Article: 101431 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Cincinnati" References: <817bc$43cedcb4$48317ba4$13131@FUSE.NET> Subject: Re: NC-300 Calibration Question Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:58:29 -0500 Message-ID: <27176$43cf7eef$48317ba4$7504@FUSE.NET> I am trying to complete a small adjustment of the main capacitor since all bands are high. I still have the question on how to adjust the oscillator coils. They all appear to be fixed coils potted on the far end. For example T9 160 M oscillator. If responding direct use: hamguy (at) fuse.net ---------------------- Ron Schuster Cincinnati, OH ---------------------- Article: 101432 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Heytubeguy" Subject: FA:100p+Atwater-Kent Service Manual+ more Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:34:09 GMT A 108 page Atwater Kent service model covering several models + other stuff too; see at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZheytubeguy Tnx for looking, heytubeguy Article: 101434 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Tom the Canuck" References: Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:26:12 -0500 "JJSomar" wrote in message news:dqoe9l$2ig$1@news.uni-paderborn.de... > Paypal Magic !!!!! Earn ?5000 within 2 weeks with ease!!!!!. > > > Read this message until the end, and you will find out how the money flows in easy !!!!. > Follow the steps and it WILL work. Trust me !!!!!. > > It's NOT illegal and it is NOT a scam !!!!!. > It's *nice* to see another sucker join the bottom of the pyramid scheme. I wonder when the structure will collapse . . . . Tom the Canuck. Article: 101435 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Fred W4JLE" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: Now this is not a scam, simply send $1.00 from your paypal to w4jle@w4jle.com. I won't do anything for you, you will get nothing in return, and if I get enough suckers to bite I will go to OUTBACK Steak House and enjoy a meal on you. At least you know this won't cost more than a dollar, you need not worry about getting screwed, I have already told you up front you are. So get your guarenteed low cost screw job today! wrote in message news:1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Tom, realize that many newsgroup readers are so young that they are not > familiar with the Ponzi scam. Otherwise they would not buy programs > that perpetuate the scheme (or scam). > > http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/ponzi/ > > Harry C. > Article: 101436 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Richard W. Solomon, W1KSZ" Subject: Re: FS Great FT-102 Station Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:56:37 GMT 200 Watts out of an FT-102 !! ?? Not for very long. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:29:40 -0600, "Charlie Hugg" wrote: >I have for sale a nice Malcomized Yaesu FT-102 Station: >1. FT-102 fully Malcomized by Malcolm Eiselman, NC4L, with little use since >work was done 8/26/03. Over $600 charge. Transceiver has AM/FM Board, > XF-455C CW Filter not installed, Handmic, Power Cable, Original Manual. >Works great, 200 watts out. Cosmetically, it is very good. It does have a >few small > scratches around front trim, but not bad. Front Panel and Cabinet are in >great condition. Also has 455 IF AM Filter installed. > All documentation from Mal included. Price is $775; >2. FV-102DM Synthesized digital VFO with Memories. Very stable. It has also >been gone over by Malcolm in Dec. 2005 and works perfectly. > Cosmetically, it is very good. It comes with original manual and all >cables. Price is $375; >3. FC-102 Antenna Tuner. In as new condition with Original Box. Works >Perfect and looks new. Meter lights work. Comes with Original Manual and > the cable for the the meter lights. Very little use. Price is$325 >Shipping from 79602 extra. Package price for all items listed is $1375. >Digital Pictures available. Thanks, Charlie Hugg, K5MBX > > Article: 101437 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Fred W4JLE" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:00:33 -0500 Message-ID: Of course, Seniors over 55 may get their guarenteed screwing fo $.90 a whopping 10% discount, again send your payment to w4jle@w4jle.com DO IT TODAY! This offer may end at any time... "GBrown" wrote in message news:XP-dnbRl__AZiE3enZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@gwi.net... > Do I get a seniors discount? > . > . > . > "Fred W4JLE" wrote in message > news:d51a1$43d01476$471d24c1$14966@ALLTEL.NET... > > Now this is not a scam, simply send $1.00 from your paypal to > > w4jle@w4jle.com. I won't do anything for you, you will get nothing in > > return, and if I get enough suckers to bite I will go to OUTBACK Steak > House > > and enjoy a meal on you. > > > > At least you know this won't cost more than a dollar, you need not worry > > about getting screwed, I have already told you up front you are. So get > your > > guarenteed low cost screw job today! > > > > wrote in message > > news:1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > > Tom, realize that many newsgroup readers are so young that they are not > > > familiar with the Ponzi scam. Otherwise they would not buy programs > > > that perpetuate the scheme (or scam). > > > > > > http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/ponzi/ > > > > > > Harry C. > > > > > > > > > Article: 101438 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "SINYpyro" <*removethis*vanquish@earthlink.net> References: Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:21:27 GMT Kill yourself? "JJSomar" wrote in message news:dqoe9l$2ig$1@news.uni-paderborn.de... > Paypal Magic !!!!! Earn ?5000 within 2 weeks with > ease!!!!!. > > > Read this message until the end, and you will find out how the money flows > in easy !!!!. > Follow the steps and it WILL work. Trust me !!!!!. > > It's NOT illegal and it is NOT a scam !!!!!. > > > The only thing you need is : - E-MAIL ACCOUNT > - PREMIER (FREE) or BUSINESS PAYPAL ACCOUNT > - ?5 on this account (The only investment) > - 30 minutes of your time > > There is no limit on how much money you can recieve, and you haven't got > anything to lose with this Business program. I will explain how it works > !!!!!. > > > Follow these 4 easy steps and it WILL work !!!!!. > > > STEP 1 : SIGN UP FOR A FREE PAYPAL ACCOUNT !!!!!. > > Paypal is a free and safe way to pay and receive money on the > Internet. > Creating a account is as easy as creating a MSN account. > Copy and paste the next line in your Internet browser and sign up. > HTTP://WWW.PAYPAL.COM > > Be sure to sign up for a FREE Premier or Business account and not > for > a Personal account. You cannot receive CREDITCARD payments with > a Personal account and we can't have that. Do we !!!!!. > > > STEP 2 : SENT ?5 TO YOUR PAYPAL ACCOUNT > > This is your only investment to receive the money with ease. > > With your Paypal account, send ?1 to each e-mailadres listed > below. > !!!!! IMPORTANT !!!!! Be sure to use this SUBJECT : *PLEASE PUT ME > ON > YOUR EMAIL LIST* when you send the money. > > 1) dexxatol@netcourrier.com > 2) armygirl8568@hotmail.com > 3) bovenpietje@hotmail.com > 4) tjoewonli@hotmail.com > 5) jjsomar@gmx.de > > > STEP 3 : PUT YOUR E-MAILADRES ON THE LIST > > After you have send ?1 to each e-mailadres, put your e-mailadres > on the > 5th place. Remove e-mailadres number 1, and move each e-mailadres > 1 > step up the ladder. !!!!! IMPORTANT !!!!! BE SURE THAT THE > E-MAILADRES > YOU USE IS THE SAME AS YOU USED TO SIGN UP AT PAYPAL. > > Remember that this is LEGAL. You are creating a service : an > e-mail > servicelist. > > > STEP 4 : UPLOAD OR COPY THIS MESSAGE TO NEWSGROUPS, FORUMS ETC > > There are 32.000 newsgroups. Upload or copy this message to at > least > 200 newsgroups or forums etc, but remember that the more your > upload > the more people will see your message and the MORE MONEY WILL FLOW > IN. > > How to upload to newsgroups and forums? : > > After you have followed step 1,2,3 and 4, save this message (and > copy > so you can use it again). Use your Internet browser and Outlook > Express > or another newsreader and try to find FORUMS, NEWSGROUPS, BULLETIN > BOARDS, DISCUSSION GROUPS, CHAT SITES and ONLINE COMMUNITIES. Use > GOOGLE or use a NEWSERVER. Use every option to post this message. > Download PostXpert to send 1 message to more NEWSGROUPS at the > same time. > > !!!!! REMEMBER !!!!! The more you post this message the more MONEY WILL > FLOW IN. > > > Why does this Business program work so well !!!!!. > > Lets asume that from the 200 (or more) messages that you have posted, only > 5 > people respond, you will have your ?5 back that you have invested. Those 5 > people will each send at least 200 messages with your e-mailadres on > number 4. > That's 5 x 5 x ?1 = ?25. The next 25 people will also send 200 messages > with > your adres on number 3. That's 25 x 5 x ?1 = ?125. The next 125 people > also send > 200 messages with your name on number 2. That's 125 x 5 x ?1 = ?625. Those > 625 > people again also send 200 messages with your name on number 1. That will > give > us a total off 625 x 5 x ?1 = ?3.125. This is only a EXAMPLE with 5 > reactions. > You WILL get MORE responses than that. > > Remember that most newsservers will leave the posted messages on there > servers > for about 2 weeks. If you will post your message again, it WILL again > start > from the beginning. So you can repeat this over and over again. > > Everyday MILLIONS of people are ONLINE and reading these messages, JUST > LIKE > YOU RIGHT NOW. I also was sceptical in the beginning and have read a lot > of > these messages. I also thought that it was bullshit. Until I thought : > What the > hell!, only ?5. What's ?5 and a couple of minutes of my time to solve my > money > problems. > > !!!!! REMEMBER !!!!! Follow every step, and IT WILL WORK, TRUST ME. !!!!! > > > > !!!!! BEST WISHES AND GOOD LUCK !!!!! > > > > > Article: 101439 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Steve Nosko" Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Regen RX? OOPS Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:44:27 -0600 Message-ID: References: I compose in Word then paste. This part didn't get pasted: I had the Knight-Kit Space Spanner and used to listen to some SSB regulars on 40 M every Saturday. > Very smooth regen control. Except for the plug-in coils requirement... > > Though I realize the feedback windings would be problematic to reproduce...I > listened to many 40M SSB QSOs on Saturday mornings with the Knight Space > Spanner. > > > Perhaps LA5KI would consent to doing some measurements on his coils... > > 73, Steve, K9DCI > > http://www.qsl.net/kb7rgg/allied/schematics/spacespanner.gif > http://www.qsl.net/kb7rgg/allied/products/radio/83y209.txt > > Pix here: > http://www.qsl.net/la5ki/org/kn/spsp.htm > It is called a Super-regen here, but I don't think it was. > > > > "Dale Parfitt" wrote in message > news:Bdeyf.1445$he.1382@trnddc03... > > Hi Group, I am entertaining building anohter regen. My first attempt, > > although pretty, was a mediocre performer- using a 3 section compactron > > tube. > > http://parelectronics.com/pics/regen2.jpg > > Design goals are: > > 1. plug in coils for band changing MW-20 MHz or so. > > 2. speaker level audio > > 3. smooth regen > > 4. prefer miniature tubes to octal. > > > > Anyone care to post their favorite schematic/ links/ thoughts? > > > > Tnx, > > > > Dale W4OP > > > > > > Article: 101440 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Steve Nosko" Subject: Re: NC-300 Calibration Question Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:50:18 -0600 Message-ID: References: <817bc$43cedcb4$48317ba4$13131@FUSE.NET> "Brian Denley" wrote in message news:V-ydnSKREdKQkFLenZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com... > Uncle Peter wrote: > > Always do a "mechanical alignment" before doing an electrical one. > > That is: check for loose couplers between the dial drives and caps, > > make sure the dial pointer physically stops at the correct points at > > the rotational stops... That the tuning capacitor plates are fully > > unmeshed or meshed at the rotational stops (or as shown by the > > manufacturer). > > > > The Trimmer caps SHOULD allow you bring the high > > end of the bands into calibration regardless of other issues... The > > low end of the band alignment is usually set by the coil slug(s). > > > > Pete > > > > > AND the coils and caps interact: if you adjust one significantly, you have > to re-adjust the other. ALSO: if you are doing this with a sig gen, make > sure you are locking onto the actual freq, not some other mixer component > (happened to me). > -- > Brian Denley > http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html > > Interaction, true. However, if I recall, adjust the low end (coils) first. The trimmers have least effect at the low end where the coils have effect everywhere. Starting like this usually means you won't have to do but this once. This is predicated on the assumption that you are starting with a radio that has been previously tuned and just needs touch-up; because the trimmer will be "close". 73, Steve, K9DCI Article: 101441 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: - exray - Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:28:05 -0400 Message-ID: <11t0847nt2gj29a@corp.supernews.com> References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Fred W4JLE wrote: > Now this is not a scam, simply send $1.00 from your paypal to > w4jle@w4jle.com. I won't do anything for you, you will get nothing in > return, and if I get enough suckers to bite I will go to OUTBACK Steak House > and enjoy a meal on you. > > At least you know this won't cost more than a dollar, you need not worry > about getting screwed, I have already told you up front you are. So get your > guarenteed low cost screw job today! Sounds like a scam to me! What if I send you a dollar and insist on medium rare and the next guy who sends a dollar wants well-done? Are you going to decide? Will you be sending our money back? Sorry, I see this as only leading to problems. I'm not falling for it. -Bill Article: 101443 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "amdx" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:41:47 -0600 Message-ID: <14990$43d04031$18d6b488$14336@KNOLOGY.NET> Most young people, after paying social security taxes for a few years, and listening to the news, ARE familiar with a Ponzi scheme. (or scam) Mike wrote in message news:1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Tom, realize that many newsgroup readers are so young that they are not > familiar with the Ponzi scam. Otherwise they would not buy programs > that perpetuate the scheme (or scam). > > http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/ponzi/ > > Harry C. > Article: 101444 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "amdx" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:49:08 -0600 Message-ID: <174c$43d041ea$18d6b488$14817@KNOLOGY.NET> > Do I get a seniors discount? > GBrown You seniors! ya had 40 years to save yer money, an now you want the youngsters to pay more so you can get a discount. hurumph Mike Article: 101445 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Cecil Moore Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <174c$43d041ea$18d6b488$14817@KNOLOGY.NET> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:06:24 GMT amdx wrote: > You seniors! ya had 40 years to save yer money, an now > you want the youngsters to pay more so you can get a discount. I won't live long enough to get back all I paid into social security plus interest. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp Article: 101446 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: - exray - Subject: Re: NC-300 Calibration Question Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:08:03 -0400 Message-ID: <11t0oh5jgb2aea7@corp.supernews.com> References: <817bc$43cedcb4$48317ba4$13131@FUSE.NET> <43D057A2.1010301@earthlink.net> Tony Angerame wrote: >> > I don't know if someone mentioned this I didn't see it but inside the > ceramic coil forms of the oscillator coils is a half turn of heavy wire > that you bend up and down within the cylinder of the form to aid or buck > inductance. Very stable good idea from National who, as I now find out, > had a much stabler almost drift free vfo with ceramic coils. (Unlike Halli) > > > Tony WA6LZH I've got a coil here...not sure where it came from...possibly an LM or BC221 freq meter that has a little internal winding on a mainspring gizmo that rotates according to temperature. Quite clever. -Bill Article: 101447 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Charles Brabham" Subject: Register your opinions at HamPoll Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:31:42 GMT HamPoll exists in order to give amateurs a chance to speak for themselves and to provide accurate, reliable polling data on a variety of issues related to the amateur radio service. You are welcome to browse the polling data we have, but we especially encourage US amateurs visiting here to register with thier callsign and vote in the HamPoll Polling Station. Whether you come to browse, to discuss or submit new polls, or to tender your vote, be sure to visit regularly as new polls are included from time to time and the poll data changes as more hams participate day to day. Stop by at: http://www.hampoll.com Charles Brabham, N5PVL HamPoll Administrator Article: 101448 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: ve3ab@personainternet.com (Earl Andrews) Subject: Technical Materials RX..cq the fellow who bought my gpr-90 at saulte ste marie. Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:10:08 GMT Message-ID: <43d10b19.627185912@news.personainternet.com> Looking for the chap who came across the US border at Sault Ste Marie MI/Ontario and bought my TMC GPR 90 Rcvr. I found what might be the missing coil/If transformer ..that was the problem with that radio. I can take a few digital photos and we could figure it out. Also..I have a manual that I came across for it as well. email me at ve3ab@rac.ca ( I can photograph the coil and send a digital picture to you). 73 Earl VE3AB Article: 101450 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "amdx" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <14990$43d04031$18d6b488$14336@KNOLOGY.NET> <1137784735.650874.68910@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:58:59 -0600 Message-ID: >still there are enough of the young guys and girls that are > ignorant of the Ponzi type scam > > Curmudgeonly yours, Harry C. > A class on consumerism ("they want to take your money") should be a required class in middle school. And don't get me started on all the bogus, weight loss products, grow tall products, second grade teacher developed common cold product, herbs that will stop diabetes and heart disease, anti hairloss products, improve your memory, shrink your prostate, grow penis, cleanse your blood, detoxify your liver, give you more energy, stop your joint pain, make you more appealing to the opposite sex, , improve your eyesight, slow the ageing process, improve your circulation, make exercise easy, prevent cancer, make your skin beautiful, health restoring magnetic shoe inserts, magnetic water enhancers. I think you got me started ;-0 And speaking of curmudgeons, Andy Rooney said " Happy birthday?--I DON'T THINK SO." Mike, I promise to enjoy my day! Bye Article: 101451 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dale Parfitt" References: Subject: Re: Regen receiver Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:09:51 GMT "Don Bowey" wrote in message news:BFF6688D.2364F%dbowey@comcast.net... >I have posted the schematic and parts list of a 50s regenerative receiver > (224 K) on a.b.s.e., which I received from Colin, K7fm, This receiver has > been discussed on boatanchors. > > It is part of a construction article, now a 4.7M pdf file, which I will > post > if there is any interest for it. The project receiver is fairly typical > of > what someone in the 50s might build as a shortwave listening receiver, or > for a beginning ham radio receiver. > > To pique your interest, the detector uses what is a modified Hartley > circuit > using an unusual selection of tube. > > In the .pdf file, there is a 5Y3 tube power supply schematic, of 50s > overkill design. > > Don > Hi Don, I am in the midst of collectinf the parts just now. I'll post the finished receiver in a couple of months. 73, Dale W4OP Article: 101452 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors Message-ID: <43D181DC.19682475@worldnet.att.net> From: "John O. Kopf" Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 References: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:35:02 GMT Just forward all of the pyramid scam messages to: FEDERAL TRADE COMISSION PYRAMID SCAM PROSECUTION A copy to the sender saying that posting this is a FEDERAL OFFENSE helps as well! :>} JK hhc314@yahoo.com wrote: > > amdx, still there are enough of the young guys and girls that are > ignorant of the Ponzi type scam and buy these worthless software > packages that annoy us all on a daily basis. SNIP Article: 101453 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dale Parfitt" References: Subject: Re: Regen receiver Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:52:29 GMT " >> > > That will be great. I think there is a better tube for the detector, but > I > haven't pulled the charts yet.... 6BA6 comes to mind. Besides, 6 Boat > Anchor > 6 sounds fitting. > > Don > >Hi Don, Colin suggested the 6BM5- pin for pin replacement. Dale Article: 101454 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Paul P" Subject: Hammarlund HX50 6DQ5 Plate choke question. Message-ID: <2ViAf.216$Jn1.30@trndny01> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:38:22 GMT Gents, I am restoring an HX50 for a friend. It appears that someone has modified L115 (wrapped around R181, 47 ohm 1w) by altering the amount of turns in two ways. 1) Inspection of the solder ends where the inductor (L115) is soldered to the resistor's lead wire appears to have been changed. Extra overlapping wire, as though someone shortened the total length of the inductor's wire, has been adjusted and soldered to the resistor's lead wires. 2) Solder blobs have been placed on the inductor as to short out two of the turns. Please see pictures at the bottom of page: http://www.ppinyot.com/hammarlund.htm. Sorry for the fuzzy blow ups. I do not have a close up Macro lens available at this time. Can someone tell me the proper quantity of turns the inductor L115 should have, wrapped around R181, 47ohm 1w resistor? And/or send me a picture of an operational unit? It would be a big help to have this worked out before +700v, alignment and calibration. Thanks, Paul kb3lzp. Article: 101455 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Tom the Canuck" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <174c$43d041ea$18d6b488$14817@KNOLOGY.NET> <1137785765.969348.81760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:27:41 -0500 "GBrown" wrote in message news:Q42dnVY9e9WoJkzeRVn-ug@gwi.net... > And, how do you know that they didn't pay into the system. Was it the color > of there skin, there facial features, or did you have an inside scoop? What > makes you think there not citizens? Part of the problem is jumping to > conclusions. > I do understand your point and it does happen but to just blurt out > statements that mite be false, well............... > > -- > > wrote in message > news:1137785765.969348.81760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Same here Cecil. > > > > The young kids don't have a clue about Social Security, because it > > isn't important to them at their time in life, nor was it for me when I > > was 25. None of us ever thought that we would live to see 65, hence it > > was just like income tax, something that you simply had to pay. Wow there GBrown, Don't blast Harry C. He has a point. Up here in the great white north known as Canada, I have seen deadbeats claim Social Insurance. They do nothing to contribte to society, they just wait for 'check day' to pay the rent, and blow the rest on beer and drugs only to be broke in a day or two until the next month*. My taxes go towards paying them. Is that right? I think not. Is it the same in the states? If one day I need to do the same, rest assured it will NOT be wasted on beer and drugs. I have paid into this for many years. I would just want something back from all the $$$ I had deducted from my pay should I ever need it. Tom the Canuck. * Do they eat food? Utilities? I do not know and do not want to.. What they do for the rest of the month is beyond me. Article: 101456 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Tom the Canuck" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <14990$43d04031$18d6b488$14336@KNOLOGY.NET> <1137784735.650874.68910@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <43D181DC.19682475@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:45:58 -0500 "John O. Kopf" wrote in message news:43D181DC.19682475@worldnet.att.net... > Just forward all of the pyramid scam messages to: > FEDERAL TRADE COMISSION PYRAMID SCAM PROSECUTION > > A copy to the sender saying that posting this is a FEDERAL OFFENSE helps > as well! :>} > > JK > > Hey John, I like your post. Good idea. What about those telemarketing companies that sell worthless products from Canada to the US? There is a telemarketing company in the building where I worked. Being a smoker, I got to know a few of the frequently replaced telemarketing sales staff. The company in question sells a 'directory' of businesses in the states. While smoking, I asked one of the sales people what the product they were selling was good for. The reply was toilet paper. I would tend to agree. I believe there were several complaints to the attorney general of a particular state(s) and I had a smile on my face when the local police raided their place of business. Too bad they were back up and running the very next week. How can we stop these assholes? It puts a bad name on Canada. I feel ashamed that they can operate freely here. Tom the Canuck. Article: 101457 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Tom the Canuck" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <174c$43d041ea$18d6b488$14817@KNOLOGY.NET> <1137785765.969348.81760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1137822271.315866.144350@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Message-ID: <22kAf.22374$xk1.621232@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:56:12 -0500 Harry C, For what it is worth, I stand behind you 100%. I hope you do not close your borders to your northern neighbours. Read my post just above yours. Tom the Canuck. wrote in message news:1137822271.315866.144350@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > GBrown, the fact that they couldn't speak fluent English may have > prejudiced my conclusion. It isn't very clear to me why the Social > Security offices need interpreters. After all, anyone who has been in > this country sufficiently long to seek Social Security benefits should > at least be conversant in English, since that is the language that is > spoken here. > > When you see many people who appear to be under the age of 30 and > cannot speak fluent English seeking SSI benefits, the red flag should > go up for everyone. Where is the Green Card? Damn, what was wrong with > the Ellis Island immigration procedure, and why did the US eliminate > it? At that time your entry into the US was judged on your health, > skills, and ability to provide for yourself and your family in the > United States. During that era, no one came to the US for a free lunch, > unlike today. > > Realize that unless we secure our borders and return to the strict > immigation policies of circa 1910, the US will become a human dumping > ground for misfits from the balance of the world, and constructive > citizens will no longer be able to support it and flee to other nations > who, for the above reasons, close there borders to other than those > that can contribute significantly to their country -- and for good > reason. > > I am pissed off because some of those "new arrivals" are immediately > able to collect larger benefits from Social Security than I who have > been paying into the system for more than 50 years! Yet, we wonder why > Social Security is about to go bankrup! Dhuh!!!! > > Sorry for the curmugenous attitude, but the pot of US money has > limitations, and I believe that it should first be utilized for the > benefit of US Citizens who have contiributed to the system for many > decades, and not be wasted on on freeloaders who have obviously never > made any contribution to the system. > > Curmudgeonly yours, Harry C. > Article: 101458 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Dr.Ace" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <174c$43d041ea$18d6b488$14817@KNOLOGY.NET> <1137785765.969348.81760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1137822271.315866.144350@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: <98d8f$43d1e047$4fc61f3$7169@DIALUPUSA.NET> wrote in message news:1137822271.315866.144350@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > GBrown, the fact that they couldn't speak fluent English may have > prejudiced my conclusion. It isn't very clear to me why the Social > Security offices need interpreters. After all, anyone who has been in > this country sufficiently long to seek Social Security benefits should > at least be conversant in English, since that is the language that is > spoken here. > > When you see many people who appear to be under the age of 30 and > cannot speak fluent English seeking SSI benefits, the red flag should > go up for everyone. Where is the Green Card? Damn, what was wrong with > the Ellis Island immigration procedure, and why did the US eliminate > it? At that time your entry into the US was judged on your health, > skills, and ability to provide for yourself and your family in the > United States. During that era, no one came to the US for a free lunch, > unlike today. > > Realize that unless we secure our borders and return to the strict > immigation policies of circa 1910, the US will become a human dumping > ground for misfits from the balance of the world, and constructive > citizens will no longer be able to support it and flee to other nations > who, for the above reasons, close there borders to other than those > that can contribute significantly to their country -- and for good > reason. > > I am pissed off because some of those "new arrivals" are immediately > able to collect larger benefits from Social Security than I who have > been paying into the system for more than 50 years! Yet, we wonder why > Social Security is about to go bankrup! Dhuh!!!! > > Sorry for the curmugenous attitude, but the pot of US money has > limitations, and I believe that it should first be utilized for the > benefit of US Citizens who have contiributed to the system for many > decades, and not be wasted on on freeloaders who have obviously never > made any contribution to the system. > > Curmudgeonly yours, Harry C. > Harry, I agree with you. The waves of human parasites flowing into this once great country are drowning our economy. SEE Life Long Welfare for Soon to be Citizens http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2004-07/24/article04.shtml Another situation that comes to mind was the "Lost Boys" from the Sudan. The US flew them over here paid for their housing and all other expenses. I am not against charity but charity begins at home. We have homeless, jobless, disabled Vets, etc.. that are not taken care of. Why the hell should we as a country bring or allow to enter foreigners that only desire to leach off what little fat is left of our land. May God bless the U.S.A. Ace - WH2T Article: 101459 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Tom the Canuck" References: Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:04:17 -0500 "SINYpyro" <*removethis*vanquish@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:X9Vzf.3243$vU2.2707@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Kill yourself? > Why kill yourself when you can stay alive and fight this crap. No need to resort to physical violence (I don't like the idea) but instead use our intelligence to fight back. Why not swamp the offender's inbox with e-mails. SUBJECT: "How to make a million dollars easily from your home" INSTRUCTIONS (body text): Send me $2.00 by mail and I will send you complete instructions to be rich quickly. Please include a stamped self-addressed envelope. (IMPORTANT: Get a PO Box for the address) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Your snail mail reply: "WHAT TO SEND TO SUBJECT ON PAPER (they paid for it):" SNAIL-MAIL SUBJECT: (use this for your e-mail) How to make a million dollars easily from your home What to do to start:: SEND THIS E-MAIL: Send me $2.00 and I will send you complete instructions to be rich quickly. Please include a stamped self-addressed envelope. {Insert your address here} WHAT TO DO: Mail the above paper message when you have $2 and envelope. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - This can also work if you take out a classified ad in a local news paper. There should be at least 1,000,000 morons in a large metropolis. Just send the same info but change it to say 'take out a classified ad'. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Why not sell 'solar powered cloths dryers' for $50. Ship the sucker a cloths line. Technically you are not in the wrong. It is 'solar powered' after all, unless it is a cloudy day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Give back some crap to the target who has been cross posting to various NG. I was amazed to learn I posted to rec.radio.amateur.* groups. Your replies were there as well. I may check them out, it has been a long time since I made an FM transmitter. ====================================================== {back to pyro for a moment} Just a thought, I know about the electric firing panel for pyro displays. Lots of wires and switches. Is there any need for an RF ignition system? It could cost a few more $$$ but you eliminate the long run of wires from the panel to the pyro items you want to ignite. A secure comm protocol would prevent ignition by 'outside' sources. A laptop could be added to control the timing of events.to be fired. A simple User Interface to make it moron proof. What do you guys think? Just looking for ideas. Start another thread if you like the idea. We can discuss details. I have made embedded systems for about the last 20 years. This idea is possible. ====================================================== Sorry, feeling a bit malicious tonight, (===pyro thought not included===) Tom the Canuck. P.S. $2 will NOT work in Canada. We have those $1 and $2 coins to deal with. (Maybe up the cost to $5 CDN) $50 should work out just fine. Article: 101460 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Tom the Canuck" References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <174c$43d041ea$18d6b488$14817@KNOLOGY.NET> <1137785765.969348.81760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1137822271.315866.144350@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <6dydnXcJcZzMU0zeRVn-hw@gwi.net> Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:27:18 -0500 "GBrown" wrote in message news:6dydnXcJcZzMU0zeRVn-hw@gwi.net... > Harry, I understand your point, completely. I was getting at the fact that > how are we to judge who or who isn't eligible for SSI. I worked all my life > and it wont be long before I can step up to the SSI office and sign my > forms. I wish there were a way to weed out the imposters but you have to > start home. There are people in this country, citizens, that take full > advantage of the soft hearted liberals and reap the rewards. I really don't > know if there is a good fix to and old problem. > Gary Mr. GBrown, In a sense I do not care what creed, colour, or nationality a person comes from. We are all human and live on this tiny blue marble called Earth. {yes there are assholes in every group, even yours, ignore them, I do} Let us judge by what a person does, not where they come from. Does it matter? If you contribute to our "society" (needs improvement) they are fine, if they live off the labours of others I object. Perhaps we should adopt the thinking that we are all one people on this planet. Are you going to blast me because my parents came from Estonia? (If you don't know where it is, look it up) Ignorance and prejudice are rampant on our planet. Can we not do better? What about your "equality and liberty for all" in your constitution? Did that include owning slaves from Africa? Open your eyes, see the world for what it is, embrace other ideas from other cultures and learn from them. Tunnel vision is a downfall for the existence of mankind. This is what I think, you may thing otherwise. I can not stop you from thinking the way that you do, you can not stop me from thinking my way. Tom the Canuck. Article: 101461 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: " Uncle Peter" References: <2ViAf.216$Jn1.30@trndny01> <1137826587.182482.87020@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Hammarlund HX50 6DQ5 Plate choke question. Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:19:58 -0500 It could be the choke had too much inductance on 10 meters, and the resistor showed signs over heating; or even parasitic oscillations could have caused issues with the resistor overheating. Most hams would "tinker" with the circuit in an attempt to stumble on a "cure". I'd wonder if the orignal plate chokes are still in place? Pete Article: 101471 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Brian Hill" Subject: FA: THE HAMMARLUND SP-600-JX VIDEO Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:13:50 -0600 In new condition. Viewed once. 4 hrs of maint/ restoration instruction a on two VHS tapes. This new video will offer the Hammarlund SP-600-JX owner the same quality information on how to maintain their own gear, that Collins Radio enthusiasts have come to expect! In this video, Chuck Rippel, WA4HHG, will detail how to operate, modify, restore, and align this classic receiver. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5857603628 Article: 101472 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors Message-ID: <43D38B6C.24B2290C@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <14990$43d04031$18d6b488$14336@KNOLOGY.NET> <1137784735.650874.68910@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <43D181DC.19682475@worldnet.att.net> <43D2B26F.E715A14B@worldnet.att.net> <5a773$43d2ba04$97d56b99$16471@ALLTEL.NET> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:41:36 GMT Fred W4JLE wrote: > > I always answer them really loud, then I tell them to hold on while I get my > hearing aid. Wait about 5 minutes and say hello again really loud. If they > are still there tell them the batteries are dead and to hold while you get > new batteries. Wait 5 more minutes and once again loud hello, if they are > still there cuss and say you got the wrong batteries and their not > working... > > You get the idea, totally frustrate them. I have never had one wait beyond > the initial getting the hearing aid. Sometimes I let them get all the way through their spiel, then I tell them that it really sounds great and that if I ever get well enough to go back to work, I might be able to buy it It really pisses them off. ;-) Other times I just tell them right away that I am 100% disabled, and in too much pain to put up with them. Of course, being on the national "Do not call list" stopped almost all of those irritating calls. The only problem I have is some deadbeat is, or has given out my phone number when they bought crap on credit. I keep a list of these calls and if I get a second call from a company I scream at them while demanding that they leave me alone, or I will have a lawyer on their ass for trying to collect someone else's debt from me. The only ones too stupid to listen was "Countrywide" which was some kind of mortgage or lending company who had someone different call each time, from different phone numbers. They finally left a message on my answering machine with an "800" number stating that it was an emergency, but didn't identify themselves. It was their headquarters, and I really tore into them, informing them that I had repeatedly told their phone monkeys they had the wrong phone number, that I was a 100% disabled veteran, and that I was not going to put up with even one more phone call. I laughed and told them that if I did get one, that I would call friends at a TV station to have their local office investigated by their news department for violating a lot of different laws, and that I was going to turn over my hand written logs of all of their calls, along with their misleading telephone message. I asked what they thought that would do to their business in the area, just before I hung up my phone. I never heard from them again. :) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 101473 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "PJ" References: Subject: Re: BC-348R Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:37:56 GMT http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/military-kg7bz/bc348/ "general4d.net" wrote in message news:ze6dna7Iqez8U07enZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@pghconnect.com... > Iam in need of the tech manual for the BC-348R receiver > > Article: 101475 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "NORMAN TRIANTAFILOS" Subject: Hey Mr Bodoski... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:32:06 GMT Hey Tony u been in here lately... - My Family Website--> http://mysite.verizon.net/res868sp/thetriantafilosfamily/index.html My Amatuer Radio Website--> http://www.qsl.net/kb9ygd/index.html http://dx.qsl.net/cgi-bin/logform.cgi?kb9ygd <---Search My Logbook NORMS PLACE http://realham.blogspot.com Article: 101476 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: WD=?ISO-8859-1?B?2A==?=HCO Subject: A few from... 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Here's an updated price list: Qty. Type Web Price My Price ea. 1 2K25 $25.00 $9.50 1 3E29 (829A) $14.00 $7.00 1 5D21 $42.00 $18.00 1 705A $10.00 $5.00 3 815 $15.00 $7.00 1 826 $35.00 $12.00 2 829B $14.00 $7.00 2 832A $7.00 $3.50 1 8122 (used?) $225.00 $71.00 1 7034/4X150A $90.00 $38.00 (new in box Eimac) (3) 4-125A/4D21 $95.00 ea. $44.00 ea. (2 Eimac, 1 GE) I can't test most of these, but I guarantee no DOA tubes or I'll refund the purchase price. Don't like the price? Make me a reasonable offer! Drop me a note if you can use any of these, thanks. Jim McShane Need Tubes? Got a H-K Citation (Pre) Amp? Check http://pages.prodigy.net/jimmcshane Repro knobs for Citation gear in stock! Article: 101478 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: Clough-Brengle model 87 transmitter, DONE Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:11:16 GMT It was a lazy Sunday around here so I got to spend some time in the display room putting the finishing touches on the model 87 transmitter. I just updated the web page with photos, http://radioheaven.homestead.com/CB87.html Many thanks to all that helped with this project. I'm really proud of how it turned out. Let me know what you think. Several of us are going to do an antique radio display at the upcoming Charlotte Ham Fest, you might get to see it there, and at the Charlotte Conference in March. It feels really good to have this project done, now I can clean up the display room again. 73, Ron Article: 101479 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: - exray - Subject: Re: Clough-Brengle model 87 transmitter, DONE Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:19:38 -0400 Message-ID: <11t888s99iagc57@corp.supernews.com> References: Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > > I'm really proud of how it turned out. > Let me know what you think. > > > It feels really good to have this project done, > now I can clean up the display room again. > > 73, Ron > > Nice rig! -Bill Article: 101480 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Brian Hill" References: Subject: Re: Clough-Brengle model 87 transmitter, DONE Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:22:51 -0600 " Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:EaVAf.26933$iQ.7668@tornado.southeast.rr.com... > It was a lazy Sunday around here so I got to spend some time > in the display room putting the finishing touches on the > model 87 transmitter. I just updated the web page with photos, > > http://radioheaven.homestead.com/CB87.html > > Many thanks to all that helped with this project. > > I'm really proud of how it turned out. > Let me know what you think. > > Several of us are going to do an antique radio display at the upcoming > Charlotte Ham Fest, you might get to see it there, and > at the Charlotte Conference in March. > > It feels really good to have this project done, > now I can clean up the display room again. > > 73, Ron > > Looks great Ron. Thanks for sharing it. B.H. Article: 101481 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Paul P" References: <2ViAf.216$Jn1.30@trndny01> Subject: Re: Hammarlund HX50 6DQ5 Plate choke question. Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:52:10 GMT Thank you guys for the replies. The origonal plate choke is still in place and has decent DC resistance. I have removed the solder bridges with some solder wick, checked the 47 ohm reistor and it is OK. Also reserch in the ARRL 200 and 2006 books explains the use of this choke, its different configurations and how to test an amp for indication s of parasitic oscillations. Thanks for ths clues on how to resolve this problem. Your direction helped. I will report back later and let you know how the initial restoration alignment and burn in goes. Paul. Article: 101482 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Bob W7AVK Subject: FS: Yaesu Crystal Filters Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:57:26 -0800 For Sale: Optional 8 pole Crystal Side Band Filters for several of the older Yaesu rigs. New Old Stock, never installed in original boxes. XF-8.9HSN SSB Narrow 1,900 hz wide 8.9 Mhz IF XF-8.9HSW SSB Wide 2,800 hz wide 8.9 Mhz IF $43 each which includes postage inside USA. 73 Bob W7AVK Article: 101483 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Heytubeguy" Subject: FA:ATWATER KENT SERVICE MANUAL Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:00:44 GMT Just 8 hours+ let on this antique service manual: see at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZheytubeguy Tnx heytubeguy Article: 101484 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "John Strupat" Subject: Wanted: Cubic Astro parts rig or non-working unit Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:54:18 -0500 Hi, I've an incomplete rig here that needs some major parts. If you have such a beast or a non-working but complete one, please email with asking price. Tnx, John VE3PCN Article: 101485 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Antonio Vernucci" References: Subject: Re: bunch of RF type tubes Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:51:23 +0100 Message-ID: <43d533bd$0$27406$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it> --=20 ------------------------------------------------------ Antonio Vernucci, I0JX US call: K0JX 50-MHz beacon: 50.004 KHz FSK 10W 5/8 vertical antenna home page: http://www.qsl.net/i0jx e-mail: k0jx {at} amsat {dot} org ------------------------------------------------------ "Mark Oppat" ha scritto nel messaggio = news:dZidnRAhHOgCUE7eRVn-tA@comcast.com... > I dont post here, mostly over on rec.antiques.radio+phono, but thought = I'd > note here I have a bunch of RF and military type tubes on ebay, not = stuff I > normally sell for antique radios. Here is a link to one listing: >=20 > = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5856523808&rd=3D1&ss= pagename=3DSTRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=3D1 >=20 > if these dont sell , please make any offer on this or any other lot I = have > up now. I just want to clear out the piles. If you are looking for = any > industrial types (mostly minatures) send your wants now. I have many = types > like 5763, 5726, 5963, 5965, etc. mostly 5500-6200 range. >=20 > I figured this is the time of year everyone has their bench full of > projects... might as well get these tubes out and into the sets they = were > meant to serve! >=20 > Mark Oppat > Antique Audio >=20 >=20 > Article: 101486 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: ritchi50@optonline.net Subject: FS: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! Message-ID: <3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:05:46 -0500 FS: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! This has plate modulation so when you key 120 watts on AM you get about 450 Watts or so out. If you're looking for a clean 32V-3 this is it. Non smoker and it works 100 Percent!! I hardly use it. Looking for someone to pick it up locally here in Essex County NJ or you pay shipping UPS. Price: 1000.00 To read up on it, Go to: www.collinsradio.org/html/32v-3.html Reply To: ritchi50@optonline.net Article: 101487 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "YT" References: <3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:11:33 GMT >120 watts on AM you get about 450 Watts or so out. No seriously, what the F*** are you talking about??? wrote in message news:3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com... > FS: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! > This has plate modulation so when you key > 120 watts on AM you get about 450 Watts or so out. > If you're looking for a clean 32V-3 this is it. > Non smoker and it works 100 Percent!! > I hardly use it. Looking for someone to pick it up locally here in > Essex County NJ > or you pay shipping UPS. > Price: 1000.00 > > To read up on it, Go to: > www.collinsradio.org/html/32v-3.html > > > Reply To: > ritchi50@optonline.net Article: 101488 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: " Uncle Peter" References: <3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:16:38 -0500 "YT" wrote in message news:FodBf.16081$Yu.2131@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > >120 watts on AM you get about 450 Watts or so out. > > No seriously, what the F*** are you talking about??? > > > A 120 watt fully-modulated carrier has a PEP of about 480 watts. It really doesn't mean much... Pete Article: 101489 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: BEAR Subject: WANT: Heath "Indian" Seried KNOBS &/or Parts Rig... Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <11taqhtlsjdqpe0@corp.supernews.com> Hi, I'm looking for the KNOBS for Heath "Indian" series gear. You know, the Seneca, Mohawk, Apache, etc... any quantity or size, even one. Or, I'd consider a working or non working rig or accessory gear with the knobs... Thanks _-_-WBear2GCR Article: 101490 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: gataibo@webtv.net (Randy Nachtrieb) Subject: FS: Microwave Components Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:39:57 -0800 Message-ID: <19277-43D5775D-2353@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> Have available large inventory of Microwave Components @ very good prices. Circulators, Directional Couplers, Filters, Attenuators, Connectors, Cables etc. Manufacturers include: HP, General Radio, Narda, Texscan, Merrimac, Sierra, DB Products, Kay etc. Please email for details. I am located in Los Angeles. WA6GJA Article: 101491 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: gataibo@webtv.net (Randy Nachtrieb) Subject: FS: Test Equipment HP, TEK, Boonton etc. Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:35:19 -0800 Message-ID: <19277-43D57647-2352@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> Have available large inventory of test instruments @ very good prices. Spectrum & Network Analyzers, Scopes & plug-ins, Power Supplies, Receivers, Signal & Sweep Generators, Meters etc. Manufacturers include: HP, Tektronix, Boonton, Fluke, Singer, Marconi, Microtel, General Radio, Narda etc. Please email for details. I am located in Los Angeles. WA6GJA Article: 101492 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Steve Nosko" Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:45:38 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <174c$43d041ea$18d6b488$14817@KNOLOGY.NET> <1137785765.969348.81760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1137785765.969348.81760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Same here Cecil. > > ... > The problem is not for us elders, but for the younger people who will > hopefully someday reach 65. If someone is too young to worry about this, it won't be 65, but higher. If your retirement age is within 5 years, it's already 66. > Today, most of these kids don't realize is > that the fault with the Social Security system is not in its basic > design, I don't know the ratio of SS to SSI, but it's all the original ponzi scheme. Just as Curmudgeonly yours, Steve, K,9.D;C'I Article: 101493 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Steve Nosko" Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:59:41 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Tom, realize that many newsgroup readers are so young that they are not > familiar with the Ponzi scam. ... > > http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/ponzi/ > Harry C. Digressing even further...telemarketers... One evening when Wife was out doing schooling, a telemarkerter called. I knew by the blank beginning while the computer connected the next operator. Tele: "Is Mrs N. Home?" Me: (somewhat grufly) "She's not here." Tele: "Is Mr. N home?" Me: (More Grufly) "Haven't seen him in three weeks!" Tele: "Oh, then I'll call back at a more convenient time." C R A C K E D me up. How do I think of this stuff?? So far, 3/4 times I got the septic additive salesman to hang up on me... "Now, After dumping $175 of your powder down the pot, how will I know if the stuff is really working like you say...." The 4th time, I couldn't shake him...even though I finally told him I was only going on to keep him on as long as I could to keep him from bothering as many others. I had to hang up...shucks! 73, Steve, K,9.D;C'I Article: 101494 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors Message-ID: <43D5AC4F.C941345E@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: How to earn money with PAYPAL!!!! 37 References: <1137709653.497618.151660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:26:26 GMT Steve Nosko wrote: > > Digressing even further...telemarketers... > > One evening when Wife was out doing schooling, a telemarkerter called. I > knew by the blank beginning while the computer connected the next operator. > > Tele: "Is Mrs N. Home?" > > Me: (somewhat grufly) "She's not here." > > Tele: "Is Mr. N home?" > > Me: (More Grufly) "Haven't seen him in three weeks!" > > Tele: "Oh, then I'll call back at a more convenient time." > > C R A C K E D me up. > > How do I think of this stuff?? > > So far, 3/4 times I got the septic additive salesman to hang up on me... > "Now, After dumping $175 of your powder down the pot, how will I know if the > stuff is really working like you say...." The 4th time, I couldn't shake > him...even though I finally told him I was only going on to keep him on as > long as I could to keep him from bothering as many others. I had to hang > up...shucks! > > 73, Steve, K,9.D;C'I Years ago (Before Caller ID) I had the same heating and air conditioning company call me over 30 times in one week. Nothing worked with this woman. She was insistent that I just HAD to have my central air conditioning "Tuned up", even after I told her repeatedly I didn't have central air, or even a window air conditioner. Finally, I asked her how many incoming phone lines they had, then I told them that if I got one more call from them that I would contact everyone I knew to have them call and pretend to be interested in their repair services or to buy a new system, then give them fake addresses, or just keep the phone lines tied up to prevent real customers from being able to reach them. I was informed by her that it was harassment, but I just laughed and asked how they would know which calls were real, from the others. I asked why I should return the harassment I had received from her all week long. She never called me again. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 101495 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) Subject: Navy RDR receiver (RCA) Message-ID: <1331766@news1.IPSWITCHS.CMM> Date: 24 Jan 2006 07:17:14 GMT I have one of these boat anchors along with manual. On the off chance that anyone would want it, let me know before I start dividing it into pieces compatible with trash collection... Dan Lanciani ddl@danlan.*com Article: 101496 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "David J Windisch" Subject: FS: pr 813s and 1625 driver in 3-ft rack Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:12:48 GMT FS: pr 813s and 1625 driver in 3-ft rack Driver and final r-f deck are completed, 80-10M c-w, ps for final must be built: have xfmr and caps, no diodes or chassis. 5 813 tubes total available. Pix available. Sri, no part out. $200 or near offer. Shipping/insurance extra, naturally. 73, Dave, N3HE Cincinnati OH 45251 Article: 101497 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: KA6UUP Subject: FA Hallicrafters HT-1E and HT02A Village Radios Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:09:04 GMT http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5858482793 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5858492599 Thanks, Chuck Article: 101498 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Steve Nosko" Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Regen RX? Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:26:17 -0600 Message-ID: References: Very smooth regen control. Except for the plug-in coils requirement... Though I realize the feedback windings would be problematic to reproduce...I listened to many 40M SSB QSOs on Saturday mornings with the Knight Space Spanner. Perhaps LA5KI would consent to doing some measurements on his coils... 73, Steve, K9DCI http://www.qsl.net/kb7rgg/allied/schematics/spacespanner.gif http://www.qsl.net/kb7rgg/allied/products/radio/83y209.txt Pix here: http://www.qsl.net/la5ki/org/kn/spsp.htm It is called a Super-regen here, but I don't think it was. "Dale Parfitt" wrote in message news:Bdeyf.1445$he.1382@trnddc03... > Hi Group, I am entertaining building anohter regen. My first attempt, > although pretty, was a mediocre performer- using a 3 section compactron > tube. > http://parelectronics.com/pics/regen2.jpg > Design goals are: > 1. plug in coils for band changing MW-20 MHz or so. > 2. speaker level audio > 3. smooth regen > 4. prefer miniature tubes to octal. > > Anyone care to post their favorite schematic/ links/ thoughts? > > Tnx, > > Dale W4OP > > Article: 101499 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "John, N9JG" References: Subject: Re: WTB TenTec Orion Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:52:54 GMT Have you checked with TenTec? A fair number of people are trading in their Orions for the new Orion II. "Charlie Hugg" wrote in message news:HP8zf.5474$ZE.4659@dukeread11... >I am looking for a TenTec Orion in really nice shape. Please e-mail >condition, options, and price. > Thanks, Charlie Hugg, K5MBX > > -- > ________________________________ > See my Signal/One, Collins & Drake > Photo Galleries and my Hallicrafters > Virtual Museum at http://hug-a-bug.com > Article: 101500 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Straydog Subject: Re: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:39:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Uncle Peter wrote: > > "YT" wrote in message > news:FodBf.16081$Yu.2131@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... >>> 120 watts on AM you get about 450 Watts or so out. >> >> No seriously, what the F*** are you talking about??? >> >> >> > A 120 watt fully-modulated carrier has a PEP of about 480 watts. > It really doesn't mean much... > > Pete > My understanding of AM transmitter technology would estimate that a 32v3, with ~120 DC input (two 6146s, or were they still using one 4D32?) would have at most (class C, plate modulated) 70% X 120 = 80 watts of CW carrier output. 60 watts of audio on that final tube (as a non-linear high level mixer) will at best, double the _instantaneous_ (peak) input voltage, therefore power to 240 watts (plate current will _not_ double even if the plate voltage doubles on peak audio cycle [look at your tube curves again of iP vs vP at constant biases]) which you could only attempt to measure with an oscilloscope. Peak output? Could it be more than 240 x 0.7 = 168 watts? I doubt it (unless he's got something like "super-modulation" in the rig). > > > Article: 101501 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: " Uncle Peter" References: <3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! Message-ID: <6xwBf.11951$bF.2404@dukeread07> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:57:28 -0500 "Straydog" wrote in message > > My understanding of AM transmitter technology would estimate that a 32v3, > with ~120 DC input (two 6146s, or were they still using one 4D32?) would > have at most (class C, plate modulated) 70% X 120 = 80 watts of CW carrier > output. 60 watts of audio on that final tube (as a non-linear high level > mixer) will at best, double the _instantaneous_ (peak) input voltage, > therefore power to 240 watts (plate current will _not_ double even if the > plate voltage doubles on peak audio cycle [look at your tube curves again > of iP vs vP at constant biases]) which you could only attempt to measure > with an oscilloscope. Peak output? Could it be more than 240 x 0.7 = 168 > watts? I doubt it (unless he's got something like "super-modulation" in > the rig). > > Without delving into the limitations of the 32V3, according to the info >from an ARRL publication: "..since the amplitude at the peak of the upswing is twice the unmodulated amplitude, the power at this instant is four times the unmodulated, or 400 watts." Average power, on the other hand, will be 1.5 times carrier. A Class C amplifier with high level modulation should produce an instaneous PEP of 4x carrier power. Pete Article: 101502 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "YT" References: <3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com> <6xwBf.11951$bF.2404@dukeread07> Subject: Re: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! Message-ID: <95xBf.14161$H71.2724@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:36:05 GMT You guys are right both in facts and spirit. " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:6xwBf.11951$bF.2404@dukeread07... > > "Straydog" wrote in message > >> My understanding of AM transmitter technology would estimate that a 32v3, >> with ~120 DC input (two 6146s, or were they still using one 4D32?) would >> have at most (class C, plate modulated) 70% X 120 = 80 watts of CW >> carrier >> output. 60 watts of audio on that final tube (as a non-linear high level >> mixer) will at best, double the _instantaneous_ (peak) input voltage, >> therefore power to 240 watts (plate current will _not_ double even if the >> plate voltage doubles on peak audio cycle [look at your tube curves again >> of iP vs vP at constant biases]) which you could only attempt to measure >> with an oscilloscope. Peak output? Could it be more than 240 x 0.7 = 168 >> watts? I doubt it (unless he's got something like "super-modulation" in >> the rig). >> >> > Without delving into the limitations of the 32V3, according to the info > from an ARRL publication: > > "..since the amplitude at the peak of the upswing is twice the unmodulated > amplitude, the power at this instant is four times the unmodulated, or 400 > watts." > > Average power, on the other hand, will be 1.5 times carrier. A Class C > amplifier with high level modulation should produce an instaneous PEP > of 4x carrier power. > > Pete > > > > > Article: 101503 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "Richard W. Solomon, W1KSZ" Subject: ATTN: Dan/W4NTI (Clegg 99'er) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:28:23 GMT I tried to respond to your e-mail, but your ISP would not accept my e-mail. The radio and VFO are still available. 73, Dick, W1KSZ Article: 101504 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: " Uncle Peter" References: <3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com> <6xwBf.11951$bF.2404@dukeread07> <9jadt1lhkf6n6kpvd74t1bc8d7hodngtq0@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:39:56 -0500 "Gary Schafer" wrote in message news:9jadt1lhkf6n6kpvd74t1bc8d7hodngtq0@4ax.com... > > Although when advertising an AM transmitter it is common to state the > carrier power and not try to confuse people by stating the PEP power > and not stating that is what is being speced. > > 73 > Gary K4FMX > Agreed.. I was just giving an explanation of the seller's somewhat cryptic sales pitch. Pete Article: 101505 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: - exray - Subject: Re: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:54:21 -0400 Message-ID: <11tdc0tc8ebbd4c@corp.supernews.com> References: <3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com> <6xwBf.11951$bF.2404@dukeread07> <9jadt1lhkf6n6kpvd74t1bc8d7hodngtq0@4ax.com> Uncle Peter wrote: > "Gary Schafer" wrote in message > news:9jadt1lhkf6n6kpvd74t1bc8d7hodngtq0@4ax.com... > >> > Although when advertising an AM transmitter it is common to state the >>carrier power and not try to confuse people by stating the PEP power >>and not stating that is what is being speced. >> >>73 >>Gary K4FMX >> > > > Agreed.. I was just giving an explanation of the seller's somewhat > cryptic sales pitch. > > Pete > > How much would it be in P.M.P.O. watts? Coupla hundred kilowatts? :) -Bill Article: 101506 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "NORMAN TRIANTAFILOS" Subject: test Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:37:11 GMT test Article: 101507 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: "NORMAN TRIANTAFILOS" Subject: test Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:43:06 GMT test Article: 101508 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: GenRad 1390-B Date: 24 Jan 2006 21:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: Does anyone have a service manual or schematic for the GenRad 1390-B noise generator? Mine produces noise which seems very centered on 60 Hz unfortunately, and it's not the B+ filtration. Documentation would be a big help. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Article: 101509 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: - exray - Subject: Re: wazzup wit BAMA Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:30:53 -0400 Message-ID: <11tdomtsbl1rf7e@corp.supernews.com> References: <1138153798.695122.218770@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> N9NEO wrote: > Bama sites seem to be getting more and more erratic. I've always used > the edebris site because I never had any probs. Now it's nothing but > probs just like the real BAMA SBC site. > > 73 > Bob > Maybe you should increase your financial donation to help things. -BM Article: 101510 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: msix@nmia.com Subject: Re: Help:Hammerlund SP-600 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 02:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <43c3e68d$0$95989$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Steve wrote: >On the 3.45-7.4 MC band (only), received signals are somewhat >distorted. Normally, when tuning in a CW signal with the BFO on, >you'd expect an undistorted tone as you tune. On my radio, it'll >sound more like a growl. Signal strength doesn't seem to matter. For some reason some SPs have too much LO injection on one band. Try lowering the 105 Reg with a pot and see if that does it... 73 W7ZFB Article: 101511 of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors From: Straydog Subject: Re: Collins 32V-3 HF Transmitter NICE!!! Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:34:59 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3aoat1589n2cv0bgf8osbaituhaln7el1u@4ax.com> I think Gary Schafer's analysis (below) is basically correct but I have minor comments to add (in addition to my earlier post, also quoted below, claiming the 400+ peak output just could not be possible, but I think I was wrong about that). See below. On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Gary Schafer wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:07:30 -0800, Don Bowey > wrote: > >> On 1/24/06 2:31 PM, in article 9jadt1lhkf6n6kpvd74t1bc8d7hodngtq0@4ax.com, >> "Gary Schafer" wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:40:54 -0800, Don Bowey >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/24/06 12:57 PM, in article 6xwBf.11951$bF.2404@dukeread07, "Uncle >>>> Peter" wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Straydog" wrote in message > >>>>>> My understanding of AM transmitter technology would estimate that a 32v3, >>>>>> with ~120 DC input (two 6146s, or were they still using one 4D32?) would >>>>>> have at most (class C, plate modulated) 70% X 120 = 80 watts of CW carrier >>>>>> output. 60 watts of audio on that final tube (as a non-linear high level >>>>>> mixer) will at best, double the _instantaneous_ (peak) input voltage, >>>>>> therefore power to 240 watts (plate current will _not_ double even if the >>>>>> plate voltage doubles on peak audio cycle [look at your tube curves again >>>>>> of iP vs vP at constant biases]) which you could only attempt to measure >>>>>> with an oscilloscope. Peak output? Could it be more than 240 x 0.7 = 168 >>>>>> watts? I doubt it (unless he's got something like "super-modulation" in >>>>>> the rig). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Without delving into the limitations of the 32V3, according to the info >>>>> from an ARRL publication: >>>>> >>>>> "..since the amplitude at the peak of the upswing is twice the unmodulated >>>>> amplitude, the power at this instant is four times the unmodulated, or 400 >>>>> watts." >>>>> >>>>> Average power, on the other hand, will be 1.5 times carrier. A Class C >>>>> amplifier with high level modulation should produce an instaneous PEP >>>>> of 4x carrier power. >>>>> >>>>> Pete >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Getting back to basics: A 120W (input) power, class C stage, will require >>>> 60W of audio (using a high-level, e.g. plate, modulator) for 100% >>>> modulation. If we assume 85% efficiency, then the output will consist of a >>>> Carrier of 102W and two sidebands of 25.5W each. >>>> >>>> In my opinion, any other explanation is useless. Do remember that the >>>> carrier amplitude does NOT vary with modulation. >>>> >>>> Don >>> >>> >>> I don't remember the 32v3 specs but a pair of 6146B's is rated for >>> 120 watts carrier output on AM. 6146A's are rated for 100 watts output >>> on AM. >> >> My Viking had a 4D32 final and it would load to well over 100W. >> >>> >>> Assuming the 120 watts carrier output, when modulated 100% the voltage >>> doubles and the current also doubles on modulation peaks. Doubling the >>> voltage and doubling the current works out to 4 times the power. This >>> is of course Peak Envelope Power of the signal which would be 480 >>> watts. >> >> Where does the double voltage come from at 100% modulation? I can only >> account for a 50% rise in voltage. >> >>> >>> You can not just add the audio power to the carrier power to find PEP. >>> You must first add the voltages together. >> >> Good idea, if one knows the voltages...... >> >>> >>> Peak envelope power is what the FCC is concerned with for maximum >>> allowable power of 1500 watts. >>> >>> Although when advertising an AM transmitter it is common to state the >>> carrier power and not try to confuse people by stating the PEP power >>> and not stating that is what is being speced. >>> >>> 73 >>> Gary K4FMX >>> >> >> My point is that listing the PEP capability of an AM transmitter isn't as >> useful as stating it can output about 100 watts. >> >> Don > > > I agree stating PEP output of an AM transmitter does little. I also think it doesn't mean much even for an SSB signal (which is difficult to compare with AM coming from the same station) because the S-meter damping makes it difficult to measure signal strength. Also, for the power in two sidebands (only one of which is needed) and the waste in the carrier, the usual efficiency of a linear amp is about half of that for a (non-linear) AM final amp. But a > properly operating transmitter should be able to give pep at 4 times > the carrier power. I think this contradicts something you said below, and contradicts what I said in my post, above. See more below. Some transmitters do not have that capability > because of a poor modulator or too small finals, or power supply etc. > I, like Peter, was trying to dispel the somewhat misleading add of the > original poster. > > As far as the voltage doubling with modulation, you only need to look > at the output on an oscilloscope at the composite signal and you will > easily see that it does. Set the scope to show the carrier level at > say 2 divisions on the screen. With modulation you will see the > positive peaks reach 4 divisions on the scope. The negative peaks will > reach zero on the scope. Yes, and I have done this, myself and seen a carrier "band" on my scope, and when speaking into the microphone (on a Johnson Ranger), seen the high peaks go up to about double the height of the carrier and the valleys go down to about zero (below zero would take the carrier away thus leading to splatter). > Another way to look at this is when modulating the final the peak > audio voltage must equal the plate voltage for 100% modulation. In > order for the modulation to go to negative 100% the audio voltage must > cause the plate voltage to swing down to zero. By the same note in > order to reach 100% positive modulation the audio voltage must cause > the plate voltage to go to twice the dc voltage. Yes, but none of this explains where the "4X pep" statement comes from. In fact, even at the instantaneous double the plate voltage, there is no plate current increase. The (non-linear) tube is not a (linear) resistor where you double the voltage accross the resistor and cause the current to double, thus a quadrupling of power. Look at the curves in your tube manuals for any given control (triodes if no other grids are present) or screen grid (tetrodes or pentodes) bias. Above some threshold plate voltage the plate current is independent of plate voltage. Plate current is only affected by grid voltages. > It may seem confusing because if you add the average output power up a > 100 watt transmitter is only 150 watts. 100 watts carrier and 25 watts > in each side band. I think this is right. However if you add the voltage of the carrier plus > the voltage of each audio side band and then calculate the power you > will see that it is 4 times the carrier power. I don't think this is quite right and, after thinking about all of this, part of the reason I already gave above is also not quite right. Here is another way I think we can look at this question (see below): > 100 watts into 50 ohms = 70.7 volts > 25 watts into 50 ohms = 35.35 volts > 25 watts into 50 ohms = 35.35 volts > Total voltage = 141.4 volts (which is 2 x carrier > voltage) I think this is a bit of a mistake and it would be better to calculate peak power in the following manner: First, there is no peak output power from the carrier, the carrier is always there and at the same strength no matter if there is modulation or not. So, power contribution FROM THE CARRIER (whether modulated or not) is still only your 100 watts, period. The carrier contributes NO extra power to the peak power we're all interested in. Now, lets look at the power in the sidebands. I'll accept that 25 watts as converting to 35 volts, but that 35 volts is not added to carrier power because it is in the 2-3 kc spectrum above or below the carrier. So, use your formula below and get (35 X 35)/50 = 1225/50 = 24 watts. And, for the second (other) sideband, there will be another 24 watts. Total: 48 watts of audio translated to RF in addition to the 100 watt (constant) carrier. Thus peak power is 148 watts. Where is the conflict between my analysis and yours? Its in the way we think about modulator power output (usually stated as audio power must be about half of final DC input, thus a 120 w DC input class-C final needs about 60 watts of audio). So, when you look up, for example the specs on a pair of 6146s in modulator service (go look in the back of your ARRL handbooks, any of them) and see them talk about 110-130 watts for the pair in either AB1 or AB2! They don't tell you that is _peak_ audio power! For the same tube in class C, they are showing 50-70 watts (continuous RF) out for one tube. Not much difference in power specs per tube, but you won't get anywhere near those 110-130 watts of audio in continuous (i.e. average) power because the heat dissipation will melt the plates since class AB is much less efficient than class C. So, your example of 25 watts per sideband is more like an _average_ power specification and what we should be looking at is what is the peak audio power (or voltage) coming out of the modulator. That peak audio voltage out of the modulator has to be equal to the plate voltage and in the same direction to double the final amp plate voltage, and valley bottom audio equal to the final amp plate voltage but in the opposite direction to reduce plate voltage to zero or near zero. Final B+ voltage plus the audio peak thus shows up on the scope, transiently, as RF output voltage at double the height of carrier alone, and final B+ minus the negative audio peak, at the negative peak, causes the height of the scope trace to go, transiently, to zero. So, when THEY talk about 60 watts of audio power to modulate a 120 w DC input final amplifier, they are talking about more like 60 watts average power which really means something like 120 watts of peak power (and is in all of the tube manuals where specs for all of the amplifier classes are shown next to each other! [this is not the case for receiving tube manuals which talk about average signal output for tubes like 6L6s in classes A and maybe AB]). This gets us into the audiophiles' endless arguing about what audio power means and under what conditions and specifications (eg. the distortions) need to be made for considering peak audio power, especially in music audio (with eg. drum beat transients) rather than voice audio (more or less steady). My general feeling is that in the AM transmitter situation (and the SSB situation, too) that talking about peak power has only theoretical value and almost no practical value and is confusing. You can only measure it on a scope and S-meter readings will be subject to the damping factor in the mechanical needle, electronic fudging by so-called "peak reading" meters including the bar graph things, and any asymmetry in the voice waveform, and distortions and non-linear characteristics in the rest of the electronics. I have heard guys on the air using the same amplifier in a linear class mode who switch from AM mode to SSB mode and my S meters (on lots of receivers) show the same peak value on SSB as the steady value on AM, plus or minus maybe one or two db, at most. Guys would be best off talking about final amp measured DC input watts (continous) and/or final amp measured carrier (continuous) RF output watts and not say too much about their modulator power unless they have a scope on the instantaneous modulator output voltage and current and can actually make a real, valid, representative measurement of both peak and average power and be able to say "Oh, my actual, real, measured-on-a-scope instantaneous peak whatever is X plus or minus Z accuracy." Now, how about peak power input to your 100 watt incandescent light bulb at home? Remember your house AC line voltage (117 VAC) is measured and speced as RMS (root mean square), so peak voltage is 1.41 X 117, peak current is 1.41 x 1 amp, and peak power is thus 1.41 X 1.41 X 100 watts? About 200 watts? Is that meaningful? No, because it isn't. Think DC and why RMS specs are always used for AC circuits and VOM voltmeter scales. Thanks for your attention, sorry to be long-winded. Art, W4PON > P= E squared / R > > 141.4 x 141.4 = 19994 > 19994 / 40 = 400 watts > > 73 > Gary K4FMX > >