Possible -- but I would have been inclined to take NUN here as meaning
"only just now": "you just now heard the blasphemy": i.e. they don't need
witnesses because the accused has just repeated his crime in full view of
the court. =) If this were true, the aorist would have normal rather than
perfective force. But maybe that's hair splitting.
>
>Roma 11:31 outws kai outoi *nun* *hpeiqhsan* tw umeterw eleei, ina kai autoi
>(*nun*) *elehqwsin*.
>Roma 11:31 (NASU) so these also now have been disobedient, that because of
>the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.
>
>The current state: having been disobedient (and being capable of receiving
>mercy)
>
>The second example of an aorist here, ELEHQWSIN, is passive subjunctive, not
>indicative, but it is very interesting because of its parallelism to the
>first aorist (especially if the second NUN is accepted as genuine), and
>because it is almost impossible to give it a past referent.
Here I would agree that the aorist seems to have perfect meaning when taken
with NUN.
What interests me about the subjunctive that follows is that, in classical
Greek, I would have taken the subjunctive as illustrating Smyth's point
about primary aorists and secondary aorists. In classical Greek a purpose
clause after a primary tense (including true perfects) requires the
subjunctive and is traslated "may": "They have been disobedient in order
that they *may* be shown mercy." A purpose clause after a secondary tense
(including, normally, the aorist) however normally requires the optative
and is translated "might": "They were disobedient in order that they
*might* be shown mercy." So in theory, in classical Greek, when an aorist
is followed by primary sequence, using the subjunctive, you can immediately
tell that that the aorist is being used with primary meaning, for instance
with a perfect sense ("they have disobeyed"). BTW I think this is why
Smyth's discussion of "primary" and "secondary" aorists is actually quite
helpful.
Alas, with the virtual disappearance of the optative in Koine, the absence
of the optative probably can't be used to determine whether or not an
aorist is being used with a primary sense...
It has been an endless day and I ran out of energy before I could absorb
your other examples! More later, perhaps.
Probably way out of my depth with all this aspect theory, but fascinated
nonetheless,
Sara
Sara R. Johnson
Visiting Assistant Professor
Department of Religion and Classics
University of Rochester
srjo@uhura.cc.rochester.edu