RE: OUK ESTIN SOU ANHR again

Clayton Bartholomew (c.s.bartholomew@worldnet.att.net)
Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:55:30 +0000

Mark Obrien wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
These seems sensible to me... but also seems to contradict your
earlier point that "the form of the statement: OUK ESTIN SOU ANHR
is the semantically unmarked way of indicating possession." My
immediate thought (prompting my question) was that OUK ESTIN
ANHR SOU is actually the regular ("unmarked"?) way of indicating
possession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>.

I am willing and eager to hear from the word order statisticians on
this one. What I am suggesting is that the difference in the order of
words between:

OUK ESTIN SOU ANHR (John 4:18)
OUK ESTIN ANHR SOU

does not amount to anything. Even if one word order were to be
found statistically more probable than the other by a significant
margin (say 3 to 1), the word order found in John 4:18 is
sufficiently common that it is a non issue for exegesis. I dont think
we can safely attribute prominence to a word unless we have more
data to go on than we do in this example.

Another issue that must be taken into consideration when
establishing prominence or emphasis on a word is the *authors*
personal style. I looked through the 32 occurrences of SOU in JOHN
where SOU is used as a possessive and found 6 occurrences(1) of
the word order found in 4:18 and 26 occurrences of the other word
order. This is better than a 4 to 1 ratio, pretty impressive, no?

But before you jump to rash conclusions based on the numbers,
take a look at Jesus prayer in chapter 17. In 17:6 we have SOU TO
ONOMA but in 17: 26 we have TO ONOMA SOU. Now ask yourself, do
you see a distinction in this context between the prominence of
the idea of ownership in 17:6 over 17:26? I dont think so. I think the
semantic significance of the word order difference in 17:6 and
17:26 is nil.

Well it is time to go do 4th of July.

Clay Bartholomew
Three Tree Point

(1) The six occurrences are in 4:18, 9:10, 9:17, 12:28, 17:1, 17:6. A
proper test would have included the plural personal pronoun but
this test is sufficient for purposes of illustration.