Jonathan Robie wrote: > > At 10:55 PM 10/18/97 EDT, Paul S. Dixon wrote: > > >Yes, but if we broaden it a bit, I think the difficulty with the > >ingressive aorist becomes more evident. John says he saw TAS YUCAS ... > >KAI EZHSAN KAI BASILEUSAN META TOU CRISTOU CILIA ETH. Just how is it > >that these YUCAS come alive? If we take YUCAS as "souls" (so most [all?] > >translations), then how is it that these souls, which are certainly > >already alive, come to life? > > I do not know that these souls "are certainly already alive". Look at Rev > 20:5: hOI LOIPOI TWN NEKRWN OUK EZHSAN ACRI TELESQHi TA CILIA ETH. The rest > of them did not "come to life" until the thousand years were finished, and > this group includes Christians. Before the thousand years were finished, > they did not live. > > I don't know what souls do between the time of death and the final > resurrection, but the structure of Rev 20:4-5 is KAI EZHSAN..CILIA ETH / hOI > LOIPOI TWN NEKRWN OUK EZHSAN ACRI TELESQHi TA CILIA ETH. It must be clear > that the second group was not alive before this, so I can see no reason to > object to the possibility that the first group wasn't either, and that > EZHSAN means the same thing both times. There seems to be a notion that the > souls wait until their resurrection. > > Jonathan > > *************************************************************************** > Jonathan Robie jwrobie@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~jwrobie > POET Software, 3207 Gibson Road, Durham, N.C., 27703 http://www.poet.com > ***************************************************************************
Jonathan:
I've been following this thread with a great deal of interest. Two
observations may be helpful. It appears to me that NEKROS in the Book
of Revelation refers to a dead body at least in Chapter 1 in reference
to Jesus. Rev. 1:18. Of course it could later refer to a church as well
or is that a dead body(metaphorical) as well? But even more helpful in
our discussion of Rev. 20:4-5 is Bullinger's comments in his Figures of
Speech volume that the use of YUCAS in chapter 6 and 20 is an example of
synecdoche of the part where souls=persons who were martyred.
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