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b-greek-digest Tuesday, 9 January 1996 Volume 01 : Number 071
In this issue:
Re: Translating
Greek Concordance
GRAMCORD Greek NT for Windows Technical Bulletin
FW: SATOR etc.
RE:Translating
RE:Translating
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From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:40:55 -0600
Subject: Re: Translating
At 11:03 PM 1/7/96, Charles W. Bradley wrote:
>>What "they are teaching in seminaries these days" is the need >to try to
>examine the available evidence without prejudice to try >to let the evidence
>lead us to conclusions rather than let our >conclusions reinterpret the
>evidence.
>
>Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one
>teach you again which [be] the first
>principles of the oracles of God;
>
>Heb 11: 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of
>things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a
>good report. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the
>word of God, so that things which are seen
>were not made of things which do appear.
I'm wondering whether this is really meant to argue that critical
methodology should NOT be taught in the seminaries. I hope not. While
reasoning may raise problems for faith, I don't see much that seminaries
can teach if they abandon reasoning altogether.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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From: Eric Weiss <eweiss@acf.dhhs.gov>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 9:53:49 EST
Subject: Greek Concordance
The recent requests for Aland's Computer Concordance prompted this response:
Kohlenberger's Complete Greek Concordance to the New Testament has just been
published (I saw it at Dallas Seminary Bookstore the first week of December).
It is handier and less expensive ($50.00 retail) than Aland's Computer
Concordance, of which I have a copy in near-perfect condition (other than the
previous owner's name stamp), plus it also includes NA/UBS variants in its
listings, not just the NA-26 text as Aland's does, and its quotations include
accent marks.
So: Is there any reason any more to buy Aland's concordance now that
Kohlenberger's is in print? (Also: Should I hang onto my Aland Computer
Concordance or try to sell it at a loss to a used bookstore--or to someone on
this list--and use what I get for it to buy Kohlenberger's?) Are there
possible typo errors in Kohlenberger's that would warrant waiting to purchase
it until its second or third printing?
Since I'm not currently subscribed to b-greek (we have e-mail glut problems,
so I read the messages at the Web archive site), please cc: me copies of any
replies you make to this message. Thanks!
eweiss@acf.dhhs.gov
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From: "Paul A. Miller" <pmiller@gramcord.org>
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 13:35:02 -0800
Subject: GRAMCORD Greek NT for Windows Technical Bulletin
Now that the GRAMCORD Greek New Testament for Windows is shipping, we have
prepared a Technical Bulletin to assist with various installation and
configuration issues. (For example, some "sub-versions" of Windows 95 need
"manual" selection of the fonts.)
Since many B-Greek participants are GRAMCORD users -- and the severe snow
storm on the east coast has delayed the mailing of the technical bulletin
from our shipping source -- I just wanted to provide immediate notice that a
GRAMCORD FOR WINDOWS TECHNICAL BULLETIN is available by email request. Just
drop me an email at pMiller@GRAMCORD.org with the subject field: "send tech
bulletin" (or something similar).
The bulletin may spare some of you installation/configuration time. (Even if
your shipment is still en route -- our shipper is still working through a
mountain of orders -- please request the email Technical Bulletin for use
during installation and do contact me if you have additional questions.
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Prof. Paul A. Miller (Email: pmiller@GRAMCORD.org)
The GRAMCORD Institute
2218 NE Brookview Dr., Vancouver, WA 98686, U.S.A.
Voice (360)576-3000; FAX (503)761-0626; Homepage: http://www.GRAMCORD.org
Computer-Assisted Biblical Language Research (IBM & MAC)
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Prof. Paul A. Miller (Email: pmiller@GRAMCORD.org)
The GRAMCORD Institute
2218 NE Brookview Dr., Vancouver, WA 98686, U.S.A.
Voice (360)576-3000; FAX (503)761-0626; Homepage: http://www.GRAMCORD.org
Computer-Assisted Biblical Language Research (IBM & MAC)
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From: Karl_Schulte-CKS005@email.mot.com
Date: 8 Jan 96 16:37:53 -0600
Subject: FW: SATOR etc.
To: b-greek@virginia.edu
From: Schulte-CKS005 Karl on Mon, Jan 8, 1996 4:26 PM
Subject: FW: SATOR etc.
Filoi mou,
As good ol' Kurt Aland is mentioned, and the list seems interested, here's
one more response on the ROTAS topic.
Best Wishes,
Karl
Motorola Schaumburg
Any opinion, etc. mine, not theirs, etc. etc.
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To: BYZANS-L@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU@INTERNET
From: BYZANS-L@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU@INTERNET on Mon, Jan 8, 1996 2:24 PM
Subject: SATOR etc.
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Comments: To: classics@u.washington.edu
Dear list-members,
I said before the weekend that I'd check a couple of databases on this=20
subject of inquiry. I can now give a few results, for those interested.
The _Gnomon bibliographische Datenbank_ yields the folowing relevant or=
=20
possibly relevant titles:
Kepartov=E1, Jana -- "Rotas opera - neue Funde und Theorien", _Listy=20
filologick=E9_ 114 (1991), 88-92.
Guarducci, M. -- "Il misterioso AREPO", _Miscellanea etrusca e italica in=
=20
onore di Massimo Pallotino_ (_Archeologia classica_ 4) (Roma:=20
=BBL'Erma=AB di Bretschneider, 1991), 589-596.
Pfeiffer, Herbert -- "Bemerkungen zur Form des Satorquadrats", _Gymnasium_=
=20
93 (1986), 370-372.
Browne, Gerald M. -- "Arepotenet =3D Harpocrates", _Zeitschrift f=FCr
Papyrologie und Epigraphik_ 52 (1983), 60.
Marcovich, Miroslav -- "Sator Arepo =3D Georgos Harpon (Knoufi), Harpos,=20
Arpo(cra), Harpo(crates)", _Zeitschrift f=FCr Papyrologie und Epigraphik_=
50=20
(1983), 155-171.
Hofmann, Heinz -- "Satorquadrat", Pauly _Realencyclop=E4die der classischen
Altertumswissenschaft_, Supplementband XV (1978), 477-565.
Hofmann, Heinz -- Rez. Moeller, Walter O., _The Mithraic Origin and=20
Meanings of the ROTAS-SATOR Square_ (1973), in _Gnomon_ 48 (1976), 89-91.
Ferguson, John -- Rez. Moeller, W.O., _The Mithraic Origin and Meanings=20
of the Rotas-Sator Square_ (_Etudes pr=E9liminaires aux religions orienta=
les
dans l'empire romain_ 38.) (Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1973), in JRS 64 (1974),=
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242.
Hofmann, H. -- "Zum Rotas-Opera-Quadrat von Aquincum", _Zeitschrift f=FCr=
=20
Papyrologie und Epigraphik_ 13 (1974), 79-83.=20
Griffiths, J.Gwyn -- "'Arepo' in the Magic 'Sator' Square", _The Classical=
=20
Review_ 85 (1971), 6-8. =20
Hommel, H. -- "Satorformel", _Lexikon der Alten Welt_ (Z=FCrich und=20
Stuttgart, 1965), 2705.
From the _Database of Classical Bibliography_ we can add the following:
Dinkler, E. -- "Miscellanea archeologiae christianae", _Theologische=20
Rundschau_ 46 (1981), 219-236.
Alves Dias, M. M. -- "Peque=B1as notas de histyria antiga e epigrafia",=20
_Conimbriga_ 24 (1985), 85-95.
Four further reviews of Moeller.
Bader, Richard Ernst -- "Sator arepo. Magie in der Volksmedizin", _Medizin-
historisches Journal_ 22 (1987), 115-134.
_Religion Indexes_ give further:
Aland, Kurt -- "Noch einmal: der ROTAS/SATOR-Rebus", in _Text and=20
testimony: essays on New Testament and apocryphal literature in honour of
A.F.J. Klijn (Kampen, Netherlands: J H Kok, 1988), 9-23.
Baines, William -- "The Rotas-Sator Square: a new investigation", _New=20
Testament Studies_ 33 (1987), 469-476.
Alcock, Anthony -- "A Coptic magical text", _Bulletin of the American=20
Society of Papyrologists_ 19 (1982), 97-103.
Guarducci, Margherita -- "Dal gioco letterale alla crittografia mistica",=
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_ANRW_, Principat 16/2, 1736-1773.
Aland, Kurt -- "Der Rotas-Sator-Rebus: seine Diskussion in der Korresponden=
z
Franz Cumont-Hans Lietzmann und in der Zeit danach", in _Corona=20
gratiarum: miscellanea Patristica II_, by A. Verheul et al (Brugge: Sint=
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Pietersabdij; The Hague: Nijhoff, 1975), 285-343.
I didn't have the time to look any further.
-- L. Hunsucker
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From: "Charles W. Bradley" <74034.676@compuserve.com>
Date: 08 Jan 96 22:36:31 EST
Subject: RE:Translating
>I'm wondering whether this is really meant to argue that critical
>methodology should NOT be taught in the seminaries. I hope >not. While
reasoning may raise problems for faith, I don't see >much that seminaries
>can teach if they abandon reasoning altogether.
I did not mean to imply a tension between faith and reason or rationality in
posting the verses from Hebrews. "...the term faith is restricted to the assent
to those truths which rest upon the direct testimony of God alone, objectively
revealed in the Scriptures, as discerned through spiritual illumination.."
[.A.A. Hodge].
Charles Bradley
Hopewell Presbyterian Church
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From: Will Wagers <wagers@computek.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:45:45 -0600
Subject: RE:Translating
Charles Bradley writes:
>I did not mean to imply a tension between faith and reason or rationality in
>posting the verses from Hebrews. "...the term faith is restricted to the
>assent
>to those truths which rest upon the direct testimony of God alone, objectively
>revealed in the Scriptures, as discerned through spiritual illumination.."
>[.A.A. Hodge].
This is a very convoluted sense of "direct". Normally, direct testimony would be
from the hand or mouth of the individual, not as told to or as discerned by so-
and-so, which is called hearsay.
And, I would say that there had better be a tension: it is the only way to
maintain an equilibrium.
Regards,
Will
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