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b-greek-digest Friday, 19 January 1996 Volume 01 : Number 082
In this issue:
Tenses and Grammatical Structures
Re: Tenses and Grammatical Structures
Re: Liddell and Scott
Liddell and Scott
Qualitative QEOS in John
Re: Liddell and Scott
Re: Liddell and Scott
Re: Liddell and Scott
Re: hINATI' in Didache 5
IEph inscr help please
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From: J.D.F.=van=Halsema%BW_KG%TheoFilos@esau.th.vu.nl
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 11:38:08 MET
Subject: Tenses and Grammatical Structures
One of my collegues at the Vrije Universiteit is studying the relationship
between tenses/moods and grammatical structures/syntax in Old Testament
Hebrew.
She asked me whether I know of this kind of study done in the field of New
Testament Greek. As I do not know of any such work (I am more of an 'Umwelt-
man'), I forward this question to the forum of B-GREEK.
Any reply is welcome,
Erik
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Erik van Halsema |Research Assistant Vrije Universiteit
j.d.f.van_halsema@esau.th.vu.nl |Faculty of Theology
jdfvh@dds.nl |De Boelelaan 1105, 1081 HV Amsterdam, NL
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negat quis: nego; ait: aio.
(Terentius, Eunuchus II.2.21; Cicero, De Amicitia XXV.93)
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From: Rod Decker <rdecker@inf.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:08:50 -0600
Subject: Re: Tenses and Grammatical Structures
Erik van Halsema asked:
>One of my collegues at the Vrije Universiteit is studying the relationship
>between tenses/moods and grammatical structures/syntax in Old Testament
>Hebrew.
>She asked me whether I know of this kind of study done in the field of New
>Testament Greek. As I do not know of any such work (I am more of an 'Umwelt=
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>man'), I forward this question to the forum of B-GREEK.
>Any reply is welcome,
> Erik
=46irst, Vincent DeCaan (Univ. of Toronto) has done a lot of work on aspect
in the OT. In addition, here is a brief bibliography of some relevant
material re. aspect. The most helpful are the works by Fanning and Porter,
and Porter is one of the few that explicitly considers the link between
aspect and syntax. (I have not seen all of these yet.)
Armstrong, D. "The Ancient Greek Aorist as the Aspect of Countable Action."
Syntax and Semantics 14: Tense and Aspect. Ed. P. Tedeschi and A. Zaenen.
New York: Academic, 1981: 1-11.
Bache, C. "Aspect and Aktionsart: Towards a Semantic Distinction." Journal
of Linguistics 18 (1982) 57-72.
Comrie, B. Aspect: An Introduction to the Study of Verbal Aspect and
Related Problems. Cambridge Textbooks in Linguistics. Cambridge: UP, 1976.
Comrie, B. Tense. Cambridge Textbooks in Linguistics. Cambridge: UP, 1985.
Delancey, S. "Aspect, Transitivity and Viewpoint." Tense-Aspect: Between
Semantics and Pragmatics. Ed. P. J. Hopper. Amsterdam: Benjamin, 1982:
167-83.
Durie, D. Greek Grammar: A Concise Grammar of NT Greek. Canberra,
Australia: privately printed, 1981.
=46anning, Buist M. Verbal Aspect in New Testament Greek. Oxford: Clarendon
Press, 1990.
=46rance, R.T. "The Exegesis of Greek Tenses in the NT." Notes on Translatio=
n
46 (1972) 3-12.
Goodspeed, E.J. "A New Glimpse of Greek Tense-Movements in NT Times."
American Journal of Theology 10 (1906) 102-03.
Hirtle, W.H. Time, Aspect and the Verb. Cahiers de psychom=E9chanique du
langage. Qu=E9bec: Les presses de l"Universite Laval, 1975.
Johnson, M.R. "A Unified Temporal Theory of Tense and Aspect." Syntax and
Semantics 14: Tense and Aspect. Ed. P.J. Tedeschi and A. Zaenen. New York:
Academic, 1981: 145-75.
McKay, K. L. "Syntax in Exegesis." Tyndale Bulletin 23 (1972): 39-57.
McKay, K. L. A New Syntax of the Verb in NT Greek: An Aspectual Approach.
Studies in Biblical Greek, vol. 5. New York: Peter Lang, 1994.
Porter, Stanley E. "Keeping up with Recent Studies: 17. Greek Language and
Linguistics." Expository Times 103 (1991-92): 202-07.
Porter, Stanley E. "Studying Ancient Languages from a Modern Linguistic
Perspective: Essential Terms and Terminology." Filolog=EDa Neotestamentaria =
2
(1989): 147-72.
Porter, Stanley E. Verbal Aspect in the Greek of the New Testament, with
Reference to Tense and Mood. New York: Peter Lang, 1993.
Silva, Mois=E9s. "Review of Verbal Aspect in New Testament Greek by Buist
=46anning and Verbal Aspect in the Greek New Testament: With Reference to
Tense and Mood by Stanley E. Porter." Westminster Theological Journal 54
(1992): 179-83.
Szemerenyi, O. "The Origin of Aspect in the Indo-European Languages."
Glotta 65 (1987) 1-18.
Szemerenyi, O. "Unorthodox Views of Tense and Aspect." Archivum
Linguisticum 17 (1969) 161-71.
Voelz, J. W. "Present and Aorist Verbal Aspect: A New Proposal."
Neotestamentica 27 (1993): 153-64.
Rod
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Rodney J. Decker Calvary Theological Seminary
Asst. Prof./NT 15800 Calvary Rd.
rdecker@inf.net Kansas City, Missouri 64147
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From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:59:41 -0600
Subject: Re: Liddell and Scott
At 5:03 AM 1/18/96, GLENN WOODEN wrote:
>I have heard that a new edition of Liddell and Scott is available, or
>soon to be available. Oxford Canada (at least the person with whom I
>spoke) knows nothing about it. Can anyone enlighten me on the
>accuracy of this report?
Others no doubt will also chime in, but the news is worth sharing. This is
"Ninth edition w/ revised supplement"--supplement edited by P.G.W. Glare,
slated for publication in March 96, to sell for $125.00 but discounted in
pre-publication offer to $100.00. ISBN: 864226-1. The supplement is also
available separately, also March 96, $65.00, discounted to $52.00 pre-pub.
ISBN: 864223-7.
You can call in an order at 1-800-451-7556 (9-5 EST). They may ask you for
a catalog code#, as this offer was meant, I believe, for members of
professional associations or on special mailing lists in Classics and
Religious Studies. You may be able to get by telling them that you've lost
the catalog.
As a sideline, I might note that I got my order in a couple weeks ago and
got in the mail two days ago a huge shrink-wrap mailer with a tiny little
"white sale catalog" of the Oxford Companion series, for the mailing of
which I was billed $2.50 on my credit card! It won't take many such
mailings to eat up the savings on the lexicon!
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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From: GLENN WOODEN <glenn.wooden@acadiau.ca>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:03:02 AST4ADT
Subject: Liddell and Scott
I have heard that a new edition of Liddell and Scott is available, or
soon to be available. Oxford Canada (at least the person with whom I
spoke) knows nothing about it. Can anyone enlighten me on the
accuracy of this report?
Glenn Wooden
Acadia Divinity College
Wolfville N.S.
Canada
wooden@acadiau.ca
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From: Stephen Carlson <scc@reston.icl.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:31:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Qualitative QEOS in John
I understand that anarthrous nouns in Greek can be used qualitatively,
but I'm having a hard time finding examples of a qualitative QEOS being
used in John (for now, I wish to avoid the question of Jn1:1).
Is Jn1:12 (TEKNA QEOU -- "children of God") such an example?
Or, what about v13 (hOI OUK EC hAIMATWN ... ALL EK QEOU EGENNHQHSAN --
"who were born not of blood ... but of God")?
BAGD was not helpful.
Stephen Carlson
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Stephen Carlson : Poetry speaks of aspirations, : ICL, Inc.
scc@reston.icl.com : and songs chant the words. : 11490 Commerce Park Dr.
(703) 648-3330 : Shujing 2:35 : Reston, VA 22091 USA
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From: Bernard Taylor <btaylor@polaris.lasierra.edu>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:40:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Liddell and Scott
On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, GLENN WOODEN wrote:
> I have heard that a new edition of Liddell and Scott is available, or
> soon to be available. Oxford Canada (at least the person with whom I
> spoke) knows nothing about it. Can anyone enlighten me on the
> accuracy of this report?
Glenn,
I attended a number of meetings and served on committees in lexicography,
etc. at SBL in Nov. (including a lunch with Don Kraus from OUP, who I
expect would have mentioned it if it were so), and no one mentioned such a
possibility. I do know that a new BAGD is due out shortly (at press?),
but no LSJ to my knowledge.
Regards,
Bernard Taylor
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From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:05:42 -0600
Subject: Re: Liddell and Scott
I sent this reply to Glenn Wooden out this morning, but it hasn't come
back, so I'm wondering whether it made it to the list at all. My apologies
if it did.
To: GLENN WOODEN <glenn.wooden@acadiau.ca>
From: cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu (Carl W. Conrad)
Subject: Re: Liddell and Scott
Cc: B-Greek@virginia.edu
Bcc:
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At 5:03 AM 1/18/96, GLENN WOODEN wrote:
>I have heard that a new edition of Liddell and Scott is available, or
>soon to be available. Oxford Canada (at least the person with whom I
>spoke) knows nothing about it. Can anyone enlighten me on the
>accuracy of this report?
Others no doubt will also chime in, but the news is worth sharing. This is
"Ninth edition w/ revised supplement"--supplement edited by P.G.W. Glare,
slated for publication in March 96, to sell for $125.00 but discounted in
pre-publication offer to $100.00. ISBN: 864226-1. The supplement is also
available separately, also March 96, $65.00, discounted to $52.00 pre-pub.
ISBN: 864223-7.
You can call in an order at 1-800-451-7556 (9-5 EST). They may ask you for
a catalog code#, as this offer was meant, I believe, for members of
professional associations or on special mailing lists in Classics and
Religious Studies. You may be able to get by telling them that you've lost
the catalog.
As a sideline, I might note that I got my order in a couple weeks ago and
got in the mail two days ago a huge shrink-wrap mailer with a tiny little
"white sale catalog" of the Oxford Companion series, for the mailing of
which I was billed $2.50 on my credit card! It won't take many such
mailings to eat up the savings on the lexicon!
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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From: Will Wagers <wagers@computek.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:36:23 -0600
Subject: Re: Liddell and Scott
If you don't have one of the promotional catalogs, here's the ordering
info for: A Greek-English Lexicon, Ninth Ed., Liddell and Scott, with
revised supplement edited by P.G.W. Glare:
0. Oxford Orders Tel. No.: 1-800-451-7556 (9-5 EST)
1. ISBN No.: 864226-1
2. Promotion No.: H284-1 (Religion Catalogue)
3. Your credit card no. and exp. date.
Will
(P.S. Carl W. Conrad, the $2.50 on your credit card is probably shipping
on your order, or say they say.)
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From: "Edgar M. Krentz" <emkrentz@mcs.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:48:30 -0600
Subject: Re: hINATI' in Didache 5
Ken wrote,inter alia:
>I do think the Greek of the Didache is interesting. In working
>throught he first five chapters, I've noticed a huge number of words
>which either do not occur in the NT or do not occur in secular Greek or
>both. There are somepalces where the only other known occurence is in
>the Apostolic Constitutions, quoting the Didache! Furthermore, while
>I generlaly think the Didache in this portion at least says lots of
>right-on stuff (except for the bit about bringing a gift for the ransom
>of your sins), for the most part it does not seem in these chapters to
>be distinctly Christian particularly. It talks about virtues and vices,
>but does not root them, as Paul or Peter or James do in their writings,
>with who believers are in Christ very much. Paul seems unable to write
>very many lines without mentioning Christ or Christ Jesus, etc. The
>Didache shows no such tendency. ALso, I've noticed what seems to me to
>be a trend of omitting the definite article with a clearly substantive
>participle. I don't think, though I don't have statistics for it, that
>this is a common NT Greek practice. So it seems to me that even though
>the Didache in this section at least quotes the Sermon on the MOunt
>(wihtout saying so), **overall it does not seem that the author was
>interested in imitating NT style, vocabulary or syntax.** (my asterisks)
Why should he be? Do you restrict yourself to the vocabulary of the NT when
you address a topic?
>
> Then again, I found the small amount of translation I've done this
>last weekend in the Martyrdom of Polycarp to not seem much like NT Greek
>either. In fact, MP is some of the hardest Greek I've ever worked on,
>Hebrews included.
>
Ken, I want to add just one or two comments to what Carl Conrad wrote on this.
It seems from what you wrote above that you assume (1) that "New Testament
Greek" is of a piece, that is, does not vary from author to author, and (2)
that it should become the standard for Greek prose subsequent to it. [That
view of NT Greek is one of the problems I find in Porter's work.]
Both assumptions are, IMHO, wrong, if you in fact hold them. The Greek of
Hebrews, Acts, and 1 Peter is much more literary than that of Mark or John.
One would not suspect they had any secondary education in Greek--as you
might of Paul, _auctor ad Hebraeos- and 1 Peter's writer. 2 Peter "smells
of the lamp," to cite someone or other I read years ago. The NT itself,
therefore, does not set a single Greek standard. And, as Carl pointed out,
early Christian writers after the NT did not try to replicate the Greek of
the NT; they rather wrote as they had been educated to write. If you move
from the Apostolic Fathers to the early apologists, you will find that
Justin Martyr, Tatian, and the like write a much more elevated style, use a
more recondite vocabulary, and come closer to the literary standards set by
the rhetoric of the Second Sophistic.
I was surprised by your evaluation of the difficulty of MPol. It uses some
vocabulary that does not occur in the NT, but its sentence structure is
really relatively simple.
The "two ways" teaching of ethics did not originate with the Didache. By
the time the Didache was written it was a topos in ethics (both Jewish and
Greco-Roman). In general, there is little originality in the virtue and
vice lists in NT writers, or in the topics they take up in their
_Haustafeln_. See the works of Wayne Meeks and Abraham Malherbe and their
students.
I was surprised by your comment that James roots virtues and vices in
Christ, since there are only two direct references to him in James (1:1 and
2:1). Luther was so struck by this that he felt James was written by a
non-Christian Jewish author, into whose text some Christian rather
awkwardly inserted the two references to Christ.
Maybe your posting and the respsonses could lead us to discuss in more
detail what we regard as the stylistic and grammatical characteristics of
different NT and patristic writers. It would be interesting to compare them
with Epictetus or Musonius Rufus, or some of Plutarch's treatises ("On
Inoffensive Self-Priase" or his "Advice to a Young Married Couple"). James
never mentions the death and resurrection of Jesus. He operates with some
very hellenistic motifs ("wheel of generation"), while citing the Sermon on
the Mount in much the same fashion as the Didache does.
And if you really want to read more difficult Greek from the fathers, try
St. Basil "On Greek Literature" or Eusebius "Church History." I remember
when Fred Danker and I read that together; LSJM was at our elbows a lot!
John Chrysostom's sermons are a bit easier, but will make the Apostolic
Fathers seem simple.
Have you thought of getting a group of NT graduate students together to
read such texts together? Or get Robert H. Smith of Pacific Lutheran to
read them with you? That could be a lot of fun.
You do introduce some interesting and provocative items. :-) Thanks for that.
Peace,Ed Krentz
Edgar Krentz, New Testament
Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
1100 E. 55th Street
Chicago, IL 60615
Tel: 312-256-0752; FAX: 312-256.0782
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From: Kenneth Litwak <kenneth@sybase.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:21:25 +0800
Subject: IEph inscr help please
I have looked through all the resources I have (GTU's library is on
short hours in January and I can't get there) and made several educated
guesses for what to look up iin BAGD, but I still can't seem to figuure out
what (HNWMENH in IEph inscr. comes from. I looked under ANO- words,
and ENO- words and ANW- words, etc. etc. Can someone please tell me
what this is from? Go ahead and reply off-line. I doubt anyone else cares that
I'm having parsing problems. ems.
I would reply briefly to Edgar Krentz's note to me and say that I don't think
that all NT Greek is the same. There's clearly a difference between
1 John and 1 Peter. What I waas trying to suggest was that 1) The Postolic
Fathers use Greek which to me is harder relatively; and 2) one might
have expected the AP wwriters to try to follow NT styles just as NT writers
seemm to have been influenced by the LXX. I know that's ageneralization so it's
probably flase, but you know what I mean. I have heard many sermons
in my time (7 days til 40 -- yikes) and many of them have been heavily
colored by biblical terminology and idioms. One can debate the merits of
that culturally, but I would have expected the AP wwriters to follow
the NT writers, especially if the Ap writers came from communities which
received NT writings. Don't you think that if your Christian faith was
built arouund Paul's preaching and 1-4 Corinthians (the real 1-4, not
the pseudepigrapha) that if you wrrote a summary of the Christian faith
it might sound Pauline (you know, like Prisicilla did when writing hebrews,
according to one book I have seen)?
Ken Litwak
GTu
Bezerkley, CA
kenneth@sybase.com
P.S.,
Well Robert Smith won't be teaching it, but Joel Green will be
teaching an Adv. Greek course a year from now on Hellenistic
Historians. Sounds really interesting but the Greek will
doubtless be a real killer.
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