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b-greek-digest V1 #85
b-greek-digest Monday, 22 January 1996 Volume 01 : Number 085
In this issue:
Amazing FREE Offer
FREE Offer--Plot Thickens
[none]
Re: acCordance for the Mac
Re: Carsten Thiede on Papyrus 64
[none]
Identifying grammatical meaning of cases
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From: Kelly McGrew <kmcgrew@halcyon.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:32:01 -1200
Subject: Amazing FREE Offer
Can the list owner filter that busy student's address so that she can't get
through. I am sick and tired of her incessent pleas to us.
Kelly McGrew
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"The world is preserved for mercy's sake." Rashi, on Pirkei Avot 1.
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kmcgrew@halcyon.com
Olympia, Washington, USA
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From: Kelly McGrew <kmcgrew@halcyon.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:45:13 -1200
Subject: FREE Offer--Plot Thickens
So I send a message to Sandee Loring, telling her what I think, you know,
and guess whats I gets back? This is the mail header:
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:30:42 -0500 (EST)
From: MAILER-DAEMON@uunet.uu.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: dx.com.np: host not found)
To: <kmcgrew@halcyon.com>
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
The original message was received at Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:30:39 -0500 (EST)
from nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]
----- The following addresses have delivery notifications -----
<sandee@dx.com.np> (unrecoverable error)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 <sandee@dx.com.np>... Host unknown (Name server: dx.com.np: host not found)
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So--see--I figures that this "Sandee Loring" is a fig-newton of somebody's
'magination. It's really the fax guy who's dummied up a return address he
knows don't exist, then tries to sucker folkses into subscribing, see. And
I'll bet when those "nice young girls" call, theys gets your VISA number,
record the call, tell you the subscriptions is noncancelledable ("at this
great savings" no doubt), then hose your card for several months.
Anyone in NYC got an autodialer they can set to bang on that fax number?
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From: Kevin Paszalek <pkevinp@soho.ios.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:03:19 -0500
Subject: [none]
Edgar M. Krentz (I think) wrote:
>I hasten to add that good computer Bible-study programs do even more for
>you, e.g. acCordance for Mac and comparable programs for Windows.
I have never heard of acCordance for Mac and I thought I was pretty
current. Can you tell me who publishes it?
I have really enjoyed dipping into the discussions here. Thanks
Kevin Paszalek
Sr. Pastor
Southway Community Church
Houston, TX
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From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:55:37 -0600
Subject: Re: acCordance for the Mac
At 10:03 AM 1/21/96, Kevin Paszalek wrote:
>Edgar M. Krentz (I think) wrote:
>>I hasten to add that good computer Bible-study programs do even more for
>>you, e.g. acCordance for Mac and comparable programs for Windows.
>
>I have never heard of acCordance for Mac and I thought I was pretty
>current. Can you tell me who publishes it?
>I have really enjoyed dipping into the discussions here. Thanks
Point your web browser at:
http://www.gramcord.org/mac.htm
for the full details.
And you're welcome.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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From: Nichael Lynn Cramer <nichael@sover.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:52:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Carsten Thiede on Papyrus 64
At 4:59 PM 19/01/96, Edgar M. Krentz wrote:
>There was some discussion of Thiede's views some time ago on B-GREEK. If
>people are still interested in the toipic, they might enjoy reading the
>brief, but excellent discussion in Graham Stanton, _Gospel Truth? New
>Light on Jesus & the Gospels_. Valley Forge: Trinity Press International,
>1995.
>
>Incidentally, the dust jacket has an excellent color photograph of the thee
>Magdelin College fragments, difficult to obtain elsewhere.
Another "easy-to-access" (but obviously shorter) discussion of this topic
is an article by Stanton that occurs in the current (Dec 1995) issue of
Bible Review.
The article also contains a very good color photgraph of the three fragments.
Nichael | "Just because it didn't happen |
nichael@sover.net | don't mean it ain't true." |
http://www.sover.net/~nichael | -Yogi Berra [paraphrasing Mircea Eliade] |
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From: terrydeb@ix.netcom.com
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:34:41 -0800
Subject: [none]
UNSUBSCRIBE B-GREEK terrydeb
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From: Kenneth Litwak <kenneth@sybase.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:35:59 +0800
Subject: Identifying grammatical meaning of cases
I've been prepping for my doctoral Greek exam, which includes
questions like "What kind of genitive appears in the construction?",
or so I'm told. In reading through grammars I have, I'm confronted with
multiple, disparrate systems of identification, and I'm unsure as to which
one to use, i.e., which one is more likely to be recognized as
"standard" or at least known to most NT scholars. On the one hand,,
there's a pretty minimalist set of choices discussed in Porter's Idiom
book. In the middle I think is Dana and Mantey, which I first leraned
this stuff from, and then on the other end it seems, though I've only
owned it about a day, is Brooks and Winbery which seems to mzke many fine
distinctions about what a given case grammaticalizes.
I'm certainly not ty
rying to critique the latter. I did after all buy it on purpose.
Still, I don't know which of these systems or perhaps that of BDF or whoemever
to use. I'd hate to miss a question by referring to a dative of advantage if the
examiner has never heard of that.
While I'm on the subject of cases, I'd appreciate thoughts on what type
of genitive is co-heirw of XRISTOU? The definition I got from BAGD doesn't
include the word "with" which usually occurs in English translations.
Thanks in advance.
Ken Litwak
GTU
Bezerkely, CA
P.S.,
Just to keep email to a minimum, can someone tell me when it is generally
thought that EPISKOPOS and PRESBUTEROS take on technical meanings?
I don't think they have it in the NT, but they seem clearly to have it in
Ignatius to the Ephesians, for example.
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End of b-greek-digest V1 #85
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