From: Carl W. Conrad (cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu)
Date: Wed Nov 11 1998 - 20:32:35 EST
At 7:13 PM -0600 11/11/98, Lemuel G. Abarte wrote:
>Carl,
>
>This is interesting and I did notice this in BAGD. But looking at this, I
>seem to notice that the cosmological viewpoint in the lexicon using the
>word "creation" has a Christian presupposition. Don't you think Paul
>argued from a technical perspective?
>
>Would you think this will clarify the meaning of PRWTOTOKOS PASHS KTISEWS
>in Colossians 1:15? It seems that the previous thread was barking at the
>wrong tree.
>
Judging from the way that Philo has the whole analogy constructed in DE
OPIFICIO MUNDI, I rather suspect that Christianity takes it from
Hellenistic (and Greek-speaking) Judaism. Although I haven't the evidence
to prove it, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes straight from Alexandrian
Judaism--or perhaps it is common goods of Diaspora Greek-speaking Judaism.
Why not?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Carl W. Conrad [SMTP:cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 10:48 PM
>To: Biblical Greek
>Cc: b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu
>Subject: Re: KTISIS
>
>I think this may be of sufficient interest to the list that I am forwarding
>my response there.
>
>At 12:19 AM -0800 11/11/98, Byron P. Knutson wrote:
>>Carl:
>>
>>I was hesitant to post this question because of the recent problem with
>>PRWTOTOKOS.
>>
>>My question is related only in that in looking at Col. 1:15 I noticed that
>>in 1 Pet. 2:13 KTISIS is used of a governmental authority. Is this word
>>used in this way outside of the Bible?
>
>Yes, it is. And I think it's interesting to note the etymological elements
>at play here: KTIZW and its cognates seem to have been used originally and
>most fundamentally of the process of establishing a colony and its
>fundamental sacral and administrative structures, beginning back in the 7th
>century period in which colonies were being sent out in great numbers by
>mainland Greek as far as the Crimea on the Black Sea, the Orontes in Syria,
>the Nile valley in Egypt, the coast of North Africa, and even the French
>Riviera. Applied to the process of world-creation this is a metaphor. There
>is in fact a fascinating passage at the very beginning of Philo's treatise
>on Genesis 1-3 (DE OPIFICIO MUNDI) wherein he lays out a grand analogy of
>the establishment of a new city such as Alexandria and the creation of the
>world and legislating for it.
>
>KTISIS is therefore a political term in origin, and only by metaphorical
>extension does it become a cosmological term.
>
>Carl W. Conrad
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