From: Thomas J Logan (caltom@gate.net)
Date: Thu Dec 24 1998 - 10:28:34 EST
Hi Carlton
Thanks for the reply. You are correct in that ACRI in Rev 20:5 is a
conjunction. I had neglected to examine the tags and had assumed it was a
preposition. It is not too difficult however to find a commentary which would
see an implication that the rest of the dead do come to life after the 1000
yrs. The UBS translators commentary would be typical.
Revelation 20:5
[The rest of the dead ... were ended]: only after the one thousand years do
all the other dead people, Christians and non-Christians, come back to life.
This bit of information interrupts the narrative, which is why TEV places it
within parentheses. This is intended to make clear to the reader that the rest
of the verse is linked directly to verse 4. One may also translate "All the
other people who had died ...."
(from UBS Translator Handbook Series)
perhaps however the comment is motivated by the theology of the translators
and/or the translation of EZHSAN
You make mention of the ingressive aorist of the NAS version. By this I
understand you to mean the translation "come to life" of the NAS. This
demonstrates a coming into life while the ASV's "lived not" just notes the fact
of living. The KJV's lived not again carries the same thought of entering into
life from death. Nevertheless I believe you are correct that an implication
that the rest of the dead do come to life after the thousand year is not
necessitated. Thanks
Tom
.
Carlton Winbery wrote:
> Thomas J. Logan wrote;
> >My question concerns the meaning of ACRI in Rev 20:5
> >
> >OI LOIPOI; TWN NEKRWN OUK EZHSAN ACRI TELESQH TA CILIA ETH.
> >
> >
> >5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years
> >were completed. nas
> >
> >The english preposition "until" as well as the translation seems to
> >imply the rest of the dead do live after the 1000 years are over. As I
> >look in the lexicons however this implication does not seem to be
> >present. Does ACRI carry with it an implication or not.
> >
> >5 The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be
> >finished. asv
> >
> >the implication does not appear in the ASV
> >
> I really do not see such an implication even in the nas, but the Greek
> ACRI(S) is used sometimes as a preposition [with gen. case] sometimes as a
> conjunction. In Rev 20:5 as a conjunction it indicates the terminus ad quem
> introducing a clause with the aor. subj. indicating the "to the time that."
> The NAS translation sees the aorist as ingressive, "they did not come to
> life again until." That indicates to me the idea that they did come to life
> after TELESQH TA CILIA ETH. Its easy to get the words into English
> equivalents, but the meaning of the whole vision is much debated.
>
> Carlton L. Winbery
> Fogleman Professor of Religion
> Louisiana College
> Pineville, LA 71359
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