From: Bill Combs (wcombs@dbts.edu)
Date: Wed Dec 23 1998 - 08:37:41 EST
Dale wrote:
>From: "Biblical Greek digest" <b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>To: "b-greek digest recipients" <b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>Subject: b-greek digest: December 22, 1998
>Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998, 12:00 AM
>
>I've been a little busy here lately (end of the semester, etc), and so I
>missed this one the first time around (was made aware of its existence by a
>post today by Randy Leedy). Carl is correct that the GRAMCORD database
>follows BAGD in these types of purely morphological decisions--thus, one
>set of "misguided souls" following another... (-:
>
>I think we had this discussion on this specific point some time back, so a
>fuller explanation would be in the archives. If one looks at the BAGD
>entry, one will find:
>
>MIMNHSKOMAI 1 aor. EMNHSQHN; 1 fut. MNHSQHSOMAI, etc.
>
>In other words, this verb only occurs with "passive" (viz., "-QH-") forms
>when these can be distinguished from the middle form (only in the Aorist
>and the Future). Thus any form of this word should be tagged as passive
>(ie., passive deponent) and not middle deponent. The supposition (not
>GRAMCORD's, but BAGD's) is that since the clearly distinguishable middle
>form never occurs, this form is always passive, even when its not
>distinguishable (ie., in the Pres, Impf, Pf).
>
>Also, I agree with Carl that the whole idea of "deponency" has been taken
>WAY to far in application to Greek verbs, and look forward to him
>completing his work on this issue. And while I didn't personally do the
>original tagging of GRAMCORD 25+ years ago, I have checked all of these
>verb entries in the past several years to make sure that they do conform to
>BAGD in these matters. In the process I decided NOT to introduce a
>"deponent" tag into the database at the morphological level, since on a
>purely morphological base the verb form is either middle or passive IN FORM
>(and with rare exceptions one can tell exactly which one by the procedure
>outlined above). If I ever put a "deponent" tag into the GRAMCORD database
>it will be as a secondary, alternate, "used as" tag (eg., Nominative used
>as a Vocative).
>
>Well, we could continue this, but...
>
>XAIREIN...
Thank you, Dale, for this info. I would only add that BAGD's policy can be
somewhat confusing, especially to some students since, at MIMNHSKOMAI, BAGD
has two broad classifications: 1. reflexive; and 2. pass. 1 Cor 11:2 is
placed under the reflexive category, but, of course, GRAMCORD lists it as
passive. This appears to be a contradiction to the new student.
Bill Combs
Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary
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