From: John Oaklands (j_m_oaklands@yahoo.com.au)
Date: Sun May 09 1999 - 21:17:26 EDT
Thank you Carl for this enlightening and challenging material. I like
your reference to parallel structures here. I was also interested in
your understanding of EDWKEN as to giving life. I found the parallel
with v. 27 also meaningful. I agree with you about keeping out of the
theological ramifications. I want to give your reply some more thought
yet of course. However, how do you arrive at "condemn" for KRINW?
Should we see any difference between KRISIS and KRIMA?
John
--- "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
> At 4:10 PM -0700 5/8/99, John Oaklands wrote:
> >Hi
> >
> >How is EDWKEN understood in John 5:26? Does this
> refer to the
> >incarnation as of John 1:4 EN AUTWi ZWH HN or, as
> some have even
> >suggested, to the resurrection? How does EDWKEN
> make sense in hte
> >light of John 1:4? I even have trouble with the
> translation
> >*granted*--does any one else?
>
> There's more than one question here; I'm hoping I
> can leave aside the
> hermeneutical one and concentrate on the grammatical
> one--it just may
> possibly be that the hermeneutical question will
> fall into place when the
> grammatical question is resolved.
>
> hWSPER GAR hO PATHR ECEI ZWHN EN hEAUTWi,
> hOUTWS KAI TWi hUIWi EDWKEN ZWHN ECEIN EN
> hEAUTWi.
>
> My understanding is that ZWHN ECEIN EN hEAUTWi in
> the consecutive clause is
> functioning as an articular infinitive (without the
> article), i.e. as a
> substantive implicitly in the accusative and
> functioning, as a whole, as
> the direct object of EDWKEN.
>
> Now the question is "What does it mean 'to have life
> within oneself.' While
> it COULD mean no more than "to be alive," yet that
> hardly seems worth
> enunciating. Now the context in John 5 is the power
> of the Son of Man to be
> the judge of humanity, and perhaps KRINW here means
> "condemn." In fact,
> consider how 5:27 is parallel to 5:26
>
> KAIAUTWi EDWKEN EXOUSIAN KRISIN POIEIN
> hOTI hUIOS ANQRWPOU ESTIN.
>
> I would understand the phrases EXOUSIAN KRISIN
> POIEIN and ZWHN ECEIN EN
> hEAUTWi as parallel to each other and to refer to
> the two kinds of
> authority exercised by the Son of Man: to give new
> life and to condemn. The
> new life comes to those who welcome and give heed to
> the Son of Man,
> alternatively the condemnation comes to those reject
> the Son of Man and
> fail to heed his commandment.
>
> I think that ZWHN ECEIN EN hEAUTWi means "to have
> the power of making
> alive." I don't want to go into a lengthy discourse
> on the theology of
> John's gospel, which does not belong in this forum
> and would very likely
> provoke considerable discussion in its own right;
> rather I simply call
> attention to the passages elsewhere in John that
> seem to me consistent with
> this way of understanding that phrase: Jn 1:10-12
> and Jn 20:21-22 where the
> risen Christ gives the Spirit to the assembled
> disciples as described in
> the verb ENEFUSHSEN which deliberately echoes, I
> believe the LXX verb in
> Genesis 2:7 describing the giving of life to Adam.
> Of course here Jesus,
> with the gift of the Spirit, is simultaneously
> bestowing new life upon the
> disciples AND empowering them to exercise judgment
> also (20:23).
>
> To summarize, I don't think that EDWKEN ZWHN ECEIN
> refers to the
> incarnation as such but rather to the power and
> authority to give new life:
> that is a power and authority that the Father
> possesses and which he
> bestowed (EDWKEN) on the Son.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University
> Summer: 1647 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC
> 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu
> WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
>
===
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