From: peterg45@excite.com
Date: Mon Jan 10 2000 - 23:26:24 EST
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:00:04 -0500, Biblical Greek wrote:
> Biblical Greek Digest for Sunday, January 09, 2000.
>
> 1. Yahweh added to OT?
> 2. RE: Yahweh added to OT?
> 3. please help
> 4. LOUTRON
> 5. OFF-LIST RESPONSES ONLY: Yahweh added to OT?
> 6. thanks, Dr. Carl
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Yahweh added to OT?
> From: "Grant" <grant@cajun.net>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:22:39 -0600
> X-Message-Number: 1
>
> B-Greek,
>
> I recently met a man who claims that he is a Jew and that the name
> Jehovah was added to the scriptures. Sounds like an oxymoron--a Jew that
> doesn' believe in YHWH/tetragrammaton? Now, on B-Greek, whether we
> agree/disagree on the name in the NT (good example a few days ago), it
seems
> that there is almost a complete consensus that the name was in the OT.
(But
> please do not focus on that comment)
>
> Now this question may sound somewhat bizarre but I learned that it is
best
> to give a reply to someone's claim than to automatically label it
"wrong."
>
> Is there some scholars that hold this belief that the Name was added to
the
> OT? I am uncertain of his argument but from what I can recall, he said
that
> when a certain king invaded the southern kingdom of Israel, this
alteration
> of the scrolls occurred. Additionally, he said that a certain list of
> something (names?) do not match up and it "proves" his theory.
> I know that I sound extremely vague, but has anyone ever come across such
> reasoning?
>
> Any comments would be appreciated. I think that this pertains to
B-Greek,
> but I apologize if this is a digression. I know no other source for a
> refute to his "scholarly opinion."
>
> Sincerely,
> grant polle
> usa
Grant
Jehovah was "added"--kind of. Original Hebrew was written only with
consonants, and God's personal name, transliterated into English, was YHWH.
Because of the commandment which prohibited "taking God's name in vain", the
Hebrews would not pronounce YHWH, but would, as they read the Scriptures,
substitue the word for "Lord", Adonai. When the Jews did develop a vowel
(point) system, the vowels for "Adonai" were superimposed on the consonants
of YHWH. In the translation of the Revised Version, the translators chose to
combine the consonants of YHWH with the vowels of Adonai, and came up with a
word that didn't really exist--Jehovah. YHWH, the personal name of God in
the Old Testament has existed since Moses--"Who shall I say sent me?" Tell
them, "I am who I am" sent you (Exodus 3.14 + parallels).
So, the Jewish person you talked to was correct to a point. Jehovah is a
name that really does not exist, except in combination of the consonants of
one name and the vowels of another name.
Gordon Goltz
>
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: RE: Yahweh added to OT?
> From: Mark Gibbs <GibbsM@smcsc.edu>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:50:38 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 2
>
> Again, not wanting to throw gasoline (petrol) on any fire, but I guess
> that
> the "addition" of YHVH would depend on one's presuppositions concerning
> the
> Documentary Hypothesis (which is certainly off-topic), oral tradition,
> source
> criticism and the like. Sorry to not be any help...presupposition bound
> here!
> MWG
>
>
> >===== Original Message From Grant <SMTP:grant@cajun.net> =====
> >B-Greek,
> >
> > I recently met a man who claims that he is a Jew and that the name
> >Jehovah was added to the scriptures. Sounds like an oxymoron--a Jew
> that
> >doesn' believe in YHWH/tetragrammaton? Now, on B-Greek, whether we
> >agree/disagree on the name in the NT (good example a few days ago), it
> seems
> >that there is almost a complete consensus that the name was in the OT.
> (But
> >please do not focus on that comment)
> >
> >Now this question may sound somewhat bizarre but I learned that it is
> best
> >to give a reply to someone's claim than to automatically label it
> "wrong."
> >
> >Is there some scholars that hold this belief that the Name was added to
> the
> >OT? I am uncertain of his argument but from what I can recall, he said
> that
> >when a certain king invaded the southern kingdom of Israel, this
> alteration
> >of the scrolls occurred. Additionally, he said that a certain list of
> >something (names?) do not match up and it "proves" his theory.
> >I know that I sound extremely vague, but has anyone ever come across
> such
> >reasoning?
> >
> >Any comments would be appreciated. I think that this pertains to
> B-Greek,
> >but I apologize if this is a digression. I know no other source for a
> >refute to his "scholarly opinion."
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >grant polle
> >usa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---
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>
> Subject: please help
> From: bill starkey <bstarke@ibm.net>
> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:15:30 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 3
>
> I realize it's not GREEK but I am not able to do Latin!
>
> Regarding Romans 5:12, The Jerome Commentary has this: This tradition
> found its formal conciliar expressioll in the Tridentine Decretum super
> peccato originali (Seas. V, 2-4). Echoing Canon 2 of both the i6th
> Council of Carthage (AD 418 [DB 102; DS 223]) and the 2nd Council of
> Orange (AD 529 fDB '75; DS 372]), it decreed,
>
> "Quoniam non aliter intelli-gendum est id, quod dicit Apostolus: Per
> unum homi-nem peccatum intravit in mundum, et per peccatum mors, et ita
> in omnes homines mon pertransiit, in quo onines peccaverunt, nisi
> quemadmodum Ecclesia catholica ubique diffusa semper intellexit" (DB
> 791; cf. 789; DS 1514; cf. 1512).
>
>
> Can someone please translate this for me? I would appreciate it.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: LOUTRON
> From: Theodore H Mann <thmann@juno.com>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:00:15 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 4
>
> Greetings:
>
> Would the first-century readers of Eph.5:26 have seen an allusion to
> ceremonial washings in the term LOUTRON? I was told that this term
> literally means "laver," but I have been unable to discover any
> connection at all.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ted
>
> Dr. Theodore "Ted" H. Mann
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> Subject: OFF-LIST RESPONSES ONLY: Yahweh added to OT?
> From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:13:50 -0600
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> At 6:22 PM -0600 1/9/00, Grant wrote:
> >Any comments would be appreciated. I think that this pertains to
B-Greek,
> >but I apologize if this is a digression. I know no other source for a
> >refute to his "scholarly opinion."
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >grant polle
> >usa
>
> The question raised by Grant is outside the boundaries of B-Greek;
> therefore, if anyone wishes to respond to it, send your replies directly
to
> Grant and NOT to B-Greek.
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Co-Chair, B-Greek List
> Department of Classics, Washington University
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> Subject: thanks, Dr. Carl
> From: peterg45@excite.com
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:39:38 -0800 (PST)
> X-Message-Number: 6
>
> I would like to thank Dr. Carl for his very prompt response to my
> question concerning 1 Cor. 7.26, and, it seems that he promptly responds
to
> any question that appears in b-greek, as well as keeping this vehicle
> running smoothly--Thank You, Dr. Carl.
> Now, a "help". Where do I get a "map" for the transliteration from the
> Greek alphabet to the nasty English letters? Is there no way we can get a
> Greek font set-up for this very needed tool?
>
> Gordon Goltz
>
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