From: Hultberg, Alan (alan_hultberg@peter.biola.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 17 2000 - 14:44:27 EST
<alan wrote>
> There are two options for the syntax (so also Charles, *Revelation*,
> 2:207-208). Either
>
> 1) the prepositional phrase is the compliment of ESTAI, making AUTWN
> QEOS a pendent nomintative ("God himself shall be with them--their God"
> [or "as their God"]), or
>
> 2) the prepostional phrase modifies O QEOS, and the compliment of ESTAI
> is AUTWN QEOS ("[the] God [who is] with them shall be their God" or
> "*God with them* shall be their God").
<ben wrote>
>>Dear Alan,
Your option 1(b) seems the most natural:
KAI AUTOS hO QEOS MET' AUTWN ESTAI AUTWN QEOS
and God Himself shall be with them [as] their God
Or, better English, "God Himself, their God, shall be with them".
This would agree with Leviticus 20:6-7, QHSW THN DIAQHKHN MOU EN hUMIN...
KAI ESOMAI hUMIN QEOS, KAI hUMEIS ESESQE MOU LAOS <<
<alan writes>
Ben,
Thanks for your response.
Could you please explain why it is you think that the second option is more
natural, unless it was solely because of the possible allusion to Leviticus
20, etc.?
Both options yield possible allusions: the first to Ezek 34:30 especially,
though with the more familiar covenantal refrain of "his people/their God"
behind it; the second matching the refrain more closely and so alluding most
probably to Lev 26:11-12, or more likely Ezek 37:27 or Zech 8:8.
Additionally, an allusion to Is 7:14 becomes possible with the second option.
Both options also, it seems to me, are equally (im)probable given John's
style.
But are both equally understandable Greek? That is what I'm after. Is it
your opinion that the second option is more straightforward Greek? If so,
could you explain to me why?
Thanks,
Alan
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From: Ben Crick on Sun, Jan 16, 2000 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Rev 21:3e
To: Biblical Greek
This would agree with Leviticus 20:6-7, QHSW THN DIAQHKHN MOU EN hUMIN...
KAI ESOMAI hUMIN QEOS, KAI hUMEIS ESESQE MOU LAOS;
and Jeremiah 38(31):33 ESOMAI AUTOIS EIS QEON, KAI AUTOI ESONTAI MOI
EIS LAON;
and Ezekiel 37:27 ESTAI hH KATASKHNWSIS MOU EN AUTOIS, KAI ESOMAI AUTOIS
QEOS, KAI AUTOI MOU ESONTAI LAOS;
and Zechariah 8:8 KATASKHNWSW EN MESWi IEROUSALHM, KAI ESONTAI MOI EIS
LAON, KAGW ESOMAI AUTOIS EIS QEON EN ALHQEIAi KAI EN DIKAIOSUNHi.
I picture John on Patmos without access to the Scriptures, yet hearing
this thunderous Voice summing up the above prophecies in a new prophecy
for the New Covenant, substituting LAOI (Revelation 21:3b) for the Old
Testament LAOS (singular). Thus the prophecy of Isaiah to the Servant is
to be fulfilled (Isaiah 49:6), echoed by Simeon in Luke 2:32. Not for the
children of Israel only, but for the Gentiles also.
ERRWSQE
Ben
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