From: Chris Core (jesuslover@neteze.com)
Date: Fri Sep 15 2000 - 05:29:57 EDT
I also don't know of an idiom, but if it was a common Hebrew idiom, it would fit
with the statement "Born again". The second birth is of the spirit so the birth that
precedes it must be the natural birth otherwise actual first birth is not being
counted, or else the term "born again" doesn't refer to a second birth but a third,
but I see that as doubtful and the emphasis on being born of the Spirit.
in Christ -chris
yochanan bitan wrote:
> >Someone said (with reference to John 3:5) that in Hebrew 'to be born of
> >water' was a (relatively common) idiom referring to natural birth. Could
> >someone either confirm or refute this?
> >
> >Kimmo
>
> I do not know an idiom
>
> lehivaled bemayim
> nolad bemayim
>
> or like idioms.
>
> As a minimum help I checked Even-shoshan for references of either the above
> idioms or the metaphoric use of water. Two pages of idioms with 'water' did
> not list either of the above or even a recognized separate metaphor close
> to 'birth'. The "Torah Archive" did not return anything for *nolad + *mayim
> in rabbinic literature [mishna thru yalkut shimoni]. (It can miss things,
> so this is not proof, but an indication.)
>
> On the other hand, that doesn't mean that there are no contexts where mayim
> 'water' is used in metaphorical contexts for birth. That would take a lot
> of time, and I must bow out from the search.
>
> ERRWSO
> Randall Buth
> Jerusalem
>
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