From: Carl W. Conrad (cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu)
Date: Thu Jan 11 2001 - 18:14:09 EST
At 4:56 PM -0600 1/11/01, Steven R. Lo Vullo wrote:
>On 1/11/01 5:21 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>
>>>> Phil 4: 12
>>>>
>>>> OIDA KAI TAPEINOUSQAI
>>>> OIDA KAI PERISSEUEIN
>>>> EN PANTI KAI EN PASIN MEMUHMAI
>>>> KAI CORTAZESQAI...
>>>
>>>> In verse 15:
>>>>
>>>> OIDATE DE KAI hUMEIS, FILIPPHSIOI
>>>>
>>>> The commentary says that the KAI makes hUMEIS emphatic.
>>>
>>> I believe the KAI in question is adverbial ("also" or "indeed"), modifying
>>> OIDA. It is not KAI that makes hUMEIS emphatic, but the fact that hUMEIS is
>>> used when it is already implied in the verb. So the idea would seem to be
>>> "you yourselves also know" (NASB) or "you [yourselves] indeed know" (cf.
>>> NRSV). (I realize some of the translators out there will hate this mode of
>>> expression.)
>>
>> I think rather that the adverbial KAI refers to the infinitives; adverbial
>> KAI generally precedes immediately what it refers to.
>
>Hi Carl
>
>My comments about KAI and hUMEIS had to do with their occurrences in v. 15.
>Mark typed out both v. 12 and v. 15. At first I was dumbfounded when you
>mentioned infinitives, but then I realized you were referring to v. 12. I
>realize that adverbial KAI usually precedes what it refers to, but what is
>your take on its usage in v. 15? It is designated an adverb in Accordance.
>Should it be taken with DE as meaning something like "and indeed" or "now
>indeed"?
In verse 15 I think I'd put it, per usual, with hUMEIS; He's just said, "I
know how x, y, and z; "You also--even you--know" == "You know--yes, even
you --"
Sorry I misunderstood you.
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