From: virgil newkirk (virgilsalvage1@email.msn.com)
Date: Sat Feb 03 2001 - 02:08:34 EST
On Thur. Feb 1st, 2001 at 23:20,
Moon wrote...
Dear bgreekers,
My attempt to interpret
Rom 6:14b OU GAR ESTE hUPO NOMON ALLA hUPO CARIN
raised a question about the function of
OU X ALLA Y.
The usual understanding of OU hUPO NOMON ALLA hUPO CARIN
is that "hUPO NOMON" and "hUPO CARIN" are exclusive of each other.
But does the form "OU X ALLA Y" always imply such an exclusion?
My intuition is that "ALLA Y" may be used to cancel some implication
of "OU X" which the speaker does not intend but which the hearer
might infer from "OU X".
Assuming that it is not so different from English "not X but Y",
let me consider an example:
Tom did not take the final exam, but he submitted an excellent
term paper.
Here "submit an excellent term paper" is not the direct
opposite to "not take the final exam".
As another example, consider
" Tom did not very well in his courses, but did well in math".
Are my examples different from Rom 6:14b?
Moon, hello again....you ask,
But does the form "OU X ALLA Y" always imply such an exclusion?
I would answer yes ! The main reason being...I would stress....the
genitive UMWN....however there is another indication of this mutual
exclusivity. That is....hUPO. hUPO means under...that is in subjection
to...mode of operation...according to.
Your examples I think, are not comparing apples to oranges as
does....hUPO NOMON ALLA hUPO CARIN...
Notice you say... Tom did not take the final exam, but he submitted
an excellent
term paper....Tom here is still hUPO.."according to schooling"
You then say.. As another example, consider
" Tom did not very well in his courses, but did well in math".
Are my examples different from Rom 6:14b?
I would say...yes ! The reason I would say they are different would be
this....The above examples are not working the same way as what is
happening in Rom 6:14b..First I think theOU GAR ESTE hUPO NOMON ALLA hUPO
CARIN has to have an object of accomplishment. That is....to be and have all
that is required by God as represented in the Law and the fulfillment of the
Law...agreed ?
Well for your example of Tom's schooling, let's designate an object of
accomplishment...A career that will provide his family and him income for
their everyday needs...agreed ? Now....I think an example that would be the
same as Rom 6:14b would be...Tom did not take the final exam.....the company
he had established that manufactured the new software he invented, was doing
so well, he decided that finishing his schooling was now a moot issue. Or
Tom did not do very well in his courses...but now it didn't matter...his
company, that he was only involved with on a part time basis, was now
netting him over $225,000 a year so he quit school.
hUPO in Tom's case may seal his defeat. Sounds like he may flunk out in
spite of the fact that he has some strengthts. He flunks out...gets
discouraged...gives up..finished.
Or...hUPO UMWN and the supply that comes with it....bonanza !
Virgil Newkirk
Salt Lake City,Utah
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