From: Moon-Ryul Jung (moon@saint.soongsil.ac.kr)
Date: Sun Feb 04 2001 - 08:47:44 EST
Dear bgreekers,
after I posted my message, a new thought occurred to me.
Can we parse Rom 4.1 as follows?
Rom 4:1 TI OUN? EROUMEN EUREKENAI ABRAHAM TON PROPATORA HMWN
> KATA SARKA?
We might translate it as follows:
(a)
What then? Shall we say to have found Abraham our forefather
according to flesh?
(b)
What then? Shall we say to have found Abraham to be our forefather
according to flesh?
Though (a) and (b) are not grammatical in English, they convey the
intended idea, I guess.
Are both possible? If so, which one would be better?
Moon
Moon-Ryul Jung
Sogang Univ, Seoul, Korea
> What then shall we say? [Have we] found Abraham [to be]
> our forefather according to the flesh?
>
> This translation is based on the following parsing:
> 7.7
> >
> (1)
> Hays suggested the above reading. He surveyed Paul's other uses of
> TI OUN EROUMEN, which occurs only in Romans (3.5, 6.1., 7.7,
> 8:31, 9.14, 9.30). In every case except for 8:31, this expression
> forms a complete sentence. This observation is the basis of the
> above reading. But it makes the infinite clause following
> TI OUN EROUMEN to play as a sentence. Would it be possible?
>
>
> (2) Here the point of the passage is whether Abraham is our forefather
> ACCORDING TO THE FLESH OR NOT. The fact that Abraham is our
> forefather is assumed. Here the prepositional phrase is understood
> to be adverbial. This is fine, because the article does not
> precede the phrase. A rendering "our forefather according to
> the flesh" which takes KATA SARKA as adjectival should be
> considered when the other way is not feasible. In this regard,
> the above reading seems fine.
>
> (3) The typical interpretation may be represented by the following
> rendering:
> What then shall we say Abraham to have found according to the flesh?
>
> It makes TI the object of EURHKENAI, and it makes the sentence
> quite complicated. It seems to be a disadvantage of the typical
> rendering?
>
> (4) Wouldn't the typical rendering require the following?
>
> TI OUN EROUMEN ABRAHAM TON PROPATORA HMWN EUREKENAI
> KATA SARKA?
>
> Moon
> Moon-Ryul Jung
> Sogang Univ, Seoul, Korea
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