From: David Thiele (thielogian@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed May 16 2001 - 18:19:50 EDT
I appreciate the concerns (with regard to Heb 1:8)
that have been expressed about getting into
theological discussions on this forum. I have no
desire to do so. (I am unreservedly trinitarian in my
theology).
However, I have a question regarding the Greek of this
verse. By my reading QEOS is in the Nominative Case
and has a Nominative article. How is it possible to
translate it as a vocative? I have always been given
to understand that there is no vocative article, that
is, that vocatives cannot take an article.
From a grammatical point of view I would have thought
Wayne's options 2 and 3 were the only ones available.
Have I missed something.
Regards
David Thiele
Pacific Adventist University
--- Wayne Leman <Wayne_Leman@SIL.ORG> wrote: >
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry W. Jones" <hjbluebird@aol.com>
> >
> > Dear B-Greekers,
> >
> > I could use some help on this. Most translations
> that I know of
> > translate this as Jesus having a throne and being
> God. But the New
> > World Translation (no I'm not a Jehovah Witiness)
> translates it as
> > God being the throne without Jesus being God. The
> question is, could
> > this passage be translated the NWT way?
>
> It looks possible to me that hO QRONOS SOU hO QEOS
> can be translated with
> "God" as either:
>
> 1. vocative ("your throne, O, God, is forever...",
> as in most English
> versions), or
> 2. nominative subject of an equative construction
> ("God is your throne..."),
> or
> 3. predicate nominative of an equative construction
> ("your throne is God...)
>
> I just looked in a nice exegetical summary I have of
> Hebrews, written by the
> Greek professor J. Harold Greenlee, and he points
> out the same options. If
> you are commentary counting, option 1 wins, by far,
> but that could be
> attributed to the theology of the commentators.
>
> I am not Arian, either, but I think that we do need
> to recognize that all 3
> exegetical options are possible here. To me it makes
> better theological
> sense that God would be telling his messianic son
> that his throne will last
> forever, since this seems to be a quote to that
> effect from the OT, and
> there are other Bible passages that speak of the
> eternal throne of the
> messiah.
>
> But the exegetical options are still there are
> cannot be ruled out purely on
> syntactic or other linguistic grounds, as far as I
> can tell.
>
> Wayne
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