From: c stirling bartholomew (cc.constantine@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Sat Jul 14 2001 - 15:44:19 EDT
Thanks Daniel,
A few observations follow.
on 7/14/01 11:11 AM, Daniel L. Christiansen wrote:
>> Matt. 8:22 TOUS NEKROUS (first instance)
>> Is this the subject of QAYAI? Is it also the object of AFES?
>
> I would say that, yes, TOUS NEKROUS is the "subject" of QAYAI. The dead are
> those who are envisioned as performing the action of QAYAI. However, I think
> that it would be better to see the entire infinitive phrase as a complement to
> AFES, rather than trying to locate a specific object for the verb. That is my
> opinion, and possibly a minority one, but it seems to handle the lexical
> requirements of AFIHMI better than an "object."
I can live with this. As long as TOUS NEKROUS is the "subject" of QAYAI.
Contrary to my normal policy I am currently trying to write on the case
system where I keep everything well within the mainstream of NT Greek
gramatical orthodoxy. Rather than exploring the fringe I need to stay in the
middle of the time honored road establised by two milennia of precedent.
This is a bit of a strain.
>
>> Matt 8:28 TINA Is this the subject of ISCUEIN or PARELQEIN or both?
>>
> TINA is certainly the "subject" of PARELQEIN, here: it is the TINA who is
> considered as performing the action of PARELQEIN. Whether it is the "subject"
> of ISCUEIN, is a matter of debate. 1) You could take it as such, and then
> treat PARELQEIN as a complentary infinitive, thus leaving TINA in a
> once-removed relationship to PARELQEIN. "A person could not pass by that
> way." I don't think this handles the first infinitive and the negative as
> well as it could. Alternatively (and I think this is best, myself), you could
> understand ISCUEIN as an impersonal infinitive, without a stated "subject,"
> leaving TINA for PARELQEIN alone. "It was not possible for anyone to pass by
> that way." I think this deals with all the constituents appropriately.
Yes I see your point. Another way of construing MH ISCUEIN is that if
functions as a qualifier of TINA. But that is far removed from my problem. I
am looking for acc. subjects of the infiniive and TINA with PARELQEIN will
suit my purpose.
Thanks Daniel, for the help. You are certainly a big enough greek to field
this sort of question.
Clay
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Clayton Stirling Bartholomew
Three Tree Point
P.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062
**concluding irrelevant postscript**
One of the things one hears oftenest about bullfighting is the statement
that a cow is much more dangerous when charging than a bull . . . . I donšt
know who started this but there is no truth in it. The females that are used
in amateur fights almost invariably make for the man rather than the cape,
cut in on him rather than charge straight and will often single out one
particular man or boy and pursue him through a crowd of half a hundred, but
they do not do this because of any innate superior intelligent in the
female, as Virginia Woolf might suppose . . .
Ernest Hemingway, Death in The Afternoon
(New York, 1932, p.106)
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