From: Harry W. Jones (hjbluebird@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 01 2001 - 17:48:25 EST
Dear Carl,
Would you mind clarifying the conclusions that you have come to?
I'm not quite sure of what you are concluding.
Best,
Harry Jones
> At 11:11 PM -0600 11/30/01, Steven Lo Vullo wrote:
> >On Thursday, November 29, 2001, at 06:50 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote :
> > [regarding understanding articular nouns in Mt 18:17, Lk 10:7, and Jn 2:25
> > as generic and Englishing them as "a(n) X" rather than "the X"]
> >
> >I fully concur with your assessment of the above texts. However, I do
> >not think they supply a comparable semantic situation to Luke 18.13,
> >i.e., an articular nominal most probably (IMO) in apposition to a first
> >person personal pronoun. All the above cases refer to generic, third
> >party entities, no one person in particular. On the other hand, in Luke
> >18.13 the tax collector is referring to himself specifically and
> >personally. And since TWi hAMARTWLWi is in apposition (IMO) to MOI, this
> >also seems to concretize and personalize TWi hAMARTWLWi, rather than
> >describe a generic category of which the tax collector is an example.
> >Two singular substantives in apposition usually refer to the same person
> >or thing, not the person or thing and the generic class to which the
> >person or thing belongs. The tax collector is referring to himself in
> >particular, a specific, identifiable individual. This, I believe,
> >creates a different situation altogether from that of the other
> >passages. In addition, since the Pharisee compares himself *favorably*
> >to the tax collector, it seems in context that, in a wonderful example
> >of irony, it would not be unusual for Jesus to portray the tax collector
> >as comparing himself *unfavorably* to the Pharisee ("me, the sinner
> >[compared to *him*, the righteous man"), though the tax collector went
> >home justified and the Pharisee (unbeknown to the tax collector) not.
>
> I think I ought to confess publicly here that I have been won over by the
> argument at last with regard to TWi hAMARTWLWi, and I am grateful to Steven
> in particular for persistence in clarifying the terms of what is at stake
> here.
> --
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
> Most months: 1647 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwconrad@ioa.com
> WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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