From: Polycarp66@aol.com
Date: Sat Mar 23 2002 - 23:09:36 EST
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/23/2002 9:56:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, slovullo@mac.com writes:
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<BR>MONON AXIWS TOU EUAGGELIOU TOU CRISTOU POLITEUESQE, hINA EITE ELQWN KAI IDWN
<BR>hUMAS EITE APWN AKOUW TA PERI hUMWN, hOTI STHKETE EN hENI PNEUMATI, MIAi
<BR>YUCHi SUNAQLOUNTES THi PISTEI TOU EUAGGELIOU
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<BR>While I understood (though disagreed with) Manolis Nikolaou's position, I'm
<BR>afraid I still do not understand yours. You seem to be construing the hOTI
<BR>clause with POLITEUESQE, as a subordinate result clause. Manolis understood
<BR>that in order to construe AKOUW with APWN, there must be an elliptical
<BR>subjunctive verb for the hINA clause to function as a purpose clause. He
<BR>chose GNW as the elliptical verb, and understood the hOTI clause as the
<BR>object of GNW. In this case, the correlative clauses would be subordinate to
<BR>the elliptical GNW as well. It seems to me that if we eliminate AKOUW as the
<BR>subjunctive verb with hINA in the purpose clause, this is the route we must
<BR>follow. The way you seem to have construed the hOTI clause leaves us without
<BR>a purpose clause at all, since, in the end, there never is a subjunctive
<BR>verb to construe with hINA, explicit or implied. If hINA introduces a
<BR>purpose clause, and if the correlative clauses (EITE ... EITE) are
<BR>"parenthetical," and if hOTI introduces a result clause, what constitutes
<BR>the purpose clause? hINA alone? We certainly couldn't construe the hOTI
<BR>clause directly with hINA. Then we would have hINA ... hOTI, an impossible
<BR>construction. The correlative clauses are subordinate, and cannot in any
<BR>intelligible way form a purpose clause with hINA.
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<BR>Let me translate so that my meaning might be clearer.
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<BR>Only live worthy of the gospel of Christ so that, whether coming and seeing you or being absent I hear concerning you, that you stand in one spirit laboring together with one mind in the faith of the gospel . . .
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<BR>Does this follow the nice neat categories of Greek grammar? No. Are we to contend that Paul and others only wrote "correct" Greek? I think not. I think that sometimes Paul got carried away with thoughts that popped into his mind. In such situations he may have forgotten his Strunk & White. It would be a mistake to insist that every sentence in the NT be grammatically correct.
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<BR>gfsomsel
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