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Thu Jul 30 08:58:25 2009 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:57:18 CST From: Old Tube Radios To: Old Tube Radios Subject: BOATANCHORS digest 4279 Message-Id: <20090730135720.410EBD58BF@srvr1.theporch.com> BOATANCHORS Digest 4279 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) QTC 10 at KSM by Richard Dillman 2) TCS Antenna Questions by "Lenox Carruth" 3) Re: TCS Antenna Questions by mac 4) Re: TCS Antenna Questions by "Guido" 5) QTC 10 at KSM - The Rest of the Story by Richard Dillman 6) QTC 10 at KSM - Hear the Audio by Richard Dillman 7) More Military Stuff by "Wilson Lamb" 8) Swan Repairs by Dave or Debbie Metz 9) decals by "RICHARD GEORGE" 10) Audiophoole snake oil at its best! by John Sehring 11) Re: decals by "Paul Kraemer" 12) Re: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! by "Arden Allen" 13) Re: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! by john 14) RE: decals by RICHARD SOLOMON 15) Re: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! by "David Stinson" 16) RE: decals by "Bill Hawkins" 17) Re: decals by David Hollander 18) Re: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! by Jerry Proc 19) Re: decals by "Paul Kraemer" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <5870368.1248576175591.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:42:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Dillman To: Old Tube Radios Subject: QTC 10 at KSM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was a record day today at KSM. Things began normally enough with the CW press still being keyed from the Bolinas transmitting station when I arrived at the receive site. Not long after, Steve threw the switches in the Bolinas control room and I assumed control of KSM. SS AMERICAN VICTORY/KKUI called on 12Mc but was QRU. At 2100Z I sent the traffic list, for the first time on the Boehme paper tape keying head. It worked great and gave me new respect for the men who regularly punched tape on the Kleinschmidt. SS JEREMIAH O'BRIEN/KXCH was on the traffic list as I was holding QTC 1 for them. Up they came on 500kc (Denice at the key) with QTC. So it was UP 425/426. Only there did she reveal she had 9 on the hook, later to increase to 10. So off we went, one after another, with no more than a brisk QSL K in between. I was keying both the MF and all the HF transmitters so all listeners could hear at least my end of the circuit with my occasional breaks for fills. 2130Z, time for high seas weather, rolled around and we were still going at it hammer and tongs. I asked Denice to QRX while I switched the HF transmitters to the weather (but 10 minutes late, sorry) then come back on MF to continue with her. Soon I had all 10 and she had copied my message. In the glory days the messages would have been delivered by Telex or a messenger boy in a bicycle in a snappy RCA uniform. But our last messenger boy retired in 1962 and you can't find a Telex machine to save your life these days. So the messages were delivered by email, today's Telex. No charge of course. I know the ops who sat the circuit on long shifts wouldn't count QTC 10 as very much. Still, 10 real messages and on MF to boot made it a good day at KSM. VY 73, RD ================================= Richard Dillman, W6AWO Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM Maritime Radio Historical Society http://www.radiomarine.org ================================= ------------------------------ From: "Lenox Carruth" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: TCS Antenna Questions Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:25:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA0E26.D74F8760" Message-Id: <20090727002528.076F710AF9A@srvr1.theporch.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA0E26.D74F8760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of you may remember that I asked for and got a lot of good information on using a vertical antenna with the TCS for public displays in the field. I have about been convinced that we would have much better luck with a 40 meter dipole since we can't get a good radial system for the vertical. Radials are out because we can't have people tripping over them and all of the displays are on either public or other property that is not ours. The only drawback would be that we could probably only get a dipole about fifteen feet high. Question: Has anyone used a 40 meter dipole with the TCS and, if so, how did you couple it to the transmitter, what did you use as a feedline, balun, etc. I think that I may have some nice, stranded copper wire that would be a good portable antenna. Don't yet know what we will use as poles to support it but we have to get it all together by September 5th. Thus, I need stuff that is fairly readily available. We would prefer not to use a modern antenna tuner as the whole idea of the display is to have a fully working WW-II radio station. We have been doing this for years but don't typically have very good luck with the vertical and a short ground rod. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please be specific as I am a mechanical engineer and my antenna knowledge is pretty much limited to realizing that it is black magic. The electrical engineer part of the team is currently in the frozen north land. (Well, Wisconsin seems frozen compared to 105 degrees here in Dallas.) After Tuesday, I will be out-of-town for about ten days so won't be able to answer but will digest it all when I get back. Many thanks! Lenox Carruth WA5OVG ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA0E26.D74F8760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01CA0E26.D74F8760-- ------------------------------ Cc: Old Tube Radios Message-Id: From: mac To: Old Tube Radios Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: TCS Antenna Questions Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:30:20 -0700 Lenox, Try a end fed half wave antenna. Connect a half wave piece of wire to the TCS xmtr antenna post and a 40 PF or so cap to ground. A variable cap OK too and would give an additional measure of adjustment. Some voltage here so use a transmitting mica and/or a variable with appropriate spacing. What you doing here is forming an "L" network with the roller inductor to match the low impedance link in the TCS to the high impedance at the input of the wire. Adjust the roller inductor and loading adjustment in the TCS for rated output. Run the wire as high and in the clear as possible. Only a minimal ground system required here, a couple of ground stakes, the safety ground in the AC system, body of a van or car, chain link fence, etc. will suffice. Dennis D. W7QHO Glendale, CA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007201ca0e6c$54523150$4000000a@CPQ10443900021> From: "Guido" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: TCS Antenna Questions Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:42:55 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember that the TCS came with an antenna tuner to couple it to a 20 or 30 ft vertical. At one point I had this tuner with the RX/TX TCS pair but I parted from them some years ago :>(. The tuner was just a B&K or Airdux coil tapped at several points and connected to a ceramic switch. Everything was in a small metal enclosure. The coil was about 2 inches in diameter but I don't remember how many turns. This was supposed to make both the transmitter/Rec pair work ok with the vertical. My two cents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenox Carruth" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: TCS Antenna Questions > > > Some of you may remember that I asked for and got a lot of good information > on using a vertical antenna with the TCS for public displays in the field. > I have about been convinced that we would have much better luck with a 40 > meter dipole since we can't get a good radial system for the vertical. > Radials are out because we can't have people tripping over them and all of > the displays are on either public or other property that is not ours. The > only drawback would be that we could probably only get a dipole about > fifteen feet high. > > > > Question: Has anyone used a 40 meter dipole with the TCS and, if so, how > did you couple it to the transmitter, what did you use as a feedline, balun, > etc. I think that I may have some nice, stranded copper wire that would be > a good portable antenna. Don't yet know what we will use as poles to > support it but we have to get it all together by September 5th. Thus, I > need stuff that is fairly readily available. > > > > We would prefer not to use a modern antenna tuner as the whole idea of the > display is to have a fully working WW-II radio station. We have been doing > this for years but don't typically have very good luck with the vertical and > a short ground rod. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please be specific as I am a > mechanical engineer and my antenna knowledge is pretty much limited to > realizing that it is black magic. The electrical engineer part of the team > is currently in the frozen north land. (Well, Wisconsin seems frozen > compared to 105 degrees here in Dallas.) > > > > After Tuesday, I will be out-of-town for about ten days so won't be able to > answer but will digest it all when I get back. > > > > > > Many thanks! > > > > Lenox Carruth > > WA5OVG > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4849453.1248710614210.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:03:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Dillman To: Old Tube Radios Subject: QTC 10 at KSM - The Rest of the Story Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my last message I described how Denice aboard SS JEREMIAH O'BRIEN/KXCH came up on 500kc with QTC 10 for KSM last Saturday. As always, there's more to the story. Here's Denice's report on what was taking place aboard the ship that generated the traffic. RD ----- hi guys, there is a little history behind the ten telegrams that i sent to RD today. two of the ladies (there are 7 total that are staying on the ship) were child passengers on a liberty ship from south africa to buenos aires in 1945. their father was a missionary and bribed the ship's capt. to smuggle them out of africa. one of the ladies, only an infant at the time told a story hovv she got a bath in a huge salad bowl on top of the master's bunk. they have been in negotiations with the day time shipkeeper since january to make this trip and came from cities all over the country. i got a late start sending traffic today (sorry RD) because they took me out to lunch and we were a bit late getting back to the ship. the wife of the missionary came from a wealthy family, and was given a movie camera to take on her adventure to Africa, so they had home movies of life aboard the ship. these movies have been transferred to dvd and i hope to view later this evening. all seven of the ladies are related, moms and daughters and aunts and cousins. last night we were talking, and i offered to add to the completeness of their onboard experience by sending telelgrams for them. they video taped an interview of myself which includ some sending, and have offered to send me a copy of the video when it is completed. i'm sure RD was wondering what was going on... sweet dreams everyone! 73/88/da ================================= Richard Dillman, W6AWO Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM Maritime Radio Historical Society http://www.radiomarine.org ================================= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <14966406.1248737543285.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:32:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Dillman To: Old Tube Radios Subject: QTC 10 at KSM - Hear the Audio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some readers of these pages have written to ask if a recording might have been made of KXCH delivering 10 messages to KSM on MF. Happily, the answer is yes. The mp3 audio file may be found at the URL below. It's about 15 minutes long. I figured most listeners would want to hear the Morse itself, not a voice over narration. So I've included a description of the recording here. The original recording has been extensively edited to preserve the privacy of the messages. Yet I hope the feeling of the message exchanges is preserved. As an artifact of this editing it seems as if I was breaking KXCH more frequently that I actually was because with the elimination of the message text the breaks seem closer together. The recording begins with the end of the KSM wheel that began at at 2100gmt in which KXCH was included. I expected to send the single message I had to KXCH and so was taken aback when Denice sent "QTC 10". In fact it didn't really register until after she had sent her first message and I tried to send mine. That's when she came back with QTC 9 and I knew I'd need more message paper. You can hear this plainly on the recording. The tone of the KSM signal is due to the fact that KXCH was on 425kc and KSM was on 426kc. I tuned our MF receiver for best KXCH reception while still being able to hear KSM as a keying monitor. Other highlights include me trying to explain to a station visitor what I was up to and that he'd have to wait a moment - actually many moments - until I could give him a tour. At a bit past 2130gmt I asked Denice to stand by while I got the weather out on HF, then returned to her on MF. You'll hear me sending T T T on 500 before the weather and announcing that today the weather would be on HF only. Finally I got a chance to send my one message! Please download and enjoy at: http://tinyurl.com/nx5uqh VY 73, RD ================================= Richard Dillman, W6AWO Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM Maritime Radio Historical Society http://www.radiomarine.org ================================= ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Wilson Lamb" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Subject: More Military Stuff Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:54:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I've heard from several people re ART-13s. I hope to see them tomorrow. Preference is going to local pickups, so if you are not local but are willing to pay for packing, etc, let me know. My objective is to get the owner reasonable money without wearing myself out in the process. The stuff is 80 miles from here, so a bit of a pain. I have heard there are several ARC-5s and I saw an AR-88 that he was working on. It needs something, and cleaning, but I know it has not been butchered. They weigh 100lb, remember. Let me know if you are seriously interested. I have all the inquiries sent so far and will be back to everyone. 73, Wilson W4BOH ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4A6F7088.6040107@ntelos.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:41:28 -0400 From: Dave or Debbie Metz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Swan Repairs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wondering if anyone can give me a point to someone who does tube Swan repair as a hobby/modest cost. (a 350C and time frame not a factor---I'm very patient!) I recently picked up a Swan 350C, and I know they are not the most sought after radios but perhaps I can find someone who has been through these a few times and their knowledge would save a lot of time. Off list please 73's Dave KJ4JX ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "RICHARD GEORGE" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: decals Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:01:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA0FC6.99507A90" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA0FC6.99507A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm restoring some old Gonset gear and need to replace some of the worn = white lettering that has seen better days. Does anyone still sell decals or dry transfer lettering? I would prefer full word lettering for electronics over individual = letters I can create my own decals on the computer but not in white. K6KWQ Dick amps by "MORE POWER" ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA0FC6.99507A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA0FC6.99507A90-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <931476.11147.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Sehring Subject: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Only $600 for a single RCA to RCA one meter cable: http://www.synergisticresearch.com/page/tesla Poor old Nikolai is not around to defend himself! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <5F5AB97AD14A4BC9BCBCB50B1B7A61D6@ENGR2> From: "Paul Kraemer" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: decals Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:11:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can obtain the dry transfer lettering at art supply stores I have also seen websites that have process where you can make decals from your artwork There are even places that can make dry transfers from your artwork, or you can do it yourself, see pulsarprofx.com Paul K0UYA ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICHARD GEORGE" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: decals I'm restoring some old Gonset gear and need to replace some of the worn white lettering that has seen better days. Does anyone still sell decals or dry transfer lettering? I would prefer full word lettering for electronics over individual letters I can create my own decals on the computer but not in white. K6KWQ Dick amps by "MORE POWER" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003e01ca108e$86860150$7c9e480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:31:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If NASA did the same kind of thinking we taxpayers would be paying for a spaceborne vacuum cleaner to keep all that dust and dirt off of our planet. Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20090729171054.03ad2cd0@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:11:04 -0400 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: Re: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed But they're ....HOLOGRAPHIC! At 11:22 AM 7/29/2009, John Sehring wrote: >Only $600 for a single RCA to RCA one meter cable: > > http://www.synergisticresearch.com/page/tesla > >Poor old Nikolai is not around to defend himself! > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b76803a3-3b3c-4388-b74f-b1f24fec867f_" From: RICHARD SOLOMON To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: decals Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:07:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 --_b76803a3-3b3c-4388-b74f-b1f24fec867f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable These work fine for a flat surface=2C but what would you do with an irregular surface ? Such as a Heathkit SB-220 panel or one with a Black Crackle finish ?? =20 73=2C Dick=2C W1KSZ =20 > From: elespe@lisco.com > To: boatanchors@theporch.com > Subject: Re: decals > Date: Wed=2C 29 Jul 2009 12:11:43 -0500 >=20 > You can obtain the dry transfer lettering at art supply stores > I have also seen websites that have process where you can make decals fro= m=20 > your artwork > There are even places that can make dry transfers from your artwork=2C or= you=20 > can do it yourself=2C see pulsarprofx.com > Paul K0UYA > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "RICHARD GEORGE" > To: "Old Tube Radios" > Sent: Tuesday=2C July 28=2C 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: decals >=20 >=20 > I'm restoring some old Gonset gear and need to replace some of the worn=20 > white lettering that has seen better days. > Does anyone still sell decals or dry transfer lettering? >=20 > I would prefer full word lettering for electronics over individual letter= s >=20 > I can create my own decals on the computer but not in white. >=20 > K6KWQ Dick > amps by "MORE POWER"=20 >=20 --_b76803a3-3b3c-4388-b74f-b1f24fec867f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --_b76803a3-3b3c-4388-b74f-b1f24fec867f_-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "David Stinson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:40:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want a really big hoot, try this page: http://www.synergisticresearch.com/page/ac_conditioning The "quantum tunnelling" hocus-pocus should rope-in a big bunch of the audio lemmings. ------------------------------ From: "Bill Hawkins" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: decals Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, you'd do what any construction crew would do. You either fill in or scrape off the site until it's level. No more irregular surface. Bill Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: RICHARD SOLOMON Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:08 PM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: decals These work fine for a flat surface, but what would you do with an irregular surface ? Such as a Heathkit SB-220 panel or one with a Black Crackle finish ?? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4A711451.9060906@cox.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:32:33 -0700 From: David Hollander MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios CC: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: decals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go to a hobby shop that carries model railroad supplies and ask for a bottle of Solvaset. It's made by one of the model railroad suppliers. http://www.houseofhobbies.com/sodeseso.html shows an example of this stuff. It allows to decals to flow around non-flat surface on models. I used it on model railroad cars that I built and it does exactly what you trying to accomplish. Good luck, Dave N7RK -- *********************************************************** Dave N7RK Boatanchors Home Page: http://members.cox.net/n7rk Phoenix, Arizona *DXCC Honor Roll* *WAZ#22 - 75 Meter SSB* ex-XE2/N7RK, N7RK/ZB2, VK2ERK, ZM0AJN, WB6NRK, WN6IWX Boatanchor and Antique Radio Collector ------------------------------ Message-ID: <214947.35537.qm@web90604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Proc Subject: Re: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If there was a prize awarded for the best technical crap writing, this outfit would win hands down. They are in a class of their own! -- Regards, Jerry Proc E-mail: jerry7proc@yahoo.com --- On Wed, 7/29/09, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: Re: Audiophoole snake oil at its best! > To: "Old Tube Radios" > Received: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 2:11 PM > But they're ....HOLOGRAPHIC! > > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Paul Kraemer" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: decals Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:57:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you burnish the decal into the surface with a Q tip that works too, as long as it isn't too extreme Paul K0UYA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hawkins" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: RE: decals > Well, you'd do what any construction crew would do. You either > fill in or scrape off the site until it's level. No more > irregular surface. > > Bill Hawkins > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RICHARD SOLOMON > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:08 PM > To: Old Tube Radios > Subject: RE: decals > > > These work fine for a flat surface, but what would you do with > > an irregular surface ? Such as a Heathkit SB-220 panel or one > > with a Black Crackle finish ?? > > ------------------------------ End of BOATANCHORS Digest 4279 ******************************