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Mon Nov 16 12:12:52 2009 -0600 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:12:44 CST From: Old Tube Radios To: Old Tube Radios Subject: BOATANCHORS digest 4298 Message-Id: <20091116181252.1A55919B2E@sco.theporch.com> BOATANCHORS Digest 4298 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by "Arden Allen" 2) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by Richard Loken 3) LED traffic signals by spr@earthlink.net 4) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by spr@earthlink.net 5) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by Richard Loken 6) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by spr@earthlink.net 7) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by Richard Loken 8) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly - now CFLs by aafradio 9) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly - now CFLs by Richard Loken 10) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by "Arden Allen" 11) Re: LED traffic signals by "Arden Allen" 12) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by Richard Loken 13) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by Jack Harper 14) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by HankVC 15) Warrior Song by Ed White WA3BZT 16) Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly by "Arden Allen" 17) Re: Warrior Song by "Arden Allen" 18) Need Telephone # For Harris RF Communications by WA5CAB@cs.com 19) Re: LED traffic signals by Scott Robinson 20) Type of bulb (lamp) by "Herbert M. Rosenthal" 21) Re: Warrior Song by mac 22) Re: Warrior Song by "David Stinson" 23) Gonset II with 6BG7 schematic by John J Mccarty ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <001501ca64a2$354abb10$d89e480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:45:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There is a big push on by the environmental nuts to replace all > incandescandent lamps with something else, often LED's. >From what you describe, Bob, some folks eyes don't respond to some spectrum lines very well re traffic lights. Sort of a color blindness, I guess. For paint colors, no light returned if not the paint's color. More efficient signal lights, so an arguement would go, saves us taxpayers by lower energy costs. We know better. The biggest problem I've seen is LED traffic lights have reliability problems. Half the LED's burn out before long. Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:03:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Loken Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly Cc: Old Tube Radios MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Old Tube Radios Curiously I find I can see led traffic lights better than incandescent ones especially when the sun is behind them. Goes to show we are all differant. I will bear in mind the comment about using LED flashlights to peer into ancient radios but I will continue to keep one in my pocket, the car, etc. I find that an LED light still works when I fish it out - the battery is generally not dead and it will survive more than one fall onto the concrete. Lets rant about compact flouros! Do those complex noisy litlly #$%%!&* save energy, materials, money? How? Explain it to me. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University : but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston ------------------------------ Message-ID: <27592782.1258147428687.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:23:48 -0500 (EST) From: spr@earthlink.net To: Old Tube Radios Subject: LED traffic signals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, There's another downside to them that I, in never freezing coastal Californai, don't see. The incandescents generate enough heat to melt blown snow out of the directional tunnel; the LEDs don't. AT least, this is what Click'nClack report. As to burnout, at least *some* of the LEDS are still on, better than a burned out bulb. /scott -----Original Message----- >From: Arden Allen >Sent: Nov 13, 2009 3:45 PM >To: Old Tube Radios >Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly > >> There is a big push on by the environmental nuts to replace all >> incandescandent lamps with something else, often LED's. > >>From what you describe, Bob, some folks eyes don't respond to some spectrum >lines very well re traffic lights. Sort of a color blindness, I guess. For >paint colors, no light returned if not the paint's color. > >More efficient signal lights, so an arguement would go, saves us taxpayers >by lower energy costs. We know better. The biggest problem I've seen is >LED traffic lights have reliability problems. Half the LED's burn out >before long. > >Arden Allen >KB6NAX > >Adopt a shelter dog, >save an innocent life, >and make a friend forever =:-) > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <14068568.1258147646183.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:27:25 -0500 (EST) From: spr@earthlink.net To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly Cc: Old Tube Radios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and Scott comments: Well, they use about 1/4 the power for the same light output. I save 40 kWH/month by using mostly CLFs. Only one of the CFLs in my house makes RF noise; the rest are silent, and I am listening to the BBC from Thailand to California, on the other side of a mountain from me. I notice *all* sources of RF noise. Regards, Scott Richard Loken wrote: > >Lets rant about compact flouros! Do those complex noisy litlly #$%%!&* >save energy, materials, money? How? Explain it to me. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:56:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Loken Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Old Tube Radios MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 spr@earthlink.net wrote: > Well, they use about 1/4 the power for the same light output. I save 40 > kWH/month by using mostly CLFs. Only one of the CFLs in my house makes RF True but does the cost of the electricity equal the increased price tag on the bulb? I have started writing the installation date on compact flouros because I replace them with distressing frequency, a flouro has to live longer than a incandescent if I am going to get my money back. How about cradle to grave cost? A lightbulb consists of a little bit of glass, some zinc, a smidgeon of tungsten wire, and a tiny dollop of argon. A flouro has a lot more glass, a slab of plastic, a little glass epoxy board, a few active and passive components, etc. etc. etc. They don't make a flouro by heating some maple syrup over a lighted match, does the resource saving in a flouro's operation exceed the resource cost to manufacture it? -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University : but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston ------------------------------ Message-ID: <13192403.1258150374041.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:12:53 -0500 (EST) From: spr@earthlink.net To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly Cc: Old Tube Radios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Richard, Well, I didn't change them to save money, I did it to reduce my carbon footprint. I probably break even on money, as I have had few failures in the 2 or 3 years I've used them. My house (one inhabitant) uses about 115 KWh/month. /scott -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Loken >Sent: Nov 13, 2009 4:56 PM >To: spr@earthlink.net >Cc: Old Tube Radios >Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly > >On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 spr@earthlink.net wrote: > >> Well, they use about 1/4 the power for the same light output. I save 40 >> kWH/month by using mostly CLFs. Only one of the CFLs in my house makes RF > >True but does the cost of the electricity equal the increased price tag on >the bulb? I have started writing the installation date on compact flouros >because I replace them with distressing frequency, a flouro has to live >longer than a incandescent if I am going to get my money back. > >How about cradle to grave cost? A lightbulb consists of a little bit of >glass, some zinc, a smidgeon of tungsten wire, and a tiny dollop of argon. >A flouro has a lot more glass, a slab of plastic, a little glass epoxy >board, a few active and passive components, etc. etc. etc. They don't make >a flouro by heating some maple syrup over a lighted match, does the resource >saving in a flouro's operation exceed the resource cost to manufacture it? > >-- > Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father > Athabasca University : but you have to earn > Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" > ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:22:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Loken Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Old Tube Radios MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 spr@earthlink.net wrote: > HI Richard, > > Well, I didn't change them to save money, I did it to reduce my carbon > footprint. I probably break even on money, as I have had few failures in > the 2 or 3 years I've used them. Precisely my point. I don't reduce my carbon footprint if the resource investment in the manufacture of the light bulb is greater than or equal to the energy that I save using the bulb, all I am doing is moving the resource cost from my address to some place in China. In addition, China is not known for their leadership in clean industry so it is probable that a Chinese KWH is a lot dirtier than a North American KWH. I am not saying this is the case, I simply don't know the answer. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University : but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4AFDFEA3.8070401@aafradio.org> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:49:39 -0500 From: aafradio MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly - now CFLs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Loken wrote: > I have started writing the installation date on compact flouros > because I replace them with distressing frequency, a flouro has to live > longer than a incandescent if I am going to get my money back. Absolutely. But you need to consider the conditions under which they operate. I have a 13 watt CFL lighting the parking area that has been in 24/7/365 use for over 4 years. The CFLs are great *if you don't turn them off*! The starters are the culprit here, and they are affected by temperature in a big way. For lights that I frequently turn on for short periods, I still use incandescents. For something I can leave on all day, the CFL gets the nod. We live in a complex time...unfortunately, we just have to get used to it! :-D 73, Mike KC4TOS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:20:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Loken Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly - now CFLs To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Old Tube Radios MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, aafradio wrote: > Absolutely. But you need to consider the conditions under which they > operate. I have a 13 watt CFL lighting the parking area that has been in > 24/7/365 use for over 4 years. The CFLs are great *if you don't turn them > off*! The starters are the culprit here, and they are affected by > temperature in a big way. For lights that I frequently turn on for short Heat also seems to kill the starters. I have some lights that are totally enclosed and I still run incandescents in there because it just gets too hot for a flouro. I have worked out this experimentally - a light in an open socket can run a long time, put it in a fashionable fixture and you better make sure you have a spare on hand. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University : but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004301ca651a$5d773910$c79e480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: "Old Tube Radios" Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:44:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lets rant about compact flouros! Do those complex noisy litlly #$%%!&* > save energy, materials, money? How? Explain it to me. I don't think so. You can almost make incandescent lamps in your back yard. Not CFL's. They're not supposed to make any more noise than an ordinary vacuum cleaner's motor, or some such. You still can listen to the AM broadcast station down the block. CFL's save energy by making things less expensive for someone else. Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004401ca651a$5eaa3ad0$c79e480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: LED traffic signals Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:46:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As to burnout, at least *some* of the LEDS are still on, better than a burned out bulb. That does nothing for the replacment cost. They get replaced before the rest of the LED's go Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:38:40 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Loken To: Old Tube Radios cc: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly Message-ID: <20091114073755.O80672@discord.bogons> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sat, 14 Nov 2009, Arden Allen wrote: >> Lets rant about compact flouros! Do those complex noisy litlly #$%%!&* >> save energy, materials, money? How? Explain it to me. > > I don't think so. You can almost make incandescent lamps in your back yard. > Not CFL's. They're not supposed to make any more noise than an ordinary Good to know there are at least two of us heretics. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University : but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:52:52 -0700 To: Old Tube Radios From: Jack Harper Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20091114145338.45D9F19B38@sco.theporch.com> At 07:38 AM 11/14/2009, you wrote: >On Sat, 14 Nov 2009, Arden Allen wrote: > >>>Lets rant about compact flouros! Do those complex noisy litlly #$%%!&* >>>save energy, materials, money? How? Explain it to me. >> >>I don't think so. You can almost make incandescent lamps in your back= yard. >>Not CFL's. They're not supposed to make any more noise than an ordinary > >Good to know there are at least two of us heretics. ...well, at least three. I understand that CFL's are also laced with=20 mercury - not sure why or if that is true as I=20 have not researched that - and I simply cannot=20 help but believe that billions of those things in=20 the landfills over the years will definitely add=20 to the toxic load of fish and all the rest. I have slowly been stockpiling regular 100W light=20 bulbs over the past year to be ready when they=20 are illegal and a shootable offense in two more=20 years here in the United States (already so in=20 Europe). Every time that I go to Walmart, I pick=20 up four of the things for less than $2. I am a voracious reader and my goal is to have=20 200 bulbs which should last the rest of my life=20 -- at least for my reading lamp. Hopefully, LED bulbs that actually work well with=20 a readable multi-spectral illumination will come=20 into being soon. But, if not, I can press on=20 through the fog with my illicit stockpile of=20 verbotten bulbs whilst quietly reading down in=20 der Bunker... I wonder if I will have to "register" them... Regards to the List from a Snowy Rocky Mountains, Jack, W=D8YJ ("Friend to all Things Hammarlund") Evergreen, Colorado ------------------------------ From: HankVC Message-Id: <200911141737.nAEHbRjl009393@julie.lostwells.net> Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly To: Old Tube Radios Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:37:27 -0700 (MST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The esteemed Richard Loken has said: > > Lets rant about compact flouros! Do those complex noisy litlly #$%%!&* > save energy, materials, money? How? Explain it to me. > A couple of weeks ago I bought a couple of those flourescent replacements that we're supposedly going to be forced to use, to use in a couple of fixtures that eat 60W incandescents. Reality no. 1: Those flourescents won't fit in the fixtures. I'll have to buy new fixtures if I have to use them. Beyond that, it appears that I'll have to replace about five other ceiling fixtures because of mechanical fit issues. I live in the middle of Wyoming, which means that our heating season runs about ten months of the year. This house was built "all-electric," so relies primarily on baseboard heaters. Part of the electrical heating stuff (water heater, room heaters) is on time-of-day circuitry. Also, the main living area has a pellet stove, and the basement has a couple of propane gas heaters. The thermodynamic model for all this is pretty simple---heat generated by incandescent bulbs offsets heat generated by baseboard heaters---both electrical. Entropy is a "plus" most of the year, and the energy source is the same. Going "all-flourescent" might reduce annual KWH usage 1-2% (allowing for July-August). Reducing "carbon footprint?" I doubt that offsetting that from coal-fired electrical generation with a pellet stove and/or propane calculates to "positive" at all. I see you're up in Alberta, where things aren't generally any warmer than here in Wyoming, so will guess that your thermodynamic modelling would be about the same as mine. "Energy-efficient" lighting has a ton of capital and replacement cost downsides, and does nothing for total energy consumption or carbon footprint---just transfers that load elswhere. Hank ------------------------------ Message-id: <4AFEEE6F.70008@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:52:47 -0500 From: Ed White WA3BZT MIME-version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Warrior Song Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ladies & Gentlemen, I'd like to share the Warrior song with you if you haven't heard it. http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/10/i-am-a-warrior-and-this-is-my-song.html It made want to grab a rifle and go out. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002401ca656d$ebe7d440$229e480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: LED Flashlights Aren't Collector (or Human) Friendly Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:52:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > But, if not, I can press on through the fog with my illicit stockpile of verbotten bulbs whilst quietly reading down in der Bunker... I wonder if I will have to "register" them... Wer'e in the right place. Incandescent bulbs will become collectables, eBay price wars will abound, and the person who dies with the most unused bulbs will be thanked by his heirs ;-) Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002501ca656d$ed0a3430$229e480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Warrior Song Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:03:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'd like to share the Warrior song with you if you haven't heard it. And I'd like to share with you how stupid that is, the same kind of mind muddling garbage that caused 19 jihadists to trash America on 9/11. We don't need to sink to the level of the maniacs that plague this world. Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ From: WA5CAB@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:25:09 EST Subject: Need Telephone # For Harris RF Communications To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d5f.5d6a131a.38307a35_boundary" --part1_d5f.5d6a131a.38307a35_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Groups, I'm trying to ship a Harris CU-2310 to a ham in Australia. I seldom fiddle with anything this new so don't usually worry about export controls. Having heard a few horrow tales I decided I'd better make sure there weren't any restrictions I had to deal with. After being routed here and there across the continent by various Feds, one told me I should start with Harris. According to the nameplate on the Tuner, they were in Rochester when they built it. Does anyone know whether they still are and if so or not, does anyone have a phone number handy for them? Robert Downs - Houston wa5cab dot com (Web Store) MVPA 9480 --part1_d5f.5d6a131a.38307a35_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --part1_d5f.5d6a131a.38307a35_boundary-- ------------------------------ Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:37:07 -0800 To: Old Tube Radios From: Scott Robinson Subject: Re: LED traffic signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" and Scott comments: You entirely missed the point: the signal is still visible when in failure mode if some of the LEDs are still lit. /scott At 2:46 AM -0800 11/14/09, Arden Allen wrote: > > As to burnout, at least *some* of the LEDS are still on, better than a >burned out bulb. > >That does nothing for the replacment cost. They get replaced before the >rest of the LED's go > >Arden Allen >KB6NAX > >Adopt a shelter dog, >save an innocent life, >and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4B002BE5.5020906@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:27:17 -0700 From: "Herbert M. Rosenthal" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Type of bulb (lamp) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only problem I have with the new flourescents vs standard incandescents is the time it takes for the former to reach maximum light output. The standard bulbs reach maximum output almost immediately; the others take up to a minute. I have also noticed the flourescents last longer when used outside; I have 2 in a photocell fixture and they have run for about 2 years, whereas the standards were good for a year at most-summer or winter. Oh, yes: the life of a standard bulb as printed on its carton is a hoax-you pay more for 2000 hour bulbs than for a 1000 hour bulb, but I rarely get 1000 hours from either-another sales gimmick. Of course I've never left one on for 1000 hours, and as with other electric things such as tubes, it's the on-off that wears them down. In the Air Force we used to preflight the radar, perhaps an hour before flight, them leave them running from a power cart...this increased the radar's life over turning it on and off and on again prior to takeoff. Herb W5AN ------------------------------ From: mac To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Warrior Song Message-Id: <4F841264-5C00-4E7C-9F23-EED9145EDD36@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:13:38 -0800 Cc: Old Tube Radios Right on Arden! Dennis D. W7QHO Glendale, CA On Nov 14, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Arden Allen wrote: >> I'd like to share the Warrior song with you if you haven't heard it. > > And I'd like to share with you how stupid that is, the same kind of > mind > muddling garbage that caused 19 jihadists to trash America on 9/11. > We > don't need to sink to the level of the maniacs that plague this world. > > Arden Allen > KB6NAX > > Adopt a shelter dog, > save an innocent life, > and make a friend forever =:-) > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0F3C39B6C65143919C3EC926B8EF5EFD@boudreaux> From: "David Stinson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Warrior Song Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:23:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Adopt a shelter dog, >> Free fish bait! (snicker!) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4B019612.7080506@lucent.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:12:34 -0600 From: John J Mccarty MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Gonset II with 6BG7 schematic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Awhile back someone was looking for a schematic for a Gonset II that used= a 6BG7 pencil tube (a Gonset II Deluxe model). One of the local folk here found = a copy and another friend put it in PDF format. If someone needs a copy, let me = know and I=92ll email it out. 73 John n9hrt ------------------------------ End of BOATANCHORS Digest 4298 ******************************