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Tue Dec 8 19:24:51 2009 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:23:53 CST From: Old Tube Radios To: Old Tube Radios Subject: BOATANCHORS digest 4301 Message-Id: <20091209012451.B9AE819B1F@sco.theporch.com> BOATANCHORS Digest 4301 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hallicrafters S-36 Problems by "Michael Hardie" 2) by ray jefferson 3) RME DB-22A by "Gary Harmon" 4) Need Pierson KP-81 info by Art Lebermann 5) RE: Need Pierson KP-81 info by "Singley, Rodger" 6) FA: Radio "Mill" Typewriter, National SW-3 Receiver by Richard Dillman 7) Hereford.ampr.org by Jerry Proc 8) J-38 key f/s by "Bob Kemp" 9) $$$$ Bug by "JAMES HANLON" 10) Best First Rig..? by John Poulton 11) Re: $$$$ Bug by Tom Norris 12) Re: Best First Rig..? by "Arden Allen" 13) Re: Best First Rig..? by wb3fau@att.net 14) Re: Best First Rig..? by "Arden Allen" 15) Lookingfor a National NC-2TS Speaker by William Watson 16) Zenith by "ka5den" 17) Re: Zenith by Scott Robinson 18) Re: Zenith by aafradio 19) Re: Zenith by "Jim Isbell, W5JAI" 20) Re: Zenith by Al Klase 21) Looking for National NC-2CS Speaker for NC-2-40C by "Joe Watson" 22) Looking for National NC-2CS Speaker for NC-2-40C by "Joe Watson" 23) Re: Zenith by "David Stinson" 24) Re: Zenith by "Arden Allen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <70B9E496ED78468983850C5716088FAE@userd0315415c7> From: "Michael Hardie" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Hallicrafters S-36 Problems Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:14:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to get a Hallicrafters S-36 working, the IF and audio sections appear to be OK now, but the RF section is a different story. I'm using a downloaded RBK manual for reference, the tube socket resistances and voltages are OK. There's nothing visible on the 'scope from the oscillator, not on any band or with any control setting. Changing the 955 tube doesn't make any difference. Anyone have any ideas on what to do next? Mike VE7MMH ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:21:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: From: ray jefferson To: Old Tube Radios Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Greetings:I am an old subscriber to Boatanchors but have not been active for some time. Can you bring me up to date on re-subscribing fees and procedures etc? Thanks for your help. W7fni..... Since 1934 ------------------------------ From: "Gary Harmon" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RME DB-22A Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:59:57 -0600 Message-ID: <005101ca7303$e9c92490$bd5b6db0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA72D1.9F2EB490" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA72D1.9F2EB490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone out there in BA Land who is familiar with the tuning shaft assembly? 73, Gary H. Harmon, Jr. - K5JWK 6003 Archwood San Antonio, TX 78239-1504 210.657.1549h 210.884.6926c ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA72D1.9F2EB490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA72D1.9F2EB490-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <18638023.1259827174855.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:59:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Art Lebermann To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Need Pierson KP-81 info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone on the list restored a Pierson KP-81 receiver? Any suggestions or comments would be much appreciated. 73, Art Lebermann W6REQ ------------------------------ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Need Pierson KP-81 info Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:32:10 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Singley, Rodger" To: Old Tube Radios Art, I have a couple of them. The manual and other information I have is = uploaded to BAMA. The only "trick" is working on the front end. The two IF sub-chassis = unplug for easy access but to get the front end out you need to remove = the sliding coil catacomb, unsolder multiple leads from the two tuning = capacitors, and then release several bolts to remove the assembly. Once = it is out you will need a long curved tip on your soldering iron to = reach in and remove several leads necessary to separate the two assembly = case halves. It is full of wax paper caps so it will need attention and = plan on spending about 8 hours total for this part. The rest is very = simple. The only issue is this receiver uses mostly loctal tubes and you will = probably find a few socket pins that do not make good contact and will = need cleaning. If you find any broken contacts you can replace these = with donors from another loctal socket without having to replace or even = remove the damaged socket. The KP-81 works very well once restored. Mine is paired with a Viking = 500 and gets a lot of usage on AM and CW. While you have the front end apart, I would replace every passive = component in there so you will hopefully never have to take it apart = again. It appears that in building this part of the receiver the = connections were all made and soldered before the tube sockets and = terminal strips were riveted into place. This allowed them to have very = short connections in this part of the receiver but it certainly makes = servicing difficult. I think you will enjoy your receiver once it is restored. 73, Rodger WQ9E -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com on behalf of Art Lebermann Sent: Thu 12/3/2009 1:59 AM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Need Pierson KP-81 info =20 Has anyone on the list restored a Pierson KP-81 receiver? Any = suggestions or comments would be much appreciated. 73, Art Lebermann W6REQ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <22784027.1259891659202.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:54:19 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Dillman To: Old Tube Radios Subject: FA: Radio "Mill" Typewriter, National SW-3 Receiver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who may be interested, I have listed two items for sale on eBay: Vintage portable L C Smith & Corona radio mill typewriter. eBay item number 330383504039. National SW-3 receiver with dog house power supply and coils. eBay item number 330383514778 Thanks, RD ================================= Richard Dillman, W6AWO Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM Maritime Radio Historical Society http://www.radiomarine.org ================================= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <386231.28602.qm@web112318.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:46:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Proc Subject: Hereford.ampr.org To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Everyone, The Hereford Military list web site is no longer accessible. http://hereford.ampr.org Does anyone know if this is just a temporary condition such as a server problem? Just curious. -- Regards, Jerry Proc E-mail: jerry7proc@yahoo.com __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4DA83FAE94BA45B1BFE0DB5EE2BD4F93@robert7549ca67> From: "Bob Kemp" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: J-38 key f/s Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:09:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA76A7.A1457460" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA76A7.A1457460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have a Lionel J-38 Key for sale $35.00 shipped in the U.S. Bob wa0vrc ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA76A7.A1457460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA76A7.A1457460-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "JAMES HANLON" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: $$$$ Bug Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:41:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AC_01CA7742.FEFE8380" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01CA7742.FEFE8380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know why this ratty bug sold for more than $3K? Jim, W8KGI http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D320454169943&ssPageN= ame=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_924 ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01CA7742.FEFE8380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01CA7742.FEFE8380-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:16:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Poulton To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Best First Rig..? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed This question is actually a bit off-topic, and I apologize for that, but.. I'll ask it anyway. Got a query from a random person who's interested in getting involved in amateur radio for the first time, and would like to acquire a transceiver to get started with, but on a limited budget. I guessed that a 5-10 year old rice-box would be the best bet. Do any of you have a suggestion for a reliable rig that might sell for a few hundred bucks that represents the best "first rig" these days..? We don't need to start the "thread from hell" here.. just a few suggestions sent to me off-list would be great! Thanks, and 73, John K4OZY -- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: $$$$ Bug Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tom Norris Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:25:46 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7DE0C4CD-B506-40D9-8CA4-5E4860531ACB@gmail.com> To: Old Tube Radios I can't answer that, but have any of you seen a "BELCHER" key before? Listed as item 180440214283 (look closely at the pic...) FWIW this=20 particular guy is honest and I've bought things from him. Though=20 he's a good seller, he's not always a good SPELLER. heehee 73 Tp, ("Tom" but when I get in a hurry, my fingers usually slip over a row on = the KBD... LOL) On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:41 PM, JAMES HANLON wrote: > Does anyone know why this ratty bug sold for more than $3K? >=20 > Jim, W8KGI >=20 > ebay item 320454169943 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004301ca7795$b3a4e0c0$209f480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Best First Rig..? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:33:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Got a query from a random person who's interested in getting involved in amateur > radio for the first time, and would like to acquire a transceiver to get > started with, ....... If you are in contact with the person try to find out what his inspiration is to become a ham. Digital modes, emergency response, moon bounce, DXing, ratchet jawing, etc. Then point him in the direction of appropriate rigs, antennas, software, whatevers. Take the effort to do this and make a friend instead of ending up as "that crazy old ham." Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ From: wb3fau@att.net To: Old Tube Radios Cc: "Arden Allen" Subject: Re: Best First Rig..? Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:22:48 +0000 Message-Id: <120820090222.17578.4B1DB87800084F08000044AA22193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9A0E00CC0D99@att.net> "that crazy old ham"- you mean Arden? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001e01ca7840$08980120$b89e480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Best First Rig..? Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:35:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "that crazy old ham"- you mean Arden? > 807's to you too! Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <625353.21404.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: William Watson Subject: Lookingfor a National NC-2TS Speaker To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-230095556-1260303934=:21404" --0-230095556-1260303934=:21404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone have a National NC-2TS speaker you would part with?=A0 I am restorin= g an NC 2-40C. =A0 Joe W5WBR --0-230095556-1260303934=:21404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --0-230095556-1260303934=:21404-- ------------------------------ From: "ka5den" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Zenith Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:47:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need a sch dia for a Zenith Model H725, Serial G-289984, Chassis 7G01Z. If anyone has one I will be happy to pay. Ka5den at argontech.net George KA5DEN 10X 74681 ------------------------------ Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:57:32 -0800 To: Old Tube Radios From: Scott Robinson Subject: Re: Zenith Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi George, SOrry, but what's a "sch dia"? Peace, Scott At 4:47 PM -0600 12/8/09, ka5den wrote: >I need a sch dia for a Zenith Model H725, Serial G-289984, Chassis 7G01Z. >If anyone has one I will be happy to pay. > >Ka5den at argontech.net > >George KA5DEN >10X 74681 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4B1EE33F.3050204@aafradio.org> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:37:35 -0500 From: aafradio MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios CC: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Zenith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An age old engineering shorthand...SCHedule of DIAmeters, outlining the punch dimensions of all of the holes in the chassis. :-D Sorry, couldn't resist. I never cease to be amazed at the perceived savings in time by posters through the use of four or five less letters. After forty years with the DoD, I thought I was immune to the effects of acronyms, but no...it seems to get worse with age. Scott Robinson wrote: > SOrry, but what's a "sch dia"? > > At 4:47 PM -0600 12/8/09, ka5den wrote: >> I need a sch dia for a Zenith Model H725, Serial G-289984, Chassis >> 7G01Z. >> If anyone has one I will be happy to pay. ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Jim Isbell, W5JAI" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:09:51 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zenith To: Old Tube Radios Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When some young whippersnapper asks me for my "Social" I reply, "Its pretty good for my age but I have avoided STDs." Then when they explain to me they want my Social Security Number I reply, "Well, why didnt you say so?" I am offended by the NewsSpeak that people now speak. Its "1984" coming somewhat late. Even the news reporters on TV, who should use perfect English, make really bad errors, like referring to the "apron" on an airport as "the Tarmack" when most often it is actually "Concrete" and not "Tarmack" at all. That all started with the airplane hijacking in Europe about 20 years ago when the European news refered to the plane being on "the Tarmack". It was, but the American news people wanted to sound cool and European so they picked up the phrase to refer to the Apron, not knowing it was refering to the pavement type. Ill bet Europeans are laughing their posteriors off over that one. They are always mispronouncing words, like Uranus, the planet. They would rather call it "Your Un Us" than refer to it as "Your Ain Us". I think the "Tarmack" for "Asphalt" and the "Your un us" for "Your ain us" may be a sexual hang up that makes them want to refrain from referring to your posterior. Maybe they should say "Your-Posterior" for the planet and "Posterior-Fault" to refer to the pavement. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM, aafradio wrote: > An age old engineering shorthand...SCHedule of DIAmeters, outlining the > punch dimensions of all of the holes in the chassis. :-D > > Sorry, couldn't resist. =A0I never cease to be amazed at the perceived sa= vings > in time by posters through the use of four or five less letters. =A0After > forty years with the DoD, I thought I was immune to the effects of acrony= ms, > but no...it seems to get worse with age. > > Scott Robinson wrote: >> >> SOrry, but what's a "sch dia"? >> >> At 4:47 PM -0600 12/8/09, ka5den wrote: >>> >>> I need a sch dia for a Zenith Model H725, Serial G-289984, Chassis 7G01= Z. >>> If anyone has one I will be happy to pay. > > --=20 Jim Isbell "If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space." ------------------------------ Message-id: <4B1EEDAD.2050107@ar88.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:22:05 +0000 From: Al Klase MIME-version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Zenith Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It's on Nostalgia Air. (All the Rider's manuals.) Set a book mark! http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/ Al ka5den wrote: > I need a sch dia for a Zenith Model H725, Serial G-289984, Chassis 7G01Z. > If anyone has one I will be happy to pay. > > Ka5den at argontech.net > > George KA5DEN > 10X 74681 > -- Al Klase - N3FRQ Jersey City, NJ http://www.skywaves.ar88.net/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <84AC8D50B6044296AD01A0F4F158459F@JoePC> From: "Joe Watson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Looking for National NC-2CS Speaker for NC-2-40C Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:37:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01CA7835.89E3FBE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CA7835.89E3FBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for a National NC-2CS speaker for an NC-2-40C. Anyone have one you would part with? Joe W5WBR ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CA7835.89E3FBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CA7835.89E3FBE0-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3637CE149F284317AB85BB8310082C18@JoePC> From: "Joe Watson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Looking for National NC-2CS Speaker for NC-2-40C Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:37:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7835.91354E30" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7835.91354E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for a National NC-2CS speaker for an NC-2-40C. Anyone have one you would part with? Joe W5WBR ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7835.91354E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7835.91354E30-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6673942719164F689DFCEC0B956EEF0C@boudreaux> From: "David Stinson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Zenith Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:45:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Isbell, W5JAI" Subject: Re: Zenith I am offended by the NewsSpeak that people now speak. Its "1984" coming somewhat late. Even the news reporters on TV,... The one that really bugs me is when they talk of a defendant entering a plea, they say he "pleaded." What happened to "pled??" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002f01ca786e$0d692250$359f480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Zenith Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:22:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The one that really bugs me is when they talk of > a defendant entering a plea, they say he "pleaded." > What happened to "pled??" My favorite is when the TV news reports the police have have picked up a crime suspect the clod on the street interview subject refers to the suspect as a "gentleman." Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ End of BOATANCHORS Digest 4301 ******************************