20100114.ba v04_n307.bam.20100114 >From ???@??? Thu Jan 14 14:35:58 2010 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:35:54 GMT From: Old Tube Radios To: Old Tube Radios Subject: BOATANCHORS digest 4307 Message-Id: <20100114203554.E8C4F2411C6@minime.theporch.com> BOATANCHORS Digest 4307 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) FS: Lot of Hints and Kinks by john 2) Panoramic RF-7 Tuning Head by "Jay H. Miller" 3) Ebay Whazzit key (link provided) by john 4) RE: Panoramic RF-7 Tuning Head by "Morris Odell" 5) RE: Ebay Whazzit key (link provided) by "Bill Hawkins" 6) A tale of two auctions. by john 7) RE: Ebay Whazzit key (link provided) by "A Parker" 8) Fw: CX Announcement & Sept 09 Newsletter by "JAMES HANLON" 9) Status Update on Mailman by Mail List Owner 10) HRO Coils by "Wilson Lamb" 11) FW: U.S. Loran C Will Be Shutting Down In February by Jerry Proc 12) HRO-M Coil Work by "Wilson Lamb" 13) boatanchor unpacking hint by Nick England 14) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by Heinz Breuer 15) RE: boatanchor unpacking hint by "Comarow, Avery" 16) KSM/K6KPH Schedule 1/20 - 1/23 by Richard Dillman 17) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by "Arden Allen" 18) RE: boatanchor unpacking hint by "Comarow, Avery" 19) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by k8mfo@aol.com 20) Re: boatanchor unpacking hint by john 21) RE: boatanchor unpacking hint by "Comarow, Avery" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20100103134858.039be4e0@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:54:01 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: FS: Lot of Hints and Kinks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have a stack of ARRL Hints and Kinks V2 (1937) V3 (1945) V4 (1949) V5 (1954) V6 (1959) V7 (1965) and V9 (1974) All are complete and in average or better condition. Pix available . $40 plus actual ship. Paypal preferred. John K5MO ------------------------------ Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:13 -0600 To: Old Tube Radios From: "Jay H. Miller" Subject: Panoramic RF-7 Tuning Head Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This rather interesting 19" rack-mount device=20 followed me home this afternoon from a friend's=20 junk room. Manufactured by Panoramic Radio Products=20 (remember the famous Panadaptor") it appears to=20 be a master oscillator tuning from 2 to 40 mHz in=20 five bands. Google search yields some info that=20 is may be part of a Spectrum Analyzer (SPA-1 or=20 greater) built by that company ca. 1955-1960. Has a PTO of some kind in the center and a large=20 multi-gang air variable inside. Power supply and=20 tuned sections. Bult like a tank. Variable RF=20 output with a meter. No obvious mods and is in=20 very good shape except that the dial is stuck.=20 Only one output jack-- BNC. I was thinking it might have enough juice to drive an exciter. Anybody have any more information on this creature? *********** jay@kk5im.com *********** Jay H. Miller, KK5IM Dallas, Texas NRA * ARRL * DXCC * S.A.S.S. #34,692 32=B0 AASR * MVPA #25,180 Website: http://www.kk5im.com ***** Proud to be 100% Macintosh since 1984! ***** ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20100103185722.030b47f0@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:58:18 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: Ebay Whazzit key (link provided) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://tinyurl.com/yhw5z2f My best guess was something involving half of a can opener... What's your guess??!! John K5MO ------------------------------ From: "Morris Odell" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: Panoramic RF-7 Tuning Head Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:25:22 +1100 Message-ID: <000001ca8d06$b1f25790$15d706b0$@net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-au Hi Jay, I had one of these for a while. It came with a Singer - Panoramic Sb-12 "Panalyzer" which was a very early type of spectrum analyser developed = from the Panadaptors that were pioneered by the company. The RF tuning head = was a VFO which mixed with an incoming frequency in the first stage of the Panalyzer to bring it into the bandpass of the 500 khz input of the analyser. I used the Sb-12 as a panoramic adaptor for some receivers I = had with 500 KHz IFs including a 51J4. I gave it away with that radio a few years ago in a swap for a nearly new FRR-59A. The Sb-12 made a fine panadaptor. The RF-7 was a useless accessory as far as I was concerned especially since it only ran from 115V which is an inconvenience in this 240V country. =20 73 and Happy New Year Morris VK3DOC in sunny Melbourne, Asutralia =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com = [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] On Behalf Of Jay H. Miller Sent: Monday, 4 January 2010 11:22 AM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Panoramic RF-7 Tuning Head This rather interesting 19" rack-mount device=20 followed me home this afternoon from a friend's=20 junk room. Manufactured by Panoramic Radio Products=20 (remember the famous Panadaptor") it appears to=20 be a master oscillator tuning from 2 to 40 mHz in=20 five bands. Google search yields some info that=20 is may be part of a Spectrum Analyzer (SPA-1 or=20 greater) built by that company ca. 1955-1960. Has a PTO of some kind in the center and a large=20 multi-gang air variable inside. Power supply and=20 tuned sections. Bult like a tank. Variable RF=20 output with a meter. No obvious mods and is in=20 very good shape except that the dial is stuck.=20 Only one output jack-- BNC. I was thinking it might have enough juice to drive an exciter. Anybody have any more information on this creature? *********** jay@kk5im.com *********** Jay H. Miller, KK5IM Dallas, Texas NRA * ARRL * DXCC * S.A.S.S. #34,692 32=B0 AASR * MVPA #25,180 Website: http://www.kk5im.com ***** Proud to be 100% Macintosh since 1984! ***** ------------------------------ From: "Bill Hawkins" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: Ebay Whazzit key (link provided) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:40:49 -0600 Message-ID: <43EC3947D67840DEA429C9A08A190073@cyrus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, The thing with two coils at the top is an old doorbell buzzer. The highly original key uses a roller to contact one of two posts. Seems like the roller would slow down the keying action, but maybe it was used with a keyer to produce dots from one post and dashes from the other. If I was at all interested in different ways of keying, I wouldn't let that go for $10. Don't know the seller and won't bid on it, etc. Bill Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: john Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:58 PM http://tinyurl.com/yhw5z2f My best guess was something involving half of a can opener... What's your guess??!! John K5MO ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20100104072640.037e1c70@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:30:22 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: A tale of two auctions. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed So I bid on this, even though it wasn't complete, somewhat half heartedly and didn't win it (note price) : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310191146460 and my addiction enabling buddy Nick gave me the heads up on THIS, which I did not bid on (note price) So many boatanchors, so little space... John K5MO ------------------------------ From: "A Parker" Message-ID: <3D.85.07778.435D14B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: Ebay Whazzit key (link provided) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 06:46:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, and it's kinda like half of a sideswiper. Didn't blow up the pix, but in one view it might even be a double pole switch. Al, W8UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] On Behalf Of john Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:58 PM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Ebay Whazzit key (link provided) http://tinyurl.com/yhw5z2f My best guess was something involving half of a can opener... What's your guess??!! John K5MO ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "JAMES HANLON" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Fw: CX Announcement & Sept 09 Newsletter Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA9230.92B7E050" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA9230.92B7E050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope to see you on the CX. Jim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J.D. MacAulay, WQ8U=20 To: Jim W8KGI=20 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:35 PM Subject: CX Announcement & Sept 09 Newsletter I am pleased to announce that the CX Newsletter from the September = 2009 CX and the announcement for the upcoming January 31 and February 14 = CX Sundays are on the CX website http://qsl.asti.com/CX Please spread the word so we have a big turnout. 73 & CU in CX Mac WQ8U Hillsborough, NC=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA9230.92B7E050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA9230.92B7E050-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4B4B2DD2.9000409@nanniandjack.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:55:30 -0800 From: Mail List Owner MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Status Update on Mailman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are getting much closer to having the list ready to migrate. I want to thank all of you who have expressed gratitude for the list, and especially to thank those of you who have experience with MailMan and who have volunteered assistance with configuration suggestions and the like... Let me know how I can help -- 73 Jack, W4KH/Mobile - - - Mailing List Archiver/Owner - - - listown@nanniandjack.com - "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose" "Il n'y a que les idiots qui ne changent jamais d'idee" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9EF6676F965B4C57BE03A44C0E1FA9AC@wilsonspc> From: "Wilson Lamb" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Subject: HRO Coils Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:22:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I have come into a great HRO-M, in a rack with AC and DC PS. Now the rub; It's OK on 80, usable on 40, but then the tuning is really fast. I haven't even listened to the 14-30 MHz coils, which have a whopping 28 KHz/div on the dial! We have it on good authority, a QST ad from Jim Hanlon (2/46, p 79), that National at least offered to sell bandspread coils for the M, as for the 5, 7, etc. Has anyone ever seen any of these, or are they solid unobtainium! If I can't find some, I think I'll just mount my HRO-7R in the rack and let the M be an ornament. Of course it's good enough to qualify for CX and earn me a 65 year multiplier! That will be its first real duty. 73, Wilson W4BOH ------------------------------ Message-ID: <319684.13014.qm@web112301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:02:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Proc Subject: FW: U.S. Loran C Will Be Shutting Down In February To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Everyone, At this time, the current administration is going shut down LORAN-C and the eLORAN upgrades, leaving domestic users without a suitable backup to GPS. If anyone wants to record a sample of the 100 KHz transmissions now is the time to do it before this navigation system is consigned to history's scrap heap. ********************************************************************* ----- Forwarded message from Seventeenth Coast Guard District LNM Notification ----- Subject: SPECIAL NOTICE TERMINATION OF ALL U.S. LORAN-C SIGNALS Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:43:30 -0500 From: Seventeenth Coast Guard District LNM Notification SPECIAL NOTICE SUBJ: TERMINATION OF ALL U.S. LORAN-C SIGNALS 1. IAW THE 2010 DHS APPROPRIATIONS ACT, THE U.S. COAST GUARD WILL TERMINATE THE TRANSMISSION OF ALL U.S. LORAN-C SIGNALS EFFECTIVE 2000Z 08 FEB 2010. AT THAT TIME, THE U.S. LORAN-C SIGNAL WILL BE UNUSABLE AND PERMANENTLY DISCONTINUED. THIS TERMINATION DOES NOT AFFECT U.S. PARTICIPATION IN THE RUSSIAN-AMERICAN OR CANADIAN LORAN-C CHAINS. U.S. PARTICIPATION IN THESE CHAINS WILL CONTINUE TEMPORARILY IN ACCORDANCE WITH INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS. -- Regards, Jerry Proc E-mail: jerry7proc@yahoo.com __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Wilson Lamb" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Subject: HRO-M Coil Work Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:21:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've gotten into the idea of rigging bandspread coils for my HRO-M. I'm well on the way to understanding the coil circuitry and its interaction with the main chassis. It appears that all the coils were made the same way, whatever style can they were in. I see how to install the needed components, but determining the proper values and finding the trimmer cap that can be set from outside are nontrivial jobs. SO, I'm looking for A,B, or C coil sets that are inexpensive, even damaged in some way. I can mount the phenolic coil plates in my cans, realign, and be up with bandspread. I'll check the usual places, of course, but if you know of some please let me know. 73, Wilson W4BOH ------------------------------ MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:36:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: boatanchor unpacking hint From: Nick England To: Old Tube Radios Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Maybe everyone but me knows this - I unpacked a boatanchor yesterday that had been cushioned with white insulation foam - the kind that breaks up into little static-charged beads that get all over everything and won't let go. So I got some Scotch packing tape and made a sticky-side-out loop to pick up some foam beads off the gear, floor, etc. Works really super! - the tape had a static charge too and the foam beads would just leap onto it, while the sticky held them there. When the tape is covered just toss it away and make a new one. No more shaking your foam-covered paws over the trash can hoping some of those damn beads will accidentally land inside. cheers, Nick K4NYW www.navy-radio.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4B4F56B7.7060008@debitel.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:39:03 +0100 From: Heinz Breuer MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios CC: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me just add a plea to all sellers: First of all please put the boatanchor in a plastic bag and seal it with tape well and tight. I got so many boatanchors with peanuts and foam beads everywhere. Just a plastic bag even a garbage bag would have avoided all the mess. Thank you vy 73 Heinz DH2FA, KM5VT Nick England schrieb: > Maybe everyone but me knows this - > I unpacked a boatanchor yesterday that had been cushioned with > white insulation foam - the kind that breaks up into little > static-charged beads that get all over everything and won't let go. > So I got some Scotch packing tape and made a sticky-side-out loop > to pick up some foam beads off the gear, floor, etc. Works really > super! - the tape had a static charge too and the foam beads would > just leap onto it, while the sticky held them there. > When the tape is covered just toss it away and make a new one. No > more shaking your foam-covered paws over the trash can hoping some of > those damn beads will accidentally land inside. > cheers, > Nick K4NYW > www.navy-radio.com > > > ------------------------------ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:53:38 -0500 Message-ID: <5DB55C95EDBFFA4383CE672594D7E0D20563CD0E@EXCHANGE.usn.root.ent> From: "Comarow, Avery" To: Old Tube Radios =20 Yup, been doing that for years. Why didn't you ask me? ; > Avery W3AVE Potomac, Md. -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] On Behalf Of Nick England Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:36 AM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: boatanchor unpacking hint Maybe everyone but me knows this - I unpacked a boatanchor yesterday that had been cushioned with white insulation foam - the kind that breaks up into little static-charged beads that get all over everything and won't let go. So I got some Scotch packing tape and made a sticky-side-out loop to pick up some foam beads off the gear, floor, etc. Works really super! - the tape had a static charge too and the foam beads would just leap onto it, while the sticky held them there. When the tape is covered just toss it away and make a new one. No more shaking your foam-covered paws over the trash can hoping some of those damn beads will accidentally land inside. cheers, Nick K4NYW www.navy-radio.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2619106.1263494817546.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:57 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Dillman To: Old Tube Radios Subject: KSM/K6KPH Schedule 1/20 - 1/23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The MRHS is participating with the Point Reyes National Seashore in their Winter Special Events program. On Wednesday, 1/20 we will be hosting a special open house at the KPH receive site at Point Reyes. Bill Ruck of the Transmitter Department will present a slide show while Denice Stoops and myself of the Operations Department will have both KSM and K6KPH on the air (see http://www.radiomarine.org for frequencies). Full tours of the receive site will be available. The event is open to the public. If you've wanted to visit the station this may be your chance to combine that visit with the opportunity to explore the beautiful Point Reyes National Seashore. The event will be held from 2:00pm to 4:00pm at the receive site at 17400 Sir Francis Drake Blvd. For details please see: http://www.nps.gov/pwr/customcf/apps/eventcalendar/events/poreevent63217204.html We look forward to seeing you. ----- On Saturday 1/23 K6KPH will be unavailable and KSM will be on broadcast-only status (we will not be listening for calls from ships) on both CW and RTTY. VY 73, RD ================================= Richard Dillman, W6AWO Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM Maritime Radio Historical Society http://www.radiomarine.org ================================= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01ca9551$90cf1320$ad9e480c@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: "Old Tube Radios" Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:41:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Let me just add a plea to all sellers: First of all please put the > boatanchor in a plastic bag ....... This world is turning into one large dump for plastics. The oceans are full of it killing all sorts of marine life. Plastic bags are floating through the air, hardly a mile goes by and you don't risk having one stuck on the front of your car. The snotty little school age neighborhood bastards dump plastic wrappers and bottles on the streets and our front lawns...... Anyway, I wrap things I ship in kitchen stretch wrap. It works well to hold bits of this and that that I place over glass dials and around protruding objects like toggle switches to protect them from the effects of the brown suits playing basketball with packages. For larger equipment you can use stretch wrap from your home improvement warehouse. Speaking of styroafoam peanuts, recently one of my dogs got into my basement and hauled a garbage bag full of peanuts into the backyard and spread them about. Fortunately I discovered the disaster before the morning winds started kicking up. I had a handyman over the next day to install a new basement door. Arden Allen KB6NAX Adopt a shelter dog, save an innocent life, and make a friend forever =:-) ------------------------------ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:51:07 -0500 Message-ID: <5DB55C95EDBFFA4383CE672594D7E0D20563CD1B@EXCHANGE.usn.root.ent> From: "Comarow, Avery" To: Old Tube Radios Agree with Arden on the utility of the plastic wrap. I'd add that it is available as a roll on a dispenser (like the ones used for packaging tape) with a smaller width than Saran Wrap et al. It's much more convenient to throw a few layers around a small cabinet or oddly shaped item than trying to wrestle the right length out of a kitchen roll. Avery W3AVE ------------------------------ From: k8mfo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:18:33 EST Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d013.74ba2d82.3880d619_boundary" --part1_d013.74ba2d82.3880d619_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This thread is very pertinent! Its also very redundant to many of you who do a wonderful job of packing the treasures that are so enjoyable to us. I have always felt that the "styrofoam peanuts" as well as sheets, represent two of the biggest "frauds" ever perpetrated upon mankind! Well, MAYBE not quite that bad, but they are essentially useless. I rely on two of my college roommates, both of whom were packaging engineers for major companies to back me up on my comment! I used to also be a fairly serious key collector, and I could tell you plenty of horror stories about "peanuts", and likewise with the "sheets" when sending keys or boatanchors. At present I am a letter manager volunteer for the 8th Area QSL Bureau, and I always cringe when my shipments of cards are bathed in peanuts! Out to the backyard I go to get rid of that residue! Anyway, I digress. Plastic garbage bags, stretch wrap, or whatever are SOP when I send anything out, along with copious amounts of bubble wrap, supplemented with double or triple boxing, plain old cardboard and wadded newspaper. Years ago I knew a beautiful UPS driver (caught your attention, didn't I?) , who highly recommended wadded newspaper for packing. Her advice was heeded. Likewise, the use of old corrugated boxes, to protect front panels, is good. As experienced packers say, pack for "no rattles", and always assume that King Kong and/or his relatives will handle your package at each point in transit! I have sent 32V3 transmitters to Thailand, HRO-50 and Collins 75A4 receivers to Europe, and telegraph keys all over the world. Cross my fingers, but my only two casualties were with a Kenwood VFO-230 sent to California via UPS and a Japanese "coffin bug" sent to Colorado via the Post Office. King Kong had found both of these items, and I could have done nothing to prevent their destruction. On the good side, in spite of me sending packing advice to a fellow in Australia, with extra funds for materials, an uncommon 5 pound telegraph bug was sent to me in nothing but a padded envelope. It arrived in perfect condition. Now that is LUCK! Don Karvonen K8MFO --part1_d013.74ba2d82.3880d619_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --part1_d013.74ba2d82.3880d619_boundary-- ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20100114154235.044a7480@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:43:22 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Pack as ye would have packeth unto you! The 11the Commandment John K5MO ------------------------------ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: boatanchor unpacking hint Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:35:43 -0500 Message-ID: <5DB55C95EDBFFA4383CE672594D7E0D20563CD1F@EXCHANGE.usn.root.ent> From: "Comarow, Avery" To: Old Tube Radios =20 Whatever works and floats your boat, but wadded-up newspaper?? Maybe for lightweight stuff, but I'll use that only as stuffing under the hood to keep tubes from jarring loose. What does work for heavy gear, and doesn't create those !!%?@!! staticky crumbs, is the rigid pink foam sheets used for insulating walls. It comes in various thicknesses, can be carved with a utility knife, and is much more dense than styrofoam, meaning that while it does create small bits when being cut, it won't generate them in the carton. All of this assumes that you don't want to opt for foam-in-place, which is great but pricey, and no, I will NOT try it at home with the insulation in a can. I know my limits. Avery -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] On Behalf Of k8mfo@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: boatanchor unpacking hint This thread is very pertinent! Its also very redundant to many of you who do a wonderful job of packing the treasures that are so enjoyable to us. =20 I have always felt that the "styrofoam peanuts" as well as sheets, =20 represent two of the biggest "frauds" ever perpetrated upon mankind! Well,=20 MAYBE not quite that bad, but they are essentially useless. I rely on two of=20 my college roommates, both of whom were packaging engineers for major=20 companies to back me up on my comment! I used to also be a fairly serious=20 key collector, and I could tell you plenty of horror stories about "peanuts",=20 and likewise with the "sheets" when sending keys or boatanchors. At=20 present I am a letter manager volunteer for the 8th Area QSL Bureau, and I=20 always cringe when my shipments of cards are bathed in peanuts! Out to the =20 backyard I go to get rid of that residue! Anyway, I digress. =20 Plastic garbage bags, stretch wrap, or whatever are SOP when I send anything out, along with copious amounts of bubble wrap, supplemented with double=20 or triple boxing, plain old cardboard and wadded newspaper. Years ago I=20 knew a beautiful UPS driver (caught your attention, didn't I?) , who=20 highly recommended wadded newspaper for packing. Her advice was heeded. =20 Likewise, the use of old corrugated boxes, to protect front panels, is good.=20 As experienced packers say, pack for "no rattles", and always=20 assume that King Kong and/or his relatives will handle your package at each point in transit! =20 I have sent 32V3 transmitters to Thailand, HRO-50 and Collins 75A4 =20 receivers to Europe, and telegraph keys all over the world. Cross my fingers,=20 but my only two casualties were with a Kenwood VFO-230 sent to California via UPS and a Japanese "coffin bug" sent to Colorado via the Post Office. =20 King Kong had found both of these items, and I could have done nothing to prevent their destruction. =20 On the good side, in spite of me sending packing advice to a fellow in Australia, with extra funds for materials, an uncommon 5 pound telegraph bug was sent to me in nothing but a padded envelope. It arrived in perfect =20 condition. Now that is LUCK! =20 =20 Don Karvonen K8MFO =20 =20 ------------------------------ End of BOATANCHORS Digest 4307 ******************************