20100208.ba v04_n313.bam.20100208 >From ???@??? Mon Feb 8 17:14:19 2010 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:14:14 CST From: Old Tube Radios To: Old Tube Radios Subject: BOATANCHORS digest 4313 Message-Id: <20100208231415.453462251F5@minime.theporch.com> BOATANCHORS Digest 4313 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) 51J4 rehab by "Jim Garland" <4cx250b@muohio.edu> 2) RE: 51J4 rehab by "A Parker" 3) Rebuilding Cans by "Jay H. Miller" 4) RE: Rebuilding Cans by "Comarow, Avery" 5) P.S. RE: Rebuilding Cans by "Comarow, Avery" 6) Model 28 RO Teletype In Action by Jerry Proc 7) please help stop HTML by Dave or Debbie Metz 8) Re: 51J4 rehab by "raymond Cote" 9) RE: Rebuilding Cans by "A Parker" 10) Looking for Two Knight Kit Radios by William Watson 11) 100 kc crystal WTB by "RICHARD GEORGE" 12) Typewriter Ribbon by "Wilson Lamb" 13) Manuals Collins Johnson Heath by "Bob Kemp" 14) And We Said.... by "David Stinson" 15) RE: And We Said.... by "Singley, Rodger" 16) "WHO DAT" Comment by "Liles Garcia" 17) Re: "WHO DAT" Comment by "David Stinson" 18) Re: "WHO DAT" Comment by Dan Arney 19) Help a Dummy Out on Modulation. by "David Stinson" 20) Re: "WHO DAT" Comment by "KEN" 21) Re: [ARC5] Help a Dummy Out on Modulation. by mac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Garland" <4cx250b@muohio.edu> To: Old Tube Radios Subject: 51J4 rehab Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:09:01 -0700 Message-ID: <019101caa361$4291ff60$bd00a8c0@Garland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0192_01CAA326.96332760" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0192_01CAA326.96332760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found a very nice webpage from a List member who documented rehabbing his 51J4, s/n 3516, but the page doesn't say who did the work. Wonder if anybody can tell me who the gentleman is? He did a beautiful and thorough job, which you can see at http://www.boatanchors.org/51J4sn3516.html Thanks! Jim W8ZR ------=_NextPart_000_0192_01CAA326.96332760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_0192_01CAA326.96332760-- ------------------------------ From: "A Parker" Message-ID: <32.5C.09832.5FE076B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: 51J4 rehab Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:26:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jim, Many thanks for your kind words. That's my website, and I did the work. I document much of my work on that site, hoping it'll help others in their endeavours. Some of the work is done for other owners of the equipment, some on my own items. 73, Al Parker, W8UT New Bern, NC www.boatanchors.org www.hammarlund.info "there is nothing -absolutely nothing- half as much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." Ratty, to Mole -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] On Behalf Of Jim Garland Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:09 PM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: 51J4 rehab I found a very nice webpage from a List member who documented rehabbing his 51J4, s/n 3516, but the page doesn't say who did the work. Wonder if anybody can tell me who the gentleman is? He did a beautiful and thorough job, which you can see at http://www.boatanchors.org/51J4sn3516.html Thanks! Jim W8ZR ------------------------------ Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:51:30 -0600 To: Old Tube Radios From: "Jay H. Miller" Subject: Rebuilding Cans Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wasn't there an article last year in either QST=20 or ER about rebuilding can electrolytics?=20 Anybody remember where? Have searched both on-line databases and zip-o results. Thanks *********** jay@kk5im.com *********** Jay H. Miller, KK5IM Dallas, Texas NRA * ARRL * DXCC * S.A.S.S. #34,692 32=B0 AASR * MVPA #25,180 Website: http://www.kk5im.com ***** Proud to be 100% Macintosh since 1984! ***** ------------------------------ From: "Comarow, Avery" To: Old Tube Radios Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:00:01 -0500 Subject: RE: Rebuilding Cans Message-ID: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Jay, interested others: Check out this long thread on the Antique Radio Forum. It's like a how-to c= lass in restuffing electrolytics. http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3D101931&highlight=3Drestuf= fing Avery W3AVE Potomac, Md.=20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com= ] On Behalf Of Jay H. Miller Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:52 PM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Rebuilding Cans Wasn't there an article last year in either QST or ER about rebuilding can = electrolytics?=20 Anybody remember where? Have searched both on-line databases and zip-o results. Thanks *********** jay@kk5im.com *********** Jay H. Miller, KK5IM Dallas, Texas NRA * ARRL * DXCC * S.A.S.S. #34,692 32=B0 AASR * MVPA #25,180 Website: http://www.kk5im.com ***** Proud to be 100% Macintosh since 1984! ***** ------------------------------ From: "Comarow, Avery" To: Old Tube Radios Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:45 -0500 Subject: P.S. RE: Rebuilding Cans Message-ID: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 =20 ...and if you get to the end, there's a link to an alternative approach.=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <816117.72243.qm@web112313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:52:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Proc Subject: Model 28 RO Teletype In Action To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone, For those of you who have a hankering to hear the sound of a Model 28 RO te= letype printing at speeds of 60, 66 and 100 WPM, then this video clip is fo= r you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8Qs4w9vwN80&feature=3Drelated Around the 2 minute mark, the cover comes off the machine and watching oper= ation at 100 wpm is breathtaking. Never again will we see this marvelous ex= ample of electro-mechanical engineering. All that=E2=80=99s missing here is the smell of lubricating oil. :-)=20 -- Regards, Jerry Proc E-mail: jerry7proc@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A ________________________________= __________________________________=0ALooking for the perfect gift? Give the= gift of Flickr! =0A=0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4B67839A.4070603@ntelos.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:44:58 -0500 From: Dave or Debbie Metz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: please help stop HTML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I don't post a lot, about 10% of my messages come through as follows below: I'd sure like to read them so I plead with those those who continue to send the hi brow stuff instead of the plain text----- many of us cannot read your message. Thanks 73's dave * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "raymond Cote" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: 51J4 rehab Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:48:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks much Al. I will print out all your data as soon as I get mine on the bench Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Parker" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:26 AM Subject: RE: 51J4 rehab > Hi Jim, > Many thanks for your kind words. That's my website, and I did the > work. I document much of my work on that site, hoping it'll help others > in > their endeavours. Some of the work is done for other owners of the > equipment, some on my own items. > 73, > Al Parker, W8UT > New Bern, NC > www.boatanchors.org > www.hammarlund.info > > "there is nothing -absolutely nothing- half as much worth doing as > simply messing about in boats." > Ratty, to Mole > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com > [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com] > On Behalf Of Jim Garland > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:09 PM > To: Old Tube Radios > Subject: 51J4 rehab > > I found a very nice webpage from a List member who documented rehabbing > his > 51J4, s/n 3516, but the page doesn't say who did the work. Wonder if > anybody can tell me who the gentleman is? He did a beautiful and thorough > job, which you can see at > > http://www.boatanchors.org/51J4sn3516.html > > Thanks! > > Jim W8ZR > ------------------------------ From: "A Parker" Message-ID: To: Old Tube Radios Cc: "'Jay H. Miller'" Subject: RE: Rebuilding Cans Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:38:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I've got a writeup on what I've done that might be some help: 73, Al Parker, W8UT New Bern, NC www.boatanchors.org www.hammarlund.info "there is nothing -absolutely nothing- half as much worth doing as =20 simply messing about in boats." Ratty, to Mole =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com= ] On Behalf Of Comarow, Avery Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:00 PM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: Rebuilding Cans Jay, interested others: Check out this long thread on the Antique Radio Forum. It's like a how-to class in restuffing electrolytics. http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3D101931&highlight=3Drestuf= fing Avery W3AVE Potomac, Md.=20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com [mailto:owner-boatanchors@theporch.com= ] On Behalf Of Jay H. Miller Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:52 PM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Rebuilding Cans Wasn't there an article last year in either QST or ER about rebuilding can electrolytics?=20 Anybody remember where? Have searched both on-line databases and zip-o results. Thanks *********** jay@kk5im.com *********** Jay H. Miller, KK5IM Dallas, Texas NRA * ARRL * DXCC * S.A.S.S. #34,692 32=B0 AASR * MVPA #25,180 Website: http://www.kk5im.com ***** Proud to be 100% Macintosh since 1984! ***** ------------------------------ Message-ID: <850002.83563.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: William Watson Subject: Looking for Two Knight Kit Radios To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-777171297-1265397010=:83563" --0-777171297-1265397010=:83563 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am wanting to acquire copies of two Knight kit radios that I had in my yo= uth: =A0 a 5-tube AC/DC Knight Ranger (same cabinet as Lyric 546T) =A0 the octal tube version of the Knight Ocean Hopper radio (4-pin coils) =A0 If anyone has either of these or knows where one or the oher might be avail= able, I would like to hear from you. =A0 Joe W5WBR --0-777171297-1265397010=:83563 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --0-777171297-1265397010=:83563-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "RICHARD GEORGE" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: 100 kc crystal WTB Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:01:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01CAA66B.B2A7E6E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CAA66B.B2A7E6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm restoring an National NC300 and I need a 100 kc crystal or crystal = calibrator. If all I can find is a crystal I will buld the rest. Thank you. K6KWQ Dick Amps by "MORE POWER" ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CAA66B.B2A7E6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CAA66B.B2A7E6E0-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Wilson Lamb" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: Subject: Typewriter Ribbon Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:40:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a little box of a dozen rolls of teletype ribbon, each in Cellophane wrapper! Are they worth $5 to anyone? Or more? Plus post, of course. 73, Wilson W4BOH ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8CD7AB5C67C343658B7AFC30DBCA537A@robert7549ca67> From: "Bob Kemp" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Manuals Collins Johnson Heath Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:50:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CAA7D2.9C0B2FB0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CAA7D2.9C0B2FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Original Manuals: Collins 136B-2 noise blanker manual $20 shipped Heathkit SB104A - ASSEMBLY manual $25.00 shipped Johnson Viking II - Grey cover (later manual) $20 shipped Johnson Viking II -Brownish colored cover - I suspect an early manual = $20 shipped Bob wa0vrc ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CAA7D2.9C0B2FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CAA7D2.9C0B2FB0-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <811D0D2829C8428FAAA1867E0BCB284E@boudreaux> From: "David Stinson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: And We Said.... Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:46:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WHO DAT!!!!! ------------------------------ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: And We Said.... Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:51:07 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Singley, Rodger" To: Old Tube Radios Well deserved! I grew up 70 miles away from the city and suffered = through the bad years. I am glad they finally made it to the big dance = and pulled it off. Rodger WQ9E -----Original Message----- From: owner-boatanchors@theporch.com on behalf of David Stinson Sent: Sun 2/7/2010 8:46 PM To: Old Tube Radios Subject: And We Said.... =20 WHO DAT!!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Liles Garcia" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: "WHO DAT" Comment Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:53:44 -0800 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Good evening Everybody, I grew up in Florida hearing it this way: Who dat that said "Who dat"? Everybody have a great week!! Best Regards From Aloha, Oregon, Liles Garcia landn2@verizon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "David Stinson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: "WHO DAT" Comment Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 23:10:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liles Garcia" > I grew up in Florida hearing it this way: > Who dat that said "Who dat"? ..... which was followed by: "Who dat, say "Who dat," when I say "Who dat??" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4B700F25.5080409@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:18:29 -0600 From: Dan Arney MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios CC: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: "WHO DAT" Comment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I grew up in Arkansas and I always membered it ending as DAT ME Mot ha F***** Hank ------------------------------ Message-ID: <278DE19EE8D544C786CF0ED94325C95D@boudreaux> From: "David Stinson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Help a Dummy Out on Modulation. Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:09:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand something, so thought I'd ask the people smarter than me... Take a look at this diagram of a BC-230 transmitter: http://home.netcom.com/~arc5/SCR-AH-183/BC230TX.JPG If operated and tuned according to the manual, using the called-for 4-ohm/100pFd phantom antenna and using a normal, well-working carbon microphone, I can't get more than 30% moduation and about 40 mils of antenna current. Tubes are good. Now, I understand about the modulators not delivering enough power to get 100% at full load, and the manual says to keep the loading down so you can get more mod. However- no matter where I load the rig, light or heavy, tuned or mistuned, I still get about 30% mod, unless I yell. Even more funny- if I use an external antenna tuner, a wire antenna and just tune for maximum "smoke," I get about 1.2 amps antenna current and nice, 100% mod!..... (tilt!). To add more "huh?" to the mix- when I use one of the xtal-control coil sets with a 3880 KC crystal installed, I get less power out (probably due to lower grid drive), but I can over-modulate. I'm scratching my pointy head on this one, guys. What is it I don't understand here?? 73 Dave S. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4197179BD64B4DB3BF8C61FC1F5109DD@yourb27fb1c401> From: "KEN" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: "WHO DAT" Comment Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:12:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Liles & Gang, Way back, the story was as follows: A soldier returning to camp on a pitch black night heard something and said, Who dat?, the Guard said, "Who dere? The soldier replied, "Who dat who say, 'Who dere?' when I say , Who dat?" FWIW, Ken N5CM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liles Garcia" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: "WHO DAT" Comment > Good evening Everybody, > > I grew up in Florida hearing it this way: > > Who dat that said "Who dat"? > > > Everybody have a great week!! > > Best Regards From Aloha, Oregon, > Liles Garcia > landn2@verizon.net > > > ------------------------------ From: mac To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: [ARC5] Help a Dummy Out on Modulation. Message-Id: <73C9ED83-C707-4827-9823-0BD889B70913@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:09:47 -0800 Cc: "Old Tube Radios" , Note that the grid bias for the modulators is derived from the PA grid resistor. Check to see if there is a significant bias variation with different PA loads. Dennis D. W7QHO Glendale, CA On Feb 8, 2010, at 1:09 PM, David Stinson wrote: > I don't understand something, so thought I'd ask the > people smarter than me... > > Take a look at this diagram of a BC-230 transmitter: > > http://home.netcom.com/~arc5/SCR-AH-183/BC230TX.JPG > > If operated and tuned according to the manual, using the > called-for 4-ohm/100pFd phantom antenna and using a > normal, well-working carbon microphone, I can't get more than > 30% moduation and about 40 mils of antenna current. > Tubes are good. > Now, I understand about the modulators not > delivering enough power to get 100% at full load, and the manual > says to keep the loading down so you can get more mod. However- > no matter where I load the rig, light or heavy, tuned or mistuned, > I still get about 30% mod, unless I yell. Even more funny- if I use > an > external > antenna tuner, a wire antenna and just tune for maximum "smoke," > I get about 1.2 amps antenna current and nice, 100% mod!..... (tilt!). > To add more "huh?" to the mix- when I use one of the xtal-control > coil sets with a 3880 KC crystal installed, I get less power out > (probably due to lower grid drive), but I can over-modulate. > I'm scratching my pointy head on this one, guys. > What is it I don't understand here?? > > 73 Dave S. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ARC5 mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/arc5 > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:ARC5@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ------------------------------ End of BOATANCHORS Digest 4313 ******************************