Article: 96669 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Tracy" Subject: 4 ginnplexers 10Gig Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:10:07 -0600 Message-ID: <8837a$43fa150b$c6bf6ab$24032@API-DIGITAL.COM> Hi, I would not post this as a rule but thought with this one maybe I should. I have 4 gunnplexers up for auction at the big E site. Great to play with for linking or just microwave fun. Sorry if I offend anyone here with an auction post. '73 Tracy N1RKT http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5868838884&rd=1&sspagenam e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Article: 96670 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Joel Kolstad" Subject: Re: Want: 73 & Ham Radio Magazines Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:36:01 -0800 Message-ID: <11vkh4ls839udd1@corp.supernews.com> References: <11v6tdf5irev054@corp.supernews.com> <1140151622.010055.231040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11vark21ahop255@corp.supernews.com> <11vb658r3p40s5c@corp.supernews.com> <11vc2883qmd7245@corp.supernews.com> <1140207792.006271.92960@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Hi Len, wrote in message news:1140207792.006271.92960@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Unrelated "rationalizations." Breaking a law or rules or other > directives is still BREAKING something, purloining someone's > original work. Stealing. I agree, I'm just saying that -- being human -- I'm willing to turn a blind-eye towards some violations of various laws, just as real law enforcement officers do every single day. Now if my job is to enforce, e.g., copyright law and somebody makes me _aware_ of a particular violation, clearly I have to go ahead and prosecute, regardless of what my "blind eye" might do otherwise. (Similarly, I don't in any way buy the excuse of the current crop of phramecists who'll refuse to dispense, e.g., "day after" pills because doing so goes against their moral convictions!) > In Roy's case on EZNEC, he put in a lot of work in translation > of (totally copyable by law) U.S. government work into a useful > program of antenna analysis. Given that Roy is alive and well (I saw him walking around in Rickreal on Saturday!) and supporting/selling his product, I can think of no rationalization whatsoever whereby pirating EZNEC could be considered "acceptable." Now, 40 years from now when the situation has changed, I may feel quite differently. >>> Rationalizations are as diverse and original as fertile minds can create. >>> The ultimate result will be that eventually, nobody will bother creating >>> anything original. > > ABSOLUTELY TRUE! > >>Only in some sort of idealist world. In the real world, original creations >>will be generated so long as doing so puts bread on the table. > > THIS is the real world. There's no "special case" that justifies > that idealistic rationalization you made...it is circular logic in > itself...in the real world. Huh? My point was only that -- regardless of what I or others may rationalize and therefore use to relieve our consciouses while we break some law -- original works will continue to be generated so long as there's some sort of income to be derived in doing so. I do agree that there's less and less income to be derived if more and more people go around rationalizing piracy/stealing/etc. in general, and I personally find it a very distrubing trend that so many people today don't think twice about copying software/music/movies/etc. > EZNEC is an example that applies here. The work that Roy did on > translation of (free) code, cleaning it up, making it presentable > in a meaningful manner to users, was considerable, much more so > than just getting the original program code to work. Why should > Roy give away such effort? I don't see any reason he should, unless he chooses too. Although it's interesting to contemplate that EZNEC probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for the NEC core that was developed with taxpayer dollars... perhaps the ultimate outcome of piracy running rampant will be that software development will then only be performed by government-employed programmers? Or hobbyists with no expectation whatsoever of monetary gain from their efforts? I think that'd be a horrible situation, although there are plenty of people out there who firmly believe that most all software should be produced under such a model. :-( > What it does NOT have for free > is a way of showing the results in anything but tabular form, no > graphics to instantly show the antenna patterns, VSWR of feed > point, RF currents, etc. Not to discount Roy's work -- since, again, he's a talented programmer and his software is clearly worth paying for -- but I do find it disappointing that (in stark constrast to the anecdote in the preceeding paragraph) very little new software comes out of the government today. Why is it that software like OpenOffice has to be developed by 100% volunteers rather than by our government? If you look at universities today, most of the EDA software they use is commercial in nature (donated or provided at a substantially reduced price by the manufacturer) rather than anything written in-house. Heck, back when Roy worked at Tektronix, my understanding was that TekSPICE was the simulation program of the day, whereas now Tek has also switched to commercial SPICE simulators and is very close to completely phasing out the usage of TekSPICE... kinda sad, in a way. > Without the protection of the copyright law, Microsoft could > never have made that Big Break that started their humongous > incoming cash flow. I think that's somewhat speculative. :-) ...but I don't really know enough of Microsoft's history to say for certain. Thanks for your input, Len! ---Joel Article: 96671 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Joel Kolstad" Subject: Re: Paid for-against Free Software ; was :Want: 73 & Ham Radio Magazines Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:39:53 -0800 Message-ID: <11vkod89mu87bb8@corp.supernews.com> References: <11v6tdf5irev054@corp.supernews.com> <1140151622.010055.231040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11vark21ahop255@corp.supernews.com> <11vb658r3p40s5c@corp.supernews.com> <11vc2883qmd7245@corp.supernews.com> <1140207792.006271.92960@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11vkh4ls839udd1@corp.supernews.com> "Highland Ham" wrote in message news:ZaCdnSz4Q6yzz2feRVnyug@pipex.net... > An interesting thread. > While following it , my thoughts are with Richard Stallman and his Free > Software Foundation and subsequent development of the Linux Operating System > under the GPL = General Public Licence........and the many software > developers (world wide), who continue with providing Society with a ever > improving free Operating System with umpteen excellent free applications. Linux and all the other GPL projects are a great service to the community at large and have clearly provided products that otherwise either would have cost much more or simply been out of reach of many people. That being said, Stallman and his associates clearly have an agenda as well -- there's a _huge_ difference between true "public domain" software (such as what the government produces and what the original versions of SPICE and NEC are) vs. GPL'd software. This agenda had led to numerous "me too" licenses (e.g., the lesser GPL license) where people tend to pick and choose which pieces of the GPL they like and even occasionally tack on bits of their own agendas (e.g., they restrict their software from usage by those in the military, the government, even just anyone using it for fiduciary gain, etc.). Not that there's anything inherently wrong with this -- commercial software licenses are even more convoluted and variegated! -- but people should be aware of the difference. Ubdoubtedly a poor analogy: Just as when one chooses a religion, there's usually a savior associated with it who performs miracles, promises peace on Earth, etc... but you only get to receive all of those goodies if you buy into the entire package, which sometimes contains all sorts of ideas you oppose! Richard Stallman is then perhaps our modern-day software Jesus/Joeseph Smith/Buddha/etc... ---Joel Kolstad (who, on occasion, has used plenty of GPL software and thinks OpenOffice is very good and would probably serve the purposes of 90+% of all MS Office users just as well... oh... and GNURadio is pretty cool too...) Article: 96672 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "stargatesg1" References: <8837a$43fa150b$c6bf6ab$24032@API-DIGITAL.COM> Subject: Re: 4 ginnplexers 10Gig Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:13:06 GMT I wonder if you bought them from me at the Dayton hamfest? I bought about 90+ of them from a security company for $2-$3 each. I took a bunch there and sold them all for 30-35 each. They were all sold in less than half of the first day. Sounds like a good deal to me if someone wants to set up a 10ghz link. They have quite a bit of range just with the small stock horn. Lots of fun on long trips to set off radar detectors :-) :-) Good Luck with the auction, RoD "Tracy" wrote in message news:8837a$43fa150b$c6bf6ab$24032@API-DIGITAL.COM... > Hi, > I would not post this as a rule but thought with this one maybe I should. I > have 4 gunnplexers up for auction at the big E site. Great to play with for > linking or just microwave fun. Sorry if I offend anyone here with an auction > post. > > '73 Tracy N1RKT > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5868838884&rd=1&sspagenam > e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > Article: 96673 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Winfield Hill Subject: Re: FA: Some nice HP gear from my home lab.... Date: 21 Feb 2006 07:08:32 -0800 Message-ID: References: <1140240731.474865.35500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> jmiles@gmail.com wrote... > > If you plan to use my GPIB software with it, be sure to download a > recent copy. I hosed the phase-noise app pretty badly in my last > "slipstream" update a few weeks ago, and only heard about it last > week. The version that's up there now is fine. http://www.qsl.net/ke5fx/ Thanks for the heads-up. That's v1.05, the Jan 14, 2006 edition? Which program was updated to fix the phase-noise problem? The pn program's source code says 13-Jul-05, although the pn.cpp file date is 12-Feb-06. I like the part where you get the "number of 1000-ns intervals since 1-Jan-1601 UTC" :-) -- Thanks, - Win Article: 96674 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: dipufg@shaw.ca Subject: xXx AMATEUR CAM IN BATHROOM xXx 4019 [1/2] Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:27:22 GMT Hi im just getting into filming porn and thought i could use our bathrrom as a secret project so i setup my secret camera and caught my younger (hot) sister taking a bath with a dildo and using it on herself..See her pics here and see what you think of her, enjoy :) rkoxerzbqwsibjkcoqjznrnyrnphjzschbfgntkzicemwuhxshelqcbczlcxvbynufoqvddhjnjsticdxzyeeplyipcjime Article: 96675 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: class-a-licensee-pkearn-zBBpk@didnt-run-away-from-a-morse-test.es.eircom.com.net (zBBPK) Subject: Re: FT-757 GXII alignment.... Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:29:13 GMT Message-ID: <43fb77cd.653869@news.iol.ie> References: <1139820926.953412.54470@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1140353067.017993.92590@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <43f8ded7.93153565@news.iol.ie> "Three Cheers for PC Fuller!" wrote: > zBBPK wrote: > > "huLLy" wrote: > > > >> > >> Who was it that avoided it for 14 years? > > > > > > g7--- was issued when ??? > > 1987 but I never avoided it ;) > bbbbbbbbbwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh next thing you'll claim is that you had no interest in hf !! Article: 96676 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: class-a-licensee-pkearn-zBBpk@didnt-run-away-from-a-morse-test.es.eircom.com.net (zBBPK) Subject: Re: FT-757 GXII alignment.... Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:29:14 GMT Message-ID: <43fb77ef.688100@news.iol.ie> References: <1139820926.953412.54470@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1140353067.017993.92590@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <43f8ded7.93153565@news.iol.ie> <4k3iv1d22s1g773f9im4nivr96e8rtenoq@4ax.com> Nedlar wrote: > >> "huLLy" wrote: > >1987 but I never avoided it ;) > > You avoided a trivially simple Morse test. I suppose you had no > interest in HF eh? ( apart from freebanding ?)... snap! Article: 96677 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Mr Fed UP" References: Subject: Re: FT-757 GXII alignment.... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:36:05 -0600 I had one of these and worked 10m DXCC in 90s... later had to sell it and just now have a used one from ebay. I took apart the dial that was stuck and repaired the optical tuner mechanism. Now I don't know if I have a large SWR or if the rig is sick. It jumps freq' when the RF output power is turned up. I was hoping to see some more tips and helps but the thread seems to have been taken over by some sand pile kids with no help other than flaming any post. Any ideas why the rig jumps freq? Restarting from scratch. No Bird or Freq meters yet. Odd this was run on homebrew LOL Thanks 73 Gary K4TWO "Samuel Hunt" wrote in message news:dso1hi$qtv$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com... > Has anyone any info on servicing one of these? > > The power control is out of alignment (about 3/4 of the way up it suddenly > jumps into TX at full power, with it being very sensitive to get any > control between full and no power). > > Possibly a bias problem on the PA? > > And the power meter needs re-aligning. > > And the FM deviation is too high. > > Can anyone point me towards the internal pots? > > > Thanks, > > Sam > M1FJB > Article: 96678 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Theo" Subject: WTB: Triad M-4Z Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:27:38 GMT Wanted: Two Triad M-4Z combined modulation/speaker transformers. Can anyone help, or know where such may be obtained? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Theo Article: 96679 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "nike" Subject: antenna coaxial switch Message-ID: <1NXKf.2907$PR2.59684@twister2.libero.it> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:19:25 GMT Hi to everybody, I need schematic of an antenna switch witout control cable, for selection I must use coaxial cable. It will be placed on the mast. I found something interesting on ham newspapers but . . I lost it. via internet I try but if you use some search tool (ie. google) you are sure to find all but not what you are looking for. Thanks in advance. Nike Article: 96680 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Bill Turner" Subject: Re: The Great Strip-X Substitute Hunt, Part 2 Date: 22 Feb 2006 15:17:04 GMT Message-ID: References: <1140586713.373458.313610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <7-KdnSfO7LPbymHenZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bright.net> ORIGINAL MESSAGE: Scott wrote: > Why bother with the stinky stuff at all? And, who wants to wait for > 15 minutes before you can make the solder connection? I just tin my > soldering iron and leave the little solder blob on the iron and apply > it to the end of the wire. In a few seconds, the enamel coating > melts off and the solder blob tins the end of the wire at the same > time. > > Scott > N0EDV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That procedure works only with certain types of coating. With the good kind, you can let the soldering iron cook it till the cows come home and the enamel is still there. 73, Bill W6WRT Article: 96681 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Dot Subject: Re: The Great Strip-X Substitute Hunt, Part 2 Message-ID: <2c5pv1l96gvaqdlmmkai6fi6bjprf77qvb@4ax.com> References: <1140586713.373458.313610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <7-KdnSfO7LPbymHenZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bright.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:47:19 -0500 On 22 Feb 2006 15:17:04 GMT, "Bill Turner" wrote: >That procedure works only with certain types of coating. With the good >kind, you can let the soldering iron cook it till the cows come home >and the enamel is still there. Which is why we have medium steel wool. Article: 96682 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Subject: Re: Which Crystal Oscillator circuit has lowest jitter From: JJ References: <1140622303.487419.325140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:08:13 -0500 "Saandy , 4Z5KS" wrote in news:1140622303.487419.325140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > ...it's Colpitts, Hartley, Clapp,Butler and Pierce! > go with Butler since it has the crystal inserted between points of low > impedance, it actually boosts the Q of the crystal above the unloaded > Q. this Q is ths single most important source of jitter and attendant > phase noise. > Saandy 4Z5KS Good grief I wrote that rather late at night. Have you seen a simple Butler cct using JFETS? The ARRL one uses a transformer which I rather not use. JJ Article: 96683 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Joel Kolstad" Subject: Re: Want: 73 & Ham Radio Magazines Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:30:40 -0800 Message-ID: <11vpbgqhm96k1f8@corp.supernews.com> References: <11v6tdf5irev054@corp.supernews.com> <1140151622.010055.231040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11vark21ahop255@corp.supernews.com> <11vb658r3p40s5c@corp.supernews.com> <11vc2883qmd7245@corp.supernews.com> <1140207792.006271.92960@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11vkh4ls839udd1@corp.supernews.com> <1140587075.998758.13970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Hi Len, Good response; I just have a couple of minor things to add: wrote in message news:1140587075.998758.13970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > If we look at what exists now, we get blase' about all the effort > involved to make a product (almost as if "it always existed...") > available for others to use. Too many of us take the THINGS we > have for granted. When you can run down to the local computer store and buy something like a wireless router containing a 54Mbps digital radio with very sophisticated modulation schemes running from some embedded CPU with the equivalent horsepower of an 80386 with 64MB of RAM, all for $39.99, I can see why. :-) > Very little actual "government software" was ever done, nearly > all was hired, contracted outside work. I was thinking of programs such as Berkeley SPICE being "government software," actually. > What "the universities" do is NOT NECESSARILY what goes on in > the rest of the world! True, despite the self-promoting PR of > "the universities!" Very true, although I think that many univerisites have found -- in the past couple of decades -- a need to become somewhat more aligned with industry in order to continue to procur funding. > As far as IP protection on radio hobby magazines, that's > still up in the air for many. If everyone wants to sit > around and rebuild the regenerative receiver or "design" > two-tube (or teeny two-transistor) transmitters, fine, but > that is just re-inventing the wheel for the nth time. It is, although it can serve as a great educational tool for the person doing it. Since ham radio is -- for most people -- a hobby, re-inventing such radios is about the same as someone rebuliding the engine or transmission on a classic car: The end result is still not going to be as, say, fuel efficient or powerful as a modern design, but someone who understands the basics is then a very large way towards understanding the modern design... if they have any desire to do so. When you go to student engineering design expos these days, there's usually plenty of wireless interfaces to robots, data collection devices, etc.; they're almost always implemented with a little wireless module where you feed in digital data, and everything else all the way to the antenna is a black box. What you almost never see is something like a discrete transistor radio design implementing, say, BPSK at 1200bps (which often would suffice for the wireless data transmission needs). Although I find this a little lamentable, I realize that these days indsutry needs a lot more people creating such system- or IC-level designs (rather than, say, 50 years ago when I'd expect that most "electrical engineers" found themselves performing discrete transistor -- or tube! -- design), and I also realize that industry still seems to find graduates who become good RF IC designers, so clearly the problem isn't as bad as I might imagine and is probably more a reflection of just becoming set in my own ways instead! :-) > Much > of the output of the radio hobbyist press (other than new > product info squibs and "reviews") is the publishers > essentially copying their own old works...for their own > profit. Sure, or someone taking an old design and adding a microcontroller interface/LCD/etc. (Seems to crop up a lot with auto-tuners, power meters, etc... I've been tempted to do one of these myself... something like a mobile 2m amplifier for an HT... 300mW in, 30W or so out, with digital display of SWR or whatever... clearly the "core design" of the amplifier and SWR meter has been around for decades now...) Granted, a lot of any "new design" is just modifying old designs with various new ideas, but the ARRL's standard to publish a "new" article is perhaps rather low. > If we don't have IP protection, radio hobbyists will still be > at least a half-century behind in most efforts of "radio," > the practitioners busy, busy with nostalgic recollection of > "the good old days" that were not that "good," just > fascinating to individuals (like me) of a long time ago. What's missing is some reasonable means of licensing IP to people who want to use it on a hobbyist basis. A lot of the really good speech CODECs out there are legally protected, and although I'm sure the hobbyist developer would be happy to pay some few dollars to play with one, a large company is (typically) not interested in dealing with a single user to license a single instance of their technology... And even if that hobbyist's software is good, he might sell... what... 100 or 1000 copies of it? The royalties from that pale in comparison to licensing a CODEC to a cell phone manufacturer. As-is, HDTV reception and demodulation by a hobbyist is still legal -- but just barely, as various interests continue to push for "broadcast" flags. HD Radio probably wouldn't be legal at all to sit down and demodulate, but given that it's a proprietary standard, no hobbyist is presently able to do so anyway. I'm all for making sure that owners of IP are fairly compensated, and I believe that most hobbyist are willing to pay to do so, but the commerce models to do it just aren't there yet. How far would ham radio have gotten if it had been illegal to build your own FM radio? Or ATV receiver (since they usually still use NTSC as the baseband format)? On the upside, today it's easy to purchase RF components that allow one to build radios that have better performance and are cheaper to build than ever before. It's the hardware<-->software interface -- with software defined radios starting to become commonplace -- where you can't just go to DigiKey and purchase a CELP software license off the shelf; this is one of the problems holding back the development of ham radio. Granted, hams could -- and do -- development a lot of these things themselves, but given their technological sophistication, ham radio will now more than ever have to follow commercial standards (as they have with FM, NTSC for ATV, etc. -- it's been a _looonnng_ time since ham radio was _setting_ the standard, although the APRS guys do like to point out that a lot of commercial systems today still aren't as good as they are). ---Joel Article: 96684 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Tom" Subject: FA: Unbuilt Kit - 70's Vintage Heathkit Oscilloscope. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:42:46 GMT Unbuilt Kit - 70's Vintage Heathkit Oscilloscope. Complete - Original Box - Parts Inventoried - No Reserve. Click on: http://tinyurl.com/mvygq Ends Saturday Feb-22-06 16:07:24 PST (Sunday Feb-23-06 00:07:24 UTC) Many thanks es 73, Tom NØJMY Article: 96685 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Joel Kolstad" Subject: Re: Want: 73 & Ham Radio Magazines Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:54:21 -0800 Message-ID: <11vqchbql4gg9c7@corp.supernews.com> References: <11v6tdf5irev054@corp.supernews.com> <1140151622.010055.231040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11vark21ahop255@corp.supernews.com> <11vb658r3p40s5c@corp.supernews.com> <11vc2883qmd7245@corp.supernews.com> <1140207792.006271.92960@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11vkh4ls839udd1@corp.supernews.com> <1140587075.998758.13970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11vpbgqhm96k1f8@corp.supernews.com> <1140657489.953126.33790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Hi Len, You have a lot of interesting history in there! wrote in message news:1140657489.953126.33790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > But, as some 1950s-technology hams may grouse, "that's not RADIO!" Yeah, I'm surprised just how 'neatly' some people seem to be able to decide what is and isn't 'radio.' > Hey, the huge electronic supermarket called Fry's is just a > mile and a half from my house here. Lots of low-cost, very- > high-tech "toys" available in there. I think it's ironic how the cool fashion accessory today is something like a Motorola Razr phone with its associated millions of transistors buried in numerous ICs running software that even relatively few BSEE's would fully understand without a fair amount of additional study (turbo codes, direct sequence spread spectrum systems, psychoacoustic codecs, etc. not usually being a large part of the undergraduate curriculum...), yet 30 years ago anyway hauling around a brick-sized ham radio or CB was quite the nerdy thing to do... Incredible how times change... > If they want to TEACH students what goes on in industry of the > day, absolutely. They've gone insular amongst themselves in > the last few decades...in the teaching part of their activity. IMO one of the biggest problems universities face is that everyone is "expected" to get a 4 year degree these days, and yet the reality of the marketplace is that relatively few jobs truly require anything approach that level of "hard core" education. Hence, engineering courses get watered down, and a lot of BSEE of BSCS students end up performing straightforward programming or digital design using techniques that a 2 year technical college could have easily provided them with. Industry has often contributed to this problem, requiring even technical sales people to now have those 4 year degrees... sheesh! > Maybe automotive electronics is next (some > applications using RF for "wireless" things like tire pressure > measurement while rolling)? I think we're just about there -- I've seen chipsets that'll provide, e.g., some tens of bytes of data once every second or so and consume mere tens of microwatts (on average) to operate; that seems like the kind of thing some clever person can generate just from the rotation of the tire itself using some horribly crude & dirt cheap implementation of a "generator." > Well, in my view, there's too much ham emphasis on transmitters > and power and mechanical aspect of things. What would you like to see more of? > Another case in point: Neil Hecht's neat little frequency > displays out of AADE in Seattle. I haven't used one, but I'm aware of their existance. I bought one of Neil's L/C meters years ago now and put it together myself -- I don't recall if an assembled version was even available as an option then. I came across his web site again recently while tracking down a copy of his filter designer (which includes some very useful hints and tips on various transforms), and was pleased to find that he now gives it away for free, stating that he was selling so much more hardware than software anyway, it wasn't worth his effort to keep charging for the software! > Oddly, most hobbyist programmers don't like to show > flow diagrams...those aren't as "cool" as source code > statements neatly arranged by the source code development > program. :-( I always figured they just didn't want to go to the extra effort. :-) I agreee that source code alone usually isn't as good as a clear flow diagram. > I don't quite agree with the gist of your argument. SDR is > the new buzzword and it can certainly apply to digital-based > communications (cell phones, etc.) but not necessarily to > the analog HF world. I did mean "true" SDRs, such as GNU Radio, Flex Radio, etc. I think it has plenty of application to the HF world (indeed, the development of digital modes for HF seems much more active than on VHF/UHF, which has always struck me as kinda bizarre given how much less bandwidth is available there in the first place... but of course the fact that you can get a signal to the other side of the planet on 100W in good condition is always a big motivator...) > IF - and only IF - amateur radio voice communications goes > digital on HF will there be any real need for SDR in ham > radio "bands" (the ones on HF). I agree with you on this (in that, with analog HF modes, you don't really gain that much by using SDR), but I hasten to point out that there's no "real need" for the analog modes either :-). Whether or not that means Yaesu/Icom/Kenwood/etc. actually make a full-blown HF SDR that supports both the traditional analog modes and some set of newer digital ones, I don't know. > One problem with digital voice is that there isn't > even a hint of a standard protocol or of many experimenters > yielding any results on same. Have I mentioned how some of the best low-bit rate CODECs are proprietary and/or patented and not licensable by a single lowly hobbyist? ;-) > Back to watching HDTV from the Winter Olympics in Turin... We have an HDTV tuner but only an "EDTV" TV (an older plasma set), and it still looks fantastic; I've been most impressed. ---Joel Article: 96686 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "2greedy" References: <1NXKf.2907$PR2.59684@twister2.libero.it> Subject: Re: antenna coaxial switch Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:43:11 GMT try this site www.vkcorner.com or http://www.vkcorner.com/forum/index.php "nike" wrote in message news:1NXKf.2907$PR2.59684@twister2.libero.it... > Hi to everybody, > I need schematic of an antenna switch witout control cable, for selection I > must use coaxial cable. > It will be placed on the mast. I found something interesting on ham > newspapers but . . I lost it. via internet I try but if you use some search > tool (ie. google) you are sure to find all but not what you are looking > for. > Thanks in advance. > Nike > > Article: 96687 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Message-ID: <43FD4CF6.51683426@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: WARNING: hackarmy trojan (was: Moms Dildo Lesson To Sister) References: <43FC053D.DE215033@earthlink.net> <87017833.2458g8789@tarrnews.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:49:48 GMT Lloyd wrote: > > Your profound ignorance is showing. With a good virus scanner integrated > into your news reader, the malware is identified and blocked before it can > do any harm. > > There's never any need to "open" it, newbie. Newbie? That's almost funny. Not all news servers leave infected attachments on messages. Also I have Java and Javascripting turned off in my news reader. On the other hand, if anyone on this group knows anything about profound ignorance... -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 96688 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Message-ID: <43FD4F43.754B6B3A@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Inexpensive small shield enclosures from square tin cans References: <1140586867.550096.271600@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:59:37 GMT LenAnderson@ieee.org wrote: > > From: "Michael A. Terrell" on Wed, Feb 22 2006 6:45 am > > >LenAnderson@ieee.org wrote: > > >> If you or your significant-other use some of the specialty tea > >> or coffee products for instant gourmet tea or coffee, do NOT > >> throw out the little cans it comes in...they can be recycled > >> into a variety of enclosures, shield cans, etc., if they are > >> made of tin-plated, light sheet steel. > > ... > > > > Did you save any of those thin metal boxes AOL was mailing their > >CDROMS in a couple years ago? They look to be just thick enough for > >some small SMD designs. > > Not the thin ones. About 8 years ago, the Bank of America chain > was handing out "Christmas boxes" of AOL material (including CD) > which were at least an inch and a half deep. Unfortunately, the > box lid folded over the edges of the main box part and that did > not make a good enough metal-to-metal contact along the edges. > > The tin-plated steel tea and coffee boxes have plastic-paper > lids (throwaway) and the lip at the top will support a metal > or PCB cover that can be sheet-metal-screw secured in place. > Better raw material for a box to shield RF in my thinking. > Solderability is great anywhere on the surfaces, good for > making connections to the can "ground." > > LenAnderson@ieee.org > > >Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > >prove it. > > Me too. ["R-A all the way" :-) ] Well, I was U-S, (Drafted, for those who don't know) but I tested out of a three year electronics school while in basic training and was awarded the MOS for a TV Broadcast engineer. I went straight from basic training to working in CATV, CCTV, AML type Jerrold Microwave video links and even a little RADAR work. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 96689 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "John Adair" Subject: Re: Input stage for VHF frequency counter in an FPGA? Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:30:19 -0000 Message-ID: References: <1140663703.875988.162830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> As Jim has said LVDS is a good way. Just watch the common mode input range. You can use a RF transformer to rebias the DC level to get arround any issues. Another way is to use a single ended standard like SSTL and DC bias the input to the reference voltage used for the SSTL. You do need to have access to Vref pins on the Spartan-3 to use this technique. We have support for LVDS and SSTL in our boards but I am not sure about the Spartan-3 starter kit. John Adair Enterpoint Ltd. - Home of Raggedstone1. The low Cost Spartan-3 Development Board. http://www.enterpoint.co.uk wrote in message news:1140663703.875988.162830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > The other day I found myself needing a short gate time ~200 mhz > frequency counter for an automated test, and since I had an FPGA board > on hand I whipped one up quickly. Getting it reading and reporting to > my computer was the easy part. > > Ah, the input stage.... > > I've got about 4dBm of RF into 50 ohms to play with - about a volt p-p > or a little more if it's high-Z. The output of the device under test > has a transformer and then a series cap to create an unbalanced output. > > > I did something ugly with a 3.3v cmos 7406 varient and a feedback > resistor, which works well enough to get an accurate reading on one > version of the device under test, but not on the other (both have been > verified with real test equipment) It also tends to self-oscillate > with no input... > > What would be the right way to do this using on hand parts, such as > abused logic, little 1:1 or 2:1 RF transformers, etc? One idea is to > use another gate with a feedback resistor and cap to ground in the hope > of establishing the threshold level, and then using a transformer to > swing another input above and below this. Most parts on hand are SMD - > which means dead bug construction in SOIC scale under the maginifier - > discourages extensive experimentation. > > Why do most abuse-of-logic RF applications seem to use NAND gates > rather than inverters? From a digital perspective NAND gates are a > universal element, but once you tie their inputs together, is there > something to be gained from having two inputs in parallel? > > Is there a way to use a differential input configuration on an FPGA to > input a balanced RF signal directly? Theoretically this should be an > FPGA clock input... The device in use currently is an Altera Stratix > II, but a Xilinx S3 kit is available. > > If ordering things, what would be a good default low supply voltage > HF/VHF gain component to have on hand? I seem to recall lots of > last-millenium ham designs using the MC1350P video IF amp, but what > would make sense today? > Article: 96690 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Joseph2k Subject: Re: Input stage for VHF frequency counter in an FPGA? References: <1140663703.875988.162830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:58:00 GMT cs_posting@hotmail.com wrote: > The other day I found myself needing a short gate time ~200 mhz > frequency counter for an automated test, and since I had an FPGA board > on hand I whipped one up quickly. Getting it reading and reporting to > my computer was the easy part. > > Ah, the input stage.... > > I've got about 4dBm of RF into 50 ohms to play with - about a volt p-p > or a little more if it's high-Z. The output of the device under test > has a transformer and then a series cap to create an unbalanced output. > > > I did something ugly with a 3.3v cmos 7406 varient and a feedback > resistor, which works well enough to get an accurate reading on one > version of the device under test, but not on the other (both have been > verified with real test equipment) It also tends to self-oscillate > with no input... > > What would be the right way to do this using on hand parts, such as > abused logic, little 1:1 or 2:1 RF transformers, etc? One idea is to > use another gate with a feedback resistor and cap to ground in the hope > of establishing the threshold level, and then using a transformer to > swing another input above and below this. Most parts on hand are SMD - > which means dead bug construction in SOIC scale under the maginifier - > discourages extensive experimentation. > > Why do most abuse-of-logic RF applications seem to use NAND gates > rather than inverters? From a digital perspective NAND gates are a > universal element, but once you tie their inputs together, is there > something to be gained from having two inputs in parallel? the only gain is some PWB layout simplifications and less wasted part sections. > > Is there a way to use a differential input configuration on an FPGA to > input a balanced RF signal directly? Theoretically this should be an > FPGA clock input... The device in use currently is an Altera Stratix > II, but a Xilinx S3 kit is available. > > If ordering things, what would be a good default low supply voltage > HF/VHF gain component to have on hand? I seem to recall lots of > last-millenium ham designs using the MC1350P video IF amp, but what > would make sense today? > I am thinking on the order of a single transistor amplifier to go to logic levels, then characterize it for delay issues. -- JosephKK Gegen dummheit kampfen Die Gotter Selbst, vergebens. --Shiller Article: 96691 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Jan Panteltje Subject: Re: Input stage for VHF frequency counter in an FPGA? Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:06:41 GMT Message-ID: References: <1140663703.875988.162830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On a sunny day (22 Feb 2006 19:01:44 -0800) it happened cs_posting@hotmail.com wrote in <1140663703.875988.162830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >The other day I found myself needing a short gate time ~200 mhz >frequency counter for an automated test, and since I had an FPGA board >on hand I whipped one up quickly. Getting it reading and reporting to >my computer was the easy part. > Just a partial reply... I think 7400 series should stop way below 200mHz, perhaps 50MHz? I would make a small diff amplifier, did something 40 years ago (yes 40!) with I think it was BFY90 transistors, then invert with 2 more and drive the LVDS input. -------------------------------- +5 or + 12 | | | [ ] [ ] [ ] R4 | |------------ __|__ |-----|-------- | | | |/ \| | | |/>e < \| ---| NPN |---- | |----| |--- in |\> e | |----------- LVDS - | | | [ ] [ ] [ ] | | R5 | R6 ---------------------------------------------- GND R4 could be a current source too, set it so it is guaranteed that the voltage across R5 and R6 (max i in one leg) cannot exceed FPGA max in. Gives you some input protection The 'bias voltages can be generated with diode drop. No time now to enter it in spice to get response..... You can use simple junction FETS for the first stage too. There are also nice chips, but transistors I have always in the box. Article: 96692 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Spehro Pefhany Subject: Re: Input stage for VHF frequency counter in an FPGA? Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:14:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1140663703.875988.162830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1140706171.983935.190630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 23 Feb 2006 06:49:32 -0800, the renowned cs_posting@hotmail.com wrote: >Jan Panteltje wrote: > >> Just a partial reply... I think 7400 series should stop way below 200mHz, >> perhaps 50MHz? > >It's either a 74AC04 or possibly a 74HC04 (it's upside down so I can't >tell) and it's self oscillating at 294 mhz - (it's stable enough for >the counter to read... a fast scope shows it approximately as a >sinewave. > >It seems to be oscillating at about 1/tpd... can't even really pull it >much with finger capacitance - only about 10 mhz. > >Interestingly, if I short a the floating input-output pair of an unused >inverter with the scope probe, that runs a bit slower around 260 mhz... >wheras the gate in use has about 20k of resistance in the feedback >path. > >> I would make a small diff amplifier, did something 40 years ago (yes 40!) >> with I think it was BFY90 transistors, then invert with 2 more and drive >> the LVDS input. > >I may give your transistor circuit a try, either with components or >simulation, thanks. What about using a stand-alone LVDS receiver? Eg. Pericom PI90LV179W. Article: 96693 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Chris Jones Subject: Re: Input stage for VHF frequency counter in an FPGA? Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:36:20 +0000 Message-ID: <11vshmrf92f55b0@corp.supernews.com> References: <1140663703.875988.162830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1140706171.983935.190630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> cs_posting@hotmail.com wrote: > Jan Panteltje wrote: > >> Just a partial reply... I think 7400 series should stop way below 200mHz, >> perhaps 50MHz? > > It's either a 74AC04 or possibly a 74HC04 (it's upside down so I can't > tell) and it's self oscillating at 294 mhz - (it's stable enough for > the counter to read... a fast scope shows it approximately as a > sinewave. > > It seems to be oscillating at about 1/tpd... can't even really pull it > much with finger capacitance - only about 10 mhz. > > Interestingly, if I short a the floating input-output pair of an unused > inverter with the scope probe, that runs a bit slower around 260 mhz... > wheras the gate in use has about 20k of resistance in the feedback > path. > >> I would make a small diff amplifier, did something 40 years ago (yes 40!) >> with I think it was BFY90 transistors, then invert with 2 more and drive >> the LVDS input. > > I may give your transistor circuit a try, either with components or > simulation, thanks. There are some newer low voltage CMOS gates that are much faster than AC series, I think they are called LVC and a few other names depending on the manufacturer. The really fast ones don't support 5V supply operation because they are made on a fine geometry process. This also makes them faster. It would be very hard to stop it from self oscillating with no input signal. In order to have a meaningful way of determining if you have satisfied this requirement for not self-oscillating, you would first have to define what is the minimum input amplitude that you expect it to be able to accept and produce an output with reasonable duty cycle etc. Another approach would be to make an input buffer that does self oscillate and make a separate detector that measures the input signal amplitude and disables the measurement when the input amplitude is below a certain threshold. Chris Chris Article: 96694 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: FA: Unbuilt Kit - 70's Vintage Heathkit Oscilloscope. References: <1140718413.608596.166550@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:33:58 -0500 k7itm@msn.com wrote: > Wow. Dave Edwards' pristine HP1726 275MHz scope is at $26 right now, > and this 5MHz unbuilt Heathkit is at $169? Guess it must have some > antique/nostalgia value to someone. It will be interesting to me to > check back in 9 days when both auctions end to see what each went for. > There is something about unbuilt Heathkits. Some people collect them, and never build them. Weird. Then again I know people who collect Barbie dolls and never open the packages, just leave them on a shelf to collect dust. Article: 96695 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: Crystals wanted References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:51:09 -0500 Gary Schafer wrote: > I have a homebrew project that I need some crystals for. Need the > following: > > > > 3.300 mhz > > 3.500 mhz > > 10.5 mhz > > 17.5 mhz > > 24.5 mhz > > > > Prefer HC6 holders if you have them. Any help out there? > > > > Thanks! > > Gary K4FMX > > Please reply to garyschafer@comcast.net Building a 2B clone eh? Article: 96696 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: John Larkin Subject: Re: Input stage for VHF frequency counter in an FPGA? Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:12:02 -0800 Message-ID: References: <1140663703.875988.162830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <43fd2a88@clear.net.nz> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:23:13 +1300, Jim Granville wrote: >cs_posting@hotmail.com wrote: >> The other day I found myself needing a short gate time ~200 mhz >> frequency counter for an automated test, and since I had an FPGA board >> on hand I whipped one up quickly. Getting it reading and reporting to >> my computer was the easy part. >> >> Ah, the input stage.... > > Does the FPGA have LVDS option inputs ? >If it is new enough to have those, they are differential >amplifiers, designed for current mode signals, and will work >with thresholds << 1V. > IIRC the LVDS spec has +100mV and -100mV levels. >Normally, they need a common mode bias of just over 1V, and the >better ones will also tolerate rail-rail drive (on ONE ip), >but at reduced speed specs. >-jg Second that. We've tested the Xilinx Spartan3 LVDS inputs and they are excellent, super-fast comparators. John Article: 96697 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Message-ID: <43FE8A73.55EC3D9C@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Inexpensive small shield enclosures from square tin cans References: <1140586867.550096.271600@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:24:28 GMT LenAnderson@ieee.org wrote: > > From: "Michael A. Terrell" on Thurs, Feb 23 2006 5:59 am > > >LenAnderson@ieee.org wrote: > >> From: "Michael A. Terrell" on Wed, Feb 22 2006 6:45 am > >> >LenAnderson@ieee.org wrote: > > >> >Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > >> >prove it. > >> > >> Me too. ["R-A all the way" :-) ] > > > > Well, I was U-S, (Drafted, for those who don't know) but I tested out > >of a three year electronics school while in basic training and was > >awarded the MOS for a TV Broadcast engineer. I went straight from basic > >training to working in CATV, CCTV, AML type Jerrold Microwave video > >links and even a little RADAR work. > > Departing from the subject, those wanting to know the real HF > military communications of '53 to '60 can download: > > http://sujan.hallikainen.org/BroadcastHistory/uploads/My3Years.pdf > > or > > sujan.hallikainen.org/BroadcastHistory/uploads/AlphabetSoup.pdf > > Personal history, about 10 MB each so they take some time over > dial-ups. > > Harold Hallikainen has a great collection of broadcasting material > of older times (under the org part of the URLs above) plus some > very comprehensive sites in his Links list. Maybe you wish to > contribute something there? > > LenAnderson@ieee.org Thanks, Len, I'll check it out. I have some information that was added to a website about AFRTS's history. http://www.afrts.osd.mil/heritage/page.asp?pg=archive_email1 -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 96698 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: - exray - Subject: Re: A really basic question Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:34:27 -0400 Message-ID: <11vta7iahr7703@corp.supernews.com> References: clifto wrote: > A bit off topic, as it has to do with house wiring. But how does power factor > affect dissipation in the conductors? I'm wondering, for example, if a 1500 > watt capacity and a 30% power factor would overload #14 wire. > To put it into perspective...NEC allows #14 for up to 15 amps when used as a conductor in a 3-core cable. The wire alone is rated for 32 amps for open chassis wiring. I'm not sure how its rated loose in conduit but I suspect that NEC still treats it as 15 A. That said, I don't think NEC takes into consideration...or actually they do in a roundabout way by derating...the power factor variance. I'd say you are in the clear both from a practical and a 'legal' standpoint with 1500 watts load. However, if I were doing this from scratch I'd bump up to #12 or #10 because 14 wire could create an undesirable voltage drop depending on distance. Article: 96699 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Roy Lewallen Subject: Re: A really basic question Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:14:04 -0800 Message-ID: <11vtn3e72dgqo49@corp.supernews.com> References: I'm assuming you're in the U.S. and by "#14" wire you mean 14 AWG. A power factor of 30% means that only 30% of the product of V and I is power being delivered to a load. The rest is simply being moved back and forth in the power system. To get 1500 watts of power at a power factor of 100%, you need P / V amperes. For V = 120 volts, that works out to 12.5 amps. But to get 1500 watts of power with a power factor of 30%, you need P / V / 0.30 = 12.5 / 0.30 = 41.67 amps. Heating in wires is due to the current going through them. Ordinary #14 wire in houses is rated for 15 amps. So you'd be grossly exceeding the rating of the #14 wire in getting 1500 watts with a 30% power factor. [All voltages and currents in this posting are in RMS.] When the power factor is less than 100%, you need more current for the same amount of power, because it requires current to move the "reactive power" -- power moved back and forth without being used up in a load. If by "1500 watt capacity" you actually mean "1500 volt-ampere capacity", then you're ok. In this context, watts are real power, but volt-amperes are the product of V and I, which is the sum of the real power (watts) and "reactive power" (VARs, for "Volt Ampere Reactive"). If you limit your volt-ampere product to 1500 volt-amperes, then your maximum current is 12.5 amps. But if your power factor is 30%, you'll only be delivering 0.30 * 1500 = 450 watts to the load. This is why you'll generally see transformers and other power devices rated by volt-amperes rather than watts. Roy Lewallen, W7EL clifto wrote: > A bit off topic, as it has to do with house wiring. But how does power factor > affect dissipation in the conductors? I'm wondering, for example, if a 1500 > watt capacity and a 30% power factor would overload #14 wire. > From "know code" Fri Feb 24 23:08:42 EST 2006 Article: 96700 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:38:27 +0100 From: know code Reply-To: "know code" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Message-ID: <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2006 16:38:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: s5591cd23.adsl.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1140799107 dr3.euro.net 22768 85.145.205.35:3618 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.218.7.141!news.glorb.com!multikabel.net!feed20.multikabel.net!news2.euro.net!postnews2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu uk.radio.amateur:267505 rec.radio.amateur.policy:256936 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:96700 Plod's Conscience wrote: > When reading this, be on the guard against the Cry Baby (CB), > the Cackling Bully (CB) and the Complete Buffoon (CB)! > > What is Ham Radio? It's Friday afternoon.... Beanies been let out for the weekend :) -- Article: 96701 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "2K1LO" Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> "know code" wrote in message news:43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl... > Plod's Conscience wrote: >> When reading this, be on the guard against the Cry Baby (CB), >> the Cackling Bully (CB) and the Complete Buffoon (CB)! >> >> What is Ham Radio? > > > It's Friday afternoon.... Beanies been let out for the weekend :) > I'm already on the case... http://tinyurl.com/qz3nq Select your chosen location, take aim with the mouse and fire. -- 73de2K1LO -- -------------------------------------------- APRS ROCKS!! - www.g1lvn.org.uk/aprs.htm -------------------------------------------- Article: 96702 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "JIMBO" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:09:07 GMT "Plod's Conscience" wrote in message news:1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > When reading this, be on the guard against the Cry Baby (CB), > the Cackling Bully (CB) and the Complete Buffoon (CB)! ..........or The Chuckle Brothers. (CB) Article: 96703 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Brian Reay" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:15:00 GMT "JIMBO" wrote in message news:T4HLf.59886$mf2.24985@newsfe6-win.ntli.net... > > "Plod's Conscience" wrote in message > news:1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> When reading this, be on the guard against the Cry Baby (CB), >> the Cackling Bully (CB) and the Complete Buffoon (CB)! > > > ..........or The Chuckle Brothers. (CB) Or, of course, the Chippenham Bootee ! -- 73 Brian www.g8osn.org.uk From "know code" Fri Feb 24 23:08:43 EST 2006 Article: 96704 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:51:01 +0100 From: know code Reply-To: "know code" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Message-ID: <43ff4785$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2006 17:51:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: s5591cd23.adsl.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1140803461 dr3.euro.net 22768 85.145.205.35:3618 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.addix.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news2.euro.net!postnews2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu uk.radio.amateur:267520 rec.radio.amateur.policy:256940 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:96704 2K1LO wrote: > "know code" wrote in message > news:43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl... >> Plod's Conscience wrote: >>> When reading this, be on the guard against the Cry Baby (CB), >>> the Cackling Bully (CB) and the Complete Buffoon (CB)! >>> >>> What is Ham Radio? >> >> It's Friday afternoon.... Beanies been let out for the weekend :) >> > I'm already on the case... > > http://tinyurl.com/qz3nq > > Select your chosen location, take aim with the mouse and fire. That is just too funny :) -- Article: 96705 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Dot Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: <16huv19p7nd0vht2k4ro5mttjcldm5l4na@4ax.com> References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:39:32 -0500 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:59:42 +0000 (UTC), "2K1LO" wrote: >> It's Friday afternoon.... Beanies been let out for the weekend :) >> >I'm already on the case... > >http://tinyurl.com/qz3nq > >Select your chosen location, take aim with the mouse and fire. ROFL... just gotta love it! Article: 96706 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Brian Reay" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> <16huv19p7nd0vht2k4ro5mttjcldm5l4na@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:55:44 GMT "Dot" wrote in message news:16huv19p7nd0vht2k4ro5mttjcldm5l4na@4ax.com... >>http://tinyurl.com/qz3nq >> >>Select your chosen location, take aim with the mouse and fire. > > ROFL... just gotta love it! I can't help thinking a size 10 boot would be more appropriate ;-) -- 73 Brian www.g8osn.org.uk Article: 96707 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Three Cheers for PC Fuller!" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> <43ff4785$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:04:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3NSdnbnFLflc12LeRVnyiQ@giganews.com> Three Cheers for PC Fuller! wrote: > > Amazing how many wino shops there are in that location! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4748292.stm -- huLLy Tel: 07976 123278 ICQ 136-987-925 From "know code" Fri Feb 24 23:08:44 EST 2006 Article: 96708 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:12:11 +0100 From: know code Reply-To: "know code" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> <16huv19p7nd0vht2k4ro5mttjcldm5l4na@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Message-ID: <43ff4c7c$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2006 18:12:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: s5591cd23.adsl.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1140804732 dr3.euro.net 22768 85.145.205.35:3618 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.glorb.com!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!feed10.multikabel.net!multikabel.net!feed20.multikabel.net!news2.euro.net!postnews2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu uk.radio.amateur:267525 rec.radio.amateur.policy:256944 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:96708 Brian Reay wrote: > "Dot" wrote in message > news:16huv19p7nd0vht2k4ro5mttjcldm5l4na@4ax.com... > >>http://tinyurl.com/qz3nq >>> Select your chosen location, take aim with the mouse and fire. >> ROFL... just gotta love it! > > I can't help thinking a size 10 boot would be more appropriate ;-) Would that be incitement to violence? Article: 96709 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Whinging Courier Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:38:06 -0000 Message-ID: References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> <16huv19p7nd0vht2k4ro5mttjcldm5l4na@4ax.com> In uk.radio.amateur, Dot belched forth and ejected the following: > On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:59:42 +0000 (UTC), "2K1LO" > wrote: > > >> It's Friday afternoon.... Beanies been let out for the weekend :) > >> > >I'm already on the case... > > > >http://tinyurl.com/qz3nq > > > >Select your chosen location, take aim with the mouse and fire. > > ROFL... just gotta love it! Have you? Why? -- 2E0GBR Article: 96710 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "2K1LO" Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> <16huv19p7nd0vht2k4ro5mttjcldm5l4na@4ax.com> "Dot" wrote in message news:16huv19p7nd0vht2k4ro5mttjcldm5l4na@4ax.com... > On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:59:42 +0000 (UTC), "2K1LO" > wrote: > >>> It's Friday afternoon.... Beanies been let out for the weekend :) >>> >>I'm already on the case... >> >>http://tinyurl.com/qz3nq >> >>Select your chosen location, take aim with the mouse and fire. > > ROFL... just gotta love it! > > Anyone know the location of GB4FUN? it's not showing on APRS at the moment. -- 73de2K1LO -- -------------------------------------------- APRS ROCKS!! - www.g1lvn.org.uk/aprs.htm -------------------------------------------- Article: 96711 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "AAA RF Products" Subject: FS: Copax Connectors, Adapters & Cable assemblies @ great prices Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:27:18 -0800 For your free copy of our new catalog, Please email sales@AAARFProducts.com or see www.aaarfproducts.com or call 949 481 3154 (San Clemente, CA, USA) No minimum order. No handling charges Article: 96712 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Dot Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:26:43 -0500 On 24 Feb 2006 10:13:16 -0800, capivara@gmail.com wrote: >20 years ago, yes. Nowadays, all those people don't bother about >placing an antenna, they just use MSN messenger. What's left on CB >today are people that love radio. Anger and hatred, when allowed to become obsessions know nothing of time or place. They remain as entities unto themselves and will persist long after any inspiration has been removed. Our friend is stuck in a time warp. Article: 96713 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:47:41 GMT Construction thier own gear announcing .. G8IFW I built my own PSU regulated, and better than trio kenwood, 1- 20 amps 12v built my own ATU - after looking at many designs built my own design Photos to proove Designed my own aerial, different to what ive seen on the net and got 9+ to belgrade 40m SSB 50w but even though, finding the parts prooved to be hard even though I have 2 electronics shops local anyone got any air spaced 200w 500pf vairables to sell ? keith Article: 96714 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:49:54 GMT Im glad the free democratic world can operate on amatuer radio without other peoples opinions being forced down their throat yes we must have standards and yes its about time the standard QSO should be about people talking together not some copy of a miltery test if one has to eat dictioneries one would be better off getting a life wouldnt one over articulation, well thats democratic freedom as well, we could try and see the good in the new changes keith Article: 96715 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:08:49 GMT Sheep well one day i met a customer who went on holiday in Greece he picked up the local news paper and was suprised (so woz i) it said the following story the police was driving along a country road and they saw a man in a field being curious and a beady eye they stopped and looked and decide to jump over the fence and arrest a man who was having sex with a donkey (im not suprised) ( you dont know greek donkeys) anyway it turns out he was an english man from east london who was hauled into Court the next day He haw he haw He haw anyway the conversation went on about welsh men now this is ....... ????? another customer present at the time said he Knew a woman who worked on a Welsh Farm and this lady actually witnessed some of the farm workers shagging the sheep, for real bahhhd baahhhd well opinions maybe, but when witnessed by others it is what it is Keith what next, Gay camels, Transvestite horses any way the good news about this news group is we have conversations not some pretend militery operating proceedure. and i still dont see anyone writing E mails in morse do you ? anyone disagree just say your readability 5 rig here is XXX QTH is XXX 73eees good bye that was pointless keith Article: 96716 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:22:03 GMT Worse than M3 CBer`s Worse than Cb`ers MW pirates walk the plank ps ive heard many M3 an G8 and they sound perfectly normal they didnt have one bad word for anyone you dont here them moaning theres good and bad .... keith Article: 96717 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:25:22 GMT Well here the bad Shirts and ties and people who dress like they come out of the 50`s pissy old Y fronts and smelly crouch trousers nylon shirts DSS glass held together by elastoplast, Article: 96718 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Me2 Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:25:22 +0000, Keith wrote: > Well here the bad > Shirts and ties and people who dress like they > come out of the 50`s pissy old Y fronts and smelly > crouch trousers nylon shirts DSS glass held together by > elastoplast, Didn't your doctor warn against mixing alcohol with medication? Article: 96719 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "JIMBO" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:46:26 GMT "Keith" wrote in message news:SYJLf.18305$bw1.710@newsfe2-win.ntli.net... > Well here the bad > Shirts and ties and people who dress like they > come out of the 50`s pissy old Y fronts and smelly > crouch trousers nylon shirts DSS glass held together by > elastoplast, > > > > > Proove it ;~) Article: 96720 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "JIMBO" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140807380.504245.153020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: <4iKLf.53634$m13.34936@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:48:00 GMT "Conrad Poos" wrote in message news:1140807380.504245.153020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > JIMBO wrote: > >> ..........or The Chuckle Brothers. (CB) > > Certifiably Bonkers (CB) > > Poos > Cute Brothers. (CB) Article: 96721 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Me2 Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> <16huv19p7nd0vht2k4ro5mttjcldm5l4na@4ax.com> <1140807119.658240.99260@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:51:59 -0800, Plod's Conscience wrote: > That anyone [snip drivel] Deffo a case of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. Article: 96722 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:48:25 GMT yes the docter warned me, but he thought I was rather attactive, and under new laws the English have made he thought that one I could be a good husband for him but I said theres no way on dis earth that I would marry another man so that was that Article: 96723 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "JIMBO" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <-4idnTcEismk7WLeRVnyiA@giganews.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:52:08 GMT >>> >> Proove it ;~) > > lol, classic Jimbo > > -- > huLLy Thanks....... Article: 96724 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:51:29 GMT More Crumpet needed on the HF bands all this dah di dah business God wots going on Article: 96725 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:51:41 GMT well it come to pass a nice man was having trouble with his aerial so he met others and they had similar troubles he said well I give a good bang every friday night and still nothing happens so we thought is it in the right position ? and the other men said no nothing yet well wot about a SWr he say ar Swr all the F******* time Article: 96726 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:53:43 GMT Ive been let out this weekend as well and im politically correct ive been measured keef Article: 96727 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:55:50 GMT Ps I went into Tescos and said have you got any swivel head razours this lady ses you havent got a swivel head . Article: 96728 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "Keith" References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140804796.522558.306720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:01:28 GMT I fink the price of meths is disgusting Article: 96729 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "From the shack of G1LVN" Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1140807870.537515.192700@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1140808603.680306.237770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1140810568.204172.55970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <6dadncKctfv0-WLeRVnyhg@giganews.com> <1140813126.449685.76000@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1140813326.911536.89230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1140813764.297364.117290@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Three Cheers for PC Fuller!" wrote in message news:SPWdnZR5Xs_87WLenZ2dnUVZ8qOdnZ2d@giganews.com... > > > > Gareth Alun Evans > > 13 Hardens Close > > Chippenham > > Wiltshire > > SN15 3AA > > > > 01249 651897 > > > Pardon? what was that address again? Article: 96730 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Wiggy Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <%ELLf.26050$wl.17212@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:20:43 GMT Plod's Conscience wrote: > When reading this, be on the guard against the Cry Baby (CB), > the Cackling Bully (CB) and the Complete Buffoon (CB)! > > What is Ham Radio? > Please disregard the ramblings of this _egocentric socio-path_. He feeds on flames and craves recognition. One for the killfile. Wiggy From can't afford one.com Fri Feb 24 23:08:49 EST 2006 Article: 96731 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Reply-To: "PC Fuller for Prime Minister" From: "PC Fuller for Prime Minister" Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> <1140820127.757170.234300@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Lines: 13 Organization: Volcano X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:45:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.106.109.163 X-Complaints-To: http://www.ntlworld.com/netreport X-Trace: newsfe5-gui.ntli.net 1140821134 213.106.109.163 (Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:45:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:45:34 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ndsoftware.com!194.168.222.133.MISMATCH!news-out.ntli.net!newsrout1-gui.ntli.net!ntli.net!news.highwinds-media.com!newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe5-gui.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu uk.radio.amateur:267579 rec.radio.amateur.policy:256969 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:96731 "Mr W Z Boson" wrote in message news:1140820127.757170.234300@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> > > Give it a rest for a while. > Spoilsport... tox Article: 96732 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: "From the shack of G1LVN" Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> <1140820127.757170.234300@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Mr W Z Boson" wrote in message news:1140820127.757170.234300@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Give it a rest for a while. > http://tinyurl.com/e839u -- drei unt siebzig de Jait1LVN http://www.g1lvn.org.uk/mrtg.htm -------------------------------------- read rfc1855.txt first and remove .invalid to reply From "know code" Fri Feb 24 23:08:49 EST 2006 Article: 96733 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:16:32 +0100 From: know code Reply-To: "know code" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew Subject: Re: Interested in _REAL_ Ham Radio? (As opposed to Complete Buffoonery (CB)?) Here's the FAQ for you! References: <1140796567.271702.34800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <43ff3683$0$22768$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> <1140820127.757170.234300@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1140820127.757170.234300@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Message-ID: <43ffa1e0$0$76471$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> Organization: Wanadoo NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2006 00:16:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: s5591cd23.adsl.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: 1140826592 dr3.euro.net 76471 85.145.205.35:4410 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.nl Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news2.euro.net!postnews2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu uk.radio.amateur:267588 rec.radio.amateur.policy:256973 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:96733 Mr W Z Boson wrote: > know code wrote: >> Plod's Conscience wrote: >>> When reading this, be on the guard against the Cry Baby (CB), >>> the Cackling Bully (CB) and the Complete Buffoon (CB)! >>> >>> What is Ham Radio? >> >> It's Friday afternoon.... Beanies been let out for the weekend :) >> >> -- > > Good grief everyone - leave him alone. > > He's clearly in need of help and this baiting does him, you, and > amateur radio a disservice. It *is* fun though :) Article: 96734 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: 4CX250B vs Gi7B families... References: <1140825344.868733.266910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:28:44 -0500 MarkAren wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I am contemplating building a 144MHz power amp and looking at various > options. The obvious solution is a pair of push pull 4CX250Bs. > > It appears that the Gi7B and family of Triodes can provide an equally > capable solution. They appear to be much easier to cool, by something > like an Axial Papst Fan (instead of a Snail Blower). The other obvious > advantage is not having to deal with Screen voltage, regulation and > protection. The triodes also look much easier and cheaper to mount > (given the grounded grid). Finally, it seems because of the very low > inter-electrode capacitances, it is quite easy to parallel the Triodes > up as required (even at 432MHz). > > So what is the down side for using these Triodes ? > > Comments and observations appreciated as usual. > > Regards, > > Mark. > In general triodes work best in grounded grid as you then don't have to neutralize them. At 144mhz I'm not sure HOW you would neutralize them. Triodes in GG take more drive power than the tetrodes, so your driver stage need to be beefier. I'm not familiar with the tubes in question but one idea would be to use them grid driven in push-pull with cross over neutralization. Much easier than trying to come up with a neutralization scheme for a single ended amplifier. You will need less drive in this configuration, but still more than with the tetrodes. But you will save money on the screen supply. Down side? Wonder what the sockets cost? At least the 4cx250's can use surplus loctal sockets. (Though the ceramic kind are a bit hard to find, they are out there and cheaper than REAL 4cx250 sockets.) Article: 96735 of rec.radio.amateur.homebrew From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: Crystals wanted References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:42:18 -0500 Gary Schafer wrote: > On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:51:09 -0500, Ken Scharf > wrote: > > >>Gary Schafer wrote: >> >>>I have a homebrew project that I need some crystals for. Need the >>>following: >>> >>> >>> >>>3.300 mhz >>> >>>3.500 mhz >>> >>>10.5 mhz >>> >>>17.5 mhz >>> >>>24.5 mhz >>> >>> >>> >>>Prefer HC6 holders if you have them. Any help out there? >>> >>> >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Gary K4FMX >>> >>>Please reply to garyschafer@comcast.net >> >>Building a 2B clone eh? > > > Kind of. It is a converter for a BC453 (Q5er) that I built many years > ago. It now uses only one 3.5 Mhz crystal, dual conversion, for all > bands. Trying to clean up some of the image problems. > > 73 > Gary K4FMX Since all the frequencies in question are harmonics of 3.5mhz (except 3.3mhz) you could use a PLL to generate them by phase locking a vco to the harmonics of a 3.5mhz oscillator. Use a divide by N circuit to divide down the vco output to 3.5mhz and have a phase detector compare the output of the divider with the 3.5mhz oscillator. Properly shielded, this pll would be as clean as the crystal oscillator.