Article: 323327 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: current limiting resistors From: Larry References: <6n8tj15r7km45dpdvf5ejbsid69pn2hcg8@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:33:53 -0400 philsvintageradios wrote in news:6n8tj15r7km45dpdvf5ejbsid69pn2hcg8@4ax.com: > I "think " this is a relatively new way of designing things. but I > don't know, and i also don't know how zener diodes work. I am hoping > someone can enlighten me because this sounds like it could provide a > good way to protect a radio, perhaps even substitute for a fuse? > > > I know this is difficult for some to accept, but it is now a DIGITAL world. New power supplies are called "switchers". Even the one charging up my new powerboard (electric skateboard) batteries is a switcher. There's no magic analog component in any of them. Their output is perfect...no hum....rock stable voltage up to the current limit...then shutdown until the overload is removed. Nothing "blows", no components pop and smoke, goofproof. Switchers consist of a simple analog full wave rectifier charging capacitors at 120 Hz (100 Hz for the rest of the civilized world, it matters not). They don't even care what voltage you feed them within a wide range....like 85VAC to 280VAC. The circuit simply digests what it's fed into an unregulated, noisy, varying DC power to feed the hungry power switcher transistors. Anything will do in that range, even if it goes up and down 50% per second. This DC is fed to a simple, small IC regulator (sometimes part of the switcher IC, itself) that provides a stable DC to feed the switcher IC. This special IC is a pulse-width-modulated square wave generator, whos pulse width is regulated by an analog-to-pulsewidth converter that compares that zener voltage (it's all in the IC, no hard parts) to the output voltage, even remotely sensed if you like outside the box. The IC simply generates pulses that get wider when the output tries to drop and get narrower when the output tries to rise. A low-value series resistor feeds two more pins on the IC, probably through a simple voltage divider or pot, that lets the IC's current/trip monitor circuit watch the output current. These odd pulses are fed to power transistors, now probably power FET transistors that switch from saturated to off in picoseconds, NEVER operated in the analog region in between. Because of this full on or off, they hardly get warm, even switching a thousand watts. The switching pulses from these power FETs are fed to a toroid transformer because, unlike your analog power supply, they switch at a very high switching frequency, 80 Khz? 100 Khz?...it matters not...it's high, so we need a high frequency transformer. High frequency toroid transformers at tiny little things, not big honking 50/60 Hz beasts that drink copper. There are several output windings, maybe, like the one powering your computer where we need several output voltages (+5, -12, +12, -15, +15 or more in some). The IC's sensing circuit watches the highest load output that would vary the worst. The odd pulses, now all distorted by the toroid and all those harmonics (which matters not), is unceremoniously fed to a rectifier and (relatively) tiny output filter that charges up 100,000 times per second, not 60 or 120, so it's really easy to get rid of the 100Khz (200Khz if full wave rectified) "hum". It just is much easier to average out such high freq pulses into pure DC. The new DC is fed through the series current measuring resistor to the output. (Any drop in this resistor matters not because the voltage measuring point of the switching IC is AFTER this drop.) As a matter of fact NONE of voltage drops in the power supply matter a damn because the IC sets the voltage on the OUTPUT terminals and negates any drops inside. Add remote sensing to measure the voltage 500 yards away in the next building and it even compensates for the outside wiring! If ANYTHING happens, it shuts down. If you short it, it shuts down. If the IC goes crazy, overheats, explodes...it shuts down. Because the power transistors AREN'T hooked directly to the load like an old series analog regulator, if they short...it shuts down. If it overheats, a thermister on the power transistor heatsink warns the IC and....you guessed it....it shuts down. There IS a fuse! It protects the AC power line if the input rectifiers right across the line short, the input cap shorts or the power transistors short...which shuts it down. If there's a huge pulse that DOESN'T blow the input bridge or input filter cap...it's simply absorbed to be used by the switcher. Powerline spikes, now overcharging the input filter cap, cause a momentary pulse drive narrowing because the increase in available input DC tried to make the output go up....it never happened...regulation is 100,000 times per second. I've never figured out why people buy "surge protectors" for PCs with switching power supplies, unless it's really a UPS to KEEP THE POWER COMING...(C; Oh, a new IC is about 75 cents (plus shipping). Power FETs are down to $1.25 to $2.50, depending on how many kilowatts it is. The input fuse costs more. A nice switching power supply would make a great radio power supply for the old girls. You can tailor the output of a switcher design to provide EASY- START, slow rising filament voltages to come up in a nice, slow, controllable curve. Then, after the filaments are stable, have the high voltage power supply, another switcher controlled by the first, come on easy to keep the output transformer from pulsing the power tubes or making a pop in the speaker. After the startup sequence, of course, the switcher would monitor the output and do autoshutdown if the current rises above a preset level. Powering the set off would also have a similar sequence, shut down DC then power down filaments EASY to prevent thermal shock to historic relics. You wouldn't have an ON-OFF switch. (Check out the on-off tiny pushbutton that powers your nice computer monitor, also running on a switcher, of course). -- Larry Article: 323328 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? From: Larry References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:49:39 -0400 Before any of you die, treat yourselves to the finest audio I have ever heard: http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw11428.asp These goofy-looking speakers continuously adjust themselves and their built in 4 digital amplifiers with a built-in computer that constantly measures the room they are in from their own vantage point to make perfect sound. The demo I got had a guy carrying around everything from soft chairs and acoustic panels to a big, reflective, portable wall! You sit there and something SHOULD change, right? I thought it should....it didn't! The silly speakers compensated themselves for the changes in the room....even when people came and went and moved around in the room. I've always appreciated Bang Olufsen's top-of-the-pile audio equipment, quietly going about their business making the best. That tradition continues.... 2500 watts per channel that makes NO SOUND, EVEN WIDE OPEN! Amazing.... Wish I could just shell out the thousands for them.....(snif) Bose my ass.............how awful. -- Larry Of course, if your Ipod just sounds too much, you could get these for it: http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000453036338/ hee hee...."One born every minute"....(c; Article: 323329 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: CC-AWA Fall Swap Meet Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:52:03 GMT Saturday October 29th 7AM til 12noon. At City Lake Park in Jamestown NC. Jamestown in right next to Greensboro. This is the biggest and longest running of our Saturday morning "mini" Swap Meets. There are typically 30+ vendors at this event. Admission is FREE. Vendor setup is only $5. This event as all of of our Saturday morning swap meets starts early, 7-8am and ends before 12noon. If you sleep late and get there after about 10AM all you're likely to see is folks packing up their goodies and heading for lunch. You can find details about all CC-AWA events at our web page at; http://www.cc-awa.org We hope to see you there. Ron KC4YOY Article: 323330 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: EGADS!!!! References: <1128053226.360345.56280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:21:24 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > Anyone here recommend a good retail type inventory control & sales > program??? http://www.retailice.com/ You need to have a reasonably recent computer (500 MHz and running Windows 2K or NT on it) but that's about it. It's almost free. It's perfect for a one pony show. They sell it low on the assumptioni you'll like it, get successful and need all the other stuff they sell. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323331 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:08:19 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> ive always found it hard to take B&O seriously. sounds OK and is mucho overpriced (16k a pair for a set of these bad boys). borderline audiophool gear if you ask me... unless you get it used and cheap. building a microphone into the speakers themselves to monitor and adjust performance is a gimmick. the biggest problem is that your ear isnt at the vantage point of the speakers. im sure it made a 'difference', i just cant see how it made it 'better' necessarily. now if you want to start talking about some wireless clip on device that keeps it solid at the listeners position maybe... to be honest, it all smells of something bose would do. randy "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns96E2968FC11D5noone@63.223.7.253... > Before any of you die, treat yourselves to the finest audio I have ever > heard: > > http://www.bang-olufsen.com/sw11428.asp > > These goofy-looking speakers continuously adjust themselves and their > built > in 4 digital amplifiers with a built-in computer that constantly measures > the room they are in from their own vantage point to make perfect sound. > > The demo I got had a guy carrying around everything from soft chairs and > acoustic panels to a big, reflective, portable wall! You sit there and > something SHOULD change, right? I thought it should....it didn't! The > silly speakers compensated themselves for the changes in the room....even > when people came and went and moved around in the room. > > I've always appreciated Bang Olufsen's top-of-the-pile audio equipment, > quietly going about their business making the best. That tradition > continues.... > > 2500 watts per channel that makes NO SOUND, EVEN WIDE OPEN! Amazing.... > > Wish I could just shell out the thousands for them.....(snif) > > Bose my ass.............how awful. > > -- > Larry > > Of course, if your Ipod just sounds too much, you could get these for it: > > http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000453036338/ > > hee hee...."One born every minute"....(c; Article: 323332 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: AK-60 -- more questions than answers Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:10:16 GMT There is one thing I can say about messing with an AK-60 -- it's a learning experience! This afternoon I decided to clear off a space on my bench and set the radio on it. I started by checking each of those dogbone resistors. Okay, this one's blue, that one's black, and that one's yellow, so I pull out the schematic, only to find "blue, black, yellow"! Well, through an afternoon's worth of research I found that AK had their own way of marking resistors -- and all of them were WAY off. So I bit the bullet and replaced them with modern counterparts, and saved the old ones in case there's a way of stuffing them. Put it back together, set it in place across the room, and turned it on. Volume still very weak, and the whistles are back! So I suppose the next step is to check the capacitors to see what's in store for me there. When it comes to capacitors, the values are (finally!) in the schematic -- but I'm sure I'll be fed some sort of surprise there too. After that, if it still doesn't work, I'll have to find a place fo rthe speaker so I can apply power and troubleshoot. Article: 323333 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: current limiting resistors Message-ID: References: <6n8tj15r7km45dpdvf5ejbsid69pn2hcg8@4ax.com> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:43:54 GMT Larry, Thanks for taking the time to write that description of switching power supplies. I definitely learned something from reading it, and now have a much better appreciation of how they work. Before that, I tended to regard them as a black box. Gordon Richmond Article: 323334 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "C. James Strutz" Subject: How to remove paint? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 19:46:13 -0400 Message-ID: <11ju7tch91hsm9b@news.supernews.com> How do I remove paint from a plastic cabinet without causing damage? Article: 323335 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:28:17 -0400 Message-ID: <11juad6brb7ccab@corp.supernews.com> References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Paul Dietenberger wrote: > the proprietor noticed me looking at it and > offered to sell it to me for $75. > This is the 11-tube, 5-knob mirror-dial set with flash > tuning, second from the top of the line for '37. I'll give you $80- ! :) I have a 4587 fresh from Couldztown, at least they're small footprint! "It looked just like a full size console in the catalog....." John H. Article: 323336 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: novatech@eskimo.com (Steven Swift) Subject: Re: Protecting battery tubes Date: 2 Oct 2005 00:31:21 GMT Message-ID: References: <3d47d$4334c363$4232bd28$26669@COQUI.NET> <1128119436.922475.97020@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "nesesu" writes: >Steven, I find that some 'farm' type battery radios tend to rely on a >low impedance 'B' battery to keep stable, so adding 1K ohms in series >MIGHT upset the IF. May or may not be a problem depending on set >design. The other issue is voltage drop since most 'ordinary' farm sets >draw about 10-15mA of B power, so one has 10-15V loss with 1k in >series. On the other hand, if the set has the filaments in series such >as in AC DC portables, then at 90V B you still would get about 80mA >through the filaments and would likely still seriously damage them. >There never seems to be a simple solution to a simple problem :-( >Neil S. That was the simple answer. Most of my "real" supplies have active current limits set to about 20ma. If you have 1.5v farm radio, which probably takes 250-350ma, you can use a smaller resistor. You're right though, it is not easy and nothing is fool proof. Steven. -- Steven D. Swift, novatech@eskimo.com, http://www.novatech-instr.com NOVATECH INSTRUMENTS, INC. P.O. Box 55997 206.301.8986, fax 206.363.4367 Seattle, Washington 98155 USA Article: 323337 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <4fGdnZXBN9hGXqPenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1128190462.785376.300630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Battery Set Power Cables Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: <433f2b50$0$14236$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> "Jim Strickland" wrote in message news:1128190462.785376.300630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Antique Radio Supply (www.tubesandmore.com) sells such wire by the > foot. It's not cheap, but it's correct. > > -Jim Thanks Jim, I have shopped there many times but never realized that they carried it. Larry Article: 323338 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? From: Larry References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <5OqdnSAsprhZUKPeRVn-tw@giganews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:51:37 -0400 "Phil Nelson" wrote in news:5OqdnSAsprhZUKPeRVn- tw@giganews.com: > but my wife finally put her foot down about that. Mine put her foot down in 1988. She finally left me in 1992. Sometimes I still miss her, sometimes NOT. I have one leased, now. Still no owner's manual, though, dammit. A couple of years back I sent her one of those black Halloween witches hats to go with her broom......(c; -- Larry Article: 323339 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: current limiting resistors From: Larry References: <6n8tj15r7km45dpdvf5ejbsid69pn2hcg8@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:53:24 -0400 Gordon Richmond wrote in news:q54uj1h27lcbs0jdj9nha1i76nii47m05n@4ax.com: > tended to regard them as a black box. > > Gordon Richmond > > Computer techs do, too. They're afraid to even replace the fuse...(c; -- Larry Article: 323340 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: 1 Oct 2005 20:06:03 -0500 Message-ID: <433f31d7$0$214$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128206043.043191.201430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > You think well of B&O. Why? > > I find it to be ineffable crap. But that is just my opinion... and > having dealt with people who feel much the same about AR speakers, I > have learned to be tolerant of deviants. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Let me explain something: companies can change; they can especially be purchased and changed dramatically. B&O, in the past, made gear that was glitzy and gear that was good. I recall one cassette deck that was so good that one or two audiophile record companies were using it to make high-grade cassette releases in real time. Some people considered it the finest cassette deck ever made. I think that they made a few excellent stereo cartridges (I like the geometry of the stylus assembly). However, their abandonment of their installed customer base of turntables was inexcuasable. After all, when your needle wore out, you were completely captive for a replacement: the tonearm would only accept a B&O cartridge, which would only accept a B&O stylus. The company could have at least set up an aftermarket route to a stylus retipper for their customers, but they did not. Their engineering has been highly proprietary, usually requiring specialists for repair. Considering their behavior about the phono styli, I'd never buy one of their products no matter how good. Regarding AR: let's face it. Their early speakers were excellent. Anyone who dismisses them out of hand is talking through a hole in his head. Consider that AR3s were used for a number of years as monitors in many of fine recording studios. What I'm saying is that the AR3 was a reference speaker. Unlike KLH, AR speakers were responsibly constructed and repairable. Although their sound has been surpassed by more modern speakers in transparency and dynamics, the early models are still very musical and very easy to live with. Later, however, AR was acquired by Teldyne, who maintained the original quality for a long time. However, the brand was finally sold to Recoton, who, as was their manner, traded on a fine brand name to sell junk to unsuspecting consumers. I helped a friend repair a pair of more recent, larger AR speakers a couple of years ago and was underwhelmed with the quality. Nothing unusual here. Recoton also had acquired Jensen, which in turn had acquired Advent. Recoton also gathered up other brands (including two German speaker builders). I think that everything they touched turned to crap. Two years ago, I picked up a pair of "AR" speakers at Costco -- after listening to them for one minute, I packed them up and returned them for a refund. I'm glad to see that Recoton has finally gone belly-up: good riddance! But dismissing AR speakers -- well, yes; if we're talking about any with a Florida company address, they're junk. But not the early ones. Those are definitely worth keeping, repairing, even reconing. Bubba Article: 323341 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "C. James Strutz" Subject: Re: How to remove paint? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:16:31 -0400 Message-ID: <11jud6ndophom0c@news.supernews.com> References: <11ju7tch91hsm9b@news.supernews.com> <1128212755.195079.49710@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "nesesu" wrote in message news:1128212755.195079.49710@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > What kind of paint, what kind of plastic?? > Bakelite is very resistant to many paint removers, thermoplasitcs are, > generally, not. > Lacquers, acrylics and oil based paints are more difficult than latex > house paints. It's a Bendix 526B. I don't know how to tell thermoplastic from bakelite. Somebody did a really bad spray job on it with runs, overspray on the dial cover, etc. Article: 323342 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <11juad6brb7ccab@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:23:41 -0500 Message-ID: <433f34f9$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:11juad6brb7ccab@corp.supernews.com... > I'll give you $80- ! :) If it had had the original grille cloth and finish, even a bad one, I'd gladly have given another five bucks for it too. I hate stripping paint but for this set I'll take the time. > I have a 4587 fresh from Couldztown, at least they're small footprint! > "It looked just like a full size console in the catalog....." Yeah, that's the good news. It is kinda small. So, how deep in the restoration queue is yours? paul Article: 323343 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Crazy George" References: Subject: Re: RCA transistors... need help ID'ing Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:40:49 -0500 Message-ID: <433f4c34_4@news1.prserv.net> Mark: That number is typical of the RCA in-house numbers of promotional device which would be subsequently labeled with a customer's number. Unless it was sold to several customers, the likelihood of it appearing on any external publication is minimal. If you want to characterize them, the only feature not externally measurable is the die process. This can be determined under a moderate power microscope (after beheading one) by someone in the semi business, or by comparing one with known RCA products of the era. OTOH, gain, power and frequency range pretty much characterize them anyway, and you can usually guess the die type, unless you also want switching speed or noise figure. The puzzle is why there is no date code, which was a must for semis back then. -- Crazy George "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:lqmdnT-lCbUXf6DeRVn-qg@comcast.com... > Gary, > more likely these were made to spec for a certain job order and were never > cataloged by RCA. > Just thought someone here could "spec them out" for me just for fun. > > Mark Oppat > > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:mld%e.5501$oc.2982@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Mark, > > > > You're right; there is no cross-reference, not even in my old SK book. > This > > leads me to believe this may not be the transistor number -- but what is? > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > > news:gs6dncooGJnrRaHeRVn-qQ@comcast.com... > > >I have a bunch of NOS RCA transisitors, possibly 350 or so, all new in > > > factory box lots. The part # is 903223, or V903223. another # is 2742 > > > with > > > a possible M after that. > > > They are TO-5 case, and PNP, it seems since resistance E-B and C-B runs > > > reverse of a NPN ECG 123A. > > > > > > anyone here can ID these? they are not in the ECG cross ref. I would > > > date > > > them from mid 60's. > > > > > > I can send samples to anyone who could test them for any further > > > characteristics. You can keep the samples. > > > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article: 323344 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Crazy George" References: Subject: Re: RCA transistors... need help ID'ing Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <433f4c7f_2@news1.prserv.net> Mark: That number is typical of the RCA in-house numbers of promotional device which would be subsequently labeled with a customer's number. Unless it was sold to several customers, the likelihood of it appearing on any external publication is minimal. If you want to characterize them, the only feature not externally measurable is the die process. This can be determined under a moderate power microscope (after beheading one) by someone in the semi business, or by comparing one with known RCA products of the era. OTOH, gain, power and frequency range pretty much characterize them anyway, and you can usually guess the die type, unless you also want switching speed or noise figure. The puzzle is why there is no date code, which was a must for semis back then. -- Crazy George "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:lqmdnT-lCbUXf6DeRVn-qg@comcast.com... > Gary, > more likely these were made to spec for a certain job order and were never > cataloged by RCA. > Just thought someone here could "spec them out" for me just for fun. > > Mark Oppat > > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:mld%e.5501$oc.2982@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Mark, > > > > You're right; there is no cross-reference, not even in my old SK book. > This > > leads me to believe this may not be the transistor number -- but what is? > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > > news:gs6dncooGJnrRaHeRVn-qQ@comcast.com... > > >I have a bunch of NOS RCA transisitors, possibly 350 or so, all new in > > > factory box lots. The part # is 903223, or V903223. another # is 2742 > > > with > > > a possible M after that. > > > They are TO-5 case, and PNP, it seems since resistance E-B and C-B runs > > > reverse of a NPN ECG 123A. > > > > > > anyone here can ID these? they are not in the ECG cross ref. I would > > > date > > > them from mid 60's. > > > > > > I can send samples to anyone who could test them for any further > > > characteristics. You can keep the samples. > > > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From garnieatsaskteldotnet Fri Oct 7 11:48:00 EDT 2005 Article: 323345 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: garnie Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: AK-60 -- more questions than answers Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:51:34 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 43 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-11!sn-xit-05!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:323345 Some of those chassis have a flexible bleeder resistor off the volume control. The resistor itself is under the chassis. I had a set which wouldn't play (atleast I couldn't hear anything) and finally I came across a cold solder joint on one end of this resistor. One end of the nichrome was actually poking out of the solder a bit and I could buzz from it to the other end of the resistor just fine, but nothing if the probes were on the solder joints at each end. Some cleaning of the nichrome, and some liquid flux, and it soldered up fine. I plugged the set in and it played absolutely great! Your mileage may vary ... Regards, Garnie On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:10:16 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >There is one thing I can say about messing with an AK-60 -- it's a learning >experience! > >This afternoon I decided to clear off a space on my bench and set the radio >on it. I started by checking each of those dogbone resistors. Okay, this >one's blue, that one's black, and that one's yellow, so I pull out the >schematic, only to find "blue, black, yellow"! > >Well, through an afternoon's worth of research I found that AK had their own >way of marking resistors -- and all of them were WAY off. So I bit the >bullet and replaced them with modern counterparts, and saved the old ones in >case there's a way of stuffing them. > >Put it back together, set it in place across the room, and turned it on. >Volume still very weak, and the whistles are back! > >So I suppose the next step is to check the capacitors to see what's in store >for me there. When it comes to capacitors, the values are (finally!) in the >schematic -- but I'm sure I'll be fed some sort of surprise there too. > >After that, if it still doesn't work, I'll have to find a place fo rthe >speaker so I can apply power and troubleshoot. > Article: 323346 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <11ju7tch91hsm9b@news.supernews.com> Subject: Re: How to remove paint? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 03:29:42 GMT A couple of things to try: On car radios I nearly always repaint the dial pointer, using fluorescent red-orange. On Delco and some others, the pointer is clear plastic, painted on the inside. I can remove this old paint quickly using lacquer thinner -- and it doesn't harm the plastic. Something else I've used with some success, is nail polish remover. If you have a small amount of paint, such as overspray, this often takes it off -- and so far I haven't hurt any plastics with it. In the world of model trains, one favorite way to remove paint from plastic car bodies is to soak it in brake fluid. Supposedly the brake fluid doesn't harm the plastic, but I've seen it turn into a satin finish that I haven't seen with lacquer thinner. Then again, the lacquer thinner does it with one wipe, where the brake fluid takes an hour or two. No matter what you do, go easy -- and if possible test an inconspicuous area before using it on outside surfaces. There are a lot of plastics out there, and just because it works with Delco dial pointers doesn't mean it's good for everything. "C. James Strutz" wrote in message news:11ju7tch91hsm9b@news.supernews.com... > How do I remove paint from a plastic cabinet without causing damage? > Article: 323347 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: OT: Wanted - stereo chip Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 23:53:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3q93ufFdqj2qU1@individual.net> References: Engineer wrote: > Hi, vacuumlanders, > A bit off topic, well... off the time line, but I need a stereo > decoder chip for a Sansui 5050. It's an HA1196, DIP16 package, circa > 1975 and used in a lot of FM tuners of that vintage. > A google search has come up with US$1.39 each (great!) but shipping at > US$12 rather kills it unless I buy 10 (same shipping), but my max is > two! > So, does anyone have this chip to sell or exchange? Please email me > at "analogdino 'at' rogers 'dot' com". > Many thanks, and cheers, > Roger > Toronto, Canada. it has a ECG replacement ECG1484 moyers electronics has got it listed for $8.59 plus shipping. there is no minimum order. http://www.moyerelectronics.com/ mouser electronics has got the NTE replacement for $5.95 however, your better off going for the one that you quoted in your OP. considering that a IC that old is still availble at all. most analog audio chips of that age has allready been discontinued allready & are not available at any price. -- The Shadow Knows Article: 323348 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Sony 8-301W is this the right newsgroup?? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:54:38 -0600 Message-ID: References: thx guys. ill pass the info along! randy Article: 323349 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" References: Subject: Re: EGADS!!!! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 03:54:21 GMT Mark, Perhaps you should have your website partially up, and testing. Then slowly add on all the features and merchandise when you go full throttle! That way, you can eliminate the time wasting B.S. you were complaining about. Web sites are like EBay, you can do the stuff on your down time. Anyways, my $0.02 Omer "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:MKWdnW6i-fEnfKDeRVn-hg@comcast.com... > Dave, you got that right! I was selling fairly heavy on ebay all last > winter... it was mostly pretty easy and I like it best because I can do it > on my schedule...when ever I have time. > > Mark Oppat > > > "David Stinson" wrote in message > news:Yl9%e.1348$4h2.1085@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> >> Now you know why I swore off of selling anything directly >> on a newsgroup, Mark. >> One nice thing about Ebay is that it supplies a framework >> of routines to which people usually adhere, >> bypassing all that frustrating fiddle-dee-dee. >> D.S. >> >> > > > Article: 323350 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:01:46 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128206043.043191.201430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> like cal said, they've had some good products. imho people who buy B&O dont buy it for the sound, but because it looks cool and scores high on the gadget meter. its the bose for people with money. randy "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1128206043.043191.201430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > You think well of B&O. Why? > > I find it to be ineffable crap. But that is just my opinion... and > having dealt with people who feel much the same about AR speakers, I > have learned to be tolerant of deviants. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 323351 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: EGADS!!!! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:09:11 GMT Mark, I understand all of what you're saying, but there's one thing that seems to be misunderstood about websites. They are NOT a form of advertising! Uploading a website isn't going to bring you hoardes of customers the first day. Trust me, it's going to do very little in terms of capturing customers. The website does this: AFTER a customer finds out about your business, he may look at your website to see what you offer. If he wants knobs for his old radio, he may be forwarded to the website, which will explain the fact that knobs are available, and will explain who to call ot e-mail and how to order. In my case, which I'll use for an example simply because this is where I have experience, I wrote the website to answer questions about radio repair and stereo conversions. Sure, I threw in a few keywords and worked on getting the search engines to discover my page, but the cast majority of customers -- even now -- were directed to this site after finding my name elsewhere. To a small degree a website can be counterproductive -- members of the general public may find it, and send you an e-mail asking for a remote control for a Hitachi big screen TV. You, as well as I, run specialized businesses which cater to special interests, so we should keep our advertising geared toward the markets we serve. That's fine with our websites because, although you'll get a small amount of traffic from web surfers, generally the only people who will visit it are those who have been directed to it from elsewhere. A good advertising campaign would be to run ads which direct customers to your website, then display your products on the site. If you're worried about too much/too little customer traffic, you can regulate it with the number of ads you run. But don't shy away from having a website due to fear of too much business. What you'll get from the website are customers who, before asking you questions, have already received many of your answers before they came calling. It was mentioned you may want to do inventory control. This can be done to some degree when using online shopping. In my case it does inventory, but I drop ship most products so I just set everything to 1,000 in stock just to get the products up. If I were you I'd forget taking/posting thousands of photos, and just make a simple site which explains that you have knobs -- and if someone has a need, instructions on how to send an order and describe the knob. I had the website for years before I added online shopping, and to be honest I've received very little traffic from the online shopping side. It pays for itself, so there's no reason to drop it, but if this page were my livelihood I'd starve. Unless you have some hot selling products, the online shopping -- or even the photos of each and every knob -- is not worth it. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:HtGdnW2XDM2hfKDeRVn-gw@comcast.com... > No, Gary, > the reason I have not set up a website is I dont want to unleash the FLOOD > of business before I am better organized to handle it. My wife is helping > me more and more now since she left retail last year after 24 years with > the > same company. > > When the collectors see what I have here, they are gonna be ordering and > asking all kinds of questions, and I just dont want that yet. That is > the > only reason, honest. My customers now are mostly pretty knowledgable, > and > I like that. Every so often I get a bunch of the "20 emails for a knob" > types.. and that just drives me nuts. > > I am working on getting a lot of stuff better set up for higher volume > sales. My first step was to sell off a bunch of the spare books, > "audiophile" type tubes and high end consoles I have been hoarding for > years. That is almost done. I sold about 18 consoles last year from my > own > collection. Next, I need to better organize the shop for incoming repairs > and sets waiting to be picked up. > > I just bought a 4 unit apt house next door, and it has a carriage barn > with > it that has a loft, I am building stairs to that so I can put the lesser > used stock up there... its about 400 sf up there. I have just spent the > better part of 5 weeks getting three units fixed up and rented. > > Then, I have a 2.5 car garage stuffed with stock and customer sets. I > also have two other locations filled. I have now freed up some space in > the > shop that needs to be fully reorganized for the Blais dials.... its a > long > haul... so, that is what is going on. > > Also, I have a full house repaint going on with a victorian era rental > house > down the street... gotta replace lots of trim that was removed when they > put > the crappy > "Insul-Brick" siding on in the 40's. Some of it has to be made at a > millwork shop. This stuff takes much of my time. It will decrease > hopefully to zero by Nov. 1. and I can go back to full time radio work. > As > it is now, I am still turning out about 2 sets a week anyways.... and, > filling the parts orders. > Last weekend I did another sound/lighting gig on Sat/Sun for an old buddy > who hires me about 4 times a year... it was a hair/nail fashion event > with > a total of about 10 PA/lighting systems, some in "break out" rooms, some > in > a trade show area. I had 4 rooms to set up/monitor. > Plus, I am the publicity agent for MARC, and I am appearing on a well > known > talk show tomorrow morning (WXYT AM 1270, Detroit area,... might be on the > web too... 8am-10am the "Appliance Doctor show") so there goes tomorrow > morning.... > egads. > > Mark Oppat > > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:Pl9%e.1347$4h2.662@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> Mark, >> >> Following this thread, it appears you don't want to set up a website > because >> it's a ton of extra work to build and maintain. >> >> Bzzzztt!!! -- WRONG! Anything new that you haven't tried yet may seem >> complicated and cumbersome, but that's not the case. You might get a >> program like Front Page, and you may have to study it for a little while, >> and then it all clicks -- gee, that's easy! Once you've set up a website >> you'll love the fact that you have it. >> >> Years ago I was getting lots of e-mails, asking the same questions over > and >> over. What is a conversion? How much does it cost? What do I do? How >> long does it take? They're all legitimate questions, but I was wearing >> myself out answering them over and over again. >> >> I started out by writing a few macros. With the click of a couple of >> keys > I >> could get a paragraph or two explaining prices and turnaround times. >> This >> made things easier, but it was still a nuisance. After about a week of >> doing that I decided to put up a website. >> >> I checked into HTML software (remember this was about 8 years ago) and > found >> all sorts of programs that had you writing HTML code. GEEZ, I remember > the >> bad ol' days of writing code in MS-DOS, or even CP/M and BASIC! I > couldn't >> believe that the general public was making websites by writing it all out > in >> code! Shopping around I found Claris Home Page, and brought it home. > This >> had several disks, a book that resembled the Yellow Pages, and I believe >> a >> few templates. Turns out that 99% of it was backgrounds and crap, and >> the >> program itself -- without the fluff -- was extremely simple. Although I >> wouldn't recommend it now (unless there's an updated version), I was >> using >> Claris up until last year. Today I use Front Page. >> >> There is only one bugaboo in the whole process, and that is uploading the >> website to the server. For this I use WS-FTP. There are various >> versions >> of this, and some of them are free and downloadable. The bugaboo is with >> setup -- you have to plug in all of the addresses and such. However once >> this is done, uploading is also a piece of cake. >> >> Front Page is a lot like Word -- in fact you can write websites in Word, > but >> it's buggy. Go into Front Page and type what you want -- use whatever >> fonts, whatever sizes, and import your GIF or JPG graphics where you want >> them. You may also choose a background color, or put in a background >> pattern. One word of caution: don't go crazy with fonts; try to use the >> standard ones, such as Times New Roman or Arial. If you use something > like >> Helvetica Light, more than likely the fellow viewing it doesn't have this >> font on his computer, and it will substitute something else -- and look >> funny. >> >> Once you've got your page the way you want it, go into WS-FTP. Copy all > the >> files from the left column to the right column, and you're done! If you >> make an update, which is usually to the home page called index.html, just >> make the changes, go to WS-FTP, and copy index.html from the left to the >> right It only takes seconds. >> >> There is another way to write a website. Some places offer web hosting. >> One such is Sam's Club -- if you buy their super deluxe membership card, >> they provide web hosting. You go to your website using Netscape or > Internet >> Explorer, go to ADMIN, and sign in. From there you can "write" your page >> online, using software on the site that you don't have to download. It's > a >> little strange at first, but once you get used to it it's easy. The good >> news here is that you have unlimited help. Call those guys on the phone >> with your questions, and they'll walk you through it. In the case of > Sam's, >> they are extremely helpful. The advantage of Sam's is the online >> shopping >> feature -- someone may click on an item to buy it, and I'll get an e-mail >> with the information. >> >> If you want an example of both ways to do it, take a look at mine. I >> actually have two websites, and believe it or not I have two home pages. >> Most of my stuff is on the side that's written in Front Page. The >> "other" >> home page, and the online shopping, is done with the Sam's Club hosting. >> You could, theoretically, put each and every knob on the online shopping >> site -- and let me tell you this is tedious work, but it's NOT mandatory > by >> any stretch. However you might want to at least look at how it's done -- >> for example, click on the credit card logo on my first home page. You > will >> be asked to fill out a form, which will be sent to me by secure e-mail. > You >> could write a form like this which would ask for knob color, shaft >> length, >> etc. >> >> In any case, here are the URL's: >> >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >> >> This is my normal home page. You may navigate anywhere from here, and >> you >> may notice the change in appearance if you click on the "Don't cut that >> dash" portion, which takes you to the online shopping page. Also from > this >> home page, you can click on the credit card logo which will present you > with >> a form to fill out. >> >> My "other" home page is at: >> >> http://www.taymanelectrical.samsbiz.com >> >> The reason I wrote the second page, I'm a Custom Autosound dealer. > Strange, >> I sell very few stereos, but I indeed sell a lot of speakers -- with >> conversions. In any case I wrote this page for the purpose of linking it >> from Custom Autosound's page. Notice the stereo conversions are >> downplayed -- they wouldn't like a link from their website to another >> site >> that features their competitor! >> >> Anyway, you're invited to take a look. No, this is not commercial, as I >> don't think the people on this newsgroup are interested in car stereos. > So >> disregard the products -- look at the site itself. >> >> >> -- >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >> >> >> "Mark Oppat" wrote in message >> news:t4GdnbGmbpT466HeRVn-tA@comcast.com... >> > You all know, I have tons of parts here, like fresh stock capacitors, >> > rare controls, tubes, and, lots of knobs.But this parts business is > just >> > driving me crazy lately. Here's why: >> > >> > Instead of sending me an email stating clearly what they need, I get >> > about >> > 12 emails, all to sell one measly $10 knob. It goes like this: >> > >> > email #1: >> > Hi, I was referred by xxx and he says you sell knobs. do you? >> > >> > Me: yes. send me a pix or tell me what set >> > >> > Email #2 >> > Its brown and has swirls. goes on a Crosley. >> > >> > Me: OK, that narrows it down to about 1000 types. I need to know the >> > shaft >> > type, the size, and really, need a pix or model and brand of set. >> > >> > #3: I have attached a pix. >> > Me: that pix is so dark, and you shot it from the other room. take > the >> > knob you want matched off and shoot it closer. >> > >> > #4 : OK heres a better shot >> > Me: OK now I see it. You only shot the front, what shaft does this > fit? >> > >> > #5: 1/4" >> > Me: half round, serrated or full round??? >> > >> > #6: half round. >> > me: let me check >> > >> > #7 OK, I found it. $10 + $2 post >> > >> > (two weeks later) >> > #8 I need a knob for a Crosley 515 >> > Me: do you still want the knob I found for you 2 weeks ago? >> > >> > #9 oh, yeah, thats for this, I forgot. How much for it? >> > Me: $10+ $2 post. send money, here's my address, I take paypal, MO, >> > checks. >> > >> > #10: can you send me a pix of your knob so I can see it? >> > >> > ..........!!!!!!!!! >> > >> > and it just keeps on and on and on!!! I now get between 12 and 25 >> > radio >> > emails per DAY. >> > >> > I try to be nice to folks but my patience just is gone now....Its > getting >> > to >> > be 45mins or more, in emails and searching , just for one stinking >> > knob....almost no one every emails saying "HI, I need a knob for a >> > Crosley >> > 515, it fits a 1/4" half round shaft. Here is a clear pix for > reference". >> > THAT would do it, all in ONE email! >> > >> > I hope anyone looking for knobs sees this and reforms before they >> > inquire.... I am about ready to quit selling parts... its sure not as >> > profitable as restoring radios. >> > >> > and, dont say a website is the answer, there is no way I am going to > shoot >> > pix of every knob I own... eventually I will have pix of the most > common >> > ones though. >> > >> > so, please have mercy on the parts man... >> > >> > Mark Oppat >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > Article: 323352 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: CTC-10 remote control problems Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:07:41 -0700 Message-ID: <5694-433F5D0D-421@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: <1128223898.004980.131540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Frenchy, I'm unfamiliar with the remote system you have there, and this is strictly a shot in the dark. But is there a 'toggle' function performed by one button that swtiches another set of buttons between functions? F'rinstance, another brand's system used the sound mute button to toggle the channel up/down function over to control tint, and the volume up/down buttons over to control color up/down. Of course if your system uses all-dedicated buttons, disregard the above. Bill(oc) Article: 323353 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: AK-60 -- more questions than answers Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:21:14 -0700 Message-ID: <5694-433F603A-422@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: Gary, This may be a dumb question, but have you verified that the speaker field is energized? If it's not, residual magnetism will still allow the speaker to work but at greatly reduced volume. Regarding the whistles and birdies on a TRF set, have you tried shutting off all nearby devices that contain a switching power supply? Bill(oc) Article: 323354 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43394ECC.EDC3E044@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Anyone need a old tube type Ham Amp ?? References: <4338AAB3.6B5F4BF7@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:53:16 GMT Larry wrote: > > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in > news:4338AAB3.6B5F4BF7@earthlink.net: > > > I gave up on CB radio when I graduated from High school in 1970. > > > > -- > > ? > > > > Michael A. Terrell > > Central Florida > > > > > > Aw, C'mon Michael! CB is still a lot of fun on a trip. Larry, I can't take trips. The one hour ride to the VA hospital in Gainsville leaves me in pain even though I'm riding in a full size DAV van like some companies use as an airport "Limo". > I've been a CBer > since I was a ham. FCC just screwed up giving them the 11 meter ham band, > that's all, more bureaucratic bungling-as-usual. Class A CB on 460Mhz > was/is very useful. My first CB call started with 20W in upstate NY. It > was a Knight Kit that had a 6AW8? transmitter...something like that. > Regenerative receiver and a vertical dipole up 60' between two 2X4s nailed > to a big pine tree sticking out sideways. When CB came on there was no > rules about working DX. I used to chat with 6W3202, a call I can never > seem to forget. He was a Smokey Mountains National Park ranger who used to > go up on Clingman's Dome (mountain top) and work DX. Great fun on the > little regen transceiver with the tape recorder mic. There was a lever > knob on a momentary-contact rotary switch on the front of the Bud box the > kit was built into. I remember having to wind my own coils on the kit's > forms. Knight Kit CB-1 I think its number was. Rich folks could afford > Globe and Gonset and Raytheon radios with more than one channel....(c; > > You had to be 18 to hold a CB license. I was 13 or 14, I forget. My > mother was terrified I would be drafted by the Army when that license came. > I lied about my age...(c; My did signed the application when I was in high school. KDL-1069 > Heathkit came out with this black leatherette box with a chrome grillwork > in the front. It had one big, black knob in the front that was the volume > control. The speaker was also the mic. A little red button on the side > keyed its tiny transmitter, something like 100mw. That was my first CB > walkie talkie and every kid wanted one. I used to be able to build one in > about an hour from scratch without the instructions after the first 10 or > so...like the HW-12, 22, 32 and HW-18 for Civil Air Patrol on 4 Mhz USB. I > built hundreds of Heathkits for a lot of people in high school. > > -- > Larry > I bought two 5W CB walkies, all 40 channels, Radio Shack TRC-222 from the > thrift shop for $8. One had a bad battery jack. The other one worked > fine. Has an RCA antenna jack on the side for your 108" stainless > whip...(c; I have a half dozen CB radios laying around, but no interest to even see if they work. The last time I used one was in 1987. I had it in my step van when I moved from Ohio to Florida. It was on the whole 1000 mile trip for two trips south and one trip north. What little I heard on it was a waste of time and materials to install it. No one reported wrecks or blocked roads ahead, or alerted anyone to bad drivers on the interstate. All I heard saw garbage like the foul mouthed flame fests on the rec.radio.amateur newsgroups for over 3000 boring miles where I could barely pick up a radio station for news or music. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 323355 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: EGADS!!!! Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 03:55:36 -0600 Message-ID: References: absolutely. there seems to be this general attitude out there that if you build a website people will magically come flying to it. in most cases you would do better to set up a board on two milk crates by the side of the road in terms of getting new customers. randy > I understand all of what you're saying, but there's one thing that seems > to be misunderstood about websites. They are NOT a form of advertising! > Uploading a website isn't going to bring you hoardes of customers the > first day. Trust me, it's going to do very little in terms of capturing > customers. Article: 323356 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: AK-60 -- more questions than answers References: <5694-433F603A-422@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:15:02 GMT Here are a couple websites that might help, http://www.atwaterkent.info/ Check out the modern drawings http://www.atwaterkent.info/TechData/akDrawingIndex.html Bill Sheppard wrote: > Gary, > This may be a dumb question, but have you verified that > the speaker field is energized? If it's not, residual magnetism will > still allow the speaker to work but at greatly reduced volume. > Regarding the whistles and birdies on a TRF set, have > you tried shutting off all nearby devices that contain a switching power > supply? > Bill(oc) > Article: 323357 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: BA Transmitter 2 pin mic connectors Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:42:16 GMT For all you BA transmitter guys, here's a link to a page with info about 2 pin microphone plugs and panel mount connectors. http://radioheaven.homestead.com/2pinmicplug.html Please email me directly if you're interested. 73, Ron kc4yoy (AT) carolina.rr.com Article: 323358 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Zenith Radio Phono question Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:53:22 GMT Model 12H090 A friend down the street is working on this for his sister in law. There's an out-rigger preamp for the phono but it is missing the tube. It's an 8-pin Loctal. Any suggestions? Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323359 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: Subject: Re: Not my auction, but this would be a great addition to someone's bench! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:59:22 GMT "Brenda Ann" wrote in message news:dhlpug$697$1@news2.kornet.net... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6566165959&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 > Invalid Item This listing (6566165959) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction canceled. If anybody contacts you to complete the sale, please ignore the request. Completing the sale outside of eBay may be unsafe and will not be covered by eBay purchase protection programs. Article: 323360 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: AK-60 -- more questions than answers Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:53:27 -0600 Message-ID: <12838-433FF467-206@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: First does it matter on this set if the resistors or wire are original ? these are real common low value radios anyway . If those resistors test close to what they should be put them back . The inside hole in them is about the size of pencil led . Do a quick ohm test on the transformers volume control and speaker field coil . I have fixed dozens of these AK type chassis over the years and none of them sounded real clear .. always a bit distorted on most stations . Fixing resistor values did little if anything unless one was totaly open I understand if this is a fun pesonalized project for your collection I just dont want to see you knock yourself out expecting a super preforming radio . Article: 323361 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <433FFA93.5DB9629D@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: EGADS!!!! References: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:18:53 GMT xrongor wrote: > > absolutely. there seems to be this general attitude out there that if you > build a website people will magically come flying to it. in most cases you > would do better to set up a board on two milk crates by the side of the road > in terms of getting new customers. > > randy > > > I understand all of what you're saying, but there's one thing that seems > > to be misunderstood about websites. They are NOT a form of advertising! > > Uploading a website isn't going to bring you hoardes of customers the > > first day. Trust me, it's going to do very little in terms of capturing > > customers. Randy, my first website didn't show up on Google for over four months. I have a couple other sites with no links from the outside that still haven't been found by search engines, which is fine because I don't want them listed. They are used for schematics or pictures of projects, and will be replaced with other files at random times. The only way to get a lot of traffic is to have a site with very wide appeal and a lot of content. You don't have to let everyone in the world know what's going on, till you are ready. Mark, I like the idea of photos of the knobs, done properly. With an index by brand, model and part number it would help people identify the knob they need without you having to do so much work each time. Do a few a week, starting with the most popular. Also start a section of unknown knobs that you can't identify. Over a few years it can evolve into a knob database that can be put on a CDROM and sold to radio collectors. If you decide to go with a shopping cart, you will have the pictures to go with the product. Another approach is to put the prices on a separate page where you list them however you want. I would do it by brand/model/function/all, but its up to you. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 323362 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "william_b_noble" References: <1127595696.26394af8e834cf36b953e212c350d598@teranews> Subject: Re: HP 432 RF power meter Message-ID: <1128266452.ba8a72834346c4ba5a27aa7cb391b11b@teranews> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:20:29 -0700 I relisted this item with a lower price, if you would like one for your bench (or for parts - though they probably work) here's the new link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7550982349 also listed some more car radios and an old ford spotlight should that stuff strike your fancy (cheap) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8004360128 & http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8004361620 & http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4579637664 & http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7551003555 & "william_b_noble" wrote in message news:1127595696.26394af8e834cf36b953e212c350d598@teranews... > picked up two of these, one is on e-bay here: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7549187829 > > I will end up selling both - if you are interested, feel free to contact > me off the list. > > use this email (remove spaces, etc) > > william_ b_ noble at MSN daught com > > -- > Bill > Article: 323363 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <433FFB7C.83617738@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Zenith Radio Phono question References: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:22:46 GMT Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > Model 12H090 > > A friend down the street is working on this for his sister in law. > There's an out-rigger preamp for the phono but it is missing the > tube. It's an 8-pin Loctal. Any suggestions? > > Jeff > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Is there a chassis number? I have all the early Sams record changer manuals, and I might be able to find something. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 323364 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "william_b_noble" References: Subject: Re: EGADS!!!! Message-ID: <1128266710.851f6b02f4f320e92a757fa558531bf2@teranews> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:24:51 -0700 it depends on your time frame - my site draws folks two ways - word of mouth/email (I get inquiries for my site url), and via google type searching - when folks buy faceplates and pumps from me, I assume it's frequenty word of mouth, but when someone finds some obscure item that I've forgotten about listed on the site, I am pretty sure that it was from using a search engine. but it takes a long time for the spiders to crawl the web and find you and your stuff, and exact phrases are important. bill "xrongor" wrote in message news:dhoaqn$4su2$1@news3.infoave.net... > absolutely. there seems to be this general attitude out there that if you > build a website people will magically come flying to it. in most cases > you would do better to set up a board on two milk crates by the side of > the road in terms of getting new customers. > > randy > >> I understand all of what you're saying, but there's one thing that seems >> to be misunderstood about websites. They are NOT a form of advertising! >> Uploading a website isn't going to bring you hoardes of customers the >> first day. Trust me, it's going to do very little in terms of capturing >> customers. > > Article: 323365 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: EGADS!!!! Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:31:05 -0600 Message-ID: <12837-433FFD39-769@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: <433DE4F8.8B4BCF86@optonline.net> A good thing to have on a website is one of those forms that MUST have every question blank filled out or pull down menu selected or it wont let the email go through . Mark i dont know you well .. Is your shop a big mess of piles and boxes all piled around like most guys i know ??? having things in order can save hours and days of time hunting for stuff . I have worked in sales for the public in every job i had . It does not matter how perfect you do your business there are always a few people who can never be pleased or helped . An example last week .. I sold a guy a battery powered miter saw missing the battery and charger . I told him you MIGHT be able to find a battery or you could modify the plastic lip to fit anoter battery IF you are good at that sort of thing . I sold him the saw for 5$ ( thats five dollars )as-is no returns . The Following week he came back and said he cant find a battery and wants to bring it back . I said no i sold that to you cheap as-is and you agreed ... the guy went nuts over loosing 5$ and the fact i told him he COULD find a battery with no problem then said he would never come back again . All i can figure is these type of people can only hear a loud hum inside their head and just dont hear what is said . That is the very first time ever had a 5$ as-is item try to come back .. I`m glad the guy kicked himself out :-) Article: 323366 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:50:09 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: AK-60 -- more questions than answers References: <12838-433FF467-206@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Ken G. wrote: > First does it matter on this set if the resistors or wire are original ? > these are real common low value radios anyway . > > I have fixed dozens of these AK type chassis over the years and none of > them sounded real clear .. always a bit distorted on most stations . > Fixing resistor values did little if anything unless one was totaly open > I understand if this is a fun pesonalized project for your collection > I just dont want to see you knock yourself out expecting a super > preforming radio . > One of the nice things about a hobby is you can do things half-a$$ed or to the best of your ability...there's no time card to punch or boss jumping on your back...maybe not even a financial consideration. Its only to please the individual himself. I remember doing stuff like building birdhouses in Cub Scouts. They may have come out looking awful but I was proud of them because I put forth effort and did it to the best of my ability. Hobbying wouldn't be much fun if you didn't come out with some pride from your accomplishments. -Bill Article: 323367 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" Subject: FS: Zenith 7J259 Console Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:24:37 -0500 Anybody want to buy my 7J259? It works great and looks great. It could use a new dial belt, it slips sometimes. All the caps were replaced a few years back. What do you think is a fair price? http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/2591.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/2592.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/2593.jpg -- 73 and good DX. B.H. Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 323368 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:17:23 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128206043.043191.201430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "John Stone" wrote in message news:BF658A84.27372%jmsent2@comcast.net... > > > > On 10/1/05 5:34 PM, in article > 1128206043.043191.201430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Peter Wieck" > wrote: > >> You think well of B&O. Why? >> >> I find it to be ineffable crap. But that is just my opinion... and >> having dealt with people who feel much the same about AR speakers, I >> have learned to be tolerant of deviants. >> > Peter, why do you think B&O is "ineffable crap"? > I worked for B&O for 8 years, from 1984 to 1992 in their technical > department. I traveled to Denmark 5-10 times a year and worked directly > with > their engineers. The fact is, they have one of the most advanced > loudspeaker development facilities in all of Europe-way ahead of anything > AR > ever dreamed of. They have been heavily involved in pure research, > partnering with the likes of KEF and a number of prestigious universities. > They have tremendous capabilities both in development and manufacture. > Now, as for their products: B&O has always been about melding form and > function. They long ago gave up making speakers in rectangular wood boxes, > concentrating rather on modern materials and shapes. So much of their > research has concentrated on getting high performance from less than ideal > cabinets. They have done this by going for active speakers with internal > compensation, some using digital amps with thousands of watts of output. > I cannot believe that those who consider the new Beolab 5 as junk have > ever > seriously auditioned it. This speaker is an engineering tour de force, > that > sounds incredibly good. In some respects it approaches state of the art. > The > built in measuring program with the motorized microphone isn't just a > gimmick, it actually does work by using complex algorithms to sense room > modes via delta measurements. for the record i never said they are junk. just way way way way way overpriced. but this is a serious question. how does a microphone in the speaker itself have all that much to do with making it sound good at the listeners position? how can those mic's tell if im sitting in a bass null spot in the room or if someone is standing between me and the speakers? randy Article: 323369 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? From: Larry References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128206043.043191.201430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:43:26 -0400 John Stone wrote in news:BF658A84.27372%jmsent2@comcast.net: > I cannot believe that those who consider the new Beolab 5 as junk have > ever seriously auditioned it. This speaker is an engineering tour de > force, that sounds incredibly good. In some respects it approaches > state of the art. They never heard them. They think 6V6 in push pull sounds good all mushy and distorted. Thanks for your post, John. Those ARE the finest sounding speakers I ever heard. It was an amazing demonstration. -- Larry Article: 323370 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Zenith Radio Phono question References: <433FFB7C.83617738@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:11:13 GMT Bill Cohn wrote: > The missing tube is a 7F7 and this is a special preamp for Zenith Cobra > cartridges. This is NOT a magnetic cartridge preamp. Thanks Bill And yeah, I should have mentioned that it was indeed a Cobra. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323371 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: CTC-10 remote control problems Message-ID: References: <1128223898.004980.131540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <5694-433F5D0D-421@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> <1128286233.472444.227480@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:58:34 GMT Frenchy, It might be something like a latching relay for motor reversal. Hit the button once, and the motor runs forward as long as you hold the button. Hit it again, and it runs in reverse. I seem to remember an old Clairtone I had that did that. Gordon Richmond Article: 323372 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43405BF4.528C7FB@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: FS: Zenith 7J259 Console References: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:15:17 -0400 Hi Brian, Nice radio, looks great. I wouldn't mind owning another Zenith but they are not cheap... Regards, Sal Brian Hill wrote: > Anybody want to buy my 7J259? It works great and looks great. It could use a > new dial belt, it slips sometimes. All the caps were replaced a few years > back. What do you think is a fair price? > > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/2591.jpg > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/2592.jpg > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/2593.jpg > > -- > 73 and good DX. B.H. > Brian's Radio Universe > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 323373 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "C. James Strutz" Subject: Re: How to remove paint? Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:39:59 -0400 Message-ID: <11k0ocu53i7t1fb@news.supernews.com> References: <11ju7tch91hsm9b@news.supernews.com> "C. James Strutz" wrote in message news:11ju7tch91hsm9b@news.supernews.com... > How do I remove paint from a plastic cabinet without causing damage? I stripped the cabinet today. Just a few specks remain in the corners and hard to get places. There were three layers of paint. I found a place where the cabinet was broken and repaired. It's a nice looking radio and in other wise good condition. Thanks for all your help... Article: 323374 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Not my auction, but this would be a great addition to someone's bench! Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:51:20 +0900 Message-ID: References: "Jon" wrote in message news:eBS%e.17341$Xl2.12966@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > > "Brenda Ann" wrote in message > news:dhlpug$697$1@news2.kornet.net... >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6566165959&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 >> > > > Invalid Item > This listing (6566165959) has been removed by eBay or is no longer > available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. > If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction > canceled. If anybody contacts you to complete the sale, please ignore the > request. Completing the sale outside of eBay may be unsafe and will not be > covered by eBay purchase protection programs. > > Don't ask me HOW ebay screwed up their own link, but this one's right off the auction itself, which is still up. http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-4-Tube-Signal-Generator-and-Frequency-Modulator_W0QQitemZ6566617618QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Article: 323375 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: Subject: Re: Not my auction, but this would be a great addition to someone's bench! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:03:39 GMT "Brenda Ann" wrote in message news:dhpo53$als$1@news2.kornet.net... > Don't ask me HOW ebay screwed up their own link, but this one's right off > the auction itself, which is still up. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-4-Tube-Signal-Generator-and-Frequency-Modulator_W0QQitemZ6566617618QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Turns out that it was relisted. eBay cancelled the original auction because the lister put something in there about donating to a pet shelter. Go figure. Jon Article: 323376 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:35:34 -0400 Message-ID: <11k0rmdngra2sd1@corp.supernews.com> References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <11juad6brb7ccab@corp.supernews.com> <433f34f9$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Paul Dietenberger wrote: > > > Yeah, that's the good news. It is kinda small. So, how deep in the > restoration queue is yours? > 2009 :) John H. Article: 323377 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <12838-433FF467-206@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> Subject: AK-60 Working! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:08:13 GMT Today I decided to spend a little more time with the AK. I printed out the "new" schematic -- with the intent of highlighting every component that has been replaced or tested. However before taking it anywhere, I thought it might be wise to check the speaker. Field coil is fine, but the voice coil is open! I looked inside the speaker, only to find a thin wire dangling. But there's good news! It appears this speaker was made before glue was invented, and I can take the speaker apart. I did exactly that, and found the problem is a broken solder joint where the stiff voice coil wire meets the flex wire. Removed the old tape, resoldered, installed (ahem) a piece of Scotch Magic Transparent tape, reassembled, and now the radio is singing its heart out. Of course I'm not done yet -- before this unit gets played very much I still want to go through the caps. In fact I had it on for about 15 minutes and began to hear some serious distortion -- which means leaky caps. So I'll be getting back into it before too long. I suppose some people on this list have seen more than their share of these radios; for me this is the first one. As to whether it's as rare and valuable as say, a McMurdo Silver, I suppose not. Still, it's the most unusual set in my collection so far, and definitely a departure from what I normally work on. I don't know just how quickly it will happen, but I think this is a "restorable" radio. By that I mean a total restoration is within reach. It's already in pretty nice condition; I can disassemble it, clean up the chassis, and begin assembly using new wires that match the original. If new capacitors and resistors can be stuffed I'll use them, and I'll strip and repaint each one of those capacitor cans. Finally I'll repaint the case. But for now I think I'll do a recap, ensure everything's proper, then go to my next radio project which is that Philco 54. Of course that's not all I do. In between all of this I did a conversion on a radio from a 57 T-Bird; I also pulled the radio out of my car and upgraded the conversion to a new version 8 which just came out, then reinstalled it and ran tests. I also finished recapping and aligning a 55 Ford.with round dial -- not to mention yik-yakking on this newsgroup. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "TerryJ" wrote in message news:o--dnfTsF9Gp-93eRVn-tw@comcast.com... > > "Bill" wrote in message > news:cd90e$43400fc6$4232bd23$25789@COQUI.NET... >> >> One of the nice things about a hobby is you can do things half-a$$ed or >> to the best of your ability...there's no time card to punch or boss >> jumping on your back...maybe not even a financial consideration. Its >> only to please the individual himself. >> >> I remember doing stuff like building birdhouses in Cub Scouts. They may >> have come out looking awful but I was proud of them because I put forth >> effort and did it to the best of my ability. Hobbying wouldn't be much >> fun if you didn't come out with some pride from your accomplishments. >> >> -Bill > > AMEN! Article: 323378 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:12:03 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128206043.043191.201430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "John Stone" wrote in message news:BF65D627.273A1%jmsent2@comcast.net... > On 10/2/05 2:17 PM, in article dhpbo2$5abl$1@news3.infoave.net, "xrongor" > wrote: > > >> for the record i never said they are junk. just way way way way way >> overpriced. > > For myself they are too expensive as well. But isn't this an individual > value judgment? The same can be said for Rolex watches, Jaguar cars, and > Subzero fridges. I wouldn't want these, but many people do. I don't have > real close contact with B&O these days, but I do know this speaker has > been > a commercial success, selling in far greater numbers than forecast. And > keeping in mind that this speaker also includes amplifiers, it isn't > *quite* > as expensive as it first appears. Certainly there's nothing like it > anywhere > else, and some people with means are clearly glad to pay the price. sure they are. in fact i bet if the price was lower, sales would have been lower. you see the same people driving hummers back and forth to the store for groceries. i also suspect that the 'powered speaker' part had lots to do with it and made it easier for people to hook up 4 zone systems in their house. the kind of thing that only people with money and true audioheads would do. i have no doubt they sound great. for 16k they better sound great >> but this is a serious question. how does a microphone in the speaker >> itself >> have all that much to do with making it sound good at the listeners >> position? how can those mic's tell if im sitting in a bass null spot in >> the >> room or if someone is standing between me and the speakers? >> > It obviously can't, nor does B&O claim it can. First off, the eq is only > for > the bass. Second, it is a one time calibration procedure designed to be > done > when the speakers are moved or the room furnishing is changed. > Essentially, > the speaker compensates for room placement, and can determine total room > modes based on differential measurement. This goes a long way towards > cleaning up the bottom end. I'm sure it assumes a certain listening window > for best performance. Here's a link with a pretty good explanation. > > http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=1&article_id=480&pag > e_number=2&preview= its a neat gadget. its still a gaget. i suspect you could get 90% of the way there with a 30$ spl meter, a 20$ calibration disc, and a 200$ parametric eq. > > BTW, I for one don't believe in trying to equalize out steep room dips at > the listening position. It creates far more problems than it solves. i dont either. if you really have a problem, and you probably dont, 2 subs is a much better solution imho generally i believe in the 'enough is enough and more is just more' theory of speakers. flat response is flat response, and isnt really that desirable. things like imaging which really matter is largely voodoo. pleasant distortion. and imho has as much to do with speaker placement as about anything else... im sure these speakers have much more versatility in placement than most. randy Article: 323379 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: AK-60 Working! Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: <4154-4340814C-471@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> References: Gary, Good job on that speaker! Just curious- with an open voice coil, what were you hearing? Laminations in the AF transformers? Bill(oc) Article: 323380 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:18:52 -0600 Message-ID: <13319-434086FC-787@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: I have to say B&O always was for the most part far above the rest . I have owned several pieces of older B&O equipment and they were always very good if you use them like they were intended and very unique in design . The only unit left me wondering was a turntable mounted on top of one of their receivers . The idler wheel assembly was very poorly made in a way it would not hold the wheel in place because the linkage was to thin and plastic . It was not because it was worn out , the whole thing showed little use . As for there speakers i owned 3 models and put beside other brands models the same physical size i got more sound out of the B&O . As of anymore like mentioned in my last post about any decent speaker sounds good to me . I dont care for pounding bass all day anymore it gets on my nerves . A nice well rounded sound from one of these new bookshelf stereos sounds the best to me . Article: 323381 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Zenith Radio Phono question References: <433FFB7C.83617738@earthlink.net> <1t6dnUXJu8MRGt3eRVn-gQ@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:09:52 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > jeff, > It actually has 3 chassis, the RF/IF, the phono preamp, and the amp/power > supply. > > warn him that this set has lots of rubber wiring harnesses. I know, I was over there yesterday and saw the unit(s) It had been stored in a back room for 40 years wrapped in a blanket. The dial looks like new. The turntable looks like new. Underneath all the wiring has disintegrated. He's already working on replacing it. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323382 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:12:55 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128206043.043191.201430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128301437.233467.220040@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> well said. randy "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1128301437.233467.220040@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > John, > > If I get interrupted, please forgive. I will eventually finish. > > Working from the back to the front. > > Efficiency: Vastly over-rated as these things go. Consider the > following facts dictated by measurable physics. > > 1. Perceived loudness is non-linear. > 2. Power required to achieve increases in perceived loudness is also > non-linear. > 3. Several manufacturers addressed this very real fact by making > "powered" speakers. Advent being amongst the first, but including every > maker from BIC through Revox through B&O. > > I think we can all agree that if one watt is needed to make 86dB of > loudness, 10 watts is needed to make 96dB, and 100 watts to make 106dB. > That is also simple physics. > > So, "efficiency" is a function of two things, the speaker itself and > the power available to drive it. Perhaps that is a 4th thing we might > agree upon. > > Music signal might be 'qualified' (as opposed to 'quantified') by its > "peak-to-average" range. Much "Rock and Roll is highly compressed, with > a P/A of 10dB or less. About any amp is capable of delivering > sufficient power in this case. However, many sources are at 20dB or > more P/A, I have one example that is 30dB. So, a signal at 1 watt of > average will need 1000 watts to make an unclipped peak. 0.5/5/50/500 > for a lesser average requirement. > > Damned-few amps are capable of delivering even 500 watts RMS. Even > fewer as amplifier manufacturers became emasculated, some time around > the early 80s. > > All of a sudden, speaker efficiency became a 'real' issue rather than a > subliminal issue. > > AR took the position, early on, that they would leave efficiency as > their lowest priority, sacrificing it to most everything else. The AR3a > is a stellar example of that philosophy. > > Moving on to "Flat at top octaves": > > Well, Bass is pretty damned easy to reproduce. Also a fact driven by > physics rather than any wishful thinking on the part of a speaker > maker. Cerwin-Vega made an entire industry based on doing 30hz at > floor-shaking levels and entirely ignoring everything about 220hz or > so. However, making say.... 8000hz at a 'proper' level <<>> with a > dome tweeter is a much more difficult proposition, requiring pretty > massive amplifier power (relative to 30hz). Not even to mention > 15,000hz. > > AR went to dome speakers very early on. Both in mid-range and tweeter. > A decision that took a massive amount of guts, something that not even > KLH or Advent (both Kloss ventures) even attempted to emulate moving > forward. That decision doomed AR to the 'low-efficiency' end of the > spectrum, even as an outlyer. But even today, that is the 'right' > decision given infinite amplifier power. Even today. > > I run a pair of AR3as through a Dynaco 416, capable of well over > 400wpc/RMS at the 4-ohm nominal load of the 3a. The unit is also stable > to less than one (1) ohm. One might complain of the 416 as being > "brittle", and any number of other 'transistor' defects, but the brute > fact of the matter is that in blind-tests with several golden-eared > listeners, that same 416 has blown the socks off of my Scott LK 150 > (6550-based amp) and several audio-phool grade amps as well. > > The bottom line is HEADROOM.... if one has restricted headroom, AR > speakers are NOT the proper choice. Never were, never will be. > > Pick your speakers. Any speakers. The only requirement is that they be > 100% OEM (replaced like-for-like parts is acceptable). > I will pick a pair of 100% OEM (but fullly functional) AR3as. > > I will drive either set through: > > a) your amp. > b) my amp SS > c) my amp tube > d) any other amp available of your choice > > We will blindfold test any five individuals. Two (2) of mine, three (3) > of yours. > > I get to pick three sources. > You get to pick three sources. > > Betcha that my choice & combination gets picked hands-down, sources > notwithsdanding. Not necessarily 100% of the time, but certainly by a > super-majority. > > Finally, getting to B&O.... look at the definition of "ineffable".... > "crap" is a result, not a descriptive. You said it yourself and said it > best: And yes, they are quite expensive and probably not a great value > from a > strict performance/dollar perspective. But that has never been what B&O > is > about anyway. > > Sorry, but the end-user is the customer, and deserves the best > value-for-money possible. The purpose of speakers is to reproduce the > source as best as possible at the (or any) price.... Anything else is > a lie. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 323383 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: current limiting resistors Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:18:22 -0700 Message-ID: References: <6n8tj15r7km45dpdvf5ejbsid69pn2hcg8@4ax.com> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:02:18 +0000, philsvintageradios wrote: > some newer solid state power supplies and such have some sort of > current limiting resistor. I am not sure if that is the correct term . > > basically they let the current through , until it gets over a certain > limit, then they "clamp down" and won't let any current pass. > > these power supplies will appear to have no voltage across the output > leads if they are shorted. you think the power supply is dead, but > then if one of the output leads is lifted it has output power again. > > I "think " this is a relatively new way of designing things. but I > don't know, and i also don't know how zener diodes work. I am hoping > someone can enlighten me because this sounds like it could provide a > good way to protect a radio, perhaps even substitute for a fuse? > > > Phil Wow, this thread has covered a lot of territory and still hasn't answered all the original questions. The information on switching power supplies is pretty much correct, I could only quibble about details. It isn't too useful for old radios, however. Current limiting has been around for a lot longer than that however (it was common in solid state power supplies from the '60s). Most linear (analog) power supplies also have it. It usually involves sensing the output current by means of a series resistor. When the voltage drop becomes too large, a circuit siphons off some of the base current of the pass transistor to keep the current more or less constant. The simplest way to do this is to put the sense resistor in series with the emitter of the pass transistor and adjust the size to drop 0.7 V (for silicon transistors) at the desired cutoff current. Then put two diodes from the output side of the resistor to the base of the transistor so that they are forward biased. When the current goes too high, the excess base current is diverted into the output. If the pass transistor is a darlington pair, three diodes are required. This circuit gives rather sloppy limiting but it can keep the pass transistor from burning up. Another way is to connect the base of another (limiter) transistor to the emitter of the pass transistor. The emitter of the limiter transistor goes to the output side of the sensing resistor, and the collector goes to the base of the pass transistor. Now if the current goes too high, the limiter transistor turns on and diverts base current to the output. This gives much sharper limiting, but, since it is a feedback circuit, it can oscillate unless it is properly compensated. If a sample of the output voltage is also fed to the base of the limiter transistor, it becomes a POWER limiter. The output current drops as the voltage drops. Thus a smaller heatsink is needed for the pass transistor. The low cost linear supplies made by many manufacturers these days work this way. It is usually called "foldback" limiting. A power supply like this may not start if used to power a circuit with high inrush current like an incandescent lamp or a motor. A PTC thermistor, as described by others has a low resistance below a certain current and switches to a much higher resistance if this current is exceeded. They are small and cheap but have very loose tolerance on the trip current. They are also fairly slow acting. Most are for relatively low voltages, 72 V or less. There are a few rated for 120 V or higher but the current ratings are low. These are made by many companies such as Tyco/Raychem, Bournes, Littelfuse, World Components, etc. A Zener diode is a voltage regulator. Without getting into the internal workings, if a voltage is applied in the forward direction, it turns on like a normal diode. If a reverse voltage is applied, only a very small current flows until the Zener voltage is reached. Then the current increases rapidly. An external resistance is required to prevent the current from getting too high and destroying the diode. Its characteristics are similar to a gas voltage regulator tube like the 0A2 except that it doesn't require a higher-than-operating-voltage to start it. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 323384 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Al Last" Subject: FA-eBay CATALIN plastics Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:59:57 GMT Please see my listing #6213937480 then select my other items for sale to see all the pieces Thanks, Al Article: 323385 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: 2 Oct 2005 22:00:04 -0500 Message-ID: <43409e15$0$248$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128206043.043191.201430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <433f31d7$0$214$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1128265836.948510.126590@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > Agreed on all points. All my AR stuff is either pre or with Teledyne. > Alex Bernardi was an engineer there whom I spoke to on several > occasions, he was one of the last of the "old guard" before their > Canton, MA factory went dark at the sell-out to International Jensen > (Recoton). He stated that Teledyne treated him very well, and that when > he locked the door behind him, he intended to retire. > I recently had some long chats with a former speaker designer who lives in my neighborhood. He's working on Voice-Over-Internet now; glad to be far away from speakers. He said that he got tired of having companies shot out from under him. The sense that I got was that there was a period during which there was ferrocious competition among speaker companies and that the good old ones couldn't compete. Recoton gobbled them up -- I recall that at the end, they'd absorbed something like nine speaker brands. Whoever thought that Jensen would ever go on the rocks? > AR was a class-act from start to finish as a separate entity. When they > became amalgamated with Advent, Jensen and half-a-dozen other brands > they went straight to crap. > Although William is fond of KLH, they didn't have the "class" that AR did. KLH made a brighter speaker, and in A/B comparisons, the brighter speaker will always sound more exciting. The difference in construction was apparent when they needed repair. And my friend just had his AR3 woofers reconed. > As to Randy's comment B&O being Bose to people with money.... Let's > refine that some. Bose to people with obscene amounts of money. Bose is > overpriced for what it is by any measure. I expect to see Bose > WaveRadios starting to show up in flea-markets by the uncounted > thousands in a few years, they simply have no staying power the way the > old KLH or even early Advent radios do. > Is Bose the Sharper Image of consumer audio? My little experience with B&O products (in the past) is that they are very heavy and solid, although performance is ordinary unless you're spending at the top of their line. I once owned a B&O cartridge/tonearm combo; the cartridge suffered from a glaring workmanship defect. Bubba Article: 323386 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:22:28 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Message-ID: CalBubba wrote: > I have a digital Yamaha receiver from the 80s (I think), Model R-8. It > includes switching for stereo video, but not home theater, Dolby, etc. > > It won't remember its stations and last-input selection. > > I understand that it uses a "memory capacitor." > What is a "memory capacitor?" How is it different from a regular > capacitor, and why use this rather than a chargeable battery of some > type? Finally, what's a good type, mfr, source? > > Bubba They will generally look like a short, fat electrolytic cap. Capacitance will be in the Farad range and the unit should be marked as to value. Mouser has them. -Bill Article: 323387 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <5694-433F603A-422@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> <6wQ%e.6114$oc.14@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: AK-60 -- still more questions Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:31:24 GMT Mark, Just to let you know I really appreciate the help from you and the others here. It seems the others on this list have seen thousands of these, yet here I am doing my first one. The problems are not with the radio itself -- it's such a simple radio, but the landscape is so different from anything I've seen. So to avoid surprises, I'll ask before I leap. I've gone through and basically replaced the resistors. The closest one to being correct was 29k when it should've been 20k. The others -- should be 65k, measures 2.5 megs. Should be 30k, measures 12k. You get the idea -- so they're out. My only question about these is how to make new ones that look original. As for the wirewounds, I haven't measured any of them, but since the radio works I suspect these -- and all the transformers -- are fine. I mentioned distortion, particularly when warm. Time to go through the caps -- excuse me, condensers. The filter is an interesting animal; it's got six terminals arranged in a corcle with a terminal in the center. Is the center common? I'm not sure, as the schematic shows these caps in different places, with no such common ground or tie point. In any case, I tried measuring these -- they all seem to measure close to spec, although there is resistance (I need to move up the "power factor.") I measure no leakage whatsoever up to 250 volts. After that I shot over to the Det-AF coupling condenser, as this is most suspect for distortion. Sure enough, leaks like a sieve. So here's the next really dumb question: what to do about it? There are apparently two caps inside a rectangular sardine can, that until now I thought was part of the tuning cap above it. Can I remove the sardine can without dropping the tuner above it, and throwing belts and all out of alignment? If I get the sardine can out, what should I expect to find? Can I remove and stuff? I'm sure a new cap will make all the difference, but I'll wait to hear from others before attempting to fix it. Gee, I can't wait to see a Majestic or Crosley from that era! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:QMadncOKAYEeFN3eRVn-tw@comcast.com... > Gary, > its kinda odd to hear you go thru this set, as these AK55's and 60's were > what I started with waaaayyyy back in my teens... like 1972. > > The reason for the lack of values was back before 1932 there were so many > kit builders, and the makers wanted to be cautious about letting out too > much info about their sets! After about 1932 the loosened up about that. > Also, the RMA resistor color code didnt appear until 1934, so you have no > color standards either. > > Since you have some signal, this is an easy set to use a signal tracer on, > just follow the signal thru each tube, it will get louder and louder. > remember to use the diode switched in on your probe before the detector! > I > will bet you have an open output tranny primary, or the driver stage is > dead > for some reason. > > Mark Oppat > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:6wQ%e.6114$oc.14@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> THANK YOU!!! >> >> What a whopping improvement, to have a REAL schematic of this set. >> >> Again, this unit has been quite a learning experience -- in the > realization >> that not only were the radios themselves primitive, but the way they were >> built, and the documentation were just as primitive. So many things we > take >> for granted simply weren't there -- such as standard resistor color >> codes, >> and even component numbering. Instead of R3, you're stuck with "first AF >> grid leak resistor -- blue" with positively no concept of what's supposed > to >> be there unless you have a legend. Their literature doesn't even tell >> you >> what tubes are supposed to be there! >> >> I suppose my next step is to determine the condition of the transformers > and >> capacitors. Many of these are marked with colored wires, which is good >> news -- this chassis is extremely clean, and wire colors for the most >> part >> are still intact. >> >> Although this radio is in fairly nice original condition, I'm getting the >> impression that before all is said and done I'll be doing a restoration >> of >> it. I've removed the original resistors, but have kept them -- is there >> anyone out there who can stuff these resistors and make them look > original? >> It looks like they're some sort of ceramic tube with end contacts -- and > the >> ends are made of solder, so they'll melt easily. if you're not careful. > Are >> the tubes hollow? Could a new resistor be inserted, and some sort of >> mold >> made to dip each end into a little vat of melted solder? I'd like to >> hear >> comments from others. >> >> Also, what about the wiring? I have several spools of new cloth wire >> from >> AES, which looks to be the same as what's being used in there. However > some >> of the wires are not solid colors; some are white with a row of green >> dots >> patterns, or other similar schemes. Are such wires available? >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >> >> >> >> "Lou deGonzague" wrote in message >> news:abQ%e.15172$K91.8754@twister.nyroc.rr.com... >> > Here are a couple websites that might help, > http://www.atwaterkent.info/ >> > Check out the modern drawings >> > http://www.atwaterkent.info/TechData/akDrawingIndex.html >> > Bill Sheppard wrote: >> >> Gary, >> >> This may be a dumb question, but have you verified >> >> that >> >> the speaker field is energized? If it's not, residual magnetism will >> >> still allow the speaker to work but at greatly reduced volume. > Regarding >> >> the whistles and birdies on a TRF set, have >> >> you tried shutting off all nearby devices that contain a switching > power >> >> supply? >> >> Bill(oc) >> >> >> > > > Article: 323388 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4340A9F4.10992938@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:47:54 GMT CalBubba wrote: > > I have a digital Yamaha receiver from the 80s (I think), Model R-8. It > includes switching for stereo video, but not home theater, Dolby, etc. > > It won't remember its stations and last-input selection. > > I understand that it uses a "memory capacitor." > What is a "memory capacitor?" How is it different from a regular > capacitor, and why use this rather than a chargeable battery of some > type? Finally, what's a good type, mfr, source? > > Bubba I have two types in stock: NEC .22 F 5.5 VDC $1.00 Each 49 in stock NEC .47 F 10 VDC $3.00 Each 1 in stock They are listed on http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/Epcap.html and are the last two items under electrolytics. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 323389 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: philsvintageradios Subject: Re: Not my auction, but this would be a great addition to someone's bench! Message-ID: References: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:07:35 GMT On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:03:39 GMT, "Jon" wrote: > >"Brenda Ann" wrote in message >news:dhpo53$als$1@news2.kornet.net... >> Don't ask me HOW ebay screwed up their own link, but this one's right off >> the auction itself, which is still up. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-4-Tube-Signal-Generator-and-Frequency-Modulator_W0QQitemZ6566617618QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >Turns out that it was relisted. eBay cancelled the original auction because >the lister put something in there about donating to a pet shelter. Go >figure. > >Jon > Kind of weird how the seller goes on and on about painting the kitchen cabinets. what does that have to do with anything? Phil Article: 323390 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "william_b_noble" References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Subject: Re: memory capacitors Message-ID: <1128312409.b3d957cc00d7ac0372a6ab5787c9856b@teranews> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:06:46 -0700 the reason for using cap rather than battery is lifetime - how many nicads would have lasted 20 years - also, very low self discharge rate, no "memory" like NiCD, etc "CalBubba" wrote in message news:4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... >I have a digital Yamaha receiver from the 80s (I think), Model R-8. It >includes switching for stereo video, but not home theater, Dolby, etc. > > It won't remember its stations and last-input selection. > > I understand that it uses a "memory capacitor." > What is a "memory capacitor?" How is it different from a regular > capacitor, and why use this rather than a chargeable battery of some type? > Finally, what's a good type, mfr, source? > > Bubba Article: 323391 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors From: Larry References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:31:31 -0400 CalBubba wrote in news:4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com: > I understand that it uses a "memory capacitor." > What is a "memory capacitor?" How is it different from a regular > capacitor, and why use this rather than a chargeable battery of some > type? Finally, what's a good type, mfr, source? > > Bubba > > We use memory capacitors in many digital organs and keyboards. I carry 1 Farad 5V caps which are only about the size of a nickel and 1/2 thick, now. Radio Shack has them, or had them if they've been recently discontinued. 1 Farad is easy now. The reason to use the big cap is it charges fast, as fast as the power supply can stand, limited by a series resistor....it doesn't need maintenance and doesn't leak corrosive chemicals all over if it goes dead. Unlike the Lithium disk batteries used sometimes, it also doesn't explode if shorted. And, most importantly, did I mention it was CHEAP?!....That's why...(c; www.mouser.com will sell you just one if you must.... -- Larry Article: 323392 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: philsvintageradios Subject: Re: current limiting resistors Message-ID: References: <6n8tj15r7km45dpdvf5ejbsid69pn2hcg8@4ax.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:34:48 GMT On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:18:22 -0700, Jim Mueller wrote: >On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:02:18 +0000, philsvintageradios wrote: > >> some newer solid state power supplies and such have some sort of >> current limiting resistor. I am not sure if that is the correct term . >> >> basically they let the current through , until it gets over a certain >> limit, then they "clamp down" and won't let any current pass. >> >> these power supplies will appear to have no voltage across the output >> leads if they are shorted. you think the power supply is dead, but >> then if one of the output leads is lifted it has output power again. >> >> I "think " this is a relatively new way of designing things. but I >> don't know, and i also don't know how zener diodes work. I am hoping >> someone can enlighten me because this sounds like it could provide a >> good way to protect a radio, perhaps even substitute for a fuse? >> >> >> Phil > >Wow, this thread has covered a lot of territory and still hasn't answered >all the original questions. > >The information on switching power supplies is pretty much correct, I >could only quibble about details. It isn't too useful for old radios, >however. > >Current limiting has been around for a lot longer than that however >(it was common in solid state power supplies from the '60s). Most >linear (analog) power supplies also have it. It usually involves sensing >the output current by means of a series resistor. When the voltage drop >becomes too large, a circuit siphons off some of the base current of the >pass transistor to keep the current more or less constant. The simplest >way to do this is to put the sense resistor in series with the emitter of >the pass transistor and adjust the size to drop 0.7 V (for silicon >transistors) at the desired cutoff current. Then put two diodes from the >output side of the resistor to the base of the transistor so that they are >forward biased. When the current goes too high, the excess base current >is diverted into the output. If the pass transistor is a darlington pair, >three diodes are required. This circuit gives rather sloppy limiting but >it can keep the pass transistor from burning up. > >Another way is to connect the base of another (limiter) transistor to the >emitter of the pass transistor. The emitter of the limiter transistor >goes to the output side of the sensing resistor, and the collector goes to >the base of the pass transistor. Now if the current goes too high, the >limiter transistor turns on and diverts base current to the output. This >gives much sharper limiting, but, since it is a feedback circuit, it can >oscillate unless it is properly compensated. If a sample of the output >voltage is also fed to the base of the limiter transistor, it becomes a >POWER limiter. The output current drops as the voltage drops. Thus a >smaller heatsink is needed for the pass transistor. The low cost linear >supplies made by many manufacturers these days work this way. It is >usually called "foldback" limiting. A power supply like this may not >start if used to power a circuit with high inrush current like an >incandescent lamp or a motor. > >A PTC thermistor, as described by others has a low resistance below a >certain current and switches to a much higher resistance if this current >is exceeded. They are small and cheap but have very loose tolerance on >the trip current. They are also fairly slow acting. Most are for >relatively low voltages, 72 V or less. There are a few rated for 120 V or >higher but the current ratings are low. These are made by many companies >such as Tyco/Raychem, Bournes, Littelfuse, World Components, etc. > >A Zener diode is a voltage regulator. Without getting into the internal >workings, if a voltage is applied in the forward direction, it turns on >like a normal diode. If a reverse voltage is applied, only a very small >current flows until the Zener voltage is reached. Then the current >increases rapidly. An external resistance is required to prevent the >current from getting too high and destroying the diode. Its >characteristics are similar to a gas voltage regulator tube like the 0A2 >except that it doesn't require a higher-than-operating-voltage to start it. This is great info, and Larry's explanation of how the newer power supplies actually work was really interesting too. I have heard many of these terms thrown about, glad I asked, and thanks for taking the time to explain Phil Article: 323393 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors Date: 3 Oct 2005 04:39:43 GMT Message-ID: References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Larry (noone@home.com) writes: > CalBubba wrote in > news:4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com: > >> I understand that it uses a "memory capacitor." >> What is a "memory capacitor?" How is it different from a regular >> capacitor, and why use this rather than a chargeable battery of some >> type? Finally, what's a good type, mfr, source? >> >> Bubba >> >> > > We use memory capacitors in many digital organs and keyboards. I carry > 1 Farad 5V caps which are only about the size of a nickel and 1/2 thick, > now. Radio Shack has them, or had them if they've been recently > discontinued. 1 Farad is easy now. > And to make it sort of more on topic, one would see references to 1F capacitors in the hobby electronic magazines decades ago. They'd be in the cartoon pages, and they'd picture something the size of a truck or a house. Nobody cold imagine a use or need for such a thing, and everyone imagined it to be very large, based on other capacitors of the time. Even circa 1972, I bought a 10,000uF 16v capacitor, "Computer Grade" at a hamfest to build a power supply. That was massive capacitance compared to what was commonly in use up until around then. But it was the size of a Coke can. Now you can get them in far smaller packages, with higher voltage ratings and even higher capacitance. When I needed to replace an electrolytic in the power supply of my Tektronics oscilliscope ten years ago, even then I was surprised by the relatively high capacitance values, at least compared to common power supply values from thirty years ago in tube equipment. I was quite surprised that I could get the needed capacitance, something like 100uF at 400vdc, at the local surplus store without any fuss whatsoever. I don't remember such values being common decades ago, because they weren't used in common equipment. Michael Article: 323394 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Not my auction, but this would be a great addition to someone's bench! Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:15:26 +0900 Message-ID: References: "philsvintageradios" wrote in message news:dhb1k11mt50ei85lf0i9mndnbruecgv5s5@4ax.com... > On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:03:39 GMT, "Jon" > wrote: > > Kind of weird how the seller goes on and on about painting the kitchen > cabinets. what does that have to do with anything? > > Phil You have to be familiar with the seller I guess. I've been following her auctions for some time. The family is renovating an old house they bought, more or less starting >from the ground up. The stories about progress on the renovation are a way for them to let the buyers familiarize themselves with them, sort of bring you into the family. I rather like the idea. :) Article: 323395 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:02:44 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Larry wrote: > We use memory capacitors in many digital organs and keyboards. I carry > 1 Farad 5V caps which are only about the size of a nickel and 1/2 thick, > now. Radio Shack has them, or had them if they've been recently > discontinued. 1 Farad is easy now. > > The reason to use the big cap is it charges fast, as fast as the power > supply can stand, limited by a series resistor....it doesn't need > maintenance and doesn't leak corrosive chemicals all over > if it goes dead. That is not always true: they can leak, their chemicals eat copper. They want exact DC, don't like ripple or overvoltage. The flat ones are better than the small ones. If you see even a little bit moisture on the top ... replace. > Unlike the Lithium disk batteries used sometimes, > it also doesn't explode if shorted. Never tried wong polarity ;-) Regards, Georg Article: 323396 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: David Stinson Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:10:02 GMT Michael Black wrote: > Even circa 1972, I bought a 10,000uF 16v capacitor, "Computer Grade" > at a hamfest to build a power supply. That was massive capacitance > compared to what was commonly in use up until around then. But it > was the size of a Coke can. Now you can get them in far smaller packages, > with higher voltage ratings and even higher capacitance. I've been told (have not researched myself) that these small hi-value caps are very limited in their ability to source current, because of small leads/structures and high equivalent series resistance (in part due to the small structural componants); that they are only good for microamp "keep-alive" service. Has anyone investigated this? Sounds like designing a power supply to source a couple of hundred milliamps using half-farad caps is still a ways off. 73 Dave S. Article: 323397 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:47:40 GMT What a thread! He asks, which of these old radios is your favorite one to listen to? Next thing you know we're talking about the audio defects in Bang & Olufsen stereos! Unfortunately I don't have the privilage of installing a B&O in my shop, nor do I really want one. Again, when I'm not tuning/calibrating a unit on the bench, I'll have the Knight receiver on. At times I've been listening to OTR on the computer -- although once I've got the AK to specs I'll use it along with an AMT-3000 instead of the computer -- or maybe just feed the computer sound card into the AMT-3000. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >I expect that many here have or listen to one or two 'favorite' radios > all the time. Speaking for myself, I choose (or chose) these radios for > their sound often more than for any other reason. So, this is an > informal and voluntary poll on which radios do you think sound the best > from direct personal experience. There is no 'why' to it, unless you > care to explain, and certainly no need to justify one choice or > another. > > I would have liked to except Exotics from the poll, but just now > decided not to, as some of you may have exotics in the inventory, but > choose to listen to something else instead. That might be an > interesting 'why' if anyone wishes to explain. > > So, on a regular basis, what do you consider the best sounding radio > that you listen to or have listened to for long periods. In the > following categories: > > Console > Tombstone/Cathedral/Tabletop > Portable > Add your cagegory (Chairside, for instance) > > Then, as there is a good deal of audio crossover here, what would you > consider to be the best combination of audio equipment, to about 1965, > or so to allow for stereo? (My picks include NO exotic equipment, but > entirely off-the-shelf consumer-grade stuff.) > > My picks are: > > Console: RCA 29K2. I do not have one now, but I did briefly. That > followed closely by my Zenith 9S262, followed by my Zenith 760 > > Tombstone/tabletop: Crosley 715, followed by my Zenith 808 > > Portable: Stromberg-Carlson AWP, followed by my Zenith B600 > > Chairside: Coronado 690B Glass-top. AM-only, but a big, honking speaker > and great sound. That followed by my Motorola 6A. I have two Zenith > chairsides, they pale next to these two. > > As to Audio, backing up from AR-3a speakers to the Scott LK-150 amp to > the Dynaco PAS-3 and FM-3 pre-amp and tuner respectively. The Dynaco > ST-70 is nice, but lacks the crispness of the LK-150. > > The above items are those that I can listen to for hours without > fatigue. I remember considering (briefly) keeping the RCA just for the > sound, but it was just SO ugly and SO large that it was too much in an > environment pressed for space. The Zeniths are no slouches, so there > are really no regrets. > > Your thoughts? This is a poll of personal taste, only, not meant to be > anything else. > Article: 323398 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: AK-60 -- still more questions Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:51:47 -0600 Message-ID: <12837-43412963-841@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: I`m glad you found the main problem . My first 4 of these metal AK sets were alot of fun to me and i went through alot to fix & clean them up . I saved them for many years . I even had a metal box Crosley and Stewart Warner at one time . You can make a mold with one of the original resistors then make new fake resistors in that mold using one of those resin type kits . With new resistors set in the mold before the goop gets poured in then you need to paint them to match . Look on Syls old radios site Article: 323399 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob La Rocca" References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Subject: Re: memory capacitors Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:03:14 -0400 I had the same problem with two receivers. I bought new capacitors from Mouser. Look on the circuit board for the memory capacitor. It will be rated something like 250,000 mf or higher at either 2.5 or 5 volts. It may be hidden on the board behind your front panel. One of mine was actually under the display. That was a PIA. I think mouser's price was a few bucks each. -- Bob La Rocca Lindenhurst, NY "CalBubba" wrote in message news:4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... >I have a digital Yamaha receiver from the 80s (I think), Model R-8. It >includes switching for stereo video, but not home theater, Dolby, etc. > > It won't remember its stations and last-input selection. > > I understand that it uses a "memory capacitor." > What is a "memory capacitor?" How is it different from a regular > capacitor, and why use this rather than a chargeable battery of some type? > Finally, what's a good type, mfr, source? > > Bubba Article: 323400 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? From: Larry References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:22:35 -0400 "Phil B" wrote in news:KcSdnRxOS5sLX93eRVn- qw@comcast.com: > big 200 lb, 1500 watt > amp. Wonder why it weighs so much?? I got a 1450 watt QSC pro-sound amp in a plastic DJ console with a DJ mixer and bunch of stuff in it. I can pick it up myself without help. It breaks ballroom windows at half volume...(c; Don't tell me it's distorted: Distortion (Typical) 20 Hz-20 kHz: 10 dB below rated power 1.0 kHz and below: full rated power Less than 0.03% THD 4 and 8 ohms Less than 0.03% THD 4 and 8 ohms Frequency Response 20 Hz-20 kHz, +/- 1 dB, -3 dB points: 5 Hz-50 kHz Damping Factor, 1 kHz and below Greater than 300 at 8 ohms Input Impedance 10 k ohms unbalanced, 20 k ohms balanced Input Clipping 10 Vrms (+22 dB) It only weighs 40 pounds.....for $350 in lotsa places...6 year warrantee! Her big brother only weighs 75 pounds. He puts out 5000 watts into 2 ohms bridged....2500 watts per channel! RMX 5050 AMPLIFIER STEREO MODE, Both Channels Driven 8 ohms FTC 20 Hz-20 kHz 0.1% THD 1050 Watts 4 ohms FTC 20 Hz-20 kHz 0.1% THD 1600 Watts 2 ohms FTC 20 Hz-20 kHz 0.1% THD 2000 Watts 8 ohms EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD 1100 Watts 4 ohms EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD 1800 Watts 2 ohms EIA 1 kHz 1% THD 2500 Watts BRIDGE-MONO MODE 8 ohms FTC 20 Hz-20 kHz 0.1% THD 3200 Watts 8 ohms EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD 3600 Watts 4 ohms EIA 1 kHz 1% THD 5000 Watts (ED - Blow any speaker you got!) Distortion (SMPTE-IM) Less than 0.02% Distortion (Typical) 20 Hz-20 kHz: 10 dB below rated power 1 kHz and below: full rated power Less than 0.02% Less than 0.02% Frequency Response 20 Hz to 20 kHz, 8 ohms, LF filter bypassed, +0/-1 dB 5 Hz to 50 kHz, 8 ohms, LF filter bypassed, +0/-3 dB Damping Factor Greater than 250 @ 8 ohm Noise (unweighted) 100 dB below rated output (20 Hz to 20 kHz, 8 ohm load) Input Sensitivity 1.42 Vrms for 1050 watts into 8 ohms Controls Front: Controls Rear: AC power switch, Ch. 1 and Ch. 2 gain control 10-pole DIP switch featuring LF filter on/off, LF filter 30/50 Hz, Clip Limiter on/ off controls for each channel and switches for selecting Stereo, Parallel, or Bridge mode. Push-button circuit breaker for each channel. Voltage Gain 64x (36 dB) for 8 ohm load Input Impedance 20 k ohm balanced, 10 k ohm unbalanced Indicators Power-On: Green LED, Protect: Red LED Signal -30dB: Yellow LED, Clip: Red LED Connectors Input: Connectors Output: XLR female, TRS (1/4-inch), and barrier-strip screw terminals, each channel Binding posts and Speakon outputs (Ch. 1 Speakon wired for biamp) Cooling Continuously variable-speed fan, rear-to-front air flow Amplifier Protection Short circuit, open circuit, thermal, ultrasonic, and RF protection. Stable into reactive or mismatched loads Load Protection On/off muting, DC fault output crowbar Power Requirements 100, 120 or 240 Volts AC (±10%) 50-60 Hz (factory configured)120V models require 20 Amp, 120V service and are supplied with a NEMA 5-20 plug on the cordset. Dimensions 19" 19.0" (48.3 cm) wide, 5.25" (13.3 cm) tall, 15.9" (40.39 cm) overall depth Weight 75 lb (34.02 kg) net, 87 lb (39.46 kg) shipping http://www.qscaudio.com/products/amps/rmx/rmx.htm -- Larry Article: 323401 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors From: Larry References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:25:03 -0400 et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote in news:dhqcmf$pb8$1@theodyn.ncf.ca: > Even circa 1972, I bought a 10,000uF 16v capacitor, "Computer Grade" > at a hamfest to build a power supply. Now, the new power supplies are back to 10uf caps to filter out the 30 amp, 12V output from the switching power supply at 100 Khz....(c; We've come in a circle. -- Larry Article: 323402 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors From: Larry References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:26:46 -0400 David Stinson wrote in news:uc90f.5912$zQ3.3895@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: > Has anyone investigated this? You're correct. They have very poor current producing capabilities. Their specialty is staying charged for weeks with a 1 microamp load from the RAM. They have almost immeasurable leakage, which is simply amazing for an electrolytic. -- Larry Article: 323403 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors From: Larry References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:27:53 -0400 "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in news:dhqvk4$nvu$03$1@news.t-online.com: >> Unlike the Lithium disk batteries used sometimes, >> it also doesn't explode if shorted. > > Never tried wong polarity ;-) > > Regards, > Georg > > I saw a Japanese digital camera that shorted its Lithium battery...Blew the side right out of the case! -- Larry Article: 323404 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors Date: 3 Oct 2005 15:48:04 GMT Message-ID: References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Larry (noone@home.com) writes: > et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote in > news:dhqcmf$pb8$1@theodyn.ncf.ca: > >> Even circa 1972, I bought a 10,000uF 16v capacitor, "Computer Grade" >> at a hamfest to build a power supply. > > Now, the new power supplies are back to 10uf caps to filter out the 30 amp, > 12V output from the switching power supply at 100 Khz....(c; We've come in > a circle. That's true. The common computer switching supply is a better source of 400v or so electrolytics than as a supply of electrolytics for the average 12V power supply. If you want to make switching supplies, then the output side electrolytics can be useful, but otherwise they are too small in capacitance to be of much use in a linear supply. Michael Article: 323405 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <7Oc0f.19655$wg.10359@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:14:59 GMT Larry wrote: > > Wonder why it weighs so much?? I got a... [ snip ] Why do you come here? Is it just to rub our faces in the claims you have either bigger better stuff and all of our stuff is crap? Or that you've done everything already bigger better faster? Good for you, you're smarter, better, faster, etc. than the rest of us. Now quit reminding us. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323406 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 18:42:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Larry wrote: > David Stinson wrote: > > > Has anyone investigated this? > > You're correct. They have very poor current producing capabilities. Their > specialty is staying charged for weeks with a 1 microamp load from the RAM. _Static RAM_. We are using them to write data into nonvolatile RAM during power-off cycle. They source both the CPU and the NV-RAM. > > They have almost immeasurable leakage, which is simply amazing for an > electrolytic. How amazing are "pseudo capacitors" ? http://www.nesscap.com/prod/prod.htm shows them ;-) Regards, Georg Article: 323407 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Gilfillan RAdio?Help Please.... References: <1128323784.516330.102530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:52:49 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > this must have a power transformer, judging by the tubes you show. I would > guess the missing two are a 6SQ7 and a 6F6 or 6V6 output tube. I would suspect a 6V6 rather than a 6F6. I did find a Gillfillan model 5L with the correct (asumed) tube line up in Riders. Vol 12 page 1. However, it's apparently a table model without a phonograph. It should give you a pretty good idea of what they, Gillfillan was thinking with the design. >> It is a Five tube set,but I only know the numbers of a couple tubes. >> They are 6SA7,6X5,6SK7.Not sure what the other two tubes are? >> Pictures can be seen here... >> http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6246/gilfillan10xw.jpg >> http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7429/gilfillan24ff.jpg Interesting looking radio/phono combination you have there. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323408 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" References: Subject: Re: Anyone need a old tube type Ham Amp ?? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:08:38 -0700 Ben, sent you an email,,,, did you get it????? Bob in phx "Benjamaniac" wrote in message news:dh9t6m$dafu$1@news3.infoave.net... > I just ended up with an old tube type Ham Amp that I sure don't need. It > was made by Kris Inc. and has three tubes, one 6JG6A and two 6LQ6's. It > has a standby/transmit switch and an AM/SSB switch. A tag on the back says > it's for use in the 10 & 6 Meter bands only. I have no idea of it's > working condition, but it looks good !! I'd just as soon have someone from > here end up with it as anybody, so...anybody wanna trade or anything like > that ?? > Ben > Article: 323409 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave Burson" References: <1128323784.516330.102530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Gilfillan RAdio?Help Please.... Message-ID: <87h0f.226$dB4.19@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:10:28 GMT Gilfillan made a model 6U in 1940 that had your tubes plus a 6K8 and a 6V6. It also had a 6U6 eye tube though, and I don't see one in your photos. Check nostalgiaair.org for that schematic. Article: 323410 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: Crosley "Playtime" for Trade References: <1128119934.336953.32210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:59:30 GMT pgonshor@aol.com wrote: > I have a Crosley "Playtime" grandfather clock radio in excellent > original (finish) working condition for trade. I'm located in the > Denver metropolitan area. What do you have? > Dave > Hi, Dave - I have a modest amount of cash, and a daughter in Longmont CO who could work the exchange with you. Do you have a price in mind? Bill Jeffrey Article: 323411 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <1128342955.355858.13790@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FS: Zenith 7J259 Console Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 18:04:18 -0500 "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1128342955.355858.13790@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > This is the no-eye shutterdial with the dual-mode power-supply > (6V/110VAC)? > > As Sal notes, they are not cheap, and that one looks to be in fine > shape. > > My guess is in the $450+ range. > > Pros: Quite a rare set, especially if both power-supplies are working. > Likely the "proper" chassis for a Walton if they were not on > mains-power but expected it soon. Original knobs. > > Cons: No eye, no motor-tuning. These are small things, actually. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Yea thats kinda what I thought but I wasn't sure. Thank you Pete. -- 73 and good DX. B.H. Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 323412 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 1952 RCA TV Horz issue. Please email! From: "Alan R. Betz" References: <1128318547.878068.307130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:46:55 GMT "Phil Nelson" wrote in news:qredncAev6pW9dzeRVn- iA@giganews.com: > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RCA4.jpg Picture looks like it is on correct frequency and phase, but has a drive line and is a little narrow. Could be horizontal output tube grid bias is wrong, or there could be insufficient drive. Regards, Alan Article: 323413 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? From: Larry References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <7Oc0f.19655$wg.10359@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1128381991.180081.97140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:21:45 -0400 "Peter Wieck" wrote in news:1128381991.180081.97140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com: > Um.... Jeff.... > Geez, Jeff. Sorry if I stepped on your tinker toys. Sorry.... If it'll make ya feel better, I replaced the burned up cathode bias resistor on a couple of 6BQ5s in the reverb amp of an old Hammond A-100, today. Then, the damned main amp croaked when it warmed up because a 100K plate resistor had a crack in it. It's back to its old, distorted self and happy owners at an AME church, now, pumping a couple of really tired Leslie 122s who's loose belt drives amaze me they don't fly off when she puts it in FAST...(c; I was deaf the last time I let them talk me into coming over during choir practice.... -- Larry Article: 323414 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: current limiting resistors From: Larry References: <6n8tj15r7km45dpdvf5ejbsid69pn2hcg8@4ax.com> <434153C2.F23FD46A@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:26:55 -0400 w_tom wrote in news:434153C2.F23FD46A@hotmail.com: > Another device not yet discussed is inrush current > limiting. Power supplies prefer power to be applied slowly. > Even in 1950s TVs, a inrush current limiter was installed to > first restrict voltage as a power supply powered up; then > permit full voltage, normal, operation. > R-390.....ballast tube.....ON TOPIC!.....(c; -- Larry Article: 323415 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: <1128318547.878068.307130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 1952 RCA TV Horz issue. Please email! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:30:11 GMT Matt, I've been playing around with old TV's lately, and I found a very strange failure mode that did indeed cause problems similar to what you're seeing. There was leakage, and in one instance a dead short, between one of the terminals of a pot and its case. This cause the horiz oscillator to run at the wrong frequency and caused linearity problems with the vert section. These failures were in Motorola sets (9VT1 and TV-71). Steve Article: 323416 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: memory capacitors From: Larry References: <4340a18f$0$243$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:39:53 -0400 "Engineer" wrote in news:esGdnaYv1KumJdzeRVn- iw@rogers.com: > See URL: http://www.tubecollector.org/carcinotron.htm > Cheers, > Roger > > Thanks for the URL, Roger. Most interesting.... I've been tracking the TWT transmitter on Voyager 1 and 2 since it was launched. The ORIGINAL TWT is STILL being used, along with the ORIGINAL tape cart for data storage. They both have backups that are tested at maintenance intervals. 1967 high-reliability technology...like the 8-track tape deck...(c; There used to be a NASA webpage for voyager before it got so far out of range of normal ground stations. You could click up a graphic of the entire electrical system, the radio systems and actually read the TWT's filament E and I, beam current, and all the other parameters Nasa had it send back in near realtime. Sending at 20bps, now, that's kind of hard.... By the way, someone at NASA told me there is a screwdriver one of the techs left in Voyager 2 stuck into the wiring harness of something. Some alien will open it, light years from now, and stare in wonder at the yellow plastic handle. Some distant professor of anthropology will make a career out of that screwdriver, writing volumes about the technician in the clean room who screwed up....and didn't admit it for 30 years. -- Larry Article: 323417 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DALE Allen" Subject: WTB - 2J22 Raytheon Magnetron Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:44:10 GMT Do you have one that you are willing to sell? I need it for my Raytheon museum. Thank you, Dale Please reply to: radiodale@att.net Article: 323418 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In "Phil B" writes: >And, before any of you die, you should get a chance to hear a $30,000 stereo >system. I recently visited a friend's house. He is a long time bachelor with >money. I don't remember any brand names, but the speakers were 6 ft high and >about 2 ft wide. Top 2/3s was a see-through electrostatic and the bottom 1/3 >was the bass unit. Martin-Logan's. Luv 'em. I've got the CLSes, which are full-range without an electrodynamic bass unit. They don't go down real low, but what they do -- oh, baby, they do well. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 323419 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" Subject: Portable console? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:24:54 GMT Check this: http://makeashorterlink.com/?U5D825AEB I asked the seller if he had mixed pictures but he insists that GE called this a "portable". It's not even battery operated, I could understand the confusion if it were. Anybody ever hear of such a claim by GE? Ray Article: 323420 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: AK-60 -- still more questions From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <5694-433F603A-422@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> <6wQ%e.6114$oc.14@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:48:16 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > > >John Goller, a regular here, has a barn FULL of these kind of radios. >Pretty sure he's starting to think of selling some. > >Mark Oppat > > > Florida Collectors.... Please See Garage Inventory Page and Shed Inventory Page .... http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/ My next trip south is just about December 1st.... Van is at this point about 1/2 full for that trip.... John k9uwa Article: 323421 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: AK-60 Working! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <4154-4340814C-471@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:55:33 GMT In article , gtayman@gate.net says... > > >-- >Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical I want to hear Gary Whine a little when he gets into that Philco 54.. think thats the one with a couple of caps up around and behind the tuner on top of the chassis.. tightly packed set... Your getting there Gary on the AK-60 ... just keep monitoring the power tranny temperature... that is the one weak point on these sets.... other than maybe the interstage transformer and your beyond that at this point its working.... John k9uwa Article: 323422 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Nomen Nescio Subject: CRT Rebuilding Disadvantage and Risk? Message-ID: <9d6a5f5e194067c2d7b458664b2e7adf@dizum.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:00:07 +0200 (CEST) I have an RCA Colorama 21FBP22 CRT. The green gun emission measures .3 on a 2.0 scale. The red and blue emission is about 1.3. I'd like to get it rebuilt. But I've read several horror stories about how the junction where the new neck is welded to the funnel eventually cracks and the whole neck falls off! Perhaps repeated heating and cooling cycles? Or if the tube is property rebuilt such a failure wouldn't happen? I don't intend to use the set to watch on a daily basis. Maybe just a few times a year to impress my friends:-) But if the neck falls off that would be really bad:-( Article: 323423 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Here is how it should go... From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 03:00:58 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > > >3 emails total from him, 3 from me, all done, everyone happy! > >This guy knows how to describe his part, and obviously has some servicing >experience! > > Yeah.... and if ya had a webpage ... he would already have been ordering caps from U ..... I'll now go back to my nose in corner! John k9uwa Article: 323424 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: Subject: Re: Portable console? Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:34:27 -0500 Message-ID: <4341f83c$0$3761$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> I believe the seller is a bit, as they say in the old vernacular, "tetched...." "Rune" wrote in message news:WJl0f.8056$wf6.1265061@twister.nyc.rr.com... > Check this: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?U5D825AEB > > I asked the seller if he had mixed pictures but he insists that GE called > this a "portable". It's not even battery operated, I could understand the > confusion if it were. > > Anybody ever hear of such a claim by GE? > > Ray > > Article: 323425 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Shawn K Subject: 7 pin plugs needed Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 04:17:17 GMT Hi all, I am trying to build a battery harness for both my R-520 and my R-520A, the one that holds 6 D cell batteries. I need several 7 pin plugs to do this, plus a few more to experiment making adapters for 1L6 replacements. Any idea where to get these?? -- Shawn K www.thisoldradio.com Article: 323426 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: current limiting resistors Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:35:12 -0700 Message-ID: References: <6n8tj15r7km45dpdvf5ejbsid69pn2hcg8@4ax.com> <434153C2.F23FD46A@hotmail.com> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:52:34 -0400, w_tom wrote: > As others have noted, fold-back current limiting is what > power supplies have used for decades - long before PCs even > existed. The Polyfuse does have a severe limitation. I never > saw them for voltages above 60 and not for amperages above a > few amps. > > Polyfuse is what should be inline for your keyboard and > mouse - so that a cut wire does not burn out pc traces on a > motherboard. Another noted how a 30 AWG wire caught fire when > the power supply went into foldback current limiting. Well, > this is why we designed carefully so that such large supplies > would not catch fire. Either that 30 AWG wire had to be > larger OR the design had to include a fuse. Today that fuse > would be a polyfuse - to protect human life from fire. > > But Polyfuses are not typically put on power supplies when > the power supply is required to have foldback current > limiting. > > Larry's explanation of how power supplies work was even > standard on the original PC - switching power supply > technology is that old. The only thing that has changed are > the numbers. For example, newer supplies are smaller because > they operate at higher frequencies. Improved, but still old > and well proven technology. > > Another device not yet discussed is inrush current > limiting. Power supplies prefer power to be applied slowly. > Even in 1950s TVs, a inrush current limiter was installed to > first restrict voltage as a power supply powered up; then > permit full voltage, normal, operation. > > philsvintageradios wrote: >> This is great info, and Larry's explanation of how the newer power >> supplies actually work was really interesting too. I have heard many >> of these terms thrown about, glad I asked, and thanks for taking the >> time to explain >> >> Phil The voltage rating on some polyfuses has been raised to 72V. There are a few new types rated at 120V or higher but they are for very low currents. They are available in ratings up to around 10A but these are only good for 16V or so. I've never seen an old TV with inrush limiting built in. You could, however, buy external limiters. You plugged the set into one and then plugged that into the wall. I have several of them and they work two different ways. One type has a negative temperature coefficient thermistor connected in series with the AC line. This has a "high" resistance (100 - 200 ohms) at room temperature. When the set is turned on, this resistance keeps the current low. However, this current heats the thermistor. As it's temperature rises, it's resistance drops. In a few seconds it is hot enough to be essentially a short and the set operates normally. If the set is turned off, it takes a minute or two for it to cool down enough to work again. In other words, it won't limit the surge if the power fails for a fraction of a second. I have one of these that measures about 200 ohms at room temperature. I use it on a typical AA5 and it substantially reduces the "flare" in some of the tubes when it is turned on. The other way that these limiters worked was to have a piece of resistance wire connected in series with the AC line. This resistance limited the inrush current. The wire was wrapped around a bimetal strip with contacts on it. When the wire got hot, it heated the strip which bent until the contacts closed and shorted the heater. A small auxillary heater kept it hot enough to keep the contacts closed. This type also took some time to cool off. Switching power supplies commonly use one of two methods to control the inrush. One is to use a thermistor as described above, except that it is built in. The other way is to use a fixed resistor in series with the input. This limits the current. After a certain time, a triac or a pair of SCRs is triggered and shorts the resistor. This type has the advantage that it resets instantly when the power is shut off. Many modern power supplies have built in power factor correction to reduce the line frequency harmonics that they generate. A few of these (very, very few) are designed so that the power factor correction circuit has a current limiting function so that they draw no inrush at all. A thermistor from a computer power supply won't work well as an inrush limiter for a radio. It's resistance is too low. It might work for a large TV however. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 323427 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Sony 8-301W followup works now! Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 00:47:55 -0600 Message-ID: References: well, i took a crack at it today. i hate tv's but i told him i would look and point. if he wanted to get zapped that was his business. busted solder joint on a cap, and a disconnected wire. works like a champ now!! randy "xrongor" wrote in message news:dhleqp$32u4$1@news3.infoave.net... > friend of mine just acquired a sony 8-301W portable television that > 'almost' works. instead of being a go between, i'd rather just recommend > a newsgroup to him and let him ask his own questions. > > i know its not a radio or phono, but older tv's seem to come up quite > often on this group. is this the best forum to direct him to for fixing > it? if not which is a better one? > > thx > randy > Article: 323428 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Portable console? References: Message-ID: <6hq0f.2462$wg.1601@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:35:30 GMT Rune wrote: > I asked the seller if he had mixed pictures but he insists that GE called > this a "portable". It's not even battery operated, I could understand the > confusion if it were. > > Anybody ever hear of such a claim by GE? You have to remember that GE typically would attach a suitcase handle to the top of a 40 pound B&W TV set and call IT a portable. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323429 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: Subject: Re: Portable console? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:12:49 GMT The portable version would have a handle on top. -- Mike Schultz "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:Dd6dnfG3zocDk9_eRVn-tQ@comcast.com... > this set is in no way portable... maybe the owner is hard of hearing or, > thinking "shipable"? I restored one of these early this year, they are > GREAT sets, but a pain to "R& R" (remove and reassemble). "L" means 1942 > model year. 915 means 9 tubes. > > Mark Oppat > > > ucwphillyDOTrr.com> wrote in message > news:WJl0f.8056$wf6.1265061@twister.nyc.rr.com... >> Check this: >> >> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U5D825AEB >> >> I asked the seller if he had mixed pictures but he insists that GE called >> this a "portable". It's not even battery operated, I could understand the >> confusion if it were. >> >> Anybody ever hear of such a claim by GE? >> >> Ray >> >> >> > > > Article: 323430 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <4154-4340814C-471@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: AK-60 Working! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:34:02 GMT John, I can't wait either on that Philco 54. However I've already been inside it; it's not all that easy but I don't think it's any worse than the average car radio. Some of these you REALLY have to strip down to reach some of those caps. I think the good one is the 57 T-Bird. These are notorious for the on-off switch going bad. If you've seen one of these radios, you know what I'm talking about -- that switch is mounted on the tuner and is activated by the first pushbutton. The only way to get to this switch -- according to most -- is to bend the bottom cover downward and reach up in there from underneath. In all my years of doing this, I've only seen two or three radios where the bottom cover wasn't all bent to heck. Sometimes it's chopped off, or there's a big hole in the bottom. Well, having done so many conversions and having disassembled more of these than I can count, I know how to get that cover off -- and it only takes about two minutes. And yes I can put it back on -- the only tricky part is installing one gear, and even that's not hard if you know how to do it. Once again, I've done so many that I can remove the cover, take it out to the garage and hammer it straight. Practice makes perfect; when done it's hard to tell that it was ever bent in the first place. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:Fam0f.390136$x96.276585@attbi_s72... > In article , > gtayman@gate.net says... >> >> >>-- >>Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > > I want to hear Gary Whine a little when he gets into that Philco 54.. > think thats the one with a couple of caps up around and behind the tuner > on top of the chassis.. tightly packed set... > > Your getting there Gary on the AK-60 ... just keep monitoring the > power tranny temperature... that is the one weak point on these > sets.... other than maybe the interstage transformer and your beyond > that at this point its working.... > > John k9uwa > Article: 323431 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <5694-433F603A-422@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> <6wQ%e.6114$oc.14@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: AK-60 -- still more questions Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:56:40 GMT John, Are you bringing this to the Sarasota swap meet on December 3rd? This is one meet that in my opinion has far too much unused potential. There are plenty of hobbyists and collectors around, but most either have never heard of this meet or have been here and been disappointed. The summer one, if we have a dozen people we're lucky. I'm trying to change that. I've already been talking it up at various places, and I've already got four, new, serious, dealers signed up. In a couple of weeks I plan to go around to the antique shops in Sarasota and Bradenton and pass out flyers. I'll also take a trip to Venice, then Arcadia to do the same. I'll try to get an ad in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune and the Bradenton Herald. We've recently made this into a "show and swap meet", meaning we're trying to get people to bring their radios for display. The first time we had about a dozen radios; the second time there was only one -- mine. This time, although it's not "approved" yet, I'm looking at having a people's choice trophy awarded to the best radio on display. The energy for this show is pushing upward, but I suppose I'll have to wait till December to see what happens. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:Q3m0f.390094$x96.236687@attbi_s72... > In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet > says... >> >> >> >>John Goller, a regular here, has a barn FULL of these kind of radios. >>Pretty sure he's starting to think of selling some. >> >>Mark Oppat >> >> >> > > Florida Collectors.... > > Please See Garage Inventory Page and Shed Inventory Page .... > > http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/ > > My next trip south is just about December 1st.... Van is at this > point about 1/2 full for that trip.... > > John k9uwa > Article: 323432 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <5694-433F603A-422@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> <6wQ%e.6114$oc.14@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: AK-60 -- still more questions Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:01:42 GMT Mark, I keep saying, one of these days. There are major car shows that I'd like to attend, and radio meets. In some cases I can even call it a business expense. But I'm still working on getting the business humming -- I got laid off, making this suddenly full time, just in time for the summer slump. I've been squeaking by for months, and just now business is starting to pick up. Once I get some money in the bank, maybe I can start doing these things. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:uNGdnT1-2JSOS9zeRVn-ig@comcast.com... > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > >>>>>>> Gee, I can't wait to see a Majestic or Crosley from that era! >> >> > > Gary, you better get up here to our MARC "Extravaganza" in Lansing one of > these years (usually the weekend after July 4, its July 7&8 in 2006, > featuring Philco for its unofficial centenial). > > We will supply you with all the pre-1933 era stuff your vehicle can carry! > They go cheap up here. Better get the air shocks installed, however. 3 > of > these and you start dragging! > > We are in the "radio range" that runs from the Chicago metro area east > thru > MI and upper Ohio into PA and the east coast. This is where the vast > number > of pre WW2 radios were sold and still are. > > Or, at least get ye to Charlotte, NC in late March. That is the closest to > Extravaganza in the south. They do a nice job. I've been there 12 years > in > a row now. I deliver sets in route and have sold sets there, most by > pre-arrangement, but mostly parts. > > John Goller, a regular here, has a barn FULL of these kind of radios. > Pretty sure he's starting to think of selling some. > > Mark Oppat > > > Article: 323433 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Portable console? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:21:52 GMT This unit is so portable that the buyer has to come and pick it up himself! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Rune" wrote in message news:WJl0f.8056$wf6.1265061@twister.nyc.rr.com... > Check this: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?U5D825AEB > > I asked the seller if he had mixed pictures but he insists that GE called > this a "portable". It's not even battery operated, I could understand the > confusion if it were. > > Anybody ever hear of such a claim by GE? > > Ray > > Article: 323434 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? From: Larry References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:52:31 -0400 "Phil B" wrote in news:DOadnanHv9hhgd_eRVn- jA@comcast.com: > underline the exaggeration that audio enthusiasts tend toward. I always like the power output ratings of furniture-store stereos in those pressboard and verneer cabinets. "1400 watts music power" they proclaim through their three 6" paper speakers and 1 amp line fuse. They must generate their own power in some kind of perpetual motion scheme..(c; If we hook the 1400 watt output back to the line cord drawing one amp, we'll have 1300 watts of surplus to run the rest of the house for free! -- Larry Article: 323435 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: AK-60 -- still more questions From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <5694-433F603A-422@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> <6wQ%e.6114$oc.14@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:41:49 GMT In article , gtayman@gate.net says... > > >John, > >Are you bringing this to the Sarasota swap meet on December 3rd? > Hi Gary.... doubt that we make the meet on Dec 3rd.... we will make the one later... March.... but I have no place in FL to store any radios... so the only thing we can bring are pieces that are sold ahead of our leaving home... John k9uwa Article: 323436 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: Subject: Re: Portable console? Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:42:05 -0500 Message-ID: <434276ec$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> This must be one of those guys who bought a eBay sell&ship franchise because he's too unqualified to have a real job. What a maroon. Handsome cabinet though. Not bad for a GE. paul "Rune" wrote in message news:WJl0f.8056$wf6.1265061@twister.nyc.rr.com... > Check this: > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?U5D825AEB > > I asked the seller if he had mixed pictures but he insists that GE called > this a "portable". It's not even battery operated, I could understand the > confusion if it were. > > Anybody ever hear of such a claim by GE? > > Ray > > Article: 323437 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: good stuff here lately... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:04:14 GMT Yes, I've been watching the weather up north as well. Around here it's cooled off by maybe about two degrees, but then there's only about 20 degrees differential between summer and winter anyway. Business is usually slow during the summer, because of the weather. The "car show season" lasts all summer, and when the first cold snap hits they put the cars in the garage and send me the radios. The midwest is finally getting colder, and I'm starting to get the phone calls. In Florida the car show season begins in October and runs through May. People are trying to get me to go to their car shows -- if I went to even half of them I'd never be home. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:NMGdnQ7Rj4GFRdzenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > just noting the topics and postings seemed to have perked up a bit lately, > August and early Sept seemed boring to me. Good discussions. > > Soon as Kutztown was over, things bounced up a notch... now, soon as the > cold weather comes things will move indoors more. Here in Detroit area, > we have had the hottest summer (near record) and today it was 80, not > typical Oct weather at all... will be above 65 all week too...very odd > for > here. > > Mark Oppat > > > Article: 323438 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Nomen Nescio Subject: Re: CRT Rebuilding Disadvantage and Risk? References: Message-ID: <88cb5887f36540c94df1af4d60052aea@dizum.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:10:08 +0200 (CEST) On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:58:01 -0400, Andy Cuffe wrote: >Since the CRT is useless anyway, there's nothing to lose except the >cost of the rebuild. Yes, $250 for the rebuild and maybe another $500 for freight. That's a lot of money! >I assume you've let the CRT run for long enough to be sure the red >cathode won't "wake up". It's the green gun that is really low. Actually, the set starts out ok and then gets darker over time. When first turned on, if I turn down the brightness all the way I can still see some picture. After 10 minutes, with brightness turned all the way up, the picture is ok but kinda dark. With the brightness turned all the way down, the picture is completely off. Totally dark. Seems like as the CRT warms up the emission really goes down. On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:32:14 -0400, "Mark Oppat" wrote: >back in the old TV servicing days, my buddy the tech would zap the weak >guns with his Sencore CRT tester/rejuvenator. I have one, but never have >used it. You might want to try that first. It's been tried. When I first got the tube all three guns were in the bad region. I was able to "wake-up" the red and blue cathodes. But the green is pretty bad. As I measure the emission the needle actually falls from .4 to .3. I zapped it twice but no improvement. If I try it again I'll probably blow the filaments and that will be the end. I'm new to TV repair and don't quite understand how a CRT works. I'm particularly confused about the difference between the 1st and 2nd screens, G1 and G2. The G1 screens are used for chroma but the G2 screens are used for luminance? If the G1 screens were removed from the circuit, would the CRT operate just like a B&W tube? I'm trying to figure out if maybe I have a G2 bias problem, and maybe that's causing a lack of brightness. I seem to have the correct DC voltages on the cathodes but not sure if the amplitude of the AC waveforms are correct. Article: 323439 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: IFT? References: <1128366135.043471.225660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1128436743.746064.48520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:47:02 GMT MRW wrote: >>From looking at the schematic, it seems like there are two bandpass > filters between the mixer stage and the IF amplifier stage. My > reasoning being is that the TOKO variable inductor in parallel with a > built-in 180pF represents a parallel resonant circuit. I don't know the > resonance frequency, but I'm guessing it's close to the center > frequency (455 KHz) of the Murata bandpass filter. > > Am I guessing right? Is it a usual case to utilize two bandpass filters > at once? You could call it as a pair of bandpass filters. Except one has a very wide response (the tuned coil) and one has a very sharp and clearly defined bandpass (the Murata filter) Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323440 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:03:36 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Surge resistor needed, 79 ohms References: <1128437963.746811.92930@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: frenchy wrote: > Anybody know a suitable available replacement for a surge limiter in a > 1961 TV? All the parts list says is it's a "surge limiter, 79 ohms > cold". It's in series with the line voltage. Right now I just twisted > the leads together because it's gradually cracking and busting off > chunks and limiting the current into the set. Thanks! > Is the total current under 2 amps? If so, a plain old CL-90 ought to work. http://www.thermometrics.com/assets/images/cl.pdf -Bill Article: 323441 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: IFT? References: <1128366135.043471.225660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1128436743.746064.48520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128439834.113732.32360@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <%mx0f.2479$wg.438@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:39:39 GMT MRW wrote: > What would be the purpose of using two bandpass filters? The band pass is usually set by the filter itself. The "2nd" filter, although first in line, is more of a "Let's see how well we can get the signal from the proceeding stage into this Murata filter" type of arrangement. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323442 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:39:54 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: IFT? References: <1128366135.043471.225660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1128436743.746064.48520@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128439834.113732.32360@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: MRW wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > Thanks for the reply! > > What would be the purpose of using two bandpass filters? Is this solely > for clearing up interference from adjacent signals even more? I was > looking at the datasheet for the Murata ceramic filter and I think it > has a 3dB bandwidth of +/- 10 kHz, so if the TOKO tuned coil has a wide > response, then wouldn't any stray signal falling within 10kHz from the > center frequency passing through the tuned coil would not have that > much of a magnitude decrease when it reaches the Murata filter? > > I'm curious. Thanks! > Those little guys generally don't have very good 'ultimate' rejection, ie the stuff that may be well outside of the bandpass. Although one filter may reject it by say 60db that may result in bleedthru. TWO will reject that same example by 120db. -Bill Article: 323443 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <7Oc0f.19655$wg.10359@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1128381991.180081.97140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:42:10 GMT Larry wrote: > Geez, Jeff. Sorry if I stepped on your tinker toys. Sorry.... No need to apologize. Remember, you're always right, so what have you got to apologize for? Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323444 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "hydebee" Subject: fa rca radiola 48 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:03:59 -0400 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6567189825 Article: 323445 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: fa rca radiola 48 References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:14:14 GMT 48 tubes eh? heh heh. hydebee wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6567189825 Interesting "modification" to the cabinet. I suspect it was done to fit under a book shelf or counter perhaps. Jeff > > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323446 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: fa rca radiola 48 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:14:33 GMT "hydebee" wrote in message news:OLx0f.1251$Uk7.717@fe05.lga... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6567189825 > That one should win the "weirdest chassis design" award. jim menning Article: 323447 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: New forum... From: Ron Ramirez Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:05:01 GMT ...for anyone interested in discussing Philco radios: http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php Coem on in and check it out. It's intended to complement the newsgroup, not compete with it. -- Ron Ramirez - Evansville, Indiana Visit PhilcoRadio.com at http://www.philcoradio.com/ and the new Philco Phorum at http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php Article: 323448 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: New forum... From: Ron Ramirez References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:10:13 GMT Ron Ramirez wrote in news:Xns96E57AE98A538mrphilco@ 207.115.63.158: > Coem on in Holy Crap, that's what I get for typing too fast...sorry, folks. -- Ron Ramirez - Evansville, Indiana Visit PhilcoRadio.com at http://www.philcoradio.com/ and the new Philco Phorum at http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php Article: 323449 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Philco 511 color question: Spanish brown to black? Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:23:50 +0200 Message-ID: <200656ea822e8e68f1782118b0c83c5e@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> I've just become the new owner of a 1928 Philco 511; it had a beautiful paint job of rolled latex pink. I was able to easily remove the latex with wood alcohol and uncovered what appears to be 100% factory black over 100% Spanish brown. Nope, no flowers. My local super-paint store computer matched the Spanish brown in low luster oil enamel- no problem. The problem is what is the original dark highligting color: black or dark brown? There should be plenty of left over Spanish brown paint for people needing it. I had to buy a quart. -Pete O. Article: 323450 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Well, here it is, now that it is in my possession. Looks like fun, doesn't it? :) And yes, that's brown paint all over it. http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-before.jpg paul Article: 323451 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Message-ID: <4rA0f.69807$mb4.52623@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:08:48 GMT "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net... > Well, here it is, now that it is in my possession. Looks like fun, > doesn't it? :) And yes, that's brown paint all over it. > > http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-before.jpg > > paul > > > What the hell were they thinking? With that shade of brown they should have put orange grille cloth in it. jim menning Article: 323452 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Philco 511 color question: Spanish brown to black? From: Ron Ramirez References: <200656ea822e8e68f1782118b0c83c5e@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:43:58 GMT Hi Pete Dark brown was the original color used with the lighter "Spanish Brown." Model 513 "Labrador Grey" uses black as a trim color; but it has the painted flowers, also. -- Ron Ramirez - Evansville, Indiana Visit PhilcoRadio.com at http://www.philcoradio.com/ and the new Philco Phorum at http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php "Pete_O" wrote in news:200656ea822e8e68f1782118b0c83c5e@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com: > I've just become the new owner of a 1928 Philco 511; it had a > beautiful paint job of rolled latex pink. I was able to easily remove > the latex with wood alcohol and uncovered what appears to be 100% > factory black over 100% Spanish brown. Nope, no flowers. > > My local super-paint store computer matched the Spanish brown in low > luster oil enamel- no problem. The problem is what is the original > dark highligting color: black or dark brown? > > There should be plenty of left over Spanish brown paint for people > needing it. I had to buy a quart. -Pete O. Article: 323453 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:34:19 GMT In article <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net>, pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com says... > > >Well, here it is, now that it is in my possession. Looks like fun, doesn't >it? :) And yes, that's brown paint all over it. > >http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-before.jpg > >paul > > > Ahh.... nice "Antiquing" on that one Paul... It should come off.. as long as the original finish didn't have any really worn off spots.. the original finish has been protected >from the elements by this ugly stuff! John k9uwa Article: 323454 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Zenith 8-S-463 Dial Cord From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1128451601.082308.124700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:37:04 GMT In article <1128451601.082308.124700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, radiodale@att.net says... > > >Sight unseen I volunteered to replace the dial cord on this model >Zenith for a coworker. Is this standard dial cord or a belt, etc? >How complex is the effort? Although I have replaced many dial cords, I >have never attempted one on a large Zenith. > Thank you, > Dale > Dial cord goes from the side pulley up to the variable capacitor and Dial Belt goes from pulley to tuning shaft... for the top one.. 50-85 pound test fishline braided nylon works well.... for the belt use Rubber O ring made from 1/8" round rubber.. make it about 3/4" shorter than whatever a string around the pulleys measures. John k9uwa Article: 323455 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" Subject: 1625? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:38:05 GMT I was looking at eBay item 5815674225. Nice looking radio, seems to be using a 1625. The seller says it needs only a 12V adapter, ...and the anode voltage? what kind of schematic makes this tube working without HV on the plate?? -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 323456 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: 1625? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:44:37 -0400 Good lord. A transmitting tube for a regenerative receiver! The tube might work in a regen circuit with 12 volts on the plate, but it certainly wasn't designed for that purpose. All in all, it is fairly silly construction excercise, since the filament voltage and current are absurd for that application! A lantern battery would be history in short order. Pete "Daniele" wrote in message news:NKB0f.750$Ik7.14988@twister2.libero.it... > I was looking at eBay item 5815674225. > Nice looking radio, seems to be using a 1625. > The seller says it needs only a 12V adapter, > ...and the anode voltage? what kind of schematic > makes this tube working without HV on the plate?? > > > -- > > Daniele ^___^ > http://www.tuberadio.it > > Article: 323457 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Philco 511 color question: Spanish brown to black? Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:53:53 +0200 Message-ID: <668caa0f0613dd91aaee633b1ec9b43c@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <200656ea822e8e68f1782118b0c83c5e@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Thnaks Ron- I didn't want to take any chances. Black seemed too stark; the black covering the Spanish brown must have been put on my radio at a later time. -Pete O. Article: 323458 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? From: Larry References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <7Oc0f.19655$wg.10359@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1128381991.180081.97140@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:57:55 -0400 Jeffrey D Angus wrote in news:mpx0f.2480$wg.2104@tornado.socal.rr.com: > you're always right No, actually I've been wrong a couple of times. I voted for Goldwater in '64, but that may have not been a mistake. I got married in 1981, and I admit that my judgement at that time was quite poor. Noone warned me of the awful effects wedding cake has on a woman's sex drive....(sigh) I bought a Pontiac Diesel Bonneville in 1980 after GM promised me they'd fixed the diesel's problems. They lied. My mistake. Do they count? -- Larry Article: 323459 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:09:44 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Surge resistor needed, 79 ohms References: <1128437963.746811.92930@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1128443143.529796.157430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128444928.277124.170680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128458322.717412.80280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: frenchy wrote: > Never mind, can't do two in parallel, will overload the one with lowest > resistance... so I will get one that's rated at 4 or 5 amps. > Thanks!...Frenchy > You could put "equalizing resistors" across them :) -BM Article: 323460 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Here is how it should go... From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1128432713.612478.268110@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:14:08 GMT In article <1128432713.612478.268110@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, mldenison@suscom.net says... > > >Hi John, > >Finally got all those S-22 variants done (S-22, S-22X from you and an >S-22A). Looking good and I'll send you a picture of the grouping. > >Mark - Speaking of emails, I emailed you a need for an IF transformer >and included the model number and part number as well as an additional >email wanting to know if you had five Loctal sockets available. I >realize that this isn't much of an order, but it would help me out. If >you didn't get the emails, I can resend them. > Hi Mort.... yes be sure to send me the pictures of your group of the Ge S22 radios... and or post it to the binaries or a website.. John k9uwa Article: 323461 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: fa rca radiola 48 References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:25:44 -0400 Must have been a custom fit. Those relief carvings look to be wood, or are they repwood? Super nice, except for the 'lobotomy'. Ken hydebee wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6567189825 > > Article: 323462 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43430552.8080601@nycap.rr.com> From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: 7 pin plugs needed References: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:38:50 GMT Shawn, email me. I have some metal types which will work for the batteries but not for the 1L6 adapter. Shawn K wrote: > Hi all, I am trying to build a battery harness for both my R-520 and my > R-520A, the one that holds 6 D cell batteries. I need several 7 pin > plugs to do this, plus a few more to experiment making adapters for 1L6 > replacements. Any idea where to get these?? > Article: 323463 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: Portable console? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:01:33 GMT LOL! That's exactly what I said to him. Ray "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:kBt0f.6779$oc.5880@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > This unit is so portable that the buyer has to come and pick it up > himself! > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > "Rune" wrote in message > news:WJl0f.8056$wf6.1265061@twister.nyc.rr.com... >> Check this: >> >> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U5D825AEB >> >> I asked the seller if he had mixed pictures but he insists that GE called >> this a "portable". It's not even battery operated, I could understand the >> confusion if it were. >> >> Anybody ever hear of such a claim by GE? >> >> Ray >> >> > > Article: 323464 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:19:58 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Striped cloth wire Message-ID: <49247$43430e1f$4232bd94$2000@COQUI.NET> Gary, was it you looking for some striped cloth wire? ebay 6567041961, not mine. -Bill Article: 323465 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: Who needed an output transformer Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:30:17 GMT I just found an output transformer in my junk box. It looks to me as something >from an AA5 type radio. I checked it and it works, so should be OK How about a couple of dollars and shipping. 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Message-ID: <0786k1p584fk5m5v5io5og5e8n97ocd5tf@4ax.com> References: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:40:36 -0500 On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:24:44 -0400, "Engineer" wrote: >Hope springs eternal! > >http://cgi.ebay.ca/Antique-upright-radio_W0QQitemZ6567027023QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >BTW, it's not mine! >Cheers, >Roger Ships cheap enough. Hard to stuff in the envelop, though. Article: 323468 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DALE Allen" References: <1128451601.082308.124700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith 8-S-463 Dial Cord Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:42:29 GMT Thanks John "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:QJB0f.444930$xm3.264676@attbi_s21... > In article <1128451601.082308.124700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > radiodale@att.net says... >> >> >>Sight unseen I volunteered to replace the dial cord on this model >>Zenith for a coworker. Is this standard dial cord or a belt, etc? >>How complex is the effort? Although I have replaced many dial cords, I >>have never attempted one on a large Zenith. >> Thank you, >> Dale >> > > Dial cord goes from the side pulley up to the variable capacitor > and Dial Belt goes from pulley to tuning shaft... for the top one.. > 50-85 pound test fishline braided nylon works well.... for the belt > use Rubber O ring made from 1/8" round rubber.. make it about 3/4" > shorter than whatever a string around the pulleys measures. > > John k9uwa > Article: 323469 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DumpsterDiver" Subject: Philco 87 B+ Current Draw? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:55:08 GMT Anybody know how much total B+ current this radio should pull (as measured right off the #80 rectifier filament pin) ? I have measured around 120 mA on one of these sets which seems to be working fine, but I don't know if this is normal or if it is too high. I haven't replaced the filter condensers and I really don't want to get into that if I don't have to. I am measuring the current based on the voltage drop across a 0.100 Ohm resistor using a Fluke 189 meter on the DC millivolts scale. As it is, the power transformer runs a little hotter than I like, and I'm thinking this may be due to excessive load on the B supply. When I plug in a very weak (good filament, zero emission) #80 tube, the transformer runs barely warm, so I'm pretty sure that a good part of the heat is coming from the HV winding load. I just don't know how much is "normal". Thanks, DD Article: 323470 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DumpsterDiver" References: <0v76k11s4ots1cvc447r7lrci129ikt99t@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Anybody know what this is? - radio.jpg Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:08:44 GMT Looks like a late 1920's / early 1930's power supply / audio amplifier unit. What are the tube numbers? I'm guessing maybe 2@ #81, 2@ #27 & 2@ #45. What does it say on the nameplate? DD "Phil Witt" wrote in message news:0v76k11s4ots1cvc447r7lrci129ikt99t@4ax.com... > Appears to be a receiver of some sort. Military? > Only picture available. > > Article: 323471 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Sorta OT Speaker Question Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:29:27 -0400 Message-ID: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> A good friend showed me a nice (giant) pair of Bozark speakers (model "Urban") that appear to be from the 1960s he has and I wondered if these are collectible or particularly noteworthy. Thanks! John H. Article: 323472 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Sorta OT Speaker Question Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:31:53 -0400 Message-ID: <11k6b898pavlp70@corp.supernews.com> References: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > Bozark speakers Make that Bozak- finger slip :) John H. Article: 323473 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:33:13 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Philco 87 B+ Current Draw? References: Message-ID: <96907$43432d5b$4232be8b$5198@COQUI.NET> DumpsterDiver wrote: > Anybody know how much total B+ current this radio should pull (as measured > right off the #80 rectifier filament pin) ? > > I have measured around 120 mA on one of these sets which seems to be working > fine, but I don't know if this is normal or if it is too high. I haven't > replaced the filter condensers and I really don't want to get into that if I > don't have to. I am measuring the current based on the voltage drop across a > 0.100 Ohm resistor using a Fluke 189 meter on the DC millivolts scale. Sounds high to me. Looking at the schematics on NostalgiaAir I'd expect something closer to 70-80 ma. Although the filter caps are likely suspects there could also be some biasing issues with the 45s that could account for that much increase. You could take a resistance reading across the AF xfmr and compare that with its voltage drop to see if they are drawing excessive current. -Bill Article: 323474 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: fa rca radiola 48 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:37:24 GMT "Ken" wrote in message news:xrC0f.3770$U%5.1313@lakeread05... > Those relief carvings look to be wood, or are they repwood? The answer is here: http://www.radiolaguy.com/Showcase/Radiola48.htm jim menning Article: 323475 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Dial lenses Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:45:19 -0400 Message-ID: <11k6c1f9ar5tp1f@corp.supernews.com> References: <1125541172.367476.49070@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1514-4319F6EC-519@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Benjamaniac wrote: > Damn it good to see those capital letters !!!! DITTO :) John H. Article: 323476 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Nomen Nescio Subject: Re: CRT Rebuilding Disadvantage and Risk? References: <1128469117.915496.137970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <569af673d3a9b26ad52222c3af26f2fa@dizum.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 03:50:02 +0200 (CEST) On 4 Oct 2005 16:38:37 -0700, "Scott Marshall" wrote: >I just today got my 1949 Pilot TV-125 to work with a recently rebuilt >12LP4 CRT by Hawk Eye Picture Tube Manufacturing. > >Sparks erupted inside the neck when high voltage was first applied. On >Hawk Eye's recommendation, I let it rip and after 15 minutes it quit. >Now the tube is operating nicely. Apparently specks of dust become >dislodged during shipping and need to be burned off. The rebuild cost >$250 plus shipping. But I thought you eventually concluding that the sparks were the result of a a spring not making good electrical contact to the external aquadag. Once you moved the spring to an area that had a nice black coating, the sparks went away. What kind of warranty does HawkEye provide on a rebuild? Article: 323477 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Phil Witt Subject: Re: Anybody know what this is? - radio.jpg Message-ID: References: <0v76k11s4ots1cvc447r7lrci129ikt99t@4ax.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:03:54 -0500 If I knew the answeres to your questions I would know what it is. Your tube lineup seems plausible. I am thinking that the RF tubes are inside the vented enclosure, next to the large tuning condenser. Or not. On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:08:44 GMT, "DumpsterDiver" wrote: >Looks like a late 1920's / early 1930's power supply / audio amplifier unit. > >What are the tube numbers? I'm guessing maybe 2@ #81, 2@ #27 & 2@ #45. > >What does it say on the nameplate? > >DD >"Phil Witt" wrote in message >news:0v76k11s4ots1cvc447r7lrci129ikt99t@4ax.com... >> Appears to be a receiver of some sort. Military? >> Only picture available. >> >> > Article: 323478 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: A bit rich! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:10:54 -0400 "Engineer" wrote in message news:F-ednWfAl-3igN7eRVn-oQ@rogers.com... > Hope springs eternal! > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/Antique-upright-radio_W0QQitemZ6567027023QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > BTW, it's not mine! > Cheers, > Roger Too bad it's not a "portable" :) -- "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 323479 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Sorta OT Speaker Question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:11:47 -0400 "Hagstar" wrote in message news:11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com... >A good friend showed me a nice (giant) pair of Bozark speakers (model >"Urban") that appear to be from the 1960s he has and I wondered if these >are collectible or particularly noteworthy. Thanks! > > John H. Spent a week in the Bozarks last summer... :) Article: 323480 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:29:46 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Sorta OT Speaker Question References: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Buck Frobisher wrote: > "Hagstar" wrote in message > news:11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com... > >>A good friend showed me a nice (giant) pair of Bozark speakers (model >>"Urban") that appear to be from the 1960s he has and I wondered if these >>are collectible or particularly noteworthy. Thanks! >> >>John H. > > > Spent a week in the Bozarks last summer... :) > > That Humphrey Bozark was a great actor. I guess thats why they named the mountains after him. -Bill Article: 323481 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:31:09 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Sorta OT Speaker Question References: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Bill wrote: > Buck Frobisher wrote: > >> "Hagstar" wrote in message >> news:11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com... >> >>> A good friend showed me a nice (giant) pair of Bozark speakers (model >>> "Urban") that appear to be from the 1960s he has and I wondered if >>> these are collectible or particularly noteworthy. Thanks! >>> >>> John H. >> >> >> >> Spent a week in the Bozarks last summer... :) >> > That Humphrey Bozark was a great actor. I guess thats why they named > the mountains after him. > > -Bill "Don't Bozark that joint, my friend" -ex Article: 323482 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Sorta OT Speaker Question Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:39:09 -0400 Message-ID: <11k6f6ckcpq7pd1@corp.supernews.com> References: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> Bill wrote: > > "Don't Bozark that joint, my friend" > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bozark&defid=440491 Article: 323483 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:50:36 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Sorta OT Speaker Question References: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> <11k6f6ckcpq7pd1@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Hagstar wrote: > > > Bill wrote: > >> >> "Don't Bozark that joint, my friend" >> > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bozark&defid=440491 > Ouch! -Bill Article: 323484 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:53:18 -0500 Message-ID: <43433e6b$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> > It should come off.. as long as the original finish didn't have any > really worn off spots.. the original finish has been protected > from the elements by this ugly stuff! I hope so. And I don't care if the grille cloth is orange or blue or what, it's gotta go right along with that paint. Yech. Anyone know offhand what the best repro grille cloth from grillecloth.com might be? And what's the best way to get that paint off? Heat gun and scrape? Good news is the set plays; even though half the tubes are mediocre to weak; and the controls all work. Should be a nice electronic resto so I can waste all my time on the cabinet.... Speaking of the electronics check my next post. I have a question about the 6C5s in this set. paul Article: 323485 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" Subject: Silvertone 6C5G tubes Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:02:04 -0500 Message-ID: <43434077_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Hi all. I haven't gotten a full answer on this yet; wondering if any of the regulars here might have a clue. Check Riders Vol. 8 Sears pg. 8-70 (for model 4587), under "Replacement of the Oscillator Tube." NA link at http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/124/M0017124.pdf You know that most 6C5Gs, unlike other triodes, have an internal shield that surrounds the elements. However, every Silvertone brand 6C5G I've seen does not have this shield, and the plate is visible. Apparently owners needed to use Silvertone branded 6C5Gs as the oscillator tube in their sets, as other brands which had the internal shield had interelement capacities sufficiently different that the alignment would be affected on the foreign band. That, or pay for a realignment. Anybody know the story behind why Sears was getting 6C5Gs that didn't match the RCA spec for 6C5G? Has anyone seen any other brand of 6C5G like this without the internal shield? Thanks Paul Article: 323486 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Diane" Subject: Cleaning Airplane Fabric of 6G601 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 03:36:39 GMT What do you use to clean up the tan/brown linen-like fabric of a Clipper Universal 6G601? Other than dirt and beach stains they are in great shape. Also what treatment for dry leather handles? Thanks, Phil (not Diane) Article: 323487 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: AK-60 -- still more questions From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <5694-433F603A-422@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> <6wQ%e.6114$oc.14@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:19:18 GMT In article , newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > > Anybody know about that '41-or '42 Zenith with the dial and pushbuttons pointing >nearly upward? I think it's in the 9th picture. That's a way cool radio, I've never >seen one like that. Zenith Spinet... 10H571 has the old FM on it as well as AM + one short wave band... that one is missing one of the 3 button gadgets.... think at this point won't ever find one... all else fails will make a mold and make one of them... HI Tom.... Bring large truck and money and we will talk.... JOhn k9uwa Article: 323488 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Zenith 8-S-463 Dial Cord From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1128451601.082308.124700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <_BI0f.392880$x96.280937@attbi_s72> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:26:34 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >John, I recommend .139/ .140 dia round belts for most any radio. .125 is >too thin, it creeps or streaches. Thicker than .140 by much and it wont go >around smaller pulleys. > >Mark Oppat might try that next time I order the stuff Mark... I buy it in 100 foot lengths... the roll is getting down again... John k9uwa Article: 323489 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "william_b_noble" Subject: somewhat OT - seeking a plastic dial cover (crystal?) Message-ID: <1128489632.1bc72dc47b26ad77ae17555782cf768f@teranews> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:20:13 -0700 alright, the only relationship of this post to radios is that I know you guys (some of you guys) have spent a long time looking for dial covers (faces, crystals, whatever you call them) - what I need is a clear plastic domed watch crystal type thing that has a diameter of 2.118 inches - I can tweak the diameter a little on my lathe if required, and of course I can break down and buy one from a specialty supplier for $20, but this ought to be a $5 part. (it is the lens or crystal for an older trav-a-dial, if you are curious). Anyway, if anyone has a suggested source, please let me know. -- Bill to Email me, repair this address and use it: william_ b_ noble at msn dot com also check out http://www.wbnoble.com Article: 323490 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "william_b_noble" References: Subject: Re: Virtual Vintag Radios Message-ID: <1128490406.607e2919249142eb9433ae492676f883@teranews> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:32:50 -0700 great idea - kind of like those fish tank screen blankers that tend to make you go out and buy an aquarium, right? pretty devious "Phil B" wrote in message news:DYudnVNLzolG_t7enZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > I've been following a series of articles in Popular Communications > magazine about "software defined radio". Over the past few years this new > concept for radio receivers has been gaining momentum. You buy a board > that plugs in to your PC or a box that connects via USB. The box contains > a couple of DSP chips and receives and digitizes all signals from 0 to > 10MHz or so in real time. Frequency selection and demodulation is done > with DSP software running on your PC. There are no tuned circuits in the > box! The software can even display a spectrum analyzer display of the > entire range, or zoom in on a narrower range. There is a growing base of > free GNU open source software available for controlling them. I think all > of it currently runs on LINUX :-( > > I don't think anyone has done this yet, but my wayward mind envisions a > collection of "skins" that show pristine, desirable vintage radios on your > screen. Tuning, band switching, tone, volume etc. would by controlled by > dragging your mouse around the dials and controls. Even a nice bright > tuning eye could be functional. This is real radio from an antenna, not > internet radio. > > No need to fuss with restoring vintage radios in the future. Just bring up > your favorite and there it is in all its pristine glory. How about > sometime in the future you could have full sized flat panel screens around > your house with a different radio up and running on each one. > > > > Phil B > Article: 323491 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Sorta OT Speaker Question Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: <11k7hv6pr4hhedd@corp.supernews.com> References: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > > Anyhow, Bozaks have a reputation for a big, rich, full sound. A recent > Stereophile had a complimenatry article on them. Collectible and noteworthy? > Absolutely. > > Thanks everyone, although I'm a novice with old audio equipment these "smelled" important. I will inform my friend so we can get them to someone who appreciates them. I have two sets of GREAT vintage speakers here- Polk from the 80's and some Electrovoices- so I won't be acquiring them! We are in Vermont if anyone is interested- price would be likely 60% of ebay value. John H. Article: 323492 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Murrell" References: Subject: Re: Virtual Vintag Radios Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:51:27 GMT This technology also marks the beginning of the end of the Armstrong Superheterodyne. The RF is digitized directly and the software determines the modulation method and decodes it. "Phil B" wrote in message news:DYudnVNLzolG_t7enZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > I've been following a series of articles in Popular Communications > magazine about "software defined radio". Over the past few years this new > concept for radio receivers has been gaining momentum. You buy a board > that plugs in to your PC or a box that connects via USB. The box contains > a couple of DSP chips and receives and digitizes all signals from 0 to > 10MHz or so in real time. Frequency selection and demodulation is done > with DSP software running on your PC. There are no tuned circuits in the > box! The software can even display a spectrum analyzer display of the > entire range, or zoom in on a narrower range. There is a growing base of > free GNU open source software available for controlling them. I think all > of it currently runs on LINUX :-( > > I don't think anyone has done this yet, but my wayward mind envisions a > collection of "skins" that show pristine, desirable vintage radios on your > screen. Tuning, band switching, tone, volume etc. would by controlled by > dragging your mouse around the dials and controls. Even a nice bright > tuning eye could be functional. This is real radio from an antenna, not > internet radio. > > No need to fuss with restoring vintage radios in the future. Just bring up > your favorite and there it is in all its pristine glory. How about > sometime in the future you could have full sized flat panel screens around > your house with a different radio up and running on each one. > > > > Phil B > Article: 323493 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: Virtual Vintag Radios Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:04:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3qi4r7FerpkkU1@individual.net> References: Phil B wrote: > There is a growing base of free GNU open source software > available for controlling them. I think all of it currently runs on LINUX > :-( > Whats wrong with that? linux is far more superior to microsoft windows anyway. -- The Shadow Knows Article: 323494 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <6sR0f.48$k77.28@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:30:26 GMT John Stone wrote: > Phil B wrote: > > >>To me, the technical elegance of electrostatic speakers is that there is no >>mass involved with the transducer. > > Yes, there is something big missing from your thinking. Where did you get > the idea that electrostatics have no moving mass? What do you think moves > the air? You've got a large moving surface of metalized film Popular Electronics, I believe, had a cover article on a flame speaker. Now that would qualify as a massless speaker. (Does anyone have that issue floating around that they could scan and post? I'd sure like to re-read it again.) Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323495 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: Anybody know what this is? - radio.jpg Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:55:00 -0700 Message-ID: <7620-4343E944-19@storefull-3152.bay.webtv.net> References: <0v76k11s4ots1cvc447r7lrci129ikt99t@4ax.com> Looks like a Stromberg Carlson chassis, models numbers like 12, 14, 22, 24, 27. The tag should have info on it. Has 2 #80 rectifiers, tuning meter and weighs a ton. Article: 323496 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128510088.309498.99580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1128510088.309498.99580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >Touchy: If something gets into the system, a shower of sparks is >possible (though unlikely). But certainly crackles and pops. I've had mine for about 17 years, I'd guess, and have never had a problem like this. CLSes also have a "screen saver", of sorts, that powers-down the panels under prolonged no-signal conditions, so they don't act like electrostatic dust precipitators when not being listened to. >As well, >the diaphram (mylar film, usually) can stretch or somehow loosen, and >other similar problems. The solutions are much more involved than >merely reconing or new surrounds as with conventional speakers. This does happen. I replaced the panels on mine last year. It's easy -- snap the new assembly into the frame and connect three wires. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 323497 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Silvertone 6C5G tubes References: <43434077_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:28:00 GMT I have several RCA 6C5G ST shape with the shield so RCA did make the glass type. Mark Oppat wrote: > paul, > I dont think there WAS an RCA spec on the 6C5G because the RCA versions were > all metal! Same with GE, Westinghouse, of course, and others using the > metal version. > Silvertone, Zenith, Philco, and others used the G and later the GT types, > most all with separate external metal sheilds. Silvertone tended to use the > ST or "G" shaped sheilds with the ring retainer at belt level. Detrola did > too. > So, the original G tube suppliers to Colonial (who made most Silvertones) > would have been Sylvainia, or Ken Rad most likely. > > Mark Oppat > a 36-'37 silvertone fan... > > > "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message > news:43434077_3@newspeer2.tds.net... > >>Hi all. I haven't gotten a full answer on this yet; wondering if any of > > the > >>regulars here might have a clue. >> >>Check Riders Vol. 8 Sears pg. 8-70 (for model 4587), under "Replacement of >>the Oscillator Tube." NA link at >>http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/124/M0017124.pdf >> >>You know that most 6C5Gs, unlike other triodes, have an internal shield > > that > >>surrounds the elements. However, every Silvertone brand 6C5G I've seen > > does > >>not have this shield, and the plate is visible. Apparently owners needed > > to > >>use Silvertone branded 6C5Gs as the oscillator tube in their sets, as > > other > >>brands which had the internal shield had interelement capacities >>sufficiently different that the alignment would be affected on the foreign >>band. That, or pay for a realignment. >> >>Anybody know the story behind why Sears was getting 6C5Gs that didn't > > match > >>the RCA spec for 6C5G? Has anyone seen any other brand of 6C5G like this >>without the internal shield? >> >>Thanks >>Paul >> >> >> > > > > Article: 323498 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jason M" Subject: Are all new capacitors the same? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:17:18 GMT Hi Everyone, I'm hoping to get three or four radios recapped by the end of the year and I was wondering about the quality of new capacitors. I have a lot of NOS paper caps (some Black Beauties, Sangamo, Dart, Sprague, Herald, etc) and NOS Sprague Mylars (orange colored) that came from a radio/tv shop that closed in the 80's(?). I'd estimate that 90% or more of those capacitors are way off value, atleast twice the original value. The newer Arco dark blue caps (mylars or something) I have seem to be still holding their value. If I go buy some cheap new, non polarity, tubular, no name caps online will they last for any length of time? Would ceramic capacitors be better if I can get a bunch of them? How about the generic electrolytics? Some of these are going in radios I'm hoping to have for some time. Thanks in advance for the advice. Jason Article: 323499 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: Virtual Vintag Radios Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:35:00 -0400 "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message news:OpidnYrDRrByndneRVn-hg@gbronline.com... > Phil B wrote: > > Only if it has a delay for the tubes to warm up when you turn it on. And sometimes smells a bit funny after it has warmed up. Oh, and crackles when you experience lightning, of course. -- "Stay strong. Be brave. Wait for the signs." Regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 323500 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" Subject: Interesting article on the intended use of the phonograph Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:05:36 -0700 Hmmm Edison had something entirely different in mind http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/gitelman.html -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! Article: 323501 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Interesting article on the intended use of the phonograph Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In "Caveat Lector" writes: >Hmmm Edison had something entirely different in mind >http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/gitelman.html Interesting article. The author, unfortunately, fails to acknowledge the role I play in disseminating the ideas put forth by this article, instead perpetuating the false dichotomy of writing and distribution being all that matters. :) :) :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 323502 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" References: Subject: Re: Interesting article on the intended use of the phonograph Message-ID: <9RV0f.359$i%.293@fed1read07> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:30:19 -0700 "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:di186n$r54$1@reader1.panix.com... > In "Caveat Lector" > writes: > >>Hmmm Edison had something entirely different in mind > >>http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/gitelman.html > > Interesting article. The author, unfortunately, fails to > acknowledge the role I play in disseminating the ideas put > forth by this article, instead perpetuating the false dichotomy > of writing and distribution being all that matters. :) :) :) > > -- > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- I too have been a ghost writer - not by choice -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! Article: 323503 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: ZENITH CABINET Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:00:21 -0500 Message-ID: <4531-434430D5-101@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: HOW MUCH IS IT? ITS BEAUTIFUL ! CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. From adouglasatgis.net Fri Oct 7 11:48:37 EDT 2005 Article: 323504 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Sorta OT Speaker Question Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:09:35 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5uf8k1d02evqg4be0rqvqgti3i586rb1rs@4ax.com> References: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> <11k7hv6pr4hhedd@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-202.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:323504 Hi, A friend had one of the Bozak "kettledrum" speakers, which I believe was Bozak's first model. He tried to sell it at several flea markets, and eventually to give it away, without success. I have a Bozak in a sort of end table, I recall Queen Anne style, an infinite baffle. I'd love to find a home for that. Also a woofer or two, and some midranges, from a pair of homebrew cabinets I was once given. Alan Article: 323505 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Are all new capacitors the same? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:13 -0400 "Jason M" wrote in message news:yUT0f.964$B31.179@trnddc03... > Hi Everyone, > > > NOS Sprague Mylars (orange colored) that came from a radio/tv shop that > closed in the 80's(?). I'd estimate that 90% or more of those capacitors > are way off value, atleast twice the original value. > > Jason > Twice value? What are you using to test the cap values? Many inexpensive capacitance meters use an inexspensive timing circuit to determine the capacitance, and that assumes there is no leakage in the device. Take an old leaky wax paper cap,. and bingo! Up goes the apparent capacitance value for no reason. A bridge is the best way to measure the caps. BTW, all paper caps will fail, if they haven't already. They start going bad the day they are made. Ceramic caps: it depends. Usually reliable, but the higher values use dielectrics that have a piezo electric effect, varying the capacitance with applied voltage. Not the best choices for audio coupling, but they make dandy bypasses. Smaller NPO values are great for RF use. Pete From adouglasatgis.net Fri Oct 7 11:48:37 EDT 2005 Article: 323506 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Are all new capacitors the same? Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:16:19 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-623.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:323506 Hi, > I'd estimate that 90% or more of those capacitors >are way off value, atleast twice the original value. The value hasn't changed, but their leakage is fooling your digital cap meter. For a demonstration, measure a modern capacitor while shunting it with a few megohms, and watch the "capacitance" reading increase. Any cap with this much leakage is bad. Alan Article: 323507 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: Re: Sorta OT Speaker Question Date: 5 Oct 2005 17:14:02 -0500 Message-ID: <43444fc9$0$230$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> References: <11k6b3n2p634lcd@corp.supernews.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: >>A good friend showed me a nice (giant) pair of Bozark speakers (model >>"Urban") that appear to be from the 1960s he has and I wondered if these >>are collectible or particularly noteworthy. Thanks! > > > Bozark, of course, was the "rip-off" brand of Bozak copies (like those > watches Manhattan peddlers sell). It was made by cheap Appalachian labor. > > Seriously, though... > > I've only heard Bozaks once, and that was 15 years. Don't remember which > model, but they were big. (Urban just does not ring a bell. I can't imagine > why any speaker designer, especially Rudy Bozak, would dub a model "Urban".) > > Anyhow, Bozaks have a reputation for a big, rich, full sound. A recent > Stereophile had a complimenatry article on them. Collectible and noteworthy? > Absolutely. I'll second this. I recall a friend who had a pair of Bozak speaker systems. He built them in modular fashion as his budget permitted. You started with the cabinets, then added an 8" driver, then you added a large woofer or a tweeter, etc., etc. I'd put them solidly in the same camp as the British Tannoys: large multi-driver furniture speakers, very pleasant and musical, quite suitable for classical musicians. With their open sound, I don't think that Polk could come close. I always thought that the "Tympani" model was a gimmick; something like those speakers that look like plastic garden rocks (and sound like plastic garden rocks). Bubba-of-the-west Article: 323508 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: CC-AWA Fall Swap Meet info Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:38:14 GMT Thanks to Brad Jones our Fall Swap meet chairman, we have some new driving directions to get to the meet in Jamestown. NCDOT has done a good bit of road work in the area and as I found out last year the directions posted on the web page didn't work anymore. You can find the new directions and all the details about the upcoming event on our Fall Swap Meet web page at; http://cc_awa.homestead.com/Fall.html It's Saturday, Oct. 29th. See ya there. Ron Article: 323509 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Are all new capacitors the same? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:12:37 GMT In article , jhsonline@nospamverizon.net says... > > >these are going in radios I'm hoping to have for some time. Thanks in >advance for the advice. > >Jason > > All those old caps you have..... pitch them all in the round file!... Or better yet ...donate them to one of our own newsgroup members that "Re-Stuffs" them with new caps..... his intials are GB ... One of our other members sells Caps... new ones.... send him your list of parts needed ..... that would be Mark Oppat.... and if he had up just a SIMPLE WEBSITE .... then you could just send a check and the list as you would know what prices he has for his caps... trust me.... they are cheaper than Antique ELectronics Supply and Mark doesn't charge a "Handling Fee" ........... John k9uwa Article: 323510 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ZENITH CABINET From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <4531-434430D5-101@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:40:16 GMT In article <4531-434430D5-101@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>, dialcover@webtv.net says... > > >HOW MUCH IS IT? ITS BEAUTIFUL ! > > The Boss says 50 bucks is fine! John k9uwa Article: 323511 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:50:08 +0900 Message-ID: References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com... > Maybe one of you MP3 junkies knows the answer to this. > > Perhaps this is a foolish project, but I thought it might be interesting > to provide audio clips of various radios and include them on my website. > "Hear a Radiola III." "Listen to the Philco 90." and so on. > > Here is the process I'm using. > > 1. Record radio using Fostex MR-8 digital recorder. > 2. Import resulting .WAV file into SoundEdit Pro (to trim the audio clip, > whatever). > 3. Save in .MP3 format. > 4. Import .MP3 file into Itunes (so I can arrange clips in different > order, etc.) > 5. Burn a test CD so I can hear the final quality on something other than > cheap computer speakers. > > Here's my question. > > It seems as if converting to .MP3 format introduces some audible clicks or > pops into the recording. > > When I import the raw .WAV-format file into Itunes, it contains none of > those clicks. > > Am I doing something wrong? Seems like the conversion process should not > be introducing noise. I would ultimately like to have .MP3 files on the > website. Sounds like your Fostex has some sort of SCM (Serial Copy Management) system on it that adds artifacts if you try to copy it more than once. Have you tried recording the radios directly to your computer in mp3 format? There are some fine and quite inexpensive mp3 recording/editing softwares out there, including MyMP3Pro, which I use extensively. For a very good free mp3 recorder you can download the basic MusicMatch Jukebox version, and use whatever other editing software you have. Article: 323512 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jason M" References: Subject: Re: Are all new capacitors the same? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:02:50 GMT I'm testing all the capacitors with a Fluke 12B multimeter. Probably not the best, but it works for a quick test. I've been testing all the capacitors (new and old) with my multimeter before doing anything else. Sometimes in a pinch if I need to use an older cap I'll hook it up to my Heathkit IT-11 capacitor checker and do and actual leak test. I haven't tested the Sprague Mylars on the Heathkit, just the Fluke meter. Out of curiousity I'll have to see what the Heathkit says. I've been using the ceramic capacitors that I have when I get values like .0003. Those are all I have around in that range. I was curious about the generic electrolytics because that's what I ordered the last time I bought caps from AES. They saved me some money, so that was the deciding factor at the time. Thanks again for the comments. Jason " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:EAX0f.388$fE5.238@fed1read06... > > "Jason M" wrote in message > news:yUT0f.964$B31.179@trnddc03... >> Hi Everyone, >> >> > NOS Sprague Mylars (orange colored) that came from a radio/tv shop >> that >> closed in the 80's(?). I'd estimate that 90% or more of those capacitors >> are way off value, atleast twice the original value. > >> Jason >> > > Twice value? What are you using to test the cap values? Many inexpensive > capacitance meters use an inexspensive timing circuit to determine the > capacitance, and that assumes there is no leakage in the device. Take > an old leaky wax paper cap,. and bingo! Up goes the apparent capacitance > value for no reason. A bridge is the best way to measure the caps. BTW, > all paper caps will fail, if they haven't already. They start going bad > the > day > they are made. > > Ceramic caps: it depends. Usually reliable, but the higher values use > dielectrics that have a piezo electric effect, varying the capacitance > with > applied voltage. Not the best choices for audio coupling, but they make > dandy bypasses. Smaller NPO values are great for RF use. > > Pete > > > Article: 323513 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:13:47 GMT Hi Phil, What happens if you playback the MP3 on the PC rather than burning a CD? In effect, you are going from WAV PCM to MP3 and back to WAV. The MP3 must be converted back to a WAV file at 44.1Khz 16 bit to be burned to a CD. Maybe the conversion from MP3 to WAV is the problem. What samplerate and bitrate are you using when you convert the original WAV file? What sample rate is the MR-8 set to during your original recording? Mark "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com... > Maybe one of you MP3 junkies knows the answer to this. > > Perhaps this is a foolish project, but I thought it might be interesting to > provide audio clips of various radios and include them on my website. "Hear > a Radiola III." "Listen to the Philco 90." and so on. > > Here is the process I'm using. > > 1. Record radio using Fostex MR-8 digital recorder. > 2. Import resulting .WAV file into SoundEdit Pro (to trim the audio clip, > whatever). > 3. Save in .MP3 format. > 4. Import .MP3 file into Itunes (so I can arrange clips in different order, > etc.) > 5. Burn a test CD so I can hear the final quality on something other than > cheap computer speakers. > > Here's my question. > > It seems as if converting to .MP3 format introduces some audible clicks or > pops into the recording. > > When I import the raw .WAV-format file into Itunes, it contains none of > those clicks. > > Am I doing something wrong? Seems like the conversion process should not be > introducing noise. I would ultimately like to have .MP3 files on the > website. > > Regards, > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > Article: 323514 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: ableradio@imax.net Subject: Re: Cleaning Airplane Fabric of 6G601 Message-ID: <4tv8k1prfddlatbasaenavfeftg78e4ntf@4ax.com> References: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:37:43 GMT On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 03:36:39 GMT, "Diane" wrote: >What do you use to clean up the tan/brown linen-like fabric of a Clipper >Universal 6G601? Other than dirt and beach stains they are in great shape. >Also what treatment for dry leather handles? Thanks, > >Phil (not Diane) > I have used Murphy's Oil Soap with sucess. Makes the fabric shiny again as well. Article: 323515 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <6sR0f.48$k77.28@tornado.socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Message-ID: <7U%0f.1751$lb7.19252@news1.mts.net> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:29:21 -0700 "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:6sR0f.48$k77.28@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > John Stone wrote: > > > Phil B wrote: > > > > > >>To me, the technical elegance of electrostatic speakers is that there is no > >>mass involved with the transducer. > > > > Yes, there is something big missing from your thinking. Where did you get > > the idea that electrostatics have no moving mass? What do you think moves > > the air? You've got a large moving surface of metalized film > > Popular Electronics, I believe, had a cover article on a flame > speaker. Now that would qualify as a massless speaker. > > (Does anyone have that issue floating around that they could > scan and post? I'd sure like to re-read it again.) > > Jeff > Jeff, I remember something about that 'way back when. Quick Google on "flame speaker" gave this as the second hit: http://www.4x4pride.org/Flame/Docs/FlameAmp/FlameAmp.html Cheers, Nelson Article: 323516 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Virtual Vintag Radios Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:35:55 -0600 Message-ID: References: <3qi4r7FerpkkU1@individual.net> "Radio Rambler" wrote in message news:3qi4r7FerpkkU1@individual.net... > Phil B wrote: > >> There is a growing base of free GNU open source software >> available for controlling them. I think all of it currently runs on LINUX >> :-( >> > Whats wrong with that? linux is far more superior to microsoft windows > anyway. and beta is far superior to vhs... randy Article: 323517 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <4531-434430D5-101@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: ZENITH CABINET Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:48:11 -0400 Hey there BILL! GREAT TO SEE YOU ONLINE AGAIN! Frank From kawninja.at.nospam.cableone.dot.net Fri Oct 7 11:48:40 EDT 2005 Article: 323518 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve P." Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:14:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <11k95l0bsau61ef@corp.supernews.com> References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.218.7.141!news.glorb.com!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-11!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:323518 Can't really think of any other radio station that's did so much for the US over the last 80 years as WSM has... here's hoping they enjoy another 80. Steve P. "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net... > WSM is 80 years as of 8:00 PM, Nashville time, today. They are playing > a lot of cuts from old Opry shows to celebrate. > Central Florida Article: 323519 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: AK-60 -- still more questions From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <5694-433F603A-422@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> <6wQ%e.6114$oc.14@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:31:47 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >John, >seems to me the Indiana club should just have their spring swap at your >house. The last few IHRC (or IHRS?) swaps I heard were pretty puny. >havent been to one of those in a dozen years. > >Mark Oppat > Would be OK with me.... Greenfield is this Saturday.... Jean and Linda are going down for that one... Kokomo wasn't too bad.... but nothing like Lansing... John k9uwa Article: 323520 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:33:47 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> <11k95l0bsau61ef@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <1ea76$43449b1d$4232bd1f$8044@COQUI.NET> Steve P. wrote: > Can't really think of any other radio station that's did so much for the US > over the last 80 years as WSM has... here's hoping they enjoy another 80. > > Steve P. One piece of Charlotte 'lore' is that they (WBT) were offered the format of live local hillbilly talent (and thats what it was back then) and they passed on it and the promoters wound up sucking in WSM in Nashville for their schtick. WBT actually originated some of the first "Grand Old Opry" shows. I have no idea as to the veracity of this but its the Charlotte version of why they aren't Nashville. -Bill Article: 323521 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: Interesting article on the intended use of the phonograph Message-ID: <%s11f.7793$2F2.802673@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:10:31 -0400 "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:KBU0f.348$i%.243@fed1read07... > Hmmm Edison had something entirely different in mind > > http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/gitelman.html > > -- > CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! Maybe I was too tired to read it by I sure found it dry. When was the last time you used the word "elision" in a sentence? Never? Joint the club. Back to join the Great Unwashed. Frank Article: 323522 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Cleaning Airplane Fabric of 6G601 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:17:18 -0600 Message-ID: References: for fabric, its best to use a gentle clenser with low sudsing. one of the best ive found is liquid neutrogena in the cosmetics department. that said, i use murphys oil soap on tons of stuff and its never caused a problem yet... for dry leather i would use leather oil/conditioner/cleaner. get it at any shoe or saddle shop. randy "Diane" wrote in message news:bTH0f.91326$32.1556@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > What do you use to clean up the tan/brown linen-like fabric of a Clipper > Universal 6G601? Other than dirt and beach stains they are in great > shape. Also what treatment for dry leather handles? Thanks, > > Phil (not Diane) > Article: 323523 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? From: Larry References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:33:47 -0400 John Stone wrote in news:BF694A56.278F5%jmsent2@comcast.net: > moving mass? Speaking of moving mass, have you guys got any of those wall or windows drivers that screw into a wallboard or suction cup to a window to turn the whole thing into a speaker cone? I've got a couple around here, somewhere in the black hole. They work quite well if the wall doesn't buzz in vibration. We used to pipe music out of the music store into the outside parking lot with two of them stuck to suction cups on the two outer plate glass windows. With that big a diaphram, you could hear them way on the other side of a 1000 car parking lot, but at that volume everyone in the store bitched a fit....er, ah....being inside the big enclosure (c; -- Larry Article: 323524 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM From: Larry References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> <11k95l0bsau61ef@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:35:50 -0400 "Steve P." wrote in news:11k95l0bsau61ef@corp.supernews.com: > Can't really think of any other radio station that's did so much for > the US over the last 80 years as WSM has... here's hoping they enjoy > another 80. > > Roy Acuff would be very proud.....(c; Happy Birthday WSM! Great signal in Charleston, SC! Another Harris DX-50? -- Larry Article: 323525 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Interesting article on the intended use of the phonograph From: Larry References: <6q6dnfQyS-QXtNneRVn-oA@giganews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:37:10 -0400 "Phil Nelson" wrote in news:6q6dnfQyS-QXtNneRVn-oA@giganews.com: > I read somewhere that he thought another important use would be to > record the dying declarations of people. > > Phil Nelson > > Edison would sell anything for any purpose if it would make him money..... -- Larry Article: 323526 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:51:46 GMT In article <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net says... > > >WSM is 80 years as of 8:00 PM, Nashville time, today. They are playing >a lot of cuts from old Opry shows to celebrate. >-- >? > >Michael A. Terrell >Central Florida Some Nice Stuff on WSM tonite!... John k9uwa Article: 323527 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? From: Larry References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:52:42 -0400 "Phil Nelson" wrote in news:6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com: > Am I doing something wrong? Seems like the conversion process should > not be introducing noise. I would ultimately like to have .MP3 files > on the website. > Is the pop in the middle of the file or on the very end? Sounds like a codec error. What MP3 codec are you using? I use the LAME MP3 codec, here. It's freeware: http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Lame_Encoder.htm Being supported by hundreds of code writers around the globe makes it great. If you're already using it, maybe you need a new version. Why all the conversions? That may be the source of many problems. I know nothing of proprietary I-tunes. I convert audio data or analog audio straight into MP3 ready for playing with Total Recorder from: http://www.highcriteria.com/ Sounds like you need the Professional version 5.2, not the simple standard. Pro version has an editor and all. The sound is great using the LAME DLL codec. AS it sits ripping anything sent to or from your soundcard, there's no way of blocking it from any source, a sort of proxy engine. I record lots of radio shows, especially from BBC, straight into MP3 format for play on my 100GB Digital Mind Xclef multimedia recorder/player. It will record both in realtime mode and in digital mode making it much faster. Check it out. Pro model is only $35 with lifetime upgrades. I also promote using a Russian program called MP3 Catalog Pro as a great MP3 database of your entire collection. Even on an old Win98SE system, it's lightning fast. It's webpage is http://www.wizetech.com/ Best MP3 database there is. It'll search 300K files for any string in any field of the ID3 tags in about 10 seconds! -- Larry Article: 323528 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Diane" References: Subject: Re: Cleaning Airplane Fabric of 6G601 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:53:59 GMT Thanks for the suggestions. Cloudy and cold here in MN so I think I'll dry it near the fireplace. -Phil "xrongor" wrote in message news:di28gc$9tdp$1@news3.infoave.net... > for fabric, its best to use a gentle clenser with low sudsing. one of the > best ive found is liquid neutrogena in the cosmetics department. that > said, i use murphys oil soap on tons of stuff and its never caused a > problem yet... > > for dry leather i would use leather oil/conditioner/cleaner. get it at > any shoe or saddle shop. > > randy > > "Diane" wrote in message > news:bTH0f.91326$32.1556@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> What do you use to clean up the tan/brown linen-like fabric of a Clipper >> Universal 6G601? Other than dirt and beach stains they are in great >> shape. Also what treatment for dry leather handles? Thanks, >> >> Phil (not Diane) >> > > Article: 323529 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:40:33 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Interesting article on the intended use of the phonograph References: <%s11f.7793$2F2.802673@news20.bellglobal.com> Message-ID: <56ee3$4344b8d3$4232bd1f$15949@COQUI.NET> Buck Frobisher wrote: > Maybe I was too tired to read it by I sure found it dry. When was the last > time you used the word "elision" in a sentence? Never? Joint the club. > > Back to join the Great Unwashed. > > Frank e·li·sion Listen: [ -lzhn ] n. 1. a. Omission of a final or initial sound in pronunciation. b. Omission of an unstressed vowel or syllable, as in scanning a verse. 2. The act or an instance of omitting something. **** I think #2 is sufficient enough fodder to foment an equivalent reactionary post. :) Hey, its Usenet. However, the joint/join thing you have introduced implies some Freudian impulse of your own character but we'll let that slide since we are in agreement that the use of "elision" connotes pompousness whereas we all know what a "joint" is. Is that what you were inferring with your misspelling? -Bill Article: 323530 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: m_bunis@conknet.com (Marty Bunis) Subject: VINTAGE RADIO SWAP MEET, NASHUA, NH Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:36:47 GMT Message-ID: <4344ee6c_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Just one more post for the New England Antique Radio Club's vintage radio swap meet this Saturday in Nashua, NH. It's going to be another great show...all tables have been sold out and we expect a record crowd for this inside event. Hope to see you there! The New England Antique Radio Club will hold its Fall Radio Swap Meet Saturday October 8, 2005 at Saint Stan’s Hall, Pine Hill Road, Nashua, NH. Participating will be club members from throughout New England, New York and New Jersey with over 100 tables of antique and collectible radios, TVs, parts, books, magazines, advertising and other related items for sale.The public is invited to attend and enjoy a day of radio fun and nostalgia. Show hours are 7am to 12 noon. Admission during exhibitor set-up from 7am -8am is $15; early admission from 8am-9am is $5 and general admission after 9am is $2. To reach St. Stan’s Hall take Rt. 3 (Everett Turnpike) to exit 6 (Rt. 130 east). Follow Rt. 130 east for a very short distance. Take a left at the light just after the Merrimack County Savings Bank. You will now be on Blue Hill Ave. which crosses over the highway and becomes Pine Hill Road. St. Stan’s Hall will be on the right. Watch for the NEARC signs. For more information about the meet, contact meet chairman Marty Bunis by phone (603) 938-5051 or email (m_bunis@conknet.com). Visit the NEARC website at www.nearc.net Article: 323531 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <6sR0f.48$k77.28@tornado.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:35:16 -0500 Phil B wrote: > Very interesting. You would measure efficiency in tanks of gas per hour > instead of kwh. > > I have often spent quiet hours trying to visualize an "air microphone". > Wouldn't it be great if a microphone could be created that had a massless > element. Earthworks Audio has come very close... The QTC50 responds incredibly fast with *almost* no settling time (i.e. next to no mass). Take a look at these charts: http://earthworksaudio.com/6.html and they ain't hype - I've seen mic after mic *exceed* these specs going through final QA at the factory. Of course the fact that the elements are pre-screened before assembly keeps the number of failed completed units way down. Still when I first saw these charts - I balked (that was when I first started working on the web site, and I was getting the "stuff" like the charts to be included) - as I could hardly believe they weren't "fudged". Their national sales manager (who I've known for 20+ years) assured me they weren't --- so I went ahead and used them. When I was at the factory earlier this year - I made it a point to "see for myself"... Like I said - ain't hype. best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 323532 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Your Name Here" Subject: Happy Birthday R.A.R+P! Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:35:32 -0400 Message-ID: <11kadho51jg7rf3@corp.supernews.com> Depending upon whether you are starting from the time that the formation of group was first formally discussed, or from the date that it was chartered, R.A.R+P is either 11 or 12 years old. Discussions began on the USENET rec.antiques newsgroup in August of 1993, and the formal charter was issued in October of 1994. This was the first online group ever created for early radios and phonographs, appearing at just about the same time that W3C was refining the standards for HTML that made the Internet into Websites as we now know them. Everyone who has posted here is a part of history! Article: 323533 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rick" References: <1128318547.878068.307130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 1952 RCA TV Horz issue. Please email! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:42:24 GMT "Beech18dude" wrote in message news:1128318547.878068.307130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Hi! > > I have a RCA 21T227 21inch TV with a severe horizontal issue. Phil > Nelson wrote me and said that it is running at a different frequency, > but it is locking in sync. I think its running slow, not fast beacause > there seems to be half a picture. Please email me at phish6000@aol.com > and I can send you a picture of the screen. I can also scan a portion > of the schematic, if need be. > > Let me know which capacitors or resistors I need to check in the > horizontal oscillator section. > > Thank you for your help! > Matt Davala > >From my old "Television Servicing" by Levy and Frankel, it looks like foldover. From the text, the bright vertical section is caused when the beam is slowed down during that section of the trace. If the bright vertical line is on the left side, check the damper circuit (tube and caps around the linearity coil). If it's on the right side check the wave shape at the grid of the horizontal output tube with the tube in. If that is incorrect, check the components of the waveshaping circuit. If the waveshape is corrected by removal of the tube, check supply voltages to the output tube and components in the AFC feedback circuits. Hope this helps some... Article: 323534 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ZENITH CABINET From: Ron Ramirez References: <4531-434430D5-101@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:44:51 GMT Welcome back, Bill, great to see you online again! -- Ron Ramirez - Evansville, Indiana Visit PhilcoRadio.com at http://www.philcoradio.com/ and the new Philco Phorum at http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php Article: 323535 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rick" References: <1128318547.878068.307130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 1952 RCA TV Horz issue. Please email! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:03:57 GMT "Rick" wrote in message news:kJa1f.10951$q1.9081@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > "Beech18dude" wrote in message > news:1128318547.878068.307130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Hi! > > > > I have a RCA 21T227 21inch TV with a severe horizontal issue. Phil > > Nelson wrote me and said that it is running at a different > frequency, > > but it is locking in sync. I think its running slow, not fast > beacause > > there seems to be half a picture. Please email me at > phish6000@aol.com > > and I can send you a picture of the screen. I can also scan a > portion > > of the schematic, if need be. > > > > Let me know which capacitors or resistors I need to check in the > > horizontal oscillator section. > > > > Thank you for your help! > > Matt Davala > > > > From my old "Television Servicing" by Levy and Frankel, it looks like > foldover. From the text, the bright vertical section is caused when > the beam is slowed down during that section of the trace. If the > bright vertical line is on the left side, check the damper circuit > (tube and caps around the linearity coil). If it's on the right side > check the wave shape at the grid of the horizontal output tube with > the tube in. If that is incorrect, check the components of the > waveshaping circuit. If the waveshape is corrected by removal of the > tube, check supply voltages to the output tube and components in the > AFC feedback circuits. > > Hope this helps some... Could also be excessive horizontal drive. Guess the best choice is to check all the resistors and caps in the horizontal section... Article: 323536 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <6sR0f.48$k77.28@tornado.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:04:08 GMT no one wrote: > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote > >>Popular Electronics, I believe, had a cover article on a flame >>speaker. > > How about the May 1968 issue on pages 47 to 53. > I happen to have a copy here. Thanks Michael, that's exactly the one I was thinking of. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323537 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: ZENITH CABINET References: <4531-434430D5-101@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:12:53 GMT Bill Turner wrote: > HOW MUCH IS IT? ITS BEAUTIFUL ! As usual, what are you talking about? Welcome back Bill. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323538 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <6sR0f.48$k77.28@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1128611278.517045.202490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:17:28 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > I do notice with some interest that there is a diaphram, and a > voice-coil and all that good stuff. Just no major cone mass. That was the "first pass" test. The second one was just two electrodes introduced into the flame path. Although, I can see as how the diaphragm method would be easier to implement in your home fireplace. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323539 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "C. James Strutz" Subject: speaker reconing Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:13:42 -0400 Message-ID: <11kamu1mmquj950@news.supernews.com> Looks like the guy in Ohio who reconed speakers for me is out of business. Any recommendations for somebody else?? Thanks... Article: 323540 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <6sR0f.48$k77.28@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1128611278.517045.202490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128615124.489287.267120@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:16:39 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > Complete with crackles... Think of it as the charm added... For example, the noise >from an old 78 record. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323541 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Swap meets, big and small Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:47:16 GMT Lately I've been seeing posts for swap meets in various places. As I've mentioned we're trying to build our tirannual meet in Sarasota in December, which has previously been rather small. I hear about places like Lansing and Kutztown, but have never been to these. I'm very curious -- those of you who are hosting radio swap meets, where are they and how large is the turnout? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 323542 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4345668E.FDE2E690@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:00:21 GMT "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote: > > In article <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net > says... > > > > > >WSM is 80 years as of 8:00 PM, Nashville time, today. They are playing > >a lot of cuts from old Opry shows to celebrate. > >-- > >? > > > >Michael A. Terrell > >Central Florida > > Some Nice Stuff on WSM tonite!... > John k9uwa Its supposed to go one for several more days and nights. http:\\www.wsmonline.com and you need real player if you want to listen during daylight hours. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 323543 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: Swap meets, big and small Date: 6 Oct 2005 18:05:21 GMT Message-ID: References: "Gary Tayman" (gtayman@gate.net) writes: > Lately I've been seeing posts for swap meets in various places. As I've > mentioned we're trying to build our tirannual meet in Sarasota in December, > which has previously been rather small. I hear about places like Lansing > and Kutztown, but have never been to these. > > I'm very curious -- those of you who are hosting radio swap meets, where are > they and how large is the turnout? > I don't pay attention, because none of them are local to me. BUt my impression was that at least some of the announcements were by simply interested third parties. This has sort of come up before, but with any specialized event it is really important to get it out in view of a wider audience. It's way too easy to decide that nobody else will be interested, so it's only promoted within an inner circle. The result is that it's really hard for anyone to find their way in. I've noticed this with hamfests. There have been years when I hadn't a clue when the local hamfests were, because I was simply out of the loop. Even when I have a good idea when they are (so I can track down the information), the information is rarely out in the world. But if they want growth, they need to be reaching a wider audience. Even if no growth, there are times when some specialized hobby needs the support of society at large (maybe not antique radios, though that is one place where "new" old radios can come from), and promotion on a regular basis is one way of being visible when the crunch comes. It is easy when there is something that can be of interest to others. There are other hobbyists who could find useful things at hamfests, and antique radios may be of interest to a more general population, even if they don't have any interest in collecting them. When there is an event, it is a chance to promote the hobby generally. It may not bring people to the event, it may not show any tangible results, but in the long run it's worth it. So it is important to be putting announcements in the local newspapers, and post to the local newsgroups. Those take little time or effort. Getting an article may be harder, because everyone is fighting for the same space, but that makes it even more visible. Michael Article: 323544 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Happy Birthday R.A.R+P! References: <11kadho51jg7rf3@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:07:14 -0500 Your Name Here wrote: > This was the first online group ever created for early radios and > phonographs, appearing at just about the same time that W3C was refining the > standards for HTML that made the Internet into Websites as we now know them. I guess that depends on one's definition of "online". I consider any remote communications between a client and a data server to be "online". As such- far before r.a.r+p -- was Compuserve's antique radio forum going back to (roughly) 1990 - and even it was a "child" as it were (consolidation might be more accurate) of GEnie's antique radio forum that dated back to something like 1988 or so. There were general electronics discussion groups way before that on several BBSs such as MABBS (Meridian Area Bulletin Board System run by Randy Corbin and "online" around 1983) which had a "sub-section" devoted to "vintage" electronics- and much discussion about such stuff. but then again as noted - just my .02 -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 323545 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43456DC0.EF7A06A3@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> <11k95l0bsau61ef@corp.supernews.com> <1ea76$43449b1d$4232bd1f$8044@COQUI.NET> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:31:03 GMT Bill wrote: > > Steve P. wrote: > > > Can't really think of any other radio station that's did so much for the US > > over the last 80 years as WSM has... here's hoping they enjoy another 80. > > > > Steve P. > > One piece of Charlotte 'lore' is that they (WBT) were offered the format > of live local hillbilly talent (and thats what it was back then) and > they passed on it and the promoters wound up sucking in WSM in Nashville > for their schtick. WBT actually originated some of the first "Grand Old > Opry" shows. > > I have no idea as to the veracity of this but its the Charlotte version > of why they aren't Nashville. > > -Bill A lot of stations had their own Barn Dance shows, but the term Grand ole Opry was coined by George D. Hay when he introduced their show: "You've been listening to grand opera. We now take you to the Grand Ole Opry." Most stations were mixed format in the early days of AM radio. WSM went all country music somewhere around 1969 http://www.wsmonline.com/page.asp?Page=52 is the first of three pages of WSM history. They had a lot more, before their website was redesigned. :( -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida From kawninja.at.nospam.cableone.dot.net Fri Oct 7 11:48:46 EDT 2005 Article: 323546 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve P." Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Swap meets, big and small Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:36:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <11karlkp242rhd9@corp.supernews.com> References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 32 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.218.7.141!news.glorb.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-11!sn-xit-05!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:323546 I ran two small antique radio swaps in the SW Missouri area back in the mid 90s and had a lot of fun. All I did was run a free ad in ARC for a few months, ran a small ad in the local "Thrifty Nickel" type paper the week before, and paid $30 for the hall rental. Wasn't hard at all. Probably had 50 collectors show up each time with about 20 or so selling. Didn't charge anything and no refreshments, but did accept contributions which always covered the bills. They were small meets, but successful and got lots of praises about them. Back then ARC was "the" place to make announcements and everyone saw them, but that just isn't the case today. Now you need several advertising avenues to make a swap meet successful. I also attend the Kansas City (MAARC) and Tulsa (HLARA) club meets now and then and both are very successful. The Kansas City club has 200+ members with most of them showing up at the auctions and very decent turnouts at their swaps. Their membership base is large enough to promote good meets even with little advertising. I think the Tulsa club is outstanding. Every June they hold one of the nicest, most well organized swaps I've ever seen. Attendance is usually under 100, but it's definitely worth driving a few hundred miles to attend. They also know how to advertise. If you want some good pointers about holding successful small swap meets, contact their officers at http://www.hlara.org/. Steve P. "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:Eqd1f.7707$oc.3132@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Lately I've been seeing posts for swap meets in various places. As I've > mentioned we're trying to build our tirannual meet in Sarasota in > December, which has previously been rather small. I hear about places > like Lansing and Kutztown, but have never been to these. Article: 323547 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM From: Larry References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> <11k95l0bsau61ef@corp.supernews.com> <1ea76$43449b1d$4232bd1f$8044@COQUI.NET> <43456DC0.EF7A06A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:52:56 -0400 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in news:43456DC0.EF7A06A3@earthlink.net: > A lot of stations had their own Barn Dance shows I've got some MP3 files of WLS barn dance shows from the 30's in Chicago. Having listened to WLS, the rock station, in my youth, I found it very funny...(c; Hee Haw isn't near as corny as these shows were! -- Larry Article: 323548 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Offshore pharmacies Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:54:18 -0600 Message-ID: References: rofl. leery of getting ripped off. lets say that there is a 50% chance of getting ripped off by an offshore pharmacy. there is 100% chance of getting ripped off at one in the US.... so you gained 50% right off the bat. randy > Has anyone on the list had any dealings with offshore > pharmacies? It seems that there are hundreds of them > but I'm leery of getting ripped off. Any suggestions > on good ones or those to avoid appreciated. > > 73, Roger > > -- > Remove tilde (~) to reply > > Remember the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) > http://ussliberty.org/ From kawninja.at.nospam.cableone.dot.net Fri Oct 7 11:48:47 EDT 2005 Article: 323549 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve P." Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Happy Birthday R.A.R+P! Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:56:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <11kasqi49dogge2@corp.supernews.com> References: <11kadho51jg7rf3@corp.supernews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-05!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:323549 I remember putting my vote in for the group back then. Used to get online via the college's VAX system and read messages on rec.antiques.marketplace and rec.radio.swap about forming an antique radio group. It had a ton of supporters and was a hit. Wasn't there a guy named Bill Robie(?) who was the main force behind putting this group together? I haven't seen his name mentioned in years unless he uses a different id. Steve P. "Your Name Here" wrote in message news:11kadho51jg7rf3@corp.supernews.com... > Depending upon whether you are starting from the time that the formation > of group was first formally discussed, or from the date that it was > chartered, R.A.R+P is either 11 or 12 years old. Article: 323550 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Mills" References: <11kadho51jg7rf3@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Happy Birthday R.A.R+P! Message-ID: <5Ke1f.36$qE6.31@bignews6.bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:18:19 -0400 I would guess that I am one of the newest readers on this group. I have been collecting and repairing antique radio for the past 40 years, but continue to learn new ideas reading these posts and discussions. Tom > Depending upon whether you are starting from the time that the formation > of group was first formally discussed, or from the date that it was > chartered, R.A.R+P is either 11 or 12 years old. Discussions began on the > USENET rec.antiques newsgroup in August of 1993, and the formal charter > was issued in October of 1994. > > This was the first online group ever created for early radios and > phonographs, appearing at just about the same time that W3C was refining > the standards for HTML that made the Internet into Websites as we now know > them. > > Everyone who has posted here is a part of history! > Article: 323551 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Swap meets, big and small Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:43:12 GMT Regarding the hamfests, we have one in Palmetto -- on the same day as ours. There has been some controversy over the years as to why we have the swap meet on the same day as theirs. We've gone to them -- they don't appear interested in combining them. I've been concerned about competition. I was told that we have the meets on the same day, because people from out of town want to come and hit both. At the last meet, I interviewed several people, and surprisingly found that's indeed the case -- so it'll stay on that date, and I'll do what I can to grow it. Who knows, maybe one day they'll come to us. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Michael Black" wrote in message news:di3p11$t3p$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > > "Gary Tayman" (gtayman@gate.net) writes: >> Lately I've been seeing posts for swap meets in various places. As I've >> mentioned we're trying to build our tirannual meet in Sarasota in >> December, >> which has previously been rather small. I hear about places like Lansing >> and Kutztown, but have never been to these. >> >> I'm very curious -- those of you who are hosting radio swap meets, where >> are >> they and how large is the turnout? >> > I don't pay attention, because none of them are local to me. BUt my > impression was that at least some of the announcements were by simply > interested third parties. > > This has sort of come up before, but with any specialized event it > is really important to get it out in view of a wider audience. It's > way too easy to decide that nobody else will be interested, so it's > only promoted within an inner circle. > > The result is that it's really hard for anyone to find their way in. > > I've noticed this with hamfests. There have been years when I hadn't > a clue when the local hamfests were, because I was simply out of the loop. > Even when I have a good idea when they are (so I can track down > the information), the information is rarely out in the world. > > But if they want growth, they need to be reaching a wider audience. > Even if no growth, there are times when some specialized hobby needs > the support of society at large (maybe not antique radios, though that > is one place where "new" old radios can come from), and promotion on > a regular basis is one way of being visible when the crunch comes. > > It is easy when there is something that can be of interest to others. > There are other hobbyists who could find useful things at hamfests, > and antique radios may be of interest to a more general population, > even if they don't have any interest in collecting them. > > When there is an event, it is a chance to promote the hobby generally. > It may not bring people to the event, it may not show any tangible > results, > but in the long run it's worth it. > > So it is important to be putting announcements in the local newspapers, > and post to the local newsgroups. Those take little time or effort. > Getting > an article may be harder, because everyone is fighting for the same space, > but that makes it even more visible. > > Michael > Article: 323552 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Offshore pharmacies Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:06:22 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1128625583.686533.23190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> well i agree it isnt the pharmacy ripping you off. but you still get ripped off and i would bet, if it were possible to search out such things, that more americans are getting dyed baking soda from other americans than from so called 'evil foreign prescription drug sources' even if you look at it on a straight percentage of sales basis. somehow this whole thing smells of the 'razor blade in the apple' scare. should you investigate your drug source to base your decision? sure you should. its probably not wise to buy heart medication from the trunk of a car from a dirty smelly guy either. but i bet you havent investigated your american drug source very well either and are just hoping on good faith that you arent getting burned... why? because the media says american drugs good. foreign drugs bad. over, and over, and over, and over, and over. its just another campaign of propaganda and fear designed to keep the rich people in this country rich. randy "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1128625583.686533.23190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Yikes.... > > It ain't the pharmacy ripping you off. What with the competition in > that field, the mark-up on prescription drugs is vanishingly small. > Most large chain pharmacies (CVS, Walgreens, Eckerd, Rite-Aid et. al.) > operate their pharmacy in hopes of impulse sales of actual profitable > items. > > Now, the politics and realities of how drugs are developed and sold in > this country is an entirely different matter. I am not so sure if the > monetary rip-off (if true) is or should be the basis for any such > decision in any case... Gee whiz!! I saved $100 on this prescription. > That I got dyed baking soda instead of my blood-pressure medicine... > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 323553 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Murrell" References: Subject: Re: Swap meets, big and small Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:06:38 GMT Michigan Antique Radio Club has had its winter meet in tandem with the Livonia Amateur Radio Club for the past few years, ours on Saturday, theirs on Sunday. It was at the same place, so vendors could set up for both meets. The hams are the most inflexible, stubborn group I've ever dealt with. They would try NOTHING new, even though they acknowledged that their meet was dying. They finally split with us because they couldn't have the combined meet on the third Sunday in February. I think they were afraid everybody would show up on the third Sunday without consulting a schedule and get mad because they would find a Mahjong tournament or something instead of a meet. This year our meet will be the first Saturday in February. If they approach you (which I doubt), back away slowly, and then RUN. "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:k7f1f.4019$4h2.608@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Regarding the hamfests, we have one in Palmetto -- on the same day as > ours. > > There has been some controversy over the years as to why we have the swap > meet on the same day as theirs. We've gone to them -- they don't appear > interested in combining them. I've been concerned about competition. I > was told that we have the meets on the same day, because people from out > of town want to come and hit both. At the last meet, I interviewed > several people, and surprisingly found that's indeed the case -- so it'll > stay on that date, and I'll do what I can to grow it. Who knows, maybe > one day they'll come to us. > > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > > "Michael Black" wrote in message > news:di3p11$t3p$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... >> >> "Gary Tayman" (gtayman@gate.net) writes: >>> Lately I've been seeing posts for swap meets in various places. As I've >>> mentioned we're trying to build our tirannual meet in Sarasota in >>> December, >>> which has previously been rather small. I hear about places like >>> Lansing >>> and Kutztown, but have never been to these. >>> >>> I'm very curious -- those of you who are hosting radio swap meets, where >>> are >>> they and how large is the turnout? >>> >> I don't pay attention, because none of them are local to me. BUt my >> impression was that at least some of the announcements were by simply >> interested third parties. >> >> This has sort of come up before, but with any specialized event it >> is really important to get it out in view of a wider audience. It's >> way too easy to decide that nobody else will be interested, so it's >> only promoted within an inner circle. >> >> The result is that it's really hard for anyone to find their way in. >> >> I've noticed this with hamfests. There have been years when I hadn't >> a clue when the local hamfests were, because I was simply out of the >> loop. >> Even when I have a good idea when they are (so I can track down >> the information), the information is rarely out in the world. >> >> But if they want growth, they need to be reaching a wider audience. >> Even if no growth, there are times when some specialized hobby needs >> the support of society at large (maybe not antique radios, though that >> is one place where "new" old radios can come from), and promotion on >> a regular basis is one way of being visible when the crunch comes. >> >> It is easy when there is something that can be of interest to others. >> There are other hobbyists who could find useful things at hamfests, >> and antique radios may be of interest to a more general population, >> even if they don't have any interest in collecting them. >> >> When there is an event, it is a chance to promote the hobby generally. >> It may not bring people to the event, it may not show any tangible >> results, >> but in the long run it's worth it. >> >> So it is important to be putting announcements in the local newspapers, >> and post to the local newsgroups. Those take little time or effort. >> Getting >> an article may be harder, because everyone is fighting for the same >> space, >> but that makes it even more visible. >> >> Michael >> > > Article: 323554 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1128623473.029888.23240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Swap meets, big and small Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:07:10 GMT Peter, I like your comments, and printed out the page. As to where we are with this, numbers 2, 4, 8, and 9 are pretty well covered. It is always held on a Saturday; we're fairly good with the hours unless it is so poorly attended that it edns early (the summer one does this at times). There is generally a radio auctioned off at each show -- in fact this is now the subject of an in-house joke. Last year, when we had a meet during hurricane Charley, I made a bid of $5 for a nice wood Silvertone farm radio and won -- the others still haven't gotten over it! The meet is held at the Knights of Columbus hall, which is a very nice facility for the purpose. Clean building, and you can't beat it for unloading vans -- there is a covered driveway at the front door, and there are several roll-carts available for hauling items in and out. The only problem we have is a line of vans waiting their turn! However you can park in the lot and unload -- it's only a few more steps. As for the others: we've kicked around the idea of combining this show with other things, but have not done it so far. We believe if we can pick up the business, there will be no need to do this. Presently there is a $5 admission charge, and $5 per table. If this next show does well, we may have a windfall -- which we generally give back in some way. I personally would like to see the tables cover the costs, and admission can indeed be free. You also mentioned food -- there is coffee and drinks, and for awhile in the past we were able to provide lunch for everyone for free. As it is, there are three restaurants and an ice cream shop in the strip mall next door. But again -- if it grows, even a little, we can do a lot more. PUBLICIZE . . . Yes! That's where I believe we've been lacking, and that's what I'm trying hard to rectify. I've already signed up four new dealers -- two of them are the local parts stores, one speaker reconing shop who is also a collector, and the owner of a huge record store in St. Pete who loves to collect radios. None of them knew this meet existed! I want to get some details approved, then starting in a couple weeks I plan to visit antique dealers all over the place, pass out flyers, and indeed get word to two local newspapers. Bottom line -- thanks for the info, and we're working on it. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1128623473.029888.23240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Gary: > > I will not answer your question directly, but I will give you some > effective suggestions to make your swap-meet bigger, happier and more > appealing to the general public rather than just to the already > indoctrinated. Any one or several may be helpful to you. > > 1. Hold it in a mixed venue... that is, try to attach it to an already > established destination, but where there is some overlap in mutual > interest. So, if there is an established flea-market or farmers' market > in the area with appropriate space attached, try to use that space. You > will then already have all the 'other' things you need such as parking, > a ready audience and 'know where' when it comes to giving directions. > This also gives a place for the non-radio members of a family to go > whilst the radio-head gets his/her fix. > > 2. Hold it on a Saturday as the primary day. NOT during the week, NOT > of a Sunday-morning-only. It is OK for it to be a two (even three) day > affair as long as SATURDAY is the BIG DAY. Those who still work and > those who go to church are excluded from other times. > > 3. DO NOT CHARGE ADMISSION. Charging sellers is OK. But not Buyers. It > is also OK to hold a pre-opening special admission charge. But that had > better be 100% controlled and fairly or the public will kick. > > 4. If hours-of-operation are given, HOLD TO THOSE HOURS.... there is > nothing more discouraging to the general public than coming to an event > an hour or two hour before the scheduled end to find that most everyone > has already left. This may be difficult to manage without prior > agreement with the vendors, but it can be done. > > 5. PUBLICIZE... in every way possible. Press releases to every news > outlet serving the entire catchment area to the chosen venue. The NG, > ARC, wherever and everywhere. Try to get a local radio station to do a > remote from the event. Some do. If one does, you can also count on them > helping with the publicity. > > 7. If possible, have a couple of things going on apart from strict > sales-only. We had a Clinic at Kutztown, an auction to benefit > Katrina/Rita victims (raised a bunch of $$), the club sold caps and > tubes, did outreach for membership, T-Shirts, advice, announcements and > the like. > > 8. Have a raffle open to the public of some nice radio (small AA5 in > pristine & fully restored operational condition is perfect). This is > usually done at Kutztown, but this last meet it was held back in > deference to the special auction. > > 9. Really Obvious Stuff: Avoid venues with steps, narrow doors, no or > poor restroom facilities, no or poor food, that are dark, smelly or > distant from parking, that cannot stand rain... you get the picture. > > In other words, don't be a one-note show that winds up being the > functional equivalent of a meet dedicated to the various varieties and > qualities of dental-floss to be attended only by dental hygienicists. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 323555 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: VINTAGE RADIO SWAP MEET, NASHUA, NH References: <4344ee6c_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:24:42 GMT Since all the tables are sold are trunk or tailgate sales allowed in the parking lot? Marty Bunis wrote: > Just one more post for the New England Antique Radio Club's vintage > radio swap meet this Saturday in Nashua, NH. It's going to be another > great show...all tables have been sold out and we expect a record > crowd for this inside event. Hope to see you there! > > The New England Antique Radio Club will hold its Fall Radio Swap Meet > Saturday October 8, 2005 at Saint Stan’s Hall, Pine Hill Road, Nashua, > NH. > Participating will be club members from throughout New England, New > York and New Jersey with over 100 tables of antique and collectible > radios, TVs, parts, books, magazines, advertising and other related > items for sale.The public is invited to attend and enjoy a day of > radio fun and nostalgia. > Show hours are 7am to 12 noon. Admission during exhibitor set-up from > 7am -8am is $15; early admission from 8am-9am is $5 and general > admission after 9am is $2. > To reach St. Stan’s Hall take Rt. 3 (Everett Turnpike) to exit 6 (Rt. > 130 east). Follow Rt. 130 east for a very short distance. Take a left > at the light just after the Merrimack County Savings Bank. You will > now be on Blue Hill Ave. which crosses over the highway and becomes > Pine Hill Road. St. Stan’s Hall will be on the right. Watch for the > NEARC signs. > For more information about the meet, contact meet chairman Marty Bunis > by phone (603) 938-5051 or email (m_bunis@conknet.com). Visit the > NEARC website at www.nearc.net > > > > Article: 323556 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <434589C3.9020202@worldnet.att.net> From: Al Schapira Subject: FS: RCA controls (pots), NOS/NIB Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:27:24 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050101080102000600080700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For sale: One lot of RCA controls (pots), NOS/NIB. They are carbon comp pots, many ganged, many tapped, some with switches, a few parts are just the switches that go in the back of pots. Standard chassis mount bushings, 1/4" shafts. There are multiples of some types. There are about 40 controls in all. All are individually boxed (see picture RCA1.jpg), except for four (see RCA2.jpg). The other pictures give you some idea of what's there. A list containing the RCA part numbers and descriptions is attached. Pictures at: http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA1.jpg http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA2.jpg http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA3.jpg http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA4.jpg http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA5.jpg http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA6.jpg http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA7.jpg I would like $25 for the lot and I'll pay shipping to any US address. Thanks for looking. -- -Al Schapira, KC2HRH, a.d.schapira@worldnet.att.net --------------050101080102000600080700 Content-Type: text/plain; name="RCAparts.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RCAparts.txt" QTY RCA # Description 1 73662 1.5M tapped w/switch 1 104292 3k/1M w/switch 1 113988 250k .25W 3 115785 1M 1 114973 1M 6 115783 750 1 100866 1.5M .25W 2 111134 5k 1 109301 30k 1 113155 30k .5W 4 115781 250k 1 110116 .5M/.5M 1 76301 Switch, lever snap, 3A, 125V 5 115780 1200 Ohm 1 105210 .5M .25W 1 112934 1M .25W 1 113683 750 Ohm .5W 2 111357 balance w/switch 1 105200 2.5M/5.0M 1 106332 2M/.2M 1 113161 200k .25W 1 107300 2.5M/1M 1 102157 500 Ohm .5W --------------050101080102000600080700-- Article: 323557 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Scott W. Harvey Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? Date: 6 Oct 2005 13:31:26 -0700 Message-ID: References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> It appears that SoundEdit is introducing some sort of artifacting into your MP3s. You probably just need to save to a WAV file after editing and then use WAV>MP3 utility that behaves better: http://besweet.notrace.dk/ Probably the most versatile audio converter out there. It is normally command-line, but there is a GUI available for it as well. And, it is FREE. I can vouch that it works well.....I have been using it for over a year. -Scott In article <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com>, Phil Nelson says... > >Maybe one of you MP3 junkies knows the answer to this. > >Perhaps this is a foolish project, but I thought it might be interesting to >provide audio clips of various radios and include them on my website. "Hear >a Radiola III." "Listen to the Philco 90." and so on. > >Here is the process I'm using. > >1. Record radio using Fostex MR-8 digital recorder. >2. Import resulting .WAV file into SoundEdit Pro (to trim the audio clip, >whatever). >3. Save in .MP3 format. >4. Import .MP3 file into Itunes (so I can arrange clips in different order, >etc.) >5. Burn a test CD so I can hear the final quality on something other than >cheap computer speakers. > >Here's my question. > >It seems as if converting to .MP3 format introduces some audible clicks or >pops into the recording. > >When I import the raw .WAV-format file into Itunes, it contains none of >those clicks. > >Am I doing something wrong? Seems like the conversion process should not be >introducing noise. I would ultimately like to have .MP3 files on the >website. > >Regards, > >Phil Nelson >Phil's Old Radios >http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > From adouglasatgis.net Fri Oct 7 11:48:48 EDT 2005 Article: 323558 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Swap meets, big and small Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:58:04 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <1128623473.029888.23240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-449.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.glorb.com!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:323558 Hi, >I'm very curious -- those of you who are hosting radio swap meets, where are >they and how large is the turnout? Currently at a large motel, and turnout is around 700, but it started much smaller. This is the GBARC (Greater Boston Antique Radio Collectors, though there is no such organization) meet held in February of each year. Maybe 25 years ago one of the local collectors thought it would be something to do in the middle of winter. The first one was held in a parking lot at the Plymouth airport, with fewer than ten present, but I remember it since I bought a Radiola VI there. The second was at a church, and subsequently for many years we met at a private school where one of the local collectors taught French. That being available only on Sundays, we settled on that day, and it has worked out fine. I can assure you that you will not be struck down by lightning if you skip a week. Eventually the meet outgrew the school venue, and also the ability of a few people to run it on an informal basis. Anyone could hold a meet if he wanted: borrow the mailing list, pick a time and place, send out some flyers and trust that the gate receipts paid for the postage (they always did). Luckily Antique Radio Classified finally assumed the role of organizer. So one of my suggestions is "be careful what you wish for." It's held indoors, and table holders are only allowed to bring in and pile their stuff at the tables, not to set up. Everyone goes in the room at 8AM. It runs until noon, and if you aren't still at your table at quarter of twelve, you can't reserve that spot next year (unless you've totally sold out, as I did once). The boutique dealers will complain about setup time, of course, but they don't actually sell anything; they're only there to display their collections of overrestored cathedrals. Ignore them. I'd also suggest making sure you can accommodate any latecomers and those who decided on the spur of the moment to bring some stuff to sell. Nothing brings in buyers like the chance of a good find. A minimum of rules is good. And arranging the venue to avoid violations is much friendlier than a staff of Gestapo agents running around. In other words, don't make rules you can't easily enforce. Alan Article: 323559 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: VINTAGE RADIO SWAP MEET, NASHUA, NH Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:28:11 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4344ee6c_1@newspeer2.tds.net> On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:24:42 GMT, Lou deGonzague wrote: >Since all the tables are sold are trunk or tailgate sales allowed in the >parking lot? > I do not know if they are allowed but they happen every time. Prepare for rain this time. John Article: 323560 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Virtual Vintag Radios Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1128560909.512430.187320@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1128560909.512430.187320@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "philsvintageradios" writes: >I think the next thing to come will be something along the lines of a >box, where you can send it a program and make 3 dimensional objects. >imagine downloading a program for a pocket knife or a new can opener,, >then opening the program and custom tayloring it to your own needs, you >submit the file to the "magic box" then open the door ,, and "poof" >there it is ready to be used.. Fabbers. >we can do similar things now with photopolymers,, how long will it take >for this to become a little more practical? maybe a molding proceess >could be involved, something like that. Have you read Neil Stephenson's (of "Snowcrash" fame) "Diamond Age"? Interesting sc-fi yarn about some societal aspects of a civilization where molecular assembly is commonplace. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 323561 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Mozeleski" References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:41:50 GMT This is a older program but works fine to convert music to mp3's. http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:di41iu024dk@drn.newsguy.com... > It appears that SoundEdit is introducing some sort of artifacting into your > MP3s. You probably just need to save to a WAV file after editing and then use > WAV>MP3 utility that behaves better: > > http://besweet.notrace.dk/ > > Probably the most versatile audio converter out there. It is normally > command-line, but there is a GUI available for it as well. And, it is FREE. I > can vouch that it works well.....I have been using it for over a year. > Article: 323562 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> In Larry writes: >Speaking of moving mass, have you guys got any of those wall or windows >drivers that screw into a wallboard or suction cup to a window to turn the >whole thing into a speaker cone? I've got a couple around here, somewhere >in the black hole. They work quite well if the wall doesn't buzz in >vibration. We used to pipe music out of the music store into the outside >parking lot with two of them stuck to suction cups on the two outer plate >glass windows. With that big a diaphram, you could hear them way on the >other side of a 1000 car parking lot, but at that volume everyone in the >store bitched a fit....er, ah....being inside the big enclosure (c; Those are popular here in the City. They roll around on four wheels and have their own power source. Don't even have to screw them to the wall. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 323563 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128111521.103662.260350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1128186648.617612.148860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128431617.163478.207620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <6sR0f.48$k77.28@tornado.socal.rr.com> In "Phil B" writes: >I have often spent quiet hours trying to visualize an "air microphone". >Wouldn't it be great if a microphone could be created that had a massless >element. My simple-minded concept involves an ionized space between two >plates. Impinging audio air pressure changes would modulate the current >between the plates. Has anyone done anything like this? I also wonder now if >a "flame microphone" is possible too. In college a friend came up with the idea of a laser split into two parallel beams: one travels through a solid glass or plastic rod, the other through the air. Pressure differences would vary the delay of the air-space beam. Combine them in an interferometer and count the Michelson fringes. Not only would this be massless, but direct digital! No idea if this would actually work. I don't think he ever ran the numbers; it was just one of those things that came up in a drinking session. :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 323564 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "news.west" Subject: And now for something different Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:10:11 -0500 Take a look at the "Chassis" view of the radio here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Philco-Console-Multi-Band-Radio_W0QQitemZ6566463035QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem That's a unique way to mount a cap. Al Article: 323565 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4345A8A7.6060707@nycap.rr.com> From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: FS: RCA controls (pots), NOS/NIB References: <434589C3.9020202@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:40:05 GMT I'll take them if still available Al Schapira wrote: > For sale: > One lot of RCA controls (pots), NOS/NIB. They are carbon comp > pots, many ganged, many tapped, some with switches, > a few parts are just the switches that go in the back of pots. > Standard chassis mount bushings, 1/4" shafts. > There are multiples of some types. > > There are about 40 controls in all. All are individually boxed > (see picture RCA1.jpg), except for four (see RCA2.jpg). > The other pictures give you some idea of what's there. > A list containing the RCA part numbers and descriptions > is attached. > > Pictures at: > > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA1.jpg > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA2.jpg > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA3.jpg > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA4.jpg > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA5.jpg > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA6.jpg > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCA7.jpg > > I would like $25 for the lot and I'll pay shipping > to any US address. > > Thanks for looking. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > QTY RCA # Description > > 1 73662 1.5M tapped w/switch > 1 104292 3k/1M w/switch > 1 113988 250k .25W > 3 115785 1M > 1 114973 1M > 6 115783 750 > 1 100866 1.5M .25W > 2 111134 5k > 1 109301 30k > 1 113155 30k .5W > 4 115781 250k > 1 110116 .5M/.5M > 1 76301 Switch, lever snap, 3A, 125V > 5 115780 1200 Ohm > 1 105210 .5M .25W > 1 112934 1M .25W > 1 113683 750 Ohm .5W > 2 111357 balance w/switch > 1 105200 2.5M/5.0M > 1 106332 2M/.2M > 1 113161 200k .25W > 1 107300 2.5M/1M > 1 102157 500 Ohm .5W > Article: 323566 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1128384595.619721.212580@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Denver Area Antique Radio Club, Auction, Sunday Oct. 2nd at 1:00pm Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:13:57 GMT wrote in message news:1128384595.619721.212580@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I went to this auction. Not bad! I didn't win the bid on the 12 tube > Scott in original cabinet, but I did win the bid on a General. Turns > out the 6U5 eye tube is nice a bright! When has that happened? Nice > venue: shaded picnic area on a hot day, well run, good auctioneer, > great people. How good does it get? > Dave I traded a '36 Movie Dial needing restoration for a cherry "stationized" Packard Bell with California and Northwest calls, midget, Bakelite I gather, in brown with nice louvers and what's more the computer, monitor and TV don't bug it so I listen all the time! I also picked up some Altec Model Ones in fair-good shape (drivers and grilles EXC) and traded my first TT to an eBayer in Boise, who gave me an HK Two Thirty with a sickly channel but another tiny treat. Does that count? Nothing major but not bad for last Friday! Article: 323567 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Not my auction, but this would be a great addition to someone's bench! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:15:50 GMT "Brenda Ann" wrote in message news:dhqel8$e1a$1@news2.kornet.net... > > "philsvintageradios" wrote in message > news:dhb1k11mt50ei85lf0i9mndnbruecgv5s5@4ax.com... > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:03:39 GMT, "Jon" > > wrote: > > > > Kind of weird how the seller goes on and on about painting the kitchen > > cabinets. what does that have to do with anything? > > > > Phil > > You have to be familiar with the seller I guess. I've been following her > auctions for some time. > > The family is renovating an old house they bought, more or less starting > from the ground up. The stories about progress on the renovation are a way > for them to let the buyers familiarize themselves with them, sort of bring > you into the family. I rather like the idea. :) Looks like it was removed by eBay... Article: 323568 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Interesting article on the intended use of the phonograph Message-ID: <8ki1f.765$PA1.92319@monger.newsread.com> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:21:40 GMT "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:di186n$r54$1@reader1.panix.com... > In "Caveat Lector" writes: > > >Hmmm Edison had something entirely different in mind > > >http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/gitelman.html > > Interesting article. The author, unfortunately, fails to > acknowledge the role I play in disseminating the ideas put > forth by this article, instead perpetuating the false dichotomy > of writing and distribution being all that matters. :) :) :) > > -- > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- This sort of affair can ony lead to more explaining and less appreciation of Johnny Mathis...or Jimi Hendrix! Article: 323569 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <5CJYe.11277$0u2.2289350@news20.bellglobal.com> <08SdnR-YKbmOF67eRVn-qg@comcast.com> <1127465100.277836.96310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11j7hnege5jib72@corp.supernews.com> <11je1nkmmh9kc08@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: What's a Zizzer? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:23:13 GMT "effi" wrote in message news:11je1nkmmh9kc08@corp.supernews.com... > "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message > news:uSPYe.1644$wR4.309296@monger.newsread.com... > > No, and you should get it out right away. It's muriatic acid! > > > you don't sound like madge No. I'm an evil clone. > > > > "effi" wrote in message > > news:11j7hnege5jib72@corp.supernews.com... > >> "Steven" wrote in message > >> news:1127465100.277836.96310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> > Your hand is soaking in it right now. > >> > >> > >> Is it mild? > >> > >> > > > > > > Article: 323570 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4345B276.72D40D3C@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> <11k95l0bsau61ef@corp.supernews.com> <1ea76$43449b1d$4232bd1f$8044@COQUI.NET> <43456DC0.EF7A06A3@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:24:13 GMT Larry wrote: > > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in > news:43456DC0.EF7A06A3@earthlink.net: > > > A lot of stations had their own Barn Dance shows > > I've got some MP3 files of WLS barn dance shows from the 30's in Chicago. > Having listened to WLS, the rock station, in my youth, I found it very > funny...(c; > > Hee Haw isn't near as corny as these shows were! > > -- > Larry So, county music is corny? -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 323571 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4345B18E.3F569343@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Offshore pharmacies References: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:20:21 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > > Yikes.... > > It ain't the pharmacy ripping you off. What with the competition in > that field, the mark-up on prescription drugs is vanishingly small. > Most large chain pharmacies (CVS, Walgreens, Eckerd, Rite-Aid et. al.) > operate their pharmacy in hopes of impulse sales of actual profitable > items. There is no Eckerd's, CVS bought them last year. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 323572 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <8bKdnSnFztjG3t7enZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@rogers.com> Subject: Re: Wanted - stereo chip Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:25:45 GMT Do consider using it to nicely torture a nice pair of speakers while you repair that tube gear. It's a barrel of fun! "Engineer" wrote in message news:8bKdnSnFztjG3t7enZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@rogers.com... > "Engineer" wrote in message > news:Ho2dnaj7KY0tzt3eRVn-rg@rogers.com... > > "Engineer" wrote in message > > news:Q_2dnXdtSsat0aLeRVn-gw@rogers.com... > >> Hi, vacuumlanders, > >> A bit off topic, well... off the time line, but I need a stereo > >> decoder chip for a Sansui 5050. It's an HA1196, DIP16 package, > >> circa 1975 and used in a lot of FM tuners of that vintage. > > > > (snip) > > > Found it. Two NTE1484's on order, CAD$6.75 each from Electrosonic, > Canada. > Cheers, > Roger. > > Article: 323574 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: A bit rich! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:27:07 GMT Kudos on the ten spot! "Shawn K" wrote in message news:efF0f.87971$1i.42175@pd7tw2no... > Oooo.... I have this one.... an RCA Victor 10K1... can't wait to see > what it sells for, so I know what mine is worth :) But, the grill cloth > has been changed (purple??), and the brass is too shiney around the > dial. Anyway, I paid $10 for mine..... > > Shawn K > www.thisoldradio.com > > Engineer wrote: > > Hope springs eternal! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/Antique-upright-radio_W0QQitemZ6567027023QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > BTW, it's not mine! > > Cheers, > > Roger Article: 323575 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Saul Rabinowitz Subject: Re: speaker reconing References: <11kamu1mmquj950@news.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:44:54 GMT The Proctors wrote: > George Found from Grandpas Radio Shop in Kitchener, Ontario Canada did some > really nice work for me......haven't talked with him lately though...... > > > Deane > <>< > > > "C. James Strutz" wrote in message > news:11kamu1mmquj950@news.supernews.com... > >>Looks like the guy in Ohio who reconed speakers for me is out of business. >>Any recommendations for somebody else?? Thanks... >> 1. Madisound, Madison, Wisconsin. 2. A Brown Soun, San Rafael, California I can vouch for #2: excellent work. Saul Article: 323576 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Saul Rabinowitz Subject: Re: OT: Offshore pharmacies References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:48:30 GMT Roger D Johnson wrote: > Has anyone on the list had any dealings with offshore > pharmacies? It seems that there are hundreds of them > but I'm leery of getting ripped off. Any suggestions > on good ones or those to avoid appreciated. > > 73, Roger > 1. Not precisely "offshore," but Canada seems reliable. 2. Work to get all lobbying banned. Saul Article: 323577 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Steinfeld Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <8pi1f.1469$Aw.26698@typhoon.sonic.net> In <8pi1f.1469$Aw.26698@typhoon.sonic.net> Saul Rabinowitz writes: >I understand that you know Richard Steinfeld. Have you seen him lately? >I haven't seen any sign of him recently, and that's fine because I hope >that he dropped dead. He's been a thorn in the side of all of us who >know that Israel is right no matter what. Even the Christians hate him; >they know that he'll be trampled by the Black Horse of the Apocolypse. Not while I'm riding, he won't. You, however... Richard's doing quite well, thanks for asking. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 323578 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Martin Crossley" References: Subject: Re: And now for something different Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:36:04 +0100 Message-ID: <4345b800$0$73590$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net> "news.west" wrote in message news:Xgh1f.2466$jq3.2410@fe10.phx... > Take a look at the "Chassis" view of the radio here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Philco-Console-Multi-Band-Radio_W0QQitemZ6566463035QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > That's a unique way to mount a cap. > > Al > Sorry, I beg to disagree that it's unique! I have a Cossor 501 with one just like it! Made about 1953, cap. from 1958. Martin(Stockport) Article: 323579 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: And now for something different Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:52:21 GMT Ostrich brand. Only two known. He should've shopped the auction and parted the set. "news.west" wrote in message news:Xgh1f.2466$jq3.2410@fe10.phx... > Take a look at the "Chassis" view of the radio here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Philco-Console-Multi-Band-Radio_W0QQitemZ6566463035QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > That's a unique way to mount a cap. > > Al > > Article: 323580 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1126877607.126240.53360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1126889527.677216.42820@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128475190.805770.106230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Model MK2603 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:57:20 GMT Did you not put in your birthdate? In that case you will be stymied by the COPPA filter (to protect children from bad infuences on the web--Federal law). If you are previously banned from AK...if you need more helo email info@audiokarma.org. wrote in message news:1128475190.805770.106230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Steven wrote: > > but I know you should register at > > www.audiokarma.org and mention it in the classifieds and show some > > pictures in which ever antique forum you fit into. > ============= > Just an FYI I cannot register, all I get is "Sorry, registration has > been disabled by the administrator." > > Any other ideas? > Article: 323581 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Best Sounding... Or, what do you listen to every day? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:02:16 GMT Still listening to the Packard Bell I just got. None of the stereo gear is hooked up yet since I moved. "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1128106760.360625.158380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > I expect that many here have or listen to one or two 'favorite' radios > all the time. Speaking for myself, I choose (or chose) these radios for > their sound often more than for any other reason. So, this is an > informal and voluntary poll on which radios do you think sound the best > from direct personal experience. There is no 'why' to it, unless you > care to explain, and certainly no need to justify one choice or > another. > > I would have liked to except Exotics from the poll, but just now > decided not to, as some of you may have exotics in the inventory, but > choose to listen to something else instead. That might be an > interesting 'why' if anyone wishes to explain. > > So, on a regular basis, what do you consider the best sounding radio > that you listen to or have listened to for long periods. In the > following categories: > > Console > Tombstone/Cathedral/Tabletop > Portable > Add your cagegory (Chairside, for instance) > > Then, as there is a good deal of audio crossover here, what would you > consider to be the best combination of audio equipment, to about 1965, > or so to allow for stereo? (My picks include NO exotic equipment, but > entirely off-the-shelf consumer-grade stuff.) > > My picks are: > > Console: RCA 29K2. I do not have one now, but I did briefly. That > followed closely by my Zenith 9S262, followed by my Zenith 760 > > Tombstone/tabletop: Crosley 715, followed by my Zenith 808 > > Portable: Stromberg-Carlson AWP, followed by my Zenith B600 > > Chairside: Coronado 690B Glass-top. AM-only, but a big, honking speaker > and great sound. That followed by my Motorola 6A. I have two Zenith > chairsides, they pale next to these two. > > As to Audio, backing up from AR-3a speakers to the Scott LK-150 amp to > the Dynaco PAS-3 and FM-3 pre-amp and tuner respectively. The Dynaco > ST-70 is nice, but lacks the crispness of the LK-150. > > The above items are those that I can listen to for hours without > fatigue. I remember considering (briefly) keeping the RCA just for the > sound, but it was just SO ugly and SO large that it was too much in an > environment pressed for space. The Zeniths are no slouches, so there > are really no regrets. > > Your thoughts? This is a poll of personal taste, only, not meant to be > anything else. > Article: 323582 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: New forum... Message-ID: References: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:05:31 GMT Thank you Ron! That is most appreciated. Ken > ...for anyone interested in discussing Philco radios: > > http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php > > Coem on in and check it out. It's intended to complement the newsgroup, not > compete with it. > -- > Ron Ramirez - Evansville, Indiana > Visit PhilcoRadio.com at http://www.philcoradio.com/ > and the new Philco Phorum at http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php > Article: 323583 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4531-434430D5-101@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: ZENITH CABINET Message-ID: <7_i1f.773$PA1.92529@monger.newsread.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:06:27 GMT My siding is ceramic. "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:V9b1f.320$P95.237@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > Bill Turner wrote: > > > HOW MUCH IS IT? ITS BEAUTIFUL ! > > As usual, what are you talking about? > > Welcome back Bill. > > Jeff > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323584 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127731913.029729.242510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Is this antenna any good Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:09:26 GMT It's still fun for a girl and a boy... "Phil B" wrote in message news:ZuydnSe-9cpXeKXenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Well, it's just 20 ft. of hookup wire with an alligator clip on one end and > a slinky on the other end. Hanging the slinky from the ceiling extends it to > the floor, adding another 8 ft or so of wire depending on the ceiling height > and the max extended length of the slinky. A 28 ft or so wire strung in > roughly the same manner would perform equivalently. > > Short-wave radios with short telescoping antennas have antenna matching > circuits that tune the input stage accounting for the small capacitance of > the short antenna, assuming the radio is of decent design. Attaching a > significantly longer wire increases the received signal level but it also > detunes the input stage. I'm sure most of us have experimented with long > wires attached to the short antenna on a RadioShack or Lafayette all band > portable. You know the result. Loud signals, but all kinds of spurious > signals, off frequency feed through, hum, etc. Non discerning buyers of this > gizmo may be impressed by all the new loud signals they receive without > knowing that many of them are not on frequency. > > Now if the little portable SW radio has an auxiliary long wire antenna > input, then this gizmo would help, but not any more than a 28 ft wire. > Besides, the pictures show it clipped to the telescoping antenna. > > Hey, us poor people with even a small sense of ethics are missing out on the > eBay bonanza! Consider this as an option if you ever get laid off! > > Phil B > > > "RadioGary" wrote in message > news:1127731913.029729.242510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Just wondered if anyone online uses this. It's obviously a compromise > > antenna, but would it work better than let's say a long wire type > > antenna? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Super-Helical-Shortwave-Radio-Antenna-SW-ham-cb-dx-swl_W0QQitemZ5812955044QQcategoryZ15051QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > Article: 323585 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Offshore pharmacies Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:10:48 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1128625583.686533.23190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1128631699.805706.129280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1128631699.805706.129280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Randy, > > I have had a total of two (2) pill-type prescriptions in my entire > life, both short-term. But, in the case of my wife, we would know > pretty immediately if her prescriptions were not operating properly. > And yes, we do investigate our sources, but from the universe approved > by our prescription plan. So far, that has not been a problem as all > the "majors" are included as well as the two mail-order houses that are > most popular. Our local CVS has a "We will match..." policy anyway. > > You are beginning to sound like William S. Lighten up. There is no love > lost between me and the major drug companies. However and at the same > time, Merck, SmithKline and Glaxo are all 'neighbors' as well as > Philadelphia being "hospital city". I know as neighbors several major > drug-company employees, all of them honorable people doing honorable > work. my point is simply that honorable people are honorable people. being honorable isnt a factor of latitude and longitude. its flag comes in many colors not just red white and blue. and the whole 'problem' of bad drugs coming from overseas is way way way overblown. but ill lighten up. heres some light reading. "The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'. " randy Article: 323586 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4765-433B528B-143@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Germanium transistors Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:11:37 GMT NTE doesn't carry "stock", just replacements "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns96E0CF24AB7AAnoone@63.223.7.253... > "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in > news:dhhv8l$ull$05$1@news.t-online.com: > > > Larry, > > you made my day! > > > > I'm rolling on ... ;-) > > > > Kind Regards, > > Georg > > > > Quick! Call my broker! NTE stock just shot up!....(c; > > -- > Larry Article: 323587 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Offshore pharmacies Message-ID: <_4j1f.776$PA1.92457@monger.newsread.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:13:46 GMT Remember when "offshore pharmacy" was a Cessna loaded with "goodies"? "Roger D Johnson" wrote in message news:saqdnRK6Z-8TwdjeRVn-jw@adelphia.com... > Has anyone on the list had any dealings with offshore > pharmacies? It seems that there are hundreds of them > but I'm leery of getting ripped off. Any suggestions > on good ones or those to avoid appreciated. > > 73, Roger > > -- > Remove tilde (~) to reply > > Remember the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) > http://ussliberty.org/ Article: 323588 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4338758b$1_7@Output.100ProofNews.com> <43388639$1_18@Output.100ProofNews.com> <4338923d$0$224$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <4338a348_7@Opticon.100ProofNews.com> <4338eb6d$0$247$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <433b39d9$0$225$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Subject: Re: FM Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:25:44 GMT All of this may be true, but if you have all these "new-age" orchestras, with synths and rock guitars (because I guess ELO was right) supplanting them because folks deem this to be the "new" classical muxic... Is there anything really wrong with Yanni in mild doses? Then there is the folk/blugrass revival that gets mixed around with some blues and gets called Nickel Creek? There are alternatives to Boston and Motley Crue or whatever is on KISS-FM all day. "CalBubba" wrote in message news:433b39d9$0$225$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... > Larry wrote: > > "Phil B" wrote in news:K4mdnak_eNioN6feRVn- > > pg@comcast.com: > > > > > >>What does bother me is that we are slowly losing a fine > >>heritage. > > > > > > How? Every piece of classical music ever written has been recorded for > > eternity by a hundred different orchestras, by now. We can't "lose" them. > > Beethoven's dead so I don't suppose we'll need to play his "new tunes" in > > the future. > > > > I must correct you. The truth is that the vast literature of classical > music has been unrecorded. However, what's true is that the same pieces > have been recorded to death over and over again. Unfortunate. Frankly, I > never want to hear Beethoven's Fifth ever again, and I don't care if I > ever hear any of his music before his late string quartets either. > > > > What we DO lose is the pleasure of a LIVE PERFOMANCE of them. The cause of > > a lot of this is GREED, pure and simple. Not many people have the $250 to > > spend on a decent seat to hear it live. Many snobbish orchestras have just > > made it impossible for those young people to sit there, reserving it for > > the rich only. Too bad they're so short sighted the first 4 rows aren't > > given away free to any kid who shows up under 16 so they get hooked on > > it....and many would. > > > > Not greed. Reality. Unfortunately, an orchestra is a large enterprise, > and someone has to pay the musicians. Consider that an instrumentalist's > education probably cost more than a doctor's. We just don't have the > funding set up to make this enterprise egalitarian. And, by the way, I > agree that those first four rows should go free to the kids. I think > that the State of North Carolina had the right idea when they funded a > civil service orchestra for a few decades (ever hear of the North > Carolina Symphony?). The issue, and it's a big one, is how to fund the > arts. It's a vast question and too OT for here. > > > > The Smithsonian's big band came to Charleston Place's huge ballroom in > > downtown Charleston, SC. I took a new Steinway grand piano down for them > > to play during the big band concert that was FREE. The front tables were > > reserved for the patrons that paid for the hall. The rest of the ballroom > > was filled to capacity with ordinary people and LOTS of middle and high > > schoolers, amazingly. The show lasted over two hours because of the > > tremendous ovations and they just kept playing more.... Those kids you > > talk about were simply overwhelmed with the sound!... We put the piano > > back in my truck and had a great time hanging out with these excellent > > musicians after the show.... > > > > How were you involved? Like, whose piano was this? > > Bubba Article: 323589 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4338758b$1_7@Output.100ProofNews.com> <1127883595.281218.299720@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FM Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:28:27 GMT I have no sound card in this machine, thank goodness. "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:kLGdnWwmIIeu6KfenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > BTW (to Phil Nelson): I'm glad you mentioned KING-FM in Seattle > > on the Internet at www.king.org. I'll have to give it a listen, maybe > > after I write this. > > Many classical stations are available on the Internet. Give a listen to > KUSC. > > Article: 323590 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <8pi1f.1469$Aw.26698@typhoon.sonic.net> <1128643265.379751.280690@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Steinfeld Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:33:27 GMT Maybe that's why he hides under a pseudonym...don't get mixed up in the Israeli policy crap, Richard and the nuts and flakes of the Grape Nuts generation won't spam a SCUD up your tush. "Jim Strickland" wrote in message news:1128643265.379751.280690@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Grow up, both of you. > Article: 323591 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Sony 8-301W followup works now! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:36:47 GMT Good job! Now send him to AK and many of our posters who post there will be able to devote more resources to him from now on. "xrongor" wrote in message news:dht8iq$76d5$1@news3.infoave.net... > well, i took a crack at it today. i hate tv's but i told him i would look > and point. if he wanted to get zapped that was his business. > > busted solder joint on a cap, and a disconnected wire. works like a champ > now!! > > randy > > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:dhleqp$32u4$1@news3.infoave.net... > > friend of mine just acquired a sony 8-301W portable television that > > 'almost' works. instead of being a go between, i'd rather just recommend > > a newsgroup to him and let him ask his own questions. > > > > i know its not a radio or phono, but older tv's seem to come up quite > > often on this group. is this the best forum to direct him to for fixing > > it? if not which is a better one? > > > > thx > > randy > > > > Article: 323592 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> <11k95l0bsau61ef@corp.supernews.com> <1ea76$43449b1d$4232bd1f$8044@COQUI.NET> <43456DC0.EF7A06A3@earthlink.net> <4345B276.72D40D3C@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:47:41 GMT It would be nice again... "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:4345B276.72D40D3C@earthlink.net... > Larry wrote: > > > > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in > > news:43456DC0.EF7A06A3@earthlink.net: > > > > > A lot of stations had their own Barn Dance shows > > > > I've got some MP3 files of WLS barn dance shows from the 30's in Chicago. > > Having listened to WLS, the rock station, in my youth, I found it very > > funny...(c; > > > > Hee Haw isn't near as corny as these shows were! > > > > -- > > Larry > > > So, county music is corny? > > -- > ? > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Article: 323593 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1128390057.365600.170060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: good stuff here lately... Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:51:23 GMT Took almost two weeks waiting for the DSL connection to move with me...then my gateway went pow! Small error in setting up with the new unit, here I am David. You of course still mistake me as Polish. I am as Polish as the Pope for the first time since 1978. wrote in message news:1128390057.365600.170060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > No Dingus. > Article: 323594 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: 1625? References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:04:23 -0400 Uncle Peter wrote: > Good lord. A transmitting tube for a regenerative receiver! > The tube might work in a regen circuit with 12 volts on the plate, > but it certainly wasn't designed for that purpose. All in all, it is > fairly silly construction excercise, since the filament voltage and > current are absurd for that application! A lantern battery would > be history in short order. > > Pete > Hey a regen detector doesn't need much voltage on the plate to work, and a screen grid tube will work with less than a triode so even though it's wierd, it would work. Heater takes a little less than 1/2 A. OK you want weirder. Back in the 70's a ham friend of mine and I had this idea that maybe we could use his SB200 linear amp in BOTH directions. So we re-wired the relay so the linear would work as BOTH a 1200w power amp, and a pre amp for the reciever. It worked fine and didn't damage the front end of his rx. In fact it gave about the same gain in both directions, IE: about 10-12db. I'm not too sure about the noise figure of T160L's as gg amps (at that signal level they run in class A, even when "cut off"), but it DID bring in a few stations that were in the mud without the "preamp". Article: 323595 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: Silvertone 6C5G tubes References: <43434077_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:08:50 -0400 Paul Dietenberger wrote: > Hi all. I haven't gotten a full answer on this yet; wondering if any of the > regulars here might have a clue. > > Check Riders Vol. 8 Sears pg. 8-70 (for model 4587), under "Replacement of > the Oscillator Tube." NA link at > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/124/M0017124.pdf > > You know that most 6C5Gs, unlike other triodes, have an internal shield that > surrounds the elements. However, every Silvertone brand 6C5G I've seen does > not have this shield, and the plate is visible. Apparently owners needed to > use Silvertone branded 6C5Gs as the oscillator tube in their sets, as other > brands which had the internal shield had interelement capacities > sufficiently different that the alignment would be affected on the foreign > band. That, or pay for a realignment. > > Anybody know the story behind why Sears was getting 6C5Gs that didn't match > the RCA spec for 6C5G? Has anyone seen any other brand of 6C5G like this > without the internal shield? > > Thanks > Paul > > I always thought that the 6C5 was intended for RF use (oscillator, rf amp, detector) while the 6J5 was intended for AF use. Both tubes have similar parameters to be interchangible (except for inter element capacitance), and both were made in metal and glass. BTW all the 6c5GT's i've seen had the external plate shield. Article: 323596 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127917969.597fc9effff1d586cdf23f900ae07305@teranews> Subject: Re: this is just way too funny Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:08:57 GMT Let's just hope, for the winner's sake that it doesn't *break* and also it's already a two-foot pole, so I won't get at it with an 8 -foot one. That's all. "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:1127917969.597fc9effff1d586cdf23f900ae07305@teranews... > Eww. > The question, Randy, is what were *you* searching on to find that? ;-) > > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:dhe1eo$fj02$1@news3.infoave.net... > > i especially like the added 'disclaimer' > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6211701827 > > > > randy > > > > > > Article: 323597 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <11kadho51jg7rf3@corp.supernews.com> <7oudnep3Zq0o9NjeRVn-rw@giganews.com> Subject: Re: Happy Birthday R.A.R+P! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:10:33 -0400 "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:7oudnep3Zq0o9NjeRVn-rw@giganews.com... >I think I must be one of the oldest r.a.r+p oldtimers at this point. Why, just how old are you, Phil? :) Frank Article: 323598 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:11:13 -0400 Larry wrote: > "Phil Nelson" wrote in > news:6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com: > > >>Am I doing something wrong? Seems like the conversion process should >>not be introducing noise. I would ultimately like to have .MP3 files >>on the website. >> > > > Is the pop in the middle of the file or on the very end? > > Sounds like a codec error. What MP3 codec are you using? > > I use the LAME MP3 codec, here. It's freeware: > http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Lame_Encoder.htm > Being supported by hundreds of code writers around the globe makes it > great. If you're already using it, maybe you need a new version. > > Why all the conversions? That may be the source of many problems. I know > nothing of proprietary I-tunes. I convert audio data or analog audio > straight into MP3 ready for playing with Total Recorder from: > http://www.highcriteria.com/ > Sounds like you need the Professional version 5.2, not the simple standard. > Pro version has an editor and all. The sound is great using the LAME DLL > codec. AS it sits ripping anything sent to or from your soundcard, there's > no way of blocking it from any source, a sort of proxy engine. I record > lots of radio shows, especially from BBC, straight into MP3 format for play > on my 100GB Digital Mind Xclef multimedia recorder/player. It will record > both in realtime mode and in digital mode making it much faster. Check it > out. Pro model is only $35 with lifetime upgrades. > > I also promote using a Russian program called MP3 Catalog Pro as a great > MP3 database of your entire collection. Even on an old Win98SE system, > it's lightning fast. It's webpage is http://www.wizetech.com/ Best MP3 > database there is. It'll search 300K files for any string in any field of > the ID3 tags in about 10 seconds! > might want to try Bladeenc encoder. Bladeenc in general produces higher quality than lame when used at high bit rates, and also encodes faster. It's also open source, GPL. Article: 323599 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: ZENITH CABINET Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:28:21 -0700 Message-ID: <2088-4345CF35-328@storefull-3151.bay.webtv.net> References: <7_i1f.773$PA1.92529@monger.newsread.com> Hi Bill: Welcome back! Article: 323600 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, WSM From: Larry References: <43449556.8B8CF4F@earthlink.net> <11k95l0bsau61ef@corp.supernews.com> <1ea76$43449b1d$4232bd1f$8044@COQUI.NET> <43456DC0.EF7A06A3@earthlink.net> <4345B276.72D40D3C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:48:52 -0400 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in news:4345B276.72D40D3C@earthlink.net: > So, county music is corny? > Depends on which county the music was made in, I suppose.... -- Larry Article: 323601 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? From: Larry References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:54:24 -0400 Ken Scharf wrote in news:XUj1f.5463$Ww5.1716@bignews4.bellsouth.net: > might want to try Bladeenc encoder. Bladeenc in general produces > higher quality than lame when used at high bit rates, and also encodes > faster. It's also open source, GPL. > > I've been trying, unsuccessfully so far, to get the boys at Digital Mind to dump the OGG codec to free up some memory and put FLAC codec on the 100GB player. FLAC files are much larger than MP3, but not as big as WAV files the player also supports. When one has 100GB of music storage, one can afford FLAC's extra overhead to get bit-perfect compression. http://flac.sourceforge.net/ FLAC is also freeware/GPL. Download the FLAC stuff and install its codec, then go to alt.binaries.sounds.flac.classical and get a fantastic FLAC file of a major orchestra's recording. The decoded playback is perfect! -- Larry Article: 323602 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4345D70D.5030007@worldnet.att.net> From: Al Schapira Subject: FS: RCA power tube octal socket NOS/NIB, not what you expect Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:57:08 GMT For sale: RCA power tube octal socket, part # 109059, NOS/NIB, heavy duty lime green plastic/phenolic material with integrated molded air duct with 2 1/8" male threads, and molded mounting flanges. Pictures at http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCAsocket1.jpg http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCAsocket2.jpg http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCAsocket3.jpg Asking $10 shipped to any US address. Thanks for looking. -Al Article: 323603 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4345D823.1080009@worldnet.att.net> From: Al Schapira Subject: Re: SOLD: FS: RCA controls (pots), NOS/NIB References: <434589C3.9020202@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:01:46 GMT The controls are spoken for. Thanks. -Al Article: 323604 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: ZENITH CABINET Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:57:39 -0700 Message-ID: <2739-4345D613-202@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net> References: Yo Bill, Welcome back. You been missed. Bill(oc) Article: 323605 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:14:04 -0400 Larry wrote: > Ken Scharf wrote in > news:XUj1f.5463$Ww5.1716@bignews4.bellsouth.net: > > >>might want to try Bladeenc encoder. Bladeenc in general produces >>higher quality than lame when used at high bit rates, and also encodes >>faster. It's also open source, GPL. >> >> > > > I've been trying, unsuccessfully so far, to get the boys at Digital Mind to > dump the OGG codec to free up some memory and put FLAC codec on the 100GB > player. FLAC files are much larger than MP3, but not as big as WAV files > the player also supports. When one has 100GB of music storage, one can > afford FLAC's extra overhead to get bit-perfect compression. > > http://flac.sourceforge.net/ > > FLAC is also freeware/GPL. Download the FLAC stuff and install its codec, > then go to alt.binaries.sounds.flac.classical and get a fantastic FLAC file Think you might mean alt.binaries.sounds.lossless.classical??? How do you save these from a browser? open the message and see lots of junk on the screen! (and no save link) Article: 323606 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:26:55 GMT Nobody asked Phil if the artifact is actually caused by the recorder and not the codec, or perhaps if the tic is caused by tape problems/dropouts...is this a tape format or all-semiconductor? "Ken Scharf" wrote in message news:SPk1f.712$0l.631@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > Larry wrote: > > Ken Scharf wrote in > > news:XUj1f.5463$Ww5.1716@bignews4.bellsouth.net: > > > > > >>might want to try Bladeenc encoder. Bladeenc in general produces > >>higher quality than lame when used at high bit rates, and also encodes > >>faster. It's also open source, GPL. > >> > >> > > > > > > I've been trying, unsuccessfully so far, to get the boys at Digital Mind to > > dump the OGG codec to free up some memory and put FLAC codec on the 100GB > > player. FLAC files are much larger than MP3, but not as big as WAV files > > the player also supports. When one has 100GB of music storage, one can > > afford FLAC's extra overhead to get bit-perfect compression. > > > > http://flac.sourceforge.net/ > > > > FLAC is also freeware/GPL. Download the FLAC stuff and install its codec, > > then go to alt.binaries.sounds.flac.classical and get a fantastic FLAC file > Think you might mean alt.binaries.sounds.lossless.classical??? > How do you save these from a browser? open the message and see lots of > junk on the screen! (and no save link) Article: 323607 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: good stuff here lately... Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:36:07 -0600 Message-ID: <3349-4345DF17-275@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: just noting the topics and postings seemed to have perked up a bit lately, August and early Sept seemed boring to me. Well ... *^#&^((*@!(*&!... is back .. things should liven up now . Its cold around here now . Mid days brings 75* or so Article: 323608 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1128390057.365600.170060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128652787.913051.179870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: good stuff here lately... Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:45:59 GMT I'm trying to put the fininshing touches on the speakers I posted in ABPR a while back and sell a system to pay bills. Hello, Eddie. "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1128652787.913051.179870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > spoke too soon. at least a dozen posts today. > Article: 323609 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <3349-4345DF17-275@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: good stuff here lately... Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:48:03 GMT Nice to know you love me, Ken. As dead as you've been claiming it is over there, maybe you need life. Peace out. "Ken G." wrote in message news:3349-4345DF17-275@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net... > just noting the topics and postings seemed to have perked up a bit > lately, August and early Sept seemed boring to me. > > Well ... *^#&^((*@!(*&!... is back .. things should liven up now . > > Its cold around here now . Mid days brings 75* or so > Article: 323610 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: good stuff here lately... References: <3349-4345DF17-275@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:18:14 GMT Ken G. wrote: > Well ... *^#&^((*@!(*&!... is back .. things should liven up now . Look at the bright side Ken. You're off the hook about having to fix all his crap. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323611 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Interesting article on the intended use of the phonograph Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:18:37 -0400 Message-ID: <11kbq8lc5f1t939@news.supernews.com> References: <%s11f.7793$2F2.802673@news20.bellglobal.com> <56ee3$4344b8d3$4232bd1f$15949@COQUI.NET> "Bill" wrote in message news:56ee3$4344b8d3$4232bd1f$15949@COQUI.NET... > Buck Frobisher wrote: > > >> Maybe I was too tired to read it by I sure found it dry. When was the >> last time you used the word "elision" in a sentence? Never? Joint the >> club. >> >> Back to join the Great Unwashed. >> >> Frank > > e·li·sion Listen: [ -lzhn ] > n. > > > 1. a. Omission of a final or initial sound in pronunciation. b. > Omission of an unstressed vowel or syllable, as in scanning a verse. > > 2. The act or an instance of omitting something. > > **** > > I think #2 is sufficient enough fodder to foment an equivalent reactionary > post. :) Hey, its Usenet. > > However, the joint/join thing you have introduced implies some Freudian > impulse of your own character but we'll let that slide since we are in > agreement that the use of "elision" connotes pompousness whereas we all > know what a "joint" is. > > Is that what you were inferring with your misspelling? > > -Bill What you may infer from "joint", dear ex, is that it was l8 and I was 2 lazey 2 run the splchkr. Makes the reply somewhat disjointed, I'll admit. Article: 323612 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Interesting article on the intended use of the phonograph Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:19:36 -0400 Message-ID: <11kbqag9e638h71@news.supernews.com> References: <%s11f.7793$2F2.802673@news20.bellglobal.com> <6ke9k15jo4adfkrs6kld801kjfm634hdb4@4ax.com> "philsvintageradios" wrote in message news:6ke9k15jo4adfkrs6kld801kjfm634hdb4@4ax.com... > On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:10:31 -0400, "Buck Frobisher" > Frank, congradulations, elision is way down at the bottom, I stopped > reading at "bedevil the strict dichotomy" :-) > > Phil Arrrh, there bedevils to be recapped, mateys! Frank Article: 323613 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1128390057.365600.170060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1128652787.913051.179870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: good stuff here lately... Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:48:04 GMT Amen, brother. "jim menning" wrote in message news:jul1f.91966$32.85303@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message > news:1128652787.913051.179870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > spoke too soon. at least a dozen posts today. > > > > It'd be nice if he only spoke when he had something worthwhile to > say... > > > > > which would be never. > > jim menning > > Article: 323614 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <3349-4345DF17-275@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: good stuff here lately... Message-ID: <5km1f.797$PA1.94483@monger.newsread.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:54:41 GMT I do as much of that as I can. He keeps coming up with the idiotic proposition that he'll do something--IF I don't post. Blackmail. Sold three radios from under my nose and tried to shake me with "have terrible this group is" and now thinks he cannot participate with me here. I don't care one way or the other anymore Ken, you do your thing and leave me out of your home movies...no Oscars are due you. Good night Ken. "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:WNl1f.514$P95.457@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > Ken G. wrote: > > Well ... *^#&^((*@!(*&!... is back .. things should liven up now . > > Look at the bright side Ken. You're off the hook about having to > fix all his crap. > > Jeff > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323615 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DaveW Subject: Re: Steinfeld References: <8pi1f.1469$Aw.26698@typhoon.sonic.net> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:52:55 GMT Tim Mullen wrote: > In <8pi1f.1469$Aw.26698@typhoon.sonic.net> Saul Rabinowitz writes: > > >>I understand that you know Richard Steinfeld. Have you seen him lately? > > >>I haven't seen any sign of him recently, and that's fine because I hope >>that he dropped dead. He's been a thorn in the side of all of us who >>know that Israel is right no matter what. Even the Christians hate him; >>they know that he'll be trampled by the Black Horse of the Apocolypse. > > > Not while I'm riding, he won't. You, however... > > Richard's doing quite well, thanks for asking. > Good to hear! DAve Article: 323616 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: semi-OT: pops in .MP3 recordings? From: Larry References: <6aydnQtEO7xYrNneRVn-gQ@giganews.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:56:46 -0400 Ken Scharf wrote in news:SPk1f.712$0l.631@bignews1.bellsouth.net: > Think you might mean alt.binaries.sounds.lossless.classical??? > How do you save these from a browser? open the message and see lots of > junk on the screen! (and no save link) > > Browsers don't support binaries. You need a proper client and a proper news server to do binaries. I recommend Xnews for free. Here's how to do binaries from a boilerplate text I made: HOW TO DOWNLOAD MUSIC FILES FROM USENET: Go to http://xnews.newsguy.com and download the latest Xnews freeware client. Xnews downloads, decodes and stores multipart binaries in any format uploaded to Usenet, automatically. Install it like any other software then boot it up....we'll wait. When it comes up it will ask you for your news server address. Get this >from your Internet provider website. If your ISP doesn't provide news server access, may I recommend http://www.usenetserver.com in Atlanta as your news provider. Truly unlimited service on 6 ports as fast as your connection can go costs merely $14.95/month, cheaper if you buy 3 months at a time, online. Use your credit card and they will automatically bill you. Once you get your news server address, something like news.podunknet.com, enter it into the news address box in Xnews. From the main window of Xnews, click "Special" then "Setup Xnews" and the server address(es) are on the opening window. Xnews supports multiple servers from multiple companies, no problem. Each has his own setup page. Enter the news server name in the box provided. If you need authentication, the username and password boxes are provided here, too. Add them and click the appropriate checkbox. When you click OK Xnews will proceed to connect to the server and download all 74395 newsgroups, or whatever number it has on it. You need this list to select which topics or binary groups you want to open. Let it finish downloading them all. On dialup this is a long process. The list of newsgroups will open an Xnews window displaying them all in order. If you see nothing, click the ALL button and all the newsgroups show up. Normally, once you get going, you will only see newsgroups you've "subscribed" to. Subscribe is inside Xnews and has nothing to do with the server. It merely moves your favorite groups to the top of the list and only displays your favorites unless you click the ALL button down. Slide down the list and look for things that interest you. There are thousands! You may open any group you see without subscribing to it by simply doubleclicking on the group name. This lets you look the group over before subscribing to see if it's what you're interested in. As we're talking about binary music files, slide down the list until you get to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.jazz and subscribe to it by clicking the + key on your 10-key keypad. The icon will change showing it is subscribed. You can unsubscribe from any newsgroup at any time by pointing to it on this list and clicking the - key on the 10key pad. Ok, it's subscribed, click the ALL button 'up' and you should only see one subscribed newsgroup in the blank window. Doubleclick on the jazz newsgroup to open its new window, the message list window. If there are way too many messages in a newsgroup, and there are in binary newsgroups that are active, Xnews will open a special popup window to ask you to set some limits on how many messages it is to download to look at. This window has two "slider controls" across the top and boxes that tell you how many messages are between the current settings of the sliders. You click and drag the sliders sideways to move them. Click the beginning slider and move it to the right until you only see 100,000 messages or less in the message counter window. The longer the message list is, the more memory it necessarily gobbles up. The shorter the list is, the faster everything operates. My old slow Win98SE 550Mhz 128M machine bogs over 100K messages. Too few messages and you miss songs in an album someone has posted. Click OK and the message limits you selected will start loading the XOVER data, the message list. Let the whole list load. After it's loaded, Xnews will sort, thread and alphabetize the messages by subject field, automatically. To sort another way, simply click the top of the field down to resort the list, by date for instance or uploader guy. Leave it by subject, for now. That's normally the way you use it. Xnews threaded all the parts to a multi-part binary together into ONE LINE on the list, noting in a field to the right 12/12 for 12 messages of 12 expected. When it finds all the parts to this binary, a light blue Rubix cube icon shows up on the left side of this line, this song on an MP3 group. That means all the parts are available and the song will play. If parts are missing, a dark blue partial Rubix cube icon will show. You can't get that binary because it's not available. There are new methods with PAR files to recreate it but I'm not covering them, now. Don't try to download partial files for now. There are thousands of good files to listen to in any group. Movies are another, more complex animal, but that's another instruction file. Slide down the list and see that posters normally post subject lines that go in order, in MP3 groups, in the order of the songs on an album, normally. Stop sliding when you come to a group of songs you like (or dislike for this exercise). Notice just to the right of the Subject fields is a field marked 'Q' at the top...Q is for que. To download binary files, without you even having to be in the house, Xnews has a que built into it. You can select one MP3 by simply clicking on that line's Q space and a number will appear, the first number is 1. The next number is 1 + how many ever messages are in the first file. The last number you clicked is always how many messages are left in the que. On broadband cable or DSL, don't click up numbers higher than 30,000 messages. 10,000 is more comfortable. That's LOTS of music...hours and hours! If you click on the first song Q field in an album and DRAG down the Q fields across all the songs in that album, they'll all light up with numbers in the Q field, putting them all in the download que. For now, click and drag one album, probably about 15 songs in a row. SPECIAL WARNING - NEVER, EVER, EVER DOWNLOAD ANY KIND OF BINARY FILE THAT RUNS! THEY ARE ALL VIRUS/TROJANS TO DESTROY YOUR SYSTEM. NO .EXE, .COM, .BAT, .DLL, OR ANY OTHER KIND OF PROGRAM FILES!! ONLY PICTURES, TEXT, MUSIC (MP3, OGG, FLAC, WMV, WAV, etc.) files should be downloaded and decoded. I don't care how much you want that software he posted, DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY SOFTWARE!! It's just too dangerous to download from Usenet and run any program! 'Nuf said... Ok, we have an album selected. Down in the middle of the bottom, you see a Rubix Cube button...the Download button. Click it and Xnews opens up a standard old Windows folder selector window. Xnews is asking you where you want it to put the music! If you don't have a place, TYPE the path name in you want it to create like C:\JAZZ DOWNLOAD and it won't find what you typed. It will popup another window asking you if you want it to create a new directory to put these files into...Click Yes and we're on our way. Without typing, you can browse to select an existing folder/directory in the tree, like with other programs. Xnews is now downloading text encoded binary files in pieces limited to 10,000 lines by the design of Usenet, which was never designed for binary files in the first place. It is decoding the downloaded text messages, on the fly, into the original binary code, in this case MP3 data, and storing it, ready to play, where you told it to (even in the root directory if you screwed up selecting the directory, by the way). It will stop when the que is completed and just sit and wait for your return. Double click on the MP3 files over in C:\JAZZ DOWNLOAD and whatever player your system is configured to use will play it, just fine. There, you are now a music pirate....arrest yourself and turn yourself in to the nearest astonished cop trying to keep a straight face. END OF TEXT FILE...... Never connect to any kind of "sharing" program and enjoy your music. For old radios, I suggest alt.binaries.sounds.radio.oldtime, where all the old radio shows are posted and alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era, where all the big band music is posted. Buy huge hard drives and a CDR/DVDr burner...You're going to need it, SOON! The download addiction has just begun!.......(c; -- Larry Article: 323617 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: KLH Model 21 - blown speaker? Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:09:31 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1128657008.306967.286500@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> if you get the same symptoms with two different speakers, its not the speaker. just as a wild ass guess, i would start by cleaning the bass pot. randy wrote in message news:1128657008.306967.286500@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hello: > > My first post. I just purchased a KLH Model 21 FM table radio. From my > naive point of view, it works and sounds great, except for one > important thing. The sound is VERY distorted when I turn the volume > past the 1/4 mark and if I have the bass turned up past the halfway > mark. I can succcessfully turn up the volume far past normal listening > levels if I keep the bass essentially "off". Does anyone know if this > is a simple case of a blown speaker, or could it be something else? I > ask this because when I attach an external speaker (non-KLH), it too > sounds very distorted when I dial in some bass. Thanks very much in > advance - I really have no idea where to turn. > > Sincerely, > > Gord Goble > Article: 323618 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: FS: RCA power tube octal socket NOS/NIB, not what you expect Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:11:33 -0700 Message-ID: References: <4345D70D.5030007@worldnet.att.net> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:57:08 +0000, Al Schapira wrote: > For sale: > > RCA power tube octal socket, part # 109059, NOS/NIB, heavy duty lime > green plastic/phenolic material with integrated molded air duct with 2 > 1/8" male threads, and molded mounting flanges. > > Pictures at > > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCAsocket1.jpg > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCAsocket2.jpg > http://home.att.net/~a.schapira/pix/RCA-parts/RCAsocket3.jpg > > Asking $10 shipped to any US address. > > Thanks for looking. > > -Al Looks like a TV high voltage rectifier socket. The slots around the edge are for the filament wires from the flyback transformer. Of course, just because it was made for one purpose doesn't mean that it can't be used for another. Since it has all the contacts, a power tube would work. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 323619 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: KLH Model 21 - blown speaker? Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:25:53 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1128657008.306967.286500@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:50:08 -0700, goble wrote: > Hello: > > My first post. I just purchased a KLH Model 21 FM table radio. From my > naive point of view, it works and sounds great, except for one > important thing. The sound is VERY distorted when I turn the volume > past the 1/4 mark and if I have the bass turned up past the halfway > mark. I can succcessfully turn up the volume far past normal listening > levels if I keep the bass essentially "off". Does anyone know if this > is a simple case of a blown speaker, or could it be something else? I > ask this because when I attach an external speaker (non-KLH), it too > sounds very distorted when I dial in some bass. Thanks very much in > advance - I really have no idea where to turn. > > Sincerely, > > Gord Goble A bad speaker generally doesn't work at all (totally destroyed), rattles and buzzes (torn cone, bad surround), or sounds distorted at LOW volume (voice coil dragging on the magnet pole piece). Since you tried another speaker and it does the same thing, you pretty well proved that this problem is elsewhere. This doesn't necessarily mean that your speaker is good, but fix the biggest problems first so that you can see if there are smaller ones. Since the distortion is affected by the audio controls (volume, tone), the trouble is probably in the audio amplifier. Since it is affected mainly by the tone control, that would be the first circuit to investigate. I don't know anything about this particular set so I can't get any more detailed. Maybe someone else is familiar with it. Good luck. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 323620 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <8pi1f.1469$Aw.26698@typhoon.sonic.net> Subject: Re: Steinfeld Message-ID: <0Tn1f.803$PA1.95820@monger.newsread.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:40:12 GMT Oh yeah, thank you to whomever was trolling for him anyway. "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:LRn1f.802$PA1.95965@monger.newsread.com... > That sounded like a pile of crap way to figure that out... > > "DaveW" wrote in message > news:Han1f.7452$BU1.562@trnddc06... > > Tim Mullen wrote: > > > In <8pi1f.1469$Aw.26698@typhoon.sonic.net> Saul Rabinowitz > writes: > > > > > > > > >>I understand that you know Richard Steinfeld. Have you seen him lately? > > > > > > > > >>I haven't seen any sign of him recently, and that's fine because I hope > > >>that he dropped dead. He's been a thorn in the side of all of us who > > >>know that Israel is right no matter what. Even the Christians hate him; > > >>they know that he'll be trampled by the Black Horse of the Apocolypse. > > > > > > > > > Not while I'm riding, he won't. You, however... > > > > > > Richard's doing quite well, thanks for asking. > > > > > > > Good to hear! > > > > DAve > > Article: 323621 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <8pi1f.1469$Aw.26698@typhoon.sonic.net> Subject: Re: Steinfeld Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:38:51 GMT That sounded like a pile of crap way to figure that out... "DaveW" wrote in message news:Han1f.7452$BU1.562@trnddc06... > Tim Mullen wrote: > > In <8pi1f.1469$Aw.26698@typhoon.sonic.net> Saul Rabinowitz writes: > > > > > >>I understand that you know Richard Steinfeld. Have you seen him lately? > > > > > >>I haven't seen any sign of him recently, and that's fine because I hope > >>that he dropped dead. He's been a thorn in the side of all of us who > >>know that Israel is right no matter what. Even the Christians hate him; > >>they know that he'll be trampled by the Black Horse of the Apocolypse. > > > > > > Not while I'm riding, he won't. You, however... > > > > Richard's doing quite well, thanks for asking. > > > > Good to hear! > > DAve Article: 323622 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: speaker reconing Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:17:32 -0500 Message-ID: References: <11kamu1mmquj950@news.supernews.com> On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:44:54 GMT Saul Rabinowitz wrote: >> "C. James Strutz" wrote in message >> news:11kamu1mmquj950@news.supernews.com... >> >>>Looks like the guy in Ohio who reconed speakers for me is out of business. >>>Any recommendations for somebody else?? Thanks... >>> > >1. Madisound, Madison, Wisconsin. Madisound no longer does repairs. I called them about 5 years ago and asked about a job and got someone who didn't even know that this was anything they ever did. Of course it's possible that they changed back. I wouldn't know since after that experience I just crossed them off my list. - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 323623 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" References: <1128560909.512430.187320@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Virtual Vintag Radios Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:05:46 -0700 It already here,,, have you seen a cnc mill at work. The price of those things keeps coming down!!! Plus, my brother was at a cnc trade show and they now have a 3d scanner that will digitize almost anything, then send the file to a cnc.... Its bloody amazing!!!!! bob in phx "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:di4591$mf$1@reader1.panix.com... > In <1128560909.512430.187320@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> > "philsvintageradios" writes: > >>I think the next thing to come will be something along the lines of a >>box, where you can send it a program and make 3 dimensional objects. >>imagine downloading a program for a pocket knife or a new can opener,, >>then opening the program and custom tayloring it to your own needs, you >>submit the file to the "magic box" then open the door ,, and "poof" >>there it is ready to be used.. > > Fabbers. > >>we can do similar things now with photopolymers,, how long will it take >>for this to become a little more practical? maybe a molding proceess >>could be involved, something like that. > > Have you read Neil Stephenson's (of "Snowcrash" fame) "Diamond Age"? > Interesting sc-fi yarn about some societal aspects of a civilization > where molecular assembly is commonplace. > > -- > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 323624 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Swap meets, big and small Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:47:44 -0700 Message-ID: References: Robert Murrell wrote: > Michigan Antique Radio Club has had its winter meet in tandem with the > Livonia Amateur Radio Club for the past few years, ours on Saturday, theirs > on Sunday. It was at the same place, so vendors could set up for both > meets. The hams are the most inflexible, stubborn group I've ever dealt > with. They would try NOTHING new, even though they acknowledged that their > meet was dying. Around here, there are two ham radio swaps held each month. The organizers acknowleged a long time ago that trying to keep them as "pure" ham radio meets was pure folly, so they started allowing anyone with any electronics to sell to participate. The result was a little bit of ham stuff, a little bit of antique radio stuff, and a lot of computer/video/test equipment stuff being sold......And that's just fine, because without the computer sellers there would be NO meet at all and NO ham gear changing hands. It's a win-win....the meets are well attended by a diverse group, the hams are still able to sell their wares, and the clubs sponsoring the events still get the proceeds from space rental and concessions to add to their kitties. Their willingness to be flexible is keeping them alive and in the chips. Let's face it....there just ain't as many hardcore ham radio fanatics as there used to be. The ham radio clubs that pretend otherwise are largely meeting the same fate as fraternal organizations, with declining interest and membership. The clubs that choose not to cop to this fact are already swirling the bowl. It's adapt or die...... -Scott Article: 323625 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry" References: <1128625583.686533.23190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1128631699.805706.129280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Offshore pharmacies Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:47:46 -0230 Randy? wrote. > my point is simply that honorable people are honorable people. being > honorable isnt a factor of latitude and longitude. its flag comes in many > colors not just red white and blue. and the whole 'problem' of bad drugs > coming from overseas is way way way overblown. > > While this thread is maybe OT for this group, maybe we 'electronic technicians' are of an age group where this subject is of interest/concern? :-) Have lived and on occasion been prescribed drugs, in Canada, for various members of the family, for the past 50 years. And there has never been any suggestion that the quality was not of the highest. Some drugs are manufactured in Canada, the US and in many other countries. The 'big' drug companies operate all over. In recent years there has been this furore, in the US, about 'Dangers of imported drugs'. Also well publicized cases of state administrations looking for alternate (cheaper) sources; followed by threats from some drug makers to embargo or ration the shipment of those drugs manufactured in the US to Canadian distributors, in attempts to stop or reduce the sale of them privately back to US patients! Looking from 'outside', the bottom line seems to be that the cost of drugs in the US has been, for some reason, much higher than elsewhere; often justified by claims that the costs of developing any drug must be financed by drug companies. But it is not only US companies that develop new drugs! So the suggestion has been "Profits"? While some low income Canadians receive government assistance for the purchase of essential medications typically many of us have 'Drug Insurance Plans' either purchased by regular contributions from our incomes, over years of working, or as part of retirement pensions. These 'plans' are administered by companies who therefore have an interest in reasonable and consistency of drug pricing. Rather than dealing with thousands of individual private buyers those drug sellers are dealing with companies who have an expertise and interest in reasonable drug pricing. Such an approach also puts emphasis on 'Generic' drugs rather than those that companies, for the sake of possible profit, develop as slight variations/mixtures of existing ones and then register them as 'new' and therefore patentable medications! Typically my drug insurance plan pays 80% of the cost of each medication including the dispensing fee; while I pay 20%. Article: 323626 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <11kamu1mmquj950@news.supernews.com> <3qydnbwdAuIdi9veRVn-qg@comcast.com> <1128690020.694016.319320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: speaker reconing Message-ID: <6Uv1f.92015$32.19410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:47:30 GMT "Brian" wrote in message news:1128690020.694016.319320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> or, do it yourself as I preach in my seminars... most are totally >> repairable >> at home, even if all the cone is gone, if the voice coil and spider >> are >> good. > > > I'd really like to know more, Mark. Do you have this written up > anywhere? > > Brian > I think you'll find it on his website. ;o) jim menning