Article: 325114 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 00:14:16 -0600 Message-ID: <4367058f$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Hi all Some of you may remember this poor sad painted console I picked up earlier this month: http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-before.jpg I managed to turn it back into something acceptable for polite society, I think..... http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-102905.jpg http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-102905b.jpg It's recapped, retubed (all but one were weak...) and reassembled. Bad quick snap taken in the basement: http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-done.jpg And yes, it really is a great receiving and sounding set. I like it a lot. Story here, if anybody cares to read it. http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silvertone4587.html This is my first complete console cabinet refinish. Be gentle.... :-) Regards, paul Article: 325115 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:01:11 -0800 Message-ID: References: TerryJ wrote: > I was taught to respect even low voltage. The IBM mainframes that I > serviced up until 1993 had power supplies with as low as 1.5 V but > supplied the current of several thousand amps through buss bars one > inch thick and 3-4 inches wide. Get a ring or watch between that and the > ground buss and your finger or hand would be gone and the supply might > not even kick out.... I NEVER wore a ring or watch for fear of > forgetting to take it off when servicing a machine. I had a co-worker WELD HIMSELF into a circuit powered by a 100 amp 5 volt power supply when his wedding ring shorted across the terminals. The breaker waited until there was just enough melted metal to make a very solid mechanical connection before it tripped (a split second, if even that). His finger swelled up almost immediately and we had to use a dremel tool to cut what was left of the ring in half to free him, and freon spray as anesthetic to make the pain bearable during the "surgery". The finger had third degree burns which took forever to heal and my collegue was out nearly $3000 for the ring. I wish I had taken a picture of it; my wife would never question why I don't wear my ring if she saw it. Jewelry and electronics don't mix :-( -Scott Article: 325116 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:45:12 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <80A9f.908$ZA3.213356@monger.newsread.com> <1130815039.190391.320680@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1130815039.190391.320680@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I don't have an urgent need for these, I like to stock up when > possible. I've bought sleeves of NIB 6F6 metals for as little as $3.50 > per tube on Ebay. BTW, I bought 17 used 6K7 tubes, a mix of metal, G, > and GT and paid $8.00 to have them shipped from Ohio to Colorado. shipping cost without item cost is meaningless. item cost without shipping cost is meaningless. you only pay total cost. you send the seller a whole pie and how you slice it is irrelevent. i will try one more time to illustrate the point then i will leave you to your own devices. ill sell you a shiny brand new penny for 10,000$. and I WILL PAY YOU TO RECEIVE THE ITEM!!! really!! ill pay you 9,000$ 'receiving cost' just to send it to you once the 10,000$ is in my hands. what a smoking deal!!! depending on what you're smoking that is... randy Article: 325117 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4367058f$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:52:01 GMT Excellent! But you didn't have any nightmarish cracks in the waterfall curve or veneer matching to achieve, like I needed : ((( : ))) You did an admirable job, and you can be justifiably proud of it. You Saved It! "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:4367058f$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net... > Hi all > > Some of you may remember this poor sad painted console I picked up earlier > this month: > http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-before.jpg > > I managed to turn it back into something acceptable for polite society, I > think..... > http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-102905.jpg > http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-102905b.jpg > > It's recapped, retubed (all but one were weak...) and reassembled. Bad quick > snap taken in the basement: > http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silv4587-done.jpg > > And yes, it really is a great receiving and sounding set. I like it a lot. > > Story here, if anybody cares to read it. > http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silvertone4587.html > > This is my first complete console cabinet refinish. Be gentle.... :-) > > Regards, paul > > > Article: 325118 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: eBay and "Non-selling Sellers"? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:54:09 GMT It happens. You all will have it happen if you do enough buying there. Most give an excuse like "I dropped it and broke it." Some just go silent. That's why I don't like sellers that want only money orders. It can take months to get a refund if they welsh on a sale. I've had a couple this year. Luckily they were both PayPal deals and I got a refund on both when they didn't care to respond to them either. If they just refuse to provide shipping info or close the deal there isn't much you can do from a practical standpoint. EBay won't care as long as nobody is out money and they collect the auction fee regardless. The garbage about "binding contracts" is only pursued for high-ticket stuff. You see them on People's Court and Judge Judy now and then. If you bad feedback them they will probably do the same with a sob story blaming you. A warning though - if they relist it do NOT email the bidders that bid on it. EBay _will_ punish _you_ for interfering with an auction and contacting other members if someone dimes you out. Yeah, it sucks. Ray "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message news:ZK2dnRhkkM5A7_venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@gbronline.com... > John Byrns wrote: >> Since the subject of eBay is near and dear to most everyone on this >> group, >> I thought I would ask if anyone has had any experience with how eBay >> deals >> with "Non-selling Sellers"? The seller in an auction where I was the >> high >> bidder seems to want to welsh on the deal, so I am wondering what my >> options are? The seller didn't set a high enough starting bid, or use a >> reserve, and I am sure he expected that the winning bid would contain at >> least another significant digit, and probably a higher leading digit. >> >> On a related subject, there was a discussion here a while back about >> changes eBay made to the feedback system, which as I remember it >> basically >> neutered negative feedback against sellers, does anyone remember the >> details of the changes relating negative feedback for sellers? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> John Byrns >> >> >> Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ > > Just like your bid is a contract to purchase the item at the price you bid > if you win the acution, his putting the item up for auction is a contract > to sell at the winning high bid, whether he thinks the bid was high enough > or not. Not setting a reserve or starting at a higher starting bid is his > problem, not yours. Article: 325119 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <76D9f.4023$AS6.1085@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Which war? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:56:36 GMT "Omer Suleimanagich" wrote in message news:j7E9f.2835$2y.2755@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Then that radio is one radio a few years ahead in styling! > > Omer Yes, it is one of the best plastic sets Sears ever sold by design alone IMO, and why that wooden Philco table set is fetching 150+ and almost the same chassis I gather is at 9.99 with no bidders along with the Silvertone escapes me. Perhapsft's PRICE doesn't follow suit I might try hard to own it, box and all. > "Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message > news:fcD9f.23162$wG.15657@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > > Omer Suleimanagich wrote: > > > >> Check this unit out! > >> > >> I'm not sure which war the seller was refering to > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-working-prewar-Silvertone-bakelite-radio_W0QQitemZ6574662059QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting > > > > The "Commentator" hit the streets in 1939; which - for the United > > States - was pre-WWII... > > > > best regards... > > -- > > randy guttery > > > > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews > > so vital to the United States Silent Service: > > http://tendertale.com > > Article: 325120 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Good Philco day. Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:14:49 GMT Just spent most of the evening working on a little Philco 40-81T. It's a little BCB-only portable covered in airplane cloth. I bought in an eBay auction from a seller in Winnipeg. It arrived promptly, and met the description and photos well, too. Some prior owner had put long extension wires on the battery harness with a total of three plugs. These, and the original battery harness were rubber-covered wire, and pretty crisp. I pulled the chassis out of the cabinet, and replaced the rotten wires with some plastic-coated ones I stripped out of an old PC power supply. Replaced all the paper caps with mylars, and replaced the lone 8 uF electrolytic. The wafer tube sockets (octal) in this set don't have holes in the lugs; component wires are wrapped around them. PITA to re-cap it. There were rubber-insulated wires leading from each IF can, but they appeared intact, if stiff, so I left well-enough alone. Gave the volume control a shot of cleaner/lube, and powered it up with a D cell for the A supply, and a stack of 9 volt transistor batteries for the B. Turned it on, and it began playing right away. Seemed to have a flaky connection at the convertor tube, so I shut it down, and carefully pinched the socket pins with needle-nose pliers. Put the chassis back in the cabinet, and hooked up the loop antenna again (it's wrapped around the outside of the cabinet, under the cloth covering). Reconnected the batteries, turned it on, and it plays just fine, other than cutting out once more, apparently still due to a flaky connection associated with the 1A7G. But it's been playing steadily now for about a half hour, getting good reception on 580 kHz >from a station over 150 miles distant. And I'm in the basement right now. I have to say I'm impressed with its sensitivity. And it has pretty decent tone quality, too. The only thing missing is the back of the cabinet, which apparently incorporates the battery holder, given as there is no sign of any elsewhere in the cabinet. But I'm sure I can make an effective replacement. Anybody know where I can get some matching airplane cloth? What motivated me to get this particular set is that this past summer, I saw a nearly identical set at the Studebaker Drivers Club International Meet in Spokane, Washington. Identical in nearly all respects, except it bore a little "Studebaker" badge on the front panel between the speaker grille and the dialcover. Apparently Philco had a marketing arrangement with Studebaker to brand the radio as Studebaker and sell it as an accessory for the automobile. Back then, you could get fitted luggage, and other nifty accessories, too. Philco did make the car radio for these models, too. Seeing as I have a 1940 Champion, this little radio would be a perfect period accessory. And funny thing, it has a faint pale spot right where that Studebaker badge would go. I wonder if there are any identifying numbers on the chassis that would confirm whether it was indeed branded for Studebaker (or maybe another car maker)? I couldn't even find the model number on the chassis, but was able to positively identify it by a picture on philcoradio.com It does have P 8386 stamped in the rear panel of the chassis, and it is a Canadian-made Philco, as evidenced by "made in Canada" marks on a number of the caps and tubes. In any case, once I put a back on the case, it'll look cool in the trunk of my car. I'm really delighted to have found this radio, and even more delighted that it was a relatively easy matter to make it play again. Gordon Richmond Article: 325121 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:08:34 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Zenith 10-S-567 question References: <5sidm1tj7eslq2r2fjkgs6d30a9j5sumsc@4ax.com> Message-ID: <1d66a$43674cb5$4232bd23$28645@COQUI.NET> Blacksmith wrote: > The bass, treble, etc push buttons on the left of the dial. > Are there supposed to be springs in the control to keep the buttons > out, or do you have to pull them out with your fingernails to > disengage them? > > The buttons push in but then stay in. My Zenith is as you describe. No springs. You must wear long fingernails to disengage the buttons. -Bill Article: 325122 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:14:05 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Looking for x-tals: 740, 1240 or 1250 khz References: Message-ID: Stephanie Weil wrote: > Hi folks. > > I'm looking for a crystal for either 740, 1240 or 1250 khz. It's for a small AM transmitter. > > Would anyone have one they could sell or know someplace I could order just one? You should be able to order just one from JAN Crystals. Getting up in the $25 range counting mailing, etc. Ouch! If you could use one in the 1020-1080 range I have a bunch of those. -Bill Article: 325123 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:21:09 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4367058f$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Message-ID: Paul Dietenberger wrote: > Story here, if anybody cares to read it. > http://personalpages.tds.net/~pdieten/silvertone4587.html > > This is my first complete console cabinet refinish. Be gentle.... :-) > > Regards, paul > > > Nice job. I like those huge-dial consoles. -Bill Article: 325124 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: APEX Super Five From: "LOP" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:43:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1130856336_891@spool6-east.superfeed.net> I have purchased an Apex Super Five and it is missing the wooden cabinet part just above the radio front panel. Did some of these radios come with this part not included or did my radio just come with this part missing? Thanks, Don and Liz ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Article: 325125 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> <3sn7hkFp374gU1@individual.net> <1130857893.982379.240560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sparton Bluebird Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:27:28 GMT Path: monger.newsread.com!newshog.newsread.com!news-toy.newsread.com!yellow.newsre ad.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news.glorb.com!postnews. google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: CitibankMoneytransfer@gmail.com Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Sparton Bluebird Date: 1 Nov 2005 07:11:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1130857893.982379.240560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> <3sn7hkFp374gU1@individual.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.139.169.195 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1130857899 25754 127.0.0.1 (1 Nov 2005 15:11:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:11:39 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Crazy Browser 2.0.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 vplus.qkon.com:3128 (Squid/2.4.STABLE7) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.139.169.195; posting-account=TfiDxw0AAACT2crVZmW4SAverqxSFKAL Xref: news-toy.newsread.com rec.antiques.radio+phono:451473 wrote in message news:1130857893.982379.240560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > WE WILL LIKE TO BUY PHONES FROM YOU SO REPLY US BACK > > > > CITI BANK > Article: 325126 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <80A9f.908$ZA3.213356@monger.newsread.com> <1130815039.190391.320680@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130844636.240667.151690@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:29:01 GMT I don't want that much money. I want the Silvertone plastic set I saw yesterday. "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130844636.240667.151690@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I will do you one better: > > I will put up $100,000 in a bond at any bank we agree upon and in any > similar location. > This $100,000 will be yours on December 31, 2005; in time for one > helluva New Year's Party. This money would be put up on/before November > 30, 2005. > > To earn this money you must: > > Starting on December 1, 2005; you send me $0.01. Or, you post this > amount in the same bank as used above bonded to me. > On December 2, 2005; you send me $0.02 as above. > On December 3, 2005; you send me $0.04 as above. > On December 4, 2005; you send me $0.08 as above. > On December 5, 2005; you send me $0.16 as above. > > And so-forth in this series until you send me your last payment as > above on December 30. > > > Any takers? > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 325127 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Good Philco day. Message-ID: References: <1130865037.644949.88490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:08:53 GMT Neil, It's pretty much a dead ringer for the 40-81T in the gallery section of philcoradio.com. I'm pressed for time right now, but when I get a chance, I'll take a digital picture and e-mail it to you. I did make a back for the set out of piece of 1/8" plywood, and taped the batteries to it. If I can round up a piece of airplane cloth, I'll make a proper back that incorporates battery holders. The radio is still intermittent, and I have a hunch that there is a bad solder joint within the base of the 1A7G tube. The base is a little loose on the glass envelope. Gordon Richmond Article: 325128 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:13:58 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: APEX Super Five References: <1130856336_891@spool6-east.superfeed.net> Message-ID: <1fc68$4367b06a$4232bd81$12117@COQUI.NET> LOP wrote: > I have purchased an Apex Super Five and it is missing the wooden cabinet > part just above the radio front panel. Did some of these radios come with > this part not included or did my radio just come with this part missing? > > Thanks, Don and Liz I had a 5-tube Apex, can't recall if it was the Super Five, but it was also missing this piece. I think it just slipped into place after the chassis was slid into place. Being a 'loose part' I can see how these might go astray. -Bill Article: 325129 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Hickok 546 and Loktals References: <1130860219.525508.302180@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:59:35 -0600 TopCat wrote: > I am trying to resurrect a badly abused Philco 40-145. > > I have an obscure Hickok model 546 (similar to obscure 547 and 548). I > tried to test the loktals, 7G7,7J7,7B7, and 7B5 and I got strange > results. > If anyone has one of these testers I would appreciate it if you would > verify the settings for the 7G7. Also, is there some kind of damage to > the grid that can cause this sort of thing? Well - it's been almost 4 years - so maybe it's time to re-post a "chalk talk" on the wild and crazy world of Hickok tube tester - esp. the TV-Xs With only a couple of exceptions (which you'll know by them being *TOTALLY* different)- there are two "schemes" for Hickok switch matrix - *straight* 1 to 1 (i.e. switch position 1 goes to pin 1, etc.) and *bus* - where the sockets are wired in such a way that the majority of tubes can be tested with a minimum of switch changes. A little history. In the beginning - there were triodes. Triodes have three elements - and require four pins to make the connections. When the industry settled on some "standards" the basic 4 pin tube as we know it emerged - the EIA base 4D - The filament was between pins 1 & 4 - the Plate was pin 2 and the grid pin 3. This is the base for '01s, 199s, 26s, 45s, etc. Then came the AC triode - with it's isolated cathode. A new pin was needed - but for whatever reason - the decision was made to leave the filament on the first & last pins (now 1 & 5) -- the plate and grid remained on 2 & 3 - with the new cathode connected to the now available pin 4. As more elements were added - the connections were made by either adding another pin to the base and / or a grid cap - but through 7 pins - one thing remained (with few exceptions) - the filament was always the first and last pins. Then came octals. The elements were scrambled - *but* - in the great majority of cases - the filament wound up between pins 2 & 7. Then came "the rest" - but even among them there are some "majorities" in which the filaments "wind up" on the same pins - 7 pin minis: 3 & 4; 9 pin minis: 4 & 5; Loktals: 1 & 8. Fast times on the TV-x's: Somebody in the military figured out that much time (and possibly wear) could be saved - if the tube testers could be wired such that certain switch settings would cover the largest possible number (most common) tubes without having to change the switches --- hence the advent of the "bus" wiring topology in many of the TV-x's. The various sockets are wired such that the most common *functional* pins are common: so - bus 1 (coming from the switch bank's #1 position(s)) goes to: Socket Pin 4Pin 1 5Pin 1 6Pin 1 7Pin 1 Octal 2 Loktal 1 7PinMini 3 9PinMini 4 and so on. The "second" bus is similar - but remember - this it's *usually* the other end of the filament - which is usually the last pin (with the noted exceptions): Socket Pin 4Pin 4 5Pin 5 6Pin 6 7Pin 7 Octal 7 Loktal 8 7PinMini 4 9PinMini 5 and so on. So here is the thrust of the point: without changing the filament selector switches - the greatest number of tubes can be tested - as one "setting" is wired to the "most common" pins on the sockets - at least for the filaments. And for those tubes that are "exceptions" - well - you've got the other switch positions to accommodate those. What about the "other" busses? Plate Grid, screen and suppresser? Fortunately - they are wired 1 - 1 - except when they "cross" the filament. Let's take a common tube as an example: 6SK7: F1=2 F2=7 G=4 P=8 Scn=6 C=5 Sup=3 In a 1:1 scheme - you just set the switches as above. In a "bus" scheme - you have to reverse two leads - as they "cross" the filament (remember - in an octal pin2 is really on bus 1; Pin 7 is on Bus 8). OK - 2&1 are crossed - but pin one (on the tube) is a shield - not used - so ignored. Pins 7 & 8 are crossed - 8 is the plate - so set the plate *switch* to 7. Cathode, grid, screen and suppresser are unaffected - so set them as above. Is this correct? Let's see what the setup chart for a 6SK7 for a TV-10 is: JR4-7653 So yes, it works. Wait a minute - what about the filament???? JR isn't 1 & 8 as I count them! or are they? Well - yes and no. First - the filament switches - for whatever reason - have 10 positions - A - K / P - Z - while the greatest socket pin number is pin 9. Positions A (switch 1) and P (switch 2) do *not* connect the filament source(s) to the sockets - i.e. an "off" position if you will. So position B (switch 1) and R (switch 2) are pin -- (ooops - see even I screw it up once in a while!!!!) are *bus* one... and so on --- Here are the assignments: Bus Sw1 Sw2 -(off) A P 1 B R 2 C S 3 D T 4 E U 5 F V 6 G W 7 H X 8 J Y 9 K Z So reading here - we see that JR selects bus 8 & 1 - which in the case of the octal socket - are pins 7 & 2. (why they go 7 - 2 instead of 2 - 7 *I think* has to due with the phasing of the filament vs. the grid signal when working with direct heated cathodes - but this is a guess). So.... yes - it's a bit of a pain for testing tubes from the manual rather than a chart - but you can work it out with a bit of thought - and a little reminder from a "bus chart"... Here is the "bus chart" for this "scheme": Pin Buss Pin Buss Pin Buss Pin Buss 4 Pin 1 1 5 Pin 1 1 6 Pin 1 1 7 Pin 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 8 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 8 5 5 5 5 6 8 6 6 7 8 mini7 1 3 acorn 1 1 in-line1 1 submini1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 8 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 8 6 6 6 6 7 7 7 6 7 7 7 7 bottom 7 8 8 Octal 1 2 Locktal 1 1 noval 1 1 2 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 8 7 7 7 7 8 7 8 8 8 8 9 9 And of course - being this is a crazy scheme anyway - the last tube socket on the bus is an exception from the scheme - the noval (9 pin miniature) is wired 1:1... so most filaments wind up EV... go figure. Anyway - to set the tester for a tube using a tube manual (rather than chart)- just translate the pin numbers from the book - to the bus number for the appropriate socket from the table. Here is an easy way to do it - again using a 6SK7 as an example: jot down the elements in a column - and note the basing pin numbers from the manual for that tube. Using the table above - make appropriate "swaps".... (and using the number to letter for the filament switches) Elem. By the book Translate (octal) F 7 7 -> 8 -> J F 2 2 -> 1 -> R G 4 4 -> 4 P 8 8 -> 7 S 6 6 -> 6 C 5 5 -> 5 S 3 3 -> 3 then reading down = JR47653 (we've seen this somewhere before). It can (and probably will) be debated whether the "bus scheme" really saves on time and wear and tear. In the military - a tech wasn't likely to run across a tube that wasn't in the chart(s) - so the ability to test "from the manual" was considered unimportant. I keep a copy of the table handy (one in the techman - another tacked up by the bench) for those rare times I do need to fly by the seat of my pants... And for those tubes (like the short pin 99s) that don't have a socket - you can easily make an adapter with 9 color alligator leads soldered to an old 9 pin header 1:1 and then the Hickok switches can be set 1:1: 1 - Brown 2 - Red 3 - Orange 4 - Yellow 5 - Green 6 - Blue 7 - Purple (ok Violet) 8 - Gray 9 - White Obviously - you could use only 8 leads and use the Loctal socket - or - wire the "reverses" in and use the octal socket... Then there is the bias control. If one is "flying by the seat of their pants" - one needs to know where to set the thing. Here are is a table that will get you in the ballpark: 0=0.0V 30= 5.5V 60=17V 90=34V 5=0.5V 35= 7.5V 65=19V 95=38V 10=0.75V 40= 9.0V 70=22V 100=40V 15=1.5V 45=10.0V 75=25V 20=2.5V 50=12.0V 80=28V 25=4.0V 55=15.0V 85=31V Note: (this part thanks to Alan Douglas - Mr. Test Equipment) you also need to consider the P-P test voltage on the grid - (which in most Hickoks is 1.414V, 2.828V or 14.14V depending on the range switch setting) - otherwise you'll drive the grid positive... Take for instance a V99 - tube data calls for -4.5V bias - (which would be a setting of around 27 or so) yet the Hickok tube chart lists 55 - (15V) you can see that this will keep the grid from going positive. So one thing you can do is to test a known good tube - note what bias setting produces the "expected" gM, and test the suspect tube using that. Alternatively - if you know another tube type that is similar that you DO have the bias setting for - then obviously - use that. Since we're mostly interested in whether the tube is just good or bad at this point - a little common sense and trial and error should tell us at least that. You might want to keep a notebook with your tester to record the settings once you figure them out. Last thing on testing - remaining tube life. Most Hickok TV-Xs don't have a "life test" switch - but Hickok suggest (in most TV-x manuals) that you reduce the filament voltage a notch and watch the meter - if it doesn't drop much (less than 20%) - the tube likely has a long life - i.e. plenty of reserve capacity. However - if the meter drops a lot (more than 20%) - the tube is on it's last legs- with little to no reserve capacity. Hope this helps more than it confuses... (and again thanks to Alan for his input on this) best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 325130 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:10:37 -0500 Message-ID: <11mffdfrs09bdb1@corp.supernews.com> References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4367058f$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Mark Oppat wrote: > affordable, excellent sets. They > sell for reasonable prices, USED to sell anyway- http://cgi.ebay.com/Art-deco-Antique-Tube-Radio-Silvertone-floor-Console_W0QQitemZ6572300860 http://cgi.ebay.com/Silvertone-Console-Wood-Radio-4586-BEAUTIFUL-Case_W0QQitemZ6570248594 John H. Article: 325131 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:14:28 -0500 Message-ID: <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/110105dntexpastorfolo.162de6d6.html > > > For those who don't wish to register, here is the link to this same story I posted on this thread yesterday- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main995829.shtml Things like this make me feel less guilty, knowing other people read the whole thread as infrequently or even less often than I do :) John H. Article: 325132 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Sparton Bluebird Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:20:32 -0500 Message-ID: <11mfg034i1ad64f@corp.supernews.com> References: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> <3sn7hkFp374gU1@individual.net> <1130857893.982379.240560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> CitibankMoneytransfer@gmail.com wrote: > WE WILL LIKE TO BUY PHONES FROM YOU SO REPLY US BACK > That's phonO, not PHONE, you Nigerian bozo!! John H. Article: 325133 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4367058f$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> <11mffdfrs09bdb1@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:32:57 GMT Now Ken G. can stop giving me crap. "Hagstar" wrote in message news:11mffdfrs09bdb1@corp.supernews.com... > Mark Oppat wrote: > > > affordable, excellent sets. They > > sell for reasonable prices, > > USED to sell anyway- > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Art-deco-Antique-Tube-Radio-Silvertone-floor-Console_W0QQitemZ6572300860 > http://cgi.ebay.com/Silvertone-Console-Wood-Radio-4586-BEAUTIFUL-Case_W0QQitemZ6570248594 > > John H. > > > Article: 325134 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> <3sn7hkFp374gU1@individual.net> <1130857893.982379.240560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <11mfg034i1ad64f@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Sparton Bluebird Message-ID: <8rP9f.969$ZA3.223632@monger.newsread.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:34:28 GMT Why do you assume the Nigerians are the stoopids doing this? nevermind... "Hagstar" wrote in message news:11mfg034i1ad64f@corp.supernews.com... > CitibankMoneytransfer@gmail.com wrote: > > > WE WILL LIKE TO BUY PHONES FROM YOU SO REPLY US BACK > > > > That's phonO, not PHONE, you Nigerian bozo!! > > John H. > Article: 325135 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <76D9f.4023$AS6.1085@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <-aednTlFj9GVI_reRVn-ug@giganews.com> Subject: Re: Which war? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:37:20 GMT Yeah, but I don't think I could afford it where I think it's going. One of us is nibbling at it too. If you are serious, email privately and I'll keep looking or leave accordingly. "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:-aednTlFj9GVI_reRVn-ug@giganews.com... > Some people call that model the "Candy Cane" for obvious reasons. I believe > it was also produced with an ivory cabinet and red "cane" & buttons. > > Phil Nelson > > Article: 325136 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: WTB: Missing Cabinet Pert for apex Super Five From: "LOP" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:45:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1130874498_1183@spool6-east.superfeed.net> I am missing the horizontal cabinet piece the mounts above the radio front panel. If you have one of these for sale please contact me. Don and Liz ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Article: 325137 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:57:21 GMT Wireless mike for the Darwin Award winner, huh... "Hagstar" wrote in message news:11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com... > > > Peter Wieck wrote: > > > http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/110105dntexpastorfolo.162de6d6.html > > > > > > > > For those who don't wish to register, here is the link to this same > story I posted on this thread yesterday- > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main995829.shtml > > Things like this make me feel less guilty, knowing other people read the > whole thread as infrequently or even less often than I do :) > > John H. > Article: 325138 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:59:19 GMT Yay. That's enough for those who couldn't rent enough action flicks this week. "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message news:BMP9f.975$ZA3.223698@monger.newsread.com... > Wireless mike for the Darwin Award winner, huh... > > "Hagstar" wrote in message > news:11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > > Peter Wieck wrote: > > > > > > http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/110105dntexpastorfolo.162de6d6.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't wish to register, here is the link to this same > > story I posted on this thread yesterday- > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main995829.shtml > > > > Things like this make me feel less guilty, knowing other people read the > > whole thread as infrequently or even less often than I do :) > > > > John H. > > > > Article: 325139 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: Subject: Re: eBay and "Non-selling Sellers"? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:49:40 GMT John Byrns wrote: > Since the subject of eBay is near and dear to most everyone on this > group, [cut] ..May 2005, thread 'eBay seller remorse'.. i was reporting something similar, the auction was the 6531789949 (no pictures but still readable here). The seller wasn't shipping to Italy but..: The item was a Zenith shutterdial, pictures were showing a very good chassis, very nice to see too. > just a question to ask you if could be troubles in shipping this chassis to > ITALY. > Many thanks, > Daniele ---- 18 May Daniele, Hello, I am willing to ship the chassis to Italy but I do ask that international bidders pay via paypal (including an extra handling fee equal to 3.9% of the total cost). Thank you, Scott ---- ...................auction ended.. Hello Danielle & thank you for your high bid on the radio chassis. Unfortunately I have some bad news; I dropped the radio chassis while I was trying to take it off its shelf in order to pack it. It hit the concrete floor in my basement & was badly damaged. Obviously I don't expect you to send payment for the radio chassis now that it is a mess. I'm sorry about this accident & hope you'll accept my apology. Thank you, Scott > Hi Scott, > that's really a bad notice, but i have a couple of other > 'abandoned' shutterdial chassis that will help, you may want > to send me some pictures, we can evaluate the damage > and then complete transaction positively with a serious offer. > Daniele Hello Danielle, I'm sorry to tell you I threw the chassis out in yesterdays garbage. I was so annoyed with myself for dropping the chassis I just wanted to get rid of it and forget it. It landed top down so most of the tubes were broke but I salvaged a few if you are interested. Best regards, Scott ---------------------------------------------- End. -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 325140 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:48:14 +0900 Message-ID: References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message news:BMP9f.975$ZA3.223698@monger.newsread.com... > Wireless mike for the Darwin Award winner, huh... Now that's really rude, and cold. I'm thinking maybe some jail time for whomever wired the church... or cut the ground pin off the PA cord.. no way this should/could have happened with proper wiring. Article: 325141 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <11mfotthkls11b8@corp.supernews.com> References: <433ddae4$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4342cde8$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <4367058f$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> <11mffdfrs09bdb1@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > > > USED to sell anyway- To be fair, my own gold dial console was eighty bucks at Kutztown. John H. Article: 325142 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:23:19 GMT In article <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, menwagoh@msn.com says... > > >Ebay item 5823812792, 5 6F6 tubes. Seller's original listing said I would be worried a whole lot more about the fact that this seller is a zero newbie who is selling some high buck tubes... some may be looking pretty soon for a guido collector in the sellers area me thinks.... I have seen those numbers in front of those tubes someplace else other than on this guys auctions.. just don't remember where. John k9uwa Article: 325143 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Hickok 546 and Loktals References: <1130860219.525508.302180@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:33:30 GMT Did you have look underneath the socket to make sure everything is A OK as far as the connections and wiring are concerned? TopCat wrote: > I am trying to resurrect a badly abused Philco 40-145. > > I have an obscure Hickok model 546 (similar to obscure 547 and 548). I > tried to test the loktals, 7G7,7J7,7B7, and 7B5 and I got strange > results. All of them pegged the meter when testing Gm on the highest > scale (0-10000). Two other tubes from the same radio tested as shorted. > My tester did not come with a chart so I have been using a chart from a > TV3/U. It's been working OK. I have checked the calibration on the > tester and seems to be OK. The bias setting for the 7G7 is 18. This > should be about 2.3 volts according to one website. I measured 2.5v DC > grid to cathode. The signal measures 5.1 VAC. Plate was 150 or so and > screen was about 125 if I remember correctly. Reducing the signal to 1v > (signal low switch) still has them reading way high but on scale. > Cranking the bias up to 36 brings Gm down to where I expected it to be > (for the 7G7). > > If anyone has one of these testers I would appreciate it if you would > verify the settings for the 7G7. Also, is there some kind of damage to > the grid that can cause this sort of thing? > > Thanks > Article: 325144 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:45:53 -0700 Message-ID: <7360-43681A51-1069@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: Steven if i were you i would put that radio on ebay tomorrow . make sure to mention all the holes in it . Article: 325145 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" Subject: WTB:chassis for Mot VT71, 73, or 9VT1 TV set Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:17:02 GMT Hi Guys and Gals, As the heading says, I'm looking a chassis for an early Motorola TV that uses electrostatic deflection. I don't need the cabinet, CRT, or even the tubes. All of the transformers and coils need to be good (continuity test will do). Preferably unmolested. The cheaper, the better of course.... Steve Article: 325146 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:23:48 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: who do you recommend to rewind xformer? References: <1130897411.248150.100050@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Eddie Brimer wrote: > power transformer. thanks. > Eddie, I only know of one guy and his prices to rewind would be considerably higher than getting a new custom-made one from Heyboer. -Bill Article: 325147 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" References: <1130897411.248150.100050@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: who do you recommend to rewind xformer? Message-ID: <3LV9f.3140$2y.1977@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:45:19 GMT I had these guys in Chatsworth ,California make a replicate with updated materials for my German Telefunken Opus 55 last year. http://www.jacksonengineering.com/low-bandwidth/ If they could make a copy of a foreign transformer , they can do anything! Most of all they take great pride in their work and are affordable. Omer "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1130897411.248150.100050@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > power transformer. thanks. > Article: 325148 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Coincidence at the AK Corral? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:07:05 -0500 "Audiokarma.org has experienced a database corruption. Please bear with us, as we work to repair and recover from this issue." This, right after an interesting week of light banter and cheery good feelings. ::koff:: No, really. Article: 325149 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: <1130877755.306648.113250@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 03:13:21 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > David: > > You dodged a bullet... We are all thankful for that. I guess your > destination was not yet ready for you... and that speaks well of you > (hee hee). In my case, it's as the old Irish saying goes... "God doesn't want ya, and the Devil's afraid you'll take over." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 325150 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:32:31 -0800 Message-ID: References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > > > Peter Wieck wrote: > >> http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/110105dntexpastorfolo.162de6d6.html >> >> >> >> > > For those who don't wish to register, here is the link to this same > story I posted on this thread yesterday- > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main995829.shtml two words: wireless mike three more words: battery operated PA What a senseless tragedy. -Scott Article: 325151 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:45:28 -0800 Message-ID: References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> Brenda Ann wrote: > "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message > news:BMP9f.975$ZA3.223698@monger.newsread.com... > >>Wireless mike for the Darwin Award winner, huh... > > > Now that's really rude, and cold. > > I'm thinking maybe some jail time for whomever wired the church... or cut > the ground pin off the PA cord.. no way this should/could have happened with > proper wiring. > > > Agreed, but there's simply too many variables in any wiring scheme to make using an AC powered device in this manner 100% safe 100% of the time.....How many musicians in this group have heard horror stories of performers being electrocuted when rain fell during an outdoor concert? Best to use wireless mikes for the baptisms, just like musicians now do. I hope this story gets passed around to every church in the country. -Scott Article: 325152 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: donlk@webtv.net (Gridleak) Subject: Columbia motor needed Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:00:45 -0700 Message-ID: <26282-436839ED-1533@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net> I have asked most of the phono groups and will try here . I have a very nice Columbia BI phonograph that is missing the motor. I would like to make it functional instead of a display item. It requires the motor with 4 mounting bolts. DON AC7PD Article: 325153 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Zenith 10-S-567 question Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:58:29 -0800 Message-ID: References: <5sidm1tj7eslq2r2fjkgs6d30a9j5sumsc@4ax.com> <1d66a$43674cb5$4232bd23$28645@COQUI.NET> Bill wrote: > Blacksmith wrote: > >> The bass, treble, etc push buttons on the left of the dial. >> Are there supposed to be springs in the control to keep the buttons >> out, or do you have to pull them out with your fingernails to >> disengage them? >> >> The buttons push in but then stay in. > > > My Zenith is as you describe. No springs. You must wear long > fingernails to disengage the buttons. I have two of these in different cabinets, and they are both exactly as Bill describes. A great performer but definitely a set for the ladies. -Scott Article: 325154 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: <11mgfhqereql944@corp.supernews.com> References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> Scott W. Harvey wrote: > > > I hope this story gets passed around to every church in the country. > > As a Catholic baby, I just had a half a cup of holy water poured on my head. This baptistery stuff sounds like a lot of effort, and a touch of risk evidentially..... John H. PS- Or is that Holy Water? From adouglasatgis.net Fri Nov 4 07:53:53 EST 2005 Article: 325155 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:03:37 -0500 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <76OdnT4meeiv5vveRVn-ug@giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-696.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.glorb.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:325155 Hi, >The movie "Lethal Vows" has a murder plot based on salvaging poisonous >selenium from old rectifiers. Elemental selenium is not particularly toxic. There have been studies of ranchers who live in areas with high selenium content in the soil. No one ever died and symptoms are always reversible, though grazing animals are affected more. They probably chose selenium precisely because no one could ever "get the idea" from the movie and do any harm. Alan My source is a book "Selenium" by Zingaro and Cooper, which has a whole chapter on toxicology. Article: 325156 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <2mX9f.34337$ty1.15002@bignews1.bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:37:55 -0600 Scott W. Harvey wrote: > Brenda Ann wrote: > >> "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message >> news:BMP9f.975$ZA3.223698@monger.newsread.com... >> >>> Wireless mike for the Darwin Award winner, huh... >> >> >> >> Now that's really rude, and cold. >> >> I'm thinking maybe some jail time for whomever wired the church... or >> cut the ground pin off the PA cord.. no way this should/could have >> happened with proper wiring. >> >> >> > Agreed, but there's simply too many variables in any wiring scheme to > make using an AC powered device in this manner 100% safe 100% of the > time.....How many musicians in this group have heard horror stories of > performers being electrocuted when rain fell during an outdoor concert? > Best to use wireless mikes for the baptisms, just like musicians now do. > > I hope this story gets passed around to every church in the country. > I literally knocked myself on my ass one time: set up an outdoor gig--at a lake in July--got done and jumped in the lake to cool off before sound check...climbed out, walked straight to the board and leaned into the the console talkback mic, "Check one, t..." BAM!...white light... ...woke up on my back, ten feet away, wondering what hit me. Don't try this at home, kids. > -Scott Article: 325157 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: Cap labels need for C-B 87 project Message-ID: <2qX9f.106$4C5.168445@twister.southeast.rr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 04:39:26 GMT Here is a link to a page with photos of the CORNELL DUBILIER filter caps on the C-B model 87 transmitter. http://radioheaven.homestead.com/CBparts.html As you can see the paper labels are badly damaged, I would like to find 2 caps with the same specs that have good labels. The caps can be bad, I hope to be able to steam the labels off and attach them to the existing cans. They are CORNELL DUBILIER 450V 8 MFD. Type B Please check your junk boxes for these caps. I know this is a long shot. Thanks in advance for your help. Ron Article: 325158 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 05:10:58 GMT > I put a new belt on and recapped it. Should be good to go, but I > haven't plugged it in yet. > .... > Blacksmith > > Where did you get the belt? PP Article: 325159 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve P." Subject: Re: Columbia motor needed Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:46:27 -0600 Message-ID: <11mgkli4jqi778b@corp.supernews.com> References: <26282-436839ED-1533@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net> Have you tried the Old Time Victrola Music message board? Lots of nice phono folks hang out there. http://sonoraman.proboards23.com/ "Gridleak" wrote in message news:26282-436839ED-1533@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net... >I have asked most of the phono groups and will try here . I have a very > nice Columbia BI phonograph that is missing the motor. Article: 325160 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:52:17 -0800 Message-ID: References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> <11mgfhqereql944@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > As a Catholic baby, I just had a half a cup of holy water poured on my > head. This baptistery stuff sounds like a lot of effort, and a touch of > risk evidentially..... It appears that some of the more orthodox or fundamentalist Christian sects seem to be fond of the full dunking treatment. I attended a baptism a few years ago where a newborn was briefly dunked completely underwater by the priest. The kid was pissed, to say the least. -Scott Article: 325161 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:24:07 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:51:19 +0000, David Stinson wrote: > I work on solid state stuff all day long. > 12-48 volts leads to complacency. > Lack of rest can also cost you. > > NEVER work on boatanchor radios > when you're tired or distracted! > It's so easy to get in the habit of just > grabbing stuff when it's only got 12 volts on it. > Like checking to see if that resistor is getting hot. > 500 volts HURTS. BAD. > > Damn lucky to still be breathing. > I got away with a burn, bruises from > falling over and a knot on my head. > Pure, God-given dumb luck. > > Don't be stupid like me. > > Stop. Think. Go SLOW. > Stay Alive. > > Dave S. Boat anchors and transmitters aren't the only way to do it. I just finished a breadboard using a solid-state op-amp running on +350 and -50V. It's only about 3" X 6" including the DC to DC converters. Now I get to test it. After that, it gets a plastic cover with a high voltage warning label on it. Be careful. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 325162 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Coincidence at the AK Corral? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:48:37 GMT "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message news:v3W9f.4940$LF3.497557@news20.bellglobal.com... > "Audiokarma.org has experienced a database corruption. Please bear with us, > as we work to repair and recover from this issue." > > This, right after an interesting week of light banter and cheery good > feelings. ::koff:: No, really. I wondered why I couldn't sign in or even get my password working...here I had blamed Grumpy...tsk. Article: 325163 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:51:44 GMT I was being sarcastic for another gem from the other poster. Why do you need a damned microphone in a font, anyway. "Brenda Ann" wrote in message news:dk8nll$j34$1@news2.kornet.net... > > "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message > news:BMP9f.975$ZA3.223698@monger.newsread.com... > > Wireless mike for the Darwin Award winner, huh... > > Now that's really rude, and cold. > > I'm thinking maybe some jail time for whomever wired the church... or cut > the ground pin off the PA cord.. no way this should/could have happened with > proper wiring. > > > Article: 325164 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> <1130870861.316413.254370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mffkmhqhr41f1@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:52:57 GMT That Ralphs guy in Free was killed by his own amp shorting... "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:dk9cos02j12@news1.newsguy.com... > Brenda Ann wrote: > > "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message > > news:BMP9f.975$ZA3.223698@monger.newsread.com... > > > >>Wireless mike for the Darwin Award winner, huh... > > > > > > Now that's really rude, and cold. > > > > I'm thinking maybe some jail time for whomever wired the church... or cut > > the ground pin off the PA cord.. no way this should/could have happened with > > proper wiring. > > > > > > > Agreed, but there's simply too many variables in any wiring scheme to > make using an AC powered device in this manner 100% safe 100% of the > time.....How many musicians in this group have heard horror stories of > performers being electrocuted when rain fell during an outdoor concert? > Best to use wireless mikes for the baptisms, just like musicians now do. > > I hope this story gets passed around to every church in the country. > > -Scott Article: 325165 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <7360-43681A51-1069@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Silvertone 4587A console Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:57:10 GMT "Ken G." wrote in message news:7360-43681A51-1069@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net... > Steven if i were you i would put that radio on ebay tomorrow . make sure > to mention all the holes in it . I bought a better speaker (field coil) so I hope it helps. Ugly or not, I will pass away with it in the living room. Article: 325166 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Good Philco day. Message-ID: References: <1130865037.644949.88490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130903403.656029.161750@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:19:46 GMT Neil, This cloth looks like it was woven from thin ribbons about a millimeter wide, and then varnished. There are accent stripes: a pair of narrow brown ones about 1/4" wide centered on the centerline of the carry handle, and then a pair of 1/2" wide brown stripes flanking them, and spaced about 3/8" away from the inner stripes. Kind of looks like a faint red stripe surrounding the rear wide stripe, but I think it is the result of the rubber insulation on the loop antenna having discoloured the fabric from its underside. Base colour of the fabric is a tan or straw colour, and it is clearly sun-faded on top. I'll keep an eye peeled at Value Village for an old suitcase; I remember that this was once a popular finish for luggage. Gordon Richmond Article: 325167 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:28:10 GMT The day's brand of decorum leaves no reason to dismay, or I would have exited 4 years ago. Your style is not what elicits such reactions. I am very sorry that you feel trivialized or at the least slighted or ignored. Patience and persistance seem to be very good virtues to own while here. As for Audiokarma, Tim (Kamakiri), let go for a while two years ago and let his underlings play with napalm and BBQ torch lighters. His "return" helped but the whole of the group looks more like a stupid guy clique than a cohesive audio site with forums now. Steven "Jeff, WB8NHV" wrote in message news:1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > No, I don't think I have the wrong group. Frankly, I am getting sick > and tired of seeing my posts to this group responded to by sarcasm or > jokes. (I get the same thing at audiokarma.org, but that's another > story.) I am only trying to be helpful when I do post here. I'm not an > electrical engineer, but I have been a ham radio operator over 30 years > and been very interested in electronics of all sorts since I was eight > years old (I'm 49 now). Please, gentlemen, tell me just what on earth > it is (if anything) I am or may be doing wrong. If this group is only > intended for degreed EEs, tell me and I will quietly bow out. However, > I will not tolerate having my posts laughed at or otherwise not being > taken seriously. As I mentioned above, I am only trying to help. I'm > very sorry some of you don't seem to see it that way. Why can't you > guys treat me as you treat everyone else in this forum? I don't see you > being sarcastic with anyone else's posts here. For Pete's sake, why me? > > Thanks for reading. > > 73 (best of regards), > > Jeff, WB8NHV > Fairport, Ohio USA > Article: 325168 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gene McCluney Subject: Re: packard bell console question References: <1129443632.93d15ef9cd3258845edaa493da24b0ff@teranews> <0PGdneXe2rKRMs_eRVn-uw@look.ca> <1129496388.39294f30002769b303788cefab927c2b@teranews> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:56:27 GMT In article <1129496388.39294f30002769b303788cefab927c2b@teranews>, "william_b_noble" wrote: > you may be right that it was a second record player - there is a light above > it, which suggests that it was something you needed to see, but since there > are two tone arms on the record recorder, I had sort of figured that it > would be the record player - but maybe not. > "k35454" wrote in message > news:0PGdneXe2rKRMs_eRVn-uw@look.ca... > > > > "william_b_noble" wrote in message > > news:1129443632.93d15ef9cd3258845edaa493da24b0ff@teranews... > > so, I picked up this nice packard bell console - 1941 or 42 vintage (no > > model # yet, I'll get it later) - it has a pushbutton radio, a record > > recording/player under the lid on top, and a second, obviously installed > > later record player behind a door next to the radio. I'm trying to figure > > out what might have originally been behind that door- anyone got any > > thoughts? > > > > -- > > Bill > > This is not a mystery. It is so simple. All consumer record cutter decks were manual playback, single disc. Most people wanted to stack and play a whole bunch of 78's. As I am sure every one knows, symphonies and longer works were manufactured in sequence suitable for stack type record changers, so a whole longer work could be listened to without attention, except to turn over the stack. Only way to do this was to incorporate an additional changer for that purpose. Thus, to offer a unit with all the features of a standard record player/radio combo, plus the added feature of a recorder, it was necessary to have two turntables. Gene McCluney > > Article: 325169 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? Message-ID: <_e%9f.3236$2y.1209@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:00:42 GMT If a retired Grundig /SABA EE on Radiomuseum.org describes in detail how to replace selenium to a silicon bridge rectifier, using four 0.0047 ceramic caps to snub the rectifier, with an adequate dropping resistor adjusted to the necessary B+, that's good enough proof that you are staying within the principles of your radio restoration! No hollow or solid state diatribe here, just common sense! As for what you do with a restoration project involving a poorly designed rectifier circuits that toasts your tranny, the choices presented in this forum all have valid points. I think that there is a reason that Grundig , Telefunken, and others in the fifties used selenium for rectifying B+, and it is testimony on why tubes suck for rectifying a circuit! Anyways, my $0.02 Omer "Jeff, WB8NHV" wrote in message news:1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > No, I don't think I have the wrong group. Frankly, I am getting sick > and tired of seeing my posts to this group responded to by sarcasm or > jokes. (I get the same thing at audiokarma.org, but that's another > story.) I am only trying to be helpful when I do post here. I'm not an > electrical engineer, but I have been a ham radio operator over 30 years > and been very interested in electronics of all sorts since I was eight > years old (I'm 49 now). Please, gentlemen, tell me just what on earth > it is (if anything) I am or may be doing wrong. If this group is only > intended for degreed EEs, tell me and I will quietly bow out. However, > I will not tolerate having my posts laughed at or otherwise not being > taken seriously. As I mentioned above, I am only trying to help. I'm > very sorry some of you don't seem to see it that way. Why can't you > guys treat me as you treat everyone else in this forum? I don't see you > being sarcastic with anyone else's posts here. For Pete's sake, why me? > > Thanks for reading. > > 73 (best of regards), > > Jeff, WB8NHV > Fairport, Ohio USA > Article: 325170 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gene McCluney Subject: Re: Wester Electric 300B triode References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:12:06 GMT > How else does it compare to a 6V6 configuration beside power? Well, the 6v6 is not a triode, the 300b is. Many people feel that a triode output tube has a different sound than a pentode. The 300b was used in the push-pull output stages of some Western Electric theatre amps, which are known for good sound. The current high-fi trend among some audiophiles in the past decade has been to use single end triode output stages coupled to very efficient speakers. The amplifiers designed with very low inherit distortion, and no negative feedback. The most common tubes for this configuration are the 2a3 and the 300b, both of which are in current manufacture by several vendors. (Eastern Europe and China) Western Electric 300b are now being made again,, it seems, also. In Kansas City. Gene McCluney Article: 325171 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Wester Electric 300B triode Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:18:32 GMT Thank you for that information, I found it very helpful, as I was not aware of those facts. "Gene McCluney" wrote in message news:mccluney2-276B97.03064102112005@news1.east.earthlink.net... > > > How else does it compare to a 6V6 configuration beside power? > > > Well, the 6v6 is not a triode, the 300b is. Many people feel > that a triode output tube has a different sound than a pentode. > > The 300b was used in the push-pull output stages of some Western > Electric theatre amps, which are known for good sound. > > The current high-fi trend among some audiophiles in the past decade has > been to use single end triode output stages coupled to very efficient > speakers. The amplifiers designed with very low inherit > distortion, and no negative feedback. The most common tubes > for this configuration are the 2a3 and the 300b, both of which > are in current manufacture by several vendors. (Eastern Europe > and China) Western Electric 300b are now being made again,, > it seems, also. In Kansas City. > > Gene McCluney Article: 325172 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <5u2dncXcz_dS-tDeRVn-qQ@comcast.com> <1130930384.457746.82980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wester Electric 300B triode Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:35:55 GMT "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130930384.457746.82980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Yikes!! > > $7200/pair..... > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA Maybe they helped give the Wizard his booming, foreboding voice... Article: 325173 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:49:30 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <82618$4368b5de$4232bd39$31949@COQUI.NET> Jeff, WB8NHV wrote: > No, I don't think I have the wrong group. Frankly, I am getting sick > and tired of seeing my posts to this group responded to by sarcasm ... > I will not tolerate having my posts laughed at or otherwise not being > taken seriously. As I mentioned above, I am only trying to help. I'm > very sorry some of you don't seem to see it that way. Why can't you > guys treat me as you treat everyone else in this forum? I don't see you > being sarcastic with anyone else's posts here. For Pete's sake, why me? I must be missing something. The only thing I saw was John's (Hagstar) comment about hot-rodding antiques to be something they are not and there's a bit of communal agreement here on that topic since this group DOES at least try to imply that we are dealing with preservation/restoration/refurbing/fixing antique devices as opposed to recklessly pulling out tubes and updating to current technology. Maybe some of my killfile residents had harsher things to say but I would have missed those. I won't open the debate because its clear that some people here are 'antique radio people' and some are not. No reason for discord if you understand the opposing philosophies involved. The recommendation that "it makes good sense to replace any tube rectifiers" would certainly invite criticism from old radio afficionados and could just as easily be seen as sarcastic and not helpful. Suggestions...get to know Hagstar...grow a thicker skin and don't let such comments bother you. And you can send all those tube rectifiers to me! Rgds, Bill Article: 325174 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:07:19 GMT In article <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, jeffhs@ameritech.net says... > > > No, I don't think I have the wrong group. Frankly, I am getting sick >and tired of seeing my posts to this group responded to by sarcasm or >jokes. (I get the same thing at audiokarma.org, but that's another >story.) I am only trying to be helpful when I do post here. I'm not an >electrical engineer, but I have been a ham radio operator over 30 years >and been very interested in electronics of all sorts since I was eight >years old (I'm 49 now). Please, gentlemen, tell me just what on earth >it is (if anything) I am or may be doing wrong. If this group is only >intended for degreed EEs, tell me and I will quietly bow out. However, >I will not tolerate having my posts laughed at or otherwise not being >taken seriously. As I mentioned above, I am only trying to help. I'm >very sorry some of you don't seem to see it that way. Why can't you >guys treat me as you treat everyone else in this forum? I don't see you >being sarcastic with anyone else's posts here. For Pete's sake, why me? > > Thanks for reading. > > 73 (best of regards), > > Jeff, WB8NHV > Fairport, Ohio USA > Hi Jeff When I first read this post I said ??? Waz this?? had to go back and reread your last posts to figure out what the problem is?.. I think like Bill a little too thin skinned.. and there are definitely two groups of thought here.. the actual thread was 6x5 rectifiers that most of us agree... these thing suck... probably the worst tube rectifier ever made ... and like a lot of threads here... it sort of evolves into different topic... with seleniums mentioned along the way.. best response I saw on that was the guy that said something to the effect that the best sound a selenium makes is when it hits the bottom of a trash can.. as for education and such... I think that probably a good majority of the guys here are NOT EE's... many more of them as hobbyists like you and I are... and some hobbyists have a whole lot more training in the areas we are dealing with than others... but then thats why many of them are here is to learn a little more about the hobby... John k9uwa Article: 325175 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: <11mhf68t8ca1udd@corp.supernews.com> References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Jeff, WB8NHV wrote:\ > I don't see you > being sarcastic with anyone else's posts here. For Pete's sake, why me? > > Sorry Jeff, I was a bit rude. I guess in my case it was that you were promoting bypassing every tube rectifier on purpose on every set. Many of us here go to great trouble to KEEP tube rectifiers even if they're flaky ones like the 6X5 because to use solid state is admitting defeat and modifying the design. Also with diodes the B+ hits everything instantly with a bang before the rest of the set warms up. So transient peak voltage will be longer and higher. In my defense I am sarcastic (I hope) with everyone here I care about occasionally. As an ex New Yorker it is how we show our love (deadly serious here). BUT since I don't know you well I should have been a bit more tactful. John H. Article: 325176 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:25:23 -0500 Message-ID: <11mhfi3kttj369@corp.supernews.com> References: <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > best response I saw on that was the guy that said something > to the effect that the best sound a selenium makes is when it hits > the bottom of a trash can That was me- as a sacred ritual I sold all my cap testers and rip out ALL old paper and 'lytic caps quickly, and seleniums instantly with a fiendish laugh BWAHAHAAH! I am doing yoga exercises to forget all I ever accidentally learned about troubleshooting OEM capacitors and seleniums. That's like learning to get better at cooking spoiled meat. John H. Article: 325177 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4368c075$0$11074$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: 02 Nov 2005 13:34:45 GMT Jeff, WB8NHV wrote: > No, I don't think I have the wrong group. Frankly, I am getting sick > and tired of seeing my posts to this group responded to by sarcasm or > jokes. (I get the same thing at audiokarma.org, but that's another > story.) I am only trying to be helpful when I do post here. I'm not an You were helpfull. Some others were trying to point out, replacing tubes with solid state is not exactly original. Another possibility would be to leave the tube filament connected and mount a couple of 1N4007 under the chassis, which I might do if I encountered a tube like the 6X5. Every restorer or repairman has his own opinions on what to do. Your suggestion was, in my opinion, as good as anyone elses. I don't think you were under attack, just some people stating there are other, in their opinion better ways. - Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 325178 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbelly Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? Message-ID: <5aghm19c7kd1h3tqho2rvvkl6rf75pu6r7@4ax.com> References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:38:34 -0500 On 2 Nov 2005 00:15:05 -0800, "Jeff, WB8NHV" wrote: > No, I don't think I have the wrong group. Frankly, I am getting sick >and tired of seeing my posts to this group responded to by sarcasm or >jokes. (I get the same thing at audiokarma.org, but that's another >story.) I am only trying to be helpful when I do post here. I'm not an >electrical engineer, but I have been a ham radio operator over 30 years >and been very interested in electronics of all sorts since I was eight >years old (I'm 49 now). Please, gentlemen, tell me just what on earth >it is (if anything) I am or may be doing wrong. If this group is only >intended for degreed EEs, tell me and I will quietly bow out. However, >I will not tolerate having my posts laughed at or otherwise not being >taken seriously. As I mentioned above, I am only trying to help. I'm >very sorry some of you don't seem to see it that way. Why can't you >guys treat me as you treat everyone else in this forum? I don't see you >being sarcastic with anyone else's posts here. For Pete's sake, why me? > > Thanks for reading. > > 73 (best of regards), > > Jeff, WB8NHV > Fairport, Ohio USA Jeff, Are you near fairport Harbor? Article: 325179 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4368c3e3$0$11074$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <82618$4368b5de$4232bd39$31949@COQUI.NET> Date: 02 Nov 2005 13:49:23 GMT Bill wrote: > The only thing I saw was John's (Hagstar) comment about hot-rodding > antiques to be something they are not and there's a bit of communal > agreement here on that topic since this group DOES at least try to imply > that we are dealing with preservation/restoration/refurbing/fixing > antique devices as opposed to recklessly pulling out tubes and updating > to current technology. Maybe some of my killfile residents had harsher > things to say but I would have missed those. I am all in favour of trying to keep things original, but there is just one thing... When the equipment we are restoring now, was in daily use, sometimes repairing equipment required modifications to keep it running, resulting in something that might remind us of Frankenstein tricks. When tube colour TV's were still in service, Philips could not supply any PL802 tubes anymore (video output stage, I think), so they made up a solid-state plugin. A few years later, their supply of Delta picture tubes ran out. So they supplied inline tubes along with a modification kit. There must be numerous examples of such official factory repair policies. It would not surprise me if there were official modifications to replace a tube rectifier with a selenium stack. Something we would definitely not do today, but it sort of justifies putting a silicium rectumfrier in there, especially if you don't have a good tube handy or when you'd have to change sockets (also a modification) to replace a tube with a better one. > "it makes good sense to replace any tube rectifiers" would certainly > invite criticism from old radio afficionados and could just as easily be > seen as sarcastic and not helpful. That's 100% true, especially out of context. - Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 325180 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:16:08 -0800 Message-ID: <7797-4368D838-37@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: <1fogm1h4esh0vk8bqu562odjmihk5gmghd@4ax.com> >I put a new belt on and recapped it. >Should be good to go, but I haven't >plugged it in yet. Still bleary eyed and my coffee hadn't kicked in yet, and first read of the above gave imagery of the Rocketeer strapping on a newly-recapped rocket belt. Bill(oc) Article: 325181 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> Subject: OT: Miami area parts pickup? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:13:02 GMT I have a pair of Altec Stonehenge I that I've been trying to bring back to as close to OEM as possible, given the HF transducers are not generally repairable anymore according to some repairmen (inc. some who actually worked for Altec). There is a pair in Miami that would accomplish almost all of that and it wouild not be hard to finish from there. Right now it's a few days from the end of the auction and it might get stupid, but if I won would anybody be interested in picking it up and stripping the cabs to send the speakers and crossovers/controls? 10kc@srvinet.coim if interested...thanks -- Free, while supplies last Article: 325182 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Coincidence at the AK Corral? Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:15:49 -0500 Message-ID: <11mi43849ctire0@news.supernews.com> References: <1130954408.798029.253350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130954408.798029.253350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Dare I say it?? > > It's Karma.... > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA Hmm, I might have said Hubris, I think. Article: 325183 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mhfi3kttj369@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:14:32 GMT In article <11mhfi3kttj369@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net says... > > >I sold all my cap testers >John H. > I actually have two cap checkers that I use.. now get this .... The Heathkit Cap Checker... variable voltage with LOW current.... more low if you first add additional resistor of a meg... I use it to look for bent plates in variable capacitors.. can set voltage where you want it... then just look for the little sparks and bend plates accordingly!... New Cap Checker... thats cause I can't ever remember all those blasted codes they put on some of these caps.. and on the little silver mica ones... eyes aren't good enough to read that itty bitty print!... also real mica ones .... with the colored dots.... izzz fine for U guys that aren't COLORBLIND ... where I am partially colorblind!... John k9uwa Article: 325184 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43692280$0$11080$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: OT - Need help finding part newer Radio References: <1130954760.984244.163730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1130958858.682435.198020@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: 02 Nov 2005 20:33:04 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > SWAG from the hip, It really does sound like an NPN pair of outputs, > with the five pins. Maybe a couple of those piggybacked might do? Whose > name is on the chip? > Yeah, I figured as long as you have been around you have "rounded up > the usual suspects". Also, the TDA2030, TDA2040 and TDA2050 integrated power amplifiers by ST-Microelectronics look a lot like this. - Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 325185 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <1130919305.679455.131210@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT - why all the jokes when I post here? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:44:35 -0500 I think the simplest explanation is that Usenet is just like that. Sometimes people write before they think, and a comment that in their mind wasn't harsh at all can come across wrong. On the other hand, you do run across jerks on Usenet, just as in "real" life. Actually, the first reaction I expected to see was some clever quip like "You want cheese with that whine?" Take a deep breath, and remember that you don't always get what you want, to quote the song. But also remember what the next line of that song says... Regards, Frank Article: 325186 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Al Last" Subject: Need Tube complement for 1925 Music Master Type 60 Radio Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:22:29 GMT Could someone please assist me with the tube line up in the type 60 Music Master Radio? I need to know the exact placement and type number of the 5 tubes. If possible a scan of the schematic would be great but not absolute. Also- What are the voltages to the input of this radio? I've been on Nostalgic Air site but the closest I have found is a FADA model 192-A. Thanks for reading, Al al.last@sbcglobal.net Article: 325187 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Ping Scott McAuley re Clough-Brengle item Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1130345199.671787.233280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <13384-4362BB65-440@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> <71i5m1l2j4umu1uv8v9p10buguputlo0n9@4ax.com> In "xrongor" writes: >"philsvintageradios" wrote in message >news:71i5m1l2j4umu1uv8v9p10buguputlo0n9@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:59:33 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote: >> >>>What is ping ? >> >> if you ping an ip adress of a computer you are connected to it will >> return with a reply , type "ping" followed by computer name or ip >> adress. >> >> maybe it came from submarines? ...make a ping sound and "listen" for a >> reply from any nearby object.. those old black and white movies with >> submarines come to mind.. >yup. thats exactly where it came from. sonar. Ditto. It's an ICMP (Internet Control Message Protocol) echo request. Ping will tell you a host is alive IF the host is responding to pings -- not everyone does, but won't tell you if it's accepting any useful connections, like mail or web. ICMP lives right below the Transport layer (where stuff like TCP happens) and takes care of things like error reporting and flow control. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 325188 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Spokesman" References: Subject: Re: eBay and "Non-selling Sellers"? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:37:41 GMT "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message news:ZK2dnRhkkM5A7_venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@gbronline.com... > John Byrns wrote: > > Since the subject of eBay is near and dear to most everyone on this group, > > I thought I would ask if anyone has had any experience with how eBay deals > > with "Non-selling Sellers"? The seller in an auction where I was the high > > bidder seems to want to welsh on the deal, so I am wondering what my > > options are? The seller didn't set a high enough starting bid, or use a > > reserve, and I am sure he expected that the winning bid would contain at > > least another significant digit, and probably a higher leading digit. > > > > On a related subject, there was a discussion here a while back about > > changes eBay made to the feedback system, which as I remember it basically > > neutered negative feedback against sellers, does anyone remember the > > details of the changes relating negative feedback for sellers? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > John Byrns > > > > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ > > Just like your bid is a contract to purchase the item at the price you > bid if you win the acution, his putting the item up for auction is a > contract to sell at the winning high bid, whether he thinks the bid was > high enough or not. Not setting a reserve or starting at a higher > starting bid is his problem, not yours. Many truley evil sellers just refuse to sell the item if they do not get what they want for it. They do not give a darn about any ebay rules. Article: 325189 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: Re: Need Tube complement for 1925 Music Master Type 60 Radio References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:53:32 GMT Al Last wrote: > Could someone please assist me with the tube line up in the type 60 Music > Master Radio? It would be all 01As, there could be a 71a in the last audio stage. Ron http://radioheaven.homestead.com Article: 325190 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:31:37 -0500 "Paul P" wrote in message news:CTX9f.12220$qk4.9650@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > Where did you get the belt? > > PP > > You can buy square stock from RadioDaze--butt splice with superglue. I've noticed the square stock has a tendency to "roll" on the pulleys, anyone else note likewise? Pete Article: 325191 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: Re: Sparton Bluebird References: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> <3sn7hkFp374gU1@individual.net> <76OdnT8meeiy5vveRVn-ug@giganews.com> <1130948138.792052.65420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1130981266.750281.206560@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:01:08 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > pity the nocturnes have been restored though. > Yep, almost no body can leave anything alone. How long can it be before there aren't any examples of what radios looked liked when they were made. Ron From adouglasatgis.net Fri Nov 4 07:54:03 EST 2005 Article: 325192 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Coincidence at the AK Corral? Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:01:53 -0500 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4orim1poht25affampk7a4v18ltt6jnk8e@4ax.com> References: <1130959023.112407.211320@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130968518.395151.60650@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-992.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:325192 Hi, >relative to him most everyone hear including me does >"know it all". Oh, dere. Spelling chequer, anyone? Article: 325193 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> <3sn7hkFp374gU1@individual.net> <76OdnT8meeiy5vveRVn-ug@giganews.com> <1130948138.792052.65420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sparton Bluebird Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:23:27 GMT are there ANY other known Peach Nocturnes? -- Keith Keith Park Top Notch Restorations topnotch@nycap.rr.com 71 Squareback 65 Notchback "El BajaRojo" 65 Squareback "Eggcrate" 87 Golf 93 Rx7 fast enough to stay Stock! "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1130948138.792052.65420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Speaking of Sparton mirrors, I heard that Estes Auction is going to > have TWO NOCTURNES coming up for auction...blue and peach... > > http://www.estesauctions.com/Sagemainpage.html > > I used to live in Albuquerque and never knew this collection was > there...parents still do, and I would have wanted to visit this guy. > > Wonder why they are not selling on the W. Coast for higher bids than > OH? Less distance to ship, too. > > Tox > Article: 325194 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Al Last" References: Subject: Re: Need Tube complement for 1925 Music Master Type 60 Radio Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:34:50 GMT Thanks for the info. Those are the same tube complement as I have been looking at with the FADA 192A. Al "Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:Mrbaf.1082$Ea3.205679@twister.southeast.rr.com... > Al Last wrote: >> Could someone please assist me with the tube line up in the type 60 Music >> Master Radio? > > It would be all 01As, there could be a 71a in the last > audio stage. > > Ron > http://radioheaven.homestead.com Article: 325195 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:01:06 GMT Hi! > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main995829.shtml I heard that mentioned (via my recently restored six tube Delco radio, to keep it somewhat on topic) on Paul Harvey news a few mornings ago. I have to wonder if a ground fault outlet would have cut power and saved him...what a tragedy in any event... William Article: 325196 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:02:09 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Sparton Bluebird References: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> <3sn7hkFp374gU1@individual.net> <76OdnT8meeiy5vveRVn-ug@giganews.com> <1130948138.792052.65420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1130981266.750281.206560@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > Eddie Brimer wrote: > >> pity the nocturnes have been restored though. >> > > Yep, almost no body can leave anything alone. > How long can it be before there aren't any examples > of what radios looked liked when they were made. > > Ron That sounds a little hoity-toity since you never know what condition they were in before. They could have been old basket cases salvaged >from the dump. -Bill Article: 325197 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <9Rv9f.131914$7b6.34788@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:07:06 GMT Hi! > I got one of those little infrared temp jobs from Rat Shack a while back > and it really is handy to have, no more burns and shocks. I got one at Napa a few months back when they had it on sale. Mine includes a laser sight...not sure how accurate the sight is, but the thermometer seems to have good accuracy from even a few feet away. I use it often with air vents and things that I can't reach...as well as various electronic parts. http://greyghost.dyndns.org/temp-blog-imgs/thermometer/ (pictures, if anyone is curious) William Article: 325198 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Mystery Tomstone I.D. Help Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 03:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <7360-4364E37E-647@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> In "Larry Fowkes" writes: >http://www.lfowkes.com/rad3.jpg Cool skyscraper tube shields. Never saw any like that before. Is this a Midwest-ism? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 325199 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Advice needed Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:18:46 GMT First question, did you have this problem before you did the recap? It certainly can't hurt to go back and double-check your work. I can't tell you much about your particular radio, but I deal with car radios all the time which use inductance tuning. These sets have three stages, the antenna, an RF stage, and the LO. There are three trimmer caps -- the antenna trimmer fine tunes the first tuned circuit. Then there is usually a double-trimmer with two screws; one screw is the LO and the other is the RF adjustment. You can also adjust the coils themselves, but usually you want to leave them be, unless you know for sure that one of them is off for some reason. What you have is a problem where all three stages are not tracking properly across the dial. At one point, everything is in perfect alignment, but as you adjust the dial, the tuned circuits are adjusting by different amounts. You might want to inspect the coils to ensure the slugs haven't somehow moved out of alignment. In car radios these are often held in place with some sort of rubber compound, and in certain instances it rots and the coil moves, losing track with the others. If the coils look intact, leave them alone -- but if it looks as though one has shifted, this may be your problem. As a rule of thumb, adjust the coil such that it looks physically the same as the others. If your radio is sensitive at the high end but not at the low, try this: Tune to a weak station at the low end. Then adjust the other two trimmers, one at a time, for best signal. Make note of which adjustment seems furthest off. Then go to the high end and adjust again. If you find that one tuned circuit needs adjustment, suspect that one to be out of line with the others. If both need touching up, suspect the LO to be out of line. At this point you may try to adjust the suspect coil, instead of the trimmer, either way to see if you can make it track better. This may take some trial and error, but this may bring you back in line. At the very worst, move the dial to the center and adjust all trimmers for best reception. This should improve things but you're still at a compromise Better to tinker with the tuned circuits to try and get them into alignment. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:q5sim1dgbpib0bm6kmit9la86m6080uopb@4ax.com... > Back again. > I have a nice Learadio model 567 that I finished repairing a broken > out grill bar, then repainting it. It looks sharp now, but doesn't > play very well. > > I totally recapped it, then aligned it according to the schematic > instructions. > > Results: Very few stations picked up on the low end of the dial, and > the high end gets lots of stations. More than some of my other radios. > > The stations on the low end that do come in, all get that birdie > squealing the starts high pitched then lowers to a low growl then back > to a high pitch when you tune across a station. The stations on the > high end don't have this problem, at least it's not very evident. > > This radio doesn't have a tuning capacitor, but instead coils with > slugs in them that slide in and out with the dial cord. > > Is this problem I'm having normal for this type of tuning, or should I > look for a component causing this? > .... > Blacksmith > > > > ... > Radio Literature on disc. > 136 issues (11 years) of SERVICE magazines on CD or DVD. > 175 issues of RADIO RETAILING magazines on CD or DVD. > Very early NRI home-study radio courses on CD. > Mallory Encyclopedia on CD. > Record Changers & Recorders by Rider (1941) on CD. > Radio Troubleshooter's Handbook > -- renovatedradiosdotcom -- Article: 325200 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "effi" Subject: zenith conole Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:19:45 -0600 Message-ID: <11mj0eg6r0iqg4e@corp.supernews.com> it has a blown 4 ohm speaker the cabinet could be modified to have two 8 ohm speakers same saize as existing 4 ohm speaker (12"), the two 8 ohm speakers wired in series to make 4 ohms would the two 8 ohm speakers thus wired work with the zenith tube radio (which works) as a 4 ohm speaker? Article: 325201 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Fred C" Subject: Tapped volume controls Message-ID: <43698564@news.meer.net> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:35:01 -0500 Some radios have a tapped volume control said to be used wirh a C and R for tone compensation. These tapped controls are hard to find. What if that tone compensation circuit is left out? The volume control itself is usually about 1 meg, audio taper. Taper is somewhere toward center. Anyone have any experience with this? Article: 325202 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: ESDI-80 Subject: Need Schematic Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:42:06 -0500 Hello, I need a schematic for a Concept 5.5 stereo receiver. I need to know of a good reputable source where I can order one. Thanks much, ESDI Article: 325203 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:08:30 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Sparton Bluebird References: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> <3sn7hkFp374gU1@individual.net> <76OdnT8meeiy5vveRVn-ug@giganews.com> <1130948138.792052.65420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1130981266.750281.206560@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1130988288.689468.155280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4107a$43698d43$4232bd18$15757@COQUI.NET> Eddie Brimer wrote: > kinda doubt they came from the dump. > What was that neutrodyne you refurbed last year? It certainly needed help and came out looking great. May not be worth as much as a minty original, (and a minty original isn't worth as much as new one found in a box) but you certainly increased its value and saved someone else >from sending it to the dump. It pains me to see things viewed by an all-or-none measure. Some people would have simply called it ruined and worthless. Some may still say that since it has been refurbed. They can't all be minty originals so one has to have some philosophy towards dealing with them...ahem, without having their nose too high in the air. -Bill Article: 325204 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:09:33 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Tapped volume controls References: <43698564@news.meer.net> Message-ID: Fred C wrote: > Some radios have a tapped volume control said to be used wirh a C and R for > tone compensation. These tapped controls are hard to find. What if that > tone compensation circuit is left out? > The volume control itself is usually about 1 meg, audio taper. Taper is > somewhere toward center. Anyone have any experience with this? > > You can certainly leave it out with little noticeable effect but Mark Oppat usually has these available for sale in the $25-30 price range. -Bill Article: 325205 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:15:55 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: OT: Pay Pal Payments on Ebay References: <1130990005.594931.73070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <35ce1$43698f00$4232bd18$16187@COQUI.NET> RadioGary wrote: > > I've been steadily waiting patiently for a seller to release a buy I > made on Ebay. He said he accepted Pay Pal. One week later he EMAILs > me back saying he's denied payment because it was attached to a credit > card, and he only accepts Pay Pal payments. How in the heck can you > pay into Pay Pal without useing a credit card? What's the difference? > The guy could have accepted and had the money, correct? Can someone > clear this up for me, please? There are two ways to pay with PayPal. You can pay from the funded account you have with them or via a credit card. You are not required to have money on deposit in their accounts, although its not a bad idea since they're paying good interest and many sellers balk at the extra fees they get stuck with for accepting credit cards. The third way is the dreaded e-check which is quickly becoming the bad boy because of the time it takes to clear. If you are going to use PayPal for payments on a regular basis it makes sense to deposit funds into your account. You'll earn interest, the seller won't be stuck with fees, you won't be stuck with possible interest on your own card account. He should have mentioned no CCs upfront. Many people won't accept them via PayPal. -Bill Article: 325206 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1130990005.594931.73070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pay Pal Payments on Ebay Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:27:11 -0600 Message-ID: <43698f57$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1130990005.594931.73070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > I've been steadily waiting patiently for a seller to release a buy I > made on Ebay. He said he accepted Pay Pal. One week later he EMAILs > me back saying he's denied payment because it was attached to a credit > card, and he only accepts Pay Pal payments. How in the heck can you > pay into Pay Pal without useing a credit card? What's the difference? > The guy could have accepted and had the money, correct? Can someone > clear this up for me, please? The fastest and easiest way to end your pain is to log into your Paypal account, click the Add Funds link, and transfer money out of your checkbook into your PayPal account. It'll take a couple days. When the money's there, make the payment. You will be forced to use that money to pay for the item, and it will be all good. Unless, of course, you don't have any actual money can only afford to buy old radios on credit..... :-) paul Article: 325207 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Escutcheon repair on a Nordmende Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:42:05 +0900 Message-ID: I have a Nordmende radio I'm fixing up. The electronics are in good shape, but nearly all the mounting points on the escutcheon are broken and/or missing. I'm inquiring as to the best way to mend this without running a bead of Goop around the thing. TIA Article: 325208 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron Subject: Re: Pay Pal Payments on Ebay Date: 02 Nov 2005 23:50:45 EST Message-ID: <43699828.1070208@yahoo.com> References: <1130990005.594931.73070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <43698f57$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> It's the only way I will use PayPal CASH transactions only. Paul Dietenberger wrote: > "RadioGary" wrote in message > news:1130990005.594931.73070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >>I've been steadily waiting patiently for a seller to release a buy I >>made on Ebay. He said he accepted Pay Pal. One week later he EMAILs >>me back saying he's denied payment because it was attached to a credit >>card, and he only accepts Pay Pal payments. How in the heck can you >>pay into Pay Pal without useing a credit card? What's the difference? >>The guy could have accepted and had the money, correct? Can someone >>clear this up for me, please? > > > The fastest and easiest way to end your pain is to log into your Paypal > account, click the Add Funds link, and transfer money out of your checkbook > into your PayPal account. It'll take a couple days. When the money's there, > make the payment. You will be forced to use that money to pay for the item, > and it will be all good. > > Unless, of course, you don't have any actual money can only afford to buy > old radios on credit..... :-) > > paul > > Article: 325209 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Need Schematic Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:14:17 GMT Have you tried A. G. Tannenbaum? eBay store owner poppop2000 operates Quag-West on the site and his CD scans are usually quite good and affordable. Others I've used include hifimanuals.net, eBayer elec115672, stereomanuals.com I haven't but they are there and reputable AFAIK... This group is basically devoted to mostly playback mediums that predate stereo. Since I am unaware if the Audiokarma site is still crippled, I will also state that I don't know many of the other well used venues for stereo discussions. Since Concept models were largely produced in the 70s for a West Coast chain of stereo stores IIRC it doesn't really work into this schema, although there are those who've dealt with stereo receivers like it in their "vintage" days who might have an idea for you. I wish you the best of luck in your quest, as I understand Concept was a good brand yet I know abosolutely nothing of it. "ESDI-80" wrote in message news:fGfaf.11079$IB.5202@dukeread11... > Hello, > > I need a schematic for a Concept 5.5 stereo receiver. I need to know of > a good reputable source where I can order one. > > Thanks much, > > ESDI Article: 325210 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130959023.112407.211320@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Coincidence at the AK Corral? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:34:44 GMT And it's a Cannot Find Server error right now so it's gone st the moment... "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message news:Afhaf.1064$ZA3.249475@monger.newsread.com... > I just hope it dies quietly. > > Article: 325211 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130954408.798029.253350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11mi43849ctire0@news.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Coincidence at the AK Corral? Message-ID: <4mhaf.1066$ZA3.249553@monger.newsread.com> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:37:04 GMT "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message news:11mi43849ctire0@news.supernews.com... > "Peter Wieck" wrote in message > news:1130954408.798029.253350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Dare I say it?? > > > > It's Karma.... > > > > Peter Wieck > > Wyncote, PA > > Hmm, I might have said Hubris, I think. How about "taps"? Article: 325212 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:40:44 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Pay Pal Payments on Ebay References: <1130990005.594931.73070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <43698f57$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <43699828.1070208@yahoo.com> <1130994034.990574.175670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <3cfa1$4369a2e0$4232bd18$21573@COQUI.NET> siliconvalleyEE@gmail.com wrote: > Well, on the other hand card is better since if something goes wrong > you can > dispute with your credit card company as well, no? > It sounds better for the buyer... > There's a number of ways to extricate oneself out of bad deals and the credit card reversal thing is one of them. That works equally as well for fraudsters and as a consequence is another justification for sellers not wanting to deal with credit card payments. I personally don't have any qualms about receiving credit card payments. Maybe it costs me a buck or something but that buck bought me a high bidder. The nutsos out there who will reverse a payment on the basis of the "radio is missing one screw" really do exist but that idiocy happens regardless of the payment type and haven't become an issue for me other than in hypothetical discussion. -Bill Article: 325213 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:58:21 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> <76OdnT4meeiv5vveRVn-ug@giganews.com> Message-ID: <82d3b$4369a701$4232bd18$22810@COQUI.NET> Phil Nelson wrote: > Well, that's interesting to hear. > > >>Elemental selenium is not particularly toxic. There have been >>studies of ranchers who live in areas with high selenium content in >>the soil. No one ever died and symptoms are always reversible, though >>grazing animals are affected more. >>Alan I had a looooong conversation with a lady rancher I met at the Casper WY airport. She fit the local description of an eastern "hobby rancher" since she had only been there 20 years and had less than 400 acres and was from Milwaukee and was attuned to everything that was "wrong". Selenium in the soil there, particularly in her area (Alcova?), is a major issue. Over-irrigation, assuming one could get enough water rights to over-irrigate, will bring the "alkali" (thats what they call it) to the surface. You see this "alkali" in any pond or mudhole that has dried out. The beasts of the area will tend not to graze in such areas but the dummies like goats and llamas who have been imported will munch their way to a frenzied and suffering death to the extent that they need to be isolated from certain areas. No real danger to humans because people that live in the area KNOW this. -Bill Article: 325214 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <1131012893.222057.59080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Found the radio of Jesus Christ !!! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:20:32 GMT OK..ok, you hooked me, I gotta ask....put a picture on the Binaries. PP "Gerry Lintonice" wrote in message news:1131012893.222057.59080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Do you think I can sell it on ebay? If yes, how much do you think, will > people pay for Jesus Christ's radio ??? > Article: 325215 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <1131012893.222057.59080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Found the radio of Jesus Christ !!! Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:22:35 -0500 Message-ID: <436a0f1c$0$32196$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> I wouldn't have used the word, "hooked..." :-P "Paul P" wrote in message news:A8oaf.17234$qk4.11936@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > OK..ok, you hooked me, I gotta ask....put a picture on the Binaries. > > PP > > > "Gerry Lintonice" wrote in message > news:1131012893.222057.59080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Do you think I can sell it on ebay? If yes, how much do you think, will >> people pay for Jesus Christ's radio ??? >> > > Article: 325216 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Found the radio of Jesus Christ !!! Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: <11mk5iikf44u466@corp.supernews.com> References: <1131012893.222057.59080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> It's of course a plain, wooden radio- NO doubt a low end Philco. John H. Article: 325217 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Pay Pal Payments on Ebay Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:46:21 -0800 Message-ID: References: <1130990005.594931.73070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <43698f57$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <43699828.1070208@yahoo.com> <1130994034.990574.175670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1131017664.266270.311750@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Larry wrote: > One thing I have never understood. If you transfer money from your bank > account to your Paypal account it takes a couple days. However if I am > paying for an auction I can transfer money instantly from my bank > account to my paypal account and then to the sellers account, the whole > process takes mere seconds. It makes no sense. No, you can't. You can pay from your bank account via PayPal, but it will take at least a couple of days to "clear". It looks instantaneous but it's not. I know this because I bought a new camera not even two months ago using a debit from my checking account via PayPal. The seller screwed up and shipped it the next day so I got it as if I had paid directly from my PayPal account, but I know from monitoring my account balance afterward that it took days for them to actually get paid. Pretty ridiculous in an era of electronic funds transfer, but that's the way it is. -Scott Article: 325218 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Pay Pal Payments on Ebay Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:57:31 -0800 Message-ID: References: <1130990005.594931.73070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <43698f57$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net> <43699828.1070208@yahoo.com> <1130994034.990574.175670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> siliconvalleyEE@gmail.com wrote: > Well, on the other hand card is better since if something goes wrong > you can > dispute with your credit card company as well, no? > It sounds better for the buyer... > It's better only if you don't care about getting negative feedback. That's what a bu