Article: 332929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:29 -0700
Message-ID: <a8kb421j766t3q6lfc3u7mctgafc8glott@4ax.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:16:37 -0400, "Mark Oppat"
<moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:

>now this is a set you dont see very often!   I had the X131 model that looks
>similar a few years ago but it didnt have this higher end chassis...  cant
>see the 12 tubes, it looks like a small chassis to fit them all on.... <snip>

Perhaps the seller thinks IF cans and caps are "tubes?"  A nice Bob
Pilot original I'd like to have.


Article: 332930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4445E25D.382B86FC@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e23rra$j97$2@reader1.panix.com> <iP2dnaSx7Zs0LNjZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:11:10 GMT

Tom Adkins wrote:
> 
> Tim Mullen wrote:
> > In <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> writes:
> >
> >
> >>I thought some of you might know something about this subject.  A
> >>friend just gave me a 1952 Skil belt sander.  Very cool streamlined
> >>design, the front is a bullet shape like a 30s locomotive.
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >    Kewl!  When you get 'er ready, take her to the races:
> >
> >      http://www.nebsra.org/
> >
> > {Indoor sports with power tools.  What more could a guy want?}
> >
> 
>   Oh S***, I thought the Combine Demolition Derby at the local county fair was over
> the top! I've seen Barstool Racing, Lawn Tractor Races, etc. There should really be a
> Redneck Sports Channel for things like this. I'll bet it would top ESPN for viewership.


   Video tape it and post it to http://www.youtube.com


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: RdM <rdm@orcon.net.zz>
Subject: Identify "Mail-a-Voice" Vintage phonograph recorder?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:22:31 +1200
Message-ID: <t5sb42prmatv71h6gt4tsai93o0uh2pg73@4ax.com>

An interesting local (NZ) auction that I've asked a question on:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Home-audio/Vintage/auction-54080884.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/ztfaq  (nice one, tinyurl!)

I've been away for a while, changed ISP's; caught up this group with ~5k
messages to scan ... just thought someone here might know this device?

I've asked whether (in case it's not answered yet) he's tried to play back on
the device (may be record-only?) or other record players, and what speed, size
of (& quantity of!) blanks ... just an interesting curiousity. Doubt I'll buy.

Regards, and TIA;

Ross Matheson
Auckland, New Zealand. <nz, not zz!>


Article: 332932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:45:38 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e24tbi$jq3$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e23rra$j97$2@reader1.panix.com> <iP2dnaSx7Zs0LNjZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com>

In <iP2dnaSx7Zs0LNjZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com> Tom Adkins <newton5@remove.comcast.net> writes:

>  Oh S***, I thought the Combine Demolition Derby at the local county fair was over 
>the top!

   Ah.  You want Survival Research Labs:

     http://www.srl.org/

I did a show with them years ago in the parking lot of Yankee Stadium.
The fire chief rolls up:

   "O.K.  Light 'er up and let's see what you'll be doing..."

   (demonstration ensues)

   "Move the bleachers back another fifty feet."

I was in one of the trailers smoking when someone says "We were just
mixing explosives in here."  Gee, thanks for the warning.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 332933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Larry Fowkes" <larry@lfowkesNOSPAM.com>
References: <1145358703.416754.6660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Q--dndsIVLtyG9jZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com>
Subject: Re: Fisher 500s
Message-ID: <owo1g.48523$_S7.16856@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:44:36 GMT


"Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote in message
news:Q--dndsIVLtyG9jZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com...
> From the Winter 1997 issue of Vacuum Tube Valley magazine:
>
> Don't ask me why they include silicon rectifiers in the tube count.
Anyhow,
> that's what the mag sez.
>
> Folks in rec.audio.tubes may know more about this sort of thing.
>
> Phil Nelson
>

I was recently given a mint 500T unit, I think that was their first all
solid state receiver? I thought the mfg date was around 1962, were they
offering both the tubed and transistor versions concurently? Actually I was
kind of bummed when I pulled the cover to clean it up, I thought it was all
fire bottles. Interesting however to note that all the transistors are
socketed.

Larry Fowkes




Article: 332934 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bill Morris" <zac@mw.net>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:54:11 -0400
Message-ID: <444624e3$0$1013$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>

Can't help you on the model number, but I like the dial!


"GWBO" <GWBO@gwbo.net> wrote in message 
news:1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I recently bought an old Montgomery Ward Airline radio at a garage
> sale. I cannot find a model name or number on it, and I haven't been
> able to find a picture of it anywhere on the internet or in any group.
>
> There is an AM band and two short wave bands. I was surprised to find
> that it actually works. It brings in several local stations on the AM
> band. No luck with the other two bands yet.
>
> I would like to know the model number, and whether it has any value.
> Pictures can be found at:
> http://gwbo.net/Misc/FrontView.JPG
> http://gwbo.net/Misc/RearView.JPG
>
> Thank you.
> 




Article: 332935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:10:41 -0400
Message-ID: <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

GWBO wrote:


> 
> I would like to know the model number, and whether it has any value.
> Pictures can be found at:
> http://gwbo.net/Misc/FrontView.JPG
> http://gwbo.net/Misc/RearView.JPG
> 
> Thank you.

Looks like 62-228.  With that neat dial I'm sure you could get 100-150 
for it.

-Bill


Article: 332936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: RdM <rdm@orcon.net.zz>
Subject: Re: Identify "Mail-a-Voice" Vintage phonograph recorder?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:49:16 +1200
Message-ID: <qsbc42p5kcvfnb832730744mh3oluvk7pl@4ax.com>
References: <t5sb42prmatv71h6gt4tsai93o0uh2pg73@4ax.com> <1145441321.720129.294740@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

"Steven" wrote:

> BRUSH,
> 
> Some sites with diagrams and info on the record (and reel if you like
> version) of this equipment are:
> 
> http://history.acusd.edu/gen/recording/begun6.html#25
> 
> http://home.hetnet.nl/~kalma99/Recordon/Recordon.htm English included
> 
> 
> That's what I found, and yes, it's the first major application of
> magnetic recording on a flat disk, predecessor in spirit to the hard
> drive as we know it, as I know it. Hopefully that will give you some
> idea on what to do with it.

Excellent information, Steven!

Thanks very much for the timely responses and the very interesting links!
I've passed the information along in the form of another question/comment.

[Limited to 500chrs a time; I gave no credits in it but will if he responds;-]

Regards,

Ross

[http://www.funduc.com/otsoft.htm#countchars is useful for limiting text chrs]
[I type/edit my text in Notepad with it running then paste into the entry box]


Article: 332937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Message-ID: <Tmq1g.83485$Jh1.1183606@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:51:06 -0400

"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> now this is a set you dont see very often!   I had the X131 model that 
> looks
> similar a few years ago but it didnt have this higher end chassis...  cant
> see the 12 tubes, it looks like a small chassis to fit them all on....
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Pilot-Model-173-Radio-Original-Unrestored-Working_W0QQitemZ6622454140QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

A simple search for the schematic on nostalgiaair.org reveals a 12 tubes 
radio, model 173.

That is 12 tubes _including_ the eye tube _and_ a ballast.

http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/366/M0014366.pdf

Syl 




Article: 332938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Larry Fowkes" <larry@lfowkesNOSPAM.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Message-ID: <kvs1g.48659$_S7.47338@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:16:33 GMT


"- exray -" <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message
news:124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com...
> GWBO wrote:
>
>
I have that same radio in my storage area, picked it up at a flea market for
$15 last year. My veneer has some cracks on the radius though, so it will be
a bit of work. I liked the big dial as well. Can't remember the model number
off hand but will look on my computer at home tonight.

Larry Fowkes




Article: 332939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Fisher 500s
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:55:51 -0700
Message-ID: <3anc4213tol9015sj41tcgsjep4d0inged@4ax.com>
References: <1145358703.416754.6660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Q--dndsIVLtyG9jZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com> <owo1g.48523$_S7.16856@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:44:36 GMT, "Larry Fowkes"
<larry@lfowkesNOSPAM.com> wrote:

>I was recently given a mint 500T unit, I think that was their first all
>solid state receiver? I thought the mfg date was around 1962, were they
>offering both the tubed and transistor versions concurently? <snip>

Yes.

>Actually I was
>kind of bummed when I pulled the cover to clean it up, I thought it was all
>fire bottles. Interesting however to note that all the transistors are
>socketed. <snip>

There weren't bad units, either.


Article: 332940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:57:37 -0700
Message-ID: <oenc42lggmupdvlj3iitrchrr18oc3cgkn@4ax.com>
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145457745.973779.37260@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 19 Apr 2006 07:42:26 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>This does not sound right. If you are operating the machine in the
>"monitor" mode, the line-level input should go straight to the
>power-amp section (through the volume-control) with the VU meter(s)
>monitoring the level. There should be no need to go into the "record"
>mode.  <snip>

PW finds out in short order that his new "pal" is indeed everything I
said and more.


Article: 332941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:59:12 -0700
Message-ID: <jgnc42l883gnmeihsniem39n4p07il6k95@4ax.com>
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <5YudnXFhZ9KGy9vZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:24:16 -0500, Bill Cohn <billcohn1.comcast.net>
wrote:

>I have looked at the schematic of the Roberts 720/770 also like AKIA M7. 
>If the sound is garbled with the 6AR5 removed you have something wrong 
>with the amplifier. The Bias Osc should NOT effect the sound of the 
>amplifier. With the head plug and transport disconnected the bias osc. 
>never comes on. It is activated by a switch on the tape transport. In 
>fact if you are using the line inputs you do not need the EF86/6267 
>preamp tubes either. They are NOT in the circuit path. <snip>

Charlie Nudo, aka "CAINE" and 66fourdoor on eBay, is an electronics
"wannabe" with no clue as to what he's talking about.  That should've
been quite obvious during the Fisher 500C saga.


Article: 332942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com>   <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <5YudnXFhZ9KGy9vZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1145465068.502106.131860@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <rEu1g.6082$Es3.5123@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:42:47 GMT

CAINE wrote:
> you have to put the switch in the tape transport on, to get the line in
> to work- otherwise no sound comes out of it- the line in only works in
> record mode
> 

Depending on what you want to do here, if you never play or record any 
tapes, you could modify the amps to do line-in without the bias 
oscillator circuit.  Maybe the bias oscillator also provides some bias 
to some portion of the line-in circuits to avoid distortion? If so, 
you'd need to modify that as well.

Of course if you need it as a tape machine, then I wouldn't do any mods...


Article: 332943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:47:05 -0700
Message-ID: <ortc42hcphib0pn8mjl5gnnjfbriq5lvgi@4ax.com>
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <5YudnXFhZ9KGy9vZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1145465068.502106.131860@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

On 19 Apr 2006 09:44:28 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>pull the 6AR5 tube, the sounds suffers <snip>

ANYTHING in the hands of Charlie Nudo, aka "CAINE" and "66fourdoor",
suffers greatly.


Article: 332944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:08:41 -0400
Message-ID: <124d2ltkiuin8a7@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

The space saving secret is the series string part. I have a Pilot T341 
coming (similar to model 340) that has a similar small chassis with big tube 
count. Not quite that small though. But think of how small one of those 
Arvin metal sets is.....

John H. 




Article: 332945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:13:36 -0400
Message-ID: <124d2v4oaun90e8@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>

Yes, I'll give you a Ben Franklin myself  :)

John H.

"- exray -" <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message 
news:124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com...

> Looks like 62-228.  With that neat dial I'm sure you could get 100-150 for 
> it.
 




Article: 332946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1145473035.745276.55770@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Philco Super-Heterodyne 9
Message-ID: <L3w1g.2360$k.2201@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:20:11 GMT


"Mike Koste" <michael.koste@zurichna.com> wrote in message 
news:1145473035.745276.55770@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>I don't think so...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-PHILCO-SUPER-HETERODYNE-9-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6623036217QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Mike Koste
> Gobs of Knobs
> Ambler, PA
>

It's pictured in the background of one of his other listings.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6272402413

jim menning 




Article: 332947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1145473035.745276.55770@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <L3w1g.2360$k.2201@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1145474813.781045.22210@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Philco Super-Heterodyne 9
Message-ID: <Utw1g.2363$k.1658@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:48:04 GMT


"Mike Koste" <michael.koste@zurichna.com> wrote in message 
news:1145474813.781045.22210@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Nice catch, Jim.
>
> MK
>

Got a few 90's sitting around here.

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1908/img28275gr.jpg

jim menning 




Article: 332948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:45:47 GMT

toxcrusadr wrote:
> 
> > believe it or not.. many decent hardware stores have carbon brushes
> > of varying sizes... you might be pleasantly suprised..
> 
> Yeah, but I don't really feel like I know how to install them, or how
> you know you need them, or how to adjust them.  I worked on an old
> circular saw once, the brushes were pretty much gone.  I put new ones
> in (yep found em at Ace Hardware), and it sparked like crazy and the
> carbon glowed bright red.  Methinks I did something wrong.  It sorta
> ran, but it was scary.  The other one I worked on that did not go well
> was a metal cased drill.  Put a new cord on.  Plugged it in and the
> case was hot.  Never did figure that one out.  Besides that, I don't
> really have time for the radios, much less tools.  I would like to have
> time to learn, but unfortunately I'm looking for someone to do repairs
> and tune-ups, not a source for motor brushes.
> 
> Tox


   The armature probably had bad spots from the old brushes.  I used to
use a large ink eraser and run the motor on 12 VDC while I polished out
the bad spots.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD-214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Cardboard record
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:53:52 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26bhg$dd3$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145062554.957315.93370@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <7ln0425ffqcf339s20iv76ahq8eesb9t7m@4ax.com> <e2102u$cpv$1@reader1.panix.com> <hp-dnfmK99AyoNvZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@sigecom.net>

In <hp-dnfmK99AyoNvZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@sigecom.net> "Bruce Mercer" <maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net> writes:

[I asked]

>>   Seriously, what's the downside of this?  Please -- no flamefest.
>> I know how to properly clean records (hell, I own a VPI wet vacuum
>> machine), but I'm curious as to what's really bad about Gary's idea
>> on that particular record.  Is it because Pledge will attract dust
>> and dirt?  Would minute residue left on the stylus be then transferred
>> to other records?

>Any buildup of 'anything' in a record groove is not a good thing.

   Gotcha.  Thanks, Bruce.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 332950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:22:12 -0400
Message-ID: <124de0smhtild1a@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>   <kvs1g.48659$_S7.47338@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <1145473854.996631.201590@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

toxcrusadr wrote:

> Nice radio, with the tuning eye.  Bill, you guess a model #, is there a
> year to go with that?  Metal tubes, is that about '37 - '41?
> 
> Tox
> 
I'm not swearing yet that thats the correct model number.  But if so, 
the schematic is dated May 1936.

-Bill


Article: 332951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com> <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <fe3b42l2h74hj6ce515f9j7h3s253k9n2a@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <H3z1g.32991$cY3.21385@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:44:55 GMT


"Blacksmith" <blacksmith1@wowway.com> wrote in message >>
> This plastic looks like nylon so maybe it did shrink. I didn't mention
> that the batteries are too large in diameter, not length. The length
> doesn't matter since the batteries are dropped into a nylon cylinder
> with a coil spring contact in the bottom. They are so tight in the
> sleeves that they contact the plastic tube all around the battery with
> no wiggle room at all.

Tube holders give me trouble too. Hope yours is removable and not built in. 
I had a couple radios that I had to take partially apart every time I 
changed batteries to push them out when they wouldn't drop out. Don't want 
to use the inertia trick to get them out of a radio...

One time I made a tube out of some plastic I had left from a project and 
used C cells in that with an end plug and bolt spacer. I slid it in the D 
holder tube. Worked pretty good. Modern Alkaline cells are more than 
powerful enough to replace Ds for radio uses.

A lot of work but it may be something to consider in a tough situation.

Ray 




Article: 332952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Repairing TO carcass and...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:49:18 +0900
Message-ID: <e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net>

thinking of making it into a radio again. Anyone got spare H500 parts? I 
would need to eventually find a case, both antennas, and knobs. All I have 
is this poor, beat up chassis that I am slowly bringing back to life (I DO 
love a challenge.)



-- 
Over 5 decades of great hits
Full Spectrum Radio
http://fsr.jadephoenix.org 




Article: 332953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com> <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <fe3b42l2h74hj6ce515f9j7h3s253k9n2a@4ax.com> <n-Odnbxbh5GJg9vZRVn-gw@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <2gz1g.24127$nA3.3371@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:58:06 GMT

I don't recall having this kind of problem 20 years ago. I attribute it to 
lax standards.

I just picked up some "regular" 9V Eveready batteries today for a test 
project. Hidden in the fine print - Made in China.

Funny thing is, they fit fine. They almost look like the old Japanese ones 
>from years gone by. Maybe they are using the old tooling?

They are visibly thinner than Ray-O-Vac alkalines from Malaysia.

Ray



"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:n-Odnbxbh5GJg9vZRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> There seems to be some variation in battery size, particularly 9V 
> batteries.
>
> I have the gut feeling that some cells are slightly larger than others, 
> and
> don't always fit comfortably into flashlights.
>
> 




Article: 332954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:17:41 GMT

AVC wrote:
> 
>    55 years ago while serving an apprenticeship in a woodworking shop I
> plugged in a belt sander some one had left on the floor with the on
> switch locked on with the button pushed in.By the time I unplugged it
> ,that sander made like a dragster [plenty of traction] and shot thru
> the wall across the room in an unhappy customer's home.


  Ok, that's a funny story, but what does it have to do with a bad
armature?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:21:46 -0400
Message-ID: <124dhgfgnlifa41@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Weird tube layout- SIX 25 volt tubes and they STILL needed a ballast? 
Subbing the 12 volt versions of the six tubes in the front end would have 
allowed two parallel strings and no ballast.

John H. 




Article: 332956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:22:42 -0400
Message-ID: <124dhi9mp0kn171@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

PS- http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/366/M0014366.htm
 




Article: 332957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com> <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <HDz1g.39785$x97.12429@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:23:19 GMT

The product safety Nazis would have a fit.

I remember _real_ chemistry sets. The ones with cool chemicals even adults 
have trouble getting now. You could even get refills at the hobby shop when 
you used up all your potassium nitrate or sulfur. Somehow the smoke, bangs, 
splatters, small burns, and stinks didn't fluster mommies back then. (Dads 
thought they were cool too and often helped with suggestions or books.) That 
all disappeared in the 70s.

No wonder kids don't have any interest in science anymore. They never get 
their hands on it and it seems remote, unreal, and probably dangerous. By 
the time they get to High School they are conditioned to hate it.

I just went out a couple of weeks ago to try to find model supplies. Nothing 
dramatic, just paints and cements and some sheet plastic. Forget it! Most of 
the formulas that actually worked are banned now. If I want them I have to 
buy them in England. If you can't drink it you can't sell it here.

Of course, people don't build models anymore. Even railroad buildings and 
cars come ready-made now.

It seems nothing we grew up playing or learning with/from is 
politically-correct anymore. Somebody raised hell and got it banned or short 
attention spans destroyed the market.

Ray


"jakdedert" <jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote in message 
news:HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Rune wrote:
>> New cells vary quite a bit in size, even in the same brand sometimes.
>>
>> I've had trouble with some brands and had others fit OK. AA, C, and D 
>> have been problems. Diameter with some, length with others, and both on 
>> some.
>>
>> If you find some really old cells you'll see that most didn't have the 
>> fancy stamped bottoms - especially protruding convex ones common today - 
>> and had simple paper wrappers or labels instead of a metal shell. Some 
>> were just the outer zinc surface with a label around it. "Leakproof" 
>> batteries added a base and heavier wrapper.
>
> I remember a science project we did in 7th grade...built a D-cell from an 
> Eveready kit.  Four components: Zinc can with paper label, carbon rod with 
> metal cap (I think that cap came installed?), a powdery black mixture 
> which was the electrolyte and tar, to pot the positive end.
>
> I either didn't get enough filling, or I tamped it down too solid...didn't 
> fill the can all the way; but it produced 1.5 volts and lasted until I 
> threw it away sometime after high school (never actually used it for 
> anything practical, but it held a charge for that long).
>
> I wonder if they'd even let kids do something that practical today....
>
> jak
> 




Article: 332958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:25:06 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26gsi$oi2$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> 	   <QMh1g.690480$084.173169@attbi_s22> 	   <oVh1g.2826$oW1.1036@bignews1.bellsouth.net> 	   <1145471819.184072.296600@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> 	   <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net> <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net>

In <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:

>AVC wrote:
>> 
>>    55 years ago while serving an apprenticeship in a woodworking shop I
>> plugged in a belt sander some one had left on the floor with the on
>> switch locked on with the button pushed in.By the time I unplugged it
>> ,that sander made like a dragster [plenty of traction] and shot thru
>> the wall across the room in an unhappy customer's home.

>  Ok, that's a funny story, but what does it have to do with a bad
>armature?

   Motivation to fix the sander. :)

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 332959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:40:47 GMT

I wonder if kids even do that anymore. My circle always wanted to know how 
things worked or what was inside.

Of course, that was before sealed plastic centipedes filled with magic 
smoke. You could get your little mind around mechanical, electrical, and 
chemical things in those days, even as a kid.

People today, even adults, have lost any understanding of the stuff around 
them. When tubes went out so did fix-it-yourself and any desire to look 
inside things for the average person.

I fixed our 3-year-old TV last week and needed to replace a torx bit that 
got lost before putting the back on it. A friend that went to the (real) 
hardware store with me mentioned I was fixing a TV and the people there were 
all in awe. When he mentioned the old radios I do they were astounded.

Not long ago these were common feats. Drug and auto supply shops had tube 
testers. Nobody would have been impressed that you got your TV or radio 
going again. Now it's an arcane skill.

Most people don't even know what is in the box they are using to get on the 
web with or what goes on under the hood of their car. It's all too scary and 
inaccessible.

How far our culture has fallen.

Ray

<shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message 
news:1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> jakdedert wrote:
>> I remember a science project we did in 7th grade...built a D-cell from
>> an Eveready kit.  Four components: Zinc can with paper label, carbon rod
>> with metal cap (I think that cap came installed?), a powdery black
>> mixture which was the electrolyte and tar, to pot the positive end.
>>
>> I either didn't get enough filling, or I tamped it down too
>> solid...didn't fill the can all the way; but it produced 1.5 volts and
>> lasted until I threw it away sometime after high school (never actually
>> used it for anything practical, but it held a charge for that long).
>>
>> I wonder if they'd even let kids do something that practical today....
>
> When I was a kid we would saw open D cells (or even better, number 6
> cells) to get the carbon rods out to use for various experiments
> (including as electrodes for arcs). That's the reverse of what you did,
> but infinitely more practical, as we couldn't buy nice carbon
> electrodes at the corner store except inside the batteries :-).
>
> Tim.
> 




Article: 332960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:04:49 +0900
Message-ID: <e26j67$51$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>


"Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> wrote in message 
news:3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>I wonder if kids even do that anymore. My circle always wanted to know how 
>things worked or what was inside.
>
> Of course, that was before sealed plastic centipedes filled with magic 
> smoke. You could get your little mind around mechanical, electrical, and 
> chemical things in those days, even as a kid.
>
> People today, even adults, have lost any understanding of the stuff around 
> them. When tubes went out so did fix-it-yourself and any desire to look 
> inside things for the average person.
>
> I fixed our 3-year-old TV last week and needed to replace a torx bit that 
> got lost before putting the back on it. A friend that went to the (real) 
> hardware store with me mentioned I was fixing a TV and the people there 
> were all in awe. When he mentioned the old radios I do they were 
> astounded.
>
> Not long ago these were common feats. Drug and auto supply shops had tube 
> testers. Nobody would have been impressed that you got your TV or radio 
> going again. Now it's an arcane skill.
>
> Most people don't even know what is in the box they are using to get on 
> the web with or what goes on under the hood of their car. It's all too 
> scary and inaccessible.
>
> How far our culture has fallen.
>
> Ray

Nice to see that I'm not the only one that feels this way. People marvel at 
me for knowing things that would have been common knowledge a generation 
ago. And they try to say that there has been no dumbing-down of society.





Article: 332961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Insufficient B+
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:13:58 -0400
Message-ID: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com>

Okay, my Scott Phantom FM has come to life after 20+ years! I finished the 
test version of the repro crossover box, and got the amp working after 
replacing the 2 main 60 (sic) mfd. filters and swapping power cords so the 
newer version tuner could mate to the older version amp.
Originally I had just a tuner with no amp, speaker, crossover, or knobs. BUT 
a parts set minus crossover appeared thanks to Dennis D. and it's coming 
together 2 years later, all 28 tubes.

BUT it seems as though something in the tuner chassis drags the B+ down from 
370 to 260 once this is plugged in, this is because resistance plummets to 3 
K or so B+ to ground from a 50K on the amp side.

I usually like to get them working before starting a shotgun recap. But 
considering there are + or minus  45 wax caps in the tuner chassis, I need a 
place to start. Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact 
thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap? I plan to map out tonight 
which ones are right on the B+ line and replace these first. The screen 
filter can (4- 5mfd caps) doesn't seem to be the culprit as it's removed 
>from B+ behind a resistor and I floated the ground on the can with no 
effect.

HOW do you find the bad guy?

John H. 




Article: 332962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:16:43 -0700
Message-ID: <smkd42h731ujmom8phg8he583varpr2vq9@4ax.com>
References: <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145457745.973779.37260@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145464810.834355.12670@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145466043.290886.215450@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1145489453.432113.32650@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 19 Apr 2006 16:30:53 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>10-4, thanks Pete <snip>

10-4!  ROFLMAO!


Article: 332963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e26j67$51$1@news2.kornet.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <jpA1g.32994$cY3.820@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:16:15 GMT

At the rate things are going _reading_ is going to be a marvel to people in 
a few years.

Ray


"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
news:e26j67$51$1@news2.kornet.net...
>
> Nice to see that I'm not the only one that feels this way. People marvel 
> at me for knowing things that would have been common knowledge a 
> generation ago. And they try to say that there has been no dumbing-down of 
> society.
>
>
> 




Article: 332964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:18:25 -0700
Message-ID: <7okd42pq066vkqm02a9u7f86bo4ac8slct@4ax.com>
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <5YudnXFhZ9KGy9vZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1145465068.502106.131860@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <rEu1g.6082$Es3.5123@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <1145489421.345441.29720@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 19 Apr 2006 16:30:21 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>And the last high end SET amp I tried, the Akai M8 blew it away in
>power and sound quality.  I ended up selling off the new SET and
>keeping the Akai ! <snip>

Noodles' idea of an "SET" was the cheesy little amp he ripped out of a
Marconi console he destroyed and parted out on fraudBay.  We're not
dealing with a room temperature IQ here, yanno...well, in Fahrenheit,
anyway.


Article: 332965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:21:56 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26k74$e1l$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

In <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> writes:

>Most people don't even know what is in the box they are using to get on the 
>web with or what goes on under the hood of their car. It's all too scary and 
>inaccessible.

>How far our culture has fallen.

   Nah.  Each generation has different interests, that's all.  Whatever's
cutting-edge at the time is what's going to attract kids.  Whether it's
telegraphy, radio, television.  Nowadays there's young punks out there
who can decode TCP packets like nobody's business and understand IP
routing algorithms.  They certainly know what's going on under the hood.
It's just a different hood.  That's progress for ya.

   However, I do know what you're saying.  I feel lucky to have grown up
when kit building was still possible and in vogue (meaning it was easy to
come across cool projects).  But just because I've got fond memories of
soldering stuff together doesn't give it any moral weight.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 332966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4446D4BD.7A385871@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:25:14 GMT

AVC wrote:
> 
>    Story was meant to be informative rather than funny since I'm sure
> the mistake of unplugging a tool with the switch locked on has led to
> both injuries and damage. I've also had a pant leg ripped almost off by
> getting it too close to my leg, They have a lot of power.


   That is why my drill press has a power switch AND a foot switch.  I'm
disabled and I don't need any injuries that won't heal.  I don't think I
have any power tools with locking power switches anymore.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4446D4F3.B51F5F06@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> 	   <QMh1g.690480$084.173169@attbi_s22> 	   <oVh1g.2826$oW1.1036@bignews1.bellsouth.net> 	   <1145471819.184072.296600@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> 	   <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net> <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net> <e26gsi$oi2$1@reader1.panix.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:26:07 GMT

Tim Mullen wrote:
> 
> In <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:
> 
> >  Ok, that's a funny story, but what does it have to do with a bad
> >armature?
> 
>    Motivation to fix the sander. :)


   It sounds like it ran fine, to me. ;-)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:05:11 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26mo7$e3e$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> 	   <QMh1g.690480$084.173169@attbi_s22> 	   <oVh1g.2826$oW1.1036@bignews1.bellsouth.net> 	   <1145471819.184072.296600@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> 	   <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net> <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net> <e26gsi$oi2$1@reader1.panix.com> <4446D4F3.B51F5F06@earthlink.net>

In <4446D4F3.B51F5F06@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:

>   It sounds like it ran fine, to me. ;-)

   In the most literal sense! :)

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 332969 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:17:46 -0400
Message-ID: <124doa27u3rvs9d@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

Engineer wrote:


> I can't see the short with the light behind it but before I do anything
> rash that may wreck the unit is there any "tuning capacitor repair
> lore" that denizens of this august group could share with me?
> 

If its one of those 3-gang Philips like I'm thinking about you won't be 
getting a business card between the plates!

Disconnect it from the ckt and put a battery across it.  A 9 volter will 
often do the trick.  In the dark you should be able to see a little 
spark and that will tell you which plate(s) are shorting.  If you can't 
see it then up the voltage.

-Bill


Article: 332970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <bqc1g.4141$oQ2.1299@trnddc05>   <1145394582.674850.264450@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <3fpa42tat395293ue5hm6b1tdte7jt14rn@4ax.com> <1145460830.606017.3260@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor!
Message-ID: <K4C1g.139455$0X5.1427209@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:07:00 -0400


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1145460830.606017.3260@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Skippy (MHRIP)

'You hoping or it actually happened ?

Syl 




Article: 332971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <c0sd42l72vvk9db710bea56vb2nvsojjkr@4ax.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e26j67$51$1@news2.kornet.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:35:48 GMT

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:04:49 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
<brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote:

>Nice to see that I'm not the only one that feels this way. People marvel at 
>me for knowing things that would have been common knowledge a generation 
>ago. And they try to say that there has been no dumbing-down of society.

I was reading an AP article in the local paper here a while back about
how cookbook editors are having to dumb-down cookbooks. Can't just say
"beat two eggs" now. The idiots who only know how to shove plastic
cartons in a microwave and punch a few buttons need to be told much
more explicitly how to go about beating two eggs.

And my mother, who used to work at one of the local high schools tells
me that many of the kids there couldn't tell time on an analog clock.

se





Article: 332972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: EH Scott Crossover Question
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:37:35 -0400
Message-ID: <124dsvli1p04cf6@corp.supernews.com>

The first generation of the Scott Phantom FM/AM (12" woofer and 2 4" 
tweeters) used a 2,000 Hz crossover, the second generation a 6,000. Why such 
a big jump? It doesn't seem like the tweeters would do anything except on FM 
with the 6 K crossover, but clearly they added it as an improvement. I ask 
because I am in the process of repro'ing the crossover now (a 2nd order 
Butterworth design).

Thanks,
John H. 




Article: 332973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:59:18 GMT

Rune wrote:


> Most people don't even know what is in the box they are using to get on the 
> web with or what goes on under the hood of their car. It's all too scary and 
> inaccessible.
> 
> How far our culture has fallen.

Interesting comments...but has "our culture fallen" or is it that our 
technology has greatly improved?????

Also, you talk about "most people". "Most people" never knew how to fix 
radios even in the 30s. But there were always a *few* people that *did* 
know how to fix stuff--back then AND today.

...or are you suggesting we should reject improvements /progress and 
become Luddites just so we can buy a 5U4 at the drug store again?    ;-)


Article: 332974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: EH Scott Crossover Question
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:03:54 -0700
Message-ID: <ddud42lscst9v5tbr4uq9g5b1oasuc7ivk@4ax.com>
References: <124dsvli1p04cf6@corp.supernews.com>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:37:35 -0400, "Hagstar"
<yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote:

>The first generation of the Scott Phantom FM/AM (12" woofer and 2 4" 
>tweeters) used a 2,000 Hz crossover, the second generation a 6,000. Why such 
>a big jump? It doesn't seem like the tweeters would do anything except on FM 
>with the 6 K crossover, but clearly they added it as an improvement. I ask 
>because I am in the process of repro'ing the crossover now (a 2nd order 
>Butterworth design). <snip>

6 KHz is the super-tweeter xover realm.  Why they'd do this is hard to
say, but I suspect maybe they were burning out tweeters.  That high's
simply TOO high for a 12" driver to cover at all without beaming and
distorting the upper end of its output.  I'd go back to 2 KHz.  What
are they using for tweeters?


Article: 332975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:34:10 GMT


I'm wondering if anybody knows of any circuit board manufacturers who
are still producing circuit boards using the old brown XXP phenolic
laminate.

I've talked to about a dozen board manufacturers and so far none of
them even know what XXP phenolic is. I know someone is still doing it
because you can find prototyping boards made from it. For example this
one sold by Ocean State Electronics:

http://www.oselectronics.com/Images/pg_48/22-504.jpg

I have an EMail in to them asking if they would be willing to divulge
their supplier so I might be able to work my way up the chain and find
out who's making it but haven't heard back from them yet.

Any help appreciated.

se




Article: 332976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:16:31 -0400
Message-ID: <124dv8l5qq0s93@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <124doa27u3rvs9d@corp.supernews.com> <1145500466.353891.220220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Engineer wrote:


> mixer grid, by-passing the RF stage.  Hate to do things like that,
> though.   
> Cheers,
> Roger

I'd hate to see ya do it too, Roger.  It should be fixable.  Did you 
check the obvious outer plates?  They are usually the first to get bent 
in some way.
-Bill


Article: 332977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:24:37 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>

In <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net> writes:

>Interesting comments...but has "our culture fallen" or is it that our 
>technology has greatly improved?????

   Definitely the latter.  Have we "lost something"?  Oh, I suppose.
Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things, and will
civilization collapse because of it?  I don't think do.

   The example of kids not knowing how to read an analog clock was
also brought up, and is a favorite.  Well, what of it?  Certainly
there are still many places today where not being able to "tell time"
in this manner will be a handicap (I have lots of analog clocks around
my house -- synchronous motor driven, no less), but that's becoming
less and less the case.  Digital clocks work better.  I use analog
clocks solely becuase I like 'em and think they're beautiful.

   It's not like analog clocks are somehow salt-of-the-earth.  They're
human inventions, and have only been around several hundred years.
Few people are conversant with sundials, either.  This doesn't mean
"clockwise" no longer has any bearing.  It's still a useful term for
anything involving rotation.  The fact that some people don't know
what it means is no more relevant than people (probably the same ones)
not knowing their left from their right.

>Also, you talk about "most people". "Most people" never knew how to fix 
>radios even in the 30s. But there were always a *few* people that *did* 
>know how to fix stuff--back then AND today.

   Amen.  Very few people can make their own clothing anymore,
including me.  I buy my jeans at a store.  That works for me.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 332978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <Tmq1g.83485$Jh1.1183606@weber.videotron.net> <jbyrns-1904062144350001@216-80-74-141.d.enteract.com>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Message-ID: <wwD1g.140532$0X5.1480525@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:53 -0400

"John Byrns"  wrote in message

> Hi Syl,
>
> Why doesn't anyone here seem to be able to count, there are 12 tubes in
> this radio, including the eye tube, but _not_ including the ballast!  The
> tube line up is:

Hi John,

My fault came from quickly counting tubes from the chassis drawing. I never 
looked at
the tube count from the parts list which is absent from the link I provided 
(if it's
there, it's friggin tiny). If you look at the chassis drawing from the link, 
a quick look counting
the circles with tube numbers "inside" them is confusing. _Now_ I see the 
other 6SK7 under the eye tube drawing.

I will be more cautious next time, knowing you are around watching
for a mis-step (or mis-count)...

I know of at least one manufacturer which upped it's tube count by including 
_many_ ballasts,
so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody else did.

Syl 




Article: 332979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:53:52 -0400
Message-ID: <124e1enopkef52f@corp.supernews.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com>

Steve Eddy wrote:


> I have an EMail in to them asking if they would be willing to divulge
> their supplier so I might be able to work my way up the chain and find
> out who's making it but haven't heard back from them yet.

It takes divine intervention to get a reply from OSE.

XX phenolic board is still very plentiful but I can't say I've seen it 
copper clad in quite some time.  There's a lot of Cheap Phenolic board 
in imported consumer products but nothing of XX Grade.

GL in your search.  Best bet might be watching ebay to see if some old 
stock pops up.

-Bill


Article: 332980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "DAVID STINSON" <d.stinson5@verizon.net>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Message-ID: <55E1g.6404$oQ2.2533@trnddc05>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:27:45 GMT


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message

> I usually like to get them working before starting a shotgun recap. But
> considering there are + or minus  45 wax caps in the tuner chassis, I need
a
> place to start....

I don't know about this set, but in most you can take a look at the
diagram and find "branch points:" places were the B+ is being
distributed in different directions.  Lift each "branch" one at a time
and see if your load goes away.  Some load will go, of course,
but you'll be looking for a big change.  Once you isolate the
"branch" that's got the leak, it's a lot easier to find the boogy.
It's worked for me many times- hope it works for you.
73 Dave S.




Article: 332981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "DAVID STINSON" <d.stinson5@verizon.net>
References: <bqc1g.4141$oQ2.1299@trnddc05>   <1145394582.674850.264450@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <3fpa42tat395293ue5hm6b1tdte7jt14rn@4ax.com> <1145460830.606017.3260@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor!
Message-ID: <_lE1g.223$iA5.133@trnddc06>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:45:46 GMT


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote

> Stinson & Clones: ....
You know,- he's still being nice, because it's better
to be a bad architype than a good cypher.
Everyone remembers the Roman soldier with the spear.

A nice Peter--  Hmm...
I'll just have to get used to it ;-).
D.S.




Article: 332982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <on5e4216gmmm9fmtd91eegtenjkqv0b1su@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <u6OdnQVKVN1emNrZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:11:29 GMT

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:53:33 -0500, "g. beat" <@<spam protected>>
wrote:

>Steve -
>
>Look at what DIY tube has been doing - quality boards.
>http://www.diytube.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=773
>
>IT LOOKS just like phenolic, BUT it is actually a fiberglass board 
>(non-green) - top quality.

Thanks.

Though while it doesn't look green, it also doesn't look like brown
phenolic. Either it's a really bad photograph or their "Phenolike"  is
just a plain black solder mask. The traces look rather dark brown
through the mask, but the board itself looks quite black to me which
isn't what I was looking for.

se




Article: 332983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <f16e429musmns1qm3frj6kmju196ojp8tu@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <124e1enopkef52f@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:15:06 GMT

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:53:52 -0400, - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote:

>Steve Eddy wrote:
>
>
>> I have an EMail in to them asking if they would be willing to divulge
>> their supplier so I might be able to work my way up the chain and find
>> out who's making it but haven't heard back from them yet.
>
>It takes divine intervention to get a reply from OSE.

Hehehe. Yeah, I probably should have just called them. I'll do that if
I don't have a reply from them in the morning.

>XX phenolic board is still very plentiful but I can't say I've seen it 
>copper clad in quite some time.  There's a lot of Cheap Phenolic board 
>in imported consumer products but nothing of XX Grade.

Yeah. The only time I see it is when it's already been etched and
drilled for proto boards like the ones OSE sells.


>GL in your search.  Best bet might be watching ebay to see if some old 
>stock pops up.

Thanks. That may ultimately be the last resort if I can't find a
current supplier.

se





Article: 332984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <1145301291.138845.301800@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <lGZ0g.2665$Lm5.1840@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> <1145381868.897077.158290@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: stepping down gracefully
Message-ID: <RBF1g.12712$4L1.10470@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:10:57 GMT


"ablebravo" <aburnham@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1145381868.897077.158290@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> okay.  i understand that.  thanks.  i was thinking if the consumption
> could be 30w you would need something rated for that.  tranny is 50va,
> and the watts/va converter i could find put that about the right va for
> 30w.  somewhat overkill, but not a lot.  like everything else i find
> out about radios/electronics there actually seems to be some debate
> regarding the conversion factor ;-)

Try putting the 100 ohm 10 watt resistor in the secondary circuit (in SERIES
with secondary, not in PARALLEL).  Should solve your problem.




Article: 332985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com> <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <HDz1g.39785$x97.12429@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <KIF1g.12713$4L1.5204@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:18:18 GMT


"Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> wrote in message
news:HDz1g.39785$x97.12429@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...

> No wonder kids don't have any interest in science anymore. They never get
> their hands on it and it seems remote, unreal, and probably dangerous. By
> the time they get to High School they are conditioned to hate it.

I went to the website of a school science supply company and read their
safety recommendations concerning an experiment using... tada... water and
epsom salt.  You'da thought it was sulfuric acid.




Article: 332986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Message-ID: <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:04:19 GMT


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
news:124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com...

>  Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact
> thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap?

This might be using a cannon on a fly.  Use your ohmmeter, after having bled
off your B+ capacitors and removing the tubes.  If ohmmeter says something
under one ohm it's definitely shorted :-/




Article: 332987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <124doa27u3rvs9d@corp.supernews.com> <1145500466.353891.220220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
Message-ID: <dyG1g.67760$H71.18288@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:15:21 GMT


"Engineer" <analogdino@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1145500466.353891.220220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Bill, you're right - no room for even a thin business card, these are
> **very** close plates.
> I had notions of using a low voltage souce to detect the short, even
> using a high current source to "singe" the high spot in some way but,
> as I said, I don't want to totally wreck it.

Maybe there's a speck of something like carbon or a metal shaving or bit of
solder in there.  Try flushing it out with a residue free cleaner while
completely open.

I'd be wary of hanging a battery right across the cap like someone
suggested, you might kill the battery before you can find the short, or you
might weld the spot making the problem worse.   Use something current
limited like a light bulb in series with 120 volt line.  Start with small
light bulb like a 7 watt Christmas tree bulb and increase gradually in
wattage till you can see the spark.

Would a sheet of emery paper fit in there?  That might be useful for
"sanding away" the short once you find it.




Article: 332988 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:41:38 GMT

Tim Mullen wrote:
> 
> In <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net> writes:
> 
> >Interesting comments...but has "our culture fallen" or is it that our
> >technology has greatly improved?????
> 
>    Definitely the latter.  Have we "lost something"?  Oh, I suppose.
> Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things, and will
> civilization collapse because of it?  I don't think do.
> 
>    The example of kids not knowing how to read an analog clock was
> also brought up, and is a favorite.  Well, what of it?  Certainly
> there are still many places today where not being able to "tell time"
> in this manner will be a handicap (I have lots of analog clocks around
> my house -- synchronous motor driven, no less), but that's becoming
> less and less the case.  Digital clocks work better.  I use analog
> clocks solely becuase I like 'em and think they're beautiful.
> 
>    It's not like analog clocks are somehow salt-of-the-earth.  They're
> human inventions, and have only been around several hundred years.
> Few people are conversant with sundials, either.  This doesn't mean
> "clockwise" no longer has any bearing.  It's still a useful term for
> anything involving rotation.  The fact that some people don't know
> what it means is no more relevant than people (probably the same ones)
> not knowing their left from their right.
> 
> >Also, you talk about "most people". "Most people" never knew how to fix
> >radios even in the 30s. But there were always a *few* people that *did*
> >know how to fix stuff--back then AND today.
> 
>    Amen.  Very few people can make their own clothing anymore,
> including me.  I buy my jeans at a store.  That works for me.


   There were a lot of people who couldn't read analog clocks 30 years
ago.  I designed a digital master clock system in the '70s and couldn't
sell it because their fear that people wouldn't learn to read analog
clocks if they didn't see them at school.

   Some people even had to have male and female threads explained to
them. :(


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332989 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:43:28 GMT

HiTech RedNeck wrote:
> 
> "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> news:124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com...
> 
> >  Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact
> > thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap?
> 
> This might be using a cannon on a fly.  Use your ohmmeter, after having bled
> off your B+ capacitors and removing the tubes.  If ohmmeter says something
> under one ohm it's definitely shorted :-/


   What kind of power supply would allow him to have 230 volts across a
dead short?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332990 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44473BE2.9A53831A@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <55E1g.6404$oQ2.2533@trnddc05>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:45:22 GMT

DAVID STINSON wrote:
> 
> "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> 
> > I usually like to get them working before starting a shotgun recap. But
> > considering there are + or minus  45 wax caps in the tuner chassis, I need
> a
> > place to start....
> 
> I don't know about this set, but in most you can take a look at the
> diagram and find "branch points:" places were the B+ is being
> distributed in different directions.  Lift each "branch" one at a time
> and see if your load goes away.  Some load will go, of course,
> but you'll be looking for a big change.  Once you isolate the
> "branch" that's got the leak, it's a lot easier to find the boogy.
> It's worked for me many times- hope it works for you.
> 73 Dave S.


   This is one step in the logical troubleshooting of a problem.  When
you've honed these skills, troubleshooting is a lot faster and easier. 
I've taught it for 30 years, to those who will listen.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332991 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Message-ID: <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:51:18 GMT


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net...
> HiTech RedNeck wrote:
> >
> > "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> > news:124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > >  Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact
> > > thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap?
> >
> > This might be using a cannon on a fly.  Use your ohmmeter, after having
bled
> > off your B+ capacitors and removing the tubes.  If ohmmeter says
something
> > under one ohm it's definitely shorted :-/
>
>
>    What kind of power supply would allow him to have 230 volts across a
> dead short?

Could be an indirect effect, such as a grid being pulled way positive due to
shorted cap from a plate to that grid, which would suck down the B+ both due
to current thru the shorted cap and the grid, and the plate current of the
tube whose grid is thus affected.




Article: 332992 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44473E8C.221D7E7C@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:56:45 GMT

Steve Eddy wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering if anybody knows of any circuit board manufacturers who
> are still producing circuit boards using the old brown XXP phenolic
> laminate.
> 
> I've talked to about a dozen board manufacturers and so far none of
> them even know what XXP phenolic is. I know someone is still doing it
> because you can find prototyping boards made from it. For example this
> one sold by Ocean State Electronics:
> 
> http://www.oselectronics.com/Images/pg_48/22-504.jpg
> 
> I have an EMail in to them asking if they would be willing to divulge
> their supplier so I might be able to work my way up the chain and find
> out who's making it but haven't heard back from them yet.
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> se


   You might have to buy it from China.  They are still dumping cheap
consumer electronics built with it on the American market.

   BTW, have you checked the online version of the EEM cataloging?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332993 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com>
Subject: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:55:54 GMT

I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who was 
assigned by corporate to fix my problem.

What was it?  Drum roll please . . .

Newsgroup access was turned off!  When signing up, the server sets up 
"permissions" for accessing e-mail, the web, DSL, etc.  When Truevoice gets 
activated, sometimes this automatically shuts off the permission for Usenet. 
All a tech needs to do is turn it back on!  Everybody should know this, even 
those guys in India.

So why did it take some 30 phone calls, a month of non-service, and a call 
to corporate?  They're investigating.  Meanwhile I'm still down, sort of, as 
it takes 24 hours to restore service.  However he noticed (another duh!) 
that I have a secondary address, with mindspring instead of cybergate.  If I 
sign on using mindspring, it works.

He also told me he would straighten out the equipment problem, and that I'll 
get "compensation" for the whole mess.

My God!  How hard is THAT?  Sheesh!


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 332994 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: John Bartley <oldrad@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: OT: schematic for a tube code practice oscillator
References: <e279t4$9sdt$1@news3.infoave.net>
Message-ID: <RRJ1g.2127$DR6.158246@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:01:06 -0400

Benjamaniac wrote:
>      I'm looking for a schematic of a tube type code practice oscillator to
> build for my daughter. Sounds like a fun project to build. Anybody have a
> schematic of one of there ??
>            Ben
> 
> 


Ben,

Try the back of the RCA tube manuals. They usually have sample circuits 
in a section there and there's often a simple oscillator. If you don;t 
have such a book, let me know and I'll scan one for you.

cheers


-- 
regards from ::

John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

( If you slow down it takes longer
        - does that apply to life also?)


Article: 332995 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:24:41 -0400
Message-ID: <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>

Sorry, guys, I'm an idiot. Turns out the massive load on this huge sets DOES 
draw the B+ down to 250 volts. The  power supply puts out 400+ volts, but 
the specs clearly call for 250 at the top of the voltage divider.

I've *never* seen a set with the B+ dropping so much undere load, so I 
assumed something was shorted and it's not ! Sorry!

John H. 




Article: 332996 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Repairing TO carcass and...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:51:38 +0900
Message-ID: <e27sjg$f6d$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net>


"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
news:e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net...
> thinking of making it into a radio again. Anyone got spare H500 parts? I 
> would need to eventually find a case, both antennas, and knobs. All I have 
> is this poor, beat up chassis that I am slowly bringing back to life (I DO 
> love a challenge.)


Finished recapping this carcass tonight.. all but the two that are buried 
under the BCB LO coil.. and it really sounds great now... best audio I have 
ever heard on a TO, and it's not even in a cabinet. Now I just need to work 
on getting the rest of the bands working.. as of now it's got a really hot 
BCB and 4-8 MHz bands.. nothing on the rest, I figure the coil tower is in 
drastic need of a cleansing.





Article: 332997 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com>
Subject: Sarasota Swap Meet -- this Saturday
Message-ID: <ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:34:17 GMT

Just a reminder -- the Sarasota Antique Radio Club Show And Swap Meet is 
this Saturday.  Doors open at 8:00 AM, will run till about 11:00 AM.

>From that truckload of stuff we picked up in February, we will have four 
carloads and a pickup-load of stuff for sale at the meet.  Assorted table 
radios, some 1920's bandbox radios, lots of early TV schematics, a few early 
TV's, a wire recorder, several phonos both bakelite and wood, lots of 78 rpm 
records, and LOTS of assorted stuff!  Trust me; we don't want to fill our 
vehicles again!

It is at the Knights of Columbus on Fruitville Road in Sarasota.  From out 
of town, take I-75 to Exit 210, Fruitville Road.  Head west toward town. 
Once you pass the shopping centers, get in the left lane, and when you see a 
KFC, put your blinker on.  The Knights of Columbus is right after.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 332998 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: nospam4me@mytrashmail.com
Subject: Re: How vinyl records are made on YouTube
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:20 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e2809s$rp4$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145522136.073707.259080@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

Steven <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=forwardbound

> Just added recently, pretty interesting but no explosives

> (just vinyl getting SQUISHED by presses)

Note they use the "metal" pulled from the lacquer master as the stamper;
suggests low volume as I believe you only get 1,000 good records from a 
stamper.

-- 
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 Herb Oxley
 From: address IS Valid.


Article: 332999 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <jXL1g.434$U%4.34273@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:23:37 -0400

"Gary Tayman"  wrote in message

>I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who was 
>assigned by corporate to fix my problem.

Dod they read R.A.R+P ?

Syl 




Article: 333000 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David Stinson" <d.stinson5@verizon.net>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Message-ID: <K0M1g.11$4D2.0@trnddc01>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:29:14 GMT


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> I've *never* seen a set with the B+ dropping so much undere load, so I
> assumed something was shorted and it's not !

You know that's got to be hard on the componants, too.
Reminds me of the Euro radios that run 350 and more volts
on a simple consumer set.  Bad idea, I think.
D.S.




Article: 333001 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Frank Dresser" <analogdial@worldnet.att.net>
References: <1145301291.138845.301800@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <9KT0g.15028$IZ2.11853@dukeread07> <1145382122.912509.287880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: stepping down gracefully
Message-ID: <ahM1g.25308$az4.13974@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:46:46 GMT


"ablebravo" <aburnham@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1145382122.912509.287880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> gread idea-- yes (see below) did that, but don't know enough to be sure
> that the supplied voltage this way is sufficient.  it's 98v when the
> minimum called for is 105 w/max of 125.
> ab
>

Only your heater string would be below Hallicrafter's minimum, which might
make the radio underperform with marginal emission tubes.  The rectifier
will charge the input filter capacitor to something close to the peak of the
AC wave form which ought to give more B+ than what you'd get with 105V DC,
assuming the rectifier tube had adaquate emission.

If the radio with the transformer in step down mode still works OK with 105
volts AC on the line, I'd be satisfied.

Frank Dresser




Article: 333002 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com>
Subject: Kutztown - Where to stay?
Message-ID: <miM1g.4$5q4.1@trndny03>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:48:02 GMT

I went last year and stayed at a ....seedy.....motel in town that double 
billed my AmEx (hopefully an innocent error).  Does anyone have a suggestion 
on motels in the area?  Where did Paris stay when she was there?

Thanks,

Paul P.





Article: 333003 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:43:10 -0600
Message-ID: <13577-44478FEE-226@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net>
References: <K0M1g.11$4D2.0@trnddc01>

Back to finding a bad cap that has partly shorted ...power up Monitor B+
then clip one lead of each cap one at a time then tack it back with
solder if you are replacing them later .



Article: 333004 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <124doa27u3rvs9d@corp.supernews.com>   <1145500466.353891.220220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <dyG1g.67760$H71.18288@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <1145537679.004569.69130@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <CsM1g.5528$WA3.4996@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:58:58 GMT

The problem with this capacitor is the very small plate spacing.
You should try using a jewelers eye loupe, at least a 10X one and
do a close physical inspection of the plates. Both  open and
closed. Look for a shiny spot where they were touching. A good
directed light source is a must for this. But it's not any more
difficult than looking for delaminated plating on surface mount
chip components.

Jeff

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the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
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under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333005 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How vinyl records are made on YouTube
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:43:28 -0700
Message-ID: <8e7f429evbgsjp3p7b0kv2e0i1oko8noq6@4ax.com>
References: <1145522136.073707.259080@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <e2809s$rp4$1@reader1.panix.com>

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:20 +0000 (UTC), nospam4me@mytrashmail.com
wrote:

>Steven <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=forwardbound
>
>> Just added recently, pretty interesting but no explosives
>
>> (just vinyl getting SQUISHED by presses)
>
>Note they use the "metal" pulled from the lacquer master as the stamper;
>suggests low volume as I believe you only get 1,000 good records from a 
>stamper. <snip>

FAR less than that.  If you got 500 "clean" vinyl copies from one
stamper, you were VERY lucky.  Most schlock released in the late '70s
and up to the end, loaded with malformations and "ticks and pops" were
run that far, but good LPs never came from such an overused stamper.


Article: 333006 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:48:45 -0400
Message-ID: <124f7qii29v0e06@corp.supernews.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <jXL1g.434$U%4.34273@weber.videotron.net>

Syl wrote:
> "Gary Tayman"  wrote in message
> 
> 
>>I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who was 
>>assigned by corporate to fix my problem.
> 
> 
> Dod they read R.A.R+P ?
> 
> Syl 
> 
> 
No, they can't access Usenet.
:)

-Bill


Article: 333007 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Duh! Earthlink found the problem!
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:23:10 -0500
Message-ID: <20789-4447A75E-182@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145545936.688263.226670@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

I access Usenet even with my po old dumb Philips Magnavox Mat 976 webtv
unit.How dumb is that?
By the way,for computer drivers updates,stuff like that.Check out
www.driveragent.com
cuhulin 



Article: 333008 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4447AB67.CEAB137C@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:41:17 GMT

"shoppa@trailing-edge.com" wrote:
> 
> Rune wrote:
> > Not long ago these were common feats. Drug and auto supply shops had tube
> > testers. Nobody would have been impressed that you got your TV or radio
> > going again. Now it's an arcane skill.
> 
> When I got started, the old-timers made fun of me because I could go to
> the local electronics store and buy resistors and capacitor off the
> shelf.
> 
> When they were getting started, they turned their own terminals on a
> lathe, wound their own capacitors with foil and paper and wax, and cut
> the rotors and stators of their variable caps out of pie tins. I had it
> "easy" and was a newbie who didn't understand what the real world was
> like.


   I have a couple rolls of metalized mylar and a roll of component lead
>from the plant Sprague closed in Orlando.  Want to "roll your own"? ;-)

 
> Admittedly these comparisons are commonly with a certain amount of
> hyperbole ("When I was a kid I had to walk uphil to school both ways",
> "When I was a kid I lived in a cardboard box and my dad killed me every
> day" etc.) and I can only wonder what it'll be like in another twenty
> years - "When I was a kid we had could decode TCP/IP packets by putting
> our tongue in the Cisco router socket"!
> 
> Tim.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333009 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4447AC0C.BFF428F2@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:44:02 GMT

HiTech RedNeck wrote:
> 
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net...
> > HiTech RedNeck wrote:
> > >
> > > "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > >  Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact
> > > > thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap?
> > >
> > > This might be using a cannon on a fly.  Use your ohmmeter, after having
> bled
> > > off your B+ capacitors and removing the tubes.  If ohmmeter says
> something
> > > under one ohm it's definitely shorted :-/
> >
> >
> >    What kind of power supply would allow him to have 230 volts across a
> > dead short?
> 
> Could be an indirect effect, such as a grid being pulled way positive due to
> shorted cap from a plate to that grid, which would suck down the B+ both due
> to current thru the shorted cap and the grid, and the plate current of the
> tube whose grid is thus affected.


   It was a rhetorical question.  If its "Shorted" there would be zero
ohms, and you can not get a 250 volt drop across a dead short.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333010 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Telefunken 5384W
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:56:40 -0500
Message-ID: <20789-4447AF38-186@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <C06CF6CC.44940%jmsent2@comcast.net>

I own a Telefunken Opus 7 radio similar to that radio.I bought it for
four dollars at a Goodwill store about ten years ago.My Telefunken Opus
7 radio is in very good to excellent physical and cosmetic condition and
it has the original knobs and has all of the tubes.The cabinet is a dark
black color and the speakers grills on the radio's sides are set at an
angle.There is an envelope glued to the inside of the rear panel of the
radio,inside of the envelope is a paper schematic of the radio.There
wasen't a power cord with the radio.I once read somewhere that I need a
polarized power cord for the radio,otherwise,I dont know if the radio
works or not.I once checked tubesandmore.com,but I didn't see a toll
free phone number at that website.

I also own a Grundig (I believe Telefunken built that Grunndig radio)
AM/FM/Shortwave/Phonograph wooden cabinet floor model radio,which I
believe, according to a date I saw in one of the two owners/operating
booklets dates to 1957.The radio does work,but it doesn't put out much
sound/audio.I bought that radio for fourteen dollars at the same
Goodwill store about twelve years ago.The radio is in good physical and
cosmetic condition and also has the original knobs and tubes.
I agree,when Grundig moved to China,those Chinese built Grundig radios
turned into crap. 
cuhulin



Article: 333011 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Kutztown - Where to stay?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:58:46 -0500
Message-ID: <20790-4447AFB6-46@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145543534.954487.291810@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

The Kutztown space alien ship.
cuhulin



Article: 333012 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT:  Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:18:40 -0500
Message-ID: <20789-4447B460-191@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I own a lot of old,old,old hand tools and some old power tools.I love to
collect all kinds of old,old,old things.
I know how to clean them up (mineral spirits) and replace the power
cords and brushes,but alas and alack,that is about all I know how to do
with them.I dont doubt Flanagan's electric (commercial and industial)
tools sales and service company here in Jackson can repair whatever
kinds of power tools.But they probally would also tell me it would cost
more than they are worth.Those hand tools and power tools back in those
years really had style and charm and charisma and chracter,just like my
1914 Model T Ford car has. 
cuhulin



Article: 333013 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David Stinson" <d.stinson5@verizon.net>
Subject: Cute Novelty Radio  (FA, Not Mine)
Message-ID: <owP1g.2273$gt.646@trnddc04>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:27:48 GMT

This is kinda cute, in an ugly sorta way:

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ6620396539

Cheap, too.




Article: 333014 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:44:30 -0400
Message-ID: <124fi45icfu9737@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <Tmq1g.83485$Jh1.1183606@weber.videotron.net> <jbyrns-1904062144350001@216-80-74-141.d.enteract.com> <wwD1g.140532$0X5.1480525@wagner.videotron.net> <kdmdnR67P8dBktrZRVn-gw@comcast.com> <DrO1g.72865$dW3.26645@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> <CbGdnZwAO6tkX9rZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Mark Oppat wrote:

> you're not kidding, Larry.  They should've marketed that set as a space
> heater!
> 
> You wonder,  WHY load up the set with tubes that do nothing much....  since
> those tubes cost money too, and the associated sockets, etc...  seems like
> little savings in the manufacturing end.   To what result?  A ruined
> reputation and a poor performing radio (if you were expecting 10 or 11 tube
> performance!)
> 
> Mark Oppat

The 1129 is an 8 tube circuit.  Yes, I suppose they could have combined 
the detector+1st audio with a 75 instead of using two separate 76s...but 
apart from that everything else is justified.  Push-pull audio so it 
'needs' a phase inverter.
Aside from the creative marketing surrounding the 11 'tubes', is there 
any reason that it would run any hotter than any other 8 tube set?  Same 
amount of juice is being dissipated whether it be by a ballast or 
dropping resistor or even a power xfmr.

-Bill


Article: 333015 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <jXL1g.434$U%4.34273@weber.videotron.net> <124f7qii29v0e06@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <0QP1g.461$U%4.57116@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:48:54 -0400

"- exray -" <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message 
news:124f7qii29v0e06@corp.supernews.com...
> Syl wrote:
>> "Gary Tayman"  wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who 
>>>was assigned by corporate to fix my problem.
>>
>>
>> Dod they read R.A.R+P ?
>>
>> Syl
> No, they can't access Usenet.
> :)
>
> -Bill


Thanks for the laugh....

Syl 




Article: 333016 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:21:51 -0500
Message-ID: <20789-4447D13F-205@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I have an old belt sander that is mounted on a floor stand.It has a
G.E.Motor on it.I bought it years ago at the Salvation Army thrift store
for about six dollars.I didn't realize the motor was full of sawdust
when I plugged it in.It ran ok for a few seconds though.No big problem
though,I have some real good electric motors here.
cuhulin 



Article: 333017 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <5ttf42t178boddg2uljsptdcdpe9nshbe6@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <65O1g.72860$dW3.50852@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:07:18 GMT

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:50:26 GMT, Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
wrote:

>Just curious as to why you would want it...IIRC, some of that stuff was 
>hygroscopic (absorbs water) and would tend to warp.

You really wanna know? Largely for aesthetics. :)

Though while the X and XX stuff was qiute hygroscopic, the XP and XXP
material is much less so from what I understand. And technically, the
dielectric constant of XXP (or FR-2) is actually slightly better than
FR-4 glass epoxy.

se





Article: 333018 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <p0uf42h4aovqdqct43cmrmd1pcon9d0d9g@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <1145536748.834794.313670@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:10:48 GMT

On 20 Apr 2006 05:39:08 -0700, "Terry S" <tschw10117@aol.com> wrote:

>The reason you don't see it much anymore is that it doesn't meet
>current standards for flammability. Everyone has gone to FR-4 or a
>similar newer substrate.
>
>You likely couldn't get a UL listing using any of the old circuit board
>materials like XXP or G10.

Actually FR-2 would be ok with me as well. That's a fire retardant
version of XXP. But I can't even find anyone doing that. One place
that actually included FR-2 as among the materials that they make
circuit boards from on their website wrote me back and said they
couldn't find any.

Ah well. So much for being a Luddite. :)

se




Article: 333019 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <47uf42t6veesppbrccckr9umrk2fh4pm40@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <44473E8C.221D7E7C@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:14:39 GMT

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:56:45 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


>   You might have to buy it from China.  They are still dumping cheap
>consumer electronics built with it on the American market.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of and what I REALLY wanted to avoid. 

>   BTW, have you checked the online version of the EEM cataloging?

Yes. Didn't have any luck. Which wasn't surprising as their printed
catalog never really had much listed in it in the way of circuit board
substrates anyway.

se




Article: 333020 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 592 ringer
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:17:25 -0700
Message-ID: <vltf42ldovi97sgpdeoljgjjgi4nbkc41r@4ax.com>
References: <1145562761.572387.63080@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 20 Apr 2006 12:52:41 -0700, "pattyb" <pbetterly@gmail.com> wrote:

>I just purchased a Western Electric 592 aw extension ringer and I'm
>having trouble getting it to work. The connection block is labeled e bc
>k r. Can anyone tell me how to wire this? <snip>

That's the garden variety "loud" ringer used for decades...very common
in Bell companies.  My fading memory of those tells me that wiring tip
to R and ring to E should allow it to pick off the 105 VPDC off the
loop and have it ring properly.  The "ringer equivalency" will be
around 1.6A, as I remember those oldies.

>Do I need any other parts besides the bell? <snip>

Connects right across the subscriber loop; no other subset parts
necessary.


Article: 333021 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken <wklwns@cox.net>
Subject: Re: How vinyl records are made on YouTube
References: <1145522136.073707.259080@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <1XS1g.1862$fG3.164@dukeread09>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:20:56 -0400

How do you get the video? Where is the go gettie button? Ken

Steven wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=forwardbound
> 
> Just added recently, pretty interesting but no explosives
> 
> (just vinyl getting SQUISHED by presses)
> 



Article: 333022 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Sarasota Swap Meet -- this Saturday
Message-ID: <EUS1g.8852$7u6.6518@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:18:28 GMT


Gary Tayman <gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...

> some 1920's bandbox radios,

I'm kind of new to this, what is a "1920's bandbox radio"???

Ron





Article: 333023 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark S" <mshucks2@earthlink.net>
References: <miM1g.4$5q4.1@trndny03>
Subject: Re: Kutztown - Where to stay?
Message-ID: <%yT1g.9424$i41.8504@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:03:39 GMT


"Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com> wrote in message 
news:miM1g.4$5q4.1@trndny03...
>I went last year and stayed at a ....seedy.....motel in town that double 
>billed my AmEx (hopefully an innocent error).  Does anyone have a 
>suggestion on motels in the area?  Where did Paris stay when she was there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul P.
>
Hi Paul,
The Renninger's web site has a few choices, follow the website 
"accomodations" link. You might want to check out the Bed & Breakfast 
choices as well, out in PA Dutch Country they can be pretty good. I don't 
have a personal suggestion as to which one. I've only been to a few around 
the Adamstown Renningers, but they were worth it.
Best Regards,
MarkS 




Article: 333024 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44480DB5.A189EDA3@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:40:56 GMT

AVC wrote:
> 
>    Not only did it run fine , it run fast.


   Just like the one on "Home Improvement"?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333025 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Sarasota Swap Meet -- this Saturday
Message-ID: <3i4g42hijmg9v26qudd9n7ddjlfn5hhor1@4ax.com>
References: <ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <EUS1g.8852$7u6.6518@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:59:12 GMT

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:18:28 GMT, " Ron in Radio Heaven"
<kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com> wrote:

>
>Gary Tayman <gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>> some 1920's bandbox radios,
>
>I'm kind of new to this, what is a "1920's bandbox radio"???
>
>Ron
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/1928-Crosley-Bandbox-Radio-Brochure_W0QQitemZ6617391842QQcategoryZ38034QQcmdZViewItem
Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 333026 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:46:30 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net>

In <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:

>   Some people even had to have male and female threads explained to
>them. :(

   At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why plugs and
sockets were called male & female.  Uh-oh!

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Article: 333027 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:50:29 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e29a8l$mio$2@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>    <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>    <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net>    <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <1145534474.139792.201060@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

In <1145534474.139792.201060@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes:

>"When I was a kid we had could decode TCP/IP packets by putting
>our tongue in the Cisco router socket"!

   One of my favorite Dilberts had the characters engaged in
such one-upmanship:

   "...we only had ones and zeros..."

   "You had zeros?  We had to use the letter "O"."

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 333028 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Cute Novelty Radio (FA, Not Mine)
References: <owP1g.2273$gt.646@trnddc04> <1145570467.865589.134910@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <c7W1g.9052$3W1.7486@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:58:48 GMT

Sorry Terry, didn't see your posting. I just bagged it for myself.
It's the PERFECT gift for a friend of mine's father that's a rail
road affectionado.

Jeff

Terry S wrote:

> I like it.... and it's only a stone's throw from me....
> 
> Terry.
> 
> 
> David Stinson wrote:
> 
>>This is kinda cute, in an ugly sorta way:
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ6620396539
>>
>>Cheap, too.
> 
> 

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the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
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under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333029 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <fdW1g.9054$3W1.8946@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:05:15 GMT



Tom Adkins wrote:
>  The entire chassis has been recapped sometime in the (distant?)past. 
> All light green Cornell-Dublier caps with a couple of brown dipped CDEs 
> for good measure.

The brown dipped CDE are ok. The green Spragues are crap.
I had a Heathkit Capacitor substitution box and they were all bad.

Jeff


-- 
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the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333030 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44482FD5.FE5B0F46@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:06:35 GMT

Tim Mullen wrote:
> 
> In <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:
> 
> >   Some people even had to have male and female threads explained to
> >them. :(
> 
>    At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why plugs and
> sockets were called male & female.  Uh-oh!


   You would be charged with sexual harassment for answering that
question, these days. :(


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333031 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4448303E.236F6BE3@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <fdW1g.9054$3W1.8946@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:08:20 GMT

Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
> 
> Tom Adkins wrote:
> >  The entire chassis has been recapped sometime in the (distant?)past.
> > All light green Cornell-Dublier caps with a couple of brown dipped CDEs
> > for good measure.
> 
> The brown dipped CDE are ok. The green Spragues are crap.
> I had a Heathkit Capacitor substitution box and they were all bad.
> 
> Jeff


   Yes, they were CDE's answer to the Sprague Orange drops.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333032 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <JwW1g.180$Gg.160@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:26:01 GMT

I have a box of NOS CD PM 655 .05 at 600v green caps and all check out 
perfect at 600v on my IT-28 for leakage. These are Difilm caps, same as 
orange drop construction. I see no need to change them, what are the 
stock numbers on them?

Tom Adkins wrote:
>  Well, I finally had time to pull the chassis on the 12-S471 and have a 
> look. I got a couple of surprises.
>  The entire chassis has been recapped sometime in the (distant?)past. 
> All light green Cornell-Dublier caps with a couple of brown dipped CDEs 
> for good measure. The electrolytics are fairly recent multi section in 
> cardboard tubes, I'll likely replace these just because. The output 
> transformer was replaced with a Stanton riveted to the chassis. I'm 
> guessing all this was done in the late 60s-early 70s. The work was 
> nicely done with no flying leads or blobby solder joints. Someone paid a 
> pretty penny to have this radio repaired way back when. The dial belt 
> was a black rubber oring, dried and broken. The power transformer 
> doesn't show any signs of overheating.
>   The biggest issues are a frozen tuning mechanism and deteriorated 
> rubber coated wiring to the tuning eye and grid caps. I'll have to 
> attend to these issues before I do anything else.
>  Now I'm wondering how reliable those green caps are. I'm not sure if 
> they are just crappy paper caps in nice molded shells. Any thoughts?
> I haven't powered it up yet because I no longer have a variac. I'm going 
> to rig up a dim bulb tester for the time being.


Article: 333033 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44483657.641B2552@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com> <OvidnXTIOqDCrNXZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:34:22 GMT

William Sommerwerck wrote:
> 
> > At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why
> > plugs and sockets were called male & female. Uh-oh!
> 
> I hate to think how she'd have reacted to hermaphroditic connectors...
> 
> I once suggested to a major connector manufacturer that, instead of
> referring to male and female jackscrews, they call them "johnscrews" and
> "janescrews". I don't think they "got it".


   They ignored it, like your ideas of axial leads?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333034 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com>
Message-ID: <_1X1g.4475$Lm5.688@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:01:30 GMT

Tim Mullen wrote:
> In <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:
> 
>>   Some people even had to have male and female threads explained to
>> them. :(
> 
>    At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why plugs and
> sockets were called male & female.  Uh-oh!
> 
So what is "the rest of the story"? Don't leave us hanging...


Article: 333035 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Edison cylinder spring
From: lherault@bu.edu
References: <MtW1g.320$Vn.131@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <q8X1g.2376$F65.1542@trndny04>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:08:22 GMT

Depends on where you are.  I'm in MA nearer Providence RI.  I can do it for
him.  Then there is APSCO in Davenport Center NY, George Vollema in Newyago
MI and Wyatt's in CA, just to name a few.

Ron L


Article: 333036 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1145579232.013349.315200@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Duh! Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <b8X1g.651$U%4.152496@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:17 -0400


<pgonshor@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1145579232.013349.315200@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> You know, this whole problem is due to Earthlink making bookooo bucks,
> which causes them to lay-off anybody who knows anything (and gets a
> decent salary).  This is typical for them, in my opinion.  It is all
> about the $$$.  If you see an ISP not making bucks, try them.  If you
> see and ISP making money, look out for poor quality service.  India, he
> you come!
> Dave


Microsoft tech support: http://www.oldradioz.com/temp/techsupport.jpg
Like so many others...

Syl 




Article: 333037 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:11:03 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e29ig7$78v$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com> <_1X1g.4475$Lm5.688@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>

In <_1X1g.4475$Lm5.688@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net> writes:

>Tim Mullen wrote:

>>    At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why plugs and
>> sockets were called male & female.  Uh-oh!
>> 
>So what is "the rest of the story"? Don't leave us hanging...

   Heh.  Nothing exciting.  I imagine I either said "never mind"
or gave her A Look.  No demonstration ensued. :)

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Article: 333038 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com> <_1X1g.4475$Lm5.688@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> <e29ig7$78v$1@reader1.panix.com>
Message-ID: <FCY1g.5968$543.3955@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:48:53 GMT



Tim Mullen wrote:
>    Heh.  Nothing exciting.  I imagine I either said "never mind"
> or gave her A Look.  No demonstration ensued. :)

Working in a tool store has it's moments. A customer walked up to
my service counter and asked to borrow a file. I asked if he wanted
a flat bastard. His response? "No, give me one of those round mother
fu**ers."

Ya know, it was customers like him that had me looking forward to
coming into work.

Jeff

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the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333039 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: ZENITH bakelite tube radio Item number: 6623470686 
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:16:43 -0400
Message-ID: <124gn5kfnimlr66@corp.supernews.com>
References: <HmX1g.336$Vn.146@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <JoKdnfb2H_NexNXZRVn-vg@comcast.com>

"Thes radio has a good long AC power cord and a nice dial light"


:)




Article: 333040 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:39:12 -0400
Message-ID: <124gofmn0l204be@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <Tmq1g.83485$Jh1.1183606@weber.videotron.net> <jbyrns-1904062144350001@216-80-74-141.d.enteract.com> <wwD1g.140532$0X5.1480525@wagner.videotron.net> <kdmdnR67P8dBktrZRVn-gw@comcast.com> <DrO1g.72865$dW3.26645@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> <CbGdnZwAO6tkX9rZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <124fi45icfu9737@corp.supernews.com> <S-6dndJzOq9g_dXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>

Mark Oppat wrote:

> I seem to recall the 11 tube Kadette had PP output but 4 tubes, 2 each in
> parallel.   All to drive a 6" speaker in the table set!  Goofy, and stupid.
> Seems like they were 25L6's but I cant recall without pulling the Riders.
> 
> Mark Oppat

The 1129 has a pair of 41s.

-Bill


Article: 333041 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:58:55 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.04.21.04.58.55.364466@nospam.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <u6OdnQVKVN1emNrZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com> <on5e4216gmmm9fmtd91eegtenjkqv0b1su@4ax.com> <8Oydnf8Ehpm1TtrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:29:54 -0500,  wrote:

> "Steve Eddy" <steve@q-audio.com> wrote in message 
> news:on5e4216gmmm9fmtd91eegtenjkqv0b1su@4ax.com...
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Though while it doesn't look green, it also doesn't look like brown
>> phenolic. Either it's a really bad photograph or their "Phenolike"  is
>> just a plain black solder mask. The traces look rather dark brown
>> through the mask, but the board itself looks quite black to me which
>> isn't what I was looking for.
>>
>> se
>>
> Well on my monitor it is dark brown (dark chocolate brown).
> 
> All of these boards are .092" thick -- which matches the old style phenolic 
> in late 1950s and 1960s
> that was used with vacuum tubes circuits.
> 
> Other colors are possible as part of the solder mask screen -- ask you 
> specific shop -
> choose the PPG color of your choice.  these boards were designed by 
> University of Illinois group (DIY tube).
> 
> Blue
> http://www.diytube.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=666
> 
> Ruby Red solder mask
> http://www.diytube.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=947
> 
> g. beat

I use black solder mask on the boards I design at work.  They come out
black all over; you can hardly see the traces.  You have to turn the board
so that you can see the difference in thickness.  There are some board
shops that will custom mix colors, maybe that's what they used.

An old-time board wouldn't have any solder mask.  The traces would be bare
their entire length.  You could simulate that in a modern process by
laying out the solder mask to not cover the traces.  I don't know how hard
that is to do but it is possible; I've had our PC layout guy do it.  Then
you could use the solder mask as a color to make the board look like you
want.  Be aware that some colors of solder mask are transparent.  Ask if
they have a sample of the color you want.

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

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Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


Article: 333042 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: OT: schematic for a tube code practice oscillator
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:09:54 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.04.21.05.09.54.88583@nospam.com>
References: <e279t4$9sdt$1@news3.infoave.net> <RRJ1g.2127$DR6.158246@news20.bellglobal.com>

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:01:06 -0400, John Bartley wrote:

> Benjamaniac wrote:
>>      I'm looking for a schematic of a tube type code practice oscillator to
>> build for my daughter. Sounds like a fun project to build. Anybody have a
>> schematic of one of there ??
>>            Ben
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Ben,
> 
> Try the back of the RCA tube manuals. They usually have sample circuits 
> in a section there and there's often a simple oscillator. If you don;t 
> have such a book, let me know and I'll scan one for you.
> 
> cheers

A lot of those were cathode keyed.  They put enough voltage across the
open key to shock the unwary.  They did make interesting sounds while it
was happening though.

Then there were the AC/DC units with the key connected to one side of the
power line.

-- 
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Article: 333043 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:51:32 -0700
Message-ID: <e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com>

Hagstar wrote:
> Sorry, guys, I'm an idiot. Turns out the massive load on this huge sets DOES 
> draw the B+ down to 250 volts. The  power supply puts out 400+ volts, but 
> the specs clearly call for 250 at the top of the voltage divider.
> 
> I've *never* seen a set with the B+ dropping so much undere load, so I 
> assumed something was shorted and it's not ! Sorry!
> 
Suggest you shotgun all the paper caps, and soon....or you WILL be 
looking for a shorted cap.

This set uses caps in several places that, if shorted, will put the full 
B+ across delicate places and destroy coils that are almost impossible 
to find replacements for.

I did one of these a few years ago, and the chassis was pristine 
underneath...it had never been repaired or even opened, and all the 
paper caps looked like new. When I first got it, I powered up the 
chassis with a variac for an initial test and three of the caps went 
south rather violently in less than 10 minutes. Don't risk it!

Also note that some of the caps feed through from the bottom to the top 
of the chassis. You can't use orange drops or rectangular caps in those 
places because they won't physically fit in the holes.

When I did mine, I replaced all of the paper caps with yellow axials 
except for two or three in the RF section. Those caps are located 
directly under the wafer switch assembly and appear to be completely 
inaccessable to mortal beings. If you figure out a way to get at those 
caps, I'm all ears.....I have two more of these chassis in the queue 
awaiting restoration.

This is an awesome set when everything is working right.....It has some 
of the loudest, clearest audio I have heard anywhere, and the 
performance on the shortwave and BC bands is like nothing I have seen 
outside of a ham shack....You will love it!

-Scott


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Article: 333044 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Silvertone World's Fair 8 tube tombstone
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:03:36 -0600
Message-ID: <10840-444867A8-480@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145592667.009085.318740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

What about the other 43000 radios on ebay ?



Article: 333045 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:38 -0700
Message-ID: <e29pcs01vaj@news4.newsguy.com>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <QMh1g.690480$084.173169@attbi_s22>   <oVh1g.2826$oW1.1036@bignews1.bellsouth.net>   <1145471819.184072.296600@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net> <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

AVC wrote:

>    55 years ago while serving an apprenticeship in a woodworking shop I
> plugged in a belt sander some one had left on the floor with the on
> switch locked on with the button pushed in.By the time I unplugged it
> ,that sander made like a dragster [plenty of traction] and shot thru
> the wall across the room in an unhappy customer's home.
> 

On the TV show "Jackass", they did a bit where one guy wore belt sanders 
on his feet to see if they would behave like electric roller skates when 
  plugged in. He invariably wound up on his butt when the electric 
sanders would take off.

Think about that....a 140+ pound guy, putting his full weight on both 
sanders, and they were still able to move far enough to knock him off 
his feet. Those are some powerful motors.

-Scott


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Article: 333046 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <HmX1g.336$Vn.146@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <JoKdnfb2H_NexNXZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <124gn5kfnimlr66@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: ZENITH bakelite tube radio Item number: 6623470686 
Message-ID: <LOZ1g.17297$5l2.256213@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:10:15 -0400

"- exray -"  wrote in message ..
> "Thes radio has a good long AC power cord

Perfect for catching Long Waves....

Syl 




Article: 333047 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <9sbh4216dq0n3caqbup2rjqqhugjbumghg@4ax.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:11:20 -0400

That's what happens when you deal with a company run by fairies....



On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:55:54 GMT, "Gary Tayman"
<gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote:

>I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who was 
>assigned by corporate to fix my problem.
>
>What was it?  Drum roll please . . .
>
>Newsgroup access was turned off!  When signing up, the server sets up 
>"permissions" for accessing e-mail, the web, DSL, etc.  When Truevoice gets 
>activated, sometimes this automatically shuts off the permission for Usenet. 
>All a tech needs to do is turn it back on!  Everybody should know this, even 
>those guys in India.
>
>So why did it take some 30 phone calls, a month of non-service, and a call 
>to corporate?  They're investigating.  Meanwhile I'm still down, sort of, as 
>it takes 24 hours to restore service.  However he noticed (another duh!) 
>that I have a secondary address, with mindspring instead of cybergate.  If I 
>sign on using mindspring, it works.
>
>He also told me he would straighten out the equipment problem, and that I'll 
>get "compensation" for the whole mess.
>
>My God!  How hard is THAT?  Sheesh!



Article: 333048 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1145572134.205546.97970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <9b52g.110815$oL.75560@attbi_s71>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:33:57 GMT

In article <1145572134.205546.97970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, 
analogdino@rogers.com says...
>
>
>Yes, first thing I did.  They are well clear.
>Cheers,
>Roger
>

If you decide to put a voltage across the cap to look for a spark.
It needs to be very low current... voltage of maybe 100 volts DC
at very low current.. it the spark is reasonably high current you
will completely ruin the cap as it welds and puts large spot
on the plate.

sometimes there is an adjuster nut on the rear and moving it slightly
tighter or loosen it a bit will clear the partial short.... also
possible small metal hair or bit of steel wool could be in the
cap.... high pressure airgun from your air compressor might clean
it out.. 

John



Article: 333049 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <JwW1g.180$Gg.160@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <oeadnaEBfrtqy9XZRVn-rA@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <qi52g.907944$x96.400126@attbi_s72>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:41:42 GMT

In article <oeadnaEBfrtqy9XZRVn-rA@comcast.com>, newton5@remove.comcast.net 
says...
>
>
>  I think I'm going to change them, just for peace of mind. I'll probably use 
this set 
>a lot. I'll save the take outs for other projects.

good start to change them is my opinion ... you also have another issue
with this radio... it runs... not one.. but a pair of 6x5 rectifiers.

see many previous threads about shorting out of 6x5 rectifiers and the 
resulting need to purchase a new power transformer.

think this set is also one you should consider about a 12 volt 2 amp boost 
buck arrangement transformer to lower the incoming line voltage to the
radio about 12 to 15 volts... 

John k9uwa



Article: 333050 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:45:11 -0400
Message-ID: <124hoff9tpdki7b@corp.supernews.com>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com> <e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com>


"Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in message 
news:e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com...
 >>
> Suggest you shotgun all the paper caps, and soon....or you WILL be looking 
> for a shorted cap.

Yes, I know, but I do like to get them working first. BUT perhaps you're 
right- I may as well just start shotgunning because of the risks here 
(although I DO have a spare nearly complete chassis). I have traced the 
problem so far to everything coming into the mixer fine (signals and plate 
voltage) and nothing coming out. I love have a 'scope and frequency counter 
at a time like this!

John H. 




Article: 333051 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficien