Article: 337752 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:55:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1t-dnYXkpa6vMCDZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com> What a great tip. I love to reuse that kind of material. Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337753 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:24:53 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Message-ID: References: In article , "Mark Oppat" wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its > Summer, you get some deals now. I am curious, does anyone know the model number of this rare 12 tube set? Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 337754 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Date: 18 Jul 2006 22:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1153287609.381673.171240@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida How do ya know he's not building them and this was a clever marketing campaign? Article: 337755 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 18 Jul 2006 22:41:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1153287684.883464.173890@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Phil Nelson wrote: > What a great tip. I love to reuse that kind of material. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html I love to reuse speakers and cabinets. Article: 337756 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Date: 18 Jul 2006 23:06:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Well when I was a kid if someone told me that you could take a frozen meal stick it in a metal box and in 3 minutes you would have a cooked meal too hot to eat..... I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? Be cool for old radios total isolation from mains. Slide a piece of cardboard in the signal path and you have a variable power supply. Regards, Steven "still wants his flyin car like the Jetsons" Reeves Article: 337757 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: Who's going to Bolingbrook? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be there? I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still exist! (Clint used to sell there). Mark Oppat Article: 337758 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:42:09 GMT On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:06:32 GMT, Steve Reeves wrote: > I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want > to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. > And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic > devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? Note the value given for the Availability field. Not "In Stock", "Out of Stock", or "This item ships separately". Article: 337759 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "ptrisha" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:46:38 -0400 Message-ID: <44e5cf806482a6514dba87ac337764e7@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and the guy never showed up. Article: 337760 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:00:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1153306828.503807.283270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> ptrisha wrote: > not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the > article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and > the guy never showed up. Never said it was a bad price figure, only one that a lot of folks here wouldn't mind having to spend. I wish you all the luck you can muster and stand and you are a lucky mackerel. Article: 337761 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Who's going to Bolingbrook? Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:02:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1153306928.399794.114680@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am > thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be > there? > > I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still > exist! (Clint used to sell there). > > Mark Oppat You should become a travel agent. Article: 337762 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:45:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1153309506.805042.145420@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> ptrisha wrote: > not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the > article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and > the guy never showed up. Your asking price is just fine. But the ultimate price will be determined by the actual condition of the radio... not so much the electronics as the cosmetics. A site for pictures would be useful. I admit to being tempted.... but not sight-unseen. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337763 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:54:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1153310075.241767.52650@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Hagstar wrote: > Hell, 38-116 and 37-116's both went for under well $100- each today too. > But my friend in NJ was not psyched about driving 200 miles and borrowing a > truck and holding this 2nd one 'til Kutztown for me- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270006735157 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/PHILCO-ANTIQUE-TUBE-RADIO-38-116_W0QQitemZ110007718950QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38034 > > John H. wow!....for 125.00 a person could have owned 2 of the most awesome floor radios ever mass produced. the 38-116 appears to be near mint too. i gotta get me a shipping contact up there. Article: 337764 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1gpvg.78$5H.9@dukeread06> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:07:08 -0400 Tesla would be proud. Ken Michael A. Terrell wrote: > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml > > Article: 337765 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Who's going to Bolingbrook? Date: 19 Jul 2006 05:29:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153312150.677265.67630@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am > thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be > there? > > I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still > exist! (Clint used to sell there). > > Mark Oppat In my neighborhood so most likely this is a go for me. Who could miss Bossman's Bargain Pit? LOL Article: 337766 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <44e5cf806482a6514dba87ac337764e7@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:38:04 -0400 "ptrisha" wrote in message news:44e5cf806482a6514dba87ac337764e7@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the > article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and > the guy never showed up. Did you give him your address ? Syl Article: 337767 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" Subject: Voltage on the chassis Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:48:40 GMT I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm Further testing reveled: * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power cord is connected to line. * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. What I did: * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to 103. * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to ground. * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended the ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? Paul. Article: 337768 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 05:50:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> ptrisha wrote: > not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the > article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and > the guy never showed up. so you sold the radio for 2000.00 a couple of years ago...now you think it is worth 7500.00......and you will sell it for 3500.00? where is the radio located? Article: 337769 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: sparton bluebird From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:14:01 GMT In article <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, eb062559@aol.com says... > > > >ptrisha wrote: >> not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the >> article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and >> the guy never showed up. > >so you sold the radio for 2000.00 a couple of years ago...now you think >it is worth 7500.00......and you will sell it for 3500.00? where is >the radio located? > Eddie she said: "I am located in west haven, ct" pretty good drive >from Carolinas... John k9uwa Article: 337770 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: 19 Jul 2006 06:25:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1153315506.560812.89310@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: Paul P wrote: > I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: > http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap > off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm > Further testing reveled: > > * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power > cord is connected to line. > * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. > * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. > > What I did: > * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to > 103. > * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on > chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the > primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). > * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. > * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to > ground. > * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended the > ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. > > Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? > > Paul. Just a wild guess, but maybe the on/off switch is somehow getting grounded to chassis. Another wild guess, primary windings of transformer shorted to laminations. Article: 337771 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Northe Osbrink Subject: Re: Another frustrating one References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:25:19 GMT Gary, Gary Tayman wrote: > Okay guys, I've got another one that's got my goat. > > This is an F-1440, radio from a 37 Ford. > Many years ago I did some work on the radio in my father's 1938 Ford. Is this the radio with all the circuitry and speaker in a metal box with a separate tuning head and separate tone control (one position market St. Car -- I believe that was some kind of noise suppression for when you were driving under street car wires)? If you haven't alrady returned the radio to the owner, would it be possible to take a picture and post it in the binaries -- I'd love to see it. Northe Article: 337772 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: RIDER VOLUMES 1-23 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:30:51 -0500 Message-ID: <23743-44BE421B-16@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> COMPLETE SET. GOOD SHAPE. $400.00 INCLUDING SHIPPING. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337773 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "ptrisha" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:48:40 -0400 Message-ID: <022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm not a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal and syl, your an idiot. Article: 337774 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 07:48:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1153320512.237174.239850@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> ptrisha wrote: > never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm not > a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal and > syl, your an idiot. somehow i thought you might. Article: 337775 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "zek" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 19 Jul 2006 07:49:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > > In article <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > > cadyc@mchsi.com says... > > > > > > > > >No excuse for bad packing folks! > > > > > >Tox > > > > > >PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a > > >breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > > > > > > > Jean visited today our local warehouse for one of the local > > appliance / furniture stores .. they are happy to also give > > us cardboard as well as all the other stuff .. yes they have > > a recycler that picks it up ... but they have to PAY him for > > hauling the stuff away.... > > > > will be packing up a console cabinet this evening ... real close > > to totally free packing materials.. > > > > Anytime we get low on cardboard and packing we visit the same > > warehouse .. > > > > > > JOhn k9uwa > > Used bubble wrap is starting to become scarcer here, as is > polyfoam/vinyl wrap and styrofoam sheeting. Methinks my po'folk > brethren are either catching on or less of it is being used and more > judiciously. When really nice stereos start to become cheaper than > shipping, you might expect that. You have a great setup. I have received a bunch of damaged goods from people who bubble wrap, then place it in around foam peanuts. This is so often true of many packers. They think the item will stay in the middle. They think heavy equipment with sharp corners will not penetrate the materials. I always make sure there is something to keep it in the middle, usually cardboard cutouts and taped to the bubble wrap. I also double protect corners of equipment in case all else fails. I received a really big box with a birdbath from MECI. Double boxed. It had some really neat paper like material. Really sturdy. A roll of this stuff would be great to have. Unfortunately the birdbath was damaged by carrier. It was a poor pack job. On one area of the birdbath there was little protection even though they took a bunch of time and a lot of material and little thought, to package it. I Plumbers Gooped it back into shape allthough the solar cell fountain didn't work. greg Article: 337776 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: 19 Jul 2006 08:01:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1153321262.284351.289890@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: Paul, ther is a normal 'leakage' from line to chassis through the RF bypass capacitor and other stray capacitances such as the power transformer primary winding, but at 60Hz these should be less than, IIRC, 3 to 5 mA. There is a 'body model' of series parallel resistance and capacitance that has been mentioned here several times in the past, and it should be connected from chassis to earth and the AC voltage measured across that to see if the leakage is excessive. There is some fault in your measurement since to see 73mA on 100,000 ohms you would need 7300V !!! Measure the DC resistance from both sides of the line cord [connected together] to chassis to see if there is a 'galvanic' connection. The preferred method is to use a capacitor tester like the Heath C-3 types set to measure leakage at 600V. There should be next to none. Neil S. Paul P wrote: > I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: > http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap > off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm > Further testing reveled: > > * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power > cord is connected to line. > * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. > * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. > > What I did: > * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to > 103. > * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on > chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the > primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). > * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. > * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to > ground. > * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended the > ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. > > Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? > > Paul. Article: 337777 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12bra3gd2c5orb8@corp.supernews.com> <1153310075.241767.52650@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:13:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4IednQ21pq3F1iPZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com> Eddie, you could also go to Kutztown, there's a ton of radios there. Load up your van. Sept 22-23. Free on site camping... Info at www.renningers.com/radio not that you'll get this kind of deal, but you will see a LOT more radios, some pretty rare stuff. PA is the BEST state in the USA for higher end all-wave radios. Mark Oppat "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1153310075.241767.52650@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Hagstar wrote: > > Hell, 38-116 and 37-116's both went for under well $100- each today too. > > But my friend in NJ was not psyched about driving 200 miles and borrowing a > > truck and holding this 2nd one 'til Kutztown for me- > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270006735157 > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/PHILCO-ANTIQUE-TUBE-RADIO-38-116_W0QQitemZ110007718950QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38034 > > > > John H. > > wow!....for 125.00 a person could have owned 2 of the most awesome > floor radios ever mass produced. the 38-116 appears to be near mint > too. i gotta get me a shipping contact up there. > > Article: 337778 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:16:18 -0400 That bypass cap from line to chassis is enough to give you a jolt. Won't hurt you, but might make you hurt yourself. Ken Paul P wrote: > I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: > http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap > off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm > Further testing reveled: > > * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power > cord is connected to line. > * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. > * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. > > What I did: > * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to > 103. > * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on > chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the > primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). > * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. > * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to > ground. > * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended the > ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. > > Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? > > Paul. > > Article: 337779 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1t-dnYXkpa6vMCDZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:21:22 -0500 Phil Nelson wrote: > What a great tip. I love to reuse that kind of material. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > I once found myself in Hollywood, needing to get a quantity of test equipment back to Tennessee. I had traveled light (by plane) to CA. A helpful friend advised me to check the dumpsters up and down the alley parallel to Melrose Ave. (I was on foot.) With the addition of a roll of duct tape from a local hardware, I was able to scrounge enough decent packing material--in less than an hour--to pack up a scope, distortion analyzer, AC voltmeter, AF generator, plus odds & ends. I put it all in baggage (pre 9/11). It all survived in perfect shape...no extra baggage charge. I think the point is that you can find cast-off packing material almost anywhere if you look. Article: 337780 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153276496.776663.194540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: <44be5181$0$3677$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "zek" wrote in message news:1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Steven wrote: >> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: >> > In article <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, >> > cadyc@mchsi.com says... >> > > >> > > >> > >No excuse for bad packing folks! >> > > >> > >Tox >> > > >> > >PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a >> > >breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 >> > > >> > >> > Jean visited today our local warehouse for one of the local >> > appliance / furniture stores .. they are happy to also give >> > us cardboard as well as all the other stuff .. yes they have >> > a recycler that picks it up ... but they have to PAY him for >> > hauling the stuff away.... >> > >> > will be packing up a console cabinet this evening ... real close >> > to totally free packing materials.. >> > >> > Anytime we get low on cardboard and packing we visit the same >> > warehouse .. >> > >> > >> > JOhn k9uwa >> >> Used bubble wrap is starting to become scarcer here, as is >> polyfoam/vinyl wrap and styrofoam sheeting. Methinks my po'folk >> brethren are either catching on or less of it is being used and more >> judiciously. When really nice stereos start to become cheaper than >> shipping, you might expect that. You have a great setup. > > I have received a bunch of damaged goods from people who bubble wrap, > then > place it in around foam peanuts. This is so often true of many packers. > They think the item will stay in the middle. They think heavy equipment > with sharp corners will not penetrate the materials. I always make sure > there is something to keep it in the middle, usually cardboard cutouts > and taped to the bubble wrap. I also double protect corners of > equipment in case all else fails. I received a really big box with a > birdbath from MECI. Double boxed. It had some really neat paper like > material. Really sturdy. A roll of this stuff would be great to have. > Unfortunately the birdbath was damaged by carrier. It was a poor pack > job. On one area of the birdbath there was little protection even > though they took a bunch of time and a lot of material and little > thought, to package it. I Plumbers Gooped it back into shape allthough > the solar cell fountain didn't work. > > greg > Someone gave me 3 big garbage bags full of bubble wrap. I also save peanuts and other packing from packages - inbound. For more needs, I go to the local Appliance dealer and get all I need - boxes, foam, cardboard (thick), some bubble wrap if needed, etc. It's all FREE.......... So, the original poster's remark is true - NO excuse for poor packing. There is ALWAYS somewhere willing to give this stuff up. Article: 337781 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: I HAVE THE FOLLOWING GREENLEE CHASSIS PUNCHES AVAILABLE. Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:02:16 -0500 Message-ID: <9476-44BE6598-86@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> 2 1/4" ROUND $15.00 1 3/4" " " 1 1/2 " " 1 3/8 " " 1 3/16 " " 1 1/4 " " 1 1/8 " " 1 " " 7/8 " $10.00 3/4 " " 3/4 " " 5/8 " " 5/8 " " 1/2 " " 3/4" SQUARE $15.00 2 -1/4" BOLTS $5.00 4 - 3/8" BOLTS " 2 - 3/8" BALL BEARING $10.00 CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337782 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:05 GMT In article <1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, zekor@comcast.net says... > > > >usually cardboard cutouts and taped to the bubble wrap. I also double >protect corners of equipment in case all else fails. >greg > The Appliance Stores and Furniture Stores have all sorts of these heavy reinforced corner type stuff available for free... as well as lots of hard strofoam corner and other forms.. an old steak knife makes those styrofoam items into the shapes you need... yup it makes a mess all over the floor to clean up when your done packing John k9uwa Article: 337783 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Message-ID: <_cuvg.99058$8W2.1632401@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:45:45 -0400 "ptrisha" wrote in message news:022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm > not > a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal > and > syl, your an idiot. Idiot ? You are doing projection. Brutal ? You ain't see what brutal is. Wait 'till you post that "radio of yours" on eBay. Funny, the outcome is just like I expected. We'll never see a single picture of the elusive "7500$ radio" and I have a hunch we won't see it on eBay either... What happened to the guy in New-Foundland who found a Peach Nocturne in an old Hotel there. Anyone remember him ? He left mad also...We never got to see the radio either... Darn, 'we bunch of apes...And those fly-bys totally lack a sense of humour don't they ? I know someone who owns a rare Pancake Zenith (really)...Still for sale and he HAS pcitures... Syl Article: 337784 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Message-ID: <3quvg.99060$8W2.1632774@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:59:41 -0400 "ptrisha" wrote in message news:022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm > not > a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal > and > syl, your an idiot. I forgo`t... http://cgi.ebay.com/RESTORED-SPARTON-BLUEBIRD-MIRROR-RADIO_W0QQitemZ250008501623 This one, fully restored, sold for less than 3000.00$, but I "think" Oh, for a good laugh, read the answer to a question from the seller. Here's a quote: "my buddy bruce,who does all my repairs was stumped making this one play. the set would not detect,but showed a great deal of b+. " Oooookayyy.... It's a bloody 4 tubes set ! Start looking for a real tech who isn't "stumped" on such a simple circuit... Syl, the brutal idiot. Article: 337785 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:13:50 -0500 Message-ID: <5688-44BE846E-42@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Some good tips there.Also,if you check up and down your street on trash pick up days,you might find some packaging material there sometimes. cuhulin Article: 337786 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: Further testing reveled:>> * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power ***It may not be original and some purist wouldn't do it but I always remove the line-to-gnd cap or rewire it so that the cap is on the neutral side; then I put on a polarized plug. I always leave a note inside a radio when I have done this for any future tech and anyone who might want to revert to a non-polarized plug. I got tired of being jolted; the polarized plug installation and cap lifting is part of all of my pre-plugin process. -Pete O Article: 337787 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Message-ID: References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:42:52 GMT On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:42:09 GMT, "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:06:32 GMT, Steve Reeves wrote: > >> I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want >> to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. >> And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic >> devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? > >Note the value given for the Availability field. Not "In Stock", "Out of Stock", or "This item ships separately". Click on "Add to Cart" Article: 337788 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 19 Jul 2006 13:08:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1153339725.790870.59990@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> jakdedert wrote: > A helpful friend advised me to check the dumpsters up and down the alley > parallel to Melrose Ave. > I know there's a Hollywood joke here somewhere. Or ten. I'll start: Did you find any liposuction fat? I guess that wouldn't make real good packing material. Too runny. Tox Article: 337789 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:12:51 -0400 Message-ID: <12bt4ih1sh45l80@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bra3gd2c5orb8@corp.supernews.com> I DIDN'T get EITHER of those Philcos, that's what I meant. I could not see making my friend drive when he had no vehicle big enough for a 38-116. I noticed it too late to ask the seller how long they could hold it. John H. Article: 337790 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:15:47 -0400 Message-ID: <12bt4o15p8kt01d@corp.supernews.com> References: "Paul P" wrote in message news:ISpvg.4606$RV.4377@trnddc08... >I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: >http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap >off of the chassis. ALL of my radios zap me off the chassis. What am I missing here? That's the way they are made. That's why I use only AC rated .01 mfd caps because UL believes this is unlikely to kill anyone. John H. Article: 337791 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Reverse Murphy's Law Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:25:11 -0400 Message-ID: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> I Needed a Power Tranny for a 12 Tube Zenith 790 http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/286/M0025286.pdf And I got this one on the 'Bay- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330005388927 It's a horz. mount and about the right size was listed as having a 2.5 V. 9 amp winding which I figured would be enough since I already bought a 6 amp 2.5 V. filament tranny new to put in in tandem. I had looked and looked for a tranny with 13 amps to handle the Zenith's TWELVE 50 series tubes. Most went for really high prices. It arrived today and the seller didn't notice on the spec sheet and in fact there is an additional center tapped 2.5 V. winding at 4.5 amps. SO, I it turns out to be a new, direct replacement (except for the spare 6.3 volt winding) with a total of 13.5 amps to run all those bottles including the pair of 59 outputs. John H. Article: 337792 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:29:59 GMT On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:42:52 GMT, Brian McAllister wrote: >>> I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want >>> to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. >>> And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic >>> devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? >> >> Note the value given for the Availability field. Not "In Stock", "Out of Stock", or "This item ships separately". > > Click on "Add to Cart" Well, QED. I actually thought that the most amusing give-away was the presence of an on-off switch on the receiver. Article: 337793 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <4xxvg.149896$mF2.59867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:31:44 GMT On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:25:11 GMT, Hagstar wrote: > SO, I it > turns out to be a new, direct replacement (except for the spare 6.3 volt > winding) with a total of 13.5 amps to run all those bottles including the > pair of 59 outputs. So now you do the happy tranny dance. Article: 337794 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Superhet Subject: Re: ALL BUT FORGOTTEN References: <21080-44BC0326-334@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <2Exvg.413$uH6.237@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:39:10 GMT I made my own from Bill's idea from a Exacto tool handle. See pic on binaries. Thanks to Bill for all he has done for the hobby and I wish him well. Bill Turner wrote: > SEVERAL YEARS AGO I USED LEFT OVER LENGTHS OF DOWEL FROM MAKNG LOOP > ANTENNAS AS THE HANDLE FOR A TIME SAVER USED TO COIL THE ENDS A > CAPACITORS BEFORE INSTALLING THEM ON THE STUB LEFT OF THE OLD CAPACITOR. > TODAY I RECEIVED AN ORDER FOR DIAL COVER KIT, THE GENTLEMAN WAS KIND > ENOUGH TO STATE THAT HE STILL USES IT AND THAT IT WAS A VERY HELPFUL > GADGET. > > > CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com > Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. > Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. > > > > Article: 337795 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: Subject: Re: Who's going to Bolingbrook? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <44bea158$0$29396$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Gonna make my first trip there this year, I think, unless life interferes as it has a way of doing lately......Too close by to not go anymore. paul "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:A8KdnUIsQe5JSCDZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am > thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be > there? > > I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still > exist! (Clint used to sell there). > > Mark Oppat > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337796 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:46:43 -0400 "Paul P" wrote in message news:ISpvg.4606$RV.4377@trnddc08... >I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: >http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap >off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm >Further testing reveled: > > * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power > cord is connected to line. > * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. > * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. > > What I did: > * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to > 103. > * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on > chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the > primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). > * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. > * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to > ground. > * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended > the ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. > > Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? > > Paul. Yes. WHAT leakage current do you measure with NO capacitor? "Phasing" the AC line to lessen the leakage current is a darn good indicator of either resistive leakage between the primary winding to the chassis, OR, even it is even possible to have stray leakage to other windings on the transformer. 73 mA is enough to drop you dead. 5 mA can be deadly. Do some other measurements to find where the problem really is. BTW, the suggestion about using a polarized line cord and having the bypass capacitor between neutral and ground is excellent advice... IF the transformer is good. Pete Article: 337797 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <12btf9t205dchc0@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com... >I Needed a Power Tranny for a 12 Tube Zenith 790 Oops, 770, sorry. John H. Article: 337798 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <12btfdh3g5b362c@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> PSS- The extra 2.5 volt winding IS in the ad copy but it's confusing. John H. Article: 337799 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:19:27 -0400 Message-ID: <12btfgcrgfpue7c@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bt4o15p8kt01d@corp.supernews.com> I see, it's the MILLIAMP part. Got it. John H. Article: 337800 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 16:48:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1153352935.144884.302670@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Syl wrote: > "ptrisha" wrote in message > news:022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > > never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm > > not > > a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal > > and > > syl, your an idiot. > > I forgo`t... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/RESTORED-SPARTON-BLUEBIRD-MIRROR-RADIO_W0QQitemZ250008501623 > > This one, fully restored, sold for less than 3000.00$, but I "think" > > Oh, for a good laugh, read the answer to a question from the seller. Here's > a quote: > > "my buddy bruce,who does all my repairs was stumped making this one play. > the set would not detect,but showed a great deal of b+. " Oooookayyy.... > > It's a bloody 4 tubes set ! Start looking for a real tech who isn't > "stumped" on such a simple circuit... > > Syl, the brutal idiot. I would have taken Zantac before eating the poster. Article: 337801 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: 19 Jul 2006 17:03:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1153353811.879589.226170@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its > Summer, you get some deals now. > > Mark Oppat It's 104 lately. I do everything that doesn't involve being driven at night, so yes I have been. Article: 337802 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: 19 Jul 2006 17:06:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1153353965.838839.115140@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: John Byrns wrote: > In article , "Mark Oppat" > wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > > > you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its > > Summer, you get some deals now. > > I am curious, does anyone know the model number of this rare 12 tube set? No, but I know "Is Anybody Goin' To San Antone?"... Article: 337803 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 19 Jul 2006 17:08:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1153354091.258760.124160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> toxcrusadr wrote: > jakdedert wrote: > > A helpful friend advised me to check the dumpsters up and down the alley > > parallel to Melrose Ave. > > > > I know there's a Hollywood joke here somewhere. Or ten. > > I'll start: > > Did you find any liposuction fat? I guess that wouldn't make real good > packing material. Too runny. > > Tox Did you find Britney Spears' credibility? Article: 337804 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:54:15 -0400 Message-ID: <12btl24svfido66@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bt4o15p8kt01d@corp.supernews.com> <44bec6c6$0$950$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> "Martin Crossley" wrote in message news:44bec6c6$0$950$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net... > > (I write from a British perspective-translate as necessary.) > (The corresponding value is 4N7 class Y on our 230 volts) > Easy! You are missing a mains earth! That's right! It's true I often don't bother with these for AC sets since it doesn't improve reception that much. But it DOES prevent the tingle, true! John H. Article: 337805 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Barry" References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:09:05 -0500 Message-ID: <42edd$44bef295$18d649b3$2742@KNOLOGY.NET> I've used carpet padding to pack things and it works very well. You can get all you want from a carpet place that does installs. New stuff, too. It's a bit heavy, but it does pad well and can absorb a lot of shock, especially if you layer it several times. Barry - N4BUQ "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Just thought I'd share this, esp. in light of the recent thread on > packing (#459 in a long series). > > I have found furniture stores to be a great source of packing. We just > got a Denver Mattress/Sofas n More etc. store (kind of a 3-in -one > store, can't remember the third one). Anyhow they recycle cardboard > but all their foam sheets, styrofoam blocks, and bubble wrap goes into > a big dumpster! :-o There are all types, from the real thin foam > that rips easy to 1/4" thick foam sheets to std. bubble wrap to super > duper Mil Spec bubble wrap - this is bubble wrap made of very heavy > plastic and backed with foam. Big ol sheets of it too. The size of > armoires and queen sized head boards, I guess. And foam blocks 2" > thick by 18" by 2 ft. long. All there for the harvesting. And they > said they were glad to have me take it because their trash service is > on an as-needed, pay as you dump basis, so this saves them money. I'm > always careful to leave things cleaner than when I got there. > > No excuse for bad packing folks! > > Tox > > PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a > breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > Article: 337806 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:36:22 -0600 Message-ID: <11699-44BEFA36-59@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: Amazing Article: 337807 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1t-dnYXkpa6vMCDZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153339725.790870.59990@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:04:34 -0500 toxcrusadr wrote: > jakdedert wrote: >> A helpful friend advised me to check the dumpsters up and down the alley >> parallel to Melrose Ave. >> > > I know there's a Hollywood joke here somewhere. Or ten. > > I'll start: > > Did you find any liposuction fat? I guess that wouldn't make real good > packing material. Too runny. > I avoided all the 'smelly' dumpsters.... > Tox > > Article: 337808 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Date: 19 Jul 2006 21:26:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1153369587.479824.257330@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," wrote: > > > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:42:52 GMT, Brian McAllister wrote: > > > > >>> I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want > > >>> to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. > > >>> And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic > > >>> devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? > > >> > > >> Note the value given for the Availability field. Not "In Stock", "Out of Stock", or "This item ships separately". > > > > > > Click on "Add to Cart" > > > > Well, QED. > > > > I actually thought that the most amusing give-away was the presence of an on-off switch on the receiver. > > > Did you look at their other April Fools Day items? Has anybody bought/won anything really nice on April 1st? Article: 337809 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: 19 Jul 2006 21:53:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I have a 10-tube mid-30s console here I'd like to restore. It sat for awhile and I think it's time to give it a shot. The cabinet is bad bad bad, but I can replace some wood and make it OK. Problem is, no labels. Musta sat in a swamp. Tube lineup is 76, 4x 6D6, 76x2, 45x2, 80. 3-section tuner, 4 shafts, second hands for the tone and volume controls. Looks similar to a Wells Gardner 62-152 at Radio Attic's Archives, but the fretwork (or rather, what is left of it) is slightly different. Branded Monkey Wards on the dial. W-G is suggested by the build quality, dial with second hands, and the tube shields with holes in em. This set has 50s-60s replacement caps tacked in, and I'd like to find a schematic to set things right. Suggestions? Mark O., didn't you have a WG expert friend? Thanks ahead, Tox Article: 337810 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:02:14 -0400 From: Scott Irvine Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: toxcrusadr wrote: > Just thought I'd share this, esp. in light of the recent thread on > packing (#459 in a long series). > > I have found furniture stores to be a great source of packing. We just > got a Denver Mattress/Sofas n More etc. store (kind of a 3-in -one > store, can't remember the third one). Anyhow they recycle cardboard > but all their foam sheets, styrofoam blocks, and bubble wrap goes into > a big dumpster! :-o There are all types, from the real thin foam > that rips easy to 1/4" thick foam sheets to std. bubble wrap to super > duper Mil Spec bubble wrap - this is bubble wrap made of very heavy > plastic and backed with foam. Big ol sheets of it too. The size of > armoires and queen sized head boards, I guess. And foam blocks 2" > thick by 18" by 2 ft. long. All there for the harvesting. And they > said they were glad to have me take it because their trash service is > on an as-needed, pay as you dump basis, so this saves them money. I'm > always careful to leave things cleaner than when I got there. > > No excuse for bad packing folks! > > Tox > > PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a > breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > Another way is to get involved in Freecycle on Yahoo groups in your area. I have seen many postings of people giving away packing material, boxes,etc. You can also request things. You could request old radios. I haven't tried it yet. I requested 8-tracks and ended up picking up about 100 of them for free. Scott Article: 337811 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: anyone want a GE 7-2582G transistor radio Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:23:46 -0700 Message-ID: <7m6ub290p8brohvt36m9qlgdjvdc2buo6v@4ax.com> nice looking AM/FM transistor radio (presume it's 7 transistor) - owners name scribed on case and inside. I tested it with a 9v battery and it works properly on am and fm bands. Date code of 5012G - I find these have sold for $5 to $12 on e-bay - shipping will be $5 contact me off the list if you would like it. Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337812 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: fs: anyone want a "poor man's signal tracer" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:27:12 -0700 Message-ID: <0c8ub2dv497gssvsgocumets9b344tgupt@4ax.com> going through a box of stuff - this is a Radio Shack "Archer Mini Amplifier speaker" where the input jack has been replaced with a couple of lengths of meter wire (the really flexible stuff) with some heavy clip leads on the end. Would be useful to clip onto a radio or other object under test as an amplifer - I don't need it - $8 including shipping - contact me off the list Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337813 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: fs - mystery object - heat shrink shrinker? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:36:16 -0700 Message-ID: <8r8ub2dp8ai1oeb4mqv61491n93pl1h2k3@4ax.com> another item from this box I'm cleaning out - an aluminum rectangle wtih two 0.4X0.8 inch channels cut in it, with a heater (resistor) screwed to the bottom, on/off switch and a perforated metal cage around it - $10 with postage (it won't fit in a flat rate envelope), or $5 if I discard the perf metal enclosure - if you want this and the other goodies I've just posted here, they will all fit in a single flat rate box, so we can figure out some suitable total I also have an "airtech raucous sounder" - I love that name - good for a small alarm or continuity tester. as with the other stuff, contact me off the list if you want any of this stuff. Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337814 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44BF2965.5A35CC39@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:58:14 GMT Scott Irvine wrote: > > toxcrusadr wrote: > > Just thought I'd share this, esp. in light of the recent thread on > > packing (#459 in a long series). > > > > I have found furniture stores to be a great source of packing. We just > > got a Denver Mattress/Sofas n More etc. store (kind of a 3-in -one > > store, can't remember the third one). Anyhow they recycle cardboard > > but all their foam sheets, styrofoam blocks, and bubble wrap goes into > > a big dumpster! :-o There are all types, from the real thin foam > > that rips easy to 1/4" thick foam sheets to std. bubble wrap to super > > duper Mil Spec bubble wrap - this is bubble wrap made of very heavy > > plastic and backed with foam. Big ol sheets of it too. The size of > > armoires and queen sized head boards, I guess. And foam blocks 2" > > thick by 18" by 2 ft. long. All there for the harvesting. And they > > said they were glad to have me take it because their trash service is > > on an as-needed, pay as you dump basis, so this saves them money. I'm > > always careful to leave things cleaner than when I got there. > > > > No excuse for bad packing folks! > > > > Tox > > > > PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a > > breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > > > Another way is to get involved in Freecycle on Yahoo groups in your > area. I have seen many postings of people giving away packing material, > boxes,etc. You can also request things. You could request old radios. I > haven't tried it yet. I requested 8-tracks and ended up picking up about > 100 of them for free. > > Scott I was a member of the Ocala Freecycle group. i gave a way a bunch of stuff, then i was thrown off when I asked for something, empty inkjet cartridges. :( -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337815 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 00:58:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1153382310.370837.173120@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Reports of over 400,000 people without electricity and lots of trees > down. > > > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Yahoo! US was down over an hour that I noticed (it quit in mid-page). I saw Plano and two other Texas area servers were completely down, and one Rogers Canada site that was horrendous ANYWAY on lost packets. I don't know if that was just traffic to Boise or worse but Everything else but the NY Times was up. That is a huge mess, period. I couldn't make enough of the Internet Traffic Report site to see what happened. Also didn't see the story poking around to figure Yahoo! out. I'll go and look, and thanks for the heads up. Article: 337816 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 01:01:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1153382493.218991.130220@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Reports of over 400,000 people without electricity and lots of trees > down. > > > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Nasty wind. Article: 337817 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: 20 Jul 2006 01:04:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153382657.443395.31690@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> toxcrusadr wrote: > I have a 10-tube mid-30s console here I'd like to restore. It sat for > awhile and I think it's time to give it a shot. The cabinet is bad bad > bad, but I can replace some wood and make it OK. Problem is, no > labels. Musta sat in a swamp. > > Tube lineup is 76, 4x 6D6, 76x2, 45x2, 80. 3-section tuner, 4 shafts, > second hands for the tone and volume controls. Looks similar to a > Wells Gardner 62-152 at Radio Attic's Archives, but the fretwork (or > rather, what is left of it) is slightly different. Branded Monkey > Wards on the dial. W-G is suggested by the build quality, dial with > second hands, and the tube shields with holes in em. > > This set has 50s-60s replacement caps tacked in, and I'd like to find a > schematic to set things right. Suggestions? Mark O., didn't you have a > WG expert friend? > > Thanks ahead, > > Tox There's no mark on the top left on the back of the cabinet? Try rubbing it. Article: 337818 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 05:55:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1153400122.589391.184570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> Chicago's getting it this morning. This better not happen for Bollingbrook. :) Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Reports of over 400,000 people without electricity and lots of trees > down. > > > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Article: 337819 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 07:21:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1153405289.992307.165810@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Reports of over 400,000 people without electricity and lots of trees > down. > > Despite the damage (and sometimes deaths) that they do cause, summertime thunderstorms are one of the most enjoyable things in life. I spent 8 years on the West Coast and only ONCE was there anything like thunder and lightning. I grew up in the midwest and when I took my wife and kids there last spring we had several hours of tornado activity in the neighborhood (and some not catastrophic damage to our stuff.) Tim. Article: 337820 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:40:59 -0400 Message-ID: Yup thats a WG alright. Chassis 0C (zero- C) its in Riders 5-1 in the WG section. It would also have possibly the Airline model 62-132 or 62-137, also in Riders 5. All this is easy to find in a Mallory "Radio Service Encyclopedia". I recommend vol 5 or 6, which would cover up to WW2. They pop up on eBay or at the swaps or search the used book sources. Great reference. WG used the tube count and a letter for their chassis ID at the time. 10 tubes = 0. Letter M would mean metal tubes, which began right after this chassis with the 0D. I had a 0DM chassis in an Airline 62-179 I had for years. It was one of my first consoles...I found it in a shack while on vacation near Medford, OR back in '73 when I was a junior in high school. These are great sets. Mark Oppat "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I have a 10-tube mid-30s console here I'd like to restore. It sat for > awhile and I think it's time to give it a shot. The cabinet is bad bad > bad, but I can replace some wood and make it OK. Problem is, no > labels. Musta sat in a swamp. > > Tube lineup is 76, 4x 6D6, 76x2, 45x2, 80. 3-section tuner, 4 shafts, > second hands for the tone and volume controls. Looks similar to a > Wells Gardner 62-152 at Radio Attic's Archives, but the fretwork (or > rather, what is left of it) is slightly different. Branded Monkey > Wards on the dial. W-G is suggested by the build quality, dial with > second hands, and the tube shields with holes in em. > > This set has 50s-60s replacement caps tacked in, and I'd like to find a > schematic to set things right. Suggestions? Mark O., didn't you have a > WG expert friend? > > Thanks ahead, > > Tox > > Article: 337821 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 10:13:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1153415610.996675.104710@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> I'm 125 mi. W. of STL and I missed the whole thing! Ironically I was down in the basement playing with radios (thread now has radio content :-). I turned one on about 1030 pm and caught the Cardinals, and they said there had been a 2-hr. rain delay, but they never mentioned that fans were injured and glass had broken it the broacast booth. Hope Bill T. is OK, and his steel house. Tox Article: 337822 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: 20 Jul 2006 10:21:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153416070.676523.294950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. What prompted this was the acquisition of another WG yesterday. I have to either hide the new one or move something out before the wife gets back from her trip. :-o The new one is a Wards 62-195, 11 or 12 tubes with eye - that and the price were why I brought it home. That one does have metal tubes, incl PP 6F6s and a big heavy 12" speaker. It was priced at $125 in this antique mall for a year, was marked down to $75, then there was a 25% off sale on entire contents of the booth so I got it for $56. Not bad around here for a quality set. Shiny orig. finish. I love the dials on these with the little second hands. Tox Article: 337823 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 20 Jul 2006 10:26:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1153416419.405733.84950@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > I was a member of the Ocala Freecycle group. i gave a way a bunch of > stuff, then i was thrown off when I asked for something, empty inkjet > cartridges. :( That sounds like BS to me. People post Wanteds all the time on my local Freecycle. Was it run by Nazis or what?? The local groups are of course moderated locally, so you can run into all kinds of people. Tox Article: 337824 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:29:50 -0500 Message-ID: <21209-44BFBD8E-131@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> Storms trigger power outages.Local News section at www.clarionledger.com We got some ''weather'' here yesterday afternoon.My electric power blipped off and on about three times,I was glad we got some rain here.About six weeks ago,I had two seventy feet tall pecan trees by my house cut down and hauled off.They were too close to my house and each tree had a big fork on them which were causing them to lean toward my house. When some of the Katrina winds came through this area last year,the base of the pecan tree that was in my front yard was dancing around at ground level like a wild indian on camp kickapoo joy juice.I dont have to worry about those two pecan trees now.There isn't anything that scares me more than tornados. cuhulin Article: 337825 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44BF2965.5A35CC39@earthlink.net> <1153416419.405733.84950@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:39:59 -0500 toxcrusadr wrote: > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> I was a member of the Ocala Freecycle group. i gave a way a bunch of >> stuff, then i was thrown off when I asked for something, empty inkjet >> cartridges. :( > > That sounds like BS to me. People post Wanteds all the time on my > local Freecycle. Was it run by Nazis or what?? The local groups are > of course moderated locally, so you can run into all kinds of people. > It's possible they thought it was a commercial venture.... > Tox > > Article: 337826 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 10:54:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1153418047.786166.57450@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Storms trigger power outages. Storm + trees hanging over the power lines triggers week-long power outages! > There isn't anything that scares me more than tornados. I grew up in the midwest so in my mind "tornado siren going off" means "grab the camcorder and go on the roof and point it in the direction of the trailer park". Tornado sirens are surprisingly cost-effective way of saving lives. If it's monday at 3PM and I don't hear the tornado siren test, then SOMEBODY isn't dong their job. Tim. Article: 337827 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 11:47:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153421237.344314.78830@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> There is some great coverage at www.kmov.com, including a photo gallery, in which a lot of big stuff can be seen fallen over, including: some airplanes, two radio transmitting towers, some 18-wheelers, a ginormous casino sign, part of an airport, some big ol trees, some of which landed on cars, and an old brick building which fell onto the Eads Bridge. Yikes. Tox Article: 337828 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Line Bypass Caps Date: 20 Jul 2006 12:02:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> I was working last night on a Howard 482 FM adaptor which I had recapped previously. It was working but would blow the fuse after about 10 minutes. I never did figure out why and put it aside. Anyway decided it could be the 6X5 so I pulled the tube and ran it for awhile, and it did fine. This time I had put in a 1A slo-blo, though, instead of a regular fuse. It seemed OK for ten minutes so I put in a brand new 6X5 thinking that the old one must have had a short that got bad only after warmup (knowing of the common 6X5 short). It ran for a few minutes and POP - the magic smoke came out. (Guess that wasn't the problem, knucklehead!) Turned out to be a square cap that looks like a domino (spots and all) and is almost as big. I had not replaced it, thinking it was a ceramic one not in need of changing. Wax was oozing out either end. This appears to be a 0.05 uf line filter cap to ground. It certainly explains the delayed fuse blowing, if the leakage got worse as it warmed up. I can't quite read my copy of the schematic, it either says 600V or 800V on this cap. Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? In other news, it was suggested by someone before that I monitor current draw and see if it was a sudden rise or gradual that led up to fuse blow. I found that neither my Heath VTVM nor the Realistic analog multi meter will do AC amps. Drat. How do y'all do this, with a metered Variac? Article: 337829 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:52:21 -0500 Message-ID: <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read > here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or > identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? You can replace it with a .05/630, and people do, but using an AC rated cap is the right way nowadays. They don't fail short so they don't cause a short circuit and/or fire. You can find them at JustRadios or any larger supply shop. Details here: http://www.justradios.com/capacitors.html Make sure you choose the X1/Y2 caps. > > In other news, it was suggested by someone before that I monitor > current draw and see if it was a sudden rise or gradual that led up to > fuse blow. I found that neither my Heath VTVM nor the Realistic analog > multi meter will do AC amps. Drat. How do y'all do this, with a > metered Variac? By spending $30 to buy a DMM at Sears that measures AC amps. A worthy investment IMO. I use a dimbulb tester instead of a variac but I'm set up such that the AC ammeter sits between the bulb (or variac, if that's what you have) and the unit under test. Good luck paul -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law Date: 20 Jul 2006 13:02:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1153425739.360830.35540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > I Needed a Power Tranny for a 12 Tube Zenith 790 As they say in football, "Whoa...oh no...great play!" Had a similar thing happen recently. Found a turntable in a dumpster, and posted on an audio discussion forum wondering whether to try to fix it or part it out. Turned out someone reading that had just replaced an identical model and had the old one gathering dust. He had bought it online and was not happy with the actual condition compared to auction claims, and was glad to be rid of it. Offered to send it to me for the cost of shipping. I can cobble up one good whole one from the two. Voila, two wrongs do make a right! Tox Article: 337831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:09:50 -0400 My shop rule, in an old receiver, ALWAYS replace all caps that have more than 50V across them. Others may need to go also. Ken toxcrusadr wrote: > I was working last night on a Howard 482 FM adaptor which I had > recapped previously. It was working but would blow the fuse after about > 10 minutes. I never did figure out why and put it aside. Anyway > decided it could be the 6X5 so I pulled the tube and ran it for awhile, > and it did fine. This time I had put in a 1A slo-blo, though, instead > of a regular fuse. It seemed OK for ten minutes so I put in a brand > new 6X5 thinking that the old one must have had a short that got bad > only after warmup (knowing of the common 6X5 short). It ran for a few > minutes and POP - the magic smoke came out. (Guess that wasn't the > problem, knucklehead!) Turned out to be a square cap that looks like a > domino (spots and all) and is almost as big. I had not replaced it, > thinking it was a ceramic one not in need of changing. Wax was oozing > out either end. This appears to be a 0.05 uf line filter cap to > ground. It certainly explains the delayed fuse blowing, if the leakage > got worse as it warmed up. I can't quite read my copy of the > schematic, it either says 600V or 800V on this cap. > > Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read > here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or > identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? > > In other news, it was suggested by someone before that I monitor > current draw and see if it was a sudden rise or gradual that led up to > fuse blow. I found that neither my Heath VTVM nor the Realistic analog > multi meter will do AC amps. Drat. How do y'all do this, with a > metered Variac? > Article: 337832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153416070.676523.294950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: Yes, great great sets. WG was super stuff. Note the unique feature is the "Broad-Sharp" IF switch! Only Silvertone offered that in a medium price line besides WG made sets. .. Then, you have to get up into high end Philco, Scott or McMurdo or a comm recvr. Mark Oppat "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153416070.676523.294950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. > > What prompted this was the acquisition of another WG yesterday. I > have to either hide the new one or move something out before the wife > gets back from her trip. :-o The new one is a Wards 62-195, 11 or 12 > tubes with eye - that and the price were why I brought it home. That > one does have metal tubes, incl PP 6F6s and a big heavy 12" speaker. > It was priced at $125 in this antique mall for a year, was marked down > to $75, then there was a 25% off sale on entire contents of the booth > so I got it for $56. Not bad around here for a quality set. Shiny > orig. finish. I love the dials on these with the little second hands. > > Tox > > Article: 337833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Sherwin" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:02:34 -0700, toxcrusadr wrote: > Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read > here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or > identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? You need a 250V AC X2 rated cap. An old switch mode power supply will contain several suitable ones, but they don't cost much anyway. A 630V DC rated polyester cap would probably be OK on a US 120V supply but the X2 is the Right Thing. X2s are rigorously tested to self heal when subjected to large voltage transients. They should fail open circuit under all circumstances. HTH, Paul Article: 337834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: 20 Jul 2006 13:50:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1153428615.823835.294950@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> That cap is probably a 'micamold' like I found in the Halli SX-43 I am restoring. At first glance it looks just like molded mica cap but a bit longer. It turns out it is a paper cap and they are almost always bad. In the Halli it was also used as a line to chassis RF bypass cap, carefully placed where it was very difficult to change, but at least easy to test. As suggested, an AC rated cap is somewhat safer, but a 0.05-630VDC is okay too. Always a good idea to fit a fuse, like your unit has, to protect from fires when components fail. A nice unit to have for measuring AC current [as well as voltage, watts, PF, VA and frequency] of the AC line is the P4400 'Kill a watt' that sells for around $20. Neil S. toxcrusadr wrote: > I was working last night on a Howard 482 FM adaptor which I had > recapped previously. It was working but would blow the fuse after about > 10 minutes. I never did figure out why and put it aside. Anyway > decided it could be the 6X5 so I pulled the tube and ran it for awhile, > and it did fine. This time I had put in a 1A slo-blo, though, instead > of a regular fuse. It seemed OK for ten minutes so I put in a brand > new 6X5 thinking that the old one must have had a short that got bad > only after warmup (knowing of the common 6X5 short). It ran for a few > minutes and POP - the magic smoke came out. (Guess that wasn't the > problem, knucklehead!) Turned out to be a square cap that looks like a > domino (spots and all) and is almost as big. I had not replaced it, > thinking it was a ceramic one not in need of changing. Wax was oozing > out either end. This appears to be a 0.05 uf line filter cap to > ground. It certainly explains the delayed fuse blowing, if the leakage > got worse as it warmed up. I can't quite read my copy of the > schematic, it either says 600V or 800V on this cap. > > Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read > here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or > identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? > > In other news, it was suggested by someone before that I monitor > current draw and see if it was a sudden rise or gradual that led up to > fuse blow. I found that neither my Heath VTVM nor the Realistic analog > multi meter will do AC amps. Drat. How do y'all do this, with a > metered Variac? Article: 337835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Uncle Peter" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:54:07 -0400 "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >I was working last night on a Howard 482 FM adaptor which I had > recapped previously. It was working but would blow the fuse after about > 10 minutes. If it is .05 mfd, then it is a paper cap as others note. .05 is too large a value for line-bypass service. To low a reactive value at 60 Hz, and it will give a good bite if you get between it and ground/netural. 015 is the largest value that should be used. Stick with a part rated for AC linebypass service, or simply leave the cap out of the circuit otherwise. Pete Article: 337836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 20 Jul 2006 13:55:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1153428943.621223.303820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153196028.005485.162540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Gary Tayman wrote: A rebuild kit costs well over > $1,000. A rebuild kit for an Oldsmobile was around $300, and there's only > one small part in the entire kit that's different. Any way to buy the Oldsmobile rebuilt-kit and then just buy that extra "different" part on its own? ;) -- Stephanie Weil New York City Article: 337837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: 20 Jul 2006 14:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1153429781.173425.209300@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Thanks everyone. I will be ordering some .01uf, 'X-rated' (ooh la la!) caps on my next parts order. Tox Article: 337838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:20:47 -0500 Message-ID: <23236-44BFF3AF-6@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153428943.621223.303820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Eleven years is the cut off point for American brand name car/dealers to order parts.If that Oldsmobile is eleven years old (assuming Oldsmobile was still in business,Oldsmobile went out of business a few years ago) or older,they couldn't order any parts for you for an Oldsmobile that old. cuhulin Article: 337839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44BF0328.831AE2A7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:04:23 GMT On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:14:33 GMT, Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> I actually thought that the most amusing give-away was the presence of an on-off switch on the receiver. > > > Did you look at their other April Fools Day items? No; I was unaware of them. I'll make a point to looking for others later, thanks. Article: 337840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com Subject: 1950's WEBCOR MUSICALE owners manuals-$10 free shipping Date: 20 Jul 2006 15:12:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&item=140009814531&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Article: 337841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Sofa Slug Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153429781.173425.209300@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:45:05 GMT toxcrusadr wrote: > Thanks everyone. I will be ordering some .01uf, 'X-rated' (ooh la > la!) caps on my next parts order. > > Tox > There's some good info here on AC line filter "safety caps": http://www.justradios.com/safetytips.html Article: 337842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Solomon Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Message-ID: <2120c257s9g1pkgqj0sqtmhv4npe80apeq@4ax.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153429781.173425.209300@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:52:19 GMT On 20 Jul 2006 14:09:41 -0700, "toxcrusadr" wrote: > >Thanks everyone. I will be ordering some .01uf, 'X-rated' (ooh la >la!) caps on my next parts order. > >Tox Am I wrong in saying you should use a Y2 cap instead of an X2? Y2's are for line to ground and X2's are for across the line. See: http://www.justradios.com/safetytips.html Article: 337843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "graham" References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> <1153405289.992307.165810@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:06:00 -0700 Message-ID: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message > I posted this because we have at least one regular who lives in that > area. ... and they didn't know about the storm??? ... Isn't St. Loius in the Solomon Islands? Article: 337844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: pgonshor@aol.com Subject: This newsgroup Date: 20 Jul 2006 17:28:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I came across a beautiful hutch recently. I wasn't sure if it was antique, but I really liked it so I bought it. I wanted to find out just how old it was, so I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought you'd like to know. Dave Article: 337845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> <1153405289.992307.165810@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Message-ID: <4sVvg.10981$Oj.1982@trnddc05> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:44:48 GMT "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net... > "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" wrote: > I posted this because we have at least one regular who lives in that > area. > Are you referring to Bill because he lives in St. Louis, or Yours Truly because I live in what some consider "hurricane territory"? I recall a tornado that came through this area about 12 years ago. On the radio they were talking about the "blizzard of the century", and it actually started in this area as a no-name storm. I heard some bad weather was coming with possible high winds, and I noticed my backyard gate was getting rather flimsy -- one of those repairs I'll get to someday. So I figured I'd better secure it for now. All I could find was some twine, so I took a piece of twine and tied the gate shut -- not much but it'll have to do. About 1:30 in the morning I woke up halfway to hear a loud humming noise, almost like a big truck going by but louder. Suddenly the whole house went Ka-WUMP! Naturally after that I was wide awake, and wondered what the heck was going on. I took a peek out the back window, and found my entire stockade fence had vanished. I looked in the garage and found plaster all over both cars -- and the attic door blown open. I looked next door and found their windows missing. The next morning I went outside to look -- the entire neighborhood was a mess, but nothing major. Mainly blown out doors and windows, downed trees and debris everywhere. My fence? It was all over the yard and street. The flimsy gate was the only piece still standing! As for other storms, during Juan (20 years ago?) a palm tree fell on my car but didn't damage it. Two years ago we had a swap meet during Charley -- about a dozen people showed up. A month later I DJ'ed for a car cruise at the St. Petersburg Pier during Jeannie, and 20 cars showed up! Oh -- one more. A number of years ago my office came up with a stupid policy that if we closed because of a hurricane, we wouldn't get paid. Then Keith came through, just barely a cat 1 but still scary. It was about 5 in the morning and I was wide awake. So I got dressed, and as the winds diminished I drove to the office. The radio said I was in the eye -- that's fine, I made it to the office just in time, and when other employees called, I told them we were open! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 337846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:46:08 -0400 Message-ID: <44c023bf$0$3673$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> wrote in message news:1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I came across a beautiful hutch recently. I wasn't sure if it was > antique, but I really liked it so I bought it. I wanted to find out > just how old it was, so I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. > I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was > followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very > profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in > this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought > you'd like to know. > Dave > All battles aside, this group IS a treasure. Some of the others - wow......... I've deleted a few due to nothing BUT arguing and fighting and at that - they're starting to spread their crap to yet others. I am not an Antique Radio buff by right - but I DO have an interest in seeing them, and learning how you guys are repairing them. It amazes me how you folks speak of redoing the cabinets and so on. Hell, I can't draw a stick man with a ruler. My hats off to all of you. And, it is ok to disagree sometimes. Article: 337847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44C0294A.33DBDE63@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> <1153405289.992307.165810@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> <4sVvg.10981$Oj.1982@trnddc05> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:10:05 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message > news:44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net... > > "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" wrote: > > > I posted this because we have at least one regular who lives in that > > area. > > > > Are you referring to Bill because he lives in St. Louis, or Yours Truly > because I live in what some consider "hurricane territory"? > > I recall a tornado that came through this area about 12 years ago. On the > radio they were talking about the "blizzard of the century", and it actually > started in this area as a no-name storm. I heard some bad weather was > coming with possible high winds, and I noticed my backyard gate was getting > rather flimsy -- one of those repairs I'll get to someday. So I figured I'd > better secure it for now. All I could find was some twine, so I took a > piece of twine and tied the gate shut -- not much but it'll have to do. > About 1:30 in the morning I woke up halfway to hear a loud humming noise, > almost like a big truck going by but louder. Suddenly the whole house went > Ka-WUMP! Naturally after that I was wide awake, and wondered what the heck > was going on. I took a peek out the back window, and found my entire > stockade fence had vanished. I looked in the garage and found plaster all > over both cars -- and the attic door blown open. I looked next door and > found their windows missing. > > The next morning I went outside to look -- the entire neighborhood was a > mess, but nothing major. Mainly blown out doors and windows, downed trees > and debris everywhere. My fence? It was all over the yard and street. The > flimsy gate was the only piece still standing! > > As for other storms, during Juan (20 years ago?) a palm tree fell on my car > but didn't damage it. Two years ago we had a swap meet during Charley -- > about a dozen people showed up. A month later I DJ'ed for a car cruise at > the St. Petersburg Pier during Jeannie, and 20 cars showed up! Oh -- one > more. A number of years ago my office came up with a stupid policy that if > we closed because of a hurricane, we wouldn't get paid. Then Keith came > through, just barely a cat 1 but still scary. It was about 5 in the morning > and I was wide awake. So I got dressed, and as the winds diminished I drove > to the office. The radio said I was in the eye -- that's fine, I made it to > the office just in time, and when other employees called, I told them we > were open! > > -- > Gary E. Tayman I was referring to Bill, and I think one or two other people from that area have posted here as well. BTW, do you know of anyone from the Ocala area coming to your radio club's show on the 5th? I'd like to come, but I just can't drive that far. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: 20 Jul 2006 18:30:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1153445450.232877.119300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> clfe wrote: > wrote in message > news:1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >I came across a beautiful hutch recently. I wasn't sure if it was > > antique, but I really liked it so I bought it. I wanted to find out > > just how old it was, so I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. > > I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was > > followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very > > profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in > > this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought > > you'd like to know. > > Dave It's an odd thing but many people feel they can take cheap shots on the web because they think they are somewhat anonymous. If you met them in person some would still be putzes, but most would be good folk. I'd like to see a big picnic/swapmeet with people from this newsgroup to see who's naughty and who's nice. Article: 337849 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44c023bf$0$3673$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1153445450.232877.119300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:54:59 -0700 Message-ID: <8_ednY6_TOlgrl3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com> > If you met them in > person some would still be putzes, but most would be good folk. I have noticed that many times at swap meets and other radio events. When meeting in person, people are invariably friendly and talk about common interests in the most pleasant way. They might have different views about politics, religion, whatever, but those things are irrelevant. Can you imagine people turning red-faced and screaming at each other at a swap meet or collector club meeting? I have never seen it happen. What they talk about are topics that bring them together -- exactly what this newsgroup is all about :-) Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Robert Sherrod Subject: Hallicrafter's S120 BFO control... Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:03:59 GMT Hello, I am in search of a replacement potentiometer for the BFO control on a Hallicrafter's S120. It is a 1.5K ohm, 1/4 watt with switch. The shaft is approximately 5/8" long with a 1/2" long flat. I believe the potentiometer is a Centralab as it states on the back of the switch "Centralab Model 2". Also, if anyone has a one of the small knobs, black with bright insert, for an S120, I would also be interested. It would save me the trouble of repairing the one that was damage with the potentiometer. I am awaiting a reply from Mark Oppat in regards to this, but I thought I would see if anyone else could be of assistance. Thanks, Bobby KC9IHK Article: 337851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44c023bf$0$3673$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1153445450.232877.119300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <8_ednY6_TOlgrl3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com> Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:55:25 -0400 Message-ID: <44c0420d$0$3678$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:8_ednY6_TOlgrl3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com... >> If you met them in >> person some would still be putzes, but most would be good folk. > > I have noticed that many times at swap meets and other radio events. When > meeting in person, people are invariably friendly and talk about common > interests in the most pleasant way. They might have different views about > politics, religion, whatever, but those things are irrelevant. > > Can you imagine people turning red-faced and screaming at each other at a > swap meet or collector club meeting? I have never seen it happen. What > they talk about are topics that bring them together -- exactly what this > newsgroup is all about :-) > > Regards, > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > Meets are "topic" related. people interested go to them for their value and often relaxation and commaraderie. most could care less about arguments with anyone of the same liking - at that moment. On here, they're not face to face, the focus isn't necessarily on the topic at hand, other pressures may be applying themselves. A host of reasons things are different. Again, it is ok to "disagree". It doesn't have to mean you "hate" someone - want them dead or want to kick their ass. Some take things far too literally. Its a hobby - ENJOY. Hobbies are supposed to take you away from aggrivation, NOT bring more in. Article: 337852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: 20 Jul 2006 19:58:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153450684.410446.109960@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> clfe wrote: > "Phil Nelson" wrote in message > news:8_ednY6_TOlgrl3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com... > >> If you met them in > >> person some would still be putzes, but most would be good folk. > > > > I have noticed that many times at swap meets and other radio events. When > > meeting in person, people are invariably friendly and talk about common > > interests in the most pleasant way. They might have different views about > > politics, religion, whatever, but those things are irrelevant. > > > > Can you imagine people turning red-faced and screaming at each other at a > > swap meet or collector club meeting? I have never seen it happen. What > > they talk about are topics that bring them together -- exactly what this > > newsgroup is all about :-) > > > > Regards, > > > > Phil Nelson > > Phil's Old Radios > > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > > > > > Meets are "topic" related. people interested go to them for their value and > often relaxation and commaraderie. most could care less about arguments with > anyone of the same liking - at that moment. On here, they're not face to > face, the focus isn't necessarily on the topic at hand, other pressures may > be applying themselves. A host of reasons things are different. Again, it is > ok to "disagree". It doesn't have to mean you "hate" someone - want them > dead or want to kick their ass. Some take things far too literally. Its a > hobby - ENJOY. Hobbies are supposed to take you away from aggrivation, NOT > bring more in. I really don't hog picnic at all, don't eat a lot, but I am addicted to lemonade. Article: 337853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: 20 Jul 2006 20:02:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1153450955.894778.107040@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mark Oppat wrote: > Yes, great great sets. WG was super stuff. > > Note the unique feature is the "Broad-Sharp" IF switch! > > Only Silvertone offered that in a medium price line besides WG made sets. > .. Then, you have to get up into high end Philco, Scott or McMurdo or a > comm recvr. > > Mark Oppat I certainly know that! : ))) Article: 337854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Robert Sherrod Subject: Re: Who's going to Bolingbrook? References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:33:31 GMT I'll be there. Went last year and liked it so much better than Elgin. Nicer area close to other business and restaurants, which is always good after a 2.5 hour drive when thirst and hunger are creeping up. Found my Hallicrafter's S38 there last year for $25.00. Hope to score like that again this year. Hope to see you there. Bobby KC9IHK Mark Oppat wrote: > its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am > thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be > there? > > I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still > exist! (Clint used to sell there). > > Mark Oppat > > > Article: 337855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:34:42 -0500 Message-ID: <23234-44C04B52-183@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <4sVvg.10981$Oj.1982@trnddc05> I know the St.Louis area pretty well.I was in the Army at Scott Air Force Base,Illinois and SL 60 near Pacific,Missouri in 1963.(Nike Hercules Missiles) I had a girlfriend who lived in Kirkwood,Missouri.Kirkwood is on the Southwest side of St.Louis.A few minutes ago I read that in some places of St.Louis County the electric power could be out from three to five days.The winds from Katrina knocked out my electrc power for about 28 hours. cuhulin Article: 337856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Hallicrafter's S120 BFO control... Date: 20 Jul 2006 21:30:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153456210.351758.91920@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Robert Sherrod wrote: > Hello, > > I am in search of a replacement potentiometer for the BFO control on a > Hallicrafter's S120. It is a 1.5K ohm, 1/4 watt with switch. The shaft > is approximately 5/8" long with a 1/2" long flat. I believe the > potentiometer is a Centralab as it states on the back of the switch > "Centralab Model 2". > > Also, if anyone has a one of the small knobs, black with bright insert, > for an S120, I would also be interested. It would save me the trouble of > repairing the one that was damage with the potentiometer. > > I am awaiting a reply from Mark Oppat in regards to this, but I thought > I would see if anyone else could be of assistance. > > Thanks, > > Bobby > KC9IHK Good luck in your searching, but is the 120 knob like the 118 Mk II knobs? My band selector knob has had one of those pointy things from somewhere since I got it and I'd like to buy one myself if so. regards, Steven Article: 337857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: anyone want a GE 7-2582G transistor radio Date: 20 Jul 2006 22:17:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1153459073.953753.319870@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <7m6ub290p8brohvt36m9qlgdjvdc2buo6v@4ax.com> William B Noble (don't reply to this address) wrote: > nice looking AM/FM transistor radio (presume it's 7 transistor) - Hi William, I bite. Sent you an email. -- Stephanie Weil New York City Article: 337858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FA: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: Here's a nice set that dearly needs some cabinet veneer and TLC, and will probably sell fairly cheap. Its a great WG made set. http://cgi.ebay.com/c-1937-Coronado-12-tube-console-radio-WELLS-GARDNER_W0QQitemZ190008710404QQihZ009QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I know the seller of this one, and he has some other stuff on eBay now that he is willing to haul to various shows for some bux. Hagstar... this ones got YOU written on it! Mark Oppat Article: 337859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FA: German console (not mine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:26:41 -0400 Message-ID: Here in the Detroit area I service and get offered a fair number of these German consoles. They are nice sets... although the Elac turntables can be dicey. Hell, for $50 if you are in the Mt. Vernon, NY area this is a pick up only sale, this thing is cheap. I like them, just dont have room for these wide ones. If anyone here does, this might be the ticket. http://cgi.ebay.com/NORMENDE-ISABELLA-STEREO-TUBE-CONSOLE-SW-RADIO-BAR-LooK_W0QQitemZ140010513407QQihZ004QQcategoryZ933QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Mark Oppat Article: 337860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Message-ID: References: <1153428943.621223.303820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <23236-44BFF3AF-6@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:03:17 GMT >Eleven years is the cut off point for American brand name car/dealers to >order parts.If that Oldsmobile is eleven years old (assuming Oldsmobile >was still in business,Oldsmobile went out of business a few years ago) >or older,they couldn't order any parts for you for an Oldsmobile that >old. >cuhulin Well, I seem to remember that Rolls Royce adopted the Hydramatic transmission that was used by Oldsmobile and Cadillac. And that transmission was obsolete a lot more than 11 years ago. But parts continue to be available in the after-market. You can still buy any part you need for a Model A Ford. Just not from Henry, or his grandkids. Gordon Richmond Article: 337861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 21 Jul 2006 00:20:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1153466413.727172.284270@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153428943.621223.303820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Gordon Richmond wrote: > >Eleven years is the cut off point for American brand name car/dealers to > >order parts.If that Oldsmobile is eleven years old (assuming Oldsmobile > >was still in business,Oldsmobile went out of business a few years ago) > >or older,they couldn't order any parts for you for an Oldsmobile that > >old. > >cuhulin > > Well, I seem to remember that Rolls Royce adopted the Hydramatic transmission that was > used by Oldsmobile and Cadillac. And that transmission was obsolete a lot more than 11 > years ago. But parts continue to be available in the after-market. > > You can still buy any part you need for a Model A Ford. Just not from Henry, or his > grandkids. > > Gordon Richmond You can still repair a John Deere "A" and use it too. Article: 337862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 21 Jul 2006 04:56:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153482977.076809.311010@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Folks, does anyone have the .15 's available? I've tried numerious types to EMAIL Mark Oppatt, but no answer. If anyone has information on who would have these hard to find caps, let me know by EMAIL or here. Thanks, GB > > RadioGary wrote: > > > These are NOT two in parallel. This is a model 16 chassis from a > > > console set. Sorry if there was any confusion, but went through this > > > with another person on a Philco site until he found the right > > > schematic. > > > > > > They are not on the AC line either. I'm still wondering if they are > > > critical. So far no one says they are. > > > > > > > > > Lou deGonzague wrote: > > >> On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. If you look at it you see 2 > > >> terminals tied together so they used 2 .15 in parallel. > > >> > > >> RadioGary wrote: > > >>> Hello, > > >>> > > >>> OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > > >>> stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > > >>> .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > > >>> down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > > >>> within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > > >>> EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > > >>> > > >>> Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > > >>> This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > > >>> > > > Article: 337863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: FA: German console (not mine) Date: 21 Jul 2006 04:56:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1153483003.321052.313390@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > Here in the Detroit area I service and get offered a fair number of these > German consoles. Bring on the Dean Martin and the martini pitcher! Tox Article: 337864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: 21 Jul 2006 05:09:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153483774.668574.86220@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Martin Crossley wrote: >> Please make it class "Y", NOT "X"! > There's a better explanation than I can give here: > http://my.execpc.com/~endlr/line-filter.html > (and lots more with a Google etc. search) > Martin(Stockport) Got it. I finally read the justradios page on it - very thorough. I am going to keep a better eye out for these in the radios. I'm sure I've either missed some or replaced them with regular capacitors. Always something new to learn about this hobby. Tox Article: 337865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: I HAVE THE FOLLOWING GREENLEE CHASSIS PUNCHES AVAILABLE. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:19:13 -0500 Message-ID: <12567-44C0D451-292@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <9476-44BE6598-86@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> SORRY, I'VE SOLD ALL OF THEM. STILL HAVE THE BEITMANN'S. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "pmitchel@email.unc.edu" Subject: Fisher 800C tube receiver/amplifier repair question Date: 21 Jul 2006 07:18:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1153491537.047674.118300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Hello All, My father-in-law donated his old stereo to us - and it's a beaut! Unfortunately, it has some tubes which appear to not be working. The phono works perfectly in monolaural (what sound) but has all manners of noise and reduced sound in stereo. Also tape out is not a function, though the tape in seems to be intact. Dispite too man years as a computer operator/system administrator, I'm clueless about electrical devices, and there's no service manual and/or extra tubes (though Im sure he gave us some at the time, but that's another story). While googling, I noted a pointer to "Total Electronics" in Swepsonville, NC, not very far away from where we live, but all further leads fail to find any phone/address. Anyone know of these folks, or anyone similar who might have the ability to repair this unit in the Greensboro - Raleigh/Durham area of North carolina? Thanks, Paul Mitchell Article: 337867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:29:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153428615.823835.294950@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> nesesu wrote: > That cap is probably a 'micamold' like I found in the Halli SX-43 I am > restoring. At first glance it looks just like molded mica cap but a bit > longer. It turns out it is a paper cap and they are almost always bad. > In the Halli it was also used as a line to chassis RF bypass cap, > carefully placed where it was very difficult to change, but at least > easy to test. There are lots of these in WWII-Vintage Hammarlund equipment. Every single one of them that I have ever encountered has been bad. Essentially, they appear to be plain old nasty paper capacitors in a molded shell. The molding might have given them superior moisture resistance (maybe), but they do not have superior leakage characteristics. > As suggested, an AC rated cap is somewhat safer, but a 0.05-630VDC is > okay too. Always a good idea to fit a fuse, like your unit has, to > protect from fires when components fail. As other posters have mentioned, I would replace it with an AC rated cap because it is specifically designed not to fail spectacularly if it malfunctions. > A nice unit to have for measuring AC current [as well as voltage, > watts, PF, VA and frequency] of the AC line is the P4400 'Kill a watt' > that sells for around $20. Sears sells a clamp-on AC DMM for something like $30.00 now. These used to be really expensive, but now they are inexpensive enough that they should find use in every radio shop. A unit that pulls too much current can thus be easily identified. Article: 337868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: Subject: Re: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:05:12 -0500 Message-ID: <44c0dfe5$0$11283$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:vdudnTZlw7D07V3ZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Here's a nice set that dearly needs some cabinet veneer and TLC, and will > probably sell fairly cheap. Its a great WG made set. Uh.....Mark, I'm bidding on this thing but it does not seem to be going very cheap as I still haven't reached the reserve (a fair bit higher than the bid you now see.) If you know the guy find out how much he wants for it. paul -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 21 Jul 2006 08:12:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1153494733.619240.70890@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> robert casey wrote: Maybe I'd go as far as replacing the > solid state FM ratio detector diodes with vacuum tube ones, so the audio > signal never touches any evil solid state devices.... :-) You could always buy a tubed AM/FM radio and just find out where to get those new magic ey tubes. Then just add it as an aftermarket. :D -- Steph Article: 337870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:54:09 -0400 Message-ID: Paul, I have a problem with much of the info on the Just Radios site about line bypass caps. Here is one little snippet: >>>>Back in the good old days (when you tube radio was made) there was a lot less interference as there were far fewer electrical appliances in a typical home. Also, safety standards were no where near as strict as they are today .and, of course, safety capacitors had not been invented. ........ The first statement is misleading, as much of the info in this area of his site is. First, since I have read many many servicing books, magazines and other factory literature from pre WW2, there was a LOT of AC LINE interference back then. It was more common of course in urban areas, but it was everywhere, more than today if you are talking about AC LINE noise. There may have been fewer appliances, but the ones there were far far worse than today, and your neighbor's washer could pollute the line for the entire block! Today our biggest problem in homes is RF noise if you are talking about AM reception. when I have time I might highlight some other errors in this area of the Just Radios site. Mark Oppat Paul wrote (snip) > You can replace it with a .05/630, and people do, but using an AC rated cap > is the right way nowadays. They don't fail short so they don't cause a short > circuit and/or fire. You can find them at JustRadios or any larger supply > shop. Details here: > http://www.justradios.com/capacitors.html > Make sure you choose the X1/Y2 caps. > > Article: 337871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: rodsievers@gmail.com Subject: Need schematic for Zenith 6G501 Date: 21 Jul 2006 09:37:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1153499878.955594.267100@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Anyone have a schematic for a Zenith 6G501 they'd be willing to share? Or know where to get one. There isn't one on BAMA. Article: 337872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:36:04 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > > Paul, > > I have a problem with much of the info on the Just Radios site about line > bypass caps. > > Here is one little snippet: > > >>>>Back in the good old days (when you tube radio was made) there was a > lot less interference as there were far fewer electrical appliances in a > typical home. Also, safety standards were no where near as strict as they > are today .and, of course, safety capacitors had not been invented. ........ > > The first statement is misleading, as much of the info in this area of his > site is. First, since I have read many many servicing books, magazines and > other factory literature from pre WW2, there was a LOT of AC LINE > interference back then. It was more common of course in urban areas, but it > was everywhere, more than today if you are talking about AC LINE noise. > There may have been fewer appliances, but the ones there were far far worse > than today, and your neighbor's washer could pollute the line for the entire > block! > > Today our biggest problem in homes is RF noise if you are talking about AM > reception. > > when I have time I might highlight some other errors in this area of the > Just Radios site. > > Mark Oppat So, you don't consider switching power supplies to be noisy? They put so much harmonic noise on the AC lines that the neutral conductor on three phase systems has caught fire in a lot of buildings. The old rule was the neutral was two sizes smaller than the hot legs. Now it has to be larger than the hot legs. The supplies are supposed to have "Power Factor Correction" which removes this crap, but most of it doesn't. These harmonics go well past the AM broadcast band. The load on early electrical grids was mostly motors and incandescent lamps which didn't generate noise, except for when it was turned on or off. Newer lighting and power supplies draw power at the peak voltage only and switch on and off 120 or 240 times a second. Add the inductance of the wiring, and the capacitance between conductors and you get all kinds of resonant nodes to make the problem even worse. The only time I get decent AM radio reception here at my house is when the whole area is without electricity, like it was for weeks at a time after the hurricanes. You need to rethink this subject, Mark. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: 21 Jul 2006 09:58:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1153501120.643920.278540@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >The only time I get decent AM radio reception here at my house is when the > whole area is without electricity, like it was for weeks at a time after > the hurricanes. > I don't know how we'd judge pre-WWII conditions from here in a relative way, because "lots of noise" could mean anything. Unless there are comparable measurements from then and now. I do know I have bad AC line interference on AM unless I turn off most of the house. The fluorescents and the low voltage lighting transformers are the worst. I also have neighborhood power trunk lines on poles in my front yard, parallel to my long wire in the attic, and I probably am getting hash >from that too. It's a tough world for AM/SW. I'd like to be on top of a mountain with only a solar DC supply for some nice clean DXing, just to see what is possible. Tox Article: 337874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44c1090b$0$31640$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> Date: 21 Jul 2006 17:04:11 GMT Michael A. Terrell wrote: > So, you don't consider switching power supplies to be noisy? They > put so much harmonic noise on the AC lines that the neutral conductor on > three phase systems has caught fire in a lot of buildings. The old rule > was the neutral was two sizes smaller than the hot legs. Now it has to > be larger than the hot legs. The supplies are supposed to have "Power > Factor Correction" which removes this crap, but most of it doesn't. > These harmonics go well past the AM broadcast band. For obtaining the CE mark, all powersupplies sold in Europe, must have a mains filter. I have only seen a few (without this mark) that had no filtering. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 337875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1153499878.955594.267100@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Need schematic for Zenith 6G501 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:39:49 -0700 Message-ID: Check out Nostalgia Air: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/458/T0000458.htm Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Sherwin" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:04:11 +0000, maarten wrote: > For obtaining the CE mark, all powersupplies sold in Europe, must have a > mains filter. I have only seen a few (without this mark) that had no > filtering. But, the enforcement on this is nonexistent in most countries, and lots of stuff with CE marks produces int