Article: 338147 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" References: Subject: Re: Found- New PhotofinishTtrick Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:46:20 -0400 "Stewart Schooley" wrote in message news:CaCdnbYdwsppsFvZnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@bright.net... > Every once in a while I fish around in Google Groups to see what other > groups are doing that might be useful to this group. Found a really neat > idea on rec.models.scale, a group that does lots of decal work. > > If you put ordinary clear packing tape on a laser print, rub it on good, > and then soak it in water for 5 minutes or so, you can rub off the paper > and the ink will be trapped on the tape. > > It will look transparent so it needs a super thin coating of white over > the ink. I used watered down cheap acrylic paint and brushed on a really > thin coat. > > Used a thin coat of Minwax's Polycrylic to glue it on an acrylic painted > board and shot spray can Deft on it. It didn't look quite right, but I > thought, I've had my fingers all over this tape and rubbing hard doing it. > I did another one and this time I washed off the tape with a little Dawn > dish liquid before lacquering. It looked good and after sitting in direct > sunlight for over an hour it still looked good. > > It is thinner than ordinary printer paper and much, much thinner than > color laser prints. Googled and found that my tape is 2 mil thick. Found > that EZ Start brand Standard Mailing Tape is 1.6 mil thick so I will look > for it > > My big interest in this is duplicating those Zebrawood strips some radios > have and I will pursue it as time permits. > > It is so simple for you to try this. Put a strip of tape over any magazine > photo, soak it in water and then rub off the paper. > > Stewart Hi Stewart, Laser printers don't use ink. The toner is a fusible plastic that gets melted to the paper by the fuser. The method you describe will work for laser printers but will give poor results if an ink jet printer is used. You may want to try putting a piece of paper over the front of the tape, after you have stuck it to the desired print, and then lightly running an iron over it. The toner will re-fuse and you can soak off the paper in water. It makes a nice decal. Regards, Tom Article: 338148 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lee Babcock Subject: Re: more Worbud? References: <9Tpxg.4508$bP5.3462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44c650f1_2@x-privat.org> Date: 25 Jul 2006 19:12:17 +0200 radionutz wrote: > Hey people! > Something that I don't understand (so what else is new?) > I have posted questions about my Worbud all over the place. On Yahoo antique > radios group, On the forum. On the Alt. binaries newsgroup and here on the > ant.radio-phono group and I have not gotten any kind of a response not even > hey I never heard of this thing. Is there some kind ov Voo Doo contcted with > this thing and no one wants to touch it or what? LOL :-) > > DON > Don..... when I saw your post here the other day, I did a little searching, and if it's on the net, I can usually find it. I didn't find much except: Worbud is a Polish name and seems to be a variant of Warbud The name is common in Poland with heavy duty involvement in manufacturing and the sciences including electronics and post-secondary education. The name Worbud Associates suggests that they were perhaps manufacturing under licence If you can find/decipher a serial number on it, I'll bet you will find it a low number. I suspect it was an operation that failed early and they didn't make very many units. If you can find a date on it, it may indicate that they went out of business due to the onset of war. Have you looked inside at the clock to see if it carries a date or who made it? Are you sure it is 50's? Looks more 40's to me. Regards Lee Article: 338149 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Oldradiodan" Subject: Re: Oscillation Stromberg Carlson 1121PL Date: 25 Jul 2006 10:13:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1153847630.624372.146400@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: TerryJ wrote: > This is a chassis that is being refurbished to put in a 'Frankenradio' that > I building. > > Schematic snippet is from a Stromberg Carlson 1121PL from 1946. > http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud/PhaseInverterModn.JPG > The diagram on the right is my attempt to 'simplify' the schematic. A > complete schematic is here. > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/292/M0021292.pdf > > The circuit oscillates at around 150kHz without the added 250pF cap from the > speaker connection to the cathode of the 6SC7. All resistors are within > 5%and caps have been replaced and tubes substituted. I even subbed 6F6s for > the original 6V6s. > The power supply originally was a cap input design with 340v and 230v > outputs and used big shunt resistors to stabilize the voltage when a wire > recorder was not connected. I changed it to a choke input to reduce the heat > in the radio. The change made no difference in the oscillation problem but > did reduce maximum output since plate voltage dropped to 270V on the 6V6s. > > It is completely stable with the added 250pF cap. Even at full volume I see > no oscillation bursts in the waveform. Without the cap there is a constant > high frequency signal on G1. The original symptom was distorted audio using > the original speaker. Before I determined that it was oscillating it melted > the voice coil destroying the speaker. I subbed a PM speaker in a proper > enclosure and sound now is remarkably good for a 60 year old radio. I don't > think SC would sell a design that was inherently unstable... or would they? > > It appears that the signal is coupled from triode 2 to 1 via the cathode > resistor AC drop. The 68K resistor in the grid of triode 1 provides feedback > to keep the output signals equal...? There is also feedback from the plate > of the output tube V1 to the plate of inverter tube triode 2 through the > 1.5meg resistor. > > The wire recorder must have had its own amp. The connector appears to have > only B+ , 6.3V AC and audio. The radio had a 5U4 originally. Since the > recorder was not available (perhaps never?) I put in a 5V4 when it was > converted to choke input. The whole chassis is a lot cooler and works great. > It just bugs me that I had to 'modify' the audio section to make it work. > > > > -- > Kind regards, > Terry Judkins > http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud > What if one day we all find out that the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all > about?! Article: 338150 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: Subject: Re: Found- New PhotofinishTtrick Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:42:46 GMT Hi! > It is thinner than ordinary printer paper and much, much thinner than > color laser prints. If you have a color laser printer, this might lend an interesting variety to the prints and extend the capabilities of what you can do. Do you have some pictures (preferably on a place other than the binaries, because they won't last long there for me) of what you did? I'm trying to visualize the concept. William Article: 338151 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Mike Subject: Re: Found- New PhotofinishTtrick Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:44:24 -0400 Message-ID: <7slcc2lv8qns44i2c8vpdq5t5mlh68iuct@4ax.com> References: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:43:09 -0400, Stewart Schooley wrote: >Every once in a while I fish around in Google Groups to see what other >groups are doing that might be useful to this group. Found a really neat >idea on rec.models.scale, a group that does lots of decal work. > >If you put ordinary clear packing tape on a laser print, rub it on good, >and then soak it in water for 5 minutes or so, you can rub off the paper >and the ink will be trapped on the tape. > >It will look transparent so it needs a super thin coating of white over >the ink. I used watered down cheap acrylic paint and brushed on a really >thin coat. > >Used a thin coat of Minwax's Polycrylic to glue it on an acrylic painted >board and shot spray can Deft on it. It didn't look quite right, but I >thought, I've had my fingers all over this tape and rubbing hard doing >it. I did another one and this time I washed off the tape with a little >Dawn dish liquid before lacquering. It looked good and after sitting in >direct sunlight for over an hour it still looked good. > >It is thinner than ordinary printer paper and much, much thinner than >color laser prints. Googled and found that my tape is 2 mil thick. Found >that EZ Start brand Standard Mailing Tape is 1.6 mil thick so I will >look for it > >My big interest in this is duplicating those Zebrawood strips some >radios have and I will pursue it as time permits. > >It is so simple for you to try this. Put a strip of tape over any >magazine photo, soak it in water and then rub off the paper. > >Stewart You may want to take a look at the waterslide decal paper these people have. They have it for inkjet and for laser/copier. http://www.lazertran.com/ Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sir Julian Huxley - Humanist, atheist and science popularizer, Professor of Zoology, President of UNESCO 25 yrs ago in a radio interview "I suppose that the reason that we lept at the origin (of the species) was because the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores." Article: 338152 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: WTD: owners manual for B&K 1466 o'scope Date: 25 Jul 2006 10:47:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153849629.971435.96040@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> $10 at goodwill. Looks like it works and should be adequate for my modest needs. Not found on bama. Article: 338153 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <9Tpxg.4508$bP5.3462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: more Worbud? Message-ID: <9Psxg.96471$1i1.57431@attbi_s72> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:47:49 GMT Hi! > Something that I don't understand (so what else is new?) I think Phil Nelson put it best on his radio website--a lot of radios were made, and some were very common. As such, some radios just won't have anything written about them, whether common or not. Maybe the radio is rare enough that few exist and nobody who has had the good fortune to find one has taken the time to write about it. It's a nice looking set...does the main radio separate from the clock body as your pictures suggest? William Article: 338154 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Philco 41-605 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:50:26 GMT Oh, the things I get roped into . . . I received a phone call from a furniture refinisher nearby. Somebody brought him a console radio that's a family heirloom. Actually it's a beautiful cabinet; one I wouldn't mind having myself. He wants the radio totally restored. So, after taking a look, I brought home the chassis, speaker, and turntable. Yes, it looks like I'll be delving into a "home" radio! The chassis actually doesn't look bad -- very simple; a recap, new dial string, bada bing! The turntable -- well, if anyone wants to chime in, I'm welcome for suggestions. I know Syl can rebuild the cartridge, but who does rubber idlers. I know Bill Turner used to, but didn't he just hand it to someone else? Also, the dial cover is torn, so whoever is doing these, please speak up. The platter also needs flocking -- and Mark, do you have a pushbutton that says "12"? Before the refinisher begins stripping, he wants to ensure he can get decals. I've got a partially-used decal sheet, with only the smaller "PHILCO" on it -- I can be safe in assuming one of the larger ones is correct. On the radio, I can read what appears to be "B'DC'ST" and "SW" on the center knob, and possibly "TUNING" on the third. I would assume the first is either "ON-OFF VOLUME" or just "VOLUME" but if someone can verify that I'd be grateful. More than likely the decal sheet offered by AES will have all of this. Also the grill cloth has a diamond pattern. Maybe, the top left pattern on page 58 of the AES catalog is correct if turned 90 degrees -- again, can someone verify? I can certainly do the chassis. However everything else may need help from the rest of you. Basically what I want is to check availability and price before digging into this project, so I'll take all the responses I can get. Thanks in advance. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 338155 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: art@myantiqueradio.com Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 25 Jul 2006 11:53:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153853614.565801.69140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I wonder if this is it http://cgi.ebay.com/1930S-Art-Deco-SPARTON-BLUEBIRD-566-Radio_W0QQitemZ130009798277QQihZ003QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Syl wrote: > "Tim Mullen" wrote in message > news:ea3pml$iqe$1@reader2.panix.com... > > In <29038-44C56040-56@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> goodguyy@webtv.net > > (Ken G.) writes: > > > >>YEP in other words a ``novelty radio`` just like a radio that looks like > >>a lamp or chest . > > > > I've heard it was supposed to be an abstract representation of a > > biplane (triplane?) in the sky. The blue mirror is the sky, the > > feet sorta correspond to the landing gear, and, uh... Well, I did > > say "abstract". > > Interesting. First time I hear about this and indeed it sure looks like > the Red Baron in the sky, the dial chromed ring being the propeller > and the feet the wheels for the landing gear. Interesting design > considering Von Richtofen was buried in 1918 and this radio > designed in the 30ies. I wonder what the Nocturne represents... > > Syl Article: 338156 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lee Babcock Subject: Re: more Worbud? References: <9Tpxg.4508$bP5.3462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <9Psxg.96471$1i1.57431@attbi_s72> Message-ID: <44c66972_3@x-privat.org> Date: 25 Jul 2006 20:56:50 +0200 William R. Walsh wrote: > Hi! > It's a nice looking set...does the main radio separate from the clock body > as your pictures suggest? > > William As a piece of furniture, it is what is called an Art Deco Waterfall design Regards Lee Article: 338157 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Found- New PhotofinishTtrick References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:06:36 -0500 William R. Walsh wrote: > Hi! > >> It is thinner than ordinary printer paper and much, much thinner than >> color laser prints. > > If you have a color laser printer, this might lend an interesting variety to > the prints and extend the capabilities of what you can do. > > Do you have some pictures (preferably on a place other than the binaries, > because they won't last long there for me) of what you did? I'm trying to > visualize the concept. It's a simple operation to save any images that you want keep. In fact, I often save images temporarily in order to zoom into details that are not easily discerned in the original format. > > William > > > Article: 338158 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: polymorph@polyphoto.com Subject: Re: PCB design software Date: 25 Jul 2006 12:08:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1153854521.269437.31630@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153831935.554676.35460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> > Wrighty wrote: > > Look on ebay for pcbcad17 > > > > http://web.ukonline.co.uk/cresswellavenue/pcbcad17.htm He joined a Yahoogroup I run and posted his link. Despite misgivings based on a Google search, I gave him a chance. He misunderstood something I said (I was actually defending him from a snide remark someone else posted) and he went nuts. Posted a dozen messages name-calling me and other list members, posted pictures of his ass in Photos, posted flaming name calling in Links, Polls, and even the Database section. All within less than half an hour. You can guess how he'd respond to a bug report or request for assistance with his software. Article: 338159 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:38:02 -0700 Message-ID: <6nscc2ll572jo5p5vq1dod8gvujurm5etn@4ax.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44c181f5_3@x-privat.org> On 22 Jul 2006 03:40:05 +0200, Lee Babcock wrote: >That NG has been under attack for a few weeks now by trolls trying to >destroy the NG> >They are very good at stealing identities and posting in real users name. That hasn't happened in here yet that I've seen. Perhap you're not facile enough on Usenet matters to know the difference? Article: 338160 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:01:54 -0400 Message-ID: <12ccu5t5duhjn40@corp.supernews.com> References: <16827-44C5B05F-1053@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:vtoxg.1098613$xm3.156524@attbi_s21... > .. wrong > knobs on it NONE of the 02CA Crosley's have knobs. I'm not sure any originals exist. John H. Article: 338161 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <16827-44C5B32D-1055@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> In <16827-44C5B32D-1055@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) writes: >Tim thats not a bad description . I like the blue mirror radio myself >but its on my last to like list because its a round mirror basically . I'm more or less of the same mind. Bluebird's don't do a whole lot for me, although I love deco, moderne, etc. OTOH, I just *luv* the Nocturne. Go figure. >If i ever found one local cheap i would sell it . I'd probably trade for a 558. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338162 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153796661.621347.246450@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <16827-44C5B384-1056@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> <1153810914.596296.5580@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In <1153810914.596296.5580@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Steven" writes: >Ken G. wrote: >> No matter what you do, it will be blown sky-high silly after you die. >> >> The water in my boat picture started moving just a minute ago . >Hey, do you have a chassis? All of my radios have a chassis. That's what makes 'em radios! -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338163 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <29038-44C56040-56@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> In "Syl" writes: >"Tim Mullen" wrote in message >news:ea3pml$iqe$1@reader2.panix.com... >> >> I've heard it was supposed to be an abstract representation of a >> biplane (triplane?) in the sky. The blue mirror is the sky, the >> feet sorta correspond to the landing gear, and, uh... Well, I did >> say "abstract". >Interesting. First time I hear about this and indeed it sure looks like >the Red Baron in the sky, the dial chromed ring being the propeller >and the feet the wheels for the landing gear. I'm not even sure where I heard this. I *think* it was Charlotte >from Waves, but I'm not even sure of that. So, I could very well be spreading rumors. Grain of salt, and all that. However, it does seem plausible. Certainly there was a fascination with air travel at the time, and it was all the rage to have utilitarian objects reflect the new world order of rapid technological progress. One of the things I like about the era, in fact. >Interesting design >considering Von Richtofen was buried in 1918 and this radio >designed in the 30ies. Yeah, I've thought about that, too. Monoplanes ruled the sky by then. Nostalgia for the early days of flight? That's kind of grasping at straws, I'll admit. >I wonder what the Nocturne represents... Bomber? :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338164 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Here's an unusual one for Mr.Tayman. Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In "Gary Tayman" writes: >That is indeed a weird looking contraption! Hah! The Predicta of tractor radios? >"Tom Adkins" wrote in message >news:GO6dneX7za-tFVjZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> I thought of Gary Tayman when I saw this radio. Not exactly a car radio, >> but close. It's made to mount on a tractor. I'd like to have it just for >> the novelty. Ebay item #150015068599 -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338165 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:07:41 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Re: Found- New PhotofinishTtrick References: Message-ID: William R. Walsh wrote: > Hi! > > >>It is thinner than ordinary printer paper and much, much thinner than >>color laser prints. > > > If you have a color laser printer, this might lend an interesting variety to > the prints and extend the capabilities of what you can do. > > Do you have some pictures (preferably on a place other than the binaries, > because they won't last long there for me) of what you did? I'm trying to > visualize the concept. > > William > > William, I could scan the tests I did and e-mail them to you, but nothing can take the place of putting tape on a magazine photo and then removing the paper to fully see and understand the process. Try the iron as Tom suggested. I'll try it too the next time I work with this. Stewart Article: 338166 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:31:53 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Re: Found- New PhotofinishTtrick References: <7slcc2lv8qns44i2c8vpdq5t5mlh68iuct@4ax.com> Message-ID: Mike wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:43:09 -0400, Stewart Schooley > wrote: > > >>Every once in a while I fish around in Google Groups to see what other >>groups are doing that might be useful to this group. Found a really neat >>idea on rec.models.scale, a group that does lots of decal work. >> >>If you put ordinary clear packing tape on a laser print, rub it on good, >>and then soak it in water for 5 minutes or so, you can rub off the paper >>and the ink will be trapped on the tape. >> >>It will look transparent so it needs a super thin coating of white over >>the ink. I used watered down cheap acrylic paint and brushed on a really >>thin coat. >> >>Used a thin coat of Minwax's Polycrylic to glue it on an acrylic painted >>board and shot spray can Deft on it. It didn't look quite right, but I >>thought, I've had my fingers all over this tape and rubbing hard doing >>it. I did another one and this time I washed off the tape with a little >>Dawn dish liquid before lacquering. It looked good and after sitting in >>direct sunlight for over an hour it still looked good. >> >>It is thinner than ordinary printer paper and much, much thinner than >>color laser prints. Googled and found that my tape is 2 mil thick. Found >>that EZ Start brand Standard Mailing Tape is 1.6 mil thick so I will >>look for it >> >>My big interest in this is duplicating those Zebrawood strips some >>radios have and I will pursue it as time permits. >> >>It is so simple for you to try this. Put a strip of tape over any >>magazine photo, soak it in water and then rub off the paper. >> >>Stewart > > > > You may want to take a look at the waterslide decal paper these people > have. > They have it for inkjet and for laser/copier. > http://www.lazertran.com/ > > Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sir Julian Huxley - Humanist, atheist and science popularizer, Professor > of Zoology, President of UNESCO 25 yrs ago in a radio interview > "I suppose that the reason that we lept at the origin (of the species) > was because the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores." Mike, I looked at the Lazertran site a long time ago and found some problems with it; 1- It only works with older copiers and these are getting harder to find. 2- These older copiers "that use silicon release oil" introduces silicon into your restoration and there could be some problems. 3 - Finding a place that will run any decal paper through their copiers is difficult. I have been turned down by three different places. The guy at Staples told me that he would only run it if I gauranteed I would pay for cleaning his machine if the paper caused problems. No deal. 4 - Finally, the cost. Lazertran wants $35 for a ten sheet package of 11 x 17 paper. Staples charges 39 cents for an 8 and 1/2 x 11 sheet and $2 for a 11 x 17 sheet Stewart Article: 338167 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: Philco 41-605 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:01:02 -0400 Message-ID: I have the decal sheets for Philco and Zenith here, too. $6 ea post paid to anyone here. Another item to add to my website.... Gary, I know that knob for the TT you need, but dont think I have it... however, some others I have might fit. Mark Oppat "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:SJtxg.9983$6G3.7477@trnddc05... > Oh, the things I get roped into . . . > > I received a phone call from a furniture refinisher nearby. Somebody > brought him a console radio that's a family heirloom. Actually it's a > beautiful cabinet; one I wouldn't mind having myself. He wants the radio > totally restored. > > So, after taking a look, I brought home the chassis, speaker, and turntable. > Yes, it looks like I'll be delving into a "home" radio! The chassis > actually doesn't look bad -- very simple; a recap, new dial string, bada > bing! The turntable -- well, if anyone wants to chime in, I'm welcome for > suggestions. I know Syl can rebuild the cartridge, but who does rubber > idlers. I know Bill Turner used to, but didn't he just hand it to someone > else? Also, the dial cover is torn, so whoever is doing these, please speak > up. The platter also needs flocking -- and Mark, do you have a pushbutton > that says "12"? > > Before the refinisher begins stripping, he wants to ensure he can get > decals. I've got a partially-used decal sheet, with only the smaller > "PHILCO" on it -- I can be safe in assuming one of the larger ones is > correct. On the radio, I can read what appears to be "B'DC'ST" and "SW" on > the center knob, and possibly "TUNING" on the third. I would assume the > first is either "ON-OFF VOLUME" or just "VOLUME" but if someone can verify > that I'd be grateful. More than likely the decal sheet offered by AES will > have all of this. Also the grill cloth has a diamond pattern. Maybe, the > top left pattern on page 58 of the AES catalog is correct if turned 90 > degrees -- again, can someone verify? > > I can certainly do the chassis. However everything else may need help from > the rest of you. Basically what I want is to check availability and price > before digging into this project, so I'll take all the responses I can get. > Thanks in advance. > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > Article: 338168 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <16827-44C5B05F-1053@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> <12ccu5t5duhjn40@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:04:18 -0400 Message-ID: <06Cdnc0WgbssCVvZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com> that series of radios is famous for the decayed plastic buttons and knobs. There is the 02CA, CB, CP etc, and 03 series and 22 series. I dont get the number meaning, but the P means Phono. They were big sellers around 1940-42 for Crosley, I see them all the time up here at shows Mark Oppat "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12ccu5t5duhjn40@corp.supernews.com... > > "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message > news:vtoxg.1098613$xm3.156524@attbi_s21... > > .. wrong > > knobs on it > > NONE of the 02CA Crosley's have knobs. I'm not sure any originals exist. > > John H. > > > Article: 338169 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 25 Jul 2006 15:34:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1153866870.012141.232890@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153796661.621347.246450@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Tim Mullen wrote: > In <1153810914.596296.5580@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Steven" writes: > > >Ken G. wrote: > >> No matter what you do, it will be blown sky-high silly after you die. > >> > >> The water in my boat picture started moving just a minute ago . > > >Hey, do you have a chassis? > > All of my radios have a chassis. That's what makes 'em radios! > > -- > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Indeedee-doo. I was looking for the chassis to the cabinet I sold Dave and have second thoughts about (it just sits in his garage anyway). See the thread about the 10S669 the eBayer was stunting with. Article: 338170 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: 25 Jul 2006 15:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1153867032.133457.247340@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> DeserTBoB wrote: > On 22 Jul 2006 03:40:05 +0200, Lee Babcock wrote: > > >That NG has been under attack for a few weeks now by trolls trying to > >destroy the NG> > >They are very good at stealing identities and posting in real users name. > > That hasn't happened in here yet that I've seen. Perhap you're not > facile enough on Usenet matters to know the difference? Screw yourself, Bob-o. Terrell and myself have been spoofed more than once, and that wouldn't be the end of it. Article: 338171 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <25900-44C394EB-936@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> <1153715278.735075.149000@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153730984.734353.59750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153763219.227628.279360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153798247.249871.28400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153799455.991360.140830@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153831562.854585.148970@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In "Gary Tayman" writes: >Maybe I should ask it this way: if you had room to display only one console >radio, what would it be? The best one. :) Seriously, I'm partial to the '38 Zeniths for one and only one reason -- I like the sort of triangular Robot Dial. I think everybody here collects for some combination of performance and aesthetics. For me the aesthetics definitely comes first. The square dial just doesn't do much for me, but some folks might feel the other way around. Performance-wise, well... I'm not the one to judge. If it picks up an SSTRAN, that works for me. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338172 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <25900-44C394EB-936@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> <1153715278.735075.149000@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153730984.734353.59750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153763219.227628.279360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153798247.249871.28400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153799455.991360.140830@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153831562.854585.148970@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <44c6bbe6$0$3519$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:bwzxg.5337$fL3.4091@trnddc07... > How is it performance-wise? Does it compare to other good consoles? Is > it cheap? Is it undesirable because of performance problems, or because > there happens to be a lot of them and they're not so rare? There are a LOT of them. Performance wise they're fine. 10 tube sets have PP 6V6 audio and a big speaker and sound very good. They have a built in box antenna so if you just want to listen to AM BC you won't have to run a wire. > Supposin' I got one of these, rebuilt the chassis (yes I have wire), had > the cabinet redone, and placed it in my living room. If a visitor dropped > by, would he take one look at this radio and say, "Yuck! Why are you > displaying such a crappy set?" Not very likely, unless your cabinet guy isn't very good at dealing with photofinish. These have acres of it. > Maybe I should ask it this way: if you had room to display only one > console radio, what would it be? The nicest one I own, of course. :) Gary, the problem with 1942 Zeniths is a combination of photofinish, rubber wire, unattractive pushbuttons, high power transformer failure rate, and ubiquity. And a boring dial that doesn't light up very well. Since most collectors have limited console space a set like this will tend to get pushed out in favor of others that don't present as many problems. JM2c -p. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 338173 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: Subject: Re: Found- New PhotofinishTtrick Message-ID: <1Zzxg.856489$084.134522@attbi_s22> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:56:13 GMT Hi! > It's a simple operation to save any images that you want keep. In fact, > I often save images temporarily in order to zoom into details that are > not easily discerned in the original format. That's not quite the problem I have. The retention on the radio pictures/binaries group is extremely short from my point of view. By the time I get there for the first time, what I wanted to see may already be gone. A while back the same thing happened and it annoyed me. Someone here posted a bunch of nice radio related [clip]art and I was going to take a copy. Silly me, I forgot to take my newsreader offline...and there went the message! William Article: 338174 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lee Babcock Subject: Re: This newsgroup References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44c181f5_3@x-privat.org> <6nscc2ll572jo5p5vq1dod8gvujurm5etn@4ax.com> Message-ID: <44c6d11f_3@x-privat.org> Date: 26 Jul 2006 04:19:12 +0200 DeserTBoB wrote: > On 22 Jul 2006 03:40:05 +0200, Lee Babcock wrote: > >> That NG has been under attack for a few weeks now by trolls trying to >> destroy the NG> >> They are very good at stealing identities and posting in real users name. > > That hasn't happened in here yet that I've seen. Perhap you're not > facile enough on Usenet matters to know the difference? Why don't you read the messages before you answer? The OP was referring to another NG! And, I've been on USENET since it began! Regards Lee Article: 338175 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <25900-44C394EB-936@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> <1153715278.735075.149000@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153730984.734353.59750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153763219.227628.279360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153798247.249871.28400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153799455.991360.140830@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153831562.854585.148970@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44c6bbe6$0$3519$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:26:34 GMT In article <44c6bbe6$0$3519$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com says... > > >Gary, Since most >collectors have limited console space a set like this will tend to get >pushed out in favor of others that don't present as many problems. > >JM2c Which is exactly why the 42 radios don't bring big bucks. The 8,10,12 toobers are excellent performers and if you don't mind the looks of them.. they do provide a cheap old working console.... do me a favor if you get one... deep 6 the 6x5 tubes in favor of diodes... and stick a large power resistor in the linecord to drop the juice to about 105 volts... I don't want to hear you whining about looking for a power transformer.. John k9uwa ps: .. try to get one with decent faux on it.. the rest of the cabinet will most likely look pretty good also.. Article: 338176 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: 25 Jul 2006 20:21:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153884064.284519.260090@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article <44c6bbe6$0$3519$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, > pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com says... > > > > > >Gary, Since most > >collectors have limited console space a set like this will tend to get > >pushed out in favor of others that don't present as many problems. > > > >JM2c > > Which is exactly why the 42 radios don't bring big bucks. The 8,10,12 toobers > are excellent performers and if you don't mind the looks of them.. > they do provide a cheap old working console.... do me a favor if you > get one... deep 6 the 6x5 tubes in favor of diodes... and stick a > large power resistor in the linecord to drop the juice to about 105 > volts... I don't want to hear you whining about looking for a power > transformer.. > > John k9uwa > ps: .. try to get one with decent faux on it.. the rest of the cabinet > will most likely look pretty good also.. Well, I'll keep an eye on eBay, to be certain, but the point was that I'd rather buy one from a group member, it doesn't need to be perfect or running (just fixable) and I'd rather use the cabinet for what it was meant for than have Dave make it into some kind of stereo video/lighted panel thing. PS Lycos finally decided to upgrade my account to the new mail service, so that is down for a few hours (and that what Yahoo! said too). If you want to reply right at this moment you should use thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com perhaps. Yes the cabinet looks as fine as I could expect, not much work to do in my eyes, but 43 of you could tell me different ;-) Article: 338177 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: 25 Jul 2006 20:22:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153884154.616277.90850@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Lee Babcock wrote: > DeserTBoB wrote: > > On 22 Jul 2006 03:40:05 +0200, Lee Babcock wrote: > > > >> That NG has been under attack for a few weeks now by trolls trying to > >> destroy the NG> > >> They are very good at stealing identities and posting in real users name. > > > > That hasn't happened in here yet that I've seen. Perhap you're not > > facile enough on Usenet matters to know the difference? > > Why don't you read the messages before you answer? The OP was referring > to another NG! > And, I've been on USENET since it began! > > Regards > Lee You must have fungus in your talons by now... Article: 338178 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: 25 Jul 2006 20:26:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1153884391.756315.323000@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> 1980 or so is still newer than 99% of my receivers... Hey, mellow. If you've been around this long surely you've solved interpersonal relations difficulties by now? I realize being a Canadian is a tough job too. Article: 338179 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:26:47 -0600 Message-ID: <22624-44C6E0F7-314@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> References: Yes i have a chassis Article: 338180 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 25 Jul 2006 20:43:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1153885406.163814.17130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Ken G. wrote: > Yes i have a chassis How much do you want? Article: 338181 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Philco 41-605 References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:20:30 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > I know Syl can rebuild the cartridge, but who does rubber > idlers. I know Bill Turner used to, but didn't he just hand > it to someone else? That would be me. > Also, the dial cover is torn, so whoever is doing these, > please speak up. I believe that's John Bachman doing those now. Although, I work next to a prototyping shop with a vacuum forming machine. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 338182 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <25900-44C394EB-936@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> <1153715278.735075.149000@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153730984.734353.59750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153763219.227628.279360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153798247.249871.28400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153799455.991360.140830@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153831562.854585.148970@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:23:39 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > Maybe I should ask it this way: if you had room to display only > one console radio, what would it be? I'd have to say this one. http://radioatticarchives.com/images/p/Philco_40-215_Warren.jpg It's currently in my living room, un-restored. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 338183 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <25900-44C394EB-936@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> <1153715278.735075.149000@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153730984.734353.59750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153763219.227628.279360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153798247.249871.28400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153799455.991360.140830@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153831562.854585.148970@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In Jeffrey D Angus writes: >http://radioatticarchives.com/images/p/Philco_40-215_Warren.jpg Is that one of the Mysery Remote units? (Yes, I know. That typo was too good to correct.) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338184 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <25900-44C394EB-936@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> <1153715278.735075.149000@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153730984.734353.59750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153763219.227628.279360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153798247.249871.28400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153799455.991360.140830@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153831562.854585.148970@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:47:17 GMT Well, yeah, it does have it's certain "Misery index" That's one of the models that Philco made with the magic disappearing push buttons that self-destruct and look like 6 week old corn bread. Jeff Tim Mullen wrote: > In Jeffrey D Angus writes: > > >>http://radioatticarchives.com/images/p/Philco_40-215_Warren.jpg > > > Is that one of the Mysery Remote units? > > (Yes, I know. That typo was too good to correct.) > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 338185 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "woodrails" Subject: FA : 45 RPM ,Elvis and Beatles Themed 1952 Seeburg 100 C ,Juke Box, Rochester,NY Date: 25 Jul 2006 22:33:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Auction ends wedneday afternoon at around 6pm, Real nice working Elvis and Beatles themed 1952 Seeburgh 100 C , 45 RPM Juke Box http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&item=330010574620&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/vintagecoinopclassics/1952%20Seeburgh%20100%20C/ Article: 338186 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: more Worbud? Date: 26 Jul 2006 00:51:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1153900284.696299.223540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <9Tpxg.4508$bP5.3462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> Omer Suleimanagich wrote: > Looks like a, CLOCK/radio! > > > > Omer > > > > "Lee Babcock" wrote in message > news:44c66972_3@x-privat.org... > > William R. Walsh wrote: > >> Hi! > > > >> It's a nice looking set...does the main radio separate from the clock > >> body > >> as your pictures suggest? > >> > >> William > > As a piece of furniture, it is what is called an Art Deco Waterfall design > > Regards > > Lee Nice site. Wish you would at least put up a blind page for those who do not have binaries as our eyes have become Googley. Article: 338187 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: 26 Jul 2006 01:21:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1153902066.369537.174630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Well, yeah, it does have it's certain "Misery index" That's one of > the models that Philco made with the magic disappearing push buttons > that self-destruct and look like 6 week old corn bread. > > Jeff They said "Don't touch that dial!" and of course--you can't. Article: 338188 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: FA : 45 RPM ,Elvis and Beatles Themed 1952 Seeburg 100 C ,Juke Box, Rochester,NY Date: 26 Jul 2006 01:24:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1153902255.412286.97550@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> woodrails wrote: > Auction ends wedneday afternoon at around 6pm, Real nice working Elvis > and Beatles themed 1952 Seeburgh 100 C , 45 RPM Juke Box > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&item=330010574620&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/vintagecoinopclassics/1952%20Seeburgh%20100%20C/ Wicked Cool, Pops! Make a million on it. Article: 338189 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 45 RPM ,Elvis and Beatles Themed 1952 Seeburg 100 C ,Juke Box, Rochester,NY Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:13:21 GMT Uh, excuse me, did you say 1952? With Elvis and the Beatles? I'm not sure when the Seeburg 100 first came out; I know they were in use in the mid 1950's -- However Elvis didn't have any hits until 1956, and the Beatles were unknown in this country until 1964. What's inside this jukebox -- a crystal ball? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "woodrails" wrote in message news:1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Auction ends wedneday afternoon at around 6pm, Real nice working Elvis > and Beatles themed 1952 Seeburgh 100 C , 45 RPM Juke Box > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&item=330010574620&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/vintagecoinopclassics/1952%20Seeburgh%20100%20C/ > Article: 338190 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: 45 RPM ,Elvis and Beatles Themed 1952 Seeburg 100 C ,Juke Box, Rochester,NY Date: 26 Jul 2006 03:21:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1153909309.813596.85470@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Gary Tayman wrote: > Uh, excuse me, did you say 1952? > > With Elvis and the Beatles? > > I'm not sure when the Seeburg 100 first came out; I know they were in use in > the mid 1950's -- > > However Elvis didn't have any hits until 1956, and the Beatles were unknown > in this country until 1964. What's inside this jukebox -- a crystal ball? > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > "woodrails" wrote in message > news:1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Auction ends wedneday afternoon at around 6pm, Real nice working Elvis > > and Beatles themed 1952 Seeburgh 100 C , 45 RPM Juke Box > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&item=330010574620&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > > > http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/vintagecoinopclassics/1952%20Seeburgh%20100%20C/ > > Whoa, Gary, take a twin spin of this...stereo 45s would be rare if not non-existant until the early-mid 60s, so it would have played all of those cats in it's days of eating quarters dimes and nickles. We DID have an early stereo Seeburg at the Nyssa A&W Drive-In for years (alas, it's long gone), but this model would've seen a long happy life anyway. It gets a B- for accuracy but A+ and extra credit for looks. Class dismissed, and don't forget your yearbook fees...don't want to miss that glorious class of '57. Article: 338191 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 26 Jul 2006 04:26:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1153913217.511322.21450@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Tim Mullen wrote: > Yeah, I've thought about that, too. Monoplanes ruled the sky by > then. Nostalgia for the early days of flight? That's kind of grasping > at straws, I'll admit. Not so much as you might think. Barnstormers were the 'rage' operating unfettered through the late 20s and almost up to the depression. Old biplanes could be had for a couple of hundred dollars (really), some of these "pilots" would scratch their livings flying around giving rides and doing a few tricks... often (sadly) fatal as the maintenance of these craft would be spotty at best. In the 30s, during the depression, the roots of the FAA stepped in and attempted to make rules for the activity, but it continued here and there right up until WW-II, even a bit thereafter. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 338192 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "dave@hurtle.com" Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: 26 Jul 2006 04:40:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1153914022.831012.82190@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Gary Tayman wrote: > > Maybe I should ask it this way: if you had room to display only one console > radio, what would it be? > Perhaps the question should be: If you had room to display only only one console radio, which can be obtained in decent condition for under $100, what would it be? There are many radios that fit that description but I find most of them boring but now that the pricey Zs are taken out of the equation, the fact that these are black dial Zeniths starts working for them again. I have a 10S669 and it is my only console. I wasn't aware they had weak transformers and the rectifier is a 5Y4G so no 6X5 failures. I will admit there are nicer Zeniths out there but I'm not going to shell out $500 and do another restoration to upgrade. If I had to pick another low dollar console I'd go for a RCA 19K with the racetrack dial. Article: 338193 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:19:54 -0500 Subject: Re: 45 RPM ,Elvis and Beatles Themed 1952 Seeburg 100 C ,Juke From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 7/26/06 4:13 AM, in article RmGxg.15439$2u4.1143@trnddc06, "Gary Tayman" wrote: > Uh, excuse me, did you say 1952? > > With Elvis and the Beatles? > > I'm not sure when the Seeburg 100 first came out; I know they were in use in > the mid 1950's -- > > However Elvis didn't have any hits until 1956, and the Beatles were unknown > in this country until 1964. What's inside this jukebox -- a crystal ball? The first Seeburg 100 came out in 1949 as a 78 player and was quickly discontinued the next year to be replaced by the 100B, which was the first 45rpm jukebox. With this one move, Seeburg single handedly cemented the 7" 45 record as the medium of choice for jukeboxes for the next 30 years. Had they not done this, it is questionable whether 45's would have survived as a format. The 100 C came out in 1952 and was basically a cosmetic makeover of the B. A very pretty machine with animated lit up pilasters. The one being offered is missing the plastic pilasters which have been replaced by ones from the 100G which were metal. Contrary to what the seller claims, I don't believe the C was ever offered from the factory with metal pilasters. Many of the original "C"plastic pilasters were replaced with metal ones from the G in the field, because the plastic ones were so easily broken, and the animation mechanicals were prone to failure. Other than that, the color of his machine is not anywhere near correct, the mech cover is cracked, and the cartridge is an incorrect pickering stereo, kludged to fit the mono tonearm. The jukebox crowd does seem to take a lot of liberties with parts and cosmetics, but a nicely veneered 100C, instead of a gaudily painted one like this example, is a far nicer looking machine, IMO. This one isn't very impressive. Article: 338194 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave McClellan" References: Subject: Re: Philco 41-605 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:21:47 -0400 West-Tech Services does idlers, as well as cartridges, stylii, and possibly other phono related items. Excellent service. http://www.west-techservices.com/index.htm Dave "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:SJtxg.9983$6G3.7477@trnddc05... > Oh, the things I get roped into . . . > > I received a phone call from a furniture refinisher nearby. Somebody > brought him a console radio that's a family heirloom. Actually it's a > beautiful cabinet; one I wouldn't mind having myself. He wants the radio > totally restored. > > So, after taking a look, I brought home the chassis, speaker, and turntable. > Yes, it looks like I'll be delving into a "home" radio! The chassis > actually doesn't look bad -- very simple; a recap, new dial string, bada > bing! The turntable -- well, if anyone wants to chime in, I'm welcome for > suggestions. I know Syl can rebuild the cartridge, but who does rubber > idlers. I know Bill Turner used to, but didn't he just hand it to someone > else? Also, the dial cover is torn, so whoever is doing these, please speak > up. The platter also needs flocking -- and Mark, do you have a pushbutton > that says "12"? > > Before the refinisher begins stripping, he wants to ensure he can get > decals. I've got a partially-used decal sheet, with only the smaller > "PHILCO" on it -- I can be safe in assuming one of the larger ones is > correct. On the radio, I can read what appears to be "B'DC'ST" and "SW" on > the center knob, and possibly "TUNING" on the third. I would assume the > first is either "ON-OFF VOLUME" or just "VOLUME" but if someone can verify > that I'd be grateful. More than likely the decal sheet offered by AES will > have all of this. Also the grill cloth has a diamond pattern. Maybe, the > top left pattern on page 58 of the AES catalog is correct if turned 90 > degrees -- again, can someone verify? > > I can certainly do the chassis. However everything else may need help from > the rest of you. Basically what I want is to check availability and price > before digging into this project, so I'll take all the responses I can get. > Thanks in advance. > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > Article: 338195 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <25900-44C394EB-936@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> <1153715278.735075.149000@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153730984.734353.59750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153763219.227628.279360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153798247.249871.28400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153799455.991360.140830@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153831562.854585.148970@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153914022.831012.82190@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:55:07 -0500 Message-ID: <44c758fa$0$12578$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote in message news:1153914022.831012.82190@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > I have a 10S669 and it is my only console. I wasn't aware they had > weak transformers and the rectifier is a 5Y4G so no 6X5 failures. Oops, my fault, you're right, 1941 was the last year for the 6X5s in the big consoles. Sometimes as-found sets with the 6X5s have blown PTs but this shouldn't be a problem for 1942 models with the 5Y4. > > If I had to pick another low dollar console I'd go for a RCA 19K with > the racetrack dial. > Did you see the one now on eBay for $40? I had noticed it because it's pretty close to my location. Just one tiny little problem with it. The whole lower right side is blown out (lost a battle with a car.) Lots of gluing and sanding needed to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. -p -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 338196 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "radionutz" References: <9Tpxg.4508$bP5.3462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <9Psxg.96471$1i1.57431@attbi_s72> Subject: Re: more Worbud? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:33:07 GMT William; Yes the clock is completely separate from the radio chassis except of course for the wires. The clock is a Sessions with a painted number that looks like TF 553. One other thing is that the town on the tube layout is Burlington NJ and not Belingham as I said earlier. THANKS BUNCHES, DON "William R. Walsh" wrote in message news:9Psxg.96471$1i1.57431@attbi_s72... > Hi! > >> Something that I don't understand (so what else is new?) > > I think Phil Nelson put it best on his radio website--a lot of radios were > made, and some were very common. As such, some radios just won't have > anything written about them, whether common or not. > > Maybe the radio is rare enough that few exist and nobody who has had the > good fortune to find one has taken the time to write about it. > > It's a nice looking set...does the main radio separate from the clock body > as your pictures suggest? > > William > > Article: 338197 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: <1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 45 RPM ,Elvis and Beatles Themed 1952 Seeburg 100 C ,Juke Box, Rochester,NY Message-ID: <_oKxg.3992$K94.3457@trnddc01> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:48:42 GMT Yikes! That's ugly! -- Mike Schultz "woodrails" wrote in message news:1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Auction ends wedneday afternoon at around 6pm, Real nice working Elvis > and Beatles themed 1952 Seeburgh 100 C , 45 RPM Juke Box > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&item=330010574620&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/vintagecoinopclassics/1952%20Seeburgh%20100%20C/ > Article: 338198 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1153909309.813596.85470@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 45 RPM ,Elvis and Beatles Themed 1952 Seeburg 100 C ,Juke Box, Rochester,NY Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:18:29 GMT I didn't catch the stereo part -- where's the other speaker? Actually after looking at it again, and reading through it again, it probably is indeed an early 50's model, and this guy made some serious changes to it, such as sticking the Elvis/Beatles photos onto the mirrored backing. Can you say, "Frankenjuke"? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Steven" wrote in message news:1153909309.813596.85470@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > Gary Tayman wrote: >> Uh, excuse me, did you say 1952? >> >> With Elvis and the Beatles? >> >> I'm not sure when the Seeburg 100 first came out; I know they were in use >> in >> the mid 1950's -- >> >> However Elvis didn't have any hits until 1956, and the Beatles were >> unknown >> in this country until 1964. What's inside this jukebox -- a crystal >> ball? >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >> >> >> "woodrails" wrote in message >> news:1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> > Auction ends wedneday afternoon at around 6pm, Real nice working Elvis >> > and Beatles themed 1952 Seeburgh 100 C , 45 RPM Juke Box >> > >> > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&item=330010574620&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 >> > >> > http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/vintagecoinopclassics/1952%20Seeburgh%20100%20C/ >> > > > Whoa, Gary, take a twin spin of this...stereo 45s would be rare if not > non-existant until the early-mid 60s, so it would have played all of > those cats in it's days of eating quarters dimes and nickles. We DID > have an early stereo Seeburg at the Nyssa A&W Drive-In for years (alas, > it's long gone), but this model would've seen a long happy life anyway. > It gets a B- for accuracy but A+ and extra credit for looks. > > Class dismissed, and don't forget your yearbook fees...don't want to > miss that glorious class of '57. > Article: 338199 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Philco 41-605 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:25:58 GMT Thanks for the tip. Although I generally prefer to do business with people on this list, in this case I may just wrap up the complete changer and send it off to be rebuilt. About the only thing I've done so far is bring it home, and hit it with an air compressor to blow away years of dust and grime, but that's about it. I noticed a couple of broken parts, looks like some semi-circular pot metal pieces -- so I'm in store for some mechanical fun and frolic if I tinker with it myself, so I'll pass. By the way, I had the radio playing this morning. Just needs a recap and dial string -- and yes, there is indeed some rubber wiring in there, and even though it's in remarkably good shape it's still coming out. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Dave McClellan" wrote in message news:E7Jxg.1$db.0@fe03.lga... > West-Tech Services does idlers, as well as cartridges, stylii, and > possibly > other phono related items. Excellent service. > > http://www.west-techservices.com/index.htm > > Dave > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:SJtxg.9983$6G3.7477@trnddc05... >> Oh, the things I get roped into . . . >> >> I received a phone call from a furniture refinisher nearby. Somebody >> brought him a console radio that's a family heirloom. Actually it's a >> beautiful cabinet; one I wouldn't mind having myself. He wants the radio >> totally restored. >> >> So, after taking a look, I brought home the chassis, speaker, and > turntable. >> Yes, it looks like I'll be delving into a "home" radio! The chassis >> actually doesn't look bad -- very simple; a recap, new dial string, bada >> bing! The turntable -- well, if anyone wants to chime in, I'm welcome >> for >> suggestions. I know Syl can rebuild the cartridge, but who does rubber >> idlers. I know Bill Turner used to, but didn't he just hand it to >> someone >> else? Also, the dial cover is torn, so whoever is doing these, please > speak >> up. The platter also needs flocking -- and Mark, do you have a >> pushbutton >> that says "12"? >> >> Before the refinisher begins stripping, he wants to ensure he can get >> decals. I've got a partially-used decal sheet, with only the smaller >> "PHILCO" on it -- I can be safe in assuming one of the larger ones is >> correct. On the radio, I can read what appears to be "B'DC'ST" and "SW" > on >> the center knob, and possibly "TUNING" on the third. I would assume the >> first is either "ON-OFF VOLUME" or just "VOLUME" but if someone can >> verify >> that I'd be grateful. More than likely the decal sheet offered by AES > will >> have all of this. Also the grill cloth has a diamond pattern. Maybe, >> the >> top left pattern on page 58 of the AES catalog is correct if turned 90 >> degrees -- again, can someone verify? >> >> I can certainly do the chassis. However everything else may need help > from >> the rest of you. Basically what I want is to check availability and >> price >> before digging into this project, so I'll take all the responses I can > get. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >> >> > > Article: 338200 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Oldradiodan" Subject: Re: Oscillation Stromberg Carlson 1121PL Date: 26 Jul 2006 08:26:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1153927614.337211.73300@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: Oldradiodan wrote: > TerryJ wrote: > > This is a chassis that is being refurbished to put in a 'Frankenradio' that > > I building. > > > > Schematic snippet is from a Stromberg Carlson 1121PL from 1946. > > http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud/PhaseInverterModn.JPG > > The diagram on the right is my attempt to 'simplify' the schematic. A > > complete schematic is here. > > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/292/M0021292.pdf > > > > The circuit oscillates at around 150kHz without the added 250pF cap from the > > speaker connection to the cathode of the 6SC7. All resistors are within > > 5%and caps have been replaced and tubes substituted. I even subbed 6F6s for > > the original 6V6s. > > The power supply originally was a cap input design with 340v and 230v > > outputs and used big shunt resistors to stabilize the voltage when a wire > > recorder was not connected. I changed it to a choke input to reduce the heat > > in the radio. The change made no difference in the oscillation problem but > > did reduce maximum output since plate voltage dropped to 270V on the 6V6s. > > > > It is completely stable with the added 250pF cap. Even at full volume I see > > no oscillation bursts in the waveform. Without the cap there is a constant > > high frequency signal on G1. The original symptom was distorted audio using > > the original speaker. Before I determined that it was oscillating it melted > > the voice coil destroying the speaker. I subbed a PM speaker in a proper > > enclosure and sound now is remarkably good for a 60 year old radio. I don't > > think SC would sell a design that was inherently unstable... or would they? > > > > It appears that the signal is coupled from triode 2 to 1 via the cathode > > resistor AC drop. The 68K resistor in the grid of triode 1 provides feedback > > to keep the output signals equal...? There is also feedback from the plate > > of the output tube V1 to the plate of inverter tube triode 2 through the > > 1.5meg resistor. > > > > The wire recorder must have had its own amp. The connector appears to have > > only B+ , 6.3V AC and audio. The radio had a 5U4 originally. Since the > > recorder was not available (perhaps never?) I put in a 5V4 when it was > > converted to choke input. The whole chassis is a lot cooler and works great. > > It just bugs me that I had to 'modify' the audio section to make it work. > > > > > > > > -- > > Kind regards, > > Terry Judkins > > http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud > > What if one day we all find out that the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all > > about?! Terry, Have you tried another 6SC7 tube? I had one of these chassis for many years and it was a very good performer. Did you check the resistor values in the amp section? Lead dress might have been disturbed during repairs? Just a few thoughts. Regards, Dan Article: 338201 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: WOW! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:33:30 -0400 This guy must have been a 'real sport'. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250009555784 Article: 338202 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FA: not mine Philco 16 code 125 version near Rochester, NY Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:09:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3pGdnYutjfezPFrZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com> If anyone here is going to Rochester AWA swap, you could swing up to Webster, NY and get this Philco 16 tombstone. Its the code 125, which was the last of the 16's, 1935. Its missing all the knobs, I have the 3 lower but the upper two tuning are rare and you have to get them in repro from Old Time Replications, but his look perfect, so dont fret that. The whole set of knobs will run ya about $45 or so. 110013668927 I couldnt get the whole url to copy so I just copied the list #. Mark Oppat begin 666 rtCurve.gif M1TE&.#EA" `(`)$``/___^_O[\[.SO___R'Y! 44``,`+ `````(``@```(1 35( Y8PF[#H)QTG$N>SIH5@``.P`` ` end Article: 338203 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <9Tpxg.4508$bP5.3462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <9Psxg.96471$1i1.57431@attbi_s72> <44c66972_3@x-privat.org> Subject: Re: more Worbud? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:38:20 GMT Hi! > As a piece of furniture, it is what is called an Art Deco Waterfall > design I was thinking that it might be such an arrangement where the radio would stay with the clock of a night (or whenever) and then come out during the day so that one might listen to it elsewhere... At the very least, that sounds like a convenient (and money saving) idea. William Article: 338204 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: Subject: Re: WOW! Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:17:08 -0700 Message-ID: I bought a baseball a few months ago. The one in this auction was in unusually nice condition. All others that I've seen have amber staining that's pretty impossible to remedy. Look at the cover of the "Machine Age to Jet Age" book, vol. II, to see what I mean. You can view my crummy one at http://antiqueradio.org/trophybaseball.htm . On page 282 of the Slusser collector guide, 6th edition, you can see a photo of another one. It looks like somebody tried to clean that one, as I did mine, which tends to take off the printing on the paper cover along with the staining. There's a good reason why very few radios have cardboard cases ! As for the price . . . this also has "crossover" appeal to people interested in the non-radio aspect. I suppose this is true for many novelty radios. Someone who has a trophy room full of baseball memorabilia might bid high on a baseball radio, not caring whether it works or whether it even has a radio inside. Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html P.S. The Stein book describes this radio as "Bakelite," which is nuts. The case is cardboard with a color-printed paper cover and the base is plastic with a brass trim piece. Article: 338205 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: WOW! References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:52:18 -0400 Is there a vent at the top? Ken Phil Nelson wrote: > I bought a baseball a few months ago. The one in this auction was in > unusually nice condition. All others that I've seen have amber staining > that's pretty impossible to remedy. Look at the cover of the "Machine Age to > Jet Age" book, vol. II, to see what I mean. > > You can view my crummy one at http://antiqueradio.org/trophybaseball.htm . > On page 282 of the Slusser collector guide, 6th edition, you can see a photo > of another one. It looks like somebody tried to clean that one, as I did > mine, which tends to take off the printing on the paper cover along with the > staining. > > There's a good reason why very few radios have cardboard cases ! > > As for the price . . . this also has "crossover" appeal to people interested > in the non-radio aspect. I suppose this is true for many novelty radios. > Someone who has a trophy room full of baseball memorabilia might bid high on > a baseball radio, not caring whether it works or whether it even has a radio > inside. > > Regards, > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > P.S. The Stein book describes this radio as "Bakelite," which is nuts. The > case is cardboard with a color-printed paper cover and the base is plastic > with a brass trim piece. > > Article: 338206 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: WOW! Message-ID: <6MQxg.17958$9w.338432@weber.videotron.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:03:25 -0400 "Ken" wrote in message news:zPMxg.3140$5H.1507@dukeread06... > This guy must have been a 'real sport'. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250009555784 Wow allright ! Syl Article: 338207 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <29038-44C56040-56@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <1153913217.511322.21450@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In <1153913217.511322.21450@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >Tim Mullen wrote: >> Yeah, I've thought about that, too. Monoplanes ruled the sky by >> then. Nostalgia for the early days of flight? That's kind of grasping >> at straws, I'll admit. >Not so much as you might think. Barnstormers were the 'rage' operating >unfettered through the late 20s and almost up to the depression. Old >biplanes could be had for a couple of hundred dollars (really), some of >these "pilots" would scratch their livings flying around giving rides >and doing a few tricks... often (sadly) fatal as the maintenance of >these craft would be spotty at best. In the 30s, during the depression, >the roots of the FAA stepped in and attempted to make rules for the >activity, but it continued here and there right up until WW-II, even a >bit thereafter. Good point. Just last night I caught a special on the history of aviation on PBS. They mentioned a lot of WWI pilots wound up as barnstormers after the war because they were unable to find any other jobs. Presumably any other jobs that would let them fly and pay as well. :) Certainly it was a dangerous occupation! A little off the original subject, I read years ago about a modern pilot, with a reasonable amount of experience flying vintage aircraft, taking one of the WWI fighters for a spin at the Rhinebeck Aerodrome. He wrote that it took all he had just to keep the bloody thing in the air, and couldn't imagine how the gentlemen of old managed to dog fight in the things. That led me to think: How in the world did anyone operate a radio? Even with a second person, the vibration and noise must've been intense. It's a wonder, with the primitive sets of the time, that anybody could get a message through. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338208 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: 45 RPM ,Elvis and Beatles Themed 1952 Seeburg 100 C ,Juke Box, Rochester,NY Date: 26 Jul 2006 14:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1153949162.351893.117580@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Gary Tayman wrote: > I didn't catch the stereo part -- where's the other speaker? > > Actually after looking at it again, and reading through it again, it > probably is indeed an early 50's model, and this guy made some serious > changes to it, such as sticking the Elvis/Beatles photos onto the mirrored > backing. > > Can you say, "Frankenjuke"? Not HIS, I mentioned a different box in Nyssa, Oregon and the stereo record weren't available for any body until maybe the mid sixties likely, and the this guy's jukebox will play then in mono anyway. None of these these will mean a lot to 1/2 the people looking anyway. Article: 338209 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: 45 RPM ,Elvis and Beatles Themed 1952 Seeburg 100 C ,Juke Box, Rochester,NY Date: 26 Jul 2006 14:29:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1153949367.427690.121970@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153892001.328361.213990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> John Stone wrote: > On 7/26/06 4:13 AM, in article RmGxg.15439$2u4.1143@trnddc06, "Gary Tayman" > wrote: > > > Uh, excuse me, did you say 1952? > > > > With Elvis and the Beatles? > > > > I'm not sure when the Seeburg 100 first came out; I know they were in use in > > the mid 1950's -- > > > > However Elvis didn't have any hits until 1956, and the Beatles were unknown > > in this country until 1964. What's inside this jukebox -- a crystal ball? > > > The first Seeburg 100 came out in 1949 as a 78 player and was quickly > discontinued the next year to be replaced by the 100B, which was the first > 45rpm jukebox. With this one move, Seeburg single handedly cemented the 7" > 45 record as the medium of choice for jukeboxes for the next 30 years. Had > they not done this, it is questionable whether 45's would have survived as a > format. > > > The 100 C came out in 1952 and was basically a cosmetic makeover of the B. A > very pretty machine with animated lit up pilasters. The one being offered is > missing the plastic pilasters which have been replaced by ones from the 100G > which were metal. Contrary to what the seller claims, I don't believe the C > was ever offered from the factory with metal pilasters. Many of the original > "C"plastic pilasters were replaced with metal ones from the G in the field, > because the plastic ones were so easily broken, and the animation > mechanicals were prone to failure. Other than that, the color of his > machine is not anywhere near correct, the mech cover is cracked, and the > cartridge is an incorrect pickering stereo, kludged to fit the mono tonearm. > The jukebox crowd does seem to take a lot of liberties with parts and > cosmetics, but a nicely veneered 100C, instead of a gaudily painted one like > this example, is a far nicer looking machine, IMO. This one isn't very > impressive. Okay, kludge city. Now depends if you want a jukebox or a hotrod. Article: 338210 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: 26 Jul 2006 14:44:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153950244.204280.303910@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> dave@hurtle.com wrote: > Gary Tayman wrote: > > > > Maybe I should ask it this way: if you had room to display only one console > > radio, what would it be? > > > > Perhaps the question should be: If you had room to display only only > one console radio, which can be obtained in decent condition for under > $100, what would it be? > > There are many radios that fit that description but I find most of them > boring but now that the pricey Zs are taken out of the equation, the > fact that these are black dial Zeniths starts working for them again. > > I have a 10S669 and it is my only console. I wasn't aware they had > weak transformers and the rectifier is a 5Y4G so no 6X5 failures. > > I will admit there are nicer Zeniths out there but I'm not going to > shell out $500 and do another restoration to upgrade. > > If I had to pick another low dollar console I'd go for a RCA 19K with > the racetrack dial. And I think I do have a 5Y4 as well as a few others (I've even got untested 27As IIRC). Article: 338211 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: 26 Jul 2006 14:46:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1153950388.310429.197760@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Paul Dietenberger wrote: > wrote in message > news:1153914022.831012.82190@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > I have a 10S669 and it is my only console. I wasn't aware they had > > weak transformers and the rectifier is a 5Y4G so no 6X5 failures. > > Oops, my fault, you're right, 1941 was the last year for the 6X5s in the big > consoles. Sometimes as-found sets with the 6X5s have blown PTs but this > shouldn't be a problem for 1942 models with the 5Y4. > > > > If I had to pick another low dollar console I'd go for a RCA 19K with > > the racetrack dial. > > > Did you see the one now on eBay for $40? I had noticed it because it's > pretty close to my location. Just one tiny little problem with it. The whole > lower right side is blown out (lost a battle with a car.) Lots of gluing and > sanding needed to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. > > -p > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Gentlemen, we have the technology. We can rebuild (it).--The Six Million Dollar Man Article: 338212 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: FA: not mine Philco 16 code 125 version near Rochester, NY From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <3pGdnYutjfezPFrZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com> Message-ID: <%BRxg.477205$Fs1.59835@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:00:27 GMT On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:09:53 GMT, Mark Oppat wrote: > << Attached file: rtCurve.gif (64 bytes) >> Wow! A GIF! For me? Thanks! Article: 338213 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: FA: not mine Philco 16 code 125 version near Rochester, NY Date: 26 Jul 2006 15:13:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1153952020.098686.33800@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <3pGdnYutjfezPFrZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com> Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian, wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:09:53 GMT, Mark Oppat wrote: > > > << Attached file: rtCurve.gif (64 bytes) >> > > Wow! A GIF! For me? Thanks! Lucky dawg Google won't drop the bone Article: 338214 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: Subject: Re: WOW! Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:16:07 -0700 Message-ID: <9oKdncyvkM02dFrZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> "Ken" <> wrote in message news:HROxg.3145$5H.2305@dukeread06... > Is there a vent at the top? Ken Yes, there's a circular vent at the top, under the metal Trophy badge, and a matching one in the rear near the bottom. The round speaker grille on bottom front makes a third opening, and probably lets a little more air through. Even with vents, a cramped spherical radio runs hot as Hades. The vents are metal circles with metal mesh. I don't know what the metal was plated with, if anything. It doesn't polish up with anything that I have in the house. Same with the Trophy badge on top. I don't know what these things cost in 1939/1940, but you are *not* looking at luxury-class build quality. Most novelty radios are cheap by definition, I guess. Even though the auctioned radio is in comparatively good shape, if you look closely at the photos, you'll see that the two case pieces don't really mate up. Duh. The joint between the halves was originally covered by an overlapping strip of paper from one of the case pieces. Which of course got destroyed the first time some Sad Sack serviceman had to winkle this contraption apart to replace a tube. The thing keeping the cardboard hemispheres vaguely matching in circumference is a circle of rough-sawn wood, glued inside one of the cardboard pieces. The hemispheres each attach to the chassis with a single screw. Good luck finding that screw hole, even with a strong flashlight, when you're trying to get all these poorly-fitting pieces back into place. Oh, and did I mention that you need to leave the mini loop antenna *unattached* until you get the rest of the chassis inside, then straighten it up and secure it with its mounting screw. Cute as it is, not a particularly fun radio to work on. Compared to this, a Colonial Globe with Bakelite case is a Rolls-Royce! Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 338215 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 26 Jul 2006 15:18:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1153952283.300964.3230@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Tim Mullen wrote: > In <1153913217.511322.21450@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: > > >Tim Mullen wrote: > > >> Yeah, I've thought about that, too. Monoplanes ruled the sky by > >> then. Nostalgia for the early days of flight? That's kind of grasping > >> at straws, I'll admit. > > >Not so much as you might think. Barnstormers were the 'rage' operating > >unfettered through the late 20s and almost up to the depression. Old > >biplanes could be had for a couple of hundred dollars (really), some of > >these "pilots" would scratch their livings flying around giving rides > >and doing a few tricks... often (sadly) fatal as the maintenance of > >these craft would be spotty at best. In the 30s, during the depression, > >the roots of the FAA stepped in and attempted to make rules for the > >activity, but it continued here and there right up until WW-II, even a > >bit thereafter. > > Good point. Just last night I caught a special on the history of > aviation on PBS. They mentioned a lot of WWI pilots wound up as > barnstormers after the war because they were unable to find any other > jobs. Presumably any other jobs that would let them fly and pay as > well. :) Certainly it was a dangerous occupation! > > A little off the original subject, I read years ago about a modern > pilot, with a reasonable amount of experience flying vintage aircraft, > taking one of the WWI fighters for a spin at the Rhinebeck Aerodrome. > He wrote that it took all he had just to keep the bloody thing in the > air, and couldn't imagine how the gentlemen of old managed to dog fight > in the things. That led me to think: How in the world did anyone > operate a radio? Even with a second person, the vibration and noise > must've been intense. It's a wonder, with the primitive sets of the > time, that anybody could get a message through. Probably Morse. > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- I don't have much of a basement unless that's the door to a cellar in back. I don't think Patches, Pepper or Cinnamon would like you down in there. Article: 338216 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: wizzzer@hotmail.com Subject: Should I go get a free Philco console radio? Date: 26 Jul 2006 18:14:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1153962875.020400.111590@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I have a chance to go get one for free. It needs some repair. It's a 1935 model. The cabinet looks fine but it's not as fancy as some others I've seen on the web. It has AM and SW. I never had a shortwave radio before. What can you hear on that? In the past I've learned a little basic electronics and I've put together a few circuits using other people's plans. I know where I can download a lot of vintage electronics repair books. From what the guy says, it sounds like I might only have to replace the power cord and grill cloth. Do you guys think I should jump on this? Article: 338217 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:08:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1438-44C81224-1537@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153885406.163814.17130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> How much do you want? 15$ From suptjudatcomcastdotnet Sat Jul 29 12:03:27 EDT 2006 Article: 338218 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:34:07 -0500 From: "TerryJ" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono References: <1153847630.624372.146400@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153927614.337211.73300@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Oscillation Stromberg Carlson 1121PL Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:34:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-ID: Lines: 94 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.56.6.144 X-Trace: sv3-liGYsnS1ra8yadZvqkivDDG7PBXLJ26NnUeF9Bg8un/RNQOPNE2lSHroUO+5tbc8I3CXdow+FYUk6e/!N5XnMwN/xNk/c27DLEYAZ8YEVc3cOUDBtiGhljxPyvAxGeHAnvp5IpYT3uSr/NSbtnLF//Uv4nM0!2qEvtVXIqA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:338218 Yes new 6SC7 no change. I got it to stop oscillating by putting .022uF caps on both 6V6 screens where the plate load resistors for the 6SC7 connect to B+. But since it is a chassis only that I am putting in a 'Frankenradio' cabinet that I am building I went ahead and converted the phase inverter to a 'long tailed pair'. Stable as a rock and distortion is much less. Later SCs made many changes mostly in the decoupling, filtering area. Here is a link to a schematic of the modified audio section. http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud/SC1121PLAudioMod.JPG "Oldradiodan" wrote in message news:1153927614.337211.73300@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Oldradiodan wrote: >> TerryJ wrote: >> > This is a chassis that is being refurbished to put in a 'Frankenradio' >> > that >> > I building. >> > >> > Schematic snippet is from a Stromberg Carlson 1121PL from 1946. >> > http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud/PhaseInverterModn.JPG >> > The diagram on the right is my attempt to 'simplify' the schematic. A >> > complete schematic is here. >> > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/292/M0021292.pdf >> > >> > The circuit oscillates at around 150kHz without the added 250pF cap >> > from the >> > speaker connection to the cathode of the 6SC7. All resistors are within >> > 5%and caps have been replaced and tubes substituted. I even subbed 6F6s >> > for >> > the original 6V6s. >> > The power supply originally was a cap input design with 340v and 230v >> > outputs and used big shunt resistors to stabilize the voltage when a >> > wire >> > recorder was not connected. I changed it to a choke input to reduce the >> > heat >> > in the radio. The change made no difference in the oscillation problem >> > but >> > did reduce maximum output since plate voltage dropped to 270V on the >> > 6V6s. >> > >> > It is completely stable with the added 250pF cap. Even at full volume I >> > see >> > no oscillation bursts in the waveform. Without the cap there is a >> > constant >> > high frequency signal on G1. The original symptom was distorted audio >> > using >> > the original speaker. Before I determined that it was oscillating it >> > melted >> > the voice coil destroying the speaker. I subbed a PM speaker in a >> > proper >> > enclosure and sound now is remarkably good for a 60 year old radio. I >> > don't >> > think SC would sell a design that was inherently unstable... or would >> > they? >> > >> > It appears that the signal is coupled from triode 2 to 1 via the >> > cathode >> > resistor AC drop. The 68K resistor in the grid of triode 1 provides >> > feedback >> > to keep the output signals equal...? There is also feedback from the >> > plate >> > of the output tube V1 to the plate of inverter tube triode 2 through >> > the >> > 1.5meg resistor. >> > >> > The wire recorder must have had its own amp. The connector appears to >> > have >> > only B+ , 6.3V AC and audio. The radio had a 5U4 originally. Since the >> > recorder was not available (perhaps never?) I put in a 5V4 when it was >> > converted to choke input. The whole chassis is a lot cooler and works >> > great. >> > It just bugs me that I had to 'modify' the audio section to make it >> > work. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Kind regards, >> > Terry Judkins >> > http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud >> > What if one day we all find out that the Hokey Pokey really IS what >> > it's all >> > about?! > > Terry, > Have you tried another 6SC7 tube? I had one of these chassis for > many years and it was a very good performer. Did you check the resistor > values in the amp section? Lead dress might have been disturbed during > repairs? Just a few thoughts. > > Regards, > Dan > Article: 338219 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: philco 37-116 siting on TV Date: 26 Jul 2006 19:34:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1153967656.142056.157930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> I was flipping through the channels and came across a biography of the Hershey magnate. Think his name was Milton. First time I saw the console was in vintage B+W footage of him in his study. I flicked around and came back and there it was again! this time it was on display in his home which is apparently on a tourist attraction now. It was TLC or biography. I can't remember which. Cool to see this fine radio in actual use. This man could have afforded anything and he chose the 37-116. I wonder if the radio on display is his actual radio. Article: 338220 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Oscillation Stromberg Carlson 1121PL Date: 26 Jul 2006 19:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1153967722.495718.78050@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: Don't feel bad, Terry. I have run across a couple of sets from 'lesser' manufacturers that have clangers in them. If the circuit is poorly engineered, as this one appears to be since they made drastic changes on later models [if I read you correctly], I am not against correcting the circuit. I have a Silvertone-Precision [yes, it is from Sears] where the factory [RME??] made some kluged up mods, but the circuit still did not work properly. I made an 'update' to modern practise and now it works very well. Also, a Minerva "Tropicmaster" needed some work on decoupling points to clear up instability issues. Neil S. TerryJ wrote: > Yes new 6SC7 no change. I got it to stop oscillating by putting .022uF caps > on both 6V6 screens where the plate load resistors for the 6SC7 connect to > B+. But since it is a chassis only that I am putting in a 'Frankenradio' > cabinet that I am building I went ahead and converted the phase inverter to > a 'long tailed pair'. Stable as a rock and distortion is much less. Later > SCs made many changes mostly in the decoupling, filtering area. Here is a > link to a schematic of the modified audio section. > http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud/SC1121PLAudioMod.JPG > > "Oldradiodan" wrote in message > news:1153927614.337211.73300@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > > > Oldradiodan wrote: > >> TerryJ wrote: > >> > This is a chassis that is being refurbished to put in a 'Frankenradio' > >> > that > >> > I building. > >> > > >> > Schematic snippet is from a Stromberg Carlson 1121PL from 1946. > >> > http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud/PhaseInverterModn.JPG > >> > The diagram on the right is my attempt to 'simplify' the schematic. A > >> > complete schematic is here. > >> > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/292/M0021292.pdf > >> > > >> > The circuit oscillates at around 150kHz without the added 250pF cap > >> > from the > >> > speaker connection to the cathode of the 6SC7. All resistors are within > >> > 5%and caps have been replaced and tubes substituted. I even subbed 6F6s > >> > for > >> > the original 6V6s. > >> > The power supply originally was a cap input design with 340v and 230v > >> > outputs and used big shunt resistors to stabilize the voltage when a > >> > wire > >> > recorder was not connected. I changed it to a choke input to reduce the > >> > heat > >> > in the radio. The change made no difference in the oscillation problem > >> > but > >> > did reduce maximum output since plate voltage dropped to 270V on the > >> > 6V6s. > >> > > >> > It is completely stable with the added 250pF cap. Even at full volume I > >> > see > >> > no oscillation bursts in the waveform. Without the cap there is a > >> > constant > >> > high frequency signal on G1. The original symptom was distorted audio > >> > using > >> > the original speaker. Before I determined that it was oscillating it > >> > melted > >> > the voice coil destroying the speaker. I subbed a PM speaker in a > >> > proper > >> > enclosure and sound now is remarkably good for a 60 year old radio. I > >> > don't > >> > think SC would sell a design that was inherently unstable... or would > >> > they? > >> > > >> > It appears that the signal is coupled from triode 2 to 1 via the > >> > cathode > >> > resistor AC drop. The 68K resistor in the grid of triode 1 provides > >> > feedback > >> > to keep the output signals equal...? There is also feedback from the > >> > plate > >> > of the output tube V1 to the plate of inverter tube triode 2 through > >> > the > >> > 1.5meg resistor. > >> > > >> > The wire recorder must have had its own amp. The connector appears to > >> > have > >> > only B+ , 6.3V AC and audio. The radio had a 5U4 originally. Since the > >> > recorder was not available (perhaps never?) I put in a 5V4 when it was > >> > converted to choke input. The whole chassis is a lot cooler and works > >> > great. > >> > It just bugs me that I had to 'modify' the audio section to make it > >> > work. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Kind regards, > >> > Terry Judkins > >> > http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud > >> > What if one day we all find out that the Hokey Pokey really IS what > >> > it's all > >> > about?! > > > > Terry, > > Have you tried another 6SC7 tube? I had one of these chassis for > > many years and it was a very good performer. Did you check the resistor > > values in the amp section? Lead dress might have been disturbed during > > repairs? Just a few thoughts. > > > > Regards, > > Dan > > Article: 338221 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Engineer" Subject: Re: WTD: owners manual for B&K 1466 o'scope Date: 26 Jul 2006 19:39:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1153967986.918388.38160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153849629.971435.96040@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> AuroraOldRadios wrote: > $10 at goodwill. Looks like it works and should be adequate for my > modest needs. Not found on bama. I may have a B&K 1470 manual around. If it is similar I could copy a few pages for you. Cheers, Roger Article: 338222 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 26 Jul 2006 19:40:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1153968001.907681.296940@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153885406.163814.17130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Ken G. wrote: > How much do you want? > > 15$ Send pix and detailsd, along with shipping costs. Dave says it will work. Article: 338223 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <1153849629.971435.96040@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1153967986.918388.38160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WTD: owners manual for B&K 1466 o'scope Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:51:43 -0400 Message-ID: <44c82a3c$0$2922$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Engineer" wrote in message news:1153967986.918388.38160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > AuroraOldRadios wrote: >> $10 at goodwill. Looks like it works and should be adequate for my >> modest needs. Not found on bama. > > I may have a B&K 1470 manual around. If it is similar I could copy a > few pages for you. > Cheers, > Roger > Could try "the manual man" or W7FG. They sell all sorts of manuals. ALSO, try A. G. TANNENBAUM - in PA. Have ya tried writing to the company? Maybe not as much help anymore - but often can be a good start. Lou Article: 338224 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Should I go get a free Philco console radio? Date: 26 Jul 2006 20:06:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153969594.097836.39040@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153962875.020400.111590@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> robert casey wrote: > wizzzer@hotmail.com wrote: > > > I have a chance to go get one for free. It needs some repair. It's a > > 1935 model. ... From what the guy says, it sounds like I > > might only have to replace the power cord and grill cloth. Do you guys > > think I should jump on this? > > > You should replace each and every wax paper cap, and the electrolytic > caps too. Do each one at a time. Do not pass go do not collect 200.00 and do not gawk at the working girls on 42nd St. Do go check it out. Article: 338225 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: WOW! Date: 26 Jul 2006 20:09:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1153969790.057851.191190@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Syl wrote: > "Ken" wrote in message > news:zPMxg.3140$5H.1507@dukeread06... > > This guy must have been a 'real sport'. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250009555784 > > Wow allright ! > > Syl That guy's got some neat toys Article: 338226 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1153962875.020400.111590@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1zUxg.554$0e5.252@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Should I go get a free Philco console radio? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:14:15 -0700 Message-ID: > You should replace each and every wax paper cap, and the electrolytic caps > too. Do each one at a time. This article has more information about replacing capacitors. http://antiqueradio.org/recap.htm Once you know the model number of this radio (see http://antiqueradio.org/identify.htm ), you can look for a free schematic at Nostalgia Air. Go to this URL: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/ Then click on Resources and look up your model number under the Philco section. If you hit a snag or have more questions, people in this group can advise. Have fun, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 338227 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: WOW! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:32:51 GMT The guy on Antiques Roadshow said a Trophy Baseball radio was worth $1,000.00 just a few months ago... As far as I know this was the first radio to be featured on the show. Ron -- Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com WANTED! http://radioheaven.homestead.com/grknob.html Hard to find 2 pin mic connectors for BA rigs. http://radioheaven.homestead.com/2pinmicplug.html Article: 338228 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Is there any antique radio stuff in the Santa Clara/San Jose area? Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:01:40 -0000 Message-ID: References: <1153751111.992395.87500@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Thanks to everyone who replied, both in this group and by email. I printed all the suggestions and will take them along. My son also stored them on his laptop so we also have live links (the motel has free internet access!). There should be more to do than there is time to do it in. The California Historical Society swap meet sounds like a "must see" however. Thanks again, siliconvalleyEE@gmail.com wrote in news:1153751111.992395.87500@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > For surplus stores, junk...check out the link...descriptions are right > on the money... > http://www.bluefeathertech.com/technoid/calswapindex.html > For antique radios: > http://www.californiahistoricalradio.com/ > > Hope this helps... > siliconvalley_ee > ========================================================= > > Jim Mueller wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I will be traveling to the Santa Clara/San Jose, California area >> soon. Are there any antique radio/electronics things to see or do >> there? I have a tourist guide; I'm looking for the kind of stuff >> that the "locals" know about, things like museums, swap meets, >> electronic surplus or "junk" stores, or anything like that. Places >> as far away as San Francisco or Oakland should be possible to visit. >> I am planning to go to the railroad museum in Sacramento so that is >> also possible. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com >> >> To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then >> replace nospam with sacbeemail. > -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 338229 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" References: Subject: Re: Philco 41-605 Message-ID: <4ZZxg.5952$157.5085@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:31:12 GMT I don't know Gary but there are some people on the list that do IMPECCABLY GOOD work at a very fair price! Omer "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:WXKxg.11347$yN3.5255@trnddc04... > Thanks for the tip. Although I generally prefer to do business with > people on this list, in this case I may just wrap up the complete changer > and send it off to be rebuilt. About the only thing I've done so far is > bring it home, and hit it with an air compressor to blow away years of > dust and grime, but that's about it. I noticed a couple of broken parts, > looks like some semi-circular pot metal pieces -- so I'm in store for some > mechanical fun and frolic if I tinker with it myself, so I'll pass. > > By the way, I had the radio playing this morning. Just needs a recap and > dial string -- and yes, there is indeed some rubber wiring in there, and > even though it's in remarkably good shape it's still coming out. > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > "Dave McClellan" wrote in message > news:E7Jxg.1$db.0@fe03.lga... >> West-Tech Services does idlers, as well as cartridges, stylii, and >> possibly >> other phono related items. Excellent service. >> >> http://www.west-techservices.com/index.htm >> >> Dave >> >> "Gary Tayman" wrote in message >> news:SJtxg.9983$6G3.7477@trnddc05... >>> Oh, the things I get roped into . . . >>> >>> I received a phone call from a furniture refinisher nearby. Somebody >>> brought him a console radio that's a family heirloom. Actually it's a >>> beautiful cabinet; one I wouldn't mind having myself. He wants the >>> radio >>> totally restored. >>> >>> So, after taking a look, I brought home the chassis, speaker, and >> turntable. >>> Yes, it looks like I'll be delving into a "home" radio! The chassis >>> actually doesn't look bad -- very simple; a recap, new dial string, bada >>> bing! The turntable -- well, if anyone wants to chime in, I'm welcome >>> for >>> suggestions. I know Syl can rebuild the cartridge, but who does rubber >>> idlers. I know Bill Turner used to, but didn't he just hand it to >>> someone >>> else? Also, the dial cover is torn, so whoever is doing these, please >> speak >>> up. The platter also needs flocking -- and Mark, do you have a >>> pushbutton >>> that says "12"? >>> >>> Before the refinisher begins stripping, he wants to ensure he can get >>> decals. I've got a partially-used decal sheet, with only the smaller >>> "PHILCO" on it -- I can be safe in assuming one of the larger ones is >>> correct. On the radio, I can read what appears to be "B'DC'ST" and "SW" >> on >>> the center knob, and possibly "TUNING" on the third. I would assume the >>> first is either "ON-OFF VOLUME" or just "VOLUME" but if someone can >>> verify >>> that I'd be grateful. More than likely the decal sheet offered by AES >> will >>> have all of this. Also the grill cloth has a diamond pattern. Maybe, >>> the >>> top left pattern on page 58 of the AES catalog is correct if turned 90 >>> degrees -- again, can someone verify? >>> >>> I can certainly do the chassis. However everything else may need help >> from >>> the rest of you. Basically what I want is to check availability and >>> price >>> before digging into this project, so I'll take all the responses I can >> get. >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >>> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >>> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >>> >>> >> >> > > Article: 338230 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: philco 37-116 siting on TV Date: 27 Jul 2006 05:29:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1154003340.462408.221660@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153967656.142056.157930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Eddie Brimer wrote: > I was flipping through the channels and came across a biography of the > Hershey magnate. Think his name was Milton. First time I saw the > console was in vintage B+W footage of him in his study. I flicked > around and came back and there it was again! this time it was on > display in his home which is apparently on a tourist attraction now. It > was TLC or biography. I can't remember which. Cool to see this fine > radio in actual use. This man could have afforded anything and he chose > the 37-116. I wonder if the radio on display is his actual radio. should be "sighting". forgive me. had knee surgery and i am heavily sedated. Article: 338231 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 27 Jul 2006 05:38:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1154003914.125490.273470@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > Probably Morse. VERY early on, yes. Morse. But voice from the late 20s onward. Certainly all WW-II radio-equipped aircraft were voice. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 338232 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Should I go get a free Philco console radio? Date: 27 Jul 2006 05:50:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1154004633.297966.155400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153962875.020400.111590@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> You'd be a fool not to. The issues of this set sound normal, and definatly needs some TLC, but for the price what have you got to lose? Grill cloth, power cords, and knobs can all be purchased as reproductions, and good ones at that. wizzzer@hotmail.com wrote: > I have a chance to go get one for free. It needs some repair. It's a > 1935 model. The cabinet looks fine but it's not as fancy as some others > I've seen on the web. It has AM and SW. I never had a shortwave radio > before. What can you hear on that? In the past I've learned a little > basic electronics and I've put together a few circuits using other > people's plans. I know where I can download a lot of vintage > electronics repair books. From what the guy says, it sounds like I > might only have to replace the power cord and grill cloth. Do you guys > think I should jump on this? Article: 338233 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: FA: not mine Philco 16 code 125 version near Rochester, NY From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <3pGdnYutjfezPFrZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:15:55 GMT In article <3pGdnYutjfezPFrZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>, moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > > 110013668927 > > >Mark Oppat > I hope whoever wins this auction knows to remove the screws holding the 4 lightbulbs bwfore shipping ... or hauling it... otherwise a good chance that potmetal bracket will sheer off and be a problem to fix.... two sheet metal screws and remove it for shipping is much better than having to fix it later! John k9uwa Article: 338234 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Cheap Philco 70 Date: 27 Jul 2006 06:22:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1154006576.465349.279840@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Somebody got a good deal on this classic cathedral. http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=2101785 Article: 338235 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: philco 37-116 siting on TV References: <1153967656.142056.157930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1154003340.462408.221660@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:30:09 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > should be "sighting". forgive me. had knee surgery and i am heavily > sedated. "Martha, what's that on the tele?" "Oooh, it looks like a penguin to me!" Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 338236 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: <1153962875.020400.111590@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Should I go get a free Philco console radio? Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:17:42 -0700 Message-ID: <44c8cb08$0$34563$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> You're asking THIS group if you should get a radio?! Silly question. ;-) Of course you should! Steve Article: 338237 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: philco 37-116 siting on TV Date: 27 Jul 2006 08:20:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1154013637.198222.30990@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153967656.142056.157930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Eddie Brimer wrote: > should be "sighting". forgive me. had knee surgery and i am heavily > sedated. Oh, I thought you had misspelled "sitting", and I thought, a 37-116 sitting on a TV? Must be a big TV, and it would look weird regardless. Tox Article: 338238 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: philco 37-116 siting on TV Date: 27 Jul 2006 08:55:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1154015750.361129.81450@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153967656.142056.157930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> toxcrusadr wrote: > Eddie Brimer wrote: > > > should be "sighting". forgive me. had knee surgery and i am heavily > > sedated. > > Oh, I thought you had misspelled "sitting", and I thought, a 37-116 > sitting on a TV? Must be a big TV, and it would look weird regardless. > > Tox and people take this stuff for fun???? i could barely function. Article: 338239 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: philco 37-116 siting on TV Date: 27 Jul 2006 09:59:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1154019585.427726.195330@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153967656.142056.157930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Eddie Brimer wrote: > toxcrusadr wrote: > > Eddie Brimer wrote: > > > > > should be "sighting". forgive me. had knee surgery and i am heavily > > > sedated. > > > > Oh, I thought you had misspelled "sitting", and I thought, a 37-116 > > sitting on a TV? Must be a big TV, and it would look weird regardless. > > > > Tox > > and people take this stuff for fun???? i could barely function. Well, nothing broke or fell off...I guess keep on truckin' Eddie Article: 338240 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: Subject: Re: WOW! Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: Well, I paid a lot less than that!! I don't put much stock in book prices, but for the record, Slusser values it at $690-$800 and Stein at $750+, so by those sketchy guesstimates, the winning bid was not unreasonable for a nice one. Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 338241 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1154006576.465349.279840@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Cheap Philco 70 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:21:19 -0700 Message-ID: Sheesh, I guess they get more high-class donations in OR than in WA. In the Goodwills around here, the only tube radio would be a junky plastic clock radio -- on a lucky day. Hope it survives the shipping. That's a heavy cathedral and might bust the cabinet unless you remove the chassis and ship separately. Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 338242 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <3pGdnYutjfezPFrZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: FA: not mine Philco 16 code 125 version near Rochester, NY Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:42:00 -0400 Message-ID: Worth a note to the seller, John. I didnt even think of that. I often send helpful notes to sellers. Like the 37-116 console... that chassis is secured only by one tiny screw usually. I dont recall if the set had shipping screws or what, but I can tell you I have seen several of those sets beat to hell by that screw busting off and the chassis flying around in the cabinet! some radios, like AK55,60, 70 series, dont even have any chassis bolts at ALL! AK speakers too, hung from hooks. The radio was just set inside by the dealer in the customer's home. Mark Oppat "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:f03yg.99859$1i1.86025@attbi_s72... > In article <3pGdnYutjfezPFrZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>, > moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > > > > > 110013668927 > > > > > >Mark Oppat > > > > I hope whoever wins this auction knows to remove the screws holding > the 4 lightbulbs bwfore shipping ... or hauling it... otherwise > a good chance that potmetal bracket will sheer off and be a problem > to fix.... two sheet metal screws and remove it for shipping is much > better than having to fix it later! > > John k9uwa > > Article: 338243 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: WOW! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:04:55 -0400 "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:cY-dnZvnpdBQaVXZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@giganews.com... > Well, I paid a lot less than that!! > > I don't put much stock in book prices, but for the record, Slusser values > it at $690-$800 and Stein at $750+, so by those sketchy guesstimates, the > winning bid was not unreasonable for a nice one. > > Stein's values are based on average as-found radios... This one has had the electronincs restored which add somewhat to the merchandability of the item. I would have paid that much if I had the money. Considering this is the first time in 6 years that I see this radio model in such a great condition. Cardboard doesn't age well, you know that...The fact you may have bought yours for a penny, doesn't mean much on somebody else's will to acquire one in this condition. Would you be ready to pay 300-400$ for a plastic phono from the 50ies ? I was and so were a few others too that day. I guess if I was the only one bidding I may have had it for peanuts, but with eBay and reference books out there, it isn't the case anymore. Adn some models don't show that often, even on eBay. And the fact I paid that much for a plastic phono doesn't mean much either on the "real" value...Only what a few crazy nuts were willing to pay that day... And the following ones. Besides, we are still far from the Catalin's craze...Which has no basis whatsoever for commanding such high prices other than one artificially maintained market value by some high profile Catalin dealers. It's all about money... Syl Article: 338244 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: donlk@webtv.net (Gridleak) Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:10:13 -0600 Message-ID: <17220-44C90185-1937@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153952283.300964.3230@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Pilots of early aircraft used morse code. They had a key clamped to their leg. Hard to imagine how they did it but I have comunicated with hams using code that were mobile in their cars/motor homes. DON AC7PD Article: 338245 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: Cheap Philco 70 Date: 27 Jul 2006 11:52:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1154026330.573208.90060@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1154006576.465349.279840@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Phil Nelson wrote: > Sheesh, I guess they get more high-class donations in OR than in WA. In the > Goodwills around here, the only tube radio would be a junky plastic clock > radio -- on a lucky day. Yeah. Seriously. At