Article: 340129 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Engineer" Subject: As advertized ! Date: 19 Aug 2006 10:58:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1156010339.209509.280500@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Modified just a little" !!! http://cgi.ebay.ca/BEAUTIFUL-FA-11-WESTINGHOUSE-30-S-RADIO-WORKING_W0QQitemZ150021776843QQihZ005QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Not mine, I assure you! Cheers, Roger Article: 340130 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: HOW ARE THE DIAL COVERS GOING? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: <6081-44E75148-158@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: www.dialcover.com What's the problem? Always works A OK for me. cuhulin Article: 340131 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: I pinged it, it panned it Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:56:01 -0500 Message-ID: <6082-44E750B1-26@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: IIIIIII painter herrr,,,,,, IIIIIII painted herrrrrrr,,,,,,,, up the hickory and down the pine,,,, her little britches are split behind,,,,,,,,, IIIIIIII painted herrrrr,,,,,,,,, cuhulin Article: 340132 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: As advertized ! References: <1156010339.209509.280500@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:10:14 -0400 He just doesn't get it!!! Clueless. Ken Engineer wrote: > "Modified just a little" !!! > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/BEAUTIFUL-FA-11-WESTINGHOUSE-30-S-RADIO-WORKING_W0QQitemZ150021776843QQihZ005QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Not mine, I assure you! > Cheers, > Roger > Article: 340133 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: 19 Aug 2006 18:16:40 GMT Message-ID: References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "jim menning" (jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com) writes: > They are often referred to as a forerunner to the superadio, but that's probably just > because they were GE products that were sensitive, selective, and had a good audio > amp and large speaker. I don't think the "superadio" marketing concept was thought > of when the high-performance P780s were released some 20 years earlier. > And of course the actual "Superradios" were in relation to the common portables that came later. There isn't that much super about them, beyond maybe an extra stage and that better speaker, but at least they were better than most when they came along, transistor portables devolving to cheap and just enough design to get the local stations. I suspect in the early days of transistors (problems of design due to unfamiliarity with transistors aside), they tended to be better radios simply because they weren't seen as disposable. If you were paying a significant amount of money for one, you'd expect decent performance. I look at that early Sony that I found in the garbage outside a repair place a few years back, and it has a metal chassis, a big speaker, and it's heavy. You don't get that for peanuts, and they aren't likely to have put money into all that without concern for performance. Michael Article: 340134 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Mills" References: <44ednQtVHNHxM3nZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@trueband.net> Subject: Re: Stromberg dial scale help needed Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:41:46 -0400 Message-ID: Thanks Ken! I emailed the web owner about getting a copy. Tom > One of these? > http://images.google.com/images?q=Stromberg+Carlson+430M+&hl=en > > Ken D. > >> I'm looking for a Stromberg Carlson 430M dial scale scan. I have one >> that >> the glass is broken and one half missing. I could post a picture on >> binaries if needed? Any help will be greatly appreciated. >> -- >> Tom Mills >> >> > > Article: 340135 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: No Radios @ the Flea... Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:36:57 -0400 Message-ID: <12eeq2rh3re8990@corp.supernews.com> ...but I got 4 of these, 3 of which work. They came in a carton dated 1944 and marked clearly "DOD Blackout Bulbs" with contract numbers etc. from Sparks Worthington, not GE though this GE bulb box is inside- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230018096749&fromMakeTrack=true Also I got a pair of these batteries in better shape for my wood wall phone- http://cgi.ebay.com/WESTERN-ELECTRIC-BLUE-BELL-BATTERY-FOR-PHONE-SERVICE_W0QQitemZ300016686050 John H. Article: 340136 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1156002542.915102.325860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Realistic: Phonograph needle replacement? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:43:04 -0700 Message-ID: Have you searched the RatShack site? Article: 340137 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com... > Do I detect a note of sarcasm? Fine then- the Commander's brainwashing > has endured nearly a century. Never have so many coveted so little so > much. Commander, schomander. If I wanted to listen to Yurgi Ivanovich broadcasting >from a spark transmitter in Outer Elbonia I'd do it right and go buy a Collins instead of thinking that a walnut refrigerator with an extra IF stage is going to get me there. I don't listen to my radios all the time but my wife and I have to look at the dumb things every single day, and given that I'd damn well better like the view. Every radio I own picks up WTMJ and my two-tube transmitter just fine. :-D All kidding (?) aside I make a poor excuse for a Zenith evangelist. I happen to like some of the cabinets' styling (not necessarily the dials) but I don't go out of my way or budget to buy them; like everything else I own they got here because they just happened to land at the intersection of opportunity, value and potential enjoyment so religious arguments just kind of strike me as silly. I buy what I like. (OT - IMO those blackout bulbs are cool. Nice find. :) -p. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 340138 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: HOW ARE THE DIAL COVERS GOING? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:00:23 -0500 Message-ID: <9464-44E77BE7-235@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1155883645.642649.161200@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> y'all might not know it (excuse me while I blush) but there are some wild webtvers out there.I have seen them before. cuhulin Article: 340139 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1155883645.642649.161200@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <9464-44E77BE7-235@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: HOW ARE THE DIAL COVERS GOING? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:45:12 GMT wrote in message > while I blush) but there are some > wild webtvers out there.I have seen them before. > I can't imagine why. Ron Article: 340140 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" Subject: Recap trouble Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:52:26 GMT I'm recapping a Marelli from the 1937, there is a paper cap, a sort of doorknob, 4uF and it's located between ground and the oscillator group. Looking at the schematic i was thinking it's a 1uF until i read the label.. 4uF! The cap shows a resistance of 0.5Mohms to ground, 0.7Mohms from ground.Should i replace it?? This is a paper cap so the ESR meter results may not be correct (even if it says is good). I've no paper caps of that 'size', may i replace it with an electrolityc, or, is there a value that i can place with not damage? (Any opinion about using that kid of doorknob is welcome, i'm still trying to understand why a so big cap there...) Picture here: http://WWW.JUNKRADIOS.COM/PUBLIC/RF_ALCOR.GIF Thanks, -- Daniele http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 340141 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: Subject: Re: Recap trouble Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:55:21 GMT ....forgot to mention... i have another ESR meter for sale i bought some for better pricing. Ask for images/data. -- Daniele http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 340142 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:06:55 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1155993907.332178.182200@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> -- Say no to institutionalized interference. Just say NO to HD/IBOC! "jim menning" wrote in message news:ubJFg.39522$Nt2.15700@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "RadioGary" wrote in message > news:1155993907.332178.182200@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >> >> The owner informed me also he has an AC supply for this set he'll give >> me as well. That could be a good thing considering six D cells cannot >> last forever. :) >> >> > > From: > http://www.radiolabs.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=64&sid=1ff42ca24521d48d42a4d0d79fb8733a > > "The GE P780 series of the late 50's to early 60's is THE best sounding > portable I have heard. It's developed a special following. On 6 D cells of > the late 50's it had a battery life between 500 and 750 hours." And those were only carbon-zinc cells.... Article: 340143 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "flashbk13" Subject: Re: crt tester advice Date: 19 Aug 2006 15:28:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1156026491.654200.85180@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1155813746.926998.48790@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Thanks Scott for the info., Rick. Article: 340144 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? Date: 19 Aug 2006 15:29:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Here you go. http://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-RARE-1930-s-Zenith-5-R-226A-childs-console-radio_W0QQitemZ270020287712QQihZ017QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I saw this set at a Hamfest in the Chicago area which went for alot less. I'm just wondering if the seller is out of his mind or what? And in this condition? Yeek!! Article: 340145 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Recap trouble References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:04:34 -0400 I've always seen large caps there, for osc stability I assume. Ken Daniele wrote: > I'm recapping a Marelli from the 1937, > there is a paper cap, a sort of doorknob, > 4uF and it's located between ground and the > oscillator group. Looking at the schematic > i was thinking it's a 1uF until i read the label.. 4uF! > The cap shows a resistance of 0.5Mohms to ground, > 0.7Mohms from ground.Should i replace it?? > This is a paper cap so the ESR meter results may not be > correct (even if it says is good). > I've no paper caps of that 'size', may i replace it > with an electrolityc, or, is there a value that i can place > with not damage? > (Any opinion about using that kid of doorknob is welcome, > i'm still trying to understand why a so big cap there...) > Picture here: > http://WWW.JUNKRADIOS.COM/PUBLIC/RF_ALCOR.GIF > Thanks, > Article: 340146 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:05:48 -0400 Another clueless seller. Ken RadioGary wrote: > Here you go. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-RARE-1930-s-Zenith-5-R-226A-childs-console-radio_W0QQitemZ270020287712QQihZ017QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > I saw this set at a Hamfest in the Chicago area which went for alot > less. I'm just wondering if the seller is out of his mind or what? > And in this condition? Yeek!! > Article: 340147 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? Message-ID: <_4NFg.40604$Nt2.25112@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:24:42 GMT "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Here you go. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-RARE-1930-s-Zenith-5-R-226A-childs-console-radio_W0QQitemZ270020287712QQihZ017QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > I saw this set at a Hamfest in the Chicago area which went for alot > less. I'm just wondering if the seller is out of his mind or what? > And in this condition? Yeek!! > What was the one at the hamfest priced at? It may have been a very good deal. The eBay one looks rough, but it is a very hard to find set. http://www.tubularradio.com/cc.html http://www.oldradiozone.com/z5r226.html jim menning Article: 340148 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: Subject: Re: Recap trouble Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:16:37 GMT "Ken" > I've always seen large caps there, for osc stability I assume. Ken Me too, but usually an 8uF electrolytic or, sometimes, a paper 0.25 uF... i've never seen a 4uF paper here.. that's why i'm waiting a bit before replacing it.. I was also thinking... may be that paper was cheaper that putting an electrolityc? -- Daniele http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 340149 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Realistic: Phonograph needle replacement? Date: 19 Aug 2006 17:23:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1156033398.731769.179260@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1156002542.915102.325860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > Have you searched the RatShack site? If they don't have it, Ed Saunders is another great place to try/ Article: 340150 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Black Dial and bluebird UPDATE Date: 19 Aug 2006 17:26:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1156033611.773127.175680@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153952283.300964.3230@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I got the shipping notice and tracking information today! We'll soon see what shape it's in... Article: 340151 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: No Radios @ the Flea... Date: 19 Aug 2006 17:28:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1156033722.513227.320900@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <12eeq2rh3re8990@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > ...but I got 4 of these, 3 of which work. They came in a carton dated 1944 > and marked clearly "DOD Blackout Bulbs" with contract numbers etc. > from Sparks Worthington, not GE though this GE bulb box is inside- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230018096749&fromMakeTrack=true > > Also I got a pair of these batteries in better shape for my wood wall phone- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/WESTERN-ELECTRIC-BLUE-BELL-BATTERY-FOR-PHONE-SERVICE_W0QQitemZ300016686050 > > John H. Marvelous! But did you get any fleas? Article: 340152 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 19 Aug 2006 17:33:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1156034014.627590.164750@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > "Tim Mullen" wrote in message > news:ec60fd$rpq$1@reader2.panix.com... > > > > > John, how can you tell? I zoomed in on the eye, but couldn't tell > > one way or the other. > > I get it now- WHO KNOWS if it is STILL a 6T5 in there is what you're saying, > and if it is any good if there. I wasn't talking about that though, I'm > giving credit to the designer who used such a cool eye tube. It does > reinforce Peter's point that they were making a real effort on whiz-bang > appearance here. > > I assume everything is bad on a set I realize now. I also have a 6T5 and no > current set in which it came original equipment so I wouldn't worry. > > John H. i know somebody that has a couple of '38 shutterdials........... Article: 340153 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? Date: 19 Aug 2006 17:42:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1156034549.296401.121380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> JM, This was the one at the Hamfest, it's identical in every detail, including missing parts and damage. When I looked at the set the gent selling it had a price tag of seventy five dollars on it. I was tempted, but considering the stuff wrong with it I WIMPED out on it, and now am sorry I did. It sure is a beauty restored. I just bought a cube on Ebay BTW. Only thing missing is one of the wooden feet, so I may be searching for a scavenged set if I persue this project. GB jim menning wrote: > "RadioGary" wrote in message > news:1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > Here you go. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-RARE-1930-s-Zenith-5-R-226A-childs-console-radio_W0QQitemZ270020287712QQihZ017QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > I saw this set at a Hamfest in the Chicago area which went for alot > > less. I'm just wondering if the seller is out of his mind or what? > > And in this condition? Yeek!! > > > > > What was the one at the hamfest priced at? It may have been a very good deal. > > The eBay one looks rough, but it is a very hard to find set. > > http://www.tubularradio.com/cc.html > > http://www.oldradiozone.com/z5r226.html > > jim menning Article: 340154 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Recap trouble Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:49:28 GMT There are a few things I still don't know, like what is the working voltage? Also, is this a power supply? The schematic doesn't show the source or destination. I would think a modern electrolytic or tantalum would be closer to spec than the original cap, even when it was new. What I don't know is what to use for a working voltage, or whether the voltage is always positive or if you need a non-polarized type. But yes, paper is scary, and I would replace it. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Daniele" wrote in message news:uKLFg.75759$zy5.1360747@twister1.libero.it... > I'm recapping a Marelli from the 1937, > there is a paper cap, a sort of doorknob, > 4uF and it's located between ground and the > oscillator group. Looking at the schematic > i was thinking it's a 1uF until i read the label.. 4uF! > The cap shows a resistance of 0.5Mohms to ground, > 0.7Mohms from ground.Should i replace it?? > This is a paper cap so the ESR meter results may not be > correct (even if it says is good). > I've no paper caps of that 'size', may i replace it > with an electrolityc, or, is there a value that i can place > with not damage? > (Any opinion about using that kid of doorknob is welcome, > i'm still trying to understand why a so big cap there...) > Picture here: > http://WWW.JUNKRADIOS.COM/PUBLIC/RF_ALCOR.GIF > Thanks, > > -- > Daniele > http://www.tuberadio.it > > Article: 340155 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? Date: 19 Aug 2006 17:49:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1156034983.095667.100800@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> RadioGary wrote: > JM, > > This was the one at the Hamfest, it's identical in every detail, > including missing parts and damage. When I looked at the set the gent > selling it had a price tag of seventy five dollars on it. I was > tempted, but considering the stuff wrong with it I WIMPED out on it, > and now am sorry I did. It sure is a beauty restored. > > I just bought a cube on Ebay BTW. Only thing missing is one of the > wooden feet, so I may be searching for a scavenged set if I persue this > project. > > GB It would meake sense to ask one of the Zenith "regulars" around here... Put a Wanted (WTB, Trade etc.) thread up if you don't get a response soon. Article: 340156 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 19 Aug 2006 17:54:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1156035241.643264.192490@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Paul Dietenberger wrote: > "Hagstar" wrote in message > news:12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com... > > > Do I detect a note of sarcasm? Fine then- the Commander's brainwashing > > has endured nearly a century. Never have so many coveted so little so > > much. > > Commander, schomander. If I wanted to listen to Yurgi Ivanovich broadcasting > from a spark transmitter in Outer Elbonia I'd do it right and go buy a > Collins instead of thinking that a walnut refrigerator with an extra IF > stage is going to get me there. I don't listen to my radios all the time but > my wife and I have to look at the dumb things every single day, and given > that I'd damn well better like the view. Every radio I own picks up WTMJ and > my two-tube transmitter just fine. The Elbonians are fighting a rare non-Muslim insurgency, perhaps you should see if your setup will find their freedom radio transmissions. > :-D > > All kidding (?) aside I make a poor excuse for a Zenith evangelist. I happen > to like some of the cabinets' styling (not necessarily the dials) but I > don't go out of my way or budget to buy them; like everything else I own > they got here because they just happened to land at the intersection of > opportunity, value and potential enjoyment so religious arguments just kind > of strike me as silly. I buy what I like. > > (OT - IMO those blackout bulbs are cool. Nice find. :) Article: 340157 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 19 Aug 2006 17:56:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1156035374.858070.24080@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Eddie Brimer wrote: > Hagstar wrote: > > "Tim Mullen" wrote in message > > news:ec60fd$rpq$1@reader2.panix.com... > > > > > > > > John, how can you tell? I zoomed in on the eye, but couldn't tell > > > one way or the other. > > > > I get it now- WHO KNOWS if it is STILL a 6T5 in there is what you're saying, > > and if it is any good if there. I wasn't talking about that though, I'm > > giving credit to the designer who used such a cool eye tube. It does > > reinforce Peter's point that they were making a real effort on whiz-bang > > appearance here. > > > > I assume everything is bad on a set I realize now. I also have a 6T5 and no > > current set in which it came original equipment so I wouldn't worry. > > > > John H. > > i know somebody that has a couple of '38 shutterdials........... That beats colored contact lenses. Article: 340158 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1155993907.332178.182200@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:16:54 -0700 Message-ID: >> The GE P780 series of the late 50's to early 60's is THE >> best-sounding portable I have heard. It's developed a >> special following. On 6 D cells of the late 50's it had >> a battery life between 500 and 750 hours. > And those were only carbon-zinc cells... Back in the '50s, Popular Science ran a construction article for a home-brew transistor radio that ran on 6 D cells, with a claimed battery life of 500 to 1000 hours. Article: 340159 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "PTurney" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 19 Aug 2006 18:17:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1156036663.697376.40890@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > "Peter Wieck" wrote in message > news:1155905116.473450.111830@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > You must be getting grumpy in your old age... > > Wrong. A fifteen tube radio should have a 2nd IF stage. It could have THREE > with that many tubes, easily. My 9 tube including eye Stromberg 140L has 2 > IF stages, so does the 10 tube Am. Bosch 595, 11 tube Philco 116- shall I go > on? This is a nine tube set with a big audio/power section. > > John H. Hi John, I've always felt that Zenith padded out their tube count. Even many of their 6-tubers are really no more than 5, since they often used a 6H6 and 6F5G or 6J5G when a single 6Q7G could have been used - and was in many other manufacturer's 5-tube sets. See the 6-S-222 as an example http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/207/M0025207.pdf ) Compare that Zenith 15-tube set with a Philco 37-116 (also 15 tubes) and yes, the Zenith booms away with overpowering bass, but otherwise there's no comparison. Paul Article: 340160 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: 19 Aug 2006 18:26:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1156037205.962631.85210@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Michael Black wrote: > "jim menning" (jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com) writes: > > > They are often referred to as a forerunner to the superadio, but that's probably just > > because they were GE products that were sensitive, selective, and had a good audio > > amp and large speaker. I don't think the "superadio" marketing concept was thought > > of when the high-performance P780s were released some 20 years earlier. > > > And of course the actual "Superradios" were in relation to the common > portables that came later. There isn't that much super about them, beyond > maybe an extra stage and that better speaker, but at least they were > better than most when they came along, transistor portables devolving > to cheap and just enough design to get the local stations. > > I suspect in the early days of transistors (problems of design due > to unfamiliarity with transistors aside), they tended to be better > radios simply because they weren't seen as disposable. If you were > paying a significant amount of money for one, you'd expect decent > performance. > > I look at that early Sony that I found in the garbage outside > a repair place a few years back, and it has a metal chassis, a big > speaker, and it's heavy. You don't get that for peanuts, and they > aren't likely to have put money into all that without concern for > performance. Biggest problem was they were expensive, transistors were horribly so in the earliest days, and so you saved or hoped to get cosmetically flawed, as I understand. This went away after some time, still transistor sets weren't cheap vs. a good tube portable, so they cut here, there to tout them as "pocket radios" and they were neat and sold in the tons but tanked most people's image of what solid state could be. The FCC has finished the quality ruining job by packing the band tightly for 40 years and unless you have a tube set of a really good older stereo receiver or tuner, you may not know what good AM is really like and that it's worthwhile. Article: 340161 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Phipps" Subject: Re: Kansas City Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:26:54 -0500 Message-ID: <12efeiv1mlu350b@corp.supernews.com> References: If you're looking for old radios / electronics around KC you might search the two big weekend swap meets around town... Boulevard Drive In at 10th & Merriam Lane in KCK and 63rd Street Drive In at 63rd & I-435 in KCMO. You never know what will show up in terms of antique electronics. Also the big flea markets at Truman Corners Shopping Center in Grandview and the Brass Armadillo in Blue Springs / Grain Valley have a few nice surprises now and then... Steve P. "OzRadio" wrote in message news:ZX7Fg.16110$o27.9625@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > Are there any places in the Kansas City metro area that sell vintage > electronics and parts? > Ryan > > > --------------= Posted using GrabIt =---------------- > ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =--------- > -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =- > Article: 340162 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156037205.962631.85210@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:34:14 -0700 Message-ID: > The FCC has finished the quality ruining job by packing > the band tightly for 40 years and unless you have a tube > set of a really good older stereo receiver or tuner, you may > not know what good AM is really like and that it's worthwhile. Stereo AM can be awfully good. If you don't know, you might very well think you're listening to stereo FM. Article: 340163 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Cartrivision1" Subject: What decade do you think this console set is from? Date: 19 Aug 2006 19:00:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1156039248.049887.145990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Hi, I put a radio on Ebay this afternoon and wondered if it was in the right category? I listed it in the "1930 - 1949 Tube Radios". At first I thought it might date from the 20's, but then I saw a similar set listed on the completed auctions that was in the 30's - 40's category. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140020763175&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=004 Also, do you think this is worth anything to a collector? Not knowing it's value I started the bidding very low. I noticed some other consoles from that era that still had no bids on them so I don't know what the market is for these kinds of things. I would be more than happy to keep it but I already have a Crosley replica console in my living room and don't need two. thanks, CTV Article: 340164 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:59:22 -0400 Message-ID: Of course, if you want a nice console radio with REAL guts in it, you have to get an upper end Philco, Stromberg-Carlson , RCA or GE... or even a Midwest. Spending bigger money, you'd go McMurdo-Silver or Scott. Even the Wells-Gardner made Airline/Truetone/etc or Colonial made Silvertones will outdo most Zenths I think, tube for tube, in the '36-'42 era allwave sets. Those 11, 13 and 19 tube 1937era Admiral/Camden/etc sets by Consolidated Radio are nice too (big oval dials). Mark Oppat "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > "Hagstar" wrote in message > news:12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com... > > > Do I detect a note of sarcasm? Fine then- the Commander's brainwashing > > has endured nearly a century. Never have so many coveted so little so > > much. > > Commander, schomander. If I wanted to listen to Yurgi Ivanovich broadcasting > from a spark transmitter in Outer Elbonia I'd do it right and go buy a > Collins instead of thinking that a walnut refrigerator with an extra IF > stage is going to get me there. I don't listen to my radios all the time but > my wife and I have to look at the dumb things every single day, and given > that I'd damn well better like the view. Every radio I own picks up WTMJ and > my two-tube transmitter just fine. > > :-D > > All kidding (?) aside I make a poor excuse for a Zenith evangelist. I happen > to like some of the cabinets' styling (not necessarily the dials) but I > don't go out of my way or budget to buy them; like everything else I own > they got here because they just happened to land at the intersection of > opportunity, value and potential enjoyment so religious arguments just kind > of strike me as silly. I buy what I like. > > (OT - IMO those blackout bulbs are cool. Nice find. :) > > -p. > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Article: 340165 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <_4NFg.40604$Nt2.25112@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1156034549.296401.121380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:38:02 GMT "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1156034549.296401.121380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > This was the one at the Hamfest, it's identical in every detail, > including missing parts and damage. When I looked at the set the gent > selling it had a price tag of seventy five dollars on it. I was > tempted, but considering the stuff wrong with it I WIMPED out on it, > and now am sorry I did. It sure is a beauty restored. > I doubt anybody will jump at it with a $500 starting bid, but if the seller relists later at a more realistic starting point, he may do fairly well. I'm curious how you found the auction and posted so quick about it. Do you know the seller? It seems strange that you found the auction and posted about it here, only 13 minutes after it was listed on eBay. Item was listed at 5:16:16 Central time, you posted about it here at 5:29 Central time. Generally newly listed items will not turn up in an eBay search for the first few hours. Sounds like you know the eBay seller and are trying to give him a little free advertising. I hope not. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&since=30&userid=country-lane-antiques&include=0&rows=200&sort=8&completed=1 > I just bought a cube on Ebay BTW. Only thing missing is one of the > wooden feet, so I may be searching for a scavenged set if I persue this > project. > 5R216. They are cute little radios. If you have no luck here, try at the antique radio forum want ads making sure you put the model number in the header line. By the way, I see you're back to checking seller reserves and retracting your bids on eBay again. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=120020505471 Naughty! Funny how you typed in $155 when you meant to type in $88. Your keyboard must have malfunctioned, those numbers aren't even close to each other! ;o) jim menning Article: 340166 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:40:52 GMT In article <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, n9vu@yahoo.com says... > > >Here you go. > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-RARE-1930-s-Zenith-5-R-226A-childs-console-radio_W0Q QitemZ270020287712QQihZ017QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > >I saw this set at a Hamfest in the Chicago area which went for alot >less. I'm just wondering if the seller is out of his mind or what? >And in this condition? Yeek!! > Don't be fooled here... that seller is NOT the unwashed... he knows radios.. sells a fair share of them on ebay... I think the guy is a little nutso .. see previous threads from Hagster and myself and others about How to Sell And Succeed on Ebay Auctions... with his off the wall starting bid.... but yes... the ending bid should be someplace in the area of the start bid.... and Gary... yup you passed up a chance to have a nice rare one at a super price... wouldn't be a big deal to make a new crossbrace for the backside of that cabinet.. dunno is it will get a bid or not at 500 bucks... would most likely hit 500 if he had started it at 50 bucks no reserve... John k9uwa Article: 340167 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Recap trouble From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:53:11 GMT In article , dast@tuberadio.it says... > > >I'm recapping a Marelli from the 1937, >http://WWW.JUNKRADIOS.COM/PUBLIC/RF_ALCOR.GIF >-- > Daniele my guess is that since its 700K above ground at that point and looking at the partial schematic that its the screen grid or as Danielle said... the OSC Grid voltage thats present at this location... 150 volts maybe... I also think that a 4.7 Mfd Electrolitic will work excellent at that location. I have seen several in similar positions like Ken said in US radios.. 10 Mfd and 5 Mfd .. sometimes they in the US radios have a direct in parallel .25 Mfd paper along with the 5 Mfd litic... so yes Danielle think I would put a 5 Mfd Litic in there... and another paper .25 won't hurt and might help.. John k9uwa Article: 340168 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Stromberg dial scale help needed From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44ednQtVHNHxM3nZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@trueband.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:01:37 GMT In article , kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com says... > > >One of these? >http://images.google.com/images?q=Stromberg+Carlson+430M+&hl=en > >Ken D. Am sure that Mike Feldt will be happy to help you out here... boy thats one neat portion of Mike's website!... John k9uwa Article: 340169 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: What decade do you think this console set is from? Date: 19 Aug 2006 20:02:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1156042968.322082.143820@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1156039248.049887.145990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Cartrivision1 wrote: > Hi, I put a radio on Ebay this afternoon and wondered if it was in the > right category? I listed it in the "1930 - 1949 Tube Radios". At > first I thought it might date from the 20's, but then I saw a similar > set listed on the completed auctions that was in the 30's - 40's > category. Here is the link: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140020763175&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=004 > > Also, do you think this is worth anything to a collector? Not knowing > it's value I started the bidding very low. I noticed some other > consoles from that era that still had no bids on them so I don't know > what the market is for these kinds of things. I would be more than > happy to keep it but I already have a Crosley replica console in my > living room and don't need two. > > > thanks, > CTV If it's missing anything, it's probably an 80. Don'tknow why they have it marked 83V. 83V will probably work, however. The radio is 1929/30 or so. Category doesn't matter much. People search different categories with different key words. Why keep a replica when you can have the real thing? Personal preference, I guess. The market will decide who buys it for how much. Personally, I doubt there will be much collector interest. It's a common TRF chassis with push-pull 45 outputs. If the 45s are good, they might be worth more than the rest of the radio. Article: 340170 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: What decade do you think this console set is from? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1156039248.049887.145990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:32:52 GMT In article <1156039248.049887.145990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, doidy1@juno.com says... > > There was one on from Canada a couple of times... but that guy was trying to sell his radio on ebay rather than auctioning it as you are.... one of my books lists a model 54 as 1929 radio... it lists price as around $200 ... ornate carved front 8 tubes ... yours is a nice looking radio and should do well in the auction.. only drawback to console on ebay is shipping them... so expensive that your actual bidding audience is locals and people close enough to drive and pick it up.... or else the price suffers by the amount of the shipping cost.. you CAN add a 2nd category ... 1920's and leave it in the 30's section for about 50 cents added to your listing price... good luck... nice radio... John k9uwa >Hi, I put a radio on Ebay this afternoon and wondered if it was in the >right category? I listed it in the "1930 - 1949 Tube Radios". At >first I thought it might date from the 20's, but then I saw a similar >set listed on the completed auctions that was in the 30's - 40's >category. Here is the link: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140020763175&ssPageNa me=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=004 > >Also, do you think this is worth anything to a collector? Not knowing >it's value I started the bidding very low. I noticed some other >consoles from that era that still had no bids on them so I don't know >what the market is for these kinds of things. I would be more than >happy to keep it but I already have a Crosley replica console in my >living room and don't need two. > > >thanks, >CTV > Article: 340171 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 04:05:01 GMT RadioGary wrote: > Here you go. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-RARE-1930-s-Zenith-5-R-226A-childs-console-radio_W0QQitemZ270020287712QQihZ017QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > I saw this set at a Hamfest in the Chicago area which went for alot > less. I'm just wondering if the seller is out of his mind or what? > And in this condition? Yeek!! > No way in hell it'll get bites with an opening bid like that, I learned long ago to start my auctions at a buck, they go far higher than if I start them at what I'd like to get. That said, I personally probably wouldn't pay more than about a hundred bucks for that thing, so maybe it's super rare, but it's not the most attractive radio I've seen, one could do far better for that sort of money unless they simply want the rarity. Article: 340172 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Crosley 516(radio from hell) From: Paul Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 04:07:49 GMT I think I found the problem I was having with my Crosley 516, after checking the schematic and my wiring after re-capping, and the old caps I took out, I noticed that one of the 2 in one caps i replaced has written on it that ground is at one end , all the others say lug is common, so I think I have things wired wrong with the 11z,y cap. I should have been looking at things more closely when I was re-capping it I guess, anyway I'll let you know how I make out when I correct things, thanks for the help so far! Paul Article: 340173 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "David" Subject: OT XM 40's channel Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:36:12 -0400 Message-ID: Last night I was working on a 50s phono and listening to XM channel that plays 40's music.(The FM modulator is so strong I can pick it up on any FM radio in my house.) Aparantly, this weekend they are playing hit tunes from each year going back to 1930. For the first time ever, I heard the Paul Whiteman version of Smoke Gets In Your Eyes. What a great tune his version is. It goes to show a good tune can play with no vocal or just a vocal refrain. Whoever did the arrangements should have been paid double. That sub tone clarinet is haunting. Now to find the record.. Might be hard. 1933-1934 not too many records were sold... Article: 340174 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? Date: 19 Aug 2006 22:19:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1156051176.584470.295030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> jim menning wrote: > "RadioGary" wrote in message > news:1156034549.296401.121380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > This was the one at the Hamfest, it's identical in every detail, > > including missing parts and damage. When I looked at the set the gent > > selling it had a price tag of seventy five dollars on it. I was > > tempted, but considering the stuff wrong with it I WIMPED out on it, > > and now am sorry I did. It sure is a beauty restored. > > > > I doubt anybody will jump at it with a $500 starting bid, but if the seller relists > later at a more realistic starting point, he may do fairly well. > > I'm curious how you found the auction and posted so quick about it. Do you know the > seller? It seems strange that you found the auction and posted about it here, only > 13 minutes after it was listed on eBay. Item was listed at 5:16:16 Central time, you > posted about it here at 5:29 Central time. Generally newly listed items will not > turn up in an eBay search for the first few hours. Sounds like you know the eBay > seller and are trying to give him a little free advertising. I hope not. > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&since=30&userid=country-lane-antiques&include=0&rows=200&sort=8&completed=1 > > > I just bought a cube on Ebay BTW. Only thing missing is one of the > > wooden feet, so I may be searching for a scavenged set if I persue this > > project. > > > > 5R216. They are cute little radios. If you have no luck here, try at the antique > radio forum want ads making sure you put the model number in the header line. > > By the way, I see you're back to checking seller reserves and retracting your bids on > eBay again. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=120020505471 > Naughty! Funny how you typed in $155 when you meant to type in $88. Your keyboard > must have malfunctioned, those numbers aren't even close to each other! ;o) > > jim menning All the items I ever listed were there PRONTO but 1. Article: 340175 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Crosley 516(radio from hell) Date: 19 Aug 2006 22:21:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1156051311.781786.72050@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: Paul wrote: > Paul wrote in > news:Xns9824E122214B9nospamallnet@24.70.95.211: > > > I think I found the problem I was having with my Crosley 516, after > > checking the schematic and my wiring after re-capping, and the old > > caps I took out, I noticed that one of the 2 in one caps i replaced > > has written on it that ground is at one end , > > all the others say lug is common, so I think I have things wired wrong > > with the 11z,y cap. > > I should have been looking at things more closely when I was > > re-capping it I guess, anyway I'll let you know how I make out when I > > correct things, thanks for the help so far! > > > > Paul > > > > Yippee - it works plays excellent! > I re-wired things right and what do you know it works! > I'll post a picture of it in the other group soon, it is my first time > using toned lacquer I got it right after the 3rd attempt but everything > came together with this radio in the end, cabinet and electronic! > > I'm very happy! > > Paul Excellent! I'm happy for you! On to bigger and fussier things, eh? From wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com Wed Aug 23 20:21:26 EDT 2006 Article: 340176 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: interesting JVC speakers-what vintage ? From: Wayne Boatwright References: <1155645657.997468.257160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1155696024.570023.42080@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1155827509.766644.102110@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/2006.03.14 X-Face: '2=UjhX-y3vfeO94nyru(,e&{Lf^eJ&15S#rcuk:e{unjSRN4yZ69Z'ePMJsPO"6\s'iVZ0OZ>_ NNTP-Posting-Host: $$-dwenldqscyt.newsgate.x-privat.org Date: 20 Aug 2006 07:47:01 +0200 Organization: X-Privat NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org Lines: 14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@x-privat.org Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!81.174.50.156.MISMATCH!redpower.x-privat.org!newsgate.x-privat.org!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:340176 Oh pshaw, on Fri 18 Aug 2006 08:54:07a, GregS meant to say... > After turning out the lights, the orginal picture was much better, but > this does not make it right. > Nor does it make it wrong. Yours was a waste of time. -- Wayne Boatwright __________________________________________________ Brought to you by the anarcho-syndicalist commune. Article: 340177 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jason M" Subject: Bought this Gilfillan, can anyone tell me about it? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 05:58:54 GMT Well, I went and bought the cathedral radio that I saw advertised as a Radiovox and found out it was made by Gilfillan. The tag on the chassis says licensed by Radio Corp of America and manufactured by Gilfillan Bros. It's an AC, 6 tube cathedral radio that says "Radiovox" under the tuning window. Now I'm curious, can anyone tell me more about it? I know I need to find a knob somewhere. The escutcheon says "Radiovox", is that original to this radio? Without me going through every Rider schematic, anyone have an idea what model it is? It looks like it's already had some work done in the past, a capacitor is soldered on the chassis and it has a glass fuse added. I've looked through five or six radio books without seeing a picture of this or a description that matches. Here is a link to a picture I took: http://mysite.verizon.net/resoz4m9/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gilf.jpg Thanks for anything you can tell me. Jason Article: 340178 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:11:14 -0500 Message-ID: <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Yeah Mark, but you're kinda missing the point. Four tube curtain-burner TRFs were some of the worst radios ever built in this country but people still collect them. To appreciate a radio solely for its engineering is to ignore other factors that make people enjoy and collect radios. In other words, you can type till your fingers fall off about the failings of Zenith radios compared to its competitors of the era, but you won't change the minds of those who appreciate the brand. To continue to harp on it tends to end up looking like either jealousy or dickwaving. I'm not sure what's to be gained by disrespecting any radio. It's not your money, what do you care what other people spend it on? -p. "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:zbOdna9kXqpOW3rZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com... > Of course, if you want a nice console radio with REAL guts in it, you have > to get an upper end Philco, Stromberg-Carlson , RCA or GE... or even a > Midwest. Spending bigger money, you'd go McMurdo-Silver or Scott. > Even > the Wells-Gardner made Airline/Truetone/etc or Colonial made Silvertones > will outdo most Zenths I think, tube for tube, in the '36-'42 era allwave > sets. Those 11, 13 and 19 tube 1937era Admiral/Camden/etc sets by > Consolidated Radio are nice too (big oval dials). > > Mark Oppat > > > "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message > news:44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> "Hagstar" wrote in message >> news:12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com... >> >> > Do I detect a note of sarcasm? Fine then- the Commander's brainwashing >> > has endured nearly a century. Never have so many coveted so little so >> > much. >> >> Commander, schomander. If I wanted to listen to Yurgi Ivanovich > broadcasting >> from a spark transmitter in Outer Elbonia I'd do it right and go buy a >> Collins instead of thinking that a walnut refrigerator with an extra IF >> stage is going to get me there. I don't listen to my radios all the time > but >> my wife and I have to look at the dumb things every single day, and given >> that I'd damn well better like the view. Every radio I own picks up WTMJ > and >> my two-tube transmitter just fine. >> >> :-D >> >> All kidding (?) aside I make a poor excuse for a Zenith evangelist. I > happen >> to like some of the cabinets' styling (not necessarily the dials) but I >> don't go out of my way or budget to buy them; like everything else I own >> they got here because they just happened to land at the intersection of >> opportunity, value and potential enjoyment so religious arguments just > kind >> of strike me as silly. I buy what I like. >> >> (OT - IMO those blackout bulbs are cool. Nice find. :) >> >> -p. >> >> >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> >> > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 340179 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? Date: 19 Aug 2006 23:22:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1156054973.241280.141020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Just for the record, NO I am not giving anyone free advertising. If I'd do it, it sure wouldn't be for that particular seller, no offense. As far as the posting versus time on, I cannot explain that. I merely responded as soon as I saw the ad come up. If it seems shorter than usual, hey blame the networking and the amount of Ebay traffic. :) Honestly I have no laison with this seller. Nuff said. Thanks all else for the input. It is a unique little radio. > I'm curious how you found the auction and posted so quick about it. Do you know the > seller? It seems strange that you found the auction and posted about it here, only > 13 minutes after it was listed on eBay. Item was listed at 5:16:16 Central time, you > posted about it here at 5:29 Central time. Generally newly listed items will not > turn up in an eBay search for the first few hours. Sounds like you know the eBay > seller and are trying to give him a little free advertising. I hope not. Article: 340180 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:09:04 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> jim menning wrote: > "RadioGary" wrote in message > news:1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> I've been looking around for this set for awhile. I finally found one >> very reasonable and in good condition at a Hamfest in town. Does >> anyone know more about the set? I heard rumor that this was a very >> early version of the GE Super Radio line of portable sets. Receiver on >> this thing is hot to say the least. Selective as hell, too. I can >> hear AM 700 WLW in Cincinatti with WGN's 50k watt transmitter in my >> back yard. Looks to be made around 1960. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> GB >> > > Very good front end, loud clear audio, and very heavy. Also, very common. I saw at > least a half dozen of these at Bolingbrook this month, I'm really surprised you > didn't spot any there. I myself have sold at least 5 or 6 of these over the last 5 > years. They usually seem to go for $15-30, but I have also seen very optimistic > people go back home with theirs when pricing them any higher. > > They are often referred to as a forerunner to the superadio, but that's probably just > because they were GE products that were sensitive, selective, and had a good audio > amp and large speaker. I don't think the "superadio" marketing concept was thought > of when the high-performance P780s were released some 20 years earlier. The P780 is IMHO one of the ugliest radios ever made (and I like chrome)....BUT it is super hot and the sound quality approaches that of a good tube radio....everyone in the sticks should have one. It was designed to play for 700 hours on batteries that are considerably more mediocre than anything available today. Put alkalines in one now and you could probably play it at low volume for several weeks continuously. It may not be a SuperRadio, but it is a super radio. -Scott Article: 340181 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "k35454" References: Subject: Re: Bought this Gilfillan, can anyone tell me about it? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:27:26 -0700 "Jason M" wrote in message news:ySSFg.8235$RQ5.7254@trnddc03... Well, I went and bought the cathedral radio that I saw advertised as a Radiovox and found out it was made by Gilfillan. The tag on the chassis says licensed by Radio Corp of America and manufactured by Gilfillan Bros. It's an AC, 6 tube cathedral radio that says "Radiovox" under the tuning window. Now I'm curious, can anyone tell me more about it? I know I need to find a knob somewhere. The escutcheon says "Radiovox", is that original to this radio? Without me going through every Rider schematic, anyone have an idea what model it is? It looks like it's already had some work done in the past, a capacitor is soldered on the chassis and it has a glass fuse added. I've looked through five or six radio books without seeing a picture of this or a description that matches. Here is a link to a picture I took: http://mysite.verizon.net/resoz4m9/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gilf.jpg Thanks for anything you can tell me. Jason There was a company in California that made Gilfillan radios. Have you tried Google ? k35454. Article: 340182 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: OT XM 40's channel Message-ID: References: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:48:11 GMT On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:36:12 -0400, "David" wrote: >Last night I was working on a 50s phono and listening to XM channel that >plays 40's music.(The FM modulator is so strong I can pick it up on any FM >radio in my house.) >Aparantly, this weekend they are playing hit tunes from each year going back >to 1930. >For the first time ever, I heard the Paul Whiteman version of Smoke Gets In >Your Eyes. >What a great tune his version is. It goes to show a good tune can play with >no vocal or just a vocal refrain. Whoever did the arrangements should have >been paid double. That sub tone clarinet is haunting. >Now to find the record.. Might be hard. 1933-1934 not too many records were >sold... > The Vocal refrain is by Bob Lawrence. The recording is available on a CD called "Best Loved Bands of All Time" I have an MP3 of that track on my Computer. Finding a 78 might be difficult. Article: 340183 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156037205.962631.85210@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 04:54:33 -0700 Message-ID: >> The FCC has finished the quality ruining job by packing >> the band tightly for 40 years and unless you have a tube >> set of a really good older stereo receiver or tuner, you may >> not know what good AM is really like and that it's worthwhile. I like to "talk up" the tuner that came with my Sony CD Walkman. It's about the size of a pack of chewing gum (5 sticks, not 20), yet it has both AM and stereo FM, auto-programming for 30 stations, and it doubles as the remote control. It is a marvel of miniaturization! Now, its ferrite antenna (!!!) isn't very large (how could it be?), so, regardless of the quality of its front end, it's not going to be highly sensitive in any practical sense. But it uses (I assume) ceramic resonators (or something similar) in the IF strip. That means it could have excellent sensitivity and a wide, flat audio response. Could have. Other than "just listening" (non-stereo AM stations vary widely in their sound quality), any suggestions for deciding just how good it is? This isn't that important; I'm just "moving the air" more than anything else. Article: 340184 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: <12egk843vkgqr3e@corp.supernews.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > To continue to harp on it tends to end up looking like either jealousy or > dickwaving. I'm not sure what's to be gained by disrespecting any radio. The narrow conformist ideals that lead people to worship and overvalue Zenith are the same ones that produce all forms of intolerance. Like exray said on the Forum, many 1930-32 consoles are like unwanted puppies at the pound. The consoles and the puppies have the same problem- many Americans care only about trendy, new looking and smelling, superficially glossy things. They're thinking now maybe they don't like immigrants because that seems to be a trend among all the stars and talking heads. Almost NO ONE pokes fun at Zenith- they are endlessly lauded in books and online as the be all end all of old radios. Until I die I will do what I can (not enough) to knock over the Golden Calf of Radio. If they hadn't been such blatant scam artists starting a year earlier than everyone else it wouldn't be so bad. But what purpose does it serve to simply fail to state the obvious truth- the king has no clothes or in this case tapped coils in place of discrete ones. For my one knock he there with be hundreds of lines of praise. ALL I said is that I wouldn't pay that much for them. And yes I am questioning the judgment and character of those who do. I wouldn't want a Radio Bigot for a neighbor, they'd likely be calling the town because my grass is over 4" tall. John H. Article: 340185 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 20 Aug 2006 05:20:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1156076447.154882.91270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Paul Dietenberger wrote: > Yeah Mark, but you're kinda missing the point. Four tube curtain-burner TRFs > were some of the worst radios ever built in this country but people still > collect them. To appreciate a radio solely for its engineering is to ignore > other factors that make people enjoy and collect radios. In other words, you > can type till your fingers fall off about the failings of Zenith radios > compared to its competitors of the era, but you won't change the minds of > those who appreciate the brand. To continue to harp on it tends to end up > looking like either jealousy or dickwaving. I'm not sure what's to be gained > by disrespecting any radio. It's not your money, what do you care what other > people spend it on? > > -p. > same point i have been trying to make for years. falls on deaf ears. i appreciate the nice philco's, rca's etc.. i have many in my collection. but zenith put together a package of a well performing radio that is extremely easy on the eyes. apparently many people agree on this or there woudn't be such a strong market for them. many people can't get past the frustration of the inabilty to buy these radios cheap (for the most part). unless you can pick one up at an auction where there are no other collectors, or rip a little old widow off at a yard sale, you are going to pay a premium for one of the nicer zenith radios. this bothers many people in the radio collecting community for some reason. i guess it is like when my brother in law whines every time he watches a barrett-jackson auction. all he can talk about is the good old days when you could buy that superbird for 1000.00 and how STUPID these people are that pay that kind of money. on the other hand, he gloats about how much his rare musclecar parts are worth. i think it is mostly jealousy that he he doesn't have the bucks to throw around and own this stuff anymore. it's human nature i suppose. everything is market driven. whether it is a car, home or a radio. if a lot of people want it, the price goes up. if it is a undesirable item, it goes cheap. that is the reason a 15 tube zenith can cost you several thousand dollars and you can buy a better performing 16 tube philco for 150.00. it ain't just about the "performance." it's supply and demand my friends. Article: 340186 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "electron@grapevine.net" Subject: Re: Kansas City Date: 20 Aug 2006 05:28:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1156076904.522475.246430@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: Steve Phipps wrote: > If you're looking for old radios / electronics around KC you might search > the two big weekend swap meets around town... Boulevard Drive In at 10th & > Merriam Lane in KCK and 63rd Street Drive In at 63rd & I-435 in KCMO. You > never know what will show up in terms of antique electronics. Also the big > flea markets at Truman Corners Shopping Center in Grandview and the Brass > Armadillo in Blue Springs / Grain Valley have a few nice surprises now and > then... > > Steve P. > > "OzRadio" wrote in message > news:ZX7Fg.16110$o27.9625@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > > Are there any places in the Kansas City metro area that sell vintage > > electronics and parts? > > Ryan > > > > > > --------------= Posted using GrabIt =---------------- > > ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =--------- > > -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =- > > I wouldn't waste any time at the 63rd street swap meet ("Nate's") as I know someone who regularly shows up there by 8am and gets all the good stuff... ;-) Seriously, lately, you have to go four to five times to get any real 'hits', but they're still there on occasion. I enjoy the regulars (sellers) that are evidently professional house cleaners/junk dealers, they bring out *everything* that they've loaded up over the week. I've 'trained' a few to expect to see me by now (..."Hey, over here! I've got some vacuum tubes for you!") I'm 'forced' into buying the chaff for a couple of bucks, so they'll remember to hold the stuff for me next weekend (when it might turn out to be *real* goodies!) Due to the rain this Saturday, sellers and buyers were relatively scarce, but I still had some fun, i.e. got another Weller 200/260w gun in beautiful shape for $5 (but with gas at $3 a gallon, was it worth the drive? You bet! I gladly pay the price of the 'hunt'!) I've enjoyed the Truman Corners flea market too, especially for records/reel to reels. -Robert Article: 340187 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: interesting JVC speakers-what vintage ? Date: 20 Aug 2006 05:31:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1156077111.997107.145540@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1155645657.997468.257160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Wayne Boatwright wrote: > -- > Wayne Boatwright > __________________________________________________ > > Brought to you by the anarcho-syndicalist commune. Endorsed by the cryptological psuedo-fascist pollster cabal. Enjoy the lightning. Article: 340188 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 20 Aug 2006 05:32:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1156077139.623261.154400@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message > news:44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > To continue to harp on it tends to end up looking like either jealousy or > > dickwaving. I'm not sure what's to be gained by disrespecting any radio. > > The narrow conformist ideals that lead people to worship and overvalue > Zenith are the same ones that produce all forms of intolerance. Like exray > said on the Forum, many 1930-32 consoles are like unwanted puppies at the > pound. The consoles and the puppies have the same problem- many Americans > care only about trendy, new looking and smelling, superficially glossy > things. They're thinking now maybe they don't like immigrants because that > seems to be a trend among all the stars and talking heads. > > Almost NO ONE pokes fun at Zenith- they are endlessly lauded in books and > online as the be all end all of old radios. Until I die I will do what I can > (not enough) to knock over the Golden Calf of Radio. If they hadn't been > such blatant scam artists starting a year earlier than everyone else it > wouldn't be so bad. But what purpose does it serve to simply fail to state > the obvious truth- the king has no clothes or in this case tapped coils in > place of discrete ones. For my one knock he there with be hundreds of lines > of praise. > > ALL I said is that I wouldn't pay that much for them. And yes I am > questioning the judgment and character of those who do. I wouldn't want a > Radio Bigot for a neighbor, they'd likely be calling the town because my > grass is over 4" tall. > > John H. john, what an item is worth to you is your opinion and of course you are entitled to it. but i know you understand free market. why in the world would you question the "worth" of anything? if people are willing to pay the price, the stuff (in this case a radio brand)will sell. it is simple as that. if it is not worth the asking price, it will not sell. if these people are fools and paying over market value (as you suggest) the market will force them to take a loss when they sell. this little simple theory drives the market for everything from radios to automobiles. i don't understand your problem. an item is worth what it is worth. nothing under the sun can change that. do i wish that i could but a nice 15 tube console for 25.00? absolutely. is that going to happen? no. then why harp on it? Article: 340189 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "powerdoc" Subject: Re: Fisher 800C tube receiver/amplifier repair question Date: 20 Aug 2006 05:32:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1156077162.175595.156480@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153491537.047674.118300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Does anyone know how to get a response from Fisherdoc? Article: 340190 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 20 Aug 2006 05:47:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1156078041.429688.138490@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message > news:44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > To continue to harp on it tends to end up looking like either jealousy or > > dickwaving. I'm not sure what's to be gained by disrespecting any radio. > > The narrow conformist ideals that lead people to worship and overvalue > Zenith are the same ones that produce all forms of intolerance. Like exray > said on the Forum, many 1930-32 consoles are like unwanted puppies at the > pound. The consoles and the puppies have the same problem- many Americans > care only about trendy, new looking and smelling, superficially glossy > things. They're thinking now maybe they don't like immigrants because that > seems to be a trend among all the stars and talking heads. > > Almost NO ONE pokes fun at Zenith- they are endlessly lauded in books and > online as the be all end all of old radios. Until I die I will do what I can > (not enough) to knock over the Golden Calf of Radio. If they hadn't been > such blatant scam artists starting a year earlier than everyone else it > wouldn't be so bad. But what purpose does it serve to simply fail to state > the obvious truth- the king has no clothes or in this case tapped coils in > place of discrete ones. For my one knock he there with be hundreds of lines > of praise. > > ALL I said is that I wouldn't pay that much for them. And yes I am > questioning the judgment and character of those who do. I wouldn't want a > Radio Bigot for a neighbor, they'd likely be calling the town because my > grass is over 4" tall. I don't even have grass.. Article: 340191 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 20 Aug 2006 05:53:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1156078385.836945.268410@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Eddie Brimer wrote: > Paul Dietenberger wrote: > > Yeah Mark, but you're kinda missing the point. Four tube curtain-burner TRFs > > were some of the worst radios ever built in this country but people still > > collect them. To appreciate a radio solely for its engineering is to ignore > > other factors that make people enjoy and collect radios. In other words, you > > can type till your fingers fall off about the failings of Zenith radios > > compared to its competitors of the era, but you won't change the minds of > > those who appreciate the brand. To continue to harp on it tends to end up > > looking like either jealousy or dickwaving. I'm not sure what's to be gained > > by disrespecting any radio. It's not your money, what do you care what other > > people spend it on? > > > > -p. > > > > same point i have been trying to make for years. falls on deaf ears. i > appreciate the nice philco's, rca's etc.. i have many in my > collection. but zenith put together a package of a well performing > radio that is extremely easy on the eyes. apparently many people agree > on this or there woudn't be such a strong market for them. many people > can't get past the frustration of the inabilty to buy these radios > cheap (for the most part). unless you can pick one up at an auction > where there are no other collectors, or rip a little old widow off at a > yard sale, you are going to pay a premium for one of the nicer zenith > radios. this bothers many people in the radio collecting community for > some reason. i guess it is like when my brother in law whines every > time he watches a barrett-jackson auction. all he can talk about is > the good old days when you could buy that superbird for 1000.00 and how > STUPID these people are that pay that kind of money. on the other > hand, he gloats about how much his rare musclecar parts are worth. i > think it is mostly jealousy that he he doesn't have the bucks to throw > around and own this stuff anymore. it's human nature i suppose. > everything is market driven. whether it is a car, home or a radio. if > a lot of people want it, the price goes up. if it is a undesirable > item, it goes cheap. that is the reason a 15 tube zenith can cost you > several thousand dollars and you can buy a better performing 16 tube > philco for 150.00. it ain't just about the "performance." it's supply > and demand my friends. Heck with that. My chassis was $60 with shipping and the cabinet 8 something.. My "new" Silvertone 4569 chassis from Jeff Goldsmith was $60.00 and the cabinet 8 something. A lovely pattern I think. Article: 340192 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: 20 Aug 2006 05:56:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1156078584.876057.49270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > > The FCC has finished the quality ruining job by packing > > the band tightly for 40 years and unless you have a tube > > set of a really good older stereo receiver or tuner, you may > > not know what good AM is really like and that it's worthwhile. > > Stereo AM can be awfully good. If you don't know, you might very well think > you're listening to stereo FM. Aware of that, hasn't existed on commercial radio here since the 1990s and the public station killed it a long time ago. My AMS-modded 5050 blew all it's fuses and my Sony with it's mods belongs to my boss now. Article: 340193 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: 20 Aug 2006 06:00:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1156078805.828041.122830@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > >> The FCC has finished the quality ruining job by packing > >> the band tightly for 40 years and unless you have a tube > >> set of a really good older stereo receiver or tuner, you may > >> not know what good AM is really like and that it's worthwhile. > > I like to "talk up" the tuner that came with my Sony CD Walkman. It's about > the size of a pack of chewing gum (5 sticks, not 20), yet it has both AM and > stereo FM, auto-programming for 30 stations, and it doubles as the remote > control. It is a marvel of miniaturization! > > Now, its ferrite antenna (!!!) isn't very large (how could it be?), so, > regardless of the quality of its front end, it's not going to be highly > sensitive in any practical sense. But it uses (I assume) ceramic resonators > (or something similar) in the IF strip. That means it could have excellent > sensitivity and a wide, flat audio response. > > Could have. Other than "just listening" (non-stereo AM stations vary widely > in their sound quality), any suggestions for deciding just how good it is? > > This isn't that important; I'm just "moving the air" more than anything > else. I had the Toshiba? walkman with the tuner pack options (AM, FM I had and SW) sold by Trump Electronics, with the mic/mute "talk" circuit. The deck stopped pulling the tape even with batteries and seemingly good belts. Article: 340194 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: 20 Aug 2006 06:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1156079280.289200.161910@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Scott W. Harvey wrote: > The P780 is IMHO one of the ugliest radios ever made (and I like > chrome)....BUT it is super hot and the sound quality approaches that of > a good tube radio....everyone in the sticks should have one. Ramblers are the car I'm reminded of, but I LIKE those. > It was designed to play for 700 hours on batteries that are considerably > more mediocre than anything available today. Put alkalines in one now > and you could probably play it at low volume for several weeks continuously. I don't think those coppertops or bunny batteries would care to be used at the rate and uncertain intervals that they tend to get. For one thing, I recall the carbon-zinc and heavy-duty type batteries had some "rebound" if you didn't just drain them quickly. Alkalines are happy with a steady drain, I'll bet, they are designed for stamina in a continuous drain usage. > It may not be a SuperRadio, but it is a super radio. I'll agree (Yes! Circle gets the square!) Article: 340195 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Fisher 800C tube receiver/amplifier repair question Date: 20 Aug 2006 06:10:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1156079413.481145.24090@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153491537.047674.118300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> powerdoc wrote: > Does anyone know how to get a response from Fisherdoc? Tell him his fly is open? Article: 340196 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Bought this Gilfillan, can anyone tell me about it? Date: 20 Aug 2006 06:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1156079592.150250.55600@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: k35454 wrote: > "Jason M" wrote in message > news:ySSFg.8235$RQ5.7254@trnddc03... > Well, I went and bought the cathedral radio that I saw advertised as a > Radiovox and found out it was made by Gilfillan. The tag on the chassis > says licensed by Radio Corp of America and manufactured by Gilfillan Bros. > It's an AC, 6 tube cathedral radio that says "Radiovox" under the tuning > window. Now I'm curious, can anyone tell me more about it? I know I need > to find a knob somewhere. The escutcheon says "Radiovox", is that original > to this radio? Without me going through every Rider schematic, anyone have > an idea what model it is? It looks like it's already had some work done in > the past, a capacitor is soldered on the chassis and it has a glass fuse > added. I've looked through five or six radio books without seeing a picture > of this or a description that matches. Here is a link to a picture I took: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resoz4m9/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gilf.jpg > > Thanks for anything you can tell me. > > Jason > > There was a company in California that made Gilfillan radios. > Have you tried Google ? k35454. Ask Ken G. His address is valid for any of the posts you find of his. Article: 340197 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156079280.289200.161910@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 06:21:41 -0700 Message-ID: > I don't think those coppertops or bunny batteries would care > to be used at the rate and uncertain intervals that they tend > to get. For one thing, I recall the carbon-zinc and heavy-duty > type batteries had some "rebound" if you didn't just drain > them quickly. Alkalines are happy with a steady drain, I'll bet, > they are designed for stamina in a continuous drain usage. Though alkaline cells will always give signifcantly longer service life than carbon-zinc cells, they show their advantage under heavy-drain applications, where they last about 10 times as long (because carbon-zinc cells poop out pretty quickly). In an application such as this 6 D-cell radio, I'd expect the alkalines to give two to three times the service life, especially if the set was not used every day or for long periods, partly because alkaline cells don't self-discharge as rapidly as carbon-zinc cells. By the way, Ray-O-Vac alkalines work quite well, but they're not spec'd for heavy-drain applications (such as electronic flashes, motorized toys, etc). Their claim to provide "alkaline power" is pretty much a lie, though in light-drain apps, a single charge lasts almost as long as a throwaway alkaline. Article: 340198 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1156002542.915102.325860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Realistic: Phonograph needle replacement? Message-ID: <4gZFg.1244$Qt3.11603@weber.videotron.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:10:03 -0400 "terry" wrote in message news:1156002542.915102.325860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > Syl; (Phonograph cartridge rebuilder and such) in Quebec. > Still around this news group? > Long time no speak! > Cos I have friend who would like to replace the phonograph needle of > his 1970s Realistic record player. > Please advise your email and also if I can have him contact you > directly. > Bon Chance. Terry Hi Terry, Long time no speak ! I lurk here from time to time... I'll be pleased to help your buddy. Have him contact me: restoration at oldradioz dot com Syl Article: 340199 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Steve J Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I'm sure this seller knows radios. He must have a huge collection of old test equipment. He bids aginst me all the time for vintage tube testers and test equipment from the 20's and 30's. Has for a long time. Article: 340200 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "OzRadio" Subject: 1957 Westinghouse Message-ID: <7VYFg.1502$yO7.340@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:51:15 GMT I picked up a 1957 Westinghouse 644T6 at a yard sale. I'm new to restoring old radios but this chassis looks considerably different from the other radios I have. Instead of a thick metal chassis it's like everything's soldered to a thin board. I recognize the parts just not the manner in which they're wired to the chassis. Is this common for newer old radios? Will I need to melt the solder and such to remove and test tubes, etc? Thanks in advance for any input. Ryan --------------= Posted using GrabIt =---------------- ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =--------- -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =- Article: 340201 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: It speaks! References: <5o1Fg.66614$u05.36976@trnddc01> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:48:16 -0400 James Sweet wrote: > Things have been good in general, I'm excited to make further progress > on this thing but I've been limited to an evening or two a week, life, > work and other things tend to keep me from my hobbies far too often. You > wouldn't believe the queue of projects I have stacked up, or maybe you > would, I suspect it's the same way for you. > > Got any recommendations for an antenna for this thing? I noticed there's > three terminals on the back, one is apparently ground, the other two are > connected to a piece of thin stranded zipcord that was on the set when I > got it. Obviously there's better solutions. James, For the antenna all you need is a long wire connected to the terminal, nothing special. Of course you can run a long wire in your attic for better reception and long distant listening. As far as me, yes, I have a bunch of projects on cue... almost done with another 6 tube nixie clock. Sal Brisindi Article: 340202 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: 20 Aug 2006 06:54:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1156082055.093282.239770@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > > I don't think those coppertops or bunny batteries would care > > to be used at the rate and uncertain intervals that they tend > > to get. For one thing, I recall the carbon-zinc and heavy-duty > > type batteries had some "rebound" if you didn't just drain > > them quickly. Alkalines are happy with a steady drain, I'll bet, > > they are designed for stamina in a continuous drain usage. > > Though alkaline cells will always give signifcantly longer service life than > carbon-zinc cells, they show their advantage under heavy-drain applications, > where they last about 10 times as long (because carbon-zinc cells poop out > pretty quickly). > > In an application such as this 6 D-cell radio, I'd expect the alkalines to > give two to three times the service life, especially if the set was not used > every day or for long periods, partly because alkaline cells don't > self-discharge as rapidly as carbon-zinc cells. > > By the way, Ray-O-Vac alkalines work quite well, but they're not spec'd for > heavy-drain applications (such as electronic flashes, motorized toys, etc). > Their claim to provide "alkaline power" is pretty much a lie, though in > light-drain apps, a single charge lasts almost as long as a throwaway > alkaline. I used $1.00 Panasonic heavy-duty C cells in the Royal 880. They still have lots of punch for AM 6 months later with occasional medium duty use, but I could not get any FM the night of the blackout (Boise AM was there most of the duration). Perhaps the power was down to the antenna farm site (is it Bogus Basin or Deer Point-I've forgotten)? Nope. No FM, but AM is there. Of course, the strength of KSRV at 1/2 mile is well over 107 dBu that I've read of on a website about radio info by ZIP Code...maybe over 112 I'd guess. My monitor has NO EFFECT on reception of 1380! I asked somebody if the FM will cut out below a certain power level, to no effect? I also mention I need ANY concentric knobs that will operate the tuning and bandswitch, as I prefer it to a dinky recent GE AC/DC AM/FM that does sound good on either band but is small and gutless in comparison. A new handle strap would be cool too (got Jethro Bodine's belt for a handle--a rope). This is one I like to use! Article: 340203 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: GE P780E Transistor Set Date: 20 Aug 2006 06:58:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1156082332.349206.56940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1155957141.786906.158280@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> PS I can tell Hagstar and Co. that this one is boxy, utilitarian and not a real looker, yet I love it more than any other Zenith I have in the house right now. Not a TO but any paperboy would think it SWELL. Article: 340204 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12egk843vkgqr3e@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: <44e874a2$0$1850$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12egk843vkgqr3e@corp.supernews.com... > The narrow conformist ideals that lead people to worship and overvalue > Zenith are the same ones that produce all forms of intolerance. Ummm, sure, John. Okay. Whatever you say. Who do you know is talking in this way to you? Nobody I ever see on any Internet forum...... > Like exray said on the Forum, many 1930-32 consoles are like unwanted > puppies at the pound. The consoles and the puppies have the same problem- > many Americans care only about trendy, new looking and smelling, > superficially glossy things. Trends come and go. I highly doubt that the fact that this happens is indicative of any mean spirited bias. > Almost NO ONE pokes fun at Zenith- O RLY?! Seems to be quite the popular sport on this board. > they are endlessly lauded in books and online as the be all end all of old > radios. Again. Not seeing serious evidence of this. > Until I die I will do what I can (not enough) to knock over the Golden > Calf of Radio. If they hadn't been such blatant scam artists starting a > year earlier than everyone else it wouldn't be so bad. But what purpose > does it serve to simply fail to state the obvious truth- the king has no > clothes or in this case tapped coils in place of discrete ones. For my one > knock he there with be hundreds of lines of praise. You're going at this all wrong John. Instead of knocking one down, build others up. Where's that glossy book about Stromberg Carlson radios? Somebody needs to write it. You're well spoken. Get to it. Self publish it if you have to. Let the ideas fight it out fairly in the marketplace instead of beating other people down. > ALL I said is that I wouldn't pay that much for them. Neither would I but then I don't buy anything that isn't at least slightly distressed with a price to match. > And yes I am questioning the judgment and character of those who do. I > wouldn't want a Radio Bigot for a neighbor, they'd likely be calling the > town because my grass is over 4" tall. I'm sure people just love having their character questioned. That's a great way to make them see the error of their ways. :eyeroll: Cheers, -p. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 340205 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: 1957 Westinghouse References: <7VYFg.1502$yO7.340@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:39:53 -0400 You probably have a printed wiring boatd, the copper runs take the place of wires. The tubes will unplug, the components can be un soldered. Ken OzRadio wrote: > I picked up a 1957 Westinghouse 644T6 at a yard sale. I'm new to restoring old radios but this chassis looks considerably different from the other radios I have. Instead of a thick metal chassis it's like everything's soldered to a thin board. I recognize the parts just not the manner in which they're wired to the chassis. Is this common for newer old radios? Will I need to melt the solder and such to remove and test tubes, etc? Thanks in advance for any input. > Ryan > > > --------------= Posted using GrabIt =---------------- > ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =--------- > -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =- > Article: 340206 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:45:13 -0400 Message-ID: <12eh0sf3b6lpv4e@corp.supernews.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12egk843vkgqr3e@corp.supernews.com> <1156077139.623261.154400@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Eddie, Right now I am working on two nice Zeniths- TO SELL. I put my money where my mouth is- if I thought they really WERE that much better looking I'd pay the price despite a so-so circuit. But I just don't LIKE a Walton five times as much as a 16B. You have this constantly reoccurring theme about ripping off old ladies at yardsales. But you yourself have experienced offering more than they are asking and having the item promptly taken off the market never to be seen again as thanks for your free appraisal. So I don't do that much anymore- it helps no one. I have no interest in acquiring Zeniths cheap, when I do I usually sell them after a recap quite reasonably at swaps. This has nothing to do with envy, I have more nice radios already than I'll ever really need. John H. Article: 340207 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2aydnT_v5MZhGXXZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> Paul, Sorry , you mistook my intent. I dont disrespect Zenith, you cant deny their popularity! In fact, I forgot to mention in that post, as I have many many times, how well made the 1935 cream dial Zeniths are. The 800 and 900 series are fantastic radios. But, more than technologically, some of the sets I mention have beautiful cabinets and dials as well. The finish quality of the RCA and GE sets seems to be quite superior overall to the Zeniths, too. Mark Oppat "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Yeah Mark, but you're kinda missing the point. Four tube curtain-burner TRFs > were some of the worst radios ever built in this country but people still > collect them. To appreciate a radio solely for its engineering is to ignore > other factors that make people enjoy and collect radios. In other words, you > can type till your fingers fall off about the failings of Zenith radios > compared to its competitors of the era, but you won't change the minds of > those who appreciate the brand. To continue to harp on it tends to end up > looking like either jealousy or dickwaving. I'm not sure what's to be gained > by disrespecting any radio. It's not your money, what do you care what other > people spend it on? > > -p. > > > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > news:zbOdna9kXqpOW3rZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Of course, if you want a nice console radio with REAL guts in it, you have > > to get an upper end Philco, Stromberg-Carlson , RCA or GE... or even a > > Midwest. Spending bigger money, you'd go McMurdo-Silver or Scott. > > Even > > the Wells-Gardner made Airline/Truetone/etc or Colonial made Silvertones > > will outdo most Zenths I think, tube for tube, in the '36-'42 era allwave > > sets. Those 11, 13 and 19 tube 1937era Admiral/Camden/etc sets by > > Consolidated Radio are nice too (big oval dials). > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message > > news:44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > >> "Hagstar" wrote in message > >> news:12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com... > >> > >> > Do I detect a note of sarcasm? Fine then- the Commander's brainwashing > >> > has endured nearly a century. Never have so many coveted so little so > >> > much. > >> > >> Commander, schomander. If I wanted to listen to Yurgi Ivanovich > > broadcasting > >> from a spark transmitter in Outer Elbonia I'd do it right and go buy a > >> Collins instead of thinking that a walnut refrigerator with an extra IF > >> stage is going to get me there. I don't listen to my radios all the time > > but > >> my wife and I have to look at the dumb things every single day, and given > >> that I'd damn well better like the view. Every radio I own picks up WTMJ > > and > >> my two-tube transmitter just fine. > >> > >> :-D > >> > >> All kidding (?) aside I make a poor excuse for a Zenith evangelist. I > > happen > >> to like some of the cabinets' styling (not necessarily the dials) but I > >> don't go out of my way or budget to buy them; like everything else I own > >> they got here because they just happened to land at the intersection of > >> opportunity, value and potential enjoyment so religious arguments just > > kind > >> of strike me as silly. I buy what I like. > >> > >> (OT - IMO those blackout bulbs are cool. Nice find. :) > >> > >> -p. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Article: 340208 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <12eh1au30gj0dc0@corp.supernews.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12egk843vkgqr3e@corp.supernews.com> <44e874a2$0$1850$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> It's like you guys are hearing this for the first time. I'm nothing if not a very consistent ranter. John H. Article: 340209 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <1156076447.154882.91270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:05:05 -0400 Message-ID: Eddie's right....I agree mostly with everything he said. However, my point is, since this is a RADIO newsgroup, that there are other sets out there that warrant the attention of the readers here, who I suspect might be a little more sophisticated than the average eBayer. Eddie has discovered SC sets are very nicely made and designed, and he often champions them in posts. I mention other brands in response to Zenith posts to call attention to them so readers here will begin to discover the others that deserve attention. I am not knocking all Zeniths. I have owned many many of them, including a couple of the 15 tube 1938 sets, so I know what they are. If you want a nice radio at a more reasonable price, read my posts. Mark Oppat "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1156076447.154882.91270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Paul Dietenberger wrote: > > Yeah Mark, but you're kinda missing the point. Four tube curtain-burner TRFs > > were some of the worst radios ever built in this country but people still > > collect them. To appreciate a radio solely for its engineering is to ignore > > other factors that make people enjoy and collect radios. In other words, you > > can type till your fingers fall off about the failings of Zenith radios > > compared to its competitors of the era, but you won't change the minds of > > those who appreciate the brand. To continue to harp on it tends to end up > > looking like either jealousy or dickwaving. I'm not sure what's to be gained > > by disrespecting any radio. It's not your money, what do you care what other > > people spend it on? > > > > -p. > > > > same point i have been trying to make for years. falls on deaf ears. i > appreciate the nice philco's, rca's etc.. i have many in my > collection. but zenith put together a package of a well performing > radio that is extremely easy on the eyes. apparently many people agree > on this or there woudn't be such a strong market for them. many people > can't get past the frustration of the inabilty to buy these radios > cheap (for the most part). unless you can pick one up at an auction > where there are no other collectors, or rip a little old widow off at a > yard sale, you are going to pay a premium for one of the nicer zenith > radios. this bothers many people in the radio collecting community for > some reason. i guess it is like when my brother in law whines every > time he watches a barrett-jackson auction. all he can talk about is > the good old days when you could buy that superbird for 1000.00 and how > STUPID these people are that pay that kind of money. on the other > hand, he gloats about how much his rare musclecar parts are worth. i > think it is mostly jealousy that he he doesn't have the bucks to throw > around and own this stuff anymore. it's human nature i suppose. > everything is market driven. whether it is a car, home or a radio. if > a lot of people want it, the price goes up. if it is a undesirable > item, it goes cheap. that is the reason a 15 tube zenith can cost you > several thousand dollars and you can buy a better performing 16 tube > philco for 150.00. it ain't just about the "performance." it's supply > and demand my friends. > > Article: 340210 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12egk843vkgqr3e@corp.supernews.com> <44e874a2$0$1850$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12eh1au30gj0dc0@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:18:37 -0500 Message-ID: <44e87e57$0$1810$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12eh1au30gj0dc0@corp.supernews.com... > It's like you guys are hearing this for the first time. I'm nothing if not > a very consistent ranter. Nah. But like you said, it's been slow on the board lately. Seemed like a good time to raise a stink about it. :) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 340211 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Do you think this Zenith is worth that much? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1156026566.885571.284840@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:20:29 GMT In article , jamessweet@hotmail.com says... > > yup its a radio that any serious Zenith Collector... just has to have one in his collection... and there are some around... but not that many... several hundred bucks to be sure ... even in the condition that this one it in... which although its ugly.. really isn't that bad to fix it... I would sure rather make up some board that goes across the backside of a radio... then to replace a chunk of bad veneer or fill in a bunch of veneer chips ... but alas... his start price is most likely going to be his downfall.. its possible that someone might snipe it at the last minute for just about his start price... As Steve and I both said... a low start price assures action and action is what makes for a high end price on auctions... John >That said, I personally probably wouldn't pay more than about a hundred >bucks for that thing, so maybe it's super rare, but it's not the most >attractive radio I've seen, one could do far better for that sort of >money unless they simply want the rarity. Article: 340212 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Kansas City From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1156076904.522475.246430@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <030Gg.144541$1i1.143817@attbi_s72> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:26:36 GMT In article <1156076904.522475.246430@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, electron@grapevine.net says... > > > >I'm 'forced' into buying the chaff for a couple of bucks, so they'll >remember to hold the stuff for me next weekend (when it might turn out >to be *real* goodies!) > > >-Robert > Yup always support your "pickers" ..even if you lose a little money on bad buys now and then... I always not only encourage them... but spend a little time with the try to educate them as to what to pay for various things that they find... in some cases I give them a new Bunis / Slusser price guide book... and make sure they have my phone number on their cellphones... your at a garage sale or an auction... something comes up that U think I might want.. or your not sure what to pay... call me.. amazing what these people find for us now and then.. John k9uwa Article: 340213 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 20 Aug 2006 09:49:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1156092587.938175.198690@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > Eddie, Right now I am working on two nice Zeniths- TO SELL. I put my money > where my mouth is- if I thought they really WERE that much better looking > I'd pay the price despite a so-so circuit. But I just don't LIKE a Walton > five times as much as a 16B. > > You have this constantly reoccurring theme about ripping off old ladies at > yardsales. But you yourself have experienced offering more than they are > asking and having the item promptly taken off the market never to be seen > again as thanks for your free appraisal. So I don't do that much anymore- it > helps no one. I have no interest in acquiring Zeniths cheap, when I do I > usually sell them after a recap quite reasonably at swaps. This has nothing > to do with envy, I have more nice radios already than I'll ever really need. > > John H. i don't like it 5 times as much as a 16b either. but i realize many people DO. i don't hate them for it. as far as the ripping off old ladies....i know you wouldn't do that...or most other collectors i have met. but there is a segment of our collecting community that WILL NOT buy a radio unless it is for pennies on the dollar from an unsuspecting person. a "good deal," as they say. i'll bet you are referring to the credenza i was telling you about when you were down for the charlotte show. for those who haven't heard the story....there was an ad in the paper for a wind-up record player. i called and went to look at it. it was just down the road. when i got there it was a really nice credenza. i told her it was worth considerably more than the 50 or 75.00 she was asking and i offered her alot more. long story short, she changed her mind. as far as i know it is still on the damp back porch, weathering away. did i hate i didn't get the player? yes. am i sorry i told the lady the worth of the player? no. i wish i had handled the situation better and got the player, but still not rip the lady off. do i lose sleep over it? no. this same situation has happened to me a bunch of times. once on a whole collection. i try to be fair and if it works out, that's great. if not, i move on. for what it is worth, i don't offer retail or ebay prices either. probably 75%. Article: 340214 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <1156076447.154882.91270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4w0Gg.144572$1i1.74913@attbi_s72> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:57:36 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > Amazed at the comments here about Zeniths and other brands.. Sorry but maybe I am more biased than other collectors?.. and I bet that some of your are going to be amazed by my next comment... I am in the process of seriously reducing my inventory of old radios.. no way in hell would I live long enough.. and don't have the desire to restore all of them... that said.. I have considered... just exactly Which FEW CONSOLES do I intend to keep?... first the Real Short List ... these 7 ... I expect to croak owning them... Zenith console model number intentionally left off .... yeah its the big one Zenith 16a61 Zenith 12s265 GE E-155 15 tube Colorama Console Crosley Baby Grand Console cabinet Zenith 9s369 Majestic model 1250 ------------- please notice that yup of the 7 there are 4 Z radios in there.. also note that there are several other brands.. notice the absence of 15U Zradios. and I do have one... its on the list ... of Maybe I Keep it .. a 15U270 much nicer cabinet design than that ugly thing thats on fleabay this week............ ----------------- Next amazing part... a couple of weeks ago I posted a note about my latest "Find" ... response to that posting was an exact Zero.. Most of this group probably read it... saw Majestic in the title and said.... No Interest to me... its just another old radio console.. Now notice that radio is listed in my very short keepers list... Majestic model 1250 ... no doubt part of it is because I don't think any of you will find a picture of this radio anyplace on the net.. At the moment about the closest I can tell you to look for a picture is in the Stein Console book .. Stein in his halfassed model number system mistakenly calls this one a model 1280 .... guess he can't tell a 5 from an 8 ... its on page 109 of the book ... I also have the matching dial arrangement Majestic 85 Tombstone and the smaller yet Table radio.... So... yes for various reasons... some have to do with technical design and some for appearance design ... all of us tend to advance in our collecting habits as we progress through this Old Radio Collecting hobby... until we settle on something that appeals to us... and it IS that US part that is really IMPORTANT ... each of US .. have fortunately Different Opinions and desires... John k9uwa Article: 340215 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: 1957 Westinghouse Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:50:43 -0700 Message-ID: <27785-44E892E3-29@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: Hey OzR: It's a printed circuit board. As a heads-up, pc boards of that vintage are very prone to developing broken connections- like hairline cracks across the foil traces, bad solder connections where component leads solder into the foil, and where the tube socket lugs solder to the foil. If you discover you have an intermittent condition, wiggling components will often show where the break is at. Other times, an ohmeter is needed to spot a hairline crack that's invisible to the naked eye. To repair a hairline crack, just clean the foil and solder a strand of wire across it =96 but do it quickly as the foil is apt to peel loose from the board. Bill(oc) Article: 340216 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <2aydnT_v5MZhGXXZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:30:00 -0500 Message-ID: <44e88f14$0$1824$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:2aydnT_v5MZhGXXZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com... > Paul, > Sorry , you mistook my intent. I dont disrespect Zenith, you cant deny > their popularity! Well yeah,.... the point I was trying to make is that whether or not 36-42 Zeniths provide inadequate bang for the buck, you don't want to antagonize people who like the sets to the point that they don't want to even talk about them here for fear that they're going to have to listen to a lot of crap about how they're no good. It kills the conversation. People don't like being called zombies, even if it's meant in fun. > But, more than technologically, some of the sets I mention have beautiful > cabinets and dials as well. The finish quality of the RCA and GE sets > seems > to be quite superior overall to the Zeniths, too. Sure, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and for whatever reason many people simply find Zeniths more appealing. Maybe it's the fact that the color isn't so dark and somber as RCAs. Maybe it's just familiarity. Who knows. -p. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 340217 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Fisher 800C tube receiver/amplifier repair question Date: 20 Aug 2006 10:39:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1156095555.562131.213000@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153491537.047674.118300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Ish wrote: > On 20 Aug 2006 06:10:13 -0700, "Steven" wrote: > > > > >powerdoc wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to get a response from Fisherdoc? > > > >Tell him his fly is open? > > Not to encourage you, but you finally said something funny...! > Mike Gee whiz. Tough audience, and I wasn't trying very hard. Have a decent Sunday, Mr. DeMeo. Article: 340218 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: 20 Aug 2006 10:46:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1156096012.388822.242810@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> Paul Dietenberger wrote: > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > news:2aydnT_v5MZhGXXZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Paul, > > Sorry , you mistook my intent. I dont disrespect Zenith, you cant deny > > their popularity! > > Well yeah,.... the point I was trying to make is that whether or not 36-42 > Zeniths provide inadequate bang for the buck, you don't want to antagonize > people who like the sets to the point that they don't want to even talk > about them here for fear that they're going to have to listen to a lot of > crap about how they're no good. It kills the conversation. People don't like > being called zombies, even if it's meant in fun. > > > But, more than technologically, some of the sets I mention have beautiful > > cabinets and dials as well. The finish quality of the RCA and GE sets > > seems > > to be quite superior overall to the Zeniths, too. > > Sure, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and for whatever reason many > people simply find Zeniths more appealing. Maybe it's the fact that the > color isn't so dark and somber as RCAs. Maybe it's just familiarity. Who > knows. I think I'll just plug it in and turn it on as soon as it's done, that's that. Article: 340219 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philsvintageradios" Subject: Re: Wobbly valves/tubes Date: 20 Aug 2006 12:13:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1156101181.801846.47780@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: Steven wrote: > I tried to glue an antenna mount on a receiver (because it's a Philips > and where do I get that style of AM antenna for 22AH794A04-- anyway) > and it seems the electrical tape wrapping is stronger than JB Weld > (yes, I repaired it while OFF the receiver with the cable intact and > let it sit for a couple days, then tried again. I don't know what you > repair with it normally, but I haven't a clue why they sell it. It > seems to be as worthless as $1 superglue and 10x as expensive. epoxy , polyester resin ,and similar glues ( jb weld, PC woody etc) won't usually stick well to plastics, especially soft plastics. You can put black tape where you don't want it to stick. having said that, there are many types of plastics and many types of glue, so yes I am speaking generally.. I personally have had better success with the stuff for gluing PVC pipe to ABS pipe which is available at plumbing stores, is called transition glue. the stuff is white, and comes in a tin can . it melts into the plastic creating a bond that way. It would be nice to find something similar that is black in color. for loose tube bases I have used superglue with success But I remember someone saying a while back that he figured it might be causing tubes to crack ( from the bond? or temperature expansion issues perhaps? ) I can see using white glue or hot glue, if you ever wanted to get things apart one day that might be a better option? BTW I occasionally have wanted to separate the base from a dud tube ( to use the socket for a speaker plug, etc) I found that if I smash the tube it often leaves half of the glass still stuck in the base. I found if I heat the tube up with a blowtorch till the glass starts to go soft, then drop it in a bucket of water, well the glass shatters, and it does leave a mess of broken glass with the water that needs to be gotten rid of, but I liked the method better than others I have found, for removing the glass envelope without cutting myself. Thougt I would pass it on for what it is worth.. I am sure someone could still find a way to hurt themselves with this method, but it seemed to work better for me than using a hammer to remove the glass :) Phil Article: 340220 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mort Denison" Subject: Springs for Zenith Shutterdial Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: Folks, I got a 9S262 in and both springs on the shutterdial are rusted and broken. Can anyone point me to a replacement source? Thanks. Article: 340221 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:47:28 -0400 Message-ID: <12ehf2lsg7tgha4@corp.supernews.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <1156076447.154882.91270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <4w0Gg.144572$1i1.74913@attbi_s72> Thanks John for that summation, I really didn't communicate properly here that PREFERENCE is one thing, PREJUDICE another. It's fine that Zenith is coveted by people, it's the way some collectors equate selling price as representing the whole and entire worth of something. It's fine to love something if you don't have to lower something else in the process- as so often happens. There's usually no In crowd without a defining Out crowd. So if you bring a huge fancy RCA console to a swap meet it just sits there in my experience until some non-collector buys it for his dad. Paul's right I could take a more positive approach and write a Stromberg guide or GE guide, but that does seem a tall order. I mean really- look at 'The Professors" book and then look at the Philco guide or the Stein books. As Alan Douglas said to me years ago, 1/2 of collecting is pure snobbery. John H. Article: 340222 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:50:55 -0400 Message-ID: <12ehf94kf92ut24@corp.supernews.com> References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44e7eff7$0$1828$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <1156076447.154882.91270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <4w0Gg.144572$1i1.74913@attbi_s72> "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:4w0Gg.144572$1i1.74913@attbi_s72... > In article , > moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... >> >> > > Most of this group probably read it... saw Majestic in the title and > said.... No Interest to me... its just another old radio console.. > Now notice that radio is listed in my very short keepers list... > Majestic model 1250 I want a 1656! But cut my teeth on a Grunow 1101 and I fear repairing Majestic products. Hope that one is an easier one. John H. Article: 340223 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philsvintageradios" Subject: Re: No Radios @ the Flea... Date: 20 Aug 2006 12:54:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1156103682.466614.168260@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <12eeq2rh3re8990@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > ...but I got 4 of these, 3 of which work. They came in a carton dated 1944 > and marked clearly "DOD Blackout Bulbs" with contract numbers etc. > from Sparks Worthington, not GE though this GE bulb box is inside- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230018096749&fromMakeTrack=true > > Also I got a pair of these batteries in better shape for my wood wall phone- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/WESTERN-ELECTRIC-BLUE-BELL-BATTERY-FOR-PHONE-SERVICE_W0QQitemZ300016686050 > > John H. those are interesting. maybe it would work to replace a line cord resistor ( someone suggested using a light bulb to replace a curtainburner) .. or a really dim, dim bulb tester:) maybe mounted in a box with the circular window of clear glass facing the front ? phil Article: 340224 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Phipps" Subject: Re: Kansas City Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:52:19 -0500 Message-ID: <12ehis89g3ek737@corp.supernews.com> References: <12efeiv1mlu350b@corp.supernews.com> <1156076904.522475.246430@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I've found 2 TOs and a few windup phonos at Nate's over the last year or so. I think the Boulevard is better for old electronics. Have found several 7" late 40s TVs there for cheap. Other good large "junky" flea markets around KC include "Timeless Treasures" in Claycomo on 69 Hwy just off I-435 and the Trade Fair Mall just off the last US-71 exit in Harrisonville. Steve P. wrote in message news:1156076904.522475.246430@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > I wouldn't waste any time at the 63rd street swap meet ("Nate's") as I > know someone who regularly shows up there by 8am and gets all the good > stuff... ;-) > > Seriously, lately, you have to go four to five times to get any real > 'hits', but they're still there on occasion. I Article: 340225 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave Fase" Subject: Zenith 7S685 Phono Cartrige and Needle Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:39:36 -0700 Would like to buy replacements. Anyone familiar with the set who might make a recommdation? Aloha, Dave Fase Article: 340226 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: This SEEMS Like a Nice Radio From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <12ea73tgcdi2b51@corp.supernews.com> <1155911506.455769.191830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44e5d67b$0$15849$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12ecvnp2lc2p104@corp.supernews.com> <44e76ed1$0$24978$88260bb3@free.terane