Article 23881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Nelsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Syrup Question Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:04:10 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8bvu1i$5of$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> References: <8bseha$k65$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.ae.a6 X-Server-Date: 30 Mar 2000 16:06:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23881 I think it's called a "doolittle" feeder. Same size as a frame, and fits in one frame's slot. I've got a screen down into it so the bees can crawl in and out. I checked for leakage, and it seems fine. Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.134bc35f71e4aec0989acd@news.pe.net... > What design of a feeder R U using? I used an upside down plastic > pail that I got from Bee Bob. It had holes poked in the plastic > lid and that worked fine but then last month I noted that the > feeder would empty in two days and it turned out there was a > small crack in the bottom of the feeder which was letting the > liquid leak out down into the hive. > > > > In article <8bseha$k65$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>, > mnelsen@mindspring.com says... > > Got a question for the experienced folks (I'm on my 2nd spring with 1 hive). > > > > I've been feeding them 1/1 sugar/water for the last 2 weeks (W. Oregon). > > They are bringing back plenty of pollen on warm 60 deg. days, but rainy 45 > > deg. days they stay in. > > So the question: > > They seem to consume a tremendous amount of this stuff. Only takes 2 days > > to drain the whole feeder (about 2 quarts of syrup set in the upper super). > > Is that normal? And do I have to keep it up until the dandelions/fruit > > trees bloom? > > > > Think I was very lucky, they seemed to end up the winter with little or no > > honey left when I checked back in mid-February. But thriving now. > > > > Mark N. > > > > > > Article 23882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm removal Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:18:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8bvuno$3q0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 30 16:18:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.34 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23882 Anyone interested in getting a swarm (actually a bee colony now) out of the wall or attic of a residence in Tallahassee, Florida? I haven't seen it yet because we live about 180 miles from there but I'll get all the information for anyone who interested. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:09:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 30 16:09:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.34 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23883 In article <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com>, alizax@aol.com (Alizax) wrote: > We had a feral hive in our back yard, which was fine with me but it bordered > neighbors fence: small children.... > > Had vector control dismantal it; they gave me a small bit of comb in a baggie. > I left it outside for several, maybe four, days--dead bees, comb and all. I > tasted honey that oozed out of the opening. It was delicious. Will I die? > Can I use the honey if I filter it? What should I do? > > Murderess in L.A. The answer to each of your first two questions is, YES, although the two events may not be related. (Unless vector control used poison, but they probably didn't or they wouldn't have given you the comb). What you should do is filter the honey through a clean cotton cloth, like a t-shirt, and use the honey. We've got a similar situation here now. About a week ago I moved some bees out of a wall into a hive box and left some comb with honey, pollen, bee larvae, and a few dead bees in a plastic bowl. Finally last night I set up a funnel and cloth filter to let it drain for a couple of days into a jar. Of course I will die too, but it won't be from eating the honey. :-) Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!triton.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Message-ID: References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 954452387 216.100.16.37 (Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:39:47 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:39:47 MST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:39:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23884 In article <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com says... > Of course I will die too, but it won't be from > eating the honey. > It is said that when God rules the earth, the living will no longer die. But I digress into religious matters again (or did you?) - - anyway, there is a cute solar wax-melter shown on Jim Satterfield's top bar hive page, let's see, at: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/solmltr.htm and it works fine to recover the bees wax, but I have found that different brands of paper towel don't work well for the wax filter. I wonder if cotton cloth like you mention would work better for a wax filter? Article 23885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E3CD66.AABA2ED0@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thom\"SPAM really is a delicacy\"brad"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:56:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp39.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:56:42 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23885 I use #8 (8 holes per inch) screen for a coarse filter in my solar melter. For fine filtering use coffee filters, sweatshirt or T-shirt material, old pillowcase of sheets. All have been suggested and successfully used. Thom Bradley Peter Amschel wrote: > > In article <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com > says... > > Of course I will die too, but it won't be from > > eating the honey. > > > It is said that when God rules the earth, the living will no > longer die. > But I digress into religious matters again (or did you?) - - > anyway, there is a cute solar wax-melter shown on Jim > Satterfield's top bar hive page, let's see, at: > http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/solmltr.htm > and it works fine to recover the bees wax, but I have found that > different brands of paper towel don't work well for the wax > filter. I wonder if cotton cloth like you mention would work > better for a wax filter? Article 23886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Question Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:41:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8c1388$dm9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 31 02:41:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23886 Howdy All -- The question is: Do swarms ever leave their hive and go directly to the location the scouts have found? This would skip the clustering. I have not observed this happening, nor have I read of it happening, but I suspect that it does happen sometimes. Has anyone observed this ? Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:06:41 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn26.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954471462 24163 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23887 Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave the hive?? I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the right time). Thanks L.E.G. Article 23888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wire Crimper Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:29:40 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38e427d3.4381134@news.tco.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23888 Hi All I Am looking for a Wire Crimper that was sold by Brushy Mountain. It is listed on there Web Catalog but they have quit carrying them. If anyone has one and wants to sell it or knows of another Company that have them Please let me know. This is not a Spur Embedder but looks like 2 small gears that crimps the wire. Thanks Dan Article 23889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!typhoon.columbus.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mike Geis" From: "Mike Geis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeders Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.75.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.columbus.rr.com 954507215 24.95.75.22 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:53:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:53:35 EST Organization: Road Runner Columbus Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23889 It seems that there are three types of feeders. There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could replace it without taking off the inner cover. Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the hive in cold weather to replace syrup. I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. Thanks, Mike Geis Article 23890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!142.231.112.2!cyclone.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!not-for-mail From: Craig Adam Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Date: 31 Mar 2000 07:36:31 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8c1khv$oi5$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> References: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000329110453.05973.00000986@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.host.sfu.ca X-Trace: morgoth.sfu.ca 954488191 25157 192.168.100.25 (31 Mar 2000 07:36:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.sfu.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 07:36:31 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4u)) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23890 Hi all, I have just got a message from a fellow from Russia about this thread, so I did some research to see what's up in the field of bee disease cure/prevention. These two links have some info on imported Russian bees that may have evolved a partial resistance to Varroa: http://www.nalusda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/000008/42/0000084241.html http://www.albertabeekeepers.org/beenews/articles/a05_1197.htm And this link details extremely well, with numerous links, the state of the art in Varroa disease (1999 state of the art though :) It's title: MANAGING VARROA RESISTANCE TO PESTICIDES NOT IF, BUT WHEN I actually did not know that Varroa has become resistant to Apistan, but it appears it is in some places, and of course the resistance is spreading. Apparently Bayer Bee Strips is now the medicine to use? Anyways, it's a really good articale (a bit long) and worth the read. http://www.ifas.ufl.edu:7100/~mts/apishtm/apis99/apfeb99.htm Craig. Article 23891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:35:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38e48c16.41599041@news1.radix.net> References: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000329110453.05973.00000986@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23891 On 29 Mar 2000 16:04:53 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: ><> > > Facinating question Adam. But before departing for uncharted territory, It's >best to define what you already know. A species is a group of individuals >sharing many characteristics and interbreedng freely. The breeding part is key: >If an animal can no longer interbreed with others of its former kind, then a >new species has developed. Then what are bronze turkeys? Due to their size that they have been bred for they can't beed with each other by themselves and are maintained by arificial insemination. Greg the beekeep Article 23892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Mar 2000 13:33:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000331083328.22362.00000054@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23892 Treid em all went back to division board feeders. I put a hole in the corner of the inner cover to make filling easier and disturb the hives less. Lift the telescope cover and fill the feeder through the hole. Make sure to put some floats in the feeders. I use burr comb for floats. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:51:20 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 59 Message-ID: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tMt8XP0rF9RHFBAVtp4P9Q7NLpHtTb8kTYdskBdnuOM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 14:51:22 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23893 Hi Mike, Mike Geis wrote: > > It seems that there are three types of feeders. There are more... > There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar > with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The > disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and > attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. Even if you don't like this kind for feeding, it's useful for providing water in hot weather. > There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted > over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you > have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the > fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. > Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could > replace it without taking off the inner cover. I use this kind mostly. Mine hold 2 gallons so I don't need to refill so often. Needing to cover the bucket is sometimes a pain, but I usually feed when I don't need honey supers, so I can take out the frames and stack 2 empty super boxes on. > Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal > frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a > major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted > wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the > three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the > hive in cold weather to replace syrup. You can also just slide the inner cover over a couple inches without opening it up all the way. Another disadvantage with these is that it's easier for bees to drown in the syrup. If you make sure there are floats, it's safer. > I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three > options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. I like the bucket, except I put the div. board feeder in my nuc box. It can be hard to tell if the bucket starts to leak, but I haven't had much trouble with that. Make sure you get one with at least 2 in. wide screen - I have one with about 3/4" hole (1 gal bucket) and the bees don't take the syrup nearly as fast as with the bigger opening. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.servint.com!not-for-mail From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:51:57 -0500 Organization: ServInt Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <38E4F3CD.438E8AB5@digizen.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.22.32.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.servint.com 954513896 4654 216.22.32.24 (31 Mar 2000 14:44:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.servint.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 14:44:56 GMT To: Mike Geis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23894 With the bucket-feeder method, you don't have to waste a super to cover it.... you can make a simple super-sized cover out of scrap plywood. Instead of buying feeders.... I've made friends with the folks that run the local deli. Every couple of weeks they give me an empty large pickle-type jar, which I poke holes in to make a feeder. I found that lot of bees drown in my division board feeders, even with floats (I use wine corks). Also, depending on who made them, they tend to spread when full. I screwed a small block of wood into the middle at the top to prevent this. Lastly, I've been told that wintering bees are less likely to go to a division board feeder than to go to the bucket-type.... but have no personal opinion on it. Mike Geis wrote: > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > > There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar > with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The > disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and > attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. > > There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted > over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you > have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the > fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. > Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could > replace it without taking off the inner cover. > > Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal > frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a > major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted > wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the > three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the > hive in cold weather to replace syrup. > > I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three > options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. > > Thanks, > > Mike Geis Article 23895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:26:09 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: W74M2Uz9OnkPXhTTbGzO1fEmgrxLgX7OGuvQZSSsxDM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 21:26:11 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23895 Forgot something... Steve Huston wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Mike Geis wrote: > > > > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > > There are more... Some people use plastic baggies on the inner cover. I've never tried it, but I know people who use nothing else. You get a plastic bag (like a zip-loc 1 quart size) and fill it maybe 3/4 (maybe less) with syrup. Lay it on the inner cover (not over the hole) and then cut a slit in the top of the bag with a razor or utility knife. Put a shallow super or a spacer on top of the inner cover to give the baggie some space. The bees will drink from the slits. I've heard that with a little practice you can refill the bag while it's laying on the cover. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:38:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8c39dc$peo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 31 22:38:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23896 >gmt@crosslink.net wrote: > Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will >leave the hive?? > L.E.G. ***************************************** Howdy LEG -- The great majority of swarms take off in the warmest part of the day. Usually around noon or shortly after. It's an interesting sight to see them leave on their new journey. They make a characteristic sound while in the air before they cluster. In a yard with several colonies which are in a swarm mood, several swarms will leave at about the same time and will often JOIN TOGETHER. They seem to sort out the multiple queen problem without our help. If you hive a swarm as soon as you capture it, they will sometimes leave to join another swarm in the air. That is why I prefer to keep the captured swarm in a cardboard box (apple box etc) and put them in a hive at dusky darm. If a frame or two containing young larvae is included in their new home, they will not leave. They will be too busy feeding the babies. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: RodneyCMoore@webtv.net (Rodney Moore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chalkbrood Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:45:56 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApGXt+xxABW/1mzBb0b4HE1P5oTACFF5Zullf9hqTtg+Cncgi46hOR8AO Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23897 I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth larvae. Could this have something to do with it? Article 23898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Question Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:25:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8c3c99$4jj$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8c1388$dm9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-208.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954545257 4723 62.136.21.208 (31 Mar 2000 23:27:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:27:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23898 Yes - happens frequently - swarms have been observed to leave a hive and go straight into another empty one. However, it is certain that the scouts have already investigated the new home thoroughly. Pete wrote in message news:8c1388$dm9$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > Howdy All -- > > The question is: Do swarms ever leave their hive and go directly > to the location the scouts have found? This would skip the clustering. > > I have not observed this happening, nor have I read of it happening, > but I suspect that it does happen sometimes. > > Has anyone observed this ? > > Pete > > -- > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:26:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8c3c9a$4jj$3@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-208.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954545258 4723 62.136.21.208 (31 Mar 2000 23:27:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:27:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23899 Usually mid-day (12-2) for a prime swarm, but casts can vary much more. L.E.G. wrote in message news:38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net... > Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave > the hive?? > I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the > right time). > Thanks > L.E.G. > Article 23900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:23:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8c3c97$4jj$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-208.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954545255 4723 62.136.21.208 (31 Mar 2000 23:27:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:27:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23900 Mike Geis wrote in message news:jd1F4.11330$_c3.77859@typhoon.columbus.rr.com... > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > ------------------------------ ... and you can use fondant (which I consider to be the best and easiest) or just sugar (bags soaked in water or granulated sugar placed on the crown board (inner cover). Article 23901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E543F3.81C2A6C8@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:20:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 954548402 24.112.144.102 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:20:02 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:20:02 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23901 There is one other MAJOR type of feeder - the Miller. It it the one that is the same size as a shallow super and holds about 4 gallons, stays warm from the hive's own heat and can be filled without disturbing the bees too much. Regards, Glen. Mike Geis wrote: > > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > > There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar > with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The > disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and > attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. > > There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted > over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you > have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the > fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. > Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could > replace it without taking off the inner cover. > > Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal > frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a > major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted > wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the > three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the > hive in cold weather to replace syrup. > > I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three > options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. > > Thanks, > > Mike Geis Article 23902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!199.45.45.8!cyclone1.gnilink.net!typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey From: mead-maker@NOHYPHENSbell-atlantic.net (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 01:18:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.156.42.240 X-Trace: typhoon1.gnilink.net 954551896 141.156.42.240 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:18:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:18:16 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23902 >I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized. >be the best way to melt the honey back to original state without >properties of the honey. If you don't want to take the time to do this consider making contact with a local homebrewing clubs. When I brew mead I'm looking for good tasting, aromatic honey. Crystalization is fine and 2 batches I've done seem to ferment better/faster than liquid honey. Don't know why nor would hazard a guess... Wassail, Chris Sterling, VA --- Head brewer/bottle-washer at Hummingbird Cellars (1 sip will leave 'ya humming) Meads Fermenting: Strawberry, Traditional Bulk-aging or bottled: Apricot, Blackberry, Blueberry(3), Citrus-Ginger, Cyser, Melon, Peach(2), Plum, Pyment, Raspberry(2),Vanilla, Sack, Braggot Article 23903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E54817.FDB8DE35@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wire Crimper References: <38e427d3.4381134@news.tco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:43:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954549827 24.161.116.74 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:43:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:43:47 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23903 Crimper is available from Thomas, a major European equipment supplier (Fay-aux-Loges, France). It is featured on p. 7 of a recent catalog (1996/7 -- item no. 0413, = "Roulette Zig-Zag.") You can request their catalog over the WWW, at: http://www.beekeeping.com/thomas/ Dan Dempsey wrote: > Hi All > > I Am looking for a Wire Crimper that was sold by Brushy Mountain. > It is listed on there Web Catalog but they have quit carrying them. > If anyone has one and wants to sell it or knows of another Company > that have them Please let me know. > > This is not a Spur Embedder but looks like 2 small gears that crimps > the wire. > > Thanks Dan Article 23904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lindagreg5@aol.com (LindaGreg5) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Apr 2000 02:44:49 GMT References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000331214449.18398.00000274@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23904 The best solution I have found is to requeen the hive. The break in brood cycles allows the workers to clean as much of the dead larva out as they can, and to clean the cells. This probably wont "cure" them of this disease. but it will allow the bees to control it. Yes your other hives are probably infected at some level, although it may not be noticable this season. The wax moth is not a vector for this disease, however mites are probably present, and contributed to the hive stress that caused this breakout. Go the the Penn State web site for more on this and other "diseases" Article 23905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: natural hive Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Apr 2000 03:28:10 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <20000331222810.16227.00000310@ng-bh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23905 Any body ever try to do beekeeping without the aid of any chemicals. Is it possible and under what conditions. Thanks Al Article 23906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news-x.support.nl!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!news2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail From: "hans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Jobs Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:24:50 +0200 Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8c4fau$1frh$1@buty.wanadoo.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1353.vmw.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: buty.wanadoo.nl 954581150 49009 194.134.199.117 (1 Apr 2000 09:25:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: The appropriate party according to NNTP-Posting-Host: NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2000 09:25:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23906 If there is anyone in need of new personel for the agricultural sector, they can post there requests in the AgriJobs-database. The form can be found at http://www.agrarischplein.com/vacatures.html This month (April), there will be no charges for posting your requests. Article 23907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!bignews.mediaways.net!news-x.support.nl!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!news2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail From: "Jaap Brouwers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ford and Hanomag tractors and shovels Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:36:49 +0200 Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8c4g1d$1hhb$1@buty.wanadoo.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1353.vmw.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: buty.wanadoo.nl 954581869 50731 194.134.199.117 (1 Apr 2000 09:37:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: The appropriate party according to NNTP-Posting-Host: NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2000 09:37:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23907 We're looking for Ford and Hanomag tractors and shovels. If you can help us, please mail us at jaap@oo.nl Article 23908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 16:54:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.162 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 01 16:54:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.162 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtimjk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23908 What I use is two 1 gallon baggies. I fill them both with 1-1/2 gallons of syrup. I lay the baggies directly on top of the frames and make two 2 inch slits per bag. This is really the way to go. Quick and easy and works excellent! Tim Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E632C3.203AC8AD@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 17:24:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954609893 24.161.116.74 (Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:24:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:24:53 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23909 "They say" swarms usually emerge (or break cluster to migrate to a home-site) between 10 AM and 2 PM. I have seen quite a few take to the air almost exactly _at_ 10 am (as if they had read one of the books!). Occasionally they can even come out a little earlier in the AM -- esp. if it is very warm outside. So it depends. But most are somewhere close to mid-day. Nevertheless, one year, on a humid June day, we had some heavy, gusty thunderstorms move through our area. The storms ended around 5 pm, at which time I happened- to be near one of my yards. I decided to stop by just for a brief visit, and upon my arrival, to my surprise, there was a large swarm in the air, coming down to take possession of a stack of old equipment that had been left there. Considering how low the sun was by then, it was quite a late arrival, and rather unusual. Perhaps they didn't want to risk any more time hanging around on some tree limb, in the rain! Similarly, last August I had a swarm "show up" and move into some old supers here at home, and that was around 4 pm. The scout bees had been checking out the empty hive for several days, weeks, in fact, but even on the day when they finally decided to migrate, they didn't embark until quite late. That was rather surprising -- I expected they might arrive and "move in" on some day during the morning hours, but they postponed til well after the typical "10-to-2" window, for some reason. (It had been balmy and sunny througout the day; not particularly hot outside. They could have migrated anytime.) "L.E.G." wrote: > Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave > the hive?? > I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the > right time). > Thanks > L.E.G. Article 23910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: skunk problem Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:48:14 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8c68u7$p7o$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-157.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 954640135 25848 63.75.191.157 (2 Apr 2000 01:48:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 01:48:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23910 Hello beekeeps. I have a skunk who is stratching at one of my hives. Do you guys have any suggestions on it. Will it mess up the hive? I will either move it, or remove the animal if found. preacher Article 23911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!news.deakin.edu.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> From: Adrian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: natural hive References: <20000331222810.16227.00000310@ng-bh1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:16:47 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.132.57.66 X-Trace: news.deakin.edu.au 954645424 139.132.57.66 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:04 EST Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23911 Jajwuth wrote: > Any body ever try to do beekeeping without the aid of any chemicals. Is it > possible and under what conditions. > This depends on what you mean by chemicals... I have kept hives fairly succesfully without any chemical interferance, and in fact lost FEWER hives than when I was working with a friend who uses proprietary doses of terramycin. (his colonies were WIPED OUT by foul brood) The important thing when not using chemicals is that all equipment can be scrupulously cleaned between hives to reduce the chance of spreading infection, and to know what you are looking for and to be able to isolate a hive IMMEDIATELY of you think there are any problems what so ever. In nearly all agricultural areas, chemicals are only there to make the job easier, not necessarily to make the results any better. After all, just about everything we grow has been grown for thousands of years, without chemicals. I hope this answers your question. Adrian. Article 23912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38E6BF52.45CC5EDE@cybertours.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 22:32:34 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: April2000 issue Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1398966F8C73A5099CD66167" NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.124 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.124 X-Trace: 1 Apr 2000 22:21:20 -0500, 209.222.80.124 Lines: 43 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.124 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23912 --------------1398966F8C73A5099CD66167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! 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  --------------1398966F8C73A5099CD66167-- Article 23913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!news.deakin.edu.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E6B5DD.368085E1@deakin.edu.au> From: Adrian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:52:13 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.132.57.66 X-Trace: news.deakin.edu.au 954643950 139.132.57.66 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:52:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:52:30 EST Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23913 All thwe reading I have done, and all the keepers I have spoken to suggest that most fruit trees and their ornamental relatives are not of particularly great value to bees for either nectar or pollen. They have enough of each to attract bees for pollination, but you will NOT buil up a strong hive exclusively on this type of tree. A friend of mine recommends letting bees build up their stores of honey elsewhere before putitng them to work in orchards. "L.E.G." wrote: > Hi > Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if > any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. > Thanks in advance for your help > L.E.G. Article 23914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hygiene Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Apr 2000 06:25:27 GMT References: <8b6v1u$b5o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402012527.02613.00001399@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23914 I too live in the PNW and I do not have trouble with mold in my hives. I think I should beings I live on the SOUND and 1 block from the boat ramp. You simply need to ventilate properly. Laura Article 23915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggie Feeders Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38e85efa.115531949@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 60 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 10:42:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.244.76.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954672156 209.244.76.127 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:42:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:42:36 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23915 If you use the 'baggie method", watch your hives carefully. Baggies are an inexpensive, efficient way to feed but the same can be said for quickly killing/demoralizing your hive the same way. Most hives are set at an incline to keep moisture off the bottom board. If baggie feeders leak and drip onto the hive you can create REAL problems for that hive. If it's too cold to drink what's dripped, the hive can be subdued by the cold syrup - or create a fanatic robbing session on the next warm day. Either way, that hive is doomed if you don't catch the drip in time. If you find a hive that has syrup dripping to the bottom board - correct the dripping feeder and immediately replace/wash the bottom board of syrup. You also might have to move the hive if robbing has started. Be prepared for robbing by picking out a site to move hives (best, 3+ miles away) and have gear ready to close and move hives at a moments notice (tape, mesh entrance reducer, hive staples, tie-straps). Remember to remove the leftover baggie before you move any hive. Anytime you see robbing, take action immediately. Don't wait to move that hive until nightfall. If the robbing hasn't escalated and the hive is still big enough to fight, you may just need to reduce the entrance - provided you've removed the syrup that attracted the robbers. Tips on using the baggie method: You can refill the bags directly through the slits. Make sure use razor at least 1-2" away from the sides of the bag leaving approx. 3" slits - 1" apart. Three cuts ought to give the bees plenty of space to drink. Make certain these cuts are in opposite direction of the frames to avoid baggies sinking between frames, allowing the slits to drip. Photos on this subject can be found on Barry Birkey's site: http://www.beesource.com/eob/baggie.htm Great beekeeping season to everyone! Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA >What I use is two 1 gallon baggies. I fill them both with 1-1/2 gallons >of syrup. I lay the baggies directly on top of the frames and make two >2 inch slits per bag. >This is really the way to go. Quick and easy and works excellent! >Tim > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 23916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time - evidence Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38ea67bd.117775802@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 10:56:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.244.76.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954672976 209.244.76.127 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:56:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:56:16 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23916 Last summer a swarm ensued from one of my relocated 'feral' colonies just as I was hiving another not five feet away. The bees in the new hive had been dumped and the queen was located and secured into a queen cage (my way to make certain the swarms stay). The new queen was still in my hand. When the hive 'next-door' started to cluster on a nearby branch, I knew their queen had just landed. I place my hand (with the queen) between the swarming bees and their queen. A few minutes later and I had a picture perfect swarm dripping from my bare hand. They were simply shaken into the new hive with the other bees and the pitiful remainder on the branch with the swarm queen was carted off to an observation hive. This took place during the best weather of the day, around 2pm. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:06:41 +0000, "L.E.G." wrote: >Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave >the hive?? >I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the >right time). >Thanks >L.E.G. > Article 23917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another swarm question... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:17:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954695831 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:11 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23917 Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to the original colony? And if so, how close is "too close?" I wonder, might this have implications as regarding competition for local forage (e.g., perhaps a more distant site would be more advantageous due to less competition?) I dimly recall reading a paper that dealt with homesite selection, some years ago, which (I think) indicated that swarms _tend_ to choose sites that are some distance away from the parent colony. Maybe some more recent research has delved into the subject. Might someone on the ng have info about this? In any case, I have often set up old, empty hives in my apiaries to attract stray swarms, and have had them occupied, but I always just figured the swarms came from some distance away. Peter's comments in his recent post suggest that swarms can and do sometimes take possession of empty hives right in the vicinity of the parent colony. Maybe even in the same apiary. So I wonder if this is at all common. Thanks for any info--comments--discussion... Joel nr. Ithaca, NY Article 23918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: black Pierco frames -- ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:22:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954696137 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:22:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:22:17 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23918 why are they offering black now, as well as the white? advantages? Article 23919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E7895F.DDB3384B@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: El cheapo floors & lids? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:46:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954697603 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:46:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:46:43 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23919 Wondering what "minimalist" covers and bottoms might be used by others. Also about combination floors/lids. I use several makeshift combo lids, which are basically 1/2" thick CDX plywood boards cut to fit (same dimensions as the top of a super) and having 3/8" high risers on three edges. When the boards are used as floors, these risers provide the usual bottom entrance across the front of the hive. When used as lids, the flat side of the board is facing down toward the hive body. These seem to work fine, except for a few of them which have warped, either in the hot sun or due to moisture. I did not expect CDX (exterior) plywood to warp, but some of them did. Most stay nice and flat, tho'. I've heard of something called "marine grade" plywood, which might be more reliable, but I'm not quite sure if it is substantially different from regular CDX.(?) (Where might one find this grade plywood, and is it expensive in comparison?) "Migratory" style flat lids are fairly inexpensive, and even used by some northen beekeepers, without inner-covers. But -- how do they hold up, and do the bees winter just as well? Regarding another idea which I have sometimes seen in illustrations, some French beekeepers utilize a very close-fitting sheet-metal telescoping cover, apparently over a wooden inner cover. (Anybody seen these? & is that in fact how they are used?) Seems this type of outer lid would be cheaper and lighter than the usual wooden telescoping cover, while providing similar protection. Interested in any comments, or other ideas for the most inexpensive lids and floors that will serve well, provide adequate protection, and not warp! tnx, J. Article 23920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!triton.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Apr 2000 19:35:47 GMT References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402153547.22358.00000338@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23920 Easy to see eggs and small larvae against black. For us beekeepers with gray hair this is a plus. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another swarm question... Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38ebecc1.151832997@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:24:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.2.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954707077 209.245.2.73 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:24:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:24:37 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23921 Whomever knows exactly why bees choose their homes? It's not uncommon to find houses and trees with multiple hives in different parts. Different colonies can coexist separated only by a piece of wood. It doesn't take a leap of faith to observe bees will pick closer hive sites over far away, simply because the chances of finding it are greater. On more than one occasion I've pulled out multiple feral colonies within 50 yards of each other and the similarities are great. There are many clues in a hive besides bee coloring and temperment. Age of the comb and sightings from home owners are great clues to find approximately where the bees came from. Swarmed out bees will build to roughly the same size & type of comb structure (more burr comb/less; straight or jagged comb; size; etc) as they did in the swarmed out colony. The best clues come from the bees themselves but you can never be sure where the hives really came from. Some homeowners think their 'hives' have been populated for the last twenty-five years......by the same colony. Matthew Westall (posting while I can) // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA >Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> > >Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to >the original colony? > >And if so, how close is "too close?" I wonder, might this have >implications as regarding competition for local forage (e.g., perhaps a >more distant site would be more advantageous due to less competition?) Article 23922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38ecef99.152560475@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:36:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.2.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954707809 209.245.2.73 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:36:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:36:49 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23922 If you call Pierco, Nick will claim the queens lay better because there's less reflection from the sun with black foundation....... Nick isn't a beekeeper and this observation certainly isn't his own. Truth be told, Tom's suggestion that you can see the eggs better is a GREAT advantage in assessing hive strength and queen management to beginners and commercial beekeepers alike. Instead of searching for new white eggs against a white background, you save minutes by quickly finding the newest eggs (and the queen!) against the black foundation. Who doesn't want to save a few minutes managing their hive? Less stress on the bees and less work searching for eggs/queen (queens can be found next to the new eggs 90% of the time). For expedious bee management, buy the black foundation for the deeps and white for honey supers. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:22:17 GMT, JGinNY wrote: >why are they offering black now, as well as the white? >advantages? > Article 23923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:21:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23923 As a injection molding tech. Id say they offer black because its cheaper to make. You can use recycled plastic and the contamination isnt visable. I'm sure they dont pass that reduced cost on to you but thats the reason they do it. Dave JGinNY wrote in message <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu>... >why are they offering black now, as well as the white? >advantages? > Article 23924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:15:42 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954711441 28440 62.136.3.41 (2 Apr 2000 21:37:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 21:37:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23924 You need to be sure that this is chalkbrood. Have a look at the brood in the hive - larvae killed by chalkbrood usually look like mouldy pollen in the cells (white or greyish). There is one key difference between chalkbrood and mouldy pollen and that is that chalkbrood does not affect the head of the larva - so you will always see a yellow dot in the middle of white or grey mass as you look at the cell. Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started treating varroa with thymol crystals. Rodney Moore wrote in message news:2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are > carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. > Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the > ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are > they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth > larvae. Could this have something to do with it? > Article 23925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another swarm question... Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:04:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954718361 nnrp-06:29663 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 47 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23925 In article <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu>, JGinNY writes >Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> > >Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to >the original colony? No comment on how common. I had a swarm move to a bait hive 4 or 5 feet away and 6 feet in the air last year. I had a friend report on a colony in the side of his house swarm and then move to the other face of the house behind the wooden facing. He didn't say if it went directly or via a tree. I also housed a swarm, which I had allowed to emerge, 5 miles away but it moved to a bigger hive 20 feet away full of old comb. It actually left a half a frame of brood. I had a swarm move to a tree and later to a bait hive about 40 feet from the swarmed stock. I had thought it had come from elsewhere until I looked in what had been a bait hive the previous year which had attracted a swarm from somewhere, possibly a neglected colony about 200 yards away (owner died, empty house). But since I have had a swarm, which I hived on the old site (with the swarmed stock above it, entrance the other way), leave after it produced 3 frames of brood, I now always do the full business: move them 3 miles or more, throw them on to a cloth and let them climb up. I have lost swarms when there were bait hives in the apiary on occasion, so I must presume they go any distance depending on what the scouts find. I have a friend who took a swarm from a tree in his garden which he saw coming over open country from the direction of an apiary over 3 miles away. Since there was no bait hive, which they might have chosen, I can only presume they were on their way somewhere much further and needed a break from flying. I don't know the weather or time of day. I have also walked with a swarm in a direct line to the corner of the roof of a large house where I had seen bees taking a look. Fortunately it started to rain and they collected in a tree at a height easy to take, unlike the tree they had gone into. If I was right about the target, it was about a hundred yards from the hive. I do inspect on a 7 day basis but occasionally miss out. That's when Murphy's law of swarm prevention comes in. They go when you turn your back (i.e. on the 8th day when you don't go). -- James Kilty Article 23926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 01:08:08 GMT References: <8c68u7$p7o$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402210808.16505.00000438@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23926 Put down nail boards around front of hive. Use bungee cords to keep the cover from being knocked off. I use an asphalt shingle with nails pushed through for my nail board, because 1) the nails go through with the push of my hand so there is no hammering to give you carpal tunnel, and 2) when you step on nails sticking through an asphalt shingle, they tend to lean to the side rather than going through your shoe. In my successful experience thwarting skunks and raccoons, soft paws are not risked on sharp nails. Article 23927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: natural hive Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 01:13:52 GMT References: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23927 Adrian wrote: <> Terramycin is not a chemical. TM is derived from a naturally occuring substance. It's manufactured from fungi. Terramycin is listed in a chart titled "Pesticides Often Accepted for Use On or Around Some Types of Organically Grown Produce" in a book called "Pests of the Garden and Small Farm" (2nd edition) by Mary Louise Flint, director of IPM Education and Publications for the California IPM Project, and an extension entomologist at UC Davis. The book was published in 1998, so until the new U.S. federal regs. kicked in recently, this was probably the most current thinking on organic pesticide use in the state of California, and maybe nationally. California regulations are significant nationwide because so much of its produce is sold elsewhere. I've purchased organics in Massachusetts marked "Certified Organic in the State of California." Article 23928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: alizax@aol.com (Alizax) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 01:32:06 GMT References: <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402213206.07339.00000457@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23928 Thank you all for your replies. Another questions relating to below: >We've got a similar situation here now. About a week ago I moved some bees out of a wall into a hive box and left some comb with honey, pollen, bee larvae, and a few dead bees in a plastic bowl. Finally last night I set up a funnel and cloth filter to let it drain for a couple of days into a jar. Of course I will die too, but it won't be from eating the honey. :-) Just to make sure I understand: There were quite a few bees plus who knows what in the baggie--for a week!!! No poison. I did strain the honey through a sieve and several layers of cheesecloth, which did the trick. The honey is good, but it has a little taste: are you sure I'm not tasting essence of dead bee? Thanks, again, --A little squeamish in L.A. Article 23929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:23:25 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 60 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust177.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8c92e4$cnl$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> <38ecef99.152560475@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust177.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23929 > >why are they offering black now, as well as the white? > >advantages? > Truth be told, Tom's suggestion that you can see the eggs better is a > GREAT advantage in assessing hive strength and queen management to > beginners and commercial beekeepers alike. That's one thing. The other is that I demanded it when I bought 10,000. I think others did too. We discussed this on BEE-L and the consensus grew. I remember when they experimented with green (ugh). I came across one in the brood chamber the other day. Why did I want black? Actually I wanted a deep chocolate brown, but they could not get it at a cost I could afford. I wanted that colour because we used to produce tens of thousands of Ross Rounds (See http://www.RossRounds.com ). We had RR frames that were white, frames that were light brown, and frames that were the deep brown they sell today. Our (non-beekeeper) staff that unloaded the frames and packaged the combs always remarked that the bees made more and better combs in the dark frames. Was it the colour, or some other subtle difference, I don't know, but I do know that I did not want to take a chance when I could get a dark colour. Also, white Pierco frames soon look dirty. Is black *really* better? I don't know, but -- if I am not telling tales out of school -- a researcher will be testing ten hives started on white Permadent against ten colonies started on black Permadent this summer. Stay tuned. We know that black bodies and white bodies react differently in respect to heat radiation. If we see a difference in performance, then we can make up a theory. Speaking of Pierco, did you know that the Pierco foundation uses a slightly smaller cell size (~5.25mm) than other foundation (~5.4mm)? A frame of Pierco holds 20% more brood than a frame of Permadent, partly due to the smaller cell, and partly due to the smaller top bar . That additional brood density can be important in the spring in the north country when a few old bees try to cover as much brood as they can feed. As for the question of cell size, do larger cells make larger bees? MAYBE. Work from the beginning of the last century seemed to show that to be true -- but only by a small amount. Are bigger bees any better? Who knows. They are in theory -- some theory, at least., but recently, the trend has been to think that smaller cells are better. If the people who say that are right, then Pierco has stolen a march on all the other foundation producers. Visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ to find out more about this and other fascinating topics. There is some discussion of colour of foundation in the BEE-L logs (can bees see in the dark?) and sci.ag.bee archives. Both are easily accessible from link at the top of the page. Also some ideas on the new worker cell size controversy can be found on the "Comparing Worker Comb" link. If you have top bar hives, have some swarm-made wild comb around, or live outside North America, we particularly want to hear from you. allen Article 23930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:11:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8c9u90$l2b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000402213206.07339.00000457@ng-ct1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.49 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 03 11:11:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.49 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23930 In article <20000402213206.07339.00000457@ng-ct1.aol.com>, alizax@aol.com (Alizax) wrote: ... The honey is good, but it has a little taste: are you sure I'm not tasting essence of dead bee? > Thanks, again, > --A little squeamish in L.A. Dear squeamish, Entirely possible but I don't know what dead bees taste like. I've eaten larvae right out of the cells and they don't have much taste at all. My recommendation (for you, not me) is to taste a dead bee and see if you pick up the same taste. :-) Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:39:01 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38E8E545.AEE44D9A@riverace.com> References: <8c68u7$p7o$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hgPqWPDdPINIC/WGGokgU66c7Fp165C3n7zFF+yDAyA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 18:39:03 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23931 You can roll up a piece of 4-5 ft chicken wire into a roll about 1 ft diameter. Put it in front of the hive entrance. Skunks don't like to walk on the wire. You can also raise your hive(s) about 8-12 inches higher off the ground - if skunks have to get up on their hind feet to reach the opening, they expose their underbellies which are significantly more prone to stings. -Steve Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > Hello beekeeps. > I have a skunk who is stratching at one of my hives. Do you guys have any > suggestions on it. > Will it mess up the hive? I will either move it, or remove the animal if > found. > preacher -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mapping bee wings Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:01:07 GMT Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-11.porcupine-puffer.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 954799674 3119 62.137.50.139 (3 Apr 2000 22:07:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 22:07:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23932 Somebody I heard the other day was discussing a method by which you could section the wing of a bee and make a graph from the various veins etc to confirm the strain of bee you have is consistent. Does anybody have more info on this? What is it called? Any idea where I can read more about it? Thanks Steve Newport Article 23933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another swarm question... Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:43:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8cb78b$5jg$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-236.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 954802251 5744 62.136.11.236 (3 Apr 2000 22:50:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 22:50:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23933 Preferred distance is said to be a quarter of a mile. JGinNY wrote in message news:38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu... > Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> > > Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to > the original colony? > Article 23934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38E7895F.DDB3384B@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: El cheapo floors & lids? Lines: 54 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954805301 12.72.41.88 (Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:41 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23934 I make all my bottoms and tops (migratory) out of 1 x 6 rough redwood fencing boards. Cheap, decay resistant, stable, and easy to work with. The only disadvantage is that the nice bright white paint soon turns pink! Left unpainted, it will weather to a nice gray color. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JGinNY" wrote in message news:38E7895F.DDB3384B@cornell.edu... > Wondering what "minimalist" covers and bottoms might be used by others. > Also about combination floors/lids. > > I use several makeshift combo lids, which are basically 1/2" thick CDX > plywood boards cut to fit (same dimensions as the top of a super) and > having 3/8" high risers on three edges. When the boards are used as > floors, these risers provide the usual bottom entrance across the front > of the hive. When used as lids, the flat side of the board is facing > down toward the hive body. > > These seem to work fine, except for a few of them which have warped, > either in the hot sun or due to moisture. I did not expect CDX > (exterior) plywood to warp, but some of them did. Most stay nice and > flat, tho'. > > I've heard of something called "marine grade" plywood, which might be > more reliable, but I'm not quite sure if it is substantially different > from regular CDX.(?) (Where might one find this grade plywood, and is > it expensive in comparison?) > > "Migratory" style flat lids are fairly inexpensive, and even used by > some northen beekeepers, without inner-covers. But -- how do they hold > up, and do the bees winter just as well? > > Regarding another idea which I have sometimes seen in illustrations, > some French beekeepers utilize a very close-fitting sheet-metal > telescoping cover, apparently over a wooden inner cover. (Anybody seen > these? & is that in fact how they are used?) Seems this type of outer > lid would be cheaper and lighter than the usual wooden telescoping > cover, while providing similar protection. > > Interested in any comments, or other ideas for the most inexpensive lids > and floors that will serve well, provide adequate protection, and not > warp! > > tnx, > J. Article 23935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954805299 12.72.41.88 (Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23935 I use Pierco almost exclusively. When I cull old wood/wax frames, the wax is replaced with snap-in plastic if the wood is still serviceable. So I am a big fan of plastics (remember "The Graduate"). I think the argument that eggs are more visible against the black is a short-lived advantage as the white will take on a brown color as brood are reared. I have stayed away from the black for only 1 reason. Our summers are typically over 105 F and all that black just absorbs too much heat when working the hives. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JGinNY" wrote in message news:38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu... > why are they offering black now, as well as the white? > advantages? > Article 23936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net> Subject: Re: Mapping bee wings Lines: 26 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:43:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.232.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 954830665 159.134.232.64 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:44:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:44:25 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23936 It is called morphology, and is a method by measuring various features f bees to determine the race of the bees and whether they are hybrids. for the wings you need to get a good enlargement of the wings and then take the ratio of the length of two particular veins in the wing. The alignment of the veins is also important. Further information is available in "THE DARK EUROPEAN HONEY BEE" available from BIBBA. Ruary Rudd rrudd@eircom.net Steve Newport wrote in message news:38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net... > Somebody I heard the other day was discussing a method by which you > could section the wing of a bee and make a graph from the various > veins etc to confirm the strain of bee you have is consistent. > > Does anybody have more info on this? > What is it called? > Any idea where I can read more about it? > > Thanks > Steve Newport Article 23937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: excluders? TO use or not to use? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:04:41 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-04.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 954864281 21941 129.101.6.210 (4 Apr 2000 16:04:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2000 16:04:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23937 My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body (rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. Article 23938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Lines: 48 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954870153 12.72.47.225 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23938 A QX will not by itself cause the bees to swarm. I assume the QX was on top of the deep and medium since you say this is the brood chamber. If the bees are reluctant to go thru the QX then the bodies below can become "plugged" with nectar. The best way to overcome this reluctance is to provide an entrance above the QX. This can be done in several ways but the quickest is to just stager the supers forward about 1/2". Just because the guru doesn't use them doesn't mean they are bad. There are many ways to keep bees properly and probably more ways to keep them improperly. Some queens have a tendency to go up as high as they can and some will stay below so the decision to use a QX can be made on an individual colony basis. If I find a queen starts to lay in the first super when there is plenty of room below, I will put her below and add a QX. If I want comb honey, they ALWAYS get a QX before I add the super. If you find a bunch of brood in your honey supers that you want to harvest, find the queen and put her below a QX. After 3 weeks there will be no more brood above the QX. Other things to consider: How old is the queen? What race of bees? (some have a high tendency to swarm) Is 1 deep and 1 medium enough of a brood chamber? (consider 2 deep or 3 medium) Did reversing contribute to the problem? (poorly timed it can make things worse) -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu... > My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has > three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru > stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and > said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with > harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that > is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body > (rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium > bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. > Article 23939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive splits Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:26:29 -0400 Organization: Information Technology, Lambton College Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38EA25C5.A28D590@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23939 I currently have two hives and would like to double that this spring. I was wondering what is the best way to perform a hive split. I understand that requeening from a reputable supplier is best to minimize 'down time' and also to promote particular traits. (mite resitance, etc). Should I distance the 'new' hive from the old one? thanks, -- Mark Veltman Article 23940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A.Poluektov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:40:38 +0400 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip45.parma.ru Message-ID: <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.parma.ru X-Trace: 4 Apr 2000 14:30:55 +0400, ns.parma.ru Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news2.aha.ru!news.rosprint.net!news.parma.ru!ip45.parma.ru Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23940 >Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it >has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started >treating varroa with thymol crystals. > Peter, give please me the answer. Than you treated earlier varroa? The last five years I treated varroa by a remedy of which contains amitraz. And all five years I have chalkbrood. Now I think that this remedy probably promotes increase chalkbrood. A this year I want to try treating with thymol crystals. How you it carry out? Andrey Article 23941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New pages - 2000 - from the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:25:48 +0200 Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 73 Message-ID: <8ccn82$pvp$2@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: integ-bordeaux-107-137.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 954851394 26617 193.250.109.137 (4 Apr 2000 12:29:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2000 12:29:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23941 Go to http://www.beekeeping.com/ and you can find new pages : 29/03/00 - À propos des antibiotiques en usage apicole - Jean-Marie Barbançon 29/03/00 - Himalayan ceranaid: development assistance to preserve and promote Apis cerana beekeeping in Nepal - Conrad Bérubé 28/03/00 - Nassenheider Beekeeping equipment 28/03/00 - Des Locomotives et des Abeilles Livre de Lucien Adam 28/03/00 - Le Guide de l'Apiculteu Livre (nouvelle édition) de Jean-Marie Philippe 28/03/00 - Secrets de plantes dévoilés par un apiculteur Livre de Jean Hannoteaux 27/03/00 - The Sensory Basis of the Honeybee's Dance - Language W.H. 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G. ;-)) Gilles RATIA Apiservices Article 23942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:43:20 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8cdo4u$oeq$2@front4m.grolier.fr> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-62-68.wly.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4m.grolier.fr 954885086 25050 213.44.62.68 (4 Apr 2000 21:51:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2000 21:51:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23942 Hi, One trick I was told to be very efficient is to pour one handful of kitchen salt once a week two or three time into the hive. Just try.... -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ A.Poluektov a écrit dans le message : 38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru... > >Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it > >has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started > >treating varroa with thymol crystals. > > > Peter, give please me the answer. > Than you treated earlier varroa? > The last five years I treated varroa by a remedy of which contains amitraz. > And all five years I have chalkbrood. > Now I think that this remedy probably promotes increase chalkbrood. > A this year I want to try treating with thymol crystals. > How you it carry out? > Andrey > > Article 23943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: maevesvole@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1 box 2 queens Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:31:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8cdu0o$3u8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.47.217.79 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 23:31:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.47.217.79 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjohnmaeve Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23943 I was planning on starting a hive this spring and have ordered a box of bees (4 pounds and a queen) which arrives in a couple of weeks I have now decided that two hives would be better than one. Is there any rule against just getting another queen ($10 instead of $50 for another package) and splitting the 4# package between the two hives? They'll be starting w/ drawn comb in the brood boxes (I bought from someone getting out of beekeeping.) I figure that if I start feeding right away (in addition to some frames of honey left in the brood boxes) and they have brood comb already drawn, then the queen can start laying right away. That in combination with the nectar flow of fruit trees in Seattle (where the bees will be) should give them plenty of access to food. I'm hoping this will overcome the fact that each hive only starts w/ 2# each. Any thoughts on this arrangement? John Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hanging on front of hive Message-ID: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 7 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 954864043 216.80.168.199 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:00:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:00:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23944 I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Message-ID: <38ea83d6.32953245@news.usit.net> References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:14:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 954893669 216.80.168.200 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:14:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:14:29 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23945 If this means this hive is ready to swarm what should I do? I have a new hive set up beside this hive with 10 plastic frames not drawn and no new queen. I do have to go to work tomorrow is there any way of containing these bees till tomorrow afternoon at best. What steps do I take to prepare this new hive? I have another swarm trap setup a few feet away. On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on >front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This >morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full >or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in >southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and >is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are >all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where 'o' where to put it Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:38:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.29.69.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 01 03:05:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.29.69.104 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23946 Is there an ideal location to place a hive? How much direct sun light and/or shade? Can it be placed on edge of wood lot? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!test-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:31:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38EA978D.62D5F02E@kingston.net> References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23947 I too would agree with George. It sounds like they may be preparing to swarm. Check for swarm cells is the only sure sign. If you find them you could try splitting the hive. Move the queen and brood to the new hive and leave a swarm cell behind and let the hive requeen itself. All the foragers will be in the original. It's like your simulating a swarm. Good luck. Kent Article 23948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EA54A2.853E5ABE@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:46:27 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed References: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn13.c5200-4.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954898642 6894 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23948 Hi Bill and Cherry Bee's don't like to get wet, waterhose every night should do it. Anyway I wanted to ask you what do you give your dog for beestings? Mine(Lab) got a sting the other day, above the eye and it swelled a bit(cro-magnon dog) and was gone in about 8 hrs. Thanks L.E.G. Bill & Cherry wrote: > Hello, > > We've had a swarm/hive/herd/pack/bunch (?) of bees move in under our storage > shed and want to encourage them to move somewhere else. Are there any > non-toxic methods that will work? We don't want to and can't use pesticides > because tortoises also live under the shed. The bees don't appear to be > aggressive but one of the dogs is allergic to bee stings and I'm afraid of > them. My fear, irrational or not, has made it impossible for me to enjoy > the backyard. If anyone has any suggestions or advise it would be > appreciated. We are located in Central Arizona. > > Thanks for your assistance. > > Cherry Article 23949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EA599C.17150797@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:07:40 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn13.c5200-4.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954899916 6896 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23949 Have you put on honeysupers yet? I'll bet it was above 70 degrees! All the hives I've seen (strong one's) ventilate the hive when temps. rise. I don't think a hand full of bees at entrance is swarm warning.In the past I've seen a bucket full on outside of hive in the 90 degree plus days. "gfdavis"@usit.net\"\" wrote: > I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on > front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This > morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full > or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in > southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and > is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are > all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ct.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Val Garden72P" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000319164656.18750.00002604@ng-fq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: plants Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 02:58:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.7.10.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ct.home.com 954903480 24.7.10.83 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:58:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:58:00 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23950 Witch Hazel blooms in the fall here in New England - after the frost, and as its leaves are just falling.... Pussy Willows are a great early spring flower, lots of them turning yellow now. Dandelions are big, quickly followed by so many of the spring wildflowers. Mustard, especially... And soon, the long blue tassels of wisteria. For all-summer blooming, quite a few roses that were crossed with the Asian roses will bloom repeatedly through the summer - makes a nice thorny addition to a fence, extra deterrant for invaders but pretty, too. For quick-growing vines (die back to the ground each year) it's hard to beat HOPS. Yes, hops such as one flavors/preserves beer with. Lots of flowers, they are green however and not a huge color contrast. Smell good, though. Plenty of other nice viney things, have fun! Val BeeCrofter wrote in message news:20000319164656.18750.00002604@ng-fq1.aol.com... > Once it is warm the bees can go for miles. What is really benneficial is an > early source of pollen closae at hand. Pussy Willows ,Witch Hazel come to mind > first > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where 'o' where to put it Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:20:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8cebe7$ihb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 03:20:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23951 , > 2smart2late@my-deja.com wrote: > Is there an ideal location to place a hive? ****************************************************** Howdy 2-2 -- We find feral bees in all sorts of loctions, -- But if you have a choice, at the edge of woods facing East. Early morning sunlight will wake them up and the woods will shade to help prevent overheating in the hottest part of the day. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1 box 2 queens Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:27:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8cebqm$j3b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cdu0o$3u8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 03:27:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23952 maevesvole@aol.com wrote: > I'm hoping this will overcome the fact that each hive only > starts w/ 2# each. > Any thoughts on this arrangement? > > John **************************************************** Howdy John -- You should do ok with this plan. I have started with 2# pkgs successfully, but it is slower than the larger packages. Continue to feed liberally in order to build up the colony and don't expect surplus honey this year. You might luck out and get a dab though. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Lines: 22 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954870152 12.72.47.225 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23953 Since you say "very strong" "2nd year (old queen)" and "bees on front of hive" I would hazard to say they are preparing to swarm. Have you inspected the colony? If you find sealed queen cells, split now or say bye-bye. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net... > I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on > front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This > morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full > or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in > southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and > is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are > all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:20:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8cdbo7$es0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.92 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 18:20:09 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.92 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23954 In article <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu>, Matthew Pollard wrote: > My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has > three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru > stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and > said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with > harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that > is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body > (rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium > bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. > > I learned from an old-timer here in Maine that the "excluder" goes by 2 names... QUEEN excluder and HONEY excluder. I've never used one for that reason but, have had the same question as you have. Here's my experience. I harvested 105 pounds of honey from a single colony last year without an excluder. During the spring I noticed that the queen had indeed moved up the 2 deep brood chambers into the lowest honey super and had laid eggs in the bottom 1-2 inches of frames. I was wondering how I would be able to extract honey from the frames without getting bee larvae along with it, but, when the 2 honey supers were full and ready to be extracted, there wasn't a single bit of brood left in any of the 2 supers. The bees had filled in all the cells and capped them all. One of the most beautiful sights in the world. After getting 2 supers full of honey early in the season, I even managed to get another 35-40 lbs. from the same hive in the fall. My girls did a good job !! This was also during a summer drought. So, needless to say, I won't be investing any money in excluders. Your GURU seems to be hitting the nail on the head. Your sister might be well advised to provide 2 DEEP brood chambers for her colony and using the mediums for honey supers. This will allow the bees more room and less of a tendency to swarm. Well, that's my two cents. Good Luck!! Paul B. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: High tension near hives? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Apr 2000 11:42:07 GMT References: <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000405074207.15526.00000768@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23955 I have two locations under the big high tension lines. No different than any other bee yard. On a damp day the bzzzap sound is interesting. You might want to let the power company know where they are to the nearest tower in case they get a bit nuts with herbicides as the land under power lines is usually their right of way and the hives can do without an herbicide drench. The weeds make for shorter nectar dearths too. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Book? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Apr 2000 17:50:55 GMT References: <38EB5849.10169A23@uidaho.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000405135055.12810.00001209@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23956 From: Matthew Pollard poll7356@uidaho.edu >My sister (who has my hives now :-( birthday is tomorrow.... what > beekeeping book is generally recommened? I like Diana Sammatauro's Beekeeper's Handbook, listed, along with other resources at: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:09:28 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 44 Message-ID: <38EB6538.79A4C7F6@riverace.com> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: aREJltaWYyACJqV6/grLyt8qK98MFrPHOUhFBzf7uA8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2000 16:09:31 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23957 Rodney Moore wrote: > > I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are > carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. > Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the > ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are > they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth > larvae. Could this have something to do with it? The wax moth is most likely a result of the weak colony not defending itself against them. It's probably not causative. "Honey Bee Pests, Predators, and Diseases" is a great book and this info is abstracted from it: - Chalkbrood is a fungal disease of honey bee larvae. Diseased larvae become mummified. The mummies are white, owing to the mycelium of the fungus. If large numbers of fruiting bodies are formed, however, the mummies become dark gray or black. - The disease is transient and not considered serious, although endemic infection can be persistent and damaging. - Chilling of the larvae immediately after they are sealed in their cells increases susceptibility. Poor ventilation seems to contribute as well. It seems to occur more often in colonies which were first weakened by some other problem such as tracheal mites. Also check for nosema. - You can spread the fungus to other hives on your clothes or tools, so be careful. - If it's severe, destroy the combs and replace with new foundation. - There is no chemotherapeutic agent registered in the US for control. Some studies have shown thymol to be effective. Identifying and reducing the colony stress factors, and adding new, young bees and larvae and feeding with sugar syrup are the most common ways of dealing with chalkbrood. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (John Ponder) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Book? Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:45:59 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38eccb2f.68925190@news.mindspring.com> References: <38EB5849.10169A23@uidaho.edu> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.01.f4 X-Server-Date: 5 Apr 2000 17:53:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23958 Hi Matthew, I have just started reading about bees; I bought one book and got two from the library. "Guide to BEES & HONEY", Ted Hooper and "BEES and BEEKEEPING",Irmgard Diemer were at the Lib. GTB&H was an older book with massive amounts of info but few pictures and diagrams. BandBeekeeping had lots of color photos and was a little easier to understand. The books really complimented each other and both together I learned alot from them. I now have a general sense of beekeeping but I have never even seen a hive; that will change soon. Hope that helps John readMatthew Pollard wrote: >My sister (who has my hives now :-( birthday is tomorrow.... what > beekeeping book is generally recommened? >Thanks. >-Matthew > > Article 23959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "ÅõÜããåëïò ÊáñáêÜóçò" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EZY System of royal jelly and queen. Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:43:08 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8cg1mi$r5u$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate-a07.otenet.gr X-Trace: newssrv.otenet.gr 954960402 27838 195.167.113.198 (5 Apr 2000 18:46:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2000 18:46:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23959 please who knows somthing about EZY system on royal jelly and queen bees production? From where can I buy this system? please sent me an E-mail papamel@otenet.gr thanks Article 23960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-180-196.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Houston, We Have a Problem Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:22:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 40 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b4.c4 X-Server-Date: 5 Apr 2000 19:23:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23960 Greetings, all... I've been out of town for a few weeks, and I've come home to a problem with my hive. Today is very warm here in COSprings, so I opened up the hive, and found the following: 1) Lots of honey 2) Very few bees 3) No queen 4) Bees bringing pollen into the hive 5) Some dead larvae: Nearly fully developed bees in the cells, some closed, some nearly so, but all looking, well, looking rather "rotten." They were black, very mushy, and some were completely gooey... brown goo... stuck to the end of the pocket knife I was using to extract them, but did not stick to the cell... There are mebbe a dozen or so like this throughout the hive. 6) No foul odor My first thought was to order a new queen (and mebbe a pound of bees) immediately, then Ithought that it might be OK to continue feeding them (I had done so before I left town), and let them raise their own queen. My gut's telling me to order a new queen, but not the bees, because I don't know if it's cool to introduce new bees into a hive that already has bees. I really appreciate your quick response, thoughts, and suggestions. Peace- -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 23961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Don in NC Subject: Re: Where 'o' where to put it Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <05730fbe.59dfcaed@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com> Lines: 11 Bytes: 419 X-Originating-Host: 63.21.144.83 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Wren-Trace: eMzpwcDZntSfiM7N2p7MwNL/zMzG2IDf2cONzMrVldqQhN6cjN2Nlo6Vmw== Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:51:09 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.50 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 954964505 10.0.2.50 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:55:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:55:05 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23961 In article <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, 2smart2late@my-deja.com wrote: > Is there an ideal location to place a hive? How > much direct sun light and/or shade? Can it be > placed on edge of wood lot? > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Don in NC Subject: Re: Where 'o' where to put it Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <06c799a4.58066ab0@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com> Lines: 7 Bytes: 329 X-Originating-Host: 63.21.144.83 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Wren-Trace: eCEELC00czlyZSMgN3MhLT8SISErNW0yNC5gISc4eDd9aTNxYTBge2N4dg== Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:44:03 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.50 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 954963651 10.0.2.50 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:40:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:40:51 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23962 Your hive needs to face South and get the early morning sun and shade in the afternoon. There ane many varibles to placing a hive: yard space, neighbors, just to mention two. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: High tension near hives? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:33:00 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.236.68 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 954916384 212.151.236.68 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:33:04 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:33:04 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23963 Hello, I have a friend, who wants me to put some of my hives near his rape fields this spring. The place, where he wants me to put them is near a high voltage line. Do the bees have any problem with that? How close can I put them? Thanks! 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  --------------7F6991C94D8372C2E4C0A17D-- Article 23965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kennyp3618@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:19:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8cgakf$pvc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> <8cdbo7$es0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.56.164.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 21:19:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 147.56.164.37 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkennyp3618 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23965 In article <8cdbo7$es0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,Doesn't this cause problems with > > harvesting, etc?? My experience is limited, but I did without one last year & didn't have any problems. I did, however, find the brood chamber so full of honey that there wasn't much room for babies so mid-year I pulled a couple of the outside frames & put in a couple of frames of undrawn foundation in the middle. That kept 'em out of trouble for awhile. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave2!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Houston, We Have a Problem Lines: 59 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:34:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954974055 12.72.42.146 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:34:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:34:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23966 Before you can determine what action to take, you need to find out what caused this. If it is not AFB you are better off starting over rather than spend a lot of time and money to save something that won' be productive anyway. Doesn't sound like they will be successful in raising a queen on their own. If they have been queenless for more than 5 days it is hopeless. Tell us more about your preparations last fall. Did you use TM? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:HiStretch-0504001222530001@pool-207-205-180-196.phnx.grid.net... > Greetings, all... > > I've been out of town for a few weeks, and I've come home to a problem > with my hive. > > Today is very warm here in COSprings, so I opened up the hive, and found > the following: > > 1) Lots of honey > > 2) Very few bees > > 3) No queen > > 4) Bees bringing pollen into the hive > > 5) Some dead larvae: Nearly fully developed bees in the cells, some > closed, some nearly so, but all looking, well, looking rather "rotten." > They were black, very mushy, and some were completely gooey... brown > goo... stuck to the end of the pocket knife I was using to extract them, > but did not stick to the cell... There are mebbe a dozen or so like this > throughout the hive. > > 6) No foul odor > > My first thought was to order a new queen (and mebbe a pound of bees) > immediately, then Ithought that it might be OK to continue feeding them (I > had done so before I left town), and let them raise their own queen. My > gut's telling me to order a new queen, but not the bees, because I don't > know if it's cool to introduce new bees into a hive that already has bees. > > I really appreciate your quick response, thoughts, and suggestions. > > Peace- > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 23967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Complete Hive for Sale!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:40:36 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23967 Hey fellow beekeepers and new-beekeepers! I have a complete NEW hive body, with bottom screen, and Duragult foundation! With a medium size swarm of healthy bees, which has started to take up housekeeping! !!!FOR SALE!! I have run out of room in my apiary, 4 hives is enough in the suburbs of Roswell Georgia! Please email me if your interested!!!! spalmer@gw.total-web.net Thank you, Don Palmer Article 23968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8b2lng$nu5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: UK Beekeeping Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:04:13 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.36.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 954972248 62.252.36.28 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:04:08 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:04:08 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23968 Hello Freddie I couldn't agree more, the only problem is that I could not find one if it jumped up and stung me let alone set on up. Sounds a good idea for UK members to get together. Surely with all the local BKA's we have there must be someone on the task. I will be attending Stoneleigh in two weeks time for the national. I will ask some questions. Will you be there? Regards Freddie Cooke wrote in message <8b2lng$nu5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Hi there, >This is a great place for reading of and chatting to fellow beekeepers >world-wide but I would also like to be able to find a news group for those >of us in the UK. >Why? Well although there are a lot of things we all have in common there >are times, like when wants practical help at hand, like locating bees for >sale locally, that it would be nice to be able to find UK keepers fast. > >I know you all find it difficult to tell where everyone is from even >sometimes after reading their post. > >does anyone know of a specific UK group please? > >Regards Freddie. > > Article 23969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:23:24 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.36.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 954973405 62.252.36.28 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:23:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:23:25 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23969 I would always use excluders. If you use drone foundation in your supers you could have one big problem with huge quantities of drone being laid. Even if you use worker foundation, once the cell has been used for laying and the bee has hatched you cannot then use it for honey storage. I am pretty sure of that. If your problem is space, put the brood on what we call a brood and a half. Or top up your weak colonies with brood from this one in exchange for frames of empty cells. Others may dissagree. My advice, if you want good honey, use excluders. Steve from UK Matthew Pollard wrote in message <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu>... >My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has >three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru >stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and >said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with >harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that >is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body >(rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium >bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. > Article 23970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: High tension near hives? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:06:00 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6h4PSOAYb864EwsG@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954976799 nnrp-13:23515 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23970 In article <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk>, Murray McGregor writes >One of our very best locations is contained within the square of the >four legs of a very large junction pylon, as it is the only uncultivated >piece of groung around the fields of a particular farm. The power lines >in question are 330000 volt, and there are 8 pairs of them. It is an >active line and you can hear it buzzing a lot of the time. (The pylon is >so large in the base that we can drive a van through the centre and >still have space for 12 four hive pallets in there.) > >This location is highly productive and there is no problem with bee >temperament or navigation. We have been using this particular spot for >around 20 years. snip Now that has to be the definitive answer!! Whilst the pylon might shield the hives from 50hz e.m. radiation, as soon as the bees get outside they will get the maximum they would ever be likely to experience anywhere. So any other lower voltage pylon would give out much less. Though I suppose an electrical engineer might come up with a few figures based on typical *currents*, distances and line spacing, I am happy to tell my students not to listen to arguments about power lines. In any case there is some definitive research on it giving the same conclusion whose reference I have mislaid. -- James Kilty Article 23971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Paper Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:33:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.176 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 23:33:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.176 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23971 Another day of sore thumbs from small nails and a tack hammer but we finally have all the frames put together. Now the relatively easy job of installing foundation, which we ordered with wires. But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on one side? Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: High tension near hives? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:07:20 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954929763 nnrp-13:2724 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 48 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23972 In article , STIG HANSSON writes >Hello, >I have a friend, who wants me to put some of my hives near his rape fields >this spring. The place, where he wants me to put them is near a high voltage >line. Do the bees have any problem with that? How close can I put them? >Thanks! >Doris > > This was debated at some length a long while back, and quite a few people cautioned strongly against it, for a variety of reasons varying from strong magnetic fields to interesting 'new age' style theories I could make no sense of. HOWEVER We do not avoid power lines. We find it makes absolutely zero difference in all the ways highlighted as problems by others. One of our very best locations is contained within the square of the four legs of a very large junction pylon, as it is the only uncultivated piece of groung around the fields of a particular farm. The power lines in question are 330000 volt, and there are 8 pairs of them. It is an active line and you can hear it buzzing a lot of the time. (The pylon is so large in the base that we can drive a van through the centre and still have space for 12 four hive pallets in there.) This location is highly productive and there is no problem with bee temperament or navigation. We have been using this particular spot for around 20 years. From our direct experience at this and numerous other locations, there is no difficulty caused by these lines. We also site adjacent to transformer stations and all in all we have probably had 100 locations close to or under power lines or installations over the last 20 years. So, do not be scared off by stories about these lines, rather judge every location on its own merits as a bee location. Forage, orientation, and topography are much more important. Hope this is of some help Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 23973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: alizax@aol.com (Alizax) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Apr 2000 00:46:30 GMT References: <8c9u90$l2b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000405204630.01064.00000069@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23973 >My recommendation (for you, not me) is to taste a dead bee and see >if you pick up the same taste. :-) Thank you, Herb. I've come to love de bee mort :0 (with a french accent) :) Article 23974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paper Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:39:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8cgmbo$71v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 06 00:39:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23974 herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to > chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on >one side? > > Herb **************************************************** Howdy Herb -- Herb, you jest ? But just in case -- the separator paper is just to keep the sheets of foundation from sticking together. Take it off before installing in frames. Of course the bees WILL chew it off if left on (pretty quickly). Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Book? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:07:48 +0100 Message-ID: <7hvPiTAEd864EwsN@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <38EB5849.10169A23@uidaho.edu> <38eccb2f.68925190@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954976800 nnrp-13:23515 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23975 In article <38eccb2f.68925190@news.mindspring.com>, John Ponder writes >"BEES and >BEEKEEPING",Irmgard Diemer were at the Lib. snip >BandBeekeeping had lots of color photos and was a little easier to >understand. This is a lovely book. -- James Kilty Article 23976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where 'o' where to put it Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Apr 2000 11:43:36 GMT References: <8cebe7$ihb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000405074336.15526.00000769@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23976 Morning sun afternoon shade protection from winds and not in a low area for good air drainage. Even nicer if you can get a pickup close. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paper Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:30:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38ebda91.14091118@news1.radix.net> References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23977 On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:33:53 GMT, herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > Another day of sore thumbs from small nails and a tack hammer but we >finally have all the frames put together. Now the relatively easy job >of installing foundation, which we ordered with wires. > > But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to >chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on one >side? > > Herb > You posted this four days late!.........I hope. Greg the beekeep >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 23978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: craigsheehan@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 9 frames vs. 10 frames Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:56:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.99.182.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 06 01:47:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; formatnec) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.99.182.188 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23978 Hello. I'm new to beekeeping and have heard people talk about using 9 frames instead of 10 frames in both their honey supers and their brood boxes. What are the pros and cons of using 9 frames, especially in the brood boxes? Thanks for your help. Craig in Kentucky Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Lilian MALET" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:44:44 -0000 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8cgttc$d9g$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-denis-6-161.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 954989292 13616 164.138.159.161 (6 Apr 2000 02:48:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 02:48:12 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23979 i'm a french student in AGRONOMY in a high school at PERPIGNAN (coming from Réunion island in indian ocean). I'm looking for a period of probation of one month in a farm on july 2000. If you can help me, i thank you very much to reply this mail. MALET Rémy c/o MALET Lilian Fax : + 262 87 82 32 premieradj.possession@wanadoo.fr Article 23980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames Lines: 38 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:08:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.204.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954990509 12.72.204.36 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:08:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:08:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23980 First a warning, don't use only 9 frames of foundation. Always start with 10 and then remove 1 after drawn. In honey supers: pros- 10% reduction in frame cost/super, drawn out thicker making uncapping easier cons- beats me, I can't think of any In brood boxes: pros- 10% reduction in frame cost/box, frame manipulation is easier cons- less area available for brood rearing, may get more burr comb I use 9 for brood and honey. It is largely a matter of preference. If you contract out for pollination services, you would probably want to run 10 for the brood space. Some use 8 in honey supers. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hello. I'm new to beekeeping and have heard > people talk about using 9 frames instead of 10 > frames in both their honey supers and their brood > boxes. What are the pros and cons of using 9 > frames, especially in the brood boxes? Thanks > for your help. Craig in Kentucky > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:36:37 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames References: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn31.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954991650 7788 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23981 George why start with 10 ,then go to 9?????? L.E.G. George Styer wrote: > First a warning, don't use only 9 frames of foundation. Always start with 10 > and then remove 1 after drawn. > > In honey supers: > pros- 10% reduction in frame cost/super, drawn out thicker making uncapping > easier > cons- beats me, I can't think of any > > In brood boxes: > pros- 10% reduction in frame cost/box, frame manipulation is easier > cons- less area available for brood rearing, may get more burr comb > > I use 9 for brood and honey. It is largely a matter of preference. If you > contract out for pollination services, you would probably want to run 10 for > the brood space. Some use 8 in honey supers. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > wrote in message > news:8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Hello. I'm new to beekeeping and have heard > > people talk about using 9 frames instead of 10 > > frames in both their honey supers and their brood > > boxes. What are the pros and cons of using 9 > > frames, especially in the brood boxes? Thanks > > for your help. Craig in Kentucky > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. Article 23982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Book? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:14:17 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38EB5849.10169A23@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 954947959 20020 129.101.81.41 (5 Apr 2000 15:19:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2000 15:19:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23982 My sister (who has my hives now :-( birthday is tomorrow.... what beekeeping book is generally recommened? Thanks. -Matthew Article 23983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: scp1969@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package Bee Question Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 34 Message-ID: <12444-38EC2E1F-69@storefull-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQQtP/9QUAGSv/YuvAR/a20LAE5rwIVAMvg7Mqk7YiNMR0ZinSw/2C3pTjv Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23983 Hello everyone: This is my first time posting to this group. I have three hives, but they died this past winter. I was getting ready to go to college this past Fall and forgot to add Apistan strips to the hives. So, on a warm winter afternoon, I noticed no activity with the hives and sure enough, after opening the hives for a better look, all were dead, but had adequate honey, so I knew they didn't starve. I sent samples of the dead adults to the Bioenvironmental Bee Lab, and of course they had what I suspected; Varroa. I have 3 packages of bees coming next week from Rossman Apiaries. I ordered Fumidal-B for nosema prevention and Apicure for tracheal and Varroa mites. This Fall, after the honey flow I'll add Apistan strips to kill any remaining Varroa mites. I've had bees for years, but this is the first time I've lost them to mites. (I live in Pennsylvania) My question to the fellow beekeepers out there; does it seem like I'm approaching this mite problem in the right way? Also, has anybody else out there received their package bees they ordered? I don't believe that it's too early in the year where I live to receive packages, the trees are beginning to bloom along with many types of crocus. Thank you for any advice you could give me. You can write to me through the group or personally at: scp1969@webtv.net Thanks again, -Steven Article 23984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Date: 6 Apr 2000 06:29:24 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <8chou4$4f4$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000329110453.05973.00000986@ng-fu1.aol.com> <38e48c16.41599041@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23984 In article <38e48c16.41599041@news1.radix.net>, wrote: >On 29 Mar 2000 16:04:53 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > >><> >> >> Facinating question Adam. But before departing for uncharted territory, It's >>best to define what you already know. A species is a group of individuals >>sharing many characteristics and interbreedng freely. The breeding part is key: >>If an animal can no longer interbreed with others of its former kind, then a >>new species has developed. > >Then what are bronze turkeys? Due to their size that they have been >bred for they can't beed with each other by themselves and are >maintained by arificial insemination. Righto, Greg. Or I was thinking of the Great Dane mating with a Yorkshire Terrier. Using reproductive isolation to define species can be argued. What is a species anyway? I was talking with a molecular biologist about this and the "species definition" we arrived at was something like: An organism that has DNA coding for the manufacture of specific proteins at specific sites that promote growth and fitness comprising phenotypic characteristics unique to itself and others like it. However, this one is full of holes too. Organisms exist in populations, and thinking at the population level, with species being a population rather than a single unit, provides for both concepts of reproductive isolation and transpositional (skips in the genome) drift that folks like to term "mutation". Populations are plastic and can change via selection pressures: Light colored honeybees that yield highly and are gentle. Therefore, are "breeds" or "landraces" a step towards defining a new population that could be termed species? Why not? The rate at which populations speciate depends on the selection pressures in the habitat. Travel to the Amazon Basin sometime and check out the insect diversity there. Often "species" are found every few feet. Since taxonomy has been based on morphology and function solely, until recently, we've had only our senses to discern species. Adding molecular taxonomy via molecular techniques now commonplace, gives the biologist a new twist in taxonomy. What happens when you have two differing morphological units that reproduce, but are totally unrelated in habitat and ecology? You do some molecular taxonomy on the populations and you see similarities. Therefore you have a contrived homogeneity in this "species" for these two differing populations. Are they the same species? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!news1.online.no!not-for-mail Message-ID: <955035124-71429AEicMi@frisurf.no> From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: High voltage. X-Mailer: ASH Emailer V1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Lines: 18 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:07:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.67.161.73 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@online.no X-Trace: news1.online.no 955035132 130.67.161.73 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:32:12 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:32:12 MET DST Organization: Telenor Online Public Access Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23985 Hello! I have heard that bees are bilding quite strange if thet hives are placed just under the >high voltage >line. I am not so sure how far awy you must put them, but a friend of mine have got his bees approx. 100m away from a line, without any problem. Norvald from Norway -- Norvald Atari Falcon 030 Article 23986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paper Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:38:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8ci413$noj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 06 13:38:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23986 In article <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > Another day of sore thumbs from small nails and a tack hammer but we > finally have all the frames put together. Now the relatively easy job > of installing foundation, which we ordered with wires. > > But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to > chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on one > side? > > Herb > I've got to say you made my day. That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!rockie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.127.161.4!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames Lines: 20 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:37:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955042675 12.72.41.205 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:37:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:37:55 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23987 With foundation, if you start with 9 and spread them out the bees will build the comb on the same plane as the foundation but not from the foundation outward. You end up with the comb being built between the sheets of foundation making for a real mess. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "L.E.G." wrote in message news:38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net... > George why start with 10 ,then go to 9?????? > L.E.G. Article 23988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Whats gone wrong - no brood Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:45:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.131.243.213 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 06 20:45:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.5; Mac_PowerPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.131.243.213 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23988 Hi, I'm new to beekeeping getting my first hive late Summer 1999. All appeared to be going OK to my untrained eye with various queries being answered by reading lots and checking newsgroups. Cleansing flights on time but no real activity re. pollen collecting. Today was the first real warm one so I plucked up courage, got the smoker going and 'calmly' ventured into the unknown...... To say disappointed and concerned would be understating it and I'm worried it may be my fault due to inexperience: 1. Not many bees - enough only to seem to cover about 2 sides of one frame? 2. Every brood frame is either packed with capped honey or nearly so 3. There are 3 middle frames with marginally less honey and a few empty cells (look like drone cells as larger than rest) 4. Couldn't find any cells with eggs or larva (a few (5-7) dead white lava had been ejected during late Feb in a cold snap so assumed just a bit of chilled brood - but also assumed it was evidence the queen was laying) 5. Couldn't find queen - this did not really surprise me due to my inexperience. 6. Spotted three bees each with a red mite on their heads (I treated with bayvarol in October 1999 just as a precaution). Dont really know the visual difference between varroa mite and harmless Braula coeca at present. However the mite was definitely not prevalent. 7.Decided to put hive carefully back together, added a super above queen excluder in the hope that whilst clearing up the honey spillage which was quite widespread due to many combs being stuck together across frames, they may create some brood space for the queen(if shes still there) by clearing the scraped cells and moving the honey upstairs. 8. Reduced bee entrance in case of robbing. I join my first beginners class this year but it does not start until late May! The farm I bought from in N. Yorkshire did say if the colony failed to survive the Winter they would replace free of charge which was very fair but you will appreciate I need to know why. Please help, Ive really enjoyed beekeeping so far and I want to continue but I also want the bees to enjoy me! Mick Ba Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-178-151.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Houston, We Have a Problem Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:59:46 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b2.97 X-Server-Date: 6 Apr 2000 21:01:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23989 In article , "George Styer" wrote: > Before you can determine what action to take, you need to find out what > caused this. If it is not AFB you are better off starting over rather than > spend a lot of time and money to save something that won' be productive > anyway. Doesn't sound like they will be successful in raising a queen on > their own. If they have been queenless for more than 5 days it is hopeless. > Tell us more about your preparations last fall. Did you use TM? > Hi, George. Here's the latest: A local well respected old beekeeper came by today and looked at the situation. He found dead varroa mites on the bottom board, and surmised that the queen succumbed to varroa related disease sometime over the winter. Thus the current lack of eggs and the severe drop in the number of workers. He thinks the rotting bees in the cells (there were only a dozen or two of these) were a result of a cold snap late in the Spring. The dead larvae were not cleaned out because of the limited number of workers. I'm ordering a new queen and three pounds of bees. I'm pretty disappointed, but this fellow emphasized that losing a hive is part of beekeeping. I'm also relieved that they didn't have American or European Foul Brood... I'm hoping the new packaged bees will have a good start, since there's plenty of honey left stored for them in the hive. O, and to answer your question... I did treat with TM last fall, and Apistan early last summer. Mebbe it was later than it should have been... my mistake, but the first package went in in late April. Peace- -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 23990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: High voltage. Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Apr 2000 21:10:59 GMT References: <955035124-71429AEicMi@frisurf.no> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000406171059.02084.00000091@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23990 So far no unusual comb or behaviors from the bees. One set of lines comes right out of a nuclear power plant a mile or so away. The other set from a coal fired plant. Both sites have hives within 100 ft of the towers. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:55:22 +0200 Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.59.205.166 Message-ID: <38ed079a_2@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 6 Apr 2000 23:54:34 +0100, 212.59.205.166 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!195.5.65.34.MISMATCH!caladan.arrakis.es!212.59.205.166 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23991 @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ ha sido actualizada el 1 de Abril del 2000. Como gran novedad de esta actualización presentamos la inclusión de un buscador para encontrar fácilmente cualquier información tanto dentro como fuera de @groWeb. Hemos actualizado nuestras secciones ya clásicas de: @groEscuela, con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación y plagas del algodón. Además poseemos cinco nuevas colaboraciones enviadas por vosotros. Elevándose la cifra actual a 61 documentos técnicos @groPreguntas @groNoticias - 42 noticias del sector para estar bien informados. @groEnlaces - Hemos añadido 93 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a 2.100 de los cuales + 1.100 son en nuestro idioma @groCursos - Con interesantes y numerosas novedades, alcanza la cifra de 133 cursos clasificados. Un cordial saludo: Javier Soto Vázquez Article 23992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Houston, We Have a Problem Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:13:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.181.220 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955062814 12.79.181.220 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:13:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:13:34 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23992 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message > I'm pretty disappointed, but this fellow emphasized that losing a hive is > part of beekeeping. > Then why do they call it beeKEEPing Why not call it, "having bees until something goes wrong and we then buy more bees". Dave Article 23993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8cgttc$d9g$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955060314 nnrp-06:603 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23993 In article <8cgttc$d9g$1@wanadoo.fr>, Lilian MALET writes >i'm a french student in AGRONOMY in a high school at PERPIGNAN (coming from >Réunion island in indian ocean). >I'm looking for a period of probation of one month in a farm on july 2000. >If you can help me, i thank you very much to reply this mail. in which country m'dear? -- James Kilty Article 23994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:29:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955060315 nnrp-06:603 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23994 In article <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mbarton15653@my-deja.com writes >1. Not many bees - enough only to seem to cover about 2 sides of one >frame? On their last legs. Not long to go now. Many possibilities. When was the last time you saw eggs or even larvae on a frame? >I join my first beginners class this year but it does not start until >late May! Chat to the teacher after you enrol or put your name down as definite. >The farm I bought from in N. Yorkshire did say if the colony failed to >survive the Winter they would replace free of charge which was very fair >but you will appreciate I need to know why. Good. Tell them. Get one immediately. Unite the one you have over the new one. If you want to later, split the colony at the right time and in the right way to make another and use the frames with honey in to give them a good start. Otherwise, pick out the cleanest and extract the honey for *yourself* not for sale as it has come from the brood chamber. >Please help, Ive really enjoyed beekeeping so far and I want to continue >but I also want the bees to enjoy me! That may take some time, if they ever do really. Continue to enjoy. -- James Kilty Article 23995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:33:21 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 83 Message-ID: <8cj4da$7dq$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-192.tellurium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 955061482 7610 62.136.43.192 (6 Apr 2000 22:51:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 22:51:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23995 I think that you need to join a local beekeeping association! Comments: > I'm new to beekeeping getting my first hive late Summer 1999. First mistake - buy bees in the spring when you can see that they have survived the winter and are building up with a decent queen. >Cleansing flights on > time but no real activity re. pollen collecting. Good observation. No pollen = no brood = probably no queen. >Today was the first > real warm one so I plucked up courage, got the smoker going and 'calmly' > ventured into the unknown...... Has not been warm enough in the Midlands yet - beware opening hives too early, you can do a great deal of harm. Just check the wieght of the hive for food and wait until the apple is in bloom before pulling hives apart. At this time of year every bee is very valuable. > 1. Not many bees - enough only to seem to cover about 2 sides of one > frame? Very unlikely to build even if there is a viable queen. > 2. Every brood frame is either packed with capped honey or nearly so Suggests that the colony has been very weak for a long time. > 3. There are 3 middle frames with marginally less honey and a few empty > cells (look like drone cells as larger than rest) Look carefully at the surface of the comb from one end - if the surface is uneven then your queen probably failed and became a drone-layer (we had very poor weather last spring when new queens should have been mating). This could account for the colony dwindling. > 4. Couldn't find any cells with eggs or larva (a few (5-7) dead white > lava had been ejected during late Feb in a cold snap so assumed just a > bit of chilled brood - but also assumed it was evidence the queen was > laying) Evidence of insufficient bees to care for the brrod. > 5. Couldn't find queen - this did not really surprise me due to my > inexperience. She may well have died by now, or may be very small if she is not laying. > 6. Spotted three bees each with a red mite on their heads (I treated > with bayvarol in October 1999 just as a precaution). Dont really know > the visual difference between varroa mite and harmless Braula coeca at > present. Easy! If you can see them on the adult bees then they are almost certainly braula - especially on the head. Varroa mites tend to be on the underside and well hidden. (You will see varroa easily on larvae.). > However the mite was definitely not prevalent. I don't think that you can state that, given your lack of experience. > 7.Decided to put hive carefully back together, added a super above queen > excluder in the hope that whilst clearing up the honey spillage which > was quite widespread due to many combs being stuck together across > frames, they may create some brood space for the queen(if shes still > there) by clearing the scraped cells and moving the honey upstairs. I think that you fighting a losing battle here. > 8. Reduced bee entrance in case of robbing. Very unlikely that there are enough bees to defend even a reduced entrance - and they will have no will to do so unless there is a laying queen present. > I join my first beginners class this year but it does not start until > late May! Better late than never. > The farm I bought from in N. Yorkshire did say if the colony failed to > survive the Winter they would replace free of charge which was very fair > but you will appreciate I need to know why. Contact them now! > Please help, Ive really enjoyed beekeeping so far and I want to continue > but I also want the bees to enjoy me! > Mick Ba Stick with it and good luck! Article 23996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:49:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-192.tellurium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 955061484 7610 62.136.43.192 (6 Apr 2000 22:51:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 22:51:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23996 Treatment is based on a study reported from Spain in BeeBiz about three years ago. They applied thymol crystals in various ways and doses. The best results were obtained using 8g of powdered thymol placed on a watch glass over the brood frames. Treatment was repeated weekly for four weeks. I use old honey jar lids and treat immediately the honey crop is removed in August when the thymol evaporates readily. This is followed by a drip treatment of oxalic acid (60g oxalic, 300g sugar, 1 litre water - 5ml per seam of bees) in November to give a final clean up for winter (NB beware - oxalic acid is highly poisonous and the dust must not be inhaled). I monitor about 25% of my hives and if mite levels are high in the spring I give a treatment with thymol before adding supers. Thymol is very strongly anti-fungal and its effect on chalkbrood seems to be a beneficial side-effect. Before Adam takes me to task, I have to say that I have not had time to do any scientifically controlled tests - but have based my methods on what seem to me from my researches to be sound principles. I am strongly against polluting my hives with flumethrin/fluvalinate/amitraz etc and have now survived 3 winters with varroa. Crops are excellent (above local averages) but it is, of course, early days yet. A.Poluektov wrote in message news:38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru... > >Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it > >has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started > >treating varroa with thymol crystals. > > > Peter, give please me the answer. > Than you treated earlier varroa? > The last five years I treated varroa by a remedy of which contains amitraz. > And all five years I have chalkbrood. > Now I think that this remedy probably promotes increase chalkbrood. > A this year I want to try treating with thymol crystals. > How you it carry out? > Andrey > > Article 23997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:55:32 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.40.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 955065229 62.252.40.131 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:53:49 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:53:49 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23997 Mick, I was sorry to read your e-mail. I and probably every other beekeeper know the feeling of openning up a hive with great expectency only to feel bewildered and depressed by what they find. Be encouraged! It happens! If there is no brood or eggs it looks like the queen has failed. At other times in the year this problem can be overcome but in the winter it can be fatal. Is this your only colony? Because if you have another you could bring in a frame of eggs and brood from a stronger one. The bees would then produce another queen. But I think that it is too early for a colony to produce a new queen yet. My bees in Shropshire are not showing any signs of drawing comb yet. I don't think you mentioned how many frames the bees were on. The mite you mentioned is more likely to be Braula if it was seen on the head. This mite is more of a round blob than the Varroa, which is a more oval slim disc. My advice, for what it's worth is to contact your local bee inspector who will come and look at the hive. If he is like ours, he will give sound advice. If the "no survive, exchange" offer was given I would certainly take it up. Also get another colony as in times of trouble, which are sure to come, it is a great advantage. Hope this helps or at least encourages you. Stick at it. Steve. Article 23998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hiving Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Apr 2000 00:44:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000406204444.19057.00000151@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23998 What is the lowest temperature that is safe to hive new bees? If my new ones come tomorrow I will have to do it at 50 degrees. Tim W. Article 23999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "De Witt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HIVE WITH NO BROOD or MAKE THIS HOUSE A HOME. Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:04:16 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 17 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <8cjdvi$cor@library1.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: 204.181.96.50 NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Apr 6 20:34:43 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !](c@1k-X7o21OP (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23999 Tonight, in preparation for installing new queens on Saturday, I opened both of my hives. One was completely empty no bees, live or dead, just empty boxes of honeycomb, one deep brood box and two shallow suppers. The other one was just the opposite I took off the telescopic cover and between it and the inside cover was crawling with bees, this was my signal last year to add another supper, the two mediums were full of honey every frame, not covered but full. However the frames in the brood chamber were empty as in the first hive, a little honey but no larva, eggs, and no capped brood, no queen cells, no drone cells, no supersedure cells, not even swarm cells, nothing ( lights on but no one home). Fortunately I have new queens ready to go in but I would like to see if anyone in the Dallas, Texas area might have six spare frames of brood for sale that I can put in with the new queens to make this house a home? Please let me know I will drive anywhere on Saturday morning to swap empty frames and money for brood. Article 24000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bee Question Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Apr 2000 01:39:20 GMT References: <12444-38EC2E1F-69@storefull-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000406213920.02088.00000106@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24000 Southeastern PA would likely see package bees shipping beginning 10 Apr. That is a choice date so if you didn't order very early your bees are gonna be later. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: marty@dianeshoney.com (BeeGuy) Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames References: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6zdH4.5747$oX5.5303@jump.innerx.net> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:29:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.162.161 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 955082050 38.27.162.161 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:34:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:34:10 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24001 In article <38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net>, gmt@crosslink.net wrote: >George why start with 10 ,then go to 9?????? >L.E.G. > Forgive me for answering for the fine gentleman, I tried to start out with 9 frames. Bad move on my part. Bee space being what it is really gave me unevenly drawn comb. What seemed to happen was they would start to draw out one frame and go as far as they cared to. what it left for area on the foundation next to it was too little room to do much. In a wild hive I guess it would be no big deal, but when I would go to remove the frames I would either have to deal with taking two frames out or ripping the comb off one frame and the next frame would be bare. When I uncap I would end up with excess honey draing in the tank. It was a mistake simply corrected. Please remember YMMV. Article 24002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: marty@dianeshoney.com (BeeGuy) Subject: Re: Paper References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cgmbo$71v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 36 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:36:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.162.161 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 955082470 38.27.162.161 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:41:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:41:10 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24002 In article <8cgmbo$71v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > > herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > >> >> But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to >> chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on >>one side? >> >> Herb >**************************************************** > > >Howdy Herb -- > > Herb, you jest ? But just in case -- the separator paper is just >to keep the sheets of foundation from sticking together. Take it off >before installing in frames. Of course the bees WILL chew it off if >left on (pretty quickly). > > Pete >So much to learn - So little time ! >************************************************** > > I'll go one better. I guess if I'd have thought for a moment it wouldn't have surprised me so much, but my wife wraps candles we sell in the paer from foundation. It was a good reuse of the packing material but what really surprised me was how customers would prefer the candles wrapped in that paper rather than the nice clear topped boxes we had bought. I guess it's just another indication of how consumers really want to know the product was made with honest work and a minimum of hype. :) Article 24003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: grizzly bearnolds Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 06:18:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.28.33.9 To: mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 07 06:18:03 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 I-Gear (3.1.3), 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.28.33.9 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDearmails Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24003 For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. Anything I tried so far did not get through. (This is a direct post from the internet site.) I have been reading sci.agriculture.beekeeping with much interest. Ma. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "grizzly bearnolds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggie Feeders Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:34:17 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 12 Message-ID: <027d01bfa05d$7553eba0$e7211c8e@nisgaa.bc.ca> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38e85efa.115531949@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "grizzly bearnolds" NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-DejaID: _hQHvNcyahLblfpQYVJzS/Q= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24004 For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. Anything I tried so far did not get through. (This is a posting via email.) I have been reading sci.agriculture.beekeeping with much interest. Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA mailto:mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsxfer.interpacket.net!news.interpacket.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: keeping swarms from absconding Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:43:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.244.76.85 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955100596 209.244.76.85 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:43:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:43:16 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24005 (after a friend had a bit of trouble with an absconding swarm, I'm forwarding the contents here to help others keep their swarms hived:) -------------------------------------------------- If you're having trouble with absconding swarms, place a queen excluder between the first hive body and landing board. If the queen stays, the swarm stays. I've had queens sqeeze through bends in excluders and cracks in remaining hive bodies so you need to check the hive thoroughly. Remove the excluder once you see evidence of the queen laying (eggs; or workers with pollen entering the hive). You can also dump swarms ontop of an excluder placed over your new hive. Pick up the queen (bare handed or TIGHT gloved!) after the majority of the bees go through the excluder. She'll be on top trying to squirm through. Place her in a queen cage. You do this by placing her in one palm and closing your hand (barehanded is best!!! she won't sting - and usually, neither will the nurse bees tagging along - unless squeezed) and form a tunnel with the opening at the top, next to your thumb. Place the queen cage over the hole and watch the queen climb up into the cage, trying for the light. It's best to do this holding the queen over the new beehive just in case she escapes. Plug the hole with anything that bees will chew on - bee candy, paper swab, peice of straw, etc. I've found beeswax will do fine if you poke a small hole through the center to get them interested in chewing the wax down (don't poke your stick in so far that you harm the contents!). Hang the queen between the middle and feed the hive heavily. By the time the queen is released, with luck, the beehive will be settled. I'll forward this to the newsgroup to remind people there are easy methods to keep bees from absconding. You have some particular trouble in hiving an escaping swarm back to the same hive area. Those bees are TOUGH to keep put because they're familiar with the area and think they haven't yet swarmed. If you catch a swarm from your own hives again, keep the box well ventilated (screened) and bee-tight! Place them in your garage for a day or two. Spray the cluster with light sugar syrup (1:1 or bit less) 4-5 times a day. If they get sticky, spray in warm water with a bit of sugar. After this routine, take them anywhere and hive them. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO (& waiting patiently for our turn for swarm calls) Article 24006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Houston, We Have a Problem Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:03:21 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 57 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust144.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8cjt75$5a6$1@news.smartworld.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cust144.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24006 > > I'm pretty disappointed, but this fellow emphasized that losing a hive is > > part of beekeeping. > > Then why do they call it beeKEEPing > Why not call it, "having bees until something goes wrong and we then buy > more bees". Gosh, I really shouldn't have to explain this, but maybe, for some, I do. Here goes: Death is part of life, and no matter how good a beekeeper is, he or she is going to have some losses. Sometimes it is some of the bees, sometimes it is money, sometimes it is opportunity, sometimes it is whole hives. Oftentimes the losses are no reflection on the beekeeper. (More on this at http://www.beesource.com/pov/simple.htm ) As experience grows, usually the losses diminish, but that is not always true. Part of everything we do is luck. If you have always had luck, then you probably don't understand, but anyone who has gone without it for a stretch (excuse me), will know what I am talking about. Having been there, personally, I would not wish this experience on anyone -- even someone who could obviously learn a lot from it. I have heard beekeepers who have run a sizable number of hives for many years claim they have never lost a hive. I never believe another thing they say. Everyone loses hives. If it is the only one you have, or one of a small few, so much more the tragedy. Every winter, I lose literally hundreds of colonies to queen failure that takes place after the last inspection and before spring or other subtle things that can happen in spite of the best of professional care. I'd do much more damage than good trying to discover or prevent it mid-winter. I just have to accept it, clean up the mess, and make up the loss. Sure, losing all your hives all the time might warrant a comment like the one above, but there is no evidence that we are dealing with we are dealing with negligence here. Maybe some fall varroa treatment might have helped, maybe it wouldn't have. We don't even have a full diagnosis -- just an educated guess, and condolences from a neighbour. The measure of a beekeeper is not whether he or she claims to never lose hives, but rather whether he or she discovers and fesses up to mistakes, learns from those mistakes, and seeks out the wisdom of others -- and whether he or she recovers quickly and cleanly from inevitable losses when they happen. Losing hives is an inevitable part of beekeeping in areas where real winter occurs -- and most other places too. allen ------ More thoughts at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 24007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paper Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:18:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8ckg6o$akl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ci413$noj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.47 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 07 11:18:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.47 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24007 In article <8ci413$noj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Glenn West wrote: > I've got to say you made my day. That's the funniest thing I've heard > in a while! > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Thanks Glenn. That was the idea! Pete: hrogers@arkansas.net >>Herb, you jest ?<< Yes Pete, I do. I've made a lot of mistakes with our bees, but this wasn't one of them. Thanks for being so kind to me. Greg: honeybs@radix.net >>You posted this four days late!.........I hope.<< Greg, you must be physic!!! I first thought of posting the question last weekend but took awhile to decide to do it. Several people are having serious problems with their bees so I wondered whether the humor would be out of place. Finally decided to go ahead because after all laughter is really the best medicine for most problems. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!kpnqwest.se!newsfeed.globecom.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk> <6h4PSOAYb864EwsG@kilty.demon.co.uk> Subject: SV: High tension near hives? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.177.103 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 955091888 212.151.177.103 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:18:08 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:18:08 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-177-103.swipnet.se Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:18:05 +0200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24008 Thanks for your help! I'll try the location and see what happens. I was a little worried, if magnetic fields could affect the bees not to find their way - but as it seems I shouldn't worry. Doris Article 24009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!easynews!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarms & queen handling - follow up Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38f00626.22630545@news.earthlink.net> References: <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:08:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.12.237 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955105690 209.245.12.237 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:08:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:08:10 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24009 After re-reading my last post, it occurred to me that many do not know how to pick up a queen. Do NOT touch her abdomen. She can be gracefully handled by two fingers, one on either side of her thorax (big dot in the middle of her back) or just close your fingers around where she's squirming through the excluder allowing her to climb on you. Once you have her, don't panic and scare her. Queens can move very quickly when frightened Keep your hands close to the action at the top of the hive so she knows there's escape close by without taking flight. Another post recently surfaced on Bee-L regarding handling queens and Bob Harrison made the good suggestion of practicing on drones. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO Article 24010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeeening after the swarm Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Apr 2000 11:28:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24010 I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ Richard Flanagan in Charlotte NC I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 24011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Requeeening after the swarm Lines: 31 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:01:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955134103 12.72.40.37 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:01:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:01:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24011 No, it is not absolutely necessary but is recommended due to the age of the queen. This assumes she is the old mated queen and not a virgin from an afterswarm. If you want to make increase, I am curious why you would allow them to swarm instead of making a split. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Richard Flanagan" wrote in message news:20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com... > I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number > of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I > should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ > > > > Richard Flanagan in Charlotte NC > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 24012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hiving Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:10:16 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 18 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust43.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8clie5$a58$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <20000406204444.19057.00000151@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust43.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24012 That is a good temperature. If it is too warm, then you will have problems with them flying about and possibly getting confused. Wait until dusk and then put them in. The guys and I just did 300 the other night during a snow squall, so -- if you want pictures and a story -- see "A Beekeeper's Diary' at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ allen ----- > What is the lowest temperature that is safe to hive new bees? If my new ones > come tomorrow I will have to do it at 50 degrees Article 24013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Banking queens Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:54:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8cllf5$kh0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 07 21:54:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.52 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24013 I recently purchased several extra queens to be used to requeen some hives. I am presently faced with the problem of possibly having to delay the requeening for up to a couple or three weeks. Have any of you "Banked" queens in some manner- preferably in the shipping cages? I was wondering how long I might be able to keep them in a cool-not cold- quiet place by feeding them a drop or two of syrup a few times a day. I will certainly appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. repbees Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeeening after the swarm Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:33:44 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8clk6i$aib1@news.vtx.ch> References: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p08.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24014 Not necessarily. check if the swarm has a queen first, and how fit she is... Richard Flanagan a écrit dans le message : 20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com... > I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number > of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I > should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ > > > > Richard Flanagan in Charlotte NC > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 24015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EE22DB.CF32E128@crosslink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 18:03:07 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: They Swarmed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn03.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 955148081 9650 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24015 Well after all the swarm prevention stuff I did they still swarmed ( I caught them).. I reversed, I put new clean bottom boards, I replaced 6 frames of old wax with new fresh wax, and did not stimulate with feeding, checked every 10 days for QC's ( and destroyed the one's I found). And last, when I treated for varroa I had a zero count on sticky board. I guess after all that and they still swarmed it must be fate. Ingrates!! Just goes to show mother nature is hard to fool!! Article 24016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeeening after the swarm Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:07:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955149031 nnrp-10:4577 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24016 In article <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com>, Richard Flanagan writes >I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number >of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I >should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ No. She may last another season or supersede the same season. The recommendation is because new queens tend to lay better, the colonies get more honey and they tend not to swarm at least in the first season. They are trying to reproduce when they swarm, so they can swarm again, in the same season *if* they can build up enough or next season. The other reason is the replacement queen can be from a selected good strain whereas the supersedure queen will mate with whatever local drones catch her and you cannot predict the value of the offspring unless you flood the area with drones from selected stock. The same could be said of the swarmed stock of course. The value of the swarm is many fold: it is a natural swarm so works hard, produces excellent comb and can even give a surplus of honey if managed well. A friend got 100lb honey (in an area where over 50lb is good) from a swarm which was given one good feed and drew a brood box and super in a few days then set about filling them. -- James Kilty Article 24017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: They Swarmed Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:16:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <38EE22DB.CF32E128@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955149464 nnrp-03:6222 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24017 In article <38EE22DB.CF32E128@crosslink.net>, L.E.G. writes >Well after all the swarm prevention stuff I did they still swarmed ( I >caught them).. >I reversed, I put new clean bottom boards, I replaced 6 frames of old >wax with new fresh wax, and did not stimulate with feeding, checked >every 10 days for QC's ( and destroyed the one's I found). And last, >when I treated for varroa I had a zero count on sticky board. I guess >after all that and they still swarmed it must be fate. >Ingrates!! Just goes to show mother nature is hard to fool!! 10 days is more long enough to produce a sealed queen cell from nothing. The 10 day inspection is based on a clipped queen not being able to go with the swarm when it tries to go and so when you look, she's still there so you can take action. 7 days just gets them in time if you don't miss any eggs (most of the time). -- James Kilty Article 24018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Message-ID: <38ee7866.30756993@news.usit.net> References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 17 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:11:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 955152717 216.80.168.177 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:11:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:11:57 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24018 This hive swarmed around 1 pm and landed about 4 foot off the ground. I shook them into hive put in one frame of brood. Should I requeen this hive or what? 4/7/00 On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on >front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This >morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full >or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in >southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and >is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are >all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 24019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:24:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.238.208.145 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 00:24:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 157.238.208.145 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24019 As a 3rd year beekeeper, I trudge on against these determined creatures, I am learning some tips you might find useful. First of all, I used BT against heavily infested frames. It killed the larvae for awhile. However, it may dissuade bees from using the frame again because of the residue. Freezing the frames seems to make the wax cells brittle and breakable. Another item I discovered is that baby wax moth larvae seem to congregate en masse underneath the pollen plugs stored in wax cells. In duragilt, the moth larvae tunnel next to the plastic backing and can leave most of the cells intact except for the gap they've made. To remove the larvae/webbing, I have found that taking a toothpick, inserting it in a cell and twisting it between one's fingers helps snag the webbing and remove it and the eggs quite well. I speculate on a solution to this insect of mass destruction. Could a foundation be designed to automatically color a cell a certain color if a wax moth larvae is in it (by chemical reaction of some kind) without injuring a bee larvae and have the beekeeper remove it. Maybe better yet is to find a small predator of the wax moth and release it in a hive? If anyone has any other wax moth ideas they've tried, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Thanks. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38EE92E2.81DA4314@together.net> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:01:06 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banking queens References: <8cllf5$kh0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-153-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 7 Apr 2000 22:02:17 -0500, dial-153-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 26 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-153-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24020 When I bank queens, I use a "7-wire" type excluder. Pick a strong colony with the cluster in the top box. Remove the inner cover, and replace it with the excluder. Place the queen cages face down on the excluder. The wooden slats of the "7-wire" excluder maintain a space between the wires and the cage. Cover the excluder and cages with a cloth (I use a wool one). Next place a rim (shallow super) on the excluder. Then the inner and outer cover. The bees will take care of the queens. I've kept queens for months this way. Doesn't help their laying capabilities any tho'. Mike repbees@my-deja.com wrote: > I recently purchased several extra queens to be used to requeen some > hives. I am presently faced with the problem of possibly having to > delay the requeening for up to a couple or three weeks. Have any of > you "Banked" queens in some manner- preferably in the shipping cages? > I was wondering how long I might be able to keep them in a cool-not > cold- quiet place by feeding them a drop or two of syrup a few times a > day. I will certainly appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. > > repbees > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:05:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8cm45b$41m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 02:05:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24021 > southbee@my-deja.com wrote: > > If anyone has any other wax moth ideas they've tried, I'd appreciate > hearing from you. > Thanks. southbee ************************************************ Howdy southbee -- To help the bees in a weak colony get rid of the worms : Shake the bees off a comb and while holding one end of the frame, whack the bottom bar or top bar of the other end sharply several times with your hive tool. The vibration causes worms of all sizes (except those in cocoons) crawl to the surface so they can be destroyed. Change ends a couple of times and repeat. It may surprise you to see how many worms emerge. Don't worry about the web, the bees can take care of that better than you can. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping swarms from absconding Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:47:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8cm6ka$6nk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 02:47:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24022 > qualityram@yahoo.ie wrote: > If you're having trouble with absconding swarms, ********************************************************** Howdy all -- A simple and near fool-proof way to house a swarm: Collect the swarm in a cardboard box and set it where you want the hive to be. at LATE afternoon place about two frames of open brood from another hive into the new hive and shake/march the swarm into the hive. By the time morning arrives the swarm has completed adoption papers on the larvae and are home to stay. Of course you put on a feeder so the swarm will have plenty of food to convert to wax and royal jelly even in bad weather or at night. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hiving Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:58:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8cm77s$7ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000406204444.19057.00000151@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 02:58:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24023 > timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) wrote: > What is the lowest temperature that is safe to hive new bees? If my >new ones come tomorrow I will have to do it at 50 degrees. > Tim W. ************************************************************ Howdy Tim -- 50 degrees should be fine. After all the bees fly at that temperature unless there is too much wind. Hiving? I prefer to remove 4 frames and place the opened cage in that opening, with the queen cage suspended adjacent to the cage. This requires an extra trip, but it prevnts further trauma to the little critters. They have been through a lot already putting up with the postal service. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:07:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8cm7os$7lu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 03:07:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24024 > "Mike Geis" wrote: > It seems that there are three types of feeders. ****************************************************** Howdy Mike -- I have used the three methods you mention, but there is one I like better: In some type of migratory type top board, cut a 2 3/4" hole with a hole saw or jig saw. The entrance feeder lid fits this. Put your jar of feed on the top. Contents are visible and does not require an extra super. The main advantage is that the cluster can form around the lid and they can take food when it is COLD. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Lines: 12 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 06:44:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 955176249 209.32.197.9 (Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:44:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:44:09 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24025 Some times no matter what we do pop happens. My suggestion is kill the rest of the bees by shaking them into the grass, close up the hive and get on the phone and order a 3 lb package immediately, you may have to hunt a while to find a supplier. You will be very dissapointed by trying to nurse these bees along queen or no queen in colony. We need to think like the farmer when he sees an animal suffering he puts it down, like wise put this colony out of it misery. Elroy Article 24026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF2037.98231E8C@gte.net> From: roy chapman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-GTE_NC4 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 X-Trace: +ryjt+YhYV7yFCYX5l1z8+i7hlqPa/Xd3NcCaxr7Y9yQOk4gcXF9Ssn8xCDmtdfmJE1LZ+t8BZz9!DrPQLVk2/Rm3W+RdqNa2tNG9Y0WYCSVfODdw3pUIMFLIoMk6fVSm3SzMHDd5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:07:04 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:07:04 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24026 Hi Southbee, I agree with Gregg but I also make up moth traps and set them out in the trees by my hives. I make them out of liter plastic pop bottles. I put a hole in the cap so I can get a string in it to tie it to the tree branches. Where the bottle straightens out I cut a 1" to 1 1/2" hole opposite each other just below the curve of the bottle and put some water, vinegar, sugar and a banana peel in the bottle in equal measures. This attracts the moths fly's and wasps away from my hives and traps them. southbee@my-deja.com wrote: > As a 3rd year beekeeper, I trudge on against these determined creatures, > I am learning some tips you might find useful. First of all, I used BT > against heavily infested frames. It killed the larvae for awhile. > However, it may dissuade bees from using the frame again because of the > residue. Freezing the frames seems to make the wax cells brittle and > breakable. Another item I discovered is that baby wax moth larvae seem > to congregate en masse underneath the pollen plugs stored in wax cells. > In duragilt, the moth larvae tunnel next to the plastic backing and can > leave most of the cells intact except for the gap they've made. To > remove the larvae/webbing, I have found that taking a toothpick, > inserting it in a cell and twisting it between one's fingers helps snag > the webbing and remove it and the eggs quite well. > > I speculate on a solution to this insect of mass destruction. Could a > foundation be designed to automatically color a cell a certain color if > a wax moth larvae is in it (by chemical reaction of some kind) > without injuring a bee larvae and have the beekeeper remove it. Maybe > better yet is to find a small predator of the wax moth and release it in > a hive? > > If anyone has any other wax moth ideas they've tried, I'd appreciate > hearing from you. > > Thanks. > > southbee > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:39:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8cn998$9hu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.131.242.4 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 12:39:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.5; Mac_PowerPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.131.242.4 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24027 Many thanks to all who replied - as you can imagine there were quite a few differing theories - probably due to me having all the information but little knowledge in describing it accurately! I know for definite that they were capped stores as opposed to capped brood and that the number of bees remaining appears to be decreasing as the days pass with still the very occasional one bringing in pollen. Because the mites mentioned were so clearly visible and I'd read and heard that varroa mite was quite difficult to detect I assumed Braula. Also at the time I used the Bayvoral as a preventative I checked my temporary floor (mesh on sticky card) debris and could not detect the varroa mite. The suggestion of placing on a super came from a local society member - oops! He was certainly right in suggesting that the workers would clear up the spillage and take it up into the drawn comb but I certainly now understand and take your point about not giving more space to a sickly colony. There has been a suggestion that when I collect another colony that I could unite, others feel I should clean out and should start again - would I be able to use the existing honey brood frames to supply the new bees - or should I harvest that? Regards to all and thank Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:06:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8cnasi$b9b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.56 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 13:06:32 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.56 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24028 In article <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca wrote: > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. > Anything I tried so far did not get through. (This is a direct post > from the internet site.) > > I have been reading sci.agriculture.beekeeping with much interest. > > Ma. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Dear Ma, Me too!!! Here is the routine I finally figured out although there must be an easier way: 1. Click on reply 2. Type your post under the one that is automatically copied for you. At this point you can also edit the post you are responding to - like deleting any excess words beyond the point you actually want to comment on. 3. Click on Send (no preview) at the bottom. 4. Then you will be asked to log in with your deja.com name and password. So do that. 5. Then you will be presented with a blank post form. Ignore that and either click on the back arrow on your screen or use alt + left arrow to go back. 6. This will get you to a notice that your page has expired. Go back again. 7. I just did all of that and am now back here finishing up the post. Now I'll try Preview 8. Okay, that worked. I had 2 choices, edit or send. I clicked on edit to come back here and complete this post. Good luck. If you run into problems write me at Vasak@aol.com Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000406204444.19057.00000151@ng-fw1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Hiving Lines: 34 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 07:33:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 955179189 209.32.197.1 (Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:33:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:33:09 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24029 I onced hived packages after dark the temp dropped to almost freezing a few of the clusters became too cold to stay up with the queen. The reason for installing at night was there were so many robber bees during the day it was almost impossible for day time installing. On cool weather the bees were very quiet, I just opened the package shook the bees into the hive replaced the frames,and the hung the queen cage just above the bees. I did use creamed honey in place of the candy plug on the queen cage for quick release. If this is the your first package you can cut down on bees flying by spraying them through the screen with sugar water until they can't take any more. Remove the queen cage from the top, then just remove 4 frames out of the middle of the hive shake the bees in the area where you took the frames out. If the bees begin flying too much spray them with some sugar water. All that is left is replace 3 frames and hang the queen cage in between two of the frames by pressing the cage into the wax on each side. Make sure the bees have access to her through the wire to feed her, and make sure the candy plug is accessable. You can even remove some of the candy plug using a nail just make a small hole through it. I no longer release queens this way, it is much too slow too many days lost waiting for the bees to release her, and if the queen is caged too long see may be superceded right away. I found if you mask the queens pheremones by spraying the bees with sugar water and then the queen you can release her right on to the combs with the bees. You have to be careful because a queen that has been caged can fly, make sure you get her wings wet. I talked to another beekeper in this area tha uses aftershave to mask the queens pheremones. Have fun with the bees. Elroy Article 24030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping swarms from absconding Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:26:18 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 32 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust59.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8cnf3h$bp1$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust59.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24030 > If you're having trouble with absconding swarms, place a queen > excluder between the first hive body and landing board. If the queen > stays, the swarm stays. Here are some more ideas: * Install the swarm into a hive, then keep the hive in *total* darkness for several days in a cool place, maybe in a garage or basement. Don't permit even a crack of light or they will crawl to it. You can inspect them during this time using red light. A $2 trailer tail light lens (available anywhere) taped to a flashlight works fine. You can see, but they can't. The idea is that if the bees will start to build comb and the queen to lay, then they will stay. It is necessary to ensure they have adequate feed and ventilation during this time. * Move the swarm 10 miles or more from where you found it. There is much less chance they will continue to their chosen spot, because they should be well out of their known territory. Lesser distances can work depending on terrain and how far the bees have been ranging. No absolute guarantees for this method, though. * Place a frame with eggs and young larvae with the swarm whether you decide to store them in the dark or not. Bees are reluctant to abandon young brood. This is also a good idea because, in case they are queenless or left with a failing queen, they will get to work raising a new one and you can decide whether to wait for it or to try to install a purchased queen. allen ------- More bee thoughts at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 24031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 09:44:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <38eefe50.80273821@news1.radix.net> References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24031 On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:24:23 GMT, southbee@my-deja.com wrote: >As a 3rd year beekeeper, I trudge on against these determined creatures, >I am learning some tips you might find useful. First of all, I used BT >against heavily infested frames. It killed the larvae for awhile. >However, it may dissuade bees from using the frame again because of the >residue. Freezing the frames seems to make the wax cells brittle and >breakable. Another item I discovered is that baby wax moth larvae seem >to congregate en masse underneath the pollen plugs stored in wax cells. >In duragilt, the moth larvae tunnel next to the plastic backing and can >leave most of the cells intact except for the gap they've made. To >remove the larvae/webbing, I have found that taking a toothpick, >inserting it in a cell and twisting it between one's fingers helps snag >the webbing and remove it and the eggs quite well. > >I speculate on a solution to this insect of mass destruction. Could a >foundation be designed to automatically color a cell a certain color if >a wax moth larvae is in it (by chemical reaction of some kind) >without injuring a bee larvae and have the beekeeper remove it. Maybe >better yet is to find a small predator of the wax moth and release it in >a hive? > >If anyone has any other wax moth ideas they've tried, I'd appreciate >hearing from you. > >Thanks. > >southbee Keeping strong hives works for me. You can't let the mites get to the point that they weaken the hive! Becomeing a better more diligent beekeeper will make all the difference in the world. Greg the beekeep Article 24032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF0A75.94975B58@crosslink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:31:17 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> <38ee7866.30756993@news.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn59.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 955207327 10550 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24032 Mine swarmed around 430 (they did not read book). As you were saying that they were hanging out on front of hive. These did not!! I did notice one thing though, they did not move up through the QE, so temporally I removed the QE's from the rest of the hives. When they have settled in , in the supers and swarm season is over, I will replace QE's, if needed. That will be based on if the Queen moves up. This Queen Excluder thing needs more research during swarm season. Idea's ANYONE??? "gfdavis"@usit.net\"\" wrote: > This hive swarmed around 1 pm and landed about 4 foot off the ground. > I shook them into hive put in one frame of brood. Should I requeen > this hive or what? 4/7/00 > > On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: > > >I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on > >front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This > >morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full > >or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in > >southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and > >is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are > >all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 24033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF5023.B59A06DB@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Supplies Grand Oppening Specials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:27:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.149 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 955207668 206.172.183.149 (Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:27:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:27:48 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24033 Visit www.honeyroad.com for some great grand oppening specials, with postage included! 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Allen Banks Honey Road Apiaries Article 24034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!news.stetson.edu!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:59:54 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 63 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust59.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8cnh2g$etd$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cnasi$b9b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust59.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24034 > > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. > > Anything I tried so far did not get through. > Me too!!! Here is the routine I finally figured out although > there must be an easier way > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ I used DejaNews for years because I could not find a good ISP that had all of s.a.b. Recently I found freewwweb ( http://www.freewwweb.com/ ) which provides free dialup and also has a good newsfeed, so I am now able to work offline using Outlook Express. Freewwweb does change a few things on one's computer when signing up, but I quickly got things back so that I can use my normal ISP and also freewwweb. I'm happy. Anyhow, back to Deja.com. Freewwweb is available all over the US and Canada, but is not available in some areas or in the boonies. However, Deja is available anywhere that you can get an internet connection. First, I should mention that there is a custom Deja *power search* of all of the past posts to s.a.b. at the top of the page at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ so anyone can go there and enter a query and immediately get all the past posts on any topic on one web page. That is often much more productive than writing a new post asking the same question that has already been answered recently, because people may be bored with the topic and not respond very well. Secondly, to get hassle free posting privileges from Deja, you should *join* Deja. If you do that, as a bonus you get to make your own web page (if you wish) and a web based email account (if you wish), and all kinds of privileges, including having s.a.b. emailed to you! (if you wish). You can then reply by email and not have to squat on the telephone line while you write. Maybe I should mention that once you are at the 'post' or 'reply' web page at Deja, you can hang up the phone and write for hours, then reconnect and send without losing the work. 'Back' and 'forward' browser buttons will take you back to your work if things go wrong. After registering at Deja, you will never have to go through the hassle of identifying yourself as long as you use the same computer and let it remember the passwords. The process is simple. When you are registered, you have a Deja home page, which you should bookmark and use as an entry point, with your groups on it and Deja remembers you without your having to sign in (I think you must allow 'cookies'). You can mark all message as 'old' if you like so when you return you only see the new messages. I have a whole page dedicated to getting connected to s.a.b. at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee/sci.htm . All the things on that page work for me, but if they do not work *for you*, let me know, because once a person does something like register at Deja -- for example -- the site treats that computer completely differently and the problems that others see may not appear. If you have troubles, write back and we'll get everyone using this excellent resource who needs it allen ------ Read my diary at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 24035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF5105.750C032F@gte.net> From: roy chapman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-GTE_NC4 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new queens losing marks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 X-Trace: /wsFG3i+9EQKGaFR/cH+WXOHA05rX3CYyKY0z32g1qnYnxEVLaTVtsTgDgu3cx7446PYUY7jGHx/!j9Pmz+uplhnM8iOwL++D+DcCdA8zWoIEpGAs/R9QOPeIQl3ZRtuK/sK7/oY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:35:18 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:35:18 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24035 Last week I received three marked queens to put in split and requeen small hives. It took about three days for the bees toeat through the candy in the queen cages and the queens were still marked at this point. There were no queens in hive bodt up to this time and bees were excepting them and feeding through screen on cages. I looked in on them yesterday and they were not marked anymore. My question is has anyone ever had this problem of the bees taking the markings off the queens? I know that they are the same queens as it has only been six days and I checked very carefully for queen cells and other queens on frames and found none. Any answers? Article 24036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new queens losing marks Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:39:41 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <38EF5105.750C032F@gte.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24036 I have heard of this before, the workers are so diligent in cleaning the queen they remove the mark all together. A solution to this may be a battle of 20,000 cleaning workers to 1 frustrated queen painting beekeeper if you know what I mean! Good luck, keep us updated! Don. roy chapman wrote in message news:38EF5105.750C032F@gte.net... > Last week I received three marked queens to put in split and > requeen small hives. It took about three days for the bees toeat > through the candy in the queen cages and the queens were still marked at > this point. There were no queens in hive bodt up to this time and bees > were excepting them and feeding through screen on cages. I looked in on > them yesterday and they were not marked anymore. My question is has > anyone ever had this problem of the bees taking the markings off the > queens? I know that they are the same queens as it has only been six > days and I checked very carefully for queen cells and other queens on > frames and found none. Any answers? > Article 24037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeeening after the swarm Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:45:00 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24037 I have had four swarms in the last two weeks, non of which I was hoping for, however, I have caught three. I haven't requeened any of them, and I have seen eggs in all three new hives. I believe if the queen isn't fit, which the hive usally figures out rather quickly, the'll replace her naturally. Just a thought. Richard Flanagan wrote in message news:20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com... > I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number > of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I > should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ > > > > Richard Flanagan in Charlotte NC > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 24038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:59:02 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24038 Hey Rodney, I recently attend a beekeeping short course, where Dr. Keith Delaplane spoke briefly on chalkbrood. He mentioned that chalkbrood can be caused by improper ventilation in the hive. The hive can't maintain the humidity in the hive, therefore some brood dies; giving that molt white "ghost" brood. The workers then clean the cell out and remove the ghost. He recommends to prop up the outside cover just a little. (I use a 3/4" piece of wood between the outside cover and inner cover) This will allow the bee's to control the humidity and air-flow much easier. Rodney Moore wrote in message news:2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are > carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. > Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the > ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are > they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth > larvae. Could this have something to do with it? > Article 24039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Alan/FreddySchultz/Chavarria" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: high voltage Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:05:21 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8cnp0h$25e$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.0b.32 X-Server-Date: 8 Apr 2000 17:07:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24039 I have also heard of problems due to high voltage, possible to the electro-magnetic fields....when a strong magnet is placed on a hive the bees loose all orientation and build their combs in a hap-hazzard fashion...I assume that electro-mag. fields influence the hive in a similiar fashon.... Article 24040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF323C.E08E5AFE@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggie Feeders References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38e85efa.115531949@news.earthlink.net> <027d01bfa05d$7553eba0$e7211c8e@nisgaa.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 X-Trace: /Kkf2O2i8Hrd1s5JUcPESnVY/MJzsmmpxAXeJP/oK9r3xVwWVLlduoSZbp+CYwmzlH6Wni6OjJu0!YQUfz6sPeQsm/Pj8tVEU9ZR+XSLHlKC0DTGs3+gus2Z0zialN3t0rYXnuzknlBjFj4neTueKKA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:59:47 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:59:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24040 grizzly bearnolds wrote: > > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. > Anything I tried so far did not get through. (This is a posting via email.) > > I have been reading sci.agriculture.beekeeping with much interest. > > Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA > mailto:mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Do you hit "Reply" or "Reply All"? Either of these should send your message. Good luck. Louise Article 24041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Caldwell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drawing Foundation Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:42:12 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24041 I am in need of drawn comb. I am hoping to pick up a swarm of two soon to use for this purpose. No calls as of yet. I did however remove a feral colony from an individual's home about a month ago and I am thinking about using them. I thought that I would feed them heavily for a week or so then shake them all off into a new hive with foundation. I would of course place a frame of brood in there with them. I did not get the queen when I removed them so by now they do not have much brood left. They do have a ripe queen cell about to emerge and I do have three nucs with super queens in them that I could use to requeen them with in the event this QC is a dud. I am thinking that this would be creating an artificial swarm and serve the same purpose as a normal swarm for drawing foundation. Any thoughts on this? Thanks in advance, Dave Article 24042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cn998$9hu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Lines: 28 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:01:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 955252885 209.32.197.8 (Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:01:25 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:01:25 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24042 >There has been a suggestion that when I collect another colony that I >could unite, others feel I should clean out and should start again - >would I be able to use the existing honey brood frames to supply the new >bees - or should I harvest that? Don't try to harvest this honey from the brood combs it most likely has pollen stored under it. The new package bees will really take off with all the stored pollen and honey. The bees that are there now and most likely are queenless will eat up another 3 or 4 lbs of honey before the finally die of, the honey is worth more than $1.00 lb in the comb. Some of the bees may even join another colony close by and then return to rob all the honey you have stored. also if some of these bees live long enough to be there when you install the new package they will most likely kill the new queen as soon as she gets released, because some of the worker bees will develop into drone layers by then. At this stage there is no help for them. Like I suggested earlier kill them now while your ahead then seal the hive and start over, you will feel better when you have a healthy colony to work on later. GEt a 3 lb package instead of a 2 lb it may cost an extra $10 but it will be almost twice as strong in 5 weeks as the 2 lb package. Elroy Article 24043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "Roel ten Klei" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cd-rom Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 07:48:14 +0200 Organization: WorldOnline - The Internet Communication Company Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8cp5iq$pd4$1@nereid.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp227-60.worldonline.nl X-Trace: nereid.worldonline.nl 955259290 26020 195.241.227.60 (9 Apr 2000 05:48:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@worldonline.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2000 05:48:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24043 You can order the Apimondia Gold medal winner CD-rom "honey bees and other insects" Bij sending your creditcard number and exp. date to bijenhuis@tip.nl we will withdraw US$ 27,50 and send you one postage included. if you like to fax dial + 31 317 424180 http://www.vbbn.nl Article 24044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 166.90.239.154 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: new queens losing marks Lines: 20 From: eanglin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <00254fe2.07b9b3c9@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> References: <38EF5105.750C032F@gte.net> Bytes: 996 X-Wren-Trace: eNbz29rDhM6Fl8zZ35/ZzMbAw8Dzy5fI3NWX1tDPj8ePhtiOiNiRi4OZg4aM Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:11:34 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.46 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 955274813 10.0.2.46 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:06:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:06:53 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24044 I have seen the markings rubbed/ cleaned off a few of my queens- I fuiured that the paint was not durable, and just flaked off. (It wore off in the center first, leaving a ring of blue paint.) You could clip the queen, if you just want to keep track of her,or re-mark her with a tiny drop of white-out correction fluid. I find that the white-out does wear off in a year or two, but by then I am ready to requeen anyway. Practise a LOT on drones and workers before doing a queen. Clean your fingertips with an alcohol wipe to make sure they are not sticky with propolis. (Alcohol wipes are available at pharmacys, with the diabetic or first aid supplies.) Springy thread snippers fron the fabric store are the best scissors I have found for clipping- no finger holes to find, and easy to use while preoccupied. Ellen Anglin * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 166.90.239.154 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 7 From: eanglin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0a5d0353.fa71b514@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com> References: <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cnasi$b9b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cnh2g$etd$1@news.smartworld.net> Bytes: 313 X-Wren-Trace: eImshIWc25HayJOGgMCGk5mfnJ+slMiXg4rIiY+Q0JjQ2YfR14fO1NzG3NnT Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:14:32 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.6 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 955275287 10.0.2.6 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:14:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:14:47 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24045 I used to use Dejanews, but I got fed up with how slow it is! Now I use remarq ( http://www.remarq.com ) Much faster, easy to use- I recommend it highly! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Who sells beeswax foundation molds? Message-ID: <38f05f92.885199@news.usit.net> References: <4qv9dskh6vcg76r5er1mt0k2h1u761fjoi@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 10:48:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 955277319 216.80.168.167 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 06:48:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 06:48:39 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24046 Brushy mountain in NC their site is www.beeequipment.com Article 24047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.giganews.com!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal2.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Balling? Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 07:32:43 -0500 Organization: The Internet Connection - ticnet.com (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6E0D5E116AE86177.29A58039EEE19023.9EBC386986408484@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <8cptmq$ukd@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Apr 9 07:39:54 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !d]hd4F\Ihq-jr. (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24047 I tried requeening a large hive that was somewhat testy and I really screwed up. I found (what luck!) the old queen quickly and killed her and put the new queen in her cage for bees to release. I also thought I was banking another queen to put in a weak colony that I didn't want mess with because of the chilly weather. When I went to pull the cage to retrieve the other queen, both were empty! I was curious, so I pulled a frame and found a small ball of bees (about the size of a quarter) that I poked at and caught a glimpse of a queen. I quickly put the frame back in and closed up the hive. I've read that new queens are easily disturbed and balled. If it happens what should we do? And the other question could there be 2 queens loose in the hive? Or was one probably killed by the bees or now both? This hive is really annoying and my ineptness doesn't help. It is a strong hive in beginner apiary of 2 packages, a nuc, and a very weak hive, so it's a bully with robbing and pestering the others being a continual challenge. I may combine the nuc with the weak hive or just requeen the weakling and see how it goes. I'm in Texas and our flow is just getting going. Jim Article 24048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38F087C8.ABAD94E2@together.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 09:38:17 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Balling? References: <6E0D5E116AE86177.29A58039EEE19023.9EBC386986408484@lp.airnews.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-9-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 9 Apr 2000 09:39:55 -0500, dial-9-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 75 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-9-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24048 I know "they" say to kill the old queen and give a caged queen, but I don't have much luck requeening that way. I'm not saying it can't be done that way, just... when someone says... all ya gotta do is.... the bells and whistles go off in my head. I feel the best way to requeen a colony is with a nuc. Assuming there is brood in both chambers, remove the top chamber, and shake ALL the bees back into the bottom chamber. Place an excluder on it, and place the top chamber on the excluder. The combs you shook go back in, and the hive is covered. Leave it overnight. Next day replace the excluder with a division board. Give the top chamber (the nuc) a caged queen and an entrance to the rear. The old bees fly back to the bottom, leaving young bees to tend the brood. They accept the queen readily. The old queen, or QUEENS, remain below. When the nuc's queen is laying well, and the nuc is getting strong (3-4 weeks), kill the old queen and unite the two with newspaper. I say queens because sometimes there are two queens in a hive. I requeened 100 colonies one year the way you describe. I killed the old queens, and gave a caged queen to each, not pulling the corks for 3 days. When I came back, many had released the queen by chewing away the corks. Several of these colonies were trying to ball the queens in the cages yet unreleased. That didn't seem right to me, so I looked a little deeper. In every one of those, I found freshly laid eggs. I found that seven of the 100 had a second queen. I tried another bunch of colonies the same way. This time I used home made introduction cages-all wire-no wood. I killed the old queens, and gave a new queen in my screen cage. Three days later, I checked. Most of the caged queens were being fed nicely. The bees on the screen were calm, making happy little buzzing noises. Some, on the other hand, were covering the cage, and obviously trying to ball the queen inside. In every instance, there was a second queen in the hive. Lesson-there are two queens in a colony more often than you think. So anyway, when you are ready to unite the nuc with the old colony, and have to kill the old queen, be sure that there is only 1 queen in the parent hive. Do this by shaking them through an excluder shaker box. How? Nail a wood bound excluder to the bottom of a good hive body. That will be your shaker box. Remove all the combs and bees from the parent colony, and place your shaker box on the parents hive body. Shake the bees into the shaker, and then slide the combs under it,back into the parent. Any queens will be left in the shaker box, after the bees go down through the excluder. Then unite the parent and the nuc with newspaper. I think you will have better luck with this procedure. Good luck. Mike Jim Sharp wrote: > I tried requeening a large hive that was somewhat > testy and I really screwed up. I found (what luck!) > the old queen quickly and killed her and put the > new queen in her cage for bees to release. I also > thought I was banking another queen to put in a > weak colony that I didn't want mess with because > of the chilly weather. When I went to pull the cage > to retrieve the other queen, both were empty! > > I was curious, so I pulled a frame and found a small > ball of bees (about the size of a quarter) that I poked > at and caught a glimpse of a queen. I quickly put the > frame back in and closed up the hive. > > I've read that new queens are easily disturbed and > balled. If it happens what should we do? And the other > question could there be 2 queens loose in the hive? > Or was one probably killed by the bees or now both? > > This hive is really annoying and my ineptness doesn't > help. It is a strong hive in beginner apiary of 2 packages, > a nuc, and a very weak hive, so it's a bully with robbing > and pestering the others being a continual challenge. I > may combine the nuc with the weak hive or just requeen > the weakling and see how it goes. I'm in Texas and our > flow is just getting going. > > Jim Article 24049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 24.112.144.102 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Storing new foundation. Lines: 7 From: arch63 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> Bytes: 364 X-Wren-Trace: eFx5UVBJDkQPG0RRVxdcdUZAWFRYURAEWl9eHwccC00CCFIMBkgHAwAP Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:50:02 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.24 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 955291521 10.0.2.24 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:45:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:45:21 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24049 I've been busy building hive bodies and frames etc.and am running out of room in my basement. Can I store the stuff in the garage? It is all new foundation only. Should I fear wax-moth? Thanks, Glen Archer. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Supplies Grand Oppening Specials Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 2000 15:57:19 GMT References: <38EF5023.B59A06DB@honeyroad.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000409115719.17963.00000519@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24050 You have nice stuff but I still think some of it is quite expencive I can get it locally for cheaper sorry but it is a great site Article 24051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 2000 16:05:44 GMT References: <6zdH4.5747$oX5.5303@jump.innerx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000409120544.17963.00000530@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24051 Good practice to start out with 10 frames to force the bees to draw it out properly. I keep 10 in brood boxes and after the honey supers are drawn out I'll put 9 frame spacers in honey supers only makes for uncaping much easer you get just as much honey in longer cells Article 24052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 2000 16:18:36 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000409121836.17963.00000540@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24052 I have 2 hives right now in New England and I aways use excluders I harvested 150 lbs off of one and 210 lbs off of the other. course there are tricks to it if your useing supers already drawn out the bees will go through if they are foundation they seem to not want ot rush up to draw it out so as long as I am useing new foundation I don't use the QE untill it is properly drawn out then I place it in there befor the queen finds some nice new cells to lay in. But if the bees fill the bottom up with honey sometimes the queen won't go any farther she will stop at the honey and go back down... Article 24053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 2000 16:24:03 GMT References: <20000331083328.22362.00000054@ng-df1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000409122403.17963.00000541@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24053 A paint stirer works well for a float also Article 24054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> Subject: Re: Storing new foundation. Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <5U2I4.5911$8v5.393581@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955300481 12.72.49.31 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:41 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24054 The new foundation offers wax moths nothing in the way of protein so they will be fine in the garage. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "arch63" wrote in message news:01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com... > I've been busy building hive bodies and frames etc.and am running > out of room in my basement. Can I store the stuff in the garage? > It is all new foundation only. Should I fear wax-moth? > Thanks, Glen Archer. > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > Article 24055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6E0D5E116AE86177.29A58039EEE19023.9EBC386986408484@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: Balling? Lines: 58 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <6U2I4.5912$8v5.393941@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955300482 12.72.49.31 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24055 If both were released, they will sort things out. You say you had a nuc. Was it queen-right?. A just about fail-proof way to re-queen is to remove 5 (or however many frames your nuc has) frames along with the queen from the hive and put then in a nuc. Now you still have the old queen as backup. The next day put the 5 frames from your other nuc with the new queen directly in the hive. There are lots of variations on this method but as long as you can introduce a laying queen that has been accepted in a nuc, your success is almost assured. One way of balancing a strong and weak hive is to swap their locations in the afternoon when foragers are out. The foragers from the strong hive will be returning to the weak hive and will be readily accepted. When it is time to re-queen the weak colony, use your nuc. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jim Sharp" wrote in message news:6E0D5E116AE86177.29A58039EEE19023.9EBC386986408484@lp.airnews.net... > I tried requeening a large hive that was somewhat > testy and I really screwed up. I found (what luck!) > the old queen quickly and killed her and put the > new queen in her cage for bees to release. I also > thought I was banking another queen to put in a > weak colony that I didn't want mess with because > of the chilly weather. When I went to pull the cage > to retrieve the other queen, both were empty! > > I was curious, so I pulled a frame and found a small > ball of bees (about the size of a quarter) that I poked > at and caught a glimpse of a queen. I quickly put the > frame back in and closed up the hive. > > I've read that new queens are easily disturbed and > balled. If it happens what should we do? And the other > question could there be 2 queens loose in the hive? > Or was one probably killed by the bees or now both? > > This hive is really annoying and my ineptness doesn't > help. It is a strong hive in beginner apiary of 2 packages, > a nuc, and a very weak hive, so it's a bully with robbing > and pestering the others being a continual challenge. I > may combine the nuc with the weak hive or just requeen > the weakling and see how it goes. I'm in Texas and our > flow is just getting going. > > Jim > > > Article 24056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:11:14 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8cqrgm$qbq$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdm02.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955314518 27002 62.188.4.22 (9 Apr 2000 21:08:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2000 21:08:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24056 Waxmoths do have their parasites. There is a small Ichneumon that I often see in my workroom windows when I have stored combs inside. It does not seem to act fast enough or in sufficient numbers to be rated a likely control organism. You do not say which moths you are troubled by, but it sounds like the lesser. When the greater comes along - no problem deciding what to do with the combs! Martin., MK, UK. wrote in message ......Maybe > better yet is to find a small predator of the wax moth and release it in > a hive? > Thanks. > > southbee > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing new foundation. Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:19:54 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8cqrgo$qbq$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdm02.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955314520 27002 62.188.4.22 (9 Apr 2000 21:08:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2000 21:08:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24057 Hi Glen, Yes, waxmoth will have a chew on foundation even if they can't grow properly on it. Better to store your new stuff outdoors with a good lid on it and a floor underneath. The cold discourages the waxmoths and even kills them if frosty. If a swarm moves in, just say thankyou. Storing new in same place as old is what spreads the pests from box to box. Don't be tempted to put boxes in plastic sacks - it just makes sure any moth you trap has no choice but eat what's in the bag. Martin, MK,UK. arch63 wrote in message news:01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com... > I've been busy building hive bodies and frames etc.and am running > out of room in my basement. Can I store the stuff in the garage? > It is all new foundation only. Should I fear wax-moth? > Thanks, Glen Archer. > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > Article 24058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NH weather Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:03:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.5.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 955328586 207.1.5.101 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:03:06 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:03:06 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24058 Sat 60+ degrees partly to mostly sunny with the afternoon wind gusts were reported up to 64 mph Now this was quite a site at the hive, the trees have just started popping and the pollen is rolling in. Sitting in front of the hive, 50 bees loaded landing, big wind, nobody around, calm for a second, 5o bees loaded. All afternoon, those girls should have been getting paid double time. Sun am pouring rain, buckets! noontime changed to snow. must be 30 degrees now. ear to the hives and the girls are back to shivering. don't like the weather in New England? wait a minute, it'll change.... Damon skep-tickle acres Sunapee NH Article 24059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38F14057.E283ED14@together.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:45:44 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VT weather References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-146-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 9 Apr 2000 22:47:33 -0500, dial-146-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 28 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-146-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24059 Wasn't yesterday a beaut! Bees back to work after a week and a half of cold weather. Painting covers in my t-shirt. What a difference a day makes. Didn't get any rain tho. Just a foot of snow. Guess we'll get two mud seasons this year. Mike St. Albans, VT Damon Josz wrote: > Sat 60+ degrees partly to mostly sunny with the afternoon wind gusts were > reported up to 64 mph > > Now this was quite a site at the hive, the trees have just started popping > and the pollen is rolling in. > Sitting in front of the hive, 50 bees loaded landing, big wind, nobody > around, calm for a second, 5o bees loaded. All afternoon, those girls should > have been getting paid double time. > > Sun am pouring rain, buckets! noontime changed to snow. must be 30 degrees > now. ear to the hives and the girls are back to shivering. > > don't like the weather in New England? wait a minute, it'll change.... > Damon > skep-tickle acres > Sunapee NH Article 24060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: miel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb method Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:52:55 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38F14207.C70A863E@ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.6e.e2.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 10 Apr 2000 02:55:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24060 Normand wrote: > Hi! I've been reading about varroa control using drone frames. > Now, I have a few frames deformed with extended cells covering most of the > area. > Could I use those frames or do I have to look for a supplier of those drone > frames? > Anybody else had success with this method? Pros? Cons? > Varroa floors look interesting too... > Just trying to avoid chemicals, Predator insects seem to like this method in > my garden, > makes you wonder sometimes what's best, chemicals or not? Normand - I used drone foundation, cut it to size to fit my "medium" sized frames; put two frames of this drone foundation in the brood box, on either side of the brood; came back 10 days later and the bees had torn the foundation up and carted it off somewhere....maybe I should have wired it in, but anyway, so far, I've not had success! Vivian Article 24061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:34:13 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.61 Message-ID: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 02:28:38 -0400, 208.24.176.61 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24061 I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? Thank you Larry Article 24062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jeff C." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> <20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com> Subject: Re: natural hive Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:37:34 +1000 Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.101.40.119 Message-ID: <38f19380@pink.one.net.au> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 18:40:32 +1000, 203.101.40.119 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!HSNX.atgi.net!newsxfer.interpacket.net!news.interpacket.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!pink.one.net.au!203.101.40.119 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24062 JMitc1014 wrote in message news:20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com... > Terramycin is not a chemical. TM is derived from a naturally occuring > substance. It's manufactured from fungi. This message is not meant to be personal. Please don't take it as such. I do tend to get a little annoyed by all this new-age chemical-free crap. It's all designed to play on peoples fear of chemicals whether or not such fear is justified. So, that having been said, sorry to be pedantic JMitc, but Terramycin IS, in fact, a chemical. There seems to be this fallacy (due in part to the new-age chemical-free crap mentioned above) that anything that comes from a natural source is not a chemical and is not dangerous. This is bullshit. Not all chemicals have to come from a human, industrial manufacturing process. While the dictionary definition of chemical, used as a noun, is: chemical (kem'i k'l) -n. any substance used in or obtained by a chemical process the chemical process can be (and is usually far more likely to be) a natural chemical process, rather than an industrial one. I guess most people would refer to it as biochemical rather than chemical, but this does not change the fact that the product of this process is itself a chemical. Biochemical just describes more closely the 'source' of the chemical process as being biological in nature. To further put a dampener on your parade, and while I'm on the case, Terramycin is not strictly speaking 'MANUFACTURED FROM' a fungi. I would have said "isolated from". The term manufactured implies, to be made by machinery or in a way regarded as being mechanical. While it may be the case that Pfizer (holder of USA Patent 2,516,080) could synthesis the drug, I doubt that they would. And while there will undoubtedly be some mechanical process used in the production of purified terramycin, I would suggest that 'manufactured from a fungi' is not the way production of terramycin should be described. For reference, Terramycin or 4-(dimethylamino)-1,4,4a,5,5a,6,11,12a-octahydro-3,5,6,10,12,12a-hexahydroxy -6-methyl-1,11-dioxo-2-naphthacenecarboxamide is an antibiotic isolated from the actinomycete, Streptomyces rimosus. Kind regards and I hope this adds to the realisation that chemicals are all around us, not just out of bottles sold by large nasty multinationals. Jeff Article 24063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:15:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38f1b7b0.56153672@news1.radix.net> References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24063 On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:34:13 -0500, "Larry W" wrote: >I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm >starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > >Thank you > >Larry > > No pros, lots of cons. Greg the beekeep Article 24064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Small radial extractors -- effective? Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:16:56 -0500 Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.61 Message-ID: <38f17089_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 02:11:21 -0400, 208.24.176.61 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24064 I bought that extractor from Peter 2 years ago and I am still using it. If you would like pictures of it email me. The gears are metal. I made some wire baskets to hold the frames better but other than that its still working great. I only have 2 hives though. Larry "Peter Amschel" wrote in message news:MPG.133f2aba6c35ece8989ab6@news.pe.net... > It was pretty durable and sturdy. I had 2 colonies with 4 full > sized hive bodies in each colony. > > In article , > wooten@netdoor.com says... > > I've got to ask if the extractor was built well enough to be worth buying > > and would it be useable for up to 10 hives. Have been looking at it in > > Dadant cat Were the gears metal or what? > > "Peter Amschel" wrote in message > > news:MPG.133ea937ff9e131989ab4@news.pe.net... > > > I had a plastic, hand cranked extractor. It was made in China, > > > ordered through Dadant. It cost about $100. It would spin two > > > frames at a time. The frames were set up facing the walls of the > > > extractor, not diagonal to the walls (radial?), so just with a > > > hand crank it was possible to put a lot of centrifugal force on > > > the frames and empty the cells and sometimes some of the comb > > > itself would be spun off the frame. My boys and I almost had to > > > go into business those years when I started out with Langstroth > > > frames, but now I am more of a leisure time beekeeper with my top > > > bar hive, so I sold my two-frame hand-cranked-extractor. > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com>, jwgbee@hotmail.com > > > says... > > > > Given that, the question is, do any others on the newsgroup find small > > > > radials effective? > > > > > > > > > > Article 24065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banking queens Message-ID: <38f1d138.348932921@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8cllf5$kh0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38EE92E2.81DA4314@together.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 37 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:02:35 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:04:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24065 Mike Do you do this on top of a queen right colony or a queenless colony? Dave On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:01:06 -0400, Michael Palmer wrote: >When I bank queens, I use a "7-wire" type excluder. Pick a strong colony >with the cluster in the top box. Remove the inner cover, and replace it >with the excluder. Place the queen cages face down on the excluder. The >wooden slats of the "7-wire" excluder maintain a space between the wires >and the cage. Cover the excluder and cages with a cloth (I use a wool >one). Next place a rim (shallow super) on the excluder. Then the inner and >outer cover. The bees will take care of the queens. I've kept queens for >months this way. Doesn't help their laying capabilities any tho'. Mike > >repbees@my-deja.com wrote: > >> I recently purchased several extra queens to be used to requeen some >> hives. I am presently faced with the problem of possibly having to >> delay the requeening for up to a couple or three weeks. Have any of >> you "Banked" queens in some manner- preferably in the shipping cages? >> I was wondering how long I might be able to keep them in a cool-not >> cold- quiet place by feeding them a drop or two of syrup a few times a >> day. I will certainly appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. >> >> repbees >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. > > > Article 24066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: liquid smoke Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:24:13 -0500 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.61 Message-ID: <38f1723e_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 02:18:38 -0400, 208.24.176.61 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24066 Just what is liquid smoke? Is it really a liquid that smokes or just a scent you spray? How do you apply it? Is it the same as what they sell for barbecue in the grocery? Thanks Larry Article 24067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 25 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:42:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955384920 12.72.51.117 (Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:42:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:42:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24067 For the life of me, I can't figure out why this stuff is still on the market other than being included in most beginner "everything-you-need" outfits. Worthless as mammaries on a male bovine. If you want durability, use plastic. It will hold up well in the extractor you bought from Peter. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Larry W" wrote in message news:38f17496_2@news.vic.com... > I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm > starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > > Thank you > > Larry > > Article 24068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 10 Apr 2000 22:19:41 GMT References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000410181941.03464.00000676@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24068 >I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm >starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > >Thank you > >Larry > > > > > Bees don't like plastic. If you have a few hives you're much better off sticking to Pure beeswax foundation. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: liquid smoke Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 10 Apr 2000 22:23:10 GMT References: <38f1723e_2@news.vic.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000410182310.03464.00000677@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24069 >Just what is liquid smoke? Is it really a liquid that smokes or just a scent >you spray? How do you apply it? >Is it the same as what they sell for barbecue in the grocery? > >Thanks > >Larry As far as I can tell its something the bees drink just before stinging the hell out of you. I can't say I would try it again. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Apr 2000 22:22:13 GMT References: <38F2182D.9ADB5D0E@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000410182213.29196.00000729@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24070 My personal opinion of duragilt is leave it in the supply house and use permadent, rite cell or pierco. Besides peeling and staying bald it has these sharp metal strips that make a nasty cut. It must be the cheapest thing available for beginner kits. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38F2182D.9ADB5D0E@midwest.net> <20000410182213.29196.00000729@ng-cd1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:10:00 -0500 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.94 Message-ID: <38f26c03_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 20:04:19 -0400, 208.24.176.94 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!hub.org!hub.org!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!208.24.176.94 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24071 Ok You convinced me I ordered what I have already beeswax wire foundation. Thank you all Larry "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000410182213.29196.00000729@ng-cd1.aol.com... > My personal opinion of duragilt is leave it in the supply house and use > permadent, rite cell or pierco. > Besides peeling and staying bald it has these sharp metal strips that make a > nasty cut. > It must be the cheapest thing available for beginner kits. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: high voltage Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:38:04 +0100 Message-ID: <$4rekKAMfl84EwNG@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <8cnp0h$25e$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955406845 nnrp-01:18579 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24072 In article <8cnp0h$25e$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, Alan/FreddySchultz/Chavarria writes >I have also heard of problems due to high voltage, possible to the >electro-magnetic fields....when a strong magnet is placed on a hive the bees >loose all orientation and build their combs in a hap-hazzard fashion...I >assume that electro-mag. fields influence the hive in a similiar fashon.... I was taught by police I was myself teaching that if "I ass-u-me" I make an ass out of you and me. Have you tested the "when ..."? If it is true, it's a bit like comparing a.c. and d.c. The average magnetic field of a.c. is zero. Read Murray MacGregor's post recently, where he sites hives under *very* high voltage transmission lines, although inside the pylon. -- James Kilty Article 24073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sttls1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: zarman@hotmail.com (Zarman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee's Wax wanted Message-ID: Organization: Fishnet X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:22:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.9.181.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sttls1.wa.home.com 955412576 24.9.181.105 (Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:22:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:22:56 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24073 I am looking for a good source of Bee's Wax I don't need the top quality stuff... I don't know very much about this topic but I live in Salem Oregon and I know that there are alot of Bees around here and alot of farmers. Is Bee Keeping ( starting) very hard? Is it very expensive? Brian -- Fish Net Web Hosting Services http://www.fnhosting.net For more info on web hosting services send a blank E-Mail to info@fnhosting.net or visit our Web site @ http://www.fnhosting.net Article 24074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:13:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 57 Message-ID: <8ctncq$5f1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> <8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-40.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 955408602 5601 62.136.23.40 (10 Apr 2000 23:16:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2000 23:16:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24074 Further to my post (below) there is an excellent website published by the Swiss Dairy Institute which covers treatment with thymol and oxalic acid (amongst other things): http://www.apis.admin.ch/ There is now some debate about the best concentration for oxalic acid - the latest recommendation is 45g to 1 litre of syrup, but I have not had any problems with 60g. (Cost about 2p per hive!). I prefer to use thymol crystals rather than all these new thymol based treatments - it seems to be very effective, simple to use and is very cheap! (about 32p per hive). Saturday was the first day this year that I have been able to get around the apiaries when the weather was good and I managed to look at about 70 hives; there were 4 losses (probably failed queens given the bad spring last year - I did not have time to look in detail as I needed to get supers on) and just a few weaker colonies - the rest looked better than I have seen them for several years. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > Treatment is based on a study reported from Spain in BeeBiz about three > years ago. > > They applied thymol crystals in various ways and doses. The best results > were obtained using 8g of powdered thymol placed on a watch glass over the > brood frames. Treatment was repeated weekly for four weeks. > > I use old honey jar lids and treat immediately the honey crop is removed in > August when the thymol evaporates readily. This is followed by a drip > treatment of oxalic acid (60g oxalic, 300g sugar, 1 litre water - 5ml per > seam of bees) in November to give a final clean up for winter (NB beware - > oxalic acid is highly poisonous and the dust must not be inhaled). > > I monitor about 25% of my hives and if mite levels are high in the spring I > give a treatment with thymol before adding supers. > > Thymol is very strongly anti-fungal and its effect on chalkbrood seems to be > a beneficial side-effect. > > Before Adam takes me to task, I have to say that I have not had time to do > any scientifically controlled tests - but have based my methods on what seem > to me from my researches to be sound principles. I am strongly against > polluting my hives with flumethrin/fluvalinate/amitraz etc and have now > survived 3 winters with varroa. Crops are excellent (above local averages) > but it is, of course, early days yet. Article 24075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:30:47 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.40.135 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 955409370 62.252.40.135 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:29:30 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:29:30 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24075 I am also a Shropshire beekeeper and launch the same query about a UK newsgroup. I am attending the National at Stoneleigh this week and I am hoping someone there will know. Alternatively John Phipps (BK Quarterly Editor) may know. Steve. Article 24076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> <20000410181941.03464.00000676@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 25 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:32:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955413160 12.72.50.221 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:32:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:32:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24076 I'll go out and tell the colony that drew 7 mediums of Pierco last year and produced a harvest of over 240 lbs with a 2 yr old queen. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20000410181941.03464.00000676@ng-fu1.news.cs.com... > > Bees don't like plastic. If you have a few hives you're much better off > sticking to Pure beeswax foundation. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: natural hive Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:58:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8csc4f$isj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> <20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com> <38f19380@pink.one.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.164 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 10 10:58:28 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.164 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24077 In article <38f19380@pink.one.net.au>, "Jeff C." wrote: > JMitc1014 wrote in message > news:20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com... > > Terramycin is not a chemical. TM is derived from a naturally occuring > > substance. It's manufactured from fungi. > .... > Kind regards and I hope this adds to the realisation that chemicals are all > around us, not just out of bottles sold by large nasty multinationals. > > Jeff > Wow, Jeff!! Very informative post. Thanks. I was thinking of answering Al's question by saying I do not believe it is possible to maintain beehives without some chemicals. The fact that almost all of the once plentiful feral hives are now gone tells us that. If it were not for beekeepers and their chemicals their would be very few bees in the world, almost none in the USA. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:54:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8csfdv$m87$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.83.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 10 11:54:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.83.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24078 In article <38f17496_2@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" wrote: > I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm > starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > > Thank you > > Larry > > I happen to use Duragilt foundation and can hopefully answer your question. Here goes: Pro: Duragilt is made by coating a thin plastic sheet with beeswax on both sides and crimping the cell bases into it. This combination provides a very strong foundation to survive the pressures of repeated extraction (centrifugal force while spinning a frame full of honey). They also come with 2 round holes (at the 2 lower corners of the frame) to provide a passage way for the bees to travel across the set of frames. The key here is durability. Con: The plastic sheet has a very smooth and shiny face so that if any foundation gets peeled off the plastic, there is little hope that the bees will come back to that area and build comb. This "bald" area sort of becomes a "non-stick" surface that the bees will not rebuild. I hope that this will help you. Good Luck, Paul B Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Message-ID: <38f1d747.350483234@news.usenetserver.com> References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 38 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:33:58 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:35:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24079 Last year while helping with a beginners beekeeping class, when we were building their starter frames, one of the older beekeepers was upset that they got duraguilt for beginners. About a month later, I read an article in ABJ which the author claimed the same thing that beginners shouldn't use it. Having a case of both duraguilt and crimp wire to use, I did an experiment. I started 4 hives from 4 frame nucs, 1-1 syrup and new foundation Two with duraguilt and 2 with crimpwire. After the first week, more frames of crimpwire were pulled. However all 4 hives wore pulling foundation. After the second week, the duraguilt had nearly caught up with the crimp wire and by the end of their first month all foundatation of both types was pulled ( I did rotate frames into the center and each hive had to deep brood boxes). I did the same thing with supers .. adding supers of duraguilt foundation to 2 hives and supers of crimp wire to the other 2. Same results .. although the crimp wire seems to get an early lead, after a short while, it doesn't really matter to the bees. These were Nebraska bees, so your mileage may vary Dave On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:34:13 -0500, "Larry W" wrote: >I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm >starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > >Thank you > >Larry > > Article 24080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:42:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8ctsdt$7sd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <8bbshc$ag1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.253 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 11 00:42:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.253 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24080 I haven't checked in this forum for a bit and we're presented now with one of the most active debates I can ever recall! If you're wondering what killed your bees look for honey. I they have honey then they probably didn't starve. Check the litter on the bottom board. Look HARD! I just lost 13 of 19 the first in 5 years.I've only lost 3 hives in the previous 4 years. Apistan went in the Fall after we harvested. The bottom boards are covered with mites anywhere from dozens to hundreds. The strips have seen their time come at least for this lineage of mites. So i'll do what I can to keep bees as best I can and if that means toxics so be it. I believe that research will prevail. Hopefully it will mean a better bee and a nontoxic safe (like bacteria) cure. I have a hard time believing someone is having 'wild' bees drop in their dead hives. Study your location. Someone elses bees are more than likely swarming and finding your boxes quite a find. Happens here fairly often. If you live within one or two swarm hops of a hobbiest or commercial enterprise your wild bees will have mites. there are so few wild bees left the only ones that exist are those in such remote areas they have succesfully avoided contact or range sharing of the bees that have mites. The last reported number I remember was from tv news last year that put the wild bee population as about 90% dead. If they have mites, they will die. period. It might be two winters, but I've seen mites swell in just one summer to phenomenal levels in a single hive. So if you're planning on not medicating plan on watching them turn to bird feed. It's one of those 'circle of life' kind of things. Perhaps we should be breeding Asian bees they've been coexisting with th e mites for quite a time. That's evolution in the works just a few hundred years ahead of ours. Does anyone know if Argentina/China/Brazil has the same level of trouble with the varroa mites? I can bet given the wonderful labor pool and high standard of living the beekeepers enjoy there that on the 45th day of every Checkmited hive in the country has there medication removed with not a chance if it getting in our foreign honey eh? Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:06:37 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38F2182D.9ADB5D0E@midwest.net> References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24081 Larry W wrote: > > I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm > starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > > Thank you > > Larry I can't speak for or against Duragilt, but plenty of others seem to have an opinion. I have used Rite-Cell plastic foundation from Mann Lake for brood and supers without any problems whatsoever. If the comb is damaged, it can be scraped off down to the plastic. Since the cell imprint is in the plastic, not a wax coating, the bees have something on which to rebuild. A light spray of wax seems to make the new foundation more inviting to the bees. I've learned a lot about Duragilt from this thread. From what I've read I wouldn't mess with it. AL Article 24082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I Need a swarm Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:00:54 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 4 Message-ID: <38F24106.37BDCE44@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 955400745 22987 129.101.81.41 (10 Apr 2000 21:05:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2000 21:05:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24082 I need a swarm. I live in Moscow ID- south of Spokane WA -Matthew Article 24083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bylaws Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:38:12 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 955467211 204.244.87.49 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:33:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:33:31 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24083 My neighbors want to start a new bylaw against beekeeping. They are in the process with a councillor with a few letters of complaint because they swarmed on their bushes last spring. I was told that a woman died in Australia trying to protect her kid against a swarm. Is there anybody who has had experience appealing to their council on that matter? I would appreciate any help. Thank you Normand Pemberton BC Article 24084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Subject: Moving hives Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:12:50 +0100 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: netway-nhs.ukcore.bt.net 195.99.125.202 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa03 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24084 A near neighbour (half mile) has to move house but will have a gap between selling and buying that makes it impossible for him to take his bees with him and he is going to start afresh. Whilst we can rehive the bees in my garden I am afraid that the foragers will return to the site of the old hive and weaken the hive at it's new site. Any tips on how to make the move as successful as possible? Geoff Article 24085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38f4b196.1760160@news.earthlink.net> References: <38F2182D.9ADB5D0E@midwest.net> <20000410182213.29196.00000729@ng-cd1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:05:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.205.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955476323 38.27.205.42 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:05:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:05:23 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24085 Top 10 reasons to use Duragilt: 1) Alot of beekeepers hold onto what they start with. 2) You're the wholeseller whom still has some on the back shelf. 3) Better than mud. 4) You only plan on beekeeping for 3 months then quitting for good. 5) You just started working for Dadant and want to impress the boss. 6) You just started working for MannLake and just wanted to impress the boss - with superior product testing. ..... Ok, I could only think of six. Anybody else? ..... Until they were melted out and replaced by 'snapping in' new plastic foundation, I could have shown you lots of Duragilt frames chewed down to the smooth plastic film. Pure wax foundation? Bees will draw it out faster than anything you can give them but bees will do what they want with it. With plastic foundation mistakes (burr comb, parallel comb, etc) are covered by scratching it down. Not to mention blown out foundation when you extract because there's insufficient strength in pure wax foundation. Great for cut comb, but why would you want to willingly step back 100 years in beekeeping? Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA Article 24086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!news!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F37EB9.BE5CD26F@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thom_fried SPAMt astes good_mbrad"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:37:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp27.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:37:06 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24086 The foragers will return to the original site. Try moving to a farm or similar spot at least 2 miles from the original and eventual. Farmers at this time of year are more than happy to receive a hive while crops bloom. Your local extension agent or SS Farm store, feed store etc. usually has a bulletin Bd. A notice stating free bees will usually grab attention. 6 weeks between moves should do it. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA new_user@email.msn.com wrote: > > A near neighbour (half mile) has to move house but will have a gap between > selling and buying that makes it impossible for him to take his bees with > him and he is going to start afresh. Whilst we can rehive the bees in my > garden I am afraid that the foragers will return to the site of the old hive > and weaken the hive at it's new site. Any tips on how to make the move as > successful as possible? > Geoff Article 24087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Need a swarm Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38f5ba99.4067668@news.earthlink.net> References: <38F24106.37BDCE44@uidaho.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:16:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.205.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955476971 38.27.205.42 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:16:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:16:11 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24087 CALL local pesticide outfits! Respectible businesses are extremely happy to send all bee business your way. Just try to return the favor with bee problems you can't cure, or the notorious 'bee-like' calls you get regarding wasps and yellow jackets. Tell them how far you're willing to travel and be prepared to jump in your car (with gear ready!) within 15-30 minutes of the call. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA. On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:00:54 -0700, Matthew Pollard wrote: >I need a swarm. I live in Moscow ID- south of Spokane WA >-Matthew > > Article 24088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F37F1E.4538B2FF@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thom_fried SPAMt astes good_mbrad"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bylaws References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:38:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp27.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:38:47 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24088 Quickly call your local inspector, University Entomology department and enlist their help. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Normand wrote: > > My neighbors want to start a new bylaw against beekeeping. > They are in the process with a councillor with a few letters of complaint > because they swarmed on their bushes last spring. > I was told that a woman died in Australia trying to protect her kid against > a swarm. > Is there anybody who has had experience appealing to their council on that > matter? > I would appreciate any help. > Thank you > Normand > Pemberton BC Article 24089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.online.be!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Bullfrogs X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <38F38621.2E8E586@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:08:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24089 Group, Just installed my first three packages over the weekend. The hives are located on the dam of a small pond. I noticed as a friend and myself were doing the installation that this pond is LOADED with bullfrogs. I'm having visions of frogs gathered around the entrance of my hives making a meal of my bees even as I write this. Has anyone had any experiences with bullfrogs they would care to share? Should I be worried? Thanks, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 24090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bullfrogs Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Apr 2000 21:13:32 GMT References: <38F38621.2E8E586@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000411171332.23349.00000335@nso-cq.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24090 In article <38F38621.2E8E586@nospam.boeing.com>, "Billy Y. Smart II" writes: > >Just installed my first three packages over the weekend. The hives are >located on the dam of a small pond. I noticed as a friend and myself >were doing the installation that this pond is LOADED with bullfrogs. I'm >having visions of frogs gathered around the entrance of my hives making >a meal of my bees even as I write this. Has anyone had any experiences >with bullfrogs they would care to share? Should I be worried? > Here are three excellent reasons the Frogs should be worried; ((((TRY THIS))) BATTER FRIED FROG LEGS 1 egg, beaten 1/2 tsp. salt 2 lbs. frog legs 1/2 c. cornmeal 1/8 tsp. pepper 1/2 c. cooking oil Mix the egg, corn meal, salt and pepper together to form a batter. Dip the frog legs into the batter, then fry in the oil in a large heavy skillet for 25 minutes, turning so they brown evenly on all sides. FROG LEG STEW WITH A KICK 3 lb. frog legs 1 garlic, chopped fine 1 onion, chopped fine 1/8 tsp. thyme 1/8 tsp. cayenne pepper 2 cans tomato puree 6-8 cans water 1/2 tbsp. basil 1/8 tsp. sea salt 2 tbsp. olive oil Break the frog legs apart and saute in olive oil until almost cooked, then allow to cool. Add them to the other ingredients which have been simmering together and cook 1 1/2 to 2 hours. Serve over rice or pasta. FROG LEGS 10-12 frog legs 4 tbsp. salt 3 pt. water Pepper to taste 1 c. flour 1 cube butter 1/2 c. light cooking oil 1 lg. chopped onion 1 sm. can sliced mushrooms, drained 1 can clam chowder soup 3 tbsp. white wine 1/4 c. sour cream Clean and skin legs. Mix salt and water. Soak 2 hours or longer. Add pepper. Roll in flour. In skillet, heat butter and oil. Brown legs quickly, about 5 minutes on each side. Pour off drippings and place legs in baking dish. In same skillet, saute onion and mushrooms. Add soup, wine, and sour cream. Mix well. Pour over frog legs. Bake at 250 degrees for 30 minutes. Article 24091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Need a swarm Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Apr 2000 21:07:04 GMT References: <38f5ba99.4067668@news.earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000411170704.21764.00000308@nso-cp.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24091 In article <38f5ba99.4067668@news.earthlink.net>, qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) writes: > >CALL local pesticide outfits! Respectible businesses are extremely >happy to send all bee business your way. Just try to return the favor >with bee problems you can't cure, or the notorious 'bee-like' calls >you get regarding wasps and yellow jackets. > A note on the bulletin board at the EMR dispatch location is helpful too, often this is a firehouse. You would be amazed at the number of "emergency" bee calls they get. Article 24092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!bignews.mediaways.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!easynet-melon!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: They Swarmed Message-ID: <955407122@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 23:32:10 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 8d74afa5 REPLY: 240:44/0 7d3f8876 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(145) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 955431126 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24092 Destroying queen cells is not a helpful method of swarm reduction. At best it buys you a little time. If you find queen cells at this time of year they will probably swarm so the best thing to do is to do it to them before they do it to you. Make an artificial swarm by any of the many methods described in the books and, if you do not want increase, re-unite them when the new queen is laying well. She will probably depose her mother after a while. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A.Poluektov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> <8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8ctncq$5f1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:12:58 +0400 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip39.parma.ru Message-ID: <38f30368@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.parma.ru X-Trace: 11 Apr 2000 14:51:27 +0400, ns.parma.ru Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.rosprint.net!news.parma.ru!ip39.parma.ru Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24093 Thank Peter I have yet two questions: 1. You treated with thimol crystals 4 times? It is a lot of labour. 2. You spraying or trickling oxalic acid? Andrey >Further to my post (below) there is an excellent website published by the >Swiss Dairy Institute which covers treatment with thymol and oxalic acid >(amongst other things): > >http://www.apis.admin.ch/ > >There is now some debate about the best concentration for oxalic acid - the >latest recommendation is 45g to 1 litre of syrup, but I have not had any >problems with 60g. (Cost about 2p per hive!). > >I prefer to use thymol crystals rather than all these new thymol based >treatments - it seems to be very effective, simple to use and is very cheap! >(about 32p per hive). > Article 24094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:32:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4We$$LAbY784EwO5@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955496322 nnrp-14:25255 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24094 In article , Steve Watkins writes > >I am also a Shropshire beekeeper and launch the same query about a UK >newsgroup. I am attending the National at Stoneleigh this week and I am >hoping someone there will know. Alternatively John Phipps (BK Quarterly >Editor) may know. > >Steve. Try http://www.kentbee.com for a newsgroup and if you are interested in the Bee Improvement and Bee Breeders Association, of which I am a member, try http://www.bibba.com as we have our own *members* discussion group. I wonder if navigating from kentbee might get you others. I have not been looking myself but the number of UK sites, mostly local associations is increasing. Also try Thorne's site http://www.thorne.co.uk for links. Personally I find the s.a.b group fine. I contribute as I feel, especially if someone is from UK and also I find it hard to control my compulsion to stick my two pennyworth in to lots of threads. It is too addictive! -- James Kilty Article 24095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarms/nucs Message-ID: <38f3bae0.25151854@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:59:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 955497603 216.80.168.196 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:00:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:00:03 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24095 I have had three swarms the last two weeks. I fed sugar water this must have really done the trick for build up. I had to put this last swarm in brushy Mt. swarm trap the long one. I have ordered more equipment. How do I go about transferring to new hive when I get it setup? Will these swarms produce much honey? The trees here have just started coming out most still a couple of weeks off. Also how many supers will the old hive likley use this year? Thanks for the responses Article 24096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bylaws Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:49:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955500586 4.33.104.63 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:49:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:49:46 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24096 "Normand" wrote: >My neighbors want to start a new bylaw against beekeeping.... >Is there anybody who has had experience appealing > to their council on that matter? Normand, Beekeepers in some communities have responded by proposing an ordinance that is more reasonable than a complete beekeeping ban. It was successful here in a community near Dallas, Texas. It was also be worked in Ohio by Kim Flottum, but I do know the result. American Bee Journal or Bee Culture published a model beekeeping ordinance a few years ago (anyone have that reference?). Some elements of a model ordinance can be found at: http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/IPM/news/pestalrt/vol14/Pest14-10.html#anchor42687 also interesting, a community legalizing beekeeping: http://vh30012.vh3.infi.net/news/news1019d.htm -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 12 Apr 2000 03:32:30 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24097 >I'll go out and tell the colony that drew 7 mediums of Pierco last year and >produced a harvest of over 240 lbs with a 2 yr old queen. > >- I'll show you the thousand frames or so I inherited from another beekeeper. My mentor actually had splits that swarmed rather than drawing out the plastic. Maybe it works real good with one hive when you have all the time in the world, but with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almond Honey Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:52:47 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.61 Message-ID: <38f3ffd6_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 12 Apr 2000 00:47:18 -0400, 208.24.176.61 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24098 Does anybody know where I can buy a small quantity of Almond honey? Thanks Larry Article 24099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:47:33 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 955518344 203.37.7.78 (Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:45:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:45:44 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:45:44 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24099 i think i'd be a little more careful with definitive statements such as "but with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic", bees will draw and fill plastic foundation. it depends very much on preparation, colour and pattern -- Barry Metz Robert Williamson wrote in message news:20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com... > >I'll go out and tell the colony that drew 7 mediums of Pierco last year and > >produced a harvest of over 240 lbs with a 2 yr old queen. > > > >- > > I'll show you the thousand frames or so I inherited from another beekeeper. My > mentor actually had splits that swarmed rather than drawing out the plastic. > Maybe it works real good with one hive when you have all the time in the world, > but with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic. > > > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:59:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8d1oee$9g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.83.146 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 12 11:59:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.83.146 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24100 In article , "Barry Metz" wrote: > i think i'd be a little more careful with definitive statements such as "but > with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic", bees will draw and fill > plastic foundation. it depends very much on preparation, colour and pattern > > -- > Barry Metz > Robert Williamson wrote in message > news:20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com... > > >I'll go out and tell the colony that drew 7 mediums of Pierco last year > and > > >produced a harvest of over 240 lbs with a 2 yr old queen. I agree with Barry and George... I had a single hive produce 105 pounds of honey during a drought and all of it was on Duragilt. I guess I'll need to tell the bees that they didn't really do what they did. I think the "REAL" answer here is that since there are several types of foundation available AND that Duragilt is still available and sells, the beekeeper has a choice to make and probably should use what works best for him/her. One thing that seems surprizing to me is the comments about how bad Duragilt is and that bees won't work on plastic, but... all the newest frames are made out of more and more plastic. WOuldn't you think that we're going in the wrong direction??? Good Luck, Paul B. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!demos!px.f1.ru!not-for-mail From: "ïðë-íáû" Newsgroups: relcom.auto,relcom.commerce.cars,relcom.commerce.construction,relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,ukr.commerce.food,ukr.commerce.machinery Subject: ëÕÌØÔÉ×ÁÔÏÒÙ ëððû-6. !!!! 7 (óåíø ) !!!!!!!! ÏÐÅÒÁÃÉÊ ÏÂÒÁÂÏÔËÉ ÐÏÞ×Ù ÚÁ ÏÄÉÎ ÐÒÏÈÏÄ ÐÏ ÐÏÌÀ !!!!!!!!!!!! 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Come by at http://www.buffalocreekhoney.com Article 24103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarms/nucs Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <12429-38F4B383-26@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <38f3bae0.25151854@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAyBYoVLj5aAOm0y7RmnsahAVf2ZICFQCWGtje8qCYQ9B3iSRYCwd2Yfr7Vw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24103 A little more information may help others respond. For example: Where are you located (what are your nectar flows likely to be over the spring/summer)? How many hives do you want to end up with? Are you doing anything to prevent furhter swarming? What is the size of your current hive(s)? ------------------------------------------------------------ To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 209.244.88.145 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Antique Smoker on Ebay Lines: 12 From: eanglin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0906b30e.3e96ec3f@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com> Bytes: 377 X-Wren-Trace: eLyZsbCp7qTv/aaztfWzpqyqqaqZof2itr/9vLql5a7j47Lv5qjn6ujz6e3n Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:30:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.45 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 955563962 10.0.2.45 (Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:26:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:26:02 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24104 An antique, cone shaped smoker is up for auction on ebay- thought some of you might be interested. (No I am not the seller!) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=303748282 Item # 30374828 Ellen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom in Honey Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:23:21 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 29 Message-ID: <389b5a27.433938@news.freeserve.net> References: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> <38954e04.775376@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.132.217 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 955567825 1NNUCNF1G84D9C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24105 On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:59:45 GMT, boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (Booth Museum of Natural History) wrote: Interesting. Your only just down the road from me. I am over in Worthing. To continue on from your message. Has it been confirmed that they actually use venom as I thought (I am fairly new to this) that they added enzmes via their honey stomoach? If they do add a drop of venom to each cell of sealed honey then it seems to contradict some other claim I have read. This says that the bee has something like .3mg of venom in its venom sac but that this is not replenished if used. Clearly to add venom to every cell it would need regenerate its venom supply? I am not disagreeing, just wondering which if any is true? Thanks >and before each comb-cell is sealed up the bee >injects a drop ofacid from her sting, and so gives to the honey an >aseptic property. that is why it is so good for sore throuats or >chafed skins.' Quote provided by Gerald Legg >Booth Museum >Brighton >(and beekeeper) Article 24106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:45:23 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p62.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955570864 2742 203.96.192.62 (12 Apr 2000 20:21:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 20:21:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24106 Greetings All The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of border control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically free from Varoa mite. It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years and we are reeeeeally very annoyed about this, mainly because in the past decade our NZ border controls at the ports have become so slack. People have been finding snakes and all sorts of bugs coming into this country inside containers, which indicates our border controls are not being careful enough and the controls aren't being adhered to in the appropriate manner. Historically this was never the case. One of the properties where Varroa was found is a commercial apiary, so this is devastating for the apiarist ... and those involved in the industry. I think, initially at least, the action they are taking is to destroy all hives where the mites are being found .... an area from North of Auckalnd to South of Hamilton has been quaranteened and no bees are to be move in or out of that area .. we are included in that area... for us this is not as devastating sa it might be for others, we only have a total of 10 hives at 2 different locations..... it will still be devastating though if we are forced to destroy our hives... i've inadvertently killed bees when removing comb etc and that is bad enough. I've never paid much attention to the varroa mite threads in this ng, as it was not applicable to our situation, now i am forced to seek our as much information as possble. It would be good to have as much information about varroa mite as possible, and i would appreciate any good websites about this pest and control measures. How do you overseas beekeepers control or cope with the pest? Do you destroy all hives? also i was reading a British book wish recommended a certain pesticide strip to be hung between the frames. The book also spoke of a herbal essence which could be attachedto sticky paper and hung between the frames, non-harmful to bees but repellent to the mite, it was a herb i never heard of and as far as i know is not grown here... I am away from my bookshelf at the moment but if anyone is interested I could post it here when I've recovered the name of the plant... does anyone know of other possible natural measures that repel the varroa mite? .. might sound a bit alternative and strange but at this stage I'm interested in _all_ avenues and those least harmful to the bees many thanks and much despair aroha mai carman NZ Article 24107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom in Honey Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:24:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8d2rap$tig$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> <38954e04.775376@news.pavilion.net> <389b5a27.433938@news.freeserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-211.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 955576473 30288 62.136.2.211 (12 Apr 2000 21:54:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 21:54:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24107 Is it not amazing that these old myths are still being quoted? You are correct - they do add enzymes. Steve Newport wrote in message news:389b5a27.433938@news.freeserve.net... > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:59:45 GMT, boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (Booth > Museum of Natural History) wrote: > > Interesting. Your only just down the road from me. I am over in > Worthing. > > To continue on from your message. Has it been confirmed that they > actually use venom as I thought (I am fairly new to this) that they > added enzmes via their honey stomoach? > > >and before each comb-cell is sealed up the bee > >injects a drop ofacid from her sting, and so gives to the honey an > >aseptic property. that is why it is so good for sore throuats or > >chafed skins.' > Quote provided by > Gerald Legg > >Booth Museum > >Brighton > >(and beekeeper) Article 24108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:35:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8d2rar$tig$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> <8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8ctncq$5f1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <38f30368@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-211.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 955576475 30288 62.136.2.211 (12 Apr 2000 21:54:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 21:54:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24108 Thymol is very quick and easy to use - I put an old honey jar lid on the queen excluder (I always knew that I would find a use for the lids when my customers return jars to me!) and simply add 8g - about a teaspoonful - of thymol each week. I do not cover this, or put the thymol in any sort of bag. Trickling the oxalic - I do not want to risk spraying as this seems to be a considerable health risk to me! I do not want to have to work in a special mask. Trickling requires only rubber gloves and a suitable syringe to dispense the syrup; again, this is very quick and easy - my wife and I have fed 90 colonies with fondant and treated with oxalic at the same time in 8 hours. A.Poluektov wrote in message news:38f30368@news.parma.ru... > Thank Peter > I have yet two questions: > 1. You treated with thimol crystals 4 times? It is a lot of labour. > 2. You spraying or trickling oxalic acid? > Andrey Article 24109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:54:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-211.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 955576476 30288 62.136.2.211 (12 Apr 2000 21:54:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 21:54:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24109 Very sorry to hear that you have joined the club. I do hope that your government will not now make the same mistakes as so many others. My advice would be: 1 In view of the length of time that you have had varroa you might as well accept that it is endemic. 2 There is therefore no point in destroying colonies or setting up exclusion zones. 3 It would be impossible for anyone to give you a simple 'answer' to varroa in a posting here - but have a look at the archives where you will find a great deal of useful material. 4 A search on 'varroa' will produce more web sites than you will read and digest in a week - perhaps a month! 5 There is a vast amount of literature that has been published - buy the books and start studying. 6 Treatment is broadly divided between 'hard' chemicals (e.g. Bayvarol, Apistan etc), soft chemicals (thymol, formic/lactic/oxalic acids) and mechanical (removal of drone brood etc). You will need to make up your own mind about them (hard chemical contaminate the wax and varroa is becoming resistant to them, soft chemicals may be less easy to use but some of us believe that they are more environmentally friendly, mechanical methods are hard work!). 7 Resistant bees are probably some way off - so do not rely on that one! 8 There is new hope the varroa can be controlled with fungi - some really promising work going on in this country. 9 Above all else - be vigilant. Varroa populations increase at an incredible speed and by the time that you notice that you have a problem it will probably be too late. Colonies can look very good at the end of the summer with huge populations which then collapse in weeks; the reason is that the brood is infested and the emerging bees will be damaged - so what appears to be a healthy colony is simply the old bees - and there will be nothing to replace them. I wish you the very best of luck and hope that you will learn from those who are already living with the problem. Don't give up - there is life (and beekeeping) after varroa - it is just a bit more difficult. Carman wrote in message news:8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz... > Greetings All > The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of border > control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically free > from Varoa mite. > It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years Article 24110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:57:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955576711 nnrp-13:12945 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 85 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24110 In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. >Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our snip >It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years and we are reeeeeally very snip >I think, initially at least, the action they are taking is to destroy all >hives where the mites are being found .... an area from North of Auckalnd to >South of Hamilton has been quaranteened and no bees are to be move in or out >of that area .. we are included in that area... for us this is not as snip I am really sorry about your news. It is a stage most of us go through wherever we are in the world. We in the UK tried the quarantine approach county by county as it spread inexorably once in. Spread is pretty inevitable over the years. Unfortunately beekeepers in an island have a major role in moving the mite around (as on a continent too). It reached West Cornwall in 1996 about 8 years after it was discovered in the UK because a beekeeper happily brought swarms into the area from an area where varroa was known. Quarantine may slow down the spread but since migratory beekeeping in and out of the area in the last 4 years will have spread the varroa as far as the beekeepers took their hives, you are probably far too late. Nevertheless you will probably be controlled by your Government Officers to some strict routine or other. I believe it is vital that you *don't* destroy colonies. It will do no good unless you destroy every colony in both islands and wait 3 years. In the meantime attract and destroy all swarms from feral colonies. Then you can restock and pray. I cannot see anyone doing this. Of course you could just wait and let them die on their own and hope some strain evolves that can resist the mite. Again no-one (in their right mind?) would do this. So, it's not the way to go. Bite the bullet. You'll get help in this newsgroup. The strip you refer to is routinely used with varroa in the hive by a very high percentage of beekeepers. It has 2 forms: Bayvarol and Apistan, each with very similar chemicals harmless to bees and honey. Resistance will develop quickly (within a few years) see http://www.ifas.ufl/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm and navigate to Feb 99 issue. Try also http://www.iacr.bbsrc.ac.uk and navigate through nematology and entomology to Katie Shaw's paper. I am sure you'll get lots of help and other excellent URL's on this newsgroup. One piece of good advice is to fit a varroa mesh floor in at least one hive in each apiary. Best is stainless steel wire at 6 per inch. The dead varroa fall through on to a simple drawer and numbers can be counted weekly. There is also a calculator produced in the UK which is a bit involved, but it works out the number of days before you *must* treat. There are other treatments which I am sure others will let you know about involving essential oils, formic acid, lactic acid, oxalic acid and so on and some excellent sites. Make sure you research them properly as there is some not so accurate information available. The effectiveness of all approaches depends on careful adherence to instructions and in some cases on local conditions. Culling of drone brood can help. A lot depends on how active the management of varroa the beekeeper wants to be. This is why Apistan and Bayvarol were first choice by most. Regrettably, a more potent chemical is now offered in the USA following resistance development. It is not licensed in the UK and I hope never will be. I hope to alternate essential oils (wintergreen) with apistan until I recognise resistance. One promising one involves a slurry of oil of wintergreen with liquid paraffin (mineral oil in the USA) and beeswax. Used properly, it seems to keep the mite levels down to a low number. Again, someone else will surely provide details. One URL I have is http://www.wvu.edu~agexten/varroa2.htm. I haven't tried this recently, so mailto:jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu and ask for a URL to the site giving the latest results on essential oils. Don't despair, the experience in Europe is that wild honeybees are decimated, leaving only swarms to keep a low feral population, half or more beekeepers give up as they cannot adapt, honey production goes down for a while and then picks up. New beekeepers and established beekeepers who adapt develop a higher standard of beekeeping, notably in hygiene and honey production rises above the original value. In the doldrums, watch out for thieves who look out for replacements for lost colonies!! All best wishes -- James Kilty Trading as Honey Mountain : honey for local shops plus beeswax candles in the Trevarno Gardens shop. Small Bee Centre open to visitors. tel/fax +44 (0)1736 850373 Article 24111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chickens and bees Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:18:38 -0400 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: ClPtDcs+HxXE1DKYwQUsQCs6GfisFQk7tL/3VnUsjfM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 22:17:07 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24111 I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. Does anyone see a problem with this? Thanks, Keith Article 24112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca!not-for-mail From: deviant Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Word up Date: 12 Apr 2000 22:35:39 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8d2tnr$qil$8591@testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.104.241.224 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24112 Check out my music at http://nav.to/deviant3/ eveything under the sun.. mp3s and impulse tracker files are available... Article 24113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:45:23 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdy03.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955583338 1237 62.188.8.195 (12 Apr 2000 23:48:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 23:48:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24113 James and Peter have both given excellent advice in the previous two messages. What they both convey without actually saying it is DON'T PANIC!!! Varroa can be kept under control. It takes different courses in different places mainly because it is the associated viruses that kill the bees, not the V.j. itself. Don't try to decide between the different kinds of treatment/control, but make your mind up to use a mixture of all the available methods and to vary the treatment so that the mites don't have such a good chance of being selected for resistance. If you are dead unlucky, the mites you have are already resistant to some of the treatments. The most likely candidate is Apistan resistance. What you must NOT do is wait until something happens - by the time you notice anything in the course of 'normal' beekeeping, your hive is already overrun. Take measures to find out how many mites you have by doing the floor checks and knock downs with 24 hour treatments over a mesh floor. You will be overwhelmed with advice, but the most important is Don't Panic - test to see what the problem is. I talked to the Palmerston North Bee Club about Varroa a couple of years back - I guess they are wishing they had taken notes and listened by now! Martin, MK, UK. James Kilty wrote in message news:iC55KWABFP94Ewl8@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > >Varoa mite has been confirmed .............. etc. Article 24114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 46 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:55:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955583707 12.72.50.139 (Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:55:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:55:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24114 Wow, I've donned my flame-proof knickers now. FWIW, I don't have only one hive. I sited this an example when I was evaluating plastic vs. wax. As for time, my kids will tell you I have very little and I would like to hear you argue that it takes less time to use wax/wood than Pierco (no cheating by buying wax/wood already assembled). On this NG, Allen Dick probably has the most experience with Pierco and other plastics and has posted a lot of information on BEE-L. Since you don't have the time and I apparently do, I did a search of the archives for you. You'll find his assessment at: http://listserv.albany.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9806D&L=bee-l&P=R497&m=13878 If you do find the time, search for "pierco or plastic" in the subject at: http://listserv.albany.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com... > > I'll show you the thousand frames or so I inherited from another beekeeper. My > mentor actually had splits that swarmed rather than drawing out the plastic. > Maybe it works real good with one hive when you have all the time in the world, > but with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic. > > > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:32:11 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8d3218$16l$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdy03.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955583336 1237 62.188.8.195 (12 Apr 2000 23:48:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 23:48:56 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24115 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > Very sorry to hear that you have joined the club. > > I do hope that your government will not now make the same mistakes as so > many others. My advice would be: > > 1 In view of the length of time that you have had varroa you might as well > accept that it is endemic. > 2 There is therefore no point in destroying colonies or setting up exclusion > zones. > 3 It would be impossible for anyone to give you a simple 'answer' to varroa > in a posting here - but have a look at the archives where you will find a > great deal of useful material. > 4 A search on 'varroa' will produce more web sites than you will read and > digest in a week - perhaps a month! > 5 There is a vast amount of literature that has been published - buy the > books and start studying. > 6 Treatment is broadly divided between 'hard' chemicals (e.g. Bayvarol, > Apistan etc), soft chemicals (thymol, formic/lactic/oxalic acids) and > mechanical (removal of drone brood etc). You will need to make up your own > mind about them (hard chemical contaminate the wax and varroa is becoming > resistant to them, soft chemicals may be less easy to use but some of us > believe that they are more environmentally friendly, mechanical methods are > hard work!). > 7 Resistant bees are probably some way off - so do not rely on that one! > 8 There is new hope the varroa can be controlled with fungi - some really > promising work going on in this country. > 9 Above all else - be vigilant. Varroa populations increase at an > incredible speed and by the time that you notice that you have a problem it > will probably be too late. Colonies can look very good at the end of the > summer with huge populations which then collapse in weeks; the reason is > that the brood is infested and the emerging bees will be damaged - so what > appears to be a healthy colony is simply the old bees - and there will be > nothing to replace them. > > I wish you the very best of luck and hope that you will learn from those who > are already living with the problem. Don't give up - there is life (and > beekeeping) after varroa - it is just a bit more difficult. > Carman wrote in message > news:8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz... > > Greetings All > > The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > > Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > > major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of border > > control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically > free > > from Varoa mite. > > It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years > > Article 24116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 00:06:21 GMT References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000412200621.06405.00000318@nso-fs.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24116 In article <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Angela Copi" writes: > >I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. >Does anyone see a problem with this? > >Thanks, No, they get along well together. Now I have heard past reports on the Africanized honey bee does not get along with chickens, so beware if you are in the AFB region as I am. Article 24117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 02:12:05 GMT References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000412221205.15431.00001287@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24117 Well good luck but Plastic is not my preferance Article 24118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarms/nucs Message-ID: <38f51a71.4210484@news.usit.net> References: <38f3bae0.25151854@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 25 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:05:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.191 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 955587959 216.80.168.191 (Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:05:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:05:59 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24118 I am located in southwest va. I really don't want any more hives this year. Two of the hives were started last spring I haven't opened these up to check for queen cells and the other hive is going on third year it swarmed 2 or 3 times last year and i still got 2 or 3 supers of honey. The other hive was also started last spring, but I gave it a frame of brood and it exploded. I think this is were the swarms came from I did find queen cells in it this spring, but all three swarms couldn't have come from it because all three have been big swarms. I would like advice on how to check to see if any hive needs split again or is it to late for this with out affecting honey producing this year. I if split is needed can I add splits to swarmed hives? On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:59:59 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >I have had three swarms the last two weeks. I fed sugar water this >must have really done the trick for build up. I had to put this last >swarm in brushy Mt. swarm trap the long one. I have ordered more >equipment. How do I go about transferring to new hive when I get it >setup? Will these swarms produce much honey? The trees here have just >started coming out most still a couple of weeks off. Also how many >supers will the old hive likley use this year? > >Thanks for the responses Article 24119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:52:51 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8d32dr$1e8$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <4We$$LAbY784EwO5@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdy46.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955583739 1480 62.188.8.238 (12 Apr 2000 23:55:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 23:55:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24119 James Kilty, Hi! So that's why I keep seeing your name James! I feel much the same. See you this weekend at Stoneleigh - I shall be there both days and expect to come home hoarse after two day solid talking!! Martin, MK, UK. James Kilty wrote in message > Personally I find the s.a.b group fine. I contribute as I feel, > especially if someone is from UK and also I find it hard to control my > compulsion to stick my two pennyworth in to lots of threads. It is too > addictive! > > -- > James Kilty Article 24120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic hives Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 01:34:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24120 I am adding 4 new hives this year and bought 2 that are advertised as plastic. They actually seem more like styrofoam to me. On one side at the opening, really a separate opening, there is a wire mesh screen slightly raised above the floor. I am assuming that it is a built in pollen trap. Not really sure though. The one problem I have found with the hive is that there is very little head space. I had to make a very thin patty and the menthol bag makes the top stay open very slightly. They come with imprinted plastic foundation and this is new to me and I hope it works out. Anyway I hived 4lbs and a queen today and time will tell. Tim W. Article 24121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-37.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:15:54 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955595699 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:14:59 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:14:59 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24121 Hi All, Well firstly thankyou for your concern for us here in NZ. I've been through my hives and cannot notice any mites, have checked the bodies of the bees and opened quite a few of the capped larvae. Have checked out the Varroosis site, which has some excellent information for us folk who have never had to bother before. I need some advice on making definitely sure my hives do not have the mites to assist MAF in their effort to find out how far the infestation goes. I live in the quartined area, approx 25km away. I have read the icing sugar trick to try, but also apparently the mites don't like tobacco, and if it is put in the smoker the mites will drop to the floor of the hive, can someone confirm that this is so. Now I don't smoke so if I pull apart some of my husbands cigarettes and use this tobacco will this do? Does cigarette tobacco have additives that will harm my bees? Should I just buy a packet of tabacco? I've read so much on the ng about all your problems with the mites, I'll have to take note myself now. Thanks again Liz (Auckland, NZ) Pamela Buckle wrote in message news:8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net... > James and Peter have both given excellent advice in the previous two > messages. What they both convey without actually saying it is DON'T > PANIC!!! > Varroa can be kept under control. It takes different courses in different > places mainly because it is the associated viruses that kill the bees, not > the V.j. itself. Don't try to decide between the different kinds of > treatment/control, but make your mind up to use a mixture of all the > available methods and to vary the treatment so that the mites don't have > such a good chance of being selected for resistance. If you are dead > unlucky, the mites you have are already resistant to some of the treatments. > The most likely candidate is Apistan resistance. > What you must NOT do is wait until something happens - by the time you > notice anything in the course of 'normal' beekeeping, your hive is already > overrun. Take measures to find out how many mites you have by doing the > floor checks and knock downs with 24 hour treatments over a mesh floor. > You will be overwhelmed with advice, but the most important is Don't Panic - > test to see what the problem is. > I talked to the Palmerston North Bee Club about Varroa a couple of years > back - I guess they are wishing they had taken notes and listened by now! > Martin, MK, UK. > James Kilty wrote in message > news:iC55KWABFP94Ewl8@kilty.demon.co.uk... > > In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > > writes > > >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > > >Varoa mite has been confirmed .............. etc. > > Article 24122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:44:19 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8d3ecb$8p8$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p66.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955595979 9000 203.96.192.66 (13 Apr 2000 03:19:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 03:19:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24122 Angela Copi wrote in message news:8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. > Does anyone see a problem with this? > > Thanks, > > Keith > sounds wonderful i have both free range chickens and bees, have had no problem so far, the chickens seem to somehow know to steer clear of bees .. and vice versa, they co-habitate quite nicely carman Article 24123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 03:24:23 GMT References: <8d1oee$9g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000412232423.08688.00001261@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24123 >Bees will draw >and fill >> plastic foundation. it depends very much on preparation, colour and >pattern >> Well of course it does. I didn't say they wouldn't. I've got some duragilt, some pierco, solid plastic you name it, some are drawn out beautifully, but after a few years they end up like the rest. A lot of people here argue about being natural when treating their hives,(plastic doesn't occur in nature). Bees prefer wood and wax. God made em that way.>urprizing to me is the comments about how bad Duragilt is and that >bees won't work on plastic, but... all the newest frames are made out >of more and more plastic. WOuldn't you think that we're going in the >wrong direction??? > Nope just means that a lot more beekeepers are getting lazier all the time. Different strokes for different folks. More power to you and the best of luck. My hives average between 200 and 300 pounds a summer, sometimes a little more. If they don't then they get dealt with. Anybody who's actually taken off over 500,000 lbs. of honey please stand up. I have something to learn from you. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but until then I will be a avid supporter of beeswax foundation. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:54:27 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 83 Message-ID: <8d3fh5$92j$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p66.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955597157 9299 203.96.192.66 (13 Apr 2000 03:39:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 03:39:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24124 Greetings Peter many thanks for your hasty reply > Very sorry to hear that you have joined the club. me too seems this is the previous NZ government fault, we used to have very strict quaranteen and fumiguard restrictions, but our previous government decided that the border control fumigation was too expensive for the importers to continue and so all sorts of things are turning up in cargo > I do hope that your government will not now make the same mistakes as so > many others. seems they've started already, they've started destroying hives > My advice would be: > > 1 In view of the length of time that you have had varroa you might as well > accept that it is endemic. that's what i thought > 2 There is therefore no point in destroying colonies or setting up exclusion > zones. as i said they've started already and there is an exclusion zone.. i have beenl giving careful consideration to the possibilities and what you have said also occurred to me, that mass destruction will be an error so i shall fight tooth and nail to prevent the extermination of my hives !! it's been cold and windy today, so i've not gone it to check our bees yet, hope to do this over the weekend snip > 5 There is a vast amount of literature that has been published - buy the > books and start studying. will do !! and will study the rest of your relevant advise ... off to do the research many thanks carman > 6 Treatment is broadly divided between 'hard' chemicals (e.g. Bayvarol, > Apistan etc), soft chemicals (thymol, formic/lactic/oxalic acids) and > mechanical (removal of drone brood etc). You will need to make up your own > mind about them (hard chemical contaminate the wax and varroa is becoming > resistant to them, soft chemicals may be less easy to use but some of us > believe that they are more environmentally friendly, mechanical methods are > hard work!). > 7 Resistant bees are probably some way off - so do not rely on that one! > 8 There is new hope the varroa can be controlled with fungi - some really > promising work going on in this country. > 9 Above all else - be vigilant. Varroa populations increase at an > incredible speed and by the time that you notice that you have a problem it > will probably be too late. Colonies can look very good at the end of the > summer with huge populations which then collapse in weeks; the reason is > that the brood is infested and the emerging bees will be damaged - so what > appears to be a healthy colony is simply the old bees - and there will be > nothing to replace them. > > I wish you the very best of luck and hope that you will learn from those who > are already living with the problem. Don't give up - there is life (and > beekeeping) after varroa - it is just a bit more difficult. > Carman wrote in message > news:8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz... > > Greetings All > > The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > > Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > > major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of border > > control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically > free > > from Varoa mite. > > It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years > > Article 24125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:04:00 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 124 Message-ID: <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p66.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955597159 9299 203.96.192.66 (13 Apr 2000 03:39:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 03:39:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24125 James Kilty wrote in message news:iC55KWABFP94Ewl8@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > >Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > snip > >It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years and we are reeeeeally very > snip > >I think, initially at least, the action they are taking is to destroy all > >hives where the mites are being found .... an area from North of Auckalnd to > >South of Hamilton has been quaranteened and no bees are to be move in or out > >of that area .. we are included in that area... for us this is not as > snip > I am really sorry about your news. It is a stage most of us go through > wherever we are in the world. We in the UK tried the quarantine approach > county by county as it spread inexorably once in. Spread is pretty > inevitable over the years. Unfortunately beekeepers in an island have a > major role in moving the mite around (as on a continent too). It reached > West Cornwall in 1996 about 8 years after it was discovered in the UK > because a beekeeper happily brought swarms into the area from an area > where varroa was known. we have very many migratory beekeepers here, who move their hives where the honey flows go, so i guess they will be the main carriers .. both our hive sites are fixed and permanent. The beekeepers are completely agog here, every hour there's breaking news, last i heard they'd begun patrolling the hives on the east coast and one guy just lost a $100,000 shipment. doesn't affect me in such a way, we are only hobby keepers and just collect enough honey for our needs, the rest is left to the bees, so it is not a matter of livelihood >Quarantine may slow down the spread but since > migratory beekeeping in and out of the area in the last 4 years will > have spread the varroa as far as the beekeepers took their hives, you > are probably far too late. Nevertheless you will probably be controlled > by your Government Officers to some strict routine or other. with deregulation most of the responsibility has fallen to the beekeepers association, i imagine they are at panic stations right now.... they are approaching the Govt for funds to assist the crisis > I believe it is vital that you *don't* destroy colonies. It will do no > good unless you destroy every colony in both islands and wait 3 years. Right !! I won't !! in fact i had more or less decided that .. they'll have to throw me in jail and toss away the key before they have a clear path for such action I shall save for future reference the excellent advice following and i read of some of the measures in my book printed in the UK .. yes i see you mention oil of wintergreen, that's what i read about I shall see if i can get some many thanks !! off to study carman > In the meantime attract and destroy all swarms from feral colonies. Then > you can restock and pray. I cannot see anyone doing this. Of course you > could just wait and let them die on their own and hope some strain > evolves that can resist the mite. Again no-one (in their right mind?) > would do this. So, it's not the way to go. > > Bite the bullet. You'll get help in this newsgroup. The strip you refer > to is routinely used with varroa in the hive by a very high percentage > of beekeepers. It has 2 forms: Bayvarol and Apistan, each with very > similar chemicals harmless to bees and honey. Resistance will develop > quickly (within a few years) see > http://www.ifas.ufl/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm and navigate to Feb 99 issue. > Try also http://www.iacr.bbsrc.ac.uk and navigate through nematology and > entomology to Katie Shaw's paper. I am sure you'll get lots of help and > other excellent URL's on this newsgroup. > > One piece of good advice is to fit a varroa mesh floor in at least one > hive in each apiary. Best is stainless steel wire at 6 per inch. The > dead varroa fall through on to a simple drawer and numbers can be > counted weekly. There is also a calculator produced in the UK which is a > bit involved, but it works out the number of days before you *must* > treat. > > There are other treatments which I am sure others will let you know > about involving essential oils, formic acid, lactic acid, oxalic acid > and so on and some excellent sites. Make sure you research them properly > as there is some not so accurate information available. The > effectiveness of all approaches depends on careful adherence to > instructions and in some cases on local conditions. Culling of drone > brood can help. A lot depends on how active the management of varroa the > beekeeper wants to be. This is why Apistan and Bayvarol were first > choice by most. Regrettably, a more potent chemical is now offered in > the USA following resistance development. It is not licensed in the UK > and I hope never will be. I hope to alternate essential oils > (wintergreen) with apistan until I recognise resistance. > > One promising one involves a slurry of oil of wintergreen with liquid > paraffin (mineral oil in the USA) and beeswax. Used properly, it seems > to keep the mite levels down to a low number. Again, someone else will > surely provide details. One URL I have is > http://www.wvu.edu~agexten/varroa2.htm. I haven't tried this recently, > so mailto:jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu and ask for a URL to the site giving > the latest results on essential oils. > > Don't despair, the experience in Europe is that wild honeybees are > decimated, leaving only swarms to keep a low feral population, half or > more beekeepers give up as they cannot adapt, honey production goes down > for a while and then picks up. New beekeepers and established beekeepers > who adapt develop a higher standard of beekeeping, notably in hygiene > and honey production rises above the original value. In the doldrums, > watch out for thieves who look out for replacements for lost colonies!! > > All best wishes > -- > James Kilty > Trading as Honey Mountain : honey for local shops plus beeswax candles in the > Trevarno Gardens shop. Small Bee Centre open to visitors. > tel/fax +44 (0)1736 850373 Article 24126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail From: lactoflavin@hotmail.com (Dr. Donut) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book recommendations? Date: 13 Apr 2000 07:29:04 -0500 Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24126 i have developed a rather strong interest in keeping bees eventually, and i was wondering if anyone could recommend any books for a beginner. This is obviously not something to jump into, so i would like to educate myself intellectually before i approach the task. And if anyone has any suggestions where i can find a list of associations, groups, etc. of beekeepers in the States i would appreciate it. the next stage after reading is perhaps to apprentice. Thank you in advance for any assistance! Article 24127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:37:53 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 101 Message-ID: <8d3hhm$9ha$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p108.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955599222 9770 203.96.192.108 (13 Apr 2000 04:13:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 04:13:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24127 thanks James and Peter faxed and distributed to appropriate parties, in the hope they prevent destroying bee colonies will keep you informed of developments carman James Kilty wrote in message news:iC55KWABFP94Ewl8@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > >Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > snip > >It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years and we are reeeeeally very > snip > >I think, initially at least, the action they are taking is to destroy all > >hives where the mites are being found .... an area from North of Auckalnd to > >South of Hamilton has been quaranteened and no bees are to be move in or out > >of that area .. we are included in that area... for us this is not as > snip > I am really sorry about your news. It is a stage most of us go through > wherever we are in the world. We in the UK tried the quarantine approach > county by county as it spread inexorably once in. Spread is pretty > inevitable over the years. Unfortunately beekeepers in an island have a > major role in moving the mite around (as on a continent too). It reached > West Cornwall in 1996 about 8 years after it was discovered in the UK > because a beekeeper happily brought swarms into the area from an area > where varroa was known. Quarantine may slow down the spread but since > migratory beekeeping in and out of the area in the last 4 years will > have spread the varroa as far as the beekeepers took their hives, you > are probably far too late. Nevertheless you will probably be controlled > by your Government Officers to some strict routine or other. > > I believe it is vital that you *don't* destroy colonies. It will do no > good unless you destroy every colony in both islands and wait 3 years. > In the meantime attract and destroy all swarms from feral colonies. Then > you can restock and pray. I cannot see anyone doing this. Of course you > could just wait and let them die on their own and hope some strain > evolves that can resist the mite. Again no-one (in their right mind?) > would do this. So, it's not the way to go. > > Bite the bullet. You'll get help in this newsgroup. The strip you refer > to is routinely used with varroa in the hive by a very high percentage > of beekeepers. It has 2 forms: Bayvarol and Apistan, each with very > similar chemicals harmless to bees and honey. Resistance will develop > quickly (within a few years) see > http://www.ifas.ufl/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm and navigate to Feb 99 issue. > Try also http://www.iacr.bbsrc.ac.uk and navigate through nematology and > entomology to Katie Shaw's paper. I am sure you'll get lots of help and > other excellent URL's on this newsgroup. > > One piece of good advice is to fit a varroa mesh floor in at least one > hive in each apiary. Best is stainless steel wire at 6 per inch. The > dead varroa fall through on to a simple drawer and numbers can be > counted weekly. There is also a calculator produced in the UK which is a > bit involved, but it works out the number of days before you *must* > treat. > > There are other treatments which I am sure others will let you know > about involving essential oils, formic acid, lactic acid, oxalic acid > and so on and some excellent sites. Make sure you research them properly > as there is some not so accurate information available. The > effectiveness of all approaches depends on careful adherence to > instructions and in some cases on local conditions. Culling of drone > brood can help. A lot depends on how active the management of varroa the > beekeeper wants to be. This is why Apistan and Bayvarol were first > choice by most. Regrettably, a more potent chemical is now offered in > the USA following resistance development. It is not licensed in the UK > and I hope never will be. I hope to alternate essential oils > (wintergreen) with apistan until I recognise resistance. > > One promising one involves a slurry of oil of wintergreen with liquid > paraffin (mineral oil in the USA) and beeswax. Used properly, it seems > to keep the mite levels down to a low number. Again, someone else will > surely provide details. One URL I have is > http://www.wvu.edu~agexten/varroa2.htm. I haven't tried this recently, > so mailto:jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu and ask for a URL to the site giving > the latest results on essential oils. > > Don't despair, the experience in Europe is that wild honeybees are > decimated, leaving only swarms to keep a low feral population, half or > more beekeepers give up as they cannot adapt, honey production goes down > for a while and then picks up. New beekeepers and established beekeepers > who adapt develop a higher standard of beekeeping, notably in hygiene > and honey production rises above the original value. In the doldrums, > watch out for thieves who look out for replacements for lost colonies!! > > All best wishes > -- > James Kilty > Trading as Honey Mountain : honey for local shops plus beeswax candles in the > Trevarno Gardens shop. Small Bee Centre open to visitors. > tel/fax +44 (0)1736 850373 Article 24128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 14:00:02 GMT References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000413100002.10855.00000019@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24128 >I've never paid much attention to the varroa mite threads in this ng, as it >was not applicable to our situation, now i am forced to seek our as much >information as possble. It would be good to have as much information about >varroa mite as possible, and i would appreciate any good websites about >this pest and control measures. > >How do you overseas beekeepers control or cope with the pest? Do you >destroy all hives? The bad news is that it will cost you more to keep bees. The really bad news is that those misguided persons who think they can exterminate it, when it has already become established may do a lot more damage. The good news is that it will make you a better beekeeper, if you allow it. You will become much more observant to tiny clues as you inspect your bees, things like the odor of the hive, for example. I'm not talking about foulbrood here; this odor is like getting hit with a bat. I'm talking about the faint sour odor that tells you that the bees are sick. If you are observant, the first place you are likely to see varroa is on the broken burr comb between the boxes, which has some developing drone brood. Each time you break apart boxes, check this drone brood. Don't be in a hurry to remove all burr comb; bees need some drones anyway. Of course hives that are already weak from varroa are apt to cease rearing drones, so the absence of drones in the season when they normally are present is another clue to trouble. >also i was reading a British book wish recommended a certain pesticide strip >to be hung between the frames. The book also spoke of a herbal essence >which could be attachedto sticky paper and hung between the frames, >non-harmful to bees but repellent to the mite, it was a herb i never heard >of and as far as i know is not grown here... Essential oils have been shown to give some control in some situations, but are not reliable as your total control program. Beekeepers who placed their whole trust in oils have lost bees, and the advocates have become a lot quieter. So caveat emptor. I think a four-pronged program would work, if you didn't want to use pesticides, but it is very labor intensive, and all parts would have to be in operation, along with careful monitoring of varroa levels. 1. Get the most resistant stock you can. Always breed from your best bees. Those who have a high varroa level despite your efforts are simply weak bees, and should never be allowed to reproduce. 2. Use screen bottoms on your hives. Varroa that falls off the bees may not be able to get back up to them. Even better, have the capability of inserting a tray of soapy water for a few moments a couple times per year. Then smoke the bees with tobacco smoke. Varroa drops off and dies in the soapy water. 3. Have one frame of drone brood in the hive at all times. When this is full of sealed drone brood, remove and use for fish bait, or freeze it and put it back. 4. Essential oils at least twice per year. I don't do this, but, as I say, I think it would work. As a commercial pollination beekeeper, there simply isn't the resources to do this. A beekeeper who has an outside job to support his beekeeping on a small scale could do it. It might also be possible for commercial honey producers who get a premium price for "organic" honey. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:20:29 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 27 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust46.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d4klo$jdl$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust46.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24129 > The one problem I have found with the hive is that there is very little head > space. I had to make a very thin patty and the menthol bag makes the top stay > open very slightly One easy solution to that is to use a sack or a piece of 6 mil plastic at least an inch or two larger than the hive over top the hive. This is draped over the top of the hive and patties before the telescoping lid is placed on the hive. The lid may rock a bit, but no problem. The plastic or sack allows feed materials to be piled on top of the frames, but prevents the bees building wild comb in the space around the patties and also prevents the loss of heat We actually use a little quilt made with plastic sheeting and a 1" quilt batting all year long and no other inner cover. If you like one of these methods and decide to use a quilt or sack full time, then a 1" rim nailed around the top inside edge of the telescoping lid will keep it level and ensure a tight seal around the edges and keep the lid level. allen ------ Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, and more... Article 24130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:55:05 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 28 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust44.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d4muh$mim$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <8d3fh5$92j$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust44.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24130 > seems this is the previous NZ government fault No sense laying blame. No one will ever know what really happened, and fault finding only causes bad feelings and hampers the co-operation you will need to muster to deal with the reality of the situation. As they say, "The future is already here, it is just not evenly distributed." You've had the mite for years now, and the only thing that has changed with the discovery is the emotional environment. A study of grief reactions is useful to get through the initial denial and finger pointing to dealing positively with the situation. > > I do hope that your government will not now make the same mistakes as so > > many others. > seems they've started already, they've started destroying... There is a lot of expertise worldwide on this pest, but it seems every country ignores it and starts from scratch instead of calling in friends. The one thing that seems to be obvious is that once it arrives in a country, the only thing that will prevent its quick spread is a natural barrier, such as a large body of water or mountains without passes, and unless there is incredible solidarity among beekeepers and the populace and very rigid enforcement, people will soon have spread the mites even past such barriers. allen Article 24131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:10:13 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 32 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust44.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d4nit$ng2$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust44.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24131 > I've been through my hives and cannot notice any mites, have checked the > bodies of the bees and opened quite a few of the capped larvae. Have > checked out the Varroosis site, which has some excellent information for us > folk who have never had to bother before. I need some advice on making > definitely sure my hives do not have the mites That is precisely the problem. You can prove you do have mites, but *can not * ever prove conclusively you do not -- without destroying all the bees and brood in the process. If you choose to follow that path, then you must next start on the neighbourhood, then the more distant areas and so on... Eventually no one will have any bees and the solution will be worse than the original threat. It is *impossible* to declare an area free of varroa, but it is easy to declare it as having varroa -- all it takes is one mite, and finding her is worse than looking for a needle in a haystack. Once mites are found in your area, you might as well assume you have them. Not finding any does not prove anything except that the level is very low and no immediate steps must be taken. allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, and more... Article 24132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38f86e33.7249602@news.earthlink.net> References: <8d1oee$9g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000412232423.08688.00001261@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 54 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:17:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.205.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955653477 38.27.205.246 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:17:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:17:57 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24132 Without stepping into the flame, I'll have to add my 2 cents for the good of hobbyist beekeepers: ------------------- If Robert is pulling off large quantities of honey and is able to extract the same without re-framing his hives each season, all the more power to him and we'd like to know how he extracts! Most extractors will blow out these frames or snag a wire with ease, which is why beekeepers have been forcing bees to draw out on plastic or plastic reinforced (Duragilt) foundation. Robert is also correct when he says, "bees don't like plastic". Bees also don't like beekeepers messing with their hives. This is what management and beekeeping is all about: Forcing bees to build on your priorities rather than their own. Lazy beekeepers? You could see this comment directed to those whom use pure beeswax since it's easier for bees to get started - but forcing bees to draw on plastic is not easy. Timing and spacing are more important when drawing plastic foundation. In the end you have more robust frames because extractors won't spin out the middle of the frames. Badly drawn comb can be scraped down right in the field. Try that with pure beeswax foundation. For general use, the upside for plastic foundation outweighs Duragilt or pure beeswax. Robert may be concentrating on cut-comb production; Or Robert has wire embedding and extraction tricks down pat for beeswax foundation. The 'best' type of foundation is what you choose by pros and cons of each. Sometimes, what you used in the past is the ONLY method/tool without consideration for technology - especially true in beekeeping. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA >Nope just means that a lot more beekeepers are getting lazier all the time. >Different strokes for different folks. More power to you and the best of luck. >My hives average between 200 and 300 pounds a summer, sometimes a little more. >If they don't then they get dealt with. > Anybody who's actually taken off over 500,000 lbs. of honey please stand up. I >have something to learn from you. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but until >then I will be a avid supporter of beeswax foundation. > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hekyl.ab.tac.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F61DCB.571A0B7B@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation References: <8d1oee$9g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000412232423.08688.00001261@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:19:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.180.172 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 955653582 161.184.180.172 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:19:42 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:19:42 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24133 There isn't much comparison between plastic and wax. They both work, not a doubt about that, but just because plastic does not occur in nature, that doesn't mean that it is not a good replacement for wax if not a better one. Plastic is easier to install, if its a one piece frame, take it out of the box and put it in the super, and if it's a sheet, pop it into a wood frame and its finished. This is not a case of beekeepers becoming "lazier" as some would say, but rather it is beekeepers becoming more efficient over time and realizing that we have better things to spend our time on rather than building thousands of frames and fighting with wire and wax. The costs of running wax is more costly than plastic, due to the fact that wax and wood blows out, leaving you more material for the melter, whereas plastic does not break, and if the wood frame breaks, all you have to do is take the plastic sheet out and put it into a new frame, no wax or wires to work with. If you are out in the field and you see a frame in your hive with bur comb or excess drone comb, with plastic it is a simple matter of taking your hive tool and scraping it off, there is no damage done to the plastic and the bees will draw it out once again. We have not used wood and wax for ten years now and we will never use it again, and we are putting rather large amounts of new frames in a year, but some people are traditionalists and they will never change, but more and more are changing every year proving that plastic is a wise alternative to wax. Lee Townsend TPLR Honey Farms Stony Plain, Alberta, Canada Robert Williamson wrote: > >Bees will draw > >and fill > >> plastic foundation. it depends very much on preparation, colour and > >pattern > >> > > Well of course it does. I didn't say they wouldn't. I've got some duragilt, > some pierco, solid plastic you name it, some are drawn out beautifully, but > after a few years they end up like the rest. A lot of people here argue about > being natural when treating their hives,(plastic doesn't occur in nature). > Bees prefer wood and wax. God made em that way.>urprizing to me is the comments > about how bad Duragilt is and that > >bees won't work on plastic, but... all the newest frames are made out > >of more and more plastic. WOuldn't you think that we're going in the > >wrong direction??? > > > > Nope just means that a lot more beekeepers are getting lazier all the time. > Different strokes for different folks. More power to you and the best of luck. > My hives average between 200 and 300 pounds a summer, sometimes a little more. > If they don't then they get dealt with. > Anybody who's actually taken off over 500,000 lbs. of honey please stand up. I > have something to learn from you. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but until > then I will be a avid supporter of beeswax foundation. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: ABC News article on 'killer bees' Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:33 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 3 Message-ID: <38F62419.635A65F2@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-02.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 955655194 18448 129.101.6.228 (13 Apr 2000 19:46:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 19:46:34 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24134 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:202 This is worth reading- or at least skimming through: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/bees000412.html Article 24135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarms/nucs Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <18848-38F62217-40@storefull-107.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <38f51a71.4210484@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAyBW6d/fGAIFIlRzsLJ7RA+FOyQkCFQCKfVnsYNO6ldGoMn6fgoVjY0A0VA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24135 My suggestion would be to read chapter 14 of The Hive And The Honeybee (1992 revised ed.) There is special attention to swarm prvention-honey production on pp. 623-631. You may also want to do a search on Bee-L. A bigger hive can make more honey but you must set up the right conditions to keep them from swarming which includes a young queen, enough room not to feel crowded, honey supers on, and good nectar flow. -------------------------------------------------------- To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <4We$$LAbY784EwO5@kilty.demon.co.uk> <8d32dr$1e8$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626550 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24136 In article <8d32dr$1e8$1@lure.pipex.net>, Pamela Buckle writes >See you >this weekend at Stoneleigh - I shall be there both days and expect to come >home hoarse after two day solid talking!! I am not going. It is 250 miles and my life is too busy for that. When you are in West Cornwall give me a call. -- James Kilty Trading as Honey Mountain : honey for local shops plus beeswax candles in the Trevarno Gardens shop. Small Bee Centre open to visitors. tel/fax +44 (0)1736 850373 Article 24137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:09:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <8d3fh5$92j$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626551 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 70 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24137 >i have beenl giving careful consideration to the possibilities and what you >have said also occurred to me, that mass destruction will be an error >so i shall fight tooth and nail to prevent the extermination of my hives !! >it's been cold and windy today, so i've not gone it to check our bees yet, >hope to do this over the weekend > >snip >> 5 There is a vast amount of literature that has been published - buy the >> books and start studying. > >will do !! >and will study the rest of your relevant advise ... off to do the research >many thanks >carman > > >> 6 Treatment is broadly divided between 'hard' chemicals (e.g. Bayvarol, >> Apistan etc), soft chemicals (thymol, formic/lactic/oxalic acids) and >> mechanical (removal of drone brood etc). You will need to make up your >own >> mind about them (hard chemical contaminate the wax and varroa is becoming >> resistant to them, soft chemicals may be less easy to use but some of us >> believe that they are more environmentally friendly, mechanical methods >are >> hard work!). >> 7 Resistant bees are probably some way off - so do not rely on that one! >> 8 There is new hope the varroa can be controlled with fungi - some really >> promising work going on in this country. >> 9 Above all else - be vigilant. Varroa populations increase at an >> incredible speed and by the time that you notice that you have a problem >it >> will probably be too late. Colonies can look very good at the end of the >> summer with huge populations which then collapse in weeks; the reason is >> that the brood is infested and the emerging bees will be damaged - so what >> appears to be a healthy colony is simply the old bees - and there will be >> nothing to replace them. >> >> I wish you the very best of luck and hope that you will learn from those >who >> are already living with the problem. Don't give up - there is life (and >> beekeeping) after varroa - it is just a bit more difficult. >> Carman wrote in message >> news:8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz... >> > Greetings All >> > The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. >> > Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our >> > major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of >border >> > control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically >> free >> > from Varoa mite. >> > It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years >> >> > > It is vital that your government is prepared to learn from other country's experience. Regrettably, the imperative to be autonomous means that each country tries to learn the hard way as if there were no knowledge worth anything unless it is your own national that does the research and if a foreigner tells you it's rubbish. We have had years of this in the UK. It is vital they listen and marshalling support from bee farmers and beekeepers associations, your representatives in government, university experts and intelligent government officers. And quickly. Find out who made the decision and how it was taken. You can't do it all on your own. Good luck. -- James Kilty Article 24138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:12 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626553 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24138 In article <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, Angela Copi writes >I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. >Does anyone see a problem with this? I have had few problems except when the cock strutted by the hives and went off squawking under a tree and took a little while to calm down. Needless to say, he didn't go near again. Neither does the dog! -- James Kilty Article 24139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:48:17 +0100 Message-ID: <6W5$PiABQb94EwHr@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626554 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24139 In article <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com>, Timmdwill writes >On one side at the opening, really a separate opening, there is a wire mesh >screen slightly raised above the floor. I am assuming that it is a built in >pollen trap. Not really sure though. Sounds like it could be a varroa floor. Remember the engineering adage, "when all else fails, read the instructions" - it might actually tell you something. Does the thing pull out? -- James Kilty Article 24140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:38:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626552 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 49 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24140 In article <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >with deregulation most of the responsibility has fallen to the beekeepers >association, i imagine they are at panic stations right now.... they are >approaching the Govt for funds to assist the crisis No need for funds, it will cost you about 4$ per hive to treat with Apistan which is a small price to save the colony. What you need is a policy of non-destruction and follow the treatments applied by other countries with lots of experience. >> I have is >> http://www.wvu.edu~agexten/varroa2.htm. I haven't tried this recently, >> so mailto:jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu and ask for a URL to the site giving >> the latest results on essential oils. I did test it and it didn't work so I did email james amrine directly. He gave me the revised URL http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa/ which he is updating at the moment. He also gave me http://www.hereintown.net/~rnoel/ which I have not yet visited. Be careful though, it is probably too late for this type of treatment. Apistan or Bayvarol is going to be the most certain treatment for now. Try one hive as per my other posting and if there are, say a couple of hundred mites falling in a couple of days then you have an infestation requiring the full treatment for all your hives. If it's, say 10 or 20, whilst you *must* continue your treatment for the full 6 weeks (up to 8 with apistan) and set up a monitoring system for your apiary and be ready to treat next year. Intermediate figures would mean the probability of treatment being required at some stage next year. It depends on how prolific your bees are and how well the varroa build up. I imagine that apistan or bayvarol are not yet approved. However, they may not be excluded yet. I don't therefore know your legal position regarding it's use. I am prepared to go public and say I did use apistan for a year before it was approved in the UK. I was not alone. The only problem yo8u may have is if some overzealous official is monitoring this email and calls on you whilst the treatment is in your hive. I say this because a local produced a bit of technology with the wintergreen slurry and sold it openly as a detection system, knowing full well that reapplied throughout the season, varroa numbers were kept low. Our MAFF kept hitting his web site to check precisely what claims he was making! This was because no-one was allowed to claim they could *treat* for varroa other than Bayvarol at the time. Now we have a peculiar class of *non-medicinal curative substances* which has not bee clarified at all. Good luck. -- James Kilty Article 24141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:42:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38f59649.43332529@news1.radix.net> References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24141 On 13 Apr 2000 01:34:35 GMT, timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) wrote: >I am adding 4 new hives this year and bought 2 that are advertised as plastic. >They actually seem more like styrofoam to me. >On one side at the opening, really a separate opening, there is a wire mesh >screen slightly raised above the floor. I am assuming that it is a built in >pollen trap. Not really sure though. >The one problem I have found with the hive is that there is very little head >space. I had to make a very thin patty and the menthol bag makes the top stay >open very slightly. >They come with imprinted plastic foundation and this is new to me and I hope it >works out. >Anyway I hived 4lbs and a queen today and time will tell. > >Tim W. If God wanted bees to live in plastic hives he would have made plastic trees! Greg the beekeep Article 24142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 13:32:59 GMT References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000413093259.10855.00000017@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24142 From: lactoflavin@hotmail.com (Dr. Donut) >i have developed a rather strong interest in keeping bees eventually, >and i was wondering if anyone could recommend any books for a >beginner. This is obviously not something to jump into, so i would >like to educate myself intellectually before i approach the task. Try: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm >And if anyone has any suggestions where i can find a list of >associations, groups, etc. of beekeepers in the States i would >appreciate it. the next stage after reading is perhaps to apprentice. For the US and Canada, check: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/who.html For other parts of the world, contact me. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "doona" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:40:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.212 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955633242 63.36.30.212 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:40:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:40:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24143 Hi I'm also new beekeeping. The first thing did was go to my Local Library, they had some books on beekeeping, they were old books but not much has changed. Then I orderd some books, the books I liked were: Beekeeping; a Practical Guide, and Hive Management by Richard E. Bonnay. I also liked Keeping Bees by John Vinian. Most of all keep reading this news group, I have learned so much just by reading what everyone is into. Good Luck Donna Dr. Donut wrote in message news:38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com... > i have developed a rather strong interest in keeping bees eventually, > and i was wondering if anyone could recommend any books for a > beginner. This is obviously not something to jump into, so i would > like to educate myself intellectually before i approach the task. > And if anyone has any suggestions where i can find a list of > associations, groups, etc. of beekeepers in the States i would > appreciate it. the next stage after reading is perhaps to apprentice. > Thank you in advance for any assistance! Article 24144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "doona" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: POLLEN SUPPLEMENT Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <7fqJ4.13937$q67.422183@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:38:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955658307 63.36.30.211 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:38:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:38:27 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24144 Hi and help! I have read every thing I can find on pollen supplement: but how long will it keep. I'm new at this and I think I made up to much. How long will it Keep? Can I freeze any the bees don't eat it all? any help! Thanks Donna Article 24145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 21:35:12 GMT References: <38f86e33.7249602@news.earthlink.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000413173512.09371.00000094@ng-ca1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24145 >If Robert is pulling off large quantities of honey and is able to >extract the same without re-framing his hives each season, all the >more power to him and we'd like to know how he extracts! Most >extractors will blow out these frames or snag a wire with ease, which >is why beekeepers have been forcing bees to draw out on plastic or We lose very little frames year to year, once foundation has made one year it is likely to last for years to come. We mainly lose older frames than anything else. We extract around 300 to 400 boxes a day( depending on the sizes of boxes that were on the hive). The average loss of frames is generally two boxes or less a day. Some days we lose none at all. We use a dakato guiness uncapper(and occassionally a scratcher) and 6 radial extractors. You lose less frames with a smooth reel than segmented. And always start your extractor on low and work your way up for those with smaller extractors. Sometimes slow and steady works a lot better. >Lazy beekeepers? You could see this comment directed to those whom >use pure beeswax since it's easier for bees to get started - but >forcing bees to draw on plastic is not easy. Timing and spacing are >more important when drawing plastic foundation. In the end you have >more robust frames because extractors won't spin out the middle of the >frames. Badly drawn comb can be scraped down right in the field. Point taken, but I also don't believe in making extra work for myself. >Or Robert has wire embedding and extraction tricks down pat for >beeswax foundation. It isn't fun to wire and wax, but you do get really good at it. For those that hate wiring deep frames as much as I do, there is also 6 inch boxes that do not require wiring. Just pop in the foundation a go with it. I can put frames together and wax them on 100 boxes in eight hours. >Sometimes, what you used in the past is the ONLY method/tool >without consideration for technology - especially true in beekeeping. Not all technology is good. oh... and I hate doing cut comb:) Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:32:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8d5ht5$gfo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> <8d4klo$jdl$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.91.3.44 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 13 22:32:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.91.3.44 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24146 On your plastic frames/foundation. If they all plastic as I suspect,I hope at least they have a spattering of beeswax on them. I used the pierco frames about 100 of them 10/box on the second story of some hives I started two years ago. During that summer the results varied. Some of the bees went at them like mad and had them all built out in short order others did four/five frames in the center and got fed up with any more wax building. If you're looking for advice here it is: FEED them sugar syrup continuously until the frames are all done. If you get a colony or two that start to balk at building anymore pull the undone ones, insert wooden frames with new foundation into the center of the brood chamber. I've had them finish 3 frames of wax in less than a week this way. Pierco maybe tough to use in places but if you get a frame drawn out it is beauty unseen anywhere else. I've pulled frames of pierco that were entirely filled with brood! A rectangle of wall to wall worker brood. Another method is to take empties from the outside and split the brood area by inserting these. most colonies aggressively develop the center frames anyway. good luck. Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:35:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3hhm$9ha$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955665557 nnrp-12:8833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24147 In article <8d3hhm$9ha$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >thanks James and Peter >faxed and distributed to appropriate parties, in the hope they prevent >destroying bee colonies >will keep you informed of developments >carman I recommend the following books Living with Varroa, A Matheson, IBRA, 1992 New perspectives on varroa, A Matheson (ed), IBRA, 1994 Varroa, Fight the mite!, P Munn & R Jones (eds), IBRA, 1997 IBRA is at http://www.cf.ac.uk/ibra/ and mailto:ibra@cardiff.ac.uk. I looked at the rnoel site quoted in my last posting. It has some excellent stuff on the essential oils as has jim amrine's site also quoted. Some of the regular posters to this group have excellent sites with lots of goodies. -- James Kilty Article 24148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:37:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8d5i6h$gqa$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.91.3.44 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 13 22:37:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.91.3.44 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24148 In article , James Kilty wrote: > In article <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, Angela Copi > writes > >I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. > >Does anyone see a problem with this? > I have had few problems except when the cock strutted by the hives and > went off squawking under a tree and took a little while to calm down. > Needless to say, he didn't go near again. Neither does the dog! > -- > James Kilty > Speaking animals, I watched in fear one day as my cat walked calmy on the entrances of five hives in a row and wasn't bothered a whit.my dad's chickens clean up the dead bees in front of the hive in the early mornings before the bees are out. they usually avoid them entirely during flight times. Front AND back. m Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Stoneleigh Meeting Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:11:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8d5kbm$d4i$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-85.acyclovir.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 955667638 13458 62.136.75.213 (13 Apr 2000 23:13:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 23:13:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24149 Hi all, I posted the first enquiry some weeks ago and except for some UK Group URLs I haven't located a UK news group. Perhaps we should all try to meet up at stonleigh and discuss starting one ourselves. I suppose it must be relatively easy to do. I will be there on Saturday, can't make Sunday, and I will try and locate a message board to try and arrange to meet up with one/some/all of you. Freddie Cooke Steve Watkins wrote in message news:uttI4.4292$hh6.127309@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... > > I am also a Shropshire beekeeper and launch the same query about a UK > newsgroup. I am attending the National at Stoneleigh this week and I am > hoping someone there will know. Alternatively John Phipps (BK Quarterly > Editor) may know. > > Steve. > > Article 24150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: vertega@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE DVD PLAYER!! Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3QtJ4.25392$9F6.6669@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:42:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.205.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.tampabay.rr.com 955672959 24.92.205.159 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:42:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:42:39 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24150 Here is a new online site offering a free DVD player as part of a promotion. Can't hurt to try I guess. http://www.ikena.com/downloads/?refCID=dbakriwa Here is another site that is offering a Palm computer. Why not? http://www.jackpot.com/win.asp?ref=105-4980 Article 24151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F65048.73D721B7@crosslink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:55:04 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <8bbshc$ag1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ctsdt$7sd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn61.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 955680383 19928 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24151 Mike try the CHECKMITE strips. Last year I did small experiment apistan first, check stickyboard, then remove apistan wait a few days, then insert checkmite strips (same hive) check stickyboard, had over 28 count first 24 hrs. This year (spring) used checkmite , checked stickyboard ZERO . Give it a try. L.E.G. kamtout@together.net wrote: > I haven't checked in this forum for a bit and we're presented now with > one of the most active debates I can ever recall! > If you're wondering what killed your bees look for honey. I they have > honey then they probably didn't starve. Check the litter on the bottom > board. Look HARD! I just lost 13 of 19 the first in 5 years.I've only > lost 3 hives in the previous 4 years. Apistan went in the Fall after we > harvested. The bottom boards are covered with mites anywhere from dozens > to hundreds. > The strips have seen their time come at least for this lineage of mites. > So i'll do what I can to keep bees as best I can and if that means > toxics so be it. I believe that research will prevail. Hopefully it will > mean a better bee and a nontoxic safe (like bacteria) cure. > I have a hard time believing someone is having 'wild' bees drop in their > dead hives. Study your location. Someone elses bees are more than likely > swarming and finding your boxes quite a find. Happens here fairly often. > If you live within one or two swarm hops of a hobbiest or commercial > enterprise your wild bees will have mites. there are so few wild bees > left the only ones that exist are those in such remote areas they have > succesfully avoided contact or range sharing of the bees that have > mites. The last reported number I remember was from tv news last year > that put the wild bee population as about 90% dead. > If they have mites, they will die. period. It might be two winters, but > I've seen mites swell in just one summer to phenomenal levels in a > single hive. > So if you're planning on not medicating plan on watching them turn to > bird feed. It's one of those 'circle of life' kind of things. > Perhaps we should be breeding Asian bees they've been coexisting with th > e mites for quite a time. That's evolution in the works just a few > hundred years ahead of ours. > Does anyone know if Argentina/China/Brazil has the same level of trouble > with the varroa mites? I can bet given the wonderful labor pool and high > standard of living the beekeepers enjoy there that on the 45th day of > every Checkmited hive in the country has there medication removed with > not a chance if it getting in our foreign honey eh? > > Mike > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d4nit$ng2$1@news.smartworld.net> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 69 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955684935.211225@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-38.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:03:24 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955684951 203.96.152.26 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:02:31 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:02:31 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24152 Hello Allen, Many thanks for replying. All I want to do at this stage is try to confirm whether they are present or not. I appreciate that this is extremely difficult given that there may only be one mite in one hive. But I must do my best to help with trying to estimate the extent of the spread in my area. It is difficult. Can't check drone larvae because it is the time of year here where there are no drone larvae. Beginning of autumn when hive numbers are naturally beginning to decrease in numbers. I guess I can say that my hives are not overrun with them as Ican't find any at this stage. I do have the coast on one side of my apiary and that may delay them arriving. I do resign myself to the fact that they will arrive. I enjoy beekeeping so very much that I will not give up and it is just another challenge to the hobby. Even if one we could all do without. MAF and The NZ Beekeeping Association members are working in a radius out from the first reported and confirmed find of the mite. So they will eventually arrive at my place. Although, of course, they are concentrating on the large commercial operations primarily and tracing where these apiaries have sent bees, queens etc. So far no confirmed outbreak in the South Island of NZ, but this could change anytime. Allen, what my using tobacco smoke to try and see if I have them? Again many thanks. All advice for me as a hobbyist is appreciated. Liz (Auckland NZ) Allen Dick wrote in message news:8d4nit$ng2$1@news.smartworld.net... > > I've been through my hives and cannot notice any mites, have checked the > > bodies of the bees and opened quite a few of the capped larvae. Have > > checked out the Varroosis site, which has some excellent information for > us > > folk who have never had to bother before. I need some advice on making > > definitely sure my hives do not have the mites > > That is precisely the problem. > > You can prove you do have mites, but *can not * ever prove conclusively you > do not -- without destroying all the bees and brood in the process. If you > choose to follow that path, then you must next start on the neighbourhood, > then the more distant areas and so on... Eventually no one will have any > bees and the solution will be worse than the original threat. > > It is *impossible* to declare an area free of varroa, but it is easy to > declare it as having varroa -- all it takes is one mite, and finding her is > worse than looking for a needle in a haystack. > > Once mites are found in your area, you might as well assume you have them. > Not finding any does not prove anything except that the level is very low > and no immediate steps must be taken. > > allen > -- > Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, > winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs Permadent, > wrapping bees, AFB, and more... > > > Article 24153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-38.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:06:48 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955685154 203.96.152.26 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:05:54 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:05:54 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24153 Hello James, > Be careful though, it is probably too late for this type of treatment. > Apistan or Bayvarol is going to be the most certain treatment for now. These treatments are not yet available in NZ. They are fast tracking legislation to allow importation of both. > > I imagine that apistan or bayvarol are not yet approved. Correct. Not approved, nor available! I'll keep you posted. I really appreciate the advice given and have been enjoying this ng since becoming a new beekeeper last spring. Cheers Liz (Auckland, NZ) Article 24154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-38.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:17:35 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955685803 203.96.152.26 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:16:43 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:16:43 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24154 Hello James, > I believe it is vital that you *don't* destroy colonies. It will do no > good unless you destroy every colony in both islands and wait 3 years. > In the meantime attract and destroy all swarms from feral colonies. Then > you can restock and pray. I cannot see anyone doing this. Of course you > could just wait and let them die on their own and hope some strain > evolves that can resist the mite. Again no-one (in their right mind?) > would do this. So, it's not the way to go. It would seem that it was one of the first beekeepers who had it confirmed that his hives has the mite, that destroyed his two colonies. So the authorities are not actually destroying hives at this stage. Thank you for your concern. Liz (Auckland, NZ) Article 24155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F6A0AE.6A52CCF7@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation References: <38f86e33.7249602@news.earthlink.net> <20000413173512.09371.00000094@ng-ca1.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 04:37:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.180.161 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 955687077 161.184.180.161 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:37:57 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:37:57 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24155 > You lose very few frames a year, which is great, but think about this, you > extract 400 boxes a day, and lose 18 frames, whereas we can extract between 600 > to 800 boxes a day, breaking the same amount of wood, but not breaking a single > plastic, I figure I break 1 a year, and that is due to brute strength and pure > ignorance on my part. > > We lose very little frames year to year, once foundation has made one year it > is likely to last for years to come. We mainly lose older frames than anything > else. We extract around 300 to 400 boxes a day( depending on the sizes of boxes > that were on the hive). The average loss of frames is generally two boxes or > less a day. Some days we lose none at all. We use a dakato guiness uncapper(and > occassionally a scratcher) and 6 radial extractors. You lose less frames with a > smooth reel than segmented. And always start your extractor on low and work > your way up for those with smaller extractors. Sometimes slow and steady works > a lot better. > > True, not all technology in good, but if plastic wasn't any good, why are there > many large commercial beekeepers, with 2000+ hives, and they will never go back > to plastic either. > > >Sometimes, what you used in the past is the ONLY method/tool > >without consideration for technology - especially true in beekeeping. > > Not all technology is good. > > oh... and I hate doing cut comb:) > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.netgate.net.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955694704.736581@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-19.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:46:06 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955694721 203.96.152.26 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:45:21 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:45:21 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24156 Hi, Epistan strips now being placed in hives within the quarantined area as of today. Liz (Auckland, NZ) Neville Brook wrote in message news:955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Hello James, > > > Be careful though, it is probably too late for this type of treatment. > > Apistan or Bayvarol is going to be the most certain treatment for now. > These treatments are not yet available in NZ. They are fast tracking > legislation to allow importation of both. > > > > I imagine that apistan or bayvarol are not yet approved. > Correct. Not approved, nor available! > > I'll keep you posted. I really appreciate the advice given and have been > enjoying this ng since becoming a new beekeeper last spring. > Cheers > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > Article 24157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:49:35 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-104.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 955712861 28022 209.130.165.104 (14 Apr 2000 11:47:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2000 11:47:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24157 doona wrote in message ... >Hi >I'm also new beekeeping. The first thing did was go to my Local Library, >they had some books on beekeeping, they were old books but not much has >changed. Not much has changed??????? Please explain. --Busybee >Good Luck >Donna >Dr. Donut wrote in message >news:38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com... >> i have developed a rather strong interest in keeping bees eventually, >> and i was wondering if anyone could recommend any books for a >> beginner. This is obviously not something to jump into, so i would >> like to educate myself intellectually before i approach the task. >> And if anyone has any suggestions where i can find a list of >> associations, groups, etc. of beekeepers in the States i would >> appreciate it. the next stage after reading is perhaps to apprentice. >> Thank you in advance for any assistance! > > Article 24158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:58:31 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8d711i$6ngc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-104.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 955713394 220684 209.130.165.104 (14 Apr 2000 11:56:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2000 11:56:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24158 I highly recommend Dadant's "The Hive and the Honeybee" as The Bible for Beekeeping. The latest revision is 1992 but it is still excellent information. I also recommend Bee Culture and the American Honey Journal for current reads. Attend State and Regional beekeeping association meetings for the best information available in regards to keeping bees in your area. BTW, where are you located?...I can send you information on contacts (individuals and organizations) in your area. --Busybee Dr. Donut wrote in message <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com>... >i have developed a rather strong interest in keeping bees eventually, >and i was wondering if anyone could recommend any books for a >beginner. This is obviously not something to jump into, so i would >like to educate myself intellectually before i approach the task. >And if anyone has any suggestions where i can find a list of >associations, groups, etc. of beekeepers in the States i would >appreciate it. the next stage after reading is perhaps to apprentice. >Thank you in advance for any assistance! Article 24159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-177-145.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Why Varroa? I Treated! Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:56:37 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b1.91 X-Server-Date: 14 Apr 2000 13:57:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24159 In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > > A local well respected old beekeeper came by today and looked at the > situation. He found dead varroa mites on the bottom board, and surmised > that the queen succumbed to varroa related disease sometime over the > winter. Thus the current lack of eggs and the severe drop in the number > of workers. > > I did treat with TM last fall, and > Apistan early last summer. Mebbe it was later than it should have been... > my mistake, but the first package went in in late April. > Anyone have thoughts on how the varroa got in there and did it's damage, even though I treated the hive in the manner described above? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-177-145.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Houston, We Have a Problem Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:54:47 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b1.91 X-Server-Date: 14 Apr 2000 13:55:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24160 In article , "David Verville" wrote: > Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message > > > I'm pretty disappointed, but this fellow emphasized that losing a hive is > > part of beekeeping. > > > > Then why do they call it beeKEEPing > Why not call it, "having bees until something goes wrong and we then buy > more bees". > Update: A beekeeper up in Castle Rock (not far from here) is going to take me out on my first swarm gathering expedition as soon as he gets his first call of the Spring. So I'm going to put a swarm in rather than ordering (and paying for) new bees. So this loss will end up being a great learning opportunity. :) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:06:15 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 45 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust107.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d7imm$9al$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d4nit$ng2$1@news.smartworld.net> <955684935.211225@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust107.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24161 > It is difficult. Can't check drone larvae because it is the time of year > here where there are no drone larvae. Beginning of autumn when hive numbers > are naturally beginning to decrease in numbers. I guess I can say that my > hives are not overrun with them as Ican't find any at this stage. If you are uncapping any brood to see if there are mites, try uncapping any worker cells that are taller (sticking up beyond the others). Apparently cell high is a cue for varroa moms looking for a home. A friend reported that this trick found mites where random worker brood checks found none. This same friend had what he decided was a false positive for varroa on some bees from NZ a few years back. Knowing what we know now, I wonder? > Allen, what my using tobacco smoke to try and see if I have them? Dave made a post recently about tobacco smoke. I think it is one of many ways that will show a medium to heavy infestation. Natural drop using sticky boards will sometimes show mites, but in a new infestation will often not show up. I have a lot of varroa stuff at my site (below) since I just got varroa last year and am still getting used to it. There is a huge difference between just wanting to know how bad the mite load is and trying to find if there are any mites at all. All techniques are helpful for estimating loads, but only a few are good to find if there are very few. Apistan and a sticky board is the best I know for that. (This is assuming that the mites you may have are not an Apistan resistant variety). Something like tobacco or formic will work on resistant bees, but is not as deadly as Apistan can be. A search of my site will show pictures of sticky boards, etc. and a list of varroa resources. BEE-L had a good discussion last year about varroa finding, but it is still an inexact science for many reasons. Try searching BEE-L from my page and use allend@internode.net as an author and 'varroa' for a key. That will get you to some good threads and to other authors articles too. allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, and more... Article 24162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:46:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8d7jgf$j4m$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-113.indium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 955732303 19606 62.136.40.113 (14 Apr 2000 17:11:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2000 17:11:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24162 Two additional points: 1 I would not smoke with tobacco - nicotine is an insecticide and not really the sort of thing that I want in my hives. I believe that there were significant colony losses when our government used it in the early days. A varroa floor is the best method of monitoring, although looking at drone brood with an uncapping fork is very quick (if a bit messy). 2 I was going to try mineral oil - but the research on this seems to have been discredited - so I am not sure about a 'slurry of mineral oil and oil of wintergreen. Article 24163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!torn!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F76859.FA8330CA@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> <8d4klo$jdl$1@news.smartworld.net> <8d5ht5$gfo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:49:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.182.216 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 955738186 161.184.182.216 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:49:46 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:49:46 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24163 All the plastic frames now offer a choice between waxed and unwaxed, but for the extra couple cents a waxed frame, there is no comparison between the two. Also realize that if you want to get the best results on the plastic, either run a 10 frame super full of plastic, or run your super with plastic every third frame, these are the most effective ways to draw frames out. As well, when you make a split, try putting on plastic in the brood super, second from the outside, and that works excellent as well. We introduce between 10000 and 17000 new pierco one piecers every year for the last 10, waxed of course, and we have no problems drawing them out. All of this does depend on your location and the type of honey flows you get of course. Lee Townsend TPLR Honey Farms Stony Plain, Alberta kamtout@together.net wrote: > On your plastic frames/foundation. If they all plastic as I suspect,I > hope at least they have a spattering of beeswax on them. I used the > pierco frames about 100 of them 10/box on the second story of some hives > I started two years ago. During that summer the results varied. Some of > the bees went at them like mad and had them all built out in short order > others did four/five frames in the center and got fed up with any more > wax building. > If you're looking for advice here it is: > FEED them sugar syrup continuously until the frames are all done. If you > get a colony or two that start to balk at building anymore pull the > undone ones, insert wooden frames with new foundation into the center of > the brood chamber. I've had them finish 3 frames of wax in less than a > week this way. Pierco maybe tough to use in places but if you get a > frame drawn out it is beauty unseen anywhere else. I've pulled frames of > pierco that were entirely filled with brood! A rectangle of wall to wall > worker brood. > Another method is to take empties from the outside and split the brood > area by inserting these. most colonies aggressively develop the center > frames anyway. > good luck. > Mike > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Apr 2000 18:58:15 GMT References: <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000414145815.19059.00001583@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24164 <> In the long perspective of evolution perhaps, but in the short haul since the advent of modern human management techniques, the changes come fast and furious with the advent of new pests. Each new insult to the industry (and the hobby) peels off a number of beekeepers who are unable or unwilling to make the changes necessary in their management practices to continue. Quickest to go among these are the folks who think they know something and get frustrated when last season's wisdom becomes this season's mistake. There's an archetype floating around of beekeeping as a quaint "old school" sort of undertaking where wise old greybeards practice timeless wisdom in their relationship with the bees. Bah. The longer you're a beekeeper the more information baggage and expectations must be unlearned before you can begin learning effective techniques to manage the latest pest. In 1900, beekeepers managed bees. Today, they must manage the lives (and deaths) of a whole host of critters—tracheal and varroa mites, wax moths, africanized bees, cape bees, small hive beetles, etc. The probability of my having to change everything I do to manage a new pest defines the whole way I think about beekeeping. In fact, the idea of matching knowledge and skill against the latest pest doesn't inspire dread — at a certain level, it actually excites me. And it motivates me to pay close attention to the latest information by lurking here at sci.agriculture.beekeeping and subscribing to bee-l, along with the best beekeeping magazines in the U.S. And if my kids want to take up beekeeping after me, I'll tell them, "To succeed at beekeeping, first learn how to learn. Then learn how to change." Article 24165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:45:44 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8d6s0j$4ql$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p91.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955708243 4949 203.96.192.219 (14 Apr 2000 10:30:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2000 10:30:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!test-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24165 Hi Liz me too !! good to know there are other female beekeepers out there, did i meet you in Hamilton last year at the Hamilton Womens Health expo at the Rose gardens? if not, that must have been a different Liz. Which means i have met two women beekeepers this past year. We are going to start raising our own queens in the new season all the best carman Neville Brook wrote in message news:955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Hello James, > > > Be careful though, it is probably too late for this type of treatment. > > Apistan or Bayvarol is going to be the most certain treatment for now. > These treatments are not yet available in NZ. They are fast tracking > legislation to allow importation of both. > > > > I imagine that apistan or bayvarol are not yet approved. > Correct. Not approved, nor available! > > I'll keep you posted. I really appreciate the advice given and have been > enjoying this ng since becoming a new beekeeper last spring. > Cheers > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > Article 24166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:55:32 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8d6s0k$4ql$2@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p91.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955708244 4949 203.96.192.219 (14 Apr 2000 10:30:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2000 10:30:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24166 Neville Brook wrote in message news:955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Hello James, > > I believe it is vital that you *don't* destroy colonies. It will do no > > good unless you destroy every colony in both islands and wait 3 years. > > In the meantime attract and destroy all swarms from feral colonies. Then > > you can restock and pray. I cannot see anyone doing this. Of course you > > could just wait and let them die on their own and hope some strain > > evolves that can resist the mite. Again no-one (in their right mind?) > > would do this. So, it's not the way to go. > > It would seem that it was one of the first beekeepers who had it confirmed > that his hives has the mite, that destroyed his two colonies. So the > authorities are not actually destroying hives at this stage. > > Thank you for your concern. > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > True .. at this stage i took the advice given in this ng about not destroying colonies and yesterday faxed it to the secretary of the National beekeepers assoc ... Jane Lorimer and also to the association President, Gary. But tonight on tv news the reporters interviewed both Jane and Gary ... gary said that they will be recommending to MAF that affected hives be destroyed, he said they are going to try an eradication policy. I think their reasoning is based on the fact that the foul brood disease has been decreased significantly by the destruction of hives, perhaps they assume the same approach will be effective for varroa mite... obviously Gary took no notice of my fax and the advice so generously given here, not very pleased about this carman Article 24167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:01:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp14.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:01:46 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24167 busybee wrote: > > doona wrote in message ... > >Hi > >I'm also new beekeeping. The first thing did was go to my Local Library, > >they had some books on beekeeping, they were old books but not much has > >changed. > > Not much has changed??????? > Please explain. > > --Busybee Bees have been bees for about 150 million years. In the past 10-20 relatively small changes have occurred in the equipment and in the bees themselves. Changes have occurred in a few very important topics dealing with pests and that is about it. Thom Article 24168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F6FAF8.6A7040EF@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thom_fried SPAMt astes good_brad"@visi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VA Short Course Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:04:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp14.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:04:01 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24168 Last Reminder The Tidewater Beekeeper's Association Annual Short Course begins this evening. It will be held at the Agricultural Research Station on Diamond Springs Rd. just west of Rt. 13 in Virginia Beach, Virginia. The address is 1444 Diamond Springs Rd. Registration will begin this evening at 6:00 PM and Saturday morning at 7:30 AM. We will have 2 VA State inspectors speak on various topics this year as well as programs presented by local beekeepers providing practical knowledge regarding beekeeping in this region. For More information see our website. http://groups.hamptonroads.com/beekeepers For last minute questions you may call me at 757-889-4756 or email me at the return email (remove _fried Spam tastes good_ ), I will monitor it until 5 PM. Thom Bradley Tidewater Beekeeper's Association Article 24169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:18:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8d7ue6$55e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cqrgm$qbq$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.238.208.153 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 14 20:18:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 157.238.208.153 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24169 In article <8cqrgm$qbq$1@lure.pipex.net>, "Pamela Buckle" wrote: > Waxmoths do have their parasites. There is a small Ichneumon that I often > see in my workroom windows when I have stored combs inside. It does not > seem to act fast enough or in sufficient numbers to be rated a likely > control organism. You do not say which moths you are troubled by, but it > sounds like the lesser. When the greater comes along - no problem deciding > what to do with the combs! Martin., MK, UK. > wrote in message ......Maybe The moths here are about 1/2" long and gray. Thanks for your information. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plants Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:29:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8d7v2u$5r6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.238.208.153 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 14 20:29:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 157.238.208.153 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24170 In article , "like-life" wrote: > I was planting some different srubs and plants > to give my bees some extra pollen............ > I have a 140 foot long fence line coming up my drive..........I haven't > planted anything there as of this time..........I was wondering if anyone > knew of a good climbing plant I could put there that would bloom all > summer...... > open for ideals > Dusty Dusty, I don't know where you live, but my bees love passion vine and pyracantha. The pyracantha, in particular, has numerous blossoms for the bees in the spring. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 31 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:24:17 EDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:27:19 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24171 There has been talk that if all the Langstroth-style hives were destroyed that all the mites would die out. The idea is that the narrow beeways in the Langstroth-style hives keep the bees from being able to preen one another very efficiently since they can't ball up on one another without more liebensraum. In other words, the narrow Langstroth beeways keep the bees too separated from one another whereas bees need to be able to get into layers and clusters. In article <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, contact@pageset.co.nz says... > Hi James, > Destruction of hives is apparently still an option. It all depends on how > far the infestation has gone to decide if it is feasible. The problem I > have with this, is what about the feral hives? Even if they decide to > destroy all managed hives, I don't believe they can hope to get all the > feral ones as well. So we'll see. > > > to nothing. Amazing how rumours become truth so easily. Remember that > > whisper game that we played as children (and in some adult communication > > training groups)! > Yes good game!!! > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > > Article 24172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:03:41 +0100 Message-ID: <$0me3tA9W594EwlQ@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <955694704.736581@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955750444 nnrp-02:8995 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24172 In article <955694704.736581@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, Neville Brook writes >Hi, >Epistan strips now being placed in hives within the quarantined area as of >today. great. -- James Kilty Article 24173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:06:49 +0100 Message-ID: <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955750445 nnrp-02:8995 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24173 In article <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, Neville Brook writes >It would seem that it was one of the first beekeepers who had it confirmed >that his hives has the mite, that destroyed his two colonies. So the >authorities are not actually destroying hives at this stage. Thank goodness for that. And all my incitement to break the law has come to nothing. Amazing how rumours become truth so easily. Remember that whisper game that we played as children (and in some adult communication training groups)! -- James Kilty Article 24174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:12:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d6s0k$4ql$2@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955750446 nnrp-02:8995 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24174 In article <8d6s0k$4ql$2@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >But tonight on tv news the reporters interviewed both Jane and Gary ... gary >said that they will be recommending to MAF that affected hives be >destroyed, he said they are going to try an eradication policy. So get to the TV reporters. And get to your leaders to get them to listen to the experiences of others first. We have low AFB levels through destruction too. Good luck. I daren't post any more on this thread, that's 4 tonight! -- James Kilty Article 24175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plastic hive photos Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Apr 2000 00:22:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000414202222.00118.00001551@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24175 I took a couple photos of the plastic hive from Dabur that I was talking about. they can be seen at: http://members.aol.com/timmdwill/mvc-005s.jpg and http://members.aol.com/timmdwill/mvc-004s.jpg Sorry I don't know how to make it so you can go right to them, my daughter is not here this evening. Anyway you can see the screen and the slot it sets in. If anyone knows its use let me know. They sent no information with the hive. Tim W. Central Illinois Article 24176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz><955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-32.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:56:35 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955752942 203.96.152.26 (Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:55:42 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:55:42 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24176 Hi James, Destruction of hives is apparently still an option. It all depends on how far the infestation has gone to decide if it is feasible. The problem I have with this, is what about the feral hives? Even if they decide to destroy all managed hives, I don't believe they can hope to get all the feral ones as well. So we'll see. > to nothing. Amazing how rumours become truth so easily. Remember that > whisper game that we played as children (and in some adult communication > training groups)! Yes good game!!! Liz (Auckland, NZ) Article 24177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d4nit$ng2$1@news.smartworld.net> <955684935.211225@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d7imm$9al$1@news.smartworld.net> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 67 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955753512.283900@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-32.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:06:21 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955753528 203.96.152.26 (Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:05:28 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:05:28 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24177 Hi Allen, Thanks for the advice, onto your site now. I'll leave the ng alone for a while about this. If anything significant comes along will advise, as I'm sure Carman will too. You are all extremely understanding and helpful to us. Cheers Liz (Auckland, NZ) Allen Dick wrote in message news:8d7imm$9al$1@news.smartworld.net... > > It is difficult. Can't check drone larvae because it is the time of year > > here where there are no drone larvae. Beginning of autumn when hive > numbers > > are naturally beginning to decrease in numbers. I guess I can say that my > > hives are not overrun with them as Ican't find any at this stage. > > If you are uncapping any brood to see if there are mites, try uncapping any > worker cells that are taller (sticking up beyond the others). Apparently > cell high is a cue for varroa moms looking for a home. A friend reported > that this trick found mites where random worker brood checks found none. > This same friend had what he decided was a false positive for varroa on some > bees from NZ a few years back. Knowing what we know now, I wonder? > > > Allen, what my using tobacco smoke to try and see if I have them? > > Dave made a post recently about tobacco smoke. I think it is one of many > ways that will show a medium to heavy infestation. Natural drop using > sticky boards will sometimes show mites, but in a new infestation will often > not show up. I have a lot of varroa stuff at my site (below) since I just > got varroa last year and am still getting used to it. > > There is a huge difference between just wanting to know how bad the mite > load is and trying to find if there are any mites at all. All techniques > are helpful for estimating loads, but only a few are good to find if there > are very few. Apistan and a sticky board is the best I know for that. > (This is assuming that the mites you may have are not an Apistan resistant > variety). Something like tobacco or formic will work on resistant bees, but > is not as deadly as Apistan can be. > > A search of my site will show pictures of sticky boards, etc. and a list of > varroa resources. BEE-L had a good discussion last year about varroa > finding, but it is still an inexact science for many reasons. Try searching > BEE-L from my page and use allend@internode.net as an author and 'varroa' > for a key. That will get you to some good threads and to other authors > articles too. > > allen > -- > Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, > winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs Permadent, > wrapping bees, AFB, and more... > > > Article 24178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: transferring from a nuc Message-ID: <38f7a00a.5849197@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:58:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 955753159 216.80.168.248 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:59:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:59:19 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24178 I had to put a swarm in a swarm trap with 3 frames of foundation and no brood foundation tuesday and ordered more equipment. I put sugar water on them and thery are still in there , but its been raining and cold. How do I go about tranferring these to new hive which I will put a frame of brood and I plan on adding a frame of brood to the trap when the weather breaks. Is there any thing I can do to assure that these bees will stay until I get this done? I live in southwest va. I have my hives set up with 1 deep 9 5/8 and one med super. I keep readind that I should have 2 deep. I was thinking about just adding another med super and start rotating these three boxes. Would this be better since the super already has brood in it? Article 24179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d6s0j$4ql$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955753309.158636@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-32.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:02:58 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955753325 203.96.152.26 (Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:02:05 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:02:05 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24179 Hi Carman, Where are you? I'm in Waiau Pa, South West Auckland. > Hamilton last year at the Hamilton Womens Health expo at the Rose gardens? > if not, that must have been a different Liz. No wasn't me. But I think I know who it was. We have a Liz in our club (Franklin) and she lives just 3kms down the road from me, and she has a magnificant rose garden. Do you belong to a club? > We are going to start raising our own queens in the new season Good luck, all the reading I've been doing suggests you wil enjoy it and get a lot of satisfaction from raising your own queens. I'm going to try ross rounds for comb honey this year. Cheers Liz (Auckland, NZ) > Neville Brook wrote in message > news:955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > Hello James, > > > > > Be careful though, it is probably too late for this type of treatment. > > > Apistan or Bayvarol is going to be the most certain treatment for now. > > These treatments are not yet available in NZ. They are fast tracking > > legislation to allow importation of both. > > > > > > I imagine that apistan or bayvarol are not yet approved. > > Correct. Not approved, nor available! > > > > I'll keep you posted. I really appreciate the advice given and have been > > enjoying this ng since becoming a new beekeeper last spring. > > Cheers > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > > Article 24180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why Varroa? I Treated! Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:18:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38f7b395.135726156@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24180 On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:56:37 -0600, HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >In article >, >HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > >> >> A local well respected old beekeeper came by today and looked at the >> situation. He found dead varroa mites on the bottom board, and surmised >> that the queen succumbed to varroa related disease sometime over the >> winter. Thus the current lack of eggs and the severe drop in the number >> of workers. >> >> I did treat with TM last fall, and >> Apistan early last summer. Mebbe it was later than it should have been... >> my mistake, but the first package went in in late April. >> > > >Anyone have thoughts on how the varroa got in there and did it's damage, >even though I treated the hive in the manner described above? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com Treating early is fine as long as you monitor the hive for varroa after the treatment is over. A treated hive becomes full strength with little difficulty while neighboring feral colonies struggle along. These feral colonies finally dwindle and your bees take advantage of the situation. Not only do they bring back the bounty of honey but they also bring back a mother lode of varroa in a very short period of time! One generation later and it is all over. Hives must be monitored for varroa every three weeks in late summer if they are not under treatment. The ether roll test is cheap - use it. Greg the beekeep Article 24181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-177-145.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:02:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> <8csfdv$m87$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b1.91 X-Server-Date: 14 Apr 2000 14:04:01 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24181 In article <8csfdv$m87$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com wrote: > Pro: Duragilt is made by coating a thin plastic sheet with beeswax > on both sides and crimping the cell bases into it. This combination > provides a very strong foundation to survive the pressures of repeated > extraction (centrifugal force while spinning a frame full of honey). FWIW: The first time I extracted honey, last fall, I spun the centrifuge too hard and it separated the duragilt from the wooden foundation. From now on, I'm going to use it for brood boxes, but not for honey supers, I think. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:20:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8d8jks$s6f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cqrgm$qbq$1@lure.pipex.net> <8d7ue6$55e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.156 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 15 02:20:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.156 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24182 Does anyone know how to prevent them from getting in in the first place? What about using mothballs in dead hives that will be used later? Iknow removing them and placing them in a garage covered in plastic or tarps might work but is there something else that won't render them useless to the bees? keeping the boxes in the beeyard would be most helpful. Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why Varroa? I Treated! Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:12:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8d8j5v$rjo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38f7b395.135726156@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.156 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 15 02:12:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.156 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24183 Well my 2cents says there a very good chance that varroa killed them. A good way is to look at the bottom board and sort out the stuff looking for mites. I put Apistan in as well and who'da thought they wouldn't work? Did for the past 5 years! Until this year anyway. 9 died early Jan or late Dec. I found 4 in March that had clusters that were the size of my fist,with queens yes. The varroa mites this year were finally resistant enough to the Apistan to not put a dent in them. This is why so many state are gaining EPA approval to use CheckMite... This fall unfortunately will probably be CheckMite year. just to keep the mites guessing. Mike > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:51:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8d8lfo$u1g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cqrgm$qbq$1@lure.pipex.net> <8d7ue6$55e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8d8jks$s6f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 15 02:51:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24184 > kamtout@together.net wrote: > Does anyone know how to prevent them from getting in in the first > place? > What about using mothballs in dead hives that will be used later? > Iknow removing them and placing them in a garage covered in plastic or > tarps might work but is there something else that won't render them > useless to the bees? keeping the boxes in the beeyard would be most > helpful. > Mike ******************************************************** Howdy Mike -- Instead of mothballs, use PDB crystals (paradichlorobenzine). Stack your boxes of combs, etc and tape up holes and cracks. Set the stack on a flat area on about a dozen thicknesses of newspapers. On a piece of paper on top of the stack place several Tablespoonsfull of the crystals. The fumes from these are heavier than air and will go ldown through the stack. This will not kill eggs, but will kill the worm as soon as it hatches. It is not a matter of the moths having to have access to the combs, they are already there when on the hive. The moths slip into the hive at night and lay eggs. They can also lay eggs in cracks so the tiny larvae can crawl into the hive after hatching. Keep crystals in place as long as the combs are stored, but they should be aired out a day or two before use. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955768166.13179@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-27.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:51:56 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955768181 203.96.152.26 (Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:09:41 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:09:41 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24185 Hi Peter, Surely, if there was more space there'd just be more burr comb, which one doesn't want between frames? Dare I ask what style of hive you have? It is after all the bees that create the beespace isn't it, between the frames? If you mean the space between the side of the frame and the hive wall, well if there was more space, there'd be more burr comb, yes? I'd be interested to hear more on this opinion. We only have Langstroth hives in NZ. Unless there are some top-bar beekeepers around that build their own hives. Liz (Auckland, NZ) > There has been talk that if all the Langstroth-style hives were > destroyed that all the mites would die out. The idea is that the > narrow beeways in the Langstroth-style hives keep the bees from > being able to preen one another very efficiently since they can't > ball up on one another without more liebensraum. In other words, > the narrow Langstroth beeways keep the bees too separated from > one another whereas bees need to be able to get into layers and > clusters. > > > > > > In article <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, > contact@pageset.co.nz says... > > Hi James, > > Destruction of hives is apparently still an option. It all depends on how > > far the infestation has gone to decide if it is feasible. The problem I > > have with this, is what about the feral hives? Even if they decide to > > destroy all managed hives, I don't believe they can hope to get all the > > feral ones as well. So we'll see. > > > > > to nothing. Amazing how rumours become truth so easily. Remember that > > > whisper game that we played as children (and in some adult communication > > > training groups)! > > Yes good game!!! > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > > > Article 24186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nntp-cust.primenet.com!natasha.rmii.com!den-news1.rmi.net!not-for-mail From: "Mac & Mic" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sugar Patties Lines: 6 Organization: Windy Acres MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:38:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.139.242.103 X-Complaints-To: news@rmi.net X-Trace: den-news1.rmi.net 955768788 205.139.242.103 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:19:48 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:19:48 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24186 I need the recipe for sugar patties and seem to have misplaced the book. I think the ratio is 2 parts sugar to 1 part Crisco. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Mac Article 24187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:39:11 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <8d8o5l$6edc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-47.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 955769845 211372 209.130.165.47 (15 Apr 2000 03:37:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Apr 2000 03:37:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24187 busybee wrote in message <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > >Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> > wrote in message ><38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net>... >> >> >>busybee wrote: >>> >>> doona wrote in message ... >>> >Hi >>> >I'm also new beekeeping. The first thing did was go to my Local Library, >>> >they had some books on beekeeping, they were old books but not much has >>> >changed. >>> >>> Not much has changed??????? >>> Please explain. >>> >>> --Busybee >> >> Bees have been bees for about 150 million years. In the past 10-20 >>relatively small changes have occurred in the equipment and in the bees >>themselves. Changes have occurred in a few very important topics dealing >>with pests and that is about it. >> >>Thom > > >For basic information, old books and publications may suffice, but if you >were really going to get into beekeeping as a hobby or a business, I surely >would not rely on outdated material. IMO, beekeeping practices have changed >tremendously! My husband comments often how different the way things are >when comparing HIS way vs. HIS FATHER'S or even HIS GRANDFATHERS way and >most definately HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHERS way. Yes, basically, bees have been >bees for millions of years and that is about it...the original poster asked >about "beekeeping". > >--Busybee > Added thought...heck, our (personal) business of keeping bees has changed dramatically even in the past 2-5 years...(hahahaha)!!!! --Busybee > > Article 24188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:01:46 -0600 Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8d8p6s$n0t$1@hardcore.ivn.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d7jgf$j4m$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: "Spike Psarris" NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-4-184.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 955770908 23581 199.45.211.184 (15 Apr 2000 03:55:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Apr 2000 03:55:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24188 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8d7jgf$j4m$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > 2 I was going to try mineral oil - but the research on this seems to have > been discredited - so I am not sure about a 'slurry of mineral oil and oil > of wintergreen. Are there any sources for this? Are you referring only to the mineral oil being discredited, or the essential oils too? Article 24189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:21:06 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 54 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust109.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d8j8c$rs0$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust109.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24189 > >> Not much has changed??????? > > Bees have been bees for about 150 million years... > I surely would not rely on outdated material. IMO, beekeeping > practices have changed tremendously! My husband comments > often how different the way things are... I have to agree with this most strongly. The style in many bee books in the past was to emphasize the romantic aspect, make unsupported suggestions, and generally enthral and entertain. Even the best are missing some really essential ideas for survival as a 21st century beekeeper. That is not to say that there aren't some great and very factual oldies. How to Keep Bees and Sell Honey says it all, and although I haven't opened mine in a decade or more, I still remember it with respect. I have less fond memories of 'Starting Right with Bees', which my wife and I still call "Starting Wrong with Bees'. The several past editions of The Hive and the Honey Bee' are all very relevant. I have an 1898 ABC and XYZ that I read a bit from time to time and, yes, I learn from it too. But, if I were learning bees from the beginning, I would get to a good several day course with several speakers as fast as I could, then load up on the most recent basic texts. Not too long ago, I called my bee book supplier (Doug & Eileen McCutcheon) and asked them to send me the best they had on queen rearing and for $150 CAD ($100 US), I got an excellent selection of marvellous books. If you were to do the same with Larry Connor or McCutcheons, or even your closest bee supplier, you would get a lot for $100. That $100 would be returned in savings to your pocketbook and pride within a year, I guarantee. The old books are good for fun and insight into history, but books like Samatoro and Avitabile's are miles ahead in today's beekeeping and explain in detail for the less experienced. In case you are wondering -- as a professional beekeeper, if I had to give up all but one of the shelf of bee books I own, I'd not ever be without the latest edition of 'The Hive and the Honey Bee'. There was a huge change when mites came in. Moreover new materials and new pricing realities for many materials and our products and supplies have changed the practicalities for beekeepers. This book covers it all. Sure, the bees are still much the same and doing the same things as at the last change of centuries, but then, they don't need books. allen ------ Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, and more... Article 24190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F7F6BB.8B8BAF9D@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? References: <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> <20000414145815.19059.00001583@ng-fh1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 85 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:58:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp41.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:58:14 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24190 So, in short, you agree, not much has changed regarding the bees and equipment. I said nothing of management practices. Also, reading older books such as Roger Morse's will instruct on how to learn to manage bees on your own terms. Copying anyone else's management will not work for you. You must manage your own way to be successful. Before you can learn to manage you must know the biology and you must know management theory. The quality older texts will cover these topics as well as new quality texts. Just as I said, most new management changes have to do with law, pest management or things such as migratory beekeeping, etc. For comparison, examine the differences in the editions of "The Hive and the Honeybee". Written by imminent thinkers, beekeepers, entomologists of the day, it is representative of the changes in the knowledge of bees and the concerns of the day. Especially considering the topics necessary for beginning beekeeping, we find most information (not dealing with pest concerns) to be relatively stable. It is not necessary to be knowledgeable on the debate of the validity of "Dance Language Theory" to enter beekeeping. I agree, new pests alter the climate. That is why I made the caveat. Believe me, I am not a "quaint, old school" 'haver. Thom JMitc1014 wrote: > > < small changes have occurred in the equipment and in the bees themselves. > Changes have occurred in a few very important topics dealing > with pests and that is about it.>> > > In the long perspective of evolution perhaps, but in the short haul since > the advent of modern human management techniques, the changes come fast and > furious with the advent of new pests. > Each new insult to the industry (and the hobby) peels off a number of > beekeepers who are unable or unwilling to make the changes necessary in their > management practices to continue. Quickest to go among these are the folks who > think they know something and get frustrated when last season's wisdom becomes > this season's mistake. > There's an archetype floating around of beekeeping as a quaint "old school" > sort of undertaking where wise old greybeards practice timeless wisdom in their > relationship with the bees. > Bah. The longer you're a beekeeper the more information baggage and > expectations must be unlearned before you can begin learning effective > techniques to manage the latest pest. > In 1900, beekeepers managed bees. Today, they must manage the lives (and > deaths) of a whole host of critters—tracheal and varroa mites, wax moths, > africanized bees, cape bees, small hive beetles, etc. > The probability of my having to change everything I do to manage a new pest > defines the whole way I think about beekeeping. In fact, the idea of matching > knowledge and skill against the latest pest doesn't inspire dread — at a > certain level, it actually excites me. > And it motivates me to pay close attention to the latest information by > lurking here at sci.agriculture.beekeeping and subscribing to bee-l, along with > the best beekeeping magazines in the U.S. > And if my kids want to take up beekeeping after me, I'll tell them, "To > succeed at beekeeping, first learn how to learn. Then learn how to change." Article 24191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <955768166.13179@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 70 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:30:34 EDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:33:33 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24191 In article <955768166.13179@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, contact@pageset.co.nz says... > Hi Peter, > Surely, if there was more space there'd just be more burr comb, which one > doesn't want between frames? Dare I ask what style of hive you have? I have a top bar hive. > It is > after all the bees that create the beespace isn't it, between the frames? As I understand it, the Langstroth frame design is specially made narrow so that the bees quickly fill in the space and then move on, and then the frames themselves fit nicely into the mechanized uncapper machines and into the centrifugal extractor machines. This is a lot different from the feral hive you will find in the boojum tree, for example, where the comb is not limited in width or depth. Also, in the boojum tree or other non-langstroth hive, the bees always have open plenty of open areas where they can socialize and get into clumps. For some reason, in these open space hives there seems to be very little burr comb. There is usually no open area at all in the Langstroth frames, unfortunately for the bees, but what do I know? > If you mean the space between the side of the frame and the hive wall, well > if there was more space, there'd be more burr comb, yes? No, I don't think so. In the boojum tree, the bees will make the comb into the shape that a chain makes when it is attached at both ends and allowed to hang down in the middle. > I'd be interested > to hear more on this opinion. We only have Langstroth hives in NZ. Unless > there are some top-bar beekeepers around that build their own hives. > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > There has been talk that if all the Langstroth-style hives were > > destroyed that all the mites would die out. The idea is that the > > narrow beeways in the Langstroth-style hives keep the bees from > > being able to preen one another very efficiently since they can't > > ball up on one another without more liebensraum. In other words, > > the narrow Langstroth beeways keep the bees too separated from > > one another whereas bees need to be able to get into layers and > > clusters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, > > contact@pageset.co.nz says... > > > Hi James, > > > Destruction of hives is apparently still an option. It all depends on > how > > > far the infestation has gone to decide if it is feasible. The problem I > > > have with this, is what about the feral hives? Even if they decide to > > > destroy all managed hives, I don't believe they can hope to get all the > > > feral ones as well. So we'll see. > > > > > > > to nothing. Amazing how rumours become truth so easily. Remember that > > > > whisper game that we played as children (and in some adult > communication > > > > training groups)! > > > Yes good game!!! > > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Marsha Hallett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Getting rid of Africanized bees Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:51:40 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.104.16.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 955774242 207.104.16.55 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:50:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:50:42 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24192 Dear Bee folks, For anyone who may be interested, it has been discovered that Colloidal Silver will kill bees. Apparently it kills the bacteria in the gut of the bees, thus starving them. A fellow on the Silverlist, the newsgroup for folks who use CS for getting rid of infections of all kinds, used some CS as a trial to see if it would stop the infestation of mites. Sadly, it killed all his bees instead. Thus, if someone wants to kill off a hive of the Africanized bees, CS ought to do the trick! Just set out a tray of sugar water, with CS in it. I used CS myself to get rid of Lyme Disease, which 6 years of antibiotics couldn`t cure. It is easily made with nine volt batteries, some distilled water, and 2 pieces of pure silver wire. It can stop any infection in man and animals, including colds, flu, and even AIDS. Honest! I saved my baby Cockatiel from a vet-diagnosed case of Giardiasis with nothing but CS dripped into her beak. The vet was amazed. Feel free to email me if you would like more info. I hope this will help... Marsha Article 24193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: 15 Apr 2000 06:05:38 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8d9eti$qo8$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> <20000414145815.19059.00001583@ng-fh1.aol.com> <38F7F6BB.8B8BAF9D@visi.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24193 In article <38F7F6BB.8B8BAF9D@visi.net>, Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> wrote: > So, in short, you agree, not much has changed regarding the bees and >equipment. I said nothing of management practices. Also, reading older >books such as Roger Morse's will instruct on how to learn to manage bees >on your own terms. Copying anyone else's management will not work for >you. You must manage your own way to be successful. > > Before you can learn to manage you must know the biology and you must >know management theory. The quality older texts will cover these topics >as well as new quality texts. http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping /faqs/bookfaq1.html Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:49:27 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 46 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust142.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d9o1b$o7s$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d7jgf$j4m$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <8d8p6s$n0t$1@hardcore.ivn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust142.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24194 > > 2 I was going to try mineral oil - but the research on this seems to have > > been discredited - so I am not sure about a 'slurry of mineral oil and > oil of wintergreen. > Are there any sources for this? Are you referring only to the mineral oil > being discredited, or the essential oils too? Anything will varroa, even a hammer when used just right. The real problem is to get a method that will kill a predictable high percentage of the varroa reliably without * killing or damaging the bees or hive significantly * affecting the honey and wax and propolis, * injuring the beekeeper or his/her customers, or * requiring an elaborate technique * without and taking all day. Such a method must not be too weather dependant or time consuming or require following difficult instructions and making judgement calls. This is the crux of the problem. Anyone who can understand and remember all of the above can easily understand the confusion and controversy surrounding the various 'cures' and 'controls', and why there are a very limited number of universally effective methods. Doses, position, timing, source, weather, operator technique and many, many other factors come into play when using non-standard controls. Efficacy varies from zero effect to good kills, but you cannot predict, and treatment usually has to take place in a narrow time window, before a flow, during broodless periods, not when the temp is below X degrees, etc. etc. Legality and safety become an issue with many alternate methods, too. Thus, there are some methods we know are reasonably safe and simple and certain (with a few caveats) and many methods that we know are 'experimental' -- meaning 'use at your own risk'. allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why Varroa? I Treated! Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:53:52 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 14 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust142.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d9obj$ora$1@news.smartworld.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cust142.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24195 > and bees sometimes come into the nearest hive when lost. I remember Jerry B posted to BEE-L sometime back about how short a time it takes lost bees off a passing truck to find any beehive within a few kilometres and move in. It was a matter of minutes. allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:47:33 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 70 Message-ID: <8d9tvj$t2i$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d6s0j$4ql$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955753309.158636@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p78.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955808563 29778 203.96.192.78 (15 Apr 2000 14:22:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Apr 2000 14:22:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24196 Neville Brook wrote in message news:955753309.158636@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Hi Carman, > Where are you? I'm in Waiau Pa, South West Auckland. I'm just north of Hamilton > > Hamilton last year at the Hamilton Womens Health expo at the Rose gardens? > > if not, that must have been a different Liz. > > No wasn't me. But I think I know who it was. We have a Liz in our club > (Franklin) and she lives just 3kms down the road from me, and she has a > magnificant rose garden. Do you belong to a club? hamilton Beekeepers .. we're also members of the national association. > > We are going to start raising our own queens in the new season > Good luck, all the reading I've been doing suggests you wil enjoy it and get > a lot of satisfaction from raising your own queens. one of our hives swarmed early this season, there was hardly any food left in the hive and hardly any bees, I took one of the queen cells from one of the other hives and put it in the abandoned hive, thinking it would work because the hive was so weak and not enough bees to raise a queen, we decided sink or swim. Went back a few weeks later and the hive was full of bees and brood... real good inspiration > I'm going to try ross rounds for comb honey this year. fantastic ! always learning, looks like we'll have to learn a lot more too now we have this extra challenge great to see you here!! carman > Cheers > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > Neville Brook wrote in message > > news:955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > > Hello James, > > > > > > > Be careful though, it is probably too late for this type of treatment. > > > > Apistan or Bayvarol is going to be the most certain treatment for now. > > > These treatments are not yet available in NZ. They are fast tracking > > > legislation to allow importation of both. > > > > > > > > I imagine that apistan or bayvarol are not yet approved. > > > Correct. Not approved, nor available! > > > > > > I'll keep you posted. I really appreciate the advice given and have > been > > > enjoying this ng since becoming a new beekeeper last spring. > > > Cheers > > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:45:56 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-33.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 955737850 232130 209.130.165.33 (14 Apr 2000 18:44:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2000 18:44:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24197 Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> > wrote in message <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net>... > > >busybee wrote: >> >> doona wrote in message ... >> >Hi >> >I'm also new beekeeping. The first thing did was go to my Local Library, >> >they had some books on beekeeping, they were old books but not much has >> >changed. >> >> Not much has changed??????? >> Please explain. >> >> --Busybee > > Bees have been bees for about 150 million years. In the past 10-20 >relatively small changes have occurred in the equipment and in the bees >themselves. Changes have occurred in a few very important topics dealing >with pests and that is about it. > >Thom For basic information, old books and publications may suffice, but if you were really going to get into beekeeping as a hobby or a business, I surely would not rely on outdated material. IMO, beekeeping practices have changed tremendously! My husband comments often how different the way things are when comparing HIS way vs. HIS FATHER'S or even HIS GRANDFATHERS way and most definately HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHERS way. Yes, basically, bees have been bees for millions of years and that is about it...the original poster asked about "beekeeping". --Busybee Article 24198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:02:52 +0100 Message-ID: <+k6ezqAMW594Ewkd@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955750444 nnrp-02:8995 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24198 In article <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, Neville Brook writes >Correct. Not approved, nor available! Sorry to say this but it *is* available - by post (looks over shoulder to see if someone is watching). Have you a friend who can help? Is "not approved" = "actively disapproved", i.e., illegal? Frankly, I cannot see how if 100 beekeepers used apistan because it was recommended by people from countries experienced in the problems of varroa then you'd all be prosecuted (even English speaking countries such as UK and US and Canada so they can't play the superior racial thing implied by disregarding all those foreigners)! So why not get together? You can sample 100 bees in some way I have forgotten: something like freeze-kill them and then do something which separates off the varroa and count them and then extrapolate. 1:10 would be at the near critical level for the moment and treatment would be necessary early next season (6 weeks before honey supers are needed). I cannot remember the exact numbers but I think 5000 varroa per hive is the critical level for virus appearance for many colonies even though some can take 20000 without apparent illness. -- James Kilty Article 24199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is there a UK newsgroup. Stoneleigh Meeting Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:43:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8d5kbm$d4i$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955750440 nnrp-02:8995 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24199 In article <8d5kbm$d4i$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, Freddie Cooke writes >Hi all, >I posted the first enquiry some weeks ago and except for some UK Group URLs >I haven't located a UK news group. sorry had it in mind to reply to you but took my time and posted a reply to this thread which you may have seen. -- James Kilty Article 24200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why Varroa? I Treated! Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:48:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955750443 nnrp-02:8995 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24200 In article , Charles "Stretch" Ledford writes >Anyone have thoughts on how the varroa got in there and did it's damage, >even though I treated the hive in the manner described above? You had a very long and detailed reply to your original posting which I thought gave the answers. It wasn't varroa that killed the colony, so far as I can discern. In any case, varroa kill is not 100% and there was plenty of time for those that survived apistan to multiply. In addition, mites are spread by bees that get into your hive: drones especially are accepted readily, robbers come and go quietly, and bees sometimes come into the nearest hive when lost. -- James Kilty Article 24201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eradication as a Solution Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 201 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust93.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d7n0g$eib$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust93.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24201 Here is a recent post from BEE-L that maybe is relevant in view of what NZ is experiencing. It's about why eradication ultimately fails, and how to decide when the battle is lost and to throw in the towel and join those who favour control over eradication. Eradication efforts are doomed to fail in the long run, but can sometimes be useful in the short run -- but ONLY IF THE TARGET IS EASILY DETECABLE and the necessary efforts are made religiously and ONLY IF *ALL* BEEKEEPERS ARE ON-SIDE. Weak willed eradication efforts are much worse than none at all. If these conditions are not met 100%, then eradication is an exercise in futility and does more damage to the industry than to the mite. NZ will not get back its mite-free status in the world's eyes, so I hope NZ is not doing this for us. That status, once lost cannot be regained. --------- > I remember sitting in a bee meeting several years ago where Allen > kind of got on his soap box and talked at length about the movement of > bees and the correlating spread of diseases and problems. As I recall, > he kind of shook his head and said we need to develop means to get away > from this type of beekeeping. It has been too long ago now to recall > specifics of what was said but I recall the intent was to discourage the > wholesale movement of bees. This appears to be the opposite of what is > being said now. That is true. I remember that meeting well, because it was a turning point in my life in many ways. At that meeting I was on the losing side and had to yield to the majority and trust the wisdom of my fellow beekeepers in a democratic vote. It was a close decision, and many did not accept the will of the people and went away bitter, and some prominent beekeepers were isolated and broken by the experience. Some people stand for this, and some for that, and some others try to stand for what is reasonable in the situation in which they find themselves. They realise that there is no sense fighting on after a battle is lost. In that particular context, we had to either fight the mites or manage a retreat. I was for fighting one more battle at that point, because we had all decided to make a stand and invested a lot in it -- and immediate defeat did not seem at all inevitable -- with what we thought we knew. In retrospect what we knew was wrong. I think I know a lot of things, but when I am outvoted, I can either say "They are all wrong." or "They are smart, honest, successful people, so maybe this will come out okay. I'd better try to see things their way and at least work with them." Somewhat uncharacteristically for me at that time, I made a deliberate decision to cheerfully respect the majority, and I've never made a better choice. It turned out my fellow beekeepers' majority decision was right, when all the facts were eventually known. We had already lost the battle. Mites were more widespread than we thought and there was no real will to resist anyhow. When Tracheal mites first appeared in the USA, no one knew how serious a problem they would be, and before long the decision was made to close the Canada/US border. This decision was some time in the making, and involved as much emotion as reason. I think I have referred here before to another more private meeting and how no seemed to have thought of the impact on many of our friends in the industry -- in Canada, and in the southern US -- if the border were shut. And, for that matter no one foresaw how rich it would make other beekeepers in New Zealand and Australia -- or Hawaii. As it proved later, the embargo was a case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone, because the mites were already in Alberta and other places by the time closure took place, but no one knew that, because the levels were below detection. Absolute detection methods were -- and are -- not simple and/or foolproof. Some of us believed in these methods more than they proved to deserve and made decisions based on the belief that we could detect the tracheal mites and manage their progress overland. Time proved us wrong. There were other factors besides the natural spread of the mites to consider, even with the border closed. Anyhow, during the time we saw the border decision coming we all had to decide how to bet our livelihoods. Some of us bet on the closure happening and got to work perfecting wintering. This was a big investment in learning and material, but those who foresaw the closure knew it was necessary to be prepared. Our government provided some assistance. Others simply did not believe border closure would ever happen and were caught flat-footed. Having killed their bees (and having no knowledge of wintering even if they had kept them) they had no bees to operate the next year. Many simply went broke. Therefore there was terrific political pressure by those who had been left without bees to re-open the border forthwith and for years after. On the other side, those who had foreseen the closure and had spent a lot of money and resources to learn to operate without incoming American packages saw that their investment could be quickly lost if tracheal mites were imported and distributed quickly throughout Canada with packages and queens. At the time particularly, and perhaps even at present, tracheal mites can spell mass death to overwintering bees. Everyone knew and believed that, at that time. A schism developed and there were two factions that did not communicate well. There was a mistrust of one region for another. Some people made petty political points on each side at the cost of our unity and in some case, friendships. Paul Van Westendorp was in the middle, along with the ABA. We must remember too, at that time no one had bred tracheal mite resistant bees, no one even had proven treatments for tracheal mites, so we were both ignorant and vulnerable. In fact, disregarding the wintering question, no one even knew for sure what the effects of tracheal mites would be on bees in Canadian conditions in spring and summer, except that it would not be beneficial. Having already done damage to the package operators by closing the border, were the associations and regulators to now damage the wintering people by opening it again -- too late for many of the package guys? Or were they to monitor for, and control outbreaks and play out the hand they had chosen? Given that we had chosen, deliberately or not, the path of detection and control, many of us felt committed to it -- until several influential beekeepers suddenly were found to have the tracheal mite. At that point the special meeting that is mentioned was called. Right during spring work, as I recall. Everyone got to speak, and the topic went around and around. Lots of arguments were made, but it was an amazingly civil meeting. Basically, the big guys who had TM said, "We like the bees we have, and even if they have TM, we don't want to kill them. Even the Alberta government gives us full compensation (which was generously offered) we don't want to kill them". It was pretty much a standoff, and that is when the soapbox talk to which Leon refers took place. I indicated that I thought we could make the plan work, and that since 99% of us at that time only moved within small areas, the spread could be managed, and perhaps reversed. I was personally committed to stay-put beekeeping and, perhaps if everyone else were to agree, it might have worked. I don't know, but a few wanted to keep rolling and being free traders, and we couldn't/wouldn't stop them. They liked to go hundreds or thousands of miles. I don't think it made them more money than staying home, but it was just their way. A few years later, the same guys insisted on bringing in varroa and spreading it around. BUT beekeeepers are beekeepers. We are stubborn lot who often insist on doing things our own wrong way, and we respect that in each other. So, I now move bees up to 250 miles to accommodate the needs of the seed growers, and I have all the mites. I still have my friends and I still disagree with them about what they chose for us. But we are friends. allen > My question is: What has changed your view on this, Allen? or...was > I totally off base with my impression of your comments of yore? :) -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, and more... Article 24202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees wanted in Sussex, England Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:18:13 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4p5ffssdpo3dhdituk9ai2rl5t1s1n9m0t@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.172.233 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 955751124 1NNUCNF1GACE9C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24202 Does anybody in Sussex have hives and bees they want to dispose of? Nice tempered ones only. I have just had a run in with bees from hell. Please e-mail me at steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk Thanks Article 24203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d7jgf$j4m$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955753441.309862@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-32.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:05:11 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955753457 203.96.152.26 (Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:04:17 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:04:17 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24203 Hi Peter, Thanks. I'll wait till the authorities get closer to me and get one of those Epistan strips and just hope the mite we have is not immune to it. I've seen the uncapping fork thing - yuk! Thanks for your help. Liz (Auckland, NZ) Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8d7jgf$j4m$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > Two additional points: > > 1 I would not smoke with tobacco - nicotine is an insecticide and not > really the sort of thing that I want in my hives. I believe that there were > significant colony losses when our government used it in the early days. A > varroa floor is the best method of monitoring, although looking at drone > brood with an uncapping fork is very quick (if a bit messy). > > 2 I was going to try mineral oil - but the research on this seems to have > been discredited - so I am not sure about a 'slurry of mineral oil and oil > of wintergreen. > > Article 24204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "grizzly bearnolds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: From Ma. to Allen / Re: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:32:37 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 58 Message-ID: <029201bfa709$384bcfe0$e7211c8e@nisgaa.bc.ca> References: <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cnasi$b9b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cnh2g$etd$1@news.smartworld.net> Reply-To: "grizzly bearnolds" NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6z56pJYlG5eurKs0iHQGjKq?= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24204 From: Allen Dick To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping@list.deja.com Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 Subject: Re: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping >>> If you have troubles, write back and we'll get everyone using this excellent resource who needs it. >>> Thanks, Allen - for responding to this question on the list, I'll go and check your points out, once the internet is working for us again. I am on our school district's internet and email server and that is at its best "interesting", it works and it doesn't, but that is aside the point, usually I'm pretty good at figuring them out. Just for interest sake, in regards to Sci.Agriculture.Beekeeping, I have been on their subscription list for a while, and get their postings through individual emails, which I rather prefer. I had tried a number of times to post something but only recently it seems (a) I got a message through by email and (b) a similar message through by posting directly with the posting function provided in their web page. Suddenly, it worked, however that came to be. One funny thing I noticed recently, and I thought that wasn't the case before, any posts coming from Sci.Agri show up in my email about one week late. Which is ok too, now that I know that, and if there is something urgent I need to know or post about, now I know that I have to go then to the web page. I'm sure I'll figure this all out yet. Problem now, to my knowledge we were still varroa free here in the valley, though 100 km South of us varroa has come in, probably through a migrating beekeeper who overwintered his bees in that town for the last few years, despite attempts to quarantine the Northwest. Now someone else in my valley wants to dabble into bees again and bring some in, though he was at best even worse than us, he cannot overwinter bees, he lost them constantly through swarms, and wouldn't help them with feeding for the winter, but he wants to get into bees again, and import them, so I'm trying hard to learn varroa prevention and treatment, it probably wouldn't be long now before that happens here too. We went into winter with four strong hives, lost two by early January, and the remaining two are still hanging in. It's so darn cold still here that they are not out yet flying, and I don't risk opening them yet, mainly I don't want to kill off any possible brood by chilling them. So I'll wait patiently and usually, things will work out. "We" are still just a husband and wife small scale beekeeper team, and husband arranged to send me off to far away Smithers to take that queen raising course in June. Will be interesting. Hope you have a good bee year. We keep trying. Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA mailto:mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 38 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <0b3K4.6556$WF.432467@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:13:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955825980 12.72.49.104 (Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:13:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:13:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24205 Yes Peter, there has been talk but only from you as far as I can tell. If your theory is correct then how would you explain that a brood chamber with only 9 frames fairs no better (ver wise) than a brood chamber with 10 frames since there is more space between frames containing brood (the brood cells are not drawn deeper with 9 frames, those containing honey will be). If your claim is that the Langstroth bee space is not natural to the bees biology, then why will they draw out honey supers and cap them with the SAME space between cappings regardless of 8, 9, or 10 frames? I'll bet that if you took a swarm and hived it in an empty (no frames) Langstroth deep and measured the volume of space not occupied with comb, the volume would be less than that of a deep with 10 frames. The whole argument of Langstroth vs. TBH is moot anyway since the TBH is poorly suited for commercial use. Didn't you lose your TBH last year to mites? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Peter Amschel" wrote in message news:MPG.13614932ac26bae8989ae9@news.pe.net... > There has been talk that if all the Langstroth-style hives were > destroyed that all the mites would die out. The idea is that the > narrow beeways in the Langstroth-style hives keep the bees from > being able to preen one another very efficiently since they can't > ball up on one another without more liebensraum. In other words, > the narrow Langstroth beeways keep the bees too separated from > one another whereas bees need to be able to get into layers and > clusters. > Article 24206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <0b3K4.6556$WF.432467@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 33 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:57:46 EDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:00:48 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24206 Yes, the Langstroth frame method of bee keeping has reduced the price of honey so low that my friend and Korean War Veteran Bee Bob is not even keeping bees this year because it's not financially feasible. Regardless of the mite question, if everyone produced fine, comb honey and abandonned these Langstroth frames, then the price of honey and comb would quickly rise to its true value. Why would you want to mass produce cheap, mixed honey for a bakery or a breakfast cereal company? This cheapens and adulterates and harms the reputation of the real thing. Honey in the natural comb is one of the most valuable things in God's green earth, but so many beekeepers have so much money invested in Langstroth based hives and extracting equipment and Langstroth based trucks, loaders, etc. that suggesting that they should go to totally natural comb is like asking the government to repeal drug prohibition laws. Pete A. California draftee #US56708144 U.S. Army 459th Signal Battalion 1st Signal Brigade RVN 1968 We served proudly in Vietnam with Australians and New Zealanders and Canadians against communism and communism has not prevailed. In article <0b3K4.6556$WF.432467@bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net says... > The whole argument of Langstroth vs. TBH is moot anyway since the TBH is > poorly suited for commercial use. > Article 24207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fleeing queen?? Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:15:23 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:18:39 -0500 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24207 Hi guys, I'm a second year beekeeper & I had two hives that made it thru the winter quite well. Due to some personal/family/health matters, I was not able to get supers on those two hives in time to keep them from swarming. The weaker of the two produced a large swarm, which I captured without incident (so far). The stronger one produced a swarm a little bigger than a double-handful which I found hanging about six inches away from the hive entrance. I captured this swarm in a shallow super (only thing I had at the time) and put them on top of one of my existing hive for the time being. This was about a week and a half ago. A few days later, I inspected them & they were still there, queen & all, but didn't seem to have any comb drawn. I moved the hive to my back yard (other hives are about 5 miles away) so I could watch and nurse them along. I've been feeding sugar water & they've been taking it. I inspected them today, since it was kinda warm and a lot of bees were coming & going. They have drawn out probably about 3/4 of a shallow frame far enough to lay eggs in (in my estimation), but there were no eggs that I could see. The queen was there, but she didn't seem to try to run & hide like they usually do. I put the hive back together & was adjusting the entrance reducer, when I'm almost sure I saw the queen come out & fly away!! Now, it's my understanding that the old queen leaves with the swarm, so she should have no reason to leave the hive to mate or anything else. Did my queen just leave me? Since they've been hived for so long with no eggs, was she probably kaput anyhow (she's less than a year old)? What should I do with these bees? Requeen? Is it too late? Any theories about what happened or what I should do would be appreciated. Thanks, Rodney ****************** Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net (remove the obvious part to reply) Article 24208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <955768166.13179@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 114 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955834422.967394@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-246.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:34:52 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955834438 203.96.152.26 (Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:33:58 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:33:58 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24208 Hi Peter, Since becoming a new beekeeper last spring (6 months ago), I have been systematically reading through the archives of this ng. Just to learn as much as possible from the group and to see what goes on in other parts of the world. So I have learnt lots about top bar hives from this ng and have read many heated debates on the subject, and I have visited a website exclusive to top bar hives just to see what they are all about. Now I don't want to get into the pros and cons of either because my knowledge is far too limited. But if you use the argument that feral hives are built just the way the bees like them and so that they can get into clumps to socialise and preen themselves, and therefore cleanse the mites off each other, then why is it that the feral hives are also being infested and killed off by the Varroa mite? Since being concerned myself that if they decide to destroy hives in NZ to reduce spread and possible erradication of the mite, they would never get all the feral colonies; it would seem the authorities are not concerned about the feral colonies, because they will naturally die out anyway. In my very limited experience, when I leave too much room between my frames or between frame and hive body wall, there is no doubt the bees will build burr comb to correct the beespace. The bees do not know about uncapping machines, they just do what comes naturally. If the bees didn't like their home that I have given them, then they would surely move elsewhere, and I have read on this ng that many do. I like beekeeping very much and wouldn't do anything that in my opinion would hurt or inhibit my bees. I'm not convinced that destroying Lanstroth hives is any answer to the Varroa mite at all. Liz (Auckland, NZ) Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.136190f883d74211989aea@news.pe.net... > In article <955768166.13179@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, > contact@pageset.co.nz says... > > Hi Peter, > > Surely, if there was more space there'd just be more burr comb, which one > > doesn't want between frames? Dare I ask what style of hive you have? > I have a top bar hive. > > > It is > > after all the bees that create the beespace isn't it, between the frames? > As I understand it, the Langstroth frame design is specially made > narrow so that the bees quickly fill in the space and then move > on, and then the frames themselves fit nicely into the mechanized > uncapper machines and into the centrifugal extractor machines. > This is a lot different from the feral hive you will find in the > boojum tree, for example, where the comb is not limited in width > or depth. Also, in the boojum tree or other non-langstroth hive, > the bees always have open plenty of open areas where they can > socialize and get into clumps. For some reason, in these open > space hives there seems to be very little burr comb. There is > usually no open area at all in the Langstroth frames, > unfortunately for the bees, but what do I know? > > > > If you mean the space between the side of the frame and the hive wall, well > > if there was more space, there'd be more burr comb, yes? > > No, I don't think so. In the boojum tree, the bees will make the > comb into the shape that a chain makes when it is attached at > both ends and allowed to hang down in the middle. > > I'd be interested > > to hear more on this opinion. We only have Langstroth hives in NZ. Unless > > there are some top-bar beekeepers around that build their own hives. > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > There has been talk that if all the Langstroth-style hives were > > > destroyed that all the mites would die out. The idea is that the > > > narrow beeways in the Langstroth-style hives keep the bees from > > > being able to preen one another very efficiently since they can't > > > ball up on one another without more liebensraum. In other words, > > > the narrow Langstroth beeways keep the bees too separated from > > > one another whereas bees need to be able to get into layers and > > > clusters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, > > > contact@pageset.co.nz says... > > > > Hi James, > > > > Destruction of hives is apparently still an option. It all depends on > > how > > > > far the infestation has gone to decide if it is feasible. The problem I > > > > have with this, is what about the feral hives? Even if they decide to > > > > destroy all managed hives, I don't believe they can hope to get all the > > > > feral ones as well. So we'll see. > > > > > > > > > to nothing. Amazing how rumours become truth so easily. Remember that > > > > > whisper game that we played as children (and in some adult > > communication > > > > > training groups)! > > > > Yes good game!!! > > > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Fleeing queen?? Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955835221.936740@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-246.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:48:11 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955835237 203.96.152.26 (Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:47:17 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:47:17 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24209 Hi Rodney, In my extremely limited experience, I would suggest you have a virgin queen. Since the swarm was so small it was probably an afterswarm with a virgin queen. So she's just gone off on her mating flight. Hope this little bit of info helps. Liz (Auckland, NZ) Rodney Isom wrote in message news:LZ4K4.6589$UX4.13251006@news-east.usenetserver.com... > Hi guys, > > I'm a second year beekeeper & I had two hives that made it thru the winter > quite well. Due to some personal/family/health matters, I was not able to > get supers on those two hives in time to keep them from swarming. The > weaker of the two produced a large swarm, which I captured without incident > (so far). The stronger one produced a swarm a little bigger than a > double-handful which I found hanging about six inches away from the hive > entrance. I captured this swarm in a shallow super (only thing I had at the > time) and put them on top of one of my existing hive for the time being. > This was about a week and a half ago. A few days later, I inspected them & > they were still there, queen & all, but didn't seem to have any comb drawn. > I moved the hive to my back yard (other hives are about 5 miles away) so I > could watch and nurse them along. I've been feeding sugar water & they've > been taking it. > > I inspected them today, since it was kinda warm and a lot of bees were > coming & going. They have drawn out probably about 3/4 of a shallow frame > far enough to lay eggs in (in my estimation), but there were no eggs that I > could see. The queen was there, but she didn't seem to try to run & hide > like they usually do. I put the hive back together & was adjusting the > entrance reducer, when I'm almost sure I saw the queen come out & fly away!! > Now, it's my understanding that the old queen leaves with the swarm, so she > should have no reason to leave the hive to mate or anything else. Did my > queen just leave me? Since they've been hived for so long with no eggs, was > she probably kaput anyhow (she's less than a year old)? What should I do > with these bees? Requeen? Is it too late? Any theories about what > happened or what I should do would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rodney > > ****************** > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL > rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net > (remove the obvious part to reply) > > Article 24210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andy Wooten" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <955835221.936740@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: Fleeing queen?? Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:57:41 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:02:04 -0500 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24210 I believe if I wanted to get them going a frame or 2 of brood out of another hive would help and be like insurance. Article 24211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz><955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <+k6ezqAMW594Ewkd@kilty.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:22:53 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 955786936 203.37.7.87 (Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:22:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:22:16 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:22:16 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24211 The use of unlicensed chemicals or medications in agriculture is something that should be discouraged and actively prosecuted. Is apistan as safe as DDT, Endosulfan, Dieldrin etc etc, all have been approved but ain't anymore James Kilty wrote in message news:+k6ezqAMW594Ewkd@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, Neville Brook > writes > >Correct. Not approved, nor available! > Sorry to say this but it *is* available - by post (looks over shoulder > to see if someone is watching). Have you a friend who can help? Is "not > approved" = "actively disapproved", i.e., illegal? Frankly, I cannot see > how if 100 beekeepers used apistan because it was recommended by people > from countries experienced in the problems of varroa then you'd all be > prosecuted (even English speaking countries such as UK and US and Canada > so they can't play the superior racial thing implied by disregarding all > those foreigners)! So why not get together? > > You can sample 100 bees in some way I have forgotten: something like > freeze-kill them and then do something which separates off the varroa > and count them and then extrapolate. 1:10 would be at the near critical > level for the moment and treatment would be necessary early next season > (6 weeks before honey supers are needed). I cannot remember the exact > numbers but I think 5000 varroa per hive is the critical level for virus > appearance for many colonies even though some can take 20000 without > apparent illness. > -- > James Kilty Article 24212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!leto.backbone.ou.edu!news.ecn.ou.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38f8337b.4003010@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: Sugar Patties Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:06:47 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 955793166 203.37.7.87 (Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:06:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:06:06 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:06:06 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24212 pardon my ignorance but what is Crisco? wrote in message news:38f8337b.4003010@news.usit.net... > Brushy mt. recipe is 1lb crisco to 3 lbs granualated sugar mix well > and devide into 12 patties. I put mine in the refrigerator to stiffen > up for handling. > > On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:38:24 -0500, "Mac & Mic" > wrote: > > >I need the recipe for sugar patties and seem to have misplaced the book. I > >think the ratio is 2 parts sugar to 1 part Crisco. Any help or suggestions > >would be appreciated. > > > > Mac > > > Article 24213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Patties Message-ID: <38f8337b.4003010@news.usit.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:20:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 955790451 216.80.168.239 (Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:20:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:20:51 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24213 Brushy mt. recipe is 1lb crisco to 3 lbs granualated sugar mix well and devide into 12 patties. I put mine in the refrigerator to stiffen up for handling. On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:38:24 -0500, "Mac & Mic" wrote: >I need the recipe for sugar patties and seem to have misplaced the book. I >think the ratio is 2 parts sugar to 1 part Crisco. Any help or suggestions >would be appreciated. > > Mac > Article 24214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F84902.81EA0D5E@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Patties References: <38f8337b.4003010@news.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:49:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp25.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:49:15 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24214 Crisco is a product available in North America. It is vegetable oil in a form that resembles lard. It is used for cooking and baking. Any similar vegetable oil product would do. Thom Barry Metz wrote: > > pardon my ignorance but what is Crisco? > wrote in message news:38f8337b.4003010@news.usit.net... > > Brushy mt. recipe is 1lb crisco to 3 lbs granualated sugar mix well > > and devide into 12 patties. I put mine in the refrigerator to stiffen > > up for handling. > > > > On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:38:24 -0500, "Mac & Mic" > > wrote: > > > > >I need the recipe for sugar patties and seem to have misplaced the book. > I > > >think the ratio is 2 parts sugar to 1 part Crisco. Any help or > suggestions > > >would be appreciated. > > > > > > Mac > > > > > Article 24215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Fleeing queen?? Lines: 96 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <8v9K4.8710$WF.474163@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:24:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.135 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955851844 12.72.205.135 (Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:24:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:24:04 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24215 Did the 2 swarms you speak of definitely come from different hives? My guess is no and the first large swarm was the prime swarm and the second of 2 handfuls was an afterswarm from the same colony. Other possibility is that you missed the prime swarm from the strong colony. Either way, it sounds like you have an afterswarm with a virgin queen. Not at all unusual. A couple of years ago I had 6 swarms within 14 days from 1 colony. It was like the hive was hemorrhaging bees. I hived the prime swarm to make a new colony and united the 5 afterswarms (sans queen) via newspaper. Turned out to be a tremendous producer. A week to 10 days is when a virgin will normally take her first mating flight so a week and a half with no eggs is consistent with a virgin queen. If the queen were able to lay, comb would have been drawn immediately (although slowly since there aren't that many bees). If you want the additional hive, just let them be for a couple of weeks then check for open brood. Since it is so small, you should then give then a couple frames of brood (with clinging bees) to boost them. Personally, I would destroy the queen and shake the bees out of the shallow. Other clues to the queens mating status are her size and the bees behavior towards her. Virgins will be very petite. This is why placing a queen excluder between the bottom board and brood nest is not effective in preventing swarms. A virgin will squeeze right through. Bees are very indifferent to an unmated queen and do not surround and attend to her as they would a mated and laying queen. This is probably what you were seeing when she did not "run and hide" (although this is not a trait of all queens. I have some that go on laying as I am examining the frame. They are great one to take to school in an observation hive). My final advice is that ultimately you will want to destroy and re-queen any swarm and any parent colony as swarming tendency is somewhat a genetic trait and can be reduced through breeding. Since you are in AL I doubt that you use Carniolans but if you do you may want to stick with Italians or another race more suited to your climate. Carniolans winter small, build up rapidly, swarm readily and are well suited for climates that have a short flow such as the northeast US. They also shut down very early for winter. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Rodney Isom" wrote in message news:LZ4K4.6589$UX4.13251006@news-east.usenetserver.com... > Hi guys, > > I'm a second year beekeeper & I had two hives that made it thru the winter > quite well. Due to some personal/family/health matters, I was not able to > get supers on those two hives in time to keep them from swarming. The > weaker of the two produced a large swarm, which I captured without incident > (so far). The stronger one produced a swarm a little bigger than a > double-handful which I found hanging about six inches away from the hive > entrance. I captured this swarm in a shallow super (only thing I had at the > time) and put them on top of one of my existing hive for the time being. > This was about a week and a half ago. A few days later, I inspected them & > they were still there, queen & all, but didn't seem to have any comb drawn. > I moved the hive to my back yard (other hives are about 5 miles away) so I > could watch and nurse them along. I've been feeding sugar water & they've > been taking it. > > I inspected them today, since it was kinda warm and a lot of bees were > coming & going. They have drawn out probably about 3/4 of a shallow frame > far enough to lay eggs in (in my estimation), but there were no eggs that I > could see. The queen was there, but she didn't seem to try to run & hide > like they usually do. I put the hive back together & was adjusting the > entrance reducer, when I'm almost sure I saw the queen come out & fly away!! > Now, it's my understanding that the old queen leaves with the swarm, so she > should have no reason to leave the hive to mate or anything else. Did my > queen just leave me? Since they've been hived for so long with no eggs, was > she probably kaput anyhow (she's less than a year old)? What should I do > with these bees? Requeen? Is it too late? Any theories about what > happened or what I should do would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rodney > > ****************** > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL > rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net > (remove the obvious part to reply) > > Article 24216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <955768166.13179@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <955834422.967394@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 37 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:44:46 EDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:47:47 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24216 Is this assertion, that wild hives are infested with mites, confirmed by any actual studies of long-established wild hives? I only know the location of one long-established wild hive. It is in one of the Indian Canyons in Palm Springs, California. The colony is located inside a giant granite rock outcropping and the hive has been there as long as anyone can remember, but no one I know of has ever studied the hive for mites. Also, I have heard rumours for several years of a "bee tree" out in Aguanga, California in the foothills south of Hemet, but I haven't seen it yet. An orthopedic surgeon with a long endoscope could tell us if the mites are in there, but I doubt that they are and you can't assume that these old-time hives are infested. How could a hive live for decades if it was actually infested with those demon mites? I'm sure in your outback areas down there you must have some long-standing wild hives? Was ist der Geschicht? Also, how many swarms get to actually find someplace to live out in the wild anymore? They are always being snatched up and stuffed into Langstroth hives by our fellow beekeepers. And another thing - at Venice Beach, California where everyone is supposed to be oh-so-hip, the hipsters all panicked and foamed to death a mild tempered swarm last month, and no-one even checked the poor dead soapy hymenopteras for mites. You would have thought that the Russians had landed the way the beach-goers ran from that swarm at Venice Beach. P.S. The demonic mite is an analog bitch, not a genetic one. Let's pick them off our bees one by one. In article <955834422.967394@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, contact@pageset.co.nz says... > why > is it that the feral hives are also being infested and killed off by the > Varroa mite? > Article 24217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fleeing queen?? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 2000 19:06:51 GMT References: <8v9K4.8710$WF.474163@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000416150651.05842.00001967@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24217 From: "George Styer" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >My final advice is that ultimately you will want to destroy and re-queen any >swarm and any parent colony as swarming tendency is somewhat a genetic trait Shucks, George, you were doing great until this last line... I was nodding YES all along, then stopped and nodded NO. Why risk an established, fat, well-fed laying queen that has been raised by a full strength colony, for a gamble with a queen that *might* be of somewhat better genetics, but most likely isn't quite as well fed, and may not be accepted anyway. No sir! I LOVE swarm queens. I've seen plenty enough weak stock in the last few years; bees that are healthy and strong enough to swarm are the kind of bees I want. Only if the swarm queen is obviously poorly mated or otherwise not doing her job would I requeen.... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what's the most aromatic honey? Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:01:36 -0700 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 00-a0-24-2e-af-6f.bconnected.net Message-ID: <38fa1bd0$1_1@news.vphos.net> X-Trace: 16 Apr 2000 13:00:16 -0800, 00-a0-24-2e-af-6f.bconnected.net X-Authenticated-User: pcollins@axion.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prairie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!142.77.1.188!news.uunet.ca!news1.van.metronet.ca!binaries.vphos.net!news.vphos.net!00-a0-24-2e-af-6f.bconnected.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24218 I am going to try honey as bottling primer for a batch of beer I am brewing. I was advised to use the most aromatic honey. We have a good gourmet store here that has many different kinds. What should I look for? If I'm not giving you enough to go on, I will go to the store and write down all the kinds they have, and then list them here. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. I am also supposed to stay away from pasteurized honey, by the way. -- Peter C Article 24219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping swarms from absconding Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:03:47 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955915505 nnrp-08:16427 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24219 In article <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net>, Matthew writes >(after a friend had a bit of trouble with an absconding swarm, I'm >forwarding the contents here to help others keep their swarms hived:) >-------------------------------------------------- >If you're having trouble with absconding swarms, place a queen >excluder between the first hive body and landing board. If the queen >stays, the swarm stays. I've had queens sqeeze through bends in >excluders and cracks in remaining hive bodies so you need to >check the hive thoroughly. Remove the excluder once you see evidence >of the queen laying (eggs; or workers with pollen entering the hive). At least in our area this would NOT be a good idea. Most swarms we get that are reluctant to accept the prime real estate offered have virgin queens, often still more than one, and they simply have not yet sorted themselves out. Absconding with mated queens does happen, but very rarely. So a queen excluder is only going to get you an unmated queen in such a swarm and if she lays it will be as a drone layer. Unless we are quite certain the swarm has a mated queen we always add a bar or two of young larvae, and hive it last thing in the evening. You could also make it chew its way out through newspaper, and it can then have had time to accustom itself to its new surroundings, and probably more importantly, will have begun to nurse the brood. Murray McGregor -- Murray McGregor Article 24220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:39:46 +0100 Message-ID: <+c6e9CACch+4Ew$A@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <+k6ezqAMW594Ewkd@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955915942 nnrp-01:10704 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24220 In article , Barry Metz writes >The use of unlicensed chemicals or medications in agriculture is something >that should be discouraged and actively prosecuted. >Is apistan as safe as DDT, Endosulfan, Dieldrin etc etc, all have been >approved but ain't anymore It is approved in most countries. It has been studied with all that knowledge behind us. As far as I am concerned it is a temporary solution as better ones are coming into use. The issue I raised in the thread was about governments and leaders of beekeeping *not listening* to others with a whole lot more experience and *potentially* going down a very damaging and senseless route. It was also about being appropriately discriminating. I object to quite a lot that is going on and don't support a herd mentality. In our case, the UK eventually agreed to license it having agreed to a very similar chemical which was marketed more expensively. -- James Kilty Article 24221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fleeing queen?? Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:06:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955915943 nnrp-01:10704 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24221 In article , Rodney Isom writes >I inspected them today, since it was kinda warm and a lot of bees were >coming & going. They have drawn out probably about 3/4 of a shallow frame >far enough to lay eggs in (in my estimation), but there were no eggs that I >could see. The queen was there, but she didn't seem to try to run & hide >like they usually do. I put the hive back together & was adjusting the >entrance reducer, when I'm almost sure I saw the queen come out & fly away!! >Now, it's my understanding that the old queen leaves with the swarm, so she >should have no reason to leave the hive to mate or anything else. Did my >queen just leave me? Try again next day. If it was a cast or second swarm with a virgin, she has been off to mate. If she's there when you look, that might confirm the hypothesis. Then wait a week and hopefully you'll see eggs. The size of the swarm is not promising. It will take a while to build up without additional bees. But, the world record for honey is held by a tiny cast that built up rather well! -- James Kilty Article 24222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:10:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> <955685139.28711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <+k6ezqAMW594Ewkd@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955915944 nnrp-01:10704 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24222 In article <+k6ezqAMW594Ewkd@kilty.demon.co.uk>, James Kilty writes >You can sample 100 bees in some way I have forgotten: something like >freeze-kill them and then do something which separates off the varroa >and count them and then extrapolate. Look out http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ and find a page on using powdered sugar to detect varroa mites. It doesn't kill bees like the ether test I advocated. -- James Kilty Article 24223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fleeing queen?? Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:29:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <955835221.936740@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955917182 nnrp-07:25157 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24223 In article , Andy Wooten writes >I believe if I wanted to get them going a frame or 2 of brood out of another >hive would help and be like insurance. Only if there are enough bees to cover it. A frame with emergent bees would be best covered by young bees. -- James Kilty Article 24224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <955768166.13179@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <955834422.967394@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955917174 nnrp-07:25157 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24224 In article , Peter Amschel writes >How could a hive >live for decades if it was actually infested with those demon >mites? There are many examples of wild colonies which die out due to varroa infestation to be replaced by swarms, which then die out in the usual time. And so it goes on. I call it "vacant possession". Our colonies here in West Cornwall seem to be swarming a lot more than they did before varroa and there are many fewer calls out to deal with colonies in house roofs and similar. I believe this is not just due to the much reduced number of colonies now but also because they find the "vacant possession" in the genuine wild. The general public will tell you a wild colony has lived for a long time or seems to have got busy again because they haven't been looking for these details and no endoscopes have been used! -- James Kilty Article 24225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No eggs Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:03:40 -0500 Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.69 Message-ID: <38fa298d_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 16 Apr 2000 16:58:53 -0400, 208.24.176.69 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.69 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24225 I only have one hive. Its a double but I can get a queen tomorrow. I was going to split it this week. It was started by a package 2 years ago and requeened with a buckfast. I inspected the hive last weekend. Its a double that had one super partially filled with honey and brood and drone brood and pollen. The brood boxes were filled with brood, larvae eggs honey and pollen. I also found an opened supersudure cell in the middle of one frame in the brood box and a swarm cell on the bottom of one frame. I added a super with foundation and a queen excluder between the supers and brood. I kept a look out for a swarm everyday this week. I didn't see one. Today I opened the boxes and found emerging bees in the super some drones, no eggs. In the brood boxes emerging bees some larvae some sealed brood. I also noticed several areas of comb that was drawn out on the middle of the frames and capped like drone cells with the cells around them not fully pulled out. Anyway I found 3 new supercedure cells beside the opened one. The big thing is that where last week there was eggs everywhere I found NONE. Most of the empty cells were filled with honey on the brood boxes. I didn't see the queen but didn't look through every frame as they were NOT very happy. There seem to be a lot of activity in and out but most of the honey is going in the brood box. I removed the excluder. I need help ASAP as what is the best course.There are several possibilities, any advice would be appreciated. Such as, should I give them another week ? However by then I all the brood will be hatched. Should I requeen? Thank you Larry Article 24226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38fa298d_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: No eggs Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:06:04 -0500 Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.95 Message-ID: <38fa2a1c$1_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 16 Apr 2000 17:01:16 -0400, 208.24.176.95 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.95 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24226 One other thing, there are NO other beekeepers within 20 miles of me that I can find or anybody knows about. "Larry W" wrote in message news:38fa298d_1@news.vic.com... > I only have one hive. Its a double but I can get a queen tomorrow. I was > going to split it this week. It was started by a package 2 years ago and > requeened with a buckfast. > I inspected the hive last weekend. Its a double that had one super > partially filled with honey and brood and drone brood and pollen. The brood > boxes were filled with brood, larvae eggs honey and pollen. I also found an > opened supersudure cell in the middle of one frame in the brood box and a > swarm cell on the bottom of one frame. I added a super with foundation and a > queen excluder between the supers and brood. I kept a look out for a swarm > everyday this week. I didn't see one. > Today I opened the boxes and found emerging bees in the super some > drones, no eggs. In the brood boxes emerging bees some larvae some sealed > brood. I also noticed several areas of comb that was drawn out on the middle > of the frames and capped like drone cells with the cells around them not > fully pulled out. Anyway I found 3 new supercedure cells beside the opened > one. The big thing is that where last week there was eggs everywhere I found > NONE. Most of the empty cells were filled with honey on the brood boxes. I > didn't see the queen but didn't look through every frame as they were NOT > very happy. There seem to be a lot of activity in and out but most of the > honey is going in the brood box. I removed the excluder. > > I need help ASAP as what is the best course.There are several > possibilities, any advice would be appreciated. Such as, should I give them > another week ? However by then I all the brood will be hatched. Should I > requeen? > > Thank you > > Larry > > Article 24227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8v9K4.8710$WF.474163@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <20000416150651.05842.00001967@ng-fl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Fleeing queen?? Lines: 64 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:37:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955921076 12.72.205.183 (Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:37:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:37:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24227 Jeez Dave, you caught my omission! I should have qualified my recommendation. It was made for a 2nd year hobbyist that may be having trouble controlling swarming. Also, this was not a "fat, well-fed laying queen" as far as I could tell from the post. You can't get a decent fee for pollination if you don't have early build up and solid brood (well, most years. Almond growers in CA were so desperate that they were paying top dollar for NUCS this year). A hobbyist with a colony in an urban area as strong as those you require could quickly have swarms running through the neighborhood like a freight train. So I still think it was a sound recommendation. That said, I have to agree with you. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I rarely buy queens and it is usually only to introduce some genetic variation periodically. For the most part, I just let the bees sort things out for themselves. When I re-queen, I use my stock. I had a large swarm that moved into some unoccupied equipment last week. I put a green dot on the queen and I have no intention at this point to replace the her, but the burden of proof is upon her. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Dave Green" wrote in message news:20000416150651.05842.00001967@ng-fl1.aol.com... > From: "George Styer" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > >My final advice is that ultimately you will want to destroy and re-queen any > >swarm and any parent colony as swarming tendency is somewhat a genetic trait > > Shucks, George, you were doing great until this last line... I was nodding > YES all along, then stopped and nodded NO. > > Why risk an established, fat, well-fed laying queen that has been raised by > a full strength colony, for a gamble with a queen that *might* be of somewhat > better genetics, but most likely isn't quite as well fed, and may not be > accepted anyway. > > No sir! I LOVE swarm queens. I've seen plenty enough weak stock in the > last few years; bees that are healthy and strong enough to swarm are the kind > of bees I want. > > Only if the swarm queen is obviously poorly mated or otherwise not doing her > job would I requeen.... > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what's the most aromatic honey? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 2000 21:41:51 GMT References: <38fa1bd0$1_1@news.vphos.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000416174151.08124.00001111@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24228 >I was advised to use the most aromatic honey. We have a good gourmet store >here that has many different kinds. What should I look for? Look for a local beekeeper they are not hard to find, Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No eggs Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 2000 21:48:28 GMT References: <38fa2a1c$1_1@news.vic.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000416174828.09218.00000598@nso-fe.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24229 In article <38fa2a1c$1_1@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" writes: > >One other thing, there are NO other beekeepers within 20 miles of me that I >can find or anybody knows about. > Post a few signs on the well traveled roads nearby, Wanted, Local Honey, and your tele number. You will be surprised. bob Article 24230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38fa298d_1@news.vic.com> <38fa2a1c$1_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: No eggs Lines: 75 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:51:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955921880 12.72.205.183 (Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:51:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:51:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24230 Larry, Normally I would say let them be to sort things out for themselves, but with Buckfasts and only 1 hive your options are limited. You will want NOTHING to do with the supercedure daughters of that Buckfast. If you think they are pissy now, just wait a couple of months! I think you need to purchase a new queen and destroy ALL the queen cells as well as the queen if she is still present. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Larry W" wrote in message news:38fa2a1c$1_1@news.vic.com... > One other thing, there are NO other beekeepers within 20 miles of me that I > can find or anybody knows about. > > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:38fa298d_1@news.vic.com... > > I only have one hive. Its a double but I can get a queen tomorrow. I > was > > going to split it this week. It was started by a package 2 years ago and > > requeened with a buckfast. > > I inspected the hive last weekend. Its a double that had one super > > partially filled with honey and brood and drone brood and pollen. The > brood > > boxes were filled with brood, larvae eggs honey and pollen. I also found > an > > opened supersudure cell in the middle of one frame in the brood box and a > > swarm cell on the bottom of one frame. I added a super with foundation and > a > > queen excluder between the supers and brood. I kept a look out for a swarm > > everyday this week. I didn't see one. > > Today I opened the boxes and found emerging bees in the super some > > drones, no eggs. In the brood boxes emerging bees some larvae some sealed > > brood. I also noticed several areas of comb that was drawn out on the > middle > > of the frames and capped like drone cells with the cells around them not > > fully pulled out. Anyway I found 3 new supercedure cells beside the opened > > one. The big thing is that where last week there was eggs everywhere I > found > > NONE. Most of the empty cells were filled with honey on the brood boxes. I > > didn't see the queen but didn't look through every frame as they were NOT > > very happy. There seem to be a lot of activity in and out but most of the > > honey is going in the brood box. I removed the excluder. > > > > I need help ASAP as what is the best course.There are several > > possibilities, any advice would be appreciated. Such as, should I give > them > > another week ? However by then I all the brood will be hatched. Should I > > requeen? > > > > Thank you > > > > Larry > > > > > > Article 24231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why Varroa? I Treated! Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:18:11 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38fa2dda.79826896@news1.radix.net> References: <38f7b395.135726156@news1.radix.net> <8d8j5v$rjo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24231 On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:12:24 GMT, kamtout@together.net wrote: >Well my 2cents says there a very good chance that varroa killed them. >A good way is to look at the bottom board and sort out the stuff looking >for mites. >I put Apistan in as well and who'da thought they wouldn't work? Did for >the past 5 years! >Until this year anyway. 9 died early Jan or late Dec. I found 4 in March >that had clusters that were the size of my fist,with queens yes. >The varroa mites this year were finally resistant enough to the Apistan >to not put a dent in them. This is why so many state are gaining EPA >approval to use CheckMite... >This fall unfortunately will probably be CheckMite year. just to keep >the mites guessing. >Mike Agreed. Every two years mine get the eucaliptus oil/ thymol treatment. Greg the beekeep Article 24232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Perfect Smoke? Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:13:03 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.40.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 955924995 62.252.40.232 (Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:43:15 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:43:15 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24232 I don't see why we should put up with lousy corrigated cardboard as smoker fuel. It burns too hot and stings when it gets in your eyes. In this day and age there must be better options. Rotton wood is ok if you can keep it going I here donkey dung is good for calming the bees, unsure about the aroma for the beekeeper though. Damp grass smells awful. Today I stoked up my smoker with Cypress (conifer) leaves which fell last year, I then threw in a sprig or two of Thyme. Fantastic. A smoke that burns cool, doesn't sting and smells lovely. Too good to be true? I bet it will drive the bees crazy. What are your thoughts. Beekeeping is a creative activity. Join in the pusuit of the perfect smoke. What do you use? Article 24233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:44:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38fa503a.88627089@news1.radix.net> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24233 On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:13:03 +0100, "Steve Watkins" wrote: >I don't see why we should put up with lousy corrigated cardboard as smoker >fuel. It burns too hot and stings when it gets in your eyes. In this day >and age there must be better options. >Rotton wood is ok if you can keep it going >I here donkey dung is good for calming the bees, unsure about the aroma for >the beekeeper though. Damp grass smells awful. Today I stoked up my smoker >with Cypress (conifer) leaves which fell last year, I then threw in a sprig >or two of Thyme. Fantastic. A smoke that burns cool, doesn't sting and >smells lovely. Too good to be true? I bet it will drive the bees crazy. >What are your thoughts. Beekeeping is a creative activity. Join in the >pusuit of the perfect smoke. What do you use? > > > I like holly planer shavings. Greg the beekeep Article 24234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38FA651C.FE60A274@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what's the most aromatic honey? References: <38fa1bd0$1_1@news.vphos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 01:13:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp02.ts3-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:13:41 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24234 I would not recommend honey as a bottling primer. Better is dry malt. Honey will not have enough consistency of fermentible sugars to adequately predict the dose/ bottle. One batch will be flat and the next poppers. Too easy to screw up the last step of a perfect batch. It is not a good idea to use unpasturized honey in a batch without first heating properly to kill wild yeasts as it is preinnoculated with a significant amount of yeast that simply needs dilution to free is from dormancy. That said, find a local beekeeper or association so you can sample for the tastes, aromas you look for. It will vary from year to year. Thom Bradley Peter C wrote: > > I am going to try honey as bottling primer for a batch of beer I am brewing. > I was advised to use the most aromatic honey. We have a good gourmet store > here that has many different kinds. What should I look for? If I'm not > giving you enough to go on, I will go to the store and write down all the > kinds they have, and then list them here. Thanks in advance for any help > you can provide. I am also supposed to stay away from pasteurized honey, by > the way. > > -- > > Peter C Article 24235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Hooper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Code of Conduct (Australia) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:14:02 +1000 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts78.canb.auug.org.au Message-ID: <38fa657a@newshost.pcug.org.au> X-Trace: 17 Apr 2000 11:14:34 +1000, ts78.canb.auug.org.au Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!newshost.pcug.org.au!ts78.canb.auug.org.au Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24235 Could anyone please tell me a URL for the "Apiary Code of Practice" for the State of Victoria (Australia). I would also be very interested in Web addresses for beekeeping code of practice documents for any other Australian states or regions. ________________________________ Paul Hooper phooper@pcug.org.au Canberra, Australia . Article 24236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38FA6728.E660093D@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 01:22:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp02.ts3-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:22:25 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24236 Steve Watkins wrote: > > I don't see why we should put up with lousy corrigated cardboard as smoker > fuel. It burns too hot and stings when it gets in your eyes. In this day > and age there must be better options. > Rotton wood is ok if you can keep it going > I here donkey dung is good for calming the bees, unsure about the aroma for > the beekeeper though. Damp grass smells awful. Today I stoked up my smoker > with Cypress (conifer) leaves which fell last year, I then threw in a sprig > or two of Thyme. Fantastic. A smoke that burns cool, doesn't sting and > smells lovely. Too good to be true? I bet it will drive the bees crazy. > What are your thoughts. Beekeeping is a creative activity. Join in the > pusuit of the perfect smoke. What do you use? Dried grass clippings backed up with burlap or dried pine needles, and twigs, mint, rosemary or laveder cuttings from my garden. Bees don't seem to notice but I do. I am careful not to use mint while nectar gathering is going on. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Article 24237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38FA7854.EEF633E8@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fleeing queen -- She's back! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 92 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:35:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp02.ts3-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:35:42 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24237 If you ever see the queen you are working with fly off. Do not move the colony she is leaving. Go away and give her some time. She will probably return. Most of the very youngest of the bees will swarm with her. Remove as much stress from the colony as possible. Give them some foundation to draw but leave comb for her to start laying in. Give them a pollen/suppliment patty. Give them 1:1 syrup until they stop taking it. These things will make it so that most of the bees do not have to leave unless compelled by nature to do so. Ventilation, room, wax manufacture, forage for nectar, water and pollen. These are the things the swarm wants, give it to them so they don't have to make it for themselves or work around it. Enough will survive to thrive. Thom Chesapeake, VA Rodney Isom wrote: > > I checked this morning & she's still in there. I'm not 100% sure that I > actually saw her leave, but I really think I did. There are still no eggs, > so the afterswarm theory is probably correct. If so, and she mated on > Saturday, how long will it take her to start laying? If she started today, > that would make about 4 1/2 weeks from the time they swarmed until the time > the first new bees started emerging. Would even the younges of the original > bees not already be dead by then? I thought they only lived about 4 or 5 > weeks after emerging. > > Thanks, > Rodney > > Rodney Isom wrote in message > news:LZ4K4.6589$UX4.13251006@news-east.usenetserver.com... > > Hi guys, > > > > I'm a second year beekeeper & I had two hives that made it thru the winter > > quite well. Due to some personal/family/health matters, I was not able to > > get supers on those two hives in time to keep them from swarming. The > > weaker of the two produced a large swarm, which I captured without > incident > > (so far). The stronger one produced a swarm a little bigger than a > > double-handful which I found hanging about six inches away from the hive > > entrance. I captured this swarm in a shallow super (only thing I had at > the > > time) and put them on top of one of my existing hive for the time being. > > This was about a week and a half ago. A few days later, I inspected them > & > > they were still there, queen & all, but didn't seem to have any comb > drawn. > > I moved the hive to my back yard (other hives are about 5 miles away) so I > > could watch and nurse them along. I've been feeding sugar water & they've > > been taking it. > > > > I inspected them today, since it was kinda warm and a lot of bees were > > coming & going. They have drawn out probably about 3/4 of a shallow frame > > far enough to lay eggs in (in my estimation), but there were no eggs that > I > > could see. The queen was there, but she didn't seem to try to run & hide > > like they usually do. I put the hive back together & was adjusting the > > entrance reducer, when I'm almost sure I saw the queen come out & fly > away!! > > Now, it's my understanding that the old queen leaves with the swarm, so > she > > should have no reason to leave the hive to mate or anything else. Did my > > queen just leave me? Since they've been hived for so long with no eggs, > was > > she probably kaput anyhow (she's less than a year old)? What should I do > > with these bees? Requeen? Is it too late? Any theories about what > > happened or what I should do would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Rodney > > > > ****************** > > Rodney Isom > > Arab, AL > > rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net > > (remove the obvious part to reply) > > > > Article 24238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:03:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 76 Message-ID: <8ddria$9ef$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <8d8o5l$6edc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-34.tin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 955937162 9679 62.136.41.34 (17 Apr 2000 02:06:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Apr 2000 02:06:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24238 Bees certainly have been around for at least 150 Million but Varroa and also many of the more virulent viruses have only been known for the last 50 years or so. A basic up to date knowledge of bee biology and current preventative measures is a must for beekeepers these days. My Grandfather had to deal with chalkbrood, my dad with Isle of Wight disease and I am have had to cope with foulbrood and Varroa. I am certainly very glad to have the help of the latest MAFF information as well as the many excellent research documents from universities such as Fraser and Cardiff. Regards Freddie. Wightwick UK busybee wrote in message news:8d8o5l$6edc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > > busybee wrote in message <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > > > >Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> > wrote in message > ><38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net>... > >> > >> > >>busybee wrote: > >>> > >>> doona wrote in message ... > >>> >Hi > >>> >I'm also new beekeeping. The first thing did was go to my Local > Library, > >>> >they had some books on beekeeping, they were old books but not much > has > >>> >changed. > >>> > >>> Not much has changed??????? > >>> Please explain. > >>> > >>> --Busybee > >> > >> Bees have been bees for about 150 million years. In the past 10-20 > >>relatively small changes have occurred in the equipment and in the bees > >>themselves. Changes have occurred in a few very important topics dealing > >>with pests and that is about it. > >> > >>Thom > > > > > >For basic information, old books and publications may suffice, but if you > >were really going to get into beekeeping as a hobby or a business, I surely > >would not rely on outdated material. IMO, beekeeping practices have > changed > >tremendously! My husband comments often how different the way things are > >when comparing HIS way vs. HIS FATHER'S or even HIS GRANDFATHERS way and > >most definately HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHERS way. Yes, basically, bees have been > >bees for millions of years and that is about it...the original poster asked > >about "beekeeping". > > > >--Busybee > > > > > Added thought...heck, our (personal) business of keeping bees has changed > dramatically even in the past 2-5 years...(hahahaha)!!!! > > --Busybee > > > > > > > > Article 24239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fleeing queen -- She's back! Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:58:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24239 I checked this morning & she's still in there. I'm not 100% sure that I actually saw her leave, but I really think I did. There are still no eggs, so the afterswarm theory is probably correct. If so, and she mated on Saturday, how long will it take her to start laying? If she started today, that would make about 4 1/2 weeks from the time they swarmed until the time the first new bees started emerging. Would even the younges of the original bees not already be dead by then? I thought they only lived about 4 or 5 weeks after emerging. Thanks, Rodney Rodney Isom wrote in message news:LZ4K4.6589$UX4.13251006@news-east.usenetserver.com... > Hi guys, > > I'm a second year beekeeper & I had two hives that made it thru the winter > quite well. Due to some personal/family/health matters, I was not able to > get supers on those two hives in time to keep them from swarming. The > weaker of the two produced a large swarm, which I captured without incident > (so far). The stronger one produced a swarm a little bigger than a > double-handful which I found hanging about six inches away from the hive > entrance. I captured this swarm in a shallow super (only thing I had at the > time) and put them on top of one of my existing hive for the time being. > This was about a week and a half ago. A few days later, I inspected them & > they were still there, queen & all, but didn't seem to have any comb drawn. > I moved the hive to my back yard (other hives are about 5 miles away) so I > could watch and nurse them along. I've been feeding sugar water & they've > been taking it. > > I inspected them today, since it was kinda warm and a lot of bees were > coming & going. They have drawn out probably about 3/4 of a shallow frame > far enough to lay eggs in (in my estimation), but there were no eggs that I > could see. The queen was there, but she didn't seem to try to run & hide > like they usually do. I put the hive back together & was adjusting the > entrance reducer, when I'm almost sure I saw the queen come out & fly away!! > Now, it's my understanding that the old queen leaves with the swarm, so she > should have no reason to leave the hive to mate or anything else. Did my > queen just leave me? Since they've been hived for so long with no eggs, was > she probably kaput anyhow (she's less than a year old)? What should I do > with these bees? Requeen? Is it too late? Any theories about what > happened or what I should do would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rodney > > ****************** > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL > rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net > (remove the obvious part to reply) > > Article 24240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fruit tree spray Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 2000 03:58:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000416235835.08112.00000859@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24240 The bees have done their job and pollinated the fruit trees. Now, what is safe to spray the trees with that won't harm the bees? The hives are a stone throw away. Tim W. Article 24241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Code of Conduct (Australia) Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 2000 02:35:37 GMT References: <38fa657a@newshost.pcug.org.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000416223537.10844.00000793@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24241 >Could anyone please tell me a URL for the "Apiary Code of Practice" for the >State of Victoria (Australia). I would also be very interested in Web >addresses for beekeeping code of practice documents for any other Australian >states or regions. Here's the one for Urban Beekeeping in Queensland: http://www.honeybee.com.au/cop/ Theres also some tips on suburban beekeeping at: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No eggs Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 2000 02:31:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000416223158.10844.00000792@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24242 >Normally I would say let them be to sort things out for themselves, but with >Buckfasts and only 1 hive your options are limited. You will want NOTHING to >do with the supercedure daughters of that Buckfast. If you think they are >pissy now, just wait a couple of months! I think you need to purchase a new >queen and destroy ALL the queen cells as well as the queen if she is still >present. From the description, it sounds like they blew off an unobserved swarm. I've had daughters, granddaughters, and great granddaughters of Buckfast and not observed the surly nature you describe, though I've heard others also claim this. At any rate, there's a high likelihood that there's a virgin queen running around in there, and they are often very hard to find. The bees are snotty because there are no young bees anymore, pretty common with queenless hives. The best solution is not to give them a queen (which they won't accept), but a couple frames of brood with some eggs. This is why I always recommend that beginners start with two hives. This give some young bees to keep the hive's disposition good, and a test to see if they truly are queenless or have an unmated queen in preparation. If they draw cells, something has happened to the virgin. Larry, you really need to find another beekeeper, if only to buy or swap to obtain a frame or two of brood. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 2000 13:59:45 GMT References: <38F7F6BB.8B8BAF9D@visi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000417095945.20588.00001855@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24243 Thom writes: <> I am reading Snelgrove's book on swarming right now. Snelgrove developed many of his techniques in the early 1930s. Reading him, I get a sense of what it may have been like to keep bees in a different time before all the plagues: "Most beekeepers of today have little difficulty in managing bees successfully during ten months of the year but when the swarming months come and they are anticipating a good yield of honey as the reward of their labour and care, they are dismayed and often reduced to a state of despair by the frequent disappearance of swarms from their best stocks." Snelgrove reminds me that there is still—behind the whole issue of managing pests and pesticides—the very difficult and frustrating task of mastering swarming. Article 24244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HIve scale instability NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 2000 14:41:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000417104106.20588.00001858@ng-fy1.aol.com> Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24244 I am putting out new scale hives this season that I purchased from Maxant. Problem is, the hives wobble and sway on the springs. There are four metal tongs that stick up that are supposed to hold the hive and prevent this type of movement. They don't touch the sides of the hive and now that the hives are actually on the scales, it's not practical to bend them in. I've improvised by using shims between the tongs and the sides of the hives. Anybody out there own this type of scale? Any recommendations? Article 24245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000416235835.08112.00000859@ng-fn1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Fruit tree spray Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:25:53 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 955970710 203.37.7.90 (Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:25:10 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:25:10 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:25:10 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24245 Not knowing what you want to spray against I cant be specific but as a general rule use a non residual insecticide and spray late in the day when the bees have stopped foraging. Timmdwill wrote in message news:20000416235835.08112.00000859@ng-fn1.aol.com... > The bees have done their job and pollinated the fruit trees. Now, what is safe > to spray the trees with that won't harm the bees? The hives are a stone throw > away. > > Tim W. Article 24246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail From: "David Moncrieff" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38fa657a@newshost.pcug.org.au> Subject: Re: Beekeeping Code of Conduct (Australia) Lines: 16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slmlb7p19.ozemail.com.au X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 955974183 210.84.130.147 (Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:23:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:23:03 EST Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:22:36 +1000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24246 Paul, Have not been able to find a URL but I have a copy. The " Apiary Code of Practice" was published in May 1997. The ISBN 0 7306 8685 X. It was available from the Victorian Department of Infrastructure. It is a 14 page booklet. Do you need a copy? Cheers Docbee, Upwey, Vic. Aust. Paul Hooper wrote in message <38fa657a@newshost.pcug.org.au>... >Could anyone please tell me a URL for the "Apiary Code of Practice" for the >State of Victoria (Australia). I would also be very interested in Web >addresses for beekeeping code of practice documents for any other Australian >states or regions. >________________________________ Article 24247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: karynp@aol.com (KarynP) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggies for Feeding Bees Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Apr 2000 20:16:28 GMT References: <20000418000418.18651.00004828@ng-cg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000418161628.14293.00001995@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24247 Thanks! Just what I was looking for. Karyn Plank Article 24248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package without apistan Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 2000 14:18:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000417101852.20588.00001857@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24248 Recently received a package from a new supplier that I haven't purchased bees from before (York). My previous supplier shipped packages with an Apistan strip. York doesn't apparently. Do I want to treat them now that thye have been installed? Also, there were what seemed to me a very high number of drones in the shipment. Would that mitigate on the decision to treat or not? Article 24249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:15:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8dio4q$btl$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <8d8o5l$6edc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <8ddria$9ef$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-209.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956097498 12213 62.136.18.209 (18 Apr 2000 22:38:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:38:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24249 Freddie Cooke wrote in message news:8ddria$9ef$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > A basic up to date knowledge of bee biology and current preventative > measures is a must for beekeepers these days. ----------------------------- Very true - but it is still fascinating to read the old books (and try to trace back the origin of some of the myths that have been copied over the years). Read the modern, correct (?) version first to gain the knowledge that you will need - then read the old ones for pleasure. Article 24250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fleeing queen -- She's back! Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:11:14 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 93 Message-ID: <8dio45$btl$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-209.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956097477 12213 62.136.18.209 (18 Apr 2000 22:37:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:37:57 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24250 Rodney Isom wrote in message news:sfkrrs59ivv14@corp.supernews.com... If so, and she mated on > Saturday, how long will it take her to start laying? Varies - and often depends on colony size; in small nucs queens often start laying in a few days, in large colonies it may take a couple of weeks. Give it time and do not tear the hve apart every day to have a look! If no eggs in 18 days then I would write that queen off and unite what is left of the colony to a queenright one. If she started today, > that would make about 4 1/2 weeks from the time they swarmed until the time > the first new bees started emerging. Would even the younges of the original > bees not already be dead by then? I thought they only lived about 4 or 5 > weeks after emerging. The bees will live longer because they are not feeding brood - but the population will drop dramatically and then start to climb. Don't expect much honey! > > Thanks, > Rodney > > Rodney Isom wrote in message > news:LZ4K4.6589$UX4.13251006@news-east.usenetserver.com... > > Hi guys, > > > > I'm a second year beekeeper & I had two hives that made it thru the winter > > quite well. Due to some personal/family/health matters, I was not able to > > get supers on those two hives in time to keep them from swarming. The > > weaker of the two produced a large swarm, which I captured without > incident > > (so far). The stronger one produced a swarm a little bigger than a > > double-handful which I found hanging about six inches away from the hive > > entrance. I captured this swarm in a shallow super (only thing I had at > the > > time) and put them on top of one of my existing hive for the time being. > > This was about a week and a half ago. A few days later, I inspected them > & > > they were still there, queen & all, but didn't seem to have any comb > drawn. > > I moved the hive to my back yard (other hives are about 5 miles away) so I > > could watch and nurse them along. I've been feeding sugar water & they've > > been taking it. > > > > I inspected them today, since it was kinda warm and a lot of bees were > > coming & going. They have drawn out probably about 3/4 of a shallow frame > > far enough to lay eggs in (in my estimation), but there were no eggs that > I > > could see. The queen was there, but she didn't seem to try to run & hide > > like they usually do. I put the hive back together & was adjusting the > > entrance reducer, when I'm almost sure I saw the queen come out & fly > away!! > > Now, it's my understanding that the old queen leaves with the swarm, so > she > > should have no reason to leave the hive to mate or anything else. Did my > > queen just leave me? Since they've been hived for so long with no eggs, > was > > she probably kaput anyhow (she's less than a year old)? What should I do > > with these bees? Requeen? Is it too late? Any theories about what > > happened or what I should do would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Rodney > > > > ****************** > > Rodney Isom > > Arab, AL > > rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net > > (remove the obvious part to reply) > > > > > > Article 24251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No eggs Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:28:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8dio4r$btl$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38fa298d_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-209.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956097499 12213 62.136.18.209 (18 Apr 2000 22:38:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:38:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24251 Larry W wrote in message news:38fa298d_1@news.vic.com... I also found an > opened supersudure cell in the middle of one frame in the brood box and a > swarm cell on the bottom of one frame Anyway I found 3 new supercedure cells beside the opened > one. ------------------------------ I think that your 'supersedure' cells are really swarm cells and the open one indicates that the prime swarm probably left at least a week previously. You now need to prevent casts (you may have lost one already) so you need to remove ALL queen cells - but do it carefully as there may still be one or two with queens in them and you could use one to make up a small mating nuc (for insurance - you do not want a queenless hive, whether you like Buckfast crosses or not). If all the queen cells have hatched then it will be best to let the bees sort things out - but do keep an eye out for a very large mating swarm - if there is no brood left when the virgin flies to mate there is a strong possibility that the bees will go with her (and may not return). Article 24252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:33:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8dio4u$btl$4@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <20000417175529.26597.00000684@ng-cf1.aol.com> <38fbe4a2_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-209.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956097502 12213 62.136.18.209 (18 Apr 2000 22:38:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:38:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24252 John Caldeira wrote in message news:filofso2b5c3u2ekm8ief545palm7g9qlc@4ax.com... > "Larry W" wrote: > >There are a LOT of cow patties around here. Do you suppose they would be as > >good? Smell? > > Dried, weathered cow or horse dung works great as smoker fuel You can puff it over your honey if you like... Article 24253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:36:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-209.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956097504 12213 62.136.18.209 (18 Apr 2000 22:38:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2000 22:38:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24253 Steve Watkins wrote in message news:7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... > Rotton wood is ok if you can keep it going > What do you use? > ----------------------------------------- Warwickshire is covered with the stumps of dead elms from Dutch Elm disease. The wood is now very porous (like balsa) and can be lit with a match; it burns long, slow and cool with a pleasant smell. Wood must be well rotted - and dry. > Article 24254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38fa298d_1@news.vic.com> <8dio4r$btl$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: No eggs Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:23:00 -0500 Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.62 Message-ID: <38fced6a_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 18 Apr 2000 19:19:06 -0400, 208.24.176.62 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.62 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24254 Thanks for the information. I got a new queen yesterday and pulled 4 frames out of the hive and put them in a Nuc about 20 feet away, later that afternoon I put in the a new queen cage. I put a queen excluder between the hive bodies in the old hive and checked for swarm cells. What I found was on the Bottom of one frame in the main box was an opened swarm cell. In the top box were now 4 supercedure cells one appeared open which is what I said originally but when I scraped it had an almost developed queen in. It just had a hole in the bottom that looked like it had hatched but they resealed it a little inside. I scrapped all the swarm cells. Thursday I will rejoin the nuc with the main hive. With newspaper and hopefully I will be back in business. I also bought a nuc 4 frames with bees and queen just in case. I suppose I did have a swarm during the week. Having one hive is much more difficult than 2 or more. I was going to split that hive last week when I found the lack of eggs. Had I did it 2 weeks ago I probley would have been OK. Larry "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8dio4r$btl$3@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Larry W wrote in message > news:38fa298d_1@news.vic.com... > I also found an > > opened supersudure cell in the middle of one frame in the brood box and a > > swarm cell on the bottom of one frame > > Anyway I found 3 new supercedure cells beside the opened > > one. > ------------------------------ > > I think that your 'supersedure' cells are really swarm cells and the open > one indicates that the prime swarm probably left at least a week previously. > > You now need to prevent casts (you may have lost one already) so you need to > remove ALL queen cells - but do it carefully as there may still be one or > two with queens in them and you could use one to make up a small mating nuc > (for insurance - you do not want a queenless hive, whether you like Buckfast > crosses or not). > > If all the queen cells have hatched then it will be best to let the bees > sort things out - but do keep an eye out for a very large mating swarm - if > there is no brood left when the virgin flies to mate there is a strong > possibility that the bees will go with her (and may not return). > > Article 24255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <20000417175529.26597.00000684@ng-cf1.aol.com> <38fbe4a2_1@news.vic.com> <38fc873a.2030577@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:23:56 -0500 Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.62 Message-ID: <38fceda2_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 18 Apr 2000 19:20:02 -0400, 208.24.176.62 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.62 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24255 Greg: Voice of experience? wrote in message news:38fc873a.2030577@news1.radix.net... > On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:33:42 -0500, "Larry W" > wrote: > > >There are a LOT of cow patties around here. Do you suppose they would be as > >good? Smell? > > > >Thanks > > > >Larry > > > If you chew on a few of the little mushrooms that grow around them you > won't care what it smells like! > > Greg the beekeep > Article 24256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Need a swarm Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:22:20 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38FCEE2B.99F5D3D2@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <38F24106.37BDCE44@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: Matthew Pollard Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24256 Call up Dr. W. Steve Sheppard over at WSU-Pullman and ask him. - je Matthew Pollard wrote: > I need a swarm. I live in Moscow ID- south of Spokane WA > -Matthew -- ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 Office: 520-670-6380, ext.110 Fax: 520-670-6493 Geog. location: 32.27495 N 110.9402 W Lab webpages: http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/index.html http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/jephotos.htm Article 24257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: life of a migratory cover Message-ID: <38fd0b24.14997481@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 5 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:31:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 956107900 216.80.168.174 (Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:31:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:31:40 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24257 I am curious as to how long these covers will last? I would paint it of course and it is half the cost of telescoping cover. Is there any draw backs such as inner cover and leaking around the edges? I also would consider putting a piece of tin on top of it later to extend the life. Article 24258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package without apistan Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:14:40 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 35 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust235.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8dfnd3$1mg$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <20000417101852.20588.00001857@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust235.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24258 > Recently received a package from a new supplier that I haven't purchased > bees from before (York). My previous supplier shipped packages with an Apistan > strip. York doesn't apparently. Do I want to treat them now that they have been > installed? It would be simple now to see if there are an varroa. Until the cells are sealed 8.5 days after the queen starts laying, all varroa are necessarily phoretic. At this time you could do a sugar roll, a natural drop, an Apistan drop test, or simply eyeball a frame of bees carefully. No mites, no need to treat. > Also, there were what seemed to me a very high number of drones in the > shipment. Would that mitigate on the decision to treat or not? Can't imagine why. It's curious that there are a lot of drones, how many per 100 workers? allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 2000 21:55:29 GMT References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000417175529.26597.00000684@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24259 I too like dried pine needles, which are abundant here in Georgia. And since we have six horses, I also have used dried horse manure, which works fine and has no foul odor. In fact, the closest odor I can compare it to, particularly on your clothes, is burning marijuana. Todd, Palmetto, GA (Giving away his age because he keeps bees and knows what burning marijuana smells like in clothes.) Article 24260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package without apistan Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 2000 23:25:33 GMT References: <8dfnd3$1mg$1@news.smartworld.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000417192533.24985.00000767@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24260 My package bees had a queen in the package as well as a caged queen hanging. I'll know on the weekend if the extra queen is laying. I was surprised to have even spotted her. Nice pretty golden color as opposed to the dark bees I keep. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: 19 Apr 2000 19:15:17 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.70.85 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24261 On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:36:26 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > >Steve Watkins wrote in message >news:7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... >> Rotton wood is ok if you can keep it going >> What do you use? >> >----------------------------------------- > >Warwickshire is covered with the stumps of dead elms from Dutch Elm disease. >The wood is now very porous (like balsa) and can be lit with a match; it >burns long, slow and cool with a pleasant smell. Wood must be well rotted - >and dry. I use cedar shavings. Seems to work ok and smells good. Another beekeeper I met said he uses cheap pipe tobacco, claims it makes the mite fall right off the bees. Anyone have experience or proof of such? (I'd rather not introduce mites just to see if it works :) -Tim Article 24262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: casfam1@aol.com (Casfam1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dumping pollen Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Apr 2000 05:36:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000418013644.22777.00000576@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24262 I was out feeding my nucs tonite and noticed something odd. Out of fifteen, five have pollen pellets on the landing board. These were three frame nucs started two weeks ago, installed in ten frame boxes with a couple of frames of drawn comb. The balance was new plastic foundation. The weather today was sunny and 70 degrees. We are currently in the middle of a heavy maple flow in Western Oregon. Most had just a few pellets, but two hives had more than 100! What is going on?? I have never noticed this before in past years. I have never started with nucs before. Article 24263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Listening to What is Happening Inside the Hive Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 18 Apr 2000 01:01:05 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000417210105.09369.00000740@ng-ca1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24263 I'm a new beekeeper and and old hunter. To make a long story short, I used some of my hunting gear to listen inside my hives. Today I heard what I expect to bee a queen larvae "piping." Yes, I lost my queen from this hive recently. Long story. My fault. Lesson learned. If you are interested, the equipment used was the "Bionic Ear" made by Silver Creek Industries. Their web page is http://www.silvercreekindustries.com. You can also search for "bionic ear" and find them. Article 24264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fruit tree spray Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Apr 2000 01:55:48 GMT References: <20000416235835.08112.00000859@ng-fn1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000417215548.05826.00002299@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24264 From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) >The bees have done their job and pollinated the fruit trees. Now, what is >safe >to spray the trees with that won't harm the bees? The hives are a stone throw >away. You should be safe, now. If there's no bloom, the bees won't be in the fruit trees. Make sure you don't have blooming clover under the trees (mow it close before you spray, if you do); don't blow spray right into the hive entrances; and don't contaminate the bees' water supply with spilled pesticide. Always read the label. You can get copies of pesticide labels via: http://pollinator.com/pesticide_misuse.htm You can find a flow chart to help think this thru at: http://pollinator.com/cotton/flowchart.htm It's designed for cotton, but it works for any insecticide spraying. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:04:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38fc873a.2030577@news1.radix.net> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <20000417175529.26597.00000684@ng-cf1.aol.com> <38fbe4a2_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p48.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24265 On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:33:42 -0500, "Larry W" wrote: >There are a LOT of cow patties around here. Do you suppose they would be as >good? Smell? > >Thanks > >Larry > If you chew on a few of the little mushrooms that grow around them you won't care what it smells like! Greg the beekeep Article 24266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why Varroa? I Treated! Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:31:25 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <38f7b395.135726156@news1.radix.net> <8d8j5v$rjo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a7.81 X-Server-Date: 20 Apr 2000 02:32:23 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24266 In article <8d8j5v$rjo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kamtout@together.net wrote: > Well my 2cents says there a very good chance that varroa killed them. > A good way is to look at the bottom board and sort out the stuff looking > for mites. That's what we did, and found Varroa mites dead on the bottom board, along with lots of dead bees. That's why we surmised it was an infestation of Varroa that brought them to their knees... :( -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.rt.ru!news.rt.ru!news.donbass.net!hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua!not-for-mail From: "Grigory Psaras" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ðÒÅÄÌÁÇÁÅÍ ÆØÀÞÅÒÓÎÙÊ ËÏÎÔÒÁËÔ ÎÁ ÎÅÂÏÌØÛÉÅ ÐÁÒÔÉÉ ÍÅÄÁ.0629 39-53-55, E-mail Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:02:46 +0300 Organization: Azov Information Company Ltd. 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Newbie that I am, I didn't bookmark it and now the post is gone. Can someone please repost it? Sorry to rehash an old subject. Karyn Article 24269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!nntp.ece.cmu.edu!xxxx1.sei.cmu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trying to catch hive in tree Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:48:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8dm26p$cb2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 20 04:48:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24269 , > "Rodney Isom" wrote: >Any recommendations as to how to get the bees to go into >the hive? > Rodney ********************************************************* Howdy Rodney -- By "empty hive" do you mean just foundation? You might put a couple of frames of open brood with accompanying bees from another hive. This would give a reason for the tree bees to go into your hive. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggies for Feeding Bees Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Apr 2000 04:04:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000418000418.18651.00004828@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24270 http://www.beesource.com/eob/baggie.htm Article 24271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "grizzly bearnolds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:57:32 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 28 Message-ID: <00b101bfaa8d$69ff1a60$e7211c8e@nisgaa.bc.ca> References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000412200621.06405.00000318@nso-fs.aol.com> Reply-To: "grizzly bearnolds" NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-DejaID: _9S5uGRHcNJJgcRteSHRt/0cJO+ykyXV1?= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24271 From: Bob Pursley Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 Subject: Re: chickens and bees (( Sorry about being so late in an answer to this one. Emails from this newsgroup arrive a week late for me, and I only have infrequent internet access to keep more up to date. )) >I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. >Does anyone see a problem with this? We have been trying different spots for our hives during the non-winter months, mainly so that they are a bit out of the general working area since I regularly collide with my bees when working my garden. Last year we put four hives behind the chicken house, and the bees had a pretty good spot with that, not the direct hot sun but still lots of light and warmth. The chickens, goose, and ducks (as well as the dogs, cats, black bears, grizzlies, coyotes etc.) moved freely among the hives and flying bees. Bees and chickens seem to get along just fine. Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA mailto:mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Moye" Subject: Swarm removal from house Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:03:33 -0400 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.25.240.37 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa03 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24272 I have been contacted about a swarm of bees that went into a brick house 15+ feet off of the ground yesterday. Anyone have any suggestions on how to get them out. I had considered mounting a hive outside the hole and using screen wire to funnel them out. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Article 24273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38FB7D4F.7E5C468@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: Drones Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:32:14 -0500 Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.63 Message-ID: <38fbe44d_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 18 Apr 2000 00:27:57 -0400, 208.24.176.63 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!CensurBot.NetScum.Dk!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.63 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24273 I had the same observation last week. Next I found a swarm cell a few days later, then several supercedure cells, 5-6 days later NO eggs. Im in the process of requening. Larry "L.E.G." wrote in message news:38FB7D4F.7E5C468@crosslink.net... > Hello!! > Question For the more experienced... we had a warm day this past week so > I looked inside hives.Everything was normal until the last hive, which > seemed to have more drone brood than others. I would guess maybe 5 to 10 > percent was drone. Is this to far out of the ordinary, or should I > requeen? This hive seems to have no inclination to swarm, but one of the > others did and were caught and hived. These are Buckfast and have been > great. > L.E.G. > Article 24274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <20000417175529.26597.00000684@ng-cf1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:33:42 -0500 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.63 Message-ID: <38fbe4a2_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 18 Apr 2000 00:29:22 -0400, 208.24.176.63 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.63 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24274 There are a LOT of cow patties around here. Do you suppose they would be as good? Smell? Thanks Larry "SPCherub" wrote in message news:20000417175529.26597.00000684@ng-cf1.aol.com... > I too like dried pine needles, which are abundant here in Georgia. And since we > have six horses, I also have used dried horse manure, which works fine and has > no foul odor. In fact, the closest odor I can compare it to, particularly on > your clothes, is burning marijuana. > > Todd, Palmetto, GA > (Giving away his age because he keeps bees and knows what burning marijuana > smells like in clothes.) Article 24275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm removal from house Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:45:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38fc2e47.43751936@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24275 On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:03:33 -0400, "Steve Moye" wrote: >I have been contacted about a swarm of bees that went into a brick house 15+ >feet off of the ground yesterday. Anyone have any suggestions on how to get >them out. I had considered mounting a hive outside the hole and using >screen wire to funnel them out. > >Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Start off with a price of $500 and you probably won't have to worry about how to do it. Greg the beekeep That is not a bad price for the cone method as you will make many trips monitoring the situation. Article 24276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Trying to catch hive in tree Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:30:57 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 956244367 204.244.87.94 (Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:26:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:26:07 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24276 Hi there! I don't have much experience in this matter but I've read that it would help if you would install your hive with some kind of a bottom board opened at both ends, with one end at the exit of the cone so the bees have to pass through the hive to get in and out. Also I believe you wont be able to get them all out and will have to destroy the hidden queen and requeen or get fresh brood. Please correct me if I'm wrong since this seem to be the best way I could figure and swarm season is coming here in BC Knowing a little bit about many things can be dangerous. Normand Article 24277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Message-ID: References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <20000417175529.26597.00000684@ng-cf1.aol.com> <38fbe4a2_1@news.vic.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:39:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 956061572 4.33.104.37 (Tue, 18 Apr 2000 05:39:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 05:39:32 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24277 "Larry W" wrote: >There are a LOT of cow patties around here. Do you suppose they would be as >good? Smell? Dried, weathered cow or horse dung works great as smoker fuel. Plenty of cool, white smoke. It is essentially dried, packed grass. No loose cinders and no unpleasant smell. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggies for Feeding Bees Message-ID: <75mofski806s2letqg598f83n525aguqbu@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:45:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 956061921 4.33.104.37 (Tue, 18 Apr 2000 05:45:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 05:45:21 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24278 "Karyn Plank" wrote: >Someone posted a message that included a link to a web page with pictures of >how zip lock bags were used for feeding bees with sugar syrup. http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/feeding.htm -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trying to catch hive in tree Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:39:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8dngqt$le5$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8dm26p$cb2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-33.meitnerium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956253853 21957 62.136.74.161 (20 Apr 2000 18:04:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2000 18:04:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24279 You need a queen in the hive. If you put in a small nuc then the bees from the tree will join it. Pete wrote in message news:8dm26p$cb2$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > , > > "Rodney Isom" wrote: > >Any recommendations as to how to get the bees to go into > >the hive? > > Rodney > ********************************************************* > > Howdy Rodney -- > > By "empty hive" do you mean just foundation? You might put a couple > of frames of open brood with accompanying bees from another hive. This > would give a reason for the tree bees to go into your hive. > > Pete > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38FB7D4F.7E5C468@crosslink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:08:31 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn01.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 956019590 28477 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24280 Hello!! Question For the more experienced... we had a warm day this past week so I looked inside hives.Everything was normal until the last hive, which seemed to have more drone brood than others. I would guess maybe 5 to 10 percent was drone. Is this to far out of the ordinary, or should I requeen? This hive seems to have no inclination to swarm, but one of the others did and were caught and hived. These are Buckfast and have been great. L.E.G. Article 24281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:30:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8dnt30$tbr$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000412200621.06405.00000318@nso-fs.aol.com> <00b101bfaa8d$69ff1a60$e7211c8e@nisgaa.bc.ca> <38fe9f21_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-129.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956266400 30075 62.136.4.129 (20 Apr 2000 21:33:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2000 21:33:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24281 Do remember that you will have to get equipment and feed up and, with luck, a fair quantity of honey down! Larry W wrote in message news:38fe9f21_1@news.vic.com... > I read an article somewhere that some beekeepers in congested areas put > there hives on the roof so the flight path is away from people and pets. Article 24282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:33:21 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-129.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956266401 30075 62.136.4.129 (20 Apr 2000 21:33:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2000 21:33:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24282 Tim Arheit wrote in message news:8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85... Another beekeeper I met said he uses cheap pipe tobacco, claims > it makes the mite fall right off the bees. Anyone have experience or > proof of such? (I'd rather not introduce mites just to see if it > works :) > > -Tim ----------------------------- Do you want to introduce an insecticide into your hives? (see previous post) And do you want to taint honey with cheap pipe tobacco smoke? Article 24283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa & migratory beekeeping Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:16:07 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8do1lh$u65$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p81.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 956271089 30917 203.96.192.209 (20 Apr 2000 22:51:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2000 22:51:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24283 Greeintgs all Now that Varroa is here in NZ the migratory beekeepers are in a predicament, no hives are to be moved any where in the north island. I heard of one migratory keeper who cleaned all of the honey out of his hives just prior to when the news broke, he had planned to collect up all the hives and winter them over close to where he lives. Now he is not able to move the hives and he has to travel all over the north island feeding his hives across some long distances. I guess there will be others in that same situation. My feeling is that the beekeepers should leave enough winter stocks in the hives anyway ... not cleaning them out so voraciously ... (money talks i guess) I leave lots of honey for the bees over winter so we don't need to feed them and they come up real strong in spring. We are only hobby beekeepers, but there are some very good commercial beekeepers that we know who leave plenty of winter stocks as well, they are recognised as beekeepers of very high standard. It is also my thought that some of our migratory beekeepers might fall away from the industry, especially the ones that are a bit shonky and exploit their bees in quite uncaring ways. Anyway my querey is this, in the countries which have the varroa mite, do overseas beekeepers do migratory beekeeping? Kia ora ra carman Article 24284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fleeing queen -- She's back! Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956140108 nnrp-02:2252 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24284 In article , Rodney Isom writes >I checked this morning & she's still in there. I'm not 100% sure that I >actually saw her leave, but I really think I did. There are still no eggs, >so the afterswarm theory is probably correct. If so, and she mated on >Saturday, how long will it take her to start laying? If she started today, >that would make about 4 1/2 weeks from the time they swarmed until the time >the first new bees started emerging. Would even the younges of the original >bees not already be dead by then? I thought they only lived about 4 or 5 >weeks after emerging. The life of bees depends on whether they have fed young. Once they have fed their full complement of around 140 feeds (enough for about 3 larvae) they go into another phase where they age in the way you expect (but 6 or even more weeks, apart from 6 months wintering, is normal except when they are very hard working in spring. (See Eva Crane's books). They also have a flying mileage. The last bees to be laid keep the ability to feed young until the newly mated queen lays up and they hatch. In normal circumstances, there are enough young bees raring to feed the new generation. Often they flood the cells with brood food! They have had quite a few million years to perfect this strategy. -- James Kilty Article 24285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:39:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <38fd7e5d.48143959@news1.radix.net> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <20000417175529.26597.00000684@ng-cf1.aol.com> <38fbe4a2_1@news.vic.com> <38fc873a.2030577@news1.radix.net> <38fceda2_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24285 On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:23:56 -0500, "Larry W" wrote: >Greg: > > Voice of experience? I just wish I had known about bee smokers back in my pharmaceutical days! Greg the beekeep > > wrote in message >news:38fc873a.2030577@news1.radix.net... >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:33:42 -0500, "Larry W" >> wrote: >> >> >There are a LOT of cow patties around here. Do you suppose they would be >as >> >good? Smell? >> > >> >Thanks >> > >> >Larry >> > >> If you chew on a few of the little mushrooms that grow around them you >> won't care what it smells like! >> >> Greg the beekeep >> > > Article 24286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:02:45 +0200 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.59.207.37 Message-ID: <38fdbc4f_3@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 19 Apr 2000 16:01:51 +0100, 212.59.207.37 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!212.59.207.37 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24286 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ ha incluido en sus última actualización un buscador para encontrar fácilmente cualquier información tanto dentro como fuera de @groWeb. 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Un cordial saludo: Javier Soto Vázquez Article 24287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38fd0b24.14997481@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: life of a migratory cover Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:27:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.22.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956161636 12.72.22.90 (Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:27:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:27:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24287 If constructed properly, they should last. They are subject to a little more stress in prying them off since they are not used with an inner cover. I prefer them for their simplicity and ease of construction. Without the inner cover you have 1 less piece of equipment and lets face it, very few suppliers in the US are putting out a decent inner cover. I make mine out of redwood 1 x 6 and paint them with primer then latex. Turn pink after a while! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:38fd0b24.14997481@news.usit.net... > I am curious as to how long these covers will last? I would paint it > of course and it is half the cost of telescoping cover. Is there any > draw backs such as inner cover and leaking around the edges? I also > would consider putting a piece of tin on top of it later to extend the > life. Article 24288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa & migratory beekeeping Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:55:38 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 50 Message-ID: <8do6mi$577$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8do1lh$u65$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw87.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 956276242 5351 62.188.8.81 (21 Apr 2000 00:17:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2000 00:17:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24288 Hi Carman, Which part of North Is. are you? Varroa and migratory beekeeping: Yes, once the panicky stage is over and the V.j. are everywhere things get normal. I have seen migratory beekeeping big scale in Canada last autumn and it also happens small scale (nearer NZ scale, that is) here in UK. You are just going through an intermediate stage - so get ahead in your thinking and assume the V.j. are here to stay and that they are in every hive, whether it has been tested or treated, or not. That is to say - you can never get rid of them, there are always a few left, and it's a matter of keeping the numbers below the level when bees suffer big time from viruses. It's just a mental gearchange. N.Z. interests me from the point of view that you have a fairly homogeneous stock of bees, derived from a limited selection of genetic material. What are the consequences of this? - The most likely one is that they all suffer just as badly (or as little) as each other and you don't see such variation in reaction to V.j. as elsewhere. Could be bad news on the basis of 'all eggs in one basket'. Conversely, how few introductions of the mite do you have? Are the mites all alike and are they a strain that is already resistant to Apistan, for example? Tell us when you know, please. I can imagine the problems for people like Aretaki Honey, with bees stood still all over the island. At least it's the autumn and things have a chance to sort out before the new season. We think of you but we, some of us, do think that the New Zealanders were just a little bit smug about not having the troubles that the rest of the world has. Like you I leave honey in the hives in autumn - none of my hives has had any sugar syrup for years. It saves a lot of work and kit, which I pay for in less honey, but I'm just lazy, perhaps. (Nudge:- I hope I interpreted your term 'overseas' correctly as meaning everywhere except N.Z.) Martin MK UK Kia Ora ! Carman wrote in message news:8do1lh$u65$1@news.wave.co.nz... (shortened) > Now that Varroa is here in NZ....... > My feeling is that the beekeepers should leave enough winter stocks in the > hives anyway ....... > I leave lots of honey for the bees over winter so we don't need to feed them > and they come up real strong in spring. > Anyway my query is this, in the countries which have the varroa mite, do > overseas beekeepers do migratory beekeeping? > > Kia ora ra > carman > > > Article 24289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:13:51 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 98 Message-ID: <8do6mk$577$3@lure.pipex.net> References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <8d8o5l$6edc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <8ddria$9ef$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw87.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 956276244 5351 62.188.8.81 (21 Apr 2000 00:17:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2000 00:17:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24289 Freddie, What makes you think the viruses were not there before 1950 ? By this reasoning the black death cannot have been due to an infection, but happened by magic. It may well be that the IoW disease you mention, which has never been satisfactorily accounted for, was due to the se undiscovered viruses and/or a vector such as Varroa. Martin MK UK Freddie Cooke wrote in message news:8ddria$9ef$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > Bees certainly have been around for at least 150 Million but Varroa and also > many of the more virulent viruses have only been known for the last 50 years > or so. > > A basic up to date knowledge of bee biology and current preventative > measures is a must for beekeepers these days. > > My Grandfather had to deal with chalkbrood, my dad with Isle of Wight > disease and I am have had to cope with foulbrood and Varroa. > > I am certainly very glad to have the help of the latest MAFF information as > well as the many excellent research documents from universities such as > Fraser and Cardiff. > > Regards Freddie. Wightwick UK > busybee wrote in message > news:8d8o5l$6edc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > > > > busybee wrote in message <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > > > > > >Thom Bradley <"thomremove thisbrad"@visi.net> > wrote in message > > ><38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net>... > > >> > > >> > > >>busybee wrote: > > >>> > > >>> doona wrote in message ... > > >>> >Hi > > >>> >I'm also new beekeeping. The first thing did was go to my Local > > Library, > > >>> >they had some books on beekeeping, they were old books but not much > > has > > >>> >changed. > > >>> > > >>> Not much has changed??????? > > >>> Please explain. > > >>> > > >>> --Busybee > > >> > > >> Bees have been bees for about 150 million years. In the past 10-20 > > >>relatively small changes have occurred in the equipment and in the bees > > >>themselves. Changes have occurred in a few very important topics dealing > > >>with pests and that is about it. > > >> > > >>Thom > > > > > > > > >For basic information, old books and publications may suffice, but if you > > >were really going to get into beekeeping as a hobby or a business, I > surely > > >would not rely on outdated material. IMO, beekeeping practices have > > changed > > >tremendously! My husband comments often how different the way things are > > >when comparing HIS way vs. HIS FATHER'S or even HIS GRANDFATHERS way and > > >most definately HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHERS way. Yes, basically, bees have > been > > >bees for millions of years and that is about it...the original poster > asked > > >about "beekeeping". > > > > > >--Busybee > > > > > > > > > Added thought...heck, our (personal) business of keeping bees has changed > > dramatically even in the past 2-5 years...(hahahaha)!!!! > > > > --Busybee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.238.2.15!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ðÒÅÄÌÁÇÁÅÍ ÆØÀÞÅÒÓÎÙÊ ËÏÎÔÒÁËÔ ÎÁ ÎÅÂÏÌØÛÉÅ ÐÁÒÔÉÉ ÍÅÄÁ.0629 39-53-55, E-mail Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:09:17 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8do6mj$577$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <8dloc2$5u4$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw87.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 956276243 5351 62.188.8.81 (21 Apr 2000 00:17:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2000 00:17:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24290 It's in Russian (try View or Format, Encoding, Cyrillic, KOI8 coding) and it is not off message. It's an offer for contracts selling mixed flower honey (Med tsvetochnii), guaranteed natural i.e. 'organic', with prices per kilo in dollars and in roubles, as far as my Russian goes without fetching the dictionary Martin MK UK Grigory Psaras wrote in message news:8dloc2$5u4$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua... > ïÂßÅËÔ ËÏÎÔÒÁËÔÁ: > íÅÄ Ã×ÅÔÏÞÎÙÊ ÐÏÌÉÆÌÅÒÎÙÊ, ÇÁÒÁÎÔÉÑ ÎÁÔÕÒÁÌØÎÏÓÔÉ. > Ë-×Ï 1000 Ëç > ÓÒÏË ÐÏÓÔÁ×ËÉ 1-10.07.2000 Ç > ÃÅÎÁ 1,1 $ > íÅÄ ÐÏÄÓÏÌÎÅÞÎÙÊ, ÇÁÒÁÎÔÉÑ ÎÁÔÕÒÁÌØÎÏÓÔÉ. > Ë-×Ï 1000 Ëç > ÃÅÎÁ 1,0 $ > õÓÌÏ×ÉÑ ËÏÎÔÒÁËÔÁ- ÐÒÅÄÏÐÌÁÔÁ ÄÏ 10.05.2000 Ç > õÓÌÏ×ÉÑ ÐÏÓÔÁ×ËÉ -ÓÁÍÏ×Ù×ÏÚ × ÔÁÒÕ ÐÏËÕÐÁÔÅÌÑ (50 Ëç) > ÷ÏÚÍÏÖÅÎ ËÏÎÔÒÏÌØ ÐÏËÕÐÁÔÅÌÑ ÚÁ ÔÅÈÎÏÌÏÇÉÅÊ ÎÁ ÌÀÂÏÊ ÓÔÁÄÉÉ ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÓÔ×Á > postmost@donin.com, íÁÒÉÕÐÏÌØ > > Article 24291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa & migratory beekeeping Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Apr 2000 01:29:39 GMT References: <8do1lh$u65$1@news.wave.co.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000420212939.20601.00002631@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24291 From: "Carman" calm@wave.co.nz >My feeling is that the beekeepers should leave enough winter stocks in the >hives anyway ... not cleaning them out so voraciously ... (money talks i >guess) >I leave lots of honey for the bees over winter so we don't need to feed them >and they come up real strong in spring. Have you considered that this may be necessary for commercial beekeepers, especially now that the mite is in your area. I used to leave a super of honey on my bees over the winter. But now I have to treat for varroa in the fall. The directions say to remove all honey supers. I have no place to store several hundred full supers, so I have little choice but to extract them. Now I have found that the bees actually winter better on high-fructose corn syrup than they do on honey. We have plenty of winter pollen here, and a little bit of nectar from wild mustard, so they don't seem to have any nutritional deficiency. I've traded a low value (to me) product for a higher value one, and the bees love it. How could I do any better? At any rate, I'd hate to have another beekeeper talking about me that way you do your commercial neighbors. I have developed my management choices on a basis of necessity and protecting my livelihood, as best I know. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ðÒÅÄÌÁÇÁÅÍ ÆØÀÞÅÒÓÎÙÊ ËÏÎÔÒÁËÔ ÎÁ ÎÅÂÏÌØÛÉÅ ÐÁÒÔÉÉ ÍÅÄÁ.0629 39-53-55, E-mail Date: 20 Apr 2000 23:27:47 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8dohrj$c97$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8dloc2$5u4$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> <8do6mj$577$2@lure.pipex.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24292 In article <8do6mj$577$2@lure.pipex.net>, Pamela Buckle wrote: >It's in Russian (try View or Format, Encoding, Cyrillic, KOI8 coding) and it >is not off message. It's an offer for contracts selling mixed flower honey >(Med tsvetochnii), guaranteed natural i.e. 'organic', with prices per kilo >in dollars and in roubles, as far as my Russian goes without fetching the >dictionary Pardon me. I don't read much Russian, and most of the posts here (99%) are in English. And have been for the last few years. Thanks for the contextual translation. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.online.be!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "d" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mating Box Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:50:47 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8dofqr$lf0$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-147.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 956285595 21984 63.75.191.147 (21 Apr 2000 02:53:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2000 02:53:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24293 Hello guys, I ordered a mating box from Mann Lake supplies, and it came without instructions on how to use it. Can anyone had any experience with these, and how to work them preacher Article 24294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:31:55 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8dlght$3gj$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdm16.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 956188029 3603 62.188.4.36 (19 Apr 2000 23:47:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Apr 2000 23:47:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24294 At Stoneleigh this weekend I bought a new little book : The Beekeepers Field Guide, by David Cramp. Bassdrum Books, ISBN 0 9537853 0 0 email SEROUD9746@aol.com I have read it cover to cover in 2 days rainy weather and reckon it is OK. Aim is to give you instant reference in the field on a whole list of topics relevant to troubleshooting during work with bees. Bound with rings so it folds flat, small enough for pocket, strong shiny cover, tough paper, quite good photos (mostly colour) of pests and diseases, good advice well presented. I reckon it has a lot going for it at about the £5 I paid (can't remember exactly but it was around £5 sterling. He keeps bees in Spain and has them in remote places where reference is not available. The book is based on his notes for use day to day. This is my unbiased assessment - I have never heard of the author until I picked up the book, which is, I was told, not generally available yet. Look out for it. Martin, MK, UK. Article 24295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trying to catch hive in tree Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:55:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8dpmku$9km$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8dm26p$cb2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.174 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 21 13:55:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.174 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24295 In article <8dm26p$cb2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > , > > "Rodney Isom" wrote: > >Any recommendations as to how to get the bees to go into > >the hive? > > Rodney > ********************************************************* > > Howdy Rodney -- > > By "empty hive" do you mean just foundation? You might put a couple > of frames of open brood with accompanying bees from another hive. This > would give a reason for the tree bees to go into your hive. > > Pete > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Hi Rodney, We are involved in a similar operation right now. Bees had entered through a large rotted away hole at the base of a huge oak tree. We used a screen funnel through masonite nailed over the hole. I had a couple of frames of brood and new eggs laid by a queen in an observation hive. Then we had to move the queen to a large hive that had become queenless for some reason. So we wound up doing what Pete said above. There is no queen in the nuc we are using to attract bees from the tree but they should be able to make one. We did this on April 18 and are going back to check on them today. We saw several pollen-laden bees going in the nuc before we left on Tuesday, so it looks promising. If it doesn't work we will have to put a queen in the nuc. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:19:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.49 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 21 17:19:11 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.49 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24296 I usually use a ball of newspaper (lit) with a big handful of pine needles over that. Seems to work fairly well, but can easily go out. Another option is to use the gray compressed stuff (cotton?) from Dadant. I've never used it but a friend of mine has and says it lights easily and burns slowly for a long time. Still another option, I've heard of using the fluffly red blossoms from the tops of sumac. I haven't tried it yet though. Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Shipping of Package bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Apr 2000 19:33:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000421153301.19322.00002716@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24297 Can anyone one the list tell me the norm for shipment of package bees? I ordered 2 packages from Texas and they were sent out on the 18th (Tuesday), it is now Friday and still no packages. I know that after leaving the producer, the packages are at the mercy of the postal system, but I guess I was expecting them to either be shipped priority or next day as with baby chicks. Was just wondering if this long of a shipping time frame is now the norm of the package producing community? Thanks, Bill Skriba Michigan Article 24298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shipping of Package bees Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Apr 2000 21:05:57 GMT References: <20000421153301.19322.00002716@ng-md1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000421170557.23285.00001476@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24298 Holiday weekend hmmm If they were my packages I would be at the post office seeing if they were sitting there til monday. Postal folks are happy to see bees go away so drive down there and ring the doorbell on the loading dock. ( bring ID) Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shipping of Package bees Message-ID: <3900c1cb.45010598@news.usit.net> References: <20000421153301.19322.00002716@ng-md1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:05:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 956351183 216.80.168.221 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:06:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:06:23 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24299 3 to 5 days after that probally will be in bad shape. I would guess they are lost. They lost two 3lb packages of mine a couple of years ago. I ended up going to brushy mt. and getting my bees after going to the post office filling a complaint and getting proof from apairist. Good luck On 21 Apr 2000 19:33:01 GMT, wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) wrote: >Can anyone one the list tell me the norm for shipment of package bees? I >ordered 2 packages from Texas and they were sent out on the 18th (Tuesday), it >is now Friday and still no packages. I know that after leaving the producer, >the packages are at the mercy of the postal system, but I guess I was expecting >them to either be shipped priority or next day as with baby chicks. Was just >wondering if this long of a shipping time frame is now the norm of the package >producing community? >Thanks, >Bill Skriba >Michigan Article 24300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.249.97.47!sn-east!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 24.112.111.157 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Missing beekeeping books. Lines: 8 From: arch63 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <00a564ac.f8fbc394@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com> Bytes: 462 X-Wren-Trace: eN7709LLjMaNmcbT1ZXe98TC2tba05KG2N3cnYWeic+AitCOgc+FgYeI Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:14:42 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.34 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 956355316 10.0.2.34 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:15:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:15:16 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24300 I bid on some beekeeping books the beginning of March on E-Bay and won. The person said she shipped them out on April 01 from Arizona and they were sent airmail. They still haven't arrived. She says there is no way to trace the package. Anybody familiar with U.S. Mail policies? Thanks, Glen in Canada. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missing beekeeping books. Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:54:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3900cd00.6319450@news1.radix.net> References: <00a564ac.f8fbc394@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24301 On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:14:42 -0700, arch63 wrote: >I bid on some beekeeping books the beginning of March on E-Bay >and won. The person said she shipped them out on April 01 from >Arizona and they were sent airmail. They still haven't arrived. >She says there is no way to trace the package. Anybody familiar >with U.S. Mail policies? Thanks, Glen in Canada. > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > Yeah, it's pretty bad on the national level. If it's going out of the country it is a real crap shoot. You can't insure international shipments either. Give it some more time. Most of the ebay sellers are on the up and up. Perhaps all the providences could apply for statehood to solve the problem? Greg the beekeep Article 24302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: beeguy@dianeshoney.com (BeeGuy) Subject: Re: Shipping of Package bees References: <20000421153301.19322.00002716@ng-md1.aol.com> <3900c1cb.45010598@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 26 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:06:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.163.71 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 956358672 38.27.163.71 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:11:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:11:12 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24302 In article <3900c1cb.45010598@news.usit.net>, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >3 to 5 days after that probally will be in bad shape. I would guess >they are lost. They lost two 3lb packages of mine a couple of years >ago. I ended up going to brushy mt. and getting my bees after going to >the post office filling a complaint and getting proof from apairist. >Good luck > >On 21 Apr 2000 19:33:01 GMT, wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) wrote: > >>Can anyone one the list tell me the norm for shipment of package bees? I >>ordered 2 packages from Texas and they were sent out on the 18th (Tuesday), it >>is now Friday and still no packages. I know that after leaving the producer, >>the packages are at the mercy of the postal system, but I guess I was > expecting >>them to either be shipped priority or next day as with baby chicks. Was just >>wondering if this long of a shipping time frame is now the norm of the package >>producing community? The last three years bees have taken 6 days to arrive from the producer. I buy from Norman's in Alabama and am located in Central Indiana. Bees that were shipped the 15th arrived today. minimal dead bees on the bottoms. It's seems to me it's too cold (40's) to hive them today, supposed to be in the 60's tomorrow so I'll do it then. Nothing like celebrating Easter by installing packages! :) Article 24303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:06:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 21 23:06:42 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.18 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24303 I've also been trying to find the 'perfect' material for the smoker and I may have come close with BURLAP. I watched our state bee inspector one day and was just amazed at how well his smoker put out and for such a long time too. I've found for my 20 hives that about 3 or 4 bags is enough for the entire season. We can get burlap for free from a coffee importer here and also from some seed companies. I cut it in long 6" wide strips then roll it up so it just fits the large smoker (professional model). It lights and relights well. He cautioned me that some may contain insecticides so he usually rinses them first. It's widely available and I carry a few additional strips in my pocket so I can recharge on the fly, if you will. Look around, a source is there and I think you'll be surprised when if you try it. No more burning everything I can get my hands on any more. i.e. shavings from the table saw,sticks,leaves, boxes etc. Anyone else tried this before? Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:04:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8dqqam$fv6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <20000417175529.26597.00000684@ng-cf1.aol.com> <38fbe4a2_1@news.vic.com> <38fc873a.2030577@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.168 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 22 00:04:59 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.168 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtimjk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24304 Funny you should mention that Greg. Last time I smoked my bees I chewed on a few of those little mushrooms. Not much on taste though. Can any body explain to me why my bees all seem to be changing colors and arranging themselves in isometric patterns lately??? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3900F249.46E50992@together.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:28:58 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-25-tnt-03.btvt.together.net X-Trace: 21 Apr 2000 20:34:08 -0500, dial-25-tnt-03.btvt.together.net Lines: 14 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-25-tnt-03.btvt.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24305 Be careful with burlap. When it looks like the fire is out, it isn't. I know an inspector who burned up his car because the burlap wasn't completely out. kamtout@together.net wrote: > I've also been trying to find the 'perfect' material for the smoker and > I may have come close with BURLAP. > > > Article 24306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: beeguy@dianeshoney.com (BeeGuy) Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 9 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:50:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.163.114 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 956364949 38.27.163.114 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:55:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:55:49 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24306 In article <8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kamtout@together.net wrote: >I've also been trying to find the 'perfect' material for the smoker and >I may have come close with BURLAP. I watched our state bee inspector >one day and was just amazed at how well his smoker put out and for such >a long time too. I've found for my 20 hives that about 3 or 4 bags is >enough for the entire season. ( lots of good stuff snipped ) I use burlap as well. It does do a good job. If you really can't find a source, Kelley even sells it by the pound. :) Article 24307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Trying to catch hive in tree Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:20:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24307 I'm tryin' to catch a feral hive in a tree that's in a friend's yard. I put a screen funnel over the entrance to the hive & placed an empty hive as close as I could get it, but that was still about a foot away from the hole in the tree. My friend says that a lot of bees are gathered on the outside of the funnel & he thinks a very few are finding their way back in thru the funnel, but none are going into my hive. I set all this up about a week and a half ago. Any recommendations as to how to get the bees to go into the hive? Would it do any good to spray them with sugar water and shake them into the hive? Or would they just go back home? He doesn't want them in his yard & will probably kill them if I'm not successful in capturing them. Thanks, Rodney rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net (remove the obvious part to reply directly) Article 24308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8dloc2$5u4$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> Subject: Re: ðÒÅÄÌÁÇÁÅÍ ÆØÀÞÅÒÓÎÙÊ ËÏÎÔÒÁËÔ ÎÁ ÎÅÂÏÌØÛÉÅ ÐÁÒÔÉÉ ÍÅÄÁ.0629 39-53-55, E-mail Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:09:50 -0500 Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.67 Message-ID: <38fe9e86_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 20 Apr 2000 02:07:02 -0400, 208.24.176.67 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.67 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24308 My sentiments exactly Larry "Grigory Psaras" wrote in message news:8dloc2$5u4$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua... > ïÂßÅËÔ ËÏÎÔÒÁËÔÁ: > íÅÄ Ã×ÅÔÏÞÎÙÊ ÐÏÌÉÆÌÅÒÎÙÊ, ÇÁÒÁÎÔÉÑ ÎÁÔÕÒÁÌØÎÏÓÔÉ. > Ë-×Ï 1000 Ëç > ÓÒÏË ÐÏÓÔÁ×ËÉ 1-10.07.2000 Ç > ÃÅÎÁ 1,1 $ > íÅÄ ÐÏÄÓÏÌÎÅÞÎÙÊ, ÇÁÒÁÎÔÉÑ ÎÁÔÕÒÁÌØÎÏÓÔÉ. > Ë-×Ï 1000 Ëç > ÃÅÎÁ 1,0 $ > õÓÌÏ×ÉÑ ËÏÎÔÒÁËÔÁ- ÐÒÅÄÏÐÌÁÔÁ ÄÏ 10.05.2000 Ç > õÓÌÏ×ÉÑ ÐÏÓÔÁ×ËÉ -ÓÁÍÏ×Ù×ÏÚ × ÔÁÒÕ ÐÏËÕÐÁÔÅÌÑ (50 Ëç) > ÷ÏÚÍÏÖÅÎ ËÏÎÔÒÏÌØ ÐÏËÕÐÁÔÅÌÑ ÚÁ ÔÅÈÎÏÌÏÇÉÅÊ ÎÁ ÌÀÂÏÊ ÓÔÁÄÉÉ ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÓÔ×Á > postmost@donin.com, íÁÒÉÕÐÏÌØ > > Article 24309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000412200621.06405.00000318@nso-fs.aol.com> <00b101bfaa8d$69ff1a60$e7211c8e@nisgaa.bc.ca> Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:12:25 -0500 Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.67 Message-ID: <38fe9f21_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 20 Apr 2000 02:09:37 -0400, 208.24.176.67 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.67 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24309 I read an article somewhere that some beekeepers in congested areas put there hives on the roof so the flight path is away from people and pets. There was also a suggestion to place an 8ft high wood fence in front of the hive to make them fly up and away. Larry "grizzly bearnolds" wrote in message news:00b101bfaa8d$69ff1a60$e7211c8e@nisgaa.bc.ca... > From: Bob Pursley > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 > Subject: Re: chickens and bees > > (( Sorry about being so late in an answer to this one. Emails from this > newsgroup arrive a week late for me, and I only have infrequent internet > access to keep more up to date. )) > > >I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. > >Does anyone see a problem with this? > > We have been trying different spots for our hives during the non-winter > months, mainly so that they are a bit out of the general working area since > I regularly collide with my bees when working my garden. Last year we put > four hives behind the chicken house, and the bees had a pretty good spot > with that, not the direct hot sun but still lots of light and warmth. The > chickens, goose, and ducks (as well as the dogs, cats, black bears, > grizzlies, coyotes etc.) moved freely among the hives and flying bees. > > Bees and chickens seem to get along just fine. > > Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA > mailto:mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz><955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.6 (NOV) From: dnl@cs.rmit.edu.au (David Latter) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au Message-ID: <38feb308$1@naylor.cs.rmit.edu.au> Date: 20 Apr 2000 17:34:32 +1000 Organization: RMIT University Computer Science Lines: 23 XPident: cgoh NNTP-Posting-Host: naylor.cs.rmit.edu.au X-Trace: 20 Apr 2000 19:30:04 GMT, naylor.cs.rmit.edu.au Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!mercury.its.rmit.edu.au!naylor.cs.rmit.edu.au!dnl Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24310 "Neville Brook" writes: >Hi James, >Destruction of hives is apparently still an option. It all depends on how >far the infestation has gone to decide if it is feasible. The problem I >have with this, is what about the feral hives? Even if they decide to >destroy all managed hives, I don't believe they can hope to get all the >feral ones as well. So we'll see. ------------------------------------------- We had a suspected outbreak of fireblight I think it was called (a fruit tree disease) right in the middle of the city (Melbourne, Aust) There was a possibilty that the bees could spread it via pollen... Anyway, as it was a small outbreak, a large radius (cant remember, but was in the low km) was quarentined and all hives distroyed. There was a large number of feral hives found and killed. A lot more that I thought would be there... but after that, I didnt see any bees here in the city... If the outbreak is small enough and enough manpower is spent on it, then maybe it can be stopped. Lets hope that is the case. David Article 24311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!info1.fnal.gov!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "C.K." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:25:02 GMT Organization: Smart Lines: 10 Sender: inxtran8@freewwweb.com@*@1cust152.tnt35.dfw5.da.uu.net Message-ID: <8dmaub$7cd$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> Reply-To: nitetran@operamail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust152.tnt35.dfw5.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: News Rover 5.4.2 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24311 I save all my calamata olive pits throughout the year and use them in the Fall for smoke..very nice..I read once that in France you could buy "cakes" of ground olive pits for smoking (things) bees notwithstanding. I suppose we should ask Steve Tabor where we can get that stuff.. C.K. Article 24312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38FEDFAD.20FB3361@together.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:45:01 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trying to catch hive in tree References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-162-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 20 Apr 2000 06:49:44 -0500, dial-162-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 14 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-162-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24312 Why would bees want to go in your bait hive? They know where home is. Try putting a nuc in your bait hive. Rodney Isom wrote: > I'm tryin' to catch a feral hive in a tree that's in a friend's yard. > Any recommendations as to how to get the bees to go into the > hive? Thanks, > Rodney > rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net > (remove the obvious part to reply directly) Article 24313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: off-topic posts Date: 20 Apr 2000 09:35:37 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8dn139$s80$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8dloc2$5u4$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua> <38fe9e86_1@news.vic.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24313 In article <38fe9e86_1@news.vic.com>, Larry W wrote: >My sentiments exactly > > >"Grigory Psaras" wrote in message >news:8dloc2$5u4$1@hyppo.anet.donetsk.ua... Post deleted. If you like, send email to: To: andrew@anet.donetsk.ua Subject: Usenet posting from AZOV.NET, DONIN.COM His name is Mr. Pershunkin, He's the contact for the above domains where the post originated from. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 24314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3900FF6C.A7DC6659@istar.ca> From: Simon de Vet Reply-To: sdevet@istar.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will Work for Bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:25:00 -0300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 154.5.35.145 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 956366121 154.5.35.145 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:15:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:15:21 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24314 I met a young fellow in Halifax yesterday. He had a sign which read, and I quote: "In desperate need of work! Can do gardening, landscaping, handywork, or beekeeping." Article 24315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bosaiya@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:12:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8dr59v$r4h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.39.146.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 22 03:12:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.39.146.25 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbosaiya Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24315 We keep about a dozen hives on a lot with a bunch of chickens, ducks, peacocks, and other assorted critters. We never have a problem with chickens. They're relatively smart. Now, the ducks (four varieties) aren't as smart. Every once in a while the ducks will step on live bees, get stung, and die. Yeah, well, natural selection I suppose. But the chickens stay away from the hives. In article <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Angela Copi" wrote: > I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. > Does anyone see a problem with this? > > Thanks, > > Keith > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bosaiya@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: High tension near hives? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:26:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8dr653$s16$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.39.146.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 22 03:26:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.39.146.25 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbosaiya Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24316 As everyone else has already mentioned, it doesn't make a lick of difference. Our hives are under high tension wires. The buzz is strangely comforting. The bees could care less. Keep in mind that the power company will own the right of way, and if they decide to come in with a bulldozer and level everything in sight (including your hives), you'll be out of luck. But it's never been an issue for us. In article , "STIG HANSSON" wrote: > Hello, > I have a friend, who wants me to put some of my hives near his rape fields > this spring. The place, where he wants me to put them is near a high voltage > line. Do the bees have any problem with that? How close can I put them? > Thanks! > Doris > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cheap Extractor Found Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:57:34 -0500 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.62 Message-ID: <390122a0_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 21 Apr 2000 23:55:12 -0400, 208.24.176.62 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.62 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24317 There was some talk about a cheap plastic extractor some time ago in this NG. Peter Amschell sold one to me about 2 years ago. I have found a source for those extractors. They are 2 frame hand powered and cost $100.00. I can vouch that it works just fine and has metal gears. Although this one I cant tell from the picture but it looks exactly the same as mine. - Rossman Apiaries has them model number L20 17lbs at $99.95 Tel no. 1-800-333-7677 Larry Article 24318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nosema Message-ID: <390016d7.1239703@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 2 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:55:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 956307314 216.80.168.226 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:55:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:55:14 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24318 I was wondering what the symptons are and is there any smell to the hive with this diease? Article 24319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Box Message-ID: <39001815.1558054@news.usit.net> References: <8dofqr$lf0$1@einstein.greenhills.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 16 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:03:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 956307815 216.80.168.226 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 05:03:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 05:03:35 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24319 Can you look in the book at a picture of this box ? I have no experience with this item, but I also ordered some items from mann lake and recieved no instructions. They seem to produce a good product, but would help with some info. They don't send any nails with frames or anything else it seems also. On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:50:47 -0500, "d" wrote: >Hello guys, >I ordered a mating box from Mann Lake supplies, and it came without >instructions on how to use it. Can anyone had any experience with these, and >how to work them >preacher > > Article 24320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Shipping of Package Bees Part 2 Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 2000 10:59:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000422065953.26790.00003444@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24320 Can anyone one the list tell me the norm for shipment of package bees? I ordered 2 packages from Texas and they were sent out on the 18th (Tuesday), it is now Friday and still no packages. I know that after leaving the producer, the packages are at the mercy of the postal system, but I guess I was expecting them to either be shipped priority or next day as with baby chicks. Was just wondering if this long of a shipping time frame is now the norm of the package producing community? Thanks, Bill Skriba Michigan Well, its now Saturday, 6:45 am just got off the phone with the post office here,( I live in a rural area and they have been looking out for the pakages and would call way before regular opening hours if they came in on the night truck) and still no packages, I contacted my supplier on Friday (I won't mention any names yet) and they said non-chalantly, oh they should arrive at least by tommorow. I know once again that after leaving their place, the shipping is out of their hands. I guess what surprised me was their attitude like it's only a couple of packages and why are you bothering us seemed to be inferrence. I guess, I figured with a smaller market demand in this area,(package bees) that every customer would be important, no matter what size there order. It seems customer service seems to have went out the window with everything else in the world. Please someone tell me a "Good" shipping story to pacify me till I can finally get them installed. Thanks for letting me Vent. Bill Article 24321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:41:00 -0500 Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.55 Message-ID: <3901e3a3$1_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 22 Apr 2000 13:38:43 -0400, 208.24.176.55 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.55 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24321 How about sumac poising of yourself from the smoke. I get poison oak or Ivy or sumac poising (rash) everytime I get in the smoke from one of them being burned. Larry "Eaglequest" wrote in message news:lNfM4.4252$q8.9476005@news-east.usenetserver.com... > We have been using Sumac flowers for years. Excellent smoke, stays lit and > someone had told my partner it causes mite drop-off ( similar to tobacco > claims). Gather in fall and let dry over winter, although fresh ones will > burn too. > > Jake - Good-Rich Apiaries > Oxford, MI > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > wrote in message > news:8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > I usually use a ball of newspaper (lit) with a big handful of pine > > needles over that. Seems to work fairly well, but can easily go out. > > Another option is to use the gray compressed stuff (cotton?) from > > Dadant. I've never used it but a friend of mine has and says it lights > > easily and burns slowly for a long time. Still another option, I've > > heard of using the fluffly red blossoms from the tops of sumac. I > > haven't tried it yet though. > > > > Good Luck, > > Paul > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Article 24322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!news-feed.ifi.uio.no!uninett.no!news.netscum.dk.MISMATCH!CensurBot!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: trying to send Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:02:12 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8dpcb9$91c$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip36.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 956314793 9260 195.249.242.36 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24322 my newsgroup provider rejects my mail, so this is just a test sorry to offend some of you! Article 24323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!sol.no!uninett.no!news.netscum.dk.MISMATCH!CensurBot!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: trying to send Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:25:57 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8dpdol$aug$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8dpcb9$91c$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip36.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 956316245 11216 195.249.242.36 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24323 It seems to relate to my answer to the group Jorn Johanesson skrev i en nyhedsmeddelelse:8dpcb9$91c$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > my newsgroup provider rejects my mail, so this is just a test > > sorry to offend some of you! > > Article 24324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news.netscum.dk.MISMATCH!CensurBot!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa & migratory beekeeping Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:36:02 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8dpebt$bqj$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8do1lh$u65$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip36.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 956316861 12115 195.249.242.36 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24324 Carman skrev i en nyhedsmeddelelse:8do1lh$u65$1@news.wave.co.nz... > Greeintgs all > > Anyway my querey is this, in the countries which have the varroa mite, do > overseas beekeepers do migratory beekeeping? in a little scale Yes. We are doing some migrating to collect Heather Honey! by the way! bees winter better on sucker than of Honey. Special if they have to stay 'indoors' for a long time. In Denmark it is from late September to first in marts. best regards Jorn Johanesson http://apimo.dk e_mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > Kia ora ra > carman > > > Article 24325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Darren" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: refining beeswax Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:11:02 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24325 Am looking for a pointer for information on the web or other source for simple process to refine beeswax... Any help would be greatly appreciated... Darren.. Article 24326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000422065953.26790.00003444@ng-cg1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Shipping of Package Bees Part 2 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:38:47 -0500 Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.55 Message-ID: <3901e31e_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 22 Apr 2000 13:36:30 -0400, 208.24.176.55 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.55 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24326 A friend ordered 26 queens from Calif. on Friday the 14th. They were shipped Express mail (overnight). He got them on Saturday the 22nd nobody can tell him were they were and the tracking number didn't show up on there computer. PS: the post office wants another 1 cent increase, there 2.3 billion profit last year isn't enough. Larry "WSkriba" wrote in message news:20000422065953.26790.00003444@ng-cg1.aol.com... > Can anyone one the list tell me the norm for shipment of package bees? I > ordered 2 packages from Texas and they were sent out on the 18th (Tuesday), it > is now Friday and still no packages. I know that after leaving the producer, > the packages are at the mercy of the postal system, but I guess I was expecting > them to either be shipped priority or next day as with baby chicks. Was just > wondering if this long of a shipping time frame is now the norm of the package > producing community? > Thanks, > Bill Skriba > Michigan > > Well, its now Saturday, 6:45 am just got off the phone with the post office > here,( I live in a rural area and they have been looking out for the pakages > and would call way before regular opening hours if they came in on the night > truck) and still no packages, I contacted my supplier on Friday (I won't > mention any names yet) and they said non-chalantly, oh they should arrive at > least by tommorow. I know once again that after leaving their place, the > shipping is out of their hands. I guess what surprised me was their attitude > like it's only a couple of packages and why are you bothering us seemed to be > inferrence. I guess, I figured with a smaller market demand in this > area,(package bees) that every customer would be important, no matter what size > there order. It seems customer service seems to have went out the window with > everything else in the world. Please someone tell me a "Good" shipping story > to pacify me till I can finally get them installed. Thanks for letting me > Vent. > Bill Article 24327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 07:51:14 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8dsom6$1lc$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-14.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 956425734 1708 62.136.46.14 (22 Apr 2000 17:48:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Apr 2000 17:48:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24327 I used this for several years - we had a coffee shop that roasted beans on the premises and had plenty of spare sacks which they gave away free. They were very good (and insecticide free). The shop closed, I lost the supply and went over to using the rotten wood; I have to say that I now prefer the wood - it burns cooler, longer, has a more pleasant smell and does not 'coke up' the inside of the smoker. wrote in message news:8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I've also been trying to find the 'perfect' material for the smoker and > I may have come close with BURLAP. Article 24328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Water? Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:15:11 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 956326221 204.244.87.58 (Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:10:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:10:21 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24328 This year I made Miller type top-feeders with a plexiglass on top of the bee passage. Now to my surprise the bees were or seemed to be taking water off the plexi itself (upside down) Now, I'm sure that sugar doesn't evaporate so they were probably using that water. My question is, would evaporation in the hive provide a viable and sufficient source of water (very closeby). I read that they get water in this way in the winter. Maybe this would be a way to avoid the neighbor's pool...(water collector inner board ?) Normand Article 24329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:31:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> <8d70gt$rbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <38F70881.4A26E02C@visi.net> <8d7otq$72m2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <8d8o5l$6edc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <8ddria$9ef$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <8do6mk$577$3@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956438618 nnrp-12:29833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24329 In article <8do6mk$577$3@lure.pipex.net>, Pamela Buckle writes >Freddie, >What makes you think the viruses were not there before 1950 ? By this >reasoning the black death cannot have been due to an infection, but happened >by magic. It may well be that the IoW disease you mention, which has never >been satisfactorily accounted for, was due to the se undiscovered viruses >and/or a vector such as Varroa. I heard from somewhere that IoW disease is now thought to have been one of the viruses now associated with varroa when the numbers get above about 2500 (threshold level for some colonies) per colony (SPV?). I will ask Norman Carreck. -- James Kilty Article 24330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: trying to send Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:10:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8dpcb9$91c$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956438622 nnrp-12:29833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24330 In article <8dpcb9$91c$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, Jorn Johanesson writes >my newsgroup provider rejects my mail, so this is just a test > >sorry to offend some of you! no offence if you want to join this illustrious group. It worked. -- James Kilty Article 24331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nosema Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:07:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1sOcxXApShA5EwI$@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <390016d7.1239703@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956438621 nnrp-12:29833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24331 In article <390016d7.1239703@news.usit.net>, gfdavis@usit.net writes >I was wondering what the symptons are and is there any smell to the >hive with this diease? Dead bees, slow moving bees, dark trails near the entrance or even a mass of caked faeces on the entrance board, dark trails inside the hive on the walls or even over the frames. "Spring dwindling" is reduction in numbers of bees due to shortened life. Many colonies die out with this disease. Queens are apparently susceptible too and queen replacement in very early spring doesn't work. I am about to treat two colonies and will have a sniff for you! (The weather has been too cold recently to put any more stress on them by opening them up.) I believe it is endemic, which means that healthy bees won't show any such signs but you'll see the protozoan in a microscope if you look hard enough in any bee. Certainly it is in our locale. Bees which are or have been heavily stressed may then develop it (I will change the queens later this year assuming they are possibly more susceptible). Comb older than 3 years is not a good idea and some beekeepers are now changing foundation every 2 years!! (Our Regional Bee Inspector recommended this in a recent lecture on bee diseases.) -- James Kilty Article 24332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why Varroa? I Treated! Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:25:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <38f7b395.135726156@news1.radix.net> <8d8j5v$rjo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956438618 nnrp-12:29833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24332 In article , Charles "Stretch" Ledford writes >That's what we did, and found Varroa mites dead on the bottom board, along >with lots of dead bees. That's why we surmised it was an infestation of >Varroa that brought them to their knees... :( It's not proof. I saw an untreated dead colony with thousands of dead mites on the floor with thousands of dead bees. I took that as proof. How many bees did you count and how many mites? -- James Kilty Article 24333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trying to catch hive in tree Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:41:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956438619 nnrp-12:29833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24333 In article , Rodney Isom writes >My friend says that a lot of bees are gathered on the outside >of the funnel & he thinks a very few are finding their way back in thru the >funnel, but none are going into my hive. I set all this up about a week and >a half ago. Any recommendations as to how to get the bees to go into the >hive? Is there a young queen and bees in the bait hive? Try a pipe on the funnel and have the end a few inches from the hive entrance. You can move the pipe end around if need be. You can also use a Porter bee escape tied on to the pipe end as a one way filter. -- James Kilty Article 24334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trying to catch hive in tree Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:45:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956438620 nnrp-12:29833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24334 In article , Normand writes >Also I believe you wont be able to get them all out and will have to destroy >the hidden queen and requeen or get fresh brood. When the feral colony is depleted to the point that there are no bees left the queen dies. At this point let the new colony rob out the wild one. Then if no swarms are to be invited back, block up the entrance completely. -- James Kilty Article 24335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa & migratory beekeeping Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:50:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8do1lh$u65$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956438620 nnrp-12:29833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24335 In article <8do1lh$u65$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >Anyway my querey is this, in the countries which have the varroa mite, do >overseas beekeepers do migratory beekeeping? Yes. Within the proscribed areas only: i.e. if an area has varroa and has a line drawn around it on the map, movement within the area is OK; ditto in the area without varroa. All Europe has it now, except most parts of Scotland, a little of Wales and quite a bit of Ireland. This still causes problems for the Scots who cannot move their bees out of the designated area, but not for the English though there are still small areas they are kept out of I think. -- James Kilty Article 24336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:56:13 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39021FFD.3319A8ED@club-internet.fr> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dsom6$1lc$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-54-247.wmar.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 956440856 17373 213.44.54.247 (22 Apr 2000 22:00:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Apr 2000 22:00:56 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24336 Here in France I have used during the last 5-6 years de-hydrated Lucerne pellets in my smoker-easily obtained from any agricultural co-operative, costing 60FF for 50 kg sack- enough for a year, using the smoker on a daily basis during the bee season.
It produces dense cool  white smoke and smolders for 2+ hours before needing a refill. A little difficult to light- use old hessian sack, and no problem for the rest of the day.
Regards
Peter Article 24337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: webads@aol.com (Webads) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New agriculural/ranching website and auction site Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 2000 23:34:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000422193445.19065.00002706@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24337 http://www.teachabetterway.com/opening.htm Article 24338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail From: "David Moncrieff" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dsom6$1lc$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <39021FFD.3319A8ED@club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Lines: 109 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01BFAD09.D1818320" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slmlb48p35.ozemail.com.au X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 956448057 210.84.141.36 (Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:00:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:00:57 EST Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:53:47 +1000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24338 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01BFAD09.D1818320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable peter dillon wrote in message = <39021FFD.3319A8ED@club-internet.fr>... Here in France I have used during the last 5-6 years de-hydrated = Lucerne pellets in my smoker-easily obtained from any agricultural = co-operative, costing 60FF for 50 kg sack- enough for a year, using the = smoker on a daily basis during the bee season.=20 It produces dense cool white smoke and smolders for 2+ hours before = needing a refill. A little difficult to light- use old hessian sack, and = no problem for the rest of the day.=20 Regards=20 Peter=20 I find also find lucerne hay works well. The hay is stored in the = same shed I used to keep my bee gear - so I can just light the smoker in = the shed and walk 10 metres and work on the hives. I pack the hay hard = into the smoker - once it is alight. Lighting the hay is the tricky = part - I normally use paper. You need to to work the smoker for some = time, a few minutes, to get the fuel to stay alight. The good thing, = for me, about lucerne hay is it readily available and consistent. Can I = suggest to those that use manures - put the cow/ horse dung on your = garden instead. The thought of having cow manure sprayed all over my = toast in the morning is not pretty. There are times here when I would = not use a smoker as the fire authorities declare days of total fire = bans. The bush in Victoria can be tinder dry - and bush fires ( wild = fires) are very dangerous to life and property. I would like to try = some liquid smoke next summer - at least if its not made from cows dung! Cheers BeeDoc, Upwey, Victoria, Australia. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01BFAD09.D1818320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
peter dillon wrote in message <39021FFD.3319A8ED@club= -internet.fr>...
Here=20 in France I have used during the last 5-6 years de-hydrated Lucerne = pellets=20 in my smoker-easily obtained from any agricultural co-operative, = costing=20 60FF for 50 kg sack- enough for a year, using the smoker on a daily = basis=20 during the bee season.
It produces dense cool  white smoke = and=20 smolders for 2+ hours before needing a refill. A little difficult to = light-=20 use old hessian sack, and no problem for the rest of the day. =
Regards=20
Peter I=20 find also find lucerne hay works well. The hay is stored in the same = shed I=20 used to keep my bee gear - so I can just light the smoker in the = shed and=20 walk 10 metres and work on the hives. I pack the hay hard into the = smoker -=20 once it is alight.  Lighting the hay is the tricky part - I = normally=20 use paper. You need to to work the smoker for some time, a few = minutes, to=20 get the fuel to stay alight.  The good thing, for me, about = lucerne hay=20 is it readily available and consistent. Can I suggest to those that = use=20 manures - put the cow/ horse dung on your garden instead. The = thought of=20 having cow manure sprayed all over my toast in the morning is not = pretty.=20 There are times here when I would not use a smoker as the fire  = authorities declare days of total fire bans. The bush in Victoria = can be=20 tinder dry - and bush fires ( wild fires) are very dangerous to life = and=20 property.  I would like to try some liquid smoke next summer - = at least=20 if its not made from cows dung! Cheers=20 BeeDoc, Upwey, Victoria, Australia. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01BFAD09.D1818320-- Article 24339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news-out.nibble.net!news-in.nibble.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what's the most aromatic honey? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:43:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <39024747.3BA9E80D@midwest.net> References: <38fa1bd0$1_1@news.vphos.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24339 Peter C wrote: > > I am going to try honey as bottling primer for a batch of beer I am brewing. > I was advised to use the most aromatic honey. We have a good gourmet store > here that has many different kinds. What should I look for? If I'm not > giving you enough to go on, I will go to the store and write down all the > kinds they have, and then list them here. Thanks in advance for any help > you can provide. I am also supposed to stay away from pasteurized honey, by > the way. > > -- > > Peter C Hey Pete, Where were you when I was trying to unload *my* batch of "aromatic" honey??? You might want to be more specific about the aroma you are looking for - just ask Allen or a buddy of mine in Washington state who received a sample of my "aromatic" honey a couple years ago - sure wouldn't want that rising from yer frothy glass o'brew. I brew a few batches of myself from time to time and wouldn't recommend honey for a priming sugar, for that I would use corn sugar. However, for the initial fermentation I would recommend using a strong dark honey along the lines of buckwheat honey for a hearty ale. A better source of aroma would be the choice of hops, not the honey. AL Article 24340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:43:52 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Dave Kern" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24340 I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and arrived on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where the queen is. Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I have a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave Article 24341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:54:39 -0500 Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.62 Message-ID: <3902818b_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 23 Apr 2000 00:52:27 -0400, 208.24.176.62 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.62 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24341 I would put about 2 sheets of newspaper on top of the one with the queen and put the one without the queen on top of it and make a double hive. I would wait until I had some capped brood and eggs then buy another queen and make a split. Larry "Dave Kern" wrote in message news:sg50315ll6e174@corp.supernews.com... > I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two > hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and arrived > on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was > raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I > hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > > Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her > cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull > the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free > her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but > before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. > The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to > compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where > the queen is. > > Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I have > a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > Article 24342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news-out.nibble.net!news-in.nibble.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:01:54 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <3902818b_1@news.vic.com> Reply-To: "Dave Kern" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24342 Thanks! Do you think there is a chance the other queen will return? Maybe I should wait a day or two and then do that? Anyway, thanks for the feedback, I will try and double up. Dave Larry W wrote in message news:3902818b_1@news.vic.com... > I would put about 2 sheets of newspaper on top of the one with the queen and > put the one without the queen on top of it and make a double hive. I would > wait until I had some capped brood and eggs then buy another queen and make > a split. > > Larry > > > "Dave Kern" wrote in message > news:sg50315ll6e174@corp.supernews.com... > > I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two > > hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and > arrived > > on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was > > raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I > > hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > > > > Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her > > cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to > pull > > the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to > free > > her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork > but > > before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. > > The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to > > compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where > > the queen is. > > > > Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I > have > > a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > > > > > Article 24343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gip.net.MISMATCH!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Eaglequest" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 07:11:13 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 07:10:25 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24343 We have been using Sumac flowers for years. Excellent smoke, stays lit and someone had told my partner it causes mite drop-off ( similar to tobacco claims). Gather in fall and let dry over winter, although fresh ones will burn too. Jake - Good-Rich Apiaries Oxford, MI -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ wrote in message news:8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I usually use a ball of newspaper (lit) with a big handful of pine > needles over that. Seems to work fairly well, but can easily go out. > Another option is to use the gray compressed stuff (cotton?) from > Dadant. I've never used it but a friend of mine has and says it lights > easily and burns slowly for a long time. Still another option, I've > heard of using the fluffly red blossoms from the tops of sumac. I > haven't tried it yet though. > > Good Luck, > Paul > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3902DBF1.4AFE6972@visi.net> From: ThomBradley <"thom Don't SPAM on me brad"@visi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:18:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp25.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 07:18:46 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24344 If there is an experienced beekeeper in your area, call him/her and explain and ask for assistance to look for her. They usually come directly back to where she left from if she is not accompanied by worker bees. If she is not there, then combine with the paper method and call for a new queen. Thom Chesapeake, VA Dave Kern wrote: > > I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two > hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and arrived > on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was > raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I > hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > > Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her > cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull > the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free > her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but > before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. > The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to > compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where > the queen is. > > Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I have > a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dave Article 24345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Eaglequest" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3901e3a3$1_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:23:38 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 07:18:09 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24345 This is not from the poison sumac plant but rather a sumac tree (large bush). This variety is not poisonous and produces a large red cluster of buds ( referred to them as flowers). Produces a pure white smoke and leaves very little ash. Jake - Good-Rich Apiaries Oxford, MI ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ "Larry W" wrote in message news:3901e3a3$1_2@news.vic.com... > How about sumac poising of yourself from the smoke. I get poison oak or Ivy > or sumac poising (rash) everytime I get in the smoke from one of them being > burned. > > Larry > > "Eaglequest" wrote in message > news:lNfM4.4252$q8.9476005@news-east.usenetserver.com... > > We have been using Sumac flowers for years. Excellent smoke, stays lit and > > someone had told my partner it causes mite drop-off ( similar to tobacco > > claims). Gather in fall and let dry over winter, although fresh ones will > > burn too. > > > > Jake - Good-Rich Apiaries > > Oxford, MI > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Click here for Free Video!! > > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > > > wrote in message > > news:8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > I usually use a ball of newspaper (lit) with a big handful of pine > > > needles over that. Seems to work fairly well, but can easily go out. > > > Another option is to use the gray compressed stuff (cotton?) from > > > Dadant. I've never used it but a friend of mine has and says it lights > > > easily and burns slowly for a long time. Still another option, I've > > > heard of using the fluffly red blossoms from the tops of sumac. I > > > haven't tried it yet though. > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > Article 24346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Message-ID: <3902e11a.779799@news.usit.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 37 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:46:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 956490386 216.80.168.162 (Sun, 23 Apr 2000 07:46:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 07:46:26 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24346 I would put on 1 to 1 sugar mix and see what happens if there is a chance the queen came back which is likely and see if you see her in about 8 to 10 days after they have settled down. Take the frames out and inspect. Hopefully you had her marked. Good Luck On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:43:52 -0700, "Dave Kern" wrote: >I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two >hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and arrived >on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was >raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I >hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > >Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her >cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull >the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free >her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but >before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. >The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to >compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where >the queen is. > >Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I have >a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Dave > > > Article 24347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3902818b_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:23:15 -0500 Lines: 75 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.62 Message-ID: <3902883f$1_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 23 Apr 2000 01:21:03 -0400, 208.24.176.62 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.62 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24347 That question is beyond my expertise. The problem is if she don't return you will just have a box of dying bees, they will start pulling comb but with no eggs or brood they'll just die or possibly a drone will start laying if you have any. At least you will save the workers if you combine them Larry "Dave Kern" wrote in message news:sg514qj5l6e160@corp.supernews.com... > Thanks! Do you think there is a chance the other queen will return? Maybe > I should wait a day or two and then do that? Anyway, thanks for the > feedback, I will try and double up. > > Dave > > Larry W wrote in message > news:3902818b_1@news.vic.com... > > I would put about 2 sheets of newspaper on top of the one with the queen > and > > put the one without the queen on top of it and make a double hive. I would > > wait until I had some capped brood and eggs then buy another queen and > make > > a split. > > > > Larry > > > > > > "Dave Kern" wrote in message > > news:sg50315ll6e174@corp.supernews.com... > > > I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up > two > > > hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and > > arrived > > > on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it > was > > > raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so > I > > > hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > > > > > > Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in > her > > > cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to > > pull > > > the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to > > free > > > her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork > > but > > > before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. > > > The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to > > > compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know > where > > > the queen is. > > > > > > Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I > > have > > > a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 07:32:41 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <3902DBF1.4AFE6972@visi.net> Reply-To: "Dave Kern" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24348 Actually, I don't know of anyone yet. There is one person down the road that has some hives I can see, but since it is Easter I doubt anyone would be willing to help today. I do see a ball of bees, several hundred, on the front of the hive. I am hoping she is in that. I am going to try and get the ball in the hive with smoke. Thanks for the help. Dave ThomBradley <"thom Don't SPAM on me brad"@visi.net> wrote in message news:3902DBF1.4AFE6972@visi.net... > If there is an experienced beekeeper in your area, call him/her and > explain and ask for assistance to look for her. They usually come > directly back to where she left from if she is not accompanied by worker > bees. If she is not there, then combine with the paper method and call > for a new queen. > > Thom > Chesapeake, VA > > Dave Kern wrote: > > > > I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two > > hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and arrived > > on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was > > raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I > > hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > > > > Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her > > cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull > > the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free > > her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but > > before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. > > The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to > > compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where > > the queen is. > > > > Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I have > > a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > Article 24349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 2000 14:38:35 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000423103835.15277.00003061@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24349 >This is not from the poison sumac plant but rather a sumac tree (large >bush). This variety is not poisonous and produces a large red cluster of >buds ( referred to them as flowers). This would be the "Staghorn Sumac" (Phus typhina) grows 3-30 feet and flowers June-July. The red clusters of buds were use by native Americans to make a drink. Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Milford, CT Article 24350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:28:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <39030844.72995215@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24350 On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:43:52 -0700, "Dave Kern" wrote: >I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two >hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and arrived >on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was >raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I >hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > >Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her >cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull >the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free >her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but >before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. >The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to >compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where >the queen is. > >Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I have >a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Dave > > > If the bees took to the hive the chances are that she will return. Greg the beekeep Article 24351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 2000 15:30:17 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000423113017.08682.00002989@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24351 Dave, Where are you located? I had some Heitkam queens arrive Friday and found out yesterday that one of the hives I intended to requeen is superceding. I understand supercedure queens are pretty good, and I'm not sure if there is a new queen running around in the hive, so I don't want to try requeening. With me already pulling frames from all my other hives to make splits, and having a day job to return to tomorrow, I'm stuck with an extra queen. If you are close to me I'll sell her for cost. I'm in Eastern MA. Article 24352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 2000 15:34:51 GMT References: <8dqqam$fv6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000423113451.08682.00002990@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24352 I obtain burlap from a nursery that sells trees. The trees are shipped with the rootballs bound in burlap. It's also available from garden supply catalogs. Gardeners use it to wrap plants to protect them from cold in the winter when they have something in the yard that is not hardy to the zone they are in. Article 24353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:11:29 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <3902e11a.779799@news.usit.net> Reply-To: "Dave Kern" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24353 The bees are going in and out of the hive now. The only thing weird is that there are a lot of bees just hanging out outside. The other hive only has the activity, no relaxing bees on top, on the sides, etc. I will wait until next weekend and take a look. If nothing, I will combine. So how do you mark bees? Do some come that way? Dave wrote in message news:3902e11a.779799@news.usit.net... > I would put on 1 to 1 sugar mix and see what happens if there is a > chance the queen came back which is likely and see if you see her in > about 8 to 10 days after they have settled down. Take the frames out > and inspect. Hopefully you had her marked. > Good Luck > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:43:52 -0700, "Dave Kern" > wrote: > > >I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two > >hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and arrived > >on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was > >raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I > >hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > > > >Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her > >cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull > >the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free > >her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but > >before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. > >The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to > >compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where > >the queen is. > > > >Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I have > >a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > >Dave > > > > > > > Article 24354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:11:42 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20000423113017.08682.00002989@ng-cj1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Dave Kern" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24354 I am in San Diego CA. Probably a little too far. Thanks anyway. Dave JMitc1014 wrote in message news:20000423113017.08682.00002989@ng-cj1.aol.com... > Dave, > Where are you located? I had some Heitkam queens arrive Friday and found out > yesterday that one of the hives I intended to requeen is superceding. I > understand supercedure queens are pretty good, and I'm not sure if there is a > new queen running around in the hive, so I don't want to try requeening. > With me already pulling frames from all my other hives to make splits, and > having a day job to return to tomorrow, I'm stuck with an extra queen. If you > are close to me I'll sell her for cost. I'm in Eastern MA. Article 24355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!test-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Wonderful" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:27:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24355 Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are clumped to the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (about 10 feet away from the hive. I don't have another broodbox..just a honey super. I set it out beside the swarm (it has 10 frames with foundation in it) this morning. A few are on top of it but the swarm remains clumped to the tree trunk. The bees remaining in my hive are acting weird. Several hundred are out in front of the hive on the ground. What can I do? Respond to mike88@triplet.net please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Article 24356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:20:41 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8dvcvj$ahd$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dsom6$1lc$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <39021FFD.3319A8ED@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01BFACFC.D09F4C60" X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 956512051 10797 62.136.10.6 (23 Apr 2000 17:47:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Apr 2000 17:47:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24356 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BFACFC.D09F4C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable peter dillon wrote in message = news:39021FFD.3319A8ED@club-internet.fr... 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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BFACFC.D09F4C60-- Article 24357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:10:38 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8dvaoh$o3n3@news.vtx.ch> References: Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-6-p28.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24357 Either the qeen flew back into the hive or away. If away, you might have to requeen unless they bring up another young queen themselves. Dave Kern a écrit dans le message : sg50315ll6e174@corp.supernews.com... > I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two > hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and arrived > on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was > raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I > hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > > Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her > cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull > the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free > her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but > before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. > The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to > compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where > the queen is. > > Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I have > a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > Article 24358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net> From: ThomBradley Reply-To: thombrad@visi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:09:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp02.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:09:52 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24358 Take the cover off. Shake the branch and dislodge the cluster into the super and put the lid back on. Leave an entrance and watch the others just march in. Thom "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > > Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are clumped to > the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (about 10 feet > away from the hive. I don't have another broodbox..just a honey super. I > set it out beside the swarm (it has 10 frames with foundation in it) this > morning. A few are on top of it but the swarm remains clumped to the tree > trunk. The bees remaining in my hive are acting weird. Several hundred are > out in front of the hive on the ground. What can I do? Respond to > mike88@triplet.net please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Article 24359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reversing new hive Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 2000 20:16:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000423161639.01452.00001567@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24359 I ran into something interesting with my new hives. I installed two hives on March 27th- both hives consisting of 2 medium boxes with Pierco sheets in wooden frames. They are coming along great, but then the unexpected. I didn't want to disturb them too much during this first month, so I refrained from taking the boxes apart and when I check them, I only looked at frames in the upper box. These frames were drawn beautifully and had the text book patterns of brood, pollen and nectar. Both hives were consuming approx. 46 oz. of 1:1 sugar syrup every 2-3 days. Yesterday, feeling froggy and confident with the Tulip Poplars really blooming well, I decided to check the bottom boxes. I am sure some of you are way ahead of the story. Not one cell in either hives' bottom boxes had been drawn. Nothing. All this time both hives had been concetrated in the second boxes. So I did the only thing I could think of, which as far as I know has never been mentioned with new hives- I reversed them. I peeked at them today and both are already drawing in the new top box so everything appears to be fine. Has anyone else ever ran into this? I assume that if these mediums had drawn comb that this would not have occurred, but as I am new to beekeeping, drawn combs were not an option. It just goes to show you that no matter how many books you read or how many people you talk to, something unexpected is bound to happen. This also seriously illustrates how bees are reluctant to move down. It also prompts me to think about using only deeps when hiving packages on foundation. Any comments are welcome. Todd Palmetto, GA Article 24360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 2000 20:29:17 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000423162917.24301.00001941@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24360 >The bees are going in and out of the hive now. The only thing weird is that >there are a lot of bees just hanging out outside. The other hive only has >the activity, no relaxing bees on top, on the sides, etc. I will wait until >next weekend and take a look. There's a chance that the queen landed on the outside and is too stupid to go in, hence the cluster around her. Gently put the cluster inside the hive. You might try scooping them with a sheet of paper. If the queen is there, and she's not hurt, you'll see eggs very soon. If you still don't see eggs, and the hive makes a loud fanning when you lightly smoke and open it, either combine as someone else suggested, or take a frame with eggs from the other hive and give it to them. Look for the queen before moving it (you don't want to switch queens) then lightly shake it over the original hive to make sure you don't transfer the queen. The frame of eggs will help hold the queenless bees from drifting off, and it will tell you for sure that they are queenless, as they will soon draw queen cells. You can also let them make their own queen, though they will be set back in the time it takes to do so. After bees have been without a queen or young brood for awhile, it is hard to get them to accept a queen. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news-out.nibble.net!news-in.nibble.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Wonderful" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:27:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24361 It's not that easy....the swarm has moved down to the bottom of the pine sapling. They extend from the ground up about 12 inches. I put the honeysuper next to the pine..raised the front about 1/2 inch..put a cardboard lid on it (don't have anything else). They haven't went into the box yet...don't know if they will..I sure hate to loose them..... "ThomBradley" wrote in message news:39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net... > Take the cover off. Shake the branch and dislodge the cluster into the > super and put the lid back on. Leave an entrance and watch the others > just march in. > > Thom > > "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > > > > Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are clumped to > > the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (about 10 feet > > away from the hive. I don't have another broodbox..just a honey super. I > > set it out beside the swarm (it has 10 frames with foundation in it) this > > morning. A few are on top of it but the swarm remains clumped to the tree > > trunk. The bees remaining in my hive are acting weird. Several hundred are > > out in front of the hive on the ground. What can I do? Respond to > > mike88@triplet.net please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Article 24362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shipping of Package Bees Part 2 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 2000 20:38:18 GMT References: <20000422065953.26790.00003444@ng-cg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000423163818.24301.00001943@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24362 >Can anyone one the list tell me the norm for shipment of package bees? I >ordered 2 packages from Texas and they were sent out on the 18th (Tuesday), >it >is now Friday and still no packages. I know that after leaving the producer, >the packages are at the mercy of the postal system, We've had queens in this spring from California, Georgia, and Florida. All have come priority mail and all but one have come in one or two days. One package of 100 queens took over a week; the PO was unable to track the tracking number, and about a third of the queens were dead in their cages. The sponge was totally dry. The queen breeder won't hazard a guess as to the viability of the live ones. It isn't supposed to happen, especially with priority mail. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:38:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8dvn5n$frk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 956522487 16244 62.136.14.50 (23 Apr 2000 20:41:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Apr 2000 20:41:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24363 Dave Kern wrote in message news:sg50315ll6e174@corp.supernews.com... > I > Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her > cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull > the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free > her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but > before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. ----------------------------------- I have had queens fly away on three occasions over the years. The first time was when I wanted to use the old queen (approx 2 years old) from one of my hives to re-queen one of our association's hives which was very bad tempered. The apiaries were approximately 400 yards apart with a row of houses between. I caught my old queen, put her in a cage and re-queened the hive, then drove around to the association apiary. The queen was not clipped and I thought that this would be a good opportunity to clip her; however, she had other ideas and took to the air - very slowly, as she was in full lay! She circled around and finally managed to climb above the houses, heading in the direction of the my apiary. I followed and found her back in her old hive; fortunately the newly introduced queen was still caged and they had not met! I caught her again, clipped her and introduced her into the association hive, where she spent the rest of her days. On two other occasions, I have taken new young queens from a mating apiary to introduce into hives in other apiaries - and had them take to the air. In both cases I watched and waited. Both queens returned within 15 minutes circling around and then landing near where they escaped - and I was able to drop a spare veil over them. So my advice would be to sit and wait patiently, keeping a sharp lookout,as all may not be lost after all - and next time, sit inside the car with the windows shut while you clip the queen! Article 24364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing new hive Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 2000 20:43:58 GMT References: <20000423161639.01452.00001567@ng-df1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000423164358.24301.00001944@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24364 From: spcherub@aol.com >Not one cell in either hives' >bottom boxes had been drawn. Nothing. All this time both hives had been >concetrated in the second boxes. So I did the only thing I could think of, >which as far as I know has never been mentioned with new hives- I reversed >them. I peeked at them today and both are already drawing in the new top box >so >everything appears to be fine. Has anyone else ever ran into this? You did the right thing. Bees generally draw foundation better when it's above them. Also watch the outside combs. If they aren't drawn quickly, move them to the center. Oftentimes they aren't drawn well, and the bees just mess them up when the honeyflow is over. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:47:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8dvneo$g0v$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 956522776 16415 62.136.14.50 (23 Apr 2000 20:46:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Apr 2000 20:46:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24365 Take a handful of long grass and brush them down on to the ground in front of the box - use smoke sparingly to prevent them going back up the tree. Alternatively, if you like a challenge, use smoke to spread them over the trunk, find the queen and put her in the box - the bees will follow. Mr. Wonderful wrote in message news:sg6n4tehl6e62@corp.supernews.com... > It's not that easy....the swarm has moved down to the bottom of the pine > sapling. They extend from the ground up about 12 inches. I put the > honeysuper next to the pine..raised the front about 1/2 inch..put a > cardboard lid on it (don't have anything else). They haven't went into the > box yet...don't know if they will..I sure hate to loose them..... > "ThomBradley" wrote in message > news:39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net... > > Take the cover off. Shake the branch and dislodge the cluster into the > > super and put the lid back on. Leave an entrance and watch the others > > just march in. > > > > Thom > > > > "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > > > > > > Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are clumped > to > > > the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (about 10 feet > > > away from the hive. I don't have another broodbox..just a honey super. > I > > > set it out beside the swarm (it has 10 frames with foundation in it) > this > > > morning. A few are on top of it but the swarm remains clumped to the > tree > > > trunk. The bees remaining in my hive are acting weird. Several hundred > are > > > out in front of the hive on the ground. What can I do? Respond to > > > mike88@triplet.net please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Article 24366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Eaglequest" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3901e3a3$1_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <_fKM4.451$18.91013@news-east.usenetserver.com> X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:51:54 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:46:23 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24366 See April 2000 "American Bee Journal" page 286......... -- Jake Ameel Good-Rich Apiaries Oxford, MI www.Good-Rich.com "Larry W" wrote in message news:3901e3a3$1_2@news.vic.com... > How about sumac poising of yourself from the smoke. I get poison oak or Ivy > or sumac poising (rash) everytime I get in the smoke from one of them being > burned. > > Larry > > "Eaglequest" wrote in message > news:lNfM4.4252$q8.9476005@news-east.usenetserver.com... > > We have been using Sumac flowers for years. Excellent smoke, stays lit and > > someone had told my partner it causes mite drop-off ( similar to tobacco > > claims). Gather in fall and let dry over winter, although fresh ones will > > burn too. > > > > Jake - Good-Rich Apiaries > > Oxford, MI > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Click here for Free Video!! > > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > > > wrote in message > > news:8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > I usually use a ball of newspaper (lit) with a big handful of pine > > > needles over that. Seems to work fairly well, but can easily go out. > > > Another option is to use the gray compressed stuff (cotton?) from > > > Dadant. I've never used it but a friend of mine has and says it lights > > > easily and burns slowly for a long time. Still another option, I've > > > heard of using the fluffly red blossoms from the tops of sumac. I > > > haven't tried it yet though. > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > Article 24367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Wonderful" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:09:16 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net> <8dvneo$g0v$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24367 I've tried brushing them down to the ground with my hand (gloved of course) but they crawl back up..now about half of them are clinging to the side of the super..half on the tree...can't tell which group the queen is in.....I have to go to work now...6pm to 6am..I'll check them in the morning when I get home...keep the suggestions coming! "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8dvneo$g0v$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > Take a handful of long grass and brush them down on to the ground in front > of the box - use smoke sparingly to prevent them going back up the tree. > Alternatively, if you like a challenge, use smoke to spread them over the > trunk, find the queen and put her in the box - the bees will follow. > > Mr. Wonderful wrote in message > news:sg6n4tehl6e62@corp.supernews.com... > > It's not that easy....the swarm has moved down to the bottom of the pine > > sapling. They extend from the ground up about 12 inches. I put the > > honeysuper next to the pine..raised the front about 1/2 inch..put a > > cardboard lid on it (don't have anything else). They haven't went into > the > > box yet...don't know if they will..I sure hate to loose them..... > > "ThomBradley" wrote in message > > news:39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net... > > > Take the cover off. Shake the branch and dislodge the cluster into the > > > super and put the lid back on. Leave an entrance and watch the others > > > just march in. > > > > > > Thom > > > > > > "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > > > > > > > > Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are > clumped > > to > > > > the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (about 10 > feet > > > > away from the hive. I don't have another broodbox..just a honey > super. > > I > > > > set it out beside the swarm (it has 10 frames with foundation in it) > > this > > > > morning. A few are on top of it but the swarm remains clumped to the > > tree > > > > trunk. The bees remaining in my hive are acting weird. Several > hundred > > are > > > > out in front of the hive on the ground. What can I do? Respond to > > > > mike88@triplet.net please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Article 24368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Wonderful" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:11:24 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net> <8dvneo$g0v$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24368 I can read this group at work tonight but can't respond back....something about using gov. equipment for personal use...please keep the suggestions coming... "Mr. Wonderful" wrote in message news:sg6pj7h9l6e35@corp.supernews.com... > I've tried brushing them down to the ground with my hand (gloved of course) > but they crawl back up..now about half of them are clinging to the side of > the super..half on the tree...can't tell which group the queen is in.....I > have to go to work now...6pm to 6am..I'll check them in the morning when I > get home...keep the suggestions coming! > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:8dvneo$g0v$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Take a handful of long grass and brush them down on to the ground in > front > > of the box - use smoke sparingly to prevent them going back up the tree. > > Alternatively, if you like a challenge, use smoke to spread them over the > > trunk, find the queen and put her in the box - the bees will follow. > > > > Mr. Wonderful wrote in message > > news:sg6n4tehl6e62@corp.supernews.com... > > > It's not that easy....the swarm has moved down to the bottom of the pine > > > sapling. They extend from the ground up about 12 inches. I put the > > > honeysuper next to the pine..raised the front about 1/2 inch..put a > > > cardboard lid on it (don't have anything else). They haven't went into > > the > > > box yet...don't know if they will..I sure hate to loose them..... > > > "ThomBradley" wrote in message > > > news:39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net... > > > > Take the cover off. Shake the branch and dislodge the cluster into the > > > > super and put the lid back on. Leave an entrance and watch the others > > > > just march in. > > > > > > > > Thom > > > > > > > > "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are > > clumped > > > to > > > > > the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (about 10 > > feet > > > > > away from the hive. I don't have another broodbox..just a honey > > super. > > > I > > > > > set it out beside the swarm (it has 10 frames with foundation in it) > > > this > > > > > morning. A few are on top of it but the swarm remains clumped to > the > > > tree > > > > > trunk. The bees remaining in my hive are acting weird. Several > > hundred > > > are > > > > > out in front of the hive on the ground. What can I do? Respond to > > > > > mike88@triplet.net please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:38:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3902818b_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956526743 nnrp-04:24048 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24369 In article , Dave Kern writes >Thanks! Do you think there is a chance the other queen will return? Maybe >I should wait a day or two and then do that? Anyway, thanks for the >feedback, I will try and double up. If she oriented to the hive you were beside (?) then she'd have gone back to it and you'd surely be able to tell by the bees behaviour and the presence of eggs. If they were marked differently you *might* tell if she'd gone into the other hive assuming it was near by and taken it over. The first is a reasonable possibility, even probability. -- James Kilty Article 24370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:50:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: <39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956526745 nnrp-04:24048 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24370 In article , Mr. Wonderful writes >It's not that easy....the swarm has moved down to the bottom of the pine >sapling. They extend from the ground up about 12 inches. I put the >honeysuper next to the pine..raised the front about 1/2 inch..put a >cardboard lid on it (don't have anything else). They haven't went into the >box yet...don't know if they will..I sure hate to loose them..... Or put a couple of handfuls of bees in the super. Good luck. You can always lift the super just higher than the cluster touching the tree. It does need a floor and without standard hive parts a little ingenuity is called for. I assume the super is full of frames with foundation or drawn comb. Don't forget that the swarm will expect the right size space and will need the large size brood chamber tomorrow or they might abscond when the scouts have found their new home. -- James Kilty Article 24371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage? Lines: 49 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:00:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956527207 12.72.48.31 (Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:00:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:00:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24371 Don't get too excited at this point. There is a high probability that she returned to the hive. Check for eggs in a couple of days. If you don't see any or can't find the queen. order a new one (expressed). When she arrives, move a frame of larva from the other hive and put it and the new queen (in her cage) in the queenless hive. Other possibility is to combine now and split later, but you need to make absolutely sure that the other hive is queenless. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Dave Kern" wrote in message news:sg50315ll6e174@corp.supernews.com... > I am new to beekeeping as will be apparent from my message. I set up two > hives and bought two packages of bees. They shipped on Tuesday and arrived > on Friday morning. I couldn't hive them on Friday evening because it was > raining. The weather was bad today, Saturday, but cleared by evening so I > hived them. It is supposed to be clear on Sunday, Easter. > > Now the issue. The first hive went well. There was no queen candy in her > cage, just a cork with only the queen in the cage. I read in a book to pull > the cork and put some marshmallow in the hole to give them something to free > her. It worked well. The second hive was the same. I pulled the cork but > before I could insert the marshmallow she flew out as fast as she could. > The hive is in to total disarray. I know because I have the other to > compare to. They don't seem to know what to do. I don't even know where > the queen is. > > Besides me totally messing up, what can I expect? Does anyone think I have > a chance with the second hive? Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > Article 24372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:02:28 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <390372F4.FF5A156F@club-internet.fr> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dqmtq$cis$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8dsom6$1lc$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <39021FFD.3319A8ED@club-internet.fr> <8dvcvj$ahd$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-40-185.wmar.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 956527632 30 213.44.40.185 (23 Apr 2000 22:07:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Apr 2000 22:07:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24372 Costing!!!!! How much time do you waste reloading a smoker and when it does run out of fuel it is always when the bees are at there worst!!- no doubt there will be somebody to say that the bees should not be worked when they are agitated- there have been seasons when rape honey has been collected under an umbrella (this year promises to be one such year- even though there is very little harvest after 4 weeks of continuous bad weather here in France and the rape flowers will be over in about 10 days)- am I in a good mood!, with the thought of another year of "Gaucho" in the sunflower fields.
At least your comment put a smile on my face- thanks
Peter Article 24373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390375A4.482AD7B@gte.net> From: roy chapman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-GTE_NC4 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm References: <39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net> <8dvneo$g0v$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 62 X-Trace: +Li/tVJSkvWOdE5nOD9pxHvmVJYMx5Oi8zrSILT3m0ryo80RJW/auFoI7TS8dUTvzRVNae1stYJY!25Zvlup1hpzKpCt9w5YgiZxK+GsVqNQiqopPbBmxdgN0cqZXlVfFt8H6XIg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:18:16 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:18:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24373 You might try mixing up a 1 to 1 sugar mix in a spray bottle and spray the frames and foundation and entrance with it. Smoke them down using smoke sparingly. I have had good luck with this method getting swarms off of tree branches and trunks to big to bend or shake. "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > I've tried brushing them down to the ground with my hand (gloved of course) > but they crawl back up..now about half of them are clinging to the side of > the super..half on the tree...can't tell which group the queen is in.....I > have to go to work now...6pm to 6am..I'll check them in the morning when I > get home...keep the suggestions coming! > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:8dvneo$g0v$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Take a handful of long grass and brush them down on to the ground in > front > > of the box - use smoke sparingly to prevent them going back up the tree. > > Alternatively, if you like a challenge, use smoke to spread them over the > > trunk, find the queen and put her in the box - the bees will follow. > > > > Mr. Wonderful wrote in message > > news:sg6n4tehl6e62@corp.supernews.com... > > > It's not that easy....the swarm has moved down to the bottom of the pine > > > sapling. They extend from the ground up about 12 inches. I put the > > > honeysuper next to the pine..raised the front about 1/2 inch..put a > > > cardboard lid on it (don't have anything else). They haven't went into > > the > > > box yet...don't know if they will..I sure hate to loose them..... > > > "ThomBradley" wrote in message > > > news:39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net... > > > > Take the cover off. Shake the branch and dislodge the cluster into the > > > > super and put the lid back on. Leave an entrance and watch the others > > > > just march in. > > > > > > > > Thom > > > > > > > > "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are > > clumped > > > to > > > > > the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (about 10 > > feet > > > > > away from the hive. I don't have another broodbox..just a honey > > super. > > > I > > > > > set it out beside the swarm (it has 10 frames with foundation in it) > > > this > > > > > morning. A few are on top of it but the swarm remains clumped to > the > > > tree > > > > > trunk. The bees remaining in my hive are acting weird. Several > > hundred > > > are > > > > > out in front of the hive on the ground. What can I do? Respond to > > > > > mike88@triplet.net please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Article 24374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Warning Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:52:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 73 Message-ID: <8e02ji$698$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3901e3a3$1_2@news.vic.com> <_fKM4.451$18.91013@news-east.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-14.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956534194 6440 62.136.18.14 (23 Apr 2000 23:56:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Apr 2000 23:56:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24374 Hi there, Despite the length of this thread I hope you are all still having a look at new posts. I have it on good advice from a fireman that many forms of corrugated board used in packaging have been treated with slow burn fire retardant that are generally considered so hazardous as to require the use of respirators. Apparently the smoke is both toxic and carcinogenic, (spelling?), so do please all be very careful if using it as smoker fuel. best wishes Freddie Cooke. Shropshire UK. Eaglequest wrote in message news:_fKM4.451$18.91013@news-east.usenetserver.com... > See April 2000 "American Bee Journal" page 286......... > > -- > Jake Ameel > Good-Rich Apiaries > Oxford, MI > www.Good-Rich.com > > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:3901e3a3$1_2@news.vic.com... > > How about sumac poising of yourself from the smoke. I get poison oak or > Ivy > > or sumac poising (rash) everytime I get in the smoke from one of them > being > > burned. > > > > Larry > > > > "Eaglequest" wrote in message > > news:lNfM4.4252$q8.9476005@news-east.usenetserver.com... > > > We have been using Sumac flowers for years. Excellent smoke, stays lit > and > > > someone had told my partner it causes mite drop-off ( similar to tobacco > > > claims). Gather in fall and let dry over winter, although fresh ones > will > > > burn too. > > > > > > Jake - Good-Rich Apiaries > > > Oxford, MI > > > > > > -- > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Click here for Free Video!! > > > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > > > > > wrote in message > > > news:8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > > I usually use a ball of newspaper (lit) with a big handful of pine > > > > needles over that. Seems to work fairly well, but can easily go out. > > > > Another option is to use the gray compressed stuff (cotton?) from > > > > Dadant. I've never used it but a friend of mine has and says it lights > > > > easily and burns slowly for a long time. Still another option, I've > > > > heard of using the fluffly red blossoms from the tops of sumac. I > > > > haven't tried it yet though. > > > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net> <8dvneo$g0v$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <390375A4.482AD7B@gte.net> Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:05:48 -0500 Lines: 97 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: prt05.fcbl.net Message-ID: <3903906f@mcisnewsm.newschoice.com> X-Trace: 23 Apr 2000 18:08:15 -0600, prt05.fcbl.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!den-news-01.qwest.net!qwest!mcisnewsm.newschoice.com!prt05.fcbl.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24375 I just got a 5lb swarm out of a small Maple tree today. It broke a 1" branch and they were attached to the trunk which was about 2" in diameter and down to and on the ground. I cut off the broken branch and a few smaller 1/8" branches and dumped them in a hive. I also shook the tree to dislodge what I could. I then sprayed them with sugar water and scooped them up with my hands and dropped them in the box.. There were so many I had to remove 2 frames so they could all get inside. After about 1/2 hour I smoked them off the top and scooped up the rest on the ground with my hands and dropped them in the box also. I also sprayed them again. About 1/2 hour later they all were in the box. I then put it on a cinder block and put 2 drawn frames in the hive one with stores. I also put a feeder top on the hive. I will move them tonight after dark. Larry "roy chapman" wrote in message news:390375A4.482AD7B@gte.net... > You might try mixing up a 1 to 1 sugar mix in a spray bottle and spray the > frames and foundation and entrance with it. Smoke them down using smoke > sparingly. I have had good luck with this method getting swarms off of tree > branches and trunks to big to bend or shake. > > "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > > > I've tried brushing them down to the ground with my hand (gloved of course) > > but they crawl back up..now about half of them are clinging to the side of > > the super..half on the tree...can't tell which group the queen is in.....I > > have to go to work now...6pm to 6am..I'll check them in the morning when I > > get home...keep the suggestions coming! > > > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > > message news:8dvneo$g0v$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > Take a handful of long grass and brush them down on to the ground in > > front > > > of the box - use smoke sparingly to prevent them going back up the tree. > > > Alternatively, if you like a challenge, use smoke to spread them over the > > > trunk, find the queen and put her in the box - the bees will follow. > > > > > > Mr. Wonderful wrote in message > > > news:sg6n4tehl6e62@corp.supernews.com... > > > > It's not that easy....the swarm has moved down to the bottom of the pine > > > > sapling. They extend from the ground up about 12 inches. I put the > > > > honeysuper next to the pine..raised the front about 1/2 inch..put a > > > > cardboard lid on it (don't have anything else). They haven't went into > > > the > > > > box yet...don't know if they will..I sure hate to loose them..... > > > > "ThomBradley" wrote in message > > > > news:39033C40.75105E5F@visi.net... > > > > > Take the cover off. Shake the branch and dislodge the cluster into the > > > > > super and put the lid back on. Leave an entrance and watch the others > > > > > just march in. > > > > > > > > > > Thom > > > > > > > > > > "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are > > > clumped > > > > to > > > > > > the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (about 10 > > > feet > > > > > > away from the hive. I don't have another broodbox..just a honey > > > super. > > > > I > > > > > > set it out beside the swarm (it has 10 frames with foundation in it) > > > > this > > > > > > morning. A few are on top of it but the swarm remains clumped to > > the > > > > tree > > > > > > trunk. The bees remaining in my hive are acting weird. Several > > > hundred > > > > are > > > > > > out in front of the hive on the ground. What can I do? Respond to > > > > > > mike88@triplet.net please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Westcan" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: Financial Services Available Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:43:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.251.161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 956544215 24.64.251.161 (Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:43:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:43:35 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture:4357 alt.agriculture.beef:2290 alt.agriculture.fruit:10071 alt.agriculture.misc:11819 sci.agriculture:42080 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24376 sci.agriculture.poultry:21684 WESTCAN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CORP. / WESTGEM SECURITIES CORP. 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Westcan Business Development Corp. 265-16 Midlake Blvd. SE Calgary, Alberta Canada T2X 2X7 Canada Toll Free: (888) 447-3276 Bus: (403) 201-7713 Fax: (403) 201-7719 Internet: http://www.westcan.ab.ca Email: info@westcan.ab.ca Article 24377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "THE WHITNEY'S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Entrance feeder & reducer Lines: 16 Organization: MO MONEY X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:08:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.166.194.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 956545728 208.166.194.252 (Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:08:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:08:48 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24377 I'm Looking for some help on setting up the entrance reducer for a first time hive ( and a first time beekeeper). The bee's are only day's away! I noticed that the entrance feeder is the same size as the opening for the 4" entrance. How do the bee's get past the feeder. I have a standard Dadant hive with a entrance reducer with three options. 3/4" 4" or nothing. What is the best way to set up the entrance reducer for a new hive, taking in mind I have a entrance feeder. About to be stung and I can't wait Thanks Tom W. Article 24378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!test-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen flew out of her cage - now the hive is empty! Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:09:50 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Dave Kern" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24378 I posted the earlier message about the queen escaping her cage and flying away. This evening I didn't see much activity at the entrance like the other hive started yesterday so I cracked the back of the hive for a quick peak. The hive is completely empty. So, either they all took off or they joined the other hive. I am thinking it was the a joining. But, there is no sign of a battle. I did notice late in the morning the hive with a queen had bees in front fanning to the sky announcing their presence. That was the same as the night before when I put them in the hive (the one with queen intact). I don't know if the queen returned to the hive, the same hive with the other queen in her cage or if they took off? She didn't have much time to orient herself in that I hadn't even let her workers out when she took off. Did I do wrong by hiving both colonies right next to each other on the same day? Well, I will either buy another package of bees or wait and just buy a queen and do a split. Any suggestions? Thanks for all the help. Dave Article 24379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: spanish beekeepers protest Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:19:54 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24379 Tuesday April 18 12:30 PM ET Spanish Beekeepers Fight Hive Rule VALENCIA, Spain (AP) - Beekeepers in white jumpsuits and meshed headgear on Tuesday protested a new policy they say saps their ability to make prized orange-blossom honey. Organizers said some 500 apiarists protested outside the Agriculture Ministry of the regional government of Valencia, Spain's top citrus-growing region. Ministry officials put the number at around 100. The protesters are angry over a decree passed in March under which they must move their beehives at least 3 miles from any citrus grove. Agriculture officials say this will help prevent bees from transporting pollen from one strain of seedless tangerine tree to a different but compatible strain of tree. The result is fruit with seeds and considerably less market value. Valencia beekeepers produce 20 million pounds of honey per year. Sixty percent of their production comes from orange blossoms. They say bees are just being bees when they cross-pollinate and should not be blamed for the seed dilemma. Rather, the problem is sloppy distribution of varied tree strains within Valencia's groves, the protesters said. ``It is chaotic, an absolute mosaic,'' said Enrique Simo, a biologist for Unio-COAG, an association of Spanish farmers and ranchers. ``No one in the government even has a map of what is growing where.'' Article 24380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long to get queen and eggs Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:55:13 -0500 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.84 Message-ID: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 24 Apr 2000 00:51:11 -0400, 208.24.176.84 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.84 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24380 How long should I wait before expecting to see eggs in a queenless hive, which I gave some eggs to develop a queen? Is there anything else I should do? It has plenty of stores. AND IS MEAN. Thanks Larry Article 24381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> From: "S. R. Jones" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mean Bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Spire Technologies Cache-Post-Path: gaspra.spiretech.com!unknown@h43.agalis.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 33 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:10:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.200.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 956553011 207.173.200.229 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:10:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:10:11 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24381 I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particulary mean. Of the 7 times I've been stung this year, 6 have been directly attributable to this one hive. Although it has taught me to be extra careful in wearing protective gear, I'm looking for a good way to calm the meanest of bees long enough for me to requeen with gentle stock. I'd really hope to wait untill the fall (to requeen) but I need to do something with this one now. The question(s): What can I do to keep an easily-provoked-to-attack colony from going into attack mode? In an old beekeeping book, I read that if you put ammonium nitrate into a hot smoker it will produce NO2 (Nitrous Oxide aka laughing gas) which is supposed to calm mean bees. Has anyone actually done this? I've also heard that spraying them down with warm water (or sugar water) could help??? Some more background information: Trying to make sure that it wasn't me doing something wrong, I have... a) made sure I have clean clothing/gloves/equipment. b) given the right amount of smoke (not too much or too little) c) been extra gentle in handling. The seem to be easily provoked if _anything_ is abrubtly jarred. Thanks in advance -SRJ Article 24382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:44:42 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-10.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 956558690 81099 207.229.151.10 (24 Apr 2000 06:44:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2000 06:44:50 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24382 > What is the best way to set up the entrance reducer for a new hive, taking > in mind I have a entrance feeder. Start by throwing out the entrance feeder. Now you don't have the dilemma. Next, get yourself a quart mason jar with lid, take an ice pick to the lid just enough to puncture the tin (small holes). Mix up some syrup (1 part sugar to 2 parts water I think, as I never feed in spring) and fill up the jar. If you couldn't quite get up the courage to throw the entrance feeder away, place it on the inner cover right next to the hole in the middle and invert your jar into it or you can just place the jar right over the hole and it will still leave a bee space on either side of the jar provided it's a small mouth or set it on a couple of strips of wood that are at least 3/8" thick so the bees can get under it. Now put an empty super or brood box around it, put the outer cover on and you got it made. Check in a day or two and you will probably find it about gone. Regards, Barry -- Webmeister www.BeeSource.com Article 24383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <04UM4.12$Fz7.354399@news.interact.net.au> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:02:00 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 956566908 203.37.7.92 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:01:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:01:48 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:01:48 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24383 If you've got other hives with brood frames, then some of them should be drawing queen cells, it might be quicker to put a frame with a drawn queen cell. for dates/times they are as follows EGG LARVAE PUPAE Hatched Queen cell 3 5.5 7.5 16 DRONE 3 6.5 14.5 24 Worker 3 6 12 21 hatched time varies slightly because of food, temp and Hive strength Larry W wrote in message news:3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com... > How long should I wait before expecting to see eggs in a queenless hive, > which I gave some eggs to develop a queen? Is there anything else I should > do? It has plenty of stores. AND IS MEAN. > > Thanks > > Larry > > Article 24384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <390413A7.B080E813@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:28:08 +0100 From: theorganloft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bracing Queen Cells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: useraf83.netscapeonline.co.uk X-Trace: 24 Apr 2000 09:30:16 GMT, useraf83.netscapeonline.co.uk Lines: 12 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@netscapeonline.co.uk Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!plato.netscapeonline.co.uk!useraf83.netscapeonline.co.uk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24384 I am raising queens this year (for the first time) and have got very nicely to the stage of having larvae in cell cups suspended on frame bars. The bees started to develop the queen cells but once they were finished they braced them over making it nigh on impossible to get the hair roller cages over the cells to protect them. What, if anything, am I doing wrong? Many thanks Stephen R Alliss Article 24385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!3logic.net!not-for-mail From: "Radan" Newsgroups: news.admin.agriculture,news.admin.agriculture.fruit,news.agriculture,news.agriculture.beekeeping,news.agriculture.fruit,news.agriculture.jojoba,news.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.aquaculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.a Subject: Ukrainian company is looking for american and european vegetable seeds producers for mutual benefit cooperation Date: 24 Apr 2000 04:52:33 GMT Organization: TriLogiC Group, Ltd. 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E-mail: radan@tlc.kherson.ua Article 24386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Apr 2000 10:33:14 GMT References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000424063314.28150.00002776@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24386 > I'm looking for a good way to calm the meanest >of bees long enough for me to requeen with gentle stoc use plenty of smoke !!! spray a little sugar water on them. wait a few sec after smoking, let it circulate good first. wear layers of clothing, and just git it done Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 24387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3904657D.2965EE5E@bellsouth.net> From: Michael Franklin Reply-To: msfranklin@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F8F563A775CD0AC14BED105E" Lines: 68 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:17:19 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.214.49 X-Trace: news1.atl 956589462 216.77.214.49 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:17:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:17:42 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24387 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F8F563A775CD0AC14BED105E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe I just have extremely passive hives, but I've only been stung once this season, and it was my own fault. I agree. Suit up and get it done. It'll make the rest of the season a lot more bearable. Michael "S. R. Jones" wrote: > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particulary mean. Of > the 7 times I've been stung this year, 6 have been directly attributable > to this one hive. Although it has taught me to be extra careful in > wearing protective gear, I'm looking for a good way to calm the meanest > of bees long enough for me to requeen with gentle stock. I'd really > hope to wait untill the fall (to requeen) but I need to do something > with this one now. > > The question(s): > > What can I do to keep an easily-provoked-to-attack colony from going > into attack mode? > > In an old beekeeping book, I read that if you put ammonium nitrate into > a hot smoker it will produce NO2 (Nitrous Oxide aka laughing gas) which > is supposed to calm mean bees. Has anyone actually done this? > > I've also heard that spraying them down with warm water (or sugar water) > could help??? > > Some more background information: Trying to make sure that it wasn't me > doing something wrong, I have... > a) made sure I have clean clothing/gloves/equipment. > b) given the right amount of smoke (not too much or too little) > c) been extra gentle in handling. The seem to be easily provoked if > _anything_ is abrubtly jarred. > > Thanks in advance > > -SRJ --------------F8F563A775CD0AC14BED105E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="msfx.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michael Franklin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="msfx.vcf" begin:vcard n:Franklin;Michael tel;cell:(954) 829-9705 tel;home:(954) 567-1705 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;117 NE 21st Court;Wilton Manors;FL;33305; version:2.1 email;internet:msfx@bellsouth.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Michael Franklin end:vcard --------------F8F563A775CD0AC14BED105E-- Article 24388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Subject: Re: Mean Bees Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:04:03 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 956567032 203.37.7.92 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:03:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:03:52 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:03:52 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24388 I don't know if I'm reading your message right, but I'm thinking ( mine will sting me 5-10 times per day average, 15-20+ if I'm requeening) that your bees aren't mean at all S. R. Jones wrote in message news:3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com... > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particulary mean. Of > the 7 times I've been stung this year, 6 have been directly attributable > to this one hive. Although it has taught me to be extra careful in > wearing protective gear, I'm looking for a good way to calm the meanest > of bees long enough for me to requeen with gentle stock. I'd really > hope to wait untill the fall (to requeen) but I need to do something > with this one now. > > The question(s): > > What can I do to keep an easily-provoked-to-attack colony from going > into attack mode? > > In an old beekeeping book, I read that if you put ammonium nitrate into > a hot smoker it will produce NO2 (Nitrous Oxide aka laughing gas) which > is supposed to calm mean bees. Has anyone actually done this? > > I've also heard that spraying them down with warm water (or sugar water) > could help??? > > > > Some more background information: Trying to make sure that it wasn't me > doing something wrong, I have... > a) made sure I have clean clothing/gloves/equipment. > b) given the right amount of smoke (not too much or too little) > c) been extra gentle in handling. The seem to be easily provoked if > _anything_ is abrubtly jarred. > > Thanks in advance > > -SRJ > Article 24389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <390413A7.B080E813@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: Bracing Queen Cells Lines: 37 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:04:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956599465 12.72.50.108 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:04:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:04:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24389 Laidlaws "Contemporary Queen Rearing" has a photo of what you describe with the caption: "Sealed queen cells may become 'webbed' with comb because of a lack of storage space for incoming nectar or syrup". The text goes on: "In fact, all colonies involved in queen rearing should be fed continuously unless nectar is being gathered in sufficient quantity for the bees to build comb. Colonies that are being fed heavily should always be supplied with an empty comb that is replaced regularly. If webbing of the queen cells occurs, or excessive burr comb is built, a frame of foundation put into the hive usually alleviates the problem" -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "theorganloft" wrote in message news:390413A7.B080E813@netscapeonline.co.uk... > I am raising queens this year (for the first time) and have got very > nicely to the stage of having larvae in cell cups suspended on frame > bars. The bees started to develop the queen cells but once they were > finished they braced them over making it nigh on impossible to get the > hair roller cages over the cells to protect them. What, if anything, > am I doing wrong? > > Many thanks > > Stephen R Alliss > > Article 24390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Apr 2000 10:38:16 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000424063816.28150.00002777@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24390 >Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are clumped to >the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (a shoot the damn thing with a shotgun about center or where the most bees are, the queen will be killed and the rest will go back home or pick through them and kill the queen the rest will go back home Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 24391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:00:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <39041ac2.36022671@news1.radix.net> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24391 On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:10:11 GMT, "S. R. Jones" wrote: >I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particulary mean. Of >the 7 times I've been stung this year, 6 have been directly attributable >to this one hive. Although it has taught me to be extra careful in >wearing protective gear, I'm looking for a good way to calm the meanest >of bees long enough for me to requeen with gentle stock. I'd really >hope to wait untill the fall (to requeen) but I need to do something >with this one now. > >The question(s): > > What can I do to keep an easily-provoked-to-attack colony from going >into attack mode? > >In an old beekeeping book, I read that if you put ammonium nitrate into >a hot smoker it will produce NO2 (Nitrous Oxide aka laughing gas) which >is supposed to calm mean bees. Has anyone actually done this? > >I've also heard that spraying them down with warm water (or sugar water) >could help??? > > > >Some more background information: Trying to make sure that it wasn't me >doing something wrong, I have... >a) made sure I have clean clothing/gloves/equipment. >b) given the right amount of smoke (not too much or too little) >c) been extra gentle in handling. The seem to be easily provoked if >_anything_ is abrubtly jarred. > >Thanks in advance > >-SRJ > It sounds like they are just bees being bees. They probably sense your fear. If you are afraid of a few stings, perhaps you should look for another hobby. Greg the beekeep Article 24392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail From: "Ray Banks" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: LIGURIAN BEES Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:26:11 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.184.101 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 956575247 139.134.184.101 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:20:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:20:47 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24392 HELLO EVERYONE! I AM IN CENTRAL QUEENSLAND, AUSTRALIA & AM LOOKING FOR INFO ON THE ABOVE SPECIES. WHERE IT ORIGINATES FROM, WHAT IT'S PLACE IN BEEKEEPING IS ( IF ANY ) AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANYONE WITH THIS SPECIES IN AUSTRALIA. ANYONE INTERESTED CAN EMAIL ME ON bankse@bigpond.com. thanks, Ray. Article 24393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Lines: 45 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:04:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956599464 12.72.50.108 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:04:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:04:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24393 Possible uses for an entrance reducer: 1. Put it under the back of the bottom board to give the hive a forward tilt. 2. Put it under the edge of a telescopic cover for ventilation. 3. Split it and use it as tinder to start your smoker. 4. Use it to stir paint. In short, don't use it. If you are installing a package and just want to reduce the entrance temporarily, stuff it with some grass. Possible uses for an entrance feeder: Uh...anybody got any ideas? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "THE WHITNEY'S" wrote in message news:4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net... > > I'm Looking for some help on setting up the entrance reducer for a first > time hive ( and a first time beekeeper). The bee's are only day's away! > > I noticed that the entrance feeder is the same size as the opening for the > 4" entrance. How do the bee's get past the feeder. I have a standard Dadant > hive with a entrance reducer with three options. 3/4" 4" or nothing. > > What is the best way to set up the entrance reducer for a new hive, taking > in mind I have a entrance feeder. > > About to be stung and I can't wait > > Thanks Tom W. > > Article 24394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Lines: 28 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:04:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956599464 12.72.50.108 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:04:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:04:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24394 I am assuming you gave then a frame with eggs and larva. With this assumption and assuming also that the frame contained larva approximately 24 - 48 hours old (about 5 days after laying), a new queen should hatch in about 11 days. Add another 7 - 10 before she mates and you are looking at 3 - 4 weeks before you see eggs. Of course your weather could completely screw this up. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Larry W" wrote in message news:3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com... > How long should I wait before expecting to see eggs in a queenless hive, > which I gave some eggs to develop a queen? Is there anything else I should > do? It has plenty of stores. AND IS MEAN. > > Thanks > > Larry > > Article 24395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Wonderful" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:19:31 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20000424063816.28150.00002777@ng-ft1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24395 I was able to get another hive body and the other parts needed to make a complete hive from another beekeeper. I set up the hive as close to the tree as I could and started moving bees to the new hive. I moved about 3/4 of them until they got really pissed at me and started to sting...I got hit once...no problem. Only 1/4 remain huddled at the base of the tree about 3 feet away from the hive. The others have taken to the hive like it was their long lost house. The hive has ten frames already drawn out and ten not drawn out. It's too windy and rainy right now to mess with the rest of the bees. Maybe they'll go on over to the hive with the rest of the group.. "Hk1BeeMan" wrote in message news:20000424063816.28150.00002777@ng-ft1.aol.com... > >Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are clumped to > >the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (a > > shoot the damn thing with a shotgun about center or where the most bees are, > the queen will be killed and the rest will go back home > or pick through them and kill the queen the rest will go back home > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Article 24396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Apr 2000 20:10:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000424161054.29593.00002155@nso-fx.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24396 In article , "George Styer" writes: > >Possible uses for an entrance feeder: > whittle them into whistles during the winter. Article 24397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: LIGURIAN BEES Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:49:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956617259 nnrp-08:21174 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24397 In article , Ray Banks writes >HELLO EVERYONE! I AM IN CENTRAL QUEENSLAND, AUSTRALIA & AM LOOKING FOR INFO >ON THE ABOVE SPECIES. >WHERE IT ORIGINATES FROM, WHAT IT'S PLACE IN BEEKEEPING IS ( IF ANY ) AND >WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANYONE WITH THIS SPECIES IN AUSTRALIA. ANYONE >INTERESTED CAN EMAIL ME ON bankse@bigpond.com. apis mellifera ligustica the so called Italian bee (from N Italy). It is the bee of choice (not me) in most parts of the world including Oz and NZ. Most of the beekeepers locally probably have it. -- James Kilty Article 24398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Apr 2000 23:13:19 GMT References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000424191319.25537.00003450@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24398 An entrance feeder is just more crap they put into beginners kits so that they can learn about robbing first hand. (there is a rumor that they work in the south) The entrance reducer is good to keep under the telescope lid to provide ventillation. If you keep it in the front under the lid then water runs off the back of the lid and not on the landing area. After the robbing starts you can put it in the bottom board again on it's smallest opening. Did you know duragilt makes good fire starters? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:42:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 956626967 4.33.104.136 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:42:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:42:47 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24399 "Carman" wrote: >Just heard on the news that the NZ beekeepers Association is recommending >the destruction of all Bees in the Varroa mite exclusion zone, which takes >in a big area. New Zealand is fortunate to be in a position to learn from the experiences in Europe and North America about varroa. Destroying hives with varroa is the most useless bit of beekeeping advice I've heard since the Texas Department of Agriculture established a quarantine zone for Africanized bees (the bees didn't obey). There may be some merit to the illusion that somebody is doing something about the problem but, unless there is 100% control of feral bees and swarming, it is almost certainly doomed to failure. On what basis is such advice given? Sorry to learn about the NZ mite problem, but best to face facts, learn from other regions, and deal with it accordingly. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apistan strips Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:03:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24400 tomarrow i am going to put the apistan strips in. Detroit mich has been either to cold or rainy in the last 2 weeks to open it up any earlier. that six weeks without putting a super on, did i screw up? svcorbin@usol.com Article 24401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39051C6B.D08AD481@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> From: "S. R. Jones" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <39041ac2.36022671@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Spire Technologies Cache-Post-Path: gaspra.spiretech.com!unknown@h41.agalis.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:17:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.200.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 956636256 207.173.200.229 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:17:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:17:36 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24401 > > It sounds like they are just bees being bees. They probably sense > your fear. If you are afraid of a few stings, perhaps you should look > for another hobby. > > Greg the beekeep Ouch...now THAT stings! Gee Greg, I think all that apitherapy has made you a little too venomous :) I don't plan on giving up beekeeping anytime time, nor do worry about the relatively few stings I do get. But that doesn't mean I have to like it....Thanks for the words of encouragement. Article 24402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 500 Mated Italian Queens Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:02:11 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8e3qbb$6u86$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-28.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 956656811 227590 209.130.165.28 (25 Apr 2000 10:00:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2000 10:00:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24402 Need buyer(s) for beautiful, healthy, mated Italian queens (ready to go!!!)...will ship. If anyone is interested--please e.mail me. Thanks! --Busybee Article 24403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39053887.FCC55CB7@losch.net> From: Kanel Reply-To: kanel@losch.net Organization: Losch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wild honey bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:19:30 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:17:43 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24403 wild bees are back Two years ago I had hives in my yard that I was forced to move out into the country, and today I saw wild bees in my wifes flowers. no mites in my bees Bee Fuddled Article 24404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!sea-feed.news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smoker storage (was Perfect Smoke?) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:53:13 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3904B439.B8AA3734@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24404 Michael Palmer wrote: >Be careful with burlap. When it looks like the fire is out, it isn't. I >know an inspector who burned up his car because the burlap wasn't >completely out. This made me think of a tip I've got for storing your smoker. I have a metal container that originally held popcorn. It is esentially a big tin can with a tight fitting telescoping lid. It is about 10 in. diameter and 11 in. tall. If I squeeze the bellows, my smoker fits in it nicely. I put the can in a plastic bucket, strapped down in the bed of my pickup. (This protects it from getting dented up.) Anyway, I've used this for two or three years without a problem. I put the lit smoker in the can and in less than 15 minutes, it's out. If I need to drive just a few minutes to another hive, I can transport the smoker this way and still get it going again without re-lighting it. Paul Article 24405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3904BC73.8E253E@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:29:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp35.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:29:06 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24405 George Styer wrote: > > Possible uses for an entrance reducer: > > 1. Put it under the back of the bottom board to give the hive a forward > tilt. > 2. Put it under the edge of a telescopic cover for ventilation. > 3. Split it and use it as tinder to start your smoker. > 4. Use it to stir paint. > > In short, don't use it. If you are installing a package and just want to > reduce the entrance temporarily, stuff it with some grass. > > Possible uses for an entrance feeder: > > Uh...anybody got any ideas? > -- > Geo Yeah, I use an entrance feeder for water. We get drought conditions here in July and August. Giving water at the entrance won't start robbing but will keep them out of the neighbors pool. I keep 3 or 4 here in my backyard for honey production and my own enjoyment. The jars are easily visible from my kitchen window and serve to keep my one Pain In The A$$ (PITA) neighbor out of my hair. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Article 24406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:16:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e3li2$17d$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956665202 nnrp-01:4812 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24406 In article <8e3li2$17d$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >Thank you John, Peter and James Kilty for your thoughts on this matter, i >have copied all comments to microsoft .... we have a meeting on Thursday >so i daresay we'll get some more information then. You are welcome. I wonder if you can get the email addresses of the Committee and officials and Members of Parliament interested in the case and post them here. Your fellow groupies can send their own carefully considered arguments *in a style they might listen to* to each one. References to Conferences and the like might be persuasive. -- James Kilty Article 24407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3904C071.D233E90B@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smoker storage (was Perfect Smoke?) References: <3904B439.B8AA3734@ims.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:46:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp35.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:46:09 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24407 I got a cinder block (the kind that looks like 2 hollow squares stuck together) and broke off half to use for weighting a hive cover. I placed the hollow half in the bed of my truck and stick the smoker in the middle. The smoker is suspended above the bed. Cinder blocks do not conduct heat and are heavy enough not to shift around and tip over. Thom Paul Petty wrote: > > Michael Palmer wrote: > > >Be careful with burlap. When it looks like the fire is out, it isn't. I > > >know an inspector who burned up his car because the burlap wasn't > >completely out. > > This made me think of a tip I've got for storing your smoker. I have a > metal container that originally held popcorn. It is esentially a big > tin can with a tight fitting telescoping lid. It is about 10 in. > diameter and 11 in. tall. If I squeeze the bellows, my smoker fits in > it nicely. I put the can in a plastic bucket, strapped down in the bed > of my pickup. (This protects it from getting dented up.) Anyway, I've > used this for two or three years without a problem. I put the lit > smoker in the can and in less than 15 minutes, it's out. If I need to > drive just a few minutes to another hive, I can transport the smoker > this way and still get it going again without re-lighting it. > > Paul Article 24408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:54:00 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3904C278.D84084C7@club-internet.fr> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-52-227.wmar.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 956613525 4195 213.44.52.227 (24 Apr 2000 21:58:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2000 21:58:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24408 Bonjour,
This, if it is true, to my way of thinking total destruction be a total waste of time and effort.
The mite will be in areas as yet undetected, therefore the so called "cleaned areas" will be re-infested within a short period of time- look at the population dynamics of "weeds"- leave a space and do what you might, there will be re-infestation. The mite is an opportunist, exploding populations(acute) whilst the going is good, eventually arriving at a level that is chronic. The theory is control by total eradication, just like the pesticide treatment for commercial crops- but there are still aphids even though they are treated against every season.
Now you have got them- learn to live with them via chemical or biological control
Regards
Peter Article 24409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!195.238.2.15!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:41:11 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8e2lcp$dob$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds93.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 956618969 14091 62.188.6.199 (24 Apr 2000 23:29:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2000 23:29:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24409 Make it easier by kitting up, waking up to the hive and lifting the whole thing in one swift move to a few yards away. Now put an unoccupied hive in its place - better with a frame of brood (but no bees) taken from a calm hive - and go and have a cup of coffee. They rush about looking for you but you are away. Later, when the bulk of the fliers are in your new box, you stand a better chance of requeening and not so many bees to look through. Fewer bees always means less agressive, in my experience. To reduce a stock even more, move it to one side first time, just a couple of yards, then to the other side of the new box in a few days, then back again, etc. Each time more bees go into the new box. Martin. S. R. Jones wrote in message news:3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com... > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particulary mean. Of > The question(s): > > What can I do to keep an easily-provoked-to-attack colony from going > into attack mode? > > Thanks in advance > > -SRJ > Article 24410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3904E88B.478B0E8E@istar.ca> From: Simon de Vet Reply-To: sdevet@istar.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:36:27 -0300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 154.5.34.218 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 956622405 154.5.34.218 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:26:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:26:45 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24410 S. R. Jones wrote: > In an old beekeeping book, I read that if you put ammonium nitrate into > a hot smoker it will produce NO2 (Nitrous Oxide aka laughing gas) which > is supposed to calm mean bees. Has anyone actually done this? I can't get the image of a hiveful of laughing bees out of my mind. What's worse, mean bees or sarcastic bees? Simon Article 24411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3904EFAA.4787D961@together.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:06:50 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bracing Queen Cells References: <390413A7.B080E813@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-154-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 24 Apr 2000 21:12:55 -0500, dial-154-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 21 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!novia!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-154-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24411 By bracing, do you mean webbing? Probably there is a good flow on, or you are feeding the cell builder. The bees want to build comb, and your cell bars are the best open space they have. Try giving them some foundation to draw out instead. Mike theorganloft wrote: > I am raising queens this year (for the first time) and have got very > nicely to the stage of having larvae in cell cups suspended on frame > bars. The bees started to develop the queen cells but once they were > finished they braced them over making it nigh on impossible to get the > hair roller cages over the cells to protect them. What, if anything, > am I doing wrong? > > Many thanks > > Stephen R Alliss Article 24412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:38:18 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p102.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 956610876 23571 203.96.192.102 (24 Apr 2000 21:14:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2000 21:14:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24412 Greetings all Just heard on the news that the NZ beekeepers Association is recommending the destruction of all Bees in the Varroa mite exclusion zone, which takes in a big area. Carman Article 24413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:40:12 -0500 Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.59 Message-ID: <3904cc5a_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 24 Apr 2000 18:36:10 -0400, 208.24.176.59 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.59 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24413 George. Your assumptions are correct I gave them 2 frames with eggs, larva and capped brood. Also some stores. I put the nuc about 20 feet away so all the workers went back to the old hive. I just wanted to know the time schedule so I know what to look for and when. The weather is fine and the honey flow just started and yesterday I got a 5lb or larger swarm to go with my queenless hive and the nuc. Thanks Larry "George Styer" wrote in message news:I00N4.32883$WF.1504948@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I am assuming you gave then a frame with eggs and larva. With this > assumption and assuming also that the frame contained larva approximately > 24 - 48 hours old (about 5 days after laying), a new queen should hatch in > about 11 days. Add another 7 - 10 before she mates and you are looking at > 3 - 4 weeks before you see eggs. Of course your weather could completely > screw this up. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com... > > How long should I wait before expecting to see eggs in a queenless hive, > > which I gave some eggs to develop a queen? Is there anything else I should > > do? It has plenty of stores. AND IS MEAN. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > > > Article 24414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39050F8D.A4601F07@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <8e2lcp$dob$1@lure.pipex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:23:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:23:41 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24414 Good idea, Pam. Let's add to it. Suit up and after dark place, close off the entrances with screen with a long string attached and move the colony a few feet or more. Follow the rest of the suggestion. Moving it at dark should be a little easier. Give it a little while then go back and pull the string and remove the screen. The foragers will return to the old hive location by the afternoon and the young nurse bees will be much more docile. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Pamela Buckle wrote: > > Make it easier by kitting up, waking up to the hive and lifting the whole > thing in one swift move to a few yards away. Now put an unoccupied hive in > its place - better with a frame of brood (but no bees) taken from a calm > hive - and go and have a cup of coffee. They rush about looking for you but > you are away. Later, when the bulk of the fliers are in your new box, you > stand a better chance of requeening and not so many bees to look through. > Fewer bees always means less agressive, in my experience. > To reduce a stock even more, move it to one side first time, just a couple > of yards, then to the other side of the new box in a few days, then back > again, etc. Each time more bees go into the new box. > Martin. > S. R. Jones wrote in message > news:3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com... > > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particulary mean. Of > > The question(s): > > > > What can I do to keep an easily-provoked-to-attack colony from going > > into attack mode? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > -SRJ > > Article 24415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390596C7.BE1D19C3@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 X-Trace: /KHlxIYFO9+rHBUkIS+ZTvpD1o22+uIjRmdQfiJr9QNvastMWmsdl9+hBs/Hrp8Pcq0pi2ganoOX!cq1RemY0Mnix00AtaWXsoX2y0HPHlnP8NVCJ7v9e3VPef9X0l/imKtCLCSgucqxd9kSuELNf X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:01:48 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:01:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24415 "Mr. Wonderful" wrote: > > Help!!!!!!!!!!! My hive swarmed yesterday! A gazillion bees are clumped to > the trunk of a pine sapling about 6 inches off the ground (about 10 feet > away from the hive. I don't have another broodbox..just a honey super. I > set it out beside the swarm (it has 10 frames with foundation in it) this > morning. A few are on top of it but the swarm remains clumped to the tree > trunk. The bees remaining in my hive are acting weird. Several hundred are > out in front of the hive on the ground. What can I do? Respond to > mike88@triplet.net please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had my first swarm Easter Sunday. The first time, I opened the hive, which was about 20 feet from the swarm, I took a 5-gallon bucket to the swarm, shook them into it and poured them into the hive. I thought that all was well. I checked a little later, and the hive was empty. They had swarmed again about 30 feet from where they landed previously. I spread a sheet under them, set the hive on the sheet with the opening just below them and shook them onto the sheet. Within seconds, they were all parading into the hive. At dusk, I moved the hive back to its stand and swapped a brood frame for one with foundation from an established hive. Yesterday, they were doing fine, except that the weather was very bad (heavy rain). Since they can't go for food, I installed an entrance feeder. My first attempt! I know that some swarms get away, so I was lucky (this time). Louise Article 24416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Subject: Re: Mean Bees Lines: 21 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:32:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956637129 12.72.50.164 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:32:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:32:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24416 I think Timothy McVey and Terry Nicols tried this, only the packed a van full of it and parked it in front of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City. I don't recall that it had any effect on bees. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "S. R. Jones" wrote in message news:3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com... > > In an old beekeeping book, I read that if you put ammonium nitrate into > a hot smoker it will produce NO2 (Nitrous Oxide aka laughing gas) which > is supposed to calm mean bees. Has anyone actually done this? > Article 24417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> <20000424191319.25537.00003450@ng-ff1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Lines: 18 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:32:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956637129 12.72.50.164 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:32:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:32:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24417 Only if the bees haven't chewed off the wax. I suppose the California Air Resources Board would frown on burning plastic. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000424191319.25537.00003450@ng-ff1.aol.com... > > Did you know duragilt makes good fire starters? Article 24418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> Subject: Re: apistan strips Lines: 29 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:32:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956637130 12.72.50.164 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:32:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:32:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24418 Not sure what your local flow is like but if it is a short flow in the spring then you will miss it. If you are willing to forgo the crop, you still need to be concerned with the overcrowding you will undoubtedly cause. Your bees will want to swarm right before a flow and if they are crowded it will be difficult for you to control. Why are you treating now? Have you detected a level of mites that you feel threatens the hive? If you treated in the Fall, you can probably skip it until after the spring flow. I only treat once/year Oct 1 through Thanksgiving. Because of all the citrus, almonds, and stone fruits we have here I would miss too much if I tried to treat even as early as February -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "shelley corbin" wrote in message news:3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com... > tomarrow i am going to put the apistan strips in. Detroit mich has been > either to cold or rainy in the last 2 weeks to open it up any earlier. > that six weeks without putting a super on, did i screw up? > svcorbin@usol.com > Article 24419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:10:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3905fad3.2079076@news1.radix.net> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <39041ac2.36022671@news1.radix.net> <39051C6B.D08AD481@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24419 On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:17:36 GMT, "S. R. Jones" wrote: >> >> It sounds like they are just bees being bees. They probably sense >> your fear. If you are afraid of a few stings, perhaps you should look >> for another hobby. >> >> Greg the beekeep > >Ouch...now THAT stings! Gee Greg, I think all that apitherapy has made you a >little too venomous :) > >I don't plan on giving up beekeeping anytime time, nor do worry about the >relatively few stings I do get. But that doesn't mean I have to like >it....Thanks for the words of encouragement. > > I didn't mean to discourage anybody. I do think that bees can detect fear, most likley by smell. I don't think that a pastime that makes you afraid is much of a hobby. Greg the beekeep Article 24420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39061ef7_2@news.vic.com> <20000425195219.19090.00002242@nso-fh.aol.com> Subject: Re: Queen Piping sounds Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:50:47 -0500 Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.71 Message-ID: <39062e6e$1_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 25 Apr 2000 19:46:54 -0400, 208.24.176.71 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!206.191.82.230!prairie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!142.77.1.188!news.uunet.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!208.24.176.71 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24420 Thank you. That helps especially when you cant find the queen. Larry "Bob Pursley" wrote in message news:20000425195219.19090.00002242@nso-fh.aol.com... > In article <39061ef7_2@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" > writes: > > > > >Where can I found some information on the queens piping sounds. I would > >think if you could hear this sound than you could be reasonably sure you > >have a queen and she's laying. Correct? > > > >Larry > > > > It means a queen is present, and maybe more than one. It does not mean there is > a laying queen. > To listen to queens piping, visit Allen's excellent site: > http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/queens.htm > Article 24421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Piping sounds Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:44:47 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.71 Message-ID: <39061ef7_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 25 Apr 2000 18:40:55 -0400, 208.24.176.71 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.71 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24421 Where can I found some information on the queens piping sounds. I would think if you could hear this sound than you could be reasonably sure you have a queen and she's laying. Correct? Larry Article 24422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz><955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <38feb308$1@naylor.cs.rmit.edu.au> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 38 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:49:02 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.232.161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 956689253 159.134.232.161 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:00:53 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:00:53 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24422 David Latter wrote in message news:38feb308$1@naylor.cs.rmit.edu.au... > "Neville Brook" writes: > > >Hi James, > >Destruction of hives is apparently still an option. It all depends on how > >far the infestation has gone to decide if it is feasible. The problem I > >have with this, is what about the feral hives? Even if they decide to > >destroy all managed hives, I don't believe they can hope to get all the > >feral ones as well. So we'll see. > ------------------------------------------- > > If the outbreak is small enough and enough manpower is spent on it, then > maybe it can be stopped. Lets hope that is the case. > > > David > The situation in Ireland was that varroa was found in two apiaries at about the same time in Sligo, the colonies were both traced back to one beekeeper who had illegally imported from Britain. A slaughter policy was tried and was given up when it was found that the varroa had spread over a wider area than had been thought possible. The problem is that the first infestation invariably seems to be about 3 to 5 years old, and the mite has spread. Migratory beekeeping is one of the major methods of dispersal of the mite, another is of course the selling of infested colonies into virgin (for the mites) territory. In short NO WHERE has the slaughter policy worked. Ruary Rudd Article 24423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Piping sounds Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Apr 2000 23:52:19 GMT References: <39061ef7_2@news.vic.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000425195219.19090.00002242@nso-fh.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24423 In article <39061ef7_2@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" writes: > >Where can I found some information on the queens piping sounds. I would >think if you could hear this sound than you could be reasonably sure you >have a queen and she's laying. Correct? > >Larry > It means a queen is present, and maybe more than one. It does not mean there is a laying queen. To listen to queens piping, visit Allen's excellent site: http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/queens.htm Article 24424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: scp1969@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen died! Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1895-390642C6-12@storefull-146.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAgyG5HY+C2g+9pOhZitPOz6SqaqMCFQCN53lwprs3ai+zDgYvqwSOU8kzuQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24424 I received three 4 lb. packages of bees last week and hived them in the usual fashion. The packages arrived in excellent condition and the queens were alive when I installed them. Three days later, I removed the queen cages. All three queen cages were empty, the bees evidently accepted them and I closed the hives. Yesterday (about 10 days after I installed the packages) I opened the hives to see if the queens were laying. Two of the three hives had eggs and larva, the third, however, had no eggs or larva. I searched for the queen and couldn't find her even though she was marked. So, I surmised that somehow she died or was rejected. I took a frame of eggs and young larva from one of the other hives and placed them in the queenless one, hoping that they'll raise a new queen. My question is: Should I have contacted the supplier for a replacement queen or do any of you think it's to late? It's been about 10 days since I hived them. Luckily, the other hives are fine. Does anyone think that my adding a frame of eggs and larva from the other hive will help this queenless hive to raise a new queen or is it too late? Thank you for any advice you could provide! -Steven Article 24425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Entrance reducers and other useless equipment Lines: 28 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:51:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956638316 12.72.50.164 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:51:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:51:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24425 We have had some fun with Duragilt (AKA DadantGuilt), entrance reducers, entrance feeders and other items that each of us on an individual basis has an opinion of as to their relative usefulness. The supers are on, new queens are in and I've nothing to do so what is the most useless item relative to beekeeping you have come across. Could be equipment or even the bee itself (Yugo?). I'll start with the frame slipper, er...I mean gripper. Do these things even work on Pierco frames? And how do you turn your wrists to examine the other side of a frame? Lots of people become attached to these things claiming the great level of confidence they afford to the novice. The confidence quickly erodes once you drop a frame on your foot and they start to crawl up your leg at an amazing rate of speed. Or worse, you start to have a Bill Buckner moment and your natural reaction is to reach for the floundering frame with you free hand. No thanks, fingers work just fine and I always know where they are. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Article 24426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:04:41 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8e3clc$s7o$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-12.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 956642796 28920 62.136.21.12 (25 Apr 2000 06:06:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2000 06:06:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24426 That is not a great many stings, but re-queen asap if you feel that they a bit hotter than you would like - if you leave them they will produce drones which will pass on the bad temper when they mate. S. R. Jones wrote in message news:3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com... > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particularly mean. Of > the 7 times I've been stung this year, 6 have been directly attributable > to this one hive. Although it has taught me to be extra careful in > wearing protective gear, I'm looking for a good way to calm the meanest > of bees long enough for me to requeen with gentle stock. I'd really > hope to wait until the fall (to requeen) but I need to do something > with this one now. > > The question(s): > > What can I do to keep an easily-provoked-to-attack colony from going > into attack mode? > > In an old beekeeping book, I read that if you put ammonium nitrate into > a hot smoker it will produce NO2 (Nitrous Oxide aka laughing gas) which > is supposed to calm mean bees. Has anyone actually done this? > > I've also heard that spraying them down with warm water (or sugar water) > could help??? > > > > Some more background information: Trying to make sure that it wasn't me > doing something wrong, I have... > a) made sure I have clean clothing/gloves/equipment. > b) given the right amount of smoke (not too much or too little) > c) been extra gentle in handling. The seem to be easily provoked if > _anything_ is abrubtly jarred. > > Thanks in advance > > -SRJ > Article 24427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-176-179.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why Varroa? I Treated! Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:04:58 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <38f7b395.135726156@news1.radix.net> <8d8j5v$rjo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b0.b3 X-Server-Date: 25 Apr 2000 07:07:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24427 In article , James Kilty wrote: > In article , Charles > "Stretch" Ledford writes > >That's what we did, and found Varroa mites dead on the bottom board, along > >with lots of dead bees. That's why we surmised it was an infestation of > >Varroa that brought them to their knees... :( > It's not proof. I saw an untreated dead colony with thousands of dead > mites on the floor with thousands of dead bees. I took that as proof. > How many bees did you count and how many mites? We didn't, or at least, *I* didn't count them. There were sure plenty of dead bees... and the mites were pretty easy to spot. The fellow who came by has been keeping bees professionally for years (decades, I imagine), so I trusted his opinion from looking at the hive. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:03:57 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 54 Message-ID: <8e3li2$17d$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p45.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 956651906 1261 203.96.192.45 (25 Apr 2000 08:38:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2000 08:38:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24428 Thank you John, Peter and James Kilty for your thoughts on this matter, i have copied all comments to microsoft .... we have a meeting on Thursday so i daresay we'll get some more information then. I'll be taking along your thoughts and adding my own comments where appropriate. The spokes people for the Bee keepers assoc are voicing very stongly their intention to recommend mass destruction to Ministry of Agriculture, the word is they are going to recommend a law be passed to destroy _all_ hives in the area and then seek compensation for their hives. Sort of makes me wonder many things about whether all the motives are pure, especially if they are seeking compensation for lost hives. Some of the hobbyists we have spoken to want to manage the condition. I'll be speaking to more hobbyists Thursday and will have a better picture. According to network news, the Beekeepers association will be meeting Govt officials next week to push the case to destroy. thanks again, keep those thoughts rolling in carman John Caldeira wrote in message news:kbt9gsksee2cbpgdfo33942uqsqk4ndu4o@4ax.com... > "Carman" wrote: > >Just heard on the news that the NZ beekeepers Association is recommending > >the destruction of all Bees in the Varroa mite exclusion zone, which takes > >in a big area. > > New Zealand is fortunate to be in a position to learn from the > experiences in Europe and North America about varroa. > Destroying hives with varroa is the most useless bit of beekeeping > advice I've heard since the Texas Department of Agriculture > established a quarantine zone for Africanized bees (the bees didn't > obey). > > There may be some merit to the illusion that somebody is doing > something about the problem but, unless there is 100% control of feral > bees and swarming, it is almost certainly doomed to failure. On what > basis is such advice given? > > Sorry to learn about the NZ mite problem, but best to face facts, > learn from other regions, and deal with it accordingly. > > -John > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage - now the hive is empty! Message-ID: <39058102.1180261@news.usit.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 31 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:35:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 956662543 216.80.168.178 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:35:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:35:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24429 I would say they joined the other hive. I wouldn't get very discouraged this is all part of learning beekeeping all of us make mistakes or the bee's don't cooperate. I assume you do have 1 to 1 sugar water on them, two deep brood boxes or one deep and one med. and just be patient the honey flow is coming soon. Good Luck On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:09:50 -0700, "Dave Kern" wrote: >I posted the earlier message about the queen escaping her cage and flying >away. This evening I didn't see much activity at the entrance like the >other hive started yesterday so I cracked the back of the hive for a quick >peak. The hive is completely empty. So, either they all took off or they >joined the other hive. I am thinking it was the a joining. But, there is >no sign of a battle. I did notice late in the morning the hive with a queen >had bees in front fanning to the sky announcing their presence. That was >the same as the night before when I put them in the hive (the one with queen >intact). I don't know if the queen returned to the hive, the same hive with >the other queen in her cage or if they took off? She didn't have much time >to orient herself in that I hadn't even let her workers out when she took >off. Did I do wrong by hiving both colonies right next to each other on the >same day? Well, I will either buy another package of bees or wait and just >buy a queen and do a split. Any suggestions? > >Thanks for all the help. >Dave > > > Article 24430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apistan strips Message-ID: <390585d0.2411023@news.usit.net> References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:50:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 956663416 216.80.168.178 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:50:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:50:16 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24430 I would pull those strips out you should have several weeks before honey flow. On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:03:32 -0400, shelley corbin wrote: >tomarrow i am going to put the apistan strips in. Detroit mich has been >either to cold or rainy in the last 2 weeks to open it up any earlier. >that six weeks without putting a super on, did i screw up? >svcorbin@usol.com > Article 24431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen died! Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 2000 02:59:56 GMT References: <1895-390642C6-12@storefull-146.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000425225956.04119.00003791@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24431 >My question is: Should I have contacted the supplier for a replacement >queen or do any of you think it's to late? It's been about 10 days since >I hived them. Luckily, the other hives are fine. Does anyone think that Are you asking if the queen breeder should warrantee the queen? If the queen was alive at the time of installation, I think the breeder has done all he can. I could not hold him/her responsible after that. There is always some attrition. If the queenless hive is making cells from the frame with eggs, and seem to be doing well, I'd let them go on with the process, perhaps with some feeding, unless there's a whale of a flow going on. Another frame with sealed brood in a few days would help them, but I know you don't want to pull down the others too much either. If you do get another queen at this time, be sure to give them a frame of sealed brood; only young bees will take good care of a queen. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1895-390642C6-12@storefull-146.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Queen died! Lines: 45 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:15:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956718940 12.72.40.6 (Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:15:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:15:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24432 Always a possibility with packages that a virgin queen got shaken in with the other bees. Doesn't happen too often, but it does. The virgin will usually kill the caged queen and it will be several days before she mates. Check the frame you put in yesterday. If you are queenless, you will see cells by tomorrow. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:1895-390642C6-12@storefull-146.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > I received three 4 lb. packages of bees last week and hived them in the > usual fashion. The packages arrived in excellent condition and the > queens were alive when I installed them. > > Three days later, I removed the queen cages. All three queen cages were > empty, the bees evidently accepted them and I closed the hives. > > Yesterday (about 10 days after I installed the packages) I opened the > hives to see if the queens were laying. Two of the three hives had eggs > and larva, the third, however, had no eggs or larva. I searched for the > queen and couldn't find her even though she was marked. > > So, I surmised that somehow she died or was rejected. I took a frame of > eggs and young larva from one of the other hives and placed them in the > queenless one, hoping that they'll raise a new queen. > > My question is: Should I have contacted the supplier for a replacement > queen or do any of you think it's to late? It's been about 10 days since > I hived them. Luckily, the other hives are fine. Does anyone think that > my adding a frame of eggs and larva from the other hive will help this > queenless hive to raise a new queen or is it too late? > > Thank you for any advice you could provide! > > -Steven > > Article 24433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen flew out of her cage - now the hive is empty! Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:49:45 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <39058102.1180261@news.usit.net> Reply-To: "Dave Kern" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24433 Thanks, the other hive looks great. I will wait until I am a little more comfortable with them and then try and start a second hive. They are fascinating animals! Dave wrote in message news:39058102.1180261@news.usit.net... > I would say they joined the other hive. I wouldn't get very > discouraged this is all part of learning beekeeping all of us make > mistakes or the bee's don't cooperate. I assume you do have 1 to 1 > sugar water on them, two deep brood boxes or one deep and one med. and > just be patient the honey flow is coming soon. > Good Luck > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:09:50 -0700, "Dave Kern" > wrote: > > >I posted the earlier message about the queen escaping her cage and flying > >away. This evening I didn't see much activity at the entrance like the > >other hive started yesterday so I cracked the back of the hive for a quick > >peak. The hive is completely empty. So, either they all took off or they > >joined the other hive. I am thinking it was the a joining. But, there is > >no sign of a battle. I did notice late in the morning the hive with a queen > >had bees in front fanning to the sky announcing their presence. That was > >the same as the night before when I put them in the hive (the one with queen > >intact). I don't know if the queen returned to the hive, the same hive with > >the other queen in her cage or if they took off? She didn't have much time > >to orient herself in that I hadn't even let her workers out when she took > >off. Did I do wrong by hiving both colonies right next to each other on the > >same day? Well, I will either buy another package of bees or wait and just > >buy a queen and do a split. Any suggestions? > > > >Thanks for all the help. > >Dave > > > > > > > > Article 24434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:44:17 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 85 Message-ID: <8e60qq$kjk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <8e3cle$s7o$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <39053f08_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-117.oxygen.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 956728986 21108 62.136.7.117 (26 Apr 2000 06:03:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2000 06:03:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24434 Larry W wrote in message news:39053f08_1@news.vic.com... > Peter: > I checked 2 weekends ago and found NO eggs. and several supercedure > cells. So I put in a queen excluder between the bodies, it was a double. --------- Why? > Last weekend I opened the hive to get some frames to introduce a new queen > and on the excluder I am 90% sure I saw a new queen trying to get through. --------- She would be trying to get down, away from the light. > I did have an opening in the top body. --------- Good - she was not trapped above the excluder so has probably flown and mated (with a bit of luck). > Anyway I pulled the excluder and she > dropped into the bottom. So I decided to leave it alone, --------- Good move! > and YES they are M E A N. --------- Bees without a laying queen ofter are a bit bad tempered - remember that the survival of the colony depends on their having a viable queen. > I tried to make a nuc and introduce the new queen but after 3 days > they hadn't released her so I pulled the screen and they balled her. --------- Broodless bees are notoriously difficult to re-queen with a laying queen. Best to make up a nuc with brood from another hive and some young bees, introduce the queen and then unite later. (You get young bees by taking a frame and shaking it gently to remove the old bees, the young ones stick better! Make sure that you do not have the queen on the frame - and do not believe anyone who tells you that a gentle shake will remove the queen). > In the meantime I bought a 5 frame nuc for insurance. So I put a frame of eggs and > larvae in that nuc and 2 frames of stores. So what I have going is a 4 frame > nuc, to make a queen. --------- Not a good move - nucs are not good a rearing first class queens, you need a strong colony so that they are well fed. > A 90% possible hatched queen in the double hive, seen > for the first time the 17th I think. I plan on looking for eggs this weekend > in that one, If there are no eggs Ill have to join that one with the nuc.I > bought which is now in a 10 frame box. However on Easter morning the Easter > bunny left me a large 5lb or bigger swarm 10 foot from my front door 4ft > from the ground hanging down onto the ground. --------- Where did that come from??? So now I have at least 2 hives > with queens and 1 probable. --------- Good luck! > > Larry > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:8e3cle$s7o$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Did they produce a queen - or are they queenless? If the latter, then > they > > will be bad tempered. Bees can also be touchy until they have a laying > > queen and brood in all stages. > > > > If a queen has been produced, then you should have eggs within 17-18 days > of > > her hatching, sometimes much quicker. If none in 18 days, give up and > unite > > the colony to another. You can split them out again later. > > > > Larry W wrote in message > > news:3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com... > > > How long should I wait before expecting to see eggs in a queenless hive, > > > which I gave some eggs to develop a queen? Is there anything else I > should > > > do? It has plenty of stores. AND IS MEAN. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: South Korea May Send Bees to North Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:45:02 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24435 Monday April 24 10:41 AM ET SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - Bees could be the next ambassadors in South Korea's efforts to improve ties with communist North Korea. The South has sent livestock, vitamins and fertilizer to help alleviate food shortages in the impoverished North, and now it is considering a plan to dispatch five queen bees. Pyongyang asked for the bees from a Seoul-based non-governmental organization, the International Corn Foundation. The queens breed working bees, which make honey and pollinate. ``Cattles and goats went. There is no reason bees can't,'' said Yoo Yi-hyun, an official at Seoul's Unification Ministry. But there's a snag: The five bees are not indigenous to the Korean peninsula and could push weaker, local breeds from their habitats. ``If this happens, you never know what kind of impact it will have on the ecological system,'' said Lim Won-taek of the International Corn Foundation. ``And the North may blame us for damages.'' The Unification Ministry, which handles contacts with North Korea, is consulting with agriculture officials about whether to send the bees. South Korean President Kim Dae-jung and North Korean leader Kim Jong Il are expected to discuss economic aid to the North at a summit in June. Article 24436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "d" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maybe someday? Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:09:15 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8e6me9$5oo$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: huntsville2.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 956751113 5912 208.232.214.50 (26 Apr 2000 12:11:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2000 12:11:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24436 Hello, Boy did I miss out on a opportunity of a life time. I was getting permission to start a new bee yard. The gentlemen I was talking too, said boy I wish I knew you had bees. I just gave a old hive of bees away. When asked about them, he said another bee keeper was nearly wiped out with varroa mites a few years back. He moved all of his hives but forgot or left this one. The hive has been doing great. And has done so without treatment for mites for about 5 years. He gave it away to someone else who immediately put a new queen in. Wrong. This could of been a naturally mite resistant queen. No treatment has been given. Maybe someone will find just the right one someday. preacher Article 24437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Eurobee" <9846907@gsm.lt> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is it possible. Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:56:44 +0300 Organization: Omnitel, Lithuania Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8e703h$paa$1@news.omnitel.net> Reply-To: "Eurobee" <9846907@gsm.lt> NNTP-Posting-Host: utint1-a8.ot.lt X-Trace: news.omnitel.net 956761009 25930 194.176.33.41 (26 Apr 2000 14:56:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@omnitel.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2000 14:56:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!golmote!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newsinternetskywayteltow!post.skyway.de!trimpas.omnitel.net!news.omnitel.net!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24437 Hello. Is it possible to order queen from US to Europe. If You can give www address who ships. brgds, EuroBee Article 24438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:42:58 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3906F262.7DF2D112@riverace.com> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: vHPH+Dsfg+lQe5IE/WyHcI+0zIwyoDoBfREuVf5Awm0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2000 13:43:00 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24438 In addition to the other good advice given, you should also check to see if there is anything that could be aggravating them. Like a skunk that visits nightly. Or a snake, or neighbors throwing rocks at the hive, or... or if they are sick. For queen, check the brood pattern. I had a hive get real defensive this spring too... I removed the queen, and tried to requeen with another weaker colony over newspaper. They shredded the paper and the new bees, in short order. I gave them a new caged queen. Blam - dead. I then put another newly-queened split over them separated by screen and began to open the corners of the screen after 3-4 days. This week I took the screen out and they are all happily getting along. Phew! So, if you need to requeen, be careful and read up beforehand. -Steve "S. R. Jones" wrote: > > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particulary mean. Of > the 7 times I've been stung this year, 6 have been directly attributable > to this one hive. Although it has taught me to be extra careful in > wearing protective gear, I'm looking for a good way to calm the meanest > of bees long enough for me to requeen with gentle stock. I'd really > hope to wait untill the fall (to requeen) but I need to do something > with this one now. > > The question(s): > > What can I do to keep an easily-provoked-to-attack colony from going > into attack mode? > > In an old beekeeping book, I read that if you put ammonium nitrate into > a hot smoker it will produce NO2 (Nitrous Oxide aka laughing gas) which > is supposed to calm mean bees. Has anyone actually done this? > > I've also heard that spraying them down with warm water (or sugar water) > could help??? > > Some more background information: Trying to make sure that it wasn't me > doing something wrong, I have... > a) made sure I have clean clothing/gloves/equipment. > b) given the right amount of smoke (not too much or too little) > c) been extra gentle in handling. The seem to be easily provoked if > _anything_ is abrubtly jarred. > > Thanks in advance > > -SRJ -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 24439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <8e3cle$s7o$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <39053f08_1@news.vic.com> <8e60qq$kjk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:18:57 -0500 Lines: 76 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.65 Message-ID: <3907160e_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 26 Apr 2000 12:15:10 -0400, 208.24.176.65 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24439 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8e60qq$kjk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Larry W wrote in message > news:39053f08_1@news.vic.com... > > Peter: > > I checked 2 weekends ago and found NO eggs. and several supercedure > > cells. So I put in a queen excluder between the bodies, it was a double. > --------- Why? ********To see if there was a hatched queen and in which box so I wouldnt introduce a bought queen and have her killed > > Last weekend I opened the hive to get some frames to introduce a new queen > > and on the excluder I am 90% sure I saw a new queen trying to get through. > --------- She would be trying to get down, away from the light. *****Yes down would be away from the light into the lower hive body > > I did have an opening in the top body. > --------- Good - she was not trapped above the excluder so has probably > flown and mated (with a bit of luck). > > Anyway I pulled the excluder and she > > dropped into the bottom. So I decided to leave it alone, > --------- Good move! > > and YES they are M E A N. > --------- Bees without a laying queen ofter are a bit bad tempered - > remember that the survival of the colony depends on their having a viable > queen. > > I tried to make a nuc and introduce the new queen but after 3 days > > they hadn't released her so I pulled the screen and they balled her. > --------- Broodless bees are notoriously difficult to re-queen with a laying > queen. Best to make up a nuc with brood from another hive and some young > bees, introduce the queen and then unite later. (You get young bees by > taking a frame and shaking it gently to remove the old bees, the young ones > stick better! Make sure that you do not have the queen on the frame - and > do not believe anyone who tells you that a gentle shake will remove the > queen). > > In the meantime I bought a 5 frame nuc for insurance. So I put a frame of > eggs and > > larvae in that nuc and 2 frames of stores. So what I have going is a 4 > frame > > nuc, to make a queen. > --------- Not a good move - nucs are not good a rearing first class queens, > you need a strong colony so that they are well fed. > > A 90% possible hatched queen in the double hive, seen > > for the first time the 17th I think. I plan on looking for eggs this > weekend > > in that one, If there are no eggs Ill have to join that one with the nuc.I > > bought which is now in a 10 frame box. However on Easter morning the > Easter > > bunny left me a large 5lb or bigger swarm 10 foot from my front door 4ft > > from the ground hanging down onto the ground. > --------- Where did that come from??? ***** Like I said , the Easter bunny. Good question. I live in the country and there are NO beekeepers withen 20 miles of here that anyone knows about and they could NOT have been from my hive. > So now I have at least 2 hives > > with queens and 1 probable. > --------- Good luck! > > > > Larry > > > Article 24440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Piping sounds Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 00:21:32 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8e78jf$qag$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <39061ef7_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw49.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 956769711 26960 62.188.8.43 (26 Apr 2000 17:21:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2000 17:21:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24440 Not correct. You have a queen, yes, perhaps several, but.... First time I heard this sound it was in a matchbox in my pocket - certainly not laying there! It's quite loud enough that the other people in the room all heard it and asked what I'd got in my pocket - roughly like a digital watch alarm going off. I'm told it's usually when there are 2 queens and they are trying to find each other for the big fight out. Martin Incidentally, I apologise to the group for appearing as Pamela - don't know why my wife's name appears on newsgroup messages (but not on e-mails). I am working on it and mean to post under my own name, Martin. Larry W wrote in message news:39061ef7_2@news.vic.com... > Where can I found some information on the queens piping sounds. I would > think if you could hear this sound than you could be reasonably sure you > have a queen and she's laying. Correct? > > Larry > > > Article 24441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 00:25:56 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8e78jg$qag$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e3li2$17d$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw49.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 956769712 26960 62.188.8.43 (26 Apr 2000 17:21:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2000 17:21:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24441 Carman! James is right. I have been posting my M.P. about bees and beekeeping problems for several yeears and he now not only sends me publications unsolicited and asks ministers questions for me, but recognises me in the street and asks about the bees. It can be done. Who shall we post to? Martin. James Kilty wrote in message news:V1AEXUAXyYB5EwVj@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8e3li2$17d$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >Thank you John, Peter and James Kilty for your thoughts on this matter, i > >have copied all comments to microsoft .... we have a meeting on Thursday > >so i daresay we'll get some more information then. > You are welcome. I wonder if you can get the email addresses of the > Committee and officials and Members of Parliament interested in the case > and post them here. Your fellow groupies can send their own carefully > considered arguments *in a style they might listen to* to each one. > > References to Conferences and the like might be persuasive. > -- > James Kilty Article 24442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <3904cc5a_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:35:56 -0500 Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.65 Message-ID: <3907281a_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 26 Apr 2000 13:32:10 -0400, 208.24.176.65 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24442 I checked the nuc I made up today and found a new queen although she isn't laying yet. The other hive that I thought I saw a queen the 17th still has no eggs. If It don't have any eggs by the middle of the next week Ill have to join what's left with another hive. Larry "Larry W" wrote in message news:3904cc5a_1@news.vic.com... > George. Your assumptions are correct I gave them 2 frames with eggs, larva > and capped brood. Also some stores. I put the nuc about 20 feet away so all > the workers went back to the old hive. I just wanted to know the time > schedule so I know what to look for and when. The weather is fine and the > honey flow just started and yesterday I got a 5lb or larger swarm to go with > my queenless hive and the nuc. > > Thanks > > Larry > > > "George Styer" wrote in message > news:I00N4.32883$WF.1504948@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > I am assuming you gave then a frame with eggs and larva. With this > > assumption and assuming also that the frame contained larva approximately > > 24 - 48 hours old (about 5 days after laying), a new queen should hatch in > > about 11 days. Add another 7 - 10 before she mates and you are looking at > > 3 - 4 weeks before you see eggs. Of course your weather could completely > > screw this up. > > > > -- > > Geo > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > > > > "Larry W" wrote in message > > news:3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com... > > > How long should I wait before expecting to see eggs in a queenless hive, > > > which I gave some eggs to develop a queen? Is there anything else I > should > > > do? It has plenty of stores. AND IS MEAN. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8e6me9$5oo$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Subject: Re: Maybe someday? Lines: 36 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <67GN4.24693$PV.1729320@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:58:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956771906 12.72.203.33 (Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:58:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:58:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24443 More than likely, several colonies have taken up residence in this old hive over the 5 year period, each eventually crashing. Unless the guy was actually inspecting the hive and marking the queens, he would have no way of knowing. In short, you probably didn't miss anything other than a relatively recent swarm that had moved in. The probability of a mite resistant stock that can survive for 5 years and pass along this characteristic consistently to subsequent generations is, well....were you just hit by lightning? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "d" wrote in message news:8e6me9$5oo$1@einstein.greenhills.net... > Hello, > Boy did I miss out on a opportunity of a life time. I was getting permission > to start a new bee yard. The gentlemen I was talking too, said boy I wish I > knew you had bees. I just gave a old hive of bees away. When asked about > them, he said another bee keeper was nearly wiped out with varroa mites a > few years back. He moved all of his hives but forgot or left this one. The > hive has been doing great. And has done so without treatment for mites for > about 5 years. He gave it away to someone else who immediately put a new > queen in. Wrong. This could of been a naturally mite resistant queen. No > treatment has been given. Maybe someone will find just the right one > someday. > preacher > > Article 24444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3906DDA8.7D47C90D@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 X-Trace: /bV2//2OvCXFNVZXcGOsfw9t5xmkxdOs6k1f8eCw+HrptnPozDIZxlZlW2A8xtgkY41V3ZU/hjCW!bO+ahCuukWE4ZUTIqrMHqG5tcC7fig17NClT7ePn4xL5m6b2MnAOwVUlZ2xvuPHSUyXiAzZObQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:01:10 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:01:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24444 Barry Birkey wrote: > > > What is the best way to set up the entrance reducer for a new hive, taking > > in mind I have a entrance feeder. > > Start by throwing out the entrance feeder. Now you don't have the dilemma. > Next, get yourself a quart mason jar with lid, take an ice pick to the lid > just enough to puncture the tin (small holes). Mix up some syrup (1 part > sugar to 2 parts water I think, as I never feed in spring) and fill up the > jar. If you couldn't quite get up the courage to throw the entrance feeder > away, place it on the inner cover right next to the hole in the middle and > invert your jar into it or you can just place the jar right over the hole > and it will still leave a bee space on either side of the jar provided it's > a small mouth or set it on a couple of strips of wood that are at least 3/8" > thick so the bees can get under it. Now put an empty super or brood box > around it, put the outer cover on and you got it made. Check in a day or > two and you will probably find it about gone. > > Regards, > Barry > > -- > Webmeister > www.BeeSource.com The 2 parts water to 1 part sugar is too thin. Use 2 parts sugar to 1 part water or 1-to-1 ratio. Have boiling water (off the stove) and add sugar to it or pour boiling water over the sugar. It will disolve better. Do not cook. Louise Article 24445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:10 -0500 Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.65 Message-ID: <39073188_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 26 Apr 2000 14:12:24 -0400, 208.24.176.65 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24445 A new question,. I hived a swarm Sunday I put in 2 frames of stores and 1 extra frame of fresh pulled comb. Also a feeder. How long before I start to see eggs, on average. It must have been a prime swarm. 5lb or larger. Thanks Larry "Larry W" wrote in message news:3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com... > How long should I wait before expecting to see eggs in a queenless hive, > which I gave some eggs to develop a queen? Is there anything else I should > do? It has plenty of stores. AND IS MEAN. > > Thanks > > Larry > > Article 24446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spegler919@aol.com (SPegler919) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 2000 18:38:20 GMT References: <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000426143820.24195.00002524@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24446 When I worked for a commercial beekeeper we used car oil (I think) soaked corn cobs. They worked well. I have also used well dried cow manure. It works well, having a smell somewhat like peat, which for those in some places might work as well. Article 24447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:37:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8e7d1o$kpm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 26 18:37:47 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24447 In article <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net>, "THE WHITNEY'S" wrote: > > I'm Looking for some help on setting up the entrance reducer for a first > time hive ( and a first time beekeeper). The bee's are only day's away! > > I noticed that the entrance feeder is the same size as the opening for the > 4" entrance. How do the bee's get past the feeder. I have a standard Dadant > hive with a entrance reducer with three options. 3/4" 4" or nothing. > > What is the best way to set up the entrance reducer for a new hive, taking > in mind I have a entrance feeder. I think the idea is to use one or the other but not both at the same time. > > About to be stung and I can't wait > > Thanks Tom W. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> <3906DDA8.7D47C90D@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Lines: 25 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:08:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956783286 12.72.42.19 (Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:08:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:08:06 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24448 Have to disagree with this. Barry was correct. 2:1 (water:sugar) is a good ratio to stimulate wax and brood production. 1:1 is also fine but 1:2 is usually used in the fall when you want them to put up stores for the winter. I would also discourage the use of boiling water as it can caramelize the sugar. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3906DDA8.7D47C90D@atlas.localdomain... > > The 2 parts water to 1 part sugar is too thin. Use 2 parts sugar to 1 > part water or 1-to-1 ratio. Have boiling water (off the stove) and add > sugar to it or pour boiling water over the sugar. It will disolve > better. Do not cook. > > Louise Article 24449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Lines: 39 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:08:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956783287 12.72.42.19 (Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:08:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:08:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24449 If it was a prime swarm and the queen was undamaged you should see eggs by now. Have you looked on the 2 frames with stores? 5 lbs. does not necessarily mean it was the prime swarm. You could have a virgin. Jeez Larry, I hope you find those queens and paint a big ol' blue dot on them. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Larry W" wrote in message news:39073188_2@news.vic.com... > A new question,. I hived a swarm Sunday I put in 2 frames of stores and 1 > extra frame of fresh pulled comb. Also a feeder. How long before I start to > see eggs, on average. It must have been a prime swarm. 5lb or larger. > > Thanks > Larry > > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com... > > How long should I wait before expecting to see eggs in a queenless hive, > > which I gave some eggs to develop a queen? Is there anything else I should > > do? It has plenty of stores. AND IS MEAN. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > > > Article 24450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apistan strips Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:12:45 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <39075BCA.485E89D6@usol.com> References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24450 i didnt check for mites, i just assumed you always treat the hive twice. once in the spring and once in the fall. my main concern is swarming, so maybe i need to reconsider. what about the terramyacin? Article 24451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it possible. Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:31:02 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <390751ef.1686197@news1.radix.net> References: <8e703h$paa$1@news.omnitel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24451 On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:56:44 +0300, "Eurobee" <9846907@gsm.lt> wrote: >Hello. > >Is it possible to order queen from US to Europe. >If You can give www address who ships. > >brgds, >EuroBee > > NO! Greg the beekeep Article 24452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apistan strips Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:14:26 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <39075C30.F303AA8D@usol.com> References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> <390585d0.2411023@news.usit.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24452 thanks, i think that i may not put them in, after all. Article 24453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Gilles RATIA - APISERVICES" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Virtual Beekeeping Gallery Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:32:25 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 3 Message-ID: <8e7njv$53q$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: integ-bordeaux-102-162.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 956785087 5242 193.250.224.162 (26 Apr 2000 21:38:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 2000 21:38:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24453 Go to http://www.beekeeping.com/ Article 24454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:47:10 -0500 Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.65 Message-ID: <390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 26 Apr 2000 17:43:26 -0400, 208.24.176.65 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!208.24.176.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24454 As you can see I have Queen problems. I looked on all 3 frames and did NOT see any eggs. I also didn't see one in the swarm although Im sure there must be one. I found the new virgin queen in the Nuc I was using to make a queen. I couldn't find one in the queenless one today. I suppose Ill have to dump them on a queen exclude to find her, but I prefer to just wait a while and look for eggs. Im afraid if I try to catch them to paint them I might harm them. Although I could use a little screen box to trap her and paint her. Which is a good Idea. Next week Ill try. I hate to keep tearing them down looking for the queen. Thanks Larry "George Styer" wrote in message news:XUIN4.24838$PV.1741560@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > If it was a prime swarm and the queen was undamaged you should see eggs by > now. Have you looked on the 2 frames with stores? 5 lbs. does not > necessarily mean it was the prime swarm. You could have a virgin. Jeez > Larry, I hope you find those queens and paint a big ol' blue dot on them. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:39073188_2@news.vic.com... > > A new question,. I hived a swarm Sunday I put in 2 frames of stores and 1 > > extra frame of fresh pulled comb. Also a feeder. How long before I start > to > > see eggs, on average. It must have been a prime swarm. 5lb or larger. > > > > Thanks > > Larry > > > > "Larry W" wrote in message > > news:3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com... > > > How long should I wait before expecting to see eggs in a queenless hive, > > > which I gave some eggs to develop a queen? Is there anything else I > should > > > do? It has plenty of stores. AND IS MEAN. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 24455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:10:26 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <390596C7.BE1D19C3@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956789156 nnrp-04:12317 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24455 In article <390596C7.BE1D19C3@atlas.localdomain>, Louise Adderholdt writes >I had my first swarm Easter Sunday. I wanted to reply by email rather than the group but your address is not recognised. What is the correct address please? -- James Kilty Article 24456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:39:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956789158 nnrp-04:12317 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24456 In article <39073188_2@news.vic.com>, Larry W writes >A new question,. I hived a swarm Sunday I put in 2 frames of stores and 1 >extra frame of fresh pulled comb. Also a feeder. How long before I start to >see eggs, on average. It must have been a prime swarm. 5lb or larger. The timing will tell you if it was (1) a prime swarm or (2) a virgin. A day or so for (1) and 12 or more days for (2). -- James Kilty Article 24457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:34:38 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <8e3cle$s7o$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <39053f08_1@news.vic.com> <8e60qq$kjk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <3907160e_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956789158 nnrp-04:12317 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24457 In article <3907160e_2@news.vic.com>, Larry W writes >However on Easter morning the >> Easter >> > bunny left me a large 5lb or bigger swarm 10 foot from my front door 4ft >> > from the ground hanging down onto the ground. > >> --------- Where did that come from??? ***** Like I said , the Easter >bunny. >Good question. I live in the country and there are NO beekeepers withen 20 >miles of here that anyone knows about and they could NOT have been from my >hive. It is such a common belief among a proportion of beekeepers that a swarm could not have come from their own hive!! Of course if there was an unnoticed feral colony in the house that might have made a swarm. However, with all that supersedure cells and queen excluders and so on, there might have been 2 queens there. I know usually they would fight it out but you never know! By the way, Easter bunnies tend to have lots of little bunnies not swarms of bees, or they leave chocolates and things around the garden for little (and big) kids to find. -- James Kilty Article 24458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnslaves3!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> <390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Lines: 48 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:49:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956789349 12.72.43.41 (Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:49:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:49:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24458 Larry, If you have a virgin, it is highly likely that she will pass right through an excluder. Dumping them through an excluder can be used to establish you DO have a queen (i.e. you see her) but if you don't find one it is not proof that you DO NOT. If you are timid about picking up a queen for fear that you might damage her, then you probably will. Finger/thumb pressure is hard to control if you are anxious. Cut about a 2" square of 1/4" hardware cloth and gently set it on the queen. With very little pressure her thorax will pop through the mesh and she will be a cinch to mark. Make sure you hold her there a couple of minutes before you release her so the paint sets. Testers model paint pens work well but make sure you don't have a big drop of paint on the tip. Practice on some drones first I hope things get straightened out for you. I know you have had more than your share of queen/temperament problems the last couple of years. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Larry W" wrote in message news:390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com... > As you can see I have Queen problems. I looked on all 3 frames and did NOT > see any eggs. I also didn't see one in the swarm although Im sure there must > be one. I found the new virgin queen in the Nuc I was using to make a queen. > I couldn't find one in the queenless one today. I suppose Ill have to dump > them on a queen exclude to find her, but I prefer to just wait a while and > look for eggs. Im afraid if I try to catch them to paint them I might harm > them. Although I could use a little screen box to trap her and paint her. > Which is a good Idea. Next week Ill try. I hate to keep tearing them down > looking for the queen. > > Thanks > > Larry Article 24459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> <39075BCA.485E89D6@usol.com> Subject: Re: apistan strips Lines: 19 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:49:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956789348 12.72.43.41 (Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:49:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:49:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24459 Using TM now will also mean no supers. Again, if you did TM in the Fall I wouldn't worry. Many don't use TM at all. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "shelley corbin" wrote in message news:39075BCA.485E89D6@usol.com... > i didnt check for mites, i just assumed you always treat the hive twice. > once in the spring and once in the fall. my main concern is swarming, so > maybe i need to reconsider. what about the terramyacin? > Article 24460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> <390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:03:02 -0500 Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.65 Message-ID: <390774c7_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 26 Apr 2000 18:59:19 -0400, 208.24.176.65 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24460 George: As always a lot of good ideas and comments. I will do it this weekend. Thank you Larry "George Styer" wrote in message news:FnKN4.36262$WF.1752469@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Larry, > > If you have a virgin, it is highly likely that she will pass right through > an excluder. Dumping them through an excluder can be used to establish you > DO have a queen (i.e. you see her) but if you don't find one it is not proof > that you DO NOT. > > If you are timid about picking up a queen for fear that you might damage > her, then you probably will. Finger/thumb pressure is hard to control if you > are anxious. Cut about a 2" square of 1/4" hardware cloth and gently set it > on the queen. With very little pressure her thorax will pop through the mesh > and she will be a cinch to mark. Make sure you hold her there a couple of > minutes before you release her so the paint sets. Testers model paint pens > work well but make sure you don't have a big drop of paint on the tip. > Practice on some drones first > > I hope things get straightened out for you. I know you have had more than > your share of queen/temperament problems the last couple of years. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com... > > As you can see I have Queen problems. I looked on all 3 frames and did NOT > > see any eggs. I also didn't see one in the swarm although Im sure there > must > > be one. I found the new virgin queen in the Nuc I was using to make a > queen. > > I couldn't find one in the queenless one today. I suppose Ill have to > dump > > them on a queen exclude to find her, but I prefer to just wait a while and > > look for eggs. Im afraid if I try to catch them to paint them I might harm > > them. Although I could use a little screen box to trap her and paint her. > > Which is a good Idea. Next week Ill try. I hate to keep tearing them down > > looking for the queen. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > Article 24461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <8e3cle$s7o$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk><39053f08_1@news.vic.com> <8e60qq$kjk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk><3907160e_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:57:50 -0500 Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.65 Message-ID: <3907738f_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 26 Apr 2000 18:54:07 -0400, 208.24.176.65 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24461 At the time of the swarm. I had one double hive and one NEW nuc, just purchased. The swarm was about the size of my double queenless hive, so I know it didn't come from there, its still full and the nuc didn't have that many bees. Im NOT complaining. I couldn't have coma at a better time. I was hoping to get 2 or more supers of honey from that double this year until I lost the queen. Now I have a 75% full super an empty super and a full size box with about 20lbs of honey in it. Larry Larry "James Kilty" wrote in message news:aL6n4OA+72B5EwWl@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <3907160e_2@news.vic.com>, Larry W > writes > >However on Easter morning the > >> Easter > >> > bunny left me a large 5lb or bigger swarm 10 foot from my front door 4ft > >> > from the ground hanging down onto the ground. > > > >> --------- Where did that come from??? ***** Like I said , the Easter > >bunny. > >Good question. I live in the country and there are NO beekeepers withen 20 > >miles of here that anyone knows about and they could NOT have been from my > >hive. > It is such a common belief among a proportion of beekeepers that a swarm > could not have come from their own hive!! Of course if there was an > unnoticed feral colony in the house that might have made a swarm. > However, with all that supersedure cells and queen excluders and so on, > there might have been 2 queens there. I know usually they would fight it > out but you never know! By the way, Easter bunnies tend to have lots of > little bunnies not swarms of bees, or they leave chocolates and things > around the garden for little (and big) kids to find. > -- > James Kilty Article 24462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1921 Big Johnson on ebay? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:46:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <39078db0.16982864@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24462 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=311174058 Greg the beekeep Article 24463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees not in supers Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:06:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24463 Hi guys, I've got two hives that I started last June. They got pretty full toward the end of the summer, so I put another brood box on each of them. I didn't put on any supers since it was so late in the year & they made it through the winter fine. They both swarmed a couple of weeks ago (I got the supers on late), but they still seem to have plenty of bees in both of them. I put a queen excluder and supers on both of them about three weeks ago & the bees haven't even started drawing the supers out yet. One hive had just a little left to draw out in the second brood box and the other had about a third of the 2nd brood box left to draw when I put the supers on. There are bees in the supers, but not many at all. Is there any way I can encourage them to work on the supers? From where I am now, how much honey can I expect to produce this year? Also, I caught one of the swarms & it's a pretty good sized one. They are drawing comb pretty quickly. Should I put on a second brood box when they get pretty far along on the first one, or should I put on honey supers? I'm not real clear on when one should add a brood box v/s adding honey supers. Should the goal be two brood boxes before adding supers? If I have two brood boxes filled with a good bit of honey at the end of the year, do I need to leave any additional honey for the bees? Thanks for the help, Rodney Isom **************** rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net Arab, AL (remove the obvious part to reply) Article 24464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not in supers Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 2000 03:20:56 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000426232056.02089.00002917@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24464 From rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net Arab, AL >Should I put on a second brood box when they >get pretty far along on the first one, or should I put on honey supers? I'd vote for putting on supers. Double story hives are needed for overwintering in the north, but are really hard to manage in the south, (I'm in SC) where single brood chambers work much better. On a double, you have quite a time to pull the bees thru an excluder in spotty southern flows. You can work without an excluder, but also run the risk of having the queen fill everything with brood, and have no honey, even for winter food, come fall. Get all your bees back into single deeps, and you'll have little trouble getting them to move thru the excluder. Each area has different requirements. Following procedures that work well in another area of the country may get you into trouble here. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: LIGURIAN BEES Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:14:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8e8er1$p8b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.18.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 27 04:14:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.18.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24465 I wonder if Italian bees are effective in hot weathers? your comments please. ************************** In article , James Kilty wrote: > In article , Ray Banks > writes > >HELLO EVERYONE! I AM IN CENTRAL QUEENSLAND, AUSTRALIA & AM LOOKING FOR INFO > >ON THE ABOVE SPECIES. > >WHERE IT ORIGINATES FROM, WHAT IT'S PLACE IN BEEKEEPING IS ( IF ANY ) AND > >WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANYONE WITH THIS SPECIES IN AUSTRALIA. ANYONE > >INTERESTED CAN EMAIL ME ON bankse@bigpond.com. > apis mellifera ligustica the so called Italian bee (from N Italy). It is > the bee of choice (not me) in most parts of the world including Oz and > NZ. Most of the beekeepers locally probably have it. > -- > James Kilty > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-176-10.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1921 Big Johnson on ebay? Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:09:27 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <39078db0.16982864@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b0.0a X-Server-Date: 27 Apr 2000 05:12:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24466 In article <39078db0.16982864@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=311174058 > > Greg the beekeep HELL! I thought you meant Kevin Johnson's wife was auctioning him off! I woulda put up $0.30, just to keep him off the streets! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3907CEB0.15E06564@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> From: "S. R. Jones" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Spire Technologies Cache-Post-Path: gaspra.spiretech.com!unknown@h55.agalis.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 38 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:22:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.200.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 956812966 207.173.200.229 (Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:22:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:22:46 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24467 Thanks to all...I've received some great ideas to try this weekend. -srj Remove the NOSPAM in srjones@lycosmailNOSPAM.com to reply. "S. R. Jones" wrote: > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particulary mean. Of > the 7 times I've been stung this year, 6 have been directly attributable > to this one hive. Although it has taught me to be extra careful in > wearing protective gear, I'm looking for a good way to calm the meanest > of bees long enough for me to requeen with gentle stock. I'd really > hope to wait untill the fall (to requeen) but I need to do something > with this one now. > > The question(s): > > What can I do to keep an easily-provoked-to-attack colony from going > into attack mode? > > In an old beekeeping book, I read that if you put ammonium nitrate into > a hot smoker it will produce NO2 (Nitrous Oxide aka laughing gas) which > is supposed to calm mean bees. Has anyone actually done this? > > I've also heard that spraying them down with warm water (or sugar water) > could help??? > > Some more background information: Trying to make sure that it wasn't me > doing something wrong, I have... > a) made sure I have clean clothing/gloves/equipment. > b) given the right amount of smoke (not too much or too little) > c) been extra gentle in handling. The seem to be easily provoked if > _anything_ is abrubtly jarred. > > Thanks in advance > > -SRJ Article 24468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:43:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 27 07:43:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24468 Since a week ago and still this bird giving me headache. I almost lost my mind because they are attack my hive in groups of approx. thirty of them. I realized that the hive population reduce dramatically even though it was strong and had good build-up during early spring. When the birds appear the bees activities greatly stopped. no bee in no bees out. I believe that bees sense the bird and are afraid to go for nectar. Do any body have experience with such birds? How to get red of them? Do not tell me change the hive location since it is impossible to do that for many reasons. I glad to read from you. Best wishes You can reach me on of the following addresses: asiray0a@anet.net.sa asiray0a@hotmail.com asiray0@mail.com asiray0a@aramco.com.sa abcdef_sa_2000@yahoo.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:17:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8e97jp$jei$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7mrK4.2939$LM6.106745@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dl0k5$lo6$0@63.68.70.85> <8dnt31$tbr$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8dq2i2$m8a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3901e3a3$1_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.231 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 27 11:17:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 PROXY2, 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.18.4.231 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24469 In article <3901e3a3$1_2@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" wrote: > How about sumac poising of yourself from the smoke. I get poison oak or Ivy > or sumac poising (rash) everytime I get in the smoke from one of them being > burned. > > Larry > This type of sumac is the staghorn sumac - identified by red berries growing in an upward cluster, as opposed to a downward cluster of white berries for the posion variety - the native americans used it in their pipes also, and at one time in early america, it was more popular that tobacco. -- Duane L. Rezac drezac@greenapple.com www.greenapple.com/~drezac Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 2000 13:59:34 GMT References: <3907CEB0.15E06564@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000427095934.17102.00000011@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24470 Forget ammonium nitrate it is just as likely to make cyanide as laughing gas. Bring a few bottom boards with you and some lids. If the hive is very mean haul it behind some obstacle and put each box on it's own bottom. Put a box with a few brood combs on the original site for the field bees to return too. Spray the bees with some sugar water helps slow them down a bit. If you think you are gonna get your pockets stung shut take a bennedryl. Masking tape is good for sealing up sleeves and such on your clothing. The neck seems to be where I was stung the most with a real mean hive last year. Now get the job done. Go through each of the boxes and find the queen. From one mean hive last year I was able to make 4 new colonies that overwintered . The box on the original stand was combined with a queenright hive using newspaper because I learned the hard way that field bees are not kind to new queens. I have also had a hive so mean it had to be destroyed. So many bees hanging off the veil as to obscure vision. So many bouncing off of me it sounds like popcorn popping. In a white sweatshirt over bee coveralls there were a good 150 stingers. There is no advantage to mean bees and still I felt bad about destroying that colony. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:00:07 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 20 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8e9d5v$5df$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> <390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24471 > If you have a virgin, it is highly likely that she will pass right through > an excluder. I'm rather curious about this statement. My understanding is that excluders work because the thorax of a queen is larger than the gap between the wires, and that the thorax size is already established when the queen emerges from her cell. I personally have never had many instances of queens -- mated or unmated -- getting through excluders in 25 years and thousands of hives. Nonetheless, I have seldom run bees through excluders to check for queens, so perhaps this is different, my understanding is wrong, or bees act differently in different areas of the country. Can anyone else confirm from actual experience that virgins are 'highly likely' to pass through a good, properly made queen excluder? allen Article 24472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:28:23 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 14 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8e9equ$72l$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000426143820.24195.00002524@ng-fj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24472 > When I worked for a commercial beekeeper we used car oil (I think) soaked corn > cobs. They worked well. > > I have also used well dried cow manure. It works well, having a smell somewhat > like peat, which for those in some places might work as well Don't use anything in your smoker that you would not put into your mouth. FWIW, used engine oil is a known carcinogen. allen Article 24473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:24:44 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 15 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24473 > Just heard on the news that the NZ beekeepers Association is recommending > the destruction of all Bees in the Varroa mite exclusion zone, which takes > in a big area If anyone is keeping a list, Please be sure that you put me down as one that has said that this has been tried elsewhere and has *never* worked. For the record, this is dumb idea and will inevitably fail, but it will take years to find that out. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. allen Article 24474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:08:59 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 20 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8e9dmk$66u$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <39041ac2.36022671@news1.radix.net> <39051C6B.D08AD481@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24474 > > It sounds like they are just bees being bees. They probably sense > > your fear. If you are afraid of a few stings, perhaps you should look > > for another hobby No beekeeper should go without getting stung regularly. Besides all the health benefits, the occasional sting helps ensure that you do not become seriously allergic to bees stings. The risk of allergy is higher than average in those who are exposed to beekeeping and who don't get stung, such as wives and children. (Here's a good reason for the kids to help out with the bees). allen ---- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: package bees vs. winter bees, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, unwrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen died! Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:31:52 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 19 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8e9f1d$78v$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <1895-390642C6-12@storefull-146.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24475 > So, I surmised that somehow she died or was rejected. I took a frame of > eggs and young larva from one of the other hives and placed them in the > queenless one, hoping that they'll raise a new queen. > > My question is: Should I have contacted the supplier for a replacement > queen or do any of you think it's to late? It's been about 10 days since > I hived them. If we lose a queen in a package, and have no replacements, we combine them with another package in hopes of either splitting later or having a an extra strong hive. The advantage to combining and then splitting later is that the split will not just have old bees, assuming the split is made a while after new brood is emerging. allen Article 24476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:20:01 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 26 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8e9ek2$6tq$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3907CEB0.15E06564@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust48.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24476 > > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particularly mean > Thanks to all...I've received some great ideas to try this weekend. > -srj Yes, the ideas are good ones, but you don't say how urban your yard is and if there are people or animals nearby. Some of the techniques described could cause an uproar if this is truly a vicious hive. We cannot guess your circumstances in regards hives size, flows, possible robbing, etc., but we gather you are somewhat inexperienced. As Winnie-the -Pooh says, "You never can tell with bees". If there is any risk, please be sure to load the hive up at night and take it somewhere a long way from people and let it calm down before you try these tricks. For that matter, sometimes just moving a hive will change its temper. allen ---- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: package bees vs. winter bees, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, unwrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Virtual Beekeeping Gallery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:51:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8e7njv$53q$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956820608 nnrp-02:28633 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24477 In article <8e7njv$53q$1@wanadoo.fr>, Gilles RATIA - APISERVICES writes >Go to http://www.beekeeping.com/ well worth a visit -- James Kilty Article 24478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 2000 15:03:40 GMT References: <8e9d5v$5df$1@news.smartworld.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000427110340.19090.00002381@nso-fh.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24478 In article <8e9d5v$5df$1@news.smartworld.net>, "Allen Dick" writes: > >Can anyone else confirm from actual experience that virgins are 'highly >likely' to pass through a good, properly made queen excluder? > >allen In the old days, I used excluders to make double queen units, never had it happen. Old days means my back was young and strong. Article 24479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 16 Message-ID: <17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8e9dmk$66u$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRQbFKfYpxkcF5RchRkBvroz/hbZQIUONz44nONFZArsZig3UaskipPpic= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24479 Allen, Is there some published research on allergic reactions in regard to being stung (as a prophylactic measure) as well as those close to bees having a higher rate of allergic reactions if not stung? I am curious because this is a major concern for one of my kids who has not been stung but has been to the hospital a number of times for anaphylactic reactions to food and asthma attacks. Thanks. Hank To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39082F10.DE2D5CC3@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> <3906DDA8.7D47C90D@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 X-Trace: /ba9QYcOgKPl+rErDf5UZaS9Uu+hkX8DNNGLWmpkRIUlB3XAhtiLbuZmzkwdIguVs7K2Fkx/21t9!Vxc0l3BvyQtAt7U+mKl4wGnXdxy2GKFL9QEZm+PnqHv7euJ6bafBbwoa4oCiX5znqFy2hCsdlA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:01:28 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:01:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24480 George Styer wrote: > > Have to disagree with this. Barry was correct. 2:1 (water:sugar) is a good > ratio to stimulate wax and brood production. 1:1 is also fine but 1:2 is > usually used in the fall when you want them to put up stores for the winter. > I would also discourage the use of boiling water as it can caramelize the > sugar. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message > news:3906DDA8.7D47C90D@atlas.localdomain... > > > > The 2 parts water to 1 part sugar is too thin. Use 2 parts sugar to 1 > > part water or 1-to-1 ratio. Have boiling water (off the stove) and add > > sugar to it or pour boiling water over the sugar. It will disolve > > better. Do not cook. > > > > Louise I got my recipe from a state agricultural agent in North Carolina, who is an experienced beekeeper, and from two "old timers" in my area. Where did you get your information? Louise Article 24481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> <390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com> <8e9d5v$5df$1@news.smartworld.net> Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Lines: 66 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <6M%N4.25982$PV.1843625@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:35:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956860546 12.72.40.94 (Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:35:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:35:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24481 Perhaps "highly likely" was too strong. In my 25 years I have never had anywhere near the number of hives you run but the statement was based on several observations. I think that ANY queen is going to be reluctant to pass through and excluder if she doesn't have to, regardless of her ability or inability to do so but it does happen rarely. In my case it was when I had cut-comb on. But my post was in regards to passing bees through an excluder. I will relate the most recent experience that is fresh enough in my mind that I used the words "highly likely". It was 2 year ago that I had a single hive cast out 6 swarms. This occurred from Mar 1st through Mar 14th during the El Nino phenomenon. I captured all 6 and wanted to combine the 5 afterswarms with the prime. To do this, I dumped each afterswarm onto a queen excluder between 2 deeps. In each of the 5 cases I saw the virgin queen pass through the excluder. On 2 occasions she apparently went through so rapidly that I had to repeat the process because I did not see her the first time. These were wire excluders. I don't recall whether or not I used the same excluder each time. These were well fed and cared for queens from a very strong colony, although a bit early for a normal year. In this case it could have been an isolated incident explained by genetics and a small thorax. It could be that my local mongrel Italians are small when they emerge (although once mated they are quite large). It could have been El Nino. But for whatever reason, I will never again rely on a queen excluder to verify that there is NOT a queen present. This would be an interesting study if it has not already been done. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8e9d5v$5df$1@news.smartworld.net... > > If you have a virgin, it is highly likely that she will pass right through > > an excluder. > > I'm rather curious about this statement. My understanding is that excluders > work because the thorax of a queen is larger than the gap between the wires, > and that the thorax size is already established when the queen emerges from > her cell. > > I personally have never had many instances of queens -- mated or unmated -- > getting through excluders in 25 years and thousands of hives. Nonetheless, > I have seldom run bees through excluders to check for queens, so perhaps > this is different, my understanding is wrong, or bees act differently in > different areas of the country. > > Can anyone else confirm from actual experience that virgins are 'highly > likely' to pass through a good, properly made queen excluder? > > allen > > Article 24482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> <3906DDA8.7D47C90D@atlas.localdomain> <39082F10.DE2D5CC3@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:49:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.174.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 956861385 24.147.174.206 (Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:49:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:49:45 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24482 So are we saying 2:1 (water:sugar) is a good ratio to stimulate wax and brood production. 1:1 (water:sugar) is a good ratio to feed in the spring time. 1:2 (water:sugar) is a good ratio to feed in the fall time. Dave Louise Adderholdt wrote in message news:39082F10.DE2D5CC3@atlas.localdomain... > George Styer wrote: > > > > Have to disagree with this. Barry was correct. 2:1 (water:sugar) is a good > > ratio to stimulate wax and brood production. 1:1 is also fine but 1:2 is > > usually used in the fall when you want them to put up stores for the winter. > > I would also discourage the use of boiling water as it can caramelize the > > sugar. > > > > -- > > Geo > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > > "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message > > news:3906DDA8.7D47C90D@atlas.localdomain... > > > > > > The 2 parts water to 1 part sugar is too thin. Use 2 parts sugar to 1 > > > part water or 1-to-1 ratio. Have boiling water (off the stove) and add > > > sugar to it or pour boiling water over the sugar. It will disolve > > > better. Do not cook. > > > > > > Louise > > I got my recipe from a state agricultural agent in North Carolina, who > is an experienced beekeeper, and from two "old timers" in my area. > Where did you get your information? > > Louise Article 24483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.servint.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Amschel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:47:12 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:43:59 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24483 Go to alt.sport.air-guns I like the German RSW Diana Luftgewehr. wrote in message news:8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Since a week ago and still this bird giving me headache. I almost lost my > mind because they are attack my hive in groups of approx. thirty of them. I > realized that the hive population reduce dramatically even though it was > strong and had good build-up during early spring. When the birds appear the > bees activities greatly stopped. no bee in no bees out. I believe that bees > sense the bird and are afraid to go for nectar. > > Do any body have experience with such birds? How to get red of them? Do not > tell me change the hive location since it is impossible to do that for many > reasons. > > I glad to read from you. > Best wishes > You can reach me on of the following addresses: > asiray0a@anet.net.sa > asiray0a@hotmail.com > asiray0@mail.com > asiray0a@aramco.com.sa > abcdef_sa_2000@yahoo.com > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 2000 20:32:08 GMT References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000427163208.14594.00000140@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24484 Before anybody can answer your question, you will need to tell us where you are located. I know there is a brightly colored bird (name escapes me) that lives in the south of France as I recall, that is a pest of honey bees. I am unaware of any bird like the one you describe in North America, which is why I suspect you may be from another continent than the one where I am located. Article 24485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prairie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!142.77.1.188!news.uunet.ca!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.inter.net.il!not-for-mail From: "÷åáé ñäø" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ISRAEL - HIGH TECH OF WORLD AGRICULTURE Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:23:46 +0200 Organization: Internet Gold, ISRAEL Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8ea7lk$994$1@news3.inter.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.8.237.90 X-Trace: news3.inter.net.il 956867060 9508 213.8.237.90 (27 Apr 2000 20:24:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@inter.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2000 20:24:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24485 ISRAEL - HIGH TECH OF WORLD AGRICULTURE We will assist you in making each hectare more productive! 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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:04:54 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 23 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust47.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8ea63d$ai3$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3904B439.B8AA3734@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust47.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24486 > >know an inspector who burned up his car because the burlap wasn't > >completely out. > > This made me think of a tip I've got for storing your smoker. I have a > metal container that originally held popcorn. We've use ammo boxes and metal pails with good results, but lately, we've built some smoker boxes that work well. The fuel and matches and paper go in the middle, and the smokers go on the outside two compartments. Pictures are in my diary below. (Thursday 28 April 2000 entry) allen ---Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild honey bees Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 2000 20:42:38 GMT References: <39053887.FCC55CB7@losch.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000427164238.14591.00000141@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24487 Could be a new beekeeper has moved in somewhere, or a recent swarm settled nearby. Article 24488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:54:37 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24488 13 April 2000 Nature 404, 723 (2000) © Macmillan Publishers Ltd. Insect behaviour: Parasitic honeybees get royal treatment MADELEINE BEEKMAN, JOHAN N. M. CALIS & WILLEM JAN BOOT Since the human-assisted movement of the Cape honeybee Apis mellifera capensis out of its native territory, its workers have invaded colonies of the African honeybee A. m. scutellata. When this happens, their ovaries develop and they begin to reproduce, which results in the death of the scutellata queen, and eventually in either the death of the colony or the production of a capensis (worker-produced) queen. We have found that capensis larvae alter the behaviour of non-capensis workers and receive royal treatment, resulting in adult females with queenlike characteristics (pseudoqueens). Article 24489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apistan strips Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 2000 21:32:22 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000427173222.14593.00000178@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24489 George wrote: <> There seems to be two schools of thought right now on when to use Apistan strips. One recommends that you only treat if you detect a certain number of varroa. This method calls for periodic monitoring of the hives—i.e., going around to every hive you own and putting a couple of hundred broodnest bees in a jar and using either 1) engine starter to kill the bees and the mites, and counting the mites, or 2) putting 200 broodnest bees in a jar with confectionery sugar and shaking them up, which will cause the mites to come loose. These tests seem impractical for someone with a large number of hives because it would be too expensive (time and money) to test every hive. For others, like hobbyists, these tests may seem like a great shock to the colony, and hobbyists may feel that, through enthusiasm or inexperience, they are disrupting their hives more than they already should. Also many hobbyists, it seems, are uncertain about being able to spot a queen in a crowd in the broodnest, and don't want to inadvertently lose a queen to a varroa test. Another test is to put a sticky board in the bottom of the hive and an Apistan strip in the broodnest, then counting the mite fall. If a certain number falls, then treat. The problem is, how many times during the active season do you want to slip a strip in your hive? The second school of thought is to treat twice yearly, spring and fall. Sometimes you will treat when a treatment is unnecessary. This, IMO, is the better way to go. Why? For these reasons: > Varroa can invade heavily and quickly, especially in the spring if a hive crashes nearby. If you do the ether or sugar roll today, how do you know when a 1,000 mites move in 3 days from now on drifting bees from a nearby crashing hive. > If you wait until you detect mites, it may be too late. > Varroa can invade one hive in an apiary and not another, at least to begin with. If you only test one or a few hives in your apiary, that doesn't mean that another hasn't got the mites, or won't have them soon. > If there is no varroa, a prophalactic treatment (when little or no varroa are present) will not contribute to the buildup of resistance in the mites, since there are no mites to be affected. Article 24490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ahb in southwest usa Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:33:36 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24490 for stories on continuing spread of africanized bees see: http://www.msnbc.com/news/393555.asp?cp1=1&cp1=1 http://www10.nytimes.com:80/library/national/science/042500sci-animal-bee.ht ml Article 24491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:03:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3908b8e2.38404328@news1.radix.net> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000427163208.14594.00000140@ng-ch1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p40.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24491 On 27 Apr 2000 20:32:08 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >Before anybody can answer your question, you will need to tell us where you are >located. I know there is a brightly colored bird (name escapes me) that lives >in the south of France as I recall, that is a pest of honey bees. I am unaware >of any bird like the one you describe in North America, which is why I suspect >you may be from another continent than the one where I am located. Guessing from his email address I would say South Africa. Greg the beekeep Article 24492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: LIGURIAN BEES Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:14:01 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8eaic7$6h0$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8e8er1$p8b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-46.berkelium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 956878023 6688 62.136.68.46 (27 Apr 2000 23:27:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2000 23:27:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24492 They are all effective in hot weather - it is the cold and wet that causes the problems! wrote in message news:8e8er1$p8b$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I wonder if Italian bees are effective in hot weathers? your comments please. > ************************** > In article , > James Kilty wrote: > > In article , Ray Banks > > writes > > >HELLO EVERYONE! I AM IN CENTRAL QUEENSLAND, AUSTRALIA & AM LOOKING FOR INFO > > >ON THE ABOVE SPECIES. > > >WHERE IT ORIGINATES FROM, WHAT IT'S PLACE IN BEEKEEPING IS ( IF ANY ) AND > > >WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANYONE WITH THIS SPECIES IN AUSTRALIA. ANYONE > > >INTERESTED CAN EMAIL ME ON bankse@bigpond.com. > > apis mellifera ligustica the so called Italian bee (from N Italy). It is > > the bee of choice (not me) in most parts of the world including Oz and > > NZ. Most of the beekeepers locally probably have it. > > -- > > James Kilty > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:16:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <8eaic8$6h0$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> <390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-46.berkelium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 956878024 6688 62.136.68.46 (27 Apr 2000 23:27:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2000 23:27:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24493 I hate to keep tearing them down > looking for the queen. > > Thanks > > Larry > -------------------------------------------- I expect that the bees feel that way too! Try to resist for a week or two - you may be pleasantly surprised when you do look in. Article 24494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:25:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8eaic9$6h0$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <8e3cle$s7o$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <39053f08_1@news.vic.com> <8e60qq$kjk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <3907160e_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-46.berkelium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 956878025 6688 62.136.68.46 (27 Apr 2000 23:27:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2000 23:27:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24494 Larry W wrote in message news:3907160e_2@news.vic.com... > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:8e60qq$kjk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > Larry W wrote in message > > news:39053f08_1@news.vic.com... > > > Peter: > > > I checked 2 weekends ago and found NO eggs. and several supercedure > > > cells. So I put in a queen excluder between the bodies, it was a double. > > > --------- Why? ********To see if there was a hatched queen and in which > box so I wouldnt introduce a bought queen and have her killed --------------But why buy a queen when you have perfectly good supersedure cells that you are allowing to hatch? Trying to introduce a new queen into a hive in that condition is unlikely to succeed; so have some patience and let them produce their new queen - if you do not like her, then you can requeen the colony when it is in a normal condition, i.e. with a laying queen and brood in all stages. Article 24495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:11:39 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24495 Some time back I'd found an article that described the physical differences between the European and AHB. Just when I need it, I seem to have lost that link. Can anyone point me to a source of info whereby one can distinguish between the two? TIA Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:sghg2a4mqtj145@corp.supernews.com... > for stories on continuing spread of africanized bees see: > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/393555.asp?cp1=1&cp1=1 > > http://www10.nytimes.com:80/library/national/science/042500sci-animal-bee.ht > ml > > Article 24496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees not in supers... Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:28:16 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24496 Hi guys, I've got two hives that I started last June. They got pretty full toward the end of the summer, so I put another brood box on each of them. I didn't put on any supers since it was so late in the year & they made it through the winter fine. They both swarmed a couple of weeks ago (I got the supers on late), but they still seem to have plenty of bees in both of them. I put a queen excluder and supers on both of them about three weeks ago & the bees haven't even started drawing the supers out yet. One hive had just a little left to draw out in the second brood box and the other had about a third of the 2nd brood box left to draw when I put the supers on. There are bees in the supers, but not many at all. Is there any way I can encourage them to work on the supers? From where I am now, how much honey can I expect to produce this year? Also, I caught one of the swarms & it's a pretty good sized one. They are drawing comb pretty quickly. Should I put on a second brood box when they get pretty far along on the first one, or should I put on honey supers? I'm not real clear on when one should add a brood box v/s adding honey supers. Should the goal be two brood boxes before adding supers? If I have two brood boxes filled with a good bit of honey at the end of the year, do I need to leave any additional honey for the bees? Thanks for the help, Rodney Isom **************** rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net Arab, AL (remove the obvious part to reply) Article 24497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:02:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8earg8$eie$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3907CEB0.15E06564@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <8e9ek2$6tq$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.45 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 28 02:02:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.45 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24497 I had one(of 19) last year that I started using a swarm queen cell. they did build well but had a rotten demeanor. I had skunk problems too but after dispatching 4of them the assaults abated. This one had no evidence of skunks though so I blame it on the testy queen. Do your self a favor smoke lightly find the queen and squish her like the bug she is. plug in a new,hopefully calmer one. incidentally I've read that after you introduce a caged queen the hive should be 'no touch' for 7 days.No peeking,not just one frame looksee, nothing. I would NEVER unleash her plug. take a paper clip an poke a very small hole through the sugar if you must. 3-4 days isn't enough. especially with a hive of age. I don't relish getting stung either as I don't wear gloves anymore. But I know what it's like to have an 'unreasonably aggressive' hive. They suck. Hope it works out for you, Mike "Allen Dick" wrote: > > > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particularly mean > > > Thanks to all...I've received some great ideas to try this weekend. > > -srj > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:32:23 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 14 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust176.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8eap4h$f15$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8e9dmk$66u$1@news.smartworld.net> <17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust176.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24498 > Is there some published research on allergic reactions in regard to > being stung (as a prophylactic measure) as well as those close to bees > having a higher rate of allergic reactions if not stung... I'm sure there is, but I don't know where. I think if you searched this list's archives and those of BEE-L you might get some pointers to people who have worked on this, otherwise, I don't know. Maybe someone else has more info. A lot of new pages come onto the net daily, including research and medical advise. allen Article 24499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 2000 02:25:01 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000427222501.10659.00000133@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24499 Cape bees are not bio control for africanized honey bees. They may be a worst pest for beekeepers than AHB, since they cause honeybee colonies, European and African, to go haywire and self destruct. God help us all if some misguided fool ever decides to introduce the Cape bee in Europe, America (North or South), Australia, or elsewhere. Article 24500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not in supers... Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:12:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 70 Message-ID: <8eas2n$f6f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.45 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 28 02:12:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.45 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24500 Put the unfinished frames, which I suspect are the outer ones, in the center of the top deep. they'll get after them quickly. sounds like your nectar flow might be slowing down if they're not up yet but sometimes i've seen bees fill an entire deep super with honey and still resist going through an excluder. you might try removing it also. Personally I refuse to add supers before the main two chambers are DONE. Up here the two deeps are the winter stores and they'd much rather build foundation in a vertical path before they go to the outer ones. So avoid the 'chimney effect' and get them to finish the deeps first (my opinion) Where are you geographically? I'm waiting for dandelions still... mike In article , "Rodney Isom" wrote: > Hi guys, > > I've got two hives that I started last June. They got pretty full toward > the end of the summer, so I put another brood box on each of them. I didn't > put on any supers since it was so late in the year & they made it through > the winter fine. They both swarmed a couple of weeks ago (I got the supers > on late), but they still seem to have plenty of bees in both of them. I put > a queen excluder and supers on both of them about three weeks ago & the bees > haven't even started drawing the supers out yet. One hive had just a little > left to draw out in the second brood box and the other had about a third of > the 2nd brood box left to draw when I put the supers on. There are bees in > the supers, but not many at all. Is there any way I can encourage them to > work on the supers? From where I am now, how much honey can I expect to > produce this year? > > Also, I caught one of the swarms & it's a pretty good sized one. They are > drawing comb pretty quickly. Should I put on a second brood box when they > get pretty far along on the first one, or should I put on honey supers? I'm > not real clear on when one should add a brood box v/s adding honey supers. > Should the goal be two brood boxes before adding supers? If I have two > brood boxes filled with a good bit of honey at the end of the year, do I > need to leave any additional honey for the bees? > > Thanks for the help, > > Rodney Isom > **************** > rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net > Arab, AL > (remove the obvious part to reply) > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: joedewitt@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive beetle Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:26:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8eassd$g3c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.200.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 28 02:01:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.200.52 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24501 i was wondering if anyone in or around ohio have or have checked for the hive beetle? I think this is going to maby out do the mites, I hope not! What do you think? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Piping sounds Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:33:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8eataf$glb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39061ef7_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.45 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 28 02:33:51 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.45 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24502 Larry, Nevermind about listening for her. It's a neat sound to be sure but it's got little to nothing to do with laying. They make sounds when there pissed. Look for eggs. lift a frame Got Eggs? If so she's doing it. Unless of course you have more than one. Unusual? yes. but not uncommon. I squished one last year and introduced a new one. two weeks later I find that one dead and a heavy handed layer working away. (there were no queen cells found before hand BTW) Mother-daughter arrangements can happen. Mike in VT In article <39061ef7_2@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" wrote: > Where can I found some information on the queens piping sounds. I would > think if you could hear this sound than you could be reasonably sure you > have a queen and she's laying. Correct? > > Larry > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ Beekeeping contacts Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:11:57 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8eau1q$3s9$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p104.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 956889978 3977 203.96.192.232 (28 Apr 2000 02:46:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2000 02:46:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24503 Greetings All Many thanks for your comments relating to the Varroa mite. Latest update the Beekeepers Assoc meets with Govt officials on Monday and last I heard the NBA was going to recommend destruction. I received a phone call yesterday from one who has been inspecting hives within the exclusion zone, during the course of discussions it was mentioned that most Northland beekeepers are against the mass destruction. I have emailed several people in the Beekeepers Assoc., regarding some of the advice given here. I'm not sure whether this will help but two contacts I came up with are Ministry of Agriculture & Fishery Ofiicer in Hamilton Murray Reid email reidm@agriquality.co.nz The National Beekeepers' Association email natbeeknz@xtra.co.nz The main spokesperson so far for the NBA seems to be Lin McKenzie lin.mckenzie@xtra.co.nz I probably wont be posting or emailing much over for a few days. Some pressing family matters must take precedence. If any further developments arise I'll let you all know. Many thanks for your advice and support carman Article 24504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.16.134!attmtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:06:07 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 43 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust245.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8eati3$mud$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> <390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com> <8e9d5v$5df$1@news.smartworld.net> <6M%N4.25982$PV.1843625@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust245.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24504 > I will relate the most recent experience that is fresh enough in my mind > that I used the words "highly likely". It was 2 year ago .... In each of the 5 cases I saw the virgin > queen pass through the excluder. On 2 occasions she apparently went through > so rapidly that I had to repeat the process because I did not see her the > first time. These were wire excluders. I don't recall whether or not I used > the same excluder each time. These were well fed and cared for queens from a > very strong colony, although a bit early for a normal year... >This would be an interesting study if it has not already been done Thanks for the observations. This is a fascinating area. Some time back, I measured quite a variety of excluders from various sources that I had lying around and put the results on a web page at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/Excluders.htm I've asked the following question before and never received an answer -- I wonder who decided what gap to use in queen excluders and why they all seem to be the same? As far as I can see, they all are made about the same, even though the changes in tolerances that we see as a result of time and rough handling do not seem to affect their efficiency. I wonder also what for what particular bees they were originally designed, since we know bees can vary quite a bit in size. We know that foundation varies in cell count (size) -- so why don't excluders? Could this explain why some people have no luck with excluders? Jerry B made an interesting post to BEE-L some time in the last six months about bees that went through pollen scrapers just fine in Montana, but on arrival several days later in Maryland could not get through the same scrapers. There are many things we do not understand, and examining anomalies -- things that do not go as expected by our current theories -- is often the path to new discoveries. Understanding this might open some new doors... allen Article 24505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39090C70.D105F22B@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not in supers... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 107 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:54:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.155 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 956894089 24.92.236.155 (Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:54:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:54:49 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24505 Rodney - Since the colonies swarmed, their productivity is going to be way down for a couple months. The populations have already been severely reduced by the casting of the swarms, and to boot, the laying queens took off with those swarms. Meaning there has been no egg-laying going on since. It takes a number of weeks before the replacement queens are mated and laying, so the colonies lose a few week's brood production. What you are apt to see is a further drop in the population, until a few cycles of new brood have been reared from the new queens' eggs. There will probably not be a whole lot of progress made in the supers you added until later, in the summer. Since they won't achieve full force again for a while, progress in the supers is apt to be very slow or nil. Another likely hindrance to their progress is the presence of a queen excluder beneath the new honey supers. The bees are often _very_ reluctant to get going with comb building in supers of foundation put on above an excluder. (That is, unless there are drawn and occupied combs somewhere up there already.) A common recommendation is to put supers of foundation on without any excluder, and then put the excluder in later, once the bees have drawn and occupied at least some of the combs. Once they are working well on both sides of an excluder, it will no longer act as such a barrier to nest expansion. Using two (deep) brood chambers is a sort of "standard practice" in much of North America (though certainly not adhered to by everyone). It is often recommended for hobbiests because it simplifies management: the reason for a double-deep hive is that it provides plenty of room for the brood production/egg-laying of a good prolific queen _and_ enough space for the food reserves required over winter and during periods of dearth. So it's not a bad idea to set the colonies up in a two-brood-chamber arrangement if you can, and maintain them that way. Another option, often preferred in the South, is to use one regular deep brood chamber plus a shallow or medium chamber above it. The resulting " 1-1/2" or "1-3/4" brood chamber hive is still large enough to accomodate a good queen's brood volume plus enough food stores for a mild to moderate winter. (An advantage to this configuration is that it eliminates the need to lift off a heavy deep chamber when inspecting the bottom-most box. A disadvantage is that the brood frames aren't all of the same size, and so aren't completely interchangeable -- not a big deal, in practice.) So it's up to you. Check around with others in your area and see what they prefer. In areas with long, harsh winters, two deep chambers (or three) are usually preferred, as they hold more food reserves. Incidentally, Walter T. Kelley, who was a commercial beekeeper in LA and KY, advised the regular use of double-deep hives even in the South. And no, you don't need to leave the bees with anything more than the two brood chambers at the close of the active season. As long as the upper one is full (or nearly full) of honey and pollen for winter reserves. That is how things should end up. At the final harvest-time, you take away all the supers above those two main chambers. Bear in mind that a colony will be slow to complete drawing of foundation in a box, if an additional chamber is added above it too soon. (That is why you can end up with some of the foundations remaining unfinished or completely undrawn.) A good rule of thumb is: _don't_ add an additional box until the one at the top of the hive has 7-8 combs well drawn and occupied. Once the colony has gotten to this point, take the unfinished foundations from the sides of the hive body and transfer them to the center positions, before adding the new chamber on top. This puts the unfinished foundation at the center of the hive where they will be drawn and finished rapidly, before the bees shift comb-drawing efforts up into the new chamber. (yikes!) hope this answers some of your questions have fun... Joel nr. Ithaca, NY Rodney Isom wrote: > Hi guys, > > I've got two hives that I started last June. They got pretty full toward > the end of the summer, so I put another brood box on each of them. I didn't > put on any supers since it was so late in the year & they made it through > the winter fine. They both swarmed a couple of weeks ago (I got the supers > on late), but they still seem to have plenty of bees in both of them. I put > a queen excluder and supers on both of them about three weeks ago & the bees > haven't even started drawing the supers out yet. One hive had just a little > left to draw out in the second brood box and the other had about a third of > the 2nd brood box left to draw when I put the supers on. There are bees in > the supers, but not many at all. Is there any way I can encourage them to > work on the supers? From where I am now, how much honey can I expect to > produce this year? > > Also, I caught one of the swarms & it's a pretty good sized one. They are > drawing comb pretty quickly. Should I put on a second brood box when they > get pretty far along on the first one, or should I put on honey supers? I'm > not real clear on when one should add a brood box v/s adding honey supers. > Should the goal be two brood boxes before adding supers? If I have two > brood boxes filled with a good bit of honey at the end of the year, do I > need to leave any additional honey for the bees? > > Thanks for the help, > > Rodney Isom > **************** > rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net > Arab, AL > (remove the obvious part to reply) Article 24506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <8e3cle$s7o$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <39053f08_1@news.vic.com> <8e60qq$kjk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <3907160e_2@news.vic.com> <8eaic9$6h0$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: How long to get queen and eggs Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:54:22 -0500 Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.51 Message-ID: <39090aa1$1_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 27 Apr 2000 23:50:57 -0400, 208.24.176.51 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.51 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24506 At the time I had ONE hive and as far as I know there is NOT a beekeeper within 20 miles of me. Is it wise to let a hive produce a queen with only your one hives drones to mate with. How about Inbreeding? Now I have that hive and a swarm and a nuc I bought so Had I had it to do now I would have let it alone. What upsets me is that hive was a double and strong and had already almost filled a super and was well on the way filling the second when the queen went missing. Now they have moved a lot of stores into the 2nd brood box. Larry "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8eaic9$6h0$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Larry W wrote in message > news:3907160e_2@news.vic.com... > > > > "Peter Edwards" wrote > in > > message news:8e60qq$kjk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > > > Larry W wrote in message > > > news:39053f08_1@news.vic.com... > > > > Peter: > > > > I checked 2 weekends ago and found NO eggs. and several > supercedure > > > > cells. So I put in a queen excluder between the bodies, it was a > double. > > > > > --------- Why? ********To see if there was a hatched queen and in which > > box so I wouldnt introduce a bought queen and have her killed > --------------But why buy a queen when you have perfectly good supersedure > cells that you are allowing to hatch? Trying to introduce a new queen into > a hive in that condition is unlikely to succeed; so have some patience and > let them produce their new queen - if you do not like her, then you can > requeen the colony when it is in a normal condition, i.e. with a laying > queen and brood in all stages. > > Article 24507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: adamsonj@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to start? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:30:00 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.20.a9.f1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 28 Apr 2000 04:30:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24507 Hi, A new"bee" question - how does one get started in beekeeping? Where does one get a swarm? I searched the internet but didn't find suppliers - found plenty of "hardware" suppliers but no bees - any pointers would be appreciated. TIA. adamsonj@ix.netcom.com Article 24508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:14:16 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 956895157 24788 130.216.90.132 (28 Apr 2000 04:12:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2000 04:12:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24508 In article <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net>, "Allen Dick" wrote: > > For the record, this is dumb idea and will inevitably fail, but it will take > years to find that out. > > Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. > Hmm, it could just work, given that the area is geographically small, so far well defined, doesn't have a massive population of inaccessible feral hives. Of course there are feral colonies, but visible and accessible, easy to destroy. I've been reading some of the claims for essential oils, and drone brood combs. Plausible, but, they would take discipline and dedication, precise dosing and timing. If NZ beekeepers were able to do this, how come they haven't got rid of AFB in the past 100 years? Varroa has arrived just as the NBA was swinging into action with the PMS to get rid of AFB by infected hive destruction. Killing two birds with the one stone may not be such a silly idea... -- Peter Kerr proficiency in vi School of Music is a sign of a University of Auckland mis-spent youth Article 24509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping contacts Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:25:54 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <8eau1q$3s9$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 956895856 24788 130.216.90.132 (28 Apr 2000 04:24:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2000 04:24:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24509 In article <8eau1q$3s9$1@news.wave.co.nz>, "Carman" wrote: > Latest update the Beekeepers Assoc meets with Govt officials on Monday and > last I heard the NBA was going to recommend destruction. > I received a phone call yesterday from one who has been inspecting hives > within the exclusion zone, during the course of discussions it was > mentioned that most Northland beekeepers are against the mass destruction. > What does "destruction" mean in this context? Just bees and brood comb, and fumigation of hives and furniture? Or burning the lot as for AFB? Interesting to read Granny Herald here in AKL, usually a rampant user-pays Tory rag ;-) Editorial the other day quite firmly said that the country depends on bees, and the country depends on the govt, thru border quarantine, to keep bee pests out, therefore the govt should pay for this failure of its border control. Idle speculation may be futile, but there were murmurings a few years back about bringing in some new genetic material. Even threats that if MAF wouldn't allow it thru its quarantined station at Mt Albert, someone might smuggle a fertilised queen. Well, they did it with the rabbit virus... -- Peter Kerr proficiency in vi School of Music is a sign of a University of Auckland mis-spent youth Article 24510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:47:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8eb9c2$sd$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8e9dmk$66u$1@news.smartworld.net> <17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 956901570 909 62.136.9.123 (28 Apr 2000 05:59:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2000 05:59:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24510 IBRA have material (and a web site). Hank Mishima wrote in message news:17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > Allen, > > Is there some published research on allergic reactions in regard to > being stung (as a prophylactic measure) as well as those close to bees > having a higher rate of allergic reactions if not stung? > > I am curious because this is a major concern for one of my kids who has > not been stung but has been to the hospital a number of times for > anaphylactic reactions to food and asthma attacks. > > Thanks. > > Hank > > To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org > Article 24511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3908EC90.2D4D4EA6@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to get eggs from Swarm References: <3903d2bf_1@news.vic.com> <39073188_2@news.vic.com> <390762fe$1_2@news.vic.com> <8e9d5v$5df$1@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 X-Trace: /bdhN9VwPBJ8peiKJBcNJzyCE5hPn/b+W7rogEIoGLm+j+BJZY78QeDhWseFQzUgvgk8xEzkj+hp!q7PZXdz/+qZDVMH/314khQLaaazFwkkIoZJ5yMT5/yM3QAZZJuxkQ5id/WGbqJQH2C7A13hv3Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:01:31 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:01:31 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24511 Allen Dick wrote: > > > If you have a virgin, it is highly likely that she will pass right through > > an excluder. > > I'm rather curious about this statement. My understanding is that excluders > work because the thorax of a queen is larger than the gap between the wires, > and that the thorax size is already established when the queen emerges from > her cell. > > I personally have never had many instances of queens -- mated or unmated -- > getting through excluders in 25 years and thousands of hives. Nonetheless, > I have seldom run bees through excluders to check for queens, so perhaps > this is different, my understanding is wrong, or bees act differently in > different areas of the country. > > Can anyone else confirm from actual experience that virgins are 'highly > likely' to pass through a good, properly made queen excluder? > > allen Is it a good or bad idea to put a queen excluder between a new hive and the first super? Some people say that it is a good idea so that the queen will not lay eggs in the super. Others say that it's not a good idea because the bees put wax all over the excluder hindering their easy passage inside the hive. Any ideas? Thanks. Louise Article 24512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <390970A1.F93B45B6@together.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:06:10 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees References: <8e9dmk$66u$1@news.smartworld.net> <17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8eap4h$f15$1@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-204-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 28 Apr 2000 07:13:17 -0500, dial-204-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 29 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.novia.net.MISMATCH!novia!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-204-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24512 My 12 year old daughter had an allergic reaction to a bee sting. Good thing we live only 5 miles from the hospital. Very scary situation. Anyway, she started venom therapy two months ago. They start out with .001 ug venom, and work up to 100 ug (equal to 1 sting). I asked the doctor about children and spouses being more often allergic than the general public. The answer - about 1 in 100 - 200 people are allergic to honey bee venom. About 1 in 10 members of a beekeeper's family will be allergic. That includes the beekeeper if he or she doesn't get stung regularly. Lesson - let me quote an old John Prine song Throw away yer bee gloves Rip up yer bee suit Try and make honey Take yer stings Mike Allen Dick wrote: > > Is there some published research on allergic reactions in regard to > > being stung (as a prophylactic measure) as well as those close to bees > > having a higher rate of allergic reactions if not stung... > > > > Article 24513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1921 Big Johnson on ebay? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 2000 11:17:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000428071730.14509.00000064@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24513 > >HELL! > >I thought you meant Kevin Johnson's wife was auctioning him off! I woulda >put up $0.30, just to keep him off the streets! > I like streets...they's a good supply fer road kill stew. Swarms like hell this year..rainy weather rite in the wrong time. There goes another bumper honey crop ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 24514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it possible. Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:30:35 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: <97xVmFAbZXC5EwZF@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: <8e703h$paa$1@news.omnitel.net> <390751ef.1686197@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 956921745 nnrp-11:21863 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 31 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24514 In article <390751ef.1686197@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net writes >On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:56:44 +0300, "Eurobee" <9846907@gsm.lt> wrote: > >>Hello. >> >>Is it possible to order queen from US to Europe. >>If You can give www address who ships. >> >>brgds, >>EuroBee >> >> >NO! > >Greg the beekeep > Sorry, that reply is completely wrong! I personally hold a license for importing from Hawaii to the UK, and queens from mainland USA breeders are commonly available from dealers in maainland Europe. If you wish to buy US queens in Europe go to http://www.apiservices.com/limousin-apiculture/reines.htm They sell USA queens at this time of year. I may be wrong but I believe they are from one of the Weavers in Texas. There are also other vendors. -- Murray McGregor Article 24515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.netins.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-183-212.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Egg Laying Workers Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:33:04 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b7.d4 X-Server-Date: 28 Apr 2000 13:34:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24515 Greetings, all... As I've mentioned before here recently, I lost most of my bees and my queen over the winter, apparantly as a result of Varroa mites. It now appears that, while I'm waiting for a swarm to put in the hive, I have a worker bee laying eggs. I'm curious about this phenomenon. How does it happen? Does she lay drones or workers? Any comments from the cognicenti? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:36:24 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24516 Dusty Bleher wrote: Some time back I'd found an article that described the physical differences between the European and AHB. Just when I need it, I seem to have lost that link. Can anyone point me to a source of info whereby one can distinguish between the two? identification continues to be problematic...the two methods most often used, morphometrics and mitochondrial dna, may have a possible error of up to 25% each, yielding false positives/negatives... Article 24517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: articles on cape bees Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:14:55 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24517 cross-posted for information/discussion purposes: sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Subject: ABC News article on 'killer bees' Date: 04/13/2000 Author: Matthew Pollard This is worth reading- or at least skimming through: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/bees000412.html Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Garry Libby Subject: BRAINY BEES BEAT BRAWNY BEES. Here is another story online about the Cape Bee. It is on the Discovery Channel Website. http://www.discovery.com/ex/ad/newsletter/news/briefs/20000412/animals_bees. html Article 24518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:44:47 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24518 Thank you Teri; I guess that I was misinformed. It was my understanding (from many, many years back) that the differences were easily visible with a microscope, and had to do with both wing patterns and carapace shapes... Microscopy I can do. DNA electrophoresis, that's a little harder...(:-)! I'm about to capture my first feral swarm. I'm quite certain that they're not AHB, but I wanted to experiment, look, and learn a bit. I've read a bit more and have found out that it will be pretty darn hard for me to do the analysis. Oh well, it was just an item of interest... Thanks again, Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:sgj1elop7qo67@corp.supernews.com... > Dusty Bleher wrote: > Some time back I'd found an article that described the physical differences > between the European and AHB. Just when I need it, I seem to have lost that > link. > Can anyone point me to a source of info whereby one can distinguish between > the two? > > identification continues to be problematic...the two methods most often > used, morphometrics and > mitochondrial dna, may have a possible error of up to 25% each, yielding > false positives/negatives... > > > > Article 24519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Egg Laying Workers Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:59:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24519 see posting about "articles on cape bees" in this newsgroup... Article 24520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3909B3F9.B09D0DBD@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missing beekeeping books. References: <00a564ac.f8fbc394@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:52:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 956937168 24.112.111.157 (Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:52:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:52:48 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24520 Voila - They arrived on Monday 24 April! Happy happy joy joy, Glen arch63 wrote: > > I bid on some beekeeping books the beginning of March on E-Bay > and won. The person said she shipped them out on April 01 from > Arizona and they were sent airmail. They still haven't arrived. > She says there is no way to trace the package. Anybody familiar > with U.S. Mail policies? Thanks, Glen in Canada. > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390932FC.A2DC4F73@losch.net> From: Kanel Reply-To: kanel@losch.net Organization: Losch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild honey bees References: <39053887.FCC55CB7@losch.net> <20000427164238.14591.00000141@ng-ch1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:46:26 EDT Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:43:08 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24521 the next nearest beekeeper is over 15 miles away and the type of land ownership prohibits a beekeeper from moving in they were a swarm from my hives JMitc1014 wrote: > Could be a new beekeeper has moved in somewhere, or a recent swarm settled > nearby. Article 24522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to start? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <12186-39094685-115@storefull-107.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAiKnpd4KkSEwT/x4V6K27kd8KK54CFH7hneZNXT/0m9Caj/X2/aml1KcR Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24522 Where do you live? To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to start? Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 2000 11:11:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000428071128.10722.00000155@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24523 From: adamsonj@ix.netcom.com >A new"bee" question - how does one get started in beekeeping? Where >does one get a swarm? I searched the internet but didn't find >suppliers - found plenty of "hardware" suppliers but no bees - any >pointers would be appreciated. TIA. Let your local police & fire department that you want swarms. We have one local fellow that runs an ad year around in the classifieds in the newspaper. But, be forewarned. A generation ago, I caught a hundred wild swarms in the spring. Now, it's unusual to catch more than three or four, because wild honeybees are nearly gone. So you may have to buy your bees. Newbies may buy entire hives, but in most cases, get their equipment ready in the winter, and buy package bees or nucs in the spring to install into the hives they already have prepared. Here's a reference of beekeeper resources: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm I especially recommend Keith's online course, and Diana's handbook. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@anet.net.sa Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:25:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8ebhtr$70d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000427163208.14594.00000140@ng-ch1.aol.com> <3908b8e2.38404328@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.18.29 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 28 08:25:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.18.29 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24524 In article <3908b8e2.38404328@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net wrote: > On 27 Apr 2000 20:32:08 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > >Before anybody can answer your question, you will need to tell us where you are > >located. I know there is a brightly colored bird (name escapes me) that lives > >in the south of France as I recall, that is a pest of honey bees. I am unaware > >of any bird like the one you describe in North America, which is why I suspect > >you may be from another continent than the one where I am located. > > Guessing from his email address I would say South Africa. > > Greg the beekeep > Bad guess, nice methodology. I am from Dhahran, Saudi Arabia (SA), where temp. can reach up to 50 Deg. C (122 deg F) in Summer. Thank you for your inputs The only beekeeper in (SA), Abdulaziz > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@anet.net.sa Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:25:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8ebhu0$70e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000427163208.14594.00000140@ng-ch1.aol.com> <3908b8e2.38404328@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.18.29 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 28 08:25:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.26.18.29 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24525 In article <3908b8e2.38404328@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net wrote: > On 27 Apr 2000 20:32:08 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > >Before anybody can answer your question, you will need to tell us where you are > >located. I know there is a brightly colored bird (name escapes me) that lives > >in the south of France as I recall, that is a pest of honey bees. I am unaware > >of any bird like the one you describe in North America, which is why I suspect > >you may be from another continent than the one where I am located. > > Guessing from his email address I would say South Africa. > > Greg the beekeep > Bad guess, nice methodology. I am from Dhahran, Saudi Arabia (SA), where temp. can reach up to 50 Deg. C (122 deg F) in Summer. Thank you for your inputs The only beekeeper in (SA), Abdulaziz > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@anet.net.sa Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:40:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8ebiqf$7mc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 28 08:40:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24526 In article , "Peter Amschel" wrote: > Go to alt.sport.air-guns > > I like the German RSW Diana Luftgewehr. Thanks for your input, but unfortunately, it is illegal to have unregistered air guns in SA. In the same time, it is very very difficult to register air guns in SA. Therefore, the air-gun solution can be rolled-out. beside, I am not a good hunter. Are there any other ways to get red of these nice colored birds? > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:31:14 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24527 JMitc1014 wrote: Cape bees are not bio control for africanized honey bees. They may be a worst pest for beekeepers than AHB, since they cause honeybee colonies, European and African, to go haywire and self destruct. God help us all if some misguided fool ever decides to introduce the Cape bee in Europe, America (North or South), Australia, or elsewhere. they may already be there...thelytoky was reported in a strain of honeybees in the southwest usa as far back as a decade ago in an article in the journal "beescience" (circa 1990)... Article 24528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "merlin99" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: i-agriculture.co.uk Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:55:21 +0100 Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <3909d0d1_2@news2.vip.uk.com> X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.176.194.174 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.250.101.2 X-Trace: 28 Apr 2000 18:56:34 GMT, 10.250.101.2 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.130!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!news1.vip.uk.com!10.250.101.2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24528 Would anyone be interested in purchasing this Generic Domain Name ? Article 24529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: package into top bar hive Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:18:23 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <390A001F.EB21C09A@midwest.net> References: <3909FC95.C448B26B@soils.umn.edu> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24529 David Kelley wrote: > > Greetings, > Anyone have any experience hiving a package into a top bar hive? Any > special techniques, tricks, or things to look out for? Would tying burr > comb from a Langstroth onto some of the bars as a starter help? I don't > want them getting dumped on the bottom of the box, looking around and > saying "hey, this isn't a Langstroth. Where's the foundation or drawn > frames?"" and bolt for the nearest motel. > Any advise appreciated. > -- > David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) > Agricultural Research Service, USDA > Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate > 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota > 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 > phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 I hived a swarm in my TBH by dumping them in and closing the lid. They seem to enjoy the wide open spaces of a TBH and began drawing comb in short order. I would recommend using a piece of hardware cloth in the entrance to keep critters out. The open space beneath the hanging sheets of comb makes a dandy place for field mice to nest for the winter. AL Article 24530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:53:55 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-38-6.wmar.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front5m.grolier.fr 956956702 10792 213.44.38.6 (28 Apr 2000 21:18:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2000 21:18:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24530 Hi everybody, What about bumble-bees ? In our French beekeeper's forum it was lately posted that one found a big bumble-bee in bad shape with 5 varroas on his back!!. Would NZ beekeepers Association be able to kill all wild bee species flying around ? ;-((( -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Carman a écrit dans le message : 8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz... > Greetings all > > Just heard on the news that the NZ beekeepers Association is recommending > the destruction of all Bees in the Varroa mite exclusion zone, which takes > in a big area. > > Carman > > > > Article 24531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!oleane.net!oleane!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:05:18 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8ecv6v$ah8$4@front5m.grolier.fr> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-38-6.wmar.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front5m.grolier.fr 956956703 10792 213.44.38.6 (28 Apr 2000 21:18:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2000 21:18:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24531 Hi everybody, Pls find hereafter the answer I gave on the subject 5 month ago : Bonjour, Here, in south of France on the Mediterranean sea side, we are used to encounter that "so multi colored and tropical looking" bird. They are called "chasseurs d'Afrique" (African hunters) or "Guepiers d'Europe" (European wasp eater) and are school living. They dig underground galleries into sandy walls of rivers to nest. You can see them in summer roosting on electrical wires from where they fly very fast hunting flying insects. Those beautiful birds are quite not welcomed by bee-keepers, when you have some of them roosting around your hives the only way is to take them away unless the birds would eat all the flying workers. As it is a protected species you may not shoot them ;-((. At fall they fly south to spend winter time in Africa. I tried to attach a picture to show what the birds look like but the server refused to send. If somebody is interested just ask for and I will send it personally. Regards apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ a écrit dans le message : 8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Since a week ago and still this bird giving me headache. I almost lost my > mind because they are attack my hive in groups of approx. thirty of them. I > realized that the hive population reduce dramatically even though it was > strong and had good build-up during early spring. When the birds appear the > bees activities greatly stopped. no bee in no bees out. I believe that bees > sense the bird and are afraid to go for nectar. > > Do any body have experience with such birds? How to get red of them? Do not > tell me change the hive location since it is impossible to do that for many > reasons. > > I glad to read from you. > Best wishes > You can reach me on of the following addresses: > asiray0a@anet.net.sa > asiray0a@hotmail.com > asiray0@mail.com > asiray0a@aramco.com.sa > abcdef_sa_2000@yahoo.com > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39099C83.11F9937A@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:13:23 +0100 From: theorganloft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Egg Laying Workers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: useray99.netscapeonline.co.uk X-Trace: 28 Apr 2000 14:11:59 GMT, useray99.netscapeonline.co.uk Lines: 26 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@netscapeonline.co.uk Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!plato.netscapeonline.co.uk!useray99.netscapeonline.co.uk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24532 Since the worker is not mated she will lay only drones. Bad news all round! Hope you pick up a swarm soon. Stephen R Alliss Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > Greetings, all... > > As I've mentioned before here recently, I lost most of my bees and my > queen over the winter, apparantly as a result of Varroa mites. It now > appears that, while I'm waiting for a swarm to put in the hive, I have a > worker bee laying eggs. > > I'm curious about this phenomenon. How does it happen? Does she lay > drones or workers? > > Any comments from the cognicenti? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: 28 Apr 2000 14:08:48 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8ec61g$7i7$1@campus3.mtu.edu> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ebiqf$7mc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Trace: campus3.mtu.edu 956930928 7751 141.219.67.30 (28 Apr 2000 14:08:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mtu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2000 14:08:48 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24533 asiray0a@anet.net.sa wrote: : In article , : "Peter Amschel" wrote: : > Go to alt.sport.air-guns : > : > I like the German RSW Diana Luftgewehr. : Thanks for your input, but unfortunately, it is illegal to have unregistered : air guns in SA. In the same time, it is very very difficult to register air : guns in SA. Therefore, the air-gun solution can be rolled-out. beside, I am : not a good hunter. : Are there any other ways to get red of these nice colored birds? : > There are nets designed to catch flying birds, which would probably work if they are swooping near to your hives to catch the bees. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 24534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news1.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: David Kelley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: package into top bar hive Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:03:17 -0500 Organization: Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3909FC95.C448B26B@soils.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: x160-46.soils.umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24534 Greetings, Anyone have any experience hiving a package into a top bar hive? Any special techniques, tricks, or things to look out for? Would tying burr comb from a Langstroth onto some of the bars as a starter help? I don't want them getting dumped on the bottom of the box, looking around and saying "hey, this isn't a Langstroth. Where's the foundation or drawn frames?"" and bolt for the nearest motel. Any advise appreciated. -- David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) Agricultural Research Service, USDA Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 Article 24535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bosaiya@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: life of a migratory cover Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:08:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8ed5lv$12a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38fd0b24.14997481@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.39.146.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 28 23:08:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.39.146.25 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbosaiya Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24535 I used a couple last year and they leaked like a Swiss cheese ship. It was so wet in there that there were slugs living inside the hive and little tiny worm-things in pools of wter around the frame rests. Just gross. Put some telescoping covers on those two and they're right as rain now, so to speak. You can very cheaply turn a migratory cover into a telescoping. Just tack a couple strips of wood to the sides and drape some cheap tin over the top. It only adds a few dollars to the price and works just as good as the more expensive kind. In article <38fd0b24.14997481@news.usit.net>, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: > I am curious as to how long these covers will last? I would paint it > of course and it is half the cost of telescoping cover. Is there any > draw backs such as inner cover and leaking around the edges? I also > would consider putting a piece of tin on top of it later to extend the > life. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:23:33 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 48 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24536 cross-posyed for information/discussion purposes: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:51:48 -0500 Reply-To: busybeeacres@discoverynet.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: bob harrison Subject: Re: AHB and Cape bees I asked a noted researcher the same question. He said the problem with Apis Mellifera capensis is the ability to produce females (workers & queens) by parthenogenesis. Thelytoky is the origin of females from unfertilized eggs. The Cape Bee is well known for the ability of its workers to parthenogenetically produce diploid workers as well as haploid drones. This results from the regeneration of a diploid nucleus soon following meiosis of the egg. somewhat confusing as appears to contradict the following... suspect the results of hybridization are still unclear... Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:25:23 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: John Mitchell Subject: Re: AHB and Cape bees In a message dated 4/13/00 1:44:24 PM, Pollinator@AOL.COM writes: << http://pollinator.com/worldwide_threats.htm >> "In apiaries with both scutellata and capensis colonies, Cape bees drift into scutellata colonies where they are insufficiently controlled by the scutellata queen. This results in the eventual loss of the scutellata queen, and the capensis workers taking over all reproduction in the colony. Further capensis workers are produced, with the final outcome being a complete capensis laying worker colony. These colonies tend not to be productive, gradually dwindle, and eventually abscond or die." appears that a biocontrol for african bees would also be one for europeans... but resarch importation into germany in the 1980's seems to have gone unnoticed (so far as is known)... Article 24537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Lines: 57 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:21:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956946061 12.72.203.150 (Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:21:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:21:01 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24537 You could probably get positive ID at UC Davis if you are really curious and don't mind a little drive. Far as I know, Los Angeles County is the northernmost area in California where AHB has been identified. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Dusty Bleher" wrote in message news:sgjfu2517qo154@news.supernews.com... > Thank you Teri; > > I guess that I was misinformed. It was my understanding (from many, many > years back) that the differences were easily visible with a microscope, and > had to do with both wing patterns and carapace shapes... Microscopy I can > do. DNA electrophoresis, that's a little harder...(:-)! > > I'm about to capture my first feral swarm. I'm quite certain that they're > not AHB, but I wanted to experiment, look, and learn a bit. I've read a bit > more and have found out that it will be pretty darn hard for me to do the > analysis. Oh well, it was just an item of interest... > > Thanks again, > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > > "Teri Bachus" wrote in message > news:sgj1elop7qo67@corp.supernews.com... > > Dusty Bleher wrote: > > Some time back I'd found an article that described the physical > differences > > between the European and AHB. Just when I need it, I seem to have lost > that > > link. > > Can anyone point me to a source of info whereby one can distinguish > between > > the two? > > > > identification continues to be problematic...the two methods most often > > used, morphometrics and > > mitochondrial dna, may have a possible error of up to 25% each, yielding > > false positives/negatives... > > > > > > > > > > Article 24538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Egg Laying Workers Lines: 35 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:21:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 956946062 12.72.203.150 (Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:21:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:21:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24538 Stretch, When you do get a swarm it won't be a simple matter of combining the 2 with newspaper. Do a search of this newsgroup to turn up some recent discussion on salvaging a laying worker colony. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:HiStretch-2804000733050001@pool-207-205-183-212.phnx.grid.net... > Greetings, all... > > As I've mentioned before here recently, I lost most of my bees and my > queen over the winter, apparantly as a result of Varroa mites. It now > appears that, while I'm waiting for a swarm to put in the hive, I have a > worker bee laying eggs. > > I'm curious about this phenomenon. How does it happen? Does she lay > drones or workers? > > Any comments from the cognicenti? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 24539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:09:15 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 34 Message-ID: <390A2827.C51E098@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24539 Lotsa Luck, fellas - morphometrics are reliable, but time-intensive. DNA is confusing (to me). Our best test is still the "Nike" test - kick-em and run. Perhaps you've run across the Baton Rouge BeeLab test photos that show dents in the front of their hives - I understand they would fling lead balls at the hives with slingshots and then count the stings in a black cloth patch. What it all boils down to is - if the bees are too feisty, you need to give them an attitude adjustment, either by requeening (if you're lucky), relocating to lose the field force (with the attendant loss of income), or disposal and repopulating. -Anyone who tells you they can identify between AHB and EHB is selling something. Teri Bachus wrote: > Dusty Bleher wrote: > Can anyone point me to a source of info whereby one can distinguish between > the two? > > identification continues to be problematic...the two methods most often > used, morphometrics and > mitochondrial dna, may have a possible error of up to 25% each, yielding > false positives/negatives... ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/index.html Article 24540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bosaiya@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: package into top bar hive Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:01:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8ed58g$gt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3909FC95.C448B26B@soils.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.39.146.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 28 23:01:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.39.146.25 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbosaiya Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24540 I just opened the shipping box, dumped them in, and closed the bars. The queen was hung between a couple of bars and the bees are hanging across three or four bars around her. It was a lot easier than the bees I added to my Langstroth hives, where I had to remove frames, dump them in, then swish them around with a stick so I could put the frames back. In article <3909FC95.C448B26B@soils.umn.edu>, David Kelley wrote: > Greetings, > Anyone have any experience hiving a package into a top bar hive? Any > special techniques, tricks, or things to look out for? Would tying burr > comb from a Langstroth onto some of the bars as a starter help? I don't > want them getting dumped on the bottom of the box, looking around and > saying "hey, this isn't a Langstroth. Where's the foundation or drawn > frames?"" and bolt for the nearest motel. > Any advise appreciated. > -- > David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) > Agricultural Research Service, USDA > Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate > 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota > 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 > phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:21:12 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 23 Message-ID: <390A1CE8.4BC7CC9F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz><955685787.558940@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <30ncnxA5Z594EwEj@kilty.demon.co.uk> <955752926.123604@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <38feb308$1@naylor.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: Ruary Rudd Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24541 Ruary Rudd wrote: > > In short NO WHERE has the slaughter policy worked. > > Ruary Rudd Gee, is this also true in regards to "mad-cow disease" ??? - just wondering if pushing back the barbarian from the gate is ever possible. ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/index.html Article 24542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!betanews.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:22:13 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <20000428154932.22339.00000493@ng-md1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-130.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 956967741 27761 207.229.151.130 (29 Apr 2000 00:22:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 2000 00:22:21 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24542 > Facinating. Refresh my memory though. Thelytoky had something to do with > rearing queens from unfertilized eggs, right? PDF file at bottom of page: http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/celldata.htm and http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/bsmay1991.htm -Barry Article 24543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Message-ID: <4eakgscf7athhu5v1vjvd3t3qbfiqm3i5q@4ax.com> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:23:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 956967786 4.33.104.73 (Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:23:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:23:06 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24543 p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) wrote: >Hmm, it could just work, given that the area is geographically small, so >far well defined, doesn't have a massive population of inaccessible feral >hives. Of course there are feral colonies, but visible and accessible, >easy to destroy. If coountry-wide eradication of varroa is tried, be prepared to repeat it every few years. Even with a poison feed, killing all the feral bee colonies will be a difficult challenge. Hope it doesn't also kill other important species. The world is too mobile today to think of eradication as a long-term solution. Just my humble opinion, -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!xmission!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa - address correction Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:27:37 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 8 Message-ID: <390A2C79.E582901D@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <390A2827.C51E098@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24544 John Edwards wrote: Right now we're experiencing a little computer "brain-fade", but this link should still work: http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 24545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.minn.net!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance reducers and other useless equipment Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 2000 02:36:01 GMT References: <8edgv8$csr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000428223601.01775.00000203@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24545 >HOWEVER, I find the frame gripper very useful during the >extraction process to pull frames out of the supers. Set the super on a 14" long piece of 2x4 and the frames pop right up. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!199.79.239.47!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:58:31 -0600 Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8edik1$1d9f$1@hardcore.ivn.net> References: <8e9dmk$66u$1@news.smartworld.net> <17239-3908776A-22@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8eap4h$f15$1@news.smartworld.net> <390970A1.F93B45B6@together.net> Reply-To: "Spike Psarris" NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-7-92.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 956976577 46383 207.174.108.92 (29 Apr 2000 02:49:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 2000 02:49:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24546 Is there a rough number associated with "stung regularly"? How often should one ensure a sting in order to get yourself out of the "1 out of every 10" bracket? And how should they be distributed - for example, is 12 in one month and then none for 11 months, equivalent to once per month for 12 months? Michael Palmer wrote in message news:390970A1.F93B45B6@together.net... > My 12 year old daughter had an allergic reaction to a bee sting. Good thing we > live only 5 miles from the hospital. Very scary situation. Anyway, she started > venom therapy two months ago. They start out with .001 ug venom, and work up to > 100 ug (equal to 1 sting). I asked the doctor about children and spouses being > more often allergic than the general public. The answer - about 1 in 100 - 200 > people are allergic to honey bee venom. About 1 in 10 members of a beekeeper's > family will be allergic. That includes the beekeeper if he or she doesn't get > stung regularly. Article 24547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 2000 19:49:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000428154932.22339.00000493@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24547 they may already be there...thelytoky was reported in a strain of honeybees in the southwest usa as far back as a decade ago in an article in the journal "beescience" (circa 1990)... Facinating. Refresh my memory though. Thelytoky had something to do with rearing queens from unfertilized eggs, right? Article 24548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance reducers and other useless equipment Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:21:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8edgv8$csr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.134 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 29 02:21:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.134 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24548 George, I don't use the frame gripper in the bee yard. I have but my hands are much easier. HOWEVER, I find the frame gripper very useful during the extraction process to pull frames out of the supers. Pierco's work with them as well but we've found the high pressure points created with the gripper can crunch parts of them, as can a hive tool. What's the most useless piece of gear I can think of? probably the bee escape thingy you put in the center of an inner cover, a sort of one way valve to let the bees out. I don't have all day or two for that matter for it to work. BeeGo does just fine. Mike > > I'll start with the frame slipper, er...I mean gripper. > > Do these things even work on Pierco frames? And how do you turn your wrists > to examine the other side of a frame? Lots of people become attached to > these things claiming the great level of confidence they afford to the > novice. The confidence quickly erodes once you drop a frame on your foot and > they start to crawl up your leg at an amazing rate of speed. Or worse, you > start to have a Bill Buckner moment and your natural reaction is to reach > for the floundering frame with you free hand. No thanks, fingers work just > fine and I always know where they are. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bdigman@cyberport.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive paint Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:50:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 56k97-119.cyberport.com Message-ID: <390af765@news.gj.net> Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.228.130 X-Trace: 29 Apr 2000 08:54:04 -0600, 199.45.228.130 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!coop.net!news.coop.net!news.gj.net!56k97-119.cyberport.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24549 All, I can't believe there's a hive sitting on my front porch. I procrastinated for years, thumbing through catalogs and reading beekeeping books. A couple of weeks ago a fellow stops by the office on his way to an elementary school to do a presentation on bees. He has a brand new package of bees with a neat little queen in a cage and a shiny new hive in the back of his pickup. I started some sort of primordial drool. Bees. Honey. Twenty minutes later the lady on the phone is asking for the expiration date on my credit card. This craving must be worse than crack. My first question is about paint. I see "Beehive Paint" in the catalogs, but I also see what appears to be regular acrylic flat latex offered. Can I use regular acrylic from Bubba's corner hardware store to paint the hive? Thanks. P.S. Is there a pamphlet with some generally acceptable answers to such questiions from wives such as "What the hell is a 3-frame-hand-crank-extractor and why is it more important than new kitchen curtains?" Thanks again. Barry Article 24550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Piping sounds Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:22:18 +0100 Organization: berfa - where computers have attitude Message-ID: References: <39061ef7_2@news.vic.com> <8e78jf$qag$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957015336 nnrp-11:12695 NO-IDENT berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Lines: 51 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24550 Please excuse me if I have joined this thread rather late and I am copying any earlier comments. In March 1999 the guest speaker at the AGM Avon Beekeepers Association was none other than Rex Boys. He gave a most interesting talk on bee sounds and played a recording of bee piping. Rex Boys was a BBC sound engineer and has now retired. He managed to combine his interest as a beekeeper with his career. He describe the sound as a form of resonance which accounts for its extreme volume. The sound is made by newly emerged queens. It changes pitch as the first born disposes of her sisters. This is generally a couple of weeks before she starts laying. I cannot recall the exact frequencies and all of the other details however I can pass on specific questions to Rex and I ask you to email these directly to me as well as via the newsgroup. In article <8e78jf$qag$1@lure.pipex.net>, Pamela Buckle writes >Not correct. You have a queen, yes, perhaps several, but.... First time I >heard this sound it was in a matchbox in my pocket - certainly not laying >there! It's quite loud enough that the other people in the room all heard >it and asked what I'd got in my pocket - roughly like a digital watch alarm >going off. >I'm told it's usually when there are 2 queens and they are trying to find >each other for the big fight out. >Martin >Incidentally, I apologise to the group for appearing as Pamela - don't know >why my wife's name appears on newsgroup messages (but not on e-mails). I am >working on it and mean to post under my own name, Martin. > >Larry W wrote in message >news:39061ef7_2@news.vic.com... >> Where can I found some information on the queens piping sounds. I would >> think if you could hear this sound than you could be reasonably sure you >> have a queen and she's laying. Correct? >> >> Larry >> >> >> > > -- Dr David A Gladstone - Hon Treasurer Bristol Beekeepers Association, Bristol UK web site www.bristol-beekeepers.freeserve.co.uk Article 24551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perfect Smoke? Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:26:59 +0100 Organization: berfa - where computers have attitude Message-ID: References: <8dio50$btl$5@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000426143820.24195.00002524@ng-fj1.aol.com> <8e9equ$72l$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957015337 nnrp-11:12695 NO-IDENT berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Lines: 28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24551 An amusing, but probably not very clever, addition to normal smoker fuel is the herb Sage. This has the effect of exciting the bees into a whooshing frenzy. As I said, _not_ a clever thing to do. I generally use a little lavender or rosemary which tends to calm them and smells better. In article <8e9equ$72l$1@news.smartworld.net>, Allen Dick writes >> When I worked for a commercial beekeeper we used car oil (I think) soaked >corn >> cobs. They worked well. >> >> I have also used well dried cow manure. It works well, having a smell >somewhat >> like peat, which for those in some places might work as well > >Don't use anything in your smoker that you would not put into your mouth. >FWIW, used engine oil is a known carcinogen. > >allen > > -- Dr David A Gladstone - Hon Treasurer Bristol Beekeepers Association, Bristol UK web site www.bristol-beekeepers.freeserve.co.uk Article 24552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Vegan web site Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:32:25 +0100 Organization: berfa - where computers have attitude Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957015339 nnrp-11:12695 NO-IDENT berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24552   I've just been doing a bit of surfing and quite by accident I've come across http://www.vegansociety.com/info/info24.html   I know that each hive experiences a mortality rate of hundreds of thousands per year but I still feel rather sorry when one of the girls gets squashed. (after all it is one less worker and 1-2 grams less honey!) -- Dr David A Gladstone - Hon Treasurer Bristol Beekeepers Association, Bristol UK web site www.bristol-beekeepers.freeserve.co.uk Article 24553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apistan strips Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:43:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8eeouj$ldk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> <0%zO4.9670$I7.10315380@news-east.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 29 13:43:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.52 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24553 In article <0%zO4.9670$I7.10315380@news-east.usenetserver.com>, "Eaglequest" wrote: > Shelly, The honey flow is starting now. We don't treat in spring because of > the timing with our unpredictable Michigan weather. We have had great > success with less than 10% winter loss. We are switching to screened bottom > boards to help reduce the spring mite growth. > > -- > Jake Ameel > Good-Rich Apiaries > Oxford, MI > www.Good-Rich.com > We are also switching to screen bottoms here in NW Florida. I made a slide-out board under the #8 screen so we can pull it out from the back of the hive for cleaning and to check for mites. Of course we only have 9 hives so I can see how this could quickly become a chore with more. So far we don't have a mite problem and I think it is because we include about 30-40 drops of wintergreen oil in each half gallon of syrup. The oil messes up the reproductive cycle of the mites. We feed them syrup a lot through the winter, and every time we collect a swarm. This year we used Bayer instead of Apistan and put the strips in on Jan 8. At that time we only had 3 hives. Herb > "shelley corbin" wrote in message > news:3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com... > > tomarrow i am going to put the apistan strips in. Detroit mich has been > > either to cold or rainy in the last 2 weeks to open it up any earlier. > > that six weeks without putting a super on, did i screw up? > > svcorbin@usol.com > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 2000 14:08:32 GMT References: <8ecv6u$ah8$3@front5m.grolier.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000429100832.10724.00000272@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24554 There are 42 matches in the bee-l archives for varroa and bumblebees being mentioned in discussion. The following is from Kerry Clark, an apiculture specialist with the B.C. Ministry of Agriculture, posted in 1995: "Other hosts? My understanding is that although adult varroa may rarely be found on beehive-visiting insects (wasps, bumblebees) and even rodents (or beekeepers), reproduction only occurs in honey bee brood. So there is no reservoir of varroa outside of honey bee colonies, but there's a small possibility of varroa transfer by things other than honey bees (insignificant in areas where varroa is established)." Insignificant to him perhaps, but very significant to me if a bumblebee's attempt to rob my hives results in varroa infestation. Peter Kevan, U of Guelph, Canada wrote the following in 1993: "I coauthored a review and a caution on the issue of Varroa travelling on alternative hosts, including wasps and flowers, also betles. The review, co-authored with Laverty and Denmark was published in BEE WORLD. The remarks about Varroa possibly travelling with bumblebees is most alarming, and was noted as a possibility in our review. I can't remember the volume & issue of BEE WORLD, but what other organ for publication would be appropriate to such oversight! The information was also published in Canadian Beekeeping. 1991 I would add that our review did elicit some apparent annoyance among parties with vested interests in bombiculture." Sorry the comments above are so dated, but it appears that nobody has had anything to say about alternate varroa hosts in a few years on bee-l. I posted a question to bee-l today asking whether there is any more recent research into the problem of varroa traveling on alternate hosts. Article 24555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> <0%zO4.9670$I7.10315380@news-east.usenetserver.com> <8eeouj$ldk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: apistan strips Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:30:24 -0500 Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.92 Message-ID: <390b0d7a_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 29 Apr 2000 12:27:38 -0400, 208.24.176.92 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.92 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24555 Where can I see some information on these screen bottom boards? Any diagrams or pictures? Thanks Larry wrote in message news:8eeouj$ldk$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <0%zO4.9670$I7.10315380@news-east.usenetserver.com>, > "Eaglequest" wrote: > > Shelly, The honey flow is starting now. We don't treat in spring > because of > > the timing with our unpredictable Michigan weather. We have had great > > success with less than 10% winter loss. We are switching to screened > bottom > > boards to help reduce the spring mite growth. > > > > -- > > Jake Ameel > > Good-Rich Apiaries > > Oxford, MI > > www.Good-Rich.com > > > > We are also switching to screen bottoms here in NW Florida. I made a > slide-out board under the #8 screen so we can pull it out from the back > of the hive for cleaning and to check for mites. Of course we only have > 9 hives so I can see how this could quickly become a chore with more. > So far we don't have a mite problem and I think it is because we > include about 30-40 drops of wintergreen oil in each half gallon of > syrup. The oil messes up the reproductive cycle of the mites. We feed > them syrup a lot through the winter, and every time we collect a swarm. > This year we used Bayer instead of Apistan and put the strips in on > Jan 8. At that time we only had 3 hives. > > Herb > > "shelley corbin" wrote in message > > news:3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com... > > > tomarrow i am going to put the apistan strips in. Detroit mich has > been > > > either to cold or rainy in the last 2 weeks to open it up any > earlier. > > > that six weeks without putting a super on, did i screw up? > > > svcorbin@usol.com > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen in a shipping cage. Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:06:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.174.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 957024363 24.147.174.206 (Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:06:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:06:03 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24556 Just a quick question, How long has anyone kept a queen in a shipping cage? Alive of course :-) Article 24557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390B2009.5E1D5BB2@istar.ca> From: Simon de Vet Reply-To: sdevet@istar.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen in a shipping cage. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:46:49 -0300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 154.5.34.217 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 957029816 154.5.34.217 (Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:36:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:36:56 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24557 David Verville wrote: > Just a quick question, > How long has anyone kept a queen in a shipping cage? Alive of course :-) I just want to make the statement that this group becomes much more interesting if you forget, for a moment, that it's about bees. :) Simon (PS: I've never even seen a beehive, yet this is one of my favourite newsgroups. What's going on?) Article 24558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in southwest usa Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:14:24 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24558 John Edwards (in response to Teri Bachus) Apr 28, 05:09 PM writes: -Anyone who tells you they can identify between AHB and EHB is selling something. agree with what you're saying, but beg to differ with assesment of morphometrics as "reliable"...a technician at an unnamed (for obvious reasons) beelab reports that it is possible to bias a test (by selecting bees to be analyzed) to yield results that can vary from 90% ahb to 90% ehb probabilities from the same sample...that could conceivably be in an exceptional case, but some variation within samples seems to be common enough, especially in hybridized populations... Article 24559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Eaglequest" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> Subject: Re: apistan strips Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <0%zO4.9670$I7.10315380@news-east.usenetserver.com> X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:49:16 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:41:54 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24559 Shelly, The honey flow is starting now. We don't treat in spring because of the timing with our unpredictable Michigan weather. We have had great success with less than 10% winter loss. We are switching to screened bottom boards to help reduce the spring mite growth. -- Jake Ameel Good-Rich Apiaries Oxford, MI www.Good-Rich.com "shelley corbin" wrote in message news:3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com... > tomarrow i am going to put the apistan strips in. Detroit mich has been > either to cold or rainy in the last 2 weeks to open it up any earlier. > that six weeks without putting a super on, did i screw up? > svcorbin@usol.com > Article 24560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@anet.net.sa Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:07:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8effdv$clu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ebiqf$7mc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ec61g$7i7$1@campus3.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 29 20:07:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24560 In article <8ec61g$7i7$1@campus3.mtu.edu>, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > asiray0a@anet.net.sa wrote: > : In article , > : "Peter Amschel" wrote: > : > Go to alt.sport.air-guns > : > > : > I like the German RSW Diana Luftgewehr. > > : Thanks for your input, but unfortunately, it is illegal to have unregistered > : air guns in SA. In the same time, it is very very difficult to register air > : guns in SA. Therefore, the air-gun solution can be rolled-out. beside, I am > : not a good hunter. > > : Are there any other ways to get red of these nice colored birds? > : > > > There are nets designed to catch flying birds, which would probably > work if they are swooping near to your hives to catch the bees. > > -- > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu > > I like your idea. Thanks Abdulaziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drones come & go Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:17:20 -0400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8efft8$j4v$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: puBGRS7dZUWZNPDGDJY3yWq/OjIVLI8Sfpt03g0EKKI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 2000 20:15:36 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24561 First let me apologize if this is a stupid question, but I am just getting started. I installed 2 5 frame nucs 8 days ago. This afternoon while watching the activity at the two hives I noticed quit a few drones coming and going from both of them. What are they doing? (I am in central Virginia, Tulip Poplar is blooming and the bees seem very busy). Thanks, Keith Article 24562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone comb Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:20:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24562 I have a hive that seems to insist on building drone comb on the bottom of the frames in my bottom brood box. The other hive I have does it a little, but not nearly as much. Is this normal or is it a sign that I need to do something? Should I leave it be or scrape it off? Thanks, Rodney ***************** Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net Article 24563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: hive beetle Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:06:53 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24563 from the june'99 apis newsletter: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis99/apjun99.htm#1 Reports of small hive beetle activity this spring have been mixed. As winter in Florida drew to a close, few adults could be detected, but later larvae started appearing again in honey houses. The beetle also began to be spread around. Infestations in Ohio, New Jersey and Pennsylvania have all been linked to package bee shipments from the southeast. The insect also has been reported in Minnesota, where it appears to have overwintered successfully in 1998. Article 24564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!test-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone comb Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:49:10 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24564 I have a hive that seems to insist on building drone comb on the bottom of the frames in my bottom brood box. The other hive I have does it a little, but not nearly as much. Is this normal or is it a sign that I need to do something? Should I leave it be or scrape it off? Thanks, Rodney ***************** Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net Article 24565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!attbtf!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:44:21 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 15 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust237.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8eettp$o79$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> Reply-To: "Allen Dick" NNTP-Posting-Host: cust237.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24565 > > For the record, this is dumb idea and will inevitably fail, but it will take > > years to find that out. > > Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. > Varroa has arrived just as the NBA was swinging into action with the PMS > to get rid of AFB by infected hive destruction. Killing two birds with the > one stone may not be such a silly idea... I'm glad you think so. I'm taking bets on that one too. allen Article 24566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones come & go Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 21:43:58 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <390b5730.24709219@news1.radix.net> References: <8efft8$j4v$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24566 On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:17:20 -0400, "Angela Copi" wrote: >First let me apologize if this is a stupid question, but I am just getting >started. I installed 2 5 frame nucs 8 days ago. This afternoon while >watching the activity at the two hives I noticed quit a few drones coming >and going from both of them. What are they doing? (I am in central >Virginia, Tulip Poplar is blooming and the bees seem very busy). > >Thanks, > >Keith What all of us red blooded American males do! Greg the beekeep Honest Hun, I was just looking. Article 24567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:36:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 29 23:24:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24567 Hi there, I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic question but I couldn't find any answers in the books I have or on the web... Stupid question - here it is I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was cold). In any case I am not sure they are alive... checked them today (nice and warm finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture says they sometimes look this way in the cold, but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? Starved? What do you think? Thanks Ron E. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 2000 00:32:31 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000429203231.01787.00000383@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24568 >hive that seems to insist on building drone comb on the bottom of >the frames in my bottom brood box. The other hive I have does it a little, >but not nearly as much. Is this normal or is it a sign that I need to do >something? Bees NEED to have some drones, especially in the spring. Let the BEE. They know best. I used to know a guy who sat at the entrance on nice days, and stabbed the drones with a pencil. Kept the hives demoralized. Talk about fighting nature! I like to make sure they have some drone comb on the outside frames in the brood chamber. That cuts the incentive to make burr comb, but they still may make it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:09:34 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> <8eettp$o79$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 957053270 17490 130.216.90.132 (30 Apr 2000 00:07:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2000 00:07:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24569 In article <8eettp$o79$1@news.smartworld.net>, "Allen Dick" wrote: >Peter Kerr wrote: > > Varroa has arrived just as the NBA was swinging into action with the PMS > > to get rid of AFB by infected hive destruction. Killing two birds with the > > one stone may not be such a silly idea... > > I'm glad you think so. I'm taking bets on that one too. > I'm not glad I think so. There's half my retirement income up in smoke :-( What odds are you offering for those bets? I hear suggestions that varroa clearance by hive destruction will have to be repeated at 5 year intervals forever. The AFB PMS is really little more than what the Apiaries Act has required for nigh on sixty years. Cynical observers might suggest that MAF apiary inspectors had a vested interest in keeping AFB going to keep their jobs going. Those same cynical observers could claim at least the AFB PMS might work now if varroa forces the lazy and incompetent beekeepers out of the trade... -- Peter Kerr School of Music University of Auckland Article 24570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <390B8038.CF436A4F@together.net> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:37:13 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive paint References: <390af765@news.gj.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-162-tnt-03.btvt.together.net X-Trace: 29 Apr 2000 20:44:50 -0500, dial-162-tnt-03.btvt.together.net Lines: 21 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-162-tnt-03.btvt.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24570 Put your money into good oil based primer. Use acrylic latex over that. Get your latex for free or cheap. Paint stores usually have deals on mis-tinted paints. Paint is usually free at recycling centers. I always liked rainbow hives rather than all white. bdigman@cyberport.com wrote: > My first question is about paint. I see "Beehive Paint" in the > catalogs, but I also see what appears to be regular acrylic flat latex > offered. Can I use regular acrylic from Bubba's corner hardware store > to paint the hive? Thanks. > > P.S. Is there a pamphlet with some generally acceptable answers to > such questiions from wives such as "What the hell is a > 3-frame-hand-crank-extractor and why is it more important than new > kitchen curtains?" Thanks again. > > Barry Article 24571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: refining beeswax Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:30:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8efurb$skj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.238.208.240 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 00:30:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 157.238.208.240 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24571 In article , "Darren" wrote: > Am looking for a pointer for information on the web or other source for > simple process to refine beeswax... Any help would be greatly appreciated... > Darren.. Darren, Before melting your wax, hand clean as much debris off of it as possible. Then, you may be able to use a piece of hardware cloth (fine mesh screening), found at larger hardware stores, to strain the melted wax when pouring into a container. Regards, southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Message-ID: <390b8200.41839903@news.usit.net> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 40 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:49:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 957055804 216.80.168.204 (Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:50:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:50:04 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24572 If the sun came out they should have been out and about. They are probally not dead. Did you mix 1 to 1 sugar mix and shake a little around opening around inner cover so they know it's there. They need this to build cone. There is a beekeeper in canada installing packages in 20 degree weather. On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:36:28 GMT, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: >Hi there, > >I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some >package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get >above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here >in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic >question but I couldn't find any answers in the >books I have or on the web... > >Stupid question - here it is > >I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed >they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was >cold). In any case I am not sure they are >alive... checked them today (nice and warm >finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 >in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of >frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture >says they sometimes look this way in the cold, >but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? >Starved? What do you think? > >Thanks > >Ron E. > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 24573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not in supers Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:53:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 81 Message-ID: <8eg06q$u1r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.238.208.240 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 00:53:50 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 157.238.208.240 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24573 In article , "Rodney Isom" wrote: > Hi guys, > > I've got two hives that I started last June. They got pretty full toward > the end of the summer, so I put another brood box on each of them. I didn't > put on any supers since it was so late in the year & they made it through > the winter fine. They both swarmed a couple of weeks ago (I got the supers > on late), but they still seem to have plenty of bees in both of them. I put > a queen excluder and supers on both of them about three weeks ago & the bees > haven't even started drawing the supers out yet. One hive had just a little > left to draw out in the second brood box and the other had about a third of > the 2nd brood box left to draw when I put the supers on. There are bees in > the supers, but not many at all. Is there any way I can encourage them to > work on the supers? From where I am now, how much honey can I expect to > produce this year? > > Also, I caught one of the swarms & it's a pretty good sized one. They are > drawing comb pretty quickly. Should I put on a second brood box when they > get pretty far along on the first one, or should I put on honey supers? I'm > not real clear on when one should add a brood box v/s adding honey supers. > Should the goal be two brood boxes before adding supers? If I have two > brood boxes filled with a good bit of honey at the end of the year, do I > need to leave any additional honey for the bees? > > Thanks for the help, > > Rodney Isom > **************** > rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net > Arab, AL > (remove the obvious part to reply) Al, I've worked with putting single, double brood, and queen excluders on. I've had the best results with double brood boxes. The bees will work the 2nd and 3rd frame and work a few out from that, then they tend to move up to the super. Have you had your nectar flow there yet? Once the 2nd brood box is about 1/3 full of bees, I put the super on. The rule of thumb for me is when more than a couple of dozen bees start hanging out on the 'front porch' in the evenings is when to add another super. I've used a queen excluder a couple of years ago and it just slows the bees down. I haven't had much of a problem with the queen laying in the supers. Sometimes I'll find some pollen cells, but that's about it. If you have honey in the brood boxes at the end of summer, leave it in for the bees for the winter. 2nd brood boxes help the bees make it through the winter better, I believe, even here in FL. If your bees swarmed, you might need more ventilation for them in the hives. I put an inexpensive Imrie shim between the brood boxes and prop open the top of the colony above the supers about 3/8" with a piece of styrofoam once the outdoor air temperatures get to 80 degrees. Brushy Mtn. Bee Farm in NC has them. The bees seem to appreciate the air flow. Regards, southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:25:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <390b7d79.34511025@news1.radix.net> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24574 On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:36:28 GMT, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: >Hi there, > >I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some >package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get >above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here >in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic >question but I couldn't find any answers in the >books I have or on the web... > >Stupid question - here it is > >I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed >they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was >cold). In any case I am not sure they are >alive... checked them today (nice and warm >finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 >in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of >frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture >says they sometimes look this way in the cold, >but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? >Starved? What do you think? > >Thanks > >Ron E. > > > Do they smell? Greg the beekeep Article 24575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!199.79.239.47!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions on package installation Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:38:07 -0600 Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Reply-To: "Spike Psarris" NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-3-114.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 957058159 85735 199.45.211.114 (30 Apr 2000 01:29:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2000 01:29:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24575 Just entering my second year of beekeeping, and for the first time installed 4 packages today. (Last year I bought 3 established hives, which all survived the winter nicely). I have a few questions for anybody willing to answer: 1. The queens were in little boxes by themselves, with no attendants. There was no candy in the end hole as I had been expecting, instead there was a little disk-shaped cork wedged in there sideways. Will the bees chew out this cork themselves, or will I have to remove it? They've had 4 days to work at it already (thanks, U.S. Postal Service...grrrr), but I couldn't see any progress - the corks looked basically untouched so far. The Hive and the Honeybee says to remove the cork during installation, but other books have said that there will be candy to chew through, so...what's the proper thing to do? 2. If I have to release her (them) myself, how long should I wait? There were bees clustering on each cage, but I can't tell if they were attending or attempting to ball the queens. How can you tell which is which? 3. I dumped maybe a softball-sized cluster or two into each hive, but most stayed in the packages. I set the packages down right in front of each hive (each of which is 5-10 feet apart), figuring that, with the caged queens inside the hives, they'd find their ways in eventually. Was this a good assumption? I thought I saw a bee or two fanning on the landing boards, but I'm not sure. Thanks for any advice Spike Psarris -- replace "junkfree" with "spike" to reply Article 24576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive paint Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <14577-390B883D-76@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <390af765@news.gj.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQbU85/DyWxJJCfPVBTbLbAEZa9YwIVAJ0Tn9Cgd3YmbkK6zqAovaOl+qyv Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24576 Any exterior house paint works. I get any leftovers that are hanging around one of my family members' houses. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Amschel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <390B2009.5E1D5BB2@istar.ca> Subject: Re: Queen in a shipping cage. Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:07:03 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:03:48 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24577 The urge to keep bees is instinctive and primordial. Simon de Vet wrote in message news:390B2009.5E1D5BB2@istar.ca... > > > David Verville wrote: > > > Just a quick question, > > How long has anyone kept a queen in a shipping cage? Alive of course :-) > > I just want to make the statement that this group becomes much more > interesting if you forget, for a moment, that it's about bees. > > :) > > > Simon > > (PS: I've never even seen a beehive, yet this is one of my favourite > newsgroups. What's going on?) > Article 24578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions on package installation Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:29:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 75 Message-ID: <8eg5p1$3lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.91.3.94 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 02:29:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.91.3.94 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24578 In article <8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net>, "Spike Psarris" wrote: > Just entering my second year of beekeeping, and for the first time installed > 4 packages today. (Last year I bought 3 established hives, which all > survived the winter nicely). I have a few questions for anybody willing to > answer: Spike, I'll answer #1 PULL THE PLUG! These bees and the queen have had more than ample time to know each other and become one. The difference between methods sugar vs. cork are the package bees don't need a delay for introduction. shipping and being put in a box was enough. If you were buying a new queen to replace an old one, then it would come with a sugared end and that end you uncork. The sugar slows down the time to her release so the bees take a few days to get her loose. This way they become accustomed to her smell and her queen odor gets a chance to be sensed throughout the hive. Otherwise they'd kill her probably immediately. as for putting the bees in usually take the cover of the hive off. take the can out of the bees box, place the queen in the hive and dump them right on the top bars. If there's any left in the box after 10 minutes or so just set it in front of the hive and close the hive up. Mike > > 1. The queens were in little boxes by themselves, with no attendants. > There was no candy in the end hole as I had been expecting, instead there > was a little disk-shaped cork wedged in there sideways. Will the bees chew > out this cork themselves, or will I have to remove it? They've had 4 days > to work at it already (thanks, U.S. Postal Service...grrrr), but I couldn't > see any progress - the corks looked basically untouched so far. The Hive > and the Honeybee says to remove the cork during installation, but other > books have said that there will be candy to chew through, so...what's the > proper thing to do? > > 2. If I have to release her (them) myself, how long should I wait? There > were bees clustering on each cage, but I can't tell if they were attending > or attempting to ball the queens. How can you tell which is which? > > 3. I dumped maybe a softball-sized cluster or two into each hive, but most > stayed in the packages. I set the packages down right in front of each hive > (each of which is 5-10 feet apart), figuring that, with the caged queens > inside the hives, they'd find their ways in eventually. Was this a good > assumption? I thought I saw a bee or two fanning on the landing boards, but > I'm not sure. > > Thanks for any advice > > Spike Psarris > -- > replace "junkfree" with "spike" to reply > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:40:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8eg6fo$4h2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390b8200.41839903@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 02:40:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24579 Thanks for the reply. I put the 1:1 sugar mix in the bottle feeder, and made sure some dripped out but did not sprinkle around the inner cover... Today is day 8...On day 3 they flew around a little. Suince then no activity. On day 5 I let the queen out because they did not release her. Nobody was moving and they all looked motionless. Anyway it is day 8, tomorrow is supossed to be warm again with sun...if they are not out tomorrow think they are goners? Thanks In article <390b8200.41839903@news.usit.net>, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: > If the sun came out they should have been out and about. They are > probally not dead. Did you mix 1 to 1 sugar mix and shake a little > around opening around inner cover so they know it's there. They need > this to build cone. There is a beekeeper in canada installing packages > in 20 degree weather. > > On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:36:28 GMT, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > > >Hi there, > > > >I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > >package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > >above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > >in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > >question but I couldn't find any answers in the > >books I have or on the web... > > > >Stupid question - here it is > > > >I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > >they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > >cold). In any case I am not sure they are > >alive... checked them today (nice and warm > >finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > >in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > >frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > >says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > >but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > >Starved? What do you think? > > > >Thanks > > > >Ron E. > > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:35:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8eg65i$47b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390b7d79.34511025@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 02:35:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24580 Thanks for the reply I didn't stick my head in but I can tomorrow...by smell you mean smell bad I assume? Ron In article <390b7d79.34511025@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net wrote: > On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:36:28 GMT, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > > >Hi there, > > > >I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > >package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > >above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > >in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > >question but I couldn't find any answers in the > >books I have or on the web... > > > >Stupid question - here it is > > > >I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > >they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > >cold). In any case I am not sure they are > >alive... checked them today (nice and warm > >finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > >in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > >frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > >says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > >but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > >Starved? What do you think? > > > >Thanks > > > >Ron E. > > > > > > > Do they smell? > > Greg the beekeep > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Subject: Re: Questions on package installation Lines: 71 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:08:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 957064135 12.72.49.101 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:08:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:08:55 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24581 Packages are sometimes shipped with the queen in a cage with 2 corks but no candy. The thought is that they have been together long enough by time you get them that they are as likely to accept her immediately as they are if they release her . You have a couple of options. 1) remove one of the corks and release the queen now, or 2) remove one of the corks and replace it with a marshmallow. I would opt for #1. Release her on a frame and observe their behavior. A spray bottle with sugar syrup and a little vanilla extract can be used to spray them and somewhat mask the "stranger" if needed. You don't want to see them crawling on TOP of her or biting at her legs. Like most things in beekeeping, there is not one correct way to hive a package. It usually takes a little effort to shake most of the bees out. Some people just place the whole package without the feeder tin in the hive and remove it a little later. It sounds like you did fine. 4 days for the post office is not bad. They don't care much for bees. On the other hand, has anyone noticed how quickly the USPS gets things to the IRS that look like checks? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Spike Psarris" wrote in message news:8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net... > Just entering my second year of beekeeping, and for the first time installed > 4 packages today. (Last year I bought 3 established hives, which all > survived the winter nicely). I have a few questions for anybody willing to > answer: > > 1. The queens were in little boxes by themselves, with no attendants. > There was no candy in the end hole as I had been expecting, instead there > was a little disk-shaped cork wedged in there sideways. Will the bees chew > out this cork themselves, or will I have to remove it? They've had 4 days > to work at it already (thanks, U.S. Postal Service...grrrr), but I couldn't > see any progress - the corks looked basically untouched so far. The Hive > and the Honeybee says to remove the cork during installation, but other > books have said that there will be candy to chew through, so...what's the > proper thing to do? > > 2. If I have to release her (them) myself, how long should I wait? There > were bees clustering on each cage, but I can't tell if they were attending > or attempting to ball the queens. How can you tell which is which? > > 3. I dumped maybe a softball-sized cluster or two into each hive, but most > stayed in the packages. I set the packages down right in front of each hive > (each of which is 5-10 feet apart), figuring that, with the caged queens > inside the hives, they'd find their ways in eventually. Was this a good > assumption? I thought I saw a bee or two fanning on the landing boards, but > I'm not sure. > > Thanks for any advice > > Spike Psarris > -- > replace "junkfree" with "spike" to reply > > Article 24582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:32:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8eg9h7$7rf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390b8200.41839903@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 03:32:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24582 Thanks for the reply. I put the 1:1 sugar mix in the bottle feeder, and made sure some dripped out but did not sprinkle around the inner cover... Today is day 8...On day 3 they flew around a little. Suince then no activity. On day 5 I let the queen out because they did not release her. Nobody was moving and they all looked motionless. Anyway it is day 8, tomorrow is supossed to be warm again with sun...if they are not out tomorrow think they are goners? Thanks In article <390b8200.41839903@news.usit.net>, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: > If the sun came out they should have been out and about. They are > probally not dead. Did you mix 1 to 1 sugar mix and shake a little > around opening around inner cover so they know it's there. They need > this to build cone. There is a beekeeper in canada installing packages > in 20 degree weather. > > On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:36:28 GMT, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > > >Hi there, > > > >I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > >package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > >above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > >in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > >question but I couldn't find any answers in the > >books I have or on the web... > > > >Stupid question - here it is > > > >I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > >they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > >cold). In any case I am not sure they are > >alive... checked them today (nice and warm > >finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > >in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > >frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > >says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > >but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > >Starved? What do you think? > > > >Thanks > > > >Ron E. > > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390B5EDF.23FDE598@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to start? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 X-Trace: /KtlGRCNkPUGffYbYbgk0hCPm1324JzyZssYxm7vzNS55NOsTjZtx2sSiWhG9Olv7ug/NrhSqfQx!new27lfq+09oPAL5NkcFEmN9iwuR2u+pCgIgSbQGr3iEcHbCRF1GIEVHRUsSXfkeRIbvH72z X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 06:01:08 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 06:01:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24583 adamsonj@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Hi, > > A new"bee" question - how does one get started in beekeeping? Where > does one get a swarm? I searched the internet but didn't find > suppliers - found plenty of "hardware" suppliers but no bees - any > pointers would be appreciated. TIA. > > adamsonj@ix.netcom.com I started beekeeping last year with two hives from a local beekeeper. Make friends with someone who is a hobbyist. I now have 3 hives (one swarmed last Sunday). I also joined the state beekeeping association, which meets once a month; lots of good sources here for information and for getting started! My dad kept bees 50 years ago, but he became allergic to the stings and stopped keeping them. I started for pollination of my small orchard; now I'm hooked! Good luck. Louise Article 24584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:22:18 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> <8eettp$o79$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957081916 nnrp-13:2205 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 70 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24584 In article , Peter Kerr writes >I hear suggestions that varroa clearance by hive destruction will have to >be repeated at 5 year intervals forever. Seems like certain countries, Britain included, and now possibly NZ, seem to 'think they know better' or that they are better beekeepers than all those other countries that have met varroa before them. If you think you can clear varroa by destruction you need to learn QUICKLY from the experience of others before you. Once you find varroa it is already too late to eradicate it because it already has spread. Nearest parallel would I believe have been the attempted eradication of varroa on the Swedish island of Gotland. I understand they killed every colony they could find, including the ferals, until the island was deemed bee free. I am told it was fully infested again in three years. Swedish input on that subject might be helpful. Varroa has a natural advance rate which is not very large, so you can falsely get the impression of a zone which can have eradication carried out within it and you will be clear. However, varroa finds tend to indicate sporadic 'seats' of infestation arising at considerable distances away, and then the area in between gradually fills. It is usually established 50 to 100 miles ahead of where you think it is due to the difficulty in detecting early stages of infestation, plus there will be those sporadic outbreaks a long way from the main outbreak just waiting to be found a year or two down the line. Do you really think you will find ALL the feral colonies in the area? Not to mention the backyard colonies that no-one knows are there apart from their owner! Any attempt to compare varroa and AFB and suggest that control (you will never completely eradicate AFB by burning, merely keep it down to an acceptable level) for one will work on the other is a serious misunderstanding of the situation. You are now infested. You will probably always be infested. You CAN live with it. The economic damage to both the bee industry and agriculture (Who will pollinate all those Kiwi fruits?) of a destruction policy will be far worse than getting on with life in what you now have to accept is the post varroa era. If you are clever, and have been VERY lucky indeed, South Island may have a few years left before it joins the north. > >The AFB PMS is really little more than what the Apiaries Act has required >for nigh on sixty years. Cynical observers might suggest that MAF apiary >inspectors had a vested interest in keeping AFB going to keep their jobs >going. That would indeed by cynical. In recent years you have done a very good job on CONTROL, but complete elimination could not, and will not, be achieved. > >Those same cynical observers could claim at least the AFB PMS might work >now if varroa forces the lazy and incompetent beekeepers out of the >trade... Varroa will force them out for sure, and those of you good at your job will be better placed for both forage and markets as a result. -- Murray McGregor Article 24585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apistan strips Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:16:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8ehbnk$a46$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> <0%zO4.9670$I7.10315380@news-east.usenetserver.com> <8eeouj$ldk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390b0d7a_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 13:16:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24585 In article <390b0d7a_1@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" wrote: > Where can I see some information on these screen bottom boards? Any diagrams > or pictures? > > Thanks > > Larry Brushy Mountain Bee Farm has a picture of what they call a double screen bottom board, but you can't tell much about it. I made a wooden frame the same size as the hive box, but only about an inch high and covered it with 1/8 " hardware cloth. Put a landing board on front. Then under that frame I attached a similar frame but with only three sides so the back is open. The bottom is covered with plywood or plastic. Those corrugated plastic political campaign signs work well. I coat the bottom with grease to keep out ants and other critters and cut a piece of plywood or other material to slide in under the screen. Hope this helps. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390BD7FD.4911AEC0@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> From: "S. R. Jones" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mean Bees References: <3903D73E.BE4D6C5B@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <3907CEB0.15E06564@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> <8e9ek2$6tq$1@news.smartworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Spire Technologies Cache-Post-Path: gaspra.spiretech.com!unknown@h44.agalis.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 58 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 06:51:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.200.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 957077493 207.173.200.229 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:51:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:51:33 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24586 Allen Dick wrote: > > > I have five hives in my beeyard and one hive is particularly mean > > > Thanks to all...I've received some great ideas to try this weekend. > > -srj > > Yes, the ideas are good ones, but you don't say how urban your yard is and > if there are people or animals nearby. > I live in rural area, but occasionally livestock (holstein calves) graze close by. Good call. I wonder if cowhide works just as well when it's animal. > but we gather you are somewhat inexperienced. > Inexperienced...yes somewhat. However, I'm not a complete newbie. About 14 months ago, I decided to get into beekeeping so I did a LOT of research and started reading this board regularly. There was an old-time beekeeping in my town who was in need of some free/cheap labor so rather than starting out with a couple of hives from packages, I decided to wait a year and experience all the different stages without investing too much of my own money. Well, I wasn't discouraged, and now I'm on my own. A couple months ago, the beekeeper that had told me stories of catching smarms in the forest during the Depression passed away.e. His widow sold me four hives (which I was able to take my choice from the 25 they had). I also ordered a package of Italians from Northern California. > > Some of the techniques described could cause an uproar if this is truly a > vicious hive. I don't think this is truly a vicious hive, rather just a little fiestier than I prefer to deal with.. One of the things I've wondered is if there's a some sort of test to quantitatively measure the 'mean-ness' of a hive. Perhaps some scale where the lowest number is a completely docile, defenceless colony and the top of the scale is AHB. > We cannot guess your circumstances in regards hives size, > flows, possible robbing, etc., but we gather you are somewhat inexperienced. > As Winnie-the -Pooh says, "You never can tell with bees". > > If there is any risk, please be sure to load the hive up at night and take > it somewhere a long way from people and let it calm down before you try > these tricks. For that matter, sometimes just moving a hive will change its > temper. > > allen > ---- > Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > Currently: package bees vs. winter bees, package installation, > winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, > unwrapping bees, AFB, varroa, protein patties and more... Article 24587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Re: Questions on package installation References: <8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net> <8eg5p1$3lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 23 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:41:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.163.190 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 957084370 38.27.163.190 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:46:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:46:10 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24587 In article <8eg5p1$3lf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kamtout@together.net wrote: >as for putting the bees in usually take the cover of the hive off. take >the can out of the bees box, place the queen in the hive and dump them >right on the top bars. If there's any left in the box after 10 minutes >or so just set it in front of the hive and close the hive up. > I cheat a little more. Since I usually buy my packages in groups of four I cut the pieces of plywood holding the packages together leaving a bit of the sticks on them ( if you have seen two or more packages you know what I mean ). After I hive the packages and deal with the queen, I invert the package and wedge the bottom sticks under the outer cover for the night. When I head back to the yard to check to see the queen has escaped I pull the old box and toss it in the truck..bee free. :) Point is, no need to wait that ten mins per hive. Although I catch myself just watching them filter themselves between the frames. It is rather soothing. Article 24588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jeff C." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Bee Eater(Multi-Colored Bird) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:49:35 +1000 Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.101.40.111 Message-ID: <390bfc40@pink.one.net.au> X-Trace: 30 Apr 2000 19:26:24 +1000, 203.101.40.111 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!lax.uu.net!pink.one.net.au!203.101.40.111 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24588 Hi Asiray I'm not sure if these are the same birds but we also have a group of multicoloured birds that feed on our bees on my fathers farm. He has a couple of hives out the back of his house. The birds sit on the powerline running to the house and have a really nice location to just swoop down and feed on the bees all day long. The birds enjoy the bees so much that they have even started to nest in an earth enbankment not too far from the bees. Dad tried to scare the birds away but they soon cottoned on to the tricks which are now no longer effective. Best/only real solution has been a 0.22 rifle and good aim. Not knowing your location I'm not sure if this is a solution for you. It works on a farm ok because the neighbours are a fair way off and not that worried about rifle shots if they know what the neighbours are shooting at (always let them know in advance). If you come up with an efective scare method let us know. .22 bullets are costly if your aim is off a lot. wrote in message news:8e8r2i$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Since a week ago and still this bird giving me headache. I almost lost my > mind because they are attack my hive in groups of approx. thirty of them. I > realized that the hive population reduce dramatically even though it was > strong and had good build-up during early spring. When the birds appear the > bees activities greatly stopped. no bee in no bees out. I believe that bees > sense the bird and are afraid to go for nectar. > > Do any body have experience with such birds? How to get red of them? Do not > tell me change the hive location since it is impossible to do that for many > reasons. Article 24589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!easynet-melon!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Hive Chat room Message-ID: <957087395@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 10:36:35 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 957089046 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24589 The Hive Chat rooms need active users to participate in beekeeping conversation from the key board. 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Article 24590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal2.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "De Witt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:00:03 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 20 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <8ehhok$bne@library2.airnews.net> References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> <20000424191319.25537.00003450@ng-ff1.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Apr 30 09:59:32 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !\Wmd1k-WWmZNN] (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24590 BeeCrofter wrote >(there is a rumor that they work in the south) Why would a bad idea only work in a good area? >The entrance reducer is good to keep under the telescope lid to provide >ventillation. If you keep it in the front under the lid >then water runs off the back of the lid and not on the landing area. I even use them like this up North even in Oklahoma, but those yankies don't feed with them Cliff Article 24591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 4.4.162.214 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: biocontrol for ahb? Lines: 71 From: Dee A. Lusby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0831be79.4e11473e@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com> References: <20000428154932.22339.00000493@ng-md1.aol.com> Bytes: 3493 X-Wren-Trace: eO7L4+L7vPa9qv/j57v85eX/++7g76vo7vDB4Obz+6v566vjrq307aK7pL+u/6urobCztQ== Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 07:46:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.6 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 957107497 10.0.2.6 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:11:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:11:37 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24591 In article , Barry Birkey wrote: > >> Facinating. Refresh my memory though. Thelytoky had something to do with >> rearing queens from unfertilized eggs, right? > >PDF file at bottom of page: >http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/celldata.htm > >and > >http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/bsmay1991.htm > >-Barry >Why are beekeepers so afraid of something they know nothing about.Fear begets fear when it's built upon nonsense and supposition! Do not beekeepers know that Otto Mackensin himself bred and wrote on self-fertile workers and that the trait is in all races of bees, although unselected for? He used Italian and caucasian early on in his research. Wyoke in German worked with bees studying the same problem with PL480 funding. Both could only do in the lab. We just learned how to do it in the field and put it to good use. When used in a whole bee breeding program you can temper down yellow bees with it, get good honey and pollen production we believe, with bees containing the characteristic and have bees that will practically survive anything without treatment when mimicing proper environmental conditions. The Cape bee has been mentioned, but the trait has been reported in punic and caucasian, or technically any small black bee. This is only natural, because it is found where bees of yellow and black, initiating from two different geographical zones come together. .It's a survival trait from the ice age, believed; or maybe just hot to cold climates for during times of calamity or severe stress. Certainly beekeepers would agree we are indeed in times of severe stress and calamity with our honeybees today. . If bees truly follow plant genetics as Mendel wrote, then they must have this trait as taking a cutting instead of a seed for backup survival use. We just learned how to use it and breed it and all of it's other associated characteristics. But there is nothing to be afraid of, the bees are there for all to see at any time. Just like this is nothing to be afraid of so is 4.9mm foundation. It's just a cell size if misrepresentation and so are self fertile workers. When the industry gets the trait back instead of stupidly shaking the bees in the bushes to get rid of something they do not understand, maybe their hives will straighten out. Until then supposition and problems will continue. Maybe when enough beekeepers get hardup for a solution they will listen, trying to learn all they can to correct the problem. Obviously doing the same old same old does not work for today's problems. .The Italian side if Itallian is indeed a true thoroughbred hybrid of natual coming together, must contain this trait at low frequency as Mackensin saw, but in the small black is where the true trait sets for wise use and we believe it is dominate, but also completely beneficial and nothing to be afraid of. . Why, if the S. Americans used it- QUESTION- do you think their hives would still be 5 meters apart? I don't think so! Something is wrong and missing in what they are doing; also in S. Africa as to complete understanding as there is still so much fright over the unknown. But then who are we to meddle in someone elses affairs unless asked. Signed: Dee A. Lusby > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> From: Simon de Vet Reply-To: sdevet@istar.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Indoor Bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:12:19 -0300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 154.5.34.26 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 957106948 154.5.34.26 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:02:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:02:28 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24592 At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the wall. This is facinating to watch. You can see the bees doing their little dance. You can see them coming in and out. When winter comes, and bees die, you can see them being dragged to the exit and dropped onto the ground. Anyone else seen hives like this? Anyone have one of their own? :) Simon Article 24593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: They Live! Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:22:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8ehtjv$sbe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 18:22:03 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24593 FYI for anyone who read the are my bees dead message...they are alive...crawling around out front today, etc. Queen looks dead but the rest are moving... Ron E. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Introduction Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:19:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8ehtf3$s92$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 18:19:26 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24594 HI every body, I had not have the chance to introduce my self to the newsgroup members because of the bee eater problem. However, I hope, I still have the chance to do so. Name: Abdulaziz Y. Asiri Country/City: Saudi Arabia/Dhahran (Sea Level) Years of Beekeeping: Two Years (Still a beginner) Number of Hives: Three (On Strong Two very weak (coz Varoa mite) I am can be reached on: abcdef_sa_2000@yahoo.com asiray0a@anet.net.sa asiray0a@aramco.com.sa I glad that I am a member of this wonderful newsgroup. Best Wishes, Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Entrance feeder & reducer Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:20:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8ehth7$sao$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <4VOM4.218$QM.81848@ratbert.tds.net> <20000424191319.25537.00003450@ng-ff1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 18:20:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24595 Whata bout up here where it gets to be 35 f at night...does it help to keep the cold out, or should I dump it as well.. Thanks, Ron E. In article <20000424191319.25537.00003450@ng-ff1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: > An entrance feeder is just more crap they put into beginners kits so that they > can learn about robbing first hand. (there is a rumor that they work in the > south) The entrance reducer is good to keep under the telescope lid to provide > ventillation. If you keep it in the front under the lid then water runs off the > back of the lid and not on the landing area. > After the robbing starts you can put it in the bottom board again on it's > smallest opening. > Did you know duragilt makes good fire starters? > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: yosi_sarid Subject: swarm catcher Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <00091c0e.4df23c31@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com> Lines: 13 Bytes: 412 X-Originating-Host: 213.8.217.70 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eLCVvbyl4qjj6aurvM+iuLCDurS9tebou7mr/bCo6aLu5b7p8KL06fLm5A== Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:35:26 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.62 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 957120855 10.0.2.62 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:54:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:54:15 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24596 Hello all. One of my coloney swarmed high on a pine tree. I heard that there are few formulations based on Nassanov pheromone. I will be more than happey to know thire commerical names and how can i get it? Best regards Yosi Sarid * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: asiray0a@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:38:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8ehuj9$tgl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.192.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 30 18:38:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.80.192.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24597 In article <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca>, sdevet@istar.ca wrote: > At the Nova Scotia Museum of Natural History, they have an indoor > beehive. The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to > ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the > wall. > > This is facinating to watch. You can see the bees doing their little > dance. You can see them coming in and out. When winter comes, and bees > die, you can see them being dragged to the exit and dropped onto the > ground. > > Anyone else seen hives like this? > > Anyone have one of their own? :) > > Simon > I agree with you Simon. It is extremely amazing to watch those small active creatures doing their daily activities. Also, watching the queen checking cells then laying eggs and watching lazy Drones sucking huge amounts of honey. But, with time the bees try to have a privacy. They start to cover glass surfaces with proplise. The hive needs periodic cleaning in order to maintain the same facinating sight. Aziz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390C8586.2D5DB275@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions on package installation References: <8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 81 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:08:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 957121689 24.92.236.167 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:08:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:08:09 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24598 1. Use marshmallow (or hard granulated honey) if there is no queen-cage candy left. Some might advocate direct release of the queen (by you) but the gradual release of the queen by the bees is safer. There should have been a large blob of white sugar-candy at one end of the queen cage. The exit hole on this candy-end of the cage is ordinarily plugged by a cork, as is the hole at the opposite end. You want to remove the cork on the candy end, but leave the other one in place. The bees gradually chew through the candy over the course of a few days, and release the queen. If there is no candy left, or very little, pry out one of the little corks (not letting the queen out) and shove a wad of marshmallow in the hole, leaving a half inch or so inside and the same amount protruding out from it. Set the queen cage between a couple of the top bars, within the cluster of bees, close up the hive,and leave them alone for 4 or 5 days. The queen should be released and accepted by that time, and the empty q. cage can be removed. Make sure the queen is no longer inside You don't really need to find her; just ascertain that he is no longer in there -- keep the disturbance to a minimum. There will probably be a few workers in her cage, milling around, but they will exit the cage once it is removed from the hive. 2. Better play it safe, and not do a direct release. IMO. The bees on the cage might be acting aggressive toward the queen, so you don't want to risk it. If, after 5 days or so, the queen has still not been released, then you can give direct release a shot. Make up some heavy sugar syrup in a jar, dunk the entire queen cage in it, just for a brief moment,, and then pull off the screen, releasing the queen into the mass of bees. Being doused in syrup, she will not run around nervously, and the bees will immediately begin cleaning her off and feeding her, spreading her pheromones around. Close up the hive immediately and don't disturb them at all for another 4-5 days. You should keep feeding them, but don't pull frames and inspect the hive. (Otherwise the bees might become riled and ball her. Play it conservatively at the outset.) 3. The bees may have all gone up into the hive by now. If not, then you can remove 5 or so of the frames from the hive and set the package in there. During the period when the queen is being released, the bees will make their way out of the cage and over onto the frames where the queen cage is. Or, set a small board in front of the entrance, leaning up against the edge of the bottom-board, and dump the bees at the base of it. They will run up the board and into the hive in short order. Good luck -- hope everything goes great! rgds, Joel Govostes nr. Ithaca, NY .Spike Psarris wrote: > Just entering my second year of beekeeping, and for the first time installed > 4 packages today. (Last year I bought 3 established hives, which all > survived the winter nicely). I have a few questions for anybody willing to > answer: > > 1. The queens were in little boxes by themselves, with no attendants. > There was no candy in the end hole as I had been expecting, instead there > was a little disk-shaped cork wedged in there sideways. Will the bees chew > out this cork themselves, or will I have to remove it? They've had 4 days > to work at it already (thanks, U.S. Postal Service...grrrr), but I couldn't > see any progress - the corks looked basically untouched so far. The Hive > and the Honeybee says to remove the cork during installation, but other > books have said that there will be candy to chew through, so...what's the > proper thing to do? > > 2. If I have to release her (them) myself, how long should I wait? There > were bees clustering on each cage, but I can't tell if they were attending > or attempting to ball the queens. How can you tell which is which? > > 3. I dumped maybe a softball-sized cluster or two into each hive, but most > stayed in the packages. I set the packages down right in front of each hive > (each of which is 5-10 feet apart), figuring that, with the caged queens > inside the hives, they'd find their ways in eventually. Was this a good > assumption? I thought I saw a bee or two fanning on the landing boards, but > I'm not sure. > > Thanks for any advice > > Spike Psarris > -- > replace "junkfree" with "spike" to reply Article 24599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: yosi_sarid Subject: Re: bumble beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <38a139f2.565639d1@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com> Lines: 5 Bytes: 239 X-Originating-Host: 213.8.217.70 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <38DABA36.12A0@tiscalinet.it> X-Wren-Trace: eEJnT05XEFoRG1lZTj1QSkJxSEZPRxQaSUtZD0JaG1AcF0wbAlAGGwAUFg== Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:07:36 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.62 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 957123130 10.0.2.62 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:32:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:32:10 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24599 Bumblebees by John B. Free and Colin G. Butler An old (1959) but verey good book. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 24600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <390C8F24.BAC3315B@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:49:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 957124152 24.92.236.167 (Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:49:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:49:12 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24600 Rodney Isom wrote: > I have a hive that seems to insist on building drone comb on the bottom of > the frames <...> Is this normal or is it a sign that I need to do > something? Should I leave it be or scrape it off? This is pretty common. You can scrape it off, but it is usually not problematic enough to bother with. The exception might be if the drone/burr comb is built perpendicular to the frame bottoms, connecting them together. That can be a nuisance -- it will break apart upon removal of a frame for inspection, and possibly scrape against the adjoining combs, rolling bees or damaging brood cells. Some colonies build more of the "extra" comb than others. If it presents a problem during inspections, then tip the brood box up on one end, smoke the bees away from the bottom-bars, and carefully scrape off the offending burr comb. They will probably re-build some of it, eventually, but it shouldn't cause too much touble for this season, as long as there is ample storage space above. BTW, I generally scrape the burr and "ladder" combs off the bottom bars once a year -- in the Spring, when I scrape the refuse off the floors and reverse the positions of the brood boxes. Getting rid of this "wild" comb prevents squashing of bees when the hive bodies are repositioned. -j. Article 24601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions on package installation Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:55:20 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 54 Message-ID: <8ei39i$pod$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957124723 26381 204.216.255.92 (30 Apr 2000 19:58:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24601 I am brand new to bees and had the exact same delivery. I opted for the marshmallow approach. The first hive went great. The second hive did not. When I pulled the cork the queen immediately took off flying (no chance to put in the marshmallow. She dropped into the box and didn't want any of that. She took off into the sky faster than I could react. She never came back. The hive is now empty. Just watch pulling the cork! Maybe I did something wrong, but??? Dave Spike Psarris wrote in message news:8eg29f$2jn7$1@hardcore.ivn.net... > Just entering my second year of beekeeping, and for the first time installed > 4 packages today. (Last year I bought 3 established hives, which all > survived the winter nicely). I have a few questions for anybody willing to > answer: > > 1. The queens were in little boxes by themselves, with no attendants. > There was no candy in the end hole as I had been expecting, instead there > was a little disk-shaped cork wedged in there sideways. Will the bees chew > out this cork themselves, or will I have to remove it? They've had 4 days > to work at it already (thanks, U.S. Postal Service...grrrr), but I couldn't > see any progress - the corks looked basically untouched so far. The Hive > and the Honeybee says to remove the cork during installation, but other > books have said that there will be candy to chew through, so...what's the > proper thing to do? > > 2. If I have to release her (them) myself, how long should I wait? There > were bees clustering on each cage, but I can't tell if they were attending > or attempting to ball the queens. How can you tell which is which? > > 3. I dumped maybe a softball-sized cluster or two into each hive, but most > stayed in the packages. I set the packages down right in front of each hive > (each of which is 5-10 feet apart), figuring that, with the caged queens > inside the hives, they'd find their ways in eventually. Was this a good > assumption? I thought I saw a bee or two fanning on the landing boards, but > I'm not sure. > > Thanks for any advice > > Spike Psarris > -- > replace "junkfree" with "spike" to reply > > Article 24602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3905190F.4D1ED6C7@usol.com> <0%zO4.9670$I7.10315380@news-east.usenetserver.com> <8eeouj$ldk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <390b0d7a_1@news.vic.com> <8ehbnk$a46$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: apistan strips Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:07:19 -0500 Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.92 Message-ID: <390c91ca_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 30 Apr 2000 16:04:26 -0400, 208.24.176.92 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.92 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24602 Thanks, someone sent me a link http://www.beesource.com/ in there plans section are directions to build one. Larry wrote in message news:8ehbnk$a46$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <390b0d7a_1@news.vic.com>, > "Larry W" wrote: > > Where can I see some information on these screen bottom boards? Any > diagrams > > or pictures? > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > Brushy Mountain Bee Farm has a picture of what they call a double > screen bottom board, but you can't tell much about it. > > I made a wooden frame the same size as the hive box, but only about an > inch high and covered it with 1/8 " hardware cloth. Put a landing board > on front. Then under that frame I attached a similar frame but with > only three sides so the back is open. The bottom is covered with > plywood or plastic. Those corrugated plastic political campaign signs > work well. I coat the bottom with grease to keep out ants and other > critters and cut a piece of plywood or other material to slide in under > the screen. Hope this helps. > Herb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Kern" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Checking on the queen in a new hive Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:09:12 -0700 Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8ei43i$qmh$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 957125554 27345 204.216.255.92 (30 Apr 2000 20:12:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24603 I started two hives a week ago (my first two ever). One didn't go too well (see previous posts) and is gone. The other one seems to be doing great. I pulled the empty queen cage at about day 2, which was probably a little early from other posts here. The bees have tons of activity. There are almost traffic jams trying to get in and out of the hive. Lot's of pollen on their legs, etc. Now my big question. Because the second hive went so bad I am a little anxious about opening up the hive. I want to wait another week to open it and look around. Is this really bad? I figure, the queen should be doing her job or I think, from reading, that the hive would not be working so hard. Also, if she wasn't, there wouldn't be much I could do considering the packages shipped about two weeks ago and if she was gone, by the time I got a new queen, I would be better off starting all over anyway. Am I missing something. Thanks in advance for all the help. This newsgroup has been great. Dave Article 24604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Introduction Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7523-390CA71E-8@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8ehtf3$s92$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAqenORIpbxR/9cm9tieI3TDQ+TA4CFFngGDGj2O7MKsGqfJxd5jNwAbkC Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24604 Hello and WELCOME! Hank Mishima Fairview OR Article 24605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Preventing Fruit on Yard Trees Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 2000 22:18:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000430181854.17105.00000575@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24605 Every now and then someone asks about preventing fruit, because it is a nuisance in lawn care or the fruit is just unwanted. There is a solution. But first a warning: one hare-brained false "solution" gets passed around -- of spraying insecticides while the tree is blooming. This is a violation of the label directions and other laws, and can make you subject to fines for pesticide misuse, and liability for bees belonging to a neighbor. There is a product called Florel® brand Fruit Eliminator, which will not hurt bees. > Check out this web site: > http://www.montereylawngarden.com/info/florel.html Dave Green The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 24606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ Beekeeping Assoc recommends destruction Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:00:37 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <8e2dfs$n0j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8e9ek6$6tq$2@news.smartworld.net> <8eettp$o79$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 957131932 14237 130.216.90.132 (30 Apr 2000 21:58:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2000 21:58:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!news.uah.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24606 In article , Murray McGregor wrote: > > Any attempt to compare varroa and AFB and suggest that control (you will > never completely eradicate AFB by burning, merely keep it down to an > acceptable level) for one will work on the other is a serious > misunderstanding of the situation. > Sure, the infection vectors and methods are different, but that shouldn't prevent a coherent management policy. It is suggested that the reason varroa got here was the constant fraying at the edges of our border control over 15 years of govt restructuring. Our NBA convinced our government it could eliminate AFB by burning. To the extent that the NBA now has powers of entry, inspection, arrest and confiscation previously reserved to agents of the government. My personal experience with AFB suggests that burning must be accompanied by education and vigilance. Strict discipline in hive quarantine, and yes, peering over the fence, dobbing in all unregistered hives, destroying feral colonies, things that go against a streak in the Kiwi psyche. > You are now infested. You will probably always be infested. You CAN live > with it. > And if Apistan (or similar) becomes compulsory, that's the end of our pure Pacific Paradise. Welcome to the World, I heard you :-( I have hives on an organic orchard. I would like to keep them there if essential oils, and/or drone brood and/or similar would be permitted control methods... -- Peter Kerr School of Music University of Auckland Article 24607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indoor Bees Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 2000 22:23:01 GMT References: <390C4D53.187C1C96@istar.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000430182301.17105.00000578@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24607 From: Simon de Vet sdevet@istar.ca >The hive is inclosed in glass, and is thin enough to be able to >ee all the bees all the time. A glass tube yeads from the hive out the >wall. > >This is facinating to watch. You can see the bees doing their little >dance. You can see them coming in and out. When winter comes, and bees >die, you can see them being dragged to the exit and dropped onto the >ground. > >Anyone else seen hives like this? > >Anyone have one of their own? :) My second summer of beekeeping, I had a homemade observation hive on the kitchen counter. I didn't get a lot of work done that summer, but I learned more about the bees by that than by any other means I've attempted. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pgn3@aol.com (Pgn3) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New package does not want to go down Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 2000 22:28:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000430182850.14580.00001255@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24608 Hello, Great group and great info, I just installed 5 packages and am using the ziplock baggie method for feeding, with a medium depth super to cover the baggie. I have 1 of the swarms who keeps bunching up from the inner cover down in the empty super and hanging just like they came in the package. Today makes the 2nd day that I have brushed them down, and when I return I have them bunched up in the super again. Could this be a sign that the queen is dead or missing. Today is the 5th day that they were packaged and the queen was released by the swarm by at least the 3rd day when I checked them. Should I try feeding them with an entrane feeder or just shake them down and try again? Thanks WJS Article 24609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Introduction Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 2000 22:33:54 GMT References: <8ehtf3$s92$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000430183354.17105.00000581@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24609 From: asiray0a@my-deja.com >HI every body, I had not have the chance to introduce my self to the >newsgroup members because of the bee eater problem. However, I hope, I still >have the chance to do so. Welcome Aziz. We are especially glad to have you in the group, because your part of the world is not too well represented here. I'll betcha you can offer a lot of insights to the rest of us as you gain experience. Beekeeping is very different in each area. I moved less than a thousand miles and felt like I had to learn all over again, because conditions were so different. I'm sorry we weren't a lot of help with your bee eater problem, as this is unknown to most of us. We have an occasional kingbird, or more often dragonflies catching queens on mating flights, but don't really have serious losses to the hives most of the time. I've been racking my brain to come up with ideas, as I have worked in orchards where we had serious bird problems with small fruits. The most common method used nowadays is a carbide gas "cannon" which makes a loud bang every few minutes. It works for a while, then the birds get used to it, and it has the potential of irritating neighbors. The other method is to spray the fruit with an irritant, but that would not be very applicable to bees, and the material we used to use is no longer available anyway. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: www.agroweb-hispana.com Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 01:20:48 +0200 Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.59.205.9 Message-ID: <390cbfba$2_1@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 1 May 2000 01:20:26 +0100, 212.59.205.9 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!212.59.205.9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24610 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, ha sido actualizada el 1 de Mayo del 2000, con dos excelentes noticias: 1) Poseemos nuestro propio dominio, más fácil de recordar: http://www.agroweb-hispana.com 2) Hemos superado la barrera de las 4.000 visitas mensuales, ascendiendo el total de visitas desde que se creo el espacio a 31.413. Hemos actualizado nuestras secciones ya clásicas de: @groEscuela, con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación y plagas del algodón. Además poseemos cinco nuevas colaboraciones enviadas por vosotros. Elevándose la cifra actual a 70 documentos técnicos @groPreguntas - POR FIN EN FUNCIONAMIENTO, despues de un periodo de inactividad por problemas con los CGIs @groNoticias - 31 noticias del sector para estar bien informados. @groEnlaces - Hemos añadido 95 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a 2.200 de los cuales 1.200 son en nuestro idioma @groCursos - Con interesantes y numerosas novedades, alcanza la cifra de 128 cursos clasificados. Un cordial saludo: Javier Soto Vázquez