Article 29064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New vehicle Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:03:36 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3ac709ea.139976396@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29064 Picked up my new Viper at the dealer yesterday. I waited 8 months for it to arrive. I am glad I had my cell phone with me. The transmission locked up on the way home! The only thing that I couldn't figure out was why it had three pedals in the floor? beekeep Article 29065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: Hives not building up! From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net><7404-3AC72754-47@storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 16:07:52 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.248.46 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 986136941 212.137.248.46 (Sun, 01 Apr 2001 15:55:41 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 15:55:41 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29065 I find plain water works good most days! > From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) > Organization: WebTV Subscriber > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 06:04:20 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Hives not building up! > > Bob Dole and I know you are suppose to use Diet Pepsi. > > Ray > Article 29066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New vehicle Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:12:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3ac70cc7.140709058@news1.radix.net> References: <3ac709ea.139976396@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29066 On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:03:36 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >Picked up my new Viper at the dealer yesterday. I waited 8 months for >it to arrive. I am glad I had my cell phone with me. The >transmission locked up on the way home! The only thing that I couldn't >figure out was why it had three pedals in the floor? > >beekeep > Sorry guys, this was my april 1st post to the guys in the dodge truck news group. I have not finished my first cup of coffee yet. beekeep Article 29067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives not building up! Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:13:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29067 I have been feeding them all the diet coke syrup I can get my hands on but they still aren't building up. What do you think is the problem? beekeep Article 29068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 07:39:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29068 Did you say Diet Coke syrup? Do you mean high fructose corn syrup? chris www.greathoney.com Article 29069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 06:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7404-3AC72754-47@storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhPRxEd2s4DOt5o6Uc09C5qq2UhACFAgBKCwuOk8cjzu1XDb/dTl7eUgZ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29069 Bob Dole and I know you are suppose to use Diet Pepsi. Ray Article 29070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:36:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ac76692.163698039@news1.radix.net> References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29070 On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 07:39:58 -0500, "Bee Charmer" wrote: >Did you say Diet Coke syrup? Do you mean high fructose corn syrup? > >chris >www.greathoney.com > Yes, I said diet coke syrup. Have you checked your calendar today? beekeep > Article 29071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Apr 2001 18:50:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Listen to piping queens Message-ID: <20010401145031.09005.00001691@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29071 http://kutikshoney.com/nucs/piping.htm Dave SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 29072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 24 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Apr 2001 18:58:59 GMT References: <3ac709ea.139976396@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New vehicle Message-ID: <20010401145859.09005.00001693@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29072 >Picked up my new Viper at the dealer yesterday. I waited 8 months for >it to arrive. I am glad I had my cell phone with me. The >transmission locked up on the way home! The only thing that I couldn't >figure out was why it had three pedals in the floor? I hate to tell you this, but you stepped into a time warp. You actually got late teens or early '20's vintange Ford. That's why it had three pedals. When you learn to play them, you can drive again..... And never forget to retard the spark when you crank it. There's a special kind of bone break known as the "Model T" fracture. Man, beekeeping sure was different back then! But moving hives was easier when you didn't have to worry about the horses getting stung... Now what's a Viper? Cell phone? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Apr 2001 19:04:40 GMT References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Message-ID: <20010401150440.09005.00001694@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29073 >I have been feeding them all the diet coke syrup I can get my hands on >but they still aren't building up. What do you think is the problem? Why are they on a diet? Is the queen getting a little chunky nowadays, maybe? Can't fit her tail into the cells, eh? I got news for you! The queen is *supposed* to be FAT. Give her some RC Cola syrup and a couple Moon Pies every day, and she'll do fine. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 00:31:10 GMT References: <20010401150440.09005.00001694@ng-mo1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Message-ID: <20010401203110.08925.00001732@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29074 > > Why are they on a diet? Is the queen getting a little chunky nowadays, >maybe? Can't fit her tail into the cells, eh? > > I got news for you! The queen is *supposed* to be FAT. Give her some RC >Cola syrup and a couple Moon Pies every day, and she'll do fine. > LOLOLOLOLOLMAO I have a skinning Queen here and Trade with ya? Article 29075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!mhg3 From: Mike Griggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:25:11 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 37 Sender: verified_for_usenet@cornell.edu (mhg3 on d2083.dialup.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net> <6jrw6.8931$9i1.729281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d2083.dialup.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 986174713 2493 132.236.155.83 (2 Apr 2001 01:25:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2001 01:25:13 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29075 I work for USDA in Ithaca, and happen to be president of the local beekeepers association and president of the EAS 2002 Conference to be held here at Cornell. That Said, It bothers me that USDA is referenced as a large amorphous organisation of individual that are so incrusted in beurocracy as to impede every beekeepers initiative. We have potentials that some short term funded programs are unable to tackle. I personally am working on developing fungal pathogens of insects as alternatives to chemical insecticides but am working on evaluating the potential effects of these "new" treatments on non-target beneficials. OK more than you needed to know! This group who are hoping to contract with a local beekeeper to save money as our money is quite tight. Their mission is to maintain crop lineages in a seed gremplasm and use the nucs to insure incrosing under screen tents to maintain the seed crosses. This is real hard on the bees. It is something like bees in a greenhouse only worse. I cautioned that it is going to be a tough order to fill as the beekeeper will not make any honey and will need additional hives to maintain a steady supply of nucs. Mike In article <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com>, Larry Farris wrote: > http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi > > George Styer wrote: > > > For what purpose does the USDA want the nucs? > > Go to the above link and click on "Beehive Rentals" > you can read all about it there. > Article 29076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone know what this is? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:08:14 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.17.e9 X-Server-Date: 2 Apr 2001 04:51:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29076 Hello All From a first year beekeeper. I have found a few (2 or 3) tan coloured chrysalis in front of the hive, they are about 1/2" long. Anyone know what they might be? Having put a second brood chamber on the hive, I am feeding to stimulate brood production. They keep building comb between the frames in the top and bottom chambers, it is a brown or tan coloured comb. Should I continue removing it when I check the hive. Thank you David Article 29077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 05:36:04 GMT References: <20010319092650.24780.00000809@nso-bh.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: RE NEW QUEENS Message-ID: <20010402013604.20275.00003495@ng-mq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29077 Thanks for your creative ideas. Luckily, the bee supplier, upon hearing my tale of woe, said he would hold the queens (how, I don't know) until this coming Wednesday--I just got back (Carribean) last night. In fact, things are still "moving" (cruise). Thnx again. Buzzylee Article 29078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 12:03:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Honey Reloaction? Message-ID: <20010402080336.26272.00000954@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29078 HI Ya'll I have a simple question. The honey combs above brood chamber are build across way and I'm going to move them down the bottom of the brood chamber and place a new super above brood chamber with new foundation. Question is ... Will the bees use old honey from lower super and building new combs as above new super in order to move their honey above new super? or They would have to build it from new honey flow ? Thanks. Tim Article 29079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives not building up! Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 07:20:50 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ac70d1a.140791628@news1.radix.net> <3ac76692.163698039@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29079 Ok! Just a little slow in the morning. chris Article 29080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Increasing hive numbers Message-ID: <3ac8747b.226091718@west.usenetserver.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:10:19 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:59:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29080 You've been pretty missinformed here The Conservation Reserve Program doesn't have a minimum acre size of a section .. many small farms have CRP land .. there is a premium to preserve land immediately adjacent to creeks, waterways etc. Although this pays the taxes on the land it no way replaces the income you could get by farming the land, its just a myth that people are getting "rich" by putting parts of their farm into the CRP. Only acreas that have been actively farmed for the past 3 years are elligible, you can't put a "pasture" in. I have 160 acreas and 90 of it went into the CRP for 10 years. It took the first 4 years CRP payments to conture and 2 more years payments just to pay for seeding it to native grasses and wildflowers. Article 29081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Full Dutch beekeeping software Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:09:48 +0200 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9aa49l$s9g$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip31.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 986223733 28976 195.215.97.31 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29081 I want to thank Busybee for helping me getting my software in full Dutch interface and full Dutch help. get it from my web. Updated 2 april 2001 -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 29082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 18:45:22 GMT References: <3AC65078.49D4965E@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: swarm lures Message-ID: <20010402144522.08281.00001699@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29082 I thumbtacked them to a tree where the swarms have collected on a few occasions. I never had any luck with them in boxes though. Article 29083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "jennifer monahan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new to this need advise... Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:38:55 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9aakfa$maf$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-834.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 986240298 22863 62.25.231.66 (2 Apr 2001 19:38:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2001 19:38:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29083 Sometime in the next year or so I want to begin keeping bee's. However I'm a lazy person who is not particularly interested in maximising honey production for profit. With these facts in mind I attended a short bee keeping course last summer and the course leader mentioned a hive called the french long box. Can any one help me with more information about these. The impression I got was that these are much larger than the usual UK style of hive (excuse my lack of jargon, this is all new to me still) and longer. Therefore (the theory says) swarming is much less of a problem and you don't have to keep so much of a close eye on the hive. Is this true? So if anyone can help me out on this point I'd be much obliged. Ta ta Jenn Article 29084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.130!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Apr 2001 21:23:20 GMT References: <20010402144522.08281.00001699@ng-co1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: swarm lures Message-ID: <20010402172320.08909.00001789@ng-mo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29084 Maybe the Queen is still in present ( hang inside the cluster) . Don't quote me this. It just my guess. Article 29085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:45:01 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ac8f2af.265103783@news1.radix.net> References: <20010402080336.26272.00000954@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29085 On 02 Apr 2001 12:03:36 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >HI Ya'll > I have a simple question. The honey combs above brood chamber are build across >way and I'm going to move them down the bottom of the brood chamber and place a >new super above brood chamber with new foundation. Question is ... >Will the bees use old honey from lower super and building new combs as above >new super in order to move their honey above new super? or They would have to >build it from new honey flow ? Thanks. > Tim Check back to my answer in "reversed box" that you posted 3/26 beekeep Article 29086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Apr 2001 02:02:28 GMT References: <3ac8f2af.265103783@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Message-ID: <20010402220228.06320.00002381@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29086 Ok sure will. Thanks Article 29087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Apr 2001 02:16:16 GMT References: <3ac8f2af.265103783@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Message-ID: <20010402221616.06320.00002384@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29087 >> Tim >Check back to my answer in "reversed box" that you posted 3/26 > Sorry I done lost it. I when ahead move the super down today. I found the queen which she look good but might have to kill her because she has not laying an eggs. There were 5 brood Rack is full of fresh pollen and honey and ready for her laying. Yeah the brood combs are clean and alots of drone is coming out today. This is in Va. I'm going to give her two more week to live but, we have alot of crap rain this whole week which might slow her down? Article 29088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Misguided? From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:13:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.247.235 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 986302855 212.137.247.235 (Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:00:55 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:00:55 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29088 I have been monitoring the newsgroup for a while (3 months now). I spent one season helping an elderly (now deceased) gentleman tend his hives. I've read about bees on and off since the age of 11. I finally have a spot of land to keep hives on (wife won't have then in the back garden). And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try it and see approach? Article 29089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No place to lay eggs! Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:02:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29089 Please bear with me while I try to explain my problem... I had two hives. One died for some reason...it had two brood boxes. The top brood box had all ten frames filled with honey but the bees never moved up to it this winter. They stayed in the bottom and starved. I decided to requeen the remaining hive because the queen was two years old. When my new queen arrived, I opened the hive to find the old queen and that's when I found out that this hive was queenless. (I'm new to all of this so I had an experianced beekeeper helping me.) The bees accepted the queen right away and so after 3 days I turned her loose. Now for the problem.... Since hive number one died, the bees from hive number 2 have been robbing the honey. The frames in the broodbox have been filled with honey since there was no queen in it to lay eggs. Now the new queen is having a hard time trying to find an empty cell to lay eggs. I had added another super on top of the brood box and the bees are filling it with honey also! Next I put on a queen excluder on top of the second super and added another super and the bees are filling it up also! What can I do to give the queen more room to lay eggs? Should I remove the honey filled frames in the brood box and put in empty frames? Article 29090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!nntp.msen.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister1.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: postings Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:06:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.75.67.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister1.starband.net 986310417 148.75.67.98 (Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:06:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:06:57 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29090 all I can see are postings within the last few days. how can I get to see them all for the last month or so? -- Article 29091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:07:31 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3ac9addc.313021160@news1.radix.net> References: <3ac8f2af.265103783@news1.radix.net> <20010402221616.06320.00002384@ng-ff1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29091 On 03 Apr 2001 02:16:16 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >>> Tim >>Check back to my answer in "reversed box" that you posted 3/26 >> > >Sorry I done lost it. I when ahead move the super down today. I found the queen >which she look good but might have to kill her because she has not laying an >eggs. There were 5 brood Rack is full of fresh pollen and honey and ready for >her laying. Yeah the brood combs are clean and alots of drone is coming out >today. >This is in Va. >I'm going to give her two more week to live but, we have alot of crap rain this >whole week which might slow her down? Give her time. If she is new it take her a little while to learn what to do. I have seen new queens that seemed absolutely worthless become the best I have ever seen. Take the cross comb super off. Add a good super to the hive and put the inner cover on. Then put the cross combed super on, another inner cover and then the top. Check it in a couple of days and see if they haven't cleaned it out and moved the honey down. beekeep Article 29092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where did our troll go? Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:09:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3ac9af17.313335875@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29092 One good FU from a fellow poster and he was never heard from again. Thanks! beekeep Article 29093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Apr 2001 20:03:33 GMT References: <3ac9addc.313021160@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey Reloaction? Message-ID: <20010403160333.27504.00002247@ng-mj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29093 Yeah I recalled it now. I just done already move the cross combs down the bottom other day and put new super above brood chamber. I will see what happen in couple week if the sun come out. That way by two week up if the queen don't start laying I'm going to stump her thru mud! Maybe will have to spray her a 5th Ave. so she can pick up drone's. Article 29094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No place to lay eggs! Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:24:45 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ACA318C.2DBD5C6F@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29094 Howdy Mr D -- If there is still honey left in the dead-out hive, you could seal it up and ration the bees doing the robbing until you get control. Removing honey in the brood box and replacing with drawn comb is a logical way to go. If you have a box of drawn comb (either deep or shallow) you could put the whole box just above the honey-flled brood box. Pete "Mr. Dixon" wrote: > Please bear with me while I try to explain my problem... > I had two hives. One died for some reason...it had two brood boxes. The > top brood box had all ten frames filled with honey but the bees never moved > up to it this winter. They stayed in the bottom and starved. > I decided to requeen the remaining hive because the queen was two years old. > When my new queen arrived, I opened the hive to find the old queen and > that's when I found out that this hive was queenless. (I'm new to all of > this so I had an experianced beekeeper helping me.) The bees accepted the > queen right away and so after 3 days I turned her loose. Now for the > problem.... > Since hive number one died, the bees from hive number 2 have been robbing > the honey. The frames in the broodbox have been filled with honey since > there was no queen in it to lay eggs. Now the new queen is having a hard > time trying to find an empty cell to lay eggs. I had added another super on > top of the brood box and the bees are filling it with honey also! Next I put > on a queen excluder on top of the second super and added another super and > the bees are filling it up also! What can I do to give the queen more room > to lay eggs? Should I remove the honey filled frames in the brood box and > put in empty frames? Article 29095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Misguided? Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:29:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ACA3293.8C000171@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29095 Howdy Mac -- By all means go for it - with a couple of hives while you read and study and talk to fellow beekeepers. If you can not keep them in your yard, check with members of the beekeepers group. Someone will have space to let you use on their property. You can expect to get hooked on bees and want to learn more. This will lead to many happy rewarding years with the bees. Very, Very fascinating little critters. Pete ******************************************** macprofessor@ic24.net wrote: > I have been monitoring the newsgroup for a while (3 months now). > I spent one season helping an elderly (now deceased) gentleman tend his > hives. > I've read about bees on and off since the age of 11. > I finally have a spot of land to keep hives on (wife won't have then in the > back garden). > And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. > Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try > it and see approach? Article 29096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No place to lay eggs! Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:13:29 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ACA318C.2DBD5C6F@arkansas.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 53 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29096 I don't have any boxes of drawn comb..just new frames that haven't been used yet. Should I put a box full of these new frames above the brood box or remove the honey filled brood box and replace it with the new frames? "H. Rogers" wrote in message news:3ACA318C.2DBD5C6F@arkansas.net... > Howdy Mr D -- > > If there is still honey left in the dead-out hive, you could seal it up and > ration the bees doing the robbing until you get control. Removing honey in the > brood box and replacing with drawn comb is a logical way to go. If you have a > box of drawn comb (either deep or shallow) > you could put the whole box just above the honey-flled brood box. > > Pete > > "Mr. Dixon" wrote: > > > Please bear with me while I try to explain my problem... > > I had two hives. One died for some reason...it had two brood boxes. The > > top brood box had all ten frames filled with honey but the bees never moved > > up to it this winter. They stayed in the bottom and starved. > > I decided to requeen the remaining hive because the queen was two years old. > > When my new queen arrived, I opened the hive to find the old queen and > > that's when I found out that this hive was queenless. (I'm new to all of > > this so I had an experianced beekeeper helping me.) The bees accepted the > > queen right away and so after 3 days I turned her loose. Now for the > > problem.... > > Since hive number one died, the bees from hive number 2 have been robbing > > the honey. The frames in the broodbox have been filled with honey since > > there was no queen in it to lay eggs. Now the new queen is having a hard > > time trying to find an empty cell to lay eggs. I had added another super on > > top of the brood box and the bees are filling it with honey also! Next I put > > on a queen excluder on top of the second super and added another super and > > the bees are filling it up also! What can I do to give the queen more room > > to lay eggs? Should I remove the honey filled frames in the brood box and > > put in empty frames? > Article 29097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:54:46 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3aca4682.352098648@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29097 On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:06:57 GMT, "Lowell Hutchison" wrote: >all I can see are postings within the last few days. how can I get to see >them all for the last month or so? > I use Free Agent and can see back to 3/5. beekeep Article 29098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No place to lay eggs! Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:53:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3aca45c4.351908488@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29098 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:02:15 -0400, "Mr. Dixon" wrote: >Please bear with me while I try to explain my problem... >I had two hives. One died for some reason...it had two brood boxes. The >top brood box had all ten frames filled with honey but the bees never moved >up to it this winter. They stayed in the bottom and starved. >I decided to requeen the remaining hive because the queen was two years old. >When my new queen arrived, I opened the hive to find the old queen and >that's when I found out that this hive was queenless. (I'm new to all of >this so I had an experianced beekeeper helping me.) The bees accepted the >queen right away and so after 3 days I turned her loose. Now for the >problem.... >Since hive number one died, the bees from hive number 2 have been robbing >the honey. The frames in the broodbox have been filled with honey since >there was no queen in it to lay eggs. Now the new queen is having a hard >time trying to find an empty cell to lay eggs. I had added another super on >top of the brood box and the bees are filling it with honey also! Next I put >on a queen excluder on top of the second super and added another super and >the bees are filling it up also! What can I do to give the queen more room >to lay eggs? Should I remove the honey filled frames in the brood box and >put in empty frames? > Pile the brood boxes from hive number 1 on hive number two. In six weeks you should be able to spilt them back to two hives again. beekeep Article 29099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Apr 2001 01:48:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Calamity Beefalls a Feral Honeybee Colony Message-ID: <20010403214825.08253.00002062@ng-mn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29099 Pictoral: http://pollinator.com/feral/calamity.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ACAAC24.D2C3F11B@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:07:48 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 986353332 208.235.28.44 (Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:02:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:02:12 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29100 Lowell Hutchison wrote: > > all I can see are postings within the last few days. how can I get to see > them all for the last month or so? The settings in your mail/news viewer can affect which posts are downloaded. Not knowing what software you are using, eg. Netscape vs Microsoft vs other brand, it is hard to give specific advice. However, you can use deja news to view the last 2500 or so posts to this group. Go the the address below, then type in sci.agriculture.beekeeping in search field. http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/deja_announcement.html AL Article 29101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!newsfeed.intelenet.net!news.quik.com!not-for-mail From: "jerry houle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Misguided? Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.213.154.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@quik.com X-Trace: newsfeed.intelenet.net 986364728 209.213.154.223 (Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:12:08 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:12:08 PDT Organization: Quik Internet -- http://www.quik.com/ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 06:12:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29101 > And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. > Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try > it and see approach? The trick is to find someone not interested in tending bees him/herself, but who has suitable acreage not too distant from you who would welcome the attempt to maintain colonies on their land. You'd be exchanging pollinative advantages (plus liberal honey donations) for venue. You'd be looking for a landowner who has suitable forage areas nearby, minimum livestock and pedestrian travel in an area of a few hundred square feet, reasonably level, near some water, somewhat protected from high winds and occasional rain flooding. The property owner would have to agree to consult with you on use of pesticides, of course. I had such a problem not long ago. All kinds of effort to find such a situation proved fruitless until in desperation I posted on a local "forsale" type of newsgroup, citing my needed conditions. In a few days got almost a dozen responses. I met with four and decided on one and its been going great ever since. It is also a good idea to search for a website of your state agricultural department where a link may lead you to a page where monthly classified ads are posted by the farming community. These are often grouped by categories like flowers, seeds, plants, equipment, labor, farm real estate, and often include beekeeper ads broken into for sale or wanted. Your message posted there may well be read by a bee supplier/dealer who knows of someone looking for someone like you. Article 29102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andrew Kidd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Organic Standards Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:16:23 +0100 Lines: 162 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: async72-9.nas.onetel.net.uk Message-ID: <3acb1ed3@news-uk.onetel.net.uk> X-Trace: 4 Apr 2001 14:17:07 GMT, async72-9.nas.onetel.net.uk Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!ams-newsfeed.speedport.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!news-uk.onetel.net.uk!async72-9.nas.onetel.net.uk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29102 Is it possible that someone could explain to me about the legal and political landscape surrounding the issues below. I find it very interesting, but as a European am a bit confused about the various groups and organizations (USDA I know) etc. For example, what is the status of a Final Rule? How is that different from the OFPA? Who is behind the OFPA and what is its legal status? Certainly the issues are not peculiar to the US! Thanks. Andrew Kidd. "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:tbfd55ec45nddf@corp.supernews.com... > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Arthur Harvey > To: campaign@organicconsumers.org > Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:41:44 -0500 (EST) > > Final Rule Impact > > > > by Arthur Harvey (with help from Chris Kidwell and > > Nick Maravell) > > > > Unless basic changes are made, USDA's Final > Rule, > > issued December 21, will fundamentally transform > > organic farming, inspecting and standards. > > > > Some changes may be for the better. Under > section > > 205.501(a)(11)(i,ii & iii) certified farmers may > not > > serve on their own certifier's board of directors. > > But the Rule does not define "conflict of interest". > > So the definition in OFPA 6515(h) will probably be > > decisive in the long run, which should not prove > > disruptive to non-profit certifiers. > > > > More ominous is .501(a)(11)(iv) which prevents > > certifiers (and inspectors) from "giving advice" to > > farmers. Because this goes beyond the OFPA section > > mentioned above, we may hope it will not survive a > > legal challenge. > > > > Two organic funadamentals have been removed > > entirely from the USDA Rule. First, the > environmental > > ethic. USDA considers that the EPA is sufficient to > > handle all such concerns. Second, transparency. > > Although OFPA 6506(a)(9) requires "public access to > > certification documents", the Rule is silent about > it. > > > > So much for the wholistic idea. > > > > The Rule is not user-friendly for farmers and > > inspectors. It lacks clear guidelines and specific > > lists of allowed materials, such as the OMRI list. > > The compost requirement at 205.2 will be impractical > > for many small farmers. The compost standard will > > apply only to organic farmers, not conventional, and > > it is intended as an extra safety measure. At the > > same time, we are not allowed to claim that organic > > food is safer or of higher quality. > > > > Absent is any limit on intentional rotation in > and > > out of organic status. See Preamble, page 78. Most > > certifiers now ban the practice, but they will be > > obliged to permit it in 2002. > > > > Labeling and organic content of preocessed foods > > are problematic. .304(b) requires certifiers to put > > their names on products with only 70% organic > > ingredients, in violation of OFPA 6510(a)(4). It > also > > means a lowering of standards for any certifier that > > does not now certify such products. At the same > time, > > the USDA seal will appear only on 95% and 100% > organic > > products. This will create the impression that the > > USDA has higher standards than the private > certifiers. > > In reality, USDA is forcing a lowering of > standards > > while disguising the fact with labeling > > sleight-of-hand. > > > > The National List at .600(b) and .605(b) allows > > synthetics to be added in processing, contrary to > OFPA > > 6510(a)(1) and 6517(c)(1)(B)(iii). Also, .606 fails > > to list specific exemptions as required in OFPA > > 6517(c)(2)(B). This failure defeats the purpose of > > the Sunset Provision at 6517(e). These distortions > of > > the clear language of OFPA are the most likely ones > to > > be struck down by a federal court. > > > > .101(b)(2) excludes restaurants, delis and > > bakeries from certification. OFPA 6502(9) excludes > > only "final retailers of agricultural products that > do > > not process agricultural products." Another > apparent > > violation. > > > > .501(b) is where the Final Rule become the Final > > Solution for private certifiers. USDA will deny > them > > the ability to improve standards. Until now, organic > > standards have evolved from a consumer-farmer > > dialogue. In the future, standards will rise or > fall > > primarily from a dialogue between USDA and corporate > > lobbyists. Of course, they will be constrained by > > public opinion, whose effectiveness is hard to > > predict. The NOSB will probably slow any further > > corruption of the National List, but that will not > > save the constitutent-based certifiers who have lost > > two of their essential functions---helping farmers > and > > improving standards. > > > > USDA says that a uniform standard is needed to > > fulfill OFPA 6501(2), "to assure consumers that > > organically produced products meet a consistent > > standard". Also, that consumers will be confused if > > the current variety of standards in the marketplace > is > > allowed to continue. > > > > The European Union, with an organic market twice > > the size of ours, allows each of 15 nations to meet > > the minimum standard as it wishes. As to consumer > > confusion, at least five federal agencies have > minimum > > standards: the Coast Guard (boat construction and > > life preservers), FDA (recipe-based processed food > > labeling), FTC (food advertising), Interstate Milk > > Shipment program of USDA, and Consumer Product > Safety > > Commission. When I interviewed compliance officers > of > > these agencies, none could recall more than one case > > related to a claim that a product exceeded federal > > standards. The CPSC actually encourages > manufacturers > > to exceed the standards and to test their own > > products, which they may promote on the basis of > test > > results. So where is the consumer confusion USDA is > > worried about? > > > > > > Article 29103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calamity Beefalls a Feral Honeybee Colony Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:13:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010403214825.08253.00002062@ng-mn1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29103 excellent documentation, thanks...one possible method of maintaining the motherline genome at least would be to find viable eggs and transplant them with or without (i.e., grafting) comb to a queenless nuc...takes advantage of the fact that eggs are hardier than brood, generally surviving for 3 days or so under otherwise adverse conditions before hatching...likewise, the nuc may be placed near feral hive to encourage remnants to it and even left there for virgin queen matings with whatever drone population in the area may have contributed to its original genetics, including its own. Dave Green <> wrote in message news:20010403214825.08253.00002062@ng-mn1.aol.com... > > Pictoral: http://pollinator.com/feral/calamity.htm Article 29104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ACB723A.9E7DD72F@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is? References: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:12:58 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 986411615 147.25.198.43 (Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:13:35 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:13:35 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29104 David wrote: > I have found a few (2 or 3) tan coloured chrysalis in front of the hive, > they are about 1/2" long. Anyone know what they might be? My "Webster's" defines chrysalis as: the pupa or cocoon of a butterfly (...or in this case, probably wax moths). By "in front of the hive", I presume you mean on the ground, in front of the entrance. I'd say the bees have pulled these out of the hive during their cleaning process and discarded them there. You'll also likely see some little white or gray "mummies" from chilled bee brood (or chalkbrood) and other "trash" from the hive. > They keep building comb between the frames in the top and > bottom chambers, it is a brown or tan coloured comb. Should I continue > removing it when I check the hive. As you wish. I usually scrape it off once a year, during my "Spring Cleaning" of the hives. Here's a hint: if this burr comb (between supers) causes you some difficulties by sticking the boxes or frames together, then before you lift the supers up, rotate them a little (about a 30 or 45 degree twist should do the trick). This breaks the comb bond and the boxes separate more easily. Article 29105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.81!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new to this need advise... Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:46:56 -0500 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <9aakfa$maf$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.81 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986424412 5390765 216.167.143.81 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29105 Jenn said: >I'm a lazy person who is not particularly interested in maximising honey >production for profit. Well first off just let me say I love you and would you like to ..wait, I've already done that. OK..forget the bollocks. Never mind that business about the french long box..sounds fishy to me..just stick with the modified national and standard frames. Get some experience. Some bees swarm more than others. Just find out where the local beekeepers hang in your area, (they're pretty boring, like farmers) and ask a few questions, and visit a local hive or two. Don't forget before going forth to see your hives, you must do the secret chant: EX HOC FORTE DULCIS VENIS (repeat several times) C.K. Article 29106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.183!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Standards Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:44:41 -0500 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3acb1ed3@news-uk.onetel.net.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.183 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986435083 5324839 216.167.138.183 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29106 >what is the status of a >Final Rule? a good text explanation is at: >http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.ams.usda.gov/nop/nop2000/Final%2520Rule/nopfinal.pdf++USDA%27s+Final&hl=en< warning! it's a text file and quite large. There is also a .pif file version, if you have the Acrobat reader. >How is that different from the OFPA? Who is behind the OFPA and >what is its legal status? Organic Foods Production Act read this: >http://www.ibiblio.org/london/agriculture/forums/organic-agriculture/msg00050.html< I don't know if you know this but there'a a search engine at www.google.com that's a real marvel. I put in your query and got the above URL's. With information available on stuff like this I really wonder why people ask a newsgroup at all; of course you might be directed to a letter published on this newsgroup from the above search engine, so it's like a big circle. C.K. Article 29107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:24:28 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9agngp$usc$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <3ACB723A.9E7DD72F@raytheon.com> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.19.bc X-Server-Date: 5 Apr 2001 03:07:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29107 Thank you for your help. I kept one in a jar, it hatched this evening. It is a small dark gray moth. Is this a wax moth? > My "Webster's" defines chrysalis as: the pupa or cocoon > of a butterfly (...or in this case, probably wax moths). > By "in front of the hive", I presume you mean on the ground, > in front of the entrance. I'd say the bees have pulled these > out of the hive during their cleaning process and discarded > them there. You'll also likely see some little white or gray > "mummies" from chilled bee brood (or chalkbrood) and other > "trash" from the hive. I noticed that the space between the frames in the top and bottom supers is about 1\2" to 5\8" should I try to reduce this or just clean it up once a year? There was some eggs in the comb. > As you wish. > I usually scrape it off once a year, during my "Spring Cleaning" > of the hives. Here's a hint: if this burr comb (between supers) > causes you some difficulties by sticking the boxes or frames > together, then before you lift the supers up, rotate them a little > (about a 30 or 45 degree twist should do the trick). This breaks > the comb bond and the boxes separate more easily. Article 29108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new to this need advise... Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:30:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3acc48ce.483760498@news1.radix.net> References: <9aakfa$maf$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29108 On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:46:56 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >Don't forget before going forth to see your hives, you must >do the secret chant: > >EX HOC FORTE DULCIS VENIS (repeat several times) > >C.K. Damn it Charlie, what are you going to do next, give away our secret handshake? beekeep Article 29109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is? Message-ID: <3acc6eec.486812765@west.usenetserver.com> References: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <3ACB723A.9E7DD72F@raytheon.com> <9agngp$usc$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:09:40 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:11:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29109 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:24:28 -0400, "David" wrote: >Thank you for your help. >I kept one in a jar, it hatched this evening. It is a small dark gray moth. >Is this a wax moth? > >> My "Webster's" defines chrysalis as: the pupa or cocoon >> of a butterfly (...or in this case, probably wax moths). >> By "in front of the hive", I presume you mean on the ground, >> in front of the entrance. I'd say the bees have pulled these >> out of the hive during their cleaning process and discarded >> them there. You'll also likely see some little white or gray >> "mummies" from chilled bee brood (or chalkbrood) and other >> "trash" from the hive. > >I noticed that the space between the frames in the top and bottom supers is >about 1\2" to 5\8" should I try to reduce this or just clean it up once a >year? >There was some eggs in the comb. > > >> As you wish. >> I usually scrape it off once a year, during my "Spring Cleaning" >> of the hives. Here's a hint: if this burr comb (between supers) >> causes you some difficulties by sticking the boxes or frames >> together, then before you lift the supers up, rotate them a little >> (about a 30 or 45 degree twist should do the trick). This breaks >> the comb bond and the boxes separate more easily. > > > Article 29110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is? Message-ID: <3acc6ef6.486822906@west.usenetserver.com> References: <9a90h4$dft$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <3ACB723A.9E7DD72F@raytheon.com> <9agngp$usc$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:10:35 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:12:05 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29110 You can compare to www.libertybee.com/waxmoth.htm Dave On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:24:28 -0400, "David" wrote: >Thank you for your help. >I kept one in a jar, it hatched this evening. It is a small dark gray moth. >Is this a wax moth? > Article 29111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Standards Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:04:40 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29111 for some more background and links see m.t.sanford's (florida) apis newsletter at http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis_2000/apapr_2000.htm#6 and/or browse the topical index at http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/threads.htm ...likewise see the discussion on california organic farming in e.mussen's (ucdavis) apiculture news at http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/faculty/Mussen/9-10-00.pdf or alternatively access via http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/faculty/mussen/news.html for another detailed analysis... Article 29112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail From: Maren Purves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:15:49 -1000 Organization: Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ACCE085.3E@jach.hawaii.edu> References: <3aca4682.352098648@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lilikoi.jach.hawaii.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 986505350 19966 128.171.90.227 (5 Apr 2001 21:15:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2001 21:15:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29112 beekeep wrote: > > On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:06:57 GMT, "Lowell Hutchison" > wrote: > > >all I can see are postings within the last few days. how can I get to see > >them all for the last month or so? > > > I use Free Agent and can see back to 3/5. this doesn't only depend on which software you use to read it, but also where you get it from. My news server gets rid of news messages in most newsgroups after 3 days. If I want older ones I have to go to Deja.com Maren Article 29113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 00:26:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Plastic Excluder Message-ID: <20010405202640.20181.00000514@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29113 The Queen done lay some of the egg up in the super, After she move on down and I put Plastic Excluder ( it was free) on the brood chamber to prevent her coming back up later. The drone has hatch and was dying above the excluder because he can't go thur the hole. Finally I remove it. Is those plastic are junk or the hole are actual wrong size? Article 29114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:12:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3acd17b3.536725693@news1.radix.net> References: <20010405202640.20181.00000514@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p29.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29114 On 06 Apr 2001 00:26:40 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > The Queen done lay some of the egg up in the super, After she move on down >and I put Plastic Excluder ( it was free) on the brood chamber to prevent her >coming back up later. The drone has hatch and was dying above the excluder >because he can't go thur the hole. Finally I remove it. Is those plastic are >junk or the hole are actual wrong size? Drones can't pass through any queen excluder. An upper entrance will let them out. beekeep Article 29115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: cryanolson@aol.com (CRyanOlson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 02:40:08 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Brood question Message-ID: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29115 I would suggest locating the queen on the next warm day and searching closely the for eggs on the frame where she's located. My understanding is that the queen will lay at least some eggs at all times during the year. During cold weather, egg-laying should be where the bulk of the cluster is. There should be some pollen coming in now, especially if there are any pussy willow trees around and egg-laying should be happening. If the queen is missing or not laying, all that's needed is to replace with a new queen. Replacement can be a little more difficult once the queen has been missing for a while. Article 29116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 03:53:44 GMT References: <3acd17b3.536725693@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Message-ID: <20010405235344.17907.00000999@ng-mj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29116 oh ok. Weather suppose be real nice the Sat. high as 80. I'm going out there to clean it up more and check on the lazy Queen. Article 29117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 05:20:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Smokey flavoured Honey? Message-ID: <20010406012040.14329.00000687@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29117 I recently received some honey from the beekeepers from Chiapas (Mexico)--it was very smoky in taste and I assumed they used wood to warm the honey in order to extract it. Buzzylee Article 29118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:40:39 +1200 Organization: ihug ( New Zealand ) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9ajl1q$nn9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> References: <20010405202640.20181.00000514@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p665-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 986535803 24297 203.173.194.157 (6 Apr 2001 05:43:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 05:43:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29118 Blue Taz37 wrote in message news:20010405202640.20181.00000514@ng-fy1.aol.com... > The drone has hatch and was dying above the excluder > because he can't go thur the hole. Finally I remove it. Is those plastic are > junk or the hole are actual wrong size? that is why it is best to use an excluder with wooden surround. i use a rasp to make a semi circular drone escape, which is always on the upside at the back when i place it over the brood chambers. makes a handy little extra entrance for the foragers during the flow too. cheers, mark Article 29119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Misguided? Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:57:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 986551831 nnrp-12:26067 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29119 In article , macprofessor@ic24.net writes >I have been monitoring the newsgroup for a while (3 months now). >I spent one season helping an elderly (now deceased) gentleman tend his >hives. >I've read about bees on and off since the age of 11. >I finally have a spot of land to keep hives on (wife won't have then in the >back garden). >And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. >Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try >it and see approach? You have to start somewhere - I did just that - and called out the beekeeper who sold me 3 colonies when they started swarming. And another a few weeks later!!! Joining the association *now* is a good idea - you'll get to meetings in apiaries which will be starting very soon. As to buying colonies - do take advice. There is a move in the UK (which I suspect is where you are) to get colonies sold certified as disease free first. Ask the vendor to get the seasonal bee officer to inspect them before sale. Go to a short course early on. It is nice if you can get involved with your vendor in creating the nuclei you'll buy, so you can see it from the very beginning. And if you can get a mentor from the local association, so much the better. -- James Kilty Article 29120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Early Swarm Story Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:17:35 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 50 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29120 Hello fellow beekeeps, I had an interesting evening the other day! I have had my indoor observation hive going now for about 8 months. This spring I was facinated to watch as the population exploded, queen cells were constructed and all the activities that take place in the springtime. I was greatly looking forward to watching them prepare for swarming. After the queen cells were capped, I had planned to count days and start setting up a video camera to record the actual swarm as it happened. I wanted to see all the activities leading to a swarm ... As it turns out, I did get to see all those activities, but I did not know what I was looking at. The last few days there was a pretty good beard hanging outside my window, where the hive entrance is located. I knew they would swarm soon, but I thought they would wait until a new queen was ready to take over. I was home for lunch and all seemed well, but when I came home last night the beard was gone and the hive had just enough bees to care for the remaining brood ... I knew they had swarmed, and I hoped they were still in the area so I could retrieve them. The hive had become so overcrowded, that it swarmed even before the queen cells were capped. I went outside to look for them, and sure enough (luckily), they were in the tree outside the back door. Unfortunately, they were about 20' up! I walked around and pondered the situation for 15 minutes. Finally, I borrowed the neighbor's extension ladder and set it up in the back of my truck to get almost to them, but not quite. So I rearranged a little and set a hive box, as close as I could estimate, right under the mass of bees. I went up the ladder, braced myself, and shook the branch sharply. A large number of them fell in the grass right in front of the hive, and I hoped the queen was among them. Soon they started filing in like an army on the march. Many had taken to the air, and many were going back the the branch where they had been, so I shook the branch a couple more times. I would say that within 30 minutes, the vast majority had entered the new hive box, and a few actually went back to the observation hive. Well, when it was all said and done, I'm quite certain the queen has entered the new hive as they seem to be setting up housekeeping quite nicely. I'll give them a few days and then assure the queen is present, but I'm betting all is well. As for the observation hive, I have verified that there are at least three of the queen cells that have larve in them, so it should not be queenless for more than a week and half of so. I continue to look forward to seeing this cycle as a new queen starts her reign. An observation hive is invaluable for anyone who really wants to get to know their bees, and I highly recommend them! Great fun! Thanks for reading! Charles Article 29121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!TDC-Europe.POSTED!ip110.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Misguided? Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:08:41 +0200 Organization: Posted through some European Outpost of TDC Internet A/S Lines: 49 Message-ID: <9akssf$9bf$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip110.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 986576591 9583 195.215.97.110 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29121 Beekeeping Project Objectives 1. To actively participate in a specialized, productive, agricultural industry. 2. Make a contribution to agricultural production by producing honey and beeswax and by pollinating crops. 3. Promote the value of pollination activities of the indispensable honey bee. 4. Learn the life history, habits, and social structure of honey bee colonies. 5. Learn the correct way to manage colonies for the production of honey. 6. Develop leadership talents, improve strength of character, and work toward effective citizenship. 7. Stimulate your desire to learn. 8. Explore career opportunities related to beekeeping. 9. Learn how to protect honey bee colonies from exposure to insecticides, infectious diseases, and other pests. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk skrev i en meddelelse news:B6EF8AF3.1FFA%macprofessor@ic24.net... > I have been monitoring the newsgroup for a while (3 months now). > I spent one season helping an elderly (now deceased) gentleman tend his > hives. > I've read about bees on and off since the age of 11. > I finally have a spot of land to keep hives on (wife won't have then in the > back garden). > And I intend to join my local beekeeping organisation. > Would I be misguided in just obtaining some hives with bees and taking a try > it and see approach? > Article 29122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!feeder.nmix.net!reader.nmix.net!oracle.zianet.com!216.234.218.39.gilanet.com From: "David Jordan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:16:23 -0600 Organization: NMIX Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oracle.zianet.com X-Trace: reader.nmix.net 986584505 31567 204.134.124.52 (6 Apr 2001 19:15:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2001 19:15:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29122 Hello, I am new to beekeeping and have just built my first brood hive and ordered my bees. I ordered a 3# box w/queen from R. Weaver of his All-Americans. They ship on 4/27/01. I am going to build an adobe pad to place the brood box on probably today. I bought the starter kit from westernbee.com. I would welcome any advise from you all as the usnet news has been probably the most informative part of my internet experience since I started using it in 93 and I like to be well informed. I am starting primarily because bees interest me and there are such terrific yet short blooms here in Datil, NM of many wildflowers and I would like to do my part to help nature along. I feel that becoming a beekeeper will help me to accomplish this goal. I plan to plant a patch of white clover and red clover mix along side the patch of alfalfa I have going now. The alfalfa is for the elk. I live within a few miles of 3 national forrests, the Cibola, the Apache and the Gila Wilderness. We have a fairly short growing season and are 7400 feet or so in the air. The most common wild plants are Buckbrush, Rabbitbrush, Blue Gramma Grass, Pinon Pine, and Juniper, along with a host of wildflowers like Hollyhock and Evening Primrose. The local bees seem to be mostly like sweat bees and some bumble bees. Not many of the honeybees here but the ones I have seen are of a brighter color than the ones I have seen pictures of on the net. Are my bees going to have any negative impact on the local bee population? I plan to make sure that my bees dont get an infestation of varroa mites. I dont relish the idea of using apistan strips and wish to learn more about using any organic method to control this potential problem before it happens. Also how do I register my hive? I am going to call the NM Dept. of Agriculture after this I write this message and ask. Is there any studies I can get my bees involved in to help further expand the information available to us? Thank You, David Jordan Article 29123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:26:45 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <6d9sctkn81rge5s5po0eva6dm0mdc9tgo3@4ax.com> References: <3aca4682.352098648@news1.radix.net> <3ACCE085.3E@jach.hawaii.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29123 On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:15:49 -1000, Maren Purves wrote: I think what you are really after are the archives. I believe these are located at dejanews but I know if you do a search using 'sci.agriculture.beekeeping' you go straight to it. I note somebody else here uses Free Agent. I have just upgraded to Agent at little cost, brilliant for handling newsgroups. Cannot get the hang of using Outlook or Outlook Express. Article 29124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:33:54 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29124 On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:16:23 -0600, "David Jordan" wrote: Pardon my ignorance but what is an adobe pad? >They ship on 4/27/01. I am going to build an adobe pad to place the brood >box on probably today. Article 29125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Supersedes: <9alb92$db2$1@news.chatlink.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:13:33 -0700 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 19 Sender: newservice@17-030.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <9albhm$ejd$1@news.chatlink.com> References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 17-030.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 986591606 14957 64.24.32.30 (6 Apr 2001 21:13:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2001 21:13:26 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29125 In article , Steven Newport wrote: > On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:16:23 -0600, "David Jordan" > wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance but what is an adobe pad? > > >They ship on 4/27/01. I am going to build an adobe pad to place the brood > >box on probably today. Adobe = Mud/clay plus straw/twigs/sticks. Done properly, it's almost as good as concrete. -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 29126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 21:40:29 GMT References: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Brood question Message-ID: <20010406174029.22090.00002355@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29126 How long is awhile ??? Article 29127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Message-ID: <3ace3a44.604404390@west.usenetserver.com> References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:51:18 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:52:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29127 My favorite place to read is George Imirie's Pink Pages .. I've learned a lot there http://www.beekeeper.org/george_imirie/index.html also see Pollinator Page http://www.pollinator.com/ where David Green has info and links to about everything you need to know Dave Article 29128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Apr 2001 23:02:00 GMT References: <9ajl1q$nn9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Message-ID: <20010406190200.12914.00001054@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29128 >excluder with wooden surround. Yeah I was plan on buying a real one. Good thing is was free but I can see why. a rasp >to make a semi circular drone escape, You mean use plier open up alittle in few place? Article 29129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:30:40 -0700 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 20 Sender: newservice@17-030.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <9aljip$lrr$1@news.chatlink.com> References: <9ajl1q$nn9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> <20010406190200.12914.00001054@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 17-030.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 986599833 22395 64.24.32.30 (6 Apr 2001 23:30:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2001 23:30:33 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29129 In article <20010406190200.12914.00001054@ng-fl1.aol.com>, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > >excluder with wooden surround. > Yeah I was plan on buying a real one. Good thing is was free but I can see > why. > > a rasp > >to make a semi circular drone escape, > You mean use plier open up alittle in few place? No, he means use a rasp and grind a hole that drones can exit through in the wood of the box. You go tweaking on your excluder, and guess who's gonna be up topside laying eggs again? -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 29130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: postings Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:37:24 -0500 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <16rsctcmf6ervi9ojgr3fcalu72o4fc8p0@4ax.com> References: <3aca4682.352098648@news1.radix.net> <3ACCE085.3E@jach.hawaii.edu> <6d9sctkn81rge5s5po0eva6dm0mdc9tgo3@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986607446 5843079 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29130 >I note somebody else here uses Free Agent. I have just upgraded to >Agent at little cost, brilliant for handling newsgroups. Yes it is, I've used Agent for some years now and it's really great. It has one of the most 'intuitive spell checkers I've ever seen in any word 'processing' application. Also it's great for e-mail; can't say enough about it. Incidently if you are tired of seeing that splash screen every time it launches, I found a great 'patch' from a couple of Germans I'll call Hans and Fron's. Apply this and it will remove the splash screen. It's only 13kb. (then) all is bliss. Get the patch here: http://www.biol.rug.nl/hens/j/a32-18patcher.rar You'll need an .rar extractor to use this. I suggest WinRAR, as winzip won't do it. .rar is a better compression system than .zip, in my opinion. If you can't deal with the tech issues write me and I'll see if I can send you an executable file. C.K. Article 29131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.126.101.74!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:43:59 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ACE62CE.F526ACBB@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29131 Howdy Charles -- Congratulations on your keen observation and your obvious interest in bees and beekeeping. It will bring you many happy and contented hours and days, as it has for me. Pete ******************************************* CharlesW wrote: > Hello fellow beekeeps, > > I had an interesting evening the other day! I have had my indoor > observation > hive going now for about 8 months. This spring I was facinated to watch as > the population exploded, queen cells were constructed and all the activities > that take place in the springtime. I was greatly looking forward to watching > them prepare for swarming. After the queen cells were capped, I had planned > to count days and start setting up a video camera to record the actual swarm > as it happened. I wanted to see all the activities leading to a swarm ... > As it turns out, I did get to see all those activities, but I did not know > what I was looking at. The last few days there was a pretty good beard > hanging outside my window, where the hive entrance is located. I knew they > would swarm soon, but I thought they would wait until a new queen was ready > to take over. I was home for lunch and all seemed well, but when I > came home last night the beard was gone and the hive had just enough bees to > care for the remaining brood ... I knew they had swarmed, and I hoped they > were still in the area so I could retrieve them. The hive had become so > overcrowded, that it swarmed even before the queen cells were capped. > I went outside to look for them, and sure enough (luckily), they were in > the tree outside the back door. Unfortunately, they were about 20' up! I > walked around and pondered the situation for 15 minutes. Finally, I borrowed > the neighbor's extension ladder and set it up in the back of my truck to get > almost to them, but not quite. So I rearranged a little and set a hive box, > as close as I could estimate, right under the mass of bees. I went up the > ladder, braced myself, and shook the branch sharply. A large number of them > fell in the grass right in front of the hive, and I hoped the queen was > among them. Soon they started filing in like an army on the march. Many had > taken to the air, and many were going back the the branch where they had > been, so I shook the branch a couple more times. I would say that within 30 > minutes, the vast majority had entered the new hive box, and a few actually > went back to the observation hive. > Well, when it was all said and done, I'm quite certain the queen has > entered the new hive as they seem to be setting up housekeeping quite > nicely. I'll give them a few days and then assure the queen is present, but > I'm betting all is well. > As for the observation hive, I have verified that there are at least three > of the queen cells that have larve in them, so it should not be queenless > for more than a week and half of so. I continue to look forward to seeing > this cycle as a new queen starts her reign. An observation hive is > invaluable for anyone who really wants to get to know their bees, and I > highly recommend them! > Great fun! > > Thanks for reading! > Charles Article 29132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:51:35 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> <20010406174029.22090.00002355@ng-cl1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986608296 6008456 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29132 >How long is awhile ??? That's actually an important question. If you have a hive that has no freshly laid eggs (under 12 hours old) and no queen, in about three weeks and sometimes less, a LAYING WORKER will 'emerge' that goes through the motions of being the queen, in the sense that she satisfies the need for eggs to be laid; however, the eggs will only produce drone bees, ironic to be sure, but that's one of Nature's little jokes. C.K. Article 29133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:56:25 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7rssctsf2dqks2vs1jl1m6ual39askpjuc@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986608586 6008456 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29133 >Well, when it was all said and done, That was an interesting story Charles, now if you had only told us 'where' this happened. C.K. Article 29134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:56:54 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2vssct8095jckm6hs0ne8ipthdbnonjqld@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986608614 5975459 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29134 >Well, when it was all said and done, That was an interesting story Charles, now if you had only told us 'where' this happened. C.K. Article 29135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:22:05 +1200 Organization: ihug ( New Zealand ) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9ammd7$lor$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> References: <9ajl1q$nn9$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> <20010406190200.12914.00001054@ng-fl1.aol.com> <9aljip$lrr$1@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p151-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 986635496 22299 203.173.206.151 (7 Apr 2001 09:24:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:24:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29135 Don Bruder bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > > >excluder with wooden surround. > > a rasp > > >to make a semi circular drone escape, > > You mean use plier open up alittle in few place? > > No, he means use a rasp and grind a hole that drones can exit through in > the wood of the box. You go tweaking on your excluder, and guess who's > gonna be up topside laying eggs again? exactly, don. i mean a rasp. however i wld never rasp the exit into the box; i do it on the wood surround of the excluder, & make sure the exit is always on the upside of the excluder grille cheers, mark Article 29136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:25:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3acedcd4.652725123@news1.radix.net> References: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> <20010406174029.22090.00002355@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29136 On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:51:35 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>How long is awhile ??? > >That's actually an important question. If you have a hive >that has no freshly laid eggs (under 12 hours old) and no >queen, in about three weeks and sometimes less, a LAYING >WORKER will 'emerge' that goes through the motions of being >the queen, in the sense that she satisfies the need for eggs >to be laid; however, the eggs will only produce drone bees, >ironic to be sure, but that's one of Nature's little jokes. > >C.K. Only one? beekeep Article 29137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!m538p022.dipool.highway.telekom.AT!not-for-mail From: Franz Gindl Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokey flavoured Honey? Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:49:43 +0200 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ACF4527.EAC62F7D@aon.at> References: <20010406012040.14329.00000687@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: m538p022.dipool.highway.telekom.at (62.46.57.54) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986662483 6342756 62.46.57.54 (16 [29344]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Highway 194 A-Online} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AU,en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29137 LKLarson1 wrote: > > I recently received some honey from the beekeepers from Chiapas (Mexico)--it > was very smoky in taste and I assumed they used wood to warm the honey in order > to extract it. > > Buzzylee Maybee the smoky taste is from the smoke-machine used against the bees. Somebody told me that angry bees are threated by a seperate person with a lot of smoke during harvesting honey. In my country (Austria, Europe) we prefer carnica bees. Most of the time you can work without any smoke. Franz Article 29138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "natkrit" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: attention Russian beekeepers Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:39:55 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29138 ÷ÎÉÍÁÎÉÅ ÒÕÓÓËÉÈ ÐÞÅÌÏ×ÏÄÏ×! åÓÌÉ ËÔÏ-ÎÉÂÕÄØ ÉÚ ÒÕÓÓËÉÈ ÐÞÅÌÏ×ÏÄÏ×, ÖÉ×ÕÝÉÈ × åËÁÔÅÒÉÎÂÕÒÇÅ ÞÉÔÁÅÔ newsgroup, Ñ ÂÙ ÈÏÔÅÌ ×ÓÔÒÅÔÉÔØÓÑ Ó ÜÔÉÍÉ ÌÀÄØÍÉ × åËÁÔÅÒÉÎÂÕÒÇÅ, ×Ï ×ÒÅÍÑ ÍÏÅÇÏ ×ÉÚÉÔÁ: × ÉÀÎÅ:.ñ ÐÞÅÌÏ×ÏÄ - ÌÀÂÉÔÅÌØ, ÖÉ×Õ × óûá, ôÅÈÁÓ. èÏÔÅÌÏÓØ ÂÙ ÏÂÍÅÎÑÔÓÑ ÏÐÙÔÏÍ, ÐÏÚÎÁËÏÍÉÔÓÑ :.. ðÏÖÁÌÕÊÓÔÁ, ËÔÏ ÚÁÉÎÔÅÒÅÓÏ×ÁÎ, ÐÉÛÉÔÅ ÐÏ ÁÄÒÅÓÕ natkrit@cowtown.net Article 29139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp268.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:58:55 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> <9albhm$ejd$1@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a4.46 X-Server-Date: 8 Apr 2001 01:53:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29139 In article <9albhm$ejd$1@news.chatlink.com>, Don Bruder wrote: > In article , > Steven Newport wrote: > > > On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:16:23 -0600, "David Jordan" > > wrote: > > > > Pardon my ignorance but what is an adobe pad? > > > > >They ship on 4/27/01. I am going to build an adobe pad to place the brood > > >box on probably today. > > Adobe = Mud/clay plus straw/twigs/sticks. Done properly, it's almost as > good as concrete. Correction: Adobe = High tech company producing lots of great software for image manipulation (ie. Adobe Photoshop) and electronic documentation (ie. Adobe Acrobat). Ticking on the NASDQ as ADBE, closing on Friday, April 6 at 34.05. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:38:16 -0700 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 21 Sender: newservice@38-073.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <9aomf6$44m$2@news.chatlink.com> References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> <9albhm$ejd$1@news.chatlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38-073.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 986701094 4246 64.24.178.73 (8 Apr 2001 03:38:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2001 03:38:14 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29140 In article , NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > > Adobe = Mud/clay plus straw/twigs/sticks. Done properly, it's almost as > > good as concrete. > > Correction: > > Adobe = High tech company producing lots of great software for image > manipulation (ie. Adobe Photoshop) and electronic documentation (ie. Adobe > Acrobat). Ticking on the NASDQ as ADBE, closing on Friday, April 6 at > 34.05. PHLLLlllbbbbt! A pox on pedants! :) -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 29141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Daryl Yeates" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,england.biz.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agric Subject: Free advertising Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:25:48 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.105.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 986721942 62.255.105.101 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:25:42 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:25:42 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture:6251 alt.agriculture.beef:2841 alt.agriculture.commodities:692 alt.agriculture.fruit:10761 alt.agriculture.misc:12379 alt.agriculture.technology:963 alt.sustainable.agriculture:27944 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29141 sci.agriculture.fruit:3919 Placing you advert couldn't be easier. Go to classifieds at www.webpage-creation.com Place an advert in any category. This is a free service. Article 29142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Nancy W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:34:56 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Nancy W" References: <7rssctsf2dqks2vs1jl1m6ual39askpjuc@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29142 Sorry about that ... I live in the Austin, TX area. It seems there have already been several swarm calls coming into our beekeeping association. I think the swarm season is about to take off in this area! Happy Beekeeping All, Charles "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:7rssctsf2dqks2vs1jl1m6ual39askpjuc@4ax.com... > >Well, when it was all said and done, > > That was an interesting story Charles, now if you had only > told us 'where' this happened. > > C.K. Article 29143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD05E49.E4E91430@dfrc.wisc.edu> From: "Ragan T." Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA RFQ issued for hive rentals References: <3ac22c62.1115767348@news1.radix.net> <6jrw6.8931$9i1.729281@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 12:49:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.10.149.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.il.home.com 986734140 65.10.149.92 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:49:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:49:00 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29143 Mike Griggs wrote: > I work for USDA in Ithaca, and happen to be president of the local > beekeepers association and president of the EAS 2002 Conference to be > held here at Cornell. That Said, It bothers me that USDA is referenced > as a large amorphous organisation of individual that are so incrusted in > beurocracy as to impede every beekeepers initiative. > > We have potentials that some short term funded programs are unable to > tackle. I personally am working on developing fungal pathogens of > insects as alternatives to chemical insecticides but am working on > evaluating the potential effects of these "new" treatments on non-target > beneficials. > > OK more than you needed to know! This group who are hoping to > contract with a local beekeeper to save money as our money is quite > tight. Their mission is to maintain crop lineages in a seed gremplasm > and use the nucs to insure incrosing under screen tents to maintain the > seed crosses. This is real hard on the bees. It is something like bees > in a greenhouse only worse. I cautioned that it is going to be a tough > order to fill as the beekeeper will not make any honey and will need > additional hives to maintain a steady supply of nucs. > > > Mike > > In article <3AC259EA.DC89211B@raytheon.com>, Larry Farris > wrote: > > > http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi > > > > George Styer wrote: > > > > > For what purpose does the USDA want the nucs? I work for the USDA Argricultural Research Service, Dairy Forage Research Center. (damn, thats long :-) ) We have used bumble bees to pollinate our clover when it in the tents. I wonder if that would work for these people? I believe that they work better in the small spaces. Not sure, however, where to get them. I'm in the engineering end, not the plant breeding. Michael Boettcher Article 29144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Apr 2001 14:14:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Update my hive checking. Message-ID: <20010408101421.25041.00002863@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29144 Today was a nice day to check out the hive. A week ago(4-3-01) I lower a small super with crook combs below brood chamber and add new super above brood chamber which hopful they move it on up and also the queen and their worker crawing around on the brood combs with no eggs yet. Today, they have not bothering move the honey up above it. I when ahead move it back up above it. To my surprise, The brood combs ( 5 racks) already cap. Few drone cap above it and the rest are the worker. There were 6 or 7 small black beetle on the outside were crawing above the lid. Smash them all up. There were none coming from the hive. My guess is they must have flew up there from the ground. I'm going to sprink some Seven Five dust in a spot where all the dead bees and cover it up with dirt and that way those chem. stay underground. So, will see what happen next. Tim Article 29145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!spamfilter!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Lindhout" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Springtime chores Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:51:51 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.141.246.180 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 986741492 206.141.246.180 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:51:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:51:32 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29145 Spring is FINALLY breaking here in mid-MI and the bees are starting to fly. However, as always this time of year, there are no blossoms (the skunk cabbage is just now breaking ground), so the hives have pollen substitute, sugar syrup with Fumadil-B in division board feeders, and Terrimycin patties. This is my first spring with hives after a 10 year hiatus from the hobby, and there are a few things I just don't remember. This morning, the main question is this: When is the best time to reverse the supers on an over-wintered hive? What conditions do you look for to gauge it is time? Thanks in advance, Article 29146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Jennifer Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Washboarding, I think Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:41:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.20 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 986744496 205.232.94.20 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:41:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:41:36 EDT Organization: Northnet Internet Services (northnet.org) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29146 Greetings everyone :) Major lurker here, coming out of hiding briefly. I'm finally getting around to making own bee pages. Putting up some pics I took this past summer. One behavious my bees were doing, I *think* I correctly identified as washboarding. http://www.geocities.com/piercerb-jen/Bee/images/Image1b.jpg The bees in question came out of the hive and stayed like the above image showed for about 3 days. Their wings weren't moving, it just looked like they were sunning themselves all over the front of their hive. Many would go in during the night, but they all would be back out there during the day. Like I said, lasted about 3 days, and then they all went back in, and I never saw them doing it again the rest of the season. Any clues to if I was right in identifying this behaviour? I really was waiting for this hive to take off like the other did, but they never swarmed. Java http://www.geocities.com/piercerb-jen/Bee/ Article 29147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone3.rdc-detw.rr.com!news3.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: alt.beer.home-brewing,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.crafts.winemaking,news.groups Subject: New group: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 16:03:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 986745805 24.163.160.238 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:03:25 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:03:25 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:278 rec.food.historic:24645 rec.org.sca:317244 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29147 rec.crafts.brewing:259660 rec.crafts.winemaking:70537 news.groups:388126 This is the second notice that a new group has been created for mead makers. The name of the group is rec.crafts.meadmaking. This group was created March 22, 2001 so many newsfeeds now carry this group. The description and charter for rec.crafts.meadmaking is provided below: Newsgroups line: rec.crafts.meadmaking The art and lore of making mead. CHARTER: rec.crafts.meadmaking Rec.crafts.meadmaking is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the art of making mead. Appropriate topics of discussion include, but are not limited to, the mead making process, recipes, and the history and lore of mead making. This newsgroup is open for the discussion of all types of meads including melomel, metheglin, and braggot. Advertisements are discouraged, the only exception may be one's signature (.sig). Binary postings are discouraged except for small binaries such as PGP signatures. END CHARTER. Christopher Hadden Proponent - rec.crafts.meadmaking http://mead.contecrayon.com/resources/usenet.html chadden@contecrayon.com Article 29148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think Lines: 38 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:56:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 986752577 12.73.40.247 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:56:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:56:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29148 No, this is not washboarding, it is called bearding caused by either heat, congestion or both. I would say with 99% certainty that they did indeed swarm. You just were not around to see it. Was this last season? What time of year? Where are you located? How hot was it? Do you mark your queens? These are all questions to determine what really happened. Were you to take a good look in the hive you would probably have seen an abundance of sealed queen cells. Washboarding is a behavior of individual bees and is characterized by the bee rocking back and forth. It looks like they are polishing the surface of the hive with their abdomen. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jennifer Pierce" wrote in message news:QE%z6.1844$Uu6.173041@monger.newsread.com... > Greetings everyone :) > > Like I said, lasted about 3 days, and then they all went back in, and I > never saw them doing it again the rest of the season. > > Any clues to if I was right in identifying this behaviour? I really was > waiting for this hive to take off like the other did, but they never > swarmed. > > Java > http://www.geocities.com/piercerb-jen/Bee/ > > Article 29149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Springtime chores Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:08:46 -0700 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-56.reachone.com Message-ID: <3ad0a83a@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 8 Apr 2001 11:04:42 -0700, tc1-56.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nwnews.wa.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-56.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29149 Doug Lindhout > wrote in message ... > >This morning, the main question is this: When is the best time to reverse >the supers on an over-wintered hive? What conditions do you look for to >gauge it is time? As a novice with a bad memory, I just look for a warm day about a month and a half before the dandelions bloom. I figure that's a good time to treat for mites too and to start feeding. My aim is to get the numbers up by the time the main blooms (here in western WA it's fireweed & blackberries) are opening. As for feeding, I'm using empty cottage cheese containers with some holes in the lid turn upside down over the top of the frames. I also add fumadil to the sugar water, at least the first gallon of it. Article 29150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Apr 2001 19:37:11 GMT References: <9aljip$lrr$1@news.chatlink.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Message-ID: <20010408153711.14552.00000864@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29150 >You go tweaking on your excluder, and guess who's >gonna be up topside laying eggs again? Oh I know what you mean by tweaking it. I was not sure what the rasp is. New to me. Article 29151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.132!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Apr 2001 19:46:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Hive's for sell... Message-ID: <20010408154610.14552.00000865@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29151 Anyone here near Franklin Co, Bedford Co. Roanoke, Salem, Floyd, in Va. that would like to buying Hive with bees? Old fellow in Franklin Co. told me last night that he getting too old to handle it. Article 29152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!tethys.csu.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!Dakidd From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:43:42 -0700 Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 17 Sender: newservice@27-159.018.popsite.net Message-ID: <9aqihr$i4s$1@news.chatlink.com> References: <9aljip$lrr$1@news.chatlink.com> <20010408153711.14552.00000864@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 27-159.018.popsite.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 986762619 18588 216.126.139.159 (8 Apr 2001 20:43:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2001 20:43:39 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29152 In article <20010408153711.14552.00000864@ng-da1.aol.com>, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > >You go tweaking on your excluder, and guess who's > >gonna be up topside laying eggs again? > > Oh I know what you mean by tweaking it. I was not sure what the rasp is. New > to > me. Rasp = ultra-super-mega-coarse file. -- Don Bruder - Dakidd@aaahawk.com <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former (dakidd@primenet.com) address is now defunct. Mail sent to that address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Have a day... Article 29153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Jennifer Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think Lines: 72 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 00:54:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.51 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 986777640 205.232.94.51 (Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:54:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:54:00 EDT Organization: Northnet Internet Services (northnet.org) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29153 No indication of this hive swarming that I could tell. Yes, this was last season, oh, sometime in September, I believe. Located in Northern NY. It was probably around 60 degrees that day. Queen is marked, and as of when I closed the hives for the winter, she was still there. I watched the bees work their way back into the hive each night, and then come back out in the morning/afternoon. I do remember going into the hives around this time, as I was concerned about them swarming, didn't see queen cells (the peanut type looking ones, correct?). Didn't see swarm cells hanging down either. I definitely saw the other hive swarm, it was pretty neat to watch, and pretty frustrating to see them land so high up in the tree with no way to get to them. This hive, I'm fairly certain didn't swarm, as I had no difficulty finding that queen when I looked. The other hive, however, I never could find a queen in after they swarmed, although I'm sure there was one somewhere. After the other bees took off, the remaining bees were downright nasty, and taking time to do anything with them just ticked them off completely. The two hives were opposite in behaviour. This hive in the picture, I could work with just my gloves on, but I didn't dare even crack open the cover on the other one unless I was completely covered. Then again, I'm a novice at this, only started last June (when I was out sick from work), so I could be totally off base on this whole thing! *grin* Jen "George Styer" wrote in message news:5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > No, this is not washboarding, it is called bearding caused by either heat, > congestion or both. I would say with 99% certainty that they did indeed > swarm. You just were not around to see it. Was this last season? What time > of year? Where are you located? How hot was it? Do you mark your queens? > These are all questions to determine what really happened. > > Were you to take a good look in the hive you would probably have seen an > abundance of sealed queen cells. > > Washboarding is a behavior of individual bees and is characterized by the > bee rocking back and forth. It looks like they are polishing the surface of > the hive with their abdomen. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > "Jennifer Pierce" wrote in message > news:QE%z6.1844$Uu6.173041@monger.newsread.com... > > Greetings everyone :) > > > > Like I said, lasted about 3 days, and then they all went back in, and I > > never saw them doing it again the rest of the season. > > > > Any clues to if I was right in identifying this behaviour? I really was > > waiting for this hive to take off like the other did, but they never > > swarmed. > > > > Java > > http://www.geocities.com/piercerb-jen/Bee/ > > > > > > Article 29154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.58!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:05:00 -0500 Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <7rssctsf2dqks2vs1jl1m6ual39askpjuc@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 986778296 6951238 216.167.138.58 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29154 >in the Austin, TX area. It seems there have already been several >swarm calls coming into our beekeeping association. Interesting, I suppose global warming encourages these early swarms however, I was called out for an April swarm last year in Amarillo, Texas (Alt. 3600 ft. 1097 m.) and those bees are 'different' possibly Africanized. It has been suggested to me that possibly only a third of Africanized bees actually have the famous temperament. That may be so but it has also been suggested that perhaps hive SIZE contributes to the long range and unprovoked attacks. These bees do all have one thing in common and that's swarming and swarming a lot. The swarm I took from Amarillo, last year (in April) produced two more swarms that summer and this was not a good summer for bees to build up with the Spring being dry and the Summer continuing hot and dry, and we set a record for consecutive days over 100F, weather in which you would not expect bees to create the traditional hive conditions for swarming. It has been suggested again that these bees actually cover more ground (swarm more and go further) when the weather is hot and dry as opposed to ideal conditions where they tend to stay put and create LARGE and possibly dangerous hives, hence the stories of huge swarms under bridges in more tropical and sub tropical regions, like around Houston and parts of South Louisiana. Lastly you could I suppose have morphological determinations performed on members of these recent swarms. That would seem the scientific thing to do. Don't bother sending a sample to Texas A&M, my experience with the home of the State Entomologist is that they're completely useless. There's always the USDA currently consolidating it's bee labs into one at Weslaco, so they may be a bit backed up. Don't forget to ask them, who will pay for the test? C.K. p.s. The swarms from my original April swarm last year have survived a hard winter on meager stores. This is a different kind of bee than I've seen before (in 25 years) so anticipation is running high at Rancho Deluxe. (our humble prairie abode) Article 29155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.132!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Apr 2001 03:37:56 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think Message-ID: <20010408233756.20632.00002973@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29155 >pretty frustrating to see them land so high up in the tree with no way to >get to them. The is the reason I use 12ga. full choke to blow of the branch. Easy job. Article 29156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:47:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3ad1a0b2.1036276@news1.radix.net> References: <5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29156 On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 00:54:00 GMT, "Jennifer Pierce" wrote: > >I definitely saw the other hive swarm, it was pretty neat to watch, and >pretty frustrating to see them land so high up in the tree with no way to >get to them. This hive, I'm fairly certain didn't swarm, as I had no >difficulty finding that queen when I looked. The other hive, however, I >never could find a queen in after they swarmed, although I'm sure there was >one somewhere. After the other bees took off, the remaining bees were >downright nasty, and taking time to do anything with them just ticked them >off completely. You couldn't find the queen because they were queenless. The swarm leaves when the queencell is capped. The new queen emerges after the swarm leaves. This could also account for their temperment as well beekeep Article 29157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> From: "Dale A. Scheidler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:46:18 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.50 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 986827530 147.226.103.50 (Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:45:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:45:30 EST Organization: Ball St. U. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29157 I have always used only latex white paint for my hives, but am now repainting the bottom boards with a white oil based enamel containing no lead or mercury as per the label. Latex paint appears to do poorly on horizontal surfaces as the hive entrances had a lot of black stuff (fungal growth?) present on the old paint. It is my belief that enamel will provide a more effective barrier to the elements than latex (particularly on horizontal surfaces). Your thoughts? Dale, Indiana Article 29158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AD1DF60.67534974@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:12:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29158 Jennifer Pierce wrote: > > No indication of this hive swarming that I could tell. Yes, this was last > season, oh, sometime in September, I believe. Located in Northern NY. It > was probably around 60 degrees that day. Queen is marked, and as of when I > closed the hives for the winter, she was still there. I watched the bees > work their way back into the hive each night, and then come back out in the > morning/afternoon. > > I do remember going into the hives around this time, as I was concerned > about them swarming, didn't see queen cells (the peanut type looking ones, > correct?). Didn't see swarm cells hanging down either. > Last year my bees were feasting on a field of alfalfa that had bloomed but the farmer couldn't cut because the field was too wet. When he finally did cut the field I noticed a lot of foragers bearding around the hives for a few days afterward. Seems they were trying to figure out what to do next. Perhaps this was the situation with yours. Any cultivated alfalfa nearby? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jim Buttitta Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Message-ID: <89t3dtosho9h8vt8rcqdgi0a31nnthbg00@4ax.com> References: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:48:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.52.79.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 986838534 63.52.79.46 (Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:48:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:48:54 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29159 On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:46:18 -0500, "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: >I have always used only latex white paint for my hives, but am now >repainting the bottom boards with a white oil based enamel containing no >lead or mercury as per the label. Latex paint appears to do poorly on >horizontal surfaces as the hive entrances had a lot of black stuff >(fungal growth?) present on the old paint. It is my belief that enamel >will provide a more effective barrier to the elements than latex >(particularly on horizontal surfaces). Your thoughts? >Dale, Indiana I certainly hope enamel is okay. I am new to beekeeping and I am awaiting delivery of my hive bodies at this time. I know I will need to paint them, but latex paint is out. I am allergic to latex. I was also considering using spar varnish. Would that be okay? Any suggestions would be appreciated Thanks, Jim Article 29160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:00:37 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> <89t3dtosho9h8vt8rcqdgi0a31nnthbg00@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 56 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29160 Most anything that is non-toxic to the bees and protects the wood from the elements should be fine. It is pretty much personal preference. A couple of notes though: Dale you said you use only white paint ... it has been suggested, and many in our association have been painting, any color but white in an attempt to discourage bees drifting from one hive to another. White is fine and traditional, but painting a variety of light colors "they" say is better. Going along with that, and something I may try myself, is what Jim was saying about just using a clear finish or something that keeps the wood grain finish. Again, it is mostly personal preference. Some people say just to get the cheapest paint you can get ... after all it is just a house for insects. Others, myself included, are of the mind to use good quality paint in an effort to reduce the yearly maintenance of the woodware. What I have found works well, since I don't care to spend a lot of money on paint, is to go to Home Depot or some other home or paint store, and buy the best quality of paint in colors that they have mixed wrong! They usually have a spot where they put this paint, and they have it marked WAY down. I recently bought a $20 gallon of paint for $7. It is a tannish brown color, but who cares? The bees certainly don't. The other thing to note is that it is not necessary to paint the inside of the woodware. The bees will propalise the inside and basically seal it. Some people do paint it I guess, but I think it is better all around not to do it. Better for the bees, better for our pocketbooks! I do however paint the landing board ... just the part exposed to the weather. Just my opinions .... Charles "Jim Buttitta" wrote in message news:89t3dtosho9h8vt8rcqdgi0a31nnthbg00@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:46:18 -0500, "Dale A. Scheidler" > wrote: > > >I have always used only latex white paint for my hives, but am now > >repainting the bottom boards with a white oil based enamel containing no > >lead or mercury as per the label. Latex paint appears to do poorly on > >horizontal surfaces as the hive entrances had a lot of black stuff > >(fungal growth?) present on the old paint. It is my belief that enamel > >will provide a more effective barrier to the elements than latex > >(particularly on horizontal surfaces). Your thoughts? > >Dale, Indiana > > I certainly hope enamel is okay. I am new to beekeeping and I am > awaiting delivery of my hive bodies at this time. I know I will need > to paint them, but latex paint is out. I am allergic to latex. I was > also considering using spar varnish. Would that be okay? Any > suggestions would be appreciated > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > Article 29161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Apr 2001 19:08:42 GMT References: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Message-ID: <20010409150842.19811.00003147@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29161 >Latex paint appears to do poorly on >horizontal surfaces as the hive entrances had a lot of black stuff >(fungal growth? To prevent fungal growing, I mix a Mildewcide Additive which Proven Mildew Control for all Paints and Stains. Get them at Walmart, Lowes and Homedepot. It works. Article 29162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9aljip$lrr$1@news.chatlink.com> <20010408153711.14552.00000864@ng-da1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:19:50 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.132.7 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 986843992 212.137.132.7 (Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:19:52 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:19:52 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29162 Anyone else having difficulty understanding this? "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20010408153711.14552.00000864@ng-da1.aol.com... > >You go tweaking on your excluder, and guess who's > >gonna be up topside laying eggs again? > > Oh I know what you mean by tweaking it. I was not sure what the rasp is. New to > me. Article 29163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Jennifer Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3ad1a0b2.1036276@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:41:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.38 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 986845290 205.232.94.38 (Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:41:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:41:30 EDT Organization: Northnet Internet Services (northnet.org) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29163 Mm, yeah, I should have clarified myself more... I started looking for a new queen about 2 weeks or so after they swarmed, hoping they would raise one. Due to the temperament of the hive, I was never able to get in there long enough to look for a queen. Here's a question, though. Can a queenless hive make it through the winter? Hope that's not a silly question. It was fairly later in the season, and it's not unusual for us to get snow here in October (northern NY), so I kind of left that swarmed hive to its own, and hoped they would raise a new queen. Jen "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ad1a0b2.1036276@news1.radix.net... > On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 00:54:00 GMT, "Jennifer Pierce" > wrote: > > > > > >I definitely saw the other hive swarm, it was pretty neat to watch, and > >pretty frustrating to see them land so high up in the tree with no way to > >get to them. This hive, I'm fairly certain didn't swarm, as I had no > >difficulty finding that queen when I looked. The other hive, however, I > >never could find a queen in after they swarmed, although I'm sure there was > >one somewhere. After the other bees took off, the remaining bees were > >downright nasty, and taking time to do anything with them just ticked them > >off completely. > > You couldn't find the queen because they were queenless. The swarm > leaves when the queencell is capped. The new queen emerges after the > swarm leaves. This could also account for their temperment as well > > beekeep > Article 29164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Jennifer Pierce" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3AD1DF60.67534974@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:43:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.38 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 986845412 205.232.94.38 (Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:43:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:43:32 EDT Organization: Northnet Internet Services (northnet.org) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29164 Actually, there is. My father-in-law raises sheep and goats just over the hill (and through the forest *grin*) from where my bees are. If the hill and woods weren't there, I could see the fields from my hives. Interesting possibility. Think I can stop him from cutting it this year? Jen > Last year my bees were feasting on a field of alfalfa that had bloomed > but the farmer couldn't cut because the field was too wet. When he > finally did cut the field I noticed a lot of foragers bearding around > the hives for a few days afterward. Seems they were trying to figure out > what to do next. Perhaps this was the situation with yours. Any > cultivated alfalfa nearby? > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:13:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3ad1a0b2.1036276@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 54 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29165 Depending on the circumstances it might be possible for a queenless hive to survive winter, but it would be impossible for them to raise a new queen without eggs to raise from. No queen, no viable eggs. I say viable, because some of the workers may start laying, but they will raise nothing but drones! "Jennifer Pierce" wrote in message news:KfoA6.1971$Uu6.191660@monger.newsread.com... > Mm, yeah, I should have clarified myself more... I started looking for a > new queen about 2 weeks or so after they swarmed, > hoping they would raise one. Due to the temperament of the hive, I was > never able to get in there long enough to look for a > queen. Here's a question, though. Can a queenless hive make it through the > winter? Hope that's not a silly question. It was > fairly later in the season, and it's not unusual for us to get snow here in > October (northern NY), so I kind of left that swarmed > hive to its own, and hoped they would raise a new queen. > > Jen > > > "beekeep" wrote in message > news:3ad1a0b2.1036276@news1.radix.net... > > On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 00:54:00 GMT, "Jennifer Pierce" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I definitely saw the other hive swarm, it was pretty neat to watch, and > > >pretty frustrating to see them land so high up in the tree with no way to > > >get to them. This hive, I'm fairly certain didn't swarm, as I had no > > >difficulty finding that queen when I looked. The other hive, however, I > > >never could find a queen in after they swarmed, although I'm sure there > was > > >one somewhere. After the other bees took off, the remaining bees were > > >downright nasty, and taking time to do anything with them just ticked > them > > >off completely. > > > > You couldn't find the queen because they were queenless. The swarm > > leaves when the queencell is capped. The new queen emerges after the > > swarm leaves. This could also account for their temperment as well > > > > beekeep > > > > Article 29166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:32:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 84 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29166 Well, I checked out the hived swarm yesterday and all was going very well. If I have foundation that needs to be drawn, I always use swarms for this purpose, as that is what swarms instinctively want to do. That was the case with this one. I put in one frame of drawn comb in the middle of the box to give them a good starting point and filled the rest with foundation. They have gone to work! In four days, almost half of the frames have been drawn! Although it is odd, the drawn frame I gave them to start is now full of sugar syrup and they are starting their brood rearing in the freshly drawn comb. I figured they would immediately use the predrawn comb. I have read several places that bees are drawn to old comb. They say when putting out a "bait hive", that you should use the darkest comb you can find to attract the bees. Anybody else have any experiences along these lines? "CharlesW" wrote in message news:tcrk00kh62sab9@corp.supernews.com... > Hello fellow beekeeps, > > I had an interesting evening the other day! I have had my indoor > observation > hive going now for about 8 months. This spring I was facinated to watch as > the population exploded, queen cells were constructed and all the activities > that take place in the springtime. I was greatly looking forward to watching > them prepare for swarming. After the queen cells were capped, I had planned > to count days and start setting up a video camera to record the actual swarm > as it happened. I wanted to see all the activities leading to a swarm ... > As it turns out, I did get to see all those activities, but I did not know > what I was looking at. The last few days there was a pretty good beard > hanging outside my window, where the hive entrance is located. I knew they > would swarm soon, but I thought they would wait until a new queen was ready > to take over. I was home for lunch and all seemed well, but when I > came home last night the beard was gone and the hive had just enough bees to > care for the remaining brood ... I knew they had swarmed, and I hoped they > were still in the area so I could retrieve them. The hive had become so > overcrowded, that it swarmed even before the queen cells were capped. > I went outside to look for them, and sure enough (luckily), they were in > the tree outside the back door. Unfortunately, they were about 20' up! I > walked around and pondered the situation for 15 minutes. Finally, I borrowed > the neighbor's extension ladder and set it up in the back of my truck to get > almost to them, but not quite. So I rearranged a little and set a hive box, > as close as I could estimate, right under the mass of bees. I went up the > ladder, braced myself, and shook the branch sharply. A large number of them > fell in the grass right in front of the hive, and I hoped the queen was > among them. Soon they started filing in like an army on the march. Many had > taken to the air, and many were going back the the branch where they had > been, so I shook the branch a couple more times. I would say that within 30 > minutes, the vast majority had entered the new hive box, and a few actually > went back to the observation hive. > Well, when it was all said and done, I'm quite certain the queen has > entered the new hive as they seem to be setting up housekeeping quite > nicely. I'll give them a few days and then assure the queen is present, but > I'm betting all is well. > As for the observation hive, I have verified that there are at least three > of the queen cells that have larve in them, so it should not be queenless > for more than a week and half of so. I continue to look forward to seeing > this cycle as a new queen starts her reign. An observation hive is > invaluable for anyone who really wants to get to know their bees, and I > highly recommend them! > Great fun! > > Thanks for reading! > Charles > > > > Article 29167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!osa.uu.net!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AD220B5.80C5C8F4@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3AD1DF60.67534974@nospam.boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:51:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29167 Jennifer Pierce wrote: > > Actually, there is. My father-in-law raises sheep and goats just over the > hill (and through the forest *grin*) from where my bees are. If the hill > and woods weren't there, I could see the fields from my hives. Interesting > possibility. Think I can stop him from cutting it this year? > Probably not. They are actually supposed to cut it just prior to bloom - something about it having peak protien content at that time. Assuming they are raising it for livestock feed. This is one of those areas where the interests of farmers and beekeepers diverge. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:42:10 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3ad239c3.40221584@news1.radix.net> References: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29168 On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:46:18 -0500, "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: >I have always used only latex white paint for my hives, but am now >repainting the bottom boards with a white oil based enamel containing no >lead or mercury as per the label. Latex paint appears to do poorly on >horizontal surfaces as the hive entrances had a lot of black stuff >(fungal growth?) present on the old paint. It is my belief that enamel >will provide a more effective barrier to the elements than latex >(particularly on horizontal surfaces). Your thoughts? >Dale, Indiana > I use DURA CLAD. This is a $30.00/gal industrial coating made by Duron. I buy the mismatched stuff that is $5.00 a gal or $2.00 a quart. I pick the lighter colors as a rule and even mix some of them together. Different colors look like hell but who is going to steal a pink and green beehive? The bees like different colors and it helps to keep down the drifting. beekeep Article 29169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:43:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3ad23adb.40502047@news1.radix.net> References: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> <3ad239c3.40221584@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29169 On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:42:10 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:46:18 -0500, "Dale A. Scheidler" > wrote: > >>I have always used only latex white paint for my hives, but am now >>repainting the bottom boards with a white oil based enamel containing no >>lead or mercury as per the label. Latex paint appears to do poorly on >>horizontal surfaces as the hive entrances had a lot of black stuff >>(fungal growth?) present on the old paint. It is my belief that enamel >>will provide a more effective barrier to the elements than latex >>(particularly on horizontal surfaces). Your thoughts? >>Dale, Indiana >> >I use DURA CLAD. This is a $30.00/gal industrial coating made by >Duron. I buy the mismatched stuff that is $5.00 a gal or $2.00 a >quart. I pick the lighter colors as a rule and even mix some of them >together. Different colors look like hell but who is going to steal a >pink and green beehive? The bees like different colors and it helps >to keep down the drifting. > >beekeep > A good primer is essential to getting the paint job to last as well. beekeep Article 29170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Public Spy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:12:04 +0100 Organization: M I 5¾ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9atfn6$lnf$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> <3ad239c3.40221584@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: "Public Spy" NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-319.anchovy.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 986858022 22255 217.134.1.63 (9 Apr 2001 23:13:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2001 23:13:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29170 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ad239c3.40221584@news1.radix.net... > On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:46:18 -0500, "Dale A. Scheidler" > wrote: > > >I have always used only latex white paint for my hives, but am now ........................... > pink and green beehive? The bees like different colors and it helps > to keep down the drifting. Yes it is of course true that bees differentiate between colours, and I suggest going even futher, have different coloured hives for each colony. When the bees return from a foray, they will easily recognise thier own hive from a long way off. Another tip is to make sure that there is a large landmark, such as a prominant tree, rock, or even a telegraph pole near the hives, as the bees will use this to orient themselves. ...........John Article 29171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD2E71C.C4CEE5AC@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives References: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> <89t3dtosho9h8vt8rcqdgi0a31nnthbg00@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:57:32 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 986899943 206.231.24.53 (Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:52:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:52:23 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29171 Why not use a solution of copper napthanate and low odor mineral spirits. Dip the hive body, and let it air out for a month or so. Mann Lake sells it. Mix it 6 to 1. Jim Buttitta wrote: > I certainly hope enamel is okay. I am new to beekeeping and I am > awaiting delivery of my hive bodies at this time. I know I will need > to paint them, but latex paint is out. I am allergic to latex. I was > also considering using spar varnish. Would that be okay? Any > suggestions would be appreciated > > Thanks, > > Jim Article 29172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Apr 2001 11:58:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Big Johnson are you here? Message-ID: <20010410075824.19062.00006183@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29172 Seems I had some similar results with the formic in a couple beeyards. Article 29173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early Swarm Story Date: 10 Apr 2001 12:57:33 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9auvvt$g29$0@63.68.71.166> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.71.166 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29173 On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:32:01 -0500, "CharlesW" wrote: >Well, I checked out the hived swarm yesterday and all was going very well. > If I have foundation that needs to be drawn, I always use swarms for this >purpose, as that is what swarms instinctively want to do. > That was the case with this one. I put in one frame of drawn comb in the >middle of the box to give them a good starting point and filled the rest >with foundation. They have gone to work! In four days, almost half of the >frames have been drawn! Although it is odd, the drawn frame I gave them to >start is now full of sugar syrup and they are starting their brood rearing >in the freshly drawn comb. I figured they would immediately use the predrawn >comb. I have read several places that bees are drawn to old comb. They say >when putting out a "bait hive", that you should use the darkest comb you can >find to attract the bees. >Anybody else have any experiences along these lines? > It might be possible that the queen did not start laying immediately, thus they filled the available comb, and when she started laying only new comb was available? -Tim Article 29174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD2E7F5.A1C43D7C@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives References: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:01:09 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 986900160 206.231.24.53 (Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:56:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:56:00 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29174 Use Copper Napthanate solution. Mix with low odor mineral spirits 3 to 1 for ground contact, or 6 to 1 for supers and covers. I've used it, and it seems to work well. Items dipped must be aired out for a month or so. Can't see it effecting the bes at all. Dale A. Scheidler wrote: > I have always used only latex white paint for my hives, but am now > repainting the bottom boards with a white oil based enamel containing no > lead or mercury as per the label. Latex paint appears to do poorly on > horizontal surfaces as the hive entrances had a lot of black stuff > (fungal growth?) present on the old paint. It is my belief that enamel > will provide a more effective barrier to the elements than latex > (particularly on horizontal surfaces). Your thoughts? > Dale, Indiana Article 29175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5D1A6.16212$rk4.1102128@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3ad1a0b2.1036276@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Washboarding, I think Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:37:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.189.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 986913441 24.91.189.110 (Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:37:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:37:21 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29175 "Jennifer Pierce" wrote in message news:KfoA6.1971$Uu6.191660@monger.newsread.com... > Mm, yeah, I should have clarified myself more... I started looking for a > new queen about 2 weeks or so after they swarmed, > hoping they would raise one. Due to the temperament of the hive, I was > never able to get in there long enough to look for a > queen. Here's a question, though. Can a queenless hive make it through the > winter? Hope that's not a silly question. Not silly at all... I have a colony that went queenless through this winter (at least part of it). I discovered it yesterday - no brood of any stage, anywhere. It was the only colony not bringing in pollen yesterday. Other than that, plenty of bees. I united it with a weaker queenright colony. My colony was easily agitated (they "growled" a lot ;-) but not overly defensive. I have had a queenless colony get really nasty... unfortunately, you have no choice but to put your armor on ;-) get in there and fix the problem. In northern NY, you probably don't have any drones yet, so dropping a frame of brood in probably won't help you much. I'd order a new queen ASAP if you don't have another colony to combine them with. -Steve Article 29176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!iquest!news1.iquest.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD33D50.4BDE9184@iquest.net> From: mb Organization: Mgr., Applied Mechanics/IMMI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: reversal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:05:20 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.236.162 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@iquest.net X-Trace: news1.iquest.net 986915409 204.95.236.162 (Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:10:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:10:09 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29176 I reversed my hives over the weekend, but I think I may have messed up one of them. It was a hive made up of, from bottom to top, a 1) 9-5/8 deep hive body, 2) another 9-5/8, then 3) a 6-5/8 super. I had intended to reverse this order to (again, counting from bottom to top), 3-2-1 . Well, I was distracted by a rat and its nest under the bottom board when I picked it up the board to clean it. In the processing of chasing down the mother rat and stomping as many of the scattering babies I could find, I forgot which supers and hive bodies were which (I foolishly forgot to mark them). I think I may have ended up re-assemling the hive in the order 3-1-2, counting from the bottom. Is this a grievous mistake, or will my bees forgive me? Should I just leave well enough alone? Article 29177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!TDC-Europe.POSTED!ip19.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software update Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:32:37 +0200 Organization: Posted through some European Outpost of TDC Internet A/S Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9avq4u$mp5$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip19.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 986934238 23333 195.249.242.19 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29177 -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 29178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD3757E.E13374E7@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversal References: <3AD33D50.4BDE9184@iquest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 60 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:05:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 986936734 147.25.198.43 (Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:05:34 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:05:34 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29178 Here's my observations (for what their worth). First and foremost (and this is not directed at you personally, mb) when anyone posts a question, it would help greatly if you stated WHERE your bees are located...at least generally, as in what state or region of the country. News groups are read by people all over the world (not *just* America). A few years ago, I watched an exchange take place in this very beekeeping newsgroup and the confusion was hilarious (at least to me, but then again, I've got kind of a 'warped' sense of humor). A guy on the east coast (New Jersey, as I recall) was trying to answer some other person's question about how to do something. Well, I could see the guy asking the question was from Australia (by the ending extension on his email) and apparently the guy from the northeast didn't know about that. So while one person's bees were heading into the Fall/Winter, the other person's bees were heading toward Spring/Summer. The answers given (while meant to be helpful) were pretty worthless and confusing to the other beekeeper. And just a couple of years ago, I had a "northern" (U.S.) beekeeper tell me how bad it was to heat honey above 90 deg F! Well.....OBVIOUSLY he had never extracted honey in August in TEXAS! ::::grin:::: Now mb, a little more direct answer to your question. Again, since you don't say where you're located I can only give you my generalized answer. First, why do you need that "extra" 6-5/8 super as part of the brood nest? I'm guessing that you must live "up north" were the bees need that extra super of honey to survive the Winter. Otherwise, in most of the South, the bees can live through the Winter on two well stocked 9-5/8 brood boxes. Thus, the reversal is simply to switch them around (so box #3 doesn't enter the equation). It should also be fairly easy to distinguish between which one was box #1 and which was box #2 by their weight. The Winter cluster tends to move in an upward direction so the bottom box should have been considerably lighter since the bees would have eaten the honey stores in that box almost completely. Of course, this is the very reason for reversing the boxes to begin with. When you reverse the boxes, the queen will be placed back in the bottom of the hive and the brood box above (being virtually empty) will provide her with ample space to lay eggs and for the bees to store new nectar and pollen to rear the brood. You should also note that many beekeepers see no reason to do this reversing (they see it as being unnecessary). I personally, do reverse, but I can't offer a strong defense of why I do it! (I've just always done it as part of my Spring hive cleaning). The amazing thing about bees is that they frequently ARE very tolerant of new beekeeper mistakes... your bees should do fine (either because of your great management skills....or in spite of them!). Good luck. Article 29179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!iquest!news1.iquest.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD39231.53B3412D@iquest.net> From: mb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversal References: <3AD33D50.4BDE9184@iquest.net> <3AD3757E.E13374E7@raytheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 74 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:07:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.95.236.162 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@iquest.net X-Trace: news1.iquest.net 986937132 204.95.236.162 (Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:12:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:12:12 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29179 Larry Farris wrote: > Here's my observations (for what their worth). > > First and foremost (and this is not directed at you > personally, mb) when anyone posts a question, it > would help greatly if you stated WHERE your bees > are located...at least generally, as in what state or > region of the country. News groups are read by > people all over the world (not *just* America). A > few years ago, I watched an exchange take place > in this very beekeeping newsgroup and the confusion > was hilarious (at least to me, but then again, I've got > kind of a 'warped' sense of humor). A guy on the > east coast (New Jersey, as I recall) was trying to > answer some other person's question about how > to do something. Well, I could see the guy asking > the question was from Australia (by the ending extension > on his email) and apparently the guy from the northeast > didn't know about that. So while one person's bees > were heading into the Fall/Winter, the other person's > bees were heading toward Spring/Summer. The > answers given (while meant to be helpful) were pretty > worthless and confusing to the other beekeeper. And > just a couple of years ago, I had a "northern" (U.S.) beekeeper > tell me how bad it was to heat honey above 90 deg F! > Well.....OBVIOUSLY he had never extracted honey > in August in TEXAS! ::::grin:::: > > Now mb, a little more direct answer to your question. > Again, since you don't say where you're located I can > only give you my generalized answer. First, why do > you need that "extra" 6-5/8 super as part of the brood > nest? I'm guessing that you must live "up north" were > the bees need that extra super of honey to survive the > Winter. Otherwise, in most of the South, the bees can > live through the Winter on two well stocked 9-5/8 brood > boxes. Thus, the reversal is simply to switch them around > (so box #3 doesn't enter the equation). It should also > be fairly easy to distinguish between which one was box > #1 and which was box #2 by their weight. The Winter > cluster tends to move in an upward direction so the bottom > box should have been considerably lighter since the bees > would have eaten the honey stores in that box almost > completely. Of course, this is the very reason for reversing > the boxes to begin with. When you reverse the boxes, the > queen will be placed back in the bottom of the hive and > the brood box above (being virtually empty) will provide > her with ample space to lay eggs and for the bees to > store new nectar and pollen to rear the brood. > > You should also note that many beekeepers see no > reason to do this reversing (they see it as being unnecessary). > I personally, do reverse, but I can't offer a strong defense > of why I do it! (I've just always done it as part of my > Spring hive cleaning). The amazing thing about bees is > that they frequently ARE very tolerant of new beekeeper > mistakes... your bees should do fine (either because of > your great management skills....or in spite of them!). > Good luck. Larry, You're right. I should have said that these hives are located in northern Indiana. The "extra" 6-5/8 super was there because I understood at one time that the bees may need it in our winters. I thought maybe I could tell by the weight difference which box was which at the time, but I really couldn't tell any difference by picking them up at the time---maybe one reason why it shouldn't may not make any difference which one is where in the stack now. Thanks. MB Article 29180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!TDC-Europe.POSTED!ip84.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversal Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:40:15 +0200 Organization: Posted through some European Outpost of TDC Internet A/S Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9b01ka$ou6$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <3AD33D50.4BDE9184@iquest.net> <3AD3757E.E13374E7@raytheon.com> <3AD39231.53B3412D@iquest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip84.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 986941898 25542 195.215.97.84 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29180 Well here in my apiary (Denmark) I use to remove the buttom brood box and place a new brood box on top of the remaining brood box seperated with a peace of newspaper so that the bees will get to the new box when they need it. I remove the box because I want no more than two years old wx in the hive for preventing a lot of fight with disease. By the way I am using ten frames Langstroth and my bees are wintering on twenty frames. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 10-04-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 29181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!falcon.america.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-003cocsprp015.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cut Comb Advice, Please? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:38:16 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.17 X-Server-Date: 10 Apr 2001 23:34:23 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29181 Can anyone provide some guidance to a novice on producing cut comb honey? I tried, once last summer, to put in some was foundation into a medium super, but the foundation just melted so much that it bent & bowed & wasn't much use. If you want to chat here that's fine, or we can e-mail, or I can call ya up at yer convenience. Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Apr 2001 23:28:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: SWARM?? Message-ID: <20010410192834.07883.00002804@ng-ma1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29182 We observed a rather curious "swarm" today. At least I believe thats what happened. About noon, my wife observed a small tree about 20 yards from the hives we have, covered with bees for about 3 feet up and down the tree trunk. She deftly got out the NUC and begain to put the bees in it. Once the majority of bees were in, she then put the cover on and let the rest wander into the hive. However this evening, when I got home to check things, the NUC was empty. Any ideas? TIM MORRIS 1st Year Beekeeper Article 29183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-003cocsprp015.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First Spring Check Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:36:22 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.17 X-Server-Date: 10 Apr 2001 23:32:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29183 Greetings, all, from Colorado Springs! Sunday was a wonderfully warm day here in COS, with many bees coming and going from our backyard hive, and many of those returning with pollen sacks stuffed to the gills (if one's allowed to say that about bees). I decided it was time to reverse the boxes, put in the Apistan (mebbe I'm a bit late in doing this?), clean things up a bit, and generally get a feel for how the girls are doing. What I found was a VERY heavy top box, and it was full of capped brood, newly laid eggs, pollen, and honey. The frames looked a helluva lot what THaTHB sez they should look like. What a thill! Last year, about this time, I opened the hive and found very, very few bees, no queen, no brood, and Varroa mites. After treating for the mites, we put in a small swarm and bought a new queen, hoping for the best. This year, my wife was about to tape my mouth shut because I wouldn't stop talking about how healthy the hive is and how much honey we'll get out this year. :) So... this is all just posted in the interest of sharing our good fortune and the good health of our one hive, in our backyard. Best of luck to all- -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-003cocsprp015.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversal Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:41:42 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3AD33D50.4BDE9184@iquest.net> <3AD3757E.E13374E7@raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.17 X-Server-Date: 10 Apr 2001 23:37:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29184 > > I personally, do reverse, but I can't offer a strong defense > of why I do it! (I've just always done it as part of my > Spring hive cleaning). THaTHB sez it is the best overall protection against swarming. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SWARM?? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:37:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AD39954.815D563F@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20010410192834.07883.00002804@ng-ma1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29185 Howdy Tim -- The best likelihood is that a young (supercedure of afterswarm) queen went out a courting and a group of bees followed along. When she returned to the hive, they followed her back home. Maybe they were giving her moral support or protection ? Pete *************************** MORRISTH wrote: > We observed a rather curious "swarm" today. At least I believe thats what > happened. About noon, my wife observed a small tree about 20 yards from the > hives we have, covered with bees for about 3 feet up and down the tree trunk. > She deftly got out the NUC and begain to put the bees in it. Once the majority > of bees were in, she then put the cover on and let the rest wander into the > hive. However this evening, when I got home to check things, the NUC was > empty. Any ideas? > > TIM MORRIS > 1st Year Beekeeper Article 29186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD3A461.43DF2C2D@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives References: <3AD1CB39.E2EBA7F5@bsu.edu> <3AD2E7F5.A1C43D7C@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Trace: /Kp2luvJ+nuPDUssXMzro5MqXwusCAJUuYEM3lU7xVBQL4hW4Hnu1hQvHBsipMuvpUkDaGVJgA9a!lDtf9KYICyDK5mJ4kSmjfkVLzN6LEjhgIdCqwhhUhGDLhmnNa3frGHoY8ECAQw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:26:03 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:26:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29186 Too hell with paint period. I got tired of priming then painting my hive bodied and honey supers. I now paint with an exterior oil based house stain made by Cabot. It's tint able and my painting time is cut in half. By the way my preferred color is lime green. michael palmer wrote: > Use Copper Napthanate solution. Mix with low odor mineral spirits 3 to 1 for > ground contact, or 6 to 1 for supers and covers. I've used it, and it seems > to work well. Items dipped must be aired out for a month or so. Can't see it > effecting the bes at all. > > Dale A. Scheidler wrote: > > > I have always used only latex white paint for my hives, but am now > > repainting the bottom boards with a white oil based enamel containing no > > lead or mercury as per the label. Latex paint appears to do poorly on > > horizontal surfaces as the hive entrances had a lot of black stuff > > (fungal growth?) present on the old paint. It is my belief that enamel > > will provide a more effective barrier to the elements than latex > > (particularly on horizontal surfaces). Your thoughts? > > Dale, Indiana Article 29187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD3A330.D1529378@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversal References: <3AD33D50.4BDE9184@iquest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Trace: /Kp2luvJ+nuPCh3pF5XplazoqQUJ0/aU9k7cMPU5QdME9Xv7OPFh0B7KXSnzW/gV6lEyXg0TsJ1m!54/+c99YV/op4HbZVY6gY7eccMMiAB9rB9F+zNw7cGxU5wQcj17SH8f8YJhucA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:20:57 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:20:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29187 I think I would leave it alone for a week or so. When the temp is above 70 again then I would inspect my hives. At that time you can correct your mistake which I see as no mistake as long as the hive body with larvae and brood was put on the bottom and the others were empty and put on top. What part of northern Indiana are you located? I too am in northern Indiana. The Valparaiso area to be exact. Chad mb wrote: > I reversed my hives over the weekend, but I think I may have messed up > one of them. It was a hive made up of, from bottom to top, a 1) 9-5/8 > deep hive body, 2) another 9-5/8, then 3) a 6-5/8 super. I had intended > to reverse this order to (again, counting from bottom to top), 3-2-1 . > Well, I was distracted by a rat and its nest under the bottom board when > I picked it up the board to clean it. In the processing of chasing down > the mother rat and stomping as many of the scattering babies I could > find, I forgot which supers and hive bodies were which (I foolishly > forgot to mark them). I think I may have ended up re-assemling the hive > in the order 3-1-2, counting from the bottom. > Is this a grievous mistake, or will my bees forgive me? Should I > just leave well enough alone? Article 29188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cut Comb Advice, Please? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:22:48 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AD3B1E8.C5890A4D@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29188 Hi Stretch, I've found that I need 2 things in order to make good cut comb. You need a good strong hive and a good strong flow. I've found my notes to be invaluable for that. If you put the thin wax in with out any regard for the timing, it will sit there until the bees need it. With the heat of the summer it will bend. I even ventilate the hives and it will still do it. Just finished my spring check out/cleanup. No losses, some weaker then others. But all flying and starting to bring in the first pollen. It takes a bit of time but I think it's a good investment. Kent Steinburg S.E. Ontario, Canada Article 29189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cut Comb Advice, Please? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:34:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AD3A698.AD7A415@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29189 Howdy Stretch -- It is more trouble to do so, but you can use two horizontal wires to support the thin fragile foundation. When taken out to use, the wire is cut or broken on the outside of the end bars. The wires can be easily pulled through the comb of honey without disturbing the surface of the comb. Pete ****************** Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > Can anyone provide some guidance to a novice on producing cut comb honey? > > I tried, once last summer, to put in some was foundation into a medium > super, but the foundation just melted so much that it bent & bowed & > wasn't much use. > > If you want to chat here that's fine, or we can e-mail, or I can call ya > up at yer convenience. > > Thanks. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!spamfilter!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Lindhout" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ad0a83a@news.turbotek.net> Subject: Re: Springtime chores Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:37:42 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.141.246.226 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 986956653 206.141.246.226 (Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:37:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:37:33 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29190 That seems easy enough, maybe I'll start in on that this coming weekend (or maybe I'll go fishing...the steelhead are running hard right now). Anyway, thanks for your help and advice. "K Adney" wrote in message news:3ad0a83a@news.turbotek.net... > > Doug Lindhout > wrote in message ... > > > >This morning, the main question is this: When is the best time to reverse > >the supers on an over-wintered hive? What conditions do you look for to > >gauge it is time? > > As a novice with a bad memory, I just look for a warm day about a month and > a half before the dandelions bloom. I figure that's a good time to treat > for mites too and to start feeding. My aim is to get the numbers up by the > time the main blooms (here in western WA it's fireweed & blackberries) are > opening. As for feeding, I'm using empty cottage cheese containers with > some holes in the lid turn upside down over the top of the frames. I also > add fumadil to the sugar water, at least the first gallon of it. > > Article 29191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring feeding Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:57:09 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9b0jia$pvd$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.1a.28 X-Server-Date: 11 Apr 2001 03:37:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29191 Hello All I am in the Middle Georgia area. How long should I feed the bees in the spring? I have been feeding for about 2 weeks now. I notice that there seems to be a lot of brood. My second package of bees arrived on Saturday and so far they seem to be doing OK. There seem to be several different worker colour paterns and some seem to be larger than others. The drones are the same way some are almost black and some are banded. Is this because package bees are collected from several hives? David Article 29192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dadant now shipping Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:04:10 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYoAgmnsiRf7GM/9jKCjsWhy7JEG7CkkA8MJoctz11HgSvKLEFmRUqV X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Apr 2001 05:05:27 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29192 Dadant has just finished their tooling for the 4.9 mm foundation and is now able to start shipping. More at: http://www.beesource.com/dadant/index.htm -Barry Article 29214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Apr 2001 11:38:44 GMT References: <3AD50D59.79817975@mail.tqci.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetles in package bees Message-ID: <20010412073844.03914.00002585@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29214 Where did you get your bees from ?? Article 29215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cut Comb Advice, Please? Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:05:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3ad5992a.261253542@news1.radix.net> References: <3ad44b5f.175803604@news1.radix.net> <3AD47480.AB5F6A2D@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29215 On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:13:04 GMT, "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: >beekeep wrote: >> >> You can try this. When the honey flow is on, take a strong colony and >> shake it down onto a hive made of 4 shallow supers. Confine the queen >> to the bottom super with a queen excluder. With no brood to feed they >> will put up an enormous amount fo honey in a very short period of >> time. I have had hives say "to hell with this" and abscound as well. >> It usually does work and makes beautiful comb honey. >> >> beekeep > >So what's in the three shallows above the excluder? Comb foundation? YES >Does the bottom box have drawn comb? NO - foundation only - you want to eliminate all the brood you can. Feeding brood shortens the life of the bee. By getting the bees to live a week or so longer they collect two to three times as much nectar! They forage earlier in life and longer. beekeep >-- >Billy Y. Smart II >/* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ >/* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ >/* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temperature to hive bees Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:08:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3ad59a6f.261578863@news1.radix.net> References: <3ad4ef09$0$47993$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29216 On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:55:39 -0700, "Dave" wrote: >I just got two packages of bees today. I have fed them sugar water. The >temperature is colder than usual with highs around 68 degrees. I am in San >Diego, CA. At what temperature is it warm enough to hive the bees? How >long should I wait vs. going ahead with hiving them. The temperature is >supposed to stay in the 60s this week. > >Thanks, >Dave > > > I have installed packages in the snow. Go for it. There is no brood to keep warm. You won't hurt them. beekeep Article 29217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question for the experts Date: 12 Apr 2001 08:48:49 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9b487h$c45$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <12651-3AD487B3-16@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3ad4d611.211309163@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29217 Hi. What is a "cadivan"? Cordovan? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temperature to hive bees Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:46:21 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9b48b9$bfc$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <3ad4ef09$0$47993$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <20010411222956.08834.00002597@ng-bk1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-8-14.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 987079849 11756 209.23.8.14 (12 Apr 2001 12:50:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2001 12:50:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29218 Hi, I installed 25 packages last year at 30-40 degree temps(rain). You are in the clear. I don't think I ever installed a package in that warm of weather! Well maybe once. Clay Article 29219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD5B329.510F0729@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reversal References: <3AD33D50.4BDE9184@iquest.net> <3AD3757E.E13374E7@raytheon.com> <3AD4C77D.2647D4EF@raytheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:52:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 987083594 147.25.198.43 (Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:53:14 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:53:14 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29219 James Kilty wrote: > There was research which showed a clear relation between the number of > bees per litre of space in the hive and the number of queen cells > produced. So, the more the bees crowd the space the more cells they > make. Ahhh...exactly the point I was trying to make. Until you can remove the influence of individual queen genetics, you won't have a true "blind" scientific test. I also read some research by a graduate student (under Dr. Tew) a few years ago in 'The American Bee Journal' which showed the same results as you mentioned. Since I see you're in England, I doubt we're speaking about the same article. My point is, while I suspect there is some correlation between egg laying space availability (i.e., brood nest crowding) and swarming; the genetics of the individual queen bee is probably a *much* stronger influence. I can only sight my own experience of a few years ago when a certain queen of mine, had plenty of brood nest space yet she 'threw off' multiple swarms that Spring. The scientific community would most likely just refer to that as "an anomaly", but my own suspicions are that genetics played a rather large role in her actions. Now with the advent of cloning and the potential of having multiple "exact copies" of queen honeybees, I think we're finally on the verge of being able to conduct true blind scientific tests which would demonstrate the "real correlation" between brood nest crowding and the swarming impulse by removing from the equation the variable of individual queen genetics. On another topic, I have a good beekeeping friend who lives in South Yorkshire (Mexborough) -- is it close to your area? Also, one of the great joys of my life was to visit Devonshire (Buckfast Abbey) several years ago and meet with Br. Adam. Article 29220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Spring feeding X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <9b0jia$pvd$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:19:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 35 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29220 David wrote: > > Hello All > > I am in the Middle Georgia area. > > How long should I feed the bees in the spring? I have been feeding for about > 2 weeks now. I notice that there seems to be a lot of brood. > > My second package of bees arrived on Saturday and so far they seem to be > doing OK. > There seem to be several different worker colour paterns and some seem to be > larger than others. The drones are the same way some are almost black and > some are banded. > Is this because package bees are collected from several hives? > > David There was a recent article in, I think, "Bee Culture" were it was suggestd that you feed for no more than 30-40 days or the colony will get too strong and swarm. Last year was my first year and this is what happened to me. They never stopped taking syrup, even in a flow, so I just kept feeding. One of my three package hives swarmed and another captured swarm hive swarmed again. This was after they had each drawn to full deep boxes of comb. At the very least you should stop feeding when you put on the honey supers. Can't answer about the different size bees but the darker colored ones are the older bees. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> <20010406174029.22090.00002355@ng-cl1.aol.com> <3acedcd4.652725123@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Brood question Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:06:41 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-VVKreRlr5F4JQjmC0JJjyfbYcygwGEyg7yC7rn7rxDWGKvL0tTpk7bPrm+TGkNwUgbjlez3HVuCTnYo!2LIvtPT/x85fbZqAUgjEPjlwo3mtv8VgAcUDSR8qx3csPJecgIk7CS2DUUyv7et79ET3Sygv0Tlb!qxUZpqtL7r8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:59:00 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29221 The queen is presant but not laying worker brood. I saw her again this last weekend. Still only a few drone cells and drone larva. Three frames of bees still alive. flying on warm sunny days and some pollen coming in. I am just going to let things happen and learn what I can. This is just the reason 2 hives is better than 1. Thanks to everyone who gave advise and sorry my post turned into a battle between some of you. I'll keep you informed as to what happens in case anyone is interested. Dave Article 29222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com> Subject: Re: I am new to beekeeping. Please advise. Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:16:16 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-yyWL5NnASd8eFlJYFCgeXUsvig32R9bZmHK31kHgNHXE0jaq+vBPOjE0Mg/8DHp9S62pRLxjG7+f2G6!YVJHNmVGCeffAf9BAr6YpomO5/ZPApM2YwQcIMdKO2pla95BOPS8ciZ02SoVI3+y9LarKBYDy7pa!jooCNtLxzJU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:08:35 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29222 "David Jordan" wrote in message news:3ace175a.0@oracle.zianet.com... > Hello, > I am new to beekeeping and have just built my first brood hive and ordered > my bees. I ordered a 3# box w/queen from R. Weaver of his All-Americans. > They ship on 4/27/01. I am going to build an adobe pad to place the brood > box on probably today. I bought the starter kit from westernbee.com. > I would welcome any advise from you all as the usnet news has been probably > the most informative part of my internet experience since I started using it > in 93 and I like to be well informed. My advise from a second year hobbiest who is watching his bees slowly die out, is to buy 2 hives and 2 packages. For all the reasons the books say to. Dave Article 29223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question for the experts Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:20:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3ad5e22a.279941935@news1.radix.net> References: <12651-3AD487B3-16@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3ad4d611.211309163@news1.radix.net> <9b487h$c45$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p48.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29223 On 12 Apr 2001 08:48:49 -0400, adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >Hi. What is a "cadivan"? >Cordovan? > >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@radix.net >http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Cordovans - I was on my first cup of java. I don't recall who sells them but they call them red heads. beekeep Article 29224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!NetNews1!attws2!attsl2!attdv2!ip.att.net!frgp!ncar!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetles in package bees Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:47:13 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3AD5DC10.92FA65BA@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3AD50D59.79817975@mail.tqci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29224 Christopher Drazba wrote: > Can SHB travel with packages? If they can, any suggestions as to > what I should do? > > Chris Drazba > Leonardtown, MD Check to see if those were the only two in your packages. Article 29225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9aljip$lrr$1@news.chatlink.com> <20010408153711.14552.00000864@ng-da1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Plastic Excluder Lines: 26 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:53:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 987097992 12.73.42.13 (Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:53:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:53:12 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29225 Nah, I have trouble when you call a car trunk a boot and a cookie a biscuit! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:sXnA6.2821$3j.23923@news2-hme0... > Anyone else having difficulty understanding this? > > "Blue Taz37" wrote in message > news:20010408153711.14552.00000864@ng-da1.aol.com... > > >You go tweaking on your excluder, and guess who's > > >gonna be up topside laying eggs again? > > > > Oh I know what you mean by tweaking it. I was not sure what the rasp is. > New to > > me. > > Article 29226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-001cocsprp200.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cut Comb Advice, Please? Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:08:25 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3ad44b5f.175803604@news1.radix.net> <3AD47480.AB5F6A2D@nospam.boeing.com> <9b21h0$4m3$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.85.ac.70 X-Server-Date: 13 Apr 2001 01:04:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29226 In article <9b21h0$4m3$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu>, jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) wrote: > > One of the easiest ways to produce c/c is to first give a super of extracting > combs, and when this is being well filled and the honey flow is on, put a > super of cut comb fdn between it and the brood chamber. The comb will be > drawn rapidly and filled and finished well in this position, if the nectar > flow and weather remain good. Then a second cut comb super can be given in the > same way. I LIKE this idea! :) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!newspeer.cts.com!galanthis.cts.com!127.0.0.1.MISMATCH!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mystery bee package Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:26:37 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3ad6800c$0$47992$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Trace: 987136013 nntp.cts.com 47992 dkern/65.13.109.136 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29227 Ok, this is the second year I have installed bees. Both years now the queen cages did not have any queen candy. Is this common (I even switched sources for the packages this year)? Last year I pulled the cork and pushed some marshmellows into the hole. But, with the second of two packages the queen escaped before I could push the marshmellows into the cage and the package was lost. This year I just jarred the cork but left it intact. I put the cage in the hive and will attempt to remove the cork if needed in a couple of days. The mystery - - - - after I installed the queens and a pile of bees I noticed that most of the bees were more attached to the packages than the queen. Not many bees signaling for all to come. I left and returned just after dark. Over half of each of the two packages were still in the packages. Then I found a plastic strip hanging in the packages that the bees were surrounding like it was a queen. It was dark brown to orange and hung just inside the queen cage. I didn't see it right away. It was slid through the same slit that the queen cage was attached. I pulled it loose and put it in the hives. What was it???? So, many bees will be in the packages outside tonight. The temperature shouldn't go below 40 - 42 degrees. Hopefully all will survive the night. Anyone have a similar story or advice. Thanks, Dave Article 29228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystery bee package Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:07:10 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AD67B6E.F81E89FD@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3ad6800c$0$47992$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29228 Howdy Dave -- The plastic strip is Apistan to help control Varroa Mites. Most beekeepers dump all the bees into the hive and take the wire cage away from the area. Your marshmallows should work in case there is no candy. Just be sure to check to see if she is released about the 5th. day. I'm sure you know to begin feeding sugar syrup as soon as you install the bees. The bees remaining in the cage will clump together for warmth tonight, but be sure to dump them in the hive or at the entrance as soon as it warms up tomorrow. Pete ************************** Article 29229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Mystery bee package X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AD6FF46.AE8858B8@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3ad6800c$0$47992$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:29:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29229 Dave wrote: > > Ok, this is the second year I have installed bees. Both years now the queen > cages did not have any queen candy. Is this common (I even switched sources > for the packages this year)? Last year I pulled the cork and pushed some > marshmellows into the hole. But, with the second of two packages the queen > escaped before I could push the marshmellows into the cage and the package > was lost. > With a package colony there is no need to keep the queen confined as they have become acclimated in transit. You should be able to release the queen when the package is installed. There is no need for candy or a marshmallow. Just release the queen into the hive and let her do her thing. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> <20010406174029.22090.00002355@ng-cl1.aol.com> <3acedcd4.652725123@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Brood question Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:30:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.189.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 987172247 24.91.189.110 (Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:30:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:30:47 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29230 "J&DC" wrote in message news:BglB6.146393$lj4.4504138@news6.giganews.com... > The queen is presant but not laying worker brood. I saw her again this last > weekend. Still only a few drone cells and drone larva. Three frames of > bees still alive. flying on warm sunny days and some pollen coming in. I am > just going to let things happen and learn what I can. While I would more often be wiser to follow this plan as well, in this case I'd say you need to do something quick, else your three frames drops to 0. > This is just the reason 2 hives is better than 1. Right! To increase your learning, you may want to drop a frame with eggs and larvae into the funky-queened hive and see what they do :-) -Steve Article 29231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temperature to hive bees From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3ad4ef09$0$47993$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <20010411222956.08834.00002597@ng-bk1.aol.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 Lines: 8 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:56:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.49.225 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 987173793 161.184.49.225 (Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:56:33 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:56:33 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29231 >68 is a great temp-I read where some of the guys are hiving in snow >storms. You can see pictures of this very thinG -- hiving in snow >storms -- at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ allen Article 29232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystery bee package Date: 13 Apr 2001 16:39:56 GMT Lines: 28 Message-ID: <9b7a4s$he3$0@63.68.70.196> References: <3ad6800c$0$47992$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.70.196 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29232 On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:26:37 -0700, "Dave" wrote: >Ok, this is the second year I have installed bees. Both years now the queen >cages did not have any queen candy. Is this common (I even switched sources >for the packages this year)? Last year I pulled the cork and pushed some >marshmellows into the hole. But, with the second of two packages the queen >escaped before I could push the marshmellows into the cage and the package >was lost. That's not surprising at all. Queens shipped individually (ie. not inside a cage of packaged bees) only have several workers to tend to the queen. Those few workers use the candy, but normally use so much as to free the queen during shipping. So you can use it to enable the hive she is placed in to release her when they become familiar with her. However, with package bees it's completely different. If candy were used there is a good chance the 2-5 lbs of bees might release the queen while in shipping making it nearly impossible for you to find her. Also, the queen has been with her subjects during shipping, so there is little need for additional aclimation time once placed in the hive. Just pop the cork and let her out. (If you pick up your package bees directly from the supplier (and thus there has been no shipping time) you may need to give them a few days before releasing her.) -Tim Article 29233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Clarkson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package Bees Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:10:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.211.245.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 987181857 63.211.245.252 (Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:10:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:10:57 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:09:41 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29233 How long can they live in the package? My supplier shipped 2 packages to me on 4/10/01 via US Postal Service. As of 4/13/01 the local PO has not seen them. Hopefully they will get here Saturday, but what if it is not until Monday? George Article 29234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD73DD8.24C30DC@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystery bee package References: <3ad6800c$0$47992$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:56:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 987184629 147.25.198.43 (Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:57:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:57:09 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29234 Dave wrote: > Over half of each of the two packages were still in the > packages. Then I found a plastic strip hanging in the packages that the > bees were surrounding like it was a queen. Yep, it was a small strip of Apistan. There may have been some residual queen pheromone on the strip but as this fades away, the bees will gather around the actual queen. Some shippers put QMP (Queen Mandibular Pheromone) in their packages to help keep the bees calm (not to mention the U.S. Postal workers). I always followed the technique, when installing a package of bees, to spray them with a light sugar/water solution. This tends to wet their wings, thus keeping them from flying and gets them busy licking each other off. At that point you can literally shake them out into the hive and as long as you've put the queen cage in the new hive, the bees will stay. Any stragglers will very soon join the main party! Article 29235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD73EDA.93D1B0A9@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:00:58 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 987184888 147.25.198.43 (Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:01:28 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:01:28 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29235 George Clarkson wrote: > How long can they live in the package?.... > Hopefully they will get here Saturday, but what if it is not until > Monday? Should be no problem as long as the Post Office has taken reasonable care. Most package bee shippers put a can of corn syrup or sugar syrup in their packages so the bee have enough to sustain them for at least a week (and probably, much longer). Article 29236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring feeding Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:58:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <9b0jia$pvd$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> <3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 987206391 nnrp-14:18147 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29236 In article <3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com>, Billy Y. Smart II writes >There was a recent article in, I think, "Bee Culture" were it was >suggestd that you feed for no more than 30-40 days or the colony will >get too strong and swarm. An article in APIS (June or July last year I think) quoted some research by school pupils in the US which showed some honey samples with 40% (if I remember right) sucrose in them. My comment, printed in the next edition, was that I thought this was a bit high. I meant this as an understatement and a question to be answered - no-one did. The widespread practice of feeding large amounts of sugar to bees in the autumn (and spring) must lead to many beekeepers having either sucrose or sucrose derived fructose and glucose in their honey. Would anyone be surprised if analysis proved this? I think we should be careful in this matter and if we do need to feed, feed only what is needed. It is interesting how much fuss was made over Chinese honey and recently even Manuka honey having evidence of high fructose corn syrup in it. Perhaps all our sugar feed should be strongly dyed so we can tell when it goes back up into the supers to join our honey harvest. -- James Kilty Article 29237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring feeding Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:13:07 +0100 Message-ID: <6U1fPBATY516Ewv4@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <9b0jia$pvd$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> <3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 987207232 nnrp-07:19158 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29237 In article <3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com>, Billy Y. Smart II writes >There was a recent article in, I think, "Bee Culture" were it was >suggestd that you feed for no more than 30-40 days or the colony will >get too strong and swarm. An article in APIS (July last year) quoted some research by school pupils in the US which showed some honey samples with 40% (if I remember right) sucrose in them. My comment, printed in the next edition, was that I thought this was a bit high. I meant this as an understatement and a question to be answered - no-one did. The widespread practice of feeding large amounts of sugar to bees in the autumn (and spring) must lead to many beekeepers having either sucrose or sucrose derived fructose and glucose in their honey. Would anyone be surprised if analysis proved this? I think we should be careful in this matter and if we do need to feed, feed only what is needed. It is interesting how much fuss was made over Chinese honey and recently even Manuka honey having evidence of high fructose corn syrup in it. Perhaps all our sugar feed should be strongly dyed so we can tell when it goes back up into the supers to join our honey harvest. -- James Kilty Article 29238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring feeding Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:10:54 +0100 Message-ID: <0ESc7AAOW516EwuW@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <9b0jia$pvd$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> <3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 987207127 nnrp-13:23278 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29238 In article <3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com>, Billy Y. Smart II writes >There was a recent article in, I think, "Bee Culture" were it was >suggestd that you feed for no more than 30-40 days or the colony will >get too strong and swarm. I checked the edition at http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis_2000/ communicating_the_joy_of_keeping.htm and quote "Sugars found in honey were mostly fructose (six carbon atoms) and sucrose (12 carbon atoms). Also present were smaller components of larger sugars (18 carbon atoms). The Michigan sample was 31 percent fructose, 55.1 percent sucrose and 13.9 percent sugars with 18 carbon atoms. The Arizona honey had slightly less fructose (30.2 percent), more sucrose (66.5 percent) and much less of sugars with 18 carbon atoms (3.3 percent)." Does anyone have a comment on this please. -- James Kilty Article 29239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nasty hive Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:52:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 987209553 24.66.69.64 (Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:52:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:52:33 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29239 Well it's finally spring here, and the good news is both my hive came through winter just great. Late last season I noticed one of my hives had gotten really really agressive, and now this spring they're just as bad. I was just wondering what I could do about this, the hive has a good strong queen, but it's no fun at all when they're this agressive. Should I requeen? If so how should I do this, finding her amongst all those nasty ones would be a chore. Article 29240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temperature to hive bees From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3ad4ef09$0$47993$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <20010411222956.08834.00002597@ng-bk1.aol.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 Lines: 8 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:00:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 987210047 198.161.229.184 (Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:00:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:00:47 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29240 a >You can see pictures of this very thing -- hiving in snow >storms -- at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Sorry. Let me be more specific: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/2000/Diary040900.htm allen Article 29241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Apr 2001 02:00:00 GMT References: <20010410075824.19062.00006183@ng-ci1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Big Johnson are you here? Message-ID: <20010413220000.08022.00000091@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29241 >Seems I had some similar results with the formic in a couple beeyards. > yep the formic sucked big time, and yep i'm still here, and yep that's my bee vac design that brushy mouontain is selling without giving me squat !!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 29242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9b0jia$pvd$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net><3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com> <6U1fPBATY516Ewv4@kilty.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Spring feeding Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:42:22 -0700 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-173.reachone.com Message-ID: <3ad7b82c@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 13 Apr 2001 19:38:36 -0700, tc1-173.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!nwnews.wa.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-173.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29242 The >widespread practice of feeding large amounts of sugar to bees in the >autumn (and spring) must lead to many beekeepers having either sucrose >or sucrose derived fructose and glucose in their honey. >-- >James Kilty James - You may well be right, however I have no supers on right now so if the sugar is being stored, it is only stored for the bees own consumption. Is there a problem with giving them sucrose for their own diet? Perhaps, but if they were starving, it is sugar water that I would feed them, so the content is the same. My sole aim is to get the numbers up so that when the major bloom comes (fireweed & blackberries, here in western WA), there'll be sufficient bees to make me some honey too. ken Article 29243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Apr 2001 13:54:41 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: nasty hive Message-ID: <20010414095441.19952.00000152@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29243 You are either going to have to wade through the nasty bees to requeen or kill them. Here are a few tricks. Nasty bees seem enraged by smoke so smoke lightly and wait a minute also try spraying them with a little sugar water 1/1 Splitting the hive into a few smaller hives to go through them will make things easier. Take the nasty hive away from it's original stand and out of direct line of sight will help if you put some combs on the original stand for the field bees to return to. The less field bees you have in the boxes you requeen the more easier they accept the new queen. Article 29244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!do.de.uu.net!ams.uu.net!news.mailgate.org!oe37.law14.hotmail.com!not-for-mail From: khaledgasser@hotmail.com ("19611989") Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Australian beehive products Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: oe37.law14.hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C0C50C.854EFE80" X-Trace: news.mailgate.org 987263870 30988 64.4.20.94 (Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:58:33 +0200) X-Complaints-To: oe37.law14.hotmail.com@abuse.net abuse@mailgate.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Mail-From: khaledgasser@hotmail.com from [62.114.198.118] by way of oe37.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.94] X-Originating-IP: [62.114.198.118] X-URL: http://www.Mailgate.ORG Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29244 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C0C50C.854EFE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C0C50C.854EFE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C0C50C.854EFE80-- -- Posted from [62.114.198.118] by way of oe37.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.94] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Article 29245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed3!btnet!newreader.ukcore.bt.net!news.cali.co.uk!212.1.156.81 From: "Ann - Scotland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: nasty hive Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3ad87ac2.0@news.cali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:28:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.47.10 X-Trace: newreader.ukcore.bt.net 987265734 62.172.47.10 (Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:28:54 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:28:54 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29245 "Greg" wrote in message news:lbNB6.28$4I5.8383@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com... > Well it's finally spring here, and the good news is both my hive came > through winter just great. Late last season I noticed one of my hives had > gotten really really agressive, and now this spring they're just as bad. I > was just wondering what I could do about this, the hive has a good strong > queen, but it's no fun at all when they're this agressive. > > Should I requeen? If so how should I do this, finding her amongst all those > nasty ones would be a chore. When we first started beekeeping (Shropshire, England) we had a really nasty colony and were advised to requeen. One of the experienced officers of our local association told us it was nothing to worry about and he would come and help. He got out of his car and was greeted by one of the bees (they were 50 yards down the garden) who didn't like visitors and was promptly stung on the end of his nose!! We did requeen, (remember, the workers take the characteristics of the queen) and yes it was a chore amongst the nasty bees, but when we found her, and it took quite a time, I'm afraid she got stamped on with such delight that I then couldn't even check that it was the right bee that we'd caught! You could try putting a new box under the bottom box and putting a queen excluder between them and she will be left behind when the rest go down, but I'm not sure how long you could leave them like that. We put in a new queen, very successfully and after a few weeks had lovely calm bees to work with, so it was worth it - Good Luck Ann - Scotland > Article 29246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9b0jia$pvd$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net><3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com> <6U1fPBATY516Ewv4@kilty.demon.co.uk> <3ad7b82c@news.turbotek.net> Subject: Re: Spring feeding Lines: 26 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:04:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.41.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 987275055 12.73.41.199 (Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:04:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:04:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29246 If this is your aim then you are probably too late. You need to start your stimulative feeding 60 days before the flow. It takes about 40 days after emerging for a worker to begin foraging duties. For my location this is about Feb 1st. By the middle of June the blackberries will already be in pies. If I was interested in almonds, I would start even earlier than that. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "K Adney" wrote in message news:3ad7b82c@news.turbotek.net... > My sole aim is to get the numbers up so that when the major bloom > comes (fireweed & blackberries, here in western WA), there'll be sufficient > bees to make me some honey too. > > ken > > Article 29247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ad6800c$0$47992$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> <9b7a4s$he3$0@63.68.70.196> Subject: Re: Mystery bee package Lines: 51 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:09:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 987275372 65.13.109.136 (Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:09:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:09:32 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29247 You have to be careful not to let her fly away though. Last year that happened when I popped the cork for one of my two hives. Everyone took off! I checked on both new hives today. On one queen cage I pushed the cork in when I hived them. The queen was out of the cage. On the other hive, the queen was still in her cage. I pushed the cork in, put the cage back into the super and waited a minute or so. I then removed the empty queen cage. Hopefully all will work out for both hives. One hive is definitely stronger so far. More bees in it. But, I pulled a frame of honey from my year old hive for each of the two new hives. That should help. Thanks to all for the information. Dave "Tim Arheit" wrote in message news:9b7a4s$he3$0@63.68.70.196... > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:26:37 -0700, "Dave" > wrote: > > >Ok, this is the second year I have installed bees. Both years now the queen > >cages did not have any queen candy. Is this common (I even switched sources > >for the packages this year)? Last year I pulled the cork and pushed some > >marshmellows into the hole. But, with the second of two packages the queen > >escaped before I could push the marshmellows into the cage and the package > >was lost. > > That's not surprising at all. Queens shipped individually (ie. not > inside a cage of packaged bees) only have several workers to tend to > the queen. Those few workers use the candy, but normally use so much > as to free the queen during shipping. So you can use it to enable the > hive she is placed in to release her when they become familiar with > her. > > However, with package bees it's completely different. If candy were > used there is a good chance the 2-5 lbs of bees might release the > queen while in shipping making it nearly impossible for you to find > her. Also, the queen has been with her subjects during shipping, so > there is little need for additional aclimation time once placed in the > hive. Just pop the cork and let her out. (If you pick up your > package bees directly from the supplier (and thus there has been no > shipping time) you may need to give them a few days before releasing > her.) > > -Tim Article 29248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood question Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:46:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3ad8b6b8.465426314@news1.radix.net> References: <20010405224008.01375.00001833@ng-de1.aol.com> <20010406174029.22090.00002355@ng-cl1.aol.com> <3acedcd4.652725123@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29248 On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:59:00 -0400, "J&DC" wrote: >The queen is presant but not laying worker brood. I saw her again this last >weekend. Still only a few drone cells and drone larva. Three frames of >bees still alive. flying on warm sunny days and some pollen coming in. I am >just going to let things happen and learn what I can. This is just the >reason 2 hives is better than 1. Thanks to everyone who gave advise and >sorry my post turned into a battle between some of you. I'll keep you >informed as to what happens in case anyone is interested. >Dave > Your queen has run out of sperm. I know, there goes my potty mouth again, but this is due to poor matings. This could be because of bad weather or, if you bought her, she was picked too early and shipped.. You need to requeen. beekeep Article 29249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nasty hive Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:50:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ad8b7c4.465694208@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29249 On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:52:33 GMT, "Greg" wrote: >Well it's finally spring here, and the good news is both my hive came >through winter just great. Late last season I noticed one of my hives had >gotten really really agressive, and now this spring they're just as bad. I >was just wondering what I could do about this, the hive has a good strong >queen, but it's no fun at all when they're this agressive. > >Should I requeen? If so how should I do this, finding her amongst all those >nasty ones would be a chore. > Murphy's Law of Nasty Hives. The nastier the hive the harder it is to find the queen. beekeep Article 29250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetles in package bees Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:54:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3ad8b88c.465894524@news1.radix.net> References: <3AD50D59.79817975@mail.tqci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29250 On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:04:54 GMT, Christopher Drazba wrote: > > >I am a new beekeeper this year and live in Southern Maryland.  I received >two packages of bees on Monday.  I set the packages in my basement >on an old bed sheet until I had a chance to install them later in the afternoon >(it was 85 deg on Mon).  After I had installed them, I went to clean >up the sheet where the packages had been sitting, and found two fast moving, >small black beetles in the folds of the sheet.  I didn't think of >it until sometime later that night that they might be Small Hive Beetles.  >I have a bee book that has pictures of Small Hive Beetles, so I went and >looked at the pictures and I'm pretty sure that's what they were.  >Unfortunately I did not keep the beetles but had thrown them away after >I had squashed them.  Can SHB travel with packages? If they can, any >suggestions as to what I should do? >

Chris Drazba >
Leonardtown, MD > Howdy neighbor! I am just north of you in Chuck County. I would get on the phone and talk to Bart Smith about this. He is the head apiary inspector for MDA. His number is 410 841-5920. beekeep Article 29251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystery bee package Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:00:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3ad8b9a5.466175489@news1.radix.net> References: <3ad6800c$0$47992$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29251 On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:26:37 -0700, "Dave" wrote: >Ok, this is the second year I have installed bees. Both years now the queen >cages did not have any queen candy. Is this common (I even switched sources >for the packages this year)? Last year I pulled the cork and pushed some >marshmellows into the hole. But, with the second of two packages the queen >escaped before I could push the marshmellows into the cage and the package >was lost. > >This year I just jarred the cork but left it intact. I put the cage in the >hive and will attempt to remove the cork if needed in a couple of days. > >The mystery - - - - after I installed the queens and a pile of bees I >noticed that most of the bees were more attached to the packages than the >queen. Not many bees signaling for all to come. I left and returned just >after dark. Over half of each of the two packages were still in the >packages. Then I found a plastic strip hanging in the packages that the >bees were surrounding like it was a queen. It was dark brown to orange and >hung just inside the queen cage. I didn't see it right away. It was slid >through the same slit that the queen cage was attached. I pulled it loose >and put it in the hives. What was it???? > >So, many bees will be in the packages outside tonight. The temperature >shouldn't go below 40 - 42 degrees. Hopefully all will survive the night. >Anyone have a similar story or advice. > >Thanks, >Dave > You are not shaking your packages enough. You need to slap the ends of the cage to jar the bees loose so that they can be dumped out. When I have had newbes helping me install packages I wait until they leave and then go back and shake them down again. They usually leave a 1/2 pound or more in each cage. Beating on the cages won't hurt the bees. beekeep Article 29252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela & Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will they swarm? Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:16:29 -0400 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9baelq$si6$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY77bkg6srzoED4sThgYfkT+EQXweX31XcX92hI1lTEogpjHJqMkkAi X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2001 21:15:38 GMT X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29252 I did an inspection of one of my hives today and am worried about what I saw. First, the hive was so packed with bees that there was even a cluster on the underside of the outer cover. Second, I found 5 or 6 queen cells on the bottom of the comb (between the bottom edge of the comb and the bottom rail of the frame) on one frame in the top box. I didn't find any other queen cells. This hive came out of winter very strong. Two weeks ago I removed 4 frames of brood and two frames of honey to make a split, replacing those frames with empty comb. I am in central Virginia, with the main honey flow a few weeks away. Do I need to worry? I am considering spliting them again, and then recombining, but don't want to go to all that trouble if I don't need to. I did add a super today (so have two deeps, one medium). What else, if anything, should I do? Any advice would be appreciated. Keith Article 29253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.2.MISMATCH!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9baelq$si6$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Subject: Re: Will they swarm? Lines: 45 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:58:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 987296297 12.73.42.203 (Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:58:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:58:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29253 When you made your "split" 2 weeks ago, you should have put the old queen in the split (or destroyed her and installed 2 new queens). You make no mention of doing it so I'll assume you didn't. If those queen cells are sealed and if you are lucky they have not yet swarmed and the old queen is still in there. Make another split and make sure you put the old queen in the split. Make it a healthy split quantity-wise and leave the cells for the parent colony. Do it NOW and don't wait a day! Once the cells are sealed, the fuse has been lit. Assuming the cells are sealed, removing the brood and installing a super will do nothing to prevent them from swarming. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message news:9baelq$si6$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > I did an inspection of one of my hives today and am worried about what I > saw. First, the hive was so packed with bees that there was even a cluster > on the underside of the outer cover. Second, I found 5 or 6 queen cells on > the bottom of the comb (between the bottom edge of the comb and the bottom > rail of the frame) on one frame in the top box. I didn't find any other > queen cells. This hive came out of winter very strong. Two weeks ago I > removed 4 frames of brood and two frames of honey to make a split, replacing > those frames with empty comb. I am in central Virginia, with the main honey > flow a few weeks away. Do I need to worry? I am considering spliting them > again, and then recombining, but don't want to go to all that trouble if I > don't need to. I did add a super today (so have two deeps, one medium). > What else, if anything, should I do? Any advice would be appreciated. > > Keith > > Article 29254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Apr 2001 03:22:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: new queen Message-ID: <20010414232257.03441.00000315@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29254 This is my first year to keep bees, I bought two hives. One is doing very well, the other has a very eradic brood pattern. I know that the queen is there because I see new eggs and larva. If i requeen do I kill her and place the new queen in the same day?? Any ideas on what "breed" to get, I live in southeast Tenn. Thanks Mike Article 29255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "ELScofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ad8b7c4.465694208@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: nasty hive Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:23:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.9.73.252 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 987330203 216.9.73.252 (Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:23:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:23:23 EDT Organization: Pinnacle Online (pinn.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29255 Often I move the hive to the other end of the yard before I start leaving most of the really nasty ones behind. Ernie beekeep wrote in message news:3ad8b7c4.465694208@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:52:33 GMT, "Greg" wrote: > Murphy's Law of Nasty Hives. The nastier the hive the harder it is to > find the queen. Article 29256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new queen Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:34:58 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ad99557.522416697@news1.radix.net> References: <20010414232257.03441.00000315@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29256 On 15 Apr 2001 03:22:57 GMT, outman2@aol.com (Mike) wrote: >This is my first year to keep bees, I bought two hives. One is doing very well, >the other has a very eradic brood pattern. I know that the queen is there >because I see new eggs and larva. If i requeen do I kill her and place the >new queen in the same day?? > Any ideas on what "breed" to get, I live in southeast Tenn. > > Thanks > Mike Squash the old queen on the new queen's cage. beekeep Article 29257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9b0jia$pvd$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net><3AD5B965.F2658AF@nospam.boeing.com> <6U1fPBATY516Ewv4@kilty.demon.co.uk> <3ad7b82c@news.turbotek.net> Subject: Re: Spring feeding Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:51:53 -0700 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-81.reachone.com Message-ID: <3ad9d0c8@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 15 Apr 2001 09:48:08 -0700, tc1-81.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nwnews.wa.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-81.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29257 George Styer wrote in message ... >If this is your aim then you are probably too late. You need to start your >stimulative feeding 60 days before the flow. It takes about 40 days after >emerging for a worker to begin foraging duties. For my location this is >about Feb 1st. By the middle of June the blackberries will already be in >pies. If I was interested in almonds, I would start even earlier than that. > Fruit trees aren't even in the pre-pink here yet, dandelions only opened up a week ago. I've got several weeks at least before the blackberries bloom. This is Seattle-ish area. Article 29258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.infostrada.it!usenet.inwind.it!not-for-mail From: "Roberto Enrico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sito liguria Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:16:21 +0200 Organization: Wind Telecomunicazioni S.p.A. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <9bcl3a$50h$1@nreadA.inwind.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.98.72.117 X-Trace: nreadA.inwind.it 987355050 5137 62.98.72.117 (15 Apr 2001 17:17:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@inwind.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Apr 2001 17:17:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29258 -- Digital Agri http://spazioweb.inwind.it/rulandis/digital%20agri.htm Article 29259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Russian bees Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:56:33 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29259 I just installed my new package of bees. I bought the black Russian bees this time. What kind of experience have ya'll had with these Russians? Are they as gentle as the Italian? Are they good honey producers? Another beekeeper told me to try them out...he's trying them too. Do I feed them sugarwater or vodka? Article 29260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mold Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:10:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.252.235.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 987376205 158.252.235.253 (Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:10:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:10:05 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:08:47 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29260 I have a hive box full of drawn comb that has mold on it. It was the bottom box of two. The top box looks ok and is 3/4s full of honey. It was a weak hive that winter killed. What can I do to save the moldy comb? Darrell Article 29261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mold Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:46:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29261 Just put it on a strong hive of bees and they'll clean it up just fine. chris www.greathoney.com Article 29262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!skycache.prestige.net!not-for-mail From: "mikebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010414232257.03441.00000315@ng-ca1.aol.com> Subject: Re: new queen Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:54:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.94.220.131 X-Complaints-To: administrator@prestige.net X-Trace: skycache.prestige.net 987375283 63.94.220.131 (Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:54:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:54:43 EDT Organization: Prestige Communications/ Prestige.Net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29262 Kill the Queen and wait at least 12 hours, (I wait 24 hours). I just created 5 new hives today (Sunday)and will add the queens tomorrow (Monday) if they arrive in the mail as scheduled. I live between Atlanta & Chattanooga and keep Italians, the queens come from North California and are supposed to be superior as to being Hygienic (developed by Dr Marla Spivick (sp)). Several members in the bee club are keeping Carniolians and think they are the best for a mountainous area such as north Georgia or Smokey Mountians. They are pros and cons with both types. Read the literature you can find on each or try one of each. If you find you do not like a certain type, you can always requeen. Mike wrote in message news:20010414232257.03441.00000315@ng-ca1.aol.com... > This is my first year to keep bees, I bought two hives. One is doing very well, > the other has a very eradic brood pattern. I know that the queen is there > because I see new eggs and larva. If i requeen do I kill her and place the > new queen in the same day?? > Any ideas on what "breed" to get, I live in southeast Tenn. > > Thanks > Mike Article 29263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!sn-xit-02!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Joe B." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:11:15 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29263 Yesterday I had the fortune (?) to collect a swarm from a friend. They are in a paper-mache type box with a mis-matched group of frames. I don't have a hive to put them in. Is there a site that tells how to build a hive or should I try to buy one? I've seen a couple of prices on-line and they seem expensive. All advice appreciated. Dennis Article 29264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADA48A7.10020C20@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetles in package bees References: <3AD50D59.79817975@mail.tqci.net> <3ad8b88c.465894524@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:19:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 987383952 64.244.8.120 (Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:19:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:19:12 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29264 I called him after I found another one of the critters on Tuesday.  I snapped
a close-up picture of it with my digital camera and emailed it to him.  He
said that it is definitely a Nitidula beetle which is the family that Aethina
tumida belongs.  He said that their taxonomist needs to examine it to be
certain, but he's pretty sure that it is a SHB considering where I found it.
The bee inspector is coming tomorrow to collect the sample beetle and
treat my hives.

Chris
 
 
 
 

beekeep wrote:

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:04:54 GMT, Christopher Drazba
<drazba@mail.tqci.net> wrote:
 

I am a new beekeeper this year and live in Southern Maryland. I received
two packages of bees on Monday.  I set the packages in my basement
on an old bed sheet until I had a chance to install them later in the afternoon
(it was 85 deg on Mon). After I had installed them, I went to clean
up the sheet where the packages had been sitting, and found two fast moving,
small black beetles in the folds of the sheet. I didn't think of
it until sometime later that night that they might be Small Hive Beetles.
I have a bee book that has pictures of Small Hive Beetles, so I went and
looked at the pictures and I'm pretty sure that's what they were.
Unfortunately I did not keep the beetles but had thrown them away after
I had squashed them. Can SHB travel with packages? If they can, any
suggestions as to what I should do?

Chris Drazba
Leonardtown, MD

Howdy neighbor!  I am just north of you in Chuck County.

I would get on the phone and talk to Bart Smith about this.  He is the
head apiary inspector for MDA.  His number is 410 841-5920.

beekeep

Article 29265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADAC2BB.B6ECFE85@diablo-ca.com> From: Mike Mascaro Organization: Diablo MicroSystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:56:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.212.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com 987414967 65.0.212.206 (Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:56:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:56:07 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29265 I had a lot of problems with the Russian Bee, I installed 25 last spring and summer and only had about 35% acceptance rate. They would seem fine for a week or two then no eggs and lot's of supersedure cells. Since I have Yugo bee's with drones frames for producing my own queens I let them supersede with a little help. Leaving the two biggest. I have noticed these bees seem to be a little more aggressive and seem to bounce off my veil a lot more. But, They produce and fly on cloudy day's.I have pulled off about 50 - 60 lb. already an they didn't even go to the almonds. With every one of my Russians colonies being really strong. Just note these bees are mostly Yugo after the Supersedure. Since last year I have found that if I replace a russian queen in a russian colony I get a better rate of acceptance. I'm also interested in what others have found with the Russian Bee. Mikey In CA "Mr. Dixon" wrote: > I just installed my new package of bees. I bought the black Russian bees > this time. What kind of experience have ya'll had with these Russians? Are > they as gentle as the Italian? Are they good honey producers? Another > beekeeper told me to try them out...he's trying them too. Do I feed them > sugarwater or vodka? Article 29266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADAC8BB.9F02F0B6@diablo-ca.com> From: Mike Mascaro Organization: Diablo MicroSystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:21:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.212.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com 987416507 65.0.212.206 (Mon, 16 Apr 2001 03:21:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 03:21:47 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29266 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:279 Check out www.honeybee.com it's a San Francisco Site that has lots of stuff one local clubs and stuff. Bees are work, but they are so much fun. Good luck and let me know if you need anything. Mikey East Bay CA. p.s I don't treat for mites. (so far lost none) if the bees die in the winter I get a swarm for free and order a new queen. Swarms are great, the come pre loaded with honey and you don't need to feed them. =) Article 29267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: Vicky Rowe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for apiaries in NC Date: 16 Apr 2001 05:00:17 -0700 Organization: http://www.gotmead.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9bemsh012j3@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-617.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29267 I'm looking for apiairies here in NC. The National Honey Board list has just *two*, and I'm sure that there are lots more, and hoping I can find some good sources to buy honey to make mead. Any suggestions? Thanks! vicky rowe Vicky, da Meadwench "Mead is mad of honny and water boyled both togyther; yf it be fyred and pure, it preserveth helth; but it is not good for them the whiche have the Ilyache or the Colycke. - Andrew Borde, "The Regyment, or a Dyetary of Helth", 1542" Mad about mead? Visit GotMead at http://www.gotmead.com Article 29268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:57:21 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29268 If you have some basic woodworking tools and are so inclined, you can make your own woodware. The frames are probably the most difficult to make. There used to be (I haven't checked lately) plans for about everything at www.beesource.com. "Joe B." wrote in message news:tdke4go8fs868d@corp.supernews.com... > Yesterday I had the fortune (?) to collect a swarm from a friend. They are > in a paper-mache type box with a mis-matched group of frames. I don't have a > hive to put them in. Is there a site that tells how to build a hive or > should I try to buy one? I've seen a couple of prices on-line and they seem > expensive. All advice appreciated. > Dennis > > Article 29269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Apr 2001 14:21:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Sugar Syrup Message-ID: <20010416102146.02032.00000350@ng-mk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29269 Hi all Bill here First time beekeeper Question I haven't seen before, I'm waiting on my packages to arrive. Is it ok to make up sugar syrup,about 4 gal. in advance rather than wait for the packages, then make it? Starting out with 4 hives Two 3# packages and two 2# packages. I live in Southeast Michigan, any help greatly appreciated Thanks Bill Article 29270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: MaGa Subject: Feeding bees with honey X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e221223.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3ADB0B1F.75653109@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Workslaves'R'us X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:09:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (WinNT; U) Lines: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29270 Have any of you all used honey, like last years, to feed your bees? I have about a gallon or so in the bottom of my 5 gallon bucket that's started to crystalize. If you have, what ratio have you used? Article 29271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetles in package bees Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:11:47 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3ADB27D2.A0F32A76@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3AD50D59.79817975@mail.tqci.net> <3ad8b88c.465894524@news1.radix.net> <3ADA48A7.10020C20@mail.tqci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29271 Nitidulids (such as Ulus crassus) are common small beetles where I grew up (west of Phoenix, Arizona), and are basically harmless, so don't freak out yet. - John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona Christopher Drazba wrote: > I called him after I found another one of the critters on Tuesday. I > snapped > a close-up picture of it with my digital camera and emailed it to > him. He > said that it is definitely a Nitidula beetle which is the family that > Aethina > tumida belongs. He said that their taxonomist needs to examine it to > be > certain, but he's pretty sure that it is a SHB considering where I > found it. > The bee inspector is coming tomorrow to collect the sample beetle and > treat my hives. Article 29272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADB47BF.1013BEE0@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:27:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 987449313 147.25.198.43 (Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:28:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:28:33 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29272 "Mr. Dixon" wrote: > I bought the black Russian bees > this time. What kind of experience have ya'll had with these Russians? Are > they as gentle as the Italian? Are they good honey producers? I bought eight Russian queens a couple of weeks ago and checked their release this past weekend. They seem to have been accepted but it's a little too early to report on egg laying patterns or brood buildup, etc. They are a darker bee but I would not describe them as being "black" -- at least, as compared to most Caucasian queens I've seen. While I suspect that coloration has never been a genetic selection criteria with them, mine had a fairly dark brown body with three black bands or strips. They were introduced (via queen cage/candy plug) into a full hive where I had removed or killed the existing queen. I had been heavily feeding sugar syrup for about a week prior to introduction and of course, I made sure the cage was placed between frames containing brood. This year, I will not use Apistan strips and will allow these Russian bees to either make good on their advertised Varroa mite resistance....or not. Time will tell. As I understood from the breeder, he got very good honey crop yields last year from his Russian bees. He did not note any unusual aggressive tendencies from them. I think the broad experience base dealing with these queens will not begin to form a "collective opinion" of this bee until this year and next (simply because the Russian bees are so new to this country). Good luck with yours. At the end of the season, I would also like to read people's opinions and observations they've had with their Russian queen colonies. This would make a good database for comparing notes. Article 29273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package Bees Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_IIC6.6377$u23.564817@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:36:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.236.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 987453370 168.191.236.61 (Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:36:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:36:10 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:34:50 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29273 Is it to late to order package bees? If not, where do I order? Western Washington Darrell Article 29274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding bees with honey Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:40:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3ADB0B1F.75653109@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 987453640 nnrp-12:9082 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29274 In article <3ADB0B1F.75653109@NOTaol.com>, MaGa writes >Have any of you all used honey, like last years, to feed your bees? I >have about a gallon or so in the bottom of my 5 gallon bucket that's >started to crystalize. If you have, what ratio have you used? Assume your honey is 4 parts sugar and 1 part water. So, 5 pounds of honey needs another 3 pounds of water to make it 50:50. You can dilute it with 50:50 sugar syrup if you want. Be sure the colonies it came from are *definitely* free of AFB. We don't have it here - so far I have mixed the two to use up some honey not ideal for human use and make the sugar more like nectar. BTW you can liquefy your honey and use it. -- James Kilty Article 29275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADB6934.75EF1FBB@bsu.edu> From: "Dale A. Scheidler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees References: <3ADB47BF.1013BEE0@raytheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:50:45 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.50 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 987457782 147.226.103.50 (Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:49:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:49:42 EST Organization: Ball St. U. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29275 I only had 1 in 4 Russian queens accepted last spring. The one colony was as productive as my Carniolan and Italian bees. They were gentle in behavior. From my reading, there was supposed to be dark and a light strain of Russian queen among the released breeders. I believe that my queen is from the lighter strain. Larry Farris wrote: > "Mr. Dixon" wrote: > > > I bought the black Russian bees > > this time. What kind of experience have ya'll had with these Russians? Are > > they as gentle as the Italian? Are they good honey producers? > > I bought eight Russian queens a couple of weeks ago > and checked their release this past weekend. They > seem to have been accepted but it's a little too early > to report on egg laying patterns or brood buildup, etc. > They are a darker bee but I would not describe them > as being "black" -- at least, as compared to most > Caucasian queens I've seen. While I suspect that coloration > has never been a genetic selection criteria with them, mine > had a fairly dark brown body with three black bands or > strips. They were introduced (via queen cage/candy plug) > into a full hive where I had removed or killed the existing > queen. I had been heavily feeding sugar syrup for about a > week prior to introduction and of course, I made sure > the cage was placed between frames containing brood. > > This year, I will not use Apistan strips and will allow > these Russian bees to either make good on their advertised > Varroa mite resistance....or not. Time will tell. > > As I understood from the breeder, he got very good > honey crop yields last year from his Russian bees. > He did not note any unusual aggressive tendencies > from them. I think the broad experience base > dealing with these queens will not begin to form a > "collective opinion" of this bee until this year and > next (simply because the Russian bees are so new > to this country). Good luck with yours. > > At the end of the season, I would also like to read > people's opinions and observations they've had with > their Russian queen colonies. This would make a > good database for comparing notes. Article 29276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: MaGa Subject: Re: Feeding bees with honey X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e221223.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3ADB74DC.509B399D@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Workslaves'R'us X-Accept-Language: en References: <3ADB0B1F.75653109@NOTaol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:40:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (WinNT; U) Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29276 Thanks. I do heat it up to liquify for myself. I think I'll make two types, and see what the bees like.. James Kilty wrote: > > In article <3ADB0B1F.75653109@NOTaol.com>, MaGa > writes > >Have any of you all used honey, like last years, to feed your bees? I > >have about a gallon or so in the bottom of my 5 gallon bucket that's > >started to crystalize. If you have, what ratio have you used? > Assume your honey is 4 parts sugar and 1 part water. So, 5 pounds of > honey needs another 3 pounds of water to make it 50:50. You can dilute > it with 50:50 sugar syrup if you want. Be sure the colonies it came from > are *definitely* free of AFB. We don't have it here - so far I have > mixed the two to use up some honey not ideal for human use and make the > sugar more like nectar. BTW you can liquefy your honey and use it. > -- > James Kilty Article 29277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: MaGa Subject: Re: Feeding bees with honey X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e221223.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3ADB7508.E7CE4CF5@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Workslaves'R'us X-Accept-Language: en References: <3ADB0B1F.75653109@NOTaol.com> <3ADB53E5.62053B62@arkansas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:41:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (WinNT; U) Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29277 Thanks. My bees only drink socially ;) "H. Rogers" wrote: > > Howdy MaGa-- > > I fed about 40 gallons of last year's honey which had granulated. > I ran it through one cycle in the dishwasher set on high and hot. > I fed it "as is" with no dilution. They took it fine and built up fast > for spring splits. I started feeding it Feb 1. Remember that honey > diluted with water ferments easily. The bees might like mead, but I did > not want to chance it. Some containers did some granulating on cold > nights and had to be re-melted. It was a nuisance to get liquefied and > keep it that way to feed back. > > Pete > ******************************* Article 29278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: MaGa Subject: Re: Package Bees X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e221223.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3ADB813C.67C28EAF@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Workslaves'R'us X-Accept-Language: en References: <_IIC6.6377$u23.564817@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:33:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (WinNT; U) Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29278 Here in Western Washington, you can contact Jean at the Beez Neez in Snohomish. Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > Is it to late to order package bees? If not, where do I > order? > Western Washington > Darrell Article 29279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Want to buy hive body or supers in Ga. Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:09:33 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3adce717.20261194@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.16.7c X-Server-Date: 17 Apr 2001 01:16:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29279 Just womdering if any locals on here were interested in selling some some deep supers to be used for brood chambers actually. I just got two hives setup and they are about to fill their bottom chamber. Article 29280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding bees with honey Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:19:49 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ADB53E5.62053B62@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3ADB0B1F.75653109@NOTaol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29280 Howdy MaGa-- I fed about 40 gallons of last year's honey which had granulated. I ran it through one cycle in the dishwasher set on high and hot. I fed it "as is" with no dilution. They took it fine and built up fast for spring splits. I started feeding it Feb 1. Remember that honey diluted with water ferments easily. The bees might like mead, but I did not want to chance it. Some containers did some granulating on cold nights and had to be re-melted. It was a nuisance to get liquefied and keep it that way to feed back. Pete ******************************* Article 29281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:22:34 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ADB548A.8319BF51@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20010416102146.02032.00000350@ng-mk1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29281 Howdy Bill -- You don't have to wait till the last minute to mix your syrup. Mix a Tbsp of Chlorox in each gallon of syrup to inhibit formation of black mold. Store in a cool place. Pete ************************** BillsHsFrm wrote: > Hi all Bill here First time beekeeper Question I haven't seen before, I'm > waiting on my packages to arrive. Is it ok to make up sugar syrup,about 4 gal. > in advance rather than wait for the packages, then make it? Starting out with 4 > hives Two 3# packages and two 2# packages. I live in Southeast Michigan, any > help greatly appreciated Thanks Bill Article 29282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:27:37 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ADB55B9.B2478212@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29282 Howdy Dennis -- Do not try making your hive unless you are mighty adept with shop tools and equipment. Buy seconds or commercial grade hive and save your fingers. If you know a beekeeper, you might be ok to buy a cull hive and repair and paint it. I'm not scared to death of used equipment if the parts are boiled in lye water (l lb in 5 gals water). This makes it easier to clean the equipment, too. Pete ********************************** "Joe B." wrote: > Yesterday I had the fortune (?) to collect a swarm from a friend. They are > in a paper-mache type box with a mis-matched group of frames. I don't have a > hive to put them in. Is there a site that tells how to build a hive or > should I try to buy one? I've seen a couple of prices on-line and they seem > expensive. All advice appreciated. > Dennis Article 29283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.gtei.net.MISMATCH!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADC7601.5595F9D2@raytheon.com> From: Larry Farris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD {RSC} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Wanna "bee" beekeeper, revisited... References: <9932sr$p83$1@news.chatlink.com> <20010318233021.05382.00000093@ng-fm1.aol.com> <99440q$6gl$2@news.chatlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:57:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 987526682 147.25.198.43 (Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:58:02 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:58:02 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29283 Don Bruder wrote: > finally, I think I've come up with the answer... > Cocoons. Yep! That was going to be my first guess but the situation you described in finding the old, grungy melted wax in, made it very difficult to give a clear answer. If you're still worried about AFB (and with old, used equipment, it's always a concern), I'd recommend trashing any and all foundation and using one of the small hand-held propane torches to lightly char the inside walls of the boxes. Whether to spend time trying to clean up the frames in order to salvage them, only you can determine if it's worth your time. I have frequently found that just buying and putting together new frames is much less time consuming than trying to clean old (and potentially AFB infested) frames. If you want to try and clean the frames, I'd recommend using a hot (outdoor) lye bath. Use hot water (close to boiling), heated by gas or charcoal and lye and a new toilet brush. This is the fastest way to clean many frames at one time. [Be very careful in dealing with the hot lye bath -- use rubber gloves and eye protection!!!] The last thing to stress in using old equipment is to make sure you treat with Terramycin (even if you've never treated before - do so now). Obviously throw away all the plastic trash! Article 29284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:45:20 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3ADC7320.1FA12CA5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29284 "Joe B." wrote: > Thanks for the advise, I got a box from a local beekeeper to get me started. > Now I can take my time building more frames and boxes as the hive grows > (hopefully). I do appreciate the help, now for the learning curve... :) > Dennis Hint #1: Always light your smoker first. (;-) John Edwards, USDA Bee Lab, Tucson, Arizona Article 29285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Peter Hawkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old combs Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:00:32 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9bi0g8$50p$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-31-197.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29285 Last year we were given an old hive containing a very strong colony in 1 and a half brood boxes. We got a good amount of honey off it and the colony is strong healthy and docile. A couple of weeks ago (when we mistakenly thought spring had arrived here in Aberdeen) we dismantled the hive to give it a good clean. The top half brood chamber was absolutely packed with sealed brood, pollen and honey store but the bottom full sized brood box was absolutely 100% empty - nothing in it at all..... Our plan is to reverse the chambers so that the colony moves back into the full sized chamber but the old combs are very black and highly polished. Can I re-use this comb or should I throw it out and put in new foundations? Thanks Article 29286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: MaGa Subject: Re: Feeding bees with honey X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e221223.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3ADC93B9.2AD32546@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Workslaves'R'us X-Accept-Language: en References: <3ADB0B1F.75653109@NOTaol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:04:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (WinNT; U) Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29286 I don't think it's silly. I do sell some honey. I usually only have 1 to 3 hives a year, depending on how much work I feel like doing. This honey has really chrystalized, so I'm just using the honey, instead of buying something ans spending the money. And at the moment I only have the one hive, so cost to me isn't important. I'm turning the rest of what I'm not going to feed the hive into mead.... Which is the purpose I have the hives to start with, making beer and meads. Bee Charmer wrote: > > This might be a silly question, but why would you want to feed honey, which > can be sold at 2.00-3.25 lb, when corn syrup, currently .13 lb, can be fed? > > chris > www.greathoney.com Article 29287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding bees with honey Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:32:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ADB0B1F.75653109@NOTaol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29287 This might be a silly question, but why would you want to feed honey, which can be sold at 2.00-3.25 lb, when corn syrup, currently .13 lb, can be fed? chris www.greathoney.com Article 29288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news-in-austin.nuthinbutnews.com!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Bob Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A question on building my own bodies... Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 7:51:01 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01HW.B701A665000368760EB0A0D0@nntp.wilkes.net> References: <2m6o6.2$FQ3.702@monger.newsread.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.216.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 987507872 321809 207.144.216.48 (17 Apr 2001 11:44:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:44:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.5 (Macintosh) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29288 Our company uses pine or cypress in construction of all our wooden ware. It's lighter and easier to work. Painting or finishing is the most important step in protection of your equipment. Use a high quality exterior paint, stain or finish. Bob Jones Miller Bee Supply http://www.millerbeesupply.com Article 29289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Joe B." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:23:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29289 Thanks for the advise, I got a box from a local beekeeper to get me started. Now I can take my time building more frames and boxes as the hive grows (hopefully). I do appreciate the help, now for the learning curve... :) Dennis "Joe B." wrote in message news:tdke4go8fs868d@corp.supernews.com... > Yesterday I had the fortune (?) to collect a swarm from a friend. They are > in a paper-mache type box with a mis-matched group of frames. I don't have a > hive to put them in. Is there a site that tells how to build a hive or > should I try to buy one? I've seen a couple of prices on-line and they seem > expensive. All advice appreciated. > Dennis > > Article 29290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!verio.MISMATCH!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADC39CA.65E0B122@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup References: <20010416102146.02032.00000350@ng-mk1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:40:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.193 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 987511453 216.224.203.193 (Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:44:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:44:13 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29290 What ratio of sugar to water do you use? I'm a newbie too, waiting on my bees... Taylor BillsHsFrm wrote: > > Hi all Bill here First time beekeeper Question I haven't seen before, I'm > waiting on my packages to arrive. Is it ok to make up sugar syrup,about 4 gal. > in advance rather than wait for the packages, then make it? Starting out with 4 > hives Two 3# packages and two 2# packages. I live in Southeast Michigan, any > help greatly appreciated Thanks Bill Article 29291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:18:26 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ADCA511.7009158@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20010416102146.02032.00000350@ng-mk1.aol.com> <3ADC39CA.65E0B122@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29291 Howdy Taylor -- Fall feeding for winter storage: Make it as concentrated as possible. Mix boiling water with the sugar or mix and stir while heating overa low flame until all is dissolved. For spring build up: A quick and simple way is to fill your container half full of HOT water, then add sugar and stir till container is full. I use gallon wide mouth jars from restaurants for a small number of hives. Pete Taylor Francis wrote: > What ratio of sugar to water do you use? I'm a newbie too, waiting on > my bees... > Taylor > > BillsHsFrm wrote: > > > > Hi all Bill here First time beekeeper Question I haven't seen before, I'm > > waiting on my packages to arrive. Is it ok to make up sugar syrup,about 4 gal. > > in advance rather than wait for the packages, then make it? Starting out with 4 > > hives Two 3# packages and two 2# packages. I live in Southeast Michigan, any > > help greatly appreciated Thanks Bill Article 29292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:38:54 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010416102146.02032.00000350@ng-mk1.aol.com> <3ADC39CA.65E0B122@yahoo.com> <3ADCA511.7009158@arkansas.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29292 I have been making up my syrup in old 1.5Ltr bottles (coke). Could not use all the syrup from last Autum before it got too cold. Stored the rest in my shed over winter. Laster fine. 1 Lb to 1.5 pints. >> BillsHsFrm wrote: >> > >> > Hi all Bill here First time beekeeper Question I haven't seen before, I'm >> > waiting on my packages to arrive. Is it ok to make up sugar syrup,about 4 gal. >> > in advance rather than wait for the packages, then make it? Starting out with 4 >> > hives Two 3# packages and two 2# packages. I live in Southeast Michigan, any >> > help greatly appreciated Thanks Bill Article 29293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old combs Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:43:13 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <15epdtke7ef2ujq9tqkcp3cm5jvpst79bj@4ax.com> References: <9bi0g8$50p$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29293 I expect you may get different suggestions here but I would feel replace it whilst you can. As far as I understand it it is advisable to replace all brood combs over a period of time. On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:00:32 +0100, "Peter Hawkey" wrote: >Last year we were given an old hive containing a very strong colony in 1 and >a half brood boxes. We got a good amount of honey off it and the colony is >strong healthy and docile. A couple of weeks ago (when we mistakenly thought >spring had arrived here in Aberdeen) we dismantled the hive to give it a >good clean. The top half brood chamber was absolutely packed with sealed >brood, pollen and honey store but the bottom full sized brood box was >absolutely 100% empty - nothing in it at all..... > >Our plan is to reverse the chambers so that the colony moves back into the >full sized chamber but the old combs are very black and highly polished. Can >I re-use this comb or should I throw it out and put in new foundations? > >Thanks > Article 29294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: David Schneider Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question for California Beekeepers Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:57:07 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ADCCA43.5C10F186@bryder.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29294 I have a question about the California Buckeye and bees. I understand that the pollen from this tree is toxic to bees. One of my hives is located about 200 feet from a 15 foot tall Buckeye tree which is getting ready to bloom. Do I need to worry? Should I move my hive until the tree calms down? Thanks for any advice you have. - Dave Article 29295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:20:50 GMT References: <3ADCCA43.5C10F186@bryder.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Question for California Beekeepers Message-ID: <20010417192050.06597.00000154@nso-ce.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29295 In article <3ADCCA43.5C10F186@bryder.net>, David Schneider writes: > >I have a question about the California Buckeye and bees. I understand >that the pollen from this tree is toxic to bees. One of my hives is >located about 200 feet from a 15 foot tall Buckeye tree which is getting >ready to bloom. Do I need to worry? Should I move my hive until the tree >calms down? Thanks for any advice you have. > I had a considerable loss on the Salinas River (California, 1973) due to California Buckeye. There are several varieties of Buckeye, as I have learned here in Texas (Central Hill Country) these days. The buckeye here seems not to be a problem. The tree is of different form, I suspect a varietal difference, but I do not know that for certain. I know the blooming periods are different, more than I think the climate causes. The Buckeyes here are blooming today. Bob Pursley Article 29296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:43:16 GMT References: <20010414095441.19952.00000152@ng-fq1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: nasty hive Message-ID: <20010417194316.07289.00000509@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29296 >The less field bees you have in the boxes you requeen the more easier they >accept the new queen. > Which one are nasty? The one in the hive or the field bees? How come the Queen alway get the blame? Was she on PMS? Article 29297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.132!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 24 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:56:39 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Message-ID: <20010417195639.26725.00000522@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29297 From: "CharlesW" charlesw@asminc.net > The other thing to note is that it is not necessary to paint the inside of >the woodware. The bees will propalise the inside and basically seal it. Some >people do paint it I guess, but I think it is better all around not to do >it. When wood is painted outside only, it has a strong tendency to warp, especially the boards from the outside of the log. I've seen such boards actually pull nails by cupping so badly. Then the boxes are loose and the frames fall thru. But when you paint both inner and outer surfaces, you equalize the vapor movement in the wood, and warping simply doesn't happen. I've got a bunch of supers that were dipped over 20 years ago. They are made of a cheap grade of pine, and do have some other problems, but every one is just as straight as a board can be. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Apr 2001 00:08:44 GMT References: <9bemsh012j3@drn.newsguy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for apiaries in NC Message-ID: <20010417200844.26725.00000523@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29298 >I'm looking for apiairies here in NC. The National Honey Board list has >just *two*, and I'm sure that there are lots more, and hoping I can find >some good sources to buy honey to make mead. > There are some pollinators listed at: http://pollinator.com/nc_pollinators.htm but I'm sure they also have honey. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Liability insurance for hobby Lines: 19 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:41:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 987554502 12.73.40.6 (Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:41:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:41:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29299 I am wondering what the hobbyists of the group (in the US) do for liability insurance. I got a quote today from Howalt-McDowell and their cheapest policy is $385 USD. All I want is to cover myself for the idiot kid that goes hive-tipping and runs to Mama litigator when he gets stung and product liability for selling honey. Since I have a couple of hives on someone's property, the homeowners policy won't cover the liability. Selling honey also apparently falls into a gray area for general liability on the homeowners. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Article 29300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal2.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Lenny Taylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Legal Question. . . Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:35:17 -0700 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 8 Message-ID: <00B738529D42250F.05085A9074D6B26A.04BAE1431215D734@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <3ADD0B75.4574E542@netzero.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Apr 17 22:30:09 2001 NNTP-Posting-Host: !Wf,C1k-W+i[EJ&.6L9a2`W?m (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29300 I just set up a beehive in my parents back yard in suburban Sacramento County. I was assured that there were no legal issues involved, but I am not sure where I would even go to get an official answer. Any guidance from the group would be appreciated. The last time I owned a hive was fifteen years ago in Colorado. Thanks in advance. Article 29301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "CompostKing" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> <3ADAC8BB.9F02F0B6@diablo-ca.com> Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <8t8D6.3460$Uu6.331708@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 04:10:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.9.205.73 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 987567044 208.9.205.73 (Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:10:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:10:44 EDT Organization: Delaware On Line (dol.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29301 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:280 Two of my hives showed no signs of a queen. No brood, but a lotta bees. I re-queened them today with York, Midnight queens. It is cold here in Maryland..the next few days may fall into the upper twenties. the queens have been installed, do I have to worry? Are they going to freeze to death? Eight hours after I installed the queens I put my ear on the primary box's and the bees sounded content..humming...Any comments? Or such? thank you...Ed Mike Mascaro wrote in message news:3ADAC8BB.9F02F0B6@diablo-ca.com... > > > Check out www.honeybee.com it's a San Francisco Site that has lots of > stuff one local clubs and stuff. Bees are work, but they are so much > fun. > Good luck and let me know if you need anything. > > Mikey > East Bay CA. > > p.s I don't treat for mites. (so far lost none) if the bees die in the > winter I get a swarm for free and order a new queen. Swarms are great, > the come pre loaded with honey and you don't need to feed them. =) > > Article 29302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <00B738529D42250F.05085A9074D6B26A.04BAE1431215D734@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: Legal Question. . . Lines: 30 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <1xiD6.5798$hH3.537073@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:37:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.43.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 987608253 12.73.43.65 (Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:37:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:37:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29302 Within the city limits, you are allowed 2 hives. There are no requirements for registering them but there are some parameters for distance from neighbors property, etc. My call several years ago to the city revealed that the distance requirements are largely overlooked as they would make it nearly impossible to have a hive in the city. In the unincorporated area outside the city limits I am not sure of the requirements but I believe that it is more restrictive oddly enough. A quick call to the County Ag extension should answer your question, or try Fred Stewart at Sacramento Beekeeping supply (916) 451-2337. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Lenny Taylor" wrote in message news:00B738529D42250F.05085A9074D6B26A.04BAE1431215D734@lp.airnews.net... > I just set up a beehive in my parents back yard in suburban Sacramento > County. I was assured that there were no legal issues involved, but I > am not sure where I would even go to get an official answer. Any > guidance from the group would be appreciated. The last time I owned a > hive was fifteen years ago in Colorado. > > Thanks in advance. > Article 29303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legal Question. . . Message-ID: References: <00B738529D42250F.05085A9074D6B26A.04BAE1431215D734@lp.airnews.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:39:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.105.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 987597551 4.33.105.61 (Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:39:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:39:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:37:51 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29303 Lenny Taylor wrote: >I just set up a beehive in my parents back yard in suburban Sacramento >County. I was assured that there were no legal issues involved, but I >am not sure where I would even go to get an official answer. Any >guidance from the group would be appreciated. The last time I owned a >hive was fifteen years ago in Colorado. > >Thanks in advance. Most local libraries have a copy of the local legal codes in their reference section. I had to check several parts of my local codes to feel comfortable, including the code on restrictions of numbers and types of livestock and pets, and also the "nuisance law" part, even though it was intended more for barking dogs and loud radios. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 29304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old combs Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:54:02 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9bi0g8$50p$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> <15epdtke7ef2ujq9tqkcp3cm5jvpst79bj@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 38 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29304 When the combs are really black, they are probably really heavy as well. This is because each new bee leaves a thin layer of cacoon in the cell. Over time each cell actually becomes smaller in diameter, therefore each new generation of bee also gets slightly smaller, and the cell cannot hold as much pollen or honey for the bee's stores. I've heard that it is best to cycle out comb every 4 years or so. Sounds reasonable to me. "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:15epdtke7ef2ujq9tqkcp3cm5jvpst79bj@4ax.com... > I expect you may get different suggestions here but I would feel > replace it whilst you can. As far as I understand it it is advisable > to replace all brood combs over a period of time. > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:00:32 +0100, "Peter Hawkey" > wrote: > > >Last year we were given an old hive containing a very strong colony in 1 and > >a half brood boxes. We got a good amount of honey off it and the colony is > >strong healthy and docile. A couple of weeks ago (when we mistakenly thought > >spring had arrived here in Aberdeen) we dismantled the hive to give it a > >good clean. The top half brood chamber was absolutely packed with sealed > >brood, pollen and honey store but the bottom full sized brood box was > >absolutely 100% empty - nothing in it at all..... > > > >Our plan is to reverse the chambers so that the colony moves back into the > >full sized chamber but the old combs are very black and highly polished. Can > >I re-use this comb or should I throw it out and put in new foundations? > > > >Thanks > > > Article 29305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Apr 2001 13:00:45 GMT References: <3ADC93B9.2AD32546@NOTaol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Feeding bees with honey Message-ID: <20010418090045.15288.00000668@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29305 I get 10 bucks a quart for honey. Old honey and honey I find not the best tasting gets fed back. Nobody complains avbout my price. Were my honey just the run of the mill it would be just another 60 cent a pound commodity. I feed sugar also. Article 29306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Apr 2001 02:41:22 GMT References: <00B738529D42250F.05085A9074D6B26A.04BAE1431215D734@lp.airnews.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Legal Question. . . Message-ID: <20010418224122.16640.00000040@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29306 >I just set up a beehive in my parents back yard in suburban Sacramento >County. Urban and suburban beekeeper resources at: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADEB15E.56DCBEBA@diablo-ca.com> From: Mike Mascaro Organization: Diablo MicroSystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:31:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.212.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com 987672717 65.0.212.206 (Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:31:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:31:57 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29307 Yes. They work a little to well. I have used the swarm lures to trap AHB in Las Vegas and in the SF. Bay Area (normal bees) you want to put them in a nuc or box and in a place were they get a little bit of sun. Check them often. And they smell like lemon pledge. =) Not sure how long they last though. it seem like the work all summer or until they dry out. I'm also trying the queen pheromones to catch the stragglers after I remove the swarm, I'll let you know how that works. Mikey Oliver Frank wrote: > Has anyone had any success with those pheromone swarm lures ? Article 29308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:49:42 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3ADF1726.C9B6529F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3ADEB15E.56DCBEBA@diablo-ca.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29308 > Oliver Frank wrote: > > Has anyone had any success with those pheromone swarm lures ? I'm not sure how you define "success". After the pheromone mix and delivery system (a certain type of small plastic vial, allowing slow release of the odors) was developed at this lab by Dr. Justin Schmidt, it has been tested worldwide, and, in conjunction with Dr. Schmidt's swarm trap design, is by far the most effective method of trapping free-flying swarms. This system is in extensive use trapping swarms of africanized bees, resulting in about 10,000 swarm captures per year in the Tucson area alone. The pheromone lures, when filled to 0.1 ml, last a full summer season in Tucson, with heat to 110 degrees. This is an example of a government research project which has done exactly what it set out to do, that is, to develop a more effective method for trapping free-flying swarms. ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 29309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mating Flight Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:25:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29309 Hey Group, Well, the observation hive is still doing well. I had a queen successfully emerge and has killed two that have emerged since. There are still 6 or so more still being held in their cells by the workers. I assume that this is an effort to kill them, but if it is not I would assume they will die sooner or later. In the mean time, they are "piping" quite loudly! I had hoped to get to hear this, but I did not realize they would be quite so loud. If the house is quiet, I can hear them throughout most of the house. When several sound off all at once it reminds me of the sounds chickens make when they are content in the yard. There can be quite a chorus at times. I have a few questions for those of you who have long experience: 1) The queen emerged last Sunday (15th), and I have read that she should go on her mating flight 5-6 days after emergance. Unfortunately, the weather is going to be less than ideal the next few days. Will she wait for good weather to fly? If so, how long? 2) If she flies and is not mated for any reason, will she fly again later to try again? 3) I have seen plenty of drones in my hives (including the observation hive), but they don't seem to get out much. When the queen leaves to fly, will she cause the drones to follow her out, or does she just have to get lucky and find some who decided to fly at the same time? If this is the case, it seem that it would be quite easy for her not to get mated. Thanks in advance for any light you might shed, Charles Article 29310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 20 Apr 2001 01:56:53 GMT References: <3ae0c552.797558@news.mindspring.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Where is that link to hear queens piping? Message-ID: <20010419215653.08909.00000175@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29310 From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) >I cant find that link that i went to a couple of days ago to listen to >queens piping can someone post it again >Thanks http://kutikshoney.com/nucs/piping.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: John's Beekeeping Notebook Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:19:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.255 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 987733152 4.33.104.255 (Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:19:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:19:12 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:17:50 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29311 My web site has found a NEW home that allows more beekeeping photos: http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/ Topic include: -- Observation beehives -- Beekeeping history -- Queen rearing using the cell-plug method -- Beekeeping in the Fiji Islands -- Top bar hive beekeeping -- Beekeeping tips & how I keep bees -- A beekeeping trip report from Ukraine -- Some great beekeeping web links Please excuse the shameless self-promotion, but my prior web host simply shut down my old site without warning when it reached the allowable traffic limit, so I had to move. I'll be separately contacting web sites linking to mine, and search engines. Please visit while you're browsing the web for beekeeping! Cheers, John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 29312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADF9060.560597F9@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup References: <20010416102146.02032.00000350@ng-mk1.aol.com> <3ADC39CA.65E0B122@yahoo.com> <3ADCA511.7009158@arkansas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 X-Trace: /wzbxY47nGQP+xP52p4q2lFlabstOH+K4Am5bGMPyE2Y8PODTVXsdXKnciwwAmM3Kkc2vUOXOgA4!Oi47rg+fZSHVcmMviyj7M6tbEoaq4Y+XTYejWeAlhWKnvnQRp8pZY3BfVruECg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:28:14 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:28:14 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29312 Spring- one pound sugar to one pint water Steven Newport wrote: > I have been making up my syrup in old 1.5Ltr bottles (coke). Could not > use all the syrup from last Autum before it got too cold. Stored the > rest in my shed over winter. Laster fine. 1 Lb to 1.5 pints. > > >> BillsHsFrm wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi all Bill here First time beekeeper Question I haven't seen before, I'm > >> > waiting on my packages to arrive. Is it ok to make up sugar syrup,about 4 gal. > >> > in advance rather than wait for the packages, then make it? Starting out with 4 > >> > hives Two 3# packages and two 2# packages. I live in Southeast Michigan, any > >> > help greatly appreciated Thanks Bill Article 29313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Increasing Hive Strength Lines: 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:40:24 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-iVf2HwGHIhL/kDOLfUoa5200CCp+R1mgrey2ZN04g5Y3ir/lfi2HX1/JEULHceS/tyvz106rlX2L3Ki!BWukJzu/UJzrlgNhE8kgH/Y6CO7FLMk283wqvu2rMuHIgMcsfr79RQXBv9u/xIbq7vDUJzJG52Jj!+3iP1To= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:29:45 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29313 I'm located in Texas at the western base of the Panhandle - cotton country. After installing ten 3# packages of bees on April the 5th, one colony seems pretty weak. The queen is ok, and she is laying, but population is small. I also have two very strong colonies. If I give the weak colony a frame of brood from one of the stronger ones, should the brood be capped and do I need to remove all the bees from the frame before I put it into the weak colony? Will this help, or should I just wait a while? -- Mark If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) Article 29314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADEB0C5.3BFD9427@diablo-ca.com> From: Mike Mascaro Organization: Diablo MicroSystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees References: <3ADB47BF.1013BEE0@raytheon.com> <3ADB6934.75EF1FBB@bsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:29:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.212.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com 987672563 65.0.212.206 (Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:29:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:29:23 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29314 My bee's are a dark color with 3 gray bands. I have notice Varroa on the on the bees and I'm seeing wing deformations on a few bees, But if that wasn't there I would have a problem, there are some many bees in the hive. I have just put two more medium boxes on them. and it's only April.. =) Mikey. "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > I only had 1 in 4 Russian queens accepted last spring. The one colony was as > productive as my Carniolan and Italian bees. They were gentle in behavior. From > my reading, there was supposed to be dark and a light strain of Russian queen > among the released breeders. I believe that my queen is from the lighter strain. > > Larry Farris wrote: > Article 29315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ADEB320.553EC2C3@diablo-ca.com> From: Mike Mascaro Organization: Diablo MicroSystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question for California Beekeepers References: <3ADCCA43.5C10F186@bryder.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:39:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.212.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com 987673170 65.0.212.206 (Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:39:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:39:30 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29315 Buckeye in this area is not a preferred food for your bees so you should be ok, as long as other things are blooming in the area. I have never had any problems with buckeye, only heard stories. Mikey David Schneider wrote: > I have a question about the California Buckeye and bees. I understand > that the pollen from this tree is toxic to bees. One of my hives is > located about 200 feet from a 15 foot tall Buckeye tree which is getting > ready to bloom. Do I need to worry? Should I move my hive until the tree > calms down? Thanks for any advice you have. > > - Dave Article 29316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question for California Beekeepers Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:14:41 -0400 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9bmkrt$a3bov$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3ADCCA43.5C10F186@bryder.net> <3ADEB320.553EC2C3@diablo-ca.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 987682493 10596127 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29316 Here in Ohio we have large numbers of Buckeye Trees and I haven't seen or heard any issues regarding them. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Mike Mascaro" wrote in message news:3ADEB320.553EC2C3@diablo-ca.com... > Buckeye in this area is not a preferred food for your bees so you should be > ok, as long as other things are blooming in the area. I have never had any > problems with buckeye, only heard stories. > > Mikey > > David Schneider wrote: > > > I have a question about the California Buckeye and bees. I understand > > that the pollen from this tree is toxic to bees. One of my hives is > > located about 200 feet from a 15 foot tall Buckeye tree which is getting > > ready to bloom. Do I need to worry? Should I move my hive until the tree > > calms down? Thanks for any advice you have. > > > > - Dave > Article 29317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Increasing Hive Strength Lines: 32 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:45:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 987734711 12.73.40.128 (Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:45:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:45:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29317 Like your sig line says, just swap the location of the weak hive with that of a strong one. Do it in the afternoon when there are a lot of foragers out. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Me" wrote in message news:csMD6.168007$lj4.5011697@news6.giganews.com... > I'm located in Texas at the western base of the Panhandle - cotton country. > After installing ten 3# packages of bees on April the 5th, one colony seems > pretty weak. The queen is ok, and she is laying, but population is small. > I also have two very strong colonies. If I give the weak colony a frame of > brood from one of the stronger ones, should the brood be capped and do I > need to remove all the bees from the frame before I put it into the weak > colony? Will this help, or should I just wait a while? > -- > Mark > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > Article 29318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: Vicky Rowe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for apiaries in NC Date: 19 Apr 2001 18:36:57 -0700 Organization: http://www.gotmead.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9bo3rp017c7@drn.newsguy.com> References: <9bemsh012j3@drn.newsguy.com> <20010417200844.26725.00000523@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-557.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29318 In article <20010417200844.26725.00000523@ng-da1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam says... > >>I'm looking for apiairies here in NC. The National Honey Board list has >>just *two*, and I'm sure that there are lots more, and hoping I can find >>some good sources to buy honey to make mead. >> > >There are some pollinators listed at: http://pollinator.com/nc_pollinators.htm >but I'm sure they also have honey. > Thanks! I'll check it out..... Vicky, da Meadwench "Mead is mad of honny and water boyled both togyther; yf it be fyred and pure, it preserveth helth; but it is not good for them the whiche have the Ilyache or the Colycke. - Andrew Borde, "The Regyment, or a Dyetary of Helth", 1542" Mad about mead? Visit GotMead at http://www.gotmead.com Article 29319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!cabal11.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Lenny Taylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legal Question. . . Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:28:42 -0700 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 16 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <3ADFACEA.51C8CEF2@netzero.net> References: <00B738529D42250F.05085A9074D6B26A.04BAE1431215D734@lp.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Apr 19 22:22:13 2001 NNTP-Posting-Host: !c=bZ1k-W+N[Zh..6L9a2`WA8 (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29319 Thanks to all. I ended up calling both the State and County. In the part of town where I am, there are virtually no requirements for the hobbyist. I appreciate the helpful inputs. Lenny Lenny Taylor wrote: > I just set up a beehive in my parents back yard in suburban Sacramento > County. I was assured that there were no legal issues involved, but I > am not sure where I would even go to get an official answer. Any > guidance from the group would be appreciated. The last time I owned a > hive was fifteen years ago in Colorado. > > Thanks in advance. Article 29320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring feeding From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <6U1fPBATY516Ewv4@kilty.demon.co.uk> <3ad7b82c@news.turbotek.net> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 04:34:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 987741270 198.161.229.188 (Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:34:30 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:34:30 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29320 I read on sci.agriculture.beekeeping: >It takes about 40 days >after emerging for a worker to begin foraging duties. Are you sure about that? allen Article 29321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3ADEB15E.56DCBEBA@diablo-ca.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 43 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:40:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 987756012 209.204.149.223 (Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:40:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:40:12 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29321 In article , Barry Birkey wrote: > If this is true, do not all of our bees have the AHB gene? Why does the AHB > influence get such a bad rap? I'd love to have the bees that the Lusby's > keep as they are very productive and I did not find them to be at all > "unusual" in their behavior. Can you shed some light on this? It seems to this rookie that, much like much bikers, "killer" bees suffer from an overdose of media-hysteria, taking flack as a group for the (relatively) rare misbehavior of a few non-representative (and frequently downright abberant) individuals. I'm not discounting the accepted fact that AHBs are generally more territorial/aggressive when aroused than "regular" bees, but it seems to me that most of the "KILLER BEES!!!" threat exists mainly as a newspaper headline than any tangible threat. "Hell's Angels Kill man at Altamont rock concert" is a big scary headline. Lots more impressive than "Hell's Angels' Xmas Toy Run a huge success" is ever gonna be. Where is each of these headlines going to appear, and where? Which one is the more common real-life occurence, though? Same goes for AHB... "Killer Bee Threat: swarm kills local grandmother, infant grandson hospitalized" will be on the front page, in letters two inches tall, and it'll be the lead story on the local 10 o'clock news, but "Local man's Africanized Honeybees producing twice as much honey as standard strains" is going to be buried in the back of section C, if it gets printed at all, and will most likely only show up (if at all) in broadcast media as a 30 second blurb during the 4AM farm report. So which one is going to be discussed to death at the local scarf-n-barf? You got it... Go figure... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 29322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Cudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Mating Flight Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:40:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.213.70 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 987773925 209.245.213.70 (Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:38:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:38:45 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29322 Posting my reply to Greg in Houston, TX My son and I are in Spring, TX and recently caught a nice swarm. They had been in the new hive we made for them for about 10 days when we examined the frames for eggs. None found. We thought the queen had probably already mated, but after reading your post, maybe she still needs to go on some more flights. Robert http://beetalk.tripod.com CharlesW wrote in message news:te0c4an4ho9990@corp.supernews.com... > This was posted by Greg: > > I am commenting on the workers holding up the piping queens. In a book I am > reading, it says that the workers do this so they can keep the queen from > killing the new ones. Then, they urge the queen to swarming. They will > repeatedly do this (we've all heard of afterswarms) until they judge that > the remaining colony is small enough. > > I understand that bees will await good weather, which is the explanation for > mass swarming on the first good day (swarms cooped up in waiting). > > I understand that a virgin queen does not make a single flight, but many, > and probably over multiple days. I was originally under the impression that > it was a single flight, but reading does improve my comprehension. > > Most matings occur far from the hive, which would assist in the new queen > not breeding with drones that are so closely related. > > I am envious of your observation hive and experience. One day.... :-) > > -Greg > Houston, TX > > > Article 29323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Mating Flight Lines: 21 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:39:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.43.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 987781145 12.73.43.76 (Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:39:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:39:05 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29323 Her abdomen will plump up and elongate once she has mated. Before that, they are pretty homely looking! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "CharlesW" wrote in message news:te0g6odr1bhp61@corp.supernews.com... > > and a new virgin queen is now running around that is a shadow of the former. > (She is small by comparison ... a lot harder to find). I have seen a couple > Article 29324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where is that link to hear queens piping? Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:26:11 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3ae0c552.797558@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.9b.c8 X-Server-Date: 19 Apr 2001 23:32:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29324 I cant find that link that i went to a couple of days ago to listen to queens piping can someone post it again Thanks Article 29325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:19:12 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 110 Message-ID: <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3ADEB15E.56DCBEBA@diablo-ca.com><3ADF1726.C9B6529F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29325 Barry: - my (rather lengthy) reply is at the end of this message. - JE Barry Birkey wrote: > > From: John Edwards > > > This system is > > in extensive use trapping swarms of africanized bees, resulting in about > > 10,000 swarm captures per year in the Tucson area alone. The pheromone > > lures, when filled to 0.1 ml, last a full summer season in Tucson, with heat > > to 110 degrees. This is an example of a government research project which > works > > Hi John - #1 > I'm not sure I understand your statement above in light of what you said on > Thu, 7 Sep 2000. You said on BEE-L: > > >(1) There has been no published study showing an inherent resistance to > >varroa in africanized honey bee colonies; > >(2) There are no published reports showing africanization of any managed > >colonies in Arizona. > > Does this mean that Africanized bees ARE all around the Tucson area but NOT > in the hives of beekeepers? How do you all manage to keep two separate > strains of bees apart like that? Even Dr Erikson states in a newspaper > article that was printed in your area back in 1991, "It's true there's no > way of discriminating between desirable bees and undesirable ones," Erickson > said." > http://www.beesource.com/news/article/azrepublic.htm > More that was written: > "The truth is that killer, or Africanized, bees have been living quietly in > the United States for at least 30 years. > They are descendants of the same group that's been flying north from South > America, but these killer bees arrived a tad sooner, compliments of the mail > and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. #2 > "It's common knowledge among larger commercial beekeepers," said Dee Lusby, > president of the Arizona Beekeepers Association. "The USDA bee lab in Baton > Rouge (La.) received Africanized bee semen from Brazil 30 years ago and made > the offspring available to beekeepers in this country and around the world." #3 > In fact, Africanized bees were mixing with common bees in the United States > as early as the mid-1800s, according to a 1973 article in Bee World, citing > bee breeders who brought them over from Africa to mix with domestic hives." #4 > If this is true, do not all of our bees have the AHB gene? Why does the AHB > influence get such a bad rap? I'd love to have the bees that the Lusby's > keep as they are very productive and I did not find them to be at all > "unusual" in their behavior. Can you shed some light on this? > > Regards, > Barry Barry/all: All opinions are my own, and the result of working with bees and research at the Tucson lab since 1964. #1: I was directed to adopt the point of view you saw in the mentioned post. My post immediately generated several private (and surprised) responses from researchers with much heavier credentials than mine. #2: This is an old fight, which is restarted from time-to-time. Taber did in fact bring in drone semen from Dr. Kerr in Brazil in the early 1960s; this was used to inseminate queens at Baton Rouge; there is some (very thin) gossip that Dadant incorporated this line into some of their breeding stock. S.E. MacGregor, then head of the Bee Research Branch, directed that these lines be destroyed at Baton Rouge. These were legal importations of semen in sealed capillary tubes; the U.S. Congress soon restricted this simple and effective method of importing semen. The amount of impact Taber's work had on the total genetic makeup of bees in the U.S. was extremely minimal compared to the influx of the AHB in the 1990s. Anyone interested in this subject should read Dr. Orley Taylor's writings. He was/is a true prophet of the way the AHB advance would play out, based on his and other's work in central America near the advancing AHB front. So far as introduced AHB, there have also been reports/rumors over the years of introductions by Florida beekeepers, and of northern Mexico beekeepers (~1976) who brought the AHB into their areas, both groups believing the new genetics would benefit their industries. The Mexican story was reported by Dr. Roger Morse after a large bee conference in Acapulco (~1976), and can be researched by anyone in the published proceedings of the conference. As an aside, the introduced AHB genetics were even considered at one point as the cause of the mysterious "disappearing disease", because of the AHB's lack of winter tolerance. #3: Yes, even the USDA (Frank Benton) was involved in searching the world for better bee genetics in the late 1800s. I personally talked with a beekeeper in his 90s from my home town (Buckeye, Arizona) who remembered what he called Syrian(?) bees imported in his youth. He remembered them as dark, feisty, and prone to propolize. Frank Benton's published reports and articles are still available for those with the determination to find them. I read some of his accounts of selecting and breeding queens in Egypt in the 1890s. According to conversations I had with Steve Taber, the "golden italian" line was very popular and gentle (before this?), but was hard-hit by foulbrood, and the search was on for resistant bees. #4: The Lusbys are extremely inventive and dedicated beekeepers, and I have much respect for their work ethic and determination. They do not migrate, and have bees that are exceedingly well adapted to the savannah/brush/chaparral surroundings they live in. I would imagine that beekeepers in other areas would do well to adopt the Lusby's selection methods for producing better bees in other parts of the world. There is no "all-purpose bee line", IMHO. Article 29326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:35:14 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3AE08162.F9610691@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3ADEB15E.56DCBEBA@diablo-ca.com> <3ADF1726.C9B6529F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <9bp99a$a8ug2$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29326 BeeFarmer wrote: > I have had some luck with swarm lures not to say I am happy to see my bees > swarm. I currently am using lures produced by University of Kansas, > Entomology > Program. I will see how these work out this year. If all goes well and I > managed my bees correctly I won't need them for my bees : ) The pheromone lures are not very effective for keeping bees in the hives or catching them "on their way out of town", but for swarms which are moving across the landscape looking for new digs, especially when the swarm is sending out scouts searching. p.s. ..... is Dr. Orley Taylor still at/in Kansas or Kansas State ?? Article 29327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:48:06 -0500 Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3ADEB15E.56DCBEBA@diablo-ca.com><3ADF1726.C9B6529F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbcb+2YN8WBELRhkbub0XnpzMmTxNVaR++vkBEWSBR0+6Sk4o+ia+g7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2001 05:49:25 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29327 > From: John Edwards > This system is > in extensive use trapping swarms of africanized bees, resulting in about > 10,000 swarm captures per year in the Tucson area alone. The pheromone > lures, when filled to 0.1 ml, last a full summer season in Tucson, with heat > to 110 degrees. This is an example of a government research project which Hi John - I'm not sure I understand your statement above in light of what you said on Thu, 7 Sep 2000. You said on BEE-L: >(1) There has been no published study showing an inherent resistance to >varroa in africanized honey bee colonies; >(2) There are no published reports showing africanization of any managed >colonies in Arizona. Does this mean that Africanized bees ARE all around the Tucson area but NOT in the hives of beekeepers? How do you all manage to keep two separate strains of bees apart like that? Even Dr Erikson states in a newspaper article that was printed in your area back in 1991, "It's true there's no way of discriminating between desirable bees and undesirable ones," Erickson said." http://www.beesource.com/news/article/azrepublic.htm More that was written: "The truth is that killer, or Africanized, bees have been living quietly in the United States for at least 30 years. They are descendants of the same group that's been flying north from South America, but these killer bees arrived a tad sooner, compliments of the mail and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. "It's common knowledge among larger commercial beekeepers," said Dee Lusby, president of the Arizona Beekeepers Association. "The USDA bee lab in Baton Rouge (La.) received Africanized bee semen from Brazil 30 years ago and made the offspring available to beekeepers in this country and around the world." In fact, Africanized bees were mixing with common bees in the United States as early as the mid-1800s, according to a 1973 article in Bee World, citing bee breeders who brought them over from Africa to mix with domestic hives." If this is true, do not all of our bees have the AHB gene? Why does the AHB influence get such a bad rap? I'd love to have the bees that the Lusby's keep as they are very productive and I did not find them to be at all "unusual" in their behavior. Can you shed some light on this? Regards, Barry Article 29328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!not-for-mail From: eileen_gregory@unc.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:19:54 -0400 Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3AE099EA.5010ED10@unc.edu> References: <20010417195639.26725.00000522@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: epi73.epi.unc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news2.isis.unc.edu 987798018 24266 152.2.56.73 (20 Apr 2001 20:20:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news2.isis.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2001 20:20:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29328 Dave, What if your hive bodies are made of cypress, which I thought is supposed to be fairly weather resistant. Would you not paint any of it? I made the mistake of painting just the outside of mine and they all warped just like you said! Thanks, Eileen Dave Green wrote: > From: "CharlesW" charlesw@asminc.net > > > The other thing to note is that it is not necessary to paint the inside of > >the woodware. The bees will propalise the inside and basically seal it. Some > >people do paint it I guess, but I think it is better all around not to do > >it. > > When wood is painted outside only, it has a strong tendency to warp, > especially the boards from the outside of the log. I've seen such boards > actually pull nails by cupping so badly. Then the boxes are loose and the > frames fall thru. > > But when you paint both inner and outer surfaces, you equalize the vapor > movement in the wood, and warping simply doesn't happen. I've got a bunch of > supers that were dipped over 20 years ago. They are made of a cheap grade of > pine, and do have some other problems, but every one is just as straight as a > board can be. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Palm Record Keeping From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 Lines: 103 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:22:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.189 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 987801761 198.161.229.189 (Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:22:41 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:22:41 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29329 From BEE-L: ( http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ ) On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:05:47 -0400, Digest Cesar Flores wrote: >I am amazed that there are not alot of high quality software packages >out there that would serve to manage a honey business from top to >bottom. It seems like such an obvious and simple(?) application. > >I would actually be more interested to know of record keeping techniques >people are using that are NOT computer based. > >In the field, I am using the primitive method of writing notes on the >hive top-cover with a grease pencil. I know of the use of bricks painted >different colors that can be oriented in a sort of code. What are people >doing now since they obviously aren't using computers (for record >keeping anyway)? I thought it is time again to resurrect this old BEE-L thread in light of new software, new hand-held computers and new beekeepers. I realise brick marking and grease crayon marking will never go out of style, but I can see that a new day is dawning in the beeyard. I thoroughly enjoyed the presentation at the AFB in San Diego about using bar codes and since then we have talked a little both here and on sci.agriculture.beekeeping about several packages, including Bidata which was an early starter in this field. Frankly, I have always thought of myself as an early adopter, but I found recently that I have really missed the boat on PDAs. PDAs just sneaked right up on me. I never took these little things seriously until I read a post on sci.agriculture.beekeeping about a beekeeper that uses a Palm and HanDBase. Several weeks later, I find can't do anything without my Palm m105. My 500 Mz 64Meg notebook sits relatively neglected. That sci.agriculture.beekeeping post piqued my interest, and the next time I was in Staples, I drifted by the PDA counter and asked a young lad what these things are -- really. I didn't actually understand his answer, but I bought the second cheapest one to play on the clear understanding that I could take it back within 10 days for a full cash refund -- no questions asked. I had bought a small $40 organizer several years ago because my flight instructor used one all the time, but after reading the documentation and turning it on a time or two, never looked at it again. I fully intended to take this one back, but first I had to prove to myself what a useless toy it was. The Palm m105is light-years from the organizer toy I had previously. The Palm is a *real computer* with a truly great OS and fantastic software available. It has 8 megs of RAM (1000X what my first personal computer had). The Palm input/output at first seems a bit cramped, but the ingenious design of the device and the software available overcomes that by ingenious use of multiple views and fonts. The Graffiti(r) writing style can be largely mastered within an hour. It is slower than typing (even mine) but is easy to do. In addition, the Palm easily and automatically synchronizes with my desktop machine, so I can upload my data, do the biggest jobs at the desk, and then d/l them back to my Palm for easy access in the field. Notes made in the field can even be merged record by record with some of the DBs available. I can transfer data to anyone else with a Palm unit nearby without using wires. I can even do email on the Palm -- if I want to go to the trouble! I have been happy with using Excel on my desktop computer for record keeping as I have said here before, but periodically have a problem when the sheet grows large or I add or subtract yards. I also have to manally re-enter the info from the field notes almost daily -- at least a half-hour task. Moreover, I have always dropped off older info when it got cumbersome -- and hidden fields have been a hassel. I have always known that a relational database would be be ideal, but have considered it a fairly daunting development task with limited payback. With several relational DBs I have so far found for the Palm, all that changes. The design job is relatively trivial. Some of these DBs even will work with Access and also allow several users simultaneous read/write use of data before merging and can have bar code capability. I can import old data from other software, albeit with a little massaging, and append it where I wish. I have done so and been pleased. I'm only half way or so thru the list of software available at www.palm.com and have so far found HanDBase and thinkDB. I am evaluating them both on the 30 day free trial. I have not gotten to JFile yet. So far thinkDB looks quite a bit more sophisticated and flexible, but the learning curve is steeper. I have not linked files with thinkDB yet, but I have found that process simple in HandBase. HanDBase seems much more limited comparatively in viewing and report formatting capabilities, so today thinkDB is my favourite. Nonetheless either DB seems excellent. I realise that there are other PDAs and that there are other OSs for them. That should not be a problem; some of these programs are available for all OSs and the data can be exchanged. I'm offering this short essay as an opener to provoke some detailed discussion, and even maybe template sharing. I hope others will take the time to share their experiences and offer any templates they think are worthwhile. Please put them on a website or offer them by email though and don't attach them to a BEE-l post. BEE-L is text only. You can put them at the BeeGadgets site http://www.onelist.com/community/BeeGadgets and point to it if you like. TIA. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 29330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.elmhst1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AE0CF8E.3536347@yahoo.com> From: Brad McDowell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees and real estate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:08:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.178.151.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.elmhst1.il.home.com 987811736 24.178.151.166 (Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:08:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:08:56 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29330 Hi everyone... I hope you don't mind a question from someone who knows next to nothing about beekeeping. I suddenly have an interest because I'd like to buy a house, but the next door neighbor has what appears to be "bee boxes" of some sort. (They're made out of white slats.) This has made me think a little harder about buying this place; I don't really want to be sitting on the deck, enjoying some fruit or something, only to be driven back indoors by curious bees. (I understand that bees aren't usually aggressive.) Can anyone here let me know if my concerns are justified or not? If you could, please respond via e-mail, since I'm not a regular reader of this group! bdmc888@yahoo.com (or hit reply and remove the xyz from the address). Thank you! Brad Article 29331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Apr 2001 00:38:11 GMT References: <3AE0CF8E.3536347@yahoo.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: bees and real estate Message-ID: <20010420203811.12444.00000170@nso-cj.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29331 In article <3AE0CF8E.3536347@yahoo.com>, Brad McDowell writes: > >Can anyone here let me know if my concerns are justified or not? > >If you could, please respond via e-mail, since I'm not a regular reader >of this group! > >bdmc888@yahoo.com (or hit reply and remove the xyz f I have never seen problems unless a swimming pool is involved. Bob Pursley Article 29332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Increasing Hive Strength Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:01:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3ae016fd.314479420@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29332 On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:45:11 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >Like your sig line says, just swap the location of the weak hive with that >of a strong one. Do it in the afternoon when there are a lot of foragers >out. > >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@att.net >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > I agree. beekeep Article 29333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:15:24 -0400 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <9bp99a$a8ug2$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3ADEB15E.56DCBEBA@diablo-ca.com> <3ADF1726.C9B6529F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 987768938 10779138 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29333 I have had some luck with swarm lures not to say I am happy to see my bees swarm. I currently am using lures produced by University of Kansas, Entomology Program. I will see how these work out this year. If all goes well and I managed my bees correctly I won't need them for my bees : ) -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "John Edwards" wrote in message news:3ADF1726.C9B6529F@tucson.ars.ag.gov... > > > > Oliver Frank wrote: > > > Has anyone had any success with those pheromone swarm lures ? > > I'm not sure how you define "success". After the pheromone mix and delivery > system (a certain type of small plastic vial, allowing slow release of the > odors) was developed at this lab by Dr. Justin Schmidt, it has been tested > worldwide, and, in conjunction with Dr. Schmidt's swarm trap design, is by > far the most effective method of trapping free-flying swarms. This system is > in extensive use trapping swarms of africanized bees, resulting in about > 10,000 swarm captures per year in the Tucson area alone. The pheromone > lures, when filled to 0.1 ml, last a full summer season in Tucson, with heat > to 110 degrees. This is an example of a government research project which > has done exactly what it set out to do, that is, to develop a more effective > method for trapping free-flying swarms. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > John F. Edwards > Biological Lab. Technician > "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" > Carl Hayden Bee Research Center > Agricultural Research Service - USDA > 2000 E. Allen Road > Tucson, Arizona 85719 > > 32.27495 N > 110.9402 W > http://198.22.133.109/ > http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html > > Article 29334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Flight Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:50:12 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29334 This was posted by Greg: I am commenting on the workers holding up the piping queens. In a book I am reading, it says that the workers do this so they can keep the queen from killing the new ones. Then, they urge the queen to swarming. They will repeatedly do this (we've all heard of afterswarms) until they judge that the remaining colony is small enough. I understand that bees will await good weather, which is the explanation for mass swarming on the first good day (swarms cooped up in waiting). I understand that a virgin queen does not make a single flight, but many, and probably over multiple days. I was originally under the impression that it was a single flight, but reading does improve my comprehension. Most matings occur far from the hive, which would assist in the new queen not breeding with drones that are so closely related. I am envious of your observation hive and experience. One day.... :-) -Greg Houston, TX Article 29335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Flight Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:59:50 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29335 Well, I wish I had posted earlier! I got home last night to find that they had swarmed again. Greg ... what book are you reading that has this information? I have read many books, but don't recall reading that ... or I might have just skimmed over that info because it wasn't pertinent at the time. Anyway, as you know the first swarm I found in the yard and was able to rehive them. This time I got home and they were nowhere in sight .... darnit!!! There is now barely enough bees left to cover the remaining brood and a new virgin queen is now running around that is a shadow of the former. (She is small by comparison ... a lot harder to find). I have seen a couple more dead queens, so that only leaves maybe a couple more in cells, but I did not hear any piping last night at all. As few bees that are left in the hive, I would be surprised if they swarm again. Of course, bees have been known to surprise people! This has been a huge learning experience! I can watch my observation hive and see generally what is going on in the bee world (at least our little corner of it). I know when pollen and nectar is coming in, and it allows me to make generalizations about what is happening in my other hives. I still, of course, check them regularly, but the observation hive has proven to be a pretty good indicator. By the way, Beekeep, by "less than ideal weather"= cloudy, misty type rain and scattered showers. Will a queen fly in between showers? I will keep a close watch for the queen to have "mating sign". That would be very interesting. I may have to invest in a camera that takes good close-ups, so I can begin to document some of what I see. While most has probably been documented before, I might see something new and interesting. I'll post more later ... thanks for all the good info! Charles Austin, TX "CharlesW" wrote in message news:te0c4an4ho9990@corp.supernews.com... > This was posted by Greg: > > I am commenting on the workers holding up the piping queens. In a book I am > reading, it says that the workers do this so they can keep the queen from > killing the new ones. Then, they urge the queen to swarming. They will > repeatedly do this (we've all heard of afterswarms) until they judge that > the remaining colony is small enough. > > I understand that bees will await good weather, which is the explanation for > mass swarming on the first good day (swarms cooped up in waiting). > > I understand that a virgin queen does not make a single flight, but many, > and probably over multiple days. I was originally under the impression that > it was a single flight, but reading does improve my comprehension. > > Most matings occur far from the hive, which would assist in the new queen > not breeding with drones that are so closely related. > > I am envious of your observation hive and experience. One day.... :-) > > -Greg > Houston, TX > > > Article 29336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where is that link to hear queens piping? Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:01:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3ae0c552.797558@news.mindspring.com> <20010419215653.08909.00000175@ng-fy1.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29336 Yip ... that's what it sounds like! What's really cool is to have several sounding off at the same time! "Dave Green" wrote in message news:20010419215653.08909.00000175@ng-fy1.aol.com... > From: jponder@mindspring.com (Atlanta) > > >I cant find that link that i went to a couple of days ago to listen to > >queens piping can someone post it again > >Thanks > > > http://kutikshoney.com/nucs/piping.htm > > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Bob Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Custom Bee Hive (pic on another newsgroup) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:27:29 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01HW.B7065A41000943560DE131C0@nntp.wilkes.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.216.91 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 987816053 19118 207.144.216.91 (21 Apr 2001 01:20:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:20:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.5 (Macintosh) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29337 Didn't want to post a pic at this news group as I never see any pics posted here. But thought some might be interested to see a pic of a custom hive. Check out alt.binaries.pictures.furniture and look for posting labled "Custom Bee Hive" Article 29338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Bob Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for apiaries in NC Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:23:19 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01HW.B7065947000908BC0DE131C0@nntp.wilkes.net> References: <9bemsh012j3@drn.newsguy.com> <20010417200844.26725.00000523@ng-da1.aol.com> <9bo3rp017c7@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.216.91 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 987815804 19118 207.144.216.91 (21 Apr 2001 01:16:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:16:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.5 (Macintosh) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29338 There is one in Statesville. I can't remember the name of it but can find out for you tomorrow (Saturday) if that is close enough to your location. That's where our company gets its package bees. We get our queens in Georgia though at Moris (sp?) Apiaries. Article 29339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-008cocsprp328.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for apiaries in NC Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:01:03 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <9bemsh012j3@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.e5.ea X-Server-Date: 21 Apr 2001 03:57:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29339 In article <9bemsh012j3@drn.newsguy.com>, Vicky Rowe wrote: > I'm looking for apiairies here in NC. The National Honey Board list has > just *two*, and I'm sure that there are lots more, and hoping I can find > some good sources to buy honey to make mead. > > Any suggestions? > Hey... My mama just sent me a copy of the latest "North Carolina Agricultual Review" and it has a story on beekeeping. They list a web site for more info: http://www.agr.state.nc.us/plantind/plant/apiary.htm -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: David Schneider Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killing a wild hive Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:10:16 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AE10828.132B6346@bryder.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29340 I've been given the unfortunate task of killing a established hive in a tree of my neighbors yard. I can't get in to them and I doubt that they want to come out. The enterance is about 3 feet from the ground so it is not hard to get at. I was hoping for some suggestions on how to do the dirty deed. I was going to spray into the enterance with some sort of bee killer and then wrap the tree with plastic wrap to seal them in. Any better ideas? Thanks - Dave Article 29341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "Paul S. Hetrick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Quick inspection before buying older hives Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:42:05 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3AE1018C.21BBF279@getgoin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-394.getgoin.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29341 I thought I was going to set up my first hives last spring, but there was too much else to do. I just might get to it this year. Next week I'll have a chance to buy some populated hives from the estate of a man who died last fall. I won't have a chance to take anybody who keeps bees with me, nor will I have much of a chance to inspect the hives. Given a limited amount of time, and possibly limited access to the hives, what should I look for? I have a pretty good idea what new equipment costs and won't buy them unless they are a good bargain, but I'd like to minimize my risk as much as possible. I'm in the Missouri Ozarks, if there are any regional issues. Thanks. ==>paul Article 29342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Flight Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:58:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3ae0122a.313244029@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29342 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:25:22 -0500, "CharlesW" wrote: >Hey Group, > > Well, the observation hive is still doing well. I had a queen >successfully emerge and has killed two that have emerged since. There are >still 6 or so more still being held in their cells by the workers. I assume >that this is an effort to kill them, but if it is not I would assume they >will die sooner or later. In the mean time, they are "piping" quite loudly! >I had hoped to get to hear this, but I did not realize they would be quite >so loud. If the house is quiet, I can hear them throughout most of the >house. When several sound off all at once it reminds me of the sounds >chickens make when they are content in the yard. There can be quite a chorus >at times. The queens being held in the cells by the workers will not die! Careful observation will reveal that she sticks her tounge through the cap crack and is fed by the workers. They often do this prior to producing after swarms. Beekeepers usually only see the aftermath of this situation when they open a hive in this condition. The disruption allows the queens to escape and you see all these little virgin queens running around that have just hatched. > I have a few questions for those of you who have long experience: >1) The queen emerged last Sunday (15th), and I have read that she should go >on her mating flight 5-6 days after emergance. Unfortunately, the weather is >going to be less than ideal the next few days. Will she wait for good >weather to fly? If so, how long? That's hard to say. We don't know what you mean by "less than ideal." >2) If she flies and is not mated for any reason, will she fly again later to >try again? More than likely. They usually go on several mating flights. It takes time for the sperm to be concentrated and stored in the spermatheca. >3) I have seen plenty of drones in my hives (including the observation >hive), but they don't seem to get out much. When the queen leaves to fly, >will she cause the drones to follow her out, or does she just have to get >lucky and find some who decided to fly at the same time? If this is the >case, it seem that it would be quite easy for her not to get mated. Mating with her brothers won't do you any good as many of the sex alleles will match and the eggs won't be viable. When she goes the drones will be there. Like the rest of us males in this world, that is all they live for. If you watch closely you may be lucky enough to see her return with the "mating sign." I have only seen it once! beekeep > >Thanks in advance for any light you might shed, >Charles > > Article 29343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "G. Rutherford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reversing? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:53:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 987803633 24.66.69.64 (Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:53:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:53:53 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29343 I have 2 hives with 2 borrd chambers each, should I be reversing the boxes in the spring? The bees are only using the top entrance, how will I get them to use the bottom?? Thanks Article 29344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!TDC-Europe.POSTED!ip77.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Palm Record Keeping Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:58:29 +0200 Organization: Posted through some European Outpost of TDC Internet A/S Lines: 99 Message-ID: <9brvko$7v9$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip77.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 987857368 8169 195.249.242.77 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29344 > On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:05:47 -0400, Digest Cesar Flores > wrote: > > >I am amazed that there are not alot of high quality software packages out > >there that would serve to manage a honey business from top to bottom. It > >seems like such an obvious and simple(?) application. Simple ? maybe but I learnt from working with this that this is simple with big modification. Beekeepers are not that confirm, and each of us think we have found the way more or less successful. What we expect from software for beekeeping is very variant from beekeeper to beekeeper. Some just need a few notes to a hive and other want the software to dig into future such as if I do so what can I expect? So making a software covering all what all beekeepers need is not that simple at the end. It is very easy to get to sit between two chairs, I know because I have been there. > >I would actually be more interested to know of record keeping techniques > >people are using that are NOT computer based. This is an issue worked with for years in different countries and I think you can find a national developed hivenote card, that cover most of what you need. Here in the Scandinavian countries we have a hive note card that compared to each other is very very similar, and I once have that stupid thought that what is working in Scandinavia also could work in the rest of the world. > I thought it is time again to resurrect this old BEE-L thread in light of > new software, new hand-held computers and new beekeepers. I know I have been contributing to this thread a lot to much, but the world goes on, and since my first try in this field computers have changed, and development have gone on in software, so you can get nearly all you need if, and I think this is the isue, You want to pay for it. Developing software is not cost-free; and it is very common to pay around US$35/$40 (some developers take more), and to cover the cost there mostly is a demand of US$400 for a specialised developed software. EDBi and I have decided to make the software we are developing low-cost. We are not compromising in quality, but our goal is to help the beekeeping not to profit on it. So we set a price of max US$100 for our software. > I realise brick marking and grease crayon marking will never go out of > style, but I can see that a new day is dawning in the beeyard. I > thoroughly enjoyed the presentation at the AFB in San Diego about > using bar codes. If I can put this in, this is rearly a step forward in note taking, special when we are talking aabout using PDA as a Help in notetaking. Think about having 3000 hives registred on the Palm. I have tried this in a test and then finding the correct record to edit in a snap. It was not that easy, but with a barcode scanner and a barcode on the hive it was just that easy. Simply scan edit next hive. Ok it still demand you to think, but the triviality is cut down, and you are getting more time for handling the bees. And home, just hotsync with the desktop software while you have time for the family and the trivial work is drastical cut down. And with a modem and a Mobil Phone it can even be finished before you get home. And more, if you have more workers maybe working far away from basic, then you can get updated at home about every hive visited the same day regardsles if you have hives in British Columbia and/or in Alberta. > I fully intended to take this one back, but first I had to prove to myself > what a useless toy it was. > I have always known that a relational database would be be ideal, but have > considered it a fairly daunting development task with limited payback. Each software is designed for a special task. Excell is for counting and budgets, Access is for database enginering, Word is for Documents and so on. For small beekeepers Excell is well and usefull, but it is not designed for use as a Database. Access is much more for this purpose. The problem im my eyes is that people are doing much to much paperwork, and creating a database to contain all those notes made is not that easy, but it can be done if you take some study in database development. Bidata is a relational database, with barcode support and scanning facility on the PDA, if you can use it with my build in limitations, fine it is free for you up to 10 hives, steep 20-40 hives $45 or 9 million hives $100 up to you. But still there are other dabases around, and I think also more will come. I though hope for the bebefit of beekeeping and not for profit. Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software with barcode support 10-04-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Pourtuguise, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 29345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing a wild hive Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:36:55 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AE10828.132B6346@bryder.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29345 instead of killing these survivors and further decreasing biodiversity in feral honey bees, why not give them a sporting chance and try to coax them into absconding thru repeated use of bee repellants (benzaldehyde and/or menthol)...maybe stall long enough for them to swarm and thus possibly preserve their genetics in the wild...who knows, you may even try a swarm trap with pheromone lure and/or see the queen driven out and be able to hive them for future propagation? Article 29346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> <3ADAC8BB.9F02F0B6@diablo-ca.com> <8t8D6.3460$Uu6.331708@monger.newsread.com> Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:57:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.189.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 987605840 24.91.189.110 (Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:57:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:57:20 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29346 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:281 "CompostKing" wrote in message news:8t8D6.3460$Uu6.331708@monger.newsread.com... > Two of my hives showed no signs of a queen. No brood, but a lotta bees. I > re-queened them today with York, Midnight queens. It is cold here in > Maryland..the next few days may fall into the upper twenties. the queens > have been installed, do I have to worry? Are they going to freeze to death? > Eight hours after I installed the queens I put my ear on the primary box's > and the bees sounded content..humming...Any comments? Or such? thank > you...Ed I'm in Massachusetts, and am having the same yucky weather as you :-( The queens and colonies should be fine. The danger would be in having large areas of brood that couldn't be kept warm, but there can't be that much brood yet. Assuming the queens were accepted ok, the bees will keep them warm. And this weekend will be 60s again :-) -Steve Article 29347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.u.washington.edu!140.142.17.34.MISMATCH!news.u.washington.edu!D-128-95-254-237.dhcp2.washington.edu!kgreen@u.washington.edu From: Katie Eileen <"kgreen@u.washington.edu"@University of Washington> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bombus or Bee Identification Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:15:23 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: D-128-95-254-237.dhcp2.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 987866127 31450 (None) 140.142.17.37 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu X-X-Sender: NULL@news.u.washington.edu Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29347 This looks like a wonderful newsgroup, and I am hoping you can help. I have a new bee in my yard, bombus (bumble) type, I think--not sure. Its teardrop in shape, no visible head aside from a 1/4 inch entended tube much like a hummingbirds beak. This little guy is like a honey brown colored pussywillow, beak, wings short and active like a hummingbirds--tope half of wing clear, bottom half black. He flies like a hummingbird, hovers and even flys backward. He is docile and crazy for forget-me-nots, and anything with colors. He was even contemplating the tight buds on the purple splendor azaleas, but couldn't crack their secret. I would love to know the name, how to cater to this darling little fellow. I live south of Seattle. The bees ar plentiful though the honeybees are just now coming back from the damn *@#! gypsy moth spraying about five years ago. Any help would be appreciated on the identifaction of the little bee, or where I might go for help. Thanks again! Katie *:) Article 29348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Palm Record Keeping Lines: 43 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <3XjE6.9997$hH3.865581@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:02:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 987876159 12.73.42.128 (Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:02:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:02:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29348 I had to grin when I read this. I have always perceived Allen to be somewhat of an innovator with his beekeeping methods. Allen's business is bees. Mine is information technology. Allen applies IT to his operation. I can't wait till the day I can grow Gravenstein apples on 10 acres somewhere near Sebastepol, CA, have a few hives and be totally free from computers, cell phones, PDAs, pagers and all of the other infernal devices that seen necessary today. The only bugs I want to deal with when I retire will be on my apples! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:Xns90899C6E212C8allendinternodenet@198.80.55.10... > From BEE-L: > ( http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ ) > > On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:05:47 -0400, Digest Cesar Flores > wrote: > > >I am amazed that there are not alot of high quality software packages > >out there that would serve to manage a honey business from top to > >bottom. It seems like such an obvious and simple(?) application. > > > >I would actually be more interested to know of record keeping techniques > >people are using that are NOT computer based. > > > >In the field, I am using the primitive method of writing notes on the > >hive top-cover with a grease pencil. I know of the use of bricks painted > >different colors that can be oriented in a sort of code. What are people > >doing now since they obviously aren't using computers (for record > >keeping anyway)? > > I thought it is time again to resurrect this old BEE-L thread in light of > new software, new hand-held computers and new beekeepers. > Article 29349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AE0CF8E.3536347@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: bees and real estate Lines: 44 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <2XjE6.9996$hH3.866418@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:02:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 987876158 12.73.42.128 (Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:02:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:02:38 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29349 Sounds like your potential neighbor's hobby is more likely meteorology. White louvered boxes are use to keep thermometers out of direct sun but beehives constructed from "slats". At any rate, honeybees could care less about your fruit or yourself. As you sit on your deck enjoying your fruit, reflect on just what made the fruit possible. That right, the honeybee. Our patio furniture sits about 15 feet from 2 hives and the kids play closer to them than that, so IMO unless you are fatally allergic (as opposed to the 7 out of 10 who claim to be "allergic") your fears are unjustified. At any rate, real estates agents need to look like they are earning their 6% so give yours the task of discovery. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Brad McDowell" wrote in message news:3AE0CF8E.3536347@yahoo.com... > Hi everyone... I hope you don't mind a question from someone who knows > next to nothing about beekeeping. I suddenly have an interest because > I'd like to buy a house, but the next door neighbor has what appears to > be "bee boxes" of some sort. (They're made out of white slats.) This has > made me think a little harder about buying this place; I don't really > want to be sitting on the deck, enjoying some fruit or something, only > to be driven back indoors by curious bees. (I understand that bees > aren't usually aggressive.) > > Can anyone here let me know if my concerns are justified or not? > > If you could, please respond via e-mail, since I'm not a regular reader > of this group! > > bdmc888@yahoo.com (or hit reply and remove the xyz from the address). > > Thank you! > > Brad > Article 29350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing a wild hive Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:04:17 +1200 Organization: ihug ( New Zealand ) Lines: 39 Message-ID: <9bslp4$fbi$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> References: <3AE10828.132B6346@bryder.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p201-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 987880037 15730 203.173.192.201 (21 Apr 2001 19:07:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:07:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29350 hi david, ----- Original Message ----- From: David Schneider > I've been given the unfortunate task of killing a established hive in a > tree of my neighbors yard. I can't get in to them and I doubt that they > want to come out. The enterance is about 3 feet from the ground so it is > not hard to get at. I was hoping for some suggestions on how to do the > dirty deed. I was going to spray into the enterance with some sort of > bee killer and then wrap the tree with plastic wrap to seal them in. Any > better ideas? Thanks to which Teri Bachus replied: > instead of killing these survivors and further decreasing biodiversity in > feral honey bees, why not give them a sporting chance and try to coax them > into absconding thru repeated use of bee repellants..... this is all well & good if u've got a lot of time, patience & like risk. the fact is, u have no way of testing the hive (pre-trapping) for afb & other "nasties". what's the point of importing a lot of problems & headaches into YOUR operation??? for these circumstances (& for when i find a wasp nest near my hives!) i always carry a jar of carbaryl powder. u can get it at your local garden centre. then i have abt a 50cm length of hosepipe. stick one end of the hosepipe into the powder & get abt 3 - 4cms stuffed into the pipe. then with all the skill of an amazon indian ;-) put the powdered end into the hive entrance & blow (definitely DON'T suck!!!). the hive shld be dead within a couple of days. if not, simply repeat the treatment. as soon as u have cnfmd the hive is dead quickly plug up the entrance(s) with thick clay, builders' bog, whatever. shorterm, this stops robbing bees cleaning out stores.... & maybe taking disease back to their own hives (remembering the robbers cld be your bees). longer term, it stops other bees swarming into the cavity & putting u & your neighbour back to square one. good luck, mark Article 29351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Reversing? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:59:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.189.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 987890351 24.91.189.110 (Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:59:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:59:11 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29351 "G. Rutherford" wrote in message news:Rd2E6.8499$4I5.844699@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com... > I have 2 hives with 2 borrd chambers each, should I be reversing the boxes > in the spring? Yes. > The bees are only using the top entrance, how will I get them > to use the bottom?? When you reverse them, they'll be on the bottom, and figure it out pretty quick. -Steve Article 29352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.elmhst1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AE2483B.6ACD3F44@yahoo.com> From: Brad McDowell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees and real estate -- thanks! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 02:56:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.178.151.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.elmhst1.il.home.com 987908164 24.178.151.166 (Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:56:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:56:04 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29352 I just wanted to say 'thanks' to the folks who answered my questions about my potential neighbor's bees. Your answers eased my mind about the whole issue... thank you! Brad Remove xyz to respond via e-mail. Article 29353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Terry Newton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splitting a hive Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:16:16 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AF3F710@MailAndNews.com> X-InterChange-Posted-By: airwolf1@MailAndNews.com Sender: Terry Newton X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61.08 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29353 I have a hive the has several of the brood frames full of worker cells and also the super on top of it with several frames of worker cells. How would be the best way to split the hive or what would best to do with this hive? Thanks Terry Article 29354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Apr 2001 07:09:32 GMT References: <3ADF9060.560597F9@gte.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup Message-ID: <20010422030932.20731.00000214@ng-fo1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29354 The formula as I understand it is calculated BY WEIGHT. An easy way to figure it is that a gallon of water weighs roughly 8 pounds (a little more), so a one to one solution would be 8 pounds of sugar to one gallon of water for a "1 to 1" solution, or 16 pounds to a gallon for a "2 to 1. " Or breaking the formula down further, one pound sugar for one pint water or two pounds for one pint of water (again for a 2x solution). Buzzylee Article 29355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Shropshire Honey Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:52:50 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3rv4etcl60aqaaat05mqrisbr8gupla1e8@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29355 I know of some people that may be looking for a supplier of honey in Shropshire. Close to Bridgenorth. If you are interested please reply directly to me and let me know something about you. Thanks Article 29356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.easynews.net!easynews.net!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "John Childs" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Absconded Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:30:28 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9bubrj$hd5$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-79-78.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29356 Dear All, A couple of months ago I moved a hive to what looked like a good site here in the North East of England. Everything seemed well and the bees were flying regularly on sunny days but generally the weather has been very cold and wet so I fed them a few of litres of syrup about a month ago (the hive felt light). On Tuesday of this week I returned to inspect the hive and all the bees had gone - leaving about a dozen dead ones. A friend has a hive a few metres away but I am not sure my bees would have been welcome at this time of year. His bees appear well. Some other points that may be relevant are; -The bees were treated for varroa last year. -There were no dead bees on the ground. -No damage/robbing appears to have occured inside the hive. -The frames were well propolised into position. One suggestion has been varroa but my understanding was that varroa needs lots of brood to multiply quickly. The only other theory has been that the queen died suddenly and the bees were unable to raise a new one. All theories and suggestions would be welcome from this group. Many thanks John Childs Article 29357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9bubrj$hd5$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Bees Absconded Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:16:37 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.126.207 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 987972112 212.137.126.207 (Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:41:52 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:41:52 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29357 John Sorry to hear about your hive. It is so unlikely that the bees would 'abscond' that I think that you can discount it. When you fed them - 'about month ago' - do you know whether they were queenright or if they had any viable brood? How many bees were there? My guess is varroa. Many bee keepers treated last year - often in late July or August - but failed to understand the threat from re-invasion during the autumn after they had finished treatment. Either that, or simply a failed queen. Last year was so appalling that many queens will have failed to mate properly and, if they did not fail in the latter part of last year, stand a very good chance of failing in the early spring this year. "John Childs" wrote in message news:9bubrj$hd5$1@uranium.btinternet.com... > Dear All, > > A couple of months ago I moved a hive to what looked like a good site here > in the North East of England. Everything seemed well and the bees were > flying regularly on sunny days but generally the weather has been very cold > and wet so I fed them a few of litres of syrup about a month ago (the hive > felt light). > On Tuesday of this week I returned to inspect the hive and all the bees had > gone - leaving about a dozen dead ones. A friend has a hive a few metres > away but I am not sure my bees would have been welcome at this time of year. > His bees appear well. Some other points that may be relevant are; > -The bees were treated for varroa last year. > -There were no dead bees on the ground. > -No damage/robbing appears to have occured inside the hive. > -The frames were well propolised into position. > One suggestion has been varroa but my understanding was that varroa needs > lots of brood to multiply quickly. The only other theory has been that the > queen died suddenly and the bees were unable to raise a new one. > All theories and suggestions would be welcome from this group. > Many thanks > > John Childs > > > > Article 29358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-007cocsprp264.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Flight Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:14:25 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3ae0122a.313244029@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.e5.9a X-Server-Date: 22 Apr 2001 21:10:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29358 In article <3ae0122a.313244029@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: If you watch closely you may be lucky enough > to see her return with the "mating sign." I have only seen it once! > > beekeep What's the "MATING SIGN"? Is she smoking a little, tiny cigarette, or something? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and real estate Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:52:11 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3ae1662e.400290219@news1.radix.net> References: <3AE0CF8E.3536347@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29359 On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:08:56 GMT, Brad McDowell wrote: >Hi everyone... I hope you don't mind a question from someone who knows >next to nothing about beekeeping. I suddenly have an interest because >I'd like to buy a house, but the next door neighbor has what appears to >be "bee boxes" of some sort. (They're made out of white slats.) This has >made me think a little harder about buying this place; I don't really >want to be sitting on the deck, enjoying some fruit or something, only >to be driven back indoors by curious bees. (I understand that bees >aren't usually aggressive.) > >Can anyone here let me know if my concerns are justified or not? > >If you could, please respond via e-mail, since I'm not a regular reader >of this group! > >bdmc888@yahoo.com (or hit reply and remove the xyz from the address). > >Thank you! > >Brad > I am surprised that you even survived looking at the house. beekeep Article 29360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting a hive Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:38:50 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ae2b485.485882696@news1.radix.net> References: <3AF3F710@MailAndNews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29360 On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:16:16 -0400, Terry Newton wrote: >I have a hive the has several of the brood frames full of worker cells and >also the super on top of it with several frames of worker cells. How would >be >the best way to split the hive or what would best to do with this hive? >Thanks > >Terry > A chainsaw right down the middle works for me. beekeep Article 29361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Flight Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:43:02 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3ae09f10.349317082@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29361 On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:39:05 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >Her abdomen will plump up and elongate once she has mated. Before that, they >are pretty homely looking! > >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@att.net >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Not only that but the bees tend to ignor her as well. Quite often we find the queen by the "worker bee pattern" that surounds her. beekeep Article 29362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Flight Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:52:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3ae09fe1.349525964@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29362 On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:59:50 -0500, "CharlesW" wrote: > Well, I wish I had posted earlier! I got home last night to find that they >had swarmed again. Greg ... what book are you reading that has this >information? I have read many books, but don't recall reading that ... or I >might have just skimmed over that info because it wasn't pertinent at the >time. Get yourself a copy of BEE GENETICS and BREEDING; Edited by Thomas Rinderer. IIRC correctly it is around $100. Having read it I would say that it is worth it. I have found that one of the most expensive parts of beekeeping is the personal bee library. > By the way, Beekeep, by "less than ideal weather"= cloudy, misty type rain >and scattered showers. Will a queen fly in between showers? If the temperature is right she probably will. > I will keep a close watch for the queen to have "mating sign". That would >be very interesting. > I may have to invest in a camera that takes good close-ups, so I can begin >to document some of what I see. While most has probably been documented >before, I might see something new and interesting. > >I'll post more later ... thanks for all the good info! >Charles >Austin, TX > Article 29363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quick inspection before buying older hives Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:50:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3ae165b2.400166534@news1.radix.net> References: <3AE1018C.21BBF279@getgoin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29363 On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:42:05 -0500, "Paul S. Hetrick" wrote: >I thought I was going to set up my first hives last spring, but there >was too much else to do. I just might get to it this year. > >Next week I'll have a chance to buy some populated hives from the estate >of a man who died last fall. I won't have a chance to take anybody who >keeps bees with me, nor will I have much of a chance to inspect the >hives. Given a limited amount of time, and possibly limited access to >the hives, what should I look for? > >I have a pretty good idea what new equipment costs and won't buy them >unless they are a good bargain, but I'd like to minimize my risk as much >as possible. > >I'm in the Missouri Ozarks, if there are any regional issues. > >Thanks. > >==>paul > > Call you deptmant of agriculture, apiary inspection branch. They probably can help you and may even go out and inspect them for you for free. beekeep Article 29364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and real estate Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:53:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3ae16669.400349721@news1.radix.net> References: <3AE0CF8E.3536347@yahoo.com> <20010420203811.12444.00000170@nso-cj.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29364 On 21 Apr 2001 00:38:11 GMT, bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) wrote: >In article <3AE0CF8E.3536347@yahoo.com>, Brad McDowell >writes: > >> >>Can anyone here let me know if my concerns are justified or not? >> >>If you could, please respond via e-mail, since I'm not a regular reader >>of this group! >> >>bdmc888@yahoo.com (or hit reply and remove the xyz f > >I have never seen problems unless a swimming pool is involved. >Bob Pursley Bees usually don't even bother with swimming pools if they are maintained properly. beekeep Article 29365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Flight Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:23:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3ae34b9f.524567421@news1.radix.net> References: <3ae0122a.313244029@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p26.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29365 On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:14:25 -0700, NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >In article <3ae0122a.313244029@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net >(beekeep) wrote: > > If you watch closely you may be lucky enough >> to see her return with the "mating sign." I have only seen it once! >> >> beekeep > >What's the "MATING SIGN"? Is she smoking a little, tiny cigarette, or >something? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.StretchPhotography.com The queen returns with the last drones penis attached to her tail end. The wrokers remove it. beekeep Article 29366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AF3F710@MailAndNews.com> <3ae2b485.485882696@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Splitting a hive Lines: 28 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:08:03 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-413HNAukfinsb08bVDJJw0ITypzFp9oThLd1QTk3WgcuEKDdOnr5Z2cEgL0igLg9otSD2hzR0/m6phJ!6wCvPln5OmgwJwfzq2O+R0btpKTuK9RjqCklyx1E90tfnuVBP2v3PX0pFR4CwkMFy8YypSbtD3nc!4sLfu/k= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:06:42 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29366 I tried to use the chainsaw, but every time I started it up the bees thought it was some sort of mating call and I couldn't get close to the hive. :-) -- Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ae2b485.485882696@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:16:16 -0400, Terry Newton > wrote: > > >I have a hive the has several of the brood frames full of worker cells and > >also the super on top of it with several frames of worker cells. How would > >be > >the best way to split the hive or what would best to do with this hive? > >Thanks > > > >Terry > > > A chainsaw right down the middle works for me. > > beekeep > Article 29367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bombus or Bee Identification Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:17:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3ae2035a.440526304@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29367 On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:15:23 -0700, Katie Eileen <"kgreen@u.washington.edu"@University of Washington> wrote: >This looks like a wonderful newsgroup, and I am hoping you can help. Don't let your first impression fool you. Sometimes we fight like hell, and seldom agree on anything. We do all have a common interest, bees, but it ends there. >I have a new bee in my yard, bombus (bumble) type, I think--not sure. >Its teardrop in shape, no visible head aside from a 1/4 inch entended >tube much like a hummingbirds beak. This little guy is like a honey >brown colored pussywillow, beak, wings short and active like a >hummingbirds--tope half of wing clear, bottom half black. He flies like a >hummingbird, hovers and even flys backward. He is docile and crazy for >forget-me-nots, and anything with colors. He was even contemplating the >tight buds on the purple splendor azaleas, but couldn't crack their >secret. I hate to disapoint you, yeah right, but you do not have a new bee. What you have is a fly called the Large Bee Fly (Bombylius). I will further guess that the forget-me-nots are really bluettes. >I would love to know the name, how to cater to this darling little fellow. >I live south of Seattle. The bees ar plentiful though the honeybees are >just now coming back from the damn *@#! gypsy moth spraying about five >years ago. Any help would be appreciated on the identifaction of the >little bee, or where I might go for help. Thanks again! Katie *:) Be careful of what you wish for. While the adults feed on nectar their larva don't. The female fly follows solitary bee female from flower to nest. When the bee leaves she lays her eggs at the entrance. Upon hatching the larve go down into the nest and eat the bee larva. They are in fact a bee parasite. The gypsy moth spraying doesn't hurt the honey bees. It is designed to prevent the moth larva from going from one instar to the nest. Honeybees don't do that. beekeep Article 29368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing a wild hive Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:20:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3ae2075c.441552492@news1.radix.net> References: <3AE10828.132B6346@bryder.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29368 On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:10:16 -0700, David Schneider wrote: > >I've been given the unfortunate task of killing a established hive in a >tree of my neighbors yard. I can't get in to them and I doubt that they >want to come out. The enterance is about 3 feet from the ground so it is >not hard to get at. I was hoping for some suggestions on how to do the >dirty deed. I was going to spray into the enterance with some sort of >bee killer and then wrap the tree with plastic wrap to seal them in. Any >better ideas? Thanks > >- Dave > Personally, I would just say no. beekeep Article 29369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wanna"bee" beekeeper... Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:22:36 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3ae207f2.441702156@news1.radix.net> References: <98j0m3$87h$1@nnrp2.phx.gblx.net> <3ADAC8BB.9F02F0B6@diablo-ca.com> <8t8D6.3460$Uu6.331708@monger.newsread.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29369 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:282 On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:57:20 GMT, "Steve Huston" wrote: >"CompostKing" wrote in message >news:8t8D6.3460$Uu6.331708@monger.newsread.com... >> Two of my hives showed no signs of a queen. No brood, but a lotta bees. I >> re-queened them today with York, Midnight queens. It is cold here in >> Maryland..the next few days may fall into the upper twenties. the queens >> have been installed, do I have to worry? Are they going to freeze to >death? >> Eight hours after I installed the queens I put my ear on the primary box's >> and the bees sounded content..humming...Any comments? Or such? thank >> you...Ed > >I'm in Massachusetts, and am having the same yucky weather as you :-( > >The queens and colonies should be fine. The danger would be in having large >areas of brood that couldn't be kept warm, but there can't be that much >brood yet. Assuming the queens were accepted ok, the bees will keep them >warm. > >And this weekend will be 60s again :-) > >-Steve > There had better be lots of brood as the honey flow here in Maryland is only 2-3 weeks away! beekeep Article 29370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: GW Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: All GONE :-( Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:04:11 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AE39BAB.BA9984C5@rectec.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29370 We had a apiary with 27 hives last fall. Over the winter and spring we lost 24 colinies of bees, ninety percent. We had a long dry hot summer and fall. Then the bad winter came with the rapid temprature changes. I started to feed even when the temp was forty degrees f.., but the long cold spell took its toll, alought some hives had as much as one hundred pounds, 45 kg. of honey still untouched.. We are going to start again next year with more queens and different medication, different feeding methods and we will see what happens. 2001 has been a wreck for our apiary. We enjoy the Bee-L very much. Still buzzing: GW Northeast Oklahoma. :-) Article 29371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp142.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Flight Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:39:39 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3ae0122a.313244029@news1.radix.net> <3ae34b9f.524567421@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.ce X-Server-Date: 23 Apr 2001 05:36:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29371 In article <3ae34b9f.524567421@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:14:25 -0700, NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com > (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > > >In article <3ae0122a.313244029@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net > >(beekeep) wrote: > > > > If you watch closely you may be lucky enough > >> to see her return with the "mating sign." I have only seen it once! > >> > >> beekeep > > > >What's the "MATING SIGN"? Is she smoking a little, tiny cigarette, or > >something? > > > > The queen returns with the last drones penis attached to her tail end. > The wrokers remove it. > > beekeep Well, I'll be damned. I guess everyone's gotta make a living somehow. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 29372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.nmix.net!reader.nmix.net!oracle.zianet.com!216.234.218.55.gilanet.com From: "David Jordan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New 2 beekeeping questions. Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:12:25 -0600 Organization: NMIX Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3ae47230.0@oracle.zianet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oracle.zianet.com X-Trace: reader.nmix.net 988049515 58400 204.134.124.52 (23 Apr 2001 18:11:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Apr 2001 18:11:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29372 Hello, I am new to beekeeping. I have purchased a hive starter kit from Western Bee. I assembled it and painted it with white enamel about 2 months ago outside but not inside. Then have had it sitting on the kitchen floor to keep straight and out of the weather till I am ready. I made a stand of adobe with a small wall on the west and south sides to protect it from our prevailing southwest winds. My bees ship on the 27th of this month from Weaver apiaries (all american breed). Here in the southwest the most used substance for protecting wood from the elements is boiled linseed oil and mineral spirits. . Has anyone used this? Can it be used both inside and out? I have purchaced the companion kit (honey supers) and am thinking of painting them. Also I am on the lookout for a nice white full length jumpsuit to wear. Anyone know where to buy a quality one? David Article 29373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting a hive Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:02:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3ae40b7f.573682916@news1.radix.net> References: <3AF3F710@MailAndNews.com> <3ae2b485.485882696@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29373 On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:06:42 -0700, "Me" wrote: >I tried to use the chainsaw, but every time I started it up the bees thought >it was some sort of mating call and I couldn't get close to the hive. :-) > >-- >Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If you think a chainsaw was fun try a weedwacker on the hive. beekeep Article 29374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AE425A3.E374B127@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First year beekeeper... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:52:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 988030584 216.224.203.173 (Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:56:24 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:56:24 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29374 I'm starting my first year with bees. Hives are ready..just waiting for the bees. What medication (if any) should I use and when and how? Do I treat a new hive for varroa or afb or what? Thanks! Taylor Article 29375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "hdc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moldy hive Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:28:51 -0400 Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <3ae41ffd.0@alognews.analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.100.3.2 X-Trace: dnewsrv.analogic.com 988028989 10.100.3.2 (23 Apr 2001 08:29:49 -0400) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!arb.uu.net!chi.uu.net!dnewsrv.analogic.com!alognews.analogic.com!10.110.2.41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29375 Saturday, I opened my hive for the first time this year and found what appeared to be gray and black mold in my two hives. When I first opened the hive hive I found black discoloration on the top of the frames on one side of the top body. I found dead bees with gray mold growing on them stuffed in between frames. The bottom board was covered with hard black and brown pellets, which had to be scraped off. I did not search for the queen. In addition, the bees seem to be avoiding the normal bottom entrance and were entering and exiting through the ventilation holes. I live in Eastern Massachussetts. What do I have? What do I do? Thank you. Howard Cohen Article 29376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.siscom.net!feeder.nmix.net!reader.nmix.net!oracle.zianet.com!216.234.218.138.gilanet.com From: "David Jordan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Latex vs. Enamel Paint for Hives Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:00:22 -0600 Organization: NMIX Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3ae185f9.0@oracle.zianet.com> References: <20010417195639.26725.00000522@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oracle.zianet.com X-Trace: reader.nmix.net 987857974 78484 204.134.124.52 (21 Apr 2001 12:59:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2001 12:59:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29376 Here in the desert southwest you will find that using boiled linseed oil and mineral spirits is the "paint" of choice for exposed wood products. Has anyone had any experience with this in hives? David Article 29377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!sac.uu.net!newshub1.wanet.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newspeer.cts.com!feed1-out.uncensored-news.com!feed1-in.uncensored-news.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moldy hive Date: 23 Apr 2001 15:49:53 GMT Lines: 42 Message-ID: <9c1iv1$46o$0@208.10.3.178> References: <3ae41ffd.0@alognews.analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.10.3.178 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29377 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:28:51 -0400, "hdc" wrote: >Saturday, I opened my hive for the first time this year and found what >appeared to be gray and black mold in my two hives. When I first opened the >hive hive I found black discoloration on the top of the frames on one side >of the top body. I found dead bees with gray mold growing on them stuffed >in between frames. The bottom board was covered with hard black and brown >pellets, which had to be scraped off. I did not search for the queen. In >addition, the bees seem to be avoiding the normal bottom entrance and were >entering and exiting through the ventilation holes. > >I live in Eastern Massachussetts. Scrape the bottom board and clean out the dead bees you can. If the bees are primarily in the top box you need to reverse (switch) the top and bottom boxes. It doesn't sound like the bees did very well this winter (but at least they have not died out yet), sounds like there is too much moisture in the hive (not enough ventatilation). Can't say about other causes from the description. First, you need to evaluate what is left of the hive. Is there a queen? You don't really need to find her, just the evidence of her (eggs and brood). If there isn't a queen, you are probably out of luck, you could requeen now, but it may be too late. If you have other hives, combine this hive with another weak one. If there is a queen, are there enough workers? Are there enough to cover the brood and forage? I would guess you need about as many as you would get in a 2lb package to stand a good chance. You can assist by feeding sugar water and pollen substitute if available (reducing the need for foragers and promoting growth). How does the population look, (health wise). Are there any signs of AFB, mites, nosemia etc.? Treat accordingly. It's quite possible one or more of these weakened the hive. Hopfully it has not been weakend too far. The bees will clean up the mold, dead bees etc. It is normal to have some buildup on the bottom board in the spring and even some mold, though it sounds like yours was excessive. -Tim Article 29378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moldy hive Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:09:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3ae4b4fd.617073244@news1.radix.net> References: <3ae41ffd.0@alognews.analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29378 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:28:51 -0400, "hdc" wrote: >Saturday, I opened my hive for the first time this year and found what >appeared to be gray and black mold in my two hives. When I first opened the >hive hive I found black discoloration on the top of the frames on one side >of the top body. I found dead bees with gray mold growing on them stuffed >in between frames. The bottom board was covered with hard black and brown >pellets, which had to be scraped off. I did not search for the queen. In >addition, the bees seem to be avoiding the normal bottom entrance and were >entering and exiting through the ventilation holes. > >I live in Eastern Massachussetts. > >What do I have? You have a beekeeper that didn't provide proper ventilation for the hive during the winter. The black is from condensation. The pellets are probably chalk brood mummies (or rat droppings?), it really hard to say without seeing them. > What do I do? Go to local and state beekeepers meetings, visit your library, read the bee magazines, and make an effort to become a better beekeeper. > >Thank you. ' Always a please to help. beekeep > >Howard Cohen > > Article 29379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AE425A3.E374B127@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: First year beekeeper... Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:43:39 -0700 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-149.reachone.com Message-ID: <3ae4bd3c@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 23 Apr 2001 16:39:40 -0700, tc1-149.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-149.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29379 Taylor Francis wrote in message <3AE425A3.E374B127@yahoo.com>... >What medication (if any) should I use and when and how? Do I treat a >new hive for varroa or afb or what? Others may disagree but I didn't treat for varroa with my new hives until the following fall. I understand package bees are usually treated before they're sent (or apistan strips are included with the bees). I did however use fumadil when I fed them that spring. I'm just a hobbyist with a couple of hives. ken Article 29380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!zur.uu.net!ams.uu.net!news-hub.siol.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!skynet.be!nntp1.aeq.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!telenews.teleline.es!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AE3D528.49B6FA5F@islapro.com> From: islapro Reply-To: islapro@islapro.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,es,en-US,tr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Palm Record Keeping References: <9brvko$7v9$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 115 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:19:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.4.91.44 X-Complaints-To: usenet@teleline.es X-Trace: telenews.teleline.es 988053548 213.4.91.44 (Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:19:08 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:19:08 MET DST Organization: Clientes_Teleline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29380 Obviously the route is the data collection (bar codes) via wireless infra-red (hand held), similar to the one used by the electric-gas meter that the public utilities use, they discharge the data at the end of the working day.. Basicaly at the field you enter into the record, simply pointing at the hive, and you have all its history, after the inspection... you enter current work... at the hand held ... you discharge back go all the data. Jorn Johanesson wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:05:47 -0400, Digest Cesar Flores > > wrote: > > > > >I am amazed that there are not alot of high quality software packages out > > >there that would serve to manage a honey business from top to bottom. It > > >seems like such an obvious and simple(?) application. > > Simple ? maybe but I learnt from working with this that this is simple with > big modification. > Beekeepers are not that confirm, and each of us think we have found the way > more or less successful. What we expect from software for beekeeping is very > variant from beekeeper to beekeeper. Some just need a few notes to a hive > and other want the software to dig into future such as if I do so what can I > expect? So making a software covering all what all beekeepers need is not > that simple at the end. It is very easy to get to sit between two chairs, I > know because I have been there. > > > >I would actually be more interested to know of record keeping techniques > > >people are using that are NOT computer based. > > This is an issue worked with for years in different countries and I think > you can find a national developed hivenote card, that cover most of what you > need. Here in the Scandinavian countries we have a hive note card that > compared to each other is very very similar, and I once have that stupid > thought that what is working in Scandinavia also could work in the rest of > the world. > > > I thought it is time again to resurrect this old BEE-L thread in light of > > new software, new hand-held computers and new beekeepers. > > I know I have been contributing to this thread a lot to much, but the world > goes on, and since my first try in this field computers have changed, and > development have gone on in software, so you can get nearly all you need if, > and I think this is the isue, You want to pay for it. > > Developing software is not cost-free; and it is very common to pay around > US$35/$40 (some developers take more), and to cover the cost there mostly is > a demand of US$400 for a specialised developed software. EDBi and I have > decided to make the software we are developing low-cost. We are not > compromising in quality, but our goal is to help the beekeeping not to > profit on it. So we set a price of max US$100 for our software. > > > I realise brick marking and grease crayon marking will never go out of > > style, but I can see that a new day is dawning in the beeyard. I > > thoroughly enjoyed the presentation at the AFB in San Diego about > > using bar codes. > > If I can put this in, this is rearly a step forward in note taking, special > when we are talking aabout using PDA as a Help in notetaking. Think about > having 3000 hives registred on the Palm. I have tried this in a test and > then finding the correct record to edit in a snap. It was not that easy, but > with a barcode scanner and a barcode on the hive it was just that easy. > Simply scan edit next hive. Ok it still demand you to think, but the > triviality is cut down, and you are getting more time for handling the bees. > And home, just hotsync with the desktop software while you have time for the > family and the trivial work is drastical cut down. And with a modem and a > Mobil Phone it can even be finished before you get home. And more, if you > have more workers maybe working far away from basic, then you can get > updated at home about every hive visited the same day regardsles if you have > hives in British Columbia and/or in Alberta. > > > I fully intended to take this one back, but first I had to prove to myself > > what a useless toy it was. > > I have always known that a relational database would be be ideal, but have > > considered it a fairly daunting development task with limited payback. > > Each software is designed for a special task. Excell is for counting and > budgets, Access is for database enginering, Word is for Documents and so on. > For small beekeepers Excell is well and usefull, but it is not designed for > use as a Database. Access is much more for this purpose. The problem im my > eyes is that people are doing much to much paperwork, and creating a > database to contain all those notes made is not that easy, but it can be > done if you take some study in database development. > > Bidata is a relational database, with barcode support and scanning facility > on the PDA, if you can use it with my build in limitations, fine it is free > for you up to 10 hives, steep 20-40 hives $45 or 9 million hives $100 up to > you. But still there are other dabases around, and I think also more will > come. I though hope for the bebefit of beekeeping and not for profit. > > Best regards > Jorn Johanesson > > Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 > > hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software with > barcode support > 10-04-2001 added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. > all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen > breeder > free of charge up to 10 hives. > Language added : Dutch, Pourtuguise, French > > home page = HTTP://apimo.dk > e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 29381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Apr 2001 02:25:05 GMT References: <3ae48ed3$4@news.starhub.net.sg> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: * mail server not work on NT through cable modem Message-ID: <20010423222505.11789.00000745@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29381 Propolis in the keyboard would BEE my guess. What do you think "Beekeep", I know Ya cant pass this one up.........:-) -= Mike =- Article 29382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Berny" From: "Berny" Subject: Honey Jars Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:25:45 -0400 Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust101.tnt3.mia5.da.uu.net 63.30.198.229 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29382 Can anyone tell me how many pounds a pint size mason jar holds? Thanks Article 29383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.msen.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: Vicky Rowe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for apiaries in NC Date: 23 Apr 2001 21:06:20 -0700 Organization: http://www.gotmead.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9c2u3s012dl@drn.newsguy.com> References: <9bemsh012j3@drn.newsguy.com> <20010417200844.26725.00000523@ng-da1.aol.com> <9bo3rp017c7@drn.newsguy.com> <01HW.B7065947000908BC0DE131C0@nntp.wilkes.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-129.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29383 In article <01HW.B7065947000908BC0DE131C0@nntp.wilkes.net>, Bob says... > >There is one in Statesville. I can't remember the name of it but can find out >for you tomorrow (Saturday) if that is close enough to your location. That's >where our company gets its package bees. We get our queens in Georgia though >at Moris (sp?) Apiaries. > Thanks! I'm told by a beekeeping friend (I'm a meadmaker) that I'm using my terminology incorrectly. What I'm actually after is a place to get honey in bulk in NC. The list that the National Honey Board has is a bit light. I'd *love* to set up my own hives, but my husband (and my neighbors) would definitely have cows if I did.....::sigh:: Only 4 acres, and most of it woods....... Vicky, da Meadwench "Mead is mad of honny and water boyled both togyther; yf it be fyred and pure, it preserveth helth; but it is not good for them the whiche have the Ilyache or the Colycke. - Andrew Borde, "The Regyment, or a Dyetary of Helth", 1542" Mad about mead? Visit GotMead at http://www.gotmead.com Article 29384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen found Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:09:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 988088981 65.13.109.136 (Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:09:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:09:41 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29384 I was helping a friends mom get rid of some bees in her yard and found the queen. I captured her and about 20-30 workers. I tried for more workers, but it got out of hand. Anyway, I have them in the box that my packaged bees came in this year. I have one established hive. How can I utilize the queen? If I put her and the few workers in a super with a frame of honey and a frame of brood from my established hive will that work? Thanks, Dave Article 29385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 Lines: 79 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:37:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 988090679 198.161.229.188 (Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:37:59 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:37:59 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29385 It was written on sci.agriculture.beekeeping: >> More that was written: >> "The truth is that killer, or Africanized, bees have been living >> quietly in the United States for at least 30 years. >> They are descendants of the same group that's been flying north from >> South America, but these killer bees arrived a tad sooner, compliments >> of the mail and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. >> In fact, Africanized bees were mixing with common bees in the United >> States as early as the mid-1800s, according to a 1973 article in Bee >> World, citing bee breeders who brought them over from Africa to mix >> with domestic hives." As long as I have kept bees, it has been common knowledge that bees from African sources were brought to the USA and used in open breeding in the mid twentieth century -- long before the familiar and dreaded South American (AHB) hybrid migrated north thru Mexico. When wintering bees in Alberta became necessary in the mid-1980s after decades of dependancy on disposable US package bees, the wintering success rate was much lower than historical records for this country indicated should be the case. At that time, and periodically since, some of us have speculated that there must be an African component in US bees that reduces clustering and wintering ability compared to the bees used in Canada before the mid-twentieth century when package bees became the fashion. As for the US importations, it is unthinkable that imported African bee stock kept in hives outdoors could have been reliably prevented from getting into local bee populations -- if anyone even thought of it. After all, I assume that the breeders felt the stock was superior and there would have been little concern about preventing escape. Moreover, it *may* be possible to keep the queens clipped and confined, but any practicing beekeeper knows that drones will *always* get out somehow. As for the South American importation, I am always astounded that it was not forseen by Dr. Kerr, a wise and experienced beekeeper, that -- even if queens were never accidentally released -- that drones would be at large and that they carried the same genes. I can only assume that the concern about the escape of the queens was initially over loss of the precious queens, rather than the eventual impact on beekeeping throughout the Americas. I doubt that anyone even foresaw this adverse effect at the time, or the importation would never have happened the way it did. Why the repeated importions -- both deliberate and accidental -- of African bees into the USA did not produce a dominant, vicious, non-hoarding and swarmy hybrid like the one that developed in Brazil and recently migrated up from South America is a question that deserves some thought. Perhaps there was, somwhere in the import group in Brazil, an unusual individual from some sub-variety that is not commonly encountered. Perhaps one of the South African readers of this group could indicate if there are subgroups or local varieties of the African bee with very different and aggressive characteristics. Perhaps also, the bees on the vanguard of the invasion are naturally a self-selecting, exaggerated version of the AHB -- those which are most swarmy and most restless. Once the bees colonise and fill an area, perhaps less wild, more settled and productive characteristics dominate the population more and more over time as they adapt. After all, it makes sense that those that spread out the most quickly would be the swarmiest and most adventurous ones, but the others would eventually catch up, especially if their characteristics are already intermingled with the genes of the vanguard and thus carried with the vanguard. Eventually the more settled and productive charcteristics may even out-compete the original traits. As the migration slows, the bees may adapt and become less troublesome and more like the bees we know and love. After all, the wild characteristics do not work in the bees' favour in the USA. Those that can fit in and co-operate with humans are not sought out and killed, but fed and coddled and moved from state to state. My understanding is that over time these bees have become less of a problem in South America and that huge amounts of honey are produced there. I know little more than that... allen My boring diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 29386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Apr 2001 16:20:53 GMT References: <3AF3F710@MailAndNews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Splitting a hive Message-ID: <20010424122053.13457.00000683@ng-mj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29386 >I have a hive the has several of the brood frames full of worker cells and >also the super on top of it with several frames of worker cells. How would >be >the best way to split the hive Even though about move some bottom racks the one without worker cells up to second super and the one with worker cells move it on down? If do that, wait a week or Two, watch for swarm. Article 29387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen found Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:17:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3ae55296.657420049@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29387 On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:09:41 GMT, "Dave" wrote: >I was helping a friends mom get rid of some bees in her yard and found the >queen. I captured her and about 20-30 workers. I tried for more workers, >but it got out of hand. Anyway, I have them in the box that my packaged >bees came in this year. I have one established hive. How can I utilize the >queen? If I put her and the few workers in a super with a frame of honey >and a frame of brood from my established hive will that work? > >Thanks, >Dave > > > There is only one way to find out. beekeep Article 29388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:18:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3ae552c1.657463031@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29388 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:25:45 -0400, "Berny" wrote: >Can anyone tell me how many pounds a pint size mason jar holds? > >Thanks > > 1 1/2 pounds. beekeep Article 29389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AE55CCA.64E910DA@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars References: <20010424063654.04805.00000868@ng-ct1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:00:27 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.189 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 988109632 206.231.24.189 (Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:53:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:53:52 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29389 Except where honey is concerned. A gallon of honey weighs 12 pounds. There are 8 pints in a gallon. Do the math. The old saying refers to a gallon of water which weighs 8 pounds. HarrisonRW wrote: > The old saying is > > "a pint's a pound the world around" Article 29390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "ELScofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Honey Jars Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:11:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.226.105.7 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 988107111 207.226.105.7 (Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:11:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:11:51 EDT Organization: Pinnacle Online (pinn.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29390 22 ounces I think. Ernie Berny wrote in message news:O$Pbd5GzAHA.199@cpmsnbbsa09... > Can anyone tell me how many pounds a pint size mason jar holds? > > Thanks > > Article 29391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!dca.uu.net!newsfeed.fast.net!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Apr 2001 10:36:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey Jars Message-ID: <20010424063654.04805.00000868@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29391 The old saying is "a pint's a pound the world around" Article 29392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ".db" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9baelq$si6$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Subject: Re: Will they swarm? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:11:56 +0930 Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.9.17.52 Message-ID: <3ae5599c$1_1@news.chariot.net.au> X-Trace: 24 Apr 2001 20:16:52 +0950, 210.9.17.52 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!typhoon.sonic.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au!news.chariot.net.au!210.9.17.52 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29392 If you have non swarming bees. You should be able to add2or 3boxes check the queen is preasent befor destroying queen cells don "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message news:9baelq$si6$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > I did an inspection of one of my hives today and am worried about what I > saw. First, the hive was so packed with bees that there was even a cluster Article 29393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.196!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nasty hive Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:17:58 -0500 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <57kbetgpdargqbmch3pkv1k6od59ocsoiq@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.196 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 988139879 12269991 216.167.138.196 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29393 > I noticed one of my hives had >gotten really really agressive, and now this spring they're just as bad. I've had hives like that and there was usually something wrong, not the queen, so much as AFB. Do a careful inspection of the combs and look for signs of AFB. C.K. Article 29394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:03:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3ae5f811.699779641@news1.radix.net> References: <20010424063654.04805.00000868@ng-ct1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29394 On 24 Apr 2001 10:36:54 GMT, harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: >The old saying is > >"a pint's a pound the world around" But honey is half again as heavy. It's got stuff in it called sugars. beekeep Article 29395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ae57800_2@news.chariot.net.au> <20010424090842.25159.00001008@ng-co1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:22:35 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.130.167 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 988151005 212.137.130.167 (Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:23:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:23:25 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29395 Well said, sir! My sentiments exactly. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20010424090842.25159.00001008@ng-co1.aol.com... > >Sorry > >abuot metric I suppose the rest of the world is out of step with america > > > >don > > We inherited our system from the British. But we keep it to annoy the French. > > > > > > Article 29396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Queenless Package Hive X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AE5F9AF.FC05FF5F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:09:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29396 I installed some new 3-lb packages April 6. I had one of the hives reject their queen. I ordered another and they rejected her too. Now the hive has been queenless for over two weeks and I inspected the hive today and found multiple eggs in cells -> laying worker. Is there any way to make this hive queenright again? They don't seem to want a purchased queen. What do I do about the laying worker? This is a package colony and not an established hive. TIA, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newspharm.inet.tele.dk.MISMATCH!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010424063654.04805.00000868@ng-ct1.aol.com> <3ae5f811.699779641@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Honey Jars Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:26:28 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.130.167 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 988151524 212.137.130.167 (Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:32:04 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:32:04 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29397 I think that you will find that it is 1.4 times as heavy - depending on the moisture content of course - so a gallon then weighs 14lbs. "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ae5f811.699779641@news1.radix.net... > On 24 Apr 2001 10:36:54 GMT, harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: > > >The old saying is > > > >"a pint's a pound the world around" > > But honey is half again as heavy. It's got stuff in it called sugars. > > beekeep > Article 29398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AE425A3.E374B127@yahoo.com> <3ae4bd3c@news.turbotek.net> <3AE57E21.FAAAAEA7@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: First year beekeeper... Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:31:15 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.130.167 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 988151525 212.137.130.167 (Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:32:05 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:32:05 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29398 It's to help you give money to Fumidil manufacturers! Seriously, Fumidil B treats Nosema Apis (Zander). Do note that it will not clean up the infection on combs, so is only useful if you treat combs with acetic acid as well - and putting bees on clean comb is often as effective as treating with Fumidil. "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3AE57E21.FAAAAEA7@yahoo.com... > what is fumadil for? > > K Adney wrote: > > > > Taylor Francis wrote in message <3AE425A3.E374B127@yahoo.com>... > > >What medication (if any) should I use and when and how? Do I treat a > > >new hive for varroa or afb or what? > > > > Others may disagree but I didn't treat for varroa with my new hives until > > the following fall. I understand package bees are usually treated before > > they're sent (or apistan strips are included with the bees). I did however > > use fumadil when I fed them that spring. I'm just a hobbyist with a couple > > of hives. > > > > ken Article 29399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ".db" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010414232257.03441.00000315@ng-ca1.aol.com> Subject: Re: new queen Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:30:26 +0930 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.9.17.52 Message-ID: <3ae55df2$1_2@news.chariot.net.au> X-Trace: 24 Apr 2001 20:35:22 +0950, 210.9.17.52 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!209.113.65.250!korova.insync.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au!news.chariot.net.au!210.9.17.52 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29399 hi many queenbreeders have no control over the drones so what you get is a raffel reserch suggests that queens will not mate with a drone from a hive less than 2Km away if they have a choice. Ask about drone mother selection! Don "Mike" wrote in message news:20010414232257.03441.00000315@ng-ca1.aol.com... > This is my first year to keep bees, I bought two hives. One is doing very well, > the other has a very eradic brood pattern. I know that the queen is there > because I see new eggs and larva. If i requeen do I kill her and place the > new queen in the same day?? Article 29400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:00:00 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <20010424063654.04805.00000868@ng-ct1.aol.com> <3AE55CCA.64E910DA@together.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29400 On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:00:27 -0400, michael palmer wrote: > The old saying refers to a >gallon of water which weighs 8 pounds. Except where it's 10 pounds. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk I'm going to live forever. So far, so good. Article 29401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:59:59 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <98qaetcge59bag5kb6mhjj1tij2ngnre1p@4ax.com> References: <20010424063654.04805.00000868@ng-ct1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29401 On 24 Apr 2001 10:36:54 GMT, harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: >The old saying is > >"a pint's a pound the world around" Except where it's "A pint of clear water, weighs a pound and a quarter." -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk I'm going to live forever. So far, so good. Article 29402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ".db" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ADF9060.560597F9@gte.net> <20010422030932.20731.00000214@ng-fo1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:21:41 +0930 Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.9.17.217 Message-ID: <3ae57800_2@news.chariot.net.au> X-Trace: 24 Apr 2001 22:26:32 +0950, 210.9.17.217 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!osa.uu.net!sac.uu.net!nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au!news.chariot.net.au!210.9.17.217 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29402 Hi , to1200ml of boiling water add 2kg of sugar makes 2900ml of syrup. Sorry abuot metric I suppose the rest of the world is out of step with america don "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20010422030932.20731.00000214@ng-fo1.aol.com... > The formula as I understand it is calculated BY WEIGHT. An easy way to figure > it is that a gallon of water weighs roughly 8 pounds (a little more), so a one > to one solution would be 8 pounds of sugar to one gallon of water for a "1 to > 1" solution, or 16 pounds to a gallon for a "2 to 1. " Or breaking the formula > down further, one pound sugar for one pint water or two pounds for one pint of > water (again for a 2x solution). > > Buzzylee > > Article 29403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Apr 2001 13:08:42 GMT References: <3ae57800_2@news.chariot.net.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup Message-ID: <20010424090842.25159.00001008@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29403 >Sorry >abuot metric I suppose the rest of the world is out of step with america > >don We inherited our system from the British. But we keep it to annoy the French. Article 29404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AE57E21.FAAAAEA7@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First year beekeeper... References: <3AE425A3.E374B127@yahoo.com> <3ae4bd3c@news.turbotek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:22:41 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 988118775 216.224.203.6 (Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:26:15 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:26:15 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29404 what is fumadil for? K Adney wrote: > > Taylor Francis wrote in message <3AE425A3.E374B127@yahoo.com>... > >What medication (if any) should I use and when and how? Do I treat a > >new hive for varroa or afb or what? > > Others may disagree but I didn't treat for varroa with my new hives until > the following fall. I understand package bees are usually treated before > they're sent (or apistan strips are included with the bees). I did however > use fumadil when I fed them that spring. I'm just a hobbyist with a couple > of hives. > > ken Article 29405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9baelq$si6$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <3ae5599c$1_1@news.chariot.net.au> Subject: Re: Will they swarm? Lines: 30 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:27:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 988126029 12.73.42.23 (Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:27:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:27:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29405 What are non swarming bees? Seems to be a contradiction if there are cells present. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there ".db" wrote in message news:3ae5599c$1_1@news.chariot.net.au... > If you have non swarming bees. You should be able to add2or 3boxes check the > queen is preasent befor destroying queen cells > > don > > > "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message > news:9baelq$si6$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > I did an inspection of one of my hives today and am worried about what I > > saw. First, the hive was so packed with bees that there was even a > cluster > > > Article 29406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:32:25 -0400 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <9c46ar$bskn9$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3ADEB15E.56DCBEBA@diablo-ca.com> <3ADF1726.C9B6529F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <9bp99a$a8ug2$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3AE08162.F9610691@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 988126366 12473065 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29406 Chip Taylor! -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "John Edwards" wrote in message news:3AE08162.F9610691@tucson.ars.ag.gov... > > > BeeFarmer wrote: > > > I have had some luck with swarm lures not to say I am happy to see my bees > > swarm. I currently am using lures produced by University of Kansas, > > Entomology > > Program. I will see how these work out this year. If all goes well and I > > managed my bees correctly I won't need them for my bees : ) > > The pheromone lures are not very effective for keeping bees in the hives or > catching them "on their way out of town", but for swarms which are moving across > the landscape looking for new digs, especially when the swarm is sending out > scouts searching. > p.s. ..... is Dr. Orley Taylor still at/in Kansas or Kansas State ?? > Article 29407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mating flight or Swarm? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:31:49 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3AE5C695.1F740D6@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29407 All, Was home for lunch when the wife shouted something about a swarm! Sure enough this hive was boiling bees out ninety to nothing. First some history on the hive. This hive had swarmed a week ago and I was lucky enough to get the queen and a cupful of bees. Her wing was clipped so she couldn't go far and the main swarm had taken off looking for her. She was only about 10 feet in front of the hive on the ground. So I took her and the bees with her and put them in a new brood box. Pulled 2 frames of capped brood and bees plus 1 frame of honey from the hive, put foundation and a hive feeder in and closed it up. Pretty soon here comes this HUGE cloud of bees back into the original hive. Today here comes another swarm of bees out. Or was it a mating flight? Lasted about 15 minutes and everybody started going back in to the hive. I know this hive had 4 queen cells in it after the first swarm because I broke it completely down and looked at all the frames. Found at least 1 queen cell open so closed the whole thing back up and now I'm just waiting for brood. Never saw any inclination to gather on a tree limb and the main cloud seemed to be at least 20 feet or so in the air. I really think it was a mating flight, but guess time will tell. Anyway it was a unique and interesting experience. Gary J. Article 29408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AE5F9AF.FC05FF5F@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Queenless Package Hive Lines: 36 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:06:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 988171614 12.73.40.15 (Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:06:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:06:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29408 It is not unheard of to receive a package with a virgin queen in amongst the other bees. It is possible that the a virgin was shaken into the package and shipped with a mated caged queen. I had this happen about 5 years ago and the virgin killed 2 queens before I finally figured it out. It is very possible that a virgin has just been mated and is just lousy at laying. Give it another week or so and see if the pattern improves. If it looks hopeless after that then I think your best bet is to combine it with one of the other packages and then when that colony has taken off, split it. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3AE5F9AF.FC05FF5F@nospam.boeing.com... > I installed some new 3-lb packages April 6. I had one of the hives > reject their queen. I ordered another and they rejected her too. Now the > hive has been queenless for over two weeks and I inspected the hive > today and found multiple eggs in cells -> laying worker. > > Is there any way to make this hive queenright again? They don't seem to > want a purchased queen. What do I do about the laying worker? This is a > package colony and not an established hive. > > TIA, > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) Date: 24 Apr 2001 20:43:02 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 97 Message-ID: <9c5h46028ka@drn.newsguy.com> References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-918.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29409 Allen Dick said: >Perhaps also, the bees on the vanguard of the invasion are naturally a >self-selecting, exaggerated version of the AHB -- those which are most >swarmy and most restless. Once the bees colonise and fill an area, perhaps >less wild, more settled and productive characteristics dominate the >population more and more over time as they adapt. I don't follow the line of reasoning used. From what I have read, the AHB's success versus the European honeybee is due to several factors: a) Much more frequent swarming b) A focus on building small colonies up to a swarming point, rather than building a large colony with stores to overwinter. c) A habit of absconding when (nectar, water, pollen, predator) conditions are less than ideal d) An ability to travel further than EHBs when swarming or absconding. Much further. Given the above, it would seem reasonable that the "most swarmy" lines of AHB would become the most common lines, and the "more swarmy" the colonies, the more "swarmy" drones would be available for mating with queens (both AHB and EHB queens). Therefore, it would seem to be reasonable to conclude that over time, only regular re-queening from stock bred outside the range of the AHB can prevent ALL honeybees within the "range" of the AHB from becoming the most blatantly "swarmy AHB-ish" bees. >After all, it makes sense that those that spread out the most quickly would >be the swarmiest and most adventurous ones, but the others would eventually >catch up... But "Less swarmy" means "less successful" in terms of the AHB's agenda. Does it not follow that "more swarmy" AHB will outnumber "less swarmy" lines of AHB by a wide margin? The "less swarmy" lines would be out-bred, outnumbered in the drone congregation areas, outmaneuvered, and out-traveled. I'd guess that the "less swarmy" lines would simply cease to exist. >Eventually the more settled and productive charcteristics may even >out-compete the original traits. As the migration slows, the bees >may adapt and become less troublesome and more like the bees we know >and love. From what I have read, the AHB clearly has shown that it will out-compete the EHB, even when the EHB has the help of man. The "worst" traits of the AHB are exactly the ones that will insure that it dominates the tropical and sub-tropical zones. The AHBs simply have a different agenda than the beekeeper. >After all, the wild characteristics do not work in the bees' favour >in the USA. Where it is warm, the "wild characteristics" seem to assure their total domination of the bee habitats that can support bees at all. I would submit that the southern USA is an area where the AHB has proven it can survive. Sadly, this temperature zone is where most of the US queen breeders and package suppliers are. >Those that can fit in and co-operate with humans are not >sought out and killed, but fed and coddled and moved from >state to state. Lucky for Northerners, the exact strategy that allows the AHB to outnumber the EHB in tropical and sub-tropical areas will NOT allow it to survive even a mild winter. AHB colonies are smaller, and put their energy into swarming, not stores. One good cold spell, and the AHB hives are dead hives. >My understanding is that over time these bees have become less of a problem >in South America and that huge amounts of honey are produced there. While Argentina has done well, one must recall that southern Argentina is as far from the equator as Canada, and well outside the range of the AHB. It would be interesting to hear from people who are dealing with the AHB in an area where they can't be "frozen out". >I know little more than that... I only know what I read. The best book I have seen on the subject is by Mark L. Winston, "Killer Bees" (Harvard University Press, 1992) The paperback was only $10.95 US, with prices slightly higher where the money comes in day-glo colors... :) Article 29410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BearLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Did I do the right thing??????? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-Trace: /Kkf2K4O4/hzgdIeFInB07qjTQG3glm0Qhgd8+D3eXMWyxodqbcZNnQE58EFG3AtjPFxXhHGfsRn!yNn8z/JFkUyJEjJbXBdy5ZLTIjb8QLzH90tnedQDI2FIvDtFA11bU+JDI4QOY2J09o6fGfkkX0+O!uVH8TY2F X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:28:05 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:28:05 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29410 Went out to the hives today...to put on supers and to my amazement 1 of my hives had a population explosion. Swarm cells within a few days of being capped too. So this is what I did. -cut out all the queen cells -pulled out 6 frames of brood of various stages...there were still at least 6 left... -put in 7 fully drawn frames (1 replaced feeder but I didn't feed them this spring) -not sure which hive queen is in...but I figure 1 can raise its own. I tried to equalize the amount of bees in each hive...but I think the parent hive still has twice the bees in it. well did I do the right thing?...and im sure I should cut queen cells every few days for a while...who knows???????? Joe Article 29411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BearLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Did I do the right thing??????? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-Trace: /wq5/f8R72YNgkwy5EO8RyTITRsxPh0Y12RnFZ9idgh7Y/KbhIOqg7FmZNpM+qmC3TbxAfl4a8ad!VZ6FOyYJX+mHxWIDlLbwFBmzaO9ob0q9mU+s1Z3aI8zM4dDnX+Z4wCV+cjg/0rBmi34IloMK25mj!z5Jnuczu X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:33:28 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:33:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29411 By the way...in Washington state...had snow 2.5 weeks ago...and queen was result of a swarm late last year...she was from a b-weaver buckfast. If this helps....just cant believe the population...looks like mid summer levels...couldn't hardly fit in 2 hive bodies. joe Article 29412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AE5C695.1F740D6@okstate.edu> Subject: Re: Mating flight or Swarm? Lines: 42 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5WCF6.34870$RF1.2963845@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 988216065 12.73.42.91 (Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:45 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29412 I had the same thing occur and posted here about 2 weeks ago. Sure enough, after 2 aborted attempts they finally did swarm! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Gary Johns" wrote in message news:3AE5C695.1F740D6@okstate.edu... > All, > > Was home for lunch when the wife shouted something about a swarm! Sure > enough this hive was boiling bees out ninety to nothing. First some > history on the hive. > > This hive had swarmed a week ago and I was lucky enough to get the queen > and a cupful of bees. Her wing was clipped so she couldn't go far and > the main swarm had taken off looking for her. She was only about 10 feet > in front of the hive on the ground. So I took her and the bees with her > and put them in a new brood box. Pulled 2 frames of capped brood and > bees plus 1 frame of honey from the hive, put foundation and a hive > feeder in and closed it up. Pretty soon here comes this HUGE cloud of > bees back into the original hive. > > Today here comes another swarm of bees out. Or was it a mating flight? > Lasted about 15 minutes and everybody started going back in to the hive. > I know this hive had 4 queen cells in it after the first swarm because I > broke it completely down and looked at all the frames. Found at least 1 > queen cell open so closed the whole thing back up and now I'm just > waiting for brood. Never saw any inclination to gather on a tree limb > and the main cloud seemed to be at least 20 feet or so in the air. I > really think it was a mating flight, but guess time will tell. Anyway it > was a unique and interesting experience. > > Gary J. > Article 29413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Did I do the right thing??????? Lines: 42 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <6WCF6.34871$RF1.2965192@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 988216066 12.73.42.91 (Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29413 Seems a shame that you cut out all the nice plump queen cells if your intention is to let 1 half raise a new one. IMO, the split should have included the old queen and the original colony left with all the queen cells. If you missed a cell and the old queen is still in there, they may swarm yet. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "BearLc" wrote in message news:pnsF6.1796$ul5.604729@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > Went out to the hives today...to put on supers and to my amazement 1 of my > hives had a population explosion. Swarm cells within a few days of being > capped too. So this is what I did. > > -cut out all the queen cells > -pulled out 6 frames of brood of various stages...there were still at least > 6 left... > -put in 7 fully drawn frames (1 replaced feeder but I didn't feed them this > spring) > -not sure which hive queen is in...but I figure 1 can raise its own. > > I tried to equalize the amount of bees in each hive...but I think the parent > hive still has twice the bees in it. > > well did I do the right thing?...and im sure I should cut queen cells every > few days for a while...who knows???????? > > Joe > > Article 29414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Did I do the right thing??????? Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <7WCF6.34872$RF1.2965672@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 988216067 12.73.42.91 (Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29414 Yes. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "BeArLc" wrote in message news:tedmretdgqrkcf@corp.supernews.com... > Another thing....If i can find the queen in the parent hive...at this point > could i slip the frame she is on...into the new hive w/o her getting killed? > ...been less than 24 hours > > Joe > > > Article 29415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010425042809.25835.00001625@ng-mq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Honey production correlated with latitude? Lines: 39 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <8WCF6.34873$RF1.2965707@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 988216068 12.73.42.91 (Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:27:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29415 I think another factor that may be more important than latitude from a strictly geographic standpoint would be the increase in human population and loss of forage as you move south in No. America. Another factor is what type of cultivated crops are grown. For example, a great portion of Florida is swamp and not accessible to commercial honey production; California has vast acreage dedicated to growing rice where the Dakotas may have more alfalfa, clover; Canada produces a lot of canola, etc. I have never seen rice honey. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20010425042809.25835.00001625@ng-mq1.aol.com... > In the last issue of BEE CULTURE (April), the figures from the last USDA Honey > Report are given--which generally show that states in the far North seem to > produce (proportionally) a lot more honey than ones further south, i.e., North > and South Dakota. > > I understand from having visited Allen Dick's site and reading about Canadian > beekeepers in the information presented at the last APIMONDIA in Vancouver, > B.C. that their production is quite good, sort of having more "midnight sun" > so to speak. So, bottom line, is honey production somewhat directly > correlated with latitude? As you keep proceeding North, does it get better > and better or what are the factors that finally limit the output of honey > geographically and otherwise? Just curious is all...... Article 29416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Apr 2001 08:28:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Honey production correlated with latitude? Message-ID: <20010425042809.25835.00001625@ng-mq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29416 In the last issue of BEE CULTURE (April), the figures from the last USDA Honey Report are given--which generally show that states in the far North seem to produce (proportionally) a lot more honey than ones further south, i.e., North and South Dakota. I understand from having visited Allen Dick's site and reading about Canadian beekeepers in the information presented at the last APIMONDIA in Vancouver, B.C. that their production is quite good, sort of having more "midnight sun" so to speak. So, bottom line, is honey production somewhat directly correlated with latitude? As you keep proceeding North, does it get better and better or what are the factors that finally limit the output of honey geographically and otherwise? Just curious is all...... Article 29417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Apr 2001 08:39:06 GMT References: <20010402172320.08909.00001789@ng-mo1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: swarm lures Message-ID: <20010425043906.25835.00001626@ng-mq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29417 I've used swarm containers ("bait hives"?) for the past few years--usually I catch several of them, so I consider it worthwhile. Buzzylee Article 29418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AE6ADFD.AA31061A@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I do the right thing??????? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:59:09 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 988195984 206.231.24.6 (Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:53:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:53:04 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29418 I wonder if these colonies that have huge amounts of brood early might have two queens. I once united two weak colonies in the fall, without killing either queen. This hive had 12 frames of brood early the next spring, when most had 4 to 7. It was so strong early that it made a super of honey from soft Maple which is unheard of here. Both queens were in this colony. Just a thought. BearLc wrote: > By the way...in Washington state...had snow 2.5 weeks ago...and queen was > result of a swarm late last year...she was from a b-weaver buckfast. > > If this helps....just cant believe the population...looks like mid summer > levels...couldn't hardly fit in 2 hive bodies. > > joe Article 29419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Queenless Package Hive X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3AE743FF.71D8F4AF@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3AE5F9AF.FC05FF5F@nospam.boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:39:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29419 Thanks George I will look out for that. Another reason I think the hive queenless is that the workers continue to cluster around the empty queen cage as it lays on the ground by the hive. I don't see this behavior with the queenright package colonies. George Styer wrote: > > It is not unheard of to receive a package with a virgin queen in amongst the > other bees. It is possible that the a virgin was shaken into the package and > shipped with a mated caged queen. I had this happen about 5 years ago and > the virgin killed 2 queens before I finally figured it out. It is very > possible that a virgin has just been mated and is just lousy at laying. Give > it another week or so and see if the pattern improves. If it looks hopeless > after that then I think your best bet is to combine it with one of the other > packages and then when that colony has taken off, split it. > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 29420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Apr 2001 22:29:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Observation hive Message-ID: <20010425182940.20385.00000968@ng-de1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29420 There is a good chance that some, if not all the bees will leave the hive and return to their normal hive if they are close. When I make observation hives, I usually use a week hive, take the queen and comb containing brood with them I add the left over bees to another hive. This way the bees will stay with the queen. Two frames is usually small and the bees may eventully swarm from it unless you manage the size or use a queen excluder on the entrance so the queen can not leave. I have gone with 4 frames and will try to make a 6 frame hive, 2 deep 3 high, eventually. >When I put the bees in it, will >I have to move it out of the yard so the bees don't fly back? If so how far >away will I have to move it? Article 29421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp.csufresno.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I do the right thing??????? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:10:37 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29421 Another thing....If i can find the queen in the parent hive...at this point could i slip the frame she is on...into the new hive w/o her getting killed? ...been less than 24 hours Joe Article 29422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "G. Rutherford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation hive Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:00:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.69.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 988214454 24.66.69.64 (Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:00:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:00:54 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29422 Over the winter I found time to make a 2 frame observation hive, but don't have a clue what to do now. My plan is to take 2 frames from a strong hive and buy a mated queen. How long can they stay in the observation hive? A number of schools would like to display it. When I put the bees in it, will I have to move it out of the yard so the bees don't fly back? If so how far away will I have to move it? Thanks again! Article 29423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AE774D3.4B12DD41@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars References: <20010424063654.04805.00000868@ng-ct1.aol.com> <3AE55CCA.64E910DA@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:07:31 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 988246863 208.13.202.37 (Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:01:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:01:03 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29423 I guess we have to clarify which side of the pond we live on. Webster's says, "The U.S. standard gallon contains 231 cubic inches, or 8.3359 pounds avoirdupois of distilled water at its maximum density (4 degrees F?) with the barometer standing at 30 inches. The standard gallon in the UK is......? JAF wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:00:27 -0400, michael palmer > wrote: > > > The old saying refers to a > >gallon of water which weighs 8 pounds. > > Except where it's 10 pounds. > -- > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > www.jaf.co.uk > I'm going to live forever. So far, so good. Article 29424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 27 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Apr 2001 02:58:13 GMT References: <3AE774D3.4B12DD41@together.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Honey Jars Message-ID: <20010425225813.02522.00000411@ng-fv1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29424 > I guess we have to clarify which side of the pond we live on. Webster's >says, "The U.S. standard gallon contains 231 cubic inches, or 8.3359 >pounds avoirdupois of distilled water at its maximum density (4 degrees >F?) with the barometer standing at 30 inches. The standard gallon in the >UK is......? > >JAF wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:00:27 -0400, michael palmer >> wrote: >> >> > The old saying refers to a >> >gallon of water which weighs 8 pounds. >> >> Except where it's 10 pounds. >> -- >> jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk >> www.jaf.co.uk >> I'm going to live forever. So far, so good. > Well, since we are talking about Honey... I figure the weight of water is highly irrelevant...or is it just me? Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 29425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Did I do the right thing??????? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:47:16 -0700 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-100.reachone.com Message-ID: <3ae78b33@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 25 Apr 2001 19:42:59 -0700, tc1-100.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-100.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29425 BearLc wrote >If this helps....just cant believe the population...looks like mid summer >levels...couldn't hardly fit in 2 hive bodies. > >joe > Same here. I was last in 'em less than 10 days ago & they had room to spare. Today the hive bodies were full & they had burr comb twice the size of my hands. I had to cut it all out leaving 'em sitting on the ground in front of the hive & put supers on. Blackberries and fireweed isn't even near in bloom yet! Must be a good year! ken Article 29426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating flight or Swarm? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:18:50 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3AE7312A.DFED346F@okstate.edu> References: <3AE5C695.1F740D6@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29426 All, Today they emerged again around lunch time. This time they choose a branch to settle upon so I must assume it is truly a swarm afterall. Still a fascinating thing to watch in progress. Gary J. Article 29451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Apr 2001 07:09:52 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Liability insurance for hobby Message-ID: <20010427030952.06298.00002220@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29451 I have homeowners and a personal umbrella policy. My agent told me that the homeowners covers my hives on my property (I have ten right now) and my "umbrella" those stored elsewhere (or if in a freak accident while showing my observation hive to others). I don't have that in writing.\ Buzzylee Article 29452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:43:28 -0500 Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3ADEB15E.56DCBEBA@diablo-ca.com><3ADF1726.C9B6529F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ6bR6VSg2ggY3pw2KVUZqAhP3wLE7iZW6vZSo3zSvegAVZoWUwHY2g X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2001 05:44:48 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29452 Hello John - > #1: I was directed to adopt the point of view you saw in the mentioned post. > My > post immediately generated several private (and surprised) responses from > researchers with much heavier credentials than mine. Can you tell me what your point of view is then? "Generated several private responses" meaning from researchers who did not agree with the adopted point of view or who also were directing you on this point of view? This makes it sound like there are a lot of 'politics' behind the AHB issue. > Anyone > interested in this subject should read Dr. Orley Taylor's writings. He was/is > a true prophet of the way the AHB advance would play out, based on his and > other's work in central America near the advancing AHB front. I thought Dr. Taylor's background had to do with butterflies. I find Dr. Erickson's credentials to be far more noteworthy (a honey bee behaviorist, well acquainted with the behavior of many of the honey bee phenotypes first bred by Dr. C. L. Farrar and subsequently by Dr. F. E. Moeller and Mr. E. R. Harp at Madison.) at the time of this article back in 1986. Here is an article that shoots straight and deals with the AHB issue with level headedness. I wish I had read it a long time ago. In fact, wasn't it Dr. Erickson who was first sent to Tucson to run the only Bio bee lab in the country? I thought if anyone was going to be a prophet it would be Erickson with all his experience. Correct me if I'm wrong .... It's been known to happen! http://www.beesource.com/pov/ahb/bcsept86.htm http://www.beesource.com/pov/ahb/bcoct86.htm > As an aside, the introduced AHB genetics were even considered at one point as > the cause of the mysterious "disappearing disease", because of the AHB's lack > of winter tolerance. Is this still an accepted belief? > #4: The Lusbys are extremely inventive and dedicated beekeepers, and I have > much respect for their work ethic and determination. They do not migrate, and > have bees > that are exceedingly well adapted to the savannah/brush/chaparral surroundings > they live in. I would imagine that beekeepers in other areas would do well to > adopt the Lusby's selection methods for producing better bees in other parts > of the world. There is no "all-purpose bee line", IMHO. Amen. I see a lot of wisdom in how they keep bees. Regards, Barry Article 29453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Robert Jones Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When should i apply strips?????? Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 7:10:47 -0500 Organization: Puma WoodWorks Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01HW.B70ECBF7000386420D7CDA10@nntp.wilkes.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.216.33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 988369440 335505 207.144.216.33 (27 Apr 2001 11:04:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:04:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.1 (Macintosh) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29453 You don't want to put Apistan or any other medication in your hive untill after the last honey flow of the season if you plan to rob the honey. Last of August or early September. Depending on the honey flows of your area. If you dont plan to eat the honey you can put them in now. Article 29454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hONEY ON THE iSLE OF wIGHT Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:46:17 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 1 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29454 Any producers here I can recommend? Article 29455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: four-legged queen Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:33:54 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <9cccl9$lgt$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3AE9801D.193D3056@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3.lutetium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 988394985 22045 62.136.55.3 (27 Apr 2001 18:09:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2001 18:09:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29455 "Paul Waites" wrote in message news:3AE9801D.193D3056@york.ac.uk... > Hi all, > > Here in the North of England I have only just had chance to sort out my > three hives as the weather has been just awful.... Join the club. Not any better in Perthshire > the three hives had a few queen cups present (a bit early I thought), > and one had a nice grub being reared in it.... I squished it as the cell > was still open and I don't want my best hive to swarm. Later in the > inspection I found the queen hobbling along on four legs (three on one > side and one hind leg on the other). She seems o.k. but in that > condition would she be able to get round the hive?.... Perhaps these > queen cells were to supersede her? Definitely. If she's still laying anything like OK, I'd personally try and keep her going till there are some drones around which will be a wee while yet. You'd have to keep a good eye out for cells and check she's still working each time before you destroy them. I don't know how long they'd put up with this before they commit regicide. This is all in my humble opinion you understand! David Article 29456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news.tele.dk!195.54.122.107!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!uio.no!nntp.uib.no!knuts From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (knut pedersn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen excluder for african bees Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:34:34 GMT Organization: im Lines: 4 Message-ID: <9cb3ni$25cc$1@toralf.uib.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-65-145.im.uib.no X-Trace: toralf.uib.no 988353074 71052 129.177.65.145 (27 Apr 2001 06:31:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uib.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2001 06:31:14 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29456 Apis mellifera scutellata, the bees found in east Africa are smaler than European bees. Is it possible to use European queen excluder with the African bees? Need the information for a queen breding program in Uganda. Knut Article 29457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where Can I Purchase a Package This Late? Date: 27 Apr 2001 19:29:30 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9cchaq$sti$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 988399770 29618 128.173.176.162 (27 Apr 2001 19:29:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2001 19:29:30 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29457 I am a one or two hive amatuer and have done so for about thirty years. My apparently healthy hive turned up dead when the weather finally got warm enough for an inspection. They left two hive bodies full of Apistan loaded honey and there is no sign of foulbrood, varroa, etc. In fact, there were not even many dead bees. It is getting pretty late to replace them. I would appreciate recommendations of a source that might supply a three pound package and queen in fairly short order. I had thought I might try a midnight queen again. I tried calling York Bee at 912-427-7311, but I cannot get their phone to answer. The e-mail address on their web site does not work either. A midnight queen is not essential, but speed is. Will someone help me who knows a good source. I am in Southwest Virginia. Article 29458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Liability insurance for hobby Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <20010427030952.06298.00002220@ng-cg1.aol.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:50:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 988357841 209.204.149.238 (Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:50:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:50:41 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29458 In article <20010427030952.06298.00002220@ng-cg1.aol.com>, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: > I have homeowners and a personal umbrella policy. My agent told me that the > homeowners covers my hives on my property (I have ten right now) and my > "umbrella" those stored elsewhere (or if in a freak accident while showing my > observation hive to others). I don't have that in writing. Rule Number One of insurance: If it ain't covered *IN WRITING*, assume that it ain't covered at all. An insurance agent will tell you anything he thinks you want to hear as part of his effort to get you to buy the policy. Trying to collect in the event something "unusual" happens is frequently another story altogether. Also beware of the "Force of Nature"/"Act of God" exclusions... I've got no concrete examples to quote, but I can easily see a bee incident being classified as a "Force of Nature" by an insurance company that doesn't want to pay off. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 29459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making room for the queen.... Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:52:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3ae959c0.120375501@news1.radix.net> References: <3ae8851b.65938176@news1.radix.net> <3AE8A7AA.E422969F@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29459 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:56:42 GMT, MaGa wrote: >Hello. >I'm just a bee rookey, I've had bees about 3 years now, but thought it >was a bad thing to seperate brood. I thought you should keep the brood >together, as contiguous as possible. And so if you needed to add room >for more brood, either drawn comb or foundation should be placed between >the brood and the outside pollen and honey stores. So was I misinformed? >I think I read this information in the ABC XYZ's of beekeeping book. > >And I do believe everything I read and nothing I see. Wait, transpose >that. > Look in any big strong hive with an unrestricted queen and you will find brood everywhere.. Drawn comb placed inside the brood will attract the queen because her foot pheramones aren't present. Bees can communicate with one another just as easily around a sheet of foundation as they can a sheet of comb. This is a good way to hold back swarming as it disrupts the brood. Keep in mind that I said "when warm enough." You can't do this if there are not enough bees to cover all the brood and keep it warm at night. Don't believe everything you read. There has been a lot written about the newspaper method. No commercial beekeepers use it because we know the bees can't read. The reality is that someone dreamed it up, it doesn't hurt the bees, so it must work. Doing the exact same thing without the paper gets the same results. beekeep Article 29460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Apr 2001 11:54:17 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Liability insurance for hobby Message-ID: <20010427075417.13604.00001006@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29460 Insurance fully covers 100% anything that doesn't happen. Article 29461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Apr 2001 11:57:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bees crawling away from the hive Message-ID: <20010427075749.13604.00001007@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29461 1 it's likely trachael mites it clogs them up pretty good and crawly bees is a sign of a bad case of them. 2 it's a pesticide hit it's lawn grub killer and home orchard spray season over more than half of the country. Article 29462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where Can I Purchase a Package This Late? Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:39:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3ae9d8d0.152903258@news1.radix.net> References: <9cchaq$sti$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29462 On 27 Apr 2001 19:29:30 GMT, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: >I am a one or two hive amatuer and have done so for about thirty years. My >apparently healthy hive turned up dead when the weather finally got warm enough >for an inspection. They left two hive bodies full of Apistan loaded honey and >there is no sign of foulbrood, varroa, etc. In fact, there were not even many >dead bees. >It is getting pretty late to replace them. I would appreciate recommendations >of a source that might supply a three pound package and queen in fairly short >order. >I had thought I might try a midnight queen again. I tried calling York Bee at >912-427-7311, but I cannot get their phone to answer. The e-mail address on >their web site does not work either. A midnight queen is not essential, but >speed is. Will someone help me who knows a good source. I am in Southwest >Virginia. > Ask you state bee inspector. He may know a commercial guy with a few nucs left. I'm still selling them here in Maryland. beekeep Article 29463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees crawling away from the hive Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:37:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3ae9d844.152763416@news1.radix.net> References: <20010427075749.13604.00001007@ng-cp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29463 On 27 Apr 2001 11:57:49 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >1 it's likely trachael mites it clogs them up pretty good and crawly bees is a >sign of a bad case of them. >2 it's a pesticide hit it's lawn grub killer and home orchard spray season over >more than half of the country. > 3 They are crawling their way under the iron curtain to freedom. Article 29464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder for african bees Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:18:26 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3AE9D412.3C74BB99@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9cb3ni$25cc$1@toralf.uib.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29464 I've tried to get somebody interested in testing this for about 3 years now, but it is too simple and labor-intensive for most people. - John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona, USA knut pedersn wrote: > Apis mellifera scutellata, the bees found in east Africa are smaler than > European bees. Is it possible to use European queen excluder with the African > bees? Need the information for a queen breding program in Uganda. > Knut -- ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 29465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.deepthot.org!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!nic-163-c160-238.mn.mediaone.NET!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,alt.beer.home-brewing,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,rec.food.historic,alt.fairs.renaissance Subject: New group: rec.crafts.meadmaking Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:32:39 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9cbtjh$d2qof$1@ID-81954.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: nic-163-c160-238.mn.mediaone.net (24.163.160.238) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 988379570 13724431 24.163.160.238 (16 [81954]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:71252 rec.crafts.brewing:261514 rec.org.sca:318564 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29465 rec.food.historic:24707 alt.fairs.renaissance:131736 rec.crafts.meadmaking has only been around a month but the group just broke 1,000 posts. Rec.crafts.meadmaking is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the art of making mead. Appropriate topics of discussion include, but are not limited to, the mead making process, recipes, and the history and lore of mead making. This newsgroup is open for the discussion of all types of meads including melomel, metheglin, and braggot. Advertisements are discouraged, the only exception may be one's signature (.sig). Binary postings are discouraged except for small binaries such as PGP signatures. rec.crafts.meadmaking is a new group so if your ISP hasn't added it to their newsfeed yet, you will need to ask them very nicely to add it to their newsfeed so you may subscribe to it. Christopher Hadden Article 29466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South Florida Honey Flows Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:47:35 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29466 see "Beekeeping: Florida Bee Botany" at http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/AA088 with more info on fla. beekeeping at http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/scripts/htmlgen.exe?MENU_AA:BEEKEEPING and still more to be found at apis newsletter website http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm Article 29467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: four-legged queen Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:20:13 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 26 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3AE9801D.193D3056@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 988381344 7122 144.32.85.141 (27 Apr 2001 14:22:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 2001 14:22:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29467 Hi all, Here in the North of England I have only just had chance to sort out my three hives as the weather has been just awful.... Anyway the best of the three hives had a few queen cups present (a bit early I thought), and one had a nice grub being reared in it.... I squished it as the cell was still open and I don't want my best hive to swarm. Later in the inspection I found the queen hobbling along on four legs (three on one side and one hind leg on the other). She seems o.k. but in that condition would she be able to get round the hive?.... Perhaps these queen cells were to supersede her? Any theories as to what to do next would be welcome. It is too early in the year here to purchase a replacement queen.. Any help welcomed. Thanks, Paul. -------------------------------------------- Paul Waites York. U.K. http://www.waites.demon.co.uk/bee/welcome.htm Article 29468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating flight or Swarm? Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:14:31 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3AE99AE7.ED954DD6@okstate.edu> References: <3AE5C695.1F740D6@okstate.edu> <3AE7312A.DFED346F@okstate.edu> <3AE8A84A.7A3AAFDF@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: galoot.ets.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29468 80-83 degrees. And yes it was a swarm. They are happily located in a hive elsewhere. MaGa wrote: > Is it really warm where you are at? I seen my bees just ball up spend > all day outdoors. Like it was to crowded in the house, more room to > lounge around outside. Then in the evening, even after dark, they all > march back in for supper or some other bee event. > > Gary Johns wrote: > > > > All, > > > > Today they emerged again around lunch time. This time they choose a branch > > to settle upon so I must assume it is truly a swarm afterall. Still a > > fascinating thing to watch in progress. > > > > Gary J. Article 29469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees crawling away from the hive Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:54:46 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010427075749.13604.00001007@ng-cp1.aol.com> <3ae9d844.152763416@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29469 I hope ya'll don't think that I'm crazy (well...maybe a little) but these bees only do this crawling thing late in the evening. During the day they just come and go like good little bees. I haven't seen any dead bees anywhere. I've only had these bees for two weeks. I hope they didn't come from the apiary with the mites. I thought the Russian were supposed to be mite resistant. I guess nobody told the mites. My other hive (about 20 ft away) is 3 years old and looks normal. The old hive is Italian....maybe they know something that the Russians don't. If it is mites, where can I get menthol real fast to put in the hive? What do ya'll recommend? BTW, I'm in S.C. "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ae9d844.152763416@news1.radix.net... > On 27 Apr 2001 11:57:49 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > > >1 it's likely trachael mites it clogs them up pretty good and crawly bees is a > >sign of a bad case of them. > >2 it's a pesticide hit it's lawn grub killer and home orchard spray season over > >more than half of the country. > > > 3 They are crawling their way under the iron curtain to freedom. > Article 29470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bman896@aol.com (Bman896) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Apr 2001 23:05:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: slide show Message-ID: <20010427190548.17866.00001284@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29470 Hi: Where thinking of putting together a slide show for talks at schools and meetings? The question is what is the best type of equipment to buy, since I know nothing about slides or is their a better way of showing slides??? John Article 29471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Apr 2001 02:05:18 GMT References: <9cchaq$sti$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Where Can I Purchase a Package This Late? Message-ID: <20010427220518.00976.00001097@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29471 York is probably too busy shaking package bees to answer the phone. Someday they will put an answering machine with a message to let folks know they didn't go belly up thy are just busy but they saved you a nickel just the same. Hook up with another beekeeper for a few frames of brood and order some mail order queens. It was warm enough for inspections over a month ago. Article 29472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AE9801D.193D3056@york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: four-legged queen Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:26:17 -0700 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-28.reachone.com Message-ID: <3aea3737@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 27 Apr 2001 20:21:27 -0700, tc1-28.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-28.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29472 Paul Waites wrote Perhaps these >queen cells were to supersede her? > I'm just a hobbyist, but a pro (300 hundred hives) says the only difference between a swarm & a supercedure is where the queen cell is placed. If it's at the bottom, it's a swarm. If it's at the top of the frame, it's a supercedure (she passes pherenomes on as she crawls across the comb). He's got these little plastic doodads that you can put a queen cup in and restick them on the frame higher up. Can't speak from personal experience, but it makes sense to me. Ken Article 29473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!spamfilter!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Lindhout" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9cchaq$sti$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ae9d8d0.152903258@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Where Can I Purchase a Package This Late? Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:31:59 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.141.246.107 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 988428697 206.141.246.107 (Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:31:37 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:31:37 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29473 York is in business, but this time of year they are really busy. You need to call REALLY early in the morning to reach them. We normally just fax them. I expect a shipment from them this next week. "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ae9d8d0.152903258@news1.radix.net... > On 27 Apr 2001 19:29:30 GMT, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: > > >I am a one or two hive amatuer and have done so for about thirty years. My > >apparently healthy hive turned up dead when the weather finally got warm enough > >for an inspection. They left two hive bodies full of Apistan loaded honey and > >there is no sign of foulbrood, varroa, etc. In fact, there were not even many > >dead bees. > >It is getting pretty late to replace them. I would appreciate recommendations > >of a source that might supply a three pound package and queen in fairly short > >order. > >I had thought I might try a midnight queen again. I tried calling York Bee at > >912-427-7311, but I cannot get their phone to answer. The e-mail address on > >their web site does not work either. A midnight queen is not essential, but > >speed is. Will someone help me who knows a good source. I am in Southwest > >Virginia. > > > Ask you state bee inspector. He may know a commercial guy with a few > nucs left. I'm still selling them here in Maryland. > > beekeep > Article 29474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Duriglit foundation. Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:13:50 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.8e X-Server-Date: 28 Apr 2001 04:55:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29474 My bees have stripped some of the wax off the plastic base on the duriglit foundation. Is it worth re-using these frames or should I just put new foundation in the frames? Will they rebuild the comb? This was done late last when the conditions were not very good. Thank you David A. Article 29475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AE9801D.193D3056@york.ac.uk> <9cccl9$lgt$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: four-legged queen Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:25:52 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.126.38 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 988436006 212.137.126.38 (Sat, 28 Apr 2001 06:33:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 06:33:26 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29475 Lucky to have sorted anything! Here in the Midlands we have just had two fair days - and I have been at work. At this early stage in the season I think that I would let the bees sort out your queen problem - they have been managing quite well for quite a few years before man started interfering. Later in the season you may be able to help a bit. "David" wrote in message news:9cccl9$lgt$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Paul Waites" wrote in message > news:3AE9801D.193D3056@york.ac.uk... > > Hi all, > > > > Here in the North of England I have only just had chance to sort out my > > three hives as the weather has been just awful.... > > Join the club. Not any better in Perthshire > > > the three hives had a few queen cups present (a bit early I thought), > > and one had a nice grub being reared in it.... I squished it as the cell > > was still open and I don't want my best hive to swarm. Later in the > > inspection I found the queen hobbling along on four legs (three on one > > side and one hind leg on the other). She seems o.k. but in that > > condition would she be able to get round the hive?.... Perhaps these > > queen cells were to supersede her? > > Definitely. If she's still laying anything like OK, I'd personally try and > keep her going till there are some drones around which will be a wee while > yet. You'd have to keep a good eye out for cells and check she's still > working each time before you destroy them. I don't know how long they'd put > up with this before they commit regicide. > > This is all in my humble opinion you understand! > > David > > > > > > Article 29476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killing a wild hive Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:46:40 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AEA5940.F3C3358C@bryder.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3AE10828.132B6346@bryder.net> <9bslp4$fbi$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29476 What's the Cone Method? My neighbor would like them gone but is not in a huge hurry. - Dave James Kilty wrote: > In article <9bslp4$fbi$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, m12345 > writes > >for these circumstances (& for when i find a wasp nest near my hives!) i > >always carry a jar of carbaryl powder. > If you cannot spend the time to use the cone method to deplete the > colony over time, then you should use a compound that degrades quickly. > Also seal the holes (as you suggest) to allow time for this to happen. > Otherwise everybody else's bees will rob it out and take the *poison* > back to their nest and kill a few more colonies. AFAIK carbaryl degrades > slowly. You need a pyrethroid. > -- > James Kilty Article 29477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed2.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <9c5h46028ka@drn.newsguy.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.01.30 Lines: 92 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:48:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.189 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 988451311 198.161.229.189 (Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:48:31 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:48:31 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29477 >I don't follow the line of reasoning used. >From what I have read, the AHB's success versus >the European honeybee is due to several factors: I guess I should reply, but I should first say 1) that I live far from the problem in a country that is isolated by a border closed to continental US bee imports and 2) I only know what I have read and heard, and 3) everything I have read by any authority has been contradicted convincingly by another. The only thing that is clear is that there seems to be something different happening in bee populations in the Americas lately and it seems to be radiating, or have radiated, from Brazil. The phenomenon also seems to have created a new industry for bee scientists and institutions -- and others. My reasoning inthe previous post, and it is only speculation, is based on information that seems to indicate that bees behaviour in some 'Africanized' areas is more acceptable to humans than in others, combined with the knowledge that stock from various parts of Africa have been brought to the USA repeatedly over more than a century, apparently without the effects we are now observing. It seems to me that a) something must be different in this case, b) the whole scenario has yet to play out, c) there is either something very new and different going on here or there isn't and d) that in a country that can walk on the moon when they are in the mood there must be people who know what it is, e) they ain't talking and f) there must be a good reason. I would suspect that the reason is a related to a political dilemma. No matter the true situation has proven to be, publicising it will hurt someone important in the bee science community and at least one important institution, perhaps fatally. Bee reseachers and extension people are a fairly tight knit, underfunded bunch, and no one will intentionally step on anyone else or kill a golden goose. No one will intentionally discredit another or turn off a funding tap. There are almost never more than ritual fights in public. My guess is that nothing is to be gained by putting this matter to rest, and much to be lost. A lot of funding for carreers in bee research and travel has been driven by the threat of AHB. There could be a lot of collective egg-on-the-face and some loss of public respect and funding if the word got around that the threat was overdone or any suspicion that any of the work was badly done or unnecessary -- or that some of it simply copied previous conclusions. If the situation has proven to be hopeless (which I doubt), then an admission of defeat would not help some of the older warriors make it safely and comfortably to a retirement pension. The fact that US bee research, extension and regulatory funding has been badly cut in recent years does not encourage anyone to announce that AHB may turn out to be a routine breeding problem or worse still, a problem that may resolve itself without much loss of human life or resources beyond what has already been caused by government interference. But what is going on then? Are these bees so entirely different and mutated that they are comparable to the new improved version of fire ants that came out a few years back? Apparently not. People truck bees of uncertain parentage over state lines without much hassle AFAIK. If AHB in hives are a threat, then they are apparently a minor one in the real world where crops must be pollinated on schedule. In the back of my mind, though, arguing with the above thoughts, are the puted abilities of at least some of 'Africanized' these bees to maintain or regain their purity and to invade other hives and take them over. There is a suggestion of some behaviours that are very close to those of the Cape bee in regard to fertile workers. IMO, if there is a real difference in this regard from other bees, and if we find these behaviours to be unique to these 'AHB', then this fact may be a basis for a lot of ustified concern, but then, again, I have heard rumours of these same behaviours in our 'tame' bees over the years. Such behaviours are hard to pin down and study, since they are not the kind of thing that we can cause to occur on demand or in every hive, and may not even be all that common. When they occur, beekeepers shake their heads and go read their books again and pretend nothing happened. Such observations are like UFO sightings used to be -- something to keep under one's hat. I also think I know that in the initial incursion of any new critter into a new environment has the largest impact, and that usually over time the environment and the invader adjust to one another. How the AHB may adjust to competition with themselves as the areas fill up and no viable nest sites are available new swarms is another topic and maybe the one I should have written about. There are some things that seem obvious limits to success of wild and crazy swarming. If all the available nest sites are taken, does not the profitability of this strategy diminish. If all the nearby bees are related, does not the profit from invading diminish? If there are occcasional dearths and surplus is routinely removed by beekeepers who also supply feed in near stavation conditons, does not hoarding seem essential? etc. etc. allen Article 29478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!waites.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "John Waites" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: four-legged queen Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:56:19 +0100 Message-ID: <988451588.654.0.nnrp-14.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3AE9801D.193D3056@york.ac.uk> <3aea3737@news.turbotek.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: waites.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: waites.demon.co.uk:194.222.32.70 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 988451588 nnrp-14:654 NO-IDENT waites.demon.co.uk:194.222.32.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 40 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29478 Hi All, (I'm posting from home so the e-mail address may be different). So basically at this time of year it is more likely to be supercedure Iguess it is too early, particularly as its such grotty weather at the moment. (Another hive I opend up had no stores what so ever left so I've started feeding them some syrup to get them going). In my four legged queen hive there was the odd queen cup, the one with a grub in it was on a bottom bar, but it was from the upper super (I'm on brood and a half). There are a few drones being reared so I guess that soon we will have some maels about. I'll leave them alone for a couple of weeks and let them look after themselves. I just didn't want the best of my hives swarming so early! Cheers, Paul. K Adney wrote in message <3aea3737@news.turbotek.net>... > >Paul Waites wrote Perhaps these >>queen cells were to supersede her? >> >I'm just a hobbyist, but a pro (300 hundred hives) says the only difference >between a swarm & a supercedure is where the queen cell is placed. If it's >at the bottom, it's a swarm. If it's at the top of the frame, it's a >supercedure (she passes pherenomes on as she crawls across the comb). He's >got these little plastic doodads that you can put a queen cup in and restick >them on the frame higher up. Can't speak from personal experience, but it >makes sense to me. > >Ken > > > Article 29479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:27:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3aea9a6f.202470686@news1.radix.net> References: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29479 On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:13:50 -0400, "David" wrote: >My bees have stripped some of the wax off the plastic base on the duriglit >foundation. >Is it worth re-using these frames or should I just put new foundation in the >frames? >Will they rebuild the comb? This was done late last when the conditions were >not very good. > >Thank you >David A. > > It sounds like you learned the lesson of durapuke. The stuff is simply total shit. Reuse your frames but get a good foundation like rite-cell. beekeep Article 29480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sharp7@mailops.com (Jim Sharp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Problem Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:17:17 GMT Reply-To: sharp7@mailops.com Message-ID: <3aeab137.36388225@news.mailops.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.231.52 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.231.52 X-Trace: excalibur.gbmtech.net 988460047 209.245.231.52 (28 Apr 2001 08:14:07 EST) Organization: GBM Technologies Ltd Lines: 37 X-Authenticated-User: sharp7 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!excalibur.gbmtech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29480 Hey Guys, I was out checking my bees last weekend and one of neighbors came up to chat. Apparently, there's a dude ranch about a mile away and he has a bee dilemma. They do corporate parties and have a large outside party area that has outside soda fountains. He related that they huge amounts of bees every summer going for spilled soda. He said that they rarely sting anyone only if you happen grab one on a glass, just more of a nusaince. He also stated that they found a huge feral hive in a dead tree when it was removed and he suspects that hive moved somewhere in the general vicinity. I did ask him several times if he was sure they weren't yellow jackets and even caught a bee for him to look at to compare. He wasn't giving me a hard time, because he's had the bee problem for 15 years and my bees have only been in the area for 1 year. I'm in N Texas, so during the hottest portion of summer, I could see that soda being about the only food source in the area... I suggested putting something more attractive out, (didn't work), enclosing the soda fountains (doesn't want to), or upgrading the drains to keep the syrup for laying there - (running water - too $$). He's had his best results by using Sevin in the drains, which I though was sad. Any thoughts? I'm concerned if they're worse this year, then my bees will be the target. Jim Article 29481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:31:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3aeaefb7.224302812@news1.radix.net> References: <3aeab137.36388225@news.mailops.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29481 On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:17:17 GMT, sharp7@mailops.com (Jim Sharp) wrote: >Hey Guys, >I was out checking my bees last weekend and one of >neighbors came up to chat. Apparently, there's a dude >ranch about a mile away and he has a bee dilemma. > >They do corporate parties and have a large outside >party area that has outside soda fountains. He related >that they huge amounts of bees every summer going >for spilled soda. He said that they rarely sting anyone >only if you happen grab one on a glass, just more of >a nusaince. He also stated that they found a huge feral >hive in a dead tree when it was removed and he suspects >that hive moved somewhere in the general vicinity. > >I did ask him several times if he was sure they weren't >yellow jackets and even caught a bee for him to look >at to compare. > >He wasn't giving me a hard time, because he's had the >bee problem for 15 years and my bees have only been >in the area for 1 year. > >I'm in N Texas, so during the hottest portion of summer, >I could see that soda being about the only food source >in the area... > >I suggested putting something more attractive out, (didn't >work), enclosing the soda fountains (doesn't want to), or >upgrading the drains to keep the syrup for laying there - >(running water - too $$). He's had his best results by using >Sevin in the drains, which I though was sad. > >Any thoughts? I'm concerned if they're worse this year, >then my bees will be the target. > >Jim > It doesn't sound like a bee problem to me, it sounds like a people problem. Putting sevin in the drain doesn't sound like he's following the label. If your bees start dying from poisen you should report him. A good fine would probably end that. beekeep Article 29482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where Can I Purchase a Package This Late? Date: 28 Apr 2001 18:46:41 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9cf36h$4m7$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <9cchaq$sti$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <20010427220518.00976.00001097@ng-cq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad23ac.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 988483601 4807 128.173.35.172 (28 Apr 2001 18:46:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 2001 18:46:41 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29482 In article <20010427220518.00976.00001097@ng-cq1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com says... > >York is probably too busy shaking package bees to answer the phone. > >Someday they will put an answering machine with a message to let folks know >they didn't go belly up thy are just busy but they saved you a nickel just the >same. > >Hook up with another beekeeper for a few frames of brood and order some mail >order queens. The only beekeeper I knew died recently. I need a commercial source. > >It was warm enough for inspections over a month ago. You are correct. That is when I tried to contact York through their web site and later by phone. Then I got busy with work and let it slide until now. > > > Article 29483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:59:14 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 6 Message-ID: <9cg0bb$h4n$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3aea9a6f.202470686@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-8-237.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 988513451 17559 209.23.8.237 (29 Apr 2001 03:04:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 2001 03:04:11 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29483 You said it the stuff is junk. I'd render the wax and get some real foundation. Clay Article 29484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Lines: 28 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:22:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.43.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 988514535 12.73.43.12 (Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:22:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:22:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29484 It's toast, they will never draw out where the stripped it. Throw it away and never buy it again. The "Gilt" should have been spelled "Guilt". It was worthless even before the bees stripped it. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "David" wrote in message news:9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > My bees have stripped some of the wax off the plastic base on the duriglit > foundation. > Is it worth re-using these frames or should I just put new foundation in the > frames? > Will they rebuild the comb? This was done late last when the conditions were > not very good. > > Thank you > David A. > > Article 29485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-02!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advice...Please. Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:14:22 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:283 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29485 I have an old, damaged Smith hive, complete with frames and bees. It consists of two brood bodies, which are firmly stuck together, several damaged frames, with 'wild' comb sticking everything together, and crossing both boxes. In short, it's a disaster (due to some idiot knocking it off a flat garage roof last summer). I have a new body, with new frames (undrawn), but I can't transfer any of the contents of the old hive without destroying it, and losing all the brood, which there seems to be a lot of (this is a Good Thing). The only way I can think of to get the bees to move into the new body is to put them all together, then when the queen moves into the new body, put in an excluder, until the old parts are empty, then remove them. Now to the question... Should I put the new body above or below the old stuff? ISTT that the queen tends to go upwards, with honey below, so that would mean putting the new hive on top, then moving it downwards when the queen is laying in it, the other parts are empty and can be removed altogether. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk ne cede malis Article 29486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:36:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3aec96bd.332597441@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:284 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29486 On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:14:22 +0100, JAF wrote: > >I have an old, damaged Smith hive, complete with frames and bees. >It consists of two brood bodies, which are firmly stuck together, >several damaged frames, with 'wild' comb sticking everything together, >and crossing both boxes. >In short, it's a disaster (due to some idiot knocking it off a flat >garage roof last summer). >I have a new body, with new frames (undrawn), but I can't transfer any >of the contents of the old hive without destroying it, and losing all >the brood, which there seems to be a lot of (this is a Good Thing). >The only way I can think of to get the bees to move into the new body is >to put them all together, then when the queen moves into the new body, >put in an excluder, until the old parts are empty, then remove them. >Now to the question... >Should I put the new body above or below the old stuff? > >ISTT that the queen tends to go upwards, with honey below, so that would >mean putting the new hive on top, then moving it downwards when the >queen is laying in it, the other parts are empty and can be removed >altogether. >-- >jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk >www.jaf.co.uk >ne cede malis Put it on top. After they draw it out and if you are lucky and find the queen up there, put a queen excluder under it. Later you can put one of the bottom boxes on top of the inner cover to let them rob it out and bring the honey downstairs. beekeep Article 29487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:23:29 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <0r7petgjh1qj5tt316f8lin9irt9hn1i63@4ax.com> References: <3aec96bd.332597441@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 43 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:285 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29487 On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:36:30 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:14:22 +0100, JAF >wrote: > >> >>I have an old, damaged Smith hive, complete with frames and bees. >>It consists of two brood bodies, which are firmly stuck together, >>several damaged frames, with 'wild' comb sticking everything together, >>and crossing both boxes. >>In short, it's a disaster (due to some idiot knocking it off a flat >>garage roof last summer). >>I have a new body, with new frames (undrawn), but I can't transfer any >>of the contents of the old hive without destroying it, and losing all >>the brood, which there seems to be a lot of (this is a Good Thing). >>The only way I can think of to get the bees to move into the new body is >>to put them all together, then when the queen moves into the new body, >>put in an excluder, until the old parts are empty, then remove them. >>Now to the question... >>Should I put the new body above or below the old stuff? >> >>ISTT that the queen tends to go upwards, with honey below, so that would >>mean putting the new hive on top, then moving it downwards when the >>queen is laying in it, the other parts are empty and can be removed >>altogether. >>-- >>jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk >>www.jaf.co.uk >>ne cede malis >Put it on top. After they draw it out and if you are lucky and find >the queen up there, put a queen excluder under it. Later you can put >one of the bottom boxes on top of the inner cover to let them rob it >out and bring the honey downstairs. > >beekeep Thanks. That's as I thought, but I really wanted confirmation before I started out. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk ne cede malis Article 29488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Date: 29 Apr 2001 16:05:51 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 100 Message-ID: <9ci6of0311p@drn.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-686.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:286 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29488 JAF said: >I have an old, damaged Smith hive, complete with frames and bees. >It consists of two brood bodies, which are firmly stuck together, >several damaged frames, with 'wild' comb sticking everything >together, and crossing both boxes. Get some piano-wire or guitar-string type wire (thin, but strong), attach it to two handles or 1 x 2s, and pull the wire slowly with a sawing motion between the two boxes. This will cut the comb, cut through the propolis, and allow you to lift the top box off the bottom one. If you saw slowly, bees will get out of the way, and you will not have any "collateral damage victims". This will at least allow you to remove frames from one box at a time and/or lift one box off the other. >In short, it's a disaster (due to some idiot knocking it off >a flat garage roof last summer). >I have a new body, with new frames (undrawn), but I can't >transfer any of the contents of the old hive without >destroying it, and losing all the brood, which there seems >to be a lot of (this is a Good Thing). You may well loose some brood in the transfer, but sacrifices must be made for the good of the hive as a whole. Once you can lift a frame (or two or three, if the bridge comb connects them) from one box, you can then do some "trimming" of the burr comb and bridge comb before either: a) Inserting an undamaged frame into the new woodenware. b) Cutting the comb out of a damaged frame, and tying it with string into a new frame. The "tying with string" is a kludge, but allows the frame to stay in the "brood area" until the bees emerge. After that, you likely want to replace that frame with a more structurally sound one, where the foundation is wired in, or if you use Plastic, where the plastic is firmly installed. >The only way I can think of to get the bees to move into the new body is >to put them all together, then when the queen moves into the new body, >put in an excluder, until the old parts are empty, then remove them. Following the suggestions above (which may take two people, one to hold each frame, and one to do the "surgery"), you should be able to move the majority of the frames to the new woodenware directly. If too many frames are interconnected with bridge comb, an approach to frame removal might be to cut between the boxes with the wire, and then PULL THE NAILS OR SCREWS from the hive body on one side, thus exposing the frames, and allowing you to slide metal strips under the frame ears (think of a fork lift lifting your frames by the ears if this is hard to visualize). >Now to the question... >Should I put the new body above or below the old stuff? >ISTT that the queen tends to go upwards, with honey below, >so that would mean putting the new hive on top, then moving >it downwards when the queen is laying in it, the other parts >are empty and can be removed altogether. I don't want to start a knock-down, drag-out bar fight, but this particular question prompts many opinions, but few hard facts. There are some who pound on the table, insisting that "the queen moves up", thereby insisting on reversing hive bodies. There are others that claim with equal conviction that the queen will move where she is "led" by the workers who clean cells, and that "up" and "down" are not important, as long is there is not a "band of honey and stores" that would create a barrier to the queen's egg-laying activities and movement. I think that anyone with an observation hive more than one frame high would be able to answer the question with authority after only a few weeks of observation, but I still see conflicting statements, all claiming to be absolute fact, on this point. Despite my uncertainty, I still reverse brood chambers every spring, sometimes more than once. At least it gives me a chance to take a good hard look at every frame... I don't think it matters one bit. The brood area should stay together, since the bees want to keep the temperature and humidity "within spec", but any frames without brood can go elsewhere. Keep the brood area together. Don't worry about the rest. The general model of a hived bee colony is based upon a spherical brood area, surrounded by larger spheres (or "bands") of honey and pollen. If your brood frames have very little pollen and honey at the edges, make sure some "stores" are close by. Don't make the poor nurse bees "commute" too far to feed brood. Good luck! Article 29489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Trap Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:11:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.167.5.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 988589486 24.167.5.152 (Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:11:26 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:11:26 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29489 I want to try my hand at catching some swarms, but have a few questions: 1. I have some artificial swarm lure. Does it go inside or outside ot the bait hive? 2. The swarm lure scent is in a small plastic vial with cap. Are you supposed to open the cap? 3. What is the minimum inside volume for a swarm to take up residence in the bait hive? 4. Would a length of 4" PVC pipe work as a bait hive (capped both ends but a hole drilled in one end for an entrance)? Thanks in advance for your help, Robert http://members.tripod.com/beetalk Article 29490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 34 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: outman2@aol.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Apr 2001 00:26:42 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Message-ID: <20010429202642.29430.00001468@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29490 Strange, I ran into the same problem. A friend's father kept bees , but has been in the rest home for the past eight years. My friend knew that I was starting to keep bees (first year). He went to the old bee yard and found one hive still active, he told me I could have them if I wanted. The hive had fallen on it's side and looked like it had been that way for years. The bottom board and brood box was trashed and rotten, the bees had glued three supers together. I rolled them upside-down on to the top (also rotten) then stapled screen over the bottom. All the frames were in place but just about all of the comb was cross comb. After several phone calls and alot of head scratching I Had a plan. I put down a new bottom board , then a queen excluder(to keep from running her out the front door),then a new brood box with foundation. I then placed the three old supers on top of the brood box and started using the "bee-go" forcing them down ,prying the old supers apart , more "bee-go" till all the supers were cleared. I then added another queen excluder to the top of the brood box, then a deep super with empty frames. I pulled apart and saved as much brood as I could, placing hunks of comb in the empty frames and holding it in place with rubber bands. On the deep super I placed a inner cover. a in hive feeder empty brood box and cover. There was alot of uncaped honey I left on the ground about ten feet in front of the hive for them to rob from. I saw no sign of AFB,EFB,ect.. After 21 days all of the brood should have hached from the deep super, all of that comb will be removed ,also both excluders will be removed at that time. I hope I / We got it right, -= Mike =- Article 29491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.130!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Apr 2001 01:12:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Swarm Trap Message-ID: <20010429211250.24969.00001285@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29491 Swarms like to find a 1 cu ft space with no light entering from above. A deep super with a plywood lid works just fine. I always put the lure at the box entrance. If you can smell any lemon at all don't uncap the lure or it will evaporate to quickly. Article 29492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed2.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem Message-ID: References: <3aeab137.36388225@news.mailops.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:35:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.67 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 988594518 4.33.104.67 (Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:35:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:35:18 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:33:50 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29492 sharp7@mailops.com (Jim Sharp) wrote: >that they huge amounts of bees every summer going >for spilled soda. Hi Jim, They are probably yellow jackets. The Dallas Arboretum had a similar problem several years ago, with yellow jackets going after the lemonade syrup. Cleaning the area and hosing it down regularly worked well there. It is best to eliminate, or reduce, the food source. Offering more attractive syrups will NOT work. Simple wasp traps can be effective too. They can be made out of a plastic soda bottle or wine bottle. Fill them half way with a fruity syrup that is weaker than the honey bees like (normal lemonade will do) or some fruit jam and water. They fly in and drown. A single trap can catch dozens in a day. Here is a link on how to make version of the bottle trap: http://www.ehow.com/eHow/eHow/0,1053,1740,00.html http://dealdevil.tripod.com/page13.html Here are some links to commercial versions of these traps, to get some other design ideas: http://www.laters.com/labels/wasptrap.htm http://www.whateverworks.com/Wasp_trap.htm http://www.russellipm.com/casawasp.htm http://www.biconet.com/traps/osyjtrap.html http://www.doyourownpestcontrol.com/yellowtrap.htm Good luck. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 29493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:49:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 108 Message-ID: <3aecc476.344303376@news1.radix.net> References: <9ci6of0311p@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:287 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29493 On 29 Apr 2001 16:05:51 -0700, James Fischer wrote: >JAF said: > >>I have an old, damaged Smith hive, complete with frames and bees. >>It consists of two brood bodies, which are firmly stuck together, >>several damaged frames, with 'wild' comb sticking everything >>together, and crossing both boxes. > >Get some piano-wire or guitar-string type wire >(thin, but strong), attach it to two handles or >1 x 2s, and pull the wire slowly with a sawing >motion between the two boxes. > >This will cut the comb, cut through the propolis, >and allow you to lift the top box off the bottom one. >If you saw slowly, bees will get out of the way, >and you will not have any "collateral damage victims". > >This will at least allow you to remove frames from one >box at a time and/or lift one box off the other. > >>In short, it's a disaster (due to some idiot knocking it off >>a flat garage roof last summer). >>I have a new body, with new frames (undrawn), but I can't >>transfer any of the contents of the old hive without >>destroying it, and losing all the brood, which there seems >>to be a lot of (this is a Good Thing). > >You may well loose some brood in the transfer, but >sacrifices must be made for the good of the hive as >a whole. Once you can lift a frame (or two or three, >if the bridge comb connects them) from one box, you >can then do some "trimming" of the burr comb and bridge >comb before either: > >a) Inserting an undamaged frame into the new woodenware. > >b) Cutting the comb out of a damaged frame, and tying it > with string into a new frame. > >The "tying with string" is a kludge, but allows the frame >to stay in the "brood area" until the bees emerge. After >that, you likely want to replace that frame with a more >structurally sound one, where the foundation is wired in, >or if you use Plastic, where the plastic is firmly installed. > >>The only way I can think of to get the bees to move into the new body is >>to put them all together, then when the queen moves into the new body, >>put in an excluder, until the old parts are empty, then remove them. > >Following the suggestions above (which may take two people, >one to hold each frame, and one to do the "surgery"), you >should be able to move the majority of the frames to the >new woodenware directly. > >If too many frames are interconnected with bridge comb, an >approach to frame removal might be to cut between the boxes >with the wire, and then PULL THE NAILS OR SCREWS from the >hive body on one side, thus exposing the frames, and allowing >you to slide metal strips under the frame ears (think of a fork >lift lifting your frames by the ears if this is hard to visualize). > >>Now to the question... >>Should I put the new body above or below the old stuff? >>ISTT that the queen tends to go upwards, with honey below, >>so that would mean putting the new hive on top, then moving >>it downwards when the queen is laying in it, the other parts >>are empty and can be removed altogether. > >I don't want to start a knock-down, drag-out bar fight, but >this particular question prompts many opinions, but few hard >facts. There are some who pound on the table, insisting that >"the queen moves up", thereby insisting on reversing hive bodies. >There are others that claim with equal conviction that the queen >will move where she is "led" by the workers who clean cells, and >that "up" and "down" are not important, as long is there is not a >"band of honey and stores" that would create a barrier to the >queen's egg-laying activities and movement. > >I think that anyone with an observation hive more than one frame >high would be able to answer the question with authority after >only a few weeks of observation, but I still see conflicting >statements, all claiming to be absolute fact, on this point. > >Despite my uncertainty, I still reverse brood chambers every >spring, sometimes more than once. At least it gives me a chance >to take a good hard look at every frame... > >I don't think it matters one bit. The brood area should stay >together, since the bees want to keep the temperature and humidity >"within spec", but any frames without brood can go elsewhere. >Keep the brood area together. Don't worry about the rest. > >The general model of a hived bee colony is based upon a spherical >brood area, surrounded by larger spheres (or "bands") of honey and >pollen. If your brood frames have very little pollen and honey >at the edges, make sure some "stores" are close by. Don't make >the poor nurse bees "commute" too far to feed brood. > >Good luck! > That is far too much work. Especially when you can get the bees to do it for you. beekeep Article 29494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!spamfilter!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Lindhout" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010427190548.17866.00001284@ng-fk1.aol.com> Subject: Re: slide show Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:16:50 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.141.246.185 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 988596963 206.141.246.185 (Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:16:03 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:16:03 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29494 Great idea! Do you already have photos/slides you want to show, or are you building from scratch? If from scratch, then here is how I would put it together: - digital camera - laptop - PowerPoint or other presentation software - Photoshop or other graphics software - a borrowed projector or large screen monitor. With this combo, you can put together really effective presentations. Take your pictures, edit them for best effect, embed them and any other effects within the presentation software and then project them on a wall or screen. If you don't have the $$ for the software, there are plenty of shareware or freeware possibilities. The SVGA projectors are still expensive, but I have found that most organizations (schools and businesses) already have them. If you don't have a laptop, consider burning your presentation to a CD and using the equipment belonging to the school. "Bman896" wrote in message news:20010427190548.17866.00001284@ng-fk1.aol.com... > Hi: Where thinking of putting together a slide show for talks at schools and > meetings? The question is what is the best type of equipment to buy, since I > know nothing about slides or is their a better way of showing slides??? > > John Article 29495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AED0221.531EF9A5@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Trap References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 62 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:11:45 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 988603497 208.235.28.20 (Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:04:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:04:57 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29495 Robert Talk wrote: > > I want to try my hand at catching some swarms, but have a few questions: > > 1. I have some artificial swarm lure. Does it go inside or outside ot the > bait hive? You're kidding - right? > 2. The swarm lure scent is in a small plastic vial with cap. Are you > supposed to open the cap? These lures come with instructions - what did the instructions say to do? If they are the 2 plastic vials in a manila envelope type lure, you aren't even supposed to open the manila envelope - just tack the packet inside the trap. The instructions also advise wearing gloves when handling the packets. Note: The answer to #1 is hidden in the answer to #2. > 3. What is the minimum inside volume for a swarm to take up residence in the > bait hive? Its a helluva lot more than a piece of 4" PVC pipe. Make up a box big enough to hold 4-5 frames - that will work just fine. Traps in the shape & size of 5 gal buckets are also available from Mann Lake - just be sure to remove the swarm very soon after they move in or you will have a mess on your hands, don't ask me how I know. Brushy Mountain used to sell a trap that would hold 4-5 frames but I didn't see it in this year's catalog. > 4. Would a length of 4" PVC pipe work as a bait hive (capped both ends but a > hole drilled in one end for an entrance)? See answer to #3. AL ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 29496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!lax.uu.net!sea.uu.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Date: 29 Apr 2001 21:18:53 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9cip3d0274k@drn.newsguy.com> References: <9ci6of0311p@drn.newsguy.com> <3aecc476.344303376@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-702.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:288 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29496 honeybs@radix.net says... >That is far too much work. Especially when >you can get the bees to do it for you. If (and only if)the bees cooperate. As you said, luck is required. The bees might have their own agenda, or might simply be used to (and happy with) their mass of bridge comb and broken frames. The extra work assures success NOW, and eliminates the need for luck. After no more than a few minutes work, the hive is living on movable frames, and can be managed, inspected, etc. To each his own, but I have often found that a little extra work allows one to assure success rather than relying on mere chance or "luck". Article 29497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AE9801D.193D3056@york.ac.uk> <3aea3737@news.turbotek.net> Subject: Re: four-legged queen Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:15:23 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.126.71 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 988610148 212.137.126.71 (Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:55:48 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:55:48 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29497 "K Adney" wrote in message news:3aea3737@news.turbotek.net... > > Paul Waites wrote Perhaps these > >queen cells were to supersede her? > > > I'm just a hobbyist, but a pro (300 hundred hives) says the only difference > between a swarm & a supercedure is where the queen cell is placed. If it's > at the bottom, it's a swarm. If it's at the top of the frame, it's a > supercedure Has anyone told the bees? Article 29498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:58 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <9ci6of0311p@drn.newsguy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:289 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29498 On 29 Apr 2001 16:05:51 -0700, James Fischer wrote: >Get some piano-wire or guitar-string type wire >(thin, but strong), attach it to two handles or >1 x 2s, and pull the wire slowly with a sawing >motion between the two boxes. I think that will be worth a try. I have some good kite line, which will do the trick. The rest of your reply is helpful, and has been saved and noted, but I think I will probably just try to get the queen to go up. That's laziness, that is - let the bees do the work! >Good luck! Thanks. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk ne cede malis Article 29499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees crawling away from the hive Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:57:49 -0400 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <9cjk0m$e7ikg$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010427075749.13604.00001007@ng-cp1.aol.com> <3ae9d844.152763416@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 988631895 14928528 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29499 There are more than one type of mite! The mite problem that has been suggested to you is different to the mite that the Russians are known for being resistant to. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Mr. Dixon" wrote in message news:teju7sgdl5jb88@corp.supernews.com... > I hope ya'll don't think that I'm crazy (well...maybe a little) but these > bees only do this crawling thing late in the evening. During the day they > just come and go like good little bees. I haven't seen any dead bees > anywhere. I've only had these bees for two weeks. I hope they didn't come > from the apiary with the mites. I thought the Russian were supposed to be > mite resistant. I guess nobody told the mites. My other hive (about 20 ft > away) is 3 years old and looks normal. The old hive is Italian....maybe > they know something that the Russians don't. If it is mites, where can I > get menthol real fast to put in the hive? What do ya'll recommend? BTW, I'm > in S.C. > "beekeep" wrote in message > news:3ae9d844.152763416@news1.radix.net... > > On 27 Apr 2001 11:57:49 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > > > > >1 it's likely trachael mites it clogs them up pretty good and crawly bees > is a > > >sign of a bad case of them. > > >2 it's a pesticide hit it's lawn grub killer and home orchard spray > season over > > >more than half of the country. > > > > > 3 They are crawling their way under the iron curtain to freedom. > > > > Article 29500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:51:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3aed4ef4.1277996@news1.radix.net> References: <9ci6of0311p@drn.newsguy.com> <3aecc476.344303376@news1.radix.net> <9cip3d0274k@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:290 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29500 On 29 Apr 2001 21:18:53 -0700, James Fischer wrote: >honeybs@radix.net says... > >>That is far too much work. Especially when >>you can get the bees to do it for you. > >If (and only if)the bees cooperate. > >As you said, luck is required. The bees >might have their own agenda, or might simply be >used to (and happy with) their mass of bridge >comb and broken frames. > >The extra work assures success NOW, and eliminates >the need for luck. After no more than a few >minutes work, the hive is living on movable frames, >and can be managed, inspected, etc. > >To each his own, but I have often found that a >little extra work allows one to assure success >rather than relying on mere chance or "luck". > This assumes that you don't kill the queen while getting the frames out. A good portion of the brood will be lost as well. Then when you are done you will have to go back and cull out half of the frames you thought you saved. Honey will be running everywhere inviting robber bees, not to mention the additional sting factor that will be involved, the number if early lava that will dehydrate, or the brood that will be drowned in honey. Free hives are generally worth less than what you pay for them. The queen will go up top into a new hive body. It is just a matter of time before you can find her and you will not disrupt the hive in doing so. Rule number one with bees is to never be in a hurry. KISS is the way to take care of bees. Keep It Simple Silly. beekeep Article 29501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:49:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3aea9a6f.202470686@news1.radix.net> <9cg0bb$h4n$1@newsfeed.logical.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 39 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29501 While I agree that Duragilt is not the foundation of choice, and I personally will never buy it again, I had bought quite a bit when I first started in bees. I have gotten to where I have limited success with it. Previous posters are correct in that, if the bees remove the wax down to the plastic, they will not rebuild comb on the plastic! I also had the bees build comb of all shapes, sizes, depths, etc... in other words, not straight and pretty as it should be. Also, one might think that having a plastic center with metal down both sides, that it would work well in the extractor ... not! It is easier to blow out than a good crimp wire foundation, or even straight wired in foundation. But, WHEN the bees do draw it out correctly, it makes a very nice comb. I have been able to get this to happen on about 80% of the frames. Until I get rid of all this foundation, this is a satisfactory percentage to me. Once it is drawn out nice, it makes a good comb for brood ... I would never recommend it be used for honey storage that is meant to be extracted. Probably the two things I try to do with it to get success are: 1) I always make sure that the foundation is in the frame perfectly straight. With this foundation it is very easy to bend it and/or get a bulge on one side. It has to be very straight going in to allow the proper bee space. 2) I always put in 10 frames. Some people prefer only 9 frames in a hive to make them easier to handle. I like to do this with the honey supers so it is easier to uncap, but at least while it is being drawn out, any Duragilt should be properly spaced with 10 frames installed. That I can tell, this seems to work "relatively" well for me. Again though, I will never buy it again. It just doesn't perform as advertised. Charles Texas "huestis" wrote in message news:9cg0bb$h4n$1@newsfeed.logical.net... > You said it the stuff is junk. I'd render the wax and get some real > foundation. > > Clay > > Article 29502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Apr 2001 14:18:59 GMT References: <3aed4ef4.1277996@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Message-ID: <20010430101859.10625.00000614@ng-mn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29502 From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) >The queen will go up top into a new hive body. To encourage her to go quickly, turn the box with junk and wild comb upside down. She won't lay in upside down cells. Usually she'll be in the new box before they tear the old comb back down and rebuild it in the new orientation. As soon as you get eggs in the new box use an excluder to keep her from returning to the old. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 29503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mating Flight Date: 30 Apr 2001 11:09:50 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <9cjv7u$d4k$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <3ae34b9f.524567421@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29503 In article , Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: >In article <3ae34b9f.524567421@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net >(beekeep) wrote: > >> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:14:25 -0700, NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com >> (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >> >> >In article <3ae0122a.313244029@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net >> >(beekeep) wrote: >> > >> > If you watch closely you may be lucky enough >> >> to see her return with the "mating sign." I have only seen it once! >> >> >> >> beekeep >> > >> >What's the "MATING SIGN"? Is she smoking a little, tiny cigarette, or >> >something? >> > >> >> The queen returns with the last drones penis attached to her tail end. >> The wrokers remove it. >> >> beekeep > >Well, I'll be damned. I guess everyone's gotta make a living somehow. A really cool aspect to this is how does the "next" drone in the mating sequence remove the previous drone's penis (endophalus)? Inquiring minds want to know! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 29504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:59:11 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <3aed4ef4.1277996@news1.radix.net> <20010430101859.10625.00000614@ng-mn1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29504 On 30 Apr 2001 14:18:59 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > >From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) > >>The queen will go up top into a new hive body. > > To encourage her to go quickly, turn the box with junk and wild comb upside >down. She won't lay in upside down cells. Usually she'll be in the new box >before they tear the old comb back down and rebuild it in the new orientation. >As soon as you get eggs in the new box use an excluder to keep her from >returning to the old. > I've moved everything around today, so now the new box is on top, and the two damaged boxes below. I've had to cover various gaps in the old bodies with strong tape (neither body is 'square', and they don't fit together. I can't straighten them, as they're full of bees...) and have added an eke with a feeder of syrup (for conversion into new comb, and hopefully, to encourage them upwards...). It's amusing, in a schadenfreude kind of way, watching them trying to get back into the hive through a no-longer-existing hole in the hive... Anyway, after a couple or three more days, to let them settle a bit, I will upturn the old boxes as you suggest. All in all, I'm quite pleased with it, so far. There certainly seem to be a lot of them - it should be a good year, if the weather turns out OK. Thanks to everyone who helped. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk www.jaf.co.uk ne cede malis Article 29505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees crawling away from the hive Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:03:16 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010427075749.13604.00001007@ng-cp1.aol.com> <3ae9d844.152763416@news1.radix.net> <9cjk0m$e7ikg$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 62 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29505 The last two days I've seen only 3-5 bees crawling. The hive looks healthy. I opened it today and there is plenty of larva, capped brood, honey, and pollen. I've only had the hive for 2 1/2 weeks. I'm just wondering if they got into some pesticide even though I havn't seen any dead bees around the hive. My closest neighbors are continually spraying pesticide on a daily basis. They don't like my bees or any insect for that matter. Last year they put out several hummingbird feeders. Then they removed the bee guards from the feeders and complained because the bees were getting the necter. I guess I may have to call my Extension Agent if the bees start dying. "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:9cjk0m$e7ikg$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > There are more than one type of mite! The mite problem that has been > suggested to you is different to the mite that the Russians are known for > being resistant to. > > -- > BeeFarmer > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > "Mr. Dixon" wrote in message > news:teju7sgdl5jb88@corp.supernews.com... > > I hope ya'll don't think that I'm crazy (well...maybe a little) but these > > bees only do this crawling thing late in the evening. During the day they > > just come and go like good little bees. I haven't seen any dead bees > > anywhere. I've only had these bees for two weeks. I hope they didn't > come > > from the apiary with the mites. I thought the Russian were supposed to be > > mite resistant. I guess nobody told the mites. My other hive (about 20 > ft > > away) is 3 years old and looks normal. The old hive is Italian....maybe > > they know something that the Russians don't. If it is mites, where can I > > get menthol real fast to put in the hive? What do ya'll recommend? BTW, > I'm > > in S.C. > > "beekeep" wrote in message > > news:3ae9d844.152763416@news1.radix.net... > > > On 27 Apr 2001 11:57:49 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > > > > > > >1 it's likely trachael mites it clogs them up pretty good and crawly > bees > > is a > > > >sign of a bad case of them. > > > >2 it's a pesticide hit it's lawn grub killer and home orchard spray > > season over > > > >more than half of the country. > > > > > > > 3 They are crawling their way under the iron curtain to freedom. > > > > > > > > > Article 29506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice...Please. From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3aed4ef4.1277996@news1.radix.net> <20010430101859.10625.00000614@ng-mn1.aol.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.04.10 Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:07:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.177 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 988654040 198.161.229.177 (Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:07:20 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:07:20 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29506 pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) posted > To encourage her to go quickly, turn the box with junk > and wild comb upside down. She won't lay in upside down > cells Hey! Every so often there is a good trick posted here. I'd forgotten this one. Maybe it is time to repost the best trick I ever learned on the internet: If a yard of bees gets robbing viciously, the solution is to take the lid off *every* hive in the yard until they settle down and you can do remedial measures. (Of course that won't work if the robbing bees are coming from elsewhere). allen Article 29507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!192.12.69.9.MISMATCH!CS.Arizona.EDU!noao.edu!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm lures (and ahb) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:45:53 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3AEDB2E1.8FEE6CCD@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <9a3u81$rkc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <3AE07DA0.7FEE1AF5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <9c5h46028ka@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29507 Allen: Thanks for taking the time to give your thoughts on this complex and confusing genetic and political tangle. I will try to reply to only one or two facets of your message now. Allen Dick wrote: > some loss of public respect and funding if the word got around that the > threat was overdone or any suspicion that any of the work was badly done or > unnecessary -- or that some of it simply copied previous conclusions. If > the situation has proven to be hopeless (which I doubt), What I can tell you as a fact is that , in the Tucson area, hobby beekeeping has stopped, and there are far fewer for-profit beekeepers. I know of several abandoned apiary sites, which used to support groups of hives yearly. > > But what is going on then? Are these bees so entirely different and > mutated that they are comparable to the new improved version of fire ants > that came out a few years back? Yes, I honestly believe it is a different creature, which is so unselected that it may take decades to become manageable as it is now in Brazil. Regardless of the eventual manageability, There are now no wild colonies of "european" strains of bees remaining in the Tucson area ( by which I mean the bees we have used for several lifetimes). Article 29508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!peernews.manap.net!194.6.79.69.MISMATCH!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9ci6of0311p@drn.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Advice...Please. Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:33:13 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.128.6 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 988659401 212.137.128.6 (Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:36:41 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:36:41 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:291 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29508 I have read the replies and would agree that the new box should go on top. Give it a week or so and then smoke heavily at the entrance to drive the queen up, leave for a minute and then remove the new box - with luck the queen will be in it. Add a queen excluder to the old boxes and put the new box back on top. Four or five days later an inspection of the top box will show eggs if the queen is in there. Repeat as necessary until the queen is definitely in your new box. At that point you can place the new box on a floor, add q/ex then some supers, then the old brood boxes over the top for the brood to hatch. No need for piano wire or the destruction of any brood. "JAF" wrote in message news:u2gpetke8q981dpoo6c3poll41qutted7d@4ax.com... > On 29 Apr 2001 16:05:51 -0700, James Fischer > wrote: > > >Get some piano-wire or guitar-string type wire > >(thin, but strong), attach it to two handles or > >1 x 2s, and pull the wire slowly with a sawing > >motion between the two boxes. > > I think that will be worth a try. I have some good kite line, which > will do the trick. > > The rest of your reply is helpful, and has been saved and noted, but I > think I will probably just try to get the queen to go up. > That's laziness, that is - let the bees do the work! > > >Good luck! > > Thanks. > -- > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > www.jaf.co.uk > ne cede malis Article 29509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Last year's cut comb foundation Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:44:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AC5258E.28D7CAD2@together.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 37 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29509 Yes, what? It can be reused, orit is unsuitable? "michael palmer" wrote in message news:3AC5258E.28D7CAD2@together.net... > Yes. > > Rodney Isom wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I had some cut-comb foundation that I let the bees draw out last year & I > > ended up extracting several frames of it instead of using it as comb honey > > (most of the comb survived OK...). It's been sitting all winter inside (no > > wax moths or any other damage). Can I put it back in the hive & let the > > bees fill it with honey & use it for cut comb this year, or will sitting & > > drying out all winter make it unsuitable for that? If so, I'll just keep > > using it for extracted honey until it goes to pieces. > > > > Thanks, > > Rodney > > > > -- > > Rodney Isom > > Arab, AL > > rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net > > (remove obvious part to reply) > > > Article 29510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stings Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:58:42 -0700 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-79.reachone.com Message-ID: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 30 Apr 2001 17:54:23 -0700, tc1-79.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-79.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29510 Darn, got stung twice this last weekend (while I was taking off the beesuit & veil). Got stung once last year and like then, the reddened area is about 4" by 6" (and itchy). Is this an increasing reaction? Will it decrease with time? Stay the same? Any opinions? My first sting 3 years ago was only the size of a quarter. Anything to take besides Benadryl (and maybe a little Cortisone cream)? Article 29511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:06:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3aee0be7.49649100@news1.radix.net> References: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29511 On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:58:42 -0700, "K Adney" wrote: >Darn, got stung twice this last weekend (while I was taking off the beesuit >& veil). Got stung once last year and like then, the reddened area is about >4" by 6" (and itchy). Is this an increasing reaction? Will it decrease >with time? Stay the same? Any opinions? My first sting 3 years ago was >only the size of a quarter. Anything to take besides Benadryl (and maybe a >little Cortisone cream)? > > This is a joke, right? beekeep Article 29512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:41:18 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AEE143E.1A840EC1@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29512 Being stung only a few times in a year will not help you develope any immunity. If you keep bees, you will be stung! For the very few times it appears you are stung your reaction is a typical one :) Kent Stienburg Ontario Canada Article 29513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:39:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AEE05DD.F3681AB2@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3aee093f@news.turbotek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29513 Howdy K -- It is good to get enough stings for you to build an immunity. All beekeepers get stung, usually much more than you have. In general the reaction at the site of the sting is not the important thing. If you swell or itch at other places, get dizzy or faint, or have difficulty swallowing, that is a true allergic reaction. If it's just redness, swelling, and itching at the sting site, just ignore it and join the rest of us. Pete ******************************* Article 29514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duriglit foundation. Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:31:11 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9cl9ji$bj3$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9cdifs$593$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.bc X-Server-Date: 1 May 2001 03:12:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:29514 Thank you for the info. I wish I had asked before I bought a box of 50 sheets. I will see if I can exchange it. David A. George Styer wrote in message news:HNLG6.3558$kA1.58888@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > It's toast, they will never draw out where the stripped it. Throw it away > and never buy it again. The "Gilt" should have been spelled "Guilt". It was > worthless even before the bees stripped it. > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there >