Article 31512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:21:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017750076 24.31.219.77 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:21:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:21:16 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31512 For those who are tired of winter, and want a taste of spring, you can get it at http://kutikshoney.com/grafting/queens.htm Chuck and Karen Kutik are migratory commercial beekeepers who have been busy raising queens and making nucs in South Carolina, where the process started in early March. Their web site has a lot of closeup photos of the process. There is a section on crop pollination for those interested in this area of beekeeping. Chuck and Karen use a lot of their bees for crop pollination service. Chuck is a very skilled beekeeper, and it might be a good idea to bookmark the web site, as there are often new things there. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:27:10 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 78 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017754052 28471506 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31513 Thanks Judy and Allen, I have printed out this info and this will be our discussion for the next meeting!! Although kids come up with some tuff ones sometimes.. it does show they are thinking!! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:a8c23c$r9isi$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > This issue came up a couple years ago when a "professional beekeeper type > > person" gave a presentation to our local bee club. He, also, said don't > use 4 > > strips, you could probably only use 1 because there are so few bees in the > > hive. I didn't say anything that night, to avoid any disagreements. But, > we > > did discuss his comment at length the following meeting! > > Some of the most successful beekeepers use one strip. The trick is to use > it at the correct time and in the right place. > > > > 2. Why do you have to sprinkle terramycin "Oxacycline" 3 times when you > can > > > put a terramycin patty on one time and leave it on until the honey flow? > > Patties are still the best OTC treatment method. Dusting is unreliable and > subject to error. > > > The patty has pretty much been eliminated as a treatment of the > terramycin. > > Apparently, the bees do not consume the antibiotic in the amount needed > for it > > to be effective. > > Apparently they do, and the distribution is much better than with dusting. > Patties can reduce AFB breakdown from noticeable levels to near zero if used > correctly. > > > As there has been some reporting of > > terramycin resistant strains of foulbrood, beekeepers are trying to > tighten up > > as many gaps as they can. > > Patties are being investigated as the preferred application method for the > new drugs for SAFB because of their accurate targeting, measured dose and > visibility. Protein patties are contemplated this time, though, not patties > using grease as the vehicle, since the thought is that protein is handled by > bees that feed brood, and the brood is where the drug needs to go. > > This info is just FYI. Don't try it until it is endorsed by an authority in > your jurisdiction, and when it is and you do, be sure to follow the > directions exactly. > > In the meantime, extender patties are still the most reliable, consistent, > and effective method of administering OTC -- in spite of rumours and > speculation to the contrary. At least this is true in my apiaries, and I > have tried everything over the last 25 years on many, many thousands of > colonies. > > allen > http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Diary/ > > > Article 31514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Jarrell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: clover and locust Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:11:05 -0600 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 13 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Scott Jarrell" NNTP-Posting-Host: d-128-97-173.bootp.virginia.edu X-Trace: murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU 1017753071 17005 128.143.97.173 (2 Apr 2002 13:11:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virginia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2002 13:11:11 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31514 So I'm new to the beekeeping hobby. So new I haven't started yet but I am very interested. In preparation I have planted an apple tree and a peach tree. I have also been sowing clover, thinking it would be good for the bees. Then a co-worker of mine who used to keep bees long ago, said they only like a certain kind. I planted everyday ordinary red clover, I thought the only difference was the color. Is this true, if so when I reseed next year what should I use. Also there has been talk of what kinds of wood to use in super construction. How about locust? It has good rot resistance and is toxic to some bugs, but maybe bees too. Thanks Scott Article 31515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding Newbies? Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:07:41 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.5e.60 X-Server-Date: 2 Apr 2002 14:00:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!novia!novia!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!NewsWatcher!user Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31515 Greetings, all... We just put in a second hive of bees in our back yard yesterday, and I want to make sure I'm feeding them correctly. I'm using a syrup mixture of 2 parts sugar to one part water, thinking that they can probably use just about all the sugar they can get right now. Also, just out of curiosity... if 2:1 is good, are there reasons NOT to make it even stronger, say, 3:1? Thanks! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: CarolB@qichina.demon.co.uk (Carol Harding) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For sale ; Equipment UK Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:03:02 GMT Message-ID: <1017756231.13636.0.nnrp-08.c2deb0c0@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1017756231 nnrp-08:13636 NO-IDENT qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 52 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qichina.demon.co.uk!qi Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31516 Hello, Due to anaphylactic shock, we had to find a good home for our bees. So we now have 2 year old, disease-free hives and other equipment for sale. Single items are available at half (50%) of the new prices quoted below or as job lot. Ideal economical startup for beginner. Situated in Essex,UK, can't deliver I'm afraid. SECONDHAND BEEKEEPING EQUIPMENT FOR SALE Description Cost- UKP(as new) Empty National Hive (made up) 103.00 Empty National Hive (made up) 103.00 +sloping floor+gabled roof 10.00 Empty Supers (5 @ £27.00 each) 135.00 Queen Excluders (2 @ £14 each) 28.00 Dummy Boards (2 @ £4.50 each) 9.00 Feeders (2 @ £6.00 each) 12.00 Smoker 34.00 Hive Tool 8.00 Manual Extractor 160.00 Polythene Tank 19.00 Comb Cutter 8 oz (unused) 22.00 Jacket & Veil 1 @ 40 " 53.00 1 @ 44 " 53.00 Beekeeping Trousers 1 @ 38 " 19.00 1 Large 19.00 Total Cost as new 787.00 Offers in the region of £300-350 accepted for the lot. Also available (all unused): Various jars eg 48 round 1 lb jars with lid 50 8 oz cut comb containers Labels and Tamper Evident Labels Hive Stand Frames (not made up), nails, etc Thanks, Carol. CarolB@ qichina.demon.co.uk Article 31517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Date: 2 Apr 2002 09:41:10 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ca9c306$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.38 X-Original-Trace: 2 Apr 2002 09:41:10 -0500, 141.219.66.38 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31517 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: > Greetings, all... > Also, just out of curiosity... if 2:1 is good, are there reasons NOT to > make it even stronger, say, 3:1? Well, the practical reason is that it is hard to get all the sugar dissolved at 3:1, and it will tend to crystallize on cooling. Also, the bees need a certain amount of water to eat the sugar themselves (I understand that they actually have to dilute honey to eat it), so since spring syrup is for them to eat right away, not to store for later, you might as well have the water in the syrup so they don't have to fly outside in the cold to get it. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 31518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:43:27 -0700 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-6.internode.net (198.161.229.182) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017758575 28428172 198.161.229.182 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-6.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31518 > Their web site has a lot of closeup photos of the process. Very nice pictures. One thing I noticed is that they said "We look for productivity, good pollen gathering, maintance of a clean hive (hygenic), freedom from tracheal mites and chalkbrood disease, resistance to varroa mite and foulbrood disease, and gentleness" --begin soapbox --- . They did not mention selecting for honey production, and they said maintance of a clean hive is 'hygienic' behaviour. It is definitely not the same thing. Inasmuch as honey production and selection for HYG (http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/hygienic.htm) are two of the most important criteria these days, and simple tests can be done by breeders to confirm the presence of these characteristics without eliminating other desirable traits, the above quote illustrates exactly why beekeepers must think twice before just buying queens from 'nice people'. We must be hard-nosed and demand that the breeders do in fact breed and select knowledgeably using up-to-date measurements, and not just nice-sounding subjective evaluations. I'm as guilty as any of buying queens for convenience, but I am also working to turn up the pressure on queen suppliers to do more than just provide nice, gentle stock that looks good. When you are buying queens, PLEASE ask your supplier if he or she uses the HYG test and make sure that he/she even knows what you are talking about. Many don't. If you want to buy queens that are not selected for honey production, I guess that is your business, but with resistant AFB around, we need to ensure that new stock can stand up to the AFB that is endemic in North America. --- end soapbox --- allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Diary/ Article 31519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to expand? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 09:29:28 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:30:10 -0600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31519 Hi The best way is to order a new queen or two. When she arrives make a nuc box (you can use a full size box) from your existing hive with brood from the existing hive and introduce the queen into that. When she is laying you use nuc to start the split and you can equalize with brood from the mother hive. There are a couple other ways in last months newsletter article on my site. Dave www.libertybee.com On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:25:08 GMT, "Ken Bullock" wrote: >I have one hive and it made it through our Atlantic Canada winter. I have >only had it since last spring. > >It seem to me that there are a lot of bees there this spring and I want to >split it. I would like to know what would be a good/less expensive hive. > >Also, would one split by adding 1 or 2 hives. I wouldn't want to spread them >too thin.... Article 31520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:15:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017760550 24.31.219.77 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:15:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:15:50 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31520 "Allen Dick" > > Inasmuch as honey production and selection for HYG > (http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/hygienic.htm) are two of the most > important criteria these days, and simple tests can be done by breeders to > confirm the presence of these characteristics without eliminating other > desirable traits, the above quote illustrates exactly why beekeepers must > think twice before just buying queens from 'nice people'. We must be > hard-nosed and demand that the breeders do in fact breed and select > knowledgeably using up-to-date measurements, and not just nice-sounding > subjective evaluations. A couple notes, Allen, though I agree with your premise: Chuck doesn't raise queens for sale. He does sell nucs but they are all made up with queens from a good commercial breeder. The cells are for his own use. I know he's done some testing for HYG, but I don't think he feels confident enough to sell them. Also, since many of Chuck's bees are used for crop pollination, good pollinator activity is a higher priority than honey productivity. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:50:42 -0700 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017766251 28454245 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31521 > he's done some testing for HYG, but I don't think he feels confident enough > to sell them. Good, glad to hear that. Everyone shouldtry this HYG test -- especially for one's own bees. > Also, since many of Chuck's bees are used for crop pollination, good pollinator activity is a higher priority than honey productivity. Honey is a *4@! nuisance in pollination :) But it pays the bills that the pollination doesn't. FWIW, quite a few of us up here have quit the pollination business because of the wear and tear on the bees and the aggravation of seeing bees die over winter. I didn't mean to rag on him. Those of us who tell publicly what we do are always open to criticism, since no one gets it perfect. allen Article 31522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Los Angeles Times: "Honey Business Is Sweet--and Sour" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:03:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1017767260.160424@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 35 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31522 Monday April 01 10:55 AM EST By FRED ALVAREZ California beekeepers managed to pump out enough nectar last year to reestablish the Golden State as the nation's top honey producer. But at honeybee farms throughout the state, there has been little comfort in recapturing the crown. Though honey prices are higher than they've been in years, the industry faces a swarm of troubles, from cutthroat competition by foreign exporters to voracious pests that can gut production and drive beekeepers out of business. Then there are more immediate concerns, such as an ongoing dry spell sure to shrink the amount of vegetation available this year for honeybees to feed. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (news - web sites) may count California as No. 1, but veteran beekeepers say the view from the top can be precarious. "I wouldn't paint too rosy a picture, because it's not," said Red Bennett, a 60-year-old former NASA (news - web sites) engineer who two dozen years ago surrendered his pursuit of space travel for flight operations closer to earth in Ventura County. Full story at http://www.latimes.com/news/yahoo/la-000023331apr01.story?coll=la%2Dnewsaol% 2Dheadlines Article 31523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Date: 2 Apr 2002 12:37:14 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3ca9ec4a$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.38 X-Original-Trace: 2 Apr 2002 12:37:14 -0500, 141.219.66.38 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 40 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!nerim.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31523 Allen Dick wrote: > Inasmuch as honey production and selection for HYG > (http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/hygienic.htm) are two of the most > important criteria these days, and simple tests can be done by breeders to > confirm the presence of these characteristics without eliminating other > desirable traits, the above quote illustrates exactly why beekeepers must > think twice before just buying queens from 'nice people'. We must be > hard-nosed and demand that the breeders do in fact breed and select > knowledgeably using up-to-date measurements, and not just nice-sounding > subjective evaluations. I am all for buying queens from good queen breeders. My problem is, how do I find out who that is? Do I have to personally call every queen breeder in the country and quiz them (and hope they aren't just telling me what they think I want to hear?). I'm sure that most everyone has their opinions about queen breeders (both good and bad), but there seems to be a curious reluctance to name names [1]. So, we all have to go on our personal experience, and don't get the benefit of other people's observations. Is there somebody who keeps track of which breeders are good, and which ones aren't? Or, for that matter, which ones are actually using good breeding practices? I think it would help us all out a lot if there was some sort of central place where we could all compare notes to see who is doing what. [1] Well, to break the trend, I'll throw in my limited experience. Ordered package bees from B. Weaver the first year, never arrived due to post office screwup, refunded my money with no argument. Then got three nucs from a local beekeeper, don't know where he ordered his queens from, but they were OK. Since then, have ordered queens from Heitkam's Honey Bees, they have always arrived on schedule, in good shape, and have been healthy and decent egg-layers. They are reputed to be hygenic, but I haven't really gotten around to testing them to be sure. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 31524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CA964CD.A84CDE18@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost Hive References: <3CA525AF.7010000@doesnt.work> <3CA7CC37.AAD519F@fuse.net> <3CA84B83.9010509@doesnt.work> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:14:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.240.143.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1017774872 67.240.143.6 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:14:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:14:32 EST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!9e9cc8a6!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31524 Taylor Francis wrote: > > Judy and Dave wrote: > > > > > > > Taylor: > > > > Did you use any treatments in the hive? Would you feed this honey to > > your child? Base your decision on whether to use the honey for human > > consumption on the answers to these two questions. > > > > If there was no foulbrood, the honey is fine to feed to your remaining > > hive. > > > > No I didn't treat the hive...that's why I'm wondering. This was my > first winter with hives. I'm new to beekeeping and don't know if it's > AFB or not... > > See my other message "Dead Hive" for details of the hive... > > T I lost a hive, too. There was plenty of honey for them to eat, but all the bees are dead. I had purchased the hive from a friend last fall after one of my hives had been destroyed by moths. My other hives are strong and active, but I would like to know why the new hive died. Can someone tell me what foulbrood would do to a hive and how would I recognize it? I have one super of honey on this dead hive to dispose of. Help! Thank you. Louise -- | The poetry of heroism appeals irresistibly to Louise Adderholdt | those who don't go to a war, and even more so louise.adderholdt@gte.net | to those whom the war is making enormously | wealthy. --Celine Article 31525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Nick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimonda books Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <7f3q8.29844$2O2.1359538@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 20:17:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.195.159.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk 1017692227 80.195.159.87 (Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:17:07 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:17:07 BST Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!isdnet!nerim.net!deine.net!amsnews01.chello.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31525 Hello Everyone I went to move the bees today at the home of a recently deceased beekeeper and mentioned to the daughter that beekeeping books were often of interest to other beekeepers. Bless her, she trots off and returnes with an Apimonda book, a bound volume from a conference in I believe Finland, she tells me that her father had a number of these from different conferences around the world, America, Rumania, Japan, and a few more - are they worth anything, is any body interested? Nick Article 31526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jessie Cropley Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,alt.bbs.beeline,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: contacting a Polish beekeeper Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3CA8C3F4.E3D26098@btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-248-29.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1017693606 4637 213.122.248.29 (1 Apr 2002 20:40:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:40:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!deine.net!amsnews01.chello.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu soc.culture.polish:394039 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:352 alt.bbs.beeline:399 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31526 Hi Can anyone please give me contact details (prob phone only) for a Polish beekeeper ? His name (in Romanised form) is WOJCIECH SMARUF and he lives near Gniezno in Poland. I've met him once before in Poland (as part of a large beekeeper's group) but didn't take away his phone number. Now I want to go visit him again. The info I have is that there is no online phone directory for Poland. Please reply to me directly as well as through the newsgroups - many thanks in anticipation regards Roy roy.cropley@btinternet.com Article 31527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: support@4sms.org (Free SMS Support) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE!!! E-mail->SMS, WWW->SMS, SMS-Games!!! Welcome to WWW.4SMS.ORG Date: 2 Apr 2002 03:26:06 GMT Organization: Donbass Internet Center DIPT Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: freesms.dipt.donetsk.ua X-Trace: dipt.donbass.net 1017717966 22585 195.184.192.109 (2 Apr 2002 03:26:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dipt.donbass.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2002 03:26:06 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.rt.ru!news.donbass.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31527 Absolutelly FREE!!! Multilanguage, multiSMSservice gate www.4sms.org : English, Germany Finnish, Russian!!! Send SMS FREE more than 50 countries! Article 31528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone use cedar boxes? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:26:19 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3CA7B6B0.7519@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-952.pounder.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1017728783 31761 62.25.215.184 (2 Apr 2002 06:26:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2002 06:26:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31528 Red cedar is used extensively in the UK, having been promoted by equipment manufacturers due to its light weight and low maintenance requirements. However, it is expensive, easily damaged and woodpeckers love it! Give me pine any day. "Thom" wrote in message news:3CA7B6B0.7519@hotmail.com... > Has anyone experimented with cedar bee boxes? Seems that mites and > moths wouldn't like them, but do bees tolerate them? > > Thom Article 31529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1017756231.13636.0.nnrp-08.c2deb0c0@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: For sale ; Equipment UK Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:33:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017794011 24.31.219.77 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:33:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:33:31 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31529 "Carol Harding" wrote > Due to anaphylactic shock, we had to find a good home for our bees. Were you taking any pain-killing drugs when the incident happened? That's what happened to me. When the drugs cleared my system, I had no further problem. Drugs in the ibuprofen family have been known to do this. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: clover and locust Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:46:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017794804 24.31.219.77 (Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:46:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:46:44 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31530 "Scott Jarrell" >I have planted an apple tree and a peach > tree. If you get beehives, you will have pollinators for your fruit. But your apple will also require a pollenizer (another apple or crab apple variety to bloom at the same time and provide pollen). Apples are self sterile, and cannot even use another tree of the same variety. Peaches are self fertile, though many varieties will produce more reliably with a pollenizer. Cummins Nursery http://www.cumminsnursery.com/ has good lists of pollenizers for various fruits. You need varieties that produce plentiful viable pollen. Some varieties have sterile pollen. I have also been sowing clover, thinking it would be good for the > bees. Then a co-worker of mine who used to keep bees long ago, said they > only like a certain kind. I planted everyday ordinary red clover, I thought > the only difference was the color. Sweet clover is the greatest honey producer. The various white clovers tend to be better producers than red clovers. Some red clover varieties have flowers that are too deep for a honeybee's tongue. Bumblebees will work them, as they have a longer tongue. That is not an absolute, as I have seen honeybees work the dickens out of red clovers some years. I think, in a very good year, the droplet of nectar is big enough for the honeybee to reach part of it. >Is this true, if so when I reseed next > year what should I use. Also there has been talk of what kinds of wood to > use in super construction. How about locust? It has good rot resistance and > is toxic to some bugs, but maybe bees too. Thanks If you can drive a nail in black locust wood, go ahead! I'll bet you'll have to drill every nail hole. I prefer softer woods, even though they don't last forever. In the South (US), cypress is favored for longivity, but it's expensive and sometimes hard to find. Most of my supers are build of white pine, some from loblolly pine (not so good, splits too easily), and a few from yellow poplar (very nice to work). -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:09:53 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CAA8091.88570858@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------920C025FD1E63ED164F88A5F" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 133 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31531 --------------920C025FD1E63ED164F88A5F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allen Dick wrote: > Some of the most successful beekeepers use one strip. The trick is to use > it at the correct time and in the right place. Exactly. However, hobbyist beekeepers, and perhaps other successful beekeepers, have found that following the label directions is paramount to success. In our climate, if we were to use a follower board and cut the size of the brood box to 5 frames or even use a nuc size box, and use the one strip when the bees were clustered for the winter, then the contact, as is explained on the label, may be minimal. Also, perhaps the strip would need to be removed when the weather may be too cold to uncover the bottom box. In a professional beekeeping operation, perhaps the one strip can work. When helping younger beekeepers to learn, I prefer giving them the 'common' and, preferably, superior methods and allowing them to learn and grow into their own way of keeping bees. The use of both of our responses willl help them to see that there are many ways of doing everything. > Patties are still the best OTC treatment method. Dusting is unreliable and > subject to error. Sorry, Allen, I respectfully disagree. In one of Peter Borst's posts to your Bee-L, he stated that the recommendation for the use of dust is found on the following site. http://www.ontariobee.com/disease.htm If you read the reference, the footnote at the bottom states emphatically that patties should be avoided to reduce any chance of resistance to terramycin. In addition, I have heard speakers claim the same, just don't have my full notes from their presentations so I will not quote from memory. > > As there has been some reporting of > > terramycin resistant strains of foulbrood, beekeepers are trying to > tighten up > > as many gaps as they can. > > Patties are being investigated as the preferred application method for the > new drugs for SAFB because of their accurate targeting, measured dose and > visibility. Protein patties are contemplated this time, though, not patties > using grease as the vehicle, since the thought is that protein is handled by > bees that feed brood, and the brood is where the drug needs to go. > I hope that this alternate treatment will be able to use patties. They are definitely easier and less labor intense. We all hope that that alternate medication or method will soon be available to fight foulbrood. > In the meantime, extender patties are still the most reliable, consistent, > and effective method of administering OTC -- in spite of rumours and > speculation to the contrary. At least this is true in my apiaries, and I > have tried everything over the last 25 years on many, many thousands of > colonies. I am glad that the patties have worked reasonably well for you. However, I do remember a post about the foulbrood problem you had. Hopefully it was only with the hives that missed the treatment. Judy --------------920C025FD1E63ED164F88A5F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allen Dick wrote:
Some of the most successful beekeepers use one strip.  The trick is to use
it at the correct time and in the right place.
Exactly.  However, hobbyist beekeepers, and perhaps other successful beekeepers, have found that following the label directions is paramount to success.  In our climate, if we were to use a follower board and cut the size of the brood box to 5 frames or even use a nuc size box, and use the one strip when the bees were clustered for the winter, then the contact, as is explained on the label,  may be minimal.  Also, perhaps the strip would need to be removed when the weather may be too cold to uncover the bottom box.

In a professional beekeeping operation, perhaps the one strip can work.  When helping younger beekeepers to learn, I prefer giving them the 'common' and, preferably, superior methods and allowing them to learn and grow into their own way of keeping bees.

The use of both of our responses willl help them to see that there are many  ways of doing everything.

Patties are still the best OTC treatment method.  Dusting is unreliable and
subject to error.
Sorry, Allen, I respectfully disagree.  In one of Peter Borst's posts to your Bee-L, he stated that the recommendation for the use of dust is found on the following site.  http://www.ontariobee.com/disease.htm
If you read the reference, the footnote at the bottom states emphatically that patties should be avoided to reduce any chance of resistance to terramycin.  In addition, I have heard speakers claim the same, just don't have my full notes from their presentations so I will not quote from memory.
> As there has been some reporting of
> terramycin resistant strains of foulbrood, beekeepers are trying to
tighten up
> as many gaps as they can.

Patties are being investigated as the preferred application method for the
new drugs for SAFB because of their accurate targeting, measured dose and
visibility.  Protein patties are contemplated this time, though, not patties
using grease as the vehicle, since the thought is that protein is handled by
bees that feed brood, and the brood is where the drug needs to go.
 

I hope that this alternate treatment will be able to use patties.  They are definitely easier and less labor intense.  We all hope that that alternate medication or method will soon be available to fight foulbrood.
In the meantime, extender patties are still the most reliable, consistent,
and effective method of administering OTC -- in spite of rumours and
speculation to the contrary.  At least this is true in my apiaries, and I
have tried everything over the last 25 years on many, many thousands of
colonies.
I am glad that the patties have worked reasonably well for you.  However, I do remember a post about the foulbrood problem you had.  Hopefully it was only with the hives that missed the treatment.

Judy --------------920C025FD1E63ED164F88A5F-- Article 31532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spliting hives? Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 05:08:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1017810485 198.164.250.93 (Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:08:05 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:08:05 AST Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31532 I have only one hive and no experiance to speak of. I plan to split the hive which consist of two full supers right now as follows... I put the queen extruder inbetween the two supers... three days later check for eggs.... Then take the super with the eggs (and queen) set a new super on top and take the other one without the eggs and put a furtal queen in it and put a new super on top. Does that sound right? is there way I can expand to 3 hives instead of 2 or do I have to buy another package of bees? I was wondering if I could add another super now and when the queens arrive on 22 Apr I could split to 3 hives? I Would like to have 3 hive if possible without having to buy bees... Ken, NB Canada... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:28:51 -0700 Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CAA8091.88570858@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017811743 28800746 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31533 >>>Sorry, Allen, I respectfully disagree. In one of Peter Borst's posts to your Bee-L, he stated that the recommendation for the use of dust is found on the following site. http://www.ontariobee.com/disease.htm If you read the reference, the footnote at the bottom states emphatically that patties should be avoided to reduce any chance of resistance to terramycin. In addition, I have heard speakers claim the same, just don't have my full notes from their presentations so I will not quote from memory. <<< I have read a lot of this baloney, traced it to the source, and have shamed a number of people (who should know better than repeat unproven accusations) to retract -- or at least stop repeating this speculative hogwash. I haven't managed to get to everyone and the theory is ridiculously attractive to those who have to try to explain everything -- even the unexplained. Speculation is all it is, but people always need a scapegoat. Remember this. A high percentage of what passes for common knowledge is just plain wrong. Even many scientists and extension people are quite gullible and just repeat what they hear. Ask for proof of this urban legend. You won't get any. There is none. >>>I am glad that the patties have worked reasonably well for you. However, I do remember a post about the foulbrood problem you had. Hopefully it was only with the hives that missed the treatment. <<< I can see that you *really* want to believe that party line, but suspect you should think about this a bit more. Good, because whatever the reason was, before we bagan using extender patties, the breakdown was consistent from year to year in spite of multiple applications, and backup syrup treatments. I was a bee inspector a quarter century back, and even bought infected hives knowingly, then cleaned them up using sulfa -- as Phillips recommended in his time. When we went to OTC from sulfa, we learned what a comparatively touchy and unreliable drug OTC is. The dusting methods recommended never did achieve complete and consistent control because the recommended dose was too small and knowledgeable beekeepers simply doubled the official dose and then had reasonable (but never complete) success. In an area or outfit where AFB was endemic, a consistent breakdown of 2 to 5% of hives -- for whatever reason -- was not untypical, even using careful OTC dusting -- and medicated syrup as well. This constant breakdown guanteed a reservoir of disease being perpetuated. With the use of patties, the breakdown drops to a tiny percentage of one percent and the infection levels drop. OTC is a crappy drug for AFB control and has never been any better than marginal. Where OTC was the only permitted drug, patties gave the best control, and still do. They are implicated in resistant AFB the same way police and firemen are implicated in an emergency. They are often at the scene. Almost no one thinks that police and firemen cause fires and crime... What caused the resistant AFB to emerge? Who knows? Nobody. I can give you at least two more plausible theories than the 'caused by extender patty' fairy tale. Those who have used the new drugs that are in the pipeline for approval are amazed at how well they work compared to OTC. Let's hope, though that we don't abuse them the way we did OTC by using a lame delivery system like dusting. Let's hope that we have the wisdom to develop bees that are highly resistant to AFB and get them into general use so that we seldom find a need to use drugs. allen Article 31534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Capturing feral bee problem Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com Send only the header of the offending post, DO NOT attach any file. X-Comment: NOTICE: Uncensored-News.Com does not condone, nor support, spam, illegal or copyrighted postings. X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 3 Apr 2002 06:37:57 +0100 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!feed1.uncensored-news.com!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31534 I have a problem about how to get feral bees out of a hollow tree. The property owner said, if I can get them out I could have them, but the owner does not want the tree cut down. I have thought, maybe to use a bee vac to get them out or maybe drilling holes to find the base of the hollow and squirting bee robber into the base of the hollow to get them to come out of their entrance. Will any of these ideals work or does anyone have any suggestions. Thank you. ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source Article 31535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:57:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1017835053 24.31.219.77 (Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:57:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:57:33 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31535 "William C" wrote in message news:3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com... > I have a problem about how to get feral bees out of a hollow tree. The > property owner said, if I can get them out I could have them, but the owner > does not want the tree cut down. I have thought, maybe to use a bee vac to > get them out or maybe drilling holes to find the base of the hollow and > squirting bee robber into the base of the hollow to get them to come out of > their entrance. Will any of these ideals work or does anyone have any > suggestions. Thank you. I would try drumming them, if the wood is sound enough to make a decent ring. Got a rubber mallet? I have drummed bees out of walls, and out of old hives with no frames. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: clover and locust Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:08:43 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017853725 28411055 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!deine.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31536 Dave, Scott: Red clover is supposed to be better for honeybees if cut after the first bloom. The later blooms are smaller, so the bees can get into them better. I know mine blooms several times a year if I keep it cut. But, white clover is the one they love here (soils are generally too acid for sweet clover to be happy in TN). And that is the pure truth on black locust. Let them get big enough to turn into lumber and you get sparks attempting to chain saw them down. Most mills here won't take locust knowingly to turn into planks, as it dulls their blades too much. They do make good fence posts, however. Of course, if you have them on your property, prepare to spend several years mowing the sprouts down after you cut a tree -- they grow back vigorously, with large thorns. I let mine be now (the ones still standing), as the bees get a good flow some years. Karen Article 31537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: For sale ; Equipment UK Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:10:44 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <1017756231.13636.0.nnrp-08.c2deb0c0@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017853846 28795209 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31537 I've had the same happen when taking ibuprofen or antibiotics, after stings to the head (rule #1 - don't forget the headnet, how many times do I have to tell myself that). But, most stings don't even cause a reaction, including several to the hand since. K, Oland "Dave Green" wrote in message news:v5sq8.5131$XP2.2149946@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > > "Carol Harding" wrote > > > Due to anaphylactic shock, we had to find a good home for our bees. > > Were you taking any pain-killing drugs when the incident happened? > That's what happened to me. When the drugs cleared my system, I had no > further problem. Drugs in the ibuprofen family have been known to do this. Article 31538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:32:10 -0600 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.104 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017869540 29343989 216.167.143.104 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.104!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31538 Judy said: >I love those kids. Judy to the clever kids in your discussion group, it might appear from what you've learned that keeping bees requires a lot of chemicals treatments of which then divides into how best to administer the chemicals. I would hope you also advise them that there are beekeepers who don't use these chemicals because they are of course, expensive but never a sure thing, and like hundreds of other herbicide and pesticide chemicals being used for sacred commercial reasons, their effect over a long period of time is completely unknown. The 'authority' that declares these chemicals to be safe when following directions and produces only 'acceptable' residues are in fact the companies that make the chemicals and not as you might think, independent 'government' agencies concerned about long term consumer welfare, like kids growing up for instance. So, don't forget to include a question for your students to the effect that "do you mind having small and 'acceptable' amounts of chemicals in your food of which the effects over a long period of time are completely unknown"? Just ask them for me, I would be interested to know what they thought, after all kids say the darnest things because they have not yet lost their ability to think, like most adults. C.K. Article 31539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Date: 3 Apr 2002 14:28:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.136.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1017872916 7334 127.0.0.1 (3 Apr 2002 22:28:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2002 22:28:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31539 > I would try drumming them, if the wood is sound enough to make a decent > ring. Got a rubber mallet? > > I have drummed bees out of walls, and out of old hives with no frames. Dave Is drumming bees out of thier nest that easy? I have heard of this before, tell me how you do this and how long it takes to do so. Can you drum the bees out of a hive with drawn brood frames? and if not, how could you drum them out of a tree nest? Ian Article 31540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Date: 3 Apr 2002 18:51:09 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1017888670 15476 127.0.0.1 (4 Apr 2002 02:51:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2002 02:51:10 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31540 Howdy William -- I think you will find that the only satisfactory way to get your bees out is by trapping them out by covering the entrance hole with a screen wire funnel tapered to a 3/8 inch opening at the end. A small colony in a nuc box or small hive is placed as near the end of the funnel as possible. As the flying bees leave the tree colony, the can not get back in -- so they join the small colony placed there. The new colony can be given a queen or eggs to raise their own. The process takes about 6 weeks. This process may not be practical unless you have adequate time and patience. Pete ********************************************************* Article 31541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:36:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CABCA36.34C2D258@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CAA8091.88570858@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 54 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31541 Allen Dick wrote: > I > haven't managed to get to everyone and the theory is ridiculously attractive > to those who have to try to explain everything -- even the unexplained. > Speculation is all it is, but people always need a scapegoat. I absolutely agree with you. However, when helping new beekeepers, whether young or old, I like to present all the opinions, with emphasis on research and generally available recommendations. If you were to read any of my handouts, you would see that I do just that, present all sides. Including the mint and vinegar and powdered sugar and burn and don't treat and buy hygienic queens. But each beekeeper must make up their own mind and do what is comfortable for them. And in order to make an informed decision I believe they must have all recent research and opinions. However, Dave and I did not use terramycin in 2001. Probably won't in 2002. Unless we start to see a trend or pattern that we can't stop. We are proud that, in our county and surrounding ones, you can't go for more than 4 miles or so before you are in a beekeeper's neighborhood. When we started, I guess 6 years ago, there were only 2 beekeepers in these counties. And they were both in their 80s. But, to the point, not all beekeepers are totally committed to their bees. And we can't be sure just what is in our neighbor's hives. (Kentucky does not have a real inspection system at this time) So we are vigilant, and will use the terramycin if we need to. Unfortunately, now I can't be sure which application method is the best. Thanks for that. We will have to think about it some more. > In an area or outfit > where AFB was endemic, a consistent breakdown of 2 to 5% of hives -- for > whatever reason -- was not untypical, even using careful OTC dusting -- and > medicated syrup as well. This constant breakdown guanteed a reservoir of > disease being perpetuated. With the use of patties, the breakdown drops to > a tiny percentage of one percent and the infection levels drop. It is this exhibition of knowledge and experience that is astounding in this beekeeping industry. I have read about every book that has been published in the English language about bees. And I am a fervent note-taker at any and all beekeeping presentations. For now, I have to tow the party line because of only 6 years of actual experience. I do not have enough knowledge or experience to attack that line. That's why I am grateful that there are many beekeepers who are willing to share their experiences and question the "status quo" or even "scientific findings". > Let's hope that we have the wisdom to develop bees that are highly > resistant to AFB and get them into general use so that we seldom find a need > to use drugs. The wisdom is there. The need is there. Let's hope it's quick. Judy Article 31542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:02:55 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 60 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31542 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > So, don't forget to include a question for your students to the > effect that "do you mind having small and 'acceptable' amounts of > chemicals in your food of which the effects over a long period of > time are completely unknown"? > > Just ask them for me, I would be interested to know what they > thought, after all kids say the darnest things because they have not > yet lost their ability to think, like most adults. Hi Charlie Excellent point. Have you spoken with many young people lately? They are more knowledgeable about chemicals and nature and our environment than many of us 'so called' adults. If you have not read Patricia's essay on our local bee club's website, I urge you to do so. The web address is http://home.fuse.net/backyardbees/ As a matter of fact, we are doing an experiment on our 4h hives. (We have 2 hives that are for the use of kids that can't afford their own. They can work these hives, we extract the honey as a group, and share the rewards) We are treating one with all the current recommended things, the other we are using only natural methods (just no chemicals). It is funny, in a way. We have one beekeeper who will cut every corner, steal every drop of honey (including from the brood boxes that have been treated with many chemicals) and feed his bees sugar while having a honey super on. He knows of my concerns, everyone does. It makes for some very good discussions at 4h meetings. Interesting how quickly the young people can identify who to listen to out of respect for their knowledge, and who to listen to out of respect only for their age. When we experimented with the powdered sugar for varroa control the kids were very excited. We used a garden duster that was new and not used for chemicals. It worked well. We use screened bottom boards and recommend them. The state apiarist recommended the use of coumaphos for mites because he had seen some resistance to the Apistan. He recommended just using it because we had the Section 8 exemption (I think that it). I pointed out to our members that there has been some concern about the presence of that chemical in wax. I also said that Florida went back and forth about using the coumaphos in hives that are used for comb honey. And strongly urged them to think long and hard about its use. So, Charlie, we openly and truthfully (I hope) deal with your concerns (which they share) on an ongoing basis. My "kids" are informed and well aware of the use of chemicals and their place in our environment. Hopefully, one of them will be the one that finds that magic non-chemical way to help the bees remain strong and healthy. As an aside, we were driving past the local County Fairgrounds where they were cutting down about 30 locust trees. My grandson said "Wow, look at that. What are they doing? Don't they know they are cutting down our air supply? Let's stop, grandma, and tell them, they must not know how important the trees are." Dillon is 9 years old. Judy Article 31543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:29:06 -0600 Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.167 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017898147 29458677 216.167.138.167 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.167!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31543 Judy said: >Excellent point. Have you spoken with many young people lately? No..I get my impression of the younger set from television advertisements, which don't portray them well...little monsters who's mothers rush to clean up their mess; that sort of thing. >If you have not read Patricia's >essay on our local bee club's website, I urge you to do so. Thanks, I'll have a look >We have one beekeeper who will cut every corner, >steal every drop of honey (including from the brood boxes that have >been treated with many chemicals) Yes..I don't get it, but that's the way humans are, so tedious and rather hopeless in the main, especially in large numbers..Still I always believe that someday there will happen, that idea who's time has come. >Interesting how quickly the >young people can identify who to listen to out of respect for their >knowledge, and who to listen to out of respect only for their age. Young people not made insane, are quite adroit at sussing out the truth, I noticed this a lot, but as they get older, this ability goes away. So..you know young people who have respect for someone's age? Where is this place? >He >recommended just using it because we had the Section 8 exemption (I >think that it). Yes, file that under making money at all cost. >Hopefully, one of them will be the one that finds that magic >non-chemical way to help the bees remain strong and healthy and if not that, a statesman or great teacher that will make people turn away from all this and love the earth instead. >As an aside, we were driving past the local County Fairgrounds where >they were cutting down about 30 locust trees. sad to hear it..30 years ago, after reading those books by J.R.R. Tolkien anyone doing such things would be labeled by me as "Orcs" Now Orcs are everywhere, and trees are being cleared at an unbelievable rate. It should be noted here too that another writer I like, Charles Portis, said: "white trash always cut down their trees." >Let's stop, grandma, and tell them, they must not >know how important the trees are." Dillon is 9 years old. Good for Dillon, lets hope he can hold that thought for the rest of his life. C.K. Article 31544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:44:27 -0700 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CAA8091.88570858@fuse.net> <3CABCA36.34C2D258@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-10.internode.net (198.161.229.202) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017899082 29642288 198.161.229.202 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31544 > you would see that I do just that, present all sides. Including the mint and > vinegar and powdered sugar and burn and don't treat and buy hygienic queens. > But each beekeeper must make up their own mind and do what is comfortable for > them. And in order to make an informed decision I believe they must have all > recent research and opinions. Exactly. And, not to be too cynical, it does not hurt to point out who profits from each point of view. The beekeeper profits from eliminating disease and having healthy bees. The extension agent and scientist needs pressing problems to keep funded and does not suffer in the least if all the bees in the country are sick. The manufacturer does not mind if infected hives are burnt. Sorta reminds me of the old saying in the stock racket... ahem, excuse me, business. It goes like this: "The firm made money, and the broker made money, and, ... well, ... Two outa three aint't bad!". > However, Dave and I did not use terramycin in 2001. Probably won't in 2002. Good for you. I hope you are getting your bees from a supplier who tests and selects for hygienic behaviour. It does not take a high level of hygienic activity to keep a hive clean if it is not seriously challenged by disease spores in the environment or in the hive. It when a few susceptible hives break down that the hive equipment gets flooded with spores and even the better stock has a hard time staying healthy. allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 31545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 00:09:45 -0600 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.167 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1017900587 29485056 216.167.138.167 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.167!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31545 Judy said: >If you have not read Patricia's >essay on our local bee club's website, I urge you to do so. The web >address is http://home.fuse.net/backyardbees/ I visited the above URL, but I don't use 'word', a well known but proprietary software that produces documents with the file extension ".doc" of which I can't open. Have you considered posting Patricia's essay in a document with the file extension of ".txt" or even ".htm" then everyone can read it. Internet standards, not microsoft standards. C.K. Article 31546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The use of Oxalic acid for verroa control. Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:55:04 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.103.55 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1017906738 210.54.103.55 (Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:52:18 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:52:18 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31546 Hi folks, I have seen heaps of people asking about the use of Oxalic acid for the control of the verroa mite. Below is how it is recommended to be used over here in New Zealand. Oxalic acid is a more recent addition to the arsenal of organic acids used for verroa control. Swiss research showed that 3% oxalic acid, sprayed at 3-4 ml per comb side in broodless colonies, killed 98% of mites. In colonies with brood, however, the efficiency was 30 - 40%. A new application method for oxalic acid has been developed in Europe. The method involves mixing oxalic acid crystals into a 1:1 sugar syrup, and then pouring a measured amount between the combs in early winter, directly onto the bees. The colony should be broodless, and the syrup should be lukewarm to avoid chilling the bees. Outside temperature should be above zero degrees. The oxalic acid does not work through evaporation, so temperature is not as important as it is with essential oils or formic acid. Research suggests that while there is little difference in effectiveness between 4.2% oxalic acid in the syrup and 3.2%, the lower concentration doesn't affect colony build up as much the next spring. Higher concentrations can affect over wintering and spring development in cold climates. Five millilitres of the syrup is applied per frame covered in bees using a graduated syringe. In New Zealand all beekeepers have to be registered and we are all given training on the control of the verroa mite, we each have a book given to us that describes all legal methods of control. If anyone has any questions about the different methods of control, I will gladly email them what is said by MAFF. All the best everyone and bee happy. Dave Andrews. www.dargaville.net Article 31547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving bees Date: 4 Apr 2002 08:17:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1017937061 1955 127.0.0.1 (4 Apr 2002 16:17:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2002 16:17:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31547 I am planning to move several hives to the North Georgia for a month or two. How do i get the hive ready? Do I use regular top cover or i need to get a special kind? What is the best time of the day to do it? Thank you, Andrey. Article 31548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Apr 2002 17:15:24 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-ms) Subject: Re: Moving bees Message-ID: <20020404121524.28268.00000268@mb-ms.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!feed-ev1!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31548 In article , carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) writes: >What is the best time of the day to do it? Nignt, night, night. Bob Pursley Article 31549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Lindstrom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Western PA Beekeepers Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:40:31 -0500 Organization: Navix Internet Subscribers Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3CAC900E.25CB4AC7@alltel.net> Reply-To: jcrocket@alltel.net NNTP-Posting-Host: r-114.162.alltel.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: iac5.navix.net 1017941668 2615 166.102.114.162 (4 Apr 2002 17:34:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@navix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2002 17:34:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.online.be!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news.navix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31549 I'm a small time beekeeper here in SW PA and it turns out I have purchased more queens than I can use this season. If anyone out there in this general vicinity would like them let me know. These are good RUssian queens from an apiary in GA that I have dealt with for several years. They've been good to me, and I trust them. Drop me a note off group if you're interested and I'll let you know the details. I would like to pass them on at my cost, no profit motive here at all. I just don't want to see the queens wasted. Jim Lindstrom The Oak Forest Apiary jcrocket@alltel.net Article 31550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:23:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 31 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31550 In the spring you want to feed them 1:1 syrup. This mix is closer to natural nectar and will stimulate the queen to increase laying activity - this is desireable in the spring. The 2:1 mix is for fall feeding - they don't have to evaporate as much water to make it into winter stores. This is one of those scenarois where less is more. ;-) Billy Smart Rock, KS Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > > Greetings, all... > > We just put in a second hive of bees in our back yard yesterday, and I > want to make sure I'm feeding them correctly. I'm using a syrup mixture > of 2 parts sugar to one part water, thinking that they can probably use > just about all the sugar they can get right now. > > Also, just out of curiosity... if 2:1 is good, are there reasons NOT to > make it even stronger, say, 3:1? > > Thanks! > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:32:33 -0600 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbhurOGg+ZW2dyUEpftTnHn9+hfqCDu0rnVcCehfYG3PXpFVZV3kntn X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2002 00:33:01 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31551 Is that by weight or volume? hehehehe > In the spring you want to feed them 1:1 syrup. This mix is closer to > natural nectar and will stimulate the queen to increase laying activity > - this is desireable in the spring. The 2:1 mix is for fall feeding - > they don't have to evaporate as much water to make it into winter > stores. > > This is one of those scenarois where less is more. ;-) > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS Article 31552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com> References: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:37:29 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1017967048 80.1.219.139 (Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:37:28 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:37:28 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!news4-gui.server.ntli.net!news1-win.server.ntlworld.com!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31552 On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:32:33 -0600, Barry Birkey wrote: >Is that by weight or volume? Yes. Article 31553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:01:12 +0100 Organization: University of York Lines: 23 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk> References: <700de225.0204011446.f6ce035@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1018000926 12441 144.32.85.141 (5 Apr 2002 10:02:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2002 10:02:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31553 Hi Rob, The rule of thumb that I was told was the first time you are comfortable to go around in shirt sleeves... I also look at the weather forcast to make sure there will be a day or two of fine weather.... Don't want to go in and then find a cold wet snap comes the next day, which is often the deciding factor. I started looking in the hives last weekend (Easter weekend) here in York. Paul. Rob Graham wrote: > I know this seems a bit naive but how do you judge just when to take > your first look in the hives after winter. I'm not good at clubs and > have always just done my beekeeping by feel and a couple of old books. > I wouldn't expect to go into my hives here near Edinburgh for 3 or 4 > weeks yet. I read about bees 'balling' the queen if disturbed and > have always taken a very cautious line as a result. > > Rob Article 31554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splitting Hive? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <_Tfr8.3318$Lh6.99008@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:28:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.171 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018006138 198.164.250.171 (Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:28:58 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:28:58 AST Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31554 I have one hive and want to expand... I have a queen on order for 22 April and plan to split the two super hive to two hives using the old queen and the new one. I want more hives and wonder it I can spilt it futher or do I have to wait till next spring? Can I split the hives again in say July or Aug? Or should splits be restricted to spring? -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hive? Message-ID: References: <_Tfr8.3318$Lh6.99008@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:08:31 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:09:15 -0600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31555 It really depends on your goal .. if you don't plan on making a honey crop you can split pretty often by taking a couple of frames of brood away and introducing a new queen. Depending on where you live, you can do this most of the summer allowing them enough time to expand large enough to winter. To maximize honey production you want a large population in the hive at the time of the main nectar flow. One 50,000 bee hive will produce more honey than 3 with 20,000 bees. Dave On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:28:58 GMT, "Ken Bullock" wrote: >I have one hive and want to expand... I have a queen on order for 22 April >and plan to split the two super hive to two hives using the old queen and >the new one. > >I want more hives and wonder it I can spilt it futher or do I have to wait >till next spring? > >Can I split the hives again in say July or Aug? Or should splits be >restricted to spring? Article 31556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Date: 5 Apr 2002 14:05:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <700de225.0204051405.c26fcaa@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0204011446.f6ce035@posting.google.com> <3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.17.239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018044322 26118 127.0.0.1 (5 Apr 2002 22:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2002 22:05:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31556 Paul Waites wrote in message news:<3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk>... Thanks Paul - instincts were correct then. Shirt sleeves in Scotland = about one day in August !!! :>). Anyway the end of April/beginning of May and no earlier is my norm here, though with this current spell of weather I could think about it a bit earlier. Thanks Rob > Hi Rob, > > The rule of thumb that I was told was the first time you are comfortable > to go around in shirt sleeves... > > I also look at the weather forcast to make sure there will be a day or two > of fine weather.... Don't want to go in and then find a cold wet snap > comes the next day, which is often the deciding factor. I started looking > in the hives last weekend (Easter weekend) here in York. > > Paul. > Article 31557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Date: 5 Apr 2002 14:05:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <700de225.0204051405.fa6d4d3@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0204011446.f6ce035@posting.google.com> <3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.17.239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018044322 26121 127.0.0.1 (5 Apr 2002 22:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2002 22:05:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31557 Paul Waites wrote in message news:<3CAD75E8.FCAD33DA@york.ac.uk>... Thanks Paul - instincts were correct then. Shirt sleeves in Scotland = about one day in August !!! :>). Anyway the end of April/beginning of May and no earlier is my norm here, though with this current spell of weather I could think about it a bit earlier. Thanks Rob > Hi Rob, > > The rule of thumb that I was told was the first time you are comfortable > to go around in shirt sleeves... > > I also look at the weather forcast to make sure there will be a day or two > of fine weather.... Don't want to go in and then find a cold wet snap > comes the next day, which is often the deciding factor. I started looking > in the hives last weekend (Easter weekend) here in York. > > Paul. > Article 31558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Fritz and Joyce Ludwig" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 03:25:43 -0500 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust181.tnt1.anderson.sc.da.uu.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1018081546 3228 67.226.224.181 (6 Apr 2002 08:25:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:25:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsrouter.icnc.com!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31558 I have had similar successful experience, but used a bee escape in place of the screen funnel. You are correct, it does take patience! "Pete" wrote in message news:bc3bf29.0204031851.7a8def5f@posting.google.com... > Howdy William -- > > I think you will find that the only satisfactory way to get your bees out > is by trapping them out by covering the entrance hole with a screen wire > funnel tapered to a 3/8 inch opening at the end. A small colony in a nuc > box or small hive is placed as near the end of the funnel as possible. > > As the flying bees leave the tree colony, the can not get back in -- so > they join the small colony placed there. The new colony can be given a > queen or eggs to raise their own. The process takes about 6 weeks. > > This process may not be practical unless you have adequate time > and patience. > > Pete > ********************************************************* Article 31559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:36:17 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-352.clefairy.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1018082189 885 217.135.90.96 (6 Apr 2002 08:36:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2002 08:36:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31559 http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/MovingBees.htm "Andrey" wrote in message news:cf7664b7.0204040817.557c2eed@posting.google.com... > I am planning to move several hives to the North Georgia for a month > or two. How do i get the hive ready? Do I use regular top cover or i > need to get a special kind? What is the best time of the day to do it? > > Thank you, > Andrey. Article 31560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3caa9535_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Subject: Re: Capturing feral bee problem Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:53:33 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.102.7 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1018086422 210.54.102.7 (Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:47:02 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:47:02 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31560 "Ian" wrote in message news:cdaa9ae0.0204031428.621c31e8@posting.google.com... > > I would try drumming them, if the wood is sound enough to make a decent > > ring. Got a rubber mallet? > > > > I have drummed bees out of walls, and out of old hives with no frames. GRIN..!!! Grin!! Drumming Bees is best done at a 4/5 beat very similar to a Reggae beat, as used by Bob Marley and the Whalers. Having thought about it, you could play the Beatles "LET IT BEE!" too them non stop... GRIN!! So far I have tried to coax around twenty Bee hives from tree stumps, in New Zealand where I live, using various methods, but I have yet to try "Drumming!". Perhaps I should turn up with a Bee suit and a rubber mallet. ? My Bee business has evolved from removing feral Bees and swarms from houses downunder, I now have three hundred and forty seven hives in my back garden and others elsewhere.! With the Verroa problem now evident in New Zealand, feral (Wild) Bees should become less of a problem as the verroa mite takes it's toll. Some Bee keepers don't seem to realise just how quick the Verroa mite can destroy a hive. Registered Beekeepers in New Zealand are required to attend free courses, to learn how to control the verroa mite. It only takes a bag of icing sugar and a glass bottle to find out if a hive has a Verroa problem. The world of the "Bee Keeper!" is changing. All the best Dave Andrews Article 31563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:48:31 -0800 Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc2-125.reachone.com Message-ID: <3cafc531@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 6 Apr 2002 20:04:01 -0800, tc2-125.reachone.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc2-125.reachone.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31563 There is a free viewer available from the same company that makes Word so if you didn't want to change the format, you could make the viewer available for Charlie. "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com... > Judy said: > > >If you have not read Patricia's > >essay on our local bee club's website, I urge you to do so. The web > >address is http://home.fuse.net/backyardbees/ > > I visited the above URL, but I don't use 'word', a well known but > proprietary software that produces documents with the file extension > ".doc" of which I can't open. > > Have you considered posting Patricia's essay in a document with the > file extension of ".txt" or even ".htm" then everyone can read it. > > Internet standards, not microsoft standards. > > C.K. Article 31564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> <1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:49:54 -0800 Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc2-125.reachone.com Message-ID: <3cafc583@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 6 Apr 2002 20:05:23 -0800, tc2-125.reachone.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc2-125.reachone.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31564 Really, I always thought it was by approximation. :-) "JAF" wrote in message news:1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com... > On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:32:33 -0600, Barry Birkey > wrote: > > >Is that by weight or volume? > > Yes. > Article 31565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oberloh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020404121524.28268.00000268@mb-ms.aol.com> Subject: Re: Moving bees Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.231.53.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1018158259 12.231.53.66 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 05:44:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 05:44:19 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 05:44:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31565 If you do it at night you can use a red bulb for illumination so your bees dont fly around while you box up your hives. "Bob Pursley" wrote in message news:20020404121524.28268.00000268@mb-ms.aol.com... > In article , > carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) writes: > > >What is the best time of the day to do it? > > Nignt, night, night. > Bob Pursley Article 31566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees wanted Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-123-45-172.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1018163355 21248 213.123.45.172 (7 Apr 2002 07:09:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31566 Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my colonies of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the garden is desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of Grantham, Lincolnshire. Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully received. Thanks Paul Bowden Article 31567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Armando Giglia" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apiculture. Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:31:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.116.232.124 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tin.it X-Trace: news2.tin.it 1018171881 80.116.232.124 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:31:21 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:31:21 MET DST Organization: TIN Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!phobos.ibnetwork.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news-out.tin.it!news-in.tin.it!news2.tin.it.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31567 See you my web: http://digilander.iol.it/fontedelmiele Article 31568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees wanted Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <91o0buk2p4f38qrb5ee72n5ama4llhcq2u@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:05:43 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1018191941 80.1.219.139 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:05:41 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:05:41 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31568 On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC), "Paul Bowden" wrote: >Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my colonies >of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the garden is >desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for >replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of >Grantham, Lincolnshire. > >Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully >received. > >Thanks > >Really, I always thought it was by approximation. > http://www.thorne.co.uk/ -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <3CACE082.3B115EBD@boeing.com> <1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com> <3cafc583@news.turbotek.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:03:04 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1018191781 80.1.219.139 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:03:01 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:03:01 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31569 On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:49:54 -0800, "K Adney" wrote: >"JAF" wrote in message >news:1espau0ap7e3k087pt5ab342j1kea9mfih@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:32:33 -0600, Barry Birkey >> wrote: >> >> >Is that by weight or volume? >> >> Yes. >> >Really, I always thought it was by approximation. > >:-) > It very nearly is. Almost. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis PS. See how it flows, when new material is posted beneath, rather than above, the old? Article 31570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bees wanted Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:09:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1018195745 24.64.223.206 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 10:09:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 10:09:05 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31570 "Paul Bowden" wrote in message news:a8oraq$ko0$1@helle.btinternet.com... > Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my colonies > of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the garden is > desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for > replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of > Grantham, Lincolnshire. > > Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully > received. www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln> > Thanks > > Paul Bowden > > Article 31571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees wanted Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-123-98.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1018209170 14787 213.122.123.98 (7 Apr 2002 19:52:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:52:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31571 Thanks for the link to what looks an interesting site: I stupidly omitted to make clear that my location is the UK though! Best wishes. Paul Bowden "Beeguy" wrote in message news:Ba_r8.25189$%3.2153824@news1.calgary.shaw.ca... > > "Paul Bowden" wrote in message > news:a8oraq$ko0$1@helle.btinternet.com... > > Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my > colonies > > of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the garden > is > > desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for > > replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of > > Grantham, Lincolnshire. > > > > Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully > > received. www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln> > > Thanks > > > > Paul Bowden > > > > > > Article 31572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lucien winslow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: growth Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:09:21 -0500 Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com> Reply-To: lwinslow@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ/VkkwEzMvzprnEBs+rwqY+VL1Uh8vmGqYEzd6BasgAf0R0TzfcGC9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Apr 2002 21:11:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31572 i saw bright orange something on the legs of a bee. also different color growth on another, what is this also have a hive loaded with bees, so i spilt it twice and added to queens, is that cool Article 31573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: growth Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:53:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31573 "lucien winslow" wrote in message news:3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com... > i saw bright orange something on the legs of a bee. also different > color growth on another, what is this also have a hive loaded with bees, > so i spilt it twice and added to queens, is that cool > Ah, Spring bring the growth of Pollen from the flowers of the filed, could that be your orange growth? I think so Article 31574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: growth Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:55:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3cb0ce2a.86654967@news1.radix.net> References: <3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31574 On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:53:28 -0500, "Charles Pecka" wrote: > >"lucien winslow" wrote in message >news:3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com... >> i saw bright orange something on the legs of a bee. also different >> color growth on another, what is this also have a hive loaded with bees, >> so i spilt it twice and added to queens, is that cool >> > >Ah, Spring bring the growth of Pollen from the flowers of the filed, could >that be your orange growth? I think so > Naw, it's bee leg cancer! beekeep Article 31575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com> Subject: Re: growth Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%q4s8.7024$Lh6.172495@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 23:16:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.250.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018221371 142.166.250.39 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:16:11 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:16:11 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31575 I am a newbie, but I have been watching my girls for just about a year and they often come home with their leg pouches full of pollen. It make them look like they have a growth on their legs, but that is removed after entering the hive, stored and eatnen or fed to the bouncing baby girls. I havn't split yet so, I an not the one to talk about that. -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "lucien winslow" wrote in message news:3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com... > i saw bright orange something on the legs of a bee. also different > color growth on another, what is this also have a hive loaded with bees, > so i spilt it twice and added to queens, is that cool > Article 31576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bees wanted Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:35:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1018226119 24.64.223.206 (Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:35:19 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:35:19 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!hub1.nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31576 What's problem with your location? I'm from Germany. Best wishes, Manfred Schreiber "Paul Bowden" wrote in message news:a8q82i$ee3$1@knossos.btinternet.com... > Thanks for the link to what looks an interesting site: I stupidly omitted > to make clear that my location is the UK though! Best wishes. Paul Bowden > > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > news:Ba_r8.25189$%3.2153824@news1.calgary.shaw.ca... > > > > "Paul Bowden" wrote in message > > news:a8oraq$ko0$1@helle.btinternet.com... > > > Iam a school teacher and (very) amateur beekeeper. I lost both my > > colonies > > > of bees during the past winter and am anxious to start again: the > garden > > is > > > desolate without bees. I would be happy to pay a reasonable price for > > > replacements and could collect within a distance of about 100 miles of > > > Grantham, Lincolnshire. > > > > > > Any offers or suggestions for further contact would be very gratefully > > > received. www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln> > > > Thanks > > > > > > Paul Bowden > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How close can you place new hives? Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:35:20 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-230.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31577 I am starting two hives (my first) and I want to know how close can the two hives be to each other. I have them about 2 feet apart but the bees won't be here until next week. Article 31578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USA, Mid-Atlantic Region: Hives for sale Date: 8 Apr 2002 06:08:40 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1018260460 19821 166.84.1.2 (8 Apr 2002 10:07:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2002 10:07:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31578 Hello. I know an aging beekeeper that is looking to sell some of his operation. He has strong deep/medium hives with good woodenware, inner-cover, and telescoping top. These colonies are pre-swarm and ready to roll. Treated with Apistan, Fall 2001. I've looked through a third of them and most are very nice. He's asking $85.00 per hive. Augusta county Virginia. Email me if you're interested. Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:52:39 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.73.119 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1018262776 210.54.73.119 (Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:46:16 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:46:16 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31579 "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:a8psh1$tkb$1@ins22.netins.net... Hi Patrick, I am a Beekeeper from Downunder in New Zealand. We usually place our hives no closer than 3 metres from the next hive. All the best Dave Andrews www.dargaville.net Article 31580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fwd: Gaucho Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:22:34 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p105.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1018262748 2734 203.96.192.233 (8 Apr 2002 10:45:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2002 10:45:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31580 Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: Gaucho A beekeeper in North Dakota lost a large number of his bee colonies (60%) last year and has embarked on a campaign to find the cause. Laboratory tests have been performed on the bees and wax. The early testing had shown no residues from aerial spraying of pesticides but the residues of imidacloprid (trade name Gaucho/Admire) in quantities high enough to kill bees. Follow up tests are being done and the case is being documented in preparation for potential legal action. The beekeeper believes that the accumulation of imidacloprid in his bees wax has been occurring for 3-5 years. When he uses fresh comb foundation the bee colony is productive but when he put on contaminated comb the bees begin to die. He has also observed unusual behaviour problems with the bees and advises other beekeepers to be very careful about checking which chemicals have been used in areas of bee forage. A summary of the research done on Gaucho/ Admire will be presented at the annual CHC/CAPA research symposium in Banff. The CHC is concerned about the potential long-term sub lethal effects of imidacloprid on honeybees. We hope that the review of the research to date will indicate what direction needs to be taken for future action. >From Feb 2002 Hivelights - Canadian Honey Council Article 31581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re-queened Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:03:21 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <11964-3CB19519-251@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQroiJJ5oOvji5jGbgt5IevVYmhyAIULGEIKQnhRjOZM4OFG2Kqx8BMyc4= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31581 I just re-queened for the first time. Hoping they will accept the new gal. Wish me luck!! http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ Article 31582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queened Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:18:55 -0400 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <11964-3CB19519-251@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1018279162 32085280 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31582 Good Luck!! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:11964-3CB19519-251@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net... > I just re-queened for the first time. Hoping they will accept the new > gal. Wish me luck!! > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Date: 8 Apr 2002 09:40:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.136.30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018284035 4303 127.0.0.1 (8 Apr 2002 16:40:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2002 16:40:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31583 I keep my bees in groups of four, on a pallet. Each of my bee yards have five to six pallets of bees, pallet spacing of about ten feet apart. Drifting can be a problem but not a big enough problem to worry about. Hives at the ends of the pallet rows seem to recieve the majority of the drifter bees. I find it does'nt affect honey yield, winter losses, and other such's with any great diffenence. Grouping in four makes jobs pollination moves and winter wrapping easier and quicker. I think by having two hives, there won't be any problem with spacing them two feet apart. If your are really worried about it, I would suggest you face the two hives in different directions. Best of beekeeping luck this year Ian Article 31584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:48:27 -0400 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1018288134 32639512 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31584 Just in case anyone else needs this address http://www.beesource.com/plans/ipmbottom.htm -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Michael Puffer" wrote in message news:75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net... > I read somewhere about using screened bottom boards to control varroa motes. > Does anyone have plans for screened bottom baord or know where I could get > them suppossedly the varroa mites fall through the screen and can;t find a > host effectively ending the cycle.If you have any information coudl you > please email me at mj.puffer@hoem.com or reply on this site. thanks > > mike > > Article 31585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Michael Puffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Screened Bottom boards Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:05:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.7.245.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news2.east.cox.net 1018285507 68.7.245.130 (Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:05:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:05:07 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!news2.east.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31585 I read somewhere about using screened bottom boards to control varroa motes. Does anyone have plans for screened bottom baord or know where I could get them suppossedly the varroa mites fall through the screen and can;t find a host effectively ending the cycle.If you have any information coudl you please email me at mj.puffer@hoem.com or reply on this site. thanks mike Article 31586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: 8 Apr 2002 14:07:40 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3cb1dc6c$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.38 X-Original-Trace: 8 Apr 2002 14:07:40 -0400, 141.219.66.38 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!peernews2.colt.net!fr.colt.net!teaser.fr!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31586 Michael Puffer wrote: > I read somewhere about using screened bottom boards to control varroa motes. > Does anyone have plans for screened bottom baord or know where I could get > them suppossedly the varroa mites fall through the screen and can;t find a > host effectively ending the cycle.If you have any information coudl you > please email me at mj.puffer@hoem.com or reply on this site. thanks Well, I didn't use any plans as such. I just cut a big hole in the middle of the bottom board with a reciprocating saw, and stapled 7-mesh hardware cloth over it. This was pretty much what was being recommended here and on Bee-L at the time. It seems to work fine. In fact, of the four colonies that I started the winter with, all three of the ones that had mesh bottom boards survived, and only the one with the solid board died. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 31587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <68065404.0203281212.57f9750@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Website Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:21:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.222.138.181 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1018293663 66.222.138.181 (Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:21:03 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:21:03 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31587 The music was originally wrote by a band named Kansas. The song is called "Dust in the Wind". But the band is kinda honky tonk rock and someone redid it. I'll tell you it's an excellent song and a pretty good band to boot if you like rock. "Glenn West" wrote in message news:68065404.0203281212.57f9750@posting.google.com... > Steven Newport wrote in message news:... > > Who's website is this? > > > > http://www.hcis.net/users/gmc/ > > > > What is the music playing and how did you do the bee on the water? Its > > excellent! > > Turns out the bee is done using a java applet named "Lake.class" (if > you view the source from your browser you'll find the reference). > Seems to be pretty pervasive on the web and a search using any search > engine will give you more references than you can shake a stick at. > > HTH... Article 31588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Date: 8 Apr 2002 13:23:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <700de225.0204081223.2c3b0ace@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.8.194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018297438 12553 127.0.0.1 (8 Apr 2002 20:23:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 2002 20:23:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31588 "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:... > I am starting two hives (my first) and I want to know how close can the two > hives be to each other. I have them about 2 feet apart but the bees won't > be here until next week. Patrick I'm not sure what the thinking is in New Zealand and it may be that they have a lot more space than I, but I've kept bees in a very low key way for 40 years and have never had the luxury of having the hives more than 3 to 4 feet apart. No doubt there will be all sorts of 'experts' will now come along and say that keeping the that close is all wrong, but I've never had any robbing problems - only from wasps - and I've never been to an apiary where the hives are any great distance apart anyway. So if you don't have much space just leave enough to walk comforably between the hives as I do. Rob Scotland Article 31589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:39:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.250.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018298374 142.166.250.74 (Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:39:34 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:39:34 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31589 Nice.... I have been wanting to make these and did know what size screen to use..... Thanks for the info.. -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:a8sl65$v42go$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Just in case anyone else needs this address > http://www.beesource.com/plans/ipmbottom.htm > > -- > BeeFarmer > Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ > > "Michael Puffer" wrote in message > news:75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net... > > I read somewhere about using screened bottom boards to control varroa > motes. > > Does anyone have plans for screened bottom baord or know where I could get > > them suppossedly the varroa mites fall through the screen and can;t find a > > host effectively ending the cycle.If you have any information coudl you > > please email me at mj.puffer@hoem.com or reply on this site. thanks > > > > mike > > > > > > Article 31590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:45:22 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-024.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31590 Thank you! I appreciate all the input! The best spacing reason I've heard so far is to have enough room to get a lawn mower between them. ...I just hope they don't mind that.... "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:a8psh1$tkb$1@ins22.netins.net... > I am starting two hives (my first) and I want to know how close can the two > hives be to each other. I have them about 2 feet apart but the bees won't > be here until next week. > > Article 31591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Eric Ryder" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bottom boards Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:32:11 -0400 Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bnh-4-43.mv.com X-Trace: pyrite.mv.net 1018312340 6040 199.125.99.235 (9 Apr 2002 00:32:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mv.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2002 00:32:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.mv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31591 I'm a newbie and have just put my first bees into a hive. I'm a little concerned that maybe I have the bottom board upside down. The board has one side that is a more shallow than the other. I have the shallow side up. It seemed to make the best fit with the brood chamber and the stand without leaving some large openings that the bees would have to defend. It was also the side that worked with the entrance blocker. When I set it up with the deep side up the entrance blocker didn't cover the opening. Is this correct? LVR Article 31592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: 8 Apr 2002 18:56:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0204081756.34bbf193@posting.google.com> References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018317374 23346 127.0.0.1 (9 Apr 2002 01:56:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2002 01:56:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31592 "Michael Puffer" wrote in message news:<75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net>... > I read somewhere about using screened bottom boards to control varroa motes. > Does anyone have plans for screened bottom baord or know where I could get > them suppossedly the varroa mites fall through the screen and can;t find a > host effectively ending the cycle.If you have any information coudl you > please email me at mj.puffer@hoem.com or reply on this site. thanks > > mike Just checked with the bees and they love the screen bottoms. The plans from bee-l have a pullout tray that slides out the back so you can look at the debris and see what they are up to like cleaning out brood cells or just eating surplus. Ray Morgan Article 31593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package Bees Message-ID: <3cb2504c.14823904@news> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 6 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 02:23:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1018319000 24.64.223.206 (Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:23:20 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:23:20 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31593 Can hardly wait for that package of Bees to arrive, watch them boil down into the frames with sound and sight I'm sure never to forget Not sure the best time of day to hive the package. I understand that they should have a good feed of syrup prior to, and not to hive on a windy wet day. Will I need to protect my face from the Bees or is it a non-issue? Article 31594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Apr 2002 03:58:54 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Extractors Message-ID: <20020408235854.24793.00002436@mb-cf.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31594 Hello, I have two extractors I would like to sell. One is a motorized four frame and the other is a 4 frame hand crank little wonder. Hand crank is in perfect condition. Motorized extractor has a couple of dings. Both are stainless. I am asking $175 (hand) $200 (motor) plus shipping ($30 - $40). If you are interested please e-mail me at texasdrone@cs.com Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 31595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: 8 Apr 2002 21:38:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> <3cb1dc6c$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.136.17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018327113 28098 127.0.0.1 (9 Apr 2002 04:38:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2002 04:38:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31595 > Well, I didn't use any plans as such. I just cut a big hole in the > middle of the bottom board with a reciprocating saw, and stapled 7-mesh > hardware cloth over it. This was pretty much what was being recommended > here and on Bee-L at the time. It seems to work fine. In fact, of the four > colonies that I started the winter with, all three of the ones that > had mesh bottom boards survived, and only the one with the solid board > died. They claim that the reason the mesh bottom hives over winter better is because the hive gets cooler sooner in the fall, shutting brood rearing down sooner, and the hive warms in the spring slower, inhibiting early spring brood rearing. Brood rearing takes alot of energy which takes alot of food which also puts alot of stress on the bees. The more stress on a wintering bee, the shorter its life, and the weaker the spring colony. The bees maintain a cluster temperature of 22 degrees C when idle, while maintaining a cluster temperature of 30+ degrees C when brood rearing. It is harder to maintain higher temperatures in cluster with colder conditions outside. I guess it depends where you overwinter. Up here in Canada we have very cold winters, and well, I pack my hives with insulation because of that. I want my hives to be as warm as I can get them. I think an open floor would cause too many drafts...?? Ian Article 31596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:28:29 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-265.cubone.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1018333710 262 217.135.100.9 (9 Apr 2002 06:28:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2002 06:28:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31596 Also worth having enough space to put another hive, or nuc box, so that you are able to split the colony for swarm control. If this is put within 2-3 feet of the main site then it will be easy to unite them later if you do not wish to make increase. "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:a8ta33$vl9$1@ins22.netins.net... > Thank you! I appreciate all the input! > The best spacing reason I've heard so far is to have enough room to get a > lawn mower between them. > > ...I just hope they don't mind that.... > > > "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message > news:a8psh1$tkb$1@ins22.netins.net... > > I am starting two hives (my first) and I want to know how close can the > two > > hives be to each other. I have them about 2 feet apart but the bees won't > > be here until next week. > > > > > > Article 31597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0204081223.2c3b0ace@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:51:38 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.179.12 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1018349112 210.55.179.12 (Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:45:12 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:45:12 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31597 "Rob Graham" wrote in message news:700de225.0204081223.2c3b0ace@posting.google.com... > "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:... The problem with placing hives too close together is that of drifting Bees. Around 5% of Bees in a hive are not the original inhabitants of the hive. Just one verroa infected Bee visiting a hive can in fact spread the infection to the new hive. So placing hives very close together can enhance the spread of the verroa mite. Feral Bee colonies will soon be wiped out due to Verroa infections and so the long term view is that Beekeepers will see increased profits from properly managed hives. All the best Dave Andrews www.dargaville.net Article 31598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0204081223.2c3b0ace@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:15:47 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.179.12 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1018350552 210.55.179.12 (Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:09:12 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:09:12 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31598 "Rob Graham" wrote in message news:700de225.0204081223.2c3b0ace@posting.google.com... > "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:... > Patrick > I'm not sure what the thinking is in New Zealand and it may be that > they have a lot more space than I, but I've kept bees in a very low > key way for 40 years and have never had the luxury of having the hives > more than 3 to 4 feet apart. > Rob > Scotland Hi Rob, I ordered a "Scotch Suit!" the other day from my tailors. "See ya Jimmy!" the design that has short arms and deep pockets. The kind seen in a Glasgow pub! (Huge Grin!). My question is ! "Was Hadrian's wall" designed to keep the English out or the Scots in? GRIN! NZ is about the same size as the UK but we onl;y have around 4 million people instead of fifty million, so we do have more space. Sly grin from an import from England to New Zealand. All the best Dave Andrews www.dargaville.net Article 31599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bottom boards Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:35:19 -0400 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1018352147 32991223 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31599 Some folks use the shallow side all year round and don't use entrance reducers. Some folks use the deep side up during most of the season and place an entrance reducer in when it gets cold enough to keep the mice out. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Eric Ryder" wrote in message news:a8tcqk$5so$1@pyrite.mv.net... > I'm a newbie and have just put my first bees into a hive. I'm a little > concerned that maybe I have the bottom board upside down. The board has one > side that is a more shallow than the other. I have the shallow side up. It > seemed to make the best fit with the brood chamber and the stand without > leaving some large openings that the bees would have to defend. It was also > the side that worked with the entrance blocker. When I set it up with the > deep side up the entrance blocker didn't cover the opening. Is this correct? > > LVR > > Article 31600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees Message-ID: <00o5buk304nq7ingk0sfcd475kp6uhdjoj@4ax.com> References: <3cb2504c.14823904@news> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:06:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1018357594 4.33.104.164 (Tue, 09 Apr 2002 06:06:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 06:06:34 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!hub1.meganetnews.com!hub1.nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31600 scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) wrote: >Can hardly wait for that package of Bees to arrive, watch them boil >down into the frames with sound and sight I'm sure never to forget >Not sure the best time of day to hive the package. I understand that >they should have a good feed of syrup prior to, and not to hive on a >windy wet day. Will I need to protect my face from the Bees or is it >a non-issue? Generally, and weather permitting, the sooner the better for hiving package bees. If the nights are cold where you are, best to hive them in the warmer part of the day so they can get organized. If the nights are warm, towards evening is probably better, as it would let them get accustomed before they fly and it minimizes robbing if you have other hives nearby. You will probably feel more comfortable and confident with adequate protection from stings, and it certainly will be safer. Like wearing a seat belt, I ALWAYS wear a veil. This is a good page on how to hive package bees: http://balder.prohosting.com/~starrier/hiving.html John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Updatae of the hivenote software Bidata Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:44:09 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3cb2f4c1$0$5232$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.20 X-Trace: 1018361026 dread04.news.tele.dk 5232 195.249.242.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31601 I have now in cooperation with a fellow programmer updated the Bidata Hivenote software, so that a lot of errors have disapeared and most messages now in local language. The searcengine is improved so that what is show is shown in local language. If you have Bidata already, then download the http://apimo.dk/programs/bidataup.zip and just extract it to the homedir of Bidata. Russian language is also now partly supported. Iam working together with a Russian beekeeper to get the software to accept Russian chars all over. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 03-04-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French, Russian with more. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 31602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:03:23 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3cb2f4c2$0$5232$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.20 X-Trace: 1018361026 dread04.news.tele.dk 5232 195.249.242.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31602 "Patrick Dugan" skrev i en meddelelse news:a8psh1$tkb$1@ins22.netins.net... > I am starting two hives (my first) and I want to know how close can the two > hives be to each other. I have them about 2 feet apart but the bees won't > be here until next week. You can place your hives as close as you want. If you look at the Switzerland way of keeping bees, they have the bees in a house close to each other. They are working the bees from inside the house and from the back if the hive. If you have hives that close you can paint the front of the hive in different colours so that the bees have a visual sight to return to. I have my bees on pallets square metre. This allows four langstroth hives to fit. they are placed so that each hive have it entrance in separate direction. I am not lining my pallets up as soldiers, but placing them around with bushes, trees or rocks as landmarks for the bees to go for on returning. This will avoid nearly all drifting. If you line the bees up as soldiers you will get the middle hive bees to drift into the outer hives so that those will get stronger and the middle hives will get weaker. So try to avoid this if you can. Order in this way, is against nature and you get best result by working with the bees not against them. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 03-04-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French, Russian with more. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 31603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: 9 Apr 2002 16:20:40 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> <504d7af0.0204081756.34bbf193@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.47 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31603 On 8 Apr 2002 18:56:13 -0700, beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) wrote: >"Michael Puffer" wrote in message news:<75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net>... >> I read somewhere about using screened bottom boards to control varroa motes. >> Does anyone have plans for screened bottom baord or know where I could get >> them suppossedly the varroa mites fall through the screen and can;t find a >> host effectively ending the cycle.If you have any information coudl you >> please email me at mj.puffer@hoem.com or reply on this site. thanks >> >> mike > > >Just checked with the bees and they love the screen bottoms. The plans >from bee-l have a pullout tray that slides out the back so you can >look at the debris and see what they are up to like cleaning out brood >cells or just eating surplus. > >Ray Morgan Be carefull using those pullout trays. They may make it possible for the fallen mites to crawl back up if they don't have something the mite will stick to. A professor working on mite control stated at a recent meeting that mites can crawl back up 4 inches. -Tim Article 31604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: audrey.ishizaki@sun.com (audrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee swarm question Date: 9 Apr 2002 13:11:45 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 33 Message-ID: <37411287.0204091211.29a3329d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.9.25.22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018383105 25760 127.0.0.1 (9 Apr 2002 20:11:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2002 20:11:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31604 i am fairly new to beekeeping - my son's birdhouse inadvertantly captured a swarm two years ago. Some beekeeper friends transferred them to a real beehive for me and they have been living in my suburban backyard ever since. They have done all right with my minimal beekeeping skills. Beginner's luck, I guess. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area - very mild winters. I overwintered the bees in two stacked hive bodies. Two days ago, I noticed a "beard" of bees below the hive entrance. I quick got into my bee things and checked out the top hive body. It was full of honey - very little brood (less than when I checked 3 weeks ago). There was an opened queen cell, too. The top hive body was too heavy for me to lift, so I didn't see what the bottom hive body looked like. I added a queen excluder and a single (short) super, which is all I've got. Later that day, it seemed that several thousand bees were gathered on the front of the hive. At 6am the next morning, it still seemed that 2/3 were still on the hive front. By 11:30am that morning, there were only maybe a hundred or two left as a "beard" below the opening, again. Today, only the normal comings/goings of the bees. I haven't had a chance to look inside the hive to see if they swarmed, but I assume they did. I won't be too upset if they did - there's enough time for them to build up for the fall (I'm not in the honey business - I just take the extra for personal use). My question would be - did the new queen leave or the old queen? The books I've read usually say that the old queen swarms. Two beekeeper friends think the new queen left. What say you? thanks, audrey Article 31605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Apr 2002 20:32:38 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Andromeda Bees Message-ID: <20020409163238.07451.00002759@mb-cc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31605 Why would you want to get rid of one of natures better pollinators. These little solitary bees are gentle and hard working. Most are better workers than honeybees working in weather colder and wetter than a honeybee would. Give them a few weeks and most likely they will complete their life cycle and be gone until next year. Article 31606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee swarm question Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <37411287.0204091211.29a3329d@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:44:10 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1018385050 80.1.219.139 (Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:44:10 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:44:10 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31606 On 9 Apr 2002 13:11:45 -0700, audrey.ishizaki@sun.com (audrey) wrote: >I've read usually say that the old queen swarms. Two beekeeper friends >think the new queen left. What say you? It's the old queen who leaves. Not long after she's set up her new home, she'll most likely be replaced. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: alacat Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:23:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CB369F5.53846EFC@i-1.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31607 Dave, For some reason, your link does not work for me. I tried to use www in front of kutikshoney to no avail. Is there a mistake? Thanks, Lawrence Dave Green wrote: > For those who are tired of winter, and want a taste of spring, you can > get it at http://kutikshoney.com/grafting/queens.htm > Article 31608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: 9 Apr 2002 17:27:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 32 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0204091627.10b7c623@posting.google.com> References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> <504d7af0.0204081756.34bbf193@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018398433 1722 127.0.0.1 (10 Apr 2002 00:27:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2002 00:27:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31608 tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... > On 8 Apr 2002 18:56:13 -0700, beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) > wrote: > > >"Michael Puffer" wrote in message news:<75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net>... > >> I read somewhere about using screened bottom boards to control varroa motes. > >> Does anyone have plans for screened bottom baord or know where I could get > >> them suppossedly the varroa mites fall through the screen and can;t find a > >> host effectively ending the cycle.If you have any information coudl you > >> please email me at mj.puffer@hoem.com or reply on this site. thanks > >> > >> mike > > > > > >Just checked with the bees and they love the screen bottoms. The plans > >from bee-l have a pullout tray that slides out the back so you can > >look at the debris and see what they are up to like cleaning out brood > >cells or just eating surplus. > > > >Ray Morgan > > Be carefull using those pullout trays. They may make it possible for > the fallen mites to crawl back up if they don't have something the > mite will stick to. A professor working on mite control stated at a > recent meeting that mites can crawl back up 4 inches. > > -Tim I agree. As soon as it warms up the trays come out and the mites fall to the ground. The real plus is the ventilation. Ray Morgan Article 31609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees Message-ID: <3cb3a2be.5574890@news> References: <3cb2504c.14823904@news> <00o5buk304nq7ingk0sfcd475kp6uhdjoj@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:27:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1018405640 24.64.223.206 (Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:27:20 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:27:20 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf2so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31609 Thanks John for your views and the link. Article 31610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0nhq8.2396$XP2.1378985@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> <3CB369F5.53846EFC@i-1.net> Subject: Re: Busy spring raising queens in South Carolina Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:14:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1018404857 24.31.219.77 (Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:14:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:14:17 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31610 "alacat" wrote > Dave, > For some reason, your link does not work for me. I tried to use www in front > of kutikshoney to no avail. Is there a mistake? My apologies. The domain is being transferred to a new host and it's taking a bit longer than expected. It should be back up soon. Pollinator.com may be down for a few hours or a day, as well. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Adrian Dodd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Andromeda Bees Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:10:48 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem4294967259.firearms.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1018379449 26700 195.92.2.165 (9 Apr 2002 19:10:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2002 19:10:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31611 Hello, Last year my front lawn had dozens of little holes and what seemed to be small bees going in and out. Quite suddenly all the bees disappeared and I thought that the problem had gone away. This year the bees are back and there seems to be even more of them. I've been told that they are called Andromeda bees. Does anyone know how I can get rid of them? Adrian Article 31612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Date: 10 Apr 2002 14:13:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0204101313.72708f3c@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.139.161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018473215 9118 127.0.0.1 (10 Apr 2002 21:13:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2002 21:13:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!easynews!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31612 "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:... > I am starting two hives (my first) and I want to know how close can the two > hives be to each other. I have them about 2 feet apart but the bees won't > be here until next week. It all depends on the space that you have available. you can run your hives at 2feet intervals and they will operate quite ok, but if you are a beginner then the added advantage of putting your hives some distance apart is when you come to manipulate them. if they are too close then if you have to go through your hives thoroughly then you can stir up the following hive before you have a chance to go through it. remember not everyone has those nice tempered hives that the "experts" always assure you that they have! i run 15 hives and all of them are at least 6 feet apart. this way it helps to avoid drifting and the passing over of disease. i have my hives on 5 foot long stands this allows me to move them along from one end to the other if i have any special needs in the manipulating them (queen finding is one of them) albert Article 31613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Organic UK Honey Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:48:38 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1089.diglett.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1018475863 24397 217.135.113.65 (10 Apr 2002 21:57:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2002 21:57:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31613 I have a customer interested in organic UK honey (!). Anyone able to supply? Peter Edwards Article 31614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee swarm question Date: 10 Apr 2002 15:33:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 59 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0204101433.493e0ff2@posting.google.com> References: <37411287.0204091211.29a3329d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018478004 12015 127.0.0.1 (10 Apr 2002 22:33:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2002 22:33:24 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31614 Welcome to the world of beekeeping. My guess is that they put up a good winter store, didn't use much, are now adding to it, and crowding themselves out of the hive. The bee "beard" is sometimes a result of crowding, but can also happen during hot weather when the bees decide it's nicer to stay out on the porch for the evening. If they swarmed, the old queen always goes, and possibly some of the virgin queens also. Assuming the weather is nice, one of the virgins should get mated and return to the hive and eventually start laying more eggs. Since the upper deep is mostly full of honey, they will soon be overcrowded in the brood area again. I would suggest you extract much of the honey in the upper deep box and return the empty comb. Once the queen gets going, they will need most of the space in two deep boxes for the brood. You might also consider getting another super (or two). If you have a big honey flow they can fill a super quite fast and without more space they then start plugging up the brood area with honey. (That's what I let them do in the late summer/ fall.) One thing to keep in mind is that the bees always work as hard as they can. They don't take it easy just because they've got their quota of honey stored away. Nuc. audrey.ishizaki@sun.com (audrey) wrote in message news:<37411287.0204091211.29a3329d@posting.google.com>... > i am fairly new to beekeeping - my son's birdhouse inadvertantly captured > a swarm two years ago. Some beekeeper friends transferred them to a real > beehive for me and they have been living in my suburban backyard ever since. > They have done all right with my minimal beekeeping skills. Beginner's > luck, I guess. > > I live in the San Francisco Bay Area - very mild winters. I overwintered > the bees in two stacked hive bodies. Two days ago, I noticed a "beard" > of bees below the hive entrance. I quick got into my bee things and checked > out the top hive body. It was full of honey - very little brood (less than > when I checked 3 weeks ago). There was an opened queen cell, too. The > top hive body was too heavy for me to lift, so I didn't see what the bottom > hive body looked like. I added a queen excluder and a single (short) super, > which is all I've got. > > Later that day, it seemed that several thousand bees were gathered on the > front of the hive. At 6am the next morning, it still seemed that 2/3 were > still on the hive front. By 11:30am that morning, there were only maybe > a hundred or two left as a "beard" below the opening, again. Today, only > the normal comings/goings of the bees. > > I haven't had a chance to look inside the hive to see if they swarmed, but > I assume they did. I won't be too upset if they did - there's enough time > for them to build up for the fall (I'm not in the honey business - I just > take the extra for personal use). > > My question would be - did the new queen leave or the old queen? The books > I've read usually say that the old queen swarms. Two beekeeper friends > think the new queen left. What say you? > > thanks, > > audrey Article 31615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frame feeder? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:44:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.133.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018478686 207.179.133.12 (Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:44:46 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:44:46 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31615 I am looking to make a frame feeder; Does anyone have url where this might be discribed or pictured? -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic UK Honey Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:47:36 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 1018478855 80.1.219.139 (Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:47:35 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:47:35 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-han1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!news2.euro.net!194.168.222.15.MISMATCH!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31616 On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:48:38 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >I have a customer interested in organic UK honey (!). > No honey can be guaranteed organic. It's impossible to know where every bee has collected its pollen and/or nectar from. But, all the same, you should try here - http://www.soilassociation.org/SA/directory.nsf/ You can find a source for *anything* organic in UK. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Use jaf @ ntlworld while jaf.co.uk is broken. What an inconvenience. Article 31617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Andromeda Bees Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:14:14 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <20020409163238.07451.00002759@mb-cc.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-680.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1018466114 12353 62.25.166.168 (10 Apr 2002 19:15:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2002 19:15:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!64.245.249.51.MISMATCH!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31617 Well said! They are probably Andrena and, as you say, will have completed their life cycle in a few weeks. The little mounds will disappear and we will not see them again until the new bees emerge next spring. They are excellent pollinators - we have them in our garden (sandy soil) and they pollinate gooseberries and plum. They are fascinating to watch and cannot sting humans. To learn more, try reading 'Bees of the World' by Chris O'Toole and Anthony Raw. Peter Edwards "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020409163238.07451.00002759@mb-cc.aol.com... > Why would you want to get rid of one of natures better pollinators. > These little solitary bees are gentle and hard working. Most are better workers > than honeybees working in weather colder and wetter than a honeybee would. > Give them a few weeks and most likely they will complete their life cycle and > be gone until next year. > > > > > > Article 31618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: crle@sovereign.net (CE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Question Date: 11 Apr 2002 05:47:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.121.54.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018529243 4437 127.0.0.1 (11 Apr 2002 12:47:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Apr 2002 12:47:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31618 My hive is setup with the following components: Stand Bottom board Brood chamber Hivetop feeder Inner cover Copper garden cover Yesterday evening I decided to check to see if the bees needed more sugar water in the hivetop feeder. Since it is a newly hived package I didn't use any smoke. I removed the garden cover. Then I went to remove the inner cover and notice a cluster about the size of a non-organic grapfruit hanging on the underside of the innercover, in the open space that the hivetop feeder creates as it gets empty. Since the feeder needed refilling, it was a good thing my wife was there to help since my hands quite full. Is this normal for bees to cluster in different groups within the hive? Or could the queen have been in that cluster? Had I been alone, could I have brushed the bees off onto the front of the hive? Would smoke have dispersed the cluster? Thanks, Charles Article 31619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Apr 2002 13:48:43 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Newbie Question Message-ID: <20020411094843.15236.00003211@mb-fy.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31619 A clump of bees hanging off the lid is no big deal. Slowly lowering it would give them time to scurry out of the way. Try to have a lit smoker handy when you approach your hive. You need far less smoke than you would think but give it a minute or two before proceeding. I frequently fill feeders without a puff of smoke but the smoker is in my hand. Do not let your feeder become empty a bee needs a belly full for 24 hours to make wax and your package will decline over time before the newly laid eggs become bees. They will take warm syrup up a lot quicker than cold. Article 31620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Date: 11 Apr 2002 15:59:10 GMT Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.47 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31620 On 11 Apr 2002 05:47:23 -0700, crle@sovereign.net (CE) wrote: >My hive is setup with the following components: > >Stand >Bottom board >Brood chamber >Hivetop feeder >Inner cover >Copper garden cover > >Yesterday evening I decided to check to see if the bees needed more >sugar water in the hivetop feeder. Since it is a newly hived package >I didn't use any smoke. I removed the garden cover. Then I went to >remove the inner cover and notice a cluster about the size of a >non-organic grapfruit hanging on the underside of the innercover, in >the open space that the hivetop feeder creates as it gets empty. >Since the feeder needed refilling, it was a good thing my wife was >there to help since my hands quite full. > >Is this normal for bees to cluster in different groups within the >hive? Or could the queen have been in that cluster? Had I been >alone, could I have brushed the bees off onto the front of the hive? >Would smoke have dispersed the cluster? > >Thanks, >Charles I normally put a piece of hardware cloth (8x8 wire) over the inner cover hole and put the hivetop feeder (bucket or jar) over that. That way there isn't a lot of extra space above the cluster so they keep warmer and tend not to build extra bur comb above the bars. (I've had swarms build the nicest looking comb up from the top bars fusing the feeder to the bars). Added advantage is that I can quickly refill the feed without disturbing the bees, even after dark which is sometimes good when you have a real job that could keep you away during the day occasionally. -Tim Article 31621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: USA, Mid-Atlantic Region: Hives for sale Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:35:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.40.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1018546508 68.65.40.56 (Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:35:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:35:08 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31621 I know someone who has been waiting for this opportunity. How can he contact you? Scott Mattes Bees@TheMattesFamily.ws "Adam Finkelstein" wrote in message news:a8rq78$jb$1@panix2.panix.com... > Hello. > I know an aging beekeeper that is looking to sell some of his operation. > He has strong deep/medium hives with good woodenware, inner-cover, and > telescoping top. These colonies are pre-swarm and ready to roll. Treated with > Apistan, Fall 2001. > > I've looked through a third of them and most are very nice. > He's asking $85.00 per hive. Augusta county Virginia. > Email me if you're interested. > Thanks, > Adam > > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@panix.com Article 31622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Airtel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sterilizing Frames Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:04:54 +0200 Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.133 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.133 Message-ID: <3cb5d048@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1018548296 212.73.49.133 (11 Apr 2002 20:04:56 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31622 I have several hundred of frames that I would like to vapor -terilize. I am thinking of a 55 galon drum, and wire-cages to drop in the drum while boiling, could some one point to a drawing of the cages, and a setup for that purpose. I notice that some equipment companies manufacture such apparatus, but I would like to make it myself.... Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain. Article 31623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: 11 Apr 2002 12:02:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0204111102.33bf7e86@posting.google.com> References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> <504d7af0.0204081756.34bbf193@posting.google.com> <504d7af0.0204091627.10b7c623@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.133.48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018551731 18392 127.0.0.1 (11 Apr 2002 19:02:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Apr 2002 19:02:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31623 beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) wrote in message news:<504d7af0.0204091627.10b7c623@posting.google.com>... > tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... > > On 8 Apr 2002 18:56:13 -0700, beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) > > wrote: > > > > >"Michael Puffer" wrote in message news:<75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net>... > > >> I read somewhere about using screened bottom boards to control varroa motes. > > >> Does anyone have plans for screened bottom baord or know where I could get > > >> them suppossedly the varroa mites fall through the screen and can;t find a > > >> host effectively ending the cycle.If you have any information coudl you > > >> please email me at mj.puffer@hoem.com or reply on this site. thanks > > >> > > >> mike > > > > > > > >> > > > Be carefull using those pullout trays. They may make it possible for > > the fallen mites to crawl back up if they don't have something the > > mite will stick to. A professor working on mite control stated at a > > recent meeting that mites can crawl back up 4 inches. > > > > -Tim > > I agree. As soon as it warms up the trays come out and the mites fall > to the ground. The real plus is the ventilation. > > Ray Morgan current thinking here in the UK is that 4 inches is a little big for varroa mites to climb up. where did the 4 inches come from? take care and stay lucky albert Article 31624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No Brod in hive? Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8jlt8.10606$Lh6.301316@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:17:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.233.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018552644 142.166.233.134 (Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:17:24 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:17:24 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31624 I openned my hive today. It is two full supers one on top the other. I took out every shelf, The top box had tons of honey, nearly every shelve full of honey some caped and some open. I saw the queen, she is big and fat, But there were nearly no eggs or caped brood. The lower super was emply completely, no honey, no eggs, no nothing, just empty shelves with built up cone. Is this a problem? My first thought was to put in a new queen.... My second thought was that maybe she had no where to lay, as the super was filled with honey.... I move the bottom super to the top and put the top one on the bottom. The other thing is that they havn't touched a drop of sugar water this spring, I wand them to take their meds. Maybe I should remove some of the honey filled shelves.... Any ideas? -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Andromeda Bees Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:14:56 +0100 Lines: 1 Message-ID: References: <20020409163238.07451.00002759@mb-cc.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-30.aeglos.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1018563136 19959 62.136.97.30 (11 Apr 2002 22:12:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Apr 2002 22:12:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31625 Are these Andromeda Bees one and the same as the Tawny Mining bee? Article 31626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No Brod in hive? Date: 11 Apr 2002 19:52:56 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <8jlt8.10606$Lh6.301316@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1018569132 25749 166.84.1.1 (11 Apr 2002 23:52:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31626 In article <8jlt8.10606$Lh6.301316@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, Ken Bullock wrote: >I openned my hive today. It is two full supers one on top the other. I took >out every shelf, The top box had tons of honey, nearly every shelve full of >honey some caped and some open. Shelves=frames. Beekeeping lexicon. How large a population of workers do you have in this colony? Sounds like there aren't enough bees to support the rearing of brood. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Fritz and Joyce Ludwig" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame feeder? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:33:35 -0400 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust26.tnt2.anderson.sc.da.uu.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1018568018 30449 67.216.15.26 (11 Apr 2002 23:33:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:33:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31627 Try Walter T. Kelley Company. Catalog # 158 - $3.00 each for plastic "division board" feeders. Fritz "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:yf3t8.10425$Lh6.273184@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > I am looking to make a frame feeder; Does anyone have url where this might > be discribed or pictured? > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > Article 31628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8jlt8.10606$Lh6.301316@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: No Brod in hive? Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:02:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.250.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018569770 142.166.250.6 (Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:02:50 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:02:50 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31628 There seems to be a lot, but I don't know as I have no experiance with bees. Every frame in the top super was covered with bees, but there were almost non in the other super. They were out flying as well because it was 11 degrees C today. I hope that is not the case as I have two queens coming in a week to do a split. -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Adam Finkelstein" wrote in message news:a957ko$qcj$1@panix1.panix.com... > In article <8jlt8.10606$Lh6.301316@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, > Ken Bullock wrote: > > >I openned my hive today. It is two full supers one on top the other. I took > >out every shelf, The top box had tons of honey, nearly every shelve full of > >honey some caped and some open. > > Shelves=frames. Beekeeping lexicon. > How large a population of workers do you have in this colony? > Sounds like there aren't enough bees to support the rearing of brood. > Adam > > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@panix.com Article 31629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Frame feeder? Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:04:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.250.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018569845 142.166.250.6 (Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:04:05 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:04:05 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31629 I will search for that company on the web and hopefully they are on line. Thanks.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Fritz and Joyce Ludwig" wrote in message news:a956gh$tnh$1@news.chatlink.com... > Try Walter T. Kelley Company. Catalog # 158 - $3.00 each for plastic > "division board" feeders. > > Fritz > > "Ken Bullock" wrote in message > news:yf3t8.10425$Lh6.273184@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > I am looking to make a frame feeder; Does anyone have url where this might > > be discribed or pictured? > > > > -- > > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8jlt8.10606$Lh6.301316@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: No Brod in hive? Lines: 59 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:24:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1018571078 24.31.219.77 (Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:24:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:24:38 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31630 "Ken Bullock" wrote > I openned my hive today. It is two full supers one on top the other. I took > out every shelf, The top box had tons of honey, nearly every shelve full of > honey some caped and some open. > > I saw the queen, she is big and fat, But there were nearly no eggs or caped > brood. The lower super was emply completely, no honey, no eggs, no nothing, > just empty shelves with built up cone. (Your "shelves" are called frames. And "cones" are for ice cream; combs are for honey.) I have seen several such hives in the last few days, with little or no brood. In some of them the old queen just petered out, and I give them a queen cell. It's not a good idea to give them a queen, because acceptance is likely to be poor without sealed brood and young bees. The queen you saw, if she was quite fat, may well be a newly mated queen that has resulted from supersedure, but has not gotten to laying yet. Did you see used queen cells? In a few other hives, they had swarmed. If you saw several used queen cells, and very few workers, this is probably the case. Most likely your queen will get to laying soon, and all will be OK. I'd be sure to check them in a week or so. When I come accross a hive that has swarmed I always give them a frame of brood with some eggs in it (from another hive). This way, if the virgin queen is eaten by a bird or dragonfly while on her mating flight, the bees have another opportunity to raise a queen. And the rest of the brood will help them get going sooner. > > Is this a problem? My first thought was to put in a new queen.... My second > thought was that maybe she had no where to lay, as the super was filled with > honey.... > > I move the bottom super to the top and put the top one on the bottom. The > other thing is that they havn't touched a drop of sugar water this spring, I > wand them to take their meds. Maybe I should remove some of the honey filled > shelves.... > > Any ideas? Yes, you should NEVER medicate during a honey flow. That should be done well in advance of the flow, or wait until it is over. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hgredhb@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pop sensation, Naked FLAME - Free D/load! - for limited time only! 7465 Lines: 18 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:07:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.137.227.217 X-Complaints-To: news@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1018584471 144.137.227.217 (Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:07:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:07:51 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.net.au) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.61.6!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31631 Pop sensation, Naked FLAME - Free D/load! - for limited time only! 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I thought it might help answer some questions. Everyone is welcome to take a look. It's only our second year, but we're having a blast. Enjoy! Article 31634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: forgot to put the address, duh! Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:16:28 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <19109-3CB6F946-240@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31634 very nice site how many hives do you have "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:19109-3CB6F946-240@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net... > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rad0" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beginner// hive wood finishing, yes/no?? Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:57:01 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.ac.8a X-Server-Date: 13 Apr 2002 01:59:56 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31635 Hello, I have a fancy schmancy observation hive coming, it's made out of wood, and I want to put it outside on a balcony. Is it safe to finish the wood? I wanted to use a tung oil finish with a clear coat of acrylic. Is this going to kill the bees? Or drive them away? New to the entire process, any info appreciated. Thanks Article 31636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: beginner// hive wood finishing, yes/no?? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <2qMt8.12604$Lh6.348251@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:07:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.133.84 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018663678 207.179.133.84 (Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:07:58 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:07:58 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31636 I have always been told only to use latex paint. I think that the oils and chemicals would be bad for the bees. -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "rad0" wrote in message news:a983es$h0k$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net... > Hello, > > I have a fancy schmancy observation hive coming, it's made > out of wood, and I want to put it outside on a balcony. > > Is it safe to finish the wood? I wanted to use a tung oil finish with > a clear coat of acrylic. > > Is this going to kill the bees? Or drive them away? > > New to the entire process, any info appreciated. > > Thanks > > Article 31637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CB72703.CB775343@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? References: <3CA4FB66.1FC3908E@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:10:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1018678231 67.251.117.70 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:10:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:10:31 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!9e9cc8a6!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31637 Peter Edwards wrote: > > Better to help educate them! Seriously, I do not see why we should have to > translate everything into American terminology; I am sure that they can cope > with proper English - and if they have difficulty then they can look it up. > > Canola is a particular type of rape so, whilst I know that what we have is > rape, I cannot be sure that it is canola. > > Peter > Our bees here in western North Carolina, USA, are more active than I've ever seen them this time of year. Since I lost a hive this winter, I hope that I do get at least one good swarm to replace the hive I lost. BTW, I keep my Oxford dictionary handy in case I don't quite catch on to a phrase, etc. Also, I have a pen pal in Barnsley, South Yorkshire, who is always introducing me to phrases that I am not familiar with and I watch a lot of British programs. Broadening one's 'English' is always beneficial. Louise -- | The poetry of heroism appeals irresistibly to Louise Adderholdt | those who don't go to a war, and even more so louise.adderholdt@gte.net | to those whom the war is making enormously | wealthy. --Celine Article 31638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CB728CA.3DDF83EC@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: clover and locust References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:10:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1018678232 67.251.117.70 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:10:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:10:32 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!9e9cc8a6!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31638 Scott Jarrell wrote: > > So I'm new to the beekeeping hobby. So new I haven't started yet but I am > very interested. In preparation I have planted an apple tree and a peach > tree. I have also been sowing clover, thinking it would be good for the > bees. Then a co-worker of mine who used to keep bees long ago, said they > only like a certain kind. I planted everyday ordinary red clover, I thought > the only difference was the color. Is this true, if so when I reseed next > year what should I use. Also there has been talk of what kinds of wood to > use in super construction. How about locust? It has good rot resistance and > is toxic to some bugs, but maybe bees too. Thanks > > Scott Scott, I live in western North Carolina and I set out numerous black locust trees this past winter for my bees to make honey from in the future. Maybe someday the trees will be right for harvesting for fence posts, etc. I don't know about using the wood to build supers. Locust is very long lasting. I also have many sourwood trees sprouting up in an area that the state cleared for highway construction 8 years ago. Last year, I planted several consecutive plantings of buckwheat for my bees to feed on. It's a fascinating hobby; good luck and I hope that you enjoy your new adventure! Louise -- | The poetry of heroism appeals irresistibly to Louise Adderholdt | those who don't go to a war, and even more so louise.adderholdt@gte.net | to those whom the war is making enormously | wealthy. --Celine Article 31639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CB72BCC.E1A9CDA1@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:10:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1018678233 67.251.117.70 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:10:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:10:33 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!9e9cc8a6!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31639 Patrick Dugan wrote: > > Thank you! I appreciate all the input! > The best spacing reason I've heard so far is to have enough room to get a > lawn mower between them. > > ...I just hope they don't mind that.... > Just don't aim the grass chute toward the entrance to the hive; they hate that! I mow right in front of my bees (when necessary) and send the clippings away from the hives. Also, I go by very fast. Louise -- | The poetry of heroism appeals irresistibly to Louise Adderholdt | those who don't go to a war, and even more so louise.adderholdt@gte.net | to those whom the war is making enormously | wealthy. --Celine Article 31640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "yossarian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Early swarm in Southen NJ Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.65.208.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister1.starband.net 1018700295 148.65.208.118 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:17:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:17:53 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:17:55 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister1.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31640 One of my hives swarmed last week, and I successfully captured them and put them in a new hive last week. This is the earliest one for me, I've been keeping bees for about 15 years, must have been the extremely warm winter we had in these parts this year. Anyone else have a similar experience this year in the mid-Atlantic region? John Article 31641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "yossarian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question about bee forage Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.65.208.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister1.starband.net 1018700397 148.65.208.118 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:19:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:19:35 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:19:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister1.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31641 Anyone know of a good bee forage crop that the deer won't eat? I've got a back field that I would like to plant in something for the bees, but we have a bad deer problem in my area so clover is out of the question. Any suggestions? Article 31642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Apr 2002 13:26:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beginner// hive wood finishing, yes/no?? Message-ID: <20020413092653.19022.00003865@mb-fm.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!64.12.151.231!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31642 Tung oil is kind of smelly might not be something the bees will tolerate. I doubt you will need much UV protection as an observation hive in full sun will perish. Were it mine I would use a thinned down coat or two of poly. Dry everything for a few days. A hot car interior would cook off most volatiles for you. Article 31643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Package. No Eggz. Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:25:02 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.5c.10 X-Server-Date: 13 Apr 2002 16:15:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!NewsWatcher!user Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31643 Greetings, all... We just put in a new package of bees a couple of weeks ago, putting in some drawn foundation for them, and some not drawn. We've been feeding 1:1 sugar water since hiving the swarm. Checked on the colony today... found lots of cells, both from the old (drawn) foundation and from newly drawn foundation, filled with what I imagine is sugar-water or nectar, fair amount of pollen also, but not an egg to be seen... the queen looks healthy at a glance... How long should it take for her to stat laying, if there is plenty of drawn comb? It seems like she might not have room for eggs since so many cells are filled with sugar-water/nectar/pollen. The queen in our other, older hive, right next to this one, is laying like crazy. I suspect I should just wait a while for the newly hived queen to start laying, but... idaknow... Any advice? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:26:38 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.5c.10 X-Server-Date: 13 Apr 2002 16:16:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!ord-feed.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!NewsWatcher!user Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31644 In article , tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote: > > I normally put a piece of hardware cloth (8x8 wire) over the inner > cover hole and put the hivetop feeder (bucket or jar) over that. That > way there isn't a lot of extra space above the cluster so they keep > warmer and tend not to build extra bur comb above the bars. (I've had > swarms build the nicest looking comb up from the top bars fusing the > feeder to the bars). Added advantage is that I can quickly refill the > feed without disturbing the bees, even after dark which is sometimes > good when you have a real job that could keep you away during the day > occasionally. Why not just put the feeder just outside the entrance to the hive? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Package. No Eggz. Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:29:44 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3cb86aa3.585392847@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31645 Give her at least another week. beekeep On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:25:02 -0600, NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >Greetings, all... > >We just put in a new package of bees a couple of weeks ago, putting in >some drawn foundation for them, and some not drawn. We've been feeding >1:1 sugar water since hiving the swarm. > >Checked on the colony today... found lots of cells, both from the old >(drawn) foundation and from newly drawn foundation, filled with what I >imagine is sugar-water or nectar, fair amount of pollen also, but not an >egg to be seen... the queen looks healthy at a glance... > >How long should it take for her to stat laying, if there is plenty of >drawn comb? It seems like she might not have room for eggs since so many >cells are filled with sugar-water/nectar/pollen. > >The queen in our other, older hive, right next to this one, is laying like >crazy. > >I suspect I should just wait a while for the newly hived queen to start >laying, but... idaknow... > >Any advice? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxitac Acid? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:56:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.148.161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018720588 207.179.148.161 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:56:28 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:56:28 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31646 When using a vaporizor what is the mix of oxilac acid and water? I assume what one does is boil the mixture of water and acid using a blow torch and pump the vapor into the hive using a air pump. Can you use a larger pot and keep the mixer boiling and move from one hive to the other? I undersand that it is three minutes per hive. -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ca9c306$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Feeding Newbies? Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:40:09 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:50:50 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31647 Feeding at 3:1 the bees will take up the sugar, and then crystallize it and drop it at the front of the hives- it's mentioned also in Roots' "ABC/XYZ's of Beekeeping". And yes it require some time on the stove to get it to dissolve- to much work if you have alot of colonies, fun for the family if you have one or three. Have Fun! Britt Columbia SC "Timothy C. Eisele" wrote in message news:3ca9c306$1@mtunews.mtu.edu... > Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: > > Greetings, all... > > > Also, just out of curiosity... if 2:1 is good, are there reasons NOT to > > make it even stronger, say, 3:1? > > Well, the practical reason is that it is hard to get all the sugar > dissolved at 3:1, and it will tend to crystallize on cooling. > > Also, the bees need a certain amount of water to eat the sugar > themselves (I understand that they actually have to dilute honey > to eat it), so since spring syrup is for them to eat right away, > not to store for later, you might as well have the water in the syrup so > they don't have to fly outside in the cold to get it. > > -- > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu Article 31648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Randy Reed Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxitac Acid? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: news4.uncensored-news.com Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. Lines: 23 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com Send only the header of the offending post, DO NOT attach any file. X-Comment: NOTICE: Uncensored-News.Com does not condone, nor support, spam, illegal or copyrighted postings. X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 13 Apr 2002 21:47:40 +0100 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.frii.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news4.uncensored-news.com!news4.uncensored-news.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31648 Here's a link to a much easier, safer method. http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Formic/oxalictrans.htm Oxalic acid fumes are more dangerous than spray mist. Vaporizers are used primarily for formic acid applications. I suspect the person touting the use of a vaporizer sells them On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:56:28 GMT, "Ken Bullock" wrote: >When using a vaporizor what is the mix of oxilac acid and water? > >I assume what one does is boil the mixture of water and acid using a blow >torch and pump the vapor into the hive using a air pump. > >Can you use a larger pot and keep the mixer boiling and move from one hive >to the other? I undersand that it is three minutes per hive. ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> Article 31649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0204081223.2c3b0ace@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: How close can you place new hives? Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:36:25 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:47:06 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uchicago.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31649 > > The problem with placing hives too close together is that of drifting Bees. > Around 5% of Bees in a hive are not the original inhabitants of the > hive. > Just one verroa infected Bee visiting a hive can in fact spread the > infection to the new hive. So placing hives very close together can enhance > the spread of the verroa mite. > Feral Bee colonies will soon be wiped out due to Verroa infections and > so the long term view is that Beekeepers will see increased profits from > properly managed hives. > > All the best > > Dave Andrews > www.dargaville.net > Well I'd say the feral colonies are gone, the ones people find are escaped bees from beekeepers- they may or may not survive from year to year, here in South Carolina (Columbia area) the consensus is the scout bees for a swarm find a stump from a previous colony, smell the odor and uopn inspection declare it "ready for occupation" and another colony moves in... it takes careful observation to determine if the tree is actually continually occupied. In the life-span of an insect missing your observation for a day can mean the swarming of a hive or the occupation of a newly-deserted tree hive. Kinda far off the subject of drifting, huh? On that subject I paint mine different colors (lavenders and yellow, pinks) to encourage them to see them as radically different in UV-sensitive "bee vision" - they seem to do fine being inches apart, though I'll add one colony (always the east or north depending on hive orientations) ends up with more bees by the end of the summer. Britt Columbia SC Article 31650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:48:49 -0500 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1018734530 1695405 216.167.138.159 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.159!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31650 Just curious, but if you're in the northern hemisphere, why are you feeding the bees sugar water it being the middle of April. Aren't 'things' blooming around you now? Also, what is the size of a non-organic grapefruit? C.K. Article 31651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:52:24 +0100 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> <504d7af0.0204081756.34bbf193@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-694.munger.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1018731669 32173 62.25.178.182 (13 Apr 2002 21:01:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2002 21:01:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31651 The fat ones (I've seen them near the size of > a lady bug, and no I don't mean African hive beetles) I think these are not varroa - unless you have a new species! Article 31652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ground Bees Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:54:05 +0100 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <7v%t8.71977$VM5.30997997@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-694.munger.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1018731671 32173 62.25.178.182 (13 Apr 2002 21:01:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2002 21:01:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31652 > If any one might be able to tell me (I've not even ventured a Google > search) do the larvae eat plant matter, and if so dead or alive? They eat the pollen which the females supply when building the nest. Perhaps your soil is not right for the dogwood - they like acid soil. Article 31653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about bee forage Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:58:29 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-694.munger.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1018731673 32173 62.25.178.182 (13 Apr 2002 21:01:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2002 21:01:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31653 A good fence? Take up eating venison more often? Let it go wild? Encourage brambles (blackberry)? "yossarian" wrote in message news:NnVt8.6019$e%2.2205185062@twister1.starband.net... > Anyone know of a good bee forage crop that the deer won't eat? I've got a > back field that I would like to plant in something for the bees, but we have > a bad deer problem in my area so clover is out of the question. Any > suggestions? > > Article 31654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:06:18 -0500 Lines: 51 Message-ID: <91ahbuocifb3eift9i17ohp6j2du66dvbg@4ax.com> References: <3CA4FB66.1FC3908E@dcnet2000.com> <3CB72703.CB775343@atlas.localdomain> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1018735579 1710338 216.167.138.159 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.159!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31654 > Broadening one's 'English' is always >beneficial. > >Louise Louise figure this 'english' out.. Wheer wor' ta bahn w'en Ah saw thee, On Ilkla Moor baht 'at? Wheer wor' ta bahn w'en Ah saw thee? Tha's bin a-courtin'. Mary Jane, On Ilkla Moor baht 'at Tha's bahn to get thi deeath o' cowd, On Ilkla Moor baht 'at. Then we shall ha' to bury thee, On Ilkla Moor baht 'at. Then t'wurms'll com an' ate thee up, On Ilkla Moor baht 'at. When t'een grows dim, an' fau'k draw nigh, Fra t'other sahde o' t'graave, It's laate ti square up au'd accoonts, A gannin' sowl ti save, Then t'ducks'll come an ate up t'wurms, On Ilkla Moor baht 'at. Then we shall go and' ate up t'ducks, On Ilka Moor baht 'at. Then we shall all 'ave etten thee, On Ilkla Moor baht 'at. An' you can gobble oop t'ducks An' so get back yor awn; An' appen they will pizen ye, An' then yo'll keep me company On Ilkla Moor baht 'at. That's wheer we get us oahn back, On Ilkla Moor baht 'at. C.K. Article 31655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Oxitac Acid? Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <4d3u8.14532$Lh6.375600@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:31:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.148.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018740672 207.179.148.39 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:31:12 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:31:12 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31655 Thank-you for the heads up, Peter. I just read the report and will go that way. I find bee keeping is confusing, there are as many ways of doing something as there are people doing it. But, I do like this idea better.... Ken....... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Randy Reed" wrote in message news:m36hbu8tfdksp7flbb6hmnt7pk3ghrill9@4ax.com... > Here's a link to a much easier, safer method. > http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Formic/oxalictrans.htm > > Oxalic acid fumes are more dangerous than spray mist. Vaporizers are > used primarily for formic acid applications. I suspect the person > touting the use of a vaporizer sells them > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:56:28 GMT, "Ken Bullock" > wrote: > > >When using a vaporizor what is the mix of oxilac acid and water? > > > >I assume what one does is boil the mixture of water and acid using a blow > >torch and pump the vapor into the hive using a air pump. > > > >Can you use a larger pot and keep the mixer boiling and move from one hive > >to the other? I undersand that it is three minutes per hive. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com > <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> > Article 31657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Apr 2002 03:11:04 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Ground Bees Message-ID: <20020413231104.07457.00003286@mb-cc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31657 Dogwoods all up and down the Eastern USA have been going through something called "Dogwood Decline" Article 31658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com> Subject: Pollen baskets Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:19:08 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:29:47 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeeds-atl2!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31658 The bees store the pollen on special hairs on their legs (not pouches), and upon returning to the hive take the pollen up in the combs and store it. Bees seem to go for stable pollen (sorted and stored) rather than eaten "off the legs". When a bee forages for nectar and returns to the hive, she is relieved of it shortly after landing and either returns to her forage or does some dancing to recruit other bees- she does not go into the hive to "store" it, just offload. . "lucien winslow" wrote in message news:3CB0B580.210ADD09@erols.com... > i saw bright orange something on the legs of a bee. also different > color growth on another, what is this also have a hive loaded with bees, > so i spilt it twice and added to queens, is that cool > Article 31659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> <504d7af0.0204081756.34bbf193@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:14:23 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:25:03 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31659 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:a9a6al$vdd$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > The fat ones (I've seen them near the size of > > a lady bug, and no I don't mean African hive beetles) > > I think these are not varroa - unless you have a new species! > Ok so that might be a bit of stretch- but they are sure big! And colorful! Britt Article 31660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: beginner// hive wood finishing, yes/no?? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:09:11 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:19:52 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!lore.csc.com!nntp.abs.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeeds-atl2!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31660 Our club has been that has been sealed and stained with marine-quality polyurethane, after a thorough washing and a few weeks to sure out it has been in use for years, with no wear/chewing- do just the outside, I'd say the bees are gonna wax it up as the walk around (bored!)... Have fun and show 'em off! Britt "rad0" wrote in message news:a983es$h0k$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net... > Hello, > > I have a fancy schmancy observation hive coming, it's made > out of wood, and I want to put it outside on a balcony. > > Is it safe to finish the wood? I wanted to use a tung oil finish with > a clear coat of acrylic. > > Is this going to kill the bees? Or drive them away? > > New to the entire process, any info appreciated. > > Thanks > > Article 31661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Newbie Question Lines: 75 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:10:43 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:21:24 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31661 > Yesterday evening I decided to check to see if the bees needed more > sugar water in the hivetop feeder. Since it is a newly hived package > I didn't use any smoke. ***> you can use smoke, its only drawback is the queen tends to run to a bottom corner and hide, making it hard to find her when/if you are looking. When a package is new, it is best to wait a few days to make sure the queen has been freed from her cage and is out and about... if the hive had drawn comb in it, her presence could Be seen by eggs in the bottoms of cells- if you see eggs, she's there! > I removed the garden cover. Then I went to > remove the inner cover and notice a cluster about the size of a > non-organic grapfruit hanging on the underside of the innercover, in > the open space that the hivetop feeder creates as it gets empty. > Since the feeder needed refilling, it was a good thing my wife was > there to help since my hands quite full. ***> I may not understand your feeder layout- it is usual for the inner cover to sit directly on the brood box (which is still having its foundation drawn out into comb) and have an inverted pail (or glass jar, 1 quart -> 1 gallon in size) sitting directly over the hole to block the bees from moving up, which is normal for them. The bees will create buur comb (had they started?) when they get into the feed chamber, wasting valuable wax-drawing efforts on a useless comb. They MUST be kept in the brood chamber until ALL the frames are drawn out- if the in a few weeks you see things building up and decide to put your first (feed, not surplus) super on it, the bees will NOT draw out ONE MORE BIT OF COMB in the brood chamber... you must allow them to be at the point of crowding with all foundation drawn before you introduce the next box, else the queens laying pattern will be irregular... I just got a hive from someone that had supered it before it was all drawn out, to remedy this I forced the hive back in to the bottom and took the super away (I sat it nearby to let them rob it and reclaim their honey) then closed up the box- only the brood chamber, bottom and top boards0 they are fixing the undrawn comb now... the hive was two years old and they hadn't drawn out all of the brood foundation, showing that they never will IF THERE IS SPACE TO MOVE UP. Point is, feed them so they can't move up! > > Is this normal for bees to cluster in different groups within the > hive? ***> No, not usually, but package bees are in a bit of stress- no cells to ripen nectar into honey, no cells to raise young in, no cells to store pollen in. They were taking advantage of the space to move up- that way they are away from the trash/dampness that is normal in the bottom of a tree, their real home. Or could the queen have been in that cluster? ***> Yes, and she may well have been. > Had I been alone, could I have brushed the bees off onto the front of the hive? ***> You could have, though it is best to shake them down into the brood box, then smoke them so they go between the frames and allow you to replace the inner cover (which is used for feeding only- remove the rest of the year unless you just wanted to store it under the top cover (garden cover you called it?). Anytime you don't know where your queen is, be very careful- you can seriously damage a hive by her loss, you can always order a new one, or they have to raise their own and lose a month of forage time whilke she matures, mates, and begins laying again, then three weeks to the first of HER young arrive- be careful. And for gosh sakes of you do find here then DON'T set that frame on the ground, she could crawl off or get smashed. > Would smoke have dispersed the cluster? ***> No, it would just dislodge a few (they will take flight) but the ball would remain and the bees would move around on the outside. Article 31662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Ground Bees Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <7v%t8.71977$VM5.30997997@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:17:23 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:28:04 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeeds-atl2!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31662 My own Andena "colony" gets bigger every year- it is at the base of a dting 45 year old pink dogwood in my front yard- this year the "colony" has at least 1000 holes... quite fascinating to watch close up (they don't harass or sting) and even child-proof. A toad was taking advantage of the boon of spring emergence, a mocking bord noticed and has run the toad off- now she watches ans waits eating the bees as they emerge or fly around looking for mates and their tunnel entrances. If any one might be able to tell me (I've not even ventured a Google search) do the larvae eat plant matter, and if so dead or alive? The dogwood has been declining, and this year I wondered if they were feasting on the dogwoods' relatively shallow root system- they are only in one area of the trees root system, and only part of the tree is dying- anyone know? Britt Columbia SC Article 31663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> <504d7af0.0204081756.34bbf193@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:28:40 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:39:21 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!64.245.249.51.MISMATCH!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31663 I believe the four inches is based on the amount of energy v. mite core body temperature... they "freeze" before they can make it much farther, especially in spring and fall. The fat ones (I've seen them near the size of a lady bug, and no I don't mean African hive beetles) can move around pretty quickly, they have a large store of lymphocyte (inscect intercelluar fluid/"blood") and can use it to get there and lay their eggs- they are gonna make it, just like a salmon going upsteam to lay her eggs- she'll die to make it. I was using a pollen trap in place of a screened bottom boards for years, I noticed those hives did better and made ME more honey. Glad to see they are in vogue now. I have some plans for a cone-shaped simple hive stand/debris trap I'm working on- time to change the way we do things radically to fight the mites & beetles- and in my opinion it will be more tree-cavity like in its side profile. These poor girls hate to walk through the stuff they won't take out the door, and we exect them to make us honey too? Britt Columbia SC Britt Columbia SC Article 31664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: clover and locust Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <5U%t8.72002$VM5.31099072@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:44:01 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:54:42 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!80.65.228.52.MISMATCH!deine.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31664 Yellow and White clovers are best for beekeeping, and old friend in West Virginia sows only white clover and it covers about 4 acres- the honey is unreal- it is difficult to get bees to stay ture to a plant, but his observation is they do for white clover! I remember honeybees as a child, and they were always on the white clover in are lawn- here in South Carolina the beekeepers have observed a decrease in white clover re-growth as the mites and beetles have killed the feral colonies- no-one to pollinate them as before? Britt Columbia SC "Scott Jarrell" wrote in message news:a8calf$gjd$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU... > So I'm new to the beekeeping hobby. So new I haven't started yet but I am > very interested. In preparation I have planted an apple tree and a peach > tree. I have also been sowing clover, thinking it would be good for the > bees. Then a co-worker of mine who used to keep bees long ago, said they > only like a certain kind. I planted everyday ordinary red clover, I thought > the only difference was the color. Is this true, if so when I reseed next > year what should I use. Also there has been talk of what kinds of wood to > use in super construction. How about locust? It has good rot resistance and > is toxic to some bugs, but maybe bees too. Thanks > > Scott > > Article 31665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stickum Under Varroa Screen? Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad24ce.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1018807517 22517 128.173.36.206 (14 Apr 2002 18:05:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31665 If one uses a bottom screen of 1/8 in hardward cloth with a slide out board below, what should one put on the board to stick the mites? It should not be something sweet as that will draw ants and who knows what else. It should be water soluble so one can clean the board. Article 31666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stickum Under Varroa Screen? Date: 14 Apr 2002 15:51:41 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0204141451.d8b8ba@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.185.50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018824701 16342 127.0.0.1 (14 Apr 2002 22:51:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2002 22:51:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31666 jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote in message news:... > If one uses a bottom screen of 1/8 in hardward cloth with a slide out board > below, what should one put on the board to stick the mites? It should not be > something sweet as that will draw ants and who knows what else. It should be > water soluble so one can clean the board. Try vaseline thats what we use in the uk Article 31667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stickum Under Varroa Screen? Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:57:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3cba092f.691480257@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31667 On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC), jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: >If one uses a bottom screen of 1/8 in hardward cloth with a slide out board >below, what should one put on the board to stick the mites? It should not be >something sweet as that will draw ants and who knows what else. It should be >water soluble so one can clean the board. > Spray it with pam. beekeep Article 31668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lucien winslow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:06:54 -0500 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3CBA199D.D81CED11@erols.com> Reply-To: lwinslow@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb5RnVg1d9RRA99PHbh+Xe+Ftx3Nd45Y19C4eBfhYhVO8GZVTHhfLs4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 2002 23:10:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31668 I recieced 3 2ilb pack. this week, hived them up in a area where i have other hives,now tonight i see a small swarm in a cinder block, i hived it, did I hive a swarm or the queen on the maiden voyage, the book said only a few go with her so this was many more. was this from the package or the other hive. now i spilt one hive twice and put a queen in both, now i didn't take the cork out . I thought the bees would eat through it, so the queen stayed in the queen cage all week, now one hive started to super sede, took that frame out and put in abox by itself, the queen should live in that hive, right? Is there anything i missed What an exciting weekend!!!! Article 31669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lucien winslow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Early swarm in Southen NJ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:00:46 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3CBA263D.4A8833FA@erols.com> References: Reply-To: lwinslow@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbu4Bwhb3ftf6308LDaKLoMwUKtt04UrtiGkEk2GHZs6NWjplDXOwRk X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Apr 2002 00:03:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31669 I hived a swarm today in va. small one though yossarian wrote: > One of my hives swarmed last week, and I successfully captured them and put > them in a new hive last week. This is the earliest one for me, I've been > keeping bees for about 15 years, must have been the extremely warm winter we > had in these parts this year. Anyone else have a similar experience this > year in the mid-Atlantic region? > > John Article 31670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> From: Thom Reply-To: zzzone@hotmail.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:38:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.23.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1018831086 216.26.23.108 (Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:38:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:38:06 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!207.217.77.43.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31670 I have a few water features on my property which I'm sure my first year hives will flock to. In the past I used BT, to control mosquitos in the water. Does anyone know if this bacteria is harmful to bees? Article 31671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:49:31 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3cba315c.701766940@news1.radix.net> References: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31671 On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:38:06 GMT, Thom wrote: >I have a few water features on my property which I'm sure my first year >hives will flock to. In the past I used BT, to control mosquitos in the >water. Does anyone know if this bacteria is harmful to bees? I don't think so. They spray it around here for gypsy moths and it has never hurt my bees. beekeep Article 31672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:01:54 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> <504d7af0.0204081756.34bbf193@posting.google.com> <504d7af0.0204091627.10b7c623@posting.google.com> <4169b71c.0204111102.33bf7e86@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1018875717 2419538 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31672 They jump. 4" is to ensure they don't get back up into the hive (the smaller distances like 2" allowed them to do so. So, if you are using a monitoring tray/paper, make sure it is sticky to trap them on it, otherwise leave the bottom open to the ground or over at least a 4" gap. Karen "albert cannon" wrote in message > current thinking here in the UK is that 4 inches is a little big for > varroa mites to climb up. where did the 4 inches come from? > take care and stay lucky > albert Article 31673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Apr 2002 13:30:11 GMT References: <6Yvu8.17795$LN2.193215@NewsReader> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Message-ID: <20020415093011.15261.00003437@mb-fy.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14eed!worldnet.att.net!64.12.151.230!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31673 I use the BT biscuits in my water garden and the bees I have drink from it. Niether of us have suffered. Article 31674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: crle@sovereign.net (CE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question Date: 15 Apr 2002 07:12:14 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.121.54.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018879934 9863 127.0.0.1 (15 Apr 2002 14:12:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Apr 2002 14:12:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31674 I am in the northern hemisphere, Northern Ohio to be exact. Our spring bulbs (daffodils) have just started to expose their color. I was told to keep feeding the bees sugar water until they get most of the brood comb drawn. A non-organic grapefruit is about the size of a softball. CE Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:... > Just curious, but if you're in the northern hemisphere, why are you > feeding the bees sugar water it being the middle of April. Aren't > 'things' blooming around you now? > > Also, what is the size of a non-organic grapefruit? > > > C.K. Article 31675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stickum Under Varroa Screen? Date: 15 Apr 2002 14:33:36 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3cba092f.691480257@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.117 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31675 On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:57:17 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC), jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. >Long) wrote: > >>If one uses a bottom screen of 1/8 in hardward cloth with a slide out board >>below, what should one put on the board to stick the mites? It should not be >>something sweet as that will draw ants and who knows what else. It should be >>water soluble so one can clean the board. >> >Spray it with pam. > >beekeep > Alternately spray it with vegetable oil (same idea as pam) Pampered Chef makes a nice refillable presureized oil sprayer. Just get permission from the wife first. Mine keeps complaining every time I borrow her strainers, pots, breadpans, etc. for the bees :) -Tim Article 31676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Lines: 11 Organization: Technology Management Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <6Yvu8.17795$LN2.193215@NewsReader> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:04:42 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.251.170 X-Trace: NewsReader 1018858370 217.34.251.170 (Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:12:50 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:12:50 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!NewsPeer!Fusion!NewsReader.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31676 No - I have used it for wax moth and sprayed it over bees and larva Keith "Thom" wrote in message news:3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com... > I have a few water features on my property which I'm sure my first year > hives will flock to. In the past I used BT, to control mosquitos in the > water. Does anyone know if this bacteria is harmful to bees? > Article 31677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Stickum Under Varroa Screen? Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:58:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net 1018886290 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:58:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:58:10 EDT Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!chnws02.ne.ipsvc.net!cyclone.ne.ipsvc.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31677 "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:a9cgct$lvl$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > If one uses a bottom screen of 1/8 in hardward cloth with a slide out board > below, what should one put on the board to stick the mites? It should not be > something sweet as that will draw ants and who knows what else. It should be > water soluble so one can clean the board. Just a note re ants... they'll be drawn by all the "stuff" that collects under the screen since the bees can't get in there to clean it up. They won't need sweet things... the nice, protected space is enough for them. If anyone has ideas fpr how to get/keep ants out of the space under the screen, please post. I scrape them out once on a while, but it's not all that effective. Thanks, -Steve Article 31678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splitting? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <0LEu8.19689$Lh6.423612@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:13:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1018894396 142.166.239.78 (Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:13:16 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:13:16 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31678 I am spliting my hive next Monday. I have one now that will be split three ways. I will be adding two new queens. The question is do I add an empty super with frames and comb under the broad Super I am making up to give them room to grow, or do I add an emty super on top to give them room? Or maybe I should let them live in one super for a few weeks? There will only be 6 frames of bees in each of the new broad chambers, so they will have 4 empty frames with comb to work on anyhow. Maybe that will keep them busy for now? Our flow isn't until the begining of June and I am not too worried about honey this year at any rate. Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting? Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:28:58 -0400 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <0LEu8.19689$Lh6.423612@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1018895340 2826342 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31679 I did a quick search on the internet and found this link: http://members.tripod.com/4tupelohoney/Beekeeping/splitting_hives.htm I bet if you did a search on splitting hives or splitting bees you will find lots of info!! BTW while your splitting why not replace the old queen with a new one! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ > > The question is do I add an empty super with frames and comb under the broad > Super I am making up to give them room to grow, or do I add an emty super on > top to give them room? Or maybe I should let them live in one super for a > few weeks? > Article 31680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James L. Cook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Want to start beekeeping Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:21:17 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.bc.0b X-Server-Date: 15 Apr 2002 23:21:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31680 I got Bee Keeping for Dummies and have a renewed interest in trying to have bees. The book made it seem less demanding and painful (stings) than I would have thought. I do have some questions though. Can I keep bees just for the sake of having bees? I don't care about the honey, so would I just not collect the honey or would that hurt the hive? Is it easy to start bees with no outside help other than books and the internet? How much time is needed to care for a hive? I want this to be a hobby, not a chore. I think it is too late to order bees this year, but what starter packages/equipment would you suggest? Thanks for any help James Cook Article 31681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how many bees Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:29:52 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31681 roughly how many bees in a lb. received 6lbs today was told 12000 to the lb seems a lot Article 31682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CBBA06C.D6D36D77@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how many bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:54:20 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1018929345 204.2.54.223 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 03:55:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 03:55:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31682 4,000-6,000 depending on health or food intake, without pollen. JJ Bob Seaman wrote: > > roughly how many bees in a lb. received 6lbs today was told 12000 to the lb > seems a lot Article 31683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to start beekeeping Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:58:27 -0400 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1018958309 3078700 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31683 "James L. Cook" wrote in message news:a9fn9g$8cu$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > I got Bee Keeping for Dummies and have a renewed interest in trying to have > bees. The book made it seem less demanding and painful (stings) than I > would have thought. I do have some questions though. > > Can I keep bees just for the sake of having bees? I don't care about the > honey, so would I just not collect the honey or would that hurt the hive? > You would have some swarming issues if you didn't have a place for the honey. Of course if you were in an area where there is very little nectar you might not see much honey being brought in. I would expect there is though. If there is another beekeeper in the area maybe he could put the honey supers on and pull the honey for you... > Is it easy to start bees with no outside help other than books and the > internet? How much time is needed to care for a hive? I want this to be a > hobby, not a chore. You can do it on your own if you read, read, and read! Time to take care of ONE hive isn't that demanding... especially if you are not pulling honey... ONE hive is not a chore however, it does require attention "Medication" that requires things to happen in a timely fashion. > > I think it is too late to order bees this year, but what starter > packages/equipment would you suggest? > Don't know where you are... but if you aren't looking for honey... then it probably isn't to late... depending on where you live you will have to feed and feed to build up the comb at least for winter stores. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ Article 31684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring feedings Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:55:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CBC2D6E.20000@doesnt.work> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020314 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31684 OK, I'm brain-dead and can't remember... Is the spring feeding 2:1 or 1:1 (sugar:water)? Thanks! Taylor Article 31685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "yossarian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan strip stuck in hive Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <1cWu8.8339$uJ3.2867889245@twister2.starband.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.65.208.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister2.starband.net 1018965885 148.65.208.118 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:04:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:04:23 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:04:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister2.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31685 I have a very aggressive hive that has a strip in it from last year, down in the bottom box. The problem is that I can't get it out. If I put a super on now with this strip in there, will the honey be safe to eat, we are having a flow right now and if I use an Imirie shim it should minimize the bees in contact with this strip down in the bottom. Yes, I know this is not a good thing leaving the strip in over the winter, but I don't have a bee suit and I've tried to get the strip out, they are just too aggressive right now. Any suggestions would be appreciated, tia... Article 31686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "yossarian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CBC2D6E.20000@doesnt.work> Subject: Re: Spring feedings Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <7kWu8.8348$VQ3.2868361375@twister2.starband.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.65.208.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister2.starband.net 1018966403 148.65.208.118 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:13:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:13:01 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:13:01 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister2.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31686 I've been doing 1 to 1... Article 31687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan strip stuck in hive Date: 16 Apr 2002 10:38:10 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3cbc3752$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <1cWu8.8339$uJ3.2867889245@twister2.starband.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.38 X-Original-Trace: 16 Apr 2002 10:38:10 -0400, 141.219.66.38 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31687 yossarian wrote: > I have a very aggressive hive that has a strip in it from last year, down in > the bottom box. The problem is that I can't get it out. If I put a super on > now with this strip in there, will the honey be safe to eat, we are having a > flow right now and if I use an Imirie shim it should minimize the bees in > contact with this strip down in the bottom. Yes, I know this is not a good > thing leaving the strip in over the winter, but I don't have a bee suit and > I've tried to get the strip out, they are just too aggressive right now. Any > suggestions would be appreciated, tia... Just one point: you can manage without a $100+ bee suit and bee gloves. The "official" stuff is more comfortable if you're going to be working a lot of hives, but for just occasional use on single hives just get a pair of standard uninsulated coveralls from the local WalMart or nearest equivalent. They are only about $25/pair, and you can wear them for other dirty work aside from the bees. I've never gotten a sting through my coveralls, they seem to work fine, they're just too hot for daily use in the summer so I only use them for pretty major hive manipulations. As for gloves, a pair of rubber dishwashing gloves will keep them off well enough, especially if you tape up the cuffs. Just so long as you have a veil and a smoker, you should be all set then. Also, from everything I've ever been told, the bees should be *least* aggressive when there is a good flow on. They aren't going to get any better than they are now, so you might as well go after that strip without delay. So go ahead, suit up, steel yourself to get stung a few times, and get it over with, you'll feel better about it in the long run. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 31688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "yossarian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1cWu8.8339$uJ3.2867889245@twister2.starband.net> <3cbc3752$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Apistan strip stuck in hive Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <1CXu8.8059$2A2.2719262862@twister1.starband.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.65.208.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@starband.net X-Trace: twister1.starband.net 1018971645 148.65.208.118 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:40:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:40:23 EDT Organization: Starband Communications Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:40:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.starband.net!twister1.starband.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31688 Yeah, you're right Tim, I won't be happy until the things out of there. Had overalls on this morning when I checked all the hives, but they are threadbare , guess I'll have to spring for a new pair, lol... Article 31689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1cWu8.8339$uJ3.2867889245@twister2.starband.net> Subject: Re: Apistan strip stuck in hive Lines: 51 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:40:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net 1018968055 24.62.89.183 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:40:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:40:55 EDT Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.ne.ipsvc.net!cyclone.ne.ipsvc.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31689 "yossarian" wrote in message news:1cWu8.8339$uJ3.2867889245@twister2.starband.net... > I have a very aggressive hive that has a strip in it from last year, down in > the bottom box. The problem is that I can't get it out. If I put a super on > now with this strip in there, will the honey be safe to eat, No. And the frames in that super will be unfit for collecting human-consumable honey until you change the wax and start over. > we are having a > flow right now and if I use an Imirie shim it should minimize the bees in > contact with this strip down in the bottom. Yes, I know this is not a good > thing leaving the strip in over the winter If you leave the strip in (a very bad idea, honey or not) you must not super. > but I don't have a bee suit and > I've tried to get the strip out, they are just too aggressive right now. Any > suggestions would be appreciated, tia... Get any protection you can. Wear a jacket with gloves tucked under the sleeves, and tuck that into your pants if you can. Wear boots, or strap your pant bottoms to your ankles. I assume you have a veil... To get the strip, you can try: 1. Smoke them then wait 1-2 minutes to touch the hive. 2. Very gently and as slowly as you can, remove the top box. 3. Spray the bees with very light sugar syrup. 4. Get the strip 5. Put the boxes back together The key is to move slowly and smoothly... don't bump anything if you can help it. I don't have the Apistan label near me, but check it for minimum time from removal to super. Are these bees normally this defensive? If not, you should check why, either when you get the strip or soon after... are they queenless? Good luck, -Steve Article 31690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Apr 2002 16:45:25 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Apistan strip stuck in hive Message-ID: <20020416124525.13739.00004616@mb-da.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31690 OK the problem is in the bottom box? Set the top boxes on the original stand and haul the botttom box away. Most everybody that can fly will return to the original stand. Go through it and retrieve your strip. Return it to the stack. I work in white painters overalls and a t shirt. A sweat shirt for snotty hives. The bee suits are great for keeping propolis off your clothes but darned uncomfortable. Article 31691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AHB in N. California Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com 1018979533 ST000 63.197.142.62 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:52:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:52:13 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCAOPTMQSLXCRK@^QTDEB\@PD\MNPWZKB]MPXHZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:52:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31691 Does anyone know of an up to date site that tracks the whereabouts of the AHBs? (Particularly in California) Thanks Article 31692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bruce Watt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:57:53 -0400 Organization: UMCE Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3CBC5811.5348@umext.maine.edu> References: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> Reply-To: bwatt@umext.maine.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: bwatt.umext.maine.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: rupert.unet.maine.edu 1018975677 15360 130.111.117.57 (16 Apr 2002 16:47:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@rupert.unet.maine.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Apr 2002 16:47:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!newshost.Dartmouth.EDU!news-peer.unet.maine.edu!rupert.unet.maine.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31692 The B.t.used to control mosquitoes (B.t.israeliensis)affects only aquatic fly larvae (Diptera). The B.t. used to control the wax moth (B.t.kurstaki)controls only butterflies and moths (Lepidoptera) and the there is also a B.t. used to control beetles (B.t. San Diego). As far as I know, no commercial B.t. will affect hymenoptera. Bruce Thom wrote: > > I have a few water features on my property which I'm sure my first year > hives will flock to. In the past I used BT, to control mosquitos in the > water. Does anyone know if this bacteria is harmful to bees? Article 31693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting? Date: 16 Apr 2002 12:42:46 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0204161142.4c435853@posting.google.com> References: <0LEu8.19689$Lh6.423612@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1018986166 32247 127.0.0.1 (16 Apr 2002 19:42:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Apr 2002 19:42:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31693 With each split getting 6 combs, I'd put those in the center and put your 4 empties on the sides. Put a lid on top and leave them that way until you see them working the outer frames. Then put another deep on top. The queen normally wants to work upwards and will more readily take to a box above than a box below. She'll probably want 2 deep boxes for brood rearing so plan on adding honey supers above that, but only after they have nearly filled the second deep. Nuc. "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:<0LEu8.19689$Lh6.423612@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > I am spliting my hive next Monday. I have one now that will be split three > ways. I will be adding two new queens. > > The question is do I add an empty super with frames and comb under the broad > Super I am making up to give them room to grow, or do I add an emty super on > top to give them room? Or maybe I should let them live in one super for a > few weeks? > > There will only be 6 frames of bees in each of the new broad chambers, so > they will have 4 empty frames with comb to work on anyhow. Maybe that will > keep them busy for now? > > Our flow isn't until the begining of June and I am not too worried about > honey this year at any rate. Ken.... Article 31694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0LEu8.19689$Lh6.423612@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> <9936fa52.0204161142.4c435853@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Splitting? Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:45:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.133.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019000731 207.179.133.134 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:45:31 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:45:31 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31694 Thank-you that explains it well, Now I know what I must do, Thanks to you. -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Nuc Skep" wrote in message news:9936fa52.0204161142.4c435853@posting.google.com... > With each split getting 6 combs, I'd put those in the center and put > your 4 empties on the sides. Put a lid on top and leave them that way > until you see them working the outer frames. Then put another deep on > top. The queen normally wants to work upwards and will more readily > take to a box above than a box below. She'll probably want 2 deep > boxes for brood rearing so plan on adding honey supers above that, but > only after they have nearly filled the second deep. > > Nuc. > > "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:<0LEu8.19689$Lh6.423612@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > > I am spliting my hive next Monday. I have one now that will be split three > > ways. I will be adding two new queens. > > > > The question is do I add an empty super with frames and comb under the broad > > Super I am making up to give them room to grow, or do I add an emty super on > > top to give them room? Or maybe I should let them live in one super for a > > few weeks? > > > > There will only be 6 frames of bees in each of the new broad chambers, so > > they will have 4 empty frames with comb to work on anyhow. Maybe that will > > keep them busy for now? > > > > Our flow isn't until the begining of June and I am not too worried about > > honey this year at any rate. Ken.... Article 31695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:54:24 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.174 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31695 Try http://www.beesource.com/plans/ipmbottom.htm "Michael Puffer" wrote in message news:75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net... > I read somewhere about using screened bottom boards to control varroa motes. > Does anyone have plans for screened bottom baord or know where I could get > them suppossedly the varroa mites fall through the screen and can;t find a > host effectively ending the cycle.If you have any information coudl you > please email me at mj.puffer@hoem.com or reply on this site. thanks > > mike > > Article 31696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CBCD212.5EE4@hotmail.com> From: Thom Reply-To: zzzone@hotmail.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks for BT answers, one more question please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:38:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.23.140 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1019007525 216.26.23.140 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:38:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:38:45 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14eed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31696 I've got a problem with a hive. I just got two neuc hives two weeks ago. One hive is doing great, but the other hive will not eat. I thought it was queen death, but I spotted her "alone" on top of the inner cover yesterday. These bees are dying. I figured that I'd put them into my green house today hoping that a little heat will restore their spirits since it's been rainy and cold here in Oregon. There is no evidence of mites, and I even cut some of them up and looked under a microscope. I'm using 1 to 1 sugar and water in their feeder, and I even put some drops of honey on top of a few bars. It's like they are frozen and moving in real slow motion. Any ideas out there? Thanks again Thom Article 31697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thanks for BT answers, one more question please Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:15:23 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3CBCD212.5EE4@hotmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!news-x2.support.nl!deine.net!gitoyen!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31697 Take them back to the seller, they should not be dying like that, you may have been sold some sick bees. "Thom" wrote in message news:3CBCD212.5EE4@hotmail.com... > I've got a problem with a hive. I just got two neuc hives two weeks > ago. One hive is doing great, but the other hive will not eat. I > thought it was queen death, but I spotted her "alone" on top of the > inner cover yesterday. These bees are dying. I figured that I'd put > them into my green house today hoping that a little heat will restore > their spirits since it's been rainy and cold here in Oregon. There is > no evidence of mites, and I even cut some of them up and looked under a > microscope. I'm using 1 to 1 sugar and water in their feeder, and I > even put some drops of honey on top of a few bars. It's like they are > frozen and moving in real slow motion. Any ideas out there? > Thanks again > Thom Article 31698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hillel@optibase.com (Hillel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for a bee keeper in Silicon Valley Date: 16 Apr 2002 19:10:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 56 Message-ID: <50e4a592.0204161810.3ebbc408@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.158.202.228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019009439 10402 127.0.0.1 (17 Apr 2002 02:10:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Apr 2002 02:10:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31698 The short form: A Silicon Valley, South Bay resident, with two bee hives in his back yard, is looking for a local bee keeper to take care of the bees in return to sharing the honey. The long form: Several years ago a friend of mine who was an amateur bee keeper realized that my neighborhood had no bees. He asked me to let him put two hives in my backyard in return for sharing the honey. I agreed, and come to love my backyard honey. Last year my friend lost all interest in his hobby, and did not pick the supers in the fall or took care of the bees through the winter. In February I decided to do "something" about it before I would have to face spring swarms. So I bought basic protective head cover and gloves from Dadant and borrowed a couple of tools from my friend. In March I took the supers off and extracted the honey, getting 7.5 gallons. Following an advice from a bee keeping book I removed the queen separators, put a newspaper on top of one hive, removed the bottom of the other hive, and put it on top of other hive. Yesterday, continuing by the advice of the book, I separated the hives again, taking a couple of heavy frames from the top hive and replacing them by a couple of light frames from the bottom hive. (BTW I wonder to where the newspaper disappeared...) What I realized after all of that is that I just don't enjoy this job. (No offense, I realize that most people here have a different opinion, that's why I post this article.) I also realized that the hives were not taken care off properly; e.g. one of the super was half empty because of wax worms. I'm looking for an experienced bee keeper who lives close by to take care of the bees in exchange for sharing the honey. You don't need to make any financial contribution, the hives, bees, queens, supers, etc. are already there. In case you want to reduce your fall work load I don't mind if you will extract the honey sometime before March; I don't try to maximize my honey output, just to get some. But, I want somebody who did it before and can take care of the hives, swarming included, without having to deal with the bees myself. If you live in California's Silicon Valley, South Bay, and you have an interest in such a deal, then please drop me a line in e-mail either to hillel@viewgraphics.com or hillelg@optibase.com Thank you Hillel hillel@viewgraphics.com Art is the stored honey of the human soul, gathered on wings of misery and travail. -- Theodore Dreiser Article 31699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how many bees Message-ID: References: <3CBBA06C.D6D36D77@dcnet2000.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:24:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1019010290 4.33.104.48 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:24:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:24:50 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31699 Bob Seaman asked: > roughly how many bees in a lb. I agree with Jeremy's estimate of 4,000 to 6,000 bees per pound. It may be easier to think of it as about 10,000 bees to the kilogram. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mites? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8dcv8.22476$Lh6.473290@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:34:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019039684 142.166.239.142 (Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:34:44 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:34:44 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31700 Yesterday was a really great day here in Atlantic Canada for the bees to fly. So, I set up my video camera at the hive enterance and taped them coming and going. The bees were about a foot long on my TV screen and I could not spot a single mite in the video. Maybe I don't know what I am looking for. Is there a photo of a bee with mites any where on the web? BTW, I watched the video of them coming and going several times already and want mezmerized buy the little darlings. They wipe down their antas and clean their faces evertime they exit the hive and when they come back with a load of polin that is so neatly stored on their legs, it just amazes me. They are so cool, I could watch them all day. I am definately going to put an observation hive in my livingroom, much better then realily TV stuff. -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8dcv8.22476$Lh6.473290@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: Mites? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:44:54 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.36.110 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1019047072 210.55.36.110 (Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:37:52 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:37:52 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31701 "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:8dcv8.22476$Lh6.473290@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Yesterday was a really great day here in Atlantic Canada for the bees to > fly. So, I set up my video camera at the hive enterance and taped them > coming and going. The bees were about a foot long on my TV screen and I > could not spot a single mite in the video. Ken, visual inspections are not accurate when deciding if you have a Verroa mite infection. Try this method: Open the hive and scoop around 300 bees into jar that is half full of icing sugar, then put the lid on it and leave the bees for about ten minutes then release the bees back into the hive. The sugar makes some Verroa fall off and they can easily be seen as dark brown (Bits) in the white sugar. Article 31702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: requeened...shocked and surprised!!! 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We proceeded to the bottom box to look for our queen cage and marked queen. We found the queen cage empty and the queen busy laying. We then decided to see how much brood was above the excluder. Guess what???? We found another laying queen. Yes, we have two laying queens in one hive. I didn't think this was possible. Jim is out there splitting the hive. We didn't know what else to do. This was the first time we requeened. Can anyone add advice, comments anything???? Like I said, I am shocked!!! Sincerely, Melissa http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ Article 31703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: also... 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Article 31704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to start beekeeping Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:46:36 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7070-3CBDB4FC-3@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRwcPE15npY3SSLEPuG60iYWZIivAIUMlRgPytkP7cnq0wQAowIrCfFv2U= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31704 This might help. http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ Article 31705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: also... Message-ID: References: <6985-3CBDA287-19@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:15:35 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:16:27 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31705 white out is good On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:27:51 -0500 (CDT), A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) wrote: >What can I use to mark our unmarked queen if I don't have one of those >handy pens around. Is there something safe I can use to mark her? Article 31706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: googler@davesweb.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frame feeder? Date: 17 Apr 2002 12:55:30 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 40 Message-ID: <591ec787.0204171155.8fb2ad0@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.236.240.190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019073330 12481 127.0.0.1 (17 Apr 2002 19:55:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Apr 2002 19:55:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31706 Don't forget to cut a strip of wood and place it in the feeder. This will float and keep your girls from downing themselves. I didn't know or think about the wood and was surprised to find a hundred dead bees in my feeder. Only when I checked out sci.agriculture.beekeeping did I realize how stupid I was. Dave "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:... > I will search for that company on the web and hopefully they are on line. > Thanks.... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > "Fritz and Joyce Ludwig" wrote in message > news:a956gh$tnh$1@news.chatlink.com... > > Try Walter T. Kelley Company. Catalog # 158 - $3.00 each for plastic > > "division board" feeders. > > > > Fritz > > > > "Ken Bullock" wrote in message > > news:yf3t8.10425$Lh6.273184@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > > I am looking to make a frame feeder; Does anyone have url where this > might > > > be discribed or pictured? > > > > > > -- > > > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: also... Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:29:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3cbde900.167883354@news1.radix.net> References: <6985-3CBDA287-19@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31707 On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:27:51 -0500 (CDT), A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net (Melissa Osbourne) wrote: >What can I use to mark our unmarked queen if I don't have one of those >handy pens around. Is there something safe I can use to mark her? > Nail polish. Take a pair of pliars and pull the brush hairs out first. beekeep Article 31708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6985-3CBDA142-17@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: requeened...shocked and surprised!!! Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:52:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.128.182 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1019094730 12.81.128.182 (Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:52:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:52:10 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.54!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31708 Several ways a queen can get above an excluder. Some possibilities: 1. She returned from her mating flight during your hive manipulation 2. When you removed the excluder, she was on it and when you put it back on she was on the other side or you put it on "bottom-up" 3. Excluders are not perfect. There can be a lot of varience during manufacture. I once had a hive that swarmed 6 times in 2 weeks. I managed to capture 5 of the swarms and in each case I watched the queen go through the excluder when I hived them. It was the year of El Nino. ----- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Melissa Osbourne" wrote in message news:6985-3CBDA142-17@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Guys, I'm sitting here while my husband is still fooling with the hive. > I can't believe this. > > We ordered a new queen a week ago to requeen our hive. When we opened > the hive we found empty queen cells. We removed the queen cells and > requeened. It's been a week, and we just went to check our hive. When > we opened it, we found larvae in our top boxes above our queen excluder. > We proceeded to the bottom box to look for our queen cage and marked > queen. We found the queen cage empty and the queen busy laying. We > then decided to see how much brood was above the excluder. Guess > what???? We found another laying queen. Yes, we have two laying queens > in one hive. I didn't think this was possible. Jim is out there > splitting the hive. We didn't know what else to do. This was the first > time we requeened. Can anyone add advice, comments anything???? Like I > said, I am shocked!!! > > Sincerely, > > Melissa > > http://community-2.webtv.net/A-Girl-Like-Me/MELISSASBEEKEEPING/ > Article 31709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Building supers? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:54:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019127251 142.166.239.154 (Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:54:11 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:54:11 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31709 Is there any reason why one could not build supers out of spruce. All the ones, I have are pine, but pine is 4 times the money. I would like to make some in spruce if possible... Thanks.. Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Mike Griggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:07:18 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 28 Sender: mhg3@cornell.invalid (on www.eas2002.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> <3CBC5811.5348@umext.maine.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.eas2002.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 1019135240 20185 128.253.66.35 (18 Apr 2002 13:07:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2002 13:07:20 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!mhg3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31710 In article , "Keith Hooker" wrote: > My understanding of B.t. is that it affects the moulting process and its > initial target was the various caterpillars present on fruit and veg, it > must > therefore potentially affect all Hymenoptera by ingestion, I am unclear why > Apidae are excluded except the larva do not ingest vegetable material - > pollen being questionable > > Can someone clarify the specificy of this product? > > Keith > B.T. affects absorption of food in the midgut. It binds to specific proteins in the linning of the "insects intestine" limiting absorption of food. Various strains -as mentioned in earlier posts- can only affect certain epithelial proteins (midgut) and there for are very specific in there activity. This is exploited to produce a product with a very specific host range. We use Novador on potato--for beetles, and Javalin for lepidoptera on Cabage. Over time BT corn has had several different "strains" of BT incorporated that reacts with different proteins so as one produced resistance to cvorn earworm or Europeon corn borrer another one was incorporated to break that barrier. Hope this helps Mike Article 31711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites? Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:38:50 -0400 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <8dcv8.22476$Lh6.473290@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1019137132 4605632 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31711 Dave, Didn't you leave out the "roll the bees in the sugar" step, before waiting, then letting the bees out? I doubt many will fall off if you just dump bees on top of the sugar. Karen "Dave Andrews" wrote in message news:A0ev8.2047$dw5.327628@news.xtra.co.nz... > > Try this method: > > Open the hive and scoop around 300 bees into jar that is half full of icing > sugar, then put the lid on it and leave the bees for about ten minutes then > release the bees back into the hive. > The sugar makes some Verroa fall off and they can easily be seen as dark > brown (Bits) in the white sugar. > > Article 31712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Apr 2002 14:27:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Building supers? Message-ID: <20020418102719.09456.00004059@mb-fz.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!news-east.rr.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31712 Spruce works fine. Article 31713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bruce Watt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:27:50 -0400 Organization: UMCE Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3CBED7E6.23A8@umext.maine.edu> References: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> <3CBC5811.5348@umext.maine.edu> Reply-To: bwatt@umext.maine.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: bwatt.umext.maine.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: rupert.unet.maine.edu 1019139501 9200 130.111.117.57 (18 Apr 2002 14:18:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@rupert.unet.maine.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2002 14:18:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!newshost.Dartmouth.EDU!news-peer.unet.maine.edu!rupert.unet.maine.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31713 My understanding of B.t. is that the bacterium produces both a spore (for long-term survival) and a crystal endotoxin. B.t. formulations may contain both the spore and the crystal but it is the protein crystal that is the active ingredient. The crystal reguires a certain gut pH in order to dissolve and different insect orders have different pHs. Once dissolved, the protein is further broken down into toxic sub-units that affect the lining of the mid-gut interacting with cell membranes which results in a disruption of ion regulation. The mid-gut cells die allowing the entry of gut bacteria into the main body of the insect eventually leading to death. Different insects may or may not have the enzymes neccessary to further break the protein. Well, that's more than I know. I hope it helps. Keith Hooker wrote: > > My understanding of B.t. is that it affects the moulting process and its > initial target was the various caterpillars present on fruit and veg, it > must > therefore potentially affect all Hymenoptera by ingestion, I am unclear why > Apidae are excluded except the larva do not ingest vegetable material - > pollen being questionable > > Can someone clarify the specificy of this product? > > Keith Article 31714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: glenn.west@eds.com (Glenn West) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites? Date: 18 Apr 2002 12:29:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <68065404.0204181129.32b4176@posting.google.com> References: <8dcv8.22476$Lh6.473290@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019158143 24572 127.0.0.1 (18 Apr 2002 19:29:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2002 19:29:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!easynews!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31714 "KOland" wrote in message news:... > Dave, > > Didn't you leave out the "roll the bees in the sugar" step, before waiting, > then letting the bees out? > > I doubt many will fall off if you just dump bees on top of the sugar. > > Karen > > "Dave Andrews" wrote in message > news:A0ev8.2047$dw5.327628@news.xtra.co.nz... > > > > Try this method: > > > > Open the hive and scoop around 300 bees into jar that is half full of > icing > > sugar, then put the lid on it and leave the bees for about ten minutes > then > > release the bees back into the hive. > > The sugar makes some Verroa fall off and they can easily be seen as dark > > brown (Bits) in the white sugar. > > > > And I think filling the jar "half full of icing sugar" is way overkill! A couple of tablespoons should be adequate. Article 31715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building supers? Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:36:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3cbf2e25.251115433@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31715 On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:54:11 GMT, "Ken Bullock" wrote: >Is there any reason why one could not build supers out of spruce. All the >ones, I have are pine, but pine is 4 times the money. I would like to make >some in spruce if possible... Thanks.. Ken... > Spruce isn't a pine? beekeep Article 31716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Apr 2002 21:54:09 GMT References: <3cbf2e25.251115433@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Building supers? Message-ID: <20020418175409.29979.00003269@mb-cb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31716 >Spruce isn't a pine? > >beekeep Oak isn't a maple either. Bees ain't yellowjackets etc etc Article 31717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3cbf2e25.251115433@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Building supers? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:22:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.233.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019175759 142.166.233.113 (Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:22:39 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:22:39 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31717 No, Different tree... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "beekeep" wrote in message news:3cbf2e25.251115433@news1.radix.net... > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:54:11 GMT, "Ken Bullock" > wrote: > > >Is there any reason why one could not build supers out of spruce. All the > >ones, I have are pine, but pine is 4 times the money. I would like to make > >some in spruce if possible... Thanks.. Ken... > > > Spruce isn't a pine? > > beekeep > > Article 31718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CBCD212.5EE4@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Thanks for BT answers, one more question please Lines: 13 Organization: Technology Management Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <7juv8.27029$LN2.293868@NewsReader> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:14:29 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.251.57 X-Trace: NewsReader 1019113795 217.34.251.57 (Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:09:55 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:09:55 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!NewsPeer!Fusion!NewsReader.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31718 Get a second opinion before rejecting them, you can then give the supplier VERY good reasons for rejecting them. They clearly should not be doing what you describe - get a full refund and find a better supplier Keith "Charles Pecka" wrote in message news:ubpm33qvgkpva0@corp.supernews.com... > Take them back to the seller, they should not be dying like that, you may > have been sold some sick bees. Article 31719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> <3CBC5811.5348@umext.maine.edu> Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Lines: 12 Organization: Technology Management Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:10:54 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.251.57 X-Trace: NewsReader 1019113589 217.34.251.57 (Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:06:29 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:06:29 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!easynet-monga!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!NewsPeer!Fusion!NewsReader.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31719 My understanding of B.t. is that it affects the moulting process and its initial target was the various caterpillars present on fruit and veg, it must therefore potentially affect all Hymenoptera by ingestion, I am unclear why Apidae are excluded except the larva do not ingest vegetable material - pollen being questionable Can someone clarify the specificy of this product? Keith Article 31720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building supers? Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:56:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3cbfe9be.299137648@news1.radix.net> References: <3cbf2e25.251115433@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31720 On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:22:39 GMT, "Ken Bullock" wrote: >No, Different tree... > Then why do they have pine cones? beekeep Article 31721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building supers? Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:09:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3cbfe9f8.299194945@news1.radix.net> References: <3cbf2e25.251115433@news1.radix.net> <20020418175409.29979.00003269@mb-cb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31721 On 18 Apr 2002 21:54:09 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >>Spruce isn't a pine? >> >>beekeep > >Oak isn't a maple either. >Bees ain't yellowjackets etc etc > A lot of 2x4 are marked SPF. That's Spruce, Pine, Fir. They are all conifers commonly known as pine trees or softwoods. Pine is a generic name for any of the various cone bearing trees. Now if he had said Yellow Pine or Loblolly Pine then he would have been talking about a certain type of tree such as your example. Oak and maple are totally different trees but both are hardwoods. beekeep Article 31722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building supers? Date: 19 Apr 2002 06:27:46 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <993fd181.0204190527.17b8940@posting.google.com> References: <3cbf2e25.251115433@news1.radix.net> <3cbfe9be.299137648@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019222866 23429 127.0.0.1 (19 Apr 2002 13:27:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Apr 2002 13:27:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31722 honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote in message news:<3cbfe9be.299137648@news1.radix.net>... > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:22:39 GMT, "Ken Bullock" > wrote: > > >No, Different tree... > > > Then why do they have pine cones? > > beekeep BeeCrofter is correct.SPF is just a grade of lumber(may be spruce,pine,OR fir)often used for pallets,crates,etc.But these are definitely different species of conifers.I was a timberfaller for 28 years so you can take this as gospel,as each species had different cutting specifications(saw logs for lumber,peelers for plywood) As far as using for supers,I have lots of home made cedar,plywood,pine,and SPF.I can tell you the bees couldnt care less what they live in,just use what is economical for you. ----Mike Article 31723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Mike Griggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:49:37 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 38 Sender: mhg3@cornell.invalid (on www.eas2002.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> <3CBC5811.5348@umext.maine.edu> <3CBED7E6.23A8@umext.maine.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.eas2002.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 1019234977 28030 128.253.66.35 (19 Apr 2002 16:49:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Apr 2002 16:49:37 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!mhg3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31723 Actually, that is the beauty of B.T. The endotoxin does not react with the mamalian gut tissue. It is not mamalian toxic in the amounts that you could digest. The worse situation is that it may be affecting other invertibrates, ecological webs etc. Additionally, insects tend to become resistant to it so it becomes this chase to find something new. Mike PS--Table salt is much more toxic to mamals than BT In article , "Keith Hooker" wrote: > From the replies here, it would seem that B.t. clearly has more than one > strain, and with the advent of incorporating its material within plants > through GE who knows what we are eating or what its affect will be on us? > > Keith > > > My understanding of B.t. is that the bacterium produces both a spore > > (for long-term survival) and a crystal endotoxin. B.t. formulations may > > contain both the spore and the crystal but it is the protein crystal > > that is the active ingredient. The crystal reguires a certain gut pH in > > order to dissolve and different insect orders have different pHs. Once > > dissolved, the protein is further broken down into toxic sub-units that > > affect the lining of the mid-gut interacting with cell membranes which > > results in a disruption of ion regulation. The mid-gut cells die > > allowing the entry of gut bacteria into the main body of the insect > > eventually leading to death. Different insects may or may not have the > > enzymes neccessary to further break the protein. Well, that's more than > > I know. I hope it helps. > > > Article 31724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Message-ID: References: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> <3CBC5811.5348@umext.maine.edu> <3CBED7E6.23A8@umext.maine.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:45:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.252.222 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019241933 142.166.252.222 (Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:45:33 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:45:33 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31724 On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:49:37 -0400, Mike Griggs wrote: >Additionally, insects tend to become resistant to it so it becomes this >chase to find something new. That is the biggest problem of incorporating Bt in plants, such as potatoes. This is creating Colorado potato beetles that are resistant to it and depriving organic gardeners from one of the very few safe pesticides available to them. Pesticides should be used sparingly to avoid or minimize that problem. -- Ajo Wissink Article 31725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8dcv8.22476$Lh6.473290@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: Mites? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:36:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1019245016 24.31.219.77 (Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:36:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:36:56 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31725 "Ken Bullock" Is there a photo of a bee with > mites any where on the web? http://www.pollinator.com/varroa.htm -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building supers? Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:07:14 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3cbf2e25.251115433@news1.radix.net> <3cbfe9be.299137648@news1.radix.net> <993fd181.0204190527.17b8940@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-3-p50.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31726 i have spruce supers which are common here (Switzerland) and seem no problem... -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 "Mike" a écrit dans le message de news: 993fd181.0204190527.17b8940@posting.google.com... > honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote in message news:<3cbfe9be.299137648@news1.radix.net>... > > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:22:39 GMT, "Ken Bullock" > > wrote: > > > > >No, Different tree... > > > > > Then why do they have pine cones? > > > > beekeep > > BeeCrofter is correct.SPF is just a grade of lumber(may be > spruce,pine,OR fir)often used for pallets,crates,etc.But these are > definitely different species of conifers.I was a timberfaller for 28 > years so you can take this as gospel,as each species had different > cutting specifications(saw logs for lumber,peelers for plywood) > As far as using for supers,I have lots of home made > cedar,plywood,pine,and SPF.I can tell you the bees couldnt care less > what they live in,just use what is economical for you. > ----Mike Article 31727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8dcv8.22476$Lh6.473290@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: Mites? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 02:15:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1019268935 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:15:35 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:15:35 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!64.152.100.70!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf2so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31727 Go to back to www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln there new photos on the site with mites on bees. "Dave Green" wrote in message news:sl_v8.67290$XP2.24050131@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > > "Ken Bullock" > > Is there a photo of a bee with > > mites any where on the web? > > http://www.pollinator.com/varroa.htm > -- > Dave Green SC USA > The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com > > Article 31728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:49 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 152 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31728 Ludite. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// A PRESENTATION FOR ELEMENTARY GRADE STUDENTS EXTINCT: Definition: No longer in existence. This three syllable word is one of the most powerful in the English language. It describes the power we have, as humans, to wipe an entire species off the planet. In the case of the story I am about to tell, this word describes the condition of the common apple. You laugh, "what do you mean apples are extinct? Are you crazy?" Sure, in today's world they're not, not yet. In the counter-earth on which my story takes place, they are extinct, along with oranges, cherries and one-third of the world's food crops. To the children of this counter-earth, these fruits are but a myth, a legend passed down from generation to generation. Only the little ones believe in the myth. This is a story of what might happen if the art of beekeeping is not passed on to the youth of the present and the future. Now you ask, "what is the correlation between beekeeping and the extinction of apples?" The points will connect as my story unfolds. The landscape of this counter-earth is a bleak, mountainous desert, dotted with air sealed biospheres. Inside these biospheres reside cities, and in these cities live the people of this world. On their small, government controlled farms, they raise root vegetables, such as potatoes and yams. Underground, they raise thousands of types of mushrooms, the main part of their diet. But they have no pumpkins for Halloween, no orange juice for breakfast, no food that needed pollination to survive. "It wasn't always like this" the parents said to their children. They told them how they used to enjoy all the luxuries of mass produce. How they could put marmalade on their toast and honey on their biscuits , they could carve jack-o-lanterns in October, and their grandmothers could bake apple pies. But then their scientists, for the good of the people, concocted pesticides in their laboratory to powder and spray on plants to fight off insect infestations. Then, for the good of the people, they placed genes from the bacteria into all of their major farm crops, so the plants could fight off the bugs themselves . Most people were ecstatic. Plants that could defeat insects all by themselves? How convenient! But a few people disagreed. "How do you know this is such a good idea?" they said. "You've only tested these pesticides and plants in controlled places, how do you know their effect on wildlife, the environment?" The government asked these people to write and tell their side of the story . The only ones to write were a small group of beekeepers . When the government reviewed the letters, and counted the numbers, they decided that the beekeepers were only a few and they were known to be rabble-rousers . The government went ahead with their experiments. And the majority was pleased. "Science moves us forward! These new techniques will revolutionize farming!" The majority urged the scientists on, until every farmer replaced his crops with the 'laboratory approved safe' plants, and treated them with the new pesticides. Well, almost every farmer did. Those that were the minority, the beekeepers , seeing that there was no way to stop the progress, left. They traveled up the mountains, and settled far away, on the other side. The majority, who lived in the fertile valley of the mountains, thought the beekeepers were silly, and soon forgot about them. They focused on their new wonder crops. They were so thrilled, they didn't notice the lack of butterflies that summer . They didn't notice how hard it was to find honey, or if they did, how very expensive it was. They didn't notice how few birds sang on the fenceposts. They were blinded by their success, their triumph over Mother Nature. The scientists continued to receive grants to proceed with new kinds of genes and new forms of pesticides. The new apple trees were aflame with blooms, along with the other fruit trees. But when it came time to harvest, the fruits were either nonexistent or small and unfit for eating . The people were outraged and confused. In their failure, they looked around and realized what they had done. All the fauna that used to populate the orchards were gone. The government, for the good of the people, had all the new plants destroyed, and the pesticides discontinued. Lacking vegetation, all the topsoil washed away, and the once fertile valley became a desert. The people had to build huge, airtight biospheres to live in and escape the great dust storms. Inside, they grew the only plants that would provide food, the ones that didn't need pollination. Which brings us to the present day at the counter-earth. In the biospheres, the people are currently harvesting a bumper crop of giant mushrooms. But on the other side of the mountain, where the beekeepers had fled all those hundreds of years ago, the farmers are hauling in a record crop of those legendary apples and cherries. The children are enjoying tall glasses of orange juice, while their mothers bake apple pies. In the orchards, the fathers take their children out to examine some of the tall, white boxes that are scattered here and there . He explains to them, just as his father had told him, that it was the tiny residents of these hive boxes that made the harvests possible. And while one child puffs the smoker , he teaches the others the trick to handling the frames just right . He explained how the bee travels from flower to flower, slipping pollen to each in exchange for the sweet nectar the flower contains. The beekeeper explains that it was this process that ensured the survival of the apple . As the children sneaked fingerfuls of fresh honey, he told them of a place, far across the mountains, where apples were extinct because the people used plants and pesticides that wiped out all of their bees. And, as the birds sang and the butterflies fluttered in the summer breeze, the children giggled. "Apples, extinct? You must be crazy!" And so ends my story. As farfetched as it seems, this piece of fiction could one day become harsh reality if we do not join beekeepers and learn the art of raising bees. Many bees are being killed as they are pollinating farmers' crops. Pesticides are poisons that are used to kill unwanted insects that harm crops and other insects like mosquitoes. There are about 250,000 species of flowering plants on earth that require pollination. Most flowers secrete nectar, a sugary, scented liquid to help attract insects to the flower. In seeking nectar or gathering pollen, the bee accidentally brushes up against the anthers so that pollen grains are transferred to the stigma. Pollination is not a deliberate behavior but an accidental one, performed by the bees as they collect food. So, you ask, "what does this have to do with me?" You are deciding the future of the world. By becoming involved in beekeeping, you ensure that this piece of fiction will never become fact. Get involved, talk to a beekeeper, visit a hive! ENDNOTES "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com... > Judy said: > > >If you have not read Patricia's > >essay on our local bee club's website, I urge you to do so. The web > >address is http://home.fuse.net/backyardbees/ > > I visited the above URL, but I don't use 'word', a well known but > proprietary software that produces documents with the file extension > ".doc" of which I can't open. > > Have you considered posting Patricia's essay in a document with the > file extension of ".txt" or even ".htm" then everyone can read it. > > Internet standards, not microsoft standards. > > C.K. Article 31729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: also... Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:55:12 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <6985-3CBDA287-19@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> <3cbde900.167883354@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31729 You can use model paint, this years color is yellow. "beekeep" wrote in message news:3cbde900.167883354@news1.radix.net... > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:27:51 -0500 (CDT), A-Girl-Like-Me@webtv.net > (Melissa Osbourne) wrote: > > >What can I use to mark our unmarked queen if I don't have one of those > >handy pens around. Is there something safe I can use to mark her? > > > Nail polish. Take a pair of pliars and pull the brush hairs out > first. > > beekeep > Article 31730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com> References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:14:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news8-gui.server.ntli.net 1019294045 80.1.219.139 (Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:14:05 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:14:05 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news8-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31730 On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:49 -0400, "me" wrote: >EXTINCT: Definition: No longer in existence. > >This three syllable word Three? Is it worth reading any further after such a glaring error? -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=712893090 Use jaf @ ntlworld while jaf.co.uk is broken. Article 31731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> <2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:11:42 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.35.157 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1019300658 210.55.35.157 (Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:04:18 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:04:18 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31731 "JAF" wrote in message news:2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com... > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:49 -0400, "me" wrote: > > >EXTINCT: Definition: No longer in existence. > > > >This three syllable word > > Three? Is it worth reading any further after such a glaring error? What a stunning observation! Dislezica roles KO! Who first decided on how to spell the word dyslexia ?? Article 31732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fanning? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:51:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.148.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019303460 207.179.148.245 (Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:51:00 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:51:00 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31732 It is just above freeving here today, I checked the feeder pail to see if the girls were in need. When I lifted the pail the girls were lined up wing tip to wing tip, with their tails in the air fanning wildly. What are they doing that for? It surely is not to cool off the hive as it is not warm out. They have been on the same pail of feed for nearly two weeks and it is still half full. SO, I guess they are not in need of sugar. The polin is out here now and they are hauling it steady.... Ken.... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CBA20E3.D13@hotmail.com> <3CBC5811.5348@umext.maine.edu> <3CBED7E6.23A8@umext.maine.edu> Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) Lines: 21 Organization: Technology Management Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:39:45 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.252.157 X-Trace: NewsReader 1019227160 217.34.252.157 (Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:39:20 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:39:20 BST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed3!btnet!NewsPeer!Fusion!NewsReader.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31733 From the replies here, it would seem that B.t. clearly has more than one strain, and with the advent of incorporating its material within plants through GE who knows what we are eating or what its affect will be on us? Keith > My understanding of B.t. is that the bacterium produces both a spore > (for long-term survival) and a crystal endotoxin. B.t. formulations may > contain both the spore and the crystal but it is the protein crystal > that is the active ingredient. The crystal reguires a certain gut pH in > order to dissolve and different insect orders have different pHs. Once > dissolved, the protein is further broken down into toxic sub-units that > affect the lining of the mid-gut interacting with cell membranes which > results in a disruption of ion regulation. The mid-gut cells die > allowing the entry of gut bacteria into the main body of the insect > eventually leading to death. Different insects may or may not have the > enzymes neccessary to further break the protein. Well, that's more than > I know. I hope it helps. Article 31734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <6a03cukrov058a1es888p69blamp3nv9s9@4ax.com> References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> <2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:55:49 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 1019314546 80.1.219.139 (Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:55:46 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:55:46 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31734 On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:11:42 +1200, "Dave Andrews" wrote: > >"JAF" wrote in message >news:2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:49 -0400, "me" wrote: >> >> >EXTINCT: Definition: No longer in existence. >> > >> >This three syllable word >> >> Three? Is it worth reading any further after such a glaring error? > >What a stunning observation! > >Dislezica roles KO! > >Who first decided on how to spell the word dyslexia ?? > A committee. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=712893090 Use jaf @ ntlworld while jaf.co.uk is broken. Article 31736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Fritz and Joyce Ludwig" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:04:22 -0400 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust54.tnt2.anderson.sc.da.uu.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1019336664 31297 67.216.15.54 (20 Apr 2002 21:04:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:04:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31736 I just cut as much out of the center of an old plastic bottom board as I could and attached 8 mesh hardware cloth to the rim that was left. Then I mounted it on top of another bottom board, facing backwards to make a compartment to hold a "stickum" board for fallen mites. It looks good, but I have yet to put it into action. Has anyone had experience with such a "rig"? Article 31737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fanning? Date: 20 Apr 2002 16:30:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.136.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019345433 16462 127.0.0.1 (20 Apr 2002 23:30:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 2002 23:30:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31737 "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:... > It is just above freeving here today, I checked the feeder pail to see if > the girls were in need. When I lifted the pail the girls were lined up wing > tip to wing tip, with their tails in the air fanning wildly. > > What are they doing that for? It surely is not to cool off the hive as it is > not warm out. They have been on the same pail of feed for nearly two weeks > and it is still half full. SO, I guess they are not in need of sugar. > > The polin is out here now and they are hauling it steady.... Ken.... Ken According to the bees, you broke into the hive. They are releasing an alarm pharmone to alert the rest of your presence. Article 31738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Fanning? Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:31:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019349071 142.166.239.58 (Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:31:11 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:31:11 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31738 That explains it.... Thank-you... Ken..... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Ian" wrote in message news:cdaa9ae0.0204201530.44caf6ba@posting.google.com... > "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:... > > It is just above freeving here today, I checked the feeder pail to see if > > the girls were in need. When I lifted the pail the girls were lined up wing > > tip to wing tip, with their tails in the air fanning wildly. > > > > What are they doing that for? It surely is not to cool off the hive as it is > > not warm out. They have been on the same pail of feed for nearly two weeks > > and it is still half full. SO, I guess they are not in need of sugar. > > > > The polin is out here now and they are hauling it steady.... Ken.... > > Ken > > According to the bees, you broke into the hive. They are releasing an > alarm pharmone to alert the rest of your presence. Article 31739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:27:28 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CC21580.DC30924A@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> <2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1E073FDCB50FB7F3221C820F" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 62 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31739 --------------1E073FDCB50FB7F3221C820F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JAF wrote: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:49 -0400, "me" wrote: > > >EXTINCT: Definition: No longer in existence. > > > >This three syllable word > > Three? Is it worth reading any further after such a glaring error? Holy hell, I have read this thing over 10 times, at least. Never caught it. And I was the one who proofread the original. The worst part is that I am an absolute fanatic about spelling and grammar. Turning 50 could be used as an excuse, I am told. Nah, not me. Please don't miss the opportunity to read it. If you can look beyond any errors, Patricia's style is great and the presentation is good. I am sorry. I should have caught this. The error is mine. Judy > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > ne cede malis > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=712893090 > Use jaf @ ntlworld while jaf.co.uk is broken. --------------1E073FDCB50FB7F3221C820F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JAF wrote:

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:49 -0400, "me" <gnr@charter.net> wrote:

>EXTINCT:  Definition: No longer in existence.
>
>This three syllable word

Three?  Is it worth reading  any further after such a glaring error?

Holy hell, I have read this thing over 10 times, at least.  Never caught it.  And I was the one who proofread the original.  The worst part is that I am an absolute fanatic about spelling and grammar.  Turning 50 could be used as an excuse, I am told.  Nah, not me.

Please don't miss the opportunity to read it.  If you can look beyond any errors, Patricia's style is great and the presentation is good.

I am sorry.  I should have caught this.  The error is mine.

Judy

jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk
ne cede malis
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=712893090
Use jaf @ ntlworld while jaf.co.uk is broken.
--------------1E073FDCB50FB7F3221C820F-- Article 31740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <75ks8.16036$GG1.991788@news2.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Screened Bottom boards Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <0bqw8.71114$de1.3355827@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 03:17:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1019359036 24.64.223.206 (Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:17:16 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:17:16 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf2so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31740 Your "stickum" board can give you an idea how many mites are in your hive. If there are 20 mites on your board make the following calculation and you get an idea how many mites are approximately in your beehive. 20 x 50 = 1000 mites left. After the next 21 days 1000 x 5 = 5000. The next 21 days 5000 x 5 = 25 000 mites and so on. This calculation is not exact because sometime hatching only 3 female mites and sometimes up to 6 mites. So be careful and inspect your bees during the whole season. After harvesting the honey your bees need the first treatment and later the fall one or two other treatments depends what kind of medicament you are using. I found this site on the web and it can give you an idea. The Beeguy from Germany www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln "Fritz and Joyce Ludwig" wrote in message news:a9sl4n$ui1$1@news.chatlink.com... > I just cut as much out of the center of an old plastic bottom board as I > could and attached 8 mesh hardware cloth to the rim that was left. Then I > mounted it on top of another bottom board, facing backwards to make a > compartment to hold a "stickum" board for fallen mites. It looks good, but > I have yet to put it into action. > > Has anyone had experience with such a "rig"? > > Article 31741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JOHN L." Sender: "JOHN L." Reply-To: "JOHN L." Subject: DOES YOUR 1999-2002 GM TRUCK/VEHICLE HAVE A DEFECTIVE ENGINE? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-User-Info: 216.12.216.160 216.12.216.160 jleonard NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.218.245.75 Message-ID: <3cc24597$1_2@newsa.ev1.net> Date: 20 Apr 2002 23:52:39 -0500 X-Trace: newsa.ev1.net 1019364759 207.218.245.75 (20 Apr 2002 23:52:39 -0500) Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!newsa.ev1.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31741 Looks like a lot of the General Motors vehicles built from 1999-2002 have defective piston slap engines. Especially the 4.8, 5.3, 6.0 and 8.1 Liter engines in the pickup trucks. GM has promised to repair the defects then they realized they had too many out there and the price tag would be very high. They have come back and said the piston slap is "NORMAL" despite evidence that there is increased oil consumption, decreased compression and physical damage to the piston and cylinder bores when the engines are inspected visually. For more information related to this issue see http://www.gmpistonslap.cjb.net Article 31742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> <2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com> <3CC21580.DC30924A@fuse.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:01:11 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1019376067 80.1.219.139 (Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:01:07 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:01:07 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!feed-ev1!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!deine.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31742 On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:27:28 -0400, Judy and Dave wrote: > >Please don't miss the opportunity to read it. If you can look beyond >any errors, Patricia's style is great and the presentation is good. Well worth reading, IMO, in spite of my pedantry. Take a look at http://www.commonground.org.uk One of their aims is to revive old (almost extinct!) apple varieties. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=712893090 Use jaf @ ntlworld while jaf.co.uk is broken. Article 31743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The re-launched Bee Biz issue No.13 April 2002 Message-ID: <1019380630.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:17:10 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1019380845 195.157.220.2 (Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:20:45 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:20:45 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31743 Bee Biz - The international English language magazine for the professional beekeeper. Subscribers will be able to collect their copy at the Northern Bee Books stand on April 27th at the British Beekeepers Association Spring convention and exhibition, Stoneleigh, Coventry, England. The re-launched issue is available to download FREE from the beedata website today. Visit the URL http://www.beedata.com/beebiz/ Regards Steve ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. Article 31744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks.... Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:36:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019388981 198.164.250.141 (Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:36:21 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:36:21 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!feed-ev1!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31744 I just wanted to say thank-you to all of you who helped me get my head together this spring. I have my split planned and 5 new nooks coming on the15 th of May, so I will have 8 hives running. I am excited to see it all come together. I have building supers and putting frames together for so long, I have forgoten I am supose to be a woodturner and not a carpenter. Anyhow. Many thanks for your help... Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Hennessey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fanning? Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:41:20 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-119.buproprione.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1019400197 133 62.136.83.119 (21 Apr 2002 14:43:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2002 14:43:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31745 Or maybe their fanning to increase the airflow across the top of the comb to speed up the evaporation of the water from the sugar syrup? "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:ECcw8.1162$cT2.161824@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > It is just above freeving here today, I checked the feeder pail to see if > the girls were in need. When I lifted the pail the girls were lined up wing > tip to wing tip, with their tails in the air fanning wildly. > > What are they doing that for? It surely is not to cool off the hive as it is > not warm out. They have been on the same pail of feed for nearly two weeks > and it is still half full. SO, I guess they are not in need of sugar. > > The polin is out here now and they are hauling it steady.... Ken.... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > Article 31746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:44:25 -0400 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> <2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1019407467 6751880 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31746 Give her a break - a 14-year old from Kentucky! Maybe it is a 3 syllable word there. BTW, those who didn't have word could have clicked on the HTML version (even if it was labeled "for the Mac", it is just a web page). "JAF" wrote in message news:2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com... > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:49 -0400, "me" wrote: > > >EXTINCT: Definition: No longer in existence. > > > >This three syllable word > > Three? Is it worth reading any further after such a glaring error? > -- > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > ne cede malis > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=712893090 > Use jaf @ ntlworld while jaf.co.uk is broken. Article 31747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Angela & Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eggs in hived swarm? Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:04:45 -0400 Lines: 12 Message-ID: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYWgJdXZpNdr6iecKtEIjdYnlD0kLz8P8O0p/Ref6qrHtPh7H52sxZq X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 2002 21:00:19 GMT X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31747 I hived a swarm on Wednesday. I looked at them Saturday, and all seemed well, but I found no eggs. Did I miss the queen or does she not start laying right away? In case it matters, I put them in a full deep with drawn comb, and temps were over ninety for wed-fri. Please excuse me if this is a stupid question, I did check all my bee books for an answer, and couldn't find one. Thanks, Keith Article 31748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Eggs in hived swarm? Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <7gGw8.4827$cT2.256578@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:34:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.250.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019424899 142.166.250.19 (Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:34:59 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:34:59 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31748 I am not really experianced but I would guess the the bees would have left or started making a queen if there is none in the hive. If the bees stuck around, I wouldn't worry about it. I only have one hive right now but will have eight by mid may if all goes well with my splits and nooks I am buying. So, I might be wrong. Ken..... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message news:a9v993$7tq$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > I hived a swarm on Wednesday. I looked at them Saturday, and all seemed > well, but I found no eggs. Did I miss the queen or does she not start > laying right away? In case it matters, I put them in a full deep with drawn > comb, and temps were over ninety for wed-fri. Please excuse me if this is a > stupid question, I did check all my bee books for an answer, and couldn't > find one. > > Thanks, > > Keith > > Article 31749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:21:24 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> <2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 130 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-200-125.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1019431492 news.dial.pipex.com 8511 62.190.200.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!feed-ev1!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!isdnet!195.25.12.36.MISMATCH!oleane.net!oleane!bnewspeer00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed02.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31749 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter , entitled "Kids ask the darnest things!", KOland wrote >Give her a break - a 14-year old from Kentucky! Maybe it is a 3 syllable >word there. Hey, now! As a writer, I can sort of guess what has happened -- in the editing, the word "extinction" has been replaced by the catchier and more direct "extinct". It's very, very easy to wind up with ridiculous anomalies after a bit of editing of this sort. In one of my own published stories is the sentence, "Keith was idly fussed through the cd collection in the corner..." or something along those lines. My husband had very kindly been editing for me, and decided to change the tense on me... The real point is that she at least gives a damn about the state of affairs in farming, and the implications for the bee and insect populations. The only thing I find quite far-fetched in the whole thing is the idea that there are other people out there, "beyond the mountains" who have kept the apple trees and the beneficial insects and pollinators alive. Surely someone would have found them and enslaved them under a wholly fair and democratic system by the time it came to bio-domes! But, as you rightly say, give her a break, she's only 14. It's very easy to dismiss the unpleasant, and to regard it as mere fantasy, as enviro-hype, and suchlike. If people in general, and as a whole care (for personal reasons) to jump on the science and technology bandwagon, and to support whole-heartedly the genetic engineering programmes, so be it. I hope, since it seems an inevitable step already taken, that they really are correct in believing that GM crops and foods are as completely safe and useful as the companies who sell them would like us to believe. Qualms of mine concern the increased use of pesticides and herbicides with the new crops (Round-Up, after all, kills earthworms, which, in turn, helps to hasten the depletion of fertility in the soil. As far as I understand it, it also kills a lot more than that...and so the cycle continues). Also of grave concern is the effect that the "hard selling" of GM seeds is having in the third world. I have spent quite a lot of (very unpleasant) time in India, where small family farmers, faced with _increasing_ pesticide and seed bills (remember, these are terminator seeds), make the decision to _drink_ the pesticide, and thus kill themselves, rather than face the black hole of debt into which they have hurled themselves by accepting this new technology designed to "feed the world", to "increase yields dramatically", and to "reduce the need for extensive spraying". Other doubts of mine come from the fact that, in general, we think ourselves far more clever technologically than we actually are. There is a pro-GM argument that mankind has been "engineering" crops for centuries. This is true. But, when you think of the most highly "engineered" crops -- those most highly refined through natural selection, we find at the top of the list potatoes and brassicas (cabbages, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, rapeseed, mustard) - - all of which are far more prone to disease and fungal attacks than any other plants. Responsible farmers and gardeners are forced to rotate these crops, never growing them in the same place twice in succession. Recommended time between planting brassicas in the same place is three years. It takes seven years for a given piece of land to recover from potato blight (a disease, by the way, which was "bred into" the potato as a remedy to Leaf Curl Virus, which was itself a result of breeding to rid potatoes of the knobbly, irregular shape they have in the wild. Immediately they set about to getting rid of Blight, they bred in Black Wart Disease...). Perhaps with all the scientists busy mapping the genome of this, that and the other, they are going about putting rat genes in oils and fish genes in tomatoes, and who knows what else into cotton, wheat, and rice, with a greater understanding than has ever before been available or "utilizable" by mankind before. I personally believe it is far more to do with the patent system and the vanity of men than with any magnanimous ideas about improving farming and the lot of humanity in general. It is more about profit than benefit. In the meanwhile, as a self-subsistence farmer (that means I don't sell anything, and consequently I don't make a profit -- I just aim to be self-sufficient, and grow all my own crops), I choose to do everything "organically" -- that is, in the way my ancestors always did. Perhaps I am a reactionary (or whatever it is they are calling people like me these days), but I do not trust the changes that are being engineered into farming any more than I trust DDT, Thalidomide, MMR, third- generation contraceptives, aspartame, or any other human invention of the past 50 or so years that has been deemed "safe" by standards that are not readily available for scrutiny. Please don't be too harsh on the girl who wrote the article about the destruction of natural pollinators (i.e. BEES, whom we ALL love in here!). To hell with the grammatical errors and please, please, let us discuss the substance of the article! Either we agree with her ideas, and should encourage her, or we disagree entirely, and should seek to guide her. I'm sorry, but all this talk of syllables is a cop-out, looking for the mote in the eye of a 14-year-old. If she IS 14, she writes very well -- better than most adults in these profoundly unenlightened and mass-educated times, and should bloody well be encouraged -- after all, it's HER world, and HER future into which we're belching our economically lucrative GM crops. By the way, here in the North of England, where the people are far more intelligent and sensible than their London cousins (!), words like "here" and "there" are very frequently two-syllable words. I grew up in New Jersey, so I understand all the guff about Kentucky, but please, please, don't discourage a young person so early on -- the children ARE the hope of the future. I respond, by the way, not so much to the person I'm quoting as to the bulk of responses in general. I believe that, in all, the piece is well-written, heartfelt, imaginative, and good. You cannot take that away from her, no matter what gut-instincts you have to dismiss the article as a whole after reading only the first few lines. Go on, rip ME apart instead! I am used to it -- I used to talk in the FMD newsgroup at the height of the Foot and Mouth fiasco in this country last year -- they are a miserable lot in there. So, give ME your worst instead. I think she did well, and should be encouraged. Kind regards, Kelly /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 31751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:20:23 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> <2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31751 Hey, I didn't write it, I just posted it after a group of folken couldn't view it. But, I really don't give a dang if the poor kid missed a syllable or two. I didn't write anything close to that at 14 (and some would argue since, but they don't see what I get paid for as opposed to what I get amusement from) and I bet neither have a lot of people in here. So lets just let it slide a little, ok? harumph. "JAF" wrote in message news:2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com... > On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:49 -0400, "me" wrote: > > >EXTINCT: Definition: No longer in existence. > > > >This three syllable word > > Three? Is it worth reading any further after such a glaring error? > -- > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > ne cede malis > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=712893090 > Use jaf @ ntlworld while jaf.co.uk is broken. Article 31752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Eggs in hived swarm? Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:27:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.130.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1019442441 12.81.130.133 (Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:27:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:27:21 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn14eed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.55!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31752 You probably hived an afterswarm led by a virgin queen. Give her a week to 10 days to reach sexual maturity and mate. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message news:a9v993$7tq$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > I hived a swarm on Wednesday. I looked at them Saturday, and all seemed > well, but I found no eggs. Did I miss the queen or does she not start > laying right away? In case it matters, I put them in a full deep with drawn > comb, and temps were over ninety for wed-fri. Please excuse me if this is a > stupid question, I did check all my bee books for an answer, and couldn't > find one. > > Thanks, > > Keith > > Article 31753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:51:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CC37AA5.6B260295@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> <2ac2cughd175ggcuq6t6sbjq8c7g9oik0b@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31753 KOland wrote: > Give her a break - a 14-year old from Kentucky! Maybe it is a 3 syllable > word there. > How funny. Karen, I had a whole paragraph written, that I deleted, about just how Kentuckians figger out the syllabuses! Thankfully, we just live here. ;o} Judy Article 31754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New queen Question Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8QRw8.4925$cT2.297293@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:44:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.250.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019472260 198.164.250.244 (Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:44:20 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:44:20 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31754 I am getting my two new queens today, yes, I am excited, my first split. It has been just below freezing here lately and I am worried she will freeze before she gets free of the cage. Will the swarm protect her from the cold weather, or will she just tough it out? Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8QRw8.4925$cT2.297293@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: New queen Question Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:26:17 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.54.102.135 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1019474321 210.54.102.135 (Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:18:41 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:18:41 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31755 "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:8QRw8.4925$cT2.297293@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... Hi Ken, heck downunder is now heading into winter, if I was that cold I would put some more wood on the fire.. Grin!! Dave Andrews Article 31756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Brookes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Vs traffic Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:26:45 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1137.snake.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1019479624 32584 62.137.116.113 (22 Apr 2002 12:47:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Apr 2002 12:47:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31756 Due to crop rotation and access problems I am having to consider an option for an OSR site across a busy dual-carriageway. It is within 150m of the rape and elevated well above and back from the traffic so there is not a great deal of noise (until you stick your head over the top of the bank). Does anyone have any thoughts/opinions?? I've never seen my bees as good/strong/advanced this early. 4 lost out of 80. David Perthshire SCOTLAND Article 31757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: York Bees Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:24:58 -0400 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 42 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1019492703 7343792 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31757 I normally don't try to rock the boat as most beekeepers and suppliers are trying to make a living. But, in this case I thought I would make an exception. Last year I purchased some queens from York Bees and found out that the bees I had purchased just missed being quarantined from by the state inspectors. From talking to the inspector in GA. He told me they were told not to ship and they went ahead and shipped. Mine being part of the shipment. Most of you will remember last years post about bees being quarantined. I heard that some of the bees had AFB and others Mites. I don't know where my queens feel in that grouping. I didn't want to place the queens I'd received in as I didn't want to take any chance with any issues that might arrive. York Bee offered to ship me replacements for those. The fact here is that I had to wait two weeks give or take a day to install queens into queenless hives. I decided this year I would give York Bees a try again to get a couple of queens as I needed some in a hurry so I called and placed my order. Today I received a package with 1 less queen than I had ordered. I tried calling the company all morning and at lunch finally got through, prior the phone just rang and rang. The lady that answered was quick to say hurry up with my question as it was lunch time. I mentioned that I had been trying to call all morning and had not gotten through. Well, she said I was crazy and that this was their busiest time of the year. I explained to her that I didn't get one of the queens that I had ordered and she explained that it must of been left out or fallen out.... Well, this didn't sit right with me as the envelope was sealed and I cannot see how it could of just fallen out. I can see that they made a mistake and didn't ship the total amount. Well... I mentioned to her that I was in a hurry to begin with and needed the queen yesterday! She said I could pay the cost to ship overnight! Well, I mentioned to her that it wasn't my mistake and I would like to see it here ASAP. To make a long story short. NO MORE QUEENS FROM YORK... two strikes you don't get me for three!! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ Article 31758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New queen Question Date: 22 Apr 2002 13:01:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <8QRw8.4925$cT2.297293@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.136.20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019505669 25632 127.0.0.1 (22 Apr 2002 20:01:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Apr 2002 20:01:09 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31758 "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:<8QRw8.4925$cT2.297293@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > I am getting my two new queens today, yes, I am excited, my first split. > > It has been just below freezing here lately and I am worried she will freeze > before she gets free of the cage. > > Will the swarm protect her from the cold weather, or will she just tough it > out? Ken... As long as you place the queen in the bee cluster, they will keep her warm. Place her between two brood frames. Article 31759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kids ask the darnest things! Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:57:26 -0500 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <5p89cuofhv6nqfgo5vnjkv1nnepsshloiq@4ax.com> References: <3CA90790.A9CCB33F@fuse.net> <3CABD06E.F4256F94@fuse.net> <20rnau88dcjsv5a0kgls18pr3bds28rs01@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1019519847 7704708 216.167.143.46 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.46!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31759 >EXTINCT two vowels two sylables..still that's alright, everyone needs a proof reader. >The worst part is >that I am an absolute fanatic about spelling and grammar. Turning 50 >could be used as an excuse, I am told. Nah, not me. Have you heard some of those speeches made in the House lately?...Makes your little gaff look like you're the new Disraeli. >Patricia's style is great and the presentation is good. Yes..I enjoy hearing about beekeepers saving the planet. It's good to see evidence of a considerate young person out there. When Patricia says: >You laugh, "what do you mean apples are >extinct? Are you crazy?" Sure, in today's world they're not, not yet. We have a two volume set of books called: "The Apples of New York" in these are listed 'thousands' of varieties, many of which are now apparently 'lost'. If humans have all this free will, what is their problem, are they just stupid or what? C.K. Article 31760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Apr 2002 00:38:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: nucs Message-ID: <20020422203855.11135.00005285@mb-ca.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31760 I have always used packaged bees in the past and this year decided to try a couple of nucs. They arrived this evening and I realize I don't know the proper way to transfer them to a hive. Any help or tips would be appreciatted. Julie W. Article 31761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020422203855.11135.00005285@mb-ca.aol.com> Subject: Re: nucs Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:58:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019523536 142.166.239.27 (Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:58:56 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:58:56 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31761 I have not got my nooks yet, but I have been told they come with 4 frames of bees and brood. In that case, I would guess that I would just take the frames out and put them in the new super dump in the rest of the bees and close it up. But, like I said, I have not done this yet so, I may very well be wrong. Ken..... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "Timmdwill" wrote in message news:20020422203855.11135.00005285@mb-ca.aol.com... > I have always used packaged bees in the past and this year decided to try a > couple of nucs. They arrived this evening and I realize I don't know the proper > way to transfer them to a hive. Any help or tips would be appreciatted. > > Julie W. Article 31762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: York Bees Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:11:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3cc4b45e.54373378@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31762 I have bought my last 100 or so queens from Spell Bee and have been extreamly satisfied with their service. beekeep On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:24:58 -0400, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >I normally don't try to rock the boat as most beekeepers and suppliers are >trying to make a living. But, in this case I thought I would make an >exception. Last year I purchased some queens from York Bees and found out >that the bees I had purchased just missed being quarantined from by the >state inspectors. From talking to the inspector in GA. He told me they >were told not to ship and they went ahead and shipped. Mine being part of >the shipment. Most of you will remember last years post about bees being >quarantined. I heard that some of the bees had AFB and others Mites. I >don't know where my queens feel in that grouping. I didn't want to place >the queens I'd received in as I didn't want to take any chance with any >issues that might arrive. York Bee offered to ship me replacements for >those. The fact here is that I had to wait two weeks give or take a day to >install queens into queenless hives. > >I decided this year I would give York Bees a try again to get a couple of >queens as I needed some in a hurry so I called and placed my order. Today I >received a package with 1 less queen than I had ordered. I tried calling >the company all morning and at lunch finally got through, prior the phone >just rang and rang. The lady that answered was quick to say hurry up with >my question as it was lunch time. I mentioned that I had been trying to >call all morning and had not gotten through. Well, she said I was crazy >and that this was their busiest time of the year. I explained to her that I >didn't get one of the queens that I had ordered and she explained that it >must of been left out or fallen out.... > >Well, this didn't sit right with me as the envelope was sealed and I cannot >see how it could of just fallen out. I can see that they made a mistake >and didn't ship the total amount. Well... I mentioned to her that I was in >a hurry to begin with and needed the queen yesterday! She said I could pay >the cost to ship overnight! Well, I mentioned to her that it wasn't my >mistake and I would like to see it here ASAP. > >To make a long story short. NO MORE QUEENS FROM YORK... two strikes you >don't get me for three!! > >-- >BeeFarmer >Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ > > > Article 31763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:12:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3cc4b4d4.54492157@news1.radix.net> References: <20020422203855.11135.00005285@mb-ca.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31763 On 23 Apr 2002 00:38:55 GMT, timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) wrote: >I have always used packaged bees in the past and this year decided to try a >couple of nucs. They arrived this evening and I realize I don't know the proper >way to transfer them to a hive. Any help or tips would be appreciatted. > >Julie W. Taking the frames out of the Nuc and putting them in a hive would be a good place to start. beekeep Article 31764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: York Bees Date: 22 Apr 2002 21:27:39 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1019525182 14108 166.84.1.2 (23 Apr 2002 01:26:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31764 There are many good queen breeders and queen rearers. Ask around. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:22:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020422203855.11135.00005285@mb-ca.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 39 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31765 > I have always used packaged bees in the past and this year decided to try a > couple of nucs. They arrived this evening and I realize I don't know the proper > way to transfer them to a hive. Any help or tips would be appreciatted. Late in the afternoon, Place your Hive in the location you want it, move all your needed equipment there, Nuc boxes also. Get your smoker going, lightly apply a SMALL amount of smoke to the opening of the Nuc box. If you intend to feed 1:1 syrup have the feeder filled and in place 1.remove 3-4 frames from the center you for hive. you will be taking these with you. 2. Open the Nuc box slowly. Remember you already smoked them lightly. 3. Take the 3-4 frames of brood from the Nuc box and put into the middle of the hive. 4. Queen Cage, remove cork from candy end. 5. Place queen cage with the candy end up between the frames of brood in such a manner that the wire side of the queen cage can be attended to by the bees in the hive. 6. Bees remaining in the box, firmly strike the box on the ground, all remaining bees will fall to the bottom of the box, pour them over the queen cage 7. Place box on ground in front of the hive, the remaining bees will find the entrance from the bees inside fanning. 8. Place on inner cover and outer cover. you are done for today. 9. In 3-5 days come back for the queen cage, when you remove it make sure she has been released. Feed grease patty and pollen supplement if nothing is blooming for those of you way up north. Feed 1:1syrup again as required. 10. Check in about 1 week to see if the queen is laying and if they need more feed. Chuck Article 31766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:46:36 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3cc5492a.92466452@news1.radix.net> References: <20020422203855.11135.00005285@mb-ca.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31766 On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:22:33 -0500, "Charles Pecka" wrote: >> I have always used packaged bees in the past and this year decided to try >a >> couple of nucs. They arrived this evening and I realize I don't know the >proper >> way to transfer them to a hive. Any help or tips would be appreciatted. > >Late in the afternoon, Place your Hive in the location you want it, move all >your needed equipment there, Nuc boxes also. Get your smoker going, lightly >apply a SMALL amount of smoke to the opening of the Nuc box. If you intend >to feed 1:1 syrup have the feeder filled and in place > >1.remove 3-4 frames from the center you for hive. you will be taking these >with you. >2. Open the Nuc box slowly. Remember you already smoked them lightly. >3. Take the 3-4 frames of brood from the Nuc box and put into the middle of >the hive. >4. Queen Cage, remove cork from candy end. >5. Place queen cage with the candy end up between the frames of brood in >such a manner that the wire side of the queen cage can be attended to by the >bees in the hive. >6. Bees remaining in the box, firmly strike the box on the ground, all >remaining bees will fall to the bottom of the box, pour them over the queen >cage >7. Place box on ground in front of the hive, the remaining bees will find >the entrance from the bees inside fanning. >8. Place on inner cover and outer cover. you are done for today. > >9. In 3-5 days come back for the queen cage, when you remove it make sure >she has been released. Feed grease patty and pollen supplement if nothing is >blooming for those of you way up north. Feed 1:1syrup again as required. >10. Check in about 1 week to see if the queen is laying and if they need >more feed. > >Chuck If he bought a nuc without a queen laying a good pattern he should find another dealer. beekeep Article 31767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:55:42 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020422203855.11135.00005285@mb-ca.aol.com> <3cc5492a.92466452@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!netnews.com!opentransit.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31767 > If he bought a nuc without a queen laying a good pattern he should > find another dealer. > > beekeep > > Yes, agreed but to cover all possible contingencies I added the non-laying caged queen that some "Professional/Commercial" package bee and Nuc sellers do sell. My Nucs don't leave till I verified the brood pattern but that is me and I'm not a professional/commercial type. All for an imperfect world we live in. Chuck Article 31768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Newbie Question Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr13.news.prodigy.com 1019597174 ST000 63.197.142.62 (Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:26:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:26:14 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: F[OGRAKD\JUWB_TXNCOF_W\@PJ_^PBQLGPQRZUEK@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:26:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr13.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31768 11 inch,,,or 10 inch softball? (kidding) "CE" wrote in message news:ec892669.0204150612.27fbaab5@posting.google.com... > I am in the northern hemisphere, Northern Ohio to be exact. Our > spring bulbs (daffodils) have just started to expose their color. I > was told to keep feeding the bees sugar water until they get most of > the brood comb drawn. > > A non-organic grapefruit is about the size of a softball. > > CE > > > Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:... > > Just curious, but if you're in the northern hemisphere, why are you > > feeding the bees sugar water it being the middle of April. Aren't > > 'things' blooming around you now? > > > > Also, what is the size of a non-organic grapefruit? > > > > > > C.K. Article 31769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long can I keep a queen Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <3bnx8.5411$cT2.398173@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:41:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.254.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1019608895 142.166.254.172 (Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:41:35 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:41:35 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31769 I got my queens late tonight and I am wondering if there is anything to do to keep them happy until tomarrow. They have their bee candy to eat and I put a drop of water on the cage to give them a drink.... Anything else? -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 31770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: uk swarms in march.??? what next ?? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Fast, Complete, Great Service! Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:41:15 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31770 "Alec" wrote in message news:CY0p8.12330$Ko1.2174866@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com... > UK swarms in march.??? what next uk > > i have just had a swarm arrive in my pile of boxes awaiting attention...in According to L.R. Croft in his book 'Oddities of Beekeeping' The earliset recorded swarm was on March 23rd 1896 in Essex Article 31771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Apr 2002 12:28:40 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: queens in the uk Message-ID: <20020424082840.05270.00005187@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31771 It's nearly queen rearing season in the uk. Email me if you are needing a queen. cheers pete Article 31772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:06:32 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020314 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31772 I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Taylor Article 31773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:23:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31773 > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > What am I doing wrong? Try some dryer lint, then some cotton cloth mixed with crushed pine cone, once it starts I don't have to re-light it. be patient and get it going good before you close it up. Chuck Article 31774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Message-ID: <8djdcuk605g0ahkt9pa6l2rallv76op014@4ax.com> References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:26:20 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:27:16 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31774 It does take practice and most importantly patience to do it right .. I use gerbil bedding or pine needles. Start a piece of paper on fire and add a few pine needles. Get these really burning and add a few more, maybe an inch. Pump the billows until you have a roaring fire .. let it burn a couple minutes until everything is burning. Start to add pine needles and loosely fill smoker .. puff a few times until you have heavy smoke and then press the needles down and refil a couple times . learning how many to pack in is probably trial and error but you end up packing pretty tightly. Dave On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:06:32 -0500, Taylor Francis wrote: >I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > >I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > >Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > >What am I doing wrong? > >Thanks, >Taylor Article 31775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: 24 Apr 2002 16:17:05 GMT Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.78 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31775 On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:06:32 -0500, Taylor Francis wrote: >I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > >I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > >Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > >What am I doing wrong? > >Thanks, >Taylor > Probably just don't have enough of a flame before you close it. I light my as follows: Place a small amount of cedar shavings on the bottom (about an inch or so) Light it with a propane torch while pumping the bellows. When you can sustain a good flame without needing the torch anymore add cedar on top pumping the bellows every few seconds. Pack the cedar in tight. Pump about every 5 seconds for a minute. Then you will need to pump just every so often to keep it ready. I use one of those push button torches used for pumbing. It's easy and quick, but be careful, the flame is hot. This is definately not the safest way to light a smoker. Matches or lighters can be used in the same manner, but you will likely need some newspaper to get it going and it typically takes longer. The real trick is to get a good flame before covering it with more fuel (making it smoke) -Tim Article 31776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BigTimber" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe I'm just dumb, but... Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:30:57 -0500 Organization: Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Lines: 28 Sender: bigtimber@att.net Message-ID: References: <3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work> NNTP-Posting-Host: pat.niti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsreader.mailgate.org 1019665590 20435 64.73.90.228 (24 Apr 2002 16:26:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mailgate.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:26:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mailgate.org!newsreader.mailgate.org!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31776 BURLAP is the *perfect* material for bee smokers! The guys (including the late Dr. F.E. Moeller) at the (former) Bee Lab here in Madison, WI taught me this years ago; they used it exclusively. It lights easily, burns long and slow, and only requires an occasional "puff" to keep it going. The only problem you might have with it is that it is becoming increasingly hard to find. I used old burlap seed bags and potato sacks for a long time, until they stopped making them out of burlap. -- Tim "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3CC6C9F8.3010808@doesnt.work... > I can't for the life of me keep a smoker lit! > > I've tried cotton pellets, cardboard, straw, cedar, pine needles.... > > Everything goes out almost as soon as I close the top... > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Taylor >