Article 11640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 03:21:14 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6fsbo2$ed7$1@magnolia.pe.net> References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> <1998032816252801.LAA15165@ladder01.n ews.aol.com> <351FF63E.E9B98955@ne.mediaone.net> <6fq1lu$9a8$2@lasierra.pe.net> <35 210E3B.6BF4084B@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp85.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11640 In articl >> >> >What would indicate that a top bar >> >hive would be more effective in varroa control?? >> > >> The big difference is in the ten sheets of foundation wax in the >> Langstroth frames. In the TBH, the bees start out in a conical mass just like in >> a wild swarm. In the Langstroth hive...there is no way they can all hang >> together in a group because... in the Langstroth frame the >> bees are all separated off from one another right from the start by >> these foundation sheets so that it is hard for them to police one another >> for mites. >That's only true when bees are first installed into a top bar hive. Once >the comb is drawn and the brood is being reared, honey stored etc. the >top bar hive's bee space is identical to a Langstroth hive (or any other >hive which makes use of 4 sided frames and foundation). It takes the whole season for the bees in the top bar hive to draw down comb so that the bee spaces get anywhere near as cramped as the Langstroth bee spaces are. Langstroths have cramped little bee spaces right from the beginning. Even at the end of the season in the TBH the bees have room to fly around in the bottom of the hive because there is still lots of space between the bottom of the combs and the bottom of the TBH. There is never any space for the bees to fly inside a Langstroth hive. One time I saw a bee suddenly swoop down on and kill a pissant. I wonder if the bee would have even tried to kill the pissant if the bee had to walk up to it instead of swooping down on it. Article 11641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com! news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Lip Balm Date: 1 Apr 1998 04:08:17 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6fsejh$c61@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6fomeg$2ao$1@heliodor.xara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.21.118 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11641 Alison, Try this: 4 parts beeswax 4 parts caster oil 6 parts almond oil 2 parts anhydrous lanolin Use a double boiler over electric heat. (flammable) Use more oil if to thick. Use some flavoring if you like. My granddaughter liked strawberry. Good luck Pete Ian Lawson wrote in article <6fomeg$2ao$1@heliodor.xara.net>... > Please, does anyone have a recipe for Lip Balm/Lip Moisturiser, using > Beeswax and/or Honey? > > Thanks, > > Alison Lawson. > > > Article 11642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west .sprintlink.net!newsfeed.wli.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ne ws-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.n et!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:09:54 -0600 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3521DA2E.9EDEBBF2@starpoint.net> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd 5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> <6fos5d$etm$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bd5c2a$12785620 $83038ed1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11642 George Stewart wrote: > The Studies which were documented used hives from the same area with 3 to 5 > different control groups. > > control group 1-no treatment > control group 2-apistan > control group 3-apistan & oils > control group 4-oils > control group 5-formic acid > > All of the tests confirmed that control group 2 was the only group that > showed any significant mite reduction. If these test were done indescriminately then I would think there should be no difference between group 2 and group 3. I would like to bring to everyones attention that there are already test done on mineral oil check out this site, http://www.internode.net/honeybee/oil/default.htm . It has also been mentioned that mineral oil was known to work on v-mites over 20 years ago, and guess who knew about it, the Apistan people. There is no way to keep mineral oil out of everyones hands, they had to come up with a lethal chemical that reqiures regulations. Start to wean yourselves from the chemicals that may cause cancer in humans by trying mineral oil on just 1 of your colonies. > Elroy Article 11643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com! news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!203.97.37.6!clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!new s.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: Victor Kay Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Hives for Sale, Sydney Australia Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 15:29:42 -0800 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3522CDE6.12D7@tig.com.au> Reply-To: samovar@tig.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-846.tig.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11643 I have three hives, brimming with bees and honey that sadly must go. The little guys make great honey. They are lovely creatures and I have promised to find a good home for them, coupled with a dirt cheap price (so as not to put their new owner in a bad mood). How much? AUD$100 each hive. How can you refuse? Please call Walter on 02 9649 6338 and mention that you're keen to buy our baby bees. Article 11644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:31:12 +0100 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3521DF2C.3137@Birkey.com> References: <6fot54$ulu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <199803310220.EAA00811@base.xs4all.nl> <6fqkof$15j$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <35219481.89A09D40@valley.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 18967@206.68.164.7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11644 Bill Greenrose wrote: > discovery in italy on same, i wish to point out the not-so-subtle irony of > associating the term nazi with the name finkelstein. It's precisely this kind of twisted and childish writing by mr. or mrs. "anonymous" that lets us all know this persons true color. It's quiet obvious now why they remain anonymous. If you we were able to reply to anonymous via private email, we wouldn't be wasting all this space in the newsgroup which is another indicator of someone who needs to protect themself from their own actions. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 11645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998033123331300.SAA14374@ladder01.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Where Can I get Midnight Bees? Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:03:55 -0500 Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.34 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.34 Message-ID: <3522491b.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11645 Greetings! midnites can be obtained from York Bee:there is a complete listing of bee suppliers at my beelinks page. -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http:www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee CarlB fish wrote in message <1998033123331300.SAA14374@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >The other day I saw some discussions on the midnight strain of honeybee.Good or >bad... I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find a reputable source >for this strain??!!.....remember when Sears and Roebuck used to carry these !? > Article 11646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3521D1D0.C7D@kingston.net> Subject: Re: essential oils Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:06:25 -0500 Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.34 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.34 Message-ID: <352249b4.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11646 Greetings! I have just added Dr. Pedro Rodriquez's articles about mineral oil treatments at my home page:http:www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 beeman@kingston.net wrote in message <3521D1D0.C7D@kingston.net>... >There has been alot of discussion about Varroa mite treatment. >Specifically the concern about tolerance that appears to be occuring >with Apistan. I have also read alot about essential oil treatment >delivered by grease patty and syrup. The essential oils seem to be >gravitating towards the mint family. What would happen if you planted >mint around the vacinity of the hives? Would the bees get any benefit >of varroa protection from the mint in the nectar? Even if it was not >enough by its self, wouldn't combining the two be beneficial? I have a >good size mint patch growing outside my garden. The stuff comes up >every where so its definitely not hard to grow. My bees where in it for >a long time. I wasn't really paying attention at the time as to exactly >how long the mint bloomed. I will this year. I don't think it is >realistic to have enough mint to affect the flavour of the honey. Does >anyone know for sure what it is about the mint oils that kills the >mites? Looking forward to answers and opinions. Article 11647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3521D1D0.C7D@kingston.net> <352249b4.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Subject: Re: essential oils/correction Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:10:45 -0500 Lines: 38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.34 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.34 Message-ID: <35224ab7.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11647 correction: home page located at: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Midnite wrote in message <352249b4.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com>... >Greetings! >I have just added Dr. Pedro Rodriquez's articles about mineral oil >treatments at my home page:http:www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee > > >-- >Holly-B Apiary >P.O. Box 26 >Wells,Maine 04090-0026 > >beeman@kingston.net wrote in message <3521D1D0.C7D@kingston.net>... >>There has been alot of discussion about Varroa mite treatment. >>Specifically the concern about tolerance that appears to be occuring >>with Apistan. I have also read alot about essential oil treatment >>delivered by grease patty and syrup. The essential oils seem to be >>gravitating towards the mint family. What would happen if you planted >>mint around the vacinity of the hives? Would the bees get any benefit >>of varroa protection from the mint in the nectar? Even if it was not >>enough by its self, wouldn't combining the two be beneficial? I have a >>good size mint patch growing outside my garden. The stuff comes up >>every where so its definitely not hard to grow. My bees where in it for >>a long time. I wasn't really paying attention at the time as to exactly >>how long the mint bloomed. I will this year. I don't think it is >>realistic to have enough mint to affect the flavour of the honey. Does >>anyone know for sure what it is about the mint oils that kills the >>mites? Looking forward to answers and opinions. > > Article 11648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998033123331300.SAA14374@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3522491b.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Subject: Re: Where Can I get Midnight Bees?/correction Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:12:09 -0500 Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.34 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.34 Message-ID: <35224b09.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11648 oh beepoop! my web page is located at:http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Midnite wrote in message <3522491b.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com>... >Greetings! >midnites can be obtained from York Bee:there is a complete listing of bee >suppliers at my beelinks page. >-- >Holly-B Apiary >P.O. Box 26 >Wells,Maine 04090-0026 >http:www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee >CarlB fish wrote in message ><1998033123331300.SAA14374@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >>The other day I saw some discussions on the midnight strain of >honeybee.Good or >>bad... I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find a reputable >source >>for this strain??!!.....remember when Sears and Roebuck used to carry these >!? >> > > Article 11649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: essential oils Date: 1 Apr 1998 16:35:36 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1998040116353600.LAA12159@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3521D1D0.C7D@kingston.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11649 My home apiary is surrounded by 900+ acres of mint. In addition to a mint honey crop, they winter over with mint honey. For several years, I had a very low rate of varroa in Spring (I test with Apistan and screened sticky boards). FOr the previous four years, my winter survival rate was 98-100%. Was it my Fall treatments and managment, hygenic bees, or mint honey? Who knows without very controlled longterm testing. This year, I've been way too busy with the bee supply business and missed the Spring treatments on this group of hives - survival rate today - 50%. Dr. Mark Winston has been doing extensive test on "essential oils" and his work has shown that some of the "oils" do have an abiltiy to kill varroa, but the diffierent between an effective dose as a miticide and one that kills bees is very very small. These oils are not the "save", "organic"materials that everyone seems to think they are. Sit on the tailgate of a truck that has been used to transport mint oil and you will know in detail what a pain in the butt these oils can be. They make formic acid look like a highball drink. And, the active components (which are the miticides) in these oils vary from batch to batch, season to season. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 11650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: 1 Apr 1998 19:31:33 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6fu4ml$4vu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3521DF2C.3137@Birkey.com> <6ftumo$9i@basement.replay.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Summary: Nice Newsgroups line, no? Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11650 In article <6ftumo$9i@basement.replay.com>, Anonymous wrote: >In article <3521DF2C.3137@Birkey.com> Barry wrote: >: Bill Greenrose wrote: > >: > discovery in italy on same, i wish to point out the not-so-subtle irony of >: > associating the term nazi with the name finkelstein. > >Please move this thread to another newsgroup Ack....man I love this net.drama. I'll state AGAIN that it's anti-social in Usenet to post anonymously, even though a poster's perogitive. Since this beekeeping newsgroup was created for the benefit of beekeepers, One's anonymity as an anonymous poster lessens the benefit of others: Yo Mr. troll, you certainly do not put where you are from in your anonymous postings, whereas in your subtly thought-out rebuttal to my point, you so lamely state that someone with a "netcom.com" address is as anonymous geographically as you--well those posters usually have a line in their post explaining where they are from. This newsgroup was created to be un-moderated so that issues such as this could be hashed-out. Since this IS getting way off topic, I'll drop the follow-ups to your lame postings on net.politics, since you cannot be reached via e-mail, and hopefully wait for you to post something regarding beekeeping that will show your biological and agricultural expertise. Knock yourself out d00d. In anticipation, I'll not killfile you. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:29:22 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 2 Message-ID: <352045b5.4919709@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup1-24.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peernews.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11651 Can anyone suggest good literature concerning the collection and use of Bee Venom ? Article 11652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: WebSearch@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moldy Frames Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:53:37 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6fu6ap$ang@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.38.146 X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11652 I just opened my hives for the first time since winter. I have been whacked by the dreaded Varroa mite. The brood chamber is filled with honey but some of the frames are moldy! I made room because they were honey bound and medicated with apistan. I kept these moldy combs seperate. Will the bees clean these up as the hive gets stronger? Thanks for the info.......BirdDawg Article 11653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moldy Frames Date: 1 Apr 1998 20:29:22 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6fu832$cqf@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6fu6ap$ang@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.63 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11653 IMLE, yes. I bore a 1.5 inch hole in the front and back of each shallow super right above the handle and cover it with screen fabric. I leave a super on during the winter. The ventilation keeps the moisture from building up in the winter and helps the bees deal with 100+F days in the summer. Since doing this I only get mold during the winter between the inner and outer covers. Of course this might not be the best thing for your climate. BTW, I don't know what part of the word you are from but in warmer climates watch out for the dreaded wax moth in distressed colonies. If you get an infestation you won't need to worry about the moldy frames! -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail WebSearch@worldnet.att.net wrote in article <6fu6ap$ang@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > I just opened my hives for the first time since winter. I have been > whacked by the dreaded Varroa mite. The brood chamber is filled with > honey but some of the frames are moldy! I made room because they were > honey bound and medicated with apistan. I kept these moldy combs > seperate. Will the bees clean these up as the hive gets stronger? > Thanks for the info.......BirdDawg > Article 11654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> <1998033123255801.SAA15740@ladder03.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:06:28 -0500 Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.30.240 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.30.240 Message-ID: <3522ac28.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.161.30.240 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11654 Greetings! Is it not true that you should paint your hives a dark color and besides why paint hives at all?..the wood needs to breathe . Is it not comprehensible to realize that the pores of the wood helps to rid the extra moisture than having the bees expel this moisture through the entrance? Try to use wood that has a vertical grain wood..helps in moisture release. Why have my bees do this extra work..I want them busy collecting pollen/nectar. Comments? Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee CarlB fish wrote in message <1998033123255801.SAA15740@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >>If the JASCO is no good, can anyone suggest brand names, >>so I can shop for this with a bit more confidence? > >I like to use plain 'ol exterior latex paint ( any brand) ,most commercial >beekeepers I know have been using white exterior grade latex paint. Its >relatively non-toxic to both bees and beekeeper. For my Home /hobby hives I >like the natural appearance of wood. Ive been using a new water base exterior >varnish from Varathane under the brand name of ' diamond finish' . It looks >great and dries in two hours !...thats if you like the natural look. Article 11655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 01:04:11 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3522e2b5.2444505@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.80 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11655 I live in east Tennessee and the weather has been great. We have alot of things blooming and the bees are working like crazy. The first of Feb I fed each colony a gallon of Fumidil in a 2 to 1 sugar/water solution. Apparently that got the queen to laying good because now aI have a deep and 2 shallow supers full of bees at each colony. I usually don't put on supers until mid April but yesterday I put on med super of foundation on each colony. Today it was warm so I looked at the brood frames in the btm deep box and found several queen cells and some were capped. Any suggestions on swarm prevention? Article 11656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redshrike@aol.com (Red shrike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extactor plans? Date: 2 Apr 1998 02:50:51 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998040202505100.VAA23913@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11656 Hi, I am a very small hobbiest (number of hives, not stature) and would like to build my own extactor. Does anyone have plans they might share with me or advice how to go about making one? Thanks in advance for your responses. Thanks, Gabe Please Reply to: Redshrike@aol.com Article 11657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "corbee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: queen storage Date: 2 Apr 1998 03:08:56 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Sender: @209.144.6.51 Message-ID: <01bd5de5$817a1ec0$330690d1@corbin> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2749@209.144.6.51 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11657 I have read numerous references, books, journals, etc., on banking queens for both long and short term. My experience on banking queens is limited. I would like information on personal experiences and actual techniques on both types of storage for the hobby beekeeper that have been successful. Article 11658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3522e2b5.2444505@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: Swarming Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:01:10 -0500 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.77 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.77 Message-ID: <35231b69.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.77 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11658 -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Richard Hall wrote in message <3522e2b5.2444505@news.usit.net>... >some were capped. Any suggestions on swarm prevention? sure..go here http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 11659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: 30 Mar 1998 19:35:09 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6fos5d$etm$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11659 George Stewart (geostew@inreach.com) wrote: : > Can anyone advise a novice on how to go about an : > easy, non-toxic prevenative treatement of 20 colonies, as a precautionary : > measure against the Varoa mite? : By non-toxic I assume you mean not a pesticide such as apistan. There is : nothing out there that has been proven to work except Apistan. At the : Oregon Washington Idaho BC convention there was a lot of talk about : alternative treatments. All the studies introduce showed that essential : oils & other treatments do not help control mites in any way. Sorry, but it : looks like the only thing we can do is pray for the FDA to move on Formic : Acid, as mites are becoming resistant to Apistan. : Have Fun : Cevin Stewart -- Hello Cevin, I'll have to look up these studies since if you are correct, the mint oil treatments I've been using for the past two years haven't been working, and I have to attribute my colonies' survival and good health (they were boiling off the frames yesterday!) to benign mites or resistant bees... (The only problem I've had of late is some succession trouble (in the Fall which I attribute to the mint oil) and some AFB.) Given comments by Jack Griffes and others, which have considerably advanced my understanding of what's involved in breeding or (accidently ending-up with) varroa-resistant bees, I have a diffcult time believing the mint oils aren't working... Even the low-level infestations in 8 nukes I bought last year have cleared up - and all I've used is peppermint oil via entrance feeders and grease patties. In some of these colonies, there were no varroa mites, period, at least none visible from checking the drones and drone brood (late summer testing, last season). The others might have one or two mites in 40 or 50 uncapped drone cells... And they're all looking pretty good right now. Also, how do these studies explain the WVU-tests and results. Dave T. Article 11660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:45:02 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 72 Message-ID: <351FF63E.E9B98955@ne.mediaone.net> References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> <1998032816252801.LAA15165@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11660 HDsearcher, There is NO substantiation to the claims that top bar hives have any effect on varroa mites, tracheal mites, foul brood diseases, or any other disease, parasite, or beekeeper management challenges. Why would they?? Let's think about this.. Bee space is an accepted fact. No matter where or in what space honeybees chose or are given for a home, their combs are consistently spaced 1/4"- 3/8" apart. Modern hives (including top bar hives) were designed to take advantage of this natural tendency. All the combs in a top bar hive (hopefully, but not always) suspend from each top bar downward into a box. The combs drawn within the frame of a Langstroth or any other hive type that makes use of four sided frames also suspend downward into a box. What would indicate that a top bar hive would be more effective in varroa control?? As for FGMO (food grade mineral oil), there has been a long and drawn out discussion on Bee-L about this substance. Dr. Pedro Rodriguez's has described his experiences, other folks described their experiences, all discussed it's safety, it's effectiveness, & how various folks administered it. Many wondered whether or not any of this anecdotal info was useful because of all the different ways FGMO was administered at different intervals at different times of the year, with few mite counts being taken before or after treatment, no control hives being used, etc. Also, a number of beekeepers (including us) on Bee-L offered up a number of their colonies to a controlled nation-wide scientific study of FGMO which (most) folks wanted Dr. Rodriguez to establish the protocol for and oversee. He declined. He claims he will be publishing his results. To summarize, there seem to be many folks who have used FGMO for a year or two and have had good wintering rates which they attribute to having used FGMO. Does this mean anything? It could. It also couldn't. I personally hope that it does work, though I confess both to being skeptical and to planning to try FGMO on a half dozen or so hives this year. Having had mild winters for the last two years in New England, we've seen 5% losses last year and 8% losses (so far) this year. Three winters ago we lost 40% of our colonies. Would we have had the same result with FGMO? Our management practices haven't changed.. unless it's that I haven't been having my morning coffee out by the home apiary since we moved the chicken manure pile closer. That's it!!! The best way for varroa control is to never expose your bees to the smell of coffee and to fumigate the hives on all warm days with eau de merde de poulet! :^) It's good that you're always searching for knowledge. The more beekeepers who manage their bees based on the facts of bee biology and behaviour, the more bees survive, and the less we have to hear about the newest evangelist's amazing bee cure-all, mite killer, do-hicky, thang. Kathy thinking i could really have something with this chicken shit theory... HDsearcher wrote: > Sounds to me that we should all throw everything away, go to top bar > hives and > treat with nothing but mineral oil. Please, somewhere out there has > to be > someone with scientific data to back up these ideas, or to totally > dispute > these claims. By all means post the data that you described. I may > not be a > believer (yet) but I'm not so stupid as to listen to your ideas. > Thanks for > sharing. > > A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 11661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.61.0.4!okra.negia.net!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: essential oils Date: 2 Apr 1998 02:47:44 GMT Organization: NorthEast Georgia Internet Access Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bd5de2$1b382ba0$d2003dce@pettyben> References: <3521D1D0.C7D@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp11.negia.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11661 don't really know that much about it, but I do know that some centuries-old literature suggests rubbing the inside of the hive with what i believe is Lemon Balm, a member of the mint family. the various herbs that the ancient writers considered 'health giving' to the bees are lemon balm and other mints, oregano and thyme. beeman@kingston.net wrote in article <3521D1D0.C7D@kingston.net>... > There has been alot of discussion about Varroa mite treatment. > Specifically the concern about tolerance that appears to be occuring > with Apistan. I have also read alot about essential oil treatment > delivered by grease patty and syrup. The essential oils seem to be > gravitating towards the mint family. What would happen if you planted > mint around the vacinity of the hives? ......................... Article 11662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Wally@wallyworld.com (Wally) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 01:59:02 GMT Organization: What Organization? We ain't organized. Message-ID: <35229bf3.5659443@news1.newscene.com> References: <6fot54$ulu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <199803310220.EAA00811@base.xs4all.nl> <6fqva3$eme$1@netnews.upenn.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!novia!newscene!strip_path Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11662 How many of you get junk email or "spam"? I imagine if you have been posting on this newsgroup for any length of time using your email address that you are on some list or lists. I hate the stuff myself. There is software out there that downloads all the postings from just such newsgroups as this and strips out the email addresses. These people put your and mine and everybody else's address on a CD and sell it to the junk mailers. Or use it themselves. I post anonymously to protect myself from the junk mailers. As long as the subject relates to beekeeping what does it matter where it came from? Or even who it is from. The anonymous post is a defense against the junk mailers. How many of you have kids who read the mail inviting you to porn sites or offering to sell you the secrets to attracting women? Hey, we just don't need that stuff. The unwanted ads for that crap that makes it to this group is bad enough. If someone wants a response they can put in their address or get a throw away account at hotmail or juno or similar. When the junk mail gets too frequent, just stop using the free account and it will go away. If you want to write to me about this, drop me a line at bees_knees@hotmail.com. On 31 Mar 1998 14:41:07 GMT, djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: >Well, at least we have a sense of humor about the whole thing! > >Just out of curiousity (and I really don't have a problem with anonymous postings as long as the >content is in sync with the newsgroup charter) what IS your purpose of posting anonymously? One >of the advantages of posting with a name (even a fictitious one) is that one gets a sense of the >personality and perspective of the poster(s) over the years - as well as their credibility. So >without really voicing a vote on the anon issue or your option to do so, I'm wondering why you >are doing so... Anyway, I'm getting a sense of some aspects of your personality... sounds like >a beekeeper to me... ;) > >Dave T. Article 11663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsxfer.visi.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!howland.erols.net!winter.news.erols.com!not-for-mail From: "bhrh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for answers..... Date: 2 Apr 1998 16:45:44 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bd5e57$40501e00$b146accf@wbarry.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-70-177.s177.tnt11.brd.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 891535544 10745 207.172.70.177 (2 Apr 1998 16:45:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11663 I lost all of my bees this winter and from what Im hearing alot of keeper in my area also had large losses... I live in northern virginia and we had relitivly mild winter. I really have no idea why we lost all of our bees Does anyone have any idea as to why or had the same misfourtune please let me know .. e-mail me at bhrh@erols.com thanks barry Article 11664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bd5e57$40501e00$b146accf@wbarry.erols.com> Subject: Re: Looking for answers..... Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:39:23 -0500 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.172 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.172 Message-ID: <3523cd1b.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.172 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11664 -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee bhrh wrote in message <01bd5e57$40501e00$b146accf@wbarry.erols.com>... >Does anyone have any idea as to why or had the same misfourtune please let >me know .. sure..AFB,EFB,sacbrood,mites,condensation,dead queen,no food stores,mice,nosema,chaulbrood,bee paralysis,waxmoth,etc... have you read any books on bee diseaes?..if not,try this link: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/html/bee_diseases.html or http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee sit back and enjoy the reading! Herb >e-mail me at bhrh@erols.com > > >thanks barry Article 11665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: 2 Apr 1998 18:06:59 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: <1998040218065901.NAA29462@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6fu4ml$4vu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11665 In article <6fu4ml$4vu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: > >This newsgroup was created to be un-moderated so that issues such as this >could be hashed-out. Since this IS getting way off topic, I'll drop the >follow-ups to your lame postings on net.politics, since you cannot be >reached via e-mail, and hopefully wait for you to post something >regarding beekeeping that will show your biological and agricultural >expertise. Knock yourself out d00d. In anticipation, I'll not killfile >you. > >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vt.edu >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf > > Well said ! Name calling is about as childish as it gets. I don't come here for that. I live in central ILLINOIS, and the good winter left me wondering how much honey my bees had left. Durring the warm days of early spring, they seem to have eaten most of it. Now I have to feed them constantly as hardly any blossoms have appeared. I have heard of hives starving under these circumstances, in only a few days. Is this happening elswhere after the mild winter ? chuck Article 11666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: 2 Apr 1998 18:56:00 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6g0n00$icb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6fot54$ulu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <199803310220.EAA00811@base.xs4all.nl> <6fqva3$eme$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <35229bf3.5659443@news1.newscene.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.123 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11666 Wally wrote in article <35229bf3.5659443@news1.newscene.com>... > There is software out there that downloads all the postings from just > such newsgroups as this and strips out the email addresses. These > people put your and mine and everybody else's address on a CD and sell > it to the junk mailers. Or use it themselves. I post anonymously to > protect myself from the junk mailers. As long as the subject relates > to beekeeping what does it matter where it came from? Or even who it > is from. The anonymous post is a defense against the junk mailers. You don't have to post anonymously to conceal your identity from the spam bots. As you can see I use my real name (as most do on this group) but the e-mail address below will bounce back if stripped by a spammer. But a human reading the sig line can figure out how to e-mail me. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 11667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!katana!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3523E20C.24433C7C@mis.net> From: michael Reply-To: mfsnky@mis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup References: <6fu4ml$4vu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1998040218065901.NAA29462@ladder03.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:08:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.105 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:08:01 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11667 Yes , a friend of mine said his bees starved because they were more active during a mild winter and he did not check on them soon enough . Article 11668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!netnews.com!ais.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!server-a.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail From: "webmaster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,soc.couples.intercultural,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.albanian,soc.culture.algeria,soc.cult Subject: Holidays in Cilento (south Italy) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:32:21 +0200 Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6fu5i0$1la$1@server-a.cs.interbusiness.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: eth00.cilento.peoples.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11668 sci.agriculture.fruit:1598 sci.agriculture.poultry:4927 sci.agriculture.ratites:1204 soc.couples.intercultural:60768 soc.culture.afghanistan:33997 soc.culture.african:71227 soc.culture.african.american:383701 soc.culture.albanian:12119 soc.culture.algeria:21021 We would be very happy if you visit our new web site : Holidays in Cilento http://www.peoples.it/cilento_vacanze Kind regards Cilento Net - Agropoli (Italy) Article 11669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> <1998032816252801.LAA15165@ladder01.news.aol.com> <351FF63E.E9B98955@ne.mediaone.net> <6fq1lu$9a8$2@lasierra.pe.net> <352157C0.1B81E705@starpoint.net> Message-ID: <01bd5e7e$bc60e980$4e218ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:31:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-33-78.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:31:09 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11669 I have one question. How many hives do you people who use top bar hives run? We run 1200-1300, depending on the time of year. Do you do it as a business or as a hobby? Some of us are in beekeeping to make a living. I'd like to meet the commercial beekeeper who uses top bar hives & extracts honey every year, or can transport his hives without dropping comb down. 3yrs is a waste of time to wait for a hive to develop. Article 11670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!news.bconnex.net!news.supernet.net!news.cyberport.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:00:16 -0700 Organization: CyberPort Station Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6g126p$4h9$1@macaw.cyberport.com> References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> <1998032816252801.LAA15165@ladder01.news.aol.com> <351FF63E.E9B98955@ne.mediaone.net> <6fq1lu$9a8$2@lasierra.pe.net> <35210E3B.6BF4084B@ne.mediaone.net> <6fsbo2$ed7$1@magnolia.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host24.citizens-bank-nm.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11670 Peter Amschel wrote in message <6fsbo2$ed7$1@magnolia.pe.net>... >>That's only true when bees are first installed into a top bar hive. Once >>the comb is drawn and the brood is being reared, honey stored etc. the >>top bar hive's bee space is identical to a Langstroth hive (or any other >>hive which makes use of 4 sided frames and foundation). > >It takes the whole season for the bees in the top bar hive to draw down comb >so that the bee spaces get anywhere near as cramped as the Hello Peter, Here in New Mexico we have a number of dedicated topbar beekeepers ranging from a one hive backyarders to one full time professional beekeeper. Top bars are very useful and provide a good alternative to "traditional langstroth" hives for several reasons. They can be much less expensive to build ($10 for a topbar built with brand new lumber to $0 for one built out of discarded pallets). They provide much more wax if part of your operation is geared towards candlemaking and other products using wax. You are right that they often do not require the support infrastructure (extractors, queen excluders, supers, etc) but...They DO NOT address the Varoa problem. Our full time topbar beekeeper is very dedicated to finding a non Apistan solution. He has been trying a variety of oils, smokes, etc, coupled with selective breeding ...anything but Apistan but just came through another winter with very large losses. He is a long time, experienced, professional (in the sense he makes his living from beekeeping), very dedicated beekeeper so I know that his winter losses (which were much larger than many apistan using, langstroth beekeepers) are not poor beekeeping practices but are directly related to his dedication to trying to breed resistance rather than depending on a chemical. In New Mexico, topbar hives are not the magic bullet for varoa. They are a great hive for a number of reasons and your recommedation of them for those reasons is a good one but your statements that they are the cure for Varoa is just not borne out by the results out here. If you can point out specific beekeepers who have been able to use top bar hives to control Varoa for more than two seasons please do so. Thanks Patrick M. O'Hearn Bears Choice Honey Bloomfield, New Mexico patrick@cyberport.com Article 11671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Mite Treatment Debate Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:51:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-33-78.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:51:35 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11671 As soon as I find & post the studies that will be it for me. I'm through arguing my stand on these issues. Top bar hive users do what you want, oil users do what you want. In a commercial operation top bar hives are not worth the hassle, neither is wasting time on a mite treatment (oils) that has been proven to be less effective than apistan. As a commercial beekeeper I don't have time to argue points, or treat with some cure-in-a-bottle. When your hives die due to these alternative treatments you will then realize what is going on. Have fun, Cevin Stewart Article 11672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:25:37 -0600 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 97 Message-ID: <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: antares-22.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11672 George Stewart wrote: > As soon as I find & post the studies that will be it for me. I'm through > arguing my stand on these issues. Top bar hive users do what you want, oil > users do what you want. In a commercial operation top bar hives are not > worth the hassle, neither is wasting time on a mite treatment (oils) that > has been proven to be less effective than apistan. As a commercial > beekeeper I don't have time to argue points, or treat with some > cure-in-a-bottle. When your hives die due to these alternative treatments > you will then realize what is going on. Well George how about the magical cure on a strip. Almost everyday I have been reading post to this news group and the bee-l list of beekeepers losing their bees. It seems not one of them have been treating with Mineral oil, they have all been treating with apistan. Beekeepers that have been using mineral oil have had the normal 10 to 20% loss, most have lost none over winter. In everyone of my post I asked all not to believe me, just buy a pint of mineral oil treat 1 colony do an either roll before and after. It's only going to cost you $2.00 for the mineral oil. Do the same with your apistan colonies and see if it really stands up. Apistan must be in the colony for 45 days like wise mineral oil doesn't work immediately, nothing is a silver bullet. I am very confident that if you try it you will be sold on it, you will never look to apistan again. If you treat all summer with mineral oil I know you can totally wipe out the mites. Now if every one in your area does it and with no feral colonies left there is a good chance we could wipe the mite right out of the USA. If your a commercial beekeeper I take my hat of to you, this is where I want to be, I realized this is what I should have been doing for the last 25 years. I have 40 colonies now and have enough equipment to increase to 120 colonies this spring. I am hoping my bees come back from california in exellent condition, they were sent there with another beekeepers bees. Also I am looking forward to finding another beekeeper that is fed up with the mites I need a lot more equipment, as I am heading for 1000 colonies within 2 to 3 years. So far I have found three in my area and bought their equipment for 10 cents on the dollar. Last spring in april is when I bought my first 25 nucs, I had bees for a lot of years in the 70s though. When I bought my bees I was seeing a lot of crawlers in the grass, that is bees with no wings, no hair, undersized bees. I didn't think the nucs were going to make it until fall. I had never seen this before, there were no mites in the 70s. By mid june there must have been 30 to 50 of these crawlers all over in the grass in front of each nuc, nucs were still in 1 single brood chamber. I started looking on the web for answers, after hearing about Dr. rodrigeuz treatment with mineral oil I thought I would give it a try, as I was going to lose the bees anyway. I pulled out the Apistan strips around june 15th and started treating with mineral oil. By the 1st of july I got the second brood chamber on most, of the nucs. I didn't expect to get much honey but I was hopeful. By the 20th of july almost all crawlers have disappeared and I had the 1st honey super on. Some of the colonies did so good I had to put medium supers on them twice a week. Well after that I was sold on mineral oil. Honey flow was completely over by the 20th of august. I had 10 colonies so strong that the bees could not fit in the two brood boxes. I went back twice at night and there were still 3 to 4 pounds of bees on the outside after 3 days. I guess the frost probably got most of them. No one will ever convince me that mineral oil doesn't work. What will you do when the v-mites on your bees build up resistance to apistan? It is only a matter of time before it happens, maybe the chemical company will come up with another cancer causing agent for you to use. What are the queen breeders going to do after all the drones have become steral due to exposure to apistan, yes bee journals are now talking about this. Maybe formic acid will be your choice, what nasty stuff to give to bees that produce such a great product. If you have at least 1000 colonies then you will most likely spend $6000 on apistan spring and fall, send me the $6000 I will come and treat your bees with mineral oil. Then when you get 25 to 50% more honey you can split that with me. Well that cure in the bottle is starting to look pretty good. Just take your worst colony and give it a try, stack the deck against the mineral oil. But make sure you do an ether roll after 30 days. If you are waitng for the scientific community to reseach this out forget it there is no incentive for them to do this. Once there is a cure you can buy over the counter for a couple of dollars why would you need them? After all the NHB is going to get another 1 cent per pound of your money and mine to fund more research for a cure for the v-mite. If you have the cure now why would we need it? It should dry up all future funds, whoops thats their money and jobs for researh. By the way I was told by a researcher from the University of Montana that they Knew mineral oil would kill mites back in the sixties, I wonder why it was kept a secret. If you want to see that post I think I still have it in my trash folder. Think about it. Elroy Article 11673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news3.mco.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35244DD5.33B1485E@bellsouth.net> From: Bill Daniels X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Which magazine, if only one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 02:47:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-42-233.mem.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:47:36 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11673 Which of the national beekeeping magazines do you recommend for a beginning beekeeper? There seem to be a couple of "large" ones. If I only subscribe to one, which should it be? Thanks, Bill Article 11674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nucs Vs Packaged Bees Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:36:58 -0500 Organization: Bell Solutions Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35245959.BCE61892@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.75 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 891575170 14076 (None) 206.172.183.75 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news20.bellglobal.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11674 This is my first year beekeeping, and I have two choices in staring out. I have aquired hives with the comb already draw out. But for bees, I can go with N.Z. Bees, that would arrive last week of April or first week of May. The second is to wait for a local breeder to make Nukes, which would be ready by the 1st week of June, but more likely middle to end of June. I am eager to get established, but I do not want to be too eager and make the wrong decision. I am looking for imput on this subject. If you can, reply to this forum, or email sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca. Thank You Allen Banks Article 11675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "dbolton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nucs Vs Packaged Bees Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:14:11 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6g1noa$4m0@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <35245959.BCE61892@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: sfe-nm3-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Apr 02 8:15:06 PM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11675 From the experience I've had, I prefer to go with package bee's in my own equipment. You learn so much more about them by starting them on your own in the beginning. You take less chances with deseased equipment that way. All my packages have always out produced the nuc's I've bought. Packaged bees draw out comb much faster and are a good way to get new comb for honey supers. This has been my experience anyway. Danny sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca wrote in message <35245959.BCE61892@sympatico.ca>... >This is my first year beekeeping, and I have two choices in staring >out. I have aquired hives with the comb already draw out. But for >bees, I can go with N.Z. Bees, that would arrive last week of April or >first week of May. The second is to wait for a local breeder to make >Nukes, which would be ready by the 1st week of June, but more likely >middle to end of June. I am eager to get established, but I do not want > >to be too eager and make the wrong decision. I am looking for imput on >this subject. If you can, reply to this forum, or email >sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca. > >Thank You Allen Banks > > > > Article 11676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: 3 Apr 1998 04:40:56 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 45 Message-ID: <6g1p8o$g17@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.34.204 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11676 Elroy Rogers wrote in article <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net>... > No one will ever convince me that mineral oil doesn't work. What will you do > when the v-mites on your bees build up resistance to apistan? It is only a > matter of time before it happens, maybe the chemical company will come up with > another cancer causing agent for you to use. This whole treatment thing has been a great thread and alot of opinions have been thrown out, sometimes put forward as "fact". You infer that fluvalinate is a known carcinogenic. Please site the study so I can educate myself. I don't recall reading "Warning - this product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer" when I last bought Apistan strips and it's getting pretty difficult to find anything that California hasn't been labeled as a carcinogenic. Hey, I am just a hobbiest but cancer scares me. And yes, I treat with strips but am not ready to sign up for AA (Apistan Users Annon) because I don't believe (read think) that anything has been as rigorously tested and found to be as effective as fluvalinate, and I am referring to long-term controlled testing. Does mineral oil show promise? Perhaps, but it will take more than anecdotal evidence to alter current practice. Heck, for all we know dusting the tops of the frames with powdered milk might work but the beekeeper whose livelihood depends on live colonies is not going to risk their livelihood on a lark. Hmm....didn't you say your bees are in California? Anyone want to try the powdered milk thing?;-) -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 11677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> <6fos5d$etm$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bd5c2a$12785620$83038ed1@default> <3521707D.D9DC88CA@mis.net> Message-ID: <01bd5e80$0d1ef780$4e218ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 9 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:40:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-33-78.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:40:35 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11677 No, group 3 used apistan one treatment (spring) & oils in the fall. This was to test the alternating treatment idea. Mites showed again in spring, after the oil treatment. Then they tested oils for a spring med & apistan for a fall med to see if time of year had any effect. No positive results from oils. Article 11678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Which magazine, if only one? Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 01:32:16 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 21 Message-ID: <35248270.B300407D@ne.mediaone.net> References: <35244DD5.33B1485E@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Bill Daniels X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11678 Bill, It really depends on your reading/learning style. Both of the big bee mags (American Bee Journal & Bee Culture) are good for different reasons. ABJ is more "scientific" (though less so than in the past) and BC (i still want to call it Gleanings!) is more "accessible". You're more apt to find the details of a study reported in ABJ whereas in BC the same study may be reported in much broader strokes. So, the real question is how do you like your information? Truth is the subscription prices are fairly low (through a beekeeping association), why not try both for a year and see? or borrow copies of each from other beekeepers to see which you prefer? Unless great changes have been made in the last 4-5 years to the Speedy Bee newspaper/newsletter, it used to be the same news re-reported a month later than the other guys. Happy reading! Kathy Article 11680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!demos!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:27:27 +0200 Message-ID: <199804031027.MAA00350@base.xs4all.nl> From: Anonymous Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35229bf3.5659443@news1.newscene.com> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 106 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11680 You make some good points. However, from Herr Finkelstein's entirely ridiculous responses so far, it is obvious that the main reason that he requests that no one post anonymously to this group is that HERR FINKELSTEIN DOES NOT LIKE anonymous postings. Perhaps he is compiling his own list, for his own purposes -- who knows? To your very patient explanation, I might, were I so inclined, add many other even more compelling reasons. But I don't think I will. It would be off-topic, and persons sharing Herr Finkelstein's prejudices would no doubt find mere reasons insufficient anyway. In answer to David Tricketts observation below, about the usefulness of a "handle", I would say the following: I would have you judge my ideas on their own merits, not on the basis of who I am. If my geographical location is pertinent, it will be mentioned, as will a contact email address if that is pertinent. I don't expect it to be. If you consider my questions or ideas intrigueing, or something you can help with, post an answer. If not, don't. I'll do the same. Wally@wallyworld.com (Wally) wrote: > >How many of you get junk email or "spam"? I imagine if you have been >posting on this newsgroup for any length of time using your email >address that you are on some list or lists. I hate the stuff myself. > >There is software out there that downloads all the postings from just >such newsgroups as this and strips out the email addresses. These >people put your and mine and everybody else's address on a CD and sell >it to the junk mailers. Or use it themselves. I post anonymously to >protect myself from the junk mailers. As long as the subject relates >to beekeeping what does it matter where it came from? Or even who it >is from. The anonymous post is a defense against the junk mailers. > >How many of you have kids who read the mail inviting you to porn sites >or offering to sell you the secrets to attracting women? Hey, we just >don't need that stuff. The unwanted ads for that crap that makes it >to this group is bad enough. > >If someone wants a response they can put in their address or get a >throw away account at hotmail or juno or similar. When the junk mail >gets too frequent, just stop using the free account and it will go >away. If you want to write to me about this, drop me a line at >bees_knees@hotmail.com. > > > On 31 Mar 1998 14:41:07 GMT, djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) >wrote: > >>Well, at least we have a sense of humor about the whole thing! >> >>Just out of curiousity (and I really don't have a problem with anonymous >postings as long as the >>content is in sync with the newsgroup charter) what IS your purpose of >posting anonymously? One >>of the advantages of posting with a name (even a fictitious one) is that one >gets a sense of the >>personality and perspective of the poster(s) over the years - as well as >their credibility. So >>without really voicing a vote on the anon issue or your option to do so, I'm >wondering why you >>are doing so... Anyway, I'm getting a sense of some aspects of your >personality... sounds like >>a beekeeper to me... ;) >> >>Dave T. > > > > > > > > Article 11681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pointers to Usenet resources for our fair newsgroup Date: 3 Apr 1998 11:27:53 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6g2h3p$ol3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11681 Hello. Thanks for all the corroborative e-mail. Check out these URLs if you feel like taking a break from bees and want to gain some intelligence concerning the workings of Usenet. http://www.math.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/home/nana/ http://digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 9 or 10 frames Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:59:00 -0600 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 7943@208.24.176.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11682 After not having bees for the last 25 years I decided to put together a hive again. I ordered my supplies and thought I'd try some frame seperators. After I got them I discovered they come only in 8 or 9 frames, so my question is, what are the disatvantages or advantages of using 9 frames instead of 10 in the brood chamber? Thanks Larry Article 11683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Followup-To: alt.flame.jews Date: 1 Apr 1998 19:49:12 +0200 Organization: Replay Associates, L.L.P. Message-ID: <6ftumo$9i@basement.replay.com> References: <3521DF2C.3137@Birkey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: basement.replay.com X-XS4ALL-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:49:16 CEST X-001: Replay may or may not approve of the content of this posting X-002: Report misuse of this automated service to X-URL: http://www.replay.com/remailer/ Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!basement.replay.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11683 In article <3521DF2C.3137@Birkey.com> Barry wrote: : Bill Greenrose wrote: : > discovery in italy on same, i wish to point out the not-so-subtle irony of : > associating the term nazi with the name finkelstein. Please move this thread to another newsgroup Article 11684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping stats and main addresses for each country Date: 2 Apr 1998 08:45:03 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 68 Message-ID: <01bd5e13$394ed860$5fdafcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri3-95.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11684 In the Virtual Beekeeping Gallery, you can find statistics and addresses for 24 countries with information such as: number of inhabitants size in square kilometers number of beekeepers number of beehives average production honey / beehive / year average honey prices wholesale / retail in US $ tons of exported honey tons of imported honey addresses of national associations addresses of relative government ministries miscellaneous: research centers, laboratories, annual congresses, WEB, etc. Please check, correct and complete them at the URLs below. For the other countries (about 190 not yet documented), if you represent a government department or national association, please fill in the form at http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/pays_form.htm . Thank you in advance for your collaboration. http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/algeria.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/argentina.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/canada.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/croatia.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/cuba.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/czech.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/denmark.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/finland.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/france.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/hungary.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/israel.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/italia.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/japan.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/jordan.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/mexico.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/norway.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/quebec.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/slovakia.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/spain.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/sweden.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/uruguay.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/usa.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/vietnam.htm http://www.beekeeping.org/countries/zealand.htm (\ ______ {((O8< _______________________ (/ Gilles RATIA International Beekeeping Consultant Webmaster of the "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" APISERVICES Beekeeping Development "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 Fax: +33 (0)5 53 04 44 57 Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com Web: http://www.beekeeping.org and http://www.apiservices.com and http://www.apiculture.com _________________________________________ Article 11685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35252AB6.2D50@zeus.dpnet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:30:14 -0500 From: DEAN WARSING Reply-To: trustno1@zeus.dpnet.net Organization: Unknown Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: midnite bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dpnet_rs_tcrs36.dataplace.net Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.com!news.dpnet.net!dpnet_rs_tcrs36.dataplace.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11685 thinking about ordering some midnite bees does anyone have a track record with this bee.....thanks Article 11686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John F" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: 9 or 10 frames Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:52:11 +0100 Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-143.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <352539ac.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm2-143.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11686 Larry Williard wrote in message <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com>... >After not having bees for the last 25 years I decided to put together a >hive again. I ordered my supplies and thought I'd try some frame >seperators. After I got them I discovered they come only in 8 or 9 >frames, so my question is, what are the disatvantages or advantages of >using 9 frames instead of 10 in the brood chamber? > Thanks > Larry > By not filling the hive, you can easily remove the first frame, without 'rolling' bees, against other frames, and the hive wall. You should try to avoid killing even one bee, as the others ,smell it, and attack you/defend the hive. Another reason, in supers, is that once the bees have started to draw comb, you can move the frames slightly further apart from each other, and the bees will continue to draw, until they have reahe dthe normal 'bee space'. In this way you get deeper cells, and less wax (overall), so there is hopefully, more honey, and less waste.............. It's as well to start with 10, or the bees may start their shennanigans in the empty space, but as the end frames are the last to (normally) be built on, you can remove one and space the others at any time...... John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Article 11687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1026.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 or 10 frames Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 17:16:42 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 21 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1026.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11687 The 8/9 frame spacers are for honey supers, not brood chambers. They hold the honey-frames at an even spacing across the box, resulting in thicker combs that are easier to uncap. In brood chambers you do not want to create such wide spacing; also you need to be able to slide the frames laterally, for prying and removal. The use of 9 frames in a 10-frame brood chamber usu. entails only a scant spacing between adjacent end-bars, and the rest of the extra room being left at the side-walls of the box. The spacing with the separator-type spacers is too wide for brood rearing purposes. In article <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com>, circuit@bigfoot.com wrote: > After not having bees for the last 25 years I decided to put together a > hive again. I ordered my supplies and thought I'd try some frame > seperators. After I got them I discovered they come only in 8 or 9 > frames, so my question is, what are the disatvantages or advantages of > using 9 frames instead of 10 in the brood chamber? > Thanks > Larry Article 11688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!hub.org!news.thuntek.net!not-for-mail From: Phil Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter Bees Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:39:45 -0700 Organization: Disorganized Lines: 3 Message-ID: <352510D1.58A1@yahoo.com> Reply-To: goldpnr@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: abq-065.thuntek.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11688 Anyone know of any sources for carpenter bees? Thanks Phil Article 11689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35252464.4A79@zeus.dpnet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:03:16 -0500 From: DEAN WARSING Reply-To: trustno1@zeus.dpnet.net Organization: Unknown Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need bees!!!!!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dpnet_rs_tcrs36.dataplace.net Lines: 3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.dpnet.net!dpnet_rs_tcrs36.dataplace.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11689 discovered yesterday that w.t.kelley is out of packaged bees...does anyone know of a supplier that still has bees....i live in maryland so i would need a east coast suppier..... Article 11690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: P-O Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:13:34 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-33.cvl.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-33.cvl.hom.net Message-ID: <3525b43a.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!pm3-1-user-33.cvl.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11690 Does anybody know what happened to P-O's Page? Chip Ambrosia Apiaries Honey Co. 1304 Davis Avenue Perry, GA 31069-2704 (912) 987-1304 http://GEORGIAHONEY.com BeeMan@Georgia.com SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA OCTOBER 9th - 18th 1997 http://www.gnfa.com Article 11691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Which magazine, if only one? Date: 4 Apr 1998 10:02:36 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bd5fb0$a742d620$1864afce@default> References: <35244DD5.33B1485E@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn92-024.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11691 I would suggest Bee Culture, which I started reading 20 odd years ago. I have subscribed to both and still subscribe to it. -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach Honey Company Bill Daniels wrote in article <35244DD5.33B1485E@bellsouth.net>... > Which of the national beekeeping magazines do you recommend for a > beginning beekeeper? There seem to be a couple of "large" ones. If I > only subscribe to one, which should it be? > > Thanks, > > Bill > > Article 11692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: barrycode@aol.com (BarryCode) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need bees!!!!!!!!! Date: 4 Apr 1998 12:38:21 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1998040412382100.HAA28580@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35252464.4A79@zeus.dpnet.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11692 >From: DEAN WARSING >Date: Fri, Apr 3, 1998 13:03 EST >Message-id: <35252464.4A79@zeus.dpnet.net> > >discovered yesterday that w.t.kelley is out of packaged bees...does >anyone know of a supplier that still has bees....i live in maryland so i >would need a east coast suppier..... > > > Try York Bee Company out of Jesup, Georgia. Their phone # is (912) 427-7311. I spoke with them last week and they still have plenty of packaged bees available. Barry Article 11693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.254.160.3!hihat.mwci.net!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 or 10 frames Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:13:48 -0600 Organization: MidWest Communications, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6g4isl$m4v$1@hihat.mwci.net> References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-237.dyersville.mwci.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11693 Larry, Don't use your frame separators with foundation; the bees will draw all kinds of bridge comb in the extra space. Wait until the foundation is fully drawn. I would only use the separators in my supers where they allow for more space for honey storage (i.e., deeper cells). Article 11694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: 4 Apr 1998 16:14:57 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998040416145701.LAA24764@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3523E20C.24433C7C@mis.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11694 In article <3523E20C.24433C7C@mis.net>, michael writes: > >Yes , a friend of mine said his bees starved because they were more >active during a mild winter and he did not check on them soon enough . > > > I just notice the older bees are dying off some now. I don't think they are starving. I checked them and they looked beat up and old. Chuck Article 11695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Uk beenet website Message-ID: <891691764@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:09:24 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11695 The Beekeeping BBS (Beenet UK Host) web site has a new URL http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ Information includes: Joining UK Beenet Bromley Branch of the Kent Beekeeping Association The Kentish Bee newsletters Links to my site appreciated from other bee pages. Regards Steve STEVEN TURNER G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee. http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ Email: beeman@dircon.co.uk ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 11696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:34:21 -0600 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 110 Message-ID: <35266F18.4F702954@starpoint.net> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> <$aRaQAAYfKJ1EwiX@denrosa.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11696 Murray McGregor wrote: > Dear Elroy, > > I am impressed by your obvious enthusiasm for the mineral oil treatment. > > I currently have no opinion, for or against, mineral oil as a treatment > and will prefer to wait for some proper scientific evidence of its > effectiveness. I can afford the luxury of doing so as I live in an area, > North-eastern Scotland, which is still apparently varroa free (but not > for much longer). > > You do make some claims for the treatment which intrigue me as to what > your basis for the conclusions are. I should like to know how long your > Apistan strips were in the hives for prior to your removal of them on > 15th June? When exactly did you buy the hives and how infested were they > at that time? If it were LATE in April then you only left the Apistan in > for a bare minimum period so it is not surprising that you were still > seeing crippled bees at the reported time. > > Judging from your description of when you found the colonies to have > built up, only two weeks after starting the oil treatment, makes the > attribution of this to mineral oil extremely dubious. This is well less > than a brood cycle so at the time you noted the hives recovering sharply > and building up the only bees hatching were those from the time of the > Apistan treatment, NOT those from the mineral oil period. By mid to late > July, when you describe getting your honey flow, most of the foragers > will have been from brood deposited under the Apistan regime. Obviously > the capped period, crucial for the varroa, is much shorter, but the > ability of the bees to look after the amount of brood needed to sustain > the dramatic turnaround described means that the process of recovery > probably started well before the oil went on. > > Provided your dates are anywhere near accurate, then to me the only > conclusion is that the Apistan saved some very sick colonies you had > bought, not the mineral oil. > ` Okay lets assume that you are right Apistan cured the bees of mites. With that said lets check how valid that statement is. I don't know the dates exactly because I had no intentions of sharing any info on mineral oil. I did not Know the treatment even existed until I saw it posted on this news group some time last june. Dr. Rodriguez is the founder of mineral oil as far as I know it, I had not tried mineral oil until I saw what he was saying on Bee-chat. Bill Greenrose toke part in this I know because I saw one of his replies, maybe he can remmember the correct date of this chat. It was just days later that I started with the mineral oil treatment. As for the dates when I put on the second brood chamber it was not exactly July 1st some where ealier and some were later, I do remmember for waiting for almost the 10th of july for some I even put newspaper between to be sure I would not chill them, so as to let the bees decide when ready for second box. I do remmember being very dissapointed, I had expected about 100 lbs of honey per colony. I had got about 35 lbs per colony, some produced no honey and some produced more than 100 lbs. A few of them were over my head I had to step on a honey super to see into to top. I did much better than the commercial beekeepers in this area they got 20 lbs per colony, I know because I asked them. By the way they use apistan they just laughed about the mineral oil. Now back to the apistan, if it was the cure for the mites on my bees and mineral oil had nothing to do with then it. Then it is the first time in the history of apistan that you did not have to treat in the fall and get a ten fold reduction of mite infestation. The 1 apistan strip that was placed in the center of each nuc was so good that it totally wiped all mite from them. It was so good that I didn't put any Apistan in in the fall, the Minnesota bee inspector tested my colonies in october and found only 1 mite from a sample of approximately 300 bees taken from 10 of the colonies. I bet every one on this list would like to find such good results from there apsitan. Now as posted earlier these bees came from a commercial beekeeper, his name is chuck. My bees were going to california with his for wintering, he wanted to be sure my bees were inspected before leaving the state. Mine were tested as lot 2 his were tested as lot 1, As mentioned in an earlier post he had infestations of 10 mites, same amount of bees but taken from a few more colonies. How do you explain that the bees I purchased from Chuck treated with the same apistan , he put the strip of apistan in the nucs, to be separated in the spring and then come back together in the fall and have totally different infestation levels? Mine had ten fold decrease and no apistan put in in the fall. Have you or any one on this news group seen this magic before. Now since I agreed with you mineral oil did not work please explain my good fortune. I did not mention that I puchased 6 queens from glen apiaries in claifornia, I split the strongest nucs I had memorial day. When I think back and how serious the v-mite infestation was I had no business splitting them. But now I had 6 more nucs and these splits had no strips of apistan in them, a week later I confessed to my wife it was a foolish thing to do. I had paid over $50. for these queens, not really alot of money but when my wife was totally against my bees I was in trouble for quite awhile. As I areed ealier in this post mineral oil had nothing to do with it, it must have been the fumes that lingered on the 3 frames of brood that were transfered to the new splits from the 1 apistan strip that was in the other nuc. What a streach, I am starting to feel like I could be President. Like I said in the ealier post take your weakest poorest colony that is most likely going to die out from mites, try mineral oil on it see what happens. Really stack the deck against mineral oil, as you can see from above I unintentionally did this. I also forgot to mention that 4 of these six queens produced the most honey. Now I challenge all on this news group to make up a nuc and place 1 strip of apistan in the center leave it in for 2 months, don,t treat with apistan in the fall. Lets see if it works, well no confidence in apistan either. So many conclude that mineral oil doesn't work, so lets try the only other possible solution. Now that I know how devastating the v-mite can be I know that 1 apistan strip used in the spring only could never work. As high as the infestation level was in june, my colonies should be all dead instead of pollinating cherries this week. What say yea now Elroy Article 11697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:11:52 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <$aRaQAAYfKJ1EwiX@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.90] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 74 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11697 Dear Elroy, I am impressed by your obvious enthusiasm for the mineral oil treatment. I currently have no opinion, for or against, mineral oil as a treatment and will prefer to wait for some proper scientific evidence of its effectiveness. I can afford the luxury of doing so as I live in an area, North-eastern Scotland, which is still apparently varroa free (but not for much longer). You do make some claims for the treatment which intrigue me as to what your basis for the conclusions are. I should like to know how long your Apistan strips were in the hives for prior to your removal of them on 15th June? When exactly did you buy the hives and how infested were they at that time? If it were LATE in April then you only left the Apistan in for a bare minimum period so it is not surprising that you were still seeing crippled bees at the reported time. Judging from your description of when you found the colonies to have built up, only two weeks after starting the oil treatment, makes the attribution of this to mineral oil extremely dubious. This is well less than a brood cycle so at the time you noted the hives recovering sharply and building up the only bees hatching were those from the time of the Apistan treatment, NOT those from the mineral oil period. By mid to late July, when you describe getting your honey flow, most of the foragers will have been from brood deposited under the Apistan regime. Obviously the capped period, crucial for the varroa, is much shorter, but the ability of the bees to look after the amount of brood needed to sustain the dramatic turnaround described means that the process of recovery probably started well before the oil went on. Provided your dates are anywhere near accurate, then to me the only conclusion is that the Apistan saved some very sick colonies you had bought, not the mineral oil. This is not to say that the mineral oil will not help you to maintain low levels of infestation, indeed much of the anecdotal evidence points towards that, and I feel that, once properly researched and refined, it will probably have a place in CONTROL of varroa. However, where you have very sick colonies nearing collapse, which from your description yours were, you will still need to adopt radical TREATMENTS to save them, moving on to more benign measures if you wish, after you have saved the colonies. >No one will ever convince me that mineral oil doesn't work. What will you do >when the v-mites on your bees build up resistance to apistan? It is only a >matter of time before it happens, maybe the chemical company will come up with >another cancer causing agent for you to use. What are the queen breeders going >to do after all the drones have become steral due to exposure to apistan, yes >bee journals are now talking about this. Maybe formic acid will be your >choice, what nasty stuff to give to bees that produce such a great product. Whilst agreeing with your conclusions about the noxious nature of formic acid, it is probable that several of these things will have a place in a programme of mixed treatments. And where do you get the information that fluvalinate is carcinogenic? I've never heard that (does not mean it isn't true) and as a synthetic pyrethroid, a very benign family of substances (insofar as you can call any pesticide benign!), I would be very surprised if it were true. Also, I have not read anyone trying to convince you that the oil doesn't work, just that they want to see more evidence of either the pure scientific kind or at the more practical levels folk such as Andy describe. Asking appropriate questions is healthy debate, which surely what this group is all about. I do, however wish you every success, and if your methods are successful you will be able to look forward to a long prosperous future. Kind regards, Murray -- Murray McGregor murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Article 11698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:39:32 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <67OLoDAkarJ1EwQd@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> <$aRaQAAYfKJ1EwiX@denrosa.demon.co.uk> <35266F18.4F702954@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.90] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 73 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11698 Dear Elroy, You appear to have misinterpreted what I wrote. >Now since I agreed with you mineral oil did not >work >please explain my good fortune. I did not say mineral oil did not work. I did say that from the timings given that it is almost certain that the Apistan saved your colonies. The interesting part is the difference in the results experienced by you and your friend in the fall. It would appear, albeit based on a very small sample, that your colonies ended the season with a considerably lower mite count than your friends. What is not clear is whether 'Chuck' treated with anything at all after his spring treatment. You are putting the knife into Apistan, but it is not clear whether the true comparison is between 1. Colonies treated with Apistan or Mineral Oil, OR 2. Colonies treated with Mineral Oil or nothing at all. So what happened after June 15th in both units is important. Did 'Chuck' treat with anything after spring Apistan? If it is the latter, AND the colonies were of a similar scale and infestation after Apistan treatment removal in June, then mineral oil may well be responsible for you keeping levels of infestation low, and you may have produced an important piece of evidence for using mineral oil as a protective measure. Going back to my own post I did say that mineral oil could have a role in CONTROL of varroa, rather than radical treatment. That statement is a very long way from saying that it doesn't work. I just don't know! There is no need to feel beleaguered by criticism, as all we are doing is asking pertinent questions. You have made assertions about mineral oil working and Apistan not working, but the evidence you have presented actually confuses the issue. There is no need to be offended at questions about dates, infestation levels etc. They are absolutely CRUCIAL in arriving at the correct conclusions, and, without them being accurately recorded throughout a treatment regime, which must include control colonies, conclusions must be regarded as unsafe. Your period on which you are making your assumptions about the treatment is only 2 months long. We know your mite counts at the end of the season, but at least as important are your mite counts before starting the Apistan, and on the day you changed over to the oil treatment. These are not given. Do you have them? They are VERY important when deciding what saved your colonies. For YOUR OWN long term prosperity and success it is vital that you do not arrive at a hasty and possibly erroneous conclusion. You must understand that a good number of us are wholly dependant on bees and their efforts for a living, and some of us are responsible for the livelihoods of employees and their families. We cannot risk all on a treatment which is, despite your faith in your evidence, unproven. Your suggestion that you try a few colonies is eminently sensible. Finally, you made a statement in an earlier post linking fluvalinate and cancer. Myself and another concerned member queried it but you have not stated where you got that evidence. We have a history of cancer in my family and we are naturally very concerned about any such links. You must let us know what this evidence is as it could have a crucial bearing on our future wellbeing. If it is true then I and others need to know, if not then you should not initiate or perpetuate scare stories. Kind regards, Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 11699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:55:55 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3526BA7B.6FF89BA2@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> <$aRaQAAYfKJ1EwiX@denrosa.demon.co.uk> <35266F18.4F702954@starpoint.net> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az5-11.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Apr 04 2:59:15 PM PST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11699 QUESTION: Obviously I have missed much of this thread. The "Mineral Oil" treatment, is that pure mineral oil asis with no essential oil? or is that mineral oil with essential oils? Thanks in advance for the response. I obviously missed the original post on how to do the mineral oil treatment (assuming it is not an essential oil binder). Elroy Rogers wrote: > Murray McGregor wrote: > > > Dear Elroy, > > > > I am impressed by your obvious enthusiasm for the mineral oil treatment. > > > > Article 11700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!newsfeed2.uswest.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.uunet.ca!nntp.igs.net!news.igs.net!not-for-mail From: Niederkorns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen Substitute Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:03:05 -0500 Organization: IGS - Information Gateway Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3526CA39.47FE@cnwl.igs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ttye0b.cnwl.igs.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11700 I was unable to buy any pollen or substitute from the local bee supplier. While this is a lesson to collect some pollen during the summer, does anyone know of a good recipe for the protein without pollen??? Article 11701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!167.142.225.6!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 00:23:18 -0600 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 22 Message-ID: <35272356.EB5D508@hotmail.com> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> <6fos5d$etm$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bd5c2a$12785620$83038ed1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-42.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11701 George Stewart wrote: > The Studies which were documented used hives from the same area with 3 > to 5 > different control groups. > > control group 1-no treatment > control group 2-apistan > control group 3-apistan & oils > control group 4-oils > control group 5-formic acid > > All of the tests confirmed that control group 2 was the only group > that > showed any significant mite reduction. Are you sure? If true, that would seem to indicate that oils are not only useless in controlling mites, but actually inhibit the mite-controlling action of apistan. -Drox Article 11702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35279044.1097@zeus.dpnet.net> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 10:08:04 -0400 From: dean warsing Reply-To: trustno1@zeus.dpnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: thanks barry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dpnet_rs_tcrs34.dataplace.net Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!news.dpnet.net!dpnet_rs_tcrs34.dataplace.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11702 thanks barry ordered 2 paks friday thanks for the info... Article 11703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 12:16:18 -0400 From: Herschel Shamblin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.9.105 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mountain.net!198.77.9.105 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11703 I purchased my first hive in May of 97 after a 20+ year absence from beekeeping.The main reason, for purchasing them, no bees in the area I live all had died from mites.I fed my new hive with a board feeder ingredients were 1 quart sugar-1 quart water and 50 drops wintergreen oil.In the fall of 97 I learned of Dr.Rodriguez treatments with food grade mineral oil. I began this treatment and continue it today. I have yet to use any form of chemical including Apistan. I had two inspections from state bee inspector in 97 , June and October no mites were present.I did not miss the fall honey flow either [Goldenrod]like all the other beekeepers in my area that treat with Apistan.My hive is mite free today. Herschel Shamblin Article 11704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: 5 Apr 1998 16:25:11 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998040516251100.MAA22479@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <67OLoDAkarJ1EwQd@denrosa.demon.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11704 I don't know I may be a fool but I am using Apistan according to the directions and mineral oil when I open a hive for any reason. Of 25 hives that went into winter 24 survived one deadout was 2 august swarms combined so no great loss loss there. And one hive appeared queenless so during the heat wave last week it got a frame of eggs to see what happens or at least stall the drone laying by workers untill some queens come in a few weeks. The heat wave in the Northeast has everyone concerned that the fruit trees will take a big hit from any late frosts. This time of year is normally the last weeks of pruning not the first of bloom. Tom in CT Article 11705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail From: P-O Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: P-O Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:21:38 +0200 Organization: Algonet/Tninet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3527CBB2.861B035D@algonet.se> References: <3525b43a.0@news1.mid-ga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: du81-2.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11705 Chip McCurdy wrote: > Does anybody know what happened to P-O's Page? Hi Chip, I have been asking that myself sometimes.... My old ISP didn't work so well and often caused problems and difficulty to access. Now I'm on a new server that hopefully will be better. You can find me at this URL: http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ Article 11706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mark Epps" <608ec@carolina.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ant problems in hives Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:41:53 -0400 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: line81.carolina.net Message-ID: <3527a4ba.0@208.218.14.44> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!ais.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!208.218.14.44!line81.carolina.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11706 Help, Anyone ever have problems with ants in their hives. I opened two hives this morning to do a routine inspection and found big black ants in one hive . They had started laying transpartent eggs in a corner on my top board. How do you get rid of them? I am afraid to use any kind of poison for fear of it killing the bees. The second hive had small sugar ants. Will the bees be able to eradicated the ants all by themselves? Any advice would certainly be appreciated. Email is 608ec@carolina.net. Thanks, Mark Epps Article 11707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!151.164.30.38!newsgate.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen Substitute Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:07:54 -0500 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35280ECA.1C11@swbell.net> References: <3526CA39.47FE@cnwl.igs.net> Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-48-61.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 891817651 13323 (None) 151.164.48.61 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11707 The "Books" mention soy flour. I've used it, but I don't know that it's better than something else. (It is a vegetable protein, though) Jim Article 11708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant problems in hives Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:37:45 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6g94gr$56l$1@victoria.pe.net> References: <3527a4ba.0@208.218.14.44> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp35.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11708 One time I had pissants that the bees couldn't get rid of, and it turned out that the bees had nested themselves under the tin cover on the top board so getting ride of that top cover got rid of them. If they are coming up from the ground, some beekeepers use mechanical barriers. I stopped them one time by putting the hives on 4 coffee cans and then smearing axel grease around the coffee cans (This was the idea of my friend Mike the Apiculteur). Others have set the hives on concrete piers and smeared grease on the piers. In article <3527a4ba.0@208.218.14.44>, "Mark Epps" <608ec@carolina.net> wrote: >Help, > >Anyone ever have problems with ants in their hives. I opened two hives this >morning to do a routine inspection and found big black ants in one hive . >They had started laying transpartent eggs in a corner on my top board. How >do you get rid of them? I am afraid to use any kind of poison for fear of >it killing the bees. The second hive had small sugar ants. Will the bees >be able to eradicated the ants all by themselves? >Any advice would certainly be appreciated. Email is 608ec@carolina.net. > >Thanks, >Mark Epps > > Article 11709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!fastnet!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant problems in hives Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:09:05 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3528c4f8.30588210@news.usit.net> References: <3527a4ba.0@208.218.14.44> <6g94gr$56l$1@victoria.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.170 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11709 On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:37:45 GMT, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: >One time I had pissants that the bees couldn't get rid of, and it turned out >that the bees had nested themselves under the tin cover on the top board so >getting ride of that top cover got rid of them. If they are coming up from the >ground, some beekeepers use mechanical barriers. I stopped them one time by >putting the hives on 4 coffee cans and then smearing axel grease around the >coffee cans (This was the idea of my friend Mike the Apiculteur). Others have >set the hives on concrete piers and smeared grease on the piers. I sprinkle a small amount of diazonon(I think I spelled that right) around the back and sides of my hives and it has taken care of the problem. Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) Article 11710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3526CA39.47FE@cnwl.igs.net> Subject: Re: Pollen Substitute Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:24:58 -0400 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.30.170 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.30.170 Message-ID: <352820a9.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.161.30.170 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11710 Greetings! go to my beelinks page and you will see the link for pollen sub...http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Niederkorns wrote in message <3526CA39.47FE@cnwl.igs.net>... >I was unable to buy any pollen or substitute from the local >bee supplier. While this is a lesson to collect some pollen >during the summer, does anyone know of a good recipe for >the protein without pollen??? Article 11711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!news.abs.net!mail.bcpl.lib.md.us!ftek From: 12321 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bee Software Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:17:05 -0400 Organization: ABSnet Internet Services, Inc. - (410)-685-2000 - info@abs.net Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11711 http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/soft.htm I can't vouch for this, only passing on the information. Joseph Article 11712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: foundation wire question Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:10:29 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35282B85.1EB12F75@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 19338@208.24.176.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11712 I am starting a hive and am getting bees this weekend. I built the frames and installed Kelly wire foundation, I also decided to add the horizontal wires to it. I strung the wires on both the front and back. My question is do I have to imbed the wire in the foundation or will the bees build through it ? If I do what's the easiest way to do it. Thanks Larry Article 11713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.xcom.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? (And yes, VARROA resistant!) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 12:59:34 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 45 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <6g9as7$1sg@library.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Apr 5 20:24:23 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal34-27.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11713 I will post my question again (hoping for better responses). It seems the first time I posted this question, I only got two responses and both said that the Yugo bee was only advertised as being tracheal mite resistant. This, of course, is WRONG information; because like I thought I remembered, the Yugo bee was (is) also advertised to have VARROA mite resistance. My ORIGINAL question asked WHY this bee hasn't become the singular most popular bee in America (in light of claimed Varroa mite resistance): >Seems like a couple of years ago, I was seeing a lot of >hype from American bee researchers about this newly >developed Varroa resistant bee. Had some kind of >very scientific sounding name like, Y-RS19 (or some >such, equally nebulous nomenclature) -- mainly what I >recall, is the alternate and equally UNscientific name of >'Yugo' bee. >Has it 'caught on' as a popular race of bees in America? > (....and if not, why?). And now from the March 1998 issue of ABJ (Vol. 138, No. 3), page 188: "Taber's Honey Bee Genetics P.O. Box 1672, Vacaville, Ca. 95696 (707)449-0440 FIGHT MITES WITH... PURE YUGOSLAVIAN QUEENS The ARS Y-C1 Carniolan is the Yugoslavian bee imported by the USDA. These quiet, gray/black bees were imported to resist the tracheal mite and Varroa mite." Now that I've established the fact that these Yugo bees have been and presently ARE advertised as being resistant to Varroa mites, I would like to go back to my original question of WHY these bees haven't absolutely taken over the market? BusyKnight Dallas, TX Article 11715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 or 10 frames Date: 6 Apr 1998 10:09:35 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bd5fb6$8b718080$1864afce@default> References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn97-017.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11715 I use 9 in the supers and 10 in the brood chamber. Many times during working through the brood chamber I move several frames at once by sliding them after breaking them loose. BTW keep all 10 tight together in the middle so the outside frames can be easily removed. -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach Honey Company > frames, so my question is, what are the disatvantages or advantages of > using 9 frames instead of 10 in the brood chamber? Article 11716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: 6 Apr 1998 10:08:58 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd5fb4$c6acb040$1864afce@default> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn97-017.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11716 .02 worth, After attending EAS 96 and listening to a presentation by Keith Delaplane, last year I tried once a year, summer application of Apistan with grease patties year round. Winter loss 8%. Location coastal southeast US. -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach Honey Company > Well George how about the magical cure on a strip. Almost everyday I have been > reading post to this news group and the bee-l list of beekeepers losing their > bees. It seems not one of them have been treating with Mineral oil, they have > all been treating with apistan. Beekeepers that have been using mineral oil > have had the normal 10 to 20% loss, most have lost none over winter. Article 11717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!152.158.16.55!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? (And yes, VARROA resistant!) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:40:50 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1998040611405075982@zetnet.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11717 > Now that I've established the fact that these Yugo bees have been > and presently ARE advertised as being resistant to Varroa mites, I > would like to go back to my original question of WHY these bees > haven't absolutely taken over the market? > BusyKnight > Dallas, TX An interesting comment. Could it be that they are not very hardy in the north? Here in the North of Scotland, Varroa has not yet reached us. If the Yugo bees can survive in our climate, it would make sense to re-queen before Varroa strikes. Any comments on the hardiness of the Yugo bee? Phil. Article 11718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.87.106.104!surfnet.nl!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant problems in hives Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:49:34 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998040611493475982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <3527a4ba.0@208.218.14.44> <6g94gr$56l$1@victoria.pe.net> <3528c4f8.30588210@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11718 The message <3528c4f8.30588210@news.usit.net> from rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) contains these words: > I sprinkle a small amount of diazonon(I think I spelled that right) > around the back and sides of my hives and it has taken care of the > problem. > Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) I should think that diazinon would take care of most things! But as it is one of the nastier organo-phosphorus compounds, I don't think I would want it near my hives Phil. Article 11719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Friends and other :-) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:25:50 +0200 Organization: Apimo Biavl Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6gaebh$qca$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp66.rd.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11719 Hello friends and others :-) During the Christmastime I lost my computer and it contents! Thereby setting me 7 month back in work.Well I got my computer back but in bad condition, so I had to start nearly over by scratch. Well nothing is not only bad, so I got fixed a lot of troubles with my software. It was simply my compiler being to old. With help from friendly people I got that up to date, and now on the road is a working software available.(Also on FAT32 systems) the test group is now consisting of 56 people all beekeepers :-) I also got it much more user-friendly, and I don't think that much more can be done in this way. The payment for the software has been discussed by the EDBi foundation an they agreed with me to lower the price to as little as 20USD for a 10 hives registration. Please visit my homepage for more information. regards Jorn Johanesson Beekeeper since 1970 EDBi = Beekeeping software since 1986 homepages http://wn.com.au/apimo http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk Article 11720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Subject: Green mold on comb Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: schebor@acm.org (Frederick Schebor) X-Newsreader: Ink Spot 1.12 for Newton NNTP-Posting-Host: p89.p.aa.ic.net Message-ID: <352851cb.0@news.ic.net> Date: 6 Apr 98 03:53:47 GMT Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p89.p.aa.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11720 I Just finished my first year as a mid-Michigan bee keeper--what a great hobby! Unfortunately I lost one of my hives after the hive stand shifted, tilting the bottom board backward. Rain water from heavy February rains simply pooled on the bottom board, and when normal winter weather returned In March, everything, including the bees (and a trapped mouse) froze solid. When warmer weather returned several weeks ago, I cleaned the hive of dead bees (and the mouse), re-assembled everything and closed up the entrance and ventilation hole. When I returned last week to do an inventory on my other hive (which is doing just fine) I opened up this hive and saw that a green mold covered many of the frames/comb. And now my question: Will a new package of bees clean the mold from the hive for me or must I start over with fresh foundation in new frames? Fred Article 11721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant problems in hives Date: 6 Apr 1998 14:23:22 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998040614232201.KAA01009@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3527a4ba.0@208.218.14.44> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11721 Ants living between the covers are hard to get rid of On the one or two hives I have had that problem with I switched to a migratory type lid with no inner cover. By the way my goldfish loved the ant eggs and pupae that got dumped in their pond from the inner cover. Tom Article 11722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.net.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!not-for-mail From: Gudmund Nielsen Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Coopper oxychloride Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 15:33:51 +0200 Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3528D9BF.43E2@kur.tietgen.dk> References: <01bd4e99$44a26c60$db4d7cc1@default> <3515A489.AD581C48@FT-N.COM> Reply-To: lk050530@kur.tietgen.dk NNTP-Posting-Host: uv8edbpc226.tietgen.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [da] (Win95; I) To: hatfield Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:1193 alt.agriculture.beef:1040 alt.agriculture.fruit:7775 alt.agriculture.misc:9984 sci.agriculture:25006 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11722 sci.agriculture.fruit:1632 sci.agriculture.poultry:4967 sci.agriculture.ratites:1207 hatfield wrote: > > D > sirs, > > Take a look at "www.ft-n.com" and place your business message at > the first and only european site dedicated to fruit, produce, > transportation, > and food-food-non-food on real time basis. > > And we've got more! Join our Web Ring (its free, too), lets form > a Mutual Link. Haven't got a web site, you say? We'll build it and > get it running faster and better priced than anyone! > > Awaiting your reply, > Free Trade Network > web@ft-n.com test Article 11723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest24@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: foundation wire question Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:59:17 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3528EDC4.B8609EF@galstar.com> References: <35282B85.1EB12F75@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star08533.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11723 Larry Williard wrote: > I am starting a hive and am getting bees this > weekend. I built the > frames and installed Kelly wire foundation, I > also decided to add the > horizontal wires to it. I strung the wires on > both the front and back. > My question is do I have to imbed the wire > in the foundation or will > the bees build through it ? If I do what's the > easiest way to do it. > > Thanks > Larry We used a 6 volt battery charger 8amp. to imbed our cross wireing. It only took a few seconds and looked like it was done at the factory. Have fun and bee safe, gw Article 11724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Lip Balm Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 15:40:34 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3528E962.43CC@nt.com> References: <6fomeg$2ao$1@heliodor.xara.net> <6fsejh$c61@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11724 Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > Alison, > Try this: > 4 parts beeswax > 4 parts caster oil > 6 parts almond oil > 2 parts anhydrous lanolin > Use a double boiler over electric heat. (flammable) > Use more oil if to thick. > Use some flavoring if you like. My granddaughter liked strawberry. > Good luck > Pete > Pete, Parts by weight or parts by volume? -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? (And yes, VARROA resistant!) Date: 6 Apr 1998 16:30:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6gavun$839$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11725 In article , BusyKnight wrote: >I will post my question again (hoping for better responses). >It seems the first time I posted this question, I only got two >responses and both said that the Yugo bee was only >advertised as being tracheal mite resistant. This, of course, >is WRONG information; because like I thought I remembered, >the Yugo bee was (is) also advertised to have VARROA >mite resistance. > >My ORIGINAL question asked WHY this bee hasn't become >the singular most popular bee in America (in light of claimed >Varroa mite resistance): The Yugo bee was never tolerant to varroa. Read the papers in the journals again. They found some tolerance to treacheal mites, but nothing to show tolerance to varroa. As for what was *advertised* --Caveat Emptor. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.gte.net!nntp.giganews.com!newsgate.swbell.net!151.164.30.35.MISMATCH!cyclone.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: "Jimmy C. Brown" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pop Syrup Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:51:33 -0500 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35290814.BC4E23E0@swbell.net> References: <352851cb.0@news.ic.net> Reply-To: jbrown2@swbell.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-208-15-145-180.tulsok.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 891880784 21764 (None) 208.15.145.180 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-SBIS-NC404 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11726 I have the to obtain some pop syrup from a local bottling plant. In the past I have heard that some of the commercial bee keepers use pop syrup to feed their bees. The bottling company has agreed to seperate the syrup so that I get only sugared syrup. The diet syrup can go to the hog farmers. I want to know if this syrup is good for my bees. I know that when the kids spill a bottle of pop, the bees are all over it. If this syrup is good for my bees, it will bee a good cheap source of feed to give my bees. The only thing that would be better, would bee if it were free. Thanks Jim Brown Article 11727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: carlbfish@aol.com (CarlB fish) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: foundation wire question Date: 6 Apr 1998 17:25:38 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998040617253800.NAA21091@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3528EDC4.B8609EF@galstar.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11727 Dear Larry, I used to use a 'spur' embedder (ie hand embedder) and sometimes when the wires were not embedded properly I'd get odd comb building around the wires and not over them. I eventually built my own electric embedder and have had no problems since(not knocking the hand embedders..just more tedious)...you just have to be careful not to over heat the wires while embedding though ! Article 11728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!ais.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: carlbfish@aol.com (CarlB fish) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant problems in hives Date: 6 Apr 1998 17:37:03 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998040617370301.NAA25203@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3527a4ba.0@208.218.14.44> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11728 Mark, Get rid of the ants fast before youlose your bees ! Use the stand and oil/grease trick! You have to prevent them from getting in first then get rid of the remaining ones next .I've tried brushing the remaing ants out ...seems to work O.K. if you dont over do it and stress the bees. Main things to prevent them from getting in in the first place. Article 11729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: carlbfish@aol.com (CarlB fish) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: 6 Apr 1998 17:43:50 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998040617435001.NAA26030@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11729 Herschel' I got back into beekeeping after 20 some odd years for the same reasons.I'm not discounting your treatment or its validity,but maybe part of the reason why your bees are mite free is because all the other beekeepers in your area ARE using Apistan ! Maybe ?! Carl Article 11730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.188.0.171!news.tm.net.my!businessman.com From: cash@businessman.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Your very own Cultural homepage ...FREE and earn money from it Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 04:05:20 -0700 Organization: Lines: 16 Message-ID: <070498040520@businessman.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jrc-5-71.tm.net.my Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11730 Your very own Cultural homepage ...FREE and earn money from it . A free 2MB Web site for your homepage just for signing up. The program is a free, at the same time, an easy way for absolutely anyone to earn money, Here's how it works: Become a Partner by signing up It’s completely FREE. http://members.spree.com/lakandula/register.htm We do the work; you get the profits. You won’t have to sell or purchase a thing - we take the orders and handle the customers, shipping, etc. You just take our profits... and a free 2MB Web site just for signing up. http://members.spree.com/lakandula/register.htm No muss, no fuss. sign up now to start earning commissions today - it’s absolutely free, takes only a few minutes, and you can quit at any time. We’ll even register you to win free Internet access for a year. http://members.spree.com/lakandula/register.htm Article 11731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!1-74.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:06:11 -0400 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1-58.skylands.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11731 Hello! I've posted two historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to other mead sites at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! C. Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Article 11732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nucs or Packaged Bees? Which is better to Start With Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:52:43 -0400 Organization: Bell Solutions Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3529085A.C0E26008@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 891897140 6460 (None) 206.172.183.50 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news20.bellglobal.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11732 This is my first year beekeeping, and I have two choices in staring out. Firstly, I am in Sault Ste Marie, and with the early spring this year, I would like to get started early to take advantage of the early season. I have aquired hives with the comb already draw out. But for bees, I can go with N.Z. Bees, that would arrive last week of April or first week of May. The second is to wait for a local breeder to make Nukes And Queens, which would be ready by the 1st week of June, but more likely middle to end of June. I am eager to get established, but I do not want to be too eager and make the wrong decision. I am looking for opinions and input on this subject. Also, would it be better to go with a queen grown from a small local producer, or order in a queen ex:from New Zeland. email sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca. Thank You Allen Banks Article 11733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsfeed.gte.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: 6 Apr 1998 21:26:37 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998040621263701.RAA28420@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11733 How likely is it that isolated new hives may never contract any Varroa Mites? Are there carriers other than honey bees ? I seem to have the only bees around for miles. Article 11734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:08:56 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <35295278.955C5D72@bigfoot.com> References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 3840@208.24.176.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11734 How do you apply the mineral oil? Spray? on the bar? Larry Herschel Shamblin wrote: > I purchased my first hive in May of 97 after a 20+ year absence from > beekeeping.The main reason, for purchasing them, no bees in the area I > live all had died from mites.I fed my new hive with a board feeder > ingredients were 1 quart sugar-1 quart water and 50 drops wintergreen > oil.In the fall of 97 I learned of Dr.Rodriguez treatments with food > grade mineral oil. I began this treatment and continue it today. I have > yet to use any form of chemical including Apistan. I had two inspections > from state bee inspector in 97 , June and October no mites were > present.I did not miss the fall honey flow either [Goldenrod]like all > the other beekeepers in my area that treat with Apistan.My hive is mite > free today. > > Herschel Shamblin Article 11735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "CONRAD TARDIF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant problems in hives Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:24:14 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6gbo6l$s5a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <3527a4ba.0@208.218.14.44> NNTP-Posting-Host: bostonmadp49-115.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 6 Apr 1998 23:24:05 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/27e0fc26a1327570 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11735 Ants thrive on moisture. Your hive cover may be leaking just enough for the ants. Try replacing the cover and also raising the front corner a trifle above the inner cover either with a carpet tack or a twig. Also you might try reversing from front to back (not bottom to top) your inner cover. This reversal will allow the roughness of the propolis that was cracked by the reversal to act as very small moisture escape holes. During the evaporation of the honey less moisture will go up thru the inner cover's center hole. Mark Epps <608ec@carolina.net> wrote in message <3527a4ba.0@208.218.14.44>... >Help, > > Article 11736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:10:13 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <352960D5.90192F4F@ix.netcom.com> References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> <35295278.955C5D72@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az14-22.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Apr 06 6:13:34 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11736 I hear a lot of dialog about the straight mineral oil treatment. I, and others have asked what it is, and answers came there none. Can someone repost the straight mineral oil treatment method for those of us who missed it - thanks. P.S. I do have the essential oil treatment method. Larry Williard wrote: > How do you apply the mineral oil? Spray? on the bar? > Larry > > Herschel Shamblin wrote: > > > I purchased my first hive in May of 97 after a 20+ year absence from > > beekeeping.The main reason, for purchasing them, no bees in the area I > > live all had died from mites.I fed my new hive with a board feeder > > ingredients were 1 quart sugar-1 quart water and 50 drops wintergreen > > oil.In the fall of 97 I learned of Dr.Rodriguez treatments with food > > grade mineral oil. I began this treatment and continue it today. I have > > yet to use any form of chemical including Apistan. I had two inspections > > from state bee inspector in 97 , June and October no mites were > > present.I did not miss the fall honey flow either [Goldenrod]like all > > the other beekeepers in my area that treat with Apistan.My hive is mite > > free today. > > > > Herschel Shamblin Article 11737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: davec@usnetway.net (Better Red Than Dead!!!) Subject: Re: Which magazine, if only one? References: <35244DD5.33B1485E@bellsouth.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:27:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: du78.scr.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:27:40 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11737 In article <35244DD5.33B1485E@bellsouth.net>, Bill Daniels wrote: >Which of the national beekeeping magazines do you recommend for a >beginning beekeeper? There seem to be a couple of "large" ones. If I >only subscribe to one, which should it be? I have read both and think that Bee Culture is better for beginners, which after 5 years I still feel like a beginner...when do I stop? Dave Article 11738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:49:10 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <352969F6.ACA98059@valley.net> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> <$aRaQAAYfKJ1EwiX@denrosa.demon.co.uk> <35266F18.4F702954@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-187.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11738 Elroy Rogers wrote: > > Okay lets assume that you are right Apistan cured the bees of mites. With that said > lets check how valid that statement is. I don't know the dates exactly because I > had no intentions of sharing any info on mineral oil. I did not Know the treatment > even existed until I saw it posted on this news group some time last june. Dr. > Rodriguez is the founder of mineral oil as far as I know it, I had not tried > mineral oil until I saw what he was saying on Bee-chat. Bill Greenrose toke part in > this I know because I saw one of his replies, maybe he can remmember the correct > date of this chat. It was just days later that I started with the mineral oil > treatment. > > > > Elroy sorry, elroy, but i can't tell you the date of that session. i saved it and several subsequent emails from dr. rodriguez, but had a hard drive crash last december that wiped me out [shoulda backed up]. just to add my 2 cents to the thread, i treated all season with mineral oil, following the good doctor's program. however, i also treated with apistan. my logic was to hit 'em low and hit 'em high. figured, if the population was low enough from the apistan, then the physical effect of the m.o. might be enough to kill the survivors. or vice versa. either way, if i could achieve 100% kill, then i could do my part to slow the development of fluvalinate resistant v. mites, at least in my hive. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new pages Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:20:29 -0400 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.29.21 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.29.21 Message-ID: <3529712a.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.161.29.21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11739 Greetings! Tony's "End of Year Summary" is located at:http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Also, George's "Ready or Not-Swarm season" is located on the same page. Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 11740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:54:48 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 29 Message-ID: <35296B48.445E7F58@valley.net> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> <$aRaQAAYfKJ1EwiX@denrosa.demon.co.uk> <35266F18.4F702954@starpoint.net> <3526BA7B.6FF89BA2@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-187.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11740 Simoun wrote: > QUESTION: Obviously I have missed much of this thread. The "Mineral Oil" treatment, is > that pure mineral oil asis with no essential oil? or is that mineral oil with essential > oils? > Thanks in advance for the response. I obviously missed the original post on how to do > the mineral oil treatment (assuming it is not an essential oil binder). > > it is straight food grade mineral oil. the method of application varies, ranging from spraying the entrance of the hive, to placing m.o. soaked paper towels on the frames to placing a bead of m.o. directly on the the top of each frame to...... frequency of application also varies, but the most common cycle appears to be weekly. personally, i use the 'thin bead on the top of every frame in the hive' method with weekly applications. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 or 10 frames Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:58:04 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <35296C0C.16AC2B65@valley.net> References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-187.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11741 Larry Williard wrote: > After not having bees for the last 25 years I decided to put together a > hive again. I ordered my supplies and thought I'd try some frame > seperators. After I got them I discovered they come only in 8 or 9 > frames, so my question is, what are the disatvantages or advantages of > using 9 frames instead of 10 in the brood chamber? > Thanks > Larry i use 11 frames in both my brood deeps and in my supers. but, i have a D.E. hive, which is a little different. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:12:14 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35296F5E.631CFFD2@valley.net> References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> <35295278.955C5D72@bigfoot.com> <352960D5.90192F4F@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-187.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11742 Simoun wrote: > I hear a lot of dialog about the straight mineral oil treatment. I, and others > have asked what it is, and answers came there none. > > Can someone repost the straight mineral oil treatment method for those of us > who missed it - thanks. > > P.S. I do have the essential oil treatment method. > > dr. rodriguez' original treatment method was to place a thin bead of food grade mineral oil along the top of every frame in the hive, both brood and supers. his cycle, if i remember correctly, was every 8 days. this is the method that i used, although i applied the m.o. weekly. you just have to be careful not to apply to much m.o., or else you will kill more than a few bees. once i got the hang of it, i would only lose about a dozen per application [they fall into it and get soaked, or walk into a spot where i applied a tad too much and get soaked, suffocating as a result]. i plan to continue with this method this year [i'm in northern new england, and my season hasn't kicked in, yet.]. i understand that the good doctor has modified his program a little, first using a stationary applicator, and then paper towels/napkins soaked with m.o. don't know the current status of his program [although i'd love to find out.] i might experiment with the paper towel/napkin method. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:08:32 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 48 Message-ID: <352998B0.BBEC064B@bigfoot.com> References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> <35295278.955C5D72@bigfoot.com> <352960D5.90192F4F@ix.netcom.com> <35296F5E.631CFFD2@valley.net> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 29674@208.24.176.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11743 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/mineral_part2.html Here is a link to Dr. Rodregues's explanation of his new method. It is on the Midnight Bees web page, a very informative page. Larry Bill Greenrose wrote: > Simoun wrote: > > > I hear a lot of dialog about the straight mineral oil treatment. I, and others > > have asked what it is, and answers came there none. > > > > Can someone repost the straight mineral oil treatment method for those of us > > who missed it - thanks. > > > > P.S. I do have the essential oil treatment method. > > > > > > dr. rodriguez' original treatment method was to place a thin bead of food grade > mineral oil along the top of every frame in the hive, both brood and supers. his > cycle, if i remember correctly, was every 8 days. this is the method that i used, > although i applied the m.o. weekly. you just have to be careful not to apply to > much m.o., or else you will kill more than a few bees. once i got the hang of it, > i would only lose about a dozen per application [they fall into it and get soaked, > or walk into a spot where i applied a tad too much and get soaked, suffocating as > a result]. i plan to continue with this method this year [i'm in northern new > england, and my season hasn't kicked in, yet.]. i understand that the good doctor > has modified his program a little, first using a stationary applicator, and then > paper towels/napkins soaked with m.o. don't know the current status of his > program [although i'd love to find out.] i might experiment with the paper > towel/napkin method. > > hope this helps, > > bill > > ########################################## > > don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Treatment Debate Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:23:36 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3529AA48.53A6807A@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd5e81$976c6f20$4e218ed1@default> <35243A8B.D8129A1D@starpoint.net> <$aRaQAAYfKJ1EwiX@denrosa.demon.co.uk> <35266F18.4F702954@starpoint.net> <352969F6.ACA98059@valley.net> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az3-17.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Apr 06 9:26:57 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11744 Thank you all for the response on straight mineral oil treatment. I appreciate it. I have applied essential oils in the past in a similar way, and it has caused a curious phenomenon. About two days later, a number of bees go land in front of the hive and huddle together, flat, heads almost touching, forming a star. I have seen this several times. Have other observed this phenomena? Simon Article 11745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant problems in hives Date: 7 Apr 1998 04:59:55 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998040704595501.AAA19770@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6gbo6l$s5a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11745 Book says "They may be driven away by placing salt or powdered sulphar where they congregate"(1). I have also heard of juice cans (tall and thinner) placed inside of coffee cans (shorter and wider) with the bottom broad placed on top of the juice cans and a small amount of used motor oil placed in the bottom of the coffee cans. One in each corner for stablity. This creates a moat effect. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) (1) First lesson in beekeeping, page 115. by C.P. Dadant Article 11746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? (And yes, VARROA resistant!) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:52:24 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6gcbe8$813$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.13 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 07 04:52:24 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11746 In article , busykngt@mail.airmail.net wrote: > like I thought I remembered, > the Yugo bee was (is) also advertised to have VARROA > mite resistance. > > My ORIGINAL question asked WHY this bee hasn't become > the singular most popular bee in America (in light of claimed > Varroa mite resistance): You should find some discussion on the ARS-YC1 (YUGO) bees in the archives. You may duly note in the "research" you mentioned that the blasted buzzards died with about the exact same propensity as did the susceptible stock they were tested against. You mentioned hype - and you duly labelled it correctly via picking that particular term - it was NOT exactly the hallmark of good research. The fact remains however despite it all that ARS-YC1 though it is not worth much in a general way did and perhaps still does have a slight touch of resistance to Varroa - but you had to test a bunch of them to find a couple that this was clearly notable in. When you did test a bunch the main things you noted were the utter lack of consistency in virtually everything you can think of - honey production (serious laggards as a rule with a few notable exceptions), swarming tendency, colony peak population size, winter cluster size, temper (leaning towards mildly testy when crossed on Italian drones as per the normal way sold). NOTE that the USDA NEVER claimed that YUGO was any more than mildly resistant to Varroa and be clearly advised that mildly resistant means you still have to treat for V-mites. If you really want to KNOW why they have not become the single most popular bee in America just give 'em a try. We (HIP Cooperators) tried the first generation post release (closest to pure) - we did glean a couple good queens out of our testing of several hundred - we did NOT ever try them out again. Losing several hundred supers of honey to test a stock out is NOT profitable. Luckily the loss was spread over several Cooperators and was thus not such a burden on just one. Hope that helps alleviate your curiousity, Jack Griffes, Coordinator Honeybee Improvement Program http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nucs or Packaged Bees? Which is better to Start With Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:02:58 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6gcc22$8jf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3529085A.C0E26008@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.13 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 07 05:02:58 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11747 In article <3529085A.C0E26008@sympatico.ca>, sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca wrote: > > This is my first year beekeeping, and I have two choices in staring > out. Firstly, I am in Sault Ste Marie, and with the early spring this > year, I would like to get started early to take advantage of the early > season. I have aquired hives with the comb already draw out. But for > bees, I can go with N.Z. Bees, that would arrive last week of April or > first week of May. The second is to wait for a local breeder to make > Nukes And Queens, which would be ready by the 1st week of June, but more > > likely middle to end of June. I am eager to get established, but I do > not want to be too eager and make the wrong decision. I am looking for > opinions and input on this subject. Also, would it be better to go with > > a queen grown from a small local producer, or order in a queen ex:from > New Zeland. email sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca. > > Thank You Allen Banks > > Allen let me answer your question with a question. How similar is a balmly New Zealand winter to your normally quite rugged Sault Ste. Marie winter? My suggestion would be to get ahold of one of the Ontario Buckfast Breeders and see if you can purchase a nuc from one of them. Meanwhile if you are nearly dead of bee fever already here is the other way to handle the dilema - get the NZ package installed - then about mid-July kill the NZ queen and requeen with a Ontario bred queen such as a Buckfast. That way you get the bees earlier to alleviate all your bee fever troubles and you go into winter with bees more likely to make it (though they may not have had all the time they needed to get ready depending on when your flows are). Best wishes, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!tpgi.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Terry Penrose" Newsgroups: pa.forsale,rec.backcountry,rec.music.country,rec.music.country.old-time,rec.music.country.western,rec.skiing.backcountry,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,tnn.forsal Subject: CATTLE PROPERTY AUCTION, CENTRAL QUEENSLAND AUSTRALIA, 18th April 1998 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 03:22:03 +1000 Organization: A Customer of TPG Internet Pty Ltd Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6gcd3v$18a$5@droppa.tpgi.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: gla-ppp-094.tpgi.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.backcountry:205114 rec.music.country:758 rec.music.country.old-time:23467 rec.music.country.western:150441 rec.skiing.backcountry:15723 sci.agriculture:25012 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11748 sci.agriculture.fruit:1640 sci.agriculture.poultry:4975 sci.agriculture.ratites:1209 CATTLE PROPERTY AUCTION, CENTRAL QUEENSLAND AUSTRALIA, 18th April 1998 FOR MORE INFORMATION CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW. http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/tpenros/ Article 11749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Which magazine, if only one? Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:10:30 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6gccg6$92u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35244DD5.33B1485E@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.13 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 07 05:10:30 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11749 In article , davec@usnetway.net (Better Red Than Dead!!!) wrote: > > In article <35244DD5.33B1485E@bellsouth.net>, Bill Daniels wrote: > >Which of the national beekeeping magazines do you recommend for a > >beginning beekeeper? There seem to be a couple of "large" ones. If I > >only subscribe to one, which should it be? > > I have read both and think that Bee Culture is better for beginners, > which after 5 years I still feel like a beginner...when do I stop? > > Dave I think it is a matter of personal lean. Personally I GREATLY favor American Bee Journal due to its greater lean toward the scientific. I have subscribed to both - oddly enough only the Bee Culture subscription is allowed to lapse around here and it has lapsed a couple times including right now. Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:35:41 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3529BB2A.9CA85F62@starpoint.net> References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> <35295278.955C5D72@bigfoot.com> <352960D5.90192F4F@ix.netcom.com> <35296F5E.631CFFD2@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.237 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11750 Bill Greenrose wrote: > i understand that the good doctor > has modified his program a little, first using a stationary applicator, and then > paper towels/napkins soaked with m.o. don't know the current status of his > program [although i'd love to find out.] i might experiment with the paper > towel/napkin method. Hi bill, I have been in touch with Dr. Rodriguez by email for the last few months, he had not told me what he was up to until just last week. He did ask me not to reveal his experiments yet, he wants to surprise everyone this summer. He is working on a new method using a scientific aproach to his research, with lots of data. He wants to prove once and for all that mineral oil is the best way to treat for v-mites. He is using control hives with no treatment and hives with apistan only. The only thing I will say at this time on the way he is treating with mineral oil is that commercial beekeepers will be the ones that will really benefit from his reseach. I hope his health doesn't give him a lot of problems before he is finished. When I sell my honey this fall I am going to figure what I would have paid for apistan then subtract out what it cost to treat with mineral oil, then send DR. Rodriguez whats left. If I do this at least for 1 year it will reimburse Dr Rodriguez some of the cost he is having to pay out of his own pocket. If I start to operate close to 1000 colonies he will save me close to $6000 anually, if other beekeepers use his method and save a lot of money maybe they will remmember him also. If his experiments are going to workout like I think they will the beekeeping industry is going to owe Dr rodriguez a lot. Have lot of fun this summer Elroy Article 11751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:45:05 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3529BD59.6F8F5E8C@starpoint.net> References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.237 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Herschel Shamblin Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11751 Herschel Shamblin wrote: > I purchased my first hive in May of 97 after a 20+ year absence from > beekeeping.The main reason, for purchasing them, no bees in the area I > live all had died from mites.I fed my new hive with a board feeder > ingredients were 1 quart sugar-1 quart water and 50 drops wintergreen > oil.In the fall of 97 I learned of Dr.Rodriguez treatments with food > grade mineral oil. I began this treatment and continue it today. I have > yet to use any form of chemical including Apistan. I had two inspections > from state bee inspector in 97 , June and October no mites were > present.I did not miss the fall honey flow either [Goldenrod]like all > the other beekeepers in my area that treat with Apistan.My hive is mite > free today. > > Herschel Shamblin Execellent post, there aren't very many that will go the mineral oil path with no backup from Apistan. I am one that has chosen never to use Apistan in my colonies, I feel if I am still around and still increasing by two fold every year they will have to take notice. Hope you'll have a super honey harvest Elroy Article 11752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? (And yes, VARROA resistant!) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:46:08 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 17 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <6gd2s8$47l@library.airnews.net> References: <6gcbe8$813$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Apr 7 06:32:24 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal09-10.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11752 jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > NOTE that the USDA NEVER claimed that >YUGO was any more than mildly resistant to Varroa.... >We (HIP Cooperators) tried the first generation post >release (closest to pure) - we did glean a couple good queens out of our >testing of several hundred - we did NOT ever try them out again. Losing >several hundred supers of honey to test a stock out is NOT profitable. Thanks much Jack! This is the kind of HELPFUL information I was looking for. Appreciate it! BusyKnight Dallas, TX Article 11753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-stkh.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!uninett.no!pravda.tisip.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? (And yes, VARROA resistant!) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:29:43 -0700 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 29 Message-ID: <352A6287.7083@iet.hist.no> References: <1998040611405075982@zetnet.co.uk> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11753 Philip Roger Gurr wrote: >Could it be that they are not very hardy in > the north? Here in the North of Scotland, Varroa has not yet reached > us. If the Yugo bees can survive in our climate, it would make sense > to re-queen before Varroa strikes. > = > Any comments on the hardiness of the Yugo bee? > = > Phil. Dont know a thing about YUGO (ARS-YC1) bees that are an American(?) strain, but I can say that the commonest bee race here in mid-Norway is the Carniolan (A.m. carnica, originaly from northern Yugoslavia, now Slovenia) and it has proved to be quite capable of surviving our winters. In the care of a beekeeper of course! There is NO chance in the wild. Some small scale beekeeping further north again is also based upon carnies. Should add that we dont yet have varroa here except in the far south and nobody there seems to think that carnies are tolerant or resistant. cheers Tony -- = Anthony N Morgan Avdeling for Teknologi H=F8gskolen i S=F8r-Tr=F8ndelag N-7005 Trondheim Article 11754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SOUTHERN ILLINOIS FARM - 190+ ACRES Date: 7 Apr 1998 13:35:13 GMT Organization: a Digital Internet AlphaServer Site Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd622a$0e2fbd00$86ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp04-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11754 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. Call 618-826-3300 colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 11755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: joseNOphj@SPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Which magazine, if only one? References: <35244DD5.33B1485E@bellsouth.net> <6gccg6$92u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:35:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: xx1-13.surf-ici.com Message-ID: <352a3b18.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11755 In article <6gccg6$92u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > >I think it is a matter of personal lean. Personally I GREATLY favor American >Bee Journal due to its greater lean toward the scientific. I have subscribed >to both - oddly enough only the Bee Culture subscription is allowed to lapse >around here and it has lapsed a couple times including right now. > >Jack Griffes >Country Jack's Honeybee Farm > I'm with Jack but it *SEEMED* like the Bee Culture spoke in generalities and certian opinionated 'scientists' used their space as a soapbox rather than an information medium. I also noted the ads were rather thin compared to ABJ. No matter, Mr. Flottum had conversed wiith me on this subject in the past ..much to his credit...and so I just let it lapse. Article 11756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Bluedorn Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: interested in beekeeping Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:51:41 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <352A599D.FD089E2F@muscanet.com> Reply-To: trivium@muscanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 3602@205.217.163.232 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:19 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11756 A friend of mine has interested me in beekeeping. I live in the country and I have a few fruit trees. My friend told me the fruit trees might benefit from the bees. I thought I would try starting one colony this spring and see how it goes. What would be a good book with which I could learn beekeeping basics? Where can I get a starter kit for one colony & much would it cost? Nathaniel B. Article 11757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Lawrence S. Watts" Subject: Death Camas and beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Watts Media Productions Message-ID: <01bd61ad$f4d9e8c0$94cc19c0@lwatts> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.53.177.93 Date: 6 Apr 98 22:41:48 GMT Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.iea.net!207.53.177.93 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11757 I live in washington state in an area where the plant "death camas" lives. It is very poisonous to animals, humans, ans bees. Bees that gather its nectar end up killing their brood and then the entire colony. The pollen in their hives is poisonous, but not the honey. Does anyone have a solution for this problem? I'd be interested in hearing what others have to say. thanks Article 11758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Terri Morrison Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Historical Info wanted Message-ID: <352a9eef.0@concord> Date: 7 Apr 98 21:47:27 GMT Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.131.83 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.103.128.4!terra.net!news.hardlink.com!199.103.243.32!concord!gpudinsta.televar.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11758 I am looking for period documentation (actual historical written or physical evidence) of the process of turning raw honeycomb into the two separate products of beeswax and honey (or honey water for mead making) as was practised in Europe in the 8th thru the 11th centuries A.D. We now call that process honey extraction and have special tools to help us with the sticky task, but back then (in the 700's thru the 1000's) I believe they seperated the wax from the honey by soaking the comb in water, by hanging the comb in a filtering cloth and allowing the honey to drip out and by squeezing the comb between boards to press the honey out. I am looking for actual evidence of these specific methods that may be written down somwhere in an ancient book on beekeeping methods. Please help if you can - and if I should be looking somewhere else for this kind of information - you are welcome to let me know where you think I should go. Thanks Terri Article 11759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Death Camas and beekeeping Date: 7 Apr 1998 22:38:10 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998040722381000.SAA04139@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bd61ad$f4d9e8c0$94cc19c0@lwatts> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11759 Try moving! I lived not far from where you are for many years - man what a smell! Seriously, how about keeping bees outside of the zone. Since a bee only travels about 3 miles (give or take) you could find a place or two, upwind to keep your hives at. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 11760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical Info wanted Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 01:15:11 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6geivk$9n$1@market.pe.net> References: <352a9eef.0@concord> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp12.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11760 Here is Jim Satterfield's site where there is info on a honey press for top bar hive honeycomb: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/press.htm In article <352a9eef.0@concord>, Terri Morrison wrote: >I am looking for period documentation (actual historical written or physical >evidence) of the process of turning raw honeycomb into the two separate > products >of beeswax and honey (or honey water for mead making) as was practised in > Europe >in the 8th thru the 11th centuries A.D. > >We now call that process honey extraction and have special tools to help us >with the sticky task, but back then (in the 700's thru the 1000's) I believe >they seperated the wax from the honey by soaking the comb in water, by hanging >the comb in a filtering cloth and allowing the honey to drip out and by > squeezing >the comb between boards to press the honey out. > >I am looking for actual evidence of these specific methods that may be written >down somwhere in an ancient book on beekeeping methods. > >Please help if you can - and if I should be looking somewhere else for this > kind >of information - you are welcome to let me know where you think I should go. > >Thanks > >Terri > Article 11761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: interested in beekeeping Date: 8 Apr 1998 01:17:51 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: <1998040801175101.VAA04308@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <352A599D.FD089E2F@muscanet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11761 From: Bluedorn >A friend of mine has interested me in beekeeping. I live in the country >and I have a few fruit trees. My friend told me the fruit trees might >benefit from the bees. I thought I would try starting one colony this >spring and see how it goes. > What would be a good book with which I could learn beekeeping basics? > Where can I get a starter kit for one colony & much would it cost? > Nathaniel B. One of the best beginner beekeeping guides by Dr. Keith Delaplane: http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/b1045-w.html For all kinds on info on pollination of fruits see the pollination page in the signature below. We offer a package deal for South Carolina beginners, which consists of a hive, excluder, two supers, and most of the basic tools you need to work the bees for $165. We sell hives in used equipment for $65, in brand new equipment (assembled and painted) for $110. Five frame nucs are $38. You don't say where you are, but prices are probably comparable in the US. I can't say for other areas of the world. You should get them by the end of April in the South, by mid-May in the North. Prices may be a bit higher in the north, as most of the bees are raised in the south and shipped. We don't ship, our stock is for pickup only here in SC. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <352AE7BA.58E2@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:58:02 -0500 From: countrymeadow@ibm.net Reply-To: countrymeadow@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: goldpnr@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees References: <352510D1.58A1@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.134.185 X-Trace: 8 Apr 98 01:51:14 GMT, 129.37.134.185 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 10 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!129.37.134.185 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11762 Phil wrote: > > Anyone know of any sources for carpenter bees? > Thanks > Phil Yes, my work shop has at about a half dozen, which is would love to have somewere else. But they don't come out that easy do they?? Garland Article 11763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:16:33 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <352ACFF0.94849A5F@valley.net> References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> <35295278.955C5D72@bigfoot.com> <352960D5.90192F4F@ix.netcom.com> <35296F5E.631CFFD2@valley.net> <352998B0.BBEC064B@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-232.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11763  

Larry Williard wrote:

http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/mineral_part2.html
Here is a link to Dr. Rodregues's explanation of his new method. It is on the Midnight
Bees web page, a very informative page.

                Larry
 
 

thanks, larry.  i knew i had read that somewhere, but couldn't for the life of me remember the link.

bill

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don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player

bill.greenrose@valley.net [home]
greenros@medicalmedia.com [work]
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397
  Article 11764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment with Mineral Oil and Essential Oils Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:18:53 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 29 Message-ID: <352AD07C.A065BE8F@valley.net> References: <3527AE52.B3328736@access.mountain.net> <35295278.955C5D72@bigfoot.com> <352960D5.90192F4F@ix.netcom.com> <35296F5E.631CFFD2@valley.net> <3529BB2A.9CA85F62@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-232.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11764 Elroy Rogers wrote: > Bill Greenrose wrote: > > > i understand that the good doctor > > Hi bill, > I have been in touch with Dr. Rodriguez by email for the last few months, he had > not told me what he was up to until just last week. > > Have lot of fun this summer > > Elroy thanks for the update, elroy. i look forward to reading about the good doctor's results. take care, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nucs or Packaged Bees? Which is better to Start With Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:12:37 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 53 Message-ID: <352ACF05.66D6431A@valley.net> References: <3529085A.C0E26008@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-232.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11765 sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca wrote: > This is my first year beekeeping, and I have two choices in staring > out. Firstly, I am in Sault Ste Marie, and with the early spring this > year, I would like to get started early to take advantage of the early > season. I have aquired hives with the comb already draw out. But for > bees, I can go with N.Z. Bees, that would arrive last week of April or > first week of May. The second is to wait for a local breeder to make > Nukes And Queens, which would be ready by the 1st week of June, but more > > likely middle to end of June. I am eager to get established, but I do > not want to be too eager and make the wrong decision. I am looking for > opinions and input on this subject. Also, would it be better to go with > > a queen grown from a small local producer, or order in a queen ex:from > New Zeland. email sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca. > > Thank You Allen Banks greetings, don't know where you'd find nucs now, but you might want to give these guys a call for relatively local package bees. i called last week, and will have a 3 lb. package delivered the week of april 20th. coming from minnesota, they should be pretty hardy. B & B HONEY FARM Houston, MN 55943 phone: 507-896-3955 fax: 507-896-3955 jack has suggested how to requeen later in the season. for what it's worth, that is exactly my plan [requeen in july], as i cannot get a hold of any buckfast packages now, but would rather have them than the italians i will be getting. also, i got the number for the apiary from the midnite be website at: http://www.cyberTours.com/~midnitebee/ hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Green mold on comb Date: 8 Apr 1998 02:29:35 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6genef$ltq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <352851cb.0@news.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.167.126 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11766 They will probalbly clean it up. I say probably because nothing is certain with bees. If your other colony is strong why not save some $ and split it instead of buying a package. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Frederick Schebor wrote in article <352851cb.0@news.ic.net>... > I Just finished my first year as a mid-Michigan bee keeper--what a great hobby! > > Unfortunately I lost one of my hives after the hive stand shifted, tilting > the bottom board backward. Rain water from heavy February rains simply pooled > on the bottom board, and when normal winter weather returned In March, > everything, including the bees (and a trapped mouse) froze solid. > > When warmer weather returned several weeks ago, I cleaned the hive of dead > bees (and the mouse), re-assembled everything and closed up the entrance and > ventilation hole. > > When I returned last week to do an inventory on my other hive (which is doing > just fine) I opened up this hive and saw that a green mold covered many of > the frames/comb. > > And now my question: Will a new package of bees clean the mold from the hive > for me or must I start over with fresh foundation in new frames? > > Fred > > Article 11767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!gulfsouth.verio.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!net2phone.com!news From: news@net2phone.com (Net2phone Information) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Warning about the FCC and Internet Taxes Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 1:0:33 -0500 Organization: NET2PHONE Lines: 38 Message-ID: <2557892011633@net2phone.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11767 This is not spam in the strictest sense of the definition, it's about the FCC and more taxes that are looming ahead. 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By going to http://www.net2phone.com you can place as many free calls as you like to Congress and the FCC to demand your right to low-cost communications. We have always viewed the Internet as a fantastic medium to communicate with anyone worldwide at little or no cost. Please do not let the FCC take this right away from you. Please make that free call right now before you lose your right to unfettered Internet access. Thank you, IDT/Net2Phone Management http://www.net2phone.com Article 11768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? (And yes, VARROA resistant!) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:53:52 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <352B9D90.4A62@ultranet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d167.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 8 Apr 1998 15:53:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11768 I keep a hive of Yugo's. Not only are they nasty, but they were crawling with varroa. I think they are resistant to tracheal. THey probably work hard. Perhaps there is a correlation between bad temper and hard work. Regards, Marc Article 11769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!news.cc.ic.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: starlinga Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Future of beekeeping in the UK Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:52:08 +0000 Organization: House of Commons - United Kingdom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <352BC758.3F1@parliament.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: relay.parliament.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11769 I have secured a 1 ½ hour debate about the future of beekeeping in the UK in the House of Commons on the 22 April 1998. This is obviously an excellent opportunity to raise key issues affecting Uk beekeepers in the House and to publicise many of the issues affecting the whole industry. A key aspect of my debate will be the threat of the VARROA MITE on the UK industry. However I also plan to include the general threat to the wider agricultural industry (particularly fruit growers) of a decline in the beekeeping industry. To assist me in ensuring the debate represents the industry in general I would very much welcome any information you may have that would suit the debate. Please contact me: Normana@parliamant.uk or my researcher: starlinga@parliament.uk Tel: 0171 219 5156 Fax: 0171 219 6050 Yours Archie Norman, Member of Parliament for Tunbridge Wells. 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fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.103.128.4!terra.net!news.hardlink.com!199.103.243.32!concord!gpudinsta.televar.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11772 Same vein new and easier question......... Before centrifuge honey extraction How did beekeepers get the honey and the wax separated? Got any ideas? Terri Article 11773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!colt.net!easynet-uk!easynet-tele!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cost of Bee Hives Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 07:23:01 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup1-30.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11773 I am considering starting to keep bees but have been shocked by the cost of the Hives. In the UK between £ 190 (US$ 304.00) and £ 220.00 (US$ 352.00) Around the Bee keepinmg world. What are the prices of Hives and are there preferred designs ? Article 11774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: gmaddux@mail.ptway.com (Greg Maddux) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of Bee Hives Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:45:00 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <352bfd12.38956518@news.ptway.com> References: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 20993@199.176.148.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11774 On Wed, 08 Apr 1998 07:23:01 GMT, snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) wrote: >I am considering starting to keep bees but have been shocked by the >cost of the Hives. In the UK between £ 190 (US$ 304.00) and £ 220.00 >(US$ 352.00) > >Around the Bee keepinmg world. What are the prices of Hives and are >there preferred designs ? Look for a langstoth Hive. New ones in the US are probably about $25 for a deep hive body w/frames. Plus a lid ($15-20) plus a bottom board ($>10). Then can add another Hive body and suppers. Certainly not near $300. Article 11775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!131.96.1.11.MISMATCH!tattler!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: James D Satterfield To: Steve Newport Subject: Re: Cost of Bee Hives In-Reply-To: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> Message-ID: References: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:56:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:56:06 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11775 Try this for an inexpensive alternative: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Jim On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Steve Newport wrote: > I am considering starting to keep bees but have been shocked by the > cost of the Hives. In the UK between =A3 190 (US$ 304.00) and =A3 220.00 > (US$ 352.00)=20 >=20 > Around the Bee keepinmg world. What are the prices of Hives and are > there preferred designs ? >=20 >=20 Article 11776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!167.142.225.6!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Rev Jim" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting honey without extractor Date: 9 Apr 1998 02:25:40 GMT Organization: news.netins.net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd635f$9e235300$250cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> <35296C0C.16AC2B65@valley.net> Reply-To: "Rev Jim" NNTP-Posting-Host: ur37.mebbs.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11776 As a lad about a hundred years ago when we had found honey comb (bee trees being blown over by a storm) we would hang it in a dish towel to let the honey filter out. The still capped comb was put into a canning jar to keep until we had used up the liquid honey. In the poverty of the times it was considered a real treasure. Another family would gently heat the comb and let it cool to solidify the wax and whatever on top. The claim was that if a little comb was put into a canning jar with honey and heated then when it cooled the wax would seal the jar until it was used. In the days of cellars there were always ants who could find honey. Article 11777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: VLynn541@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Display hive? Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:07:11 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6ghe0v$r2u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.131.6 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 09 03:07:11 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; AOL 3.0; Windows 3.1) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ww-wc02.proxy.aol.com:904 (AOL TurboWeb/3.5.0) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11777 We are desperately searching for a display hive for our business...if you have one you are willing to sell, or know someone who is, please e-mail me at VLynn541@aol.com Thank you!! Victoria Arrowhead Orchards -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of Bee Hives Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:25:44 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <352C3FB8.FD256ED7@fcbl.com> References: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 20141@208.24.176.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Steve Newport Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11778 Steve: Do what I did build your own, a couple of 8' x 12" pine boards and a table saw. Cost me about $15.00 for a hive and super, but you still have to buy the frames and foundation. 10 frames about $10.00 and 10 foundation about $10.00. Dont know if UK included bees or not but I bought 3 lb for $40.00. You dont need to finger joint the corners, I used a butt joint. I did mine completly on the table saw. The bees dont know the difference. Here's a link with the measurements of boath type. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Larry Steve Newport wrote: > I am considering starting to keep bees but have been shocked by the > cost of the Hives. In the UK between £ 190 (US$ 304.00) and £ 220.00 > (US$ 352.00) > > Around the Bee keepinmg world. What are the prices of Hives and are > there preferred designs ? Article 11779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help extracting honey without extractor Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:37:52 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <352C4290.C43EE1C6@fcbl.com> References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> <35296C0C.16AC2B65@valley.net> <01bd635f$9e235300$250cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 20141@208.24.176.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11779 I plan to only have 1 double hive, I get the bees this weekend. I dont want to buy an extractor, I bought a cap scratcher. Can anybody give me the best procedure for getting honey from supers without an extractor. Thanks Article 11780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <352be492.0@concord> Subject: Re: Historical Info on Beekeeping Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:38:24 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-239.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <352c6090.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-239.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11780 Terri Morrison wrote in message <352be492.0@concord>... > >Same vein >new and easier question......... > >Before centrifuge honey extraction >How did beekeepers get the honey and the wax separated? > >Got any ideas? > >Terri 1)Squeeze it out, through a cloth. 2) They didn't, they ate the wax (and sometimes brood!) as well. 3) Let it drip. hth John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Article 11781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news1.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <352C7CCE.2ED21B3E@hotmail.com> From: Jeff J X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming References: <3522e2b5.2444505@news.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 07:46:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32-96-36-50.atl.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 02:46:25 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11781 Richard Hall wrote: > I live in east Tennessee and the weather has been great. We have alot > of things blooming and the bees are working like crazy. The first of > Feb I fed each colony a gallon of Fumidil in a 2 to 1 sugar/water > solution. Apparently that got the queen to laying good because now aI > have a deep and 2 shallow supers full of bees at each colony. I > usually don't put on supers until mid April but yesterday I put on med > super of foundation on each colony. Today it was warm so I looked at > the brood frames in the btm deep box and found several queen cells and > some were capped. Any suggestions on swarm prevention? It's been a few years. I am just getting back into this hobby again. However the method I used that always worked was to remove the queen cells. With a brush evict all the bees above the box with the queen a few feet away from the hive. Then after they recover from that event requeen and make two hives outa one stack. I never had anybody swarm. Article 11782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical Info on Beekeeping Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 07:23:27 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <352c7563.156043743@news.earthlink.net> References: <352be492.0@concord> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.202 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11782 Terri Morrison wrote: >Before centrifuge honey extraction >How did beekeepers get the honey and the wax separated? The centrifugal extractor was developed in Europe (variously atrributed to Germany and Italy) in the 1860's, as best I can tell. The 1895 edition of the book ABC of Beekeeping reads: "Sometimes honey is removed in a press. But this method, besides destroying comb,was so very crude that it has practically gone out of practice." The absence of pure-food laws and the fixed-comb design of earlier hives seemed to have also resulted in more comb honey sales than we see today (relative to extracted honey). Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 11783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!130.185.14.35!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help extracting honey without extractor Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:21:07 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 11 Message-ID: <352CA113.31B9@nt.com> References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> <35296C0C.16AC2B65@valley.net> <01bd635f$9e235300$250cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> <352C4290.C43EE1C6@fcbl.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11783 Larry Williard wrote: > > I dont want to buy an extractor, I bought a cap scratcher. Is hiring an extractor a possibility where you are? -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news.fundp.ac.be!mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be!user From: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be (Benoit MARTIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey and cavcities ? Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:24:52 +0200 Organization: F.U.N.D.P - Cellular Biochemistry Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11784 In the last time, bee honey has become the target of a severe criticism. A widespread campaign and some interviews on radio and T. V. have tried to soil the honey image assigent from the mists of time. We, bee biologists, beekeepers and user who protect honey, have the constant tast to defend us agains the slander inceasingly repeated about bee honey. More than 90 % of the civilized country suffer currently from dental cavities. The cavities procure an example of disease binded to the alimentary. the present also the expensivest disease binded to alimentary that cost have evalued at 16,5 milliards DM only in Germany. The primitive people, living in permanent contact with nature, would have had - as the skull finding shows it - rarely cavities, while in the current period of overalimentary, it is difficult to find a denture without cavities. I'd like to receive your opinion on this topic (the relationship between honey and cavities). Do you know where I can find some research on honey and cavities formation ? Are there some publications on this topics (on species forming cavities - on different animal labs on which experiments are carried out - on the honey effect on the bacterion species forming cavities,Š) ? Thanks for your help. Your faithfully. -- Benoit MARTIN Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be Article 11785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of Bee Hives Date: 9 Apr 1998 16:34:43 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998040916344301.MAA02933@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11785 Recently had to figure this.... Single body hive complete with foundation is $90 PLUS a days work for assembly. Add shipping from the midwest onto that. That gives you everything but a coat of paint. Chuck Hunter Article 11786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help extracting honey without extractor Date: 9 Apr 1998 16:34:34 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998040916343401.MAA05550@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <352CA113.31B9@nt.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11786 On our 2 hives, we keep comb honey, but we also have supers with wired foundation. We just scrape the comb down to the foundation, let it drain a little and give it back to the bees to clean and re-use. We strain the honey through a wire screen strainer( std kitchen type), then when we accumulate a bunch of wax, we put it in a low temp double boiler to melt it without changing the flavor, then peel off the wax when cool. The remaining honey may not be as tastey as fresh, but we feed it back or make soap if it is un-appealling. Chuck Hunter Article 11787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.mad.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: "met" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: height beehive Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:26:11 +0200 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6gisf7$gue$1@talia.mad.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp213.198.redestb.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11787 I would like to know wich is the correctely height that must put the beehive. thanks. Article 11788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!news.starnet.net!not-for-mail From: "M. C. Michel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee biology questions Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:28:52 -0500 Organization: Snap Shot Lines: 17 Message-ID: <352CE934.C66D05E6@pbmo.net> References: <351B022C.89B928D2@athens.net> Reply-To: cmichel@pbmo.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-134.semo.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11788 John, Well, you have not quite have all the information....... Queens: thay mate within the first couple of weeks after hatching. they take not much more than a few mating flights ( one often, mabe as many as 5). At that time they will mate with up to 15 drones. She then returns to her colony...that is it...no more. Her drones are never a factor... You can have mating with "herself" in lab conditions, but that is a different story. Chris Michel Volant Faciunt, Floremus (they fly, they make WE prosper) Article 11789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of Bee Hives Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:34:59 -0600 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 17 Message-ID: <352CF8B3.3B079F77@mines.edu> References: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11789 Steve Newport wrote: > I am considering starting to keep bees but have been shocked by the > cost of the Hives. In the UK between £ 190 (US$ 304.00) and £ 220.00 > (US$ 352.00) > > Around the Bee keepinmg world. What are the prices of Hives and are > there preferred designs ? I just received a flyer from Mannlake, a US bee products distributor, and they advertised 55 US dollars for a deep brood chamber with bottom board, hive cover with inner cover, 10 frames and 10 sheets foundation. Unassembled. Article 11790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical Info on Beekeeping Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:40:48 -0600 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 29 Message-ID: <352CFA10.878E9F@mines.edu> References: <352be492.0@concord> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11790 Terri Morrison wrote: > Same vein > new and easier question......... > > Before centrifuge honey extraction > How did beekeepers get the honey and the wax separated? > > Got any ideas? > > Terri In the past I have simply cut combs from frames, mashed them well in a large pot, and heated them carefully on the stove until the wax melted. Then I put the whole pot in the refrigerator and the wax solidifies and can be peeled off the top of the honey. It does leave a bit of fine wax particulate in the honey which will rise out over a period of months of storage, but this can be easily skimmed off the top of the storage jars. The gourmet's will tell you that the heating will destroy the flavor of the honey, but I guess my palate is just not that discriminating because I have never noticed any difference. Brian Allen Article 11791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!128.223.220.26.MISMATCH!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical Info wanted Date: 8 Apr 1998 17:19:47 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6ggbjj$s5b@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <352a9eef.0@concord> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11791 Try rec.foods.historic or a related group. As well, try a deja news search on mead. There's a lady who's self-published a book on mead (posted on this newsgroup) who may have the answer. Don't recall her name but she's from NJ. In a previous article, tmorris@gcpud.org (Terri Morrison) says: >levar.com > >I am looking for period documentation (actual historical written or physical >evidence) of the process of turning raw honeycomb into the two separate products >of beeswax and honey (or honey water for mead making) as was practised in Europe >in the 8th thru the 11th centuries A.D. > >Please help if you can - and if I should be looking somewhere else for this kind >of information - you are welcome to let me know where you think I should go. -- Article 11792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.idt.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!1-52.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical Info wanted (long) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:04:48 -0400 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 110 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1-55.skylands.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11792 Hello! I think Mr. Yarnell was referring to me. The notes I have at hand are from sources much later than Mr. Morrison requested. In these quotes from 16th-17th c. English sources, you will see that the best honey was allowed to drip out of the combs. After whatever dripped of its own accord was collected, the rest was pressed out. The combs were then washed in water to remove the honey that still remained, and the sweetened water was used to make mead. "#3 SOME NOTES ABOUT HONEY ­ 1669 The Honey of dry open Countries, where there is much Wild-thyme, Rosemary, and Flowers, is best. It is of three sorts, Virgin-honey, Life-honey, and Stock-honey. The first is the best. The Life-honey next. The Virgin-honey is of Bees, that swarmed the Spring before, and are taken up in Autumn; and is made best by chusing the Whitest combs of the Hive, and then letting the Honey run out of them lying upon a Sieve without pressing it, or breaking of the Combs. The Life-honey is of the same Combs broken after the Virgin-honey is run from it; The Merchants of Honey do use to mingle all the sorts together. The first of a swarm is called Virgin-honey. That of the next year, after the Swarm was hatched, is Life-honey. And ever after, it is Honey of Old-stocks. Honey that is forced out of the Combs, will always taste of Wax. Hampshire Honey is most esteemed at London. About Bisleter there is excellent good. Some account Norfolk honey the best." (From Digby, Sir Kenelme. The Closet of the Eminently Learned Sir Kenelme Digby Kt. Opened: Whereby is Discovered Several ways for making of Metheglin, Sider, Cherry-Wine, &c. Together with Excellent Directions for Cookery: As al†o for Pre†erving, Con†erving, Candying, &c. Publi†hed by his Son¹s Con†ent. Printed by E. C. for H. Brome, at the Star in Little Britain. London, 1669.) ³Make your Metheglin as soon as ever you take your Bees; for if you wash your combs in the water you boil your herbs in, when it is cold, it will sweeten much. But you must afterwards strain it through a cloth, or else there will be much wax.² (Digby, #75.) Speaking of a less than desirable mead: "There is a kind of swish-swash made also in Essex and divers other places with honeycombs and water... Truly it is nothing else but the wathing of the combs, when the honey is wrung out..." (From Harrison, William. The Description of England. 1587, p. 140. A new edition by Georges Edelen, subtitiled: ³The Classic Contemporary Account of Tudor Social Life,² is available from the Folger Shakespeare Library and Dover Publications, Inc. Washington, D.C., and New York, 1994.ISBN:0-486-28275-9 Edelen¹s edition has somewhat modernized spelling and is very well annotated. The book contains descriptions of most facets of Tudor life, including directions for cultivating saffron, brewing beer, etc.) "Our honey is also taken and reputed to be the best, because it is harder, better wrought, and cleanlier vesseled up than that which cometh from beyond the sea, where they stamp and strain their combs, bees, and young blowings [egg, larvae] altogether into the stuff..." (Harrison, p. 337) Other places to look: Pliny the Elder. "Natural History." c. 77 A.D. H. Rackham, ed. Rpt. The Loeb Classical Library. Harvard Univ. Press. Cambridge, Massachusetts, 1983. The writings of Charlemagne regarding the ordering of his estates; Athenaeus. "The Deipnosophists, or The Sophists at Dinner." Tr. by Charles Burton Gulick. Wm. Heinemann, Ltd. London. G.P. Putnam¹s Sons. New York, 1927. Ed. by E. Capps, T.E. Page, W.H.D. Rouse. The Loeb Classical Library. 7 volumes dating from circa 228 A.D., containing a great deal of information on the wines and foods of ancient Greece, Rome, and Egypt. Butler, Charles. "The Feminine Monarchie or A Treatise Concerning Bees, and the Dve Ordering of Them, etc." Printed by Io†eph Barnes. Oxford, 1609. Rpt. Theatrum Orbis Terrarum Ltd. Amsterdam, 1969. HTH, Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More, A Collection of 15th Century Recipes" and "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ >From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) >Try rec.foods.historic or a related group. As well, try a deja news >search on mead. There's a lady who's self-published a book on mead <(posted on this newsgroup) who may have the answer. Don't recall her name >but she's from NJ. >In a previous article, tmorris@gcpud.org (Terri Morrison) says: >levar.com > >I am looking for period documentation (actual historical written or physical >evidence) of the process of turning raw honeycomb into the two separate products >of beeswax and honey (or honey water for mead making) as was practised in Europe >in the 8th thru the 11th centuries A.D. > >Please help if you can - and if I should be looking somewhere else for this kind >of information - you are welcome to let me know where you think I should go. -- Article 11793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.giganews.com!newsgate.swbell.net!151.164.30.35.MISMATCH!cyclone.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: height beehive Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:58:29 -0700 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 15 Message-ID: <352D1A55.1BB@swbell.net> References: <6gisf7$gue$1@talia.mad.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-49-162.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 892141107 17525 (None) 151.164.49.162 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11793 met wrote: > > I would like to know wich is the correctely height that must put the > beehive. > > thanks. anywhere between ground level and about 30 ft. (the bees probably don't care) Seriously, about 1-2 ft above ground level (depending on number of supers) allows working without bending over, or reaching too high. Jim Article 11794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of Bee Hives Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998040919432901.PAA01075@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 1998 19:43:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <352CF8B3.3B079F77@mines.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11794 How about a number there sport. Sounds like good competion to the high dollar guys. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 11795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EAS Conference Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:18:40 -0400 Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.219 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.219 Message-ID: <352d10d6.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.219 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11795 Greetings! 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Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 11796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.76.137!news.campus.mci.net!uky.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!tattler!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: James D Satterfield Subject: Re: Help extracting honey without extractor In-Reply-To: <1998040916343401.MAA05550@ladder03.news.aol.com> Message-ID: References: <352CA113.31B9@nt.com> <1998040916343401.MAA05550@ladder03.news.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 5 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 20:12:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:12:28 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11796 the tbh webpage at http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm describes ways of getting honey out of comb. Photos of a press are shown. Jim Article 11797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? (And yes, VARROA resistant!) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:56:04 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 63 Message-ID: <6gj5k4$p9j$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <352B9D90.4A62@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 09 18:56:04 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11797 In article <352B9D90.4A62@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: > > I keep a hive of Yugo's. Not only are they nasty, but they > were crawling with varroa. Virtually any Carnica virgin bred to Italian drones will head a less than friendly colony. This is the typical way YUGO mated queens are sold - pure virgins grafted off AI "breeder" queens naturally mated in areas where predominantly Italian drones fly. In our testing of their Varroa resistance less than a handful out of a couple hundred had a notable level of observable Varroa resistance. It should be CLEARLY spelled out that we did NOT test the laggards (a bunch of them) for Varroa resistance - we only tested the comparatively high producers. >I think they are resistant to tracheal. Yes they are that. > THey probably work hard. A few did - most did not. Daughters of one Yugo descent queen (O.K.) we used as a breeder made 150 lb/average of Orange Blossom honey in FL - then came up to MI and despite much time in pollination made another 60lb/avg. BUT that queen was the exception to the Yugo rule by FAR as most of the YUGO's we tested weren't worth having in the equipment even to just keep the wax moth's at bay. O.K. was second generation - bred in a isolated yard to other seemingly resistant colonies - that cross worked WELL (not all do). ---O.K. was the queen's "name" given to tell us where she came from and where she was mated---- >Perhaps there is a correlation between > bad temper and hard work. This is a common beekeeper myth - trouble is it flatly ain't the way it is. Temper and foraging zeal are not correlated. As an example - one year the absolute best colony in my test yard was so gentle you needed no smoke and no veil even if taking 'em down to the toenails - they would not even be threatening you at all. Colonies that were of poorer temper got smoked on comb drawing and honey production by them ultra gentle bees. This myth like many others gets passed along at least partly because those real snots that are likewise great producers are VERY memorable. When you run into one like that be sure you are looking at things accurately too - did you treat that snotty colony EXACTLY the same as the rest IN THAT YARD - did the same manipulations, the same day, etc. OR did you skip a few to save yourself stings? Could a change in management explain some part of the difference IOW? Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Lawson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of Bee Hives Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:49:11 +0100 Organization: Electric Memo Ltd Lines: 26 Message-ID: <352D5067.53E9@electricmemo.com> References: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: markl@electricmemo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-99-50-2.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11798 Steve Newport wrote: > = > I am considering starting to keep bees but have been shocked by the > cost of the Hives. In the UK between =A3 190 (US$ 304.00) and =A3 220.0= 0 > (US$ 352.00) > = > Around the Bee keepinmg world. What are the prices of Hives and are > there preferred designs ? I got my first hive from a guy near Devizes UK last May, he only charged me =A370 with bees. Rgds, Mark -- = Electric Memo Ltd. = Web: www.electricmemo.com Email: markl@electricmemo.com Article 11799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hicksray@aol.com (Hicks Ray) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need bee book Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998041000165001.UAA13046@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Apr 1998 00:16:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11799 I need a bee book that is called "The Art & Adventure of Beekeeping" by Ormond & Harry Aebi. If you have it contact me at HicksRay@aol.com Article 11800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nucs or Packaged Bees? Which is better to Start With Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 20:05:48 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 36 Message-ID: <352D625C.C584A5A@ne.mediaone.net> References: <3529085A.C0E26008@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11800 sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca wrote from Sault Ste Marie: > ...I have two choices in staring out. for bees, I can go with > N.Z. Bees, that would arrive last week of April or first week of May. > The second is to wait for a local breeder to make Nukes And Queens, > which would be ready by the 1st week of June, but more likely middle > to end of June. Allen, It sounds like you have already found the Ontario Queen Breeders and their tracheal mite resistant stock. I say this because the Ontario queen breeders get many of their mother queens from New Zealand stock that has been *tested* for resistance by Dr. Medhat Nasr. Forgive me if I have assumed too much... If those are your two choices, either will do quite well. My understanding of the reason that the Ontario queen breeders don't distribute queens until early June is because that is when strong honey flows are on and the weather is best suited for mating. If you are not dealing with an active member of the Ontario Breeding Program, then find out what the breeding regimens are of the local breeder. How many colonies are selected as breeders.. from how many colonies overall?? What are the selection criteria? Bees bred with not enough genetic diversity are doomed to failure.. local or not. If both sources are genetically diverse and selected for something you think is a positive attribute (ie: tracheal mite resistance, early build-up, hygenic behaviour, voracious nectar collection, etc.) then local can be better for the reason of weather that Jack mentioned. If you're not sure whether the local breeder is a member of the Ontario breeders program, ask Dr. Nasr.. his e-mail is mnasr@evbhort.uoguelph.ca. Good luck! Kathy Article 11801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35252464.4A79@zeus.dpnet.net> Subject: Re: need bees!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:51:34 -0400 Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-22.cvl.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-22.cvl.hom.net Message-ID: <352d7c63.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.oru.edu!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!pm3-1-user-22.cvl.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11801 Try this Man: Rose Creek Honey Farm Billy Engle 1101 Rocky Bottom Road The Rock, GA 30285 (706) 647-8964 Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Honey Co. 1304 Davis Avenue Perry, GA 31069-2704 (912) 987-1304 http://GEORGIAHONEY.com BeeMan@Georgia.com SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA OCTOBER 9th - 18th 1997 DEAN WARSING wrote in message <35252464.4A79@zeus.dpnet.net>... >discovered yesterday that w.t.kelley is out of packaged bees...does >anyone know of a supplier that still has bees....i live in maryland so i >would need a east coast suppier..... Article 11802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of Bee Hives Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 03:25:26 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6gk3bl$7gf$1@victoria.pe.net> References: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> <1998040916344301.MAA02933@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp03.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11802 In article <1998040916344301.MAA02933@ladder01.news.aol.com>, chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) wrote: >Recently had to figure this.... Single body hive complete with foundation is >$90 >PLUS a days wor For my top bar hive I bought a sheet of rough plywood for $8 and had the cuts made at the lumber company for the box for $2 more and bought lenghts of wood for the top bars for $2 more, and I put it together real fast with wallboard screws and Elmer's glue. The top bars took a little time to route a groove down the middle with the radial arm saw (I hear that table saws are even easier to make the groove. The groove is to put a strip of foundation to encourage the bees to draw the comb down from the middle of the top bar. Article 11803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998040914140501.KAA19144@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 1998 14:14:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <352C7CCE.2ED21B3E@hotmail.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11803 My first question is - How old is your queen? You should have two brood chambers on each hive. Dividing and requeening is of course one way to go. However, if you do this during your flow your cutting your work force drasticly. Not my first choice. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 11804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!chicago-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!newshost.cyberramp.net!rexsmith From: purple-dragon@usa.net (Purple Dragon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 04:56:52 GMT Organization: Purple Dragon's House of Magickal Wines Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6gk8gi$h39$1@newshost.cyberramp.net> References: <352045b5.4919709@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal-tsa1-27.cyberramp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11804 I remember seeing on CNN, a few years ago, a spotlight in which a Japanese beekeeper was doing research on treatments for arthritus (sp?). He had arthritus, himself, and would hold a few bees to his skin and let them sting him in the flow of his bloodstream that was going towards the joint that was aching... He claimed that the venom actually reduced the swelling of the arthritic joints and releived the pain (It could have just made the illusion of reduced pain & swelling, though) You might do some searches on those combinations.... Rex Smith In article <352045b5.4919709@news.pavilion.net>, snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) wrote: >Can anyone suggest good literature concerning the collection and use >of Bee Venom ? Article 11805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help extracting honey without extractor Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:56:35 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <352CEFB3.18FE7443@fcbl.com> References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> <35296C0C.16AC2B65@valley.net> <01bd635f$9e235300$250cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> <352C4290.C43EE1C6@fcbl.com> <352CA113.31B9@nt.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 18094@208.24.176.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: adrian.kyte@nt.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11805 As far as I know there is no other bee keeper around, I've lived here 8 years and haven't seen another hive. Ever here the song "Out in the Boon Docks"? I figured I'd just scratch the caps off and let the honey drain in a tub, Maby I could build something to hold the frame and use my electric drill to spin the comb.(slow) Larry Adrian Kyte wrote: > Larry Williard wrote: > > > > I dont want to buy an extractor, I bought a cap scratcher. > > Is hiring an extractor a possibility where you are? > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} > I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. > All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. > work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com > home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:16:48 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 21 Message-ID: <352DC75C.F44D48E0@starpoint.net> References: <352045b5.4919709@news.pavilion.net> <6gk8gi$h39$1@newshost.cyberramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.248 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11806 Check out this site http//:www.beesting.com Purple Dragon wrote: > I remember seeing on CNN, a few years ago, a spotlight in which a > Japanese beekeeper was doing research on treatments for arthritus (sp?). > He had arthritus, himself, and would hold a few bees to his skin and let > them sting him in the flow of his bloodstream that was going towards the > joint that was aching... He claimed that the venom actually reduced the > swelling of the arthritic joints and releived the pain (It could have just > made the illusion of reduced pain & swelling, though) > > (Steve Newport) wrote: > >Can anyone suggest good literature concerning the collection and use > >of Bee Venom ? Article 11807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.he.net!katana!not-for-mail Message-ID: <352E1B66.50B462CC@mis.net> From: michael Reply-To: mfsnky@mis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Painting hive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:15:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.103 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:15:24 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11807 Hello. I'm a soon to be beekeeper. Hives are on the way. Do they realy need to be painted? Article 11808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: ktomkin@earthlink.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NJ Package Bees? Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:56:21 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <352f16d9.6295872@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.35.5.209 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11808 Anyone have a source for package bees in NJ? ken tompkins Article 11809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "Ian Lawson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mad French Bee?? Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:45:49 -0000 Organization: IL Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6gletm$9tu$1@heliodor.xara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.27.71 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11809 Does any one have any information about this subject, apparently reported on the radio recently, I believe about Bees feeding on Sunflowers which had been treated with a pesticide, and then the Bees not being able to return to the Hive? Any further details greatfully received. Thanks. Ian Lawson. Article 11810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.94.128.13!news.javanet.com!not-for-mail From: "HAG" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting hive Date: 10 Apr 1998 15:26:37 GMT Organization: JavaNet Cafe Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bd6495$b85dc660$1b925ed1@dakota> References: <352E1B66.50B462CC@mis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: me-portland-us112.javanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11810 Most hives in the US are 1-inch nominal pine, which is really 3/4 inch pine, if the mill didn't cheat you. It is untreated, of course. Depending on your local climate, this stuff rots fast, especially at any exposed end grain. A quart of good exterior latex should cost you less than 10 bucks, a minor investment compared to what that hive cost you. With a little luck and proper care, you should have bees in there for many years, as long as their home survives. -- HAG michael wrote in article <352E1B66.50B462CC@mis.net>... > Hello. I'm a soon to be beekeeper. Hives are on the way. Do they > realy need to be painted? > > Article 11811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad French Bee?? Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:15:08 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <352e7d5f.17609337@news.jps.net> References: <6gletm$9tu$1@heliodor.xara.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.28 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.28 Lines: 91 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.225.28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11811 Thursday April 9 2:06 PM EDT 'Mad bee' disease probed in France UPI Science News PARIS, April 9 (UPI) _ The French government today moved to combat an outbreak of what's being called ``mad bee'' disease, which the scientific community says is killing millions of honeybees in western France. With half the money coming from the European Union, the French ministries of agriculture and environment said today a total $1 million will be spent to find out why the honeybees are dying. A high bee kill was first reported last summer by beekeepers who said increasing numbers of bees became disorientated and failed to return to their hives after gathering pollen and nectar from sunflowers. Beekeepers in the region call the malady ``mad bee'' disease and blame it on a widely used insecticide that the beekeepers say is destroying the insects' sense of direction. They report the phenomenon has drastically affected the region's bee population and dramatically reduced production of area's famed honey by 60 percent. That's more than a third of France's total output. At issue is what the Ministry of Environment reports may be the insecticide,Gaucho, produced by the German agrochemical company Bayer SA. It is used to protect sunflowers from parasites. Ministry spokesman Andre Lesireux said this morning, ``The research will tell us why the bees turn crazy and die.'' The beekeepers say only those insects collecting nectar from sunflowers appear to be affected. The Bayer group has agreed to contribute 5 percent of the total cost of research. Franck Allaitru of the FDSEA agriculture union said in Paris today ``A poisoning problem from insecticide is the only explanation for the behaviour of the bees and their systematic disappearance during the first week that the sunflowers bloom.'' Regional authorities have already suspended use of Gaucho in three areas of western and central France - the Vendee, Indre and Deux-Sevres. The research initiative, reported earlier in the newspaper Ouest- France, will determine if the bees in those areas recover. But the French Green Party has demanded the product be removed entirely from the market. Gaucho first went on sale in 1994. The producer says Gaucho is based on imidaclopride, a chemical which acts on the nervous systems of a wide variety of pests, including wireworm and aphids. Bayer SA defends the product as the most widely used sunflower insecticide in France and insists ``the accusations have no scientific foundation.'' Bayer SA French marketing director Bruno Feldrops says imidaclopride has been used in more than 70 countries and was subjected to rigorous testing. _- Ripped off the United Press via Yahoo All rights reserved _- Help Important Disclaimers and Legal Information Questions or Comments? On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:45:49 -0000, "Ian Lawson" wrote: >Does any one have any information about this subject, apparently reported on >the radio recently, I believe about Bees feeding on Sunflowers which had >been treated with a pesticide, and then the Bees not being able to return to >the Hive? Any further details greatfully received. Thanks. > >Ian Lawson. > (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 11812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.he.net!katana!not-for-mail Message-ID: <352E8E31.8416B475@mis.net> From: michael Reply-To: mfsnky@mis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting hive References: <352E1B66.50B462CC@mis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:25:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:25:10 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11812 Thank you all it seems to be unanimous. I thought for the money I'd be getting pressure treated wood. Article 11813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news1.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> <1998033123255801.SAA15740@ladder03.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 03:08:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-116-239.cha.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:08:26 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11813 CarlB fish wrote in message <1998033123255801.SAA15740@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >>If the JASCO is no good, can anyone suggest brand names, >>so I can shop for this with a bit more confidence? > >I like to use plain 'ol exterior latex paint ( any brand) ,most commercial >beekeepers I know have been using white exterior grade latex paint. Its >relatively non-toxic to both bees and beekeeper. For my Home /hobby hives I >like the natural appearance of wood. Ive been using a new water base exterior >varnish from Varathane under the brand name of ' diamond finish' . It looks >great and dries in two hours !...thats if you like the natural look. Last year at a seminar I attended, the featured speaker on hive building and preservation was a carpenter/beekeeper from Louisiana. He treats his hives with oil stain and says they last many years in a damp swamp. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net Article 11814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news1.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> <1998032816252801.LAA15165@ladder01.news.aol.com> <351FF63E.E9B98955@ne.mediaone.net> <6fq1lu$9a8$2@lasierra.pe.net> <35210E3B.6BF4084B@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <2jBX.1578$Be.1768702@news1.atl.bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 03:19:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-116-239.cha.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:19:26 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11814 Kathy wrote in message <35210E3B.6BF4084B@ne.mediaone.net>... >Peter Amschel wrote: > >> In article >> >> >What would indicate that a top bar >> >hive would be more effective in varroa control?? >> > I have both Top Bar Hives and Langstroth hives in the same beeyard. Last I broke my ankle and was about a month late getting Apistan in the hives. I had considerable losses due to the lateness of the treatment. The Top Bar hives percentage wise fared worse than the Langstroth. All hives had grease patties in them all Spring and Summer. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net Article 11815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how tall can a hive bee? Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:14:17 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 5 Message-ID: <352EEE19.1AD1@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d180.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 11 Apr 1998 04:14:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11815 Does anyone know the answer to how many supers tall a hive can be, max? Can you make a bee skyscraper? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 11817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!europa.clark.net!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sciras@aol.com (Sciras) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: height beehive Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998041113204101.JAA03768@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Apr 1998 13:20:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <352D1A55.1BB@swbell.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11817 The height of cement blocks is ok. ground level not good because of flooding, etc. Article 11818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of Bee Hives Date: 11 Apr 1998 13:38:03 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bd6550$c3635d20$b8f135ce@spooky> References: <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-004-24.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11818 In the US a complete hive is about $50 USD. A complete hive includes brood chamber, 10 frames, inner cover, top cover, bottom board & entrance reducer. A shallow super with 10 frames is about $15 USD. This is build yourself ordered from The Walter T. Kelley Bee Co. in Kentucky. If we were facing your prices I'm not sure we would've chosen to do this. Good luck! Julie Indiana, USA Steve Newport wrote in article <352b2543.11513859@news.pavilion.net>... > I am considering starting to keep bees but have been shocked by the > cost of the Hives. In the UK between £ 190 (US$ 304.00) and £ 220.00 > (US$ 352.00) > > Around the Bee keepinmg world. What are the prices of Hives and are > there preferred designs ? > Article 11819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.6!news2.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: FRANK-JO Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hand extractor Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:07:39 -0700 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <352E199A.2CAB@twlakes.net> Reply-To: fscut@twlakes.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-10.r05.tngnbo.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11819 I live in middle Tennessee and would like to know if someone has a hand extractor they would like to sell. I only have a few hives and don't want to spend a lot. Frank Article 11820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: webmaster@sylnet.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need bee book Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:29:39 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6go292$s38$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998041000165001.UAA13046@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.198.200.57 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 11 15:29:39 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11820 We invite you to visit http://www.sylnet.com/books and use the search engine by title or author to find the book you need. Thanks! In article <1998041000165001.UAA13046@ladder01.news.aol.com>, hicksray@aol.com (Hicks Ray) wrote: > > I need a bee book that is called "The Art & Adventure of > Beekeeping" by Ormond & Harry Aebi. > > If you have it contact me at > HicksRay@aol.com > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hand extractor Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:42:34 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6go9up$qs0$1@market.pe.net> References: <352E199A.2CAB@twlakes.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp21.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11822 In article <352E199A.2CAB@twlakes.net>, fscut@twlakes.net wrote: >I live in middle Tennessee and would like to know if someone has a hand >extractor they would like to sell. I only have a few hives and don't >want to spend a lot. >Frank I got my two frame plastic chinese extractor through Dadant for about $100 and it worked just fine. Article 11823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting hive Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:53:49 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 24 Message-ID: <352FD85D.E049199D@ne.mediaone.net> References: <352E1B66.50B462CC@mis.net> <352E8E31.8416B475@mis.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: mfsnky@mis.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11823 michael, after wondering whether or not he had to paint his hive boxes, wrote: > Thank you all it seems to be unanimous. I thought for the money I'd > be > getting pressure treated wood. Actually Michael,Be happy that you aren't getting pressure treated wood, as it reportedly "outgases" and disturbs the bees and causes them to abscond. There is a way to not have to treat or paint your hives, and that is to purchase cypress woodenware. I know Ropssman Apiaries in Moultrie, GA makes all parts to a Langstroth hive out of cypress, and they'll weather for a good 10-15 years without painting or staining or anything. We have painted ours and expect to pass them on to grandchildren (we're in our 30's). The only catch is that the initial investment in equipment is a little greater, but time saved not painting, or not having to recondition, or build replacements is certainly worth a lot (we think maybe more) Kathy Article 11824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers Meeting Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:55:17 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 14 Message-ID: <352FA072.7F565129@Birkey.com> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.96 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11824 Tri-State Beekeepers Meeting Saturday, April 25, 1998 Details at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/aboutthis.html -- Barry Birkey Illinois, USA -------------------------------- BIRKEY.COM Web Design & Digital Illustration -------------------------------- 630.293.1181 ph > 630.293.3613 fx barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com Article 11825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!clear.net.nz!owenathome From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Demonstration beehives? Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:31:58 +1200 Organization: infrequently Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u51.wgtn.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11825 I'm about to suggest that our local museum gets a demo beehive. They'll go for something with a lot of gimmicks, so has anyone seen ones that have extras with public appeal? -- Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Article 11827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!chenness From: chenness@sfu.ca (Craig Adam Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What do Bees do in the first week after installing them from a package? Date: 12 Apr 1998 01:13:32 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6gp4fs$asa$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.sfu.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11827 I installed my bees about 1 week ago, and now I see them flying in and out but i can't tell where they are going. I only saw one with pollen on its legs. There are no bees in any of the (immediate) surrounding flower or ponds of water. Is there some specific thing they are doing, or a specific plant they are going to durning this first little while? Perhaps they are at my neighbors using different types of plants than we have on our yard? I live in Vancouver BC if that helps. There are tree flowers and plant flours and shrub flowers and no bees on them yet! What are they doing?! Where are they going!?!? Anyways if you have any ideas please let me know.. thanks, Craig. Article 11828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news1.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <352E1B66.50B462CC@mis.net> <352E8E31.8416B475@mis.net> Subject: Re: Painting hive Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:39:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-116-97.cha.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:39:52 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11828 michael wrote in message <352E8E31.8416B475@mis.net>... >Thank you all it seems to be unanimous. I thought for the money I'd be >getting pressure treated wood. > Do not use Pressure treated wood for bee hives. The treatment includes fungicides and insecticides. Pressure treated wood is no longer approved for hives by the USDA. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net Article 11829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsxfer.visi.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news1.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6gp4fs$asa$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> Subject: Re: What do Bees do in the first week after installing them from a package? Lines: 35 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:44:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-116-97.cha.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:44:09 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11829 Craig Adam Hennessey wrote in message <6gp4fs$asa$1@morgoth.sfu.ca>... >I installed my bees about 1 week ago, and now I see them flying in and out >but i can't tell where they are going. I only saw one with pollen on its >legs. There are no bees in any of the (immediate) surrounding flower or >ponds of water. Is there some specific thing they are doing, or a specific >plant they are going to durning this first little while? Perhaps they are >at my neighbors using different types of plants than we have on our yard? >I live in Vancouver BC if that helps. There are tree flowers and plant >flours and shrub flowers and no bees on them yet! What are they doing?! >Where are they going!?!? > >Anyways if you have any ideas please let me know.. > >thanks, > >Craig. Bees go to the best nectar source available within effective flying distance. Bees put in orchards very often will go to an adjoining field of Dandelions. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net Article 11830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: joseNOphj@SPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Packages X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 06:21:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: xx2-10.surf-ici.com Message-ID: <35305e8c.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11830 I was awaiting a few 3lb packages today. Well, kinda...I had called earlier in the week to the Alabama supplier. I spoke to his wife and she started to explain about the weather. They have had some freezes and such. Frankly, this is a hobby and a vacation funder...I am not real worried if they don't produce this year. They have in the past. She was very quick to explain the problems. I tried to reassure her it wasn't a big deal. It is FARMING. Weather is a controlling factor. I lost ALL 12 hives over the year. 4 didn't even take the queen, 6 more were laying spotty and the last 2 made it to the spring...to be knocked off by vandals. The 16 packages I ordered were to be expansion...well though they be late ( at least a week) they will be here. And I will have the opportunity to be told my honey is priced too high yet again this year. Article 11831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!hihat.mwci.net!not-for-mail From: Chris and Janet Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do Bees do in the first week after installing them from a package? Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 06:37:46 -0500 Organization: Colesburg Apiaries Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3530A788.2EC6FBE6@mwci.net> References: <6gp4fs$asa$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-240.dyersville.mwci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11831 If you see your bees bringing back pollen, that means that brood-rearing is taking place and your queen is laying. Don't be concerned if you don't know where the nectar source is; they zero in on the best nectar source in flying distance. Article 11832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Demonstration beehives? Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:27:02 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <353106da.455471940@news.earthlink.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.128 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11832 owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) wrote: >I'm about to suggest that our local museum gets a demo beehive. They'll go >for something with a lot of gimmicks, so has anyone seen ones that have >extras with public appeal? > >-- >Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Photos of several observation beehives are on my web site (URL below), along with some suggestions. Several of these hives are ones that I maintain at public institutions. Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 11833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help extracting honey without extractor Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:10:57 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <353111C1.C75F1B86@fcbl.com> References: <35251554.FF3E81F@bigfoot.com> <35296C0C.16AC2B65@valley.net> <01bd635f$9e235300$250cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> <352C4290.C43EE1C6@fcbl.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 19090@208.24.176.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11833 Thanks for all the responses. I bought a cheep extractor from one of the respondents. Larry Larry Williard wrote: > I plan to only have 1 double hive, I get the bees this weekend. I dont want to > buy an extractor, I bought a cap scratcher. Can anybody give me the best > procedure for getting honey from supers without an extractor. > Thanks Article 11834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!newsfeed.gte.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sugar mixture Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:55:45 -0400 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35314671.41E8@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.68.191 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11834 Could someone tell me if I need to boil sugar mixture? also I have the jar intrance feeders for now. Is the zip lock bags placed on top in a super a better way? If so, need recipe to make mixture and do I cut small slits in top of bags? Article 11835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: gfdavis@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hand extracter Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:01:32 -0400 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <353147CC.174F@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.68.191 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-KIT (Win95; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!news.tacom.army.mil!marge.eaglequest.com!hub.org!fu-berlin.de!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11835 I need a reasonable priced hand extracter. gfdavis@usit.net thanks,GD Article 11836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how tall can a hive bee? Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 17:36:41 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6grflq$hmi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <352EEE19.1AD1@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 12 22:36:41 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11836 In article <352EEE19.1AD1@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: > > Does anyone know the answer to how many supers tall a hive > can be, max? Can you make a bee skyscraper? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman > How tall depends on wind and whether or not you are willing to brace them if wind is a problem. Yes you can stack 'em taller than you are. But you definitely don't want one that is worthy of stacking sky high to be toppled over when you next see it. I have stacked 'em without bracing 10-13 mediums high and put a cement block or two up top to add weight and had 'em stand ON LEVEL STURDY STANDS. Best wishes and Happy Easter, Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!thunder.mgl.ca!usenet From: John Summerfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Hive Mystery Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 22:55:38 -0400 Organization: MGL Systems Internet Lines: 70 Message-ID: <35317EAA.E2EFE8CC@mgl.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: hurricane26.mgl.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CB9CED3AA577B42885A20718" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11837 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CB9CED3AA577B42885A20718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two years ago, I started in spring with a new hive from a knowledgeable beekeeper. The hive of buckfasts prospered quickly in a good honey flow year to full stregth, yielding 60 pounds of honey in excess of proper wintering quantities that I left (20 super frames). The winter of 96/97 (their first) saw them come through beautifully. Last summer (97) I took four frames of fresh eggs, brood and bees (I inspected to ensure I didn't include the queen) to a new brood chamber in a new hive. These bees quickly grew queen cells and a new queen emerged. This hive prospered very well and grew to full strength. The original hive (15 feet away) seemed to continue as a strong hive after replacing the bees brood and honey. Both hives went into last fall with about 15 super frames of honey. Both seemed equally strong during my last inspection last November. The winter here in Ontario was a particularly mild one but was very damp on occasion. When I went to inspect the bees last week, I found the original hive dead. The bottom board was covered in one inch of mold covered dead bees. There were a couple of hundred bees in the upper chamber supers, most had crawled into cells with only the tip of their abdomen visible. There were a very few brood cells that had never hatched. The odd thing is that almost all the honey was still present in the upper chamber. They had not suffered a lack of honey. I am perplexed and seek your opinion on what might have happened to this hive so I do not repeat this mistake next winter. By the way, what should I do with the dead hive? Must it be disposed of? Can I salvage the components such as frames, supers etc after cleaning everything out? The other hive incidentally seems to be doing well. I found the queen and there was lots of brood in varying stages of development. I plan to swap upper and lower brood chamber position as I hear this helps. There is tons of honey left in this hive but there do not seem to be huge numbers of bees present. So much honey in fact, I believe I won't have to feed in all likelihood. By the way, I have never wrapped my bees for overwintering nor reduced entrances. What is your opinion on this? Thanks for any help you can offer. --------------CB9CED3AA577B42885A20718 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for John Summerfield Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: John Summerfield n: Summerfield;John org: CS Productions adr: 937 Centre Rd.;;;Waterdown;ON;L0R 2H0;Canada email;internet: johnsum@mgl.ca title: TV Producer & Host tel;work: 905-689-1112 tel;fax: 905-689-2065 note: Website: www.greatoutdoorsman.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------CB9CED3AA577B42885A20718-- Article 11838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Hive Mystery Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1998041304381401.AAA01925@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 1998 04:38:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35317EAA.E2EFE8CC@mgl.ca> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11838 >winter here in Ontario was a particularly mild one but was very damp on >he bottom board was covered in one inch of mold >covered dead bees. There were a >The odd thing is that almost all the honey was still present >in the upper chamber. They had not suffered a lack of honey. I am Well John it would seem that you have answered your own question ! Damp climate, signs of starvation when there's plenty of food, i'm afraid your bees died of Nosema wicked little bug, some fumadil-b would have saved ya just scorch out your boxes and start over Article 11839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Jon Crawford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need beeswax in San Antonio Date: 13 Apr 1998 05:10:18 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6gs6nq$oa0@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.133.124 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11839 Hello All, I am looking for a few pounds of bees wax in the San Antonio, TX area. Any help is appreciated. Thanks -- Jon Crawford Jon.Laurel@worldnet.att.net HTTP://home.att.net/~jon.laurel/ Article 11840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Hive Mystery Date: 13 Apr 1998 05:40:25 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 54 Message-ID: <6gs8g9$b91@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <35317EAA.E2EFE8CC@mgl.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.135 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11840 FWIW, my guess is that they starved. Despite having alot of honey, bees will starve if they can't break cluster or move the cluster to the food. Bees head down in the cells is one indication. I'm not sure what a mild winter in Ontario is but I would think that far north reducing the entrance and wrapping for winter would be SOP. The colder it is the tighter the cluster and this can keep them from the stored honey. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! John Summerfield wrote in article <35317EAA.E2EFE8CC@mgl.ca>... > Two years ago, I started in spring with a new hive from a knowledgeable > beekeeper. The hive of buckfasts prospered quickly in a good honey flow > year to full stregth, yielding 60 pounds of honey in excess of proper > wintering quantities that I left (20 super frames). The winter of 96/97 > (their first) saw them come through beautifully. > > Last summer (97) I took four frames of fresh eggs, brood and bees (I > inspected to ensure I didn't include the queen) to a new brood chamber > in a new hive. These bees quickly grew queen cells and a new queen > emerged. This hive prospered very well and grew to full strength. The > original hive (15 feet away) seemed to continue as a strong hive after > replacing the bees brood and honey. > > Both hives went into last fall with about 15 super frames of honey. > Both seemed equally strong during my last inspection last November. The > winter here in Ontario was a particularly mild one but was very damp on > occasion. When I went to inspect the bees last week, I found the > original hive dead. The bottom board was covered in one inch of mold > covered dead bees. There were a couple of hundred bees in the upper > chamber supers, most had crawled into cells with only the tip of their > abdomen visible. There were a very few brood cells that had never > hatched. The odd thing is that almost all the honey was still present > in the upper chamber. They had not suffered a lack of honey. I am > perplexed and seek your opinion on what might have happened to this hive > so I do not repeat this mistake next winter. By the way, what should I > do with the dead hive? Must it be disposed of? Can I salvage the > components such as frames, supers etc after cleaning everything out? > > The other hive incidentally seems to be doing well. I found the queen > and there was lots of brood in varying stages of development. I plan to > swap upper and lower brood chamber position as I hear this helps. There > is tons of honey left in this hive but there do not seem to be huge > numbers of bees present. So much honey in fact, I believe I won't have > to feed in all likelihood. > > By the way, I have never wrapped my bees for overwintering nor reduced > entrances. What is your opinion on this? > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > Article 11841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!clear.net.nz!owenathome From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Demonstration beehives? Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:21:18 +1200 Organization: infrequently Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <353106da.455471940@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u37.wgtn.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11841 In article <353106da.455471940@news.earthlink.net>, jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: > > Photos of several observation beehives are on my web site (URL below), > along with some suggestions. Several of these hives are ones that I > maintain at public institutions. > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ John: A great resource: thanks! I'm after two contradictory things: being able to see the queen most times, and natural comb. The video camera idea looks interesting: anyone ever connected an endoscope to the camera and thrust it between the combs? -- Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Article 11842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eqpt. wanted-N.Lincolnshire Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:20:17 +0100 Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-219.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3531cae5.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-219.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11842 I require a hive, and bees, but cannot afford new. Can anyone in the North Lincs/Humberside help with cheap/second-hand? Standard British Frames/dimensions.... Thanks John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org "I wish I'd said that!"-"You will, Dear Boy, you will!" Article 11850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: aheard@tesent.nospam.com (Just Al) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where to get fresh honey in Mass? Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:07:37 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 5 Sender: justal@206.32.124.157 Message-ID: <3533a537.20758038@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.32.124.157 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11850 Howdy, I was hoping to find somewhere in Mass to get fresh honey for my mead making. Any help would be appreciated. Also, when is this type of honey usually available, I would assume spring and summer... Article 11851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news2.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bees, wasps, hornets, yellowjacks Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:53:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-116-161.cha.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:53:29 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11851 Frank Humphrey wrote in message ... >Mix 12 cup of dishwashing detergent with gallon of water. Should read:"Mix 1 cup of dishwashing detergent with 1 gallon of water." Sorry for the typo. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net Article 11852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!metro.atlanta.com!not-for-mail From: purcell@atlanta.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how tall can a hive bee? Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:38:55 GMT Organization: Internet Atlanta Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3535d6d8.2269232@nntp.atlanta.com> References: <352EEE19.1AD1@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 155.229.8.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11852 Marc, I've had them pretty tall. In a heavy honey flow with double queen hives, I've had so many medium depth supers that you had to stand on something, or use a ladder to lift the top super off. Marc Andelman wrote: >Does anyone know the answer to how many supers tall a hive >can be, max? Can you make a bee skyscraper? > >Regards, >Marc Andelman -- Michael Purcell purcell@atlanta.com Article 11853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.174.67.209!news.bctel.net!not-for-mail From: "H. A. S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Placement Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:17:34 -0700 Organization: BCTEL Advanced Communications Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35340AAD.7C34F2A5@cyberdude.com> Reply-To: farmer@cyberdude.com NNTP-Posting-Host: kmlp01m02-122.bctel.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11853 Hi to all. I am asking if anyone out there would help me with a question I have regarding placement of a hive, I live in a semi desert area, I have .33 of a acre of land with a house planted smack dab in the middle. I put my hive pointing south with a large flight path in and out of the hive. The hive receives the morning sun through to about I PM then it receives just the heat of the day. The hive is located between two houses and bees seem to like it there however the hive is not as yet what I would call a strong hive.I should mention that the hive was put in this location late last spring closer to summer and had missed the peak feeding cycle for this area. some people that I have talked with have told me that I should move the hive to a location where it would receive the late afternoon sun. Are there any thoughts out there about this.and any suggestion's. Thank you H. Skaar BC Canada Article 11854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: package bees Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:19:41 -0400 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35340B2D.4E8E@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup306.vabla.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11854 Has anyone had problems getting their bees from Calvert apiaries in Alabama? They called and said they would ship them tues 7. Still waiting. GD Article 11855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.117.161.1!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New World vs Old World Carniolans Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:59:51 -0600 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35341497.CE7ED602@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11855 When asking about winter hardy bee strains, I received advise about Buckfast and Carniolan. I have since found suppliers of New World Carniolans, and Old World Carniolans with most breeders simply offering generic Carniolans. So, what's the difference between the New World and Old World kinds, and which is the unspecified stock likely to be? Brian Allen Article 11856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!WCG!katana!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3534ACC3.E639BDC6@mis.net> From: michael Reply-To: mfsnky@mis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cost of bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:49:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.110 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:49:12 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11856 I am getting ready to try to start a hive for the very first time. As soon as I put the stuff together and paint the boxes I'll be ready. I will call around tonight and tomorrow to try to locate some bees (i.e. a nuc ) if it's not already to late. I'm in kentucky and was wondering, how much should I expect to pay for how many bees? Thank you Michael Article 11857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6h271g$l88@news3.force9.net> Subject: Re: Equipment and hives for Sale Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:22:32 +0100 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-234.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35349f37.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-234.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11857 John Stanton wrote in message <6h271g$l88@news3.force9.net>... >I am a small scale commercial beekeeper in the north of England and wish to >sell my hives and a considerable amount of spare equipment including >electric extractor, heather press, heating cabinets numerous hives, supers >brood boxes etc. as well as operating hives in out apiaries which could >reamain on site. > >John Stanton > > I am after one complete hive, and bees. I am in Scunthorpe, N.Lincs. John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org "I wish I'd said that!" "You will, Dear Boy, you will!" Article 11858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!arbiter-force9-uk!news3-force9-uk!usenet From: "John Stanton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment and hives for Sale Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:03:49 +0100 Organization: Force 9 Internet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6h271g$l88@news3.force9.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.131.33 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11858 I am a small scale commercial beekeeper in the north of England and wish to sell my hives and a considerable amount of spare equipment including electric extractor, heather press, heating cabinets numerous hives, supers brood boxes etc. as well as operating hives in out apiaries which could reamain on site. John Stanton Article 11859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SOUTHERN ILLINOIS - 190+ ACRE FARM Date: 15 Apr 1998 13:41:57 GMT Organization: a Digital Internet AlphaServer Site Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd6874$381f1ca0$83ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp01-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11859 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 11860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!1-69.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical Info wanted Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:19:01 -0400 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 139 Message-ID: References: <352a9eef.0@concord> <6ggbjj$s5b@ednet2.orednet.org> <6h2egi$la0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1-69.skylands.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11860 In article <6h2egi$la0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > >In a previous article, tmorris@gcpud.org (Terri Morrison) says: > > > >>I am looking for period documentation (actual historical written or physical > >>evidence) of the process of turning raw honeycomb into the two separate products > >>of beeswax and honey (or honey water for mead making) as was practised in Europe > >>in the 8th thru the 11th centuries A.D. > >> > >>Please help if you can - and if I should be looking somewhere else for this kind > >>of information - you are welcome to let me know where you think I should go. > > If anyone _does_ have this information, would they please send me a copy? > I'd like to archive it. > > thanks, > Adam > > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Here is a re-post of what I sent last week. I'm not sure it got through. Hello! I think Mr. Yarnell was referring to me. The notes I have at hand are from sources much later than Mr. Morrison requested. In these quotes from 16th-17th c. English sources, you will see that the best honey was allowed to drip out of the combs. After whatever dripped of its own accord was collected, the rest was pressed out. The combs were then washed in water to remove the honey that still remained, and the sweetened water was used to make mead. "#3 SOME NOTES ABOUT HONEY ­ 1669 The Honey of dry open Countries, where there is much Wild-thyme, Rosemary, and Flowers, is best. It is of three sorts, Virgin-honey, Life-honey, and Stock-honey. The first is the best. The Life-honey next. The Virgin-honey is of Bees, that swarmed the Spring before, and are taken up in Autumn; and is made best by chusing the Whitest combs of the Hive, and then letting the Honey run out of them lying upon a Sieve without pressing it, or breaking of the Combs. The Life-honey is of the same Combs broken after the Virgin-honey is run from it; The Merchants of Honey do use to mingle all the sorts together. The first of a swarm is called Virgin-honey. That of the next year, after the Swarm was hatched, is Life-honey. And ever after, it is Honey of Old-stocks. Honey that is forced out of the Combs, will always taste of Wax. Hampshire Honey is most esteemed at London. About Bisleter there is excellent good. Some account Norfolk honey the best." (From Digby, Sir Kenelme. The Closet of the Eminently Learned Sir Kenelme Digby Kt. Opened: Whereby is Discovered Several ways for making of Metheglin, Sider, Cherry-Wine, &c. Together with Excellent Directions for Cookery: As al†o for Pre†erving, Con†erving, Candying, &c. Publi†hed by his Son¹s Con†ent. Printed by E. C. for H. Brome, at the Star in Little Britain. London, 1669.) ³Make your Metheglin as soon as ever you take your Bees; for if you wash your combs in the water you boil your herbs in, when it is cold, it will sweeten much. But you must afterwards strain it through a cloth, or else there will be much wax.² (Digby, #75.) Speaking of a less than desirable mead: "There is a kind of swish-swash made also in Essex and divers other places with honeycombs and water... Truly it is nothing else but the wathing of the combs, when the honey is wrung out..." (From Harrison, William. The Description of England. 1587, p. 140. A new edition by Georges Edelen, subtitiled: ³The Classic Contemporary Account of Tudor Social Life,² is available from the Folger Shakespeare Library and Dover Publications, Inc. Washington, D.C., and New York, 1994.ISBN:0-486-28275-9 Edelen¹s edition has somewhat modernized spelling and is very well annotated. The book contains descriptions of most facets of Tudor life, including directions for cultivating saffron, brewing beer, etc.) "Our honey is also taken and reputed to be the best, because it is harder, better wrought, and cleanlier vesseled up than that which cometh from beyond the sea, where they stamp and strain their combs, bees, and young blowings [egg, larvae] altogether into the stuff..." (Harrison, p. 337) Other places to look: Pliny the Elder. "Natural History." c. 77 A.D. H. Rackham, ed. Rpt. The Loeb Classical Library. Harvard Univ. Press. Cambridge, Massachusetts, 1983. The writings of Charlemagne regarding the ordering of his estates; Athenaeus. "The Deipnosophists, or The Sophists at Dinner." Tr. by Charles Burton Gulick. Wm. Heinemann, Ltd. London. G.P. Putnam¹s Sons. New York, 1927. Ed. by E. Capps, T.E. Page, W.H.D. Rouse. The Loeb Classical Library. 7 volumes dating from circa 228 A.D., containing a great deal of information on the wines and foods of ancient Greece, Rome, and Egypt. Butler, Charles. "The Feminine Monarchie or A Treatise Concerning Bees, and the Dve Ordering of Them, etc." Printed by Io†eph Barnes. Oxford, 1609. Rpt. Theatrum Orbis Terrarum Ltd. Amsterdam, 1969. HTH, Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More, A Collection of 15th Century Recipes" and "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ >From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) >Try rec.foods.historic or a related group. As well, try a deja news >search on mead. There's a lady who's self-published a book on mead <(posted on this newsgroup) who may have the answer. Don't recall her name >but she's from NJ. >In a previous article, tmorris@gcpud.org (Terri Morrison) says: >levar.com > >I am looking for period documentation (actual historical written or physical >evidence) of the process of turning raw honeycomb into the two separate products >of beeswax and honey (or honey water for mead making) as was practised in Europe >in the 8th thru the 11th centuries A.D. > >Please help if you can - and if I should be looking somewhere else for this kind >of information - you are welcome to let me know where you think I should go. -- Article 11861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical Info wanted Date: 15 Apr 1998 13:59:46 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6h2egi$la0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <352a9eef.0@concord> <6ggbjj$s5b@ednet2.orednet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11861 >In a previous article, tmorris@gcpud.org (Terri Morrison) says: > >>I am looking for period documentation (actual historical written or physical >>evidence) of the process of turning raw honeycomb into the two separate products >>of beeswax and honey (or honey water for mead making) as was practised in Europe >>in the 8th thru the 11th centuries A.D. >> >>Please help if you can - and if I should be looking somewhere else for this kind >>of information - you are welcome to let me know where you think I should go. If anyone _does_ have this information, would they please send me a copy? I'd like to archive it. thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!terra.hcia.com!news From: Mike Dingeldey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite removal with mineral oil Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:42:46 -0400 Organization: HCIA Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <352E7636.5414@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blackbird.aa.hcia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11862 Has anyone had experience (or attmpted) of varroa combat using food grade mineral oil? I recently saw some research on the subject, and am wondering what everyone's view of this is. The article was titled Bee Mites and Mineral Oil, and was posted on Bee-L on July 12 1997. Any input is *greatly* appreciated. TIA. Mike Dingeldey Article 11863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do Bees do in the first week after installing them from a package? Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:18:14 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 24 Message-ID: <35329D35.2C22658D@ne.mediaone.net> References: <6gp4fs$asa$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Craig Adam Hennessey X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11863 Craig, Hopefully you are also feeding them some sugar syrup so that they can concenterate their efforts on pollen collecting and brood rearing. Packages are pretty small populations of bees and the earlier in the season they are shipped, the more old bees they are likely to contain. The dying of these older bees, plus the 2-7 days it takes for a new queen to be released and begin laying, plus the 21 days it takes for the first of her workers to begin to emerge, plus the fact that by the time 21+ days have passed some of the younger bees have begun to die also, means that the lowest population (and therefore most critical time) for a package of bees is 3-4 weeks *after* installation. Do yourself (and your bees) a favor and help them as much as you can now by feeding sugar syrup (if you aren't already) when there's still the population to store it and use it to draw comb... Good luck to you, Kathy P.S. If you are really curious about where the bees are going, look at the color of the pollen they're bringing in and compare it to what's blooming and the colors of pollen shown in a book like "The Pollen Loads of the Honey Bee" by Dorothy Hodges. It's fun to see if you can guess what's coming in. Article 11864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.244.0.3!cdc2.cdc.net!news From: MrHankey@SouthPark.com (MrHankey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of bees Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:28:31 GMT Organization: None Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3535df32.1916631@news> References: <3534ACC3.E639BDC6@mis.net> Reply-To: maggadog(NOSPAM)@(NOSPAM)marley.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm07-16.chattanooga.cdc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.478 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11864 On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:49:12 GMT, michael wrote: >I am getting ready to try to start a hive for the very first time. As >soon as I put the stuff together and paint the boxes I'll be ready. I >will call around tonight and tomorrow to try to locate some bees (i.e. a >nuc ) if it's not already to late. I'm in kentucky and was wondering, >how much should I expect to pay for how many bees? > >Thank you >Michael Micheal, I too am starting my first hive this year in east TN and I just ordered mine from a GA supplier for $41 plus shipping for a 3# package of italian with the queen clipped and marked. I had planned on using Walter T. Kelley but my slow poke self didn't call in time. My second choice was a TN supplier but according to thier web site all of his stock got taken by some Florida SUPER -Mite?!. Article 11865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of bees Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:17:19 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3534EB9F.724FCDC3@bigfoot.com> References: <3534ACC3.E639BDC6@mis.net> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 1861@208.24.176.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: mfsnky@mis.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11865 I just got mine from Alabama, cost $40.00 they have more. Hers a link to suppliers. I used Harrells. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/suplybe.html michael wrote: > I am getting ready to try to start a hive for the very first time. As > soon as I put the stuff together and paint the boxes I'll be ready. I > will call around tonight and tomorrow to try to locate some bees (i.e. a > nuc ) if it's not already to late. I'm in kentucky and was wondering, > how much should I expect to pay for how many bees? > > Thank you > Michael Article 11866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news1.saix.net!usenet From: "A. Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nuisance Bees Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:49:02 +0200 Organization: The South African Internet Exchange. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6h32p4$j2m@news1.saix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cn25-01-p02.saix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11866 Hi there! I wonder whether you could help me or know of someone who could? I keep fowls and also have many wild birds on my property which I feed with crushed corn (meilies as we in South Africa call them). For the past three days bees have set upon this corn in great numbers, so much so that one cannot see the corn for bees. They (the bees) go quite berserk, rolling in it and filling their little pollen sacks to bursting with the whitish dust they get off the corn. At the end of the day kilograms of corn have dispappeared. The fowls, on the other hand, are getting more and more hungry - they haven't a chance to look in on their own food supply. I have no idea what type of bee they are, nor how I can discourage them from there present activity. Is there anything that one could perhaps hang near the corn that would be offensive to the bees? The corn is placed in various locations and all dishes are commandeered by the bees. I do hope you can help, Ann Andrews Article 11867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: smedders@geocities.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeping Site Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:23:48 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6h3c1k$29h$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.240.45.107 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 15 22:23:48 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11867 Hi everyone just thought I'd let you know that there is a new beekeeping site online. Its from The Mining Company. It has a chat room thats open 24/7, so meet with friends and fellow beekeepers anytime. Its a site just for beekeepers. http://beekeeping.miningco.com Enjoy. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.227.0.16!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: Dave Paxton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of bees Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:00:36 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35353C14.47D9@gate.net> References: <3534ACC3.E639BDC6@mis.net> <3535df32.1916631@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl2-120.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11868 MrHankey wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:49:12 GMT, michael wrote: > > >I am getting ready to try to start a hive for the very first time. As > >soon as I put the stuff together and paint the boxes I'll be ready. I I am not even to this point yet, just researching the required materials (probably will be ready next year though). I will be building my own hives. A question that crossed my mind but have not seen addressed anywhere is what kind of paint to use. I wonder if over the counter house paints and sealer has anything in it that would be detrimental to the hive or put trace elements in the honey??? > I too am starting my first hive this year in east TN and I just > ordered mine from a GA supplier for $41 plus shipping for a 3# package > of italian with the queen clipped and marked. I had planned on using > Walter T. Kelley but my slow poke self didn't call in time. My second > choice was a TN supplier but according to thier web site all of his > stock got taken by some Florida SUPER -Mite?!. I would be very interested in hearing more about that mite. I live in Fl. now and hope to establish hives in Virginia or West Virginia. Dave Article 11869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35350C96.58A59125@foxinternet.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:37:59 -0700 From: Daniel Kiehnle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No new beekeeping news? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.211.107 Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.prostar.com!208.8.211.107 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11869 Hey....where is everyone? Out catching swarms? Article 11870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.iag.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: goldpnr@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old post: hives for $50 complete? Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:56:17 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6h3kvh$gb7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.66.52.51 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 16 00:56:17 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11870 Perhaps my ISP didn't download a reply, but where was the source of that complete hive for $50.00??? thanks! Phil (NM) -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.he.net!katana!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35355EE2.6CB36C17@mis.net> From: michael Reply-To: mfsnky@mis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Dave Paxton Subject: Re: Cost of bees References: <3534ACC3.E639BDC6@mis.net> <3535df32.1916631@news> <35353C14.47D9@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:29:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.174 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:29:09 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11871 I asked a similar question not to long ago. It seems that any good exterior latex paint will do the job fine. Article 11872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old post: hives for $50 complete? Date: 16 Apr 1998 01:41:45 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bd68da$8fa42360$a13a2bd1@spooky> References: <6h3kvh$gb7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iq-and-ns001-33.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11872 The Walter T. Kelley company sells complete hives (bottom board, brood chamber, 10 divided bottom board frames, inner cover, & telescoping cover) for $48.50. It has to be assembled and foundation must be ordered separately. We use Kelley for our bee supplies and recommend them. You can reach them at: The Walter T. Kelley Co. 3107 Elizabethtown Rd P.O.Box 240 Clarkson, Kentucky USA 42726-0240 (502)242-2012 goldpnr@yahoo.com wrote in article <6h3kvh$gb7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > Perhaps my ISP didn't download a reply, but where was the source of that > complete hive for $50.00??? > thanks! > Phil (NM) > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading > Article 11873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <353569F4.D22EE4EB@qaiusqa.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:16:20 -0400 From: logcabin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar mixture References: <35314671.41E8@usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.134.41.51 Lines: 27 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.1.53!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.aiusa.com!208.134.41.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11873 I prefer to use one gallon zip lock bags. I place the bag on top of an inner cover with an empty shallow around it. I use a pocket knife to slice one 5-6 inch slit in the bag and then using my finger, I dribble a little syrup in the opening to let them know that it is there. I am just a hobbyist so the extra expense of the bags is not a concern and I only have to return to the yard every third day or so. When I started I used the entrance feeder with a mason jar and it had to fill it every night. The mix I use is 1:1. I make it up in 3 liter pop bottle that I have "calibrated". To do the same; Mark the line where a measured 8 cups of sugar fills to and then add 8 cups of the hot tap water and shake until dissolved. Once it is mixed, place another mark on the bottle where the solution line is. In the future you don't have to mess with any measuring devices just fill your bottle to the SUGAR mark and then fill to the WATER mark. Steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com (Remove the Q's after the @) gfdavis@usit.net wrote: > Could someone tell me if I need to boil sugar mixture? also I have the > jar intrance feeders for now. Is the zip lock bags placed on top in a > super a better way? If so, need recipe to make mixture and do I cut > small slits in top of bags? Article 11874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuisance Bees Lines: 35 Message-ID: <1998041602180800.WAA05387@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 1998 02:18:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6h32p4$j2m@news1.saix.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11874 From: "A. Andrews" >I keep fowls and also have many wild birds on my property which I feed with >crushed corn (meilies as we in South Africa call them). For the past three >days bees have set upon this corn in great numbers, so much so that one >cannot see the corn for bees. They (the bees) go quite berserk, rolling in >it and filling their little pollen sacks to bursting with the whitish dust >they get off the corn. At the end of the day kilograms of corn have >dispappeared. >The fowls, on the other hand, are getting more and more hungry - they >haven't a chance to look in on their own food supply. >I have no idea what type of bee they are, nor how I can discourage them from >there present activity. Is there anything that one could perhaps hang near >the corn that would be offensive to the bees? The corn is placed in >various locations and all dishes are commandeered by the bees. >I do hope you can help, >Ann Andrews This usually is a temporary problem that is caused by a severe shortage of natural pollen. When pollen becomes available again, the honeybees will stop gathering this inferior source of protein. It does strike me as odd for your time of year: fall, when I have mostly seen this in early spring. Sometimes in early spring hungry bees will collect sawdust. The behavior usually does not last long -- a few days at most, though YMMV. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New World vs Old World Carniolans Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:25:44 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <6h3tnp$at$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35341497.CE7ED602@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 16 03:25:44 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Lines: 46 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11875 In article <35341497.CE7ED602@mines.edu>, Brian wrote: > > When asking about winter hardy bee strains, I received advise about > Buckfast and Carniolan. I have since found suppliers of New World > Carniolans, and Old World Carniolans with most breeders simply offering > generic Carniolans. > > So, what's the difference between the New World and Old World kinds, and > which is the unspecified stock likely to be? > Brian et al, What we call Carniolans are bees of the Carnica race. New World Carniolans (NWC) are the strain developed by the husband-wife team of Timothy Lawrence and Susan Cobey while they lived in California. Susan Cobey continues to maintain and improve them now at Ohio State University - several cooperating members of the California Bee Breeders Association sell naturally mated NWC queens. As to history - initially Timothy and Susan gathered together Carnica type bee strains from the USA and Canada and then they backcrossed them using AI (II) to fix in more true to type Carnica racial traits. Then they used the Page-Laidlaw Closed Population Breeding System to slowly improve the new strain while maintaining the purity thereof. They are nice bees. Old World Carniolan is a name dubbed on another California strain of Carnica seemingly to differentiate it from NWC. I have NO idea what the breeding protocol is for them NOR even if it involves use of AI. HIP has not tested them to date. MOST Carnica queens bought naturally mated here in the USA tend to be pure Carnica virgins mated to at least some if not mostly all Italian (Ligustica) drones. This is true irregardless of what strain they are from UNLESS the breeder has taken special pains to maximize pure mating via drone saturation or island mating. Hope that helps, Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuisance Bees Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:55:02 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6h42v6$ae3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6h32p4$j2m@news1.saix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 16 04:55:02 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11876 In article <6h32p4$j2m@news1.saix.net>, "A. Andrews" wrote: > > Hi there! > I wonder whether you could help me or know of someone who could? > I keep fowls and also have many wild birds on my property which I feed with > crushed corn (meilies as we in South Africa call them). For the past three > days bees have set upon this corn in great numbers, so much so that one > cannot see the corn for bees. They (the bees) go quite berserk, rolling in > it and filling their little pollen sacks to bursting with the whitish dust > they get off the corn. At the end of the day kilograms of corn have > dispappeared. Sounds like a pollen dearth as bees "prefer" real pollen when it is available. Bees cannot fly at night but fowls tend to roost rather than feed at night as well. > The fowls, on the other hand, are getting more and more hungry - they > haven't a chance to look in on their own food supply. > I have no idea what type of bee they are, nor how I can discourage them from > there present activity. Is there anything that one could perhaps hang near > the corn that would be offensive to the bees? The corn is placed in > various locations and all dishes are commandeered by the bees. > I do hope you can help, > Ann Andrews > Is it possible/practical to increase the particle size of the fowl feed? The bees can't haul off large particles ya see - eliminating the "corn dust" and feeding larger particle size to the fowl may just remedy the trouble. Hope this may be of some assistance, Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!ftl.msen.com!not-for-mail From: "Karl Townsend" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purchase Formic acid? Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:22:32 -0500 Organization: Dassel Hillside Farm Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6h50ng$a16$1@ink.msen.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s02.pm1.cmgate.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11877 Where can I obtain Formic Acid? My beekeeping suppliers say it will be next year before a licenced form they can sell will be available. I will not sell honey off these hives. -- ò¿ó An apple a day keeps the doctor away. Two apples a day gets the doctor's OK. Five a day makes you a fruit grower like me. Karl.NOT@cmgate.com in Dassel,MN (remove the .NOT to e-mail me) Article 11878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: goldpnr@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: suggestion... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:24:41 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6h57ro$b8c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6h32p4$j2m@news1.saix.net> <6h42v6$ae3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.66.52.69 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 16 15:24:41 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11878 How about putting the feed thru a screen, and setting the powder separate for the bees, and the larger feed for the fowl? That way the bees and fowl will each be able to feed.... Phil -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.227.0.16!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: Dave Paxton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of bees Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:20:26 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <353613AA.7AF@gate.net> References: <3534ACC3.E639BDC6@mis.net> <3535df32.1916631@news> <35353C14.47D9@gate.net> <35355EE2.6CB36C17@mis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl6-69.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11879 michael wrote: > > I asked a similar question not to long ago. It seems that any good > exterior latex paint will do the job fine. Another dumb question, you do not use treated lumber either, correct? Dave Article 11880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old post: hives for $50 complete? Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998041615454800.LAA24067@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 1998 15:45:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bd68da$8fa42360$a13a2bd1@spooky> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11880 We sell a complete hive (unassembled) for $49. with a bottom, telescoping top/inner cover, deep hive body and frames (no foundation). we also sell the same setup with a migratory top for only $32.50. I think that you'll find several bee supply house that have similar pricing and freight cost will be you biggest variable. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 11881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.174.67.209!news.bctel.net!news.rapidnet.net!not-for-mail From: ccgammon@bigfoot.com (Craig) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar mixture Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:27:14 GMT Organization: Rapidnet Technologies Internet Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6h5840$9q5$1@news.rapidnet.net> References: <35314671.41E8@usit.net> Reply-To: ccgammon@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ap015.rapidnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11881 gfdavis@usit.net wrote: >Could someone tell me if I need to boil sugar mixture? also I have the >jar intrance feeders for now. Is the zip lock bags placed on top in a >super a better way? If so, need recipe to make mixture and do I cut >small slits in top of bags? If you're talking about a sugar feed, we mix 2 part of sugar with 1 part of BOILING water in a 1 gallon glass jar. Stir the mixture real well until all the sugar is dissolved. Let cool to room temperature before putting on hive. We find that 7 or eight pounds of dry sugar and 14 to 16 cups of boiling water makes enough sugar feed for the average hive to consume in roughly five days or so. Feed this mixture to each hive from the time the weather breaks until you've got a good batch of dandelions. Make sure you give you give your bees at least a box for the current brood building and another for steady colony expansion - at least two standard boxes. Don't forget fumigilin for nosema and terramycin for foulbrood. A couple treatments of nosema and a couple or so treatments of terramycin evenly dispersed throughout your feeding period should be quite fine for the standard healthy hive. I mix a tablespoon of either medication in a small glass jar with cool tap water when the sugar feed has cooled down, then dump this into a gallon jar of sugar feed, mix it thoroughly into the sugar feed and then take the sugar feed out to the hive immediately. I place this sugar feed upside down on top of the topmost frames of the hive and use an empty standard box to protect and shield my sugar feed solution from the sun (sunlight will destroy the medication!) and weather. Hope this helps. -Craig Gammon -Craig Gammon Article 11882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.dn.net!not-for-mail From: a worker Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad French Bee?? Date: 16 Apr 1998 16:28:48 GMT Organization: CyberBee.net Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6h5bk0$7am$1@news.dn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.sciencedaily.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: AspNNTP (ScienceDaily Magazine) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11882 Please check http://www.cyberbee.net there is one news item about the 'mad bees' in France, I believe. In article <6gletm$9tu$1@heliodor.xara.net>, Ian Lawson writes: > Does any one have any information about this subject, apparently reported on > the radio recently, I believe about Bees feeding on Sunflowers which had > been treated with a pesticide, and then the Bees not being able to return to > the Hive? Any further details greatfully received. Thanks. > > Ian Lawson. > > Article 11883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar mixture Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:09:34 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3535847E.7E1@kingston.net> References: <35314671.41E8@usit.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gk3-206.47.80.6.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11883 gfdavis@usit.net wrote: > > Could someone tell me if I need to boil sugar mixture? also I have the > jar intrance feeders for now. Is the zip lock bags placed on top in a > super a better way? If so, need recipe to make mixture and do I cut > small slits in top of bags? No, don't boil. The Spring mixture is a 1:1 ratio water to sugar. If you are only doing a few hives use a large jar to measure. I haven't used the zip lock bags. The entrance feeder should be fine. Kent Stienburg Article 11884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.mad.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: "met" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web in spanish Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:10:36 +0200 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6h5roh$nho$1@talia.mad.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp152.196.redestb.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11884 I need know if there are webs in spanish about beekeeping thanks. Article 11885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuisance Bees Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:42:30 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 28 Message-ID: <35357E26.1730@kingston.net> References: <6h32p4$j2m@news1.saix.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gk3-206.47.80.6.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11885 A. Andrews wrote: > > Hi there! > I wonder whether you could help me or know of someone who could? > I keep fowls and also have many wild birds on my property which I feed with > crushed corn (meilies as we in South Africa call them). For the past three > days bees have set upon this corn in great numbers, so much so that one > cannot see the corn for bees. They (the bees) go quite berserk, rolling in > it and filling their little pollen sacks to bursting with the whitish dust > they get off the corn. At the end of the day kilograms of corn have > dispappeared. > The fowls, on the other hand, are getting more and more hungry - they > haven't a chance to look in on their own food supply. > I have no idea what type of bee they are, nor how I can discourage them from > there present activity. Is there anything that one could perhaps hang near > the corn that would be offensive to the bees? The corn is placed in > various locations and all dishes are commandeered by the bees. > I do hope you can help, > Ann Andrews I suspect the bees are going for the sugar in the corn. I'm located in Canada and I haven't seen that here. I assume you have kept birds for a while. Did the bees just start? Can you switch to grain? I dont't know of anything that will discourage bees. Could you feed the birds indoors? Once bees have found a source of pollen they will work it until it is finished. Sorry Ann. Keep me informed. Kent Stienburg Article 11886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Placement Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:56:54 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35358186.15AE@kingston.net> References: <35340AAD.7C34F2A5@cyberdude.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gk3-206.47.80.6.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11886 H. A. S wrote: > > Hi to all. I am asking if anyone out there would help me with a question > I have regarding placement of a hive, I live in a semi desert area, I > have .33 of a acre of land with a house planted smack dab in the middle. > I put my hive pointing south with a large flight path in and out of the > hive. The hive receives the morning sun through to about I PM then it > receives just the heat of the day. > The hive is located between two houses and bees seem to like it there > however the hive is not as yet what I would call a strong hive.I should > mention that the hive was put in this location late last spring closer > to summer and had missed the peak feeding cycle for this area. some > people that I have talked with have told me that I should move the hive > to a location where it would receive the late afternoon sun. Are there > any thoughts out there about this.and any suggestion's. > Thank you H. Skaar > BC Canada Hello, My hives also get the sun till about 1. I started them last year and they have come through the winter very well. I'm in Ontario. There are a couple of times when the nectar flow is low. When this happens I will give them a boost with some syrup. This is plausible for hobbyist. I don't believe its necessary to move the hive. If you missed the prime nectar flow then you may need to feed. But, if there isn't enough food for them to forage for themselves you may have to look for a different location. I'm curious as to what you consider a strong hive. Also watch for mites and AFB. Kent Stienburg Article 11887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Demonstration beehives? Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:20:15 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3535f2e7.177648072@news.earthlink.net> References: <353106da.455471940@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.206 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11887 owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) wrote: >The video camera idea looks interesting: anyone ever connected an >endoscope to the camera and thrust it between the combs? > Our camera is focused near the hive entrance, where there was almost always be some bee traffic. We had problems with the bees propolizing any instrument that was put inside the hive, and eventually took the microphone out of the hive and now have only the camera. A magnifying glass or two that kids can move around is something to consider too. Regarding queen visibility, I can not stress enough the advantage of giving the bees double-width comb (three and a half inches) or more in a permanent observation hive. Anything less and the bees tend to become very stressed from temperature changes, condensation, and the inability to store pollen and nectar near the brood. There is typically plenty of brood in the viewing area in a double-width observation hive. For the Science Place hive (shown on my web site ,URL below), we are now struggling with a redesign that will allow us to keep it after the africanized bee comes to Dallas, since we can not risk africanization at this location. My initial thinking is a sort of drone escape / queen excluder on the entrance that would prevent mated queens from returning to the hive, and a rigorous requeening program. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated! Best wishes for your hive project. John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 11888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Bagdonas Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Split Question Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:43:32 -0400 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3536A5B4.7C8672A4@mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: maki.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11888 I am planning to split my hive next week. (I live in NE) I have ordered my new queen and am all set to go. I have two questions. 1) How many frames should I put in from the donor hive for the split? The doner hive uses 2 deeps for the brood chamber. 2) Does it matter how I select the frames. I was planning to use a combination of inner frames for brood and outer frames for honey. Please respond to ebagdonas@exapps.com Thanks epb Article 11889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees lost Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:48:48 -0400 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3536A6F0.4D2A@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup325.vabla.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11889 I just talked to Donna at Calvert Apiares and she had shipped my bees last Tues. "Newman" must of been sorting the mail that day the bees are lost. I guess I will go to Brushy Mt. in May and get some bees. Donna said I was the third one so far this yr. that the post off. lost. Its like everything else "A matter of luck". GD Article 11890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuisance Bees Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998041701453100.VAA29728@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 1998 01:45:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35357E26.1730@kingston.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11890 Maybe make a mash with the grain by adding water.. The bees are just trying to find some protein to feed their young. Good luck Article 11891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees lost Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998041701423100.VAA28480@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 1998 01:42:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3536A6F0.4D2A@usit.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11891 I had queens arrive once in a green net bag. It seems someone in the Post Office ran em over with a forklift and smashed the queen boxes. One was still alive amazingly. That they will let us mail them at all still amazes me considering how fearfull the average non beekeeper is. alway got good service from B Weaver and Yorks for queens. Tom in CT Article 11892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Tromp loi Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: crystalized honey Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:17:08 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3536C9B3.3791C272@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12175@205.162.101.69 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11892 I was wondering if there were any "do's & don'ts" regarding crystalized honey. I've got some honey that I've had for a while, and it's starting to get a little thick. Can I microwave it? Is there such thing as heating it too much? Or to back up a little,,,once it's extracted,,is there something besides straining that I should be doing to it? Article 11894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Tromp loi Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: short hive move Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:29:51 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3536CCAF.2D6FA9D6@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 439@205.162.101.69 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11894 I think I may of made a mistake, (hopefully a small one). In anticipation of having some work done where my hives normally reside,,,I moved them about 30 or so feet. I moved them at night,,, but the next afternoon, I noticed that there were a whole bunch of those gals buzzing around where they used to be. It's been a couple days now and they're still doing it. Is this anything to worry about or are they going to find their way home? How bad off am I? Article 11896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ronbelldvm@aol.com (RonBellDVM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: crystalized honey Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998041712270900.IAA10643@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 1998 12:27:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3536C9B3.3791C272@midtown.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11896 Honey will often crystalize during storage. This occurs because of the high sugar content. It is possible to overheat the honey and give it a "burned" taste. I recommend gently heating the honey in a pan of water, making sure the honey container doesn't contact the bottom ot the pan on the stove. Heat it slowly to about 150F. Definitely keep it below 160F. If you have large quantities of honey, they do make devices to liquify 5 gal buckets, and blets for 55 gal drums. As far as doing something besides straining the honey when it is extracted, nothing else is necessary. Hope that helps, Ron Bell Article 11897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.244.0.3!cdc2.cdc.net!news From: MrHankey@SouthPark.com (MrHankey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of bees Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:13:42 GMT Organization: None Lines: 24 Message-ID: <35368af5.17566345@news> References: <3534ACC3.E639BDC6@mis.net> <3535df32.1916631@news> <35353C14.47D9@gate.net> <35355EE2.6CB36C17@mis.net> <353613AA.7AF@gate.net> Reply-To: maggadog(NOSPAM)@(NOSPAM)marley.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm07-51.chattanooga.cdc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.478 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11897 On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:20:26 -0400, Dave Paxton wrote: >michael wrote: >> >> I asked a similar question not to long ago. It seems that any good >> exterior latex paint will do the job fine. > >Another dumb question, you do not use treated lumber either, correct? > >Dave It is my understanding that the treatment used on lumber is a very NASTY concoction not to be used around bees or anything edible. As a matter of fact some places will not make any of those free cuts in treated lumber. As for the paint question it is also my understanding that you need to use a lightly colored paint for a couple of reasons one is to avoid making the hive a heat sink and the other is not to anger the bees. It seems that darker colors they don't like. Wouldn't it be nice if you could use paint to camo your hives against unfriendly types both man and animal! Article 11898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar mixture Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998041717222100.NAA03444@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 1998 17:22:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3535847E.7E1@kingston.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11898 Boil, don't boil, boy... Heating water will make is easier to disolve the sugar. The reason you might wat to boil the misture is to stearlize it and keep it from ferminting. If you are only mixing what you will put right on the hives, you shouldn't need boiling, but if you are makin a batch which will sit for a few days before you use it all, by all means, boil it. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 11899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eqpt. wanted-N.Lincolnshire Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:43:35 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 24 Message-ID: <353778A7.1230@nt.com> References: <3531cae5.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11899 Kidney John wrote: > > I require a hive, and bees, but cannot afford new. > Can anyone in the North Lincs/Humberside help with cheap/second-hand? > Standard British Frames/dimensions.... > Thanks > > John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk > Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org > "I wish I'd said that!"-"You will, Dear Boy, you will!" Get in touch with your local beekeeping association. They quite often hold equipment auctions and prices are usually very low e.g. I got hives consisting of floor brood box and roof for 3.50 UK pounds. Bees are more difficult, tell your local council and police that you are willing to collect 'problem' swarms, you may get no calls or many calls. Local contact: Mrs. A. Holderness, 15 Holdingham, Sleaford, Lincs, NG34 8NR 01529 302774 -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: short hive move Date: 17 Apr 1998 17:01:07 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6h81sj$p4$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3536CCAF.2D6FA9D6@midtown.net> <35371a06.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11900 Kidney John (John@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk) wrote: : Don't panic though, you'll most likely only lose a few older bees, : and you could always try putting ANY container, from jam jar, to shoe : box, on the old site, and the bees will/may shelter in it, then you can : move them to the hive, though their scent may have changed slightly, and : the other bees may not accept them. But out of thirty thousand or so, : even a couple of hundred lost workers will not be a disaster! Just an additional note, you don't need to open the hive to place the lost bees from the "jar, shoebox" or whatever. Just place it [very] close to the front of the hive and they'll eventually walk right in... DT Article 11901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of bees Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:46:18 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 22 Message-ID: <35376B3A.2DDF@nt.com> References: <3534ACC3.E639BDC6@mis.net> <3535df32.1916631@news> <35353C14.47D9@gate.net> <35355EE2.6CB36C17@mis.net> <353613AA.7AF@gate.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11901 Dave Paxton wrote: > > michael wrote: > > > > I asked a similar question not to long ago. It seems that any good > > exterior latex paint will do the job fine. > > Another dumb question, you do not use treated lumber either, correct? > > Dave I don't paint my hives but I do treat my hives with wood preservative every year, brood boxes inside and out, supers outside only. I then leave them in the open for at least 3 weeks, so far (6 years) I have had no problems. I use either creosote or if I have enough money cuprinol, I don't know what the USA equivqlent is, but it is prety nasty stuff as far as insects are concerned. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!zcarh46f.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: crystalized honey Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:51:41 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35376C7D.AC3@nt.com> References: <3536C9B3.3791C272@midtown.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11902 Tromp loi wrote: > I've got some honey that I've had for a while, and it's starting to get > a little thick. Can I microwave it? Is there such thing as heating it You can microwave it, my best results have been when using 3 to 4 30 second spells with at least 2 minutes between sessions. The honey still tastes the same. My daughter forgot the 2 minute rests and it took forever to clean the microwave, the honey boiled but the taste was still OK though not as good as before -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3536CCAF.2D6FA9D6@midtown.net> Subject: Re: short hive move Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:12:39 +0100 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-235.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35371a06.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-235.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11903 Tromp loi wrote in message <3536CCAF.2D6FA9D6@midtown.net>... >I think I may of made a mistake, (hopefully a small one). > >In anticipation of having some work done where my hives normally >reside,,,I moved them about 30 or so feet. I moved them at night,,, but >the next afternoon, I noticed that there were a whole bunch of those >gals buzzing around where they used to be. It's been a couple days now >and they're still doing it. Is this anything to worry about or are they >going to find their way home? How bad off am I? > The 'rule' is "3 feet or 3 miles" (traditionally!). If you only want to move them a little way, do it in 3 foot increments, and they'll find the hive ok. If you want to move them a longish distance, move them to a temporary site 3 miles away, then after a few days move them to the new permanent site. Don't panic though, you'll most likely only lose a few older bees, and you could always try putting ANY container, from jam jar, to shoe box, on the old site, and the bees will/may shelter in it, then you can move them to the hive, though their scent may have changed slightly, and the other bees may not accept them. But out of thirty thousand or so, even a couple of hundred lost workers will not be a disaster! John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org "I wish I'd said that!" "You will, Dear Boy, you will!" Article 11904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: Split Question Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3536A5B4.7C8672A4@mediaone.net> Organization: LIFT, Inc. Message-ID: <01bd6a6d$930ca1a0$4010bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:00:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs4-16.eph.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:00:10 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11904 If the hive is nice and strong, use three frames. I like to pick frames that are carpeted with capped brood. Make sure you feed because you won't have much honey in those frames. Incidentally, if you have more than one hive, you can take three frames from each and make a nice, powerful split. I made one last year with nine frames and it's doing great. Article 11905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!nsw1.news.telstra.net!not-for-mail From: Ty Tower Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuisance Bees Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:54:37 +1000 Organization: InternetNorth Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3537DDAD.34C5B0ED@internetnorth.com.au> References: <6h32p4$j2m@news1.saix.net> <1998041602180800.WAA05387@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.14.120.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Pollinator Cache-Post-Path: sol.internetnorth.com.au!unknown@i-dialin7.internetnorth.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11905 Here is a source of honey if harnessed.Perhaps you could locate the hive they are from or the direction they are coming from and give them a bowl of meally meal spread out as widely as you can.This might keep them busy if they don't have to fly as far do you think? Meally meal is Kitchen Kaffir -They are very bright Article 11906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sahart.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Shaun" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Second Hand Equipment Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:00:42 +0100 Message-ID: <892887095.85.0.nnrp-04.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk:194.222.11.251 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 892887095 nnrp-04:85 NO-IDENT sahart.demon.co.uk:194.222.11.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11906 I have been offered the following, all in fairly good condition:- National brood box x 3 National Supers x 3 Stands x 2 National Super full of circular foundation x 1 Flat roofs x 2 Gable roofs x 2 Cover boards x 3 Entrance block and mouse guard x 1 Smoker, Hive tool, 3 feeders, mouse guard and about 40 mixed frames. I am just starting bee-keeping and would like to know how much I should pay - the person selling also is not sure of the going rate. Can anyone advise me as to a fair price please? Article 11908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cost of bees Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:33:43 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: References: <3534ACC3.E639BDC6@mis.net> <3535df32.1916631@news> <35353C14.47D9@gate.net> <35355EE2.6CB36C17@mis.net> <353613AA.7AF@gate.net> <35376B3A.2DDF@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 892926605 nnrp-09:18458 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11908 In article <35376B3A.2DDF@nt.com>, Adrian Kyte writes >I don't paint my hives but I do treat my hives with wood preservative >every year, brood boxes inside and out, supers outside only. I then >leave them in the open for at least 3 weeks, so far (6 years) I have had >no problems. I use either creosote or if I have enough money cuprinol, I >don't know what the USA equivqlent is, but it is prety nasty stuff as >far as insects are concerned. If you have used creosote, I would recommend that you leave them to air for months rather than weeks. That stuff stinks for ages afterwards. Cuprinol is a different matter. All of my woodenware is treated with this and you can use it after a couple of weeks. Be sure to only use the CLEAR version though as this does not contain any insecticide. Cuprinol should be available in the US (www.cuprinol.com). -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Bedfordshire. England Article 11909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Second Hand Equipment Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:25:20 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: References: <892887095.85.0.nnrp-04.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 892926603 nnrp-09:18458 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 52 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11909 In article <892887095.85.0.nnrp-04.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk>, Shaun writes Shaun, That is difficult to say without knowing what sort of condition they are in or what sort of wood they are made from. Also, I expect that they would have had bees in them at some time so it would be nice to know what killed them (if it was American Foulbrood they would be worthless and should have been destroyed). However, on the assumption that they are ok, I have quoted the "new" price from a suppliers catalogue(Thornes of Wragby - www.thorne.co.uk). It is up to you how much you are prepared to pay for them. >I have been offered the following, all in fairly good condition:- > >National brood box x 3 £30.44 each in Western Red Cedar >National Supers x 3 £22.44 each >Stands x 2 £7.35 each >National Super full of circular foundation x 1 Not sure what you mean here. If they are Ross rounds, expect about £12.77 for the section rack alone. >Flat roofs x 2 If they are 4" deep, expect £29.01. If they are 6" deep expect £33.88 each. >Gable roofs x 2 £31.08 each >Cover boards x 3 Not sure, say about £8.00 each >Entrance block and mouse guard x 1 >Smoker, Hive tool, 3 feeders, mouse guard and about 40 mixed frames. smoker ~£25, hive tool ~£8, feeder (what sort? - to give you an idea, ashforth ~£26, frame ~£7). > >I am just starting bee-keeping and would like to know how much I should >pay - the person selling also is not sure of the going rate. >Can anyone advise me as to a fair price please? > > > I can't really recommend a fair price as some of it may well be junk. The prices that I have given you above are for good quality woodenware straight from the supplier. Clearly, that is not what you are dealing with though. What is it worth to you? -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Bedfordshire. England Article 11910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.14!news4.epix.net!nntp.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Following the Bloom" Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:41:36 -0700 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35395650.1658@epix.net> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd-242ppp51.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11910 I have just read "Following the Bloom" by Douglas Whynott, published l99l. It is a delightful book about migratory beekeeping, both past and present. I highly recommend it to anyone with any interest in bees. And to Douglas Whynott, if you are out there, I really enjoyed it. Burns Article 11911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!news.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used equipment wanted in NYS Date: 19 Apr 1998 02:39:37 GMT Organization: Dreamscape Online Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd6b3c$67f59740$42fe04d1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: sa11-p2.dreamscape.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11911 Wanted : used beekeeping equipment. We have and extractor but would like to add a clarifier, honey pump, and maybe a chain uncapper. Also, I would like to find some used woodenware with good comb if possible. Please respond to : dnorth@dreamscape.com Article 11912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.cs.utwente.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Abe Maaijen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: here is a plan for an extractor Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:27:19 +0200 Organization: Aannemersbedrijf Abe Maaijen Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3539C377.5F6A@xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: ztm07-19.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-XS4ALL-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:27:36 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11912 Some times there are people who asked for a plan to make an extractor. I build mine own. I made a drawing and put that on mine homepage. Also a material list (sorry until now only in dutch). If you are interrested have a look. http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/honeybee.html Please drop an smal note by E-mail if you like it. -- Remove [-nospam] from mine E-mail adress if you like to respond. Abe Maaijen E-mail maaijen@xs4all.nl Beijerscheweg 73 Homepage http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/ 2821 NE Stolwijk The Netherlands Article 11913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: As to just what bee's will live in Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1998041917491200.NAA29524@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Apr 1998 17:49:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11913 I've seen a few post's concerning different types of paint used both inside and outside of hives. Also have seen questions about sizes and types of boxes. Well an experiance that I had last year capturing a wild hive has led me to believe that honey bees will live anywhere under any condition no matter what the hive is coated with , inside or out ! The hive : A 30 gallon Tar barrel somewhere around 40 years old half buried among @ 50 more barrel's ! Inner coating : pure asphalt tar, still pliable and aprox 8 inches deep from front to back. The wax was attached to it. The hive was huge, filling the barrel and there were about 12 lbs. of bees residing therein. The tar had no effect on varroa as there were enough running around on the cone to be seen with no problem. The barrel was removed to a location suitable for transfer of the bees to a box hive, barrel cut open with a saw-all and very little of the natural comb was used mainly due to it's collapse on movement. next day after all bee's finished moving, the barrel, wax, and thousands of varroa were all allowed to meet their maker in a blaze of glory. This year the hive is doing very well, was given a new queen and i'm looking forward to a little honey for my trouble !! Ya'll come see us, HK Johnson Lillington NC Article 11914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peernews.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top Bar Hives Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:14:45 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <353a58c3.492646@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2-55.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11914 I have recently been reading about the use of Top Bar Hives and have been impressed with their inexpensive construction. Are there any people in the UK using Top Bar Hives ? Do you use Queen Excluders in top bar hives ? Article 11915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peernews.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Contamination of Wax Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:14:46 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <353a5929.594671@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2-55.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11915 I read recently that using Apistan may contaminate the Wax from the Hive in some way. Is this true and, if so, how ? Article 11916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: crystalized honey Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:18:19 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3536C9B3.3791C272@midtown.net> <35376C7D.AC3@nt.com> <3537b0d9.770103@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 892982114 nnrp-08:26010 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11916 In article <3537b0d9.770103@news.pavilion.net>, Steve Newport writes >uy a broken fridge/freezer and stip all shelves. Fix in base a 60 - >100 W light bulb on floor of fridge and cover with metal 'bridge' >(this acts to spread convection heat). Place Hiney in tank on shelf >above light and leave. It also serves to melt wax. Place about 2 inches (5cm) of water in the bottom of the bucket and leave for about 48 hours. When cooled the wax can be lifted out leaving most of the dross in the bottom. In the cause of safety, take care not to use too high a wattage lamp or to leave for too long. -- Stinger Article 11917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.bc.net!felix.junction.net!not-for-mail From: ajceqljg@somethingreal.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: $$$$$FAST CASH, GUARANTEED, NO RISK$$$$$$ Date: 19 Apr 1998 18:40:17 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 371 Message-ID: <6hdgeh$er5$804@news.junction.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.96.112 X-Newsreader: 2.0.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11917 **************************************************************** * This Article was Posted By an unregistered version of: * * Newsgroup AutoPoster 95 * * Send email address for info! 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In the example above you posted 200 letters, if you posted 500 letters you could receive over $244,000.00. Check the math yourself, I want you to, but I guarantee it's correct! With this kind of return, you've got to try it. Try it once and you will do it again, GUARANTEED! So, are you still skeptical? If you are, at least do yourself a favor and print or save a copy of this letter right now and think about it. That way, when you realize that's there's no way that you can get scammed from this, you can just go back to it, add your address, send your $1 to the 7 people listed, post your letter to some newsgroups, and then wait for the dirty looks from the postal worker when he/she has to stuff your mailbox full of envelopes day after day! So here's the list: ****IMPORTANT**** You must send one dollar to the people listed or this program will not work properly. It's a very small risk. A very small expense, HUGE potential returns! HERE ARE YOUR NEW ASSOCIATES - SEND $1 EACH TO: (AND YOU'RE NEXT!!!) ********************************************** * * * * * * 1. M.ROE * * 2151 WEST FAIR AVE. # 116 * * LANCASTER, OH. 43130 * * * * * 2. ATC * * PO Box 434 * * Sturtevant, WI 53177-0434 * * * * 3. AROD * * P. O. BOX 6422 * * GREAT FALLS, MT 59406-6422 * * * * 4. KFAY, * * MAIN STREET, * * BALLYHEIGUE, * * CO.KERRY, * * IRELAND. * * * * 5. Timothy Laurent * * 626 E. 115 #201 * * Cleveland, OH 44106 * * * * 6. S.J.O * * 809 Grand Avenue * * Hartford, WI 53027 * * * * 7. Tera Dae * * RR#2, Site 61, Comp 72, * * SUMMERLAND B.C. * * CANADA * * V0H 1Z0 * ********************************************** To post this out over the internet you could browse through areas And find the newsgroups that you like, all you have to do is cut and Paste this letter wherever you are on the internet. Remember it doesn't Cost anything to post on the Internet. Send out a lot, it's inexpensive. ***Keep in mind there is no limit to the amount of letters you could post. The more letters you post the more money you make. We strongly encourage you to post to as many newsgroups as you can. *** P.S. You've read this far so let me ask you a question. Q. What have you got to lose? A. Only 7 dollars. What you can gain is an income, like the example in the letter. Very small risk. Very small expense, HUGE potential returns! What do you have to lose? WISHING YOU A HAPPY SUCCESS AND HAVE A GREAT 1998 $$$$$$$$$$ P.P.S. We have a very high return at this point! ! ! ~~~~~~~~~ HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS FAST WITH YOUR WEB BROWSER: *** JUST COPY AND PASTE! *** *** HIGHLIGHT and COPY the text of this posted message. *** Then PASTE it into a plain text editor (Wordpad or Notepad). *** SAVE IT. *** THEN, simply COPY and PASTE the text into the message composition window, after selecting a newsgroup, and post it! That's it! (Or you can "ATTACH" the file - see below) When you first COPY this message in this newsgroup, you need to highlight entirely with the cursor. Then to PASTE into a text program you can either use CTRL-V, SHIFT-INSERT, or at the top from your menu bar click "EDIT" and then "PASTE" (All 3 will work). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you have Netscape Navigator 3.0 do the following: 1. Click on any newsgroup like normal, then click on 'TO NEWS'. This will bring up a box to type a message in. 2. Leave the newsgroup box like it is, change the subject box to something flashy, something to catch the eye, as "$$$ NEED CASH$$$?!!READ HERE!$!$!$" or "$$$!!!MAKE FAST CASH, YOU CAN'T LOSE!!!$$$". Or you can use my subject title. 3. Now click on 'ATTACHMENTS'. Then click on 'ATTACH FILE'. Find your file on your Hard Disk (the one you saved from the text editor). Once you find it, click on it and then click 'OPEN' and 'OK'. You should now see your file name in the attachments box. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE LETTER COPIED BEFORE YOU DO !!! 4. Now click on 'SEND'/'POST'. THAT'S ALL! You see? Now you just have 199 to go!!! (You can post to multiple newsgroups with a single posting, however, use netiquette and only post to 10-20 at a time...no one wants to scroll through a long list of additional newsgroups before they can read your message!)(Don't worry, it's easy and quick once you get used to it.) NOTE: All the versions of Netscape Navigator's are similar to each other, so you'll have no problem doing this if you don't have Netscape Navigator 3.0. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (FOR A QUICK TIP)! Netscape Navigator 3.x and above) You can post this message to many newsgroups at a time, by simply selecting a newsgroup near the top of the screen, hold down the SHIFT, and then select a newsgroup near the bottom of the screen. All of the newsgroups in/between will be selected. After that, you follow/do the basic steps, stated below in this letter, except step #1. You can go to the page stated below in this letter and click on a newsgroup to open up the newsgroups window. Once you've done this, in the same window go to 'OPTIONS', and then mark 'SHOW ALL NEWSGROUPS' and 'SHOW ALL MESSAGES'. Now you can see all the newsgroups and you can apply easier the above tip. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you have MS INTERNET EXPLORER do the following: 1. Go to the newsgroups and press 'POST AN ARTICLE'. To the new window type your headline in the subject area and then click in the large window below. There either PASTE your letter (which it's been copied from the text editor), or attach the file which contains it. 2. Then click on 'SEND' or 'OK'. NOTE: All versions of MS Internet Explorer are similar to each other, so you won't have any problem doing this. GENERAL NOTES ON POSTING: A nice page where you'll find all the newsgroups if you want help is http://www.liszt.com/ (When you go to the home page, click on the link 'Newsgroup Directory'). But I don't think you'll have any problem posting because it's very easy once you've found the newsgroups. All these web browsers are similar. It doesn't matter which one you have. (But it makes it very easy if you have Netscape Navigator 3.0 or later. You may download it from the Internet if you don't have it.) You just have to remember the basic steps, stated below. BASIC STEPS FOR POSTING: 1. Find a newsgroup and you click on it. 2. You click on 'POST A NEW ARTICLE' or 'TO NEWS' or anything else similar to these. 3. You type your flashy headline in the subject box. 4. Now you PASTE the letter. (You have to COPY it from the text editor, of course, from before.) 5. Finally, you click on 'SEND' or 'POST' or 'OK', whatever is there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world Within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large Amount of mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** (*** CAN ALSO USE: 1) CHAT GROUPS 2) WORD OF MOUTH 3) REGULAR MAIL) ANOTHER EXCELLENT PROGRAM : "AutoPoster" http://www.spck.se/bulk/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MULTIPLE POSTING ON HUNDEREDS OF NEWSGROUPS AT ONCE . The worlds most effective AutoPoster to Internets newsgroups! 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Keep an eye on the newsgroups and when the cash has stopped coming (that means your name is no longer on the list), you just take the latest posting at the newsgroups, send another $7.00. ==================================================================== Article 11919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Alzheimers and Beekeeping Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:41:25 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <353AB5D5.4A6C@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.26.149.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11919 Hi all! I have noticed that many of my beekeeper club/association friends or members are well into their advanced years. Yet, all of them are keen-minded and none of them have Alzheimers disease. Beekeeping may be an activity that may prevent Alzheimers. If you know of any beekeeper that has Alzheimers...let me know Let me know if that beekeeper was NEVER stung. Please help. drlalo@earthlink.net Thanks Article 11920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: martindon@juno.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Deja News GA beekeeping conditions Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:07:39 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6he74r$e9t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.213.212.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 20 01:07:39 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: abraham (MSProxy/1.0) for 208.213.212.58 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11920 Greetings I have been lurking on this newsgroup and in the past have even posted a few questions using names and e-mail addresses with previous online services. I have been very frustrated with past news servers that were down half the time, slow, and hard to use. I would like to take this time to tell you about a great thing that I have discovered it is called My Deja News it is a great improvement over th old Deja News service. Point your search engine to My Deja News you wont be disappointed. On a beekeeping note we in the Atlanta GA USA area are getting ready for our first good nectar flows. The tulip poplar and black berries are just starting to bloom I have split several hives this spring and am going into the flow with 10 hives. The bees are bringing in a strong smelling nectar and a pollen so yellow they are staining the landing board. Got to tuck in the kids so long for now keeepsbees -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.sgi.com!wetware!dailyplanet.wsrcc.com!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: crystalized honey Date: 20 Apr 1998 06:50:19 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6her7c$o3c@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <3537b0d9.770103@news.pavilion.net> <3536C9B3.3791C272@midtown.net> <35376C7D.AC3@nt.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11921 Big refer or small person! But leaving? (I'm really sorry - it's been a long hard day.... In a previous article, snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) says: >Place Hiney in tank on shelf above light and leave. > >This avoids all problems with Microwaves and localised over heating in >the honey. -- Article 11922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.227.0.16!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: Dave Paxton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: crystalized honey Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:25:32 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <353B4CCC.36D7@gate.net> References: <3537b0d9.770103@news.pavilion.net> <3536C9B3.3791C272@midtown.net> <35376C7D.AC3@nt.com> <6her7c$o3c@ednet2.orednet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl7-22.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11922 Richard Yarnell wrote: > > Big refer or small person! But leaving? (I'm really sorry - it's been a > long hard day.... Maybe he was thinking of a favorite beer nicknamed Hiney > > In a previous article, snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) says: > > >Place Hiney in tank on shelf above light and leave. > > > >This avoids all problems with Microwaves and localised over heating in > >the honey. > > -- > Article 11923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: crystalized honey Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998042016210300.MAA22287@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1998 16:21:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6her7c$o3c@ednet2.orednet.org> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11923 Sounds like the waste of a good Hiney. Hope she doesn't mind being left. Maybe we could safety sealer her for "Your and my protection" Just a thought! A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 11924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving Short Distances Date: 20 Apr 98 10:30:50 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bd6c71$4b7e13e0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11924 I have to move a hive about 25ft. The bees are flying already and I've read that just moving the whole distance at once won't work. Can anyone tell me how far I can move the hive in 1 night and how often I can make a move? Would it help any to rotate the hive so that the entrance is facing a different direction? Lisa Keeler lkeeler@dowagro.com Article 11925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Owners Big Bear Products" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Supplies and Sources in Michigan Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:40:38 -0500 Lines: 35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009D_01BD6BE4.2D0EC4A0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: p49.a2.56k.ic.net Message-ID: <353ad097.0@news.ic.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p49.a2.56k.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11925 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01BD6BE4.2D0EC4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please let me know of any apiary sources in Michigan, central and = southwest areas preferred. 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------=_NextPart_000_009D_01BD6BE4.2D0EC4A0-- Article 11926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: crystalized honey Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:49:52 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3537b0d9.770103@news.pavilion.net> References: <3536C9B3.3791C272@midtown.net> <35376C7D.AC3@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2-06.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11926 Cheap method would seem one that I read a while ago. Buy a broken fridge/freezer and stip all shelves. Fix in base a 60 - 100 W light bulb on floor of fridge and cover with metal 'bridge' (this acts to spread convection heat). Place Hiney in tank on shelf above light and leave. This avoids all problems with Microwaves and localised over heating in the honey. On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:51:41 +0100, Adrian Kyte wrote: >Tromp loi wrote: > >> I've got some honey that I've had for a while, and it's starting to get >> a little thick. Can I microwave it? Is there such thing as heating it > >You can microwave it, my best results have been when using 3 to 4 30 >second spells with at least 2 minutes between sessions. The honey still >tastes the same. >My daughter forgot the 2 minute rests and it took forever to clean the >microwave, the honey boiled but the taste was still OK though not as >good as before >-- >Regards Adrian :-{)} >I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. >All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. >work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com >home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!winter.news.erols.com!not-for-mail From: donn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen Trap Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:03:03 -0700 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <353B7FC7.76E@erols.com> Reply-To: donnsub@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-40-157.s157.tnt11.ann.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 893097642 27135 207.172.40.157 (20 Apr 1998 18:40:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11927 A friend of mine told me there was a very very good pollen trap available from someone out here on the net. If you know of one, please let me know Article 11928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!winter.news.erols.com!not-for-mail From: Bo Wilson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Transport of Hive/Colony? Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:22:28 -0700 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <353C02E4.177@erols.com> Reply-To: bo-jan@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-244-249.s249.tnt4.rcm.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 893114401 7141 207.172.244.249 (20 Apr 1998 23:20:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11928 I am an 8th grader in the USA, and I am doing a science report about bees and how they get to different places. I read that until about 140 years ago, New Zealand didn't have enough bees or the right kind, and so they were imported from Europe. What I don't know is, how would you do this? Take a queen? Or a whole hive? And how could the hive last that long? (wouldn't it have taken a long time to go from Europe to New Zealand in the 1850's?) And also, I have read that Australia has plenty of bees. Why wouldn't they have gotten to New Zealand? Do bee swarms not go that far? And anyway, even if the swarsm don't go that far, how come they didn't just import Australian bees? I know these are a lot of questions, and you don't have to answer all of them (you don't really have to answer any of them, right?) My big question is, how could you keep a queen or a hive or eggs alive at sea for weeks and weeks in the 1850's? Thank you for your help. If I get a good grade, I'll post it here! Signed, Tim Wilson PS By the way, are you supposed to say "hive" or "colony"? I want to call things the right name. Article 11929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: joseNOphj@SPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Ahhh Spring! X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:26:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.145.76 Message-ID: <353c0524.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11929 Spring means my package bees arrived. I lost 12 hives last year to various maladies and selected a different supplier for THIS year. :) Norman's Bees shipped a week late. *NOT* thier fault given the truly bizzare weather of this last winter/spring in the south. To be honest, I am kinda surprised they are ONLY a week late. I hived 8 of the 16 I ordered, my most wonderful wife was an equal partner in this endevour. Tomorrow afternoon we expect to hive the other 8. Article 11930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news From: "R.J." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cash Opportunity-Great Rewards Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:51:01 -0600 Organization: SaskTel - Sympatico Lines: 249 Message-ID: <353C25B5.5BFF16BB@sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: yktnsk01d01030128.sk.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3D36664541B9D089E0FCAED5" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11930 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3D36664541B9D089E0FCAED5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------3D36664541B9D089E0FCAED5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="chain letter.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="chain letter.txt" The benefits greatly exceed the effort... A little while back, I was browsing these newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought," Yeah, right, this must be a scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6 position, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. The main difference between this system and others is that you have a mailing list of 6 instead of 5... This means that your average gain will be app. 15 times higher!!! So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I figured, what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, right? Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Then I invested the measly $6.00.............plus postage Well GUESS WHAT!!... within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon, and didn't give it another thought. But the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $20.00 to $30.00 dollars. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00!!!!!! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in rapidly....... It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I spent more than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works....also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need it. The process is very simple and consists of 3 easy steps: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 6 U.S. $1.00 bills (or equivalent in your local currency) and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: #1 Natalie Deviers 12260 Roland Paradis Montreal, Qc, Canada H1E 6X7 #2 Elaine Jones 1058-D Heritage Hill Drive Naperville, Illinois 60563 #3 Darla Walton 2707 N. Whipple Ct. Spokane, WA 99206 #4 K.L. Reuter 22259 N. Railroad St. Nashville, Il. 62263 #5 D.Lee Neal 18104 Lexington Farm Dr. Alpharetta, GA 30004 #6 R.J. Molyneaux P.O. Box 1439 Canada, Saskatchewan S0A 0L0 STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there is close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make! Don't know HOW to post in the newsgroups? Well do exactly the following: ----------------------------------------------------------- DIRECTIONS - HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS ----------------------------------------------------------- Step 1. You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and click and hold down your mouse button. While continuing to hold down the mouse button, drag your cursor to the bottom of this document and over to just after the last character, and release the mouse button. At this point the entire letter should be highlighted. Then, from the 'edit' pull down menu at the top of your screen select 'copy'. This will copy the entire letter into the computers memory. Step 2. Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' pull down menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. Remember to eliminate the #1 position, move everyone up a spot (re-number everyone elses positions), and add yourself in as #6. Step 3. Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your postings in different sittings, you'll always have this file to go back to. ---------------------------------------- FOR NETSCAPE USERS: ---------------------------------------- Step 4. Within the Netscape program, go to the pull-down window entitled 'Window' select 'NetscapeNews'. Then from the pull down menu 'Options', select 'Show all Newsgroups'. After a few moments a list of all the newsgroups on your server will show up. Click on any newsgroup you desire. From within this newsgroup, click on the 'TO NEWS' button, which should be in the top left corner of the newsgroups page. This will bring up a message box. Step 5. Fill in the Subject. This will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group. Step 6. Highlight the entire contents of your .txt file and copy them using the same technique as before. Go back to the newsgroup 'TO NEWS' posting you are creating and paste the letter into the body of your posting. Step 7. Hit the 'Send' Button in the upper left corner. You're done with your first one! Congratulations... -------------------------------------------------- INTERNET EXPLORER USERS: -------------------------------------------------- Step 4. Go to newsgroups and select 'Post an Article'. Step 5. Fill in the subject. Step 6. Same as #6 above Step 7. Hit the 'Post' button. ------------------------------------------- THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin reciving money from around the world within day's! You may eventually wany to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount of mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With a original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! And as I said 5 responses is actually VERY LOW! Average is probable 20 to 30! So lets put those figures at just 15 responses per person. Here is what you will make: at #6 $15.00 at #5 $225.00 at #4 $3,375.00 at #3 $50,625.00 at #2 $759,375.00 at #1 $11,390,625.00 When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is, do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. You just have to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW, also. Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. You don't need to cheat the basic idea to make the money!! GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons of extra CASH. All things possible prevailing faith, hope and love. The greatest of these being LOVE! --------------3D36664541B9D089E0FCAED5-- Article 11931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "françois et béatrice servel-merle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: French mad bees Date: 21 Apr 1998 05:13:47 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd6c5e$4fd49760$LocalHost@servel> NNTP-Posting-Host: avi2-211.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11931 -- François Servel francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle@wanadoo.fr Article 11932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "françois et béatrice servel-merle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad French Bee?? Date: 21 Apr 1998 05:13:38 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bd6c5e$28ad17c0$LocalHost@servel> References: <6h5bk0$7am$1@news.dn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: avi2-211.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11932 Since 3 or 4 years, beekeepers producing large amount of sunflower honey are very desapointed because they only produce about 1/4 of the normal production. At the same time, most of the sunflower seeds have treated with a new pesticide called "Gaucho" (bayer). This pesticide has a very strong systemic action, and the beekeepers hypothesis is that the chemical contaminates the nectar, and then the bees looses their sense of orientation. I have a report of an Italian beekeeper who told me the same phenomenom with a pesticide called "confidor" sprayed on peaches orchards to kill aphids. The active chemical of "confidor" is the same than "gaucho". We are very worrying because the use of these chemical is growing, the symptoms are difficult to see (no apparent mortality because the bees can't flight back to their hive) and also because the chemical compagnies communicate in their advs on the non dangerous effects of their products on environment. Then the ordinary cautions are not taken by the users. I know these problems because I only live from the bees. -- François Servel francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle@wanadoo.fr > > > > > Article 11933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!uninett.no!pravda.tisip.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Transport of Hive/Colony? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:42:24 -0700 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 20 Message-ID: <353CE890.5605@iet.hist.no> References: <353C02E4.177@erols.com> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11933 Tim Wilson wrote: > PS By the way, are you supposed to say "hive" or "colony"? I want to > call things the right name. Hi Tim, in English english (ie. as spoken in the UK) the bee "family" made up of the queen, the workers and drones, if any, is a colony; whereas the man-made box they live in is the hive. Hive is often used in US english to mean a colony, whether this is correct or not I have no idea. I personally would refer to a wild bee *colony* living in a hollow tree rather than to a wild *hive* in a tree. Best of luck with your report. I have often wondered the same about sea transport of bees. My understanding is that all bees in Australia and New Zealand were transported from Europe as there were no indigenous bees. Cheers, Tony Morgan Trondheim, Norway Article 11934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!winter.news.erols.com!not-for-mail From: Timmy Wilson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Transport of Hive/Colony? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:35:32 -0700 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <353CAEB4.6524@erols.com> References: <353C02E4.177@erols.com> <353CE890.5605@iet.hist.no> Reply-To: bo-jan@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-61-237.s237.tnt1.rcm.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 893158376 26559 207.172.61.237 (21 Apr 1998 11:32:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11934 Dear Mister Morgan, Thank you for your help. I'll keep the group posted about my progress. -- ________________________________________________ | | | "In America only the successful writer is | | important, in France all writers are | | important, in England no writer is | | important, and in Australia you have to | | explain what a writer is." | | Geoffrey Cottrell o888o | | §()~()§| | \ /_\ /| | \\_// | |_______________________________________________| Article 11935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: P-O Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen Trap Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:07:43 +0200 Organization: Algonet/Tninet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <353CB63F.60C35E25@algonet.se> References: <353B7FC7.76E@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: du30-242.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11935 > A friend of mine told me there was a very very good pollen trap > available from someone out here on the net. If you know of one, please > let me know There is a trap that I can strongly recommend, it made by: Straufer's Beehives RD 1, Box 489 Port Trevorton, PA 17864-9700 No email, fax or phone. You will have to write a letter. -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ Article 11936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen Trap Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:34:38 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <353CCA9E.2A41AD73@bigfoot.com> References: <353B7FC7.76E@erols.com> <353CB63F.60C35E25@algonet.se> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 893122605 EDOBMGQ.FB036D018C e4000.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11936 Why would one want a pollon trap? Thanks Larry P-O Gustafsson wrote: > > A friend of mine told me there was a very very good pollen trap > > available from someone out here on the net. If you know of one, please > > let me know > > There is a trap that I can strongly recommend, it made by: > > Straufer's Beehives > RD 1, Box 489 > Port Trevorton, PA 17864-9700 > > No email, fax or phone. You will have to write a letter. > > -- > Regards > > P-O Gustafsson, Sweden > beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ Article 11937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!msunews!jewett.tcimet.net!user From: jewett@tcimet.net (Rodney Jewett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Supplies and Sources in Michigan Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:35:18 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <353ad097.0@news.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jewett.tcimet.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11937 In article <353ad097.0@news.ic.net>, "Owners Big Bear Products" wrote: > > Please let me know of any apiary sources in Michigan, central and = > southwest areas preferred. Thanks! > > Mark > Lansing area.... Dadant & Sons 550 E. Main Potterville, MI (517)645-7629 Article 11938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6h5bk0$7am$1@news.dn.net> <01bd6c5e$28ad17c0$LocalHost@servel> Subject: Re: Mad French Bee?? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:53:59 +0100 Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-197.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <353c512b.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-197.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11938 françois et béatrice servel-merle wrote in message <01bd6c5e$28ad17c0$LocalHost@servel>... >Since 3 or 4 years, beekeepers producing large amount of sunflower honey >are very desapointed because they only produce about 1/4 of the normal >production. At the same time, most of the sunflower seeds have treated with >a new pesticide called "Gaucho" (bayer). This pesticide has a very strong >systemic action, and the beekeepers hypothesis is that the chemical >contaminates the nectar, and then the bees looses their sense of >orientation. I have a report of an Italian beekeeper who told me the same >phenomenom with a pesticide called "confidor" sprayed on peaches orchards >to kill aphids. The active chemical of "confidor" is the same than >"gaucho". We are very worrying because the use of these chemical is >growing, the symptoms are difficult to see (no apparent mortality because >the bees can't flight back to their hive) and also because the chemical >compagnies communicate in their advs on the non dangerous effects of their >products on environment. Then the ordinary cautions are not taken by the >users. > >I know these problems because I only live from the bees. >-- >François Servel >francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle@wanadoo.fr >> > >> How can any manufacturer say that their insecticides do not harm the environment? Aren't insects part of the environment? Ipso facto........... John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org "I wish I'd said that!" "You will, Dear Boy, you will!" Article 11939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: cl.ivert@wanadoo.fr (claude Ivert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French mad bees Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:36:06 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <353cd8e6.5213474@news.wanadoo.fr> References: <01bd6c5e$4fd49760$LocalHost@servel> NNTP-Posting-Host: marse2-90.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11939 On 21 Apr 1998 05:13:47 GMT, "françois et béatrice servel-merle" wrote: Salut , ou est le message ? c'est un essai ? A+ > >-- >François Servel >francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle@wanadoo.fr claude ivert Aix en Provence FRANCE page apicole http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cl.ivert Article 11940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!news.rccn.net!ualg.pt!not-for-mail From: Luis Mendes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: peach orchard Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:56:16 +0100 Organization: Servico de News da Universidade do Algarve Lines: 3 Message-ID: <353CDDC0.49292EF8@aaual.ualg.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.11.84.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11940 I need some information how to establish a peach orchard Article 11941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!news.rccn.net!ualg.pt!not-for-mail From: Luis Mendes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: peach orchard Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:57:45 +0100 Organization: Servico de News da Universidade do Algarve Lines: 3 Message-ID: <353CDE19.97C43425@aaual.ualg.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.11.84.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11941 i need some information how to establish a peach orchard Article 11942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newscon04!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smokey Mtn. Bee Co.?? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:12:15 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6hiuj1$2loi$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bostonmadp37-184.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 21 Apr 1998 20:12:17 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/9b2459a28b65ffb6 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11942 Have been trying to contact this company for weeks with no results. Any news would be appreciated. Article 11943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <353C02E4.177@erols.com> <353CE890.5605@iet.hist.no> Subject: Re: Transport of Hive/Colony? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:35:25 +0100 Lines: 40 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-248.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <353c8a14.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-248.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11943 Anthony N. Morgan wrote in message <353CE890.5605@iet.hist.no>... >Tim Wilson wrote: > >> PS By the way, are you supposed to say "hive" or "colony"? I want to >> call things the right name. > >Hi Tim, >in English english (ie. as spoken in the UK) the bee "family" made up of >the queen, the workers and drones, if any, is a colony; whereas the >man-made box they live in is the hive. Hive is often used in US english >to mean a colony, whether this is correct or not I have no idea. I >personally would refer to a wild bee *colony* living in a hollow tree >rather than to a wild *hive* in a tree. > >Best of luck with your report. I have often wondered the same about sea >transport of bees. My understanding is that all bees in Australia and >New Zealand were transported from Europe as there were no indigenous >bees. > >Cheers, Tony Morgan >Trondheim, Norway One thing which often 'bugs' me is the use of the term 'swarm' to describe a colony of bees, when the swarm is actually the bee colony's method of reproduction! So we have, the hive is where the bees live (which I suppose could just as easily be applied to a hole in the tree), a colony is a 'family' of bees, with a queen, some drones, and a lot of workers, and a swarm is how the bees reproduce their colony. A nucleus is a small colony, which one hopes will grow into a larger colony! John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org The Herring is a Lucky Fish, From all Disease Inured, For if He Should be Caught at Sea, Immediately he's cured! Give Spike Milligan a Knighthood! Article 11944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6h5roh$nho$1@talia.mad.ibernet.es> Subject: Re: web in spanish Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:02:34 -0400 Lines: 35 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-23.cvl.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-23.cvl.hom.net Message-ID: <353d3517.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!130.207.244.18!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!pm3-1-user-23.cvl.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11944 Hola Amigo, Vaya a este Web page... http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? Traducirá cualquier Web page que usted desee en el español para usted. También traducirá cualquier conexión que usted siga en español con facilidad... Espere que esto le ayude... Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Honey Co. 1304 Davis Avenue Perry, GA 31069-2704 (912) 987-1304 http://GEORGIAHONEY.com BeeMan@Georgia.com SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA OCTOBER 9th - 18th 1997 http://www.gnfa.com met wrote in message <6h5roh$nho$1@talia.mad.ibernet.es>... >I need know if there are webs in spanish about beekeeping >thanks. > > > Article 11945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redshrike@aol.com (Red shrike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Extactor? Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998042203395900.XAA19418@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 1998 03:39:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11945 I live in the New Jersey area and have a few hives. Does anyone have a used (or new even) extractor that is for sale. I am keeping bees as a hobby so don't want to spend a lot of money. I can rent an extractor near-by but would prefer my own equipment. Thank you in advance for any responses. Gabe Redshrike@aol.com Article 11946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokey Mtn. Bee Co.?? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:21:04 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 22 Message-ID: <353D45FF.7C15ECCD@valley.net> References: <6hiuj1$2loi$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-141.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11946 Zadigvolta wrote: > Have been trying to contact this company for weeks with no results. Any > news would be appreciated. according to their website, they took heavy losses from the 'super mite' [read: Apistan resistant Varroa mite]down in florida , on the order of 95%, and will not have packages or queens available before june 98. their url is: http://www.buyfromhome.com/smokeybees/index.html bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Mystery hive Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:48:34 +0100 Lines: 47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-202.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <353d958e.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-202.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11947 JG in NY wrote in message ... >In article , cc@broadwing.com (CC) wrote: > >> Checked our hives this past weekend. One at our house, two at a friend's. >> >> One hive at our friend's locations was empty - maybe two handfuls of dead >> bees. The other hive had very good numbers and was quite active. >> >> The mystery hive still had honey in it, although some of the cells looked >> as if they had been "ripped"open. Any ideas where they went? >> >> On another note, we combined two hives last year (at our house), and now >> have three deep hive boxes. What's the best way to get them back down to >> two? >> >> > >By early spring colonies in three deeps have usually abandoned the lowest >one, and are using it mainly as a passageway. So just remove the bottom >box, clean off the debris from the floor, and set the other two down. The >removed one can be leaned up against the hive for a day or two for any >bees in it to leave. I have only ever known it to happen once, but bees have been known to 'abscond'. If they decide they don't like the hive, or need a bigger place, or who knows what reasons there may be, they'll all just pack up and go! A few workers who happened to be out at the time will return to the hive, only to find the colony has left! Sometimes brood is simply left to die.............Fortunately this is extremely rare.... John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org The Herring is a Lucky Fish, From all Disease Inured, For if He Should be Caught at Sea, Immediately he's cured! Give Milligoon Knighthood! Or a Peerage! Or a Nobel Prize! Article 11948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Unusual Hives Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:18:53 +0100 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-250.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <353d8c63.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-250.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11948 I am looking for a very simple, even primitive type of hive, skep, bee-bole, simple 'box', etc., but with the facility to keep the queen/brood area separate from the honey chamber. Suggestions would be apreciated. I have considered the 'top bar hive' with a 'frame' adapted by the addition of queen excluder, so that the brood chamber/honey chamber can be adjusted as required. What do you reckon? The motivation here is for simplicity, novelty, and lowest possible cost. John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org The Herring is a Lucky Fish, From all Disease Inured, For if He Should be Caught at Sea, Immediately he's cured! Give Milligoon Knighthood! Or a Peerage! Or a Nobel Prize! Article 11949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Utilisateur Formation" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bd6c5e$4fd49760$LocalHost@servel> Subject: Re: French mad bees Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:22:33 +0100 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.29.162 Message-ID: <353dc4d0.0@news1.ibm.net> X-Trace: 22 Apr 1998 10:22:08 GMT, 139.92.29.162 Organization: IBM.NET X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!139.92.29.162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11949 essai françois et béatrice servel-merle wrote in message <01bd6c5e$4fd49760$LocalHost@servel>... > >-- >François Servel >francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle@wanadoo.fr Article 11950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!ais.net!WCG!katana!not-for-mail Message-ID: <353DF3F2.C88300F3@mis.net> From: michael spillane X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wobbley hive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:43:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.113 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:43:24 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11950 One book said a 12 year old can put together hives and keep bees. I guess they don't know me. I put my first two hives together, painted them, set one body on the bottom board and it wobbles. There is about a 1/16 inch gap at two opposite corners. Is this going to cause me trouble like rain getting in or cold in the winter? Is there anything I can do to fix it. As you might guess I'm not to handy nor bright when it comes to this kind of stuff. Thank you for you time, Michael Article 11951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.227.0.16!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: Dave Paxton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual Hives Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:41:49 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <353E01AD.301C@gate.net> References: <353d8c63.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl9-90.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11951 Kidney John wrote: > > I am looking for a very simple, even primitive type of hive, skep, > bee-bole, simple 'box', etc., but with the facility to keep the > queen/brood area separate from the honey chamber. Suggestions would be > apreciated. I found some interesting top bar systems but have never found out how they keep the queen out of the honey hives. 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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BD6DED.1FE32AE0-- Article 11953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.abs.net!news-nyc.telia.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!news From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: $600$ OFFER $600$ REWARD-OFFER $600$ REWARD-OFFER$600$.. REWARD- Date: 13 Apr 1998 23:44:39 GMT Organization: Telecom Italia Net Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6gu817$967@everest.vol.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip061.pool-01.flashnet.it Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11953 I'M CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR THESE 2 HONG KONG CITIZENS: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ KULRAO RATHOUR TEL 00852/5702170-----FAX 00852/8878627 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SO TAK ON POSSIBLE PHONES NUMS: 23480445 SOU MOU PING KOWLOON 23647531 HO MANTINI KOWLOON 24570679 TUEN MUN NEW TERRITORIES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OFFERING REWARD----------->600 US$<----------- FOR ANYONE GIVES INFORMATIONS AND ACTIONS LEADING TO HAVE BACK A CERTAIN AMMOUNT OF MONEY EMAIL IF YOU CAN HELP US: amonici@hotmail.com Article 12016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wobbley hive Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:50:52 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: <6jqKhDA8DNQ1IwAb@adrem.demon.co.uk> References: <353DF3F2.C88300F3@mis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 893582933 nnrp-06:552 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12016 In article <353DF3F2.C88300F3@mis.net>, michael spillane writes > One book said a 12 year old can put together hives and keep >bees. I guess they don't know me. I put my first two hives together, >painted them, set one body on the bottom board and it wobbles. There is >about a 1/16 inch gap at two opposite corners. Is this going to cause >me trouble like rain getting in or cold in the winter? Is there >anything I can do to fix it. As you might guess I'm not to handy nor >bright when it comes to this kind of stuff. > > Thank you for you time, Michael > > I always find it best to assemble the hive parts on a level surface and check for square (diagonals are equal in length) before gluing/nailing anything together. Of course, this advice probably comes a little late for you. -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Bedfordshire. England Article 12017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.uow.edu.au!metro!ob1.uws.edu.au!news From: "Omar" <95773113@hawkesbury.uws.edu.au> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Transport of Hive/Colony? Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:57:20 +1000 Organization: University of Western Sydney Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6hullq$k3n@ob1.uws.EDU.AU> References: <353C02E4.177@erols.com> <01bd7097$ed02d3c0$c480a19d@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.154.229.30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2201.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2201.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12017 Good Day I think you may found your answer in a book called "The Migrant Bee" it talkes about introducing Europian Bees to Australia. Sorry I do not remember the auther's name. I will find out and send it to you next week when I go to the uni-library. Omar honeybeeman@hotmail.com francis wrote in message <01bd7097$ed02d3c0$c480a19d@default>... > > >Bo Wilson schrieb im Beitrag <353C02E4.177@erols.com>... >> I am an 8th grader in the USA, and I am doing a science report about >> bees and how they get to different places. >> >> I read that until about 140 years ago, New Zealand didn't have enough >> bees or the right kind, and so they were imported from Europe. >> >> What I don't know is, how would you do this? Take a queen? Or a whole >> hive? And how could the hive last that long? (wouldn't it have taken a >> long time to go from Europe to New Zealand in the 1850's?) Article 12018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual Hives Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:25:55 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <354322f7.104109609@news.earthlink.net> References: <353d8c63.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.62 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12018 "Kidney John" wrote: >I am looking for a very simple, even primitive type of hive, skep, >bee-bole, simple 'box', etc., but with the facility to keep the >queen/brood area separate from the honey chamber... >I have considered the 'top bar hive' with a 'frame' adapted by the >addition of queen excluder, so that the brood chamber/honey chamber can >be adjusted as required. Queen excluders are not needed on top-bar hives. Honey is separated naturally on the sides of the brood nest that can be harvested without destoying brood. If you are going "primitive" regarding a hive, a queen excluder is probably the last thing you'll want. Each style of bee hive should be accompanied by its own appropriate management techniques. I've read several reports of attempts to "super" or add a queen excluder to top-bar hives, or otherwise semi-convert a top-bar hive back to the modern hive, but this is all unneccesary as bees will normally put honey on the sides as well as on top of brood. A different style of hive simply requires some different bee management techniques. John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 12019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!ip-234.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:48:03 -0400 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-234.skylands.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12019 Hello! I've posted 2 historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to other mead sites at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More, A Collection of 15th Century Recipes" and "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ Article 12020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <353DF3F2.C88300F3@mis.net> <6jqKhDA8DNQ1IwAb@adrem.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Wobbley hive Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:38:50 +0100 Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-246.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <354301bc.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-246.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12020 Paul Walton wrote in message <6jqKhDA8DNQ1IwAb@adrem.demon.co.uk>... >In article <353DF3F2.C88300F3@mis.net>, michael spillane > writes >> One book said a 12 year old can put together hives and keep >>bees. I guess they don't know me. I put my first two hives together, >>painted them, set one body on the bottom board and it wobbles. There is >>about a 1/16 inch gap at two opposite corners. Is this going to cause >>me trouble like rain getting in or cold in the winter? Is there >>anything I can do to fix it. As you might guess I'm not to handy nor >>bright when it comes to this kind of stuff. By the time it has some weight in it, bees,comb, honey, the gap will be pressed closed! Don't worry. And congratulations on building your first hive!" '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John jaf@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Article 12021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: circuit@bigfoot.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: packaged bees on schedule? Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:01:07 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3543AEA3.8846CCA7@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 893628033 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12021 I got my 3 lb package the 11th of April, I started them on foundation and am continuously feeding them. There also is plenty blooming here in South Alabama. As of today there are about 2 frames fully filled out, and 5 more partially filled. On the center frames about 2, their is capped brood, on all the rest there is either a combination of pupa or eggs and or capped, with nectar and 3 colors of pollen. Bright orange, yellow and green-grey. I have added another brood box on top of the first one to hold the sugar water in a feeder frame and I put some foundation in it also. Question: 1. Is it too early to put on more foundation? 2. I never saw green/grey pollen, does anybody know what it is? 3. Does it seem that my bees are on schedule? Thank you. Larry Article 12022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: just_starting_up Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:20:54 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6i0c05$our$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35425407.3108311@news.tir.com> <6hu5ga$ahm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6hu899$o7f@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.14 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 26 22:20:54 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12022 In article <6hu899$o7f@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, "dbolton" wrote: > > I got an email from weaver the other day and they are all sold out and > several others as well in the southwest. Good Luck. Danny > > How many where packages were you ordering? They might not be able to cover an order for 50 or 1,000 - being the point - while perhaps one might be a possibility - though there does come a point where even one is more than you can muster up. The package trade has boomed while the mites have devastated so many. But you can do something about making up your own losses EVEN IF you live in the North and DON'T migrate. Fact is you can increase your numbers and still make honey too if ya do it right - yep even despite the blasted mites. It requires some changes in "typical" management but it ain't exactly rocket science. Using/breeding bee stock more suited for today's realities, timing treatments to match mite biology, and insuring plenty of stores all work together to insure we have enough bees come Spring despite staying firmly planted in the North. (basically we use a combination of HIP stock, "Treatment Timing Tips," and Kirk Webster's "Overwintering of Nucs") Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web page/update Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:29:14 -0400 Lines: 55 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.165 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.165 Message-ID: <3543b512.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.165 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12023 Greetings! I have updated my pages..don't forget to go to the beelinks pages for more information. Midnitebee(Herb) http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Why Mark Queens? Cake & Eating it Too Part 2 Lousy Queen Also,do not forget the EAS 1998 Conference!! Special Remarks about EAS Swarming and it's Control Trends in Maine Beekeeping Catching a Swarm A Year in the Apiary Managing the Honeybee Queen My Bee Photos My Humble Opinions Wellmark Urges Proper Use of Apistan Bee Stings Mineral Oil and the Honeybee Mineral Oil Part #2 ( P.S.by Dr. Rodriquez) Honeybees and Beekeepers AFRICANIZED AND EUROPEAN HONEY BEES Pollination-this is a MUST read for ALL who are interested in the Facts about the honeybee's contribution to pollination! Queen rearing and Mite Resistant Quuen Bees -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 12024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: circuit@bigfoot.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: treating with essential oils Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:50:00 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3543C828.A14EF4AF@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 893634329 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet85.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12024 Her's a link to a page with alot of information on treating mites with essential oils. http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm Larry Article 12025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: circuit@bigfoot.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: packaged bees on schedule? Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:54:15 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3543C927.334BB650@bigfoot.com> References: <3543AEA3.8846CCA7@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 893634584 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet85.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12025 Another observation was about 3 hatched cells that appeared to be queen cells but they were in the middle of the frames. They stuck out about 3/4" past the rest of the cells. Why would a new hive make queen cells? Larry circuit@bigfoot.com wrote: > I got my 3 lb package the 11th of April, I started them on > foundation and am continuously feeding them. There also is plenty > blooming here in South Alabama. As of today there are about 2 frames > fully filled out, and 5 more partially filled. On the center frames > about 2, their is capped brood, on all the rest there is either a > combination of pupa or eggs and or capped, with nectar and 3 colors of > pollen. Bright orange, yellow and green-grey. > I have added another brood box on top of the first one to hold the > sugar water in a feeder frame and I put some foundation in it also. > Question: > 1. Is it too early to put on more foundation? > 2. I never saw green/grey pollen, does anybody know what it is? > 3. Does it seem that my bees are on schedule? > > Thank you. > Larry Article 12026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen's Wings? Date: 27 Apr 1998 00:14:38 GMT Organization: Infinet L.C. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6i0ile$vqn$1@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7-199.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12026 While looking at my Italian queen today, I noticed her wings are actually smaller than on the workers. Do these wings become smaller after the mating flight? The wings I saw could not support flight. Jack Article 12027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: False Swarm? Date: 27 Apr 1998 00:24:09 GMT Organization: Infinet L.C. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6i0j79$vqn$2@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7-199.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12027 I got a very small swarm yesterday, maybe 7-8 inches in diameter. Took the entire branch with the swarm, so know I got the queen, if there WAS a queen. There continues to be a small cluster in the tree adjacent to where the swarm was. When I take this second cluster down it is apparent there is no queen. I added these to a new hive body location about half a mile away. I'll take a close look tomorrow, but wonder, because of the small swarm size, if there ARE false swarms, w/o a queen? Jack Article 12028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: False Swarm? Date: 27 Apr 1998 00:45:44 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6i0kfo$gbs@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6i0j79$vqn$2@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.102.163 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12028 I recently had a single hive issue 6 swarms (that I could verify). Each was progressively smaller and each had a virgin queen (except of course the primary swarm). -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Jack Price wrote in article <6i0j79$vqn$2@nw003t.infi.net>... > I got a very small swarm yesterday, maybe 7-8 inches > in diameter. Took the entire branch with the swarm, so > know I got the queen, if there WAS a queen. > > There continues to be a small cluster in the tree adjacent > to where the swarm was. When I take this second cluster > down it is apparent there is no queen. I added these to a > new hive body location about half a mile away. > > I'll take a close look tomorrow, but wonder, because of the > small swarm size, if there ARE false swarms, w/o a queen? > > Jack > > Article 12029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: False Swarm? Date: 27 Apr 1998 01:22:47 GMT Organization: Infinet L.C. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6i0ml7$32m$1@nw001t.infi.net> References: <6i0j79$vqn$2@nw003t.infi.net> <6i0kfo$gbs@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-48.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12029 In article <6i0kfo$gbs@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" says: > >I recently had a single hive issue 6 swarms (that I could verify). Each was >progressively smaller and each had a virgin queen (except of course the >primary swarm). >-- >Geo >Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! OK, Geo, I'll bite. How'd you know they were virgins? Jack Article 12030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: packaged bees on schedule? Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998042702123500.WAA26100@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 1998 02:12:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3543C927.334BB650@bigfoot.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12030 >Why would a new hive make queen cells? The bees were not happy with the queen and chose to supercede her. This is a good reason to use a marked queen- no mark means she has been superceded or replaced by swarm cell queen. Article 12031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackmann Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free equipment Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:24:49 -0700 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3543FA81.2D3D@fidnet.com> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-205.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12031 Anybody want a huge 12 frame brood box, 6 frames, and inner cover; or one 8 frame honey super, two 8 frame telescoping covers, two 8 frame inner covers and an 8 frame queen excluder? FREE Pick up in New Haven, Missouri or I will haul to Missouri Valley Beekeepers meeting. John Brackmann Article 12032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!uwm.edu!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: circuit@bigfoot.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: packaged bees on schedule? Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:50:35 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35440E9B.7841D757@bigfoot.com> References: <3543C927.334BB650@bigfoot.com> <1998042702123500.WAA26100@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: circuit@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 893598659 EDOBMGQ.FB02BD018C e4000.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12032 she was marked, I found her last week but not this week, I will look again tomorrow, maby I didnt find her was that I was looking for the mark. Larry BeeCrofter wrote: > >Why would a new hive make queen cells? > > The bees were not happy with the queen and chose to supercede her. > This is a good reason to use a marked queen- no mark means she has been > superceded or replaced by swarm cell queen. Article 12033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.227.0.16!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: Dave Paxton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:18:45 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <354493C5.1F53@gate.net> References: <353a58c3.492646@news.pavilion.net> <8wx01.3367$Kh3.3624694@news1.atl.bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl3-101.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12033 Frank Humphrey wrote: > >Do you use Queen Excluders in top bar hives ? > > > > I keep 3 Topbar hives in my back yard for cut comb honey. They > are very easy to build and produce comb honey in virgin wax > since only a starter strip is used to get the bees started > properly. The web site for TBH beekeeping is > www.gsu.edu~biojdsx/main.htm . If you are only keeping 1 or 2 > hive in a back yard it is a good way to keep them. Still no answer about the queen excluder??? I was interested in them but have not had anyone address the queen exclusion problem. Dave Article 12034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail From: Howard Cohen Subject: bees won't behave Message-ID: <3544A0A6.D2EDAD3F@analogic.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:13:42 -0400 Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12034 I just started in beekeeping and hived my bees nine days ago. I checked them yesterday and found all was well(active queen, eggs, nice disposition, etc.), but the bees are to a large extent ignoring the foundation and doing their own architecture. They appear to have started, following the form of the foundation(standard plastic, with wax covering), but would soon curl the comb into the air and form a second layer or would join with the foundation in the adjacent frame. I have cut away the offending comb( which hurt, since I was throwing away a lot of precious wax and eggs) in order to enforce some sort of discipline in comb building. What am I doing wrong? Is this a common problem? Is there a less draconian solution? Thank you. Article 12035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Illinois - 190+ Acre Farm Date: 27 Apr 1998 12:55:47 GMT Organization: Adams NetWorks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd71db$991af860$87ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp05-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12035 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 12036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.itis.com!news.doit.wisc.edu!not-for-mail From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wicwas Press Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:08:15 -0500 Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Lines: 16 Sender: reguser@144.92.72.13 Message-ID: <3544C98F.D0C45606@facstaff.wisc.edu> References: <353DF3F2.C88300F3@mis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.92.72.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12036 Does anyone know if there is a webpage for Wicwas Press?? thanks, Keith -- Keith Benson DVM Special Species Health Service/Urgent Care University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine bensonk@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu (office) kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu (home) http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2011/ Article 12037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-tele!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:26:24 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35418de5.166710@news.pavilion.net> References: <353a58c3.492646@news.pavilion.net> <8wx01.3367$Kh3.3624694@news1.atl.bellsouth.net> <354493C5.1F53@gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2-34.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12037 On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:18:45 -0400, Dave Paxton wrote: >Still no answer about the queen excluder??? I was interested in them but >have not had anyone address the queen exclusion problem. > >Dave There seems to be something funny about the way this server deals with threads. The queen excluder question has just been addressed under another heading (at least that is what my system says). I quote the answer as below; >Queen excluders are not needed on top-bar hives. Honey is separated >naturally on the sides of the brood nest that can be harvested without >destoying brood. If you are going "primitive" regarding a hive, a >queen excluder is probably the last thing you'll want. >Each style of bee hive should be accompanied by its own appropriate >management techniques. I've read several reports of attempts to >"super" or add a queen excluder to top-bar hives, or otherwise >semi-convert a top-bar hive back to the modern hive, but this is all >unneccesary as bees will normally put honey on the sides as well as on >top of brood. A different style of hive simply requires some >different bee management techniques. >John Article 12038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: False Swarm? Date: 27 Apr 1998 21:02:34 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6i2rpa$f63@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6i0j79$vqn$2@nw003t.infi.net> <6i0kfo$gbs@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <6i0ml7$32m$1@nw001t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.100.103 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12038 I asked. But seriously, they were...well, petite. I don't know that a queen of an after-swarm will ever have been mated before leaving. Anyone else have info and insight to share? -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Jack Price wrote in article <6i0ml7$32m$1@nw001t.infi.net>... > In article <6i0kfo$gbs@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" says: > > > >I recently had a single hive issue 6 swarms (that I could verify). Each was > >progressively smaller and each had a virgin queen (except of course the > >primary swarm). > >-- > >Geo > >Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. > >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > >Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! > > OK, Geo, I'll bite. How'd you know they were virgins? > > Jack > Article 12039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Lawson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hives Wanted in UK` Date: 27 Apr 1998 22:07:09 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd7229$27513160$0532321b@fatboy> References: <3540d708.5417294@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-99-48-31.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12039 Try Fred Portch in Worton nr Devizes on 01380 725958 > Steve Newport wrote in message > <3540d708.5417294@news.pavilion.net>... > >Does anyone have any hoves for sale in the South of England ? Article 12040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.ecrc.net!195.40.0.160.MISMATCH!easynet-tele!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:26:22 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35418aa1.2027331@news.pavilion.net> References: <353a58c3.492646@news.pavilion.net> <8wx01.3367$Kh3.3624694@news1.atl.bellsouth.net> <354493C5.1F53@gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2-34.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12040 On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:18:45 -0400, Dave Paxton wrote: >Frank Humphrey wrote: >Still no answer about the queen excluder??? I was interested in them but >have not had anyone address the queen exclusion problem. >Dave I have had two direct replies concerning this question but I am a little concerned as to the replies. The answer seems to be that you do NOT use a Queen excluder. My next concern was how do you keep the 'brood' from getting processed along with the honey (not an attractive additive.) The answer makes sense. As the season gets late the brood area decreases and cells that were used to raise brood are cleaned out and re-filled with honey. Thus you take from the non-brood area. However, surely you will end up wasting several frames becuase there would always be a few brood cells in the middle frames. Or are the bees neater than that ? Also. When extracting the honey from the combs I have been told that squeezing the wax is the best method. Does this not affect the flavour of the honey by squeezing out oils from the wax into the honey ? I would be interested to hear more views ! Article 12041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!195.40.0.160.MISMATCH!easynet-tele!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan and Cancer Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:26:23 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35418bfc.2374361@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2-34.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12041 I have read a lot about Apistan on this newsgroup and attended my first bee keeping meeting (Sussex, United Kingdom,) last Sunday. When I asked about people views on the use of Apistan vs the use of mineral oil people first reaction was mineral oil ??? Once over this they had a more serious reaction to the Question of Apistan. Apparently it is illegal in the U.K ??? As it is believed to be a cancer causing drug ?? They have recommended the use of Bavyrol. As an interesting aside they also seem to be saying that there are no signs of the mite so far this spring. Anybody else have the same observation ? Article 12042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen's Wings? Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:36:24 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6i3iro$3ob$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6i0ile$vqn$1@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 28 03:36:24 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12042 In article <6i0ile$vqn$1@nw003t.infi.net>, jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) wrote: > > While looking at my Italian queen today, I noticed her wings are > actually smaller than on the workers. Do these wings become > smaller after the mating flight? The wings I saw could not support > flight. > > Jack > A good name you have there. Sometimes an OLD queen's wings will be worn down to mere nubs just from contact made inside the hive. The other possibility that comes to mind would require a problem to exist in the colony which you did not mention - that being a queen emerging with underdeveloped wings that never did even try to fly - she would eventually start laying drone eggs. Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Orgasmitic Mite Control Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:44:50 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35454df7.10162768@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.13 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.13 Lines: 14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12043 We are proud to announce a new natural, unregulated, unregistered, and orgasmitic system of Vampire Mite control guaranteed to kill not 90% but 100% depending on bee keeper effort. http://beenet.com/mites/killem.htm All are welcome to take a peek! (Nothing has been built yet that some bee keeper could not mess up.) *not approved in California, Texas, Florida, or any other area know to be infested with the new "el chubacabra" super Vampire mites (SAP). (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees won't behave Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:44:21 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6i3jal$4an$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3544A0A6.D2EDAD3F@analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 28 03:44:21 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12044 In article <3544A0A6.D2EDAD3F@analogic.com>, n1vxs@juno.com wrote: > > I just started in beekeeping and hived my bees nine days ago. > > I checked them yesterday and found all was well(active queen, eggs, nice > disposition, etc.), but the bees are to a large extent ignoring the > foundation and doing their own architecture. They appear to have > started, following the form of the foundation(standard plastic, with wax > covering), but would soon curl the comb into the air and form a second > layer or would join with the foundation in the adjacent frame. > > I have cut away the offending comb( which hurt, since I was throwing > away a lot of precious wax and eggs) in order to enforce some sort of > discipline in comb building. > > What am I doing wrong? Is this a common problem? Is there a less > draconian solution? > > Thank you. > > You may have already done this. INSURE the frames are (assuming self-spacing Hoffman style end bars) are MASHED tightly together. You give them a choice and likely they will do their own thing. The other side of this is genetic - some races and some strains within races are a LOT better at drawing comb and doing a pretty job of it - even making straight comb when they are free to do whatever they will as in a hollow cavity in a home. Others are comparitively laggards and build comb that criss crosses and connects and is in human management terms "a real problem" - though I suspect that in Nature the wavy comb works just as well. Yep ya gotta keep on telling 'em to do it right. Just be sure you eliminate their options to do it wrong. Best wishes, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!grissom.powerup.com.au!not-for-mail From: "mattk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving a hive Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:40:27 +1000 Organization: Power Up Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6i3mih$vjl$1@grissom.powerup.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts5409.powerup.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12045 I am fairly new to beekeeping and consequently new to this page. Sorry if this is a faq. Anyway, I have a single hive situated in a suburban backyard. It is very close to the lawn and I had had a few problems with mowing the lawn- the bees have become quite agitated and I don't want to mow in full beekeeping regalia. I am considering moving the hive approximately 15metres to a less trafficked area of the yard which will not be in the way. What is the best way to move the hive and should it be done in a few steps over a period of days? Thank you in advance for your help. MattK Article 12046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Stanley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:42:13 PDT Subject: My First Print Organization: Email Platinum v.3.1b NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.13.83 Message-ID: <35450991.0@news.mountain.net> Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mountain.net!198.77.13.83 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12046 I would like to invite you to view "HANGIN IT UP", a limited addition print of an original oil painting. You may visit this print at http://www.ovnet.com/~estanley/Working2.html Article 12047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gte.net!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orgasmitic Mite Control Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:54:12 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 41 Message-ID: <35459933.30C3F93C@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <35454df7.10162768@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmpiv.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12047 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > We are proud to announce a new natural, unregulated, unregistered, and > orgasmitic system of Vampire Mite control guaranteed to kill not 90% > but 100% depending on bee keeper effort. > > http://beenet.com/mites/killem.htm All are welcome to take a peek! > > (Nothing has been built yet that some bee keeper could not mess up.) > *not approved in California, Texas, Florida, or any other area know to > be infested with the new "el chubacabra" super Vampire mites (SAP). > > (c)Permission is given to copy this document > in any form, or to print for any use. > > (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Hi, Q - I guess you don't need a license for those small V-cannons and mini V-guns ? A - No no, even kids can get them anyware, but beekeepers are only allowed to use them after getting a master degree in biology so they can distinguish adult people from Vampires ;-( cheers, Hugo -- do bee do bee do ... Hugo Thone (VE144) email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (\ ALCATEL TELECOM phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 {|||8- F.Wellesplein 1 fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 (/ B-2018 Antwerp Article 12048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!gatech!131.96.1.11.MISMATCH!tattler!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: James D Satterfield To: Dave Paxton Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives In-Reply-To: <354493C5.1F53@gate.net> Message-ID: References: <353a58c3.492646@news.pavilion.net> <8wx01.3367$Kh3.3624694@news1.atl.bellsouth.net> <354493C5.1F53@gate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 28 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:44:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:44:55 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12048 On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Dave Paxton wrote: > > Still no answer about the queen excluder??? I was interested in them but > have not had anyone address the queen exclusion problem. > Dave, the honey surplus at the back of the tbh makes a nice honey barrier that helps keep the queen up front or in the center if you use entrances at the sides of the hive rather than at one end. Peter Gibb in South Africa has used excluders in his KTBH, and I have some text and photos that I hope to get on the TBH website soon. You'll find a good bit of information and suggestions at http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Best wishes in your endeavors. Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.24N, 084.47W (770) 479-4784 TBH Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm Article 12049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving a hive Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:47:30 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3545CFE2.6DA9@nt.com> References: <6i3mih$vjl$1@grissom.powerup.com.au> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12049 mattk wrote: snip > regalia. I am considering moving the hive approximately 15metres to a less > trafficked area of the yard which will not be in the way. What is the best > way to move the hive and should it be done in a few steps over a period of > days? When I have to move a hive over the distance you mention I set up 2 rails just wide enough to support the hive and next to it. In the evening of day 1 move the hive onto the rails then in the evening at 1 day intervals move the hive along the rails about 3 feet at a time. When you get to the end of the rails set the hive down on the ground and move the rails to the other side and start again. Repeat this until the hive has got to its new position. The rails make it easier to move the hive a short distance and if done gently doesn't disturb the bees at all. The rails can be anything that is strong enough to support the hive. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1421.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:28:24 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 42 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <353a58c3.492646@news.pavilion.net> <8wx01.3367$Kh3.3624694@news1.atl.bellsouth.net> <354493C5.1F53@gate.net> <35418aa1.2027331@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1421.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12050 If you maintain one entrance, at one "end" of the top-bar hive (i.e., one of the walls parallel to the combs), the bees will naturally tend to store the honey at the other end. So you harvest starting at the end away from the entrance, until you hit the beginning of the brood-nest. Some of the combs might have had brood in them at some point, but at the end of the season this will have been replaced by honey. Not all colonies behave the same, however, and it might be worth having a vertically oriented q excluder to put in there, if needed. In article <35418aa1.2027331@news.pavilion.net>, snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) wrote: > On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:18:45 -0400, Dave Paxton > wrote: > >Frank Humphrey wrote: > >Still no answer about the queen excluder??? I was interested in them but > >have not had anyone address the queen exclusion problem. > >Dave > > I have had two direct replies concerning this question but I am a > little concerned as to the replies. The answer seems to be that you > do NOT use a Queen excluder. > > My next concern was how do you keep the 'brood' from getting processed > along with the honey (not an attractive additive.) > > The answer makes sense. As the season gets late the brood area > decreases and cells that were used to raise brood are cleaned out and > re-filled with honey. Thus you take from the non-brood area. > > However, surely you will end up wasting several frames becuase there > would always be a few brood cells in the middle frames. Or are the > bees neater than that ? > > Also. When extracting the honey from the combs I have been told that > squeezing the wax is the best method. Does this not affect the flavour > of the honey by squeezing out oils from the wax into the honey ? > > I would be interested to hear more views ! Article 12051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <353a58c3.492646@news.pavilion.net> <8wx01.3367$Kh3.3624694@news1.atl.bellsouth.net> <354493C5.1F53@gate.net> Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:39:57 +0100 Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-241.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3545ce46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-241.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12051 James D Satterfield wrote in message ... > > >On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Dave Paxton wrote: > >> >> Still no answer about the queen excluder??? I was interested in them but >> have not had anyone address the queen exclusion problem. >> I have found Long Hives, which are based on 'normal' hives brood bodies, such as the Commercial, National, Dadant types, but contain up to 45 deep frames. In this type a separator can be made and an excluder can be used, in the vertical postition. In order to prevent chilling in winter, the separator can be used as a temporary end wall, and unused frames can be stored in the rest of the hive. I think this may be the way I go, with a long hive, based on the national, but with say space for 30 frames, but only using 20-25, as required, which will give internal space for dummy end wall, excluder, and some kind of feeder. Top bars only could be used in the brood section, keeping the natural comb, and so on, but this can make queen marking/finding, etc., difficult. I could end up using National bodies, for brood and super, then everything is standard.... (See New Beekeeping in a Long deep hive, by Robin Dartington, 1985, ISBN 0 905 652 11 8) '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John jaf@gemini.NOSPAMnildram.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Apian Correspondence to bees@as.above Article 12052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35460918.828CC6AC@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:51:36 +0300 From: grmps048 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inexpensive Equipment References: <353ECB41.4ED6@lex.infi.net> <353fae85.0@news3.paonline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.18 X-Trace: 28 Apr 1998 17:52:42 GMT, 139.92.84.18 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 41 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!139.92.84.18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12052 Hallo ! You can take a look for cheap beekeeper`s equipment on our small web-site but untill we find someone to cooperate in US you can only looking at them . ANEL-STANDARD is a company that has been two times awarded from APIMONDIA comferance . In Greece we do manufacturing very good and very cheap beekeeper`s equipment . It would be our pleasure if you visit our web site . http://www.domi.gr/business/meli/anel/startup.htm Mushroom wrote: > In article <353ECB41.4ED6@lex.infi.net>, elliegrl@lex.infi.net wrote: > >Greetings! > > Just starting up this year with high hopes and a hive! > >I'm interested in finding gently used extracting equipment in the > >central Kentucky area (or close thereto...). Please respond by e-mail > >with pertinent info and pricing. Thank you for your response! > >Regards, > >FMCraig > > It's not used, but you are very close to some of the most reasonable bee > equipment in the US., The Walter Kelley Co. in Clarkson, KY. > > Thier low end extractor is $245, a three frame extractor. I ended up with a > 12 frame currently at $845. You may wish to do this first year as comb honey > with some liquidfiltered by hand. If I may put my $.02 in, hold out and buy > what you want the first time. > > As long as I am here, of the 16 packages I installed this year one has > absconded. My tithe to nature.:) > > Little monsters are doing fine drawing comb on plastic foundation ( > perma-comb) . I accelerated a couple of queen releases today...hope I didn't > lose anything. Article 12053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Plans (UK) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:47:24 +0100 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35460ccd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12053 NE1 got hive plans for BS hives, please? Particularly, but not exclusively, the National Hive. I do have the dimensions, but not diagrams, and I can't do that Tech. Drawing stuff. When I get round to building my Website, I'll put them on there, with a credit, so they are available. I've done web searches but with little luck...Any kind of hive would be interesting, if not of practical use, then of historical value. '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John jaf@gemini.NOSPAMnildram.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Apian Correspondence to bees@as.above Article 12054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orgasmitic Mite Control Date: 28 Apr 1998 18:35:46 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6i57i2$ndt$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <35454df7.10162768@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12054 Thanks Andy, this is hilarious - Especially since my speakers were set at a moderately high volume and I had no idea what would happen when I clicked "gun...." DT Article 12055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.bbs.beeline References: <353a58c3.492646@news.pavilion.net> <8wx01.3367$Kh3.3624694@news1.atl.bellsouth.net> <354493C5.1F53@gate.net> <3545ce46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:51:41 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35460cce.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-220.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12055 alt.bbs.beeline:250 Kidney John wrote in message <3545ce46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... (replying to my own posts!) I've had a wonderful idea! But I'm not telling! If it works, I will publish the outcome. Perfect for hobby/scientist/experimental beekeeper. I'm really quite excited about it, but daren't say, as I'll look a pratt if it doesn't work....... '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John jaf@gemini.NOSPAMnildram.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Apian Correspondence to bees@as.above Article 12056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998042823145200.TAA05397@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 1998 23:14:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35460cce.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12056 Your honey will "ALWAYS" taste of wax if you fall for these TBH using, comb crushing, wax press using ideas. Not that they are wrong for keeping bees this way. Their just not right is all. To my way of thinking - it's the lazy mans way of keeping bees and I say to thee that you are not a beekeeper. But a carpet bagging home crusher that makes a bee work harder than it needs. And as far as making claims to people that a TBH is better for mite control - back up the fact truck and show me some proof. Well I suppose this will stir up a swarm or two. However, this was not my intention. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something Article 12057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.gte.net!nntp.giganews.com!newshost.cyberramp.net!rexsmith From: purple-dragon@usa.net (Purple Dragon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orgasmitic Mite Control Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:19:58 GMT Organization: Purple Dragon's House of Magickal Wines Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6i5nr7$pdi$1@newshost.cyberramp.net> References: <35454df7.10162768@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal-tsa25-56.cyberramp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12057 Hmmm... nice applet! I was just afraid they were going to die by "orgasm", since you mentioned.... that it was an ">orgasmitic system of Vampire Mite control" Cheers! In article <35454df7.10162768@news.jps.net>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net wrote: >We are proud to announce a new natural, unregulated, unregistered, and >orgasmitic system of Vampire Mite control guaranteed to kill not 90% >but 100% depending on bee keeper effort. > >http://beenet.com/mites/killem.htm All are welcome to take a peek! Article 12058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orgasmitic Mite Control Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998042823320200.TAA07383@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 1998 23:32:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35454df7.10162768@news.jps.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12058 Well Andy makes me feel almost as good as dropping the days load of ticks down the smoker spout. Article 12059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: alt.bbs.beeline,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.walter-kronkite.beekeeping Subject: Pictures wanted. Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:57:42 +0100 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-232.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35466347.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-232.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.bbs.beeline:251 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12059 Is there a particular place, or places, where I can download pictures, and plans, (any graphics, in fact), to do with apiary, in order to build my web site? And I would be very grateful if anyone would send any articles, ideas, etc., concentrating on UK (but only for climatic reasons!) but also global, because it's interesting to see how things are done. Full credit to author/artist '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John jaf@gemini.NOSPAMnildram.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Apian Correspondence to bees@as.above. Article 12060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35460cce.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998042823145200.TAA05397@ladder01.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:05:31 +0100 Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-232.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35466348.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-232.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12060 HDsearcher wrote in message <1998042823145200.TAA05397@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >Your honey will "ALWAYS" taste of wax if you fall for these TBH using, comb >crushing, wax press using ideas. Not that they are wrong for keeping bees this >way. Their just not right is all. To my way of thinking - it's the lazy mans >way of keeping bees and I say to thee that you are not a beekeeper. But a >carpet bagging home crusher that makes a bee work harder than it needs. And as >far as making claims to people that a TBH is better for mite control - back up >the fact truck and show me some proof. > >Well I suppose this will stir up a swarm or two. However, this was not my >intention. > >A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something Your message is clear! I can't speak for anyone else, but I want to keep the bees as natural, and undisturbed as possible (on 'real' comb), but with some swarm control, obviously (it's a garden hive, with neighbours!), but have the honey seperate and 'brood free', probably on Brit. Standard frames.... Why is there anything wrong with a bit of wax in your honey? That's how most of it was, and possibly still is eaten around the world... '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John jaf@gemini.NOSPAMnildram.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Apian Correspondence to bees@as.above Article 12061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:20:39 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6i5rl2$mqd$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <353a58c3.492646@news.pavilion.net> <8wx01.3367$Kh3.3624694@news1.atl.bellsouth.net> <354493C5.1F53@gate.net> <35418aa1.2027331@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp12.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12061 In article < >I have had two direct replies concerning this question but I am a >little concerned as to the replies. The answer seems to be that you >do NOT use a Queen excluder. > >My next concern was how do you keep the 'brood' from getting processed >along with the honey (not an attractive additive.) I have just finished my first year with a top bar hive. I have about 22 top bars on the hive. I find that the queen sticks to the middle top bars in laying her brood, and that the honey gets stored in the top bars towards the sides of the hive. I would say about 1/3 or so of the middle top bar combs get to be the ones for the brood. It doesn't seem to matter where the bees enter the hive. In this hive, the bees get in and out through a space between the top bars and the side of the hive, and through notches I cut in the top bars and also through 1 inch holes I drilled for them along the bottom. Notches don't appear to be necessary. I find that the bees will set up honey in some of the brood comb. The best comb is the comb that has not had any brood in it because the brood comb gets dark. I cut about a 4 inch piece of honey comb from some of the virgin comb from the sides of the hive and put it in a sandwich bag and gave it as a gift and last week I got rave reviews on the quality of the product. As to squeezing the honey out, I have read that a person can rake open the capped honey and let it drip out by gravity and that this is the best honey money can buy. I suppose that the beekeeper could cut a square of capped honeycomb out of the brood comb area and then gravity the honey out of that. As for me, I prefer bees to honey, and I don't make my living with it at this time so I am happy getting my 4 inch squares of top quality honey comb. Article 12062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:22:10 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6i5v89$n3k$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <35460cce.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998042823145200.TAA05397@ladder01.news.aol.com> <35466348.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp27.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12062 In article >HDsearcher wrote in message >And as far as making claims to people that a TBH is better for mite control - >back up the fact truck and show me some proof. >> In the latest American Beekeeper's Journal there is reference to a sort of a shocking test. The scientist actually cut off the front legs of their bees to see if the bees would become more mite infested on the theory that if they had no front legs they could not engage in their grooming behavior. In fact, after the test were over, the bees without the front legs who could no longer groom themselves and their fellows had as many as three times the numbers of mites as the bees that were able to groom themselves. From this proof that bee grooming behavior is of critical importance in mite control, we postulate that the nazi Langstroth frames (I learned that Langstroth was a German-American like I am) also prevent the bees from engaging in effective grooming behavior because the Langstroth frames have terribly cramped bee spaces designed by Langstroth for fast honey build up and ease of extraction. Bee spaces are so cramped in these Langstroth hives that not only are the bees unable to fly inside the hive so that they cannot swoop down on these mites but the bees cannot even crawl over one another to check one another for mites. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :0) Article 12063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers Get Rich! Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:16:55 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35477e55.1091926@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.102 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.102 Lines: 50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.61.102 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12063 ZOECON Bail's Out Beekeepers All this bad press and talk about Apistan and how it is failing to control V. mites has prompted Zoecon the infamous to offer a new program for beekeepers announced to a selected few with a slick post card from their advertising agency. (GOD protect us all from those with such talents wasted on projects like this when they could be out doing good works like promoting HONEY instead of feeding off its good will and that of people who keep bees.) Following in the shadow of General Mills "Save the Bees" rip off box top offer comes the Apistan "Hive To Honey with Apistan" and ZOECON's big, big, bigger cash rebate program of $ 00.05 cash.Yep the big five, five cents a strip but only to those who buy a minimum 600 strips or more, limited to one person, who buys the 600 or more strips on the same day. WOW a big $30.00 discount paid for by all those who don't buy 600 or more strips at one time every day. Here's your friendly dusty company who's selling you all a product that may not work but costing you $5.00 or more per hive per year and they are going to give a big nickle of that to some big bad commercial beekeeper who more then likely is the reason you have varroa mites in the first place and you should bee happy in your work. What a deal, we all should feel a lot better now that our bees are living better through chemistry and reserve a special place for ZOECON and all dusty chemical sales man or woman in the next life. At the same time we should be trying alternatives as if nothing else by their use we are monitoring our hives better to see if they work and sending a message to those who would regulate us and their chemical company partners. Give us a break ZOECON, WELMARK International or what ever you call yourselves today. Some of us know a little about the cost of things and you have lived up to your name, WELLMARK and we bee keepers have been the "mark". Maybe a 20% or 30% reduction in price across the board would better match the reduction in efficacy of your product. ttul, the OLd Drone Final Solution to V. mites @ http://beenet.com/mites/killem.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Cossack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Bee hives, Sydney. Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:33:41 -0700 Organization: Vlast Industries Lines: 20 Message-ID: <35476475.36F1@tig.com.au> Reply-To: samovar_spamless@tig.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: p38-max9.syd.tig.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12064 I have three hives, brimming with bees and honey that sadly must go. The little guys make great honey. They are lovely creatures and I have promised to find a good home for them, coupled with a dirt cheap price (so as not to put their new owner in a bad mood). How much? AUD$100 each hive. How can you refuse? Please call Walter on 02 9649 6338 or respond by email. -- ___________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Victor Kay - Scrivener Extraordinaire Email: samovar@tig.com.au (remove "_spamless" to reply") Article 12065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: arkcrew@aol.com (Ark Crew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: False Swarm? Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998042919315100.PAA02305@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1998 19:31:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6i2rpa$f63@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12065 During swarm preperation the colony will start a number of queen cells at differant time intervals. There can be as many as 10 of these. This means queens are hatching at diferant times if the primary queen did not go around and kill any possible future ones hope this helps Article 12066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: alt.bbs.beeline,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.walter-cromkite.beekeeping Subject: pics, articles. Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:20:56 +0100 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-242.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3546e38e.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-242.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.bbs.beeline:252 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12066 Pics, and how-to articles wanted for new apiary web site. Full credit given to author/artist. also hive plans, etc., Many thanks '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John jaf@gemini.NOSPAMnildram.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Apian Correspondence to bees@as.above Article 12067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1998042920064300.QAA04381@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1998 20:06:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6i5v89$n3k$1@arlington.pe.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12067 To your own account, I believe you listed yourself as a one hive first year veteran. Yes? I would also encourage you to add "single brain cell" to that long and distinguished list. Your words of wisdom are broadcast on a very large knowledge seeking audience, and your cure all TBH attitude (without a factual basis) can be down right dangerous. And as far as your "Nazi" remark - save it moron. It's not needed nor appreciated here. I am an "American". Plain, pure, and simple. But, if you need know my last name is Bettger. Go figure huh? My advise is learn, seek, and share. Proper guidance of others comes with many years knowledge, hardwork, and gained respect of your peers. Well, thats enough on this and its time for me to climb down now off my soap box. As i stated before, but perhaps not clearly enough. If you have something to teach me. Please!!!! I am listening. Thank you. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 12068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: martindon@juno.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: KILLER BEES Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:00:30 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6i87tt$9nc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.213.212.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 29 22:00:30 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: abraham (MSProxy/1.0) for 208.213.212.84 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12068 KILLER BEES HAVE BEEN SPOTTED IN THE ATLANTA GA AREA SEE THE METRO ATLANTA BEEKEEPERS HOME PAGE FOR A PICTURE http//www.geocities.com/HeartlandValley/8005/ (not really but check out our page for a laugh) -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers Get Rich! Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1998042922252400.SAA19655@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1998 22:25:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35477e55.1091926@news.jps.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12069 Guess what! Not only are they offering the wonderful "rebate" of 5 cents a strip, I'm still waiting (72 days now) for my refund check in the mail. The main reason these strips are so high priced is that Zoecon/Wellmark have created a mini cartel in the distribution of the strips. They sell ONLY to Mann Lake, W.T. Kelley, Dadant and Mid-Con. They will NOT sell to any other bee supply dealer, and all other dealers must two-step this product before it gets to the end user. With no price competition between these four "master dealers" all of you are paying a full markup to these four distributors as well as insuring that Zoecon/Wellmark has no motovation to price the product competatively. If they open up the distribution of the product, I assure all of you that the price of Apistan would be significantly reduced. According to the USDA, there are just over 3 million hives in this country kept by 211,000+ beekeepers. Assuming 60% market penatration (1.8 million hives - each hive treated twice a year - 4 strips per hive) at a low "master distributor" price of $151/100 strips, Wellmark is grossing over $10.8 million. Considering their marketing costs consist of ads in three bee books, a few trade show a year, and two sales-types and a secretary, their marketing costs are less than $300,000. I know more than a little bit about manufacturing, but I won't hazzard a guess at their manufacturing costs other than to say I belive that the most expensive items in this products manufacturing is the boxes it ships in. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 12070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:20:01 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6i8fvn$r07$1@magnolia.pe.net> References: <6i5v89$n3k$1@arlington.pe.net> <1998042920064300.QAA04381@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp32.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12070 In article <1998042920064300.QAA04381@ladder03.news.aol.com>, hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) wrote: >To your own account, I believe you listed yourself as a one hive first year >veteran. Yes? I started off with Langstroths as a hobby about 5 years ago and I had to hustle to keep up with the way the bees would fill up the tiny bee spaces so fast. I had to extract dozens of pounds of honey whether I liked it or not to keep them from swarming. When I tried the top bar hive last year the first thing I noticed when I peeked in the hive was how the package bees all hung in a cone shaped mass from the center of the top bars and I thought to myself "They would never have the liebensraum to do that in Langstroth hives." I fought for America in Vietnam in 1968 as a draftee, so you can take your patriotism elsewhere. I am proud to be a German American, Mr. Bettger, and I don't care if you don't like it. One more thing - any person in a debate who resorts to getting personal, like referring to the other as a "moron" for example, has automatically lost the argument. Auf Wiedersehen Article 12071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weak hive? Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:27:20 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3547C568.3D3D@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d29.dial-5.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 30 Apr 1998 00:29:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12071 Spring has finally come behind federal lines here in Massachusetts. I opened up the top of my hive, and my bees are only occupying two and one half frames. Is this imminent doom? They had varroa which I treated last august, and went into the winter very strong. I did not notice many dead bees, so cannot figure what happened to them. Should I treat for varroa again now, add some package bees, or start over? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 12072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!srv1.drenet.dnd.ca!news.crc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Plans (UK) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:55:39 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3547153B.73F9@nt.com> References: <35460ccd.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12072 Kidney John wrote: > > NE1 got hive plans for BS hives, please? Particularly, but not > exclusively, the National Hive. I do have the dimensions, but not > diagrams, Thee BBKA publish hive plans for 'Modified National' hive @ 75 UK pence and maybe postage is extra their website is http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/index.htm. > and I can't do that Tech. Drawing stuff. When I get round to > building my Website, I'll put them on there, with a credit, so they are > available. I think that maybe the BBKA would be p*ssed off if you breach their copyright by putting the plans on the net. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen Data software Updated! Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:21:53 +0200 Organization: Apimo Biavl Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6i95ht$6842$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp23.rd.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12073 Hello all! I have just now uploaded the pollensoftware updated to work on fat32. Some minor bugs is fixed so as not able to find the helpfile! It was installed in a wrong directory. Why not when you are at it take a look on the whats new page :-) I am now working on getting the win3.1 edition of bidata up to date and will anounce it when this has finished. I think it will be the last win3.1? I will release. regards Jorn Johanesson Beekeeper since 1970 EDBi = Beekeeping software since 1986 homepages http://wn.com.au/apimo http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk Article 12074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: alt.bbs.beeline,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smith Hive - help. Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:15:33 +0100 Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-198.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35485d8a.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!darla.visi.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-198.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.bbs.beeline:253 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12074 I would appreciate it very much if someone would post the internal dimensions of the Smith hive (short lugs)(or e-mail.). thanks '#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#'#' John jaf@gemini.NOSPAMnildram.co.uk Sign Charter88. See http://www.charter88.org Apian Correspondence to bees@as.above Article 12075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xa ra.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!new s.gsl.net!gip.net!i2unix!newsfeed.iol.it!not-for-mail From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Italian Beekeeping Date: 28 Apr 1998 18:33:11 GMT Organization: Italia Online Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd72a5$c153b220$0100007f@luca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-napoli69-138.iol.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12075 Contact me too to speak of Italian beekeping and photo. These are my preferred passions. http://users.iol.it/plipo/Plipo Article 12076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbn planet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bb nplanet.com!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co .uk!demon!vastrim.demon.co.uk!vastrim.co.uk!RFOX From: "Richard A. Fox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan and Cancer Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:55:22 +0100 Organization: Vastrim Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <35418bfc.2374361@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vastrim.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vastrim.demon.co.uk:194.222.88.235 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 893955820 nnrp-01:18459 NO-IDENT vastrim.demon.c o.uk:194.222.88.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12076 >I have read a lot about Apistan on this newsgroup and attended my >first bee keeping meeting (Sussex, United Kingdom,) last Sunday. > >When I asked about people views on the use of Apistan vs the use of >mineral oil people first reaction was mineral oil ??? > Not uncommon reaction, I think mineral oil is more widely known on the net, than in the more traditional beekeeping circles in the UK >Once over this they had a more serious reaction to the Question of >Apistan. Apparently it is illegal in the U.K ??? As it is believed to >be a cancer causing drug ?? > Bayvarol and Apistan are fairly similar chemically and almosy identical in use. Only Bayvarol has official sanction in the UK by Ministry of Agriculture, it is thouhgt that Apistan will only be sanctioned once mites become used to Bayvarol. The cancer rumour is a red herring. >They have recommended the use of Bavyrol. > It works just fine, like apistan. >As an interesting aside they also seem to be saying that there are no >signs of the mite so far this spring. Anybody else have the same >observation ? I have no sign of them yet, I had the same last spring. However when treated in autumn there was a large varroa drop. The reproduction of varroa is dependant on the the prescence of brood, if you treat with Bayvarol in autumn then the varroa population will crash and will lag behind the increase in bee population in the spring. I expect the little buggers will be back with a vengance by August. Personally I will be trying the Frankno thymol frames this year, they are less disruptive than the mineral oil and the figures I've seen seem good. Whetther it works out in practice is another matter. -- Richard A. Fox Article 12077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!n ntprelay.mathworks.com!oleane!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "franois et batrice servel-merle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much sugar and Crisco should I use for patties Date: 30 Apr 1998 21:51:18 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bd7482$7361c640$LocalHost@servel> References: <353FF9C5.1F76@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: avi1-24.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12077 To make patties we use 50 g of vegetable oil, 150 g of powdered sugar, and 1.2 g of oxytetracycline, You first mix the oil and the the sugar at abou t 60C and the the mixure has become cold (30C ) you add the oxytetra cy, You mix to obtain something very homogen. Bye -- Franois Servel francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle@wanadoo.fr -- Franois Servel francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle@wanadoo.fr Ed a crit dans l'article <353FF9C5.1F76@sprintmail.com>... > Ed Wrote: > > I am new at beekeeping, and would like to know how much sugar and > crisco should I use to make patties with a package of tetramycin, to > treat for trachea mites. One person told me to use granulated sugar > another told me to use powdered sugar? either one knew the exact ratio > of all the ingredients. > > Thanks, I appreciate the help. > > Ed > Article 12078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news .uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.intern etmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediao ne.net!NewsWatcher!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Big Hive Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:14:02 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 70 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.29.92 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12078 Hi all.. and happy Bee season . Due to several swarms last season , in the fall I decided to combine two hives into one strong hive. In doing so, in order to assure good food stores, I wound up with a three hive body configuration going into Winter.One was almost all honey. With good early spring management, ( feeding, medication, hive body rotation with the top body going to the bottom, and the second ond hive body about to be rotated and switched with the top) I have an incredibly strong colony, lots of brood from a fall queen, good pollen coming in, and happy bees. I have been advised by my bee teacher ( and Guru) to wean out one of the hive bodies, and get it down to a 2 hive body colony before Winter. Is this necessary? It wintered incredibly well ( its a hobby hive, -had a plywood "house" over it ( one foot larger all around with provsions for removing moisture) sheltering it from the wind and elements. Why cant it stay as a three body "superhive" ? I expect to be supering in two weeks, and dont mind the height , or the weight problems. All points of view appreciated.. I just hate to break up a really strong hive, already have a new startup colony this Spring, and dont have room for a third ( very urban beekeeping here.. and wife would get real mad since I promised that the second hive was the last).. Related Question. I have three frames from last season in that hive still full of honey. Do I leave them, or remove them and let them eat it outside saving the comb? Thanks. -I- -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- April 1993- November 15, 1997 Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments "Live Free or Die" Article 12079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprela y.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet .com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Hive Date: 30 Apr 1998 23:36:37 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 91 Message-ID: <6ib1u5$26c@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.170 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12079 Why not give your starter hive the 3rd body as a 2nd brood chamber if it does not already have one? Another possibility is to cull out the bad comb s and keep only the best 18 or 20 to use in 2 bodies. You can keep stacking hive bodies but that does not mean a larger colony size. The number of bees is dependent on longevity and how well a queen is laying. Unless you go to a 2 queen system you are not going to see an increase in numbers just by having more hive bodies (providing there are enough empty cells available for the queen) -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Ira Seskin wrote in article ... > Hi all.. and happy Bee season . Due to several swarms last season , in the > fall I decided to combine two hives into one strong hive. In doing so, i n > order to assure good food stores, I wound up with a three hive body > configuration going into Winter.One was almost all honey. With good earl y > spring management, ( feeding, medication, hive body rotation with the to p > body going to the bottom, and the second ond hive body about to be rotated > and switched with the top) I have an incredibly strong colony, lots of > brood from a fall queen, good pollen coming in, and happy bees. > > I have been advised by my bee teacher ( and Guru) to wean out one of the > hive bodies, and get it down to a 2 hive body colony before Winter. Is > this necessary? It wintered incredibly well ( its a hobby hive, -had a > plywood "house" over it ( one foot larger all around with provsions for > removing moisture) sheltering it from the wind and elements. Why cant it > stay as a three body "superhive" ? I expect to be supering in two weeks, > and dont mind the height , or the weight problems. > > All points of view appreciated.. I just hate to break up a really stron g > hive, already have a new startup colony this Spring, and dont have room > for a third ( very urban beekeeping here.. and wife would get real mad > since I promised that the second hive was the last).. > > Related Question. I have three frames from last season in that hive stil l > full of honey. Do I leave them, or remove them and let them eat it outside > saving the comb? > > > Thanks. > > > -I- > > -- > _ > /_/_ .'''. > =O(_)))) ...' `. > \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz > `..' > > /| __ > / | ,-~ / > Y :| // / > | jj /( .^ > >-"~"-v" > / Y > jo o | > ( ~T~ j > >._-' _./ > / "~" | I AM HAVING A > Y _, | BAD > /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY > / l/ ,-"~ \ > \//\/ .- \ > Y / Y* > l I ! > ]\ _\ /"\ > (" ~----( ~ Y. ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- > April 1993- November 15, 1997 > > Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments > iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments > > > "Live Free or Die" > > > > > Article 12080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net !nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-fo r-mail From: niknakmike@aol.com (NikNakMike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter Bees Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998043023541100.TAA24739@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1998 23:54:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12080 I was wondering. Do Carpenter Bees have stingers? I have some around the h ouse here. One landed on me the other day. They have a real intimidating look t o them. I know the damage they can do. What is used to control them? Article 12081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprela y.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplan et.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-ma il From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen cells? Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:23:19 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35494027.4351@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 133-g2.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12081 Hi everybody, I opened my hives today and I saw what appears to be queen cells in one hive, the hive is very strong, with bees and brood in both chambers. They were somewhat smaller than I expected. Since I have been lucky an haven't encountered them before I'm not sure. These were approx. 3/4" in lenght and were located along the very top of the frame. I have read that swarm cells are found along the bottom of the frames and supercedure cells are found in the center. Since there are drone cells along the top and bottom of the frames. Could these just be distorted drone cells? Thanks Kent Stienburg Article 12082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntpr elay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!n ot-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Hive Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:26:54 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <354916CE.384B5ED9@valley.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-128.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12082 Ira Seskin wrote: > Hi all.. and happy Bee season . > > I have been advised by my bee teacher ( and Guru) to wean out one of the > hive bodies, and get it down to a 2 hive body colony before Winter. Is > this necessary? It wintered incredibly well ( its a hobby hive, -had a > plywood "house" over it ( one foot larger all around with provsions for > removing moisture) sheltering it from the wind and elements. Why cant it > stay as a three body "superhive" ? I expect to be supering in two weeks, > and dont mind the height , or the weight problems. > > All points of view appreciated.. I just hate to break up a really stron g > hive, already have a new startup colony this Spring, and dont have room > for a third ( very urban beekeeping here.. and wife would get real mad > since I promised that the second hive was the last).. > > > greetings, well, for what it's worth, i'm planning to make my 2 deep brood box hobby hive [say that 5 times fast] a 3 deep brood box hobby hive this year. i've ema iled with several people over the winter, who said that their 3 box hives were a lot stronger than 2 box hives. so, figured i'd give it a shot. from what i've read and been told a good queen should lay in all 3 boxes during the season, and by winter the top box should be full of honey. maybe it's overkill for them as far as winter stores are concerned, but as a hobbyist i'd rather be safe than sorry. besides, the colony will probably be a lot lar ger going into the winter and might need those extra stores, getting off to a faster start in the spring. i'll probably post my results here, for those who are interested. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 12083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnpl anet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1. dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive? Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:43:13 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 81 Message-ID: <6ibcs1$kku$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3547C568.3D3D@ultranet.com>#1/1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 01 02:43:13 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12083 In article <3547C568.3D3D@ultranet.com>#1/1, Marc Andelman wrote: > > Spring has finally come behind federal lines here in Massachusetts. > I opened up the top of my hive, and my bees are only occupying > two and one half frames. Is this imminent doom? They had > varroa which I treated last august, and went into the winter > very strong. I did not notice many dead bees, so cannot figure > what happened to them. Should I treat for varroa again now, add > some package bees, or start over? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman > Howdy Marc, I take it this is your one and only hive so the answer for you would be slightly different than what I in real practice do. See with a weak one l ike that at this point (when the bulk are boiling over and the first eggs in swarm cups are being found - first graft of queen cells was done Wednesday so we can make some splits and then plant cells on Friday/Saturday 8/9 May) - well here it would be kill the queen and if they ain't diseased give the b ees to a more worthy unit. But advice tailored to your reality would go more along these lines. Firs t determine the cause. Did they have adequate and well arranged stores? Do you see any signs of disease? (AFB scale for instance is one thing to not e - loads of Chalkbrood mummies is another, etc., etc.) How about the bees th at remain themselves - are their wings normal - as per the wing hooks are keeping the paired wings hooked together as per normal? How about the abdomen size/length - are they shorter abdomen than normal - do you see sh ort abdomen bees mixed in the bunch? How about in front of the hive on the ground - is there a pile (perhaps spread out a few feet not just a heap) o f dead and/or dying bees there - if dying bees are there in some semblance o f abundance are they acting a bit jerky and erratic or twitchy? Okay so let's suppose you find no disease problem you can notice or identify. Is the queen laying well considering the limitations of thecluster? Is she trying to expand the broodnest? Are you seeing drone cappings in the worker brood area - and midget drones along with normal si zed ones (of course perhaps at their strength they ain't raising normal drones yet). If you see they midget drones and worker cells flared and capped wi th drone cappings you got a drone laying queen OR a laying worker problem (IF laying worker you don't have any worker brood). Okay so let's suppose you find no disease and the current queen (possibly a supersedure) seems to be doing her best with the few workers she has. In that case a booster package of queenless bees will get them rolling. BUT I would requeen them anyway myself - any honeybee queen that given adequate time can't supply the genetics to get the colony ready for winter adequate ly and then can't get them rolling in proper time with Nature in the Spring g ets the royal corner of the hive tool execution here. Now if you are yet inclined to give the existing queen a chance and boost her worker population do at least keep a close eye on things - and be prepared to replace her with a good queen if/when she don't perform up to snuff - ya gotta do it early enough (as per late June to early July at the latest) to give the new queen enough time to turn the show around and get things read y for winter (assuming a late flow or adequate feeding) - and even then ya can't let her start so far behind the eight ball that she don't stand a gh ost of a chance. I would normally tell someone in your region of the country to get a queen from Kirk Webster in that June-July time frame except as I understand thin gs he is already sold out for the season (but it would be worth checking on and seeing if he would put you on standby - e-mail me for his phone number if you want it and don't have it). To the best of my knowledge Kirk is the only HIP Cooperator (out of 9 - he being the newest) that is selling mated queens t his year (some of the rest of us, myself included, do at times sell mated quee ns - but for the past several years we have basically stuck to selling only H IP queen cells and using all our mated queens ourselves OR using our nucs for starting out AI queens before transferring them to full-size production un its for further testing). Best wishes, Jack Griffes, Coordinator Honeybee Improvement Program (HIP) -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35493C0D.8711C8BF@access.mountain.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:05:49 -0400 From: Herschel Shamblin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help- Dead Queen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.20.109 Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.co m!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mountain.net!198.77.20.109 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12084 I recently split a colony because it was preparing to swarm-[several queen cells found] when I did this I ended up with two quenelles colonies. I believe I put the old queen with the new queen in one hive and they killed each other ordered two more queens one colony has accepted her but the other did not. I looked all through the colony today and could not find the marked queen, so I looked on the ground in front of hive entrance and there she laid DEAD.The bees are very aggressive also, normally they are gentle.Any advice is appreciated. Article 12085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub 1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com !nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:38:27 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 104 Message-ID: <6ibg3j$p8m$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35460cce.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998042823145200.TAA05397@ ladder01.news.aol.com> <35466348.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <6i5v89$n3k$1@ar lington.pe.net>#1/1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.29 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 01 03:38:27 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12085 In article <6i5v89$n3k$1@arlington.pe.net>#1/1, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: > > In article > >HDsearcher wrote in message > > >And as far as making claims to people that a TBH is better for mite control - > >back up the fact truck and show me some proof. > >> > > In the latest American Beekeeper's Journal there is reference to a sort of a > shocking test. The scientist actually cut off the front legs of their be es to > see if the bees would become more mite infested on the theory that if th ey had > no front legs they could not engage in their grooming behavior. In fact, after > the test were over, the bees without the front legs who could no longer groom > themselves and their fellows had as many as three times the numbers of mites > as the bees that were able to groom themselves. > From this proof that bee grooming behavior is of critical importance in mite > control, we postulate that the nazi Langstroth frames (I learned that > Langstroth was a German-American like I am) also prevent the bees from > engaging in effective grooming behavior because the Langstroth frames ha ve > terribly cramped bee spaces designed by Langstroth for fast honey build up > and ease of extraction. Bee spaces are so cramped in these Langstroth hives > that not only are the bees unable to fly inside the hive so that they > cannot swoop down on these mites but the bees cannot even crawl over one > another to check one another for mites. > Put that in your pipe and smoke it. > :0) > Peter, Please make note that the research you indicate does NOT validate the clai m you have made in any way, shape, nor form. First of all the bee space wit hin any living colony ends up pretty much being the same given time - irregardless of frames type, top bars only, or a truly natural colony in a cavity of their choosing. Sometimes in Langstoth units wherein many beekeepers only put 9 brood frames instead of the 10 it takes to get truly proper spacing - sometimes then the bee space left "initially" is actually GREATER than you are going to get (do whatever you care to try) in any Top Bar Hive or other "Natural" comb arrangement. The Tracheal Mite grooming research you noticed reported in ABJ is merely helping us to understand a phenomenon (?sp?) that has been noted for over 75 years IN Langstroth hives and other hive types as well - that being that s ome strains of bees are highly resistant to Tracheal mites and survive sans treatment when susceptible stock is dieing all around them. If you howeve r have actually proof that you can get susceptible stock to survive multiple years untreated in ANY way for Tracheal mites in an area endemic with Tracheal mites simply due to them being in Top Bar Hives - while sister queens from the same stock mated in the same yard and merely housed in Langstroth hives are dieing - well if you have that data and the test was large enough to be statistically reliable - then I wanna see it. Additionally bees cannot fly in the dark - PERIOD!!! When we come home fr om moving bees and a few strays drift toward the porch light this can be read ily demonstrated - just flick the light off and PRONTO they hit the deck. So irregardless of having a blooming football field wide beespace they ain't gonna be doing no flying inside any successfully field usable hive type I have every seen - as they prefer a DARK hive interior. And a translucent hive wall or top to allow for interior flight is readily inclined to have a greenhouse effect which may render any such design a better wax melter th an abode for bees with the mere addition of sunlight. As to your occasionally repeated assertion that the beespace in a Langstro th hive does not allow the bees to crawl over one another to do the grooming - might make ya wonder how them bees did said grooming in the research you aforementioned???? Were they not in Langstroth equipment during that research???? Might I suggest a few easily done home experiments with bee space to help expand your understanding of this marvelous phenomena(?sp?) after which yo u may be inclined to shout "Eureka" as well. 1) skip the top bars and/or frames altogether - let them build where they want - then measure the spacing of the natural comb center to center 2) using wavy messed up combs that should have been melted down - put the waves facing but not touching each other insuring thusly inadequate bee sp ace in that area and then note how and what the bees to do regain normal spaci ng - note also what they do in the areas where the waves oppossed one another and the beespace was thus wider than normal - note what they do in both br ood and honey storage areas under both conditions - then report back Best wishes in your quest for understanding, Jack Griffes Coordinator Honeybee Improvement Program -breeding toward Dual Mite Resistance- http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprela y.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newspeer .monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimodia '99 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:50:45 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 64 Message-ID: <6ibgqm$qda$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.29 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 01 03:50:45 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12086 The following is part of a message sent to me by Gard Otis - I thought it might interest the newsgroup so have posted it hereon. Take Care, Jack Griffes ============ ============= below find the part of Gard's message ========= Apimondia'99 Program is Taking Shape_________________________________ Apimondia'99 is developing into a beekeeping event you do notwant to miss! Held every two years, congresses of Apimondia (the International Federation of Beekeeping Associations) are a source of new ideas about all aspects of bees and beekeeping from around the world. The next Apimondia congress will be held in Canada, from 12-18 September 1999, at the spectacular Trade andConvention Centre on the Vancouver waterfront. The theme of Apimondia'99 is "Beekeeping in the New Millennium". Mark Winston, a well-known researcher from the Vancouver area and Chair of the Program Committee, is excited about what he believes will be "quite simply, the best beekeeping meeting ever held". More than 150 speakers have been invited to participate in large plenary sessions and smaller symposia on dozens of aspects of beekeeping and bee research topics. Hundreds of other speakers will be presenting submitted papersand posters. The confirmed speaker list reads like an international Who's Who of Beekeeping: Adee (USA), Anderson (Australia), Beetsma (Netherlands), Crewe (S. Africa), De Jong (Brazil), Delaplane (USA), Fries (Sweden), Guzman (Mexico), Goodwin (UK), Koeniger (Germany), LeConte (France), Matheson (New Zealand), McKenna (Canada), Milani (Italy), Spivak (USA), van Eaton (New Zealand), and many, many others. It will be a long time before you will have the opportunity again to hear such a diverse group of high quality speakers at one meeting. ApiExpo'99, the apicultural trade show, also will take place inside the Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre. It will feature more than 150 displays of beekeeping equipment, honey and other bee products, miticides and other chemicals used in beekeeping, alcoholic beverages containing honey, beekeeping journals, ancient smokers, and everything else associated withbeekeeping! The Second Circular with full details about the meeting is scheduled for mailing in October, 1998. To receive more information, cont act: Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services, #645-375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC, B6B 5C6, Canada; Fax: (+604) 681-2503; E-mail: < congress@venuewest.com >. for a commercial display. Check the website regularly for more complete, up-to-date information: http://www.apimondia99.ca Official Sponsors of Apimondia'99 are: the British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture and Food, Dadant and Sons, Medivet Pharmaceuticals, Apistan, US National Honey Board, Bee Maid Honey and Western Wax Works, Arataki Honey Ltd., Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada/Agriculture et Agroalimentaire Canada, Simon Fraser University, and the Canadian Farm Business Management Council/Conseil canadien de la gestion d'enterprise agricole. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading