From bartwantsnospam@gn.apc.org Fri Apr 2 07:25:57 EST 1999 Article: 16344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: bartwantsnospam@gn.apc.org (Bart Maguire) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Crabs Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:40:07 GMT Organization: GreenNet Ltd Sender: bart@userk718.uk.uudial.com Message-ID: <36fc44ee.33326250@news.gn.apc.org> Reply-To: bartwantsnospam@gn.apc.org NNTP-Posting-Host: userk718.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.gn.apc.org!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16344 Having spent some days clearing part of the garden I am about to plant some apple trees (seven M26 rootstocks with three varieties on each). I have a Wisley crab apple to act as a pollinator for the other trees. Is there an accepted position for planting the crab apple in case I want to keep bees in the future - don't commercial orchards plant the pollinator at the ends of the rows? -- Bart From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Apr 2 07:25:57 EST 1999 Article: 16345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Presentation Date: Thu, 01 Apr 99 06:43:36 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <183135E9CS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <36FFD47F.A11AAABA@aug.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16345 In article <36FFD47F.A11AAABA@aug.edu> Timothy Dobbs writes: > Can any one suggest a site that has various photos > of bees that I can print out for these kids? > The mother load of bee photos will be found at: http://www. photovault.com/Link/OrdersEntomologyInsects/BeesHymenoptera/OEBVolume01-02.html I think this site also sets a record for the longest URL! (Note, the above URL won't fit on a single line, it must be entered as http://www.photovault.com/.... ) Also be warned that it takes a long time to load due the the vast number of photos it contains. But is IS the mother load! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri Apr 2 07:25:58 EST 1999 Article: 16346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7dum1f$7t$1@news1.Radix.Net> Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <3GMM2.217$As.15133@news15.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.142 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 922982143 209.69.69.142 (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:55:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:55:43 EST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:58:55 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16346 Kelly used to sell plastic hive bodies back in the 70's- I have seen old ads for them. Kelly still sells plastic lids and bottom boards. The lids are great, but the bottom boards flex too much- maybe the bodies had the same problem.... Ellen From msimics@direct.ca Fri Apr 2 07:25:59 EST 1999 Article: 16347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!not-for-mail From: "Michael Simics" Subject: Bee venom coll. training course Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Apitronic Services Message-ID: <01be7c69$d306c880$698742d8@michael> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:07:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.66.135.105 X-Trace: newsgate.direct.ca 922990066 216.66.135.105 (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:07:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:07:46 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16347 Hi All, A beginner bee venom collection training course will be held on Sept. 15, 1999 during the Apimondia '99. Please visit http://www.beevenom.com for more information. Sincerely, Michael Simics Apitronic Services msimics@direct.ca http://www.beevenom.com http://www.corp.direct.ca/beevenom/ From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Fri Apr 2 07:25:59 EST 1999 Article: 16348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3703AC32.CF931967@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Conglomo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Beard? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:26:15 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 922990521 24.92.236.85 (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:15:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:15:21 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16348 I am making a bee beard. Seen some pictures of people who keep their bees that way. I guess it's a good idea, because you don't need to buy any hives. So far, so good, but really, it's pretty painful. Is this normal? If I put foundation on my chin, will thebees make honey right there, where it's convenient? thank you! Leonard Pinth-Garnell From honeybs@radix.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:00 EST 1999 Article: 16349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:50:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7e0jic$h09$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7dum1f$7t$1@news1.Radix.Net> <3GMM2.217$As.15133@news15.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port15.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16349 "Anglin" wrote: >Kelly used to sell plastic hive bodies back in the 70's- I have seen old ads >for them. Kelly still sells plastic lids and bottom boards. The lids are >great, but the bottom boards flex too much- maybe the bodies had the same >problem.... >Ellen The only thing the plastic lids are good for is if you turn them upside down and put small rocks in them. They then collect rain water and water the bees. Just my humble opinion. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:00 EST 1999 Article: 16350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anole sunning on porch of hive Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:02:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <370289DE.7A0@unc.edu> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Apr 1999 01:05:12 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 1 17:15:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust17.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37041728.2987@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16350 Eileen Gregory wrote: > > On several occasions during the past week I've noticed an Anole sunning > itself on the porch of my beehive. Can anyone tell me whether Anoles > eat bees or would be harmful in any other way to the bees? Due to a > dumb decision last Fall to rearrange the supers the bees have been > coming and going via the top of the hive, so there's a fairly good > chance that there has been very little bee/Anole interaction, and maybe > it just uses the hive for shelter. What do you think? > Thanks for advice, > Eileen Gregory > obvious novice beekeeper I do not know what an Aole is. Might it be a bird or lizzard or what? Don From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Fri Apr 2 07:26:01 EST 1999 Article: 16351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!peer.news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mineral oil treatment Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:19:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 923019860 24.93.149.35 (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:24:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:24:20 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16351 In 19 years of beekeeping I've had my share of good years and bad, but none so discouraging as those first seasons of varroa mites here in southern Maine. Menthol, grease patties, nothing seemed effective. I was on the verge of quitting after a hard winter 2 years ago. Aspitan, though expensive, seemed to control the tracheal mites, but the varroa had free reign during the honeyflow. I started following this newsgroup 2 years ago and it has been quite an education. Perhaps the most significant thing I learned is a mineral oil treatment which has all but eliminated varroa mites in my hives. The winter has been relatively mild, which is a factor, but my hives have never been stronger. Plans for this treatment can be seen at http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/mineral_part2.html. I want to thank the people at Midnite bee for posting such valuable information and I want to thank all of you at this newsgroup for being helpful, knowledgeable and humorous. You too Hk1BeeMan. From e.engelhard@worldnet.att.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:01 EST 1999 Article: 16352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.16!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "Eric Engelhard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Beard? Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:35:13 +0200 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7e1apt$k4h$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <3703AC32.CF931967@twcny.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.san-francisco-01-02rs.ca.dial-access.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 923020925 20625 12.72.0.158 (2 Apr 1999 02:42:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 1999 02:42:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16352 JGinNY wrote in message <3703AC32.CF931967@twcny.rr.com>... >I am making a bee beard... After having made a lot of mead? Now let this be a lesson to us all. Never leave your keyboard unattended on April 1st. Big Smiles, Eric Engelhard, Ph.D. Owner Charmed Life From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:02 EST 1999 Article: 16353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.winstar.net!news.good.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 Questions?? Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:06:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Apr 1999 01:08:55 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 1 17:15:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust17.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37041807.3A93@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16353 Jim S wrote: > > Well, I decided to jump into the hobby and have > a couple questions. I just picked up some woodenware > and foundation today. > > 1. What precautions should I take with foundation that > may not be used for a couple months or next year? > Keep it flat on a shelf. I'm using some thet is several years old. Don't mess with it when it is too cold. > 2. Regarding painting hives, I read to only paint the > outside. From what I understand the bottom board > is reversible for a summer or winter entrance, so > either side could be the exterior (or interior!). Should > I paint both sides or neither? I'm planning on priming > the bare wood and using an exterior grade latex paint > - light color...OK? Yes You need not paint the inside. The bees coat it really well and if you reverse the bottom they will take care of that also. > > Thanks > Jim > Dallas, TX USA > http://www.ticnet.com/dfw-rc-net/ From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:03 EST 1999 Article: 16354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!chicago-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about B.J. Sherriff bee suit. Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:58:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7dqh1s$g3s@news1.snet.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Apr 1999 01:01:03 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 1 17:05:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 13 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust17.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3704162E.E97@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16354 npatt@snet.net wrote: > > I just purchased a B.J. Sherrif "Apiararist" suit. A couple of questions: > > Should I wear a hat under the veil? I notice the material sits very close to the back of my neck and ears with out one. > Can they sting through the material easily? > I am using the suit mainly to collect yellowjackets and hornets and would hate to have my ears stung through the material. > > Any of your lessons from experience with this suit may save me some pain! > > Norman Patterson > npatt@snet.net Just dont rub or scratch your nose with a bee on the veil. From etwild@aol.com Fri Apr 2 07:26:03 EST 1999 Article: 16355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: etwild@aol.com (ETWild) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is the best bee suit for AHB ??? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Mar 1999 23:31:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7dppa2$hjq$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990331183135.08310.00000317@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16355 >Subject: What is the best bee suit for AHB ??? >From: "Richard Edwards" >Now that AHB are in my county, I want to get a better suit. I vaguely >recall seeing a suit that had a zip-on veil and zip-on gloves, but I cannot >locate it. > >What suit are the South American folks using? In Paraguay, it is very common for people to just use an old long-sleeve shirt or two and long pants, same old bee veil, and rubber dishwashing gloves for working with AHB. I recall doing hive inspections with an Ache indian who was wearing only shorts! He used a lot of smoke, though. What made a lot of difference was the color of the clothes: White is always the best! Alex Wild alex_wild@hotmail.com From redbeard7@geocities.com Fri Apr 2 07:26:04 EST 1999 Article: 16356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.inc.net!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.csd.net!not-for-mail From: "Redbeard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Colony Status Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:52:55 -0700 Organization: Computer Systems Design Company Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7e23lt$r1l$2@apollo.csd.net> References: <37018959.3742090@news.greatbasin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 56ppp72.csd.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16356 These are probably German Dark Bees. I have heard that they are re-establishing in some areas due to the dying of Italian Feral colonies. These bees are smaller, darker and meaner than Italians. They were brought to the US first in the late 1600's from Europe. My father and uncle noticed the resurgence of these bees in central Indiana to levels not seen since the 1930's. Hope this helps. Redbeard Jesse Wellman wrote in message <37018959.3742090@news.greatbasin.net>... |Hi, | A friend who lives near an almond orchard in the cental valley |near marysville has a colony of dark bees(not italian) living in the |walls of an abandoned out building. My friend says that the bees have |been there continuously for 2 years. Is it possible that this colony |is some how resistant to vm, and other parasites, or more likely that |several queens have been there over the 2 years, only my friend never |noticed the inbetween down time. | How many wild colonys remain, especially in cold pre/non |africanised areas? | |Curious | |Jesse |jesse@wellman.reno.nv.us From fallon@hotmail.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:05 EST 1999 Article: 16357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!news2.kosone.com!abc-ri16.northcom.net From: fallon@hotmail.com (Martin Fallon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what am i using? Message-ID: <3704bdf1.1625226@news.northcom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Organization: Kingston Online Services Lines: 8 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:56:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.246.3.130 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 923057484 199.246.3.130 (Fri, 02 Apr 1999 06:51:24 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 06:51:24 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16357 I see in the catalogs all these diffferent hive configurations and sizes. Dadants, British Standard, blah, blah, blah. I wonder what am I using. Plain old supers with 10 frames, a bottom board, inner cover and roof. Is there a name for any special configs developed here in North America? Just wondering, Steve From pollinator@aol.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:06 EST 1999 Article: 16358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 Questions?? Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Apr 1999 14:01:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990402090140.05310.00000679@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16358 In article , "Jim S" writes: >I read to only paint the >outside. ......... I'm planning on priming >the bare wood and using an exterior grade latex paint >- light color...OK? That's a common shibboleth. Supposingly the bees don't like a painted surface. I can tell you with great assurance that the bees don't care, if the paint is dry. Furthermore there is a very GOOD reason to paint both sides. Latex paint "breathes" very nicely, and will let sufficient moisture pass to help ventilate the hive. But IF you paint only one side, the moisture and air transfer is uneven. If the wood has any tendency to warp, it will..... Paint both sides and you will equalize the moisture on both sides of the board. I have never seen warped wood on hives that were dipped in paint. Another myth is that paint will stop rot. That is not true, and whether you paint one side or both, the wood will rot if it does not dry quickly after becoming wet. If you can afford it, use wood that is less likely to rot, such as cypress or cedar. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From gwest7t@rectec.net Sat Apr 3 06:05:06 EST 1999 Article: 16359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-feed.nortel.net!news.nortel.net!not-for-mail From: GW Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about B.J. Sherriff bee suit. Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:38:19 -0600 Organization: Nortel Information Network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3704E46A.E5FC07BE@rectec.net> References: <7dqh1s$g3s@news1.snet.net> <3704162E.E97@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.10.10.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: workerbee Cache-Post-Path: nntpcache2.nortel.net!unknown@firewallii-i.nrtc.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16359 I bought one of the suits last year. It has bee very good at keeping me from getting stung. I would recommend it. The suit is so slick that the bees can not get a grip on the material so they can not poke their stinging apparatus into the person inside. have fun' gw workerbee wrote: > npatt@snet.net wrote: > > > > I just purchased a B.J. Sherrif "Apiararist" suit. A couple of questions: > > > > Should I wear a hat under the veil? I notice the material sits very close to the back of my neck and ears with out one. > > Can they sting through the material easily? > > I am using the suit mainly to collect yellowjackets and hornets and would hate to have my ears stung through the material. > > > > Any of your lessons from experience with this suit may save me some pain! > > > > Norman Patterson > > npatt@snet.net > Just dont rub or scratch your nose with a bee on the veil. From schwaller@Schwaller.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 3 06:05:07 EST 1999 Article: 16360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!Schwaller.demon.co.uk!schwaller From: Ernie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:36:14 +0100 Organization: Household Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 923071433 nnrp-06:21738 NO-IDENT schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16360 In article <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, griffes@my-dejanews.com writes >In article <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk>, > Ernie wrote: >> In article <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net>, Marc Andelman >> writes >> >Douse bee hive with gasoline. Light. >> > >> >Regards, >> >Marc Andelman >> > >> > >> Bit drastic ayn't it!! Ernie >> -- >> Ernie >> > >Nahhh!! them V-mites gotta be killed at any cost now don't they Ernie? > >But if you wanna reuse the comb ya might as well kill EVERYTHING in the hive >including all disease via using Gamma Irradation. Of course they more than >just frown on ya irradiating honey - let alone bees. But if ya kill all the >bees then the mites will eventually die - if you burn 'em or irradiate 'em >the mites will die real quick. Mark wants to "watch 'em burn" while I prefer >to "nuke 'em" but I am sure we both are open-minded enough to allow you to >come up with your own favored method of dealing with the blasted V-mites. >;-) > >Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own I never said douse them with petrol I have too much respect for bees. Sorry but you must be mistaken Ernie -- Ernie From drgonfly@ultranet.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:08 EST 1999 Article: 16361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:19:36 -0500 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7e32b3$p9b$1@antiochus.ultra.net> References: <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <37005305.38C7@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-122-233-94.s94.tnt5.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 2 Apr 1999 18:29:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16361 AL wrote in message <37005305.38C7@midwest.net>... > >Marc has some curious beekeeping interests - in particular I remember a >post asking about the meanest bees available to use as guard bees. Hey >Marc, did you ever get that wax build up removed from your wife's pots & >pans:) > > >AL No, but I discovered a new way to make plastic from beeswax. I tried to dissolved the beewax with paint thinner, whereupon a chemical reaction occured that created some sort of halogenated polymer. Needless to say, this is stuck to the pans even worse than before. Perhaps future beekeepers will follow up with these and re-discover how to make plastic from beeswax. Needless to say, the wife was none too pleased. Regards, Marc Andelman From beeman@algonet.se Sat Apr 3 06:05:08 EST 1999 Article: 16362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.inc.net!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail From: P-O Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 21:26:33 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 21 Message-ID: <370519E9.6AB0CF11@algonet.se> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu104-76.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 923085863 22145 195.163.76.104 (2 Apr 1999 20:44:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 1999 20:44:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16362 Styrofoam hives work very well in cold climates. They don't warp, swell, or rot as wood does. They will not absorb water and get mouldy in winter. The weight of a hive is less than half of wood, and you save your back working with them. 40 mm styrofoam provides insulation and no other wrapping is needed in winter. In summer they will not get heated up by the sun so easily as wooden boxes without insulation, and thus save the bees work to cool down hive. A majority of commercial beekeeper use styrofoam hives here, and many hobbyists too. See them at my homepage. -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ From paulp@ims.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:09 EST 1999 Article: 16363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anole sunning on porch of hive Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:16:23 -0800 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <370541B7.CC1E5753@ims.com> References: <370289DE.7A0@unc.edu> <37041728.2987@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16363 workerbee wrote: > Eileen Gregory wrote: > > > > On several occasions during the past week I've noticed an Anole sunning > > itself on the porch of my beehive. Can anyone tell me whether Anoles > > eat bees or would be harmful in any other way to the bees? Due to a > > dumb decision last Fall to rearrange the supers the bees have been > > coming and going via the top of the hive, so there's a fairly good > > chance that there has been very little bee/Anole interaction, and maybe > > it just uses the hive for shelter. What do you think? > > Thanks for advice, > > Eileen Gregory > > obvious novice beekeeper > I do not know what an Aole is. Might it be a bird or lizzard or what? > > Don An anole is a small lizard. Their main diet items are insects. I haven't heard of it happening, but I can imagine that it might be eating some bees. Depending on how big it is, I wouldn't think it could handle more than a dozen a day, and maybe much less. My son has a couple of pet lizards (bearded dragons) and finding and keeping live prey for them is always a bit of a challenge. I've thought of trying to harvest drones from my hives to feed them. I worry about what a bee sting inside their mouth would do if I gave them workers to eat. You might also try posting your question on sci.bio.herp or rec.pets.herp. Paul From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:10 EST 1999 Article: 16364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.150!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr2.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3705034C.61653BCC@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Conglomo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what am i using? References: <3704bdf1.1625226@news.northcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:50:08 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr2.twcny.rr.com 923078193 24.92.236.85 (Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:36:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:36:33 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16364 standard 10-Frame Langstroth hive, "American style" Martin Fallon wrote: > I see in the catalogs all these diffferent hive configurations and > sizes. Dadants, British Standard, blah, blah, blah. I wonder what am > I using. Plain old supers with 10 frames, a bottom board, inner cover > and roof. Is there a name for any special configs developed here in > North America? > > Just wondering, > Steve From timjk@my-dejanews.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:10 EST 1999 Article: 16365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and pools? Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:50:21 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7e3s4q$h3c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.156 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 03 01:50:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x3.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.156 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16365 Thinking about setting up a couple hives in my back yard. My swimming pool will by about 50' away. Will the bees be wanting to stop by and take a drink? If so this could bee a problem. Also, any suggestions for a newbie on what type of bees would be good to start with? Thanks, Tim -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From drgonfly@ultranet.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:11 EST 1999 Article: 16366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: orchard and other bees question Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:47:05 -0500 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7e3shu$734$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-122-233-92.s92.tnt5.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 3 Apr 1999 01:57:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16366 Hi folks. I just got my orchard bees in the mail. They come in little blocks of wood with holes drilled in, sealed with mud. I nailed these to a larger drilled block of wood , and put it on a south wall. What happens now? Am I supposed to moisten the mud , add water, or do anything? Or do they take it from here? Will they get along with my honeybees in the same yard? Also, has anyone kept leaf cutter bees and what are they exactly? Can you also obtain bumblebees commercially. How do you cultivate these other bees? Regards, Marc Andelman From griffes@my-dejanews.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:12 EST 1999 Article: 16367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 04:46:56 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 93 Message-ID: <7e46fv$pef$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.23 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 03 04:46:56 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16367 In article , Ernie wrote: > In article <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, griffes@my-dejanews.com > writes > >In article <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk>, > > Ernie wrote: > >> In article <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net>, Marc Andelman > >> writes > >> >Douse bee hive with gasoline. Light. > >> > > >> >Regards, > >> >Marc Andelman > >> > > >> > > >> Bit drastic ayn't it!! Ernie > >> -- > >> Ernie > >> > > > >Nahhh!! them V-mites gotta be killed at any cost now don't they Ernie? > > > >But if you wanna reuse the comb ya might as well kill EVERYTHING in the hive > >including all disease via using Gamma Irradation. Of course they more than > >just frown on ya irradiating honey - let alone bees. But if ya kill all the > >bees then the mites will eventually die - if you burn 'em or irradiate 'em > >the mites will die real quick. Mark wants to "watch 'em burn" while I prefer > >to "nuke 'em" but I am sure we both are open-minded enough to allow you to > >come up with your own favored method of dealing with the blasted V-mites. > >;-) > > > >Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com > > > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > > > I never said douse them with petrol I have too much respect for bees. > Sorry but you must be mistaken Ernie > -- > Ernie > Dear Ernie, Lest ya get your shorts tied in a knot over a simple misunderstanding/misreading please look more carefully at the messages above. MARC is clearly cited as the party that playfully suggested dousing a colony with gasoline and touching it off as a "new way to kill Varroa" - you Ernie on the other hand said something akin to "bit drastic ain't it??" Look at your last message just above this and you can play detective and figure out exactly how ya might have gotten confused - it appears to me that you signed your name at the end of the line and then you also added a sig file. If you look back you will see you did the same exact thing in your previous message. I then interjected playfully that I did not feel it was too drastic as noted by the winking smiley ;-) I put both in the subject line and in my response. As to the "I have more respect for bees than that" - all I can say is that you just revealed that you have never done every beekeeper for miles around you the favor of burning colonies laden with AFB scale. Now I will grant you that may be out of your realm of authority and in the hands of inspectors or even Veterinarians in some locales but hereabouts you do it yourself or it don't get done. (it is possible you are so new or perhaps so small that you have never had the pleasure of having to deal with AFB YET) One effective way to accomplish the task (realizing using gasoline is DANGEROUS) is to bag the colony and pour in about a cup of gasoline and close the bag. Fanning noise will increase MARKEDLY and then eventually will slow down and quit. You do this AFTER DARK so no bees can fly. Then you open up the bag and step back and toss a burning object toward it. Like I said it ain't totally safe so do step back - an explosion can occur as per super coming apart or such like. OH one other thing - dig a hole FIRST - one deep enough to bury the ashes and put the hive in that hole before setting it ablaze (I suggest you use a magnet to pick up all the MANY nails OR do the "burn and bury" somewhere where nails surfacing will not be a problem to you or others). Then make sure EVERYTHING burns up and bury the ashes. Of course where allowed using Gamma Irradiation on the AFB laden equipment (no bees nor honey in it) allows you to reuse the comb and equipment and in that first season starting with DISEASE FREE equipment the average honey production will be boosted just about enough to pay for the irradiation (according to Dean Breaux of HybriBees who has tested it against non-irradiated equipment and personally face to face told me the results as we live less than 3 miles from each other nowadays - hmmm seems like it may have been written up in ABJ also - anybody got a reference??). Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and pools? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Apr 1999 05:35:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7e3s4q$h3c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990403003527.07584.00001585@ng155.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16368 > My swimming pool >will by about 50' away. Will the bees be wanting to stop by and take a >drink? If so this could b if they discover it as a primary water sourse then they'll be there. Cover your pool tightly, dont let rain water stand on the cover, give em a few weeks to find somewhere else, maybe they'll leave it alone Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hello Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Apr 1999 05:40:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <923037942.747964@prokk.uzhgorod.ua> Message-ID: <19990403004036.07584.00001591@ng155.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16369 >help me please to find out the hospital and the doctors where they can treat >for an illness which has an unusual current. Greetings Vitaly, Here in the US i used to work as a paramedic Ihave seen and heard of instances where people are cared for from other countries by Duke University Medical Center in Durham North Carolina. I know this is not much information, but maybe it is a start. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Colony Status Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 05:38:21 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 63 Message-ID: <7e49gd$s01$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <37018959.3742090@news.greatbasin.net> <7e23lt$r1l$2@apollo.csd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 03 05:38:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16370 In article <7e23lt$r1l$2@apollo.csd.net>, "Redbeard" wrote: > These are probably German Dark Bees. I have heard that they are > re-establishing in some areas due to the dying of Italian Feral > colonies. These bees are smaller, darker and meaner than Italians. > They were brought to the US first in the late 1600's from Europe. My > father and uncle noticed the resurgence of these bees in central > Indiana to levels not seen since the 1930's. Hope this helps. > > Redbeard > > Jesse Wellman wrote in message > <37018959.3742090@news.greatbasin.net>... > |Hi, > | A friend who lives near an almond orchard in the cental valley > |near marysville has a colony of dark bees(not italian) living in the > |walls of an abandoned out building. My friend says that the bees > have > |been there continuously for 2 years. Is it possible that this colony > |is some how resistant to vm, and other parasites, or more likely that > |several queens have been there over the 2 years, only my friend never > |noticed the inbetween down time. > | How many wild colonys remain, especially in cold pre/non > |africanised areas? > | > |Curious > | > |Jesse > |jesse@wellman.reno.nv.us > It is VERY possible Jesse that your friend did not note the down time between swarms repopulating and empty cavity. The magic bullet theorists might be inclined to tell ya them bees are VR but this beekeeper that actually runs a bee breeding program working on breeding VR bees (14 Cooperators - over 10,000 colonies) is inclined to disbelieve it. Why?? We have had quite a lot of such tales told us - we take the following approach - "call us on the first warm day in March and tell us if the bees are flying pretty strong and quite a few of them are wearing yellow or biege chaps" - one year we had 6 feral nest sights under such orders - oddly enough NOT A ONE of them alleged long time survivors actually survived - not so oddly a swarm did try to move in to at least one of those dead out nest sights during swarm season. REMEMBER that a nest site wherein bees have lived before is VERY attractive to a swarm seeking a home. And what do you think the homeowner would have thought had we not gotten them to accurately observe things?? Redbeard - in CA near an almond orchard my bet goes on an escaped swarm of Carniolans if them bees are dark. Then again you can even breed BLACK Italians if you work at it a titch. Realize too that here in the USA there ain't much in the way of pure anything in honeybee stock - you can find stock that follows a certain matriline back to pure racial stock but odds are the patriline ain't pure same race. To put it more in terms of what the late Brother Adam would say - MONGREL stock - oh but he would not have shouted it but just said it "mongrel stock." Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Apr 1999 05:52:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3702CF13.AAEDCFE2@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990403005212.07584.00001595@ng155.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16371 >As I understand things Gamma rays as us I bleve i caught me one a them gamma rays down at the coast one time whilest fishin fer the lustrous king mackeral. Dang thang put up a heck ofa fight.. yep i's bet they'd whip a verro mite hands down Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee venom coll. training course Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Apr 1999 05:45:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01be7c69$d306c880$698742d8@michael> Message-ID: <19990403004509.07584.00001593@ng155.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16372 >Hi All, > >A beginner bee venom collection training course will be held on Sept. 15, >1999 during the Apimondia '99. Please visit http://www.beevenom.com for >more information. > hey thats nice an all but did ya get a load of those prices......OUCH !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!135.173.83.24!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anole sunning on porch of hive Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:55:05 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37041728.2987@earthlink.net> <19990403010753.07584.00001599@ng155.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Apr 1999 00:57:50 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Apr 3 17:05:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 27 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust157.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3706B869.605@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16373 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >I do not know what an Aole is. Might it be a bird or lizzard or what? > > > >Don Sorry, spelling dosen't count cause ya gnow dat usens from Norf Carolinia aint so ed-u-kated sum tymes. > > simple a A-ole is a person that pisses ya off a lot so as to get ya to the > point of callin him a A-ole. > > Now a anole is NC's and some other states excuse for a chamelion, ya know one a > them lizards that changes his color to fit the event.. kinda like a politition > ya might say. > They make wonderful pets and will eventually wind up on bout every kids wish > list. And when the kid quits feedin it, and it dies and ya find it a month > later its become one hell of a bass bait. > > Once in a while i'll run cross one that has developed a taste for free bee > lunch, jus catch him and toss him out in a nother yard bout a mile away and > that usually does the trick. They dont seem to mind the stingers, and can turn > the shade of gray of a old bottom board. > > They ain't much meat on em, an they taste like crap...but if'n ya hungry theys > do in a rush. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.208.190.2!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anole sunning on porch of hive Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:52:24 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <370289DE.7A0@unc.edu> <37041728.2987@earthlink.net> <370541B7.CC1E5753@ims.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Apr 1999 00:55:10 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Apr 3 17:05:01 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust157.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3706B7C8.29E4@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16374 Paul Petty wrote: > > workerbee wrote: > > > Eileen Gregory wrote: > > > > > > On several occasions during the past week I've noticed an Anole sunning > > > itself on the porch of my beehive. Can anyone tell me whether Anoles > > > eat bees or would be harmful in any other way to the bees? Due to a > > > dumb decision last Fall to rearrange the supers the bees have been > > > coming and going via the top of the hive, so there's a fairly good > > > chance that there has been very little bee/Anole interaction, and maybe > > > it just uses the hive for shelter. What do you think? > > > Thanks for advice, > > > Eileen Gregory > > > obvious novice beekeeper > > I do not know what an Aole is. Might it be a bird or lizzard or what? > harvest drones from my hives to feed them. I worry about what a bee sting > inside their mouth would do if I gave them workers to eat. You would not have to worry very long if the lizzard got stung. I have bees at a friends house and his friendly dogs meet me buy never go to the bee yard after that first trip. Don > > > Paul From nospam@home.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "news" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test post - please ignore Lines: 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 01:00:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 923187629 24.6.224.103 (Sat, 03 Apr 1999 17:00:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 17:00:29 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16375 -- George C replace nospam with ghclark From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:08:50 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3702CF13.AAEDCFE2@valley.net> <19990403005212.07584.00001595@ng155.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Apr 1999 01:11:36 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Apr 3 17:15:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 13 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust157.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3706BBA2.51AD@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16376 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >As I understand things Gamma rays as us > > I bleve i caught me one a them gamma rays down at the coast one time whilest > fishin fer the lustrous king mackeral. Dang thang put up a heck ofa fight.. yep > i's bet they'd whip a verro mite hands down > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC I still like to use a BB gun but it is really hard to knock the little suckers off without hittins and rearranging the molocules in Miss Workerbee which killes her immediately. Got swarms Don From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:05:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7e32b3$p9b$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <19990403005359.07584.00001596@ng155.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Apr 1999 01:07:49 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Apr 3 17:15:10 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust157.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3706BABE.6B72@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16377 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >No, but I discovered a new way to make plastic from beeswax. I tried > >to dissolved the beewax with paint thinner, whereupon a chemical > >reaction occured that created some sort o > > just dip the pan in ya lye barrell next time ya cleaning hive bodies, all > propolis, wax etc will disolve immediately if not sooner > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Yep and if they are aluminum(no spell chech here Big Johnson) they will disolve too. Used to use lye, water and aluminum in a coke bottle to blow up baloons and watch them float away after being tied off. Any youngsters reading this:IT IS VERY DANGEROUS SO DON'T DO IT. Don From joyp@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: joyp@aol.com (Joyp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: where to buy bees Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Apr 1999 13:38:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990406093832.08674.00003147@ng95.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16379 I am asking this question for a friend who does not have Internet access. He wants to start a beehive. He would like to know where to buy the bees. He lives in Northeast Tennessee near the KY border. Any help would be much apreciated. From Fraser@Firthmuir.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 8 16:50:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freeserve News" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:30:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.tantulum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 923419690 19771 62.136.36.9 (6 Apr 1999 17:28:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 1999 17:28:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16380 I HAD FIVE HIVES OF BEES WHICH LIVED THROUGH THE WINTER AND HAD PLENTY HONEY BUT NO POLLEN. FIRST SUNNY WARM DAY TWO OF THE HIVES THE BEES CLUSTERED ON THE LANDING BOARDS AND KEPT COMING OUT FORMING A HEAP ALMOST TO THE GROUND, THEY FELL ONTO THE GROUND AND CRAWLED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND GOT LOST. WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS. From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Apr 1999 18:09:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990406140903.18165.00002934@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16381 From: "Freeserve News" >THEY FELL ONTO THE GROUND AND >CRAWLED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND >GOT LOST. I meant to also add: You should have a bee inspector who can test for tracheal mites. But you need to do it quickly, before the samples decay. The equipment should be usuable, including the honey, for package bees. Always check for foulbrood scale of course, before reusing equipment from deadouts. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!peer.news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Gathering bees Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:24:06 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 Apr 1999 23:26:58 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Apr 5 16:35:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 23 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust141.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37094616.1495@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16382 I spent the day with Kevin Johnson removing honey bees from the overhang box on the end of a ladys' house. We used the Bee vac that he is always talking so highly about. Well, guess what? IT DOES WORK WELL. We lost less than 100 bees and vaccumed about 3 lbs. When we (I) (he gave instructions all day cause it was my learning day), Got it opened up we found oodles of sealed brood, sealed and open queen cells, and larva of every age and no eggs and about half the bees we expected and no queen to be found. Looks like a swarm probably left there just a couple of days ago. We took it all, tied a lot of the brood in frames, gave them a really nice capped queen cell, lots of syrup and closed them up. I'll check them out in about 4 days and see how they are doing. Will be watching for pollan going in starting tomorrow. After getting them settled in and feeding ourselves, a phone call came in about a swarm 4 feet of the ground. Did I want it was the question? We went and got it right then. They are settled in on plastic and lots of syrup. Our honey flow starts in the next week so I'll be able to tell how they pull the stuff. A wonderful day and we didn't even go get the bees out of another house. I guess Saturday will be a good day to go again. Don in NC From mae@indy.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!WCG!216.37.2.10!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:14:09 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37090B81.5082@indy.net> References: <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-87-180.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 923357052 27500 209.183.87.180 (6 Apr 1999 00:04:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 1999 00:04:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16383 griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > Nahhh!! them V-mites gotta be killed at any cost now don't they Ernie? > > But if you wanna reuse the comb ya might as well kill EVERYTHING in the hive > including all disease via using Gamma Irradation. Of course they more than A long time ago I was working my way through college in the Purdue University Entomology Orchard. We had a few trees labeled IRR. Being navie I asked what it stood for. Irradiated Seedlings. I ALWAYS WONDERED IF THEY GLOWED AT NIGHT? Tobi From honey.road@sympatico.ca Thu Apr 8 16:50:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.97.14.174!europa.clark.net!209.150.97.11!feeder.qis.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <370A4526.21D6FE60@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant 6 frams extractor and elect uncapping knife for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:33:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.179 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 923420032 206.172.183.179 (Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:33:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:33:52 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16384 Is it electric or hand crank? Allen B Max Sanders wrote: > As a hobby beekeeper, I used this only once. It is is great shape. Please > make offer and e-mail me at max@gadsden.com. Thanks Max Sanders Gadsden, > Alabama From abchome@webzone.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.165.100.175 Message-ID: <37083B07.1A9C0EBB@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: It's swarm season Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:24:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 923286318 205.219.23.10 (Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:25:18 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:25:18 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16385 I have had 11 calls in the last 3 days for swarms here in Tulsa, Have had to pass them on to other beekeepers as I own my own business and cannot take off to get them durring the day, but yesterday and today I brought home some very nice swarms. they will be used for new genetic material if they prove to be worth anything, (I raise queens as a hobby). But I posted this to let you know that the hives are swarming early this year so get out there and check your hives. I cannot get anymore as all of my equipment is now full and I do not want more than the 2 dozen hives I have now. Good luck Donald From abchome@webzone.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.idt.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.165.100.175 Message-ID: <37083C5F.31FB0DD@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What do I say? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:30:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 923286663 205.219.23.10 (Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:31:03 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:31:03 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16386 I have been asked to advise the local Zoo as they prepare an extensive beekeeping exhibit. There are so many different aspects to beekeeping that I need some suggestions as to which way to go for display to the general public. I know you each have your own ideas and I would love to hear them. Please respond to me directly if you would so that I do not have to transfer ideas out of the newsgroups. Donald Franson From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!alnews.ncsc.mil!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Apr 1999 18:05:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990406140533.18165.00002931@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16387 From: "Freeserve News" >I HAD FIVE HIVES OF BEES WHICH LIVED THROUGH THE WINTER AND HAD PLENTY HONEY >BUT NO POLLEN. FIRST SUNNY WARM DAY TWO OF THE HIVES THE BEES CLUSTERED ON >THE LANDING BOARDS AND KEPT COMING OUT FORMING A HEAP ALMOST TO THE GROUND, >THEY FELL ONTO THE GROUND AND CRAWLED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND GOT LOST. WOULD >VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS. Please don't shout. (capital letters) I would suspect tracheal mites first. More and more, our bees are resistant to tracheal mites. Did you purchase bees from a breeder who treats for tracheal mites (thereby not developing a resistant strain)? If you do, you are compelled to continue treating. Are you in an area with poor fall pollen, or were the bees poor gatherers? The latter would again be a tracheal mite indicator. There are other possibilities, but we saw thousands of hives do just this, during the heyday of the tracheal mite era....... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rice polishing machine Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:18:23 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 49 Message-ID: <370AC06E.9A50400C@valley.net> References: <3709A2F4.A771BE04@farmmachine.co.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-122.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16388 why am i reading this? hello? [taps on monitor] is there anybody in there? were you attracted to this group because of the word 'beekeeping' in its name, thinking beekeepers have a special need to polish rice? no need for fancy machinery. a little pledge and a soft cloth and my rice gets polished just fine, thank you very much. and, since my grandma, who taught me how, was from warsaw, it's a nice Polish polish, too. we now continue with our regular programming. donga@farmmachine.co.kr wrote: > title: farm machine > company: Donga Co. Ltd > contact person: ik ju,kim > address: 47-1 nowon 3-ga, buk-gu, taegu > zip : 702-083 > Phone: +82-53-352-8060 > fax: +82-53-351-8061 > e-mail: donga@farmmachine.co.kr > Company Profile > Dong-A Industrial co. has 20 years history. We manufacture > agricultural machinery (Rice polishing machine of samm size, > Stone selecting machine, Backet conveyance, Ultrasonic rat repeller) > All kinds of rice can be polished. Polishing quality is high by > spira grinding roller which designed specially. Our rice polishing > machine of small size field, we occupied 60% of domestic market > and developed the earliest straw cutting machine which passed > the exam of the korean goverment in 1985. And Agriculture Advancement > Administration approve best rice of quality which polished by this > machine. On 1998, we manufacture sawdust making machine and we are > exporting our products to China,Russia, Pillipines, Pakistan, > Malaysia, etc. > http://www.farmmachine.co.kr ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From allend@internode.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in blocks Plus Drumming Plus Books Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 16:23:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7eao1j$uki$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19990405074633.17644.00002210@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 To: allend@internode.net X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 05 16:23:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.187 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16389 > It is extremely difficult to get bees out of a block wall. In a wooden wall you can open it up and physically remove them. I'm wondering what the evidence is that these are indeed honey bees? > You *might* have success by "drumming," This is the way old time beekeepers got bees out of a hollow log. If you get a rubber mallet and begin a rythmic > knocking on the block that they are in, they may find it so unpleasant that > they will all run out. Have a queen cage ready to capture the queen and prevent her from running back in. Also have a hive ready. It would help, if you can give them a brood frame from another hive. Now this is an interesting subject. Although I've played a tiny bit with drumming, and understand that this effect is what supposedly keeps bees in their hives on an idling truck, I really have never done it seriously. So, I'm wondering about this technique. Does anyone know how long it takes to get the bees running? What are the tricks? Is this technique used at all to get bees to run up into the box when making package bees or do most people rely on smoke? One of the things that got me wondering about drumming was that a 'net friend sent me a book in the mail the other day. It was called Honey Farming by R.O.B. Manley and is fascinating reading, as it deals with commercial beekeeping in the UK in pre-World War II days and contains many ideas that are still fresh today. One of the things he mentions is how he got his first bees ('druv bees') from skeps using drumming -- as I understood him to say. While speaking of books, I have much enjoyed your books, Dave. They arrived promptly by mail a little while back in response to my request. Thank you. "A Shirker, Not a Worker" will come in handy when/if we become grandparents. I think it would make good bedtime reading. Your other book, "My Family Tree" doesn't seem to have much to do with bees, but it gave me a few good chuckles and kept my wife and a friend in stitches for quite a while. allen Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From tomasmozer@juno.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and pools? Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:35:38 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 8 Message-ID: <370B7B4A.51D1@juno.com> References: <7e3s4q$h3c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 923492380 OCZ7E7JIA48C D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: timjk@my-dejanews.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16390 two suggestions that have been posted previously on this or another list and may help, although can't say from personal experience (yet): 1)keep your chlorine levels in pool water high (presumably at the upper end of reccommended range) to repel bees; 2)provide water for your bees from a feeder device (presumably internal or external will both work, results may vary depending on your particular situation)... good luck! From w8864@midwest.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Italian or Not? Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:49:02 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <923417449.399.11@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.56.30 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:50:49 GMT X-Trace: 923417449.399.11 JF3D7GB4M381ED0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16391 I am going to start a couple of colonys this year and was told I should get "3 banded Italians" because of their docile nature. I found Italian bees but they didn't have the three banded , is there a big difference in the two species. As far as their agressiveness? thanx bill From hhf34@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: regulations for packaging honey? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Apr 1999 22:25:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <922594553.469901@super.ccp.com> Message-ID: <19990407182546.13109.00005662@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16392 Each state has their own rules and regulations regarding the packaging of food products no matter what industry. If you contact your states Department of Agriculture they will know which direction to send you in. TTYL! Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! From malley@netdoor.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can sertian plant give honey a off or bitter taste Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:18:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.94 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 923526956 208.137.149.94 (Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:15:56 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:15:56 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16393 I know sertain flower or plants can make honey havea different flavor. My question is can some plants make honey taste bad? I was told that Privit hedge made it taste bitter. Newbee Robert From npatt@snet.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: free yellowjacket removal Date: 7 Apr 1999 16:49:52 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7eg2bg$m0s@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh3-port20.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16394 To bad you didn't like here in Connecticut. I collect yellowjackets for free! Norman Patterson npatt@snet.net From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.111.230.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.208.190.2!news.globix.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Italian or Not? Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 03:22:32 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7eh7di$c5r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <923417449.399.11@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.11 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 08 03:22:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x4.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16395 In article <923417449.399.11@news.remarQ.com>, "Bill" wrote: > I am going to start a couple of colonys this year and was told I should get > "3 banded Italians" because of their docile nature. I found Italian bees > but they didn't have the three banded , is there a big difference in the > two species. As far as their agressiveness? > > thanx > bill > > Bill, All Apis mellifera (common honeybee) races and strains are of the same species. Here in the USA basically anything with a lot of yellow gets labeled Italian and anything with lots of black tends to get labelled Carniolan or Caucasian. Fact is most everything in USA is mixed stock not pure of any race. You can find USA "Italians" of very gentle nature and you can find some few that will stitch your socks on. It all depends on whether gentleness is a important selection criterion and whether the breeder controls drones well in the mating area to insure he/she sends out "known" type stock. You can occasionally cross two very gentle stocks from different origins and end up with quite cross bees in the F1 - one of the wonders of genetics ya might say. And when you have only a colony or two you may get that one odd cross queen in a hundred and think incorrectly that "this is cross stock" when really you just got one of the exceptions to the rule. In a nutshell get bees you are happy with and bee happy with 'em. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From CincyGuy46@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: CincyGuy46@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SCI Publishings new site Date: 8 Apr 1999 10:55:14 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7ei1ui$44o$4@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.122.152 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 923568914 4248 12.76.122.152 (8 Apr 1999 10:55:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 1999 10:55:14 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16396 Owner of SCI Publishing announces new web site. The worlds largest noncorporate web site. 54 Seperate sites in one Something for everyone... http://www.georgerabe.com GRAPHICS (loads of original graphics) ANIMATIONS (loads of original animated gifs) ASTROLOGY AVIATION SKYDIVING (worlds largest skydiving site) KIDS HUMOR JOKES HYPNOSIS ALL HOLIDAYS ASTROLOGY GIANT ONLINE STORE TRAVEL WEATHER BOOK STORE MAGAZINE RACK HOLY BIBLE SITE WEBMASTERS GOODIES CHRISTIAN WEB MASTERS GRAPHICS AND LINKS MY I CHING BOOK (plus 1000s of I Ching links) AWESOME FIREWORKS (the best on the web) AMAZING JAVA PAGES PHOTOS - JPGs - GIFs - ANIMATED GIFs CARTOONS SMILEY FACE SITE OVER 10,000 LINKS AND MUCH MORE http://www.georgerabe.com From twentyone@clara.co.uk Thu Apr 8 16:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp2.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick Templar" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones> Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:55:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.84.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp2.clara.net 923594128 195.8.84.180 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:55:28 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:55:28 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16397 Well thet's dependant on many things ... bees don't collect honey they collect nectar then turn it into honey. but according to the ABC and XYZ of bee culture by AI and ER Root (I consulted the 1935 edition) page 762 tells you that 40,000 to 50,000 bees in the air at one time during the middle of the day while a nectar flow is in progress can collect between 5 and 10 pounds of nectar. The average however is about 4 to 5 pounds a day ( the record in 1935 was 66 pounds of nectar >from one colony in one day). A bee can carry half its own weight in nectar at any one time. The bees then evaporate off the excess water and he presto ... Honey! But how much honey can one bee make in a day? John Galbraith wrote in message <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones>... >My 6 year old son recently asked me "how much honey can a good bee make in a >day"! Any ideas for an answer? > > From chris@mail.sunlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news20.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "chris heffner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colony Strength and health Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <7P7P2.1741$ai2.72013@news20.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.234.170.142 X-Trace: news20.ispnews.com 923601219 199.234.170.142 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:53:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:53:39 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:47:06 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16398 Hello everyone, I have been reading these posts for awhile. I would like to ask a question. I am a second year beekeeper from Central Pennsylvania with one hive of Carniolan's. I started this hive from a 4 frame nuc last May. The colony did fairly well last year as far as buildup was concerned. They were not able to draw out a super for me though. I wintered them in two deeps and they had a full deep and a half of honey. For the last two weeks our has been in the 60's to 70's everyday. April 3rd I dusted with Terramycin and put Apistan strips in. During that exam I found sealed drone and worker brood, but I couldn't find eggs. I thought I might have a virgin queen from a supersedure. So I went out today to check again for eggs and larvae and found at least 1 frame of brood in all stages, so I applied a second dusting. The lower chamber is not real crowded maybe the equivalent of 3 frames of bees and the upper chamber which is still atleast half filled with honey has more bees in it appx. 4 to 5 frames of bees. (This is the best guess I can give) Sorry the background is so long. Here are my questions. 1. Does this sound like a fairly strong hive or weak? 2. How does one go about assessing strength? 3. Should I be seeing more brood or better yet how much brood should you see in a strong and/or weak hive? I appreciate any advice you might be able to give. Your friend in Beekeeping Chris From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drones already appearing in my hives (Michigan) Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.110 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 923600802 209.69.69.110 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:46:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:46:42 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:49:29 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16399 Hello all! I was just inspecting my hives this morning, and they are bustin out at the seams! Not only do I have drone brood in all 4 hives, but in one has already have hatched drones present! This is the earliest I have ever seen drones in my hives! I do have lots of pollen in the bodies, and the bees have just begun to gather new pollen. Pussy willows are just bustin out, and the daffodils are in bloom. No dandelions in sight. I am worried that this means a really bad swarming year..... One hive is building cups on the bottom bars... Any comments from the experts? Please? From john@jegsav.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 9 16:55:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!jegsav.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "John Savage" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:58:26 +0100 Message-ID: <923605035.29690.0.nnrp-12.d4e523cc@news.demon.co.uk> References: <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones> NNTP-Posting-Host: jegsav.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: jegsav.demon.co.uk:212.229.35.204 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 923605035 nnrp-12:29690 NO-IDENT jegsav.demon.co.uk:212.229.35.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16400 Guessing, but: 1 bee weighs about 1/10 gram. Let's say it can carry 1/5th its own weight and makes 10 foraging trips a day - that's 2/10g nectar per bee per day. This needs to be condensed by a factor of about 5 to make honey, so only 4/100g honey per bee per day. Not much is it?! But in a hive with, say, 20,000 foraging bees that's 800g per day. It sounds about right because a hive can produce around 80kg in 100 days (very round figures) during the best part of the Summer. That's teamwork! John Galbraith wrote in message <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones>... >My 6 year old son recently asked me "how much honey can a good bee make in a >day"! Any ideas for an answer? > > From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <370D32B9.4A591E39@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maroon Queens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:50:33 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.70.39 X-Trace: news1.atl 923611574 209.214.70.39 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:46:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:46:14 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16401 I heard there was a company, I believe in Southern California, selling Queens with a recessive trait--they were maroon and yellow where other honeybees are black and yellow. I heard that they were artificially inseminated and produce maroon brood. And if the hive replaces the queen, the new queen genetically cannot produce the maroon recessive trait. I cannot find the producer of these. Does anyone on the list have any idea who this company is? Thanks, David Lynes Woodstock, GA From hensler@povn.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can sertian plant give honey a off or bitter taste Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:50:20 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 32 Message-ID: <370D32AC.646F@povn.com> References: Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp243.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16402 Robert Malley wrote: > > I know sertain flower or plants can make honey havea different flavor. > My question is can some plants make honey taste bad? I was told that Privit > hedge made it taste bitter. Yo Robert: The more I ponder this question, even though I know nothing about privit, I do seem to recall something along this line discussed recently on this very group. If my aging gray matter doesn't fail me, I seem to recollect an AL something-or-other who produced one whole frame of the most foul-smelling, evil-tasting toxic waste known to modern science. Then, to add insult to injury, he attempted to get rid of it by mailing sample jars anonymously to everybody on his Christmas card list, plus a few to people he didn't even know. Perhaps this beekeeping person of great experience in the bad tasting honey area might be coherced into sharing his vast knowledge of the subject with us? Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From mully01@my-dejanews.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: mully01@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: eliminating carpenter bees Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 19:09:55 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7eiutl$s83$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.65.220.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 08 19:09:55 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.65.220.169 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16403 I have carpenter bees eating my house in 4 places. they were not much trouble several years ago, just left them alone. the colony is spreading and getting very aggressive and eating more of the house. help?????????? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From pollinator@aol.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: eliminating carpenter bees Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Apr 1999 23:27:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7eiutl$s83$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990408192721.28890.00000363@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16404 From: mully01@my-dejanews.com >I have carpenter bees eating my house in 4 places. they were not much >trouble >several years ago, just left them alone. the colony is spreading and getting >very aggressive and eating more of the house. help?????????? If you don't disturb them, they will use the same holes, and the damage is only cosmetic. They prefer unpainted softwood, so paint the areas where you don't want them, and provide unpainted areas for them to use. They are valuable pollinators, part of the mix of pollination in general, and pollinator populations are declining. Please don't hurt them; these gentle giants of the bee world are very easy to hurt, but do so much good, they sure don't deserve it. We have a couple hundred every year in our big old wooden warehouse. They do minimal damage, and they are always welcome. The drones provide a lot of entertainment for us as well, chasing birds and pebbles that we throw. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:00:20 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 8 Message-ID: <370D18E4.7B43@mindspring.com> References: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990406140533.18165.00002931@ng-fs1.aol.com> <370CA0EE.59404A46@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.a3.8e Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 9 Apr 1999 01:57:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16405 Hello, You are not that new at beekeeping - I have no hives or equipment yet, so I guess that makes you an old hand. P-) Yours, David Smith From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeBee tree seeds...for a donation. Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 02:33:31 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <19077-36F99799-27@newsd-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.115 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:13:41 GMT X-Trace: 923624021.063.18 KRFRRPH9I1C73CF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16406 Hi, Sounds interesting, but will it grow in the Pacific Northwest ? Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 3/24/99 5:55PM, in message <19077-36F99799-27@newsd-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Cherish Tietsworth wrote: Montgomery County Beekeepers Association (MCBA) in Pennsylvaina is selling BeeBee Tree (Evodia danielli) seeds to help fund the Langstroth Bench Project. A commerative bench was dedicated to the Father of Modern Beekeeping- Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth in 1951 but has since deteriated to the point of needing to be replaced. The Langstroth Bench is located in the Bee gardens at Morris Arboretum, Chestnut Hill, Philadelphia PA. MCBA had taken on the task of replacing the original bench. Anyone can order BeeBee tree seeds for a donation. Please send a SELF addressed STAMPED envelope with a DONATION to: JOSEPH DUFFY SR. 309 CLIVEDEN AVENUE GLENSIDE, PA 19038-3509. Make Checks payable to "Langstroth Bench Project, MCBA" The BeeBee tree is an excellent tree for nectar in July and August when little else is blooming. The honeybees will actually cluster on the flowers. Adult trees can grow 25' to 30' in height. Thank you for helping! From wombatius@earthlink.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.idt.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Erik Peterson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information? Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:46:51 -0700 X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 8 19:26:26 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: pool027-max7.ds17-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-ELN-Date: 9 Apr 1999 01:45:59 GMT Message-ID: <7ejm4n$pnu$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16407 Hello, A tree in my front yard has two large "bunches" (for lack of a better word) of bees in it. They are clumped together and they seem quite calm. I would be interested in harnessing the honey-pumping power of these little dynamos, but I am not sure where to start. I was wondering if there is someone perhaps local to me that I could either call on the phone or get in e-mail contact with in regards to capturing and keeping these bees. Or, is there any sort of Bee Club or anything in the Los Angeles Area, preferably in the San Fernando Valley, whom I could contact? Thank you very much. - Steve Peterson PS - Could you please respond by e-mail? my address is: wombatius@earthlink.net , thank you. From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <370D0A56.5D5B811B@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Conglomo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Black bees again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:58:16 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 923600833 24.92.236.85 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:47:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:47:13 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16408 A recent post mentioned black bees, I believe with reference to the native English bee. Does it in fact still exist, in some "pure" form, in certain pockets of the UK? On a related topic, has it ever been determined whether or not the Isle of White disease (that hit England early in the century) was actually acarine infestation? tnx, JWG From lithar@midwest.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can sertian plant give honey a off or bitter taste Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:41:57 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 102 Message-ID: <370D68F5.2C85@midwest.net> References: <370D32AC.646F@povn.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.21 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:46:50 GMT X-Trace: 923626010.989.27 JF3D7GB4M1C15D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16409 Robert Malley wrote: > > > > I know sertain flower or plants can make honey havea different flavor. > > My question is can some plants make honey taste bad? I was told that Privit > > hedge made it taste bitter. J. F Hensler wrote: > > Yo Robert: > > The more I ponder this question, even though I know nothing about > privit, I do seem to recall something along this line discussed recently > on this very group. > > If my aging gray matter doesn't fail me, I seem to recollect an AL > something-or-other who produced one whole frame of the most > foul-smelling, evil-tasting toxic waste known to modern science. Then, > to add insult to injury, he attempted to get rid of it by mailing sample > jars anonymously to everybody on his Christmas card list, plus a few to > people he didn't even know. > > Perhaps this beekeeping person of great experience in the bad tasting > honey area might be coherced into sharing his vast knowledge of the > subject with us? > > Skip Aw man, I can't *believe* you did that! Yeah, I can speak from personal experience on the subject of nasty honey. As to the source, I'm still in the dark and had the highly revered Andy N. not lost his battle, I might have received some enlightenment on the subject. To the family and friends of Andy N. who have been wondering what those 2 oz of strange smelling stuff is - now ya know. Last fall my bees produced a deep super absolutely full of beautiful, thick, golden, and unfortunately inedible honey. My efforts at extraction via the drip method failed due to it's stubborn viscosity. After four days of stinking up the kitchen and only getting 3 drips in the pan, I was forced to scrape the comb from the foundation and squeeze it through nylon stockings. One frame produced a little over 1 qt of the stinky stuff. I left the remaining 9 frames on the hive for winter food and you should see the bees now!!! It is April, the food supply is only 1/2 depleted, and the bee population is incredible! True, I did send samples to the four corners of the earth in an effort resolve the dilemma *and* to get rid of the stuff. I won't name one of the recipients who lives in Alberta Canada, but his reaction was: "Got the sample and my first reaction was: "Is this stuff toxic?" Rubber, plasticene, plastics all came to mind. All with a tiny touch of licorice. Really, I don't know." I took a jar of the stuff to a local beekeeper's meeting - no one there had a clue what the nectar source could be. I sent a sample to a fellow near Spokane, WA - fortunately his lovely wife was coherent enough to offer some constructive suggestions. So far the revelant ideas are: Tansy - an herb that grows in this area in small patches Mint - another plant that grows here but not in great abundance This is an area that has a lot of corn, wheat, soybeans, milo and small livestock farms - there is no industry to speak of. I am always open to suggestions, ideas, sympathy. I have a few ounces of the precious nectar that I'd be willing to share with some brave soul - its not something I would recommend actually eating. Ok Skip, are ya happy now? AL From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,alt.walter-cronkite.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 02:33:40 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <7cqqam$qv6$1@newnews.global.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.115 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:13:49 GMT X-Trace: 923624029.873.9 KRFRRPH9I1C73CF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:89 alt.walter-cronkite.beekeeping:28 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16410 Hi, There's a LOT to bee keeping . And, a LOT of ways to go wrong . Buy books, before you buy bees . Damn sure, you'll buy them after ! Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 3/20/99 5:58AM, in message , Philip Hempel wrote: In article <7cqqam$qv6$1@newnews.global.net.uk>, rstewart@globalnet.co.uk says... > Can anyone suggest what the best way to get started is? > I live North East Scotland, where can I find out about suppliers, > books web sites etc. > > Any help very welcome.. > > Rex > > > Check out the online webstore at www.blossomland.com. Request digital catalog and beginners booklet by email beeyard@blossomland.com! Over 1000 items to review and order plus special savings in the e-catalog! Call 800-637-5262 M-F 10-4 EST for the same requests if you like. Phil Hempel From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.winstar.net!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,alt.walter-cronkite.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 02:33:54 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <7cqqam$qv6$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <7d5kdk$k4i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.115 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:14:03 GMT X-Trace: 923624043.909.66 KRFRRPH9I1C73CF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:90 alt.walter-cronkite.beekeeping:29 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16411 Hi, P.S. In cold northern climates, it's even harder to keep bees . Read up carefully on what they need to over-winter . It is VERY different from what those Virginia/Georgia folks can get by with . Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 3/22/99 6:34AM, in message <7d5kdk$k4i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Allen Dick wrote: > > Can anyone suggest what the best way to get started is? > > I live North East Scotland, where can I find out about suppliers, > > books web sites etc. The answer to this perennial question is to find some local beekeepers, befriend them, and ask them to help you to get set up. If you make a point to meet several, you will find one whom you like best, and who appreciates your interest. A good place to start is you local government agriculture office, and you phone book or the store shelf in your local store: honey section. A commercial beekeeper will not always be the best choice, but will likely know everyone around and guide you to someone suitable. If you have time to spare, working for a commercial operator can work, but many are pretty busy and less interested in the romantic aspect and chatting than getting the job done. There are some notable exceptions to this rule, however :) I know there are some big bee outfits in Scotland. Murray McGregor is one owner I know. I'll email you his address privately. Allen -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From beetools@aol.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insurance? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Apr 1999 15:17:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ekpo9$3j3$1@malgudi.oar.net> Message-ID: <19990409111756.27144.00000274@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16412 For the full scoop, check out http://members.aol.com/beetools/insure.htm Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From nunyara@zeta.org.au Fri Apr 9 16:55:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeed.zip.com.au!zeta.org.au!news.zeta.org.au!not-for-mail From: "Nunyara" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: repeat request-extract & exhibit Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:12:47 +1000 Organization: Zeta Internet, http://www.zeta.org.au/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7ecc6f$sau$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: d219.syd2.zeta.org.au X-Trace: phaedrus.zeta.org.au 923382799 29022 203.26.9.91 (6 Apr 1999 07:13:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@zeta.org.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 1999 07:13:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16413 No replies as yet to my questions of 27/3/99. Repeated below: Q1. Anyone got plans or proven ideas for a cheap, home made 1 or 2 frame extractor? Hand operated is fine. Q2. When I finish building my 2 frame exhibition hive, what and when would be the best way to split one of my existing 2 hives to start an exhibition colony (each has a brood and 1 super) ? Supers are now full of capped honey and queen is strong. March in Australia is early autumn. Swami. From maaijen@xs4all.nl Fri Apr 9 16:55:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Abe Maaijen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: repeat request-extract & exhibit Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:28:51 +0200 Organization: Aannemersbedrijf Abe Maaijen Message-ID: <370B79B2.594DD61C@xs4all.nl> References: <7ecc6f$sau$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-isdn2280.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-isdn2280.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.156.232] X-XS4ALL-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:26:59 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16414 Have a look on mine honey page http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/honeybee.html You will find a drawing *.pdf format of a home build extractor. Abe Maaijen E-mail maaijen@xs4all.nl Beijerscheweg 73 Homepage http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/ 2821 NE Stolwijk The Netherlands From hhf34@aol.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is the best bee suit for AHB ??? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Apr 1999 22:33:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990331183135.08310.00000317@ng-fx1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990407183339.13109.00005670@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16415 Great reply! I have also seen reports of the short sleeves in action while working AHB... Though, the individuals who usually do this are individuals who are larger commercial honey producers or spent time operating at that level. I am still amazed at how people will throw on their Sunday best holy veil and go out and work the bees... Best possible locations to find the bee suit which was asked about in the original post would be to check with Dadants, if they do not have them anymore, they might know where to send you if you ask really nice Hope this helps ya out! TTYL Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! From Cliff@cherry75.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 9 16:55:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Cliff Stanton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wild bees in my lawn - dangerous? Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:24:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7eleao$ip3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-70.euthyrox.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 923679896 19235 62.136.66.70 (9 Apr 1999 17:44:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 1999 17:44:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16416 Dear all I live in the UK and last year I found a few Bee size mole hills in my garden border. I saw wild bees coming out (about 1/2" long with an orange furry back) this year I have noticed that they have spread into the lawn and I am worried that when I mow the lawn they will get irritated. Is there much danger of this happening? can I get rid of them if there is? how? Many thanks. Cliff From pollinator@aol.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild bees in my lawn - dangerous? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Apr 1999 20:28:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7eleao$ip3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990409162827.28894.00001023@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16417 From: "Cliff Stanton" >I live in the UK and last year I found a few Bee size mole hills in my >garden border. I saw wild bees coming out (about 1/2" long with an orange >furry back) this year I have noticed that they have spread into the lawn and >I am worried that when I mow the lawn they will get irritated. Is there much >danger of this happening? can I get rid of them if there is? how? They are called digger bees, and there are many species. They are extraordinarily gentle and are valuable pollinators. Do what you can to preserve them. In southern US cotton spraying and fire ants have made them rare. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is CheckMite+registered for Mass.? Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:18:53 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services, Inc Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7eljo5$1i9a$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb111-41.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 923685445 1408643 209.156.37.202 (9 Apr 1999 19:17:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 1999 19:17:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16418 Is CheckMite+ registered for use in Massachusetts? Thanks. Zadig From honeybs@radix.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:46:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7elps9$9pa$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones> NNTP-Posting-Host: port12.annex2.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16419 "Anglin" wrote: >I read somewhere that one bee makes about one teaspoon of honey in her >lifetime- I'm not sure how accurate that is tho.... >Ellen >John Galbraith wrote in message >news:_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones... >> My 6 year old son recently asked me "how much honey can a good bee make in >a >> day"! Any ideas for an answer? >> >> Right and the average bee only forages for two weeks so she collects 1/14 of a teaspoon per day. I would guess that that would be under the most optimum of conditions. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 11 23:20:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild bees in my lawn - dangerous? Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:59:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7elppa$sbn$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7eleao$ip3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-4.armour.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 923691626 29047 62.136.154.4 (9 Apr 1999 21:00:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 1999 21:00:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16420 These are solitary bees i.e. they do not live in a colony and co-operate with each other, although there may be large number living in the same area because the soil is suitable (usually sandy and free draining). They are not dangerous as their stings are unable to penetrate human flesh. They will lay eggs in the tunnels which they have excavated (hence the mole hills) and provision them with pollen - then disappear. Next year the new bees will emerge and the whole thing starts again! Leave them alone to complete their reproductive cycle (only a few weeks) and then try not to disturb the ground too much - they nest in a small area of my lawn so I can leave it uncut until the have finished. They are fascinating to watch and do a great deal of good work pollinating early flowering crops - especially plums. You should count yourself as fortunate to have these in your garden. Cliff Stanton wrote in message <7eleao$ip3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Dear all >I live in the UK and last year I found a few Bee size mole hills in my >garden border. I saw wild bees coming out (about 1/2" long with an orange >furry back) this year I have noticed that they have spread into the lawn and >I am worried that when I mow the lawn they will get irritated. Is there much >danger of this happening? can I get rid of them if there is? how? >Many thanks. >Cliff > > From honeybs@radix.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.97.14.174!europa.clark.net!205.197.251.110!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a few problems Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:50:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7elq49$9pa$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7ejbge$3e6$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port12.annex2.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16421 "R & S Adams" wrote: >I have acquired several hives that have been neglected and have a few >questions. First most of the hives have had 3 to 5 brood boxes on all >winter and I want to go to a one box system and requeen them all except that >I can't always find the queen. Also some brood patterns are ok and I have >decided to put them in some nucs that I will build. What do I do if I can't >find the queen? I will split some hives because they are way too big. >Another problem is that a few of them seem to have alot of drones and I mean >alot, although I have seen a queen and other worker bees. Could the queen >that I saw be a laying worker (I never seen one before)? Also there is a >super on one and now ther is brood in it and I don"t want to destroy it but >I want to get that super off and clean it up for the flow. One more thing, >ther is alot of honey stores that have had apistan in until a few days ago, >I plan to use some in the splits, do I just take it off and save it until >after the honey flow this year and then give it back to them? Have I >missed anything?? HaHa what a trip. Thanks in advance R.P. Adams Just split the hive up into several hives with a bottom and a top. Go back an hour or two later. and open the top of each one. The queen is in the quiet hive! Works every time. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maroon Queens Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:39:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7elpg2$9pa$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <370D32B9.4A591E39@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port12.annex2.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16422 David Lynes wrote: >I heard there was a company, I believe in Southern California, selling >Queens with a recessive trait--they were maroon and yellow where other >honeybees are black and yellow. I heard that they were artificially >inseminated and produce maroon brood. And if the hive replaces the >queen, the new queen genetically cannot produce the maroon recessive >trait. >I cannot find the producer of these. Does anyone on the list have any >idea who this company is? >Thanks, >David Lynes >Woodstock, GA It sounds like a cardivan carniolan strain. They appear purple in color. The only ones that I have ever seen were at Ohio State University. Sue Cobey keeps a few hives of them around. Perhaps you could check with her. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From fallon@hotmail.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!news2.kosone.com!abc-ri3.northcom.net From: fallon@hotmail.com (Martin Fallon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Miller-type feeder -- why can't the bees find it? Message-ID: <370e9487.1187766@news.northcom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Organization: Kingston Online Services Lines: 8 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:03:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.246.3.130 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 923702261 199.246.3.130 (Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:57:41 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:57:41 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16423 I placed a miller-type feeder ontop of the hive for my bees. Alas, after a week they still have nto discovered it. Does this usually take a while? Has it been to cold for them to break cluster -- the days have been warm and they are out on flights. How long should this take? Hope someone can help, Martin From adameden@ipa.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: italian/queen/recommendations Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:46:01 -0500 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7elsds$sir$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-238.jopl.ipa.net X-Trace: news.ipa.net 923694332 29275 208.149.43.238 (9 Apr 1999 21:45:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipa.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 1999 21:45:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16424 I need to purchase about 10 italian queens. Anyone have any apiary that you would recommend? I would like to get them pretty soon. I live in southwest Missouri. Any info would be appreciated. R.P. Adams From cpullman@ckt.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.111.230.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <370E87DB.D6FC2BD8@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colony Strength and health References: <7P7P2.1741$ai2.72013@news20.ispnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 49 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:06:03 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.253.50.127 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 923699068 206.253.50.127 (Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:04:28 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:04:28 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16425 chris heffner wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have been reading these posts for awhile. I would like to ask a question. > > I am a second year beekeeper from Central Pennsylvania with one hive of > Carniolan's. > > I started this hive from a 4 frame nuc last May. The colony did fairly well > last year as far as buildup was concerned. They were not able to draw out a > super for me though. I wintered them in two deeps and they had a full deep > and a half of honey. > > For the last two weeks our has been in the 60's to 70's everyday. April 3rd > I dusted with Terramycin and put Apistan strips in. During that exam I found > sealed drone and worker brood, but I couldn't find eggs. I thought I might > have a virgin queen from a supersedure. So I went out today to check again > for eggs and larvae and found at least 1 frame of brood in all stages, so I > applied a second dusting. > The lower chamber is not real crowded maybe the equivalent of 3 frames of > bees and the upper chamber which is still atleast half filled with honey has > more bees in it appx. 4 to 5 frames of bees. (This is the best guess I can > give) > > Sorry the background is so long. > > Here are my questions. > 1. Does this sound like a fairly strong hive or weak? > 2. How does one go about assessing strength? > 3. Should I be seeing more brood or better yet how much brood should you see > in a strong and/or weak hive? > I appreciate any advice you might be able to give. > > Your friend in Beekeeping > Chris Its sounds to me your bees are doing well. A strong hive can have a population of 35,000 to 60,000 bees. The reason your bees had brood in the upper hive body was probably do to the weather. Bees cluster in the upper hive body during winter, but the queen also starts laying in the winter(late winter, if they have enough honey and pollen.) Usually a strong hive can have ten or more full frames of brood. Remenber brood must be taken care by worker bees, so that would be a lot of bees during the honey flow. I f you have two full deep supers of bees I call that a good hive. Your bees seemed to build up good. Take care, Craig From pp@student.uq.edu.au Sun Apr 11 23:20:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.97.14.174!europa.clark.net!128.32.206.55!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail From: "PP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning up old WoodWare Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:46:30 +1000 Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 79 Message-ID: <7embov$p6g$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au> References: <3709238a.0@news.dock.net> <01be7fc5$f9748340$4680430c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: s307139.student.uq.edu.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16426 The correct diagnosis of your problem is really your goal. From there you can have a look at what is feasilble for your situation. I could be as simple as your old friendly beekeeper being sick of the bees and dropping 500ml of unleaded fuel down the gullet. Work from the easiest stuff first. I would agree, that it is highly recommended (if you want to keep these old boxes) that you get you local apiary officer or someone else as equally knowledgeable in your area to come and have a look BEFORE you install your new population. These people should be able to assist in identifying what you are dealing with. It is going to be very difficult if you don't have samples of the brood to have a look at and test. Personnally, if it is anything else apart from the fuel, I'd burn the lot. It really isn't worth the risk to your own dabbling in beekeeping or to any other apiarists in your area (They'll get really shitty should you inadvertantly infect their hives). I'm currently an amature beekeeper in Australia and have a great publication that our Department of Primary Industries published. One of the sections addresses varying diseases etc On AFB - if you have it, do all you can to get rid of it. We have 4 methods of treatment available - Scorching every surface until all of the paint comes of, Boiling the lot in a 1 - 2% solution of caustic soda until all of the wax and propolis comes off, Dipping the lot in wax (the wax will need to be between 140 - 200 degrees celcius (284 - 392 F) for somewhere between 8 - 10 minutes(microcrystalline wax is the most commonly used) or sterilising the lot by ionising radiation. As you can see, it is all very expensive and the cheaper ones aren't at all reliable. Burn the lot if it is AFB. If it is something else there are solutions, but you really need a diagnosis before you can go in a particular direction. On the boiling for solving AFB. DON'T DO IT!!!! Our DPI have done extensive testing and I have had the opportunity to talk with the people themselves. It just doesn't work. Yes, the AFB spores last for many many years, and they can resist boiling and dehydration. AFB isn't a simple problem. The moth damage isn't a problem. When you install the new foundation with the fresh bees, the bees will take care of them. Anyway, buy some books, join a club and take a course and you will find yourself having a great time. Paul Prieditis s307139@student.uq.edu.au Gary M. Butcher wrote in message <01be7fc5$f9748340$4680430c@default>... > > >John Curtis wrote in article ><3709238a.0@news.dock.net>... > >> How can I clean or fumigate the equipment so I don't kill of my new >package >> bees? Do I need to order some chemicals? If so, what type? >> > >If you do not know what killed the bees, you may want to have a county bee >inspector (at least in Ohio) examine the hive to determine the cause of >death. If it turns out to be American Foulbrood, the recommended method is >to destroy the hive. I have also been told that placing the hive bodies >and frames (without wax/honey) in boiling lye water will work. > >American Foulbrood is caused by a spore forming bacteria. Only the spore >stage is infectious to honey bees. The problem is that the spores will >last 30 to 50 ?? years. > >Personally, I would clean the hive parts with boiling lye water to be on >the safe side. I would also rinse the hive parts with water after the dip. > >Mike From rsnbrock@erols.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: "Eduardo Rosenbrock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: please help on honey Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:34:29 -0400 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7emds1$qn$1@autumn.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: mnDMCRIIQCZj8PHmq68eQiXUiYUBx7j+ZhwOIO9SVPU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 1999 02:43:13 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16427 Hi all, I am making a market research on honey and I appreciate your help in answering some simple questions: 1- Are the American people really honey consumer? 2- Do they prefer syrup instead of honey? 3- Is honey more expensive ( at supermarkets ) that syrup and other sweeteners ? 4- Is it true that honey consumers are mainly educated and that honey use increases with household income? 5- What is the most popular type of honey? liquid, cream, comb?? 6- Is there any racial preference for honey? ( Latinos, whites, African American ) Thank you in advance for your answers. Ed Rosenbrock From chucklaser@aol.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can sertian plant give honey a off or bitter taste Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Apr 1999 03:41:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <370D68F5.2C85@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19990409234111.00351.00000969@ng113.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16428 On our orchard\farm we have had delicious mint honey once, nice clover honey in the spring, strange tasting fermented? apple honey in the fall. You can get most anything if the climate promotes a certain plant one year over others, or the farmer next to you plants his fields with something odd. Chuck From dandy@saltspring.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <370EC74E.6A2AE76D@saltspring.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:36:46 -0700 From: Don Organization: none whatsoever X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old honey, another question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.73 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.73 X-Trace: 9 Apr 1999 20:34:19 -0800, 204.244.138.73 Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.enteract.com!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.73 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16429 Here's another question or two regarding feeding with old honey. Recently acquired two 40-50 lb. buckets of honey that have been stored for 15 years or more. Can anyone enlighten me on what degradation processes take place in honey when stored for an extended period? Don't know the particulars of storage temperature or conditions. Will the honey have fermented? Can this honey be consumed by people? By bees? TIA, Don From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Sun Apr 11 23:20:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old honey, another question Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:47:45 GMT Organization: What me? Organised? Message-ID: <370f19d1.645046@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <370EC74E.6A2AE76D@saltspring.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-49.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 10 Apr 1999 10:50:12 +0100, ppp47-49.dial.nildram.co.uk Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-49.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16430 On Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:36:46 -0700, Don wrote: >Here's another question or two regarding feeding with old honey. > >Recently acquired two 40-50 lb. buckets of honey that have been stored >for 15 years or more. Can anyone enlighten me on what degradation >processes take place in honey when stored for an extended period? Don't >know the particulars of storage temperature or conditions. Will the >honey have fermented? Can this honey be consumed by people? By bees? > >TIA, Don Some honey was found in an Egyptian pyramid, and it was said to be still edible... -- jaf@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Terminus history and discography. Beekeeping and Stuff. Ceci n'est pas une pipe. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Apr 11 23:20:23 EDT 1999 Article: 16431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Miller-type feeder -- why can't the bees find it? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Apr 1999 12:46:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <370e9487.1187766@news.northcom.net> Message-ID: <19990410084605.17138.00000994@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16431 Take the syrup out and warm it to about 95-100 degrees and put it back dribble a spoonfull down the path the bees take to the feeder and then see if they find it. I have a couple colonies that never take feed no matter how it was presented but they had plenty of their own. I guess they will build up on the early flow instead of making surplus from it. It seems that everything I understand about bee's is only true 90% of the time. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From gwoods@albany.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning up old WoodWare Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:49:17 GMT Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3711547f.43949167@news.monmouth.com> References: <3709238a.0@news.dock.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7p19.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16432 "John Curtis" wrote: >How can I clean or fumigate the equipment so I don't kill of my new package >bees? Do I need to order some chemicals? If so, what type? I was once given a bunch of old wood bodies and frames of suspicious origin. Built a fire under an old 55-gallon drum, and boiled water with a few pounds of lye in it, and boiled everything for a few minutes. Haven't had disease problems, and the boiling lye does a nice job of removing old wax and propolis. Depending on how hard you want to work, you may better off to buy new frames, since you won't be re-using old comb (I hope!). I've been away from this for a few years; sold a dozen hives (with rights to the location) to somebody who abandoned them. After being all dead for a couple of seasons, a wild swarm moved into one and made it through the winter. Time to give them some help and see what happens. -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B From helmick@webtv.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.111.230.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Nice to Mother Nature Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 34 Message-ID: <25161-370F6D3E-23@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7eleao$ip3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAgYIwzEA1PPx6roIHJc8/oahmtV4CFQCg3SC2zFgnA6LaMTk7y7nlZ3D7ew== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16433 When I started gardenting a few year's ago I read somewhere that if you left things to nature, nature would take care of itself or something to that effect. I've found that to be true to the most part. When you have garden pests such as aphids, beneficial insects will appear because the bad guys are lunch. Lady bugs, Praying Mantis and various toads have appeared from nowhere. (I'm having second thoughts about the desirability of Praying Mantis since I've seen them sitting on the sides of my hives waiting for lunch!) When I'm pulling weeds in my herb bed, I'm often visited by a few very large, noisy bees. I just assumed they were bumble bees though they usually are mostly black. They are never threatening and I leave them and their holes in my garden alone. I find their sound rather soothing. We work very well together. Something I did notice in the few years without honeybees is that the number of wasps, hornets, and yellow jackets seemed to increase, or is that my imagination? In closing, I do have a suggestion for ridding your flower beds and gardens of at least a few of the very worst enemies IMO, slugs (here in WV, slugs are up to about 3" long, but I've heard tales of the ones in WA that give me nightmares), Japanese beatles, and flies without a lot of toxic junk. It takes work but the results are well worth it. I use a coffee can with a hole about the size of a quarter cut into the top of the plastic lid. Originally I was just trying to get rid of slugs that were ruining my plants, but it's worked wonders in practically ridding my yard of flies. I put salt water in the can and early each day I hand pick grubs (from under wood slabs I've spaced throughout my garden) and beatles from my roses, etc. and drop through the hole. They can't get out and the smell after siting in the hot sun for a few days is breathtaking to say the least (you will want to keep it downwind!) Flies, on the other hand, think the smell is wonderful!!. You can buy fly traps that work on the same "smell" principle, but this is free. Now if I could get my neighbors to quit using insecticides........ From John@briar.idps.co.uk Sun Apr 11 23:20:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!landlord!stones.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "John Galbraith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question from a 6 year old X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:01:09 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.118.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: stones 923573178 212.56.118.55 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:06:18 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:06:18 BST Lines: 4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16434 My 6 year old son recently asked me "how much honey can a good bee make in a day"! Any ideas for an answer? From bill_daniels@bellsouth.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news3.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <370CA0EE.59404A46@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? References: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990406140533.18165.00002931@ng-fs1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 59 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:28:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-198-55.mem.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:28:09 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16435 I'm new at beekeeping (OK, very new - I have built my first two hives and pick up the bees next week). Are you saying that you do no treatments for tracheal mites? Nothing? Not even grease patties? Is this common? Can I expect my bees to make it if I don't treat the tracheal mites? I will be a small hobbyist but I have hopes to expand some day so I want to do things right. It will be very easy for me to over pamper my two hives and do things that are not economically feasible for someone trying to make a living with bees but I really think I would like to manage the hives in a manner that is fairly close to the management practices that I might use if I had a bunch of hives (OK, I know I'm going to peek more often than a "real" beekeeper! At least at first!). I have to admit that I had planned on providing every mainstream treatment that I've read about. And probably some that aren't so mainstream. Thanks for sharing your experience with us in the newsgroup. Bill Daniels Pollinator wrote: > From: "Freeserve News" > > >I HAD FIVE HIVES OF BEES WHICH LIVED THROUGH THE WINTER AND HAD PLENTY HONEY > >BUT NO POLLEN. FIRST SUNNY WARM DAY TWO OF THE HIVES THE BEES CLUSTERED ON > >THE LANDING BOARDS AND KEPT COMING OUT FORMING A HEAP ALMOST TO THE GROUND, > >THEY FELL ONTO THE GROUND AND CRAWLED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND GOT LOST. WOULD > >VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS. > > Please don't shout. (capital letters) > > I would suspect tracheal mites first. More and more, our bees are resistant to > tracheal mites. Did you purchase bees from a breeder who treats for tracheal > mites (thereby not developing a resistant strain)? If you do, you are > compelled to continue treating. > > Are you in an area with poor fall pollen, or were the bees poor gatherers? > The latter would again be a tracheal mite indicator. > > There are other possibilities, but we saw thousands of hives do just this, > during the heyday of the tracheal mite era....... > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu Sun Apr 11 23:20:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!leto.backbone.ou.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!altenbur From: altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is the best bee suit for AHB ??? Date: 8 Apr 1999 16:18:51 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7eiktb$2ru$1@node2.nodak.edu> References: <19990331183135.08310.00000317@ng-fx1.aol.com> <19990407183339.13109.00005670@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: node2.nodak.edu 923588331 2942 134.129.111.64 (8 Apr 1999 16:18:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@nodak.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 1999 16:18:51 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16436 I've been working with yellowjackets that are arguably as aggressive as AHBs. I use a the Honey Maker suit from Mann Lake Ltd, baseball cap, boots, and a pair of long-sleeved gloves (also available from Mann Lake). Check out: http://www.mannlakeltd.com/ -- Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University Fargo, ND 58105 http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~altenbur All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE From anglin@mi.verio.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones> Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.110 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 923600902 209.69.69.110 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:48:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:48:22 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:51:09 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16437 I read somewhere that one bee makes about one teaspoon of honey in her lifetime- I'm not sure how accurate that is tho.... Ellen John Galbraith wrote in message news:_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones... > My 6 year old son recently asked me "how much honey can a good bee make in a > day"! Any ideas for an answer? > > From lithar@midwest.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen substitute Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:23:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <370FCF51.15D8@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.49 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:28:17 GMT X-Trace: 923783297.545.44 JF3D7GB4M1C31D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16438 I'm interested in opinions regarding the use of yeast in pattie mixtures fed to newly installed colonies. A recipe I have in hand calls for brewer's yeast, which I'm unable to find in bulk. Baker's yeast is more available so I'm considering a substitition. Since I plan to feed only one pattie to get the new bees settled in, I can't imagine the yeast variety making that much difference. Am I missing something here? AL From sorry@no.spam Sun Apr 11 23:20:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rodney Isom" Subject: Finding local beekeepers Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:36:27 -0500 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.97.14.174!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news.megsinet.net!news2.megsinet.net!news.winstar.net!news.good.net!news.hiwaay.net NNTP-Posting-Host: max16-208-147-153-79.dialup.HiWAAY.net 208.147.153.79 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16439 Hi Guys (and ladies), I'm thinking of getting involved in beekeeping but before I do, I would like to look over the shoulder of an experienced beekeeper for maybe a season or so. I think this will help me decide if it's really something I'll enjoy or not & maybe let me get some hands-on experience with bees before I have to do it on my own. What is the best way to find active beekeepers in my area? I have recently moved & don't know a lot of people in my community yet, so I wouldn't know where to start looking. I've heard that beekeepers are supposed to have their hives inspected, so is there some kind of directory & if so, where could I find it? Thanks for the help, Rodney -------------------------- Rodney Isom Arab, AL **Please post replies to group** From petera@reigate.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 11 23:20:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!reigate.demon.co.uk!petera From: Peter Ashley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Miller-type feeder -- why can't the bees find it? Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:57:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <370e9487.1187766@news.northcom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 923785798 nnrp-09:24062 NO-IDENT reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <3dng7$sfZ7uO8Kaf+k8pZR7a1u> Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16440 In article <370e9487.1187766@news.northcom.net>, Martin Fallon writes >I placed a miller-type feeder ontop of the hive for my bees. Alas, >after a week they still have nto discovered it. Does this usually >take a while? Has it been to cold for them to break cluster -- the >days have been warm and they are out on flights. How long should this >take? > >Hope someone can help, >Martin Martin When you put the Sugar Syrup into your Miller Feeder it sometimes helps to allow some syrup dribble down through your Supers and Brood chamber so that the Bees will sense it and find the source. Pete -- Peter Ashley From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Apr 11 23:20:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Apr 1999 01:34:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7elps9$9pa$3@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990410213415.28210.00001168@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16441 Ask that six yr old how long it will take for a cricket with a wooden leg to kick all the seeds from a dill pickle. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From BeeFarmer100@email.msn.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Darrell Laney" References: Subject: Re: Finding local beekeepers Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:37:57 -0500 Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust53.tnt1.gadsden.al.da.uu.net [63.10.88.53] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16442 Rodney Isom wrote in message I'm thinking of getting involved in beekeeping but before I do, I would like > to look over the shoulder of an experienced beekeeper for maybe a season or > so. What is the best way to find active beekeepers in my area? > I have recently moved & don't know a lot of people in my community yet, so I > wouldn't know where to start looking. I've heard that beekeepers are > supposed to have their hives inspected, so is there some kind of directory & > if so, where could I find it? > > Thanks for the help, > > Rodney > > -------------------------- > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL Rodney, I live in Anniston AL, and would love to introduce you to the Northeaster AL. beekeeping gang. There are beekeeper assocations in Anniston, Birmingham and Gadsden. Call me at 256-236-7926 and I will give you the details. From amschelp@pe.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:53:24 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <7elps9$9pa$3@news1.Radix.Net> <19990410213415.28210.00001168@ng-fs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p047.hem.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 923795393 10788 216.100.28.147 (11 Apr 1999 01:49:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Apr 1999 01:49:53 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16443 Like, uhhh....; I would like to know the answer to that one too, Beecrofter. In article <19990410213415.28210.00001168@ng-fs1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee says... > Ask that six yr old how long it will take for a cricket with a wooden leg to > kick all the seeds from a dill pickle. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > From kller@mindspring.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: kller@mindspring.com (David) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter bees? Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 05:41:25 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: <371035ed.606378491@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: kller@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.60.0c X-Server-Date: 11 Apr 1999 02:40:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16444 What are the bees(?) that look like bumble bees, and chew holes in wooden structures, which they enter? They hover around quite a lot, and interact with other ones when they happen along. They also catch small insects...I'm guessing to feed the young that they are putting in the holes. I've noticed that there are at least 2 types: those with a white dot on their face, and those without. The ones with the dot cannot sting, but the ones without it can--learned by experience :-( Are they male and female versions of the same animal? Why are they only around at the beginning of the summer, and not all the time? Thank you for any help! David kller_@yahoo.com From vitaly@prokk.uzhgorod.ua Sun Apr 11 23:20:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!news.tcom.uzhgorod.ua!not-for-mail From: "vitaly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hello Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:24:18 +0400 Organization: CV ProKK Lines: 26 Message-ID: <923037942.747964@prokk.uzhgorod.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: prokk-tcom.prokk.uzhgorod.ua X-Trace: news.tcom.uzhgorod.ua 923037885 10970 193.193.199.18 (2 Apr 1999 07:24:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.tcom.uzhgorod.ua NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 1999 07:24:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cache-Post-Path: prokk.uzhgorod.ua!unknown@193.193.199.29 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16445 My dear friends . help me please to find out the hospital and the doctors where they can treat for an illness which has an unusual current. I write you the diagnosis-consumption (tubercullosis) tbc of both lungs - neglected tuberculosis dissiminate . This diagnosis is the result of X-ray . mi son 16 years old . He does not cough .he has not a high temperature. all the result of the other analisis are in norm (normal) .He has have very good appetite. We have done tomography and it showed us that the lymps became bigger that theymast be. The doctors examined my son and said that it is satcoyidoz. Bat his doctor in Kiev. his therapeutist prescribed him all medicine in order to treat for an tuberculosis . only the result of X-ray and the result bronkhoscopy. showed that illnes is growing . my son does not feel any pain. All the doctors say thet it is a very rare case in medicine practise. they had not such an event (incindent). The doctors cannot find out the right decision . becase they did not have such a patient . The doctors prescribed him all medicine in order to treat for an tuberculosis . Will yuo be so kind to help me to solve this great problem. I dont know what to do and where I mast find . out the decision . God blees you . Thank you so much .I.shall wait for your answers vitaly@prokk.uzhgorod.ua From vitaly@prokk.uzhgorod.ua Sun Apr 11 23:20:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!news.tcom.uzhgorod.ua!not-for-mail From: "vitaly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hi Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:26:20 +0400 Organization: CV ProKK Lines: 8 Message-ID: <923038066.930980@prokk.uzhgorod.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: prokk-tcom.prokk.uzhgorod.ua X-Trace: news.tcom.uzhgorod.ua 923038009 11003 193.193.199.18 (2 Apr 1999 07:26:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.tcom.uzhgorod.ua NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 1999 07:26:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cache-Post-Path: prokk.uzhgorod.ua!unknown@193.193.199.29 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16446 On may 10.1999 CV-BEE is organizing a sale of honeycomd 4- framed dee-packages and bee -packages witnout .honeycomb in unlimited quality .bee-uterus embrionate and not. of the carpation populations. As well as products of beekeeping .such as honey .propolisum.queen-bee- milk. (flower) pollen From cardinf@tis.ch Sun Apr 11 23:20:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial01.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old honey, another question Date: 11 Apr 99 08:10:50 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01be83fa$6860f580$e780a19d@default> References: <370EC74E.6A2AE76D@saltspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16447 Don schrieb im Beitrag <370EC74E.6A2AE76D@saltspring.com>... > Recently acquired two 40-50 lb. buckets of honey that have been stored > for 15 years or more. Can anyone enlighten me on what degradation > processes take place in honey when stored for an extended period? Don't > know the particulars of storage temperature or conditions. Will the > honey have fermented? Can this honey be consumed by people? By bees? This will mostly depend on the storage conditions to which it was exposed over prolonged periods. If it has been stored in a sealed, airtight container to exclude moisture, protected from light, and in a cool area, the honey MAY still be edible. The main degradation product from sugars in honey is hydroxymethylfurfural (HMF) which increases over time and is also a sensitive measure of the temperature to which honey has been exposed. The level of HMF may be as high as 30 mg per 100 gram; levels up to 4 mg per 100 gram are acceptable in Europe for honey which is labeled 'natural' (not heated). Enzyme activity (diastase, invertase) in honey decreases significantly upon storage and is very sensitive to heating too. What is the appearance of your stored honey? Does it have a liquid layer on top? Does it smell like honey or does it smell and taste sour (yeasts), or does it have an odd smell (gasoline, etc. from surroundings)? Is it moldy? If the answer is 'Yes' the honey should be discarded. If the honey was well preserved it may be used, preferably, for cooking or baking ('industrial honey') for making ginger-bread and the like. The risk of feeding honey of unknown origin to bees, as always, is the transmission of disease! francis From adameden@ipa.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide and Bees Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:32:13 -0500 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7eq864$e40$1@news.ipa.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-116.jopl.ipa.net X-Trace: news.ipa.net 923837444 14464 208.149.43.116 (11 Apr 1999 13:30:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipa.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Apr 1999 13:30:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16448 It sure won't help them, and why risk it? Why not go organic, using insecticidal soap, Diatomaceous Earth and beneficial insects? Here's a great website, have bought from these folks for years and they are super. We are backyard flower and veg. gardeners, too. www.bugstore.com We started using beneficials 6 or 7 years ago and the change in the ecology of our suburban yard has been awesome. Spraying Sevan dust for yrs had disrupted things to the point of having plagues of bugs with no natural preditors. We now have toads, more birds than ever and no probs with the "weird" rashes of bugs that we had before. We use 1000's of lady bugs, lace wing eggs, beneficial nematodes and Praying Mantis (altho they will eat both good and bad bugs). The DE is probably my favorite, easy to use, gets the soft bodied pests-aphids, slugs, etc. The "organic" insecticides are just as deadly, but break down in very few days. I use them very sparingly. Most affect the intestinal processes of chewing, sucking type bugs, and must be ingested-so yr bees will be safe. Feel free to write if you decide to go this route and want some feedback. We started beekeeping, in our double lot yard, last year. One hive, and then a captured swarm. We have become hooked, and will have 15+ hives this year, mostly in semi-suburban spots. Our gardening friends are begging for hives and we will trade for honey. Good Luck, Randy & Sue Adams Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >I'm hoping to start a hive here in a few weeks, in our smallish back yard. > >We have quite a few perennials, which I usually treat with insecticide >every several weeks. Will doing this in the same yard, but not actually >close to the bees, harm them? > >Thanks. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From huey14@my-dejanews.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!den-news-01.qwest.net!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: hue Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee keeping Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:06:27 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7eqdpg$l0f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.152.41 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 11 15:06:27 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; AK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x17.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.209.152.41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16449 My Bees will be here around May 3. I think I'm ready. Any last minute thoughts that may help me out? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jamesd@xcelco.on.ca Sun Apr 11 23:20:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.97.14.174!europa.clark.net!128.32.206.55!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "David James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bottle Source Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:25:58 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7eqm0k$imk$1@east42.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.167.188.75 X-Trace: 923851604 0YD664MXXBC4BD1A7C east42.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16450 Can anyone suggest a commercial from the factory source for plastic honey bottles. I'm looking at 1 Litre or less in volume. Thank you in advance David James From honey.road@sympatico.ca Sun Apr 11 23:20:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.inc.net!newsxfer.visi.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <371118C5.DDFB0E6F@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee keeping References: <7eqdpg$l0f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:51:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.240 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 923867467 206.172.183.240 (Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:51:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:51:07 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16451 Hello Hue, going into my second year, and started just as you did. Hard to say on last minnute thoughts, make sure your hive is ready on it's stand, read over intorducing your package several time, I found that helped alot, even though I still went almost blank when the bees start flowing out of the package. Where abouts are you located? Allen B hue wrote: > My Bees will be here around May 3. I think I'm ready. Any last minute > thoughts that may help me out? > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From midnitebee@hotmail.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Andy/EAS Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:21:22 -0400 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.50 Message-ID: <371112be.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 11 Apr 1999 17:23:10 -0500, 209.222.80.50 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.98.63.6!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!209.222.80.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16452 Greetings.. Updated news EAS 1999: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/events.html I have the "Old Drones"(Andy) last two years articles..for those of you that are interested,email me directly. -- Herb Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee "An educated consumer is YOUR best customer" From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide and Bees Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:35:30 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7eq864$e40$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb107-21.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 923877362 2683093 209.156.120.251 (12 Apr 1999 00:36:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 1999 00:36:02 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16453 In article <7eq864$e40$1@news.ipa.net>, "R & S Adams" wrote: > It sure won't help them, and why risk it? Why not go organic, using > insecticidal soap, Diatomaceous Earth and beneficial insects? Here's a > great website, have bought from these folks for years and they are super. > We are backyard flower and veg. gardeners, too. > > www.bugstore.com > Thanks... I may get in touch with you as the spring/summer progresses. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jkimbroNOSPAM@midtown.net Thu Apr 15 09:19:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Kimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Colony Status Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:07:32 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <37115564.A73CAB3A@midtown.net> References: <37018959.3742090@news.greatbasin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.29 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 02:08:28 GMT X-Trace: 923882908.187.56 YIDHBSSGM651DCDA2C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16454 Why don't you or he box 'em? If they are resistant they would be nice to keep around. I'm not that far away,,,I'll come get 'em! (My Big Johnson vac should be here soon!) Jesse Wellman wrote: > Hi, > A friend who lives near an almond orchard in the cental valley > near marysville has a colony of dark bees(not italian) living in the > walls of an abandoned out building. My friend says that the bees have > been there continuously for 2 years. Is it possible that this colony > is some how resistant to vm, and other parasites, or more likely that > several queens have been there over the 2 years, only my friend never > noticed the inbetween down time. > How many wild colonys remain, especially in cold pre/non > africanised areas? > > Curious > > Jesse > jesse@wellman.reno.nv.us From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 15 09:19:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.reference.com!news.he.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!news.idt.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maroon Queens Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 02:07:56 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7erkho$kap$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <370D32B9.4A591E39@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.30 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 12 02:07:56 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16455 In article <370D32B9.4A591E39@bellsouth.net>, David Lynes wrote: > I heard there was a company, I believe in Southern California, selling > Queens with a recessive trait--they were maroon and yellow where other > honeybees are black and yellow. I heard that they were artificially > inseminated and produce maroon brood. And if the hive replaces the > queen, the new queen genetically cannot produce the maroon recessive > trait. The breeder you likely refer to is Glenn's Apiary and it was mentioned in this thread already. Some Starline lines are likewise Italian Cordovan. And there are MANY places this color mutation has been used as a genetic marker so it crops up all over the place. Sue Cobey does as mentioned maintain some cordovan stock - I believe of both Italian Cordovan and Carniolan Cordovan. It is the same color mutation - it changes black body color to brown and thus on yellow bees such as Italian it "to the eye" makes them look sorta red and the same color mutation in Black stock such as Carniolan makes them "to the eye" look sorta purple. Garrett Dodds likes to breed Cordovans as well. They are also maintained last I knew by the USDA as a genetic marker (along with some other mutants) at the Baton Rouge lab. We even get cordovan coloration popping out at times in some HIP lines though it is not being intentionally selected for (color is NOT a performance linked trait) - it has been/is mixed into a LOT of lines of bees throughout the USA. Okay now to clarify something and hopefully not confuse you in the process - if you want to see cordovan color expressed in the workers then the queen has to have it and the drone(s) she mated with likewise had to have it. When that pure mated cordovan queen is superseded (or in other words when her daughters naturally mate at random with non-cordovan drones) the workers from those queens will not express cordovan coloration BUT some or even all the drones will (thus allowing you to pick up the mutation and breed for it if desired via using the cordovan drones). You can have mixed mated cordovan queens that produce some workers that are cordovan and others that have normal coloration much as you can have queens producing both black and also yellow workers. And a queen that picked up wild-type coloration from one parent and cordovan from the other can also produce both normal colored and cordovan drones. Ain't genetic variation a wonderful thing!!! Cordovan coloration used as a genetic marker is responsible for what we know about techniques that are quite effective in increasing mating control via Drone Saturation/Flooding of natural mating areas. It has been used in such experiments to determine the level of Africanization in an area and if it can be overcome via drone saturation or not. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From abchome@webzone.net Thu Apr 15 09:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Kimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do I say? Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:18:41 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <37115801.DE8AB66D@midtown.net> References: <37083C5F.31FB0DD@webzone.net> Reply-To: abchome@webzone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.29 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 02:19:37 GMT X-Trace: 923883577.928.28 YIDHBSSGM651DCDA2C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16456 Try this place,,,He's got a lot of display examples http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/obs1.htm Donald Franson wrote: > I have been asked to advise the local Zoo as they prepare an > extensive beekeeping exhibit. There are so many different > aspects to beekeeping that I need some suggestions as to > which way to go for display to the general public. > I know you each have your own ideas and I would love to hear > them. > Please respond to me directly if you would so that I do not > have to transfer ideas out of the newsgroups. > > Donald Franson From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 15 09:19:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Miller-type feeder -- why can't the bees find it? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Apr 1999 02:42:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990411224212.12165.00001840@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16457 >Martin >When you put the Sugar Syrup into your Miller Feeder it sometimes helps >to allow some syrup dribble down through your Supers and Brood chamber >so that the Bees will sense it and find the source. >Pete >-- >Peter Ashley > Jus be sure not to dribble so much that it runs out the front or you'll have a very serious robbing problem Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 15 09:19:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.97.14.174!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's Big Johnson ????? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Apr 1999 02:45:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990411224517.12165.00001843@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16458 Had a couple of folks to writ an ask if'n i wuz under tha weather. Naw i ain't , jus knee deep in bees 12 hives swarmed before i could split, got all but 1 Lookin forward to hearin from you folks thats been ordering the bee vac. catch ya'll soon Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From tomasmozer@juno.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: where to buy bees Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:54:29 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37117C85.C10@juno.com> References: <19990406093832.08674.00003147@ng95.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.71.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 923889050 OCZ7E7JIA47C6D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Joyp Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16459 try the kelley co. in clarkson,ky. tel:502-242-2012 fax:502-242-4801 75 yrs. in the "beesness"... From tomasmozer@juno.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black bees again Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:40:09 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 5 Message-ID: <37118739.1C51@juno.com> References: <370D0A56.5D5B811B@twcny.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.71.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 923889114 OCZ7E7JIA47C6D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16460 check out the british isles bee breeders association at http://www.angus.co.uk/bibba/ From parkin@avalon.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.106.34!avalon.net!not-for-mail From: "parker-simkin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moldy Wax Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 06:21:26 -0500 Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7eskmu$n7a$1@sword.avalon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v90-24.ic.avalon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16461 I'm getting ready to start a new season, and have discovered that all of my old drawn wax supers have molded over the winter. Can I use that comb again? From orangerose@aol.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide and Bees Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Apr 1999 22:31:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3711F2FB.288ACE86@zzclinic.net> Message-ID: <19990412183114.29982.00002068@ng38.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16462 With all this commentary on pesticides, I thought I would emerge from lurking to offer my two cents. I have been an organic gardener for over ten years, and have found that most pesticides are unneccessary if you keep your own gardens and have the time to monitor. This is different for professional landscapers (which I have been) and farmers. Plants are much harder to monitor in those instances. If you want more information on organics, a good place to start is the newsgroup rec.gardens.ecosystems. They have a good website at http://sunsite.unc.edu/rge/main.htm Lots of basic information and links to more info. Although I am a strictly organic gardener, an option that is more bee-friendly is IPM, or Integrated Pest Management. There are a number of publications put out by the University of California at Davis that give specifics of managing pests in a ecological and economical manner. I can get more specific (names of books, websites, etc. ) if some are interested. A little off-topic for this group, though, so I will end here... :-) Kelly From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: old honey and varoa Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:27:02 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7etrvb$hhp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3711d83e.608667@news.northcom.net> <19990412073140.04136.00002773@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.14 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 12 22:27:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16463 In article <19990412073140.04136.00002773@ng-fi1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > From: fallon@hotmail.com (Martin Fallon) > > >I have a colony that died out over the winter -- I forgot to place the > >Apistan strips in when I winterized it and believe this was the > >downfall. Now I am left with a standard brood size super full of > >honey. What can I do with it? > > You can extract it or use it to get a new colony going fast. >Don't worry about mites; they die with the bees. Dave, I know you know what you meant here and so do I and it is correct as it applies to this particular situation where the deadout has sat around a while. But completely devoid of bees for a food source it takes Varroa mites about 4 days to starve to death and if the collapsed colony left behind sealed brood well them blasted V-mites may survive a month (they have a food source). So just to insure someone else doesn't think "dead bees=instantly dead mites" I thought a bit of clarification might be helpful. >Drifting drones will reinfect the new hive > after awhile, but the bees will not get mites from the equipment. Drifting drones are a very real spreader of mites. In most apiaries there is substantial drift of workers also and that also spreads mites. Nearby crashing colonies spreads them real fast and in quantity. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee humor Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:41:13 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 38 Message-ID: <371292A9.EB134BC6@valley.net> References: <37124C2A.A17E6DAA@mindspring.com> <37127C85.2C5A@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16464 AL wrote: > Chris Killion wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a good source of bee jokes? > > Thanks. > > are you kidding??? > > Why did the bee cross the brood? > > How do you know when a bee is "poking" fun? > > When does a queen tell the drone to buzz off? > > There were these 2 bees that went into a hive to get waxed.... > > Bee bumper sticker - My pupa beat the crap outta your honor pupa > > Most asked question from Indiana bees - Whozzzzzzzzz yer mama? > > Whaddaya get when ya cross a bee with a lightning bug??? > > AL so, i guess your point is that there are NO bee jokes. ;) bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From lithar@midwest.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:07 EDT 1999 Article: 16465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee humor Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:06:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <37127C85.2C5A@midwest.net> References: <37124C2A.A17E6DAA@mindspring.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.12 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:12:04 GMT X-Trace: 923958724.869.44 JF3D7GB4M1C0CD0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16465 Chris Killion wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good source of bee jokes? > Thanks. are you kidding??? Why did the bee cross the brood? How do you know when a bee is "poking" fun? When does a queen tell the drone to buzz off? There were these 2 bees that went into a hive to get waxed.... Bee bumper sticker - My pupa beat the crap outta your honor pupa Most asked question from Indiana bees - Whozzzzzzzzz yer mama? Whaddaya get when ya cross a bee with a lightning bug??? AL From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's Big Johnson ????? Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:51:49 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <37129525.AEE67FCC@valley.net> References: <19990411224517.12165.00001843@ng-fb1.aol.com> <19990412073805.04136.00002779@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16466 Pollinator wrote: > All uz folks in the southeast are bustin' our butts right now, so we may be > quieter than usual. There was a swarmy spell earlier, but it seems over for > now. Now they are getting a whale of a flow, and we're haulin' out supers, > probably too late for some. > > Every year they go from starvation to plugup, practically overnight, so we > should have been prepared...... Right? > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm man, what a difference a few hundred miles make. up here in new hampshire i'm still waiting for all the snow to finally melt. bees are active, somewhat, and actually bringing in pollen [mostly gray and a little orange], but only the early trees and flowers, like birch and skunk cabbage, are blooming now. we were supposed to get an inch of snow last night, but it didn't happen, fortunately. temps still got down into the low 20's though. but, your reports are a good reminder that hectic days are not far off. time to get all my supers in a row, so to speak. in the meantime, if the last of the darn snow will just up and melt, i'll be able to go out and roll my lawn for frost heaves and mole hills, hopefully, next weekend. good luck to all you southern guys and gals, as you haul them overloaded supers! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moldy Drawn Comb Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:42:04 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7er5vp$2hv$1@sword.avalon.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 12 Apr 1999 23:38:46 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Apr 12 16:45:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 13 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp261.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3712840e.74010726@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16467 "parker-simkin" wrote: >...the frames I extracted last summer have grown moldy over the >winter. Can I still use them? Yes, they are still good. The bees will clean all the mould off the wax within a few days. The mouldy drawn comb can be used in the brood nest or as honey supers. No problem. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7eqm0k$imk$1@east42.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Honey Bottle Source Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:17:26 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 923966548 24.93.149.35 (Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:22:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:22:28 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16468 Dadant and Sons has several sizes available although I doubt they manufacture them. From pascal66@globetrotter.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.quebectel.com!news.quebectel.com!not-for-mail From: pascal fournier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Building Sticky board Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:41:32 -0400 Organization: GlobeTrotter Lines: 31 Message-ID: <370CF85B.36AF77A0@globetrotter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-11.f3215.quebectel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16469 Hi! As varroa mites are arriving in my locality (In Quebec near Montreal),I plan to studies it's evolution in my hives (they are absolutely not treated except grease patties). My provincial apiarist recommended me sticky board.As I think it' s a little bit expensive to allow a full season observation, I decided to built them myself with a plate of massonite with a thin layer of vaseline or food grade grease with a screen (1/4 inch mesh) place 1/8 inch up on it. I place it on the bottom board behind the brood comb and it looks like no bees get soaked with grease or stick on it. I know that sticky board are normally used in conjonction with Apistan strips inside the brood comb and in that case, the method works in 24 hours but: -I don' t wan't to use Apistan if not needed as mite's developped resistance to it. -I assume that leaving the sticky board permanently will allow me to make a permanent observation. -I think that counting the mites every 10 days will be enough (and allows to change the board if too dirty). -Home made boards with no Apistan cost less than commercial boards AND Apistan. As I'm a pure virgin with mites fighting, is something wrong with this method ? any advice and critics will be welcome. thanks Pascal From Mr.unix@mail.excite.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!not-for-mail From: "Mr.unix" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Insurance? Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:53:47 -0400 Organization: OARnet Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7ekpo9$3j3$1@malgudi.oar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.agmc.org X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16470 In this day and age of sue happy people, do you need to carry separate liability insurance if you plan to keep bees? Or is this something that is covered by most home owner's insurance? From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Apr 15 09:20:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones already appearing in my hives (Michigan) Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Apr 1999 12:28:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990408193441.28890.00000366@ng-cg1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990409082824.06182.00000578@ng128.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16471 > > When they build cells, turn the hive around backwards, and place an empty >hive in the old spot. Take out three or four frames of brood, with a cell or >two, and put them in the new box I am missing something or reading too much into this- are you trying to get the field force into the nuc? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beetools@aol.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:12 EDT 1999 Article: 16472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: a few problems Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Apr 1999 15:13:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ejbge$3e6$1@news.ipa.net> Message-ID: <19990409111307.27144.00000273@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16472 If it is you intent to split the hives, why bother locating the queen. Just make the splits and return in four days and look for eggs. If the split has eggs, it has the queen and the other splits/boxes are queenless (never hurts to check those for eggs as well since multi-queen colonies happens in 2-5% of all colonies). The only time you ever need to locate the queen is if you are going to replace her, so don't get frustraed and spend a lot of time disturbing the bees looking for her - you only need to see signs of a queen (eggs and larve).. On the drone question, it is not uncommon for old neglected hives to have large drone populations from poor comb. Normal drone population is somewhere around 18% in a strong colony. When good comb gets warm and sags (from improper wiring etc.) or is damaged in some way, the bees will "repair" the distorted comb with drone cells. If you see lots of worker cells capped with high "bullet" shaped cappings, you have a failing queen who is "shooting blanks" (unfertilized eggs). But if you saw a queen and there is a normal brood pattern, you do not have a laying worker. The typical signs of laying workers (which are multiple bees in a hive, not just a few and look like non-laying workers) is multiple eggs in a cell. Move the super you want to cycle out to the bottom of the hive and as the cluster moves up, the brood will hatch out and you can the remove the super. The honey will be just fine for feeding splits and colonies. Good L:uck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From Malley@netdoor.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <370CF85B.36AF77A0@globetrotter.net> Subject: Re: Building Sticky board Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:23:32 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.112 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 923675098 208.137.149.112 (Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:24:58 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:24:58 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16473 I read some where that smoking the bees with Tobacco will knock the mites off. The Sticky board then can trap the mites. This was described as a way to test for mites. Have not tried it yet. But was planing on it. Hope this helps Just a NewBee Robert pascal fournier wrote in message <370CF85B.36AF77A0@globetrotter.net>... >Hi! >As varroa mites are arriving in my locality (In Quebec near Montreal),I >plan to studies it's >evolution in my hives (they are absolutely not treated except grease >patties). > >My provincial apiarist recommended me sticky board.As I think it' s a >little bit expensive to allow >a full season observation, I decided to built them myself with a plate >of massonite with a thin layer of vaseline or food grade grease with a >screen (1/4 inch mesh) place 1/8 inch up on it. I place it on the bottom >board behind the brood comb and it looks like no bees get soaked with >grease or stick on it. > >I know that sticky board are normally used in conjonction with Apistan >strips inside the brood comb and in that case, the method works in 24 >hours but: > -I don' t wan't to use Apistan if not needed as mite's developped >resistance to it. > -I assume that leaving the sticky board permanently will allow me to >make a permanent observation. > -I think that counting the mites every 10 days will be enough (and >allows to change the board if too dirty). > -Home made boards with no Apistan cost less than commercial boards >AND Apistan. > >As I'm a pure virgin with mites fighting, is something wrong with this >method ? >any advice and critics will be welcome. thanks Pascal > > From tommozer@hotmail.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: tommozer@hotmail.com (tomas mozer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black bees again Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Originating-Host: 209.27.72.230 References: <370D0A56.5D5B811B@twcny.rr.com> Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:52:53 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.3.176 X-Trace: WReNphoon3 923963672 10.0.3.176 (Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:34:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:34:32 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16474 check out the british isles bee breeders association at: http://www.angus.co.uk/bibba/ **** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) **** From Hanna@ican.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: "DON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:51:08 -0500 Organization: ICAN.Net Customer Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7e6us5$3g9$1@news2.tor.accglobal.net> References: <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <37018B90.E09F2C23@rectec.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-217.m2-3.ham.ican.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16475 Fruit flies and smaller objects are not long enough to act as a good antenna at microwave frequencies and will normally not absorb enough energy to kill them. Don VA3 ANY GW wrote in message news:37018B90.E09F2C23@rectec.net... >I have to ask a question: what is the difference between nuke'em, the mites and >microwaveing, the mites? I know that some insects are not affected by microwave. From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37124C2A.A17E6DAA@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Bee humor Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:26:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 923967069 24.93.149.35 (Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:31:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:31:09 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16476 Try this. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/ From tomasmozer@juno.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide and Bees Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:07:12 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3712D100.9E9@juno.com> References: <3711F2FB.288ACE86@zzclinic.net> <19990412183114.29982.00002068@ng38.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.71.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 923973125 OCZ7E7JIA47D5D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Orangerose Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16477 organic honey was discussed to death on this and/or another subscriber bee-list... check out the internet apiculture and beekeeping archive at: http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/ don't know where you are located, but do you know of any certified/certifiable organic honey source/supplier?...guess that's a semi-rhetorical question at least until the new usda organic standards come out, but organic beekeeping appears to be quite the challenge...however, there is hope for transitional possibilities using ipm as you suggest...any beekeeping-specific links you may know of would bee welcome, thanks! From lithar@midwest.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee humor Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:45:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3712BDD5.4621@midwest.net> References: <37124C2A.A17E6DAA@mindspring.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.12 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:50:46 GMT X-Trace: 923975446.598.13 JF3D7GB4M1C0CD0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16478 rick wrote: > > Try this. > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/ I really enjoyed the ones at this page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/ Thanks. AL From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Thu Apr 15 09:20:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: repeat request-extract & exhibit Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:36:19 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Message-ID: References: <7ecc6f$sau$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <7ecc6f$sau$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au> Lines: 45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16479 i have in my files a copy of an old bee culture article for making an extractor from a garbage can and an old washing machine motor. or, if you prefer, a radial extractor with lots of plywood. i don't seem to have much luck using a scanner, so send me your mailing address and i'll get some copies out to you. kendal On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Nunyara wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:12:47 +1000 > From: Nunyara > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: repeat request-extract & exhibit > > No replies as yet to my questions of 27/3/99. Repeated below: > > Q1. Anyone got plans or proven ideas for a cheap, home made 1 or 2 frame > extractor? Hand operated is fine. > > Q2. When I finish building my 2 frame exhibition hive, what and when would > be the best way to split one of my existing 2 hives to start an exhibition > colony (each has a brood and 1 super) ? Supers are now full of capped honey > and queen is strong. March in Australia is early autumn. > > Swami. > > > > > > Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From dandy@spamoff.saltspring.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3713687D.EB15874D@spamoff.saltspring.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:53:33 -0700 From: Don Organization: none whatsoever X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building Sticky board References: <370CF85B.36AF77A0@globetrotter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.86 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.86 X-Trace: 13 Apr 1999 08:51:00 -0800, 204.244.138.86 Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-feed.fnsi.net!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.86 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16480 Robert Malley wrote: > > I read some where that smoking the bees with Tobacco will knock the mites > off. I tried smoking the bees with tobacco but they kicked up a fuss when I rolled them up in my cigarette paper. Licking the paper was some hazardous too. Gotta be a better way to "knock the mites off". ing Don From midnitebee@hotmail.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Andy/EAS 1999 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:27:43 -0400 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.63 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.63 Message-ID: <3710dc28.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 11 Apr 1999 13:30:16 -0500, 209.222.80.63 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.98.63.6!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!209.222.80.63 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16481 Greetings! Marlene has sent me an update of the EAS 1999 meeting:click the below link. http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/update.html Also,for those who are interested, I have Andy's a.ka. "OLd Drone's" writings for the last two years..e-mail me directly and I will send you the Herb Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee "An educated comsumer is YOUR best customer" From dandy@spamoff.saltspring.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <371364E3.7E16243D@spamoff.saltspring.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:38:11 -0700 From: Don Organization: none whatsoever X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old honey, another question References: <370EC74E.6A2AE76D@saltspring.com> <01be83fa$6860f580$e780a19d@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.86 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.86 X-Trace: 13 Apr 1999 08:35:38 -0800, 204.244.138.86 Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.86 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16482 Thank You, Francis! Much more than I was expecting. Very thorough explanation. I have the buckets stored elsewhere right now (away from my bees) but will probably forgo the lab analyses and rely on my tactile analysis; if it looks, smells and tastes like honey, it's probably good. Otherwise, not. May use it for a batch of honey beer if it's ok. Thanks again, Francis. Don From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old honey, another question Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 1999 21:10:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <371364E3.7E16243D@spamoff.saltspring.com> Message-ID: <19990413171019.12728.00000315@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16483 From: Don >Thank You, Francis! > Much more than I was expecting. Very thorough explanation. I have the >buckets stored elsewhere right now (away from my bees) but will probably >forgo the lab analyses and rely on my tactile analysis; if it looks, >smells and tastes like honey, it's probably good. Otherwise, not. May >use it for a batch of honey beer if it's ok. Francis provided a very thorough explanation, but I'd add one more comment. If you carefully skim the surface layer, rather than allow it to get mixed into the rest, you'll find that you have quite a bit higher quality. Fermentation, and other degradation seems to concentrate at the surface where pollen and wax have risen and there is contact with air and humidity. I suspect that there is some degradation of the oils in the pollen, as well as honey fermentation. I have used buckets of honey that were several years old, and found the top half inch has all the off-tastes, and the rest was fine, perhaps a little darker in color than normal. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From rrudd@tinet.ie Thu Apr 15 09:20:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insurance? Date: 13 Apr 1999 16:59:30 GMT Organization: Telecom Internet (http://www.tinet.ie/) Message-ID: <01be85c9$0058e8a0$LocalHost@xpiagoyn> References: <7ekpo9$3j3$1@malgudi.oar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 924022770 2758 159.134.232.44 (13 Apr 1999 16:59:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 1999 16:59:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.belnet.be!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16484 In Ireland, memebership of a beekeepers Association affiliated to the Federation of Irish Beekeepers Association carries public liability for beekeeping operations and apiaries whether home apiaries or out apiaries. Ruary Rudd Mr.unix wrote in article <7ekpo9$3j3$1@malgudi.oar.net>... > In this day and age of sue happy people, do you need to carry separate > liability insurance if you plan to keep bees? Or is this something that is > covered by most home owner's insurance? > > > From rrudd@tinet.ie Thu Apr 15 09:20:23 EDT 1999 Article: 16485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Date: 13 Apr 1999 16:59:31 GMT Organization: Telecom Internet (http://www.tinet.ie/) Message-ID: <01be85c9$d5922cc0$LocalHost@xpiagoyn> References: <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones> <923605035.29690.0.nnrp-12.d4e523cc@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 924022771 2758 159.134.232.44 (13 Apr 1999 16:59:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 1999 16:59:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 22 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.belnet.be!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16485 Patsy Bennet who runs the Agricultural Advice Services hives at Clonroche, Wexford had a scaled hive which was weighed every day and on one day the hive increased in weight by 24 pounds ( i.e. about 11 kg). The increase was purely due to the nectar broughtin by the bees. The day was apparently a very humid day and the bees worked for all the daylight hours. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie John Savage wrote in article <923605035.29690.0.nnrp-12.d4e523cc@news.demon.co.uk>... > > But in a hive with, say, 20,000 foraging bees that's 800g per day. It sounds > about right because a hive can produce around 80kg in 100 days (very round > figures) during the best part of the Summer. > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee humor Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:50:14 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3713D836.9A7558B3@valley.net> References: <37124C2A.A17E6DAA@mindspring.com> <37127C85.2C5A@midwest.net> <371292A9.EB134BC6@valley.net> <3712D4B3.100B@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-138.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16486 AL wrote: > Bill Greenrose wrote: > > > > AL wrote: > > > > > Chris Killion wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a good source of bee jokes? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > are you kidding??? > > > > > > > Most asked question from Indiana bees - Whozzzzzzzzz yer mama? > > > > > > Whaddaya get when ya cross a bee with a lightning bug??? > > > > > > AL > > > > so, i guess your point is that there are NO bee jokes. ;) > > > > bill > > Wha? You didn't thing that was funny? 8) > > AL welllllllllll. afterwords, the thought crossed my mind that it might be species-specific humor. so, i went out back and read the jokes out loud to my bees. they just fell down on the landing board, laughing and rolling around, spilling pollen every which way. in fact...yep.... i can still hear then giggling out there in the hives. seems like your jokes are the buzz of the hives. :)) bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From WayAnd@netcom.ca Thu Apr 15 09:20:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Anderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splitting -Hives Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:10:09 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.79.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 924048506 207.181.79.214 (Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:08:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:08:26 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16487 What is the best way to split a hive? From nunyara@zeta.org.au Thu Apr 15 09:20:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!zeta.org.au!news.zeta.org.au!not-for-mail From: "." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: repeat request-extract & exhibit Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:59:40 +1000 Organization: Zeta Internet, http://www.zeta.org.au/ Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7f0pau$2nk$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au> References: <7ecc6f$sau$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: d191.syd2.zeta.org.au X-Trace: phaedrus.zeta.org.au 924051614 2804 203.26.9.63 (14 Apr 1999 01:00:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@zeta.org.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 1999 01:00:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16488 Thanks anyway Kendal but I got the same (or similar) plans from another bloke which I can use without causing you the effort. An excellent 2 frame design for bee hobbyists. If anyone else wants copies of these plans let me know and I can send 600KB of BMP files. Swami. KENDAL SMUCKER wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.10.9904131131440.5651-100000@discover.wright.edu... > i have in my files a copy of an old bee culture article for making an > extractor from a garbage can and an old washing machine motor. or, if you > prefer, a radial extractor with lots of plywood. i don't seem to have much > luck using a scanner, so send me your mailing address and i'll get some > copies out to you. > > kendal > > Q1. Anyone got plans or proven ideas for a cheap, home made 1 or 2 frame > > extractor? Hand operated is fine. > > > > Q2. When I finish building my 2 frame exhibition hive, what and when would > > be the best way to split one of my existing 2 hives to start an exhibition > > colony (each has a brood and 1 super) ? Supers are now full of capped honey > > and queen is strong. March in Australia is early autumn. > > > > Swami. From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!scrappy.visi.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Phillip Knowles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What happened? Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:53:05 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3713F500.1FCE8728@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.9a.2b Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 14 Apr 1999 01:38:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16489 Second attempt to raise bees in Georgia. I recently received two 3lb packages of bees, each with a marked queen. When I placed these packages in there new hives, one kept leaving the it's hive and "swarming" to the blocks under the other hive, which was already settled with bees. The queens in both hives where still in their packing hanging from a frame. I would take them back to their original hive, and they would leave again and go to the same place (At one point their was a three lb package of bees flying around in circles over my head- it would have scared a non bee keeper into a heart attack!). I eventually got some of them to stay by locking them in the hive and releasing the queen from her enclosure as I closed the hive. In the end, I ended up with about 95% of the bees in one hive, and 5% left in the hive that kept "swarming". I have not looked yet to verify that the queen is still in the weak hive. 1 What happened? 2 Any advice on strengthening the weak colony if it survives that long? 3 The packages came labeled that they were treated with Apistan. When do I need to re-treat? From dandy@spamoff.saltspring.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3713E64F.3CFA6FE4@spamoff.saltspring.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:50:30 -0700 From: Don Organization: none whatsoever X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old honey, another question References: <371364E3.7E16243D@spamoff.saltspring.com> <19990413171019.12728.00000315@ng-cg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.40 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.40 X-Trace: 13 Apr 1999 17:47:50 -0800, 204.244.138.40 Lines: 29 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16490 Pollinator wrote: > > Francis provided a very thorough explanation, but I'd add one more comment. > > If you carefully skim the surface layer, rather than allow it to get mixed > into the rest, you'll find that you have quite a bit higher quality. > Fermentation, and other degradation seems to concentrate at the surface where > pollen and wax have risen and there is contact with air and humidity. I > suspect that there is some degradation of the oils in the pollen, as well as > honey fermentation. > > I have used buckets of honey that were several years old, and found the top > half inch has all the off-tastes, and the rest was fine, perhaps a little > darker in color than normal. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Thanks, Dave, A good tip indeed. Will take off the top honey before my taste test. Don Spamoff for the spambots. Please remove "spamoff." from address before replying. From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Phillip Knowles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:35:23 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3713F0DA.2D63698C@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.9a.2b Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 14 Apr 1999 01:20:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16491 Only a test From kchristensen@ccinet.ab.ca Thu Apr 15 09:20:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tac.net!news.videotron.ab.ca!198.161.96.27!remote7.sp.incentre.net From: "Kevin Christensen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Uncapper for sale Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:47:21 -0600 Organization: The Internet Centre Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37140d9b.0@198.161.96.27> NNTP-Posting-Host: news-3.incentre.net X-Trace: ashes.videotron.ab.ca 924061205 2204 198.161.96.27 (14 Apr 1999 03:40:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ashes.videotron.ab.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Apr 1999 03:40:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16492 Maxant Rotating Drum Uncapper Series 1000 Model 3M Ser. No. 62 Alberta, Canada Call Jim at: 780-635-3842 From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesty bees Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:10:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 Apr 1999 21:13:15 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Apr 7 14:15:13 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust160.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <370BC9B9.78A8@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16493 jay8345 wrote: > > I own a restaurant in the midwest and I have an outside bar on the > water and my bartenders and customers are constantly harrased by bees. > What can I do to keep the bees from bothering everyone? > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email -- always at Talkway. Close the bar From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.wli.net!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What happened? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Apr 1999 04:20:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3713F500.1FCE8728@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <19990414002058.17296.00000403@ng153.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16494 >original hive, and they would leave again and go to the same place (At >one point their was a three lb package of bees flying around in circles >over my head- it would have scared a non bee keeper into a heart >attack!). I eventually got some of >1 What happened? dang near sounds like there was a queen in that box loose >2 Any advice on strengthening the weak colony if it survives that long? > just swap it to the other place after the workers have gone out for the day, they'll carry home Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From adamf@vt.edu Thu Apr 15 09:20:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen substitute Date: 14 Apr 1999 06:39:15 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7f1d6j$8us$1@golux.radix.net> References: <370FCF51.15D8@midwest.net> <7et0f3$neq$1@campus1.mtu.edu> <1831F824CS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port9.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16495 In article <1831F824CS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, Aaron Morris wrote: >In article <7et0f3$neq$1@campus1.mtu.edu> >Timothy C. Eisele writes: > >>AL wrote: >>: I'm interested in opinions regarding the use of yeast in pattie mixtures... >> >>The main difference is that baker's yeast is live yeast, while brewer's >>yeast (sometimes called "nutritional yeast") is dead yeast.... FWIW, I've made patties with the standard Dadant "Pollen Substitute" containing brewer's yeast, with excellent results. I mixed with sugar syrup ( I actually used some of my own honey) until pliant, then shaped into patties, ~ 1 lb., separated with wax paper, and froze. Mixing can get pretty demanding when the pattie mix begins to "set-up". Use more liquid than you think you'll need. You can always add more dry. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What happened? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:27:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7f1v0q$lkv$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <3713F500.1FCE8728@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port22.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16496 Phillip Knowles wrote: >Second attempt to raise bees in Georgia. >I recently received two 3lb packages of bees, each with a marked queen. >When I placed these packages in there new hives, one kept leaving the >it's hive and "swarming" to the blocks under the other hive, which was >already settled with bees. The queens in both hives where still in >their packing hanging from a frame. I would take them back to their >original hive, and they would leave again and go to the same place (At >one point their was a three lb package of bees flying around in circles >over my head- it would have scared a non bee keeper into a heart >attack!). I eventually got some of them to stay by locking them in the >hive and releasing the queen from her enclosure as I closed the hive. >In the end, I ended up with about 95% of the bees in one hive, and 5% >left in the hive that kept "swarming". I have not looked yet to verify >that the queen is still in the weak hive. >1 What happened? A queen accidently got shaken into the package. They had no use for the new "strange" queen in the cage. It happens. >2 Any advice on strengthening the weak colony if it survives that long? Add a frame or two of emerging brood from another colony if you have one. You have lots of time. If you have no queen wait until a swarm is available. >3 The packages came labeled that they were treated with Apistan. When >do I need to re-treat? When your ether roll test tells you to. Test monthly. One good hive robbing and your bees can be infested overnight. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From shuston@riverace.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.winstar.net!news.good.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What happened? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:38:29 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Message-ID: <3714A865.20286C92@riverace.com> References: <3713F500.1FCE8728@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shuston.ma.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 14 Apr 1999 14:38:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16497 Phillip Knowles wrote: > > Second attempt to raise bees in Georgia. > > I recently received two 3lb packages of bees, each with a marked queen. > When I placed these packages in there new hives, one kept leaving the > it's hive and "swarming" to the blocks under the other hive, which was > already settled with bees. The queens in both hives where still in > their packing hanging from a frame. I would take them back to their > original hive, and they would leave again and go to the same place I read the posts from Kevin Johnson and Greg the beekeep, and they've been at this a _lot_ longer than I, so I'd believe them first, but this is just another data point... I heard of one new beekeeper who treated new boxes with some preservative (I want to say Linseed oil, but I'm not sure). Anyway, every day the bees would all fly out and cluster close by. She'd put them all back in at night, and it would repeat the next day. They were driven out by the smell of the preservative when the box heated up in the daytime sun. Once she replaced those boxes with painted ones, the bees stayed put. Eventually when the preservative fully cured/dried, the bees stayed in those too. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting -Hives Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:28:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7f1v2k$lkv$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: port22.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16498 "Wayne Anderson" wrote: >What is the best way to split a hive? C3 works real well :) Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hey you swarm catchers... Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 18:45:53 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 163 Message-ID: References: <36FC14E4.17C0FFF9@midtown.net> <19990326201131.04284.00000533@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.106 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:47:41 GMT X-Trace: 924119261.314.85 KRFRRPH9I1C6ACF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16499 Hi, My family kept bees when I was a kid, but I never learned the skills . Nonetheless, THEY thought, that if you SMOKED THEM very heavily, that the bees will react as though the tree is afire, and try to swarm . If your new brood box is handy, and if you're light afoot, you can lure, coax, entice, and kidnap the queen into your just-perfect new hive . Maybe it's just another "old wives tale", but it seems logical to me, and it's a lot more attractive than aether . You use it, by building up your smoke, a little at a time . Give them time to get used to the idea of having to look for new digs . The kids(my role long ago.) was to watch for scout bees looking for the new settling place, and keep them in sight, for the adults to catch and put in the new hive . I don't recall now, if we ever caught one, or put it in a hive, but it kept toddler me out of the way, looking up in the sky for scout bees . ANYWAY, You do need to give out a special prize for locating THE QUEEN(!), sure as thE devil, she'll rest in a dumbed tree about fifty feet up . No amount of foul language, will get her down, and into your box . That's for certain, unless you have more powerful words than my jippo logger father . So, you REALLY want the cooperation of those scout bees . Even IF she does rest in a tree, those scouts will be busy, looking for the perfect new home . You've an excellent chance of settling her in your hive, just because other places have a hard time competing with such a perfect location . After that, it's just leaving them alone for a week, or so, and then learning beekeeping . Hope it's not one of those misguided old wives tales . Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 3/26/99 5:11PM, in message <19990326201131.04284.00000533@ng-ce1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: >Got a hive in a chimney. Any removal suggestions, (without a vac,,sorry >Johnson),,,?? > >The home owner just bought the house and doesn't have all the info as to >how long they've been there etc... > thats a tough one ya'll, real tough. 1. Is it an exterior chimney ? 2. Is the chimney construction sound ? ( very old house or say 20-40 yrs ) 3. Does the home owner ever plan on using the chimney for heating etc..? 4. are the house plans availiable ? ( is it a straight old style chimney or are they double flue wit brick surround ) 5. Is there a dampner or is it an open chimney ? Without dissambling the chimney, there is just about no way to remove these bees without killing them. There is only one way that i know of to do it cleanly, it will take a whole season and in the end will still be messy. 1. seal the chimney from the top and bottom, Air tight. 2. spray about 3 cans of ether ( starting fluid ) it may take more into the chimney, seal up tight !!!! 3. NOTE This will kill the bees, but also not poison the honey allowing the contents to be robbed out. 4. after about 4 hours, unseal the chimney, if not dead yet, put in a lot more ether and go again 5. If all dead, using a regular vac clean up the dead bees from the fire place, there will be a hell of a lot of em !!!!!! 6. Get a good look up the chimney, how much are ya talkin ? You can see where this is heading..... Write me back with answers to the questions or we'll be here all night And yes folks Big Johnson Has been here Done this one Too !!! Hope you know a chimney sweep. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed exclusively by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 19:03:22 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: <7ejm4n$pnu$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.106 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:05:09 GMT X-Trace: 924120309.149.57 KRFRRPH9I1C6ACF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16500 Hi, Read this newsgroup . Sheeeeesh ! Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/8/99 6:46PM, in message <7ejm4n$pnu$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Erik Peterson" wrote: Hello, A tree in my front yard has two large "bunches" (for lack of a better word) of bees in it. They are clumped together and they seem quite calm. I would be interested in harnessing the honey-pumping power of these little dynamos, but I am not sure where to start. I was wondering if there is someone perhaps local to me that I could either call on the phone or get in e-mail contact with in regards to capturing and keeping these bees. Or, is there any sort of Bee Club or anything in the Los Angeles Area, preferably in the San Fernando Valley, whom I could contact? Thank you very much. - Steve Peterson PS - Could you please respond by e-mail? my address is: wombatius@earthlink.net , thank you. From helmick@webtv.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: They're Alive!!!! Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Message-ID: <3699-3714F083-50@newsd-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmM4xJOKHMUbrTqYCJor0Y2rbRIQCFEMq/ROWB1EYrUPJAniZGItpvUEc Content-Disposition: Inline Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16501 First let me tell you how much I depend on this news group for information and a laugh or two. I check in almost every day. Last fall I posted a question about what I should do about two hives I have on my brother's farm. I didn't treat them until late and they were both very weak (down to about two frames of bees in either hive) and many of the emerging brood had stubs where their wings should have been. I recieved many good suggestions from this group, but I didn't follow anyone's advise. Not because I didn't trust you, I just didn't have time. Well I finally took a day off from work just to check my bees. Both hives are bursting at the seams with brood and pollen. I rotated the hive bodies and added a few empty frames in each one and feed them syrup with teramycin I sprinkled with Fumidyl. They still have several frames of honey. Both hives are Buckfast. New colonies started last year. I had been thinking about going back to Italians because I thought they were more gentle, but today the bees were as nice as could bee and I have definitely developed a greater respect for the breed. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: intergeneric bee hybrids Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 19:25:56 GMT Organization: Company: Message-ID: References: <7ebag8$f1d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.106 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:27:42 GMT X-Trace: 924121662.031.80 KRFRRPH9I1C6ACF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Lines: 49 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16502 Hi, I thought that's what "Africanized" bees are . Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/5/99 2:38PM, in message <7ebag8$f1d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, steverappolee@yahoo.com wrote: greetings to all, Has there ever been any reported intergeneric hybrids among the bees???and has there ever been any hybrids among the aphis genera,particulry the giant asien honey bee and apies mellifora?? thanks in advance,steve -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From chucklaser@aol.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!europa.clark.net!europa.netcrusader.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old honey, another question NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Apr 1999 22:38:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990413171019.12728.00000315@ng-cg1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990414183848.14351.00000638@ng64.aol.com> Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16503 >use it for a batch of honey beer if it's ok. Makes really good soap alone or with milk. Thats what I do with the really bad tasting varieties I get. Chuck From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting -Hives Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 21:06:29 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> <7f1v2k$lkv$2@news1.Radix.Net> <3714A5B1.42FE@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.105 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:08:16 GMT X-Trace: 924127696.988.37 KRFRRPH9I9869CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16504 Hi, I hear there's a health warning with C3, nowadays . Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/14/99 7:26AM, in message <3714A5B1.42FE@midwest.net>, AL wrote: honeybs wrote: > > "Wayne Anderson" wrote: > > >What is the best way to split a hive? > > C3 works real well :) > > Greg the beekeep > Taking exception with that - he wants to *split* , not *expand* his hive. I'd recommend an 8lb axe. AL From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee humor Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:20:29 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37124C2A.A17E6DAA@mindspring.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 15 Apr 1999 01:16:58 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Apr 14 18:25:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp283.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37153bab.82583081@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16505 Chris Killion wrote: >Does anyone know of a good source of bee jokes? >Thanks. Hmmm.... Why do bees hum? There's the one about the bee that went into the bar and ordered a grasshopper.... Not really a beekeeping joke page, but you might enjoy: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/youknow.htm -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From jeepers@ezaccess.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldfeed.news.gte.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jacki" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where do I begin? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:44:58 -0400 Organization: Internet Access Services/EZAccess.net (using Airnews!) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <90DFFE600CE3F64C.C77B1AE4CB767301.BC134C4A1E61DD2F@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7f3n8q$4u7@library3.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: mustang at ezaccess.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3 NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Apr 14 22:43:22 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !Y`U&07P*E&[#V8 (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16506 Hi Beekeepers, I am interested in beekeeping but I don't know where to begin. What is the best book to buy to learn more about this before I invest in the equipment? What time of year is best to start? It seems that the only sites I could find on the web were from Europe and I'm in the Northeastern U.S. Thanks, Jacki From GRASTICINI@CIUDAD.COM.AR Thu Apr 15 09:20:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!linux0.unsl.edu.ar!news.retina.ar!vnews.prima.com.ar!not-for-mail From: "GRASTICINI CECILIA" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MEDICAGO SATIVA Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:45:55 -0300 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7f31ts$pg0$1@vnews.prima.com.ar> NNTP-Posting-Host: host025022.ciudad.com.ar X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16507 I NEED SOME INFORMATION OF "ALFALFA" LATIN NAME "MEDICAGO SATIVA". IT WOULD BE GRATEFUL IF ANYONE COULD SEND ME SOME INFORMATION. THANKS A LOT, CECILIA G. From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 15 09:20:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesty bees Lines: 68 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Apr 1999 12:41:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990406084130.27824.00003051@ng118.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16508 From: "jay8345" >I own a restaurant in the midwest and I have an outside bar on the >water and my bartenders and customers are constantly harrased by bees. > What can I do to keep the bees from bothering everyone? >-- The info you provide is quite sketchy. I'm skeptical that you are talking about honeybees. Describe the "bees" and their behavior. Are they fuzzy tan or gold with indistinct stripes, or are they shiney yellow and black with distinct stripes? The shiny ones are yellow jackets, which commonly come to soft drinks and sweet foods in the late summer and fall. Do they get into drinks and food? What time of year is this occuring? Honeybees will come to honey, fairly quickly at times, when there is little flower bloom. Rarely, they will come for other sugars, when they are desperate. Yellow jackets always seek out sugar when their brood rearing ceases in late summer, and they can become bad nuisances in the fall. The introduced german yellow jacket is like a starling. It has overproduced and has few natural enemies. Sometimes thousands of them will come to dumpsters, garbage cans, and other sources of sweetened food in the fall. They can be a real pain at a fall picnic, where they get into soda cans and sting the drinkers in their mouths or throats. Yellow jackets are highly beneficial insects early in the year, when they kill a lot of pest insects. But their need for sugar to drive their wing muscles makes them a major problem later in the season. They get sugar that is secreted by the brood early in the season, but when brood rearing ends, they get frantic for sugar from other sources. Another possibility: carpenter bees. They look like huge bumblebees with a black tail instead of yellow. The drones are looking for mates and anything that moves attracts them. The females go about their work and will ignore you. The males will get "in your face" and if you move, they often mirror your movements. They cannot sting and carpenter bees are highly beneficial pollinators, so educating folks is the best solution. The mating season is early, and the "problem" will pass. Based on the limited info you give, it's probably a 95% chance you are talking about yellow jackets. If you have yellow jackets, you could place soapy water traps, early in the season, before they become a problem, to keep the populations down. Carpenter bees: Inform your customers they can't sting and educate them. You can make a game of it. Toss a pebble and the drones will chase it. They'll even chase birds. Kids love it. Honeybees: Probably a very slim chance that these are your problem, but if they are, don't expose honey, and you probably won't have them. If you have honeybees, you have a beekeeper nearby, and you might locate this keeper to see if he/she would be willing to move them elsewhere. But remember that the biggest problems with honeybees today is their shortage. About 1/3 of the food you serve in your resturant must have bees to be produced. We have a lot fewer bees today that we had a generation ago. We use them more intensively by migrating most of the commercially kept bees in the country, to move where the crops are blooming. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From abchome@webzone.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.100.32 Message-ID: <3715739A.920C53D7@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maroon Queens References: <370D32B9.4A591E39@bellsouth.net> <02oP2.141$s3.23882@news21.ispnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 89 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:05:31 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 924152849 205.219.23.10 (Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:07:29 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:07:29 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16509 As a Honeybee Queen Insiminator, I use standard surgical gloves. (but small ones) ___________________________ Real Name: wrote: > Hi, > > I've watched the local dairy farmers > getting their heifers bred . > > What kind of gloves to you use, to > artificially inseminate a bee queen ? > > Ken . > > -- > > "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf > are rent asunder, > and the Wolf courses about. > > Brothers shall fight and slay > one another; > > sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. > > It shall fare hard with the world: > great whoredom, > an axe-age, > a sword-age, > shields shall be cloven, > a wind-age, > a wolf-age, > ere the world sinks in ruin. > > No man shall spare the other." > > -- > ------------Reply Separator---------------- > On 4/9/99 10:24AM, in message > <02oP2.141$s3.23882@news21.ispnews.com>, "Anglin" > wrote: > > They are called Cordovan Bees > Saw this ad in this months Bee culture magazine... > > Cordovan Italian and Carniolan Breeder Queens > artificially inseminated > Select untested- $40 > Tested Breeders- $160 > Glenn Apiaries > PO Box 2737 > Fallbrook CA 92088 > ph/ fax (760) 728-3731 > email: queenb95@aol.com > Visit our website at http://member.aol.com/queenb95 > Sorry, no package bees. > > The web site is really good, with lots of > information about cordovan > genetics! > Good Luck! > > Ellen > > David Lynes wrote in message > news:370D32B9.4A591E39@bellsouth.net... > > I heard there was a company, I believe in Southern > California, selling > > Queens with a recessive trait--they were maroon > and yellow where other > > honeybees are black and yellow. I heard that they > were artificially > > inseminated and produce maroon brood. And if the > hive replaces the > > queen, the new queen genetically cannot produce > the maroon recessive > > trait. > > > > I cannot find the producer of these. Does anyone > on the list have any > > idea who this company is? > > > > Thanks, > > > > David Lynes > > Woodstock, GA From amschelp@pe.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Special Swarm Visist Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:14:21 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: a1p246.hem.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 924153046 143 216.100.20.246 (15 Apr 1999 05:10:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Apr 1999 05:10:46 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16510 I am very pleased to announce that a swarm visited my office parking lot today! My secretary excitedly ran into my office and informed me that she saw a mass of bees moving down the alley and she watched the mass fly across the parking lot and that the air outside the back window of the office had become thick with them. By the time I got outside, the swarm had situated itself about 15 feet up in a tree in the parking lot near the back door in a mass about double the size of a basketball. I went directly outside, of course, to see if they were an aggressive swarm, but none of them even seemed to notice me. (I was slightly disappointed). I tacked a notice on the tree: CAUTION. DO NOT DISTURB. HONEYBEES IN TREE and drew an arrow pointing upwards toward the swarm. I thought of capturing the swarm, but I did not have my gear, and the swarm was pretty high up in the tree, and they settled on some branches near the trunk so that I could not have shaken them easily into a top bar hive, nor did I have a Big Johnson bee vacuum. Excuses, excuses. I told the secretaries that the scout bees would already be in the process of scouting out new quarters for the colony, and that the bees might be there for a couple of days, but, alas, they moved on within about 2 hours. Nevertheless, this was a very special visit and one that makes me feel very privileged. From abchome@webzone.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.152.100.32 Message-ID: <37157538.603F0D6B@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Orange/red bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:12:25 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 924153228 205.219.23.10 (Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:13:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:13:48 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16511 I was called out this week to pick up a swarm of bees, When I arrived they had unfortunately landed under a truck and the truck drove off dropping and running over the majority of the bees. The bees were definitely honeybees but they were an orangish red color with 3 thin black bands. Can anyone recognize this strain?? They were not like any cordovan bees that I have seen but I would like to know what they were. Donald From lincm@htg.net Thu Apr 15 09:20:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.new-york.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!lynx.unm.edu!news.NMSU.Edu!pm3-1-189.htg.net!user From: lincm@htg.net (Lincoln Michaud ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help me identify this bee Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:36:34 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-189.htg.net X-Trace: bubba.NMSU.Edu 924172652 17864 209.136.26.189 (15 Apr 1999 10:37:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@bubba.NMSU.Edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Apr 1999 10:37:32 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16512 Well, there I was...just minden' me own buisness, painting the house, on a ladder, and this giant bee came over to investigate. I am a sometimes beekeeper, recently moved to New Mexico from the east, so was quite interested in this insect. Now this fella' could be described as the Arnold Schwartzamacallit of bees.........AND, he had an "attitude"....! Like man, this here's mah' territory, and I don't like you trespassin' ....one bit!! I tipped my head back when he hovered in front of me about 10" away, so I could get a perfect look at him thru my watcha ma focals. God, that had to one of the prettiest insects I have ever seen! I would have to describe him(maybe her) as a spunky bumblebee gone "hollywood". He had thick abdomen hair that was a greenish gold, with super polished black legs. The tips of his hair were yellow gold, giving him a velvety look. He didn't look as blocky as a bumble bee, with fore-abdomen and head slightly smaller that his stern. But his attitude....!!! If he ever entered a bee hive the guard bees would run for cover! He seemed to fly with a purpose....not wavering around like a bumble bee might do. He flew away after his first check of me and returned from a long distance like some jet fighter on a mission........hanging in front of me, as if to say..."I already gave you one warning....move it buster" I have to admit...I almost fell off the ladder... Any ideas? Lincoln (no, he didn't have an Austrian accent and he didn't say.."I'll be back") From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Apr 18 20:52:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me identify this bee Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Apr 1999 12:27:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990415082700.10072.00000932@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16513 Male carpenter bee is what comes to mind Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun Apr 18 20:52:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Soft Ware For Beekeeping Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 08:02:20 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <18321710FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3715b66f.0@mulder> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16514 In article <3715b66f.0@mulder> "John Drain" writes: > > ... software for beekeeping? I have just started playing with Excel - seems very adequate for my needs. Aaron Morris - thinking spreadsheets! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun Apr 18 20:52:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vancouver Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 08:07:17 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <183217239S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <7f3l7a$m70$1@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16515 In article <7f3l7a$m70$1@news.worldonline.nl> "roel ten klei" writes: > >Is anyone of you going to Vancouver Apimondia congress? > I've been keeping a list from BEE-L. So far it includes: Eunice Wonnacott (?) eunice.wonnacott@PEI.SYMPATICO.CA Keith Amberson EuroXboy@aol.com Matt Higdon MatHig@aol.com John Caldeira jcaldeira@earthlink.net Garland Allen countrymeadow@IBM.NET Mason Harris (?) smharris@ED.CO.SANMATEO.CA.US Bob Darrell darrells@interlog.com David Eyre info@beeworks.com Stanton A Hershman phoenix@AUG.COM Seppo Korpela seppo.korpela@mtt.fi Max Watkins max.watkins@VITA.DEMON.CO.UK Trevor Weatherhead queenbee@gil.com.au Helen Meyer windridge@headwaters.com Aaron Morris sysam@uamail.albany.edu Anyone else? Aaron Morris - thinking Vancouver in September! From fallon@hotmail.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!news2.kosone.com!abc-ri9.northcom.net From: fallon@hotmail.com (Martin Fallon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best Breed? Message-ID: <3715cb5f.165749@news.northcom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Organization: Kingston Online Services Lines: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:20:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.246.3.130 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 924174958 199.246.3.130 (Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:15:58 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:15:58 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16516 I'm thinking of requeening and wondering what is the best type of queen for my area (Ontario, Canada). Any suggestions? Thanks, Steve From shuston@riverace.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where do I begin? Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:09:11 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3715E4F7.A560A71B@riverace.com> References: <90DFFE600CE3F64C.C77B1AE4CB767301.BC134C4A1E61DD2F@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shuston.ma.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 15 Apr 1999 13:09:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16517 Hi Jacki, Jacki wrote: > > Hi Beekeepers, > I am interested in beekeeping but I don't know where to begin. What is the > best book to buy to learn more about this before I invest in the equipment? I'm pretty new myself, but I joined a bee class this spring and the book we're using is "Beekeeping: A Practical Guide" by Richard Bonney. > What time of year is best to start? It seems that the only sites I could > find on the web were from Europe and I'm in the Northeastern U.S. I'm in Massachusetts, so probably you're in the same boat as I am. I think right about now is a good time to be ready to install new hives, and local producers will be ready to ship nucs and packages now or in the next month or so. If you hurry, you can probably get started. But I'd recommend hooking up with a local beekeepers' association and hang around a mentor and his/her hives for this year and learn. Over the winter, get your equipment and get it assembled and painted, order bees for delivery next spring, and you'll be ready, having spent a year learning and getting used to the bees by hanging out with your mentor. This is a relatively conservative approach, but it gives you a way to learn about bees without rushing to get equipment prepared (which can be very time-consuming). I spent last year with my dad and his hives and learned a lot. So when I started bee school I had lots of experience to hang all the teaching on. Bees as a great activity - I hope you have fun with it too. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun Apr 18 20:52:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Breed? Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 07:41:27 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <183216C2AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3715cb5f.165749@news.northcom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16518 In article <3715cb5f.165749@news.northcom.net> fallon@hotmail.com (Martin Fallon) writes: > ... what is the best type of queen for my area (Ontario, Canada). > Any suggestions? > Regardless of location the best choice is local queens proven to do well in your area. Now, your area (Ontario) has one of the best breeding programs IN THE WORLD! Contact Medhat Nasr at Guelph University. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Sun Apr 18 20:52:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning up old WoodWare Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:45:43 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 82 Message-ID: References: <3709238a.0@news.dock.net> <01be7fc5$f9748340$4680430c@default> <7embov$p6g$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <7embov$p6g$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16519 this is a topic that interests me since i am in the middle of a project.a fellow gave me a barnful of old hive boxes, and i am slowly going thru it all and re-outfitting it. here's what i did: i got a thirty gallon plastic barrel at recyle center and installed two (2) 5000-watt, 220-volt immersion heaters from kelley's near bottom. over an empty barrel with resting board i cut out all combs from frames (melted down the wax and sent it off to turn into foundation). i filled plastic barrel with water, slowly, slowly added 3 cans of red devil lye (it's pure lye, don't use drano, it has aluminum) to water, and then turned on the heat. two burners not running at full throttle will keep a rolling boil. i attached two angle shelf brackets to a board like bookends, spaced about two inches apart. during processing i slip 7-8 frames at a time between them to hold frames in place while dipped in lye solution. wooden frames want to float, and that many at a time plus board exerts a lot of upward thrust, so i have to weight them down with several 2 x 4's, but keep them under water and they are okay. i keep them under lye solution for 3 minutes, pull them out and pile them on ground. while next batch is working i hose off last batch and box them into previously sterilized hive boxes or scrape boxes i've just removed frames from. periodically i bank the fires, so to speak, and scorch and torch the hive boxes so i'll have a supply of clean emplties to put cleaned frames into. i do the usual burn in a stack you see pictures of in abc, but i also take a propane torch (2-inch nozzle gets a wide flame) and hit the corners and rabbets (frame rests) and anything else i think might be a candidate for hiding something i don't want to find later. theory: while not discounting fact of longevity of afb spores, nor their possible survivability in lye, the fact remains that lye does dissolve wax and most spores are in the wax, so removing it from frames gets most of it out. it's called risk reduction or risk management, the same thing you do by looking both ways before crossing a street instead of running pell mell out in front of that mack truck. the same thing you do by putting on a veil and using a smoker instead of opening up a hive on a rainy day without protection. results: personally, i am very leery of afb. my bees once got into a neighboring yard that was poorly tended. i know the heartbreak of afb and the thrill of burning hives. i also keep a watchful eye on a set of hives two miles from my home yard (i'm a county inspector, and i get to look at them at least once a year.) as a county inspector in several different ohio counties i have seen it all both at hobby and sideliner levels. using this strict procedure, over the past two years i have placed some 70 boxes into service with new wiring and foundation in several different yards. results: no new cavities! i mean, no new afb. suggestions: while working over wooden ware thus, screen out, rather than screen in. if it looks like trash, it is. be sure to install 9th and 10th nails, and be sure to put in brass eyelets. you get to look over each frame at each step in the process (cutting out comb, boiling, setting nails and eyelets, wiring, installing foundation), so there's no excuse for bad equipment going out to the bee yard. but use judgment too; it's not new (although some of the stuff in that old barn i got was indeed new, but i cleaned it up anyway, just to be sure) but it has some life in it yet, and if you can get it out in the field and let the bees use it a few years the bees themselves will pay for replacement costs at recycle time. time: what is your time worth? i did a financial analysis based on time and money cost to put thirty hives into field and projected the cash stream i expect to get back over the expected lifetime of this recycled equipment. is $17 an hour net present value (a business analysis term) for rework time worth it, what do you think? Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From islapro@islapro.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!news.mad.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Recepies (hooney as one the main ingredients) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:33:47 +0200 Organization: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3715A46B.30868C8E@islapro.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip247.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B2652B800C93ECD5CCA8C12D" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16520 Este es un mensaje multipartes en formato MIME. --------------B2652B800C93ECD5CCA8C12D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would appreciated recepies that use hooney as one of the main ingredients (which I will keep them posted for any one to use). In the arabian countries one of their "delicacies" is "roasted lamb, honey with dates". --------------B2652B800C93ECD5CCA8C12D Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Tarjeta de Jose Matas Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Jose Matas n: Matas;Jose org: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. adr: Bdo. de Santa Eugenia, 14;;;Santa Maria;Mallorca;07320;SPAIN email;internet: islapro@islapro.com title: marketing tel;work: 971-620-115 tel;fax: 971-140-870 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------B2652B800C93ECD5CCA8C12D-- From beestingz@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beestingz@aol.com (Beestingz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moldy Drawn Comb Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Apr 1999 17:20:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7er5vp$2hv$1@sword.avalon.net> Message-ID: <19990415132045.14518.00000795@ng136.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16521 You'll be amazed at how nice they will clean those frames up. You won't reconize them in a few days From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Soft Ware For Beekeeping Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 19:39:15 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 98 Message-ID: References: <3715b66f.0@mulder> <18321710FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.80 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:40:59 GMT X-Trace: 924208859.278.64 KRFRRPH9I9850CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16522 Hi, I despise Microsoft . Big-time . But, I recommend people go with Microsoft Office Professional . The "Professional" means it has "Access", and gives you a TON of templates, for receipts, bills, bills of lading, what all . It's not cheap . And rumor has it, that the 1995 version is better than all since, but go check it out . Personally, I have a copy of Quicken6 Deluxe For Windows . I'm very unhappy with it . It is designed to be usable by IQs in the single digits, and it's a darn nuisance trying to manage my compartmentalized style of paper losing . I hear good reports on "Quickbooks", Intuit's small business version of "Quicken", I sent for their free trial version, but I haven't installed it yet . Probably won't for awhile . I'm a fan of spreadsheets, and if you take a good DP professional-intended college spreadsheet course, you can get almost anything out of a spreadsheet . But, you reach a point of diminishing returns before you realize it, with a spreadsheet . Better, to let THEM do as much as practical, and not "re-invent the wheel" more than necessary . You will certainly wince, at the price of "Office", but three years from now, you'll wonder why people have computers, and try to use them without MSOffice . What people tell me . Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/15/99 5:02AM, in message <18321710FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, Aaron Morris wrote: In article <3715b66f.0@mulder> "John Drain" writes: > > ... software for beekeeping? I have just started playing with Excel - seems very adequate for my needs. Aaron Morris - thinking spreadsheets! From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!WCG!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 19:39:20 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 85 Message-ID: References: <370519E9.6AB0CF11@algonet.se> <3707B14B.11E38F3D@islapro.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.80 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:41:03 GMT X-Trace: 924208863.991.36 KRFRRPH9I9850CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16523 Hi, Bee-tter yet, what adhesives could a guy use, that would let us take flat sheets of styrofoam insulation and turn them into hives, or at least winter protection for wooden hives ? Most adhesives I know of, would kill everything that breathed them, especially ME . Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/4/99 11:36AM, in message <3707B14B.11E38F3D@islapro.com>, islapro wrote: Could you post some addresses of the manufacturers on the Styrofoam hives so we can try them around here (Mallorca, Spain) and see how they work in this climate. P-O Gustafsson escribió: > > Styrofoam hives work very well in cold climates. They don't warp, > swell, or rot as wood does. They will not absorb water and get mouldy > in winter. The weight of a hive is less than half of wood, and you save > your back working with them. 40 mm styrofoam provides insulation > and no other wrapping is needed in winter. In summer they will not get > heated up by the sun so easily as wooden boxes without insulation, and > thus save the bees work to cool down hive. > > A majority of commercial beekeeper use styrofoam hives here, and > many hobbyists too. > > See them at my homepage. > > -- > Regards > > P-O Gustafsson, Sweden > beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ From honeybs@radix.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What happened? Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:35:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7f5qhi$hpr$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <3714A865.20286C92@riverace.com> <19990415125657.14518.00000793@ng136.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16524 beestingz@aol.com (Beestingz) wrote: >I use linseed oil on my hives and have never had that problem. I would have >though that installing the package late in the day would have possibly solved >the problem. But they make a good point about the extra queen. I'll have to >keep that in mind. When they shake packages a queen finder goes ahead of the shaking crew and puts the frame with the queen to the side. However a virgin queen that has been let loose by opening up the hive can be missed and shaken in. She is the accepted queen by the bees do to her relatedness. If bees are trying to swarm but conditions are not right to leave, the bees hold the queen cell cap closed until the time is right to keep the new queens from fighting. That is why you can, on occasion, open a hive and have queens hatching everywhere all at once. It is quite a sight! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me identify this bee Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:44:35 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Apr 1999 00:47:50 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 15 17:55:15 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 36 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust146.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <371687F3.4B83@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16525 Lincoln Michaud wrote: > > Well, there I was...just minden' me own buisness, painting the house, on a > ladder, and this giant bee came over to investigate. I am a sometimes > beekeeper, recently moved to New Mexico from the east, so was quite > interested in this insect. Now this fella' could be described as the > Arnold Schwartzamacallit of bees.........AND, he had an "attitude"....! > Like man, this here's mah' territory, and I don't like you trespassin' > ....one bit!! > > I tipped my head back when he hovered in front of me about 10" away, so I > could get a perfect look at him thru my watcha ma focals. God, that had to > one of the prettiest insects I have ever seen! I would have to describe > him(maybe her) as a spunky bumblebee gone "hollywood". He had thick > abdomen hair that was a greenish gold, with super polished black legs. The > tips of his hair were yellow gold, giving him a velvety look. He didn't > look as blocky as a bumble bee, with fore-abdomen and head slightly > smaller that his stern. > > But his attitude....!!! If he ever entered a bee hive the guard bees > would run for cover! He seemed to fly with a purpose....not wavering > around like a bumble bee might do. He flew away after his first check of > me and returned from a long distance like some jet fighter on a > mission........hanging in front of me, as if to say..."I already gave you > one warning....move it buster" > > I have to admit...I almost fell off the ladder... > > Any ideas? > > Lincoln > > (no, he didn't have an Austrian accent and he didn't say.."I'll be back") Sounds like an April Fools bee to me but it is a little late. If you can find its home check the size of the cells. I've heard of some the size of shot glasses in your area. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Good day Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:58:35 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Apr 1999 01:01:52 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 15 18:05:16 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust146.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37168B3B.1967@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16526 I got a call this morning about a swarm about 25 feet up in a oak tree. Did I want it? You bet I went right after it. I used my home made bee vac(untested) standing on a ladder in the back of mu pickup truck. I got all of the bees except for about half a cup in less than twenty minutes and only killed about 5 or 6 bees. They were transfered to their new home and immediately took up with it. The swarm was about 4 or 5 lbs. I inspected my hive that had droan layers or a sad unmated queen. I shook the bees last Thursday and gave a new queen. She was out of the cage today and laying. I expect the hive to make honey because there are so many bees in it. It swarmed several times a few weeks ago and had very few bees left. Last Tuesday a week ago I was told I had a swarm on a pine tree in front of the hive but three hours later it was gone and when I inspected the hive later in the week it had loads of bees but no queen. Do you recon the swarm joined with the hive and they killed the queen? Anyhow it is fine now. Don From griffes@my-dejanews.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Breed? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:20:08 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7f66oh$nkg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3715cb5f.165749@news.northcom.net> <183216C2AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.39 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 16 02:20:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16527 In article <183216C2AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > In article <3715cb5f.165749@news.northcom.net> > fallon@hotmail.com (Martin Fallon) writes: > > > ... what is the best type of queen for my area (Ontario, Canada). > > Any suggestions? > > > Regardless of location the best choice is local queens proven to do well > in your area. Now, your area (Ontario) has one of the best breeding > programs IN THE WORLD! Contact Medhat Nasr at Guelph University. > Aaron, I believe Medhat works for the province not for the University of Guelph - but Gard Otis at the University can certainly steer you to the Ontario Bee Breeders Association though I bet you can find them simply enough by searching the web. Seems to me I ran across a list of the bee breeders in Ontario possibly on the Provincial website??? Run a search. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting -Hives Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:02:47 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> <7f1v2k$lkv$2@news1.Radix.Net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Apr 1999 01:06:02 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 15 18:15:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust146.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37168C37.74E2@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16528 honeybs wrote: > > "Wayne Anderson" wrote: > > >What is the best way to split a hive? > > C3 works real well :) > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > Sounds like this person has a serious question but is taken lightly. I like to shoot mites with a BB gun but only after a serious question is answered. From rwnelson@cableone.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What happened? Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:01:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7f69f1$36q$1@remarQ.com> References: <3714A865.20286C92@riverace.com> <19990415125657.14518.00000793@ng136.aol.com> <7f5qhi$hpr$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.47 X-Trace: 924231969 DX3JXEXMCF 2F1874C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16529 >If bees are trying to swarm but conditions are not right to >leave, the bees hold the queen cell cap closed until the >time is right to keep the new queens from fighting. That is >why you can, on occasion, open a hive and have queens >hatching everywhere all at once. It is quite a sight! > >Greg the beekeep I saw this very thing while making nucs in Tx a couple weeks ago. Hive had apparently swarmed as there were no eggs. Probably only the old queen and one swarm had left as there were still gobs of bees in hive (and find the old queen I couldn't). Saw a virgin on a frame and set her aside, gotta be careful 'cause they will fly off. While going back through frames of brood to make nucs I found 3 more virgins and made each one into a nuc. The only thing I don't like about queening a colony with swarm cell or in this case virgin (and this goes for you swarm catchers also) is that swarming is hereditary and you're just selecting for it by doing this. If you have a nice strong hive that should be swarming, when others are, she's the one to select queen stock from. Bob in NE From pollinator@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: old honey and varoa Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Apr 1999 11:31:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3711d83e.608667@news.northcom.net> Message-ID: <19990412073140.04136.00002773@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16530 From: fallon@hotmail.com (Martin Fallon) >I have a colony that died out over the winter -- I forgot to place the >Apistan strips in when I winterized it and believe this was the >downfall. Now I am left with a standard brood size super full of >honey. What can I do with it? Is it too late to extract it for >personal use? If I treat the dead colony with formic acid to kill the >resident mites would I be able to use the comb and honey again in >another colony? It would be a waste to chuck both drawn comb and >honey. You can extract it or use it to get a new colony going fast. Don't worry about mites; they die with the bees. Drifting drones will reinfect the new hive after awhile, but the bees will not get mites from the equipment. One thing you CAN get from equipment is American Foulbrood disease. If the deadout was caused by this, you need to burn the equipment. Since this has no effect on humans, you can extract and use the honey first. Don't let the honey be robbed out of the deadout by other bees, though. To determine if your loss was from AFB, you need to make a careful inspection for scale. If you don't know how, have a state inspector or an experienced beekeeper check. Or look at the photo of comb with scale at The Pollination Home Page. It's listed under things to check when buying used equipment. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's Big Johnson ????? Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Apr 1999 11:38:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990411224517.12165.00001843@ng-fb1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990412073805.04136.00002779@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16531 From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) >Had a couple of folks to writ an ask if'n i wuz under tha weather. >Naw i ain't , jus knee deep in bees >12 hives swarmed before i could split, got all but 1 All uz folks in the southeast are bustin' our butts right now, so we may be quieter than usual. There was a swarmy spell earlier, but it seems over for now. Now they are getting a whale of a flow, and we're haulin' out supers, probably too late for some. Every year they go from starvation to plugup, practically overnight, so we should have been prepared...... Right? Boy what a sticky job. Nectar all over my pant legs and shoes. Everytime I jiggle a frame, bees get drowned. Complain.....complain.......complain! ;o) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide and Bees Lines: 79 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Apr 1999 12:00:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990412080000.04136.00002801@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16532 From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) >I'm hoping to start a hive here in a few weeks, in our smallish back yard. > >We have quite a few perennials, which I usually treat with insecticide >every several weeks. Will doing this in the same yard, but not actually >close to the bees, harm them? Insecticide use won't harm them; it's MISuse that does the damage. Let me explain: All insecticides that are hazardous to bees will have specific bee directions on the label. These prohibit application when foraging bees will be impacted. All the protection the bees need is contained in the label directions, and these directions are the law for the particular pesticide. Do the bees visit the blossoms on your perennials? If there are no blossoms, or bees do not visit, you need not worry. Just make sure the insecticide does not drift to other blossoms (like clover in the lawn). The label directions would not apply. If there are blossoms that bees are visiting, read the label carefully. Some insecticides kill by direct contact; some by contaminating the food supply; some both. Most modern pesticides break down fairly quickly and have little long term effect. Some of the older organophosphates, and Sevin, have long residual lives. If the label says it is toxic to bees by direct application (no mention of residual effect) then use the material late in the day, after you check to make sure bees are no longer visiting. If the label says it has residual effects, you need to consider whether bees will be poisoned when they come in the next time. I work with vegetables a lot. Some, like squash, only bloom one day, and an application after bees are done (and blossoms closed) will not impact the next day, because the contaminated blossoms will be gone and new uncontaminated blossoms will be open. If you contaminate blossoms that will continue to be open the next day, you will poison bees then, and perhaps for several days more, depending in the life of the product and the bloom. You also would be in violation of the label directions, and would therefore be misusing the chemical (subject to citation, liability, etc.) The standard method used by many applicators on farms and for public spraying projects is to notify the beekeepers and tell them to protect their bees. This is an evasion of the label directions and is another form of misuse. The pesticide advisors who make this recommendation are also liable for making a recommendation of misuse. I thank you for your concern. It is good that you are contemplating keeping bees. If more pesticide users had their own bees, they would learn more about the requirements that are necessary to protect them. I face a frequent battle with cotton applicators (who think they don't need bees) though there will be bees in the adjacent watermelon patch), and with public mosquito applications. I carry a camcorder. When I see an application on something blooming that bees are visiting, and I believe it is likely to be a pesticide that carrys the bee-protection directions, I record the event, then record the bees visiting the blossoms, and report it as a suspected violation. The pesticide regulators can then get a copy of the label to see if the application was in violation. They are reluctant to enforce the law (the pesticide industry gives big dollars to Clemson, which is the source of pesticide enforcement, and the industry doesn't want to be bothered with bees, or they want to pass on the responsibility to the beekeepers). But, when presented with concrete video evidence, the enforcement people have issued citations, and, in one case, a $1500 fine. I think this is causing a little bit more care in applications, but it is still not enough care. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter bees? Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Apr 1999 12:06:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <371035ed.606378491@news.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <19990412080638.04136.00002812@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16533 >What are the bees(?) that look like bumble bees, and chew holes in >wooden structures, which they enter? They hover around quite a lot, >and interact with other ones when they happen along. These are carpenter bees. The females go about their business; they are valuable pollinators. The hovering ones are drones, and they are attempting to mate. They will chase anything that flies, even small birds or pebbles that you toss. > They also catch >small insects...I'm guessing to feed the young that they are putting in the >holes. I've noticed that there are at least 2 types: those with a white dot >on their face, and those without. The ones with the dot cannot sting, >but the ones without it can--learned by experience :-( Are they male and >female versions of the same animal? Yes. Every female is a queen, with her own nest. Males are drones. > Why are they only around at the >beginning of the summer, and not all the time? Our southeastern species is in the dormant life forms later in the season, which is probably a good thing. They are the only pollinator that is still abundant, because they are not on the cotton blossoms when they spray. Other species in other areas, I've been told, are active all summer. Do all you can to protect them. They do some cosmetic damage to buildings. If you want to keep them away from a particular spot, remember that they prefer unpainted wood, so a provision of what they need, combined with painting what YOU need, usually will forestall problems. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From parkin@avalon.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.106.34!avalon.net!not-for-mail From: "parker-simkin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plastic foundation Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:23:06 -0500 Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7er73h$322$1@sword.avalon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v90-74.ic.avalon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16534 I don't like it. I don't use it, as a matter of fact, I just threw a bunch in the trash. The stuff seems okay at first, but it the bees won't fool with it if there are wood frames near it. Broad temperature changes such as winter, cause the wax to separate from the plastic, which results in the bees staying away from it. Further, >from a practical standpoint, when the frame has been in the hive and it gets all stuck down with propolis, the damn top bars break all to pieces, when you try to pry them out with a hive tool. On a medical level: There is a lot of research being published now concerning the degradation of plastic when it comes in contact with food and the effects of those plastic componants on human health. See Consumer reports - maybe Summer of 1998, not sure exactly. I won't package my honey in plastic, therefore I won't let my bees raise it on plastic. It's not what nature intended. Doug Simkin, Iowa City From parkin@avalon.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.106.34!avalon.net!not-for-mail From: "parker-simkin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moldy Drawn Comb Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:04:01 -0500 Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7er5vp$2hv$1@sword.avalon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v90-74.ic.avalon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16535 I've been getting ready for the new season - much too late I know - but I'm finding that the frames I extracted last summer have grown moldy over the winter. Can I still use them? Would a queen lay brood in moldy wax? Would workers clean it out? Could it be used for honey supers, or would that be a health concern? My new nuks are coming in two weeks, and if I can't use the frames I have, I'll to make up hundreds of new ones, without drawn comb and disadvantage all of these bees from the start. From ian@hodkinson.force9.co.uk Sun Apr 18 20:52:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!uchinews2!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!landlord!wards.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ogg" Subject: Re: bee keeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7eqdpg$l0f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <371118C5.DDFB0E6F@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <01be851b$83851220$ac82a6c3@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:41:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.130.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards 923946065 195.166.130.172 (Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:41:05 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:41:05 BST Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16536 My bees arrive at the same time (Here in England)....I too am a newcomer. I`ll Keep in touch (Where are you situated ) ogg > hue wrote: > > > My Bees will be here around May 3. I think I'm ready. Any last minute > > thoughts that may help me out? > > > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > > From killion@mindspring.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Killion Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee humor Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:40:26 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37124C2A.A17E6DAA@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.c0.05.f8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 12 Apr 1999 20:34:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16537 Does anyone know of a good source of bee jokes? Thanks. From harrisonrw@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor plans ??? Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 1999 02:56:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <924183254.968.11@news.remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19990415225621.29257.00001300@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16538 Bill if you would like I could scan some plans that I have and send them to you via e-mail. Regards, Ralph Western CT Beekeepers Association From cde049@airmail.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!worldfeed.news.gte.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee keeping Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:10:42 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 15 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7f69qb$9i6@library.airnews.net> References: <7eqdpg$l0f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <371118C5.DDFB0E6F@sympatico.ca> <01be851b$83851220$ac82a6c3@default> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Apr 15 22:12:11 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: ![^A^1k-Xjjs_N` (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16539 I guess I'll join this club my first two hives arrive at the same time here in Dallas Texas USA. Cliff >My bees arrive at the same time (Here in England)....I too am a newcomer. >I`ll Keep in touch (Where are you situated ) > >ogg >> hue wrote: >> >> > My Bees will be here around May 3. I think I'm ready. Any last minute >> > thoughts that may help me out? >> > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vancouver Date: Fri, 16 Apr 99 03:13:00 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <7f3l7a$m70$1@news.worldonline.nl> <183217239S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <7f6456$ltl$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.148 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:14:40 GMT X-Trace: 924236080.053.89 KRFRRPH9I9894CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16540 Hi, Just tell em your unemployed . No more spam . Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/15/99 11:01AM, in message <7f6456$ltl$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: Aaron, I can't believe you did that. Most people try to spam-block their e-mail identity on Usenet. The spam bots will have a field day with your post. Thinking spam sucks! Aaron Morris wrote in message news:183217239S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu... > In article <7f3l7a$m70$1@news.worldonline.nl> > "roel ten klei" writes: > > > > >Is anyone of you going to Vancouver Apimondia congress? > > > > I've been keeping a list from BEE-L. So far it includes: > > Anyone else? > > Aaron Morris - thinking Vancouver in September! From lincm@htg.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!lynx.unm.edu!news.NMSU.Edu!pm3-1-181.htg.net!user From: lincm@htg.net (Lincoln Michaud ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me identify this bee Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:12:24 -0600 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <371687F3.4B83@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-181.htg.net X-Trace: bubba.NMSU.Edu 924236002 16775 209.136.26.181 (16 Apr 1999 04:13:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@bubba.NMSU.Edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Apr 1999 04:13:22 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16541 Lincoln wrote, > > > > I have to admit...I almost fell off the ladder... > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Lincoln > > > > (no, he didn't have an Austrian accent and he didn't say.."I'll be back") Workerbee wrote, > Sounds like an April Fools bee to me but it is a little late. If you can > find its home check the size of the cells. I've heard of some the size > of shot glasses in your area. Well, I don't know about the size of shot glasses, but I wouldn't want to be driving a motorcycle bareheaded at 60mps and have one of these catch me in the eye-socket.......that would make for some interesting navigation. I have kept an eye open(the other one) for more sightings and did see a similar acting bee that flew by at a distance. He was decidedly black, so other than a similar flight path, I haven't much to compare. I like photography, so if I ever find another one of these bees, I will try to capture him and put him in the freezer, if I can't keep him alive with honey and pollen. If I hadn't gotten such a close perfect look at "Mr. Hollywood" I probably wouldn't have paid much attention. If I do get one, I'll take a picture of him and put it up on a web site, so you guys will know that I wasn't fooling. Lincoln From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!europa.netcrusader.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Apr 1999 23:38:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990415193845.29266.00001119@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16542 > > Bee-tter yet, what adhesives could a >guy use, that would let us take flat sheets >of styrofoam insulation and turn them into >hiv good ole white elmers glue Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jamesd@xcelco.on.ca Sun Apr 18 20:52:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "David James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Jars Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:37:46 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7f7avo$pup$1@east42.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.167.188.254 X-Trace: 924266296 0YD664MXXBCFED1A7C east42.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16543 Can anyone suggest a place where I can buy plastic honey jars or containers? I wish to purchase them from a manufacturer and not a retail store. From jimowen@swbell.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37172B36.618BAB66@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen Organization: OWEN Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where do I begin? References: <90DFFE600CE3F64C.C77B1AE4CB767301.BC134C4A1E61DD2F@library-proxy.airnews.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:21:10 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.58.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 924264991 151.164.58.216 (Fri, 16 Apr 1999 05:16:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 05:16:31 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16544 Jacki wrote: > > Hi Beekeepers, > I am interested in beekeeping but I don't know where to begin. What is the > best book to buy to learn more about this before I invest in the equipment? There are several good books: ABCs and XYZs, Hive and the Honeybee, and even a few real simple (and cheap) pamphlets probably available from your local Agriculture Office. If you don't want to invest, try the public library. Steve Houston's reply, to hang around with another beekeeper, is right on track too. That way, you can learn from other peoples' mistakes (You can't possibly live long enough to make them all yourself!) > What time of year is best to start? Now is as good a time as any. The later in the year you start, the less probability they will survive the winter (without supplemental feeding). It seems that the only sites I could > find on the web were from Europe and I'm in the Northeastern U.S. The bees don't know they're not in Europe. Any information you get off the net (with the exception of "labeled treatments") is probably applicable to your area, if modified for your particular climate. Later, Jim > Thanks, > Jacki From bill_daniels@bellsouth.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3717606C.67658310@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: Child's Beekeeper Suit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:08:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-198-19.mem.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:08:14 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16545 Has anyone's child outgrown their need for a child-sized bee suit. I would like to get my son, who is 7 years old, a USED beekeeper's suit on the order of the Sherriff suit advertised by Brushy Mountain in the U.S. I live near Memphis, TN, USA but would of course pay shipping for the right deal. Thanks, Bill Daniels From gothoney@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding local beekeepers Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 1999 18:43:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990416144355.16042.00001438@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16546 I put new beekeepers to work in my yards! My yards are in the Saratoga, NY region. From gothoney@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do I say? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 1999 18:48:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37083C5F.31FB0DD@webzone.net> Message-ID: <19990416144856.16042.00001443@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16547 I have a slide presentation that I would sell. Include the bloom sequence for your area, makes a great question/response technique to help listeners get involved! From w8864@midwest.net Sun Apr 18 20:52:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attracting wild bees???? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:05:04 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <924289660.142.57@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.56.37 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:07:40 GMT X-Trace: 924289660.142.57 JF3D7GB4M3825D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16548 I live out in the country and don't recall anyone raising bees around here. I see lots of bees in the yard and woods and figured they are wild. Is there some way I can get these bees to come to a new hive if I set one up. Is there a scent that I could spray on my hive to draw them to it. thanx bill From gothoney@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:52:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Slide presentation Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 1999 18:41:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990416144102.16042.00001436@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16549 Copies of a slide presentation for sale. I use it in schools earning $ for 50 minute presentations. E-mail me at gothoney@aol.com From galbertin@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:53:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: galbertin@aol.com (GAlbertin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Advise.... Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 1999 20:46:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990416164614.13863.00001689@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16550 I'll start with a little history: I've been out of beekeeping for about 5 years and last year I got the urge to start again. Built a new hive...all new woodenware and ordered a 5lb package last spring. All went well and as a protection agains mites I feed the bees all summer and fall long with sugar syrup and spearmint oil. They went into the winter here in upstate New York with two deep hive bodies full of honey. I did not see (like I really would know) any signs of the dreaded mite. Good strong hive and lots of honey for the winter. Very early this spring I did a quick check to see if they were alive...a quick pop the top showed bees...not sure how many as it was still quite cold. So I was content, even excited. Last week when I was going to switch hive bodies there were only a handfull of bees and 12 or more frames full of honey. Only one small patch (about the size of a half dollar) of mold, the hive was dry, no larva and dead bees through out the hive...not a pile on the bottom board. Has this happened to others? I've got two more packages coming in a few weeks and don't want to repeat my mistakes....any advise would be helpful. e-mail me direct.....thanks Jerry From rwnelson@cableone.net Sun Apr 18 20:53:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!newsrouter.icnc.com!europa.clark.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.251.183.12!newsfeed.corridex.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attracting wild bees???? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:26:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <924297757.283.19@news.remarQ.com> References: <924289660.142.57@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.53 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:22:37 GMT X-Trace: 924297757.283.19 DX3JXEXMC0F351874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16551 Bill wrote in message <924289660.142.57@news.remarQ.com>... Mann Lake http://www.mannlakeltd.com has on page 25 of their catalog item HD-376 fo $2.95 pack of 2 Swarm Lure. These are pheromes (natural chemicals by which bees communicate) which will be highly attractive to scout bees in swarms. Also available is item HD-375 Swarm Traps which are $13.95 @ which are like the fiber covers sold in nurseries to cover roses for the winter. These are used as swarm traps as they mimic the space bees find suitable with swarming to establish a new home. If you are seeing honeybees in your area, it is rather unlikely in this day that they are feral i.e. wild. Most of the feral honeybees have vanished due to infestations of the 2 mites. There are probably managed colonies you don't know about within perhaps up to 2-3 miles of where you're seeing the bees. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Apr 18 20:53:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attracting wild bees???? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 99 19:09:27 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <924289660.142.57@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.101 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:11:05 GMT X-Trace: 924293465.525.51 KRFRRPH9I1C65CF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16552 Hi, Y'no, he has a point . Where do wild bees hive-up in flat country ? Do they have wild bees in Kansas ? You get the most interesting questions off the internet . Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/16/99 12:05PM, in message <924289660.142.57@news.remarQ.com>, "Bill" wrote: I live out in the country and don't recall anyone raising bees around here. I see lots of bees in the yard and woods and figured they are wild. Is there some way I can get these bees to come to a new hive if I set one up. Is there a scent that I could spray on my hive to draw them to it. thanx bill From gothoney@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:53:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Raw honey Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 1999 18:37:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990416143724.16039.00001233@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16553 Need a good well researched article on the virtues of raw honey for my health food store customers, any suggestions? From gothoney@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:53:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gothoney@aol.com (Got honey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in blocks Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Apr 1999 18:47:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990416144712.16042.00001440@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16554 Can't get queen but many other bees, yes! From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Apr 18 20:53:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!worldfeed.news.gte.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newspeer1.nac.net!WCG!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Advise.... Date: Fri, 16 Apr 99 22:27:43 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 91 Message-ID: References: <19990416164614.13863.00001689@ng-fa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.108 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:29:22 GMT X-Trace: 924305362.575.44 KRFRRPH9I1C6CCF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16555 Hi, THIS IS THE SAME EXPERIENCE I HAD THIS YEAR !!! I checked them late in the winter, when we had a warm spell, and even added a super . They were as busy as bees, foraging in the break we almost always get in February, before summer sets in, starting about july, in Washington . Settled the new colony last week, and while I was at it, looked in on the well established one . Just what you describe . Not so much honey, but plenty, and I did have bees on the bottom board, though there were numerous ones on the tops of the frames . I laid it to vandalism, but if other people are experiencing this, I wonder . I've been hearing about a commercial product outlawed for decades, that kills bees with disease, just as they kill ants, by infecting foragers, and let them take the plague back to the (ant)nest . But the patent holders bought new laws that gave them the right to sell these plagues when the bee keepers were distracted with other disasters, and now we have more problems than ever . So far, it's JUST A RUMOR, but now I wonder ... Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/16/99 1:46PM, in message <19990416164614.13863.00001689@ng-fa1.aol.com>, GAlbertin wrote: I'll start with a little history: I've been out of beekeeping for about 5 years and last year I got the urge to start again. Built a new hive...all new woodenware and ordered a 5lb package last spring. All went well and as a protection agains mites I feed the bees all summer and fall long with sugar syrup and spearmint oil. They went into the winter here in upstate New York with two deep hive bodies full of honey. I did not see (like I really would know) any signs of the dreaded mite. Good strong hive and lots of honey for the winter. Very early this spring I did a quick check to see if they were alive...a quick pop the top showed bees...not sure how many as it was still quite cold. So I was content, even excited. Last week when I was going to switch hive bodies there were only a handfull of bees and 12 or more frames full of honey. Only one small patch (about the size of a half dollar) of mold, the hive was dry, no larva and dead bees through out the hive...not a pile on the bottom board. Has this happened to others? I've got two more packages coming in a few weeks and don't want to repeat my mistakes....any advise would be helpful. e-mail me direct.....thanks Jerry From lithar@midwest.net Sun Apr 18 20:53:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.111.230.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: Child's Beekeeper Suit Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:25:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3717FF14.39FF@midwest.net> References: <3717606C.67658310@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.19 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:30:58 GMT X-Trace: 924319858.231.89 JF3D7GB4M1C13D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16556 bill_daniels@bellsouth.net wrote: > > Has anyone's child outgrown their need for a child-sized bee suit. I > would like to get my son, who is 7 years old, a USED beekeeper's suit on > the order of the Sherriff suit advertised by Brushy Mountain in the > U.S. I live near Memphis, TN, USA but would of course pay shipping for > the right deal. > > Thanks, > > Bill Daniels My 11 yr old daughter wears adult size Tyvec coveralls. She uses a belt to hold the bottom (pants) portion up and lets the remaining upper portion drape back down over the belt. It worked great last year and the suit is still in good condition for another year. The coveralls can be had at Home Depot and run around $10 or so. I'm trying to picture my 7 yr old son in that get-up. It might be a bit too big, but for the el-cheapo price I wouldn't hesitate to do some trimming. AL From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun Apr 18 20:53:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where do I begin? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:50:36 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <90DFFE600CE3F64C.C77B1AE4CB767301.BC134C4A1E61DD2F@library-proxy.airnews.net> <37172B36.618BAB66@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb106-05.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 924321084 2683093 209.156.120.189 (17 Apr 1999 03:51:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Apr 1999 03:51:24 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16557 In article <37172B36.618BAB66@swbell.net>, Jim Owen wrote: > Jacki wrote: > > > > Hi Beekeepers, > > I am interested in beekeeping but I don't know where to begin. What is the > > best book to buy to learn more about this before I invest in the equipment? I'm a beginner and am finding Dadant's "First Lessons in Beekeeping," available for about 6 bucks, to be very informative. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From griffes@my-dejanews.com Sun Apr 18 20:53:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attracting wild bees???? Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:27:17 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7f963f$amb$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <924289660.142.57@news.remarQ.com> <924297757.283.19@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 17 05:27:17 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16558 In article <924297757.283.19@news.remarQ.com>, "Bob Nelson" wrote: > > Bill wrote in message <924289660.142.57@news.remarQ.com>... > > Mann Lake http://www.mannlakeltd.com has on page 25 of their catalog item > HD-376 fo $2.95 pack of 2 Swarm Lure. These are pheromes (natural chemicals > by which bees communicate) which will be highly attractive to scout bees in > swarms. Also available is item HD-375 Swarm Traps which are $13.95 @ which > are like the fiber covers sold in nurseries to cover roses for the winter. > These are used as swarm traps as they mimic the space bees find suitable > with swarming to establish a new home. > If you are seeing honeybees in your area, it is rather unlikely in this day > that they are feral i.e. wild. Most of the feral honeybees have vanished > due to infestations of the 2 mites. There are probably managed colonies you > don't know about within perhaps up to 2-3 miles of where you're seeing the > bees. You got that right Bob!!! But if ya ask me the easiest way to "attract" bees to a hive you set up at home is "send a check/money order with your order for a package to be delivered via mail." Lots more of a sure thing too. 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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:11:56 -0500 Organization: none Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7fa8bt$b78$1@news.campuscwix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: s05-pm70.snaustel.campuscwix.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16559 Hi, I just installed my package bees and it just so happened that a cold spell appeared the same time. The temperatures around the mid forties. How can I make sure that my bees are able to get to the sugar water and not freeze at the same time?? Any help would be appreciated................Thanks! 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------=_NextPart_000_032B_01BE8931.F48AEA20-- From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Apr 18 20:53:12 EDT 1999 Article: 16565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maroon Queens Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 19:25:59 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 87 Message-ID: References: <370D32B9.4A591E39@bellsouth.net> <02oP2.141$s3.23882@news21.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.106 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:27:45 GMT X-Trace: 924121665.761.79 KRFRRPH9I1C6ACF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16565 Hi, I've watched the local dairy farmers getting their heifers bred . What kind of gloves to you use, to artificially inseminate a bee queen ? Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/9/99 10:24AM, in message <02oP2.141$s3.23882@news21.ispnews.com>, "Anglin" wrote: They are called Cordovan Bees Saw this ad in this months Bee culture magazine... Cordovan Italian and Carniolan Breeder Queens artificially inseminated Select untested- $40 Tested Breeders- $160 Glenn Apiaries PO Box 2737 Fallbrook CA 92088 ph/ fax (760) 728-3731 email: queenb95@aol.com Visit our website at http://member.aol.com/queenb95 Sorry, no package bees. The web site is really good, with lots of information about cordovan genetics! Good Luck! Ellen David Lynes wrote in message news:370D32B9.4A591E39@bellsouth.net... > I heard there was a company, I believe in Southern California, selling > Queens with a recessive trait--they were maroon and yellow where other > honeybees are black and yellow. I heard that they were artificially > inseminated and produce maroon brood. And if the hive replaces the > queen, the new queen genetically cannot produce the maroon recessive > trait. > > I cannot find the producer of these. Does anyone on the list have any > idea who this company is? > > Thanks, > > David Lynes > Woodstock, GA From griffes@my-dejanews.com Sun Apr 18 20:53:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting -Hives Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:47:23 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7f979a$bhp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 17 05:47:23 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.50 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16566 In article <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Wayne Anderson" wrote: > What is the best way to split a hive? The "best way" depends on what purpose you have in mind for the hive afterward, the time you have to get it done, and how many hives you need to get split in that time frame. I assume you are talking about just splitting a single hive - "a hive" is what you asked about. Let's then go on to assume you keep bees for the sheer joy of it and you just want to end the season with two hives instead of one - that is "the purpose you have in mind." 1) decide when the split will be made 2) order two queens to arrive on that day 3) 4 days prior to split date put excluder between each hive body in stack 4) day of split look for eggs - that is the body the old queen is in - find her and kill her OR cage her to use as a back-up 5) now equally distribute brood and stores and set one half down on a new bottom board 6) move both units about 2-3 feet away from parent stand in opposite directions - to the side OR butt 'em both up tight together half of each entrance where old entrance sat 7) close up 8) sleep well 9) next day use candy release cage to install both new queens in the two units - one in each put down in brood area with screen facing down so the girl don't drown if you smash some honey - candy end tilted somewhat up so dead attendants (if you left them in) fall away from cage entrance instead of clogging it 10) wait one week 11) in a week go check that both queens are now released and laying - remove queen cages - space frames properly 12) enjoy your two hives -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From Cliff@cherry75.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 18 20:53:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Cliff Stanton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Nice to Mother Nature Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:39:01 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7f9kdm$eqf$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7eleao$ip3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <25161-370F6D3E-23@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-46.zidovudine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 924341494 15183 62.136.94.174 (17 Apr 1999 09:31:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Apr 1999 09:31:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16567 Thanks to all for your comments, Now I know that they aren't a problem I am happy to leave them and observe. Cliff From bill_the_drifter@yahoo.com Sun Apr 18 20:53:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Bill Stavropoulos" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any programs about Beekeeping? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:51:25 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Message-ID: <7f9p3g$iik$1@ns1.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kast-a03.otenet.gr X-Trace: ns1.otenet.gr 924346288 19028 195.167.125.210 (17 Apr 1999 10:51:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Apr 1999 10:51:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16568 From cam@rsc.anu.edu.au Sun Apr 18 20:53:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:07:03 +1000 From: cam@rsc.anu.edu.au (Cameron Neylon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Soft Ware For Beekeeping Message-ID: References: <3715b66f.0@mulder> Organization: RSC NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.35.165 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.35.165 X-Trace: 17 Apr 1999 23:06:55 +1000, 150.203.35.165 Lines: 35 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!clarion.carno.net.au!dixonmac.anu.edu.au!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16569 In article <3715b66f.0@mulder>, "John Drain" wrote: > Is there any software for beekeeping. Something that I could use to keep > track of the age of my queen bees, how old they are, last time hive was > checked, something that I could fill in every time we checked our hives. So > I would be able to go back and recall what we did on any day I would select. > Any feed back appreciated. > > Regards. > John. > jondrain@southnet.co.nz Dear John My father has some hives that he doesn't want. I'm thinking of taking them off his hands after I finish my thesis (about 2 weeks time). I'm sure that I'll eventually write some software of my own to suit my own needs when it comes to bee-keeping. But in keeping with the free nature of the 'net I'll prob. post it to a site for all to use if they find it ok for their purpose. With that in mind, what would you like to see such a program do. I can't promise anything but the ideas of others might help. If it's within reason (and my ability) I could always try and write it. Keep in mind my programming is done in my (limited) spare time and just for fun. Comments to me via e-mail is best. Keeps this news group on course. Please send to BOTH accounts Primary jeff.crowther@ea.gov.au secondary jeff@cricket.anu.edu.au regards Jeff Crowther. From apimo@apimo.dk Sun Apr 18 20:53:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Soft Ware For Beekeeping Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:52:49 +0200 Organization: EDBi Message-ID: <7fa40d$qso$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <3715b66f.0@mulder> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip121.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 924357453 27544 195.249.242.121 (17 Apr 1999 13:57:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Apr 1999 13:57:33 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 46 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16570 John Drain skrev i meddelelsen <3715b66f.0@mulder>... >Is there any software for beekeeping Since 1987 the danish beekeeper Society and EDBi have been working on development off a beekeeping Hivenote software. This software is multilingual with full acciential support of national chars. For now it is limited to win 95-98 platform. It is a database with a lot of facilites, such a a beekeeping accounting spreedsheet, a pollen plant database, Graphich show of data, printout of a beeyard working list to take with you into the beeyard, and a seachbased printout of queens. I am right now working on the printout facilites, and I am also asked to incorporate a familitree like sytem. The Software is free of charge as it is up to five behives! ten hives registration is only 20 US membership of EDBi with full support of the software and influence of the developing is is 45 US. A full blowing software with only your HD as storage limitation and Two Years full support and free update of the software is only 100 US. Please check it out, and give me your comments. Best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://www.apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From fmiquet@SPAMFREEnecessaryillusions.ca Sun Apr 18 20:53:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!198.168.100.2!altitude!dialup-48.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@SPAMFREEnecessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mite resistant queens Date: 17 Apr 1999 23:39:25 GMT Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-48.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16571 I have some hives in Eastern Ontario. Looking to buy some queens and am interested in hive resistant breed (Russian I believe). Anyone have a take on these queens? Any suppliers of mite resistant queens in Ontario/Quebec? Please e-mail your reply. Francis -- Remove SPAMFREE in reply From fmiquet@SPAMFREEnecessaryillusions.ca Sun Apr 18 20:53:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!198.168.100.2!altitude!dialup-48.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@SPAMFREEnecessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essential Oils Date: 17 Apr 1999 23:34:47 GMT Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-48.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16572 Sorry if this request for info is redundant. I don't have a big problem with varroa mites, the infestation is not too severe. I have used apistan but would like to use a more non-toxic mehtod of dealing with the mites. I've looked around the internet and found a few papers on using essential oils but nothing very practical. Does anyone have a tried method they would be willing to share with me? Can anyone point me in the right direction? Please email your reply. Thanks -- Remove SPAMFREE in reply From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Apr 18 20:53:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeehive plans Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Apr 1999 22:31:08 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <19990417183108.27410.00001932@ng109.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16573 where could I find plans to make a wbc hive? al From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.111.230.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OFFER CHARCOAL Date: Sat, 17 Apr 99 22:33:13 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 101 Message-ID: References: <7fc1l2$ha924@indo-news> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.80 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:34:50 GMT X-Trace: 924392090.354.26 KRFRRPH9I9850CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16574 Hi, Maybe YOU can explain the connection between "Charcoal", and beekeeping, but the only connection I know of, is making charcoal out of diseased hives . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/17/99 10:23AM, in message <7fc1l2$ha924@indo-news>, "Johnwoo" wrote: GRAHATAMA MANDIRI - CHARCOAL EXPORTER INDONESIA ORIGIN We are glad to inform you that we are Trading Company in Indonesia. We would like to establish a good relation businessship with your company. We are currently seeking serious importer world-wide for our product : Charcoal Type of Charcoal : [Kachi Grade A] [Kachi Grade B] [BBQ] S i z e : [diameter>50mmx250mm] [diameter>50mmx80-200mm] [diameter<60mmx85mm] Packing : 30 kg every piece in line or row or custom packing Minimum Order : 2 x 40 ft container Please visit to our site http://www.grahatama.co.id for more information. Respectfully, Mr.Chiang Sun Han Marketing Director Company: Grahatama Mandiri Jl.Cirebon, 78 Medan Indonesia - 20212 Phone:(062)(061) 566723 / (062)(061) 561170 Fax:(062)(061) 530845 Email Address: marketing@grahatama.co.id Homepage: http://www.grahatama.co.id

GRAHATAMA MANDIRI - CHARCOAL EXPORTER INDONESIA ORIGIN

We are glad to inform you that we are Trading Company in Indonesia.
We would like to establish a good relation businessship with your company.
We are currently seeking serious importer world-wide for our product :

Charcoal
Typ e of Charcoal : [Kachi Grade A] [Kachi Grade B] [BBQ]
S i z e : [diameter>50mmx250mm] [diameter>50mmx80-200mm] [diameter<60mmx85mm]
Packing : 30 kg every piece in line or row or custom packing
Minimum Order : 2 x 40 ft container

Please visit to our site http://www.grahatam a.co.id for more information.

Respectfully,
Mr.Chiang Sun Han
Marketing Director

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Jl.Cirebon, 78
Medan
Indonesia - 20212
Phone:(062)(061) 566723 / (062)(061) 561170
Fax:(062)(061) 530845
Email Address: marketing@grahatama.co.id
Homepage: http://www.grahatam a.co.id

< /FONT> From dandy@spamoff.saltspring.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37193AB8.307ADF01@spamoff.saltspring.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:51:53 -0700 From: Don Organization: none whatsoever X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bugger bit me References: <36F4620D.444E@saltspring.com> <2P8twFAwkz$2Ewvu@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7ev7vr$ip3$1@sword.avalon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.72 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.72 X-Trace: 17 Apr 1999 18:49:10 -0800, 204.244.138.72 Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.72 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16575 parker-simkin wrote: >My wife, however, can go into the yard and get > inside the hives without gloves, veil or anything except a hive tool. She > claims it is a matter of pheromone, and males will inevitably get more > stings because the female bees recognize males as not part of the > sisterhood. Yeah, right, now we're personifying bees to include them in the feminist movement. I don't think so! Chances are they just don't like the smell of your deodorant, soap, sweat, breath, or CO2 exhalations. ;) Don -- Spamoff for the spambots. Please remove "spamoff." from address before replying. 'bot bait for those spambots... nfic@internetMCI.com afried@nocs.insp.irs.gov enforcement@sec.gov. From dandy@spamoff.saltspring.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3719399A.5FE8937C@spamoff.saltspring.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:47:07 -0700 From: Don Organization: none whatsoever X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for burlap References: <36F6ABF7.6DF73F9B@wolfenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.72 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.72 X-Trace: 17 Apr 1999 18:44:25 -0800, 204.244.138.72 Lines: 84 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.clark.net!europa.netcrusader.net!205.197.251.110!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cyclone.i1.net!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.72 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16576 Real Name: wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm halfway to Portland, but I'd like > to know more . > > I've a neighbor making a start in > beekeeping, as I am . > > I've a fair amount of rotten burlap, > but I worry about the mold, and mildew, > hurting the bees . > > Maybe we can work something out with > a cardboard box, er-sumsuch . > > Thanks, > Ken . > > -- > > "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf > are rent asunder, > and the Wolf courses about. > > Brothers shall fight and slay > one another; > > sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. > > It shall fare hard with the world: > great whoredom, > an axe-age, > a sword-age, > shields shall be cloven, > a wind-age, > a wolf-age, > ere the world sinks in ruin. > > No man shall spare the other." > > -- > ------------Reply Separator---------------- > On 3/28/99 7:49AM, in message > , "J. Wayne > Fowler" wrote: > > Bill Kresge wrote in message > <36F6ABF7.6DF73F9B@wolfenet.com>... > >I've got a great source for burlap in the Seattle > area. In fact they > >would just love to find people to take sacks off > their hands. If you are > >looking for burlap for your smokers and are in the > Northwest this would > >be a good way to go. Send me an email and I will > give you the > >particulars. > > > >Hi Bill, > I am just getting started with my first hive and > would be interested in you > source for burlap bags. I live in Sequim, but do > get to the Seattle area on > occasion. I would appreciate any information that > you could > share,,,,,,,Thanks,,,J. Wayne Fowler One source might be your state highways department for a few sandbag sacks. Just recently acquired a dozen or so. Don't use rotted burlap. Clean, dry burlap smolders great, burns long and fires up right now. Another thing is those pressed pulp egg cartons or fruit box trays. They smolder well but don't have the duration of burlap. They are more available. Don -- Spamoff for the spambots. Please remove "spamoff." from address before replying. 'bot bait for those spambots... nfic@internetMCI.com afried@nocs.insp.irs.gov enforcement@sec.gov. From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What happened? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:47:29 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7fbh3v$652$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3714A865.20286C92@riverace.com> <19990415125657.14518.00000793@ng136.aol.com> <7f5qhi$hpr$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7f69f1$36q$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.56 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 18 02:47:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x17.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.56 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16577 In article <7f69f1$36q$1@remarQ.com>, "Bob Nelson" wrote: > The only > thing I don't like about queening a colony with swarm cell or in this case > virgin (and this goes for you swarm catchers also) is that swarming is > hereditary and you're just selecting for it by doing this. If you have a > nice strong hive that should be swarming, when others are, she's the one to > select queen stock from. Bob in NE > Extra credit points to you Bob - that is so VERY true. Inclination to swarm is heriditary - so is disinclination to swarm. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting -Hives Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:09:57 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7fbik2$5f6$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> <7f979a$bhp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.102 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 924405186 5606 12.72.205.102 (18 Apr 1999 03:13:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 1999 03:13:06 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16578 wrote in message news:7f979a$bhp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com... > In article <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, > 1) decide when the split will be made 2) order two queens to arrive on that > day 3) 4 days prior to split date put excluder between each hive body in > stack 4) day of split look for eggs - that is the body the old queen is in - > find her and kill her OR cage her to use as a back-up 5) now equally To satisfy my own curiosity, why is the old queen removed? From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!korova.insync.net!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: intergeneric bee hybrids Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:00:51 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7fbht0$6n8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7ebag8$f1d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.56 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 18 03:00:51 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.56 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16579 Actually Ken "africanized honey bees" (AHB) started out to be a racial crossbreeding program in Brazil. BUT in feral stock apparently due to early queen emergence of the Apis mellifera scuttelata the crosses tend to breed back more and more toward pure scuttelata if left to their own devices. Apparently due to the virgins with higher scuttelata genetic makeup emerging earlier and destroying the later emergers. It is quite an interesting genetic phenomena. Crosses between species of bees it ain't and that appears to be what the first inquiry was about. Jack Griffes In article , stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) wrote: > Hi, > > I thought that's what "Africanized" > bees are . > > Ken . > > -- > ------------Reply Separator---------------- > On 4/5/99 2:38PM, in message > <7ebag8$f1d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > steverappolee@yahoo.com wrote: > > greetings to all, > Has there ever been any reported intergeneric > hybrids among the bees???and has > there ever been any hybrids among the aphis > genera,particulry the giant asien > honey bee and apies mellifora?? > thanks in advance,steve -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding? Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Apr 1999 03:34:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7fa8bt$b78$1@news.campuscwix.net> Message-ID: <19990417233414.23457.00002275@ng139.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16580 From: "jmcc" >I just installed my package bees and it just so happened that a cold spell >appeared the same time. The temperatures around the mid forties. How can I >make sure that my bees are able to get to the sugar water and not freeze at >the same time?? Any help would be appreciated................Thanks! Make sure the feed is above the cluster. A lot of beginners use entrance feeders, which are worthless for cold weather, or weak hives. In a pinch, you can just put a slurry of sugar and water between the inner cover and outer one, allowing them to come up through the hole to get it. That'll get them by for a few days. If this is your first hive, you may not be able to do this, but it's a good idea to have a few frames of honey saved. The poorest stuff you have (loosestrife? or crystallized aster?) is still great feed. When you install your packages, put a frame of honey where the bees can cluster on it. Then there will not be any question about their survival through a few cold days. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From joii4ozr@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Murdered! Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:32:49 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 62 Message-ID: <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 17 20:32:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16581 Or, How Not to Introduce a Queen... I have 2 hives. Tried to make an early split from the strongest one. So, I removed the queen and a couple of frames of brood, and some pollen and honey, and put them in a separate hive. I also added a frame of brood from the second hive, so I then had three hives that each were about equally strong. I expected the bees remaining in the original hive to raise a new queen from the fresh eggs I made sure to leave them. However, I got a little too clever, I think. Later, I decided that the spring buildup would be improved if I purchased a new queen for the now queenless hive. So, I went through, 5 days after having made that split, and killed all the queen cells I could find -- I only found 2 -- in the queenless hive, and put in the purchased queen, still in her cage. IMMEDIATELY, the cage was covered with bees trying to sting the new queen and her attendants to death. Though my experience is by no means vast, I've introduced queens successfully before, but I'd never seen such an antipathetic response. After a few minutes, some of the energy of the attack seemed to dissipate however, so I hoped that things might turn out OK after all. I installed an inside feeder full of syrup and closed the hive back up. About 18 hours later, I decided to check on how things were going. Opening the hive, I observed the queen cage covered with bees. The candy had been completely chewed away, and some workers had penetrated into the cage, but the queen had apparently not yet come out. When I picked up the cage to examine it though, I noticed a worker bee mount the back of the queen and start to sting her! Arrgh! Disaster! I think that she was a goner at that point, but I opened the cage in an effort to save her and get that stinging bee away from her. Unfortunately, several more bees then took the opportunity to participate in her assassination, and began stinging her as well. I'm quite sure that she's dead now, although she still was kicking a little as the bees dragged her down between the frames. Bummer. Anybody want to share their insights or techniques? I haven't decided whether to try to recombine the splits or try another queen. My preliminary assessment is that my major screw up was trying to release her too soon; that coming back to check on things compromised a delicate process. They only started stinging her when I picked the cage up. BUT, on the other hand, they really didn't seem to like her at all, right from the start, so I'm not sure if they would have accepted her even if I hadn't come back in only 18 hours. If I was going to do this over again, I think I'd leave her in a corked cage in the hive for a day or two first, then replace the cork with candy, and then let them chew her free. Comments? -- "Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:15:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7fc8pl$t2u$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7fa8bt$b78$1@news.campuscwix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16582 "jmcc" wrote: >Hi, >I just installed my package bees and it just so happened that a cold spell >appeared the same time. The temperatures around the mid forties. How can I >make sure that my bees are able to get to the sugar water and not freeze at >the same time?? Any help would be appreciated................Thanks! >Feel free to e-mail at jmcclure@hop-uky.campuscwix.net Where the hell are you? It has to be damn cold to freeze sugar syrup, similar to freezing salt water. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From barry@birkey.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeehive plans Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 07:42:43 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7fck4v$2tu$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <19990417183108.27410.00001932@ng109.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.142.176 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16583 In article <19990417183108.27410.00001932@ng109.aol.com> , jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > where could I find plans to make a wbc hive? > > al http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/wbc.html -- Barry From jondrain@southnet.co.nz Thu Apr 22 16:29:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz!mulder!s5-ts2-in.southnet.co.nz From: "John Drain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Soft Ware For Beekeeping Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <3715b66f.0@mulder> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:36:22 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.86.3 X-Trace: news.clear.net.nz 924169339 203.97.86.3 (Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:42:19 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:42:19 NZST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16584 Is there any software for beekeeping. Something that I could use to keep track of the age of my queen bees, how old they are, last time hive was checked, something that I could fill in every time we checked our hives. So I would be able to go back and recall what we did on any day I would select. Any feed back appreciated. Regards. John. jondrain@southnet.co.nz From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orange/red bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Apr 1999 10:20:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37157538.603F0D6B@webzone.net> Message-ID: <19990415062000.02352.00000815@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16585 >The bees were definitely honeybees but they >were an orangish red color with 3 thin black bands. >Can anyone recognize this strain?? They were n sounds like a second or third year cordovan swarm after a couple of swarm seasons you get a deeper color than the original cordovan queen. still her daughters, mostly her sons but a bit different genetic pool. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From w8864@midwest.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!WCG!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor plans ??? Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:24:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <924183254.968.11@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.56.96 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:34:14 GMT X-Trace: 924183254.968.11 JF3D7GB4M3860D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16586 Are there any plans for a homemade extractor on any sites that anyone knows about? thanx bill From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Murdered! (queen introduction) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:35:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 66 Message-ID: <7fbgee$5kl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.56 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 18 02:35:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.56 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16587 In article <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, PC Boy wrote: > Or, How Not to Introduce a Queen... > Bummer. Anybody want to share their insights or techniques? okay > I haven't decided whether to try to recombine the splits > or try another queen. another queen will be another failure I'd put serious odds on it - they told you they had a gyne and you failed to believe them >My preliminary assessment is that > my major screw up was trying to release her too soon; that indeed would not have helped IF things had been going well - it had no actual impact on the outcome of your situation other than to hasten the demise of your doomed queen > BUT, on the other hand, they really didn't seem to like her > at all, right from the start, so I'm not sure if they would > have accepted her even if I hadn't come back in only 18 hours. see you did notice it - you just didn't believe it - they told you loud and clear that they had a gyne (as far as they were concerned - chances are they were right too) > If I was going to do this over again, I think I'd leave her > in a corked cage in the hive for a day or two first, then > replace the cork with candy, and then let them chew her free. IF you are CERTAIN you have actually destroyed the gyne (virgin, q-cell, queen) and given them a spell to figure that out (a few hours to up to 24 hours) then IF the queen is very valuable as in irreplaceable it is indeed wise to put her in with cork in place and come back again and again if need be until you get NO cage biting before you allow her to be released. Of course when we were selecting hard for "mite chewing" I had intro'd queens in corked cages and them "chewing" bees released them themselves via chewing the blooming corks out of the cages. > Comments? Just one more - remember that beekeeping is enjoyed by folks of all ages and genders so please be so kind as to respect that fact. Thanks. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 99 19:39:57 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <7fa8bt$b78$1@news.campuscwix.net> <7fc8pl$t2u$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.92 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:41:30 GMT X-Trace: 924468090.205.103 KRFRRPH9I1C5CCF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16588 Hi, He's referring to the bees getting torpid in the cold, and being unable to GET to the syrup . I have similar concerns . Got internal feeders in transit . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/18/99 2:15AM, in message <7fc8pl$t2u$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: "jmcc" wrote: >Hi, >I just installed my package bees and it just so happened that a cold spell >appeared the same time. The temperatures around the mid forties. How can I >make sure that my bees are able to get to the sugar water and not freeze at >the same time?? Any help would be appreciated................Thanks! >Feel free to e-mail at jmcclure@hop-uky.campuscwix.net Where the hell are you? It has to be damn cold to freeze sugar syrup, similar to freezing salt water. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From venomx@ix.netcom.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: VenomX Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide and Bees Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:57:38 -0700 Organization: Esoteric... Lines: 22 Message-ID: <371A5552.5642@ix.netcom.com> References: <3712D100.9E9@juno.com> <19990413034554.27457.00002200@ng39.aol.com> Reply-To: venomx@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ali-ca79-109.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Apr 18 4:54:35 PM CDT 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16589 Orangerose wrote: > ...back to lurking... > > (BTW, I am going to attend my first meeting of the San Francisco Beekeepers > Association on Wednesday. Even though I don't have any bees---yet!) I'm going to give a brief talk about yellowjackets there in june if you are still going by then, introduce yourself... it will be my first time as well. I can probably hook you up with some bees. > > :-) > > Kelly -- "I've always lived on the edge.. I've just never been this close before" From hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk Thu Apr 22 16:29:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk ("MICHAEL HURLEY") Subject: Re: Soft Ware For Beekeeping Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <18321710FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:36:07 GMT Lines: 47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16590 In article <18321710FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > In article <3715b66f.0@mulder> > "John Drain" writes: > > > > > ... software for beekeeping? > I have just started playing with Excel - seems very adequate for my need > s. > > Aaron Morris - thinking spreadsheets! Spreadsheets are the way but the difficulty is in getting the data in. I have made several attempts but nothing practical has emerged. Emphasis should be on how to take notes at the Apiary and in what format that can be easily input to the spreadsheet. One may get bogged down with too much detail. One approach that I have tried is to confine entries to comparisons between the colonies in the Apiary ranking the entries from 1 to 9 so that 5 is average and would be entered for each field as default so that keying would limited to changing the 5 to 6 or 7 if above average with 8 or 9 for excellent and 1 or 2 for very weak. Some of the type of comparison that I have in mind are : Entrance activity Strength Brood development Drone cells Queen cell building Handling <5 for docile >5 for cross 9 get out the salt peter !! Weight comparison by tilting only. Etc. Two other sets of records might usefully be but up also on a spreadsheet : What is on site at apiary ? WHTBD - What Has To Be Done - for next visit ?. Michael. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for bees? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 99 19:39:53 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <7fd78c$gee$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.92 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:41:25 GMT X-Trace: 924468085.999.11 KRFRRPH9I1C5CCF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16591 Hi, Is Seattle, or Portland too far ? Ruhl is in Portland . Rhul Bee Supply, 12713 NE Whitaker Way Portland Oregon, 97230 503 256 4231 Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/18/99 11:11AM, in message <7fd78c$gee$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, timjk@my-dejanews.com wrote: I'm looking for suppliers for package bees in the Spokane, Wa. area. The one I did find said he can't help me this late. Thanks, Tim -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From fgfg@fhfdh.dsg Thu Apr 22 16:29:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "" Subject: test Lines: 2 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:05:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.125.137.173 X-Complaints-To: news@indigo.ie X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 924469510 194.125.137.173 (Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:05:10 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:05:10 BST Organization: Indigo Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16592 test From pascal66@globetrotter.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.quebectel.com!news.quebectel.com!not-for-mail From: pascal fournier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Murdered! Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 06:06:12 -0400 Organization: GlobeTrotter Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3719AE93.3632EFC1@globetrotter.net> References: <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-06.f3218.quebectel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: PC Boy Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16593 PC Boy wrote: > Or, How Not to Introduce a Queen... > > I have 2 hives. Tried to make an early split from > the strongest one. ......Comments? I use a procedure who is supposed to avoid queen reject. It involves more labour but is practical for small beekeepers. 1) two days before receiving my new queen, I caged the old queen in a corked cage and let it in the hive. (not supposed to do that more than 48 hours before introducing the new queen). As the caged queen is unable to release eggs in cells, the workers will in 3 or 4 days try to make a new queen. 2)when you receive your new queen, remove the caged old queen and place the new queen in a candy cage. reuse the old queen in another hive if you split or kill her if you just requeen. The idea is that if bees have doubts about their queen but have not yet try to superced her, they will immediatly accept a new queen as you're just giving to them what they are naturally trying to build themselves I see this method on the web (maybee a finland site?, I don' t remenber). I try and always been successfull. This is on occasion to thanks the people who give me this method. Appreciate to share ..... From terri0594@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: terri0594@aol.com (Terri0594) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Building comb between frames? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Apr 1999 22:52:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990418185205.25714.00002201@ng30.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16594 I installed a package of bees a week ago, and although they are feeding and building away, they have built comb between 2 of the frames. They only have the one box to start--I have not added any more brood chambers. Should I leave them like this, and let them do things their own way, or break off the comb (if I can without really disturbing them). The only real problem with this comb between the frames is that i cannot look at the frames too well to see if the queen is doing her job. Any help is appreciated---thanks! danielle1@home.com From w8864@midwest.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!199.60.229.5!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spraying Roundup for weeds?? Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:52:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <923810073.047.84@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.56.91 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 05:54:33 GMT X-Trace: 923810073.047.84 JF3D7GB4M385BD0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16595 I am just starting with bees and in fact they won't be here untill the first week in May. I was wondering if I can spray the area I'm going to put the hives with Roundup now and would this still affect the bees when I get them in about 3 weeks. thanx bill From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Murdered! (queen introduction) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:14:27 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7fdlfu$rdc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fbgee$5kl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fbuc6$gek$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.45 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 18 22:14:27 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x15.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16596 In article <7fbuc6$gek$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, PC Boy wrote: > In article <7fbgee$5kl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > In article <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > > PC Boy wrote: > > > Or, How Not to Introduce a Queen... > > > > IF you are CERTAIN you have actually destroyed the gyne (virgin, q-cell, > > queen) and given them a spell to figure that out (a few hours to up to 24 > > Yep. There's where I messed up. Shoulda waited about a day AFTER destroying > the Q-cells. Guess I was thinking their communication system was a little > more efficient. Queen substance (pheremone) has about a half hour half-life in a colony as I understand things. So they sense a reduction fairly quickly but that doesn't seem to mean they are ready to accept a queen that is not in "same state of lay" just then and a mailed queen ain't gonna be in "same state of lay" - my guess though from their continued reaction which I did not observe but based upon your description of same is that they STILL have a gyne or at least still did when you popped 'em open to check on the caged queen - why? - because they should by that time have been receptive to a queen if indeed they had no gyne themselves. So what have you done with them since then? Still have the dead queen and the cage? Why not test and see if they bite the cage now? PLUS put a frame with some eggs and some very young larvae in and see if they draw cells or not. I kinda wonder if perhaps you have a virgin running around in there already. If you do and IF she either has gotten mated or does get mated then she oughta be laying inside of two weeks from the time you pulled the queen cage - see they may have been in the act of supersedure when you made the split and you just did NOT know it. Do you see eggs in there NOW?? (sometimes they will draw cells when they just have a virgin running loose) > > hours) then IF the queen is very valuable as in irreplaceable it is indeed > > wise to put her in with cork in place and come back again and again if need > > be until you get NO cage biting before you allow her to be released. Of > > course when we were selecting hard for "mite chewing" I had intro'd queens in > > corked cages and them "chewing" bees released them themselves via chewing the > > blooming corks out of the cages. > > Good ideas. I wasn't aware that they could chew through cork though. I am NOT suggesting that honeybees generally can - I myself have only seen it happen in that one yard (20 colonies) when requeening "mite chewers" with another stock we wanted to test. It REALLY surprised me to come back and find the corks chewed out of many cages and nearly chewed out of ALL the rest. Had not ever seen that stunt pulled by the bees before. (has anybody else?) Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!WWW1.relcom.ru!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting -Hives Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:35:13 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7fdmn1$scf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> <7f979a$bhp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fbik2$5f6$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.45 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 18 22:35:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16597 In article <7fbik2$5f6$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > > wrote in message > news:7f979a$bhp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com... > > In article <_%QQ2.22657$134.234177@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, > > > that is the body the old queen is in - > > find her and kill her OR cage her to use as a back-up 5) now equally > > > To satisfy my own curiosity, why is the old queen removed? > Unless she is there to be tested you are better off with a younger queen. Colonies headed by young queens (of same type) are less likely to swarm in the first season than are colonies headed by older queens of same type. (the caveat there is in reference to HUGE differences in inclination or disinclination to swarm amongst various strains). Well mated young queens are far less likely to be superseded as well. Plus if you think about it in reference to human age sorta like we talk about "dog years" and say our ten year old dog is about equivalent to a seventy-year old person - well then how old in "bee years" do you think that one year old queen is? and how old in "bee years" is a two year old queen? Some pretty BIG beekeepers go to a LOT of trouble and expense to insure they have new queens heading up EVERY production colony EVERY season. Big money on labor is spent finding and killing queens that are under a year old. Do you think they do that for fun or because it pays? Imagine if you will how much in labor it costs Richard Adee to have his crews find and kill the tens of thousands of queens they kill each year so he can make his 4 way splits and get around 60,000 headed to the Dakotas and surrounding states each Spring each headed by a YOUNG queen. Would he do it if it didn't pay? -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building comb between frames? Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:58:56 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990418185205.25714.00002201@ng30.aol.com> To: Terri0594 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 19 Apr 1999 00:59:20 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Apr 18 18:05:10 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust197.tnt1.rdu1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <371A7FD0.5BDC@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16598 Are you feeding the bees? my experience is that the bees must be fed or be in a full honey flow so the bees will pull the comb properly. Had the same problem two weeks ago but I removed the burr comb and we have a fabolous honey flow here in Eastern NC and the bees are pulling all worker size cells. From adamf@vt.edu Thu Apr 22 16:29:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: marriage wanted3 Date: 18 Apr 1999 21:16:45 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7fdi3t$ovu$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7fcj1l$ld4@netnews.hinet.net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16599 Follow-ups trimmed In article <7fcj1l$ld4@netnews.hinet.net>, abc <23564@ucs.com.tw> wrote: >marriage wanted3 >chinese girls search husband. >http://www.ezgo.com.tw/wedding/wanted.htm Do these women know how to light a smoker? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From divepet99@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: divepet99@aol.com (Divepet99) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone finding any morel mushrooms? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Apr 1999 01:54:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <370E06C2.8B6EFFCF@nospam.boeing.com> Message-ID: <19990418215410.14693.00002650@ng149.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16600 I just finished eating over 2lbs I harvested this past week here in central Va. The weather has been cool and wet so they are holding up well From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Building comb between frames? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:45:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7fe2q2$jup$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990418185205.25714.00002201@ng30.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16601 terri0594@aol.com (Terri0594) wrote: > I installed a package of bees a week ago, and although they are feeding and >building away, they have built comb between 2 of the frames. They only have >the one box to start--I have not added any more brood chambers. Should I leave >them like this, and let them do things their own way, or break off the comb (if >I can without really disturbing them). The only real problem with this comb >between the frames is that i cannot look at the frames too well to see if the >queen is doing her job. Any help is appreciated---thanks! >danielle1@home.com Remove the comb. Keep the frames tight to one another until they draw out the comb then spread them a little. They will get it right eventually. If there is no honey flow yet in your area feed like hell to keep them drawing. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: marriage wanted3 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:49:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7fe310$jup$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7fcj1l$ld4@netnews.hinet.net> <7fdi3t$ovu$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16602 adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >Follow-ups trimmed >In article <7fcj1l$ld4@netnews.hinet.net>, abc <23564@ucs.com.tw> wrote: >>marriage wanted3 >>chinese girls search husband. >>http://www.ezgo.com.tw/wedding/wanted.htm >Do these women know how to light a smoker? >Adam We can't use smokers anymore in Maryland, it's a smokefree workplace policy in this state! I ordered some of that liquid smoke that I saw in ABJ. I'll let everyone know how I like it after some trials. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From cardinf@tis.ch Thu Apr 22 16:29:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial01.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spraying Roundup for weeds?? Date: 11 Apr 99 07:21:23 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01be83f3$80d9c6c0$e780a19d@default> References: <923810073.047.84@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16603 Bill schrieb im Beitrag <923810073.047.84@news.remarQ.com>... > .....spray the area I'm going to put the > hives with Roundup now and would this still affect the bees when I get them > in about 3 weeks. Roundup (TM) (active ingredient: glyphosate) is not an insecticide and does not affect bees. francis From drgonfly@ultranet.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: when to requeen Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:45:42 -0400 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7fe60f$c26$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-122-231-254.s254.tnt4.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 19 Apr 1999 02:56:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16604 What is the best time of year to requeen. Thanx, Marc Andelman Worcester, MA From dovj@home.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <371A8F0D.31CCCDBA@home.com> From: Barry Jacobson Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queens and nucs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:03:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.8.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com 924487439 24.112.8.138 (Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:03:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:03:59 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16605 I will have queens and nucs for sale by the second week of May if not sooner. Tel: 905 826 7466 or email: barryjacobson@hotmail.com Barry Jacobson Mississauga, Ontario Canada From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for burlap Date: Wed, 14 Apr 99 23:08:43 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <36F6ABF7.6DF73F9B@wolfenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.134 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:10:29 GMT X-Trace: 924135029.729.16 KRFRRPH9I9886CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16606 Hi, I'm halfway to Portland, but I'd like to know more . I've a neighbor making a start in beekeeping, as I am . I've a fair amount of rotten burlap, but I worry about the mold, and mildew, hurting the bees . Maybe we can work something out with a cardboard box, er-sumsuch . Thanks, Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 3/28/99 7:49AM, in message , "J. Wayne Fowler" wrote: Bill Kresge wrote in message <36F6ABF7.6DF73F9B@wolfenet.com>... >I've got a great source for burlap in the Seattle area. In fact they >would just love to find people to take sacks off their hands. If you are >looking for burlap for your smokers and are in the Northwest this would >be a good way to go. Send me an email and I will give you the >particulars. > >Hi Bill, I am just getting started with my first hive and would be interested in you source for burlap bags. I live in Sequim, but do get to the Seattle area on occasion. I would appreciate any information that you could share,,,,,,,Thanks,,,J. Wayne Fowler From allend@internode.net Thu Apr 22 16:29:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: intergeneric bee hybrids Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 05:00:27 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7fed97$eks$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7ebag8$f1d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fbht0$6n8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.185 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 19 05:00:27 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x8.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.185 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16607 > Apparently due to the virgins with higher scuttelata genetic makeup emerging > earlier and destroying the later emergers. It is quite an interesting > genetic phenomena. I heard that the Africanized drones get out a bit earlier in the day too, and they get the job done before the European boys are finished breakfast. allen -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From rconner@cwix.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!news-out.cwix.com!news.cwix.com!not-for-mail From: "rconner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: supers Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <6VxS2.269$yW6.24330@news.cwix.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:02:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.62.202.14 X-Complaints-To: news@cw.net X-Trace: news.cwix.com 924494530 166.62.202.14 (Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:02:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:02:10 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16608 I am new to beekeeping and I had a question about using supers. When a super is full and you take it from the hive, do you need to put a empty super back on the hive promptly or can you wait intil you have withdrawn all of the honey and then put the super back on? I only have one super at this time. From h.tait@home.com Thu Apr 22 16:29:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7f3l7a$m70$1@news.worldonline.nl> <183217239S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Subject: Re: Vancouver Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:47:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 924511627 24.65.109.178 (Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:47:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:47:07 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16609 Aaron Morris wrote in message news:183217239S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu... > In article <7f3l7a$m70$1@news.worldonline.nl> > "roel ten klei" writes: > > > > >Is anyone of you going to Vancouver Apimondia congress? > > > > I've been keeping a list from BEE-L. So far it includes: > > Eunice Wonnacott (?) eunice.wonnacott@PEI.SYMPATICO.CA > Keith Amberson EuroXboy@aol.com > Matt Higdon MatHig@aol.com > John Caldeira jcaldeira@earthlink.net > Garland Allen countrymeadow@IBM.NET > Mason Harris (?) smharris@ED.CO.SANMATEO.CA.US > Bob Darrell darrells@interlog.com > David Eyre info@beeworks.com > Stanton A Hershman phoenix@AUG.COM > Seppo Korpela seppo.korpela@mtt.fi > Max Watkins max.watkins@VITA.DEMON.CO.UK > Trevor Weatherhead queenbee@gil.com.au > Helen Meyer windridge@headwaters.com > Aaron Morris sysam@uamail.albany.edu > > Anyone else? Cannot afford to miss it Hugh Tait > > Aaron Morris - thinking Vancouver in September! From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees and bears Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Apr 1999 12:47:01 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <19990419084701.16041.00002682@ng-fr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16610 I have some property in cottage country. There is about 3 or 4 acres cleared near my cottage and near the gravel road. I've yet to see a bear but I'm sure they are in the area. My question is if I install a few beehives will it attract bears like garbage would. Any advice would be appreciated. thank you al From rconner@cwix.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.96.12!newsf1.elp.rr.com!news-out.cwix.com!news.cwix.com!not-for-mail From: "rconner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: recipes Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:04:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.62.77.200 X-Complaints-To: news@cw.net X-Trace: news.cwix.com 924527078 166.62.77.200 (Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:04:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:04:38 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16611 My name is Lisa and I was wondering if anyone has any recipes that call for honey. I am interested in the odd things like candles, ornaments and creams or lotions. We just started a bee colony yesterday. I realize it will take time to produce a good bit of honey but the place we bought the bees from had these things in the gift shop. Anything would be appreciated. Thanks for your thought in advance. rconner@cwix.com From mediate@islandnet.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.islandnet.com!not-for-mail From: Georg Stratemeyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Transgenetic Plants Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:59:15 -0700 Organization: Cowichan Valley Mediation Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <371B36B3.2220@islandnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.175.106.33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16612 Anybody any concerns or comments on these things? I understand that in Alberta any honey produced would include some proportion of honey from transgenetic plants because of the Canola grown there. Should this not be labled when selling honey? Is there an impact on bees and hive processes? I would be interested in some comments. I know that these plants are supposed to reduce the use of herbicides and pesticides, however, I do have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea and not see it as a money making venture for agri-giants. I have a hard time trusting them, there have been too many screw ups sofar (DTT for example). Thanks Georg -- Cowichan Valley Mediation Services-Georg Stratemeyer 4876 Marshall Road, Duncan, BC, V9L 6T3 Telephone: 250 746 6176 Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~mediate/index.html From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.clark.net!europa.netcrusader.net!141.211.144.13!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Apr 1999 12:21:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6VxS2.269$yW6.24330@news.cwix.com> Message-ID: <19990419082128.08305.00002201@ng120.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16613 >I am new to beekeeping and I had a question about using supers. When a >super is full and you take it from the hive, do you need to put a empty >super back on the hive promptly or can you wait intil you have withdrawn all >of the honey and then put the super back on? I only have one super at this >time. If there is a honeyflow, you should never leave the hive without supers. You don't want them to plug the brood nest, which shuts down the queen, tends to make the bees mean, and may induce swarming. Anytime you have burr comb under the cover when you lift it, you have congested bees and you have lost honey production. Don't ever let the bees put nectar in a cell after a bee emerges. When you look at brood frames that have nectar in the cells, the queen has no place to lay. Shutting her down early in the season will negatively impact the rest of the year. It's hard to get her going again. I figure a minimum of three supers per hive even in the poorest honey areas. Some areas would be better figured at 5 or 6. If you started your hives from packages this year, and all your flows in your area are spring flows, you may get by with less for this year only. The bees probably won't be strong enough, fast enough, to catch all the spring flows. Remember that nectar contains a lot of water. The bees need space to place this nectar until the water is evaporated and the nectar concentrated. You should always end up a honeyflow with one previously used, but now empty super on top. A good flow is a good time to draw new foundation. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!blanket.mitre.org!philabs!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Insecticide and Bees Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:01:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb104-42.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 923817747 2683093 209.156.120.134 (11 Apr 1999 08:02:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Apr 1999 08:02:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16614 I'm hoping to start a hive here in a few weeks, in our smallish back yard. We have quite a few perennials, which I usually treat with insecticide every several weeks. Will doing this in the same yard, but not actually close to the bees, harm them? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From vfarm@excite.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!coop.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: vfarm@excite.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Newsgroup/Mailing List Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Lines: 16 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:01:29 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.3.176 X-Trace: WReNphoon3 924538212 10.0.3.176 (Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:10:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:10:12 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16615 I find this newsgroup to be very interesting. I look forward to reading the messages each day. However, I'm wondering if there's a way to make the messages go directly to my e-mail address? Also, do any of you know of any other beekeeping newsgroups and/or mailing lists? I'm also interested in finding newsgroups/mailing lists that would provide useful recipes for the natural honey. -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser - FREE - From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Apr 1999 18:15:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <924538840.440.6@news.remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19990419141542.18899.00002133@ng134.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16616 Happened to you too, did it? I'm a first-time beekeeper in Massachusetts. I got my 2 packages in excellent condition but the queens were corked into the cages with no candy, so we quick-released them. It sure made rookie day in the apiary a little more exciting. Why are the companies sending them out like this when every book in the world on beekeeping shows bees being released via the candy-packed hole method? I don't know how stressful this is for the bees, but it sure was for me when I looked over to see the queen running up the arm of my fiancee's coveralls. She thought it was a wasp and almost swatted it before I stopped her. I swept the queen back in the box with a bee brush, but who knows if the bees balled her, or if we might have damaged her. Thank god my queens were clipped and marked. From one beginner to another who is thinking about the same problem, I will check for eggs in the comb in a day or two. That will let me know if they are both still queenright. Hive activity seems normal right now. If the queens are there, then alright. If not, I will first call the company that sent the bees and see what they are willing to do about this. If I find one hive queenright and the other queenless, I think I might either: 1) Combine the two packages in one hive. or; 2) Take some brood from the one hive and put it in the queenless one so they can rear a new queen. Any of you old hands out there think these might be good plans? From orangerose@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Transgenetic Plants Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Apr 1999 19:53:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <371B36B3.2220@islandnet.com> Message-ID: <19990419155338.13863.00003031@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16617 Run a search on rec.gardens.ecosystems for an interesting (and heated!) thread on this subject. (not bee-specific, though) Go to Deja News and search "Genetic Engineering" on rec.gardens.ecosystems to pull up the thread. It was posted within the last six weeks... Kelly From jkdrider@tds.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "jkdrider" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa mite control Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:36:29 -0500 Organization: TDSNET Internet Services(http://www.tds.net) Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7fft47$86v@news2.tds.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bowi1-a14.bonduel.tds.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16618 I recently installed a couple a packages that came with Apistan strips. I placed these in the hives along with the bees. Can someone tell me how the strip works? How long is it effective? Also, should I always have a Apistan strip in the hive or should they be used only in the spring and fall or what? Thanks. From ritaharold@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ritaharold@aol.com (RITAHAROLD) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa mite control Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Apr 1999 20:42:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7fft47$86v@news2.tds.net> Message-ID: <19990419164226.05188.00000519@ng57.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16619 > >I recently installed a couple a packages that came with Apistan strips. I >placed these in the hives along with the bees. Can someone tell me how the >strip works? How long is it effective? Also, should I always have a Apistan >strip in the hive or should they be used only in the spring and fall or >what? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > >I recently installed a couple a packages that came with Apistan strips. I >placed these in the hives along with the bees. Can someone tell me how the >strip works? How long is it effective? Also, should I always have a Apistan >strip in the hive or should they be used only in the spring and fall or >what? Thanks. > > > > > > > > From not@fur.ur.use Thu Apr 22 16:30:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news-xfer.epix.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: not@fur.ur.use (gorg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:24:24 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <371b9eb1.15626231@news.ptway.com> References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <7fg59g$t5g$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.176.148.74 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:25:34 GMT X-Trace: 924557134.985.51 GLT.2CM.I944AC7B0C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16620 On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:39:45 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: >not@fur.ur.use wrote: > >>Can anyone tell me the recipe for the Candy to put in Queen release >>cages? thanks. > >It's powdered sugar and numoline. > >The answer to your next question is: Numoline is a invert >syrup used by bakeries. > Gee, you read my mind. Do you know what my next quesiton is? Here goes..... Where do you (or in this case, I) get Numoline? Thanks From markm@ntplx.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:07 EDT 1999 Article: 16621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail From: markm@ntplx.net (mski) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what to do about ants by my hives Message-ID: <371b90b2.14363022@news.ntplx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:26:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.188.175 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 924553859 204.213.188.175 (Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:30:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:30:59 EDT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16621 Greetings, I'm a new owner of two hives. I had them for about two weeks and have recently noticed a good number of ants going after the sugar water that I'm feeding my bees. I'm worried that they may eventually go and get the honey as well. What precautions can I do to rid the ants out of the area, without risking danger with my bees? Thanks, Mark From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Installing First Hive Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:35:21 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb105-12.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com 924546979 2683093 209.156.120.150 (19 Apr 1999 18:36:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Apr 1999 18:36:19 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16622 Greetings all... Our first colony of bees will arrive 4/29, and I hope to install them in their new abode soon after that. I'm using the installation procedure detailed in Dadant's "First Lessons in Beekeeping" as my guide. Does anyone have anything to add/change about what they say in the book? Thanks! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.114.4.11!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:03:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7fgdml$ho4$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <7fg59g$t5g$1@news1.Radix.Net> <371b9eb1.15626231@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16623 not@fur.ur.use (gorg) wrote: >On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:39:45 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: >>not@fur.ur.use wrote: >> >>>Can anyone tell me the recipe for the Candy to put in Queen release >>>cages? thanks. >> >>It's powdered sugar and numoline. >> >>The answer to your next question is: Numoline is a invert >>syrup used by bakeries. >> >Gee, you read my mind. Do you know what my next quesiton is? Here >goes..... Where do you (or in this case, I) get Numoline? >Thanks The Walter T. Kelley Co. 502 242-2012 Ask for their Queen Cage Syrup Cat # 258 for 10 pounds $17.50 or Cat# 258-C for 5 gallon bucket $62.00 plus shipping. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From dmarple@urjet.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:13:30 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <924560040.014.22@news.remarQ.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.136.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:14:00 GMT X-Trace: 924560040.014.22 HP5BVU17I8820D0E7C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16624 If you read my message prior to yours, I had a problem with the queen escaping from the queen cage because there was no candy to plug the hole. I also used the Dadant book as my reference, and the two hives I installed went just like the pictures did (except for the queen getting loose, of course). From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:39:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7fg59g$t5g$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16625 not@fur.ur.use wrote: >Can anyone tell me the recipe for the Candy to put in Queen release >cages? thanks. It's powdered sugar and numoline. The answer to your next question is: Numoline is a invert syrup used by bakeries. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hey you swarm catchers... Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1999 00:44:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990419204422.25712.00002726@ng30.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16626 >How about the "alternate home" method? I think this was out of an old bee >book: > >place a reverse funnel made of wire mesh over the last opening, >Haven't tried it, but it sounds good! >David. Oh sure it works great.......takes about a month Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From djkc6ssf@sonic.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.111.230.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!pushkin.conxion.com!ultra.sonic.net!d64.nas1.oak.sonic.net!user From: djkc6ssf@sonic.net (David Jackson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hey you swarm catchers... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:04:06 -0700 Organization: None! Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <36FC14E4.17C0FFF9@midtown.net> <19990326201131.04284.00000533@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d64.nas1.oak.sonic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16627 How about the "alternate home" method? I think this was out of an old bee book: 1. find all the entrances,(important and maybe impossible) 2. seal all but the main one,(ditto) 3. place a reverse funnel made of wire mesh over the last opening, 4. place a wonderful brood box with comb adjacent to opening, 5. wait till the bees are starved out because no workers return to the hive, 6. The last of the hive come out to find the worrkers happily filling the new home right outside the door. Haven't tried it, but it sounds good! David. > On 3/26/99 5:11PM, in message > <19990326201131.04284.00000533@ng-ce1.aol.com>, > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >Got a hive in a chimney. Any removal suggestions, > (without a vac,,sorry > >Johnson),,,?? > > > >The home owner just bought the house and doesn't > have all the info as to > >how long they've been there etc... > > > > thats a tough one ya'll, real tough. > > 1. Is it an exterior chimney ? > 2. Is the chimney construction sound ? ( very old > house or say 20-40 yrs ) > 3. Does the home owner ever plan on using the > chimney for heating etc..? > 4. are the house plans availiable ? ( is it a > straight old style chimney or are > they double flue wit brick surround ) > 5. Is there a dampner or is it an open chimney ? > > Without dissambling the chimney, there is just about > no way to remove these > bees without killing them. > There is only one way that i know of to do it > cleanly, it will take a whole > season and in the end will still be messy. ...... > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Home of " Big Johnson's Bee Vac " Distributed > exclusively > by Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 1-800-beeswax. From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!xmission!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Soft Ware For Beekeeping Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:37:58 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 57 Message-ID: <371BCC66.AD506F2E@valley.net> References: <18321710FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-105.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16628 MICHAEL HURLEY wrote: > In article <18321710FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu > (Aaron Morris) wrote: > > > Some of the type of comparison that I have in mind are : > > Entrance activity > Strength > Brood development > Drone cells > Queen cell building > Handling <5 for docile >5 for cross 9 get out the salt peter !! > Weight comparison by tilting only. > > Etc. > > Two other sets of records might usefully be but up also on a > spreadsheet : > > What is on site at apiary ? > > WHTBD - What Has To Be Done - for next visit ?. > > Michael. i set up my composition notebook with column headers for activities that could easily be recorded as y/n or with check marks/dates. in addition to mike's great categories, a couple more that i can think of include: saw queen: y/n taking feed: y/n started/ended medicating/treating added supers: y/n or number i also record time of day, air temp, and weather conditions (sunny, calm, windy, cloudy, etc.) along with bee temperament, for historical purposes. it's easy to go overboard on this, and some of these categories might seem obvious, but if it wasn't for my little notebook, i wouldn't remember exactly when i added apistan strips. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:12 EDT 1999 Article: 16629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!europa.netcrusader.net!141.211.144.13!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1999 00:53:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990419194622.24748.00002756@ng31.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990419205322.25712.00002729@ng30.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16629 >Steal one of your kids "Gummy Bear" candy and use it to plug the hole in the >event of no candy handy. > > > I don't know if i buy the gummy deal simply mix 10x sugar and very little water Instant candy plug replacement. Hey don't forget if that queen has been in there that long she needs a drop or two of water on the screen, if the workers drink it real quick, give em some more. Sometimes you'll run into this if your pkg has been post office bound for a couple of days or longer...usually the worst has happend by then anyway and you get dead queens unless she's inside a package of bees of course where they'll feed her through the screen if necessary. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1999 01:06:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990419141542.18899.00002133@ng134.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990419210607.25712.00002738@ng30.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16630 >1) Combine the two packages in one hive. or; >2) Take some brood from the one hive and put it in the queenless one so they >can rear a new queen. > >Any of you old hands out there think these might be good plans? Rule number one : look at your queen cage before taking out the plug rule nu,mber two : Its always best to start with 2 hives instead of one so if you loose a queen you can put some brood from one into the other. good luck, Lessons learned the hard way are not soon forgotten . Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From bekettm@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bekettm@aol.com (BekettM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1999 01:46:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7fge21$ho4$2@news1.Radix.Net> Message-ID: <19990419214624.22407.00003135@ng21.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16631 OK, I wonder though if when people say pull the frames in a few days to check for eggs, they are referring to checking in frames with previously drawn comb. I installed my bees on Saturday in a brand-new hive with no drawn comb. I went into the hive Monday afternoon to check for eggs to see if the queen were getting busy, and could not find any drawn comb in which to check for eggs. There were bees crawling all over, but I couldn't really locate any comb. How many days should I allow to pass for the bees to draw comb in which the queen can lay eggs before I open the hive to check if she has actually begun laying eggs? When should I start worrying that the queen may be missing? Keep in mind that while I did check Monday, it was my first time opening a hive and pulling frames, so it's possible that I skittered through the job so quickly I missed the drawn comb, but it should be pretty obvious shouldn't it? Will the bees be drawning comb on one frame at a time, or will they begin on multiple frames? Am I correct in assuming that I have to wait for the bees to draw comb before I can find queen eggs? From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:09:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7fge21$ho4$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <924538840.440.6@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16632 "Dave Marple" wrote: >I have a beginner question...A few days ago I installed my first package >bees into new hives. With the first hive, I took out the queen box and >proceeded to remove the cork. All I have ever read is that there is a candy >inside to keep the queen in the box until there is time to eat through the >candy. There was no candy in the hole, and the queen came out and flew >behind my head. I couldn't locate her, and there were 50 or more bees that >had escaped when I took out the queen box. I emptied the bees in the hive >body and left the empty queen box inside. I left the top cover off the hive >for about 10 minutes in hopes that they queen would follow the masses into >the hive. >Can I expect her to have gone into the hive? It has been three days now and >the activity at the hive entrance seems normal. If she isn't in there, how >long would the colony stay in the hive, or what could I expect them to do? >The second package was hived without this problem. I am new at this, so I >am looking for any help, thanks. If all seems normal then I would bet she's in there. I'm assuming that they were shiped through the mail. She has been with them long enough to be their own. They will scent for her so that she can find her way. Give her a couple more days then look for eggs. Do this fast with very little smoke. As soon as you see eggs put the frame back and close them up. Leave them alone for at least a week. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From bekettm@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bekettm@aol.com (BekettM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: If 10 frames were 9 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1999 02:13:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990419221309.22407.00003147@ng21.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16633 I just picked up a book on beekeeping written by a woman who ran a bee farm in Missouri for a number of years, called "A Book of Bees." The author, Sue Hubbell, was featured this last weekend in the Boston Globe magazine. It's the only how-to book on beekeeping that I've read that has been recommended by the New York Times Book Review as a "Notable Book of the Year." Anyway, she writes in her book: "Once the bees have worked on the sheets of beeswax foundation in the 10 frames and built full, fat combs in which they will raise young bees or store nectar and pollen, it is usual to remove one of the frames in order that the remaining nine can be handled by the beekeeper more easily....It is for this reason that the standard 10-frame hive body, when it is in working order, usually contains only nine frames, which makes newcomers to the craft doubt a beekeeper's ability to count." The four dots hold the place where she reminds of the importance of maintaining bee space. With that in mind, is this an accurate description of the hives of all you commerical operators, sideliners and veteran hobbyists out there? Do you suggest lightening the brood chamber by one frame to ease handling? From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!korova.insync.net!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:58:00 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7fgjej$di4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <7fg59g$t5g$1@news1.Radix.Net> <371b9eb1.15626231@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.33 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 20 00:58:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16634 In article <371b9eb1.15626231@news.ptway.com>, not@fur.ur.use (gorg) wrote: > On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:39:45 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > > >not@fur.ur.use wrote: > > > >>Can anyone tell me the recipe for the Candy to put in Queen release > >>cages? thanks. > > > >It's powdered sugar and numoline. > > > >The answer to your next question is: Numoline is a invert > >syrup used by bakeries. > > > Gee, you read my mind. Do you know what my next quesiton is? Here > goes..... Where do you (or in this case, I) get Numoline? IF it is legal in your state and IF you have honey you are certain does not contain AFB spores and IF you are using the queen cages in your own operation only THEN the very best queen candy is made with honey and powdered sugar (and you likely have the ingredients on hand). Otherwise if you are in need of but a small batch of queen candy use corn syrup and powdered sugar. But to answer your actual question I believe you can buy Numoline from Kelley's. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing First Hive Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:00:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <924576992.254.98@news.remarQ.com> References: <19990419194622.24748.00002756@ng31.aol.com> <19990419205322.25712.00002729@ng30.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:56:32 GMT X-Trace: 924576992.254.98 DX3JXEXMC0F101874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16635 >I don't know if i buy the gummy deal >simply mix 10x sugar and very little water >Instant candy plug replacement. Never heard the gummy bear one myself but will probably work because I know a marshmellow will. Gummy bears can be expensive if you get your kids going on them. From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! is anyone alive out there? Swarm advise needed! Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:11:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <924577662.286.32@news.remarQ.com> References: <371BD139.5B671185@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:07:42 GMT X-Trace: 924577662.286.32 DX3JXEXMC0F101874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16636 >I just captured a swarm of about 5 lbs of bees, and need to know the >best way/time/etc to introduce them into my brand new hive complete with >foundation, etc. I want to do this right and not have these bees >swarming again... any one out there? If you captured them and are wondering how to introduce them to your new hive where are they now? The best place is in the new hive. If they find it suitable they'll stay, if not they'll leave. Only way to make them stay is find the queen (nearly impossible in swarm but don't hurt to look) and clip the outer 1/2 to 1/3 of one wing or block her in hive (you have to know she's in there for this or it'll backfire) by placing a queen excluder (if you've got one) between the bottom board and brood box and have no other holes. Beekeepers with established colonies will place a frame of healthy, preferably open brood in the box they shake a swarm into to entice them to stay. I also like an extracted comb wet with honey (ok if last year's) to bribe em. If none of these are available simply providing some feed is better than nothing at all especially on foundation. And with your foundation, push the frames together tight toward the center so as to make the space between as narrow as possible so they don't burr across the wrong way. This will leave a gap by each sidewall but that's ok because they'll work here last and you can space them apart in center once they've started drawing them. Good luck, I hope they stay for you. Bob Nelson From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: If 10 frames were 9 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:36:26 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <924579130.023.77@news.remarQ.com> References: <19990419221309.22407.00003147@ng21.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.41 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:32:10 GMT X-Trace: 924579130.023.77 DX3JXEXMC0F291874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16637 With that in mind, is this an accurate description of >the hives of all you commerical operators, sideliners and veteran hobbyists out >there? Yes, I would say it is accurate. A very high percentage of commercially run colonies have 9 frames per hive body/super throughout. Sometimes in high honey production areas they will even run 8 in the supers. This as does the 9 facilitates nearly complete uncapping in mechanical uncappers so little has to be scratched. It is ultimately a matter of choice. The 9 combs make working a colony easier and less rubbing of bees pulling the first frame up. You have room to push a couple of the outside ones together a bit to remove the first one, impossible with 10. (Most) anyone who works more than a few colonies of bees and has experience with 9 frames will cuss when they have to pull frames out of a box with 10 present. You can put frame(s) of foundation in boxes of 9 combs so long as you scoot the adjacent frames to the foundation in close to them and space the drawn combs slightly wider, better to burr them up than your nice, new foundation. Do you suggest lightening the brood chamber by one frame to ease >handling? No, it's not to "lighten" the load. A brood chamber with 9 frames will weigh just as much if not more than one with 10. Because the bees draw the cells out with honey to meet with the normal bee space the combs will be thicker (not true of area with brood). You will have one less bee space present with 9 thus that much less "air" which is replaced with honey I guarantee a honey super with 9 comb chocked full of honey weighs more than one with 10. And you otta feel one with 8 frames mentioned above chocked full of honey (deep can have 80+) Food for thought, huh! Bob Nelson From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: recipes Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:04:06 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 53 Message-ID: <371BD286.5D98A7B@valley.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-105.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16638 rconner wrote: > My name is Lisa and I was wondering if anyone has any recipes that call for > honey. I am interested in the odd things like candles, ornaments and creams > or lotions. We just started a bee colony yesterday. I realize it will take > time to produce a good bit of honey but the place we bought the bees from > had these things in the gift shop. Anything would be appreciated. Thanks for > your thought in advance. > rconner@cwix.com greetings, don't know if this qualifies as 'odd' or not, but i just grilled a london broil last night and whipped up this marinade after rummaging around in the kitchen for a few minutes. it came out pretty good; at least the meat was edible. few tablespoons olive oil [quantity depends on size of cut] one heaping teaspoon honey ['heaping' only works, if it's starting to crystallize] one teaspoon vinegar [i used red wine] one teaspoon lemon juice [you will probably want to tweak the ratio of vinegar and lemon juice to honey to find the balance you like best. sweeter works better for chicken.] one clove garlic, cleaned and crushed [or one heaping teaspoon crushed garlic in oil, which is what i use] one quarter teaspoon sage one quarter teaspoon thyme one quarter teaspoon basil one quarter teaspoon crushed black pepper one quarter teaspoon salt one squirt lea & perrins worcestershire sauce [careful, it packs a wallop] mix all ingredients well spear meat well with fork spread a couple of teaspoons of marinade on meat flip meat and spread remainder on other side marinade 30 minutes cook to taste on the grill the honey makes the sauce thicken well and cling to the meat as it cooks. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do about ants by my hives Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:18:50 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 45 Message-ID: <371BD5F9.769B93C4@valley.net> References: <371b90b2.14363022@news.ntplx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-105.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16639 mski wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm a new owner of two hives. I had them for about two weeks and > have recently noticed a good number of ants going after the sugar > water that I'm feeding my bees. > > I'm worried that they may eventually go and get the honey as well. > > What precautions can I do to rid the ants out of the area, without > risking danger with my bees? > > Thanks, > > Mark greetings, a healthy colony should be able to repel raiders, such as ants. if your colonies are new [2 weeks old from packages?] and the new brood from the queens have not hatched, yet, while your fields bees are dying off gradually [a natural process and nothing to get alarmed about], for the next couple of weeks the populations are probably as low as they are going to get this season, and defenses are weakest. unlikely the ants will become a problem, but, if you're using boardman feeders, consider going to interior feeders, either top feeders or division feeders. it is much more difficult for the ants to actually penetrate deep into the hive to raid these syrup sources, unlike the boardman feeders, which sit right at the entrance [and often leak from the underside right onto the landing board]. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:54:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 62 Message-ID: <924580217.072.30@news.remarQ.com> References: <7fge21$ho4$2@news1.Radix.Net> <19990419214624.22407.00003135@ng21.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.41 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:50:17 GMT X-Trace: 924580217.072.30 DX3JXEXMC0F291874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16640 >OK, I wonder though if when people say pull the frames in a few days to check >for eggs, they are referring to checking in frames with previously drawn comb. Yes > >How many days should I allow to pass for the bees to draw comb in which the >queen can lay eggs before I open the hive to check if she has actually begun >laying eggs? To start with if you're on only foundation you should be feeding sugar syrup to help the little buggers draw wax as it takes syrup or honey flow for the bees to secrete wax. I like to leave em alone for a week. It's hard to do but it will lessen the chance of them killing a newly released queen. Even though they have accepted her she's still new to them and proving her worth by starting to lay eggs. The bees are also nervous about the comotion and will jump on her and kill her if they're not quite sure. When should I start worrying that the queen may be missing? Give em a week. If they're buzzing ( not from you smoking them too heavy and there are no eggs present) she's probably a goner. If in doubt leave em a few more days. After 10 days to 2 weeks cut your loss and combine with another hive. You could have given them some brood from another hive by now and if she's gone they'll be raising a new queen. Leave them alone from this point for 23 days. If they get the job done she should be hatched, mated and laying by then. >but it should be pretty obvious shouldn't it? May not be. They start the wax from the mid rib of foundation and with it all light colored can be easy for untrained eye to miss. Let alone the eggs against the light colored back ground. You'll know an egg when you see it. If you can't see it and have reasonably good vision and light it probably isn't there. >Will the bees be drawning comb on one frame at a time, or will they begin on >multiple frames? You ask too many questions, I didn't realize what I got myself into. They'll usually start with one side of one and work opposite it on the next frame over. Help them out and put them back in the same order you remove them. Am I correct in assuming that I have to wait for the bees to >draw comb before I can find queen eggs? There will be eggs present before the cells are fully drawn on foundation. That (hopefully) young queen is gung ho to proliferate and will fill the cells as the workers can prepare them and care for the new brood. Once again help them out with some sugar syrup. Take no offense on the crack about too many questions, they're good ones. Good luck. Bob Nelson From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Shim between supers Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1999 02:40:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990419224022.11187.00002845@ng156.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16641 There's a device in the Brushy Mountain catalog called an Imirie Shim. It's a super-size frame of wood that creates a small entrance where the wood has been notched out of it on one side. From the drawing in the catalog, it appears to create a small amount of extra vertical space between supers. My question is to anyone out ther who has used this. Does it screw up the bee space dynamics in the interior of the hive and prompt the creation of burr comb? Any other problems in using this gadget? From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!news1!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are you looking for bees? Or have bees available? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1999 04:09:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990420000938.07783.00002823@ng140.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16642 The Pollination Home Page has a listing of US and Canadian beekeepers who have bees available for pollination service. We have now begun a separate listing of growers who are seeking beekeepers. If you are looking for bees, or have bees available, please e-mail with your complete info. We are doing our best to get all listings on within 24 hours. The page address is: http://www.pollinator.com This is a free service; no endorsements or recommendations are expressed or implied. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <371BD139.5B671185@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping CC: hk1beeman@aol.com Subject: Help! is anyone alive out there? Swarm advise needed! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:53:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-216-76-142-52.atl.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:53:44 EST Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16643 I know its beginner stuff, but it has been 22 years since I last worked a hive. I need some help. I just captured a swarm of about 5 lbs of bees, and need to know the best way/time/etc to introduce them into my brand new hive complete with foundation, etc. I want to do this right and not have these bees swarming again... any one out there? Thanks, David Lynes, Woodstock, GA From joii4ozr@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:23 EDT 1999 Article: 16644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.iae.nl!newsfeed.wli.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and bears Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:38:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7fh0bh$ohd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19990419084701.16041.00002682@ng-fr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 20 04:38:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16644 In article <19990419084701.16041.00002682@ng-fr1.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > I have some property in cottage country. There is about 3 or 4 acres cleared > near my cottage and near the gravel road. I've yet to see a bear but I'm sure > they are in the area. My question is if I install a few beehives will it > attract bears like garbage would. Any advice would be appreciated. > > thank you > al > Yes, you will probably attract bears. They will find the hives more quickly if you put them in an area where the bears normally go, but if you've got bears, they'll eventually find 'em no matter what. A dog might help keep them away, but I wouldn't count on it. The only way that I know that is certain to work is with an electric fence. -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan (current editor of MS magazine) http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!xmission!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <371C1434.A32842FA@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Swarm advise needed! Followup...(Long) References: <371BD139.5B671185@bellsouth.net> <924577662.286.32@news.remarQ.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:44:21 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.76.142.52 X-Trace: news1.atl 924586771 216.76.142.52 (Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:39:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:39:31 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16645 Thanks to the big Johnson, quick advise given when needed! And to Bob Nelson for the practical advise... First, let me say I haven't had a hive for 22 years. Second, I never worked with swarms. But recently I felt it was my duty to the earth, the trees and gardeners in my area to keep a few hives. So I put together some hives, and I let my local association know I was ready for bees. The advise was not to order by the pound, but to wait a couple weeks and I could get lucky with a swarm or two. I got a call early this evening, that there was a large swarm near my neighborhood, go get it. I gathered my measly equipment and went. I arrived to find a HUGE swarm about 24 feet up (there was a 22 foot extension ladder nearby, is how I know...) The swarm was mainly hanging >from a branch, with loads of honeysuckle vine all around. I donned my veil, my gloves and up I went. I tied the top of the ladder to the tree, got my box, raked the main part of the swarm into the box, sawed off part of the branch to get the rest, untangled the vines, taking many with me... I could really smell the scent! It was so strong, kind of a parsley or lemon grass smell. I set the box on the driveway on its side with a flap closed and watched many of the loose bees gather in the box. I sprayed them with some sugar water, and waited for them to settle. When they did, I brushed a bunch more into the box, closed it up with tape and put it in my Bronco. I could feel the heat of the swarm through the cardboard. While waiting for them to settle, I noticed another smaller swarm settling back on a branch close by the original one, so I borrowed a smaller box and climbed up to get these. I held the box upside down over this group, and they gradually climbed into the dark space. I closed this one up too and went home. I estimated the swarm must have weighed 5 or 6 lbs, but after the initial cry for help, I weighed the closed boxes and then again after removing the bees... The weight of the bees themselves was closer to 9 pounds! What a swarm! Somebody lost a big bunch of their bees! Kevin Johnson advised me that if there was so many, they might suffocate in the box overnight. I cut slits in the box with a knife, but I too worried, as there was no way for the heat in the box to escape. I decided, after talking with Kevin, to go ahead (9:30pm) and put them in the new hive. He suggested taking out 2 frames and pouring them in, but the mass was so big, I would have had to remove all of the frames to get them in. I put a small flashlight in the bottom of a deep hive body with frames, with an empty deep on top of that, poured brushed, shook the swarm into the empty, and watched them crawl down to the light. The little ladies immediately started chewing on the foundation, many of them stood at the entrance and all sides fanning, it was beautiful. If I wasn't so excited, I would have been scared stiff! (Had to act like I knew what I was doing up that tree, though, the neighborhood was watching and taking pictures!) Some of the bees started massing on the outside of the hive away from where I was. There were masses on the ground, back on the box... I carefully put on the cover and started an entrance feeder, tomorrow will put a feeder in side... Went back a few minutes ago, found little clusters on the ground around the hive, a couple of groups were massing around drones... I didn't know they took drones with them when they swarmed... Picked them up as carefully as I could and put them on the entrance, watched as many of them calmly walked in... Whew. Ok, hope I did that right. I think I will let them draw out comb, then split it maybe into 3 with all new queens. I think I can call it a day now. Thanks for all your help. David Lynes, Woodstock, GA From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: recipes Lines: 160 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Apr 1999 17:55:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990419135543.11141.00002249@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16646 "Super Formulas, Arts & Crafts: How to make 360 useful products that contain honey & beeswax" 120-page book by Elaine C. White Copyright 1993 ISBN 0-9637539-7-5 Available from bookstores, libraries and directly from the publisher. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Petroleum Jelly Petroleum jelly is easy to make and it is an ingredient of many other products. Naturalists may substitute a natural oil, such as grapeseed oil or sweet almond oil, for the baby or mineral oil to create an "un-petroleum" jelly. 1 ounce (weight) beeswax 1/2 cup baby or mineral oil Melt the beeswax in a microwave or a double boiler. Stir in the mineral oil. Remove the mixture from the heat and stir until cool. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Skin Cream 2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax 4 ounces (weight) lanolin 2/3 cup baby or mineral oil 3/4 cup water 1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) Fragrant essential oil (optional) Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Beeswax Polish Beeswax furniture polish with its soft, satin shine is considered the ultimate in wood care. 4 ounces (weight) beeswax 2 tablespoons carnauba wax 2 1/2 cups odorless turpentine Melt the waxes on high in a microwave or in a double boiler. Remove the waxes >from the heat and stir in the turpentine. Apply the polish with a clean cloth and rub in small circles. Turn the cloth as it becomes dirty. Allow the polish to dry, then buff with a clean cloth. If more than one coat is desired, wait 2 days between applications. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Lip Gloss Lipstick colors this easy formula for lip gloss. This is a good way to use lipstick that is too dark because the gloss will be a lighter color. 1 teaspoon grated beeswax 1/2 teaspoon lipstick 1/2 teaspoon petroleum jelly Melt the ingredients in a small can placed in boiling water. Stir it well and pour it into a small jar. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Dispersing Bath Oil Most bath oils simply float on water. Dispersing bath oil mixes evenly with water, clings to skin and forms a thin, even coating. 1 whole egg 1/2 cup baby or mineral oil 2 teaspoons liquid detergent 1/4 cup vodka 2 tablespoons honey 1/4 cup whole milk Fragrant essential oil (optional) Liquid food coloring (optional) Mix all ingredients in a blender for 30 seconds. Use only 1 or 2 tablespoons of the oil in a bathtub of water. Shelf-life at room temperature is about 18 months! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Chapped-lip Balm Simple petroleum jelly is good for chapped lips, but this formula is even better. 1 tablespoon grated beeswax (1/2 oz.) 1 tablespoon petroleum jelly 1 teaspoon honey 1 tablespoon lanolin 3 to 4 drops essential oil blend Melt the wax, lanolin and petroleum jelly in a microwave. Add the honey and essential oil. Essential oil of peppermint, eucalyptus, wintergreen and camphor slightly numb painful lips. Stir the mixture until it cools. Tiger Balm recipe: Ingredients: % by weight amt. needed for 56oz. batch Menthol crystals 20% 9.6 oz. Camphor blocks 32% 15.36 oz. Bees wax 20% 9.6 oz. Petroleum jelly 4% 1.92 oz. oil of clove 8% 3.8 oz. oil of cajuput 8% 3.8 oz. oil of cinnamon 8% 3.8 oz. ( optional)ammonium hydroxide 1 oz. Melt beeswax and petrolium jelly in a pot until completely liquified. Remove >from heat, quickly stir in camphor blocks (may help to chop or grate camphor prior). Add rest of ingredients, stir until consistent, and camphor has melted. Pour into permanant container, and let congeal. The above recipe will make a nice tiger balm equivalent to the commercial white stuff. If ammonium hydroxide is added, it turns red, and adds a little more heat to it. Honey Cleansing Scrub-- Mix 1 tablespoon of honey with 2 tablespoons finely ground almonds and 1/2 teaspoon lemon juice. Rub gently onto face. Rinse off with warm water. Firming Face Mask-- Whisk together 1 tablespoon honey, 1 egg white, 1 teaspoon glycerin (available at drug and beauty stores) and enough flour to form a paste (approximately 1/4 cup). Smooth over face and throat. Leave on 10 minutes. Rinse off with warm water. Moisture Mask-- Mix 2 tablespoons honey with 2 teaspoons milk. Smooth over face and throat. Leave on 10 minutes. Rinse off with warm water. Smoothing Skin Lotion-- Mix 1 teaspoon honey with 1 teaspoon vegetable oil and 1/4 teaspoon lemon juice. Rub into hands, elbows, heels and anywhere that feels dry. Leave on 10 minutes. Rinse off with water. Skin Softening Bath-- Add 1/4 cup honey to bath water for a fragrant, silky bath. Hair Shine-- Stir 1 teaspoon honey into 4 cups (1 quart) warm water. Blondes may wish to add a squeeze of lemon. After shampooing, pour mixture through hair. Do not rinse out. Dry as normal. Download the National Honey Board's Bright & Beautiful brochure (includes all of the above recipes). Maybe this will keep you busy for awhile laura -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rconner@cwix.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.136.1.211!news.cwi.net!news-out.cwix.com!news.cwix.com!not-for-mail From: "rconner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990419135543.11141.00002249@ng-ca1.aol.com> Subject: Re: recipes Lines: 201 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:40:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.62.74.24 X-Complaints-To: news@cw.net X-Trace: news.cwix.com 924604822 166.62.74.24 (Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:40:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:40:22 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16647 Wow! Thanks Laura. I didn't realize how many things were out there. This sure will keep me busy. Hopefully our bees do well. Will keep you informed, and thanks a lot. LauraMLeek wrote in message news:19990419135543.11141.00002249@ng-ca1.aol.com... > "Super Formulas, Arts & Crafts: How to make 360 useful products that contain > honey & beeswax" 120-page book by Elaine C. White Copyright 1993 ISBN > 0-9637539-7-5 > Available from bookstores, libraries and directly from the publisher. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Petroleum Jelly > Petroleum jelly is easy to make and it is an ingredient of many other products. > Naturalists may substitute a natural oil, such as grapeseed oil or sweet almond > oil, for the baby or mineral oil to create an "un-petroleum" jelly. > > 1 ounce (weight) beeswax > 1/2 cup baby or mineral oil > > Melt the beeswax in a microwave or a double boiler. Stir in the mineral oil. > Remove the mixture from the heat and stir until cool. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Skin Cream > 2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax > 4 ounces (weight) lanolin > 2/3 cup baby or mineral oil > 3/4 cup water > 1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) > Fragrant essential oil (optional) > > Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in > a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted and the > borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring. > When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. > Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Beeswax Polish > Beeswax furniture polish with its soft, satin shine is considered the ultimate > in wood care. 4 ounces (weight) beeswax > 2 tablespoons carnauba wax > 2 1/2 cups odorless turpentine > Melt the waxes on high in a microwave or in a double boiler. Remove the waxes > from the heat and stir in the turpentine. Apply the polish with a clean cloth > and rub in small circles. Turn the cloth as it becomes dirty. Allow the polish > to dry, then buff with a clean cloth. If more than one coat is desired, wait 2 > days between applications. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Lip Gloss > Lipstick colors this easy formula for lip gloss. This is a good way to use > lipstick that is too dark because the gloss will be a lighter color. > > 1 teaspoon grated beeswax > 1/2 teaspoon lipstick > 1/2 teaspoon petroleum jelly > Melt the ingredients in a small can placed in boiling water. Stir it well and > pour it into a small jar. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Dispersing Bath Oil > Most bath oils simply float on water. Dispersing bath oil mixes evenly with > water, clings to skin and forms a thin, even coating. > > 1 whole egg > 1/2 cup baby or mineral oil > 2 teaspoons liquid detergent > 1/4 cup vodka > 2 tablespoons honey > 1/4 cup whole milk > Fragrant essential oil (optional) > Liquid food coloring (optional) > > Mix all ingredients in a blender for 30 seconds. Use only 1 or 2 tablespoons of > the oil in a bathtub of water. Shelf-life at room temperature is about 18 > months! > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Chapped-lip Balm > Simple petroleum jelly is good for chapped lips, but this formula is even > better. > > 1 tablespoon grated beeswax (1/2 oz.) > 1 tablespoon petroleum jelly > 1 teaspoon honey > 1 tablespoon lanolin > 3 to 4 drops essential oil blend > > Melt the wax, lanolin and petroleum jelly in a microwave. Add the honey and > essential oil. Essential oil of peppermint, eucalyptus, wintergreen and camphor > slightly numb painful lips. Stir the mixture until it cools. > > > Tiger Balm recipe: > Ingredients: % by weight amt. needed for 56oz. batch > Menthol crystals 20% 9.6 oz. > Camphor blocks 32% 15.36 oz. > Bees wax 20% 9.6 oz. > Petroleum jelly 4% 1.92 oz. > oil of clove 8% 3.8 oz. > oil of cajuput 8% 3.8 oz. > oil of cinnamon 8% 3.8 oz. > ( optional)ammonium hydroxide 1 oz. > > Melt beeswax and petrolium jelly in a pot until completely liquified. Remove > from heat, quickly stir in camphor blocks (may help to chop or grate camphor > prior). Add rest of ingredients, stir until consistent, and camphor has melted. > Pour into permanant container, and let congeal. The above recipe will make a > nice tiger balm equivalent to the commercial white stuff. If ammonium hydroxide > is added, it turns red, and adds a little more heat to it. > > Honey Cleansing Scrub-- Mix 1 tablespoon of honey with 2 tablespoons finely > ground almonds and 1/2 teaspoon lemon juice. Rub gently onto face. Rinse off > with warm water. > > Firming Face Mask-- Whisk together 1 tablespoon honey, 1 egg white, 1 teaspoon > glycerin (available at drug and beauty stores) and enough flour to form a paste > (approximately 1/4 cup). Smooth over face and throat. Leave on 10 minutes. > Rinse off with warm water. > > Moisture Mask-- Mix 2 tablespoons honey with 2 teaspoons milk. Smooth over > face and throat. Leave on 10 minutes. Rinse off with warm water. > > Smoothing Skin Lotion-- Mix 1 teaspoon honey with 1 teaspoon vegetable oil and > 1/4 teaspoon lemon juice. Rub into hands, elbows, heels and anywhere that feels > dry. Leave on 10 minutes. Rinse off with water. > > Skin Softening Bath-- Add 1/4 cup honey to bath water for a fragrant, silky > bath. > > Hair Shine-- Stir 1 teaspoon honey into 4 cups (1 quart) warm water. Blondes > may wish to add a squeeze of lemon. After shampooing, pour mixture through > hair. Do not rinse out. Dry as normal. > > Download the National Honey Board's Bright & Beautiful brochure (includes all > of the above recipes). > > Maybe this will keep you busy for awhile > > laura > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:32:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7fhpjq$86a$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7fge21$ho4$2@news1.Radix.Net> <19990419214624.22407.00003135@ng21.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16648 bekettm@aol.com (BekettM) wrote: >OK, I wonder though if when people say pull the frames in a few days to check >for eggs, they are referring to checking in frames with previously drawn comb. >I installed my bees on Saturday in a brand-new hive with no drawn comb. I went >into the hive Monday afternoon to check for eggs to see if the queen were >getting busy, and could not find any drawn comb in which to check for eggs. >There were bees crawling all over, but I couldn't really locate any comb. >How many days should I allow to pass for the bees to draw comb in which the >queen can lay eggs before I open the hive to check if she has actually begun >laying eggs? When should I start worrying that the queen may be missing? >Keep in mind that while I did check Monday, it was my first time opening a hive >and pulling frames, so it's possible that I skittered through the job so >quickly I missed the drawn comb, but it should be pretty obvious shouldn't it? >Will the bees be drawning comb on one frame at a time, or will they begin on >multiple frames? Am I correct in assuming that I have to wait for the bees to >draw comb before I can find queen eggs? On new foundation she will start laying when the cells are just being started. The bees will draw the comb as the grubs grow. FEED, FEED, FEED to get the bees to draw it out quickly and straight. Remember though that the eggs will be very hard to see on new white comb. These old eyes wouldn't even attempt it. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Apr 22 16:30:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: If 10 frames were 9 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1999 12:10:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <924579130.023.77@news.remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19990420081014.05055.00003054@ng137.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16649 When you go to 9 frames of drawn comb push them together in the center leaving the extra space at each side. This gives you your wiggle room to remove an end frame. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu Apr 22 16:30:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and bears Date: Tue, 20 Apr 99 08:54:03 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <183267D2DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19990419084701.16041.00002682@ng-fr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16650 In article <19990419084701.16041.00002682@ng-fr1.aol.com> jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) writes: > > ... I've yet to see a bear but I'm sure >they are in the area.... Yes, bears WILL find your hives. Electric fences are the answer, but be sure to erect the fence before you install your bees. If you wait until after your first bear raid the fence will be less effective. Once bears get a taste from your hives they are much harder to disuade. Aaron Morris - thinking hive it and they will come! From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Terramycin formula Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:27:52 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7fi2t3$m4v$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 20 14:27:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16651 In article , vfarm@excite.com (RemarQ User) wrote: > Could somebody please forward me the formula for the > terramycin mix to put in the hives? I remember it was > terramycin, vegetable oil, and powdered sugar - but I > don't remember the amounts of each. Thanks! > > -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- > Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser - FREE - > Dadant recommends 1 6.4 oz pkg Terramycin, 4.6 lbs vegetable shortening (NOT vegetable oil), 9.12 lbs powdered sugar to make 14 1 lb extender patties. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From jenlea@globalnet.co.uk Thu Apr 22 16:30:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "I.Lawson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apiamondia 2001 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:47:03 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7fipd7$2md$1@newnews.global.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.137.117 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16652 Does anyone know where and when the 2001 Conference is going to be? I believe it may be in South Africa, or did I make that up in a dream somewhere?? A good holiday would be nice then! Ian. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Apr 22 16:30:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shim between supers Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Apr 1999 22:09:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990419224022.11187.00002845@ng156.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990420180905.24777.00003931@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16653 George Imrie uses them and he knows his stuff. I just cut a v shaped notch in the super as it is one less piece of equipment to worry about. Suppoisedly it keeps many bees from trucking on through the brood nest and causing congestion. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cells in a New Hive Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:16:17 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7fiv3b$2ir$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7fgtla$m9f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.152 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 924647339 2651 12.72.45.152 (20 Apr 1999 22:28:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Apr 1999 22:28:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16654 My take is that you have a poorly mated queen (looks small) and the cell is a supercedure cell (usually located on the face of the comb and few, whereas a swarm cell will usually occur along the bottom of the frame and many, but bees don't always follow this generalization). I would leave the cell and let them complete what they have started. If you destroy the cell they will just build more. You will probably find that the new queen will be superior. Of course there is a risk that she may not make it back to the hive after mating (preditor, poor navigation, etc), but they will likely let the old queen remain until the new is mated so this should not be a problem. Another option is to see if the supplier will send you a replacement but then you have the introduction and acceptance to deal with. Whatever, make sure she is marked. You did not mention what part of the world you are from or more importantly in this case where the package came from. March in California (and the west) had dismal weather and I had a poor results getting mated queens (1 in 3) in some mating nucs I set up. Your supplier may have had poor mating results due to weather. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail wrote in message news:7fgtla$m9f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com... > I bought a package of bees on March 27 and placed them in a brand new hive. > Now, three weeks later, a queen cell appears to be developing. Does this > mean that they are preparing to swarm? They have drawn out about 7 frames of > comb and of those seven, 3 frames of ready to hatch brood along with 2 or 3 > frames of eggs. In addition, large amounts of nectar and pollen have been > collected and placed in these frames. Does this sound like a normal thing? > Should I kill off the queen cell? My current queen is still kind of small > but she seems to be laying in a good normal pattern. Thanks for the help. > > Don S. > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Thu Apr 22 16:30:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help me identify this bee Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:28:20 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <371687F3.4B83@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <371687F3.4B83@earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16655 you didn't mention whether a) your house is near a parking lot, b) the bee was carrying a guitar, or c) the bee was wearing dark shades. if both a) and b), it was definitely elvis. if only c), it was only michael. On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, workerbee wrote: > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:44:35 -0400 > From: workerbee > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: Help me identify this bee > > Lincoln Michaud wrote: > > > > Well, there I was...just minden' me own buisness, painting the house, on a > > ladder, and this giant bee came over to investigate. I am a sometimes > > beekeeper, recently moved to New Mexico from the east, so was quite > > interested in this insect. Now this fella' could be described as the > > Arnold Schwartzamacallit of bees.........AND, he had an "attitude"....! > > Like man, this here's mah' territory, and I don't like you trespassin' > > ....one bit!! > > > > I tipped my head back when he hovered in front of me about 10" away, so I > > could get a perfect look at him thru my watcha ma focals. God, that had to > > one of the prettiest insects I have ever seen! I would have to describe > > him(maybe her) as a spunky bumblebee gone "hollywood". He had thick > > abdomen hair that was a greenish gold, with super polished black legs. The > > tips of his hair were yellow gold, giving him a velvety look. He didn't > > look as blocky as a bumble bee, with fore-abdomen and head slightly > > smaller that his stern. > > > > But his attitude....!!! If he ever entered a bee hive the guard bees > > would run for cover! He seemed to fly with a purpose....not wavering > > around like a bumble bee might do. He flew away after his first check of > > me and returned from a long distance like some jet fighter on a > > mission........hanging in front of me, as if to say..."I already gave you > > one warning....move it buster" > > > > I have to admit...I almost fell off the ladder... > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Lincoln > > > > (no, he didn't have an Austrian accent and he didn't say.."I'll be back") > Sounds like an April Fools bee to me but it is a little late. If you can > find its home check the size of the cells. I've heard of some the size > of shot glasses in your area. > > > Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Thu Apr 22 16:30:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa mite control Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:50:30 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <7fft47$86v@news2.tds.net> <19990419164226.05188.00000519@ng57.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: RITAHAROLD In-Reply-To: <19990419164226.05188.00000519@ng57.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16656 apistan strips contain fluvalinate, which kills mites. if the strips you mentioned came on small tabs on queen cage, get rid of these as soon as you take delivery. too long exposure to even small queen tabs is detrimental to queens. full-size strips are good for up to about 45 days, check label in package to be sure. strips need to be placed in brood nest where nurse bees occur, which is where the brood is. consider your mite treatment a set of two windows of opportunity, but you may not use with honey supers on hive. check a recent issue of bee culture which specifically talks about timing at http://www.airoot.com On 19 Apr 1999, RITAHAROLD wrote: > Date: 19 Apr 1999 20:42:26 GMT > From: RITAHAROLD > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: varroa mite control > > > > > >I recently installed a couple a packages that came with Apistan strips. I > >placed these in the hives along with the bees. Can someone tell me how the > >strip works? How long is it effective? Also, should I always have a Apistan > >strip in the hive or should they be used only in the spring and fall or > >what? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I recently installed a couple a packages that came with Apistan strips. I > >placed these in the hives along with the bees. Can someone tell me how the > >strip works? How long is it effective? Also, should I always have a Apistan > >strip in the hive or should they be used only in the spring and fall or > >what? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From mwhite@globalserve.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!nntpgate.globalserve.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: M&L White Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colony Strength and health Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:24:13 -0700 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3716AD5D.BA6D3856@globalserve.net> References: <7P7P2.1741$ai2.72013@news20.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin275.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 924222365 25046 209.90.139.84 (16 Apr 1999 00:26:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Apr 1999 00:26:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16657 If you see the bees bringing in pollen in the spring chances are the Queen is laying. chris heffner wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have been reading these posts for awhile. I would like to ask a question. > > I am a second year beekeeper from Central Pennsylvania with one hive of > Carniolan's. > > I started this hive from a 4 frame nuc last May. The colony did fairly well > last year as far as buildup was concerned. They were not able to draw out a > super for me though. I wintered them in two deeps and they had a full deep > and a half of honey. > > For the last two weeks our has been in the 60's to 70's everyday. April 3rd > I dusted with Terramycin and put Apistan strips in. During that exam I found > sealed drone and worker brood, but I couldn't find eggs. I thought I might > have a virgin queen from a supersedure. So I went out today to check again > for eggs and larvae and found at least 1 frame of brood in all stages, so I > applied a second dusting. > The lower chamber is not real crowded maybe the equivalent of 3 frames of > bees and the upper chamber which is still atleast half filled with honey has > more bees in it appx. 4 to 5 frames of bees. (This is the best guess I can > give) > > Sorry the background is so long. > > Here are my questions. > 1. Does this sound like a fairly strong hive or weak? > 2. How does one go about assessing strength? > 3. Should I be seeing more brood or better yet how much brood should you see > in a strong and/or weak hive? > I appreciate any advice you might be able to give. > > Your friend in Beekeeping > Chris From vfarm@excite.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: vfarm@excite.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Slide presentation Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <19990416144102.16042.00001436@ng-fr1.aol.com> Lines: 17 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:03:27 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.3.176 X-Trace: WReNphoon3 924538212 10.0.3.176 (Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:10:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:10:12 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16658 Please give me further information about your slide presentations. How many slides? Photos of what? Taken where and when? Cost for copied set of slide presentation? Naration included? -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser - FREE - From vfarm@excite.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: vfarm@excite.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: recipes Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: Lines: 8 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:04:56 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.3.176 X-Trace: WReNphoon3 924538212 10.0.3.176 (Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:10:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:10:12 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16659 If you get direct replies, would you please post them? I too, would be interested in the recipes you've asked for. -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser - FREE - From dmarple@urjet.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The queen got loose...help Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:20:10 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <924538840.440.6@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.136.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:20:40 GMT X-Trace: 924538840.440.6 HP5BVU17I8820D0E7C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16660 I have a beginner question...A few days ago I installed my first package bees into new hives. With the first hive, I took out the queen box and proceeded to remove the cork. All I have ever read is that there is a candy inside to keep the queen in the box until there is time to eat through the candy. There was no candy in the hole, and the queen came out and flew behind my head. I couldn't locate her, and there were 50 or more bees that had escaped when I took out the queen box. I emptied the bees in the hive body and left the empty queen box inside. I left the top cover off the hive for about 10 minutes in hopes that they queen would follow the masses into the hive. Can I expect her to have gone into the hive? It has been three days now and the activity at the hive entrance seems normal. If she isn't in there, how long would the colony stay in the hive, or what could I expect them to do? The second package was hived without this problem. I am new at this, so I am looking for any help, thanks. From harrisonrw@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa mite control Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Apr 1999 01:22:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <371C767F.162D61FB@deletetupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Message-ID: <19990420212238.06498.00002589@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16661 Re: Apistan >Hard to believe that they sell this stuff without proper instructions. Here in the US there are more and more beekeeping suppliers that are selling Apistan strips with no instructions at all. They buy the strips in bulk and ship the quanity of strips you ordered in a plastic bag or some other container with no instructions. For the person who is a new beekeeper how are they suppose to know how to use the strips. Some of the larger beekeeping suppliers are most flagerant violators. It would be in Wellmark International (makers of Apistan) intrests to see that instructions are included with the sale of strips to prevent the missuse of their product. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: marriage wanted3 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:32:33 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7fcj1l$ld4@netnews.hinet.net> <7fhp8t$usd$1@camel21.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb105-46.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 924658415 2683093 209.156.120.184 (21 Apr 1999 01:33:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 1999 01:33:35 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:33811 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16662 sci.agriculture.fruit:2684 sci.agriculture.poultry:9398 sci.agriculture.ratites:1479 In article <7fhp8t$usd$1@camel21.mindspring.com>, "Bob & Darlene Taylor" wrote: > There are probably many sights on the web where people would be > interested in chicken-love, though. Good cluck! There was a pretty funny South Park episode about a sexual predator who only attacked chickens. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: If 10 frames were 9 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:30:47 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19990419221309.22407.00003147@ng21.aol.com> <924579130.023.77@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb105-46.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 924658310 2683093 209.156.120.184 (21 Apr 1999 01:31:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 1999 01:31:50 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16663 In article <924579130.023.77@news.remarQ.com>, "Bob Nelson" wrote: > Do you suggest lightening the brood chamber by one frame to ease > >handling? I didn't see an answer to this question. Is it or is it not a good idea to use nine frames in the brood chambers, also? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From cpullman@ckt.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <371D1235.492B93AA@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: packaged hives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:48:05 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.253.50.113 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 924652005 206.253.50.113 (Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:46:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:46:45 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16664 If you have just placed the bees in this hive it will take them a little time to draw out the foundation in the frames. The hive body you have them in now will serve as their brood rearing area. After they have drawn out all the frames, a new hive body can be added. When a honey flow is on the bees will draw the foundation out quite fast. The cappings will be a beautiful paper white over the honey. If you have problems with them drawing out the frames in the second hive body place a frame or two of drawn comb from the bottom hive body to the top. Place then in the middle of the second hive body. Check in a few days, if there is a honey flow on they will be up there drawing out the rest of the foundation. The health and condition of a hive can be observed at the entrance also.Are they bringing in pollen, is the entrance racing with bees in and out, are there any drones flying around, are there guard bees checking out the entrance,etc. I'm not a pro at beekeeping, but have learned a little. Somebody might have some better suggestions. Have fun with your hive. When you know the honey flow is on, don't open the hive to much or it will slow them down. Take care , Craig From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.208.190.2!news.globix.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:01:05 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7fjbh0$u5v$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> <7fg59g$t5g$1@news1.Radix.Net> <371b9eb1.15626231@news.ptway.com> <7fgjej$di4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fhp8b$86a$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 21 02:01:05 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16665 In article <7fhp8b$86a$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > >IF it is legal in your state and IF you have honey you are certain does not > >contain AFB spores and IF you are using the queen cages in your own operation > >only THEN the very best queen candy is made with honey and powdered sugar (and > >you likely have the ingredients on hand). Otherwise if you are in need of but > >a small batch of queen candy use corn syrup and powdered sugar. > > There is one problem with using honey - the bees devour it. > They may in fact release the queen way too fast. Ya know what - if you have queens getting released "too fast" the problem ain't with "using honey" it is with not mixing in enough powdered sugar. It is tiring hard work to make good queen candy whether you use honey in your own operation (where legal) or use invert syrup. And it often pays to let it set overnight then come knead in some more powdered sugar next morning particularly if you are using it under hot, humid conditions. IF you get lazy you end up with real soft candy and quicker release - of course if you are requeening using queens from your own mating nucs you just picked fresh today a quick release is to be desired when the queen you are replacing was in same state of lay as well. Trouble is most folks don't raise their own queens but depend on someone else to do it and thus are generally dealing with queens sent thru the mail - and that just ain't the same as fresh picked been laying eggs up until moments ago. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Apr 1999 00:46:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <183269730S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Message-ID: <19990420204644.04515.00002996@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16666 I too received 4 packages recently with just a cork and no candy plug. Laura From vfarm@excite.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!WCG!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: vfarm@excite.com (RemarQ User) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Terramycin formula Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Lines: 9 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:24:36 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.19 X-Trace: WReNphoon3 924614877 10.0.2.19 (Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:27:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:27:57 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16667 Could somebody please forward me the formula for the terramycin mix to put in the hives? I remember it was terramycin, vegetable oil, and powdered sugar - but I don't remember the amounts of each. Thanks! -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser - FREE - From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:12:32 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <371D4220.3CE6E349@worldnet.att.net> References: <183269730S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <19990420204644.04515.00002996@ng-fx1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.102.115 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 924664309 401 12.72.102.115 (21 Apr 1999 03:11:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Apr 1999 03:11:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16668 April 2nd I picked up 20 packages, and all of the queen cages had no candy plug, but instead thin round corks inserted side ways into the holes. The vendor ships thousands of packages, however, and my guess is that candy is supplied when the cages are going to be shipped. LauraMLeek wrote: > > I too received 4 packages recently with just a cork and no candy plug. > > Laura From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 22 16:30:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removal of flowers. Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:30:39 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 924546727 nnrp-02:25819 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16669 I never believe much I read in the papers, but some of this I know to be true. This was printed in the 'Mail on Sunday', Sunday 18th April 1999. "Scientists have discovered that pollen from GM crops of oilseed rape can he blown by the wind to cross-pollinate natural crops up to 400 yards away. Discovered? Anyone sensitive to the foul-smelling pollen of rapeseed could have told them that. The same scientists now admit bees could carry the pollen for miles. Didn't the parents of these scientists explain to them as children the facts of life? Did they not tell them about the birds and the bees? A Friends of the Earth spokesman said these admissions were very significant: 'The Government cannot impose regulations on the wind and the birds and the bees, all of which carry pollen.' That is right, but it will not stop it trying. Environment Minister Michael Meacher has already announced a programme to remove flowers attractive to bees." Now I know Mr Meacher MUST be very clever to be an MP., and even brighter than most of his collegues to be Minister of the Environment, But how is he going to remove the flowers? And does he include fruit blossoms in his elimination? Saints preserve us! -- Tom S From allend@internode.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Terramycin formula Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:08:44 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7fjj0a$4bu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7fi2t3$m4v$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 21 04:08:44 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.182 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16670 > > Could somebody please forward me the formula for the > > terramycin mix to put in the hives? I remember it was > > terramycin, vegetable oil, and powdered sugar - but I > > don't remember the amounts of each. Thanks! For info, see 'Extender patties' at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From allend@internode.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!korova.insync.net!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shim between supers Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:21:30 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 72 Message-ID: <7fk8r8$mpu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19990419224022.11187.00002845@ng156.aol.com> <19990420180905.24777.00003931@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.178 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 21 10:21:30 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.178 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16671 > George Imrie uses them and he knows his stuff. I just cut a v shaped notch in > the super as it is one less piece of equipment to worry about. > Suppoisedly it keeps many bees from trucking on through the brood nest and > causing congestion. This one of many techniques for ensuring the entrance is where you want it, and there is no doubt George knows hs stuff. There are many reasons for having an entrance elsewhere than at the hive bottom. The bottom location has the one big advantage that it allows gravity to assist in removing debris, and also allows the heat to rise and stay at the top of a small hive. Other than that, there are arguements to be made for other locations. Apparently, in nature, bees will select smaller entrances than people usually make in standard hives. I am not sure whether there is a proven preference in nature for bees to select a top or bottom entrance, but I have seen plenty of successful hives in walls where the entrance is above the brood. Perhaps some of the swarm chasers on the group could testify to the normal size and location of hives they have found. Perhaps it varies with locality. Anyhow, back to the shim. We used them 25 years ago and went away from them due to the ladder comb problem. (At that time we used to scrape all the hives whenever there was any brace or burr comb. As we got smarter, we learned to quit fighting our bees and let them build as they please). Another thing we tried was two wedge-shaped shims 1/4" at one end, tapering to nothing at the other. These shims went between two boxes on each side of a hive, slightly tilting the stack of top boxes back, and creating a 1/4" slit across the front at the desired point. They worked well for two-queening. We preferred this method to the shim, but we never use either any more, since we now use a 1" (1" = 2.5cm) auger hole about 3-1/2" up from the bottom of each brood chamber box. This gives three entrances in a double hive. We've lately found it unneccessary to remove the entrance reducer using this configuration. The auger holes are a standard size and can be taped or plugged with the cheap little plastic plugs of the type that are used to keep the insides of new pipe clean -- or corks, or chunks of dowel, or wax scrapings, or a Kleenex, etc. etc. Another method to get an upper entrance , if you use excluders, is that you can merely pull the excluder back 1" or so to create a crack and adjust it with tape, if required. FWIW, we never put metal rim excluders on straight, since, if they overhang 1/4" at the right front side edge, they are much easier to grab and peel off without a tool. At one time, we pulled a super on each hive back an inch to provide an entrance above the brood, but decide that this could be too cold in a cool summer. Bees don't like to store honey in any place they have to abandon often due to cold. For best honey storage in supers, it is desirable that the bees are able occupy them continuously during the flow season, so although it is desirable to have lots of super room, it is also desirable to reduce cool draughts. The dynamics are probably different where the nightime temps are around 80 degrees F all summer. Around here, they can get pretty close to freezing sometimes. After a lot of playing around, we decided that having holes in the *supers* (not brood boxes) discouraged honey production in cool summers (we're at 55 degrees N latitude) and quit the practice. We still swear by the auger holes for cutting down drastically on drifting and ensuring direct access by the bees. These holes also are very handy in newly made splits. -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cells in a New Hive Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:19:54 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <924707740.965.66@news.remarQ.com> References: <7fgtla$m9f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fiv3b$2ir$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.4 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:15:40 GMT X-Trace: 924707740.965.66 DX3JXEXMC0F041874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16672 Gotta agree with George whole heartedly. Packages nor nucs usually don't swarm as they have a young queen. Sounds like this hive is doing good so far. The supercedure cells are typically on the side of the comb as opposed to swarm cells which are on the (usually) lower margins. This hive will probably raise a new replacement queen which may co-exist with the old one until she fizzles out completely and the new one will be superior. As a side note on the nucs in East Texas this year. Typically the commercial guys will go back after 23 days and can tell if a nuc is good even if they did not accept the queen cell and raised their own queen. This year word has it that there are queens that the bees raised themselves not laying for upwards of 30 days plus. The jury's still out on whether these queens are going to be any good. From joii4ozr@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Murdered! (queen introduction) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 06:33:42 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 71 Message-ID: <7fbuc6$gek$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fbgee$5kl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Apr 18 06:33:42 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16673 In article <7fbgee$5kl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > PC Boy wrote: > > Or, How Not to Introduce a Queen... > > > > Bummer. Anybody want to share their insights or techniques? > > okay > > > I haven't decided whether to try to recombine the splits > > or try another queen. > > another queen will be another failure I'd put serious odds on it - they told > you they had a gyne and you failed to believe them > > >My preliminary assessment is that > > my major screw up was trying to release her too soon; > > that indeed would not have helped IF things had been going well - it had no > actual impact on the outcome of your situation other than to hasten the demise > of your doomed queen > > > BUT, on the other hand, they really didn't seem to like her > > at all, right from the start, so I'm not sure if they would > > have accepted her even if I hadn't come back in only 18 hours. > > see you did notice it - you just didn't believe it - they told you loud and > clear that they had a gyne (as far as they were concerned - chances are they > were right too) Well, they probably still thought they had one, and they were right in that they HAD one, but I'm pretty sure there's none left now. > > > If I was going to do this over again, I think I'd leave her > > in a corked cage in the hive for a day or two first, then > > replace the cork with candy, and then let them chew her free. > > IF you are CERTAIN you have actually destroyed the gyne (virgin, q-cell, > queen) and given them a spell to figure that out (a few hours to up to 24 Yep. There's where I messed up. Shoulda waited about a day AFTER destroying the Q-cells. Guess I was thinking their communication system was a little more efficient. > hours) then IF the queen is very valuable as in irreplaceable it is indeed > wise to put her in with cork in place and come back again and again if need > be until you get NO cage biting before you allow her to be released. Of > course when we were selecting hard for "mite chewing" I had intro'd queens in > corked cages and them "chewing" bees released them themselves via chewing the > blooming corks out of the cages. Good ideas. I wasn't aware that they could chew through cork though. > > > Comments? > > Just one more - remember that beekeeping is enjoyed by folks of all ages and > genders so please be so kind as to respect that fact. Thanks. You're a good sport. Thanks for the advice! -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan (current editor of MS magazine) http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add new bodies and supers Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Apr 1999 15:33:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <924626117.916.88@news.remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19990421113313.11090.00003324@ng62.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16674 > How long before I will need to add the >next deep hive body and then the honey supers? I guess a lot will dep put it on just before they finish drawing out the last frame in the bottom one Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From islapro@islapro.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!news.mad.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: recipes Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:06:37 +0200 Organization: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <371DA32D.C542D17A@islapro.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip232.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------028B48B24FA9E591CC31CBD8" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16675 Este es un mensaje multipartes en formato MIME. --------------028B48B24FA9E591CC31CBD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mr. Elias Gonzalez San Juan has a page with recipes in spanish, that call for honey, compiled from all over the world. His address on the web is : http://www.iedatos.es/user/usr10005/recetas.htm rconner escribió: > > My name is Lisa and I was wondering if anyone has any recipes that call for > honey. I am interested in the odd things like candles, ornaments and creams > or lotions. We just started a bee colony yesterday. I realize it will take > time to produce a good bit of honey but the place we bought the bees from > had these things in the gift shop. Anything would be appreciated. Thanks for > your thought in advance. > rconner@cwix.com --------------028B48B24FA9E591CC31CBD8 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Tarjeta de Jose Matas Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Jose Matas n: Matas;Jose org: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. adr: Bdo. de Santa Eugenia, 14;;;Santa Maria;Mallorca;07320;SPAIN email;internet: islapro@islapro.com title: marketing tel;work: 971-620-115 tel;fax: 971-140-870 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------028B48B24FA9E591CC31CBD8-- From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: If 10 frames were 9 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:53:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <924706127.151.57@news.remarQ.com> References: <19990419221309.22407.00003147@ng21.aol.com> <924579130.023.77@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.116.15.4 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:48:47 GMT X-Trace: 924706127.151.57 DX3JXEXMC0F041874C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16676 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... > >I didn't see an answer to this question. Is it or is it not a good idea >to use nine frames in the brood chambers, also? > >> Do you suggest lightening the brood chamber by one frame to ease >> >handling? It's personal preference whether you use 9 or 10. The norm of people who work an appreciable number of colonies (more than 1 or 2 or maybe 10) use the 9 combs throughout brood boxes and honey supers. The arguement for 10 frames in brood nest is that much more cell area for queen to lay eggs on as the bees are unable to compensate the number of cells lost by using 9 frames where for honey storage they just draw the combs out farther. I still think there is ample cell space in 9 combs in a brood nest. The ease of working outweighs this possible shortcoming. From freelandmxyz@email.msn.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Mike" Subject: Re: marriage wanted3 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e933992.sea.boeing.com Message-ID: <01be8c2c$c0282a60$acbf7390@e933992> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: The Boeing Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 References: <7fcj1l$ld4@netnews.hinet.net> <7fhp8t$usd$1@camel21.mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:25:44 GMT Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:33825 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16677 sci.agriculture.fruit:2687 sci.agriculture.poultry:9414 sci.agriculture.ratites:1481 Reminds me of two incidents in the Pacific Northwest. I live up here and these really happened! 1) One guy in Enumclaw, WA had a restraining order placed on his neighbor because he was molesting his sheep! 2) Police confronted a man engaged in bestiality with a German Shepherd. Obviously, they couldn't arrest the dog, but they couldn't arrest the man either because he was the "passive participant"! They say "it takes all kinds", but honestly, I think some kinds we can do without;-) Now back to chickens... Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in article ... > In article <7fhp8t$usd$1@camel21.mindspring.com>, "Bob & Darlene Taylor" > wrote: > > > There are probably many sights on the web where people would be > > interested in chicken-love, though. Good cluck! > > There was a pretty funny South Park episode about a sexual predator who > only attacked chickens. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com > From jamesd@xcelco.on.ca Thu Apr 22 16:30:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "David James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Carrier Plans Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:52:53 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7flhdn$hmi$1@east44.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.167.188.250 X-Trace: 924731639 0YD664MXXBCFAD1A7C east44.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16678 Does anyone know where I can get a set of plans to make my a 2 man hive carrier. From jamesd@xcelco.on.ca Thu Apr 22 16:30:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "David James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Vacuum Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:55:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7flhcr$g41$1@east43.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.167.188.250 X-Trace: 924731611 0YD664MXXBCFAD1A7C east43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16679 Does anyone know where I can find plans for a bee vacuum. From barry@birkey.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.111.230.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vacuum Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:27:52 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7flji5$t8i$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7flhcr$g41$1@east43.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.173.158 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16680 In article <7flhcr$g41$1@east43.supernews.com> , "David James" wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find plans for a bee vacuum. > > Check in a few weeks and I should have plans available for a BeeVac that I'm currently working on. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's the deal with Brushy Mountain? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 1999 00:16:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <371E5930.2740C26A@T.NoW> Message-ID: <19990421201642.02906.00000199@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16681 >So I finally gave up and sent them another e-mail to cancel my order. > >Has anyone else experienced similar problems? > I have never had any success reaching them via any method other than phone. They have stopped using COD due to UPS problems and also have stopped most if not all non cash accounts ( sending a bill with order ) So it looks like you'll have to either have a credit card or send em a check >from now on. This is my experiance I am not speaking for Brushy Mtn. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From tomasmozer@juno.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CANCROSIS EN CITRICOS Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:51:59 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 54 Message-ID: <371DE60F.47F1@juno.com> References: <7fi7oq$dsj$1@vnews.prima.com.ar> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.253 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 924741159 OCZ7E7JIA4FFDCDD8C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: GRASTICINI CECILIA Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16682 visit florida dept. of agriculture/div. of plant industry webpage: http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/cank377.html ________________________________________________________________________________________ 1911 SW 34th St. Gainsville, FL 32608-1268 (352) 372 - 3505 Biological Administrator III: Dr. T. S. Schubert schubet@doacs.state.fl.us Bacterial Citrus Canker1 T. S. Schubert2 and J. W. Miller3 Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Division of Plant Industry INTRODUCTION Citrus canker, caused by the bacterial pathogen Xanthomonas axonopodis Starr & Garces emend. Vauterin, et al. pv. citri (Hasse) Dye (Xac) [syn. Xanthomonas campestris pv. citri (Hasse) Dye], is a serious disease of most commercial citrus varieties and some citrus relatives. The pathogen causes necrotic lesions on leaves, stems, and fruit. Severe infections can cause defoliation, badly blemished fruit, premature fruit drop, twig dieback, and general tree decline. Considerable regulatory effort is directed at preventing the spread of citrus canker because it is not present in all citrus-growing regions of the world where the climate is conducive to citrus canker development. History Symptoms and Infection Process Host Range Control Survey and Detection Photographs Credits Literature Cited Return to FSCA To DOACS Canker pages To UF canker pages To USDA Canker pages ________________________________________________________________________________________ From Article: 16683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: SirLion <" EaTMe"@T.NoW> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What's the deal with Brushy Mountain? Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:03:13 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <371E5930.2740C26A@T.NoW> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.194.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 924735719 TEBWCEYUUC225D085C east42.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16683 I have been ordering supplies from Brushy Mountain for the last couple of years, with no problems. I faxed an order over a month ago, sent an e-mail after 2 weeks requesting confirmation, and left a phone message last week asking the same. I have not heard a thing. I don't have access to a phone during their normal hours so I can't talk to a 'real' person. So I finally gave up and sent them another e-mail to cancel my order. Has anyone else experienced similar problems? From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Thu Apr 22 16:30:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.aquaculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.culture,sci.culture.australian,sci.culture.australian.aborigine,soc.culture,soc.culture.afghanistan Subject: Re: New releases - Popular Books, Magazine and Software Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:58:46 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <7fc1lp$ha929@indo-news> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Johnwoo In-Reply-To: <7fc1lp$ha929@indo-news> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:33831 sci.agriculture.aquaculture:11 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16684 sci.agriculture.fruit:2688 sci.agriculture.poultry:9417 sci.agriculture.ratites:1482 sci.culture.australian.aborigine:18 soc.culture:4785 soc.culture.afghanistan:42754 On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, Johnwoo wrote: > Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:23:29 +0700 > From: Johnwoo > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture, sci.agriculture.aquaculture, > sci.agriculture.beekeeping, sci.agriculture.fruit, > sci.agriculture.poultry, sci.agriculture.ratites, sci.culture, > sci.culture.australian, sci.culture.australian.aborigine, soc.culture, > soc.culture.afghanistan > Subject: New releases - Popular Books, Magazine and Software > > barnesandnoble.com Affiliate Bookstore > > Visit barnesandnoble.com for millions of titles discounted up to 40-90% off. > Great low prices on your favorite books in Bargain Books > Browse barnesandnoble.com for the latest releases in Books in the News, > Books in Film, and books in the following areas: > > Shop for the latest software or for popular magazine titles. > Look at the Special Feature area for special holiday or otherwise timely book titles. > Find great gift ideas in the Gift Center. > > Best Regards > > Karaniya Bookstore > if barnes and noble can give such a great price on books online, how come they don't do that here on campus? seems like 'stead of dropping prices they're jacking it up. what gives? Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does pollen mean brood... Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:08:27 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990421174724.19597.00000118@ng-fc1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 22 Apr 1999 01:04:56 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Apr 21 18:05:13 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 23 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp188.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <371e748a.131250615@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16685 jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >IF the bees in a newly installed package are collecting pollen, THEN probably >there is brood and a queen? Even queenless colonies will collect pollen, so pollen collection is not a sure sign. Inspecting the brood nest to see young larva and/or eggs is your best way to find out whether a colony is queeen-right. This can be done without disturbing them too much, and the benefits outweigth the risk of not doing it. Remove an edge frame to give yourself room, then separate the frames where most of the bees are congregated. Lift a frame or two and check for larva. The only non-invasive queen check that I can think of is the roaring sound that a queenless colony makes when it is smoked, but that requires some experience to compare. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: If 10 frames were 9 Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Apr 1999 21:28:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990421134315.28102.00000021@ng-ch1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990421172859.19597.00000110@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16686 A longtime beekeeper told me today that he keeps 10 int he brood chamber, nine in the supers. The reason he gave is that with nine in the chamber, the bees construct a lot more burr comb, and burr comb is where one finds drone cells, which are loved by mites due to the drones longer time gestation time. From bill_daniels@bellsouth.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news1.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <371E79C3.351823C9@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's the deal with Brushy Mountain? References: <371E5930.2740C26A@T.NoW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:22:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.39 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:22:24 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16687 I had trouble with an order earlier this year. It was my first order and I was left a phone message saying that the credit card number in my order was missing a digit - MY FAULT. I sent in the corrected number and patiently waited for my order to arrive. I waited and waited. Finally, I called them and found that though they had processed my credit card the order was never released to shipping. They were quite apologetic and I did receive my order a week later. I will order from them again but not if I'm in a hurry. Your mileage may vary, Bill D. SirLion wrote: > I have been ordering supplies from Brushy Mountain for the last couple > of years, with no problems. I faxed an order over a month ago, sent an > e-mail after 2 weeks requesting confirmation, and left a phone message > last week asking the same. I have not heard a thing. I don't have > access to a phone during their normal hours so I can't talk to a 'real' > person. > > So I finally gave up and sent them another e-mail to cancel my order. > > Has anyone else experienced similar problems? From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Apr 22 16:30:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does pollen mean brood... Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 1999 01:33:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <371e748a.131250615@news.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990421213351.13259.00000250@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16688 Today I killed a drone layer- but plenty of pollen was coming in. Funny to see all drone brood in worker cells. All the queens from that batch were bad. Such is agriculture. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Apr 22 16:30:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's the deal with Brushy Mountain? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 1999 01:31:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <371E79C3.351823C9@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19990421213142.13259.00000248@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16689 Steve don't answer his E-Mail But if you order over the phone the stuff arrives. Past month is probably the "frantic" season in the Carolinas. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From lithar@midwest.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.32.206.55!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vacuum Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:01:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <371E82F2.777F@midwest.net> References: <7flhcr$g41$1@east43.supernews.com> <7flji5$t8i$1@eve.enteract.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.57 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 02:07:45 GMT X-Trace: 924746865.119.19 JF3D7GB4M1C39D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16690 Barry Birkey wrote: > > In article <7flhcr$g41$1@east43.supernews.com> , "David James" > wrote: > > > Does anyone know where I can find plans for a bee vacuum. > > > > > > Check in a few weeks and I should have plans available for a BeeVac that I'm > currently working on. > C'mon Barry, swarming season is upon us:) AL From barry@birkey.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vacuum Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:33:52 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7fm5ft$e28$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7flhcr$g41$1@east43.supernews.com> <7flji5$t8i$1@eve.enteract.com> <371E82F2.777F@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.74 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16691 In article <371E82F2.777F@midwest.net> , AL wrote: > Barry Birkey wrote: >> >> In article <7flhcr$g41$1@east43.supernews.com> , "David James" >> wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know where I can find plans for a bee vacuum. >> > >> > >> >> Check in a few weeks and I should have plans available for a BeeVac that I'm >> currently working on. >> > > > > C'mon Barry, swarming season is upon us:) > > AL Yikes, now I really feel the pressure! You'll just have to settle for a Big Johnson in the meantime ;>) -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com From pascal66@globetrotter.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.quebectel.com!news.quebectel.com!not-for-mail From: pascal fournier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: If 10 frames were 9 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:30:47 -0400 Organization: GlobeTrotter Lines: 33 Message-ID: <371DEF26.451B6081@globetrotter.net> References: <19990419221309.22407.00003147@ng21.aol.com> <924579130.023.77@news.remarQ.com> <924706127.151.57@news.remarQ.com> <7fkrhi$6vt$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-32.f3217.quebectel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9E71EA2DE3A0120152873A40" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16692 --------------9E71EA2DE3A0120152873A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > about 10 frame in the broodbox, I think it' s more easy to get convenient space beetween frames. also, on my opinion, there's less work to scrap undesired cells and wax balls as bees as less place to build them. 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                                                                            PF --------------9E71EA2DE3A0120152873A40-- From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:30:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!nntp.abs.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed2.news.digex.net!digex!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shim between supers Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:31:42 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 100 Message-ID: <7fla2b$eke$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990419224022.11187.00002845@ng156.aol.com> <19990420180905.24777.00003931@ng-fv1.aol.com> <7fk8r8$mpu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16693 Allen Dick wrote: >> George Imrie uses them and he knows his stuff. I just cut a v shaped notch in >> the super as it is one less piece of equipment to worry about. >> Suppoisedly it keeps many bees from trucking on through the brood nest and >> causing congestion. >This one of many techniques for ensuring the entrance is where you want it, >and there is no doubt George knows hs stuff. >There are many reasons for having an entrance elsewhere than at the hive >bottom. The bottom location has the one big advantage that it allows gravity >to assist in removing debris, and also allows the heat to rise and stay at the >top of a small hive. Other than that, there are arguements to be made for >other locations. >Apparently, in nature, bees will select smaller entrances than people usually >make in standard hives. I am not sure whether there is a proven preference in >nature for bees to select a top or bottom entrance, but I have seen plenty of >successful hives in walls where the entrance is above the brood. >Perhaps some of the swarm chasers on the group could testify to the normal >size and location of hives they have found. Perhaps it varies with locality. >Anyhow, back to the shim. We used them 25 years ago and went away from them >due to the ladder comb problem. (At that time we used to scrape all the hives >whenever there was any brace or burr comb. As we got smarter, we learned to >quit fighting our bees and let them build as they please). >Another thing we tried was two wedge-shaped shims 1/4" at one end, tapering to >nothing at the other. These shims went between two boxes on each side of a >hive, slightly tilting the stack of top boxes back, and creating a 1/4" slit >across the front at the desired point. They worked well for two-queening. We >preferred this method to the shim, but we never use either any more, since we > now use a 1" (1" = 2.5cm) auger hole about 3-1/2" up from the bottom of each >brood chamber box. This gives three entrances in a double hive. We've >lately found it unneccessary to remove the entrance reducer using this >configuration. >The auger holes are a standard size and can be taped or plugged with the >cheap little plastic plugs of the type that are used to keep the insides of >new pipe clean -- or corks, or chunks of dowel, or wax scrapings, or a >Kleenex, etc. etc. >Another method to get an upper entrance , if you use excluders, is that you >can merely pull the excluder back 1" or so to create a crack and adjust it >with tape, if required. FWIW, we never put metal rim excluders on straight, >since, if they overhang 1/4" at the right front side edge, they are much >easier to grab and peel off without a tool. >At one time, we pulled a super on each hive back an inch to provide an >entrance above the brood, but decide that this could be too cold in a cool >summer. Bees don't like to store honey in any place they have to abandon >often due to cold. For best honey storage in supers, it is desirable that the >bees are able occupy them continuously during the flow season, so although it >is desirable to have lots of super room, it is also desirable to reduce cool >draughts. The dynamics are probably different where the nightime temps are >around 80 degrees F all summer. Around here, they can get pretty close to >freezing sometimes. >After a lot of playing around, we decided that having holes in the *supers* >(not brood boxes) discouraged honey production in cool summers (we're at 55 >degrees N latitude) and quit the practice. We still swear by the auger holes >for cutting down drastically on drifting and ensuring direct access by the >bees. >These holes also are very handy in newly made splits. >-- >Allen Dick >http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own I like the 1" holes too. Here in Southern Maryland (39 degrees latitude) I put then in the supers as well. If the bees don't want them they seal them up. A couple of pieces of 1/4" diameter sticks between supers will do the same as the shim. The older hives have lots of extra places for the bees to come and go. And I love to watch the bees hit that 1" hole with such accuracy without lazer guidence! I know George and he likes his gadgets. Don't believe everything he says, after all, he's a Master Beekeeper not a Commercial Beekeeper. There is a difference. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From predator@innercite.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Craig McKibbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:29:05 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <371EB3A0.817F678@innercite.com> References: <19990419141542.18899.00002133@ng134.aol.com> <19990419210607.25712.00002738@ng30.aol.com> Reply-To: predator@innercite.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.222.32.224 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:27:58 GMT X-Trace: 924758878.648.15 SBABOZDNI20E09EDEC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16694 Now I know why I keep getting told I should consider starting with two hives. This makes more sense then most of the answers I've gotten for two verses one. Craig (Newbie) From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!nntp.abs.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vacuum Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 1999 11:10:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7fm5ft$e28$1@eve.enteract.com> Message-ID: <19990422071041.19787.00000006@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16695 >Yikes, now I really feel the pressure! You'll just have to settle for a Big >Johnson in the meantime ;>) > >-- > Settle... awe come on, 85 bucks aint much and if you guys buy em all then he might order some more...baby needs a new pair a shoes 1-800-beeswax..Big Johnsons Bee Vac Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Apr 22 16:31:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: If 10 frames were 9 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 1999 11:13:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <371DEF26.451B6081@globetrotter.net> Message-ID: <19990422071314.11215.00000011@ng121.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16696 >bout 10 frame in the broodbox, I think it' s more easy to get convenient >space >beetween frames. >also, on my opinion, there's less work to scrap undesired cells and wax >balls >as bees as less place >to build them. Bees are a bit slower to draw the outside frames and with nine frames of drawn comb pushed to the center of the brood box you squash less queens and pry apart less weak frames. All a matter of personal preferance and sure confusing to the beginner. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From pomponio1313@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 22 16:31:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!korova.insync.net!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: pomponio1313@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: Re: marriage wanted3 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:22:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7fnbar$g3l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7fcj1l$ld4@netnews.hinet.net> <7fhp8t$usd$1@camel21.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.202.30 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 22 14:22:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x8.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.163.202.30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:33844 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16697 sci.agriculture.fruit:2689 sci.agriculture.poultry:9421 In some states (I won't mention them), it (sheep molestation) is legal, provided that a) the sheep is an adult and 2) the sheep is not a blood kin to the molester. There are, of course, exemptions (ex legis molestus sheepus) that can be claimed for #2 for isolated mountain communities or certain religious groups. Also IRS regulation A343966-34-43434 specifies you can claim the sheep as a dependent up to adulthood if a) the sheep is attending school in an accredited college or b) it is a disabled dependent on SSI (thats another set of regulations). The IRS lets you fill out form 49659-4545545-2423 (at thirty pages long, it is one of their most concise) to achieve all this. Thought you all would like to know. In article <7fhp8t$usd$1@camel21.mindspring.com>, "Bob & Darlene Taylor" wrote: > Hello All, > > It looks as though somebody is confused......very confused. The idea of > wanting to marry a chicken is weird, and illegal in most states (You > actually get a tax break for it here in Tennessee). Don't get me wrong, we > love our chickens, but not that much. Besides, you could never kiss a > chicken, as they don't have lips. Also, thanks to Cartherine for her > insights into polygamy. She is exactly right! It is never forbidden in the > bible, but was another "tradition of man" that was added in (like > Sunday-sabbaths, Easter, Xmas, etc.). Oh, well, don't mean to start a > religious discussion. So, to sum up, I do love my chickens, but am already > married. There are probably many sights on the web where people would be > interested in chicken-love, though. Good cluck! > > -Bob > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From lfarrell@mail.tds.net Thu Apr 22 16:31:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "Larry J. Farrell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: Re: Animal Stories was marriage wanted3 Date: 22 Apr 1999 16:08:16 GMT Organization: stroter Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01be8cd1$a70f3dc0$98dfa5d0@mypc.tdsnet.com> References: <7fcj1l$ld4@netnews.hinet.net> <7fhp8t$usd$1@camel21.mindspring.com> <7fnbar$g3l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mowiusr0-a24.utelco.tds.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:33845 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16698 sci.agriculture.fruit:2690 sci.agriculture.poultry:9422 My all-time favorite was way back when Old Uncle Lar Lujacka nd little snot-nosed Tommy had an Animal stories update on a previous nights news story. Seems a guy in a suit and tie was caught in the Farm in Lincoln Park Zoo taking indecent liberties with a heifer. He at least had the decency to put his brief-case down.... or the guy who was caught doing the same thing to one of the elk in Elk Grove....... Ah, memories! From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Thu Apr 22 16:31:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!korova.insync.net!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New interesting web page about beekeeping Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:02:39 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7fndma$ifr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7fmvp4$5hc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 22 15:02:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16699 In article <7fmvp4$5hc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, nadir5745@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Hi! I invite you to visit my page. I'll be glad to get your opinion about it. > I'll be gratefull to you if you could spread the information about myself or > refer to my page > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > And what would I use for a URL? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Thu Apr 22 16:31:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's the deal with Brushy Mountain? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:07:19 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7fndv2$ime$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <371E5930.2740C26A@T.NoW> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 22 15:07:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16700 In article <371E5930.2740C26A@T.NoW>, SirLion <" EaTMe"@T.NoW> wrote: > I have been ordering supplies from Brushy Mountain for the last couple > of years, with no problems. I faxed an order over a month ago, sent an > e-mail after 2 weeks requesting confirmation, and left a phone message > last week asking the same. I have not heard a thing. I don't have > access to a phone during their normal hours so I can't talk to a 'real' > person. > > So I finally gave up and sent them another e-mail to cancel my order. > > Has anyone else experienced similar problems? > > I got my order recently with a note apologizing for the delay in delivery. The note claimed that business was too good and they were working 12 hour days. I think I got my order in 1 1/2 weeks (placed via the internet and was my first order with them, if that matters). -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From seasholtzm@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:31:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's the deal with Brushy Mountain? Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 1999 17:08:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7fndv2$ime$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990422130824.24550.00000144@ng153.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16701 >Subject: Re: What's the deal with Brushy Mountain? >From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com >Date: 4/22/99 11:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <7fndv2$ime$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> > >In article <371E5930.2740C26A@T.NoW>, > SirLion <" EaTMe"@T.NoW> wrote: >> I have been ordering supplies from Brushy Mountain for the last couple >> of years, with no problems. I faxed an order over a month ago, sent an >> e-mail after 2 weeks requesting confirmation, and left a phone message >> last week asking the same. I have not heard a thing. I don't have >> access to a phone during their normal hours so I can't talk to a 'real' >> person. >> >> So I finally gave up and sent them another e-mail to cancel my order. >> >> Has anyone else experienced similar problems? > I am very knew here and i felt compeled to respond about Brushy Mountain, these folks have been very good with me all around there business is good which is something we all hope for, i called an order today that i needed quikley and they are offering a rush order service for a very fair price so if you are in a hurry as i always am reach a little deeper and make the call to them, or plan further ahead like we all should and sometimes cant. New to the Bee World Garry From jdjones@alltel.net Thu Apr 22 16:31:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.central.agis.net!agis!news1.alltel.net!not-for-mail From: "Jerry D. Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do about ants by my hives Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:31:39 -0400 Organization: ALLTEL Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7fnma2$623$1@news1.alltel.net> References: <371b90b2.14363022@news.ntplx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: coga2pp30.alltel.net X-Trace: news1.alltel.net 924802178 6211 166.102.152.31 (22 Apr 1999 17:29:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@client.alltel.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Apr 1999 17:29:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16702 >I'm a new owner of two hives. I had them for about two weeks and >have recently noticed a good number of ants going after the sugar >water that I'm feeding my bees. > >I'm worried that they may eventually go and get the honey as well. > >What precautions can I do to rid the ants out of the area, without >risking danger with my bees? > >Thanks, > >Mark Hi, Mark, Hopefully, you'll get a lot of replies to this question. One simple method is to place the hives on short legs, such as concrete blocks or pieces of 4x4 treated lumber and place each leg in a suitable short bucket or pan filled with water. This will work well if you have a source of water handy because it will need to be replaced on a not-too-often basis. Jerry From amschelp@pe.net Thu Apr 22 16:31:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 20 Messages a Day! Message-ID: Organization: Various X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.4 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 924756363 216.100.28.4 (Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:46:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:46:03 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:49:43 -0700 Lines: 3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.clark.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16703 There have been over 20 messages a day here on sci.agriculture.beekeeping! It must be the HoNeyFlOw already here in the northern hemisphere. From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:31:07 EDT 1999 Article: 16704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shriveled Wings Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:32:01 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7ff1lf$h48$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <371ABD6F.74AD@pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16704 heavenly@pacbell.net wrote: >I have bees that are hatching from their cells with malformed, shriveled >wings. I cannot find a pattern, it seems intermittent. I will see one >with shriveled wings hatch right next to many with normal wings. The >shriveled winger will go right about his housekeeping duties. But, when >it comes time for them to become field bees the poor things fall to the >ground and scamper around until they die. >My hives are very stong. You would never think there was a problem until >you see these shriveled winged bees scurrying around on the ground in >front to the hives! >I am hoping someone can give me an explaination and remedy for this >problem. I've found nothing in any of my reading material. >Thank you, >Dave It is usually a sign of varroa mites. It could also be deformed wing virus. Check for the mites first. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 22 16:31:07 EDT 1999 Article: 16705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shriveled Wings Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Apr 1999 12:12:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <371ABD6F.74AD@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <19990419081235.08305.00002200@ng120.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16705 From: heavenly@pacbell.net >I have bees that are hatching from their cells with malformed, shriveled >wings. I cannot find a pattern, it seems intermittent. I will see one >with shriveled wings hatch right next to many with normal wings. Look closer. By the time you see bees with deformed wings, you can probably spot varroa mites on the adults, maybe even see mites running around on the comb. Pull out some drone brood and look at it to see if there are mites on it. When mites suck the body fluids from the baby bees, their wings don't develop properly. They also will have tiny abdomens. Sometimes their legs are also undeveloped, or paralyzed. Generally they die as they are emerging, or soon after. You are almost beyond hope by the time you see this kind of damage. Treat them (quickly!) for varroa mites, and give them a frame of healthy sealed brood. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From paulp@ims.com Thu Apr 22 16:31:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen in feeder? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:54:58 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <371F5461.2B3BB83C@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16706 A week ago I installed a package colony in a box with two frame feeders. When I checked on them yesterday, all looked well (saw larvae), except they had drained both feeders and built a few small combs in one. I quickly checked the four frames the bees were covering. While not specifically looking for the queen, I thought I’d probably see here in such a small colony. When I didn’t, I worried she might be in the feeder laying eggs. I didn’t want to disturb the frames again as it was cool and about to start raining. I removed the feeder and shook the bees out on top of the other frames. I didn’t see the queen, but it was hard to tell. There were still a lot of bees clinging to the comb in the feeder, so I thought there might be brood in there. What I did was put a frame of foundation in to replace the feeder (filled the other feeder) and put a piece of plywood with an auger hole on top of the hive, in place of the lid. I then put on an empty box on top of the plywood and put the frame feeder in the box upside down, and covered that with the hive lid. My hope was if the queen was in there she wouldn’t lay in the inverted comb and hopefully she’ll find her way through the auger hole back to the hive. In a couple of days when it warms up I’ll go back and look for the queen. In the meanwhile, I was wondering if there are other ways some of you might have handled this. Thanks, Paul From mister-t@zzclinic.net Thu Apr 22 16:31:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <371F7D48.D7518F98@zzclinic.net> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:49:28 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: "Jerry D. Jones" Subject: Re: Vetch References: <371b90b2.14363022@news.ntplx.net> <7fnbbn$pls$1@news1.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p1-34.clinic.net X-Trace: 22 Apr 1999 15:50:45 -0500, d-p1-34.clinic.net Lines: 25 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.156.97.247!news.destek.net!d-p1-34.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16707 We have it wild and it is excelent bee forage. Mostly under our apple trees which also makes for a good ground cover. Bill T Bath, ME "Jerry D. Jones" wrote: > > Anyone have any experience with a specific species of vetch? From everything > I've read and seen it's a good-to-excellent bee forage plant. However, there > are mixed messages that I suspect are the result of different varieties. The > two most easily grown in my area, NE Georgia, are common and hairy. There > are a few others that I can't readily identify that grow wild here - > probably escaped from previous plantings years ago or came in with other > seed. > > I have a large steeply sloping area that is impossible to use for much and > would like to use the vetch as a groundcover. > > Thanks, > > Jerry Jones > email: jdjones@alltel.net -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From honeybs@radix.net Thu Apr 22 16:31:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen in feeder? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:29:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7fnua6$1el$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <371F5461.2B3BB83C@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16708 Paul Petty wrote: >A week ago I installed a package colony in a box with two frame >feeders. When I checked on them yesterday, all looked well (saw >larvae), except they had drained both feeders and built a few small >combs in one. I quickly checked the four frames the bees were >covering. While not specifically looking for the queen, I thought I’d >probably see here in such a small colony. When I didn’t, I worried she >might be in the feeder laying eggs. I didn’t want to disturb the frames >again as it was cool and about to start raining. I removed the feeder >and shook the bees out on top of the other frames. I didn’t see the >queen, but it was hard to tell. There were still a lot of bees clinging >to the comb in the feeder, so I thought there might be brood in there. >What I did was put a frame of foundation in to replace the feeder >(filled the other feeder) and put a piece of plywood with an auger hole >on top of the hive, in place of the lid. I then put on an empty box on >top of the plywood and put the frame feeder in the box upside down, and >covered that with the hive lid. My hope was if the queen was in there >she wouldn’t lay in the inverted comb and hopefully she’ll find her way >through the auger hole back to the hive. >In a couple of days when it warms up I’ll go back and look for the >queen. In the meanwhile, I was wondering if there are other ways some >of you might have handled this. >Thanks, >Paul It is very unlikly that the queen went into the feeder. They don't like small isolated spaces like that. But they are bees and you can never out guess them! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From barry@birkey.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: purple martins, mistake? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:47:54 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7fnr1n$pp6$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <7fnhgg$t7f$1@antiochus.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.65 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16709 In article <7fnhgg$t7f$1@antiochus.ultra.net> , "Marc Andelman" wrote: > Hi Folks. I put up a house for purple martins, and now have lots of these > cute little purple birds. > > However, I wonder if these will decimate my bee colony? > > Regards, > Marc Andelman They may not wipe you out but will most likely make a lunch of any queen that goes on a mating flight. A local commercial beekeeper told me he lost many queens this way as a neighboring building had martins and he would watch them pick the queens out of flight. -Barry -- Barry Birkey http://www.birkey.com From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives on a bear platform Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Apr 1999 20:54:31 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <19990422165431.00941.00000210@ng143.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16710 I want to have my hives on a platform with metal posts to protect them from a foraging bear. Could anybody who has done this comment on it since information about this is scarce in books Jajwuth From joii4ozr@my-dejanews.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen in feeder? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:53:56 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7fnuoh$2vj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <371F5461.2B3BB83C@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 22 19:53:56 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x8.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16711 In article <371F5461.2B3BB83C@ims.com>, Paul Petty wrote: > In a couple of days when it warms up I’ll go back and look for the > queen. In the meanwhile, I was wondering if there are other ways some > of you might have handled this. Easy. Don't let 'em build in the feeder. Keep it full or pull it out. As far as what to do IF the situation you describe occurred, I'd probably have removed whatever comb was in the feeder, and brushed the bees off. Even if there was some brood, there'd be no sense wasting colony resources on it. HTH. > -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan (current editor of MS magazine) http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From honeybs@radix.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:24:01 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7fo8hh$i5s$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16712 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Can anyone tell me what the 'sci' stands for in this newsgroup's name? Science? Us dumb old back woods americans just didn't spell it too well. >I have been following this newsgroup now for about four months and it seems >to me that there is very little 'sci' in the postings. >Many people - often, I have to say, from the USA - ask for incredibly basic >information which is widely available in excellent range of beekeeping >magazines that are available e.g. That's great but we can't read over here in the USA. We have voice translators built into our computers! >or from the vast array of beekeeping books available which are far too >numerous to list here. Maybe the brits should put the books on video tapes so us couch potato americans can learn beekeeping. >Surely this newsgroup should supplement and add to the vast amount of >information already available, using the power of instant communication to >update members on the latest developments worldwide, rather than simply >providing basic information for those too idle to look it up for themselves. >The use of spellcheckers as a standard option might also be a good idea for >many members! Spellchecker? Naw, we don't need it anymore than you guys need to learn english. The truth is the web has become the major sorce for first information. Libraries are becoming a thing of the past. It's sad but what can you do. It shouldn't be too many more years before most any book can be looked at on the web. On the other hand most of us don't agree on how to do a lot of the simple things asked. That breeds open discussions that all of us can learn from. You can learn more by teaching than by studying. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Getting Started! Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:53:25 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb104-31.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 924796474 2683093 209.156.120.123 (22 Apr 1999 15:54:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Apr 1999 15:54:34 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16713 Greetings all, from a novice... Well, UPS delivered my Dadant starter set and an extra deep super yesterday. I got started immediately putting the kit together, and hope to finish it and get it painted today. Three pounds of Italian (EYE-talian, as my dad used to say) bees scheduled to arrive 4/29... We got snow today. Hopefully the last of the season. We're safe from hard-freezes after 5/15. Just sharing... I'm pretty psyched! We're in Colorado Springs. Pray for the people of Littleton, just an hour up the road. :( -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Bee Suit (OH! Joy !!) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 01:14:13 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 49 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.123 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:15:26 GMT X-Trace: 924833726.884.103 KRFRRPH9I987BCE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16714 Hi, STEP 1 Mix pollen substitute strictly according to lack of usable instructions . STEP 2 Scrounge everywhere for hat . STEP 3 Put on new bee suit (Oh Joy !) STEP 4 Take pollen substitute out to bees, and carpenter ants . STEP 5 Remove hive cover, find foundation gone in super . STEP 6 remove super, find colony population in better shape than expected . STEP 7 Pull up comb, not more than half drawn, nothing in it . Pull another, same shape . Pull a central comb, bees get excited . STEP 8 Bound for tall timber . STEP 9 Zip up new bee suit (Oh Joy.). STEP 10 Re-assemble hive, wondering why no more progress than half finished comb ? STEP 11 Post question to newsgroup, howcome the bees aren't doing better, when they seem to be coming, and going like crazy, on our better days ? Ken . From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 1999 02:39:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990422110506.15863.00000096@ng38.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990422223913.27344.00000203@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16715 I'm the rookie Massachusetts beekeeper who had to quick-release his queens because there were no candy plugs in the queen cages. I just went back into the hives today (week and a half after installation) and found both my marked and clipped queens alive, and visually confirmed eggs in the comb of one of the hives. I suspect I could not see eggs in the other one because the bees were clustered so thickly over the comb they were working. I called the bee supply company to discover why they had sent the queen cages without candy plugs. They reminded me that they warn package buyers in the instructions they send with the confirmation to bring their own substance to block up the queens' escape holes. I have a problem with this system. The confirmation (along with instructions) was sent out several months ago, shortly after I ordered the bees. I think the fact that the queen cage is not ready "as is" for installation should be prominently announced on the package itself, or at least highlighted on the instruction sheet. Since I received those instructions, I have been training and building up expections for my first-time installation from many wonderful beginner beekeeping books (Morse, Bonney, Hubbell and Dadant), along with all the old-timers I have talked to. The instructions were not the last thing I referred to before heading out to the apiary, it was the books and the helpful veterans. Being a rookie, I spent my free time in the weeks previous to the installation brewing fumidill-laced sugar syrup, mixing terramycin sugar dust, preparing the site, and purchasing, painting, and readying equipment. With all that new stuff to coordinate and with colonies of bees in boxes, bringing a small amount of gooey substance to block the queens' exit just in case there isn't any candy plug the way all the books said there would be is a bit much. I just want a loud warning if the supplier is deviating in his practices from what the rest of the beekeeping world is teaching and training for. One little unanticipated diversion from standard operating procedure threatens a whole first-year effort. I should add though that now that I am aware this is how my bee supply company does it, I think its fine. I really don't think its much of a hassle to bring my own candy, and the bees they sent were in such good condition (less than 15 dead bees per 3-lb. package), the company will have my business again next year when I order more packages. But I would probably feel a lot different if my queens were dead. From thbowes@home.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.mi.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Thomas Bowes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Catching Varroa in Drone Comb Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:31:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.2.214.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.mi.home.com 924834716 24.2.214.176 (Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:31:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:31:56 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16716 I ran across an article on the Web at www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html that describes a method of varroa mite control by means of doing splits and utilizing drone brood as a trap for the mites. As a hobby beekeeper this method would probably be of more benefit to me than it would to the commercial guys, given the amount of extra work involved when compared to Apistan. Its primary appeal to me being the lure of a chemical free hive (mostly), and not having my bees become Apistan resistant. My questions are as follows: 1. Does anybody have any experience with this method, or thoughts on how effective it is likely to be? 2. Where can one find "drone foundation" to use for this? -- "Tom" Tom Bowes/KK8M 5529 25 Mile Road Shelby Twp. MI 48316 From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 02:04:49 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3702CF13.AAEDCFE2@valley.net> <19990403005212.07584.00001595@ng155.aol.com> <3706BBA2.51AD@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.90 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:06:01 GMT X-Trace: 924836761.800.12 KRFRRPH9I985ACE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16717 Hi, I don't know about gamma rays, but I had a Gamma Conley, and she had no use at all for parasites . Unfortunately, just when I need help with the bees, she's long passed-away . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/3/99 5:08PM, in message <3706BBA2.51AD@earthlink.net>, workerbee wrote: Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >As I understand things Gamma rays as us > > I bleve i caught me one a them gamma rays down at the coast one time whilest > fishin fer the lustrous king mackeral. Dang thang put up a heck ofa fight.. yep > i's bet they'd whip a verro mite hands down > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC I still like to use a BB gun but it is really hard to knock the little suckers off without hittins and rearranging the molocules in Miss Workerbee which killes her immediately. Got swarms Don From nephron@my-dejanews.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: nephron@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:50:49 GMT Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose. Message-ID: <372317bf.1058752@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-4.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 23 Apr 1999 09:08:22 +0100, ppp47-4.dial.nildram.co.uk Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-4.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16718 Please place replies beneath the quoted text, and trim, where possible. -- nephron@my-dejanews.com From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives on a bear platform Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 08:04:59 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <19990422165431.00941.00000210@ng143.aol.com> <371FECE8.9F78C77F@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.134 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:06:10 GMT X-Trace: 924858370.986.62 KRFRRPH9I9886CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16719 Hi, Say-WHAT ? You putcher hives on a bear platform, an' them bears are going to have a field day th'minute you turn your back . Put the hives UNDER the bear platform, where the bears can't see them . Gee whiz . Even I know that . Why heck, such as me, I might give some thought to one O them air-can horns, rigged to a trip wire . Think about it awhile, y'might even come up with something that'd annoy skunks, and other bee pre-daters . Then again, your mite treatments would work just fine on them bears . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/22/99 7:48PM, in message <371FECE8.9F78C77F@sympatico.ca>, honey.road@sympatico.ca wrote: I know of a beekeeper in Michigan who tried this, and the bear made it up on the platform anyway. The only thing that seemed to have worked is a good electric fence Jajwuth wrote: > I want to have my hives on a platform with metal posts to protect them from > a foraging bear. > > Could anybody who has done this comment on it since information about this > is scarce in books > > Jajwuth From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wbc hives Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 1999 20:35:01 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16720 does anybody know where I can purchase a wbc hive thank you all From joii4ozr@my-dejanews.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Murdered! (queen introduction) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:20:27 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 76 Message-ID: <7fqo6n$kc2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fbgee$5kl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fbuc6$gek$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7fdlfu$rdc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 23 21:20:27 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 lpwa.com:8000 (Apache/1.3.1), 1.0 x17.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16721 In article <7fdlfu$rdc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article <7fbuc6$gek$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > PC Boy wrote: > > In article <7fbgee$5kl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > > griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > In article <7far5h$kgf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > > > PC Boy wrote: > > > > Or, How Not to Introduce a Queen... > > > > > > > IF you are CERTAIN you have actually destroyed the gyne (virgin, q-cell, > > > queen) and given them a spell to figure that out (a few hours to up to 24 > > > > Yep. There's where I messed up. Shoulda waited about a day AFTER destroying > > the Q-cells. Guess I was thinking their communication system was a little > > more efficient. > > Queen substance (pheremone) has about a half hour half-life in a colony as I > understand things. So they sense a reduction fairly quickly but that doesn't > seem to mean they are ready to accept a queen that is not in "same state of > lay" just then and a mailed queen ain't gonna be in "same state of lay" - my > guess though from their continued reaction which I did not observe but based > upon your description of same is that they STILL have a gyne or at least still > did when you popped 'em open to check on the caged queen - why? - because they > should by that time have been receptive to a queen if indeed they had no gyne > themselves. Nah. I think it was because they became alarmed when I picked up the queen cage. > > So what have you done with them since then? Still have the dead queen and the Introduced a Carniolan queen (original queen was dark too) on 4/20, leaving her in the corked cage for 1 day before replacing the cork with candy. Probably didn't need to be that cautious, since there was no attack on the queen or attendants this time, but I wasn't taking any chances. Things could not have gone more smoothly; I've just finished verifying that she was accepted. There she was, on the face of a brood comb, surrounded by her girls, as popular as Hillary Clinton at a NOW rally. A beautiful sight. > cage? Why not test and see if they bite the cage now? PLUS put a frame with > some eggs and some very young larvae in and see if they draw cells or not. I > kinda wonder if perhaps you have a virgin running around in there already. If > you do and IF she either has gotten mated or does get mated then she oughta be > laying inside of two weeks from the time you pulled the queen cage - see they > may have been in the act of supersedure when you made the split and you just > did NOT know it. > > Do you see eggs in there NOW?? (sometimes they will draw cells when they just > have a virgin running loose) The only odd thing is that en route to finding the queen (I had not yet spotted her, at the time), I did notice what looked very much like two capped queen cells, side by side, on the face of one comb. But there aren't any eggs in there yet, and I didn't destroy them, since at the time I wasn't sure I'd been successful in introducing the new queen. I'd have to look at them again to be sure they're actually queen cells though -- if they are, then how come they accepted my new queen so easily? They shouldn't have, according to everything I thought I knew about them. Then again, it may turn out they aren't capped cells, but only empty cups, of which I spotted a number on previous inspections. I certainly would be surprised to have missed any actual live Q-cells, since I checked carefully a couple of times, but I suppose it's possible. -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan (current editor of MS magazine) http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:08:24 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <37210B78.5B0FB35F@valley.net> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <924884035.854.60@news.remarQ.com> <3720AB6A.740@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-107.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16722 AL wrote: > Dave Marple wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me what the 'peter' in this man's name name stands for? > > > > Peter Edwards wrote in message <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... > > >Can anyone tell me what the 'sci' stands for in this newsgroup's name? > > > > > Anyone who can't use a thesaurus ought not be allowed to post to this > group!!! > > :) > AL come on, al. you know that them thesaurus went extinct millions of years ago along with the brontosaurus and the bedosaurus. how we gonna use 'em today, when they's all dead? bill [thesaurically challenged] -- ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Bee Suit (OH! Joy !!) Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Apr 1999 04:02:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <8B533DFCC83DA037.0DE56CF387D4F26A.B8E77B672679D01D@library-proxy.airnews.net> Message-ID: <19990424000203.19399.00000893@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16723 >feed HEAVILY. > >Please define above? 1 gallon, 2 gallon, one quart??? > >a gallon every day? when a hive is in trouble as in your previous post the best bet is to feed very much very fast as with a 1 gal pickle jar with holes in the lid, turned upside down on the inner cover. Feed at least 3 gal, they'll stop taking it when they've had enough. Mix a 5 lb bag of sugar with enough scalding hot water to finish filling the jar. a very large colony will empty the jar in around 15 hours Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beeman@kingston.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The queen got loose...help Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:14:33 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <371BC6E9.7E40@kingston.net> References: <924538840.440.6@news.remarQ.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.84 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:16:09 GMT X-Trace: 924556569.158.70 QANSHOMNI3454CDD2C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16724 Dave Marple wrote: > > I have a beginner question...A few days ago I installed my first package bees into new hives. There was no candy in the hole, and the queen came out and flew behind my head. The way I see it is since the queen has been with the bees in the package then they should be familiar with her already. Close up the hive and leave it alone. She should return. But check in a couple of days, you should see some eggs or the queen. Hope all goes well! -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fermented sugar water Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Apr 1999 12:22:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990424082233.24955.00000564@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16725 >After about 1-2 weeks the sugar water in the feeding pails has a fermented >smell. Are the bees still drinking this? or should it be replaced? WOAH !! If they havent emptied it in 1-3 days( 1 gal feeder pail) then they don't need it, in other words there is something better that they are eating. fermented syrup causes problems ya don't want Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From cpullman@ckt.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3721BAF6.DA9E06E2@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fermented sugar water References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 07:37:10 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.253.50.14 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 924957314 206.253.50.14 (Sat, 24 Apr 1999 07:35:14 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 07:35:14 CDT Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16726 fcas wrote: > After about 1-2 weeks the sugar water in the feeding pails has a fermented > smell. Are the bees still drinking this? or should it be replaced? It should be replaced. If the bees are not consuming the sugar water within a few days you may be giving them to much or they don't need it. Is the hive well populated, maybe the lid is on to tight, an the sugar water is not draining right, is there drawn comb in the hive for them to store it. From bobpursley@aol.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 1999 23:18:34 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990423191834.00278.00000350@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16727 Well, perhaps on retrospection, this group should have been formed under rec or alt, not sci. But it is what it is, and probably serves a good purpose. What I have noted in the six months I have subscribed is a more than ordinary number of personal attacks on those with whom you disagree. These have ranged over spelling, grammar, swarming prevention, who your ISPmaybe, and spam. Frankly, I have never before been around beekeepers who did that. Several responses so far to this thread have been personal, and I regret that. Geez. I l enjoy beekeeping, and in fact, beekeepers. But I am not proud of some of the personal attacks that I read here. Thanks Bob From mister-t@zzclinic.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37221984.73DCFA13@zzclinic.net> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:20:36 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's the deal with Brushy Mountain? References: <19990424122454.15741.00000988@ng-ft1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p4-19.clinic.net X-Trace: 24 Apr 1999 15:22:09 -0500, d-p4-19.clinic.net Lines: 29 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.destek.net!d-p4-19.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16728 Add Kelleys to the list of good ones. I buy most of my equipment >from them and a local seller. Bill T Bath, ME BeeCrofter wrote: > > OK folks I have been to Brushy Mountain to see their operation and it was > professional and well run. > I think you are seeing the results of growing pains and the busy season. > While they are not my primary supplier mostly due to distance they get orders > from me a few times a year and no big problems other than if you are gonna go > online you ought to answer your E-mail. > Companies I have dealt with and like. > Betterbee > Mann Lake > Brushy Mtn. > Rossman. > > I am a prick when it comes to poor service- but bear in mind if you only order > during swarm season and don't plan ahead you better expect a litttle > disappointment. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.rr.com!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr2.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <372226B7.8075162C@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Conglomo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fermented sugar water References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:17:10 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr2.twcny.rr.com 924984144 24.92.236.85 (Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:02:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:02:24 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16729 fcas wrote: > After about 1-2 weeks the sugar water in the feeding pails has a fermented > smell. Are the bees still drinking this? or should it be replaced? Bees are often reluctant to take down fermented syrup. What you can do is dump it into a big pot and heat it to a low simmer until the volatiles evaporate off. It can take over a half hour of steady simmering -- maintain a temperature at which you can see steam coming off the surface. Stir it every so often. Eventually the fermented smell will become much less noticeable, and you can taste the syup to make sure it's good and sweet again. If not, keep simmering. Once the vinegar smell is pretty much gone, remove the syrup from the heat. You can add a bit more sugar to it while it's hot, to increase the sweetness, & if there's any junk floating in the syrup, you can strain or skim it at this point, too. Meanwhile, give the feeders a good washing, to remove the interior coating of slime and mildew. (Otherwise the syrup might rapidly begin spoiling again.) Once it's mostly cooled off, return the syrup to the bees. They should immediately start taking it down -- in earnest compared to before. It's one way to "recycle" fermented syrup, if you care to. Saves on the sugar, but you do have to heat it up. From pyramid@epix.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!news1.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal jelly source Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:57:14 -0700 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3722686A.2A10@epix.net> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd-242ppp229.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16730 I am looking for a source for US (or Canadian) royal jelly. All advertisers that I contacted had Asian royal jelly only. Thank you for any help. Burns From barry@birkey.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeVac plans Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:27:57 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7ftk6r$4ae$1@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.149.249 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16731 Anyone who was wanting the construction drawings for the BeeVac and couldn't wait for my final drawings to be posted to my site can email me and I'll give you the URL to the "pre-final" info. This BeeVac is one that Matthew Westall built and designed and did a nice job if you ask me. Regards -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com From npatt@snet.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead drones at opening? Date: 24 Apr 1999 23:35:59 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7ftkgv$don@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh3-port15.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16732 I've been noticing dead drones at the opening of my hive. Does this mean anything? I live in CT Norm npatt@snet.net From not@fur.ur.use Sun Apr 25 21:38:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.good.net!news.cyberport.com!news.chatlink.com!news.presys.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.32.206.55!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: not@fur.ur.use Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to make Candy for Queen Cages. Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:30:18 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 2 Message-ID: <371b3d8f.249378@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.176.148.76 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:31:36 GMT X-Trace: 924532296.855.34 GLT.2CM.I944CC7B0C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16733 Can anyone tell me the recipe for the Candy to put in Queen release cages? thanks. From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead drones at opening? Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:54:24 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 34 Message-ID: <372275D0.B6A1F653@valley.net> References: <7ftkgv$don@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-102.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16734 npatt@snet.net wrote: > I've been noticing dead drones at the opening of my hive. > > Does this mean anything? > > I live in CT > > Norm > npatt@snet.net are you sure they are just drones? all year long workers and drones will die inside the hive. the housecleaning bees will haul the bodies out, especially in the morning [sort of like the scene in monty python's 'holy grail': "Bring outcha dead!"] these bodies will get piled up in a bee-designated graveyard all spring/summer/fall. can become quite impressive by late summer. i've seen ants have a field day hauling dead bees from the graveyard, which helps reduce the growth of mold and is one of the reasons i prefer not to kill off ants around my hives, if possible. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From pcu@mail.matav.hu Sun Apr 25 21:38:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news0.de.colt.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!bignews.mediaways.net!jupiter.NIC.DTAG.DE!news.matav.net!newsfeed.matav.net!not-for-mail From: pcu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catching Varroa in Drone Comb Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:19:29 +0200 Organization: Phare DE PCU Message-ID: <3721FD21.F5D9382B@mail.matav.hu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line-211-94.dial.matav.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pollux.matav.net 924974397 23579 145.236.211.94 (24 Apr 1999 17:19:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@matav.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 1999 17:19:57 GMT To: Thomas Bowes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16735 Thomas Bowes wrote: > I ran across an article on the Web at www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html > that describes a method of varroa mite control by means of doing splits and > utilizing drone brood as a trap for the mites. As a hobby beekeeper this > method would probably be of more benefit to me than it would to the > commercial guys, given the amount of extra work involved when compared to > Apistan. Its primary appeal to me being the lure of a chemical free hive > (mostly), and not having my bees become Apistan resistant. My questions are > as follows: > > 1. Does anybody have any experience with this method, or thoughts on how > effective it is likely to be? > > 2. Where can one find "drone foundation" to use for this? > > -- > "Tom" > Tom Bowes/KK8M > 5529 25 Mile Road > Shelby Twp. MI 48316 1) I tested the method with Italian bees in the 80es. My impressions were not so good. It is not always easy to get drone brood on it (unless you 'cage' the queen on the comb i.e. queen excluder on both sides... which the colony does not like that very much) except during the few weeks before the swarming period(s). 2) The French company "Thomas" used to sell drone wax foundation (Langstroth size). It was 30% more expensive than normal foundation. I guess it was imported from US. Cheers Pao From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catching Varroa in Drone Comb Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:05:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7fu4jm$cb3$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.57 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925013430 12643 12.72.51.57 (25 Apr 1999 04:10:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 1999 04:10:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16736 How did he manage to hit the mites with the candies? Peter, have you repopulated your TBH yet? Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.118bebe779a7fa059898cd@news.pe.net... > Dude: Did you see the article from the Frenchman where he said he killed > the mites by unwrapping and throwing 6 of those striped peppermint > candies into his hive? > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing Nuc? Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:59:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7fu0si$84r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: timjk@my-dejanews.com X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 25 Apr 1999 13:00:33 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Apr 25 06:05:19 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 20 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust172.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <372311CE.3AA1@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16737 timjk@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > I will be setting up my first hive in a few days. I'm getting my bees in a > Nuc with 4 frames. I don't find alot of info on setting up this way. Other > than placing the frames in the hives, would the same proceedure be followed > as introducing a package? > Any tips would bee appreciated. > > Thanks, > Tim > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own Go ahead and put them in a regular 10 frame brood box and fill it with frames with foundation. Feed with sugar water until the honey flow starts and watch them grow. I started a nuc with three frames and a queen cell about a month ago, added one frame of brood a week later and had to add a super yesterday and expect to add another by weeks end. Don From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Exciting year with swarms Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:09:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 25 Apr 1999 13:10:18 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Apr 25 06:15:17 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust172.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37231416.5C5C@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16738 I recovered a swarm with mu new home made vac on Apr 23. After a few days a gave them aspitan strips as a test. After 24 hours the sticky board was covered with mites. I'll treat all wild swarms from now on. I started a nuc with three frames and a queen cell about Mar 24. The qal is laying as good as any I have ever seen. They pulled the rest of the frames and I had to add a super yesterday. I had three hives swarm this year and all have recovered to make honey although not as much, I'm sure. Wishing you all happy beekeeping, Don BTW A really good Sate Inspector told me a trick to stop swarming. He has been raising bees for years in a single deep, Queen excluder, and a shallow. Will be glad to post his observations if anyone wants. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Apr 25 21:38:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shriveled Wings Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:10:52 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <371ABD6F.74AD@pacbell.net> <7ff1lf$h48$1@news1.Radix.Net> To: honeybs X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 25 Apr 1999 13:11:27 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Apr 25 06:15:22 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 1 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust172.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3723145C.E79@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16739 Could also be chilled brood. From islapro@islapro.com Sun Apr 25 21:38:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.mad.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No working on Sunday 25 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:26:29 +0200 Organization: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <37234235.63E81AEC@islapro.com> References: <37124C2A.A17E6DAA@mindspring.com> <37153bab.82583081@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------071BF15F2FF5FB5AEB2500C4" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16740 Este es un mensaje multipartes en formato MIME. --------------071BF15F2FF5FB5AEB2500C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seem that this NEWS are not alive today! --------------071BF15F2FF5FB5AEB2500C4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Tarjeta de Jose Matas Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Jose Matas n: Matas;Jose org: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. adr: Bdo. de Santa Eugenia, 14;;;Santa Maria;Mallorca;07320;SPAIN email;internet: islapro@islapro.com title: marketing tel;work: 971-620-115 tel;fax: 971-140-870 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------071BF15F2FF5FB5AEB2500C4-- From apimo@apimo.dk Sun Apr 25 21:38:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update of software! Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:44:42 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 43 Message-ID: <7fvrfo$aha$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip111.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 925069624 10794 195.249.242.111 (25 Apr 1999 19:47:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 1999 19:47:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16741 I have made the software for beekeeping configurale so that it can be used as a queen breeder tool and also in a more simple way as a pure hivenote software excluding the buckfast part for those who don'nt want to tamper with the queen mother or the drone mother. Futher more I have given the choise selecting between two kind of printeroutputs. One with the buckfastnotation and one without but including the comment to the queen, that I also have restablised. If you dont have the software, please take down the whole archive by visiting http://apimo.dk those who have taken the software down within the latest month can get the updated exefile at the following url : http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95update.exe run this exefile and replace the bidatawi95.exe you already have. Please register the software, it will keep this software alive. ten hives registration is 20US membership of EDBi and registration of 20hives software is 45USD full registration unlimited hives only limeted by HD space is 100USD all who register will recive a CD with the 'final' software and a lot of other beekeeping stuff on it. payment by Visa/mastercard/jbc through safe connection to Ibill best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Danmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Austaralia) http://www.apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From jvanVeen@worldnet.att.net Mon Apr 26 16:26:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: John van Veen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Restarting a wild colony Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:43:59 +0100 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3723545E.CB812974@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.19.104 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 925091501 20556 12.65.19.104 (26 Apr 1999 01:51:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 1999 01:51:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16742 There was, until last summer a productive bee colony in the old willow tree in our front yard. They died out, I assume it was the epidemic that got them. I would like to restart the colony. Is this sort of thing done? Do I need to fumigate the nest/hive? Is the epidemic over? Where do I get bees? If sounds like I don't know anything about, you're right. Don't know squat about bees, except we gotta have 'em. John From joef1965@bellsouth.net Mon Apr 26 16:26:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Joe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: gettting rid of bees Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:43:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-77-252-238.bhm.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:43:46 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16743 It would appear that thousands of bees have invaded my attic. I need to have my house reroofed and no one will touch it till I get rid of the bees. Can any one help me , exterminators dont want nothing to do with this, I have called 5 or 6. I dont really care if they end up dead or alive just want them gone. any help would be appreciated! JoeF1965@bellsouth.net From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Apr 26 16:26:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Exciting year with swarms Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:33:25 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37231416.5C5C@earthlink.net> <19990425094304.03909.00001373@ng32.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Apr 1999 01:34:02 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Apr 25 18:35:30 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 22 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust42.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3723C265.B78@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16744 He simply states that one (in the NC Mountains around Asheville) on the first of April inspect hives and remove all frames of brood over four making sure the queen is not moved and mark that hive with number removed. He said it is best with two or more bee yards. Add the brood to weak hives to have four racks of brood in each hive and replace the previously removed frames with the emptys. In that area the hives recover well for the honey flow and swarming is held down. My experience this year has been after the first swarm, remove all the queen cells but two and watch them very carefully and as soon as the first one hatches remove the other. It stopped after swarms and the new queens began laying in time to be producing honey as we write. I have one hive that has supplied many frames of brood to other hives this spring and there is still two deeps and a shallow full of brood with the easiest queen to find I have ever seen. I also learned that a hive getting ready to swarm will plug the cells so the old queen cannot lay and open them back up just as the new queen is ready to lay. I did notice some queen cells that did not hatch had the dead queens backwards in the cells. Yesterday I opened a supersedure cell in a very strong hive and the pupa was backwards. What gives? Don From jkimbro@midtown.net Mon Apr 26 16:26:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: JKimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To: Matthew Westfall Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:32:18 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3723DE41.CC02EB35@midtown.net> References: <7fpiht$aib$1@east43.supernews.com> <372080A6.779D@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.19 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:35:56 GMT X-Trace: 925097756.524.24 YIDHBSSGM6513CDA2C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16745 I don't think it would matter,,, I did remove it and he still didn't reply to me. Barry Birkey said he's about to post plans for one,,,his stuff is usually pretty nice. I did his observation hive,,,came out pretty nice. I couldn't wait any longer for Matthew to post his so I kinda "winged it". Mine came out pretty decent, (if I do say so myself.), and I'm kind of loser of a wood working guy. I've picked up two swarms and one hive with mine so far. I'm not sure WHAT I did before I had one. And there's always "Big Johnson's",,,,,,,,,he's gotta put those young 'uns through college! AL wrote: > David James wrote: > > > > Matthew: > > > > I have been trying to respond to your message concerning the Bee Vac > > plans. However, your email address comes up as a "No existing address". If > > you receive this message, will you please forward to me the plans for the > > bee vac. > > > > Thank you for your assistance in this matter. > > > > David James > > jamesd@xcelco.on.ca > > Remove NOSPAM from his address. > > AL From griffes@my-dejanews.com Mon Apr 26 16:26:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Restarting a wild colony Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:20:32 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7g0m1t$cja$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3723545E.CB812974@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.46 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 26 03:20:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.46 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16746 In article <3723545E.CB812974@worldnet.att.net>, John van Veen wrote: > There was, until last summer a productive bee > colony in the old willow tree in our front > yard. They died out, I assume it was the > epidemic that got them. > > I would like to restart the colony. Is this > sort of thing done? Do I need to fumigate > the nest/hive? Is the epidemic over? Where > do I get bees? > > If sounds like I don't know anything about, > you're right. Don't know squat about bees, > except we gotta have 'em. John, Don't bother starting 'em up in that tree where you cannot effectively help them stay alive - they will die again inside of two years if you do. Rather become a beekeeper and start up 2-3 colonies in regular hives that you can help keep alive (yep not just one). We are not actually having a flare-up and be gone sort of epedemic we have something more akin to an endemic problem and one that is not likely to go away. We do need bees and without beekeepers we ain't gonna have bees. So - become a beekeeper. A bunch of nice folks here will help answer your questions on that subject. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From orangerose@aol.com Mon Apr 26 16:26:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Historical questions.... Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 07:06:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16747 I have some questions considering the history of beekeeping. First: how did the classic, dome-shaped beehive work? Did people actually use them for honey, or just to house pollinators? Did they have some sort of frame system? Second: Where did the various mites come from? I know that they were introduced, but >from where? And is it strictly an American problem or do they have them in Europe, too? Don't they have some sort of predator/population control in their native environment? Just curious.. TIA Kelly From petera@reigate.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 26 16:26:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Peter Ashley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fermented sugar water Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:03:51 +0100 Message-ID: <0hLwTEAX95I3EwQt@reigate.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925081840 nnrp-07:25067 NO-IDENT reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <3dng7$sfZ7uO8Kaf+k8pZR7a1u> Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!reigate.demon.co.uk!petera Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16748 In article , fcas writes >After about 1-2 weeks the sugar water in the feeding pails has a fermented >smell. Are the bees still drinking this? or should it be replaced? > > I would have thought that Fermented Sugar Syrup would likely cause Dysentery or any other stress related condition. If they have not taken it in when you first put it on, they have probably got an alternative source of food! Normally Syrup would be consumed within a few days. Pete -- Peter Ashley From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Apr 26 16:26:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: gettting rid of bees Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 11:09:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990426070925.19396.00001673@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16749 >It would appear that thousands of bees have invaded my attic. I need to have >my house reroofed and no one will touch it till I get rid of the bees. Can >any one help me , exterminators dont want nothing to do with this, I have >called 5 or 6. I dont really care if they end up dead or alive just want >them gone. any help would be appreciated! > >JoeF1965@bellsouth.net > Where are ya Joe ? If you got the money..I got the time. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Apr 26 16:26:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping in the north Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 14:19:25 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990426101925.22788.00000920@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16750 I was wondering if people do beekeeping in the northern parts of Canada and what the special problems there would be. The season is shorter but the daylight hours in the summer are longer. Would the bees work a longer day? Can the bees survive the winter in the hive? Also there may be a willing market for honey etc. Anybody care to comment? Al From cde049@airmail.net Mon Apr 26 16:26:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Installing Nuc. Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:50:58 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3D66335F76D26005.9E4C203F5CDEE342.59A8DF6D13F082C5@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7g293v$1aq@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.iadfw.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Apr 26 12:51:59 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !X2aQ1k-Y!`>EN> (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16751 Next week I will be getting my first hives. As I understand it, by special arraignment I will be getting two deep hive boxes with 5 frames of bees, a queen etc. in each. All my equipment is medium sized deeps (except for the ten frames of deeps and foundation that I have bought especially to fill the new boxes) Is there any way to get the bees to move from the deeps to the mediums or is this done over the winter by giving them three or four mediums to move up to so they abandon the deeps? Cliff From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: congestion question Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:20:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990426162016.24088.00001667@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16752 >This is my first year having them established so I have no drawn comb and I >also am about three weeks from being able to pull Apistan strips out. > >Would anyone be willing to advise...I had considered removing a few frames >of honey from the upper chamber to save as feed and.move some of the outer >frames from the lower chamber and replace with foundation and shift the >outer combs up to the brood nest...but are they likely to draw out the >foundation or am I just delaying the problem?? > >Any advice would be appreciated. >Chris Heffner Super or swarm your choice. Give em space, split em, anything ... Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 29 23:18:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Feeder? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:25:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7g1v5c$fvm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: timjk@my-dejanews.com X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:26:26 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Apr 26 13:35:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust51.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3724CBCC.7ED9@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16753 The one gallon jug is my way of doing it, I however use half gallons. Set it over the hole in the inner cover and put a deep around it and a cover. It works well and you do not need to cut a hole in your cover. Don timjk@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > As a newbee, I'm looking for feeder suggestions. From what I've researched > it looks like a 1 gallon jug with a few hole punched in the lid would do. > Also, wondering if I should cut a hole in the top of my hive for the feeder > for quick and easy access. > Any help appreciated. > > Tim > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 29 23:18:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tax Advantages Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:19:19 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7g2ler$gvl$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37244037.70D61C68@bellsouth.net> <19990426162135.24088.00001668@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.155 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 925161755 17397 12.72.48.155 (26 Apr 1999 21:22:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 1999 21:22:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16754 This is the first time I have smiled since April 15th! Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19990426162135.24088.00001668@ng-ca1.aol.com... > >Are there any tax advantages for keeping Bees? If so, what would they > >be? > > > > Hardly ever showing a profit. > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From usadmin@wwa.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <2ECC1F183@ng-ca1.aol.com> Supersedes: <19990426161513.24088.00001666@ng-ca1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Article From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Approved: usadmin@wwa.com (Henrietta K. Thomas) Newsgroups: alt.gothic,uk.people.gothic,boulder.general,at.test,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7g2bsr$art$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Date: 26 Apr 1999 23:59:30 GMT X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Reply-To: usadmin@wwa.com (Henrietta K. 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From w8864@midwest.net Thu Apr 29 23:18:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New-BEE Question? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:47:43 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <925166983.378.92@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.56.97 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:49:43 GMT X-Trace: 925166983.378.92 JF3D7GB4M3861D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16757 I got my bees today, 2, 3lb packs. I have never raised bees and today was an adventure. I put the queen capsule in-between the frames and dumped the bees on top of all the frames. There were so many bees they took forever getting between the frames down into the brood box bottom. On the the scecond bunch I took out about 4 frames and dumped the bees in . Which way is the best way to place the new bees into the brood box? Also, how long will it take the bees to eat the queens out of their capsules? I noticed after I dumped the bees out the shipping container still had lots of bees in them, I left the shipping boxes next to the hive, will the bees come out and go to the queen? I want to thank all of you, who have helped me through all of this. I'm sure this won't be my last request for info. Thanks again. bill From harrisonrw@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: gettting rid of bees Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 1999 01:40:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990426214049.15326.00000183@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16758 If you tell me which city, town and state you are in I could put you in touch with someone. Regards, Ralph Harrison western CT Beekeepers Association From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To: Matthew Westfall Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:51:45 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 58 Message-ID: <37251678.22842446@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <7fpiht$aib$1@east43.supernews.com> <372080A6.779D@midwest.net> <3723DE41.CC02EB35@midtown.net> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co55-55.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Apr 26 8:45:08 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16761 Hi David & all, Yes, just remove the "NOSPAM" and you'll get right to me. I did reply to David Sunday morning though. David, if you didn't get my e-mail, post back to me (fltdeck1@NOSPAMix.netcom.com). For those that post on the newsgroups without SPAM protection, I used to do the same thing....but now I sometimes get 10-15 spams a day. Anyone with need of the Bee-vac plans, feel free to post back to me or Barry & we'll extend the address to the temporary site where they're located (with MANY high definition pics). Happy Keeping, Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:32:18 -0700, JKimbro wrote: >I don't think it would matter,,, I did remove it and he still didn't reply to >me. > >Barry Birkey said he's about to post plans for one,,,his stuff is usually pretty >nice. I did his observation hive,,,came out pretty nice. I couldn't wait any >longer for Matthew to post his so I kinda "winged it". >Mine came out pretty decent, (if I do say so myself.), and I'm kind of loser of >a wood working guy. I've picked up two swarms and one hive with mine so far. >I'm not sure WHAT I did before I had one. And there's always "Big >Johnson's",,,,,,,,,he's gotta put those young 'uns through college! > >AL wrote: > >> David James wrote: >> > >> > Matthew: >> > >> > I have been trying to respond to your message concerning the Bee Vac >> > plans. However, your email address comes up as a "No existing address". If >> > you receive this message, will you please forward to me the plans for the >> > bee vac. >> > >> > Thank you for your assistance in this matter. >> > >> > David James >> > jamesd@xcelco.on.ca >> >> Remove NOSPAM from his address. >> >> AL > From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 29 23:18:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Article Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:29:03 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7g2bsr$art$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.209 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925151963 11133 12.72.48.209 (26 Apr 1999 18:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Apr 1999 18:39:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16762 While probably overly optomistic in it's references to overcoming the mites, this is nonetheless a favorable article that you don't see much of. This appeared on the front page of the Sacramento Bee so I guess it was a slow news day. http://www.sacbee.com/news/news/local03_19990426.html From cmbh71c@prodigy.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cmbh71c@prodigy.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: discover channel and african bees Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:51:54 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7g3mqa$2qm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <37083C5F.31FB0DD@webzone.net> <37115801.DE8AB66D@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.115.59.48 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 27 06:51:54 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x16.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.115.59.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16763 i was told by a friend that he saw a show on discover channel about african killer bees. he said that show claimed that these bees have killed 30,000 people since 1956. he also said that these bees killed 36 people in a small town, did anyone see this show? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 29 23:18:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New-BEE Question? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:09:37 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990427050323.09819.00002942@ng-fv1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 27 Apr 1999 10:10:12 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Apr 27 03:15:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust34.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37258CE1.7752@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16764 Kevin, Why do you say candy hole down? If nurse bees die, they will block the hole for her to crawl out. Just learning, Don From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees sign Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 1999 20:30:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990427152815.00460.00000037@ngol02.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990427163009.02069.00000206@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16765 Directly next to your bee sign, post the name of a good attorney. :-) From apimo@apimo.dk Thu Apr 29 23:18:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.tli.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Did You read! Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:06:10 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7g5cjd$h6f$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip115.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 925250989 17615 195.249.242.115 (27 Apr 1999 22:09:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Apr 1999 22:09:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16766 The updated exe file I gave the URL to, is of course also valid for the 5 hives free edition, which means the hivenote software not registered! So for You who have taken the software down for test can of course also use this update. URL : http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95update.exe it is only the exe file! If You dont have the full archive, You must download it, if you want to test it out. The software is free up to 5 hives and will not expire. OBS only goes for win95-98 edition. I have stopped the developing of the win 3+ software and will in a very short time remove it from internet, becouse It is not year 2000 safe. size in windows 750 kb what was new : comment to the queen re-established. choose able Bucfast not buckfast mode! choose able out print from the search engine search in all it databases is now possible. If you plan to use software in your beekeeping, then why not use a software build on the experience from about 50 beekeepers through the last 10 years! Visit http://apimo.dk for more information best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Danmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Austaralia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 29 23:18:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New-BEE Question? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:49:07 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <925166983.378.92@news.remarQ.com> To: Bill X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 27 Apr 1999 22:49:43 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Apr 27 15:55:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust54.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37263EE2.C14@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16767 Sounds like you are learning. I put a queen in on Sat last and today she is laying all over the brood box. She will settle down to a pattern in a few days. Give yours four or five days and check to see if they are out. If not you may want to release them and remove the cages. Check them a few days later for eggs and larva. Don From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drilling holes in supers Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 1999 01:54:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990427215414.05733.00000152@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16768 I understand many beekeepers drill holes in their supers to avoid conjestion and to aid in ventilation, but that raises several questions in my mind: 1) Doesn't drilling multiple entrances in your hives increase possible problems with robbing, especially if the holes are up nearer to where the honey is stored? 2) During the wintertime, don't those drilled holes increase the likelihood that chilly drafts can blow through the hive, stressing out the bees? Or worse, that snow or rain can blow into the brood chamber. From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New-BEE Question? Inside ? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 1999 02:00:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990427220023.02067.00000422@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16769 > Let them take as long as it takes, >to find their way to the queen, and >they're already in the hive, so their >only challenge, is to find the blossoms . > > Sound sensible ? nope, they'll draw a nice comb in the box. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From heffnerc@nospamsunlink.net Thu Apr 29 23:18:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news21.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "chris heffner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 10 frames or 9 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.234.170.46 X-Trace: news21.ispnews.com 925267889 199.234.170.46 (Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:51:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:51:29 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:50:24 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16770 May I ask if the general idea expressed on this thread were to not start a brood box with 9 frames of foundation via a spacer nailed in place? Chris Heffner From circuitREMOVETHIS@bigfoot.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do about ants by my hives Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:27:53 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7fp0uh$73f$1@news.vic.com> References: <371b90b2.14363022@news.ntplx.net> <19990419204653.25712.00002728@ng30.aol.com> <11F2EC008DB7AD4F.013F373691B2C5AA.A070F0DCD90F1FBB@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16771 my hive stand is built with 4 legs made from 2x2's if your stand is similar then get 4 cans big enough to put the legs in and have at least 2" around each leg. Put some motor oil or mineral oil in each can, maybe 1" . The ants cannot cross the oil. I have done this and have only had maybe 2 bees get in it. Try to keep the rain out of the cans otherwise the water will fill the can and the oil will run out. Larry ----------HIVE------------ || || || || || || [___] <--- CAN --> [___] dewitt wrote in message <11F2EC008DB7AD4F.013F373691B2C5AA.A070F0DCD90F1FBB@library-proxy.airnews.ne t>... > >>go buy a box of Raid Ant Motels >>put one under each hive, one inside the top cover of each. >>too small for a bee to get in, they take the bait home..... No more ants >> >>works great. > >If you are in an area with fire ants this will not work, they rent out rooms >in the motels for little ant hookers and hang a red light out front and make >a killin. > >I put all my hives on tables 48"x20" with enough high to get my lawn mower >under them and put all four legs in 3 pound coffee cans filled with old >motor oil. > > > From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Equipment Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 1999 00:34:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990427134134.04749.00000027@ngol05.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990427203438.05733.00000105@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16772 I'm a first-year beekeeper who has had his 2 new hives for two weeks now. I went with all-new equipment, and I'm trying out different things. On one hive a have a boardman feeder, the external feeder they sell with all those beginner kits. On the basis of my short experience, I'd say stay away >from them. Seems like no matter how hard I try, there is always a little spillage on the jar or in the threads, or else robber insects can just smell the sugar syrup inside, and they hang around trying to get to it. I have found several dead wasps on the landing board of that hive, and there seems to be a lot more attempted robbing going on. Consequently, I worry that due to all the extra physical contact with everybody elses' bees in the neighborhood, that hive is getting exposed to more diseases, mites, fungus, protozoa, etc., etc. than the other hive. Also, the hive with the external feeder seems more aggressive and cranky. I'm going to take the Boardman feeder out next time I visit the hives and put in a regular cleat. From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders vs Specialized cone 7-11 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 1999 02:06:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990427220601.02067.00000427@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16773 >I'm A New Bee. but I would like to get the pros views on Queen excluders >vs.. using Specialized cone that the queen doesn't like to lay eggs in >(Ke Queen excluder/honey excluder, many names if not using an extractor why worry ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!news.he.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping on bear platform Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 1999 15:19:50 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990428111950.10228.00000178@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16774 Has anybody had any experience beekeeping on a bear platform. This would be an elevated deck which a bear could not access. I would like to like to know about the design thanks Jajwuth From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 29 23:18:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 10 frames or 9 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:02:06 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7g7jl1$s05$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.142 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925323745 28677 12.72.46.142 (28 Apr 1999 18:22:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 18:22:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16775 With foundation, you start with 10 shoved tight together. After they are drawn, you can remove 1 and spread them out if desired. A spacer with 9 frames will not yield any better result than 9 without. I use 9 drawn frames (brood and supers) and I don't use the spacers. It is easy enough to do it by sight. Remember, if they are not fed or there is no flow going, they won't draw it out as fast as they will require it. Egg laying may shut-down. So feed. This was an interesting thread. I had always been under the impression that 9 was the current standard and was enlightened by the commercial guys and there reasons for using 10. I guess it is largely preference. Since I tinker allot, I find 9 makes for easier manipulations. I can see now how those that don't do allot of frame manipulating benefit from the extra brood space. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail chris heffner wrote in message news:RIuV2.1577$v3.269607@news21.ispnews.com... > May I ask if the general idea expressed on this thread were to not start a > brood box with 9 frames of foundation via a spacer nailed in place? > > > Chris Heffner > > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 29 23:18:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!xmission!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!attbtf!ip.att.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drilling holes in supers Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:20:07 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7g7jl2$s05$2@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990427215414.05733.00000152@ng17.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.142 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 925323746 28677 12.72.46.142 (28 Apr 1999 18:22:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 18:22:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16776 If you are talking about honey supers, I have some that I have bored a 1.5" hole in both ends above the handhold. I covered them with screen to eliminate robbing and access by wax moths. My purpose was for ventiltion in the 105+ degree summer heat. Some say the bees will avoid storing in these areas but I have not found this to be the case. I also have some without holes and I am not sure which, if any, is better. Shims are another way of providing additional openings. Staggering supers is another. If you are talking about rood chambers, if I lived where there is snow I would bore a hole in each brood chamber and use a reduced entrance in the winter. In my climate I can use the full width entrance at 3/8" in the winter. In the spring it gets opened to 7/8". It seems to be largely an issue of preference and finding what works for you in your area. Since I live in California, I have to temper allot of what I read (which seems to largely originate in the northern and eastern states) to fit my situation. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990427215414.05733.00000152@ng17.aol.com... > I understand many beekeepers drill holes in their supers to avoid conjestion > and to aid in ventilation, but that raises several questions in my mind: > 1) Doesn't drilling multiple entrances in your hives increase possible problems > with robbing, especially if the holes are up nearer to where the honey is > stored? > 2) During the wintertime, don't those drilled holes increase the likelihood > that chilly drafts can blow through the hive, stressing out the bees? Or worse, > that snow or rain can blow into the brood chamber. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New-BEE Question? Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:28:30 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <19990427050323.09819.00002942@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shokb604-23.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 925327103 2683093 209.253.224.119 (28 Apr 1999 19:18:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 19:18:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16777 In article <19990427050323.09819.00002942@ng-fv1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >I took out about 4 frames and dumped the bees in > >So this is the way to do it? > > ************yes************** > > >sit it against the entrance, they will go on in > >Are you saying NOT to block the > >entrance with grass?? > > ********yes************* snipped... > FEED FEED FEED FEED > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC THANKS! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY http://www.GoStretch.com From Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boeing.com Thu Apr 29 23:18:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!korova.insync.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Can you claim dead colony as a casualty loss on tax return? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------45794AD1441FB1506883A4E9" Message-ID: <37275EAF.9B864F9D@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: Tooling Numerical Control Programming Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:17:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.3) Lines: 47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16778 --------------45794AD1441FB1506883A4E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Group, If a beekeeper loses a colony or several colonies due to a disease such as varroa or something similar, does it qualify as a casualty loss for income tax purposes? What dollar value would be appropriate for a healthy, producing colony of bees that crash? Can this be construde as a natural disaster? Just trying to help, -- Billy Y. 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If a beekeeper loses a colony or several colonies due to a disease such as varroa or something similar, does it qualify as a casualty loss for income tax purposes? What dollar value would be appropriate for a healthy, producing colony of bees that crash? Can this be construde as a natural disaster?

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  --------------45794AD1441FB1506883A4E9-- From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:18:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:29:32 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7g7sic$42j$7@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <372317bf.1058752@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925332876 4179 62.136.11.166 (28 Apr 1999 20:54:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:54:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16779 Thanks! Real Name: wrote in message ... >Hi, > > You betcha . > > Yup . > > Like-that . > >Ken . > > >------------Reply Separator---------------- >On 4/22/99 11:50PM, in message ><372317bf.1058752@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>, >nephron@my-dejanews.com wrote: > >Please place replies beneath the quoted text, and >trim, where possible. >-- >nephron@my-dejanews.com > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:18:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!scrappy.visi.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:09:54 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7g7si6$42j$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990423191834.00278.00000350@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925332870 4179 62.136.11.166 (28 Apr 1999 20:54:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:54:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16780 Bob I now see how the group has developed and that it appears to serve most of its members well. I was saddened by the personal attacks - but as one of my first beekeeping tutors said 'just because someone keeps bees it does not mean that they are a nice person - there are just as many bad ones in the beekeeping community as in the rest of the population'; I am not sure that it true, but not many non-beekeepers steal hives! I have to plead guilty on spelling! Whilst not claiming to be perfect myself, I do consider it to be a discourtesy to other users not to make an attempt to use correct spelling - after all, with modern spellcheckers it takes very little effort. (This is not an attack on those who choose spelling which reflects their local dialect and which can be very entertaining!) BobPursley wrote in message <19990423191834.00278.00000350@ngol05.aol.com>... > Well, perhaps on retrospection, this group should have been formed under rec >or alt, not sci. But it is what it is, and probably serves a good purpose. > What I have noted in the six months I have subscribed is a more than ordinary >number of personal attacks on those with whom you disagree. These have ranged >over spelling, grammar, swarming prevention, who your ISPmaybe, and spam. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:18:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:52:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7g7si5$42j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <3720B58E.2727@earthlink.net> <7fun73$b2l$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925332869 4179 62.136.11.166 (28 Apr 1999 20:54:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:54:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16781 Adam Thank you for your comprehensive (and polite!) posting; it was most interesting to read. I must say that I was surprised at some of the 'venomous' replies - both to the group and sent to me direct. It seems that I will have to use a little more smoke in future, as it would appear that some AHB genes may have transferred to beekeepers. (There is something for scientific investigation!) I will reply, where appropriate to the individual postings. My thanks to those who expressed sympathy for my views in private e-mails. With regard to your question about the swarms with multiple virgins, I have found this on a number of occasions - last year I removed one that was one wrapped around the base of a tree at Holy Trinity church (where Shakespeare is buried) that had five queens; my wife had great difficulty explaining what was going on to the inevitable group of Japanese tourists! I have never found dead queens beneath the swarm ('did you look?' you might ask) but have often found dead ones when transferring the swarm from skep to hive - so my unscientific guess is that they fight after they have found what appears to be a permanent home, in this case the skep. Adam Finkelstein wrote in message <7fun73$b2l$1@golux.radix.net>... >In article <3720B58E.2727@earthlink.net>, >workerbee wrote: >>Don't knock it. It's free and most of the time it's free. If you want >>the high brow stuff subscribe to Bee-L >> >> >> > >Ha-hah. I find this thread, and the above post, really amusing. Actually, >the the origins of beekeeping on Usenet focused on the "high brow/low >brow" issue. Some folks wanted to keep beekeeping as a topic only on >the listserv bee-l while others wanted a Usenet newsgroup for beekeeping. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:18:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cough drops for mites Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:19:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7g7u8f$5oi$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990427213602.05733.00000142@ng17.aol.com> <19990428082037.07752.00000460@ng126.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-43.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925334607 5906 62.136.67.43 (28 Apr 1999 21:23:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 21:23:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16782 For what it is worth: My own experience in the UK is that in my early years of beekeeping I checked for and treated acarine (tracheal) mites; then I decided that the problem was limited to a relatively small number of colonies which I allowed to die out. I now have no problem with these mites and do not even bother to check for them. The same applies to nosema - I once fed Fumadil B to all colonies, but now see no need - and I have saved a great deal of money! From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Apr 29 23:18:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 10 frames or 9 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:09:15 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7g7rni$mbd$1@front4.grolier.fr> References: <7g7jl1$s05$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-206.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 925332018 22893 195.36.180.206 (28 Apr 1999 20:40:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:40:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16783 Bonjour everybody, The normal space between two frames was defined (according to wild bee-hive surveys) to be 37mm. for brood part that gives 10 frames inside a Dadant box 432 mm.outside wide. Spacing is increased up to 42 mm for super (9 frames in the same width) in order to try to prevent laying. Queens are supposed to dislike too deep cells. I am not sure that's true when I find so often brood in supers.! An other reason would be that it's sparing wax and thus you can get more honey in same volume. Popy George Styer a écrit dans le message <7g7jl1$s05$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>... >With foundation, you start with 10 shoved tight together. After they are >drawn, you can remove 1 and spread them out if desired. .... > >This was an interesting thread. I had always been under the impression that >9 was the current standard and was enlightened by the commercial guys and >there reasons for using 10. I guess it is largely preference. Since I tinker >allot, I find 9 makes for easier manipulations. I can see now how those that >don't do allot of frame manipulating benefit from the extra brood space. >-- >Geo >"Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > >chris heffner wrote in message >news:RIuV2.1577$v3.269607@news21.ispnews.com... >> May I ask if the general idea expressed on this thread were to not start a >> brood box with 9 frames of foundation via a spacer nailed in place? >> >> Chris Heffner > From pascal66@globetrotter.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.quebectel.com!news.quebectel.com!not-for-mail From: pascal fournier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen question Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:26:43 -0400 Organization: GlobeTrotter Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3721FED2.45F6F8CF@globetrotter.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-37.f3219.quebectel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: George C Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16784 George C wrote: > I just received in the mail a queen I ordered for a split I am going to > make. However we just had a winter storm move in (Denver, CO) and we have > snow and 30 degree F temperatures predicted for the next few days. How long > can I keep the queen in her cage out of a colony?... I had the same problem, and quicly (really !) steel a brood frame from a hive, pull the candy caged queen, the brood frame with the bees on it in a nuc box with three other frame not build inside my house. Build a little screen cage around (approx 3X3X3feet) and feed heavily the bees but outside the nuc, in the screen box. Makes my wife crazy but works well. Reuniting everybody 2 weeks later. No problem with that but I' m not sure it's really necessary for a $12.00 queen. Anyway you can keep the cage (but not the wife on my experience) to other emergency. As I live in Quebec, I'm wondering to know ifr somebody has tips about starting nucleis inside. The nuc I create from only one frame was in good shape. Is it possible to make nucleis in that way? As I see, a very little amount of worker are necessary to allow a colony to live inside for a short period. Does someone experienced it for a long period? pascal fournier From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Apr 29 23:19:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-queening Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:27:56 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7g7rnj$mbd$2@front4.grolier.fr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-206.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 925332019 22893 195.36.180.206 (28 Apr 1999 20:40:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:40:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16785 Bonjour, It is admitted that best time is during honey flow while the workers (older bees) are busy. The Queen is easier accepted. Francis Miquet a écrit dans le message ... >When's the best time to re-queen in the Spring? > >Before the honey flow, or as it's starting? > >Please e-mail response. > >Thanks > >Francis > >-- >Remove SPAMFREE in from e-mail address in reply From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:14:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7g7si9$42j$4@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <3720B58E.2727@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925332873 4179 62.136.11.166 (28 Apr 1999 20:54:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:54:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16786 I do. workerbee wrote in message <3720B58E.2727@earthlink.net>... >Don't knock it. It's free and most of the time it's free. If you want >the high brow stuff subscribe to Bee-L > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:15:35 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7g7sia$42j$5@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <924884035.854.60@news.remarQ.com> <3720AB6A.740@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925332874 4179 62.136.11.166 (28 Apr 1999 20:54:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:54:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16787 A rock - so I am told. AL wrote in message <3720AB6A.740@midwest.net>... >Dave Marple wrote: >> >> Can anyone tell me what the 'peter' in this man's name name stands for? >> From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:14:01 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7g7si8$42j$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <372317bf.1058752@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7fqa1a$ql2$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <372debbe.50820053@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925332872 4179 62.136.11.166 (28 Apr 1999 20:54:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:54:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16788 Not much happening at alt.hobbies.beekeeping. I hope that I am not - and certainly have no wish to be - a self-appointed moderator. I was not aware that we keep losing our colonies - in fact I thought that ours are healthier than many. We certainly do not need large quantities of drugs to keep them alive! nephron@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <372debbe.50820053@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>... >On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:16:39 -0700, "George Styer" > wrote: > >>Why don't you go lurk at alt.hobbies.beekeeping and let us get back to >>discussing bees? Geez, I hate self-appointed moderators. No wonder the UK >>keeps losing it's colonies. Control, control, control. > >Phag From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:28:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7g7sib$42j$6@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <37207D41.D30CB208@wave.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925332875 4179 62.136.11.166 (28 Apr 1999 20:54:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:54:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16789 Neil I am delighted that you are benefiting from this forum and that it supplements information from publications and journals - I hope to do the same. My comments were directed at those, unlike yourself, who obviously cannot be bothered to do any research for themselves. I appreciate your comment that it is a free world and would hope that the 'free world' would allow me to express an opinion! No, I was not having a bad morning - it was evening here at the time! Neil Carter wrote in message <37207D41.D30CB208@wave.home.com>... >As a beeginner (oops sp !), I have benefited greatly from this forum, in >addition to reading publications and journals - different ideas and >approaches. It is a free world which also gives you the freedom not to >participate or to create your own forum which meets your needs better. > >Having a bad morning ??? > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!amsterdam1-snf1!news.gtei.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:53:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 82 Message-ID: <7g7sid$42j$8@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7fo8hh$i5s$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925332877 4179 62.136.11.166 (28 Apr 1999 20:54:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:54:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16790 Like the humour (sorry - humor?) but there re some serious points here worthy of reply. >Science? Us dumb old back woods americans just didn't spell >it too well. Got it right that time! > >>I have been following this newsgroup now for about four months and it seems >>to me that there is very little 'sci' in the postings. > >>Many people - often, I have to say, from the USA - ask for incredibly basic >>information which is widely available in excellent range of beekeeping >>magazines that are available e.g. > >That's great but we can't read over here in the USA. We >have voice translators built into our computers! You are joking - aren't you?> >>or from the vast array of beekeeping books available which are far too >>numerous to list here. >Maybe the brits should put the books on video tapes so us >couch potato americans can learn beekeeping. > Many of them are YOUR books! >>Surely this newsgroup should supplement and add to the vast amount of >>information already available, using the power of instant communication to >>update members on the latest developments worldwide, rather than simply >>providing basic information for those too idle to look it up for themselves. > >>The use of spellcheckers as a standard option might also be a good idea for >>many members! > >Spellchecker? Naw, we don't need it anymore than you guys >need to learn english. English has an upper-case 'E'. > >The truth is the web has become the major sorce for first >information. Libraries are becoming a thing of the past. >It's sad but what can you do. It shouldn't be too many more >years before most any book can be looked at on the web. Agree - but let us hope that we do not lose any as a result and that this is not the only way that we can access them - I would not wish to be forced to read books on the small (or even a large) screen. How would I take them on holiday? > >On the other hand most of us don't agree on how to do a lot >of the simple things asked. That breeds open discussions >that all of us can learn from. You can learn more by >teaching than by studying. > Again I agree - but it is important that we do not disadvantage our students by our own lack of knowledge; we should not learn at our pupils expense. There is an old adage ' those that can, do - those that can't, teach'. >Greg the beekeep > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.good.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tax Advantages Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:11:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7g7u8e$5oi$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37244037.70D61C68@bellsouth.net> <19990426162135.24088.00001668@ng-ca1.aol.com> <37263CCA.2002@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-43.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 925334606 5906 62.136.67.43 (28 Apr 1999 21:23:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 21:23:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16791 There can be a considerable advantage for UK beekeepers if they are willing to produce accounts and fill in the necessary tax returns. The tax laws allow you to write off considerable losses - provided that you show a profit at least once every six years. VenomX wrote in message <37263CCA.2002@ix.netcom.com>... >Hk1BeeMan wrote: >> >> >Are there any tax advantages for keeping Bees? If so, what would they >> >be? >> > From orangerose@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Apr 1999 22:58:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7g7si6$42j$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990428185855.02371.00000010@ng42.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16792 >I do consider it to be a discourtesy to other users not to make an >attempt to use correct spelling - after all, with modern spellcheckers it >takes very little effort. I use the newsgroup reader that came with my AOL 4.0 software. It does not have a spell-checker, killfile, or address-munging capabilities. I hope you don't find less-than-perfect typing skills discourteous. Proofreading for spelling can be quite time-consuming. Kelly From ymbelluso@yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!news.megsinet.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:56:26 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.81.175.214 X-Trace: news.megsinet.net 925340835 209.81.175.214 (Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:07:15 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:07:15 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16793 Earlier today and in days previous posts, varroa questions related to history have been entered. To that end, maybe this link will have the information for which you search. I have not looked at it all, but it does have potential. mb :-) http://www.res.bbsrc.ac.uk/entnem/about/projects/varroa/alvarweb.htm Thanks to Country Jack for all the information on his website. mb :-) http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/beelink1.html From cross@pcpostal.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <372781CE.14D572D5@pcpostal.com> From: Gary X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's The Brood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 X-Trace: /wzbxY5NmL9sCcpcZQj/7z+vKQkHAEnpCYCF0C713558wRMrimyahSZ9FyNFrlsTXH3jsNSCkC7W!bjbgepGXgGKQXI1zmJ5k3h3XtF+u8aDIEBOIZzKMbCW+oDH+IhZbUatrmuQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:52:27 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:52:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16794 Actually there may be brood. I received my 2 packages of bees 3 1/2 weeks ago. Everything appears to be going ok. However whenever I open either hive, which I have done twice now, the bees get a little annoyed. I smoke them pretty good and give them about a minute before I open the hive. Usually by the time I get to the second frame quite a few of the bees are flying around and two or three really get in my face and act extremely hacked. Its usually about this time I decide both the bees and me have had enough. As a result I have not found the queen or any brood in the frames I have checked, I always start on the outer most frame and work in, maybe I should start in the center. I do find bees bearing pollen though. Does this mean there is likely brood present? Next time I open the hive I plan to stick with it and check all the frames. From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:07 EDT 1999 Article: 16795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cough drops for mites Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1999 00:48:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7g7u8f$5oi$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990428204829.20970.00000131@ng154.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16795 These points are compelling, no doubt. But they bring up an interesting problem for someone like me. On the one hand, it's in all beekeepers' best interests to let the less resistant colonies die out. On the other hand, I've paid $50 or $60 per package of bees including shipping and I find it awful hard to roll the dice with their survival by not treating for preventable diseases. It easy enough for you folks to advocate this point when you're not spending your own money, or if you have a big enough apiary where a few colony's dying out won't devastate you. Last year, my boss did not treat for any diseases and 3 of his 4 hives died out due to treacheal mites (as diagnosed by an entomologist who studies bees). He bought 2 more packages this year, and is hoping the one that didn't die swarms. This year he is also treating for treacheal mites with a miticide. It's hard to take losses like that. It also seems like folly not to treat new packages of bees going into hives with no drawn comb. Those bees are under enough stress without leaving them to duke it out with the diseases by themselves. Still, your point is a compelling one. When I have more than 2 established colonies in a year or so, I may let a few go without treatments, and then breed >from those that survive. Thanks for sharing, JM From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's The Brood Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:00:43 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 95 Message-ID: <3727CB5B.D743EA64@valley.net> References: <372781CE.14D572D5@pcpostal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-113.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16796 Gary wrote: > Actually there may be brood. > I received my 2 packages of bees 3 1/2 weeks ago. Everything appears to > be going ok. However whenever I open either hive, which I have done > twice now, the bees get a little annoyed. I smoke them pretty good and > give them about a minute before I open the hive. Usually by the time I > get to the second frame quite a few of the bees are flying around and > two or three really get in my face and act extremely hacked. Its usually > about this time I decide both the bees and me have had enough. As a > result I have not found the queen or any brood in the frames I have > checked, I always start on the outer most frame and work in, maybe I > should start in the center. I do find bees bearing pollen though. Does > this mean there is likely brood present? Next time I open the hive I > plan to stick with it and check all the frames. greetings, fwiw, here are a few ideas/tips. 1) don't oversmoke them. too much smoke can make bees pretty upset. usually, all you need are a couple of puffs at the entrance and a couple of puffs at the tops of the frames of each box. personally, i've made it a practice to see how little smoke is really necessary. over time, i've backed way off on the amount of smoke i use, sometimes not using any beyond the first couple of puffs at the entrance. 2) try not to exhale onto the frames [into the boxes]. that really ticks them off and will usually bring a few up to say 'hi' face to face. it's easy to forget this one and inadvertently breath on them. you will usually see a quick response. 3) try not to jostle them too much. the more you jiggle and bump frames around as you move them, the more you will agitate the bees. 4) try not to kill too many bees with your actions [squishing with frames, rolling off frames, squishing on gloves, etc.] the more you kill, the more alarm pheromones are given off to alert the survivors that there's trouble in river city. smooth, purposeful motions work best. 5) don't be alarmed by a few bees buzzing around. as your colonies get larger, you will find more and more in the air as you work. most will just fly around and eventually go back to the hive. if one or two challenge you, then ignore them. don't swat at them, as the motion will just tick off others. 6) work your bees at peak nectar gathering time, so there are fewer bees in the hive and the ones that are there are too busy to bother with you. if they are really working hard, you can actually watch bees walk around on the frame in your hands, looking to off load pollen or nectar. 7) working from the outside in is usually best. remember to keep one frame out of the hive while you work a box to give yourself more room to move the other frames. 8) don't worry, if you don't see the queen every time you open the hive. she is an expert at hiding and avoids the light. she can scurry to the other side of a frame faster than you would think possible. also, if you are only inspecting the outer frames, it is unlikely that you will see either the queen or brood, since both will tend to be on inner frames. [not always, though. right now i have a hive with brood on the outer frame.] pollen gathering often, but not always means brood. 9) next time try this: smoke the bees at the entrance a couple of times. wait a minute. open the hive. smoke the top frames with 2 puffs. pull the outer or next to outer frame, whichever is easiest to remove, and set it aside [edge down, not flat]. now, slide the next 2 or 3 frames to the outside of the box, until you can reach one of the center frames. carefully slide the center frame into the gap, pull it and check it. you will probably see brood, eggs, larva, the whole enchilada. if the bees are blocking your view of the comb you can bring the frame up to your face [a couple of inches away] and blow very lightly on them [short puffs, not too hard]. taking advantage of their aversion to carbon dioxide, generally you'll find that they'll move out of the way and a gap will appear in their midst, through which you can examine the cells. if the bees are in a good mood, keep looking at frames to get a sense of how they're doing. if you're lucky, you'll see her highness. this way, you get to check out the inner frames before the bees reach their tolerance limit, and you do it in such a way [utilizing the gap from the missing frame] as to minimize damage to bees on those frames. be sure to replace the frames in the order you removed them, especially if there's brood on the inner ones. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From pascal66@globetrotter.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!nntp.abs.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.quebectel.com!news.quebectel.com!not-for-mail From: pascal fournier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Virus checking Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:21:24 -0400 Organization: definitly none Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37274393.DD3F5F00@globetrotter.net> References: <37251B0B.D7ABE24@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-11.f3201.quebectel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Bill Greenrose Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16797 Hi. I use for a long time a virus scanner called F-Prot. Can be download free (trial version) >from www.datafellows.com. Always check attached files before running on my computer. and so never has problems. Works better than Norton or McAffee on my opinion hope this could help PF Bill Greenrose wrote: > greetings, all. > > it was recently reported here that my postings included an attachment > snip snap snip > don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From dial5@marshall.edu Thu Apr 29 23:19:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!korova.insync.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!wvnvms!wvnvm!dial5 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Message-ID: <01be9048$8d7d5980$58d54781@dial> From: "Larry" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:50:03 -0400 References: <3722969B.80345F95@bc.sympatico.ca> <19990425091822.03792.00001374@ng30.aol.com> <372342C8.EE18A1A3@valley.net> Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.71.213.88 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16798 This thread has attached to it the Happy 99 virus. Don't open the attachment. Bill Greenrose wrote in article <372342C8.EE18A1A3@valley.net>... > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > > > body back to it, feed them till they quit taking syrup or have say at least 3 > > full frames in the top box ( I use a dark green food coloring in syrup so i > > know where the feed is and the honey is ) > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > > > food coloring! what a cool way to see where the syrup is going! i'll have to > > try that, if for no other reason than personal education. kevin, can you track > > if the bees move honey around as the seasons change? how long does spring syrup > > honey last? can you still see it in the frames in the fall? > > bill > > ########################################## > > don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > > From hensler@povn.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees sign Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:35:05 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 37 Message-ID: <372681E9.2EA@povn.com> References: <19990427124122.02995.00000022@ngol04.aol.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp222.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16799 Jajwuth wrote: > > Is it advisable to post signs at the front of your property warning people > of bees if you have bee hives. This would be in case someone wanders > on to your property. Yo Al: There was a thread on one of the dog groups a while back on this subject. Seems like, in some jurisdictions at least, posting signs, having waivers signed, etc. actually can pose a bigger threat for the property owner than it accomplishes. While you *may* gain a psychological advantage in that some folks could assume they have already given up their rights if they are harmed on your property and not press the issue, in fact any attorney worth his/her salt will use such warnings as evidence that you were aware of a potential hazard and didn't take the proper steps to protect the poor innocent victim, if it ever gets to that extreme. This state of affairs seems to be based on common law precedent and would appear to apply to civil, not criminal proceedings. Also, it may be superseded by state/local ordinances and most certainly would not apply in all countries where this group is beamed. In other words, I am *not* an attorney and this info is worth exactly what I'm getting paid to pass it on. :-) However, there could very well be at least a grain of truth involved and it could be money well spent to actually consult a local attorney if you are truly concerned about protecting your butt... Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Thu Apr 29 23:19:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!Norway.EU.net!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cough drops for mites Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:51:12 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37282B90.4ADBB195@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <7g7u8f$5oi$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990428204829.20970.00000131@ng154.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16800 JMitc1014 wrote: > .... > On the other hand, I've paid $50 or $60 per package of bees including > shipping and I find it awful hard to roll the dice with their survival by not > treating for preventable diseases. ...... How many combs, bees, brood, weight, food, square inches of wax comb , ..., contains one single package of bees ? In other words what is a package of bees ? Hugo (the half a bee) -- Hugo Thone (VE144) |email htho@se.bel.alcatel.be |do bee do bee do ALCATEL TELECOM |phone (32) 3 240 94 52 | (\ F.Wellesplein 1 |fax (32) 3 240 99 49 | {|||8- B-2018 Antwerp | | (/ From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Apr 29 23:19:12 EDT 1999 Article: 16801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: authors & mentors in our midst Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1999 11:59:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37285052.168746335@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990429075951.18443.00000003@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16801 I have been working my bees in jeans and a tie dyed T shirt I am seriously considering tie dyeing a bee suit. Come fall or a dearth I will probably have to resort to a zipper veil suit. IMO how you behave has more bearing than what you wear. Move slow and sure Smoke gently Don't bang things around. On cool mornings tuck your trousers in your socks. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From tarkkabackshall@bigpond.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail From: "A Tarkka" Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01be923c$f1130080$LocalHost@tarkkabackshall> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:40:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.144.255 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 925389651 139.134.144.255 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:40:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:40:51 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16802 I posted my answer to you against round hives (silly bugger) never mind hope you can find it and hope it is of help. I think the hives are called skeps see ya Anthony Orangerose wrote in article <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com>... > I have some questions considering the history of beekeeping. > > First: how did the classic, dome-shaped beehive work? Did people actually use > them for honey, or just to house pollinators? Did they have some sort of frame > system? > From tarkkabackshall@bigpond.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail From: "A Tarkka" Subject: Re: Round hives Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01be922f$e1765760$LocalHost@tarkkabackshall> Message-ID: <01be923e$951bb040$LocalHost@tarkkabackshall> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:52:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.146.129 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 925390375 139.134.146.129 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:52:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:52:55 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16803 A Tarkka wrote in article <01be922f$e1765760$LocalHost@tarkkabackshall>... > I think the hive's you're refering to are the old straw Skeps > They are placed on a bottom board and the bees build their comb > directly on the inside of the Skep. In order to harvest the honey and wax > the beekeeper had to kill the bees, I think they used sulpher or something. > The comb is pressed to extract the honey. I dont know about the pollination > > side of things though. I know a few Pommie beekeepers and they know > a bit about them, they were very comon in England aparantly. > That's it mate the well is dry, hope someone else can help too > see ya, Anthony. > Ahh bum! I posted this against the wrong thing it was supposed to be the historical question sorry, Anthony. From mfsnkyNOSPAM@mis.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37285624.70DC90F3@mis.net> From: Michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name References: <7g7si6$42j$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990428185855.02371.00000010@ng42.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:52:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.58.39 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 925390519 206.28.58.39 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:55:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:55:19 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16804 >I use the newsgroup reader that came with my AOL 4.0 software. It does not >have a spell-checker, killfile, or address-munging capabilities. Yet one more reason to stay away from AOL. From gardenwrks@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gardenwrks@aol.com (GardenWrks) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cough drops for mites Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1999 15:15:17 GMT References: <37282B90.4ADBB195@se.bel.alcatel.be> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990429111517.15681.00000072@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16805 Welcome Hugo A package of bees is how a beekeeper buys bees from a bee supplier. They come in several sizes, with or without a queen. Standard sizes are 2, 3 and 5 lb. packages in the U.S. About 4,000 bees equals 1 pound. The package is usually a box with screen mesh on two sides for ventilation. The shipper sends a feeding can full of sugar syrup to feed the bees. Neither brood nor comb are provided. The weight of the food and box is not included in measuring the weight of the package -- so if you buy a 3-lb. package of bees, it should hold about 12,000 young bees, maybe a few extra to make up for some die-off in shipment. Hope that answers your question, JM From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tax Advantages Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:21:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37244037.70D61C68@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19990426162135.24088.00001668@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16806 >Are there any tax advantages for keeping Bees? If so, what would they >be? > Hardly ever showing a profit. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Apr 29 23:19:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:59:17 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7g67ip$2b5$3@front1.grolier.fr> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990423014637.15331.00001829@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-1-112.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 925278617 2405 195.36.144.112 (28 Apr 1999 05:50:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 05:50:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16807 Bonjour Hk1BeeMan, I must tell you (friendly) that's quite a brain storm for a french native to decrypt your mess ages, but it's fun anyway. English I tried to learn at school was poorly similar to yours. With you I have to learn more... Sorry for my broken English...! I went through the spellchecker....;-) Amicalement... Popy Hk1BeeMan a écrit dans le message <19990423014637.15331.00001829@ng-cn1.aol.com>... > >>The use of spellcheckers as a standard option might also be a good idea for >>many members! > >As all ya'll know we was here already a few months back, an i ain't opening >that can a worms back up > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:11:14 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925413206 nnrp-13:10899 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16808 In article <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com>, Orangerose writes >First: how did the classic, dome-shaped beehive work? Did people actually use >them for honey, or just to house pollinators? Did they have some sort of frame >system? Yes they were used for honey production. Usually made form wickerwork, or straw and often cloamed (coated with a mixture of clay and cow-dung) to keep out the damp. fitted with hackles (a straw roof that made them look like the old African kraal, or kept on bee-boles , a recess in the wall. There were no frames as such. but a few sticks may have been pushe horizontally through the walls to give the bees a platform from which to start. Fell from use after about 1890, but some were still in use in the 1930s. In those early days I dont think people bothered much with pollinators as such. Either the job got done or .... The honey was gathered by lighting a fire in a pit, noprmally about dusk when the bees had finished flying for the day. Sulpher was spinkled on the hot embers, and the skep held over the fumes. This killed the bees and probably did nothing for the honey. Comb was cut out with special shaped knives, then crushed and presumably strained before use. Much as they still do in the Himalayas today. >Second: >Where did the various mites come from? I know that they were introduced, but >from where? And is it strictly an American problem or do they have them in >Europe, too? Don't they have some sort of predator/population control in their >native environment? Varroa mites came from Java where it crossed from apis dorsita(?) to apis mellifera. Mellifera is not native to the area, so must have been taken there by a beekeeper. Dorsita is a larger bee that can keep the mite under some sort of control by grooming (themselves and each other)when it can maim the mite by biting it. It also has a shorter period where the cells are sealed, leading to fewer mites reaching maturity before the bee emerges. Thats about all I know about it, probably someone else can correct me if Im wrong -- Tom Speight From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!news.idt.net!nyd.news.ans.net!abq.news.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can you claim dead colony as a casualty loss on tax return? Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:48:23 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <37275EAF.9B864F9D@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb103-25.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 925415386 2683093 209.156.120.71 (29 Apr 1999 19:49:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 19:49:46 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16809 In article <37275EAF.9B864F9D@nospam.boeing.com>, "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > --------------45794AD1441FB1506883A4E9 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Group, > > If a beekeeper loses a colony or several colonies due to a disease such > as varroa or something similar, does it qualify as a casualty loss for > income tax purposes? What dollar value would be appropriate for a > healthy, producing colony of bees that crash? Can this be construde as a > natural disaster? Hey... I'm not a tax attorney or even anything more than a NEWBIE beekeeper, but... I am a small business person, and, IMHO... Seems to me such a loss would definitely be a casualty loss. How could it be otherwise, if one is taking deductions for expenses for keeping the bees in the first place, and for setting up the hives, driving to and from them, etc... Must my 2 cents. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From harry@luichartwoollens.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:39:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gacmr$kbd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.benadryl.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 925414939 20845 62.136.54.224 (29 Apr 1999 19:42:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 19:42:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16810 Orangerose wrote in message <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com>... >I have some questions considering the history of beekeeping. > >First: how did the classic, dome-shaped beehive work? Did people actually use >them for honey, or just to house pollinators? Did they have some sort of frame >system? > Do you mean a skep when you refer to dome-shaped beehives? If so then yes they were used for a long time to produce honey. They have no frames the method being to kill the colony over a sulphur pit and then remove the comb. The operation of skep beekeeping is different from beekeeping today in that it relies on the bees swarming to produce new colonies for the following year. It is not a very productive method but it follows the bee's natural life cycle more closely and contrary to popular belief the bees tend to be healthier in skeps than modern hives. Skep beekeeping may have been around for much longer than previously thought. (see http://www.luichartwoollens.freeserve.co.uk From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:36:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372342C8.EE18A1A3@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990426163612.24088.00001677@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16811 >can you track >> if the bees move honey around as the seasons change? how long does spring >syrup >> honey last? can you still see it in the frames in the fall? > Yep i've seen em move it around the brood nest quite a lot as the queen increases laying. Spring syrup has this year lasted only about as long as buildup althouth some is still evident in lower super of some 1 hive body 1 super brood chambers. You still see it year to year in very large hives, uncapped a 9 1/8 in frame this year to get a lil for breakfast on time, dang thing was still bright green honey filled. hehe got quite a suprise once after renting a hive to a lady for her back yard garden, opened the hive for a check ....low and behold there before me was a kalediscope of color....Her son's biology project at Jr College was to see how color affected the syrup intake of humming birds, he never could quite keep it >from leaking. The bees loved it no matter the color !!!! My main concern has been that,I try my best to sell only honey thats made, not fed as in syrup I wont buy adulterated honey and I will never intentionally sell it, If we uncap a frame thats green tinted or polkadoted It goes back to the bees So if I feed only colored syrup, then there's never a question.. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Thu Apr 29 23:19:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:33:52 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7gaj8q$1o3$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 925421658 1795 129.173.88.206 (29 Apr 1999 21:34:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 21:34:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16812 Tom Speight wrote: > > In article <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com>, Orangerose > writes SNIP > >Second: > >Where did the various mites come from? I know that they were introduced, but > >from where? And is it strictly an American problem or do they have them in > >Europe, too? Don't they have some sort of predator/population control in their > >native environment? > Varroa mites came from Java where it crossed from apis dorsita(?) to > apis mellifera. Mellifera is not native to the area, so must have been > taken there by a beekeeper. Dorsita is a larger bee that can keep the > mite under some sort of control by grooming (themselves and each > other)when it can maim the mite by biting it. > It also has a shorter period where the cells are sealed, leading to > fewer mites reaching maturity before the bee emerges. > Thats about all I know about it, probably someone else can correct me if > Im wrong > -- > Tom Speight The Varroa mite was initially a parasite of Apis cerana. Like Apis mellifera this species nests also in cavities. Apis dorsata, the giant honey bee, builts the combs free hanging from branches, cliffs etc. The reason that A. cerana can tolerate the mites is, to my knowledge, the fact that the times of sealed worker and queen brood are to short for the mite to complete their life cycle and they therefore are restricted to the drone brood. Since the mite made it from A. cerana to A. mellifera it is spreading all over the world. In fact it became a problem in Europe in the early 70th. Since the mid 80th the mite is in North America. As far as I know only NS and Australia are free of Varroa. How long? Cheers ulli From Malley@netdoor.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Treatment Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <%b3W2.1458$JC1.81643@axe.netdoor.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:19:47 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.152 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 925417339 208.137.149.152 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:22:19 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:22:19 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16813 Has anyone head of using the cattle ear tags for treating for Varror. My wife works at a chemical lab and one of her co workers told her that someone was using them. Just hang them in the have like a apistan strip. I am nervous to try it I don't have a hive to spare yet. Just a NewBEE Robert From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing Nuc. Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:30:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3D66335F76D26005.9E4C203F5CDEE342.59A8DF6D13F082C5@library-proxy.airnews.net> To: dewitt X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:31:23 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Apr 26 13:35:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust51.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3724CCF5.69FD@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16814 dewitt wrote: > > Next week I will be getting my first hives. As I understand it, by special > arraignment I will be getting two deep hive boxes with 5 frames of bees, a > queen etc. in each. All my equipment is medium sized deeps (except for the > ten frames of deeps and foundation that I have bought especially to fill the > new boxes) Is there any way to get the bees to move from the deeps to the > mediums or is this done over the winter by giving them three or four mediums > to move up to so they abandon the deeps? > > Cliff After the girls pull all the foundation in the deep add a medium on top. If the queen is really active she will move up to expand her brood nest. Then you cankeep her there by reversing the deep and medium. May be a little tricky though because one medium is not enough room. If you have pulled comb it might be wise to use it in two shallows to get her to move up. Don From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:21 EDT 1999 Article: 16815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:39:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1C3F7FFD43A49E89.29FAA000329A4F3F.B9EB68F40A712965@library-proxy.airnews.net> Message-ID: <19990426163958.24088.00001678@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16815 > > ( I use a dark green food coloring in syrup so i >>know where the feed is and the honey is ) > > >I have spent over $150.00 on bee books since the beginning on the year and >have never seen this Idea in any book. I should have saved my money and >bought two BIG JOHNSON'S and someone asked why we don't read t Find an old man to help out, the books of their mind have far more pages than written ones. Oh read the books too, You need the basic background but an old beekeeper say @ 70 yrs young is worth his weight in gold ( just remember to filter the tall tales heheheee ) Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3728C9FE.96713BC7@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment References: <%b3W2.1458$JC1.81643@axe.netdoor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:07:10 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.67.13 X-Trace: news2.atl 925419713 209.214.67.13 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:01:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:01:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16816 How can you get those little things to wear them? I'm not sure mites have ears... ; ) Robert Malley wrote: > Has anyone head of using the cattle ear tags for treating for Varror. My > wife works at a chemical lab and one of her co workers told her that someone > was using them. Just hang them in the have like a apistan strip. I am > nervous to try it I don't have a hive to spare yet. > > Just a NewBEE > Robert From ymbelluso@yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:23 EDT 1999 Article: 16817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.megsinet.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Print job Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <8vZV2.1042$Sc5.4624@news.megsinet.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:55:22 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.81.175.200 X-Trace: news.megsinet.net 925393988 209.81.175.200 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:53:08 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:53:08 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16817 Hi All, I wanted folks to know that I have obtained my extractor images, thanks to one of the folks who follows this post. I did not want anyone to spend their time on an already finished project. mb :-) From heffnerc@nospamsunlink.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:23 EDT 1999 Article: 16818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "chris heffner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <372781CE.14D572D5@pcpostal.com> <3727CB5B.D743EA64@valley.net> Subject: Re: Where's The Brood Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.234.170.50 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925394651 199.234.170.50 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:04:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:04:11 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:02:58 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16818 I may be pretty new at keeping bees but last year when I started I was very intimidated by the bees, and that actually caused me to handle them in a way that agitated them. ie. too quickly as others have said. My bees will let me know when I smoke them too heavy a few will come up and buzz loudly at the bottom of my veil...but they go away in a minute. This year I have gained more confidence and I have not had one problem with them...they are getting easier to work with. I was stung once last year right next to my eye....was my own fault I tried to reach into netting on my veil to kill her before she stung and she flew into my face and stung on contact. If I had to guess I'd say that when you pulled those first 2 or 3 frames you rolled too many bees, and they finally said ok girls let's get' em. Try to give yourself as much room to get that first frame out as you can because after that it's easy. Good luck and don't be afraid of them...also don't waste time examining outer frames that are 1/2 empty if you are looking for brood or queen she won't be there in a new hive. Go to the center. Chris >Gary wrote: > >> Actually there may be brood. the bees get a little annoyed. I smoke them pretty good and >> give them about a minute before I open the hive. Usually by the time I >> get to the second frame quite a few of the bees are flying around and >> two or three really get in my face and act extremely hacked. Its usually >> about this time I decide both the bees and me have had enough. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Restarting a wild colony Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 22:14:18 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <3723545E.CB812974@worldnet.att.net> <7g0m1t$cja$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.70 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:14:59 GMT X-Trace: 925427699.391.9 KRFRRPH9I9846CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16819 Hi, Also, hives in trees, are in trees that are unhealthy . What frequently happens, is that when the tree reaches a certain state of decay, it just can no longer provide protection for the bees . The bees start swarming, for a few years, and then the colony just dies out . You'd best get help for that tree, before you worry about bees . And, it's beginning to get late in the season, to start a new hive, at least so far as local sources where I live are concerned, but it's exactly right, to buy a few books on beekeeping, and get ready for next April first . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/25/99 8:20PM, in message <7g0m1t$cja$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: In article <3723545E.CB812974@worldnet.att.net>, John van Veen wrote: > There was, until last summer a productive bee > colony in the old willow tree in our front > yard. They died out, I assume it was the > epidemic that got them. > > I would like to restart the colony. Is this > sort of thing done? Do I need to fumigate > the nest/hive? Is the epidemic over? Where > do I get bees? > > If sounds like I don't know anything about, > you're right. Don't know squat about bees, > except we gotta have 'em. John, Don't bother starting 'em up in that tree where you cannot effectively help them stay alive - they will die again inside of two years if you do. Rather become a beekeeper and start up 2-3 colonies in regular hives that you can help keep alive (yep not just one). We are not actually having a flare-up and be gone sort of epedemic we have something more akin to an endemic problem and one that is not likely to go away. We do need bees and without beekeepers we ain't gonna have bees. So - become a beekeeper. A bunch of nice folks here will help answer your questions on that subject. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Article Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:35:35 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7g2bsr$art$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990426161513.24088.00001666@ng-ca1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:36:13 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Apr 26 13:45:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust51.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3724CE17.3ABB@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16820 I hived a 4 lb swarm and put apistan on them and covered a Brushy Mtn mite trap with mites in 24 hours. Bet they would have crashed before cotton honey flow. I do have a wild fall swarm that only had three mites show up in a three hour test. Don From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: authors & mentors in our midst Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:12:19 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <37285052.168746335@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <19990429075951.18443.00000003@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925424517 nnrp-13:19494 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16821 In article <19990429075951.18443.00000003@ng-fd1.aol.com>, BeeCrofter writes >I have been working my bees in jeans and a tie dyed T shirt As Groucho would have said, "What were the bees doing in jeans and a T- shirt?" :-) Just couldnt resist that one. -- From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 29 23:19:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:08:09 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ganuq$ucn$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-97.silver.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 925426458 31127 62.136.23.97 (29 Apr 1999 22:54:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 22:54:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16822 Varroa came from Apis Cerana (the Eastern honeybee) not Dorsata (the giant honeybee). Grooming is important but the main reason why Cerana can tolerate the mites is probably because the mites only infest the drone brood - unlike Mellifera where it infests both drone and worker brood. Tom Speight wrote in message ... >>Where did the various mites come from? I know that they were introduced, but >>from where? And is it strictly an American problem or do they have them in >> From jveen@tincan.tincan.org Thu Apr 29 23:19:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!tincan!jveen From: jveen@tincan.tincan.org (John van Veen) Subject: Re-establishing a natural colony Message-ID: <1999Apr23.000951.27303@tincan.tincan.org> Lines: 11 Organization: The Inland Northwest Community Access Network X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:09:51 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16823 There lived in the willow tree in our front yard a productive bee colony. The epidemic wiped them out last year. I would like to restart the colony. Is it enough to introduce a queen and her followers or should the hive be fumigated? Don't know much about this stuff. -- John There must be a famine comming. Why else would so many people From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 29 23:19:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:17:34 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 52 Message-ID: <372904AE.97E86FE0@valley.net> References: <%b3W2.1458$JC1.81643@axe.netdoor.com> <3728C9FE.96713BC7@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-106.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16824 David Lynes wrote: > How can you get those little things to wear them? I'm not sure mites have > ears... ; ) > > Robert Malley wrote: > > > Has anyone head of using the cattle ear tags for treating for Varror. My > > wife works at a chemical lab and one of her co workers told her that someone > > was using them. Just hang them in the have like a apistan strip. I am > > nervous to try it I don't have a hive to spare yet. > > > > Just a NewBEE > > Robert greetings, the only approved pesticides for the treatment of varroa in honeybees [in the u.s.] are fluvalinate [only in apistan strips] and, in some states, coumaphos [only in checkmite bee strips]. these chemicals kill most of the mites while minimally harming the bees. cattle ear tags contain a variety of pyrethroids, synthetic pythrethroids and organophosphate compounds both singly and in combination. these include:cyfluthrin, cypermethrin, chlorpyrifos, piperonyl butoxide, diazinon, stirofos, tetrachlorvinphos, permethrin, pirimiphos, zetacypermethrin, lambdacylothrin and the ever-popular ethion. none of these are registered for use in hives used to produce honey, many of them leave residues and many of them are very fatal to honeybees, while their effectiviness against varroa mites is unknown. some will certianly kill varroa 100%, but at the cost of either 100% elimination of honeybees, contaminated comb/honey, or both. e.g. diazinon [guess my stint with the veterinary drug and treatment division of american cyanamid many moons ago paid off] do yourself a favor, use the legal, registered, accepted pesticides on your bees. hope this helps, bill -- ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From anoji@forensisgroup.com Thu Apr 29 23:19:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Angela Noji Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Removal Expert Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:49:47 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" X-ELN-Date: 30 Apr 1999 00:38:07 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 29 17:45:26 1999 Organization: ForensisGroup, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: anoji@forensisgroup.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pool009-max9.ds6-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Message-ID: <3728FE26.78BCC467@forensisgroup.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16825 We are a company providing expert witness consulting services to attorneys and the insurance industry. At this time, we have a case in which our client needs an expert to address issues involving bee removal and the standards of care in removing bees/beehive. The expert should preferbly own a bee removal service or is employed by such a company. In other words, they want someone with hands on experience in bee removal. The expert should be native to California. Prior expert witness experience is preferred, but not necessary. Please email me at anoji@earthlink.net if you are interested in assisting on this case. Sincerely, Angela Noji From hensler@povn.com Mon May 3 17:25:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees sign Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:35:05 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 37 Message-ID: <372681E9.2EA@povn.com> References: <19990427124122.02995.00000022@ngol04.aol.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp222.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16799 Jajwuth wrote: > > Is it advisable to post signs at the front of your property warning people > of bees if you have bee hives. This would be in case someone wanders > on to your property. Yo Al: There was a thread on one of the dog groups a while back on this subject. Seems like, in some jurisdictions at least, posting signs, having waivers signed, etc. actually can pose a bigger threat for the property owner than it accomplishes. While you *may* gain a psychological advantage in that some folks could assume they have already given up their rights if they are harmed on your property and not press the issue, in fact any attorney worth his/her salt will use such warnings as evidence that you were aware of a potential hazard and didn't take the proper steps to protect the poor innocent victim, if it ever gets to that extreme. This state of affairs seems to be based on common law precedent and would appear to apply to civil, not criminal proceedings. Also, it may be superseded by state/local ordinances and most certainly would not apply in all countries where this group is beamed. In other words, I am *not* an attorney and this info is worth exactly what I'm getting paid to pass it on. :-) However, there could very well be at least a grain of truth involved and it could be money well spent to actually consult a local attorney if you are truly concerned about protecting your butt... Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Mon May 3 17:25:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!Norway.EU.net!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cough drops for mites Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:51:12 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37282B90.4ADBB195@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <7g7u8f$5oi$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990428204829.20970.00000131@ng154.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16800 JMitc1014 wrote: > .... > On the other hand, I've paid $50 or $60 per package of bees including > shipping and I find it awful hard to roll the dice with their survival by not > treating for preventable diseases. ...... How many combs, bees, brood, weight, food, square inches of wax comb , ..., contains one single package of bees ? In other words what is a package of bees ? Hugo (the half a bee) -- Hugo Thone (VE144) |email htho@se.bel.alcatel.be |do bee do bee do ALCATEL TELECOM |phone (32) 3 240 94 52 | (\ F.Wellesplein 1 |fax (32) 3 240 99 49 | {|||8- B-2018 Antwerp | | (/ From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon May 3 17:25:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: authors & mentors in our midst Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1999 11:59:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37285052.168746335@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19990429075951.18443.00000003@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16801 I have been working my bees in jeans and a tie dyed T shirt I am seriously considering tie dyeing a bee suit. Come fall or a dearth I will probably have to resort to a zipper veil suit. IMO how you behave has more bearing than what you wear. Move slow and sure Smoke gently Don't bang things around. On cool mornings tuck your trousers in your socks. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From tarkkabackshall@bigpond.com Mon May 3 17:25:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail From: "A Tarkka" Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01be923c$f1130080$LocalHost@tarkkabackshall> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:40:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.144.255 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 925389651 139.134.144.255 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:40:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:40:51 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16802 I posted my answer to you against round hives (silly bugger) never mind hope you can find it and hope it is of help. I think the hives are called skeps see ya Anthony Orangerose wrote in article <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com>... > I have some questions considering the history of beekeeping. > > First: how did the classic, dome-shaped beehive work? Did people actually use > them for honey, or just to house pollinators? Did they have some sort of frame > system? > From tarkkabackshall@bigpond.com Mon May 3 17:25:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail From: "A Tarkka" Subject: Re: Round hives Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01be922f$e1765760$LocalHost@tarkkabackshall> Message-ID: <01be923e$951bb040$LocalHost@tarkkabackshall> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:52:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.146.129 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 925390375 139.134.146.129 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:52:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:52:55 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16803 A Tarkka wrote in article <01be922f$e1765760$LocalHost@tarkkabackshall>... > I think the hive's you're refering to are the old straw Skeps > They are placed on a bottom board and the bees build their comb > directly on the inside of the Skep. In order to harvest the honey and wax > the beekeeper had to kill the bees, I think they used sulpher or something. > The comb is pressed to extract the honey. I dont know about the pollination > > side of things though. I know a few Pommie beekeepers and they know > a bit about them, they were very comon in England aparantly. > That's it mate the well is dry, hope someone else can help too > see ya, Anthony. > Ahh bum! I posted this against the wrong thing it was supposed to be the historical question sorry, Anthony. From mfsnkyNOSPAM@mis.net Mon May 3 17:25:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37285624.70DC90F3@mis.net> From: Michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name References: <7g7si6$42j$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990428185855.02371.00000010@ng42.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:52:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.58.39 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 925390519 206.28.58.39 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:55:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:55:19 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16804 >I use the newsgroup reader that came with my AOL 4.0 software. It does not >have a spell-checker, killfile, or address-munging capabilities. Yet one more reason to stay away from AOL. From gardenwrks@aol.com Mon May 3 17:25:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gardenwrks@aol.com (GardenWrks) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cough drops for mites Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1999 15:15:17 GMT References: <37282B90.4ADBB195@se.bel.alcatel.be> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990429111517.15681.00000072@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16805 Welcome Hugo A package of bees is how a beekeeper buys bees from a bee supplier. They come in several sizes, with or without a queen. Standard sizes are 2, 3 and 5 lb. packages in the U.S. About 4,000 bees equals 1 pound. The package is usually a box with screen mesh on two sides for ventilation. The shipper sends a feeding can full of sugar syrup to feed the bees. Neither brood nor comb are provided. The weight of the food and box is not included in measuring the weight of the package -- so if you buy a 3-lb. package of bees, it should hold about 12,000 young bees, maybe a few extra to make up for some die-off in shipment. Hope that answers your question, JM From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:25:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tax Advantages Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:21:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <37244037.70D61C68@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19990426162135.24088.00001668@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16806 >Are there any tax advantages for keeping Bees? If so, what would they >be? > Hardly ever showing a profit. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From apipop@club-internet.fr Mon May 3 17:25:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:59:17 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7g67ip$2b5$3@front1.grolier.fr> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990423014637.15331.00001829@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-1-112.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 925278617 2405 195.36.144.112 (28 Apr 1999 05:50:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Apr 1999 05:50:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16807 Bonjour Hk1BeeMan, I must tell you (friendly) that's quite a brain storm for a french native to decrypt your mess ages, but it's fun anyway. English I tried to learn at school was poorly similar to yours. With you I have to learn more... Sorry for my broken English...! I went through the spellchecker....;-) Amicalement... Popy Hk1BeeMan a écrit dans le message <19990423014637.15331.00001829@ng-cn1.aol.com>... > >>The use of spellcheckers as a standard option might also be a good idea for >>many members! > >As all ya'll know we was here already a few months back, an i ain't opening >that can a worms back up > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon May 3 17:25:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:11:14 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925413206 nnrp-13:10899 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16808 In article <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com>, Orangerose writes >First: how did the classic, dome-shaped beehive work? Did people actually use >them for honey, or just to house pollinators? Did they have some sort of frame >system? Yes they were used for honey production. Usually made form wickerwork, or straw and often cloamed (coated with a mixture of clay and cow-dung) to keep out the damp. fitted with hackles (a straw roof that made them look like the old African kraal, or kept on bee-boles , a recess in the wall. There were no frames as such. but a few sticks may have been pushe horizontally through the walls to give the bees a platform from which to start. Fell from use after about 1890, but some were still in use in the 1930s. In those early days I dont think people bothered much with pollinators as such. Either the job got done or .... The honey was gathered by lighting a fire in a pit, noprmally about dusk when the bees had finished flying for the day. Sulpher was spinkled on the hot embers, and the skep held over the fumes. This killed the bees and probably did nothing for the honey. Comb was cut out with special shaped knives, then crushed and presumably strained before use. Much as they still do in the Himalayas today. >Second: >Where did the various mites come from? I know that they were introduced, but >from where? And is it strictly an American problem or do they have them in >Europe, too? Don't they have some sort of predator/population control in their >native environment? Varroa mites came from Java where it crossed from apis dorsita(?) to apis mellifera. Mellifera is not native to the area, so must have been taken there by a beekeeper. Dorsita is a larger bee that can keep the mite under some sort of control by grooming (themselves and each other)when it can maim the mite by biting it. It also has a shorter period where the cells are sealed, leading to fewer mites reaching maturity before the bee emerges. Thats about all I know about it, probably someone else can correct me if Im wrong -- Tom Speight From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon May 3 17:25:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!news.idt.net!nyd.news.ans.net!abq.news.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can you claim dead colony as a casualty loss on tax return? Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:48:23 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <37275EAF.9B864F9D@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb103-25.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 925415386 2683093 209.156.120.71 (29 Apr 1999 19:49:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 19:49:46 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16809 In article <37275EAF.9B864F9D@nospam.boeing.com>, "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > --------------45794AD1441FB1506883A4E9 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Group, > > If a beekeeper loses a colony or several colonies due to a disease such > as varroa or something similar, does it qualify as a casualty loss for > income tax purposes? What dollar value would be appropriate for a > healthy, producing colony of bees that crash? Can this be construde as a > natural disaster? Hey... I'm not a tax attorney or even anything more than a NEWBIE beekeeper, but... I am a small business person, and, IMHO... Seems to me such a loss would definitely be a casualty loss. How could it be otherwise, if one is taking deductions for expenses for keeping the bees in the first place, and for setting up the hives, driving to and from them, etc... Must my 2 cents. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From harry@luichartwoollens.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 3 17:25:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:39:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gacmr$kbd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.benadryl.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 925414939 20845 62.136.54.224 (29 Apr 1999 19:42:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 19:42:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16810 Orangerose wrote in message <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com>... >I have some questions considering the history of beekeeping. > >First: how did the classic, dome-shaped beehive work? Did people actually use >them for honey, or just to house pollinators? Did they have some sort of frame >system? > Do you mean a skep when you refer to dome-shaped beehives? If so then yes they were used for a long time to produce honey. They have no frames the method being to kill the colony over a sulphur pit and then remove the comb. The operation of skep beekeeping is different from beekeeping today in that it relies on the bees swarming to produce new colonies for the following year. It is not a very productive method but it follows the bee's natural life cycle more closely and contrary to popular belief the bees tend to be healthier in skeps than modern hives. Skep beekeeping may have been around for much longer than previously thought. (see http://www.luichartwoollens.freeserve.co.uk From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:25:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:36:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372342C8.EE18A1A3@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990426163612.24088.00001677@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16811 >can you track >> if the bees move honey around as the seasons change? how long does spring >syrup >> honey last? can you still see it in the frames in the fall? > Yep i've seen em move it around the brood nest quite a lot as the queen increases laying. Spring syrup has this year lasted only about as long as buildup althouth some is still evident in lower super of some 1 hive body 1 super brood chambers. You still see it year to year in very large hives, uncapped a 9 1/8 in frame this year to get a lil for breakfast on time, dang thing was still bright green honey filled. hehe got quite a suprise once after renting a hive to a lady for her back yard garden, opened the hive for a check ....low and behold there before me was a kalediscope of color....Her son's biology project at Jr College was to see how color affected the syrup intake of humming birds, he never could quite keep it >from leaking. The bees loved it no matter the color !!!! My main concern has been that,I try my best to sell only honey thats made, not fed as in syrup I wont buy adulterated honey and I will never intentionally sell it, If we uncap a frame thats green tinted or polkadoted It goes back to the bees So if I feed only colored syrup, then there's never a question.. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From uhoger@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Mon May 3 17:25:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:33:52 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7gaj8q$1o3$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 925421658 1795 129.173.88.206 (29 Apr 1999 21:34:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 21:34:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16812 Tom Speight wrote: > > In article <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com>, Orangerose > writes SNIP > >Second: > >Where did the various mites come from? I know that they were introduced, but > >from where? And is it strictly an American problem or do they have them in > >Europe, too? Don't they have some sort of predator/population control in their > >native environment? > Varroa mites came from Java where it crossed from apis dorsita(?) to > apis mellifera. Mellifera is not native to the area, so must have been > taken there by a beekeeper. Dorsita is a larger bee that can keep the > mite under some sort of control by grooming (themselves and each > other)when it can maim the mite by biting it. > It also has a shorter period where the cells are sealed, leading to > fewer mites reaching maturity before the bee emerges. > Thats about all I know about it, probably someone else can correct me if > Im wrong > -- > Tom Speight The Varroa mite was initially a parasite of Apis cerana. Like Apis mellifera this species nests also in cavities. Apis dorsata, the giant honey bee, builts the combs free hanging from branches, cliffs etc. The reason that A. cerana can tolerate the mites is, to my knowledge, the fact that the times of sealed worker and queen brood are to short for the mite to complete their life cycle and they therefore are restricted to the drone brood. Since the mite made it from A. cerana to A. mellifera it is spreading all over the world. In fact it became a problem in Europe in the early 70th. Since the mid 80th the mite is in North America. As far as I know only NS and Australia are free of Varroa. How long? Cheers ulli From Malley@netdoor.com Mon May 3 17:25:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Treatment Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <%b3W2.1458$JC1.81643@axe.netdoor.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:19:47 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.152 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 925417339 208.137.149.152 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:22:19 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:22:19 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16813 Has anyone head of using the cattle ear tags for treating for Varror. My wife works at a chemical lab and one of her co workers told her that someone was using them. Just hang them in the have like a apistan strip. I am nervous to try it I don't have a hive to spare yet. Just a NewBEE Robert From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon May 3 17:25:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Installing Nuc. Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:30:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3D66335F76D26005.9E4C203F5CDEE342.59A8DF6D13F082C5@library-proxy.airnews.net> To: dewitt X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:31:23 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Apr 26 13:35:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust51.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3724CCF5.69FD@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16814 dewitt wrote: > > Next week I will be getting my first hives. As I understand it, by special > arraignment I will be getting two deep hive boxes with 5 frames of bees, a > queen etc. in each. All my equipment is medium sized deeps (except for the > ten frames of deeps and foundation that I have bought especially to fill the > new boxes) Is there any way to get the bees to move from the deeps to the > mediums or is this done over the winter by giving them three or four mediums > to move up to so they abandon the deeps? > > Cliff After the girls pull all the foundation in the deep add a medium on top. If the queen is really active she will move up to expand her brood nest. Then you cankeep her there by reversing the deep and medium. May be a little tricky though because one medium is not enough room. If you have pulled comb it might be wise to use it in two shallows to get her to move up. Don From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:25:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:39:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1C3F7FFD43A49E89.29FAA000329A4F3F.B9EB68F40A712965@library-proxy.airnews.net> Message-ID: <19990426163958.24088.00001678@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16815 > > ( I use a dark green food coloring in syrup so i >>know where the feed is and the honey is ) > > >I have spent over $150.00 on bee books since the beginning on the year and >have never seen this Idea in any book. I should have saved my money and >bought two BIG JOHNSON'S and someone asked why we don't read t Find an old man to help out, the books of their mind have far more pages than written ones. Oh read the books too, You need the basic background but an old beekeeper say @ 70 yrs young is worth his weight in gold ( just remember to filter the tall tales heheheee ) Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Mon May 3 17:25:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3728C9FE.96713BC7@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment References: <%b3W2.1458$JC1.81643@axe.netdoor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:07:10 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.67.13 X-Trace: news2.atl 925419713 209.214.67.13 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:01:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:01:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16816 How can you get those little things to wear them? I'm not sure mites have ears... ; ) Robert Malley wrote: > Has anyone head of using the cattle ear tags for treating for Varror. My > wife works at a chemical lab and one of her co workers told her that someone > was using them. Just hang them in the have like a apistan strip. I am > nervous to try it I don't have a hive to spare yet. > > Just a NewBEE > Robert From ymbelluso@yahoo.com Mon May 3 17:25:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.megsinet.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Print job Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <8vZV2.1042$Sc5.4624@news.megsinet.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:55:22 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.81.175.200 X-Trace: news.megsinet.net 925393988 209.81.175.200 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:53:08 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:53:08 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16817 Hi All, I wanted folks to know that I have obtained my extractor images, thanks to one of the folks who follows this post. I did not want anyone to spend their time on an already finished project. mb :-) From heffnerc@nospamsunlink.net Mon May 3 17:25:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "chris heffner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <372781CE.14D572D5@pcpostal.com> <3727CB5B.D743EA64@valley.net> Subject: Re: Where's The Brood Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.234.170.50 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 925394651 199.234.170.50 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:04:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:04:11 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:02:58 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16818 I may be pretty new at keeping bees but last year when I started I was very intimidated by the bees, and that actually caused me to handle them in a way that agitated them. ie. too quickly as others have said. My bees will let me know when I smoke them too heavy a few will come up and buzz loudly at the bottom of my veil...but they go away in a minute. This year I have gained more confidence and I have not had one problem with them...they are getting easier to work with. I was stung once last year right next to my eye....was my own fault I tried to reach into netting on my veil to kill her before she stung and she flew into my face and stung on contact. If I had to guess I'd say that when you pulled those first 2 or 3 frames you rolled too many bees, and they finally said ok girls let's get' em. Try to give yourself as much room to get that first frame out as you can because after that it's easy. Good luck and don't be afraid of them...also don't waste time examining outer frames that are 1/2 empty if you are looking for brood or queen she won't be there in a new hive. Go to the center. Chris >Gary wrote: > >> Actually there may be brood. the bees get a little annoyed. I smoke them pretty good and >> give them about a minute before I open the hive. Usually by the time I >> get to the second frame quite a few of the bees are flying around and >> two or three really get in my face and act extremely hacked. Its usually >> about this time I decide both the bees and me have had enough. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon May 3 17:25:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Restarting a wild colony Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 22:14:18 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <3723545E.CB812974@worldnet.att.net> <7g0m1t$cja$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.70 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:14:59 GMT X-Trace: 925427699.391.9 KRFRRPH9I9846CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16819 Hi, Also, hives in trees, are in trees that are unhealthy . What frequently happens, is that when the tree reaches a certain state of decay, it just can no longer provide protection for the bees . The bees start swarming, for a few years, and then the colony just dies out . You'd best get help for that tree, before you worry about bees . And, it's beginning to get late in the season, to start a new hive, at least so far as local sources where I live are concerned, but it's exactly right, to buy a few books on beekeeping, and get ready for next April first . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/25/99 8:20PM, in message <7g0m1t$cja$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: In article <3723545E.CB812974@worldnet.att.net>, John van Veen wrote: > There was, until last summer a productive bee > colony in the old willow tree in our front > yard. They died out, I assume it was the > epidemic that got them. > > I would like to restart the colony. Is this > sort of thing done? Do I need to fumigate > the nest/hive? Is the epidemic over? Where > do I get bees? > > If sounds like I don't know anything about, > you're right. Don't know squat about bees, > except we gotta have 'em. John, Don't bother starting 'em up in that tree where you cannot effectively help them stay alive - they will die again inside of two years if you do. Rather become a beekeeper and start up 2-3 colonies in regular hives that you can help keep alive (yep not just one). We are not actually having a flare-up and be gone sort of epedemic we have something more akin to an endemic problem and one that is not likely to go away. We do need bees and without beekeepers we ain't gonna have bees. So - become a beekeeper. A bunch of nice folks here will help answer your questions on that subject. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon May 3 17:25:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Article Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:35:35 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7g2bsr$art$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990426161513.24088.00001666@ng-ca1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Apr 1999 20:36:13 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Apr 26 13:45:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust51.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3724CE17.3ABB@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16820 I hived a 4 lb swarm and put apistan on them and covered a Brushy Mtn mite trap with mites in 24 hours. Bet they would have crashed before cotton honey flow. I do have a wild fall swarm that only had three mites show up in a three hour test. Don From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon May 3 17:25:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: authors & mentors in our midst Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:12:19 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <37285052.168746335@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <19990429075951.18443.00000003@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925424517 nnrp-13:19494 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16821 In article <19990429075951.18443.00000003@ng-fd1.aol.com>, BeeCrofter writes >I have been working my bees in jeans and a tie dyed T shirt As Groucho would have said, "What were the bees doing in jeans and a T- shirt?" :-) Just couldnt resist that one. -- From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 3 17:25:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:08:09 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ganuq$ucn$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-97.silver.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 925426458 31127 62.136.23.97 (29 Apr 1999 22:54:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 22:54:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16822 Varroa came from Apis Cerana (the Eastern honeybee) not Dorsata (the giant honeybee). Grooming is important but the main reason why Cerana can tolerate the mites is probably because the mites only infest the drone brood - unlike Mellifera where it infests both drone and worker brood. Tom Speight wrote in message ... >>Where did the various mites come from? I know that they were introduced, but >>from where? And is it strictly an American problem or do they have them in >> From jveen@tincan.tincan.org Mon May 3 17:25:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!tincan!jveen From: jveen@tincan.tincan.org (John van Veen) Subject: Re-establishing a natural colony Message-ID: <1999Apr23.000951.27303@tincan.tincan.org> Lines: 11 Organization: The Inland Northwest Community Access Network X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:09:51 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16823 There lived in the willow tree in our front yard a productive bee colony. The epidemic wiped them out last year. I would like to restart the colony. Is it enough to introduce a queen and her followers or should the hive be fumigated? Don't know much about this stuff. -- John There must be a famine comming. Why else would so many people From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon May 3 17:25:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:17:34 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 52 Message-ID: <372904AE.97E86FE0@valley.net> References: <%b3W2.1458$JC1.81643@axe.netdoor.com> <3728C9FE.96713BC7@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-106.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16824 David Lynes wrote: > How can you get those little things to wear them? I'm not sure mites have > ears... ; ) > > Robert Malley wrote: > > > Has anyone head of using the cattle ear tags for treating for Varror. My > > wife works at a chemical lab and one of her co workers told her that someone > > was using them. Just hang them in the have like a apistan strip. I am > > nervous to try it I don't have a hive to spare yet. > > > > Just a NewBEE > > Robert greetings, the only approved pesticides for the treatment of varroa in honeybees [in the u.s.] are fluvalinate [only in apistan strips] and, in some states, coumaphos [only in checkmite bee strips]. these chemicals kill most of the mites while minimally harming the bees. cattle ear tags contain a variety of pyrethroids, synthetic pythrethroids and organophosphate compounds both singly and in combination. these include:cyfluthrin, cypermethrin, chlorpyrifos, piperonyl butoxide, diazinon, stirofos, tetrachlorvinphos, permethrin, pirimiphos, zetacypermethrin, lambdacylothrin and the ever-popular ethion. none of these are registered for use in hives used to produce honey, many of them leave residues and many of them are very fatal to honeybees, while their effectiviness against varroa mites is unknown. some will certianly kill varroa 100%, but at the cost of either 100% elimination of honeybees, contaminated comb/honey, or both. e.g. diazinon [guess my stint with the veterinary drug and treatment division of american cyanamid many moons ago paid off] do yourself a favor, use the legal, registered, accepted pesticides on your bees. hope this helps, bill -- ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From anoji@forensisgroup.com Mon May 3 17:25:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Angela Noji Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Removal Expert Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:49:47 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" X-ELN-Date: 30 Apr 1999 00:38:07 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 29 17:45:26 1999 Organization: ForensisGroup, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: anoji@forensisgroup.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pool009-max9.ds6-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Message-ID: <3728FE26.78BCC467@forensisgroup.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16825 We are a company providing expert witness consulting services to attorneys and the insurance industry. At this time, we have a case in which our client needs an expert to address issues involving bee removal and the standards of care in removing bees/beehive. The expert should preferbly own a bee removal service or is employed by such a company. In other words, they want someone with hands on experience in bee removal. The expert should be native to California. Prior expert witness experience is preferred, but not necessary. Please email me at anoji@earthlink.net if you are interested in assisting on this case. Sincerely, Angela Noji From dsmithbee@my-dejanews.com Mon May 3 17:25:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: dsmithbee@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can you claim dead colony as a casualty loss on tax return? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:28:00 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7gb0ut$jou$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <37275EAF.9B864F9D@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.207.255.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 30 01:28:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.207.255.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16826 > > Group, > > > > If a beekeeper loses a colony or several colonies due to a disease such > > as varroa or something similar, does it qualify as a casualty loss for > > income tax purposes? What dollar value would be appropriate for a > > healthy, producing colony of bees that crash? Can this be construde as a > > natural disaster? > > Hey... I'm not a tax attorney or even anything more than a NEWBIE > beekeeper, but... I am a small business person, and, IMHO... > > Seems to me such a loss would definitely be a casualty loss. How could it > be otherwise, if one is taking deductions for expenses for keeping the > bees in the first place, and for setting up the hives, driving to and from > them, etc... > > Must my 2 cents. > Well, I am a first year beekeeper but I have been a CPA for a while (although I no longer do personal tax returns). The loss of a hive would probably be ok as a casualty loss, however, the casualty loss rules require that the loss be greater than 10% of your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI)and it is subject to a deductible of $100 per occurance. In other words, you would have to lose a lot of hives or be really poor! Hope this helps. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From allend@internode.net Mon May 3 17:25:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fairview College Beekeeping Course Closed Down Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:24:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7gb7of$p72$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19990427201934.18231.00000087@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 30 03:24:01 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x8.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16827 > I looked at their web page particularly their "yukon project". > I wanted to get more information about it but their e-mail address seems to > be inoperative. does anybody know anything about this project Well, I don't know about the project other than that I scanned the pictures in and made up the website from what Denis gave me. I do have some really bad news, though. This year's Fairview College Beekeeping Technician course will have been the last. Fairview College has cancelled the course. Following is a link to the Grande Prairie Herald-Tribune report on this cut: http://www.bowesnet.com/DHT/Z09_ba15review.html I don't know how long they keep articles up, so read it today. allen ---- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon May 3 17:25:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do I wire frames ? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 01:46:18 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.104 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:47:00 GMT X-Trace: 925440420.210.35 KRFRRPH9I1C68CF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16828 Hi, Without going through a blood pressure crisis . Thank-you, Ken . From slanham@bridge.com Mon May 3 17:25:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!usenet.bridge.com!not-for-mail From: "steve" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I saw a swarm!! Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:02:33 -0500 Organization: bridge Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7gbklb$l4g$1@usenet.bridge.com> Reply-To: "steve" NNTP-Posting-Host: 167.76.16.10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16829 Hi I am a lurker without any bees this is because my wife is highly allergic and more importantly terrified of bees. Well today we had a swarm in the backyard I called the local beekeeping association and a beekeeper came out and got the swarm. Much to my total amazement by the time the kind gent and his wife had the bees in a box my wife was less than five feet away and was being told how much the danger of bees was overrated! She has relented and next year went we have moved out to the country she will let me keep BEES! It just goes to show you how we fear what we don't understand more than we can ever fear the reality. -- Why be normal its been done! From alan@shadforth.u-net.com Mon May 3 17:25:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!newsr2.u-net.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: alan@shadforth.u-net.com (Alan Craig) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Reply-To: alan@shadforth.u-net.com Message-ID: <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:01:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.102.197.170 X-Complaints-To: news@u-net.net X-Trace: newsr2.u-net.net 925462969 195.102.197.170 (Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:02:49 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:02:49 BST Organization: (Posted via) U-NET Internet Ltd. Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16830 On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:31:56 -0400, James Lindstrom wrote: >Jajwuth wrote: >> >> does anybody know where I can purchase a wbc hive >> >> thank you >> >> all > >The only source I have found is the BeeWorks in Cabnada and they are >simply reselling materials from Thornes in England. Thornes will ship, although it might turn out to be expensive. I can't tell where you are from your address, but assuming North America, my current Thorne's catalogue says: WBC (flat pack) Complete (inc frames + foundation + queen excluder) £188.70 + £82.70 p&p = £271.40 ~= $450 WBC (flat pack) empty £158.83 + £82.70 p&p = £241.53 ~= $400 They're on the web at http://www.thorne.co.uk Alan From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon May 3 17:25:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I saw a swarm!! Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 08:15:08 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <7gbklb$l4g$1@usenet.bridge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.82 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:15:53 GMT X-Trace: 925463753.931.97 KRFRRPH9I9852CE81C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16831 Hi, I'm a big fan of the bee suit, as a psychological prop . Several people I'm acquainted with, were more than a little leery of bees, but when they got a bee suit on, and got to watch them being worked, they became comfortable, and even a bit arrogant about it . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/30/99 12:02AM, in message <7gbklb$l4g$1@usenet.bridge.com>, "steve" wrote: Hi I am a lurker without any bees this is because my wife is highly allergic and more importantly terrified of bees. Well today we had a swarm in the backyard I called the local beekeeping association and a beekeeper came out and got the swarm. Much to my total amazement by the time the kind gent and his wife had the bees in a box my wife was less than five feet away and was being told how much the danger of bees was overrated! She has relented and next year went we have moved out to the country she will let me keep BEES! It just goes to show you how we fear what we don't understand more than we can ever fear the reality. -- Why be normal its been done! From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon May 3 17:25:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: Re: marriage wanted3 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 08:33:29 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <7fcj1l$ld4@netnews.hinet.net> <7fhp8t$usd$1@camel21.mindspring.com> <7fnbar$g3l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.82 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:34:15 GMT X-Trace: 925464855.127.97 KRFRRPH9I9852CE81C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:34071 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16832 sci.agriculture.fruit:2697 sci.agriculture.poultry:9499 Hi, Now there's one thing we don't have to worry about ... somebody "molesting" our worker bees . Though, come to think of it, maybe I'd-oughta look into some "Clinton - Keep - Out" Signs . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/22/99 8:49AM, in message , Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: In article <7fnbar$g3l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, pomponio1313@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In some states (I won't mention them), it (sheep molestation) is legal, > provided that a) the sheep is an adult and 2) the sheep is not a blood kin to > the molester. There are, of course, exemptions (ex legis molestus sheepus) > that can be claimed for #2 for isolated mountain communities or certain > religious groups. Also IRS regulation A343966-34-43434 specifies you can > claim the sheep as a dependent up to adulthood if a) the sheep is attending > school in an accredited college or b) it is a disabled dependent on SSI > (thats another set of regulations). The IRS lets you fill out form > 49659-4545545-2423 (at thirty pages long, it is one of their most concise) to > achieve all this. Thought you all would like to know. ROTFL!!! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From cross@pcpostal.com Mon May 3 17:25:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3728F54B.E309F19A@pcpostal.com> From: Gary X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's The Brood References: <372781CE.14D572D5@pcpostal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 X-Trace: /KtlGRCDWdzTDjP5ySPDf2fVqZUI0jZyp/JJ3yCAcqYaJrfnB+95l01vld6+sVZvMtnkcVmpCWJz!kg8Tykbaa7lxf2jvQr5yKr1O+AVj3g1t0fUM6KARRCzqqhwdLpAVmP4ceIw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:17:33 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:17:33 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16833 Thanks for all the great help! Gary wrote: > Actually there may be brood. > I received my 2 packages of bees 3 1/2 weeks ago. Everything appears to > be going ok. However whenever I open either hive, which I have done > twice now, the bees get a little annoyed. I smoke them pretty good and > give them about a minute before I open the hive. Usually by the time I > get to the second frame quite a few of the bees are flying around and > two or three really get in my face and act extremely hacked. Its usually > about this time I decide both the bees and me have had enough. As a > result I have not found the queen or any brood in the frames I have > checked, I always start on the outer most frame and work in, maybe I > should start in the center. I do find bees bearing pollen though. Does > this mean there is likely brood present? Next time I open the hive I > plan to stick with it and check all the frames. From adamf@vt.edu Mon May 3 17:25:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Virgin Queen Conflict (was Re: Newsgroup Name) Date: 30 Apr 1999 06:14:40 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7gbhog$6fm$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <3720B58E.2727@earthlink.net> <7fun73$b2l$1@golux.radix.net> <7g7si5$42j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a4.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16834 In article <7g7si5$42j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards wrote: > >With regard to your question about the swarms with multiple virgins, I have >found this on a number of occasions - last year I removed one that was one >wrapped around the base of a tree at Holy Trinity church (where Shakespeare >is buried) that had five queens; my wife had great difficulty explaining >what was going on to the inevitable group of Japanese tourists! > >I have never found dead queens beneath the swarm ('did you look?' you might >ask) but have often found dead ones when transferring the swarm from skep to >hive - so my unscientific guess is that they fight after they have found >what appears to be a permanent home, in this case the skep. Hi. Thanks-- this is interesting information. Another question then, is why do the queens/virgins remain together in the swarm, but fight in an established nest site? What is different in a swarm than in a newly established colony? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Mon May 3 17:25:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin Queen Conflict (was Re: Newsgroup Name) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:18:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7gc12e$emn$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <3720B58E.2727@earthlink.net> <7fun73$b2l$1@golux.radix.net> <7g7si5$42j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7gbhog$6fm$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16835 adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >Hi. Thanks-- this is interesting information. Another question then, is why >do the queens/virgins remain together in the swarm, but fight in an >established nest site? What is different in a swarm than in a newly >established colony? >Adam I had a colony with two queens in it. They would lay side by side and pay no attention to one another. They coexisted for a year in the same hive. In the early spring one was laying on one side of the comb and the other laid an identical patch on the other side. This is the only colony I have seen where two queens got along so well. I had one other colony where a queen was laying in the top of the hive and another was laying a brood cluster in the bottom. When the two clusters met one queen had to go. You can never say anything is certain when it comes to bees. I haven't seen it all yet, but I am still looking. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From harrisonrw@aol.com Mon May 3 17:25:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 11:07:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990430070735.14226.00000410@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16836 >Well Newbees, Thats a night in the life of a beekeeper. On the flip side of the coin while Kevin was dealing with his tipped over hives and chilled brood. Here along the southwestern coast of Connecticut it was a beautiful night. The temp was around 45 degrees with a bright full moon with no wind. I had the wife help me load some hives from the back yard into the van. I was moving some of my bees into a orchard along the Housatonic River where the apple trees have just started to bloom. After doing all of the donkey work of setting the hives up I just took about five minutes and sat down at the base of a big of poplar tree and kiched back for five minutes and enjoyed the view. A bright full moon over a orchard along side the river on a still spring evening. At times like this life doesn't get any better. One of the additional benefits of beekeeping. As we all know when beekeeping is bad it is really bad and when it is good it is really good. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association From euroxboy@aol.com Mon May 3 17:25:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: euroxboy@aol.com (EuroXboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's The Brood Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1999 03:06:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372781CE.14D572D5@pcpostal.com> Message-ID: <19990428230621.18534.00000149@ng69.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16837 Maybe you're smoking them too much. I usually give about 5 hives a couple puffs then work my way through them before I give another batch smoke. Consider how (if you're a non-cigerette smoker) when you enter a room where smokers are, or how it smells when someone lights up, you definately notice it. Bee's sence of smell is 100 times more sinsetive than ours so just a small amout of smoke will allert the hive. This morning I was out pulling off hivetop feeders and never used smoke. just wearing my regular clothes. I had to gently move some bees around and out and off the feeders, unfortunatily I didn't get stung, haven't been stung since last September I think. The trick is to go slow and they will let you manuver them a lot without getting to excited. Keith Amberson Amberson Farms Everett WA USA From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Mon May 3 17:25:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3727D4D8.385B75C3@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's The Brood References: <372781CE.14D572D5@pcpostal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:41:12 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.73.201 X-Trace: news3.atl 925356959 209.214.73.201 (Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:35:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:35:59 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16838 Hey Gary Temper my thoughts with the knowledge that until this season, I have been absent from beekeeping for 22 years. But on my hives (4), all collected from swarms this year, I find I am readily accepted by the bees as long as I move methodically and slow. I find that the bees accept me better without any smoke. I have used a spray bottle with a sugar water, but even that seems a waste of time now. I just stand by the hive, watching the bees come and go, then after a few minutes, open it up and start working.... Just a suggestion. Try slow and no smoke once. If they are buzzing you anyway, why bother? Gary wrote: > Actually there may be brood. > I received my 2 packages of bees 3 1/2 weeks ago. Everything appears to > be going ok. However whenever I open either hive, which I have done > twice now, the bees get a little annoyed. I smoke them pretty good and > give them about a minute before I open the hive. Usually by the time I > get to the second frame quite a few of the bees are flying around and > two or three really get in my face and act extremely hacked. Its usually > about this time I decide both the bees and me have had enough. As a > result I have not found the queen or any brood in the frames I have > checked, I always start on the outer most frame and work in, maybe I > should start in the center. I do find bees bearing pollen though. Does > this mean there is likely brood present? Next time I open the hive I > plan to stick with it and check all the frames. From pollinator@aol.com Mon May 3 17:25:59 EDT 1999 Article: 16839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin Queen Conflict (was Re: Newsgroup Name) Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 12:31:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gbhog$6fm$1@golux.radix.net> Message-ID: <19990430083146.22974.00000463@ng139.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16839 >Hi. Thanks-- this is interesting information. Another question then, is why >do the queens/virgins remain together in the swarm, but fight in an >established nest site? What is different in a swarm than in a newly >established colony? I can't answer that, but we do know that a different "psycology" rules in a swarm, evidenced by the fact that you can move a swarm twenty or thirty feet, and the bees will reorient immediately, whereas an established colony will get confused. Very few bees will even return to the parent colony. But that begs the question too. Last fall I combined two colonies. This is general practice when the cluster is too small to overwinter, but usually I kill one queen. This time I apparently could not find the queens, or was pushed for time. Generally I do in the poor queen, but the other is supposed to be a good one. This spring I found both queens on opposite sides of the same frame. One was chalky so I eliminated her. The other was not a really great queen either, but I didn't have a replacement. The next time through, I killed her and gave them a cell and a frame of sealed brood. Perhaps the bees "realized" that both queens were weak, and their only chance for survival was to keep them both laying..... Bees may well be smarter than we think. A friend hived a swarm, and temporarily left the hive in a dry creek bed, intending to move them that evening. He even gave them a frame of honey. The bees absconded, and my friend swears they knew they would be in danger (from flooding) at that site. Who knows? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:00 EDT 1999 Article: 16840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I wire frames ? Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 13:15:29 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990430091529.07592.00000256@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16840 In article , stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Ken) writes: > Without going through a blood pressure >crisis . I've wired thousands, but stopped doing it years ago, because I don't have enough lifetimes to wire all my frames. If you *really* want to know I can tell you how. I switched to Duragilt because it pops into the frame in a couple seconds, with no muss of fuss, and have been using it for years. Yet I was not entirely happy. If you try to extract deep frames of Duragilt on the first crop, a lot of them will collapse. You almost have to use them as brood frames a few times to toughen them, before using them in a super. Further, when the bees glue the bottom bar down, and you pull a frame, they would often bow just enough to get the edge of the Duragilt out of the groove, then the foundation would bow in the frame. If you didn't notice and fix it at once, you'd have a ruined frame, with a big patch of open plastic on one side. The "saving grace" was that you could pop it out, clean the groove a bit, and pop in a new sheet. Okay, here's the big news. This spring I have been converted! I have always hated the Pierco plastic frames. The bees just wouldn't draw them worth a darn, and the frames got brittle in the cold. Well, they've come up with a new product that has broken down all my (frequently voiced) objections to plastic. Another beekeeper got me to try the new deep cell Rite-cell plastic foundation from Mann Lake, in wooden frames. Wow! The bees can't wait to get at it. I have fallen in love! I am gradually going to convert my whole operation to the new medium. Wired frames are going to the museum. So will Duragilt (sorry Dadant!). I'm going to use up my present stock, and use out their normal lives, but these new Rite-Cell's are gonna be the standard new one from now on. I haven't really given them years of testing yet, but it appears to me that this is the most indestructable medium yet. I betcha wax worms and afrobeetles won't be able to damage it! Ummmmmm.....say Mann Lake.....how many sheets could I get for giving this testimonial? Actually, I have no financial interest in them (I hasten to say). Now I have a question. I have been popping off the corners for the communication hole. How important is this? If the holes are really necessary, why not manufacture them that way to begin, rather than perforate them to make it optional? Allen? I think you mentioned you went to these last year, didn't you. At the time, I was so convinced I wouldn't try them. I had to be shown. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin Queen Conflict (was Re: Newsgroup Name) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 13:15:31 GMT References: <7g7k0t$2a2$1@golux.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990430091531.07592.00000258@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16841 In article <7g7k0t$2a2$1@golux.radix.net>, adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) writes: >I and others have observed virgins kill other virgins. However, as your Son >observed, sometimes they will fight, and sometimes they won't. > >Has anyone seen a swarm with more than one queen in it? Maybe mixed queen >/virgin? > A friend and I once hived a humungous swarm with three mated queens, and about 18 virgins. We made up three hives with them, and gave all the virgins to nucs. Obviously three swarms had merged, which wasn't so surprising. What was surprising was the number of virgins. I have often seen a couple virgins in a swarm. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:01 EDT 1999 Article: 16842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and the color blue? Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 13:15:30 GMT References: <925252271.372.34@news.remarQ.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990430091530.07592.00000257@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16842 In article <925252271.372.34@news.remarQ.com>, "Dave Marple" writes: >I read in...I believe it was A.I. Root...that honeybees did not particularly >like the color blue. Then read in Sue Hubbell's book that they are >preferential to blue, and its not a bad idea to paint your hives different >colors because field bees can distinguish their hive and colony better when >returning to the hive. Is there any truth to this color thing with bees, or >is it just folklore? A number of honeybee-preferred flowers are blue. Very few red flowers are visited by bees, though I recall one time I mentioned this to someone, only to have him spot a bee on a red flower a moment later. It is absolutely a good idea to paint hives various colors. It does help the bees orient, and, if neutral colors are used, helps keep the hives from standing out. A hive that is not noticed is less likely to be vandalized. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon May 3 17:26:02 EDT 1999 Article: 16843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:26:34 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb107-01.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 925482482 2683093 209.156.120.231 (30 Apr 1999 14:28:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 1999 14:28:02 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16843 In article <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > Well Newbees, Thats a night in the life of a beekeeper. And after all is said > and done and I'm sittin here in a pair a wet drawers soaked to the skin warming > my feet under a tired ol Bassett hound with a kitten trying to nurse from him, > I guess that the only thing Left to say is......We sure did need the rain. > > Good night to you and yours and May The Good Lord Take a Liking to Ya ! Sad tale, Big J, but wonderfully told... ...makes me miss North Carolina. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From pollinator@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 14:44:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990430104445.07169.00000524@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16844 From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) >I had a protective suit on, but, as I would try to get a good look through >the viewfinder of my camera, which was COVERED with bees, I unwittingly >pressed the protective veil against the tip of my nose. > >Of course I had no idea I was compromising the effectiveness of the veil, >and was surprised as hell by the sting. > >The shoot ended at that point. > >The beekeepers laughed their asses off at me... saying there's only ONE >PLACE on yer body that's worse to get stung. I'd actually think there >would be two, one being the eyelid, and the other being the obvious. Eyeball? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon May 3 17:26:03 EDT 1999 Article: 16845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:22:44 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: clspb107-01.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 925482252 2683093 209.156.120.231 (30 Apr 1999 14:24:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 1999 14:24:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16845 In article <7gbe4p$u7a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, kamene@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > last time i went to my hives wearing black trousers the bees headed straight > for them and I got stung through the fabric ... I'm a professional photographer, and had a job shooting a couple guys working hives in Phoenix, AZ, a few weeks ago. There were about 50 hives altogether beside a lemon orchard. I quickly learned that bees don't like black, the colour of my cameras, and both I and my equipment were pretty immediately covered with very aggressive bees. I had a protective suit on, but, as I would try to get a good look through the viewfinder of my camera, which was COVERED with bees, I unwittingly pressed the protective veil against the tip of my nose. Of course I had no idea I was compromising the effectiveness of the veil, and was surprised as hell by the sting. The shoot ended at that point. The beekeepers laughed their asses off at me... saying there's only ONE PLACE on yer body that's worse to get stung. I'd actually think there would be two, one being the eyelid, and the other being the obvious. ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From Malley@netdoor.com Mon May 3 17:26:04 EDT 1999 Article: 16846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.137.128.19!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <%b3W2.1458$JC1.81643@axe.netdoor.com> <3728C9FE.96713BC7@bellsouth.net> <372904AE.97E86FE0@valley.net> Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment Lines: 76 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:04:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.126 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 925484823 208.137.149.126 (Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:07:03 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:07:03 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16846 Thank you Bill I will take your advice. and not use the ear tags. Is the use of mineral oil considered illegal. Robert Bill Greenrose wrote in message <372904AE.97E86FE0@valley.net>... > > >David Lynes wrote: > >> How can you get those little things to wear them? I'm not sure mites have >> ears... ; ) >> >> Robert Malley wrote: >> >> > Has anyone head of using the cattle ear tags for treating for Varror. My >> > wife works at a chemical lab and one of her co workers told her that someone >> > was using them. Just hang them in the have like a apistan strip. I am >> > nervous to try it I don't have a hive to spare yet. >> > >> > Just a NewBEE >> > Robert > >greetings, > >the only approved pesticides for the treatment of varroa in honeybees [in the >u.s.] are fluvalinate [only in apistan strips] and, in some states, coumaphos >[only in checkmite bee strips]. these chemicals kill most of the mites while >minimally harming the bees. > >cattle ear tags contain a variety of pyrethroids, synthetic pythrethroids and >organophosphate compounds both singly and in combination. these >include:cyfluthrin, cypermethrin, chlorpyrifos, piperonyl butoxide, diazinon, >stirofos, tetrachlorvinphos, permethrin, pirimiphos, zetacypermethrin, >lambdacylothrin and the ever-popular ethion. none of these are registered for use >in hives used to produce honey, many of them leave residues and many of them are >very fatal to honeybees, while their effectiviness against varroa mites is >unknown. some will certianly kill varroa 100%, but at the cost of either 100% >elimination of honeybees, contaminated comb/honey, or both. e.g. diazinon [guess >my stint with the veterinary drug and treatment division of american cyanamid many >moons ago paid off] > >do yourself a favor, use the legal, registered, accepted pesticides on your bees. > >hope this helps, > >bill > >-- >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > From paulp@ims.com Mon May 3 17:26:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen cell questions Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:53:23 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3729E003.BC6BC83E@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16847 Recently, I was contemplating about queen cups (starter cells) as I was cutting some out of a hive, and I had a couple of questions which I hope someone can answer. First question: The cups were all empty. (These were not fully formed cells) How are they filled? Do the bees select larvae and place them into these cups? Second question: These cups are fairly recent additions to this hive. Other newly drawn out comb is white but the cups are evenly colored light brown. Is this color due to lots of little muddy footprints, or do the bees mix something (propolis?) with the wax during the construction which gives it the color? Thanks, Paul From steven.turner@zbee.com Mon May 3 17:26:05 EDT 1999 Article: 16848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New BIBBA mailing list Message-ID: <925493659@zbee.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:02:14 GMT Lines: 15 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/118 624ef96f PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.13 EH00015 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 30 Apr 1999 18:43:21 +0100, 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16848 The Bee Improvement and Bee Breeders Association (BIBBA) have launched a mailing list for those beekeepers interested in Apis mellifera mellifera. Open to BIBBA members and non-members How to Join: Send a message to mailserver@zbee.com THE SUBJECT: THE MESSAGE BODY: SUBSCRIBE BIBBA-L --- * Origin: Bromley Bee Club Beenet (240:244/118) From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon May 3 17:26:06 EDT 1999 Article: 16849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:35:44 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> <7gaj8q$1o3$1@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925494376 nnrp-02:28319 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16849 In article <7gaj8q$1o3$1@News.Dal.Ca>, Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete.this. tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> writes >The Varroa mite was initially a parasite of Apis cerana. Thanks,Ulli, Couldnt think off-hand wether it was dorsita or cerana and couldnt be bothered to look it up. -- Tom Speight From divedonn@erols.com Mon May 3 17:26:07 EDT 1999 Article: 16850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Donn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can you claim dead colony as a casualty loss on tax return? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:05:20 -0700 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <3729E2D0.5607@erols.com> References: <37275EAF.9B864F9D@nospam.boeing.com> <7gb0ut$jou$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: divedonn@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 7MXoKP4ih57HqNU+R+k1geuvV49ofAm0DBpMcRO1nK8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 1999 16:42:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16850 dsmithbee@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > > Group, > > > > > > If a beekeeper loses a colony or several colonies due to a disease such > > > as varroa or something similar, does it qualify as a casualty loss for > > > income tax purposes? What dollar value would be appropriate for a > > > healthy, producing colony of bees that crash? Can this be construde as a > > > natural disaster? > > > > Hey... I'm not a tax attorney or even anything more than a NEWBIE > > beekeeper, but... I am a small business person, and, IMHO... > > > > Seems to me such a loss would definitely be a casualty loss. How could it > > be otherwise, if one is taking deductions for expenses for keeping the > > bees in the first place, and for setting up the hives, driving to and from > > them, etc... > > > > Must my 2 cents. > > > > Well, I am a first year beekeeper but I have been a CPA for a while (although > I no longer do personal tax returns). The loss of a hive would probably be > ok as a casualty loss, however, the casualty loss rules require that the loss > be greater than 10% of your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI)and it is subject to a > deductible of $100 per occurance. In other words, you would have to lose a > lot of hives or be really poor! Hope this helps. > I do personal tax returns for a living and this is my personal opinion, and nothing more. I don't think you could take it as a casualty loss for one of two reasons: 1. A Casualty is defined as - the damage, destruction, or loss of property resulting from an identifiable event that is sudden, unexpected, or unusual. (A hive dying from mites is not sudden, nor completly unexpected in this day with them being so bad.) 2. Also listed as Nondeductible Losses is disease, insect damage to trees, shrubs, or other plants. ( I think the IRS might extend this part to mites also) Even if your loss was allowed, you will be very limited on how much you take as a loss: A Casualty Loss equals the lesser of: 1) Decrease in fair market value of the property as a result of the casualty or theft, or 2) Adjusted basis in the property before the casualty or theft, minus, any insurance or other reimbursement received or that is expected to be received. In most cases, as I do, I take as an expense the price of the bees when I purchase them, hence I have no basis in the bees. And then to add to it as the last person said, it must exceed 10% of your AGI + $100 per casualty. My opinion.....as I see it From simonlong@gooserye.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 3 17:26:08 EDT 1999 Article: 16851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Simon Long" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:44:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7gctmj$j2$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-98.name63.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 925497875 610 62.136.191.98 (30 Apr 1999 18:44:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 1999 18:44:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16851 They came from Asia. Yes we do have them in Europe. I believe the Asian Bees have adjusted to Varroa, and tend to clean the mites of each other. This was the idea behind dusting colonies with Talcum powder to try and force the Bees to clean each other. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon May 3 17:26:09 EDT 1999 Article: 16852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Feeding? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 18:09:45 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: <7fa8bt$b78$1@news.campuscwix.net> <19990417233414.23457.00002275@ng139.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.93 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:10:28 GMT X-Trace: 925499428.047.37 KRFRRPH9I985DCE81C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16852 Hi, This is absolutely SOLID advice . And, go out and get "pollen replacer". My neighbor got her bees, and mine, at the same time . She fed her bees, with both Boardman Feeders, and Doolittle Feeders, and her hive is three times the strength of mine . And mine didn't show any least sign of growth, till I supplied pollen replacement . Time is important . It doesn't take long, but to the bees, it's VERY important . Get it done today . if possible . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/17/99 8:34PM, in message <19990417233414.23457.00002275@ng139.aol.com>, Pollinator wrote: From: "jmcc" >I just installed my package bees and it just so happened that a cold spell >appeared the same time. The temperatures around the mid forties. How can I >make sure that my bees are able to get to the sugar water and not freeze at >the same time?? Any help would be appreciated................Thanks! Make sure the feed is above the cluster. A lot of beginners use entrance feeders, which are worthless for cold weather, or weak hives. In a pinch, you can just put a slurry of sugar and water between the inner cover and outer one, allowing them to come up through the hole to get it. That'll get them by for a few days. If this is your first hive, you may not be able to do this, but it's a good idea to have a few frames of honey saved. The poorest stuff you have (loosestrife? or crystallized aster?) is still great feed. When you install your packages, put a frame of honey where the bees can cluster on it. Then there will not be any question about their survival through a few cold days. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From griffes@my-dejanews.com Mon May 3 17:26:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Country Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen cell questions Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:10:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7gd9pf$ii2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3729E003.BC6BC83E@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.54 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 30 22:10:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16853 In article <3729E003.BC6BC83E@ims.com>, Paul Petty wrote: > Recently, I was contemplating about queen cups (starter cells) as I was > cutting some out of a hive, and I had a couple of questions which I hope > someone can answer. > > First question: The cups were all empty. (These were not fully formed > cells) How are they filled? Do the bees select larvae and place them > into these cups? Generally the queen lays eggs in the cups. I have yet to see evidence of bees moving larvae. I suspect but cannot yet prove that some workers may actually move eggs in rare instances. > Second question: These cups are fairly recent additions to this hive. > Other newly drawn out comb is white but the cups are evenly colored > light brown. Is this color due to lots of little muddy footprints, or > do the bees mix something (propolis?) with the wax during the > construction which gives it the color? Bees reuse wax. When they draw it new it is light (can be somewhat colored when they are bringing in certain pollens). When they mine it (generally due to inability to produce wax at the moment) then it is whatever shade they mined it from. Likely they mined some new and some old and mixed 'em together. In brood comb the wax ends up with layers of baby-bee cocoons and most of the actual wax is removed to be reused and propolis is added which does influence color to the darker side as well. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From orangerose@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:10 EDT 1999 Article: 16854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin Queen Conflict (was Re: Newsgroup Name) Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 21:16:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7gbhog$6fm$1@golux.radix.net> Message-ID: <19990430171630.10953.00000574@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16854 > Another question then, is why >do the queens/virgins remain together in the swarm, but fight in an >established nest site? What is different in a swarm than in a newly >established colony? Okay, I don't have any bees and my experience with bees is limited to this ng, *but* I do have a pretty good background in the biological sciences. I would say that a swarm of bees is much more vulnerable to weather and predators than one that has a home, so it makes sense to allow more than one queen--maybe even encourage it--in a swarm. Otherwise, you have, if you can forgive me, all your eggs in one basket. Or the bees do, anyway. Once settled, the swarm is relatively safe from predators and weather, and, from there, I know nothing. :-) I don't really understand the biological advantage of one-queen hives...is it genetic survival? Or is it more efficient for the hive to keep only one queen? Kelly From simonlong@gooserye.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 3 17:26:11 EDT 1999 Article: 16855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Simon Long" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding local beekeepers Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:40:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gctfi$e5$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-98.name63.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 925497650 453 62.136.191.98 (30 Apr 1999 18:40:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 1999 18:40:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16855 What's your Area? From honeybs@radix.net Mon May 3 17:26:12 EDT 1999 Article: 16856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen cell questions Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 00:23:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7gdij9$oho$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <3729E003.BC6BC83E@ims.com> <7gd9pf$ii2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16856 Country Jack wrote: >In article <3729E003.BC6BC83E@ims.com>, > Paul Petty wrote: >> Recently, I was contemplating about queen cups (starter cells) as I was >> cutting some out of a hive, and I had a couple of questions which I hope >> someone can answer. >> >> First question: The cups were all empty. (These were not fully formed >> cells) How are they filled? Do the bees select larvae and place them >> into these cups? >Generally the queen lays eggs in the cups. I have yet to see evidence of bees >moving larvae. I suspect but cannot yet prove that some workers may actually >move eggs in rare instances. This first question is a doozy. I had a hive that went queenless and was becoming quite week. A new queen was introduced but was not accepted. She was marked and could not be found among the few bees that were left. With absolutely no brood, capped or larva, I found a single queen cell in the middle of the comb with an egg in it. It was a single egg attached to the cell bottom by one end just as if a queen had layed it. The only thing I could figure was that the workers had gone to another hive and stole an egg? Greg "the damned if I know" beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From apimo@apimo.dk Mon May 3 17:26:12 EDT 1999 Article: 16857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsmangler.inet.tele.dQ!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen cell questions Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 02:55:19 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7gdjjc$cls$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <3729E003.BC6BC83E@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip115.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 925520300 12988 195.249.242.115 (1 May 1999 00:58:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 1999 00:58:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16857 Paul Petty skrev i meddelelsen <3729E003.BC6BC83E@ims.com>... >Recently, I was contemplating about queen cups (starter cells) as I was >cutting some out of a hive, and I had a couple of questions which I hope >someone can answer. > >First question: The cups were all empty. (These were not fully formed >cells) How are they filled? Do the bees select larvae and place them >into these cups? It is common that bees through the year is making queen cups, and they might not be used at all. It is not the bees filling the cups with larvae, but the queen laying eggs and if the condition is for it, the bees are expanding the cell with egg to a queen cell. by the way. queen cells are not always swarm cells.. Some times they make a so known quiet queen exchange, when the condition is an Old queen or a damaged queen that can no more fulfil the duty. queencells from such conditions are very valuable to make new queens from, because they are few, and very well taken care of by the bees. The larvae is given plenty of food. If you find only a few queen cells placed in the center of the broad you should not cut those out, because you then will end up with a hive out of balance. > >Second question: These cups are fairly recent additions to this hive. >Other newly drawn out comb is white but the cups are evenly colored >light brown. Is this color due to lots of little muddy footprints, or >do the bees mix something (propolis?) with the wax during the >construction which gives it the color? brown cells are cells that have been used. the brown colour comes from leftover of the cocoon. queen cells drawn out in a fresh drawn out comb is not usual, but if, it would have the same colour as the rest of cells. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBI = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Danmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Austaralia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From boby@lakecountry.net Mon May 3 17:26:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bob Young" Subject: white vinegar instead of smoke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01be9371$6de89860$86c9a1d0@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:22:57 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-d2HL8PTs4DhsqW0Ior8VkGsIC/Kwvf0eRJ5zK1fP7whbE+LooFZSt5dn8JfI4nBlrc0IYYcyE8E8zo8!szzB2Xo8v8mzsA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 01:22:57 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16858 I am using a trick learned from a long time beekeeper and that is using grocery store 5% acid white vinegar full strength in a plant mister (or laundry sprayer) instead of smoke. You can mist right up to the hive entrance but if using it over the top of the bars just mist over them, maybe 12 inches above, and let it drift down on the bees. They really get their heads down quick! My friend has been using this trick for years with no effect on his bees. He also mists empty comb that has mildewed and it cleans it up completely. It may be interesting to add a little liquid smoke to see if it enhances the effects. Bob Young From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon May 3 17:26:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varoa Date: Wed, 28 Apr 99 10:42:44 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1832E96A8S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01be900f$4598bee0$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news-atl-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16859 In article <01be900f$4598bee0$LocalHost@default> "grduffy" writes: > >I would like to get as much information on the history of varoa as >possible, where it started,how long it took to travel across europe,etc.are >there any sources available if so I would appreciate any help. >Greg,. There is a web page out there somewhere which gives a very impressive graphical presentation of Varro's "immigration" throughout the world. Unfortunately I misplaced the URL and have not been able to find it using search engines. Anybody have it bookmarked? Aaron Morris - thinking automobiles are great things if I can just find the damned keys! From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Mon May 3 17:26:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <9SsW2.43$AZ2.145@newsr2.maine.rr.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:33:27 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 925522437 24.93.149.35 (Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:33:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:33:57 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16860 Sorry about your disaster! What's that old adage? Life is what happens when you've made plans. I always kept 4 bricks on each my hives until a nor'easter blew in off the gulf of Maine one night and stripped all the tops off. I've used cement blocks since From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon May 3 17:26:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Stories (Was Bees & Blue) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:24:23 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 22 Message-ID: <372A57C7.DE838BDA@valley.net> References: <19990430104445.07169.00000524@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-111.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16861 Pollinator wrote: > From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) > > > > >The beekeepers laughed their asses off at me... saying there's only ONE > >PLACE on yer body that's worse to get stung. I'd actually think there > >would be two, one being the eyelid, and the other being the obvious. > > Eyeball? > half right. ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon May 3 17:26:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Treatment Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:58:16 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <372A5FB7.A0A340AF@valley.net> References: <%b3W2.1458$JC1.81643@axe.netdoor.com> <3728C9FE.96713BC7@bellsouth.net> <372904AE.97E86FE0@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-111.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16862 Robert Malley wrote: > Thank you Bill > I will take your advice. and not use the ear tags. Is the use of > mineral oil considered illegal. > > Robert > > greetings, robert. to the best of my knowledge, mineral oil is not registered with epa as a pesticide, and so would not have restrictions on its use in proximity to food. since we are talking about food grade mineral oil, which is sold over-the-counter as a laxative and is used in the food industry as a lubricant, its use in a hive as a physical mite control is pretty much a non-issue. keep in mind that the efficacy of mineral oil as a miticide is still a matter of some debate. the various methods mentioned here and elsewhere have not been standardized as to application method, quantity, frequency of application, etc., nor have they been validated in controlled trials, at least not that i have seen that utilized good, generally-accepted statistical methods of evaluation detailed in a protocol. i am not putting down mineral oil, and have used it myself, but always in conjunction with apistan strips, not alone. just making the point that you should evaluate your options carefully, before committing to a non-standard course of treatment. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon May 3 17:26:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:03:08 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <372A60DC.E53394F3@valley.net> References: <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-111.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16863 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > Hi gang, its 12:56 am here in NC, I've just come in from picking up the piecies > of my prime honey hive for this year. > > The rain started 3 days ago j......t the only thing Left to say is......We > sure did need the rain. > > Good night to you and yours and May The Good Lord Take a Liking to Ya ! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC kevin, i am very sorry to hear of your travails. if there is a bright side to be found, it is that you are able to send this message to us with your loved ones and critters safe around you. your bees might have been lost, but they can be replaced. it coulda been worse. take care, bill p.s. and dry out them shorts! i can smell 'em up here in new hampshire. ######################################### don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Mon May 3 17:26:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: authors & mentors in our midst Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:35:50 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37285052.168746335@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <925252271.372.34@news.remarQ.com> <37271607.65C6@javanet.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co65-15.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Apr 28 11:29:09 AM PDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16864 For those that don't know to appreciate the time some people are affording to contribute to their answers, just do a search for authors or web-sites by the author of the reply. There are quite a few published "bee" authors, hearty old beekeepers and dedicated mentors in our midst. Thanks to all! Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:17 EDT 1999 Article: 16865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New-BEE Question? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 1999 01:06:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <925166983.378.92@news.remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19990426210659.19041.00001681@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16865 >On the the >scecond bunch I took out about 4 frames and dumped the bees in . Which way >is the best way to place the new bees into the brood box? A you found it on the second try !! >how long >will it take the bees to eat the queens out of their capsules? I n Check them in 3 days to be sure she is free, if not free let her out, then get out. > I left the shipping boxes next to the hive, will the bees come out and >go to the queen? > sit it against the entrance, they will go on in Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rude Message Appearing Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 1999 01:13:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990426211324.19041.00001683@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16866 It would seem that we have been deluged by a virus or something ya'll BTW just what in the heck is " goth " I'm afraid i already know the other words. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jkimbroNOSPAM@midtown.net Mon May 3 17:26:18 EDT 1999 Article: 16867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Kimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what to do about ants by my hives Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:07:38 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <372A8C1A.EB2E2301@midtown.net> References: <371b90b2.14363022@news.ntplx.net> <19990419204653.25712.00002728@ng30.aol.com> <11F2EC008DB7AD4F.013F373691B2C5AA.A070F0DCD90F1FBB@library-proxy.airnews.net> <7fp0uh$73f$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.74 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 05:09:11 GMT X-Trace: 925535351.078.19 YIDHBSSGM654ACDA2C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16867 I do basically that,,,except. I use four- six inch, 3/8 bolts making legs out of them. Then I put the legs in four little mushroom cans filled with oil. HazMat people hate it but it works. Larry Williard wrote: > my hive stand is built with 4 legs made from 2x2's if your stand is similar > then get 4 cans big enough to put the legs in and have at least 2" around > each leg. Put some motor oil or mineral oil in each can, maybe 1" . The ants > cannot cross the oil. I have done this and have only had maybe 2 bees get in > it. Try to keep the rain out of the cans otherwise the water will fill the > can and the oil will run out. > > Larry > > ----------HIVE------------ > || || > || || > || || > [___] <--- CAN --> [___] > > dewitt wrote in message > <11F2EC008DB7AD4F.013F373691B2C5AA.A070F0DCD90F1FBB@library-proxy.airnews.ne > t>... > > > >>go buy a box of Raid Ant Motels > >>put one under each hive, one inside the top cover of each. > >>too small for a bee to get in, they take the bait home..... No more ants > >> > >>works great. > > > >If you are in an area with fire ants this will not work, they rent out > rooms > >in the motels for little ant hookers and hang a red light out front and > make > >a killin. > > > >I put all my hives on tables 48"x20" with enough high to get my lawn mower > >under them and put all four legs in 3 pound coffee cans filled with old > >motor oil. > > > > > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:19 EDT 1999 Article: 16868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 May 1999 05:08:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990501004112.19642.00000938@ng-cc1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990501010818.14220.00000775@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16868 >my >pregnant fiancee wet herself during an emergency, and my sweet-natured >pitbull >(she really is!) got into a fight hmm lets picture this wedding the bride ,the groom, the preacher, the families , and a midwife !!! Good luck, sounds like ya need it ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:20 EDT 1999 Article: 16869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 May 1999 05:05:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <372A60DC.E53394F3@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990501010540.14220.00000773@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16869 >ake care, > >bill > >p.s. and dry out them shorts! i can smell 'em up here in new hampshire. > ># sheesh... an i thought it was the dog... 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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:05:59 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <372545B7.274E@kingston.net> References: <7g29q8$t1m$1@news.vic.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.17 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:07:37 GMT X-Trace: 925178857.473.28 QANSHOMNI3411CDD2C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16871 Larry Williard wrote: > > I started a 3-lb box of bees last year. This year I was going to split > them and make 2 hives in July. I was hopping to get some honey before that > this year. I have 2 deep bodies and 1 super on. 2 weeks ago the queen was in > the top brood box when I added the super. Now she's in the bottom and the > bees are filling the top brood box with honey and just starting to pull wax > on the super one frame is starting to be filled with honey. > > Question should I leave the 2nd brood box or remove it and just leave the > super and or add another super. Ideas Please. > There Buckfast if that matters. > > Thanks. > > Larry Hi Larry, Why don't you make a nuc instead of a split? I have made all my hives this way. It doesn't hurt the main hive and since you only have the one take a couple frames of sealed brood and a couple frames of food. Order another queen and your off to the races. -- Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. From harrisonrw@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!141.211.144.13!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rude Message Appearing Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 1999 02:16:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990426211324.19041.00001683@ng-cf1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990426221633.15326.00000196@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16872 It appears that this jerk has got hold of peoples passwords and is using their screen names. It just happened to me some clown sent out 2657 e-mails with my screen name on them. I had 140 e-mails tonight with 133 of them being FU's Regards, Ralph From euroxboy@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:22 EDT 1999 Article: 16873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: euroxboy@aol.com (EuroXboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rude Message Appearing Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Apr 1999 02:27:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990426211324.19041.00001683@ng-cf1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990426222709.14284.00000206@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16873 Must be some kind of virus. I'm reading the messages with my son and these rude posts are showing. Now he wondering just what kind of board this is. I'm positive you folks aren't posting these free will. Keith Amberson From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon May 3 17:26:23 EDT 1999 Article: 16874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rude Message Appearing Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 01:40:17 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 39 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.80 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:41:13 GMT X-Trace: 925180873.052.47 KRFRRPH9I1C50CF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16874 Hi, I'm no expert either, but "goth", or actually gothic, is the infatuation with the macabre; and in it's extreme, is despair as a virtue . There are a ton of websites about it . It's one of those expressions of a great empire, in the middle stages of decline, when it's clear that it's doing more harm than good, and should die, but the average citizen is working harder, and harder, to prop up it's fatally compromised defenses . Or, so I see it . Ken . die ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/26/99 6:13PM, in message <19990426211324.19041.00001683@ng-cf1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: It would seem that we have been deluged by a virus or something ya'll BTW just what in the heck is " goth " I'm afraid i already know the other words. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon May 3 17:26:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: IMPORTANT! happy99.exe fix Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:03:56 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 52 Message-ID: <37251B0B.D7ABE24@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-111.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16875 greetings, all. it was recently reported here that my postings included an attachment called 'Happy99.exe' that was actually a virus. i am sad to report that the reports were correct. the attachment is invisible to the sender; you don't see it going out. so, i didn't take the first post seriously. however, after the second one, i looked up the virus on the net and it is real [although relatively harmless]. so, i did a test by sending an email to myself. sure enough, i got 2 emails back, one clean and one with the attachment. you cannot activate the virus unless you open the attachment. so, DON'T open Happy99.exe!!!! just delete it [and then empty your trash]. if you open the file, you see pretty fireworks [actually, pretty lame fireworks]. the virus installs itself and then sends itself out using your email and newsgroup clients. it DOES NOT corrupt files, disks, data, etc. it changes some files and registries, but nothing catastrophic, and nothing that can't be corrected. no data is lost. if you get it, there is a very nice and simple automated fix out there. go to: http://www.pchell.com/internet/happy99.html they have a manual fix and an automated fix. i downloaded the automated fix and ran it. it worked great, removing the file and the regisry entries. if anyone wants it, i can email them the automated fix. after running it, i sent myself several emails and they were clean. also, all traces of the virus [as reported] were gone from my system. everyone, i am sincerely sorry, if i passed on this mess to you. i hope no one else has it. how did i, a relatively computer literate person, get it? i read an email from a nice woman, who runs a website on gardening in northern new england, and with whom i was corresponding on beekeeping, of all things. the file was there as an attachment this weekend and, without thinking, i opened it. duh. i am lucky in that this is a relatively harmless virus. but, the next one may not be. again, i apologize to everyone on this newsgroup. if nothing else, learn from my mistake and BE CAREFUL with emails and postings! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From lithar@midwest.net Mon May 3 17:26:24 EDT 1999 Article: 16876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-establishing a natural colony Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:01:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37252890.7E@midwest.net> References: <1999Apr23.000951.27303@tincan.tincan.org> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.51 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:08:34 GMT X-Trace: 925182514.324.33 JF3D7GB4M1C33D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16876 John van Veen wrote: > > There lived in the willow tree in our front yard a productive bee colony. > The epidemic wiped them out last year. I would like to restart the > colony. > > Is it enough to introduce a queen and her followers or should the hive be > fumigated? > > Don't know much about this stuff. > > -- > John > If there is a beekeeper in your area you might want to check on the state law regarding the type of 'beekeeping' you are considering. In Illinois it is illegal to keep bees in anything other than a moveable frame hive. How 'bout purchasing a hive and joing the rest of us in this venture? Any questions you have can find an answer here or in any number of books at Barnes & Noble. AL From tfulton@kusd.edu Mon May 3 17:26:25 EDT 1999 Article: 16877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!nntp.inc.net!news.inc.net!not-for-mail From: Tim Fulton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 06:54:36 -0500 Organization: Inc.Net http://www.inc.net Lines: 37 Message-ID: <372AEB7C.A9BC2AD@kusd.edu> References: <372342C8.EE18A1A3@valley.net> <19990426163612.24088.00001677@ng-ca1.aol.com> Reply-To: tfulton@kusd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.25.139.65 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16877 Here in southern Wisconsin we use cherry flavored coolaid in the syrup to see where it goes. It seems to acidify the syrup and inhibits the growth of mold.  Some also use cherry flavored menthol cough drops as a vm deterrent.  I'm told the bees like cherry flavor best. Tim Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >can you track > >> if the bees move honey around as the seasons change?  how long does spring > >syrup > >> honey last?  can you still see it in the frames in the fall? > > > > Yep i've seen em move it around the brood nest quite a lot as the queen > increases laying. > Spring syrup has this year lasted only about as long as buildup althouth some > is still evident in lower super of  some 1 hive body 1 super brood chambers. > You still see it year to year in very large hives, uncapped a 9 1/8 in frame > this year to get a lil for breakfast on time, dang thing was still bright green > honey filled. > > hehe got quite a suprise once after renting a hive to a lady for her back yard > garden, opened the hive for a check ....low and behold there before me was a > kalediscope of color....Her son's biology project at Jr College was to see how > color affected the syrup intake of humming birds, he never could quite keep it > from leaking. The bees loved it no matter the color !!!! > > My main concern has been that,I  try my best to sell only honey thats made, not > fed as in syrup > I wont buy adulterated honey and I will never intentionally sell it, If we > uncap a frame thats green tinted or polkadoted It goes back to the bees > So if I feed only colored syrup, then there's never a question.. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC   From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 3 17:26:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin Queen Conflict (was Re: Newsgroup Name) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:45:22 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7gf6vp$mle$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <3720B58E.2727@earthlink.net> <7fun73$b2l$1@golux.radix.net> <7g7si5$42j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7gbhog$6fm$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.ibogaine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 925572921 23214 62.136.72.201 (1 May 1999 15:35:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 1999 15:35:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16878 Pass! Maybe the bees keep them apart - the swarm must have a better chance of survival this way; if the queens are reduced to one in the cluster then she could be lost on the journey to the nest site. What is your theory? (and what will the next question be?) >Hi. Thanks-- this is interesting information. Another question then, is why >do the queens/virgins remain together in the swarm, but fight in an >established nest site? What is different in a swarm than in a newly >established colony? > >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vt.edu >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 3 17:26:26 EDT 1999 Article: 16879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin Queen Conflict (was Re: Newsgroup Name) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:51:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7gf6vq$mle$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <3720B58E.2727@earthlink.net> <7fun73$b2l$1@golux.radix.net> <7g7si5$42j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7gbhog$6fm$1@golux.radix.net> <7gc12e$emn$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.ibogaine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 925572922 23214 62.136.72.201 (1 May 1999 15:35:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 1999 15:35:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16879 Presumably this was a case of supercedure. Although this happens regularly, many beekeepers do not realise that there are two queens in the hive unless they mark their queens - then you will sometimes see the old marked queen as well as the unmarked new one. Legend has it that the old one always dies during the following winter (question: how does she die? old age? killed by the new queen? by the bees? why not until the winter?) but you say that yours co-existed for a year - does that mean throught the winter into the following spring? >I had a colony with two queens in it. They would lay side >by side and pay no attention to one another. They coexisted >for a year in the same hive. In the early spring one was >laying on one side of the comb and the other laid an >identical patch on the other side. This is the only colony >I have seen where two queens got along so well. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 3 17:26:27 EDT 1999 Article: 16880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:54:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.ibogaine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 925572923 23214 62.136.72.201 (1 May 1999 15:35:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 1999 15:35:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16880 Quite difficult to give them away round here! Alan Craig wrote in message <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com>... >On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:31:56 -0400, James Lindstrom > wrote: > > >>Jajwuth wrote: >>> >>> does anybody know where I can purchase a wbc hive >>> From @tinet.ie Mon May 3 17:26:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!korova.insync.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virus checking Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:38:16 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7gfbn3$q6h$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <37251B0B.D7ABE24@valley.net> <37274393.DD3F5F00@globetrotter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p118.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 925577763 26833 159.134.232.118 (1 May 1999 16:56:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 1999 16:56:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16881 pascal fournier wrote in message <37274393.DD3F5F00@globetrotter.net>... >Hi. I use for a long time a virus scanner called F-Prot. Can be download >free (trial version) >from www.datafellows.com. Always check attached files before running on my >computer. >and so never has problems. >Works better than Norton or McAffee on my opinion > > hope this could help > > >PF Make sure that your virus software is up to date, I was also stung by Happy99, and had scanned the file though a virus scanner delivered on a brand new computer, however the data file were earlier than Jan 99 when this virus appeared, and so nothing showed up. I received it in an email from someone who I was expecting to send me an attachment and so my guard was lowered. I used the manual method of cleaning the virus, and relax it wasn't on this machine :-) Ruary Rudd From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:28 EDT 1999 Article: 16882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Apr 1999 05:46:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990423014637.15331.00001829@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16882 >Can anyone tell me what the 'sci' stands for in this newsgroup's name? > scarcity a concerned individuals >often, I have to say, from the USA - ask for incredibly basic >information which is widely available in e most a us is incredibly basic folks, its hard nuff rounding up 2.00 a bag for sugar much less 15-20.00 fer magazines >beekeeping books available which are far too >numerous to list he yep we read em, thats why everybody else asks us, if'n we tell em they aint got ta read em >The use of spellcheckers as a standard option might also be a good idea for >many members! As all ya'll know we was here already a few months back, an i ain't opening that can a worms back up Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From cpullman@ckt.net Mon May 3 17:26:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <371FF86B.89F2695A@ckt.net> From: cpullman Reply-To: cpullman@ckt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:34:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.253.50.170 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 924841975 206.253.50.170 (Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:32:55 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:32:55 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16883 George C wrote: > I just received in the mail a queen I ordered for a split I am going to > make. However we just had a winter storm move in (Denver, CO) and we have > snow and 30 degree F temperatures predicted for the next few days. How long > can I keep the queen in her cage out of a colony? The apiary mailed her on > 4/20/99. > > Thanks, > > George She will have her attendants to feed her and care for her, they will need a drop of water, and you will have to cover the candy side of the queen cage until you want to release her later ,or they will eat through it. I would keep them in a dark place, that is not gotten into to often. Time ways I don't know, maybe a week or two. good luck From alan@shadforth.u-net.com Mon May 3 17:26:29 EDT 1999 Article: 16884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!peer.news.bb.u-net.net!u-net!newsr2.u-net.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: alan@shadforth.u-net.com (Alan Craig) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Reply-To: alan@shadforth.u-net.com Message-ID: <372b25ae.17466149@news.u-net.com> References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> <7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 18:45:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.102.197.57 X-Complaints-To: news@u-net.net X-Trace: newsr2.u-net.net 925584372 195.102.197.57 (Sat, 01 May 1999 19:46:12 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 19:46:12 BST Organization: (Posted via) U-NET Internet Ltd. Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16884 On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:54:57 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Quite difficult to give them away round here! > Yes, that's true too. I have worked with them before and it's literally twice the work - in fact the Thorne's catalogue says that while they work they shouldn't be considered for commercial purposes, only for looking good on the lawn From tarkkabackshall@bigpond.com Mon May 3 17:26:30 EDT 1999 Article: 16885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!139.134.5.3.MISMATCH!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail From: "A Tarkka" Subject: RE: Round hives Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01be922f$e1765760$LocalHost@tarkkabackshall> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:57:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.144.255 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 925387065 139.134.144.255 (Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:57:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:57:45 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16885 I think the hive's you're refering to are the old straw Skeps They are placed on a bottom board and the bees build their comb directly on the inside of the Skep. In order to harvest the honey and wax the beekeeper had to kill the bees, I think they used sulpher or something. The comb is pressed to extract the honey. I dont know about the pollination side of things though. I know a few Pommie beekeepers and they know a bit about them, they were very comon in England aparantly. That's it mate the well is dry, hope someone else can help too see ya, Anthony. From pollinator@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cough drops for mites Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1999 12:22:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990428204829.20970.00000131@ng154.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990429082239.26175.00000032@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16886 From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) > On the one hand, it's in all beekeepers' best interests to let the less >resistant colonies die out. > On the other hand, I've paid $50 or $60 per package of bees including >shipping and I find it awful hard to roll the dice with their survival by not >treating for preventable diseases. It easy enough for you folks to advocate >this point when you're not spending your own money, or if you have a big >enough >apiary where a few colony's dying out won't devastate you. > Last year, my boss did not treat for any diseases and 3 of his 4 hives >died >out due to treacheal mites (as diagnosed by an entomologist who studies >bees). >He bought 2 more packages this year, and is hoping the one that didn't die >swarms. This year he is also treating for treacheal mites with a miticide. >It's >hard to take losses like that. Did I say, let them die out? Sorry, didn't mean to.....that's what we did once, but you can now requeen with a QUALITY queen. If your queen breeder treats for tracheal mite, find another. I don't lose more than a half dozen colonies per year that I could in any way attribute to tracheal mites. I raise a batch of late nucs. These are held until midsummer, when I am starting to check colonies for fall pollination. When I find a colony with tracheal mites, chalkbrood or drone laying queen, I just drop a nuc right into them. Voila! A renewed hive. Requeened, rebrooded and repopulated all at once. It rarely fails. It's a good idea to find the lousy queen and kill her, just in case... A couple times now, someone has had a handful of Hawaiian queens left over, and asked me, "Can you use these?" Well, sure, a queen is a queen, right? Better mark those hives for later requeening, cause they'll get tm for sure...... Frankly, I think the repeated introduction of stock that hasn't been culled out, whether from Hawaii, or from treated stock, is the primary reason we still have a problem with tracheal mites. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From honeybs@radix.net Mon May 3 17:26:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:17:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7g9jm7$4tc$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7g7si6$42j$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990428185855.02371.00000010@ng42.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16887 orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) wrote: >>I do consider it to be a discourtesy to other users not to make an >>attempt to use correct spelling - after all, with modern spellcheckers it >>takes very little effort. >I use the newsgroup reader that came with my AOL 4.0 software. It does not >have a spell-checker, killfile, or address-munging capabilities. >I hope you don't find less-than-perfect typing skills discourteous. >Proofreading for spelling can be quite time-consuming. Then there is us poor dislexic bastards that can proof read our stuff all day and still not see the mistakes. Four letter words give me a fit sometimes. It doesn't mean I'm stupid I just look that way. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From bobpursley@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cough drops for mites Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Apr 1999 13:42:38 GMT References: <19990428204829.20970.00000131@ng154.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990429094239.02122.00000038@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16888 In article <19990428204829.20970.00000131@ng154.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) writes: > On the one hand, it's in all beekeepers' best interests to let the less >resistant colonies die out. Requeening is an economic and viable option, even while treating the mites. Bees are a valuable commodity, at least in my part of the county. From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I wire frames ? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 04:49:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990430004934.19919.00000522@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16889 >Hi, > > Without going through a blood pressure >crisis . > >Thank-you, >Ken . > use wired foundation and support pins no muss no fuss quick install Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Removal Expert Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 04:52:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3728FE26.78BCC467@forensisgroup.com> Message-ID: <19990430005254.19919.00000524@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16890 > >We are a company providing expert witness consulting services to >attorneys and the insurance industry. > >At this time, we have a case in which our client needs an expert to >address issues involving bee removal and the standards of care in >removing bees/beehive. The expert should preferbly own a bee removal >service or is employed by such a company. In other words, they want >someone with hands on experience in bee removal. > >The expert should be native to California. Prior expert witness >experience is preferred, but not necessary. Please email me at >anoji@earthlink.net if you are interested in assisting on this case. > >Sincerely, >Ang well mam I suppose if you cannot find anyone in your area you could get me. 3 yrs been doing just that removing bees from inside homes etc... Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From kamene@my-dejanews.com Mon May 3 17:26:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kamene@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and the color blue? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:12:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7gbe4p$u7a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <925252271.372.34@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.192.65 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 30 05:12:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; SK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x17.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.96.192.65 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16891 Hi It is my understanding that bees are quite attracted to blue .. in particular blue flowers .. ie lavendar and borage bog sage etc When we joined the local bee club the old timers told us not to wear blue .. that the bees may be more inclined to fly toward us and it may encourage stinging .. last time i went to my hives wearing black trousers the bees headed straight for them and I got stung through the fabric ... prefer to wear white these days.. as for colouring the hives.. apparently it matters not about the colour of the hives .. but there are many I know of who do paint their hives in bright colours.... it looks quite nice anyway Carman In article <925252271.372.34@news.remarQ.com>, "Dave Marple" wrote: > I read in...I believe it was A.I. Root...that honeybees did not particularly > like the color blue. Then read in Sue Hubbell's book that they are > preferential to blue, and its not a bad idea to paint your hives different > colors because field bees can distinguish their hive and colony better when > returning to the hive. Is there any truth to this color thing with bees, or > is it just folklore? > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Well we needed the rain Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Apr 1999 05:21:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990430012118.19919.00000537@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16892 Hi gang, its 12:56 am here in NC, I've just come in from picking up the piecies of my prime honey hive for this year. The rain started 3 days ago just as my acre of buckwheat was gonna bloom at 3 inches tall. The temps started to drop yesterday and i guess its been raining for the last 40 hours straight with temps below 50 most of the time. Bout 2 hours ago I awoke to the sound of tree limbs breaking, sounded like hurricane Fran all over again, no sound of a twister but the damndest winds.Blowing rain literally sideways, lasted bout an hour a solid dang hour. Put on a thick coat, cranked up the truck, pointed her toward the bee yard .....My super stacked, propolized, drawn out comb gonna set the state record this year hive was scattered over about 20 feet. 5 others with top and inner covers blown, drenched beyond compare. Got em all set back up, cinder blocks on top ( would have done this anyway if weather man said anything bout high winds ) scooped handfuls of bees back into the prize winner ( hahahaa might as well laugh beats crying ) 15 frames of brood gotta be toast, 50 degrees + rain + wind chill. Well Newbees, Thats a night in the life of a beekeeper. And after all is said and done and I'm sittin here in a pair a wet drawers soaked to the skin warming my feet under a tired ol Bassett hound with a kitten trying to nurse from him, I guess that the only thing Left to say is......We sure did need the rain. Good night to you and yours and May The Good Lord Take a Liking to Ya ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From kamene@my-dejanews.com Mon May 3 17:26:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kamene@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's The Brood Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:33:19 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 49 Message-ID: <7gbfav$v4k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <372781CE.14D572D5@pcpostal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.192.65 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 30 05:33:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; SK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.96.192.65 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16893 Hi Gary Bill Greenrose .. message 4 .. gives some good advice .. I would like to add .. it seems that the bees are able to detect nervousness .. when we started the bees would get quite agitated but as you gain experience you'll find them easier to manage .. about lunch time to 2.00pm is a good time to enter the hives as many will be out foraging. When we inspect the hives we usually start at the outside frames ... but... if we want to inspect the brood then we usually go straight to the centre frames.. that is where the brood are raised. The brood larvae are kept in a egg type of formation near the center of the hive ... this is a more insulated space and warmer for the eggs and brood ... the adult nurse bees are very conscious of maintaining an even temperature for the brood and will usually cluster near the centre on cooler days .. to keep the larvae warm on warmer days you may often see them on the doorstep fanning the hive with their wings It is unavoidable that the bees will fly around you when you enter the hive... sometimes ours fly at us and dive bomb our masks ...as the others said be careful not to squash too many.. when they are squashed they release a odour which the others pick up on.. I heard one old beekeeper say that she is pleased bees sting, because if bees were like butterflies then how would they survive ... everyone would steal their honey .. I guess if you look at it in that way it makes the job easier all the best Carman In article <372781CE.14D572D5@pcpostal.com>, Gary wrote: > Actually there may be brood. > I received my 2 packages of bees 3 1/2 weeks ago. Everything appears to > be going ok. However whenever I open either hive, which I have done > twice now, the bees get a little annoyed. I smoke them pretty good and > give them about a minute before I open the hive. Usually by the time I > get to the second frame quite a few of the bees are flying around and > two or three really get in my face and act extremely hacked. Its usually > about this time I decide both the bees and me have had enough. As a > result I have not found the queen or any brood in the frames I have > checked, I always start on the outer most frame and work in, maybe I > should start in the center. I do find bees bearing pollen though. Does > this mean there is likely brood present? Next time I open the hive I > plan to stick with it and check all the frames. > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon May 3 17:26:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newsgroup Name Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 08:04:56 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <372317bf.1058752@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.134 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:06:07 GMT X-Trace: 924858367.224.84 KRFRRPH9I9886CE81C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16894 Hi, You betcha . Yup . Like-that . Ken . ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 4/22/99 11:50PM, in message <372317bf.1058752@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>, nephron@my-dejanews.com wrote: Please place replies beneath the quoted text, and trim, where possible. -- nephron@my-dejanews.com From jamesd@xcelco.on.ca Mon May 3 17:26:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!feeder.qis.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!rQdQ!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "David James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To: Matthew Westfall Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:39:39 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7fpiht$aib$1@east43.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.167.188.248 X-Trace: 924863869 0YD664MXXBCF8D1A7C east43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16895 Matthew: I have been trying to respond to your message concerning the Bee Vac plans. However, your email address comes up as a "No existing address". If you receive this message, will you please forward to me the plans for the bee vac. Thank you for your assistance in this matter. David James jamesd@xcelco.on.ca From no-spam@nospam.com Mon May 3 17:26:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: no-spam@nospam.com (Cara & Tom Patterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wbc hives Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 00:41:05 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990423163501.10450.00000748@ng-fz1.aol.com> <37219D9C.BE87580A@alltel.net> <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com> <7gf6vr$mle$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 May 1999 00:41:08 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat May 1 17:45:16 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Lines: 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-209.245.2.241.denver1.level3.net Message-ID: <372b9f0b.1436691@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16896 why is that so? On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:54:57 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Quite difficult to give them away round here! > >Alan Craig wrote in message <37296e94.6129121@news.u-net.com>... >>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:31:56 -0400, James Lindstrom >> wrote: >> >> >>>Jajwuth wrote: >>>> >>>> does anybody know where I can purchase a wbc hive >>>> > > From kinkim@cs.chonbuk.ac.kr Mon May 3 17:26:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!news.chonbuk.ac.kr!not-for-mail From: "±×´Ï" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ÀÌ·±... Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:44:15 +0900 Organization: Chonbuk Nat'l Univ. 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From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon May 3 17:26:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queens Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:59:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 May 1999 01:00:34 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat May 1 18:05:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust73.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <372BA384.1978@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16898 I had c aouple of hives swarm this year and tried to control after swarms by removing all but two queen cells in the effected hives. Several days after one queen hatched out I was surprised to see unhatched cells. When I opened them up the queens were dead backwards in the cells. Didn't think much about it until I opend a superseedure cell last week and the pupa was in the cell backwards. Anyone out there ever seen it and knows the cause? Don From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon May 3 17:26:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin Queen Conflict (was Re: Newsgroup Name) Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:54:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7fo4at$v05$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <3720B58E.2727@earthlink.net> <7fun73$b2l$1@golux.radix.net> <7g7si5$42j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7gbhog$6fm$1@golux.radix.net> <7gf6vp$mle$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 May 1999 00:55:03 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat May 1 18:05:01 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust73.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <372BA239.7054@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16899 We took a hive of bees from an old house in Nov last in North Carolina anh hived them on a Sat. On Wed I found two queens in the box and removed one of them. The comb in the house was full of recently hatched superseedure cells and there was no eggs or brood in the comb. We are returning to the same house in a couple of weeks because there are still bees there and have been there all the time according to the crew dismanteling it. How many queens? Who knows. I opened a hive I had moved to the mountains two years ago about a month after I moved it and counted no less than eight queens all out of superseedure cells. Have never seen that with swarm cells. Don From jondrain@southnet.co.nz Mon May 3 17:26:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz!mulder!s54-ts2-in.southnet.co.nz From: "John Drain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splitting Hives. Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <372bb8d9.0@mulder> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 14:21:46 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.86.3 X-Trace: news.clear.net.nz 925611729 203.97.86.3 (Sun, 02 May 1999 14:22:09 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 14:22:09 NZST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16900 How many ways can I split the one hive. Could I get another four hives out of the one that I split. Should I do it all in one go. If I did this at the start of the season would I get full production from these hives at the end of the season. How would I do it. Should I take two frames with Brood, put them in another hive some miles away and buy a new Quuen for them. All feed back appreciated. Regards. John Drain. jondrain@southnet.co.nz From Robert Article: 16901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan" <"Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Historical questions.... Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:47:06 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 71 Message-ID: <7gkgj7$ggo@news1.snet.net> References: <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh3-port56.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16901 Orangerose wrote in message <19990426030622.19162.00002372@ng-fp1.aol.com>... >I have some questions considering the history of beekeeping. > >First: how did the classic, dome-shaped beehive work? Did people actually use >them for honey, or just to house pollinators? Did they have some sort of frame >system? They used them for honey and wax, not for polinators (at least, not intentionally). The straw skep (the dome shape that most people think of as the "clasic beehive" is actually a fairly recent invention, relative to beekeeping over all. It is only 1000 years old or so. Hollow logs and clay jars (big hole on one end, small hole on the other, big hole kept corked until harvest) have been in use much longer. To harvest from the skep, the beekeeper would select 1/2 of his hives to winter and 1/2 to harvest. The harvest half was killed and the comb broken out. The broken comb was crushed and hung in a bag to drip the honey. Some beekeepers did "drive the bees" >from the harvest skep to an empty one, but that was not as common as just killing them. The empty skeps were used again the next year - the wintered hives cast numerous swarms and the swarms prefered the used skeps. The skeps did not have frames, the bees just attached the comb to the onside of the skep. Larger skeps might have a support system consisting of either 2 sticks thrust through the skep to form a horizontal cross half way up the skep or a single stick split into quaters down to within an inch of the end. If the latter, the inch that was not split was put in a hole in the base board and the split ends were anchored in the sides of the skep, again about half way up or a little more. If you looked at just the support stick it looked like a fountaingoung up in a column then spreading out and, if the skep were not in the way, would continue down. Just as a side note, I think it is illegal and know it is unwise to keep bees in the straw skeps. You can't check and treat them for disease easily so they become carriers, and harvest is extremely difficult without killing the bees, or at least harming them. As skeps fell out of favor and removable frame hives took over, a study was done on the skeps and found 25% had foulbrood (more details in Eva Crane's "Archeology of beekeeping"). > >Second: >Where did the various mites come from? I know that they were introduced, but >from where? And is it strictly an American problem or do they have them in >Europe, too? Don't they have some sort of predator/population control in their >native environment? The Varroa are from Asia where the bees themselves are the "predators". The natural grooming and cleaning behavior of the asiatic bees includes the catching and crushing of mites so they are not as severe a problem. European bees groom and clean but don't seem to recognise the mites as pests that need to be destroyed. Better grooming behaviour is evolving, and we may see in our lifetimes european bees that survive mite attack. >Just curious.. > >TIA > > >Kelly > > From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Mon May 3 17:26:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <372DE6ED.13F76101@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 14:11:58 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.78.61 X-Trace: news2.atl 925754793 209.214.78.61 (Mon, 03 May 1999 14:06:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 14:06:33 EDT Lines: 42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16902 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > You can not go blindly into beekeeping and not expect > disaster for your self or your neighbor, it just won't work. > > Responses are welcome from new and old alike. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Disasters like not having enough weight on your hive covers? Right. Where is the chapter and verse on that one? I am sitting here wondering, as I am sure others in the group who have asked questions important to them yet seeming trivial or elementary to others, is the Big Johnson talking about me? Starting again after 20 some years of absence from beekeeping due to my real job... I picked up a 9 pound swarm in a cardboard box and needed some reassurance before I either correctly installed them well into the night or suffocated them by leaving them till morning as the book suggested. None of the books dealt with that situation I could find. So I came to the group and got immediate help. That is one of the many strengths of this association. A place to come and get help, a place to give help, to get reassurance or just to laugh at what will they think up next... And to know you are not alone in your weirdness of wanting to keep insects in a hundred dollar box out in the backyard, maybe to get some honey at the end of the season. (How many gallons of honey could you have gotten at the farmer's market for that investment?) I know the teen aged kids in my area are scared of me, the "psycho" in the mesh mask by the white boxes carrying a smoking tin can. I, for one, am glad the list is here, I am glad Kevin likes to answer stuff, and really enjoy reading about how the rest of you are doing through the seasons. Please don't hesitate to ask your questions. I am glad that some of our volunteer experts like Country Jack(Ether 2:3) or Jorn Johanesson from the north country (love to try some of that heather honey), Peter Edwards from the UK, or Pollinator >from the Carolina Lowcountry take time out of their busy day, particularly in this busy season, to answer, to chat, to correct, and to lend a bit of humor into this endeavor of ours. David Lynes Woodstock, GA cdlynes@bellsouth.net From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 3 17:26:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A word of Advice Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:42:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7gkum0$1ek$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990503014037.19121.00001342@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-62.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 925761024 1492 62.136.16.62 (3 May 1999 19:50:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 May 1999 19:50:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16903 What is IMHO? No doubt I will kick myself when someone tells me! Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... > IMHO, whether we're talking about information, or nectar & pollen, >it is a fact that an individual, and their associated community, will, in >the end, benefit from a search for same from many sources. From jmitc1014@aol.com Mon May 3 17:26:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well we needed the rain Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 May 1999 03:08:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990501010540.14220.00000773@ng-ft1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990501230836.11392.00001176@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16904 Right on, brother! JM