Article 26254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cara & Tom Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varostop Message-ID: <6qgdoso7vtfsf6ehd4r9qeuts5novdt8oe@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 1 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:33:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc2.tx.home.com 965133213 24.8.20.181 (Tue, 01 Aug 2000 05:33:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 05:33:33 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26254 Is anyone familiar with the varroa treatment Varostop from Bulgaria? Article 26255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Sting problem Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.252.234.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 965150996 158.252.234.153 (Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:29:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:29:56 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26255 My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me with the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and has a nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is also swollen. I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, but I don't know if it helped. What now? Darrell Article 26256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!news.imp.ch!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:47:52 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-5-p09.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26256 Sure. In southern France lavender is widely cultivated and so is Miel de Lavande. Delicious. Very light in color, fine in taste. -- Best regards..... visit our website => www.broennimann.com Neville Brook a écrit dans le message : 965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get > Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as > Lavender honey? > Cheers and thanks > Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > Article 26257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:37:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <39873205.879733@news1.radix.net> References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26257 On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:19:59 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: >I'm not sure about that because in the distant past, while taking a swarm >out of a building wall, I was stung many times and they were not as bad as >mosquito bites. Then about two months ago, I got another hive out of a >building and got stung five times. Those puffed a little but not bad. First >week in July I was just nicked through the glove on a finger and that finger >swelled pretty good. This time, the finger swelled to where I can't bend it >and my whole hand is puffy. >It seems to be getting worse with each sting. >Darrell > Exactly my point, you are probably not getting stung enough. Beekeepers should work their bees offten, with as little protection as they can get by with. Getting stung every couple of months can become a bad thing. Getting an occasional sting two or three times a week will keep your body in shape for them. Accidents happen! Just this weekend I moved bees into pumpkins. I pull the hives out of the truck and put them on their stands in shorts with no bee suit as they are all screened in. Imagine my surprise on the seventh hive when I felt a board out of the bottom board hit my feet! I know I took at least 100 stings. Being by myself there was no help available. Because I get stung often there was no big problem. Experience being on my side, my bee suit was close by, right side out, and exactly where I knew it was. People that mess with bees must get stung often for their own safety. All that getting stung every couple of months does is prepare your body for a real bad reaction. beekeep Article 26258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jduncan57@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do bees work soybeans? Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 02:34:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8m81cd$t5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.223.230.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 02 02:34:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.223.230.188 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjduncan57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26258 I live in western Pa. and have just started two hives this summer. I live near a farm that has several acres of soybeans. Do honey bees work on this crop? And does it make a good honey? It will soon blossom and would be a good nectar source before the goldenrod flow. Thanks in advance for any answers. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees work soybeans? Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 02:56:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8m82kr$u25$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8m81cd$t5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.111 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 02 02:56:29 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.111 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26259 > jduncanwrote: > Do honey bees > work on this crop? And does it make a good honey? ******************************************************8 Howdy JD -- Yes bees do work soybeans. The honey is light amber and of good quality. The yield depends on variety, soil and weather. One year I had bees on soybeans in black delta land and got a good crop. Another year, an outbreak of bugs came about and the owner sprayed before he thought of me and the bees. DEAD BEES GALORE ! You might want to mention this to the bean grower just in case. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying Workers - Always ? Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:49:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 01 02:49:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26260 Howdy Folks -- Has anyone seen results of any reseach as to what percentage of hopelessly queenless colonies will develop laying workers ? I had always assumed that it always happens, but I have seen evidence that in some cases it may not. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39882C13.956C243C@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:11:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 54 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26261 Thought I would add my own experience as I am a first year newbie. After my first initiation in early June which consisted of some 15-20 stings all within a few seconds of each other, I started wearing a bee suit but not gloves. Since then I get on average 1 sting a week, usually on my hand. I got my latest one over the last weekend and for the first time experienced no pain after the initial sting subsided, no swelling, and best of all, no itching! I think I am finally starting to build an immunity after two months. Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > I'm not sure about that because in the distant past, while taking a swarm > out of a building wall, I was stung many times and they were not as bad as > mosquito bites. Then about two months ago, I got another hive out of a > building and got stung five times. Those puffed a little but not bad. First > week in July I was just nicked through the glove on a finger and that finger > swelled pretty good. This time, the finger swelled to where I can't bend it > and my whole hand is puffy. > It seems to be getting worse with each sting. > Darrell > > wrote in message news:39870293.882315@news1.radix.net... > > On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" > > wrote: > > > > >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me > with > > >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and > has a > > >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is > also > > >swollen. > > >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, > but > > >I don't know if it helped. > > >What now? > > >Darrell > > > > > > > > > > > Throw the gloves away, stop wearing rings, and get stung some more. > > You will get used to it. > > > > beekeep > > -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 26262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39884F48.D9F31E97@cybertours.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:41:45 -0400 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pink Page Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.42 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.42 X-Trace: 2 Aug 2000 12:34:54 -0500, 64.208.64.42 Lines: 18 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.64.42 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26262 Greetings! Updated Pink Pages located here: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 26263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!xyzzy!not-for-mail From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Help for beginner X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39884860.3DB1F2A1@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <8m7bfk$rk2$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:12:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 40 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:218 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26263 "Paul.A.Bowden" wrote: > > > I wonder what my best next move would be? Forgive me if this is a really > stupid suggestion. But... > > Could I place a new brood box, with new frames and foundation, above the > existing one in the hope that the queen will eventually move up into the new > one and start laying there? Then, when new eggs confirm her presence in the > tope one, place a queen excluder between the two? And eventually, when the > brood in the 'old' box has hatched, dispose of the old and foul frames? > > As I say, this may be utterly daft .... I shan't do anything until I have > some sort of reaction from someone. > > > > Paul Well I hope it works as I am doing the exact same thing with a box of duraguilt foundation that the bees did a real hatchet job on drawing out. If I were you though I would get visual confirmation that the queen has moved up into the upper box before putting on that excluder - don't just go by the appearance of eggs. After I get two deeps of wired foundation drawn and the queen and brood in the upper boxes, I plan to move the burr-comb box above the inner cover with the telescoping cover on top to allow the bees to rob it out and move thier assets downstairs. I'm afraid I would set off a robbing frenzy if I just put those frames outside to be cleaned. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 26264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:20:23 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8ma502$m3f$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch> <965213534.149082@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p62.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965252930 22639 203.96.192.62 (2 Aug 2000 21:48:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:48:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26264 Hi me again here's a website on the honey that Martin-Paul is talking about http://chefshop.site.yahoo.net/chefshop/hugmieldepro1.html i thought from memory lavender honey is darker than most...? I might have been thinking of rewarewa perhaps anyway this is a nice site, there are some interesting recipes carman Neville Brook wrote in message news:965213534.149082@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Thanks Martin-Paul. I think we'll give it a go. > Cheers > Liz Brook > > "Martin-Paul Broennimann" wrote in message > news:8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch... > > Sure. In southern France lavender is widely cultivated and so is Miel de > > Lavande. > > Delicious. Very light in color, fine in taste. > > > > -- > > Best regards..... > > visit our website => www.broennimann.com > > Neville Brook a écrit dans le message : > > 965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > > Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get > > > Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as > > > Lavender honey? > > > Cheers and thanks > > > Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 26265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:55:29 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 98 Message-ID: <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p62.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965251410 22308 203.96.192.62 (2 Aug 2000 21:23:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:23:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26265 Neville Brook wrote in message news:965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Hi Carman > > > I don't exactly have a lavendar field as such so i can't really answer > your > > question, but we have planted a lot of lavender. This year i hope to get > > busy and plant a lot more... > We also have a lot of Lavender in our garden, but what we want to do is > plant a couple of acres of Lavender. that sounds just lovely !!!! i've seen some lavendar fields they look gorgeous there is an organic lavendar grower on the outskirts of Hamilton, I have been thinking about enquiring whether we can put a hive there....if we ever get to move them again. I seem to vaguely recall sampling a honey that was said to be high in lavendar nectar...from memory it was quite dark and strong in flavour > I want to know if this much Lavender > right next to the bees will produce honey that I can call Lavender honey. I > think it will be concentrated enough, but just wondered if anyone actually > knew. I don't know for sure but my theory is this...bees will travel up to 2kms to find forage, however if there is good forage close by then they wont travel uneccessarily. If bees have been travelling to a particular source of honey then they will often keep going to that source and 'telling' the others about it. Once the lavender is established it will be an excellent source of forage the bees should, in theory, stay pretty close to the source and if there isn't much else on the boundary of the lavendar then the chances are they will remain foraging at the lavender.... although if some of the bees are oriented to another source of nectar then they may continue to travel to that source. One way to ensure the bees do stay close to the lavender is to move a hive away off your property while the lavender is establishing. Then once it is established bring the hive back in again....the bees will initially be disoriented for a start and as they begin to do their orientation flights they should go straight to the lavenders. although this sounds like a lot of moving about and disturbance apparently it works. No matter what, if you plant a couple of acres, i'm sure the ultimate result will be that you will end up with high concentration of lavender, as new bees come out they should find good attraction to the lavender as they orient. Sounds like you have an excellent idea there.....i will have to visit just to see the blaze of blue glory. snip > > Some of the more experienced members are able to tell you what plant the > > honey is largely derived from, based on the colour and taste of the honey. > > It's really an amazing exercise to compare all the flavours and i look > > forward to this each year. > Yes we did this earlier this year after all the extracting. It was great > that the older beekeepers could tell me that one of my jars was definitely > Clover and the other jar was Pohutukawa. I look forward to the day when I > can do that by tasting and looking at the colour. Very clever. there is a guy who has pohutukawa honey on the 509 road in Whitianga ( or is it the 309 road?) well anyway it's an infamous bumpy road out there.... very pale honey, his bees just forage it in the bush. > For my very > first season I was given 1st prize. They judge on colour, taste and no > bubbles. I found the taste of the bush honeys wonderful, colour really > black and taste extremely strong. Real honey! our first season we got 2nd....but we are semi rural .. with little bushland and our honey was up against the guys from raglan hard to stack up against the bush honey > This spring/summer will be interesting beekeeping with Varroa won't it? oh boy.... I've got that same feeling you get just as you rise to the tip of the roller coaster you know .. the bit where you catch your breath and begin to freak out... (hehe) > Thanks for your post and thanks for yours looking forward to running barefoot thru your lavender fields....in slow motion ....with a long flowing gown rippling in the gentle breeze... trailing behind me > Cheers > Liz Brook > carman > Article 26266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:41:29 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965121003 22050 203.96.192.41 (1 Aug 2000 09:10:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2000 09:10:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26266 Hi Liz I don't exactly have a lavendar field as such so i can't really answer your question, but we have planted a lot of lavender. This year i hope to get busy and plant a lot more... We have a range of herbs growing at home and i'm absolutely convinced, without a doubt, that the various herbs create superior flavour honey. thusly my impetus to plant even more. I am wondering whether your beekeeping club have an annual taste test? Every year after the honey flow stops and all the spinning is complete, our club get together and have a competition, we all bring samples of our finest produce and they're placed on a central table, then we get out little ice cream sticks to sample each jar and we note down the top 3 in each category. It's fantasic fun and you get to sample the flavours from all over the region. Some of the more experienced members are able to tell you what plant the honey is largely derived from, based on the colour and taste of the honey. It's really an amazing exercise to compare all the flavours and i look forward to this each year. Do you have something similar? what about the rest of the globe... beekeepers from other countries do you have this type of annual get together? carman Neville Brook wrote in message news:965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get > Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as > Lavender honey? > Cheers and thanks > Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > Article 26267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re:Anyone going to EAS? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:06:53 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26267 ----- Original Message ----- From: scott spearman To: Teri Bachus Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:13 AM Subject: Re: re:Anyone going to EAS? Where is it located? better late than ever...salisbury, md....see web page at: http://iaa.umd.edu/mdbee/EAS2000.html Article 26268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:03:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26268 On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me with >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and has a >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is also >swollen. >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, but >I don't know if it helped. >What now? >Darrell > > > Throw the gloves away, stop wearing rings, and get stung some more. You will get used to it. beekeep Article 26269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <8lmjg8$lu2$2@news.wave.co.nz> <8lnish$t8i$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8losj7$7ur$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8lq47q$hrg$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8lu14t$gsk$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Breeding for Varroa resistence Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:09:53 -0700 Lines: 89 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust248.tnt6.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.17.248 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa08 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26269 This is kind of a 'which came first, the chicken or the egg' situation for me, because I am a hobby gardener. We had so few bees or other active pollinators around here, that many things were not doing as well as they should; in particular were peaches, which are temperamental in our area any way. They bloom early (February) and even though covered with blooms, would set almost no fruit. It was not uncommon to go all summer and see only one or two honeybees, so something that was blooming while the weather was still cool and the few bees there might be would not be venturing far from the hive, was just not getting pollinated. I had originally talked to a local beekeeper about keeping some hives out here, and he seemed quite interested, as we have a large eucalyptus grove adjacent to our property, but each year he was unable to bring any for one reason or another. so each year my peach trees were fruitless, among other things. I eventually tired of waiting for him to bring bees, so began researching what all was involved in keeping them myself. After a year or so of research I decided it was something I thought I could handle, so I took the plunge and got my first package. Now I have lots of peaches, but like you say, now I'm planting things thinking 'oh, the bees would like this', or ' that would be good for the bees', so rather than having bees for the plants, I'm also having plants for the bees! I plant for butterflies & birds as well. I enjoyed my bees a lot during the first 2 years, but I ended up with an ornery hive, and it took some of the fun out. She was a queen I got from another local bee keeper to replace one that I lost. The meanness got worse & worse, and where I once could go out and pull frames frequently to check them or show them to kids, I had to completely suit up before getting anywhere near these bees, and warned kids not to go near the hives. Not finding any reason for it, (the group told me how to identify skunk activity, which I didn't find) and it went on that way for almost a year, I just requeened that hive (the process that prompted my first visits to this group), with a buckfast queen. I guess in another few weeks I should know if they will again be gentler. I sure hope so. Oddly, I am seeing a great population of bumble bees as well, which I hadn't see before we kept bees here. I'm not sure why the bumble bee population has suddenly increased, but they are pretty cool, gentle critters, so I'm happy to see them too. I think that thought of an observation hive on a window is pretty cool. Where my husband works (farm & feed supply), they have an observation hive they lend out for various events so people can see & learn about the bees. It would be pretty fun to be able to watch the activities and the building, etc. that goes on on a regular basis. I don't know if it is something we'd be able to do, because the windows where something like that could be done here face north, so get absolutely no sun during the winter months. I wonder if the bees would be able to maintain enough warmth. Anyway, that sounds like a neat thing to do. How often do you visit to check/maintain the hives that are not at your home? Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "Carman" wrote in message news:8lu14t$gsk$1@news.wave.co.nz... > it is helpful to know about what flowers in your region.... ie the trees and > shrubs that are available for food sources throughout the year....if you > have a piece of land it is also helpful to plant lots of herbs and forage > trees... you'll never regret it > for example we have 3 hives at home ... here we have planted lots of > lavendar...sage...borage all sorts of things > we also have 7 hives at another location which is mainly farm land with > paddocks in clover and little else > The flavour of our honey extracted from the home hives is absolutely devine > !!! > while the 'away' stuff is somewhat bland and sweet but flavourless.... so > spend some time to observe what is growing in the area where your hives > are... and if possible situate your hoves where there are many interesting > and flavourful plants.. that will offer resources to the bees all year > around. > also a really excellent idea is to put a glass window on your house > somewhere and build a hive onto your house, or observatory.... so you can > look inside the hive from your house....or wherever... that is a dream of > mine one day to have an observation hive....there is a beekeeper on this ng > who has posted website with pictures of such hives...i have it saved in my > > carman > > > > -- Article 26270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <20000730214949.29434.00000588@ng-ba1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Breeding for Varroa resistence Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:25:55 -0700 Lines: 38 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust248.tnt6.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.17.248 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa08 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26270 Hi Tim, yes, I've used those traps. I was worried at first whether the bees would go in there. I bait with apple juice concentrate & the attractant they sell & I've never caught any other critter in it except a yellow jacket (not the paper wasps or mud daubers either). It does help to cut down on the population. I try to use them in the fall when the queens are out looking to set up new nests. that way I won't have quite as big a population of them the next year. those yellow jackets seem to really multiply around here & they chase the hummingbirds away from the feeders too! I can end up with 5 or 6 nests within the immediate area around my house, not counting what's out on the fields. The traps do seem very effective. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20000730214949.29434.00000588@ng-ba1.aol.com... > >they spent all day > >hanging outside the hives grabbing honey bees as they returned, and they were > >seemingly defenseless, > > Hey Niki, > I don't know if you have a lowe's Store near you, They have a Yellow Jacket > trap which come in a clear plaste bag and yellow cap. This stuff really works. > You don't even have to worry about Honeybee touch it because they don't like > it. Give it a try. > Tim Article 26271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Abdulaziz (asiray0a) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation ? Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:54:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <8m79t0$bp4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3980E77E.EC6790F7@winco.net><8ls2t9$f6r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8lv6k9$ln9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8m0fkd$ghs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8m4ps8$gld$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.18.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 01 19:54:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns1.anet.net.sa:8080 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.116.198.32, 212.26.18.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26271 I appreciate that but I am going to USA this Fall to continue my advance degree in Plastic Eng. in Ohio, Akron. Beside, I am looking for foundation has great number of cells per inch Sq. Thank you again Abdulaziz, abdulaziz_asiri@yahoo.com asiray0a@engineer.com In article <8m4ps8$gld$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, deelusbybeekeeper@my-deja.com wrote: > Hi. This is Dee Lusby. If you would like a few > sample sheets of smaller natural sized foundation > to make starter strips from for your swarms I > will need an address to send to. We use small > natural sized 4.9 foundation to alleviate > parasitic mite problems and their accompanying > secondary > diseases. > > sincerely: > Dee > Lusby > > In article > <8m0fkd$ghs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > Abdulaziz (asiray0a) > wrote: > > I am from Saudi Arabia. Yes I have access only > to the two end combs only but > > the inside combs I can not reach them unless I > cut the end one. The comb is > > circular. Abdulaziz > > > > In article , > > Barry Birkey wrote: > > > > From: Abdulaziz (asiray0a) deja.com> > > > > Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. > > > > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > > > Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:09:15 GMT > > > > Subject: Re: Foundation ? > > > > > > > > The reason behind the small size foundation > is as follows. > > > > > > > I would appreciate if you can help me with > this. > > > > > > What part of the world do you reside in? > > > > > > There are plans on the Beesource web site > called "Removeable Swarm Catching > > > Frame". This hinged frame, that opens like a > book, is designed to allow easy > > > capture of feral comb that can then be placed > into a conventional hive. > > > Designed by Dee Lusby, it's basically a split > frame that is wired on both > > > sides to hold comb in place. Once filled, the > frames are nailed together and > > > placed into a hive. > > > > > > Do you have access to the comb they built in > the hollow tree? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Barry > > > > > > -- > > > Webmeister > > > www.BeeSource.com > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:19:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.235.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 965161199 168.191.235.82 (Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:19:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:19:59 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26272 I'm not sure about that because in the distant past, while taking a swarm out of a building wall, I was stung many times and they were not as bad as mosquito bites. Then about two months ago, I got another hive out of a building and got stung five times. Those puffed a little but not bad. First week in July I was just nicked through the glove on a finger and that finger swelled pretty good. This time, the finger swelled to where I can't bend it and my whole hand is puffy. It seems to be getting worse with each sting. Darrell wrote in message news:39870293.882315@news1.radix.net... > On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" > wrote: > > >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me with > >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and has a > >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is also > >swollen. > >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, but > >I don't know if it helped. > >What now? > >Darrell > > > > > > > Throw the gloves away, stop wearing rings, and get stung some more. > You will get used to it. > > beekeep > Article 26273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul.A.Bowden" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help for beginner Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:20:29 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8m7bfk$rk2$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-85-138.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:219 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26273 I have been asked to take over the long-neglected hives of a recently deceased elderly beekeeper and am very keen to do so, both because it's been a long-standing interest (though one fuelled by reading more than the really useful practical experience) and because I don't want to see this old gentleman's (he was 98 when he died!) colonies die out. I would be very grateful for advice, however. There are two colonies which cause me much the same problems. Both appear very strong, with masses of bees entering with pollen and so on. However, both have been left or allowed to become (not by the late beekeeper, I am sure) more or less as follows - the brood box is situated directly above an empty super, with the result that the brood comb extends well below the bottom edge of the frame down into the space below; - in both cases, the brood frames and comb are in a real mess - both on the tops of the frames (which I can easily clean with a hive tool) and in that, because of uneven placing and lack of management, many combs are more or less completely joined by brace comb. I wonder what my best next move would be? Forgive me if this is a really stupid suggestion. But... Could I place a new brood box, with new frames and foundation, above the existing one in the hope that the queen will eventually move up into the new one and start laying there? Then, when new eggs confirm her presence in the tope one, place a queen excluder between the two? And eventually, when the brood in the 'old' box has hatched, dispose of the old and foul frames? As I say, this may be utterly daft .... I shan't do anything until I have some sort of reaction from someone. If it helps, my location is rural - a village in the East Midlands of England (in Lincolnshire.) I shall be very grateful for any advice or suggestions. Paul Article 26274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Javier Soto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb - Actualizacion Agosto 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:25:42 +0200 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.77.136 Message-ID: <3987324e$1_4@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 1 Aug 2000 22:25:50 +0100, 195.5.77.136 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.77.136 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26274 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, ha sido actualizada el 1 de Agosto del 2000. http://www.agroweb-hispana.com Este mes hemos actualizado todas nuestras secciones: @groEscuela Con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación, plagas del algodón y una ponencia del congreso Hispano-Luso de Agricultura de Conservación. Elevándose la cifra actual a 86 documentos técnicos @groPreguntas Ha vuelto a ser el sitio de encuentro para personas que buscan información agrícola. Hemos rediseñado el tablón de consultas para darle una imagen más personalizada. @groNoticias 78 noticias del sector para estar bien informados, de las cuales la mitad están ya en castellano. @groEnlaces Hemos añadido 89 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a casi 2.380. Hemos revisado todos los enlaces para su perfecto funcionamiento y estamos creando un buscador agrícola y ganadero para páginas hispanas. Además hemos clasificados los enlaces por paises. @groCursos Con interesantes y numerosas novedades, alcanza la cifra de 119 cursos, jornadas, congresos y otros eventos clasificados. @groForo Gran acogida ha tenido nuestro foro Hispanao de Agricultura y ganadería, ya somos 50 personas los que lo formamos, en este escaso tiempo de funcionamiento. Article 26275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: propolis Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:00:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.129.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 965163659 204.186.129.27 (Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:00:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:00:59 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26275 I worked on processing propolis for awhile. The process I used to make powder or clean chunks goes as follows: 1: I freeze the propolis chunks. 2: Remove the chunks and put them in a burlap bag and crush them into smaller chunks. 3: Place the chunks into cold water to float out pieces of wood, dead bees, etc.) 4: Dry the Propolis on a wire screen. 5: When dry spread the chunks out on a table then go over top of the chunks with a magnet to remove any metal fragments. 6: Inspect the chunks for any other contaminates. 7: If you want to make powder, I first grind the chunks and then add 10% carob powder to it powdered. 8: To dissolve it use 190 proof alcohol. You can avoid all of the work above by dissolving the chunks in alcohol and filtering out the contaminates then evaporating the alcohols out. Put the filter and evaporator needed in expensive. Best of luck to you! Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Wendy and Walter wrote in message news:r6eg5.15868$5N1.557389@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hunting info on processing propolis - just purchased 2 traps, would like to > process it myself? Any ideas, comments? > > Thanks, > Walt > > Article 26276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:19:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8m7ete$ftj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.88 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 01 21:19:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.88 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26276 > "Darrell Gehlsen"wrote: > It seems to be getting worse with each sting. > Darrell >Darrell ************************************************ Howdy Darrell -- I have noticed that the poison from old bees is much more potent than that from young bees. Also -- stressed bees (like the ones trapped in honey during extracting time) have more potent poison. You might catch a bee by the wings and make her sting you, but scrape out the stinger immediately. This might help diagnose the problem as to whether you are actually becoming more sensitive to the sting poison. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!news.bel.alcatel.be!not-for-mail From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Arthritis Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:13:50 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3986E92E.27C8D406@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <8lnmin$88o$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <397ffcd3.37802735@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bt02e2.god.bel.alcatel.be 965142830 8211 138.203.32.35 (1 Aug 2000 15:13:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2000 15:13:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26277 honeybs@radix.net wrote: > . > Women suddenly getting pregnant is also a side effect of the bee > stings! > Is it possible that this also applies to men ? Although my wife has never been stung by a bee, I have five kids. cheers, Hugo (half a bee) ps. I do not have arthritus. -- Hugo Thone do bee do bee do ... IBM GLOBAL SERVICES (\ email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 Article 26278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:52:56 +0100 Message-ID: <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 965260658 nnrp-13:17444 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26278 In article <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >I don't know for sure but my theory is this...bees will travel up to 2kms to >find forage, They will travel a lot more than that when there is good forage. Prof Ratnieks at Sheffield found they went 11km to the heather. Students calibrated the dances. I will check the distance and post some more info when I get time. snip 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for lavender as I don't have them in front of me. A Book of Honey Bees & Beekeeping Honey: A Comprehensive Survey I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially in warm climates!! -- James Kilty Article 26279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:52:14 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8maode$qsa$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p42.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965272814 27530 203.96.192.42 (3 Aug 2000 03:20:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2000 03:20:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26279 all good points James An important issue, which relates to what you you have said, the lavender will cease to flower when it's out of season and then the bees will travel to other forage sources anyway, no matter how big the property. We have tried to plant so the bees can have good forage all year round, and we have also done some forage spotting in our neighbourhood to observe what else is about. a neighbour planted massive shelterbelts of native hedging .. some of which is very desirable for the bees, so he did us a huge favour without even knowing it. He mainly planted the natives to bring in the Tui which is a native bird that also likes to forage on native trees. We are also fortunate to have willow on neighbouring properties that surround us. But the main point being, the lavender would only flower at certain times and so Liz, for higher lavender content, you would need to be vigilant and spin the frames at peak lavender flowering season. I think that is part of the fun. Quite often each hive in an apiary will often have different flavours inside them, when the bees discover alternative sources so some hives, even some frames, can be more flavourful than the rest. As i said that is part of the fun really....like a lucky dip (hehe) never know what will come out carman James Kilty wrote in message news:+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >I don't know for sure but my theory is this...bees will travel up to 2kms to > >find forage, > They will travel a lot more than that when there is good forage. Prof > Ratnieks at Sheffield found they went 11km to the heather. Students > calibrated the dances. I will check the distance and post some more info > when I get time. > snip > 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what > is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for > different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for > lavender as I don't have them in front of me. > A Book of Honey > Bees & Beekeeping > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey > I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially > in warm climates!! > -- > James Kilty Article 26280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks Lee's Bees! Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:24:03 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8maoe6$r5i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-59.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 965272838 27826 209.130.165.59 (3 Aug 2000 03:20:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2000 03:20:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26280 What a nice surprise to see this neat little "box of bees" in the mail! My daughter loves them and has fun playing with them. Thanks Lee. --Busybee Article 26281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bigdude3211@aol.com (BigDude3211) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Breeding for Varroa resistence Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 2000 04:07:15 GMT References: <8lmjg8$lu2$2@news.wave.co.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000803000715.06139.00000398@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26281 I believe that several comercial bee breeders in the US have been pursuing this route to mite resistance, with no consistant results. One thing to remember when you breed bees to enhance certain traits you also end up with several traits that for whatever reason are related. From personal observation with Italian bees breeding for cleanliness you also bringout aggressiveness, so you end up with a hive of "ornery" bees. Which for some beekeepers is counter productive. Will somone end up being sucessful following this line? Probably, however will we end up with queens that all beekeepers will want to use? No. We already know that we can breed queens that are generally resistant to AFB, but do most beekeepers use them? Good luck all Article 26282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!freenet-b!fen!fen.baynet.de!ua843 From: ua843@fen.baynet.de (Adalbert Goertz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: book Date: 3 Aug 2000 04:14:18 GMT Organization: Freenet Erlangen-Nuernberg-Fuerth Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8mariq$8cf$1@freenet-b.fen.baynet.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet-a.fen.baynet.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: freenet-b.fen.baynet.de 965276058 8591 194.95.193.11 (3 Aug 2000 04:14:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@fen.baynet.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2000 04:14:18 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26282 offer books for trade. see my website http//www.cyberspace.org/~goertz/ins.html -- -- ** Adalbert & Barbel Goertz ** ph 719-390-1088 ** Fax 419-730-9013 -- --- retired in Colorado Springs, (Colorado is a state of mind) --- German web hosting/Deutsche Web-Betreuung http://www.cyberspace.org/~goertz/web.html Article 26283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hobby Beekeeping in the UK ..? and small observation hives Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:38:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8lj7js$rg4$2@news.wave.co.nz> <8llufp$rgt$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8m2kkc$per$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 965202859 nnrp-07:8037 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26283 In article <8m2kkc$per$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >I'm hoping the present crisis doensn't impact enthusiam too hard over >here....especially in the event that our hobbyists are an aging crew. We have all ages of entry from about 30. snip >Like the bees had a mesmerising effect and they stood staring at the bees >for considerable lengths of time. The observation hives are soooo popular. snip >unfortunatel with the present crisis I wont be able to rtansport glass >observation hives round the expos etc. Surely within it using bees that stay in and outside with bees that originated outside? I must pluck up the courage to set one up. I am thinking about using an old queen I have just replaced and using a 2-frame hive. I will have to ensure that a permanent site can actually be managed. I have a "Bee Centre" in a hut and opening the hive is not possible, though I suppose I could detach it and open it up outside so long as there is a trap for returning bees so visitors won't get stray bees. Has anyone any experience of a small permanent observation hive? I need tips to help me take the step. I presume the main problem would be taking away excess bees from time to time. -- James Kilty Article 26284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!helios.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8lhvkt$sfq$1@gxsn.com> <8lihj7$t8n$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8lii2l$8co$1@gxsn.com> <8lkh89$b2u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <397DD6B0.87B641B6@nospam.boeing.com> <8ll562$nr2$1@gxsn.com> Subject: Re: badgers Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:57:57 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3987f0b6$0$229@helios.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.96.1.66 X-Trace: helios.is.co.za 965210294 229 192.96.1.66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26284 We have them in Africa as well with the same disastrous consequences. We usually strap our hives to keep them out. Strapping is done for baboons as well. Cheers Glen "Christopher Dainton" wrote in message news:8ll562$nr2$1@gxsn.com... > You bet > Lots of badgers here in the UK > Big debate as to whether they should be protected or culled > Went to a badger watch last week > Saw 12 at a protected badger set > Fascinating > Dont think Ill keep bees near that place though > > Perhaps my friend will put a small fence around his nuc box and see how it > goes > Cheers > Chris > > > >This is OT but I am curious. Are there badgers in the UK? I thought they > >were a product of the Americas. > > > > Article 26285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-64.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:50:20 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965213481 203.96.152.26 (Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:51:21 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:51:21 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26285 Hi Carman > I don't exactly have a lavendar field as such so i can't really answer your > question, but we have planted a lot of lavender. This year i hope to get > busy and plant a lot more... We also have a lot of Lavender in our garden, but what we want to do is plant a couple of acres of Lavender. I want to know if this much Lavender right next to the bees will produce honey that I can call Lavender honey. I think it will be concentrated enough, but just wondered if anyone actually knew. > I am wondering whether your beekeeping club have an annual taste test? > Every year after the honey flow stops and all the spinning is complete, our > club get together and have a competition, we all bring samples of our finest > produce and they're placed on a central table, then we get out little ice > cream sticks to sample each jar and we note down the top 3 in each > category. It's fantasic fun and you get to sample the flavours from all over > the region. > Some of the more experienced members are able to tell you what plant the > honey is largely derived from, based on the colour and taste of the honey. > It's really an amazing exercise to compare all the flavours and i look > forward to this each year. Yes we did this earlier this year after all the extracting. It was great that the older beekeepers could tell me that one of my jars was definitely Clover and the other jar was Pohutukawa. I look forward to the day when I can do that by tasting and looking at the colour. Very clever. For my very first season I was given 1st prize. They judge on colour, taste and no bubbles. I found the taste of the bush honeys wonderful, colour really black and taste extremely strong. Real honey! This spring/summer will be interesting beekeeping with Varroa won't it? Thanks for your post Cheers Liz Brook Article 26286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965213534.149082@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-64.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:51:32 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965213553 203.96.152.26 (Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:52:33 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:52:33 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26286 Thanks Martin-Paul. I think we'll give it a go. Cheers Liz Brook "Martin-Paul Broennimann" wrote in message news:8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch... > Sure. In southern France lavender is widely cultivated and so is Miel de > Lavande. > Delicious. Very light in color, fine in taste. > > -- > Best regards..... > visit our website => www.broennimann.com > Neville Brook a écrit dans le message : > 965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get > > Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as > > Lavender honey? > > Cheers and thanks > > Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > Article 26287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!finch!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!tattler!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39880B63.3A522F32@gsu.edu> From: "James D. Satterfield" Reply-To: jsatt@gsu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hobby Beekeeping in the UK ..? and small observation hives References: <8lj7js$rg4$2@news.wave.co.nz> <8llufp$rgt$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8m2kkc$per$1@news.wave.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:52:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.150.71 X-Trace: tattler 965217119 131.96.150.71 (Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:51:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:51:59 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26287 James, check out the top bar observation hive on my website. You will find that it works very well: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.208778N, -084.505859W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm TARSUS: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/tarsus/tarsus.htm 848th AC&W Sqdn, Det 45: http://www.po8.com/det45 Article 26288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.germany.net!fr.clara.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Graham Read" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8m7bfk$rk2$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Help for beginner Lines: 72 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:20:48 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.9.32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 965222794 62.252.9.32 (Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:26:34 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:26:34 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26288 Paul Welcome to beekeeping ! If you haven't already I'd suggest getting in touch with a local club, there's bound to be a beekeeper near you who'd be happy to give you some help I'm sure. Try: LINCOLNSHIRE association contact: Mrs A Holderness, 01529 302774 (email ) Info taken from British Beekeepers Association web site: www.bbka.demon.co.uk Best of luck Graham (Hampshire, UK) ============================= Paul.A.Bowden wrote in message news:8m7bfk$rk2$1@plutonium.btinternet.com... > I have been asked to take over the long-neglected hives of a recently > deceased elderly beekeeper and am very keen to do so, both because it's been > a long-standing interest (though one fuelled by reading more than the really > useful practical experience) and because I don't want to see this old > gentleman's (he was 98 when he died!) colonies die out. > > I would be very grateful for advice, however. > > There are two colonies which cause me much the same problems. Both appear > very strong, with masses of bees entering with pollen and so on. > > However, both have been left or allowed to become (not by the late > beekeeper, I am sure) more or less as follows > > - the brood box is situated directly above an empty super, with the result > that the brood comb extends well below the bottom edge of the frame down > into the space below; > > - in both cases, the brood frames and comb are in a real mess - both on the > tops of the frames (which I can easily clean with a hive tool) and in that, > because of uneven placing and lack of management, many combs are more or > less completely joined by brace comb. > > I wonder what my best next move would be? Forgive me if this is a really > stupid suggestion. But... > > Could I place a new brood box, with new frames and foundation, above the > existing one in the hope that the queen will eventually move up into the new > one and start laying there? Then, when new eggs confirm her presence in the > tope one, place a queen excluder between the two? And eventually, when the > brood in the 'old' box has hatched, dispose of the old and foul frames? > > As I say, this may be utterly daft .... I shan't do anything until I have > some sort of reaction from someone. > > If it helps, my location is rural - a village in the East Midlands of > England (in Lincolnshire.) > > I shall be very grateful for any advice or suggestions. > > Paul > > Article 26289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:12:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.237.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965344372 24.92.237.175 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:12:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:12:52 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26289 Pete wrote: > Has anyone seen results of any reseach as to what percentage of > hopelessly queenless colonies will develop laying workers ? > > I had always assumed that it always happens, but I have seen evidence > that in some cases it may not. Hmm. Haven't ever read anything about this in particular, but it is an interesting question. In my meager experience, a queenless colony always develops laying workers after a couple months anyway, if they have no eggs from which to rear a queen. I mean, I've never seen them just die off without developing laying workers first. Another interesting behavior I have noted MANY times is that some years, late in the season, in large colonies where the queen is restricted to the lower chambers by an excluder, laying workers will start rearing drones way up in the stack of honey supers. Even though the colony is queenright. It tends to happen in Aug/Sept, say, around the time of the goldenrod and aster nectar flows, at least here in central NY. It can be kind of frustrating when you go to harvest honey supers, and there is drone brood up there from the laying workers. Wonder if anyone else has seen this occur too, in any regular way... j Article 26290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:53:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8md0ma$l9l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 03 23:53:47 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26290 > JGinNY wrote: > Hmm. Haven't ever read anything about this in particular, but it is > an interesting question. In my meager experience, a queenless colony >always develops laying workers after a couple months anyway, if they >have no eggs from which to rear a queen. I mean, I've never seen them >just die off without developing >laying workers first. > > Another interesting behavior I have noted MANY times is that some >years, late in the season, in large colonies where the queen is >restricted to the lower chambers by an excluder, laying workers will >start rearing drones way up in the stack of honey supers. Even though >the colony is queenright. It tends to happen in Aug/Sept, say, around >the time of the goldenrod and aster nectar flows, at least here in >central NY. > > It can be kind of frustrating when you go to harvest honey supers, and > there is drone brood up there from the laying workers. > Wonder if anyone else has seen this occur too, in any regular way... *********************************************************** How JG -- Very intresting about laying workers deveoping upstairs. I have not seen this, but will be watching for it. I had a strong spring colony which swarmed, then stored a fair amount of spring honey. Dwindling quickly so that only a hand full of workers were left. All comb clean and in good condition. No dead brood, No laying workers. It's just as if the family let all the kids emerge and then just shucked out. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0226.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:57:41 -0500 Organization: Frankenstein Face, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <965354447.1613398485@news.CIS.DFN.DE> References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0226.nts-online.net (216.167.131.226) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 965354442 6452890 216.167.131.226 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: KRN http://ultra7.unl.edu.ar Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26291 >In my meager experience, a queenless colony always develops laying workers Mine too. They will always have someone laying something sooner or later, never fails. C.K. Article 26292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965283113.695485@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-110.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:02:43 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965283133 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:13 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:13 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26292 > looking forward to running barefoot thru your lavender fields....in slow > motion ....with a long flowing gown rippling in the gentle breeze... > trailing behind me > I'll have to plant the lavender just to complete the picture! Cheers Liz Article 26293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965283114.670397@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-110.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:06:33 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965283133 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:13 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:13 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26293 > 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what > is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for > different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for > lavender as I don't have them in front of me. Hi James, I know 2 acres isn't much for the bees, but it's just a venture to see if I can produce some different honey. I only have 3 1/2 hives here at home so we're not talking mega hives or anything. The only lavender honey I've come across is where the lavender flower heads are soaked in the honey. Seems a shame to call this lavender honey. I'd like to try the real stuff and if we can produce some essential oil and dried heads as well, then even better. > A Book of Honey > Bees & Beekeeping > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey > I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially > in warm climates!! > -- > James Kilty Thanks James Article 26294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> <8maode$qsa$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965283115.680943@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-110.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:09:47 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965283135 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:15 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:15 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26294 Carman wrote: > But the main point being, the lavender would only flower at certain times > and so Liz, for higher lavender content, you would need to be vigilant and > spin the frames at peak lavender flowering season. > > I think that is part of the fun. Quite often each hive in an apiary will > often have different flavours inside them, when the bees discover > alternative sources so some hives, even some frames, can be more > flavourful than the rest. > As i said that is part of the fun really....like a lucky dip > (hehe) never know what will come out > carma Hi Carman, Yep, the idea is to harvest at the time of the flow and not wait till it is finished, and that way we'll get some honey that is definitely lavender. We have a good selection of bush and pasture nectars here, so the bees will mix of course. It'll be fun and that's the main thing. > > James Kilty wrote in message > news:+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk... > > In article <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > > writes > > >I don't know for sure but my theory is this...bees will travel up to 2kms > to > > >find forage, > > They will travel a lot more than that when there is good forage. Prof > > Ratnieks at Sheffield found they went 11km to the heather. Students > > calibrated the dances. I will check the distance and post some more info > > when I get time. > > snip > > 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what > > is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for > > different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for > > lavender as I don't have them in front of me. > > A Book of Honey > > Bees & Beekeeping > > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey > > I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially > > in warm climates!! > > -- > > James Kilty > > Article 26295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mark Hale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8lhvkt$sfq$1@gxsn.com> <8lihj7$t8n$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8lii2l$8co$1@gxsn.com> <8lkh89$b2u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <397DD6B0.87B641B6@nospam.boeing.com> <8ll562$nr2$1@gxsn.com> <3987f0b6$0$229@helios.is.co.za> Subject: Re: badgers Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:38:27 +0200 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: pta-dial-196-31-189-191.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <398913f7.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 3 Aug 2000 08:40:55 +0200, pta-dial-196-31-189-191.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!pta-dial-196-31-189-191.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26295 The African Badger is a very aggresive animal, I have seen it fight off 2 adult female lions. So it is definatly not an animal to mess with. If it wants to get to your hives there is almost nothing you can do, electric fences do work some times, the only other option is a concrete hive. I have hear BUT not tried this solution. Badgers are very teritorial, and will not venture into a marked area. Apparently if you are brave enough to MARK your hives (as an animal would) the Badger will stay away. Due to our bees nature I have not tried this method. Regards Mark Hale From not so dark Africa Hosts Apimondia 2001 http://www.apimondia2001.com/ Article 26296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!nntp.ece.cmu.edu!xxxx1.sei.cmu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0865.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update Va. Killer bees Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:06:42 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20000720164912.01998.00000409@ng-bj1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0865.nts-online.net (216.167.135.229) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 965416002 1531628 216.167.135.229 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26296 >or wasp, not to panic. There are lots of things out there," he said, "that >are not killer bees." Dateline Amarillo, Tx. Two boys 'attacked' and stung by Killer bees? (after throwing a rock) Local peasants in uproar. Police, Fire fighters, and 'expert' from Animal Control dispatched to scene. Police and Fire fighters remain on location until 'expert' identifies wasps on small nest; officially declared 'not a threat.' Boys taken to hospital treated and released. Beekeeper gets calls from frantic people who are adults in a country with 12 years of free education that cannot tell a paper wasp's 'nest' a 'Cicada Killer' or a bumblebee from Shinola. C.K. Article 26297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:51:34 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <398ACA66.B89446FA@okstate.edu> References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26297 JGinNY wrote: snip... > Another interesting behavior I have noted MANY times is that some years, > late in the season, in large colonies where the queen is restricted to the > lower chambers by an excluder, laying workers will start rearing drones > way up in the stack of honey supers. Even though the colony is > queenright. It tends to happen in Aug/Sept, say, around the time of the > goldenrod and aster nectar flows, at least here in central NY. > > snip... > > Wonder if anyone else has seen this occur too, in any regular way... > > j Just happened to me. Very strong hive of buckfast with two full deep broods, queen excluder and 3 full honey supers on top. Checked a week before and all was fine, pulled the supers next week and WaaaLaaa! instant drone brood. Only thing I can surmise is that the workers in the supers are so far away from the queen's pheromones that they start their own colony. The super the worker was laying in though was the bottom one of the three, right next to the excluder. When I checked for the queen...she was in the bottom brood way over on one side. And was not laying as well as she had this spring. In fact she's two years old and I already have split the hive and her replacement is in the split. We shall see how things turn out. Gary J. Article 26298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:54:12 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <398ACB04.B87544CF@okstate.edu> References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26298 JGinNY wrote: snip... > Another interesting behavior I have noted MANY times is that some years, > late in the season, in large colonies where the queen is restricted to the > lower chambers by an excluder, laying workers will start rearing drones > way up in the stack of honey supers. Even though the colony is > queenright. It tends to happen in Aug/Sept, say, around the time of the > goldenrod and aster nectar flows, at least here in central NY. > > snip... > > Wonder if anyone else has seen this occur too, in any regular way... > > j Just happened to me. Very strong hive of buckfast with two full deep broods, queen excluder and 3 full honey supers on top. Checked a week before and all was fine, pulled the supers next week and WaaaLaaa! instant drone brood. Only thing I can surmise is that the workers in the supers are so far away from the queen's pheromones that they start their own colony. The super the worker was laying in though was the bottom one of the three, right next to the excluder. When I checked for the queen...she was in the bottom brood way over on one side. And was not laying as well as she had this spring. In fact she's two years old and I already have split the hive and her replacement is in the split. We shall see how things turn out. Gary J. Article 26299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0865.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:35:06 -0500 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9k1mos4sfj8tmnd0a42vpilke35od5vfkl@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0865.nts-online.net (216.167.135.229) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 965414106 6676608 216.167.135.229 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26299 >You can avoid all of the work above by dissolving the chunks in alcohol I use regular window screen (aluminum not fiberglas) stretched on a frame that becomes the top of the hive. (inner cover if you want) Some bees deposit a lot of propolis on this screen, if it's close to the top of the frames, that is a bee space. If the distance is greater, they ignore it. If you want to produce a lot of propolis get Carniolans (midnights) they will propolis up everything. I 'harvest' propolis by replacing the full screen with a new one and putting it in the freezer. Lay down a sheet of newspaper and 'wad' up the (frozen) metal screen, all the propolis will fall unto the paper neatly sized already. Of debris and trash there isn't much. I pour all this into a quart jar and fill with 'everclear' (90%) ethanol. A rich golden transparent tincture results with the undesolvables in a residue at the bottom of the jar. After you've added the alcohol to the propolis 'chunks' you need to shake once a day for about 5 days then allow the mix to settle. Decant the tincture into little dropper bottles, or something more grand. After reading the informative and entertaining book: 'The Miracle of Propolis' by Mitja Vosnjak (ISBN 072250408 X) 1978 I don't think being concerned about what concentration to have is important. The book invites us to believe that Propolis in any concentration beats interferon in test every time. If you need to feel a concentration must be strong to be 'effective' then mix one volume of propolis crystals to two of alcohol. That will make a strong tincture and leave you enough to decant. C.K. p.s. last year there was a more detailed letter regarding Mr. Vosnjak's book which if it wasn't 'deleted' by censorious geeks, should still be in the archives. http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/sci.agriculture.beekeeping/ Article 26300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:25:36 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8mbbud$vpg$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> <965283114.670397@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p94.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965292813 32560 203.96.192.94 (3 Aug 2000 08:53:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2000 08:53:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26300 Neville Brook wrote in message news:965283114.670397@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > > 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what > > is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for > > different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for > > lavender as I don't have them in front of me. > > Hi James, > I know 2 acres isn't much for the bees, but it's just a venture to see if I > can produce some different honey. I only have 3 1/2 hives here at home so > we're not talking mega hives or anything. > > The only lavender honey I've come across is where the lavender flower heads > are soaked in the honey. Seems a shame to call this lavender honey. it's like false advertising i started a wine making course this week thought it might be a good way to use up some excess honey and fruit and i was reading a recipe this evening for lavender wine it reminded me of this thread one of our beekeepers makes the most excellent feijoa mead well gotta go and melt some wax carman >I'd > like to try the real stuff and if we can produce some essential oil and > dried heads as well, then even better. > > > A Book of Honey > > Bees & Beekeeping > > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey > > I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially > > in warm climates!! > > -- > > James Kilty > > Thanks James > > Article 26301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 216.67.28.159 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: bee attractant? CO2 exhalation? Lines: 13 From: pat mitchel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <102dbb40.d2a789b7@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com> Bytes: 470 X-Wren-Trace: eK6Lo6K7/Lb9/ruypr3+8Jy1sb+mq+e05aGuoOfo5rjv/rnh8rb18ff2 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:20:54 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.36 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 965302549 10.0.2.36 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:35:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:35:49 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26301 What is it that attracts bees to humans when the bees feels that their hive is under attack? I seem to recall reading that it was the co2 that is exhaled by attacker. If that is so, could not a small device using a co2 cartidge be made to draw the bees away from the human target? Regards Pat ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com Article 26302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee attractant? CO2 exhalation? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:28:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8mbs15$n8v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <102dbb40.d2a789b7@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.177 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 03 13:28:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.177 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26302 In article <102dbb40.d2a789b7@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com>, pat mitchel wrote: > What is it that attracts bees to humans when the bees feels that > their hive is under attack? I seem to recall reading that it was > the co2 that is exhaled by attacker. If that is so, could not a > small device using a co2 cartidge be made to draw the bees away > from the human target? Regards Pat > Good idea Pat, and you're right about the human breath. I saw a special on TV a few months ago where a man breathed out through a long hose and was able to open a hive of african bees without disturbing them. As I recall he even approached from the front of the hive. But I suspect your plan wouldn't work because the co2 wouldn't necessarily draw the bees away. If it is the co2 that alarms them, once they were alarmed they would then be looking for the source of the alarm. A moving human would be a better candidate than a co2 cartridge. What I do is use a little smoke, very little, wait a couple of minutes, and then try to make sure I don't make any sudden moves as I work the hives. I also rub some honey on my hands before removing any frames. Sometimes I get stung anyway, but most of the time this works. It helps to respect their home. I try to remember that I'm a visitor in their home and act accordingly. Yesterday I opened 6 hives using this technique and didn't get stung once. I removed some supers and pulled out frames for inspection without the bees getting upset. I wore a veil over my face but no gloves and was wearing a T-shirt. Only my hands were rubbed with honey, not my bare arms. All of this is because year before last. when we started keeping bees, an old beekeeper told us that the secret to working with bees is to keep them from realizing that anything is going on. Sincerely, Herb Campbell Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:07:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 107 Message-ID: <8mbuan$p7d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> <39882C13.956C243C@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.214 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 03 14:07:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.214 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26303 Darrell, Billy and Beekeep are right. You need more stings. Year before last and early last year I had some severe swelling from bee stings so I set out to get immune to them. This was a necessity because as Beekeep said, accidents do happen. I knew it was just a matter of time before I would do something stupid if I was going to keep bees. Plenty of bee stings is cheap insurance. And speaking of cheap, I try to always use crawling bees that are near the end of their life anyway when I purposely get stings to maintain my immunity. I try to get at least one to five a day. So far this year I've been stung 1176 times and am fairly immune to them now. In 1998 one sting on a finger caused my hand and arm up to the elbow to swell about 3 times normal size and it was painful for over a week. Day before yesterday my daughter and I removed an open air colony from a limb about 35 feet up in an oak tree and I got stung 13 times, once on the end of my nose and a couple on my neck, with no ill effects - except for the initial pain, of course. There are other benefits besides the peace of mind and insurance. Bee venom strengthens our immune system and is probably good for arthritis and many other ailments. Many of the stings I get on purpose are on my lower back and my previous chronic lower back pain has been gone for over a year now. By the way venom potency can vary drastically between bees from the same hive for many reasons. One is that guard bees, who are in the prime of their life, have more potent venom than older or younger bees. So even now I will occasionally get a sting that hurts and swells more than usual. Sincerely, Herb Campbell In article <39882C13.956C243C@nospam.boeing.com>, "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > Thought I would add my own experience as I am a first year newbie. After my > first initiation in early June which consisted of some 15-20 stings all within > a few seconds of each other, I started wearing a bee suit but not gloves. Since > then I get on average 1 sting a week, usually on my hand. I got my latest one > over the last weekend and for the first time experienced no pain after the > initial sting subsided, no swelling, and best of all, no itching! I think I am > finally starting to build an immunity after two months. > > Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > > I'm not sure about that because in the distant past, while taking a swarm > > out of a building wall, I was stung many times and they were not as bad as > > mosquito bites. Then about two months ago, I got another hive out of a > > building and got stung five times. Those puffed a little but not bad. First > > week in July I was just nicked through the glove on a finger and that finger > > swelled pretty good. This time, the finger swelled to where I can't bend it > > and my whole hand is puffy. > > It seems to be getting worse with each sting. > > Darrell > > > > wrote in message news:39870293.882315@news1.radix.net... > > > On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" > > > wrote: > > > > > > >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me > > with > > > >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and > > has a > > > >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is > > also > > > >swollen. > > > >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, > > but > > > >I don't know if it helped. > > > >What now? > > > >Darrell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Throw the gloves away, stop wearing rings, and get stung some more. > > > You will get used to it. > > > > > > beekeep > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: 3 Aug 2000 16:05:37 GMT Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8mc58h$7sa$0@208.249.8.75> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.249.8.75 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26304 On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me with >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and has a >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is also >swollen. >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, but >I don't know if it helped. >What now? >Darrell Reactions to bee stings vary greatly. I've read that even alergy/bee sting tests can't predict 100% how you will react to you next bee sting. Some people become more resistant, some become more sensitive. Some can go for years with little reaction, then react badly to a single sting. (A local bekeeper's wife I've talked to had not problems for years, then had a sudden anafalaxic (sp?) reaction to a sting) Personally I find my reaction depends mostly on where (on my body) I get stung. If I get stung on my fingers or hand, my hand swells (painfully sometimes like it's going to burst) and inches. I react similarly to stings on the soft parts of my face. I was stung under the eye and it swelled shut. This swelling goes away in about two days. I do find if I take benedryl immediately after I get stung, the affect is lessened somewhat. Elsewhere on the body, legs, arms, back, neck, behind the ears, top of my head, is is little more than a mosquito bite or a sore bruise. Needless to say I simply don't work without gloves and a veil. I can go out in just a long sleave shirt and jeans, and sometimes don't even use smoke on a good day when I'm just checking under the cover, but I simply can't work without the gloves. -Tim Article 26305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398B2E02.4D10@wp.bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees work soybeans? References: <8m81cd$t5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:56:34 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 965422762 147.226.103.42 (Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:59:22 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:59:22 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26305 jduncan57@my-deja.com wrote: > > I live in western Pa. and have just started two hives this summer. I > live near a farm that has several acres of soybeans. Do honey bees work > on this crop? And does it make a good honey? It will soon blossom and > would be a good nectar source before the goldenrod flow. Thanks in > advance for any answers. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Yes, bees do work on soybeans. I went to a conference a few years ago at Purdue University and a research agronomist gave a talk on this. There are certain soybean varieties that bees tend to work over others. This agronomist felt that southern Indiana had a better potential for making honey over the northern Indiana due to length of day and photoperiod. I harvest some soybean honey and is usually mixed in with clover honey. The blend is good tasting. Straight soybean honey has a bit of a strange flavor. Reminds me of the taste of a raw soybean. Different taste, but not necessarily bad. Article 26306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:04:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 965430248 24.112.111.157 (Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:04:08 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:04:08 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26306 I purchased a retiring beekeepers entire stock of goods in the spring. There are 16 hive bodies, with some filled comb, some de-capped comb and some with empty frames. His hives were infested with wax-moth damage, and so I am not using them. The problem is that the wax moth are back in force. The boxes are in my garage, and there are zillions of moths! Any ideas on solving this problem? Will napthalene moth balls do the trick or should I use something else? I am eventually going to render the wax, so I don't care if the comb is damaged. Any advice appreciated. Regards, Glen Archer. Article 26307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398B5AED.29B9F1C3@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeCool Hive Ventilators References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:08:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 965433925 208.13.202.244 (Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:05:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:05:25 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26307 I do believe I would spend the $125 on another colony of bees, and not some contraption supposed to ventilate a colony of bees better than the bees do it themselves. Ron Reil wrote: > I read with interested the comments about the "BeeCool Ventilator" in the > latest "Bee Culture", and am considering buying one. I would be very > interested in any comments from anyone who has tried them on their own > hives. For anyone interested, they have a good web site at www.beecool.com . > > Thank you. > > Ron > > -- > > Golden Age Forge > http://www.webpak.net/~rreil/Forge.htm > E-Mail: rreil@micron.net > Boise, Idaho > > > Article 26308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: buzibeelee@aol.com (Buzibeelee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Aug 2000 08:08:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: two queens + earwigs Message-ID: <20000805040849.23238.00000048@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26308 Thanks, James. I went on vacation and before I left, I replaced the older queen and left the younger. I sure would like to learn more about the two-queen system so I'll read up on it. The hive, still, has a bunch of earwigs--don't seem to be doing much harm, tho when you open the top cover, they sure go running for cover.... Article 26309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:02:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8mh6pg$ihf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.168 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 05 14:02:25 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.168 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26309 In article <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com>, Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> wrote: > I purchased a retiring beekeepers entire stock of goods in the spring. > There are 16 hive bodies, with some filled comb, some de-capped comb and > some with empty frames. His hives were infested with wax-moth damage, > and so I am not using them. The problem is that the wax moth are back in > force. The boxes are in my garage, and there are zillions of moths! > Any ideas on solving this problem? Will napthalene moth balls do the > trick or should I use something else? I am eventually going to render > the wax, so I don't care if the comb is damaged. Any advice appreciated. > Regards, Glen Archer. > Glen, I just received this web site from Florida Beekeepers when I asked about a wax moth problem. Very informative. http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm Acetic acid looks like a good treatment. Also it looks like we should always render wax quickly instead of letting it accumulate as I did. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!skin02.micron.net!news03.micron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ron Reil" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeCool Hive Ventilators Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:28:32 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.19.158.241 X-Trace: news03.micron.net 965406501 209.19.158.241 (Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:28:21 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:28:21 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26310 I read with interested the comments about the "BeeCool Ventilator" in the latest "Bee Culture", and am considering buying one. I would be very interested in any comments from anyone who has tried them on their own hives. For anyone interested, they have a good web site at www.beecool.com . Thank you. Ron -- Golden Age Forge http://www.webpak.net/~rreil/Forge.htm E-Mail: rreil@micron.net Boise, Idaho Article 26311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Aug 2000 08:59:06 GMT References: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Message-ID: <20000805045906.29952.00000368@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26311 >The problem is that the wax moth are back in >force. The boxes are in my garage, and there are zillions of moths! >Any ideas on solving this problem? Will napthalene moth balls do the >trick or should I use something else? I am eventually going to render >the wax, so I don't care if the comb is damaged. Napfthalene will do the trick, but most people use PDB, obtainable from any dealer in beekeeping supplies. Put a little in each box, with newspaper taped in place between them so moth can't run right through a stack. Give them a good airing before you use them again. Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 26312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398CC4DC.DF4743FB@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> <8md0ma$l9l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <398CC2FE.DFAB4E6F@cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:45:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965526342 24.24.11.117 (Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:45:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:45:42 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26312 P.S. -- They left behind NO queen cells. It wasn't even like late-season swarming. They just took off. I think the tiny number of bees that were in the hive by the time I got 'round to it were ones that had emerged from capped cells after the colony "split." Anyway, it was weird. seeya, joel Article 26313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wet supers Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 2000 01:53:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26313 I hear you're supposed to give "wet supers back to the bees". How do you best accomplish this? Put out where all the bees can clean them out (or will this encourage widespread robbing)? Put individual supers back on individual hives? If so, how do you get them to clean it out rather than just using what is there/left as the beginning of another super (which I sure don't want since I leave enough for them to winter over without adding a super)? Put the wet super on the top or possibly should it be put on the bottom so they'll store the honey on one of the top bodies? Thnx. Buzzylee Article 26314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398CC2FE.DFAB4E6F@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> <8md0ma$l9l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:37:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965525861 24.24.11.117 (Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:37:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:37:41 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26314 Pete wrote: I had a strong spring colony which swarmed, then stored a fair amount > of spring honey. Dwindling quickly so that only a hand full of workers > were left. All comb clean and in good condition. No dead brood, No > laying workers. It's just as if the family let all the kids emerge and > then just shucked out. OK Pete -- Check this out: A couple of years ago I had one of my best, strongest colonies "swarm" in late Aug. Or, more accurately, they completely abandoned the hive, except for a handful of bees left behind. Left several combs of capped brood, and 4-5 full medium supers of nice capped honey. I discovered this condition just a few days after they left -- I think. In effect, they "absconded." Never seen anything like it! Certainly was surprising that they left BROOD behind. It had been a huge colony all summer, and a really good honey producer. I chalked it up to a ~distressed~ condition caused by a heavy varroa mite load. (Hadn't treated that yard with Apistan that year.) Must have been a very very large swarm! But I lost 'em. It was quite a surprising discovery. The only bright side to the whole situation was that harvesting the honey supers was a sinch -- they were all empty of bees. Go figure... j Article 26315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398CCD57.FD5FE047@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> <398ACA66.B89446FA@okstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:21:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965528510 24.24.11.117 (Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:21:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:21:50 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26315 Gary Johns wrote:. > ...Only thing I can surmise is that the workers in the supers are so far away > from the > queen's pheromones that they start their own colony. I alway just attributed it to this, too. In my experience, the drone brood (presumably laying-worker) has always been found quite a ways up in the stack of honey-supers, considerably isolated from the brood nest proper. I just figued his drone brood was a result of that portion of the colony's isolation from their laying queen, her brood, and consequently, her pheromones. But then, I dunno... j Article 26316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> Subject: Re: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:57:30 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.12 X-Complaints-To: residential-security@team.look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 965530264 204.244.87.12 (Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:51:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:51:04 PDT Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26316 You could freeze them, two days in a freezer does the trick. Do not overlook all the other hive components, especially if you have a cover with tin above it, wax moth could be numerous "under" the tin Have fun, Normand Article 26317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Wet supers Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:59:47 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.12 X-Complaints-To: residential-security@team.look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 965530402 204.244.87.12 (Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:53:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:53:22 PDT Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26317 Try putting them on top of the inner cover Normand Article 26318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Wet supers Lines: 37 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <9i5j5.6398$gW5.403664@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 03:52:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 965533957 12.72.51.11 (Sun, 06 Aug 2000 03:52:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 03:52:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26318 Stack them on top of an inner cover with the escape hole open. If you don't use inner covers, bore a 1" hole in a sheet of plywood. They will go up and bring the honey down, sensing that this is not a part of their hive. Occasionally, you will get a colony that will use it for storage but nothing in beekeeping is "always" (laying workers included!). You can also store them wet. I do since putting them back on requires 2 more trips to the apiary and it also eliminates the need for para crystals. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com... > I hear you're supposed to give "wet supers back to the bees". How do you best > accomplish this? Put out where all the bees can clean them out (or will this > encourage widespread robbing)? Put individual supers back on individual hives? > If so, how do you get them to clean it out rather than just using what is > there/left as the beginning of another super (which I sure don't want since I > leave enough for them to winter over without adding a super)? Put the wet > super on the top or possibly should it be put on the bottom so they'll store > the honey on one of the top bodies? Thnx. > > Buzzylee > > Article 26319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heat Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:30:49 -0700 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8mit6n$1s3a$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 965539864 61546 204.216.255.93 (6 Aug 2000 05:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26319 How dangerous to my hive is heat. This is my first year and it is getting hot. Hitting 100 most days and sometimes above that. The hive gets morning and afternoon sun and shade in the evening. On some evenings they have a fanning party on the landing pad where they are wrapped around both sides and up the front for a few inches. It doesn't seem to bother them to much during the day, they are very, very active. Should I do anything? I had thought of putting up something to shade them, but the air is hot also or buying a BeeCool Ventilator. The heat is pretty dry since I live on the east side of San Diego. Our himid days are few and far between. Thanks, Dave Article 26320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat Message-ID: References: <8mit6n$1s3a$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 21 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 03:11:03 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:05:24 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26320 I vote that in the morning you should rig up something for them that will provide afternoon shade. In article <8mit6n$1s3a$1@thoth.cts.com>, davekern@hotmail.com says... > How dangerous to my hive is heat. This is my first year and it is getting > hot. Hitting 100 most days and sometimes above that. The hive gets morning > and afternoon sun and shade in the evening. On some evenings they have a > fanning party on the landing pad where they are wrapped around both sides > and up the front for a few inches. It doesn't seem to bother them to much > during the day, they are very, very active. Should I do anything? I had > thought of putting up something to shade them, but the air is hot also or > buying a BeeCool Ventilator. The heat is pretty dry since I live on the > east side of San Diego. Our himid days are few and far between. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > > Article 26321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!insnet.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.cix.co.uk!not-for-mail From: hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FYI - Honeybees in aviation Date: 6 Aug 2000 11:00:40 GMT Organization: CIX - Compulink Information eXchange Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8mjggo$4rs$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk> References: <398582B8.E2EFF445@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: technetium.cix.co.uk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26321 Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:44:25 GMTIn article <398582B8.E2EFF445@nospam.boeing.com>, Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boeing.com (Billy Y. Smart II) wrote: > Billy I had thought that commercial aircraft exiended the flaps to enable the plane to slow down on landing while still staying above the stalling speed !!. Better to depend on the crew than on a bloody computer. Michael "There are only 24 hours in the day and 7 days in the week" Article 26322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Aug 2000 13:01:42 GMT References: <102dbb40.d2a789b7@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee attractant? CO2 exhalation? Message-ID: <20000806090142.10629.00001917@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26322 >What is it that attracts bees to humans when the bees feels that >their hive is under attack? I seem to recall reading that it was >the co2 that is exhaled by attacker. If that is so, could not a >small device using a co2 cartidge be made to draw the bees away >from the human target? Regards Pat > I saw a program other day too, Even though about making BeeGo Bubble gum? We'll let you try first :-). My old will throw me out the door in a heart beat! Tim Article 26323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Aug 2000 13:13:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Message-ID: <20000806091347.10629.00001919@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26323 >This time, the finger swelled to where I can't bend it My guess is, You're having thick skin on your hands which can hold poison longer which is harder to draw. So far, I've not got stung yet, I move like an ooold man. Tim Article 26324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 216.126.171.159 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: two queens + earwigs Lines: 22 From: docbull Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <07bf5d4a.a226b6f8@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com> References: <20000805040849.23238.00000048@ng-ft1.aol.com> Bytes: 571 X-Wren-Trace: eKCFray18rjz4r2vp+WkiaGjqaGgoa64oLjv8fji97H98K7w+bH7//n4 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 06:21:55 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.38 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 965569021 10.0.2.38 (Sun, 06 Aug 2000 06:37:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 06:37:01 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26324 buzibeelee@aol.com (Buzibeelee) wrote: >Thanks, James. I went on vacation and before I left, I replaced the older >queen and left the younger. I sure would like to learn more about the >two-queen system so I'll read up on it. The hive, still, has a bunch of >earwigs--don't seem to be doing much harm, tho when you open the top cover, >they sure go running for cover.... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com Article 26325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8mit6n$1s3a$1@thoth.cts.com> Subject: Re: Heat Lines: 40 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1phj5.6945$gW5.459697@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:39:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 965583549 12.72.50.196 (Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:39:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:39:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26325 No problem here with summer temps in excess of 105 at times. My "locals" do their best work on the hottest days with peak activity around 4:00 when the temps reach their max. Some shade will help but remember that the inside temp in the brood rearing must be about 93F. Not a difficult task for the bees to lower the temp to that level. Humidity is provided by water, respiration, and evaporation of moisture from nectar so "dry" air outside the hive is of no consequence. Honeybees have flourished for millions of years without BeeCool so unless you have $125 burning a hole in your pocket, go to the hardware store and get about $2 worth of shade cloth if it will make you feel better. When you say east side of SD are you referring to the desert or just a little to the right of SD? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Dave" wrote in message news:8mit6n$1s3a$1@thoth.cts.com... > How dangerous to my hive is heat. This is my first year and it is getting > hot. Hitting 100 most days and sometimes above that. The hive gets morning > and afternoon sun and shade in the evening. On some evenings they have a > fanning party on the landing pad where they are wrapped around both sides > and up the front for a few inches. It doesn't seem to bother them to much > during the day, they are very, very active. Should I do anything? I had > thought of putting up something to shade them, but the air is hot also or > buying a BeeCool Ventilator. The heat is pretty dry since I live on the > east side of San Diego. Our himid days are few and far between. > > Thanks, > Dave > > > Article 26326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr2.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Late Swarm Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: X-Trace: /K0ZED8y7PDjbq1+lxo84Ww7tfqTX2vtZ15usW4nouMC/J5JyAPDA7avBwcK3ScPArjXCI7XtHWr!fynZErcGDuSUQUXdCerGnB167YfWNrguqnYeuO2WRvBNJ78uxFkl9vd4OoGtKloxgvoQAvqn3/Cp!zdc3zI0cWQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gtei.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:11:33 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:11:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26326 I caught a swarm today that a freind found on one of her hanging flower pots. I got them home and set up a new home for them next to my one and only other colony. I'm thinking that it may be too late in the year or them to build up comb, raise brood, and collect enough food for wintering. My other hive (this is my 1st ever) swarmed this spring and they got away. But then I caught another swarm and combined them so I guess this is probably a slightly smaller than average hive. This is a 2-story hive that I now have a honey super on. Should I combine these to colonies? If so, how can I do it and keep it a 2-story setup? If I don't combine them, what are the chances for the new swarm surviving? I am feeding the new colony 1:1 sugar water. I would rather keep it a seperate colony. btw...I live in northern Ohio. Thanks, Chris Bjelica cbjelica@gte.net Article 26327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!gestalt.direcpc.com.!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Tom Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <1ae25248.2dfb9b1c@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com> Lines: 13 Bytes: 669 X-Originating-Host: 213.120.62.67 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <397b9357.48390642@news.usit.net> X-Wren-Trace: eJC1nZyFwojDw5Sdlp6dnIuQoJeBnd6SkI6Rlo3Kit+S1oLAzZ7UzMzfwsfQhtQ= Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:05:54 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.69 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 965590456 10.0.2.69 (Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:34:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:34:16 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26327 I have a case of bad tempered bees also. Nowhere near as bad as yours - but as soon as I can find the boss in there she will be squished. They have got worse as the season has gone on but interestingly the colony this swarm left behind is mow much better tempered (lousy on honey collecting but just a little bit horrid instead of evil) My queen will be flattened and the rest will be reunited with the original hive if there are no Qcells present. Best of luck with yours - keep posting how you get on * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 26328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Kernohan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Late Swarm Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:07:41 +0100 Organization: (Posted via) GTS Netcom. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8mkjuu$g11$1@lyonesse.netcom.net.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-26-250.netcomuk.co.uk X-Trace: lyonesse.netcom.net.uk 965595934 16417 194.42.235.250 (6 Aug 2000 21:05:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@corp.netcom.net.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2000 21:05:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26328 I've been watching my (first) hive rather carefully for the last couple of days having found queen cells as I was told they could swarm even this late in the year (London, UK). Certainly when I collected my colony earlier this year - it was a swarm that landed in the garden - I was told to feed it, as it would need the extra food to cope with drawing out the foundation (I put it onto new frames) and to build it up after the stress of having swarmed. I have kept a block of bee candy in the hive right up until a couple of weeks ago. In my case they had been sitting on a tree for a week - do you know how long these had been in your friend's garden? Rgds Sandy Article 26329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robin Remde" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 13:50:25 -0700 Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.84.158.55 Message-ID: <398dd539_3@corp.newsfeeds.com> X-Trace: 6 Aug 2000 16:14:33 -0500, 63.84.158.55 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.68.178!local-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!corp.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!63.84.158.55 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26329 It depends on whether you're having a "toxic" reaction (inflammation from the bee venom) or an allergic reaction to the sting. Speaking as someone who is allergic to bee venom, I can tell you that I get significant relief from the bad swelling from antihistimines. If the antihistimines didn't help you I doubt you're allergic (but then, I'm not a doctor), but if you're really concerned, you can always get tested. As others have stated, an allergy test doesn't give any indication of how badly you'll react when stung the next time, but at least you're aware of the potential. In my case, I keep a "bee kit" in the refrigerator just in case I have a bad reaction. Robin Darrell Gehlsen wrote in message news:oODh5.1195$Z6.60273@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me with > the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and has a > nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is also > swollen. > I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, but > I don't know if it helped. > What now? > Darrell > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 26330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <398dd539_3@corp.newsfeeds.com> Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Lines: 20 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:13:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 965600037 12.72.48.152 (Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:13:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:13:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26330 Is that for an AnaKit? My EpiPen states "Store in a dark place at room temperature (59-86F). Do not refrigerate". -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Robin Remde" wrote in message news:398dd539_3@corp.newsfeeds.com... >I keep a "bee kit" in the refrigerator just in case I have a bad > reaction. > > Robin Article 26331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Late Swarm Lines: 49 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:13:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 965600036 12.72.48.152 (Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:13:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:13:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26331 Someone always forgets to tell them it is too late to swarm. Maybe they know better. Not sure about OH but in CA they would probably make it. If you really want another colony and don't mind the expense of feeding them, give them some brood from the other colony and let them have a go at it. Worst case you have wasted some sugar and will combine them in the fall and let them overwinter. Then in the spring buy some new queens and split them. This will also pretty much guarantee that you won't have another spring swarm. Two birds with one stone. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Chris Bjelica" wrote in message news:FLij5.281$1o3.150304@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net... > I caught a swarm today that a freind found on one of her hanging flower > pots. I got them home and set up a new home for them next to my one and > only other colony. I'm thinking that it may be too late in the year or them > to build up comb, raise brood, and collect enough food for wintering. My > other hive (this is my 1st ever) swarmed this spring and they got away. But > then I caught another swarm and combined them so I guess this is probably a > slightly smaller than average hive. This is a 2-story hive that I now have > a honey super on. > > Should I combine these to colonies? If so, how can I do it and keep it a > 2-story setup? If I don't combine them, what are the chances for the new > swarm surviving? I am feeding the new colony 1:1 sugar water. > > I would rather keep it a seperate colony. > > btw...I live in northern Ohio. > > Thanks, > > Chris Bjelica > cbjelica@gte.net > > > Article 26332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:47:03 -0700 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8ml4fm$135t$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8mit6n$1s3a$1@thoth.cts.com> <1phj5.6945$gW5.459697@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 965612854 36029 204.216.255.93 (7 Aug 2000 01:47:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26332 Just a little to the right. But, because of the location next to the ocean, it get 20 degrees + hotter in the summer and 20 degrees colder in the winter just my little bit to the right. Today I went to a relatives house that lives in the high desert outside of Los Angeles. I saw many hives sitting in the hot desert sun. If they can do it there, my house should be heaven. No snow, flowers all year long, just a little extra heat for a few hours during the summer. Thanks for the advice, Dave George Styer wrote in message <1phj5.6945$gW5.459697@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... >No problem here with summer temps in excess of 105 at times. My "locals" do >their best work on the hottest days with peak activity around 4:00 when the >temps reach their max. Some shade will help but remember that the inside >temp in the brood rearing must be about 93F. Not a difficult task for the >bees to lower the temp to that level. Humidity is provided by water, >respiration, and evaporation of moisture from nectar so "dry" air outside >the hive is of no consequence. Honeybees have flourished for millions of >years without BeeCool so unless you have $125 burning a hole in your pocket, >go to the hardware store and get about $2 worth of shade cloth if it will >make you feel better. When you say east side of SD are you referring to the >desert or just a little to the right of SD? > >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > >"Dave" wrote in message >news:8mit6n$1s3a$1@thoth.cts.com... >> How dangerous to my hive is heat. This is my first year and it is getting >> hot. Hitting 100 most days and sometimes above that. The hive gets >morning >> and afternoon sun and shade in the evening. On some evenings they have a >> fanning party on the landing pad where they are wrapped around both sides >> and up the front for a few inches. It doesn't seem to bother them to much >> during the day, they are very, very active. Should I do anything? I had >> thought of putting up something to shade them, but the air is hot also or >> buying a BeeCool Ventilator. The heat is pretty dry since I live on the >> east side of San Diego. Our himid days are few and far between. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave >> >> >> > > Article 26333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Bill Wallace Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: drifting Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:43:51 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <398E3E87.A32B1F61@winco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.165 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 965623218 195147 207.144.202.165 (7 Aug 2000 04:40:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 04:40:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26333 Any ideas to help keep drifting down. It seems to me that my hives on the outer left side seem to have less and less bees in them but brood to the max . ( 8 to 12 frames full of capped brood) I but them in a u shape pattern about three feet apart and every year those hives produce half what the others do but always have the most amount of brood. Article 26334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.germany.net!news.vas-net.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ralph Nader for President. Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:00:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8mlhvn$l2e$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-28.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 965626679 21582 62.136.4.28 (7 Aug 2000 05:37:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2000 05:37:59 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26334 ; "Charles (D - NY)" wrote in message news:fiidMNFEMdazzx@news.senate.gov... > 6 Aug 2000 13:07:18 GMT > > It's hard for me to believe that the next president of the United > States will be George W. Bush or Al Gore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Probably also hard for you to believe that this group is dedicated to beekeeping and has a world-wide membership - many of whom have little interest in American politics. Article 26335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wet supers Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:02:20 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8mlhvr$l2e$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-28.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 965626683 21582 62.136.4.28 (7 Aug 2000 05:38:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2000 05:38:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26335 But have you noticed how often you end up with dead bees on the crown board (inner cover) when you do this - they die with the heat generated in the enclosed space - even in the UK! "N Gravel" wrote in message news:Cq4j5.44270$YI4.741959@brie.direct.ca... > Try putting them on top of the inner cover > Normand > > Article 26336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:20:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8mli00$l2e$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-28.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 965626688 21582 62.136.4.28 (7 Aug 2000 05:38:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2000 05:38:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26336 > 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what > is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for > different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for > lavender as I don't have them in front of me. Honey: A Comprehensive Survey gives lavender as group 4 (of 6) for yield, i.e. 101-200 kg/ha, describes the honey as golden amber and notes that it may have high sucrose and water content. Article 26337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Arthritis Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:26:56 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8mli05$l2e$4@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8lnmin$88o$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8m18u5$ghg$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-28.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 965626693 21582 62.136.4.28 (7 Aug 2000 05:38:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2000 05:38:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26337 Agree that the average age of beekeepers is probably 'older' - for most it is difficult to keep bees until you a fairly settled way of life. What I would like to know is whether beekeepers suffer more arthritis than the rest of the population - at the same age. "Christopher Dainton" wrote in message news:8m18u5$ghg$1@gxsn.com... > Suffering a little but probably due to injuries rather than bee stings > Considering the average age of people who take up beekeeping > Dare I say older than rather than younger > We might end up crediting most age related problems to the bees > Chris > Peter Edwards wrote in message <8lnmin$88o$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>... > > > > > >So do you suffer from arthritis (or suspect that you might)? > > > > > > Article 26338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <398E5176.C68BE4C5@banet.net> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 02:04:39 -0400 From: jspring@banet.net Reply-To: jspring@banet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: seeking employment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.19.182 X-Trace: 7 Aug 2000 06:06:26 GMT, 166.72.19.182 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.prserv.net!166.72.19.182 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26338 I am a beekeeper with ten years experience seeking employment with a beekeeping company preferably in the south-eastern United States. If you are aware of any openings please let me know. Detailed resume available on request. Thanks, Trevor Gilbert. Article 26339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 11:12:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8mm5io$qfh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <397b9357.48390642@news.usit.net> <1ae25248.2dfb9b1c@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 07 11:12:25 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26339 In article <1ae25248.2dfb9b1c@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com>, Tom wrote: > I have a case of bad tempered bees also. .... Yeah me to. There must be some rule of thumb among bees that one hive in a certain number has to be mean. The same day I wrote about working with veil, T-shirt, and no gloves we opened up another hive to take out some honey frames. There was no way to move slowly enough to keep these bees calm. As soon as the top came off they cane boiling out. I got stung 25 times that day and had to put on sweatshirt and gloves before completing the work. Of course by then I was wishing I had started with the bee suit! Might have done no good though because I got some stings through my Levis. These are ornery bees. We started this hive in March as a 2-frame observation hive, split from our nicer bees. They've always been separated from the other hives and in a shady location. Maybe the shade is what causes it. They have always been meaner than the others - and reproducing the fastest. They sent out a swarm in late May that was also mean but that didn't improve the disposition of the original hive. They also were very persistent and some followed me around for a couple of hours after we were done. If africanized bees are worse than this we're in for some rough times. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ralph Nader for President. Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 2000 13:43:44 GMT References: <8mlhvn$l2e$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000807094344.05972.00000163@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26340 >Probably also hard for you to believe that this group is dedicated to >beekeeping and has a world-wide membership - many of whom have little >interest in American politics. I'll second that. And spamming newsgroups is a GREAT way to make your candidate look good! There are plenty of forums for political discussion. Go find them, and leave us alone! Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 26341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Lynette Jansen van Rensburg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> Subject: Re: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:44:19 +0200 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: nld-dial-196-7-201-89.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <398ebcad.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 7 Aug 2000 15:42:05 +0200, nld-dial-196-7-201-89.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!nld-dial-196-7-201-89.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26341 Hi, I am a bee-keeper from South Africa and had the same problem 2 years ago. The only way I could get rid of the problem was to make a fire with PINE wood and needle and hold the empty box over the SMOKE(inside) After this, I re-astablished the hive with new wax and the problem never occured again. Good luck and let me know Danie Article 26342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: FYI - Honeybees in aviation X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <398EC55C.CB2E1243@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <398582B8.E2EFF445@nospam.boeing.com> <8mjggo$4rs$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:19:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 36 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26342 hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: > Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:44:25 GMTIn article > <398582B8.E2EFF445@nospam.boeing.com>, Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boeing.com > (Billy Y. Smart II) wrote: > > > Billy > > I had thought that commercial aircraft exiended the flaps to enable > the plane to slow down on landing while still staying above the > stalling speed !!. This is true. The larger wing surface area prevents a stall. > > > Better to depend on the crew than on a bloody computer. Where have you been? Most commercial jetliners are flown and landed by autopilot. Exceptions to this are rare emergencies. > > > Michael > > "There are only 24 hours in the day and 7 days in the week" -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 26343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsinternetskywayteltow!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sugar melter Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:11:37 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8mn1iv$fj2$1@news.planetinternet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-130-221.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 965675423 15970 212.239.130.221 (7 Aug 2000 19:10:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2000 19:10:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26343 Who has a suggestion on how many holes the bottom of the upper bucket of a sugar melter must have and how big they must be. Mine has some 20 holes of 2mm diameter but it produces only about 1 litre of syrup a day. Could not that go a bit faster? Hans Wartena Article 26344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New beekeeping software Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:23:35 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 85 Message-ID: <8mn27t$j3n$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip110.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 965676093 19575 195.249.242.110 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26344 If you have uninstalled the Bidata hive note software then please install again from the CD and then use this install to update with. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update3.exe the PalmBidata is a little bigger but that because of the installation for palm! http://apimo.dk/programs/Bidata_palm2.zip around 3mB you can now enter data both on the palm and on the PC. the only thing I cant fix is the deleting of hive notes (total)for a hive. it must be done both at the palm and the PC. But else I have testet it forsome weeks in my beeyard. The changes that follows also goes for Bidatapalm. I have now gone through the code and removed what was not necessary! result : I could not provocate any errors. what is done: If there are no data in the database and a new bee yard have begun, then if data is present in the previous year an import queen will show up. You can then import the queens you have present now and also was present last year. You can select (from the Tool menu) if you want the software to run as a simple hive note software or a queen breeder software. the queen breeder software follows the Scandinavian way of registering the queens. The template for the queen entry is the Swedish queen register card. On this is also placed data for the queen up to four years back. Those data are index for the queen, average honey for the bee yard and honey for the queen, average swarming tendency for the bee yard and for the queen, average temper for the bee yard and the queen, average steadiness for the bee yard and the queen, average sickness for the bee yard and the queen. Up to five drones can be given as drone source and you can add a new drone source to the queen list, this being a mating station or a specific drone mother. It is important to have unique identification of the queens so I suggest the following : Initials of the breeder followed with on number for the race :0-9, now followed with two numbers for the year and then followed with the hive number or a unique ID number that you will find generated on the queen edit form as identification followed by a read only number. This number is unique because it is also used as a key in the software. The ability to edit the hive note when adding a new note fell out, this is now fixed. About the index and the way it is calculated: calculating an index gives the possibility to use the index as a guideline when comparing queens. the index calculating take place within the separate bee yards. First a calculation is done to make an average dummy hive, by using all hive notes taken in the bee yard. This dummy hive is set to 100% Now each hive is calculated and the result is measured against the dummy hive and the differences is then given as +- the dummy hive. This of course is my way doing it and if you have a better index calculation please tell me and I will implement it. Please be so kind to inform me if You find bugs that I am not aware of. I have done my very best and even paid a professional programmer to help me out in this debugging. it is now possible in the pollen database to add a new search criteria to the plants. a little about the pollen database. the pollen database is build mainly for the beekeeper and the help file is also a guide to collecting and preparing microscope slides of pollen. there is a pollen microscope source at the attacked url. best regards -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:59:44 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 32 Message-ID: <398F2340.BB259D9A@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <397b9357.48390642@news.usit.net> <1ae25248.2dfb9b1c@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com> <8mm5io$qfh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26345 hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <1ae25248.2dfb9b1c@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com>, > Tom wrote: > > I have a case of bad tempered bees also. .... > > If africanized bees are worse than this we're in for some rough > times. > Herb Well, then, you'd better invest in a beesuit company. Dr. Spangler's microphone ( in his "temper tester" ) overloaded at ten hits per second, a level it frequently reached. Of course, some of these hits over 30-60 seconds will be the same bees coming back for another try, but you do the math. ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela & Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:17:24 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8mnft8$ccl$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> <8mli00$l2e$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Trace: YUF9QR847YbjOb5WI5lKVDX8q1d/IKuRf6s0agSzPqY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2000 23:14:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26346 > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey gives lavender as group 4 (of 6) for yield, > i.e. 101-200 kg/ha, describes > the honey as golden amber and notes that it may have high sucrose and water > content. Are copies of that paper available? Article 26347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!nntp.msen.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rob O'Hara" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: trapping bees in a wall Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:11:37 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26347 Hello Some friends have a colony of bees in the walls of a grainery and don't want the walls torn out, I've set up a screen cone and deep hive body on a platform at the end of the cone. One bee can squeeze out but not back in. The deep has three frames of house bees and a laying queen, plus 7 frames of drawn comb. How long should I wait until I can remove screen cone and let the outside hive rob out the old colony. Should I place supers on the new hive then ? Any thoughts or ideas on best way to handle this job? Thanks -- Rob O'Hara rohara98@yahoo.com 3rd Year ... 5 Hives 3rd String Hobbiest Trying To Grow Article 26348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drifting Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:32:34 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <398F6332.42A33DE0@kingston.net> References: <398E3E87.A32B1F61@winco.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26348 Hi Bill, My hive lids and bottoms are different colours. Also so are some of my supers. I didn't go out with the idea I wanted every hive to look the same. I guess my idea was if every house on your street was the exact duplicat isn't there a chance you might pull into the wrong drive way once and a while? Kent Article 26349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wet supers Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:37:23 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <398F6453.16FBF670@kingston.net> References: <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com> <8mlhvr$l2e$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26349 I store mine wet. I have never found any problem from this. But "wet" is a relative term! How wet is wet :-) My frames have been given a real good spin in the extracter, with no (or very few) cells left uncapped. Kent Article 26350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Late Swarm Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:28:24 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <398F6238.A6E695B5@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26350 Hi Chris, I like George's suggestion to combine the hives then split them again in the spring. I live in Ontario so our climate is similar. As he said this would also help in your swarm prevention program next spring. Kent Article 26351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: trapping bees in a wall Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:52:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8mnp4c$25u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.80 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 08 01:52:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.80 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26351 "Rob O'Hara" wrote: > Some friends have a colony of bees in the walls of a grainery and >don't want the walls torn out, I've set up a screen cone and deep hive >body on a platform at the end of the cone. One bee can squeeze out but >not back in. The deep has three frames of house bees and a laying >queen, plus 7 frames of drawn comb. > > How long should I wait until I can remove screen cone and let the >outside hive rob out the old colony. Should I place supers on the new >hive then ? > Rob O'Hara ***************************************************** Howdy Rob -- Sounds like you are on the right track. The old rule-of-thumb is to wait for 6 weeks before removing the cone. This late in the year you will probably not need to add a super. It will be easier to move if you do not have to add to it. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hobby Beekeeping in the UK ..? and small observation hives Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:43:03 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8mntnm$8q9$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8lj7js$rg4$2@news.wave.co.nz> <8llufp$rgt$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8m2kkc$per$1@news.wave.co.nz> <39880B63.3A522F32@gsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p29.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965704246 9033 203.96.192.29 (8 Aug 2000 03:10:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2000 03:10:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26352 thanks Jim and James the top bar hives are cute ! Jim tell your Mum her crochet work is splendid !! i am a big fan of crochet and crochet when i get time, which isn't often these days. carman James D. Satterfield wrote in message news:39880B63.3A522F32@gsu.edu... > James, check out the top bar observation hive on my website. You will > find that it works very well: > > http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm > > > Cordially yours, > > Jim > > James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km > 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA > Canton GA 30114 USA 34.208778N, -084.505859W > (770) 479-4784 > Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm > Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm > Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm > TARSUS: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/tarsus/tarsus.htm > 848th AC&W Sqdn, Det 45: http://www.po8.com/det45 Article 26353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wet supers Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:50:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 965686181 nnrp-02:14003 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26353 In article <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com>, LKLarson1 writes >I hear you're supposed to give "wet supers back to the bees". How do you best >accomplish this? Put out where all the bees can clean them out (or will this >encourage widespread robbing)? Put individual supers back on individual hives? I put the same super back on the hive in the evening on top. Right now we still have a flow on so I am giving them room to put some more in. I used to put the supers over a cover board with a hole in if I had one spare. Now if I take most of their honey they'll just take it down. I leave my supers on over winter to save storage space and give them space for any autumn honey. I do need to clear out the frames that need changing though which I generally do in spring. So the lowest super has to be in good condition. FWIW. -- James Kilty Article 26354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "stacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smokers......what is the secret. Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 04:50:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.70.44.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 965710222 24.70.44.202 (Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:50:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:50:22 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26354 Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for posting. One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an extended duration...Much thx for help on this. Article 26355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news-in.nibble.net!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.uwa.edu.au!news!not-for-mail From: Sven Fjastad Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:44:01 +0800 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Lines: 18 Message-ID: <398F9E16.1F9EEFBD@ses.curtin.edu.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: s118-50.curtin.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ftp.curtin.edu.au 965713389 28983 134.7.118.50 (8 Aug 2000 05:43:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.curtin.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2000 05:43:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26355 If you can get hold of eucalyptus - twigs and leaves (green & dead) - these keep smoldering away as long as there are embers about. oldddog. stacker wrote: > Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. > This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for > posting. > One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have > tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) > and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking > hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight > before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer > regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an > extended duration...Much thx for help on this. Article 26356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Aug 2000 08:30:03 GMT References: <398F9E16.1F9EEFBD@ses.curtin.edu.au> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20000808043003.07955.00000178@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26356 >> Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. >> This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for >> posting. >> One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have >> tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) >> and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking >> hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight >> before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer >> regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an >> extended duration...Much thx for help on this. I use half rotten leaves from the top of the leafmould pile. I only have one hive - can't compare with ten - but the smoker goes until it's all burnt, far longer than I need it for. Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 26357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: trapping bees in a wall Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:17:30 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 965736704 nnrp-09:18816 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26357 In article , Rob O'Hara writes >How long should I wait until I can remove screen cone and let the outside >hive rob out the old colony. Until you get no more bees flying out of the cone - at least 4 weeks, probably more to allow for the queen to reduce laying as the bees reduce in number. It will depend on how much brood and stores are in there. The young bees will continue to hatch and then feed the new larvae for some time. You can only take the bees that fly out in this method. Young bees will come out to orientate so the colony should go on losing bees that would usually be feeding the larvae. > Should I place supers on the new hive then ? As soon as they need it. -- James Kilty Article 26358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:25:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 965736705 nnrp-09:18816 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26358 In article , stacker writes >One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have >tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) >and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking >hives...... The smoker is the subject of many a joke and cartoon. I find I cannot even light paper sometimes!!! You will get a lot of answers. Think of it as lighting a fire. I like to use paper first, straw or twigs or debris from the previous smoking, dry rotten wood, pine cones or peat. Peat keeps going a long time. 10 hives a fill is no problem. Puff lightly until it gets going unless it is difficult. Once going, make sure it is tight in and fill up to 2/3 or so and let the flames die down. Stuff grass or any green leafy material in the top to get nice cool smoke. Use the largest smoker you can afford. If you can stand it high and smoke comes out without puffing, you've won. -- James Kilty Article 26359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:40:37 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <8morlu$l7b$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> <8mli00$l2e$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <8mnft8$ccl$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: "Keith B. Forsyth" NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.197 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26359 Hi: Honey A Comprehensive Survey is a 608 page text by Eva Crane and was published by the International Bee Research Association Article 26360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:36:36 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <39900d10$0$226@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.96.1.66 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 965741840 226 192.96.1.66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26360 Hi to all ! I use DRY pine needles ! Works perfectly for me. Cheers Glen "stacker" wrote in message news:ikMj5.135228$ef6.1898014@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com... > Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. > This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for > posting. > One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have > tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) > and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking > hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight > before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer > regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an > extended duration...Much thx for help on this. > > > > > > Article 26361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Aug 2000 13:55:27 GMT References: <39900d10$0$226@hades.is.co.za> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000808095527.22276.00000012@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26361 Open the smoker Take 1/4 sheet of newspaper crumple it and light it drop it in and pump the bellows. Add another ball of newspaper , pump the bellows. Sift in a small amount of wood chips,pump the bellows. Continue pumping and adding until the paper is consumed and the chips sink to the grate in the bottom of the smoker. Fill the rest of the way. ( make sure the grate is not upside down) Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39901964.8E56C1BE@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:29:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 965744997 24.91.40.243 (Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:29:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:29:57 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26362 There was an article about smoker material in a recent American Bee Journal or Bee Culture (I forget which). As I remember, cedar shavings (like you'd get for a hamster cage) worked best. Pine needles were right up there too. I've tried the cotton plugs sold in bee supply catalogs and they also work well and last a long time - if you can tolerate paying money for something you burn up :-) -Steve stacker wrote: > > Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. > This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for > posting. > One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have > tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) > and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking > hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight > before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer > regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an > extended duration...Much thx for help on this. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 26363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: digman@cyberport.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Forrest Fire Impact ??? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:38:28 GMT Message-ID: <39901a83.81978851@news.cyberport.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 56k113-118.cyberport.com Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.45.228.130 X-Trace: 8 Aug 2000 08:34:59 -0600, 199.45.228.130 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!coop.net!news.coop.net!news.gj.net!56k113-118.cyberport.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26363 I live close enough to the fires in SW Colorado that we are able to see and smell the smoke from them. When the winds are blowing toward us, we get a light dusting of ash. I'm probably 30 - 40 miles from the actual fires. I'm wondering what impact the smell of smoke and the constant haze will have on my hive. Any experience with a situation like this? Article 26364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!sn-xit-uk!supernews.com!195.92.193.196.MISMATCH!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:28:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8mpg15$286$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> <8mli00$l2e$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <8mnft8$ccl$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-33.indium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 965755749 2310 62.136.40.33 (8 Aug 2000 17:29:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2000 17:29:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26364 The book is now out of print, but should be available second hand "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message news:8mnft8$ccl$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey gives lavender as group 4 (of 6) for yield, > > i.e. 101-200 kg/ha, describes > > the honey as golden amber and notes that it may have high sucrose and > water > > content. > > Are copies of that paper available? > > Article 26365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Scott Franklin" From: "Scott Franklin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:45:54 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.119.20.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 965796078 216.119.20.9 (Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:41:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:41:18 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26365 Personally, I don't use a smoker. Too much trouble. I use a product callled liquid Bee smoke. It is used with a spray bottle. It smells light BBQ wood / bacon. I use a couple of sprays and the bees stay tame. Then I use the bee brush on any that hang around on an area I working with. Lots easier, to apply and easier to tell how much is left. Scott Article 26366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 2000 02:42:33 GMT References: <39900d10$0$226@hades.is.co.za> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000808224233.18392.00000230@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26366 I saw that article in American Bee Journal and the ceder chips work real good I have tried it and I like it and it stays burning for a long time also the staghorns from Sumac work well but they have to dry for a winter usally collect them in the spring but the ceder chips you can get a bail from Wal-mart for $5 and it is about 2 cubic yards lasts for a long time I now use ceder chips Article 26367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wet supers Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 2000 02:51:28 GMT References: <9i5j5.6398$gW5.403664@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000808225128.18392.00000235@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26367 put them away wet it is a good draw to get them through the Q/E in the spring thye run right up there Article 26368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Message-ID: References: <39900d10$0$226@hades.is.co.za> <20000808224233.18392.00000230@ng-co1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:51:00 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:42:54 -0700 Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26368 Mike the Beekeeper, Grafter, Welder and Mechanic likes to use the leaves of the yerba santa. These leaves collect in nice quantities under the plants and they are soft and sort of succulent and they burn with a slightly medicinal smell. In article <20000808224233.18392.00000230@ng-co1.aol.com>, jpa555@aol.com says... > I saw that article in American Bee Journal and the ceder chips work real good I > have tried it and I like it and it stays burning for a long time also the > staghorns from Sumac work well but they have to dry for a winter usally collect > them in the spring but the ceder chips you can get a bail from Wal-mart for $5 > and it is about 2 cubic yards lasts for a long time I now use ceder chips > Article 26369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Cox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:59:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8ms5h7$vhh$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-39.orbic-cardinal.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 965843303 32305 62.137.44.167 (9 Aug 2000 17:48:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2000 17:48:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26369 I use corrugated cardboard tightly rolled up. Have spare rolls ready so that you can drop another one in when necessary without having to relight. "stacker" wrote in message news:ikMj5.135228$ef6.1898014@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com... > Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. > This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for > posting. > One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have > tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) > and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking > hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight > before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer > regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an > extended duration...Much thx for help on this. > > > > > > Article 26370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Unfiltered Honey Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:26:46 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8mrevd$gdi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-52.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 965820205 16818 209.130.165.52 (9 Aug 2000 11:23:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2000 11:23:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26370 I would like to know if anyone has any strong testimonials or knowlege regarding the benefits of eating unfiltered honey (contains pollen/wax/propolis etc.) over store bought blended and highly filtered honey. I know it is better for you but can some one explain to refresh my memory as to why it is so? Personally, I like mine filtered but many of our customers want nothing but our unfiltered honey and I can tell you the majority of those people are well into their 80's and 90's and in very good health...they buy a couple gallons at a time! I'm thinking they know something the rest of us don't! Great Day to all-- Busybee Article 26371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:58:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 85 Message-ID: References: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26371 check this out with your local extension/inspection service before attempting: Wax moth threat to bee colony WAX moth Galleria mellonella is a serious threat to honeybee colonies. The moth exhibits the usual four stages in their life cycle and the life period depends upon the availability of food and temperature. The female lays its eggs on uncovered parts of the comb of wild bees and in cracks and crevices in the comb of hive bees. In hive bees, after hatching, young larvae feeds on pieces of combs available on the bottom board. They then gradually enter into combs where larva feed on the pollen, honey and wax. Soon after, they make silken galleries in the combs for movement. The bees move on to next comb which is free from infestation. Subsequently, the wax moth larvae attack rest of the combs in a similar fashion. In severe cases, the bees desert the hive. Weak colonies are more prone to the attack of wax moth than strong colonies. The reasons for weak colonies are: generally strong winter or extreme hot period coupled with rains, result in the physical scarcity of food. Under these conditions, the colonies become weak and susceptible to wax moth attack. With lack of pollen flow, the queens fail to sustain their reproductivity and the growth of the colonies is affected. Application of pesticides in the field may render the colonies weak on account of heavy worker mortality through chemical poisoning. For proper management, during June-September, check the bottom board at weekly intervala for egg and larvae of the wax moth. To clean the board, scrape with a sharp thin edged knife in the cracks and crevices. Weak colonies are more susceptible to the incidence. Hence make them strong by increasing the population. Remove old black combs as they are susceptible to wax moth attack. Remove all empty combs in the colonies as waxmoth larvae finds easy access. Exposing infested combs to sunlight for a short while, will make the larvae present in the galleries to come out, which can be collected and destroyed. Care should be taken not to melt the comb. After the honey flow season, store the super chamber of 5-6 colonies in a stack and fumigate with sulphur smouldering in air tight condition. By this method, the super chamber can be stored till the next honey flow season without any damage by wax moth. Use Apanteles galleriae, a wasp parasite, to control the wax moth larvae as it lays the egg inside the larvae of wax moth and the developing wasp larvae eat the moth larvae. Bacillus thuringiensis can also be used as a biological control agent against wax moth without affecting the honey bee colonies. S. R. Koteswara Rao and V.S. Nagrare Division of Entomology IARI, New Delhi 110012 Thursday, March 18, 1999 Article 26372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Aug 2000 03:53:23 GMT References: <3991fc63$1@pink.one.net.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEhhY2UgY3VhbHF1aWVyIHBlcnNvbmEgaGFibGFuIGVzcGHxb2xlcyAgMjAyOQ==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000809235323.26622.00000555@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26372 From: blnoqf@ >Viagra: >Uno de los medicamentos definitivos de nuestros tiempos Lastima para usted, la miel es más barata que Viagra Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 26373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:28:41 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <8mt954$jtp$2@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8mr40a$4lc$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: p57.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965879780 20409 203.96.192.57 (10 Aug 2000 03:56:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2000 03:56:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26373 Greetings francois-et-beatrice Is Lavender a native plant of France? you say it is "emblematic" did it orginate there? some of my ancestors originated there also i am attempting to get into your website but having a problem with my server at the moment but will keep trying and thanks for sharing carman francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle wrote in message news:8mr40a$4lc$1@wanadoo.fr... > Hello, > Lavender honey (lavandula officinalis, and lavandula officinalis x aspic) is > the main honey flow in Provence (South East of France). Between 2000 and > 2500 metric tons of this honey is produced there. Like me, several hundreds > of beekeepers move their hives on these flowers that bloom between mid june > to about 10th of July according to altitude. This honey is light, granulates > in winter and has a typical and aromatic flavour (without any relation with > the perfume of the flower). This honey has a good reputation and is sold > very good prices in France, because of its qualities and also because this > plant is emblematic of my region. > > François SERVEL > www.apiculture.com/ruchers-de-camargue > Neville Brook a écrit dans le message > <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz>... > >Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get > >Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as > >Lavender honey? > >Cheers and thanks > >Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > Article 26374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:26:05 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8mt953$jtp$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <20000809053155.15761.00000229@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p57.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965879779 20409 203.96.192.57 (10 Aug 2000 03:56:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2000 03:56:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26374 It is easy enough to propogate Lavender when you trim your plants, keep the cuttings and snip most of the leaves of the cuttings. then get a container place a mix of sand and soil or potting mix in the container... stand your cuttings in the sand mix then spray well with water cover the whole thing with a plastic bag, to keep the moisture in then check that the contents of the bag are kept moist and in 2-3 weeks those cutting should take root alternatively Lavender seed is able to be purchased in our country i have found the 'munstead' Lavender strain germinates very easily very surpised you don't get a lot of bees around your Lavender plants our bees just love our lavender Our Lavender plants are usually covered in bees in summer time carman LKLarson1 wrote in message news:20000809053155.15761.00000229@ng-ce1.aol.com... > Personally, I'd be curious where you can get enough lavender at a reasonable > price to plant a couple of acres? I have a FEW plants and the bumblebees love > them, several types, but I seldom see apis mellifera working them (maybe they > prefer other "easier" nectar sources?). > > Another question--where, in France, are the lavender fields? My daughter and > son-in-law are leaving for Southern France tomorrow and have rented a boat to > travel the canals (down in the Carcasonne--sp.?--area, a beautiful old medieval > walled city. I'd like to "steer" them to the fields. Thnx. Article 26375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ targetting feral hives Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:17:30 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 95 Message-ID: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p57.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965879110 20254 203.96.192.57 (10 Aug 2000 03:45:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2000 03:45:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26375 Greetings All It looks like our feral bees are being targetted for extinction as a measure to control the varroa mite scourge. > Waikato Times > Mite flight: ferals targeted > 08 AUGUST 2000 > > A group of Hamilton scientists is grappling with the problem of the varroa > mite, reports Kelly McAra. > > The varroa bee mite is likely to wipe out the North Island's entire feral > bee population in five years, a Hamilton scientist says. > > HortResearch apicultural scientist Mark Goodwin said this meant people who > had relied on natural pollination, such as strawberry growers, would now > have to pay to bring in hives to pollinate their crops. > > Dr Goodwin is part of a team of Ruakura scientists researching ways to > attract and kill feral bee colonies as part of any attempt to eradicate the > mite. > > He will hold a seminar on the impact of the varroa bee mite on horticulture > at the Hortenz exhibition at Mystery Creek on August 17-19. > > Dr Goodwin, who has been working with bees for 15 years, said the varroa > mite would have a major impact on New Zealand horticulture. > > "Bees will no longer be able to survive without human intervention," he > said. > > The varroa mite was detected in New Zealand on April 11. It attacks adult > bees and their developing larvae and can destroy hives, but does not harm > honey. So far, the mite has not been found in the South Island. > > Last month, the Government opted for controlling the mite instead of trying > to eradicate it. > > But Dr Goodwin said it was still necessary to do the research because when > the mite made it to the South Island the issues of eradication or control > would surface again. > > He said the initial impact of the mite would be that some beekeepers would > not provide hives for this year's kiwifruit pollination in the Bay of Plenty > because of a fear of their hives becoming infected. > > A number of infected hives have been found in that area. > > "It shouldn't create a shortfall because the balance will be picked up by > other beekeepers," Dr Goodwin said. > > "Beekeepers are trying to put off the inevitable for as long as they can." > > Pollination in city areas, such as home gardens and fruit trees in Hamilton, > would also suffer. > > Dr Goodwin said he had been working on the feral bee problem for about a > month. > > The research has three parts - finding a slow acting poison to kill the > bees, making sure it was "reasonably environmentally sensitive" and finding > good attractants to get the bees to the poison. > > "Initial results suggest it will be a little bit easier than we were > anticipating." > > He said if they could find a good attractant for the bees it would reduce > the cost of eradicating them. > > "If we could put bait stations 2km apart in the Auckland area instead of 1km > apart the cost of operation would reduce from $15 million to about $5 > million." > > Dr Goodwin said it would be relatively easy to kill off 97 per cent of feral > bee colonies. The remaining 3 per cent would be more difficult but the > year-long programme should kill most of them. > > The scientists need to find more feral bee colonies for research and would > like anyone who knows of any in the Hamilton area to call 858-4715. > > "Bees will no longer be able to survive without human intervention." Mark > Goodwin > Article 26376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Kernohan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:37:54 +0100 Organization: (Posted via) GTS Netcom. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8mub1t$5mn$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <20000809053155.15761.00000229@ng-ce1.aol.com> <965886860.223127@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-25-64.netcomuk.co.uk X-Trace: taliesin2.netcom.net.uk 965914494 5847 194.42.234.64 (10 Aug 2000 13:34:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@corp.netcom.net.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2000 13:34:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26376 I'm interested by the comment that the lavender attracts bumble bees but not honey bees - I have several different types in my garden (Munstead, Hidcote, Fringed, dwarf pink and dwarf white, Old English and the French lavenders in pink and white) and I find all attract a lot of bumble bees of differing species but that my honeybees are not as active on the lavender: they seem to go for the fuschias and lavatera which are also out by preference. Lavender can be self seeded or can be grown from cuttings - I find Hidcote and Munstead both self seed here in London. For large quantities why not try a commercial nursery specialising in hedging plants eg Buckingham Nurseries just outside Buckingham as they will quote for large orders. Rgds Sandy Article 26377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.98.98.64!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Brood inspection while fanning? Good/Bad? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3992BE0B.A58C1318@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:36:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26377 Group, Is it a bad thing when I do a brood inspection in the heat of the day and the bees are fanning? It's the dog summer here and the temp is 90 at 9:00am - hard for me to get out to the apiary when the ladies aren't fanning. Can they maintain the appropriate temps when I'm taking off boxes, pulling ot frames and looking at them, etc.? They do seem a lot more testy in the heat. Thanks, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 26378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3992BE0B.A58C1318@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Brood inspection while fanning? Good/Bad? Lines: 39 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <8zCk5.5955$4T.345965@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:32:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.220 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 965932356 12.72.46.220 (Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:32:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:32:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26378 If you are inspecting at temps below around 94f, you are actually cooling the frames you pull out. What you need to watch out for is that you don't have the frame out in the dry air long enough to dry out the eggs, but that also applies to lower temperatures where the relative humidity is low. If they are bringing in nectar, they will always be fanning so this is not necessarily an indication that they are fanning to remove heat. Bearding is an indication that they regulating the temperature. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3992BE0B.A58C1318@nospam.boeing.com... > Group, > > Is it a bad thing when I do a brood inspection in the heat of the day > and the bees are fanning? It's the dog summer here and the temp is 90 at > 9:00am - hard for me to get out to the apiary when the ladies aren't > fanning. Can they maintain the appropriate temps when I'm taking off > boxes, pulling ot frames and looking at them, etc.? They do seem a lot > more testy in the heat. > > Thanks, > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ > > > Article 26379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mixing frames sizes? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:06:18 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39930B3A.AF432BB7@uidaho.edu.no.spam> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 965937983 17014 129.101.81.41 (10 Aug 2000 20:06:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2000 20:06:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26379 I am trying to get my queen to stop laying in my third (honey) super. The third super is a medium body, where as the other two are deep bodies. The ladies are also intent on filling this upper super more than the middle one. Ugh. I am wondering about winter time. If the upper brood chamber is not full of honey, can i take a medium frame that is full and put it in the deep body brood box? (after removing the honey super). Maybe filling in the extra air space with an appropriate piece of wood. I don't own a QE but if i had one i'd put it in place! Also, i am trying to let nature take their course without much intervention. It is neat to see how the different hives grow and blossom. Cheers Matthew poll7356@uidaho.edu Article 26380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul.A.Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:14:06 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8mr0eg$5ok$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-114-54.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26380 Hello from the UK! As with any fire, the foundation is crucial. Try not to rush or skimp it, as I tend to do! What works for me is lighting a twist of newspaper, ensuring that it is flaming strongly by puffing a bit and then adding another and doing the same. Then, I add a LITTLE dry grass or leaves (pine needles and dead leylandii leaves work especially well) and puff until this is flaming. I then finish by filling the smoker with leaves/grass, the later leaves being perhaps a little less dry - but (for me) it is important to add these in layers, rather than tamping them down in a mass all at once, as this extinguishes the fire. Also (and I'm sure you know this) you need to ensure that you leave the smoker upright all the time. Another material which works is the sort of corrugated cardboard which comes in packing and so on; you need to cut it into strips and roll it tightly before lighting it from the flaming paper which you start the smoker with. Best of luck Paul "stacker" wrote in message news:ikMj5.135228$ef6.1898014@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com... > Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. > This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for > posting. > One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have > tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) > and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking > hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight > before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer > regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an > extended duration...Much thx for help on this. > > > > > > Article 26381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!europeonline.net!fr.clara.net!grolier!proxad.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:19:29 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8mr40a$4lc$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Reply-To: "francois-et-beatrice.servel-merle" NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-marseille-103-198.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 965808970 4780 193.250.122.198 (9 Aug 2000 08:16:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2000 08:16:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26381 Hello, Lavender honey (lavandula officinalis, and lavandula officinalis x aspic) is the main honey flow in Provence (South East of France). Between 2000 and 2500 metric tons of this honey is produced there. Like me, several hundreds of beekeepers move their hives on these flowers that bloom between mid june to about 10th of July according to altitude. This honey is light, granulates in winter and has a typical and aromatic flavour (without any relation with the perfume of the flower). This honey has a good reputation and is sold very good prices in France, because of its qualities and also because this plant is emblematic of my region. François SERVEL www.apiculture.com/ruchers-de-camargue Neville Brook a écrit dans le message <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz>... >Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get >Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as >Lavender honey? >Cheers and thanks >Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > Article 26382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 2000 09:31:55 GMT References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000809053155.15761.00000229@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26382 Personally, I'd be curious where you can get enough lavender at a reasonable price to plant a couple of acres? I have a FEW plants and the bumblebees love them, several types, but I seldom see apis mellifera working them (maybe they prefer other "easier" nectar sources?). Another question--where, in France, are the lavender fields? My daughter and son-in-law are leaving for Southern France tomorrow and have rented a boat to travel the canals (down in the Carcasonne--sp.?--area, a beautiful old medieval walled city. I'd like to "steer" them to the fields. Thnx. Article 26383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Tony McKee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buzzing for Info Lines: 31 Organization: The Dream of the Wooden Indian X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:12:34 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.151.234 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965823275 210.55.151.234 (Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:14:35 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:14:35 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26383 Hi Folks, just wondering if some sage souls buzzing around out there can answer the following: In the wild, do honeybees use all comb cells for rearing young as well as honey storage? Or do they keep an extra store of the golden stuff for a rainy day? Did the early American bee gum and the European skep facilitate a honey surplus? Or was the colony necessarily destroyed upon removal of a brood-laden comb from these early devices? Apparently this was the case in the primitive reed and mud cylinders of Antiquity; I'm just wondering if the bee gum and skep enabled any separation of brood and honey comb before the Quinby and Langstroth inventions. I ask these questions as input for research for an article I want to do for a local newspaper's feature section. Bees and beekeeping are quite hot topics here in New Zealand at the moment as part of the country is now host to the Varroa Bee Mite - a nasty little bugger that crept in here last April and now has a lot of keepers very worried. The NZ Govt. has instigated a multi-million dollar control program. We can only hope it works. The only good that has come of the affair is that public awareness in apiculture generally has been boosted. Any answers to the above appreciated. I must say that since researching this topic I can see why beekeeping is so contagious. Absolutely fascinating! ;-) Cheers, Tony McKee Article 26384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!easynews!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Forrest Fire Impact ??? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:01:03 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <39901a83.81978851@news.cyberport.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26384 back in the summer of '98 firestrom in n.e.fla.(usa) we had about a month straight of smoke/haze in the air...seem to have observed an abnormal number of queen failures during that fall, perhaps as a direct result of masking of pheromones and/or indirect desensitization of bees' sensory systems to hive scents...however, can't rule out other environmental variables such as drought and/or loss of forage due to fires... Article 26385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Cox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wet supers Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:02:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8ms5oh$1c3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-39.orbic-cardinal.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 965843537 1411 62.137.44.167 (9 Aug 2000 17:52:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2000 17:52:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26385 If you put an empty super box between the crownboard and the wet supers they will clean them out (in my experience). If you havae a fairly small hole ont he top of the croiwnboard thios helps too, If you leave them to be robbed it will cause a olot of excitement to say the least. "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com... > I hear you're supposed to give "wet supers back to the bees". How do you best > accomplish this? Put out where all the bees can clean them out (or will this > encourage widespread robbing)? Put individual supers back on individual hives? > If so, how do you get them to clean it out rather than just using what is > there/left as the beginning of another super (which I sure don't want since I > leave enough for them to winter over without adding a super)? Put the wet > super on the top or possibly should it be put on the bottom so they'll store > the honey on one of the top bodies? Thnx. > > Buzzylee > > Article 26386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The National Honey Show with International classes Message-ID: <965839149@zbee.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:39:09 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 965845086 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26386 The 69th National Honey Show with International Classes and Beekeepers' Lecture Convention. The biggest honey show in the world takes place at Kensington Town Hall, London, England 16th,17th & 18th November, 2000. Organised by The National Honey Show limited Further details including Show Schedule are available at the honeyshow web site http://www.honeyshow.co.uk * 2000 Lecture Programme * 2000 Show Schedule * Schedule in German & French * Entry form * Preparation & showing honey article * Junior Bee Quiz * Show Forum * Keep informed by subscribing to the honeyshow mailing list * Show and compete with the best in the world! Steven Turner st@zbee.com ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 26387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:56:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8ms5vf$1eu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.75 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 09 17:56:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.75 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26387 >"stacker" wrote: > I would appreciate any tips you can offer > regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for > an extended duration...Much thx for help on this. *********************************************8 Howdy Stacker -- As you can see, every beekeep has their favorite fuel. I have tried many of them, but dry pine straw is my favorite. If you leave it in a driveway or street a day or so traffic will sorta shred it and it handles better. The secret on any fuel is to not rush it when starting and do not pack fuel in so that air supply is limited. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buzzing for Info Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:10:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8ms6q0$299$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.75 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 09 18:10:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.75 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26388 , >"Tony McKee" wrote: > In the wild, do honeybees use all comb cells for rearing young as well >as honey storage? Or do they keep an extra store of the golden stuff >for a rainy day? > I'm just wondering if the bee gum and skep enabled any separation of >brood and honey comb? > Cheers, Tony McKee ************************************************************ Howdy Tony -- I have no experience with skeps, but bee gums are made from a 3' to 4' section of hollow tree (usually sweetgum or blackgum). Two cross pieces of wood about 1" x 1" are nailed in place 1/3 of the way down from the top. This makes two chambers, but there is nothing to keep the queen from going upstairs. At least it was not necessary to destroy the colony. The next improvement was to make a "box hive" from 4 pieces of 1"x12" with the cross pieces in place as described above. I bought a lot of these colonies for $1.00 each in the 1930's. It was a simple matter of smoking and driving the bees into a modern hive. Brood comb was tied into emply frames as is still done when removing bees from a wall, etc. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Garlic vs Varroa ?? Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:22:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8ms7gs$2p5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.75 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 09 18:22:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.75 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26389 Howdy All -- A beekeeper recently told me of using garlic in hives to control Varroa mites. Anyone had any experience with this? Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39933EB4.8D43605@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing frames sizes? References: <39930B3A.AF432BB7@uidaho.edu.no.spam> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:39:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.237.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965950741 24.92.237.2 (Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:39:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:39:01 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26390 Wouln't advise it, Matthew. Get yourself a queen excluder, a.s.a.p., and put the queen in the bottom box. Set the excluder over that. In that way you would be arranging things just right for this late in the season, and take care of the "high" brood problem. Doing what you proposed would be much less than ideal. Probably disastrous. The solid piece of wood would prevent the in-cell clustering which the bees require during the cold of winter to maintain temperature and a compact cluster. Another option would be to set the medium super on the bottom-board now, with the brood chambers above, so that the queen and brood are down at the bottom of the hive. Then the bees will get to work filling the upper deep box with winter stores. The only drawback to the latter plan is that you won't get the medium super filled with any surplus, if there is an abundant late-summer or fall honey flow. Using the excluder is simpler and more reliable. By putting the queen down into the bottom box, you allow the bees to fill the upper deep box with winter stores, and then, if there is enough extra for a surplus, they will fill the medium honey super (and maybe one or two more!) for you to harvest at the close of Autumn. (Just remember to remove the excluder from between the deep boxes before winter. The cluster shifts upwards over the course of winter, and if the queen is trapped below by an excluder, she will probably be lost.) Matthew Pollard wrote: > I am trying to get my queen to stop laying in my third (honey) super. > The third super is a medium body, where as the other two are deep > bodies. The ladies are also intent on filling this upper super more than > the middle one. Ugh. I am wondering about winter time. If the upper > brood chamber is not full of honey, can i take a medium frame that is > full and put it in the deep body brood box? (after removing the honey > super). Maybe filling in the extra air space with an appropriate piece > of wood. I don't own a QE but if i had one i'd put it in place! Also, i > am trying to let nature take their course without much intervention. It > is neat to see how the different hives grow and blossom. > > Cheers > Matthew > poll7356@uidaho.edu Article 26391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: zadigvolta@aol.comnojunk (Zadigvolta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers ......what is the secret. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 2000 00:00:28 GMT References: <3991EA12.317E3785@nowhere.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000810200029.15925.00000006@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26391 Here's the secret! Save the paper that is found between the sheets of wax foundation. A sheet or two of this paper will serve as a very good base for the fire in the smoker. The paper started, place a roll of corrugated cardboard (no plastic tape) with the holes pointed down (very important) so that they may serve as "flues" to feed air to the fire down below. One roll of cardboard, tightly rolled and just a little smaller that the size between the top edge and about an inch from the bottom plate. You can start a smoker with this fuel and the "foundation" paper in less than two minutes and it will easily last your ten hives. Try this method if you are ever in a smoker lighting contest. If you have a really vicious hive, you might try a little bit of slumgum on top of the roll of cardboard so that the wax and old cocoons burn and melt into the smoke. Such smoke tends to quiet them down rather fast. Many strips of cardboard just the size needed can be cut ahead of time and easily stored behind the seat of the truck. Article 26392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39933FB6.AD53B986@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Garlic vs Varroa ?? References: <8ms7gs$2p5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:43:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.237.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965950996 24.92.237.2 (Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:43:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:43:16 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26392 Yikes! Surely that would drive the bees nuts!? Or at least make them awfully nasty!! I would think -- if they react to garlic in any similar way as they do to onion... phew! Sounds very interesting though... j Pete wrote: > Howdy All -- > > A beekeeper recently told me of using garlic in hives to control > Varroa mites. Anyone had any experience with this? > > Pete > > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Garlic vs Varroa ?? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:14:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8mvgh2$gn6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ms7gs$2p5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39933FB6.AD53B986@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.71 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 11 00:14:29 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.71 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26393 > JGinNY wrote: > Yikes! Surely that would drive the bees nuts!? Or at least make >them awfully nasty!! I would think -- if they react to garlic in any >similar way as they do to onion... phew! > Sounds very interesting though... *********************************************** Howdy JG -- I'm bound to try it. I'll let you know. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tom Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ms7gs$2p5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Garlic vs Varroa ?? Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <3IIk5.20292$NH2.167051@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:31:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.150.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 965957503 24.218.150.158 (Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:31:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:31:43 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26394 Do you suppose there is a market for garlic flavored honey? Not. Aren't you concerned the garlic would effect the flavor of the honey? Perhaps the regimen is after harvest. "Pete" wrote in message news:8ms7gs$2p5$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > Howdy All -- > > A beekeeper recently told me of using garlic in hives to control > Varroa mites. Anyone had any experience with this? > > Pete > > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queening Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:19:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8mvnrc$m39$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> <2594cf54.603ff047@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com> <3975a764.746349937@west.usenetserver.com> <#2fZ3kA9$GA.369@cpmsnbbsa07> <397c3def.1178104703@west.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 11 02:19:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.12 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26395 I've had a lot more experience with skunks than I care to have. They love to eat your bees, generally at night but sometimes in the afternoon too. typical symptoms are very exciteable hives,almost african actually. you try to work with them and the really come after you after doing something really normal like pulling a frame for inspection. Even walking near the thing sometimes sets a few dozen of them into attack mode. I put carpet nailing strips at the end of the bottom board entrance. These are the thin wooden strips that are used to hold wall to wall carpeting in place. the nails are curved in one direction, so I nail them to the bottom boards with the nail points facing inwards. The skunks catch their paws on them and decide the pain isn't worth making this a regular stop. I have used foot traps anchored in front of the hives such that the skunk can't hide under or behind the hive. they are usually dead when I find them and yes I check every day. I frankly got tired of digging holes to bury them and dealing with the smell. the nail boards have reduced the visitations but I have two hives that the skunks still manage to get a meal from. IDEALLY a low electrified fence, like four strands from 3" to 18" would completely halt the visits, but then you have weed maintenance and your mobility over it or a gate arrangement. I haven't done that yet but the concept is becoming a bit more appealing. What can a skunk do to your hives? they can literally eat you out of house and home, the bee's home anyway. they eat them by the pound not by the dozen. they can, unchecked, keep your hive in a mode of merely surviving and honey production will be markedly reduced. telltale signs are scratches on the front of the hive sometimes with mud streaks. Always the grass will be down usually scratched off to the dirt as they roll the bees to kill them then eat them. look for the signs and react as you need. Good luck, -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ targetting feral hives Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:06:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 965906442 nnrp-03:12751 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26396 In article <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >Greetings All >It looks like our feral bees are being targetted for extinction as a measure >to control the varroa mite scourge. Has anyone considered that any feral colonies that survive varroa might have enough adaptive behaviours in their repertoire to rebuild the gene- pool in the feral population and give it back to the beekeepers' colonies? Since untreated beekeepers' colonies in the U.S. are surviving, might not their feral cousins also survive. Are we presuming too much to think that *all* feral colonies have died out or will die out? Has anyone done any kind of study anywhere on this? If any survive, then NZ has the other option of leaving it to nature and letting nature provide the experimental conditions, which so far as I know all other countries have done. I don't actually see the point of killing feral colonies anyway. Beekeepers' swarms will repopulate the wild with bees and varroa, even though they won't last more than a couple of years (most?). So, left alone, it might take a couple of years longer for the wild population to reduce to an equilibrium level. BTW one mechanism for survival in the wild might be annual or even more frequent swarming. Each swarm at peak brood time will leave most varroa behind giving the swarm a season to rebuild before mite numbers precipitate a new swarm. Sooner or later, adaptive behaviours will surely come to the fore as non-adaptive colonies die. P.S. I am not a biologist so these are questions. -- James Kilty Article 26397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ targetting feral hives Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:06:56 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 72 Message-ID: <8mvsff$919$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3992FB03.9EC0860A@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965965103 9257 203.96.192.4 (11 Aug 2000 03:38:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 2000 03:38:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26397 Thanks James and John I'm forwarding your comments to a NZ e-list to glean what the national beekeepers assoc think of your ideas and i am willing to guess they will come back with some wicked responses ... so i'm presently waiting for my butt to get sorely burned ...i'll let you know what they say thanks again carman John Edwards wrote in message news:3992FB03.9EC0860A@tucson.ars.ag.gov... > > James Kilty wrote: > > > In article <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > > writes > > >Greetings All > > >It looks like our feral bees are being targetted for extinction as a measure > > >to control the varroa mite scourge. > > What you lose, you will never regain. > > > > > Has anyone considered that any feral colonies that survive varroa might > > have enough adaptive behaviours > > > > > BTW one mechanism for survival in the wild might be annual or even more > > frequent swarming. > > -- > > James Kilty > > I suppose it would be inflamatory to suggest that introducing africanized bees to > NZ might give the bee population another mite defense ?? - It seems to have > helped here. > Prof. Warwick Kerr originally wanted to select for gentler AHB in Africa. He > was well aware of their ferocity. The failure of the bees to survive the trip to > Brazil was the reason he eventually settled for unselected stock, probably > leading to our present situation. (at least this is one of the less-known > versions of the story). Well-selected stocks might lead to shorter time in the > cell, more swarming, and more and quicker buildup of mite resistance. > - Just a different point of view. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > John F. Edwards > Biological Lab. Technician > "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" > Carl Hayden Bee Research Center > Agricultural Research Service - USDA > 2000 E. Allen Road > Tucson, Arizona 85719 > > 32.27495 N > 110.9402 W > http://198.22.133.109/ > http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html > > Article 26398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Aug 2000 05:08:51 GMT References: <8mub1t$5mn$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Message-ID: <20000811010851.14865.00000750@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26398 I keep looking to see what I'm missing, and the bumblebees love my (single) lavender plant (have no idea what type--it's purple is all I know). It's funny tho, we're having a nectar drought right now in our area of Oregon and in my yard, the honeybees are attacking my elephant garlic en masse, which normally is the sole domain of my bumblebees. Maybe there is role reversal going on..... Article 26399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding a queen Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:27:15 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8n1gd4$aie$1@news.jump.net> References: <20000811141829.12370.00000393@ng-fb1.aol.com> X-Trace: news.jump.net 966018276 10830 207.8.9.139 (11 Aug 2000 18:24:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26399 That sounds logical to me too. I have a friend who has a hive that is very roudy. I actually suspect possibly a little Africanization. They are in a ten frame hive body with only about five frames in it and the rest has been filled in with comb attached to the roof and sides. I'm trying to find the quickest and most efficient method of finding the queen, so I can get rid of her and unite this hive with a gentle nuc. The fume board idea sounds pretty good ... Any other comments??? LKLarson1 wrote in message news:20000811141829.12370.00000393@ng-fb1.aol.com... > Other than running the bees through a bee excluder, would using a fume board > work in quickly finding the queen--I assume almost all the bees except for the > queen and a few attendants would be forced to the bottom chamber, leaving just > her and a few little guys, easy to locate? > > Article 26400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ targetting feral hives Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:31:12 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3994385F.C9EFDCB5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26400 Teri Bachus wrote: > in response to Carman: > suggest you urge consideration of feral honey bee "refuges" in isolated > areas where commercial beekeeping industry may be less impacted so that > natural selection can be allowed to seek out "survivor" stocks undisturbed > by those who claim "Bees will no longer be able to survive without human > intervention." > > in response to John Edwards: > why not go for the cape bees instead (a.m.capensis)...no ferocity in nest > defense as well as more > genetic flexibility to deal with the mites, plus no need to requeen? Of course, the Cape Bee has several other undesirable characteristics (so I've heard, at least). -- John ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Bee_d00d Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:32:34 -0700 Organization: Amalgamated, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3991EA12.317E3785@nowhere.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.ad.b6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-UNICODE-2-0-UTF-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 9 Aug 2000 23:28:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26401 I see that many have offered sound instructions on how to light the smoker, and what materials to use. Little to add to that. As a couple of people have said, it's much like building any fire. I get good results using dry leaves. However, if your problem relates more to keeping the thing going rather than lighting the initial fire, check to make sure that the airflow passages in your smoker haven't become plugged with tar, ash, and other debris. Once you get it going good, ive 'er a squeeze from time to time, and when you place it down to pick up a frame or do something else, make sure that the air intake at the bottom faces into the wind. stacker wrote: > > Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. > This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for > posting. > One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have > tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) > and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking > hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight > before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer > regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an > extended duration...Much thx for help on this. Article 26402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:41:28 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <397b9357.48390642@news.usit.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26402 for those in already africanized areas (or soon likely to be, such as the s.e. usa), the following studies by the usda tucson bee lab should be of interest: "When attempting to reduce defensive behavior in your colonies, queen replacement may not be the best strategy..." http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/rf/pilot/index.html "Queen Development Time and the Africanization of European Honey Bees" http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/rf/queen/gloria.html Article 26403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Breeding for Varroa resistence Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <8lmjg8$lu2$2@news.wave.co.nz> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26403 for a technical report on "Producing Varroa-Tolerant Honey Bees" by the usda tucson bee lab see: http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/publ/tolerant.html for more popular articles go to: http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/rf/index.html Article 26404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!inn.jlab.org!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ targetting feral hives Message-ID: References: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 5 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:25:02 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:18:56 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26404 In article <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz>, calm@wave.co.nz says... > > A number of infected hives have been found in that area. > > > I think you should say "infested" rather than "infected" dude. Article 26405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <20000809053155.15761.00000229@ng-ce1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965886860.223127@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-142.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:15:29 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965886879 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:54:39 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:54:39 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26405 "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000809053155.15761.00000229@ng-ce1.aol.com... > Personally, I'd be curious where you can get enough lavender at a reasonable > price to plant a couple of acres? I have a FEW plants and the bumblebees love > them, several types, but I seldom see apis mellifera working them (maybe they > prefer other "easier" nectar sources?). > > Another question--where, in France, are the lavender fields? My daughter and > son-in-law are leaving for Southern France tomorrow and have rented a boat to > travel the canals (down in the Carcasonne--sp.?--area, a beautiful old medieval > walled city. I'd like to "steer" them to the fields. Thnx. Hello, Lavender purchased on a commercial basis is not too expensive to purchase when you consider the by-products that you can obtain, besides honey there is lavender oil and dried flowers. Also one does not have to wait too long before getting a crop. Depending on the type of lavender you plant - whether you want the plants for oil or dried flowers, determines how many plants can be planted on an acre, but, on average approx 4,000 - 6,000 plants. The lavender I have in my garden is covered in honey bees from the time they start to flower to the time they finish. Absolutely covered, makes gardening interesting! My garden lavender (which is different from the commercially grown variety), self seeds all over the place and I just move the little seedlings to wherever I want another lavender plant. As Carman says, they grow so easily from cuttings also. I'd just love to see the lavender fields in France, must be absolutely beautiful. Cheers Liz (NZ) Article 26406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding a queen Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:11:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8n1mki$4rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000811141829.12370.00000393@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.98 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 11 20:11:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.98 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26406 > lklarson1 wrote: > Other than running the bees through a bee excluder, would using a fume > board work. ************************************************** Howdy lk -- Personally, I would not use a fume board for this purpose. It is rough on the bees and is also not effective in making them leave brood. They will just stay with the brood and suffer. If you have trouble finding her in the normal way, the next best is to set the hive off a couple of yards away and put a hive of some sort in its place for an hour or so for all the field bees to return to the old location. This makes it much easier for you to locate her. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!news100.image.dk!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pictures! Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:52:20 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8mufn9$46l$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip79.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 965919273 4309 195.249.242.79 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26407 Hello: overwintering 5-frame nucs in styrofoam this year. I have put a little package of pictures (5 pieces) 800KB jpg format on the server, showing a Canadian ovewintering bee yard on five frames styropor hives in British Columbia Canada. Http://apimo.dk/programs/canada.exe selfextracting exefile. or http://apimo.dk/programs/canada.zip the beekeeper have thousands of hives and kill his production hives in Alberta every Year, then using the overwintering five frames nuc's in spring. best regards Jorn Johanesson best regards Jorn Johanesson New beekeing software and updates also beekeeping software for handheld computers. http://apimo.dk/programs/Bidata_palm2.zip for Palm compatible OS see Http://apimo.dk/whatsnew.htm http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update3.exe EDBi = Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 home page = HTTP:\\apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees recycle wax? Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:26:42 -0600 Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8n25i6$luu$1@hardcore.ivn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-8-133.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 966039942 22494 207.174.108.133 (12 Aug 2000 00:25:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 2000 00:25:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26408 I was in my hives the other day, and scraped up a lot of bridge/burr comb. Since these are first-year hives that still need to draw out a couple of frames, I squished the wax together and tossed it into each hive, figuring that they might be able to chew it up and draw out comb with it. Was this a wasted effort, or will they actually reuse it? Article 26409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3992C41B.3ED3E64F@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <20000809053155.15761.00000229@ng-ce1.aol.com> <965886860.223127@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8mub1t$5mn$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:04:25 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-meZeYBFXDPz0xrDoJSO4qPAK7/70AzZZBFhw3uzkwQoMVK5M5cpclNyz19eDuG0bIA2NiuAZjQfNuz7!wN5xb5SbPdU6lm0cAgwVcJXb X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:02:51 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26409 Hugh Kernohan wrote: > > I'm interested by the comment that the lavender attracts bumble bees but not > honey bees - I have several different types in my garden (Munstead, Hidcote, > Fringed, dwarf pink and dwarf white, Old English and the French lavenders in > pink and white) and I find all attract a lot of bumble bees of differing > species but that my honeybees are not as active on the lavender: they seem > to go for the fuschias and lavatera which are also out by preference. Yo Sandy: We don't have any lavatera (do have a close relative, malva) but we do have fuschias. I don't know what would cause the difference in our experience from yours, other than perhaps we don't have other blooms that our honey bees prefer producing nectar at the same time as the lavender, but when the lavender is in bloom here we have to fight the honey bees off with a stick. :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 26410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fume boards Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:34:58 -0600 Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8n261r$m6o$1@hardcore.ivn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-8-133.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 966040443 22744 207.174.108.133 (12 Aug 2000 00:34:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 2000 00:34:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26410 1. Any tips on using a stink board, for somebody who's never used one and is about to try? Previously I've used escapes, but those aren't that effective and I'm afraid to leave them on too long in the heat. 2. I have potential customers who are dogmatic about no chemicals being used in the hive. Does bee-go/honey-robber count? Anybody ever have their honey affected, or any other effects from the stink? Thanks Spike Psarris Article 26411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees that swarm Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 2000 01:58:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000811215835.27199.00000568@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26411 I'm curious, having just had my observation hive swarm (purposedly, having let it get crowded over the summer), how do the bees determine which bees leave with a swarm (& which bees stay), let alone, how many of the little guys will leave/stay? In this case, not enough left and I'll think I'll be able to get them tomorrow, hive them, then combine them later with another weak hive that I need to feed anyway. Article 26412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fume boards Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:07:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8n2bhr$jho$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n261r$m6o$1@hardcore.ivn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 12 02:07:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26412 > "Spike Psarris" wrote: > 1. Any tips on using a stink board, for somebody who's never used one >and is about to try? Previously I've used escapes, but those aren't >that effective and I'm afraid to leave them on too long in the heat. > 2. I have potential customers who are dogmatic about no chemicals >being used in the hive. Does bee-go/honey-robber count? Anybody ever >have their honey affected, or any other effects from the stink? > Spike Psarris ************************************************** Howdy Spike -- The warmer the weather, the quicker the stink works. Instead of going entirely by the clock, raise it up and check after a couple of minutes. Check again as needed so it does not stay on longer than necessary. I have never had the stuff impart odor or taste to honey. it is a very volatile liquid and gets away pretty fast. I suggest making a temporary board from an old outer cover or plywood. Several layers of paper towels held in place by screen wire or hardware cloth -- and leave it at the yard. Don't try to take it home with you in your car or truck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees recycle wax? Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:14:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8n2btb$js2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n25i6$luu$1@hardcore.ivn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 12 02:14:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26413 > "Spike Psarris" wrote: > I squished the wax together and tossed it into each hive, >figuring that they might be able to chew it up and draw out comb with >it.Was this a wasted effort, or will they actually reuse it? ******************************************************* Howdy Spike -- Bees do recycle wax of their own choosing. The "ladders" they build on the bottom board are this type. Sometimes queen cells seem to be made from old wax. I have never caught them using wax intentionally left unattached in the hive. Let us know if they do use any of that you tossed in. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasp problem Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:41:23 -0700 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8n3uq3$22to$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 966098564 68536 204.216.255.93 (12 Aug 2000 16:42:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26414 I have quite a few of those wasps this year. I don't know what they are called, but they look almost exactly like bees, brighter yellow and slimmer. But, they eat bees. I live in southern California. They are the carnivore type that are around when you picnic. I saw one yesterday take one of my girls and rip her head, wings etc off and them fly away with the goods. They seem to be all over my 3 acres, so it must be a big hive. I think they are around this year because of the greater quantity of food, my bees. Can anyone help me? I would like to find the nest. I have tried to follow them, but with no luck. I don't think they have done any great damage to the bee hive, yet. Thanks, Dave Article 26415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Bob C Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removing ground bees Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:08:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8n3spb$j6t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n3cqh$953$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8n3eg3$a5a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.157 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 12 16:08:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; CS 2000; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.157 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbobm57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26415 In article <8n3eg3$a5a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <8n3cqh$953$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > Bob C wrote: > > We went away on vacation and when we returned I found a nest of bees > in > > our front yard. They have made about a quarter size hole in the dirt > > and are active. Is there any way to get them to abandon this nest and > > move elsewhere? I really don't want to use commercial pesticides on > > them. > > > > Bob > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > If you don't mind killing them pour some gasoline on them. Do it > before daylight when they are all home. Bumblebees and yellowjackets > both nest in the ground and both are our friends. One pollinates and > the other eats caterpillars, so I would hate to see them killed. But I > don't know how to make them move. You could try running water in their > hole for several days. > Herb > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Thanks for the reply Herb. I really don't want to kill them and was hoping I could get them to move elsewhere. Have you heard of the water idea working? Bob > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ targetting feral hives Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:57:08 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3992FB03.9EC0860A@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26416 James Kilty wrote: > In article <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >Greetings All > >It looks like our feral bees are being targetted for extinction as a measure > >to control the varroa mite scourge. What you lose, you will never regain. > > Has anyone considered that any feral colonies that survive varroa might > have enough adaptive behaviours > > BTW one mechanism for survival in the wild might be annual or even more > frequent swarming. > -- > James Kilty I suppose it would be inflamatory to suggest that introducing africanized bees to NZ might give the bee population another mite defense ?? - It seems to have helped here. Prof. Warwick Kerr originally wanted to select for gentler AHB in Africa. He was well aware of their ferocity. The failure of the bees to survive the trip to Brazil was the reason he eventually settled for unselected stock, probably leading to our present situation. (at least this is one of the less-known versions of the story). Well-selected stocks might lead to shorter time in the cell, more swarming, and more and quicker buildup of mite resistance. - Just a different point of view. ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3995B798.D6FD19A@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding a queen References: <20000811141829.12370.00000393@ng-fb1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:39:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.237.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 966112758 24.92.237.20 (Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:39:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:39:18 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26417 Don't count on this working, LK. The queen will surely run down with the all the others, if not before!!! There is no way she would just ignore the fumes herself. That is almost impossible. Pete's suggestion is very helpful, and that procedure makes finding the queen much easier, if it happens to be necessary. You just return the orig. hive to its regular stand once you are through. LKLarson1 wrote: > Other than running the bees through a bee excluder, would using a fume board > work in quickly finding the queen--I assume almost all the bees except for the > queen and a few attendants would be forced to the bottom chamber, leaving just > her and a few little guys, easy to locate? Article 26418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ targetting feral hives Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:41:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26418 in response to Carman: suggest you urge consideration of feral honey bee "refuges" in isolated areas where commercial beekeeping industry may be less impacted so that natural selection can be allowed to seek out "survivor" stocks undisturbed by those who claim "Bees will no longer be able to survive without human intervention." in response to John Edwards: why not go for the cape bees instead (a.m.capensis)...no ferocity in nest defense as well as more genetic flexibility to deal with the mites, plus no need to requeen? Article 26419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unfiltered Honey Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 11 Aug 2000 02:42:59 GMT References: <8mrevd$gdi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000810224259.01123.00000332@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26419 >I would like to know if anyone has any strong testimonials or knowlege >regarding the benefits of eating unfiltered honey (contains >pollen/wax/propolis etc.) over store bought blended and highly filtered >honey. I know it is better for you but can some one explain to refresh my >memory as to why it is so? > >Personally, I like mine filtered but many of our customers want nothing but >our unfiltered honey and I can tell you the majority of those people are >well into their 80's and 90's and in very good health...they buy a couple >gallons at a time! I'm thinking they know something the rest of us don't! > >Great Day to all-- >Busybee > > >I'm a strong believer in the merits of pollen and propolis. If you want your dose in your honey thats fine, but I prefer filtered honey mainly for it clarity. I also sell pollen as a food supplement and try to steer customers toward the pollen to help aid with allergies. For the stubborn customers I keep unfiltered on hand. Its what in the honey that makes it healthy not the honey itself...except for the antimicrobial properties. Happy beekeeping. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jeff1020@aol.comxxx (Jeff Reader) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Aug 2000 03:47:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Honey Plant? Message-ID: <20000810234746.12174.00000616@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26420 Does any one know is bees can get nector from ginseng? No XXX in my E-mail Article 26421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Aug 2000 05:06:15 GMT References: <965886860.223127@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Message-ID: <20000811010615.14865.00000749@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26421 Thnx for the great information. How on earth do you extract oil from the lavender? Any easy way for old fingers, like mine? Can you get more than one cutting, also, from a single "branch" of lavender--i.e., cut a long stem into several pieces and immerse in the sand/compost mix? Article 26422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!atlas.lcc.net!usenet From: "nomad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:09:24 -0500 Organization: LCC Internet Lines: 71 Message-ID: <8n0d2f$o44@atlas.lcc.net> References: <39901964.8E56C1BE@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncgd-pri1-a42.txucom.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26422 According to that bee magazine review, the BC workshop video with Dr. James Tew, and a few other videos and my own extremely limited experience (six hives since April) I can state the following about smokers. 1) Murphy's law. the smoker always goes out when you need it most. 2) pine needles. lots of cool smoke. fairly easy to keep going. and free here in the piney woods. keep plenty on hand to refuel b/t hives. 3) woods chips, burlap, grass, punk wood, pine cones, fuel plugs-- free or cheap. can be added to pine needles to give them staying power. 4) if you don't pump the bellows every now and then the smoker will go out -- even if you don't need it. 5) hot smoke with little flamey embers will ruin the bees day and yours. 6) some wet grass or green leaves in the top of the smoker will help prevent #5. 7) Paper is right out. except to help start wood chips. Paper will cause those hot ember showers for sure. Also according to the Tew video and the other scources: get the smoker going really well with some fuel, add more fuel to smother it down a cool white smoke, and repeat untill you've finished adding fuel to your smoker. I use a mix of pine needles and pine cones plus whatever else I have handy and keep a couple of those BBQ lighters to light and relight the smoker. I found a BBQ lighter that refills with butane. A bit cheaper in the long run than the disposables. -- -- to : My email mirrors my name: damon :: nomad "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:39901964.8E56C1BE@riverace.com... > There was an article about smoker material in a recent American Bee > Journal or Bee Culture (I forget which). As I remember, cedar shavings > (like you'd get for a hamster cage) worked best. Pine needles were right > up there too. > > I've tried the cotton plugs sold in bee supply catalogs and they also > work well and last a long time - if you can tolerate paying money for > something you burn up :-) > > -Steve > > stacker wrote: > > > > Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. > > This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for > > posting. > > One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have > > tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) > > and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking > > hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight > > before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer > > regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an > > extended duration...Much thx for help on this. > > -- > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 26423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Finding a queen Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 2000 18:18:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000811141829.12370.00000393@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26423 Other than running the bees through a bee excluder, would using a fume board work in quickly finding the queen--I assume almost all the bees except for the queen and a few attendants would be forced to the bottom chamber, leaving just her and a few little guys, easy to locate? Article 26424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Aug 2000 23:46:27 GMT References: <8n261r$m6o$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: fume boards Message-ID: <20000812194627.16869.00000929@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26424 Hi Spike. I've made lots of mistakes with the chemicals and, the first time, I used so much "bee gone" that the bees looked like a blur vacating the hives. Further, the stuff smelled on my combs and frames (had to toss out my gloves, finally) for weeks, preventing me from extracting the honey. Even weeks later, the frames had the odor. So--I still occasionally use chemicals (yesterday), but with only a few drops--tried yesterday with one drop, it didn't work, then two--finally, about 15-20 regular size drops seemed to be about right. I've been airing the frames out since then and they still stink--nothing like before, and I have another pair of gloves to toss out. Good luck. Buzzylee Article 26425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Aug 2000 23:52:44 GMT References: <966069886.690438@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Message-ID: <20000812195244.16869.00000930@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26425 Thanks--I'll try it--my single plant looks like "i don't know what" (not much left) and I'll try making each stem having an opportunity to pass on its genes. Meantime, I'm checking out some sources (haven't found one yet), locally, of buying plants/cuttings/seeds, after hearing such glowing comments about lavender. Anyone ever tasted Yemen's honey (forget the name)--supposed to be very pricy but delicious? Article 26426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 28 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Aug 2000 00:03:14 GMT References: <8mm5io$qfh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Message-ID: <20000812200314.16869.00000932@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26426 Bravo. Your story touched my heart. I'm not a total chicken and get a lot of stings over the season, almost all my fault, but keep thinking there are bee folk out there who meditatively and softly work with their bees using no protecting or little of it and they have a special manner or gift that allows them to do so. (I hope this is the case and every once in a while, I've heard and read there are.) With me, I get stung. I work slowly and respectfully, but it seems I get a "narky" hive, or jar them or step on them, or bump them (if I'm wearing gloves) and then "ouch". I've been stung two days in a row on my chin thru the (sherif style) veil--must be sticking my chin out. So, I'm a new enough hobbyist that I still like hearing sting stories, especially from experienced folk like you--sort of makes you think you're not all fingers. I loved (was it James Tew?) the recent article in one of the (US) bee mags about "private" stings vs. "public" stings--privately, I say "ouch" pretty loud (still wonder if bees really can hear, in spite of reading that they can't), sometimes some rather mild curses. Publically, in showing off hives to others, I usually hardly make a sound and pretend it didn't happen or hurt (as I increase the smoke around the sting area to disguise the odor). But, the most I've had is around 9 stings and they taught me a good lesson about being rather cocky and overconfident (not respectful). And, I've found bees really can, if motivated, sting through about anything, certainly every bee outfit I've had. Article 26427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Aug 2000 00:08:12 GMT References: <8maoe6$r5i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Thanks Lee's Bees! Message-ID: <20000812200812.16869.00000934@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26427 Thanks for the thanks--and if anyone else wants a "stick on bee" or two, drop me a line w/your address, and I'll send some to you (free)--are fun for the kids and occasionally (when I'm feeling real eccentric), I'll stick one on my shoulder when I'm off to friends or to one of the local fairs, etc. Article 26428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Aug 2000 00:06:20 GMT References: <398F2340.BB259D9A@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Message-ID: <20000812200620.16869.00000933@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26428 what is your opinion of the rate of movement of the African bees? I'm in the Willamette Valley part of Oregon and I hear that the African bees will move right up from Ca. through the warm valleys clear up to B.C., until the cooler areas stop them. And, most of what I have read says it will take many, many years. Yet, my friends in SanDiego say "hogwash" (not their exact word)--that they are moving lots faster than you'd think and will be up within five years or even sooner. Guess we could use a new design for our bee outfits w/some new technology, no? Article 26429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Aug 2000 00:30:50 GMT References: <8mc58h$7sa$0@208.249.8.75> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Message-ID: <20000812203050.16869.00000935@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26429 I've never read any convincing facts in spite of having seen lots of varying opinions, but allergists I've talked with say that actually only one out of every 200 to one out of every 1000 people are truly (seriously) allergic to bees, having a serious systemic, life-threating reaction. Of course, everyone you talk with "out there" swears they are allergic, all remembering their first sting, sort of like "where were you when JFK was killed" type of thing. I've read, however, much different things about allergic reactions, like 20 out of 100 people, etc. So, it's a mystery.... And, as I get stung more, the reactions are much less, as is my fear. And, I still say "ouch". Buzzylee Article 26430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fume boards Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:12:39 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8n5007$ahe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <8n261r$m6o$1@hardcore.ivn.net> <20000812194627.16869.00000929@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-64.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 966132551 10798 209.130.165.64 (13 Aug 2000 02:09:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 2000 02:09:11 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26430 Hi Lee-- Are you dropping this right into the hive? I know the picture on the old containers of bee-go look as though you put it directly into the hive...which is definately the wrong way to use the stuff. Invest in a few fume boards and squirt the bee-go into the cloth of the fume board. The bee-go should NEVER come in contact with any part of the hive. The stuff works best on hot sunny days and then the less you need to squirt on the fume boards. We buy the butric acid in the 5 gallon pail and transfer it into a water/beverage plastic bottle with the sports-type drink spout. Be sure to store with the fume boards (not in the cab of your truck or toolbox or you will go silly with stink!) and/or label appropriately. --Busybee LKLarson1 wrote in message news:20000812194627.16869.00000929@ng-fb1.aol.com... > Hi Spike. > > I've made lots of mistakes with the chemicals and, the first time, I used so > much "bee gone" that the bees looked like a blur vacating the hives. Further, > the stuff smelled on my combs and frames (had to toss out my gloves, finally) > for weeks, preventing me from extracting the honey. Even weeks later, the > frames had the odor. > > So--I still occasionally use chemicals (yesterday), but with only a few > drops--tried yesterday with one drop, it didn't work, then two--finally, about > 15-20 regular size drops seemed to be about right. I've been airing the > frames out since then and they still stink--nothing like before, and I have > another pair of gloves to toss out. Good luck. > > Buzzylee > > Article 26431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 64.10.177.13 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: Breeding for Varroa resistence Lines: 33 From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01b2d130.2470a8a8@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com> References: <8lmjg8$lu2$2@news.wave.co.nz> <8lnish$t8i$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8lp54j$9p4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Bytes: 1143 X-Wren-Trace: eDseNjcuaSNoeiM/O3U+EiAmPzssMXQpO3k6PSZvdC96bCt0ZCx5e2Zp Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:43:14 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.86 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 966139115 10.0.2.86 (Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:58:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:58:35 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26431 > ...I've never been bitten by a honeybee ... I have. Lots of times. To quote BEE-L Item #4697 (13 May 1995 19:36) - "Real Beekeepers don't wear gloves" at http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9505&L=bee- l&P=R7313 , "You know -- out our way at least -- the bees tend to stand on your wrists and bite a bit before they get to really drilling. If you watch, they actually bite, not sting as if to say "Am I really going to have to *sting* this sucker. I really don't want to die. Maybe he'll take a hint." Then they sting weakly, and then, if you don't wise up and SMOKE (or leave) they *really* get to driving it home". allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation, performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping, splitting tricks, queen cells, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com Article 26432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: badgers Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Aug 2000 02:29:28 GMT References: <398913f7.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <20000812222928.18763.00000317@ng-mg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26432 Mark writes: >The African Badger is a very aggresive animal, I have seen it fight off 2 >adult female lions. So it is definatly not an animal to mess with. If it >wants to get to your hives there is almost nothing you can do, electric >fences do work some times, the only other option is a concrete hive. > >I have hear BUT not tried this solution. Badgers are very teritorial, and >will not venture into a marked area. Apparently if you are brave enough to >MARK your hives (as an animal would) the Badger will stay away. Due to our >bees nature I have not tried this method. > >Regards >Mark Hale >From not so dark Africa >Hosts Apimondia 2001 >http://www.apimondia2001.com/ > I noticed that you mentioned concrete hive. Could you please describe the design Thanks Al Article 26433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removing ground bees Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:30:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8n517l$bdt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n3cqh$953$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8n3eg3$a5a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8n3spb$j6t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.57 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 13 02:30:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.57 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26433 In article <8n3spb$j6t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bob C wrote: > > Thanks for the reply Herb. I really don't want to kill them and was > hoping I could get them to move elsewhere. Have you heard of the water > idea working? > > Bob Unfortunately no. I've heard of it working with a honeybee swarm so figured it would work with ground bees. I know I'd move if my home kept getting filled up with water. LOL Perhaps some other folks will come up with other ideas - like maybe garlic. Whatever you do should be done quickly before they get all settled in - if they are yellow jackets. If they are bumblebees they might not nest there permanently anyway. Seems like I heard that only the bumblebee queen lives through the winter and will nest somewhere else next spring. About the gasoline _ I wasn't sure whether you were concerned about the ground bees or contaminating the ground with pesticide. It is good that you don't want them killed. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp problem Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:57:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8n52rc$c8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n3uq3$22to$1@thoth.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.57 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 13 02:57:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.57 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26434 In article <8n3uq3$22to$1@thoth.cts.com>, "Dave" wrote: > I have quite a few of those wasps this year. I don't know what they are > called, but they look almost exactly like bees, brighter yellow and slimmer. > But, they eat bees. I live in southern California. They are the > carnivore type that are around when you picnic. I saw one yesterday take one > of my girls and rip her head, wings etc off and them fly away with the > goods. They seem to be all over my 3 acres, so it must be a big hive. I > think they are around this year because of the greater quantity of food, my > bees. > > Can anyone help me? I would like to find the nest. I have tried to follow > them, but with no luck. I don't think they have done any great damage to > the bee hive, yet. > > Thanks, > Dave > Dave, your description sounds like yellow jackets. I've seen them around our hives and watched the bees run them off, but never saw one kill a bee. As far as I know their main diet is caterpillars, and of course anything at a picnic. I've heard that you can trap them by setting a half-full soft drink bottle near the hive. I've never tried it because there were never enough to cause a problem. They nest in the ground, usually near the base of a tree. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: ei5he@eircom.net (Sean Corcoran) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Message-ID: <3995b6bf.2021256@news1.eircom.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:20:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.216.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 966144025 159.134.216.120 (Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:20:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:20:25 BST Organization: Eircom.Net http://www.eircom.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26435 On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 04:50:22 GMT, "stacker" wrote: >One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have >tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) >and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking >hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight >before I check every hive. Hi There, That also happened to me and "eventually" I discovered that the air hole at the bottom of the bellows had become clogged restricting the airflow. Cleaned that out and no problem since. As for fuel, I never use anything other that well dried grass from the lawnmower or maybe hay. It keeps going for my 12 hives. One other thing to add is to keep the "nose" of the smoker pointed in the direction that the wind is going creating a natural draught. 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If I did it wont happen again http://www.onlinefitnesstrainer.com Jennifer Pena jenniferpena24@hotmail.com rswfqfkzkomfobkrwnhozxckutb Article 26437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965886860.223127@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <20000811010615.14865.00000749@ng-fp1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <966069886.690438@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-29.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:18:28 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 966069906 203.96.152.26 (Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:45:06 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:45:06 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26437 Lavender oil is extracted by steam distillation. So need to have specialised equipment to do this. So no can do with any type of fingers. I've only taken tips of lavender to propagate so not sure if you can take one long stem and cut into many smaller cuttings. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000811010615.14865.00000749@ng-fp1.aol.com... > Thnx for the great information. How on earth do you extract oil from the > lavender? Any easy way for old fingers, like mine? Can you get more than one > cutting, also, from a single "branch" of lavender--i.e., cut a long stem into > several pieces and immerse in the sand/compost mix? > > Article 26438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Breeding for Varroa resistence Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:30:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8n67so$3au$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8lmjg8$lu2$2@news.wave.co.nz> <8lnish$t8i$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8lp54j$9p4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <01b2d130.2470a8a8@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.58 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 13 13:30:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.58 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26438 In article <01b2d130.2470a8a8@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com>, Allen Dick wrote: > > ...I've never been bitten by a honeybee ... > > I have. Lots of times. > > To quote BEE-L Item #4697 (13 May 1995 19:36) - "Real Beekeepers > don't wear gloves" at > http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9505&L=bee- > l&P=R7313 , > > "You know -- out our way at least -- the bees tend to stand on > your wrists and bite a bit before they get to really drilling. > If you watch, they actually bite, not sting > as if to say "Am I really going to have to *sting* this sucker. > I really don't want to die. Maybe he'll take a hint." Then > they sting weakly, and then, if you don't wise up and SMOKE (or > leave) they *really* get to driving it home". > > allen Very good description, Allen. Yes, I've had that experience including the weak sting. Some of them definitely give a weak warning sting as you say. Okay, so maybe I have been bitten and just didn't notice it. But remember I'm in the camp that says they do have the proper equipment to bite, especially to bite something as small as a mite. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removing ground bees Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Aug 2000 14:43:14 GMT References: <8n517l$bdt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000813104314.11685.00000191@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26439 > >the ground bees or contaminating the ground with pesticide. Worry about contaminating? Why not lit Road flair and stick it in the ground for a few second? The Surface will gas them. You can take the larvae to fishing with. Best bait for Crapping, Trout and Pan fish. Article 26440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Aug 2000 14:37:36 GMT References: <8n52rc$c8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Wasp problem Message-ID: <20000813103736.11685.00000188@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26440 >They nest in the ground, usually near the base of a tree. > Not quite, I just gas 4 Yellow Jacket nest last week, all were in the ground in a 30 degree angle open. Also I just happen seen a Black Hornet caught my bee in the air near the hive and landing on the leaves start to chew off her head and wings too. I just found Hornet nest about 40yd from the hive and were going to gas it, Skunk finally destroy it. Ya, they diserve it. Also he destroy two more Yellow Jacket nest ( found two larger hole in ground with nest tore all up) as so far hasn't coming around my hive yet, I guess he know better cause I carried my 9MM all the time. Tim Article 26441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Aug 2000 14:57:27 GMT References: <8n5007$ahe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: fume boards Message-ID: <20000813105727.11685.00000201@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26441 >The stuff works best on hot sunny days and then the less you need to squirt >on the fume boards. Yeah, This stuff work good, I glue a piece of cloth on the inner cover to use for Bee Gone. The best, I put the stuff in a Glass bottle with a spray pump ( chem. don't break down in a glass bottle) and pump it on the the inner cover and set the super up right and set the inner cover with Bee Gone beside it and the bees will drive out on the other side as the same time to sweep bees off with bee brush. Article 26442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.minn.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Tom Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <00189eb8.225a29a8@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com> Lines: 14 Bytes: 656 X-Originating-Host: 213.123.54.247 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <397b9357.48390642@news.usit.net> <1ae25248.2dfb9b1c@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com> <8mm5io$qfh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Wren-Trace: eG5LY2J7PHY9PWpjaGBjYnVuXml/YyBsbnBvaHM0dCFsKHw+M2AqMjEhPz8ufCku Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:07:20 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.61 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 966188136 10.0.2.61 (Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:35:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:35:36 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26442 interesting to read your comments and as a relative newcomer to the sport it's a relief to hear others having this sort of trouble. I have given up any hope of getting any more honey off this lot this year but keep looking for ideas to ensure that I don't end up with another poor uncomfortable season next year. At the moment reuniting two hives into one, squish the worse tempered boss and try to requeen early next year seems the best option - failing that perhaps try another hobby!! * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 26444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!xfe11.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Bob C Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: removing ground bees Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:35:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8n3cqh$953$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 12 11:35:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; CS 2000; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbobm57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26444 We went away on vacation and when we returned I found a nest of bees in our front yard. They have made about a quarter size hole in the dirt and are active. Is there any way to get them to abandon this nest and move elsewhere? I really don't want to use commercial pesticides on them. Bob Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removing ground bees Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:04:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8n3eg3$a5a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n3cqh$953$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.63 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 12 12:04:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.63 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26445 In article <8n3cqh$953$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bob C wrote: > We went away on vacation and when we returned I found a nest of bees in > our front yard. They have made about a quarter size hole in the dirt > and are active. Is there any way to get them to abandon this nest and > move elsewhere? I really don't want to use commercial pesticides on > them. > > Bob > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > If you don't mind killing them pour some gasoline on them. Do it before daylight when they are all home. Bumblebees and yellowjackets both nest in the ground and both are our friends. One pollinates and the other eats caterpillars, so I would hate to see them killed. But I don't know how to make them move. You could try running water in their hole for several days. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees recycle wax? Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:14:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8n3f2h$agk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n25i6$luu$1@hardcore.ivn.net> <8n2btb$js2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.63 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 12 12:14:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.63 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26446 Hi Spike and Pete, I put a piece of burr comb on the porch (landing board) of a hive last year to see what would happen. It was leaning against the face of the hive. The bees made tunnels through it and attached it to porch and face of the hive. Quite artistic bees!!! They turned it into an elaborate sculpture and covered the whole thing with propolis. Looked to me like they were dropping the pieces they chewed out for their tunnels off of the porch. Herb In article <8n2btb$js2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > > > "Spike Psarris" wrote: > > I squished the wax together and tossed it into each hive, > >figuring that they might be able to chew it up and draw out comb with > >it.Was this a wasted effort, or will they actually reuse it? > ******************************************************* > > Howdy Spike -- > > Bees do recycle wax of their own choosing. The "ladders" they build > on the bottom board are this type. Sometimes queen cells seem to be > made from old wax. I have never caught them using wax intentionally > left unattached in the hive. Let us know if they do use any of that you > tossed in. > > Pete > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:25:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8n3foa$at7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <397b9357.48390642@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.63 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 12 12:25:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.63 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26447 Thanks for that link, Teri. Sounds to me like we should be releasing millions of drones in the path of Africanized bees. Herb In article , "Teri Bachus" wrote: > for those in already africanized areas (or soon likely to be, such as the > s.e. usa), the following studies by the usda tucson bee lab should be of > interest: > > "When attempting to reduce defensive behavior in your colonies, queen > replacement may not be the > best strategy..." > http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/rf/pilot/index.html > > "Queen Development Time and the Africanization of European Honey Bees" > http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/rf/queen/gloria.html > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8n261r$m6o$1@hardcore.ivn.net> <20000812194627.16869.00000929@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: fume boards Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 02:30:00 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3997052c$0$18897@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.10 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 966198572 18897 63.105.232.10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26448 I harvested today, only used a couple of squirts of the stuff (honey robber, not bee go, and it's a very fine squirt at that). But there's a noticeable after-odor from the stack of supers - I know it's not just my nose, because my wife noticed it too. It's not too obnoxious, but I'm concerned - is the honey contaminated? Or is this normal? (Buzzylee - I was trying to reply to the group when I sent you the email. Sorry for the redundancy.) Thanks... Article 26450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0213.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp problem Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:21:33 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <8n52rc$c8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000813103736.11685.00000188@ng-fz1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0213.nts-online.net (216.167.131.213) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 966205291 8115203 216.167.131.213 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26450 > Not quite, I just gas 4 Yellow Jacket nest last week, all were in the ground >in a 30 degree angle open. >Also I just happen seen a Black Hornet caught my bee in the air near the hive >and landing on the leaves start to chew off her head and wings too. I just >found Hornet nest about 40yd from the hive and were going to gas it, Skunk >finally destroy it. Ya, they diserve it. Also he destroy two more Yellow Jacket >nest ( found two larger hole in ground with nest tore all up) as so far hasn't >coming around my hive yet, I guess he know better cause I carried my 9MM all >the time. > Tim God save the Earth from humans. C.K. Article 26451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39972C63.7A538234@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding a queen References: <20000811141829.12370.00000393@ng-fb1.aol.com> <3995B798.D6FD19A@cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:09:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 966208191 24.24.11.111 (Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:09:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:09:51 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26451 Sorry, misunderstood. Didn't realize he was talking about using an _excluder_ underneath the chambers, and then driving the workers down with fumes. But trying to force bees down off of brood, even with fumes, is still apt to be extremely difficult, and not very effective. Never tried it in this way, though. I personally would not want to risk stupefying the queen (or the rest of them) with the fumes. best regards, j JGinNY wrote: > The queen will surely run down with the all the > others, if not before... Article 26452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Robert Talk" From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Source for bees --- this late in the year? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 02:42:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 966220958 24.27.124.132 (Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:42:38 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:42:38 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26452 I just lost all of my bees. During my vacation my top bar hive got too hot and all my combs fell, killing the queeen and drowning the workers. Where can I get a 3 lb package of bees this late in the year? I live in Spring (near Houston), Texas. Article 26453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!quark.scn.rain.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Basic info - Help! Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:28:59 -0700 Organization: SCN Research of Tigard, Oregon, USA. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8n7p1o$gnq$1@quark.scn.rain.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnt-003.molalla.net X-Trace: quark.scn.rain.com 966223736 17146 205.238.45.3 (14 Aug 2000 03:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.scn.rain.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2000 03:28:56 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26453 My first contact, of any significance, with bees came recently when my two year old and my four year old where playing inside our loafing shed and got stung. The two year old had a total of 8 stings, 4 on the four year old. The thing is, I could not find any bees when it was all said and done. No hive, nothing. Later, upon more extensive investigation I discovered a hive in-between the hay bales. Quite large, about 6 inches wide, maybe twice that tall. The bales are on the ground, lower level of the barn. The hive was in the second layer from the floor, and about three bales in. My question is why there? These looked like regular honey bees, although they were more brown than I expected. What should I do now? I know bees are beneficial to my ranch, pollinating etc, but this hive makes my hay virtually useless. I need to stack more bales real soon in that area, and remove what is in there now. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Please reply by e-mail, I really don't read this ng! Mark McConachie Molalla Oregon 45 miles south of Portland flyboy@molalla.net Article 26454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ targetting feral hives Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:15:07 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8n5jh8$qej$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p48.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 966152552 27091 203.96.192.176 (13 Aug 2000 07:42:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 2000 07:42:32 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26454 Greetings Teri maybe i should start a refuge myself...? Some of the people here are so freaked out by this whole varroa thing. There are all sorts of hardline reactions being suggested. I think a big difference between them and me is that i'm not a commercial beekeeper. Because it is not a means of livelihood I'm not so panicked by it. and i have the luxury of being able to contemplate some of the alternatives. I'm a bit concerned that in the mad panic to eradicate the mite, some of the suggestions coming forward are a bigger threat to the honeybees then the actual mites. thanks for your suggestion carman Teri Bachus wrote in message news:sp7tf347n4t42@corp.supernews.com... > in response to Carman: > suggest you urge consideration of feral honey bee "refuges" in isolated > areas where commercial beekeeping industry may be less impacted so that > natural selection can be allowed to seek out "survivor" stocks undisturbed > by those who claim "Bees will no longer be able to survive without human > intervention." > > in response to John Edwards: > why not go for the cape bees instead (a.m.capensis)...no ferocity in nest > defense as well as more > genetic flexibility to deal with the mites, plus no need to requeen? > > Article 26455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The National Honey Show Programme of events Message-ID: <966150653@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:10:53 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 82 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 966154686 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26455 The National Honey Show Lecture Convention and Programme for the Millennium Show with International Classes. Only 94 day's before the show! 16th, 17th & 18th November 2000 Kensington Town Hall London, England. The show is sponsored by The Worshipful Company of Wax Chandlers PROGRAMME OF EVENTS SCHEDULE THURSDAY 16th NOVEMBER (admission for 2.00 pm Opening Ceremony DR DAVID BELLAMY OBE, PhD, FLS, FIBiol Botanist, Writer and Broadcaster SATURDAY 18th NOVEMBER 4.00 pm presentation of Cups and Trophies Mrs Jean Purcell NHS Patron and former Vice Chairman. Opening Ceremony 1.45 pm) Friday 17th November 9.30 am - 7.00 pm Saturday 18th November 9.30 am - 5.00 pm ADMISSION: Adults £6.00 Children 16 and under 50p Members free LECTURE CONVENTION and Programme THURDAY 16th NOVEMBER 1.45 Doors open 2.00 Opening Ceremony 3.00 "New Beekeeping in the Deep Long Hive" Robin Dartington 4.30 "Beekeeping in Trinidad & Tobago, Challenges and Opportunities" Gladstone Solomon 7.00 Show closes FRIDAY 17th NOVEMBER 9.30 Show opens 10.30 "Ramblings through Beekeeping" Michael Badger 11.45 "The Role of Apimiondia" Asger Jorgensen 3.00 "The Essence of Culture" Prof Robert Pickard 4.15 "Varroa Control using Fungi" Katie Shaw 5.30 'Trees and Bees" Geoffrey Hopkinson 7.0 Exhibition closes SATURDAY 18th NOVEMBER 9.30 Show opens 10.30 "Bees Houses" David Bates 11.45 "Development of Beekeeping in Africa" Asger Jorgensen 1.15 "Bee Research at Sheffield University" Dr Francis Ratnieks 2.30 National Honey Show Annual General Meeting followed by the Annual Meeting of the National Council 4.00 Presentation of trophies and Awards followed by the Draw. 5.00 Show closes 5.30 Collect Exhibits The Show gratefully acknowledges that The Worshipful Company of Wax Chandlers, the BBKA and numerous other donors who have assisted with the funding of this Lecture Convention. Please publish this information world wide, French & German versions of this programme available on the National Honey Show Web Site URL: http://www.honeyshow.co.uk Full Schedule and entry form also available online & see the reviews of the 1999 show. ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 26456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Basic info - Help! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Aug 2000 14:47:00 GMT References: <8n7p1o$gnq$1@quark.scn.rain.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000814104700.18769.00000618@ng-mg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26456 Describe the hive not the insect . And I wll get back to you Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:18:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: The weather arrrghhhh Message-ID: <20000814091855.18693.00000828@ng-mg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26457 Cold and gray in the northeast. It rained pretty much through the entire sumac bloom. Should be a bang up knotweed and goldenrod bloom if moisture in the ground is any indication. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Senator to VOTE GREEN. Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Aug 2000 22:53:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000813185332.01973.00003646@nso-cc.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26458 In article , Bob Smith (R - NH) writes: > >There must be some way outta here. > Please find it quickly, and no need to excuse yourself, spammer. Article 26459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Basic info - Help! Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:56:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8n98c6$668$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n7p1o$gnq$1@quark.scn.rain.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.93 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 14 16:56:42 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x51.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.93 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26459 > "Mark" wrote: >I discovered a hive in-between the hay bales. Quite large, about 6 >inches wide, maybe twice that tall. The bales are on the ground, lower >level of the barn. > Mark McConachie *************************************************** Howdy Mark -- The best answer to a problem like yours is for you to contact a local beekeeper. He/she can tell you immediately whether they are honey bees. If they are, They can be removed and put in a hive easily. This sounds like an unlikely place for honey bees, but you never know where they will nest in an emergency. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp problem Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Aug 2000 18:49:07 GMT References: <8n8sfk$s7l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000814144907.01724.00001074@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26460 > Perhaps, Tim, you don't have enough trees for them to nest near a >tree, where they usually like to nest. "Usually" doesn't mean "always" >but I wanted to give Dave a clue as to where to look on his 3 acres. Ok I see what you mean, I have near 600ac. of woods. > > But why gas them? Yellow jackets are beneficial creatures and eat a >lot more caterpillars than bees. Just before I learned that, I wiped >out a huge nest in our garden with gasoline because they were in the >wrong They were is wrong place, The nest was in our yard and boys getting stung while cutting grass. I let him gas it so he feel better. Which it does works. > > Article 26461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Aug 2000 20:33:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Apicure Class action suit Message-ID: <20000814163341.01512.00000012@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26461 I have talked to a number of beekeepers who are considering taking action against the Apicure company due to large losses after using the formic acid product. I myself have lost 12 hives to date after using the Apicure formic acid treatment. Apparently the product causes queen death in many cases. I would like to hear from others who had unusual losses after using Apicure. And any thoughts on this matter. thanks Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 26462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-181-170.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The weather arrrghhhh Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:33:32 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <20000814091855.18693.00000828@ng-mg1.aol.com> <8n98tq$6li$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b5.aa X-Server-Date: 14 Aug 2000 20:33:45 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26462 In article <8n98tq$6li$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > (BeeCrofter) wrote: > > Cold and gray in the northeast. It rained pretty much through the > > entire sumac bloom. Should be a bang up knotweed and goldenrod bloom > > if moisture in> the ground is any indication. > > > > Tom > ********************************************** > > Howdy Tom -- > > Be thankful, at least you may have a future this season. Here in the > SUNNY south we are in severe drought, Dry as hell here in Colorado also... and thoughout the West. I'm surprised to hear the Pacific NW is wet. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 26463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Tom Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <1f1200dc.b786b268@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com> Lines: 9 Bytes: 308 X-Originating-Host: 213.120.62.70 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <397b9357.48390642@news.usit.net> X-Wren-Trace: eBk8FBUMSwFKSh0UHxcUFQIZKR4IFFcbGQcYHwRDA1YbXwtJRBddRUVWS05ZDlo= Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:30:10 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.69 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 966290340 10.0.2.69 (Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:59:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:59:00 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26463 thanks for the interesting link, I've seen a couple of problems of my own making on this site!! And I thought I was getting better, oh well. Tom * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 26464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Errol Chevannes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner Bumble Bee Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:01:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.104.60.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 966290165 213.104.60.82 (Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:56:05 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:56:05 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26464 Hello all My dad's interested in breeding bumble bees. He lives in the South West, UK and wants to find some local clubs/associations/bumble bee keepers to help him get started. Is there anyone out there that can help? Please.... Thank You Faith Article 26465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8mc58h$7sa$0@208.249.8.75> <20000812203050.16869.00000935@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Lines: 44 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:30:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 966292215 12.72.203.88 (Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:30:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:30:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26465 By my estimation, if 1/100th of 1 percent of those claiming to be allergic to bee venom actually were, then bee stings would be the #1 killer in the US and we would be wasting a lot of money and energy on such insignificant things as cancer. When someone tells me they are allergic to bee stings my initial reaction is "Right, and I am the sole heir to Bill Gates fortune." Here is the real mystery. If all those people are allergic, why aren't they dead? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000812203050.16869.00000935@ng-fb1.aol.com... > I've never read any convincing facts in spite of having seen lots of varying > opinions, but allergists I've talked with say that actually only one out of > every 200 to one out of every 1000 people are truly (seriously) allergic to > bees, having a serious systemic, life-threating reaction. Of course, everyone > you talk with "out there" swears they are allergic, all remembering their first > sting, sort of like "where were you when JFK was killed" type of thing. I've > read, however, much different things about allergic reactions, like 20 out of > 100 people, etc. So, it's a mystery.... > > And, as I get stung more, the reactions are much less, as is my fear. And, I > still say "ouch". > > Buzzylee > > Article 26466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8n3cqh$953$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8n3eg3$a5a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: removing ground bees Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:20:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 966288008 12.72.42.154 (Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:20:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:20:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26466 Then to be extra sure, pull your car onto the front yard and drain the oil into the hole. If it is hot and you get thirsty, go to the store and feel good about paying $2 for a bottle of water, knowing that while you may have poured petrochemicals into the water supply, the bees are gone and some pretty good water comes from France. End of rant....... There are many, many, many ways to kill bees without pouring gasoline into the ground. I suggest you enjoy them while they are around. They will be gone by winter. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:8n3eg3$a5a$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > If you don't mind killing them pour some gasoline on them. Do it Article 26467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buzzing for Info Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Aug 2000 08:20:51 GMT References: <8ms6q0$299$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000814042051.02807.00001039@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26467 l) I've read several times that skeps initially were destroyed and everything removed--the hive most likely would be dead. This is in the early years. Then, eventually, then, with gains in knowledge, the monks became better at encouraging swarming and not removing or killing the entire hive so that the hive could continue. When exactly the more enlightened skep approach occured, I don't know--Eva Crane's masterpiece (World History of......) might have that. 3) In one of the us bee mags, there was an article on some fellow who is building skeps. And, there are numerous youth over in various European countries (various organizations trying to duplicate the lore and technology of how things were done hundreds and thousands of years ago and I've head they have done some bee work on various hives--mainly in Germany. Possibly, a search would lead you to them and more concrete information on the old ways and their effectiveness. Buzzylee Article 26468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp problem Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:33:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8n8sfk$s7l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n52rc$c8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000813103736.11685.00000188@ng-fz1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.83 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 14 13:33:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.83 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26468 In article <20000813103736.11685.00000188@ng-fz1.aol.com>, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: Herb said > >They nest in the ground, usually near the base of a tree. > > > Tim said > > Not quite, I just gas 4 Yellow Jacket nest last week, all were in the ground in a 30 degree angle open. Perhaps, Tim, you don't have enough trees for them to nest near a tree, where they usually like to nest. "Usually" doesn't mean "always" but I wanted to give Dave a clue as to where to look on his 3 acres. But why gas them? Yellow jackets are beneficial creatures and eat a lot more caterpillars than bees. Just before I learned that, I wiped out a huge nest in our garden with gasoline because they were in the wrong place and were a nuisance. When the caterpillars began eating everything in our garden I wished I had my yellow jacket friends back, but alas!! They had been destroyed by friendly fire. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hogg half-comb Lines: 17 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <58%l5.25368$gW5.1356930@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:19:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 966295169 12.72.203.174 (Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:19:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:19:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26469 Did a little evaluation this year and ended up with 40 beautiful half-comb cassettes. I was surprised with the speed in which they occupied and drew out the super above a QX. Any tips on cleaning up the outsides of the cassettes to remove the little wax deposits to make them more presentable for retail? The thought of a rotary shoe buffer enters the mind. I get $3.25 for a 1# jar and am thinking around $5 - $6 for the cassettes. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Article 26470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removing ground bees Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Aug 2000 23:44:56 GMT References: <8n3eg3$a5a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000814194456.04215.00000183@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26470 > If you don't mind killing them pour some gasoline on them BAD Idea! Besides the fact that it goes straight to your well (and there are some pretty strong carcinogens in gasoline), there are folks in high places, who can make you pay more than you'd ever believe for "environmental remediation." They are getting pretty good at tracking gasoline to its source too. Most likely these are yellow jackets, which are preditors of pest insects. If they can be left alone, they will be gone when cold weather arrives. If they are where human traffic occurs, put a cupful of dish detergent in a bucket of hot water after dark and pour it down the hole. If any survive it's because the solution didn't reach them. But it usually gets them quite well, without the environmental degredation. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 26471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:12:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <398F2340.BB259D9A@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <20000812200620.16869.00000933@ng-fb1.aol.com> <399841A9.7B624DA4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 966298839 nnrp-13:25027 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26471 In article <399841A9.7B624DA4@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, John Edwards writes >Could be, we really have very little idea. It could even be that they will adapt >to >the cold There was a piece of research that showed them well able to maintain a cluster at some temperature like or lower than -10C. Sorry I forget whose. -- James Kilty Article 26472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:19:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000814163341.01512.00000012@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 966298840 nnrp-13:25027 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26472 In article <20000814163341.01512.00000012@ng-fw1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan writes >I have talked to a number of beekeepers who are considering taking action >against the Apicure company due to large losses after using the formic acid >product. What % formic acid? More than 65% is well known to be cause queen death. If it is more, the manufacturers should know better. If not, there's something else going on. Was the temperature too high - so it evaporated too quickly? The Canadians have a lot of experience with formic acid - contact the Red River boys and girls in Alberta. -- James Kilty Article 26473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 57 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Aug 2000 01:47:50 GMT References: <20000814163341.01512.00000012@ng-fw1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Message-ID: <20000814214750.17529.00002329@ng-ct1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26473 >I have talked to a number of beekeepers who are considering taking action >against the Apicure company due to large losses after using the formic acid >product. > >I myself have lost 12 hives to date after using the Apicure formic acid >treatment. >Apparently the product causes queen death in many cases. > >I would like to hear from others who had unusual losses after using Apicure. >And any thoughts on this matter. > >thanks > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > > > Hmm.. lets see. yep thats exactly what cost us the most valuable chemical we have in our fight against the mites....Amitraz. Because of beekeeper misuse in killing their own queens with it we can no longer legally use it on bees. Yep lets blame the chemical companies and sue the heck out of em and push yet another viable chemical off the market. Anyone ever think about testing their new toy on a few hives at first. I mean hell have you ever read the back of a spray paint can... Spray on out of the way place to test color match. Do you paint half your house before you stop to see if the color matches? Are you sure you used it right? Or did you think that sticking it in the middle of the brood cluster would be more effective? Are you positive it wasn't something else? If you don't think it works...Quite using it. Accept responsibility for not testing it first, but don't ruin it for the rest of us. Hey lets go sue the Tobacco companies, even though I read the damn warning on the pack. Lets assume some personal responsibilty here. I guess I should sue the makers of apistan for the resistant mites we have here, because they should have made sure that a certain beekeeper didn't leave his strips in for three years and bragged how long they lasted, but can't understand why the new ones don't work. Take your losses and move on, but don't start pointing fingers. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Aug 2000 01:28:39 GMT References: <58%l5.25368$gW5.1356930@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Hogg half-comb Message-ID: <20000814212839.17529.00002319@ng-ct1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26474 >Any tips on cleaning up the outsides of the >cassettes to remove the little wax deposits to make them more presentable >for retail? The thought of a rotary shoe buffer enters the mind. I get $3.25 >for a 1# jar and am thinking around $5 - $6 for the cassettes. Hello George, I usually get $5 a cassette. Seems to be a marketable price. The only advice I can offer is either use hot water and alot of elbow grease either with your fingernail or hive tool or you can try with rubbing alcohol and a lot of grease. If you find a better way I be happy to here about it. Happy Beekeeping Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Scott Franklin" From: "Scott Franklin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Extractor Purchase Advice Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:57:00 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.119.15.171 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 966311566 216.119.15.171 (Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:52:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:52:46 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26475 I have a hive of Bees. This is their first year of producing and last weekend I rented an extractor from a local beekeeping place. I've decided that I can afford an extractor but I would like to get a better quality extractor than the one I rented. I've seen different types out there but I'm uncertain as to which will meet my needs as well as be an effective product. I will list my needs and my preferences, If anyone knows of an extractor that will meet all or most of my needs and preference please leave a post with cost, where I can by it and what requirements it fulfills. What I need / prefer is: 1. at least a 2 - 3 frame extractor that can hold 30 - 50 lbs of honey. 2. Hand Powered or motorized (doesn't matter too much but motorized might be better) 3. I have heard about extractors that do not need to have the frames removed and flipped, this sounds like a good option. 4. I have seen extractors that have clear plastic lids instead of metal. I like this option an would prefer plastic to metal on the lid. 5. I found that the extractor I rented had a 1 - 2" lip on the inside for the drainage spout so I needed to tilt the extractor to remove additional honey. I would greatly like an extractor that has no lip on the inside so I do not need to tilt the extractor to remove the honey from the container. 6. As light weight as possible and easily washable. 7. A secure and easy to open an close drainage spout. On the extractor I rented it did not seal fully and I needed to twist it open while holding a jar underneath to catch dripping honey as I was working to open the spout. 8. Price range preferred $200 - $400. If possible. But please list all prices of more expensive extractors that meet more of the above requirements. I may forgo price as a need compared to fulfilling the above requirements. Thanks for your advice and help Article 26476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ne.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "party2go" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 03:35:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.16.153.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ne.home.com 966310531 24.16.153.225 (Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:35:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:35:31 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26476 This is my second year of keeping bees. I have five colonies and I am planning to expand next year. About two weeks ago I was stung three times by my bees while removing honey supers from the hives. I had on my white heavy bee suit. I was stung twice through the air holes in the wrists of my gloves. Nothing new I've been stung there plenty of times before. But my vail some how got against the back of my neck and needless to say I was stung there too. I'm not sure if I got the stinger out immediately or not, but my guess is that I didn't. That's a hard place to get to with leather gloves on. After being stung in the back of the neck I got tingly and itchy all over, I could feel my lips, hands, and feet swelling. I was almost done with everything so I finished my work with the bees. When I took off my suit I could see I had hives all over my body and my head it was red as a tomato, and my face was swollen. I was about 30 minutes from home. When I got home, I got a glass of water and found it difficult to swallow. My wife insisted that I go to the hospital. She's the boss you know. I went to the hospital and they gave me a shot of Benadryl and a shot of Adrenaline. The hives and swelling immediately started to go away. However the treatment was not very fun. After about a hour I left the hospital. When I got home the hives started to come back, the hospital said to take the oral over the counter Benadryl. I did and the hives eventually went away. I did not feel very good for the next couple of days. But I'm not sure if that is because of the bees stings or the treatment. The doctor at the hospital told me the next time I got stung that the reaction would probably be more severe. I think the general population tends to over react when it come to bees, especially bee stings, so I'm not sure if he was correct in telling me this. Just two months prior I was stung twice and had no problems what so ever. Just a little swelling and itching at the site of the sting, nothing unusual. The doctor gave me a prescription for an Epi-pen. I refuse to get rid of my bees even though that is the suggestion everyone gives me. I figure if everyone thinks I should get rid of the bees, then I had better keep them. Plus I love this hobby! Sorry to be so wordy, but I wanted to give all the info so I can get good responses. Is there any other beekeepers out there that have had the same problem? If so what precautions do you take to keep from being stung? Is the doctor correct in saying that the next time I get stung the reaction will be worse? Has anyone used the Epi-pen and does it work? Should I talk to a allergist? Would an Allergist have good info on bee stings,or would another type of doctor be more appropriate? Thanks in advance for you time. Dan the beekeep man dwilliams157@home.com Article 26477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Download of hivenote software suspended Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:46:59 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8nb6uh$dvs$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip91.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 966336273 14332 195.249.242.91 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26477 Until I am sure of bugfree software I have suspended download of the beidata and the bidata for handhelds. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <399926D8.B5E48B41@zzclinic.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:17:44 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit References: <20000814163341.01512.00000012@ng-fw1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-lras1-207-228-193-75.clinic.net X-Trace: 15 Aug 2000 06:15:19 -0400, dialin-lras1-207-228-193-75.clinic.net Lines: 28 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!dialin-lras1-207-228-193-75.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26478 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > I have talked to a number of beekeepers who are considering taking action > against the Apicure company due to large losses after using the formic acid > product. > > I myself have lost 12 hives to date after using the Apicure formic acid > treatment. > Apparently the product causes queen death in many cases. > > I would like to hear from others who had unusual losses after using Apicure. > And any thoughts on this matter. > > thanks > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC This sounds a lot like the Amitraz suit that took it off the market. I still believe it was not the chemical but the beekeepers that caused the problem. But the company took it off the market in the US since it was not worth the problems. Still is around elsewhere in the world. when you check all the weapons that are legally used by Beekeepers elsewhere to combat Varroa compared to what we have, there is something definitely wrong with the way we do business in the US. One of those things is to sue at the drop of a hat. Bill T -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 26479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3999135D.BF85D78F@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:54:38 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit References: <20000814163341.01512.00000012@ng-fw1.aol.com> <20000814214750.17529.00002329@ng-ct1.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn31.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 966346999 22528 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26479 you tell 'em Robert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Robert Williamson wrote: > >I have talked to a number of beekeepers who are considering taking action > >against the Apicure company due to large losses after using the formic acid > >product. > > > >I myself have lost 12 hives to date after using the Apicure formic acid > >treatment. > >Apparently the product causes queen death in many cases. > > > >I would like to hear from others who had unusual losses after using Apicure. > >And any thoughts on this matter. > > > >thanks > > > > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm.. lets see. yep thats exactly what cost us the most valuable chemical we > have in our fight against the mites....Amitraz. Because of beekeeper misuse in > killing their own queens with it we can no longer legally use it on bees. > > Yep lets blame the chemical companies and sue the heck out of em and push yet > another viable chemical off the market. > > Anyone ever think about testing their new toy on a few hives at first. I mean > hell have you ever read the back of a spray paint can... Spray on out of the > way place to test color match. Do you paint half your house before you stop to > see if the color matches? > > Are you sure you used it right? Or did you think that sticking it in the middle > of the brood cluster would be more effective? Are you positive it wasn't > something else? > > If you don't think it works...Quite using it. Accept responsibility for not > testing it first, but don't ruin it for the rest of us. > > Hey lets go sue the Tobacco companies, even though I read the damn warning on > the pack. Lets assume some personal responsibilty here. > > I guess I should sue the makers of apistan for the resistant mites we have > here, because they should have made sure that a certain beekeeper didn't leave > his strips in for three years and bragged how long they lasted, but can't > understand why the new ones don't work. > > Take your losses and move on, but don't start pointing fingers. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The weather arrrghhhh Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:06:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8n98tq$6li$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000814091855.18693.00000828@ng-mg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.93 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 14 17:06:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.93 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26480 > (BeeCrofter) wrote: > Cold and gray in the northeast. It rained pretty much through the > entire sumac bloom. Should be a bang up knotweed and goldenrod bloom > if moisture in> the ground is any indication. > > Tom ********************************************** Howdy Tom -- Be thankful, at least you may have a future this season. Here in the SUNNY south we are in severe drought, with nothing but a little pollen coming in. Not likely to rain enough to produce nectar for the rest of the season. Even water is a problem. The usual watering places for the bees are drying up. I am trying a little experiment. I put entrance feeders on a few hives and put a quart of water on each. In a week about half the water was gone. I don't think that much could have evaporated. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!newshost.Dartmouth.EDU!NewsWatcher!user From: rhaver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:44:22 -0400 Organization: Library Service, VA Medical Center, White River Junction, VT Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.189.40.121 X-Trace: merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU 966278503 16515 130.189.40.121 (14 Aug 2000 18:41:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@Dartmouth.EDU NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2000 18:41:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26481 I suffered as you did for several years until I FOUND THE SECRET! The fuel to use is extremely punky, rotten wood. If you find a tree thats been down 5 to 10 to 15 years and its so decomposed that you can rip the punky stuff off by head, you've found your fuel. (I guess it helps to live in a rural area for this). If its wet just put it out of the weather til it dries. When its dry it should practically fall apart when you pick it up. If you can't crush it by hand its not rotten enough. I find I can easily light this with a wooden match (out of the wind) and it will smoke until its gone. WHen lighting try to get an area of it burning; not just a little tip of it. That way you'll have good smoke right out of the box. I too used burlap, leaves, wood shavings and none of them were any where near satisfactory. In article , "stacker" wrote: > Hello all...I started keeping bees a year ago and am learning as I go. > This newsgroup has been a wealth of knowledge for me...thx to all for > posting. > One thing has been a continual annoyance to me is my smoker......I have > tried a number of different materials for fuel (burlap, cotton rags, grass) > and havent had much success in keeping it burning while I am checking > hives......I have 10 hives and find that tjhe smoker has to be relight > before I check every hive...I would appreciate any tips you can offer > regarding different fuels and techniques to keep the smoker going for an > extended duration...Much thx for help on this. Article 26482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bad tempered bees Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:59:54 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 51 Message-ID: <399841A9.7B624DA4@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <398F2340.BB259D9A@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <20000812200620.16869.00000933@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26482 LKLarson1 wrote: > what is your opinion of the rate of movement of the African bees? On their own, about an average of one mile per day (averaged over a year). By beetruck, 400-600 miles per day. > I'm in the > Willamette Valley part of Oregon and I hear that the African bees will move > right up from Ca. through the warm valleys clear up to B.C., until the cooler > areas stop them. Could be, we really have very little idea. It could even be that they will adapt to the cold by making better nest and honey storage choices, and keep their rosy temperament. > And, most of what I have read says it will take many, many > years. Yet, my friends in SanDiego say "hogwash" (not their exact word)--that > they are moving lots faster than you'd think and will be up within five years > or even sooner. I'd probably have to side with your friends - as the legendary Chip Taylor used to say, "When the AHB is detected, the actual front is 150 miles on ahead." Or your politicians could choose to hide the detection (or not to detect at all), for tourist industry support. > > Guess we could use a new design for our bee outfits w/some new technology, no? YES YES YES YES YES. Many people continue to believe (a) The AHB does not exist; (b) It can't be very serious; (c) The beekeepers can handle any problem; (d) The gov't is lying to us to further their own funding schemes; (e) see (a). I don't even see much interest in testing or producing new sizes of queen excluders, and that is a very simple improvment. ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 38 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Aug 2000 13:32:55 GMT References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Message-ID: <20000815093255.17529.00002493@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26483 >Is the doctor correct in saying that the next time I get stung the reaction >will be worse? > as a former medic and a beekeeper i think i can answer a few for ya. the next time could be very much worse. You may have condemmed your self by using too much protection. by not being stung very often but being in contact with bee dander and such you may have made yourself more susceptable to venom. >Has anyone used the Epi-pen and does it work? the epi pen is a self injector of adrenaline or the med term epinepherine. It will save your life at least till you get to the hospital. used in combination with a couple of benadryl liquid caps cut and squeezed out under your tongue you should make it to the hospital ok. do be sure however to store it in a cool dark place as heat and light will render it useless ( see the insert in the box ) >Should I talk to a allergist? Would an Allergist have good info on bee >stings,or would another type of doctor be more appropriate? > If you are determined to keep bees, and since you are obviously developing or have already developed a strong allergy then an allergist may be the right choice. Do understand this however : !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A TRUE ANAPHLYTIC REACTION IS DEADLY SERIOUS AND COULD COST YOU YOUR LIFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You would not be the first beekeeper who had to give up his hobby. The life of a husband and father far outweighs the hobby. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 26484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <399918D5.270F95EC@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:17:58 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sting story Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn24.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 966348435 22527 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26484 You say you like sting stories, well let me tell you one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lucky enough to have been stung enough to be resistant, I was checking my hives on a very hot day so I stripped down to my boxers and put on my suit (full suit) and no shirt, shoes and socks, but forgot to zip the ankle zips. About half way through, ( I swear I did not feel it coming ) I felt a sharp pain at the tip of my johnson, yep I dropped what I was doing ran to the barn stripped and removed the still pumping stinger. As I said earlier I have been stung enough to where only the initial sting hurts, no swelling and just an itch for a day. Well there it is, I can really say don't let this happen to you. Article 26485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "No1" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-related science project Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:49:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.218.217.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 966354578 207.218.217.221 (Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:49:38 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:49:38 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26485 Does anyone have any ideas for a science fair project (hypothesis) that relates to beekeeping. In our backyard, we have a 3 frame observation hive and a top bar hive with observation window (both made at home) that should be populated with Starline bees this week. We are wondering how we could use one or both of these hives as science projects. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Article 26486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-related science project Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:36:27 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3999718B.A4143884@uidaho.edu.no.spam> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 966357382 14471 129.101.81.41 (15 Aug 2000 16:36:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 2000 16:36:22 GMT To: No1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26486 What a great idea! Depending on the age of the (children) people doing the project... 1) treating for mites and not treating for mites? Do they avoid the strips? 2) Direction and location, etc of the hives for honey flow. 3) different foundations (plastic, none, wax, etc) 4) different hive colors 5) Amount of direct sun on the hive entrance VS activity/brood production 6) Different smoke sources (tobacco, cotton, pine needles, paper, etc) 7) Feeding the hive with sugar water, honey water, etc 8) How well the bees adjust to moving the hive. ie, move the physical hive location around the yard on a daily or bi-daily, etc basis. This sounds fun. I trying to con my wife into letting me put an observation hive in the kitchen window... still working on it. Cheers! Matthew Moscow ID No1 wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas for a science fair project (hypothesis) that > relates to beekeeping. In our backyard, we have a 3 frame observation hive > and a top bar hive with observation window (both made at home) that should > be populated with Starline bees this week. We are wondering how we could use > one or both of these hives as science projects. Any ideas would be greatly > appreciated. Article 26487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 2000 16:38:28 GMT References: <399926D8.B5E48B41@zzclinic.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000815123828.15730.00000007@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26487 Big Johnson Tell us exactly how you used the fomic packets. Entertain the thought that they do work for a moment and perhaps you made some mistake. Give us the benefit of your experience so that we don't do the same thing. Drugs Chemicals and Bees are all tricky things to begin with. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The weather arrrghhhh Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 2000 16:41:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000815124149.15730.00000008@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26488 We had drought last year and the hives went into winter with smaller clusters. Winter weather was all over the place with 60 deg one day 5 deg the next. My largest losses so far . This year I notice the tree companies removing the dead trees that could not take the stress. I think we may have built one too many strip malls and fooled with the weather. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Check+Mite strips and contaminated honey :-( Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:45:59 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 22 Message-ID: <399973C7.5033A379@uidaho.edu.no.spam> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 966357954 14555 129.101.81.41 (15 Aug 2000 16:45:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 2000 16:45:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26489 A few months ago I purchased a few nucs from a local beekeeper. He manages about 1000 hives and has been in the business for 20+ years. When i got the nucs, i asked him about mite strips, etc. He said because it is a small hive and weak that i should put the check mite strips in right away. So i went home, ordered the strips, read the directions and put them in. This past weekend was 43 days in the hives, so i removed them. Well, i have one medium super full of honey on two hives. Great, now i have about 100lbs of honey that i cannot use! Damn damn damn damn. I didn't expect my ladies to be that strong and prolific this season so i saw no reason to not put the strips in when i did. Now what do i do with this honey? Can i extract it and feed it to my ladies in the spring in place of the sugar water to stimulate brood production, etc. I know i need to water it down, but that is no big deal. The idea is that i could feed them this contaminated honey solution with out the honey supers on in place of the mite strips, as the mite strip chemical is present in the honey (or put the strips in too). Thanks Matthew Article 26490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Extractor Purchase Advice Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 2000 16:49:20 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000815124920.15730.00000010@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26490 The Compact Deluxe that Brushy Mtn sells is not a bad choice. But after 6000lbs of honey I had to shim the bearings because the shaft had worn down about 3/16 of an inch and the gears were not fully meshed. So with one or two hives it ought to last you a lifetime. Catalog#793 $269.00 With strainer and 100lb tank Convince your wife or girlfriend that turning the crank will firm up flabby upper arms snd you are off and running. For uncapping the forks work good enough. I have an 8 frame motorized one now that I rebuilt bearings and friction drives but I am not lettting go of mycompact one. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000815124920.15730.00000010@ng-cf1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Need Extractor Purchase Advice Lines: 18 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:06:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 966366392 12.72.42.123 (Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:06:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:06:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26491 Yeah, if I suggested to my wife that she had flabby arms I'd be "off and running". -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000815124920.15730.00000010@ng-cf1.aol.com... > Convince your wife or girlfriend that turning the crank will firm up flabby > upper arms snd you are off and running. Article 26492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Concrete Hives Date: 15 Aug 2000 19:07:21 GMT Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8nc4d9$bt8$0@63.68.70.159> References: <398913f7.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <20000812222928.18763.00000317@ng-mg1.aol.com> <3998e9cf$0$227@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.70.159 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26492 On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:56:54 +0200, wrote: > >"> I noticed that you mentioned concrete hive. Could you please describe the >> design >> Thanks >> Al >> > >Hi Al ! > >In South Africa , some people are making these hives in an attempt to >minimize the effects of vandalism as well as >to protect them in wet conditions (so I have been told). > >I like this idea to some extent, but I am wondering if the bees would be >happy in a concrete instead of a wooden hive. Bees might have a difficult >time in controlling hive temperature.The other bad thing about this hive is >that: It is not a good migration hive. Imagine loading 50 concrete hives on >your truck ! > >If interested, please Email me and I shall forward you or anyone else, some >pictures of this hive. > >Regards > >Glen > >South Africa Perhaps they could be made from a styrofoam concrete composite. I've seen building blocks made from styrofoam and concrete that are lighter and don't need additional insulation. Still would be heavier than wood (I imagine), but might be bearable. -Tim Article 26493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees that swarm Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:48:17 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 36 Message-ID: <39999070.469324E7@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <39997574.34C4D854@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26493 Seems like this would not be impossible to test by using artificial insemination, loading the queen with sperm from only two (one dark, one cordovan) drones (a poor mating, but enough), letting her lay eggs in a small colony until they swarmed, and taking a census of the bees left behind. Cordovans never develop the darkest shade of melanin, as I remember. - John Paul Petty wrote: > I don't know how they decide who stays and who goes, but I remember > reading about a study on the genetics of swarms. It said that the > division of the hive was mostly made according to the drone heredity. > Paul > > >I'm curious, having just had my observation hive swarm (purposedly, > having let > >it get crowded over the summer), how do the bees determine which bees > leave > >with a swarm (& which bees stay), ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Check+Mite strips and contaminated honey :-( Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:55:20 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <399973C7.5033A379@uidaho.edu.no.spam> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-198.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 966369352 39695 207.229.151.198 (15 Aug 2000 19:55:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 2000 19:55:52 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26494 > From: Matthew Pollard > hives. Great, now i have about 100lbs of honey that i cannot use! Damn > damn damn damn. I didn't expect my ladies to be that strong and prolific > this season so i saw no reason to not put the strips in when i did. > > Now what do i do with this honey? Matthew - NO PROBLEM, eat the honey yourself! The EPA just saved the day for you and others by establishing tolerances for coumaphos in honey and beeswax. Now it's "okay" for there to be coumaphos in honey. A little bit won't hurt anyone. Wow, what timing for your sake. http://www.beesource.com/news/article/coumaphoslevel.htm Regards, Barry Article 26495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-180-245.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting story Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:46:50 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <399918D5.270F95EC@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b4.f5 X-Server-Date: 15 Aug 2000 21:47:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26495 In article <399918D5.270F95EC@crosslink.net>, gmt@crosslink.net wrote: > I felt a sharp pain at the tip of my johnson, yep I dropped what I was > doing ran to the barn stripped and removed the still pumping stinger. KEVIN JOHNSON! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR YERSELF??? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 26496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-out.uswest.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: bees that swarm X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3999910F.BA5DE352@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <20000811215835.27199.00000568@ng-fh1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:50:55 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26496 I recall reading that it is the older bees in the colony that follow the queen. LKLarson1 wrote: > I'm curious, having just had my observation hive swarm (purposedly, having let > it get crowded over the summer), how do the bees determine which bees leave > with a swarm (& which bees stay), let alone, how many of the little guys will > leave/stay? In this case, not enough left and I'll think I'll be able to get > them tomorrow, hive them, then combine them later with another weak hive that I > need to feed anyway. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 26497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3999ADC2.755B6AEF@lightspeed.net> From: Sharon Pollack Reply-To: playadeo@lightspeed.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removing ground bees References: <8n3cqh$953$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:47:53 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-1MkBj6/rKcXxIQDzMJt8jqnABo8hF8tO/g3w6q0Go80KVCTVrGi76UiT2+QhJfZPQbGdU+ZG5Mm+ajh!3YY3h4Tb8w4TZreuxTMXDOGAFYzAeNu0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:53:22 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26497 You might try spraying them with a mixture of soap and water. Bob C wrote: > We went away on vacation and when we returned I found a nest of bees in > our front yard. They have made about a quarter size hole in the dirt > and are active. Is there any way to get them to abandon this nest and > move elsewhere? I really don't want to use commercial pesticides on > them. > > Bob > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fumidil-b Message-ID: <3999bae1.343422059@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:53:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 966376491 216.80.168.195 (Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:54:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:54:51 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26498 I have never used this product has everyone been using it ? I think that's alot extra expense to mix up all that sugar water. Is there any reason in using it If my hives seem strong. Article 26499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tm-po@webtv.net (veris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding a queen Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:49:26 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 34 Message-ID: <28327-3999C8F6-38@storefull-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8n1mki$4rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-6966-1991 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmDPXFAoxLc94pQWnpFlVOHXDdh0CFBZAYg20V+hLcgtUiBpOP17LqqjN Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.sgi.com!news.spies.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26499 --WebTV-Mail-6966-1991 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit could someone tell me why i have low honey production?and why i have lost three complete hives in my area.i am not new at beekeeping.lived in the north and did not have this problem in illinois.but everytime i put in a new swarm they are gone in about two years.not from mites just plain gone!they leave without saying goodby.and the couple of seasons that they do stay they make very little honey. not even enough to winter over on.i've tried with both caucasion and italian breeds.and have the same results.i live in northeastern ark. --WebTV-Mail-6966-1991 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-6966-1991-- Article 26500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smokers......what is the secret. Message-ID: <966291617@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:35:50 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 9d34bd62 REPLY: 240:44/0 5171f273 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(271) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 966317465 173 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26500 It usually takes about one second of flame from a cigarette lighter to ignite my smoker fuel. Only rarely does it go out. The fuel I use is old hessian (jute) potato sacks that are too old rotten and mouse holed to hold potatoes any more. I cut them into rectangles to fit the smoker and tie them with a loose thread. The secret of making them easy to light is to keep the charred material from the last time to use as tinder. Little more than a spark will cause a glow. You then blow on it for a few seconds. When the glow has spread to the size of a large coin, put it in the smoker and work the bellows vigorously until smoke emits from the nozzle. Thats all. To keep it going leave it upright. If it is burning too fast lay the smoker on its side. Add more fuel before the first lot has been consumed. Extinguish by putting a cork or spile in each orifice. I have about doubled my colonies this year but have only lit my smoker maybe a dozen times in all. Why? Because I have discovered liquid smoke. Usually a very light misting from a garden sprayer and a dribble wiped over the hands is all that is required to go through a colony. It means that for the first time in years my car and clothes don't stink of smoke. The only drawback with liquid smoke is that you can't use it to herd bees as you can with smoke. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 26501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <398913f7.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <20000812222928.18763.00000317@ng-mg1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Concrete Hives Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:56:54 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3998e9cf$0$227@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.96.1.66 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 966322639 227 192.96.1.66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26501 "> I noticed that you mentioned concrete hive. Could you please describe the > design > Thanks > Al > Hi Al ! In South Africa , some people are making these hives in an attempt to minimize the effects of vandalism as well as to protect them in wet conditions (so I have been told). I like this idea to some extent, but I am wondering if the bees would be happy in a concrete instead of a wooden hive. Bees might have a difficult time in controlling hive temperature.The other bad thing about this hive is that: It is not a good migration hive. Imagine loading 50 concrete hives on your truck ! If interested, please Email me and I shall forward you or anyone else, some pictures of this hive. Regards Glen South Africa Article 26502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3999C84E.45A17F36@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fumidil-b References: <3999bae1.343422059@news.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:39:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 966379175 24.24.11.206 (Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:39:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:39:35 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26502 It's expensive stuff, and NO, you don't need to treat established, strong colonies with it. You CAN, but it isn't something you necessarily HAVE to do, if you don't want to spend the dough. It controls Nosema, a protozoan-borne disease, which can do a lot of damage to WEAK colonies, especially those under _stress_. In real life, this mainly means _package bees_, which are heavily stressed due to confinement and transit. It is very advisable to feed new, package-bee colonies. Research has shown that Nosema infestations are extremely high in such colonies. Also in very weak springtime (overwintered) colonies. Strong, healthy colonies resist the problem, as they are not under such stress, and so there is little to be gained by treating them. Save your $$. Nosema is present to some degree in all colonies, especially those coming out of winter, but any strong enough to be worth their salt soon overcome even rather heavy infestations. Any overwintering colonies that become so Nosema-ridden that they dwindle and die out, were too weak and by nature overly susceptible, and so not worth having in your apiaries in the first place. Let nature weed them out. If on the other hand you are establishing new colonies in springtime, from weak nuclei or ESP. package-bees, the Fumidil is cheap insurance. You _know_ there is probably Nosema stress in those bees, and it is worth a lot to give them a hand with that, until they get established and build into stronger colonies. It is a good investment, then, and not a big deal, labor wise, as you need to feed them anyway. hope this is helpful check out some of the textbooks on this most of the key research was done by Prof. C.L Farrar, during the 40s/50s in Minnesota (...or was it Wisc.?). His research focused on Nosema and its control was quite reavealing. His recommendations were pretty much what I have stated above. Check out the books and you'll get a more complete picture of this stress-related adult bee malady. Maybe others could offer comments/corrections or clarification on this topic... seeya, Joel nr. Ithaca, NY "gfdavis"@usit.net\"\" wrote: > I have never used this product has everyone been using it ? I > think that's alot extra expense to mix up all that sugar water. Is > there any reason in using it If my hives seem strong. Article 26503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Aug 2000 01:27:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Need Extractor Purchase Advice Message-ID: <20000815212749.02871.00000063@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26503 > Price range preferred $200 - $400. If possible. But please list all >prices of more expensive extractors Golly Might! Too expensive. Ya! I made my out of Com. Heavy Plastic Mob bucket from Lowes and Install 1/2 gate value as front end to the bottom and faster two Walnut board inside mob press. Also use large bowle shape screen to trap all the cabs, crush combs. Boy, I'm telling you it works. I extractors honey all by myself. All done and clean, Toss all crush combs in other bucket and feed back to bees. When you finish your homemade extractor, all you gotten do is wash off with Garden hose outside. Fact, its already water proof. Nothing to worry about rust. :-) Here my .02 cent. Tim Article 26504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:09:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8nd0lg$ef1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399926D8.B5E48B41@zzclinic.net> <20000815123828.15730.00000007@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.124 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 16 03:09:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.124 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26504 Last I heard noone was going to get the product as a result of packaging problems. Seems they were eating their way out of the plastic during shipping. I canceled my order due the unknown delay this was causing. By the way the acid (I've been told) eats the nails and wires out of your boxes/frames. I'll work with coumaphos and apistan juggling. These were predicted for very high tracheal mite kill but only about 75% varroa. 25%of a big number is still a pretty big number in mites the way I look at it. What's a suit going to accomplish but to rid the bee world of it anyway? Mike In article <20000815123828.15730.00000007@ng-cf1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: > Big Johnson > > Tell us exactly how you used the fomic packets. > Entertain the thought that they do work for a moment and perhaps you made some > mistake. > Give us the benefit of your experience so that we don't do the same thing. > Drugs Chemicals and Bees are all tricky things to begin with. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!telenews.teleline.es!not-for-mail From: nhhtog@soundom.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WHOA! Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:21:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.4.100.105 X-Complaints-To: usenet@teleline.es X-Trace: telenews.teleline.es 966396080 4.4.100.105 (Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:21:20 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:21:20 MET DST Organization: Clientes_Teleline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26505 I just found the coolest site on the web that I want you to check out. It's called Soundom.net and it's a company that pays us do what we are already doing: listening to music! Thats right, Soundom PAYS US for listening to our MP3s, CDs or Internet Radio. 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So check it out at http://www.Soundom.net Article 26506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-related science project Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:24:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <8nd1h1$fea$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3999718B.A4143884@uidaho.edu.no.spam> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.124 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 16 03:24:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.124 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26506 I don't know what value this might have but you decide. I read an article that had example picture. take a frame of honey or remove the top frame if it's full of honey. then poke holes in the cappings so that it spells your name or the word honey or something neat. put it back and the bees should empty those cells. then feed them sugar water that has food coloring like blue or red. they'll immediately fill them back in with the colored stuff and bingo a readable honey comb. OK simple I know. Entertaining anyway. Mike In article <3999718B.A4143884@uidaho.edu.no.spam>, Matthew Pollard wrote: > What a great idea! Depending on the age of the (children) people doing the > project... > 1) treating for mites and not treating for mites? Do they avoid the strips? > 2) Direction and location, etc of the hives for honey flow. > 3) different foundations (plastic, none, wax, etc) > 4) different hive colors > 5) Amount of direct sun on the hive entrance VS activity/brood production > 6) Different smoke sources (tobacco, cotton, pine needles, paper, etc) > 7) Feeding the hive with sugar water, honey water, etc > 8) How well the bees adjust to moving the hive. ie, move the physical hive > location around the yard on a daily or bi-daily, etc basis. > > This sounds fun. I trying to con my wife into letting me put an observation hive > in the kitchen window... still working on it. > Cheers! > Matthew > Moscow ID > > No1 wrote: > > > Does anyone have any ideas for a science fair project (hypothesis) that > > relates to beekeeping. In our backyard, we have a 3 frame observation hive > > and a top bar hive with observation window (both made at home) that should > > be populated with Starline bees this week. We are wondering how we could use > > one or both of these hives as science projects. Any ideas would be greatly > > appreciated. > > -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-related science project Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 2000 03:37:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000815233754.04259.00000128@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26507 What I've heard is interesting is to put out some sugar water or honey, then lightly paint the bees thorax(es) as they come visit (they have not bothered me one bit in doing this). Then, when hopefully some return to your observation hive, you'll be able to spot their "dance" telling the others where the treasure is...... I've done tricks (blocking hole, moving the hive, changing the color of the entrance tube, putting two tubes out (different colors) and a few other sort of things. Am sure the experienced beefolk out there will have lots of other ideas. Buzzylee Article 26508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!xfer10.netnews.com!xfe11.netnews.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Check+Mite strips and contaminated honey :-( Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:31:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <8nd1va$fr2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399973C7.5033A379@uidaho.edu.no.spam> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.124 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 16 03:31:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.124 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26508 With all due respect to the web's best bee equipment building site, I think the limits, some 10 or 20 parts per billion you are referring to would only be in a hive that had the chemical removed before the honey was stored. coumaphos soaks into the wax in the lower chambers and during the course of treatment. It is during the honey flow that some wax gets migrated to the honey supers that produces the allowable limits. I'd take them off in Aug or Sept and leave them out to be robbed spic and span clean. Have you really read the Bayer pamphlets? my advice is don't eat it. this is the sort of thing that could cause big issues. Mike In article , Barry Birkey wrote: > > > > From: Matthew Pollard > > > hives. Great, now i have about 100lbs of honey that i cannot use! Damn > > damn damn damn. I didn't expect my ladies to be that strong and prolific > > this season so i saw no reason to not put the strips in when i did. > > > > Now what do i do with this honey? > > Matthew - > > NO PROBLEM, eat the honey yourself! The EPA just saved the day for you and > others by establishing tolerances for coumaphos in honey and beeswax. Now > it's "okay" for there to be coumaphos in honey. A little bit won't hurt > anyone. Wow, what timing for your sake. > > http://www.beesource.com/news/article/coumaphoslevel.htm > > Regards, > Barry > > -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp problem Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:42:24 -0700 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8nd9ki$rar$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8n52rc$c8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000813103736.11685.00000188@ng-fz1.aol.com> <8n8sfk$s7l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 966404562 27995 204.216.255.93 (16 Aug 2000 05:42:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26509 Thanks for the input. Actually I don't mind (that much) the ones in my avocado grove, but the ones hanging out on our front doorstep are a problem. I have a 2 and 4 year old. I think I stopped most of that by finding a white fly infestation on a nearby tree. The yellow jackets are somewhere else now. Time will tell. Anyone have any terrible stories about yellow jackets wiping out bees? Dave wrote in message news:8n8sfk$s7l$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <20000813103736.11685.00000188@ng-fz1.aol.com>, > bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > > Herb said > >They nest in the ground, usually near the base of a tree. > > > > > > Tim said > > Not quite, I just gas 4 Yellow Jacket nest last week, all > were in the ground in a 30 degree angle open. > > Perhaps, Tim, you don't have enough trees for them to nest near a > tree, where they usually like to nest. "Usually" doesn't mean "always" > but I wanted to give Dave a clue as to where to look on his 3 acres. > > But why gas them? Yellow jackets are beneficial creatures and eat a > lot more caterpillars than bees. Just before I learned that, I wiped > out a huge nest in our garden with gasoline because they were in the > wrong place and were a nuisance. When the caterpillars began eating > everything in our garden I wished I had my yellow jacket friends back, > but alas!! They had been destroyed by friendly fire. > > Herb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Date: 16 Aug 2000 05:22:20 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8ndmgc$mjo$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <399926D8.B5E48B41@zzclinic.net> <20000815123828.15730.00000007@ng-cf1.aol.com> <8nd0lg$ef1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26510 In article <8nd0lg$ef1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: >I'll work with >coumaphos and apistan juggling. Keep your eyes and ears open regarding _any_ chemicals. Mites are hard to kill, period. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 26511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!xfer10.netnews.com!xfe11.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-related science project Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:03:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8ndsek$cm8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.231 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 16 11:03:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; DSCC/DLA) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 PROXY2, 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.18.4.231 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26511 In article , "No1" wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas for a science fair project (hypothesis) that > relates to beekeeping. In our backyard, we have a 3 frame observation hive > and a top bar hive with observation window (both made at home) that should > be populated with Starline bees this week. We are wondering how we could use > one or both of these hives as science projects. Any ideas would be greatly > appreciated. > > how about a comparison of how well the bees do with the different types of foundations available - wood frame/wax, wood frame/ pierco, wood frame/ duraguilt, all plastic - -- Duane L. Rezac drezac@greenapple.com www.greenapple.com/~drezac Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees that swarm Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:53:09 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <39997574.34C4D854@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26512 I don't know how they decide who stays and who goes, but I remember reading about a study on the genetics of swarms. It said that the division of the hive was mostly made according to the drone heredity. In other words, assuming the old queen had mated with 12 drones, the swarm would be made from most (but not all) of the progeny of 6 drones and the bees left behind would be from most (but not all) of the progeny of the other 6 drones. (I think I'm over-simplifying this, but this was the basic concept I got from what I read.) Paul >I'm curious, having just had my observation hive swarm (purposedly, having let >it get crowded over the summer), how do the bees determine which bees leave >with a swarm (& which bees stay), let alone, how many of the little guys will >leave/stay? In this case, not enough left and I'll think I'll be able to get >them tomorrow, hive them, then combine them later with another weak hive that I >need to feed anyway. Article 26513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:06:45 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 30 Message-ID: <399986B3.D160A1F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8mc58h$7sa$0@208.249.8.75> <20000812203050.16869.00000935@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26513 Justin Schmidt is out of town right now, so I'll respond as best I remember. I have also noticed that about 1 in 3 people swear to be violently, life-threateningly allergic to bee stings or have someone in their immediate family who is. As I recall from Dr. Schmidt, the level is less than 2 to 3 percent with any allergies to bee stings. - John F. Edwards Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA Tucson, Arizona 85719 http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html _______________________________________________ George Styer wrote: > By my estimation, if 1/100th of 1 percent of those claiming to be allergic > to bee venom actually were, then bee stings would be the #1 killer in the US > and we would be wasting a lot of money and energy on such insignificant > things as cancer. When someone tells me they are allergic to bee stings my > initial reaction is "Right, and I am the sole heir to Bill Gates fortune." > > Here is the real mystery. If all those people are allergic, why aren't they > dead? > , but allergists I've talked with say that actually only one out > of > > every 200 to one out of every 1000 people are truly (seriously) allergic > to > > bees, having a serious systemic, life-threating reaction. Of course, > everyone > > you talk with "out there" swears they are allergic, Article 26514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:22:12 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 90 Message-ID: <39998A52.CCE5B515@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26514 Sorry to keep your entire message attached, but you have just provided the best description of an allergic reaction I have seen. Please talk with an allergist who is experienced in bee venom allergy. Most allergists are not very adept in this field, so you may need to look around at some distance. As I understand it, Allergies do not occur at the first exposure, but need to build up. This is serious business. I went to college with a guy who would have been an effective bee researcher, but started passing out in his car on the way home from the beeyard, and had to find another interest. I do not know how effective long-term treatments are, but you should talk to someone who does. I have forwarded your post to Justin Schmidt of our lab, who is out of the country right now, and also to his wife, who is an M.D. party2go wrote: > This is my second year of keeping bees. I have five colonies and I am > planning to expand next year. > > About two weeks ago I was stung three times by my bees while removing honey > supers from the hives. I had on my white heavy bee suit. I was stung twice > through the air holes in the wrists of my gloves. Nothing new I've been > stung there plenty of times before. But my vail some how got against the > back of my neck and needless to say I was stung there too. I'm not sure if I > got the stinger out immediately or not, but my guess is that I didn't. > That's a hard place to get to with leather gloves on. > > After being stung in the back of the neck I got tingly and itchy all over, I > could feel my lips, hands, and feet swelling. I was almost done with > everything so I finished my work with the bees. When I took off my suit I > could see I had hives all over my body and my head it was red as a tomato, > and my face was swollen. I was about 30 minutes from home. When I got home, > I got a glass of water and found it difficult to swallow. > > My wife insisted that I go to the hospital. She's the boss you know. I went > to the hospital and they gave me a shot of Benadryl and a shot of > Adrenaline. The hives and swelling immediately started to go away. However > the treatment was not very fun. After about a hour I left the hospital. When > I got home the hives started to come back, the hospital said to take the > oral over the counter Benadryl. I did and the hives eventually went away. > > I did not feel very good for the next couple of days. But I'm not sure if > that is because of the bees stings or the treatment. > > The doctor at the hospital told me the next time I got stung that the > reaction would probably be more severe. I think the general population tends > to over react when it come to bees, especially bee stings, so I'm not sure > if he was correct in telling me this. Just two months prior I was stung > twice and had no problems what so ever. Just a little swelling and itching > at the site of the sting, nothing unusual. > > The doctor gave me a prescription for an Epi-pen. > > I refuse to get rid of my bees even though that is the suggestion everyone > gives me. I figure if everyone thinks I should get rid of the bees, then I > had better keep them. Plus I love this hobby! > > Sorry to be so wordy, but I wanted to give all the info so I can get good > responses. > > Is there any other beekeepers out there that have had the same problem? If > so what precautions do you take to keep from being stung? > > Is the doctor correct in saying that the next time I get stung the reaction > will be worse? > > Has anyone used the Epi-pen and does it work? > > Should I talk to a allergist? Would an Allergist have good info on bee > stings,or would another type of doctor be more appropriate? > > Thanks in advance for you time. > > Dan the beekeep man > dwilliams157@home.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting story Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:34:17 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 12 Message-ID: <39998D27.8E67F119@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <399918D5.270F95EC@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26515 "L.E.G." wrote: > You say you like sting stories, well let me tell you > one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The legendary Steve Taber III frequently said (here in Tucson) that one was not a REAL beekeeper until one had been stung where you mentioned. After 35 years working here, I still do not qualify, and have very little desire to do so. Article 26516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Funny Bee Joke Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:03:46 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 37 Message-ID: <399A8321.D39D8895@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@a049508.syr.pgr.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26516 Anybody got any more???? ============================================= TARZAN LEARNS ABOUT THE BIRDS AND THE BEES One day Jane met Tarzan in the jungle. She was very attracted to him and during her questions about his life she asked him how he managed for sex. "What's that?" he asked. She explained to him what sex was and he said, "Oh, I use a hole in the trunk of a tree." Horrified, she said, "Tarzan, you have it all wrong. I'll show you how to do it properly." She took off her clothes, laid down on the ground and spread her legs wide. "Here," she said, "You must put it in here." Tarzan removed his loincloth, stepped closer and then gave her an almighty kick in the crotch. Jane rolled around in agony. Eventually she managed to gasp, "What the hell did you do that for?" "Checking for bees," said Tarzan. Article 26517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:53:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8nekf9$9me$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.66 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 16 17:53:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.66 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26517 In article <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com>, "party2go" wrote: > This is my second year of keeping bees. I have five colonies and I am > planning to expand next year. ... > Is there any other beekeepers out there that have had the same problem? > > Dan the beekeep man > dwilliams157@home.com Dan, The following was copied from an e-mail in the apitherapy list in June 1999. This was the beelady's response to a beekeeper who said he had become allergic to bee stings. It was this procedure I followed at first and then went on to get a lot more stings after I discovered how beneficial they were. Of course it is safest to have the bee kit handy, maybe a doctor too. It's also important to take the stingers out immediately for the first few times. Good place to start is the lower back to minimize swelling. It worked for me! Now I can continue my hobby and enjoy it more without any fear or concern about bee stings. Good luck, Herb > > E-MAIL: beelady@olg.com WEB PAGE: www.olg.com/beelady Her procedure: >> Steve, What do you mean when you say you became allergic to bee stings? If you've been stung and had trouble with your throat and chest closing making it difficult to breath, then you need to desensitize yourself. To do this, first get an epinephrine kit from a doctor or through joining the AAS (contact Linda Day at LDay@in- touch.net). Now, follow this procedure: Give yourself a sting and remove it right away. Wait an hour. Do the same thing again, waiting a hour. Do this five times in one day. Repeat this procedure the very next day. Now do that same procedure every other day for two weeks. Now, you should be desensitized!<< Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ targetting feral hives Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:21:30 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 36 Message-ID: <399ADBA9.5FA18079@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26518 Teri Bachus wrote: > > In article <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes > > >Greetings All > > >It looks like our feral bees are being targetted for extinction as a > measure > > >to control the varroa mite scourge. > > for a somewhat different but similar scenario, see "Killer Bees Live Calmly > in U.S."...especially: > "...trying to stop the USDA from creating "doomsday weapons," such as > poison baits, to eradicate feral colonies of Africanized honeybees." > > http://www.beesource.com/news/article/azrepublic.htm If any of you take the time to read this newspaper article, please note the date........1991. So far as I know, this lab (Tucson) is not involved in any research to these ends now, and the main researcher using Ivermectin (Dr. Loper) has retired. Some stories die hard. ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:42:03 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 21 Message-ID: <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com> References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> <8nekf9$9me$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26519 hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > If you've been stung and had trouble with your throat and > chest closing making it difficult to breath, then you need to > desensitize yourself. To do this, first get an epinephrine kit from a > doctor or through joining the AAS (contact Linda Day at LDay@in- > touch.net). Now, follow this procedure: > Give yourself a sting and remove it right away. Wait an hour. Do the > same thing again, waiting a hour. Do this five times in one day. > Repeat this procedure the very next day. Now do that same procedure > every other day for two weeks. Now, you should be desensitized!<< Speaking only for myself, I have seldom seen a more irresponsible and dangerous suggestion. What would your doctor say ? Sorry to be so negative. J. E. Article 26520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queenless swarm? Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:21:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.91.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 966460912 24.66.91.109 (Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:21:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:21:52 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26520 Hello everyone, I'm hoping someone can help me with a situation I have. Recently I had a swarm, I decided to make a new hive out of this swarm. It's been approx. a week now and there are no eggs in the new hive, even though it had drawn out foundation. How long does it usually take for the queen to start laying? As I understand the old queen should have left with the swarm, so she should be fertile. Thanks for all the help, Greg Article 26521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3999B519.2EDF2470@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:24:42 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> <8md0ma$l9l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <398CC2FE.DFAB4E6F@cornell.edu> <398CC4DC.DF4743FB@cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn60.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 966388405 22528 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26521 This happened to me also, as I wrote to the group earlier in the spring about 6 full supers evaporated. Had 6 supers high full of capped and uncapped honey. when the initial 2 supers are full I add another under the original 2 and so on.Things were starting to slow down so my inspection was getting less frequent. Well to my surprise the 2 top supers that were full of honey, had become full of drones and nothing but drones, and all the honey was gone from 3 of the supers,To top it all off think the rest of the colony swarmed after I released the drones. Next year I will only have 3 deep supers at one time , maybe the isolation from the queen makes a laying worker pop up. We will see , but no more supers 6 high for me............................... JGinNY wrote: > P.S. -- > > They left behind NO queen cells. It wasn't even like late-season swarming. > They just took off. > > I think the tiny number of bees that were in the hive by the time I got 'round > to it were ones that had emerged from capped cells after the colony "split." > > Anyway, it was weird. > > seeya, > joel Article 26522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Aug 2000 01:49:14 GMT References: <20000814214750.17529.00002329@ng-ct1.news.cs.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Message-ID: <20000815214914.02871.00000066@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26522 >Take your losses and move on, but don't start pointing fingers. > Sorry Guys, I have to agree with Robert. I've work with the Chem.company and knew what they are going to do but, Belives me you will be sorry later down the road. Drop it and move forward. You can raise bees back but, You can't get your strips unless you have a lic. Article 26523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding a queen Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:05:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8ncst6$aet$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8n1mki$4rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <28327-3999C8F6-38@storefull-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.76 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 16 02:05:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.76 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26523 > (veris) wrote: > could someone tell me why i have low > honey production?and why i have lost > three complete hives in my area.i am not > new at beekeeping.lived in the north and > did not have this problem in illinois.but everytime i put in a new > swarm they are gone in about two years.not from mites just plain > gone!they leave without saying goodby.and the couple of seasons that > they do stay> they make very little honey not even enough to winter > over on.i've tried with both caucasion and italian breeds.and have the > same results.i live in northeastern ark. *********************************************** Howdy Veris -- If you live east of Crdowley's Ridge, you are in delta farm land. Have you considered insecticides used in the farming operations? I assume you are familiar with mites and diseases and have ruled that out. If you can give more details someone on this forum can probably be of help. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "kkeepper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: trapping bees in a wall Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <5nqm5.25205$B86.824878@nntp2.onemain.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:30:10 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.189.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 966406721 209.63.189.8 (Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:18:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:18:41 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26524 just as a suggestion, you may want to open the wall and use a bee vacum to remove them.You can remove the excess honey and wax from the wall that way and it will keep the bees from reestablishing themselves. If you do this from the inside, make sure it is dark and use red light bulbs for illumination. This will retard the bees from flying. A bee vacum can be made with a super and sides and a few plumbing parts dryer hoses and a leaf blower vac. Ive done this and the only thing to repairwas a section of drywall. Just work it out one piece at a time. Rob O'Hara wrote in message news:souk02ds63a165@corp.supernews.com... > Hello > > Some friends have a colony of bees in the walls of a grainery and don't want > the walls torn out, I've set up a screen cone and deep hive body on a > platform at the end of the cone. One bee can squeeze out but not back in. > The deep has three frames of house bees and a laying queen, plus 7 frames of > drawn comb. > > How long should I wait until I can remove screen cone and let the outside > hive rob out the old colony. Should I place supers on the new hive then ? > > Any thoughts or ideas on best way to handle this job? > > Thanks > > > -- > Rob O'Hara > rohara98@yahoo.com > 3rd Year ... 5 Hives > 3rd String Hobbiest > Trying To Grow > > Article 26525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Aug 2000 23:47:11 GMT References: <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Message-ID: <20000816194711.26664.00000270@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26525 Yet you chose to quote the whole thing Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WHOA! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:23:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 966469329 nnrp-10:22605 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26526 In article , nhhtog@soundom.net writes >I just found the coolest site on the web that I want you to check out. It's >called Soundom.net silly boy. Just found his own site eh? -- James Kilty Article 26527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless swarm? Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:27:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 966469332 nnrp-10:22605 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26527 In article , Greg writes >Hello everyone, > >I'm hoping someone can help me with a situation I have. Recently I had a >swarm, I decided to make a new hive out of this swarm. It's been approx. a >week now and there are no eggs in the new hive, even though it had drawn out >foundation. How long does it usually take for the queen to start laying? As >I understand the old queen should have left with the swarm, so she should be >fertile. Obviously not. Wait at least another week before expecting any signs. Allow more if the weather was not good day 3 onwards after the swarm. (Day 4, 5, 6, 7 (to be sure) for orientating and then mating. So there need to be about 4 good days after day 3 and another 5 or more to "incubate". Be patient. -- James Kilty Article 26528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA-ARS newsgroup presence(was"Lusby's research") Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:21:52 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 77 Message-ID: <399B220E.82DB428D@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> <8nekf9$9me$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26528 extracted from Bee-L for informational purposes: Barry Birkey wrote: > > As a side note, I also find quite interesting that in all the times this > topic of small cell size has come up for discussion on BEE-L, there has > never been any input by any researcher or scientist to aid in this topic. > Why is that? Is the idea so off base that it's ludicrous? I know there have > been studies on this from the US Gov. side. > > Regards, > Barry All : There have been and are studies at this lab regarding smaller comb size. The Lusby family is well known to us .... their business is operated from SE Tucson, and the Hayden Bee Research Center is in N Tucson. We have worked with lots of their hand-made foundation. I am not qualified to speak on the subject - you might correspond directly with Dr. Eric Erickson about comb size and mite resistance at eric@tucson.ars.ag.gov As to the reason why there is little to no input from researchers into newsgroups, I suggest you get a copy of the mailing list. As a USDA-ARS research technician, I seem to be the only visible gov't. presence on the two major internet newsgroups. This has puzzled me for the several years I have participated. Possibly one reason is that my situation (recovering from an auto wreck in 1995 and back surgery in 1999) has allowed me more computer time than the researchers who must publish to prove their jobs. My belief, sometimes founded on fact, is that many researchers believe that most internet newsgroup participants are hobbyists. I have looked into this, and do not believe it, but have had little success in pulling in more people. Possibly the younger researchers and those more comfortable with email will join in more readily, and experience the benefits of this large, diverse, intelligent, and generally well-informed conversational group. I have not been able to understand why the USDA-ARS bee labs are almost invisible in these groups. For those of you who have never heard, there are (still) USDA-Agricultural Research Service beelabs in Beltsville, MD, Baton Rouge, LA, Weslaco, TX, Tucson, AZ, and Logan, UT. My feeling is that we (the USDA) are in the information business - our research is useless unless it is shared continually with our customers, you. Just publishing in ABJ or Gleanings, etc. is no longer enough. As I near (early)retirement this year or next, my fear is that the "golden age" of USDA research has passed, along with the likes of Woodrow, Todd, McGregor, Levin, Barker, Waller, Moffett, and others, but my hope is that this period is just a realignment to the electronic age, and that others will join in. ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA Tucson, Arizona 85719 http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two queens + earwigs Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:10:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8nfl28$gbi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000805040849.23238.00000048@ng-ft1.aol.com> <07bf5d4a.a226b6f8@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.31 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 17 03:10:11 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.31 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26529 Earwigs, I got earwigs too, I haven't bothered to read anything about them but I usually find them between the outer and inner cover usually falling off and scrambling about amongst the bees on top of the inner cover. I haven't found that they cause any trouble and have never found them actually living in the hive. I think they're interested in the dark crevices the covers create but haven't seen any evidence that they do anything but coexist at the top. I have families of small black ants that like the same place but have never found either in the hives, although an earwig might dive in the inner cover hole when I open the outer. If there are any certified entymologists out there I'd love to hear about the earwigs too. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com > > -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Bill Wallace Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Extractor Purchase Advice Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:29:40 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <399B5C24.31AFAE1E@winco.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.158 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 966482755 18981 207.144.202.158 (17 Aug 2000 03:25:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:25:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26530 I have a Dadant 6-12 Frame Radial Extractor I love it could not ask for a better extractor for a small beekeeper as myself. I bought it from Dadant and Sons 800-637-7468 Article 26531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Daniel Paden" From: "Daniel Paden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: soap Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:59:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.183.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 966484779 168.191.183.57 (Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:59:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:59:39 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26531 Sorry to intrude on your group, but my bee-keeping stepfather is searching for a soap recipe that makes use of beeswax. Might any of you learned bee savants have something that could help him out? -- Dan the Man--If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, do the other trees make fun of it?-- Article 26532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-related science project Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:02:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8ne6ti$ogi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ndsek$cm8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 16 14:02:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.36 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26532 > How about a comparison of how well the bees do with the different types of foundations available - wood frame/wax, wood frame/ pierco, wood frame/ duraguilt, all plastic - > > -- > Duane L. Rezac > drezac@greenapple.com > www.greenapple.com/~drezac Good'un Duane! The hypothesis being that bees prefer wood/wax frames. This would be especially good since there will be two colonies. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ targetting feral hives Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:46:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26533 > In article <8mt8g6$jou$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes > >Greetings All > >It looks like our feral bees are being targetted for extinction as a measure > >to control the varroa mite scourge. for a somewhat different but similar scenario, see "Killer Bees Live Calmly in U.S."...especially: "...trying to stop the USDA from creating "doomsday weapons," such as poison baits, to eradicate feral colonies of Africanized honeybees." http://www.beesource.com/news/article/azrepublic.htm Article 26534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <399ACE94.C0100790@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting story References: <399918D5.270F95EC@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:25:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 966446583 209.248.4.152 (Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:23:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:23:03 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26534 "L.E.G." wrote: > > You say you like sting stories, >... I felt a sharp pain at the tip of my johnson,... >... hurts, no swelling.... Just as well, this group already has a Big Johnson, eh Kevin? :) AL Article 26535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Aug 2000 04:42:22 GMT References: <8ndsek$cm8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee-related science project Message-ID: <20000817004222.02376.00000377@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26535 Another idea( which someone suggested to me for my grade school observation hive presentions) was having the bees build different types of comb--like putting a bottom about the inner cover hold (and another super covering the bottom), or taking out a frame. Possibly, you could remove several frames or come up with some similar ideas to show the archetecture of a hive and the strength/design of the hexagonal cells. Article 26536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:02:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 86 Message-ID: <8ngr9a$qhc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> <8nekf9$9me$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.31 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 17 14:02:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.31 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26536 In article <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com>, John Edwards wrote: > > Speaking only for myself, I have seldom seen a more irresponsible and > dangerous suggestion. > What would your doctor say ? > Sorry to be so negative. > J. E. > No need to apologize for being negative, John. Many people are like that and can't seem to help it. But you must not get around much. I've seen a lot more irresponsible and dangerous suggestions. This one seemed good to me because my first sting in 1998 not only caused immense swelling, but also the itching of both palms, dizzyness, tightness of throat, etc and I didn't want to give up my hobby of beekeeping. As I've said before, many bee stings are cheap insurance against anaphylactic shock, and I started with crawling bees that had weaker venom because they were near the end of their life. It doesn't really matter what any doctor says, I say the procedure worked for me. Perhaps you missed it, but in my Aug 15 post above I already told you what my doctor said, ie "...anything that helps strengthen our immune system is good." But I'm glad you asked because here is what another doctor, a fully-informed doctor, said about the procedure when I first started it: "Keep at hand, besides Anakit, at least the following anti-allergic drugs: Benadryl Liquid - to be taken orally according to the manufacturer's instructions. Benadryl Tablets - 50 mg immediately after a bee sting and +4 X 25 mg within the next 24 hours. Benadryl Cream - To be applied to the skin on the area of the sting. Keep also close to you propolis tincture (20-30%). Propolis has good anti-histaminic and anti-inflammatory properties and it decreases the capillary permeability. The alcohol in which propolis is diluted, in small amounts: * helps the lungs; * improves the general blood flow (especially in the periphery where the anaphilactic shocks usually starts); * neutralize directly the bee venom allergic compounds through mechanisms studied not well enough. Learn also where the following three acupuncture points are located: * Large intestine 4 (Hegu), on the hand, between the thumb and the index finger. This point, in case of laryngial spasm, if strongly stimulated with an acupuncture needle, may open again the larynx, thus saving the patient's life. Two such cases have been saved, here in Romania, by two different acupuncturists (the laryngeal spasm occured after penicinil injections). * Governing Vessel 26 (Renzhong), located immediately under the nose; this point has the strongest sympathicomimetic effect; in other words, it stimulates the nervous system which is related to the dynamic activities, being responsible for the opening of the air related "tubes" (larynx, bronchia etc.); stimulate this point if necessary; thanks to it, and to other points, I "came back" from a BV caused semi-anaphilactic shock, a couple of years ago... * Urinary bladder 52 (Zhishin), situated on the back, at the level of the second lumbar vertebra; according to the Traditional Chinese Medicine and to modern Chinese apipuncturists, it gives the BEST protection against anaphylactic shocks and/or allergic reactions. So, if I'll be in your place, I'll sting mainly UB 52. Do NOT sting GV 26 (Renzhong) or LI 4 (Hegu)! Keep these points as a "reserve" and, if necessary, stimulate them with a sterile acupuncture needle (stinging under the nose its of course not a clever idea... and stinging LI 4 may bring too much energy in the throat area. I hope, from the bottom of my heart, that everything will be OK for you! Please keep in mind that your life is very precious not only for you and your family, but for all of us too! My heart and hopes will be all this time somewhere around you... Please inform us DAILY on your situation! Send just few words; something like: "BV Rapid Desensitization. Day 7, everything OK." Ideally though would be to have from you a lot of details! Best wishes, good luck and, again, PLEASE keep us informed! Yours, Stefan Stangaciu. MD, LAcup Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.bc.net!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: "Gordon Blackmore" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killer bees arriving in Canada on transport trucks and ships Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:51:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.83.20.200 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 966527496 204.83.20.200 (Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:51:36 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:51:36 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26537 The National Post, a major national Canadian newspaper carried this story. I hope this is not in response for the "Canadian Arctic Cold Fronts" we send our southern neighbours. :) http://www.nationalpost.com/stories/20000817/373418.html Good beekeeping from the Great White North Gordon Blackmore 3 Bees Honey http://come.to/3bees Article 26538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding a queen Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:32:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <8nh42j$5kg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000811141829.12370.00000393@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 17 16:32:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26538 I've gotten better at finding queens and here's how I do it. The method of 'straining' your bees through an excluder works great if you're working to find a queen in a swarm. But in requeening operations it's rather brute force and it'll have a more detrimental effect on the hive. The way I do it is like this, Using smoke extremely sparingly,not none, but only 1 or 2 puffs, remove all honey supers and put them a couple feet away.odds are in your favor she's not there. The queens head off running if there's too much smoke. Next with the outer cover on the ground place the top deep super on it on end, combs vertical preferred. OK, now pick a deep box take out two frames end or center your pick. inspect carefully for the queen.If she's not there set them aside. Next using your hive tool seperate the 7 or 8 remaining frames into two groups of 4 seperated by as much distance the box will give. Pick a group and pull a frame and check for the Queen. Generally I don't find the queen on sealed brood, but on frames with eggs. When you pull a frame with eggs you're probably very close. If you hosed the hive with smoke then she'll be just about anywhere and this logic won't apply. So work though this group of 4 then the next and then do the same for the other deep box if you still can't find her. It's not hard or overly time consuming except if you have a massive 200lb honey producer, but then why would you requeen that one? The concept of seperating the frames into groups is it tends to hold the queen. if you happen to get a frame next to the queen she's liable to go down and over 5 frames and then repeat the run in the other direction as you get closer. Entering with little smoke will let you find her where she's doing her job. that's why i typically find them on egg frames. Anyway that's the way our state beekeeper showed me and now i can usually find them without much ado. that's my two cents, good luck. -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Aug 2000 15:34:36 GMT References: <20000815123828.15730.00000007@ng-cf1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000817113436.15943.00000052@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26539 >Big Johnson > >Tell us exactly how you used the fomic packets. >Entertain the thought that they do work for a moment and perhaps you made >some >mistake. >Give us the benefit of your experience so that we don't do the s Ok guys , first off let me say that i'm not involved in any suit nor will i be. I had heard a rumor and wanted input from the rest of ya. I used the apicure gel packs as instructed in the instructions, and also talked with my local inspector just to make sure i did it right. Slit an " X " right along the package as indicated, gave it a little twist as instructed and placed it on the top bars. Some packs had evaporated within the 3 week period, a few had not. but all was removed as instructed after 3 weeks. Hive deaths began within 2 weeks of removal, 2 hives lost during treatment the rest dur to queen death or uslessness ( good queens becoming dormant ) As I said i heard the inpressive news and wanted a cheaper alternative to apistan. You want my " experianced advise "... " formic acid is not a sure enough replacement for apistan and i do not recommend relying on it as a treatment for varroa due to its effect on the health of your bees." H.Kevin Johnson The above is a direct quote and can be used as you wish . Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 26540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees arriving in Canada on transport trucks and ships Date: 17 Aug 2000 17:08:57 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8nh679$n2m$1@campus3.mtu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Trace: campus3.mtu.edu 966532137 23638 141.219.67.30 (17 Aug 2000 17:08:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mtu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 2000 17:08:57 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26540 Gordon Blackmore wrote: : The National Post, a major national Canadian newspaper carried this story. I : hope this is not in response for the "Canadian Arctic Cold Fronts" we send : our southern neighbours. :) : http://www.nationalpost.com/stories/20000817/373418.html Oh, for crying out loud. This particular line from the article is a pretty irresponsible thing for them to say: "African bees can be identified by their comparatively smaller size, with shorter wings, and darker colouring than the European honey variety. But they are difficult to spot unless you are an expert." Now, I've just started three New World Carniolan colonies alongside some Italian colonies, and the bees from one of the colonies of the NWCs are smaller, darker, and have shorter wings than the adjacent Italians. (the bees in the other two NWC colonies are about the size of the Italians). The NWCs are also mild-mannered "pussycats" (the Italians have stung me probably a dozen times this year, but the NWCs have yet to even make annoyed noises at me). All I need now is for somebody to decide that they are "expert" enough to tell "killer bees" from regular bees, see my little dark girls flying around, and go into a panic. I've already had to reassure several of my neighbors that no, I'm not keeping "killer bees", and alarmist articles like this are *not* going to help. (I'm in northern Michigan, by the way. Even *this far* from where the "killer bees" actually are, I *still* meet people who get all into a tizzy about bees because they think they're "killers"). Gah. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 26541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting story Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Aug 2000 15:37:10 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000817113710.15943.00000054@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26541 >> I felt a sharp pain at the tip of my johnson, yep I dropped what I was >> doing ran to the barn stripped and removed the still pumping stinger. > >KEVIN JOHNSON! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR YERSELF??? > OUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 26542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Check+Mite strips and contaminated honey :-( Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:06:08 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <399973C7.5033A379@uidaho.edu.no.spam> <8nd1va$fr2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-121.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 966488800 74577 207.229.151.121 (17 Aug 2000 05:06:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 2000 05:06:40 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26542 in article 8nd1va$fr2$1@nnrp1.deja.com, kamtout@together.net at kamtout@together.net wrote on 8/15/00 10:31 PM: > I'd take them off in Aug or Sept and leave them out to be robbed spic > and span clean. > Have you really read the Bayer pamphlets? > my advice is don't eat it. this is the sort of thing that could cause > big issues. Mike - I guess I better set the record straight as I see my sarcasm was not received as such. I couldn't agree with you more! The last thing I would suggest for anyone would be to eat something that has been contaminated with chemicals. I just found it quite interesting that the EPA just set a tolerance level for coumaphos in honey and wax. Now we can keep producing honey that is "acceptable." We have now set a new precedence for the industry. We'll just keep raising the tolerance level up in our honey to fit the use of our stronger and stronger chemicals. Regards, Barry Article 26543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees arriving in Canada on transport trucks and ships Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:33:31 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 36 Message-ID: <399C21EA.2516C06C@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26543 Interesting ..... one line in this article caught my eye - "Mating African killer bees with European bees improves their disposition but after four or five years the African variety again becomes dominant." Anybody care to comment on this ????? - John Edwards Gordon Blackmore wrote: > The National Post, a major national Canadian newspaper carried this story. I > hope this is not in response for the "Canadian Arctic Cold Fronts" we send > our southern neighbours. :) > > http://www.nationalpost.com/stories/20000817/373418.html > > Good beekeeping from the Great White North > Gordon Blackmore > 3 Bees Honey > > http://come.to/3bees ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:38:21 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 12 Message-ID: <399C2306.2BEB2A56@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com> <20000816194711.26664.00000270@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26544 BeeCrofter wrote: > Yet you chose to quote the whole thing > > Tom > Well, yes, that was probably my brain fading again. - John (senior moment) Edwards Article 26545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting story Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:24:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8nh3k1$4su$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399918D5.270F95EC@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.67 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 17 16:24:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.67 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26545 In article <399918D5.270F95EC@crosslink.net>, gmt@crosslink.net wrote: > You say you like sting stories, well let me tell you > one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Lucky enough to have been stung enough to be resistant, I was checking > my hives on a very hot day so I stripped down to my boxers and put on my suit (full suit) and no shirt, shoes and socks, but forgot to zip the > ankle zips. About half way through, ( I swear I did not feel it coming ) > I felt a sharp pain at the tip of my johnson, yep I dropped what I was > doing ran to the barn stripped and removed the still pumping stinger. As I said earlier I have been stung enough to where only the initial sting hurts, no swelling and just an itch for a day. Well there it is, I can really say don't let this happen to you. What puzzles me about this story is that you had to run to the barn. You said the ankle zips were already open. Why didn't you just reach down and scrape out the stinger? :-) Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: james@datawerks.com (james) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how much work? Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:06:21 GMT Message-ID: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.164.113.246 X-Trace: 17 Aug 2000 13:03:39 -0500, 63.164.113.246 Lines: 20 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!local-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!corp.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!63.164.113.246 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26546 I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of year dependent too. I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in making my decision to start? thanks!!!! Mike -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 26547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:47:51 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 16 Message-ID: <399C2547.6C987368@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> <8nekf9$9me$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com> <8ngr9a$qhc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26547 hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > It doesn't really matter what any doctor says, I say the procedure > worked for me. > Perhaps you missed it, but in my Aug 15 post above I already told > you what my doctor said, ie "...anything that helps strengthen our > immune system is good." Well .... in the words of Rudyard Kipling, "you're a better man than I am" - and braver. I cannot deny that there are alternative methods and disciplines, and that some work. - John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona Article 26548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: 17 Aug 2000 18:39:26 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 55 Message-ID: <8nhbgu$pu4$1@campus3.mtu.edu> References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Trace: campus3.mtu.edu 966537566 26564 141.219.67.30 (17 Aug 2000 18:39:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mtu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 2000 18:39:26 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26548 james wrote: : I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all : ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it : in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... : Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life : experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are : we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of : year dependent too. : I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of : them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in : making my decision to start? OK, I started with three hives last year. They get inspected about every two weeks during the spring, summer, and fall, at about a half-hour per inspection. Sticking with medium boxes instead of deeps, the lifting is not too bad. This year, I harvested around 50 lbs of honey (it wasn't a particularly good year for the bees to make much of a crop, temps didn't regularly get above 60 degrees here until the beginning of July). We are still straining the last of it, time spent on the harvest so far has been about 8 hours (mainly because we were (a) trying to figure out what we were doing, and (b) working slowly to keep from getting the kitchen all sticky). Prepping the hives for winter last year took about an hour, and they all survived, so I must have done *something* right. Assembling hive parts has probably been as time-consuming as anything, at about 2 hours to assemble and paint the woodenware and install the foundation for a single box (I've been trying to keep at 3 medium brood boxes and 2 supers per hive, so 15 boxes comes to about 30 hours of work all told. This has been getting faster as I gained experience, though). Of course, you can get around this by paying extra for pre-assembled stuff. Oh yes, the electric fence to keep the bears out probably took 4 hours to build, and takes about a half-hour a month to maintain. So, all in all, I'd say the only part that is actually much work is the harvesting part, everything else so far has been something I could do either in a bit of time on the weekends, or immediately after work. You do want to keep an eye on them, though. Don't neglect them for long periods. I usually go down to have a quick look (not opening any hives, just observing the traffic) every day or two, just to make sure they are OK. The thing is, I spent probably as much time reading books and articles about the bees, and making plans for what I would do for various contingencies, as I have actually out there working with them. If you take the whole business seriously and make sure you are ready for it, the actual time and effort committment for just a few hives is no larger than any other hobby that you take seriously. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 26549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:07:12 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 31 Message-ID: <399C37E0.1EBCDA4D@uidaho.edu> References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 966539223 28478 129.101.81.41 (17 Aug 2000 19:07:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 2000 19:07:03 GMT To: james X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26549 Where are you located? I think the best thing to do is to get to know a beekeeper in you area and start following them around their hives. That way you can get a feeling for art of beekeeping. Also, if your local beekeeper is like me (and many other) they probably have an extra veil so you can get up close and personal with the ladies. Good luck and have fun Matthew james wrote: > I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all > ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it > in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... > > Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life > experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are > we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of > year dependent too. > > I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of > them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in > making my decision to start? > > thanks!!!! > Mike > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 26550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees that swarm Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:12:32 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8nhkqp$3a8$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39997574.34C4D854@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-56.agarwaen.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 966547097 3400 62.136.99.184 (17 Aug 2000 21:18:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 2000 21:18:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26550 ... and if she mated with just one drone do they all go - or does she swarm alone? "Paul Petty" wrote in message news:39997574.34C4D854@ims.com... > I don't know how they decide who stays and who goes, but I remember > reading about a study on the genetics of swarms. It said that the > division of the hive was mostly made according to the drone heredity. > In other words, assuming the old queen had mated with 12 drones, the > swarm would be made from most (but not all) of the progeny of 6 drones > and the bees left behind would be from most (but not all) of the progeny > of the other 6 drones. (I think I'm over-simplifying this, but this was > the basic concept I got from what I read.) > > Paul > > >I'm curious, having just had my observation hive swarm (purposedly, > having let > >it get crowded over the summer), how do the bees determine which bees > leave > >with a swarm (& which bees stay), let alone, how many of the little > guys will > >leave/stay? In this case, not enough left and I'll think I'll be able > to get > >them tomorrow, hive them, then combine them later with another weak > hive that I > >need to feed anyway. > Article 26551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail From: "mark mierzejewski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much varroa mite in the hive an excess? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:47:26 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.188.162 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 966552539 204.213.188.162 (Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:48:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:48:59 EDT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26551 I have three hives and I never noticed varroa mites in my hive. Of course I've used Apstan strip at the regular dosage and time. Just recently when separating my deeps I accidentally ripped open some drone larvae and noticed 2-4 mites in each capped brood of the larvae. This made me very nervous. Here in southern New England we have about a month before extracting the supers and I was wondering if I should wait to medicate them at that time or if it's a big enough problem that I should do something immediately. I don't notice any unusual behavior, nor do I see any on my bees or worker larvae. Obviously I'm only one year into beekeeping and would appreciate any expert advice. Thanks, Mark Article 26552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!news.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:15:20 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8nhkg6$90n$1@news.jump.net> References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> X-Trace: news.jump.net 966546759 9239 207.8.9.139 (17 Aug 2000 21:12:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26552 I just started keeping bees back around the first of May. I started with one established colony bought from a local beekeeper, and now have four full hives plus a nice 3-frame observation hive I have built in my house and populated with a small swarm I caught. (Five colonies total) I too have read everything I can get my hands on, and have become totally adicted to my bees. Have you heard of a "football widow"? Well, my wife is at times, claims to be a "beekeeping widow". (Don't get me wrong, she likes the bees too, has her own gear, and helps when she can.) I have spent a great deal of time building equipment, reading and, since 3 of the colonies are in our back yard, I observe them regularly. I believe, that a casual hobbist beekeeper can probably spend relatively little time keeping 2-3 hives of bees. Once you have all your equipment and the colonies are well established, you could probably get away with an inspection every 2 weeks or so. More during the honeyflow to assure adequate storage space is available to the bees. Less during the winter. Truth be known you can probably spend a whole lot less time with bees than you would a dog! But, the moment you become a "bee dork" like myself, and wanting to do more with the bees, your time will quickly get used!!! james wrote in message news:399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com... > I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all > ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it > in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... > > Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life > experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are > we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of > year dependent too. > > I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of > them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in > making my decision to start? > > thanks!!!! > Mike > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 26553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!feed.newsreader.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <399C564E.BB518849@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> <8nekf9$9me$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com> <8ngr9a$qhc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399C2547.6C987368@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:17:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 966546867 209.248.4.145 (Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:14:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:14:27 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26553 John Edwards wrote: > > hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > > It doesn't really matter what any doctor says, I say the procedure > > worked for me. > > Perhaps you missed it, but in my Aug 15 post above I already told > > you what my doctor said, ie "...anything that helps strengthen our > > immune system is good." > > Well .... in the words of Rudyard Kipling, "you're a better man than I am" - > and braver. > I cannot deny that there are alternative methods and disciplines, and > that some work. > - John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona "That which does not kill me will make me stronger" Nietzsche AL :) Article 26554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: Greg Ferris Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:53:18 -0700 Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 66 Message-ID: <399C88FE.3E2414BF@radix.net> References: <20000814163341.01512.00000012@ng-fw1.aol.com> <20000814214750.17529.00002329@ng-ct1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26554 Robert Williamson wrote: > >I have talked to a number of beekeepers who are considering taking action > >against the Apicure company due to large losses after using the formic acid > >product. > > > >I myself have lost 12 hives to date after using the Apicure formic acid > >treatment. > >Apparently the product causes queen death in many cases. > > > >I would like to hear from others who had unusual losses after using Apicure. > >And any thoughts on this matter. > > > >thanks > > > > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm.. lets see. yep thats exactly what cost us the most valuable chemical we > have in our fight against the mites....Amitraz. Because of beekeeper misuse in > killing their own queens with it we can no longer legally use it on bees. > > Yep lets blame the chemical companies and sue the heck out of em and push yet > another viable chemical off the market. > > Anyone ever think about testing their new toy on a few hives at first. I mean > hell have you ever read the back of a spray paint can... Spray on out of the > way place to test color match. Do you paint half your house before you stop to > see if the color matches? > > Are you sure you used it right? Or did you think that sticking it in the middle > of the brood cluster would be more effective? Are you positive it wasn't > something else? > > If you don't think it works...Quite using it. Accept responsibility for not > testing it first, but don't ruin it for the rest of us. > > Hey lets go sue the Tobacco companies, even though I read the damn warning on > the pack. Lets assume some personal responsibilty here. > > I guess I should sue the makers of apistan for the resistant mites we have > here, because they should have made sure that a certain beekeeper didn't leave > his strips in for three years and bragged how long they lasted, but can't > understand why the new ones don't work. > > Take your losses and move on, but don't start pointing fingers. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" We lost amitraz because the mites became immune to it in 3 generations. beekeep Article 26555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: Greg Ferris Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:56:57 -0700 Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <399C89D9.9C5848C4@radix.net> References: <20000815123828.15730.00000007@ng-cf1.aol.com> <20000817113436.15943.00000052@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26555 If you had seen the hives it was tested on at USDA you wouldn't have used it. beekeep Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >Big Johnson > > > >Tell us exactly how you used the fomic packets. > >Entertain the thought that they do work for a moment and perhaps you made > >some > >mistake. > >Give us the benefit of your experience so that we don't do the s > > Ok guys , first off let me say that i'm not involved in any suit nor will i be. > I had heard a rumor and wanted input from the rest of ya. > > I used the apicure gel packs as instructed in the instructions, and also talked > with my local inspector just to make sure i did it right. > > Slit an " X " right along the package as indicated, gave it a little twist as > instructed and placed it on the top bars. > > Some packs had evaporated within the 3 week period, a few had not. but all was > removed as instructed after 3 weeks. > > Hive deaths began within 2 weeks of removal, 2 hives lost during treatment the > rest dur to queen death or uslessness ( good queens becoming dormant ) > > As I said i heard the inpressive news and wanted a cheaper alternative to > apistan. > You want my " experianced advise "... > " formic acid is not a sure enough replacement for apistan and i do not > recommend relying on it as a treatment for varroa due to its effect on the > health of your bees." H.Kevin Johnson > > The above is a direct quote and can be used as you wish . > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 26556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: Greg Ferris Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:04:32 -0700 Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 69 Message-ID: <399C8BA0.32328396@radix.net> References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26556 Wearing those damned gloves will make you allergic every time. Throw them away. beekeep party2go wrote: > This is my second year of keeping bees. I have five colonies and I am > planning to expand next year. > > About two weeks ago I was stung three times by my bees while removing honey > supers from the hives. I had on my white heavy bee suit. I was stung twice > through the air holes in the wrists of my gloves. Nothing new I've been > stung there plenty of times before. But my vail some how got against the > back of my neck and needless to say I was stung there too. I'm not sure if I > got the stinger out immediately or not, but my guess is that I didn't. > That's a hard place to get to with leather gloves on. > > After being stung in the back of the neck I got tingly and itchy all over, I > could feel my lips, hands, and feet swelling. I was almost done with > everything so I finished my work with the bees. When I took off my suit I > could see I had hives all over my body and my head it was red as a tomato, > and my face was swollen. I was about 30 minutes from home. When I got home, > I got a glass of water and found it difficult to swallow. > > My wife insisted that I go to the hospital. She's the boss you know. I went > to the hospital and they gave me a shot of Benadryl and a shot of > Adrenaline. The hives and swelling immediately started to go away. However > the treatment was not very fun. After about a hour I left the hospital. When > I got home the hives started to come back, the hospital said to take the > oral over the counter Benadryl. I did and the hives eventually went away. > > I did not feel very good for the next couple of days. But I'm not sure if > that is because of the bees stings or the treatment. > > The doctor at the hospital told me the next time I got stung that the > reaction would probably be more severe. I think the general population tends > to over react when it come to bees, especially bee stings, so I'm not sure > if he was correct in telling me this. Just two months prior I was stung > twice and had no problems what so ever. Just a little swelling and itching > at the site of the sting, nothing unusual. > > The doctor gave me a prescription for an Epi-pen. > > I refuse to get rid of my bees even though that is the suggestion everyone > gives me. I figure if everyone thinks I should get rid of the bees, then I > had better keep them. Plus I love this hobby! > > Sorry to be so wordy, but I wanted to give all the info so I can get good > responses. > > Is there any other beekeepers out there that have had the same problem? If > so what precautions do you take to keep from being stung? > > Is the doctor correct in saying that the next time I get stung the reaction > will be worse? > > Has anyone used the Epi-pen and does it work? > > Should I talk to a allergist? Would an Allergist have good info on bee > stings,or would another type of doctor be more appropriate? > > Thanks in advance for you time. > > Dan the beekeep man > dwilliams157@home.com Article 26557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: Greg Ferris Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-related science project Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:07:55 -0700 Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <399C8C6B.C1631FE9@radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26557 Nobody knows anything about drone pheramones and their effects. beekeep No1 wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas for a science fair project (hypothesis) that > relates to beekeeping. In our backyard, we have a 3 frame observation hive > and a top bar hive with observation window (both made at home) that should > be populated with Starline bees this week. We are wondering how we could use > one or both of these hives as science projects. Any ideas would be greatly > appreciated. Article 26558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-181-86.phnx.grid.net!user From: NO-Stretch@SPAM-StretchPhotography.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees arriving in Canada on transport trucks and ships Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:12:14 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <399C21EA.2516C06C@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b5.56 X-Server-Date: 18 Aug 2000 01:11:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26558 In article <399C21EA.2516C06C@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, John Edwards wrote: > Interesting ..... one line in this article caught my eye - > "Mating African killer bees with European bees improves their disposition but > after four or five > years the African variety again becomes dominant." > Anybody care to comment on this ????? > - John Edwards That's what I've read in "The Hive and the Honey Bee"... I dunno if that information's dated. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 26559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much varroa mite in the hive an excess? Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:12:16 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8ni5r6$4mg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-85.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 966564518 4816 209.130.165.85 (18 Aug 2000 02:08:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 2000 02:08:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26559 Hi Mark-- I would suggest to pull the supers A.S.A.P. The sooner you can pull the honey and then put your Apistan, coumaphos or formic in, the better the chance your hives can pull through winter. Do not put treatment on the hives with honey supers! If your honey is not capped yet, pull it anyway and if at all possible put in a room with a dehumidifier to bring your moisture level to 17% range so your honey will not ferment. Good Luck! --Busybee mark mierzejewski wrote in message news:vZZm5.256$u95.602960@news.ntplx.net... > I have three hives and I never noticed varroa mites in my hive. Of course > I've used Apstan strip at the regular dosage and time. > > Just recently when separating my deeps I accidentally ripped open some drone > larvae and noticed 2-4 mites in each capped brood of the larvae. This made > me very nervous. > > Here in southern New England we have about a month before extracting the > supers and I was wondering if I should wait to medicate them at that time or > if it's a big enough problem that I should do something immediately. I > don't notice any unusual behavior, nor do I see any on my bees or worker > larvae. > > Obviously I'm only one year into beekeeping and would appreciate any expert > advice. > > Thanks, > Mark > > Article 26560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-181-86.phnx.grid.net!user From: NO-Stretch@SPAM-StretchPhotography.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:14:53 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> <8nhkg6$90n$1@news.jump.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b5.56 X-Server-Date: 18 Aug 2000 01:14:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26560 > > james wrote in message > news:399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com... > > I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all > > ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it > > in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... > > > > Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life > > experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are > > we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of > > year dependent too. > > > > I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of > > them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in > > making my decision to start? > > I'm a full time freelance photographer... I travel about 40% of the time. I also have a hive of bees in my back yard. It's a great hobby, and one that requires some time and attention. It's not overwhelming if you have only one or a few hives. My wife is a little tired of the fact that, when I'm travelling and phone home, I tend to ask about "the girls" before I ask about her (my wife). ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 26561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Aug 2000 02:53:33 GMT References: <399C88FE.3E2414BF@radix.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Message-ID: <20000817225333.06111.00000044@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26561 > We lost amitraz because the mites became immune to it in 3 generations. > >beekeep We lost Mitac(amitraz) due to class action lawsuit because of queen death.. I have never heard anyone finding amitraz immune mites. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1039.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fumidil-b Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:14:14 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3999bae1.343422059@news.usit.net> <3999C84E.45A17F36@cornell.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1039.nts-online.net (216.167.136.148) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 966568446 9176140 216.167.136.148 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26562 nr. Ithaca, NY I was there once, it was pretty wet and reminded me of Wales. I think you need fumidil in wet places, but I've never needed it in the South West. Maybe some of your rain would help. C.K. Article 26563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <399CAA4B.936BA512@nospam.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:15:23 -0700 From: Barry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP! My bees are dying! Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.145.228.104 X-Trace: 17 Aug 2000 20:15:45 PST, 198.145.228.104 Lines: 13 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!pacifier!news.pacifier.com!198.145.228.104 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26563 I live in Vancouver Wa, have 2 hives in 2 different locations. 1 is fine, the second is not. The bottom of the 2 hive bodies has no bees at all, the frames are mostly empty, turned dark brown, and smell bad. The upper hive body is full of bees/honey etc. My 1 honey super I put on is completely empty, they didn't even draw out the comb. I know this has been a bad season in my area so I'm not to worried about no honey, but the 1 hive looks like it is dying, does this sound familiar to anyone? Am I dealing with a diseased hive?

thanks,
Barry Article 26564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for bees --- this late in the year? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:24:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8nia8m$ikh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.180 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 18 03:24:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.180 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26564 Robert, go to www.beeweaver.com it the website of B.Weaver apiaries in Navasota,TX. They might have something for you. Also they have been good to deal with as I've bought a few All American Queens from them. Nice folks. On a side note, in VT we haven't the pleasure of dealing with the hive-beetle yet, but I'd double check for that as that collapse you speak of is symptomatic of hive beetle larvae destruction. Mike in the moist Northeast In article , "Robert Talk" wrote: > I just lost all of my bees. During my vacation my top bar hive got too hot > and all my combs fell, killing the queeen and drowning the workers. > > Where can I get a 3 lb package of bees this late in the year? I live in > Spring (near Houston), Texas. > > -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees arriving in Canada on transport trucks and ships Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Aug 2000 08:39:10 GMT References: <8nh679$n2m$1@campus3.mtu.edu> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20000818043910.16069.00000114@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26565 >(I'm in northern Michigan, by the way. Even *this far* from where the >"killer bees" actually are, I *still* meet people who get all into a >tizzy about bees because they think they're "killers"). I'm in the UK and get the same thing. There's no physical barrier stopping African bees reaching Europe, so the fact that they are not our native bee points to some environmental reason (climate?) why they are not here. That being the case, there is little or no possibility of their arrival. Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 26566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:57:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8nj1a9$bdd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> <8nekf9$9me$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com> <8ngr9a$qhc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399C2547.6C987368@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <399C564E.BB518849@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 18 09:57:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26566 In article <399C564E.BB518849@midwest.net>, AL wrote: > > "That which does not kill me will make me stronger" > Nietzsche > > AL :) Good'un Al!! Had forgotten that one but it should be a motto for all beekeepers because there are so many beneficial products in a hive. When responding to John I was thinking of one irresponsible and dangerous suggestion where Nietszche's observation might not apply. That's where the driver says, "Hold my beer and watch this." LOL Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!diablo.theplanet.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: qtxtsrc@yoohoo.cam (Phantom Limb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do bees fly at night? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:23:38 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <399d2a9d.56782478@news.erols.com> X-Trace: B+ms5p2MR87N7FveaViVbqlfTXTKchzYQwNIyfoke55wAYXR1ZmaBw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 2000 12:18:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26567 I had a conversation with a co-worker recently about whether bees fly at night. I said I didn't think so because I thought bees used the sun for direction. Am I right? Wrong? Do bees fly at night? Thanks in advance. Article 26568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: virgin flight Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:33:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8nj3d9$dhd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 18 10:33:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26568 How many bees typically accompany a new queen on her mating flight? We found a small cluster on a fence post in front of our hives. Much too small to be a swarm. When they were still there the second day I vacuumed them and added them, over newspaper), to a hive over a mile away that was short of bees. A week later there were holes eaten through the paper so I began to remove what was left of it. Saw a small ball of bees and found a queen. Not the queen from the other hive. In my bumbling around, trying to get her in a container, she flew away. She had no difficulty flying so I'm wondering if that might have been a virgin queen on her mating flight. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much varroa mite in the hive an excess? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:51:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8nj4g1$en5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 18 10:51:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x51.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26569 > > > Just recently when separating my deeps I accidentally ripped open some drone larvae and noticed 2-4 mites in each capped brood of the larvae. I don't notice any unusual behavior, nor do I see any on my bees or worker larvae. < < < Don't panic. If you are not seeing any in your sealed worker brood or on the bees, then maybe you will be okay for a while. I'm assuming that when you say you do not see mites in the worker larvae that you uncapped and examined enough of the pupae to make a good sample and also pulled them out of the cells, and that you didn't just glance into the end of the cell. I suggest you try the sugar roll on some workers as well, just to gather a bit more information. I also suggest you ask around locally. Seems to me the Ministry has a chart showing the levels that require treatment at varioous times of the year. There was some discussion of this on BEE-L a year or two back. The problem with getting advice on the Internet is that it comes from all over and what may be good advice in one locality may be bad advice in another part of the world. Acceptable mite levels and timing of treatments are very much a local thing. --- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package bees, winter loss, fondant, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping, splitting, raising queens, AFB, varroa, protein patties, moving bees, pollination experiences, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Simon de Vet Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sleeping Bee? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:44:37 -0400 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 13 Message-ID: <399D2FB5.E9177107@mathstat.dal.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: purgatory.phys.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 966602694 2610 129.173.21.151 (18 Aug 2000 12:44:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 2000 12:44:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-6.0 alpha) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26570 The other evening, during a walk in a local park, I took a close look at some wildflowers. Near the centre of a golden rod was a orange-brown (fuzzy) bee, completely motionless. Anyone know what this was? Was it dead? Was it sleeping, away from the hive? Was it a solitary bee resting for the night? I took a photo of this bee, but it's hard to make out... Simon (non-beekeeper) Article 26571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much varroa mite in the hive an excess? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:16:56 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <8nj5od$m2i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <8ni5r6$4mg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-108.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 966597197 22610 209.130.165.108 (18 Aug 2000 11:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 2000 11:13:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26571 Gee, I hope I didn't sound panicked...but I think it be wise to act soon while time is on your side. --Busybee busybee wrote in message news:8ni5r6$4mg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > Hi Mark-- > > I would suggest to pull the supers A.S.A.P. The sooner you can pull the > honey and then put your Apistan, coumaphos or formic in, the better the > chance your hives can pull through winter. Do not put treatment on the > hives with honey supers! > > If your honey is not capped yet, pull it anyway and if at all possible put > in a room with a dehumidifier to bring your moisture level to 17% range so > your honey will not ferment. > > Good Luck! > --Busybee > > mark mierzejewski wrote in message > news:vZZm5.256$u95.602960@news.ntplx.net... > > I have three hives and I never noticed varroa mites in my hive. Of course > > I've used Apstan strip at the regular dosage and time. > > > > Just recently when separating my deeps I accidentally ripped open some > drone > > larvae and noticed 2-4 mites in each capped brood of the larvae. This > made > > me very nervous. > > > > Here in southern New England we have about a month before extracting the > > supers and I was wondering if I should wait to medicate them at that time > or > > if it's a big enough problem that I should do something immediately. I > > don't notice any unusual behavior, nor do I see any on my bees or worker > > larvae. > > > > Obviously I'm only one year into beekeeping and would appreciate any > expert > > advice. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > > Article 26572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uninett.no!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Check+Mite strips and contaminated honey :-( Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:50:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <399973C7.5033A379@uidaho.edu.no.spam> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26572 would suggest you leave this honey with the bees for winter feed, after you somehow mark the super/ frames so as not to extract in the future...then the worst case scenario is just one of eventual varroa resistance to coumaphos, which is inevitable anyways (see the following cross-posting:) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:55:38 +0200 Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Giacomo Omallini Subject: Re: Apivar and resistance in varroa > Coumaphos resistance is now widespread in Italy also. Sviluppo di resistenza ai fosforganici in Varroa Jacobsoni? Summary Adult female Varroa jacobsoni mites were sampled in the province of Reggio Emilia (Northern Italy), where field trials had shown a decreased efficacy of Perizin in some apiaries, and assayed for resistance to coumaphos by using a laboratory test. In some samples, the tolerance at 20 ppm coumaphos was significantly larger than that observed in a reference susceptible population; 1.5% mites of the mites assayed at 50 ppm survived (expected survival in a susceptible population ~ 0.1%), but all the 430 mites assayed at 100-500 ppm died. These data show an increase in the tolerance to coumaphos at least in some apiaries, but do not make it possible to conclude that a small proportion of highly resistant mites is present. Giorgio Della Vedova*,Marco Lodesani**,Norberto Milani* *Dip. di Biologia applicata alla Difesa delle Piante,Università di Udine **Istituto Nazionale di Apicoltura,Bologna. Da l'APE NOSTRA AMICA numero 1 gennaio-febbraio 1997 ----------------------------------------------------------- Giacomo Omallini Apicoltura on line http://www.apicolturaonline.it Article 26573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! My bees are dying! Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:03:07 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 27 Message-ID: <399D340B.2AD7423C@bms.com> References: <399CAA4B.936BA512@nospam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@a049508.syr.pgr.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26573 Move the hive bodies around so the full one is on the bottom. The bees will clean out the empty, smelly one. You will need to feed the heck out of them. See other postings on the sugar:water mixture. I had a hive in a similar state about a month ago. I fed them as much as they would take of some wasted, spilled honey from last year. The hive is doing great now and I might even be able to get a couple of supers off of them from the goldenrod flow that is just starting in the Syracuse, NY area. Keep feeding them and they might build up enough to make it through the winter. Barry wrote: > I live in Vancouver Wa, have 2 hives in 2 different locations. > 1 is fine, the second is not. The bottom of the 2 hive bodies > has no bees at all, the frames are mostly empty, turned dark > brown, and smell bad. The upper hive body is full of bees/honey > etc. My 1 honey super I put on is completely empty, they didn't > even draw out the comb. I know this has been a bad season in my > area so I'm not to worried about no honey, but the 1 hive looks > like it is dying, does this sound familiar to anyone? Am I > dealing with a diseased hive? > > thanks, > Barry Article 26574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: NO-Stretch@SPAM-StretchPhotography.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees fly at night? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:02:21 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <399d2a9d.56782478@news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a6.81 X-Server-Date: 18 Aug 2000 15:02:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26574 In article <399d2a9d.56782478@news.erols.com>, qtxtsrc@yoohoo.cam (Phantom Limb) wrote: > I had a conversation with a co-worker recently about whether bees fly > at night. I said I didn't think so because I thought bees used the > sun for direction. > > Am I right? Wrong? Do bees fly at night? We get a few into our bedroom every few nights or so... it's dark by the time they fly in... they're apparantly attracted by the light. It's thus physically possible for them to fly at night, but whether they know where they're going or not, I have no idea. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 26575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <399D5AF0.142001FA@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much varroa mite in the hive an excess? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:49:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 966613744 24.91.40.243 (Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:49:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:49:04 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26575 Hi Mark, I'm in southern New England too (Franklin, MA). mark mierzejewski wrote: > > I have three hives and I never noticed varroa mites in my hive. Of course > I've used Apstan strip at the regular dosage and time. They're almost guaranteed to be there. The numbers are what matter. > Just recently when separating my deeps I accidentally ripped open some drone > larvae and noticed 2-4 mites in each capped brood of the larvae. This made > me very nervous. Varroa favor drone brood, so you'd almost expect to see some this time of year. > Here in southern New England we have about a month before extracting the We do?! ;-) I've been advised that end of August or first week in Sept is about it if you want time to do Apistan. > supers and I was wondering if I should wait to medicate them at that time or > if it's a big enough problem that I should do something immediately. I > don't notice any unusual behavior, nor do I see any on my bees or worker > larvae. If you have a sticky board (or can get one soon) use that and count the mite drop for 24 or 48 hours. That'll give you a decent estimate. If you've got more than 100 in 48 hours, you may have a problem. Go sit out next to the hive(s) mid-morning and see if you find any deformed-wing or odd-behaving bees near the entrance (or on the ground). If not, and you haven't noticed any other problems, you're probably ok waiting a couple more weeks and see what honey you can get off. If you see bee problems now, it's important to treat sooner to give the bees a chance to raise more healthy brood before winter. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 26576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Overwintering 4frame nucs Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:57:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8njfcr$qun$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 18 13:57:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26576 If anyone has experience succesfully overwintering 4 frame nucleus colonies I'm looking for tips. Specifically wrapping/insulating sides roofs and placement on larger hives. Should they be on the roof of a larger colony or on the inner cover? Or perhaps bunching them into a larger group/block and wrapping them. I will be interested in any and all tips/pointers. -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless swarm? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:21:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8nj2nq$ctj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 18 10:21:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26577 In article , James Kilty wrote: > In article , Greg > writes > >Hello everyone, > > > >I'm hoping someone can help me with a situation I have. Recently I had a > >swarm, I decided to make a new hive out of this swarm. It's been approx. a > >week now and there are no eggs in the new hive, even though it had drawn out > >foundation. How long does it usually take for the queen to start laying? As > >I understand the old queen should have left with the swarm, so she should be > >fertile. > Obviously not. Wait at least another week before expecting any signs. > Allow more if the weather was not good day 3 onwards after the swarm. > (Day 4, 5, 6, 7 (to be sure) for orientating and then mating. So there > need to be about 4 good days after day 3 and another 5 or more to > "incubate". Be patient. > -- > James Kilty Now I'm really confused. What mating? If the old queen left with the swarm, had she not already mated for life? Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!oleane.net!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Graham Read" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: soap Lines: 47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:09:28 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.13.51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 966625759 62.252.13.51 (Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:09:19 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:09:19 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26578 Daniel These recipes were mentioned on this newsgroup a while back, see web pages for full instructions (http://metalab.unc.edu/london/rural-skills/homemade/soapmaking/soapmaking-i nfo-all), and http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/genera l/products/beeswaxsoap.txt Don't know if they're any good... Soap VIII Beeswax Castile 13 oz weight olive oil 2 oz beeswax 1 oz palm oil 2.1 oz lye 1 cup water (8 fluid ounces) (melt the beeswax with the fats) Fat and lye/water temperature about 150 degrees F Tracing time: about 12 minutes FAST! Time in molds: 48 hours Place the soap in a freezer for 3 hours, then remove it from the molds Age: 6 to 8 weeks for the bars to harden Beeswax Soap IX (follow directions at "Soap VIII) 16 oz weight olive oil 2 oz weight beeswax 2.2 oz weight lye 1 cup water (8 fluid ounces) Graham, UK ======================================== Daniel Paden wrote in message news:LqJm5.3262$2l4.59816@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Sorry to intrude on your group, but my bee-keeping stepfather is searching > for a soap recipe that makes use of beeswax. Might any of you learned bee > savants have something that could help him out? > > -- > Dan the Man--If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, > do the other trees make fun of it?-- > > Article 26579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: virgin flight Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:02:08 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8nj3d9$dhd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 966636830 nnrp-10:17349 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26579 In article <8nj3d9$dhd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com writes > How many bees typically accompany a new queen on her mating flight? The world record was from a bee called "Tiny" because the swarm was so small. -- James Kilty Article 26580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:26:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <20000814163341.01512.00000012@ng-fw1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26580 cross-posted for information/discussion purposes: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:43:56 +0100 Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Max Watkins Subject: Re: Apivar and resistance in varroa It seems that there may be a cross-resistance between pytrethroids and amitraz in varroa mites in the USA. Yes, of course Miticure strips WERE effective [several years ago] but that was before the advent of pyrethroid resistance there. The situation could be different in Europe as the mite populations, even the species are probably different from those in the USA. However, there are many cases of apparent amitraz resistance showing up all over Europe. This is not new - there has been amitraz resistance in varroa in Eastern Europe for many years, due to illegal and improper use of the substance. Coumaphos resistance is now widespread in Italy also. If the varroa mite uses similar detoxification mechanisms to get rid of these different pesticides then cross-resistance is a possibility. It has yet to be proven. What it does mean is that Integrated Pest Management for varroa control is even more important now. We need to use a range of techniques and treatments rather than rely on one magic bullet. Dr Max Watkins Vita (Europe) Limited Brook House, Alencon Link Basingstoke, Hants RG21 7RD UK -----Original Message----- Sent: 25 July 2000 14:25 To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Subject: Re: Apivar Hugo Thon wrote: > Apivar has been distributed in Belgium by official bee organizations > since > there are (supposed to be) fluvalinate resistant mites in some parts of > Europe , > i.e in 1998 en 1999. I would add to your post that in the test results i have seen for some unknown reason the mites resistant to fluvalinate have been resistant to amitraz. I find this puzzling as in the U.S. the old "Miticur" (amitraz) strips were very effective against the varroa mites. Bob Harrison Odessa,Missouri Article 26581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! My bees are dying! Date: 18 Aug 2000 13:51:11 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8njf0f$ror$1@campus3.mtu.edu> References: <399CAA4B.936BA512@nospam.com> <399D340B.2AD7423C@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Trace: campus3.mtu.edu 966606671 28443 141.219.67.30 (18 Aug 2000 13:51:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mtu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 2000 13:51:11 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26581 Jesse Hunter wrote: : Move the hive bodies around so the full one is on the bottom. : The bees will clean out the empty, smelly one. You will need to : feed the heck out of them. : Barry wrote: : > I live in Vancouver Wa, have 2 hives in 2 different locations. : > 1 is fine, the second is not. The bottom of the 2 hive bodies : > has no bees at all, the frames are mostly empty, turned dark : > brown, and smell bad. Before doing the reversing, wouldn't it be a good idea to check the dark, smelly frames for evidence of American Foulbrood, or other brood diseases? I've fortunately not had a run-in with foulbrood yet, but isn't a bad smell a symptom of AFB? It should be easy enough to check, just pull out the empty box, and go over the contents one frame at a time looking for foulbrood scale, mummies, and the like. It's better to be sure about these things, after all. If they have AFB, then it's best to eliminate them right away before they infect your second hive. If it is some other disease, then at least removing the heavily-infected box should reduce the severity of the infection, shouldn't it? -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 26582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <399D4264.12D28040@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need wisdom on Bee Stings References: <7U2m5.42480$P4.266941@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com> <8nekf9$9me$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399AE079.43685CEE@azstarnet.com> <8ngr9a$qhc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399C2547.6C987368@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <399C564E.BB518849@midwest.net> <8nj1a9$bdd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:04:20 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 966607334 209.248.4.162 (Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:02:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:02:14 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26582 hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <399C564E.BB518849@midwest.net>, > AL wrote: > > > > > "That which does not kill me will make me stronger" > > Nietzsche > > > > AL :) > > Good'un Al!! Had forgotten that one but it should be a motto for > all beekeepers because there are so many beneficial products in a hive. > > When responding to John I was thinking of one irresponsible and > dangerous suggestion where Nietszche's observation might not apply. > That's where the driver says, "Hold my beer and watch this." LOL > > Herb > Well, those were Bubba's last words and thats a whole other thang... AL Article 26583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sleeping Bee? Message-ID: References: <399D2FB5.E9177107@mathstat.dal.ca> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 19 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:28:09 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:22:06 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26583 My guess is that the bee was deceased. In article <399D2FB5.E9177107@mathstat.dal.ca>, simon@mathstat.dal.ca says... > The other evening, during a walk in a local park, I took a close look at > some wildflowers. Near the centre of a golden rod was a orange-brown > (fuzzy) bee, completely motionless. > > Anyone know what this was? Was it dead? Was it sleeping, away from the > hive? Was it a solitary bee resting for the night? > > > I took a photo of this bee, but it's hard to make out... > > > Simon (non-beekeeper) > > Article 26584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:04:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <399da3ae.2568813@news1.radix.net> References: <399C88FE.3E2414BF@radix.net> <20000817225333.06111.00000044@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.a7.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26584 On 18 Aug 2000 02:53:33 GMT, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: >> We lost amitraz because the mites became immune to it in 3 generations. >> >>beekeep > >We lost Mitac(amitraz) due to class action lawsuit because of queen death.. I >have never heard anyone finding amitraz immune mites. > > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" If that were true why were the cattle strips pulled off the market? Truth is that Tactic was being used also by commercial beekeepers, myself included, and immunity was seen in three years. The stuff had absolutely no effect on the mites. I lost enough hives, I know. Thank God for Maveric. beekeep Article 26585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless swarm? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:56:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8nj2nq$ctj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 966636829 nnrp-10:17349 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26585 In article <8nj2nq$ctj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com writes > Now I'm really confused. What mating? > If the old queen left with the swarm, had she not already mated for >life? > Herb I presumed no eggs was evidence of an unmated queen in the swarm - no old queen. Maybe she couldn't fly and was in the hive when the first virgin emerged and flew off. Indeed we haven't heard of whether there were still eggs in the colony. I have circumstantial (not hard) evidence of a swarm with a virgin queen arriving in an apiary the day after I carefully searched for a lost swarm. I looked in the hive a couple of weeks later and there were several frames of brood in all stages. I can only presume she stayed and the virgin left! She was superseded a few weeks later. -- James Kilty Article 26586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees fly at night? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:04:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <399d2a9d.56782478@news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 966636830 nnrp-10:17349 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26586 In article <399d2a9d.56782478@news.erols.com>, Phantom Limb writes >I had a conversation with a co-worker recently about whether bees fly >at night. I said I didn't think so because I thought bees used the >sun for direction. > >Am I right? Wrong? Do bees fly at night? Only when there is enough UV from the (northern) sun below the horizon in very northerly latitudes. It has been reported in Sweden. Sorry I forget the article I read about it. -- James Kilty Article 26587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: james@datawerks.com (james) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:05:21 GMT Message-ID: <399ddd3d.21660696@news.eburg.com> References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> <8nhkg6$90n$1@news.jump.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.164.113.153 X-Trace: 18 Aug 2000 20:02:47 -0500, 63.164.113.153 Lines: 45 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!local-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!corp.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!63.164.113.153 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26587 Ok, ya got a heck of chuckle out of me on that one!! - On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:14:53 -0700, NO-Stretch@SPAM-StretchPhotography.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > >> >> james wrote in message >> news:399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com... >> > I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all >> > ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it >> > in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... >> > >> > Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life >> > experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are >> > we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of >> > year dependent too. >> > >> > I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of >> > them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in >> > making my decision to start? >> > > >I'm a full time freelance photographer... I travel about 40% of the time. >I also have a hive of bees in my back yard. > >It's a great hobby, and one that requires some time and attention. It's >not overwhelming if you have only one or a few hives. > >My wife is a little tired of the fact that, when I'm travelling and phone >home, I tend to ask about "the girls" before I ask about her (my wife). >;) > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.StretchPhotography.com -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 26588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: james@datawerks.com (james) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:05:56 GMT Message-ID: <399ddd6d.21708925@news.eburg.com> References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> <8nhbgu$pu4$1@campus3.mtu.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.164.113.153 X-Trace: 18 Aug 2000 20:03:24 -0500, 63.164.113.153 Lines: 66 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!feed-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!corp.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!63.164.113.153 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26588 Great info, Thanks!!! On 17 Aug 2000 18:39:26 GMT, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: >james wrote: >: I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all >: ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it >: in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... > >: Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life >: experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are >: we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of >: year dependent too. > >: I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of >: them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in >: making my decision to start? > >OK, I started with three hives last year. They get inspected about every two >weeks during the spring, summer, and fall, at about a half-hour per >inspection. Sticking with medium boxes instead of deeps, the lifting >is not too bad. This year, I harvested around 50 lbs of honey (it wasn't >a particularly good year for the bees to make much of a crop, temps didn't >regularly get above 60 degrees here until the beginning of July). We are still >straining the last of it, time spent on the harvest so far has been about >8 hours (mainly because we were (a) trying to figure out what we were >doing, and (b) working slowly to keep from getting the kitchen all sticky). >Prepping the hives for winter last year took about an hour, and they all >survived, so I must have done *something* right. > >Assembling hive parts has probably been as time-consuming as anything, >at about 2 hours to assemble and paint the woodenware and install the >foundation for a single box (I've been trying to keep at 3 medium brood >boxes and 2 supers per hive, so 15 boxes comes to about 30 hours of >work all told. This has been getting faster as I gained experience, >though). Of course, you can get around this by paying extra for >pre-assembled stuff. > >Oh yes, the electric fence to keep the bears out probably took 4 hours >to build, and takes about a half-hour a month to maintain. > >So, all in all, I'd say the only part that is actually much work is the >harvesting part, everything else so far has been something I could do >either in a bit of time on the weekends, or immediately after work. >You do want to keep an eye on them, though. Don't neglect them for >long periods. I usually go down to have a quick look (not opening any >hives, just observing the traffic) every day or two, just to make sure >they are OK. > >The thing is, I spent probably as much time reading books and articles >about the bees, and making plans for what I would do for various contingencies, >as I have actually out there working with them. If you take the whole >business seriously and make sure you are ready for it, the actual time >and effort committment for just a few hives is no larger than any other >hobby that you take seriously. > >-- >Tim Eisele >tceisele@mtu.edu -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 26589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: james@datawerks.com (james) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:06:55 GMT Message-ID: <399ddd78.21719751@news.eburg.com> References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> <399C37E0.1EBCDA4D@uidaho.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.164.113.153 X-Trace: 18 Aug 2000 20:04:22 -0500, 63.164.113.153 Lines: 45 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!telocity-west!TELOCITY!feed-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!corp.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!63.164.113.153 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26589 I'm in Eastern Washington. The hives are all over the place, but in the middle of large vast fields. I'm having trouble finding out who owns them, and never seem to be happening by when they are in there... bummer. I'll just keep my eye out for them. Thanks! On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:07:12 -0700, Matthew Pollard wrote: >Where are you located? I think the best thing to do is to get to know a >beekeeper in you area and start following them around their hives. That >way you can get a feeling for art of beekeeping. Also, if your local >beekeeper is like me (and many other) they probably have an extra veil so >you can get up close and personal with the ladies. > >Good luck and have fun >Matthew > >james wrote: > >> I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all >> ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it >> in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... >> >> Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life >> experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are >> we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of >> year dependent too. >> >> I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of >> them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in >> making my decision to start? >> >> thanks!!!! >> Mike >> >> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >> -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 26590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: james@datawerks.com (james) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:07:32 GMT Message-ID: <399dddba.21785305@news.eburg.com> References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> <8nhkg6$90n$1@news.jump.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.164.113.153 X-Trace: 18 Aug 2000 20:05:00 -0500, 63.164.113.153 Lines: 56 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.68.178!local-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!corp.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!63.164.113.153 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26590 Again, very helpful. Thanks! I guess I'm on the road to bees (won't my wife be thrilled!! hehehehe) On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:15:20 -0500, "CharlesW" wrote: > I just started keeping bees back around the first of May. I started with >one established colony bought from a local beekeeper, and now have four full >hives plus a nice 3-frame observation hive I have built in my house and >populated with a small swarm I caught. (Five colonies total) > I too have read everything I can get my hands on, and have become totally >adicted to my bees. Have you heard of a "football widow"? Well, my wife is >at times, claims to be a "beekeeping widow". (Don't get me wrong, she likes >the bees too, has her own gear, and helps when she can.) I have spent a >great deal of time building equipment, reading and, since 3 of the colonies >are in our back yard, I observe them regularly. > I believe, that a casual hobbist beekeeper can probably spend relatively >little time keeping 2-3 hives of bees. Once you have all your equipment and >the colonies are well established, you could probably get away with an >inspection every 2 weeks or so. More during the honeyflow to assure >adequate storage space is available to the bees. Less during the winter. >Truth be known you can probably spend a whole lot less time with bees than >you would a dog! But, the moment you become a "bee dork" like myself, and >wanting to do more with the bees, your time will quickly get used!!! > > >james wrote in message >news:399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com... >> I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all >> ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it >> in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... >> >> Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life >> experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are >> we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of >> year dependent too. >> >> I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of >> them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in >> making my decision to start? >> >> thanks!!!! >> Mike >> >> >> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >> -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 26591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sleeping Bee? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:46:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8nkot1$cea$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399D2FB5.E9177107@mathstat.dal.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.157 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 19 01:46:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.157 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26591 I've seen bumblebees take a siesta before. Was it possibly a red-tailed bumblebee? They're quite smaller than the A10 warthog size ones. the red would be on the top of his butt. mike In article , Peter Amschel wrote: > My guess is that the bee was deceased. > > In article <399D2FB5.E9177107@mathstat.dal.ca>, simon@mathstat.dal.ca > says... > > The other evening, during a walk in a local park, I took a close look at > > some wildflowers. Near the centre of a golden rod was a orange-brown > > (fuzzy) bee, completely motionless. > > > > Anyone know what this was? Was it dead? Was it sleeping, away from the > > hive? Was it a solitary bee resting for the night? > > > > > > I took a photo of this bee, but it's hard to make out... > > > > > > Simon (non-beekeeper) > > > > > > -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 19 Aug 2000 03:42:18 GMT References: <399da3ae.2568813@news1.radix.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000818234218.26935.00000009@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26592 >If that were true why were the cattle strips pulled off the market? >Truth is that Tactic was being used also by commercial beekeepers, >myself included, and immunity was seen in three years. The stuff had >absolutely no effect on the mites. I lost enough hives, I know. >Thank God for Maveric. > >beekeep > > > Well I haven't seen any resistance in eight years, but recently Maverick has failed completely. I'm hoping that more natural ways will be found. Systemic essential oils looks promising and I am looking forward to trying thymol. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: NO-Stretch@SPAM-StretchPhotography.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:09:36 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> <399C37E0.1EBCDA4D@uidaho.edu> <399ddd78.21719751@news.eburg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a6.e0 X-Server-Date: 19 Aug 2000 13:09:51 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26593 In article <399ddd78.21719751@news.eburg.com>, james@datawerks.com (james) wrote: > I'm in Eastern Washington. The hives are all over the place, but in > the middle of large vast fields. I'm having trouble finding out who > owns them, and never seem to be happening by when they are in there... > bummer. I'll just keep my eye out for them. Thanks! Why not write a note, put it in a sealed plastic bag, and place it on top of a hive with a stone on it (to keep the note from blowing away). Slowly walk up from the back of the hives, be gentle with your placement, and you shouldn't have a problem. Don't kick 'em by accident! Or... call your local ag extension office... or call the sheriff's office, etc... they may have a beekeeper on call for swarm collection. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 26594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: loseing swarms. Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:05:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <8nm0lo$lfl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <2991-399E4190-118@storefull-158.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.104.161 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 19 13:05:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 64.12.104.161 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26594 In article <2991-399E4190-118@storefull-158.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, tm-po@webtv.net (veris) wrote: > > --WebTV-Mail-8788-6011 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Hello all. > i'm from northeast ark.and i have real problems with getting bees to > stay here. > i have been keeping bees on and off for > about 21 years.When i lived in northern > illinois i had good luck with my bees and > harvested 120 pounds from one hive in a single season once.but here in > the ozark > foothills of north east ark. i have not had > much luck at the hobby of beekeeping. > they just dont make very much honey and > they eventually just leave without a trace. > its not mites or disease,ruled that out.nor > is it farm chemicals or pesticides.seeing as this is not farm country > but ranch country.i have tried to keep both italian and caucasion > varietys but have the same results with both.the hives just dont seem to > be able to make enough honey to properly winter over on.and they > eventually just keep getting smaller and smaller in number each year > untill they are gone.usually three years is the limit here.i've never > had a hive to make it past three years old without loseing them.could > someone give me some imput here. > thanks veris > Veris, my first reaction was that your bees don't want to stay in Bill Clinton's state. Second thought was that it could be the drought, because we have had very bad honey production this summer - but you said this has been an on-going problem for several years. Are other beekeepers there having similar problems? Can you find out what the land was used for before you arrived? Maybe there is some lingering odor undetectable to humans that the bees don't like. Fascinating problem. I hope someone here can help you solve it. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees fly at night? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:33:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8nm2au$n86$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399d2a9d.56782478@news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.104.161 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 19 13:33:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 64.12.104.161 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26595 In article <399d2a9d.56782478@news.erols.com>, qtxtsrc@yoohoo.cam (Phantom Limb) wrote: > I had a conversation with a co-worker recently about whether bees fly > at night. I said I didn't think so because I thought bees used the > sun for direction. > > Am I right? Wrong? Do bees fly at night? > > Thanks in advance. > As Stretch said, we know it is possible for them to fly at night when they are attracted to lights. I read somewhere that Africanized bees start earlier and work later than Europeans, and will even continue to work at night if the moon is full, or nearly so. Therefore, I would guess that whether worker bees fly at night is dictated by the hive's need for pollen and nectar, and the availability of those items. In other words they will fly at night if they have to. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <399E77C2.CAD020F8@crosslink.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:04:19 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bacillus Thuringiensis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn22.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 966700396 26176 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26596 I read in another post about this stuff for wax moths. The post talked about allot of different things for wax moth cures. But this one had no side effects,,the question is has anyone tried it, and how should it be applied? I can get the stuff from my local hardware store, distributed by Dragon co. under the name Thuricide. The listed ingredients is Bacillus Thuringiensis .8% and 99.2% inert. What do you think?????? Article 26597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tm-po@webtv.net (veris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding a queen Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 02:57:35 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 34 Message-ID: <2993-399E3DEF-16@storefull-158.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8ncst6$aet$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1463-1387 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQOjQtccuLSSRlMQU3Dsc7UwpDSSwIVAK1eLM4fBy8ZFXKD9dBG6VGAnsI/ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26597 --WebTV-Mail-1463-1387 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit howdy pete. no i live in the hills north of pocahontas. i'm just beginning to think there just aint enough for them to make honey from here.no wild fruit trees or locust or gardens.all timber of the oak variety.people dont farm up this way.its all ranch country.the bees will stay as long as i supplement their food like feeding sugar syrup.but if i dont do that year round i lose them eventually.thanks for your imput veris. --WebTV-Mail-1463-1387 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-1463-1387-- Article 26598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tm-po@webtv.net (veris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: loseing swarms. Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 03:13:04 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 46 Message-ID: <2991-399E4190-118@storefull-158.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-8788-6011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRvD2Kl+tG0w1AHsCvzHrv/QCUMkQIUOrIa4wHuCyNCUE8s1iWpunbKWoU= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26598 --WebTV-Mail-8788-6011 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hello all. i'm from northeast ark.and i have real problems with getting bees to stay here. i have been keeping bees on and off for about 21 years.When i lived in northern illinois i had good luck with my bees and harvested 120 pounds from one hive in a single season once.but here in the ozark foothills of north east ark. i have not had much luck at the hobby of beekeeping. they just dont make very much honey and they eventually just leave without a trace. its not mites or disease,ruled that out.nor is it farm chemicals or pesticides.seeing as this is not farm country but ranch country.i have tried to keep both italian and caucasion varietys but have the same results with both.the hives just dont seem to be able to make enough honey to properly winter over on.and they eventually just keep getting smaller and smaller in number each year untill they are gone.usually three years is the limit here.i've never had a hive to make it past three years old without loseing them.could someone give me some imput here. thanks veris --WebTV-Mail-8788-6011 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-8788-6011-- Article 26599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cool Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:44:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.91.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 966703474 24.66.91.109 (Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:44:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:44:34 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26599 Well the queen in the swarm hive has finally started to lay. So now there are no eggs in the hive she left. Thats no worry, the weather has been kinda bad ever since the swarm, and I presume the virgin queen hasn't been able to go on a mating flight yet. Greg Article 26600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees arriving in Canada on transport trucks and ships Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:06:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8nlt79$i7v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399C21EA.2516C06C@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.47 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 19 12:06:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.47 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26600 In article <399C21EA.2516C06C@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, John Edwards wrote: > Interesting ..... one line in this article caught my eye - > "Mating African killer bees with European bees improves their disposition but > after four or five > years the African variety again becomes dominant." > Anybody care to comment on this ????? > - John Edwards > That line caught my eye too, John, because the time period seems too long. Also the article doesn't say what kind of mating took place. Didn't recent research at your lab (for which all beekeepers should be grateful BTW), discover that mating European drones to Africanized queens improved the disposition of the bees? My gut feeling is that if we continued that kind of mating the African variety would not become dominant again. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: virgin flight Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:23:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8nm1o6$ml0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8nj3d9$dhd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.104.161 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 19 13:23:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 64.12.104.161 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26601 In article , James Kilty wrote: > In article <8nj3d9$dhd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com writes > > How many bees typically accompany a new queen on her mating flight? > The world record was from a bee called "Tiny" because the swarm was so > small. > -- > James Kilty > So how many bees did Tiny have with her? Maybe my small bunch beat her record! Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Aug 2000 18:45:14 GMT References: <399E77C2.CAD020F8@crosslink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis Message-ID: <20000819144514.03927.00000085@ng-mf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26602 With all pesticides the label is the law. If it is not labeled for use on combs then legally you can't use it. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!xfer13.netnews.com!xfe11.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees fly at night? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:10:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <399ea209.1974819@news1.radix.net> References: <399d2a9d.56782478@news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26603 On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:23:38 GMT, qtxtsrc@yoohoo.cam (Phantom Limb) wrote: >I had a conversation with a co-worker recently about whether bees fly >at night. I said I didn't think so because I thought bees used the >sun for direction. > >Am I right? Wrong? Do bees fly at night? > >Thanks in advance. They don't fly to forage but they will take flight at night to attack. They probably see quite well at close range at night as it is dark inside the hive all the time. Bumble bees on the other hand will forage at night. How they navigate I do not know. A few years back when i was open feeding the bees they kept showing up earlier and earlier. I gave up trying to outsmart them when they were showing up at 2:00 am. Being underground bees they like to burrow around and it was quite a feeling to have them crawing around inside your shirt! They never stung but it was still an earie feeling. beekeep Article 26604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0406.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Check+Mite strips and contaminated honey :-( Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:40:39 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9cotpsgo3liat2qq4pm56gldfv6gmhvirl@4ax.com> References: <399973C7.5033A379@uidaho.edu.no.spam> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0406.nts-online.net (216.167.132.151) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 966714036 9389360 216.167.132.151 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26604 >NO PROBLEM, eat the honey yourself! The EPA just saved the day for you and >others by establishing tolerances for coumaphos in honey and beeswax. Now >it's "okay" for there to be coumaphos in honey. A little bit won't hurt >anyone. Wow, what timing for your sake. Yeah no problem..the EPA and the USDA really have your best interest at heart. Just keep using that stuff and eat as much of that honey as you like. Why not sell it to someone too. C.K. Article 26605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-209-138-167-176-phnx.grid.net!user From: NO-Stretch@SPAM-StretchPhotography.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees fly at night? Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:09:49 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <399d2a9d.56782478@news.erols.com> <8nm2au$n86$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a7.b0 X-Server-Date: 19 Aug 2000 20:10:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26605 In article <8nm2au$n86$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > I read somewhere that Africanized > bees start earlier and work later than Europeans, and will even > continue to work at night if the moon is full, or nearly so. It says this in The Hive and the Honey Bee. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 26606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <399E77C2.CAD020F8@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis Lines: 27 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:42:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 966735728 12.72.50.7 (Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:42:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:42:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26606 My limited understanding of bt is there are different bt's and each is only effective against a given host. So the bt you buy at the hardware store may be very good at controlling tomato hornworms but completely ineffective against the wax moth. The best control of wax moths which also has no side-effects is to maintain strong colonies. They are an opportunistic pest and a strong colony deals with them handsomely on their own. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "L.E.G." wrote in message news:399E77C2.CAD020F8@crosslink.net... > I read in another post about this stuff for wax moths. The post > talked about allot of different things for wax moth cures. But this one > had no side effects,,the question is has anyone tried it, and how should > it be applied? I can get the stuff from my local hardware store, > distributed by Dragon co. under the name Thuricide. The listed > ingredients is Bacillus Thuringiensis .8% and 99.2% inert. > What do you think?????? > Article 26607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! My bees are dying! Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 14 Message-ID: <24234-399F41CC-5@storefull-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <399CAA4B.936BA512@nospam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRBFp0kmrq/pDh+3xTfbjAW0lcUdAIUDjUEMI+d4bjLmj8nFQol9jCigv8= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26607 Check for American Foulbrood and check to see if your hive is queenright. Start fall treaments soon. You may also want to check with Ruhl Bee over in Portland. Tory should be able to help you. My season in the Battleground area was good. Two full mediums of blackberry honey on each of two hives. Hank Mishima Fairview OR To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 26608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Extractor Purchase Advice Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <29259-399F472B-71@storefull-108.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAgiBuE7wSrsQCBGJm6IMvUoVsV7YCFQCJQ5ap6GucHRhtrCfdYt7McxEzDg== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26608 I used the Lega 9 frame extractor for about 10 supers of honey this year. Italian made, clear top, in you price range from numerous suppliers, and a breeze to clean. Hank Mishima Fairview OR To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 26609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Aug 2000 12:04:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000820080415.07186.00000569@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26609 Dave Green clued me in to a trick with wax moths. Beat on the frame with a hive tool like driving a small nail. The wax moths abandon ship in about 30 seconds of tapping. Won't do a thing for eggs but it's pretty neat to drop the caterpillars on the ground and let the wasps have them. I saw a neat thing in Wally Mart they have yellow jacket traps with a yellow jacket attractant perhaps a pheremone. Now I was thinking of a bug zapper with the attractant instead of the lamp- - - Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Extractor Purchase Advice Message-ID: <39a008a1.176286731@news.usit.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 51 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:40:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.237 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 966789704 216.80.168.237 (Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:41:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:41:44 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26610 I have the 9 frame compact extractor from brushy mt. they had it for 200.00 even + tx. I extracted 60 qts with it. You don't have to flip frames just crank in opposite direction. will sling 9 frames in 5 to 10 min. depending on speed. On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:57:00 -0700, "Scott Franklin" wrote: >I have a hive of Bees. This is their first year of producing and last >weekend I rented an extractor from a local beekeeping place. I've decided >that I can afford an extractor but I would like to get a better quality >extractor than the one I rented. I've seen different types out there but >I'm uncertain as to which will meet my needs as well as be an effective >product. I will list my needs and my preferences, If anyone knows of an >extractor that will meet all or most of my needs and preference please leave >a post with cost, where I can by it and what requirements it fulfills. > >What I need / prefer is: > >1. at least a 2 - 3 frame extractor that can hold 30 - 50 lbs of honey. > >2. Hand Powered or motorized (doesn't matter too much but motorized might >be better) > >3. I have heard about extractors that do not need to have the frames >removed and flipped, this sounds like a good option. > >4. I have seen extractors that have clear plastic lids instead of metal. I >like this option an would prefer plastic to metal on the lid. > >5. I found that the extractor I rented had a 1 - 2" lip on the inside for >the drainage spout so I needed to tilt the extractor to remove additional >honey. I would greatly like an extractor that has no lip on the inside so I >do not need to tilt the extractor to remove the honey from the container. > >6. As light weight as possible and easily washable. > >7. A secure and easy to open an close drainage spout. On the extractor I >rented it did not seal fully and I needed to twist it open while holding a >jar underneath to catch dripping honey as I was working to open the spout. > >8. Price range preferred $200 - $400. If possible. But please list all >prices of more expensive extractors that meet more of the above >requirements. I may forgo price as a need compared to fulfilling the above >requirements. > > >Thanks for your advice and help > > Article 26611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Low activity at one hive Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:43:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26611 Hi, I have three hives and I am a second year beekeeper. Two of the hives have about the same number of bees coming and going, but one of the hives (which used to be the strongest) has lately had less activity at the entrance than the other two. I inspected it last week & there are eggs and a reasonably good laying pattern. Is there any reason for concern? Also, the queens will be two years old next spring. Should I requeen? If so, when is the best time? Thanks, Rodney ************* Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net Article 26612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Russian Queens Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:05:16 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8npq1d$bui$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p120.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 966814573 12242 203.96.192.120 (20 Aug 2000 23:36:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 2000 23:36:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26612 Greetings All this was sent to me I assume many of you already know of this regards carman >U.S. Honey Bee Colonies Defended Against Tiny Mite >W A S H I N G T O N, Aug. 13 < Swarms of hardy Russian queen >bees are to >be used in a desperate battle to defeat tiny blood-sucking mites which >are devastating North America¹s honey bee colonies. "The situation in >America is extremely serious," Thomas Rinderer, honey bee research >leader for the U.S. > >Agriculture Department¹s Agricultural Research Service, said today. "If >left untreated, beekeepers would lose all of their colonies within a >year," he said. Though only about one-sixteenth-of-an-inch in size, >varroa mites can destroy a hive of tens of thousands of bees in as >little as six months. Besides producing honey, bees also pollinate an >estimated $8 to $10 billion worth of farm crops including apples and >zucchini. >Torn Through the Population >In response to the epidemic, the Agriculture Department signed an >agreement this month with bee breeder Steven Bernard of Breaux, La., >to >raise hundreds of Russian honey bee queens this fall and winter. >Russian >honeybees are twice as resistant to attacks by varroa mites, which have > >torn through the domestic honey bee population. "If this resistance >proves constant, beekeepers may in some cases be able to reduce, if >not >eliminate, miticide treatments by relying on the Russian bees," Rinderer >said. "With these bees, beekeepers will be able to breathe a little bit >easier." The bees will be available for sale to U.S. beekeepers early >next year. The beekeepers will use the queens to produce more queens >for >populating hives with mite-resistant offspring. These offspring will be >fathered by male bees, or drones, from the American hives. >Malcolm Bullard, a 22-year beekeeper in Pensacola, Fla., with 600 >hives, >said although his state is one of the hardest hit by the mites, he >remains optimistic that the honeybees will survive in the end. > >"This is an ongoing, continuous, never-to-end problem," Bullard said. >"It will be controlled because if it isn¹t, we won¹t have any food on >the table < and that can never happen." < Article 26613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Low activity at one hive Message-ID: <39a07bd5.205783639@news.usit.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:52:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 966819235 216.80.168.166 (Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:53:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:53:55 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26613 Have you put on medications? Apistan strips, menthol, and foulbrood med. On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:43:13 -0500, "Rodney Isom" wrote: >Hi, > >I have three hives and I am a second year beekeeper. Two of the hives have >about the same number of bees coming and going, but one of the hives (which >used to be the strongest) has lately had less activity at the entrance than >the other two. I inspected it last week & there are eggs and a reasonably >good laying pattern. Is there any reason for concern? > >Also, the queens will be two years old next spring. Should I requeen? If >so, when is the best time? > >Thanks, >Rodney > >************* >Rodney Isom >Arab, AL >rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net > > Article 26614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: too late to super Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:07:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8nrgjg$h91$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 21 15:07:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26614 Hi there, first year new england beekeeper...tons of bees - really active - finally I have the three brood chambers about full...it is too late in the year to add a super? or should I be worried about doing my disease prevention stuff instead. At what point in the fall should I be doing the disease prevention? Thanks Ron Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive placement Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:58:58 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <39A42D01.A9AFAD5D@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26649 james@datawerks.com (james) wrote: >How crucial is it to place your hives in a permanent spot? I'm just >getting started in this, don't even have my hives yet, but... I have >one spot picked out, but due to farming activity next season, it may >turn out to be less desirable. > >I've recalled hearing about this 3'/3mile rule (?), I assume that has >something to do with whether its good to move them or not? About how >long after the hive is established do you want to wait before moving >hives. From my experience, the "3 feet or 3 mile" rule is a bit of overkill. I've moved hives between locations that are probably less than 2 miles apart and not had problems with the bees returning. I've also moved hives a bit more than 3 feet and as long as there were no other hives around, the bees found their way in. Perhaps others will have different experiences with this. This whole issue has to do with the way the bees orient themselves to their hive location, and then seem to know when the hive has been moved a great distance that they need to re-orient themselves. I don't know what the minimum "establishment time" is for a hive, and I've never tried to find out, but I've heard about a week is enough. > >I realize that its probably not desirable to move them at all, but >some things aren't in our hands. I'm just trying to cover all my p's >and q's now, months before setting up. I'm a hobby beekeeper and I move a few of my hives every year for pollination. I can say that moving the hives is hard work. Also it seems to set the bees back a bit on honey production, as compared to a stationary hive. But, as you said, some things aren't in our hands, and you should have a plan for moving your hive if the occasion arises. Paul Article 26650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Nabuchodonosor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eucalyptus Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:35:47 +0200 Organization: Girgols Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8o3bva$gpt$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: atuileries-101-1-3-20.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 967127850 17213 193.251.48.20 (24 Aug 2000 14:37:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2000 14:37:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26650 I information retrieval on microbiology and pathology concerning the eucalyptus... to send : mac7@mixmail.com -- Ne mourrez pas sans découvrir que vous avez du talent ;-} Article 26651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Disappearing Bees Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:06:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8o3ejf$d4b$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39A3CB5B.6FEA7E00@hardynet.com> <39A41788.AD853EF4@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-222.florida.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 967130543 13451 62.137.60.222 (24 Aug 2000 15:22:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2000 15:22:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26651 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:39A41788.AD853EF4@nospam.boeing.com... > > It's due to the varroa mite. Is this a disease? Yes, I think so. Disease is dis-ease, although we may not usually think of infestations as diseases. Article 26652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Writerscape.com is the Premier Written Works Exchange Http://www.writerscape.com 6349 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:11:29 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8o42s0$cc42@news.vtx.ch> References: <3_Mo5.24837$J35.140964@news.flash.net> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-4-p03.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26652 a écrit dans le message : 3_Mo5.24837$J35.140964@news.flash.net... > WWW.Writerscape.com is the Premier Written Works Exchange > for Writers, Publishers, Script Buyers and Agents. Revolutionizing the writing world. > hkbvhpcdnwridwrowdjnjgpdsr > Article 26653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8nru7p$2cn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Observation Hive Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:50:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 967164648 24.13.215.128 (Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:50:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:50:48 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26653 Bees are not cold blooded...they generate their own heat, not absorbe the ambient heat of their environment...hence the 80+ degree temperatures hives in the middle of a freezing winter.. Scot Allen Dick wrote in message news:8nru7p$2cn$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > > > She has about 50 bees in with her...The frames are wooden with > new beeswax-coated plastic foundations ... If they don't start building > comb soon. I guess they will all eventually perish as those 50 bees > aren't going to live forever. < < < > > I think that the problem is that 50 bees are just not enough to do much > of anything. > > You need more bees. Bees are cold blooded, and -- unless they have a > critical minimum number -- cannot get their mass up to nest > temperature. A cupful is about the minimum that is viable. > > Also consider that the bees you have may not be in the right condition > to make wax. It takes young bees gorged with nectar or syrup to make > good combs, and there have to be enough bees to generate some warmth. > > The fact that they are on foundation does not help. Some drawn comb to > get started on would be a huge boost. If you plan to keep them on > foundation, then double or triple the above suggested amount, and, even > then, don't expect much unless the bees are really young and healthy > and you have a good flow of nectar and pollen. > > allen > --- > A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > Package bees, winter loss, fondant, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, > unwrapping, splitting, raising queens, AFB, varroa, protein patties, > moving bees, pollination experiences, daily mumblings and more... > Thousands served... > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39A42D01.A9AFAD5D@ims.com> Subject: Re: Hive placement Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <3Gjp5.22072$65.225660@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:08:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 967165695 24.13.215.128 (Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:08:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:08:15 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26654 The trick to moving hives between the 3ft 3 mile rule is to change the orientation of the hive as well, so that a south facing hive is now east facing or visa versa...When the bees leave the hive in the morning they will be quite aware of the sun's new position...if the hive is oriented the same as in the old location, the sun's position clue in the bees right away and they might not realize in time their hive has moved, and end up in the old location. Changing the compass orientation of the hive and moving the hive at night is the key. This also works to save more bees during the long moves too. Scot Paul Petty wrote in message news:39A42D01.A9AFAD5D@ims.com... > > james@datawerks.com (james) wrote: > > >How crucial is it to place your hives in a permanent spot? I'm just > >getting started in this, don't even have my hives yet, but... I have > >one spot picked out, but due to farming activity next season, it may > >turn out to be less desirable. > > > >I've recalled hearing about this 3'/3mile rule (?), I assume that has > >something to do with whether its good to move them or not? About how > >long after the hive is established do you want to wait before moving > >hives. > From my experience, the "3 feet or 3 mile" rule is a bit of overkill. > I've moved hives between locations that are probably less than 2 miles > apart and not had problems with the bees returning. I've also moved > hives a bit more than 3 feet and as long as there were no other hives > around, the bees found their way in. Perhaps others will have different > experiences with this. This whole issue has to do with the way the bees > orient themselves to their hive location, and then seem to know when the > hive has been moved a great distance that they need to re-orient > themselves. I don't know what the minimum "establishment time" is for a > hive, and I've never tried to find out, but I've heard about a week is > enough. > > > >I realize that its probably not desirable to move them at all, but > >some things aren't in our hands. I'm just trying to cover all my p's > >and q's now, months before setting up. > I'm a hobby beekeeper and I move a few of my hives every year for > pollination. I can say that moving the hives is hard work. Also it > seems to set the bees back a bit on honey production, as compared to a > stationary hive. But, as you said, some things aren't in our hands, and > you should have a plan for moving your hive if the occasion arises. > > Paul > > Article 26655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <399E77C2.CAD020F8@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: Bacillus Thuringiensis Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:41:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.37 X-Complaints-To: residential-security@team.look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 967171280 209.212.62.37 (Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:41:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:41:20 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26655 Just catching up, sorry to be late. The BT available in hardware stores is not formulated for wax moth and won't work. Wax Moth BT is made by Certan, fairly expensive sold by us, treats 120 frames. It is the only biological larvaecide available which won't harm you, your honey or the bees, used on stored frames or before use in the hive. Please contact us privately for more info. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com admin@beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "L.E.G." wrote in message news:399E77C2.CAD020F8@crosslink.net... > I read in another post about this stuff for wax moths. The post > talked about allot of different things for wax moth cures. But this one > had no side effects,,the question is has anyone tried it, and how should > it be applied? I can get the stuff from my local hardware store, > distributed by Dragon co. under the name Thuricide. The listed > ingredients is Bacillus Thuringiensis .8% and 99.2% inert. > What do you think?????? > Article 26656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bigdude3211@aol.com (BigDude3211) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 2000 03:01:14 GMT References: <39A1B35D.3A752FCF@hardynet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000824230114.16021.00001352@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26656 Real Skeps have been outlawed in the US for many years. It is to difficult to detect the presence of diseases, or perform basic management functions. Article 26657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.135.73!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive placement Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:56:17 -0500 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <39A42D01.A9AFAD5D@ims.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.135.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 967175775 10458295 216.167.135.73 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26657 Hi, about your concerns on moving hives, in my experience (25 yr.) it doesn't matter about moving them or how far, just move them where you need and forget about it. Saying that however I will agree that moving them sets them back and is undesirable. If you have to move several hives to a new place and it is near the end of the season, moving them can bring on a lot of robbing and subsequent destruction of the weaker hives. I don't use the usual entrance at the bottom but attach a fixed bottom board with 4 inch legs to the bottom of a standard brood body, this always allows plenty of clearance between the ground and the hive, plus it's always screwed on and stays put. The only entrance then to each hive is a small slit just under the hand hold notch, 3 inches by 3/8th inch. (76 X 9.6 mm) And around here that's as big as it gets. Nonetheless, even an entrance that small can quickly be overwhelmed by a stronger hive. I always cover all the entrances to the smaller hives with a thin plywood (4mm) 'plate' that has a 3/8 inch hole. This allows the weakest hives to defend themselves against the strongest attackers. Haven't lost a hive from robbing in a long time. C.K. - Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain Article 26658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.twtelecom.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39A42D01.A9AFAD5D@ims.com> <3Gjp5.22072$65.225660@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Subject: Re: Hive placement Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:12:54 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <39a5f215$0$5559@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 967176725 5559 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26658 Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > The trick to moving hives between the 3ft 3 mile rule is to change the > orientation of the hive as well, so that a south facing hive is now east > facing or visa versa...When the bees leave the hive in the morning they will > be quite aware of the sun's new position... Are you saying that I could move a hive only, say, 1 mile...and as long as I changed the orientation of the hive, they'd have to re-orient themselves and in the process learn their new location? So no (or few) field bees would be lost? Article 26659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:23:39 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 967217207 147.226.103.42 (Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:26:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:26:47 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26659 A health food store wants to buy honey from me to resell. I am unclear on how much to price my product for. I do know that quarts of honey in glass jars will be priced at least $8.00 at this store. I told store over phone price for quarts would be $5.50. Is an approximate 50% gross margin enough for this store to obtain in your opinion? I really have a lot of expense, sweat and labor in producing my crop and do not want to sell too cheap. Thanks, Dale, Indiana Article 26660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:46:36 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26660 Dale Scheidler wrote: : A health food store wants to buy honey from me to resell. I am unclear : on how much to price my product for. I do know that quarts of honey in : glass jars will be priced at least $8.00 at this store. I told store : over phone price for quarts would be $5.50. Is an approximate 50% gross : margin enough for this store to obtain in your opinion? I really have a : lot of expense, sweat and labor in producing my crop and do not want to : sell too cheap. : Thanks, : Dale, Indiana Sure, from what I understand most places are happy with a gross margin of more like 25% or less. Of course, their profit margin isn't your problem, as many folks in this group have pointed out over the years. Figure out how much it actually costs you, in time, equipment, and supplies, to produce that quart of honey, and set your price accordingly. Let them worry about their own profit margin, your problem is to make sure that *you* don't take a bath on the deal. (I've been figuring that a price of about $4 a quart is about breakeven for me, because I'm a hobbyist, don't have the economies of scale on my side, and the cool, dry weather this summer kept me down to about 30 lbs per hive. To actually *make* money, your price of $5.50 sounds about right). -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 26661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!v06bfw From: v06bfw@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Bryn Ford Wood) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cold weather Date: 25 Aug 2000 17:54:02 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8o6brq$arg$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: plato.ucs.mun.ca X-Trace: coranto.ucs.mun.ca 967226042 11120 134.153.2.151 (25 Aug 2000 17:54:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mun.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 2000 17:54:02 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26661 -- Article 26662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!xxxx1.sei.cmu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner Bumble Bee Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:29:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8o690n$bpq$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.connecticut.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 967223127 12090 62.137.58.105 (25 Aug 2000 17:05:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 2000 17:05:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26662 Do you really mean bumble bees? Beekeepers usually keep honeybees - although they may be interested in bumble bees. I do not know of any clubs/associations/bumble bee keepers in this country as bumble bees are normally only bred for pollination. If you do mean bumble bees then he may be interested a book 'The Humble-Bee' by FWL Sladen; this was recently reprinted by Logaston Press and is a classic. The world leaders in bumble bee production for glasshouse pollination are a Dutch company called Koppert http://www.koppert.nl and there was a very good article about them in the Spring 2000 issue of the magazine 'Bee Biz' (available from Northern Bee Books). If you mean honeybees then there are plenty of beekeepers and local associations in the South West, especially Devon. Let us know where you are located and we can put you in touch. "Errol Chevannes" wrote in message news:VVZl5.5649$pR4.116585@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com... > Hello all > My dad's interested in breeding bumble bees. > He lives in the South West, UK and wants to find some local > clubs/associations/bumble bee keepers to help him get started. > Is there anyone out there that can help? Please.... > > Thank You > Faith > > > Article 26663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 2000 20:15:04 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000825161504.25856.00000413@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26663 I find that the price of honey is a regional issue. What we get per pound on the East coast would be diffferent on the West coast or Midwest. What I do is to check the price of cheep honey per pound at a local supermaket and then wholesale it to the health food store at that price. I find that heath food stores gouge people price wise. So why should we small beekeepers be the one to be on the loosing end. Regards, Ralph Harrison Article 26664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Aug 2000 21:49:58 GMT References: <39A3E6B8.509DC0D9@mwci.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Apicure Class action suit Message-ID: <20000825174958.12393.00000577@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26664 >Just purchased 100 packets from Lapp's Bee >Supply and not one was leaking. As for the nails rotting away, hope you have some spare queens... Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 26665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <967286329.13440.0.nnrp-02.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Regular inspections: queen-cups. Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:01:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.71 X-Complaints-To: residential-security@team.look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 967323683 209.212.62.71 (Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:01:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:01:23 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26665 Are you sure that they are viable queen cells, with larvae in them? You'll often find what we call 'pretend cells', started out from the bottom of a frame, but provided they don't get used there should be no need to remove them. There are strains of bees which seem to delight in swarming, if the cells are used and have larvae in them, then I would be looking to give them more brood space. You're invited to visit our web site, 'Hints & Tips' has a lot of details regarding swarming and it's causes.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com admin@beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "John Waites" wrote in message news:967286329.13440.0.nnrp-02.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk... > Hi all, > > I have carried out weekly inspections of my three hives throughout the > summer, and am still removing a half dozen or so queen-cups from each hive, > even now in late August. At what point can I safely stop doing these weekly > inspections and stop removing these cells..... I plan to take the honey off > next weekend... > > Why are the still making these cells so late on in the season? > > Many yhanks for any ideas > > Paul. > > Article 26666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.130!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!waites.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "John Waites" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Regular inspections: queen-cups. Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:31:56 +0100 Message-ID: <967286329.13440.0.nnrp-02.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: waites.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: waites.demon.co.uk:194.222.32.70 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 967286329 nnrp-02:13440 NO-IDENT waites.demon.co.uk:194.222.32.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26666 Hi all, I have carried out weekly inspections of my three hives throughout the summer, and am still removing a half dozen or so queen-cups from each hive, even now in late August. At what point can I safely stop doing these weekly inspections and stop removing these cells..... I plan to take the honey off next weekend... Why are the still making these cells so late on in the season? Many yhanks for any ideas Paul. Article 26667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Disappearing Bees Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Aug 2000 22:35:50 GMT References: <39A3CB5B.6FEA7E00@hardynet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000826183550.17098.00000527@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26667 From: pixi pixi@hardynet.com >How much of the cause of vanishing honeybees is due to disease and how >much to insecticide? If it is mainly insecticide why hasn't it hurt >bumble bees and other flying insects. It's a combination of factors, but pesticide misuse is one of the basic ones, and it does affect ALL bees. Bumblebees are hard to find in cotton country, for example. Most people don't realize how insecticides impact bees. The problem is not so often that someone sprayed a hive or bumblebee nest, but that someone sprayed blossoms that these bees were visiting. This is a violation of the label instructions, but it happens a lot. Aerial applications for mosquitoes, in violation of label directions (while bees are visiting flowers), were common along the east coast last year. These killed both honeybees and large numbers of wild bees that were visiting fall flowers in the application areas. There is more about these at: http://members.aol.com/gardenbees/ Of course human paranoia does enter the picture. In populated areas pest control operators make a lot of money killing off bees of all kinds. ("Grab the bug spray, Mama, I just saw a bee!") Another reason is loss of habitat and feed for bees. Chemlawn areas are quite hostile to bees, as the chemical companies have convinced people that dandelions and clover are weeds, and that the yard should frequently be fogged to kill "bugs." Have you seen the latest Ortho Bug B Gon commercial? Spraying bugs without identifying them is stupid and can also be a label violation, but who cares? Only those who are concerned about the environment. "Clean" farms (with hedgerows pushed out) also add to the effect. New parasites such as varroa mites, acaraine mites, and african hive beetles and new diseases such as chalkbrood are also taking their toll, but they are only a part of the picture. For domestic bees, good beekeepers can control these. They have mostly impacted feral honeybees, and bees "kept" by lazy or inept beekeepers. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 26668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Please read Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:01:45 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8o9i5i$nh9$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip86.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 967330802 24105 195.249.242.86 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26668 Hello all! Bidata is going thrugh a major bugfix and expansion, so because of this it is taken of the server. It also goes for the palmedition. further information will follow! -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Regular inspections: queen-cups. Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:36:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8o9gpa$ioa$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <967286329.13440.0.nnrp-02.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.90 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 26 22:36:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.90 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26669 , "John Waites" wrote: > Hi all, > Why are the still making these cells so late on in the season? > Paul. ************************************************** Howdy John - I do believe the bees must make those Queen cups just to stay in practice. Or maybe they are souveniers. The leave the old cups and cut down the full cells to cups and just leave them. The old ones have thick walls and the new ones have thin walls (at the edge).Cups can be found in most colonies any time of the year. Of course there will be some small late swarms. I had one yesterday which tried to invade a small colony and take over instead of looking for a place of their own. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <967286329.13440.0.nnrp-02.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Regular inspections: queen-cups. Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:30:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 967336215 12.72.48.208 (Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:30:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:30:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26670 Because you keep removing them. Queen "cups" (notice I did not say cells) are a normal part of any brood nest. Leave them be. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "John Waites" wrote in message news:967286329.13440.0.nnrp-02.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk... > > Why are the still making these cells so late on in the season? > > Many yhanks for any ideas > > Paul. > > Article 26671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:48:20 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8o9vaj$eli$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> <0c8gqss4jifb8vhdvgjs5k5v6bv4oggd7o@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-106.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 967344275 15026 209.130.165.106 (27 Aug 2000 02:44:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2000 02:44:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26671 Well said! --Busybee Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:0c8gqss4jifb8vhdvgjs5k5v6bv4oggd7o@4ax.com... > >Is an approximate 50% gross > >margin enough for this store to obtain in your opinion? > > Why should a place that sells to the comfortably well off which is the type of > customer that shops at a health food store, make that much money on the sweat > of a beekeeper? Why does the hardest job pay the least? Let them wrangle > bees and they will think honey is worth $20 a quart. > > Beekeeping is under siege as I see it. There's too many parasites, and not > just in the insect world. The best thing a beekeeper can do in his local area > is to sell 'directly' to the same public that frequents a health food store. > > This group is pretty savvy about honey nowadays. They want it 'organic' and > unfiltered (so do I) with wax scrap and bee legs in the top of the jar (cost > more for that) and then they know it's 'raw' honey produced locally and also > they know it contains the local pollen that helps them with their allergies. > > In other words, forget about the bollocks, bottle it right out of the > extractor, wax and all; they'll love it. If you can let it set a year, this > improves the flavor and it usually will crystalize into a nice creamy > appearance. Tell them to NOT heat the honey to 'clarify' it, but instead > 'stir' it until creamy and smooth. This way you can even educate new users to > 'raw' honey. Once you create a customer that knows the difference between > supermarket honey and yours, they'll never buy sue bee again. Most people > when they've had something better will 'budget' for it. > > Charge $5 dollars a pound and they'll pay it. Advertise locally in the paper > and they'll come get it. Sell your honey by the pound and no volume > discounts. Why should people who can afford to buy large quantities get a > discount anyway? I could never figure that out. > > I do believe in lots of free samples; If you're making $5 a pound you can be > magnanimous. If people want good local honey, produced without chemicals, > that's the way it is. If we live in a cut throat global economy we might as > well take our cue from the top. > > C.K. Article 26672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Regular inspections: queen-cups. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Aug 2000 11:30:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000827073032.02176.00000564@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26672 I only remove queen cups if they stick out and cause me to scrape the combs when manipulating frames. Pay attention to them they tell you a lot when bees add fresh wax. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Database Net Resources Message-ID: <967384374@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:52:54 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 967385885 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26673 Beekeeping Database Net Resources is a web site based in the UK which in time will become the biggest resource for beekeepers online. To help speed development we would like to exchange links with other beekeeping web sites. Contact the webmaster of BeeData.com with description of site and the full URL those sent to me will be added to our web links page. BeeData full URL: http://www.beedata.com Steven Turner (Webmaster) st@zbee.com ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 26674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:16:01 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8o8fni$hha$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-24.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 967295538 17962 209.130.165.24 (26 Aug 2000 13:12:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2000 13:12:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26674 Don't sell yourself short. If the health food store cannot move their product at $8.00/qt that is their problem. --Busybee Dale Scheidler wrote in message news:39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu... > A health food store wants to buy honey from me to resell. I am unclear > on how much to price my product for. I do know that quarts of honey in > glass jars will be priced at least $8.00 at this store. I told store > over phone price for quarts would be $5.50. Is an approximate 50% gross > margin enough for this store to obtain in your opinion? I really have a > lot of expense, sweat and labor in producing my crop and do not want to > sell too cheap. > Thanks, > Dale, Indiana Article 26675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-176-125.phnx.grid.net!user From: NO-Stretch@SPAM-StretchPhotography.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:21:18 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <39A1B35D.3A752FCF@hardynet.com> <20000824230114.16021.00001352@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b0.7d X-Server-Date: 26 Aug 2000 20:09:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26675 In article <20000824230114.16021.00001352@ng-cc1.aol.com>, bigdude3211@aol.com (BigDude3211) wrote: > Real Skeps have been outlawed in the US for many years. It is to difficult to > detect the presence of diseases, or perform basic management functions. I think you probably mean that they've been outlawed as a place for keeping domesticated bees... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 26676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.136.88!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:12:07 -0500 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <0c8gqss4jifb8vhdvgjs5k5v6bv4oggd7o@4ax.com> References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.136.88 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 967320735 10658958 216.167.136.88 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26676 >Is an approximate 50% gross >margin enough for this store to obtain in your opinion? Why should a place that sells to the comfortably well off which is the type of customer that shops at a health food store, make that much money on the sweat of a beekeeper? Why does the hardest job pay the least? Let them wrangle bees and they will think honey is worth $20 a quart. Beekeeping is under siege as I see it. There's too many parasites, and not just in the insect world. The best thing a beekeeper can do in his local area is to sell 'directly' to the same public that frequents a health food store. This group is pretty savvy about honey nowadays. They want it 'organic' and unfiltered (so do I) with wax scrap and bee legs in the top of the jar (cost more for that) and then they know it's 'raw' honey produced locally and also they know it contains the local pollen that helps them with their allergies. In other words, forget about the bollocks, bottle it right out of the extractor, wax and all; they'll love it. If you can let it set a year, this improves the flavor and it usually will crystalize into a nice creamy appearance. Tell them to NOT heat the honey to 'clarify' it, but instead 'stir' it until creamy and smooth. This way you can even educate new users to 'raw' honey. Once you create a customer that knows the difference between supermarket honey and yours, they'll never buy sue bee again. Most people when they've had something better will 'budget' for it. Charge $5 dollars a pound and they'll pay it. Advertise locally in the paper and they'll come get it. Sell your honey by the pound and no volume discounts. Why should people who can afford to buy large quantities get a discount anyway? I could never figure that out. I do believe in lots of free samples; If you're making $5 a pound you can be magnanimous. If people want good local honey, produced without chemicals, that's the way it is. If we live in a cut throat global economy we might as well take our cue from the top. C.K. Article 26677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "De Witt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:21:58 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 51 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <8obiqg$ggk@library2.airnews.net> References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Aug 27 12:23:28 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^[SH1k-X8Jo1M: (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26677 My wife recently bought a new car. She didn't go to the independent dealer and say " I don't care how much it cost you to make this car I want to only pay X" the dealer took the cost of the car and added a (hopefully) reasonable profit and gave her the price. She could either take it or leave it.You all know or should know what your Cost Of Product is. You take the COP add in profit and that is selling price. Regardless. In my area there are four health food stores. One offered me X for all my honey, regardless of how much, before the year even started. I should have taken it. The second went next door to the Supermarket and offered me the retail price of the Sue Bee on the shelf. I didn't think twice before saying no. The third wasn't interested in any way. The fourth wanted to see the product. I went to a restaurant supply store and bought twenty cases of 16oz. heavy glasses priced $1.75 each. fortunately found plastic tops in the right size from one of my real job customers, traded 2lb of honey for the 200 lids and using heat shrink material sealed the glasses put on a custom clear label that showed the Latitude and Longitude of my bee yard, and the name of the town where I live, along with the fact that this was Texas Wildflower Honey and took two jars and two samplers to the owner of the health food store. I had a figure of $6.25 a pound in mind but before I could offer the price he told me he couldn't go over $8.00 a pound packaged. SOLD. He took all 175 pounds. I had for sale. It is on his shelf at $12.00 a pound but what do I care. I had a profitable year. He has the customers and he is already talking abut next year. He has another Beekeepers honey from my same club sitting next to mine for $5.25 a pound. Packed in mason jars, with a stock label. The other guy made expenses. My COP was higher than anyone in my club my output was lower than anyone in the club having only 4 hives. But my profit and profit margin was twice as high as the next guy's and he was the only other one of twenty of us who showed a profit. Marketing and Packaging is everything. Cliff I really have a > lot of expense, sweat and labor in producing my crop and do not want to > sell too cheap. > Thanks, > Dale, Indiana Article 26678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Orange blobs Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:58:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8oboui$ths$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-127.rhode-island.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 967403282 30268 62.137.90.127 (27 Aug 2000 19:08:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2000 19:08:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26678 One of our beekeepers inspected his colonies today, and in two hives found bees with orange 'lumps' stuck to their behinds. When crushed with a hive tool, (the lumps, not the bees) they resembled the spots one finds on the car or washing. Therefore we think we know WHAT it is, but can anyone tell us why the bees can't get rid of it as they normaly do on a flight? Any info gratefully rec Thanks Dave (NW England) Article 26679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Aug 2000 19:41:32 GMT References: <8oboui$ths$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Orange blobs Message-ID: <20000827154132.03330.00000610@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26679 Sounds like the bees got pinched during hive manipulation. Or a case of bee dysentary aka nosema Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Getting the bees out of the super Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:22:31 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26680 I just started beekeeping this year, and have four hives. I took the supers off yesterday using BeeGo and a fume board. At that time most of the bees appeared to be gone, but some remained. Today I went to extract the honey and there are hundreds of bees in the supers. All of these bees are bees that were left in the supers ( three supers). At the time I pulled the supers I covered them tightly, and moved them about five miles from the bee yard. I do not believe that more bees found there way into the supers after they were pulled. How can I get rid of the rest of the bees in the supers? I have put a bee escape upside down in a top board on the supers and re-closed them up, in hopes that they will leave the supers, and I can the move the supers away from them. I do not hold out a lot of hope that this will work. Can anyone tell me a better way? Thank you for all of your help. Patrick Article 26681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Queenless swarm? Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:00:17 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.40.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 967417942 62.252.40.116 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:12:22 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:12:22 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26681 Hi Greg, I don't know where you are sending from but in Shropshire we have had a terrible time with queens taking an eternity to mate and begin laying. It seems common this year. Maybe the weather? Are you sure that the swarm you have is the prime swarm or is it a secondary cast. If you have missed the first swarm then you have a virgin queen. Be patient, if she has mated all should be well. It is late now in UK for swarms and so lots of feed will be required. If you have no luck with eggs in another week it's probably a better idea to put the bees through a queen excluder to ensure you identify her and unite with a weak colony. Hope this helps. Steve. Greg wrote in message ... >Hello everyone, > >I'm hoping someone can help me with a situation I have. Recently I had a >swarm, I decided to make a new hive out of this swarm. It's been approx. a >week now and there are no eggs in the new hive, even though it had drawn out >foundation. How long does it usually take for the queen to start laying? As >I understand the old queen should have left with the swarm, so she should be >fertile. > >Thanks for all the help, >Greg > > Article 26682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> Subject: Re: how much work? Lines: 51 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:20:32 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.40.68 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 967418586 62.252.40.68 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:23:06 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:23:06 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26682 James/Mike? I would have no hesitation in recommending beekeeping to you. You can get as involved as you wish. With 2-3 hives it may take time to begin with, making frames etc. The question is DO YOU WANT TO KEEP BEES? if you do then you should. The best way into it is not on your own. Get in touch with your local Beekeepers association and they should welcome you openly. Beekeeping is a most important pursuit and I can say that since starting 5 years ago I love it. My wife says I spend too much time at the bees but that is only really in the hieght of the season: mid May to end of August. During these times the bees need to be inpected once a week unless you want to lose swarms. To be honest more of the time is spent making up frames and stands, melting wax, bottling honey, reading, internetting' etc. Talking about honey: What a product, also it pays for your hobby if your lucky and there are not many hobbies that do that. So basically: YES but if you can get on a course to help you through the initial stages. I would like to know how you get on if you decide to go for it. Regards Steve. Also contact/subscribe free to irishbeekeeping-subscribe@listbot.com Just send a blank e-mail & retun then your in. Throw some questions at this bunch - all welcome! james wrote in message <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com>... >I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all >ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it >in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... > >Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life >experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are >we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of >year dependent too. > >I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of >them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in >making my decision to start? > >thanks!!!! >Mike > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 26683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8oboui$ths$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000827154132.03330.00000610@ng-ct1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Orange blobs Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:48:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.174.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 967420117 24.147.174.206 (Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:48:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:48:37 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26683 Hey Tom There is a big difference between Dysentery and Nosema. Bees can get dysentary without having Nosema. The later is often found by the staining on a hive caused by dysentary. Dave "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000827154132.03330.00000610@ng-ct1.aol.com... > Sounds like the bees got pinched during hive manipulation. > Or a case of bee dysentary > aka nosema > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!skynet.be!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8n3uq3$22to$1@thoth.cts.com> Subject: Re: Wasp problem Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:44:07 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.40.68 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 967420390 62.252.40.68 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:53:10 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:53:10 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26684 Hello Dave Hornets are the big carnivoire in England and I have seen the exact behaviour you mention. We leave traps around but to be honest I am not sure what difference it makes. We catch alot but there are always more arriving. We have been plagued by German wasps this year (mild winter) and the bees are having a job defending their hives. If you want to make a trap just pour some waste beer and jam into a big jar, pour warm water in give it a stir and punch a 1cm hole in the lid & watch em drown. Obviously don't use sugar or honey for this attracts your own bees into "the jar of doom". Regards. Steve, Shropshire, England. Article 26685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3991EA12.317E3785@nowhere.com> <20000810200029.15925.00000006@ng-cp1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Smokers ......what is the secret. Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:34:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.40.68 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 967420389 62.252.40.68 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:53:09 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:53:09 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26685 Couldn't dissagree more That cardboard stuff is a health hazard. It is stuck together - what with? some sort of glue must surely be involved. With a few puffs it produces a smoke which I beleive to be too hot and it stings the back of your throat. Natural rotten wood, if you like a nice aroma throw some herbs in the smoker. Why should we put up with this smelly rubbish out of our smoker when there are better options. Also if the wood is dry and you fill her up it will last for twenty hives. I have to go to two apiaries which are 5 miles between and I can do both on one fill of old wood. Now I have tried many different materials I would not return to cardboard or sacking for love nor money'. Regards. Steve, Shropshire. England Zadigvolta wrote in message <20000810200029.15925.00000006@ng-cp1.aol.com>... >Here's the secret! Save the paper that is found between the sheets of wax >foundation. A sheet or two of this paper will serve as a very good base for >the fire in the smoker. The paper started, place a roll of corrugated >cardboard (no plastic tape) with the holes pointed down (very important) so >that they may serve as "flues" to feed air to the fire down below. One roll >of cardboard, tightly rolled and just a little smaller that the size between >the top edge and about an inch from the bottom plate. You can start a smoker >with this fuel and the "foundation" paper in less than two minutes and it will >easily last your ten hives. Try this method if you are ever in a smoker >lighting contest. If you have a really vicious hive, you might try a little >bit of slumgum on top of the roll of cardboard so that the wax and old cocoons >burn and melt into the smoke. Such smoke tends to quiet them down rather >fast. Many strips of cardboard just the size needed can be cut ahead of time >and easily stored behind the seat of the truck. Article 26686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting the bees out of the super Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:35:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8odf9l$ovf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 28 10:35:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.27 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26686 Hi Patrick, I'm not sure I understand your problem. Did you take the bees 5 miles away and now want to get rid of them? As for a better way, for hobby beekeepers like us, I would forget about the Bee-go and fume board. Just pull out the frames you are going to extract honey from and brush the bees back into the hive. Then put each mostly beeless frame in an extra super a few feet away. I would think you would want to examine each frame anyway to be sure it has almost 100% capped honey cells. If it doesn't, leave it for the bees to complete. Herb In article <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com>, phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) wrote: > I just started beekeeping this year, and have four hives. I took the > supers off yesterday using BeeGo and a fume board. At that time most > of the bees appeared to be gone, but some remained. Today I went to > extract the honey and there are hundreds of bees in the supers. All > of these bees are bees that were left in the supers ( three supers). > At the time I pulled the supers I covered them tightly, and moved them > about five miles from the bee yard. I do not believe that more bees > found there way into the supers after they were pulled. > > How can I get rid of the rest of the bees in the supers? I have put a > bee escape upside down in a top board on the supers and re-closed them > up, in hopes that they will leave the supers, and I can the move the > supers away from them. I do not hold out a lot of hope that this will > work. Can anyone tell me a better way? Thank you for all of your > help. > > Patrick > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Aug 2000 11:19:05 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Smokers ......what is the secret. Message-ID: <20000828071905.21003.00000359@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26687 The best advice I ever heard concerning smokers was burn what you want to end up smelling like. For most folks pine needles and pine cones fit the bill. I use wood chips from the tree service and mulch the hive areas with them when I can. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Message-ID: <39aa6315.1639420687@west.usenetserver.com> References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> <0c8gqss4jifb8vhdvgjs5k5v6bv4oggd7o@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 11 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:04:47 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:05:51 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26688 I thought when they said unfiltered they didnt' want the ultrafiltration or heated filter.. I think most people want you to at least run it throught the basket filter and remove the larger parts. Does unfiltered really mean to you just as it comes from the extractor? > They want it 'organic' and >unfiltered (so do I) with wax scrap and bee legs in the top of the jar (cost >more for that) and then they know it's 'raw' honey produced locally and also >they know it contains the local pollen that helps them with their allergies. Article 26689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting the bees out of the super Message-ID: <39aa73f8.1643744031@west.usenetserver.com> References: <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com> <8odf9l$ovf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39aa717d.2586727@news.ncweb.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 33 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:18:24 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:19:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26689 Are you sure there wasn't a little hole .. I too use beego ..put lids on cross wise a couple minutes then straighten about 3-5 more minutes. The super under the bee go is usually totally empty of bees and I remove, move the bee go down to the next supper and remove it in about 3 minutes until done .. Thus I don't take any bees from my apiary. However, if I leave the suppers out side for very long, my entire truck will be sorrounded by bees from the area around the gargage where I extract. These become pests when you are extracting, you keep grabbing them and they get you back. Trick is to quickly move the supers inside and stack tightly. Keep area you are extracting closed up Dave On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:06:26 GMT, phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) wrote: >Tis would be the bees that are still ing the supers after I removed >them from the hive. I was able to extract the frames, I waited till >about 10:00 PM. > >On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:35:34 GMT, hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > >>Hi Patrick, >> I'm not sure I understand your problem. Did you take the bees 5 >>miles away and now want to get rid of them? >> > > Article 26690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com> Subject: Re: Getting the bees out of the super Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:35:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 967476909 24.91.40.243 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:35:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:35:09 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26690 I am a hobby beekeeper (4 hives) also. The way I removed honey most recently worked the best for me so far. A couple days before I want to remove the honey, I put in a bee escape in the inner cover's hole and put the inner cover below the honey I want to take, put the outer cover tightly on top, so the only thing any bee can do is leave (by the escape in the inner cover. If there are cool nights, it should be almost empty of bees in a day or two. I take my wheel barrel out with me, with a tarp or a large towel or sheet, and a spare super box (no frames). Put the empty box in the wheel barrel, remove the outer cover. Take one frame at a time out, shake off the bees (brushing seems to make them more angry) and quickly put the frame in the box under the tarp. If any frames aren't fully capped, leave them on the hive. Work quickly and then wheel the covered super (now full of honey frames) right away. I find that doing it mid-late afternoon gives me the best results. I bring everything inside to the basement, and most of any bees left will head for the door to get back outside. Any stragglers are escorted out as I find them (very few). Last time I got the honey out before the bees got worked up over it. They were sort of ticked off the next day ;-) but I got all the honey off without incident. Again, I only have 4 hives... this would be way too labor intensive for a hundred. -Steve "Patrick M. Hennessey" wrote in message news:39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com... > I just started beekeeping this year, and have four hives. I took the > supers off yesterday using BeeGo and a fume board. At that time most > of the bees appeared to be gone, but some remained. Today I went to > extract the honey and there are hundreds of bees in the supers. All > of these bees are bees that were left in the supers ( three supers). > At the time I pulled the supers I covered them tightly, and moved them > about five miles from the bee yard. I do not believe that more bees > found there way into the supers after they were pulled. > > How can I get rid of the rest of the bees in the supers? I have put a > bee escape upside down in a top board on the supers and re-closed them > up, in hopes that they will leave the supers, and I can the move the > supers away from them. I do not hold out a lot of hope that this will > work. Can anyone tell me a better way? Thank you for all of your > help. > > Patrick Article 26691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting the bees out of the super Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:06:26 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <39aa717d.2586727@news.ncweb.com> References: <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com> <8odf9l$ovf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26691 Tis would be the bees that are still ing the supers after I removed them from the hive. I was able to extract the frames, I waited till about 10:00 PM. On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:35:34 GMT, hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: >Hi Patrick, > I'm not sure I understand your problem. Did you take the bees 5 >miles away and now want to get rid of them? > Article 26692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> <0c8gqss4jifb8vhdvgjs5k5v6bv4oggd7o@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:17:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 967475870 24.91.40.243 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:17:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:17:50 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26692 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:0c8gqss4jifb8vhdvgjs5k5v6bv4oggd7o@4ax.com... > Beekeeping is under siege as I see it. There's too many parasites, and not > just in the insect world. The best thing a beekeeper can do in his local area > is to sell 'directly' to the same public that frequents a health food store. I agree with you. > discounts. Why should people who can afford to buy large quantities get a > discount anyway? I could never figure that out. The idea is that you can unload lots at once, and it reduces your cost of selling. If you have no problem selling all you've got, and you have the time to do it, then there's little benefit to selling in price-reduced bulk. -Steve Huston Article 26693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000828124127.21587.00001524@ng-da1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Lines: 32 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:32:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.124 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 967483978 12.72.205.124 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:32:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:32:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26693 I thought you were selling yourself short until I realized you mean $2.50/lb. + $.50 for the jar. Similar to what I use. $2.75/lb + the cost of the container. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000828124127.21587.00001524@ng-da1.aol.com... > I get 90$ for a case of 12 mason jar qts from the health food store cod. > They mark it up from there. > I get 96$ if the store pays me as the honey is sold. > That works out to 2.50 a qt and 50cents for the jar. > I think I could get even more. > > Don't sell yourself short > sell in your own county > harvest at different times to capture different flavors. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39AA9EC7.8EEFD4DB@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store References: <20000828124127.21587.00001524@ng-da1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:17:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 967482955 209.248.4.166 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:15:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:15:55 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26694 Interesting arithmetic.... AL BeeCrofter wrote: > > I get 90$ for a case of 12 mason jar qts from the health food store cod. > They mark it up from there. > I get 96$ if the store pays me as the honey is sold. > That works out to 2.50 a qt and 50cents for the jar. > I think I could get even more. > > Don't sell yourself short > sell in your own county > harvest at different times to capture different flavors. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <967286329.13440.0.nnrp-02.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Regular inspections: queen-cups. Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:03:12 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.208.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 967494445 62.252.208.81 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:27:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:27:25 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26695 Paul, Is your queen laying well, is you colony telling you that the queen is no good. Enough space? Have you done an artificial swarm this season? If you have and she is kjust a prolific swarmer - get rid of her next spring and replace her with a better one from another hive. Regards Steve. John Waites wrote in message <967286329.13440.0.nnrp-02.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk>... >Hi all, > >I have carried out weekly inspections of my three hives throughout the >summer, and am still removing a half dozen or so queen-cups from each hive, >even now in late August. At what point can I safely stop doing these weekly >inspections and stop removing these cells..... I plan to take the honey off >next weekend... > >Why are the still making these cells so late on in the season? > >Many yhanks for any ideas > >Paul. > > Article 26696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much work? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:19:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 83 Message-ID: <8oel17$5u2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399c28e7.487265260@news.eburg.com> <8nhbgu$pu4$1@campus3.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.192.173 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 28 21:19:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.192.173 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26696 One thing no ne seems willing to mention is the beekeeping becomes an addiction very quickly!! I started with one hive last year- now have 15- Promise yorself you will do your best to become a "Beekeeper" and not just a "Beehaver" - You won't notice the work- just enjoy it- Repbees- NETX. In article <8nhbgu$pu4$1@campus3.mtu.edu>, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > james wrote: > : I have been really interested in giving beekeeping a try. I was all > : ready and raren to go, until a good friend told me that he had done it > : in the past. Said it was A LOT of work to keep up with.... > > : Ok, I'm not afraid of work, but can i get from your real-life > : experience, how much work it really is. Say a starter, 2-3 hive? Are > : we talking once a month, week, day, hour.... I'm sure its time of > : year dependent too. > > : I don't want to get some of the little fellers and not take care of > : them properly, so if you will, can you help save a bee and help me in > : making my decision to start? > > OK, I started with three hives last year. They get inspected about every two > weeks during the spring, summer, and fall, at about a half-hour per > inspection. Sticking with medium boxes instead of deeps, the lifting > is not too bad. This year, I harvested around 50 lbs of honey (it wasn't > a particularly good year for the bees to make much of a crop, temps didn't > regularly get above 60 degrees here until the beginning of July). We are still > straining the last of it, time spent on the harvest so far has been about > 8 hours (mainly because we were (a) trying to figure out what we were > doing, and (b) working slowly to keep from getting the kitchen all sticky). > Prepping the hives for winter last year took about an hour, and they all > survived, so I must have done *something* right. > > Assembling hive parts has probably been as time-consuming as anything, > at about 2 hours to assemble and paint the woodenware and install the > foundation for a single box (I've been trying to keep at 3 medium brood > boxes and 2 supers per hive, so 15 boxes comes to about 30 hours of > work all told. This has been getting faster as I gained experience, > though). Of course, you can get around this by paying extra for > pre-assembled stuff. > > Oh yes, the electric fence to keep the bears out probably took 4 hours > to build, and takes about a half-hour a month to maintain. > > So, all in all, I'd say the only part that is actually much work is the > harvesting part, everything else so far has been something I could do > either in a bit of time on the weekends, or immediately after work. > You do want to keep an eye on them, though. Don't neglect them for > long periods. I usually go down to have a quick look (not opening any > hives, just observing the traffic) every day or two, just to make sure > they are OK. > > The thing is, I spent probably as much time reading books and articles > about the bees, and making plans for what I would do for various contingencies, > as I have actually out there working with them. If you take the whole > business seriously and make sure you are ready for it, the actual time > and effort committment for just a few hives is no larger than any other > hobby that you take seriously. > > -- > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Neem Oil Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:39:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8oeim4$30d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.192.173 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 28 20:39:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.192.173 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26697 Having recently had a good hive "colapse" from a mite infestation, I am forcibly reminded again what a serious problem varroa mites can be. I read frequently about combating them with various oils, including mineral oil. There is an oil on the market which in itself is insecticidal, called NEEM OIL. It comes from a tree in India I think, and is supposedly very effective in killing or repelling a vast number of insect pests. I am interested in learning several things about it- First, do any of you know of any experimental work being done with it in the control of Varroa mites? Second, I am curious as to it's toxicty toward honeybees themselves (which might be a very limiting factor in it's being used at all) Third, If any knowlege is availabe in this area, How is it applied (or fed?) How much is the correct dosage per colony, what is the compared efficacy say to Apistan? Also I am going to try aixture of powdered sugar and garlic powder placed in the brood box. Any one familiar with this? Thanks in advance for any help- repbees- R.E. Post, NE Texas Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting the bees out of the super Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:50:42 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8oemor$8ep$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com> <8odf9l$ovf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-128-110.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 967499355 8665 212.239.128.110 (28 Aug 2000 21:49:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2000 21:49:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26698 hcampb@my-deja.com heeft geschreven in bericht <8odf9l$ovf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Hi Patrick, > As for a better way, for hobby beekeepers like us, I would forget >about the Bee-go and fume board. Just pull out the frames you are going >to extract honey from and brush the bees back into the hive. Then put >each mostly beeless frame in an extra super a few feet away. > > I would think you would want to examine each frame anyway to be sure >it has almost 100% capped honey cells. If it doesn't, leave it for the >bees to complete. > >Herb > *********************************************** Do put bee escapes the evening before, than, when the queen is not in the supper, (should not be), the supper is almost free of bees the next morning. Than do as Herb says, and do it early in the mornig. Brush or knock of the last ones, the bees left are young and not stingy (knocking is difficult when the frame is heavy). Of course when you did not avoid emerging brood in the suppers, there will be bees in them the next day. Hans *********************************************** > > > >In article <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com>, > phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) wrote: >> I took the >> supers off yesterday using BeeGo and a fume board. At that time most >> of the bees appeared to be gone, but some remained. Today I went to >> extract the honey and there are hundreds of bees in the supers. All >> of these bees are bees that were left in the supers ( three supers). >> At the time I pulled the supers I covered them tightly, and moved them >> about five miles from the bee yard. I do not believe that more bees >> found there way into the supers after they were pulled. >> >> How can I get rid of the rest of the bees in the supers? I have put a >> bee escape upside down in a top board on the supers and re-closed them >> up, in hopes that they will leave the supers, and I can the move the >> supers away from them. I do not hold out a lot of hope that this will >> work. Can anyone tell me a better way? Thank you for all of your >> help. >> >> Patrick > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 26699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Aug 2000 22:09:20 GMT References: <39AADB71.1E26@wp.bsu.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Message-ID: <20000828180920.19979.00001776@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26699 Try pricing one of the honeys a dollar more than the other. Perhaps an extra buck for the darker honey and see what happens. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Aug 2000 22:10:38 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000828181038.19979.00001777@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26700 Must be that damn nuclear math A qt jar is roughly 3lbs so 2.50 a pound plus .50 for the jar. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting the bees out of the super Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:28:24 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <39aad914.29105457@news.ncweb.com> References: <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com> <8odf9l$ovf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39aa717d.2586727@news.ncweb.com> <39aa73f8.1643744031@west.usenetserver.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26701 No hole, I think I was not patient enough. We shall see next time, I will put the fume board on and take a little walk. Thank you, Pat On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:19:28 GMT, hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) wrote: >Are you sure there wasn't a little hole .. Article 26702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39AADB71.1E26@wp.bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> <0c8gqss4jifb8vhdvgjs5k5v6bv4oggd7o@4ax.com> <39aa6315.1639420687@west.usenetserver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:36:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 967498804 147.226.103.42 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:40:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:40:04 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26702 Dave Hamilton wrote: > > I thought when they said unfiltered they didnt' want the > ultrafiltration or heated filter.. I think most people want you to at > least run it throught the basket filter and remove the larger parts. > Does unfiltered really mean to you just as it comes from the > extractor? > > > They want it 'organic' and > >unfiltered (so do I) with wax scrap and bee legs in the top of the jar (cost > >more for that) and then they know it's 'raw' honey produced locally and also > >they know it contains the local pollen that helps them with their allergies. Thanks for all your thoughts on pricing. I have had a large crop from my 19 hives both last season and this season (~110 lbs./hive avg.) and have kept my price low to try to move product. I participate in a farmer's market and there is not that much demand although I separate the honey into spring and summer and have a well signed display. Move about $75 of product on Saturday mornings. I get many compliments on how good honey tastes. One guy stopped by my home yesterday and bought 2 qts. and said that his honey supply was about gone from his purchase 2 seasons ago. At $6.00 per quart this is a bit cheaper than the average price posted in the honey market section of Bee Culture. Dale, Indiana Article 26703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8oeim4$30d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Neem Oil Lines: 37 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_hCq5.675$On2.32414@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:08:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 967504122 12.72.50.24 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:08:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:08:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26703 American Bee Journal, July 2000 -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:8oeim4$30d$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Having recently had a good hive "colapse" from a mite infestation, I > am forcibly reminded again what a serious problem varroa mites can be. > I read frequently about combating them with various oils, including > mineral oil. There is an oil on the market which in itself is > insecticidal, called NEEM OIL. It comes from a tree in India I think, > and is supposedly very effective in killing or repelling a vast number > of insect pests. I am interested in learning several things about it- > > First, do any of you know of any experimental work being done with it > in the control of Varroa mites? > Second, I am curious as to it's toxicty toward honeybees themselves > (which might be a very limiting factor in it's being used at all) > Third, If any knowlege is availabe in this area, How is it applied > (or fed?) How much is the correct dosage per colony, what is the > compared efficacy say to Apistan? > > Also I am going to try aixture of powdered sugar and garlic powder > placed in the brood box. Any one familiar with this? > > Thanks in advance for any help- repbees- R.E. Post, NE Texas > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39AAF4D4.D75C2121@kusd.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:25:09 -0500 From: Tim Fulton Reply-To: tfulton@kusd.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Double queen hive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.25.139.89 X-Trace: 967505268 news.twtelecom.net 23901 192.25.139.89 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26704 I decided to requeen two of my hives this fall.  The both came lively and healthy and I was able to find the queen, dispose of her and install the new queen the next day without incident, BUT the queen was able to allude me two days in a row.  I Made an extra cage of screen wire and placed the new queen the new queen in he hive in an attempt to draw her up and catch her, but two attempts at this plan also failed.  I was about to sell the new queen and wait until next spring when a friend suggested I try doubling up with two queens since lots of bees were just emerging.  OK, I put a queen excluder on tope of the second hive body and put a third hive on that with drawn foundation.  I than hosed down my ladies with sugar syrup, laced with cherry flavor and winter green oil to disorient their smellers and put the new queen in the top box with cork out and hole punch in the candy plug.  I plan on not messing with the hive for at least 7 days and hope for the best.  If this program works and both queens are OK next spring I can again try and find the old queen, remove her and let the new queen take over, via the news paper trick, OR leave them alone to do their thing.  My question is, how does on manage swarm control with this system?  I would just a soon keep things as simple as possible, but this is interesting.  What would you advise.  Tim in Southern Wisconsin Article 26705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Aug 2000 16:41:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000828124127.21587.00001524@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26705 I get 90$ for a case of 12 mason jar qts from the health food store cod. They mark it up from there. I get 96$ if the store pays me as the honey is sold. That works out to 2.50 a qt and 50cents for the jar. I think I could get even more. Don't sell yourself short sell in your own county harvest at different times to capture different flavors. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 26706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39AAF4D4.D75C2121@kusd.edu> Subject: Re: Double queen hive Lines: 48 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:25:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 967519558 12.72.205.52 (Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:25:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:25:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26706 What your friend neglected to tell you was that at some time during the winter, one of the queens will end up on the wrong side of the excluder relative to the cluster and perish. I am not clear from your post exactly what you have attempted. First you say you found the queen and then that she eluded you for 2 days? At any rate the method you have chosen is not what I would advise. I would take that 3rd box and add 3 of 4 frames of brood with adhering bees to create a nuc and introduce the caged queen into this. Once the nuc has accepted her and she is laying, you can destroy the old queen and immediately introduce the 3 or 4 frames along with the queen to the originating hive. Forget the wintergreen and other subversive tactics and go with what works with their biology. I've got to believe that wintergreen is like being maced. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Tim Fulton" wrote in message news:39AAF4D4.D75C2121@kusd.edu... > I decided to requeen two of my hives this fall. The both came lively > and healthy and I was able to find the queen, dispose of her and install > the new queen the next day without incident, BUT the queen was able to > allude me two days in a row. I Made an extra cage of screen wire and > placed the new queen the new queen in he hive in an attempt to draw her > up and catch her, but two attempts at this plan also failed. I was > about to sell the new queen and wait until next spring when a friend > suggested I try doubling up with two queens since lots of bees were just > emerging. OK, I put a queen excluder on tope of the second hive body > and put a third hive on that with drawn foundation. I than hosed down > my ladies with sugar syrup, laced with cherry flavor and winter green > oil to disorient their smellers and put the new queen in the top box > with cork out and hole punch in the candy plug. I plan on not messing > with the hive for at least 7 days and hope for the best. If this > program works and both queens are OK next spring I can again try and > find the old queen, remove her and let the new queen take over, via the > news paper trick, OR leave them alone to do their thing. My question > is, how does on manage swarm control with this system? I would just a > soon keep things as simple as possible, but this is interesting. What > would you advise. > > Tim in Southern Wisconsin > Article 26707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.twtelecom.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "preacher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two queen setup Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:58:48 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8of93e$hrn$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-22.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 967518126 18295 208.232.214.22 (29 Aug 2000 03:02:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2000 03:02:06 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26707 Hello beekeeps, I have a question for you. On a two queen setup, do you break them down into two hives before winter sets in? Or do you leave the two together for the winter? Preacher Article 26708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0289.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Neem Oil Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:22:31 -0500 Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <8oeim4$30d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0289.nts-online.net (216.167.132.34) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 967526560 11343454 216.167.132.34 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26708 >There is an oil on the market which in itself is >insecticidal, called NEEM OIL. It comes from a tree in India I think, >and is supposedly very effective in killing or repelling a vast number >of insect pests. Azadiractin is the active ingredient. >First, do any of you know of any experimental work being done with it >in the control of Varroa mites? There was an interesting white paper some years back in the ABJ. (It would be good if there was a global archive of these articles where one could do a search) Anyway I read this, can't remember who wrote it, but (he?) was experimenting with exactly what you're on about. A solution was arrived at and used in syrup. The syrup is fed to the bees before winter and after the queen stops laying, i.e. it was alright for the bees but would kill the brood if fed to them. I suppose the ingestion of Azadiractin was to make the bees hemolymph toxic to sucking insects. The article also described amounts of Azadiractin used and from that I formulated the following recipe that I tried for one year. If you want to try what I did, mix up the following: make up a 3000 ppm solution of Azadiractin make up a 2% solution of Thymol make a gallon (U.S. 3.78 Liter) of syrup that contains 3 pounds sugar (1.36 kilos) to this gallon of syrup add 11.3 cc of the 3000ppm Azadiractin solution 5cc of the 2% thymol solution >Second, I am curious as to it's toxicty toward honeybees themselves >(which might be a very limiting factor in it's being used at all) >Third, If any knowlege is availabe in this area, How is it applied >(or fed?) How much is the correct dosage per colony, It is toxic obviously since it will kill brood but not the adults. However it is rather like 'chemo therapy' in my opinion, and of that I have a low opinion. >what is the compared efficacy say to Apistan? It was effective in the sense that the bees survived. I couldn't tell in a quantitative way, as I wasn't very scientific in my follow up. Also note that at that time I was using the Thymol solution as a normal additive to sugar syrup for anti fermentation. Thymol is now considered effective against mites on its own, both exterior and tracheal. Therefore, it is hard to say which of the 'poisons' in the syrup were making it harder on the mites. The ABJ white paper did however suggest that the Azadiractin solution used in the study was effective. C.K. Article 26709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: frugalbee@noemail.com (Frugalbee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Sevin Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:07:38 GMT Lines: 39 Message-ID: <39abb771.352798896@news.erols.com> References: <8nsmou$17a$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: FrqYve3S6VuXzKPI4nNYz1GWmq9Cxh7WpsKhThyJFk0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2000 16:06:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26709 IMO: In years to come they will find that seven is worse than asbestos and chlordane combined. I cannot eat any food stand food, because most of it is doused with 7, I thought I was always allergic to Zucchini Squash. But never got sick or any bad effects from eating my own squash. They use the crap in orchard spray as well. Remember the government don't care, The big companys such as "Mon______ are buying off the government. Chemicals are safe.BS Get the bees and get rid of the chemicals. The bees will help you both physically and Mentally. Hang out with organic. or chemical free Growers The honey bees and the many new friends will reward you in many ways. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:57:59 -0400, "David F." wrote: >Hi, > >I live outside of Raleigh, NC and would like to start a hive next year to >help in the polination of my garden. However, I am an infrequent user of >Sevin Spray....approximately once every week or two to keep the bugs knocked >down. I hear Sevin is bad for bees so here are my questions: > >If I start a hive, what effect will the Sevin have on them? Is there >anything else I can use effectively for insect control that won't effect the >bees? > >Thanks, > >David > Article 26710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!waites.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "John Waites" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Regular inspections: queen-cups. Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:58:16 +0100 Message-ID: <967575428.13402.0.nnrp-13.c2de2046@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: waites.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: waites.demon.co.uk:194.222.32.70 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 967575428 nnrp-13:13402 NO-IDENT waites.demon.co.uk:194.222.32.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26710 Hi all, thanks for the advice, I think that i wa sreally after some reassurance.... I've found lots of queen cups throughout the summer in my three hives but for the last month or so no eggs in any of them... I guess that they must build these cells anyway even if they don't use them. Each hive had a new queen last year (Two swarmed and one was a swarm that superseeded last year). Thanks, Paul. Article 26711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Aug 2000 20:10:27 GMT References: <399D5AF0.142001FA@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How much varroa mite in the hive an excess? Message-ID: <20000829161027.11217.00001839@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26711 >Go sit out next to the hive(s) mid-morning and see if you find any >deformed-wing or odd-behaving bees near the entrance (or on the ground). > Hey Steve, I too do see some of the young deformed wing bee outside the entrance. The worker toss few of them out of their door. Is that good or bad? Tim Article 26712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <399D5AF0.142001FA@riverace.com> <20000829161027.11217.00001839@ng-fa1.aol.com> Subject: Re: How much varroa mite in the hive an excess? Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: <9TWq5.14676$pu4.1086958@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:33:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 967588421 24.91.40.243 (Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:33:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:33:41 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26712 "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20000829161027.11217.00001839@ng-fa1.aol.com... > >Go sit out next to the hive(s) mid-morning and see if you find any > >deformed-wing or odd-behaving bees near the entrance (or on the ground). > > > > Hey Steve, > I too do see some of the young deformed wing bee outside the entrance. The > worker toss few of them out of their door. Is that good or bad? That's bad. How bad is bad? That's what you'll have to evaluate. Here in Massachusetts, US, the honey season is about done, so if I saw funky bees now, I'd wait very little (a week maybe) to finish any honey, then remove it and put in Apistan. If you don't have any honey on, start treating now, probably. If you want to delay, you could try a sticky board or a sugar roll test to get a better idea of infestation level. -Steve Article 26713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone2.ba-dsg.net!typhoon2.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unfiltered Honey From: mead-maker@NOHYPHENSbell-atlantic.net (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <8mrevd$gdi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 20 Message-ID: <66Mq5.928$bO.46651@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:18:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.156.49.171 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon2.ba-dsg.net 967544322 141.156.49.171 (Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:18:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:18:42 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26713 >I would like to know if anyone has any strong testimonials or knowlege >regarding the benefits of eating unfiltered honey (contains >pollen/wax/propolis etc.) over store bought blended and highly filtered >honey. I know it is better for you but can some one explain to refresh my >memory as to why it is so? I don't know about any potential health benefits but as an amateur meadmaker & brewer I prefer only minimal (if any) filtering on the honey I use. It just seems to ferment better, more nutrients/minerals in there for the yeast to work with. If it's good for the yeast then it's good enough for me [g]. Wassail, Chris Head brewer/bottle-washer at Hummingbird Cellars (1 sip will leave 'ya humming) What's Brewing? Peach meads(3), Cherry mead, Strawberry mead What's Aging? Apricot, Blackberry, Blueberry, Citrus-Ginger, Cyser, Methaglin, Peach, Plum, Pyment, Raspberry, Traditional, Vanilla, Framboise, Oatmeal Cream Stout Article 26714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.tele.dk!139.130.240.98!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Neem Oil Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:49:25 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 105 Message-ID: <8ohqol$h5l$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8oeim4$30d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p60.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 967601749 17589 203.96.192.60 (30 Aug 2000 02:15:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2000 02:15:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26714 greetings interesting, i have also been wondering about Neem thanks for your comments CK Neem isn't toxic to adult bees. I have been thinking of using Neem applied generously to a strip laid across the entrance of the hives and perhaps spreading Neem along the top bars the bees will have to tread across these areas. Once their feet are covered in neem, I think it likely that the Bees would rub it over themselves in the cleaning process. It is my idea that this might allow them at least some resistence to the mite. any thoughts? thanks carman Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:qafmqsspt76kli1ldeabvchd74ah2g3sd3@4ax.com... > >There is an oil on the market which in itself is > >insecticidal, called NEEM OIL. It comes from a tree in India I think, > >and is supposedly very effective in killing or repelling a vast number > >of insect pests. > > Azadiractin is the active ingredient. > > >First, do any of you know of any experimental work being done with it > >in the control of Varroa mites? > > There was an interesting white paper some years back in the ABJ. > > (It would be good if there was a global archive of these articles where one > could do a search) > > Anyway I read this, can't remember who wrote it, but (he?) was experimenting > with exactly what you're on about. A solution was arrived at and used in > syrup. > > The syrup is fed to the bees before winter and after the queen stops laying, > > i.e. it was alright for the bees but would kill the brood if fed to them. I > suppose the ingestion of Azadiractin was to make the bees hemolymph toxic to > sucking insects. The article also described amounts of Azadiractin used and > from that I formulated the following recipe that I tried for one year. > > If you want to try what I did, mix up the following: > > make up a 3000 ppm solution of Azadiractin > > make up a 2% solution of Thymol > > make a gallon (U.S. 3.78 Liter) of syrup that contains 3 pounds sugar (1.36 > kilos) > > to this gallon of syrup add > > 11.3 cc of the 3000ppm Azadiractin solution > > 5cc of the 2% thymol solution > > >Second, I am curious as to it's toxicty toward honeybees themselves > >(which might be a very limiting factor in it's being used at all) > >Third, If any knowlege is availabe in this area, How is it applied > >(or fed?) How much is the correct dosage per colony, > > It is toxic obviously since it will kill brood but not the adults. However it > is rather like 'chemo therapy' in my opinion, and of that I have a low > opinion. > > >what is the compared efficacy say to Apistan? > > It was effective in the sense that the bees survived. I couldn't tell in a > quantitative way, as I wasn't very scientific in my follow up. Also note that > at that time I was using the Thymol solution as a normal additive to sugar > syrup for anti fermentation. Thymol is now considered effective against mites > on its own, both exterior and tracheal. > > Therefore, it is hard to say which of the 'poisons' in the syrup were making > it harder on the mites. > > The ABJ white paper did however suggest that the Azadiractin solution used in > the study was effective. > > C.K. > > > > > > Article 26715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39AC8860.12ECADF4@kusd.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:06:56 -0500 From: Tim Fulton Reply-To: tfulton@kusd.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Double queen hive References: <39AAF4D4.D75C2121@kusd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 60 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.25.139.76 X-Trace: 967608588 news.twtelecom.net 23899 192.25.139.76 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26715 Dear George, Thank you for your reply. Creating a nuc was my original though, thought, but since I had disturbed the hive four days in a row, without finding the queen,  the bees and I were becoming rather incompatible.  I'm into the project now and would appreciate any other thoughts on the subject.  I think I could go ahead and pull some frames and create a nuc at this stage without harm, but was curious about a double queen hive.  Any other thoughts? T. Fulton George Styer wrote: > What your friend neglected to tell you was that at some time during the > winter, one of the queens will end up on the wrong side of the excluder > relative to the cluster and perish. I am not clear from your post exactly > what you have attempted. First you say you found the queen and then that she > eluded you for 2 days? At any rate the method you have chosen is not what I > would advise. I would take that 3rd box and add 3 of 4 frames of brood with > adhering bees to create a nuc and introduce the caged queen into this. Once > the nuc has accepted her and she is laying, you can destroy the old queen > and immediately introduce the 3 or 4 frames along with the queen to the > originating hive. Forget the wintergreen and other subversive tactics and go > with what works with their biology. I've got to believe that wintergreen is > like being maced. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > "Tim Fulton" wrote in message > news:39AAF4D4.D75C2121@kusd.edu... > > I decided to requeen two of my hives this fall. The both came lively > > and healthy and I was able to find the queen, dispose of her and install > > the new queen the next day without incident, BUT the queen was able to > > allude me two days in a row. I Made an extra cage of screen wire and > > placed the new queen the new queen in he hive in an attempt to draw her > > up and catch her, but two attempts at this plan also failed. I was > > about to sell the new queen and wait until next spring when a friend > > suggested I try doubling up with two queens since lots of bees were just > > emerging. OK, I put a queen excluder on tope of the second hive body > > and put a third hive on that with drawn foundation. I than hosed down > > my ladies with sugar syrup, laced with cherry flavor and winter green > > oil to disorient their smellers and put the new queen in the top box > > with cork out and hole punch in the candy plug. I plan on not messing > > with the hive for at least 7 days and hope for the best. If this > > program works and both queens are OK next spring I can again try and > > find the old queen, remove her and let the new queen take over, via the > > news paper trick, OR leave them alone to do their thing. My question > > is, how does on manage swarm control with this system? I would just a > > soon keep things as simple as possible, but this is interesting. What > > would you advise. > > > > Tim in Southern Wisconsin > >   Article 26716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: soap Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:22:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.22.151.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net 967638165 63.22.151.148 (Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:22:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:22:45 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26716 Does any one have a nice soap recipe using beeswax? Lucy Article 26717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:19:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8ojes5$sh5$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> <0c8gqss4jifb8vhdvgjs5k5v6bv4oggd7o@4ax.com> <39aa6315.1639420687@west.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-91.georgia.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 967655109 29221 62.137.61.91 (30 Aug 2000 17:05:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2000 17:05:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26717 "Dave Hamilton" wrote in message news:39aa6315.1639420687@west.usenetserver.com... > I thought when they said unfiltered they didnt' want the > ultrafiltration or heated filter.. I think most people want you to at > least run it throught the basket filter and remove the larger parts. > Does unfiltered really mean to you just as it comes from the > extractor? > ----------------------------- I think that we need to distinguish between filtering and straining. I would define straining as running the honey through a mesh no smaller than 100 microns - so you leave the pollen in it. Filtering is a commercial process that removes virtually everything. UK regulations would not permit the sale of unstrained honey with insect debris left in it. Article 26718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Double queen hive Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:14:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8ojes3$sh5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39AAF4D4.D75C2121@kusd.edu> <39AC8860.12ECADF4@kusd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-91.georgia.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 967655107 29221 62.137.61.91 (30 Aug 2000 17:05:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2000 17:05:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26718 > the bees and I were becoming rather incompatible. I like that one! Article 26719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "John Martin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Hive Dimensions Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:02:27 -0700 Organization: Uniserve Lines: 10 Message-ID: <967658574.568592@neptune.uniserve.ca> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Cache-Post-Path: neptune.uniserve.ca!unknown@hope1d41.dial.uniserve.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26719 Hello All Is there a web site that I can get the exact standard demensions of box and frame? Already got non-standard equiptment and wish to build equiptment to the standard size used in canada.(not half boxes, thanks) Sincerely John M Article 26720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax and soap Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:07:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.22.151.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net 967662436 63.22.151.148 (Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:07:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:07:16 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26720 Can anyone please share a simple recipe for making soap with beeswax and or honey products? Thank you. Article 26721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39AD5E18.420FED4F@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive Dimensions References: <967658574.568592@neptune.uniserve.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:18:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 967663002 209.248.4.156 (Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:16:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:16:42 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26721 John Martin wrote: > > Hello All > Is there a web site that I can get the exact standard demensions of box and > frame? > Already got non-standard equiptment and wish to build equiptment to the > standard > size used in canada.(not half boxes, thanks) > Sincerely > John M http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm AL Article 26722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:08:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8ok7lq$o9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8nru7p$2cn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 31 00:08:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26722 In article , "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote: > Bees are not cold blooded...they generate their own heat, not absorbe the ambient heat of their environment...hence the 80+ degree temperatures hives in the middle of a freezing winter.. Hmmm. Do you know what cold blooded means? allen --- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package bees, winter loss, fondant, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping, splitting, raising queens, AFB, varroa, protein patties, moving bees, pollination experiences, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... 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Article 26723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!eyre.news.uk.uu.net!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive placement Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:45:20 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8oifv4$h72$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <39A42D01.A9AFAD5D@ims.com> <3Gjp5.22072$65.225660@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <39a5f215$0$5559@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds31.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 967623460 17634 62.188.6.137 (30 Aug 2000 08:17:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2000 08:17:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26723 > Are you saying that I could move a hive only, say, 1 mile...and as long as I > changed the orientation of the hive, they'd have to re-orient themselves and > in the process learn their new location? So no (or few) field bees would be > lost? Nobody seems to have mentioned the useful trick of leaving a nuc behind when you move a hive. If you put a nucleus of, say three frames, with some brood and, if poss, a queen cell, on the site of the moved hive, any remaining or returning bees just join it. That way you can move a hive quite a short way and get a new colony as well. You can always move the nuc - an easier job- after a few days. I use this method when I wish to manage the numbers of bees in a colony. Can be used in swarm control, too. Martin. MK,UK Article 26724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting the bees out of the super Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:21:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8ok8el$p2f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 31 00:21:59 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26724 > How can I get rid of the rest of the bees in the supers Until I ran more than 100 hives, I used a bee brush. It looks just like a drafting brush, and is best used with an upward stroke (bees -- like birds -- launch best with an upwards motion). Of course, you will have all those homeless bees to deal with. They will likely cluster somewhere (your helmet?) You brush will then persuade and tease them to go into a box, which can be used to take them to their home. allen --- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package bees, winter loss, fondant, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping, splitting, raising queens, AFB, varroa, protein patties, moving bees, pollination experiences, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive Dimensions Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:29:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8ok8rn$plj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <967658574.568592@neptune.uniserve.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 31 00:29:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26725 > Is there a web site that I can get the exact standard demensions of box and frame? > Already got non-standard equiptment and wish to build equiptment to the standard size used in canada.(not half boxes, thanks) Try http://www.beesource.com That's the best place to find that kinda stuff, thanks to my pal, Barry. The only thing to remember is that Canadian boxes are 16-5/8" or 16- 1/2" wide - not 16" like the US standard. Why? Dunno. Seems really dumb to me. And one mfr. in Canada still uses 7/8" thick lumber -- not 3/4" like everyone else. Why? Dunno. (etc.) allen --- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package bees, winter loss, fondant, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping, splitting, raising queens, AFB, varroa, protein patties, moving bees, pollination experiences, daily grumblings and more... Thousands served... -- ---- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp problem Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:52:18 -0700 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8okhb1$18b$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <8n3uq3$22to$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 967690401 1291 204.216.255.92 (31 Aug 2000 02:53:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26726 Thanks, I will give it a try and let you know how it goes. Dave "Steve Watkins" wrote in message news:GRhq5.3554$EB2.84435@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... > Hello Dave > > Hornets are the big carnivoire in England and I have seen the exact > behaviour you mention. We leave traps around but to be honest I am not sure > what difference it makes. We catch alot but there are always more arriving. > We have been plagued by German wasps this year (mild winter) and the bees > are having a job defending their hives. If you want to make a trap just > pour some waste beer and jam into a big jar, pour warm water in give it a > stir and punch a 1cm hole in the lid & watch em drown. Obviously don't use > sugar or honey for this attracts your own bees into "the jar of doom". > > Regards. > > Steve, Shropshire, England. > > Article 26727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steven" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Datura Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:57:19 -0500 Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: tnt1-082083.kc.sound.net Message-ID: <39ad1144@thunder.sound.net> X-Trace: 30 Aug 2000 08:51:00 -0600, tnt1-082083.kc.sound.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.msen.com!nntp1.savvis.net!thunder.sound.net!tnt1-082083.kc.sound.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26727 Hi All, I have noticed some of my bees gathering nectar from Jimson weed (Datura). Is this something to be concerned with? Thanks, Steven Article 26728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Aug 2000 14:39:25 GMT References: <39ad1144@thunder.sound.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Datura Message-ID: <20000830103925.24252.00000089@nso-fu.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26728 In article <39ad1144@thunder.sound.net>, "Steven" writes: > > I have noticed some of my bees gathering nectar from Jimson weed (Datura). >Is this something to be concerned with? I dont know. But I do remember once digging thru the stacks of old Gleanings and ran across a series of letters over a series of several months on honey from poisionous plants. One gent wrote, after the mountain laurel bloomed, his method was to feed some of the honey to his dog. If the dog did not go into convulsions within 30 min, it was ok to give some of the honey to his kids. So... Article 26729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Bill Wallace Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Double queen hive Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:06:56 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 65 Message-ID: <39ADE7F0.5AF4032A@winco.net> References: <39AAF4D4.D75C2121@kusd.edu> <39AC8860.12ECADF4@kusd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 967698179 359317 207.144.202.171 (31 Aug 2000 05:02:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:02:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26729 The september issue of American Bee Journal has a good write up on a two queen setup Tim Fulton wrote: > Dear George, > Thank you for your reply. Creating a nuc was my original though, thought, but > since I had disturbed the hive four days in a row, without finding the queen, > the bees and I were becoming rather incompatible. I'm into the project now and > would appreciate any other thoughts on the subject. I think I could go ahead > and pull some frames and create a nuc at this stage without harm, but was > curious about a double queen hive. Any other thoughts? > > T. Fulton > > George Styer wrote: > > > What your friend neglected to tell you was that at some time during the > > winter, one of the queens will end up on the wrong side of the excluder > > relative to the cluster and perish. I am not clear from your post exactly > > what you have attempted. First you say you found the queen and then that she > > eluded you for 2 days? At any rate the method you have chosen is not what I > > would advise. I would take that 3rd box and add 3 of 4 frames of brood with > > adhering bees to create a nuc and introduce the caged queen into this. Once > > the nuc has accepted her and she is laying, you can destroy the old queen > > and immediately introduce the 3 or 4 frames along with the queen to the > > originating hive. Forget the wintergreen and other subversive tactics and go > > with what works with their biology. I've got to believe that wintergreen is > > like being maced. > > > > -- > > Geo > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > > "Tim Fulton" wrote in message > > news:39AAF4D4.D75C2121@kusd.edu... > > > I decided to requeen two of my hives this fall. The both came lively > > > and healthy and I was able to find the queen, dispose of her and install > > > the new queen the next day without incident, BUT the queen was able to > > > allude me two days in a row. I Made an extra cage of screen wire and > > > placed the new queen the new queen in he hive in an attempt to draw her > > > up and catch her, but two attempts at this plan also failed. I was > > > about to sell the new queen and wait until next spring when a friend > > > suggested I try doubling up with two queens since lots of bees were just > > > emerging. OK, I put a queen excluder on tope of the second hive body > > > and put a third hive on that with drawn foundation. I than hosed down > > > my ladies with sugar syrup, laced with cherry flavor and winter green > > > oil to disorient their smellers and put the new queen in the top box > > > with cork out and hole punch in the candy plug. I plan on not messing > > > with the hive for at least 7 days and hope for the best. If this > > > program works and both queens are OK next spring I can again try and > > > find the old queen, remove her and let the new queen take over, via the > > > news paper trick, OR leave them alone to do their thing. My question > > > is, how does on manage swarm control with this system? I would just a > > > soon keep things as simple as possible, but this is interesting. What > > > would you advise. > > > > > > Tim in Southern Wisconsin > > > > > Article 26730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Bill Wallace Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: blowers Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:10:39 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <39ADE8CF.7223E1BE@winco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 967698407 361082 207.144.202.171 (31 Aug 2000 05:06:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:06:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26730 Just used a bee blower from Dadant & Sons it took for ever to clear the bees out of the super any tricks to using the blower or is this just how it is. Article 26731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 31 Aug 2000 05:53:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beeswax and soap Message-ID: <20000831015328.11711.00000934@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26731 From: "Lucy" lucychic@earthlink.net >Can anyone please share a simple recipe for making soap with beeswax and or >honey products? Elaine White is THE authority on such formulas: http://members.aol.com/oelaineo/soapmaking.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 26732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa knockdown Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:43:23 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8oluva$b50$1@news.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p79-tnt4.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26732 i've heard that tobacco smoke is effective in getting a good knockdown of varroa onto a sticky board to check the presence/level of infestation. ther used to be a nicotine spray called blackleaf 40, but it's no longer on the market. anyone know of any other nicotine type products which give effective knockdown? cheers, mark Article 26733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39AEBC42.63A2@wp.bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: blowers References: <39ADE8CF.7223E1BE@winco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:12:50 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 967752972 147.226.103.42 (Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:16:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:16:12 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26733 Bill Wallace wrote: > > Just used a bee blower from Dadant & Sons it took for ever to clear the > bees out of the super any tricks to using the blower or is this just how > it is. Bill, I use a blower and have a method that I think is the fastest way to clear the bees out. My guess is that Bee Go is a much quicker method of removing the bees. The supers are removed and the hive roof is turned over near the hive. The super is turned on the side and air is blown from the bottom of the frame to the top. Most of the bees land on the roof and can be dumped back at the hive entrance. It may take a couple minutes of blowing for each super. I will rotate the super 180 degrees during the process. Most of the bees are removed and then the super is put on the truck and covered with a beetight lid. When the supers are out of the apiary a second blowing is performed to remove the few bees that I left in from the first bee blowing. For me this is a tiring task. Hope this helps. Dale, Indiana Article 26734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39AEBE61.EF489F9A@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa knockdown References: <8oluva$b50$1@news.ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:21:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.162 X-Trace: news1.atl 967753352 209.214.198.162 (Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:22:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:22:32 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26734 Aren't you afraid that the Blackleaf 40 nicotine based product would knockdown the bees too since it was marketed as an insecticide and not a miticide? Bill m12345 wrote: > i've heard that tobacco smoke is effective in getting a good knockdown of > varroa onto a sticky board to check the presence/level of infestation. > > ther used to be a nicotine spray called blackleaf 40, but it's no longer on > the market. anyone know of any other nicotine type products which give > effective knockdown? > > cheers, mark Article 26735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beefarmer@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: blowers Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:23:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8olio1$85v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39ADE8CF.7223E1BE@winco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 31 12:23:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.100.169.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeefarmer Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26735 I normally use beego then blow the remainders out. In article <39ADE8CF.7223E1BE@winco.net>, Bill Wallace wrote: > Just used a bee blower from Dadant & Sons it took for ever to clear the > bees out of the super any tricks to using the blower or is this just how > it is. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive splitting Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:33:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8omtgl$tsc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.169.102.87 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Sep 01 00:33:26 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.169.102.87 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2smart2late Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26736 Some of a friends hives are splitting, there is plenty of room in hive body and super. I always thought the split was in early summer NOT this late in year. We live in N.W. Pa.,the golden rod in some areas have already gone the other way....I'm just learning ,plus I have a purchased package of 3#. Should I be concerned of a split too ??? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive splitting Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:32:39 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <39AF0737.E97F9426@kingston.net> References: <8omtgl$tsc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: beemann@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26737 Do you mean swarming?? Kent Article 26738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.133.83!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive Dimensions Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:09:55 -0500 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <115uqsksup1b67rdt6cd3e91t2j2nsf7dk@4ax.com> References: <967658574.568592@neptune.uniserve.ca> <8ok8rn$plj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.133.83 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 967777796 11866102 216.167.133.83 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26738 >The only thing to remember is that Canadian boxes are 16-5/8" or 16- >1/2" wide - not 16" like the US standard. This little factoid has caused me a lot of hassle. I bought, some years ago, from a supplier in Canada (Chrysler, not there anymore) a 'life's time supply' of these superior frame spacers, they were stamped out of sturdy grade galvanized steel. (no one has ever sold anything close to that design since) The division spaces between the notches (for the frames) were equal up to the end of the frame spacer; in other words, there was the same space on both sides of the spacer for each frame, even the last frames next to the sides of the box. By having to use American boxes, one has to 'grind down' the two end spacers to something that will hardly allow enough room for a bee to use the outside space between the last frame and the side of the hive box, not to mention the tedium of having to do this. >Why? Dunno. Seems really dumb to me. It's the Harvard Business School..basically they teach this: Increase 'productivity' while reducing labour cost, standards, and quality for the sake of profits. This is the American way. >And one mfr. in Canada still uses 7/8" thick lumber -- not 3/4" like >everyone else. Why? Dunno. (etc.) Only one left..well that's nice to know there is still one. In America he would already have long been out of business. Lumber is supposed to be cut by quarters; what we're talking about here is 4 quarters equals one inch. When you run it through the planer you take off a sixteenth on both sides. Harvard business school says by cutting wood at 7/8 at the mill,you can save a zillion board feet of lumber that can then be sold for more profits. The consumer won't know he's paying for 4 quarters when he's only getting 3. Trust that an MBA will have them cut 7/8 at the mill and plane to 3 and call it "one inch." Ever measure a 2X4 ? Check out old lumber dimensions from houses built before the 1960's..check out your Hershey bar, your 'pound' of coffee. (some have 11 ounces, some 12, and some even 13..wow!) It is also notable to see that this skimping on dimensions hasn't saved our forest for future generations. Ever try to buy any 'sugar pine?' only the finest white pine there ever was, smelled like perfume when you cut it. I bet it's extinct. Now it's 'white wood' (fir) and ponderosa, a more unsuitable wood for beehives there ever was. C.K. Article 26739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.133.85!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Datura Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:11:54 -0500 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <39ad1144@thunder.sound.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.133.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 967774314 11585774 216.167.133.85 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26739 >I have noticed some of my bees gathering nectar from Jimson weed (Datura). Is this the celebrated Jimson weed from that famous song, sic. "...where the Longhorn cattle feed on the lowly Jimson weed.." I guess if it's alright for Longhorns pilgrim it's alright for your bees. C.K. Article 26740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.133.85!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:24:38 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <39A68F7B.221E@wp.bsu.edu> <0c8gqss4jifb8vhdvgjs5k5v6bv4oggd7o@4ax.com> <39aa6315.1639420687@west.usenetserver.com> <8ojes5$sh5$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.133.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 967775078 11376430 216.167.133.85 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26740 >UK regulations would not permit the sale of unstrained honey with insect >debris left in it. The British even in India would not buy the local honey just because the Indians had this practice of preserving the dead in barrels of honey (a sterling thing to do if you have no refrigeration in a hot climate) until arrangements could be made at which time the corpus was removed from the honey and the honey was then sold at market as usual. Insect debris in your honey is nothing. Mexicans have long known the value of demonstrating purity graphically by leaving a worm in the bottom of a bottle of Tequila. Modern humans with their suburban sensibilities will draw back at the sight of a dead bee in the top of their honey, but think nothing of poisons in their water and air. Stupid is as Stupid does. C.K. Article 26741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa knockdown Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:17:17 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8ongp5$jnu$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8oluva$b50$1@news.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-122.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 967788133 20222 62.136.16.122 (1 Sep 2000 06:02:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 2000 06:02:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26741 Also knocks down bees - nicotine is an insecticide. Was used initially in UK by MAFF, but stopped after bee farmers reported heavy losses. "m12345" wrote in message news:8oluva$b50$1@news.ihug.co.nz... > i've heard that tobacco smoke is effective in getting a good knockdown of > varroa onto a sticky board to check the presence/level of infestation. > > ther used to be a nicotine spray called blackleaf 40, but it's no longer on > the market. anyone know of any other nicotine type products which give > effective knockdown? > > cheers, mark > >