Article 33005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Mite thresholds X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D49473A.162FE814@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:35:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33005 Group, Been putting sticky boards under my screened bottoms to check mites and was wondering what everyone considers to be the threshold 24 hour mite drop for treatment. If I get 50 or more in 24 hours I take the hive out of production and treat with apistan. Is this proper? So far 2 out of 7 fit this criteria. Otherwise, I wait until October, after the flows are done for the year. Thanks, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 33006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: otto.slavik@gems9.gov.bc.ca (Otto) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: purple loosestrife Date: 1 Aug 2002 13:34:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.22.16.53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028234076 2447 127.0.0.1 (1 Aug 2002 20:34:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2002 20:34:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33006 ...does anyone have any experience with this plant?...How does it rate as a source of nectar? pollen?....what does the honey looks like? color? taste? crystalization....Thanks...O Article 33007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <4nm29.19199$Kl6.1207655@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:45:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.128.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1028256320 12.81.128.43 (Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:45:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:45:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33007 Don't know about Vaseline, but why do they need to be clean. I just scrape them with a hive tool and then use a wire brush before I put them on. I don't bother trying to fight with the bees urge to burr them up once they are on. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:tQX19.49750$Hj3.147163@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > G, day Folks, > Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is > still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the > excluder, is this correct? > Malcolm > > Article 33008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:50:37 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <4nm29.19199$Kl6.1207655@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.20.3f.d7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 2 Aug 2002 04:59:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33008 I use a hot pressure washer. I quit putting them in the solar melter first, they can get very hardened burnt slumgum on them. Article 33009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: purple loosestrife Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:00:32 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-XsJmPiQEfjrP4sYykz2JeLF3Vcnc4Wq8nUu4UGKUoQcGsqgSVLB5PrgTOmTG4zUpjVla6i3JYJsurEB!eqnfRPKVwIny/cq8qGizGDbnvT4XIZNVq81fBHoSDHCyj50i0ITX1FkWEkyuAi7s38mBv+fT8N5Q!WG5n/NfGhnC6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 05:00:32 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!64.245.249.27.MISMATCH!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!ord2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33009 "Otto" wrote > ...does anyone have any experience with this plant?...How does it rate > as a source of nectar? pollen?....what does the honey looks like? > color? taste? crystalization....Thanks...O There are several good URLs on purple loosestrife, one of the better ones is http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/purple/ although none that I am aware of covers the nectar/pollen aspect. We have it here in the county but not close enough to us for me to have any personal experience with it as a bee plant. I have heard that it does provide the makings for an excellent honey but I have never seen any that could be attributed to it. If you are considering introducing it into your area be aware that it has been declared an noxious plant in many states (assuming you are located in the US) and is not only illegal to propagate, but also your responsibility to control if found growing on your property. Be careful what you wish for... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:36:58 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <4nm29.19199$Kl6.1207655@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1028288249 37848744 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33010 I normally wait until winter to clean them up. When I have to fire up my torpedo heater to warm up the shop I will hold the excluders about 12 inches from it letting the wax melt off and drop to sheet of tin on the floor. Works really quick and cleans the excluders up nicely also nice to scrap it off the tin and melt into candles. OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html "Oliver Frank" wrote in message news:aid3k2$fdb$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net... > I use a hot pressure washer. I quit putting them in the solar melter > first, they can get very hardened burnt slumgum on them. > Article 33011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D49473A.162FE814@boeing.com> Subject: Re: Mite thresholds Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1028301685 24.62.89.183 (Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:21:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:21:25 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:21:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33011 "Billy Smart" wrote in message news:3D49473A.162FE814@boeing.com... > Group, > > Been putting sticky boards under my screened bottoms to check mites and > was wondering what everyone considers to be the threshold 24 hour mite > drop for treatment. If I get 50 or more in 24 hours I take the hive out > of production and treat with apistan. Is this proper? So far 2 out of 7 > fit this criteria. Otherwise, I wait until October, after the flows are > done for the year. When I asked this question here a couple of years ago, I got advice that going a little over 100 for 24hr required quick treatment. -Steve Article 33012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: purple loosestrife Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1028301923 24.62.89.183 (Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:25:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:25:23 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:25:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33012 "Otto" wrote in message news:f5b58f10.0208011234.2d1bfb5b@posting.google.com... > ...does anyone have any experience with this plant?...How does it rate > as a source of nectar? pollen?....what does the honey looks like? > color? taste? crystalization....Thanks...O We have lots of it around here... anywhere there's wetlands is an ocean of purple this time of year. Fantastic source of nectar - our bees make lots of honey. It's relatively dark and strong tasting, but is very sweet. I like it. YMMV. Haven't had crystalization problems. -Steve (Massachusetts, US) Article 33013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:34:21 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.204 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1028312690 144.134.81.204 (Sat, 03 Aug 2002 04:24:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 04:24:50 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33013 G,day Folks, Thanks for the replies, very helpful. Malcolm "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:tQX19.49750$Hj3.147163@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > G, day Folks, > Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is > still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the > excluder, is this correct? > Malcolm > > Article 33014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peem" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis question Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:02:10 +0200 Organization: news.onet.pl Lines: 10 Sender: sdmrules@poczta.onet.pl@212.191.160.225 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.191.160.225 X-Trace: news.onet.pl 1028318524 2169 212.191.160.225 (2 Aug 2002 20:02:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@onet.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2002 20:02:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!isdnet!news.internetia.pl!news.nask.pl!news.cyf-kr.edu.pl!agh.edu.pl!news.agh.edu.pl!news.onet.pl!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33014 > The question is how does propolis production affects hive > resources on production of honey? It doesnt affects production of honey. P. Article 33016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: no surplus???? Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 01:20:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.222 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028337634 216.26.16.222 (Fri, 02 Aug 2002 18:20:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 18:20:34 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33016 Ok I got my new queens today and I went to put them in.. when I was putting the queen in the strongest of the 3 hives I saw a ton of bees on the lower supper.. so I pulled the middle frame and about 50% was capped then I notice a large group of larve... I think I found my queen.... so I moved that super between the 3 deeps... and I did not put a queen in that hive.... I put one in my middle hive and one in the very week hive... I dought the last hive will make it there is almost no honey storage and there is hardly any bees in the hive... this hive is weird... I had a extra deep that I had sitting aside with 2 supers of drawn comb and capped honey on top of it.. Well I Thought they were robbing the hoeny so Moved the supers but alot of the bees stayed in the deep.. they are still there after aout 2 weeks with no honey... I just put another empty super of it that had a few cells of capped honey for them... that super is almost empty but they don't have anything more... I think Ill start feedint them some sugar water and see if they accept the new queen... if they do then I Ill keep giving them sugar water and see if the make it.. I have very little hope for them but who knows....If they don't acept the queen Ill do that news paper thing and see if I can get the 2 weeker hives togeather. provided my other hive will accept the queen I gave her....if not then Im going to be down to 1 hive next spring... I am going to defently plan to buid more sups and deeps this wintrer.... Brian Salem Oregon http://www.wuffman.com Article 33017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Downey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Caught a large spider Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:23:06 -0400 Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: newppp25.ts4-2.newportnews.visi.net (209.96.232.217) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1028348583 36909864 209.96.232.217 (16 [150959]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!newppp25.ts4-2.newportnews.visi.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33017 Spider body is 1.5 inches long body is smoothly contoured tan in color has an elongated long thick abdomen Top of the abdomen is striped with a thick central black stripe on each side is a thin yellow stipe It runs very fast and rears up, its front legs are very much longer than the rest Any ideas what it is and is it dangerous? I found this in Virginia Article 33018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sourwood Honey Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad25ee.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1028397124 10741 128.173.37.238 (3 Aug 2002 17:52:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:52:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33018 In article <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain>, louise@atlas.localdomain says... > >Is anyone in the sourwood area getting any good sourwood honey? I >checked my two hives today; one is full and capped and the other is full >but not yet capped. Since I didn't get any spring honey, this is great >news! > >Louise It is indeed good news. How do you verify that the honey is sourwood? I just returned a week ago from a week in a rented cottage near Murphy in SW NC. Blooming sourwood was everywhere, but so was blooming staghorn sumac. It appeared to me the bees were mainly working the sumac. In my yard in SW VA I have a lone sourwood (planted) tree. My bees never touch it. I produce a pretty good crop of light colored honey at this time, but it does not taste like sourwood and I do not know what it is, I note that shops all over the NC-TN-VA mountains sell "sourwood honey" but much of it is very dark, almost like poplar honey. How much that is sold as sourwood is actually that? > >-- >Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any >n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn > | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad25ee.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1028397432 10741 128.173.37.238 (3 Aug 2002 17:57:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:57:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33019 In article , perree@bigpond.com says... > >G, day Folks, >Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is >still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the >excluder, is this correct? >Malcolm > Why do any of that?. My understanding is that the bees are more likely to work through an excluder that has been conditioned. If it is more than 50% closed by wax or badly gunked you can clear it with a few passes of the hive tool. Article 33020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:50:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028407831 216.26.16.65 (Sat, 03 Aug 2002 13:50:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 13:50:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33020 Yah I was told that after the honey store is over to just put the queen excluder between the lid and the top hive box so you don't get them mixed up with other excluders from other hives. I guess the bees don't like that very much. I also was reading in Julys eddition of American Bee jornel there is a great articale about cleaning hive frames and hive boxes by boiling them with lye... I think they use Lye to kill mites and AFB. They also say it breakes up the polis and all the loose paint, they rinse them well and paint as needed.... they also toss in the Queen excluders too... I am asuming they meen the metal ones.. I have the plastic and don't think lye would be very good for them. Brian Salem Oregon http://www.wuffman.com "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:aih5hm$afl$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article , perree@bigpond.com > says... > > > >G, day Folks, > >Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is > >still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the > >excluder, is this correct? > >Malcolm > > > Why do any of that?. My understanding is that the bees are more likely to > work through an excluder that has been conditioned. If it is more than 50% > closed by wax or badly gunked you can clear it with a few passes of the hive > tool. > > > > > Article 33021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drought Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:40:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03> <310720021027108638%honey@toasty.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33021 Interesting, Alans Diary Page http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Diary/ has him projecting he will get 48 lbs/hive this year; sounds like it will change since they are early on in extracting. Lots of fun to follow if you have the time though...... I'm glad I don't have to work like that for a living. How farmers (I spent time on a small dairy farm, so I've seen the life up close) do it is about as mysterious as how the bees do it. nuf pondered. "No Honey on My Toast" wrote in message news:310720021027108638%honey@toasty.com... > Many of the Alberta bee keepers are suffering from the extended drought > as well. > > http://edmonton.cbc.ca/template/servlet/View?filename=dk_07312002 > > Read the details if you are interested. Article 33022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Darren Liddell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wild bees nest and wasps..help Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:34:14 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.105.120.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1028464392 213.105.120.213 (Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:33:12 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:33:12 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33022 Hello, I was wondering if any one could offer some advice... We've recently moved into a new house, in the garden there's a bird box, which is actually occupied by bees nest. We don't mind the bees but I've observed wasps sometimes flying into the nest. Do bees and wasps live together? or do you think the wasps are trying to take over the nest? Any advice would be gratefully received Darren. Article 33023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Vernon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mead from bad tasting honey Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:43:38 -0500 Organization: laserlink.net Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> <3D43952C.FE30347@hcis.net> X-Trace: news.laserlink.net 1028471789 8805 65.142.72.102 (4 Aug 2002 14:36:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@laserlink.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!ply1.onvoy!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33023 By all means yes. The honey you don't like eating can be very nice to drink. If you have old dark honey that is too strong tasting for table use the extra flavor improves the mead. > But seriously folks, would it be advantageous to use less than ideal tasting > honey for mead or cyser making instead of for culinary usage? Being of > sober and upstanding morals I have no experience with such brewing, but does > anyone know if the flavor of the honey used is carried over to the end > product? > > Gotta admit, Goldenrod Mead, or Goldenrod Cyser both sort of have a ring to > them... > > Skip > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Vernon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Star Thistle Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:59:21 -0500 Organization: laserlink.net Lines: 10 Message-ID: X-Trace: news.laserlink.net 1028472666 10019 65.142.72.102 (4 Aug 2002 14:51:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@laserlink.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33024 I noticed someone say earlier that Star Thistle makes really good bee forage. Then I do a search and find all links for "Yellow Star Thistle Eradication". Is Star Thistle really a good bee forage and if so, can it really be that bad? Thanks Robert in central TX, USA Article 33025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Vernon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild bees nest and wasps..help Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:30:51 -0500 Organization: laserlink.net Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: news.laserlink.net 1028474556 12579 65.142.72.102 (4 Aug 2002 15:22:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@laserlink.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33025 Wasps eat insects. I suspect they are feeding on your bees or at least trying to. "Darren Liddell" wrote in message news:ca939.1396$aa5.65469@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net... > Hello, > > I was wondering if any one could offer some advice... > > We've recently moved into a new house, in the garden there's a bird box, > which is actually occupied by bees nest. We don't mind the bees but I've > observed wasps sometimes flying into the nest. > > Do bees and wasps live together? or do you think the wasps are trying to > take over the nest? > > Any advice would be gratefully received > > Darren. > > Article 33026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Lindstrom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic Acid Treatment Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:46:44 -0400 Organization: Navix Internet Subscribers Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net> Reply-To: jcrocket@alltel.net NNTP-Posting-Host: h166-102-242-096.ip.alltel.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: iac5.navix.net 1028478961 26441 166.102.242.96 (4 Aug 2002 16:36:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@navix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 2002 16:36:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.navix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33026 I'm getting ready to try the oxalic acid approach to varroa control. I've read some of the recent research--that done in Denmark using drip and spray methods, also checked the bee-l archives on the subject. What I'm a little concerned about is the strength of the oxalic acid itself. In the Danish experiments they operated on 1 liter to 30 grams. This is easy enough to manage, but are all oxalic acid crystals created equal? I suspect not, but I am not a chemist (just an English teacher). Does anyone have any insight into this? Has anyone out there used the commercially available forms of oxalic acid, usually marketed at "wood bleach"? I discovered very quickly that not all "wood bleach" is oxalic acid. Any insights would be appreciated. Jim Lindstrom Oak Forest, PA Article 33027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Improved performance in Bidata Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:25:33 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3d4d6526$0$89549$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.115 X-Trace: 1028482342 dread04.news.tele.dk 89549 195.215.97.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33027 Entering /and leaving the quickentry form is now heavily improved. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatanew.zip the above only includes the executable file and is only 1.5MB to take down -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 27-05-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 33028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: free hivenote software from apimo Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:31:47 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3d4d6526$1$89549$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.115 X-Trace: 1028482342 dread04.news.tele.dk 89549 195.215.97.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.162.153.118!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33028 I have put op a free software that will bee able to print out a hivenote card. Items are predefined but you can change everything except from the layout, which is a list layout. http://apimo.dk/programs/beekeeping_hivenote.zip size only 500kb -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 27-05-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 33029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 61 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:09:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028484563 209.204.149.194 (Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:09:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:09:23 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33029 In article , "Robert Vernon" wrote: > I noticed someone say earlier that Star Thistle makes really good bee > forage. Then I do a search and find all links for "Yellow Star Thistle > Eradication". Is Star Thistle really a good bee forage and if so, can it > really be that bad? > > > Thanks > Robert in central TX, USA > > It's *GREAT* bee forage. It's a *HORRIBLY* invasive imported plant - It'll take over a field to the exclusion of everything else in what seems like days (though to be fair, a total "turnover" to star thistle takes a couple years - it's not *QUITE* as bad as Kudzu in that respect) And unlike Kudzu, there's nothing useful to be done with it other than letting bees play in it. It's chemically toxic to horses, as well as being an actual physical (inch-plus long spines that are nearly as strong as an actual steel needle make for serious mouth/gut problems as they try to eat it - fortunately, most horses avoid it if there's anything else available) threat to them. Cows will eat around it (opening up the turf for next year's generation to spread even wider from the original plant) Goats and sheep won't touch it. (At least, the ones we've got won't) Spraying won't kill it at anything resembling a reasonable level. Burning, unless it's a super-hot fire (and in places that are overrun with the stuff, the fire just won't *GET* super-hot) only seems to HELP the stuff. It just wilts back for a few days, then continues on its merry way, only the patch is going to grow by a HUGE amount next season, as the seeds from the burned crop will be the first thing that takes off, crowding out everything else. When you get right down to it, it's basically a "good idea gone bad" - Much like Kudzu, which was imported into Georgia and Florida for erosion control back in the 30s, there was a good reason behind bringing it in - Save the California beekeepers way back when. The idea was to give their bees something to forage on during the hottest part of the summer. And it worked. But also like Kudzu, nobody realized (or if they did, they ignored the problem) how invasive the stuff is, so, once again, like Kudzu, it's become a fairly serious problem. I've read a few things that say that it has some natural "enemies" back in the mediterranean area it originally came from, and work is being done in regards to the wisdom of importing some of those critters/germs/etc. in an effort to knock it back, but so far, I haven't seen/heard anything about actually DOING it. Which is probably wise... We've already got one imported species running amok - do we REALLY want to add another one to the mix, especially in an area so dependent on farming? The cure might well end up being worse than the disease... They just don't know yet. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild bees nest and wasps..help Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:09:39 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1132.caterpie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1028530071 23039 217.135.61.108 (5 Aug 2002 06:47:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2002 06:47:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33030 If they are in a small bird box then I suspect that the bees are bumble bees (i.e. round fluffy ones). If so, then the nest will die out by the early autumn. The wasps are probably trying to rob the bumble bee nest. If the bees are honeybees, then it is likely that this is a very small swarm (which beekeepers - I am assuming that you are not one - call a cast) and is unlikely to survive the winter. If you are worried, why not call your local beekeeping association; find them on: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/Links.htm -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Darren Liddell" wrote in message news:ca939.1396$aa5.65469@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net... > Hello, > > I was wondering if any one could offer some advice... > > We've recently moved into a new house, in the garden there's a bird box, > which is actually occupied by bees nest. We don't mind the bees but I've > observed wasps sometimes flying into the nest. > > Do bees and wasps live together? or do you think the wasps are trying to > take over the nest? > > Any advice would be gratefully received > > Darren. > > Article 33031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03> Subject: Re: Drought Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <6Av39.15329$nc.1146990@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 14:02:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.59.23.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028556162 65.59.23.83 (Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:02:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:02:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33031 I keep mine just outside of Golden. Surprisingly, I am having the best year ever. I onl usually keep one colony. From one colony, I have take almost 100 lbs this year and they are still putting it away! Like I said, I am surprised. Maybe since they are near a town, they benefit from irrigation. I have one other colony started from a package this spring. It's building up nicely. Hopefully I won't get any bear visits. George Lakewood, CO "CVSoderquist" wrote in message news:#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03... > Things are kinda dry here in Colorado. I keep 12 hives on the plains just > east of Denver on a ranch > with 140 acres of alfalfa and sweet clover, that is when it rains. This > year the sweet clover bloomed > when it was 3" high and the alfalfa just didn't bother > to come up. I had one hive starve out in May and the others seem to be just > holding on. Looks as though there will be no surplus this year. Maybe the > price of honey will go up! > > > Article 33032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Denver CO area? Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 14:02:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.59.23.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028556167 65.59.23.83 (Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:02:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:02:47 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33032 FD: I live in Lakewood and keep my bees on someone's property outside of Golden. Despite the drought, I am having the best year ever. Took 100 lbs from one colony (I only have 2), and they are still putting it away. They are Buckfast bees from R Weaver in TX. First time I have tried them and I like the reaults. Queen is in second year and they did not attempt to swarm and as I mentioned, I have never gotten so much surplus from on colony in this location. I saw an article recently about bees starving in CO this year. I guess I have a "sweet" location. I don't much special for wintering other than reducing entrances, making sure they have plenty of food, medicating, mite treatment, etc. George "FD" wrote in message news:47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com... > Hello: > I live in the SW Denver area and am looking for fellow local > beekeepers to obtain pointers specific to the area, with its difficult > conditions. > Specifically, hive choices, bee races/hybrid, cold winter issues, very > hot summer issues, short season/low flower count issues... > Thanks > FD > "Logic has made me hated among men" - Pierre Abelard du Palet > Article 33033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 5 Aug 2002 07:07:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 38 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028556458 24205 127.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2002 14:07:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2002 14:07:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33033 Don Bruder wrote in message news: > It's *GREAT* bee forage. It can be.Some years there is no honey in it. > > > . Cows will eat around it I know of instances where it has been baled and fed back to cows for winter feed. > When you get right down to it, it's basically a "good idea gone bad" - > Much like Kudzu, which was imported into Georgia and Florida for erosion > control back in the 30s, there was a good reason behind bringing it in - > Save the California beekeepers way back when. The idea was to give their > bees something to forage on during the hottest part of the summer. And > it worked. But also like Kudzu, nobody realized (or if they did, they > ignored the problem) how invasive the stuff is, so, once again, like > Kudzu, it's become a fairly serious problem. To the best of my knowledge,it was brought in accidentally in the late 1800s with imported alfalfa seed.NOT by beekeepers. > > I've read a few things that say that it has some natural "enemies" back > in the mediterranean area it originally came from, and work is being > done in regards to the wisdom of importing some of those > critters/germs/etc. in an effort to knock it back, but so far, I haven't > seen/heard anything about actually DOING it. Which is probably wise... > We've already got one imported species running amok - do we REALLY want > to add another one to the mix, especially in an area so dependent on > farming? The cure might well end up being worse than the disease... They > just don't know yet. These 'non-native,imported,invasive' bugs were brought in and released all over Ca.several years ago.Cant see that they have done much. ---Mike Article 33034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 67 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:59:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028566771 209.204.149.244 (Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:59:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:59:31 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33034 In article <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com>, loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) wrote: > Don Bruder wrote in message news: > > It's *GREAT* bee forage. > > It can be.Some years there is no honey in it. > > . Cows will eat around it > > I know of instances where it has been baled and fed back to cows for > winter feed. I'd hate to taste the beef/milk from those cows. Seems to me it would probably be EXTREMELY bitter. Aside from that, we've got several fields around the area where cows are pastured, and in all of them, the "everything else grazable" is mowed right down to the ground in typical cow fashion, while the stands of star thistle are untouched. Dunno if it's a question of "undesirable unless there's nothing else", or what, but based on that, it's pretty clear to me cows don't want much of anything to do with the stuff. > > ignored the problem) how invasive the stuff is, so, once again, like > > Kudzu, it's become a fairly serious problem. > > To the best of my knowledge,it was brought in accidentally in the > late 1800s with imported alfalfa seed.NOT by beekeepers. Hmmm... That's an interesting tidbit. We've got a fellow who holds a position I can't quite decribe up here - He's not state, he's not county, he's not city, but somehow, he works with all three as some sort of go-between on livestock issues (including bees), and he tells me that it was first seen here in California in about 1928 as part of an effort to combat beekeepers being starved out by lack of a native "weed" that produced anything bee-useful during the drought months. Correct? Incorrect? I've got no way of knowing for certain, but it sounds at least reasonable. > > We've already got one imported species running amok - do we REALLY want > > to add another one to the mix, especially in an area so dependent on > > farming? The cure might well end up being worse than the disease... They > > just don't know yet. > > These 'non-native,imported,invasive' bugs were brought in and > released all over Ca.several years ago.Cant see that they have done > much. The specific one I'm thinking of is kinda like a weevil. Was just reading about work being done with it at UC-Davis, and the information that was there wasn't exactly worth starting a celebration over. The little critter doesn't seem to be either mobile enough or reproductively inclined enough to accomplish much in terms of control. My understanding of the mechanism is the weevil lays one or two eggs on/in a flower-head, the larva then proceeds to eat the developing seed-head, and in theory, cuts that plant off at that generation. In reality, they don't eat enough seed-heads to make them useful. "Denser populations of the bug *MIGHT* be more effective" (emphasis mine) was pretty much the last word on that one, but nobody was willing to say "yeah, time to start airdropping them by the planeload across the state". -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid Treatment Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:24:12 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-157.butterfree.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1028568252 4388 217.135.52.157 (5 Aug 2002 17:24:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2002 17:24:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33035 You need specify oxalic acid dihydrate. You may find this helpful for the drip method: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/VarroaTreatment.htm Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "James Lindstrom" wrote in message news:3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net... > I'm getting ready to try the oxalic acid approach to varroa control. > I've read some of the recent research--that done in Denmark using drip > and spray methods, also checked the bee-l archives on the subject. What > I'm a little concerned about is the strength of the oxalic acid itself. > In the Danish experiments they operated on 1 liter to 30 grams. This is > easy enough to manage, but are all oxalic acid crystals created equal? I > suspect not, but I am not a chemist (just an English teacher). Does > anyone have any insight into this? Has anyone out there used the > commercially available forms of oxalic acid, usually marketed at "wood > bleach"? I discovered very quickly that not all "wood bleach" is oxalic > acid. Any insights would be appreciated. > > Jim Lindstrom > Oak Forest, PA > Article 33036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Cara and Tom Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid Treatment Message-ID: <558uku4q3ofkp8okjqhtvoj1i9jjqriaum@4ax.com> References: <3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.254.48.71 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1028596241 12.254.48.71 (Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:10:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:10:41 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:10:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33036 Hi Jim, I am a very small (2 hive) hobby beekeeper and this spring I bought a vaporizer for oxalic acid from http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/. It is very reasonably priced (Canadian$), is simple to use, and very effective. Treated the 2 hives in late spring and still no sign of any Varroa as of late July. I highly recommend this product and the manufacturer is a long time beekeeper himself. Good Luck Tom Article 33037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purchasing Apilife Var Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:35:52 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1028612165 14137 203.96.192.152 (6 Aug 2002 05:36:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2002 05:36:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33037 Hello All I would like to purchase Apilife Var and / or Apiguard. Can anyone recommend are the best suppliers to purchase these products from on the net. There was a Beekeeper and researcher here to whom I sent some seeds to a few years back. if you are still reading this ng I have deleted your email address, I'd like to know how they're going Thanks Carmen Article 33038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D4D5A6E.B5D2199@alltel.net> <558uku4q3ofkp8okjqhtvoj1i9jjqriaum@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid Treatment Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3iJ39.461$km1.47624@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 05:39:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028612351 216.26.16.217 (Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:39:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:39:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33038 I heard abotu a new treat ment from a group of Canadian Sientists that is supose to be better tahn anythin on the market now..... Suposily it is so good that its aproved for organtic honey producers... I can't recall the name I think it started with a u..... not sure I was going to try it but i don't have any spare cash right now I sent it all to a fellow bee keeper.... I need to get something soon.. Brian Martin Salem Oregon http://www.wuffman.com "Cara and Tom Patterson" wrote in message news:558uku4q3ofkp8okjqhtvoj1i9jjqriaum@4ax.com... > Hi Jim, > > I am a very small (2 hive) hobby beekeeper and this spring I bought a > vaporizer for oxalic acid from http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/. > It is very reasonably priced (Canadian$), is simple to use, and very > effective. Treated the 2 hives in late spring and still no sign of > any Varroa as of late July. I highly recommend this product and the > manufacturer is a long time beekeeper himself. > > Good Luck > > Tom > > Article 33039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Normand Choinière" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wiring jigs Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:59:17 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.211.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1028642358 216.208.211.12 (Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:59:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:59:18 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33039 Anybody know where I can find a wiring jig on the Web? Thanks! Normand Choinière Article 33040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@firenet.ws (Freddie Cooke UK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: searching postings Date: 6 Aug 2002 16:29:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.108.238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028676589 19522 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2002 23:29:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 2002 23:29:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33040 Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific criteria? Article 33041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: searching postings Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:45:46 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-JTxug3cHnPu6m13AC2x+W/rYiuBrd+IEotV1CY5bQqq8V1TZrmuvPeCQeEHqNf8nJnY/I0gt5bCOWIc!uzmBgmIyBq0oFLKxsoCYEYzOkSngxNJrAOCm4xUfNisfJEJjqmAY3s+b3zfdInA1TcGtOnmlMxvP!QRn+wPUZ1SDu X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:45:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.11!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33041 "Freddie Cooke UK" wrote > Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific criteria? Go to http://groups.google.com/ and type in the search window sci.agriculture.beekeeping+whatever the criteria is what are looking for, i. e. sci.agriculture.beekeeping+tracheal mites. Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 6 Aug 2002 18:58:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 35 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028685503 28091 127.0.0.1 (7 Aug 2002 01:58:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 01:58:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33042 > > I'd hate to taste the beef/milk from those cows. Seems to me it would > probably be EXTREMELY bitter. Aside from that, we've got several fields > around the area where cows are pastured, and in all of them, the > "everything else grazable" is mowed right down to the ground in typical > cow fashion, while the stands of star thistle are untouched. Dunno if > it's a question of "undesirable unless there's nothing else", or what, > but based on that, it's pretty clear to me cows don't want much of > anything to do with the stuff. I just came from looking at a beeyard.When we first put bees in it several years ago it was solid thistle.The bees had to be set right in the thistle,there was no place free of it.The rancher ran cows in on it each spring until now there is only grass ,with 2 or 3 thistle plants.Thats it.A different rancher told me he cut hay that had a lot of thistle in it.When he fed it back that winter the cows nosed the grass out of the way to eat the thistle.I think they will eat the tender young plants if thats all they can find. tells me that > it was first seen here in California in about 1928 as part of an effort > to combat beekeepers being starved out by lack of a native "weed" that > produced anything bee-useful during the drought months. Correct? > Incorrect? I've got no way of knowing for certain, but it sounds at > least reasonable. Not to me.Im skeptical anyone would bring in thistle or anything else to help beekeepers.Anyway I think the man is incorrect.Thistle was definitely in the Sacramento valley before that.If I find time,I will try to find some references.Have to move bees tonight (to thistle ha!) ---Mike > > Article 33043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jason Apol" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Listserv Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:50:33 -0400 Organization: Triton Technologies, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-164.17.triton.net X-Trace: newsa.triton.net 1028689461 11578 216.65.164.17 (7 Aug 2002 03:04:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@triton.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:04:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.triton.net!192.168.5.5.MISMATCH!triton.net!newsfeeder.triton.net!newsa.triton.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33043 Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by Albany College in the late 90's. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Jason Apol Article 33044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Star Thistle Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:07:57 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-NSsrkv0Q0RMfhZUosiTaLAMTpRslte1WDxHcyCCMsju3homfYiT1duI3HvYoiX8si2OGoH+3u7tzPpW!FEqoHmvhtHAhjKOEHb5NIpesuP/4utk8bvwAC4MusW/iNwP1tfCDObp/TCnbbUJOd/sjOijIu8om!6rVCzt345hk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 03:07:57 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.11!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33044 "Mike" wrote > I just came from looking at a beeyard.When we first put bees in it > several years ago it was solid thistle.The bees had to be set right in > the thistle,there was no place free of it.The rancher ran cows in on > it each spring until now there is only grass ,with 2 or 3 thistle > plants.Thats it.A different rancher told me he cut hay that had a lot > of thistle in it.When he fed it back that winter the cows nosed the > grass out of the way to eat the thistle.I think they will eat the > tender young plants if thats all they can find. > Not to me.Im skeptical anyone would bring in thistle or anything > else to help beekeepers.Anyway I think the man is incorrect.Thistle > was definitely in the Sacramento valley before that.If I find time,I > will try to find some references. Are you *sure* you are talking about *star* thistle? There are several different sub-species of thistles, but this one is pure evil. Check http://www.verde.org/starthistle.html Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Listserv Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 04:08:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.19.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028693282 216.26.19.164 (Tue, 06 Aug 2002 21:08:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 21:08:02 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33045 I know there is one on groups.yahoo.com but maybe one to post a month if your lucky... Ive been trying to find the Bee-L one but all the links I see are dead... so I guess that list also is dead... Brian "Jason Apol" wrote in message news:aiq2nk$b9q$1@newsa.triton.net... > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > Albany College in the late 90's. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jason Apol > > > Article 33046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil> From: Tsu Doh Nimh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Listserv References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 04:36:32 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!torn!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33046 Nope, Bee-L is still alive! I get the digest daily. http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/archives/bee-l.html Tsu "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > I know there is one on groups.yahoo.com but maybe one to post a month if > your lucky... Ive been trying to find the Bee-L one but all the links I see > are dead... so I guess that list also is dead... > > Brian > > "Jason Apol" wrote in message > news:aiq2nk$b9q$1@newsa.triton.net... > > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > > Albany College in the late 90's. > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jason Apol Article 33047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Listserv Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:52:01 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVavGs2GR72eUo+78UewKvjWyxNIABiCmq+xeCYyV6ScDQ0yo7u4Z37p X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 04:51:16 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33047 http://www.bee-l.com/index.html > From: "Jason Apol" > Organization: Triton Technologies, Inc. > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:50:33 -0400 > Subject: Listserv > > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > Albany College in the late 90's. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jason Apol > > Article 33048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 32 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:46:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028706415 209.204.149.247 (Wed, 07 Aug 2002 00:46:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 00:46:55 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33048 In article , "The Rock Garden" wrote: > "Mike" wrote > > > I just came from looking at a beeyard.When we first put bees in it > > several years ago it was solid thistle.The bees had to be set right in > > the thistle,there was no place free of it.The rancher ran cows in on > > it each spring until now there is only grass ,with 2 or 3 thistle > > plants.Thats it.A different rancher told me he cut hay that had a lot > > of thistle in it.When he fed it back that winter the cows nosed the > > grass out of the way to eat the thistle.I think they will eat the > > tender young plants if thats all they can find. > > > Not to me.Im skeptical anyone would bring in thistle or anything > > else to help beekeepers.Anyway I think the man is incorrect.Thistle > > was definitely in the Sacramento valley before that.If I find time,I > > will try to find some references. > > > Are you *sure* you are talking about *star* thistle? There are several > different sub-species of thistles, but this one is pure evil. Check > http://www.verde.org/starthistle.html Yep, that would most definitely be the stuff I'm talking about. Evil stuff, that. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Listserv Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:14:10 -0400 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1028726056 39966107 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33049 And there are numerous other bee related groups on groups.yahoo.com -- try searching different bee related terms to find them all (hint, beegees is not one of them ). Some are not very active, some are very much so. "Tsu Doh Nimh" wrote in message news:3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil... > Nope, Bee-L is still alive! I get the digest daily. > > http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/archives/bee-l.html > > Tsu > > > > "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > > > I know there is one on groups.yahoo.com but maybe one to post a month if > > your lucky... Ive been trying to find the Bee-L one but all the links I see > > are dead... so I guess that list also is dead... > > > > Brian > > > > "Jason Apol" wrote in message > > news:aiq2nk$b9q$1@newsa.triton.net... > > > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > > > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > > > Albany College in the late 90's. > > > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jason Apol Article 33050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lithar@hcis.net (AL) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Date: 7 Aug 2002 06:37:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <66a5a172.0208070537.2ea66516@posting.google.com> References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028727446 4456 127.0.0.1 (7 Aug 2002 13:37:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 13:37:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33050 "Me" wrote in message > I know the big boys in Canada try to catch their honey just before it's > capped. It's a lot less work if you don't have to uncap it. Yesterday I finally removed the remaining frames for extraction - it *is* a lot easier when it is not capped. Judging from the rpms required to sling it out and the viscosity as it flowed from the extractor I feel safe in saying it was fully cured. AL Article 33051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 7 Aug 2002 07:13:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028729597 6671 127.0.0.1 (7 Aug 2002 14:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 14:13:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33051 Honey Plants Of North America by John H. Lovell 1926 edition published by A.I.Root Co. Page 44 "Introduced into California about 25 years ago.it has spread over Sonoma ,Napa,Solano,Sutter,and a large part of Butte counties." A turn of the century beekeeper 'Migratory Graham' documents the spread of YST in Ca.in an issue of ABJ a few years ago (dont remember which issue). ---Mike Article 33052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jason Apol" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Listserv Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:54:22 -0400 Organization: Triton Technologies, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-170.253.triton.net X-Trace: newsa.triton.net 1028732885 21240 216.65.170.253 (7 Aug 2002 15:08:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@triton.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:08:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!triton.net!newsfeeder.triton.net!newsa.triton.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33052 Thanks! I could only find the list in Yahoo and the reading looked sparse. I appreciate the help from all of you. Regards! Jason Apol "Tsu Doh Nimh" wrote in message news:3D50A428.4164E888@not.a.real.address.mil... > Nope, Bee-L is still alive! I get the digest daily. > > http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/archives/bee-l.html > > Tsu > > > > "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > > > I know there is one on groups.yahoo.com but maybe one to post a month if > > your lucky... Ive been trying to find the Bee-L one but all the links I see > > are dead... so I guess that list also is dead... > > > > Brian > > > > "Jason Apol" wrote in message > > news:aiq2nk$b9q$1@newsa.triton.net... > > > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > > > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > > > Albany College in the late 90's. > > > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jason Apol Article 33053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 19 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:38:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028741903 209.204.149.194 (Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:38:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:38:23 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!easynews!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33053 In article <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com>, loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) wrote: > Honey Plants Of North America by John H. Lovell 1926 edition published > by A.I.Root Co. Page 44 "Introduced into California about 25 years > ago.it has spread over Sonoma ,Napa,Solano,Sutter,and a large part of > Butte counties." > A turn of the century beekeeper 'Migratory Graham' documents the > spread of YST in Ca.in an issue of ABJ a few years ago (dont remember > which issue). > ---Mike A nickel sez you can't cuess who's in Butte county. :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: searching postings Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:15:05 +0100 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-294.cruncher.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1028754960 5335 62.25.233.38 (7 Aug 2002 21:16:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 21:16:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33054 You may find this helpful: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/Links.htm#Discussion -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "The Rock Garden" wrote in message news:KcZ39.67769$yc3.2403890@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > "Freddie Cooke UK" wrote > > > Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific > criteria? > > > Go to http://groups.google.com/ and type in the search window > sci.agriculture.beekeeping+whatever the criteria is what are looking for, i. > e. sci.agriculture.beekeeping+tracheal mites. > > Skip > > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > Article 33055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I want to ask You! Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:13:05 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3d51b789$0$78194$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.111 X-Trace: 1028765577 dread06.news.tele.dk 78194 195.249.242.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.162.153.118!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33055 To those who downloaded the little beekeeping tool I announced. in the directory where you unzipped the tool and used it and if you have made changes and saved it, you will find a hivenote.txt. What I will ask you is to attach this file to me, so that I can look at it and get my brain working again. If you can put a comment on you changes, then it certainly will help me in my effort to make my software more adopted to the need of yours. In return I will give you an explanation to the configuration I have made. http://apimo.dk/programs/beekeeping_hivenote.zip only half a mb to download. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 04-05-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 33056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 7 Aug 2002 22:56:44 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208072156.33e1d7b8@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028786204 30708 127.0.0.1 (8 Aug 2002 05:56:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2002 05:56:44 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33056 Don Bruder wrote in message news: > A nickel sez you can't cuess who's in Butte county. :) Well, I know I will be in February. ---Mike Article 33057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208072156.33e1d7b8@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <_Lo49.4945$Ik.81136@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 07:06:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1028790394 209.204.149.214 (Thu, 08 Aug 2002 00:06:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 00:06:34 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33057 In article <993fd181.0208072156.33e1d7b8@posting.google.com>, loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) wrote: > Don Bruder wrote in message news: > > A nickel sez you can't cuess who's in Butte county. :) > > Well, I know I will be in February. > ---Mike Chasin' some almond blossoms, is we? :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 8 Aug 2002 07:47:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208080647.22e79ffd@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028818072 29577 127.0.0.1 (8 Aug 2002 14:47:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2002 14:47:52 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33058 "> > > Are you *sure* you are talking about *star* thistle? There are several > different sub-species of thistles, but this one is pure evil. Check > http://www.verde.org/starthistle.html > > Skip > Interesting.The newspaper article is kind of along the lines of the Killer Bee style of reporting using buzzwords like'evil', 'plague' , 'public plant enemy number one',etc.There are some facts in it such as using cows to graze it down when its young and tender.If you believe what it says,you would think you would bleed to death just walking through a field of it.I have been around this stuff all my life,it will scrach some but not that bad.There are ways to get rid of it but it isnt justified in a lot of areas it grows in because the land isnt being used.Around here it tends to compete with resin weed (a noxious native plant) that puts out poor flavored honey.I would like to see thistle replace all the resin weed!Or even better sweet clover to replace them both.But nature will take its course and we will just have to adapt(bee wise). ---Mike Article 33059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Star Thistle Date: 8 Aug 2002 09:40:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208080840.5e382ba1@posting.google.com> References: <993fd181.0208050607.65fb31a1@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208061758.4ed5b8ff@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208070613.2f044706@posting.google.com> <993fd181.0208072156.33e1d7b8@posting.google.com> <_Lo49.4945$Ik.81136@typhoon.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028824804 4613 127.0.0.1 (8 Aug 2002 16:40:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 2002 16:40:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33059 > > Chasin' some almond blossoms, is we? :) Yup Article 33060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D533DE0.C936DE02@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Treatment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:27:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1028874460 67.251.117.45 (Fri, 09 Aug 2002 02:27:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 02:27:40 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33060 What is the best source for information on the treatment of hives for mites, foulbrood, hive beetles, etc. in North Carolina (or the area)? Since this information changes from time to time, I would like an updated schedule for using the Apistan strips, Fumidil, Terramycin, etc. What is recommended and when? Thank you. Louise Adderholdt Hudson, North Carolina Article 33062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:35:34 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Sender: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: searching postings References: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-201-121.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1028918143 news.dial.pipex.com 8506 62.190.201.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33062 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@p osting.google.com>, entitled "searching postings", Freddie Cooke UK wrote >Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific criteria? The best way to search past postings in any newsgroup that I've found is to use the Google newsgroup search. It's been going a long time. It used to be called "Deja News" a while back, then "Deja", and now it's been bought up by Google. It hasn't suffered much, however, through it's various incarnations and is a very useful tool: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search If it's just postings from this group you're after, you would type in "sci.agriculture.beekeeping" (sans quotes) in the "Newsgroup" field. You can also search for messages within a certain period of time (i.e. only this year, or only in the past two months, or all the way back to 1981, supposedly). Very useful search tool for newsgroups. Kind regards, Kelly kelly anderson Article 33063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Normand Choinière" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic acid in Canada Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.211.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1028923743 216.208.211.13 (Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:09:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:09:03 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33063 I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at the opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable quantity (+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! Normand Choinière Article 33064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do we have any experts on UK pollen? Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:22:43 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-965.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1028924710 20789 62.25.167.197 (9 Aug 2002 20:25:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2002 20:25:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33064 I have recently noticed an unusual colour pollen in two of my apiaries, both in combs and on the varroa floor. The colour, a purple/blue, is an exact match for Campanula as shown in Dorothy Hodges 'Pollen Loads of the Honeybee', but the shape of the pollen grains is completely different from Campanula - the nearest that I can find is Sainfoin as shown in Rex Sawyer's 'Pollen Identification for Beekeepers'. The apiaries are about 3 miles apart, so could have worked the same source, and I suspect that it came in during late June/early July. Any thoughts would be welcome! Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 33065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: searching postings Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:07:43 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-965.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1028927264 22621 62.25.167.197 (9 Aug 2002 21:07:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2002 21:07:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33065 http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/sciagriculturebeekeeping_search.htm -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Kelly and Sandy" wrote in message news:cOt6$eA2tAV9EwGh@gsn04.dial.pipex.com... > In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter <3f552cec.0208061529.351365d3@p > osting.google.com>, entitled "searching postings", Freddie Cooke UK > wrote > > >Is there any means by which one may search past postings for specific criteria? > > The best way to search past postings in any newsgroup that I've found is > to use the Google newsgroup search. It's been going a long time. It > used to be called "Deja News" a while back, then "Deja", and now it's > been bought up by Google. It hasn't suffered much, however, through > it's various incarnations and is a very useful tool: > > http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search > > If it's just postings from this group you're after, you would type > in "sci.agriculture.beekeeping" (sans quotes) in the "Newsgroup" field. > You can also search for messages within a certain period of time (i.e. > only this year, or only in the past two months, or all the way back to > 1981, supposedly). > > Very useful search tool for newsgroups. > > Kind regards, > > Kelly > kelly anderson Article 33066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Walton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Do we have any experts on UK pollen? Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <4XX49.1772$DZ.183313@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:08:00 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.182.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1028934464 62.255.182.152 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:07:44 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:07:44 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33066 I've checked Steven Hardys "Pocket Pollen Colour Guide" for Purple/Blue pollen and the only thing that comes close is Field Poppy (Purple & Black depending on species) but it is probably a bit late in the year for it to be Poppy. Nothing else comes close. Article 33067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: palmbidatnew.zip Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:11:47 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3d547067$0$14373$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.73 X-Trace: 1028943975 dread06.news.tele.dk 14373 195.249.242.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33067 Palmbidata revised and a hotsynch error fixed. (Keyviolation removed). Http://apimo.dk/programs/palmbidatnew.zip -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 04-05-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 33068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Swarmcatcher Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen being introduced on Hivetool.com webcam Message-ID: <6at8lu8gvfm9s5a50fvpnjj0vr669l3qt6@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 22:04:16 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:07:43 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!64.152.100.70!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:819 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33068 Everyone, http://www.hivetool.com/webcam We requeened our LiveHive with a Buckfast queen this evening. The cage is hanging vertically in front of the camera but I'm not sure how much we will get to see since it is currently covered with workers. I'll run my local capture function so if anything interesting appears we can publish it later. Enjoy. -Barry Richards Article 33069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:19:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip149.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33069 On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400, "Normand Choinière" wrote: >I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at the >opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody >who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable quantity >(+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! > >Normand Choinière > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. beekeep Article 33070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 25 From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: National Honey Show - London - 14-16th November 2002 Message-ID: <1028992294.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:11:34 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1028992968 195.157.220.2 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:22:48 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:22:48 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33070 2002 National Honey Show LONDON UK 14-16th November 2002 A massive honey show with International Classes! Opener: His Honour Judge David Smith QC Awards: Richard Jones the Director of IBRA Venue: Kensington Town Hall, Hornton Street, London, England UK Dates: 14th -16th November, Thursday - Saturday Times: Thursday 2:00pm-7pm, Friday 9:30am -7pm, Saturday 9:00am -5pm Admission: £10.00 Children under 16 and Members FREE Download schedule files and information about the National from the website http://www.honeyshow.co.uk Beekeepers and traders exhibit from around the globe with the best in beekeeping products and equipment. A friendly welcome awaits all international visitors. Regards, Steven Turner in London (publicity) ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. Article 33071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.221.56 From: "G" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:06:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.253.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1029002807 24.67.253.205 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:06:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:06:47 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33071 Dear Mr Beekeep, While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. It is, for now, another country with different laws and regulations regarding the sale and useage of all sorts of products. While your advice is welcomed perhaps it would be best to read the question properly before replying? "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net... > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400, "Normand Choinière" > wrote: > > >I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at the > >opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody > >who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable quantity > >(+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! > > > >Normand Choinière > > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > beekeep > > Article 33072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Date: 10 Aug 2002 11:28:19 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208101028.7a47dee4@posting.google.com> References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029004100 12892 127.0.0.1 (10 Aug 2002 18:28:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2002 18:28:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33072 honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote in message news:<3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net>... > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400, "Normand Choinière" > wrote: > > >I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at the > >opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody > >who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable quantity > >(+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! > > > >Normand Choinière > > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > beekeep You can get it from: ---Mike Article 33073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JOHNNY CANUCK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Message-ID: <100820021239045502%johnny@canuck.com> References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 42 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:40:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1029004820 161.184.141.129 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:40:20 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:40:20 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33073 > wrote: > Dear Mr Beekeep, > While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA > area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... We don't have hardware stores in Canada these days....?????? Beaver Lumber, Revvy, and Home hardware are figments of our Canadian imagination.....???? Countries aside.... His advise was that bad, off base, stupid, out of whack, assinine, imature, nonsensical, outrageous, dangerous, illegal, offensive, ludicrous, redundant, shallow, comical, useless, illogical, and impractical, that it required the response you gave it......????? > It is, for now, another country with different laws and regulations regarding > the sale and useage of all sorts of products. Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... If you know something regarding the laws and regulations pertaining to the sale of this product in Canada ( that the rest of us don't ) THEN INFORM US ALL. This is one of the main reasons this group exists.... remember......??? > While your advice is welcomed perhaps it > would be best to read the question properly before replying? Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... Who's to say he didn't...??? > > "beekeep" wrote in message > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > > > beekeep Article 33074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.221.56 From: "G" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> <100820021239045502%johnny@canuck.com> Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:14:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.253.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1029010485 24.67.253.205 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:14:45 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:14:45 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!ps01-chi1!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33074 Dear Johnny, DON'T GET YOUR BEAVER IN A TWIST!! You must have noticed that every time someone posts a question about purchasing Oxalic Acid in Canada, someone from the States replies saying "Just run down to the local hardware, paint supply or marine supply store and pick some up". As you and I BOTH know, it just isn't possible in Canada. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY! and haven't had any for several years. If your local Beaver Lumber, Revvy or Home Hardware DOES, give us the address so we can all get some. My post was intended to remind people that what may be possible in 1 country is not necessarily possible in another...that's all. What's the point in providing 'useless' information? I notice there aren't any replies by Canadians who have been able to get it....including you...? BTW...clean up your language....One Canuk to another "JOHNNY CANUCK" wrote in message news:100820021239045502%johnny@canuck.com... > > wrote: > > > Dear Mr Beekeep, > > While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA > > area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. > > Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... > > We don't have hardware stores in Canada these days....?????? > > Beaver Lumber, Revvy, and Home hardware are figments of our Canadian > imagination.....???? > > Countries aside.... His advise was that bad, off base, stupid, > out of whack, assinine, imature, nonsensical, outrageous, > dangerous, illegal, offensive, ludicrous, redundant, shallow, > comical, useless, illogical, and impractical, that it required > the response you gave it......????? > > > It is, for now, another country with different laws and regulations regarding > > the sale and useage of all sorts of products. > > Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... > > If you know something regarding the laws and regulations pertaining > to the sale of this product in Canada ( that the rest of us don't ) > THEN INFORM US ALL. > > This is one of the main reasons this group exists.... remember......??? > > > While your advice is welcomed perhaps it > > would be best to read the question properly before replying? > > Well dipshit..... One Canuck to another..... > > Who's to say he didn't...??? > > > > "beekeep" wrote in message > > > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > > > > > beekeep Article 33075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ant help! Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:15:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1029014131 12.86.120.109 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:15:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:15:31 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:821 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33075 Just hived me a swarm today... not sure if I can get them ready for winter in this amount of time but I have high hopes... I am in FL and the weather never really gets that bad here. So hopefully I will be able to boost them up with feed to make it through our almost non existant winter. But here is my question. I have just put the bees in the hive and already I am seeing a stream of ants going into the hive. I know I can use the "used motor oil" approach of placing hive on 4 leg stand and then place stand in coffee cans of oil, but I would prefer not to do that. I have read that if you keep cinamon around your hive it will prevent ants and not bother the bees.... do you guys have any advise? Perhaps the hive will take care of the problem itself? Thanks in advance for your answers. Article 33076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Normand Choinière" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada or Viagra Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:54 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.127.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1029017544 206.172.127.167 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:24 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33076 I don't think it is available in Canada. I've done big paint suppliers. They haven't seen that for years. They use something else to bleach the wood. It is supposed to be in radiator shops. Nobody have seen that since 1980 or so. Supposed to be part of a Prestone cleaning kit. Not in sale in Canada. Auto parts (big) don't know about it, retailers also. It was available years ago. Brand names like DAP-Bondex sell it in USA not in Canada. Big hardware stores and similar stores like Home Depot, Home Hardware, Rona, Reno-Depot. They simply don't know about oxalic acid, they refer you to the pharmacy. It is sold in pharmacy at 5.85 CDN $ for 50 grams and they sell it under the name of lemon salt (!)... that is about 200 US $ or 300 CDN $ for 5 pouds... better get Viagra it is cheaper!!!!!! Anyone tested Viagra for Varroas? I can get it from USA 5 pounds for about 50 CDN $ (all tax included) delivered at home. This is the probably the best and only way to go. Don't tell me about US places to look. Very easy to find on Internet. Oxalic acid seems to be a national resource in USA! Here in Canada we have "poutine" which is not available anywhere in USA!!! :-))) NC "G" a écrit dans le message de news: XCc59.118528$v53.6086718@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > Dear Mr Beekeep, > While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA > area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. It is, for now, > another country with different laws and regulations regarding the sale and > useage of all sorts of products. While your advice is welcomed perhaps it > would be best to read the question properly before replying? > > > "beekeep" wrote in message > news:3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net... > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:09:39 -0400, "Normand Choinière" > > wrote: > > > > >I can't find oxalic acid in Canada except if I buy a 25 kg barrel or, at > the > > >opposite, I can get 50 grams for 5.85 $ at the pharmacy. Is there anybody > > >who found oxalic acid for a reasonnable price and more reasonnable > quantity > > >(+- 250 grams to 750 grams let's say).... and where!!! > > > > > >Normand Choinière > > > > > Look in the hardware store for wood bleach. It's about $6.00 a pound. > > > > beekeep > > > > > > Article 33077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant help! Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:01:17 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.20.b9.dc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 11 Aug 2002 01:06:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:822 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33077 The argentine ants that bother my hives really only cause a serious problem with nucs. They love brood and can overpower a weak hive. The only solution I have found is two 8X8X16" building blocks set in a 6" high cut off bottom of a 55 gallon drum, filled with water, and a 24"X24" piece of plywood on top of the blocks and under the hive. Article 33078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada or Viagra Date: 10 Aug 2002 19:46:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208101846.1a9f1e36@posting.google.com> References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029033984 6562 127.0.0.1 (11 Aug 2002 02:46:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 2002 02:46:24 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33078 "> It is sold in pharmacy at 5.85 CDN $ for 50 grams and they sell it under the > name of lemon salt (!)... that is about 200 US $ or 300 CDN $ for 5 pouds... > better get Viagra it is cheaper!!!!!! Anyone tested Viagra for Varroas? > > I can get it from USA 5 pounds for about 50 CDN $ (all tax included) > delivered at home. > > This is the probably the best and only way to go. Don't tell me about US > places to look. Very easy to find on Internet. Oxalic acid seems to be a > national resource in USA! Here in Canada we have "poutine" which is not > available anywhere in USA!!! :-))) > > NC OK I'll bite.What is poutine?As for Viagra,it is only manufactured here for export to Canada,as everyone knows USA guys dont need it! ---Mike (the source I posted sells pure oxalic for 3 bucks a pound US.) Article 33079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: ant problems? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:13:26 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:28:35 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!fs01-sjc1.usenetserver.com!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:823 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33079 Well, if it's small black ants they are after unripened nectar and honey. If it is carpenter ants or fire ants they are after new brood. Perfect, soft, clean protein sources. People always talk about "used" motor oil. You can get it for less than $0.75 a quart- so why don't people ever talk about it? It doesn't have all the acids, nasty chemicals and heavy metals like used stuff does- so why not use it? I am an "organic" gardener and hate to talk about it but sometimes you have to give the bees help, especially when it's a new hive. Smearing axle grease on your hive stand legs works too, it is a little messy (looking) but works too. Good Luck- don't forget to stop down your hive entrance as strong colonies might well rob this hive out in the heat/nectar shortage of late summer, especially if it under attack by ants. The bees may well abscond (they did before!) so be vigilant if you are gonna keep 'em. Also if you do feed this time of year the ants will be all over it, more so is you use entrance (Boardman) feeders. Fire ants will go for the water in the sugar syrup- they don't really want the sugar. They may start on unprotected larvae if the hive is busy, so get to it! Britt Article 33080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: ant problems? Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 04:39:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029040794 216.26.16.80 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:39:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:39:54 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:824 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33080 Would vedetable oil/cooking oil work along the same principle Brian "Britt Childress" wrote in message news:qDk59.73879$Z7.5775533@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com... > Well, if it's small black ants they are after unripened nectar and honey. > If it is carpenter ants or fire ants they are after new brood. Perfect, > soft, clean protein sources. > > People always talk about "used" motor oil. You can get it for less than > $0.75 a quart- so why don't people ever talk about it? It doesn't have all > the acids, nasty chemicals and heavy metals like used stuff does- so why not > use it? > > I am an "organic" gardener and hate to talk about it but sometimes you > have to give the bees help, especially when it's a new hive. > > Smearing axle grease on your hive stand legs works too, it is a little > messy (looking) but works too. > > Good Luck- don't forget to stop down your hive entrance as strong colonies > might well rob this hive out in the heat/nectar shortage of late summer, > especially if it under attack by ants. The bees may well abscond (they did > before!) so be vigilant if you are gonna keep 'em. > > Also if you do feed this time of year the ants will be all over it, more > so is you use entrance (Boardman) feeders. Fire ants will go for the water > in the sugar syrup- they don't really want the sugar. They may start on > unprotected larvae if the hive is busy, so get to it! > > Britt > > > > Article 33081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Food grade mineral oil Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 04:43:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029041033 216.26.16.80 (Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:43:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:43:53 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33081 I was wondering if anyone here has tried to use food grade mineral oil for treating verola mites? I read about it on a web site... Im thinking Id like to try it... Im conserned I was looking at a bunch of my bees and some are a clearish dark yellow in color... wile alot of the others are a nice kind of fuzzy lighter yelow... I saw one that had realy thik black bands and another one that his hind end was all black.... Brian Article 33082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4XX49.1772$DZ.183313@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net> <3D5454B9.DD476F46@dcnet2000.com.> Subject: Re: Do we have any experts on UK pollen? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:02:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.157.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 1029047248 159.134.157.46 (Sun, 11 Aug 2002 07:27:28 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 07:27:28 BST Organization: Eircom.Net http://www.eircom.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33082 The wild fuchsia of Kerry has a white pollen, there are also threads attached to the grains and the shape is nothing like sanfoin. Ruary Rudd "Jeremy Goodwin" wrote in message news:3D5454B9.DD476F46@dcnet2000.com.... > The only two I am familiar with, are Fuscia and some of > the ornamental conifers, both with dark blue and purple > pollen, but I do not know if the bees would have a large > enough source of Fucia and I do not know if they would > collect conifer pollen. > JJ Article 33083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen being introduced on Hivetool.com webcam Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <6at8lu8gvfm9s5a50fvpnjj0vr669l3qt6@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-239-12.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: venus.btinternet.com 1029061982 29689 217.34.239.12 (11 Aug 2002 10:33:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:33:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:825 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33083 I like it - but could you tell me where you are, I am seeing 05:20am and its 11:25am (BST) here in the UK There must be more uses for this technique, how about queen emergence? Keith "Swarmcatcher" wrote in message news:6at8lu8gvfm9s5a50fvpnjj0vr669l3qt6@4ax.com... > Everyone, > > http://www.hivetool.com/webcam > > We requeened our LiveHive with a Buckfast queen this evening. The > cage is hanging vertically in front of the camera but I'm not sure how > much we will get to see since it is currently covered with workers. > I'll run my local capture function so if anything interesting appears > we can publish it later. Enjoy. > > -Barry Richards > Article 33084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Stamper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving honey from hive body to supers Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:22:48 -0400 Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: stamperdmw98.dt.navy.mil X-Trace: oasys.dt.navy.mil 1028740981 6840 130.46.195.202 (7 Aug 2002 17:23:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@oasys.dt.navy.mil NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 2002 17:23:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!oanews!oasis.dt.navy.mil!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33084 Is there a way to convince or trick the bees to move their honey stores into the supers? Is this something the "Imrie shim" helps? Harvesting deep frames is a pain, especially when they are partly brood. Why don't bees just do what we want? Please post and reply. Dave Article 33085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Swarmcatcher Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen being introduced on Hivetool.com webcam Message-ID: <88ucluoosqhb56os32121fkhb2fniudoi7@4ax.com> References: <6at8lu8gvfm9s5a50fvpnjj0vr669l3qt6@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:47:16 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:50:45 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!ps01-chi1!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:827 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33085 This hive is located in Cross Plains, Tennessee, USA, near Nashville. I've been considering some queen rearing, maybe we can watch queen cells being drawn out. In the current configuration the camera is a more or less fixed position on the side of the hive so I have to move the subject matter into a position where it can be seen. -Barry On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:33:02 +0000 (UTC), "Keith Hooker" wrote: >I like it - but could you tell me where you are, I am seeing 05:20am and its >11:25am (BST) here in the UK >There must be more uses for this technique, how about queen emergence? > >Keith > >"Swarmcatcher" wrote in message >news:6at8lu8gvfm9s5a50fvpnjj0vr669l3qt6@4ax.com... >> Everyone, >> >> http://www.hivetool.com/webcam >> >> We requeened our LiveHive with a Buckfast queen this evening. The >> cage is hanging vertically in front of the camera but I'm not sure how >> much we will get to see since it is currently covered with workers. >> I'll run my local capture function so if anything interesting appears >> we can publish it later. Enjoy. >> >> -Barry Richards >> > Article 33086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mating Bumblebees. Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:39:29 +0100 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: 8ac07c0a8820bdc083654e5102496668f07a4086244403259f410f713d56a145 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:39:17 BST Message-ID: <1029087557.6556.0@demeter.uk.clara.net> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!demeter.uk.clara.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33086 Hello Everyone For those people interested I have posted a photo of Bumblebee mating taken last Wednesday at about 5.30 PM. location. Guiting Power in the Cotswolds. http://home.clara.net/thedoor/1.jpg All The Best. Mike Smith. Beginners Astronomy. http://home.clara.net/thedoor/ Puppy Training in Cheltenham,Glos.U.K. http://www.puppytime.co.uk Article 33087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tim Brown Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant help! Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:53:33 -0700 Organization: not really Lines: 35 Message-ID: <549dlukspppg84lc8gq4e766hec4m96442@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-922.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:828 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33087 On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:15:31 GMT, in alt.hobbies.beekeeping you wrote: >Just hived me a swarm today... not sure if I can get them ready for winter >I have read that if you keep cinamon around your hive it will prevent ants >and not bother the bees.... do you guys have any advise? Perhaps the hive >will take care of the problem itself? > A young nuke start can be seriously hindered by the ants.Some nuke starts will take care of them selves but for just one or a few nukes, it is too easy to make a stand to take the chance of who will win the war of aggressions. Here in oregon we mostly have the little black "piss ants" that like to migrate all over the place. Occasionally a nuke or weak hive can actually be heard screeching/squeaking for help as the battle rages. Oil of about any type can work. Even spray type cooking oil for a quick temporary reduction of the nuisance can be useful. Water barriers using cement blocks in some tray is a quick fix. A legged stand with the legs in coffee cans filled with water and/or oil works well. I have even set a pestered nuke on a nearby strong hive after brushing out the ants for temporary protection. Once used a sticky vaseline type substance (used sometimes on fruit trees.... Tangle foot?) on the legs of a bee stand. Not a good idea as the stuff takes years to break down and accidently gets onto everything. Most any barrier even a pool of oil, over time will get a coating of grass/dead bugs/and dust that will allow the ants to cross it. It might be a good time to experiment with FGMO (food grade mineral oil) treatments for mites. We know the ants do not like the oil and it is not going to harm your bees or get rancid like some vegetable oils. I can think of numerous times i would like to have had the FGMO and a burgess fogger to test on an ant infested box. Anyone know if the fogger is enough oil residue to run the ants out? To keep them out for a while? Tim Article 33088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tim Brown Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving honey from hive body to supers Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:53:34 -0700 Organization: not really Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-924.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33088 On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:22:48 -0400, "Dave Stamper" wrote: >Is there a way to convince or trick the bees to move their honey stores into >the supers? Is this something the "Imrie shim" helps? >Harvesting deep frames is a pain, especially when they are partly brood. >Why don't bees just do what we want? >Please post and reply. >Dave > Ok i'll bite.What is an "Imrie shim"? With the proper whispering technique many convince the bees to place the honey right in jars ready for shipment to market. Or even to any frame or box they wish. One must be diligent in learning bee politics. If one rebellious hive refuses to place all their honey where you wish then another more compliant hive is usually willing to help you out with just a little incentive like spreading the frames of the first out in the open...... Better tho, to place the honey with brood frames above a queen excluder and wait for the bees to emerge to extract if you dislike that little extra protein in your honey. Or pull the larva with tweezers first for a breakfast stir-fry or fish bait. Tim Article 33089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tim Brown Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:53:38 -0700 Organization: not really Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-925.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33089 On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 04:43:53 GMT, "Wuffman.Com" wrote: >I was wondering if anyone here has tried to use food grade mineral oil for >treating verola mites? I read about it on a web site... Im thinking Id like >to try it... I intend to try it out. There seems to be some dissent as to FGMO's total effectiveness for some reason. But we have a pretty smart old commercial keeper here that thinks it has replaced the mite chemicals completely. The amount, timing and method of applications is still for each user to work out to some degree. It was obvious to me from applying some oils to my hives with paper towels there was considerable overall better health. The combination of FGMO and fogging rings as a totally reasonable and useful tool. Though my hives died out under others controls, I am thinking of refilling some stands. Am considering setting up the boxes and out yards and working them in a fashion that i can tell for a fact of FGMOs effectiveness for my self. Not sure how to go about the set up and data collection so i don't fool myself and can state for a fact methods and effectiveness. Guess i would need a microscope good enough to see the tracheal mites and varoa first hand & in detail, sticky debris boards built in & used full time, methods of measuring mites,data collection and of course an objective. The objective would be to see first hand how little FGMO applied only with a bug fogger is needed to control or eliminate tracheal/varoa/ants(?). Any links to how to set up yards, controls and data collection on some hives might be of interest as on a hobbyist scale i will be using the fogging anyway. Is there a list somewhere of various application frequency being used for fogging alone on either/both mites? Tim Article 33090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D56AFED.A9657E7@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde Reply-To: rahfoo@foobatnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant help! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:41:49 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1029091476 209.239.173.174 (Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:44:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:44:36 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:829 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33090 Whenever I see argentine ants entering my hives, I just put a ring of table salt around the affected hive. Works like a charm until the rain or sprinkler system washes the salt away. I used to mix sulfer with the salt, but plain salt seems to work just as well. Good luck! Rick Article 33091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Ant help! Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:02:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.19.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029099724 216.26.19.170 (Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:02:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:02:04 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.cgocable.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:830 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33091 My grandma use to mix 20 mule team laundry soap with apple jam and set it out and the ants would gobble it up and then a day or two later you won't see them again for the summer or at leaste a month... then repeat... Would this be a bad idea for the bees? Brian Article 33092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:19:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3d56ee34.974860@news1.radix.net> References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip159.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33092 On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:06:47 GMT, "G" wrote: >Dear Mr Beekeep, >While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA >area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. It is, for now, >another country with different laws and regulations regarding the sale and >useage of all sorts of products. While your advice is welcomed perhaps it >would be best to read the question properly before replying? > > First off, buying chemicals in the USA is harder than in most countries due to our self defeating legal liability system than in most other countries. You may live in a igloo where there is nothing but ice, snow, and polar bears, but on my visits to our northern neighbor I found them to be very much like the states where they had such things as hardware stores and indoor plumbing. Granted our $ is not quite as worthless as your dollar and wood bleach might be a little more in Canadian dollars but I would be willing to bet they have it. I was only narrowing it down as to where to look for it. Greg Ferris beekeep Article 33093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Ant help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:24:33 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 31 X-Trace: sv3-X5567an/eOa9vdAL/RE3VxMdK9/bCN7JXbwB4QVaDCaq6FjNF8Ox55O7IQGe7b3Ap+8AJFbl9sEILou!SMGbP8+3EZcj2E+tofRXm7fdaFOeKzr3hefCUkg9vueBn3ZhbyqAAKolYlAzbpLBJhgkRKvm47XO!/aPSHgiYySkYCmQqPg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:24:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:831 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33093 You can broadcast ant bait around the hive and the general area without harming the bees. Ant bait comes in small granules that the bees won't bother. Just put it in a handheld fertilizer spreader and go at it. If this bothers you for some reason, you can put the bait in aluminum pie tins with wire mesh over each tin. The mesh needs to be big enough for the ants but not bees, not that they'd touch it anyway. Put a rock on it to hold it down. I treat my apiary with ant bait once or twice a year. Not problem. You can get it almost anywhere. WallyWorld or HomeDepot. West Texas Mark > Just hived me a swarm today... not sure if I can get them ready for winter > in this amount of time but I have high hopes... I am in FL and the weather > never really gets that bad here. So hopefully I will be able to boost them > up with feed to make it through our almost non existant winter. > > But here is my question. I have just put the bees in the hive and already I > am seeing a stream of ants going into the hive. I know I can use the "used > motor oil" approach of placing hive on 4 leg stand and then place stand in > coffee cans of oil, but I would prefer not to do that. > > I have read that if you keep cinamon around your hive it will prevent ants > and not bother the bees.... do you guys have any advise? Perhaps the hive > will take care of the problem itself? > > Thanks in advance for your answers. Article 33094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada or Viagra Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:28:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3d56f175.1808005@news1.radix.net> References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip159.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33094 On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:54 -0400, "Normand Choinière" wrote: >I don't think it is available in Canada. I've done big paint suppliers. They >haven't seen that for years. They use something else to bleach the wood. > >It is supposed to be in radiator shops. Nobody have seen that since 1980 or >so. > >Supposed to be part of a Prestone cleaning kit. Not in sale in Canada. Auto >parts (big) don't know about it, retailers also. It was available years ago. > >Brand names like DAP-Bondex sell it in USA not in Canada. > >Big hardware stores and similar stores like Home Depot, Home Hardware, Rona, >Reno-Depot. They simply don't know about oxalic acid, they refer you to the >pharmacy. > >It is sold in pharmacy at 5.85 CDN $ for 50 grams and they sell it under the >name of lemon salt (!)... that is about 200 US $ or 300 CDN $ for 5 pouds... >better get Viagra it is cheaper!!!!!! Anyone tested Viagra for Varroas? > >I can get it from USA 5 pounds for about 50 CDN $ (all tax included) >delivered at home. > >This is the probably the best and only way to go. Don't tell me about US >places to look. Very easy to find on Internet. Oxalic acid seems to be a >national resource in USA! Here in Canada we have "poutine" which is not >available anywhere in USA!!! :-))) > >NC > > > > Don't bet on it. I looked in at least a dozen harware stores before I found it. Somebody up there probably has it. It is used in great quantities for bleaching pulpwood when making paper. Surely you have paper factories up there. beekeep Article 33095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada or Viagra Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:29:44 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3d56f323.2237945@news1.radix.net> References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> <993fd181.0208101846.1a9f1e36@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip159.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33095 On 10 Aug 2002 19:46:24 -0700, loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) wrote: >"> It is sold in pharmacy at 5.85 CDN $ for 50 grams and they sell it >under the >> name of lemon salt (!)... that is about 200 US $ or 300 CDN $ for 5 pouds... >> better get Viagra it is cheaper!!!!!! Anyone tested Viagra for Varroas? >> >> I can get it from USA 5 pounds for about 50 CDN $ (all tax included) >> delivered at home. >> >> This is the probably the best and only way to go. Don't tell me about US >> places to look. Very easy to find on Internet. Oxalic acid seems to be a >> national resource in USA! Here in Canada we have "poutine" which is not >> available anywhere in USA!!! :-))) >> >> NC > OK I'll bite.What is poutine?As for Viagra,it is only manufactured >here for export to Canada,as everyone knows USA guys dont need it! >---Mike >(the source I posted sells pure oxalic for 3 bucks a pound US.) Right and we also export those 15" condoms marked size small. beekeep Article 33096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Red honey in NW Alabama? Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:39:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33096 Bees have been storing a red-colored nectar. I'm in northwest Alabama. What plant could this be from? Rodney -- Rodney Isom rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net (remove obvious part to reply) Article 33097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.221.56 From: "G" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> <3d56ee34.974860@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <23E59.133654$f05.7167499@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:19:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.253.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1029115198 24.67.253.205 (Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:19:58 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:19:58 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!64.245.249.51!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-la!propagator-la!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33097 Ice and Snow????? I have to drive 2 hours north to even reach the 49th parallel!! This discussion is now ended, but on your next visit to your Northern Neighbour YOU try and find it . After all, what do Normand and I know......we only live here! (In 2 different provinces, BTW....) "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d56ee34.974860@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:06:47 GMT, "G" wrote: > > >Dear Mr Beekeep, > >While it may be available in a hardware store in the WASHINGTON, DC, USA > >area, the gentleman is asking about purchasing it in CANADA. It is, for now, > >another country with different laws and regulations regarding the sale and > >useage of all sorts of products. While your advice is welcomed perhaps it > >would be best to read the question properly before replying? > > > > > First off, buying chemicals in the USA is harder than in most > countries due to our self defeating legal liability system than in > most other countries. You may live in a igloo where there is nothing > but ice, snow, and polar bears, but on my visits to our northern > neighbor I found them to be very much like the states where they had > such things as hardware stores and indoor plumbing. Granted our $ is > not quite as worthless as your dollar and wood bleach might be a > little more in Canadian dollars but I would be willing to bet they > have it. I was only narrowing it down as to where to look for it. > > Greg Ferris > beekeep > > Article 33098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D570E47.4DC9DB01@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde Reply-To: rahfoo@foobatnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Want an extractor? Near SFO? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:24:23 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1029115632 209.239.173.174 (Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:27:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:27:12 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:832 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33098 Hi. I have a commercial two frame galvanized hand crank extractor looking for a new home. This is the kind with two deep metal baskets that pivot in an assembly within the drum. You insert two frames (including deep), extract half the honey on one side of the frame, rotate the baskets to present side two of the comb, completely extract that side, spin the baskets again and finish extracting side one. Sorry, I don't know who made it. There is some light rust on the baskets, the drum is clean and coated with food grade sealant. I'm in Mountain View, CA. You would have to pick it up or meet me somewhere relativly local. Remove "foo"s from address to reply. Cheers, Rick Article 33099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:59:29 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1029117572 43000954 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33099 http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/fgmobeekeeping/ "Tim Brown" wrote in message news:e49dlu4l25hp9oqdp3ssea7om01vmi76pa@4ax.com... > Is there a list somewhere of various application frequency being > used for fogging alone on either/both mites? > > Tim > > > Article 33100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic acid in Canada or Viagra Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:04:14 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3d551288.398879512@news1.radix.net> <3d56f175.1808005@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1029117855 42506792 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33100 I don't know what they sell in your hardware store, but Poutine is the Canadian version of the french fry: http://www.cs.umanitoba.ca/~gedetil/poutine.shtml http://www.tx7.com/fries/docs/poutine.html > On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:54 -0400, "Normand Choinière" > wrote: > >.... Oxalic acid seems to be a > >national resource in USA! Here in Canada we have "poutine" which is not > >available anywhere in USA!!! :-))) Article 33101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Ant help! Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:23:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.240 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1029133387 12.86.120.240 (Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:23:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:23:07 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:833 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33101 Thanks for all the suggestions... "Me" wrote in message news:RmC59.201802$nm.8304139@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > You can broadcast ant bait around the hive and the general area without > harming the bees. Ant bait comes in small granules that the bees won't > bother. Just put it in a handheld fertilizer spreader and go at it. If > this bothers you for some reason, you can put the bait in aluminum pie tins > with wire mesh over each tin. The mesh needs to be big enough for the ants > but not bees, not that they'd touch it anyway. Put a rock on it to hold it > down. I treat my apiary with ant bait once or twice a year. Not problem. > You can get it almost anywhere. WallyWorld or HomeDepot. > > West Texas Mark > > > Just hived me a swarm today... not sure if I can get them ready for winter > > in this amount of time but I have high hopes... I am in FL and the weather > > never really gets that bad here. So hopefully I will be able to boost > them > > up with feed to make it through our almost non existant winter. > > > > But here is my question. I have just put the bees in the hive and already > I > > am seeing a stream of ants going into the hive. I know I can use the > "used > > motor oil" approach of placing hive on 4 leg stand and then place stand in > > coffee cans of oil, but I would prefer not to do that. > > > > I have read that if you keep cinamon around your hive it will prevent ants > > and not bother the bees.... do you guys have any advise? Perhaps the hive > > will take care of the problem itself? > > > > Thanks in advance for your answers. > > Article 33102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen being introduced on Hivetool.com webcam Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <6at8lu8gvfm9s5a50fvpnjj0vr669l3qt6@4ax.com> <88ucluoosqhb56os32121fkhb2fniudoi7@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-239-222.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: venus.btinternet.com 1029141898 21314 217.34.239.222 (12 Aug 2002 08:44:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:44:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:834 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33102 Do I assume this is a normal movable frame hive rather than an observation hive? If so how do you get a light source? Keith "Swarmcatcher" wrote in message news:88ucluoosqhb56os32121fkhb2fniudoi7@4ax.com... > This hive is located in Cross Plains, Tennessee, USA, near Nashville. > > I've been considering some queen rearing, maybe we can watch queen > cells being drawn out. In the current configuration the camera is a > more or less fixed position on the side of the hive so I have to move > the subject matter into a position where it can be seen. > > -Barry > Article 33103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Richards Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen being introduced on Hivetool.com webcam Message-ID: References: <6at8lu8gvfm9s5a50fvpnjj0vr669l3qt6@4ax.com> <88ucluoosqhb56os32121fkhb2fniudoi7@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:19:58 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:22:17 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.wind.surfnet.nl!surfnet.nl!aotearoa.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!news-hub.siol.net!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:835 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33103 The image is from an infrared camera with six infrared LED's built into a weather-proof housing. The lights on the camera are invisible to the human eye but create a bit of heat inside the hive. You'll notice there is quite a glare on the cage from the lights. This is an Illinois (Hoffman) 9-frame super just above a single brood chamber on a very active hive. There are three supers above this one and currently a pollen trap on the entrance. We occasionally rotate frames to insure there is something interesting in front of the camera. I have an alternate location for the camera on the hive that shoots between two frames from the back but that wasn't nearly as interesting once they drew out the foundation. -Barry Once upon a time, specifically Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:44:58 +0000 (UTC), "Keith Hooker" wrote: >Do I assume this is a normal movable frame hive rather than an observation >hive? If so how do you get a light source? > >Keith > >"Swarmcatcher" wrote in message >news:88ucluoosqhb56os32121fkhb2fniudoi7@4ax.com... >> This hive is located in Cross Plains, Tennessee, USA, near Nashville. >> >> I've been considering some queen rearing, maybe we can watch queen >> cells being drawn out. In the current configuration the camera is a >> more or less fixed position on the side of the hive so I have to move >> the subject matter into a position where it can be seen. >> >> -Barry >> > > Article 33104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "martha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4 beehives FS near San Francisco X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.233.0.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1029174704 12.233.0.35 (Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:51:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:51:44 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:51:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33104 Am posting this for a friend who has access only to email, not newsgroups. If interested, please contact him at the address listed below. -- A friend of mine wants to sell hi 4 beehives for $65 each hive. The hives are in the San Francisco Bay area. If interested, please contact me at: ballhorn@aol.com Article 33105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "martha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4 beehives FS near San Francisco X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.233.0.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1029174761 12.233.0.35 (Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:52:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:52:41 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:52:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33105 Am posting this for a friend who has access only to email, not newsgroups. If interested, please contact him at the address listed below. -- A friend of mine wants to sell hi 4 beehives for $65 each hive. The hives are in the San Francisco Bay area. If interested, please contact me at: ballhorn@aol.com Article 33106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Ant help! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D57FD42.6FCB94F9@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:24:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:836 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33106 You don't say just how big the swarm is but I wouldn't worry too much about the ants. The bees will take care of them in due time. Billy Rock, KS Ccdrogan wrote: > > Just hived me a swarm today... not sure if I can get them ready for winter > in this amount of time but I have high hopes... I am in FL and the weather > never really gets that bad here. So hopefully I will be able to boost them > up with feed to make it through our almost non existant winter. > > But here is my question. I have just put the bees in the hive and already I > am seeing a stream of ants going into the hive. I know I can use the "used > motor oil" approach of placing hive on 4 leg stand and then place stand in > coffee cans of oil, but I would prefer not to do that. > > I have read that if you keep cinamon around your hive it will prevent ants > and not bother the bees.... do you guys have any advise? Perhaps the hive > will take care of the problem itself? > > Thanks in advance for your answers. Article 33107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ernie Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:37:15 -0400 Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsfeeds2 Message-ID: <3d581b7d_2@corp-news.newsgroups.com> X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to You may also use our online abuse reporting from: http://www.newsfeeds.com/abuseform.htm X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-la!propagator-la!news-in.superfeed.net!corp-news.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33107 I was part of a controlled study a few years back an my personal experience was negative. Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach VA USA =============================== "Tim Brown" wrote in message news:e49dlu4l25hp9oqdp3ssea7om01vmi76pa@4ax.com... > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 04:43:53 GMT, "Wuffman.Com" > wrote: > > >I was wondering if anyone here has tried to use food grade mineral oil for > >treating verola mites? I read about it on a web site... Im thinking Id like > >to try it... Article 33108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red honey in NW Alabama? Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:39:19 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-601.butterfree.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1029188460 25298 217.135.54.89 (12 Aug 2002 21:41:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 2002 21:41:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33108 A soft drinks factory? We have some fluorescent green honey a few years ago - the bees were collecting the 'limeade' concentrate from discarded empty containers. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Rodney Isom" wrote in message news:ule0q4d40a89d0@corp.supernews.com... > Bees have been storing a red-colored nectar. I'm in northwest Alabama. > What plant could this be from? > > Rodney > > > -- > Rodney Isom > rodneyi@nooospam.hiwaay.net > (remove obvious part to reply) > > Article 33109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Heatherly Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red honey in NW Alabama? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:23:20 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:40:18 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeeds-atl1.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33109 I'm curious about that, too. Just got my sourwood honey from Wilkes County, NC last week. The sourwood honey flow was weak in that area, and the blended honey I got was the reddish honey I've ever seen. If you hear the cause, I would appreciate knowing. It must be some flower that was prolific this year during our severe drought. Charles Heatherly Cary, NC On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:39:46 -0500, "Rodney Isom" wrote: >Bees have been storing a red-colored nectar. I'm in northwest Alabama. >What plant could this be from? > >Rodney Article 33110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Heatherly Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Treatment Message-ID: References: <3D533DE0.C936DE02@atlas.localdomain> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:26:26 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:43:25 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33110 On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:27:40 GMT, Louise Adderholdt The best treatment for hive beetles is the cumoflous, but you must have a pesticide license to use that stuff. You can get it from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm which is just up the road from you, I think near N. Wilkesboro. They also have the powder for treating for foul brood. What kind of honey flow did you have this year? Charles Heatherly Cary. wrote: >What is the best source for information on the treatment of hives for >mites, foulbrood, hive beetles, etc. in North Carolina (or the area)? > >Since this information changes from time to time, I would like an >updated schedule for using the Apistan strips, Fumidil, Terramycin, etc. > >What is recommended and when? > >Thank you. > >Louise Adderholdt >Hudson, North Carolina Article 33111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red honey in NW Alabama? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:59:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3d58597b.93974165@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip175.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33111 On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:39:46 -0500, "Rodney Isom" wrote: >Bees have been storing a red-colored nectar. I'm in northwest Alabama. >What plant could this be from? > >Rodney > > It's probably from the "hummingus birdus feederus" flowers that hang out on peoples porches. beekeep Article 33112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: moving honey from hive body to supers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:30:53 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 33 X-Trace: sv3-ziuS+Di/vUZHjd1YwKWKVLu0P/HoXsC4Afco1Pjp8L/4aNpJQgfbBEoN/srkBsutvqmxaTZDdvEz6Sj!0fbXEwGEjymm3SNBOBPJi8QG+AT2lhp+qEcBKWGBdvF9oDbelxrdzCvr4WS3JVpr+hc1J48i3Ewr!wKsVRd7UarRoPxD5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:30:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.11!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33112 Why would you want to harvest honey from the brood chambers? They will need it this Winter. If you do take it, you'll have to feed them heavy sugar syrup (2:1) to replace it for the Winter. Having said that, the best way to get them to move it is for them to need the space for something else. Increased egg laying and brood rearing will make them move the honey to make more room. How to do that? Feed 1:1 or even 1:2 sugar syrup - by weight not volume. This will fool the bees into thinking there is a nectar flow. They will feed the queen more so she will lay more eggs. They will also move the honey so they can start polishing cells for the eggs. This is a dangerous game to play this late in the year. You run the risk of having a large population from the stimulation of the artificial nectar heading into winter with too little honey stores. BUT..., you ask, so.... I told you. West Texas Mark "Dave Stamper" wrote in message news:airl1l$6lo$1@oasys.dt.navy.mil... > Is there a way to convince or trick the bees to move their honey stores into > the supers? Is this something the "Imrie shim" helps? > > Harvesting deep frames is a pain, especially when they are partly brood. > Why don't bees just do what we want? > > Please post and reply. > Dave > > > Article 33113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bob Simon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Black Stuff in Beeswax Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:52:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.14.53.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news1.east.cox.net 1029207127 68.14.53.170 (Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:52:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:52:07 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!cox.net!p01!news1.east.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33113 I hope some of you experts can help me. Bees have been living between the outside and inside walls in my house for perhaps 1 - 2 years. We had a professional open it up to remove the hive and bees, and recovered 5 gallons of honey and a lot of comb. My wife and I have been separating the honey from the wax in quart batches by gently heating in the microwave at 40% power for 10 minutes. The wax melts, floats to the top, and is easy to remove after it cools. We're putting the honey in jars and are planning to make candles from the wax after we've finished separating them. The first few batches of wax yielded almost pure product. Now, I'm finding a lot of thick black gunk in the wax. Can anyone tell me what this is and how to get rid of it? Bob Simon New Orleans Article 33114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Date: 12 Aug 2002 20:42:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208121942.35c051dc@posting.google.com> References: <3d581b7d_2@corp-news.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029210159 12672 127.0.0.1 (13 Aug 2002 03:42:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 2002 03:42:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33114 "Ernie Scofield" wrote in message news:<3d581b7d_2@corp-news.newsgroups.com>... > I was part of a controlled study a few years back an my personal experience > was negative. > > Ernie Scofield > Virginia Beach VA USA > Hi Ernie, Would you mind giving a brief rundown on the study,such as the frequency and method of delivery?I am doing some experimenting of my own but havent reached any conclusion yet.I would appreciate anything you can add. ---Mike Article 33115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Black Stuff in Beeswax Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:08:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029226133 216.26.16.110 (Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:08:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:08:53 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33115 most likely it is propolis... I just melt all my wax down real good and it floats to the top I scrap it off and I loose a bit of the wax but you end up with nice clean wax.... best way I have found to do this is in old coffee cans..I toss all the broken up comb in and put a large sauce pan full of water on the camp stove outside bring it to a boil using a little handle Ibought at the camping store I grab onto the can and put it in the boiling water till the wax is all melted.... I then use a old metal spoon to stirr it all up good and let it sit in the boiling water for a couple more minutes then pull it out...pour off the propulis and a bit of wax into another coffee can and set it aside...then repeat again with can # 2 and then take the can withte propulas and boil it good so all the wax will goto the bottom and I can try and save a bit more... Im not positive exactly were the populis comes from but Im thinking its basicly dirt dust and other debris thatthe bees have on their legs when they come in from the outside world... new comb doesn't have it its mostly found on older comb.... I will have alot more wax next year as I am seriously thinking about going to plastic foundations... I had a mess on my hands when trying to extract alot of the foundation pulled apart and I ended up with alot of wax in my honey Brian Salem Oregon http://www.wuffman.com "Bob Simon" wrote in message news:m2tgluolo816oepl027svekuft3tad8j4r@4ax.com... > I hope some of you experts can help me. Bees have been living between > the outside and inside walls in my house for perhaps 1 - 2 years. We > had a professional open it up to remove the hive and bees, and > recovered 5 gallons of honey and a lot of comb. > > My wife and I have been separating the honey from the wax in quart > batches by gently heating in the microwave at 40% power for 10 > minutes. The wax melts, floats to the top, and is easy to remove > after it cools. We're putting the honey in jars and are planning to > make candles from the wax after we've finished separating them. > > The first few batches of wax yielded almost pure product. Now, I'm > finding a lot of thick black gunk in the wax. Can anyone tell me what > this is and how to get rid of it? > > Bob Simon > New Orleans > Article 33116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red honey in NW Alabama? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:01:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3d58f4ae.133705369@news1.radix.net> References: <3d58597b.93974165@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip172.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33116 On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:59:16 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:39:46 -0500, "Rodney Isom" > wrote: > >>Bees have been storing a red-colored nectar. I'm in northwest Alabama. >>What plant could this be from? >> >>Rodney >> >> >It's probably from the "hummingus birdus feederus" flowers that hang >out on peoples porches. > >beekeep > > I might add that hardware stores (in the US) sell bee guards to stop the problem. beekeep Article 33117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Olivier Hubin" Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry,fj.engr.mech,fj.soc.agriculture,fr.misc.automoto.mecanique,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.engr.mech,sci.mech.fluids,uk.business.agricultur Subject: tracteur FENDT FARMER 4S Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:27:38 +0200 Organization: Université de Liège Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cs4058.gw.ulg.ac.be X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!komachi.sp.cs.cmu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!aotearoa.belnet.be!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!nntp.ulg.ac.be!news Xref: news.unc.edu bionet.agroforestry:17359 sci.agriculture:69874 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33117 sci.agriculture.fruit:4290 sci.agriculture.poultry:38502 sci.agriculture.ratites:1823 sci.engr.mech:73089 sci.mech.fluids:13711 Bonjour, Je suis a la recherche d'une documentation pour un tracteur agricole de marque FENDT, série FARMER 4S (équipé d'un moteur de marque MWM série D208.4) construit de 1968 à 1972. Je recherche donc quelqu'un qui posséde un manuel d'atelier un rta ou quelque document que se soit a ce sujet, qui puisse me vendre une copie ou le scanner et l'envoyer par email. A défaut d'étude sur ce modèle, une étude de Fendt Farmer 105S pourrait convenir. Je possède un manuel utilisateur de FORD 3000, un échange de données est possible. Cordialement, Olivier Hubin Héron, Belgium. e-mail : Cuniculus@caramail.com Article 33118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oberloh" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Ant help! Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.231.53.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1029304760 12.231.53.66 (Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:59:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:59:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:59:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:844 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33118 You can also try a small box with 1/8th inch screen opening and put a combination of boric acid (borax) and powdered sugar. Just make sure the bees can't get at it and let the ants eat up. "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:Tnf59.6298$Ke2.532225@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Just hived me a swarm today... not sure if I can get them ready for winter > in this amount of time but I have high hopes... I am in FL and the weather > never really gets that bad here. So hopefully I will be able to boost them > up with feed to make it through our almost non existant winter. > > But here is my question. I have just put the bees in the hive and already I > am seeing a stream of ants going into the hive. I know I can use the "used > motor oil" approach of placing hive on 4 leg stand and then place stand in > coffee cans of oil, but I would prefer not to do that. > > I have read that if you keep cinamon around your hive it will prevent ants > and not bother the bees.... do you guys have any advise? Perhaps the hive > will take care of the problem itself? > > Thanks in advance for your answers. > > Article 33119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D59CA58.1CC2FFA5@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Treatment References: <3D533DE0.C936DE02@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:04:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1029305057 67.251.117.223 (Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:04:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:04:17 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33119 Charles Heatherly wrote: > > On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:27:40 GMT, Louise Adderholdt > > The best treatment for hive beetles is the cumoflous, but you must > have a pesticide license to use that stuff. You can get it from > Brushy Mountain Bee Farm which is just up the road from you, I think > near N. Wilkesboro. They also have the powder for treating for foul > brood. > > What kind of honey flow did you have this year? > Charles Heatherly > Cary. Charles, Thanks for responding. I visit Brushy Mountain frequently; I will talk with them. I had NO spring honey at all, while a friend of mine got loads of clear (probably clover) honey. Two weeks ago, I took off one super of the nicest sourwood honey and put up about 20 pounds. The other hive is full but not capped yet. I'll be checking it tomorrow. The weather here is so dry that I am providing water for the bees any way that I can. Yesterday, I filled a round pan (which is about two feet in diameter and 6 inches deep) about half full of sand and saturated the sand with water to the almost sloppy stage. The bees can walk on the sand and not get bogged down in the water. I have floated sticks and have put big rocks in my birdbath to allow the bees to drink without drowning (but a few have drowned anyway). BTW, my friend had no summer honey at all. Plus, he had one hive to die and be taken over by moths; what a mess. I don't have bees mainly for honey; I have fruit trees that I want pollinated. A few years ago, the state redid Highway 18 between Lenoir and Wilkesboro, and they cleared quite a few banks. I have dozens of little sourwood trees within 50 to 100 feet of my hives; plus I have a few large sourwood trees. Within 2 miles of my place, there are lots of sourwood trees coming up along the roadside. I hope that the state doesn't cut them down. Also, I have been setting out black locust trees, too, but they're still very young. I bought 100 seedlings from the state nursery. Louise Hudson, North Carolina (and Kings Creek, a little community between Lenoir and Wilkesboro, where I have a house we're remodling and where I have my hives) Article 33120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ernie Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d581b7d_2@corp-news.newsgroups.com> <993fd181.0208121942.35c051dc@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:12:47 -0400 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsfeeds2 Message-ID: <3d5a2c7a_3@corp-news.newsgroups.com> X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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In August I stopped the experiment and applied Apistan. The colonies were on the verge of collapse. Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach VA USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "> Hi Ernie, > Would you mind giving a brief rundown on the study,such as the > frequency and method of delivery?I am doing some experimenting of my > own but havent reached any conclusion yet.I would appreciate anything > you can add. > ---Mike Article 33121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tim Brown Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ant help! Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:55:59 -0700 Organization: not really Lines: 18 Message-ID: <85oklus42ubtg8fh40rupl9qs6lq3d4omb@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-757.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:848 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33121 On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:15:31 GMT, "Ccdrogan" wrote: >I have read that if you keep cinamon around your hive it will prevent ants >and not bother the bees.... do you guys have any advise? Perhaps the hive >will take care of the problem itself? Just tested cinnamon on house ants and it is definitely a substance the ants dislike. They will and do cross the powder to get out of the circle but will not return and actually cross the barrier or eat any tainted honey or bread crumbs.They do munch on and carry back to wherever, selected cinnamon roll crumbs. On the counter they stay about 1 inch or so from the powder. While it surely would be a deterrent to ants, I doubt it as a serious ant barrier as they even cross oil if they find one free bridge like blade of grass. Expensive and nice smelling one though. tim Article 33122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 37 From: robert.turberville@zbee.com (Robert Turberville) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do we have any experts on UK pollen? Message-ID: <1029320811.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/199 f889f591 REPLY: 240:44/0 9726797e PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.15 EH00031 BUA> Path: BUA> news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news.dircon.net!peer1.new BUA> s.dircon.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagato BUA> r-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.csl-gmb BUA> h.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t BUA> -online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!diablo.theplanet. BUA> net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter BUA> Edwards" BUA> k> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping BUA> Subject: Do we have any experts on UK pollen? BUA> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:22:43 +0100 BUA> Lines: 19 BUA> Message-ID: BUA> NNTP-Posting-Host: BUA> modem-965.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: BUA> newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1028924710 20789 BUA> 62.25.167.197 (9 Aug 2002 20:25:10 GMT) BUA> NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 2002 20:25:10 GMT BUA> X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net BUA> X-Priority: 3 BUA> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal BUA> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express BUA> 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft BUA> MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 XRef: zbee.com BUA> sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4697 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:19:52 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1029337608 195.157.220.2 (Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:06:48 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:06:48 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!robert.turberville Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33122 BUA> I have recently noticed an unusual colour pollen BUA> in two of my apiaries, both in combs and on the BUA> varroa floor. BUA> The colour, a purple/blue, is an exact match for BUA> Campanula as shown in Dorothy Hodges 'Pollen BUA> Loads of the Honeybee', but the shape of the BUA> pollen grains is completely different from BUA> Campanula - the nearest that I can find is BUA> Sainfoin as shown in Rex Sawyer's 'Pollen BUA> Identification for Beekeepers'. BUA> The apiaries are about 3 miles apart, so could BUA> have worked the same source, and I suspect that BUA> it came in during late June/early July. BUA> Any thoughts would be welcome! BUA> Peter Edwards BUA> beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Peter, I have a masters degree in Palynology and am a beekeeper. I'll need a sample pollen pellet of the pollen in question for microscopic examination/identification. Please contact me privately if you wish to proceed further. best wishes, Bob --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/199) Article 33123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Large scale handling Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:28:01 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-100.camlost.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1029360223 978 62.136.144.228 (14 Aug 2002 21:23:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2002 21:23:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33123 Don't know if anybody can help here but I am looking at what is involved in processing large drums of imported honey. The honey would be unfiltered and set by the time I get it and there would obviously be the need for a warming room or the use of drum heaters. From that point on I envisage a line something like this; Pump to empty the drums. Large main and secondary filter (gravity fed or pumped through?) Homogenizing tank to blend a large batch so it is of uniform consistency. From here I envisage decanting to smaller drums to allow partial re-setting and feeding back into the homogenizing tank for blending to a soft set. From the homogenizing tank I would expect to use another pump to transfer to the feed tank for a bottling station. As for the bottling station that is another set of questions in its own right, but that is for later. Anybody got any comments, suggestions or criticisms? I am based in the UK. Anybody recommend suitable suppliers (aside from Thornes or Thornes agents) for equipment of this size? Many thanks Steve Newport Worthing West Sussex Article 33124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red honey in NW Alabama? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:30:41 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-100.camlost.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1029360382 978 62.136.144.228 (14 Aug 2002 21:26:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2002 21:26:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33124 Whilst in Canada last week I came across tubs of Fireweed honey. I suppose that was somewhat reddish in colour. On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:39:46 -0500, "Rodney Isom" wrote: >Bees have been storing a red-colored nectar. I'm in northwest Alabama. >What plant could this be from? > >Rodney Article 33125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Stuff in Beeswax Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:33:20 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-100.camlost.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1029360541 978 62.136.144.228 (14 Aug 2002 21:29:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 2002 21:29:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33125 Don't agree on the propolis. Would have thought it more likely he is seeing the silk cocoons from the brood comb. These bees were in the wall so there will have been little separation between the two. After brood combs have melted away in our solar extractor I usually get the sort of reverse comb silk linings and loads of hexagonal pellets of pollen. On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:08:53 GMT, "Wuffman.Com" wrote: >most likely it is propolis... Article 33126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Aug 2002 22:53:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: SMR Harbo queens results on Varoa mite sampling Message-ID: <20020814185351.22307.00000444@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33126 Hi all, Just had to pull a slab of burr comb out of one of my SMR (scientific mite resistant) queened hives. I had forgotten to replace a frame damaged in extraction. the girls had rebuilt it to suit themselves about 80 % drone cells. As they were mostly sealed when I pulled it out I carefully seperated out a 6 by 8 inch chunk and sealed it up in a box. Later with a dental tool I pulled out 250 drone larva and found 4 varoa mites in all of them. I will see if I can pull out a similar quanity of drone cells out of my one differing hive, that just has a Harbo queen from last year and see how they are doing. I'm supposed to pick up some 20 hives september 1st from a commercial beekeeper. here who is cutting back. I'm supposed to get new world caniolians, I may ask for a Italian hive just to have a control sample. How is everyone else doing? Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI Article 33127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Date: 14 Aug 2002 21:32:37 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208142032.43ec4dd5@posting.google.com> References: <3d581b7d_2@corp-news.newsgroups.com> <993fd181.0208121942.35c051dc@posting.google.com> <3d5a2c7a_3@corp-news.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029385957 25149 127.0.0.1 (15 Aug 2002 04:32:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 2002 04:32:37 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33127 Thanks for the info, I have some hives that have been getting treated more often than that ,and I see a definite buildup of varroa.I am trying to determine now if the mites are reaching the danger point. ---Mike Article 33128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:05:33 -0500 Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: <3d581b7d_2@corp-news.newsgroups.com> <993fd181.0208121942.35c051dc@posting.google.com><3d5a2c7a_3@corp-news.newsgroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYjrlVP0pXW1VIVvAvHHthE7Sd4YhXUjtqWoPziC5b/V9n7TcN02EpF X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 2002 05:04:37 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33128 Hi all - To be completely fair on this matter, it should be noted that Dr. R has mentioned on BEE-L and other places that Mr. Scofield was one of several beekeepers who worked with him on a regional FGMO trial several years ago. He was also a member of a bee club to which Pedro belonged. He alleges that Mr. Scofield did not adhere to the experiment's strict rules, and he was discontinued from the trial. He reported that others in the group had positive results. I take no sides on this. Just reporting it. Take it up with each of them if you want more details. -Barry > From: "Ernie Scofield" > Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED > Newsgroups. > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:12:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil > > Hi Mike, > > The application was fogging at monthly intervals starting in > March ending in August. > > 6 of 12 colonies, chosen at random in the same yard were > treated. The remaining were not. > > Mite count was with sticky boards overnight monthly before > treatment. > > Average count of the six treated and six untreated both > increased each month. > > In August I stopped the experiment and applied Apistan. > > The colonies were on the verge of collapse. > > Ernie Scofield > Virginia Beach VA USA > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > "> Hi Ernie, >> Would you mind giving a brief rundown on the study,such > as the >> frequency and method of delivery?I am doing some > experimenting of my >> own but havent reached any conclusion yet.I would > appreciate anything >> you can add. >> ---Mike > > Article 33129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D5BF46B.EBF62F38@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drought tolerant nectar sources Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:40:23 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 26 X-Trace: sv3-ymcbfcwylZjulPF8qHN8cDLh6q3Dii3ellnLU8UYBpebnx8vDrG3QWGTC6WyTJr9DeHw2Q+xoM7Tngn!TL6rn4ApFwwZhd+dMjUvS+PjXn826owefo6HQhGxsqb9wYw7sws7PVgzTA3M7z7b96TT X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:40:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!slurp.net!newsrouter1.slurp.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33129 Although there have been some scattered showers in the Southern IL area, we are, for the most part, enduring drought conditions. My property received about 1/10" of rain yesterday - the first in 65 days. I have been following a discussion in another forum about nectar for dark honey where drought resistant nectar sources was mentioned. Given our current drought, and the fact that this is normally a dry time of year for us anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about drought tolerant nectar sources . It would be nice to have a an early fall harvest of edible honey, but that will require providing an alternate source to the ubiquitous goldenrod - a truly drought resistant plant. Whatever that source, it will have to survive, and hopefully thrive, in some pretty dry soil this time of year. Recognizing that seasonal differences exist from one region to the next that would affect plant selection and timing, the options would have to be weighed with that in mind. I realize its a bit late this year to take any action, but it would be good to have some ideas for next year. AL Article 33130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasps attacking hives Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 7 Message-ID: Reply-To: postmaster@shadforth.u-net.com NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-23-82.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1029434446 28935 213.122.23.82 (15 Aug 2002 18:00:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:00:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!opentransit.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33130 I seem to have a problem with wasps this year. There are many more than usual and they are attacking the beehives quite aggressively. I've stopped down the hive entrances to give the bees a better chance of defending it and made sure everything is as clean as possible around the hives. Is there anything else I should do? Alan Article 33131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Date: 15 Aug 2002 11:15:30 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208151015.41fe4231@posting.google.com> References: <3d581b7d_2@corp-news.newsgroups.com> <993fd181.0208121942.35c051dc@posting.google.com><3d5a2c7a_3@corp-news.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029435330 8633 127.0.0.1 (15 Aug 2002 18:15:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 2002 18:15:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33131 > I take no sides on this. Just reporting it. Take it up with each of them if > you want more details. > > -Barry > Well I always want more details,but am not making any judgements since I wasnt there.Here is the overnight sticky board drop on some hives that have been getting fogged twice a month,with blue shop towels soaked in emulsion kept on. 58,7,18,5,2,5,0,8,4,0,5,5,15,1,10,3,21,3,10,12.No treatment,just natural drop.I havent correlated these numbers with total mite load,but my gut feeling is the mineral oil is having some effect in keeping the levels down.It isnt a scientific test by any means as we have way too many variables,such as blending SMR into our stock,and lots of other hives in the area. Article 33132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D5C0B7C.CB9A7E5@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps attacking hives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:18:47 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 21 X-Trace: sv3-MW3PBhqUnUsXzrbZ6BF2odZsN9bwfM5fAtReWkQ+qpr7nGznAVvZRQ0GdT5E1U2cq/sdmbn3gcATEdH!sosPOrsSVu6LV6cU18p6XED+YWgsPLUk8bujIcXpyyRgVHq8IOD2RA5aC8mwioVLu2w= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:18:47 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!209.122.83.58!howland.erols.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.166.71.10!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33132 Alan Craig wrote: > I seem to have a problem with wasps this year. There are many more > than usual and they are attacking the beehives quite aggressively. > I've stopped down the hive entrances to give the bees a better > chance of defending it and made sure everything is as clean as > possible around the hives. Is there anything else I should do? > > Alan You might hang wasp traps in the vicinity of your bee yard in an attempt to reduce their numbers. If you have strong hives I would expect the bees to pretty well handle the situation. If the hives are weak you might consider combining them given the time of year and likelihood they won't build up much before winter. AL Article 33133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Wasps attacking hives X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1US69.18912$SS.779775@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:01:17 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 27 X-Trace: sv3-ChhIFeu3scDJz7etHUXw/hFDUPmuugGXHO3h9CJoaD9MKJaoVnmPkfDcq5Hxdh8iubkpoIjeiIxI7Q5!RSBahSYncdzy9bDeP2Lx1YnvyAI7ISBvWebQdxGTUBiQN5RuuzRuoWi8PAC5gQMUcxL4PQqllywX!zZK0fBUqf/I= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:01:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!newsfeed.sjc.globix.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.166.71.10!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33133 "Alan Craig" wrote > I seem to have a problem with wasps this year. There are many more > than usual and they are attacking the beehives quite aggressively. > I've stopped down the hive entrances to give the bees a better > chance of defending it and made sure everything is as clean as > possible around the hives. Is there anything else I should do? Don't know 'bout no wasps, but I've had good results with yellow jacket traps. Take a plastic liter pop bottle, cut a quarter sized hole about 3/4 was up the side, fill about 1/4 way with plain water with a dab of detergent added, string either a hunk of meat or other bait (I've had good luck with raspberry jam) from the lid so it hangs just over the water. If you have an unusually large population of yellow jackets you will need to empty the trap every day or so and refill and rebait. Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D5C6D5D.2C12524A@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sourwood Honey References: <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:03:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1029477804 67.251.117.185 (Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:03:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:03:24 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33134 "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > > It is indeed good news. How do you verify that the honey is sourwood? I just > returned a week ago from a week in a rented cottage near Murphy in SW NC. > Blooming sourwood was everywhere, but so was blooming staghorn sumac. It > appeared to me the bees were mainly working the sumac. In my yard in SW VA > I have a lone sourwood (planted) tree. My bees never touch it. I produce a > pretty good crop of light colored honey at this time, but it does not taste > like sourwood and I do not know what it is, > I note that shops all over the NC-TN-VA mountains sell "sourwood honey" > but much of it is very dark, almost like poplar honey. How much that is sold > as sourwood is actually that? > I read that one way to test for sourwood honey is to take a branch of blossoms and whack it across the back of your hand and smell the blossoms. Sourwood honey should have this same smell. Mine does. Of course, there's no pure anything, because we can't train the bees to go after only one type blossom. It has been so dry here, and the sourwood trees have been the best source for my bees. The clover has burned up and the only other blossoms are the impatients and petunias in my mother's yard. I have not seen any of the sumac blooming (but it could be) in my area. What does the honey taste like and what is the color? I've read in most sources that sourwood honey is light amber, and so I would wonder about the very dark honey. I'd like to know who is the real authority on the subject; certainly I am not. I have had very dark honey in the spring, but never during the summer. I live in western North Carolina at the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. My bees are located about half way between Lenoir and Wilkesboro, along the Brushy Mountain range. There are dozens of sourwood trees (most of them small) near my bee hives, and there are quite a few large sourwood trees in the area. I am more interested in pollination than I am harvesting honey for myself, but I am grateful for the 'extra' honey that I can get for my friends and me. Louise Article 33135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Helena" <@> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey amount Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:57:20 +0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.204.41.254 X-Trace: 1029484679 diablo.uninet.ee 189 194.204.41.254 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news-stob.telia.net!news-stoa.telia.net!telia.net!news.latnet.lv!newsfeed.uninet.ee!diablo.uninet.ee!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33135 Hello! How much do you get honey from a hive? I'm from Estonia and here the amount varies from 10 kg to 170 kg depending the nectar fields, hive types and weather. (Excuse my english, if it's not correct) Article 33136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> Subject: Re: honey amount Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:15:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029485720 216.26.16.136 (Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:15:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:15:20 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!nntp-out.news.gblx.net.MISMATCH!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33136 I was surprised... I tried extracting a couple of frames from a shallow honey supper and I got almost 2 quarts out it.... I was a little disturbed to see some larve in there too.. so I did not extract any more frames and retunred the rest to the hive I took it off... I am not to too conserned this is just my first year and I was not expecting to get that much so I was thrilled when I was able to fill some honey bears and give them as gifts to some friends... They honey is alot darker that what I see in the stores localy and it is very mild in taste. I plan on feeding sugar water to them for the next month so they will have something for winter.. all three of my hives are very low and 2 of them are weak so I will see if I can get them built up for winter....If not I plan on merging them using the newspaper trick... I hate to do it because I was very lucky and re queened both hives and they accepted them both even as late as I did it. I just hope I can get them all to winter.... I was thinking about it and that honey I got is almost as expensive as gold... I have spnet over 500.00 this summer getting all this equipment and stuff going... sheesh! they better not all die on me this winter... Brian Salem Oregon http://www.wuffman.com "Helena" <@> wrote in message news:3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee... > Hello! > > How much do you get honey from a hive? > I'm from Estonia and here the amount varies from 10 kg to 170 kg depending > the nectar fields, hive types and weather. > > (Excuse my english, if it's not correct) > > > Article 33137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "titi fifi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: topic stamp Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:40:42 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-rennes211-2-129.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 1029505162 23506 193.248.7.129 (16 Aug 2002 13:39:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 2002 13:39:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33137 Hello I collect stamps and envelopes about bees and beekeeping. To talk,or to exchange, are there any people who share the same passion ? Article 33138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ahb in arizona Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:30:52 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1029508290.921201@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33138 Drought link to bee stings is in dispute Wed Aug 7, 6:24 AM ET Veronica Torrejón , ARIZONA DAILY STAR Experts see colony 'robbers' and defenders see more at (watch the wrap-around): http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/azstar/20020807/lo_azstar/dro ught_link_to_bee_stings_is_in_dispute Article 33139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "martha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4 beehives FS near San Francisco X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.233.0.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1029520416 12.233.0.35 (Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:53:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:53:36 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:53:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33139 Am posting this for a friend who has access only to email, not newsgroups. If interested, please contact him at the address listed below. -- A friend of mine wants to sell hi 4 beehives for $65 each hive. The hives are in the San Francisco Bay area. If interested, please contact me at: ballhorn@aol.com Article 33140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2002 4-H Ohio State Winner Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:25:40 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 14 Message-ID: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1029525941 45625956 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:852 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33140 Just wanted to thank everyone for supporting 4-H and just brag a little that my daughter worked hard for the #1 one honors of the 2002 Ohio State Junior Beekeeping award. Check out her website with her grin ear to ear. -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html Article 33141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bob Simon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Stuff in Beeswax Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:16:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.14.53.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news1.east.cox.net 1029532576 68.14.53.170 (Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:16:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:16:16 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!central.cox.net!cox.net!p01!news1.east.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33141 Steven, I looked closely at several large wafers of "dirty" beeswax from my honey separation and see structures that must be these cocoons (and possibly linings) you mention. I plan to collect these wafers from all my honey extractions and melt them all down together. How do you remove this stuff from the liquid wax? On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:33:20 +0100, Steve Newport wrote: >Don't agree on the propolis. Would have thought it more likely he is >seeing the silk cocoons from the brood comb. These bees were in the >wall so there will have been little separation between the two. After >brood combs have melted away in our solar extractor I usually get the >sort of reverse comb silk linings and loads of hexagonal pellets of >pollen. > >On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:08:53 GMT, "Wuffman.Com" >wrote: > >>most likely it is propolis... -- Bob Simon Services Delivery Manager -- UNO Tech Park 504-304-0299 Article 33142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ed, Purchasing Forum" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Stuff in Beeswax Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:53:21 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-83.belfalas.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1029534548 31111 62.136.139.83 (16 Aug 2002 21:49:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 2002 21:49:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33142 I use a solar extractor and what happens is that the wax melts and flows out of the tray leaving the cocoons and pollen behind. I just chuck what is left away (don't know if its any good for the garden). I have seen it suggested in other places that if you do not have a solar wax extractor you can put the combs into a sack and then immerse the sack in hot water. The wax melts, passes through the sacking and leaves the husks behind. This can be seen in this page. http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/solarex.html Does that help? On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:16:16 GMT, Bob Simon wrote: >Steven, >I looked closely at several large wafers of "dirty" beeswax from my >honey separation and see structures that must be these cocoons (and >possibly linings) you mention. >I plan to collect these wafers from all my honey extractions and melt >them all down together. How do you remove this stuff from the liquid >wax? Article 33143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ernie Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> Subject: Re: honey amount Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:06:03 -0400 Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsfeeds2 Message-ID: <3d5d7641_3@corp-news.newsgroups.com> X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp-news.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33143 Try http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/reports/nassr/other/zho-bb/ Ernie Scofield =============================== > "Helena" <@> wrote in message > news:3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee... > > Hello! > > > > How much do you get honey from a hive? > > I'm from Estonia and here the amount varies from 10 kg to 170 kg depending > > the nectar fields, hive types and weather. > > > > (Excuse my english, if it's not correct) > > > > > > > > Article 33144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Local Bee Supply stores? Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:10:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1029546659 12.86.120.45 (Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:10:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:10:59 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:853 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33144 Are there any close beekeeping supply stores near the Panama City Florida area? I get eaten up on shipping every time I order from a catalog. Thanks for the info in advance. Article 33145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: 2002 4-H Ohio State Winner Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:49:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029566962 216.26.16.101 (Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:49:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:49:22 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:854 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33145 Way to go..... Hey I looked atthe web site.. I was wondering if you built it or if you know who did... I think they left out a bunch of information that would be nice... I.E what did your daughter have to do to win first place? Brian "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:ajjjjk$1bgcj4$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Just wanted to thank everyone for supporting 4-H and just brag a little that > my daughter worked hard for the #1 one honors of the 2002 Ohio State Junior > Beekeeping award. Check out her website with her grin ear to ear. > -- > > OhioBeeFarmer > Getting kids involved in Beekeeping > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html > > > > > > > Article 33146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ahb in arizona Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:22:29 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1029594156.581494@savina> References: <1029508290.921201@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33146 see still more at (watch the wrap, cut/paste address if no go): http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/azstar/20020817/lo_azstar/spe cialists_remove_huge_hive_from_shed_at_sunizona_home "Specialists remove huge hive from shed at Sunizona home Sat Aug 17, 3:39 AM ET Thomas Stauffer , ARIZONA DAILY STAR Similar ones probably exist here, they say" Article 33147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D5E456E.A8CEBFC2@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey amount References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:00:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1029607218 67.251.117.134 (Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:00:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:00:18 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33147 "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > I was surprised... I tried extracting a couple of frames from a shallow > honey supper and I got almost 2 quarts out it.... I was a little disturbed > to see some larve in there too.. so I did not extract any more frames and > retunred the rest to the hive I took it off... > > I am not to too conserned this is just my first year and I was not expecting > to get that much so I was thrilled when I was able to fill some honey bears > and give them as gifts to some friends... > > They honey is alot darker that what I see in the stores localy and it is > very mild in taste. > I plan on feeding sugar water to them for the next month so they will have > something for winter.. all three of my hives are very low and 2 of them are > weak so I will see if I can get them built up for winter....If not I plan on > merging them using the newspaper trick... I hate to do it because I was very > lucky and re queened both hives and they accepted them both even as late as > I did it. > > I just hope I can get them all to winter.... > > I was thinking about it and that honey I got is almost as expensive as > gold... I have spnet over 500.00 this summer getting all this equipment and > stuff going... sheesh! they better not all die on me this winter... > > Brian > Salem Oregon > http://www.wuffman.com > I never take any honey from the bees' super. It's best that they have their own honey to eat for the winter. If I get a good supply in the extra super, I get some of that, but I make sure that they have a full super (and sometimes that's not enough during a mild winter when they remain somewhat active here in North Carolina). I keep at least a half dozen full frames in storage to feed back to them if necessary. Louise Article 33148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "TRIKER" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:14:03 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.238.131.86 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1029615200 64.238.131.86 (Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:13:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:13:20 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33148 How would you spray them, I have a refillable aersol can, put liquid in and add air pressure, Would I spry just the entrance or the whole brood chambers? "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message news:dYl59.9913$M4.802216@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... I was wondering if anyone here has tried to use food grade mineral oil for treating verola mites? I read about it on a web site... Im thinking Id like to try it... Im conserned I was looking at a bunch of my bees and some are a clearish dark yellow in color... wile alot of the others are a nice kind of fuzzy lighter yelow... I saw one that had realy thik black bands and another one that his hind end was all black.... Brian Article 33149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> <3D5E456E.A8CEBFC2@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: honey amount Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <4Ry79.9437$LO1.736686@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:01:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029618112 216.26.16.104 (Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:01:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:01:52 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33149 Ya I don't touch any of the honey in the 2 deeps on each of my colinies. that is for them.. I just took some out of the supers on top of that.... but the 2 deeps are sparce on my 2 weeker colonies. the strongest colonie has alot of bees but they have honey stores all over the place... not like the smaller ones... So I am betting Ill loose at leaste one if not all 3 this year.... If I do Ill just buy me 3 starter nucs next spring... Brian "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3D5E456E.A8CEBFC2@atlas.localdomain... > "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > > > I was surprised... I tried extracting a couple of frames from a shallow > > honey supper and I got almost 2 quarts out it.... I was a little disturbed > > to see some larve in there too.. so I did not extract any more frames and > > retunred the rest to the hive I took it off... > > > > I am not to too conserned this is just my first year and I was not expecting > > to get that much so I was thrilled when I was able to fill some honey bears > > and give them as gifts to some friends... > > > > They honey is alot darker that what I see in the stores localy and it is > > very mild in taste. > > I plan on feeding sugar water to them for the next month so they will have > > something for winter.. all three of my hives are very low and 2 of them are > > weak so I will see if I can get them built up for winter....If not I plan on > > merging them using the newspaper trick... I hate to do it because I was very > > lucky and re queened both hives and they accepted them both even as late as > > I did it. > > > > I just hope I can get them all to winter.... > > > > I was thinking about it and that honey I got is almost as expensive as > > gold... I have spnet over 500.00 this summer getting all this equipment and > > stuff going... sheesh! they better not all die on me this winter... > > > > Brian > > Salem Oregon > > http://www.wuffman.com > > > > I never take any honey from the bees' super. It's best that they have > their own honey to eat for the winter. If I get a good supply in the > extra super, I get some of that, but I make sure that they have a full > super (and sometimes that's not enough during a mild winter when they > remain somewhat active here in North Carolina). I keep at least a half > dozen full frames in storage to feed back to them if necessary. > > Louise > Article 33150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bob Simon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Stuff in Beeswax Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:14:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.14.53.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news1.east.cox.net 1029626050 68.14.53.170 (Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:14:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:14:10 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!p01!news1.east.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33150 On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:53:21 +0100, "Ed, Purchasing Forum" wrote: >http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/solarex.html Ed, Thanks for the pointer to this web site. I learned a lot about melting, filtering, and extracting wax. Bob -- Bob Simon Services Delivery Manager -- UNO Tech Park 504-304-0299 Article 33151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey amount Date: 17 Aug 2002 17:03:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0208171603.5a5e23db@posting.google.com> References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> <3d5d7641_3@corp-news.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.177.229.24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029628991 27417 127.0.0.1 (18 Aug 2002 00:03:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 2002 00:03:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33151 > > > How much do you get honey from a hive? My 2 hives yielded 126 lbs this year. 106 lbs extracted plus an estimated 20 in comb honey. Last year, I got 74 lbs. Article 33152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> <3d5d7641_3@corp-news.newsgroups.com> <7fe11997.0208171603.5a5e23db@posting.google.com> Subject: Ross Rounds Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:40:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029660013 216.26.16.146 (Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:40:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:40:13 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33152 Have you tried the ross rounds yet? I was thinking about trying it for next year and maybe dropping 1 in a some quart jars for looks and filling with honey... maybe as gifts maybe enven try my hand atthe Oregon State fair.... I was looking into the cost for them... are the rings reusable? Brian "Ken" wrote in message news:7fe11997.0208171603.5a5e23db@posting.google.com... > > > > How much do you get honey from a hive? > > My 2 hives yielded 126 lbs this year. 106 lbs extracted plus an > estimated 20 in comb honey. Last year, I got 74 lbs. > Article 33153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web site Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:51:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029660719 216.26.16.146 (Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:51:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:51:59 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33153 Hey I was wonderin if anyone would be inteerested in helping me set up a web site were us bee keepers could post used equipment and books for sale... kind of a want ads place... It would be only for private sales and trades.. I was also thinking of a wanted section were if you needed something you could post a ad for it... and maybe we could let a comercial sales or two advertise to off set the cost of the web site.... I can do alot of the HTML work and I have a nice little web site that I can use to start it out and test it but if my bandwidth goes up too much it gets kinda spendy....so It would eventually need to buy its own home.... Im sure if we got the trafic the web site could pay for it self and Im sure there are several comercial bee sales that would be interested in advertising it.. both in the USA and UK.... I know of at leaste 2 that would be interested in it... I just need someone with php or scripting ( cgi ) experiance that could help me out.... let me know... I am thinking about url address too... Brian Article 33154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ross Rounds Date: 18 Aug 2002 12:47:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0208181147.380df769@posting.google.com> References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> <3d5d7641_3@corp-news.newsgroups.com> <7fe11997.0208171603.5a5e23db@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029700078 25508 127.0.0.1 (18 Aug 2002 19:47:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 2002 19:47:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33154 The equipment is a little expensive at first. The frames are all that can be reused. The really hard thing is training the bees. Ray "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message news:... > Have you tried the ross rounds yet? > > I was thinking about trying it for next year and maybe dropping 1 in a some > quart jars for looks and filling with honey... maybe as gifts maybe enven > try my hand atthe Oregon State fair.... I was looking into the cost for > them... are the rings reusable? > > Brian > > > > > "Ken" wrote in message > news:7fe11997.0208171603.5a5e23db@posting.google.com... > > > > > How much do you get honey from a hive? > > > > My 2 hives yielded 126 lbs this year. 106 lbs extracted plus an > > estimated 20 in comb honey. Last year, I got 74 lbs. > > Article 33155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: How About There Instead Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: web site Message-ID: <180820021420394806%how@about.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:23:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1029702198 161.184.141.129 (Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:23:18 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:23:18 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33155 > Wuffman.Com wrote: > Hey I was wonderin if anyone would be inteerested in helping me set up a web > site were us bee keepers could post used equipment and books for sale... > kind of a want ads place... What's wrong with this newsgroup -----> alt.agriculture.commodities Grossly underused and initially it was set up for the exact use that you are suggesting. Article 33156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Food grade mineral oil Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:09:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1029737399 12.86.120.229 (Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:09:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:09:59 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33156 Think you use a "insect fogger" something designed to vaporize liquid. "TRIKER" wrote in message news:A7y79.54$dn2.2592@eagle.america.net... > How would you spray them, I have a refillable aersol can, put liquid in and > add air pressure, Would I spry just the entrance or the whole brood > chambers? > > "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message > news:dYl59.9913$M4.802216@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I was wondering if anyone here has tried to use food grade mineral oil for > treating verola mites? I read about it on a web site... Im thinking Id like > to try it... Im conserned I was looking at a bunch of my bees and some are > a clearish dark yellow in color... wile alot of the others are a nice kind > of fuzzy lighter yelow... I saw one that had realy thik black bands and > another one that his hind end was all black.... > > > Brian > > > > Article 33157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D607E85.1A90B57E@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey amount References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> <3D5E456E.A8CEBFC2@atlas.localdomain> <4Ry79.9437$LO1.736686@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:45:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.29 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1029739531 67.251.117.29 (Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:45:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:45:31 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33157 "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > Ya I don't touch any of the honey in the 2 deeps on each of my colinies. > that is for them.. I just took some out of the supers on top of that.... but > the 2 deeps are sparce on my 2 weeker colonies. the strongest colonie has > alot of bees but they have honey stores all over the place... not like the > smaller ones... So I am betting Ill loose at leaste one if not all 3 this > year.... If I do Ill just buy me 3 starter nucs next spring... > > Brian Brian, I have lost 3 hives over the past few years, and it's a hard experience to go through. I lost what had been my best hive. I had a huge swarm this spring (but I couldn't capture it) and the remaining hive died. I also plan to buy at least one starter nuc next spring from the Brushy Mountain Bee Farm. And I have made a vow to check my hives more often. I had too many unexpected obligations this year! Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2002 4-H Ohio State Winner Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:36:28 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1029760590 47420423 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:855 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33158 Well, my daughter built the page. With help from dad : ) I will see if we can update the page when she gets down from the clouds ; ) -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message news:Slm79.7872$LO1.636710@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Way to go..... > > Hey I looked atthe web site.. I was wondering if you built it or if you know > who did... I think they left out a bunch of information that would be > nice... I.E what did your daughter have to do to win first place? > > Brian > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > news:ajjjjk$1bgcj4$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > Just wanted to thank everyone for supporting 4-H and just brag a little > that > > my daughter worked hard for the #1 one honors of the 2002 Ohio State > Junior > > Beekeeping award. Check out her website with her grin ear to ear. > > -- > > > > OhioBeeFarmer > > Getting kids involved in Beekeeping > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Elvis & Bee X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D60F695.C09F64CF@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:45:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 12 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33159 Group, With the 25th anniversary of his passing and the consequent increase in sightings in our media I was struck by the similarities between Elvis' sequined jump suit and a bee suit. Couple this with the fact that his home town is named Tupelo, a major honey plant - I have to wonder if the bee suit did in fact serve as the inspiration for Elvis' sequined jumpsuits. Any bee historians out there know if there was a active beekeeping industry in Tupelo, Mississippi during Elvis' youth? Billy Rock, KS Article 33160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> <3D5E456E.A8CEBFC2@atlas.localdomain> <4Ry79.9437$LO1.736686@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: honey amount Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1029771888 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:44:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:44:48 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:44:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33160 Hi Brian, "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message news:4Ry79.9437$LO1.736686@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Ya I don't touch any of the honey in the 2 deeps on each of my colinies. > that is for them.. I just took some out of the supers on top of that.... but > the 2 deeps are sparce on my 2 weeker colonies. the strongest colonie has > alot of bees but they have honey stores all over the place... not like the > smaller ones... So I am betting Ill loose at leaste one if not all 3 this > year.... If I do Ill just buy me 3 starter nucs next spring... Let me encourage you to feed them now, and give the bees a better chance to get through winter. It's better for the bees, and you'll be better off if your colonies get a jump on spring next year rather than having to start over. I've used Honey Bee Healthy in sugar syrup and the bees seem to do very well with it... I have no connection with the folks that make it, just a happy customer. I recommend it highly. -Steve Article 33161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D60F695.C09F64CF@boeing.com> Subject: Re: Elvis & Bee Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:28:35 +0100 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: 8106886042008402c31a1070f487f66e02808060580074920a05c4c03d612ab0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:28:16 BST Message-ID: <1029778096.64709.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!iapetus.uk.clara.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33161 So that explains why the King was always gyrating on stage ? All The Best. Mike Smith. Beginners Astronomy. http://home.clara.net/thedoor/ Puppy Training in Cheltenham,Glos.U.K. http://www.puppytime.co.uk Article 33162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: 2002 4-H Ohio State Winner Lines: 62 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:38:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029793103 216.26.16.172 (Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:38:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:38:23 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:856 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33162 ok... I know how that is... maybe when she turns 30........ also a page with the answers to bee questions too.... Brian "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:ajqood$1d7507$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Well, my daughter built the page. With help from dad : ) I will see if we > can update the page when she gets down from the clouds ; ) > -- > > OhioBeeFarmer > Getting kids involved in Beekeeping > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message > news:Slm79.7872$LO1.636710@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Way to go..... > > > > Hey I looked atthe web site.. I was wondering if you built it or if you > know > > who did... I think they left out a bunch of information that would be > > nice... I.E what did your daughter have to do to win first place? > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > > news:ajjjjk$1bgcj4$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > > Just wanted to thank everyone for supporting 4-H and just brag a little > > that > > > my daughter worked hard for the #1 one honors of the 2002 Ohio State > > Junior > > > Beekeeping award. Check out her website with her grin ear to ear. > > > -- > > > > > > OhioBeeFarmer > > > Getting kids involved in Beekeeping > > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> <3D5E456E.A8CEBFC2@atlas.localdomain> <4Ry79.9437$LO1.736686@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3D607E85.1A90B57E@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: honey amount Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:45:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029793556 216.26.16.172 (Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:45:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:45:56 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33163 I am convinced packaged mail order bees are not a good thing.. including queens.. I am going to buy bees local and drive to get the nucs.... I would love to get me a bee vac and find some swarms next spring... but I bet alot of the calls are not for the right kind of bees.. I bet alot are for yeloow jackets or wasps or bumble bees.... I would have no proble killing off wasps or yellow jackets but I would not kill off a nest of bumblebees.... Can bumble bees be moved? If the property owner is afraid of them.... I am amazed at how gental they are and as honey bees are... Its the wasps and Yellow Jackets that give them all a bad name.... I wonder if there is any money to be made in bee removeal....??? Brian "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3D607E85.1A90B57E@atlas.localdomain... > "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > > > > Ya I don't touch any of the honey in the 2 deeps on each of my colinies. > > that is for them.. I just took some out of the supers on top of that.... but > > the 2 deeps are sparce on my 2 weeker colonies. the strongest colonie has > > alot of bees but they have honey stores all over the place... not like the > > smaller ones... So I am betting Ill loose at leaste one if not all 3 this > > year.... If I do Ill just buy me 3 starter nucs next spring... > > > > Brian > > Brian, > > I have lost 3 hives over the past few years, and it's a hard experience > to go through. I lost what had been my best hive. I had a huge swarm > this spring (but I couldn't capture it) and the remaining hive died. I > also plan to buy at least one starter nuc next spring from the Brushy > Mountain Bee Farm. And I have made a vow to check my hives more often. > I had too many unexpected obligations this year! > > Louise > > -- > Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any > n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn > | a whole people. --William Penn > Article 33164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much to charge to rent out pollinators? Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:56:39 -0700 Organization: Shitbag.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3D6177A7.4031B85F@uidaho.edu> Reply-To: sweettits@shitbag.com NNTP-Posting-Host: stokes.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 1029797925 21640 129.101.81.64 (19 Aug 2002 22:58:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 2002 22:58:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33164 I was asked to put some hives at an apple orchard and the fellow offered, rather insisted to pay me. What is the going rate for renting your ladies out? thanks matthew Article 33165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fwd: Proposed U.S. Federal Bee Regulation now in Federal Register Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:01:54 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1029805334.121218@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 50 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33165 "The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service of the United States Department of Agriculture wishes to inform you that we have published a proposed revision to the Bee Regulations in the Federal Register for your review and comment. The docket was published in the Federal Register today, 19 August 2002. The Federal Register notice (Docket No. 98-109-1) is available for public comments through November 18, 2002. I have included a pdf copy of the notice below along with several other web addresses for sources of information on this docket. Public hearings will be held regarding this proposed rule on the following dates and locations, consult the Federal Register notice for full details: 22 October 2002, Kailua-Kona, HI 24 October 2002, Fresno, CA 29 October 2002, Beltsville, MD The proposed regulations would combine the existing honey bee regulations (7 CFR 322) and the "pollinator regulations" (7 CFR 319.76) (the pollinator regulations cover the introduction of exotic bee diseases and parasites through the importation of bees other than honeybees, certain beekeeping byproducts, and used beekeeping equipment). The revision proposes to allow importation of honeybees from Australia and honeybees and honeybee semen from New Zealand into the U.S. Under the proposed regulations importations from Canada would require an export certificate verifying that the bees were of Canadian origin. These revisions would modernize the language of the regulations and make them current with respect to international standards for trade in honey bees (OIE). Additionally, the Federal Register notice announces that revisions have been made to the New Zealand Honeybee Pest Risk Assessment that was published before varroa was discovered in New Zealand. USDA Press Release can be found at: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/press/2002/08/beeregs_ppq.html Comments can be submitted online at: http://comments.aphis.usda.gov/ pdf and txt copies can be downloaded at: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppd/rad/webrepor.html Pest Risk Assessments for Honeybees from New Zealand and Australia can be found at: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/pra/honeybees/ Please forward this email to interested persons." Article 33166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Queen Excluder Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:37:28 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.209 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1029806988 393018 207.144.202.209 (20 Aug 2002 01:29:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:29:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33166 You can boil the wood bound/ metal ones and freeze the plastic ones then flex them and it falls off do it outside or over a box flakes go everywhere "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:tQX19.49750$Hj3.147163@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > G, day Folks, > Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is > still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the > excluder, is this correct? > Malcolm > > Article 33167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wiring jigs Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:49:31 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.209 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1029806990 393018 207.144.202.209 (20 Aug 2002 01:29:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:29:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33167 if we are thinking of the thing you can find a wire bending jig or if your thinking of a spool holder while you wire frames kelly has one #159-S $5.00 http://www.harborfreight.com if your thinking of a spool holder while you wire frames kelley has one CAT No. #159-S $5.00 http://www.kelleybees.com "Normand freight Choinière" wrote in message news:WCQ39.2212$Xf7.672216@news20.bellglobal.com... > Anybody know where I can find a wiring jig on the Web? > > Thanks! > > Normand Choinière > > Article 33168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much to charge to rent out pollinators? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <3D6177A7.4031B85F@uidaho.edu> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 21 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:03:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1029826997 209.204.149.247 (Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:03:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:03:17 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!triton.net!smallfeed.triton.net!66.181.128.6.MISMATCH!news.ticon.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33168 In article <3D6177A7.4031B85F@uidaho.edu>, Matthew Pollard wrote: > I was asked to put some hives at an apple orchard and the fellow > offered, rather insisted to pay me. What is the going rate for renting > your ladies out? > thanks > matthew However much it takes so that you don't feel like a pimp? :) But seriously, it seems to be variable from region to region. Out here in California, I'm hearing numbers in the $30-$50/month per working colony range. I imagine it's EXTREMELY variable depending on crop, location, accessibility, and a slew of other factors. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 33169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps attacking hives Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <1US69.18912$SS.779775@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Reply-To: postmaster@shadforth.u-net.com NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-6-92-81.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: venus.btinternet.com 1029872668 14247 62.6.92.81 (20 Aug 2002 19:44:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33169 Many thanks Skip & Al, I'll do both Article 33170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fwd: Proposed U.S. Federal Bee Regulation now in Federal Register Date: 20 Aug 2002 13:06:40 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <993fd181.0208201206.34ece4c0@posting.google.com> References: <1029805334.121218@savina> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029874001 1712 127.0.0.1 (20 Aug 2002 20:06:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 2002 20:06:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33170 Who needs 'em?The last thing we need is more bees with no varroa resistance.I say keep 'em out.They sure as hell wont let US bees in. ---Mike Article 33171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: joisrael@peoplepc.com (Don Israel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sourwood Honey Date: 20 Aug 2002 16:15:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 57 Message-ID: <6cf1e1f0.0208201515.59a05edd@posting.google.com> References: <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain> <3D5C6D5D.2C12524A@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.88.240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029885339 13571 127.0.0.1 (20 Aug 2002 23:15:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 2002 23:15:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33171 Louise Adderholdt wrote in message news:<3D5C6D5D.2C12524A@atlas.localdomain>... > "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > > > > > It is indeed good news. How do you verify that the honey is sourwood? I just > > returned a week ago from a week in a rented cottage near Murphy in SW NC. > > Blooming sourwood was everywhere, but so was blooming staghorn sumac. It > > appeared to me the bees were mainly working the sumac. In my yard in SW VA > > I have a lone sourwood (planted) tree. My bees never touch it. I produce a > > pretty good crop of light colored honey at this time, but it does not taste > > like sourwood and I do not know what it is, > > I note that shops all over the NC-TN-VA mountains sell "sourwood honey" > > but much of it is very dark, almost like poplar honey. How much that is sold > > as sourwood is actually that? > > > > I read that one way to test for sourwood honey is to take a branch of > blossoms and whack it across the back of your hand and smell the > blossoms. Sourwood honey should have this same smell. Mine does. Of > course, there's no pure anything, because we can't train the bees to go > after only one type blossom. It has been so dry here, and the sourwood > trees have been the best source for my bees. The clover has burned up > and the only other blossoms are the impatients and petunias in my > mother's yard. > > I have not seen any of the sumac blooming (but it could be) in my area. > What does the honey taste like and what is the color? I've read in most > sources that sourwood honey is light amber, and so I would wonder about > the very dark honey. I'd like to know who is the real authority on the > subject; certainly I am not. > > I have had very dark honey in the spring, but never during the summer. I > live in western North Carolina at the foothills of the Blue Ridge > Mountains. My bees are located about half way between Lenoir and > Wilkesboro, along the Brushy Mountain range. There are dozens of > sourwood trees (most of them small) near my bee hives, and there are > quite a few large sourwood trees in the area. I am more interested in > pollination than I am harvesting honey for myself, but I am grateful for > the 'extra' honey that I can get for my friends and me. > > Louise I just recently took my sourwood honey. I hand picked the lighest and packed in half pint jars with comb. Since several folks hit on color, I'll respond. There was some darker honey in some frames which darkened the honey. I had it taste tested and found everyone agreed it was sourwood but not nearly as pretty as the clear. It is actually about the same color as my early wildfloewr honey. Iwould classify it as over 80 percent sourwood. All ot the supers were put on after the sourwood bloom started and before it ended. The grey or blue tint is also true. Down East in NC when the bees (rarely) work sourwood it is pure blue. I also agree that the sourwood honey sold in many places is a fake. One bottler markets his as "Sourwood Mountain" honey and is not sourwood honey. I make all my honey in North Carolina. Thia past weekend we gave a demonsrtration at the NC Zoo. We allowed taste tests of our honey and by far most folks bought the sourwood. Thanks, Don Article 33172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pavel314" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving Hives X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-GC-Trace: gv1-TQJiIiYH9KKJREl9i9AmwAeUIaUL1w7XDSPEJg= Message-ID: <7kA89.102683$SS.4660181@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:32:19 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 10 X-Trace: sv3-ZBJfwDgGkV39M6xv15qs9der3z5zXjo72UDGaFyhijhv1eH9vE/g9HnAovXF1OH94dqWqu6HVpgMi0B!so5LUU9/ggGYsXDcX5/xY9NArwbHstac7ONI1TfKSDELQR9j8BSO/RzfOP/FzR+q7Ly3EazhdZMA!XR+IuKxLgLFrHGYE X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:32:19 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.abs.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33172 We got our first two hives earlier this year and put them out behind the vineyard. I'd like to move them to another part of the yard, about 50 feet away. I've read that you have to move them miles away for a while then bring them back to your property, as such a short move will confuse them. Either that or move them a few feet a day to their new location to allow them to acclimate to the new position. Is this true? Has anyone had experience with short moves of hives? Article 33173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My experience with Bee-Quick Date: 20 Aug 2002 16:42:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 50 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0208201542.205f1aea@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1029886928 15164 127.0.0.1 (20 Aug 2002 23:42:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 2002 23:42:08 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33173 There has been some discussion here recently about Fischer's Bee-Quick (http://www.bee-quick.com/) for removing bees from honey supers at harvest time. I tried it out this year and thought I'd share my experience with the group. (And no, this isn't a commercial post. I just felt like letting other's know one person's experience with a new product.) First of all, I've removed bees in the past by blowing, brushing, escape boards, and long ago, using butyric acid products on a fume board. (I gave up on that one because I couldn't stand the smell.) I used Bee-Quick on several hives to remove about a dozen supers. It was done at a couple of different times in the season, with temperatures ranging from about 70 (and cloudy) to the upper 90's (and sunny). None of these supers had brood in them, which I'm sure would have changed the results. I tried it first with a fume board and wasn't real impressed. I then built a breeze board and tried again. I found an old perfume spray bottle and put the Bee-Quick in it. I would remove the top cover, put the breeze board on top and give about 6 or 8 shots of the Bee-Quick over the top. Immediately I could hear the loud buzzing as the bees began moving down into the hive. I then put a crude cardboard "breeze catcher" over the top of this to help direct the breeze downward. I would leave it on for a few minutes, remove the super and then set up the breeze board on the next super. The supers always seemed to have a few dozen bees left in them. (This seemed consistent, no matter what the temperature, how much product I sprayed or how long the board was left on.) I figured this was acceptable considering how easy this was, and the fact that I'd usually get a lot more bees than that in the back of the pickup, as I'd be loading up the supers. (I have a canopy on the back of the pickup and after shutting the panels, most of the bees would eventually be buzzing at the window trying to get out, so I'd ultimately bring very few bees home with me.) A couple other notes, while I'd hear lots of fanning going on, it didn't seem to upset the bees too much. I did all this in a T-shirt without taking a single sting. In previous years when using a blower or brushing bees, I'd always suit up. Also the smell is more than tolerable, it's fairly mild and almost pleasant. (I once used it to remove a couple of supers during my lunch hour and then returned to the office, something I would have never considered with butyric acid.) The end result is I like it and I'm planning on using it again next year. Nuc. Article 33174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "TRIKER" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7kA89.102683$SS.4660181@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Moving Hives Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <67C89.3407$dn2.21101@eagle.america.net> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:35:22 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.238.131.240 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1029893698 64.238.131.240 (Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:34:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:34:58 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33174 I have move three hive about 30 feet lat in the evening and had no problems. "Pavel314" wrote in message news:7kA89.102683$SS.4660181@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... We got our first two hives earlier this year and put them out behind the vineyard. I'd like to move them to another part of the yard, about 50 feet away. I've read that you have to move them miles away for a while then bring them back to your property, as such a short move will confuse them. Either that or move them a few feet a day to their new location to allow them to acclimate to the new position. Is this true? Has anyone had experience with short moves of hives? Article 33175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ernie Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Large scale handling Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:00:18 -0400 Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsfeeds2 Message-ID: <3d62f37b_1@corp-news.newsgroups.com> X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to You may also use our online abuse reporting from: http://www.newsfeeds.com/abuseform.htm X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp-news.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33175 Hello Steve, Several years ago I visited with a fairly large packer on this side of the pond. His method was as follows: 1.Cut the top of the drums which had set with a drum cutting tool 2.Use a chain hoist to lift the drum by a clamp midway up the drum 3.Dump into a "recycled" milk holding tank ( the sort I have seen in use by small dairy farmers with agitator) 4.Pump thru a filter press to another elevated dairy tank 5.Elevated second tank fed the bottling tank He made extensive use of dairy tanks which were hooked to a hot water boiler, instead of a chiller. Ernie Scofield +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Newport wrote in message news:nbillug5p98rvureef94nnbi42allolh68@4ax.com... > Don't know if anybody can help here but I am looking at what is > involved in processing large drums of imported honey. > > The honey would be unfiltered and set by the time I get it and there > would obviously be the need for a warming room or the use of drum > heaters. > > From that point on I envisage a line something like this; > > Pump to empty the drums. > Large main and secondary filter (gravity fed or pumped through?) > Homogenizing tank to blend a large batch so it is of uniform > consistency. > From here I envisage decanting to smaller drums to allow partial > re-setting and feeding back into the homogenizing tank for blending to > a soft set. > From the homogenizing tank I would expect to use another pump to > transfer to the feed tank for a bottling station. > As for the bottling station that is another set of questions in its > own right, but that is for later. > > Anybody got any comments, suggestions or criticisms? > > I am based in the UK. Anybody recommend suitable suppliers (aside from > Thornes or Thornes agents) for equipment of this size? > > Many thanks > Steve Newport > Worthing > West Sussex Article 33176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D62889E.84890313@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey amount References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> <3D5E456E.A8CEBFC2@atlas.localdomain> <4Ry79.9437$LO1.736686@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3D607E85.1A90B57E@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:01:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1029909678 67.251.117.181 (Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:01:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:01:18 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33176 "Wuffman.Com" wrote: > >... I would not kill off a nest of bumblebees.... > > Can bumble bees be moved? If the property owner is afraid of them.... I > am amazed at how gental they are and as honey bees are... Its the wasps > and Yellow Jackets that give them all a bad name.... > > I wonder if there is any money to be made in bee removeal....??? > > Brian Yes, bumblebees can be moved. I moved 2 nests this spring and put them in bumble bee boxes (one that I bought and one that I made). One nest was in a corner of a chicken house, under some debris. The other one was in a trash can beneath some campfire kindling. (I had to remove all of the wood slowly before finally finding the nest). I located them on the shady side of an outbuilding out in the country near my garden. Bumblebees are excellent pollinators. The nests have finished for the summer and I guess that the new queens will soon go into the ground. I had another nest that I couldn't get to that was in an old chicken house that my husband and I are 'repairing' to use for storage. I left the nest alone and kept the entrance area clear for 'landings' and 'take-offs.' Bumblebees are fascinating. I got some good still shots and some video of them. The boxes are easy to make. Finding the nests or enticing a queen to use it are the real challenges! This was my first year working with bumblebees, but not my last, I hope. I will warn you, though. People will think you're nuts for capturing and housing bumblebees! Doesn't bother me. Louise Article 33177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.food.drinks,relcom.commerce.food.sweet,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.products,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.ag Subject: ëÕÐÌÀ ó/è ðòïäõëãéà Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:54:17 +0400 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-249.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1029910920 87872 195.64.233.249 (21 Aug 2002 06:22:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 2002 06:22:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.food:361337 relcom.commerce.food.drinks:100382 relcom.commerce.food.sweet:83428 relcom.commerce.machinery:341058 relcom.commerce.metals:403250 sci.agriculture:69900 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33177 sci.agriculture.fruit:4292 sci.agriculture.poultry:38643 ðÏËÕÐÁÅÍ ó/è ÐÒÏÄÕËÃÉÉÀ (ÐÛÅÎÉÃÕ,ÉÔÄ...) avantag@visti.com Article 33178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: ðòïäáà çéäòïãéìéîäòù, ôõòâéîù, çéäòïòáóðòåäåìéôåìé,ôïðìé÷îáñ áðáòáôõòá. 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Article 33179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BumbleBees (was Re: honey amount) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:28:13 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> <3D5E456E.A8CEBFC2@atlas.localdomain> <4Ry79.9437$LO1.736686@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3D607E85.1A90B57E@atlas.localdomain> <3D62889E.84890313@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-212-159-188-81.access.uk.tiscali.com (212.159.188.81) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1029918494 48071055 212.159.188.81 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dial-212-159-188-81.access.uk.tiscali.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33179 Louise Adderholdt wrote: > Yes, bumblebees can be moved. I moved 2 nests this spring and put > them in bumble bee boxes (one that I bought and one that I made). > I will warn you, though. People will think you're nuts for capturing > and housing bumblebees! Doesn't bother me. > > Louise Any chance of plans for BumbleBee nest boxes ?? Ben. Article 33180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave and Mon Holtom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone population Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:05:52 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.41.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: stones 1029952266 212.159.41.172 (Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:51:06 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:51:06 BST Organization: Customer of PlusNet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!landlord!stones.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33180 What my cause an exceptionally high drone population (30-40%) and is it likely to be a problem? The hive recently produced a swarm and there are a few empty queen cells. Dave Barwinnock Herbs Article 33181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Vair" From: "Vair" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Bumble bees Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <4kS89.5428$xL1.1006809@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:00:03 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.85.222.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1029960064 199.85.222.166 (Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:01:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:01:04 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33181 > Louise Adderholdt wrote: > > Yes, bumblebees can be moved. I moved 2 nests this spring and put > > them in bumble bee boxes (one that I bought and one that I made). > > > I will warn you, though. People will think you're nuts for capturing > > and housing bumblebees! Doesn't bother me. > > > > Louise > > Any chance of plans for BumbleBee nest boxes ?? > Ben. > Yes, I'd like plans too, Louise, if possible. I have been monitoring this group for a couple of months now, and have learned a great deal about beekeeping. I would like to get into it someday, but I am a student and tend to move around too much as yet. When you moved your bumble bees did you use a vacuum, or bee keeping gear? I am rather fond of Bumble bees myself. (maybe I'm nuts, too...) Thanks, Jesse remove "nospam" to reply Article 33182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "fuck you" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> Subject: Re: honey amount Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:56:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.20.0.184 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tin.it X-Trace: news2.tin.it 1029963401 172.20.0.184 (Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:56:41 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:56:41 MET DST Organization: TIN Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news.mailgate.org!news-out.tin.it!news-in.tin.it!news2.tin.it.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33182 Hi Helena, i've just harvested one of my three hives and i've got 20 Kg of honey. I live 30 Km north from Rome (Italy) and this year has been one of the worst year for honey production over here . I read on newspaper that the total italian production fall by 70 % (gasp!!!!). Regards Giuliano "Helena" <@> wrote in message news:3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee... > Hello! > > How much do you get honey from a hive? > I'm from Estonia and here the amount varies from 10 kg to 170 kg depending > the nectar fields, hive types and weather. > > (Excuse my english, if it's not correct) > > Article 33183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Elvis & Bee Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5314-3D6465DF-67@storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <3D60F695.C09F64CF@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAt4inXKaGK32BGaEaPalxOy9IW9MCFQC5fYpoicSTEoTJkrFcFsZqdfYfJQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!isdnet!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33183 Liberace, the pianist, gave Elvis the idea to dress in flashy costumes. Remember Liberace on stage in a white suit and white mink cape? I saw it on a documentary. Article 33184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9936fa52.0208201542.205f1aea@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: My experience with Bee-Quick Lines: 80 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:21:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029993700 216.26.16.225 (Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:21:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:21:40 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33184 I tried it also and yes I also found it worked too... I just wish I knew what was in it... Im bettin that the main ingrediant is almond oil... I was thinking about trying some raw almond oil and see what the bees reaction was... I did not get the right top for my bottle and when the guy that reads these groups from the bee quick place said he emailed the place I purchased it to send me another one I never got any word or a top back.. I tried several things.. I will look around for a hair spray bottle and try that.. I had hadly any luck with a breeze board but the fume board I got worked great. if the sun was out.. the way I was doing it was a bit waste ful I put a sqeeze lid from a shampoo bottle on the bottle and did a corner to corner x and I ran about 85% bees out of the hive, less than a dozen stayed in the supers and most were in the bottom of the deep or on the outside... I would be interested in buying the 1 gallon size if 1> it came with a small spray bottle and 2> I could find out the shelf life... I have 1/2 a 7 oz bottle left and I will try again next year with it to see if it still has the kick.... Brian Salem Oregon "Nuc Skep" wrote in message news:9936fa52.0208201542.205f1aea@posting.google.com... > There has been some discussion here recently about Fischer's Bee-Quick > (http://www.bee-quick.com/) for removing bees from honey supers at > harvest time. I tried it out this year and thought I'd share my > experience with the group. (And no, this isn't a commercial post. I > just felt like letting other's know one person's experience with a new > product.) > > First of all, I've removed bees in the past by blowing, brushing, > escape boards, and long ago, using butyric acid products on a fume > board. (I gave up on that one because I couldn't stand the smell.) > > I used Bee-Quick on several hives to remove about a dozen supers. It > was done at a couple of different times in the season, with > temperatures ranging from about 70 (and cloudy) to the upper 90's (and > sunny). None of these supers had brood in them, which I'm sure would > have changed the results. > > I tried it first with a fume board and wasn't real impressed. I then > built a breeze board and tried again. I found an old perfume spray > bottle and put the Bee-Quick in it. I would remove the top cover, put > the breeze board on top and give about 6 or 8 shots of the Bee-Quick > over the top. Immediately I could hear the loud buzzing as the bees > began moving down into the hive. I then put a crude cardboard "breeze > catcher" over the top of this to help direct the breeze downward. I > would leave it on for a few minutes, remove the super and then set up > the breeze board on the next super. > > The supers always seemed to have a few dozen bees left in them. (This > seemed consistent, no matter what the temperature, how much product I > sprayed or how long the board was left on.) I figured this was > acceptable considering how easy this was, and the fact that I'd > usually get a lot more bees than that in the back of the pickup, as > I'd be loading up the supers. (I have a canopy on the back of the > pickup and after shutting the panels, most of the bees would > eventually be buzzing at the window trying to get out, so I'd > ultimately bring very few bees home with me.) > > A couple other notes, while I'd hear lots of fanning going on, it > didn't seem to upset the bees too much. I did all this in a T-shirt > without taking a single sting. In previous years when using a blower > or brushing bees, I'd always suit up. Also the smell is more than > tolerable, it's fairly mild and almost pleasant. (I once used it to > remove a couple of supers during my lunch hour and then returned to > the office, something I would have never considered with butyric > acid.) > > The end result is I like it and I'm planning on using it again next > year. > > Nuc. > Article 33185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: web site Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:24:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029993841 216.26.16.225 (Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:24:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:24:01 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33185 ok I have a few web site names... that are available.... let me know witchone you think would be easy for you to remeber and more likely to visit.... BEESTOCK.COM APIARYNOTES.COM APIARYPOST.COM APIARYSTUFF.COM APIARYSUPPLIES.COM APIARYADS.COM I have the software and I am working with it already to see if it will meet my needs... Brian Article 33186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain> <3D5C6D5D.2C12524A@atlas.localdomain> <6cf1e1f0.0208201515.59a05edd@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Sourwood Honey Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:47:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1029995229 216.26.16.225 (Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:47:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:47:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33186 > All ot the supers were put on after the > sourwood bloom started and before it ended. The grey or blue tint is > also true. Down East in NC when the bees (rarely) work sourwood it is > pure blue. I am thinking about planting some flowering trees around my place... I looked up sourwood and all I can find are red ones.. could you snap me a photo of a blue one? I wonder how well they would grow in oregon.... What is thei bloom times? do they drop anything anoiing on the ground? my neighbor has a tree the dropes these little spikey balls they hurt if you step on em barefooted... I have offered to cut the tree down for her and I even offered her 200.00 to let me do it... it drops em in our front and side yard...and for some reason my mower won't picke em up and bag em for me.... Im going to get me a new apple tree next year too... ours is weird it only puts on apples every other year.... and this year it was not very good.... Article 33187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Large scale handling Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:52:34 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.157.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 1029998509 159.134.157.247 (Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:41:49 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:41:49 BST Organization: Eircom.Net http://www.eircom.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33187 Do not forget to consider the question of Foul Brood disease, the spores are carried in the honey and no local beekeeper will thank you. Ruary Rudd "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:nbillug5p98rvureef94nnbi42allolh68@4ax.com... > Don't know if anybody can help here but I am looking at what is > involved in processing large drums of imported honey. > > Many thanks > Steve Newport > Worthing > West Sussex Article 33188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Drone population Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <6l099.5795$NZ.317564@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:24:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1030001090 12.86.120.129 (Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:24:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:24:50 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33188 Laying worker? Queenless hive? "Dave and Mon Holtom" wrote in message news:eqQ89.369$J47.45032@stones... > What my cause an exceptionally high drone population (30-40%) and is it > likely to be a problem? > The hive recently produced a swarm and there are a few empty queen cells. > > Dave > > Barwinnock Herbs > > > > Article 33189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> Subject: Re: honey amount Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <4k099.5794$NZ.316772@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:23:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1030001024 12.86.120.129 (Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:23:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:23:44 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33189 Giuliano, You may want to check into your email adress you have showing below and the name you have showing up when you post a message.... Not sure why you have it that way but I am sure you have your reasons. "fuck you" wrote in message news:d8T89.12099$xi1.608324@news2.tin.it... > Hi Helena, > i've just harvested one of my three hives and i've got 20 Kg of honey. > I live 30 Km north from Rome (Italy) and this year has been one of the worst > year for honey production over here . 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Article 33192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sourwood Honey Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:05:32 -0400 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain> <3D5C6D5D.2C12524A@atlas.localdomain> <6cf1e1f0.0208201515.59a05edd@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1030025134 49301740 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33192 Sourwood blooms white. You need altitude of 2,000 feet or more to get any honey from it. Apple trees alternate years in yield due to incorrect (or no) pruning each spring. "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message news:xV_89.99$ld4.8381@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > All ot the supers were put on after the > > sourwood bloom started and before it ended. The grey or blue tint is > > also true. Down East in NC when the bees (rarely) work sourwood it is > > pure blue. > > I am thinking about planting some flowering trees around my place... I > looked up sourwood and all I can find are red ones.. could you snap me a > photo of a blue one? > > I wonder how well they would grow in oregon.... What is thei bloom times? > do they drop anything anoiing on the ground? my neighbor has a tree the > dropes these little spikey balls they hurt if you step on em barefooted... I > have offered to cut the tree down for her and I even offered her 200.00 to > let me do it... it drops em in our front and side yard...and for some reason > my mower won't picke em up and bag em for me.... > > Im going to get me a new apple tree next year too... ours is weird it only > puts on apples every other year.... and this year it was not very good.... > > Article 33193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain> <3D5C6D5D.2C12524A@atlas.localdomain> <6cf1e1f0.0208201515.59a05edd@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Sourwood Honey X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <%F699.17215$Aw4.719028@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:36:43 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 16 X-Trace: sv3-XJQIb5P5BKp8WKqrVwnStw7PUyhIF16wn4NfD3tKeCCyQQaRUrxZdFtJ78iMC/OeuwQuvmjnOVkZE6M!5/kRdX7BabYdyOjhBpYlMt2zat1o2z1WlQZtzL4NqRfGabiJsC9FceBd9+Lf9RGTxLqztued8rHs!6ZV4Z2gGvSAt X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:36:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33193 "KOland" wrote > Apple trees alternate years in yield due to incorrect (or no) pruning each > spring. Some varieties, such as the Northern Spy, naturally bloom every other year. Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 21 From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis-UK Newsletter August 2002 Message-ID: <1030052230.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:37:10 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1030052246 195.157.220.2 (Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:37:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:37:26 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33194 Hello and welcome to the FREE beekeeping newsletter Apis-UK The August issue of Apis-UK Newsletter is now available from our website. While you are online reading this message click on the link below to invoke your web browser and view the August issue of Apis-UK. http://www.beedata.com/apis-uk/newsletters/apis-uk0802.htm Contents: Editorial, news and events. Articles: Anaphylaxis, Insect Flight, and Microbial Control of Varroa, The Pollen Snow. Letters to the editor. This issue prints to 15 sides of A4. The Apis-UK notifications mailing list has grown to 226 subscribers, making Apis-UK a powerful communication tool for your beekeeping events. David Cramp the editor would welcome any contributions and feedback. Best Regards Steve (Apis-UK web editor) ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. Article 33195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone population Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:49:53 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: d8.af.6c.7c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 23 Aug 2002 03:55:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!isdnet!206.167.113.251.MISMATCH!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33195 One or two combs with too many drone cells and a queen who likes to lay drones can cause this. My partner once used my all drone cell deep honey super as a brood chamber, what a sight ! Article 33196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Listserv Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:20:35 -0600 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-236.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.162) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1030083619 49526016 209.115.174.162 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-236.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33196 > Hi folks. I am inquiring if there are any listserv's out there relating to > bee's. The best I could find on the web was reference to one hosted by > Albany College in the late 90's. That's BEE-L and it is still running strong. The University changed the LISTSERV address some years back. All the info you need to access BEE-L via the web or email is at http://www.internode.net/honeybee/BEE-L/ allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 33197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry METZ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TWO QUEEN HIVES ?? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:45:29 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.186.210 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1030102383 203.54.186.210 (Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:33:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:33:03 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33197 does anyone have experience with two queen hives that they'd like to share? -- Barry METZ Article 33198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry METZ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: TWO QUEEN HIVES ?? Address correction Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:52:27 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.186.210 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1030102801 203.54.186.210 (Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:40:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:40:01 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!nntp-relay.ihug.net!usenet.net.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33198 please remove DELETE "Barry METZ" wrote in message news:P3p99.12789$g9.41970@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > does anyone have experience with two queen hives that they'd like to share? > > > -- > Barry METZ > > Article 33199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D663675.70202BFF@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble bees References: <4kS89.5428$xL1.1006809@news20.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 72 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:01:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1030125686 67.251.117.79 (Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:01:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:01:26 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33199 Vair wrote: > > > Louise Adderholdt wrote: > > > Yes, bumblebees can be moved. I moved 2 nests this spring and put > > > them in bumble bee boxes (one that I bought and one that I made). > > > > > I will warn you, though. People will think you're nuts for capturing > > > and housing bumblebees! Doesn't bother me. > > > > > > Louise > > > > Any chance of plans for BumbleBee nest boxes ?? > > Ben. > > > > Yes, I'd like plans too, Louise, if possible. > > I have been monitoring this group for a couple of months now, and have > learned a great deal about beekeeping. I would like to get into it > someday, but I am a student and tend to move around too much as yet. > > When you moved your bumble bees did you use a vacuum, or bee keeping gear? > > I am rather fond of Bumble bees myself. (maybe I'm nuts, too...) > > Thanks, > > Jesse > > remove "nospam" to reply Jesse, I wore my beekeeping suit. Also, I worked at dusk, with just enough light to see, plus I had a flashlight. I took off the top of the bumblebee box; scooped the bumblebee nest with my hands (with gloves on) and placed it into the box and covered the box. I had placed a cork into the entrance hole of the bumblebee box. A couple of 'strays' got loose as I scooped up the nest. I caught them in glass jars. When I got home with the bees, I put the strays into the fridge to immobilize them and then put them into the box by sliding back the corner of the lid just enough to drop the bee in. I took the box to its permanent location that evening (one about 19 miles and a later nest about half a mile). I uncorked it the following morning and let the bees do the rest. The first bees emerging were small, but subsequent ones were larger. Bumblebees normally nest on the ground or close to it, but the box can be elevated after the bees are captured. This is the first year that I have found any nests, but I've had the box several years. I made two new boxes this year. The one I bought is smaller than the homemade one, but I like the larger ones. http://members.aol.com/beetools/bumble.htm (I used Style 2 design and I put the screen wire over the vent holes BEFORE putting the box together. If you have any questions, I'll be glad to try to answer them. I'm no expert, but I have had some success this year with my bumblebee boxes.) Other sources of information: http://www.organicpathways.co.nz/story.cfm?StoryID=129 http://www.kendall-bioresearch.co.uk/bumble.htm (info on bumblebees in the UK) http://members.aol.com/beetools/bumble.htm Louise Article 33200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Honeyhouse" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super Dumping Board? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.172.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1030155699 24.147.172.21 (Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:21:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:21:39 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:21:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33200 On the Beesource.com site there is a set of plans for a "Super Dumping Board" What is it used for? http://www.beesource.com/plans/dumpboard.pdf Article 33201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: shashikumar_p@hotmail.com (Shashi Kumar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pesticide effect on bee activity Date: 24 Aug 2002 05:52:14 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 164.164.31.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1030193534 30940 127.0.0.1 (24 Aug 2002 12:52:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2002 12:52:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33201 Hi, Am a amateur bee keeper(Bangalore, India). I have 5 hives in the backyard. Often i notice bees tend to less active (some dead bees in and around the bee hives). What i ASSUME is, this is might be due to pesticide spraying by farmers in their fields(mostly sunflower, with is 5 to 8 KM range). It would be of great help if, any one can throw some light on the effect of pesticides on bee activity. thanks, Shashi Article 33202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chris Jackson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees on my Hoya Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:07:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1030208762.14248.0.nnrp-10.9e983925@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: redlands.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: redlands.demon.co.uk:158.152.57.37 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1030208762 nnrp-10:14248 NO-IDENT redlands.demon.co.uk:158.152.57.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!redlands.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33202 I have a Hoya plant (http://www.succulent-plant.com/hoya.html) in my entrance porch, which until now hasn't attracted the attention of many insects. The plant is very aromatic, and drips nectar from it's flowers so I have often been curious as to why that might be. Anyway, I also keep a couple of colonies of bees in my back garden, and this morning they found the hoya plant. The porch has been buzzing loudly all day, a pretty interesting spectacle. Neither me or my partner are particularly bothered about this - I know the temperament of my bees and we am quite happy to walk through there with them flying around us, though it might give the postman a problem next week. My one concern is that the hoya might not be a particularly good plant for them to be foraging from. Does anyone know if the hoya nectar is harmful or OK for bees? FYI I'm in the midlands of the UK, and my bees of indeterminate descent (i.e. I don't know their strain). Chris Article 33203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Korver" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MOVING HIVES Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:56:51 +0200 Organization: XO Communications B.V. Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hmm-dca-ap01-d11-204.dial.freesurf.nl X-Trace: azure.nl.gxn.net 1030218949 6489 62.100.44.204 (24 Aug 2002 19:55:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@freesurf.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2002 19:55:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!opentransit.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news-x2.support.nl!blue.nl.gxn.net!azure.nl.gxn.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33203 In response to Pavel314 and TRIKER who discussed short and long moves of hives. To move your hives say ten kilometers away and then move them back again later will work. But it is fairly laborious. To move them thirty or fifty feet in the evening may seem to work but if you have a good look at your old site at the end of the first new day you will find that all your old foragers have returned to the old site and will die there. You could consider delaying the move until your old forager population is very low like after winter/early spring when the contribution by the old foragers is no longer important because there are many young bees in the hive to take their place. Nevertheless you will somehow have to weigh up your own sweat & labour against the loss of virtually all your foragers. Article 33204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ed, Purchasing Forum" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Large scale handling Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:38:04 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <25vfmuoeera4b5l65aka00m3hmct5sbg0c@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.belegaer.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1030224801 29423 62.136.137.105 (24 Aug 2002 21:33:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2002 21:33:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!195.92.193.180.MISMATCH!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33204 Point taken but what is the solution? On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:52:34 +0100, "Ruary Rudd" wrote: >Do not forget to consider the question of Foul Brood disease, the spores are >carried in the honey and no local beekeeper will thank you. >Ruary Rudd >"Steve Newport" wrote in message >news:nbillug5p98rvureef94nnbi42allolh68@4ax.com... >> Don't know if anybody can help here but I am looking at what is >> involved in processing large drums of imported honey. >> >> Many thanks >> Steve Newport >> Worthing >> West Sussex > Article 33205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ants? Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:41:55 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <49vfmu8grcjncm4t0a3u0dr648b6en6mk3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.belegaer.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1030225032 29423 62.136.137.105 (24 Aug 2002 21:37:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2002 21:37:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!195.92.193.180.MISMATCH!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33205 I was cleasring some of the weeds from around a hive today (I am in Sussex, UK) and I believe I disturbed a smaall red ants nest. I known the wasps are out looking for a way in but what about ants? Do they pose a threat? Thanks Steve Article 33206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants? Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:41:30 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <49vfmu8grcjncm4t0a3u0dr648b6en6mk3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-136.charizard.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1030225293 27580 217.135.69.136 (24 Aug 2002 21:41:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2002 21:41:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!195.92.193.180.MISMATCH!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33206 Not in the UK in my experience. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:49vfmu8grcjncm4t0a3u0dr648b6en6mk3@4ax.com... > I was cleasring some of the weeds from around a hive today (I am in > Sussex, UK) and I believe I disturbed a smaall red ants nest. > > I known the wasps are out looking for a way in but what about ants? Do > they pose a threat? > > Thanks > Steve Article 33207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Canadian Producer - contact details Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:46:17 +0100 Lines: 2 Message-ID: <8jvfmu4j6bav15vh7mfntr88dem2re0j29@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.belegaer.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1030225293 29423 62.136.137.105 (24 Aug 2002 21:41:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2002 21:41:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!195.92.193.180.MISMATCH!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33207 Does anybody have an email address for Purple Hill Apiaries in Surrey, Vancouver, Canada? Article 33208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Lemmens Eric" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumblebees Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:19:02 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3d6821c9$0$179$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.136.55.168 X-Trace: 1030234569 reader0.news.skynet.be 179 217.136.55.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.telebyte.nl!proxad.net!freenix!skynet.be!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33208 Hi For a friend of me i'm looking for nice pic.of bumblebeesnest , anatomie , breed .... also good ref. off books about this topic are welkom and webrelated sites. email : eric.lemmens@skynet.be THX Article 33209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Super Dumping Board? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:15:19 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 21 X-Trace: sv3-qmr9ZNUQHJ7uPVYHaBw8R1yjlqtOz3jPV1HgE0dFr9CCjtaABQP62IMjWn6NGcvAfqULHNxtUqvMN7Q!T5dkTxNwkx/drcQs/qolb0Kg8vNrxxcfTxPHdAjmVxYP5Ro/e7DS2Zi847ZIN8y2vrDEwmOKDYEL!11M7DB9jTV/NZUnmqA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:15:19 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33209 I've see it too. It's kindof hard to visualize from the drawing, but I'm pretty sure it's for pushing the frames up out of the super so you can get to them easier for uncapping. Just take the super and push it down hard over this board and the frames will pop up. At least, that's what I THINK it's for. :-) West Texas Mark "The Honeyhouse" wrote in message news:T4C99.230058$sA3.356529@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > On the Beesource.com site there is a set of plans for a "Super Dumping > Board" > What is it used for? > > http://www.beesource.com/plans/dumpboard.pdf > > > > > Article 33210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@firenet.ws (Freddie Cooke UK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Changing to larger brood frames. Date: 25 Aug 2002 17:38:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3f552cec.0208251638.b9c84f6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.130.173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1030322328 18939 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2002 00:38:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2002 00:38:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33210 I want to modify my Standard National brood chambres by use of the commercially available extension kit. That's the easy bit. But how do you move existing colonies to the larger frames eh? Is there a 'best practice' method of moving the colonies from the existing SN frames to new Modified SN frames? I have searched the commonly available literature and cannot find an appropriate article. No one in my association has made the change-over, they simply started out with Modified Nationals or Langstroths. Article 33211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D5BF46B.EBF62F38@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Drought tolerant nectar sources X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:00:37 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 109 X-Trace: sv3-HqslrBRBxIHwicnczUCC8dO1oMJf4pR04/uScqV65V5FMIhOKN9U9hzuNg9i52NBMXFCVc4xJ1NLiWD!rouLmi7NVDsYvX+OtvN6j034tEgqGlj/rFe3p48mryibNdEGM04p1ak8crcyZnO+u1jbBp9JcNkz!rmhBlrSA00Tvv1g= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:00:37 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33211 "AL" wrote > I have been following a discussion in another forum about nectar for > dark honey where drought resistant nectar sources was mentioned. Given > our current drought, and the fact that this is normally a dry time of > year for us anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about drought > tolerant nectar sources . > Recognizing that seasonal differences exist from one region to the next > that would affect plant selection and timing, the options would have to > be weighed with that in mind. > > I realize its a bit late this year to take any action, but it would be > good to have some ideas for next year. I've been hoping someone would chime in on this subject, but since it appears everyone is out fishing I'll try priming the pump and see if we can't get a dialogue going. As Big Al mentions above, there are differences from one area of the world to another that makes any recommendations subject to local interpretation. Our bee plant experiences are based on our local growing conditions only and may - or may not - apply elsewhere. While it may not be practical for the large producer to plant solely for honey production, it has been my experience that it is possible for the small hobby beekeeper to do so. In our case we have little aster or goldenrod in the area so there is virtually no nectar production, except for garden plants, from late July until the knapweed blooms in late Aug. For that reason we constantly experiment with specialized plants that will produce with this dearth period in mind. There are two main ways to provide bees with plants to work during dry periods, one is by timing the bloom using irrigated plants, the other is by planting those plants that can both survive drought on their own and bloom during the dearth of other plants. When irrigation is available buckwheat is one of the more versatile nectar producing plants as it can either be planted to bloom at a particular time, or the plantings can be spread out to provide a constant flow. In a garden, or other available irrigated area, there are many plants that can provide booms during late summer, but unless it is a commercial seed producing operation it is unlikely there will be enough plants available to produce a pure flow. We like to think of this situation as "adding to the mix," and it can produce some very interesting honeys. Some nectar producing plants we have found to be useful in our area in the garden/nursery setting during late summer are (common names, Latin names can be furnished on request) mint, seed broccoli, and seed onions. Drought tolerant plants include culinary sage, thyme, sedum, catnip, lemon balm, scabiosa, borage, and speedwell (veronica). One other option available is to move the hives to a nectar producing area during times of drought. In these parts the two noxious weeds, spotted knapweed and purple loosestrife, are said to produce excellent honey and are *very* proliferate. Although I don't think fireweed is listed as a noxious weed, it is also an excellent source of late-season honey in some areas and the flow can last from mid-July to first frost by merely moving the hives to match the flow at different elevations. Hereabouts a permit is needed to put hives in the National Forest, where the majority of the fireweed is found, but it is a source that is virtually untapped. We would be very interested in hearing what other beekeepers are doing in this area. Skip (and Christy too) Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Cappucino" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee questionzzz Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:36:58 +0800 Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.186.142.19 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.186.142.19 Message-ID: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> X-Trace: news.tm.net.my 1030357709 210.186.142.19 (26 Aug 2002 18:28:29 +0800) Organization: TMnet Malaysia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.tm.net.my Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33212 Hai, I'm a newbie here and very interested with beekeeping. But I have no idea how to start. Can anyone suggest websites that provide useful information on how to start it from A to Z. Thanks in advance. Article 33213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ernie Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> Subject: Re: Newbee questionzzz Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:13:27 -0400 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsfeeds2 Message-ID: <3d6a1a92_1@corp-news.newsgroups.com> X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Best Regards, Alex Himchenko, Tel./Fax: +380 (44) 295-90-03 E-mail: med@bi.net.ua Article 33215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: MOVING HIVES Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:53:00 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:59:25 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!fs01-sjc1.usenetserver.com!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33215 You can always move them 5-10 feet a day, if that's logistically possible. They will be a bit slowed but recover in a few hours. Leave them 2-3 days between moves. Britt Childress Article 33216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7kA89.102683$SS.4660181@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Moving Hives Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:57:22 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:03:47 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!128.135.12.170.MISMATCH!news.uchicago.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!63.210.96.66.MISMATCH!ps01-chi1!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33216 You can always move them 5-10 feet a day, if that's logistically possible. They will be a bit slowed but recover in a few hours. Leave them 2-3 days between moves. Britt Childress Article 33217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D60F695.C09F64CF@boeing.com> <5314-3D6465DF-67@storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Elvis & Bees, Dolly Parton Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <5Hwa9.70062$%v4.2866338@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:01:53 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:08:18 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!ps01-chi1!fs01-sjc1.usenetserver.com!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33217 I think Elvis must have been doing the wag dance to tell everyone where his food and drugs were. . Dolly Parton got her looks and clothes from crossdressers that existed (and still do!) deep in the mountains of her early years. They had drag shows and loved of course to "queen it up" a bit. Those were her words in an interview. Our icons themselves borrowed from icons. Britt Childress "Miss Pamb" wrote in message news:5314-3D6465DF-67@storefull-2117.public.lawson.webtv.net... > Liberace, the pianist, gave Elvis the idea to dress in flashy costumes. > Remember Liberace on stage in a white suit and white mink cape? I saw it > on a documentary. > Article 33218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> Subject: hey Brian Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:07:32 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:13:57 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!ps01-sjc1!fs01-sjc1.usenetserver.com!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33218 Better watch feeding them this time of year- you might stimulate the queen to lay, then the workers will have to support the larvae, which get fed about every two minutes. You will have too high a population when winter does come. Rember also to combine a weak and a strong, many old timers here in South Carolina laugh at the idea of adding two weak hives together- which I've tried before with little long term success- they are still weak next spring. Fall re-queening is a good idea, a fresh gal can turn things around and they can put up stores themselves with any fall flow you get up there. Britt Childress Article 33219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Propolis and Honey Filtration Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:18:00 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:24:25 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!ps01-chi1!fs01-sjc1.usenetserver.com!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33219 Propolis are plant resins, collected from wounds and seepages on some plants, and actual pores on others. Bees collect this and bring it back to the hive where the chew it to soften and homogenize it, then plaster anything smaller than beespace with it. All you cracks and joints inside the Langstroth hive get glued together with this stuff, which is incredibly anti-microbial against bacteria, fungi and viruses. It is also water proof. I use a propolis collector and make tinctures with it using grain alcohol and a dropper bottle. This tincture works wonders on animal wounds as it can't be licked away and protects humans just as well. It can also be used to treat/cure/prevent athletes foot and other fungi. You should filter your honey with something to remove your wax particles- use any non-cotton (no cheesecloth) material and strain your honey through this- the more layers, the better. I use silk-screen material from a t-shirt shop. Easy to get and cheaper than from a bee supplier, and can be machine-washed when done. Some people here use panty hose inside an acrylic sock- but the material stretches when you pour the honey through and the pores become bigger and more debris gets through- slower is better there, and more layers. "Polish it" good luck Britt Childress Article 33220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hey Brian Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:03:24 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-658.clefairy.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1030399466 3212 217.135.91.146 (26 Aug 2002 22:04:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2002 22:04:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33220 "Britt Childress" wrote in message news:oMwa9.70101$%v4.2874029@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com... > Better watch feeding them this time of year- you might stimulate the queen > to lay, then the workers will have to support the larvae, which get fed > about every two minutes. Actually it is approximately every 20 minutes. You will have too high a population when winter > does come. I think this unlikely - it is good to have plenty of young bees going into winter. The important thing is to control varroa so that those young bees are free from deformed wing virus. > Rember also to combine a weak and a strong But do make sure that the weak colony is not weak because it is diseased, otherwise you will spread the disease to your strong colony! Article 33221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing to larger brood frames. Date: 26 Aug 2002 15:51:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0208261451.3e6d68a0@posting.google.com> References: <3f552cec.0208251638.b9c84f6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.108.76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1030402269 1681 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2002 22:51:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2002 22:51:09 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33221 fcooke@firenet.ws (Freddie Cooke UK) wrote in message news:<3f552cec.0208251638.b9c84f6@posting.google.com>... > I want to modify my Standard National brood chambres by use of the > commercially available extension kit. That's the easy bit. But how do > you move existing colonies to the larger frames eh? > Is there a 'best practice' method of moving the colonies from the > existing SN frames to new Modified SN frames? I have searched the > commonly available literature and cannot find an appropriate article. > No one in my association has made the change-over, they simply started > out with Modified Nationals or Langstroths. I am not ok with modifications to standard national boxes as I use modified commercials, I would suggest that get a set of drawn out larger frames in the modified box, with one of the older frames of sealed brood plus the queen on the bottom, then put a queen excluder on the top and over that put the remainder of the rest of the old frames in an unmodified box then let them all hatch out. They will then amalgamate and the queen will only lay in the bottom box. Remove the top box and you will be in a natural state of running the colony as you would normally Article 33222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee questionzzz Date: 26 Aug 2002 15:54:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0208261454.639763be@posting.google.com> References: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.108.76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1030402483 1921 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2002 22:54:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2002 22:54:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33222 "Cappucino" wrote in message news:<3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my>... > Hai, I'm a newbie here and very interested with beekeeping. But I have no > idea how to start. Can anyone suggest websites that provide useful > information on how to start it from A to Z. > > Thanks in advance. type in beekeeping in the search box and you will find lots of sites. But the best way to learn is to join your local club and get some first hand info from the members.Also get a decent beginners manual. Albert cannon Take care and stay lucky Article 33223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> Subject: Re: hey Brian Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1030408499 216.26.16.169 (Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:34:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:34:59 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33223 Im just afraid they may be too weak to winter out... I just re-queened both hives and I ran out of sugar water for right now but I plan on making some more up... and starting again in October... what is the safe shelf life or sugar water, 1:1? I like to make it up in large batches and fill a case or 2 of quart canning jars so all I have to do is swap the lids withthe empty one and put it out for the bees.... I prefer to do this at night... I was at the state fair and talking to a old timer beekeeper and he told me he uses strips of paper towels soked in canola oil to treat for mites.. and then if a hive gets realy bad he will actual use a chemical strip.... I think Ill try this... Brian "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:ake8la$34c$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > "Britt Childress" wrote in message > news:oMwa9.70101$%v4.2874029@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com... > > Better watch feeding them this time of year- you might stimulate the queen > > to lay, then the workers will have to support the larvae, which get fed > > about every two minutes. > > Actually it is approximately every 20 minutes. > > You will have too high a population when winter > > does come. > > I think this unlikely - it is good to have plenty of young bees going into > winter. The important thing is to control varroa so that those young bees > are free from deformed wing virus. > > > Rember also to combine a weak and a strong > > But do make sure that the weak colony is not weak because it is diseased, > otherwise you will spread the disease to your strong colony! > > > Article 33224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7kA89.102683$SS.4660181@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Moving Hives Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:38:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1030408683 216.26.16.169 (Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:38:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:38:03 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33224 Does putting shapes or numbers above the entrance in black paint help very much when moving? Ive seen pctures of squares and triangles on the brood box's I asked a old timer about them and he told me when you have several colonies close togeather they help the bees find home... Brian "Britt Childress" wrote in message news:SCwa9.70031$%v4.2870734@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com... > You can always move them 5-10 feet a day, if that's logistically possible. > They will be a bit slowed but recover in a few hours. Leave them 2-3 days > between moves. > > Britt Childress > > > > > Article 33225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "tiro" From: "tiro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping insurance Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:55:49 -0400 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.218.8.181 Message-ID: <3d6ac90f_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1030408463 66.218.8.181 (26 Aug 2002 19:34:23 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33225 Where do you get beekeeping insurance, I just want the product liability insurance to sell the honey I produce.. I am a small hobby beekeeper, and can only sell about 50 lbs or so. where i get the insurance? how much is the average cost? I tried a couple of insurance companies and they were high on the price,,, I am not a business,, just a hobbyist trying to keep the hobby expenses down to a reasonable level. thanks tiro1 -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6B150A.6DFF19C3@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drought tolerant nectar sources References: <3D5BF46B.EBF62F38@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:05:03 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 26 X-Trace: sv3-uEgnIjZ73OHsLcJi7e6hsjXE+mCUXKCX2JWToxCoT4QKOQM6an0SLeJf3vv6fUJTruQKOulQvRm8bw0!CCcTkm7mPO3tKkw19n0Wqb2Oo/gSpGXbpkyyPPjiedVaf5fNI8PlQXKYrdTlP0p9mj64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:05:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca6-feed1.news.algx.net!dca1-feed1.news.algx.net!dfw3-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33226 The Rock Garden wrote: > "AL" wrote > > > I have been following a discussion in another forum about nectar for > > dark honey where drought resistant nectar sources was mentioned. Given > > our current drought, and the fact that this is normally a dry time of > > year for us anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about drought > > tolerant nectar sources . > > > I've been hoping someone would chime in on this subject, ... > > > > We would be very interested in hearing what other beekeepers are doing in > this area. > > Skip (and Christy too) > Could it be this is just too dry a subject to raise much interest? AL Article 33227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6B159C.3E8C24@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee questionzzz References: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:07:28 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 15 X-Trace: sv3-jUIL5TpbO65iAAtZO+t2yeyy8C6aPTM7SztRB+Lls22FRp0RxpzHAwtwyrcA2QwKTxbOGt656PRP3FN!Yoqc/+ZmTn5eDp5cTnf5LiEzQLe8w8EnwalDi1g5lp7VtOLC9ZriIQ0WJLl4agKJSg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:07:28 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33227 Cappucino wrote: > Hai, I'm a newbie here and very interested with beekeeping. But I have no > idea how to start. Can anyone suggest websites that provide useful > information on how to start it from A to Z. > > Thanks in advance. I've tried to email you a lengthy list of URLs but your address comes back undeliverable - send me a valid address and I've got a ton of resources to send you. AL Article 33228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> Subject: Re: Newbee questionzzz Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:36:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.84 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1030426580 12.86.120.84 (Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:36:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:36:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33228 I found "Beekeeping for dummies" an excellent guide. I am new myself "Cappucino" wrote in message news:3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my... > Hai, I'm a newbie here and very interested with beekeeping. But I have no > idea how to start. Can anyone suggest websites that provide useful > information on how to start it from A to Z. > > Thanks in advance. > > Article 33229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: âÁÒÔÅÒ!!!!!! úÁÐÁÓÎÙÅ ÞÁÓÔÉ ÎÁ Ó/È ÐÒÏÄËÃÉÀ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:09:37 +0400 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-74.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1030428924 61045 195.64.233.74 (27 Aug 2002 06:15:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2002 06:15:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news1.spb.su!image.surnet.ru!surnet.ru!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:69916 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33229 sci.agriculture.fruit:4298 sci.agriculture.poultry:38804 sci.agriculture.ratites:1827 éÎÔÅÒÅÓÕÅÔ ÐÛÅÎÉÃÁ ÆÕÒÁÖÎÁÑ, ÓÁÈÁÒ. âÁÒÔÅÒ ÎÁ ÚÁÐÁÓÎÙÅ ÞÁÓÔÉ Ë ÔÒÁËÔÏÒÁÍ É ËÏÍÂÁÉÎÁÍ. Article 33230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "zainurin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:26:48 +0800 Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.186.140.52 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.186.140.52 Message-ID: <3d6b601f_1@news.tm.net.my> X-Trace: news.tm.net.my 1030447135 210.186.140.52 (27 Aug 2002 19:18:55 +0800) Organization: TMnet Malaysia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.tm.net.my Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33230 Hi, I'm from Malaysia. Beekeeping is is something new to me and I feel it very interesting. The major problem I faced if I want to start this hobby are 1. Hive - since there are no beekeper in my country there are no chance for me to get the second hand bee hive. To order from outside it is to expensive after included freight cost. I cannot find the clear layout how to construct a bee hive. 2.Bee - further to the no beekeper here it is impossible to get the bees and its queen. I found some website that offer some bee and the queens but is it possible to ship it here. 3.Just a question : If the queen bee is confined in the 'queen box' ( small box to trap queen but allow the workers to go in and out) how is she going to lay eggs? If the queen is release , it will fly away.So all the bees. Or maybe the workers collect the eggs ? Maybe not today, not even tomorrow but B4 end of this year, I wish I have at least one bee hive. Article 33231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Traveler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hey Brian Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:35:18 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 89 Message-ID: References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.ef.8a.c3 X-Server-Date: 27 Aug 2002 12:37:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33231 Brian, I agree, feeding now increases your colony strength going into the winter. A strong colony now stores more honey for the colony to survive the winter. I am in Kentucky and build all of my hives to 2 each deep supers. This should weigh 80 to 100lbs (heft the back of the hive). 5 lbs of sugar to 1 gal of water will encourage/stimulate egg laying, wax production, etc. The fall nectar flow is just a few days away for this area. Once this flow kicks in, I will stop feeding until it stops. Winter feeding is different and should be 2:1 sugar to water. This will feed but not simulate nectar flow. How many hives do you have? You mention you use quart jars, are you feeding this at the top or at the bottom board? I don't recommend the bottom board - it encourages other hives to start robbing. Feed at the top through the inner cover and place another super over the top to protect the feeder. For trachea mites, make up some grease patties. For varroa, open some sealed cells - check the drone cells (they look like bullets) and count total number of mites for 10 cells checked. If more than 4, you probably need to treat. A mechanical method to help but not cure the mite problem is a bottom board screen (IPM board). You can find instructions at beesource.com. I always let my bees clean out the extracted frames. However, I prefer to set them back on an active hive to discourage robbing. If you are spreading disease this way, you have a problem you should have already checked/treated and your honey product could be compromised. Bee happy, KY Beekeeper "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message news:TOza9.1519$N%4.124052@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Im just afraid they may be too weak to winter out... I just re-queened both > hives and I ran out of sugar water for right now but I plan on making some > more up... and starting again in October... what is the safe shelf life or > sugar water, 1:1? I like to make it up in large batches and fill a case or > 2 of quart canning jars so all I have to do is swap the lids withthe empty > one and put it out for the bees.... I prefer to do this at night... > > I was at the state fair and talking to a old timer beekeeper and he told me > he uses strips of paper towels soked in canola oil to treat for mites.. and > then if a hive gets realy bad he will actual use a chemical strip.... I > think Ill try this... > > Brian > > > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:ake8la$34c$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Britt Childress" wrote in message > > news:oMwa9.70101$%v4.2874029@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com... > > > Better watch feeding them this time of year- you might stimulate the > queen > > > to lay, then the workers will have to support the larvae, which get fed > > > about every two minutes. > > > > Actually it is approximately every 20 minutes. > > > > You will have too high a population when winter > > > does come. > > > > I think this unlikely - it is good to have plenty of young bees going into > > winter. The important thing is to control varroa so that those young bees > > are free from deformed wing virus. > > > > > Rember also to combine a weak and a strong > > > > But do make sure that the weak colony is not weak because it is diseased, > > otherwise you will spread the disease to your strong colony! > > > > > > > > Article 33232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Traveler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pesticide effect on bee activity Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:27:39 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.ef.a9.04 X-Server-Date: 27 Aug 2002 15:28:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33232 Shashi, It is best not to assume anything when it comes to bees. Several questions come to mind: Are the hives new? What season are you in right now (I am unfamiliar with India's climate)? Have you inspected the hives to determine if there are other problems (look for disease, mites, etc)? Try to determine the general health & condition of your hives. Then, go to the local farmers to determine what they are using and when. You may even be able to work out a pollination agreement with them - depending on the size of their farming operation. Let us know what you find. Perhaps we can be of more assistance at that time. Kentucky Beekeeper "Shashi Kumar" wrote in message news:bc070574.0208240452.7d208db0@posting.google.com... > Hi, > > Am a amateur bee keeper(Bangalore, India). I have 5 hives in the > backyard. Often i notice bees tend to less active (some dead bees in > and around the bee hives). What i ASSUME is, this is might be due to > pesticide spraying by farmers in their fields(mostly sunflower, with > is 5 to 8 KM range). It would be of great help if, any one can throw > some light on the effect of pesticides on bee activity. > > thanks, > Shashi Article 33233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Traveler" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2002 4-H Ohio State Winner Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:37:59 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.ef.ce.81 X-Server-Date: 27 Aug 2002 19:39:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:868 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33233 Hey, congratulations to both of you!!!! You must bee very proud! Thanks for sharing, KY BeeKeeper "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:ajqood$1d7507$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Well, my daughter built the page. With help from dad : ) I will see if we > can update the page when she gets down from the clouds ; ) > -- > > OhioBeeFarmer > Getting kids involved in Beekeeping > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message > news:Slm79.7872$LO1.636710@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Way to go..... > > > > Hey I looked atthe web site.. I was wondering if you built it or if you > know > > who did... I think they left out a bunch of information that would be > > nice... I.E what did your daughter have to do to win first place? > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > > news:ajjjjk$1bgcj4$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > > Just wanted to thank everyone for supporting 4-H and just brag a little > > that > > > my daughter worked hard for the #1 one honors of the 2002 Ohio State > > Junior > > > Beekeeping award. Check out her website with her grin ear to ear. > > > -- > > > > > > OhioBeeFarmer > > > Getting kids involved in Beekeeping > > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jared Dyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? Reply-To: jdyer@earthlink.net Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.570 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GC-Trace: gv1-IhGsFmoW2LCsJHxng0fWQy2tI06f8sySYQ= NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:02:52 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 13 X-Trace: sv3-a5X6j9NGO4uhRqDtl77Cp7MkH1plv1fnGVjczxM4mMxD0vxu2vL8uljTqdjGvo30cUXx25aOI2hVjM+!XmrPtROvHr4NHd5D7D7O8SH0poch/d48JH6R9CbNOfSGsmafXgDPGY2et02e5H1jnpqm84XxEMy2!9qE8hmWo9q2/UPuvCg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:02:52 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.166.71.10!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33234 I perform vector control at a local zoo and we currently have swarm traps out. We've been getting overwhelmed by swarms due to a drought in the area and started using swarm traps as a tool to help draw them away from the public and animal enclosures. So far it's been very successful. The problem I've been having, it appears the same bee's are returning after I release them a few miles away. How far do I need to drive them to ensure they won't return back to the zoo? Thanks, Jared Article 33235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6C172A.51A9C0A8@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Testing of honey? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:19:54 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1030494369 209.239.173.174 (Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:26:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:26:09 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33235 Hi, I've recently started back into the hobby and have a single hive with two full shallow supers - not bad for a swarm started late in the season with a double hive body on nothing but foundation :) I've never bothered with any sort of testing in the past, but I'm wondering if that might now be advisable, given the use of pesticides in my urban environment. What do you think? Any thoughts on what kind of tests are availible, cost, or if it is necessary at all? Thanks! Rick remove "foo"s to reply directly. Article 33236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6C1990.8BED432E@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie References: <3d6b601f_1@news.tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:30:08 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1030494983 209.239.173.174 (Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:36:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:36:23 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!194.168.4.91.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33236 Hi, Welcome to beekeeping! > Hi, I'm from Malaysia. Beekeeping is is something new to me and I feel it > very interesting. The major problem I faced if I want to start this hobby > are Perhaps you can contact this group for help and information on beekeeping in Malaysia: http://www.idrc.ca/library/document/030819/ > 1. Hive - since there are no beekeper in my country there are no chance for > me to get the second hand bee hive. To order from outside it is to expensive > after included freight cost. I cannot find the clear layout how to construct > a bee hive. Look here for plans of many kind: http://www.beesource.com/ > 2.Bee - further to the no beekeper here it is impossible to get the bees and > its queen. I found some website that offer some bee and the queens but is it > possible to ship it here. Perhaps you can find a wild colony and capture it? http://www.bindaree.com.au/hints/hint12_beelining.htm Or notify your local government. I don't know where you live, but around here people become alarmed when a swarm of bees settles in their yard and call the authorities. If you leave your name with government agencies as a beekeeper, perhaps they will call you to collect a swarm. > 3.Just a question : If the queen bee is confined in the 'queen box' ( small > box to trap queen but allow the workers to go in and out) how is she going > to lay eggs? If the queen is release , it will fly away.So all the bees. Or > maybe the workers collect the eggs ? If a queen is shipped in a cage, the workers will feed her through the wire mesh. The mesh is too small for the workers to go in and out. There is a plug of sugar candy ant one end of the cage. y the time the workers eat though this plug the queen should be acclimated to her new home and will not leave. > Maybe not today, not even tomorrow but B4 end of this year, I wish I have at > least one bee hive. Good luck! Rick Article 33237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6C1BE4.4CB60124@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:40:04 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1030495579 209.239.173.174 (Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:46:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:46:19 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33237 Jared, > The problem I've been having, it appears the same bee's are > returning after I release them a few miles away. How far do I need to > drive them to ensure they won't return back to the zoo? Perhaps if you contact a local beekeeping group they will take the swarms off of your hands? How can you tell it is the same swarms? It seems unlikely to me that they would return to the zoo from miles away, but it is an interesting thought. How long do you allow them to stay in the trap before moving them? I don't know if anyone has done the experiment of dumping a hive, queen and all, at a remote location to see if they can return. Certainly the queen wouldn't know where she is, but I suppose it is possible for the workers to lead her back "home". You should mark the bees - sounds like a good topic for a graduate study :} Rick Article 33238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jared Dyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? Reply-To: jdyer@earthlink.net Message-ID: <7n9omu0ibjr6m42q0j1bni7joa07s56vh8@4ax.com> References: <3D6C1BE4.4CB60124@foobatnet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.570 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:47:41 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 40 X-Trace: sv3-PtiKyYsHhbt4v/V7s29hlX8c/FoWcoaMWiIU9PZrL/blRotNFU/MnrwLhEQutWhH3Eu/h2G2JiAbAXv!NTiSelZReYC45dYtOqrAmDPtmP2bSDzLUyMKXflZJ+cb53Y/aN2IDwkyVmKVIfmUUg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:47:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.166.71.10!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33238 On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:40:04 -0700, Richard Hyde wrote: >Jared, > >> The problem I've been having, it appears the same bee's are >> returning after I release them a few miles away. How far do I need to >> drive them to ensure they won't return back to the zoo? > >Perhaps if you contact a local beekeeping group they will take the >swarms off of your hands? I've heard most won't take them because the area is Africanized. >How can you tell it is the same swarms? They return to the same spot, the same day, but I don't know for sure. They also seem quite agitated when they return and in one case the returning swarm killed 3 rare birds in a nearby aviary. Thinking they were Africanized we had this swarm analyzed by the agriculture dept. and it turned out to be 98% European according to the genetic test. >they would return to the zoo from miles away, but it is an interesting >thought. How long do you allow them to stay in the trap before moving >them? I usually check them daily, except weekends. >You should mark the bees - sounds like a good topic for a graduate study I might try that, but not the study ;-) Thanks, Jared >:} > >Rick Article 33239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6C34EC.D181737@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:26:52 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1030501988 209.239.173.174 (Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:33:08 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:33:08 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33239 Jared, > How far do I need to > drive them to ensure they won't return back to the zoo? Just found this: http://www.beesource.com/pov/wenner/fig6amzool91.htm However, if they think they are flying "home", who knows? Cheers, Rick Article 33240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6C3275.FDB53381@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? References: <3D6C1BE4.4CB60124@foobatnet.com> <7n9omu0ibjr6m42q0j1bni7joa07s56vh8@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:16:21 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1030501358 209.239.173.174 (Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:22:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:22:38 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33240 Jared, > >How can you tell it is the same swarms? > > They return to the same spot, the same day, but I don't know for sure. > They also seem quite agitated when they return and in one case the > returning swarm killed 3 rare birds in a nearby aviary. Thinking they > were Africanized we had this swarm analyzed by the agriculture dept. > and it turned out to be 98% European according to the genetic test. How unfortunate :( I would consider using pesticide in this situation. If they may be africanized to the point where local beekeepers are not willing to take the risk, perhaps the general public should not have to either. I'm loathe to suggest it, but what can you do? The fact that they are agitated adds weight to the fact that they are the same swarm, now depleted of honey reserves. Spraying with sugar solution would help calm them. > >they would return to the zoo from miles away, but it is an interesting > >thought. How long do you allow them to stay in the trap before moving > >them? > > I usually check them daily, except weekends. Well I just don't know then. Perhaps one of the more experienced folks here could comment. From the tone of the discussion I assume you are in the USA with it's wonderful(?) freeway system, in which case 20 miles is not much further than two or three and would most likely solve the problem. Good luck! Rick Article 33241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: ïâíåî!!!! 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Article 33242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing to larger brood frames. Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:40:15 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3f552cec.0208251638.b9c84f6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-212-159-182-192.access.uk.tiscali.com (212.159.182.192) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1030524020 53795949 212.159.182.192 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dial-212-159-182-192.access.uk.tiscali.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33242 Freddie Cooke UK wrote: > I want to modify my Standard National brood chambres by use of the > commercially available extension kit. That's the easy bit. But how do > you move existing colonies to the larger frames eh? > Is there a 'best practice' method of moving the colonies from the > existing SN frames to new Modified SN frames? I have searched the > commonly available literature and cannot find an appropriate article. > No one in my association has made the change-over, they simply started > out with Modified Nationals or Langstroths. I have done this to both my hives this year, I went from national deep (14x8.5) to 16x10 and just put the new brood chamber under the old one, after a couple of weeks when the combs were drawn out and the queen had started to lay, I smoked the upper brood box from above (to drive as many bees and hopefully the queen down to the new box) and put the queen excluder between the 2 boxes, later in the year I removed the old box and extracted the honey that had been stored in it. This does however require a spare brood box to hold the new frames, how you would go about converting without an extra box I don't know. Ben. Article 33243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "zainurin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> <4169b71c.0208261454.639763be@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Newbee questionzzz Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:24:19 +0800 Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: sag-100-83.tm.net.my X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: sag-100-83.tm.net.my Message-ID: <3d6ca21b_2@news.tm.net.my> X-Trace: news.tm.net.my 1030529563 sag-100-83.tm.net.my (28 Aug 2002 18:12:43 +0800) Organization: TMnet Malaysia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.tm.net.my Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33243 albert cannon wrote in message news:4169b71c.0208261454.639763be@posting.google.com... > "Cappucino" wrote in message news:<3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my>... > > Hai, I'm a newbie here and very interested with beekeeping. But I have no > > idea how to start. Can anyone suggest websites that provide useful > > information on how to start it from A to Z. > > > > Thanks in advance. > type in beekeeping in the search box and you will find lots of sites. > But the best way to learn is to join your local club and get some > first hand info from the members.Also get a decent beginners manual. > Albert cannon > Take care and stay lucky Correct there are tons of websites, but most of them are too general . For your knowledge I am from Malaysia. Beekeeping is something unusual here. I only can find the reference only in the internet. You can consider there is no beekeper in my country. Honey are collected traditionally from the bee hives up of the trees. And further of that there are no beekeeper club here. For the beginning I want to know about the bee hive only. How to construct, what the function of each layer of the hive, the measurement etc. Then only I will go further to the requeening etc. Maybe I should look for some books which I can order on line. Any suggestion ? Article 33244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:41:01 -0400 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3D6C1BE4.4CB60124@foobatnet.com> <7n9omu0ibjr6m42q0j1bni7joa07s56vh8@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1030542063 52939931 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33244 "Jared Dyer" wrote in message news:7n9omu0ibjr6m42q0j1bni7joa07s56vh8@4ax.com... > They return to the same spot, the same day, but I don't know for sure. > They also seem quite agitated when they return and in one case the > returning swarm killed 3 rare birds in a nearby aviary. Thinking they > were Africanized we had this swarm analyzed by the agriculture dept. > and it turned out to be 98% European according to the genetic test. More than likely, the "returning swarm" is foragers that were out during the day. Now, you have a large number of queenless bees -- that would also explain the agitation. Hives should be moved at night, with the entrance screened, to prevent leaving large numbers behind. If the bees are unsalvageable by a beekeeper (call a local beekeeping club or a beekeeper, not your local govt), then they should be killed -- you are just endangering others by releasing them into another area. Not to mention your zoo stock by doing it incorrectly. Article 33245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: conditions in california Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:45:29 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1030553153.902724@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33245 see "California bees thirst for nectar in unusually dry weather" at: http://www.fresnobee.com/state_wire/story/4153775p-5176245c.html Article 33246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Getting bees in a jar Date: 28 Aug 2002 12:57:21 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.24.102 X-Original-Trace: 28 Aug 2002 12:57:21 -0400, 141.219.24.102 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!mango.news.easynet.net!easynet.net!proxad.net!freenix!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33246 Ok, I got a mason jar with an 8-mesh screen in the lid, and went out to fill it with bees so I could do the powdered sugar test for varroa mites. All the instructions I've seen just say "fill the jar with 200-300 bees", which makes it sound very easy. So I open the hive, pull out a frame covered with bees . . . now how do I get them into the jar in any quantity? When I tried this, I hit steady-state right around 25-50 bees, the ones already captured would then start to fly out while I was trying to get more to go in. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good, efficient way to encourage large numbers of bees to go into a mason jar? Thanks. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 33247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Traveler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Testing of honey? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:38 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3D6C172A.51A9C0A8@foobatnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.ef.fb.16 X-Server-Date: 28 Aug 2002 17:14:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33247 Rick, You don't say where you are, but I would think that the pesticide problem would be evident on the condition of the hive. Since your hive did exceedingly well, there is no anecdotal evidence to suggest any kind of poisoning. Further, those of us who live in rural US should have more to fear because of the intense agricultural activity. You should contact a local professional beekeeper and have a sample of your extracted honey tested with a refractometer to determine the amount of moisture content. If the bees are happy, you should "bee" too! Bee happy, Kentucky Beekeeper "Richard Hyde" wrote in message news:3D6C172A.51A9C0A8@foobatnet.com... > Hi, > > I've recently started back into the hobby and have a single hive with > two full shallow supers - not bad for a swarm started late in the season > with a double hive body on nothing but foundation :) > > I've never bothered with any sort of testing in the past, but I'm > wondering if that might now be advisable, given the use of pesticides in > my urban environment. > > What do you think? Any thoughts on what kind of tests are availible, > cost, or if it is necessary at all? > > Thanks! > > Rick > > remove "foo"s to reply directly. Article 33248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pavel314" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-GC-Trace: gv1-JOv/eN12/IEKd8Upstfznpee5WX5ZFlilOW4aM= Message-ID: <7r9b9.271840$2p2.10869593@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:23:47 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 22 X-Trace: sv3-2PBNU5/bhJC+Vuo8DjEVh7sWxemXPXNcnvacQbrTJNXRhnK9dnlLzfTdy01k3nI1bdNBuPn4UTHmn68!80qVhRO/8dMLksR7e1Nw7g5zcvQyQZrHzRclCL6KpUdREGGZ/VyVCloHItPTOaiqPSFTXyfIzTrL!aRhgTZnwv8DuiR9p0zP/96PRzOODA8+J X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:23:47 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33248 Timothy Eisele wrote in message news:3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu... > Does anyone have any recommendations for a good, efficient way to > encourage large numbers of bees to go into a mason jar? Thanks. We used to make fly traps out of jars by making a trap door with screen. Roll a piece of screen into a cone with a hole at the point large enough to admit a bee. Put the point of the cone into the jar and tape the wide end of the cone to the top of the jar. The problem is how to get the bees inside. With flies, we would suspend the jar upside down over a bit of rotten fruit. The flies will fly up by instinct so it didn't take long to get a jar full of them. You could try fruit with bees, or sugar or honey. Maybe just putting the open end of the jar-trap near the entrance to the hive would get enough as they come to explore this thing lurking outside of their hive. pli Article 33249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6D301E.46592761@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> <7r9b9.271840$2p2.10869593@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:18:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1030566305 209.239.173.174 (Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:25:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:25:05 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33249 > Maybe just putting the open end of the > jar-trap near the entrance to the hive would get enough as they come to > explore this thing lurking outside of their hive. Or perhaps upside down over the hole in the inner cover? Cheers, Rick Article 33250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:58:03 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1139.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1030568271 22566 217.135.68.115 (28 Aug 2002 20:57:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2002 20:57:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33250 Important thing is not to get your queen in the jar! So find her first, then shake bees from other combs into your upturned roof - you can then give it a bump or two on the ground to get the bees into one corner, then pour these into your jar. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Timothy Eisele" wrote in message news:3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu... > Ok, I got a mason jar with an 8-mesh screen in the lid, and went out > to fill it with bees so I could do the powdered sugar test for > varroa mites. All the instructions I've seen just say "fill the > jar with 200-300 bees", which makes it sound very easy. So I > open the hive, pull out a frame covered with bees . . . now how do > I get them into the jar in any quantity? When I tried this, I > hit steady-state right around 25-50 bees, the ones already captured > would then start to fly out while I was trying to get more to go in. > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a good, efficient way to > encourage large numbers of bees to go into a mason jar? Thanks. > > -- > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu > Article 33251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee questionzzz Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:28:43 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 35 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: References: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> <4169b71c.0208261454.639763be@posting.google.com> <3d6ca21b_2@news.tm.net.my> Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1847.elephant.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1030571967 9680 217.134.247.55 (28 Aug 2002 21:59:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2002 21:59:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33251 On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, zainurin wrote: >For your knowledge I am from Malaysia. Beekeeping is something unusual >here. I only can find the reference only in the internet. You can >consider there is no beekeper in my country. Honey are collected >traditionally from the bee hives up of the trees. And further of that >there are no beekeeper club here. For the beginning I want to know >about the bee hive only. How to construct, what the function of each >layer of the hive, the measurement etc. In your situation, I recommend you should look into starting with Top Bar Hives [TBH]. Have a look at some of these sites; http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/kenya.htm http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm http://www.ccdemo.info/GardenBees/KTBH.html http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm http://beetalk.tripod.com/tbh.htm http://www.apis.demon.co.uk/beekeeping/newsletters/December-97.html#TBH http://sunsite.sut.ac.jp/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/g eneral/management/top_bar_faqs/tbhfaq2.txt -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 33252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:39:20 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 43 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: References: <3d6b601f_1@news.tm.net.my> Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1847.elephant.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1030571969 9680 217.134.247.55 (28 Aug 2002 21:59:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2002 21:59:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33252 On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, zainurin wrote: >Hi, I'm from Malaysia. Beekeeping is is something new to me and I feel it >very interesting. The major problem I faced if I want to start this hobby >are > >1. Hive - since there are no beekeper in my country there are no chance for >me to get the second hand bee hive. To order from outside it is to expensive >after included freight cost. I cannot find the clear layout how to construct >a bee hive. In your situation, I recommend you should look into starting with Top Bar Hives [TBH]. Have a look at some of these sites; http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/kenya.htm http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm http://www.ccdemo.info/GardenBees/KTBH.html http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm http://beetalk.tripod.com/tbh.htm http://www.apis.demon.co.uk/beekeeping/newsletters/December-97.html#TBH http://sunsite.sut.ac.jp/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/g eneral/management/top_bar_faqs/tbhfaq2.txt >2.Bee - further to the no beekeper here it is impossible to get the bees and >its queen. I found some website that offer some bee and the queens but is it >possible to ship it here. Perhaps you should get a wild colony. You did mention in another thread that, 'Honey are collected traditionally from the bee hives up of the trees'. -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 33253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Denver CO area? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:18:02 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: <5glqmusjgddcfg1vgt47h68i5oo4gurbkt@4ax.com> Reply-To: replyto References: <47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 50 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33253 Advice to FD: (I'll try to e-mail you but will post here for surety) I'm a sideline commercial beekeeper south of Denver and will try to help with a few points: Because of the diverse forage inside the city, beekeepers in Denver can get buy with most any race of bees including italians. If you place your hives outside the "improved landscape" I would suggest using Carniolans or Caucasions. They over-winter with smaller clusters and queens shut down queen rearing MUCH faster than Italians - and with our late and usually dry seasons you'll get a smaller hive and smaller crop (unstimulated) but your hives won't be prone to starving in Feb-April when nothing is in bloom. For those of you that live here, the last 3 years of drought have left beekeepers with starving bees and high kill-off each spring. Our best (Colorado) honeycrop is Knapweed - which is the greatest honey in 5 states. Not too sweet, has a slight green color to it, a zesty finish and takes nearly a year to crystalize. The extension agency now says South-Denver is the #1 capital for knapweed across the U.S. I wonder though if other state extensions say the same thing to their residents... In the city limits you're likely to get anything - from noxious yellow-spurge to highly sweet and thin wildflower. Some crystalize quickly so I would suggest extracting in mid august. Personally I can't stand anything after tasting Knapweed. That might help get you started. If you'd like to meet other beekeepers contact the "Beekeeper Company" listed in the yellow pages and resides south of Chatfield dam. I'm not affiliated but do know he can easily put you together with other hobbyists. Have fun - and look me up (I'm listed) if you need personal help over the phone. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO On 20 Jul 2002 12:02:59 -0700, fd@lll.com (FD) wrote: >Hello: >I live in the SW Denver area and am looking for fellow local >beekeepers to obtain pointers specific to the area, with its difficult >conditions. >Specifically, hive choices, bee races/hybrid, cold winter issues, very >hot summer issues, short season/low flower count issues... >Thanks >FD >"Logic has made me hated among men" - Pierre Abelard du Palet Article 33254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:04:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3d6d64cc.346052170@news1.radix.net> References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip173.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33254 It dosen't mater with the powdered sugar test as the bees aren't killed. beekeep On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:58:03 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Important thing is not to get your queen in the jar! So find her first, >then shake bees from other combs into your upturned roof - you can then give >it a bump or two on the ground to get the bees into one corner, then pour >these into your jar. >-- >Peter Edwards >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > >"Timothy Eisele" wrote in message >news:3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu... >> Ok, I got a mason jar with an 8-mesh screen in the lid, and went out >> to fill it with bees so I could do the powdered sugar test for >> varroa mites. All the instructions I've seen just say "fill the >> jar with 200-300 bees", which makes it sound very easy. So I >> open the hive, pull out a frame covered with bees . . . now how do >> I get them into the jar in any quantity? When I tried this, I >> hit steady-state right around 25-50 bees, the ones already captured >> would then start to fly out while I was trying to get more to go in. >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a good, efficient way to >> encourage large numbers of bees to go into a mason jar? Thanks. >> >> -- >> Tim Eisele >> tceisele@mtu.edu >> > > Article 33255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP - changing city ordinance to allow beekeeping Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:34:46 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: Reply-To: replyto X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 75 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33255 Does anyone have information on the number of surviving feral hives -or- other information that could be used to help push our town council into allowing beekeeping? I'm after: -figures on the number of surviving (varroa) feral hives (% dead or estimated # alive or dead) -figures on the number of backyard beekeepers -figures of the number of negligent 'managed' bee incidence? -law concerning city ordinance and safe-harbour for bees/beekeeping: (my bee law book explains that cities cannot pass a law eliminating beekeeping unless by negligent placement, management or temperment - i.e. must provide a safe harbour where beekeeping is allowed - in other words, they cannot say all bees in all places are a constructive nuisance . But this law book is old.) Anyone? -or anything else that could be used in establishing bees/beekeeping as a necessary part to a healthy landscape and ecosystem - now more than ever with the destruction of wild colonies by varroa (1993-95). For those that want a little more background on this issue: We're a relatively rural city (Castle Rock, CO) and one of 24 (26?) cities surrounding Denver - and only one of two that don't allow beekeeping. Castle Rock banned on bees in 1986 but have never had any issues with bees that we could find - but this year coincides with the year they developed a huge factory-outlet mall area which was (& is) still surrounded by land with 'agricultural" use from bees/beekeeping. Bees were outlawed but no-one moved any beehives following the ordinance. Roughly 70-80 hives have been located the Downtown area for 70+ years -- so since the issue seems to be politcal and financial rather than public safety - I'm in their face. Especially now that there aren't any feral hives alive and the town is freely spending tax money to improve landscape - such as $80,000 to re-plum the creek that runs through town to provide forage for birds and other small animals. Funny? So the town is about to vote on the issue and I need to come up with reasons and statistics on WHY we need bees in Castle Rock. My approach is from gardening/pollination. If they turn down the change in ordinance the remaining beekeepers in Castle Rock will remove 100% of all the bees - which I believe will bring -most- productive gardening to a srcreeching halt. (cucumbers, squash, apples, plums, cherries, peaches, list goes on & on what is grown in the back yards here). I only have one hive in the city limits and it provides all the pollination for ~30 fruit trees between my property & the neighbors. Prior to placing this hive the produce from fruit trees could be measured in a few handfuls. In 94-95 I placed the hive in back with the consent of my adjoining neighbors and resulted in literally bushels of plums and apples. The opinion of the town council is hard to discern so far but at least one councilmember has used words such as "pitbull" & "rattlesnake" as synonyms to describe the activity. Another was astonished to find a beekeeper(me) had a beehive 7 doors from him for the last 6 years - and quickly said that "no beekeeping should be in ANY residential neighborhood". So I have to overcome ignorance and show the issues. Can anyone help me with info or evidence to lead the town council? Thanks in advance of any suggestion or information! Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO qualityram@removethis@yahoo.ie (remove the @removethis to establish my email address) Article 33256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:55:22 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 21 X-Trace: sv3-s2SV/pM7FoQFCtawnebNaRS8XeeBR9rW+HwZBBal/atuAHuax4/GI6mg9uAcVgAF8gOj3bYo7oDZSf9!w8VG2JYA+D0UOq3lDjlc0+syOerEmPY0XEjuBviZqebEzzbGzaxH+BAFLxHXactuqmfcMKSMhW2n!5yyU9uzXl507fDwbC3UH X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:55:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33256 Use a gallon jar. Make a large funnel with a two or three inch opening that goes into the jar. Shake the bees into the funnel until you get more than you need. Then just pour them into the smaller jar and pour the remainder back into the hive. Good point about the queen. You can put an extra queen excluder between the brood boxes. Come back in 10 days. The box with larva has the queen - use the other one for shaking. West Texas Mark > Important thing is not to get your queen in the jar! So find her first, > then shake bees from other combs into your upturned roof - you can then give > it a bump or two on the ground to get the bees into one corner, then pour > these into your jar. > -- > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 33257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jared Dyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? Reply-To: jdyer@earthlink.net Message-ID: References: <3D6C1BE4.4CB60124@foobatnet.com> <7n9omu0ibjr6m42q0j1bni7joa07s56vh8@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.570 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:02:13 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 41 X-Trace: sv3-0tLAaqRWPIkHoFvLs/soQiWVIdlzUqncopjuhIelRp1DhNls4dhotKeaWSVYHhFWSyKotN64nGeYIMD!QMzDOOqoHceb9Oh4tcc1zsiwjkhYplsHtPMojKXdiU956sGGbPSb1BWqOy+vTRywdw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:02:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33257 On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:41:01 -0400, "KOland" wrote: > >"Jared Dyer" wrote in message >news:7n9omu0ibjr6m42q0j1bni7joa07s56vh8@4ax.com... > >> They return to the same spot, the same day, but I don't know for sure. >> They also seem quite agitated when they return and in one case the >> returning swarm killed 3 rare birds in a nearby aviary. Thinking they >> were Africanized we had this swarm analyzed by the agriculture dept. >> and it turned out to be 98% European according to the genetic test. > >More than likely, the "returning swarm" is foragers that were out during the >day. Now, you have a large number of queenless bees -- that would also >explain the agitation. Hives should be moved at night, with the entrance >screened, to prevent leaving large numbers behind. I only handle bee's before dawn when they are all together resting in the nest or swarm trap, so I don't think this is an issue. > >If the bees are unsalvageable by a beekeeper (call a local beekeeping club >or a beekeeper, not your local govt), then they should be killed -- you are >just endangering others by releasing them into another area. Not to mention >your zoo stock by doing it incorrectly. I've been releasing them in uninhabited canyon areas far from people and homes. Since the incident where the returning swarm killed the 3 rare birds I've been forced to euthanize them in a C02 gas chamber. I feel terrible doing this and was hoping to find a more productive way of dealing with them. I was thinking of driving them further out in to the uninhabited back country, say 25-50 miles away but need to determine the best distance to know for sure they wont return. Thanks, Jared Article 33258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jared Dyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? Reply-To: jdyer@earthlink.net Message-ID: <5m3rmu8djscj3bjjl2h1ok1dgpn9f2eh3a@4ax.com> References: <3D6C34EC.D181737@foobatnet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.570 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GC-Trace: gv1-rIh2Rj0dg+jYJETZNuLJx1k1oTxaRribSU= NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:08:43 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 23 X-Trace: sv3-2NLq+z9RFkBVSKoIVvUtpIWjqNTkqgEM8QwuxoTezRbQHIPglvx3Zvj8Yzx8PJpPmN3jm2IYWaBWi7Z!iQJsxEPOLVzdr4x1uvAKSIDuGV4wyYxpXDMuHJkAEQM+kjrAf8q2+7tU+s/BtU3O7m5CwbN33IqX!GdsjIa7VoAB4GTbxyA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:08:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.11!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33258 Thanks for the info and yes I am in the U.S. close to a freeway. I can't give out my exact location due to media concerns. Jared On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:26:52 -0700, Richard Hyde wrote: >Jared, > >> How far do I need to >> drive them to ensure they won't return back to the zoo? > >Just found this: http://www.beesource.com/pov/wenner/fig6amzool91.htm > >However, if they think they are flying "home", who knows? > >Cheers, > >Rick Article 33259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> <4169b71c.0208261454.639763be@posting.google.com> <3d6ca21b_2@news.tm.net.my> Subject: Re: Newbee questionzzz Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:19:30 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3d6da0cd$0$225$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.4 X-Trace: 1030594765 dread03.news.tele.dk 225 195.249.242.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33259 http://www.idrc.ca/library/document/030819/ Try this one, You will also here find a plan for a hive including frames. "zainurin" skrev i en meddelelse news:3d6ca21b_2@news.tm.net.my... > > albert cannon wrote in message > news:4169b71c.0208261454.639763be@posting.google.com... > > "Cappucino" wrote in message > news:<3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my>... > > > Hai, I'm a newbie here and very interested with beekeeping. But I have > no > > > idea how to start. Can anyone suggest websites that provide useful > > > information on how to start it from A to Z. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > type in beekeeping in the search box and you will find lots of sites. > > But the best way to learn is to join your local club and get some > > first hand info from the members.Also get a decent beginners manual. > > Albert cannon > > Take care and stay lucky > > Correct there are tons of websites, but most of them are too general . For > your knowledge I am from Malaysia. Beekeeping is something unusual here. I > only can find the reference only in the internet. You can consider there is > no beekeper in my country. Honey are collected traditionally from the bee > hives up of the trees. And further of that there are no beekeeper club > here. > > For the beginning I want to know about the bee hive only. How to construct, > what the function of each layer of the hive, the measurement etc. Then only > I will go further to the requeening etc. > > Maybe I should look for some books which I can order on line. Any > suggestion ? > > Article 33260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:39:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.50 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1030599576 12.86.120.50 (Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:39:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:39:36 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33260 Wouldn't taking a nicely populated frame with lots of bees working it, rapping it on the top of the jar get quite a few to fall in? "Timothy Eisele" wrote in message news:3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu... > Ok, I got a mason jar with an 8-mesh screen in the lid, and went out > to fill it with bees so I could do the powdered sugar test for > varroa mites. All the instructions I've seen just say "fill the > jar with 200-300 bees", which makes it sound very easy. So I > open the hive, pull out a frame covered with bees . . . now how do > I get them into the jar in any quantity? When I tried this, I > hit steady-state right around 25-50 bees, the ones already captured > would then start to fly out while I was trying to get more to go in. > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a good, efficient way to > encourage large numbers of bees to go into a mason jar? Thanks. > > -- > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu > Article 33261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6D5378.72E19E18@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: County Fair Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:00:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1030600853 67.251.117.130 (Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:00:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:00:53 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33261 Well, my bees did it again!! They got a blue ribbon for the second year in a row at the Caldwell County Fair in Lenoir, North Carolina. I must do something extra nice for them. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BooBee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 04:09:30 -0400 Organization: Storm Internet Services Lines: 18 Sender: allthings@dp-209-87-248-14.storm.ca Message-ID: References: <3d6b601f_1@news.tm.net.my> NNTP-Posting-Host: dp-209-87-248-14.storm.ca X-Trace: news.storm.ca 1030608594 8569 209.87.248.14 (29 Aug 2002 08:09:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@storm.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2002 08:09:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!opentransit.net!east2.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!west2.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!news.storm.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33262 Hi Zainurin, Take a look at: http://www.idrc.ca/nayudamma/beekeeping_4e.html or at http://www.altavista.com/web?q=Malaysia+beekeeping+&LangParam&EncParam Best of luck in your new under-taking! Hope this helps, Craig_m Ottawa, On, Canada Article 33263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.food.drinks,relcom.commerce.food.sweet,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.products,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: ðÒÅÄÌÁÇÁÀ ÚÁÐÁÓÎÙÅ ÞÁÓÔÉ × ÏÂÍÅÎ ÎÁ Ó/È ÐÒÏÄÕËÃÉÀ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:05:49 +0400 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-231.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1030620137 82560 195.64.233.231 (29 Aug 2002 11:22:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2002 11:22:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.food:361618 relcom.commerce.food.drinks:100515 relcom.commerce.food.sweet:83572 relcom.commerce.machinery:342252 relcom.commerce.metals:404250 sci.agriculture:69922 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33263 sci.agriculture.fruit:4301 sci.agriculture.poultry:38887 ðÒÅÄÌÁÇÅÍ ÚÁÐÁÓÎÙÅ ÞÁÓÔÉ Ë ÔÒÁËÔÏÒÁÍ É ËÏÍÂÁÉÎÁÍ ÂÁÒÔÅÒ ÎÁ Ó/È ÐÒÏÄÕËÃÉÀ avantag@visti.com Article 33264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jovan Jonovski - SNI" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> <3D6B159C.3E8C24@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Newbee questionzzz Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:35:20 +0200 Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.26.134.197 Message-ID: <3d6e16fc@news.mt.net.mk> X-Trace: 29 Aug 2002 14:43:40 +0100, 195.26.134.197 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.mt.net.mk!195.26.134.197 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33264 can you send them to jjovan@mol.com.mk as well? Article 33265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6E2260.9010803@dada.it> From: Annalisa Matteoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [promo] portale specializzato in prodotti tipici toscani Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:26:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.27.5.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@libero.it X-Trace: twister1.libero.it 1030627610 151.27.5.34 (Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:26:50 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:26:50 MET DST Organization: [Infostrada] Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp.infostrada.it!twister1.libero.it.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33265 Il Cortile è un punto vendita di prodotti tipici toscani e biologici direttamente dalle aziende agricole, sulla superstrada Firenze-Siena. Sulla strada che unisce Firenze e Siena attraverso il Chianti si trova IL CORTILE un accogliente locale per assaggiare ed acquistare prodotti tipici toscani . Oltre 200 specialità accuratamente selezionate (olio, vini, salumi, formaggi, conserve, in buona parte biologici); ampia area di sosta con parcheggio. Degustazioni anche per gruppi con diversi tipi di vini, olio, formaggi e salumi. Al Cortile si parla inglese, tedesco e francese. http://ilcortile.toscana.it/ Article 33266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tennessee Beekeepers Association Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Tennessee Beekeepers Association Annual Meeting Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:01:19 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:13:12 -0500 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!fs01-sjc1.usenetserver.com!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33266 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:869 Tennessee Beekeepers Association Annual Meeting Please plan to attend the Tennessee Beekeeper's Association's (TBA) annual convention to be held at the Clyde Austin 4-H Center in Greenville, Tennessee (www.clydeaustin4hcenter.com) on November 8-9, 2002. Returning for the 2002 TBA Convention is Dr. James Tew who is Associate Professor of Entomology at Ohio State University and apiculture advisor with the Alabama Cooperative Extension System. Other speakers will include Rick Fell, Virginia Tech, Jeff Harris, USDA-ARS Bee Lab, Baton Rouge, LA, John Skinner, University of Tennessee, along with workshops and a Friday night awards banquet. The program will include "Pollination in Tennessee" which is a new marketing and education program for TBA members, "Mite Resistance Studies", "Hive Beetle In Tennessee", "Observation Hives", a honey show, baking competition and a smoker contest. Preferred lodging is provided by Hampton Inn, Greeneville, TN located at 3130 East Andrew Johnson Highway. Contact them at 423-638-3735 for reservations. Obtain a convention registration form at www.tnbeekeepers.org. Register before October 1, 2002 to qualify for special door prizes. Will we see you there? Don't miss the fun! Article 33267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: conditions in california Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:30:45 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1030631474.663105@savina> References: <1030553153.902724@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33267 for more on this topic see "Honey harvest drying up" at: http://www.recordnet.com/daily/business/articles/082902-b-1.shtml "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:1030553153.902724@savina... > see "California bees thirst for nectar in unusually dry weather" at: > http://www.fresnobee.com/state_wire/story/4153775p-5176245c.html Article 33268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: U.S. intercepts tainted honey from China Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:42:20 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1030632169.501715@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33268 From Jeanne Meserve CNN Washington Bureau WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. officials said Wednesday they are checking all bulk shipments of honey from China after the discovery that some contained a potentially harmful antibiotic. There is no indication any of the honey has reached stores, the Food and Drug Administration said.... see: http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/28/contaminated.honey/index.html Article 33269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6E559B.CD4D90E7@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:10:51 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: County Fair References: <3D6D5378.72E19E18@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.94 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1030632904 66.20.227.94 (29 Aug 2002 09:55:04 -0500) Lines: 17 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33269 Louise Adderholdt wrote: > Well, my bees did it again!! They got a blue ribbon for the second year > in a row at the Caldwell County Fair in Lenoir, North Carolina. I must > do something extra nice for them. > I know how ya feel. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: U.S. intercepts tainted honey from China Date: 29 Aug 2002 12:18:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0208291118.1152ddd1@posting.google.com> References: <1030632169.501715@savina> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1030648684 21193 127.0.0.1 (29 Aug 2002 19:18:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2002 19:18:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33270 "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:<1030632169.501715@savina>... > From Jeanne Meserve > CNN Washington Bureau > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. officials said Wednesday they are checking all > bulk shipments of honey from China after the discovery that some > contained a potentially harmful antibiotic. > There is no indication any of the honey has reached stores, the Food and > Drug > Administration said.... > see: > http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/28/contaminated.honey/index.html Best to buy your honey within walking distance. Chloramphenicol is what happens when cheap is the main consideration. Finally some decent rains in the Northeast USA perhaps the knotweed and goldenrod will benefit. Article 33271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: U.S. intercepts tainted honey from China Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:30:43 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <1030632169.501715@savina> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-497.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1030653323 32194 62.25.165.241 (29 Aug 2002 20:35:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2002 20:35:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33271 I find it difficult to believe that the US has only just found out about the Chinese honey situation - the rest of the world knew about it months ago. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:1030632169.501715@savina... > From Jeanne Meserve > CNN Washington Bureau > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. officials said Wednesday they are checking all > bulk shipments of honey from China after the discovery that some > contained a potentially harmful antibiotic. > There is no indication any of the honey has reached stores, the Food and > Drug > Administration said.... > see: > http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/28/contaminated.honey/index.html > > Article 33272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:32:25 +0100 Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> <3d6d64cc.346052170@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-497.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1030653324 32194 62.25.165.241 (29 Aug 2002 20:35:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2002 20:35:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33272 Maybe so, but I would rather not do that to the queen. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d6d64cc.346052170@news1.radix.net... > It dosen't mater with the powdered sugar test as the bees aren't > killed. > > beekeep > > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:58:03 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >Important thing is not to get your queen in the jar! So find her first, > >then shake bees from other combs into your upturned roof - you can then give > >it a bump or two on the ground to get the bees into one corner, then pour > >these into your jar. > >-- > >Peter Edwards > >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > > > > >"Timothy Eisele" wrote in message > >news:3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu... > >> Ok, I got a mason jar with an 8-mesh screen in the lid, and went out > >> to fill it with bees so I could do the powdered sugar test for > >> varroa mites. All the instructions I've seen just say "fill the > >> jar with 200-300 bees", which makes it sound very easy. So I > >> open the hive, pull out a frame covered with bees . . . now how do > >> I get them into the jar in any quantity? When I tried this, I > >> hit steady-state right around 25-50 bees, the ones already captured > >> would then start to fly out while I was trying to get more to go in. > >> > >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a good, efficient way to > >> encourage large numbers of bees to go into a mason jar? Thanks. > >> > >> -- > >> Tim Eisele > >> tceisele@mtu.edu > >> > > > > > Article 33273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:04:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3d6e8c50.421701462@news1.radix.net> References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> <3d6d64cc.346052170@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip179.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33273 On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:32:25 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Maybe so, but I would rather not do that to the queen. >-- >Peter Edwards I've done worse. beekeep Article 33274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:15:24 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> <3d6d64cc.346052170@news1.radix.net> <3d6e8c50.421701462@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-59.charizard.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1030655734 1590 217.135.69.59 (29 Aug 2002 21:15:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2002 21:15:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33274 Hmm, so have I - but that is not a valid reason for coating them in powdered sugar! -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d6e8c50.421701462@news1.radix.net... > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:32:25 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >Maybe so, but I would rather not do that to the queen. > >-- > >Peter Edwards > I've done worse. > > beekeep > Article 33275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:34:18 -0600 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3D6C1BE4.4CB60124@foobatnet.com> <7n9omu0ibjr6m42q0j1bni7joa07s56vh8@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-147.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.126) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1030664069 53983176 209.115.174.126 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-147.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33275 > I was thinking of driving them further out in to the uninhabited back > country, say 25-50 miles away but need to determine the best distance > to know for sure they wont return. Try putting them in a box them in an entirely dark room -- not even a crack of light for them to crawl to -- for several days (three minimum). They should have lost most of their programming after that time, and you should be able to put them anywhere you like afterwards. Ideally, give them on some comb with feed so they don't starve or get mean while they are meditating in the dark. YMMV. allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 33276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:41:21 -0600 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> <3d6d64cc.346052170@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-147.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.126) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1030664490 54117993 209.115.174.126 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-147.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33276 > It dosen't mater with the powdered sugar test as the bees aren't killed. He's right. It really does not matter. If you eyeball a brood frame for the queen, then just shake it lightly onto a newspaper, bend it a bit to make a vee, and shoot what you need into the jar, your chances of getting the queen are low and there is no harm done if you do accidentally test her too. The shake only takes moments. You *will* dump the bees back into the hive afterwards, I assume? allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 33277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "TRIKER" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: pesticide effect on bee activity Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:24:01 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.238.131.209 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1030671146 64.238.131.209 (Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:32:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:32:26 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33277 Bees are very suceptiable to most and pesticide and herbicdes. The most dangerous time for the bees is during application of the chemicals, although resiual chemical on plant the bee are foraging on is also very harmful, most bee loss will occur during the apllication. If you can talk with the farmers and they will tell you when they are going to apply pesticides you can keep the bees in their hive by setting a water splinker up in from to make them thing it's raining. If The feilds are in sunflower your bees should be producing some fine honey and the farmers might be interested in working with you for the polination benifits. Good Luck. Marty "Shashi Kumar" wrote in message news:bc070574.0208240452.7d208db0@posting.google.com... Hi, Am a amateur bee keeper(Bangalore, India). I have 5 hives in the backyard. Often i notice bees tend to less active (some dead bees in and around the bee hives). What i ASSUME is, this is might be due to pesticide spraying by farmers in their fields(mostly sunflower, with is 5 to 8 KM range). It would be of great help if, any one can throw some light on the effect of pesticides on bee activity. thanks, Shashi Article 33278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: pastan@mail.ru (Andrew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.technology,sci.chem,sci.med,sci.med.diseases.lyme Subject: Offer: Bee Venom Company Date: 29 Aug 2002 22:10:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8c298259.0208292110.65910ee0@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.93.175.164 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1030684251 23171 127.0.0.1 (30 Aug 2002 05:10:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2002 05:10:51 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33278 sci.bio.technology:17013 sci.chem:216407 sci.med:313403 sci.med.diseases.lyme:116606 The company Healthy Foods (Company DUNS #: 11-610-5102) is ready to propose you the high-quality Ukrainian bee venom (the content of the melittin is 53%) supply. We also look for agents and other partners. The final price depens on the required quantity and supply regularity. The payment: according to internationally accepted rules. The transporting is possible according to the Incoterms-2000: EXP, CPT, CIP, CIF. The following documents could be provided: · the laboratory certificate · the certificate of correspondence · the quality certificate · the certificate of origin · the radiology certificate · the veterinary certificate The quality according to the standard FS 42-2683-89: The name of indicator In FS Our results Appearance The grey with yellow hue powder The grey with yellow hue powder Solution with water Yes Yes Humidity Less 12% 5,2% Unsoluble water admixture Less 10% 3,5% Total ash Less 2% 1,5% Hemolysis time Less 480 s 230 s Phospholypase activity No less 100 ME 120 ME GAN complex activity No less 70 mME 81,3 mME Chromatography HPLC: · The melittin content 53% · The phospholipase content 9,8% · The gialuronidase content 2,8% · The apamin content 1,9% CONCLUSION: examine part of bee venom corresponds of FS 42-2683-89 The package: according to the requirements of the country of origin (Ukraine, the standard GOST 3885). Best Regards, Alex Himchenko, Tel./Fax: +380 (44) 295-90-03 E-mail: med@bi.net.ua Article 33279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry METZ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: pesticide effect on bee activity Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:07:16 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.9.149 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1030686872 203.54.9.149 (Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:54:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:54:32 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33279 Perhaps most of us are not aware of the decimation of commercial hives in Europe several years ago. Last I heard the cause was a systemic seed dressing used on what was previously a commercially pollinated plant. "TRIKER" wrote in message news:KWzb9.621$7i3.13145@eagle.america.net... > Bees are very suceptiable to most and pesticide and herbicdes. The most > dangerous time for the bees is during application of the chemicals, although > resiual chemical on plant the bee are foraging on is also very harmful, most > bee loss will occur during the apllication. If you can talk with the > farmers and they will tell you when they are going to apply pesticides you > can keep the bees in their hive by setting a water splinker up in from to > make them thing it's raining. If The feilds are in sunflower your bees > should be producing some fine honey and the farmers might be interested in > working with you for the polination benifits. Good Luck. > Marty > "Shashi Kumar" wrote in message > news:bc070574.0208240452.7d208db0@posting.google.com... > Hi, > > Am a amateur bee keeper(Bangalore, India). I have 5 hives in the > backyard. Often i notice bees tend to less active (some dead bees in > and around the bee hives). What i ASSUME is, this is might be due to > pesticide spraying by farmers in their fields(mostly sunflower, with > is 5 to 8 KM range). It would be of great help if, any one can throw > some light on the effect of pesticides on bee activity. > > thanks, > Shashi > > Article 33280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: ëÕÐÉÍ Ú/Þ Ë íôú,àíú,ô-150,ë-700,ô-40 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:22:06 +0400 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-159.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1030696118 21885 195.64.233.159 (30 Aug 2002 08:28:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2002 08:28:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:69924 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33280 sci.agriculture.fruit:4303 sci.agriculture.poultry:38917 sci.agriculture.ratites:1830 ïÒÇÁÎÉÚÁÃÉÑ ÐÒÉÏÂÒÅÔÅÔ ÚÁÐÁÓÎÙÅ ÞÁÓÔÉ Ë ÔÒÁËÔÏÒÁÍ(íôú,àíú,ë-700) É ËÏÍÂÁÉÎÁÍ. avantag@visti.com Article 33281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D6F7908.8DF266ED@hate.spam.net> From: Uncle Al Organization: The Noble Krell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.technology,sci.misc,sci.med,sci.med.diseases.lyme Subject: Re: Offer: Bee Venom Company References: <8c298259.0208292110.65910ee0@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:54:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.5.243.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news2.west.cox.net 1030715677 68.5.243.16 (Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:54:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:54:37 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!central.cox.net!cox.net!p01!news2.west.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33281 sci.bio.technology:17015 sci.misc:47928 sci.med:313418 sci.med.diseases.lyme:116613 Andrew wrote: > > The company Healthy Foods (Company DUNS #: 11-610-5102) is ready to > propose you the high-quality Ukrainian bee venom (the content of the > melittin is 53%) supply. We also look for agents and other partners. [snip] When I was a child, Mom and I went to the Bronx Zoo. In a terrible accident unknown to us, a cobra had escaped. As we were walking along it reared up and struck Mother on her genitalia, achieving full penetration with its fangs and completely injecting both its venom sacks' contents. After two weeks of writhing agony, the snake died. As for Mom, her yeast infection barely noticed. http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm (Do something naughty to physics) -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net! Article 33282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: China attacks Europe over honey ban Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:52:14 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1030719165.400761@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!west.cox.net!cox.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33282 Friday, 12 July, 2002, 16:48 GMT 17:48 UK "China says the honey ban makes the poor poorer" By Nicola Carslaw BBC consumer affairs correspondent in China see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2125192.stm Article 33283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Rearing Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:44:30 -0500 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 15 Sender: hawkaccess@dsc05.chf-il-2-34.rasserver.net Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dsc05.chf-il-2-34.rasserver.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1030722332 29751 205.186.213.34 (30 Aug 2002 15:45:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:45:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33283 Hi All, I was hoping some of you who have been beekeepers could give me your opinion. I've seen queen rearing kits, like Jenter, Ezi-Queen, No-Graft, JZ-BZ. Have any of you tried one or more of these devices? If so, what did you like and what wasn't so good? I appreciate any input you could pass along. Thanks. mb. -- Michael Belluso 3889 S. Rte. 115 Kankakee, IL 60901-7184 mbelluso@hotmail.com Article 33284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "TRIKER" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: HELP - changing city ordinance to allow beekeeping Lines: 80 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:18:08 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.238.131.167 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1030727893 64.238.131.167 (Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:18:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:18:13 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33284 try http://www.main.org/cahbs/ for some info. many good links "Matthew W." wrote in message news:khmqmuo86smpolikevm91i31obbuhg2p7b@4ax.com... Does anyone have information on the number of surviving feral hives -or- other information that could be used to help push our town council into allowing beekeeping? I'm after: -figures on the number of surviving (varroa) feral hives (% dead or estimated # alive or dead) -figures on the number of backyard beekeepers -figures of the number of negligent 'managed' bee incidence? -law concerning city ordinance and safe-harbour for bees/beekeeping: (my bee law book explains that cities cannot pass a law eliminating beekeeping unless by negligent placement, management or temperment - i.e. must provide a safe harbour where beekeeping is allowed - in other words, they cannot say all bees in all places are a constructive nuisance . But this law book is old.) Anyone? -or anything else that could be used in establishing bees/beekeeping as a necessary part to a healthy landscape and ecosystem - now more than ever with the destruction of wild colonies by varroa (1993-95). For those that want a little more background on this issue: We're a relatively rural city (Castle Rock, CO) and one of 24 (26?) cities surrounding Denver - and only one of two that don't allow beekeeping. Castle Rock banned on bees in 1986 but have never had any issues with bees that we could find - but this year coincides with the year they developed a huge factory-outlet mall area which was (& is) still surrounded by land with 'agricultural" use from bees/beekeeping. Bees were outlawed but no-one moved any beehives following the ordinance. Roughly 70-80 hives have been located the Downtown area for 70+ years -- so since the issue seems to be politcal and financial rather than public safety - I'm in their face. Especially now that there aren't any feral hives alive and the town is freely spending tax money to improve landscape - such as $80,000 to re-plum the creek that runs through town to provide forage for birds and other small animals. Funny? So the town is about to vote on the issue and I need to come up with reasons and statistics on WHY we need bees in Castle Rock. My approach is from gardening/pollination. If they turn down the change in ordinance the remaining beekeepers in Castle Rock will remove 100% of all the bees - which I believe will bring -most- productive gardening to a srcreeching halt. (cucumbers, squash, apples, plums, cherries, peaches, list goes on & on what is grown in the back yards here). I only have one hive in the city limits and it provides all the pollination for ~30 fruit trees between my property & the neighbors. Prior to placing this hive the produce from fruit trees could be measured in a few handfuls. In 94-95 I placed the hive in back with the consent of my adjoining neighbors and resulted in literally bushels of plums and apples. The opinion of the town council is hard to discern so far but at least one councilmember has used words such as "pitbull" & "rattlesnake" as synonyms to describe the activity. Another was astonished to find a beekeeper(me) had a beehive 7 doors from him for the last 6 years - and quickly said that "no beekeeping should be in ANY residential neighborhood". So I have to overcome ignorance and show the issues. Can anyone help me with info or evidence to lead the town council? Thanks in advance of any suggestion or information! Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO qualityram@removethis@yahoo.ie (remove the @removethis to establish my email address) Article 33285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Justin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nectars that make bees immune to mites Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.232.74.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1030741852 12.232.74.10 (Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:10:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:10:52 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:10:52 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33285 What plants can I put near a hive to help the bees have healthy digestive tracts and healthy lungs free of mites? Is there any sort of plants whose nectar mites find irritating? Have any experiments been done with regards to this? Article 33286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D70129A.5104B88F@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Testing of honey? References: <3D6C172A.51A9C0A8@foobatnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:49:30 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1030755388 209.239.173.174 (Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:56:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:56:28 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33286 Traveler wrote: > You don't say where you are, but I would think that the pesticide problem > would be evident on the condition of the hive. Since your hive did > exceedingly well, there is no anecdotal evidence to suggest any kind of > poisoning. Further, those of us who live in rural US should have more to > fear because of the intense agricultural activity. I'm in the San Francisco Bay area. Your right, without evidence of any pesticide affect on the hive, my worries are probably unfounded. > You should contact a local professional beekeeper and have a sample of your > extracted honey tested with a refractometer to determine the amount of > moisture content. That's an interesting thought. Isn't all capped honey within the acceptible range? I thought the pros tested for moisture because it was a requirement of the buyers. I seem to remember an anecdote from "The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping" where one of the Aibis thought it was a good idea to top off the truck tank with pure water :) Cheers, Rick Article 33287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:59:38 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu54-212.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1030773633 174 195.163.212.54 (31 Aug 2002 06:00:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:00:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.stupi.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33287 Can any one please explain the "powdered sugar test", I haven't heard about this before Best Regards Magnus "Timothy Eisele" skrev i meddelandet news:3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu... > Ok, I got a mason jar with an 8-mesh screen in the lid, and went out > to fill it with bees so I could do the powdered sugar test for > varroa mites. All the instructions I've seen just say "fill the > jar with 200-300 bees", which makes it sound very easy. So I > open the hive, pull out a frame covered with bees . . . now how do > I get them into the jar in any quantity? When I tried this, I > hit steady-state right around 25-50 bees, the ones already captured > would then start to fly out while I was trying to get more to go in. > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a good, efficient way to > encourage large numbers of bees to go into a mason jar? Thanks. > > -- > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu > Article 33288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:24:45 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu54-212.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1030775138 2692 195.163.212.54 (31 Aug 2002 06:25:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:25:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33288 Hi There is two different behaviour that may be involved Normal conditions Let the swarm sit in a hive for a few days and move at night as one answer suggested. If conditions is normal (= nektar or other food source is available) the its enough to move the bees 2,5-3 miles and they wont fly back. Food shortage Most species of bees that has it's origin in areas which yearly are subjected to draughts do have a migratory behaviour. I.e. the whole hive moves and can do short stops and collect some food and the move one. With this behaviour they can move much more than 20 miles. What I read suggestes up to and maybee more than 100 miles. Many of the african bees has this migratory behaviour which would mean that if the canion has to much bees already (=food shortage) some of the bees will migrate. The bees originating in Europe the just to sitt and starve when there is food shortage. I would contact a larger local beekeeper and contract him to take care of your beeproblem. He would know if the bees are "keepable" or should be terminated. How did the bird die? Tried to eat the bees or did they get attacked? If they got attacked one way of keeping agressive bees from swarming in to your zoo area could be to over populate it with nice and friendly bees making the area less attractive for migrating swarms Hope you solve your problem Magnus "Jared Dyer" skrev i meddelandet news:s93omukh1v80vec5nk9hb4q9t28ahqmdmr@4ax.com... > I perform vector control at a local zoo and we currently have swarm > traps out. We've been getting overwhelmed by swarms due to a drought > in the area and started using swarm traps as a tool to help draw them > away from the public and animal enclosures. So far it's been very > successful. > > The problem I've been having, it appears the same bee's are > returning after I release them a few miles away. How far do I need to > drive them to ensure they won't return back to the zoo? > > > Thanks, > Jared Article 33289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee questionzzz Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:30:11 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <3d6a02cd_1@news.tm.net.my> <4169b71c.0208261454.639763be@posting.google.com> <3d6ca21b_2@news.tm.net.my> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu54-212.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1030775464 3356 195.163.212.54 (31 Aug 2002 06:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:31:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33289 I agree fully with "Gadget" The top bar hive is probably the most common hive in tropical countries There are some variations with top bar hives which has a "queen excluder", this could be smart to consider since by using that you know where the broodframes are and where theres only honey to harvest. Magnus "Gadget" skrev i meddelandet news:ygCoC1LLCUb9EwQd@spamblock.com... > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, zainurin wrote: > > >For your knowledge I am from Malaysia. Beekeeping is something unusual > >here. I only can find the reference only in the internet. You can > >consider there is no beekeper in my country. Honey are collected > >traditionally from the bee hives up of the trees. And further of that > >there are no beekeeper club here. For the beginning I want to know > >about the bee hive only. How to construct, what the function of each > >layer of the hive, the measurement etc. > > In your situation, I recommend you should look into starting with Top > Bar Hives [TBH]. > > Have a look at some of these sites; > > http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/kenya.htm > > http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm > > http://www.ccdemo.info/GardenBees/KTBH.html > > http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm > > http://beetalk.tripod.com/tbh.htm > > http://www.apis.demon.co.uk/beekeeping/newsletters/December-97.html#TBH > > http://sunsite.sut.ac.jp/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/g > eneral/management/top_bar_faqs/tbhfaq2.txt > > -- > Gadget > to email me direct use; > gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk > sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 33290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Testing of honey? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:36:28 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3D6C172A.51A9C0A8@foobatnet.com> <3D70129A.5104B88F@foobatnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu54-212.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1030775844 4028 195.163.212.54 (31 Aug 2002 06:37:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:37:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.stupi.se!news01.chello.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33290 Hi The moisture content is important for one specific, there is always a little natural yeast in honey If the moisture content is to low the yeast will be activated and your honey will smell like a bad home brewed beer ;-) Magnus "Richard Hyde" skrev i meddelandet news:3D70129A.5104B88F@foobatnet.com... > Traveler wrote: > > > You don't say where you are, but I would think that the pesticide problem > > would be evident on the condition of the hive. Since your hive did > > exceedingly well, there is no anecdotal evidence to suggest any kind of > > poisoning. Further, those of us who live in rural US should have more to > > fear because of the intense agricultural activity. > > I'm in the San Francisco Bay area. Your right, without evidence of any > pesticide affect on the hive, my worries are probably unfounded. > > > You should contact a local professional beekeeper and have a sample of your > > extracted honey tested with a refractometer to determine the amount of > > moisture content. > > That's an interesting thought. Isn't all capped honey within the > acceptible range? I thought the pros tested for moisture because it > was a requirement of the buyers. I seem to remember an anecdote from > "The Art and Adventure of Beekeeping" where one of the Aibis thought it > was a good idea to top off the truck tank with pure water :) > > Cheers, > > Rick Article 33291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees in a jar Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:18:44 -0600 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3d6d00f1@mtunews.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-116.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.95) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1030796295 55539636 209.115.174.95 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-116.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33291 > Can any one please explain the "powdered sugar test", I haven't heard about > this before http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0105D&L=bee-l&P=R1576 For more background: http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S2=bee-l&q=sugar+roll&s=&f=&a=&b= and http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S2=bee-l&q=sugar+shake&s=&f=&a=&b = allen Article 33292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP - changing city ordinance to allow beekeeping Date: 31 Aug 2002 07:00:06 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0208310600.74f49327@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.14.191 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1030802406 5871 127.0.0.1 (31 Aug 2002 14:00:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2002 14:00:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33292 Matthew, Contact the beekeepers in Long Island NY, they had the most sensible dealings with beekeeping ordinances that I have heard of. You as the backyard beekeeper need to help craft the ordinances in your town so that bees can be kept without them being kept as a nusiance. Don't let the ignorance of your town council be the driving force behing the laws. Article 33293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two questions about beekeeping.... Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:29:30 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-060.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33293 1. Does anyone "clean" your hives in the fall? I don't mean just the honey supers but the entire hive? If you do, are you scrapping, leveling the brood supers or are they left alone? Is it better to let the bees handle that section completely or do they need assistance? 2. Does anyone get "visitors" while you do yardwork? I am finding that while I work around my house I get visited by bees (from one to three at a time) who seem interested in whatever I'm doing at the time. They examine what I'm working on (currently rebuilding a small trailer to haul wood) and they seem to look over most of it and also come up and stare me in the face. They are never aggressive just amazingly nosey. Is that normal behavior for bees? The hives are about 400 feet from my house. Patrick Dugan Article 33294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Just Wondering Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:52:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1030816343 12.86.120.126 (Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:52:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:52:23 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.2.MISMATCH!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:877 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33294 Hello, I just got me 5 frames of brood, the nurse bees with each frame, and a good bit of foragers shaken off into a box. Now I have it home and they are "busy as bees". BUT.... I am noticing several dead lavae around the ground in front of the hive and have witnessed myself bees flying some away from the hive. What I say several, I would say there are about 15 on the ground and have witnessed atleast 3 being flown off. Is this normal housekeeping or? Article 33295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just Wondering Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:58:53 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1043.clefable.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1030827642 26786 217.135.88.19 (31 Aug 2002 21:00:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2002 21:00:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:878 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33295 Worker or drone larvae? Is the brood healthy in the hive? Are there enough bees to cover all of the brood properly? Where are you? "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:rn7c9.44657$Ke2.3148095@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hello, > > I just got me 5 frames of brood, the nurse bees with each frame, and a good > bit of foragers shaken off into a box. Now I have it home and they are > "busy as bees". > > BUT.... I am noticing several dead lavae around the ground in front of the > hive and have witnessed myself bees flying some away from the hive. > > What I say several, I would say there are about 15 on the ground and have > witnessed atleast 3 being flown off. > > Is this normal housekeeping or? > > Article 33296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Just Wondering Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:21:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1030828913 12.86.120.165 (Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:21:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:21:53 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:879 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33296 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:akrapq$q52$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > Worker or drone larvae? Not sure there.... some are still undeveloped, kinda like a grub. Others are mostly formed, but still whitish and from the two that I examined closely they eyes appear to be the size of workers. > Is the brood healthy in the hive? I would assume so. I just got them on this past Thursday from the president of the local beekeeper assoc. And the day before I got them the bee inspector was at his hives. I have been unable to open the hive due to the fact at the same time I installed the nuke, I installed a new queen (after nuc was queenless about 3.5 hours). So I am hesitant to open the hive until a week has passed to keep the stress down on the hive. > Are there enough bees to cover all of the brood properly? He gave me 5 frames of brood with bees on them, then he shook additional bees into the box. So I believe so. > Where are you? Panama City Florida > > "Ccdrogan" wrote in message > news:rn7c9.44657$Ke2.3148095@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Hello, > > > > I just got me 5 frames of brood, the nurse bees with each frame, and a > good > > bit of foragers shaken off into a box. Now I have it home and they are > > "busy as bees". > > > > BUT.... I am noticing several dead lavae around the ground in front of the > > hive and have witnessed myself bees flying some away from the hive. > > > > What I say several, I would say there are about 15 on the ground and have > > witnessed atleast 3 being flown off. > > > > Is this normal housekeeping or? > > > > > > Article 33297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just Wondering Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:32:10 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 86 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu221-194.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1030829583 7869 195.163.194.221 (31 Aug 2002 21:33:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:33:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!opentransit.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33297 Hi Does the bees have enough food? I.e. is there any nectar sources near. A hive without food will clean out enough larvea to balance the food need to whats available Another cause could be that there is to few grown bees compared to amount of larvea Yet another is that some larvae got "chilled" or disturbed during the move and/or handling And there is a possibility for chalkbrood but these larvae does not look anything like the live larvea 15 larvea is not much considering that there is more than 2000 larvea per fram (naturally depending on frame size) I would recommend that you do not "dig around" in the hive for at least 14 day giving the bees a chance to settle. Good luck Magnus "Ccdrogan" skrev i meddelandet news:Rrac9.44997$Ke2.3170078@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:akrapq$q52$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Worker or drone larvae? > > Not sure there.... some are still undeveloped, kinda like a grub. Others > are mostly formed, but still whitish and from the two that I examined > closely they eyes appear to be the size of workers. > > > Is the brood healthy in the hive? > > I would assume so. I just got them on this past Thursday from the president > of the local beekeeper assoc. And the day before I got them the bee > inspector was at his hives. > > I have been unable to open the hive due to the fact at the same time I > installed the nuke, I installed a new queen (after nuc was queenless about > 3.5 hours). So I am hesitant to open the hive until a week has passed to > keep the stress down on the hive. > > > Are there enough bees to cover all of the brood properly? > > He gave me 5 frames of brood with bees on them, then he shook additional > bees into the box. So I believe so. > > > Where are you? > > Panama City Florida > > > > > "Ccdrogan" wrote in message > > news:rn7c9.44657$Ke2.3148095@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > Hello, > > > > > > I just got me 5 frames of brood, the nurse bees with each frame, and a > > good > > > bit of foragers shaken off into a box. Now I have it home and they are > > > "busy as bees". > > > > > > BUT.... I am noticing several dead lavae around the ground in front of > the > > > hive and have witnessed myself bees flying some away from the hive. > > > > > > What I say several, I would say there are about 15 on the ground and > have > > > witnessed atleast 3 being flown off. > > > > > > Is this normal housekeeping or? > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Philadelphia beekeepers Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:34:26 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu221-194.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1030829720 8052 195.163.194.221 (31 Aug 2002 21:35:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:35:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33298 Hi I'm on my way to move to northwest Philadelphia PA Anyone know of beekeeper there or in Pennsylvania mvh Magnus Article 33299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two questions about beekeeping.... Date: 31 Aug 2002 14:59:29 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0208311359.6fb383bb@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.113.123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1030831170 32613 127.0.0.1 (31 Aug 2002 21:59:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2002 21:59:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33299 "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:... > 1. Does anyone "clean" your hives in the fall? I don't mean just the honey > supers but the entire hive? If you do, are you scrapping, leveling the > brood supers or are they left alone? Is it better to let the bees handle > that section completely or do they need assistance? > As a matter of course when I batten down my hives for the winter I change the floors and put clean brood chambers on and simply put the brood frames in them. I also do the same when I do my spring inspections, I am a great believer in clean hives, this way it helps to keep down disease. I run my hives on mesh floors all the year and find that they keep much cleaner, less damp and muck on the floors. Albert Cannon Article 33300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just Wondering Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:04:48 +0100 Lines: 79 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-286.kook.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1030831537 392 62.25.169.30 (31 Aug 2002 22:05:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2002 22:05:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:880 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33300 If it is just a few larvae then I would not worry. Wait the week and then check the health of the brood. Probably no worries on the health front given the source and the recent inspection (assuming that it was a routine inspection - not because of a major outbreak of disease!). Could be throwing out drone larvae, if there were any - so no worries there. Are they OK for food? Do you know how much stores were in the frames. Could be throwing out some larvae if they can't feed them. Lift the back of the hive gently to check weight (get an experienced beekeeper to help if you are not sure). Just one thought, how far away is your supplier's apiary? If less than three miles then you may have lost some bees back to him! -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:Rrac9.44997$Ke2.3170078@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:akrapq$q52$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Worker or drone larvae? > > Not sure there.... some are still undeveloped, kinda like a grub. Others > are mostly formed, but still whitish and from the two that I examined > closely they eyes appear to be the size of workers. > > > Is the brood healthy in the hive? > > I would assume so. I just got them on this past Thursday from the president > of the local beekeeper assoc. And the day before I got them the bee > inspector was at his hives. > > I have been unable to open the hive due to the fact at the same time I > installed the nuke, I installed a new queen (after nuc was queenless about > 3.5 hours). So I am hesitant to open the hive until a week has passed to > keep the stress down on the hive. > > > Are there enough bees to cover all of the brood properly? > > He gave me 5 frames of brood with bees on them, then he shook additional > bees into the box. So I believe so. > > > Where are you? > > Panama City Florida > > > > > "Ccdrogan" wrote in message > > news:rn7c9.44657$Ke2.3148095@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > Hello, > > > > > > I just got me 5 frames of brood, the nurse bees with each frame, and a > > good > > > bit of foragers shaken off into a box. Now I have it home and they are > > > "busy as bees". > > > > > > BUT.... I am noticing several dead lavae around the ground in front of > the > > > hive and have witnessed myself bees flying some away from the hive. > > > > > > What I say several, I would say there are about 15 on the ground and > have > > > witnessed atleast 3 being flown off. > > > > > > Is this normal housekeeping or? > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just Wondering Date: 31 Aug 2002 16:48:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0208311548.242ec9c1@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.30.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1030837714 6213 127.0.0.1 (31 Aug 2002 23:48:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2002 23:48:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:881 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33301 > BUT.... I am noticing several dead lavae around the ground in front of the > hive and have witnessed myself bees flying some away from the hive. > I think some larvae are going to perish just from being handled and transported to make up a nuc. It would be even better if you described the dead larvae. Article 33302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Just Wondering Lines: 93 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 01:29:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1030843751 12.86.120.6 (Sun, 01 Sep 2002 01:29:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 01:29:11 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:882 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33302 > Are they OK for food? Do you know how much stores were in the frames. > Could be throwing out some larvae if they can't feed them. Lift the back of > the hive gently to check weight (get an experienced beekeeper to help if you > are not sure). He gave me 4 Frames of brood and one frame almost completely honey. Plus I have a hive top feeder with sugar water 1:1 on the hive right now to help out. > Just one thought, how far away is your supplier's apiary? If less than > three miles then you may have lost some bees back to him! Well over 3 miles... closer to 20 > -- > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > > > "Ccdrogan" wrote in message > news:Rrac9.44997$Ke2.3170078@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > > "Peter Edwards" wrote > in > > message news:akrapq$q52$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > Worker or drone larvae? > > > > Not sure there.... some are still undeveloped, kinda like a grub. Others > > are mostly formed, but still whitish and from the two that I examined > > closely they eyes appear to be the size of workers. > > > > > Is the brood healthy in the hive? > > > > I would assume so. I just got them on this past Thursday from the > president > > of the local beekeeper assoc. And the day before I got them the bee > > inspector was at his hives. > > > > I have been unable to open the hive due to the fact at the same time I > > installed the nuke, I installed a new queen (after nuc was queenless about > > 3.5 hours). So I am hesitant to open the hive until a week has passed to > > keep the stress down on the hive. > > > > > Are there enough bees to cover all of the brood properly? > > > > He gave me 5 frames of brood with bees on them, then he shook additional > > bees into the box. So I believe so. > > > > > Where are you? > > > > Panama City Florida > > > > > > > > "Ccdrogan" wrote in message > > > news:rn7c9.44657$Ke2.3148095@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I just got me 5 frames of brood, the nurse bees with each frame, and a > > > good > > > > bit of foragers shaken off into a box. Now I have it home and they > are > > > > "busy as bees". > > > > > > > > BUT.... I am noticing several dead lavae around the ground in front of > > the > > > > hive and have witnessed myself bees flying some away from the hive. > > > > > > > > What I say several, I would say there are about 15 on the ground and > > have > > > > witnessed atleast 3 being flown off. > > > > > > > > Is this normal housekeeping or? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Deanna Briggs" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just Wondering Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:50:49 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 30 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:883 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33303 I bought a 2 story hive this spring from Drapers Super Bee Apiary. I as well had some dead brood (not as many as you though), so I asked them. They said that due to stress (moving and all) the bees would occasionally do this. Not too much to worry about. Maybe you should feed them some sugar water from an entrance feeder if you are unable to look inside for food supplies. Also this is awfully late in the year to be dividing hives!! Will they have enough food for the winter?? Here in PA we need to leave two full supers just for them to survive our winters. Hope I helped, Deanna "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:rn7c9.44657$Ke2.3148095@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hello, > > I just got me 5 frames of brood, the nurse bees with each frame, and a good > bit of foragers shaken off into a box. Now I have it home and they are > "busy as bees". > > BUT.... I am noticing several dead lavae around the ground in front of the > hive and have witnessed myself bees flying some away from the hive. > > What I say several, I would say there are about 15 on the ground and have > witnessed atleast 3 being flown off. > > Is this normal housekeeping or? > >