From connie@lightspeed.net Tue Aug 19 05:23:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: connie@lightspeed.net (Connie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Scrap Sugar??? Date: 4 Aug 2003 20:26:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.32.93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1060053963 31323 127.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2003 03:26:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2003 03:26:03 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36325 Where can I buy cheap sugar? I have been paying $16 for 50 lbs. at Smart and Final. Is there a better deal? I'm in Bakersfield, California and the bees look like they will need feeding soon .... it's as dry as burned toast out here. Thanks for any replies. From hardenhomeREMOVE@bigfoot.com Thu Aug 28 05:24:58 EDT 2003 Article: 36401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!203-219-242-176-bri-ts9-2600.tpgi.com.AU!not-for-mail From: "Graham Harden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in a cold climate Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:08:32 +1000 Lines: 11 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Graham Harden" NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-219-242-176-bri-ts9-2600.tpgi.com.au (203.219.242.176) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1061514524 4722525 203.219.242.176 (16 [60459]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36401 I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice, maybe from you guys in Canada or North-Central US on how to keep a hive alive when the temperature drops to minus 20 degrees centigrade (-4 Fahrenheit) for four months of the year. Cheers Graham hardenhome@yahoo.com From shuston@riverace.com Thu Aug 28 05:24:58 EDT 2003 Article: 36402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much for land owner? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.93.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1061568245 24.62.93.62 (Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:04:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:04:05 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:04:05 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36402 I'm in Massachusetts, US and have a question... I'm going to put some bees on someone else's land. I've had them on my property for a few years, but never on someone else's. How much should I expect to compensate the owner? He wants some honey, probably no money. What's a reasonable amount? Thanks, -Steve From lazurus106@aol.com Thu Aug 28 05:24:59 EDT 2003 Article: 36403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Aug 2003 17:42:00 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Message-ID: <20030822134200.15843.00000326@mb-m12.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36403 Hi, The standard that I have used. If its a good site (and you shouldn't stay in a poor one their are a lot of folks eager to have your girls around) A quart a hive up to 20 (in the cheapest gallon jugs) then its a five gallon bucket for 20- 50 most of them have a hard time dealing with 10 quarts the first year then, once there friends have tasted real honey they will take all you can give. and then buy more. Iif they speak early enough and are helpful. I have been known to put it in smaller jars at cost. If want a gazillion 8 oz bears they better show up and fill em themselves. (this also makes it apparent that there is a lot more work in extracting the honey also. And time space and money in storing equipment.) I would recomend working this out before you put your yard in. Obviously too late for this yard but it can help keep you in a good yard if everyone is on the same page from the start. hope this helps. Cheers, Dutch in Madison,WI PS yes thats pretty generous, but consider the differance between a landowner who's solidly behind you and the alternative. From kauhl-mbg@t-online.de Thu Aug 28 05:24:59 EDT 2003 Article: 36404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: "D. Kauhl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in a cold climate Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:04:24 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1061582754 02 7176 FyBfVrwSS0-Wt1 030822 20:05:54 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: XpSrXyZO8enIM3hPWR01TriRXBhOen1fNKM5MCtOub2SYbzGRcjyEx X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36404 hallo temperature for itself and duration of cold period is not the problem, dangerous is humidity, bad isolation, too much room, temporal up and down and shortcoming of food I have my knowledge from a beekeeper of the Alpes, height 900 m: enough food is the only garantee for survival and if you are interested in research results of the university of Munich (home of Max v. Frisch!) referring the behaviour of bees during winter to get their food accessible, I can give you the URL and then you will understand faithfully from the Lake of Constance (apis m. mellifera) kauhl "Graham Harden" wrote in message news:bi3qeq$4g3qt$1@ID-60459.news.uni-berlin.de... > I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that > sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice, maybe from you > guys in Canada or North-Central US on how to keep a hive alive when the > temperature drops to minus 20 degrees centigrade (-4 Fahrenheit) for four > months of the year. > > Cheers > Graham > hardenhome@yahoo.com > > From martyc@nospamformemegagate.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:00 EDT 2003 Article: 36405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Marty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee hive chat Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:24:50 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-457.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1050 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1050 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36405 ^ "Marty" wrote in message news:bhnc6j01vb2@enews2.newsguy.com... > Hi All, > I set up a live chat room called the Bee Hive to discuss beekeeping, if > anyone is interested in real time chat. Thought it might come in handy if > anyone had a urgent question or just wanted to fellowship a bit. The link > is: http://client.sigmachat.com/sc.pl?id=46568 > It is open 24-7. One and all welcome. > From DaveHamiltonHatesSpam@alltel.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:00 EDT 2003 Article: 36406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed2.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe11.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Message-ID: <53ickvku3tf9lti3u86p7c6uminns92n0l@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:46:00 EDT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:45:01 -0500 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36406 I have always given a 3lb jug for each hive Dave On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:04:05 GMT, "Steve Huston" wrote: >I'm in Massachusetts, US and have a question... I'm going to put some bees >on someone else's land. I've had them on my property for a few years, but >never on someone else's. How much should I expect to compensate the owner? >He wants some honey, probably no money. What's a reasonable amount? > >Thanks, > >-Steve > From bamboo@localnet.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:01 EDT 2003 Article: 36407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Date: 23 Aug 2003 06:03:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0308230503.abcd6db@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061643785 17145 127.0.0.1 (23 Aug 2003 13:03:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Aug 2003 13:03:05 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36407 "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:... > I'm in Massachusetts, US and have a question... I'm going to put some bees > on someone else's land. I've had them on my property for a few years, but > never on someone else's. How much should I expect to compensate the owner? > He wants some honey, probably no money. What's a reasonable amount? > > Thanks, > > -Steve DO they use pesticides on crops or turf? Is it a productive site? Are there horses on the land which can lead to big problems as some fly sprays really incite stinging? Is the site reasonably secure or is every kid with a dirtbike passing by? Can you park a pickup truck right near the hives? Can you get there after dark when you are moving hives? Are your bees pollinating their crops? I don't think you will find a fixed amount, but it's easy to be generous with honey. I tend to drop a few qts off at a time in mason jars trying to vary the type and season. Be a good landuser- leave gates the way you found them, don't drive over wet fields, keep on top of aggressive colonies, make sure the bees have water, don't burn the place down with the smoker. Tom From islapro@islapro.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:01 EDT 2003 Article: 36408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!nsnmpen1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!news.ya.com!yacom!not-for-mail From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in a cold climate Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:24:23 +0200 Organization: ya.com internet factory Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-151-60-194.newtp.ya.com X-Trace: news.ya.com 1061655864 22180 62.151.60.194 (23 Aug 2003 16:24:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:24:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36408 In you can get your hand on the last issues of American Bee Juournal, (www.dadant.com) there are several articles >from a canadian fellow by the name of Andrew Dziadyk, from Saskatoon, Wester Canada, and he explains about wintering and short seasons, very well versed. He wrote an 8 part series on this issue. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain Jose Matas "Graham Harden" escribió en el mensaje news:bi3qeq$4g3qt$1@ID-60459.news.uni-berlin.de... > I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that > sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice, maybe from you > guys in Canada or North-Central US on how to keep a hive alive when the > temperature drops to minus 20 degrees centigrade (-4 Fahrenheit) for four > months of the year. > > Cheers > Graham > hardenhome@yahoo.com > > From jim_member@newsguy.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:01 EDT 2003 Article: 36409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Date: 23 Aug 2003 10:08:14 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <23e8adb1.0308230503.abcd6db@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-834.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 4.20 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36409 > How much should I expect to compensate the owner? > He wants some honey, probably no money. > What's a reasonable amount? There is a simple answer - they should NEVER want for honey as long as they host your hives. This is in addition to any money that might change hands. Most people don't use much honey, so this is a very easy target to meet. I tend to simply drop off a quart every time I work the hives, sometimes "visiting" with the landowner for a bit before going out to the hives, and sometimes acting like the milkman, leaving the honey on the porch. I do not ever give someone a giant container of honey, as these are unwieldy. (The only people who really want large pails or jugs of honey are people who are serious bakers.) The best part about using smaller containers is that if they don't really need more honey, they can give a quart to a friend, and "share the wealth". For this reason, I use bottles taken from "retail" stock. This approach is the best way to assure good relations, since it gives me an excuse to talk with the landowner more often, which prevents misconceptions, and it is a way to announce when I have been on their land. If someone leaves a gate open, or something unusual happens, the landowner KNOWS when I have "been by" and when I have not. This keeps me from being blamed for random events, If theirs is a large family, don't skimp. Give them the bigger 3-pound jars. jim From islapro@islapro.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed2.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!nsnmpen1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!news.ya.com!yacom!not-for-mail From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in a cold climate Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:25:31 +0200 Organization: ya.com internet factory Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-151-62-99.newtp.ya.com X-Trace: news.ya.com 1061717133 18098 62.151.62.99 (24 Aug 2003 09:25:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:25:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36410 One of the mentioned articles from Andrew Dziadyk, part 9, is in the PDF file, May issue of ABJ http://www.dadant.com/journal/toc/documents/MayTableofContents.pdf to bad that they are not placing the documents on the web. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain "Graham Harden" escribió en el mensaje news:bi3qeq$4g3qt$1@ID-60459.news.uni-berlin.de... > I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that > sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice, maybe from you > guys in Canada or North-Central US on how to keep a hive alive when the > temperature drops to minus 20 degrees centigrade (-4 Fahrenheit) for four > months of the year. > > Cheers > Graham > hardenhome@yahoo.com > > From csoderquist@wideopenwest.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.wideopenwest.com!news.wideopenwest.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:42:00 -0500 From: "csoderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:41:41 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <7KqdnXoeM5h0ZdWiXTWJkQ@wideopenwest.com> Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.233.219.130 X-Trace: sv3-cJmGcOvS6yAeA8vxj+/VZ9cQx90HR4VNDv2THPmHsweiLKvXl/m13ii4uyCOMGZ84YiYqSpjL/PYpiQ!Q4xmOwlMQ1FIEq88RNEH5CH7gcHnOdKpbEKJy+IugmErJt20ll85bV/xW/fhLn3Pv8XzFLtdsY7E!wx1u+ylBjd/iqJ1lY7qIpyncBgvWH0XzdPOy7Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36411 I keep a dozen hives on a ranch, harvest this year about 1k#. I give the owner a 60# bucket and he buys the containers from me and strains and bottles it himself. This year he asked if I was going to give him more and I said that 60# was more than generous. The hives are in a secure area, locked to keep the cows out, 140 acres of alfalfa and sweet clover, no pesticides, easy access. "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:V9r1b.170320$cF.58839@rwcrnsc53... > I'm in Massachusetts, US and have a question... I'm going to put some bees > on someone else's land. I've had them on my property for a few years, but > never on someone else's. How much should I expect to compensate the owner? > He wants some honey, probably no money. What's a reasonable amount? > > Thanks, > > -Steve > > From natkrit1ps@ont.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Farris" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TBH + Langstroth.... Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:36:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3efadbfa$0$225@hades.is.co.za> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 42 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36412 I'd go to look at the 'Hardware/Equipment' section of BeeSource.com to get some great ideas on TBHs. If you search this area, you can find some links top TBH photos which might also give you a few ideas. "Daniel Fiske" wrote in message news:3efadbfa$0$225@hades.is.co.za... > I've been wanting to start some TBH and seeing as I will be building them > from scratch, I've been thinking of some possible designs. My biggest > concern with TBH is having to move them, so I thought of this as a solution. > > Take a Langstroth brood chamber and cut the sides (left and right) and > attach a the normal V-Shaped TBH structure to that. In between each section > put a queen excluder. Then in the brood section use normal brood frames > (attached to a top bar), while the store section uses normal TBH. My > thinking is that if I need to move the whole hive I can easily move the > brood and queen into a brood box and a super before the move....then move > them....and then at their new location, move them back into the TBH. > > Another option would be to build a LARGE brood box (about 3 times as wide) > and just use brood frames for everything. Are there extractors that take > brood-size frames? > > The reason I am looking into using a TBH/horizontal configuration is that I > find my bees (African) get quite agitated and disturbed if I need to look at > the brood section, because I need to remove everything above it and I'm > thinking that the TBH structure would eliminate this? I'm a hobbiest, so > "lower" yield is not an issue. > > Any thoughts? > > Regards > > Daniel. > > From honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 28 05:25:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic reaction to sting Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:21:57 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6xMWrUEVBRS$Ewgw@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1061753604 13811 193.237.253.225 (24 Aug 2003 19:33:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:33:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02aS Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36413 In article , Peter Edwards writes >What is all this about blood transfusions??? > >Peter Edwards >"Gusttimilián Pazderka" wrote in message >news:bh7kgi$tpo$1@news.contactel.cz... >> Interest: Professional beekeeper must before blood taking >> >> inform that being beekeeper.On blood-transfusion could can take place >> allergic reaction with eventuality also exitus. Sounds like Gus is telling us that if we keep a lot of bees and get stung a lot, if we give blood we should make sure this is known. I have never heard of the possibility that blood donation could cause an allergic reaction in the recipient, but I will ask next time I give blood. -- James Kilty From honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 28 05:25:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in a cold climate Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:30:06 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1061753605 13811 193.237.253.225 (24 Aug 2003 19:33:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:33:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02aS Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36414 In article , Graham Harden writes >I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that >sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice Try Ari Sepp Project Manager Finnish Beekeepers' Association komppa-seppala@co.inet.fi www.hunaja.net and Mats Andersson from Stockholm -- James Kilty From swilson1@hsc.edu Thu Aug 28 05:25:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Date: 24 Aug 2003 16:39:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061768355 30378 127.0.0.1 (24 Aug 2003 23:39:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2003 23:39:15 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36415 I'd like some comments...A Bee Buddy went to his outyard. Found one of 25 or so hives dead. A swath of dead bees 2-3 deep from the hive to about 3-4 feet out into the grass. Clear line of demarcation between bees and ground fairly evenly spread. When we opened: Queen and maybe a cup of workers were walking around totally empty drawn comb. No brood, pollen, or honey. Maybe a half cup of dead bees in the solid bottom board. A whiff of skunk was in the yard but no skunk poop or scratching. He checks his yards about every other day. Rest of hives are normal, though about 6 inches apart, facing SW. Its been a rainy year. Little honey. He brought this hive home from the Mountains last week (along with most of the others in this yard). Most were medium weak, but not this way. Must have been 3-5 # of bees in that dead swath. Any speculation? From hrogers@txk.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@txk.net (Doc Rogers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Date: 25 Aug 2003 09:39:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7e3b131a.0308250839.19257c12@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.119.69.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061829551 6096 127.0.0.1 (25 Aug 2003 16:39:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 2003 16:39:11 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36416 Howdy Susie -- Sounds like robbing to me. It is amazing how much honey a bunch of robbers can haul away in a short time. Moving bees and other things can disorient a colony for a day or so, so it is helpful to reduce the opening severely for a couple of days to help them in defending the colony. Doc From knackeback@randspringer.de Thu Aug 28 05:25:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!redrat.quark.de!nobody From: Knackeback Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey and allergy Date: 25 Aug 2003 20:01:23 +0200 Organization: 1&1 Internet AG Lines: 4 Sender: thomas@redrat.quark.de Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd90362de.dip0.t-ipconnect.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: online.de 1061832700 26035 217.3.98.222 (25 Aug 2003 17:31:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:31:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36417 A colleague of mine reported about his brother who can not eat honey because he suffers from an allergy. What is known about the interrelation between pollen as a component of honey and allergies ? From alanzen@nohostinvalid.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alanzen Subject: Re: honey and allergy User-Agent: Pan/0.14.0.93 (He's Upstairs, Helping Porcelain Make the Bed) Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 04:32:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.74.154.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1061872324 67.74.154.218 (Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:32:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:32:04 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36418 On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:01:23 +0200, Knackeback wrote: > A colleague of mine reported about his brother who can not eat honey > because he suffers from an allergy. What is known about the interrelation > between pollen as a component of honey and allergies ? You can find a dearth of information with a google search or a medline search using "allergies + honey + pollen". From personal knowledge, proteins from various pollens are an inescapable component of any honey. Most often it is a protein which stimulates an allergic response. Here in the US many people consume local honey (with local pollens in relatively low amounts)in order to develop a low dose tolerance effect against local pollen allergens. It is also possible that the allergy is not pollen related, but due to some other component in the honey, perhaps a polysaccharide or other compound. It is possible that an individual could in fact tolerate honey from another area which has nectars and pollens to which he has not yet been exposed and to which he will have developed no allergy thus far. Alan S. From NstretchO@SPstretchphotographyAM.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting w/o an Extractor Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Message-ID: Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:21:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.145.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1061900500 66.167.145.88 (Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:21:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:21:40 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36419 Greetings, all. As we were trying to get our hive back to full strength, we didn't put on a honey super this year. I would like to pull one or two frames out of the second brood box, however, and get a bit of honey for my wife and I. We don't have an extractor. I've heard that the frames can just be turned upside down over a tin of some sort, after the cappings have been punctured or removed. We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are my options for removing the cappings? THANKS! :) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com From avila.35@charter.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Harvest 2003 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:51:42 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36420 Hello all! I am a backyard beekeeper in Redding , CA (two hours south of Oregon Border). I harvested my single hive this year. I am pleased to say that I extracted roughly 80 lbs from three medium supers. I used Fischer's "Bee Quick" and couldn't be more pleased with the results. I pulled the supers on a cloudy day with 23% humidity. After leaving the fume board on for about ten minutes I pulled the super to find only two bees in the whole super! The product smells great and is easy to work with. This was my first time harvesting honey from my hive so I didn't know what to expect. I am really pleased with the harvest, and yes, it was hard work! I was up until 1am cleaning up the mess! Thanks to all of you who gave me help and advice this past year. I wish all of you a great harvest! May the bee gods smile upon you! James Avila Redding, California From deweyplains@NOSPAMyahoo,com Thu Aug 28 05:25:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Smart" Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc303955.mw.nos.boeing.com Message-ID: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Lines: 23 Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: The Boeing Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 References: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:00:15 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36421 It could be a pesticide kill. All thoses bees in a swath out front is a sure sign. Billy Smart Kansas "Susi" wrote in message news:f8fc4726.0308241539.76318c00@posting.google.com... > I'd like some comments...A Bee Buddy went to his outyard. Found one > of 25 or so hives dead. A swath of dead bees 2-3 deep from the hive > to about 3-4 feet out into the grass. Clear line of demarcation > between bees and ground fairly evenly spread. When we opened: Queen > and maybe a cup of workers were walking around totally empty drawn > comb. No brood, pollen, or honey. Maybe a half cup of dead bees in > the solid bottom board. A whiff of skunk was in the yard but no skunk > poop or scratching. He checks his yards about every other day. Rest > of hives are normal, though about 6 inches apart, facing SW. Its been > a rainy year. Little honey. He brought this hive home from the > Mountains last week (along with most of the others in this yard). > Most were medium weak, but not this way. Must have been 3-5 # of bees > in that dead swath. Any speculation? From swilson1@hsc.edu Thu Aug 28 05:25:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Date: 26 Aug 2003 13:52:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061931133 13111 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2003 20:52:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 20:52:13 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36422 I doubt pesticides, because none of the other 20 + hives had any damage. Robbing, maybe over heating? Thanks for your consideration! From swilson1@hsc.edu Thu Aug 28 05:25:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor Date: 26 Aug 2003 13:55:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061931306 13261 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2003 20:55:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 20:55:06 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36423 I've seen pictures of people crushing the combs and straining the honey out. Lose your come. Maybe just use cut comb and strain out the drippings From swilson1@hsc.edu Thu Aug 28 05:25:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cheap sugar Date: 26 Aug 2003 14:00:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061931639 13516 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2003 21:00:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 21:00:39 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36424 Had a question from Debbie and Gary about the name of the supplier: it was Sysco. This is a regular restaurant supplier and we got a discount because of the size of the order and amount of sugar. 13.33333 cents/pound From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 28 05:25:08 EDT 2003 Article: 36425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:47:46 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.181.168 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1061935691 15983 217.135.181.168 (26 Aug 2003 22:08:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 22:08:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36425 "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote: > We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are > my options for removing the cappings? A cold knife? I use one of those long ham knives and have extracted over 400 supers so far this year. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 28 05:25:09 EDT 2003 Article: 36426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:55:42 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.181.168 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1061935693 15983 217.135.181.168 (26 Aug 2003 22:08:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 22:08:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36426 It seems unlikely that the bees died inside the hive, as they would from overheating, because that many dead bees would have blocked the entrance and the very small number of live bees remaining would have had little chance of removing them. I would be more inclined to suspect robbing, pesticide, or poisoning of some sort; sometimes just one or two colonies in an apiary are hit by pesticide - presumably they are working a different source from the others. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Susi" wrote in message news:f8fc4726.0308261252.6bbf508@posting.google.com... > I doubt pesticides, because none of the other 20 + hives had any > damage. Robbing, maybe over heating? Thanks for your consideration! From tim.whittinghamnosp@mvirgin.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:09 EDT 2003 Article: 36427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-quince!easynet.net!easynet-post1!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:20:02 +0100 Organization: none X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3f4bdc78$0$10775$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.134.20.115 X-Trace: DXC=^2=RFO4n2\OU\Ym:M]Po>L?:4Lhl7Fd^H_XTNn4i:J?M Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36427 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:biglob$fjf$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote: > > We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are > > my options for removing the cappings? > > A cold knife? I use one of those long ham knives and have extracted over > 400 supers so far this year. > Heated knife absolutely not necessary. A knife with a serrated edge, very little force and a sawing motion will be very efficient. Am interested to know if you can leave combs to drip themselves empty. sounds plausible. Tim W From john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org Thu Aug 28 05:25:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:41:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1061944893 4.62.104.31 (Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:41:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:41:33 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36428 swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) wrote: >.... Found one of 25 or so hives dead. A swath of dead bees 2-3 deep from the hive >to about 3-4 feet out into the grass. Clear line of demarcation >between bees and ground fairly evenly spread. When we opened: Queen >and maybe a cup of workers were walking around totally empty drawn >comb. No brood, pollen, or honey. Maybe a half cup of dead bees in >the solid bottom board. My guess is robbing, since it only affected 1 out of the 25 colonies and the hive was completely empty of honey. However, poisoning can't be ruled out, as it is common for colonies in the same yard to forage different sources. If it were robbing, there would likely be a lot of wax bits on the bottom board, and the cappings of cells that formerly held honey would appear to have been torn open instead of neatly uncapped. If these signs of robbing weren't there, I'd lean towards poisoning. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping From john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org Thu Aug 28 05:25:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:49:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1061945391 4.62.104.31 (Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:49:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:49:51 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36429 "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" wrote: >As we were trying to get our hive back to full strength, we didn't put >on a honey super this year. I would like to pull one or two frames out >of the second brood box, however, and get a bit of honey for my wife and >I. > >We don't have an extractor. I've heard that the frames can just be >turned upside down over a tin of some sort, after the cappings have been >punctured or removed. We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are >my options for removing the cappings? Honey can be extracted from a few frames by scraping down to the foundation with a large spoon IF the comb has not had brood in it. The foundation is stronger than the wax walls on comb that never had brood, and if you are careful it works quite well. Here's how: Hold the frame in a vertical position in a large, shallow bowl. Starting at the bottom of the comb, scrape away at the comb right down to the foundation on each side. Work upwards on the frame. The foundation can then be returned to the hive and the honey/wax mess in the bowl can be strained. Alternatively, enjoy cut-comb honey. Recommend freezing the comb overnight if you do this, to avoid hatching moth larva. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping From heath7@bellsouth.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!bignumb.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!bignews2.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Charles Heatherly User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvest 2003 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:24:56 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.161.29 X-Trace: bignews2.bellsouth.net 1061954615 209.214.161.29 (Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:23:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:23:35 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36430 You were very fortunate in your excellent honey year. Many of us here on the east coast have experienced a less than stellar year. First, we had two successive years of drought, then a severe winter, followed by a late spring and a late cold spell that delayed the blooms, and then a very wet summer. Here in NorthCarolina, our honey production has been below expectations, due to the weather. There is good news, though. Our colonies are going into the winter much stronger than they have during the past two winters, so we may have a good year next year. At least, that's something to hope for. Charles Heatherly, Cary, NC James Avila wrote: >Hello all! > > I am a backyard beekeeper in Redding , CA (two hours south of Oregon >Border). I harvested my single hive this year. I am pleased to say that I >extracted roughly 80 lbs from three medium supers. > I used Fischer's "Bee Quick" and couldn't be more pleased with the >results. I pulled the supers on a cloudy day with 23% humidity. After >leaving the fume board on for about ten minutes I pulled the super to find >only two bees in the whole super! The product smells great and is easy to >work with. > This was my first time harvesting honey from my hive so I didn't know >what to expect. I am really pleased with the harvest, and yes, it was hard >work! I was up until 1am cleaning up the mess! > Thanks to all of you who gave me help and advice this past year. I wish >all of you a great harvest! May the bee gods smile upon you! > >James Avila >Redding, California > > > > From j_kimbroNOSPAM@pacbell.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!c0196b2f!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Off the wall one for ya.... Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <9LW2b.7837$q85.2912@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1061959749 ST000 63.197.142.62 (Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:49:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:49:09 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@ION_ZYERR\XLROZOFTBTR\B@GXLN@GZ_GYO^BTJUZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:49:09 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36431 I know this one might be out there but,,,,,, on some website somewhere I found a picture of a McDonalds meal that also listed everything on it that was pollinated or affected by pollination. I need to get another copy of that picture but for the life of me can't remember where I found it. Sound familiar to anyone? Thanks,,,Jerry From lithar@hcis.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:47:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:27:47 -0500 From: AL User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.72 X-Trace: sv3-YPBVNb0MkDl2Znoo3yvlG4xU0UH3NDQoqMzqBq4cEc769cKHlrTSUV9wI+OAYzCxh5chZvRM3p0etES!tEfmlRdalQeLXtzYVbyaEfb/4Y6g9tVUlbql1EsTSr2X13kLmI+DiW4Xw23jd4gQS4dG432QaiE1!HhvNRBLvfw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36432 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: > We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are > my options for removing the cappings? An electric carving knife works great. Keep a pot (2lb coffee can on a camp stove) of boiling hot water handy to soak & heat the blades. This removes wax/honey build up between the reciprocating blades that can drag down the motor - I know for a fact this can lead to motor burn out... AL From isa@msu.edu Fri Aug 29 07:57:12 EDT 2003 Article: 36433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: isa@msu.edu (isa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nature and Science Date: 28 Aug 2003 07:01:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 63 Message-ID: <45d0220e.0308280601.6796fb6d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 35.8.161.188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1062079269 17685 127.0.0.1 (28 Aug 2003 14:01:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2003 14:01:09 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36433 Nature and Science What Are the Differences Between This Journal and Others? In What Points Are This Journal Better Than Others? There are many journals in the world already. Why is this journal "Nature and Science" created? Here are some points where this journal is better than others and some differences between this journal and others: 1. This journal will not distinguish any author. No priority will be offered to any big person or authority to publish papers in this journal. All people are equal in this journal! We know that many journals normally like to accept papers from big persons or authority. 2. This journal will accept all research results, theories, techniques and debates, no matter how they are different from the conventional opinions. This is an innovative journal, rather than conservative one. We know that there are too many conservative journals in the world. 3. As there are many volunteers and very low cost labors working for this journal, it will make a fast and efficient manuscript review/editing and press with high quality. It normally only takes a few months to publish a paper after the accepted paper is submitted. We know that many journals hire people with high salary and the staff of these journals do not work in the weekend and night, and the journals normally take several years to publish a paper after it is submitted. Many papers are out of date when they are published as the slowly process. 4. This journal will provide free and easy Internet access to all the people in the world. It does not need register or login to read the journal online. We know that many journals charge reader even in the online version, and many journals want reader to do the ridiculous register that waste reader's precious time. 5. The copyright of the articles in this journal belongs to both the authors and the journal. The authors and the journal have the same right to use any information published in this journal freely. We know that most journals totally take over the copyright even the journals do not buy this kind of property right. This keeps the authors from use their precious results and arouses social waste. This copyright taking over restricts the scientific information spreading, which hurts the human civilization development. We are looking for understanding and support form all the world! Please submit your manuscripts to: Nature and Science Marsland Company P.O. Box 753 East Lansing, Michigan 48826, USA isa@msu.edu Thanks! Nature and Science Marsland Company P.O. Box 753 East Lansing, Michigan 48826, USA isa@msu.edu http://www.msu.edu/~isa From kadney@turbotek.net Fri Aug 29 07:57:13 EDT 2003 Article: 36434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nature and Science Date: 28 Aug 2003 14:12:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0308281312.14b314b@posting.google.com> References: <45d0220e.0308280601.6796fb6d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.75.195.240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1062105127 5207 127.0.0.1 (28 Aug 2003 21:12:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2003 21:12:07 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36434 > 1. This journal will not distinguish any author. > 2. This journal will accept all research results, theories, techniques > and debates Ah, yes..."Crackpot Monthly" From nobody@nullcity.net Sat Aug 30 21:56:47 EDT 2003 Article: 36435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@nullcity.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nature and Science Date: 29 Aug 2003 07:58:41 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <45d0220e.0308280601.6796fb6d@posting.google.com> <7fe11997.0308281312.14b314b@posting.google.com> Reply-To: nobody@nullcity.net NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1062158320 1361 166.84.1.3 (29 Aug 2003 11:58:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36435 In article <7fe11997.0308281312.14b314b@posting.google.com>, Ken wrote: >> 1. This journal will not distinguish any author. >> 2. This journal will accept all research results, theories, techniques >> and debates > >Ah, yes..."Crackpot Monthly" Maybe. Maybe not. Reading the first few issue will be fun! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf######panix#######com To reply to this post, use the address components herein. From OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 21:56:48 EDT 2003 Article: 36436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cheap sugar Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:59:57 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1062158411 11863720 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36436 I bought 200 bags for 5 pound sugar for 78 cents a bag! I thought that was a good deal!-- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Susi" wrote in message news:f8fc4726.0308261300.22bc20f6@posting.google.com... > Had a question from Debbie and Gary about the name of the supplier: > it was Sysco. This is a regular restaurant supplier and we got a > discount because of the size of the order and amount of sugar. > 13.33333 cents/pound From david.cramp@zbee.com Sat Aug 30 21:56:48 EDT 2003 Article: 36437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!david.cramp Lines: 24 From: david.cramp@zbee.com (David Cramp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis-UK online magazine August Issue out now Message-ID: <1062251616.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:53:36 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1062251879 195.157.220.2 (Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:57:59 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:57:59 BST Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36437 The August issue can now be downloaded in the usual HTML format Apis-Uk August issue No.16 prints to 20 sides of A4. Contents: Editorial; Beekeeping news; Bee press; Obituary Ian Coleman; Articles: Beekeeping in Serbia; Natural Ways of Improving Varroa Containment (part 3) Ian Rumsey; Matt Allen on nudes, violence and genetic freaks; Me and Mini Nuc's Peter Springall; Poem of the month; Fact file Drifting Drones; Readers letters: Bob Buntine, Brian Hughes, Courtney Etheridge, Ross Gregory, Mark Winston; Beekeeping courses starting 2004; Updated beekeeping events diary and lots more Total D/L. 198KB. http://www.beedata.com/apis-uk/newsletters/apis-uk0803.htm Copy and paste the above URL in the address bar of Internet Explorer or click on the above link (while connected to the Internet). Apis-UK is a FREE online magazine for the benefit of all beekeepers supported by its readership. Regards editor David Cramp ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. From daniel@x.y Sun Aug 31 16:20:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advice.... Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:54:51 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3f52285d$0$64726@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.39.101.126 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1062348893 64726 196.39.101.126 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36438 Hi All, As it is approaching spring down south of the equator, I'm already starting to get things in order for the new season. There are 2 things I'm considering using for this new season. 1. Is lures. We can't really buy packaged bees, nor do I feel like I need to, normally I catch a few wild swarms, but have put together a few extra hives which I plan to bait. I have a few questions relating to luring bees. Firstly, besides from putting in old frames (and I've heard of melting/softening wax and rubbing the inside) are there any other tricks people can suggest? Secondly, what have people's experiences been between just leaving boxes with wax in it Vs. using lures. Thirdly if I went the way of pheromone lures can anyone suggest a good online retainer I can order from. 2. Is a fume board. I'm think of trying a fume board for harvesting....I know that people warn of HARSH CHEMICALS.....any suggestions of natural or homemade substances that do the trick? Any suggestions would be helpful. Best Regards Daniel.