1 Article 9150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:41:17 -0600 From: LibBEE@msn.com Subject: Chewy Honey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <870403044.27967@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 01 02:37:25 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 153.35.79.61 (1Cust61.max20.boston.ma.ms.uu.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Update a; Windows 95) X-Authenticated-Sender: LibBEE@msn.com Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9150 So far I've extracted about 70 lbs of honey,it's delicious,but very thick.I think it's because of the drought We are experiencing in the Boston,USA area.Is this OK to bottle as is?If I enter it in a fair will points be taken off because its so thick?Thanks for any info or advice. Garry Libby -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nilamda@aol.com (NILAMDA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving a hive Date: 1 Aug 1997 18:08:02 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19970801180801.OAA13354@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <33DFD1AC.3D13@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9151 A screened entrance??????????????? "Hive closure at the entrance should always be total. If it is done with perforated zinc or something else the bees can see through many will kill themselves trying to get out." Ted Hooper, Guide to Bees and Honey, page 135. We normally use !.25" square plastic foam 4" longer than the entrance. It gives you something to get hold of easily when you are ready to open up again. Tony Malin RUGBY UK Article 9152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!hermes.louisville.edu!not-for-mail From: caw@SPAM@bcc.louisville.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I was wondering... Date: 1 Aug 1997 21:36:24 GMT Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5rtkso$d4s$1@hermes.louisville.edu> References: <5rs3ri$1v0$190@brie.direct.ca> Reply-To: caw@SPAM@bcc.louisville.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: flowman.bcc.louisville.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9152 In <5rs3ri$1v0$190@brie.direct.ca>, C. Patterson writes: > >I was wondering if anybody could help... > >My fiancee and I want to visit her parents before >our wedding. > >However, the cheapest trip we can find is still well >beyond our financial means... > >If you can offer any help, it would be greatly >appreciated. > >Much thanks, > > Clint Patterson > 141-549 6200 McKay Ave > Burnaby, BC Canada > V5H 4L7 perhaps you could get a job??? Article 9153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.peak.org!news.structured.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!usenet From: C. Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I was wondering... Date: 1 Aug 1997 07:39:30 GMT Organization: IDC Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5rs3ri$1v0$190@brie.direct.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: van-as-12a16.direct.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9153 I was wondering if anybody could help... My fiancee and I want to visit her parents before our wedding. However, the cheapest trip we can find is still well beyond our financial means... If you can offer any help, it would be greatly appreciated. Much thanks, Clint Patterson 141-549 6200 McKay Ave Burnaby, BC Canada V5H 4L7 Article 9154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E29651.2400@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 22:07:13 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I was wondering... References: <5rs3ri$1v0$190@brie.direct.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.75.157 Lines: 22 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.75.157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9154 C. Patterson wrote: > > I was wondering if anybody could help... > > My fiancee and I want to visit her parents before > our wedding. > > However, the cheapest trip we can find is still well > beyond our financial means... > > If you can offer any help, it would be greatly > appreciated. > > Much thanks, > > Clint Patterson > 141-549 6200 McKay Ave > Burnaby, BC Canada > V5H 4L7 GEt a Job.... I'd love to own a 200 acre farm with a 5 bedroom house and a pool. Maybe a new truck. If you have money to waste throw some my way too! Article 9155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E23316.170E@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:03:50 -0400 From: "Philip M. Hempel" Reply-To: bigun@ibm.net Organization: Communications Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket Problem References: <01bc9566$f2922c80$aa0deecd@bern> <33D27634.3FDD@Birkey.Com> <33E0FD37.1D8F@hdscorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.105.139 Lines: 55 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.105.139 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9155 Thomas W. Christ wrote: > > I have used gasoline in the pastBarry Birkey wrote: > > > > Bern wrote: > > > > > > We have discovered a new yellow jacket nest in our yard deep in the ground. > > > Yes one of us has been stung :-( we need to get rid of these intruders. > > > Is there an effective solution anyone can suggest that is quick? > > > > > > Thank You! > > > -- > > > Email to Fax Service > > > http://www.aracnet.com/~bern > > > bern@aracnet.com > > > > Looks like this address needs to start being posted on a weekly basis now that we are > > getting into the yellowjacket season. > > > > http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/general/ > > > > -- > > Barry Birkey > > West Chicago, Illinois USA > > barry@birkey.com > > http://www.birkey.com > > I have used gasoline in the past (pouring several ounces of it into the > hole used by the yellowjackets). I had a problem with a yellowjacket > nest three days ago; it was underneath the kennel in which I keep my brid > dogs. I didn't want to use gasoline both because of the dogs and because > I just don't want to dump gasoline into the ground any more. Following > the advice of our Ag Extension office (who also suggested gasoline as an > alternative approach!) I used liquid Sevin. I mixed 6 oz into a gallon > of water (this is the recommended ratio on the Sevin container for fire > ants; there was no suggestion relative to yellowjackets), waited until > dark, poured it down the hole, and covered the hole with a stone. The > next morning one yellowjacket apeared, and he has since succumbed. The > Sevin didn't have the instantaneous effect of gasoline, but it ultimately > did the job. The crucial part of this approach to the problem is to > attack at night! Otherwise, you will be terribly stung. Tom. To save you the dangerous experience of using gasoline in a confined area and possible blow you and the neighborhood up - USE the product called "GETTUM GONE" for the pesky yellowjackets and wasps nests. Just spray a good dose into the entry area of the nest (siding of house, tree hole, ground hole entrance or the end of the gray football shaped nests) and with twenty four hours the nest will be finished. No one gets hurt and the enviroment is safe with this product. Just $7.00 for a can that will take care of two or more problems. Visit the webstore soon to be in full operation at www.blossomland or call 800-637-5262. PMH Article 9156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need help with home made extractor Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:54:28 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 45 Message-ID: <33E1A444.448E@nt.com> References: <870293893.25922@dejanews.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9156 k-jones@ee.utah.edu wrote: snip.... > Is it necessary to support the comb itself while it is being spun? > Most extractors I've seen have some sort of mesh (like expanded metal) > which the comb can rest against during spinning. If I were to build > an extractor in which the wooden frame was held and supported, but > with no support for the actual comb, would this work, or would the > comb be likely to break? How much support is actually needed? snip.... In my experience supporting the comb is essential, any mesh less than 1 cm would probably be OK. I'd avoid very small mesh as too much honey might be left on after extracting and therefore wasted. > (I use medium size frames, with prewired foundation, if that matters.) > > Also, I am thinking that rather than put a crank on the axle, I will > just > chuck the axle into an electric hand drill, and use this to spin the > frames. Is there some reason why this wouldn't work well? snip.... For a tangential extractor the speed will be to high for at least the first pass on the first side of the frame. The force exerted on/by the honey on the second (inside) side is likely to damage if not destroy the comb. If youtr starting from scratch why not make a tangetial extractor? I've used both tangential and radial extractors and the fiddle of doing the first side gently, then the second side fully and finally the first side fully is too much for me, I've now got a 10 frame radial. If you have a variable speed electic drill you might be able to use it starting at low speed and building up slowly. Unless its marketing hype I'm told that the electric motors on extractors is high because they sense the torque and build up speed as the effort required goes down. I'm probably wrong though! -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.usit.net!newsfeed.telalink.net!telalink!usenet From: brich@telalink.net (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee's nest Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 12:27:12 GMT Organization: Telalink Corporation, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <33e32620.36097439@news.telalink.net> References: <870323007.21989@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial1-dyn4-57.bna.telalink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9157 On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:37:15 -0600, cmartel@videotron.ca wrote: >I have a non-stopping growing nest of bees just in front of my door. >Any suggestion to what to do with it, apart from killing the bees? > >Although winter is far, what happen with it (the nest) and with them >(the bees)? > >Thanks > >Christian > >-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Please give us a description of this "nest". Since you say that it is in front of your front door I would imagine you are talking about a wasp or hornet nest (made of gray paper) rather than a honeybee colony. Honeybees will build in enclosed spaces such as trees, within building walls or attics. On rare occasion they will build outside which appears as several parallel sheets of honeycomb. Wasps and hornets will abandon their nests in winter. Honeybees that build in the open can not survive and will generally swarm to seek more suitable shelter. Let us know. -Barry Richards brich@nashville.net Nashville, Tennessee Article 9158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!news.rapidnet.net!not-for-mail From: ccgammon@bigfoot.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in My Shed Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:05:42 GMT Organization: Rapidnet Technologies Internet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5rt26g$hm1$2@news.rapidnet.net> References: <33d9d72a.204321@news.pathcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap011.rapidnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9158 do@not.use (Carol and Ron) posted: >Today, I realized that a colony of bees have set up shop in a corner >of my shed under my grass catcher. Bees are wonderful and I consider >this a boon for my garden, however this is my shed. Will this colony >eventually move or are they there for life? Is it possible for me to >create an alternative home and move them to it? How would I winterize >such a new home so that they could survive our difficult winters? How >do I move the bees? I'll give "dollars to donuts" that you've got yellow jackets or some kind of hornet! Honeybees build their natural homes in hollow trees or sometimes take up residence inside walls. Call a local exterminator to have a closer look. Wasps and hornets pack a very nasty sting that you'll not soon forget. Article 9159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: canola oil mineral oil/mites Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 20:47:51 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 60 Message-ID: <33E3D537.B6187B92@valley.net> References: <19970802145401.KAA15115@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-111.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9159 Ahlmon1961 wrote: > I was hoping whomever posted the info regarding the use of mineral oil > and > canola oil might repost so i could apply to my hives. > > Thankyou, > > Alan M. (Minnesota) greetings, well, here in new hanmpshire i am using mineral oil for mite control, following dr. rodriguez' program as follows: i apply a thin strip of food grade mineral oil [sold as a laxative at pharmacies and many grocery stores, also places like k-mart] to the top of every frame in the hive. i'm using an old shampoo bottle, the kind with the pop-up dispenser. since i have to squeeze the bottle gently to ge the oil out, i have excellent control of the dosage. plus, as i move the bottle along the frame, the edge of the cap sort of pushes any bees that are on top of the frame out of the way, so they don't get soaked. [they buzz like mad at the ignominious treatment, but it's for their own good.] with this method, i have very few fatalities from overdosing, usually only a couple of bees per treatment. i end up applying about one ounce of oil per box. dr. rodriguez said on BeeChat that he applies the oil every 8 days or so. i apply it once a week on the weekend, when i do my hive maintenance/inspection. this method is somewhat labor intensive and may not be suitable for individuals with a lot of hives, especially if you have a lot os supers on, as you have to treat every frame [requires breaking down the hive and setting it back up when you're done]. but, since i only have one hive, it's not a problem for me. so far, i'm very happy with the results, but successful overwintering will tell the tale. at a beekeeping workshop i recently attended they recommended using paper napkins soaked with vegetable oil, applying 2 napkins on top of the frames of the top brood box every 3 weeks. the bees chew up the napkins and remove them from the hive, spreading the oil in the process. it's a lot less labor intensive, but you run the risk of the oil turning rancid in hot weather, and it depends on the housekeeping habits of your bees whether or not the treatment will be effective. one possible alternative would be to combine the 2 methods and use mineral oil soaked napkins. at least you wouldn't have the potential of rancid oil in the hive. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!gatech!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!goldenapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-2028.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brood on the outer frames Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 13:11:02 -0500 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 49 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <33DFE59A.16F0500E@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-2028.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9160 Hi Bill. Comments interspersed: In article <33DFE59A.16F0500E@valley.net>, bill greenrose wrote: > greetings all, > > unexpectedly, i have found that my queen has laid brood all the way to > the last frame in my bottom deep. i have 4 full and capped frames of > honey on one side [the front], and then a few frames of brood, some more > honey, and the last couple of frames [10 and 11] have mostly eggs and > larvae. > > question: should i rotate those frames to the center of the box now, or > should i wait and see if the bees naturally make the adjustment? Here's my suggestion: Move the "last two" combs (containing eggs/larvae) to the center of the brood chamber, and move the combs of honey to the outside positions, front and back. Sounds like what you were planning anyway. You want the brood in the center, where it will be well-tended and warm, so this will concentrate the brood nest at the center. Next, reverse the positions of the two brood chambers. I presume that all the combs in that (now) upper brood chamber are fully drawn by now. Putting it down on the floor will place the queen's main brood nest at the bottom, with the honey stores (& some brood in center) positioned above. Then as the late sources bloom, the bees can continue filling the top brood-box with honey and pollen for winter/spring stores. Meanwhile the queen has plenty of space to continue laying in the bottom. The colony will be in fine shape for winter with this arrangement. > my guess is that there was so much competition for open cells > [started with foundation] that the queen had to lay eggs where she found > the opportunity. This sometimes happens when there is an intense nectar flow. We have had some new colonies this season, which were just starting to draw their second-brood-chamber foundation, but then filled all the cells with honey as fast as they were being drawn. The queens never got to lay in the new combs up there at all! Some combs are still only half-constructed, but the portion that was drawn is all full and capped! Adjacent to this in the same frames is untouched foundation. Quite an odd sight. Best wishes, Joel Govostes Freeville, NY Article 9161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E430BE.4F79@prostar.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:18:21 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle Reply-To: liggy@prostar.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Okay, well! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.211.144 Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!208.8.204.10!news.prostar.com!208.8.211.144 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9161 So, is everyone so busy extracting honey that they don't post here anymore? Tell me what kind of flow is going on where you're at! Here in Washington, we've got blackberry honey that's just about done, and soon there may be a bonus crop once the hornets get into the plums and pears and blackberries. Dan Article 9162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQs? Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 03:30:04 GMT Organization: Tanglewood Farm Reply-To: vandy@avana.net Message-ID: <33e4a808.2615089@news.avana.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.245.133.174 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.245.133.174 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.avana.net!205.245.133.174 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9162 I have been lurking here for the most part for the last year. i don't have bees at this time but do intend to keep at least 3 hives once some other projects are completed. I am seeing a lot of the same questions asked as new people join this newsgroup. Would it be possible for someone to post a FAQ on a once a month basis? Web sights are great, folks, but not all of us have web access. Please simplify life for us new to this newsgroup. Thank you for reading this post. Vandy Terre vandy@avana.net Georgia, USA Article 9163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.5!news1.infoave.net!usenet From: MALMOND@CTC.NET (MALMOND) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Fables Date: 3 Aug 1997 01:24:35 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5s0mkj$fk8@news1.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-4.r03.nccncr.infoave.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9163 Does anyone have back issues of American Bee Journal? Maybe a couple years back. There was a column by Conrad Burbee that had some fables. I did not subscribe to the ABJ at that time. If someone would be so kind and look these up and email them I would be most appreciative to that someone. I do have one that I would share with that person. Thank you Mark F. Almond Concord, NC malmond@ctc.net Article 9164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brood on the outer frames Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 12:17:32 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 108 Message-ID: <33E4AF1C.BF023C9C@valley.net> References: <33DFE59A.16F0500E@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-125.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: JG in NY X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9164 hi joel, my comments are interspersed with your interspersals. JG in NY wrote: > Hi Bill. Comments interspersed: > > In article <33DFE59A.16F0500E@valley.net>, bill greenrose > wrote: > > > greetings all, > > > > unexpectedly, i have found that my queen has laid brood all the way > to > > the last frame in my bottom deep. [edit] > > > > question: should i rotate those frames to the center of the box > now, or > > should i wait and see if the bees naturally make the adjustment? > > > Here's my suggestion: Move the "last two" combs (containing > eggs/larvae) > to the center of the brood chamber, and move the combs of honey to the > > outside positions, front and back. Sounds like what you were planning > > anyway. [edit] > thanks for the advise! > Next, reverse the positions of the two brood chambers. I presume that > all > the combs in that (now) upper brood chamber are fully drawn by now. > Putting it down on the floor will place the queen's main brood nest at > the > bottom, with the honey stores (& some brood in center) positioned > above. > Then as the late sources bloom, the bees can continue filling the top > brood-box with honey and pollen for winter/spring stores. Meanwhile > the > queen has plenty of space to continue laying in the bottom. The > colony > will be in fine shape for winter with this arrangement. > the second deep is not yet fully drawn. it's only been on the hive for around 2 weeks. as of friday they'd drawn abut 6 of 11 frames [not all fully drawn] with the queen laying on 4 frames. she seems to be making up for lost time, as she's laying heavily on 7 1/2 frames in the first deep as well as in the second. i was surprised at the sheer number of eggs, when i checked the hive. i expect the box will be fully drawn in another couple of weeks, at which time i'll swap it with the first deep. > > my guess is that there was so much competition for open cells > > [started with foundation] that the queen had to lay eggs where she > found > > the opportunity. > > This sometimes happens when there is an intense nectar flow. We have > had > some new colonies this season, which were just starting to draw their > second-brood-chamber foundation, but then filled all the cells with > honey > as fast as they were being drawn. The queens never got to lay in the > new > combs up there at all! Some combs are still only half-constructed, > but > the portion that was drawn is all full and capped! Adjacent to this > in > the same frames is untouched foundation. Quite an odd sight. > that's what some of my frames look like! they get them partially drawn, and then the cells are filled, either with food or with brood, depending on who gets to them first. the bees eventually get back to those frames and draw out the foundation [they did that with the super], but in the meantime it looks kinda weird. guess it's just a combination of new hive with undrawn frames coinciding with a heavy flow [we had a late spring] and a busy queen. i thought her productivity had dropped after the flow was over, but then i started feeding them heavily a little less than 2 weeks ago [they've taken over 4 gallons of syrup], and it almost seems like the abundance of food has kicked her egg laying into high gear. probably just coincidence, though, as she finally has the room to lay. btw, even though i'm feeding them all they can take [and they can take a lot!] i was surprised by how little appeared to have been laid up in the new comb. seems like they're using most if it immediately. either that, or they're spitting it out of a hole in the back of the hive. doesn't bother me to feed them that much, as i take it as a sign of a healthy, hungry hive. if anyone cares to comment on feeding rates for their hives, i'd appreciate knowing, so i can benchmark my hive's consumption rate. thanks, again. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: knospammak@sympatico.ca (K Mak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees In My Garage- Help Please Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 03:15:06 GMT Organization: Sympatico Lines: 30 Message-ID: <33e3f6a9.49935882@news1.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: knospammak@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.206.33 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9165 I have been experiencing a bee problem in my garage. I have noticed every day for about a month now that bees are getting into my garage. I stood outside one day to watch and these bees (bumblebees I think) fly to outside my garage, then land on the ground and enter through the bottom of the garage. They do so only from the bottom left hand side. I have looked all around my house and my neighbours house and there is no nest. I have noticed up to 8 bees at a time buzzing around my garage. There is no nest inside the garage either. Once these bees get into the garage, it is dark and they just end up crawling around on the ground until I open the garage door and they fly away. I think these bees are pretty docile, but I don't want to get stung by accident some day. Is it possible my garage is somehow in the way of their 'flight path'? Is there any way to get rid of them or keep them from hanging around my garage? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------- K Mak Anti-spam: to reply, remove the 'nospam1' from the return emailaddres Article 9166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: canola oil mineral oil/mites Date: 2 Aug 1997 14:54:19 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970802145401.KAA15115@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9166 I was hoping whomever posted the info regarding the use of mineral oil and canola oil might repost so i could apply to my hives. Thankyou, Alan M. (Minnesota) Article 9167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: ktomkin@earthlink.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Jersey Beekeepers Info? Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 19:29:23 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33e4dbdc.32938993@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust101.max36.philadelphia.pa.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9167 Anyone have membership info, schedules of meetings, etc. for the New Jersey Beekeepers organization? Thanks... ken tompkins Article 9168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ais.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket Problem Date: 3 Aug 1997 20:15:58 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 38 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5s2otu$slt$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <01bc9566$f2922c80$aa0deecd@bern> <33D27634.3FDD@Birkey.Com> <33E0FD37.1D8F@hdscorp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9168 I have removed dozens (at least a hundred) of yellow jacket colonies over the past 4 years (as well as hornets, honey bees, and bumble bees). Usually I try for live removal and relocation. (Always for honeybees bumblebees, and for hornets or YJs with an external nest strucutre). If you are not set on a live removal, and I don't recommend you try without the proper equipment and some training, but do want to avoid dumping poison into the ground, I recommend you use a shop vac. Just locate the entrance (if there are two or more, use the largeest one and cover the others (dirt, buckets, whtever...)) and stick the nozzle of the vac into it (turn it on first and do this at sunset). After about 15 minutes or so allow the shop vac to vaccum up some ammonia (a cup or two). You could use a shot of regular insecticide instead but why buy the stuff? Ammonia dissolves the chitinous exoskeleton of the insect and is quite pervasive. (Ammonia breaks down relatively easily and doesn't have the carcinogenic risks that some of the complex petrochemicals do... but still be careful about inhaling any vapors!) (It's also good on stings if applied almost immediately after the event.) Cover the nozzle and let the shop vac sit for a few days before emptying it. If you borrowed the shop vac be sure the contents are dead and emptied before returning it... ;) This will get rid of all/most of the adults. There will still be live brood and many will be ready to hatch, but at this point you could just go in with a shovel and destroy the nest, or simply cover up the entrance. I recommend just doing the latter, since there are almost always a few queens or stragglers in the now decimated nest. Even with gloves and a full bee suit, I almost always take one or two stings taking out ground nesters - then again, I'm out there in the middle of the day and have to contend with returning foragers... If you do nothing but simply vaccum up the adult population, the nest may or may not survive, but if it does, it will be at a lower and possibly tolerable level. And you can always get them again if you need to. E-mail me if you have any specific questions. Incidentally, your desire to avoid dumping posions into the ground is laudable. Too much of that already. Dave T. Article 9169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving a hive Date: 3 Aug 1997 20:52:31 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 56 Message-ID: <5s2r2f$dss$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <33BE5A61.5B62@sprintmail.com> <33DE6677.25BF@concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9169 Select a cool evening. Smoke the entrance of the hive to chase the guards in. If there are a lot of bees sitting outside fanning, it's not that cool an evening. If there are no cool evenings in sight, prepare a day or two before by removing the inner cover (if you use them) and staple screen over the topmost super or hive body. Put the telescoping cover over the screen and do the move a few days later. Assuming you've done this (the screen prep) use the smoker to chase the fanning or lounging workers into the hive. Use screen (cut it before hand) to block the entrance. use a staple gun. Now you can work in peace. (You don't really have to do any of the above but smoke them, but if it's a vicious hive and your "help" is afraid of bees, do yourselves a favor and screen them off. Also, it may not be necessary to screen the top, but I'd hate to see you lose them due to overheating - it might be warm out there... If you used the screen over the uppermost hivebody approach (because it's hot out) take the cover off. The bees should not be able to get out. (You can cool them off easily with a little water if necessary too if it's a long drive.) Now, get one of those ratchet nylon strap pull-downs or use some rope and some good knot tying techniques to tie everything together. Since the bees are screened, you should have little trouble doing this. You can also use "hive staples" but I prefer the nylon straps (about $10 for 4 at home improvement stores). And even with staples you still need to deal with the cover if you are using it. Load the hive into your vehicle. If it's warm out cool them off with some water (spray bottle). Unload the hive at it's new destination. Take the strap/rope/staples off. Put the cover on over the screen if you used a screen. Move the vehicle away. Yank the screen off and walk away quickly - but preserve your dignity. Nothing makes your new neighbors more nervous about a hive than watching the "experts" fleeing in apparent terror... "No maam, bees aren't like wasps at all, the're very gentle..." If the entrance screen does not come off entirely, that's ok. You can get it a few days or a week later... Trust me on this... If you used screen over the hivebodies, remove it when you come back to inspect... Relax, as the man says, and have a [home] brew. Moving bees is no big deal. Just take your time and act deliberately. Usually when I move bees I don't do anything except smoke them and carry them to the truck. But I take some stings too... The pros do this by the hundreds/thousands and can probably give you region-specifc advice, but the main factors YOU'LL need to worry about are temperature and temperment. Good luck, tell us how it works out. And keep those feral bees! My best bees are feral descendents. Some are mean, but that can have advantages too... Dave T. (in PA) Article 9170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!nntp3.crl.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!accesscom.com!news.misty.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need help with home made extractor Date: 3 Aug 1997 21:06:15 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5s2rs7$sti$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <870293893.25922@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9170 My 2 cents... you might consider buying a good used one.... With the mites and all, there's a lot of good equipment out there (avoid galvanized tanks though - you have to coat them every year). As for drills. I have used a very heavy duty 1/2 drill on a small extractor with success. You need to build a frame or otherwise securely mount the drill, however. Also, depending upon the load free RPM of the drill, you may need to adjust the speed on the drill itself (many of them have little dials built around the trigger for this.) Plug the drill into a socket that has its own on/off switch and use that for activation. If you are really going to build one, I recommend you go with gear reduction or a multiple belt driven set-up -- with guards around the belts. Maybe you could use bicycle power (seriously). Great, now you've got ME thinking about doing the same thing!!! - Dave T. Article 9171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping In the NEWSpapers Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:17:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708031419212336@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 112 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9171 The main news print interest in beekeeping the last few weeks has been a movie you all have at least seen if not heard about. But the 31 of July produced a hit from the Sacramento Bee (California newspaper). I provide this link but warn all that if you believe everything you read your brains will turn to mush and this article has more then its share of brain farts from people who are in the employ of our government or university system that speak with less then candor when it comes to passing facts. ttul, the OLd Drone http://www.sacbee.com/news/beetoday/newsroom/scene/073197/scene01.html *some quotes for those who can't make the connection: I think all that bigger stuff is God's way of warning you the facts have been stretched or left out. The sting: As mites from China invade, honeybee keepers make a beeline to keep the colonies together By David Barton Bee Staff Writer (Published July 31, 1997) Through the netting over his face, through a cloud of bees and the smoke that he has used to make them docile, Silas Barker sees what he's after: a wooden frame of honeycomb. In it, each small wax cell holds a sweet cylinder of honey, the fruit of his -- and about 50,000 bees' -- labor. Silas, 10, isn't just making honey. In one of nature's most remarkable processes, Silas and his bees are helping to pollenate the neighborhood's fruit and vegetable plants. His little corner of Sacramento's Curtis Park area is producing vegetables and fruit in part because of what he's doing. He's also helping to keep a species alive. North American honeybees, Apis mellifera, are disappearing. That is, the hives of wild (or feral) honeybees, where all bees once lived, are all but gone. An infestation of varroa mites from China, which hit the United States at the turn of the decade, has all but wiped out the feral North American honeybee, which lacks the behavioral defenses of its Chinese cousin. ----- The wild colonies that used to nest in trees and under the eaves of houses, evoking awe and mild panic, have become so rare as to be a negligible part of the honeybee population. "It's really a crisis," says Nancy Stewart, co-owner of Sacramento Beekeeping Supplies at 21st and X streets in Sacramento. "The feral colonies are doomed," says Dr. Eric Mussen, a UC-Davis Extention apiculturalist. "We'll never get back to the numbers of colonies we once had." Nowadays, the bees that thrive are in beehives tended by commercial beekeepers and amateurs like Silas. Because they can be treated with insecticides of different kinds (vegetable oil, menthol and a pesticide called Apistan are popular with beekeepers), domestic honeybee colonies are the only ones that have a chance against the varroa mite. In fact, the increasingly rare feral colonies are now a problem because they tend to harbor the mites, sheltering them from the eradication techniques used in domestic colonies, which they can then invade. Still, the number of bees out there is enormous. Mussen estimates that there are some 550,000 commercial bee colonies in California alone. In the United States, he estimates there are 2.6 million commercial colonies. Each colony can hold as many as 50,000 bees. ------ Keeping as many bees alive as possible is important, for they have great commercial value. Beyond California's $18 million honey industry, bees are estimated to play a role in about half of California's $19 billion agricultural industry. Bees are in great demand for commercial crops that need to be pollenated, so most commercial beekeepers move their bees all over the United States. This movement of bee colonies serves to pollenate crops and feed the bees, but it is also a reason the varroa mite spread so quickly across the country. "There are no commercial beekeepers who don't move their bees six times a year," says Mussen. "Even if it's from here to the Dakotas or just to the Sierra, it's a move. Moving depends on what they want to do with their bees. It's to keep them fed, to make more honey and for commercial crop pollenation." The last use makes California the No. 1 destination for bees. The big score for a commercial beekeeper is to land a contract pollenating California's bee-dependent almond-growing industry. "Most of the beekeepers try to find someplace where they can go to almonds," says Mussen, noting that almonds must be pollenated by bees, while there are alternate ways of pollenating many other crops. "They get close to $40 a colony, and the almond growers want two colonies per acre. There are about 420,000 acres of almonds in bloom, so we need over 800,000 colonies, but we have only about 550,000. So colonies come in from Nevada, Texas, the Dakotas." In late January and early February, there are nearly 1 million honey bee colonies in California. With about 2.6 million colonies in the entire country, that means that a third of the nation's bee population comes to California for almond pollenation. check out the whole story... --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The summer comes with flower and bee,-- Article 9172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vaora Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 14:54:23 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-102-65.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9172 Zvika peer wrote: > Question : > What can I do regarding the Varoa problem ? > Where can I buy Mavrik ? > Thanks zvika > zvika@artcomp.com You can buy it at most any store that sells farm chemicles, but why risk killing your bees with it, or have it found in your honey when you can use Minural Oil and do the same job? ttul, Andy- Article 9174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "John W Richards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeKeeping in Oklahomama Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:54:49 -0500 Organization: JohnR Ink Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5s329t$2t9@argentina.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust80.max4.dallas.tx.ms.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9174 We are considering starting up with beekeeping. Are there any associations in OK that we can contact. John and Melanie johnwr@earthlink.net -- Trust no one!!! Article 9175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!rice!uw-beaver!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-2028.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vote on Best Beekeeping Book (was Re: Anyone Recomend a Good Beekeeping Book?) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 12:49:26 -0500 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 11 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <33D4CADD.72CC@Eng.Sun.COM> <33DCEF35.590@nospam.East.Sun.COM> <5rn65g$mn0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-2028.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9175 HONEY BY THE TON, by Oliver Field, of Berkshire, UK > Follow-up. > Look forward to your opinions. > Adam > -- > _________________ > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ednas7@aol.com (EdnaS7) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How Do You Can Honey? Date: 4 Aug 1997 03:48:44 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9176 Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars or can I use regular clean jars? ednas7@aol.com Article 9177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some beekeepers can't spell worth a darn! Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 23:21:02 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <33E574CD.6A4E930B@calwest.net> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-102-202.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9177 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > Zvika peer wrote: > > > Question : > > What can I do regarding the Varoa problem ? > > Where can I buy Mavrik ? > > Thanks zvika > > zvika@artcomp.com > > You can buy it at most any store that sells farm chemicles, but why > risk > killing your bees with it, or have it found in your honey when you can > > use Minural Oil and do the same job? sp_mineral oil, or as this OLd Drone knows it best as MO, from day's gone by when as a child I was forced fed this stuff once a month to regulate my clock or something... During WW II, (the big one), MO became hard to get as it had war time uses and I was introduced to a ill tasking substitute made from a plant called cascara. This one was so harsh that one would do his best not to swallow it and head for the bath room to upchuck it as fast as you could run. It was brown colored and came in brown glass gallon jugs and was reported to have a chocolate flavor, it was years before I could enjoy anything with a chocolate flavor. ttul, the OLd Drone Article 9178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics,sci.aeronautics.airliners,sci.aeronautics.simulation,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.answers,sci.anthropology,sci.anthropology.paleo,sci.aquaria,sci.archaeology,sci.archaeology.mesoamerican,sci.archaeology.moderated,sci.astro,sci.astro.amateur,sci.astro.fits,sci.astro.hubble,sci.astro.planetarium,sci.astro.research Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!rdd From: Lipo Wang Subject: PAKDD-98: Second Call for Papers Message-ID: Sender: rdd@netcom12.netcom.com Organization: School of Computing & Math, Deakin University Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:46:01 GMT Approved: aeronautics@wilbur.pr.erau.edu Lines: 158 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.aeronautics:10909 sci.aeronautics.airliners:9076 sci.aeronautics.simulation:547 sci.agriculture:20903 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9178 sci.agriculture.fruit:995 sci.agriculture.poultry:3147 sci.agriculture.ratites:909 sci.answers:6863 sci.anthropology:34403 sci.anthropology.paleo:20827 sci.aquaria:27402 sci.archaeology:70810 sci.archaeology.mesoamerican:7124 sci.archaeology.moderated:1251 sci.astro:179124 sci.astro.amateur:107223 sci.astro.fits:1285 sci.astro.hubble:3862 sci.astro.planetarium:5334 sci.astro.research:2292 ====================================================================== C A L L F O R P A P E R S ====================================================================== The Second Pacific-Asia Conference on Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining (PAKDD-98) ---------------------------------------------- Melbourne Convention Centre, Melbourne, Australia ================================================= 15-17 April 1998 Home Page: http://www.sd.monash.edu.au/pakdd-98 Invited Speakers: Jiawei Han (ACSys Keynote Speaker, Simon Fraser University) Chris Wallace (Monash University) The Second Pacific-Asia Conference on Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining (PAKDD-98) will provide an international forum for the sharing of original research results and practical development experiences among researchers and application developers from different KDD related areas such as machine learning, databases, statistics, knowledge acquisition, data visualization, software re-engineering, and knowledge-based systems. It will follow the success of PAKDD-97 held in Singapore in 1997 by bringing together participants from universities, industry and government. Papers on all aspects of knowledge discovery and data mining are welcome. Areas of interest include, but are not limited to: - Data and Dimensionality Reduction - Data Mining Algorithms and Tools - Data Mining and Data Warehousing - Data Mining on the Internet - Data Mining Metrics - Data Preprocessing and Postprocessing - Data and Knowledge Visualization - Deduction and Induction in KDD - Discretisation of Continuous Data - Distributed Data Mining - KDD Framework and Process - Knowledge Representation and Acquisition in KDD - Knowledge Reuse and Role of Domain Knowledge - Knowledge Acquisition in Software Re-Engineering and Software Information Systems - Induction of Rules and Decision Trees - Management Issues in KDD - Machine Learning, Statistical and Visualization Aspects of KDD (including Neural Networks, Rough Set Theory and Inductive Logic Programming) - Mining in-the-large vs Mining in-the-small - Noise Handling - Security and Privacy Issues in KDD - Successful/Innovative KDD Applications in Science, Government, Business and Industry. Both research and applications papers are solicited. All submitted papers will be reviewed on the basis of technical quality, relevance to KDD, significance, and clarity. Accepted papers will be published in the conference proceedings by Springer-Verlag (in the Lecture Notes in Artificial Intelligence series). A selected number of the accepted papers will be expanded and revised for inclusion in a special issue of an international journal. All submissions should be limited to a maximum of 5,000 words. Four hardcopies should be forwarded to the following address. Professor Ramamohanarao Kotagiri (PAKDD '98) Department of Computer Science The University of Melbourne Parkville, VIC 3052 Australia Please include a cover page containing the title, authors (names, postal and email addresses), a 200-word abstract and up to 5 keywords. This cover page must accompany the paper. *************** I m p o r t a n t D a t e s *************** * 4 copies of full papers received by: October 16, 1997 * * acceptance notices: December 22, 1997 * * final camera-readies due by: January 30, 1998 * ************************************************************* Conference Chairs: ================== Ross Quinlan Sydney University Bala Srinivasan Monash University Program Chairs: =============== Xindong Wu Monash University Ramamohanarao Kotagiri Melbourne University Organising Committee Co-Chairs: =============================== Kevin Korb Monash University Graham Williams CSIRO, Australia PAKDD-98 Publicity Chair: ========================= Lipo Wang Deakin University PAKDD-98 Tutorial Chair: ======================== Jon Oliver Monash University PAKDD-98 Treasurer: =================== Michelle Riseley Monash University Program Committee: ================== Grigoris Antoniou James Boyce Ivan Bratko Mike Cameron-Jones Arbee Chen David Cheung Vic Ciesielski Honghua Dai John Debenham Olivier de Vel Tharam Dillon Guozhu Dong Peter Eklund Usama Fayyad Matjaz Gams Yike Guo David Hand Evan Harris David Heckerman David Kemp Masaru Kitsuregawa Kevin Korb Hingyan Lee Jae-Kyu Lee Deyi Li T.Y. Lin Bing Liu Huan Liu Zhi-Qiang Liu Hongjun Lu Dickson Lukose Kia Makki Heikki Mannila Peter Milne Shinichi Morishita Hiroshi Motoda Hwee-Leng Ong Jon Oliver Maria Orlowska G.Piatetsky-Shapiro Niki Pissinou Peter Ross Claude Sammut S. Seshadri Hayri Sever Arun Sharma Heinz Schmidt Evangelos Simoudis Atsuhiro Takasu Takao Terano B. Thuraisingham Kai Ming Ting David Urpani R. Uthurusamy Lipo Wang Geoff Webb Graham Williams Beat Wuthrich Xin Yao John Zeleznikow Diancheng Zhang Ming Zhao Zijian Zheng Ning Zhong Justin Zobel Further Information =================== Dr Xindong Wu Department of Software Development Monash University 900 Dandenong Road Caulfield East, Melbourne 3145 Australia Phone: +61 3 9903 1025 Fax: +61 3 9903 1077 Email: Xindong.Wu@fcit.monash.edu.au Article 9179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Minnesota honey Date: 4 Aug 1997 15:41:03 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: <19970804154100.LAA24260@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9179 Doing well here. Still sweet clover, napweed, various wild flowers. Basswood has passed and probably have about 3 weeks to a month before goldenrod. Have at least two colonies with 5 mediums and rest between 2 and 4. We had a really wet and poressively muggy july and bess did not like that at all. Swarm in mid july it came back due to clipped queen she could not leave with them. I expect about 2 or 3 supers of comb honey besides the 60 plus gallons I'll spin out of the three big colonies. I'm having sucess with dark Italian, carniolan, and Buckfast bees. If you,ve never tried B. Weaver Apiaries out of Texas for Queens, I suggest their All American Queens. They build up super fast and lay a really tight brood pattern. Try their website. Perhaps you might like to try some Minnesota backwoods "Local Honey". Drop me a note and I'll send you a bear. All the best, Alan M. Article 9180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket Problem Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:30:44 GMT Organization: Tanglewood Farm Reply-To: vandy@avana.net Message-ID: <33f4d5c5.10223629@news.avana.net> References: <01bc9566$f2922c80$aa0deecd@bern> <33D27634.3FDD@Birkey.Com> <5r43jh$eis$1@news.istar.ca> <33e1a1b7.21330618@news.avana.net> <33D8BDE5.6B20620B@m.cc.utah.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.245.133.197 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.245.133.197 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.avana.net!205.245.133.197 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9180 On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:53:25 -0600, Lin Richardson wrote: >Yeah! And ease up on those pesky roaches while you're at it! Hate to >see wrongful extinction just waiting to happen... As long as the roaches stay out in the woods, they are welcome. In my home or barns they are not welcome and will find poison bait or become chicken dinners. Vandy Terre vandy@avana.net Georgia, USA Article 9181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E63926.1369@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:18:46 -0400 From: "Philip M. Hempel" Reply-To: bigun@ibm.net Organization: Communications Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping in Oklahomama References: <5s329t$2t9@argentina.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.105.214 Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.105.214 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9181 John W Richards wrote: > > We are considering starting up with beekeeping. Are there any associations > in OK that we can contact. > > John and Melanie > johnwr@earthlink.net > > -- > Trust no one!!! The national association of the American Beekeeping Federation is well worth the membership fee of $25.00 a year. Write to the A.B.F. at P.O. Box 998 Jesup, GA. 31598-0998 PMH Article 9182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.ti.com!news.itg.ti.com!usenet From: Dan Parker Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.environment.waste,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.edu,sci.environment,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,rec.gardens.orchids,rec.gardens.roses,sci.econ,alt.earth,alt.earth.snow Subject: Re: Grow More Food - 50% Less Water Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:08:49 -0500 Organization: Sterling Software, Inc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <33E5E271.702B@sterling.com> References: <33E1429E.AF19B4AA@terawet.com> Reply-To: Dan_Parker@sterling.com NNTP-Posting-Host: danp.itg.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:20906 sci.environment.waste:92 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9182 sci.agriculture.fruit:996 sci.agriculture.poultry:3153 sci.agriculture.ratites:912 sci.edu:17401 sci.environment:138303 rec.gardens:213374 rec.gardens.edible:973 rec.gardens.orchids:15336 rec.gardens.roses:46119 sci.econ:73730 alt.earth:146 alt.earth.snow:59 Daniel Golden wrote: > > A breakthrough "State of the Art" co-polymer has been developed by The > Terawet Corporation as a soil amendment for agricultural and > horticultural applications. When applied to the soils of the world, > TERAWET crystals will significantly INCREASE CROP YIELD, and DECREASE > WATER CONSUMPTION by at least 50% and REDUCE FERTILIZERS by 33%. A > single application into the root-zone will remain actively effective for > a period of 7-10 years, making TERAWET extremely cost effective. > Detailed information may be viewed at http://www.terawet.com Well, at least he's not making any sensationalist claims about his product ;-) -- -- "If food is the body of good living, wine is its soul" -- -- Clifton Fadiman, American editor and writer. -- 1904-? -- Article 9183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQs? Date: 4 Aug 1997 22:03:35 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 45 Message-ID: <5s5jjn$l81$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <33e4a808.2615089@news.avana.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9183 In article <33e4a808.2615089@news.avana.net>, Vandy Terre wrote: >I am seeing a lot of the same questions asked as new people join this >newsgroup. Would it be possible for someone to post a FAQ on a once a >month basis? Web sights are great, folks, but not all of us have web >access. Please simplify life for us new to this newsgroup. Thank you >for reading this post. Vandy, you can check out many FAQ files at http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees We don't have a typically Usenet FAQ per se: just because there are so many different ways to keep bees and so many different beekeepers from all over the worlds--the best specific FAQ file you can obtain is to browse what's available, and then write one yourself addressing the questions you feel are frequently asked--people have done this. Traditionally beekeepers have relied on beekeeping books when their teachers and mentors have been unavailable. Currently there is a thread going on now here in sci.agriculture.beekeeping regarding beekeeping books--I'll post a summary of the responses at the end of the month-- so far I've received responses from about six people. When I worked for a state agency promoting beekeeping and now as a graduate student in Apiculture for a land grant university, the recommendation for starting out in beekeeping is to contact your area's agricultural agent and find out if there are any governmental resources available for beekeeping. From here, you'll find more local contacts where you will actually get to work with bees and experience them hands on. There are many good beekeepers on the internet who will gladly share their experience and expertise--feel free to introduce yourself and ask questions, people are busy but also understand that they too were once beginners. good luck, Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: David Childers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Empty Supers Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:40:28 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33E65A5B.ECAB414A@roanoke.infi.net> Reply-To: dchild@roanoke.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-139.roanoke.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9184 I have had bees for a number of years and am thinking about buying a small extractor for this years crop. After you have extracted the honey, what do you do to store the supers? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. David Article 9185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:51:31 -0600 From: humphrys@edc.org Subject: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <870716617.12777@dejanews.com> Reply-To: humphrys@edc.org Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: humphrys@edc.org X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 04 17:43:39 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 155.38.5.131 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Authenticated-Sender: humphrys@edc.org Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9185 I was wondering whether there's any evidence that having honeybees reduces the local populations of less desirable insects, such as wasps, yellow jackets, or hornets. This would be similar to planting ground cover to "crowd out" weeds. If this is the case, suburban beekeepers might find it easier to "sell" their neighbors on the benefits of keeping bees. Does anyone know if there is any research on this subject? Thanks in advance, Michael Humphrys Wellesley, Mass, USA -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees forage on ripe grapes Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 02:51:00 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5s6480$a98$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <5rgjua$e16$1@nntp.pe.net> <33E0D971.E61@envirolink.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9186 I >I have seen this in the UK at this time of year with rotten apples lying >on the >ground under the trees: wasps and bees feeding on the fruit. Often the >apples >are fermenting with a distinct alcholic smell but it doesn't seem to put >them >off. Sometimes they even seem to be drunk, finding difficulty in taking >off or >flying in a straight line! > >Malcolm. > Cool. I am in Southern California where the temperature today was 112 degrees fahrenheit. My bees are in the shade in a clearing in my bamboo grove. There is not much of this activity now at all, but thanks alot for the reply and for the UK info. Article 9187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Buzzd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help ! Date: 5 Aug 1997 03:56:15 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bca153$55626300$4f45b5cf@apapp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cal-ab4-15.netcom.ca X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 04 10:56:15 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9187 I'm new to beekeeping started this year learning the art from a master of 30+yrs. Together we have 83 hives 22 nucs. We are in southern Alberta close to Calgary, the hives are surrounded by canola. We just completed our first extraction averageing 85 lbs per hive. The problem is some farmers decided to spray their canola with something and the plane was flying all day sunday and monday i didn't find out til monday. By the looks of things 2/3 of our bees are dead. Who can i turn to, what can i do. Please send any info to: apapp@ix.netcom.com THANKS Peace Article 9188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nova3000@aol.com (NOVA3000) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help for beginner Date: 5 Aug 1997 04:16:49 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9188 hi everyone . thanks for taking the time to read this message. I am interested in starting up with bee keeping. Could someone please point me in the right direction to start. Are there any books or anything that you would recomend that are helpfull? any help will be appreciated. Thanks alot, Travis Article 9189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.sprintisp.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!news@sprintmail.com From: hbowles@sprintmail.com.nospam (Howard Bowles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some beekeepers can't spell worth a darn! Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 00:55:24 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: <33e679d9.106306725@nntp.a001.sprintmail.com> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> <33E574CD.6A4E930B@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ts-005watacop12.dialsprint.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9189 On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 23:21:02 -0700, Andy Nachbaur wrote: >Andy Nachbaur wrote: > >> Zvika peer wrote: >> Snip > sp_mineral oil, or as this OLd Drone knows it best as MO, from >day's gone by when as a child I was forced fed this stuff once a month >to regulate my clock or something... During WW II, (the big one), MO >became hard to get as it had war time uses and I was introduced to a >ill tasking substitute made from a plant called cascara. This one was >so harsh that one would do his best not to swallow it and head for the >bath room to upchuck it as fast as you could run. It was brown colored >and came in brown glass gallon jugs and was reported to have a chocolate >flavor, it was years before I could enjoy anything with a chocolate >flavor. > >ttul, the OLd Drone > > Interesting to note. Here in the Puget Sound region hhe Cascara tree blooms in June and July and bees love it. First time I saw one I thought I heard a swarm in the tree. Took a closer look and sure enough there were enough bees to be a swarm but they were working the blooms. Never tried the honey from such a hive...may have marketing appeal. Howard _________________________________________________ To reply remove the ".nospam" from the address Article 9190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some beekeepers can't spell worth a darn! Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:42:14 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 59 Message-ID: <33E676E6.1C1EEEE0@valley.net> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> <33E574CD.6A4E930B@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-118.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9190 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > sp_mineral oil, or as this OLd Drone knows it best as MO, from > day's gone by when as a child I was forced fed this stuff once a month > > to regulate my clock or something... During WW II, (the big one), MO > became hard to get as it had war time uses and I was introduced to a > ill tasking substitute made from a plant called cascara. This one was > > so harsh that one would do his best not to swallow it and head for the > > bath room to upchuck it as fast as you could run. [edit] hi andy, be grateful you only had to take it once a month. years ago, i worked for a botanical supply company, and one of our products was 'extract of cascara sagrada.' it was used as the active ingredient in a number of 'natural' laxatives. the more purified version of the product that we made was a deep red color. anyway, i ran the quality control lab and one day i got a call from a doctor, inquiring about cascara sagrada extract. seems he had a patient, a woman, who was bright red. literally. as in all over her body. otherwise, she was perfectly healthy. her condition had the doctor stumped, until he explored her dietary habits. seemed she took a tablespoonful of a natural extract every night, before she went to bed, to keep herself regular. for 25 years. every night. what was the active ingredient? you guessed it. it turned out that the natural pigments in the cascara sagrada were absorbed by the adipose tissue [fat cells] in her body. over 25 years they just kept accumulating, until the fat cells under her skin turned bright red, turning her, of course, bright red. he told me she looked like a ripe tomato. since it happened so gradually, over a period of years, she never noticed it, until someone pointed it out to her. the reason he told me about her was because most toxicity studies involve short term, high dosing [as in the LD50 for rats, or the concentration at which a chemical kills 50% of the rat test population], and it's not often you get a long term, low dose data point. human at that. as for the woman, her doctor took her off the laxative [which must have hurt pretty bad, after being on it for 25 years. maybe he put her on mineral oil?], and the color was slowly fading, as her body began to work it out of her system. however, he figured that it would take years, before she only looked like she had a touch of sunburn. well, that had nothing to do with bees, but i thought you might find it interesting. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vaora Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:35:24 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 22 Message-ID: <33E6E5CC.2961@nt.com> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9191 Zvika peer wrote: > > Question : > What can I do regarding the Varoa problem ? > Where can I buy Mavrik ? > Thanks zvika > zvika@artcomp.com If you can get a 'proper' remedy like Apistan or Bayvoral do yourself and other beekeepers a favour and use that. Do this either after removing or before adding honey supers to avoid any possibility of contaminating the honey. Some people use homeopathic remedies with varying success but if you plan to use hard chemicals use the one for the purpose, it may be a tad more expensive but it's safer for both you and your bees! -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cascara Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 22:52:48 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 60 Message-ID: <33E6BFB0.107E3C57@calwest.net> References: <01bc9d87$eefc7700$76fe5ac2@zvika.artcomp.com> <33E4FE0F.41FA8ADA@calwest.net> <33E574CD.6A4E930B@calwest.net> <33e679d9.106306725@nntp.a001.sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n3-102-184.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B3A9D424C5D8670B7D8A346D" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9192 --------------B3A9D424C5D8670B7D8A346D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard Bowles wrote: > On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 23:21:02 -0700, Andy Nachbaur > Interesting to note. Here in the Puget Sound region hhe Cascara tree > blooms in June and July and bees love it. First time I saw one I > thought I heard a swarm in the tree. Took a closer look and sure > enough there were enough bees to be a swarm but they were working the > blooms. Never tried the honey from such a hive...may have marketing > appeal. On the coast of Central California the Cascara also blooms in late June. It is more a large bush then a tree and is worked heavy by the honeybees and others. It seldom is found in large enough quantity to produce any surplus honey and what if any that is made is mixed with that of other wildflower flows such as Wild Buckwheat or the Toyon bloom. Because of the dry cycle's we have experienced here the last few decades few bees are now left on the coast to test these late flows from the minor plants that can produce a interesting honey crop every five years or so... As beekeepers find themselves dependent on agriculture for income from pollination so their hives seem to become more dependent on irrigated crops for fodder. ttul, Andy- --------------B3A9D424C5D8670B7D8A346D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard Bowles wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 23:21:02 -0700, Andy Nachbaur
Interesting to note.  Here in the Puget Sound region hhe Cascara tree
blooms in June and July and bees love it.  First time I saw one I
thought I heard a swarm in the tree.  Took a closer look and sure
enough there were enough bees to be a swarm but they were working the
blooms.  Never tried the honey from such a hive...may have marketing
appeal.
On the coast of Central California the Cascara also blooms in late June. It is more a large bush then a tree and is worked heavy by the honeybees and others. It seldom is found in large enough quantity to produce any surplus honey and what if any that is made is mixed with that of other wildflower flows such as Wild Buckwheat or the Toyon bloom. Because of the dry cycle's we have experienced here the last few decades few bees are now left on the coast to test these late flows from the minor plants that can produce a interesting honey crop every five years or so...  As beekeepers find themselves dependent on agriculture for income from pollination so their hives seem to become more dependent on irrigated crops for fodder.

ttul, Andy- --------------B3A9D424C5D8670B7D8A346D-- Article 9193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? Date: Mon, 04 Aug 97 09:39:10 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <17BC087C0S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9193 In article <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> ednas7@aol.com (EdnaS7) writes: > >Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars or can >I use regular clean jars? >ednas7@aol.com I run my jars through the dishwasher first. They aren't sterile, but they are clean. Article 9194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!158.152.1.94!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:29:58 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> <17BC087C0S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9194 >I run my jars through the dishwasher first. They aren't sterile, but >they are clean. Ditto. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:38:49 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33E6E699.B85@nt.com> References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9195 EdnaS7 wrote: > > Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars or can > I use regular clean jars? > ednas7@aol.com If you're planning on selling honey to others you can't be too careful. I ither run the jars through a hot cycle in a domestic dishwasher or wash by hand in VERY HOT water. When I say VERY HOT water I mean so hat that you can't put your hand in it unless protected by a heavy rubber/plastic glove. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Minnesota honey Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:48:40 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 29 Message-ID: <33E6E8E8.27A6@nt.com> References: <19970804154100.LAA24260@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9196 Ahlmon1961 wrote: > > Doing well here. Still sweet clover, napweed, various wild flowers. > Basswood has passed and probably have about 3 weeks to a month before > goldenrod. Have at least two colonies with 5 mediums and rest between 2 > and 4. We had a really wet and poressively muggy july and bess did not > like that at all. Swarm in mid july it came back due to clipped queen she > could not leave with them. I expect about 2 or 3 supers of comb honey > besides the 60 plus gallons I'll spin out of the three big colonies. snip... > All the best, > > Alan M. You seem to have done well. Here in the UK our season is all but over, we had a long wet period through May and June but July was OK. I've got 5 hives but one of these was a small swarm I collected and won't produce a surplus this year. I harvested 127 lbs of rape honey in early May and it looks as though I'll get 70 to 80 lbs in the next week or so then it wil be varroa treatment time and feeding for the winter. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help for beginner Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:25:04 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9197 In article <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com>, NOVA3000 writes >hi everyone . thanks for taking the time to read this message. I am >interested in starting up with bee keeping. Could someone please point me >in the right direction to start. Are there any books or anything that you >would recomend that are helpfull? any help will be appreciated. 1) Join a beekeepers' association and pick every brain you find. 2) Try to get some practical experience with other beekeepers' colonies. 3) Read (see recent postings on this newsgroup for titles). 4) Read some more (Ted Hooper's Guide to Bees and Honey). 5) If you have any spare time, reading is quite a good idea. 6) Start with a swarm - here in the U.K. you can usually get a good one in the spring from an experienced beekeeper for the price of his petrol money. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dncmccloud@aol.com (DncMcCloud) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super Storage During Apistan Medication? Date: 5 Aug 1997 13:42:57 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970805134201.JAA06316@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9198 I collected honey from my five colonies in early July and put the supers back on. Now that it is getting to be medication time, I was wondering what one does with the supers. They have already half way filled some of them. I would like to keep the medication out of them. How do you store the supers until the medication period for Apistan (45 days) is over? I do not have a refrigerator large enough for the 10 supers to be store in. All the colonies have 2 full of honey brood boxes, so winter honey supply is not critical. Article 9199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.tela.com!usenet From: Joseph W Walz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Educational Pricing Date: 5 Aug 1997 13:39:30 GMT Organization: Unique Software Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5s7aei$lv8@wolf.tela.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unique-216-40.unique-software.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9199 Please forgive me for this e-mail, but I felt I just had to let more people know about this and get in on the ground floor! Microsoft Educational Price Software Students and Faculty Members Only (ID or Fee Statement Req) Microsoft Office Pro 97 $179.95 Visual Basic 5.0 $99.00 Visual C++ $99.00 Visual Studio $229.00 Memory 16 MB 72-Pin $58 32 MB 72-Pin $139 Don't miss this opportunity, email me for more details. (webmaster@ unique-software.com) Thanks Article 9200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!not-for-mail From: moser@ils.unc.edu (Robin M. Shapiro) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help for beginner Date: 6 Aug 1997 02:58:30 GMT Organization: Information & Library Science, UNC-CH Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5s8p8m$l45$1@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu> References: <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ruby.ils.unc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9200 : writes : >hi everyone . thanks for taking the time to read this message. I am : >interested in starting up with bee keeping. Could someone please point me : >in the right direction to start. Are there any books or anything that you : >would recomend that are helpfull? any help will be appreciated. If you're in the USA, call your county's Agricultural Extension Office. The extension agents should be able to tell you about beekeepers' associations in your area, and should also have informaton on local conditions -- which plants are good nectar sources for your region, when your nectar flows occur, and maybe which local beekeepers would be willing to show you the ropes. Again, in the US, I like to read _Gleanings in Bee Culture_, which is a magazine with lots of articles and columns on all aspects of beekeeping. Best of luck! Robin Robin M. Shapiro | "Our memories are card-indexes consulted, | and then put back in disorder by moser@ils.unc.edu | authorities whom we do not control." | -- Cyril Connolly Article 9201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 19:16:37 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 35 Message-ID: <33E7C264.FB2FB892@hotmail.com> References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> <33E6E699.B85@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-45.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9201 Adrian Kyte wrote: > EdnaS7 wrote: > > > > Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars > or can > > I use regular clean jars? > If you're planning on selling honey to others you can't be too > careful. > I ither run the jars through a hot cycle in a domestic dishwasher or > wash by hand in VERY HOT water. When I say VERY HOT water I mean so > hat > that you can't put your hand in it unless protected by a heavy > rubber/plastic glove. Not a bad idea. While cleanliness in food preparation (esp. when food is prepared for sale) is vital, one may keep in mind that honey is unlikely to spoil or become contaminated by microbes even if conditions are less than perfectly sterile. Being a supersaturated sugar solution, very few microbes can exist, much less thrive and multiply, in honey. High concentrations of sugar are used in preserving fruits and vegetables for this very reason, and you won't find a much higher concentration than what's in honey. -Drox BTW don't ever keep honey in a refrigerator or it will crystallize. You can reheat crystallized honey gently (in a microwave oven or over hot water - no direct heat) to get the crystals back into solution. If you do this promptly there's no problem, but if crystallized honey is left that way a long time it may spoil. With much of the sugar crystallized, the remaining liquid portion may not be sufficiently concentrated to inhibit the growth of bacteria. Article 9202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!easynet-uk!knews.uk0.vbc.net!vbcnet-gb!news.enta.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard Hill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Writer seeks views Date: 6 Aug 1997 00:21:05 GMT Organization: NEWSplus... Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bca1fd$d20a00c0$8824cfc2@newsplus> NNTP-Posting-Host: warp7.47.enta.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9202 Hi. My name is Richard Hill. I'm a freelance writer and journalist in the UK. I am currently researching an article for an international apiculture magazine about apiculture resources on the internet. I would be delighted to hear from anyone who regularly uses this newsgroup, or any of the apiculture websites and resources available on the internet. Please e-mail me, and many thanks in anticipation. Kindest regards, Richard -- Richard Hill - Writer and Journalist NEWSplus... A member of the national Union of Journalists e-mail: richard@newsplus.enta.net URL: http://www.newsplus.enta.net Article 9203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E7FC75.18F5@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:24:21 -0700 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.214.228 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.214.228 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9203 EdnaS7 wrote: > > Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars or can > I use regular clean jars? > ednas7@aol.com I have always read that honey is anti microbial. Microbes cann't grow in it. We wash our jars in a dishwasher with the water at the hotest the heater will go. It is about 180. This is required to wash the working area and tools. The state inspector is satisfied that containers are washed in hot water and a little bleech for the containers that do not fit in the washer. There are a few books on canning with honey using honey as the preservative. I can't recall the titles but I saw them in a Scaramento, CA library. Best of luck Al Welk Article 9204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33E7FD38.5BB4@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:27:36 -0700 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super Storage During Apistan Medication? References: <19970805134201.JAA06316@ladder02.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.214.228 Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.214.228 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9204 DncMcCloud wrote: > > I collected honey from my five colonies in early July and put the supers > back on. Now that it is getting to be medication time, I was wondering > what one does with the supers. They have already half way filled some of > them. I would like to keep the medication out of them. How do you store > the supers until the medication period for Apistan (45 days) is over? I > do not have a refrigerator large enough for the 10 supers to be store in. > All the colonies have 2 full of honey brood boxes, so winter honey supply > is not critical. I would hold off t Article 9205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:37:07 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 54 Message-ID: <33E7D542.EEFE61B1@valley.net> References: <870716617.12777@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-137.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9205 humphrys@edc.org wrote: > I was wondering whether there's any evidence that having honeybees > reduces the local populations of less desirable insects, such as > wasps, yellow jackets, or hornets. This would be similar to > planting ground cover to "crowd out" weeds. > > If this is the case, suburban beekeepers might find it easier to > "sell" their neighbors on the benefits of keeping bees. > > Does anyone know if there is any research on this subject? > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael Humphrys > Wellesley, Mass, USA > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News > ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet greetings, don't know what the scientific evidence suggests, but my personal observation is that honeybees, bumblebees, wasps, yellow jackets and assorted other flying critters co-habit very nicely. i've seen all of them working the same trees on my property at the same time, and i have nests of just about all of the 'wild' versions relatively nearby, as well. the only time i've seen my honeybees take on wasps and yellow jackets is when they try to enter the hive [i've seen this twice so far this summer]. then, it's a real free-for-all as the honeybees swarm all over the invaders. 5 or 6 of them will take on a wasp, rolling around on the landing platform. every time the wasp [or yellow jacket] shakes them off and tries to escape, they just pile right back on. usually, the invaders end up dead; rarely do they manage to escape. the bees may take a casualty or two, but they never give up. i don't know how well they'd fare against a whole swarm of wasps [my guess is that they'd still kick butt], but when one or two try to take them on, the wasps invariably end up the losers. the shear determination of the honeybees just endears them to me all the more. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.147.154.58!HiWAAY.net!not-for-mail From: "Bobby R Fanning" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need bee removal contract ideas. Date: 6 Aug 1997 05:06:35 GMT Organization: Almer's Apiary Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bca225$efdda020$1e9393d0@K4VB.HiWAAY.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.147.147.30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9206 We have a young man (age 14) in our association who is getting in the business of removing bees from walls. He needs a copy of a contract / agreement to be signed by the beekeeper and the home owner. Anyone who can furnish copies of the one you use would be appreciated. Bob Fanning Madison County Beekeepers Association Huntsville, AL k4vb@hiwaay.net Article 9207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.147.154.58!HiWAAY.net!not-for-mail From: "Bobby R Fanning" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need bee removal contract ideas. Date: 6 Aug 1997 05:10:01 GMT Organization: Almer's Apiary Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bca226$6aa9c860$1e9393d0@K4VB.HiWAAY.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.147.147.30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9207 We have a young man (age 14) in our association who is getting in the business of removing bees from walls. He needs a copy of a contract / agreement to be signed by the beekeeper and the home owner. Anyone who can furnish copies of the one you use would be appreciated. Bob Fanning Madison County Beekeepers Association Huntsville, AL k4vb@hiwaay.net Article 9208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chalkbrood mummies in pollen traps Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:45:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708052246272359@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 91 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9208 *Ripped off the BEE-List because you are interested? ---------------------------------------- SS>From: Stan Sandler >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 01:06:26 -0300 >Subject: chalkbrood mummies in pollen traps Hello Stan, If you got it and want to pass it on collecting pollen from hives with chalk brood is 100% effective. It is possible to clean all the mummies out of the pollen but that pollen will still pass the disease on to any hives you feed it to. I was at one time a collector of bee pollen and packed it in 30# cans and sold it for $1.00 per pound to other beekeepers to feed bees. This was before chalk brood was common. I sold and gave much away to research institutions for medical and bee research. It was tested for all kinds of cures from growing hair on bald men, (it did not work), to its effects on brain cancers, (it would never work on beekeepers, but it also did not work on humans), in the end it was found to be a fair food for bees which was my first guess when I collected my first drawer full. As the business grew I soon was asked to supply the USDA Bee Research people, this was good, but I soon was signing all kinds of legal documents, such as I was a citizen, the pollen was produced by my bees in the US, I hired all who asked, and was not a current member of the boy scouts or any communist party. This was all OK but then the USDA went through its anal modernization and I was soon sending the pollen to one address, the bill to another, and from a third address would appear a check on the US Treasury with no identification, sometimes six months later. It got so bad that I to this day know I was not paid for one years shipments, and had to raise the price to $2 or $3 to make up for the extra work. The USDA decided that they could buy the pollen cheeper and did so, no big loss to me as I could sell all I could produce...heck I was selling it to the Arabs and Jews until one of their wars broke out. The problem was the USDA broke the laws or circumcised them by buying their bee feed pollen from outside of the United States, and got a good deal on pollen that was dried and ground up, including 15% by weight chalk brood mummies. This was not found out until the pollen was used by the majority of the USDA Bee Labs that were feeding bees, and much USDA research was then done on chalk brood after all their bees came done with it without any prompting by the bee industry. In all the years and tons of pollen I sold to others I never knowingly trapped or shipped any pollen from hives or with chalk brood mummies in it. I have seen what others were doing and have seen chalk brood mummies cleaned out of pollen by the five gallon buckets. (It is relished by chickens.) IMHO, anyone who feeds pollen from hives other then his own is taking a unnecessary risk as all these stories about pollen making diets more attractive are just that. If you want to make your bee diet more attractive to bees the easiest way is to increase the sugar. The more sugar the faster they will eat it. Sugar syrup alone will stimulate brood rearing but not sustain it without protein. Most beekeepers are more interested in increasing brood rearing and many times bees fed sugar syrup will collect pollen they would not have without the feed as pollen income alone will not stimulate brood rearing anytime or even the collection of it. The nectar is the key that starts the engine and the pollen sustains it. Food grade yeasts can substitute pollen if they are blended and made into a patty with sugar. The addition of TM will also increase brood rearing over just sugar syrup and should be added to all bee diets, syrup and protein. Invert sugar is better on the bees as they don't use themselves up inverting it. HFC syrup is better when it is cheeper because it is inverted and cheeper. Beekeepers should group together to buy sugar and stay away from sugar pimps as they will sell you junk sugar and you could trade your bees for a few cents savings. Small beekeepers can do everything that big beekeepers can by using fondant sugar (DRIVERT) and do not have to have access to fancy liquid sugars. Drivert can be used mixed 50 lbs to 100 lbs or more granulated sugar and the results will be an economical inverted sugar that can be fed dry, liquefied, or used in making patties. What was the question anyway? ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, Article 9209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.147.154.58!HiWAAY.net!not-for-mail From: "Bobby R Fanning" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help for beginner Date: 6 Aug 1997 05:36:37 GMT Organization: Almer's Apiary Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bca22a$21bea680$1e9393d0@K4VB.HiWAAY.net> References: <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.147.147.30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9209 Hi Travis, The best source of relay good information I have found is a video tape by Dr. Keith Deleplane of the University of Ga. It has 8 - 30 min programs that start with building equipment and ends with honey harvest and medication. It is called "A Year in The Life of an Apiary" cost $59. If you are interested, I will send you the address for UGA. Bob Fanning Huntsville, AL k4vb@hiwaay.net NOVA3000 wrote in article <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > hi everyone . thanks for taking the time to read this message. I am > interested in starting up with bee keeping. Could someone please point me > in the right direction to start. Are there any books or anything that you > would recomend that are helpfull? any help will be appreciated. > > > Thanks alot, > > Travis > Article 9210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:06:57 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33E83EB1.B06@nt.com> References: <01bca153$55626300$4f45b5cf@apapp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9210 Buzzd wrote: > > I'm new to beekeeping started this year learning the art from a master of > 30+yrs. Together we have 83 hives 22 nucs. We are in southern Alberta close > to Calgary, the hives are surrounded by canola. We just completed our first > extraction averageing 85 lbs per hive. The problem is some farmers decided > to spray their canola with something and the plane was flying all day > sunday and monday i didn't find out til monday. By the looks of things 2/3 > of our bees are dead. Who can i turn to, what can i do. Please send any > info to: > > apapp@ix.netcom.com > THANKS Peace Canola seems to be, or at least closely related to, what I know as oilseed rape. If this is the case the crop is usually spayed to kill a pollen weevil which reduces yield. Bee 'freindly' versions of the spray are available [here in the UK anyway] but are more expensive. I'm lucky in that the farm where I have my apiary only use bee 'freindly' sprays and tell me in advance when they will spray. In the UK you can claim compensation from the operator/owner if your bees are killed as a result of spraying and the farmer SHOULD inform beekeepers that he will be spraying. Don't know if anything similar applies where you are though. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: striker978@aol.com (Striker978) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what insect pollenates a hardshell gourd? Date: 7 Aug 1997 00:56:34 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19970807005600.UAA10039@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9211 What insect pollenates a hardshell gourd? Need A.S.A.P. Article 9212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: "David Kilburn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Call to all apiarists, looking for machine to make smoke Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:44:48 -0400 Organization: Sympatico Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5sbcrc$h41$1@news2symp> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.203.220 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9212 I've got a terrible bat problem at my cottage (several hundred in the roof) and need something to get them out before I try to plug the many holes in the log cabin. I thought that the apparatus that bee-keepers use to make smoke would be just about perfect. Any thoughts on how to make such a gizmo easily would be most appreciated as would info on buying/renting such a smoker in the Montreal, Quebec area. Thanks in advance David david.kilburn@sympatico.ca Article 9213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NC Beekeeping Associations???? Date: 7 Aug 1997 12:16:43 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <19970807121601.IAA12954@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9213 Joseph North Carolina is full of beekeepers and associations. Raleigh is especially good because of the strong faculty at NC State. They have several experts in residence there headed by Dr. John Ambrose. Come on down you will love it. Randy > I am thinking of moving to NC in 1998---I hope, I hope, I hope. >I was wondering if there are any beekeeping associations in the >Raleigh/Durum area? thanks, Joseph > > Article 9214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Call to all apiarists, looking for machine to make smoke Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:45:33 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33E98B2D.27E2@Birkey.Com> References: <5sbcrc$h41$1@news2symp> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-137.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: David Kilburn Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9214 David Kilburn wrote: > > I've got a terrible bat problem at my cottage (several hundred in the roof) > and need something to get them out before I try to plug the many holes in > the log cabin. I thought that the apparatus that bee-keepers use to make > smoke would be just about perfect. Any thoughts on how to make such a gizmo > easily would be most appreciated as would info on buying/renting such a > smoker in the Montreal, Quebec area. > Thanks in advance > > David > david.kilburn@sympatico.ca David - For $20 US dollars, buy one! I can't see how one could make one and spend less than $20 of time in making it. Any beekeeping supplier will have them. Start by looking at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/besuply.html for a list of suppliers. Regards -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 9215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews1 From: tim@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vote on Best Beekeeping Book (was Re: Anyone Recomend a Good Beekeeping Book?) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:09:08 GMT Organization: none Lines: 13 Message-ID: <33e920c9.16731660@snews2.zippo.com> References: <33D4CADD.72CC@Eng.Sun.COM> <33DCEF35.590@nospam.East.Sun.COM> <5rn65g$mn0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9215 On 30 Jul 1997 10:48:16 GMT, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article , >Alyn W. Ashworth wrote: >and then everyone can point others to the file: "Best Beekeeping Book" > >Follow-up. >Look forward to your opinions. >Adam I vote for the "Well padded checkBOOK" :) tim Article 9216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews1 From: tim@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Supers Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:09:10 GMT Organization: none Lines: 18 Message-ID: <33ef3925.22967992@snews2.zippo.com> References: <33E65A5B.ECAB414A@roanoke.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9216 On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:40:28 -0400, David Childers wrote: >I have had bees for a number of years and am thinking about buying a >small extractor for this years crop. After you have extracted the >honey, what do you do to store the supers? >Any advice would be greatly appreciated. >David First i let the bees clean up any leftovers. Then keep em dry. Seperate out the ones with brood comb as they will likly be hit with wax moth larva and its easier to inspect knowing which ones to look at when theres time. They should be stacked or stored in such a way that mice and critters dont make a total mess of the comb. Some prefer to stack em on end or side so as to be exposed to the light(not sun) as a hoped for deterant to wax moths, but screened aginst mice. I just stack em normal on wood palletes with fine screen top and bottom and plywood to keep the rain off. For just a few ,a garage or out building would be fine keeping them closed to the critters. As they will attract some bugs the house isnt a good place. Article 9217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews1 From: tim@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, well! Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:09:09 GMT Organization: none Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33ea253d.17871757@snews2.zippo.com> References: <33E430BE.4F79@prostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9217 On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:18:21 -0800, Dan Kiehnle wrote: >So, is everyone so busy extracting honey that they don't post here >anymore? Tell me what kind of flow is going on where you're at! Here in >Washington, we've got blackberry honey that's just about done, and soon >there may be a bonus crop once the hornets get into the plums and pears >and blackberries. > >Dan Oregon; got so dissapointed in the early flo and aidetracked by this computer junk that i havent been in the hives for 2 months. Likly be some.Verry likly be little as compaired to last 2 years. tim Article 9218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33EA5DED.147F@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:44:45 -0700 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? References: <870716617.12777@dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.223.212 Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.223.212 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9218 humphrys@edc.org wrote: > > I was wondering whether there's any evidence that having honeybees > reduces the local populations of less desirable insects, such as > wasps, yellow jackets, or hornets. This would be similar to > planting ground cover to "crowd out" weeds. > > If this is the case, suburban beekeepers might find it easier to > "sell" their neighbors on the benefits of keeping bees. > > Does anyone know if there is any research on this subject? > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael Humphrys > Wellesley, Mass, USA > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I don't think that other Flying insects care about the honey bees. WE had a very bad year last year with yellow jackets in one of the bee yards that I work. With 45 hives right there the Yellow jackets didn't care the least. Article 9219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: marnu@aol.com (Marnu) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need bee removal contract ideas. Date: 7 Aug 1997 21:26:11 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19970807212601.RAA14368@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bca226$6aa9c860$1e9393d0@K4VB.HiWAAY.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9219 >We have a young man (age 14) in our association who is getting in the >business of removing bees from walls. He needs a copy of a contract / >agreement to be signed by the beekeeper and the home owner. Anyone who >can furnish copies of the one you use would be appreciated. I recall that American Bee Journal ran an article (a 2 parter maybe) about removing bees from buildings that included a generic contract for that work. It might be worth a search of back issues or a call to them to get hold of that. Article 9220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: k.t.jackson@juno.com (Todd Jackson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tennessee Beekeeping Associations Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 21:56:58 GMT Organization: Twin Oaks Farm Lines: 3 Message-ID: <33ea4436.23727877@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.180.138.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 7 Aug 1997 21:57:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9220 Are there any beekeeping associations in southeast Tennessee???? I want to start beekeeping and as a begineer would like to have a good point of contact. Article 9221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "xylem and phloem" Subject: Information on Beekeeping Laws Message-ID: <01bca37a$93351b40$c01b2399@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:39:35 -0700 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!upnetnews01!upnetnews04 Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9221 I would be most grateful if anyone could point me in the direction of information of good web sites, books, publications, etc. geared toward the novice beekeepers. Thank you most kindly. Article 9254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.sprintisp.com!nntp.sprintmail.com!news@sprintmail.com From: Edward Flicek Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Treating with Apistan strips Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 22:37:27 -0500 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: kboukg@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ts-007mnminnp03.dialsprint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI304B01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9254 I have read two conflicting ideas about treating with Apistan. One article says to use two strips of apistan for the whole hive, another says to use two strips per brood boxes, making a grand total of six per hive. Whats the correct method? Thanks, Ed Flicek Article 9255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Andy Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: 10 Aug 1997 04:51:34 GMT Organization: Piechowski Home page Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bca548$700c1680$ea702399@piechowski> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust106.max29.chicago.il.ms.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9255 In our operation we only use 2 per hive. We do not want to over treat so that mites become resistant. Edward Flicek wrote in article <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com>... > I have read two conflicting ideas about treating with Apistan. One > article says to use two strips of apistan for the whole hive, another > says to use two strips per brood boxes, making a grand total of six per > hive. > Whats the correct method? > > > Thanks, > > Ed Flicek > Article 9256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Andy Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying bee's Date: 10 Aug 1997 03:20:14 GMT Organization: Piechowski Home page Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bca53b$af87d720$ea702399@piechowski> References: <5sib58$jm9$1@newsd-102.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: rungun305@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust106.max29.chicago.il.ms.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9256 Also Check out *Heitkams Honey Bees - Orland CA - 916-865-9562 *May's Honey Farm - Havard IL - 815-943-4849 *Binford Weaver Apiaries - Navasota TX - 409-825-7351 If you need any other state please feel free to contact me. d128@webtv.net wrote in article <5sib58$jm9$1@newsd-102.bryant.webtv.net>... > Can any one tell me where I can buy bees through the mail. > > thank you. > Article 9257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Andy Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Bees Date: 10 Aug 1997 03:14:08 GMT Organization: Piechowski Home page Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bca53a$d5082be0$ea702399@piechowski> References: <19970809193100.PAA03617@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust106.max29.chicago.il.ms.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9257 Most bees do not come from Georgia. Bees come from where ever . KBear8920 wrote in article <19970809193100.PAA03617@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > Subscribe to Bee Culture and or American Bee journal to see many sources > for purchasing bees. Most bees come from South Georgia. > Good luck from > Keith in Georgia > Article 9258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco or similar frames Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 02:14:35 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <33ed2398.4741290@news.wn.com.au> References: <33d37c17.13370612@news.wn.com.au> <01bca4e9$75fbc220$aa692399@piechowski> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp30.wn.com.au Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nac!news.kcdata.com!dhcp30.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9258 On 9 Aug 1997 17:31:39 GMT, "Andy Kettlewell" wrote: >Although it is a united States company Mann Lake LTD. Might have them. >Check out the site @ http://www.mannlakeltd.com Thanks Andy, Several sci.ag.bee contributors have contacted me and I have found a New Zealand distributor. Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Batavia Coast, Western Australia http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Distributor of BiData Beekeeping Software Article 9259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 07:02:29 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 24 Message-ID: <33ED6785.28B@Birkey.Com> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-110.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: kboukg@sprintmail.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9259 Edward Flicek wrote: > > I have read two conflicting ideas about treating with Apistan. One > article says to use two strips of apistan for the whole hive, another > says to use two strips per brood boxes, making a grand total of six per > hive. > Whats the correct method? > > Thanks, > > Ed Flicek Hi Ed - Neither one! "Use one strip for each 5 combs of bees or less in each brood chamber. Hang the strips within two combs of the edge of the bee cluster." -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 9260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.168.4.227!newsfeed.cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:43:15 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bca5bc$8ddae960$LocalHost@default> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> <01bca548$700c1680$ea702399@piechowski> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25-flameback-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9260 Andy Kettlewell wrote in article <01bca548$700c1680$ea702399@piechowski>... > In our operation we only use 2 per hive. We do not want to over treat so > that mites become resistant. I would think that **under** treatment would be more likely to cause resistance! -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site; http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Article 9261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder under brood to prevent swarm Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:43:16 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bca5bd$7b34ef80$LocalHost@default> References: <871132754.24264.0.nnrp-2.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> <33EC99BE.736D@alaska.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25-flameback-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9261 > mike@cognant.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > Does anyone have any experience of using a queen excluder under the brrod > > box as a means of preventing a swarm? Would the idea work? Are there > > any adverse consequences? I don't think this is a very good method. There is a book called "Swarming, it control and prevention" by Snelgrove which explains most of the practical methods. You will get it from the library. -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site; http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Article 9262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Andy Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder under brood to prevent swarm Date: 10 Aug 1997 19:40:30 GMT Organization: Piechowski Home page Lines: 29 Message-ID: <01bca5c4$9f4e1980$f4692399@piechowski> References: <871132754.24264.0.nnrp-2.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust116.max15.chicago.il.ms.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9262 If you read some back messages you would read that one person had th ehive swarm as soon as he took that excluder on the bottom off when the person came to inspect the hive. mike@cognant.demon.co.uk wrote in article <871132754.24264.0.nnrp-2.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk>... > Hi > > A friend of mine has kept bees very responsibly in his garden for several > years without problems. Some of his neighbours have just realised that > he has these bees and are complaining that they may get stung. He is > very keen to avoid any swarms right now to give the neighbours time to > become calmer. > > Does anyone have any experience of using a queen excluder under the brrod > box as a means of preventing a swarm? Would the idea work? Are there > any adverse consequences? > > Regards, > > Mike Rowbottom > Harrogate > North Yorkshire > > UK > > Article 9263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Bees Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:18:11 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online [Usenet News Server for Hire] Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5sld4n$mkd@news.paonline.com> References: <19970809193100.PAA03617@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bca53a$d5082be0$ea702399@piechowski> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip2-dialup02.surf-ici.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!news.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9263 In article <01bca53a$d5082be0$ea702399@piechowski>, "Andy Kettlewell" wrote: >Most bees do not come from Georgia. Bees come from where ever >.. >KBear8920 wrote in article ><19970809193100.PAA03617@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >> Subscribe to Bee Culture and or American Bee journal to see many sources >> for purchasing bees. Most bees come from South Georgia. > >> Good luck >from >> Keith in Georgia >> And just for geez whiz: ABJ (217)847-3324. Or you may call Kelley in Clarkson Ky and they sell the subscriptions. As for BC, I'm allowing my subscription to lapse. By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. All incoming unsolicited commercial traffic will therefore be billed at a rate of $500 per msg to compensate for loss of service. Article 9264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:44:12 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <33ee5011.31720221@news.earthlink.net> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> <01bca548$700c1680$ea702399@piechowski> <01bca5bc$8ddae960$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip186.dallas2.tx.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9264 > >Andy Kettlewell wrote: >> In our operation we only use 2 per hive. We do not want to over treat so >> that mites become resistant. And "Harry Goudie" responded: > >I would think that **under** treatment would be more likely to cause >resistance! >-- >Harry >Scotland Harry, An over-dosage of a pesticide generally accelarates resistance more than undertreatment does because the selection pressure is greater. For instance, a dosage that leaves only 0.1% of a population to breed leaves only the most tolarant genetics. A treatment that leaves 1% or more should have a much slower selection for resistance because less resistant genetics dilute the resistance trait. There was a good writing in American Bee Journal on this about a year ago. Regards, John Caldeira Dallas, Texas Article 9265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News1.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!News1.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: mike white Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:14:45 -0700 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <33EE83A5.180B@globalserve.net> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: mwhite@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin2019.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) To: kboukg@sprintmail.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9265 Edward Flicek wrote: > > I have read two conflicting ideas about treating with Apistan. One > article says to use two strips of apistan for the whole hive, another > says to use two strips per brood boxes, making a grand total of six per > hive. > Whats the correct method? > > Thanks, > > Ed Flicek Have you ever thought of treating your bees with Formic acid? I received a brouchure one night at a beekeepers meeting about this method. I am thinking of trying it this fall. Dr. Medhat Nasr in 1994 developed a safe method to apply formic acid to bee colonies in the spring or fall to control Varroa and Tracheal mites. Back then it was a 3 to 6 application method but lately he has come up with a single application. He does state that Formic can be used alternatively with Apistan to control the Varroa mites. Formic acid is not a replacement to the Apistan. However this may help with the problem of bees becoming resistant to treatments. His method involves placing a 8" x 9.6" x 0.5" piece of Tentest (Homosote) board in a Ziplock Vegetable bag (the ones with the holes in them) then soak them in 250 ml per board of 65% Formic acid in a sealed container. After 3 days turn the pad upside down to make sure it gets fully covered. Then after about 2 more days when all the acid is absorbed the boards are ready for use. They are placed on 0.5" spacers on top of the brood chambers and also you will need to space up your top cover about 1". Other notes are day temperatures will need to be between 12 > 25 C; night temperature above 7 C. Application time 15-21 days before or after you put on the honey supers. I'm not sure if would be possible to get a full copy of this method but it may be worth a try. Contact Dr. Medhat Nasr c/o Ontario Beekeepers Association, R.R. #3 Bayfield, Ontario, Canada N0M 1G0. Or also try Doug McRoy c/o Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, 1 Stone Rd. W., 3rd floor, Guelph, Ontario, Canada N1G 4Y2 Tel (519) 826-3595 1-888-466-2372 ext. 63595 -- Article 9266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: REMOVEcdg1@concentric.net (Charles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees to leave? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:34:01 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 50 Message-ID: <5slq6l$ggt@examiner.concentric.net> References: <5sjbdq$te4_001@dialup1.den.amnix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts004d06.alq-nm.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9266 melissaX@Yamnix.com (Melissa) wrote: >We just moved into a different house across town ( Denver ) and there's >apparently a bee or wasp nest in our front hedge, right next to the garage. >( it's a dense evergreen hedge, so we can't actually see the nest to tell what >kind it is, but we keep seeing them flying in & out of the hedge ) >One of them must have somehow gotten into our car the other night because I >leaned into the back seat to get something and got a nasty sting under the back >of my arm. Jennifer pulled out some long thin wiry looking things & some pieces >of what looked like a stinger. Several Benadryls later it got better. >We don't really want to kill the nest of them, we just want them to move out to >somewhere else so they won't bother us again. Jennifer is highly allergic to >stings like that & could have wound up in the emergency room if she had been >stung instead of me. >Any ideas on how to get these fellas to move out without killing them all? >Please remove spam proofing & CC me in email due to propagation problems. >- Melissa ( remove the big X and Y from my spam proofed address to email me ) Melissa: You need to contact a beekeeper in your area. They would be able to ID the bees and if they are honey bees, quote you a price for removing them. You might be able to find a beekeeper by just asking people you know, (my theory is that after asking 6 -8 people, one will either know a beekeeper or be one !) The other approach is to call the local animal control office, or the local fire department as they often keep a listing of beekeepers to handle problems like this. Don't expect the job will be done for free - the beekeeper is providing a service and should charge a fee for that service. Good luck and let us know how this works out ! Charles A beekeeper from Albuqueque, New Mexico - (I remove bees, but Denver is a bit far for a "service call" :-) ) To reply to this post, please remove the word REMOVE from my email address. Article 9267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:39:39 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 65 Message-ID: <33EE6D5B.659ECD4A@valley.net> References: <870716617.12777@dejanews.com> <33EBD581.11AFCE67@m.cc.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-150.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9267 Lin Richardson wrote: > humphrys@edc.org wrote: > > > I was wondering whether there's any evidence that having honeybees > > reduces the local populations of less desirable insects, such as > > wasps, yellow jackets, or hornets. This would be similar to > > planting ground cover to "crowd out" weeds. > > > > If this is the case, suburban beekeepers might find it easier to > > "sell" their neighbors on the benefits of keeping bees. > > > > Does anyone know if there is any research on this subject? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Michael Humphrys > > Wellesley, Mass, USA > > > > Has no one else observed the fact that some of the nastier varieties > of > vespids and yellow jackets feed on other insects? Having honeybee > hives > in the area actually increases the number of other bees, as the > availability of food is increased. Just my observation, no scientific > > research here... > > but it's a nice thought... the "crowding out" theory. > > regards, > Lin > > lin.richardson@m.cc.utah.edu > http://www.cc.utah.edu/~lbr9649 greetings, can't say as i've noticed an increase in other species, but since i've started keeping honeybees, i've become much more aware of what's buzzing and humming around in my yard [and probably has been since long before i set up my hive]. the sheer number of different species of bees and their relatives is truly amazing. and, while i've always been fairly tolerant of the other species with which i co-habit this little plot of land, this year, especially, i've adopted a live-and-let-live policy. as long as i am not directly attacked, i leave everybody alone. wasps and yellow jackets have their place, pollinating as they go about their business, and the ants that live under my hive haul away the dead bees that are removed every day from the hive. gee, i feel like i should go out and hug a tree. ;) bill -- ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!169.197.1.4!news.azstarnet.com!usr7ip39.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:59:57 LOCAL Organization: Starnet Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr7ip39.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9268 In article <9708072322302370@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) >Subject: Varroa mites >Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:21:00 GMT >*ripped off the BEE-List cause I wrote it >Anyway be prepared to see more about the Egyptian bees being found in >those Afro only USDA bee traps that also cost more then a bee hive. >ttul, the OLd Drone ANDY: DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR BEE HIVES ARE MADE FROM, BUT JUSTIN SCHMIDT'S TRAPS (THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AT GIVING ACCURATE MEASURES OF MOVING SWARMS) COST ABOUT THREE TO FOUR DOLLARS EACH. We don't know for sure yet if the smaller "pots" will selectively trap AHB only, but they are being tested ( for the uninformed, this is called research. (The "pinata" traps made from cardboard boxes are not now and never have been an accurate method for surveying swarm movement.) - - - - - - - - - - - - John Edwards - -( I work for the Tucson Bee Lab, but this is my home computer and MY opinions) (He who has eyes, let him see (and READ)). Article 9269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andreas.maurer@amigabee.org.uk (Andreas Maurer) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!andreas.maurer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First AFB Experience Message-ID: <871266965@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:18:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers MSGID: 240:549/15@Beenet d3304187 REPLY: 240:44/0 86b4d58c PID: XP 3.11 Lines: 45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9269 Hello Dave, I am a fifteen-year-old german pupil. So I don't think that my Englisch is quite good (I don't know if there should be an adverb.). I'm reading the international letters, too, because I'm interested in other countries and their bee-keepers. And my English is trained, too. I've read your article, too. And this is my opinion: Fec> This past Saturday, I had the unpleasant and somewaht sad Fec> experience of having to destroy my strongest hive because Fec> they had contracted AFB. This must be a *very* horrible experience. Fec> In almost 20 years of beekeeping Fec> on a very small scale (usually 2-4 hives) I never had any Fec> problem. I've got bees since 1993 (2 hives). Now, I've got 8 hives. Fec> Now along with Apistan and menthol, Terramycin Fec> has become a part of my regimen. I kill the Varroa jacobsoni with "Ameisensaeure" (The acid of ants) and "Milchsaeure" (The acid, which is there, when Milk is old - I can't find a better explaining). The Varroa doesn't become resistent against it and there isn't a lot acid in the honey, if you do so in fall, after getting honey. I have good results, but you have to care that the temperature is not too high, when you use "Ameisensaeure". Beekeepers in Germany don't use Terramycin usually. It doesn't kill the "bacillus larvae", it does only hide the symptoms. So the AFB is still there - but you can't see it. If you forget to use Terramycin, you have got AFB again. In Germany we build "Kunstschwaerme" (Bees without combs). They have to be in a cold room for three days. Then they get new "Bienenkaesten" (the house of the bees) and without (!) combs. They get "Mittelwaende" (a piece of wax in which is the relief of a comb). And then they get sugar-water. Then the veterinar comes to look. When there are no symptons after a few months and when there are not many "bacillus larvae" in the food (Honey or sugar), your hives aren't ill any more. Fec> ... I just burnt up two supers worth along with the ^^^^^^ What does "supers" mean? I'm looking forward to hear about you again. Bye Andreas Maurer --- CrossPoint v3.11 * Origin: Beenet Deutschland (240:549/15) Article 9270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEEKEEPING IN THE NEWSPAP Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708101938062390@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9270 BEEKEEPING IN THE NEWSPAPERS What others are saying about beekeeping The last few weeks several stories have popped up on the approach of the so called KILLER BEES. You and I know that if you are killed by a truck it really does not make much difference as to what breed it was, but with bees its those nasty African bees who are going to get you... I have already posted the story on the "killer" bees coming in to the California & Hawaii sugar dock's, from Hawaii, I guess, that has no history of African bees. Also how the spray job done on them was so bad that the queen may have escaped and a search was on to find her.(BS) Another "story" found in the San Diego, California UNION TRIBUNE, (you must be a member to read this, the good news is it is free). Try this: http://www.uniontrib.com/ Its a short one anyway and little detail is included but I know that the University of California, and the Calif. Dept. of Agriculture has been looking at all bees in the Coachella valley and this story is headlined, KILLER BEES COLONIZE VALLEY....based on two bees captured at random last April and DNA tests just confirmed they were AFRIKANER. I guess they were still working on the OJ tests or something that it takes four months to test two bees? Anyway the article goes on to say this evidence combined with bee "contingents" found near the Salton Sea in September 1995 "indicate the entire Coachella Valley has been colonized" according to his lordship, Cal Kaminskas, a county ass. agriculture commissar. I think this was the same guy who says these "killer" bees are traveling by train, but never explained why they got off half way to the end of the track at the Canadian boarder in Washington state. I translated all this activity in San Diego and Riverside County as being a way out from what has been a very expensive experiment in regulatory process and if continued would cost 100's of millions in state costs and more in lost agriculture production if a real quarantine was put in place as advertised. The science in all this Africian bees stuff is so poor that legally it can not support a real quarantine and all federal Afro bee efforts are soon to be stopped. I wonder just what it takes to wake these people up to the fact that honeybees do not respect political bounders like their keepers... The TEXAS story continues.. I don't know how many counties there are in this great state but now 89 have been quarantined for Africanized honey bees. This story can be found in the LUBBOCK AVALANCHE-JOURNAL, 7-19-97, and is on the web. Use NEWSWORKS and you will find it by searching for Africanized or Killer bees. The meat of this story is that the Africanized bees have moved farther north in Texas then was planned for. Some of the BS (bee science) is this story is way out, TEXAS tails I would guess, like "in the spring the Africanized species divided its hive into as many as 14 units and begins moving. That swarm is often no larger than a softball, Jackson said." or how that "swarms four feed or closer to the ground.....Jackson says, "because the swarm may be Africanized honey bees." Then he continues, "The bees, however, also can go in trees or into the ground as well as in water meters." It was a busy week for the "killer" bees and their tails. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Vereniging tot Bevordering van de Bijenteelt Article 9271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: 11 Aug 1997 08:01:33 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 14 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <5smgst$3sn@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> <33ED6785.28B@Birkey.Com> Reply-To: thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9271 I 'm using Apistan successfuly for about 10 years : always apply 2 strips per colony (approx. 20 frames Simplex). Hugo +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) ALCATEL TELECOM (\ email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 do bee do bee do .... Article 9272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!munnari.OZ.AU!comp.vuw.ac.nz!usenet From: "Apian Technolgy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Larvae Transfer System Date: 11 Aug 1997 03:01:28 GMT Organization: NetLink Wellington, New Zealand. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bca602$38ec7fe0$c45d1bca@internet> NNTP-Posting-Host: marija.ak.netlink.net.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9272 We're Apian Technology. We, at Apian Technology, believe we have the absolute gift to beekeepers world-wide. We have created the simplest and yet the most ingenious way of helping you breed your own high quality Queen bees for your own use or to market to others. Whether you have two hives or you are a professional Queen Breeder, you can now take the opportunity to rear your own Queens and produce your own fresh Royal Jelly. There is no better opportunity today than using the Larvae Transfer System that really works. Visit us on the net http://www.apian.co.nz Article 9273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sendit.nodak.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!altenbur From: altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? Date: 11 Aug 1997 14:14:10 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 39 Message-ID: <5sn6ni$pvp$1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> References: <870716617.12777@dejanews.com> <33EBD581.11AFCE67@m.cc.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9273 Lin Richardson (lin.richardson@m.cc.utah.edu) wrote: : humphrys@edc.org wrote: : > I was wondering whether there's any evidence that having honeybees : > reduces the local populations of less desirable insects, such as : > wasps, yellow jackets, or hornets. This would be similar to : > planting ground cover to "crowd out" weeds. : > : > If this is the case, suburban beekeepers might find it easier to : > "sell" their neighbors on the benefits of keeping bees. : > : > Does anyone know if there is any research on this subject? : > : Has no one else observed the fact that some of the nastier varieties of : vespids and yellow jackets feed on other insects? Having honeybee hives : in the area actually increases the number of other bees, as the : availability of food is increased. Just my observation, no scientific : research here... : but it's a nice thought... the "crowding out" theory. Having a honeybee hive around yellowjackets would provide the yellowjackets with a nice, stable diet. :) Some researchers have noted that yellowjackets don't usually attack an entire hive but may do so when the hive is weakened due to disease. Yellowjackets and hornets (especially those found in Asia) are considered major pests by many beekeepers since they readily prey on bees. If there is any crowding out, I imagine it would be inflicted on the bubble bees and solitary bees (i.e. leafcutters). (Again, no litature to back me up here.) -- Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University Fargo, ND 58105 http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~altenbur All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE Article 9274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Minnesota Honey for sale Date: 11 Aug 1997 16:20:01 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970811162001.MAA20582@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9274 Hi If anyone is interested in some beautiful basswood/clover/wildflower honey email me and I will send you bears, jars, pails etc. Sincerely, alan m. Article 9275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:26:07 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 57 Message-ID: <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-103-29.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9275 J. Edwards wrote: > In article <9708072322302370@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com > (Andy Nachbaur) writes: > >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) > >Subject: Varroa mites > >Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 06:21:00 GMT > > >*ripped off the BEE-List cause I wrote it > >Anyway be prepared to see more about the Egyptian bees being found in > > >those Afro only USDA bee traps that also cost more then a bee hive. > >ttul, the OLd Drone > > ANDY: > DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR BEE HIVES ARE MADE FROM, BUT JUSTIN SCHMIDT'S > TRAPS > (THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AT GIVING ACCURATE MEASURES OF MOVING SWARMS) > COST ABOUT > THREE TO FOUR DOLLARS EACH. > Sorry, John, I was looking at total costs....and giving Afro Bee Trappers a break I thought. > We don't know for sure yet if the smaller "pots" will > selectively trap AHB only, but they are being tested ( for the > uninformed, > this is called research. > Interesting research, but it may be more productive to catch these bees in a standard beehive like those used by beekeepers and do some research on productive management. Or set up these trap lines at the Canadian boarder and save the tax payers some time and big bucks as Afro, TEX-Mex or Egyptian bees are here now and catching them in big or little nucs may be interesting but is not productive other then producing another so called BS paper. I know I am a little harsh but one only has to go back and read the early so called Bee Science papers on the African Bees to know what I am saying. The world has not ended for beekeepers as advertised by the BS community in every paper produced on African or bee pests and in fact new public interest in keeping bees is increasing in the areas of the US that have had good pasture for them. BTW, I don't know anything about your research but I can tell you from experience the smaller the box the higher the labor costs as the boxes will have to be checked more often and the bees will be gone the next day if they are crowded. IMHO,... ttul, Andy- "READING is not a substitute for the experience." Atella the Hunn > (He who has eyes, let him see (and READ)). Article 9276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? Date: 11 Aug 1997 18:22:10 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <19970811182200.OAA28208@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <33EE6D5B.659ECD4A@valley.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9276 In article <33EE6D5B.659ECD4A@valley.net>, bill greenrose writes: >> >> Has no one else observed the fact that some of the nastier varieties >> of >> vespids and yellow jackets feed on other insects? Having honeybee >> hives >> in the area actually increases the number of other bees, as the >> availability of food is increased. Just my observation, no scientific >> Ever consider that the beekeeper is less likely to indiscriminately soak the land with pesticides? Perhaps around an apiary you will notice a greater diversity of all wildlife (and not just skunks and bears). Article 9277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33EF89C3.D447A7AC@corinthian.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:53:07 -0400 From: Ila King Reply-To: iwk@corinthian.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: David Kilburn Subject: Re: Call to all apiarists, looking for machine to make smoke X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <5sbcrc$h41$1@news2symp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.53.82.102 Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!gridnet!207.53.82.102 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9277 David Kilburn wrote: > I've got a terrible bat problem at my cottage (several hundred in the > roof) > and need something to get them out before I try to plug the many holes > in > the log cabin. I thought that the apparatus that bee-keepers use to > make > smoke would be just about perfect. Any thoughts on how to make such a > gizmo > easily would be most appreciated as would info on buying/renting such > a > smoker in the Montreal, Quebec area. > Thanks in advance > > David > david.kilburn@sympatico.ca I have found what works is to put bright lights where the bats are, and after a short time they will leave for a more suitable environ. I used to work for the navy and for their underground magazines, that was what we did, and it is ecologically sound. Article 9278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.45.255.100!coop.net!news.amnix.com!ppp-11 From: melissaX@Yamnix.com (Melissa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attention Denver area Entomology Departments Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 17:42:46 GMT Organization: AMNIX Communications, The Leading Internet Access Provider Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5snium$f98_002@dialup1.den.amnix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-11.dialup1.den.amnix.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9278 Attention Denver area Entomology Departments Someone suggested that the Entomology Department at one of the local colleges might be interested in this. Anyone want to adopt a wasp nest? We have one in the hedge outside the house we just moved to. I was stung the other night by one that somehow got into our car. Jennifer is highly allergic to them and it would be an emergency if she were stung. If you'd like the little guys, please email me & come take them away safely. Otherwise we'll probably have to kill them. - Melissa ( remove the big X and Y from my spam proofed address to email me ) High Priestess, The Universal Planetary Pantheist Temple alt.personals.motss.women, the newsgroup for women-seeking-women: http://www.amnix.com/~melissa/charter.htm http://www.amnix.com/~melissa/melissas.htm http://www.amnix.com/~melissa Article 9279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:54:13 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9279 I was wondering if anyone else has experienced a reluctance in certain colonies to draw comb on this sort of foundation? Two of my five colonies seem to refuse to draw comb while the others are fine with the stuff? I place the super immediately over the uppermost brood chamber at least a month ago and still there always seems to be a few bees walking on it but no drawing action. I would be interested to find out why they do not seem to draw out the foundation? Many thanks, Alan M. Article 9280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:15:25 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 39 Message-ID: <01bca690$31f25dc0$LocalHost@default> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> <01bca548$700c1680$ea702399@piechowski> <01bca5bc$8ddae960$LocalHost@default> <33ee5011.31720221@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p26-kingfisher-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9280 John Caldeira wrote in article <33ee5011.31720221@news.earthlink.net>... > > > > Harry, > An over-dosage of a pesticide generally accelarates resistance more > than undertreatment does because the selection pressure is greater. > For instance, a dosage that leaves only 0.1% of a population to > breed leaves only the most tolarant genetics. A treatment that > leaves 1% or more should have a much slower selection for resistance > because less resistant genetics dilute the resistance trait. There > was a good writing in American Bee Journal on this about a year ago. > > Regards, > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas Hi John, It is perhaps obvious that I am not a geneticist however it seems to me that your argument presupposes that tolerance already exists in the infection which might not be the case. By undertreating such a colony you will only kill the more susceptible mites leaving the more resistant mites to reproduce and develop a resistant population. If there are already resistant mites in the colony then I think you would be wasting your money on Apistan and should try an alternative varroacide. I think I would use the full dose as directed on the instructions until it was obvious that the mites has developed resistance and then think again. I could be wrong though, and can see the logic in your argument. Harry Scotland Article 9281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: Chris Kueny Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:22:05 -0400 Organization: Congaree Wildflower Honey Lines: 73 Message-ID: <33EFD6DC.16BF06D2@concentric.net> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> <33EE83A5.180B@globalserve.net> Reply-To: congaree@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d23.col-sc.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9281 mike white wrote: > Edward Flicek wrote: > > > > I have read two conflicting ideas about treating with Apistan. One > > article says to use two strips of apistan for the whole hive, > another > > says to use two strips per brood boxes, making a grand total of six > per > > hive. > > Whats the correct method? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ed Flicek > Have you ever thought of treating your bees with Formic acid? > I received a brouchure one night at a beekeepers meeting about this > method. I am thinking of trying it this fall. Dr. Medhat Nasr in 1994 > developed a safe method to apply formic acid to bee colonies in the > spring or fall to control Varroa and Tracheal mites. Back then it was > a > 3 to 6 application method but lately he has come up with a single > application. He does state that Formic can be used alternatively with > Apistan to control the Varroa mites. Formic acid is not a replacement > to > the Apistan. However this may help with the problem of bees becoming > resistant to treatments. > His method involves placing a 8" x 9.6" x 0.5" piece of > Tentest > (Homosote) board in a Ziplock Vegetable bag (the ones with the holes > in > them) then soak them in 250 ml per board of 65% Formic acid in a > sealed > container. After 3 days turn the pad upside down to make sure it gets > fully covered. Then after about 2 more days when all the acid is > absorbed the boards are ready for use. They are placed on 0.5" spacers > > on top of the brood chambers and also you will need to space up your > top > cover about 1". Other notes are day temperatures will need to be > between > 12 > 25 C; night temperature above 7 C. Application time 15-21 days > before or after you put on the honey supers. > I'm not sure if would be possible to get a full copy of this > method but > it may be worth a try. > Contact Dr. Medhat Nasr > c/o Ontario Beekeepers Association, > R.R. #3 Bayfield, Ontario, Canada > N0M 1G0. > Or also try > Doug McRoy c/o Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, > 1 Stone Rd. W., 3rd floor, > Guelph, Ontario, Canada > N1G 4Y2 > Tel (519) 826-3595 > 1-888-466-2372 ext. 63595 Formic acid is not registered for use in the US. I agree with Harry, and I believe that the literature does too. If you under-treat (by using too few, by re-using old strips, or by leaving them too long, ie after they are less effective) you begin to select for resistant mites, since not all mites are killed. The progeny are likely to be likewise more resistant, etc. The label instructions say use two strips for each brood chamber. Double brood chambers per hive = 4 strips. > > > > -- Article 9282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33EF81F5.A5@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:19:49 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Andy Kettlewell Subject: Re: Buying Bees References: <19970809193100.PAA03617@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bca53a$d5082be0$ea702399@piechowski> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.78.170 Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.78.170 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9282 Andy FYI.... Although Georgia is the Peach State we don't produce the most peaches. Georgia is the state that produces the most packaged bees. It is subject that GA beekeepers stress to our state legislature. We produce the most bees yet we don't have a state apriculturist in the Dept. of AG. Al Welk Andy Kettlewell wrote: > > Most bees do not come from Georgia. Bees come from where ever > . > KBear8920 wrote in article > <19970809193100.PAA03617@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > > Subscribe to Bee Culture and or American Bee journal to see many sources > > for purchasing bees. Most bees come from South Georgia. > > > Good luck > from > > Keith in Georgia > > Article 9283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:12:37 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <33efd2f7.130781039@news.earthlink.net> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> <01bca548$700c1680$ea702399@piechowski> <01bca5bc$8ddae960$LocalHost@default> <33ee5011.31720221@news.earthlink.net> <01bca690$31f25dc0$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip79.dallas4.tx.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9283 "Harry Goudie" wrote: >John Caldeira wrote in article ><33ee5011.31720221@news.earthlink.net>... >> >> Harry, >> An over-dosage of a pesticide generally accelarates resistance more >> than undertreatment does because the selection pressure is greater. >> For instance, a dosage that leaves only 0.1% of a population to >> breed leaves only the most tolarant genetics. A treatment that >> leaves 1% or more should have a much slower selection for resistance >> because less resistant genetics dilute the resistance trait. There >> was a good writing in American Bee Journal on this about a year ago. >> >> Regards, >> John Caldeira >> Dallas, Texas > >Hi John, >It is perhaps obvious that I am not a geneticist however it seems to me >that your argument presupposes that tolerance already exists in the >infection which might not be the case. By undertreating such a colony you >will only kill the more susceptible mites leaving the more resistant mites >to reproduce and develop a resistant population. If there are already >resistant mites in the colony then I think you would be wasting your money >on Apistan and should try an alternative varroacide. I think I would use >the full dose as directed on the instructions until it was obvious that the >mites has developed resistance and then think again. I could be wrong >though, and can see the logic in your argument. > >Harry >Scotland Harry, I'm not a geneticist either, and agree that the instructions on the label are probably best. Just wanted to pass along what I had read about the possible danger that over-dosage might result in pesticide resistant mites faster than under-dosage. Regards, John Dallas, Texas Article 9284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!140.142.64.3!news.u.washington.edu!root From: David Rosenbaum Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with combining hives and weeding out excess frames Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:01:14 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 77 Message-ID: <33EFD1FA.4429@u.washington.edu> References: <33D4CADD.72CC@Eng.Sun.COM> <33DCEF35.590@nospam.East.Sun.COM> <5rn65g$mn0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <33e920c9.16731660@snews2.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs107-3.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="BEE.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BEE.TXT" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9284 Hi All! I'm a new beekeeper: started with one hive last year, which became 'hopelessly queenless' in the fall and died during the winter (figured out in retrospect) This year I started out with 2 packages and foundation with almost no drawn comb. There were three swarms - 2 on June 20, and one 2 weeks ago: all hived and some hives combined so that I now have: a)one strong hive with 2 hivebodies of brood and stores queen excluder one hivebody of honey two honey supers partially drawn comb and some honey b)one queenless hive with 2 hivebodies with some stores and empty brood nest: no sign of laying worker (yet). This is the hive that swarmed 2 wk ago. queen excluder two honey supers containing some drawn comb and honey stores c)one hivebody and honey super containing a strong colony (from the first swarm) of brood and stores queen excluder honey super containing some drawn comb and a little honey d)one hivebody containing the swarm from 2 weeks ago: 4 frames of capped brood, fresh eggs, larvae. Slim stores. I would very much appreciate advice on how to consolidate hives to help the colonies survive. For example, it would seem to make sense to combine hives b) and d). But how? Would putting hive b) upon d) and separating with a sheet of newspaper work? If I move hive b), will the foragers be lost after leaving the hive (not able to find their way back to the new hive?). After combining, how could I then reduce the size of the combined hive down to two hive bodies instead of three. Etc, etc. As you can see, I'm all questions. Thanks for your suggestions! David Rosenbaum, Bothell, WA (suburb just N. of Seattle) Article 9285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!wetware!dailyplanet.wsrcc.com!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Subject headers causing news reader crashes Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:22:26 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5snsa2$hvs@ednet2.orednet.org> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9285 Unfortunately, the problem message was a commercial spam for a soil additive. The header used the "%" symbol in it. For some reason, a popular news reader can't abide % (maybe it choked on the spam.) If contributors to this group would refrain from including % in their headers and take a moment to edit the % out of any replies to messages which include the symbol - actually, that particular message was off topic and came from a source which doesn't participate in our discussions, life would be much happier for our support folks. We had to go a weekend without checking on everyone's progress. Thanks. -- Article 9286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder under brood to prevent swarm Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:05:09 +0100 Organization: adrem Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <871132754.24264.0.nnrp-2.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk [158.152.205.101] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9286 In article <871132754.24264.0.nnrp-2.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk>, mike@cognant.demon.co.uk writes >Hi > >A friend of mine has kept bees very responsibly in his garden for several >years without problems. Some of his neighbours have just realised that >he has these bees and are complaining that they may get stung. He is >very keen to avoid any swarms right now to give the neighbours time to >become calmer. > >Does anyone have any experience of using a queen excluder under the brrod >box as a means of preventing a swarm? Would the idea work? Are there >any adverse consequences? Mike, At this time of the year the workers will be starting to expel drones from the hive. If you put a queen excluder under the brood area, how are those drones going to get out? My suggestion is to make sure that you go into the Autumn with a young mated queen and make sure that they are never too crowded. -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Article 9287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder under brood to prevent swarm Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:16:52 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 32 Message-ID: <33F03814.B54@nt.com> References: <871132754.24264.0.nnrp-2.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9287 mike@cognant.demon.co.uk wrote: > > Hi > > A friend of mine has kept bees very responsibly in his garden for several > years without problems. Some of his neighbours have just realised that > he has these bees and are complaining that they may get stung. He is > very keen to avoid any swarms right now to give the neighbours time to > become calmer. > > Does anyone have any experience of using a queen excluder under the brrod > box as a means of preventing a swarm? Would the idea work? Are there > any adverse consequences? > > Regards, > > Mike Rowbottom > Harrogate > North Yorkshire > > UK -- I thought drones were too big to get through a QE, nobody else replying has mentioned this so maybe I'm wrong. If I'm right then your freind will end up with a lot of frustrated drones but this may not bee a problem. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!158.152.1.94!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder under brood to prevent swarm Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:57:06 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <871132754.24264.0.nnrp-2.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> <33F03814.B54@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9288 In article <33F03814.B54@nt.com>, Adrian Kyte writes >mike@cognant.demon.co.uk wrote: >> Does anyone have any experience of using a queen excluder under the brrod >> box as a means of preventing a swarm? Would the idea work? Are there >> any adverse consequences? >- >I thought drones were too big to get through a QE, nobody else replying >has mentioned this so maybe I'm wrong. If I'm right then your freind >will end up with a lot of frustrated drones but this may not bee a >problem. My experience in similar situations (for example during colony uniting) is that the drones will try to get through the excluder and end up with their heads stuck! You may end up with lots of dead drones jammed in the QX. This could block up colony ventilation at the very least. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:53:46 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 8 Message-ID: <33f093b6.6765435@news.netside.com> References: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx41p1-51.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9289 I had a terrible time with Pierco brand plastic one-piece frames with foundation. The bees didn't like it, and it broke easily if I used the frame-lifter I use on wooden frames. After several years of trying, I finally gave up on the stuff and threw it away. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 9290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: charlieman@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeycomb Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:35:22 -0400 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5sq3ca$qtl$1@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9290 Hi there...A gentleman has been keeping honeybee-hives on our property for about 10 years now. The honey is super, of course. The arrangement he can keep bees on our property as long sa he wants, free of charge, and we enjoy the benefits in our garden, etc. Every 3 months or so he gives us 5 pounds of honey...(mmmm). This time tho, he gave me two little cakes of HONEYCOMB...the honey is still in them. He said to enjoy same, and we did have a taste. He said DO NOT REFRIGERATE - but OKAY TO FREEZE. So I froze the remainder. Since this man has a strong accent, I have trouble understanding him...hence this question to YOU: HOW LONG CAN HONEYCOMB BE FROZEN? and do have any suggestions for anything else to do with it?? THanks in advance.... Article 9291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.97.16.5!news.monad.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis W. Eaton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Neighbors and beekeeping Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:38:01 -0400 Organization: UNH Cooperative Extension Lines: 8 Message-ID: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> Reply-To: dennis.eaton@unh.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: clar2-pool-7.cyberportal.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9291 Please help me with this one. I am keeping several hives of bees in my yard. Most of my neighbors are happy seeing more bees in the area. One neighbor, four houses down the road has a real hang up with my bees. He says they are getting into his hummingbird feeder and the bees have been found to be gathering on moist parts of his yard. What can I do? How can I educate him about the beneficial aspect of having bees around? Dennis Article 9292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:40:00 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Neighbors and beekeeping References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.108 Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.108 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9292 I find that a brick is a brick. There probably isn't very much you can do about your neighbor. the bees will love his feeder. As for the ones in the wet areas, you could try giving them a water area on your property. I have a tube off one of my garden faucets that lways drips water over some rocks. The bees can come and get a drink when ever they need. Dennis W. Eaton wrote: > > Please help me with this one. I am keeping several hives of bees in my > yard. Most of my neighbors are happy seeing more bees in the area. One > neighbor, four houses down the road has a real hang up with my bees. He > says they are getting into his hummingbird feeder and the bees have been > found to be gathering on moist parts of his yard. > What can I do? How can I educate him about the beneficial aspect of > having bees around? > Dennis Article 9293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.vr1.com!natasha.rmii.com!news1.rmi.net!not-for-mail From: Bob Brown Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: world bee info Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:31:33 -0600 Organization: Sterling-Rice Group Lines: 9 Message-ID: <33F0E444.25E3@srg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.247.188.7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9293 I'm looking for info on the global activity of honeybees in the following countries: the U.S., China, Germany, Mexico and Japan. Does anyone know a good source of information that has tracked the number of hives and/or honey production in these countries, going back maybe 10 years to the present? Thanks in advance. Bob Brown Article 9294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Andy Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Neighbors and beekeeping Date: 12 Aug 1997 21:56:32 GMT Organization: Piechowski Home page Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bca769$f151b600$d1692399@piechowski> References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust81.max15.chicago.il.ms.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9294 First check to see if it legal to have bee where you have them. Because we live in the city, and we wanted to have bees here but we couldn't so they are just on our farms. Second observe to see what he means by gathering at points in his yard. This might just be a flower grove. Dennis W. Eaton wrote in article <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu>... > Please help me with this one. I am keeping several hives of bees in my > yard. Most of my neighbors are happy seeing more bees in the area. One > neighbor, four houses down the road has a real hang up with my bees. He > says they are getting into his hummingbird feeder and the bees have been > found to be gathering on moist parts of his yard. > What can I do? How can I educate him about the beneficial aspect of > having bees around? > Dennis > Article 9295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!knife.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:50:05 -0851 Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). Lines: 28 Message-ID: <32F1B04D.6206@itl.net> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap51-12.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9295 Edward Flicek wrote: > > I have read two conflicting ideas about treating with Apistan. One > article says to use two strips of apistan for the whole hive, another > says to use two strips per brood boxes, making a grand total of six per > hive. > Whats the correct method? > > Thanks, > > Ed Flicek I'm re-posting below, with additions, something I posted a couple of weeks ago: An experiment was conducted recently in Jersey CI whereby several hundred varroa were taken to Luddington and subjected to Bavarol treatment. Bavarol is made with flumethrin (sp?) 100% of the varroa died, thus allaying fears that immunity was developing to this treatment. Jersey was chosen for this experiment as it's the only part of the British Isles where treatment of each hive with Bavarol has been mandatory for four years. It is also the only part without very significant colony losses. 4 strips per hive are inserted for 6 weeks in a specified period after honey extraction and one extraction is made per year. (Each hive is registered) On another matter, experiments are being conducted this year on a few hives using thymol only, three weeks before putting in the Apistan strips. Does anyone have experience of this and its efficacy? Thanks. Morley. Article 9296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:02:53 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 13 Message-ID: <33F0EB9D.7DB2@ix.netcom.com> References: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va5-02.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Aug 12 4:03:46 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9296 Ahlmon1961 wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced a reluctance in certain > colonies to draw comb on this sort of foundation? Two of my five colonies > seem to refuse to draw comb while the others are fine with the stuff? My bees will build burr in large amounts rather than draw out single piece plastic. i just bought enough wood and foundation to replace all of it last night. I will probably never use it again. I placed them early this season and have colonies of mixed frame supers. Wax is drawn and coated plastic ignored. They will, however, build burr on top of it. Thom Bradley Article 9297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:14:44 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <33F0EE64.68F7@ix.netcom.com> References: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va5-22.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Aug 12 4:14:06 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9297 Ahlmon1961 wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced a reluctance in certain > colonies to draw comb on this sort of foundation? Two of my five colonies > seem to refuse to draw comb while the others are fine with the stuff? My bees will build burr in large amounts rather than draw out single piece plastic. i just bought enough wood and foundation to replace all of it last night. I will probably never use it again. I placed them early this season and have colonies of mixed frame supers. Wax is drawn and coated plastic ignored. They will, however, build burr on top of it. Thom Bradley Southside Virginia Article 9299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Neighbors and beekeeping Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:56:17 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5sr0gq$4gt$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lasierra.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9299 I have a tube off one of my garden faucets that always drips >water over some rocks. The bees can come and get a drink when ever they >need. > That is a nice provision for the bees, Mr. Welk. Re: Neighbors and beekeeping drip? Article 9300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees "Crowd Out" Wasps? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:54:20 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <33F12FEC.776C@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <870716617.12777@dejanews.com> <33EBD581.11AFCE67@m.cc.utah.edu> <5sn6ni$pvp$1@daily-planet.nodak.edu> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.133.138 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9300 Karl Altenburg wrote: > > Lin Richardson (lin.richardson@m.cc.utah.edu) wrote: > : humphrys@edc.org wrote: > > : > I was wondering whether there's any evidence that having honeybees > : > reduces the local populations of less desirable insects, such as > : > wasps, yellow jackets, or hornets. This would be similar to > : > planting ground cover to "crowd out" weeds. > : > > : > If this is the case, suburban beekeepers might find it easier to > : > "sell" their neighbors on the benefits of keeping bees. > : > > : > Does anyone know if there is any research on this subject? > : > > > : Has no one else observed the fact that some of the nastier varieties of > : vespids and yellow jackets feed on other insects? Having honeybee hives > : in the area actually increases the number of other bees, as the > : availability of food is increased. Just my observation, no scientific > : research here... > > : but it's a nice thought... the "crowding out" theory. > > Having a honeybee hive around yellowjackets would provide the > yellowjackets with a nice, stable diet. :) > > Some researchers have noted that yellowjackets don't usually attack an > entire hive but may do so when the hive is weakened due to disease. > > Yellowjackets and hornets (especially those found in Asia) are considered > major pests by many beekeepers since they readily prey on bees. If there > is any crowding out, I imagine it would be inflicted on the bubble bees > and solitary bees (i.e. leafcutters). (Again, no litature to back me up > here.) > > -- > Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu > North Dakota State University > Fargo, ND 58105 On Saturday was observing a hive in Eastern Washington. Yellowjackets were milling around in front of the hive just below the entrance board. I thought at first they were raiding the bees but it looked like they were more interested in the ants. Which is okay with me. The bees were busy doing their thing. Pete Article 9301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33F0CEA5.7BB3@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:59:17 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Zealand Larvae Transfer System?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.108 Lines: 5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.108 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9301 Has anyone used this Apian Co.'s Larva Transfer System? I have talked with another keeper about trying to breed our own queens and wonder if this is any good? I'd be interested in any Queen rearing input since we've never done it before. Thanks Al Welk Article 9302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1st PRIZE Beekeeper Page Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:29:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708122109592408@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9302 Oh my gosh with so many very good Beekeepers sites on the internet how can anyone judge them all and come back with a winner without hurting everyone's feeling. Well I have not judged them as it is really an impossible job, but for content I have a WINNER for you all to check out. If you don't want to read more on why set your browser to: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/letters/aixind.htm Surprise, no fancy graphics, but a diary or series of letters from Dr. TOM SANFORD, from the University of Florida, Beekeeping Extension, father of the internet for beekeepers and a teacher, Doctor of Beekeeping Extension via the Internet for sure. Why you ask do I suggest its worth the time to read these 19 letters, because its is a fast way, (maybe an hour for a careful reader) to get a look into what others, beekeepers, educators, bee regulators, and bee scientist's are doing and thinking TODAY in the Mediterranean region. After a few minutes of reading you will be able to relate to what is or has gone on in the US and how other's are dealing with it. All this is from Dr. Sanford's perspective which I believe to be an open minded one, and slanted maybe toward what Florida's beekeepers or southern states beekeepers could be interested in. Read it because you will find reading them a totally enjoyable experience today that may not repeat itself for many years to come in quality or content, but I believe will be read in the future as classic history for beekeepers interested in beekeepers. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any electronic form, or to print for any personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Vereniging tot Bevordering van de Bijenteelt Article 9303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33F11D38.A4B80CDB@corinthian.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:34:32 -0400 From: Ila King Reply-To: iwk@corinthian.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: "Jørn Johanesson" Subject: Re: New test of the hivenotesoftware X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01bca409$f516bbe0$LocalHost@jornjoha> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.53.82.110 Lines: 30 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!gridnet!207.53.82.110 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9303 I really hate to show my ignorance, but I downloaded the software, and can't get it to install. What am I doing wrong? I have tried every destination directory that I can think of, and it is too large to put on floppy disks. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > Hello Beekeeper fellows! > > I have made an Uninstall software for the win31 edition of my Hivenote > > Software. It can also be used to ONE time removal of the expired > information if you need that. > > On my homepage, you will also find an unexpire software for the win95 > edition. > > English, Brazil Portuguese and Finnish manual is also available. > > This is a new offer to test the software and I have put up a fully > testet > new edition of both the win31 and win95 software. > > Best regards Jorn > -- > EDBi = Beekeeping software for Windows 3.1 win95 > e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk > edbi homepage http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo/edbi.htm > Ken Morris homepage http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Article 9304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Crop Progress, 8.11.97 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708130732302417@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 84 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9304 *Information Overload!! I bet you did not know this was available via e-mail from the USDA, subscription information at the bottom. Bee sure and save the instruction as how to get off the list to prevent IO. From: USDA Economic Statistics Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 16:22:48 EDT Subject: Crop Progress, 8.11.97 Crop Progress National Agricultural Statistics Service USDA Washington, D.C. Soybeans: Percent Blooming, Soybeans: Percent Setting Pods, Selected States Selected States -------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- - : Week Ending : : Week Ending : :-----------------------: 1992- :-----------------------: 1992- State:Aug 10,:Aug 3, :Aug 10,: 1996 State:Aug 10,:Aug 3, :Aug 10,: 1996 : 1997 : 1997 : 1996 : Avg. : 1997 : 1997 : 1996 : Avg. -------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- - : Percent : Percent : : AL : 58 51 67 67 AL : 31 22 37 42 AR : 70 51 76 69 AR : 26 12 48 39 GA : 83 70 70 74 GA : 52 41 46 46 IL : 95 91 73 87 IL : 73 40 29 53 IN : 89 79 70 90 IN : 55 32 21 52 IA : 98 95 91 91 IA : 79 58 60 66 KS : 92 86 92 81 KS : 75 40 56 47 KY : 44 32 59 70 KY : 25 12 34 33 LA : 96 91 98 90 LA : 75 66 79 69 MI : 95 68 52 81 MI : 53 22 24 41 MN : 99 93 93 90 MN : 64 36 49 59 MS : 81 75 93 84 MS : 71 42 78 59 MO : 87 72 76 74 MO : 54 29 40 42 NE : 99 93 96 91 NE : 67 40 49 51 NC : 48 32 51 54 NC : 20 15 28 27 OH : 94 89 71 91 OH : 60 38 14 53 SC : 69 46 62 59 SC : 32 20 34 28 SD : 93 80 86 77 SD : 72 50 52 48 TN : 52 40 73 72 TN : 25 16 36 36 : : 19 Sts: 89 81 80 84 19 Sts: 62 38 42 52 -------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- - The next Crop Progress report will be released at 4 P.M. ET on August 18, 1997. To file a complaint, write the Secretary of Agriculture, USDA, Washington, D.C. 20250, or call 1-800-245-6340 (voice) or 202-720-1127 (TDD). USDA is an equal employment opportunity employer. SUBSCRIBE TODAY!! For your convenience, there are several ways to obtain NASS reports, data products, and services: INTERNET ACCESS All NASS reports are available free of charge on the worldwide Internet. For access, connect to the Internet and go to the NASS Home Page at: http://www.usda.gov/nass/. Select "Today's Reports" or Publications and then Reports by Calendar or Publications and then Search, by Title or Subject. E-MAIL SUBSCRIPTION All NASS reports are available by subscription free of charge direct to your e-mail address. Send an e-mail message to: usda-reports@usda.mannlib.cornell.edu. In the body of the message type the word: list. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ þ Invalid user. Hit user to continue. Article 9305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AHB thead Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:07:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708130732302420@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9305 *stolen off the BEE-List, of interest to all. ---------------------------------------- From: Garth Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:17:54 GMT+0200 Subject: AHB thead Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Hi all I see a lot of reasonably strange feelings about the AHB expressed here. The egyptian honeybee is an afican honey bee which genetically is very very similarr to the AHB's of the est of africa. People talk about low yields from AHB hives and the absconding problem. I have a friend who kept well bred AHB in Zimmbabwe and fequently took eight supers of her best hiivees during the spring flow and a further four later in the yearr. That is not a bad yield. (shallows though) Also the stray swarm from Hawaii? AHB in Hawaii? AHB also are superior in theiir ability to build up and aree superior pollen gatherers. My two cents Keep well Garth --- Garth Cambray "Opinions expressed in this post may be those 15 Park Road of Pritz, my cat, who knows a lot about Grahamstown catfood." 6140 *garth@rucus.ru.ac.za* South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 In general, generalisations are bad. But don't worry BEEEEEE happy. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ * Who Drinks Diet Coke?? THIRSTY FAT PEOPLE...!!!] Article 9306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: JULY HONEY PRICES Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:53:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708122109592409@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9306 Some JULY 1997 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS and other sources for 1997 crop Honey.. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1997 crop honey. | | | | IMPORTS May 1997 totals 36.3 million kilograms | | EXPORTS 1.6 million kilograms | | CANADA -Manitoba | : clover 73 water white : | ARGENTINA light amber | | mixed flower 69-89 E. Coast white-lt amber | | mixed flower 93 W. Coast white | | MEXICO Mixed 61-62 light amber | | Texas Tallow 64 light amber | | Louisiana Tallow 64 light amber | | NORTH DAKOTA | | Clover 70 new crop water white | | CALIFORNIA | | Alfalfa 85 white | | Orange 77 white | | Mixed Flowers 60-63 ex lt amber - amber | | MONTANA Clover 78-91 white | | S. DAKOTA Clover 88-91 white -light amber : | WASHINGTON | | Fire Weed 92 white | | FLORIDA Orange 90 amber | | Gallberry 80-85 white- ex lt amber | | Mixed Flowers 63-72 light amber -amber | |____________________________________________________________| \ The market continues lower with spotty new crop prospects/ \ and increased imports looking for the same US $$$$$! / \------------------------------------------------------/ (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. 81297 --- þþ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://suebee.com (Looking Better Everyday) Article 9307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!wetware!dailyplanet.wsrcc.com!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!snielsen From: snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating with Apistan strips Date: 12 Aug 1997 21:14:17 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5sqjn9$9h9@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <33ED3777.663C@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9307 In a previous article, kboukg@sprintmail.com (Edward Flicek) says: >I have read two conflicting ideas about treating with Apistan. One >article says to use two strips of apistan for the whole hive, another >says to use two strips per brood boxes, making a grand total of six per >hive. >Whats the correct method? Read the label on the packaging, and take it literally. Don't interpret. Always follow label instructions (and, no, I'm not going to tell you what it says!) Susan -- Susan Nielsen | Beehive: If you build it, snielsen@orednet.org | they will comb. -- Article 9308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeycomb Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:16:36 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <56gJ2CAk1W8zEwRX@emphasys.demon.co.uk> References: <5sq3ca$qtl$1@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9308 In article <5sq3ca$qtl$1@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>, charlieman@webtv.net writes > HOW LONG CAN HONEYCOMB BE FROZEN? and do have any >suggestions for anything else to do with it?? a) No personal experience, but the old gits say "indefinitely". b) Spread it on fresh bread. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeycomb Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:58:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708130732302418@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <5sq3ca$qtl$1@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net> Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9309 C>From: charlieman@webtv.net >Subject: Honeycomb > HOW LONG CAN HONEYCOMB BE FROZEN? and do have any You can keep honey and honeycomb in the freezer (0) without a problem until you want to use it. It will not change. At room temperatures some honey will change in a matter of weeks to a darker color, but it is still good. You can refrigerate honey and honey with little problems but the temperature change moving it in and out will be ideal for it to sugar and some honey will in time get as hard as a rock. Honey that has been open to the room air will sugar faster. Most table honey can be kept in a refrigerator with NO problem. Honey can be used for any use sugar can be used for, just use a little less until you get it right to your taste. Beekeepers eat it all the time and some of the oldest farts in the world are beekeepers. ttul, the OLd Drone --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ I Love HONEY! I Love HONEY! I Love HONEY! I Love U HONEY! Article 9310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: world bee info Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708130732302419@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <33F0E444.25E3@srg.com> Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9310 BB>From: Bob Brown >Subject: world bee info BB>I'm looking for info on the global activity of honeybees in the >following countries: the U.S., China, Germany, Mexico and Japan. Does >anyone know a good source of information that has tracked the number of >hives and/or honey production in these countries, going back maybe 10 >years to the present? BB>Thanks in advance. Well I don't know about that because I am only going to tell you it is available on the net, but not get it for you or do much more then suggest you use a search engine such as YAHOO and look for USDA crop reports and start from there. I just posted some stuff on "CROP Conditions" and you could send e-mail to any of those address's listed and they may give you better help. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Press any key to continue or any other key to quit Article 9311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1996 SUE BEE EARNINGS Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:12:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708131824052422@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 65 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9311 SIOUX HONEY ASSOCIATION FINAL EARNINGS ON 1996 HONEY POOL On August 4, 1997 the Sioux Honey Association a CO-OP of honey producers who market honey nation wide under the SUE BEE and AUNT SUE labels announced their final earning for the 1996 crop. They represent the largest pool of honey produced and marketed in the US and they have two major honey packing plants located in Southern California and Sioux City Iowa. Returns to producers represent what is left after all the costs of packing, selling, and shipping have been paid. A percentage of the honey producers returns are held back and invested in the company and is returned when the producer retires from the company. Membership is open to US producers only, and to be a member requires the production of the types of honey that are marketed by the association. What was left for the honey producer members of SIOUX HONEY ASSOCIATION: Sue Bee Bottlegrade Base Price $.8608 (USA $$) (Average Bonus for Color & Moisture) .0322 ((this is the Clover, Orange and ------ high quality table honey's)) $.8930 Aunt Sue Bottlegrade $.8508 (Average Bonus)((this is the high .0096 quality darker, or western type honey)) ------ $.8604 Pool #3 $.8308 ((darker Industrial use Honey)) Special Pool ((darker Industrial use $.8208 Honey such as TALLOW tree honey)) Pool #4 ((honey you would not want $.5000 to eat, melter, or high moisture)) BEESWAX Choice Wax $2.3749 Light Wax $2.3249 Dark Wax $2.2749 All Sioux Bee honey producers honey is regularly checked for adulteration and farm chemicals and if found is returned at the members expense and regulatory authorities are notified. A Sioux Bee member pays two or three times for honey promotion, they pay the government as producers, as packers, and pay to promote their own products with the only honey packer national advertising of honey. Sioux Honey is the #1 US quality and wholesale price leader and other large packers can only compete with lower price and using cheeper imported honey. Sioux Bee has one small producer in Mexico and exports packed honey world wide. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. 081297 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://suebee.com (HONEY LOVERS INFORMATION) Article 9312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!166.82.1.9!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail From: Charles Heatherly Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: inquiry Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:12:37 -0400 Organization: Heatherly & Associates Lines: 3 Message-ID: <33F25B84.657C@mms.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.210 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9312 Is anything wrong with the bulletin board? For the past few days I have been unable to read any messages. When I access the group, it is blank? Any advice please? Charles Heatherly, Cary, NC Article 9313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!news.starnet.net!news.starnet.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1996 SUE BEE EARNINGS Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:00:50 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5stvmt$dpn$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <9708131824052422@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lasierra.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9313 In article <9 Say, Old Drone; I thought you might be interested to know that I was out looking at my hive this evening here in Hemet, California and one of my bees piqued (French word for stung) me on the back of the left hand! The site reddened and warmed up. I felt "it" happening warmly in my left ear canal and it felt like I needed to scratch myself inside the ear canal. I felt the pique going through the lymph glands in both armpits, stronger on the left side. Right now I can feel it on my feet bottoms. Bees sure are something! I like them, and it is exciting and stimulating for me to get stung! Would you say I am a normal person? PS; in this month's American BeeKeeper magazine there is an itemization of some the wisdom a person can gain from studying bees and one of the items is about what happens to some of the old, fat drones after the honeyflow is over. Article 9314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jørn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New test of the hivenotesoftware Date: 14 Aug 1997 14:49:05 GMT Organization: EDBi Lines: 42 Message-ID: <01bca8c0$bdbe8c20$LocalHost@jornjoha> References: <01bca409$f516bbe0$LocalHost@jornjoha> <33F11D38.A4B80CDB@corinthian.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp28.rd.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 871570145 28870 (None) 194.239.161.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.inet.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9314 Ila King skrev i artiklen <33F11D38.A4B80CDB@corinthian.net>... > I really hate to show my ignorance, but I downloaded the software, and > can't get it to install. What am I doing wrong? I have tried every > destination directory that I can think of, and it is too large to put on > floppy disks. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Pointing Your problems to me is OK, and I will try to help you out. I dont know what version you took down, but WIN31: Place the downloaded software in c:\temp Run it. It will extract a bounch of files. among those you will find SETUP.EXE Run this and the Bidata software should install. place the downloaded Databas1.zip in c:\temp and UNZIP it with full pathnames. It will create two diskdirectories : DISK1 and DISK2 in DISK1 run SETUP.EXE and the database engine will be installed. Now You should be able to run the win3.1+ software. Win95 istallation is more simple! Put the bidatawin95inst.exe in a temp directory and run it! It will create four disk directories. disk1, disk2 disk3 disk4. In the directory disk1 the SETUP.EXE is found and running this will install the win95 edition. Use default install dir please for both edition. C:\BIDATA for the win31 edition and c:\apimo\bidata for the win95 edition. Please feel free to write me again if you are getting more errors. Best regards Jorn Article 9315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.232.147.119!news.pilot.net!news2.pilot.net!clorox.news.pilot.net!not-for-mail From: RICK SUK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help for beginner Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:51:24 -0700 Organization: The Clorox Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <33F3378C.4406@clorox.com> References: <19970805041600.AAA02695@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unknown-68-12.clorox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [e]C (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9315 NOVA3000 wrote: > > hi everyone . thanks for taking the time to read this message. I am > interested in starting up with bee keeping. Could someone please point me > in the right direction to start. Are there any books or anything that you > would recomend that are helpfull? any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks alot, > > Travis One address you might look at is: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/howtobee.htm It was a starting point for me. -Rick Article 9316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1996 SUE BEE EARNINGS Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:20:15 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <33F2BFBF.843B41E2@calwest.net> References: <9708131824052422@beenet.com> <5stvmt$dpn$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-103-70.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9316 Peter Amschel wrote: > In article <9 > > Say, Old Drone; I thought you might be interested to know that I was > out > looking at my hive this evening here in Hemet, California and one of > my bees > piqued (French word for stung) me on the back of the left hand! The > site > reddened and warmed up. I felt "it" happening warmly in my left ear > canal and > it felt like I needed to scratch myself inside the ear canal. I felt > the pique > going through the lymph glands in both armpits, stronger on the left > side. > Right now I can feel it on my feet bottoms. > > Would you say I am a normal person? Well Peter, The real question should bee is anyone normal that would work with such an ungrateful insect that would sting the hand that feed it?As far as your reaction to one bee sting on the hand which is common and I believe it is a stage the all who work with bees goes through on their way to immunity or the alternative which would be hypersensitivity, or death. Check with you doctor as bees, honey bees do kill a dozen or so people each year in the US before the advent of the Tex-Mex-Afro-Egyptioan bee...now they seem to be killing fewer?? > PS; in this month's American BeeKeeper magazine there is an > itemization of > some the wisdom a person can gain from studying bees and one of the > items is > about what happens to some of the old, fat drones after the honeyflow > is over. Give us a break and the address, cost, and other stuff you would pay to advertise the AMERICAN BEEKEEPER magazine.. ttul, the OLd Drone (this message was prepared on-line using NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR, so if it is screw up don't blame me, but if it looks Good to you try the Communicator, has all the features of EUDORA, well maybe not all, but does have the one's you may need.) Article 9317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New test of the hivenotesoftware Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:21:40 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33F2C014.6A9B@nt.com> References: <01bca409$f516bbe0$LocalHost@jornjoha> <33F11D38.A4B80CDB@corinthian.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9317 Ila King wrote: > > I really hate to show my ignorance, but I downloaded the software, and > can't get it to install. What am I doing wrong? I have tried every > destination directory that I can think of, and it is too large to put on > floppy disks. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > snip... > > -- > > EDBi = Beekeeping software for Windows 3.1 win95 > > e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk > > edbi homepage http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo/edbi.htm > > Ken Morris homepage http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm You could try getting hold of a copies of: for DOS and/or DOS box in Windows pkzip and pkunzip for windows winzip All are shareware and available on the net somewhere. These are utilities that radically compress files and offer the facility to spread the compressed data across multiple floppy discs if its still too big. You can compress whole directory trees as well and have them reconstructed when you expand the data. I don't know where on the net they can be found. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!hird From: hird@fc.hp.com (Steve Hird) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Problem Date: 14 Aug 1997 14:39:08 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 44 Message-ID: <5sv5ac$pcp@fcnews.fc.hp.com> Reply-To: hird-at-fc.hp.com NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.10] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9318 A little over a month ago I posted the mesage that is included below. Many of you provided good advise on what to do ... Thanks. As it turns out the queen was gone and I believe that a worker stepped up and started doing the egg laying. When I added the new queen she was accepted and immediatly started laying BUT there were not enough workers left to raise the young bees so none were born and the queen quit laying. She is now hanging out with about 15 loyal worker bees, sure to die over the winter. I plan to start over in the spring with two new colonies. What should I do with the Queen. If noone has any good ideas and you want the queen complete with ten or so workers, I will mail her to you free. She is an Italian from Texas "Weavers". ... hird hird@lvld.hp.com A little over a month ago I posted the message that is included below. Many of you provided good advise on what to do ... Thanks. As it turns out the queen was gone and I believe that a worker stepped up and started doing the egg laying. When I added the new queen she was accepted and immediately started laying BUT there were not enough workers left to raise the young bees so none were born and the queen quit laying. She is now hanging out with about 15 loyal worker bees, sure to die over the winter. I plan to start over in the spring with two new colonies. What should I do with the Queen. If noone has any good ideas and you want the queen complete with ten or so workers, I will mail her to you free. She is an Italian from Texas "Weavers". ... hird Article 9319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghall@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1996 SUE BEE EARNINGS Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:29:31 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33f393de.4635988@news.usit.net> References: <9708131824052422@beenet.com> <5stvmt$dpn$1@nntp.pe.net> <33F2BFBF.843B41E2@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.243 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9319 On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:20:15 -0700, Andy Nachbaur wrote: >Peter Amschel wrote: > >The real question should bee is anyone normal that would work with such >an ungrateful insect that would sting the hand that feed it? If your bees aren't feeding you more than you're feeding them you probably need to get new bees or maybe a new hobby. By the way Andy, don't you ever sleep? I've got you submitting about 6 posts to this ng from 7:00 P.M. to 4:30 A.M. the next morning. :) See ya Later. Article 9320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: shougal@aol.com (SHOUGAL) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax Date: 15 Aug 1997 00:11:22 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19970815001100.UAA29325@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9320 Does anyone have information about beeswax and it's chemical composition? Please e-mail to shougal@aol.com Thanks Article 9321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!iagnet.net!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: Tim Townsend Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:08:53 -0700 Organization: TPLR Honey Farms Lines: 30 Message-ID: <33F3D655.DA6@telusplanet.net> References: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> <33F0EB9D.7DB2@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: ttownsen@telusplanet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: edtnpx02-port-29.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9321 Thom Bradley wrote: > > Ahlmon1961 wrote: > > > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced a reluctance in certain > > colonies to draw comb on this sort of foundation? Two of my five colonies > > seem to refuse to draw comb while the others are fine with the stuff? > > My bees will build burr in large amounts rather than draw out single > piece plastic. i just bought enough wood and foundation to replace all > of it last night. I will probably never use it again. I placed them > early this season and have colonies of mixed frame supers. Wax is drawn > and coated plastic ignored. They will, however, build burr on top of > it. > Thom Bradley Sorry to hear that the hives are having problems drawing out the Pierco frames, a couple of questions spring to mind. Where they wax coated? Where the bees on a flow? Did the hives have lots of room or where they a little crowded with the foundation? I think everyone has had problems drawing any foundation from time to time, there are a lot of things required to get the bees to draw comb. I don't think it's a problem with the foundation, but everyone has to use what works for them. If I can be of any help with the Pierco's, please feel free to e-mail me. Tim Townsend ttownsen@telusplanet.net Article 9322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.2.96.62!news.rain.net!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:05:26 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 27 Message-ID: <33F47036.1544@teleport.com> References: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> <33F0EB9D.7DB2@ix.netcom.com> <33F3D655.DA6@telusplanet.net> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-09.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9322 Tim Townsend wrote: > > Thom Bradley wrote: > > > > Ahlmon1961 wrote: > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced a reluctance in certain > > > colonies to draw comb on this sort of foundation? Two of my five colonies > > > seem to refuse to draw comb while the others are fine with the stuff? > > > > My bees will build burr in large amounts rather than draw out single > > piece plastic. i just bought enough wood and foundation to replace all > > of it last night. I will probably never use it again. I placed them > > early this season and have colonies of mixed frame supers. Wax is drawn > > and coated plastic ignored. They will, however, build burr on top of > > it. > > Thom Bradley My friend and I use Pierco frames. I've found that frames that I get don't come with enough wax on them. I heat wax in a double boiler and then apply it with a dry sponge (the best thing I've found). It makes it a lot easier for the bees. Thom, I urge you to call the company. Businesses need feedback. Do you have plans for your discarded Plastics. :) If not, I'll take them. Paul Cauthorn Article 9323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Educational Pricing Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:02:52 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <0d+6fBAc4x8zEwCU@emphasys.demon.co.uk> References: <5s7aei$lv8@wolf.tela.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9323 In article <5s7aei$lv8@wolf.tela.com>, Joseph W Walz writes >Please forgive me for this e-mail NO, I won't. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: knospammak@sympatico.ca (K Mak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees In My Garage - Help Please Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:11:04 GMT Organization: Sympatico Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33f400a5.6407119@news1.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: knospammak@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.251.119 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9324 I have been experiencing a bee problem in my garage. I have noticed every day for about 2 months now that bees are getting into my garage. I stood outside one day to watch and these bees (bumblebees I think) fly to outside my garage, then land on the ground and enter through the bottom of the garage. They do so only from the bottom left hand side. I have looked all around my house and my neighbours house and there is no nest. I have noticed up to 8 bees at a time buzzing around my garage. There is no nest inside the garage either. Once these bees get into the garage, it is dark and they just end up crawling around on the ground until I open the garage door and they fly away. I think these bees are pretty docile, but I don't want to get stung by accident some day. Is it possible my garage is somehow in the way of their 'flight path'? What could be causing such behaviour? Is there any way to get rid of them or keep them from hanging around my garage? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------ K Mak to reply via email, please remove 'nospam' from return address Article 9325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drawing Foundation Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:44:47 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 14 Message-ID: <33F44F3F.6F38@nt.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9325 I've found that the easiest way to get foundation drawn is to use swarms. The bees are all geared up to produce comb and will draw foundation at a phenominal rate. In my first year of beekeeping I had no super frames with drawm foundation but was fortunate enough to take a swarm in my first week, I had already bought two colonies with brood boxes only. I ran the swarm into a super rather than a brood box and quickly got two supers with drawn foundation before I moved them onto a brood box for their permanent home. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.serv.net!not-for-mail From: Lowell Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help Regarding--Wild Pollinators Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:53:10 -0700 Organization: ServNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <33F4CFC6.5090@serv.net> Reply-To: lowella@serv.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup314.serv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9326 Hi, I am looking for information on those wonderful wild pollinators here in Western Washington (state--not the murder capitol). I'm an urban gardner (farmer :-) ), not interested in doing the honey bee thing, but very interested in creating in my very large garden a "pollinator friendly environment" for all the bees, flys, etc. I see sampling my fruit, flower, and vegetable blossoms. I have Griffin's book "The Orchard Mason Bee"--and a partially filled Mason bee condo--and have ordered Buchmann/Nabhan's "The Forgotten Pollinators". Can anyone direct me to other sources of information on types, beeding / nesting / foraging habitats, favorite foods (flowers and color), preditors, diseases, etc. for (specifically) wild pollinators in Western Washington--bees, bumble bees, flys, etc. Any help will be greatly appreciated--thanks in advance. Lowell Anderson Seattle, WA Article 9327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:24:38 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33F4F346.6BD9@ix.netcom.com> References: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> <33F0EB9D.7DB2@ix.netcom.com> <33F3D655.DA6@telusplanet.net> <33F47036.1544@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va4-02.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Aug 15 7:23:58 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9327 Paul Cauthorn wrote: > > Do you > have plans for your discarded Plastics. :) If not, I'll take them. > > Paul Cauthorn Paul, I have received numerous requests for the plastic and I plan on using in raffles to raise money for the newly sanctioned "Beekeepers of the Albemarle" Association in Elizabeth City, N.C. Thanks Thom Article 9328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Zealand Larvae Transfer System?? Date: 16 Aug 1997 02:21:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5t32rj$hk0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <33F0CEA5.7BB3@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9328 In article <33F0CEA5.7BB3@ibm.net>, Al Welk wrote: >Has anyone used this Apian Co.'s Larva Transfer System? I have talked >with another keeper about trying to breed our own queens and wonder if >this is any good? From the way this company spams with e-mail I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!169.197.1.4!news.azstarnet.com!usr5ip60.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:00:06 LOCAL Organization: Starnet Lines: 43 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr5ip60.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9329 In article <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> Andy Nachbaur writes: >From: Andy Nachbaur >Subject: Re: Varroa mites >Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:26:07 -0700 >Interesting research, but it may be more productive to catch these bees >in a standard beehive like those used by beekeepers and do some research >on productive management. WE ARE DOING WORK ON PRODUCTION, SUPERCEDURE, POLLINATION, QUEEN DEVELOPMENT TIMES, COMPETITION, AGGRESSION, MITE TOLERANCE AND RESISTANCE, and several other subjects. In our "spare time", we have to attend mandatory sessions on AIDS-awareness, TQM fizzies, safety, driviers safety, and whatever else the topheavy national "management" can think up to create paperwork to justify their positions. >The world has not ended for beekeepers as >advertised by the BS community in every paper produced on African or bee >pests and in fact new public interest in keeping bees is increasing in >the areas of the US that have had good pasture for them. We see no increased interest in this area (southern Arizona). Remember, we are seing this bee from the position of having worked with it for 3-4 years, whereas most, BUT NOT ALL of you are relying on heresay and newsletters for info. >BTW, I don't know anything about your research but I can tell you from >experience the smaller the box the higher the labor costs as the boxes >will have to be checked more often and the bees will be gone the next >day if they are crowded. I respect your experienc more than I can say. The idea behind the small "peat pot" swarmtraps is to provide a cavity which will be passed by when encountered by a "normal" swarm, but which a small "parasitic" swarm will move into. Schmidt is also working on synthetic pheromones which will then shut down egglaying permanently in those queens in the small traps. Hope some of this helps to spread the word about what is reall happening in Tucson and Arizona. We are down to three technicians (only one a real beekeeper - not me !! ) for th whole lab. Opinions are my own. John Edwards Article 9330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1996 SUE BEE EARNINGS Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708152328222429@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <33f393de.4635988@news.usit.net> <9708131824052422@beenet.com> <5stvmt$dpn$1@nn Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9330 R>From: rghall@usit.net (Richard Hall) >Subject: Re: 1996 SUE BEE EARNINGS R>On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:20:15 -0700, Andy Nachbaur > wrote: >By the way Andy, don't you ever sleep? I've got you submitting about >6 posts to this ng from 7:00 P.M. to 4:30 A.M. the next morning. :) Not sure who date\\time stamps them but here in the Old Beekeeper's Home sometimes the only time the guards will let me out to use the several pc's connected to different internet sites is at odd times when they are sleeping, and then there are those times when a overdoze of the old MO keeps one sitting around waiting for the good news. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Ultimately, EVERYTHING breaks ... Article 9331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!169.197.1.4!news.azstarnet.com!usr5ip60.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AHB BEEHAVIOR - was Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:28:12 LOCAL Organization: Starnet Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr5ip60.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9331 Whle I'm using up the bandwidth, you might be interested in an experience I had today at the Lab's isolated "Killer bee yard" (dubbed the Penitentiary For Bees by the local news people). I stopped by to check on the water flow from the tank. and while crouched over the water pan, noticed WATER COLLECTORS were coming after me. I've been around lots of watering sites, and don't remember this behavior before - -do you ???? Come visit us ! You might be surprised. Opinions are my own. John Edwards Article 9332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!169.197.1.4!news.azstarnet.com!usr5ip60.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AHB thead Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:45:29 LOCAL Organization: Starnet Lines: 64 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9708130732302420@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr5ip60.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9332 In article <9708130732302420@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) >Subject: AHB thead >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:07:00 GMT >*stolen off the BEE-List, of interest to all. > ---------------------------------------- >From: Garth >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:17:54 GMT+0200 >Subject: AHB thead >Organization: Rhodes University South Africa >Hi all >I see a lot of reasonably strange feelings about the AHB expressed >here. >>>>>>>>>>> NO KIDDING !!!!!!!!!! >The egyptian honeybee is an afican honey bee which genetically is >very very similarr to the AHB's of the east of africa. But I'm not at all certain that the bee of Africa is what we have in Arizona, after being trans-shipped and filtered and selected for survival. >People talk about low yields from AHB hives and the absconding >problem. I have a friend who kept well bred AHB in Zimmbabwe and >fequently took eight supers of her best hiivees during the spring >flow and a further four later in the yearr. That is not a bad yield. >(shallows though) I REALLY believe the AHB could make someone a lot of MONEY collecting pollen, BUT have yet to see a good honey crop from an AHB hive (and we have a bunch). >Also the stray swarm from Hawaii? AHB in Hawaii? THIS STORY JUST WON'T DIE !! THE GUATEMALEN SHIP WAS UNLOADING AT THE SAN FRANCISCO DOCKS OF A SUGAR COMPANY WITH THE WORD HAWAII IN ITS NAME. >AHB also are superior in theiir ability to build up and aree >superior pollen gatherers. AGREE COMPLETELY with this statement, but they're still nasty little buggers. John Edwards ;) >My two cents >Keep well >Garth >--- >Garth Cambray "Opinions expressed in this post may be those >15 Park Road of Pritz, my cat, who knows a lot about >Grahamstown catfood." >6140 *garth@rucus.ru.ac.za* >South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 >In general, generalisations are bad. >But don't worry BEEEEEE happy. >--- > þ QMPro 1.53 þ * Who Drinks Diet Coke?? THIRSTY FAT PEOPLE...!!!] Article 9333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!169.197.1.4!news.azstarnet.com!usr5ip60.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEEKEEPING IN THE NEWSPAP Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:33:01 LOCAL Organization: Starnet Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9708101938062390@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr5ip60.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9333 In article <9708101938062390@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) >Subject: BEEKEEPING IN THE NEWSPAP >Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:50:00 GMT >BEEKEEPING IN THE NEWSPAPERS >What others are saying about beekeeping > The science in all this >Africian bees stuff is so poor that legally it can not support a real >quarantine and all federal Afro bee efforts are soon to be stopped. I agree that there have been some real duds, and more omissions of work that SHOULD have been done, but wasn't for political reasons. But...... CAN WE HANG ON FOR THREE MORE YEARS TILL I RETIRE ????? - - or can I go back to working on crop pollination now ? >The TEXAS story continues.. I don't know how many counties there are in >this great state but now 89 have been quarantined for Africanized honey >bees. >It was a busy week for the "killer" bees and their tails. I BELIEVE THERE WERE 248 COUNTIES WHEN MY PARENTS WERE GROWING UP THERE, SO PLENTY LEFT TO SAMPLE. ;) - - John Edwards, Tucson >ttul, the OLd Drone Article 9334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!169.197.1.4!news.azstarnet.com!usr5ip60.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees to leave? Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:50:53 LOCAL Organization: Starnet Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <5sjbdq$te4_001@dialup1.den.amnix.com> <5slq6l$ggt@examiner.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr5ip60.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9334 >Subject: Re: Getting bees to leave? >Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:34:01 GMT >melissaX@Yamnix.com (Melissa) wrote: >>We just moved into a different house across town ( Denver ) and there's >>apparently a bee or wasp nest in our front hedge, right next to the garage. >>We don't really want to kill the nest of them, we just want them to move out to >>somewhere else so they won't bother us again. Jennifer is highly allergic to >>stings like that & could have wound up in the emergency room if she had been >>stung instead of me. >>Any ideas on how to get these fellas to move out without killing them all? You need to ask yourself if it is worth someone's LIFE to try coexisting with this colony in a city. On a happier note, my PhD venom expert in the next office says people are seldom allergic to ALL venoms just because of one specific allergy. - - John Edwards, Tucson - opinions are mine only. Article 9335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!169.197.1.4!news.azstarnet.com!usr5ip60.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:11:52 LOCAL Organization: Starnet Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr5ip60.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9335 ADDENDUM TO LAST MASSAGE:: Please excuse the sloppy editing - my connection shuts down after aboot 20 minutes, and I often have to retype twice - really annoying !! Does anyone know how I can get more time to THINK as I type with my two fingers ????????? Andy wrote: >>The world has not ended for beekeepers as >>advertised by the BS community in every paper produced on African or bee >>pests I forgot to mention - - YES, I DO have a B.S., so guess I qualify to write BS papers Opinions are my own. John Edwards Article 9336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!192.148.253.74!netnews.com!news.idt.net!news-peer.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1421.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot Asian Girls .... Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:58:54 -0500 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 7 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <33ede556.0@news1.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1421.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9336 In article <33ede556.0@news1.ibm.net>, alfkjasl@lkajfalsjf.com wrote: > All Models are over the Age of 18 Years of Age or Older. and consume at least 12 pounds of honey annually. Plus they love sticky floors and bees buzzing around the lights... Article 9337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33F521AF.6895@voyager.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:42:39 -0700 From: "Anne J. Hacker" Reply-To: ajhacker@voyager.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: clmx65.dial.voyager.net Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nac!news1.kc.net!clmx65.dial.voyager.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9337 Does anyone have a good, simple way to clean and render the wax cappings. I'd like to be able to sell the cleaned wax to crafty folks who will use them for candles, etc. Anne J. Hacker ajhacker@voyager.net Article 9338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:51:25 -0600 From: m.abid@casanet.net.ma Subject: Honey from Morocco Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <871738730.32290@dejanews.com> Reply-To: m.abid@casanet.net.ma Organization: Deja News Posting Service To: m.abid@casanet.net.ma X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 16 13:38:50 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 194.204.205.78 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0b2; Windows 95) X-Authenticated-Sender: m.abid@casanet.net.ma Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9338 We are honey producers in Morocco specialising in rare and high quality honeys e.g. orange, spurge, coriander, lavander, thyme, khella (Ammi visnaga), fennel, etc. We are looking for buyers. Please contact us on the above e-mail address. We also have a Web-site (for the time being it is unfortunately only in French): http://www.casanet.net.ma/users/HAM Thanks for your time. Best regards Mohammed Abid Société HAM -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!news-peer.bt.net!btnet-feed2!btnet!easynet-uk!easynet-fr!easynet-buggy!max1-paris-60.easynet.fr!user From: evolution@webdepart.com (Antoine Huchet) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Professional Agricultural Exhibitions France Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:18:00 -0300 Organization: Evolution Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-paris-60.easynet.fr Keywords: Professional Agricultural Exhibitions France Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:6260 alt.sustainable.agriculture:19779 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9339 Professional Agricultural Exhibitions France http://www.webdepart.com/evolution/exportengfreexhibit.html You can find one of the most data base of French Professionnal Agricultural Exhibitions in 1997 and 1998 -- Antoine HUCHET, Evolution, Paris E. Mail : evolution@webdepart.com Web Page : http://www.webdepart.com/evolution Article 9340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nilamda@aol.com (NILAMDA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: world bee info Date: 16 Aug 1997 20:19:45 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <19970816201901.QAA12517@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <33F0E444.25E3@srg.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9340 In article <33F0E444.25E3@srg.com>, Bob Brown writes: >Subject: world bee info >From: Bob Brown >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:31:33 -0600 > >I'm looking for info on the global activity of honeybees in the >following countries: the U.S., China, Germany, Mexico and Japan. Does >anyone know a good source of information that has tracked the number of >hives and/or honey production in these countries, going back maybe 10 >years to the present? > >Thanks in advance. > >Bob Brown Thre is a very comprehensive survey of World honey production in "Honey, a Comprehensive Survey" Edited by Dr. Eva Crane MSc PhD one time Director, International Bee Research Association, Published by Heinemann:London This book, published in 1975, does not give the specific data you are looking for (does any book?), but is packed with statistics from 96 countries. I reproduce below one interesting table showing estimated percentage production of world honey crop at 250 year intervals:-- Period (AD) 1470 1720 1970 Europe 30? 30 25 Asia 35? 35 22 Africa 35? 30 13 New World 0 5 40 Total 100 100 100 Tony Malin RUGBY UK Article 9341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:32:08 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5t5nkj$rk8$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <33F521AF.6895@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9341 In article <33F521AF.6895@voyager.net>, ajhacker@voyager.net wrote: >Does anyone have a good, simple way to clean and render the wax >cappings. I'd like to be able to sell the cleaned wax to crafty folks >who will use them for candles, etc. > >Anne J. Hacker >ajhacker@voyager.net > After you have squeezed or gravitied out as much honey as possible, you just put the cappings in a pan of water on the stove and heat them to 140 degrees and stir it around until all the wax is melted into the water, and then let the pan cool to room temperature. The wax rises to the surface of the water as it cools and you will be left with a round plate of wax on the surface of the water. The bottom of the wax plate will be pretty gross, it is covered with bee debris of various types, and there is a word for it - slumgum - and you scrape that off into the garbage can. There you have it - a pretty clean plate of beeswax. To refine it further, which I have not done yet, you melt the plate in the sun, as I understand it and let the wax run by gravity through some type of filter into your wax mold. Article 9342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lizleight@aol.com (Lizleight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Careers in BeeKeeping Date: 17 Aug 1997 02:57:21 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970817025701.WAA08535@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9342 I would like to learn about careers in BeeKeeping. Can anyone help me? Can I make a living from this? How is the market segregated? Are there any large commercial operations? Gratefully Liz Article 9343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 04:31:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708162212372440@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) >Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) E>>Interesting research, but it may be more productive to catch these bees >>in a standard beehive like those used by beekeepers and do some research >>on productive management. E>WE ARE DOING WORK ON PRODUCTION, SUPERCEDURE, POLLINATION, QUEEN DEVELOPMENT >TIMES, COMPETITION, AGGRESSION, MITE TOLERANCE AND RESISTANCE, and several >other subjects. In our "spare time", we have to attend mandatory sessions on >AIDS-awareness, TQM fizzies, safety, driviers safety, and whatever else the >topheavy national "management" can think up to create paperwork to justify >their positions. You missed the point.. Are you doing these things, (which are no more then everyday jobs for most commercial beekeepers), with the so called "African" bees or their daughters like the commercial beekeeper are doing today or will be in the near future? OR are still working on the theory that we will not or don't have these bees today in wide areas of the USA and they can be controlled by one or more eradication schemes? As far as all those mandated programs that we all learn to hate from big brother via doo gooders, we beekeepers are in the same boat but we not only have to spent the time, but all seem to be connected with a tax disguised as a fee which we also have to pay our of our own pocket. E>>The world has not ended for beekeepers as >>advertised by the BS community in every paper produced on African or bee >>pests and in fact new public interest in keeping bees is increasing in >>the areas of the US that have had good pasture for them. E>We see no increased interest in this area (southern Arizona). >Remember, we are seing this bee from the position of having worked with it >for 3-4 years, whereas most, BUT NOT ALL of you are relying on heresay and >newsletters for info. Much of the information that has been provided to the public and beekeepers has been more then heresy,....much of it has been pure hype and fabrication. Some going as far back as the "killer" bees traversing the Amazon without leaving resident populations.. E>Hope some of this helps to spread the word about what is reall happening in >Tucson and Arizona. We are down to three technicians (only one a real >beekeeper - not me !! ) for th whole lab. John, I am really sorry and shocked to hear this, but then I had heard a move was on to close the bee lab there so it does make sense to satisfy the political demands by the bee industry to keep something going even if on a smaller scale. The problem is that right now no one in the bee industry can afford the cost of a night in Lincoln's bed. I know you can do bee research in almost anyplace the weather is nice, but having a Bee Lab so far out of the migratory flight of the bee industry is/was a very poor political move and one that has had its price. ttul, Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the wild bee never flew, Article 9344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33F6E788.D4A07EE6@corinthian.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 07:59:04 -0400 From: Ila King Reply-To: iwk@corinthian.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Africanized bees X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.53.82.105 Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!gridnet!207.53.82.105 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9344 A friend just told me he had seen something about Africanized bees, but can't remember where she saw it. What she said was that experiments have shown that what excites them is the exhaled CO2 from the keepers, and experimenters have tried running breathing tubes far enough away from the hives so the bess can't detect it. She said the experiments were successful, and the bees were very gentle until the breathing tube was detached. Is there any truth to this? It sounds great, and if true, would make beekeeping with the Africanized bee as much pleasure as with the gentler ones we currently keep. A bit more inconvenient with a breathing tube, but workable. Article 9345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!newsr.Belgium.EU.net!not-for-mail From: "Guido Quatannens" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: italienne Date: 17 Aug 1997 14:50:34 GMT Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bcab1c$3771f360$87054ac1@ppro> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup135.kortrijk.eunet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9345 hallo All help Italienne reines off KI regards Guido Quatannens P.Verrieststraat 10 B 8570 Ingooigem Belgium E-mail : Guido.Quatannens@ping.be Article 9346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.45.255.100!coop.net!news.amnix.com!ppp-14 From: melissaX@Yamnix.com (Melissa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees to leave? Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 16:33:44 GMT Organization: AMNIX Communications, The Leading Internet Access Provider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <5t7958$f9s_001@dialup1.den.amnix.com> References: <5sjbdq$te4_001@dialup1.den.amnix.com> <5slq6l$ggt@examiner.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-14.dialup1.den.amnix.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9346 In article , edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) wrote: >>Subject: Re: Getting bees to leave? >>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:34:01 GMT > >>melissaX@Yamnix.com (Melissa) wrote: > >>>We just moved into a different house across town ( Denver ) and there's >>>apparently a bee or wasp nest in our front hedge, right next to the garage. >>>We don't really want to kill the nest of them, we just want them to move out >to >>somewhere else so they won't bother us again. Jennifer is highly allergic >to >>stings like that & could have wound up in the emergency room if she had >been >>stung instead of me. > >>>Any ideas on how to get these fellas to move out without killing them all? > >You need to ask yourself if it is worth someone's LIFE to try coexisting with >this colony in a city. On a happier note, my PhD venom expert in the next >office says people are seldom allergic to ALL venoms just because of one >specific allergy. > - - John Edwards, Tucson - opinions are mine only. I guess bees are more valuable than wasps because we have one offer from someone here to remove them if they're bees. If they're wasps I suppose we just spray the nest with ammonia? - Melissa ( remove the big X and Y from my spam proofed address to email me ) High Priestess, The Universal Planetary Pantheist Temple alt.personals.motss.women, the newsgroup for women-seeking-women: http://www.amnix.com/~melissa/charter.htm http://www.amnix.com/~melissa/melissas.htm http://www.amnix.com/~melissa Article 9347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.65.142!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild!news@tiac.net From: eldred@tiac.net (Eric Eldred) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new HTML online: 'The Life of the Bee,' Maeterlinck Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:21:03 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33f6fa86.836517@news.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: eldred.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9347 'The Life of the Bee' by Maurice Maeterlinck, 1901, in English translation by Alfred Sutro, now in HTML at: http://www.tiac.net/users/eldred/mm/b.html many other free online books at http://www.tiac.net/users/eldred/ please email comments, corrections, etc. to eldred@tiac.net Article 9348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!141.212.99.3!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:08:03 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 52 Message-ID: <33F75A23.375A0CAE@valley.net> References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-135.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9348 J. Edwards wrote: > ADDENDUM TO LAST MASSAGE:: > > Please excuse the sloppy editing - my connection shuts down after > aboot 20 > minutes, and I often have to retype twice - really annoying !! Does > anyone > know how I can get more time to THINK as I type with my two fingers > ????????? > > Andy wrote: > >>The world has not ended for beekeepers as > >>advertised by the BS community in every paper produced on African or > bee > >>pests > > I forgot to mention - - YES, I DO have a B.S., so guess I qualify to > write BS > papers > Opinions are my own. > John Edwards hi john, if the problem is that your connection is timing out because of an established time limit set by your provider [after so many minutes of no activity the connection is terminated], you might consider getting some 'ping' software. it sends out a call to the server every few minutes to keep the connection open. you can find such software at shareware sites, free for the download. one that i like is tucows. they are mirrored all over the place, but the one i use is: http://ftp.epix.net/tucows/window95.html alternatively, if your email client supports it, you can compose off-line, and then connect and send all your emails at once. btw, thanks for posting the info on your work down there. sounds interesting. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33F76A56.5221@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:17:10 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Adam Finkelstein Subject: Re: New Zealand Larvae Transfer System - Not Spam-ed References: <33F0CEA5.7BB3@ibm.net> <5t32rj$hk0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.75.227 Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.75.227 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9349 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > In article <33F0CEA5.7BB3@ibm.net>, Al Welk wrote: > >Has anyone used this Apian Co.'s Larva Transfer System? I have talked > >with another keeper about trying to breed our own queens and wonder if > >this is any good? > > From the way this company spams with e-mail I wouldn't touch them with a > ten foot pole. > > Adam > > -- > _________________ > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Well I haven't been spamed by them. I just saw the posting they put up here. Thanks for the input though. Article 9350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33F76B6F.5C06@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:21:51 -0400 From: Al Welk Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Charles Heatherly Subject: Re: inquiry References: <33F25B84.657C@mms.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.75.227 Lines: 8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.75.227 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9350 Charles Heatherly wrote: > > Is anything wrong with the bulletin board? For the past few days I have > been unable to read any messages. When I access the group, it is > blank? Any advice please? Charles Heatherly, Cary, NC No Problems here. I have been checking in everyday. I would check your server set up. Article 9351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: "Robert Lallier" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Edmondton...Beekeeper...Bob Date: 17 Aug 1997 23:51:55 GMT Organization: TELUS Communications Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bcab68$3f935560$d99da1c6@pc.TelusPlanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtnpx04-port-23.agt.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9351 Salut la gang Je suis une BeeKeeper d'Edmonton. Je vous salut. Article 9352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33F794FC.1FDD4716@corinthian.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:19:09 -0400 From: Ila King Reply-To: iwk@corinthian.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: inquiry X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33F25B84.657C@mms.net> <33F76B6F.5C06@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.53.82.108 Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!gridnet!207.53.82.108 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9352 Someone has to ask this. If your screen is blank, how could you expect to see any replies? (Including this one from stupid old me) > Charles Heatherly wrote: > > > > Is anything wrong with the bulletin board? For the past few days I > have > > been unable to read any messages. When I access the group, it is > > blank? Any advice please? Charles Heatherly, Cary, NC > > No Problems here. I have been checking in everyday. I would check > your > server set up. Article 9353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: golumbki@ix.netcom.com(Nicholas L.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question Date: 18 Aug 1997 02:02:48 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5t8ag8$7gk@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: spr-ma6-28.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 17 9:02:48 PM CDT 1997 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9353 Is it possible to buy a hive and bees and just let them go without care just for the sake of trying to replenish the bee population in the east? Nick Article 9354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: jcmurray@mindspring.com (Jonathan C. Murray) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Careers in BeeKeeping Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:02:59 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5t8atb$rui@camel1.mindspring.com> References: <19970817025701.WAA08535@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jcmurray@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-2k7i9gr.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 18 Aug 1997 02:09:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9354 Look up: Entomology on your search engine. lizleight@aol.com (Lizleight) wrote: >I would like to learn about careers in BeeKeeping. Can anyone help me? >Can I make a living from this? How is the market segregated? Are there >any large commercial operations? >Gratefully >Liz Article 9355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AHB BEEHAVIOR - WATER & more... Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:49:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708172001012444@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 145 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9355 J. Edwards wrote: > had today at the Lab's isolated "Killer bee yard" (dubbed the Penitentiary >For Bees by the local news people). I stopped by to check on the >water flow from the tank. and while crouched over the water pan, >noticed WATER COLLECTORS were coming after me. I've been around lots >of watering sites, and don't remember this behavior before - -do you ???? Bees that bite the hand that waters them is the norm here (West Side Foothills of the Central Valley in Calif.) in the late summer during the early Blue Curl bloom. My experiences: I keep one or more 55 gallon drums filled in each yard with water, and floats so the bees do not drowned, and sometimes added rock salt or TM to make the water more attractive if the bees have been seeking out stock water tanks. I truck this water in 55 gal drums during late July to 1st Oct or when the bees stop finding pollen or it rains. Most of the time two drums will last 100 hives a week, but if it is rally hot the drums will be empty in less. It is not unusual to have the bees meet you 3/4 mile from the apiary when I have stopped to open a gate. They will swarm all over the leaking drums and truck bed as if the cargo was sugar syrup or honey. I must explain that this is a true desert area if judged by rain fall and lack of humidity. Annual rain fall is less the 10 inches many years and this all comes in the winter months. The Blue Curl plant itself gets all its moisture from the air once the plant has leaves, and the leaves are covered with a very camphor like smelling oil to keep them from drying up as the moisture in the air they need for life can be lacking for weeks at a time..As this moisture in the air increases the plant grows and produces blue flowers from which the bees can collect large amounts of nectar. The pollen is green and is collected several weeks before the flow starts and this early bloom also provides feed for many other insects and wild bees before building to the point that honeybees can reach it. Yields are good once or twice in a lifetime and I have removed as much as 100 lbs per hive from several thousand hives. A good fall rain (one inch or more) will end the Blue Curl cycle at once until the next season. Since it does not all come up at the same time depending on the grass cover of the past spring a late summer rain can cause it to be at its best. In the old days the early grass was used for sheep pasture giving the Blue Curl less competition from the tall grass and in a normal year from a distance the hills looked as covered with alfalfa hay in bloom, but the sheep are gone due to the high cost of labor and low costs of imports. Most of the old time sheep herders now have French restraints or mow lawns in town and are doing well if not better then when they had sheep. I have found it necessary to light a smoker and put on a veil many times when trying to empty these drums of water for the bees as they are so aggressive they will attack and sting even the hand that waters them, and more then once have had to put on that veil, (always at the ready even if the screen is rusted out), a mile down the road at some farm gate as the bees would resist even me opening the gate. Bees in the Blue Curl have always enjoyed a reputation of being aggressive in the dry lands but I have found the same in bees in other areas that were short or without water including the coast of California after the Sage flow if nothing else followed it. At these times the descriptions by beekeepers of their bees match any given to the so called Afro bees, and these beekeepers yard notes can be found in bee journals of the 1930's. Certain areas of the South West from Texas to California, and Northern Mexico have always had a bad reputation of having aggressive bees and they are/were compared to California at least. Old time beekeepers with these aggressive bees use to pride themselves on their bees and tell how they kept theft and vandalism down. Some even are said to have selected for it. Bees in northern Mexico could be left along the main highways with no fear of the honey disappearing. The first season I worked bees in Arizona on the Mexican boarder I was shocked at the aggressive behavior which was the norm and had been that way for at least 40 years in the area and bees I worked. The next spring I brought 100's of queens from the best stock in California as these aggressive bees in Arizona were from daughters selected from Hawaii's best in earlier years and I just knew that was the problem, but the hives from these nice yellow California queens were no different in temperament then the average. That did not stop me and the next year I moved 500+ singles requeened in the almonds in California, and shook down to singles without once putting on a veil..! After these hives were moved out to their new locations and it was time to super them back up I learned my lesson as they were no different in temperament then the local bees. BTW, that year or the year after we were blessed with a crop exceeding 200 lbs per hive from the sticker bush desert plants of the Sornoran desert and the bees made honey up to almost Christmas. Another story for later, the Great Yellow Eye honey flow, Norther Mexico's greatest honey plant. All of this was before the Tex-Mex African experience, and I am sure I could at the time have convinced the first team of beekeepers and bee scientists that went down to SA to have a look see at the "killer" bees that they were looking at the exact same thing in Arizona , but I did not. So how do you work them you ask? Well no different from how anyone works aggressive bees, you have good smokers, good veils, dress up, us masking tape...what a drag, heck I could work half a yard in the time it takes for most to dress up, and I made up my mind to do just that and by learning how these aggressive bees behave I learned how to work them with a minimum amount of personal cover. And by the fourth season I could work them with just a good smoker as long as the rest of the crew stayed a good distance away from me because when you have people using gloves working bees no matter what kind they are they will get crushed and in time the whole yard will be in the air looking to stab some beekeeper in the rear area of the pants that is tight when bent over a hive and since I was the biggest target...will need I say more. In California it is no problem to sneak a peak at a few hives in a yard of one hundred using just a hive tool, or screw driver if you forgot your hive tool in the last yard. This I could never do in these Arizona bee yards, I always needed smoke. Normally in working bees, like taking off honey, I would get my veil laid out for easy access, and using only a hive tool and smoker and start to work. I can't remember not ending the day without my veil on in Arizona, and I should point out that bee stings on the face stopped bothering me years ago, so I took a few hits before looking for the veil that more times then not would have been moved by my help, or have a rattle snake caged in it, or some other desert creature. I learned to be weary of offers of close up help as they knew I would soon be looking for my veil and a surprise. I was worried about these aggressive bees in Arizona and I looked to other experienced beekeepers for information and found out that it was the normal for much of the southwest desert area from California to Texas, and according to my old friend Dr. Jacox in some places it is more pronounced then others in New Mexico. All these areas have similar climate, plants, and soil, or the lack of it, so I believe this is the reason. I could go on to today and tell all what a big difference the so called Afro bees have made to this area but I won't as most would not believe it and since I am not getting the hands on experience with them...well I will just stop right here before I get into trouble by telling tails out of school. ttul the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The summer comes with flower and bee,-- Article 9356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gsl.net!gip.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net|gip.net!news.sprintlink.co.za!news.global.co.za!not-for-mail From: "Athol Reid" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Manufactured Products Expo Date: 18 Aug 1997 10:58:05 GMT Organization: Global Internet Access Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bcabb6$a03d49e0$62a803c4@athol.index.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: mdm-po16.jhb168-anx3.net.global.co.za X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9356 If you're a buyer of manufactured agricultural products, visit the "Best South African Manufactured Expo" at www.expo.co.za/agriculture. The exhibition displays a high quality range of agricultural products as well as an attractive exchange rate Article 9357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!196.4.160.15!feeder.is.co.za!hermes.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: geoff_lomas@hotmail.com (Geoff Lomas) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Breakthrough In Hive Technology and Honey Extraction Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:38:49 GMT Organization: No Organisation Supplied Lines: 6 Message-ID: <33f85d4e.9601614@www.saexpress.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: sax2.saexpress.co.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9357 A New Breakthrough in hive technology and honey extraction has dawned on the Bee Keeping Industry ! Come and visit the innovation at : http://www.smoss.org.za/honeyh/ For more information send e-mail to geoff_lomas@hotmail.com Article 9358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:24:43 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5taarh$60h$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <33F521AF.6895@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9358 I just got some more info on that wax question, and when the wax is melted in the water (and do not let it get over 140 degrees, for safety's sake) then the melted wax and the slumgum and water is poured through a pantyhose filter into a wax milk carton which works good as a mold because it can be torn away from the beeswax after the beeswax hardens. Article 9359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nova3000@aol.com (NOVA3000) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized bees Date: 18 Aug 1997 20:51:01 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19970818205100.QAA18676@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <33F6E788.D4A07EE6@corinthian.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9359 I saw a documentery on africanized bees. a guy with a breathing tube went up to this hive, and he was touching the bees and everything. they didn't do a thing. then he took the tube out, the bees started swarming like crazy. so the tube thing seems to work well. Article 9360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.cic.net!iagnet.net!news.bright.net!news From: "John C. Bongiovanni" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Red Bees Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:44:00 -0400 Organization: BrightNet Ohio Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33F8D02F.5B45@bright.net> Reply-To: jbongi@bright.net NNTP-Posting-Host: medi-cas1-cs-50.dial.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9360 Last week I put a bee escape on one of my hives to take off a super of honey. The next day, sure enough, there were only about a dozen or so bees left in the box and I removed it only to find that several of the remaining bees were a deep red color (abdomen) almost a burgundy color. These are the only bees that I've ever seen at this colony (or any other, for that matter) quite this color. I watched the hive closely these last few days at the entrance and the only bees going in and out are the normal golden yellow Italians. Any ideas? I wish I would have grabbed one and mounted it, but, alas, I didn't. Article 9361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Subject: Re: Question Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> <5t8ag8$7gk@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries Message-ID: <01bcac29$d5f87dc0$247ed8cc@homenet.hom.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin2-6.wr.hom.net Date: 18 Aug 97 22:58:19 GMT Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!dialin2-6.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9361 I would be more than happy to sell you a nuc w/ bees but as for your purpose, save your money. Chip Nicholas L. wrote in article <5t8ag8$7gk@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>... > Is it possible to buy a hive and bees and just let them go without care > just for the sake of trying to replenish the bee population in the > east? > Nick > Article 9362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:58:20 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 61 Message-ID: <33F8E19C.7B3@ix.netcom.com> References: <33F521AF.6895@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va3-24.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 18 4:57:41 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9362 Anne J. Hacker wrote: > > Does anyone have a good, simple way to clean and render the wax > cappings. I'd like to be able to sell the cleaned wax to crafty folks > who will use them for candles, etc. > Anne, You must be careful with wax and fire. Beeswax makes fine candles and doesn't care if it happens to be on your stove. Your best bet is to make a temporary solar wax melter to see how it is done and then make a permanent one to fit your needs. This can be cheaply done with existing materials. 1) Get 2 empty supers, medium supers and stack them on top of each other with an old telescoping cover or piece of wood under them for a base. 2) Go to goodwill or a thrift store and buy an old cookie sheet or metal painting roller pan and drill a number of holes (6-10) in one corner with about a 1/8 inch drill bit. 3) Pickup an old pot - preferably stainless steel or porcelain coated. Place this pot in a corner of the box made of the stacked supers. Fill the pot with about an inch of water. 4) Place the cookie sheet in the supers (it will have to sit in at an angle) prop it up with some scrap wood and maybe a nail or two. Maneuver the pot so it is under the drilled holes and ensure the cookie sheet slants so the wax will run into it. 5) Borrow a sheet of glass that would be in your screen door in the winter or window, etc. and place it on top of the supers. 6) With some bricks, scrap wood, what have you, prop up the covered box about 15 degrees so that it would face the sun at around 1:00 in the afternoon. Make sure the melted wax will still run toward the holes in the pan. 7) Place your cappings in the cookie sheet evenly and not too high (so it won't overflow), replace the glass. 8) Let the sun do all the work. The 1/8 inch holes are small enogh to catch the slumgum but large enough to let the wax and residual honey through. the water in the pot will gather the additional slumgum or honey that gets through. When you are done you can set this liquid in your yard and the bees will take it if the flow is slow. you can also paint the inside of nucs that you use to catch swarms with it to improve the scent. When the wax is melted you just use a paint scraper to remove the slumgum from the cookie sheet (it's easier warm)and repeat the process if necessary to clean it up further. A strip of plastic or natural burlap sack can be used as a filter if placed towards the bottom of the pan. it doesn't need to be elaborate because the slumgum is so gummy. I have used this method many times as I have been way too busy this year to make a permanent solar melter. This is much sofer, cheaper and more time efficient than any method which requires fire and supervision. Any questions let me know Thom Bradley Tidewater Virginia and Elizabeth City, N.C. Article 9363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Careers in BeeKeeping Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:17:01 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 37 Message-ID: <33F8E5FD.F59@ix.netcom.com> References: <19970817025701.WAA08535@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va3-24.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 18 5:16:22 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9363 Lizleight wrote: > > I would like to learn about careers in BeeKeeping. Can anyone help me? > Can I make a living from this? How is the market segregated? Are there > any large commercial operations? > > Gratefully > Liz Liz, I don't know where you are from but almost every state has commercial beekeeping. It will be significantly different than hobbiest beekeeping. The best way to gain more information would be to contact your local extension agency and ask for information on the local beekeeping assoc. or state organization. You may also try your yellow pages for bee and wasp eradicators and go to your local and state fairs to contact people there who have a display. Try the loacal 4H chapter if none of that pans out. Also the agricutural department or entomology department at the state agricultural college. From these sources you should be able to contact more local beekeepers and get the knowledge first hand. If you are in NC or VA then perhaps I can point you in the correct direction myself. Yes, you can make a living manufacturing honey and byproducts, pollination but it is hard heavy work with long hours and your crop will still depend on the weather , disease and other uncontrollable factors. Not enough young people are entering the field to ensure farmers twenty years from now will be able to rent pollination. If you feel the calling please complete your analysis and fill us in. check out the server for the U. of Florida Entomology Dept. there is an old document there on the economics of a medium sized commercial operation. The numbers are too old but the form is excellent it will give you a great head start. Good Luck, hope I helped. Thom Bradley tidewter VA, Elizabeth City, NC Beekeeping Associations Article 9364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.156.128.20!news1.best.com!dailyplanet.wsrcc.com!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.pdx.oneworld.com!mackenzie.pioneer.net!root From: turtlet@pioneer.net (Two Turtles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:03:02 GMT Organization: Pioneer Telephone Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5tap2s$h7k@mackenzie.pioneer.net> References: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> <33F0EB9D.7DB2@ix.netcom.com> <33F3D655.DA6@telusplanet.net> <33F47036.1544@teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip201.pioneer.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9364 >> > of it last night. I will probably never use it again. I placed them >> > early this season and have colonies of mixed frame supers. Wax is drawn >> > and coated plastic ignored. They will, however, build burr on top of >> > it. >> > Thom Bradley Thom, although I am new at beekeeping and not qualified to give advice, I do believe that it's stated on the docs that come with the Pierco frames that mixing the frames (wood with Pierco) will only encourage the bees to ignore the plastic frames. I started five colonies out here in Deadwood Oregon (PNW), all of them on *undrawn* Pierco frames. I gave them tons of sugar water, as much as they wanted, for the first couple of months and they have all drawn out at least four full supers of the Pierco frames. I would suggest to anyone who's trying to use the Pierco frames that they use JUST the Pierco frames and see how that works for the colony. With respect Two Turtles BTW: This might sound like the dippy confessions of a newbie (both on the net and in the apiary) but I got on-line just so I could chat it up with the beekeepers of the world. So, glad to meet you everyone! Anyone wanting to talk bee-talk with someone in Western Oregon may feel free to correspond. Article 9365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!167.142.225.6!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:20:49 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 23 Message-ID: <33F8F4F1.87F1EDAA@hotmail.com> References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> <5t8ag8$7gk@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-60.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9365 Nicholas L. wrote: > Is it possible to buy a hive and bees and just let them go without > care > just for the sake of trying to replenish the bee population in the > east? Doing that may cause more harm than good. If bees are left without care, and contract parasites or diseases, it's likely that they'll contribute to the spread of those diseases/parasites, in the long run reducing the local bee population. Keeping and caring for bees needn't be a full-time job, but they do require at least a little care and attention. I'd suggest taking up beekeeping as a hobby (talk to local beekeepers about how to get started) and providing at least minimal care to your bees. Since you don't seem to be interested in doing this for the honey or the money, you don't need to concern yourself with preventing swarms, supering or harvesting. In the short time I've been keeping bees, those seem to be the most time- and labor-intensive aspects. -Drox Article 9366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.126!in2.uu.net!167.142.225.5!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new HTML online: 'The Life of the Bee,' Maeterlinck Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:31:12 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 14 Message-ID: <33F8F75F.A030123D@hotmail.com> References: <33f6fa86.836517@news.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-60.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9366 This is so neat! If I can credit (or blame) any one thing for inspiring my interest in bees and beekeeping, it is this book. (No I'm not that old - it was already a very old book when I read it) -Drox Eric Eldred wrote: > 'The Life of the Bee' by Maurice Maeterlinck, 1901, > in English translation by Alfred Sutro, now in HTML at: > http://www.tiac.net/users/eldred/mm/b.html Article 9367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!134.222.90.2!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!news2.funet.fi!not-for-mail From: teo2@mtt.fi (Seppo Korpela) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red Bees Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:13:09 GMT Organization: Agricultural Research Centre of Finland Lines: 26 Message-ID: <33f9352a.1982753@news2.funet.fi> References: <33F8D02F.5B45@bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.208.146.48 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9367 "John C. Bongiovanni" wrote: >Last week I put a bee escape on one of my hives to take off a super of >honey. The next day, sure enough, there were only about a dozen or so >bees left in the box and I removed it only to find that several of the >remaining bees were a deep red color (abdomen) almost a burgundy color. > >These are the only bees that I've ever seen at this colony (or any >other, for that matter) quite this color. I watched the hive closely >these last few days at the entrance and the only bees going in and out >are the normal golden yellow Italians. > >Any ideas? I wish I would have grabbed one and mounted it, but, alas, I >didn't. Last weekend I took bee samples for tracheal mite tests. We noticed the same phenomenon among these bees when cutting them: many of them had honey sack contents red in color. I assume the bees collect berry juices from raspberry that is readily available in the area. There is now lack of nectar plants (at least here) so bees might become interested in alternative sources of sweet substances. ------------------ Seppo Korpela Agricultural Research Center of Finland FIN-31600 Jokioinen Finland Article 9368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: 19 Aug 1997 12:20:49 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5tc331$s2f$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9368 In article , J. Edwards wrote: > >WE ARE DOING WORK ON PRODUCTION, SUPERCEDURE, POLLINATION, QUEEN >DEVELOPMENT >TIMES, COMPETITION, AGGRESSION, MITE TOLERANCE AND >RESISTANCE, and several other subjects. In our "spare time", we have to >attend mandatory sessions on AIDS-awareness, TQM fizzies, safety, >driviers safety, and whatever else the topheavy national "management" can >think up to create paperwork to justify their positions. John, what lab is this?? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:19:46 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <33F902C2.D69@ix.netcom.com> References: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> <33F0EB9D.7DB2@ix.netcom.com> <33F3D655.DA6@telusplanet.net> <33F47036.1544@teleport.com> <5tap2s$h7k@mackenzie.pioneer.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va2-07.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 18 7:19:07 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9369 Two Turtles wrote: > > >> > of it last night. I will probably never use it again. I placed them > >> > early this season and have colonies of mixed frame supers. Wax is drawn > >> > and coated plastic ignored. They will, however, build burr on top of > >> > it. > >> > Thom Bradley > > Thom, although I am new at beekeeping and not qualified to give > advice, I do believe that it's stated on the docs that come with the > Pierco frames that mixing the frames (wood with Pierco) will only > encourage the bees to ignore the plastic frames. > > I started five colonies out here in Deadwood Oregon (PNW), all of them > on *undrawn* Pierco frames. I gave them tons of sugar water, as much > as they wanted, for the first couple of months and they have all drawn > out at least four full supers of the Pierco frames. I would suggest > to anyone who's trying to use the Pierco frames that they use JUST the > Pierco frames and see how that works for the colony. > > With respect > Two Turtles > > BTW: This might sound like the dippy confessions of a newbie (both on > the net and in the apiary) but I got on-line just so I could chat it > up with the beekeepers of the world. So, glad to meet you everyone! > Anyone wanting to talk bee-talk with someone in Western Oregon may > feel free to correspond. Two Turtles you may be correct my frames did not arrive with documentation. Don't worry about being a newby we don't flame here. welcome thom Article 9370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.102!news2.chicago.cic.net!128.255.40.11!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Color of bees Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:35:48 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 18 Message-ID: <33F9AF44.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> References: <33F8D02F.5B45@bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tessa.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9370 This last weekend, my wife and I visited her grandfather. He just got back into the bees this year, and it is also my first year. He was happy to show us his hives, and as we approached the hives, I noticed that his bees were a much lighter color than mine. They were more of a tan/cream color (don't ask me, I'm red/green color blind), and appeared to have a more distinct banding due to what appeared to be more hair. I asked him what variety of bees they were, and he responded that they are three banded Italians. Okay, what gives? How can we both have ordered three banded Italians, and have such different looking bees? I noticed the difference in color at about 20 feet from his hive. Is this just normal variation within the strain, or did someone get slipped a different bee than ordered. I hope to take a picture of my bees, scan it in, and can provide the digital file to anyone who requests it in the format of their choice (will take a little time, though). -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 9371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!gtp23.bechtel.com!news From: Chris Benatar Subject: What is the price of Royal Jelly and other bee products? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 147.1.164.213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: news@bechtel.com (USENET News System) Reply-To: ctbenata@bechtel.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: EDS Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:23:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9371 Can someone give me an idea of approximatly how much royal jelly costs. If sold by the Kg what would the price per Kg be (assuming we are talking of say 10 Kilograms). I am thinking of unprocessed royal jelly and not the prices found in health food stores. I am trying to get an idea of the economics of producing royal jelly and commercial beekeeping. Anyone who has an idea of the price of the following (also in bulk quantities) please let me know. I am not looking for an exact price or a quote, just a general idea. Honey (In 1000 Kg lots) Pollen (In 1000 Kg lots) Propolis (In 10 Kg Lots) Bee venom (In grams) Wax (In 1000 Kg lots) and as mentioned above and most important, royal jelly in 10Kg lots. How much do farmers typically pay for pollinating their crop (per hive)? Anyone have any idea of how much hives cost when brought by the 1000? Is there anywhere on the web that deals with this? Regards Chris DE-SPAM email: ctbenata at bechtel dott com Article 9372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!eerie.fr!oleane!pressimage!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Next Apimondia Congress (Belgium - September 97) Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:55:09 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 46 Message-ID: <01bcacb0$606e6380$7e8ffcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: bdx2-126.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9372 All information : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/apiservices or if it's too busy or slow : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apiservices Items : Invitations by the President of APIMONDIA and the President of the XXXVth International Apicutural Congress •The organizing structure •Welcome to Antwerp - Belgium in the heart of Europe •Map of Antwerp •Dates, official languages, themes, events •Submission of papers for presentation •Apiexpo '97 •Didactic exhibition - Contests •Congress registration •Social events - Hotel reservations •Technical visits (Excursion day) •Excursions during the Congress •Pre- and Post-Congress tours •General information •What to do as a future Congress participant? Have a nice visit. And also on the same site : •A word from the President •Introduction to Apimondia •List of member associations •Apiacta •I.I.T.E.A. information •Books published by APIMONDIA •Resolutions from the XXXIV Congress in Lausanne •World honey markets •Bee museums •Information by country (8 out of 185 as of 10/07/97) •Codex Alimentarius Any suggestion : (\ {III8< (/ Ratia Gilles International beekeeping consultant APISERVICES "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - France Phone : (+33) 5 53 05 91 13 Mobile : (+33) 6 07 68 49 39 Fax : (+33) 5 53 04 44 57 Email : apiservices@compuserve.com URL 1 : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/apiservices URL 2 : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apiservices Article 9373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!158.152.1.94!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!doctors.demon.co.uk!nick From: Nick Mawby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: thymol for varroa control Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:23:53 +0100 Organization: Moorland Medical Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: doctors.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: doctors.demon.co.uk [194.222.21.228] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.09 Lines: 4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9373 Can anyone point me to research on use of thymol on its own for varroa control? -- Nick Mawby Article 9374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OP. National Honey Board Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:24:23 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 467 Message-ID: <33F9F2E7.A8E966D3@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-103-192.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------816C55321A16725EA3F91BC4" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9374 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------816C55321A16725EA3F91BC4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BEE HAPPY IN YOUR WORK!, but not every honey producer is happy and I have attached a Guest Editorial from the ABJ that was sent to me by the author to pass on to you. Jim Robertson has been a long time beekeepers whom I have known since his early days and he has been very active in local, state, and national beekeeper activities. His spin on the National Honey Board, the tax that supports is supported by many big and small beekeepers and is worth the read. If you have not seen it in the "American Bee Journal" I have attached it here and only hope your all have a program that will decode it for your own reading pleasure. ttul, Andy- --------------816C55321A16725EA3F91BC4 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Let97pb.wps" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Let97pb.wps" 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAIQAAAAAA AAAAEAAAIgAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAACAAAAD///////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////cpWgAY+AJBAAAAABlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwAA 6C0AALw+AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA6CoAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAADYAAGoAAAAANgAAagAAAGo2AAAAAAAAajYAAAAAAABqNgAAAAAAAGo2AAAAAAAA ajYAABQAAADUNgAAAAAAANQ2AAAAAAAA1DYAAAAAAADUNgAAAAAAANQ2AAAAAAAA1DYAAAoA AADeNgAAEAAAANQ2AAAAAAAABT4AADEAAADuNgAAAAAAAO42AAAAAAAA7jYAAAAAAADuNgAA AAAAAO42AAAAAAAA7jYAAAAAAADuNgAAAAAAAO42AAAAAAAAGzcAAAIAAAAdNwAAAAAAAB03 AAAAAAAAHTcAADIAAABPNwAATAMAAJs6AABMAwAA5z0AAB4AAAA2PgAAWAAAAI4+AAAuAAAA BT4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAajYAAAAAAADuNgAAAAAAAAAAGAAZAAEAAgDuNgAA AAAAAO42AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO42AAAAAAAA7jYAAAAAAAAFPgAAAAAAAO42 AAAAAAAAajYAAAAAAABqNgAAAAAAAO42AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO42AAAAAAAA 7jYAAAAAAADuNgAAAAAAAO42AAAAAAAA7jYAAAAAAABqNgAAAAAAAO42AAAAAAAAajYAAAAA AADuNgAAAAAAABs3AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADgjt/006y8AX42AAAgAAAAnjYAADYAAABqNgAA AAAAAGo2AAAAAAAAajYAAAAAAABqNgAAAAAAAO42AAAAAAAAGzcAAAAAAADuNgAALQAAAO42 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABMZXR0ZXIgdG8gdGhlIGVk aXRvcg1UaG91Z2h0cyBhbmQgcmVmbGVjdGlvbnMgb24gdGhlIGJlZSBidXNpbmVzcy4NTXkg bmFtZSBpcyBKaW0gUm9iZXJ0c29uIGFuZCBJIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBhIGNvbW1lcmNpYWwgYmVl a2VlcGVyIHdpdGggDTEsMDAwIGhpdmVzIG9yIG1vcmUgZm9yIDM1IHllYXJzLCBhbmQgaGF2 ZSBoYWQgYmVlcyBmb3IgNDUgeWVhcnMsIGhhdmluZyANY2F1Z2h0IGEgc3dhcm0gd2hlbiBJ IHdhcyAxMyB5ZWFycyBvbGQuIEkgY3VycmVudGx5IHJ1biBhYm91dCAzLDAwMCBoaXZlcw1N eSBicm90aGVyIGlzIGFsc28gaW4gdGhlIGJlZSBidXNpbmVzcyBydW5uaW5nIGFib3V0IDEs NzAwIGNvbG9uaWVzLg0NRXZlcnkgeWVhciBkdXJpbmcgdGhlIEFsbW9uZCBibG9vbSBpbiBD YWxpZm9ybmlhIHdlIGhlYXIgc3RvcmllcyBvZiBiZWVrZWVwZXJzIGN1dHRpbmcgdGhlIHBy aWNlIGluIG9yZGVyIHRvIHBsYWNlIHRoZWlyIGJlZXMgaW4gdGhlIGFsbW9uZHMuICBDdXJy ZW50bHkgdGhlIHBvbGxpbmF0aW9uIHByaWNlIGZvciBhbG1vbmRzIGlzIGFyb3VuZCAkNDAu MDAgcGVyIGNvbG9ueS4gIEJ1dCB0aGVyZSBhcmUgdGhlc2UgcGVvcGxlIHRoYXQgZmVlbCB0 aGUgb25seSB3YXkgdGhleSBjYW4gcmVudCB0aGVpciBiZWVzIGlzIHRvIGN1dCB0aGUgcHJp Y2UuDQ1UaGlzIGxhc3QgeWVhciB0aGUgcmVwb3J0ZWQgcHJpY2Ugd2FzIGZyb20gJDI4LjAw IHRvICQzNS4wMCBwZXIgY29sb255Lg1JIHByZXN1bWUgdGhlc2UgYmVla2VlcGVycyBrbm93 IHdoYXQgdGhlaXIgdGltZSBhbmQgdGhlaXIgYmVlcyBhcmUgd29ydGgsIGFuZCBzbyB0aGV5 IGFyZSBwcm9iYWJseSBjaGFyZ2luZyB0b28gbXVjaCwgYnV0IEkgYWx3YXlzIHdvbmRlciBp ZiBtYXliZSB0aGV5IGRpZG4ndCBmb3JnZXQgdG8gZmlndXJlIGluIGFsbCB0aGVpciBleHBl bnNlcy4NDVRoZSB3b3JkcyBpbiBhIGNvdW50cnkgc29uZyBnbywgIkl0IGRvbid0IG1hdHRl ciB3aGVyZSB5b3UgcGxheWVkIGJlZm9yZSBDYWxpZm9ybmlhIGlzIGEgYnJhbmQgbmV3IGdh bWUsIiBhbmQgYmVsaWV2ZSBtZSBpdCBjb3VsZG4ndCBiZSBtb3JlIHRydWUuICBJdCBzZWVt cyB0aGVyZSBhcmUgYSBudW1iZXIgb2YgdGhpbmdzIHRoYXQgd2lsbCBvY2N1ciBpZiB5b3Ug YXJlIGEgbWlncmF0b3J5DWJlZWtlZXBlciBhbmQgc3RheSBhdCBpdCBsb25nIGVub3VnaC4g IFRoaXMgeWVhciBpbiBDYWxpZm9ybmlhIHdhcyBhIGdvb2QgZXhhbXBsZS4gIFlvdSBjb3Vs ZCBoYXZlIGhhZCB5b3VyIGJlZXMgd2FzaGVkIGRvd24gcml2ZXIgaW4gdGhlIGZsb29kLCB0 aGVuIHNpeCB3ZWVrcyBsYXRlciBoYWQgdGhlbSBidXJuZWQgdXAgaW4gYSBmaXJlIGluIHRo ZSBzYW1lIGJlZSB5YXJkLiAgSWYgeW91IGhhdWwgYmVlcyBpbnRlcnN0YXRlLCBzb29uZXIg b3IgbGF0ZXIgeW91ciBnb2luZyB0byBsb3NlIGEgbG9hZCBvZiBiZWVzLCB0byB0cnVjayB3 cmVjay4gIFRoZSBTdGF0ZSBvZiBDYWxpZm9ybmlhIHdpbGwgYXQgc29tZSBwb2ludCB3YW50 IGEgcGllY2Ugb2YgeW91LCBhcyBpbiB0aGUgcGFzdCB0cmFjaGVhIG1pdGUgcXVhcmFudGlu ZS4gIExhc3QgeWVhciB0d28gbG9hZHMgd2VyZSBlcmFkaWNhdGVkIGZvciBmaXJlIGFudHMu ICAJV2hhdCB3aWxsIGl0IGJlIG5leHQgeWVhcj8/DQ1XaGF0IEkgYW0gZ2V0dGluZyBhdCBp cyB0aGF0IHRoZXNlIGFyZSBhbGwgZXhwZW5zZXMgYW5kIG5lZWQgdG8gYmUgZmlndXJlZCBp biBhbmQgYWRkZWQgdG8gdGhlIGNvbHVtbiByZWZlcnJlZCB0byBhcyBleHBlbnNlcy4gIEl0 IGlzIGEgZ29vZCBpZGVhIHRvIGFsc28gaW5jbHVkZSB5b3VyIHdhZ2VzIGFuZCByZXR1cm4g b24gZXF1aXBtZW50IChiZWVzKS4gICBXaGVuIGFsbCB0aGUgZXhwZW5zZXMgYXJlIGFkZGVk IHVwIGFuZCBkZWR1Y3RlZCBmcm9tIHRoZSBpbmNvbWUgc2lkZSwgdGhlb3JldGljYWxseSB0 aGVyZSBpcyBzdXBwb3NlZCB0byBiZSBzb21ldGhpbmcgbGVmdCBvdmVyIGNhbGxlZCBwcm9m aXQuICBJZiB0aGVyZSBpc24ndCB5b3VyIHdvcmtpbmcgDWZvciB0aGUgZnVuIG9mIGl0LCBi dXQgSSBndWVzcyB0aGF0J3MgdGhlIGJlZSBidXNpbmVzcy4gIEkgbmV2ZXIgZmlndXJlZCBv dXQgd2hhdCANSSBlbmpveWVkIG1vcmUgaW4gdGhlIGJlZSBidXNpbmVzcywgdGhlIGZyZWVk b20gb2YgYmVpbmcgeW91ciBvd24gYm9zcywgb3IgdGhlIHRocmlsbCBvZiBiZWluZyBicm9r ZS4gIFRoaXMgaXMgbm90IGEgbHVjcmF0aXZlIGJ1c2luZXNzIGd1eXMsIHNvIGxldHMgdHJ5 IHRvIGtlZXAgdGhlIHByaWNlIHVwIGFuZCBub3QgY3V0IHByaWNlcy4gIEluIHRoZSBhbG1v bmRzLCB3aGVuIGEgY29udHJhY3QgaXMgbG9zdCB0byBhIHByaWNlIGN1dHRlciwgaWYgeW91 IHN0aWNrIGl0IG91dCBhbmQgd2FpdCBhbmQgbGV0IGl0IGJlIGtub3duIHlvdSBoYXZlIHNv bWUgYmVlcyBsb29zZSwgcHJvdmlkaW5nIHlvdSBkb24ndCBoYXZlIGEgYmFkIHJlcHV0YXRp b24gKHByaWNlIGN1dHRlciwgdGhpZWYsIGV0Yy4pIHRoZXkgYWxsIHNlZW0gdG8gZ2V0IHJl bnRlZCBieSBibG9vbSB0aW1lIGF0IHlvdXIgcHJpY2UuICBUaGUgcHJpY2UgY3V0dGVyIGVu ZHMgdXAgZ2V0dGluZyBsZXNzIGZvciBoaXMuDQ1XaXRoIG1lbG9uIHBvbGxpbmF0aW9uIHdl IHdlcmUgZ2V0dGluZyAkMjIuMDAgcGVyIGNvbG9ueSAxMCB5ZWFycyBhZ28uICBUaGVuIHNv bWUgc21hcnQgZ3V5IGZpZ3VyZWQgaXQgb3V0IGFuZCBkZWNpZGVkIGhlIG5lZWRlZCBtb3Jl IHBvbGxlbi0NYXRpb24gc28gaGUgY2FtZSBpbiBhdCAkMTcuMDAgdGhlIGZpcnN0IHllYXIu ICBXZSBtZXQgaGlzIHByaWNlIHRvIGtlZXAgdGhlIGNvbnRyYWN0LiAgTmV4dCB5ZWFyIGhl IGNhbWUgaW4gYXQgJDEyLjAwLCB3ZSBzYWlkIHRha2UgaXQuICBOb3cgbXkgcXVlc3Rpb24g aXMsIHdoaWNoIG1ha2VzIG1vcmUgbW9uZXksIG9uZSByZW50YWwgYXQgJDIyLjAwIG9yIGRv aW5nIGxpa2UgdGhlIHNtYXJ0IGd1eSBpcyBkb2luZyAyIHJlbnRhbHMsIGFuZCBzb21lIDMg cmVudGFscyBhdCAkMTIuMDANDUlmIHlvdXIgYW5zd2VyIGlzICQyNC4wMCBvciB0aGUgJDM2 LjAwIGRlYWwgb24gMiBvciAzIHJlbnRhbHMgeW91IG9idmlvdXNseSANZG9uJ3QgdW5kZXJz dGFuZCB0aGUgaW5zIGFuZCBvdXQncyBvZiBtZWxvbiBwb2xsaW5hdGlvbi4gIFR3byBhbmQg MyBzZXRzIGFyZSByb3VnaCBvbiBiZWVzLCB0aGV5IGRvbid0IG1ha2UgbXVjaCBob25leSBh bmQgd2ludGVyIGxvc3NlcyBhcmUgaGlnaGVyLiAgT25lIHNldCBwYXlzIGJldHRlci8gdGhl eSBtYWtlIG1vcmUgaG9uZXksIHdpdGggbG93ZXIgd2ludGVyIGxvc3Nlcy4gIFlvdSBkb24n dCBsb3NlIGEgJDQwLjAwIGFsbW9uZCBwb2xsaW5hdGlvbiBmb3IgYSAkMTIuMDAgIG1lbG9u IHBvbGxpbmF0aW9uLiAgT25lIG9yIHR3byBvdGhlciBiZWVrZWVwZXJzIHdvdWxkIGFsc28g Z2V0IHRvIGRvIHNvbWUgbWVsb24gcG9sbGluYXRpb24gYW5kIGluY3JlYXNlIHRoZWlyIGlu Y29tZS4gIFRoZSBkaWZmZXJlbmNlIGluIGNvc3QgdG8gdGhlIGdyb3dlciwgYXQgMS8yIHRv IDEgY29sb255IHBlciBhY3JlLCBpcyAkNS4wMCB0byAkMTAuMDAgcGVyIGFjcmUgaGlnaGVy LiBUaGlzIGlzIGFib3V0IHRoZSBjb3N0IG9mIHBhY2tpbmcgMi0zIGNyYXRlcyBvZiBtZWxv bnMgKGRlcGVuZGluZyBvbiB0aGUgcXVhbGl0eSBvZiB5b3VyIGJlZXMgYW5kIHRoZSBhYmls aXR5IG9mIHRoZSBncm93ZXIsIHRoZSBmaWVsZCB3aWxsIHlpZWxkIDMwMC03MDAgY3JhdGVz IHBlciBhY3JlKS4NV2hhdCBpdCBib2lscyBkb3duIHRvIGd1eXMgaXMgdGhhdCB3aGVuIHlv dSBjdXQgcHJpY2UgeW91IGN1dCB5b3VyIG93biB0aHJvYXQuICANDVdoaWNoIGJyaW5ncyB1 cyBhcm91bmQgdG8gdGhlIGhvbmV5IGFzcGVjdHMuDQ1JbiBteSBvcGluaW9uIFRoZSBBbnRp LUR1bXBpbmcgQWN0aW9uIHdhcyB0aGUgYmVzdCBpbnZlc3RtZW50IGEgYmVla2VlcGVyIGNv dWxkIGhhdmUgbWFkZSBpbiBoaXMgYnVzaW5lc3MuICBUaGUgY29udGludWF0aW9uIGFuZCBl bmZvcmNlbWVudCBvZiBpdCBjb250aW51ZXMgdG8gYmUgdGhlIGJlc3QgcG9zc2libGUgcmV0 dXJuIG9uIG91ciBtb25leS4gIFRoYW5rcyB0byB0aGUgdW50aXJpbmcgYWN0aW9ucyBvZiBE b24gU2NobWl0LCBSaWNoYXJkIEFkZWUsICYgVHJveSBGb3JlIGRvaW5nIHRoZWlyIGJlc3Qg aXQgYmVjYW1lIGEgcmVhbGl0eSwgYnV0IHJlYWxpc3RpY2FsbHkgdGhlIGFudGktZHVtcGlu ZyAgYWN0aW9uIHdhcyBhIG1vbWVudCBpbiB0aW1lLiAgSXQgaGFwcGVuZWQgYXQgdGhlIHJp Z2h0IHBsYWNlLCByaWdodCB0aW1lLCByaWdodCBhY3Rpb24uIExhdGVyIGl0IHdvdWxkIG5v dCBoYXZlIGZsb3duLiAgQnkgaXRzZWxmIGl0IHdvdWxkIGhhdmUgcmFpc2VkIHRoZSBwcmlj ZSBvZiBob25leSB0byB0aGUgNjItNjVjZW50cyByYW5nZSwgYnV0IGZ1ZWxlZCBieSB3aGF0 IGFwcGVhcnMgbm93IHRvIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBhIHZlcnkgc2hvcnQgdGVybSB3b3JsZCBob25l eSBzaG9ydGFnZSwgYSBwc3ljaG9sb2dpY2FsIG1hcmtldCB0b29rIG9mZiwgYW5kIGNvdXBs ZWQgd2l0aCBhIGhvbmV5IGJ1eWVycycgZ3JlZWQgYW5kIHRoZSBkZXNpcmUgdGhhdCBlYWNo IG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgcGFja2VycyBoYXMgdG8gc2VsbCBhbGwgdGhlIGhvbmV5IGluIHRoZSB3 b3JsZC4gIEFzIHRoZSBwcmljZSByb3NlIGJlZWtlZXBlcnMgc3RhcnRlZCBob2xkaW5nIGhv bmV5IGZvciBoaWdoZXIgcHJpY2VzIHdoaWNoIGZ1ZWxlZCB0aGUgc2hvcnRhZ2UgYW5kIGZv ciBvbmNlIGdvb2QgbWFya2V0aW5nIHdhcyBwYXlpbmcgb2ZmLiAgQnV0IGJlaW5nIGdyZWVk eSBzb25zIG9mIGd1bnMtLXdlIHNob3Qgb3Vyc2VsdmVzIGluIHRoZSBmb290LCBnb3QgdGhl IHByaWNlIGhpZ2ggZW5vdWdoIHdoZXJlIGhvbmV5IHdhcyBub3QgYSBnb29kIGRlYWwgYW5k IGNvbnN1bXB0aW9uIHNsaXBwZWQuICBBdCA0NyBjZW50cyBob25leSB3YXMgdGhlIGJlc3Qg c3dlZXRlbmVyIGJ1eSBvbiB0aGUgbWFya2V0IChsaWtlIHNlbGxpbmcgd2FybSBjb2F0cyBv biBhIGNvbGQgZGF5KS4gIEludGVyZXN0aW5nIGVub3VnaCBldmVuIHdpdGggaG9uZXkgYmVp bmcgc3VjaCBhIGdvb2QgZGVhbCB3ZSBzdGlsbCBkaWRuJ3QgcnVuIG92ZXIgdGhlIDMwMCBt aWxsaW9uIHBvdW5kIG1hcmsuICBUaGlzIGhhcyBiZWVuIHRoZSBhdmVyYWdlIGZvciBsYXN0 IGhvdyBtYW55IHllYXJzPz8/ICBJIGRvbid0IGhhdmUgYWxsIHRoZSBuZWF0IGluZm9ybWF0 aW9uIHRoYXQgdGhlIGJpZyBwZW9wbGUgZ2V0OyBJIGp1c3Qga25vdyB3aGF0IEkgcmVhZCBp biB0aGUgbmV3c3BhcGVycyBhbmQgbGVhcm4gZnJvbSB0YWxraW5nIHRvIGJlZWtlZXBlcnMg YW5kIGhvbmV5IHBhY2tlcnMgYW5kIGl0IGFwcGVhcnMgdGhhdCBob25leSBzYWxlcyBzbGlw cGVkIHRvIGFib3V0IHRoZSAyNzUgbWlsbGlvbiBsYi4gbWFyayBsYXN0IHllYXIsIHdpdGgg MTYwIG1pbGxpb24gbGJzLiBpbXBvcnRlZC4gIFByb3NwZWN0cyBmb3IgMTk5NyBkb24ndCBs b29rIHJlYWwgYnJpZ2h0IHdpdGggYSBmYWlybHkgbGFyZ2UgYmVla2VlcGVyIGhvbGQtIG92 ZXIgaW50byAxOTk3LCBhbmQgdGhlIGhpZ2ggcGFja2VyIGludmVudG9yeSBnb2luZyBpbnRv IDE5OTcgY291cGxlZCB3aXRoIGhpZ2ggaW1wb3J0cyBmcm9tIEFyZ2VudGlhIGF0IGxvd2Vy IHByaWNlcyA2OC03NSBjZW50IHJhbmdlLg0NSWYgd2UganVzdCBoYXZlIGFuIGF2ZXJhZ2Ug Y3JvcCBvZiAyMDAgbWlsbGlvbiBsYnMuIHdlIGNvdWxkIGVuZCB1cCB3aXRoIGEgMTAwIG1p bGxpb24gb3IgbW9yZSBzdXJwbHVzIGJ5IGZhbGwgb2YgMTk5Ny4gIEJlIGtpbmQgb2YgbGlr ZSB0aGUgb2xkIGRheXMgd2hlbiB5b3UgY291bGRuJ3QgZ2l2ZSBob25leSBhd2F5Lg0NV2hp Y2ggYnJpbmdzIHVzIHRvIHRoZSBxdWVzdGlvbiBhYm91dCB0aGUgSG9uZXkgQm9hcmQuICBU aGV5IHdhbnRlZCB0bw10YWtlIGNyZWRpdCBmb3IgdGhpcyBiaWcganVtcCBpbiBob25leSBw cmljZS4gIFdpbGwgdGhleSB3YW50IGNyZWRpdCBmb3IgdGhpcyBjdXJyZW50IGRyb3AgaW4g aG9uZXkgcHJpY2UgYW5kIHNsb3cgZG93biBpbiBzYWxlcz8/PyAgUGVyc29uYWxseSBJIGhh dmUgYWx3YXlzIGhhZCBzZXJpb3VzIHF1ZXN0aW9ucyBhcyB0byB0aGUgdmFsdWUgb2YgdGhl IE5hdGlvbmFsIEhvbmV5IEJvYXJkLg1JIHBlcnNvbmFsbHkgY2FuJ3Qgc2VlIHdoZXJlIHRo ZXkgaGF2ZSBoZWxwZWQgbXkgaG9uZXkgc2FsZXMuICBJIGhhdmUgaGFkIHRvIHBheSBpbnRv IGl0IGFib3V0ICQyMCwwMDAuMDAgaW4gdGhlIGxhc3QgMTAgeWVhcnMuICBJIGFtIHN1cmUg bXkgd2lmZSBhbmQga2lkcyBjb3VsZCBoYXZlIGZpZ3VyZWQgb3V0IGEgcGxhY2UgdG8gc3Bl bmQgaXQgd2l0aCBtb3JlIGJlbmVmaXQuICAgSSB3YXMgcXVpdGUgaW1wcmVzc2VkIHdpdGgg RGFuIEhhbGwsIHdoZW4gaXQgZmlyc3Qgc3RhcnRlZCwgYnV0IGhlIHdhcyBmaXJlZCwgYW5k IGl0IHNlZW1zIEkgd2FzIGdvb2QgZW5vdWdoIHRvIHBheSBhc3Nlc3NtZW50IHRvIGtlZXAg dGhlIEhvbmV5IEJvYXJkIGdvaW5nIGJ1dCBJIHdhcyBuZXZlciBnb29kIGVub3VnaCB0byBi ZSB0b2xkIHdoeSBoZSB3YXMgZmlyZWQhISEhISAgSWYgSSBhbSBwYXlpbmcgdGhlIGJpbGxz IEkgd2FudCB0byBrbm93IHdoYXQgaXMgZ29pbmcgb24gYW5kIHdoeSEhISEhDQ1UaGUgY3Vy cmVudCBpZGVhIGlzIHRvIHJhaXNlIHRoZSBhc3Nlc3NtZW50IGFub3RoZXIgcGVubnkgYW5k IGluY3JlYXNlIHBhY2tlciByZXByZXNlbnRhdGlvbi4gIEluc3RlYWQgb2YgdGhlIGN1cnJl bnQgJDYuMzAgYSBiYXJyZWwgb2YgaG9uZXkgaWYgcGFzc2VkLCB5b3Ugd2lsbCBiZSBwYXlp bmcgJDEyLjYwIHBlciBiYXJyZWwgKG11bHRpcGx5IGJ5IG51bWJlciBvZiBiYXJyZWxzIHBy b2R1Y2VkIGVhY2ggeWVhciBhbmQgeW91IHdpbGwgaGF2ZSB5b3VyIGhvbmV5IHRheCBiaWxs KS4NSW5jcmVhc2luZyB0aGUgcGFja2VyIHJlcHJlc2VudGF0aW9uIG9uIHRoZSBib2FyZCB3 aWxsIGJlIHR1cm5pbmcgdGhlIGhvbmV5IGJvYXJkIG92ZXIgdG8gdGhlIHBhY2tlcnMgd2hp Y2ggbWF5IGJlIHdoZXJlIGl0IGlzIG5vdyBhbHJlYWR5LiAgV2UgYXJlIHByb21vdGluZyB0 aGUgc2FsZSBvZiBDSEVBUCBGT1JFSUdOIEhPTkVZLg0NVGhlIHBhY2tlcnMsIGluIGNhc2Ug YW55IG9mIHlvdSBoYXZlIG5vdCBnaXZlbiBpdCBhbnkgdGhvdWdodCwgKHdpdGggdGhlIGV4 Y2VwdGlvbiBvZiBhIGZldyB3aG8gc3VwcG9ydCB0aGUgVS4gUy4gYmVlIGJ1c2luZXNzLCBi dXQgaGF2ZSB0byBjb21wZXRlIHdpdGggdGhlIG90aGVyIHBhY2tlcnMgYXQgcXVlc3Rpb25h YmxlIHZhbHVlcykgd291bGQganVzdCBhcyBzb29uIHNlZSB0aGUgcHJpY2Ugb2YgaG9uZXkg bG93ZXIuICBUaGV5IG9wZXJhdGUgb24gYSBzcHJlYWQgd2hlcmUgaXQgZG9lcyBub3QgcmVh bGx5IG1hdHRlciB3aGF0IHRoZSBjb3N0IG9mIHByb2R1Y3Rpb24gaXMsIGJ1dCB0aGVyZSBp cyBhIGxhcmdlciB2b2x1bWUgd2l0aCBsb3dlciBwcmljZS4gIEFzIHdlIGdvIHRocm91Z2gg dGhlc2VzIHByaWNlIGNoYW5nZXMgcmVtZW1iZXIgdGhlIHBhY2tlcnMgd2hvIHN0YXllZCB3 aXRoIHlvdSBhbmQgc3VwcG9ydGVkIHRoZSBpbmR1c3RyeS4gIEdpdmUgdGhlbSBhIGJyZWFr IGlmIHlvdSBjYW4gYW5kIA0NRE9OJ1QgRk9SR0VUIFRIRSBPTkVTIFdITyBTVFVDSyBJVCBU TyBZT1UuDQ1UaGUgb3RoZXIgYXJlYSB3aGVyZSB0aGUgcGxhbiBpcyB0byBzcGVuZCBvdXIg bW9uZXkgaXMgZm9yIHJlc2VhcmNoLiAgTm93IHJlYWxseSEhICBUaGUgQVJTIGFscmVhZHkg aGFzIGEgNC41IG1pbGxpb24gZG9sbGFyIGJ1ZGdldCBmb3IgYmVlIHJlc2VhcmNoLiAgSSBh bSBvbGQgZmFzaGlvbmVkIGFuZCBpZ25vcmFudCBlbm91Z2ggdG8gc3RpbGwgYmVsaWV2ZSB0 aGF0IDQgMS8yIG1pbGxpb24gZG9sbGFycyBpcyBhIGxvdCBvZiBtb25leS4gIEFsc28gdGhl cmUgaXMgYW4gYWRkaXRpb25hbCBtaWxsaW9uIGZvciBBZnJpY2FuIGJlZSwgeWV0IHRoZXkg c2F5IHRoZXkgaGF2ZSBvbmx5ICQxNSwwMDAgcGVyIHJlc2VhcmNoZXIgZm9yIHJlc2VhcmNo LiAgU291bmRzIHRvIG1lIGxpa2UgdGltZSBmb3Igc29tZSBob3VzZSBjbGVhbmluZywgbm90 IGFkZGl0aW9uYWwgcmVzZWFyY2ggbW9uZXkgdG8gYmUgYmxvd24uDQ1RdWVzdGlvbiwgd2hh dCB3YXMgdGhlIGxhc3QgcmVzZWFyY2ggZG9uZSB0aGF0IGFjdHVhbGx5IG1hZGUgeW91IHNv bWUgbW9uZXk/ICAgIE5vdyBkb24ndCBzYXkgYXBpc3RhbiwgYmVjYXVzZSB0aGF0IGNhbWUg ZnJvbSBFdXJvcGUgYW5kIEkgd291bGQgaG9wZSB0aGF0IHBhcnQgb2YgdGhhdCAkMS41MCB3 ZSBzcGVuZCBwZXIgc3RyaXAgKGNvc3Qgb2YgcHJvZHVjdGlvbiwgbWF5YmUgNSBjZW50cykg ZG9lc24ndCBhbGwgZ28gdG8gcHJvZml0LCB0aGF0IFNhbmRveiBkb2VzIHNwZW5kIHNvbWUg Zm9yIHByb2R1Y3QgcmVzZWFyY2guICBFdmVyeXRoaW5nIEkgZG8gaW4gbXkgb3V0Zml0IEkg bGVhcm5lZCBmcm9tIGFub3RoZXIgYmVla2VlcGVyLiAgSGF2aW5nIGhhZCBhIFNjb3R0aXNo IGdyYW5kZmF0aGVyLCBJIGxpa2UgdG8gZ2V0IGEgZG9sbGFyIHZhbHVlIGZvciBhIGRvbGxh ciBzcGVudCwgSSBkb24ndCBzZWUgd2hlcmUgdGhpcyBoYXMgYmVlbiBoYXBwZW5pbmcuICAN DUkgd2FzIG9uY2UgdG9sZCB0aGF0IDMwJSBvZiB0aGUgYmVlciBkcmlua2VycyBkcmluayA4 MCUgb2YgdGhlIGJlZXIsIEkgYW0gaW5jbGluZWQgdG8gYmVsaWV2ZSB0aGlzLiBJIGhhdmUg a25vd24gcGVvcGxlIHdobyBkcmluayA0IGJlZXJzIGJlZm9yZSBicmVha2Zhc3QuICBJIGRy aW5rIGFib3V0IDQgYmVlcnMgYSB5ZWFyIGJ1dCBJIGRvIGVhdCBsb3RzIG9mIGhvbmV5LiAg VGhlIHJlYXNvbiBJIGVhdCBpdCBpcyBiZWNhdXNlIEkgYmVsaWV2ZSBpdCBpcyBnb29kIGZv ciBtZSBhcyB3ZWxsIGFzIEkgbGlrZSBpdC4gIEl0IGhhcyBiZWVuIG15IG9ic2VydmF0aW9u IHRoYXQgbW9zdCByZWFsIGhvbmV5IGVhdGVycywgKDMwLTYwIGxicy4pIGEgeWVhciBhcmUg aGVhbHRoIGZvb2QgZW50aHVzaWFzdHMuICBJIHdvdWxkIGJlIGdpdmluZyBhd2F5IEQuIEMu IEphcnZpcydzICJWZXJtb250IEZvbGsgTWVkaWNpbmUiIGJvb2sgaW5zdGVhZCBvZiBjb29r IGJvb2tzIGlmIEkgd2FzIHRvIHRyeSBhbmQgcHJvbW90ZSBob25leS4gIEhlIGhhcyBiZWVu IG91ciBiZXN0IGhvbmV5IHNhbGVzbWFuIGFuZCBoYXNuJ3QgY29zdCB1cyBhIGRpbWUuICBK YXJ2aXMgZW5jb3VyYWdlcyB0aGUgdXNlIG9mIHJhdyB1bmZpbHRlcmVkIGxvY2FsIGhvbmV5 LCBhIHRlYXNwb29uIGV2ZXJ5IG1vcm5pbmcgd2l0aCBuYXR1cmFsIHVuZmlsdGVyZWQgYXBw bGUgY2lkZXIgdmluZWdhci4gICANDVRoZSBtb3N0IGVmZmVjdGl2ZSBob25leSBwcm9tb3Rp b24gdGhleSBjb3VsZCBkbywgaWYgcGFja2VycyByZWFsbHkgY2FyZWQgYWJvdXQgdGhlaXIg YnVzaW5lc3MgYW5kIGNvdWxkIGFncmVlIG9uIGFueXRoaW5nIG90aGVyIHRoYW4gdG8gY29s bGVjdCBtb25leSB0byBwcm9tb3RlIGhvbmV5IHNhbGVzIGZyb20gdGhlIGJlZWtlZXBlcnMs IHdvdWxkIGJlIHRvIHN1YnNpZGl6ZSB0aGUgcG9ydGlvbiBwYWNrIHBhcnQgb2YgdGhlIGlu ZHVzdHJ5LCB0byBlbmFibGUgbm90aGluZyBidXQgdGhlIGZpbmVzdCBob25leSBhdmFpbGFi bGUgdG8gYmUgcGFja2VkIGluIHRoZXNlIGluZGl2aWR1YWwgc2VydmluZyBjb250YWluZXJz LCBsaWtlIG91ciBDYWxpZm9ybmlhIHNhZ2UsIG9yYW5nZSwgc29tZSBvZiBPbGl2ZXIgSGls bCdzIGZpbmUgc3RhciB0aGlzdGxlLCBvciBNb250YW5hIGNsb3ZlciwgeW91IGdldCB0aGUg aWRlYS4gIFNvIHRoYXQgYWZ0ZXIgYSBwZXJzb24gZWF0cyBzb21lIGhvbmV5IGluIGEgcmVz dGF1cmFudCwgdGhleSBzaG91bGQgc2F5ICJ0aGF0J3MgZ29vZCIgYW5kIHN0b3Agb24gdGhl IHdheSBob21lIHRvIGJ1eSBzb21lIGhvbmV5LiAgQXMgYSBiZWVrZWVwZXIgSSBhbSBzdXJl IHlvdSBoYXZlIGFsbCBleHBlcmllbmNlZCB0YWxraW5nIHdpdGggdGhlIHBlb3BsZSB5b3Ug Z2l2ZSBsb2NhdGlvbiBob25leSB0byBhbmQgaGF2ZSBoZWFyZCB0aGVtIHRlbGwgeW91IG1h bnkgdGltZXMgaG93IGdvb2QgeW91ciBob25leSBpcywgbm90IGF0IGFsbCBsaWtlIHRoZXkg Z2V0IGF0IHRoZSBzdG9yZS4gIFBhY2tlcnMsIHRoaXMgaXMgeW91ciBmYXVsdCwgc29tZSBv ZiB5b3UgZm9yZ2V0IHRvIHBhY2sgcXVhbGl0eS4NDU9uIHRoaXMgbGFzdCBIb25leSBCb2Fy ZCByZWZlcmVuZHVtIG15IGJyb3RoZXIgc2FpZCBhZnRlciByZWFkaW5nIHRoZSBkaWZmZXJl bnQgYXJ0aWNsZXMsIHdlIG11c3QgYmUgdGhlIG9ubHkgb25lcyB2b3RpbmcgYWdhaW5zdCBp dC4gIFNpbmNlIHRoZW4gSSBoYXZlIHRhbGtlZCB0byBhIGxvdCBvZiBwZW9wbGUgd2hvIGhh dmUgc2FpZCB0aGV5IHZvdGVkIGFnYWluc3QgaXQgdG9vLiAgU29tZWhvdyB0aGUgbnVtYmVy cyBoYXZlIG5vdCBiZWVuIGNvbWluZyBvdXQgcmlnaHQuICBNYXliZSBtb3N0IG9mIHRoZSBw ZW9wbGUgSSBrbm93IGFyZSBhIGJ1bmNoIG9mIHJlZCBuZWNrcywgYnV0IEkgd291bGQgbGlr ZSB0byBjaGVjayBpbnRvIGl0LiAgIElmIHlvdSB2b3RlZCBhZ2FpbnN0IHRoZSBIb25leSBC b2FyZCByZWZlcmVuZHVtIHNlbmQgbWUgYSBjYXJkIG9yIGVtYWlsIG1lc3NhZ2Ugd2l0aCB5 b3VyIG5hbWUgYW5kIHBvdW5kcyB0bzoNDQkJSmltIFJvYmVydHNvbg0JCTE0NzAwIE4gSHVk c29uIEF2ZQ0JCURvcyBQYWxvcywgQ0EgOTM2MjAtOTQyMA0JCQ0JCVBob25lICgyMDkpIDM5 Mi0yNDQxIAkNCQlGQVggKDIwOSkgMzkyLTM2MTcNCQlFLW1haWw6IFJpa2VyMTdAaW5yZWFj aC5jb20NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHQChAQCXAJ04BKTQL6XgPaYIB6cIB6ig BamgBaoAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAwAA6C0AAB8uAAD9+wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnUBAANjHAAAAgADAAAVAwAAQwMAAIkDAADTAwAAHQQAAGIE AABjBAAAnAUAAJ0FAADlBQAArAYAAK0GAACOBwAAgwkAAIQJAAAACwAAUwsAAEwNAABNDQAA 2w0AAPIOAADzDgAAQA8AAOARAAAxEgAAMhIAAF8SAABgEgAAhhkAAIcZAABAGgAAQRoAAIga AABpGwAAZh0AAGcdAAB/HgAAPh8AAD8fAABLIQAATCEAAHchAAB4IQAASCMAAPwAAcAhSwH8 AAHAIUsB+QABwCFLAfkAAcAhSwH5AAHAIUsB+QABwCFLAfkAAcAhSwH5AAXAIUsB+QABwCFL AfkAAcAhSwH5AAPAIUsB+QABwCFLAfkAA8AhSwH5AAfAIUsB+QABwCFLAfkABcAhSwH5AAHA IUsB+QAHwCFLAfkAAcAhSwH5AALAIUsB+QAEwCFLAfkAAcAhSwH5AAHAIUsB+QAJwCFLAfkA AsAhSwH5AAHAIUsB+QABwCFLAfkAAcAhSwH5ABnAIUsB+QABwCFLAfkAA8AhSwH5AAHAIUsB +QABwCFLAfkAA8AhSwH5AAfAIUsB+QABwCFLAfkABMAhSwH5AAPAIUsB+QABwCFLAfkACMAh SwH5AAHAIUsB/AABwCFLAfkAAcAhSwH5AAbAIUsBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAADMAAAMAAAUBMwAs SCMAAEkjAAA8JQAAPSUAAA8oAAAQKAAAeCsAAHkrAABYLQAAWS0AAGktAAB+LQAAmS0AAJwt AAC1LQAAyi0AAOgtAAD9AAHAIUsB/QAHwCFLAf0AAcAhSwH9AArAIUsB/QABwCFLAf0ADMAh SwH9AAHAIUsB/QAHwCFLAf0AAcAhSwH9AAHAIUsB/QABwCFLAf0AAcAhSwH9AAHAIUsB/QAB wCFLAf0AAcAhSwH9AAHAIUsBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAzABAOAA8ACAABAEsADwAAAAAAGgAAQPH/AgAaAAZO b3JtYWwAAgAAAAMAYQkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIAQUDy/6EAIgAWRGVmYXVsdCBQ YXJhZ3JhcGggRm9udAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOgqAAAEAAAuAAABAP////8FAAQg//8BAAAg //8CAAQg//8DAAAg//8EAAQg//8FAAAAAACMCQAAPxMAANMcAAA3JgAA6CoAAAAAwAAAAAEA RwMAAAIAeAEAAAMAQQIAAAQAAAAAAAADAAAfLgAAGAAAAwAASCMAAOgtAAAZABoALQANQW5k eSBOYWNoYmF1chxEOlxldWRvcmFcQXR0YWNoXExldDk3cGIud3Bz/0BBcHBsZSBMYXNlcldy aXRlcgBMUFQxOgBQU0NSSVBUAEFwcGxlIExhc2VyV3JpdGVyAEFwcGxlIExhc2VyV3JpdGVy AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQDBJQAuAIfZwAAAQABAOoKbwhkAAEABwAsAQEAAQAsAQMAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAAGAJAADkDAAAAQAAAAAAAAAB AAAAAgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADuWm2TfQypYs3yAgABAAEAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAIAAgAB AFgCAADCAQAAAAAAAAAAZAAAAAAAAAD//wAA//8AAP//AAD//wAA//8AAP//AAD//wAA//8A AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP//Q3VzdG9tIHBh Z2UgMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAkEIAAJBCAAAAAAAAQ3VzdG9tIHBhZ2UgMgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkEIAAJBCAAAAAAAAQ3VzdG9tIHBhZ2UgMwAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkEIA AJBCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBcHBsZSBMYXNlcldyaXRlcgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAwSU ALgCH2cAAAEAAQDqCm8IZAABAAcALAEBAAEALAEDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgAAABgCQAA5AwAAAEAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAA7lptk30MqWLN8gIAAQABAAAAAAABAAAAAAACAAIAAQBYAgAAwgEAAAAAAAAAAGQAAAAA AAAA//8AAP//AAD//wAA//8AAP//AAD//wAA//8AAP//AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD//0N1c3RvbSBwYWdlIDEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJBCAACQQgAAAAAAAEN1c3Rv bSBwYWdlIDIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAJBCAACQQgAAAAAAAEN1c3RvbSBwYWdlIDMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJBCAACQQgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAB AAAAAAAAAAAACAABAAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMQAVFpABAABUaW1lcyBOZXcgUm9tYW4ADBaQ AQIAU3ltYm9sAAsmkAEAAEFyaWFsACIABAABAIgYAADQAgAAaAEAAAAAC5sYRg2bGEYAAAAA AgACAAAANAYAAGEjAAAFABIAAAAEAIMASwAAAAAAAAAAAAAABQABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAkAwAA AAAuAAAAAAAAAA1BbmR5IE5hY2hiYXVyDUFuZHkgTmFjaGJhdXIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAIA AAADAAAABAAAAAUAAAAGAAAABwAAAAgAAAAJAAAACgAAAAsAAAAMAAAADQAAAA4AAAAPAAAA EAAAABEAAAASAAAAEwAAABQAAAAVAAAAFgAAABcAAAAYAAAAGQAAABoAAAAbAAAAHAAAAB0A AAAeAAAAHwAAAP7////9////JAAAAP7///8sAAAA/v////////////////////////////// ///////////+//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////9SAG8AbwB0ACAARQBuAHQAcgB5AAAAAAB8BQAACAcAAEUA AABYKgAAWSoAAAgAAAAAAAAA//8AAP////8AwAAAFgAFAf//////////AQAAAAAJAgAAAAAA wAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAgDemQ8asvAHgjt/006y8ASMAAABAAwAAWSoAAFcAbwByAGQARABvAGMA dQBtAGUAbgB0AAAAAQD/////AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA0ALAIQAAAAAaAAIB AgAAAAMAAAD/////RQAAAGkqAAB+KgAACAAAAAAAAAD//wAA/////wDAAAAAYAEAAAAAALw+ AAAAAAAAAQBDAG8AbQBwAE8AYgBqAAAAwCEAAAAAAAAAAHcBAABLBgAACAcAAEUAAAB+KgAA mSoAAAgAAAAAAAAA//8AABIAAgH///////////////8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAagAAAAgHAAAFAFMAdQBtAG0AYQByAHkASQBuAGYAbwByAG0A YQB0AGkAbwBuAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKAACAf////8EAAAA/////9UG AAAIBwAARQAAAJwqAAC1KgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAAACwAQAA/////wEAAAD+//// AwAAAAQAAAAFAAAABgAAAAcAAAAIAAAA/v///woAAAALAAAADAAAAP7///////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////AQD+/wMKAAD/////AAkCAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARhgAAABNaWNy b3NvZnQgV29yZCBEb2N1bWVudAAKAAAATVNXb3JkRG9jABAAAABXb3JkLkRvY3VtZW50LjYA 9DmycQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD+/wAABAACAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAABAAAA4IWf8vlPaBCrkQgAKyez2TAAAACAAQAAEQAAAAEAAACQAAAAAgAAAJgA AAADAAAApAAAAAQAAACwAAAABQAAAMgAAAAGAAAA1AAAAAcAAADgAAAACAAAAPAAAAAJAAAA CAEAABIAAAAUAQAACgAAADwBAAAMAAAASAEAAA0AAABUAQAADgAAAGABAAAPAAAAaAEAABAA AABwAQAAEwAAAHgBAAACAAAA5AQAAB4AAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AAAABAAAAADQ2Mh4AAAAOAAAA QW5keSBOYWNoYmF1cgAIAB4AAAABAAAAADAwnR4AAAABAAAAAD9EAB4AAAAHAAAATm9ybWFs AAAeAAAADgAAAEFuZHkgTmFjaGJhdXIAAAAeAAAAAgAAADIARgAeAAAAHgAAAE1pY3Jvc29m dCBXb3JkIGZvciBXaW5kb3dzIDk1AEAAQAAAAACMhkcAAAAAQAAAAAA6E6EFAEQAbwBjAHUA bQBlAG4AdABTAHUAbQBtAGEAcgB5AEkAbgBmAG8AcgBtAGEAdABpAG8AbgAAAAAAAAAAAAAA OAACAP///////////////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkA AADcAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA////////////////AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD///////////// //8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAP///////////////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP7/AAAEAAIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAC1c3VnC4bEJOX CAArLPmuMAAAAKwAAAAIAAAAAQAAAEgAAAAPAAAAUAAAAAQAAABoAAAABQAAAHAAAAAGAAAA eAAAAAsAAACAAAAAEAAAAIgAAAAMAAAAkAAAAAIAAADkBAAAHgAAAA8AAABXaWxkIEJlZSdz IEJCUwAAAwAAAABEAAADAAAASwAAAAMAAAASAAAACwAAAAAAAAALAAAAAAAAAAwQAAACAAAA HgAAAAEAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA06y8AUAAAAAAxpno06y8AQMA AAAFAAAAAwAAADQGAAADAAAAYSMAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP7/AAAEAAIA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAC1c3VnC4bEJOXCAArLPmuMAAAAKwAAAAIAAAAAQAAAEgA AAAPAAAAUAAAAAQAAABoAAAABQAAAHAAAAAGAAAAeAAAAAsAAACAAAAAEAAAAIgAAAAMAAAA kAAAAAIAAADkBAAAHgAAAA8AAABXaWxkIEJlZSdzIEJCUwAAAwAAAABEAAADAAAASwAAAAMA AAASAAAACwAAAAAAAAALAAAAAAAAAAwQAAACAAAAHgAAAAEAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAA= --------------816C55321A16725EA3F91BC4-- Article 9375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Janet Brisson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Do You Can Honey? Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 05:04:54 +0000 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <33F7D7F6.53028797@gv.net> References: <19970804034800.XAA27446@ladder02.news.aol.com> <33E6E699.B85@nt.com> Reply-To: rubes@gv.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 6174@205.162.164.57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9375 Adrian Kyte wrote: > EdnaS7 wrote: > > > > Please help me. In canning honey do you need to sterilize your jars > or can > > I use regular clean jars? > > ednas7@aol.com > If you're planning on selling honey to others you can't be too > careful. > I ither run the jars through a hot cycle in a domestic dishwasher or > wash by hand in VERY HOT water. When I say VERY HOT water I mean so > hat > that you can't put your hand in it unless protected by a heavy > rubber/plastic glove. > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England > Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my > employers. > Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] > beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Hi, I don't can my honey, but I do a lot of canning, and the best method I have found to keep the jars hot and is to take the clean jars from the dishwasher and put them in the oven at 200 degrees to hold them until you use them. Use oven mits to remove them, they are hot. Article 9376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:00:30 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 37 Message-ID: <33FA5DCE.9855A1C2@valley.net> References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> <5t8ag8$7gk@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v3-p-142.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9376 Nicholas L. wrote: > Is it possible to buy a hive and bees and just let them go without > care > just for the sake of trying to replenish the bee population in the > east? > Nick greetings, noble idea, but in this day and age, unfortunately, parasitic assault on untended hives would result in the loss of your original hive and any daughter colonies spawned from natural swarms in just a few years, maybe less. in addition, your untreated colonies would become infectious vectors for colonies maintained by other beekeepers in your area, until they died out. european honeybees [our domestic bees] have little or no natural defense against the varroa mite and, to a lesser extent, the tracheal mite. without human intervention, it is unlikely that your experiment would prove successful and, in fact, might prove detrimental to long-term bee survival in your area. on the other hand, essential maintenance is not particularly onerous, especially if bee survival, not honey, is your objective. keeping a hive or two is a very enjoyable, educational and personally rewarding hobby, not to mention tasty. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall treatment with Terramycin Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:30:24 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <33FB1BA0.5A7A96BD@calwest.net> References: <33FA6C1C.4260@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-102-214.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9377 Fall is as good as any for TM. It is necessary to have TM in the hive early before broodrearing gets up to full speed, so another treatment very early in the spring is a good idea. If all you use are patties the chance of ever having TM in your honey is very slight unless your patties are all sugar. ttul, Andy- George Styer, Jr wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for fall treatment with TM. Is this > sufficient for the year. Last year I tried to treat in the spring with > patties but because the citrus bloom was so early and I couldn't add > supers this let to severe overcrowding and swarming. Article 9378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Date: 19 Aug 1997 20:15:59 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bcacdc$ad977c60$f1d92dce@gqgrmhba> References: <33F521AF.6895@voyager.net> <5t5nkj$rk8$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gl-dialin241.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9378 Please, please, please don't throw out your slum gum, my husband and I own a beeswax rendering company and are able to recover more wax from slum gum and at today's prices for beeswax that can add up to alot of money in a very short time. I would suggest rather than throwing out your slum gum, store it in a barrel and when you have enough gathered ship it to a rendering company for further processing. K. Lloyd Article 9379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.fast.net!chesco.com!not-for-mail From: "Sharon L. Dean" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BVT Date: 20 Aug 1997 21:27:16 GMT Organization: Corporate Fact Finders Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bcadb0$a9bcbfe0$0b3c3ece@sldean> NNTP-Posting-Host: maxwc1x2.chesco.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9379 Does anyone know anyone who practices BVT for MS and who would be willing to chat with me?-- I've been doing it for six weeks. TIA, Sharon SHARON DEAN 884 WESTTOWN ROAD WEST CHESTER, PA 19382 Voice 610-431-2222 Fax 610-431-0674 Article 9380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news1.best.com!nntp2.ba.best.com!not-for-mail From: Tammy Berger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for berkeley area beekeepers Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:21:16 -0800 Organization: The Abattoir Lines: 19 Message-ID: <33FB7BEC.7817@abattoir.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.33.158.60 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9380 I'm a total newbie, interested in beekeeping... I have been reading this newsgroup for a few weeks and have looked at every darn web site I can find about bees, and have read a book or two. Now I need a human to show me how it is done! I live in Berkeley, California. A call to the local ag. department got me an outdated address for a beekeeping association in the area. The next closest group I could find is a little too far away for me... (the next county over) so, does anyone out there know of a beekeeper in the Berkeley or Oakland area who would be willing to show me what they do (even just an afternoon of looking at hives and asking a few questions would be much appreciated!). Thanks! Rebecca please reply to: ruhue@abattoir.com Article 9381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer, Jr" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fall treatment with Terramycin Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:01:32 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 4 Message-ID: <33FA6C1C.4260@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.184.119 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9381 Does anyone have any recommendations for fall treatment with TM. Is this sufficient for the year. Last year I tried to treat in the spring with patties but because the citrus bloom was so early and I couldn't add supers this let to severe overcrowding and swarming. Article 9382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:57:41 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <33F521AF.6895@voyager.net> <33F8E19C.7B3@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9382 In article <33F8E19C.7B3@ix.netcom.com>, Thom Bradley writes >7) Place your cappings in the cookie sheet evenly and not too high (so >it won't overflow), replace the glass. Suggested additions: 7a) Screw a hook in the inside top face of the solar extractor 7b) Cut a length off one leg of panti-hose and tie a kot in one end. 7c) Place cappings in hose (using an something as a funnel is a good > idea, helps hold the end open) 7d) Tie both ends together and hang from the hook -- Tom Speight Cumbria UK Article 9383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "bouke scheffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeepers of new Zealand Date: 18 Aug 1997 21:40:13 GMT Organization: World Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bcac18$8be710e0$LocalHost@bnscheff> NNTP-Posting-Host: grngn1-p16.worldonline.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9383 Hello dear colleges, I planned to travel to New Zealand in november this year. I am an amature beekeeper with 4 to 6 hives. I should like to meet some beekeepers when they are on our route. We travel from 24 november to 30 december from Nothern Island to Southern Island. We hired a camper so when can travel to every place we like. When you can give me some advice that should be nice and when I have some adresses it can happen that I visit some of you. greetings from Bouke Scheffer bnscheff@worldonline.nl Article 9384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fjasdfjs@lajfoiere.com Subject: Pamela & Tommy's Secret Sex Tape Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp6210.la.inreach.net Message-ID: <33fba472.1@news.inreach.com> Date: 21 Aug 97 02:14:10 GMT Lines: 24 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!ppp6210.la.inreach.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9384 * PAMELA & TOMMY LEE'S SECRET SEX TAPE * DON'T BE FOOLED BY IMITATIONS There is only one Pam & Tommy Sex Tape and it is available here for a limited time only. Others may claim to have it for sale but this is the only Hard Core Copyrighten version in existence. See them bare their soles and bodies in public places, but observe closely, a very private blend of love and sex that they thought the public would never see. Visit: http://www.pamsex.com http://www.pamsex.com Article 9385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!News1.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!van-bc!news1.istar.ca!not-for-mail From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Edmondton...Beekeeper...Bob Date: 21 Aug 1997 03:15:04 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5tgbro$6m3$2@news.istar.ca> References: <01bcab68$3f935560$d99da1c6@pc.TelusPlanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts11-11.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9385 bonjour et bien venue a notre club. J'espere que vous avez la belle temps ici chez nous. Article 9386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!hydrant.mindspring.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cronkite.cc.uga.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!arachnid.Gsu.EDU!panther.Gsu.EDU!biojdsx From: James D Satterfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supering Top Bar Hives Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:34:29 -0400 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: arachnid.Gsu.EDU 872105676 2491 (None) 131.96.1.18 X-Complaints-To: usenet@arachnid.Gsu.EDU Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9386 I've added a page to the tbh beekeeping website at http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm which deals with supering top bar hives should it be desirable to super them for some reason. The new page shows two types of supers that I use as well as a "queen excluder top bar" that I devised. The link to this new page is on the home page and also in the "What's New" section of the home page. Drop by for a visit. If you're new to beekeeping and are looking for a cheaper alternative to conventional beekeeping, then this website is what you've been looking for. Best wishes in your ventures. Cordially yours, Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------- | James D. Satterfield | E-Mail: jsatt@gsu.edu | | 258 Ridge Pine Drive --------------------------------| | Canton, GA 30114, USA Canton is about 40 mi/64 km | | Telephone (770) 479-4784 north of Altanta, Georgia USA | | | | TBH Beekeeping Website: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm | ---------------------------------------------------------------- Article 9387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Date: 21 Aug 1997 04:41:03 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: <19970821044100.AAA06241@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bca153$55626300$4f45b5cf@apapp.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9387 In article <01bca153$55626300$4f45b5cf@apapp.ix.netcom.com>, "Buzzd" writes: >I'm new to beekeeping started this year learning the art from a master of >30+yrs. Together we have 83 hives 22 nucs. We are in southern Alberta close >to Calgary, the hives are surrounded by canola. We just completed our first >extraction averageing 85 lbs per hive. The problem is some farmers decided >to spray their canola with something and the plane was flying all day >sunday and monday i didn't find out til monday. By the looks of things 2/3 >of our bees are dead. Who can i turn to, what can i do. Please send any >info to: I would expect Canadian pesticide laws to be similar to US ones. Get a copy of the label of the pesticide used. And get a copy of your provincial pesticide law. Read the directions. Most likely it will say: "Do not apply while bees are foraging in the application area." And most likely application in violation of pesticide directions is a violation of provincial law. If the applicator did not check to make sure bees were not visiting the application area (and they most certainly would visit blooming rape), he was negligent. And also in violation of the label directions. I have never yet seen a bee kill where the application was not in violation of the label, and I've seen hundreds. We've got to make the applicators obey the law. Get him cited and make him pay the damages. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.80.84.4!mv!lnh-1-13.mv.com!user From: cc@nocrap.broadwing.com (CC) Subject: Looking for an extractor X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.6b4 Organization: Broadwing Communications Message-ID: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: lnh-1-13.mv.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:10:33 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9388 It's getting to be that time in New Hampshire.. We've been borrowing extractors for the past few years, but it may be time to invest.. I've seen a few with plastic gears - any pros or cons? Any suggestions for a good source for an extractor? We have a small number of hives, so a small device would be fine -- Chris Conroy cc@broadwing.com Broadwing Communications Inc. "helping your ideas take flight" Video * Multimedia * WWW Designs http://www.broadwing.com 603/497-4072 € 603/497-6066 (fax) Remove the phrase"nocrap." from my email address before responding. Article 9389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!news2.mel.aone.net.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Pastor David Rees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: uncapped frames Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:05:40 +1000 Organization: Tamborine Mountain Assembly of God Lines: 8 Message-ID: <33FC3D24.458F04EA@winshop.com.au> Reply-To: drees@winshop.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: s2-port14.winshop.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9389 Last season I harvested very little capped honey.. many frames, while mostly full were uncapped. I live in a warm area of Queensland Australia though it is mountanous and often misty and rainy in the late summer. I have tried putting the uncapped supper on the top (3 boxes) but would appreciate any adivse before we begin this season. (Now spring here) thanks.. Article 9390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!news2.mel.aone.net.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Pastor David Rees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colour of hives Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:09:07 +1000 Organization: Tamborine Mountain Assembly of God Lines: 9 Message-ID: <33FC3DF3.7A3DBE0F@winshop.com.au> Reply-To: drees@winshop.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: s2-port14.winshop.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9390 I was recently give a lot of older equipment which i have cleaned (burnt inside of boxes with blow lamp to ensure no contamination by disease) and repained. I only had interior acrylic paint in off white and a light brown exterior wood treatment and sealer for patios and fences. I used the brown as i had so much and a lot of boxes. Any info on the effect of hive colour on the bees? tks Article 9391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nilamda@aol.com (NILAMDA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour of hives Date: 21 Aug 1997 20:02:25 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19970821200200.QAA16895@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <33FC3DF3.7A3DBE0F@winshop.com.au> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9391 Hi Pastor David Rees The bees won't mind the colour of your hives. BUT they may not like your wood preservative if you used it on the inside of the boxes. If hives are too close together it helps to put different shaped colour markings on the front for recognition purposes to minimise drifting. BTW what part of Wales do you hail from? Tony Malin RUGBY UK Article 9392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!winter.news.erols.com!news From: Ed Bourne Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Antique Beekeeping Equip. Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:25:14 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <33FCA42A.628A@erols.com> Reply-To: edbee@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: smt-as1s18.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 21 Aug 1997 20:26:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9392 I am looking for any information on collecting antique beekeeping equipment. I would like to find some books that might touch on this subject if anybody knows. Also some hints about where to start my search would be helpful too. Thanks, Ed Article 9393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!utnut!utcsri!bc2cep!news From: redneck Subject: Bears X-Nntp-Posting-Host: thvc0a.on.bell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <33FC7595.2687@on.bell.ca> Sender: news@bc2cep.on.bell.ca (news admin) Reply-To: gcanders@on.bell.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Bell Canada and Bell Sygma Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:06:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9393 Just a note for general interest... When I first got my two nucs it only took a day and a half for the bear(s) to come around and knock them over. I immediately tried moving the hives to another area of the yard only to find the bear(s) knocked them over there too. I then got the next door neighbour to come over with his fencepost auger and I built a perimeter of posts around the hives...big enough for expansion. I then proceeded to string barbwire every foot starting from the ground and went about 6 feet high. Then, for extra fortification, I criss-crossed the barbwire between the posts from top to bottom..........End of bear problem! No need for electric fencers, batteries, electricity or firepower...just posts and barbwire that work 24 hrs a day/7 days a week. Glenn Dunroven Farm Article 9394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.126.101.73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Charles Magolda Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red Bees Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:42:13 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <33FA83B5.B7A@mail.intrlink.com> References: <33F8D02F.5B45@bright.net> Reply-To: cmagolda@mail.intrlink.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 2384@206.156.204.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; U) To: jbongi@bright.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9394 John C. Bongiovanni wrote: > > Last week I put a bee escape on one of my hives to take off a super of > honey. The next day, sure enough, there were only about a dozen or so > bees left in the box and I removed it only to find that several of the > remaining bees were a deep red color (abdomen) almost a burgundy color. > > These are the only bees that I've ever seen at this colony (or any > other, for that matter) quite this color. I watched the hive closely > these last few days at the entrance and the only bees going in and out > are the normal golden yellow Italians. > > Any ideas? I wish I would have grabbed one and mounted it, but, alas, I > didn't. For about 7 or so years I inspected honey bees for the state of Virginia. The bees you describe sound as if they may be the "red-headed bee". This Italian variant is, in my opinion, one of the prettiest honey bee variations I ever encountered. An elderly man from Alabama, I believe, developed and sold the strain. His name is "Honey bee Hendricks". I believe Fred Rossman of Rossman Apaiaries in Geogia knew him and could probably fill you in more on the breed. My experience is the color trait is recessive and a majority of bees expressing the color trait quickly vanishes within a year or so of establishing a "Red-Headed queen in the apiary, however, individual bees within the hive will continue to express the color for years after. Article 9395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dark syrup from granulated sugar? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:46:17 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 54 Message-ID: <33FCD349.75F1FAD3@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-120.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9395 greetings all. i've been feeding my single colony these past 4 weeks or so, as nectar has been a little scarce here in new hampshire during a hot, dry summer. they've taken all i can give them, and it has really boosted both brood production and comb drawing. i'm planning to wean them off in a week or so [unless they stop on their own before that], since goldenrod is coming into bloom, and then pick up again, once the fall flow is over. my questions concern a batch of syrup that i made yesterday. i use regular, granulated sugar from the supermarket in 5 lb, bags. usually, the resulting syrup is essentially colorless. however, this batch has a distinct brown color to it, almost rust colored. i have well water here, so i know the color didn't come from the water [like when the fire dept. flushes municipal water lines]; water in a glass was perfectly clear. question 1: has anybody seen anything like this before? did i just get an off-color bag of sugar? [looked pretty good when i mixed it, but i wasn't checking it that closely.] question 2: if anyone has any ideas as to the cause, do you think it could be detrimental to my bees? i don't know if it's just coinsidental or not, but today they only took about 1/2 of a quart bottle. on a good day they can take more than 2 quarts of syrup. today was cool [mid/upper-50's] and rainy, so maybe they are just off their feed, but i'm using a boardman feeder, so i figured they would have no trouble taking it, even with the rain. another possibility is that they have decided to back off on syrup consumption on their own, although it would seem that on a rainy day they would take it, as they couldn't forage at all. finally, maybe they don't like it as much, because of what's in it. any thoughts, comments or ideas will be greatly appreciated. thanks! bill btw, earlier this week i saw foragers leaving and returning to the hive, loaded with pollen, early in the morning, when the temp was only in the upper 40's, so i don't think it was the temp that slowed them down. ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.3!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "jason s. mcmanus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey sales Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:54:34 GMT Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bcae8d$553b4260$0fe81ace@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.26.232.15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9396 The packer that I have dealt with for years has bought a large shipment of honey from out of town, China I think. Anyway he has left us high and dry until he can process and sale the shipment. There is a number of bee keepers here in Idaho that is now looking for a new packer. Preferably someone in the northwest but we would entertain any and all west of the Mississippi. We have allot of honey, all different grades and types, (alfalfa, sweet clover, buckwheat, ect.) So if you buy bulk honey please e-mail me A.S.A.P. jmcmanus@cyberhighway.net thanks Article 9397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: edwards@tucson.ars.ag.gov (J.Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized bees Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 02:17:54 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 22 Message-ID: <33fcf498.2648758@news.arizona.edu> References: <33F6E788.D4A07EE6@corinthian.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9397 On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 07:59:04 -0400, Ila King wrote: >A friend just told me he had seen something about Africanized bees, but >can't remember where she saw it. What she said was that experiments have >shown that what excites them is the exhaled CO2 from the keepers, and >experimenters have tried running breathing tubes far enough away from >the hives so the bess can't detect it. She said the experiments were >successful, and the bees were very gentle until the breathing tube was >detached. >Is there any truth to this? It sounds great, and if true, would make >beekeeping with the Africanized bee as much pleasure as with the gentler >ones we currently keep. A bit more inconvenient with a breathing tube, >but workable. > Yes, you saw the world-renowned bee scientist and all-around good guy, Dr. Justin Schmidt, of the Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS, in Tucson, Arizona :) This was a reasonable demonstration, and could be worked on by any bee-people in AHB or EHB areas - try it out and REPORT BACK HERE. Better put a screen over the tube end to avoid surprises. Ol' John Edwards, Tucson Article 9398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dark syrup from granulated sugar? Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:12:03 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5tj3bs$dbn$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <33FCD349.75F1FAD3@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: market.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9398 In article < In my opinion, Bill, you shouldn't be feeding them sugar at all. You need to have more confidence in the bees' ability to find nectar. I caught a handful of my bees eating some of my ripening grapes, which would not be as good in my hive as nectar, but would be better than sugar water, I am sure, so, after conferring with the beekeepers on here I decided to let them keep doing it. We live in the high desert in So. Cal. where you would think that bees would not be able to find nectar in the middle of summer, but they do find it in abundance. It is my understanding that unscrupulous chinamen beekeepers concoct "honey" (honig) out of their bees by making them rob molasses or something like that which is cheap for the chinamen to supply but it is sure not nectar! Nectar Rules! Article 9399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.72.192.13!news.albany.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Kill Question Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:26:29 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 20 Message-ID: <33FD3EF7.29D2@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: celestes-11.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9399 I Have been pulling honey supers off my hives on tuesday, when I found 2 to 4 thousand bees dead scattered around one of my hives, some of the bees where still alive. I was there on the saturday before and all was well. There are 7 hives at this location 6 in a row facing a small river about 30 feet away, the 7th hive had the large kill which is about 10 feet behind the others. There are large trees all around and behind the 7th hive there is a corn field about 150 feet away, there are lots of soy beans around also. I live in S. W. Minnesota and some farmers have been complaining of grasshoppers. If this is a pesticide kill why only 1 hive and not all ? This area is only 1 mile from where I live, the bees in my back yard are just fine. I do plan on moving all these to another location 5 miles away on saturday morning if I can get out of bed before the bees. I have asked several bee keepers in the area, they had no problems and heard of no spraying in the area. Has any one else had any similar problems? If this is a pesticide kill how can I make sure it doesn't happen again? Any answers would be apreciated. Elroy Article 9400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dark syrup from granulated sugar? Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:30:19 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33FD4E1B.5322@nt.com> References: <33FCD349.75F1FAD3@valley.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9400 bill greenrose wrote: > > greetings all. > snip... > > my questions concern a batch of syrup that i made yesterday. i use > regular, granulated sugar from the supermarket in 5 lb, bags. usually, > snip... > > question 2: if anyone has any ideas as to the cause, do you think it > could be detrimental to my bees? > snip... > > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Sounds like your syrup has partly caramelised. Did it get hotter than uasual during the mixing? -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33FD908C.8D8F3788@corinthian.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:13:48 -0400 From: Ila King Reply-To: iwk@corinthian.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dark syrup from granulated sugar? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33FCD349.75F1FAD3@valley.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.53.82.106 Lines: 33 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.3!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.gridnet.com!207.53.82.106 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9401 :Do you think it is possible that you burned the sugar? It sure sounds lke it to me. > greetings all. > > i've been feeding my single colony these past 4 weeks or so, as nectar > > has been a little scarce here in new hampshire during a hot, dry > summer. they've taken all i can give them, and it has really boosted > both brood production and comb drawing. i'm planning to wean them off > > in a week or so [unless they stop on their own before that], since > goldenrod is coming into bloom, and then pick up again, once the fall > flow is over. > > my questions concern a batch of syrup that i made yesterday. i use > regular, granulated sugar from the supermarket in 5 lb, bags. > usually, > the resulting syrup is essentially colorless. however, this batch has > a > distinct brown color to it, almost rust colored. i have well water > here, so i know the color didn't come from the water [like when the > fire > dept. flushes municipal water lines]; water in a glass was perfectly > clear. > > question 1: has anybody seen anything like this before? did i just > get > an off-color bag of sugar? [looked pretty good when i mixed it, but i > wasn't checking it that closely.] Article 9402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <33FD926D.2895@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:21:49 -0400 From: "Philip M. Hempel" Reply-To: phempel@ibm.net Organization: Communications Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall treatment with Terramycin References: <33FA6C1C.4260@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.105.216 Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.105.216 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9402 George Styer, Jr wrote: > > Does anyone have any recommendations for fall treatment with TM. Is this > sufficient for the year. Last year I tried to treat in the spring with > patties but because the citrus bloom was so early and I couldn't add > supers this let to severe overcrowding and swarming. For the most part use the TM-25 and powder sugar on hives early in Spring or anytime when they are weak - the terrapattie works well in colonies that are strong enough to deal with the grease but a weaker colony will just ignore it and the TM treatments will not be effective. PHempel@blossomland.com www.blossomland.com Article 9403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: edwards@tucson.ars.ag.gov (J.Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:52:39 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 44 Message-ID: <33fdc342.1863202@news.arizona.edu> References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> <33F75A23.375A0CAE@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9403 On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:08:03 -0400, bill greenrose wrote: >J. Edwards wrote: > >> ADDENDUM TO LAST MASSAGE:: >> >> Please excuse the sloppy editing - my connection shuts down after >> aboot 20 >> minutes, and I often have to retype twice - really annoying !! Does >> anyone >> know how I can get more time to THINK as I type with my two fingers >> ????????? > >if the problem is that your connection is timing out because of an >established time limit set by your provider [after so many minutes of no >activity the connection is terminated], you might consider getting some >'ping' software. it sends out a call to the server every few minutes to >keep the connection open. you can find such software at shareware >sites, free for the download. one that i like is tucows. they are >mirrored all over the place, but the one i use is: > >http://ftp.epix.net/tucows/window95.html > >alternatively, if your email client supports it, you can compose >off-line, and then connect and send all your emails at once. > >btw, thanks for posting the info on your work down there. sounds >interesting. > >bill > >######################################## > >don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player > >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > Thanks, Bill - - sometimes I feel like I'm typing to myself. I will sure try your suggestions - stop by and visit anytime ! John Article 9404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!news-peer.bt.net!btnet!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!knife.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Kill Question Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:32:39 -0852 Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). Lines: 23 Message-ID: <32FE86D7.134B@itl.net> References: <33FD3EF7.29D2@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap54-12.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9404 Elroy Rogers wrote: > > I Have been pulling honey supers off my hives on tuesday, when I found 2 > to 4 thousand bees dead scattered around one of my hives, some of the > bees where still alive. I was there on the saturday before and all was > well. > I have asked several bee keepers in the area, they had no problems and > heard of no spraying in the area. Has any one else had any similar > problems? If this is a pesticide kill how can I make sure it doesn't > happen again? Any answers would be apreciated. > > Elroy When something similar happened to my one hive 1 year ago, the bees had almost no varroa but were killed by tracheal mite. They were sent to Luddington for examination and there was no doubt about the cause. I didn't find dead bees around the hive, just noticed it was ominously silent. When I opened it up there wasn't one survivor. One beekeeper lost 15 out of 40 hives to the tracheal mite. Varroa is believed to lower the bees' resistance to tracheal mite, so I am at a loss to understand why my very low varroa bees were all killed. I sincerely hope this is not your particular problem and that a simpler and less potentially devastating cause will be found. Morley. Article 9405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!delos.dra.hmg.gb!server1.netnews.ja.net!newshost.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in My Shed Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:51:04 -0700 Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Message-ID: <33FE25E8.1775@open.ac.uk> References: <33d9d72a.204321@news.pathcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9405 Carol and Ron wrote: > Today, I realized that a colony of bees have set up shop in a corner > of my shed under my grass catcher. Bees are wonderful and I consider > this a boon for my garden, however this is my shed. Will this colony > eventually move or are they there for life? Is it possible for me to > create an alternative home and move them to it? How would I winterize > such a new home so that they could survive our difficult winters? How > do I move the bees? ISTR this and other questions, e.g. the wasp problem, have been discussed on uk.rec.sheds. Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. Article 9406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: edwards@tucson.ars.ag.gov (J.Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:44:18 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 76 Message-ID: <33fdc4a5.2218844@news.arizona.edu> References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9406 Sorry if this message is gettig long, but I need to follow up on several items for the group's info. On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 04:31:00 GMT, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > >E>From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) > >Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) > >E>>Interesting research, but it may be more productive to catch these bees > >>in a standard beehive like those used by beekeepers and do some research > >>on productive management. > >E>WE ARE DOING WORK ON PRODUCTION, SUPERCEDURE, POLLINATION, QUEEN DEVELOPMENT > >TIMES, COMPETITION, AGGRESSION, MITE TOLERANCE AND RESISTANCE, and several > >other subjects. In our "spare time", we have to attend mandatory sessions on > >You missed the point.. Are you doing these things, (which are no >more then everyday jobs for most commercial beekeepers), with the so >called "African" bees or their daughters like the commercial >beekeeper are doing today or will be in the near future? OR are still >working on the theory that we will not or don't have these bees today in >wide areas of the USA and they can be controlled by one or more >eradication schemes? No, with all due respect, that is not what beekeepers do daily. We are directed to use methods and techniques which beekeepers could not tolerate (for time, expense, labor costs), so that we can develop better methods, innovative solutions, and hopefully eventually transfer the best of these to the bee industry. We have the flexibility of a "no profit" system to work within, thanks to the taxpayer. Beekeepers cannot possibly make the mistakes and sift through all the new ideas that a research lab can. I know of NO ERADICATION plans being seriously considered in the U.S., only suppression plans for small areas (such as around schoolyards, parks, ...). ALL of the work being done at the Tucson lab is with the understanding that the AHB is here to stay, and will be a part of every bee operation at some level. >Much of the information that has been provided to the public and >beekeepers has been more then heresy,....much of it has been pure >hype and fabrication. Some going as far back as the "killer" bees >traversing the Amazon without leaving resident populations.. ????????? BOY !!! THERE'S ONE I've never heard before . Really ??? > >E>Hope some of this helps to spread the word about what is reall happening in > >Tucson and Arizona. > >I know you can do bee research in almost anyplace the weather is nice, - - - - - and then there was the Laramie, Wyomig lab, of course.... >but having a Bee Lab so far out of the migratory flight of the bee >industry is/was a very poor political move and one that has had its >price. Well, the Tucson lab was originally set up in response to HUGE and crushing die-offs of bees because of insecticides on crops in the Phoenix and Tucson areas. Much of Tucson's Avra valley was taken out of production when bought by the city for the water rights, and Phoenix keeps covering up farmland with homes. I agree that, as a pollination lab, we could now be better in California (Davis again ??) or Yuma, where multinational seed companies are working year-round. The question is, is the western U.S. a significantly different area with it's own unique problems, or is research done in the eastern U.S. valid here ????? For years, writers tried to convince the west to use methods developed in Madison, Wisconsin - - who did ? The independently-minded beekeepers just kept walking their own paths. I believe the west needs its own research, and it's sad that a gap has developed between the labs and the beekeepers. - - - - Stay in touch - OPINIONS ARE MINE, NOT THE GOV'S. John Edwards > >ttul, Andy- >--- > þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the wild bee never flew, Article 9407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: edwards@tucson.ars.ag.gov (J.Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Careers in BeeKeeping Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:00:22 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33fdd24e.5716244@news.arizona.edu> References: <19970817025701.WAA08535@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9407 On 17 Aug 1997 02:57:21 GMT, lizleight@aol.com (Lizleight) wrote: >I would like to learn about careers in BeeKeeping. Can anyone help me? >Can I make a living from this? How is the market segregated? Are there >any large commercial operations? > >Gratefully >Liz Sure, but most people will never want to work as hard as a beekeeper. There are also associated support industries which supply or use bee products and services. You also might try calling DADANT and Co. in Hamilton, Illinois for a copy of their magazine and associated literature. Good Luck !! John Edwards, Tucson Article 9408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: edwards@tucson.ars.ag.gov (J.Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antique Beekeeping Equip. Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:44:40 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 13 Message-ID: <33fddd2f.8501730@news.arizona.edu> References: <33FCA42A.628A@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9408 On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:25:14 -0400, Ed Bourne wrote: >I am looking for any information on collecting antique beekeeping >equipment. I would like to find some books that might touch on this >subject if anybody knows. Also some hints about where to start my search >would be helpful too. > Thanks, Ed Try "Fifty Years Among The Bees" or forty, or thirty - by C.C. Miller for info from the old days, if you can find a copy. Also try the classified ads in Gleanings in Bee Culture or American Bee Journal. John Edwards Article 9409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fruit & Tree Nuts Summary 8/21/97 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708221713152467@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 185 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9409 SUMMARY: FRUIT AND TREE NUTS August 21, 1997 August 1997, FTS-280 Approved by the World Agricultural Outlook Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SUMMARY is published by the Economic Research Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Washington, DC 20005-4788. The complete text of FRUIT AND TREE NUTS will be available within a week following release of this summary. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Abundant Fruit and Tree Nut Supplies Lead to Lower Prices Grower prices for many noncitrus and citrus fruits are likely to stay lower than a year ago for the remainder of 1997 and into 1998. Several key Western States are harvesting larger crops of grapes and pears this fall, U.S. apple production is expected to increase, and conditions are favorable for another large orange and grapefruit crop for the 1997/98 season. During the first 7 months of 1997, the grower price index for fruit and nuts averaged 8 percent below a year earlier. The decline was due mainly to a larger Washington apple crop of mostly smaller-sized fruit last fall, a record large Florida orange crop and a large U.S. grapefruit crop in 1996/97, and an abundant harvest of summer stone fruits and grapes this year. Lower almond prices in 1996/97 also influenced the price index. U.S. apple production is forecast to increase 3 percent from 1996. A smaller Washington crop will be offset by increases in most apple-producing States, including New York and Michigan. Production is forecast down 3 percent from a year ago in the Western States, but up 5 percent and 37 percent, respectively, in the Eastern and Central States. Reduced production in Washington will likely keep fresh-market grower prices unchanged to slightly higher than a year ago and will probably limit U.S. fresh apple exports in 1997/98. U.S. grape production is forecast up 20 percent from last year, surpassing the record crop of 1982. California's grape output is expected to be up 20 percent, with production of wine-grape varieties up 21 percent and the largest on record. Production of raisin-grape and table-grape varieties is expected up 19 percent and 18 percent, respectively. The bountiful harvest will likely put some downward pressure on grower prices, but the good quality of the crop and continued strong domestic and export demand will likely prevent a steep decline in prices. The 1997 U.S. pear crop forecast is up 24 percent from a year ago. Pacific Coast production of Bartlett pears is expected to be 27 percent larger than in 1996, while output of other varieties, intended mainly for fresh use, will be up 24 percent. While Bartlett pear production will likely rise only 5 percent in California, production is expected to increase sharply in Washington (up 71 percent) and Oregon (up 67 percent). Increased supplies of pears, as well as apples, indicate lower pear prices during the 1997/98 marketing season. U.S. peach production is forecast up 28 percent from 1996 as Georgia, South Carolina, and much of the Southeast region recover from last year's crop failure and California produces a sizable crop. The 1997 U.S. freestone peach crop, mostly for fresh use, is forecast up 58 percent from a year ago, while California's clingstone output, mostly for canning, is expected up fractionally. Overall, the larger peach crop and increased competition from ample supplies of other summer fruit will likely generate lower peach prices than a year ago. The 1997 U.S. apricot crop is forecast well above levels of the last 2 years, and lower prices are expected. Favorable weather led to larger crops in California and Washington, but a frost in Utah precipitated a crop failure. Improved growing conditions in most sweet cherry growing areas, especially in the Pacific Northwest, helped the overall performance of the 1997 U.S. sweet cherry crop. Production is forecast up 24 percent from a year earlier, with large increases in Washington, California, Oregon, and Michigan. Grower prices for fresh sweet cherries will be pressured by this year's large crop, but the crop's good quality and continued strong export demand will help limit price declines. The 1997 U.S. tart cherry crop is forecast to be the smallest since 1991 and down 10 percent from a year ago. Due to a cold spring, production in Michigan--which accounts for over 70 percent of the Nation's production--is expected to be 8 percent smaller than last year. Except for Wisconsin and Oregon, other tart cherry growing States are also expected to harvest smaller crops. Commercial strawberry production in the six major producing states--California, Florida, Oregon, Washington, Michigan, and New Jersey--is forecast down 4 percent from a year ago in 1997. Favorable winter and spring weather increased yields in California, but a decline in harvested area reduced production 7 percent. Florida's 1997 winter strawberry crop is forecast up 17 percent from last year due to higher yields and increased acreage. Expected higher fresh strawberry prices and lower prices for other fresh fruit could lead to reduced domestic consumption in 1997. Preliminary fruit counts from the California Kiwifruit Commission indicate that California's 1997 kiwifruit production will be up from last year and of good quality. Fresh kiwifruit grower prices will likely decline. Lower prices and good fruit quality will likely boost domestic consumption and export demand. U.S. banana and mango consumption reached record highs in 1996. Bananas remain the most popular fresh-market fruit consumed in the United States, followed by apples and oranges. U.S. mango consumption has grown rapidly in recent years. In 1995, fresh mango consumption exceeded that of numerous other fresh fruits, including apricots, cherries, cranberries, kiwifruit, papayas, plums, and prunes. Indications are this trend continued in 1996. Last year, fresh papaya imports increased 72 percent from 1995, boosting domestic consumption. Meanwhile, U.S. consumption of fresh pineapple fell slightly, as it has for the previous 2 years. The U.S. orange crop is forecast at 12.9 million tons in 1996/97, surpassing the previous record in 1979/80 by 9 percent. Florida's production will account for most of the increase, but larger crops are also expected in California and Texas. The large supply of oranges lowered fresh-market prices during first-half 1997 and heavy competition from large stone fruit and grape crops this summer may weaken summer demand for California Valencias. However, the good quality of the Valencia crop should help maintain prices. The forecast record orange crop in Florida has led to an expected large supply of orange juice for 1996/97. In addition, juice yield estimates were 4 percent higher than a year ago, at 1.58 gallons per box. Increased orange production and higher juice yields are expected to boost frozen concentrated orange juice (FCOJ) production 13 percent from 1995/96. Although futures and grower prices have been lower throughout the 1996/97 marketing year, retail prices for FCOJ have averaged about 6 percent higher than a year earlier. The utilized grapefruit crop in 1996/97 is expected to be 8 percent above 1995/96. Production is up in Florida, California, and Texas, but down in Arizona. The large supply, along with weak demand and large supplies of fresh oranges and imported fruit, pushed grapefruit prices down. Increased processing supplies and higher juice yields boosted the grapefruit juice supply over the previous year. However, juice movement has been slower than the previous 2 years, lifting grapefruit stocks 17 percent above last year. Higher juice stocks and decreased demand for grapefruit byproducts have put downward pressure on grower prices in Florida for processing grapefruit. With another large crop expected in 1997/98 and the present slow movement of stocks, grower prices for processing grapefruit can be expected to be low again in 1997/98. Tree nut production will likely reach record highs in 1997, with increases expected for all tree nuts. The larger crops point to lower tree nut prices in the 1997/98 marketing year. However, low beginning stocks for most tree nuts will moderate supplies and keep prices strong this season. A special article describes the United States as the world's leading producer and exporter of tree nuts. The United States produces more than one-third of the world's tree nuts, followed by Turkey, China, and Iran. The United States also commands about 40 percent of world tree nut exports. Almonds accounted for 71 percent of the value of U.S. tree nut exports in 1996, followed by walnuts with 15 percent. During the current marketing season, the U.S. share of world tree nut production and exports will increase due to record U.S. output and smaller crops in competing countries. Another special article estimates the impacts of trade barriers on global apple markets. While U.S. fresh apple exports increased sharply between 1970 and 1996, high tariff rates and technical barriers continue to constrain international sales to some markets. Tariff rate equivalents for phytosanitary requirements were estimated for Japan, South Korea, and Mexico and were sometimes found to be as large or larger than many tariff rates. Removing tariffs and harmonizing these regulatory measures to the current U.S. systems approach to pest management for the three countries would substantially affect global apple trade. For more information,contact Agnes Perez (202) 501-6779. END_OF_FILE Article 9410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "M. kelley" Subject: buckwheat Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bcaf60$3fadb080$792a0ccf@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1s21.cio.net Date: 23 Aug 97 00:59:24 GMT Lines: 5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.163.58.1!news.olywa.net!pm1s21.cio.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9410 Does anyone have info on what type of buckwheat makes bees produce dark honey and which can be grown in the Pacific NorthWest? Michelle Article 9411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is silicone ok for bees? Date: 23 Aug 1997 04:54:04 GMT Organization: The Furs Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5tlqdc$n69$1@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-d08.nas.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.79.239.13!news.ior.com!cnn.isc-br.com!nwfocus.wa.com!news.nas.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9411 I made a Miller-type feeder and caulked it with food-safe 100% silicone sealant. Is this stuff ok for the bees? BTW this is my second year of beekeeping, a lot of my learning has been from this newsgroup. I decided to use Pierco plastic frames based on what I gleaned from the many postings on them. Worked great! They're full. John Article 9412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEST HOT KNIFE??? Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:53:57 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 20 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <5tmndo$5ul@library.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Aug 23 08:09:12 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal19-16.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9412 The motor on my Kelley's Vibrating Knife gave up the ghost last night about halfway through my uncapping job. And since I don't have a "backup", I decided to just shut it down for the evening. Today, I will attempt to find a replace motor to get back in business. But in the mean while, I'm thinking of buying a hot knife to have as a spare/backup. Who makes the best (i.e., most durable) hot knife these days? Open for recommendation.... BusyKnight Dallas, TX BTW -- The Kelley Vibrating Knife used a "Dayton" ('name brand') electric motor and was only four years old!!! Article 9413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!not-for-mail From: Edward Flicek Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter Survival Rates for Colonies in Minnesota, Wisc. Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:40:07 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33FF2077.3D5C@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: kboukg@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ts-004mnminnp04.dialsprint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI304B01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9413 My friend and I have had only about 33% of our colonies survive this last winter, here in Minnesota. We were curious what other honey producers of had around this area. We treated with Apistan, tetramycin,etc. just like the book says, and still not have good luck. We also found it was a poor year for honey production, averaging only 15-25Ibs. per colony, and were wondering what the average was for other producers. Thanks, Chris Petro, (612) 444-9155 Article 9414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Barb Hyde Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:18:48 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 29 Message-ID: <33FF3798.60CC@ix.netcom.com> References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> <5t8ag8$7gk@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <33FA5DCE.9855A1C2@valley.net> Reply-To: bobhyde@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tul-ok4-16.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 23 12:29:57 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9414 bill greenrose wrote: > > Nicholas L. wrote: > > > Is it possible to buy a hive and bees and just let them go without > > care > > just for the sake of trying to replenish the bee population in the > > east? >Bill replied: > on the other hand, essential maintenance is not particularly onerous, > especially if bee survival, not honey, is your objective. keeping a > hive or two is a very enjoyable, educational and personally rewarding > hobby, not to mention tasty. Bill, I just found the beekeeping news group and your name is on some very interesting postings. I am not a beekeeper. I am a gardener in suburban Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our honeybees are mostly wild here and, this year, mostly dead. The decimation here is a disaster. I have seen fewer than ten honeybees this summer - and those late in the season. What can non-beekeepers do to help the bees? I have thought about trying my hand at beekeeping - just to put some bees back in my area, but am not sure having a hive in my backyard is responsible to the neighborhood. I guess I'm looking for some "Friends of the Bees" tips. What can we do to help? Can you point me at some information - web sites, etc. that I can use to begin my education? thanks for your time and for anything you can point me at. Article 9415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nilamda@aol.com (NILAMDA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dark syrup from granulated sugar? Date: 23 Aug 1997 19:56:01 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <19970823195601.PAA24550@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <33FCD349.75F1FAD3@valley.net> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9415 Bill Greenrose asked about dark syrup. If as has been suggested by others you overheated the syrup, this problem is easily solved. USE COLD WATER. I use a 5 litre clear plastic bottle (left over from my wife's spring water, which she prefers to the tap water in our area.) Tip sugar in through a funnel until it is about 7/8ths full. Note the level of the sugar. Add water and shake well from time to time over about 24 hours, until the sugar dissolves. The correct winter strength is obtained when the solution is back to the original level of the sugar. These bottles have a carrying handle which is useful for transporting to the apiary. You can of course add hot water if you wish to speed things up, but don't be tempted to use a pan on the stove. BTW in the UK we winter feed about 15lbs per hive. Tony Malin RUGBY UK Article 9416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Survival Rates for Colonies in Minnesota, Wisc. Date: 23 Aug 1997 22:47:21 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 40 Message-ID: <01bcb016$7ff40980$a76ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33FF2077.3D5C@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 23 5:47:21 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9416 Edward Flicek wrote in article <33FF2077.3D5C@sprintmail.com>... | My friend and I have had only about 33% of our colonies survive this | last winter, here in Minnesota. We were curious what other honey | producers of had around this area. We treated with Apistan, | tetramycin,etc. just like the book says, and still not have good luck. | We also found it was a poor year for honey production, averaging only | 15-25Ibs. per colony, and were wondering what the average was for other | producers. | | | Thanks, | | Chris Petro, (612) 444-9155 Howdy Chris - treatment timing is MORE critical the further North ya get. Might want to check out my "Treatment Timing Tips" article on my web site. Lotsa factors could be and likely are in play but this is one you may want to consider. When you click on the web site URL you will come to our index page - scroll down it until you find an article about keeping your bees alive despite the mites - then click on it. Hoping your bees do better this winter. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is silicone ok for bees? Date: 24 Aug 1997 01:24:21 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <01bcb02c$71090f40$9886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5tlqdc$n69$1@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 23 6:24:21 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9417 John or Sonja Hoxeng wrote in article <5tlqdc$n69$1@barad-dur.nas.com>... | I made a Miller-type feeder and caulked it with | food-safe 100% silicone sealant. Is this stuff | ok for the bees? | BTW this is my second year of beekeeping, a lot | of my learning has been from this newsgroup. | I decided to use Pierco plastic frames based on | what I gleaned from the many postings on them. | Worked great! They're full. | John One of our HIP Cooperators sometimes uses Silicone to seal his division board feeders he makes to split a single deep into two 4-frame nucs. It works well for him. I like Pierco frames myself - not sure why it has taken them so long to catch on. Nothing like popping 'em outta the box and into the supers or hive bodies and being done with it. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour of hives Date: 24 Aug 1997 01:28:53 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01bcb02d$1277f6c0$9886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33FC3DF3.7A3DBE0F@winshop.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 23 6:28:53 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9418 Pastor David Rees wrote in article <33FC3DF3.7A3DBE0F@winshop.com.au>... | I was recently give a lot of older equipment which i have cleaned (burnt | inside of boxes with blow lamp to ensure no contamination by disease) | and repained. I only had interior acrylic paint in off white and a | light brown exterior wood treatment and sealer for patios and fences. I | used the brown as i had so much and a lot of boxes. | Any info on the effect of hive colour on the bees? | tks Darker colors are generally better in cooler climates. Darker hives have been found in one study to raise interior temperature which according to that study helped hold down the Tmite infestation level vs. the white hives involved in the study - I don't recall the study being replicated as of yet so I wouldn't bet the farm on it. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: 24 Aug 1997 01:37:28 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 69 Message-ID: <01bcb02e$46a16de0$9886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> <33F75A23.375A0CAE@valley.net> <33fdc342.1863202@news.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 23 6:37:28 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9419 J.Edwards wrote in article <33fdc342.1863202@news.arizona.edu>... | On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:08:03 -0400, bill greenrose | wrote: | | >J. Edwards wrote: | > | >> ADDENDUM TO LAST MASSAGE:: | >> | >> Please excuse the sloppy editing - my connection shuts down after | >> aboot 20 | >> minutes, and I often have to retype twice - really annoying !! Does | >> anyone | >> know how I can get more time to THINK as I type with my two fingers | >> ????????? | > | >if the problem is that your connection is timing out because of an | >established time limit set by your provider [after so many minutes of no | >activity the connection is terminated], you might consider getting some | >'ping' software. it sends out a call to the server every few minutes to | >keep the connection open. you can find such software at shareware | >sites, free for the download. one that i like is tucows. they are | >mirrored all over the place, but the one i use is: | > | >http://ftp.epix.net/tucows/window95.html | > | >alternatively, if your email client supports it, you can compose | >off-line, and then connect and send all your emails at once. | > | >btw, thanks for posting the info on your work down there. sounds | >interesting. Howdy John, to add to Bill's excellent advice Take a look-see at your own software. It may be set up to disconnect if idle for 20 minutes. In some cases you can get around this auto-disconnect problem pretty simple by telling your own e-mail program to check for mail every so many minutes (mine checks every 5 minutes now to avoid the same problem you are having) whether the problem is based in your software or at our ISP. Just gotta keep your e-mail program pulled up whilst online and ya don't get cut off. It works for me. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: 24 Aug 1997 01:42:42 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bcb02f$01dc5660$9886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> <5t8ag8$7gk@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <33FA5DCE.9855A1C2@valley.net> <33FF3798.60CC@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 23 6:42:42 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9420 Barb Hyde wrote in article <33FF3798.60CC@ix.netcom.com>... | | I guess I'm looking for some "Friends of the Bees" tips. What can we do | to help? Can you point me at some information - web sites, etc. that I | can use to begin my education? | thanks for your time and for anything you can point me at. One of many good places to start your online education about bees would be at "Country Jack's Bee Links" - head off to my web site and click on the link to take you there - my web site URL is in my sig file below. Best wishes and do enjoy. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:40:00 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 59 Message-ID: <33FFAD10.ADBAB4E6@valley.net> References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> <33F75A23.375A0CAE@valley.net> <33fdc342.1863202@news.arizona.edu> <01bcb02e$46a16de0$9886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-122.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9421 > Howdy John, > > to add to Bill's excellent advice > > Take a look-see at your own software. It may be set up to > disconnect if idle for 20 minutes. > > In some cases you can get around this auto-disconnect problem > pretty simple by telling your own e-mail program to check for > mail every so many minutes (mine checks every 5 minutes now to > avoid the same problem you are having) whether the problem is > based in your software or at our ISP. Just gotta keep your > e-mail program pulled up whilst online and ya don't get cut off. > It works for me. > > -- > Jack Griffes > Ottawa Lake, MI > USA > e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com > Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ > > "Always be nice to other people, > they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." > - Steve White! " hi jack, your solution is elegant in it's simplicity. it's how i used to make sure i stayed connected. unfortunately, since i switched over to ms outlook97 [don't ask me why. ok, i'll tell you. for compatibility with my office email, because i drag things back and forth on zip disks.], it doesn't seem to work for me, anymore. i have it set to check every 5 minutes, and it's always on, but i still get disconnected, if i don't check myself or else do something with netscape. it's weird, but then, there are a lot of weird things about outlook. if i wasn't so tired of trying to transfer saved emails from one client to another, i'd switch. again. btw, for anyone who is considering using ping programs or routine email checks or whatever to keep connected, if you use such a method BE SURE that you disconnect when you are done with an internet session. otherwise, your program will keep you connected, possibly for days. if you have hourly connect charges, that can really add up to some serious change. not to mention the fact that you will tie up a line to your ISP that someone else could be using. i'm speaking from experience. [left the computer during a long download and forgot about it. oops.] bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: Tim Townsend Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation {pierco} Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:29:27 -0700 Organization: TPLR Honey Farms Lines: 53 Message-ID: <33FFC6B6.2327@telusplanet.net> References: <19970811205400.QAA15496@ladder02.news.aol.com> <33F0EB9D.7DB2@ix.netcom.com> <33F3D655.DA6@telusplanet.net> <33F47036.1544@teleport.com> <5tap2s$h7k@mackenzie.pioneer.net> <33F902C2.D69@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: ttownsen@telusplanet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: edtnpx04-port-7.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) To: Thom Bradley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9422 Thom Bradley wrote: > > Two Turtles wrote: > > > > >> > of it last night. I will probably never use it again. I placed them > > >> > early this season and have colonies of mixed frame supers. Wax is drawn > > >> > and coated plastic ignored. They will, however, build burr on top of > > >> > it. > > >> > Thom Bradley > > > > Thom, although I am new at beekeeping and not qualified to give > > advice, I do believe that it's stated on the docs that come with the > > Pierco frames that mixing the frames (wood with Pierco) will only > > encourage the bees to ignore the plastic frames. > > > > I started five colonies out here in Deadwood Oregon (PNW), all of them > > on *undrawn* Pierco frames. I gave them tons of sugar water, as much > > as they wanted, for the first couple of months and they have all drawn > > out at least four full supers of the Pierco frames. I would suggest > > to anyone who's trying to use the Pierco frames that they use JUST the > > Pierco frames and see how that works for the colony. > > > > With respect > > Two Turtles > > > > BTW: This might sound like the dippy confessions of a newbie (both on > > the net and in the apiary) but I got on-line just so I could chat it > > up with the beekeepers of the world. So, glad to meet you everyone! > > Anyone wanting to talk bee-talk with someone in Western Oregon may > > feel free to correspond. > Two Turtles > you may be correct my frames did not arrive with documentation. > Don't worry about being a newby we don't flame here. > welcome > thom Thom & two turtles: The documentation that should come with the Pierco frames does state to intersperse the foundation in your drawn comb, be it plastic or wood and wax / plastic foundation. This is the most accepted way of introducing any undrawn frames into North American colonies, but of course this is beekeeping, and not everything works all the time for everyone. So what ever works for you is the right way to do it. When I wrote the directions, I tried to keep them simple and short, #1 method- interspersing the foundation. #2 method- full (ten frames) boxes of foundation. I also added a coverall statement at the end which says to use whatever system you or your neighbouring beekeepers are currently using with foundation. Hope this is of some assistance. Tim Townsend TPLR HONEY FARMS/PIERCO CANADA Stony Plain AB Article 9423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: mswanson@bigpond.com (Matt Swanson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mites (and swarmtraps) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 05:53:32 GMT Message-ID: <3401cbd1.1130074@news.bigpond.com> References: <9708072322302370@beenet.com> <33EF3D1F.EDE36D57@calwest.net> <33F75A23.375A0CAE@valley.net> <33fdc342.1863202@news.arizona.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.94.54 Lines: 41 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.235.93!news.telstra.net!139.134.5.33! Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9423 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 edwards@tucson.ars.ag.gov (J.Edwards) wrote: >On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:08:03 -0400, bill greenrose > wrote: > >>J. Edwards wrote: >> >>> ADDENDUM TO LAST MASSAGE:: >>> >>> Please excuse the sloppy editing - my connection shuts down after >>> aboot 20 >>> minutes, and I often have to retype twice - really annoying !! Does >>> anyone >>> know how I can get more time to THINK as I type with my two fingers >>> ????????? >> Unless you are suffering from the same problem we had in Australia once. The phone company started installing slim line phones with electronics that pinged the exchange every 20 minutes or so and if your modem was connected to the same line you lost your connection. Beware fancy phones and modems sharing lines! Cheers Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBM/9GpemjB/n+c/U2EQI2bwCeJFgTbawwZc8cTCr6rsECOw04F6YAoLnN EnSQVXFlPsIyHi/6+UQvXC/H =LCPD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Email: mswanson@bigpond.com or matt.swanson@usa.net Home Page: http://www.users.bigpond.com/mswanson/ PGP Key: Available from home page or a public keyserver UIN: 1252001 "Life wasn't meant to be easy." - Malcolm Fraser Article 9424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rtw65@aol.com (RTW65) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping video Date: 24 Aug 1997 17:46:15 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19970824174600.NAA10575@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9424 Does anyone know of any beekeeping videos and where to buy them? Article 9425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: tim-deb@worldnet.att.net (Timothy Hostetler) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apiary Fees? Date: 24 Aug 1997 20:57:55 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <09970724163225.OUI87.tim-deb@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: tim-deb@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.72.83 X-Newsreader: OUI PRO 1.5.0.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9425 I have a small orchard (about 300 apple/peach/pear trees on about 4 acres). The local town (population 2200) beekeeper wanted to set up a hive in the orchard and I said ok. He didn't get set up until one week before petalfall so naturally there weren't to many bee around. Now he wants payed, which of course we never discussed in specifics before hand. Forgetting for the moment that his bees didn't do diddly for me, what is a reasonable fee for pollinating services? !^NavFont02F01820007MGHHH84143E Article 9426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: marnu@aol.com (Marnu) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Neighbors and beekeeping Date: 24 Aug 1997 23:31:33 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970824233100.TAA04216@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9426 In addition to the water source in your own yard, it comes to mind that you might put in your own hummingbird feeder. If your bees still prefer your neighbor's feeder, find out what he's putting in his and duplicate it and perhaps ask him to take down his feeder until your bees get retrained to frequenting your h. feeder. marnu Article 9427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Subject: Re: Beekeeping video Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19970824174600.NAA10575@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries Message-ID: <01bcb0f6$cdfa2f20$297ed8cc@homenet.hom.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin2-11.wr.hom.net Date: 25 Aug 97 01:37:58 GMT Lines: 22 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!news.pagesat.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!dialin2-11.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9427 This man has made a series if videos called "A day in the life of an apiary" I have a copy and it is very good. DR. KEITH S DELAPLANE @ UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA address: BARROW HALL : Athens, GA e-mail: ksd@uga.cc.uga.edu phone: 706-542-1765 unit: ENTOMOLOGY-CES -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] RTW65 wrote in article <19970824174600.NAA10575@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > Does anyone know of any beekeeping videos and where to buy them? > Article 9428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is silicone ok for bees? Date: 25 Aug 1997 03:32:27 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <19970825033200.XAA15136@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bcb02c$71090f40$9886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9428 In article <01bcb02c$71090f40$9886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, "Jack Griffes" writes: > >I like Pierco frames myself - not sure why it has taken them so >long to catch on. Nothing like popping 'em outta the box and >into the supers or hive bodies and being done with it. > > Me too even the waxed pierco's are sometimes accepted slowly but dipping them in a fall feeding strength sugar syrup gets em started even quicker. Slowly adjustring my old supers to keep bee space just right for the piercos and building new supers to suit. Article 9429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Carolyn &/or Steve" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apiary Fees? Date: 25 Aug 1997 05:09:36 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bcb115$00ce9760$50a148a6@fpfzqlga> References: <09970724163225.OUI87.tim-deb@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip166-72-161-80.tx.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9429 You might also want to ask "What is a reasonable fee for renting the land to the beekeeper?" CB Timothy Hostetler wrote in article <09970724163225.OUI87.tim-deb@worldnet.att.net>... > I have a small orchard (about 300 apple/peach/pear trees on about 4 > acres). The local town (population 2200) beekeeper wanted to set up a > hive in the orchard and I said ok. He didn't get set up until one week > before petalfall so naturally there weren't to many bee around. Now he > wants payed, which of course we never discussed in specifics before > hand. Forgetting for the moment that his bees didn't do diddly for me, > what is a reasonable fee for pollinating services? > > !^NavFont02F01820007MGHHH84143E > > Article 9430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dark syrup from granulated sugar? Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:37:12 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <34008D68.FA126E3A@valley.net> References: <33FCD349.75F1FAD3@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-110.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9430 greetings all. many thanks to everyone who posted replies here and answered me directly via email. the consensus was that the sugar got caramelized. the problem is that i have only been using hot water from the tap and have not heated it on the stove. i've been using this method for over a month without a problem. no scent of caramelization, either. once the rain stopped and the weather warmed a few degrees, the bees took it at their normal pace [heavily]. i made up a new batch today and the same thing happened - a darker than normal color. i bought both 5 lb. bags at the same time, so maybe they were from a batch that was a little less refined than normal? everything looks fine in the hive - healthy bees, lots of brood and eggs, so it doesn't look like it's affected them at all. for my next purchase i'll buy another brand to be sure it's from a different batch and see if it comes out all right. then, i'll know it was the sugar. btw, for those who asked why i'm feeding syrup now, it's because it's been pretty dry and lean around here most of the summer and the fall bloom is just beginning. started with a nuc and all new equipment earlier this year, and i want them to build up as much comb and stores as possible. i'm not harvesting any of this honey [well, maybe one super that they capped off in early july, before i started with the syrup.]. feeding them sure triggered a boom in both egg and comb production, so it looks like it's been worth it. both deeps are drawn and full, and they're working on a super, which i plan to leave on for the winter to be sure they have enough stores. better safe than sorry. if they fill this one in the next week or so [which i think they will], then i'll add a new super and see if i can catch a fall flow. not trying to be greedy, but i am curious to see just how much they can produce. again, thanks for the replies! bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "john cooper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter Bees? -Help! Date: 25 Aug 1997 09:41:44 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bcb13a$a49cf2e0$4a5392cf@cooper> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.146.83.74 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9431 Found many holes (pin size to pencil eraser size) in wood along the eaves of my house. Local contact advised me that these were Carpenter Bees, but could not suggest method for protecting against the infestation. Ive tried sealing the holes but this does not seem to help as the next day several new holes appear. I would appreciate any information this group might offer. Thanks Article 9432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.5!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.pbi.net!news.pacbell.net!not-for-mail From: Aaron & Michelle Wilson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what do i need? Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:59:26 -0700 Organization: http://home.pacbell.net/orcatwin Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3401658E.6AB4@pacbell.net> Reply-To: orcatwin@pacbell.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-206-170-4-89.wnck11.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBWG (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9432 hi, i want to start up ee keeping as a hobbie. what do i need or how do i start? are there books that i can get from the library? anyone have a place to order from? i would like to have 1 or 2 hives... nothing big. can i make the hives my self? please e-mail me! i also have a web site, but it's not a bee one.. lol... it's at http://home.pacbell.net/orcatwin thank you for all of you that e-mai me with infomation!!! o! e-mail address is orcatwin@pacbell.net -- From : Aaron (awilson680@aol.com) OR " orcatwin@packbell.net " Michelle (parleamoi@aol.com)OR "" orcatwin@packbell.net " Article 9433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antique Beekeeping Equip. Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 08:09:10 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <17BD272ABS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <33FCA42A.628A@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.usuhs.mil!uky.edu!news.missouri.edu!starfish!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9433 In article <33FCA42A.628A@erols.com> Ed Bourne writes: > >I am looking for any information on collecting antique beekeeping >equipment. I would like to find some books that might touch on this >subject if anybody knows. You might try _The_Archeology_of_Beekeeping_ by Eva Crane > Also some hints about where to start my search >would be helpful too. Real old beekeepers. > Thanks, Ed 'Welcome! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee. Article 9434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: snewc0076@aol.com (SNewc0076) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do i need? Date: 25 Aug 1997 14:25:04 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <19970825142501.KAA16651@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3401658E.6AB4@pacbell.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9434 I am also interested in starting a hive or two as a hobby. I went to the county fair this weekend and the local beekeepers organization had a display, so I picked up lots of info. The local group has classes in getting started every spring, and the people were very friendly and helpfull. Get lots of catalogs and look in your library for books and magazines. I also happen to live about 1/2 hour from the AI Root Co., a big supplier of beekeeping supplies. I drove over there one Saturday morning, and they were very helpfull. Look for websites: www.airoot.com. Also search under "beekeeping" in Yahoo or other engines. I plan on keeping one hive in my city lot. Perhaps one or two more will go on my inlaw's lot outside the city. Good luck Steve SNewc0076@aol.com Article 9435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Charles V. Soderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dark syrup from granulated sugar? Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:31:28 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3401A550.197A@worldnet.att.net> References: <33FCD349.75F1FAD3@valley.net> <34008D68.FA126E3A@valley.net> Reply-To: ChuckSoderquist@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.18.191 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9435 Hi,Bill, I have had the same experience with darker color syrup with some sugars. Doesn't seem to bother the bees. -- Charles V. Soderquist (\ {|||8- (/ Bikes, bees, and bytes Article 9436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: snewc0076@aol.com (SNewc0076) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apiary Fees? Date: 25 Aug 1997 14:29:35 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19970825142901.KAA09355@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <09970724163225.OUI87.tim-deb@worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9436 Look in Bee Culture magazine by AI Root Co. They publish a list of current and average honey prices and pollinating fees in every issue. prices vary by geographic zone, (map included). contact www.airoot.com for subscription info. Article 9437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apiary Fees? Date: 25 Aug 1997 14:32:22 GMT Lines: 46 Message-ID: <19970825143200.KAA09511@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <09970724163225.OUI87.tim-deb@worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9437 In article <09970724163225.OUI87.tim-deb@worldnet.att.net>, tim-deb@worldnet.att.net (Timothy Hostetler) writes: >I have a small orchard (about 300 apple/peach/pear trees on about 4 >acres). The local town (population 2200) beekeeper wanted to set up a >hive in the orchard and I said ok. He didn't get set up until one week >before petalfall so naturally there weren't to many bee around. Now he >wants payed, which of course we never discussed in specifics before >hand. Forgetting for the moment that his bees didn't do diddly for me, >what is a reasonable fee for pollinating services? I don't see any obligation on your part to pay him. He was simply looking for a site for his bees. If he were providing pollination service, he would have made a contract with you, and he would have had a professional attitude about getting the bees there in timely fashion, managing the bees for maximum pollination effect (as opposed to honey production). You want the apple king bloom pollinated if at all possible, and the early blossoms on the peaches also are stronger. Check the web page below for info on pollination contracts and rating your pollination beekeeper. Pollination contract prices vary depending on the number of frames of brood, the number of brood chambers, and the competition (beekeepers who can move to pollination when there is no honey production available to them, will tend to do it cheaper, than when they have to choose between honey production in one area and pollination in another). Pollination prices range from $20 - $60 in eastern USA. Apples in NY and PA usually are done for around $35, with prices higher in NJ and some parts of New England. You do have one obligation, and it is to your benefit to do so, whether or not you have a beekeeper on your property, that is to obey the bee protection directions on the labels of the pesticides you use. That's the law. If you kill off wild and domestic bees one season, they won't be there the following season, when you need them. Pollinator@aol.com Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees? -Help! Date: 25 Aug 1997 14:32:21 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: <19970825143200.KAA17062@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bcb13a$a49cf2e0$4a5392cf@cooper> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9438 In article <01bcb13a$a49cf2e0$4a5392cf@cooper>, "john cooper" writes: >Found many holes (pin size to pencil eraser size) in wood along the eaves >of my house. >Local contact advised me that these were Carpenter Bees, but could not >suggest method for >protecting against the infestation. Ive tried sealing the holes but this >does not seem to help as the next day several new holes appear. I would >appreciate any information this group might offer. This does not sound like carpenter bees. Carpenter bees will make uniform, highly polished holes, and they tend to use the same holes year after year for their nests. Carpenter bees are valuable pollinators; in some areas they are the only bee that is still common, so they should be protected if at all possible. Some folks put out nest sites of soft unpainted wood to encourage them. The damage they do is usually only cosmetic, while the good they do is enormous. But you most likely have some other creature, from your description, and I can't speak to that without knowing more. Have you observed the holes being made. If it is carpenter bees they will only be active during the day, and usually early in the season. Your description makes it sound like something nocturnal. The holes are too small, and they are not uniform. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!knife.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apiary Fees? Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:56:21 -0852 Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). Lines: 14 Message-ID: <330264C5.381A@itl.net> References: <09970724163225.OUI87.tim-deb@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap99-12.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9439 Timothy Hostetler wrote: > > I have a small orchard (about 300 apple/peach/pear trees on about 4 > acres). The local town (population 2200) beekeeper wanted to set up a > hive in the orchard and I said ok. He didn't get set up until one week > before petalfall so naturally there weren't to many bee around. Now he > wants payed, which of course we never discussed in specifics before > hand. Forgetting for the moment that his bees didn't do diddly for me, > what is a reasonable fee for pollinating services? > If he's the only choice in town and you want him again next year, it might be best to come to some agreement on a reduced payment this year and have a to-the-second contract for next year. Morley Article 9440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nellie.musc.edu!newsmaster From: Cam Lay Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees? -Help! Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:40:29 -0400 Organization: Clemson University DPR Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3401A76D.587B@clemson.edu> References: <01bcb13a$a49cf2e0$4a5392cf@cooper> Reply-To: clay@clemson.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.23.101.197 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9440 john cooper wrote: > > Found many holes (pin size to pencil eraser size) in wood along the eaves > of my house. > Local contact advised me that these were Carpenter Bees, but could not > suggest method for > protecting against the infestation. Ive tried sealing the holes but this > does not seem to help as the next day several new holes appear. I would > appreciate any information this group might offer. > Thanks Sounds more like an infestation of wood-infesting beetles. Carpenter bee nest holes are usually a consistent size, about 3/8" to 1/2" in diameter. If you have holes of several sizes you probably have more than one kind of insect (beetles and bees, perhaps?). Is there any powder or sawdust- like material coming out of the holes? If you break into the wood with a pick or screwdriver, is it full of tunnels and inter-connected galleries? Carpenter bees drill one long hole; beetle larvae chew around in there for awhile. If it's beetles, by the way, you might want to check out the rest of the house (attic, crawlspace) to make sure that they're not eating anything else... Good luck - write back with more info, if you like. Regards, C Clemson University and its Department of Pesticide Regulation require me to state that these opinions are mine alone and not necessarily those of any part of the University or the DPR. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Respect is to fear as just is to fair as discipline is to punishment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Regulation through education. Visit the DPR at http://dpr.clemson.edu/ Article 9441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Andrew Kettlewell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:23:14 -0500 Organization: The Piechowski Home page Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3401A361.372DA3D6@earthlink.net> References: <33F521AF.6895@voyager.net> <5taarh$60h$1@nntp.pe.net> Reply-To: rungun305@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.238.219 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9441 After winning the American Honey wax block division before I really would reccommend using this way, it may seem teedeouis, but you will get great wax. If you find that your wax is rather dark, use a solar renderer Peter Amschel wrote: > I just got some more info on that wax question, and when the wax is > melted > in the water (and do not let it get over 140 degrees, for safety's > sake) then > the melted wax and the slumgum and water is poured through a pantyhose > filter > into a wax milk carton which works good as a mold because it can be > torn > away from the beeswax after the beeswax hardens. Article 9442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rok101d@aol.com (ROK101D) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping video Date: 25 Aug 1997 23:34:17 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <19970825233401.TAA20259@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19970824174600.NAA10575@ladder02.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9442 These videos are available on loan from the Nebraska Department of Agriculture,301Centennial Mall S. Nebraska 68509 There is no charge other than the cost of postage. An Introduction to Beekeeping Keeping Bees and Producing Honey Varroa jacobsone, Biology and Control Rearing Queen Honey Bees Apistan. Artificial Insemination of Honey Bee Queens I saw the introduction one and it helped me in my first year at little cost. also the bee mags all have advertisement for videos. Rick Koehler Rok101d@aol Article 9443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:35:28 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 119 Message-ID: <340224CF.3FFCB431@valley.net> References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> <5t8ag8$7gk@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <33FA5DCE.9855A1C2@valley.net> <33FF3798.60CC@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-152.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: bobhyde@ix.netcom.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9443 Barb Hyde wrote: > bill greenrose wrote: > > > > Nicholas L. wrote: > > > > > Is it possible to buy a hive and bees and just let them go without > > > > care > > > just for the sake of trying to replenish the bee population in the > > > > east? > > >Bill replied: > > on the other hand, essential maintenance is not particularly > onerous, > > especially if bee survival, not honey, is your objective. keeping a > > > hive or two is a very enjoyable, educational and personally > rewarding > > hobby, not to mention tasty. > > Bill, > I just found the beekeeping news group and your name is on some very > interesting postings. I am not a beekeeper. I am a gardener in > suburban > Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our honeybees are mostly wild here and, this year, > mostly dead. The decimation here is a disaster. I have seen fewer than > > ten honeybees this summer - and those late in the season. What can > non-beekeepers do to help the bees? I have thought about trying my > hand > at beekeeping - just to put some bees back in my area, but am not sure > > having a hive in my backyard is responsible to the neighborhood. > > I guess I'm looking for some "Friends of the Bees" tips. What can we > do > to help? Can you point me at some information - web sites, etc. that I > > can use to begin my education? > thanks for your time and for anything you can point me at. hi, barb. thanks for the compliment, but, believe me, i am a real newbie. this is my first season and there are people posting here, who know WAY more about bees and beekeeping than me. but, since you asked, i'll do my best. others will also post and point you in educational directions, too, i'm sure. first, this newsgroup is an excellent source of information. ask a specific question, and you will usually get several helpful replies. it's how i learned a lot of what i occasionally spew back in my posts. second, there are a lot of bee and beekeeping sites on the web. once you find a good one, it will usually link you to many more. for example, one guy, who posts here a lot is jack griffes, and his site is at: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/honeybee.html he has great info on his page and a lot of links to other sites. once you start, you'll be happily surfing for hours. [not meaning to dis anyone else's site, but i think jack has links to most of you.] also, you can do a simple search with one of the search engines like alta vista or yahoo. just use the words 'bees', 'honeybees', 'beekeeping', 'honey' and/or 'pollination' in some combination. that will give you lots of hits for new sites to explore. if you are interested in books, let me know, and i can recommend a few. [as can just about anyone in this group. we all have our favorites.] as for your specific question regarding what a non-beekeeper can do to help, well, that's a tough one. about all i can think to do would be to try and grow some species of plants that are favored by bees. providing the local bees [those that are left] with ample forage will at least help them to store as much food as possible for the winter, so at least they don't starve. but, the sad truth is that, if they are infected with mites, then they are probably doomed. there is no 'magic bullet' that you can just put out for them to feed on and be protected. check with your local agricultural agent or local college to see what are the best plants to grow in your area for bees. who knows? you might have some resistant bees in the area and every bit of forage helps. also, if water is scarce in your area, a bird bath or some other water source might be appreciated by the bees. finally, while keeping bees in a residential area poses unique problems, due to the proximity of potentially beeophobic [sp?] neighbors, you might want to discuss it with them and see what they think. you may be able to convince them that the benefits to the environment [especially their flowers and vegetables] far outweigh the minor risks involved in keeping a hive of bees in their midst. if the hive is properly managed, then all they are likely to see is an increase in the number of bees visiting their flowers [around what they saw before the bees were decimated]. my hive is only about 30 feet from my back deck, and, when sitting on the deck, aside from the occasional bee cruising by looking for a nectar source, you'd never know i had about 50,000 of them living just a few feet away. i mow and weed whack around the hive all the time, and they just ignore me. sometimes, all people need is a little education to overcome their unfounded fears. good luck, i hope this helps, and if you have any more questions, feel free to email me or just post them here. like i said, there are many beekeepers, who are much more knowledgeable about bees in this group, than me. we'll all try and help. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:38:14 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <34022576.93EED089@valley.net> References: <33F09F79.7AA8@unhce.unh.edu> <33F0D830.206@ibm.net> <5t8ag8$7gk@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <33FA5DCE.9855A1C2@valley.net> <33FF3798.60CC@ix.netcom.com> <01bcb02f$01dc5660$9886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-152.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9444 Jack Griffes wrote: > Barb Hyde wrote in article > <33FF3798.60CC@ix.netcom.com>... > | > | I guess I'm looking for some "Friends of the Bees" tips. What > can we do > | to help? Can you point me at some information - web sites, > etc. that I > | can use to begin my education? > | thanks for your time and for anything you can point me at. > > One of many good places to start your online education about > bees would be at "Country Jack's Bee Links" - head off to my web > site and click on the link to take you there - my web site URL > is in my sig file below. Best wishes and do enjoy. > > -- > Jack Griffes > Ottawa Lake, MI > USA > e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com > Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ > > "Always be nice to other people, > they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." > - Steve White! " whoops, i replied before i saw your post, jack. funny, but i recommended the same site. ;) bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BVT Date: 26 Aug 1997 01:51:20 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bcb1c2$8b4ecba0$8786dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bcadb0$a9bcbfe0$0b3c3ece@sldean> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 25 8:51:20 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9445 Sharon L. Dean wrote in article <01bcadb0$a9bcbfe0$0b3c3ece@sldean>... | Does anyone know anyone who practices BVT for MS and who would be willing | to chat with me?-- I've been doing it for six weeks. TIA, Sharon | | | SHARON DEAN | 884 WESTTOWN ROAD | WEST CHESTER, PA 19382 | Voice 610-431-2222 Fax 610-431-0674 Sharon - take a look-see at http://www.beesting.com -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter Bees? -Help! Date: 26 Aug 1997 02:11:32 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <19970826021101.WAA25091@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bcb13a$a49cf2e0$4a5392cf@cooper> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9446 In article <01bcb13a$a49cf2e0$4a5392cf@cooper>, "john cooper" writes: > >Found many holes (pin size to pencil eraser size) in wood along the eaves >of my house. >Local contact advised me that these were Carpenter Bees, but could not >suggest method for >protecting against the infestation. Ive tried sealing the holes but this >does not seem to help as the next day several new holes appear. I would >appreciate any information this group might offer. >Thanks > > maybe you have different bees where you are but carpenter bees here make holes about 3/8" in diameter Article 9447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Sting on Breasts? (Danger - Naked Woman Image - Avert Thine Eyes) - Beestung.jpg [01/01] Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 02:30:09 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 506 Message-ID: <5ttesv$p7v$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: market.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9447 begin 644 Beestung.jpg M_]C_X``02D9)1@`!`0$!+`$L``#_VP!#``@&!@<&!0@'!P<)"0@*#!0-#`L+ M#!D2$P\4'1H?'AT:'!P@)"XG("(L(QP<*#7J#A(6&AXB)BI*3E)66EYB9FJ*CI*6FIZBI MJK*SM+6VM[BYNL+#Q,7&Q\C)RM+3U-76U]C9VN'BX^3EYN?HZ>KQ\O/T]?;W M^/GZ_]H`"`$!```_`(-(T+3)["WF>WB>5U&2A:;'RMJ"0H[>]3II M=A'D):Q@Y9>3SBA],LI%!:VA8X7^#/%-.DZ&.!2 M5RAQS7/ZG?6]YO5+94;<,`+U^AKKO#>GQ+HR/)$'\T;F#!0",^_I6JUK;;F8 M008);C;GM2I;0%L^2AR5;B,`4@@A4_ZF/@>F>]*;:(N2L0QN(X4#M4$\UG;[ M!<-"F[:1O?K4D#6LD`FA\IT"M\Z19'!]:L1S6]S'YD+B2(M]]2N.GM56.[TZ MXD6)9[5Y`H4+YH)Z\C`I9=1TFSN'C>:TBD4D$;[7SK>1)(RQ`*(3SBI`\@BY$H.%.3M7/- M-!&6!();>/FDSC\J2)E\T_(,@JIP%;JQ/>G*%SE5'+]D]JR=5UB/3;9I)5)^0`?,`QF.-!"AR"022:P68NVXDDGN>]3+>W"VYMUE=8CR5!QD^]5B3P3S^-"2.A! M5B,5T/A[Q";.Z6.S(()8MG(J2/A?EZ;0<)&!W] MZ>=VXYWCEOO28_E3L#(),?)7N6H&0HQQA>R8'6GY(//.9Z&2-'M1EAE%QR/6KNW:VW"CY6SEL]Z>N5R`P MQO\`X4]12;76$$L3A0>6]#Z4C,-QW``DL#QGM4-U(T<)92YVA3D)7*.U[%(;58!LQ&A4'!;&/6K!R?XFQO!X`':F94@;=D?:)$$JG<5Z'%/OY;6,Z7)9QVQC^7#H-L@;/.:?=P>?XHO MCNLU`D7+7)Y'RCIZUTU^(#I[/.D4T2VX8@+D'']*RI(=/T?P]";NW=_-#2."&"@-]Y@/E`[9JEJ.H)I]G).Q&%VGYGZ\5Y7?W\NH7+RR$XR=JYS@ M>E5"#S32W^-&?IUKKO#_B6YMX%28ETW*H;./S]*[JUN M8KN`.IQ\K`J[<@@]Q5Q`=XQM/S]1&3U%2?/M.3*!A3R0O>FD+D@D'AARV32@ M\Y)^4L.0OJ*0X"[CUV]SZ&IDQN('4EN@]176>%&_>W`YY1",FO+M"`;0[5F9 M"?*!'R9(^:M&4,7`VL1EAPN.U`)`P>OR'YFINXB(\\`-G"^AH:9ED^4221T+[0&8,53`Y'\ZR3;AIB0C;1M7+$`CMB MI]$@\FRG4[=RN5)R3G'I73Q28VJOS?,I^2/KD5*C.4)(DXC_`+P7.#44K(SE M&,>=Y`#2D]15&X$26Q\J587*K\T:YR>G>NH65<0,8]KMA]V`.II(-7LKK;#!6]FOF7$ MJQH"068YZBH8]:LC9/=K=#R5*!F`Z-Z&JZ:KI=RDDBS0N\*N0S`DJ"?_`*]: M4DT`O+?T>_;,GDIM,C$!DPW(XY'TJI*V@V,IG MECM%:0L1C+L!3HM3L[V MTFNX7;R$9^9)-F>`?KBK":E9M:-?)/"(?E8NS,?T^M5;/7K&\20P7&3#`7=1 M'@@`Y[]<4VU\2:=>7H@BED+,S8W#`.13[?Q+ITU^EJDO[UBJ@[/E)'H?TK4D M9BH^]]U\9('>FDJTI(VM\XP"2>H]JY'Q@)#:0*&/ED<@+@\9Y-<,X"O@,&&. MM-XYS29R.IX'Y4G/8BNH\(L"\P`&/+4Y`]R* M\LT1S_8-H"Q_U+#&\<]6+.[$P"LH!!3.7Z>U7RJKG`3A7`PA)ZY M]*Q-=AE>6(Q2S1$R*2$&W<".<5B:C;QVUL)XKB42GEA(^1)\W`^@%4/M(NKD MO.%)9L\\GI_*I$M;J_?R[2(L)&!&!A]/T.1DBC;? MISL87VQ1#]Z3MR`?\]JFU*>34+*`7,363_:%,9F`V9"G[WUJ704$ZZI;2QV\ MA!CW,@^1A]/:H(K8?\(5+Y*?-^\R0O8/GK]!5I[JVNM8TH0S++\X8J9,@#9R M3Z=?YUA-;W-AH)N8-LD-X&2=64MY9#D`@_@/Q-7"WV:]N7NPD=ZT$1@:X4;3 M\G/7CJ*TO"LXETRX9XXD\N<8V9`/3G'XUR5S,X-Q$LD17SF&T+\YYSG/X5M7 MECJ&H:_?-:",,@B+>=C(.T8&?7BJ=XRC3M$V-#$RI(K&3Y@#N/48/\JNZEN._'ZUT%E"D>L:FT42JOFQE=J>J0P7-I M%!,)4\Q=UM*GS1'<3UQ7;6GDL)U@)),\H?=DG=U./:K+B0M_%UC)X"YXQS7/ M^(XXOL3-)]Z.-^&;))S_`"YKSD8W].,T$<9Y[4AP1Q_.DQR*0CCOT_*@8]J7 MCDTF<#OZ5L:1K,=E+")XMZ))N!SG;QV'3_\`57IVFZA;W]J);>0,H5!@8YS0QYY`^\PY/J*E MC?OT"E""HKIO"(Q<7`RV=@[\=37EF@!7T>UX'$1!(3/;-:C/P.HY4YP!CC%( MA7#C@_(0`>7[#U%)R$5@S9VK_&!T--=5!;&W@MWW9S5`J)K_`,S= MS&J#Y5QR>I_(#\Z9=)\NX9!$;*`6Y'O5:X&V_0J5&Y<$#)&?\>30X\B))URI M1."J=.:T;6X,P()DWC=QO"X)'%9VMVWGPDQLF0%."Y;=VQ[5Q]\`FR.>%@Z` M@D#@GL/I3+&U6ZNH(`^TNX!R8))EU0H1GY@,_P`J6WDL+:TN M!`%CB@+HX7Y<$'-2QS6SS/;@(,80`P/\`A19VEM`/,MK9(LH,M'"!D@^M M,B:TN8Y($4R1)(\;K(0H#?>.1CUJ>:.T>`/,ENZJ4(+Y<#M1!$@MV2%`D94C M,:!1P:IQV%A]K9A!"2C?>8@\D>U6D$:LTBB($A=Q5,DXX&:;+;6\X\F2#S%7 M=A61,#G/?WJE'J-B+D)'%L9;CRAEPH#;>>@Z<"KBR0EB1Y!98RI(RQ`!I+=; M2.9A;+&I+L3Y<8'!%26=U%>VOVB/.TDHJ-U#(#\K':.G/0US7C-)(]*RF=H=V<#@X`X-.(!]`1N'7.:7J0>>2/:GHIQR><=SG MH:ZKPDFVXNCD=!QCWKRS0DW:%:%000H)R^*T648P`O3T)QS4BICL>21Z4(`R MY.,Y'5J<$"C(`Z'.UN?>JP3S;U"2P"G.#@`XK0FBCEAV'9@AADMGWKE+B>?2[QF4+MSE3LR,=R,U M;M_$"72F)?.>1A@*B@8Y_2L779YY)/GB944X&6R1]<5D6\[Q7,<8#/DTY%)'RG!Q_`GO6)XJN;B'3L1/(CR2 M[=^0@`]SVJ+PI/(VF3/<3-(RR\;FW$#ZU#ID+3ZC!)(2`XEN-N<U6S"R:;8#4);K[`Q8A?49^4 M'\*U]/0P>&)V6-RO[PPHS'>%/2N9TBUNVT_5)$\XX1=N`2&.<_G5K2K759M5 MVW8D2.11*X8E0<=!^=)#$)[J(J\W]I"9FGO;GI4\>G7GDP"V217CAD MN-_DG)2L>#\O?K5PJ0WW3@G^]CM1E0@QM!P.@R>#375CE2Q&6X/I2L,I`951NR<#.Y^?TI0,L4^7C..I-/93GG(Y^E)@8`&#Q4R+R>HZ^U M=5X40AKASCD#OFO*?#YSHEK@\A!T2M9T95PI.[G.>*:-H)R03QW)IRC;#D;L MCT6I2"0.,@G/+8Q4,B@<_+D@'`!-5;=##`V%;!9CP`*AQM#RD]3NY>LA)ME] M;AL996R1SSGI6RR2R8\LOMS_``@"J\NDQW'R2B;D9),^!GUJ:QT2TT]2D21L M23N=LL6^IJ2XTN"X493H00%CQBN]=$"0#]_`'&%`IQ/#;VVGD?-)_04R2.&:,JZPR#(RK)OS^=.\E5^ZF! MCI@**01HDG"H.H&T=!0X#`Y'7!Y'%*4C(*[$`&BH=NU8^Q.(R:4@]@W3L`*?@,Q M!7GUW9IX"K&-O)`XP*C<<#.<9%#`$*>IZX'O5^TT>:YFCPDNP?,Y*XP/;UKJ; M6+,+6,OF"-]PPQ`7Z#T-4H-)MO/>*XC3<&&&W9R/3%6IK*)+?RT&`>/E7]`: MXL6$EQJ+6\6,[L9/`KN/#UC#I47#(TK$;F.3GV^E==;S"1?DR<@_=CP/S-3/ M'YH&[((8'.[!_2E5<+R>W4"I%7C+`XYQDXI\8YR<8XZ>@[U(@!4AL#DXR<]J> M'PBG)QQT2HKARJ$8?`SR6Q6-<7(2U)PN2?4DBHI[@&Q`7K(`@PN.^*QKJ<)J MENNY@JDKR>@K>MKD6"U%(%VX^3(! MSND)/6LO4(UDB8`*=QQ@+7+KK$\XJP)= MG(QC((*I_4T,Y&68/DC^(@=_:C<"Q`QDGC`SV]Z4.W& M4<\`R#G/85(O"(3M/`."Q:@+G=Y?N,K%S^M.Q(2=P=1D'E@/Y4T%>?NG`P>2 MW0TL9(=@%."YZ+CM37+``$MT'WGQ3!&OF?=C)Y&=I:IV#YS^\QD=(P!TJ,9Y M#'^'[K2>GTIRJIDXV'+8X!/:GA]HW889QVQ06_=DY&0".3FHR"S*><@_PKZB MABXQUP`,Y;WJAJDB0Z9=22HKH$;*X//'2O(W(9R57`)R`.U-P7:2JAC$2_.0N"M::7JW$94@X4$G+^OI[U';6=K%(\P^623;N M;&=OMSWK2!5!L&X!$YP`-GL/6M&QF42!-R`?[Y(Y[#WK9A92N%/0#D#_`!J8 M^AST(Y-*65",G&2.`,]:191@\G[O@`.,G/2JUUG>R MH%P>1A">OUKF[IB+$J=V0"V.`#SG/TI+1UN(;4&<@]7+69#P"/YUIJ3MR`G*YX0 MD]:G;<2,[\!B.%`ZBLN^`6/!QC`)R_Z<5R-^$6Z8*V<$Y('(]JN:%?20WBPD ML0QS@<9X[&NE-PI4=SMY)?T-/$B-Q@<%A\JGKCUI5G'RG/'!P3C/:GQS*3V) M`//4]:G649VX/)(R3CJ*5;@!CG;T5LA<^U.!9DP!(1AAQ@=*=N"R?,.=PX:3 M/44JLGEX!4G;DE4R>#4@)W%1O'S$=AVJ*&4'+,1C(QEL^U*T@9?E7C#`[4YX M^M.!8./]9@L.K!1R*C\P$9;RQA006D+'@T+(#)A..6'R1^V>]-,C;MV9.=K$ M,P6C>RH%&WE6(.2>AJ15!QDY'.#[59N;I[VU^5=P\SE$3!/&1@ MJN!W/TJ1M*O;Y6>ZNHH$#,`B*L6NSC86`;#`*F!@'&[/K^/XUO63 MDPXRS`EE!D/S#OS5Y77.01MW`\#U%+)+OY.[.WZ=#2,B#>JXR=R@YSC(S72^ M#XITO9&:*/RVCSO5\D=NGX>]>:>&AC0+8AAR-W7IASVK99=RX`P?FQA?QI=W M[U,[AR"><#&*:`/*;&W[OUZ&EED,,1<=0Q'W0.HXJ@9%D19)&).0&R_/7&.* MQ;F/S(I;?RU&TE=H!.>.WY51A+6@F')!8#D8#Y'3VK+B4RW)+G+$GDGG.?Y5 MVEF5$6%"8+;0`".6`Z6/.6?[S##.!R>1TI"X=LYC!)1\@ECZ4R#<8R MJEA@.#A0.0W3\JF+_O26'!;.3)V9?_K4S(*`[$)V*>%+'@X-*JL`RIYFT%U` M5`O;/?M2>8=RE@<%E;+R>O':JP^977,9.".A;H?_`-=3"1APNX`-@8&.JTU9 M\(&(`.U3C=GH<4DC[E^0CG.1G4C8!U&?SKD[[P8KW`:SE6*':K$2-DC/%IXZ&GJN7()7[[<'G@BG1R$*.6QA# MT_"NJ\*N3J:J2>(V'7KSQ_.O-_#!+^'[;&\C:XX(QPQ-:Y()&0.6'5L]10BX M4,.H3'3D$&G;.&7+_>(.6`X(JI>G;;"1G3`VLXQ^7XUG:G$!")%V\1GGD]#T/O6?I=NS7?\0V`C('*Y M[>]=%!N6'#A@=JDC?CGIQ3KF$+;J65&8;@>I!.<@=:TK6(JJ[00`RGY8<=OP MXJ#D=>E.C8KM8?>&UN!R!4L8(4*,9VDX8]\YS5M%82#E0"3G"^H[YIYR0H M)E.*D2=\>8>"P'45%E,*6(Z(>YY'%`X#`!B`K+D* M![TT%6/..7!PS>HH(54R0I^7.54GH:D.,E2IQ\PP2!G/-9&H:VEI*!"JR2?* MY^;A>,`/456:WN(3SD`XS@\8_QJ[IMN'E#R#@')9LM@#L M16Q(#NVLF%,A^6-.@(Z*:C=V9%+!CYA&[HH;!Z>U)C?,Q*JP+E23EF'L1W'O M72Z5%Y04[-K,P)\M/EY'1<]JU$("@DGIGYF`S@^U2JR[R/EZL.!GJ,TH;A2# M_=/H/2D8XR"!G8P]>AKJ/"1W:L<#HK=?H*\X\+R(=!MS\HVN0<+DUN[@8P1G M&%/RKCH:4,ID*9!;YL@FE4G;\H&H?-;?*!M8`!57@@'D^U5C>/+`(6=B`Q57;Z?Q"H;(YN_E7;R MI&_7ZUH3AC&REI,;@>6"\$4VWQY7S8R$P,R%B,'I[ MU2V&V9Z`5F7$(V,&V_Q+C.2,'^5,@E>PPW%.&2 MI[G&.3SP?Y5:C1O,X!.YBN5&,Y%3KN90#\Q4J1N?FGHI92%V@@,.$+=#[FK! M65"=JR#_?#;$?,0-X'4D=`?6LIX3%"QW,6V[*CEM40,%.\D*HPF%8^A]*C:)E#`EP%RN<@'/OZBFO"A!7=N;.4 M!D)Y(Y8'^E5GM_E!7;]W`^7(;GJ?0U=L8Y%A9U+J`"F>`5XZGUI'D,94,PRB M@CY\X]Q[T'Y3\I4#802%R/Q]#4]LSK("`ZA.I^4&/(_7-=18(JVREO*^Z#@, M2.OM6BH#<+Q]X#"?XT`Y89W#E3AC[4P+A<8P`O89Z&I&8[L')^8@C..HKI_! MRJ=29L*"(LC%>:>&F(T*(J7X/9ACK6XC!8E!*C@@Y.AI"JEA@#.3V)[5A7\9@N04#!)`'X&.?0>U46.Z':V,@-G+<-[> MU8DDODW"L!G'S9VYSGL?:GP74F^$`,<`L1T_(^E=3I^.,A26)ZMP!5F)B"H]2W`&.W:ITDRRL2NN:D24[> MK`[#RJDQU';%2(L;`$-#C"D\,QZU.B%7P`2/G`VQ8_G M229!)(8]"/F`[5'"P\M6.T'9S_$>#4N&WY!6/6LRYFFO'C8HT:%L[5'3CKGO5=;;;M+``\'.[ MMGT]:58"[!\="V.,D#^M*VYG51D(2"<$`#Z>]0M;F6,Y*@D8)8D\`]"/ZU'_ M`&:Q;&P`[SG8A+8QP`>XJ2+3@R%6W88KP`JACZ#GBH98$5VWMG>Q!)?.2.Q` M'3W%0%E23$>T[I!@#+'./U%1>4''R_Q'K@*K$'K[5'(A#.7;DN1EGS^)'<5? MTZT,F2@W#*[3M)QZL#_2NNLH&B@(^8+@\@!<^YJVD:EBNX$%NA6,8)/(;C-/$(\S/7YA_#[5T7A"(C52Q)XB/&:\M\/,J:'&-RY8'JI M]:ZA4_=A?FP3CICM3=Z\,=N0%/WL^U"J%#E>,ANBT\'"#.[;D9YQBLW4HHVM M"X"ED4D$$L>#_.LI\`L1QN.TX7CIT^M4;JS,BEBK#"J!D]/8>M-M;!(YLL%/ M5<#)]^*ZF"(H%X;!*_=0#M3I5+1LN),A2/FD`Z&JR%4G=':/E^[ELG'4M-MW/FA_LB,Q4<;21]?K746ID$),PV%4(([K[&K:DAS MG:!P`.N,BIUR(\Y/W!TX[]ZDQSRJX(8#+9JQ&H09W#JOW(_\:MH7V8S*,)SD MJ,HI9RBVY/R?<4_*A.:A8,JA#NP`PQD"ERN0WR#++W)[5 M&N57Y=_*?PQXZ'WIS!M[;F,(\X ME<`X"D#).>V>G%)(^6P@(VH82-F3@,V.>C9/7WK M/GE;?@JR[-Q^5`"@]!QS68)'>9`0O8XW8!/H/0TN,?,Q5N#N*@G)ST/^-68( MGD=PK:TN!0%E/7[PQCJI.>:Z/PGM&H2 M>'\G0;;<,@NP&6X/-=,""`W'WE..O:F$'&0&X4XVCC(-3H?WC!@`-W4MZBF< ME`1C.`W"9[U!>!S`5/F`'<.@6L-5*2^4SYVR#[SYP,=ZN16P\H#:.AX"Y(P: M5[9A,A7>`9.>@X(_G5Q5^09QPH^\Y/?VIZKSA=N*>2'?@`8Y(ZYJ6.3Y M07[A>7DST/<"K`*%F4"/.7`Q&21W_&K,+G=T=22C#Y0!TQ3+HL+.3+$-L;!+ M>A]J;@"9\:X`6/[ORY(7D\XX-. M6)0&&#NRRDEL9QSBJ.H2DLB<'=*,A3D\CMSTJ),"#Y=I5U`X``8AC]<4Y(R9 M6)Y+._4\C_ZU2;L$[5!+.OW1U[<&FH[[#PQ'(Y(&<'O[4LLB\@B,9EXR2QZ= M?I3#>E8R$&=VUAB/@@'KD]#5.:^D/F9>09R@=SC'^\/7T_K69=W:_.A&TJ1@ M!B2F>I'KG/\`]:HHBPA?:JY9`JA4R#]/]JK23.2X/FXW&//`(R!\IK5M(02Q M=>8]G!);:,X^6N@M00K!"00&4;8OQQSWJ_AF.")!DCYF<#@BFH-L8^9<[0><\?I74_,(QP>%4GD#H:'16.T`9W.N,]R,T(#DG M+#[C<+B@KF%L@G"L,,_H:JW85UP&!)D&%`)SG\*JW$&+KS%#<1*#A<<@]_:I MHDQE2,@,R@L_J,Y%-?;]H0H1G:C8VD^V:E52H,8+EPK#H!WJ5O\`6!L\[@1N MEX&X5D7>R-U;,.5C(XR1U_GQ5A22Q^\-K$'"#C(Z'-/.0ARIR(T.-V.>F!5& M\C58S@*0J,-H!.3P0*YC4`PO4W`C:5)^4`@D=/<"K:Q!+55S#'%:<*LNSD\!3C..>A_"I$(`P,%ECY[ACGCZ5;VD MRNIW'!;G.#DC^52PKD@OM;A#W.>U6(D.WY2Y(1Q\J8SSWS5P%O,&YWQO4X:7 M'WEZ\'I[401HL(8F,G8#U+$D-3[UML9"DX\QD&(\9)QBHQE65CN!'ED[GQ]: MBD10,9CQL<="QZYIRL4D!`E(#C.U`.JU"7&,-Z"DF=4Y#0@9< MG1AZ55CE,LBY)`7YSM7E?>M*-V$0R" MV69CEN&S_%]:2UD7S8VR%`8-O/..,](KY8,P(^96.6]12 M@D<=`%XP/0U,CA68'')86QN4^G44@52AR>0G')/0T.&P$`)RYY` MQP15&[9@L>YF7E5Q'N9W)&:F`_=*.F%/"KTY]:ANFWG@L,MM)) MQQCO7)ZH=UR""#@@=!R0,594R"'G=@ MJ1QQT/2I-RB3:2AR[<,Q)Y'M4\!4@=,'825B.>#ZU;#'RV!$G1ASA?>H+MMZ M*=RDF5",MFF%QVZ;?X4ST-#N[+\A<9=L9P.U1,8R06*?P'YG+'\JCE?'*!,` M,ORPG/7KTJE+/+=.=Q81!UQ@!0>.](-D2*#@D+@9?).YG+%L``,S`;1ZC M^=8UU0Q_A&>F/8BKEE'Y-DQ.WS&0K@DG;]*T[?YM.*$ M8)_N@#YN1STQ392J,PVKU884$_E5::7"G+8!('`Q^%86HW0(9PZG'Z55>0Y(0D\`$XZ_6IX%`&>X'`)YSZ_2M5&"PL-JL3@@$ M9R?7VIT#%5WC(*KP0H&.>]=!9WD8*Q@,"`2-S\O(Y:A&#N&.`M;Y8L_7H3G+>U."KQM(SA2.,TY M0<$;B.&Z#'>DDP4+;1NW#DL>:SK@!PJ#:"!\V%SC!I&^4G[P`Z=!C(IN]=O. MT<#JQ-5X)XBS?,O!8'"_I3WO!%,#EB,@]0/RJ7SXR@Y7D$8+DYK-U.9!(C`Q MXWXX0\DCH:F@D(C&=_"CG`'X_2I1(&[C!W$%FZ^]5Y2O!!Y&#]W/YUS>H@+( MBC=QV.!^-:UD5-O&/EP:L1NHP/QSC..*GC?:5))^4#KQ4ZN#GE1][&03U]:FMRQ(/[S*G/RJ!C\ M34X*JH5OE^4\-+[^U3;U?A0ARW92W:H;DLHA^\%#+D!0*5CC"L.F1DO^-(^P MG("'D'A2:169(R51U`''"KWK(U*[(N!!Q@G+!IL9_*B+`567;T!X4G)]Z2XE M*J!CGD\`#WK(N;Y5.,\9WA_A_K6?=.8V!W`#.3EL#I7/W5VQ'4=.HY(^M M8T\C%L=!U`]/I521RP(S@GKS4:1]23GU[UI6<1.!M."02!A"WZFI@2K8)(&`1\H%+("D>X,#V&3FJYR[EB,DGL*LQQM@;@0,#DFNA M\,LJ:Q#M[A\X'L:\V\)%/[!C&5SO<#@'A<5A/J$):1M_S;BIW-R/K547R2#(`&".@R<>M2_:?W9Y M.".I&.*P=0G,-RTL6[:3R-W(JE_:CS3*`@&,=.WTKH(+TE2,D;LCY0`#[?6J MNHW.Y/F8XR`=T@X]L#M5^!]\0R5!QC@EORJQO/(]\<+C=5>9B48Y/`Q\S?YX MK`U(J7X"GYNV<'W%;>GEGM5/.,#G&,_6J&II^\)+/&2<8J9N0H4L,G&0H'6HG MR`G/0U=BE^7;EE., M',G3VXK,U=I,G8$;)Q@$G\C7,SSSF3+@@="<5U.FV%M;Q>9`3*TB\N3S^%:6 M55,\$%@.%ZU-M#Q`,F<#C<>*1VCC4(`H'3`R?RK$U.Z924##&!_!C)]ZY^YF M.<9Z>]9\CY;C'/3CBC:M2"+8@QMZ9R!D?_`%C2 MW`=%SDC"_P!W&![U7+#=@9X'KT^E26XPVN#_P#7KJM->>,'HY.:YW6-'2ZN4^RL(YVYZ8!K!FMK[31Y=RI"G^(-P< M?RJH;TXY8'DGD_SJL;IG(!SZ].E(9%B8<8[]:?\`;L`$;BY(]A6#J62`>S<] M<`_2MG20K62-\I..3@GD>M,OH&/`1P022`N.W;-4((VMMLH.0Q!/S?>K4C)E MC4J3SD\#D#Q4\+<#CCC.%YJW&<]:$X+ MQ@GG(#,TB:G'$Y`I)V`09WC(W,R\Y[Y('H16'=*M.B<,PSZ_7_(K:TZV#LH`W!B#A5`S[@FME;(>7\^XY/4N`&P> M^*IZE`BQL?E+%N"6)(X[^U82MG&W'/.,?J*O6;,_`/+9&2<#\?>NETX1Y&X( MIR#G)8@>]=!;%60$(2=O\,?H?4U9PP;#;L9(Y8`=*@<@=UY`(Y)I50!B>#U' M`J8?.1V&0>6KH_"I5-8B(Z;&Z#VKS+P@R'1G5L9$I/()].U=!&V5(7)7YAPF M*D&])(&#@;F4;L'``ZBJ+'_38V&/N`\MGVJ2>"&Y MA>-XU=&W*0$S7.WWA$29>UE9,[<+(``*Y*^M)=/O'MY<%DXX-6UMQ,A=I(&!UZ52<202L4'`;;@GH", M\>M6H+D.#R%8!0<#CZ?6K0H[$]ZO1RNB9+R M$!1P-J]#TJ?=N!SC.64@R9]^U52Z/>1A-C#@_*I/MWJ5M\:ECNQM(YPHX-0R M+YMRK&3`#\J&)W$@\?2GJ7!RI.-JD;8O?'>GAI"3Q-C+JX_PJT;MB`552 M%0#.WMGJ?>HKEFRPRP"^N,CO69]9[,`",8(&.E+:@^G6J"-"WED-&IR)21U[>GO[UJ&)0S,!$&!=250MGVZU3OD9@L8QN0JRY]UR/^!>E=3I0OT MK?C"!6W`#)?&]^OX4X,&?@H1E3\JYZBF7^#]W]C3_>P';H<=`IS73HH555PNXO@\Y[ M4)A5'IL4\#WJ3>2[*`0-T@Y..U032=`77[R-G.>,555P+WR0Q#B%CM"@?Q>] M62<-CG!?^*3'4<50FU.TMXB7EC!"+TRW1N:X_P`1E+J\2XA?S%E4X(&`2">E M4]/<;%5L?>&M;GE#RUX;E%8@``< M-UJ-X07?@'+/C)R>/456-KOD48X+JP`'0%>HK)GLU!#J=K$;@?3#=Q4EM]6MY!CV>8%, M@R5AP.5JKA3=Q28;!AW9+X'WAUQ5IPF64!.KK@`GWI59C(N`Y+,AZ!>U1?*Z M99<#:>LI[-P,5)^[\P!?+_UA&%0L<%?UJE?VB7NG-#*C_,$.2H'(/4>E8%I9 MS":5+E<&.5E=B_W\#H1Z=\UN6R"28,5`+2)@#)/3M[587O@,0RGVY#4EU&MR MD\;8VLS+\S=,K_*N)!Q\FT8+*<#O@]0?Z?RIAFY)'\3$9/`.#W':FR7`8%1@ M#>",\D<H^M-A?9<*<[0".G)'TKO=(N` MMJP61B6C*XC3Y2AJA`?8^U=9IZ`JP>%%*J4^> M3D$'K]*VX9%\PX>,`MP%3DY'%`+;`:\S\&`?V/*!MR97'( MS_"M=*ISC(?)*-P,=L4TC;&`?^>9!!;T-31D--@#/SGG&>JU%,Q"D;(8 M3A6?F,YXP/?-4+>7?HXYK52XC>`?TJ`2D'"X$>>3D,RP``%641`\KGD'JWI6_!?"?"[I@RASM. MU2,CK[BK:OG8"<']VV7D)_&JC.K71/$1$!!V)GC=W]^*L[SO)9I``Q(_AZK0 M63RE_P!6/D7JV>],1@N0!R-X)$?3(Z5+&S+("WGCE#Q@=NWZ5GW=VL*%!M+% M&!!DR"0<^M0Q?OI8Y&(VASN(7)Y'>M`#")\TF`B9[=^U*P4-DJI.7'WLTT.= MX90`-RGA,GI_*N1U:)K>[R%;8X,@!XYSU%9K2*7!R"2QY/?ZU"78[>3\N&XZ M_7Z55=FVKGOD\G@U`Y^;\$7E>>@/<5C7D\DK*5).Y\\<`\=O2BU MDN2QQ(5W8R6[X/?VKI=,FG:8'[6#EF&/*#'IU]Q736L\C*A\S>,H1M0(&_G4 MS/\`)\Y_A8?-*!WI!*A/WTSY@R,YZBFB4B`%2,[>P]#4RS2,Y'E<;F!RW;%; MOAVX9=<^#B_]ER[`3B8]&Q_"*Z-&(4MQT3`R32JV5)8\#=] MU>U3(Y$N<'!*_P`7M5>4KM(!4';V!/0UB6LK=N2%E(9^JC(4+W_0^]:!&2_4Y8IRW3CI MQ_.H)QN!Y0YV`AXCADPQ(8%3A<`G/3VJAIR^?JJ;R``P_C]J`I,9)SC;VX[U'*J M[N0I)+#).<<5FW<(X_2LV>$,)#\PQIL5M@R#Y@0&7(3:#S[GK[U>*"-L-NQE>"X&`1[4H"&+@=$P.">]#HY9F M"D#+8(`'4>E0^:`?F;!^7AFZUBZ_`LUJ7`4O&"!M'7GI[5RIFM#`=\!+*%&?D. M1QU(--CO2H&2>%P.Q7_&A[L'&T\*"`,_J/>KEHK`%V7'`ZKT'O5H2.@888`1 MD8!`(]O>D$VU@KIGO\K<=.@]*$D"EF8*<*-W[HXSZ$?UJI?W[01+Y?#9(.1Z M]O<5EI?W:-N6YE]<;R*W;/5+AX(V,T@PI_C)R:TX=7O%=2MS)P2>3R"]6NI]>MU>3>H5B6`P2=IK"\%C=I\P(&1."#MR>E=(-PCR=P&.F,=Z>0OS< M#;N.,GU%+$RG&T]`O1@YK3MY%Z%T/S'.1^M2>9M"A]:.F7?[X12DF1F."J\D8['TK2$C>4@Y.<'EL`G M/Z4ID484;7;YO4_G[5/#%N=6.]G+!L!!C./>I&0NHW*W3)WR!>0>O%#)&3@F M,C>0<$MVI/+WA6"\`*1B/%/VD*W-1.>#GN?P^E1/@L?4G MZ_A3<$G&,Y/8?RK0T^W7F5P<,2HYQGV/I5TODDDJWS#JQ)_^N*JO;0RL6\L% MF)QL&`?H:.3BM)$, M46PMR.#C_/-/0R@_*>I`_P#K"NO\"M+_`,)+"[$DA'&.H<@`D!?X>57.::2Y7#!\!".P[UEZW;&>,[$ M5G5@0`V2>.U9%E(`C$;6P@ZQY#?7TJ4Q&"9G42@$'!*A<>Y'<58\QT0[E)P% M=09.?3.:HW,PVEE"C"'J,Y]SZ&L"ZE+R`<_X5JZ4ACBWDJ#MW8+>_;WK>AFV M_*&7Y=PW;<@`]CSUJ\LS(.DG&T\D97(_6E%W@'E!A?[V1U_G6E$P(&!R">_J M*D4],E1G;WS5:XB;!VG:0AP<8[U1D1%F._`QZOTX[8%1N%"<%"`BYVH3W[^_ MO5:="%?;YGRJRX``V>WO6=8J;6^3))S6 MS:P,J@L'SG!.0.HZ#VJRNT`9,6<*3N&2$(7';(.:AV\C)YP3ZX^M,9<8R".,]>E$<8:1 M5+`<QI4VC#$@],G;STZ8]*U*,%U!*D,<\M@,??TI`5^4@CD M;L[<]_XO:A>H4!L?,P4+C_@0/I[5FZD2QCW,2&.[)[^Y]ZEU%;865D87C+>6 M=^.H.>].@3]S$"",\XQT]Q5F")!M+8YYY/!Y_G79>!X@_B&WC*Y!23$;#T!Y MS6=X(Q]EO`>G!^YFNOPQ)QNQNQV'45$V"B\`\*>3[TX;2PQGJP^5:CR3(S`L M?F4GY\`<53LF!BDP1U;&3GH?UJTP.XA0QS)@@+C&14!+!.E9=_<$"3!/+$9]>.XK$'[R8>N0*Z>T! M2T$>/E.1D+P3ZGT-3M-MD9\L#O"[G8\`CJP'6FK2,_P"> MM2?:<22X<\DCH`/Q'K706M4W"L>B_P"L&,,7901G M/O56<;HW^7&[9]U,`C/;T-5(97AO=[Y`9S&V6Y'L?\:[>$9`VK'@LA'RDXR* M>!*L?5P-A^Z@'(/O2O\`-M9E8_O<#=+CJ/05"_ED#:T0.U#D98]<4DF\A@I/ M\8!6/%(0!(,Y)+J?F?U%4YG`@(XR4P``3R&K$U*>1&E/S'YB!VSDIJ.P?S+$$%SD28Z#O4J2()%)V$%U;)?L14&_$8 M"XW"(GY5ZBG#OQP<A[@=":I3OAT_A M(E+<+DID_K7>VKN88F&_[L;X)``[4K$/@.T8`5@0TF3UZ$4X&,-D!"=XSLBR M>5J,LY7.V7(C')PO1J&7]ZVU1908<8S\C$*N<=N*S[UBV%*M@ M[ADG&<'(KEM1DS*<\[GSGJ>G3Z53L;62_NDA1=PSO<#C@'L<5I7EGV$1*')W$E3T#X/6H&(!)SC+'!/T M[UIP,$B3H-NUCQEEQCYO?Z4UV8N5#-\S,>F`1Z_6J['(!P1\P&6/08Z'WH)P MISA<'&.I3![>M&22W4[FZ(."/;WHDD"AGRS%L*#G&[!Z&L^YE:5B>=N2`,]/ M_K5`1\QY!SZ"FL"1@9Y[GO3552>A!]^U.*]2!SW%3V\TUM(6A=E;L>Q'I7IO M@OQ)!=7:)*!#=)GY0H&<5$1]\,3T899_P#"F,=V655P&4XP3G(ZU#*&5" MH+A=SDDD`$@9?[H(]JR88$4NH,9(4`84G(!Z@^O^>*;=EHT90[``%,[,<$9P M1Z^]<[.KLQ?!VKQU^[[4V!A&W4=,'WK36[SN8,<],^H(Z'VI);@D8)/`7JW3 MZ>U,##.`5)V[<@'#$U=M(]]P%^9@A7/..O;Z5U-G&%CP<9"`<<]#5\\@@D]2 M`3QVS5=PF,L5)!4X))R:KNP(;:.&!`PG7GI4%PS+\_S\-_%)CJ/0=JRIY$\M MA\F[`XW$Y(XR#56:X&6(PRC*@[,!N.]5B_F3QJ"P)=0,GD<\GZ5W=N%6$*=N M1&0,@L>#4[':&8;_`+W\,8&0B/)\S)4'YI`N,?3\:9E!G.S^('+EN,4 M%MVU@`/N'*I5::7$>T9P$(Y;'>LC4KA=A^[Z=SU':N5O;DESR/(R61=@`P/P^E M7:S,S8'4G;GC)]/2HK6W:5]\F=HQC(ZGWK09V4#!/R@^F0?7W%0[\N,$>H^; MJ?4>]1%L`;0I(')QU^OO3D<\$Y`'MR!2ABJY.0H&2,XQ]*I22;WR1G=G(!IF MY21\HPOL3GV-,RI/0].@II..?3GZU%&"6R>I'>IE'/'&/TJ<0L2HQUP0*T=, MMG%['Y9(;!R,X)X/2NB\&D?9+A6"D"4'!;V':NH1<#Y,`[3T7.,&G%793C=R MWKCK3&1E'4<*"?FST-4;E3Y4BKP3D<#IFI+9)%MHLGLN[#`>W%.*JP(.W//4 MDTU0Q8]YMC$Q*'Y" M>]0K(1U/XXZ5)Y@VXYQ].GTJ4.%`9VP.O7M]*NZ=J\,#*DJE%SDL!DUU=I?P M7$8,,P(Y_BQ5S<2`=P`ZGC.*C<,1U)X_O`57=`&X9>#DYRU497<87:V1@G"# M*CV)K(NI20021G)QN`'T&.E56;C)(.3DDG/X&C3XVFU*%.?E.XX]O2O0(\E5 M#/GG_GI@4["L.2K=.H9JD,1;(`'<<0@?SICEMQW,W8\N!FH)&`"@LA)'=R>] M59SDX48.3T'ZUSVI2/CEN,9Z]<5C?VH8LI#!%DC[[+DU'_:EXHVALC.X?+C\ MJB;4+J;Y<%B/QQ3FAFE(,C!?8=0*ECMHE5<]3SDGM4A;'\6/7V'I2-GIC!SV M'(^E1DL0!DY/7H`?I33G<26SDX.6Z^QI1CKU/7U.?\*BN)#Y:H.C$YX_457# M8R0>IZFD."!R/8YZ"FJA=PJKDL<''7IZUM:,T:[)PV2J@D<>YK4\$_ZNZ'(Y!Z M5UX&0P.<9[M3!P>=OX#-228VG!['':LB\;9!)_>P.`W(J[$H%LFW:/EXPM-( MY!&<>Y`J%AL4\C('`)R::5SQGU'"TUNW+=!WQBHI0NUE^7N/O$UD0SJ48-MP M3CY8SACZ#T-95[:3W4CM"'9%."S#'X52M(GAD9\;AT*@U#?R"28;MM*5Q][8:A\MAD%3FE!>-LH6!]JNVVNWUH`!(77 MT^=R1\HP,\X^E=M;2YB&TGH,80"K"N[KRQP,C M+28IS,.?]7C(YRS4S..`#G&#MBQG\ZAFB&26!;G'S$9%9TSHFYFP>!@6/MZ5(8%A M4JBLH!QD\$_6H9![#M@9_E1M&S.,YX''!IIR2>O'&2>E,+=@!P.FX\>XIA(+ M\;/Q''_ZZ4\9)R,`#IT^M+QTR1CMGI]*JW1'F#@8QV/%0CA1T_*G/VR2<41. M8G$B$AEY&#SGU%=3H6OV=I:S_:D!F.6,C$L7]JYV2^%W>S3A%0-]U0.`*:IP M.1@\\XZ5/'&"1DXP/PK7T2W:75HHTQPI.UB!V/>M'P80$N"P7&X#D>U=@I"I M].N%]Z0Y&X#/4CK22R!8220>AY&:R;ICY8`8\GL,=ZOHRB%,ODG!Y?@\5&90 M>%QD#^[DYIAD(./F')[`5&2F0Q9<=>6Z^]-!7/!&1G^'-*>,??ZYXP.O>N?O MH(K:[`D0;),E27XZ\CV-:=F+=5\H,#CN06(![5AW<7V.]VC.'&\`<8^E4+^% M9(C(2`W))SU]JRD4L0`,DGBNGTC3HXHU=T+2$;CT'3T-=)!L`&2G.D7$-U(T<6^)G^0H,XSVIMQ MX?O[2V%TZH(]H;(;FJR:E<18#D/CU'/T^E3->B15^]R^1^[ M]NO-6A.QC`)?[N[[P4=>M-!!<%BNXY`W2$_F*:\J@+\JC@$[5S@5F78ADC,; M9&5;J MN,^M*1[?_6^E(%)/3KV%)(Q$+@DAF('U]J=`H#-DX(7@>IJW#"\\$DN45(V' M.>233S*Z1`!CACSCH<5>L'?[7'Y7RLO%0W;,(2?F'!!Y]#6/>,-^PKG+@``G//I5\E@A( M..!D!>/I379PS#G.2N-V,<9Q4)*DD[E)RO')Z^E-*E0<9/!'W<`D4_(9O^!` M[&"3P*P[J3]W)C()P",>OK[U+8V\98N5R`H(R>5Y_6NCCA M10PVJ.JC&2,=>/>K:(5+%=P^[DX`QGM]:)`0K*04I&3Z!>_3MQ61J=_>7$2VF4$2D@D?Q8[5BW4:@L5R0"!R>F:J/&C9 M*E588^4<@_2F;6!8<]P>*"N2/J.,ULV;`1L.,;=N`,[C[5M6\W!8L2"X7=@# M)Q]T_P"-6XIRP8%B=H4;2_.0>WJ*T%*8946/G<@PF0QQGC/2I"[QL67S"H*8 M;8%SVYJM=3%(B#DN5*@,_<'K]*QK^Z"L^W9UP"!D-D=?8U@/=@72RG/R@8)Z M@^]:-H5:W+IAG?=QG)'?-*Q7YBIQG:`<<'W;)XJM,NU&/(VC;\S@_'^M.<$C(.``HSCI]:B/RA@?X5VD;NGTJ)@,D;5XP.!USV]C2*OWNHP`" M0O3V-.8%2V=W'!&[D?3U%`QR3M.`.,_>^E,NH\QY`W;,Y('7Z_2JJ]_;!HX* M@X&=O<_K2IPV1CY>>5'ZTACW9))&T!N>U,B.6?'0#U_E5A,^6!NXR"0*L_NO M*08?>@8M[=,8_6M'1HP^IJQ5MJ@C*CIQWK3\#,9?MP`4`*#R,],UV@)2;:2/ MO+T&.2.:J>;L1L#/R9Z]PPILXWJAX!:1A].,UFW+;9[?.>9/X3CL:N2D*K*` M3C=R6/3-2"']X#N&3(`#CID>]4/-`A+$'D'C..0W6G0,)I<;0,L^<\\`5)&O MS1J#C*J00!Q39?EC`;+*0X(W$<=L5D:PRR00#8-S$.Q))!PF<$9]_P!*YZ6' M:B-D9*E\X]R/Z5M>'[UI7-M*N]-QWJ"-W4E>O3K5BW;?!D`95!C=SGYAU]>M6&CV$ M-QCS)%P!C!]I]^:6V\-_:80_VO:""VT1]"?QJ*S\.B M\N3"UR%PP!/EYSP.V>M7T\&#`([BT:=M2?)YQY7\_FYJN/`L,J$"^=0T8]_>IX/`%HZJ6O9MV><*.>:2#P19SS/&UU Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: North Texas Beekeepers Date: 23 Aug 1997 15:28:02 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bcafd9$96976700$339586d0@jlheubel.wf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 5613@208.134.149.51 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9448 Hi, I'm a homebrewer wanting to make some mead and am trying to find a local source of fresh honey. I've looked in the yellow pages and asked around but am having a hard time locating any beekeepers near the Wichita Falls area of Texas. If anyone can help direct me to a source it would be much appreciated. Private email preferred since this is probably of limited global interest. There's an anti-spam address so just hitting the reply-to-author button won't work. Sorry. Directions are in the sig. TIA, John Spammers forced me into this. Real responses replace "spamless" with " wf ". Article 9449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer, Jr" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting on Breasts? (Danger - Naked Woman Image - Avert Thine Eyes) - Beestung.jpg [01/01] Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:40:24 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <34024218.36E2@worldnet.att.net> References: <5ttesv$p7v$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.188.215 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9449 Peter Amschel wrote: > > [Image] Why do we need this? Article 9450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: malbisse@post1.com (malbisse) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New French Hives -- Round Skeps? Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 05:57:19 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33ffc821.20664487@news.ioa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 14769@208.131.128.238 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9450 Saw an article in an issue of Permaculture Activist magazine on a French beekeeper who developed a new hive design that he claims aids in healthier bees, and greater resistance to mite. The hives appear to be a kind of modernized skep -- circular sections instead of rectangular, and constructed out of a straw and plaster mixture. It seems to combine many of the benefits of TBH's with some of the benefits of a conventional hive. I was wondering if anyone knew of anybody in North America who was actually using this hive design that might be able to give some first-hand information on how it works. Thanks. malbisse Article 9451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: REMOVEjeffs@daknet.com (Jeff Schlenker) Subject: Re: Bee Sting on Breasts? (Danger - Naked Woman Image - Avert Thine Eyes) - Beestung.jpg [01/01] Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 04:40:54 GMT Message-ID: <34045df2.172819757@news.iw.net> References: <5ttesv$p7v$1@nntp.pe.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.157.148.19!dtg-news.DTG Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9451 Last time I checked, I didn't see the word "binaries" in the title of this newsgroup... Therefore, binaries don't belong here.... do they? Article 9452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting on Breasts? (Danger - Naked Woman Image - Avert Thine Eyes) - Beestung.jpg [01/01] Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 04:53:44 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5ttn9p$5l$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <5ttesv$p7v$1@nntp.pe.net> <34024218.36E2@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lasierra.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9452 In article <34024218.36E2@worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer, Jr" wrote: >Peter Amschel wrote: >> >> [Image] >Why do we need this? I don't know, George; as for me, I don't need it. Why do you need this? Article 9453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antique Beekeeping Equip. Date: 26 Aug 1997 12:45:13 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <19970826124501.IAA21519@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <33FCA42A.628A@erols.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9453 Dr. Wyatt Mangum has a private museum of antique bee equipment in North Carolina. He is a contributor to "The American Bee Journal" and has written several articles about some of the equipment in his collection. His published address is: N.C State Univ. Entomology Dept Box 7626 Raleigh, NC 27695-7626 wyatt_mangum@ncsu.edu Paul Jackson, the Texas Apiary Inspector has a great collection of antique smokers going all the way back to early Bingham models. He is at: Texas A&M Univ. College of Agriculture College Station, TX 77843-2475 409-845-9714 (don't know about an email address) Regards, David Morris Laurel, Md Article 9454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsgate.tandem.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Andrew Kettlewell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: North Texas Beekeepers Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:36:00 -0500 Organization: The Piechowski Home page Lines: 66 Message-ID: <3402F7E0.2690BF1@earthlink.net> References: <01bcafd9$96976700$339586d0@jlheubel.wf.net> Reply-To: rungun305@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.238.129 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------02ED059AE71E46ED11F3C950" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: "John L. Heubel" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9454 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------02ED059AE71E46ED11F3C950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What are some cities near you, so I can give you the best answer John L. Heubel wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a homebrewer wanting to make some mead and am trying to find a > local > source of fresh honey. I've looked in the yellow pages and asked > around > but am having a hard time locating any beekeepers near the Wichita > Falls > area of Texas. If anyone can help direct me to a source it would be > much > appreciated. Private email preferred since this is probably of > limited > global interest. There's an anti-spam address so just hitting the > reply-to-author button won't work. Sorry. Directions are in the sig. > > TIA, > John > > Spammers forced me into this. Real responses replace "spamless" with " > wf ". -- Andy L. Kettlewell rungun305@earthlink.net -- Whitnall High School Greenfield Wisconsin USA -- Wisconsin Honey Producers Assoc. Member American Beekeeping Federation --------------02ED059AE71E46ED11F3C950 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Andrew Kettlewell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Andrew Kettlewell n: Kettlewell;Andrew org: Piechowski Family Home page adr: 10432 W. Norwich Ave.;;;Greenfield;WI;53228-2026;USA email;internet: rungun305@earthlink.net title: Webmaster tel;work: 414-545-5502 tel;home: 414-545-5502 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------02ED059AE71E46ED11F3C950-- Article 9455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News1.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!webster.srv.gc.ca!nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca!newsmaster@nrn2.nrcan.gc.ca From: Roy Vallillee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees under my deck and swimming pool... Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:48:11 -0400 Organization: Natural Resources Canada / Ressources naturelles Canada Lines: 18 Message-ID: <340332FA.D8DD4BCC@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: jralston.css.NRCan.gc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9455 I have asked this question in rec.gardens and have checked uk.rec.sheds (no articles). Someone suggested here. I have a bee colony set up under the cement part around my in-ground pool. I have a wooden deck which I want to replace and make a flower bed instead. The problem is the bees nest, I don't want to remove the deck until the bees are gone. My question: Is there anything to do to make them leave "peacefully", afterall I have tolerated them for two years and they do help the flower garden. Do they empty the nest in winter - I am in zone 4, Ottawa, Canada? Please post or email is preferable. I am sorry if it has been discussed before on this group, but I just found out about your existence. ROY Article 9456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nilamda@aol.com (NILAMDA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter Syrup Date: 26 Aug 1997 21:06:43 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970826210600.RAA20071@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9456 Here's a tip for those who forget the ratio of sugar to water. Dissolve the sugar adding water until the level of the solution returns to the original level of the dry sugar. I do it in 5 litre (4.6 L = ! gal) clear plastic containers, using COLD WATER. Tony Malin RUGBY UK Article 9457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!sympatico.ca!not-for-mail From: k_m1@hotmail.com (K Martin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees In My Garage Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 04:01:38 GMT Organization: Sympatico Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3402546c.287651@news1.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: k_m1@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.206.46 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9457 Hi: I've posted a couple of times about bumblebees in my garage. There is no nest in sight and they seem to like to fly to the bottom of my garage door and go inside. No nest inside, or around the house. I am finding close to 30 bees a day now, and they are always around in the daytime. I need to know how to get them to go away, either by diverting their flight path or putting something outside to make them want to go away, but have been unable to come up with a solution. I am on the verge of trying comet mixed with tuna fish, as I have heard they will bring it back to the nest and eventually the whole nest will be poisoned. I don't want to do this as the bees are generally harmless, but I don't want to get stung or have them set up shop in my garage. Does anyone please have any suggestions for a more humane method? Thanks ------------------------------------------------------ K Martin k_m1@hotmail.com Article 9458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!munnari.OZ.AU!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail From: "John Swift" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour of hives Date: 27 Aug 1997 03:35:02 GMT Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bcb29a$5ee67300$1a516682@uqgpapc14.uqg.uq.edu.au> References: <33FC3DF3.7A3DBE0F@winshop.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: uqgpapc14.uqg.uq.edu.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9458 Trials on hive design colony production & microclimate performed in Queensland Australia conclude white as most suitable colour choice. Greater reflection radiant heat yet less heat loss at night. Dark colours cause colony to consume more energy in temp. control. Pastor David Rees wrote in article <33FC3DF3.7A3DBE0F@winshop.com.au>... > I was recently give a lot of older equipment which i have cleaned (burnt > inside of boxes with blow lamp to ensure no contamination by disease) > and repained. I only had interior acrylic paint in off white and a > light brown exterior wood treatment and sealer for patios and fences. I > used the brown as i had so much and a lot of boxes. > Any info on the effect of hive colour on the bees? > tks > > > Article 9459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Book on Honey Shows Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708262232222490@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 99 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9459 *FROM Larry Connor, of interest to all* Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:55:00 -0700 Subject: New Book on Honey Shows Wicwas Press, LLC, is pleased to announce the publication of its latest book: Honey Shows, Guidelines for exhibitors, superintendents and judges. The Authors are Roger A. and Mary Lou Morse. The book has been completed and is in stock at Wicwas Press, ready for immediate shipment. Visa, Mastercard and American Express are accepted for payment, as well as checks and money orders by mail. For further information, please contact: Wicwas Press, LLC., Lawrence Connor Editor, PO Box 817, Cheshire, CT 06410 USA Phone and Fax 203 250 7575. Email ljconnor@aol.com. Anyone interested in listing this title on their web site is encouraged to do so. Additional information and publication data are included in the following PRESS RELEASE Title: Honey Shows Subtitle: Guidelines for exhibitors, superintendents, and judges Authors: Roger A. Morse and Mary Lou Morse Residence: Ithaca, New York USA Affiliation: Department of Entomology, Cornell University, Ithaca NY USA NON-TECHNICAL DESCRIPTION A honey show is an opportunity for beekeepers to demonstrate their ability to package for show or market the same high-quality products that honey bees store in their hives. Many things can go wrong during the processing of hive products, resulting in contamination or unattractive results. This book allows the beekeeper and the honey show judge to search for all errors beekeepers can make when they prepare their product. GENERAL DESCRIPTION The book deals with the general guidelines and considerations of a honey show; the aspects of preparing liquid honey for show; the aspects of preparing crystallized honey for show; the aspects of preparing comb honey for show, the aspects of preparing cut comb honey for show; the aspects of preparing chunk and bulk frames for show. The authors also discuss aspects of preparation of beeswax, observation hives, novelties, gadgets, mead (honey wine), and baked goods and candy. Additional sections include discussion of grading methods for honey and beeswax as well as an addendum and show anecdotes. KEY FEATURES This book incorporates decades of experience to help beekeepers prepare honey, beeswax and other products in a professional manner. These methods may be used for competitive shows as well as for general sales market. There are many photographs add clarity to the subject, integrating basic beekeeping with hive product preparation. Special sections discuss the equipment used by judges in their work. RELATED WICWAS PRESS TITLES Professor Morse wrote the standard text on the production of mead in the book Making Mead (Honey Wine) (ISBN 1-878075-04-7). He also coauthored a book on beeswax by William Coggshall entitled Beeswax: Production harvesting, processing and products (ISBN 1-878075-06-3). Both titles are very popular and are available from Wicwas Press for retail or wholesale customers. TABLE OF CONTENTS The publication includes a detailed Table of Contents and a full index. AUTHOR BIOGRAPHY With over 40 years as honey show judges, Roger and Mary Lou Morse divide the responsibility of judging a show, with Professor Morse taking the beekeeping-related areas and Mrs. Morse evaluating baked goods, candies and any related materials. The Morses spend summers in Ithaca and winters in Florida. Book Data: ISBN: 1-878075-07-1 SHIP DATE: August 1997 PRICE: $9.95 postpaid (surface mail outside USA) DISCOUNT: 1-5 copies 10%; 6 or more 40% FORMAT: Saddle-stitched PAGES: 36 TRIM: 7.5" wide x 9.5" high (approx.) ILLUSTRATIONS: 32 Black-and-white photos plus 3 drawings COVER: Purple ink on ivory cover card stock AUDIENCE: Ideal for beekeepers, apiculturists, entomologists, fair superintendents, judges, food specialists and craft specialists. SHELVING CLASSIFICATIONS: Entomology, Agriculture, Food, Hobbies & Crafts (End of press release and email message) Article 9460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mead & Vinegar Date: 27 Aug 1997 17:31:36 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19970827173100.NAA23536@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9460 I am looking for specific instructions to make honey vinegar. I am also looking for "mother of vinegar." Does anyone have any suggested sources? Randy Lynn Article 9461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!rice!uw-beaver!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!usenet From: pf13@cornell.edu (arno) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ent Books FS Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 17:37:44 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 4 Sender: pf13@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <5u1on4$59l@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9461 Disposing of some of my library. Email for list Peter Fraissinet pf13@cornell.edu Article 9462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News1.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!webster.srv.gc.ca!nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca!newsmaster@nrn2.nrcan.gc.ca From: Roy Vallillee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees under my deck and swimming pool... Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:59:18 -0400 Organization: Natural Resources Canada / Ressources naturelles Canada Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34047906.26D9021D@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca> References: <340332FA.D8DD4BCC@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: jralston.css.NRCan.gc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9462 Roy Vallillee wrote: A follow up to my post.... I should be more clear and mention these are bumble bees (not wasps or bees people raise). They are the big round black and yellow bees. Thanks for the responses I have received. ROY Article 9463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:34:19 -0600 From: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Subject: Stings & allergic reactions Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 27 21:29:19 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 134.134.248.19 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (X11; I; AIX 1) X-Authenticated-Sender: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9463 I've been keeping bees (one hive) for about a year and a half now. In that time, I've been stung maybe half a dozen times. Stings are no big deal, I scrape the stinger out ASAP, and the area gets a little red and hurts mildly for an hour at most. A couple weeks ago, I received multiple stings from a couple hornets/yellowjackets. These stings were much worse, the area got VERY sore and painful, and stayed that way for almost a week. I learned to hate hornets (and love bees) from this experience. Last week, I got stung once again by one of my bees, this time on the front part of the neck, right over the clavicle. My wife scraped the stinger out w/in a minute, and like usual, the area was just mildly sore. About 15-30 minutes later, I started to itch like crazy. First my head and beard, then my armpits, etc. Not quite sure what it was, I hopped into the shower and washed off. By the time I got out of the shower, my face and neck was starting to get puffy, I was breaking out in hives all over, and I itched intensely. I popped a couple benadryl and took a 'wait and see' attitude. At no time did I experience any other type of discomfort, nor any difficulty breathing. Within a couple hours, things were back to normal. My question: Is this a normal, occasional experience for beekeepers? Or is this a sign that I am building up an allergy to bee venom? Should I be worried about what might happen on my next sting? My brother is deathly allergic to stings, and must carry a syringe (of epinephrine?) with him. I'd hate to have to give up my hobby... Any advice? Thanks, Kelly Hillsboro, OR -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.bc.net!torn!utnut!utcsri!bc2cep!news From: redneck Subject: Re: Apiary Fees? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: thvc0a.on.bell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <340474EF.4648@on.bell.ca> Sender: news@bc2cep.on.bell.ca (news admin) Reply-To: gcanders@on.bell.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Bell Canada and Bell Sygma References: <09970724163225.OUI87.tim-deb@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:41:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9464 Timothy Hostetler wrote: > > I have a small orchard (about 300 apple/peach/pear trees on about 4 > acres). The local town (population 2200) beekeeper wanted to set up a > hive in the orchard and I said ok. He didn't get set up until one week > before petalfall so naturally there weren't to many bee around. Now he > wants payed, which of course we never discussed in specifics before > hand. Forgetting for the moment that his bees didn't do diddly for me, > what is a reasonable fee for pollinating services? > > !^NavFont02F01820007MGHHH84143E Did the beekeeper not get honey from the pollination service or did he give you the honey with the bill? Also do you think the bees really did any pollination for you? Take it from there.... Article 9465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobstjohn@aol.com (Bobstjohn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings & allergic reactions Date: 28 Aug 1997 01:17:35 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970828011700.VAA25437@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9465 >My question: Is this a normal, occasional experience for beekeepers? Or >is this a sign that I am building up an allergy to bee venom? Should I be >worried about what might happen on my next sting? I say "worry". I have been around bees for 70 years and never had that kind of raction. Two wives who were allergic did. What you had sounds like the first warning. I think you should have epinephrine for the next incident. Bob St. John_Puna Bed & Breakfast_Rural Puna south of Hilo Article 9466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.cic.net!iagnet.net!mr.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Labelling question Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:45:05 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3404E630.DDD2C22E@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-19.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9466 I just brought in part of my first harvest of comb honey, and am not sure what is required/permitted in the way of labels. I have some labels on hand that say "Pure Honey" but am not sure if these are acceptable to use on comb honey, since in fact it's not "pure" but contains both honey and wax. Is it permissible to use "Pure Honey" labels on comb honey? -Drox Article 9467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.5!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees In My Garage Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 08:00:34 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <17BD770A5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3402546c.287651@news1.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9467 In article <3402546c.287651@news1.sympatico.ca> k_m1@hotmail.com (K Martin) writes: > >Hi: > >I've posted a couple of times about bumblebees in my garage.... > >K Martin > Hi K, I don't know the range of bumblebees, but I suspect based on the increasing numbers since your last post that there is a nest in close proximity to your garage or house. I can't imagine what would be the attraction to your garage. The comet tuna fish idea does not appeal to me (and I think it's borax, not comet) because I'd hate to see the critters offed (and you mention that you too would like to spare them if possible). Please be aware that bumble bee populations decline rapidly with the onset of cold weather. In fact, the only bumble bees who over winter are the queens. So if you can endure the bumble bees for a few more weeks the problem will take care of itself - at least it would if the bumbles were frequenting my garage - you haven't told us where you are located. I will make an appeal to spare these docile, beneficial insects. Yes, they CAN sting, but are very likely not to do so unless protecting their nest of if they are physically attacked (as in stepped or sat upon). Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 9468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: brrroach@aol.com (Brrroach) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AHB thead Date: 28 Aug 1997 05:09:50 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19970828050900.BAA14621@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9468 >THIS STORY JUST WON'T DIE !! THE GUATEMALEN SHIP WAS UNLOADING AT THE SAN >FRANCISCO DOCKS OF A SUGAR COMPANY WITH THE WORD HAWAII IN ITS NAME. Actually, the ship was in Contra Costa County, near the border with Solano County. This is on the east side of the SF Bay, it is not San Francisco. So now both the origin and destination have been misstated. The origin of the ship was in fact Guatemala. No sign of the bees. Bob Roach Article 9469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.30.97.15!sooner.brightok.net!not-for-mail From: Michael L Adams Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping email list? Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:32:40 -0700 Organization: BrightNet OKlahoma UseNet Server Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34050D78.1E37@brightok.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.30.126.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9469 Does anyone know of a list about beekeeping that someone could subscribe to? This person does not have internet service, only a juno email account. If anyone can help him, please email him at Les Vaughn leslist@juno.com Thank you, Michael Adams Article 9470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting on Breasts? (Danger - Naked Woman Image - Avert Thine Eyes) - Beestung.jpg [01/01] Date: 28 Aug 1997 05:52:36 -0400 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5u3hp4$qes@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: <5ttesv$p7v$1@nntp.pe.net> <34045df2.172819757@news.iw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9470 In article <34045df2.172819757@news.iw.net>, Jeff Schlenker wrote: >Last time I checked, I didn't see the word "binaries" in the title of this >newsgroup... Therefore, binaries don't belong here.... do they? > The charter doesn't contain any policy on posting binaries; hopefully the poster can be mature enough to avoid spurious posts-- The beestung.jpg post states in the subject that it's a possibly offensive image. One can choos to either view the image or delete it. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://www.sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 9471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.5!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mead & Vinegar Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:42:31 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <789468402321A3F0.51FE31C988DF04DB.3AFEF4508B32B784@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <5u3mr7$2o0@library.airnews.net> References: <19970827173100.NAA23536@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Aug 28 06:19:03 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: gw3-ppp65.its.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9471 rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) wrote: >I am looking for specific instructions to make honey vinegar. I am also >looking for "mother of vinegar." Does anyone have any suggested sources? Most homebrew or winemaking stores carry "mother of vinegar". Don't know about a specific source for a honey vinegar; but I have run across them before. Did you try an internet search on those keywords? (And I suppose, if worse comes to worse, you could *actually* go to your local library). Try the links to the American Mead Association's homepage -- they probably have something on this. Article 9472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!news.infi.net!newsfeeder.servtech.com!post.servtech.com!not-for-mail From: mulcahyj@wycol.com (Jim Mulcahy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings & allergic reactions Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:28:43 GMT Organization: ServiceTech, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <340d7c9a.2846967@news.servtech.com> References: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> <19970828011700.VAA25437@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mulcahyj@wycol.com NNTP-Posting-Host: client2.wycol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9472 On 28 Aug 1997 01:17:35 GMT, bobstjohn@aol.com (Bobstjohn) wrote: >I say "worry". I have been around bees for 70 years and never had that >kind of raction. Two wives who were allergic did. What you had sounds like >the first warning. I think you should have epinephrine for the next incident. >Bob St. John_Puna Bed & Breakfast_Rural Puna south of Hilo I agree with Bob. Thirty years ago when I kept bees, I used to get a few stings each time I worked on the hives. Then, on a bad bee day, I had a major allergic reaction and have carried a bee sting kit ever since. It never put me off my love of bees, though. It just made me very cautious and sure to have a bee sting kit around at all times. Article 9473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!sn.no!uninett.no!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jørn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I am off for Apimondia Date: 28 Aug 1997 20:15:51 GMT Organization: EDBi Lines: 29 Message-ID: <01bcb3ee$b26541a0$0100007f@jornjoha> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp95.rd.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 872799351 273772 (None) 194.239.161.163 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.inet.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9473 I am off for Apimonda so asking for information about my Beekeeping Software will have no effect before I am back from Belgium. You can meet me in the congress house, where I will be present with my computer, and direct demonstration of the software. Watch out for EDBi http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/genera l/bin/apimo/ Best regards Jorn Johanesson -- EDBi = Beekeeping software for Windows 3.1 win95 e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk edbi homepage http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo/edbi.htm Ken Morris homepage http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Hivenote software win95 ftp://ftp.wn.com.au/bidata/win95pg/bidatwin95inst.exe Hivenote software win31 ftp://ftp.wn.com.au/bidata/win31pg/bidat31.exe bolonging databasekit ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/science/agriculture/beenet/databas1.zip or try http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/genera l/bin/apimo/ Article 9474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!uknet!nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NY harvest? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:06:09 -0851 Organization: Homeside Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3306AFF1.7076@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p199.jsy.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9474 I read somewhere a long time ago that in New York 4 crops of honey could be taken in one year. Is this correct? Morley. Article 9475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings & allergic reactions Date: Thu, 28 Aug 97 08:24:21 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <17BD87638S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9475 In article <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> k-jones@ee.utah.edu writes: >... >My question: Is this a normal, occasional experience for beekeepers? Or >is this a sign that I am building up an allergy to bee venom? Should I be >worried about what might happen on my next sting? My brother is deathly >allergic to stings, and must carry a syringe (of epinephrine?) with him. >I'd hate to have to give up my hobby... Any advice? > >Thanks, > >Kelly >Hillsboro, OR Kelly, I had a similar experience, including shower to try to help. It didn't. I had no benedryl (and at the time didn't know enough to take it if I had it anyway). Ended up at the ER - got a shot of cordozone, a perscription for an Epi-pen and a recommendation that I find a new hobby. A year and a half and many stings later I have never used the Epi-pen and have never had a similar reaction, just the usual pain, local swelling and minor itching that is gone within an hour or two. Can't say that you will have a similar experience - we all have different finger prints, we all have different reactions. Your experience is cause for concern but definitely not cause for panic. You might consider an Epi-pen, although truth be told I accidently ran mine over with my truck and never replaced it. Based on subsequent reactions I wish I had saved the $ and purchased benedryl instead. I can't explain my one time severe reaction and am thankful I have not had another occurance. Scary though, wasn't it? I hope you (and I) never experience such a reaction again! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 9476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: too much Bee Go Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:48:06 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34064676.6282@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca26-21.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Aug 28 10:54:19 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9476 I think I put too much Bee Go on the fume pad and now all the frames I'm extracting have this faint odor of it. What can I do? It doesn't seem to be coming directly from the top bars, but who knows: is there a "neutralizer" substance I can wipe on the top bars? Anybody have a similar experience? How do the bees accept these frames once back in the hive? thanks for the input, vivian Article 9477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.191.217.2!News1.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news1.istar.ca!not-for-mail From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees In My Garage Date: 29 Aug 1997 04:24:42 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5u5iua$6ar$1@news.istar.ca> References: <3402546c.287651@news1.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts3-09.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9477 I hear you. First, I will assume you know the difference between a bumble bee and a honey bee, and since this is the honey bee list mostly, it probably explains why you didn't get an answer. Bumble bees in my experience are not a threat to anyone, so my first suggestion would be to leave them alone. they will go away with winter, and probably not ever return. You might even find it interesting to watch them and study them for awhile. Unless you can locate where they are, their nest etc, you are not going to do much about them. It is probably impossible to move them anyway, they will probably just come back like honey bees do, and be mad. So, if its a genuine nuiscance, I suggest you locate their nest, get some raid wasp spray, and pump it into the entrance at night and all around the area. If you are dealing with yellow jackets or something more vicious, be careful, do it at night, and be fast. Another very effective route is to put a vacuum cleaner hose at the entrance and turn it on in the morning. By noon you'll have most of them, but not the queen, and she'll raise more. For me, I'd leave them alone. Its almost sept. they'll be gone in about 60 days likely. Article 9478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: European foulbrood in New Zeland? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:12:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708282237572503@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9478 *This message was from "Thomas W. Culliney -- Dept. of Agriculture" originally in conference BEE-LISTMAIL. ---------------------------------------- From: "Thomas W. Culliney -- Dept. of Agriculture" Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:39:38 -1000 Subject: European foulbrood in New Zealand? In a letter to the editor, published in the latest issue (August 1997) of the American Bee Journal, the writer, John Iannuzzi, states that he was informed by two New Zealand beekeepers that European foulbrood is found in New Zealand. Can anyone confirm this? Tom Culliney Hawaii Dept. of Agriculture culliney@elele.peacesat.hawaii.edu --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ The best form of censorship is common courtesy. Article 9479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings & allergic reactions Date: 29 Aug 1997 05:50:27 GMT Lines: 56 Message-ID: <19970829055001.BAA15468@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9479 In article <872717358.4671@dejanews.com>, k-jones@ee.utah.edu writes: >I've been keeping bees (one hive) for about a year and a half now. In >that time, I've been stung maybe half a dozen times. Stings are no big >deal, I scrape the stinger out ASAP, and the area gets a little red and >hurts mildly for an hour at most. > >A couple weeks ago, I received multiple stings from a couple >hornets/yellowjackets. These stings were much worse, the area got VERY >sore and painful, and stayed that way for almost a week. I learned to >hate hornets (and love bees) from this experience. > >Last week, I got stung once again by one of my bees, this time on the >front part of the neck, right over the clavicle. My wife scraped the >stinger out w/in a minute, and like usual, the area was just mildly sore. >About 15-30 minutes later, I started to itch like crazy. First my head >and beard, then my armpits, etc. Not quite sure what it was, I hopped >into the shower and washed off. By the time I got out of the shower, my >face and neck was starting to get puffy, I was breaking out in hives all >over, and I itched intensely. I popped a couple benadryl and took a 'wait >and see' attitude. At no time did I experience any other type of >discomfort, nor any difficulty breathing. Within a couple hours, things >were back to normal. > >My question: Is this a normal, occasional experience for beekeepers? Or >is this a sign that I am building up an allergy to bee venom? Should I be >worried about what might happen on my next sting? My brother is deathly >allergic to stings, and must carry a syringe (of epinephrine?) with him. >I'd hate to have to give up my hobby... Any advice? Wasps and hornets have different venoms. I find their stings to always cause much more reaction. Your experience with a single honeybee sting sounds very similar to one I had several years ago, when I was taking a prescription drug (similar to ibuprofen) following surgery. I had a LOT of swelling, very itchy hives, stuffed up head, and, at one point during the night, some difficulty breathing. It was a very long night. My reaction lasted about ten hours. I took a benadryl and a tylenol. I never had any repeat reaction, so figure it was an interaction with the drug. I've heard of others having reaction to ibuprofen-type drugs. Were you taking any? An epipen is a good idea, even if you are sure you are personally safe. You never know when an employee or family member might need it. I carry one. Beekeeper families have a much higher rate of allergy than the general population. Some figure it is from breathing the dried venom dust that is carried into the home on clothing. Pollinator@aol.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!depot.mro.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!not-for-mail From: Jim Moore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red Bees Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:39:30 -0400 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 11 Message-ID: <340322E2.41C6@gemgrp.enet.dec.com> References: <33F8D02F.5B45@bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: fredr.zko.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.0 alpha) CC: moore@aiag.enet.dec.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9480 >Last week I put a bee escape on one of my hives to take off a super of >honey.The next day, sure enough, there were only about a dozen or so >bees left in the box and I removed it only to find that several of the >remaining bees were a deep red color (abdomen) almost a burgundy color. >These are the only bees that I've ever seen at this colony (or any >other, for that matter) quite this color. With the bee escape on the supers can be prone to robbing. These bees may have entered through the cover or some small hole and not be from your hive. Article 9481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: European foulbrood in New Zealand? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:29:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708282237572504@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 69 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9481 *This message was from ANDY NACHBAUR to the Bee-List* >From: "Thomas W. Culliney -- Dept. of Agriculture" > >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:39:38 -1000 >Subject: European foulbrood in New Zealand? >In a letter to the editor, published in the latest issue (August 1997) of >the American Bee Journal, the writer, John Iannuzzi, states that he was >informed by two New Zealand beekeepers that European foulbrood is found in >New Zealand. Can anyone confirm this? Hello Tom, YES, New Zealand beekeepers who have visited and worked for me in the past have said that they had "EFB" after they have seen it up close and personal in bees here in California. But since what we beekeepers call "EFB" may be a cocktail of problems it may be that those in New Zealand who say they don't have "EFB" are also right as they may not have the same "EFB" that we have. OR they may have political reasons as in the past it has also been said by NZ public relations/regulatory officials they don't have any bee diseases which is misleading at the least. Who to believe has always been a judgement call on motive. I personally believe any country that believes it gets it AFB from empty imported honey containers must also have EFB but then everything is in the eye of the bee holder so they say and in the USA it can be said that we do not have AFB in our feral honeybee populations with 99.99% confidence because it is a fact, but all old beekeepers know that at one time or another they have seen AFB in their hived honeybees. As you know the bee disease issue is a political issue between the governments of New Zealand and the United States because of the underhanded way our beekeeping regulatory officials in Maryland caved in to pressure from New Zealand and Canada for landing rights for honeybees in transit to Canada. I say underhanded because this was a 100% political movement without real concideration of the wishes of the electorate of the good state of Hawaii who have every right to expect better then what they got from their political leaders but they did not know about the "good old boy network" that still exhists between some in the beekeeping regulatory business extending worldwide or the connection between so called bee research in the USDA and our federal beekeeping regulatory system which is one and the same and that is the problem. With the criminal inditement of the former USDA Secertary of Agriculture it is clear that a few other minor burcrats in the USDA should also bee worried as the day of the free lunch and free trips for what ever purpose may be over as some of us see little difference in working for a Arkansas chicken plucker and some foreign government bee research project that has no benefit to US tax payers or US beekeepers. Top priority research by the USDA is regulatory in nature and one only has to have attend the last generation of national beekeeping meeting to have a grater knowledge of the annual changing USDA management system then beekeeping disease research. As USDA beekeeping research dies for lack of beekeeper interest and budget cuts some effort has been made by the USDA to show concern for beekeeper problems but I suspect the die has been cast and without some major changes, that I don't see coming, its too late and the Hawaii situation is one of those proverbial straws. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ SLMR 2.0 þ A ounce of pretension = a pound of manure! Article 9482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jørn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wrong URL Date: 29 Aug 1997 09:02:06 GMT Organization: EDBi Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01bcb45a$17cb7f80$aca1efc2@jornjoha> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp104.rd.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 872845326 495472 (None) 194.239.161.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.inet.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9482 Sorry I forgot that URL's are case intensive so here a correction! http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/genera l/bin/Apimo/ Why not pay this a visit: http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping -- EDBi = Beekeeping software for Windows 3.1 win95 e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk edbi homepage http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo/edbi.htm Ken Morris homepage http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Hivenote software win95 ftp://ftp.wn.com.au/bidata/win95pg/bidatwin95inst.exe Hivenote software win31 ftp://ftp.wn.com.au/bidata/win31pg/bidat31.exe bolonging databasekit ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/science/agriculture/beenet/databas1.zip Article 9483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!clear.net.nz!not-for-mail From: "Glenda Hooper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European foulbrood in New Zeland? Date: 29 Aug 1997 10:36:52 GMT Organization: CLEAR Net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bcb468$252dfaa0$823361cb@default> References: <9708282237572503@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u2.napr.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9483 Re EFB in New Zealand European Foul Brood is not present in New Zealand it is prossible that the people concerned were confused with American Foul Brood which is endemic in New Zealand. There was a suspected outbreak of EFB some years ago but it was proven to be a false alarm. Peter Berry. Article 9484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!clear.net.nz!not-for-mail From: "Glenda Hooper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European foulbrood in New Zeland? Date: 29 Aug 1997 10:51:34 GMT Organization: CLEAR Net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bcb46a$b4f4b3c0$823361cb@default> References: <9708282237572503@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u2.napr.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9484 There is no European Foul Brood in New Zealand. The NZ beekeepers were probably confused with American foul brood which is endemic here. There was a suspected out break of EFB some years ago but it was proven to be a false alarm. Peter Berry. Article 9485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: too much Bee Go Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:12:25 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 26 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <5u6b3j$ibn@library.airnews.net> References: <34064676.6282@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Aug 29 06:17:08 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-24.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9485 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: >I think I put too much Bee Go on the fume pad Thats a common mistake many people make who are not used to using a fumeboard. The cotton pad on fumeboards aren't that thick, so they don't absorbe much. Use 'Bee-Go' sparingly in the future. >is there a "neutralizer" substance I'm not aware of any, but time will disapate the smell pretty quick. >How do the bees accept these frames once back in the hive? After I extract, I usually put the supers out in the open (which will let them 'air out') to let the bees finish robing them out -- this only takes a couple of days. Then I put them into storage, protected by PDB. If you're in the U.S., PDB is available at Wal-Mart as Moth Ice Crystals (DON'T use Moth Balls -- that's Naptha not PDB). BusyKnight Dallas Article 9486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Minnesota Honey Date: 29 Aug 1997 15:56:34 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970829155601.LAA07617@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9486 Comb Honey, bears, etc. Basswood, wildflower, clover, etc. All kinds of wonderful tastes. Bees drink only spring fed creekwater. email for more info. Sincerely, Alan M. "Local Honey"/Al's Bees Article 9487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Greg DeFrancis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee swarming curiosity Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:49:33 +0000 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <34044C8D.47FB@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mont-20.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) CC: joan.waltermire@valley.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9487 We've noticed a curiousity today at our observation bee hive in our science museum and we are hoping someone in the beekeeping community might be able to shed a little light on it.... Today our bees swarmed (for about the 4th time this summer). However, there were two separate swarms, that are currently hanging out on two separate local trees. We have never seen them swarm in two groups before, nor hang out in two separate places. Does this mean that within each swarm there is a Queen, thus two queens left our hive instead of one? (we always assumed that each swarm, while resting on a tree branch while looking for a place to create a new hive has a queen inside). What is also very curious is that they swarmed and there are very few brood cells, mostly all honey cells, and most of those uncapped. So, has anyone ever seen two separate swarms occur at the same time (or within 20 minutes of each other)? and why would they swarm and yet leave so few brood cells behind. So, if anyone can help us out with these questions, it would be much apprecated. Thanks much for the help. Greg DeFrancis Montshire Museum of Science Norwich, VT e-mail: greg.defrancis@valley.net web: http://www.montshire.org Article 9488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!ppp-94-6.bu.edu!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: End of Season... Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:36:27 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 60 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-94-6.bu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9488 Well.... my first season as a newbie is wrapping up. After three swarms, lost queens, and newspaper uniting a weak colony with a strong one I still managed one super of honey! And... it was worth it. 'Got the Apistan strips in, crisco patties, and menthol crystals. No sign of Varroa at all, and the local ( and incredibly helpful) Bee Inspector dropped by today while I was at work, and left me a great report, saying that I was going into the cold season with a a strong hive and real good queen. Since he had called last night saying he was going to visit the hive today, I left him a jar of honey as a thank you, although I confess he has probably tasted better honey than my first crop. I have also delivered some honey to each side neighbor, and my bee instructor who got me started back in March, and still have a few jars left over for me. Total stings for the season.... 8. All were on occasions when I did something stupid, or tried to hurry. Lesson learned... I was told day one that 1) you dont rush with bees, and 2) if they are not having a bad day to leave them be. Thank you sci.agriculture.beekeeping for all your help this first year, I havent contributed too much but have learned quite a bit following the posts here, and will continue to do so! -I- -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments "Live Free or Die" Article 9489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: update on darker syrup Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:22:51 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <34064E9B.6FEEA575@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-102.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9489 greetings, all. just a quick update since my earlier posts about getting darker than normal syrup from granulated cane sugar. i bought another bag from a different manufacturer, and the resulting syrup was normal in color. so, it appears that the darker color came from the sugar itself and not from caramelizing it by using water that was too hot [it was only tap water]. it was explained to me in an email [thanks, pete] that there are 3 grades of processed sugar, and the lower grade will yield a darker syrup. guess i somehow got the lower grade in those two 5 lb. bags. thanks, again, to everyone, who replied to my posts. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NY harvest? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 07:29:46 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <17BD9696ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3306AFF1.7076@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9490 In article <3306AFF1.7076@itl.net> Morley writes: > >I read somewhere a long time ago that in New York 4 crops of honey could >be taken in one year. Is this correct? Morley. Hmmm. I guess if you take super as soon as they're full you could do that four times in a season. However I usually expect an early flow (June- midJuly) and a fall flow (mid/late August through September). Early flow comes from trees (locust & basswood) and wildflowers (mainly clovers), loosestrife will carry the bees throught the high summer dearth (if loosestrife is in the bee's range) and fall flow consists mainly of goldenrod and asters. Aaron Morris - upstate New York (Saratoga region) Article 9491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee swarming curiosity Date: 30 Aug 1997 03:04:17 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 50 Message-ID: <01bcb4f1$5942cf80$846ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <34044C8D.47FB@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Aug 29 8:04:17 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9491 Greg DeFrancis wrote in article <34044C8D.47FB@valley.net>... | We've noticed a curiousity today at our observation bee hive in our science museum and | we are hoping someone in the beekeeping community might be able to shed a little light | on it.... | Today our bees swarmed (for about the 4th time this summer). However, there were two | separate swarms, that are currently hanging out on two separate local trees. We have | never seen them swarm in two groups before, nor hang out in two separate places. Does | this mean that within each swarm there is a Queen, thus two queens left our hive instead | of one? (we always assumed that each swarm, while resting on a tree branch while | looking for a place to create a new hive has a queen inside). | | What is also very curious is that they swarmed and there are very few brood cells, mostly | all honey cells, and most of those uncapped. | | So, has anyone ever seen two separate swarms occur at the same time (or within 20 | minutes of each other)? Yep - our observation hive cast two swarms one day one year. Yes they each had a queen (both virgins in our case - afterswarms). and why would they swarm and yet leave so few brood cells | behind. When did they swarm prior to this incident? | So, if anyone can help us out with these questions, it would be much apprecated. | | Thanks much for the help. | | Greg DeFrancis | Montshire Museum of Science | Norwich, VT | | e-mail: greg.defrancis@valley.net | web: http://www.montshire.org | Article 9492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NY harvest? Date: 30 Aug 1997 03:27:28 GMT Lines: 59 Message-ID: <19970830032701.XAA24806@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3306AFF1.7076@itl.net> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9492 From: Morley > >I read somewhere a long time ago that in New York 4 crops of honey could >be taken in one year. Is this correct? Morley. If you are a really good beekeeper, in a really good season, and if you are willing to move the bees, yes, it's theoretically possible. Most years, though, you would not get all the potential crops. Just think about the stronger flows of the various areas. You might even be able to get five crops. You could catch an early crop (May) off dandelion, wild apple and hawthorn from high lime soils in the Finger Lakes, the Erie or Ontario lake plain or the lower Hudson valley. This presumes you have the bees in excellent shape before the flow. Usually they are not managed so intensely and build up on this flow. But I have seen good beekeepers make a deep on dandelion. For the second crop (June), I would also look for high lime soils, perhaps in the same area, and go for black locust and sumac. In some areas (with more acid soils) you could focus on wild blackberry or raspberry. Some areas in the Catskills and the Taconic range are very good berry country. They also have wild thyme. The third crop must definitely have sweet soil because the main flow would be either clover or basswood (American linden). The best clover areas are the St. Lawrence Valley and the Champlain valley, though there are also other good clover areas. Basswood is common throughout the Finger Lakes. For a fourth crop, I'd try to find buckwheat, if you can. The newer varieties don't yield like the old ones, but the honey is much in demand. It grows best on somewhat acid soils and most of it is in the Finger Lakes and western NY. Failing buckwheat, I'd try for purple loosestrife, which is really bakery grade, but it is honey. This can be found along the swampy waterways that form an east-west corredor (the Erie Canal route), but it is also present in other areas. The fifth crop is goldenrod/aster, which is present throughout the state but yields best on somewhat acid soils. It is a major honey source in the shaley hills of the souther tier. Some western NY beekeepers have gained 200 lb crops off goldenrod. Some folks will badmouth goldenrod, and the goldenrod from some areas of the country makes lousy honey. But New York's is as nice as you can get, especially in the years when there is a good flow and it runs light. It stinks to high heaven while they are processing it, but finishes off to a nice, spicy taste. But it is quick to crystallize. Get the soil survey maps from the Soil Conservation Service, and learn how to use them. Each county has a set, and they hold a wealth of information. You can often locate good bee forage from them. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.3!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "jason s. mcmanus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: we need a packer Date: 30 Aug 1997 03:26:59 GMT Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bcb4f4$50dfdec0$1ae81ace@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.26.232.26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9493 The packer that I have dealt with for years has bought a large shipment of honey from out of town, China I think. Anyway he has left us high and dry until he can process and sale the shipment. There is a number of bee keepers here in Idaho that is now looking for a new packer. Preferably someone in the northwest but we would entertain any and all west of the Mississippi. We have allot of honey, all different grades and types, (alfalfa, sweet clover, buckwheat, ect.) So if you buy bulk honey please e-mail me A.S.A.P. jmcmanus@cyberhighway.net thanks Article 9494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.96.197.5!newsfeeder.servtech.com!post.servtech.com!not-for-mail From: mulcahyj@wycol.com (Jim Mulcahy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honeybees in attic Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:03:27 GMT Organization: ServiceTech, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <340d35ed.93406077@news.servtech.com> Reply-To: mulcahyj@wycol.com NNTP-Posting-Host: client13.wycol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9494 for the last couple of years, a swarm took up residence in my attic behind my chimney. I haven't had the heart to exterminate them and don't know how to get at them short of ripping the side of my house off. Has anyone had experience removing/relocating such a hive? Article 9495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.191.217.2!News1.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news1.istar.ca!not-for-mail From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honeybees in attic Date: 30 Aug 1997 15:55:58 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5u9fqe$k6n$1@news.istar.ca> References: <340d35ed.93406077@news.servtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts24-02.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9495 If you want to preserve them you may not have much choice than to rip part of the house off, have them professionally removed, and hopefully get the honey crop. Otherwise, trying to exterminate them will work, but possibly leave you with honey in the area. Not likely a problem since it might attract robber bees who will come and steal it away and then not come back when its gone. Wax moths will eat out the wax comb over a period of a few months, and that will be the end of it, so yes, you could exterminate them in several ways, just would use something that doesn't leave a residue poison so that nature can take its course after that. Article 9496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!newsfeed.kornet.nm.kr!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News1.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!News1.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news1.istar.ca!not-for-mail From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation Hive swarming Date: 30 Aug 1997 16:03:02 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5u9g7m$k6n$2@news.istar.ca> References: <34044C8D.47FB@valley.net> <01bcb4f1$5942cf80$846ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts24-02.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9496 Observation hives are doomed to swarm. They are like the beekeeper would be who says that only a small hive is wanted, not a big one. No such thing. Bees have a necessity to build up to a population of about 60,000 bees per colony. Its mother nature at work. when they realize that this objective is limited by space considerations, they know they have to split. So out come the swarm cells, brood production stops, queen cell production goes up, and when the queens hatch, loyalities are formed, and away they go looking for a more hospitable larger area. I've had two and three swarms in fairly short intervals even in larger crowded hives. So, there is nothing wrong in what you have been doing, only in your expectations. Article 9497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive swarming Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 01:08:32 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5uafvh$5cj$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <34044C8D.47FB@valley.net> <01bcb4f1$5942cf80$846ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <5u9g7m$k6n$2@news.istar.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9497 In article <5u9g7m$k6n$2@news.istar.ca>, billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) wrote: >Observation hives are doomed to swarm. They are like the beekeeper would be >who says that only a small hive is wanted, not a big one. No such thing. Bees > >have a necessity to build up to a population of about 60,000 bees per colony. >Its mother nature at work. when they realize that this objective is limited by > >space considerations, they know they have to split. I have had one colony this year, and it is building in population, as you say. The colony is in a top bar hive. These bees do not seem to want to swarm. I check them about once a week, making sure there is plenty of room to draw down more comb from the top bars and moving the bars around a little bit and looking at them and examining the combs and smelling their hive and listening to them :-). The bees seem to be making some areas of the comb wider in addition to drawing it down. It some areas the comb is really thick and juicy, the likes of which I have not seen on the Langstroth frames. Do your comments on swarming apply to top bar hives? Article 9498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,greg.defrancis@valley.net Subject: Re: bee swarming curiosity Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:04:47 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 64 Message-ID: <3406E50F.F4871E91@valley.net> References: <34044C8D.47FB@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-107.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9498 Greg DeFrancis wrote: > We've noticed a curiousity today at our observation bee hive in our science museum and > we are hoping someone in the beekeeping community might be able to shed a little light > on it.... > Today our bees swarmed (for about the 4th time this summer). However, there were two > separate swarms, that are currently hanging out on two separate local trees. We have > never seen them swarm in two groups before, nor hang out in two separate places. Does > this mean that within each swarm there is a Queen, thus two queens left our hive instead > of one? (we always assumed that each swarm, while resting on a tree branch while > looking for a place to create a new hive has a queen inside). > > What is also very curious is that they swarmed and there are very few brood cells, mostly > all honey cells, and most of those uncapped. > > So, has anyone ever seen two separate swarms occur at the same time (or within 20 > minutes of each other)? and why would they swarm and yet leave so few brood cells > behind. > > So, if anyone can help us out with these questions, it would be much apprecated. > > Thanks much for the help. > > Greg DeFrancis > Montshire Museum of Science > Norwich, VT > > e-mail: greg.defrancis@valley.net > web: http://www.montshire.org hi, greg. i'm a first-time beekeeper in lebanon and, coincidentally, i was over at the montshire yesterday. my sister and bro-in-law were up visiting with my 3 nephews [9, 6, 4], and i took them all there a couple of years ago for a very enjoyable afternoon, so we figured it was time for a revisit. i wish i could help you with your question, but i'm afraid i know very little about swarming behavior. i did notice that there was very little capped brood or honey in the hive and we couldn't find a queen. didn't see the swarms outside, though. the last time we were there the bees also had just swarmed, and they were hanging out in a tree just to the west of the outdoor musical play area. pretty cool. just wanted to let you know that the boys really enjoyed your hive [well, they pretty much enjoyed everything at the museum, but especially the bees and the leaf-cutter ants.]. they've worked my hive with me before and checked out individual frames, but it was nice to be able to watch the bees with glass between us and them, as they went about their busy lives. it enabled me to point out things that i can't show the boys, when we're wearing gloves, veils, etc. very educational. they wanted to know if the bees stayed in the observation hive all winter [believe it or not, they wondered about sufficient food stores for winter!]. do you keep another colony somewhere on the grounds to replenish the obs hive each spring, or do you feed them all winter? take care, bill greenrose ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: calabria@aol.com (Calabria) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yellowjackets Date: 31 Aug 1997 02:40:48 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <19970831024000.WAA00363@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9499 My aunt is tending a small backyard in a city and has noticed a nest of what look like yellowjackets or wasps, in the ground next to a stairway. She's concerned about residents being stung and would like to get rid of the yellowjackets. When is the best time of year to move or get rid of this nest without killing a large number of active insects? She's thinking of trying to destroy it in the winter when the queen and the eggs are the only inhabitants. Sorry for posting something about destroying a hive on a beekeeping newsgroup, but since she's in an urban area she's concerned about someone being stung who may be particularly allergic. Some of you may also have opinions about how dangerous (or not dangerous) this is, and if it's possible to cohabitate with these insects in an urban environment... she's basically doing general research at this point. Thanks for any help. Feel free to respond here and/or Calabria@aol.com. Thanks! Roxanne Article 9500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: dogface@ponypress.com (David Smith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to get queen for a new hive Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 03:48:01 GMT Organization: K9 Ads Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5uapkt$hlr@camel12.mindspring.com> Reply-To: dogface@ponypress.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kbp9u.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 31 Aug 1997 03:49:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9500 I am planning to start a new hive next spring and do not know where to get a queen and workers. I've been told to start early to be sure I can get one, so I want to know ahead of time who to contact to buy my bees. Thsi will be the first hive I've had on my own and the first hive I've started new. Should be fun. I am in Georgia. Anyone in this part of the country know who to buy from? Please reply Smoody@Earthling.Net or Smoody1@Mindspring.com - The address in the header of this message is a spam technician. !!IMPORTANT!! Reply to Smoody@Earthling.Net The address in the header of this message belongs to the last valid "SPAM" address that ignored my request to be removed from their mailing list. You are welcome to "mail bomb" the spam address if you like. :) Article 9501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News1.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news1.istar.ca!not-for-mail From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive swarming Date: 31 Aug 1997 06:18:25 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5ub2bh$b14$1@news.istar.ca> References: <34044C8D.47FB@valley.net> <01bcb4f1$5942cf80$846ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <5u9g7m$k6n$2@news.istar.ca> <5uafvh$5cj$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts19-06.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9501 I am not sure the hive type would have much to do with it. Its a space problem. Sounds like you have enough space. Article 9502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.191.217.2!News1.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news1.istar.ca!not-for-mail From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellowjackets Date: 31 Aug 1997 06:24:32 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5ub2n0$b14$2@news.istar.ca> References: <19970831024000.WAA00363@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts19-06.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9502 You don't mention the location, and since weather, winter, etc have some bearing, it would help. We are into autumn now, if you have a winter scene at all, it can be expected this colony will die out when the frost hits. Rather than see some inexperienced people attempt to deal with it, maybe just leave it alone. Another solution, mark it so people will stay away. Yellow jackets, as pugnacious and troublesome as they can be, do a lot of good by destroying other insects, and are a gardeners best friend in many cases. However, if they are a real issue, there are lots of sprays on most agriculture stores that have a reach long enough that someone could spray the colony entrance from a distance, preferably at night when they are all inside, and that will usually do a number on them. Article 9503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: mswanson@bigpond.com (Matt Swanson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mead & Vinegar Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 06:15:44 GMT Message-ID: <340a0b09.3750623@news.bigpond.com> References: <19970827173100.NAA23536@ladder01.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.94.22 Lines: 31 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.235.93!news.telstra.net!139.134.5.33! Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9503 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) wrote: >I am looking for specific instructions to make honey vinegar. I am also >looking for "mother of vinegar." Does anyone have any suggested sources? > >Randy Lynn I can't be more specific but I do remember reading that you should save the water after extracting wax from brood comb for use in making honey vinegar. At least that's one ingredient! Cheers Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNAiGZOmjB/n+c/U2EQJP8gCfSUhY8gbgx9jzYCnD60yA7+eI+Q4AnjdP jCzDm/98cBdXcFNirmWwPBul =TbV/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Email: mswanson@bigpond.com or matt.swanson@usa.net Home Page: http://www.users.bigpond.com/mswanson/ UIN: 1252001 PGP V5.0 Key: Available from home page or a public keyserver PGP V5.0 fingerprint: 5510 C873 97A8 4703 C62C 20A2 E9A3 07F9 FE73 F536 -- "Life wasn't meant to be easy." - Malcolm Fraser Article 9504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!uknet!nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings & allergic reactions Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:37:28 -3251 Organization: Homeside Lines: 40 Message-ID: <33077C28.2974@itl.net> References: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> <17BD87638S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p145.jsy.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9504 Aaron Morris wrote: > > In article <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> > k-jones@ee.utah.edu writes: > > >... > >My question: Is this a normal, occasional experience for beekeepers? Or > >is this a sign that I am building up an allergy to bee venom? Should I be > >worried about what might happen on my next sting? My brother is deathly > >allergic to stings, and must carry a syringe (of epinephrine?) with him. > >I'd hate to have to give up my hobby... Any advice? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Kelly > >Hillsboro, OR > > Kelly, > 2 years ago I received about 12 bee stings mainly in my head and face, leaped into the shower fully-clothed to get the rest of the bees out of my hair and clothing! I had no immediate reaction but woke that night aching in every join in the most painful way, and freezing cold, pounding headache. The next morning I couldn't open one eye at all and one only about 1/4 inch. It took 4 days before I could leave the house without frightening children. I had taken some tablets given by the doctor the night before but my own doctor came and gave me a cortisone injection. His advice to me was "don't get stung again"!! When I protested that I'd had no breathing problems he ominously said "not this time". I now carry pills at all times to take immediately before seeking medical help - clearly I'm not considered enough at risk to carry a syringe. I've also heard it said that stings from all insects are increasing in toxicity as the use of herbicides increases. However, bee stings seem with many people to increase an allergy reaction and in your case I certainly wouldn't risk it. Having a syringe to hand when you're manipulating hives can't hurt - the alternative certainly can. I wouldn't even consider that one! Morley. Article 9505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Andy Nachbar Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708310356062515@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9505 Thanks for the kind words..! ttul, Andy- P>From: Paul & Sandra Roberts >To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:14:02 +1000 >Subject: Re: Andy Nachbar P>Its nice to get to know you Andy. I always read your comments and respect >your bee wisdom and outlook on life. P>Regards P>Paul Roberts >Brisbane Australia >(5 hives & 2 years & loving it!!) --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ They'll release Windows 3.2 when 3.1 finishes loading. Article 9506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!nntp.info.ucla.edu!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to get queen for a new hive Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 09:02:22 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34096B5E.6CA0@ix.netcom.com> References: <5uapkt$hlr@camel12.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va1-02.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 31 8:01:45 AM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9506 David Smith wrote: > > I am planning to start a new hive next spring and do not know where to > get a queen and workers. > I am in Georgia. > Dave, You are in luck. Georgia has lots of queen breeders if you'd like to buy commercial. Check out an issue of "Bee Culture" or "American Bee Journal" that should give you a pretty comprehensive list. One of the guys from our assoc up here in VA drives down to York Apiaries every year with his pickup to carry @50 or so packs to club members. York is in Jessup I believe. Also, don't get one. It's actually easier to do 2 or 3 because if 1 develops a problem you have an additional source of brood, queens, workers, drawn comb, etc. to be perfectly honest it's just as easy to do 5 or 6, just alittle more time and additional outlay. Remember you won't get much of a crop the first year due to the bees drawing al that comb. So if you think you will need honey or beeswax it will take until the second summer to get a real surplus. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Article 9507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Andrew Kettlewell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellowjackets Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 09:09:28 -0500 Organization: The Piechowski Home page Lines: 79 Message-ID: <34097B17.7E086DC@earthlink.net> References: <19970831024000.WAA00363@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: rungun305@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.238.29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------20F63E792C8149722E66E416" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: Calabria X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9507 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------20F63E792C8149722E66E416 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have found that an effectinve way to kill yellow jackets is to put a bowl with a mixture of 50% Mountain Dew (the soda) and 50% liquid dish water soap (not dish washer soap) they are attracted to it, go infor the sweetness stay because they can't move, because of the dishsoap, and they die. DO NOT USE IF THE WILD HONEYBEE POPULATION IS LARGE WHERE YOU ARE!!!!! Calabria wrote: > My aunt is tending a small backyard in a city and has noticed a nest > of > what look like yellowjackets or wasps, in the ground next to a > stairway. > She's concerned about residents being stung and would like to get rid > of > the yellowjackets. When is the best time of year to move or get rid of > this > nest without killing a large number of active insects? She's thinking > of > trying to destroy it in the winter when the queen and the eggs are the > only > inhabitants. > > Sorry for posting something about destroying a hive on a beekeeping > newsgroup, but since she's in an urban area she's concerned about > someone > being stung who may be particularly allergic. Some of you may also > have > opinions about how dangerous (or not dangerous) this is, and if it's > possible to cohabitate with these insects in an urban environment... > she's > basically doing general research at this point. > > Thanks for any help. Feel free to respond here and/or > Calabria@aol.com. > > Thanks! > > Roxanne -- Andy L. Kettlewell rungun305@earthlink.net -- Whitnall High School Marching Band Greenfield Wisconsin USA -- --------------20F63E792C8149722E66E416 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Andrew Kettlewell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Andrew Kettlewell n: Kettlewell;Andrew org: Piechowski Family Home page adr: 10432 W. Norwich Ave.;;;Greenfield;WI;53228-2026;USA email;internet: rungun305@earthlink.net title: Webmaster tel;work: 414-545-5502 tel;home: 414-545-5502 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------20F63E792C8149722E66E416-- Article 9508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting Date: 31 Aug 1997 15:35:38 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9508 I am a first year bee keeper in Western PA. Anyone have plans/directions for an inexpensive way to extract and process the honey from about a dozen supers? thanks Article 9509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellowjackets Date: 31 Aug 1997 15:36:48 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5uc32g$5gf$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <19970831024000.WAA00363@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9509 Try the files here: http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping /general/yellowjackets/ Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Date: 31 Aug 1997 19:59:24 GMT Lines: 22 Message-ID: <19970831195901.PAA23104@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9510 In article <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) writes: >I am a first year bee keeper in Western PA. Anyone have plans/directions >for an inexpensive way to extract and process the honey from about a dozen >supers? thanks Whatever you do, don't extract in the kitchen. Find a commercial beekeeper who is willing to do custom extraction. A dozen supers can be done in a couple hours, without causing any divorces. Cost will run from 5 - 12 cents, depending on whether you can help, and who keeps the cappings. We do custom extraction for a number of beekeepers. -----Old beekeeper version of Murphy's Law: "A drip of honey is enough to cover the entire floor." Pollinator@aol.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in the NEWS for Aug. Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:22:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708311408332522@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 101 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9511 *Also posted on the BEE-List. ---------------------------------------- From: )" Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:34:39 -0700 Subject: Bees in the NEWS for Aug. BEES IN THIS MONTHS NEWS The GOOD!! The month started off with ULEES GOLD, ulees gold, and more gold for the beekeepers. The McGinnis family long time beekeepers and Florida honey packer got a nice write around the 7th on the "shortage of TUPELO honey" which has never been in good supply, but a nice plug for them. http://www.n-jcenter.com/97/aug/07/fo807.htm The BAD!! What a way to end the month.....!! African bees kill two year old in Puerto Rico http://www.herald.com/americas/digdocs/010938.htm The story is below, but if you can't read it go to the connection. Other stories appeared on how beekeepers feel on crop duster's, and more on the 90%-109% loss of all wild honeybees, not worth the bytes, but please notice how the Puerto Rico story puffs the 150,000 "wild" bee colonies are all Africaner now. Maybe the Vampire mites don't bite the Mau Mau bees from Brizal. Bad news travels in pairs and the Mexican Killer Bees have been busy also attacking children and killing one. A lot is missing from this story, maybe you will find more on it later.. http://www/herald.com/brknews/docs/046888.htm ttul, the OLd Drone Published Saturday, August 30, 1997, in the Miami Herald Bees kill boy, 2, in Puerto Rico SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- (AP) -- Africanized bees, including those that killed 2-year-old Emanuel Irizarry this week, have nearly wiped out less aggressive bee species in Puerto Rico, an expert said Friday. A swarm of Africanized bees -- often called ``killer bees'' -- attacked the boy, who had gone with his father, grandmother and two cousins to pick avocados Wednesday. Emanuel died nine hours later at the Humacao Regional Hospital in southeastern Puerto Rico. The two cousins were hospitalized. Modesto Colon, director of the government's bee-control program, said four people have died in Puerto Rico from bee attacks in the past four years. He said Africanized bees were introduced to Puerto Rico around 1994 and have since overrun other species. ``We suspect that all the 150,000 wild bee colonies are Africanized,'' Colon said. Colon said Africanized bees are more aggressive, more easily disturbed, attack in swarms and will pursue a person who runs away from them. <Copyright 1997 The Miami Herald <Getting in touch with HERALDlink Article 9512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings & allergic reactions Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:36:16 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5ucrlu$hp7@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj4-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 31 5:36:46 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9512 k-jones@ee.utah.edu wrote: >My question: Is this a normal, occasional experience for beekeepers? Or >is this a sign that I am building up an allergy to bee venom? Should I be >worried about what might happen on my next sting? My brother is deathly >allergic to stings, and must carry a syringe (of epinephrine?) with him. >I'd hate to have to give up my hobby... Any advice? Kelly: Don't give up your hobby. I'm allergic also and carry an epipen; but what nobody else mentioned is take an anti-histamine about an hour BEFORE you're going to work with your bees. Once you've been stung and the hives/swelling/itching etc. start, taking the antihistamine is liking shutting the barn door after the horse is gone. The allergic reaction is already well under way. I use Seldane. But I'm sure any of them, Benadryl included work as well. Janet Article 9513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!207.106.0.20!news-xfer.netaxs.com!fastnet!news.fast.net!!user From: "Les" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Orchard Bees" Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 19:35:03 -0400 Organization: FASTNET(tm) PA/NJ/DE Internet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5ucv2c$g68$1@news1.fast.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max6-25.phl.fast.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0a (370) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9513 Hello! We read in a catalog about something they called "orchard bees" which they alleged were non-stinging! We would love to have a hive of bees to work our roses and other garden plants, but our 11-year-old is TERRIFIED of bees, to the point that he will not eat outdoors at all. Does anyone know about these thingies? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot! Les (wogears@fast.net) Article 9514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Date: 1 Sep 1997 01:38:55 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bcb677$c31618e0$9d6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19970831195901.PAA23104@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-29.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 31 8:38:55 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9514 Pollinator wrote in article <19970831195901.PAA23104@ladder01.news.aol.com>... | -----Old beekeeper version of Murphy's Law: "A drip of honey is enough to | cover the entire floor." - and the cupboards and the walls and the ceiling too. At least from what a former hobbyist (where we now have our AI yard) tells me. Seems he and his wife extracted in the kitchen real real careful like only to discover a thin film of honey on EVERY surface of the entire room. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honeybees in attic Date: 1 Sep 1997 01:58:00 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 53 Message-ID: <01bcb67a$6d93cf40$9d6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <340d35ed.93406077@news.servtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-29.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 31 8:58:00 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9515 Jim Mulcahy wrote in article <340d35ed.93406077@news.servtech.com>... | for the last couple of years, a swarm took up residence in my attic | behind my chimney. I haven't had the heart to exterminate them and | don't know how to get at them short of ripping the side of my house | off. Has anyone had experience removing/relocating such a hive? If the hive cannot be accessed without unacceptable repair costs to the house (like if you must remove masonry for example) then close off all but the main entrance (if there are multiple entrances) and put a screen cone over the entrance sealed tight to wall. The cone should stick out from wall about a foot or so and should have a exit at small end of cone that is big enough for one drone to get out off (so the drones don't clog up the hole) - basically a 5/16" - 3/8" hole will work fine. The bees will crawl up the cone and go out the hole just dandy. On the return flight they will fly straight back to the wall and most generally will not figure out how to get back in. If you have some smart ones that do figure out how to get back in the hole you put a second larger cone over the first. Now I got ahead of myself - Make the cone first but before you attach it set up a weak hive near the entrance of the hive to be "removed" - near as possible - under 3 feet away is optimal - I understand up to 6 feet away will work though when I have done it I have never had to set the hive that far away. Yep if it is way up high you will have to fashion a sturdy platform for the hive up there close. Once the bees come home and find they can't get in they eventually find the weak hive and move into it. Being weak the hive accepts them fine (being foragers for the most part helps too). You leave the screen cone in place for a month (gotta let the brood hatch out) and you should by then see zero bees leaving the cone. Once you hit that point remove the cone and let the hive rob out the honey. Then PRONTO after you move the hive away FILL up the space and plug up the holes properly. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings & allergic reactions Date: 1 Sep 1997 02:47:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 100 Message-ID: <01bcb681$48474d00$9d6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-29.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 31 9:47:04 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9516 k-jones@ee.utah.edu wrote in article <872717358.4671@dejanews.com>... | I've been keeping bees (one hive) for about a year and a half now. In | that time, I've been stung maybe half a dozen times. Stings are no big | deal, I scrape the stinger out ASAP, and the area gets a little red and | hurts mildly for an hour at most. | | A couple weeks ago, I received multiple stings from a couple | hornets/yellowjackets. These stings were much worse, the area got VERY | sore and painful, and stayed that way for almost a week. I learned to | hate hornets (and love bees) from this experience. | | Last week, I got stung once again by one of my bees, this time on the | front part of the neck, right over the clavicle. My wife scraped the | stinger out w/in a minute, and like usual, the area was just mildly sore. | About 15-30 minutes later, I started to itch like crazy. First my head | and beard, then my armpits, etc. Not quite sure what it was, I hopped | into the shower and washed off. By the time I got out of the shower, my | face and neck was starting to get puffy, I was breaking out in hives all | over, and I itched intensely. I popped a couple benadryl and took a 'wait | and see' attitude. At no time did I experience any other type of | discomfort, nor any difficulty breathing. Within a couple hours, things | were back to normal. This was a "skin allergy" reaction - not life threatening as it does not involve the respiratory nor the circulatory systems. If you had a bit of the gambler in you (and a sting kit at the ready) you could do as we did with our son when he had a "skin allergy" reaction after getting stung pronto upon leaving the truck when we pulled into a formerly calm yard that was getting hit by skunks. We figured he WOULD get stung again around here so we better take a Pro-Active approach (which is generally NOT what a doctor is likely to recomend - often because they are clueless in large measure about this "bee sting" reaction deal). So the first thing I did was deal with the reaction via anti-histamine. Once we got home (closed hive up and left for home ASAP) I helped ease his discomfort via a warm baking soda bath. He had hives which went away as the anti-histamine kicked in. After the reaction was over I got out "The Hive and the Honey Bee" and read with rapt attention chapter 27 "Allergy to Venomous Insects" by Justin O. Schmidt. Funny how a close to home thing piques your interest. I recomend you read this - if ya have decent reading retention you will likely know more about allergies to venomous insects than every doctor in your county combined when you get done. Then based on the new info plus what we already knew I made a plan and bounced it off my wife (a Veterinarian - lotsa medical knowledge some of which has broad application). Next day much to my son's dismay and amidst his vociferous complaints the plan was put into action. That is every day for 4 days - starting day after sting which elicited the "skin allergy" reaction - mean old Dad would catch a bee off the observation hive entrance and sting the boy in a non-swollen area (don't sting an area already swollen from a sting). And the idea behind this is to "force" the immune system to choose to become more "immune" to bee venom rather than leave it free to choose either that route or else the flip side route of becoming increasingly sensitive and all the while you not knowing which it chose until some future day when he got stung again by accident. And so far despite numerous stings he has NEVER had a skin allergy reaction again - was it because of what we did? - we shall likely never know. And as an aside - if you keep bees even if you are not the least sensitive to stings ya oughta keep a Bee Sting Kit at hand. The type I carry in my truck has chewable anti-histamine tablets (important for children that they are chewable) and a syringe of epenephrine (?sp?). Maybe you will never need it - but a friend or family member just may need it and if they do ya surely would not want to be without it. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heaven's Gate (fable) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:14:00 GMT Message-ID: <9708312243512526@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 96 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9517 *cross posted from the BEE-List for your enjoyment. ---------------------------------------- HEAVENS GATE, the Beekeeper's Test Old beekeepers sooner or later have to plan for the next life and since it is a well know fact that beekeepers have long been barred from the best pastures in heaven I must report on an experience of one of the best known commercial beekeepers on Earth and how he got in. As the OLd Drone, (name changed to protect the family), approached the gate he was pleased to see St. Pete was there to greet him. This soon turned to disappointment when he read the BOLD print on the hand out given him, "NO BEEKEEPERS ALLOWED". Not being one who to give up looking for a bee location because of signs or a locked gate so he engaged St. Pete in a discussion of all the usual reasons beekeepers give to get a new bee location.. "I will give you a share of the honey crop, and pollinate all your flowers for free" said the OLd Drone as he made his best offer. "NO WAY" St. Peter replied "We have a special place for Beekeepers and its not up here!" It was obvious that at one time a beekeeper had been let in the heavens gate judging by St. Pete's mind set and the experience must have not been all that good but just look at all those flowers dripping with nectar and they are not hurting for anything and must bloom all year around. The OLd Drone continue pleading his case and may have not made any points with St. Peter but wore him down to the point that St. Peter said: "OK, if you will stand here with me and I will parade all the people in Heaven past and if you can pick out the one beekeeper we let in I will let you in." "(And goodbye to the other beekeeper if you can do it.)" OK, replies the OLd Drone.. bring on Heavens residents. St. Peter knew he had the beekeeper in a no win agreement because all the people in Heaven look the same in their sheer heavenly garb which left nothing to guess about as they were the see through type as no body had anything to hide, everyone just looked the same to everyone else. From behind a small hill of tall flowers a line of people formed, not hundreds or thousands but millions and they were marched by the OLd Drone one by one for what it seemed was like days, weeks, or months but by Heavens clock it was only 15 minutes even though the OLd Drone had looked at hundreds of thousands he suddenly yelled "Stop that man is a beekeeper!" St. Pete just about swallowed his pearly teeth...the OLd Drone had picked out the one and only beekeeper in heaven. It just could not be, how could he do it, he must have cheated, or just maybe he does knows something I don't know. Well I just got to find out how he did it thought St. Peter, so he asked the OLd Drone, "This was an impossible job no body else could do it, we been looking for that guy for thousands of years, tell me how did you do it?? "It was easy" said the OLd Drone. "But before I tell, you must agree to liberalize your beekeeper policy and allow all beekeepers in Heaven." "OK, OK, I just got to know." Says St. Peter. "You know that beekeepers have no belie buttons, but as Jesus is the only man who has been on earth not born of woman so he has no belie button. Beekeepers when they pass on have a permanent brass or pot metal beekeeping belt buckle covering their navel that says BEEKEEPER so they know who they are and not be confused with Jesus and thats how I could tell this man was a beekeeper from all the other people in Heaven." the OLd Drone continued as he pulled aside the guys thin robe to reveal that ever present BEEKEEPER belt buckle commonly seen holding up beekeepers pants on earth covering his navel and compared it with his own brass buckle also with BEEKEEPER written across it in place of his own belie button... *Actually each time I hear or tell this fable it is different and it may not make sense to some of you, but if you have ever been in a large gathering of beekeepers you will be amused at the wonderful beekeeping belt buckles each beekeepers has. Beekeepers do have belie buttons but it just seemed to me that when we get to heaven we will be allowed to keep those beautiful beekeeping belt buckles and I could not see any place to hang them other then in place of our belie buttons as I am sure that they will take our clothes and all other worldly things before we get there. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 9518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey prices Date: Sun, 31 Aug 97 21:00:04 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <873061204snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9518 Please friends: How much might a 1lb jar of high quality IMPORTED Irish honey fetch in your area ? Thanks -- joe mc cool (beekeeper) By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ========================================================================