Articles 13590-13650 are missing from this file--try deja news. I'll see if I can't fix this sometime. Adam Finkelstein 9/8/98 Article 13651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:55:49 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-33.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!weld.news.pipex.net!hose.news.pipex.net!grot.news.pipex.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-33.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:43 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13651 soc.culture.british:393263 uk.misc:119596 >Bits? BITS???? It's *bee* *vomit* for Christ's sake, man. It's *HORRIBLE*. > Yum yum. Article 13654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0031.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:20:07 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 20 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <01bdbe7d$d59f0580$0100007f@clipper> <35c67349.1268160@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <3614b232.187958855@news.demon.co.uk> <35cb2247.4654553@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0031.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:45 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13654 >thixotropic ... > (1) Jelly-like until agitated, when it turns liquid, then if left > alone, gels again, until agitated, etc., ...like ketchup! (or maybe in the UK it's "catsup"?) Regarding heather honey, I recently received a jar of it as a gift, from a friend in Scotland. It is fully granulated and opaque in the jar, and evidently that is how the producer packs it for the retail market. I'm wondering: If I were to warm the honey to change it back to liquid state, would it then have the typical thixotropic consistency? And does heather honey tend to granulate anyway, or might there have been some blossom or rape honey blended in to bring about thorough and even granulation? tnx- J. Article 13655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!cognant.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: mike@cognant.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Api life var Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:21:47 GMT Organization: Cognant Consultants Limited Message-ID: <902352107.26418.1.nnrp-04.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> References: <1998072420474700.QAA28894@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902352107 nnrp-04:26418 NO-IDENT cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13655 In article <1998072420474700.QAA28894@ladder01.news.aol.com>, friess@aol.com says... > >Has anybody experience with 'api life var' a varroacide based on essential oils >and give me information about its efficacy. > >Thanks in advance >and greetings from Munich, > >Friedrich Try http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/2352/ for results of trial in Devon, UK. The results were good We have tried it on a few hives here in Northern England and the results were also good. We got a similar knockdown rate to the use of Bayvarol. With the present UK laws on bee treatment it is questionable if Apilife is still legal in the UK regards, Mike Rowbottom Article 13656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!128.186.6.106.MISMATCH!news.fsu.edu!nntp.cntfl.com!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can $ be made in bee keeping?? Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:07:13 -0700 Organization: Not Applicable Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp01.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 902113479 15685 207.49.163.160 (3 Aug 1998 03:04:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 1998 03:04:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13656 Honey is very popular right now, but it is severly underpriced. Some say it is unnaturally underpriced because of the Communist Chinese government subsidized honey that floods like the Yangtsee River into the honey markets. It is also known that the Chinese Communists, besides cutting the beekeepers' overhead down to nothing and paying them a subsistence, feed the bees on corn syrup, not nectar, because by doing so they can produce more "honey" and sell it to the big cereal makers and others vwho are profiting on the current popularity of "honey". In any event, if the honey markets were to normalize, pure honey in the comb would be worth a lot, and beeswax even more, and you could be in business right at the right time, but what do I know? In article <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, UZEQ43A@prodigy.com says... > I have seven acres and have been following this and other ng's in an > effort to determine what might be a viable project for me economically.... > can you make any money in the bee/honey business?? jt > > Article 13657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "met" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: problems with bee eater Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:15:19 +0200 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6q4juk$2o7$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp227.195.redestb.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!134.222.90.2.MISMATCH!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!rccn.net!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.bcn.ibernet.es!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13657 I have problems with a bird wich eat my bees, is the "bee eater". What do i do? Article 13658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can $ be made in bee keeping?? Date: 3 Aug 1998 04:14:45 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6q3dfl$7mv@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!130.207.244.101.MISMATCH!GT-News!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!andromeda.vec.net!news.gs.net!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13658 If you haven't done it before, try it on a small scale. See whether you like the hard work. Then, if you do, figure out how much it is going to cost you to gear up. Some folks will probably comment on the pollination business, including the equipment it takes to move the hives around. Lord knows, most agricultural areas need the pollinators. In a previous article, UZEQ43A@prodigy.com (John Taylor) says: >I have seven acres and have been following this and other ng's in an >effort to determine what might be a viable project for me economically.... >can you make any money in the bee/honey business?? jt > > -- Article 13659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:33:30 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35c7bca6.314976@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <01bdbe7d$d59f0580$0100007f@clipper> <35c67349.1268160@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <3614b232.187958855@news.demon.co.uk> <35cb2247.4654553@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-47.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 26 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-47.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:46 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13659 On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:20:07 -0400, jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) wrote: >>thixotropic ... >> (1) Jelly-like until agitated, when it turns liquid, then if left >> alone, gels again, until agitated, etc., > >...like ketchup! > >(or maybe in the UK it's "catsup"?) > >Regarding heather honey, I recently received a jar of it as a gift, from a >friend in Scotland. It is fully granulated and opaque in the jar, and >evidently that is how the producer packs it for the retail market. > >I'm wondering: If I were to warm the honey to change it back to liquid >state, would it then have the typical thixotropic consistency? And does >heather honey tend to granulate anyway, or might there have been some >blossom or rape honey blended in to bring about thorough and even >granulation? > If heather honey has granulated, I think it probably has some other honey mixed with it. Of course this may have happened in the hive, and is not necessarily any fault of the beekeeper. Warming may help, the only way to find out is try it but keep the heat low and gentle. But I'm sure someone out theere knows better, and can clear this up for both of us! Article 13660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: combining a small swarm with weak hive Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9307-35C8D625-54@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <35C5E5A2.44878B66@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRNEN+Nj54ueqEjIDGN0Sc4v/mKLwIUbKpfOSoUHYYFKunbXfJhGy0320U= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13660 I combined two hives about six weeks ago using newspaper to separate the brood boxes. It worked very well. (Knock on wood.) I had one hive from last summer that lost its queen. Up until she disappeared, my hive was strong. but within weeks there was no brood and no sign of the marked queen. I had just introduced a new Buckfast queen to an Italian hive that survived the winter but was barely hanging on. It was purely an act of desperation. I cannot lift supers once they are full of drawn wax and brood. I have to take frames out of one box and put in an empty super sitting next to the hive. No big deal unless you have two full deeps. It's amazing how patient bees can be to ineptitude. Anyway, when I decided to combine the hives, I had just spent a very hot afternoon inspecting my other hives, so decided to try it. I picked up a very light deep with queen, carried it to the queenless hive with 2 almost full deeps and one shallow super, took off lid and inner cover, laid a couple of open newspaper pages over top and punched a few holes in it, then put deep w/queen on top and put back inner cover and top. I then walked away not really caring what happened to the darned thing. We then had a series of very bad thunder storms. Between that and my job, I didn't check the hive for about three weeks. When I did, it was full of brood and a lot of very busy bees. I broke the hive down, put the brood and queen into the bottom hive body, honey and pollen into the second deep, queen excluder, and topped with shallow super. This gave me one whole deep with drawn out comb to distribute to my other new hives. Article 13661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:26:37 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 48 Message-ID: <6qaq2k$j4i$1@supernews.com> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902359956 .ZFUVYH4M1C23D0EBC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:47 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13661 soc.culture.british:393452 uk.misc:119676 JGinNY wrote: > > In article <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>, > jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) wrote: > > > >Bits? BITS???? It's *bee* *vomit* for Christ's sake, man. It's *HORRIBLE*. > > > > > Yum yum. > > > "Vomit" would imply some sort of digestive system illness, and that honey > is somehow not clean. The bees are not sick. They don't harbor or spread > human illness, and for that matter, I'm not sure Christ has anything to do > with it. > > In its defense, honey is one of the purest, most wholesome foods you can > get. Basically a solution of sugars, it does not require pasteurization, > refrigeration or preservatives, it stores fine for years, and in fact, > even exhibits marked antiseptic qualities. The honey bees themselves are > extremely sanitary animals, and thrive solely on plant byproducts -- > nectar and pollen. > > (Consider some other "fine" foods. Prawns, lobster, beef, certain fishes, > mushrooms, etc. are frequently reared in conditions of filth, yet they are > high-priced delicacies. No concern there. Salami is heart tissue. Eggs > are chicken ova. Milk comes from the bovine mammary gland. Flour, peanut > butter and ketchup always contain certain amounts of insect parts. It's a > given. Haggis, sweetbreads, tripe, caviar... now there, one might have > cause for concern(!), but then it all depends.) > > There is simply nothing wrong with honey, unless you don't enjoy its > particular flavor, and that varies widely depending on the floral > sources. As with breads, cheeses, or even ice cream, don't knock it if > you've only sampled a few kinds. > > Now, I prefer maple syrup to honey, myself, but just the same, I wouldn't > call it *HORRIBLE*! > > Geez. I agree. Isn't it time to get this newsgroup back on track? There are plenty other places where postings like this thread can be supported - this should not be one of them. There is surely an alt.stupid, alt.ignorant or alt.letmeshowmyass that would be a lot more appropriate. Article 13662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nucs Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:11:55 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35C92D0B.441C@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.47.80.64 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902366154 VRL06/YYI5040CE2FC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13662 I started a new colony two weeks ago with 3 frames of capped brood and two frames honey. The new queen is laying nice and the bees are drawing out the sixth and seventh frame. In a mid day inspection there are bees covering 5 frames, with eggs in two frames so far. I also put a feeder on top hoping this would speed up the wax building. I live in Eastern Ontario along Lake Ontario. Should I be considering investing a booster pack of bees? I don't really want to remove any more bees from my other two hives. Or do you think there is time for the colony to build up on its own? Thanks Kent Stienburg Article 13663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!weld.news.pipex.net!hose.news.pipex.net!grot.news.pipex.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!krypton.inbe.net!INbe.net!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!axalotl.demon.co.uk!axalotl!usenet From: huge@axalotl_nospam.demon_nospam.co.uk (Hugh Davies) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: 5 Aug 1998 20:37:13 GMT Organization: Piglet's Pickles and Preserves Message-ID: <6qafpp$eoa@axalotl.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: huge@axalotl_nospam.demon_nospam.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: axalotl.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: axalotl.demon.co.uk:158.152.24.143 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902371794 nnrp-10:4513 NO-IDENT axalotl.demon.co.uk:158.152.24.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net x-no-archive: yes Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:48 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13663 soc.culture.british:393519 uk.misc:119684 In article , jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) writes: >In its defense, honey is one of the purest, most wholesome foods you can >get. No it's not. It's regurgitated by bees to feed baby bees. It is not "pure", "wholesome" or "food". -- "The British are subtle, but nasty when provoked." --spaf http://www.axalotl.demon.co.uk [Remove "_nospam" for email] Article 13664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: &wasteofspace&@orla.demon.co.uk (William Oakey) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:31:08 GMT Organization: [not set] Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35d47125.5797469@news2.theplanet.co.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6qaq2k$j4i$1@supernews.com> Reply-To: &wasteofspace&@orla.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.grosvenor-of-london.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:49 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13664 soc.culture.british:393586 uk.misc:119716 On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:26:37 -0500, AL wrote: > >I agree. >Isn't it time to get this newsgroup back on track? There are plenty >other places where postings like this thread can be supported - this >should not be one of them. There is surely an alt.stupid, alt.ignorant >or alt.letmeshowmyass that would be a lot more appropriate. > Damn right, these limey faggots and their pathetic bees, why I heard that an English swarm was when two bees met and headed in the same direction. Article 13665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!lettings.demon.co.uk!victoria From: victoria@lettings.demon.co.uk (Victoria) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:34:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1ddc6wo.1o2fl4x10pjbfkN@lettings.demon.co.uk> References: <01bdbe7d$d59f0580$0100007f@clipper> <35c67349.1268160@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <3614b232.187958855@news.demon.co.uk> <35cb2247.4654553@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q6ena$dos@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6qafpp$eoa@axalotl.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lettings.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lettings.demon.co.uk:158.152.166.143 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902403100 nnrp-02:17338 NO-IDENT lettings.demon.co.uk:158.152.166.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:50 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13665 soc.culture.british:393614 uk.misc:119733 Hugh Davies wrote: > No it's not. It's regurgitated by bees to feed baby bees. It is not > "pure", "wholesome" or "food". Aw, that just makes it sound cute. -- Victoria Article 13666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!weld.news.pipex.net!cold.news.pipex.net!warm.news.pipex.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!newshost.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:42:26 +0100 Organization: Oh dear. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35C9A4B2.523A78CE@open.ac.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:51 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13666 soc.culture.british:393629 uk.misc:119743 Hugh Davies wrote: > In article <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>, jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) writes: > >On 4 Aug 1998 07:54:18 GMT, huge@axalotl_nospam.demon_nospam.co.uk > >(Hugh Davies) wrote: > >>In article <35cb2247.4654553@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>, jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) writes: > >>>Someone claimed London Honey was very highly regarded in England. > >>Honey is weepings from the picked scabs of the haemarrhoids of Satan. > >Mmmm...smashing on a bit of toast. Especially if it's got bits in > Bits? BITS???? It's *bee* *vomit* for Christ's sake, man. It's *HORRIBLE*. Yeah, awful. No idea where the bees get their diced carrot, though. Hmm, what knowlege - I can see you're a country boy. R. -- My newsfeed is erratic :. post+e-mail to be sure I receive your msg. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Little darlins. The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at reader's own risk. Article 13667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!ral!usenet From: Mike Warren Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:25:42 +0100 Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Oxon, UK Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35C81705.6B0485A2@rl.ac.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: comet.cis.rl.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:52 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13667 soc.culture.british:393637 uk.misc:119746 JAF wrote: > >Bits? BITS???? It's *bee* *vomit* for Christ's sake, man. It's > *HORRIBLE*. > > > Yum yum. Honey is wonderful stuff.....especially spread of some hot crumpet!;) Mike Warren. Article 13668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!weld.news.pipex.net!bowl.news.pipex.net!warm.news.pipex.net!heat.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!diablo.theplanet.net!svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: &wasteofspace&@orla.demon.co.uk (William Oakey) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:24:09 GMT Organization: [not set] Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35ebbbba.24893036@news2.theplanet.co.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <35C81705.6B0485A2@rl.ac.uk> Reply-To: &wasteofspace&@orla.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.grosvenor-of-london.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:53 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13668 soc.culture.british:393650 uk.misc:119761 On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:25:42 +0100, Mike Warren wrote: > >Honey is wonderful stuff.....especially spread of some hot crumpet!;) > Cover her with black cherry yoghourt, it is a healthier and less sticky option and tends not to tax the tongue too much. Article 13669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Api life var Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <20185-35C98BEF-15@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <902352107.26418.1.nnrp-04.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAgj/bPsIITvYkyfWNZfucwjjSwr0CFCFgZ+ZkfMbT3W5zdLYm86oN2jLa Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13669 What is API LIFE VAR. BUD Article 13670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive beetle Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:54:15 -0400 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.89 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.89 Message-ID: <35ca17f7.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.89 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13670 Greetings!.. life cycle,longevity,control,etc..of the hive beetle located here: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 13671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!not-for-mail From: Eric Maloney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,rec.arts.books.marketplace Subject: FS [eBay]: books on bees and beekeeping Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:24:02 -0400 Organization: MV Communications Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35CA3B0F.560C2D6A@maloney.mv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pnh-1-09.mv.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13671 rec.arts.books.marketplace:151960 I have the following four books up for auction at eBay. Click the appropriate link for more info (including full table of contents), to view images, or to bid. All auctions close on 8/13: "Honey by the Ton" by Oliver Field, Barn Owl Books (London; no U.S. edition) 1983, hardcover with dust jacket, 198 pages (approx. 8.75" x 5.5"), illustrated with drawings and b&w photos. Bidding starts at $7. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24440886 "The Life of the Bumblebee," by D.V. Alford, Davis-Poymer (London) 1978, hardcover with dust jacket, 78 pages, with center section of b&w photos. (This book is OOP in the U.S.; I don't know about availability in the U.K.) Bidding starts at $7. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24441063 "Bee-Keeping at Buckfast Abbey with a Section on Meadmaking," by Brother Adam, published by British Bee Publications, 1980 reprint of 1975 book, hardcover with glossy, illustrated cover, 85 pages, illustrated with b&w photos. Bidding starts at $7. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24441237 "Rearing Queen Honey Bees" by Roger A. Morse, Wicwas Press (Ithaca, N.Y.) 1979, no edition stated, hardcover with dust jacket, 128 pages ,illustrated with b&w photos. Bidding starts at $5. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24441976 Article 13672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: cbrand9587@aol.com (CBrand9587) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ancient hives! Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998080700140800.UAA25771@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 00:14:08 GMT Organization: AOL Bertelsmann Online GmbH & Co. KG http://www.germany.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13672 I have some picīs of ancient hives on my Hompage! http://members.aol.com/CBrand9587/bienenmus.html Article 13673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!uunet!in3.uu.net!iafrica.com!news01.iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protective Garments for Beekeepers Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:07:33 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6q6jot$p7k$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-75.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13673 Mountain Bee Products is owned and directed by Robin and Stella of Mphumalanga South Africa. Our company specializes in the manufacturing of Protective Garments for you the Beekeeper. Our superior range of Mountain Bee Veil, Jacket and Beekeepers Suits is now being used with confidence on all five continents. Take a look a our Web Page at http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html Please feel free to get back to me for a price list in your own countries currency. I am also looking for more international distributors. ROBIN J. MOUNTAIN mountbee@iafrica.com begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO References: <35dcc6b2.7725227@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQXtipJnGTOZ2JKEraczGHbGrLoYgIUPw9lNQXy9GdYGCYlNfAXnjfdado= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13674 I din't know that some of our Gov. workers were over in the UK working now. Y'all cant get any more out of them than we can. BUD Article 13675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee - varroa mite Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998080715351700.LAA28914@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 15:35:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qf3vm$4aju$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13675 For an indepth "guide" to the drone-cell method check out Barry Bireky's page at http://www.brikey.com and click on beekeepng Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee - varroa mite Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:44:54 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6qf3vm$4aju$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <6qdc58$15a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-05.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 7 Aug 1998 14:46:14 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/71db885704760393 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13676 Some beekeepers in Europe are using one "all drone cell frame" in each hive, replacing it on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. They check for varroa by opening up drone cells within the hive, observing the number of varroa on the drone pupae which may indicate the level of the infestation. Apparently, the mites prefer drone cells. a_massari@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6qdc58$15a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >There is someone that knows some natural methods for the varroa mite >whitout use any chemical product? >Please send me suggestion about. Thanks. >Antonio M. > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0118.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 13:06:12 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 47 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0118.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13677 Hi Paul - You can process the honey w/o an extractor thusly: You can just cut the combs from the frames, mash them up, and let them drain (through some nylon mesh) over a pail. In a couple days the wax will be practically dry, and can rinse it with water and it's ready to be melted down. The honey collected in the container below can be skimmed, strained through a finer mesh if desired, and bottled. If the super-combs were built on wired foundation, you probably don't want to destroy them and have to replace the foundation. Instead, this works reasonably well: Take a metal spoon (table-spoon) or some other implement, and start scraping the cell walls and honey off the foundation base. Scrape it right down to the midrib, being careful not to poke through. Let the honey and broken wax bits fall into a soup-strainer or colander set over a pot, where it can drain for a several hours. Once you have scraped it down to the foundation, you can use a spatula to get most of the remaining honey that is still on the cell-bases. Or, just stand the frames up in a large container, set it in a warm place and let the honey collect at the bottom. By leaving the foundation with the cell ridges mainly intact, you can return the frames to the bees and they will rebuild the comb next time around, as they would from new foundation. --- etc: 1) Many beekeepers prefer to maintain queens less than a year old, but it's not imperative. Colonies with current-year queens are less likely to swarm, but on the other hand some queens can keep laying well for 2-3 seasons or more. You can certainly let a good productive queen keep going, if you like, and allow the bees to replace her when they "decide" she is running down. This natural supersedure is usually quite successful, and the replacement/daughter queen will carry on the colony well. 2) If a queen is lost, or begins to fail, as long as there are worker eggs or larvae up to 3 days old or so present in the hive, the bees can rear a queen. enjoy the honey! joel Article 13678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.113.230.MISMATCH!nntpX.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1998080716002900.MAA25082@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 16:00:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13678 RE: 1) - late Spring, when the honey flow is on would be the "best" time to requeen your operation. The hive will readily accpet a new queen and more importantly, queen breeders will have had a period of time with good flight weather to help insure a well-mated queen. There are several very good qwueen breeders in the UK, most notably Buckfast Abbey. You can contact (Ibeleieve this is the right group name) the Devonshire Breeders Association and the Kent Beekeepers Association, both of which have websites (I don't have the URLs at hand but they link off of my homepage at http://members.aol.com/beetools - as well as off several other's pages). Your biggest problem is to keep your operation from expanding. Your bees will grow and their natural desire is to reproduce (swarm). You should find a locate beekeeper that wants to expand and trade/sell them your excess frames of brood in early Spring. this will give you some income and help keep your bees from swarming. 2) - The bees will select a group of fertilized eggs (less than thre days old) and build queen cells around these eggs and raise new queens. This is one reason you need to be on the alter for a failing queen to keep from minimuizing the bees chance to requeenBut, better yet, YOU should off the failing queen and replace her with a queen whos genetics (and therefore traits) you select, not the bees. 3) - squish, strain and drain Good luck, Ron Bennett, Luckaimute Bee Article 13679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998080715411900.LAA23000@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 15:41:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13679 Tell your friend that he is waisting his time with this technique and his "greed" to get a samll amount of honey could ulimately lead to the loss of his entire operation in a "bad" mite year (varroa populations do run on about a three-five year cycle depending on your location) The purpose of mite treatments are not just to knock down the mite population, it is to break the brood cycle. By removing the strips and reinstalling them he has killed only the older audlt mites and not the breeding mothers and thier young. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey pot ants Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:21:41 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35CB1B85.D58@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d39.dial-5.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 Aug 1998 15:22:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13680 Does anyone know the natural range of these critters. Could they be raised for honey? They could be marketed as grapes with legs. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.ca.nortel.com!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!news From: Sharon Gibbs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Devon:UK Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:13:49 +0100 Organization: Nortel Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35CB43DD.C9FD8455@bottom.of.post> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncldm395.europe.nortel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13681 Are there any beekeepers in North Devon, UK who would be prepared to coach a novice beekeeper? All advice welcome. A neighbour, an established beekeeper has suffered an anaphylactic (Spelling?) shock as a result of a couple of stings and has been advised to re-home her bees. I was delighted when they were offered my way, but am anxious to understand the bees and be able to work with them effectively as soon as possible. I have no immediate desire to harvest any product. Just keeping them well for the time being will be sufficient. Many Thanks...Sharon -- Reply email address is sharon dot gibbs at nortel dot com The views expresed above do not respresent those of my employer. Article 13682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa Keeler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: 7 Aug 98 14:26:31 GMT Organization: PSINet Lines: 48 Message-ID: <01bdc239$2a679dc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13682 I too have heard of this method and I would make the following changes if using this myself. 1. Throw away the apistan strips after using them for the first 2 week treatment. 2. Apply new apistan strips for 6 weeks later after the flow rather than treat for only 4 weeks. To me this seems like a logical way to rescue an overly infested hive and still be able to catch a late run. I don't see any way that this should encourage resistance but it may be flawed because you are not doing a complete cleanup of the mites in August as they suggest. Can anyone critique this thinking and point out where the flaws are? Lisa K. Indiana dugan1@usit.net wrote in article <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > Recently at the area bee club meeting, I heard someone saying he intends to > treat with Apistan for the next two weeks, then remove the strips to collect > some fall honey and then re-install them for another 4 weeks in October. He > said that the first treatment should get "about 80% of them" and the followup > treatment would get the rest. > > My first thought was that this sounded like it might risk creating resistant > mites, but this guy (and most others for that matter) knows a lot more about > bees than I do, so how do I know it's not a good idea. I'd like to do it, > too, if it's sound practice. I'm also treating with menthol, which I assume > I'd also have to remove in a couple of weeks. > > So what's the real story? Is this a viable practice, or is it asking for > trouble? Is the story the same for Apistan/Varroa as for menthol/Tracheal > Mites? > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum > Article 13683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:04:21 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35cb4113.4165803@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35dcc6b2.7725227@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <24590-35CAF76C-1@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-83.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-83.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13683 On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:47:40 -0400 (EDT), bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: >I din't know that some of our Gov. workers were over in the UK working >now. Y'all cant get any more out of them than we can. > >BUD > So, it's the same the world over...........!? Article 13684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarming in August? Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:49:17 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d193.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 Aug 1998 18:50:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13684 Can bees swarm in August? How can you tell swarming behavior from mere mustering of the troops for a good honey flow? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: geneticall engineered bees Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:51:14 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d193.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 Aug 1998 18:52:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13685 Would bee keepers be receptive to genetically engineered bees ? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:06:28 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35d7655b.9495971@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-103.dial.nildram.co.uk Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-103.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13686 On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:51:14 -0400, Marc Andelman wrote: >Would bee keepers be receptive to genetically >engineered bees ? > The method used by Brother Adam, for example (breeding), is not, and would not be a problem, but if genes from other species are used, I for one am dead against it. (Get the joke in here, before someone else does:- "After all, who on earth would want fish-flavoured honey?") Anyone who is interested in the Genetic Modification debate might like to look at these references. (Cut & Paste) =========================================== Email: =========================================== http://www.dmac.co.uk/gen.html (this is the website of the Genetic Engineering Network) =========================================== http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/shag/genetix.html (super heroes against genetics - website for action reports, X files etc, GMO register etc...) ======================================== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~GENETICS INFORMATION LISTS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * If you would like to be on a list (and are not already) reply to putting 'Subscribe Genetics' in the subject box. There is a very busy list (list 1) & a less 'full-on' (list 2) that only receives Genetix Update newsletter & occasional action alerts - please specify. To "unsubscribe" please follow the same guidelines. You DO NOT need to be on both lists. *If you have anything to contribute to any of these lists then send it in and it will be forwarded - unedited wherever possible. Please do not send attachments instead just add text to emails main body. You will see that will be the return address for genetics emails. When replying please use wherever possible. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 13687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:16:13 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 48 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0020.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0020.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13687 In article <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: > Can bees swarm in August? According to Roger Morse over at Cornell, about 20% of swarming in this region takes place during late summer/early autumn. The data are for the area around Ithaca, NY. I'm wondering if it is as prominent elsewhere -- anyone else on the ng have experience with this phenomenon? Late swarming was not at all common in eastern New England, when I had bees out there. (AFAIK - never heard about it or saw any) However, in some of his writings, Richard Bonney of UMASS has mentioned it as occuring in western Massachusetts., & it would be interesting to hear more about this. We got six (count 'em) swarm calls last year at this time, and also hived one from one of my own hives. The year before, I found a massive swarm hanging in one of my yards in September when I went to pick up some cleared supers. Exasperating. They were nice enough to cluster within reach, but it's hard to get excited about a swarm that has no future. This late-season swarming is annoying, frankly, because -the swarms don't have enough time to build up a substantial nest by frost, and -the parent colonies lose their laying queens. With the swarm gone, it's a few weeks before the parent col. has a decent brood nest going again, with their new queen. Being so late, it's a really bad time for such a major break in brood rearing. So what to do? If it's a big swarm, and not too late you can hive them and feed the heck out of them, and maybe give them a few combs of brood as a boost later. It's easier to just hive them, and unite them back with the orig. hive before frost, avec newspaper. It's even easier to just let them head for the hills, & then hope the parent colony can get their act together in time for wintering. The swarm in the wild, is doomed, and the parent hive weakened -- not a very promising strategy for colony reproduction, but hey, what are you gonna do? This late swarm season seems to coincide with the onset of the goldenrod honey flows here, which yield lots of nectar - usually - following a brief dearth. IME, colonies that were prevented from swarming back in the Spring are often the same ones that pull this shenanigan later. Article 13688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 21:11:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13688 From: Marc Andelman <> I'd like to know that myself, since I'll need a market when I finish my current project. I'm splicing in some bumblebee genes to make a bigger honeybee -- able to carry a bigger load. Then I'll splice in some genes from a firefly -- so the bee can work at night....... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998080801155600.VAA09831@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Aug 1998 01:15:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13689 > > I'm splicing in some bumblebee genes to make a bigger honeybee -- able to >carry a bigger load. > > Then I'll splice in some genes from a firefly -- so the bee can work at >night....... > Then a few genes from the waxmoth so they uncap the honey for me. Article 13690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998080801200000.VAA03634@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Aug 1998 01:20:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13690 I had sucess with late swarms I use division board feeders so when I install these I must remove a comb from the brood box of each hive. The late swarms get these combs, some are one side brood some just honey. I know they say take your losses in the fall but I like to have bees on brood combs rather than store them or put some hives up in 3 deeps. Tom in CT Article 13691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee - varroa mite Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998080712225500.IAA11844@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 12:22:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qdc58$15a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13691 > >There is someone that knows some natural methods for the varroa mite >whitout use any chemical product? Very tiny tweezers Much patience Article 13692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!vastrim.demon.co.uk!RFOX From: "Richard A.Fox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:14:38 +0100 Organization: Fox Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vastrim.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vastrim.demon.co.uk:194.222.88.235 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902567891 nnrp-10:18010 NO-IDENT vastrim.demon.co.uk:194.222.88.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 53 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13692 >Hi All, > >I have just completed my first full year beekeeping, my two hives have >swelled to four by the arrival of swarms and am now seeking the advice of >the experts on where to go next. > I would strongly suggest joining your local beekeeping association, either contact the BBKA or look in the library. Most county associations give advice, tuition and often have libraries and equipement to borrow. In addition you also get 3rd party liability insurance thrown in for free with the memebership, which I think would help you sleep easier with situation you are in. >My hives are in the back garden in an urban environment. (I am in York UK >by the way). Thus far they have been little trouble, only one innocent >person getting stung when gardening near one of their flight paths, >however four hives will definitely be too great for my space so will >unite the two swarms soon. > If you started the year with nucs and someone has been stung already, things could be far worse next summer when the colonies move to full strength. I would strongly advise that you find a bail out apiary during the winter so if the worse does happen you can move them swiflty out of harms way. I ran 3 hives without incident for two seasons in a similar site, this year despite doing everything by the book, one colony turned nasty and started picking off neighbours with a vengance. I had to move them out pronto, but trying to organise and move on speck is very stressfull. It is better to have a plan set up before hand. Besides I would bet good money that by the end of next season you'll be wanting more hives and sites for out-apiaries are really not that difficult to find. >My questions are: > >1) The swarms have the old queen from the colony they swarmed from. My >hives will have queens of at least a year old. Is it good policy to >re-queen next Spring. If so what time? Also my prime objective is that I >keep bees not maximise honey crop. (I am a keen amateur entomologist). >Also in a urban situation aggressive bees would not be good from a public >relations standpoint. >Is there a supplier of strains of bees like this in the UK. (I do realise >that for most of you honey is your prime goal so I suppose breaders will >not go for quiet non swarming queens). > There are several good passive strains in the UK, Buckfasts being the most well known. There are others, find some local beekeepers and see what they rate. I have a few addresses and comments about breeders I have used, drop me an e-mail if you want these as I don't clog up the NG. -- Richard A.Fox Article 13693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!hme1-2.newscontent.sprint.ca!not-for-mail From: John Summerfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Selling honey retail Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:33:56 -0400 Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35CC53C3.3E44A5BE@sprint.ca> References: <35BA58A5.F250F2AA@sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hme1-2.news.sprint.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: weehawk@sprynet.com Cache-Post-Path: michelob!unknown@spc-isp-ktc-uas-01-34.sprint.ca X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13693 weehawk@sprynet.com wrote: > This is my second season keeping bees in southern Louisiana, and this > year I definitely have a surplus of honey. I was considering > approaching a retailer, such as a grocery or health food store, and > offering local honey for sale. I've had success approaching those quaint country farmstands that peddle everything from corn to preserves at roadside. They usually welcome another natural product to their offerings. John Article 13694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail From: Howard Cohen Subject: Why do bees hang around the entrance? Message-ID: <35C8561D.DA76F429@analogic.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:54:53 -0400 Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13694 I have been reasured that bees hanging around the entrance is quite normal and healthy, but what is going on? I am a first year beekeeper and seem to have a good year. I may even get a super of honey from package bees. They have stored a lot of honey and made a lot of babies. They are working on a super diligently. The purple loosestrife is out, and they seem to be actively foraging. What I don't understand is the large numbers of bees hanging around the front, and sometimes, sides of the hive. They mostly are doing a little back-and-forth dance and sometimes festoon from the landing board. They do this even when it is relatively cool now(75 degrees), and, even at night, they don't seem to retreat into the hive. I am ventilating the hive at the top, and there is space in the hive. I haven't seen this behavior mentioned in any of the books. What is it? Is there a name for it? Is there a purpose to it? Does everybody experience it? Article 13695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35C86B33.4158@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:24:51 +0100 From: Malcolm Roe Organization: Hewlett Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping CC: mdr Subject: Re: problems with bee eater References: <6q4juk$2o7$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> <6q60cg$anl$1@tikehau.netreach.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: roe-m-1.hpl.hp.com X-Trace: 5 Aug 1998 16:21:04 +0100, roe-m-1.hpl.hp.com Lines: 36 X-Disclaimer: All opinions expressed herein are of personal nature and do not reflect the opinion of third parties. Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!isoit370.bbn.hp.com!roe-m-1.hpl.hp.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13695 Jumpin Jehospehat wrote: > > Do you have a description of this bird? If it's black and a glossy purple > color it may be a Purple Martin which is great for ridding acres of > mosquitoes but I don't know if they have an affinity for bees. It's certainly not a Purple Martin (Progne subis), which is an American bird. The original enquiry came from Spain. The Bee-eater (Merops apiaster) is a brightly coloured bird of southern Europe and Africa. Many insectivorous birds, including the Purple Martin, will take a few bees. This is unlikely to cause you much of a problem unless you're a queen breeder. The Bee-eater, however is a specialist. I have no personal experience (Bee-eaters are very rare in the UK, where I live) but, to quote from "The Hive and the Honey Bee", a copy of which every beekeeper should have: "Two groups of birds, the bee-eaters (genus Merops) and the honeyguides (genus Indicator) of Africa and Asia are more serious bee pests. Bee-eaters eat honey bees and other venomous Hymenoptera almost exclusively and bee- keepers often move apiaries away from their nest locations at certain times of year to reduce their impact." So I guess that's the answer: move the bees away. (The honeyguide is an even more interesting and unusual bird but that's getting right off the subject.) Malcolm Roe. Article 13696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why do bees hang around the entrance? Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:59:48 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 48 Message-ID: <35C87364.405C@midwest.net> References: <35C8561D.DA76F429@analogic.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.5.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902329347 .ZFUVYH4M051BD0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13696 Hi Howard, From a posting I found in this newsgroup back around June 21, I discovered this dance is called "washboarding" - go figure. Watching my bees intently the other evening they almost appeared to be coordinating their movememts and they were nearly all facing the same direction - down. After while I could almost imagine they were line dancing to a tune only they could hear. I decided I'd been spending *way* too much time with my bees:) This is the first year for me too and it has been one of the most enjoyable hobbies I've ever tried. AL -- ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Howard Cohen wrote: > > I have been reasured that bees hanging around the entrance is quite > normal and healthy, but what is going on? > > I am a first year beekeeper and seem to have a good year. I may even > get a super of honey from package bees. They have stored a lot of honey > and made a lot of babies. They are working on a super diligently. The > purple loosestrife is out, and they seem to be actively foraging. > > What I don't understand is the large numbers of bees hanging around the > front, and sometimes, sides of the hive. They mostly are doing a little > back-and-forth dance and sometimes festoon from the landing board. They > do this even when it is relatively cool now(75 degrees), and, even at > night, they don't seem to retreat into the hive. I am ventilating the > hive at the top, and there is space in the hive. > > I haven't seen this behavior mentioned in any of the books. What is > it? Is there a name for it? Is there a purpose to it? Does everybody > experience it? Article 13697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey crop Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:06:37 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6q9sgd$349m$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-40.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 5 Aug 1998 15:07:57 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/5176c96e7b44b018 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13697 It is a bit risky to mix uncapped honey with capped, as you might get some fermentation in your bottles later. Uncapped honey, as you probably know, does not usually have the proper moisture content to permit bottling it. If you want to risk mixing both uncapped and capped, then you might try shaking the uncapped frames and if you observe ANY drops of honey coming from the cells, DO NOT mix them. Evidently, this is not a perfect test for proper moisture content, but in a pinch it has worked for me. Vicky Campbell wrote in message ... >What do you do if you take off your supers and most of the frames still have >some uncapped honey in them? >Can you get honey to the right consistency by leaving it in ripening tanks >with muslin over it? >I need to remove the supers as the bees need to be treated with bayvarol. >Vicky > > Article 13698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!fred.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey crop Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:34:17 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902336437 nnrp-07:17781 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13698 In article , Vicky Campbell writes >What do you do if you take off your supers and most of the frames still have >some uncapped honey in them? How much uncapped? 25% of the comb would be acceptable if the honey doesn't run out when the comb is held parallel to the ground and shaken. >Can you get honey to the right consistency by leaving it in ripening tanks >with muslin over it? If kept warm for a few days it may improve on it's present condition, but if the uncapped honey is very thin, I would extract that first (before uncapping the rest of the comb) and either make mead or feed it back to the bees. >I need to remove the supers as the bees need to be treated with bayvarol. >Vicky > I treat mine in September when they return from the heather moors. Hope this helps -- Tom S Article 13699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: estring6@aol.com (E String 6) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998080816225900.MAA24835@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Aug 1998 16:22:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13699 I have a simular situation, I boxed a swarm on july 10,.Didn't have proper equipment,just made a box ~ size. Question, what is the best method to transfer into frame box without loseing what they acompleced so far? Andy Kepert Thanks Article 13700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test for Varroa?? Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:46:50 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6pncbe$eqv$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af239.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13700 In article , Peter Ashley wrote: > Today I have just checked > >the daily mite fall as 100 per day on the worst hive!. By our MAFF chart > >on monitoring by this method it indicates approximately 3000 mites in > >the hive which means I should treat immediately. Could you give me an address so that I can get a MAff chart, please? Nick Article 13701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can $ be made in bee keeping?? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:55:01 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6q3ulb$2ub18@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13701 John Taylor wrote in message <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... >can you make any money in the bee/honey business?? jt > Someone once asked a lottery winner what hewould do with his winnings? "Well", he replied, " I think I'll keep bees until the money runs out!!" ;-) That said it is a very interesting hobby: The acreage which you have is immaterial, what is important is the amount of bee fodder within a raidus of 1.5 miles of your site. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 13702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news-xfer.epix.net!news1.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:46:48 -0700 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35CCC748.623@epix.net> References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd209-74-41ppp114.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13702 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Can bees swarm in August? This is northeast Penna. Bees frequently swarm late August, early September. It seems to be weather and honey flow related, not surprisingly. Last August, a swarm lit in a nearby tree, most probably from my beeyard. I have always ignored these late swarms but this time I put out a bait hive and captured it on 3l Aug. I moved it to an out yard and boxed it. 3 l/2 weeks later I moved it back to my yard and was amazed at the weight gain. I fed it in the Fall and it got through the Winter nicely. I would try it again. Burns Article 13703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: garet58@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tips for Moving Large 3 super Hive? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:34:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6qi993$2og$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.110.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 08 15:09:35 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13703 To all: I need to move a large, thriving colony of honeybees 300 miles to my new home. The colony is in three deep supers and until this week had 2 deeps on top of that with the honey crop. Having taken the crop supers off in anticipation of the move I now have a very crowded hive. Every evening the hive sports a very large "beard" of bees about 18 x 30" and six or seven bees deep. I am trying to figure out how to get them into the hive so that it can be secured for moving. Smoke seems to drive some of them in, but many more just fly around in circles and will remain behind. As the hive is in an urban environment with many neighbors close by I do not want to leave stray, angry bees. Any suggestions? Thanks, Garet Livermore Burlington, Vermont -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: garet58@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving crowded hive Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:34:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6qi994$2oh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.110.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 07 16:32:35 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13704 To all: Help! I am relocating from Vermont to Central New York State and need to move a single hive of bees. I've moved hives before, but the problem with this one is that it is a very crowded hive. They are in three deep supers, and in preparation for the move I've just taken off two more deep supers of honey for extraction. So there was a total of five deep supers on this healthy hive of bees. My main problem with moving it are the crowds of bees hanging out on the front of the hive and the entrance board. At this moment there is a mass of bees about 18" long by 8" wide and several layers deep on the front of the hive. This group of bees is there even at night, except when it gets very cool, which I cannot count on because I need to move the bees this weekend. So how do I get those bees to go into the hive so that it can be secured with screening and hive staples? When I've smoked bees like this some go in the hive while others just fly in the air and circle around. I'm reluctant to leave bees behind because they are in my backyard in a suburban neighborhood and would cause lots of trouble if I took their hive from them. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Garet Livermore Burlington, Vermont -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:42:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1998080723423675982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com> <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13705 The message <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> from pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) contains these words: > From: Marc Andelman > <> > I'm splicing in some bumblebee genes to make a bigger honeybee -- able to > carry a bigger load. and also to endow Varroa resistance? Therein lies the rub! Phil. Article 13706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: getting bees out of an old Cottonwood tree Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:27:48 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35ccb49e.68023978@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co56-113.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 08 3:36:12 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13706 Does anyone out there have the experience of removing hives from large trees? Someone called me with an old Cottonwood tree in the country which I found two rather active hives (or one REALLY huge one - as it spans about 10 feet from openings - one in a branch & the other directly in the trunk of the tree). The residents don't care what I do to the Cottonwood (which spans approx 7-8 ft in diameter @ the base) - though there's an 1800's shed below one of the large 'tree-size' limbs which they'd like to see survive. It looks like the entire tree is hollow. Branches which have broken off are hollow down to the ends. The one hive in the branch, I'll likely tie ropes to and lower the bulk of the branch slowly after sawing it from the trunk. If this succeeds, I'll move the whole branch to my property & find a way to place Apistan inside the hive - or menthol for the winter. Q.- For the 2n'd one in the trunk, I'm thinking of cutting a "window" close to their entrance & remove as much of the honey & bees as possible. Following this, I'll vacuum (bee-vacuum) the bees in crevices. I'll move them into a Langstroth hive which I'll leave attached to the tree close to the old entrance. This way, I'm expecting the remainder of the hive will move out & into my beehive (provided the queen is captured, or all the honey is removed). Anyone else have ideas of safe-capture for this type of hive? Thanks in advance, Matthew in Colorado Article 13707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tips for Moving Large 3 super Hive? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:39:33 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 30 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <6qi993$2og$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0034.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0034.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13707 Hi Garet -- This has worked very well for me: Use 2 extra sets of covers/bottoms and move each box individually, like so: Around dusk, take the 3 deeps apart, setting each of the two upper units on their own floor, and adding a cover to each. The floors can be plywood boards, inner covers or whatever, arranged with some sort of rim, to afford an entrance for each hive. WIth such a strong colony, it would be much safer to use screens as the covers. I.e., nail up a simple frame that sets atop each box and is covered with fly screen securely stapled on. Since the bees are really crowded, and the weather is hot, you might just as well make the frame supporting the top screen 3 or even 4 inches high. That will accomodate the large population and allow plenty of air movement. You can secure each screen-cover to the box with duct tape around the perimeter. After dark, smoke the bees into the entrances and screen them over. Load them up and away you go. Some cool water sprinkled on the top screens every hour or two will help the bees simmer down. Moving them in the dark will help keep settled and cool, but once transported, try not to confine them any longer than necessary. As soon as the bees are at their new location, set the boxes close to each other, and remove the entrance screens. Then, preferably within a day or two, just unite the 3 boxes back together. They aren't apt to fight at all. Somewhat of a compromise, I know, but it works, and reduces the hive to singles which you can easily carry alone. Article 13708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: garet58@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any Tips for Moving Large Hive? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 21:27:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6qifrc$9oh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.110.212 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 08 21:27:09 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13708 To all: I need to move a large, healthy hive of bees that are in three deep supers about 300 miles from Vermont to Central New York State. I've removed two additional deep supers as the honey crop for this year. At this time the bees (as you might imagine) are quite crowded and are congregating on the face of the hive in a large bee "beard" of about 15 x 30" and many bees deep. My main problem is in dealing with the bees on the face of the hive. It has been too warm for them to entirely into the hive at night and because the hive is in a built up urban area I don't want to leave a bunch of confused, angry bees behind. Any suggestions as to how to coax them into the hive or otherwise deal with them? Any suggestions would be appreciated. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> <35B3A402.2BF16C09@earthlink.net> <01bdb6a9$be57df40$95f135ce@spooky> <35B8F8C5.8AE95EF4@earthlink.net> <6pjer9$hu8$1@news.iquest.net> Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:46:40 -0400 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.103 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.103 Message-ID: <35ccd54f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.103 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13709 ok...let's have a taste test..your honey against mine..send to the below address..I will reciprocate..I won't tell you the "flavor" of my honey..and you do not tell me the flavor of yours!. deal? clover..sourwood...tupelo..orange blossom..whatever..put your honey where your mouth is.. Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Julie Wise wrote in message <6pjer9$hu8$1@news.iquest.net>... >Well I'd put our clover honey up against your sourwood, except I've never >had the pleasure of sourwood honey. I will however, put our Indiana sunsets >with thousands of lightning bugs hovering over the soy bean fields up >against your mountain sunrise (it's a matter of being happy with where you >are I think) > >Julie > >Don Israel wrote in message <35B8F8C5.8AE95EF4@earthlink.net>... >>Yes Julie there is something more beautiful than the sun shining through >>a jar of golden honey. The sun shing through a jar of golden or even >>pure sourwood honey at sunrise in the mountains of North Carolina. >> > > Article 13710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving crowded hive Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 23:01:56 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 45 Message-ID: <35ced61c.76598390@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <6qi994$2oh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co65-45.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 08 6:10:03 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13710 Perhaps this solution might seem obvious, but I'd replace those full supers with 'light' full-framed new supers. They all should re-enter the hive by dusk. Then I'd either move the hive in one fell-swoop (if you can move it - strapped together) - or- use a second bottom board & top & then re-unite the two portions following the move. If you split the hive, you'll have to move quickly to keep all the bees inside, as every one which escapes will be lost. As well, I'd use newspaper to re-unite the hive following the move (300 miles) to your new space to make sure there's no struggle between the hives (poking a few holes in a single sheet placed between the 2 hives). Matthew On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:34:59 GMT, garet58@my-dejanews.com wrote: >To all: > >Help! I am relocating from Vermont to Central New York State and need to >move a single hive of bees. I've moved hives before, but the problem with >this one is that it is a very crowded hive. They are in three deep supers, >and in preparation for the move I've just taken off two more deep supers of >honey for extraction. So there was a total of five deep supers on this >healthy hive of bees. My main problem with moving it are the crowds of bees >hanging out on the front of the hive and the entrance board. At this moment >there is a mass of bees about 18" long by 8" wide and several layers deep on >the front of the hive. This group of bees is there even at night, except when >it gets very cool, which I cannot count on because I need to move the bees >this weekend. So how do I get those bees to go into the hive so that it can >be secured with screening and hive staples? When I've smoked bees like this >some go in the hive while others just fly in the air and circle around. I'm >reluctant to leave bees behind because they are in my backyard in a suburban >neighborhood and would cause lots of trouble if I took their hive from them. > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > > >Garet Livermore >Burlington, Vermont > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 00:59:43 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35cce770.13791613@news.jps.net> References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.50 Lines: 85 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13711 On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:49:17 -0400, Marc Andelman wrote: >Can bees swarm in August? How can you tell swarming >behavior from mere mustering of the troops for a good >honey flow? Good Question from Marc, 1st swarming can take place anytime of the year that the bees are active and they become crowed with bees, honey, and/or pollen. In many areas the bees do swarm more then once and in some areas they do not swarm in the spring but will swarm later in the summer because of the timing of plants useful to bees. Beekeepers who move their bees from South to North many times increase the numbers of swarms and over the years most have developed methods to prevent this swarming. The most popular is by making divides with new queens. In some locations not necessarily the best for honey production such as coastal areas with warm days alternating with cool fogy days the bees will swarm out, that is they will keep swarming until nothing is left behind but a queen cell and a few hundred bees. These yards are excellent for making increase and if the bees are left alone and only the swarms caught many times the number of swarms caught will exceed the original number of hives. Some of these areas are notorious for NOT catching back mated queens because of the same weather conditions that may cause them to swarm. Careful examination of commercial bee hives in California finds queen cells present all season long. We think of these as supersedure cells but all outward appearances of the hives will be normal. No signs of a failing queen such as shot gun brood and the like. Most beekeepers do not cut this type of cell and for sure queens are being replace naturally all season long and some of these may swarm in the process if they become crowded with pollen and/or nectar. Most think of the swarming behaviors as being caused by crowding by bees and it may be, we also think that a queen must be present but in running queen banks of several hundred mated queens and young bees added every few days from hatching brood I have had these hives swarm without any queen in the swarm.. It is interesting and exciting, very exciting if you know the value $$ of 250 queens in a full bank, to see them take wing filling the air and heading out of town only to park in a big cluster on a tree limb 50 to 100 yards away. They usually rest there for up to an hour and then again take flight and return to the hive. I once had a bank hive that you could set your clock by as it would take off each afternoon about the same time and always returned. In time even an old drone can learn new tricks and all that was needed to stop this brazer and dangerous activity was to remove one or all of the gallon feed cans on these hives and cut the sugar with water so they will blow most of it out each night and not become so crowded. Old time beekeepers this area used to finish extracting and their bee work for the year and take of for a month of hunting in October - November. One year they all got back to find swarms hanging everywhere as they hit a unheard of late cotton flow and had removed all the supers so the bees blocked out and swarmed. They started up again and did not finish extracting until Thanksgiving turkey time. I once hit a crop of Golden Eye, a cool season wild sunflower, on the Mexican boarder a flow that only hits every 17 years or so and I never finished extracting but quit at Christmas as it was cold enough to make it an impossible job in an area that having heat in the honey house was never thought of, normally never needed, as the air temperature is normally warm enough to extract and pump honey as fast as you can extract it. We did well over 200 pounds per hive anyway and had hives wanting to swarm to the last day of the flow which in total was almost a year long and some of the different wild flowers bloomed three times that normally only bloom once. Beekeeping on the higher Snorian Desert is a different and as difficult beekeeping as can be found. Most beekeepers in the area never were able to take real advantage of this late flow as they had never experienced it before and by the time they figured it out their bees were so weak from swarming to do much. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Tromp loi Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Liquid sugar Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 19:12:02 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35C910F1.6088C3B7@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902369585 38BMS018M6557CDA2C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13712 I'm having a little problem getting a line on liquid sugar,,, can ya help? (The closer to Sacramento,,,or N. California, the better) Article 13713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998080715465500.LAA23599@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 15:46:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qekcr$n65$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13713 Bees do spend a great deal of their time resting and hanging around the hive. This is especially true of field bees since each bee is part of aspecific crop forage group and flowers only have nectar for specific periods during the day, the bees "know" when this is and do not visit the crop at other times. This a is a very important bit of knowledge for a beekeeper in the pollination business. There is nothing worse than standing by a crop with the farmer and there are no bee working his/her crop. You need to know when the crop has nectar up in the flowers and be able to educate and show the farmer. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Date: 9 Aug 1998 08:39:47 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6qjn8j$sq4@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <1998080801155600.VAA09831@ladder03.news.aol.com> <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13714 In a previous article, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) says: >> I'm splicing in some bumblebee genes to make a bigger honeybee -- able to >>carry a bigger load. >> Then I'll splice in some genes from a firefly -- so the bee can work at >>night....... >Then a few genes from the waxmoth so they uncap the honey for me. Bite your tongue! -- Article 13715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!fred.demon.co.uk!iris From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test for Varroa?? Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:42:52 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6pncbe$eqv$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: Tom Speight NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902662855 nnrp-01:1805 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <21uDM5N6bilcqZuZXLs24txTwy> Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13715 In article , Nick Cooke writes >Could you give me an address so that I can get a MAff chart, please? Join your local association and you will be sent one free by the BBKA -- Tom S Article 13716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: OPEN UNI1 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Date: 9 Aug 1998 15:05:39 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 41 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6qkds3$gjh$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> References: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc29.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13716 >Your biggest problem is to keep your operation from expanding. Your bees will >grow and their natural desire is to reproduce (swarm). You should find a locate >beekeeper that wants to expand and trade/sell them your excess frames of brood >in early Spring. this will give you some income and help keep your bees from >swarming. >If you started the year with nucs and someone has been stung already, >things could be far worse next summer when the colonies move to full >strength. I would strongly advise that you find a bail out apiary >during the winter so if the worse does happen you can move them swiflty >out of harms way. I ran 3 hives without incident for two seasons in a >similar site, this year despite doing everything by the book, one colony >turned nasty and started picking off neighbours with a vengance. I had >to move them out pronto, but trying to organise and move on speck is >very stressfull. It is better to have a plan set up before hand. Besides >I would bet good money that by the end of next season you'll be wanting >more hives and sites for out-apiaries are really not that difficult to >find. <> Hi all, Thanks for the advice, I particularly note (as I've snipped above), that two of you suggest that I may have trouble with expansion next season, thanks for the warning. I now have both hives with brood chambers full to burst and was thinking about going on to brood and a half, but apprieciate that it would be more sense and good management to keep the colonies small in an urban situation. Finally I forgot to ask about the queen excluder, should I remove it once I have taken the few frames of honey off, and if so should I keep a carefull eye on things next Spring and replace it before the queen starts migrating upwards to lay eggs in the super. Many thanks for your advice, Paul. Article 13717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: 7 Aug 1998 10:28:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13717 In article <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: >So what's the real story? Is this a viable practice, or is it asking for >trouble? Is the story the same for Apistan/Varroa as for menthol/Tracheal >Mites? If one uses Apistan and one changes the labeled application rate, one is possibly NOT treating all the mites. You "do the math". Treacheal mites usually are dealt with easily by using grease patties, or tolerant strains of bees, or both and the honey removal issue isn't a problem. There are lots of interpretations to Varroa mite control utilizing Apistan. The best one is to score the strips to allow more of the active ingredient to emerge, thus killing more mites. Since there is not much research funding available for varroa control, this area of honey bee management remains a mystery. But isn't that why you like bees anyway? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any Tips for Moving Large Hive? Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:08:48 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 21 Message-ID: <35CE6440.3F1B@kingston.net> References: <6qifrc$9oh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.47.80.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902707769 VRL06/YYI5033CE2FC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13718 garet58@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > To all: I need to move a large, healthy hive of bees that are in three deep > supers about 300 miles from Vermont to Central New York State. I've removed > two additional deep supers as the honey crop for this year. At this time the > bees (as you might imagine) are quite crowded and are congregating on the > face of the hive in a large bee "beard" of about 15 x 30" and many bees deep. > My main problem is in dealing with the bees on the face of the hive. It has > been too warm for them to entirely into the hive at night and because the > hive is in a built up urban area I don't want to leave a bunch of confused, > angry bees behind. Any suggestions as to how to coax them into the hive or > otherwise deal with them? Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Spray some water on the bees at the entrance. Make sure you give them plenty of ventilation. I'm not sure where your located but you might want to consider splitting the hive. -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 13719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fire Ants in California Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:43:02 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35ca2186.9332816@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.21 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.21 Lines: 55 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13719 Ant Invasion Fresno Thursday, August 06,1998 - 11:06 AM ET (KJEO) State officials say vicious fire ants from Texas have invaded almond orchards in Kern and Fresno counties. State biologist Aurelio Posadas says 47 colonies have been spotted. He says the ants are capable of killing calves and other small animals. Scientists believe the insects came to California as hitchhikers inside beehives shipped by a Texas beekeeper. Texas bees are used by almond growers to pollinate the blossoms on their trees. State officials say the invaded areas have been quarantined and they will use insecticides to kill the ants. Added by the OLd Drone MORE from the past. This invasion of "fire" ants is not new as the ants were found in the Kern county almond orchard in Feb 1998 and this report must be considered as an admission on the part of agricultural officials of their FAILURE to control a limited invasion of Fire Ants. Other Fire ants have been discovered by beekeepers in other more northern areas of California and were destroyed by those who found them without involving the regulatory officials. It is also a fact that California has other so called "Fire" ants that are common but poise no real threat to man or crops and are not involved in any eradication efforts other then to see em then you kill em.. California Boarder Inspection stations are expected to make a closer inspection of bees coming into California this fall and winter and beekeepers should expect delays and even turn around's if "fire" ants are discovered. These fire ants like to build mounds that will include the bottom rungs of the pallets the bees are set on and can if the beekeeper is not aware of the ants be loaded on the truck with the bees. ttul, the OLd Drone For up to date news from bee keepers & about bee keeping go to: http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:42:30 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35dcc6b2.7725227@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6plu1n$onf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998072911012500.HAA22428@ladder01.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-228.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 41 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-228.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13720 On 29 Jul 1998 11:01:25 GMT, hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) wrote: >I think your problems are more directly related to your areas honey flow. Your >field bees having very little to gather creates an over abunadant amount of >bees staying at the hive. If all these bees were to stay within the hive at >your current areas temps. Then you would have an overheating problem. To curb >this the bees hang out on the front porch - as it were. > After reading this about 'washboarding', I spent some time sitting in front of my hive, watching the 'goings on'. I have read in several books, that the image of the 'busy bee' is a fallacy, as at any one time most, or at least, many, of the bees are actually doing nothing. Through observation only, it looks to me as though the bees on the 'landing strip' are simply 'gossiping', in the original meaning of the word, which comes from 'go sup'. That is to say, they are passing food around, and 'communicating', chatting, if you like (passing 'queen substance', and whatever other chemical messengers they use). Some seem to be acting as 'auxiliary guards', while others are simply resting. I don't think (in my case) it is due to a lack of 'work'for them to do, as there is plenty of pollen and nectar coming in, and even if there wasn't, surely 'spare' workers would be out looking for new sources? also, there is plentyof room, and plenty of work to be done inside, as they have a super of 10 frames of undrawn foundation (which is being built up very rapidly, but would be more rapid if they all got stuck in!). Maybe if I stick another (undrawn) super on top, they may go inside to draw it out? I believe they are behaving in the same manner as council workers (1), that is, two or three do the work, while the others just stand around looking into the hole, and drinking cups of tea. Of course, this is only assumptions from observation, I have no evidence, and may be anthropomorhising to some extent, but comparing species can sometimes help to give us insight into another species behaviour. Whatever the reason, it doesn't look as though it is anything to worry about, in fact, apart from the comment above, about little to forage for, and therefore the risk of starvation (because there are 'too many' bees), it can be taken as a sign of a good strong colony. (1) No offense intended, I just used a stereotype, because it's quicker to iullustrate a point! I actually know some very industrious and hard-working council workers! Article 13721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs Date: 7 Aug 1998 10:20:11 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6qekcr$n65$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <35C92D0B.441C@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13721 In article <35C92D0B.441C@kingston.net>, Kent Stienburg wrote: > I don't really want to remove any more bees from my other >two hives. Or do you think there is time for the colony to build up on >its own? If worst came to worst you could always overwinter this small colony over another stronger one by using a division screen. This works well. Give them a rear entrance. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: PAUL WAITES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Date: 7 Aug 1998 10:27:09 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 52 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc153.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13722 Hi All, I have just completed my first full year beekeeping, my two hives have swelled to four by the arrival of swarms and am now seeking the advice of the experts on where to go next. My hives are in the back garden in an urban environment. (I am in York UK by the way). Thus far they have been little trouble, only one innocent person getting stung when gardening near one of their flight paths, however four hives will definitely be too great for my space so will unite the two swarms soon. My questions are: 1) The swarms have the old queen from the colony they swarmed from. My hives will have queens of at least a year old. Is it good policy to re-queen next Spring. If so what time? Also my prime objective is that I keep bees not maximise honey crop. (I am a keen amateur entomologist). Also in a urban situation aggressive bees would not be good from a public relations standpoint. Is there a supplier of strains of bees like this in the UK. (I do realise that for most of you honey is your prime goal so I suppose breaders will not go for quiet non swarming queens). 2) On a similar thread: People have written of colonies becoming queenless and allowing the bees to raise another! I don't understand this. Surely an old queen that dies or becomes a drone layer results in the slow breakup of the colony. There will be no more fertilised larvae to be raised as a queen. Could someone explain this. 3) Finally I have not got much honey from my two main hives but there will be at most half a dozen super frames of capped honey. I would like to get this off if I can, just for my own satisfaction to say that I have achieved my own honey production, plus I can give some to the neighbours to keep them sweet :-) As it is my first year I've not invested in an extractor, can the honey be extracted from the frames without one. If so what is the best method? (If this works then Father Christmas could get a letter asking for an extractor for Christmas). When I have got my hives sorted out I will write about the best method of varroa control, but will do that when I've figured out the varroa calculator that the BBKA have just sent me. Many thanks for any advice. Paul. Article 13723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Thick as Smoke Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:42:49 -0700 Organization: Not Applicable Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp29.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 902716799 29471 207.49.162.172 (10 Aug 1998 02:39:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1998 02:39:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13723 This is just to report that here today, Southern California, 8.8.98, the bees are just as thick as smoke out of my two top bar hives. The weather has been hot, and the bees have been happy. Article 13724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "ERIC A REED" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic Hive Inner Covers Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:09:20 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6qlp6a$8r06$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port121.lake.prodigy.net X-Post-Time: 10 Aug 1998 03:24:58 GMT X-Auth-User: 002149703/d1e92331149c7510 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13724 Anybody ever witnessed this or know why it is happening? After repairing and replacing wooden hive stands, bottom boards, hive bodies, inner covers, and covers many times, I figured I would give a plastic hive cover and inner cover a try to cut down on some of my repair work. I ordered one each to see how they would hold up. Unlike wooden inner covers, I notice the bees do not walk or accumulate on it. I can pop it off and there will be 2 or 3 bees or none on the inside surface. They do not build any wax on the underside, but after a few months the bees deposited propolis on the inside edges to seal it to the top super. I prop my covers with a small piece of wood about 1/4" up in the front for ventilation. I noticed the bees do not come up and reside on the underside of the plastic cover either.....like they have always done on the wooden ones. I just was pulling supers and went to use the plastic inner cover beneath the supers with a bee escape to evacuate the bees. This typically takes a few days and is a pain, but minimizes the loss of bees that do not get evacuated from the supers using just smoke. It also keeps bees out of my basement where I extract. Once I started to put the supers back on top of the plastic inner cover with the bee escape, the bees started pouring out of the supers like I just used a fume board with Bee Go on it. My bees clearly do not want anything to do with these plastic hive accessories. I also noticed that a good chunk of the population was outside the hive the next day. This hive was overcrowded to begin with and the problem went away when I switched the plastic inner cover for a wooden one and put on an Illinois super beneath it. The best guess I can make is that the plastic has non-lethal residual petroleum byproducts in it used during manufacturing. The bees can smell them and do not like them. Just a guess. Thanks, Eric Article 13726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: water lilly honey Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 08:09:58 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6qmtgf$gmt$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d181.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 10 Aug 1998 13:44:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13726 Has anyone ever made water lilly honey? There is a good patch of them nearby, and I wonder if I should move my bees to get some. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jkxray@aol.com (Jkxray) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Crystallized Honey Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998081018441800.OAA05625@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1998 18:44:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13727 I have several supers of honey which have crystallized in the comb. In the past I have been able to extract such with my radial extractor, but not this time. Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations/experience, other than giving it back to the bees, on how to recover, i.e. extract such crystallised honey without ruining the comb? Article 13728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:29:41 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 21 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> <35cce770.13791613@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0051.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0051.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13728 (NY) Suddenly hearing of quite a few swarms around, since the weekend. Something has flipped the switch, & the late nectar sources are coming into blossom now. Swarms were rare back in the Spring, so perhaps they are making up for it now! One colony I went to see today (in a house roof) cast a good-sized swarm this morning, and had swarmed back in May as well. The past few days we've also have had many swarm-scouts showing up, frantically scoping the stacks of unoccupied equipment. There was no interest all summer, up to now. One empty hive had a few scouts stay overnight last night (squatter's rights?), but no swarm has yet arrived. There may be more than one colony interested in the particular hive, since along with lots of horseshoe running patterns they are definitely showing agression toward some of the other scouts. Will have to wait and see if anything becomes of all the activity. regards to all, JWG Article 13729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: water lilly honey Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:44:16 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6qnbk2$cqh8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <6qmtgf$gmt$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-14.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 10 Aug 1998 17:45:38 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/9a7e16e28df076f3 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13729 Always have found it quite worthwhile, as the nectar source does not seem to "dry" up. BG) Marc Andelman wrote in message <6qmtgf$gmt$1@ligarius.ultra.net>... >Has anyone ever made water lilly honey? There is a good patch of them >nearby, and I wonder if I should move my bees to get some. > >Regards, >Marc Andelman > > Article 13730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kentucky Fall Honey Flow Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1998081104260800.AAA06670@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1998 04:26:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35cf7435.0@news.realnews.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13730 From: "Richard D. Hackworth" <> Late August through Sept, ending with the first hard frost. My observations through the NE and SE indicate that goldenrod/aster are often present and blooming profusely on sweet soils, but tend not to yield much. If you are in the limestone belt, they probably won't be very good. If you are in the shale belt, you probably will get better yields. Here in SC the goldenrod yields quite well in some areas, others are almost zilch. The little white asters yield much more than the blue ones, but the honey sets up in the comb very fast. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!elric From: elric@real.com.au (Elric of Melnibone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Household Cyclopedia Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:14:51 +1000 Organization: Realnet Access customer Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.25.56.8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Cache-Post-Path: mercury.real.net.au!unknown@syd-pm1-16.real.net.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13731 I'm currently transcribing a book, published 1881, called The Household Cyclopedia, to the web. Some of you may be interested to peruse the Bee-Keeping section of the Rural and Domestic Economy chapter, for a look at apiculture circa: 1881. http://members.xoom.com/mspong/ Quote: "As the object of all study, and the end of all wisdom, is practical utility, so a collection, of the most approved Receipts, in all the arts of Domestic and Social Life, may be considered as a volume containing nearly the whole of the wisdom of man, worthy of preservation. In truth, the present volume has been compiled under the feeling, that if all other books of Science in the world were destroyed, this single volume would be found to embody the results of the useful experience, observations, and discoveries of mankind during the past ages of the world." -- /- -\ Matthew Spong __/-----\__ "Brain damage may spark creative talent." (Reuters) /( )^( )\ +61 2 9660 1920 /\ l /\ Sydney Australia (( \___/ )) \#/ http://members.tripod.com/~MSpong/ Article 13732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Crystallized Honey Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:08:16 +0100 Organization: Nortel Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35D03430.1B1634C1@nortel.com> References: <1998081018441800.OAA05625@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13732 Without ruining the comb I don't think there is a sure way of extracting your crystalised honey. You could try very gentle warming over a long period, you'll need to check what temperature wax melts and keep 10 or more degrees lower. When / if the honey liquefies let the comb cool down again before atempting to extract. Jkxray wrote: > > I have several supers of honey which have crystallized in the comb. In the > past I have been able to extract such with my radial extractor, but not this > time. Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations/experience, other than > giving it back to the bees, on how to recover, i.e. extract such crystallised > honey without ruining the comb? -- I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All opinions expressed or implied are mine and not my employers. Work Address: ask01_delete_this@nortel.com Home Address: beeman_delete_this@enterprise.net Article 13733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: US Honey Tax Changes Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 03:52:26 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35c8d517.47574402@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.51 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.51 Lines: 58 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13733 AMS News Release Release No. AMS-211-98 Carol Blake (202) 720-8998 cblake@usda.gov Billy Cox (202) 720-8998 Billy_A_Cox@usda.gov USDA SEEKS PROPOSALS FOR AMENDING HONEY PROMOTION PROGRAM WASHINGTON, July 31, 1998--The U.S. Department of Agriculture is seeking proposals for amendments to the Honey Research, Promotion, and Consumer Information Order. The order is a set of regulations which govern the honey research and promotion program. Amendments to the order are needed as a result of recent changes to the act authorizing the program. Dr. Enrique E. Figueroa, administrator of USDA's Agricultural Marketing Service, a marketing and regulatory agency, said any person affected by the honey program may submit proposals to implement one or more of the amendments to the act. The act was amended on June 23 to: require the National Honey Board to reserve 8 percent of its funds annually for beekeeping and production research; authorize the board to conduct projects -- including developing recommendations for purity standards and a quality assurance regulatory program -- to enhance the image of honey and honey products; add the requirement that 50 percent of the board members be domestic producers; double handler representation on the board by adding two handler members who are also importers; change nomination procedures and eligibility requirements for importers; eliminate the public member position on the board; decrease the producer assessment from 1 cent per pound to 0.75 cents per pound; add an assessment of 0.75 cents per pound on handlers; increase the assessment from 1 cent per pound to 1.5 cents per pound on imports; and change voting requirements for referenda. Once the proposals are received, they will be published in the Federal Register for public comment. Honey producers, handlers, and importers will then vote in a national referendum on whether the amendments should be incorporated into the order. If the amendments are not approved, the assessment would remain at the current rate of 1 cent per pound on both domestic and imported honey. Proposals should include detailed provisions with an explanation of the purpose of each provision. Cross-referenced provisions should refer to the caption or number of the referenced provision. Additional suggestions to further the implementation of the amendments may be sent with the proposals or separately. Proposals and suggestions must be received by Sept. 30. Send them in triplicate to the Research and Promotion Branch, Fruit and Vegetable Programs, AMS, USDA, 1400 Independence Ave., SW, Room 2535-South, Stop 0244, Washington, D.C. 20250-0244, tel. (202) 720-9915, fax (202) 205-2800. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: a_massari@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee - varroa mite Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:53:28 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6qdc58$15a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.216.66.20 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 06 22:53:28 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13734 There is someone that knows some natural methods for the varroa mite whitout use any chemical product? Please send me suggestion about. Thanks. Antonio M. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!reigate.demon.co.uk!petera From: Peter Ashley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test for Varroa?? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:20:38 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6pncbe$eqv$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902859722 nnrp-02:20743 NO-IDENT reigate.demon.co.uk:193.237.58.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 <3dng7$sfZ7uO8Kaf+k8pZR7a1u> Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13735 In article , Tom Speight writes >In article , Nick Cooke > writes >>Could you give me an address so that I can get a MAff chart, please? >Join your local association and you will be sent one free by the BBKA Further to my comments I agree with Tom - BBKA should give you details of your local Association, or alternatively your local Library should have details of the Secretary of your local association. Sometimes the Local Authority will have details of Beekeepers as the Environmental Health Officers keep lists of Beekeepers for the collection of Swarms. Hope this helps. What is the situation in other countries? Pete. -- Peter Ashley Article 13736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in Broomfield, CO Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:44:36 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6qqhgk$19t$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13736 A colleague of mine has a colony of honeybees in Broomfield, CO (between Boulder and Denver) living in a masonry wall. They have3 determined that they would like to have them removed since the flight path crosses frequently used walkways and there have been a few stinging incidents. I have recommended that he find a local hobbyist beekeeper, and have that person set up a bee escape over the entrance with a catcher hive nearby. Given a few weeks to a month, the bees will establish themselves in the catcher hive and the escape can be removed so that they can then rob out the original location. If anyone is interested in doing this, please send me an e-mail. Dave T. -- Article 13737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.BSDI.COM!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: US Tax: Woodenware depreciation Date: 11 Aug 1998 23:39:31 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6qqknj$hfl@ednet2.orednet.org> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13737 If any of you do your own US taxes, can you advise what the customary depreciation period is on wooden ware? Or do most folks expense the hives in the year they are acquired. If there is a specific IRS reference (which I've not located) that would be helpful. TYIA -- Article 13738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Tax: Woodenware depreciation Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998081212113200.IAA24381@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1998 12:11:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qqknj$hfl@ednet2.orednet.org> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13738 >f any of you do your own US taxes, can you advise what the customary >depreciation period is on wooden ware? Or do most folks expense the hives >in the year they are acquired. hahahahaaa now thats the funniest joke i've seen on this news group yet. how about a insurance company that covers loses due to mites, beetles, wax worms and dry weather years. hell north carolina farm bureau wont even cover my wooden ware, what makes ya think the irs would even notice it. looks more like a quick way to get audited if ya ask me Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Tax: Woodenware depreciation Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:37:57 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 36 Message-ID: <35D1B6D5.B2223FDF@mediaone.net> References: <6qqknj$hfl@ednet2.orednet.org> Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13739 Richard Yarnell wrote: > If any of you do your own US taxes, can you advise what the customary > depreciation period is on wooden ware? Or do most folks expense the > hives > in the year they are acquired. We have an accountant who does our taxes now, but for years we did them ourselves. Both then and now we fully expense wooden ware in the year they are acquired. I know that it can be done legally either way--though I believe you have to do it the *same* way consistantly. We decided that it would be a PIA to carry depreciations on wooden ware forward for five or ten years since we always have an annual expense for wooden ware. The things we have chosen to depreciate are the things that we (hopefully) buy/build once or infrequently--like the honey house, vehicles, extracting and bottling equipment, etc. > If there is a specific IRS reference (which I've not located) that > would > be helpful. Are you a Schedule C business? partnership? corporation? Regardless, while we felt perfectly capable to do our own taxes for years, the best thing we ever did was hire an accountant. The first year we hired her, she found an error on our previous year's return (in the IRS favor) that netted us $700. Paid for her services for two years. Now we don't have to keep up on the changes in tax law that affect us--she does that. We just keep good records and the supporting receipts/documents etc.--which we've always done, and tax filing time is alot less stressful (except the part when we write the check). If you have lots of time and (heaven forbid) *enjoy* researching tax rules, you'd probably still do well to hire an accountant for one year just to see what other ways he or she may know of for you to keep more of your money. Kathy Article 13740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!131.96.1.11.MISMATCH!tattler!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35D1AD70.773119F7@gsu.edu> From: "James D. Satterfield" Reply-To: jsatt@gsu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive References: <6qqmhh$le2@chronicle.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:57:53 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.150.73 X-Trace: tattler 902933873 131.96.150.73 (Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:57:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:57:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13740 serttr@concentric.net wrote: > This is my first time posting to this list. I am a first time beekeeper. I > am looking for plans to build an observation hive. Does anyone know where I > can find some plans? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm > > Article 13741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Bill McLain Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Tax: Woodenware depreciation Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:59:11 -0500 Organization: Alltel Lines: 23 Message-ID: <404BCCB41D09E3C8.0BFB7F612341C798.9A59EE8C344F8B3F@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <35D1C9DF.7ECD2DB4@dhc.net> References: <6qqknj$hfl@ednet2.orednet.org> Reply-To: bmclain@dhc.net Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at dhc.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: librarytest.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Aug 12 12:05:05 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: cSqgr+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Richard Yarnell Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13741 I do not know the life expectency of wooden hives. But... The hives should be depreciated on life expectency. If you expect to have the hives for 5 years, they 1/5th is deductible this year. Of course the maintenance to keep the hives productive is also deductible. Unfortunately, unless you pay yourself an hourly rate against the company, your labor is not deductible. Paying yourself allows you to take the deduction, but opens another can of worms. Richard Yarnell wrote: > If any of you do your own US taxes, can you advise what the customary > depreciation period is on wooden ware? Or do most folks expense the hives > in the year they are acquired. > > If there is a specific IRS reference (which I've not located) that would > be helpful. > > TYIA > -- Article 13742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Selling honey retail Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:10:11 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35D1BE63.61FE@ix.netcom.com> References: <35BA58A5.F250F2AA@sprynet.com> <35CC53C3.3E44A5BE@sprint.ca> Reply-To: mrussel1@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: btr-la2-01.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Aug 12 12:13:47 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) To: weehawk@sprynet.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13742 > > weehawk@sprynet.com wrote: > > > This is my second season keeping bees in southern Louisiana, and this > > year I definitely have a surplus of honey. I was considering > > approaching a retailer, such as a grocery or health food store, and > > offering local honey for sale. In Louisiana, you need a Health Department approved honey house (read many thousands of dollars) to sell honey in store or road-side stands unless it is on your property. Even though you can make all the jelly you want in your kitchen and sell in stores, you can't extract honey in your kitchen to sell at off-site locations. You CAN sell your honey at your home, though, without having an approved honey house. Just put up signs on the roadway, and place an ad in the local paper. Article 13743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Tax: Woodenware depreciation Date: 12 Aug 1998 20:28:35 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01bdc62f$beece280$0562400c@default> References: <6qqknj$hfl@ednet2.orednet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13743 Sorry I can't advise you of the period or whether the IRS even considers woodenware to be a depreciable asset (as opposed to a business expense). For depreciable assets you can either depreciate over the asset life (as determined by the IRS) or you can take a Section 179 deduction for the entire expense in the year capital equipment is aquired up to an annual limit of $20,000 (I think, the amount is subject to change). You will still need to know the depreciable life of the asset since you will need to recapture some of the depreciation if the asset is retired or disposed of before its depreciable life is over. In other words, the IRS will expect you to give them back the difference of what you deducted up front vs what would have been normally depreciated over the assets life. --- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Richard Yarnell wrote in article <6qqknj$hfl@ednet2.orednet.org>... > > If any of you do your own US taxes, can you advise what the customary > depreciation period is on wooden ware? Or do most folks expense the hives > in the year they are acquired. > > If there is a specific IRS reference (which I've not located) that would > be helpful. > > TYIA > -- > > Article 13744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: worms in comb & yellow-topped workers -disease? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:08:50 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 34 Message-ID: <35d42ce1.171982495@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co60-108.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Aug 12 9:07:41 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13744 Hi all, Here's one I bet most beekeepers don't come across everyday: I just pulled two hives from inside buildings today and both had a few clear-white, 1/2" skinny, live, worms. They had brown dots @ each end and were moving through the honey. Any idea? The 2'nd hive had about 5-10 of the workers with a solid yellow color (fungus?) on the top of their head & thorax - looked sort of like a pollen christmas tree. Both hives are approx. 5 miles from each other in Colorado. I pulled about 400 lbs of honey from the two hives together, but will wait to feed any to my other hives if someone thinks either indication might be disease. The first hive had 90% of their population killed off by something (likely water - as we had 2 weeks of solid rain, and the bottom half of the hive was sopping wet) - smelled TERRIBLE with dead rotting bees flooding the bottom of the hive! Almost no brood found, but mites were found 3 or 4 to a cell on the few remaining. Because of the smell from the bottom of the hive, I'm hesitant to eat any of the remaining honey, though it was capped very nicely in very large rectangular comb. AND the second hive had approx 200 lbs - ALL crystalized honey....looked old.old.old. What a mess. Makes me want to quit trying to save feral bees. Article 13745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.ca.nortel.com!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!news From: Sharon Gibbs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in Devon - UK Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:56:58 +0100 Organization: Nortel Lines: 35 Message-ID: <35CEB5DA.83F1BF3B@bottom.of.post> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncldm395.europe.nortel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13745 Are there any beekeepers in North Devon, UK who would be prepared to coach a novice beekeeper? All advice welcome. A neighbour, an established beekeeper has suffered an anaphylactic (Spelling?) shock as a result of a couple of stings and has been advised to re-home her bees. I was delighted when they were offered my way, but am anxious to understand the bees and be able to work with them effectively as soon as possible. I have no immediate desire to harvest any product. Just keeping them well for the time being will be sufficient. Many Thanks...Sharon -- Reply email address is sharon dot gibbs at nortel dot com The views expresed above do not respresent those of my employer. Article 13746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone.swbell.net!news.pbi.net!not-for-mail From: "Reply to Group" <.@.org> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: --HELP NEEDED!..who handles bee problems in L.A. Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:16:48 -0700 Organization: . Lines: 48 Message-ID: <6qtm38$oce$1@nnrp1.snfc21.pbi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207-214-184-193.psdn11.pacbell.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13746 We noted on this page: http://hammock.ifas.ufl.edu/txt/fairs/866 "....and to begin reporting wild swarms/nests to police and fire department offices. In addition, information on what provokes defensive behavior and how to minimize the effects of stinging incidences should be disseminated. All established feral bee nests near urban areas should be summarily destroyed by pest control operators, police and/or fire departments and beekeepers. Yeah RIGHT ! ... read on ------------------------------------------------------- We have a swarm and a nest of hornets/bees, in an urban area of Los Angeles County, furthermore people have been bitten and young children on the property and in the neighborhood are at risk. We *HAVE* contacted the local police, local and county animal control, and no agency seems to be equipted to handle the problem when we call it in. You think they would at least send someone to evaluate the risk to public safety (...yup maybe a little to risky to send officials to look at those swarming things...and after all they can't shoot 'em or beat 'em with a club) Perhaps they only can only take folks to the hospital after they have been bitten. Wonder what will happen when these agressive african bees become more prominant in Los Angeles? Any advice for a John Q. Citizen who needs to remove this honycomb thing and the mass of hornets off his property without getting bitten again. Mr. OUCH that SMARTS Los Angeles (Yeah ...I know, only in California) Reply to the group .....junk e-mail foiling address in use Article 13748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Hive Inner Covers Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:33:43 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6qmit9$smh$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <6qlp6a$8r06$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port5.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13748 "ERIC A REED" wrote: Once I started to put the supers back on top >of the plastic inner cover with the bee escape, the bees started pouring out >of the supers like I just used a fume board with Bee Go on it. My bees >clearly do not want anything to do with these plastic hive accessories. I >also noticed that a good chunk of the population was outside the hive the >next day. This hive was overcrowded to begin with and the problem went away >when I switched the plastic inner cover for a wooden one and put on an >Illinois super beneath it. The best guess I can make is that the plastic >has non-lethal residual petroleum byproducts in it used during >manufacturing. The bees can smell them and do not like them. Just a guess. If god wanted bees to live in plastic he would have made plastic trees. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 13749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee - varroa mite Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:58:14 +0100 Organization: Nortel Lines: 28 Message-ID: <35CEE056.8E460FF5@nortel.com> References: <6qdc58$15a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6qf3vm$4aju$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13749 Not quite. Most people using the 'drone brood' technique use a brood frame diveided into three vertical sections and destroy a section every 7 to 10 days leaving about 1 inch of comb in the section. The bees will re-draw the drone comb in the period between section removel. A whole brood frame would take too much out of the hive. Zadigvolta wrote: > > Some beekeepers in Europe are using one "all drone cell frame" in each hive, > replacing it on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. They check for varroa by > opening up drone cells within the hive, observing the number of varroa on > the drone pupae which may indicate the level of the infestation. > Apparently, the mites prefer drone cells. > a_massari@my-dejanews.com wrote in message > <6qdc58$15a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > >There is someone that knows some natural methods for the varroa mite > >whitout use any chemical product? > >Please send me suggestion about. Thanks. > >Antonio M. > > > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum -- I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All opinions expressed or implied are mine and not my employers. Work Address: ask01_delete_this@nortel.com Home Address: beeman_delete_this@enterprise.net Article 13750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-nyc.telia.net!ubnnews.unisource.ch!not-for-mail From: "Eric Engelhard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:18:08 -0700 Organization: Unisource Business Networks Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6qu1ag$b8p$1@ubnnews.unisource.ch> References: <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: du2.paus.ch X-Trace: ubnnews.unisource.ch 902989968 11545 (None) 194.209.60.98 X-Complaints-To: news@ubnnews.unisource.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13750 Marc Andelman wrote in message <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com>... >Would bee keepers be receptive to genetically >engineered bees ? > >Regards, >Marc Andelman Hi Marc, You have asked an interesting question and, unfortunately, have not received any serious answers. Could you be more specific? What traits are you talking about? What kind of mechanism for engineering? You will always find some people with strong negative opinions on this subject. Hollywood has made genetic engineering the "Frankenstein's Monster" of the 90s. Many people truly believe that genetic engineering of food crops and animals is on par with the proliferation of nuclear or chemical weapons. There is a lot of inertia in that direction. Alternatively, there are many medical and agricultural issues that are ideally addressed with genetic engineering techniques. The proliferation of gentically engineered vaccines, medicines, and diagnostic tools is happening right now. Engineered bacteria and yeast are busy fermenting many useful small molecules. The introduction of insecticidal proteins (Bt toxins) and herbicide resistant enzymes into food and fiber crops is rapidly taking over market share. Genetically engineered agricultural animals is certainly an item for the near future. Personally, I find many arguments against genetic engineering are bogus. As you look around, you may find that anti-technologists use the phrase "unknown health/environmental threats" in place of "no identified health/environmental threats". The distinction, and bias, is clear. One opposing argument that I am sympathetic to, is the rapid erosion of genetic diversity in agriculture. This had been happening long before the introduction of engineering, but will mostly likely accelerate with the introduction of "value added" seed. The goal of every product produced is to capture as much market share as possible. Engineered foods require even greater investment, and therefore, justify even stronger efforts to dominate individual markets. The recent partnership/acquisition of every major seed company with/by the largest agchem firms, and the enormous investments made, are telling. So let's return to bees! Anyone have any serious comments? Eric Engelhard Article 13751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!news1.bellglobal.com!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test for Varroa?? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:57:28 +0100 Organization: Nortel Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35D29C68.F638C842@nortel.com> References: <6pncbe$eqv$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13751 BBKA web site has contact details for all member associations at: http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/member.htm Peter Ashley wrote: > > In article , Tom Speight > writes > >In article , Nick Cooke > > writes > >>Could you give me an address so that I can get a MAff chart, please? > >Join your local association and you will be sent one free by the BBKA > Further to my comments I agree with Tom - BBKA should give you details > of your local Association, or alternatively your local Library should > have details of the Secretary of your local association. Sometimes the > Local Authority will have details of Beekeepers as the Environmental > Health Officers keep lists of Beekeepers for the collection of Swarms. > Hope this helps. > What is the situation in other countries? > Pete. > -- > Peter Ashley -- I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All opinions expressed or implied are mine and not my employers. Work Address: ask01_delete_this@nortel.com Home Address: beeman_delete_this@enterprise.net Article 13752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:32:37 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 22 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> <35cce770.13791613@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0055.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntpX.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0055.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13752 Very nice swarm showed up 2 days after my post about the scouts snooping around. That morning I noted a marked lack of scout activity, & so figured they had given up and gone elsewhere, or that someone had hived the swarm, wherever it was. But then, around 11:00 AM I was heading out for a walk with me dog, and suddenly I could hear that familiar drone of a swarm in the air. Looking up, I saw a couple bees, then several, flying in random directions, then within seconds there were dozens, and at last a huge dispersed cloud of bees started coming over the house. Dog and I stepped back to watch, and sure enough they slowly made their way toward the hive of interest. The swarm looks to be 6 or 7 pounds, at least, and they have wasted no time getting down to work with the comb-building. Within a day there was a substantial pile of garbage on the ground below their entrance, from their tidying up of brittle black comb & what was left of some mouse nests in there. I'd seen lots of swarms *leave before, and even a few which were already in the process of entering a bait hive, but this was the first time I was able to watch them drop out of the sky like that. Pretty amazing. Article 13753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-hub.interserv.net!news.interserv.com!not-for-mail From: "George Clarkson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey storage Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:01:27 -0600 Organization: Interserv News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6qpfhb$2gj$1@lal.interserv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.175.190.245 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13753 I recently noticed that some honey from 1997 that I had stored seemed to taste different - not bad, but maybe a little stronger and also a stronger smell. Is this normal? I searched the web and found an article that said this can happen and it suggested freezing honey for long term storage. All of this is contrary to what I had believed in the past. I always thought that honey essentially remained unchanged in storage at room temperature with the exception of crystallization. Any comments on this? Thanks, George PS: Good honey crop in Golden, CO, USA this year. Article 13754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Zettastone@webtv.net (rosie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: --HELP NEEDED!..who handles bee problems in L.A. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <27604-35D35E5D-120@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6qtm38$oce$1@nnrp1.snfc21.pbi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRZS+Q9qh+ZBCU7BGpTlT+LoItjqAIVAMcSrQhpeQIiA1CO7ffDmrMsR3zD Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13754 Do bees bite?? Article 13755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: worms in comb & yellow-topped workers -disease? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:06:42 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35d37b5c.3910767@news.jps.net> References: <35d42ce1.171982495@nntp.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.44 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.44 Lines: 46 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13755 On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:08:50 GMT, fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) wrote: >I just pulled two hives from inside buildings today and both had a few >clear-white, 1/2" skinny, live, worms. They had brown dots @ each end >and were moving through the honey. Any idea? Without seeing the worms I would guess that these be any one of a whole list of scavengers that come when you have wet dead bees in the bottom of a hive. One of them that could make you a neighborhood hero if you are the first to find it in your state and that's the newly introduced or found Small Hive Beetle that produces worms such as you described. They are smaller then the grater wax worms, more like the lesser wax worms in size or the indian head meal moth and can look pink in cast. In fact what you could have is the lesser wax moth worms as they are common in your area but the brown dots got me pummeled. In any case if you really need to know check out your local extension agent and he or she may be able to help ID a good sample in a small jar with the lid on tight or dead in alcohol. >The 2'nd hive had about 5-10 of the workers with a solid yellow color >(fungus?) on the top of their head & thorax - looked sort of like a >pollen christmas tree. Are you sure it is not pollen? I believe I remember seeing this when I kept bees in Colorado when a summer wild flower that grows along the roadside in the gravel, but can't remember its name. I seem to remember that the seeds were OK to eat. >What a mess. Makes me want to quit trying to save feral bees. It a dirty job but someone gots to do it and judging by what is being sold to the newspaper you may have just done the last two feral hives in Colorado if not the US and to think flood waters killed one of them what a bummer. Good Luck, ttul, the OLd Drone (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: --HELP NEEDED!..who handles bee problems in L.A. Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:23:44 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35d48044.5167268@news.jps.net> References: <6qtm38$oce$1@nnrp1.snfc21.pbi.net> <27604-35D35E5D-120@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.44 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.44 Lines: 30 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13756 On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT), Zettastone@webtv.net (rosie) wrote: >Do bees bite?? Yes honeybee do bite, and you can feel it. Honeybees will land on the body of a salty human or animal and attempt to hunk off a chunk. Between the fingers, around a ring, the watch band and the greatest of all fears..the crouch shot, but they only bite and its enough of a pinch that if you do not see it happening you will easily believed you have been stung but close examination will not detect any stinger or puncture wounds. Most of the time panic sets in and the bee is crushed and does sting especially with those in the privates which some consider a major hit but having seen a beekeeper once dump five gallons of water on his privates it did not swell up but more like pruned up from all the water and I and a few others bee louses (helpers) almost got sick from laughing so hard which did nothing for his problem. Lucky it was not a rattlesnake bite cause he would be dead... hummed maybe that going to be the US president Groper's story...she was only trying to get the posion out judge! ttul, the OLd Drone (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracter RPM Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:11:47 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35D3B891.53CC@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.152 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903057185 VRL06/YYI3498CDD2C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13757 Hi everyone, Does anyone know the RPM of their extracter? I just finished making a six frame radial and I was targeting around 300-400 RPM. The RPM will help me decide whether to just gear it down or put variable speed control. Thanks Kent Stienburg Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 13758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!netnews.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: spotty brood - new queen or laying worker? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:10:12 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust230.tnt1.thousand-oaks.ca.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13758 Hi, I am trying to requeen a queenlees hive. The first queen I introduced started laying brood, but soon quit and disapperared. The queen supplier sent a new replacement queen which I introduced. In my last inspection I noticed lots of brood, both capped and uncapped, however the brood was spread over about four frames, both sides with about a 15 or so percent saturation. I have heard that laying workers lay spotty brood and I don't know if this is drone larvae developing in regular worker bee cells or if it is irregularly laid worker larvae. 1) When laying workers are present, are the eggs laid in normal worker sized cells? 2) My normal experience is to see brood patches laid with a fairly high density, generally concentrated over a few frames with high coverage, rather than low coverage over many frames. Is it normal for a new queen to lay irregular brood? Paul, Ventura County, California Article 13759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spotty brood - new queen or laying worker? Lines: 56 Message-ID: <1998081412424100.IAA28267@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Aug 1998 12:42:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13759 From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) <> Laying workers will lay eggs on the side of the cells not at the bottom. Often there will be more than one egg per cell. If they develop they will not have flat caps as normal workers, but will have convex (bullet shaped) caps, because they will be drones. (There have been rumors lately of cape bees being found in the US; these workers are capable of laying eggs which will develop into workers. I hope the rumors are false, because these bees have been a source of terrible loss in some areas of Africa.) <<2) My normal experience is to see brood patches laid with a fairly high density, generally concentrated over a few frames with high coverage, rather than low coverage over many frames. Is it normal for a new queen to lay irregular brood?>> Have you seen any signs of pesticide poisoning? When bees store away poisoned pollen the brood pattern will become spotty and will not get better until all that poisoned pollen is cleaned up. I have seen where frames of pollen from deadouts have been used in new hives, and immediately you have a spotty brood pattern. It is difficult to requeen a queenless hive, or a hive with a poor queen late in the season, because the bees in the hive are now mostly all old bees, which will not easily accept a boughten queen. When you introduce a new queen, be sure to give the hive a couple frames of capped brood from another hive. Then they will have young bees that can care for the queen. Sometimes the old bees will not actually kill the queen, but they will worry and torment her. Look carefully at the queen you introduced. Does she have frayed wings? Missing leg? Does she look battered. I do not try to requeen a hive unless the problem is caught before the population has dwindled. The problem hives, as you describe, are not worth saving. Recombine with another hive. If you really want to try to save them (and there are no signs of pesticide damage, foulbrood or chalkbrood), give them a couple frames of brood with eggs from a good hive, and feed them. They will raise a queen which will be accepted. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.191.82.230!prairie.attcanada.net!attcanada!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spotty brood - new queen or laying worker? Date: 14 Aug 1998 16:59:31 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 39 Message-ID: <01bdc7a4$e1914580$1262400c@default> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13760 Another possible explaination for a spotty pattern in a previously Q-less colony is that the workers have been using the brood area to store unripened nectar if there is any kind of a flow going. Does the Q have plenty of space or are you seeing a lot of nectar? Is your observation based on only sealed brood or are you looking also at the larva? Be sure to simulate a flow when requeening if there is nothing on. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Paul Nicholson wrote in article ... > Hi, > > I am trying to requeen a queenlees hive. The first queen I introduced > started laying brood, but soon quit and disapperared. The queen supplier > sent a new replacement queen which I introduced. In my last inspection I > noticed lots of brood, both capped and uncapped, however the brood was > spread over about four frames, both sides with about a 15 or so percent > saturation. I have heard that laying workers lay spotty brood and I don't > know if this is drone larvae developing in regular worker bee cells or if > it is irregularly laid worker larvae. > > 1) When laying workers are present, are the eggs laid in normal worker > sized cells? > > 2) My normal experience is to see brood patches laid with a fairly high > density, generally concentrated over a few frames with high coverage, > rather than low coverage over many frames. Is it normal for a new queen to > lay irregular brood? > > Paul, > Ventura County, California > Article 13761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spotty brood - new queen or laying worker? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:56:34 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <01bdc7a4$e1914580$1262400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool005-max4.ds19-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13761 In article <01bdc7a4$e1914580$1262400c@default>, "George Styer" wrote: > Another possible explaination for a spotty pattern in a previously Q-less > colony is that the workers have been using the brood area to store > unripened nectar if there is any kind of a flow going. Does the Q have > plenty of space or are you seeing a lot of nectar? Is your observation > based on only sealed brood or are you looking also at the larva? She has plenty of space. There is not a lot of nectar coming in now as this is the hot dry rainless summer here. Both the sealed brood and larvae are irregular. The capped cells look like normal worker cells. If the laying workers lay drone eggs in worker bee sized cells, will the resulting drones be viable midget drones? > Be sure to simulate a flow when requeening if there is nothing on. I was feeding earlier, I'll feed them again. > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > > Paul Nicholson wrote in article > ... > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to requeen a queenlees hive. The first queen I introduced > > started laying brood, but soon quit and disapperared. The queen supplier > > sent a new replacement queen which I introduced. In my last inspection I > > noticed lots of brood, both capped and uncapped, however the brood was > > spread over about four frames, both sides with about a 15 or so percent > > saturation. I have heard that laying workers lay spotty brood and I don't > > know if this is drone larvae developing in regular worker bee cells or if > > it is irregularly laid worker larvae. > > > > 1) When laying workers are present, are the eggs laid in normal worker > > sized cells? > > > > 2) My normal experience is to see brood patches laid with a fairly high > > density, generally concentrated over a few frames with high coverage, > > rather than low coverage over many frames. Is it normal for a new queen > to > > lay irregular brood? > > > > Paul, > > Ventura County, California > > Article 13762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: National Honey Show 98 web site Message-ID: <902988965@zbee.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:16:04 GMT Lines: 40 Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 13 Aug 1998 07:24:09 -0100, 194.112.43.78 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-tele!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13762 -------- Forwarded Message --------- Original: DATE..... 13 Aug 1998, 07:14a Original: FROM..... 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Article 13763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!131.119.28.147!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spotty brood - new queen or laying worker? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:11:34 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <1998081412424100.IAA28267@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool005-max4.ds19-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13763 In article <1998081412424100.IAA28267@ladder03.news.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) > > < started laying brood, but soon quit and disapperared. The queen supplier > sent a new replacement queen which I introduced. In my last inspection I > noticed lots of brood, both capped and uncapped, however the brood was > spread over about four frames, both sides with about a 15 or so percent > saturation. I have heard that laying workers lay spotty brood and I don't > know if this is drone larvae developing in regular worker bee cells or if > it is irregularly laid worker larvae. > > 1) When laying workers are present, are the eggs laid in normal worker > sized cells?>> > > Laying workers will lay eggs on the side of the cells not at the bottom. > Often there will be more than one egg per cell. If they develop they will not > have flat caps as normal workers, but will have convex (bullet shaped) caps, > because they will be drones. (There have been rumors lately of cape bees being > found in the US; these workers are capable of laying eggs which will develop > into workers. I hope the rumors are false, because these bees have been a > source of terrible loss in some areas of Africa.) > > <<2) My normal experience is to see brood patches laid with a fairly high > density, generally concentrated over a few frames with high coverage, > rather than low coverage over many frames. Is it normal for a new queen to > lay irregular brood?>> > > Have you seen any signs of pesticide poisoning? When bees store away > poisoned pollen the brood pattern will become spotty and will not get better > until all that poisoned pollen is cleaned up. I have seen where frames of > pollen from deadouts have been used in new hives, and immediately you have a > spotty brood pattern. No, I'm on the edge of a residential area adjacent to a state park. There is not a lot of agriculture around here. This hive however, has been weak for a couple of months. Perhaps, they do have some contaminated food stored away. > It is difficult to requeen a queenless hive, or a hive with a poor queen > late in the season, because the bees in the hive are now mostly all old bees, > which will not easily accept a boughten queen. When you introduce a new queen, > be sure to give the hive a couple frames of capped brood from another hive. > Then they will have young bees that can care for the queen. This is the slow season here in Southern California. SInce much of my bee's forage is unirrigated wild land, there is not much nectar now. I do want to get the hive going this fall. Here the bees can forage almost every day of the year, except when the rain storms come. > Sometimes the old bees will not actually kill the queen, but they will > worry and torment her. Look carefully at the queen you introduced. Does she > have frayed wings? Missing leg? Does she look battered. I did not see her the last time I checked the hive. > I do not try to requeen a hive unless the problem is caught before the > population has dwindled. The problem hives, as you describe, are not worth > saving. Recombine with another hive. If you really want to try to save them > (and there are no signs of pesticide damage, foulbrood or chalkbrood), give > them a couple frames of brood with eggs from a good hive, and feed them. They > will raise a queen which will be accepted. I'll pull out a couple of frames from my strong hive and put them in there. Paul Article 13764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!wave.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetically engineered Bees Date: 14 Aug 1998 22:03:13 GMT Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <01bdc7d0$888feaa0$e8c160cb@leo> NNTP-Posting-Host: a40.hn3.wave.co.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13764 Genetic engineering experiments that are being performed on farm animals ie sheep etc are in controlled conditions, the animals are fenced, monitored, tracked, tested. The likelihood that they would escape into the natural environment to mate freely is fairly remote. Bees are farmed in an entirely different way. They roam freely in our natural environment, that is a necessary factor in their survival and pollen/nectar collection. Questions:- what happens when genetically engineered Bees are released into the environment? who's going to monitor them? Who will track them? who will be responsible for the possible outcomes if the Bees mate with wild Bees and/or Bees from registered hives of Bee Keepers? There are already many threats to Bees in their existing natural environment, ie foulbrood, mites etc etc. Who wants to further risk the survival of Bees by playing around with their DNA? AND put everyone else's Bees at risk also. While we're at it, once we have played around with the DNA let's patent Bees so that they can only a limited few can have access to the wonderful little creatures. Isn't that what DNA engineering is all about, so those in power can alter DNA, say they've invented something new, slap a patent on everything and own it? Nature has taken Billions of years to perfect eco-systems microclimates etc. Humans are destroying these in the blink of an eye. One generation of human kind has created such havoc it will be a miracle if the next generation survives. Stop playing God!! One further point:- No wonder the Yanks spend Billions of dollars exploring for other planets to live on, the powers that bee know we have limited time on this planet, we need to find new environments for ROBBING. It's urgent to find fresh planets to destroy and in the quest to destroy, let's attack the very basis of life - DNA. That Billion dollars they just blew up would have been better spent on researching Bio-dynamics, how to feed the starving Millions while preserving the environment, our survival on this planet and the restoration of Mother Nature's damaged Majesty. Final question:- Where have all the common sense and ethic gone? Article 13765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Let's Buzz the School" Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998081501284000.VAA16881@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 1998 01:28:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35d45d36.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13765 Seems pricey for a booklet Article 13766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: disabledvet@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:40:15 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6r2ou0$h1l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.212.116.43 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 15 01:40:15 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-NBWA (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13766 Hi: I'm just checking into the site - and following the conversations. Sincerely, Dick Squires -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetically engineered Bees Date: 15 Aug 1998 01:57:45 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 45 Message-ID: <6r2pup$6de$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bdc7d0$888feaa0$e8c160cb@leo> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13767 In article <01bdc7d0$888feaa0$e8c160cb@leo>, Carman wrote: >Nature has taken Billions of years to perfect eco-systems microclimates >etc. With whatever mechanism you want to use in describing change in biological organisms over time, you have to acknowledge that "perfect" is not the best word choice. use. "Nature" as I think you mean, has no teleology or sense of purpose, hence no striving toward perfection. Anyway, I missed the previous articles in this thread. Who is "genetically engineering" honey bees? Heck, honey bee researchers still don't know what all the dances mean, or why bees build comb up. >human kind has created such havoc it will be a miracle if the next >generation survives. Stop playing God!! What? What havoc are you talking about? Pollution, or "genetic engineering". >One further point:- No wonder the Yanks spend Billions of dollars >exploring for other planets to live on, the powers that bee know we have >limited time on this planet, we need to find new environments for ROBBING. > It's urgent to find fresh planets to destroy and in the quest to destroy, >let's attack the very basis of life - DNA. That Billion dollars they just >blew up would have been better spent on researching Bio-dynamics, how to >feed the starving Millions while preserving the environment, our survival >on this planet and the restoration of Mother Nature's damaged Majesty. >Final question:- Where have all the common sense and ethic gone? Man where have you been? Greed usually dictates what happens when, in our human history. Your equating present-day scientific research with a time that has less "ethics and common sense" than any other time, is naive. We as a species, have been ruthlessly doing in our neighbors and neighbor species' ecosystems for quite some time now. What people on Earth, if given technology, choose to feed their hungry, rather than exploit their natural resources and arm themselves? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Steve & Meneese Wall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen trap screen Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:50:54 -0500 Organization: Art Group Lines: 7 Message-ID: <41B537B31C4EF737.8D470CE44816E0B9.1B9B8573C5D3E7F9@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <35CF4F1C.E4081391@fastlane.net> Reply-To: thewalls@fastlane.net Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at fastlane.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: librarytest.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Aug 10 14:48:29 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dDb'#+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13768 I have built a pollen trap but am having trouble finding a small amount of the proper screen for the screen board ( the screen the bees have to crawl through and subsequently lose their load.) Hardware stores carry 1/8" and 1/4" screen but not 3/16". Does anyone know where I can get a small amount of it? I think they call it 5-mesh hardware cloth. Any information would be appreciated. Article 13769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dugan1@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 02:43:32 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.204.116 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 07 02:43:32 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13769 Recently at the area bee club meeting, I heard someone saying he intends to treat with Apistan for the next two weeks, then remove the strips to collect some fall honey and then re-install them for another 4 weeks in October. He said that the first treatment should get "about 80% of them" and the followup treatment would get the rest. My first thought was that this sounded like it might risk creating resistant mites, but this guy (and most others for that matter) knows a lot more about bees than I do, so how do I know it's not a good idea. I'd like to do it, too, if it's sound practice. I'm also treating with menthol, which I assume I'd also have to remove in a couple of weeks. So what's the real story? Is this a viable practice, or is it asking for trouble? Is the story the same for Apistan/Varroa as for menthol/Tracheal Mites? -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NHS lecture programme 1998 Message-ID: <902849399@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:25:12 GMT Lines: 88 Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 CCGATE: MSGID: 240:244/118 418e5d49 CCGATE: PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.12a EH00015 * Message copied from "Kent Beekeeping Association" NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 11 Aug 1998 17:33:37 -0100, 194.112.43.78 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13770 The 67th National Honey Show with International Classes and Beekeepers' Lecture Convention, 1998 Organised by THE NATIONAL HONEY SHOW LIMITED The show is sponsored by The Worshipful Company of Wax Chandlers PROGRAMME OF EVENTS SCHEDULE OF CLASSES AND PRIZES Thursday, 26th November 2.30 pm-7.00 pm (doors open for Opening Ceremony 1.45 pm) Friday, 27th November 9.30 am-7.00 pm Saturday, 28th November 9.30 am-5.00 pm ADMISSION: Adults œ4.00 * Children 16 and under 50p * Members free THURSDAY 26th NOVEMBER 2.00 pm Opening Ceremony HER EXCELLENCY SHELAGH M de OSUNA High Commissioner of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago SATURDAY 28th NOVEMBER 4.00 pm Presentation of Cups and Trophies JACK HOLT . President of the National Honey Show LECTURE CONVENTION and Programme THURSDAY 26th NOVEMBER 1.45 Doors open 2.0 Opening Ceremony 3.0 "How doth the little busy Bee" Dr. Beulah Cullen 4.15 "Yemini Bees and Beekeeping" Julian Johnston 7.00 Show closes FRIDAY 27th November 9.30 Show opens 10.30 "Beekeeping lessons from the past" Norman Hughes 11.45 "Cold Climate Beekeeping" Kari Valonen 1.00 "Transporting Bees by Stage Coach" Ted Kay 2.15 "Those other Bees in your Garden" Andrew Halstead 3.30 "Honey - from the Honey Packers Point of View" Robin Lewis 4.45 "Bees, Smells and Gadgets" Dr Guy Poppy 7.00 Show closes SATURDAY 28NOVEMBER 9.30 Show opens 10.30 "Occasional Joys of a Marginal Beekeeper" Ted Kay 11.45 "Conflict in the Bee Hive" Dr Francis Ratnieks 1.00 "Beekeeping in Finland" Kari Valonen 2.30 National Honey Show Annual General Meeting and Annual National Council Meeting 4.00 Presentation of Trophies and Awards followed by the Draw 5.00 Show closes 5.30 Collect Exhibits The Show gratefully acknowledges the sponsorship by Hertfordshire BKA of the Jim Crawford Memorial Lecture given by Andrew Halstead, an anonymous donor for funding the Francis Ratnieks lecture and others who have donated generously and anonymously to the Lecture Convention funding. Show your Best Honey to the World at the Best Honey Show in the World. 26th, 27th & 28th November 1998 at Kensington Town Hall London UK Full details from Revd. F Capener, 1 Baldric Road, Folkestone CT20 2NR Tel & fax. +44 01303 254 579 (26p C5 sae welcome) E-mail: nathon@zbee.com Registered Charity 233656 --- * Origin: Bromley Beekeeping in the 21st Century (240:244/118) Article 13771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:53:07 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust135.tnt1.thousand-oaks.ca.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13771 In article <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > There are lots of interpretations to Varroa mite control utilizing Apistan. > The best one is to score the strips to allow more of the active ingredient to > emerge, thus killing more mites. Since there is not much research funding > available for varroa control, this area of honey bee management remains a > mystery. But isn't that why you like bees anyway? > > Adam The product should be used according to the manufacturers directions. The release rate of the apistan into the hive is optimized to deliver the optimum dose of miticide. To much delivery and you expose the bees to increased levels of miticide and you risk depleting the pesticide before mites in sealed brood cells hatch. Then when they do hatch, the less than lethal dose remaining will select for resistance. If the release rate is too low you will also select for resistance. No doubt, if the manufacturer of Apistan had desired a higher or lower release rate, the product could have been engineered accordingly. The could just have easily larger thinner strips or smaller thicker strips, as well as reformulated the plastic composition to affect the dosage rate. If someone wants to experiment with Apistan dosing rates, the studies should be conducted in a scientific manner with sufficient data gathering to properly interpret results. This is beyond the capability or desire of most beekeepers and should best be left for the trained scientists. Paul Article 13772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.mcs.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: removal of colony from wall Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:53:46 -0700 Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <35D5307A.1922@mcs.com> Reply-To: savant@mcs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: savant.pr.mcs.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13772 Subject: nest removal This week I discovered a tiny hole in the wood of the east wall of our home. There is a continuous light stream of bees leaving and returning through the hole to the nest inside the wall. The bees are not gettng into the living areas of our home. Destruction the use of the nest will be required. We will be making repairs: putting in a new wall, after removal of the picture window; removal of the space heater; removal of the airconditioner. If possible, I would like to cause the bees to establish a new nest elsewhere. When are the bees likely to send out a new queen for establishment of a new nest? Prior to starting the repairs, what is the best way to destroy the nest so the carpenters will not be stung? Wait until the end of the summer, so a new queen can locate elsewhere? Tom WisestOwl@hotmail.com Article 13773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation hive Date: 11 Aug 1998 17:10:25 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6qqmhh$le2@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts002d28.col-oh.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13773 This is my first time posting to this list. I am a first time beekeeper. I am looking for plans to build an observation hive. Does anyone know where I can find some plans? Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Shawn Roberts (\ {((O8< (/ Article 13774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Ken Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Date: 12 Aug 1998 02:39:16 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bdc59a$4e27ab60$6861420c@home> References: <6qqmhh$le2@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.97.104 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13774 serttr@concentric.net wrote in article <6qqmhh$le2@chronicle.concentric.net>... > This is my first time posting to this list. I am a first time beekeeper. I > am looking for plans to build an observation hive. Does anyone know where I > can find some plans? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Hello Try this site. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Ken Article 13775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.172.3.49!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removal of colony from wall Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 09:29:15 -0400 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6r42h2$rh7$1@tikehau.netreach.net> References: <35D5307A.1922@mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-209208-189.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13775 This is only partially correct - if you are waiting for the bees to swarm, only a percentage actually leave with the new queen, the rest of them will raise sister queens before the swarming period to succeed the queen that departs. > When are the bees likely to send out a new queen for establishment >of a new nest? A better option is to call your local Extension office or Agricultural department or just call a beekeeper from the yellow pages and have them remove the nest. They did this for my grandfather's farm house - it turned out to be about 4 feet by 4 feet in the wall and the honey must've all been from his orchard - mmm good. Anyway, that is probably the way I would handle it - also have the carpenters include in their price the cost to replace any wood that has come in contact with the bees as this has their scent and will attract more next year. Marc Article 13776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!not-for-mail From: "Zinoviev A." 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Company AgriS Moscow Russia Tel. 095 2844649 http://www.agris.comtel.ru Article 13777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.bctel.net!not-for-mail From: Rosemary Parsons Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Crystallized Honey Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 02:27:38 -0700 Organization: BCTEL Advanced Communications Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35D2B18A.5F09@bc.sympatico.ca> References: <1998081018441800.OAA05625@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: Rosemary_Parsons@bc.sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: nnim01m04-10.bctel.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13777 Jkxray wrote: > > I have several supers of honey which have crystallized in the comb. In the > past I have been able to extract such with my radial extractor, but not this > time. Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations/experience, other than > giving it back to the bees, on how to recover, i.e. extract such crystallised > honey without ruining the comb? We get this problem in years when there is lots of wild mustard on the sides of roads. In the past we have tried to warm frames or set the blades deep on our uncapper. Now we just feed them back to the bees and let them use do the work. regards Daryl Parsons Article 13778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998081516494100.MAA06986@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 1998 16:49:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35ccd54f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13778 Hey Herb, is this an inviting offer. Open to anyone? Article 13779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removal of colony from wall Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:39:33 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 32 Message-ID: <35D5C7D5.7B197BCA@midtown.net> References: <35D5307A.1922@mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903202876 38BMS018M6544CDA2C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13779 If I'm reading your post right,,,,,you believe that you will have access to the hive due to the work that you are having done. If that's the case,,,this should be a piece of cake! When I'm on a swarm call, I LOVE to hear that I have "carte blanche" to do what I need to to a wall to retrieve those "pesky" bees. Most likely, any swarm chaser will have a sawzall, or whatever else he needs to make it safe for your carpenters Tom wrote: > Subject: nest removal > > This week I discovered a tiny hole in the wood of the east wall of our > home. There is a continuous light stream of bees leaving and returning > through the hole to the nest inside the wall. The bees are not gettng > into the living areas of our home. > Destruction the use of the nest will be required. We will be > making > repairs: putting in a new wall, after removal of the picture window; > removal of the space heater; removal of the airconditioner. > If possible, I would like to cause the bees to establish a new nest > elsewhere. > When are the bees likely to send out a new queen for establishment > of a new nest? > Prior to starting the repairs, what is the best way to destroy the > nest so the carpenters will not be stung? > Wait until the end of the summer, so a new queen can locate elsewhere? > > Tom > WisestOwl@hotmail.com Article 13780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving crowded hive Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:27:50 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 36 Message-ID: <35D5C516.B5311ED1@midtown.net> References: <6qi994$2oh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903202172 38BMS018M6544CDA2C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: garet58@my-dejanews.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13780 I've had luck with waiting until as late as possible, to have as many as possible "hangin' out" at the hive and then misting them with a fine spray of water. They apparently think it's about to rain and jet into the hive. Good luck garet58@my-dejanews.com wrote: > To all: > > Help! I am relocating from Vermont to Central New York State and need to > move a single hive of bees. I've moved hives before, but the problem with > this one is that it is a very crowded hive. They are in three deep supers, > and in preparation for the move I've just taken off two more deep supers of > honey for extraction. So there was a total of five deep supers on this > healthy hive of bees. My main problem with moving it are the crowds of bees > hanging out on the front of the hive and the entrance board. At this moment > there is a mass of bees about 18" long by 8" wide and several layers deep on > the front of the hive. This group of bees is there even at night, except when > it gets very cool, which I cannot count on because I need to move the bees > this weekend. So how do I get those bees to go into the hive so that it can > be secured with screening and hive staples? When I've smoked bees like this > some go in the hive while others just fly in the air and circle around. I'm > reluctant to leave bees behind because they are in my backyard in a suburban > neighborhood and would cause lots of trouble if I took their hive from them. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Garet Livermore > Burlington, Vermont > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.vienna.good.net!news.phoenix.good.net!news.good.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: fallon@hotmail.com (Martin Fallon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Breeds Reply-To: fallon@hotmail.com Message-ID: <35d2d87f.1040779@news.northcom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Organization: Kingston Online Services Lines: 8 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:08:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.246.3.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:08:37 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13781 Is there a listing anywhere of the breeds of bees? A webpage or FAQ that discusses the pros and the cons of each breed? I have two hives and would like to requeen next spring but am lost at the choices I have. I hope someone can enlighten me. _____________________________________________________ I wanted a mission and for my sins they gave me one. When it was over I would never want another. Article 13782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: removal of colony from wall Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:50:25 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 57 Message-ID: <35d6730d.1160779@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <35D5307A.1922@mcs.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co67-36.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 15 6:49:22 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13782 Tom, If you're having your carpenters do the repair-work, you'll likely find a beekeeper in your area who wouldn't mind coming out to pick up the bees & honey. You'll find them by calling your county extension agent, or apiary (if any in your area). POST WHERE YOU LIVE (city) here & perhaps some beekeeper will read this whom lives close to you. The best time to remove this group is during the spring, when the bees have a chance to build back their hive. Most beekeepers still have time to give this hive a new home if you act fast, though they'll have to heavily feed them (with their old honeycomb). After the bees are gone, keep the new-bees out of the space by scraping out all the remaining wax & honey. I've been told to scrub the area with a bleach/soapy compound, though I wouldn't bother if it's too awkward to get to. Then filll the area with fiberglass insulation. The key is that bees need space for hives. Almost every single bee-hive I've pulled this year was a repeat bee-hive - meaning the owners had the old beehives killed by pesticide year after year. When I go out to a hive in a building I'll find the old hives AND the new (they're attracted to the old hive smell of honey & wax). If there's no space for them to build in, they won't build their new home in your wall....they'll look at your roof instead. Make sure all your joints are sealed in the area. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:53:46 -0700, Tom wrote: >Subject: nest removal > >This week I discovered a tiny hole in the wood of the east wall of our >home. There is a continuous light stream of bees leaving and returning >through the hole to the nest inside the wall. The bees are not gettng >into the living areas of our home. > Destruction the use of the nest will be required. We will be >making >repairs: putting in a new wall, after removal of the picture window; >removal of the space heater; removal of the airconditioner. > If possible, I would like to cause the bees to establish a new nest >elsewhere. > When are the bees likely to send out a new queen for establishment >of a new nest? > Prior to starting the repairs, what is the best way to destroy the >nest so the carpenters will not be stung? > Wait until the end of the summer, so a new queen can locate elsewhere? > > Tom >WisestOwl@hotmail.com Article 13783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spotty brood - new queen or laying worker? Date: 14 Aug 1998 19:51:54 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bdc7bc$f6d9f460$b062400c@default> References: <01bdc7a4$e1914580$1262400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.176 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13783 The lack of a flow suprises me. I live in Sacramento and the yellow star thistle is being worked pretty heavily from Jul thru Oct. The hotter the better. I thought this stuff had a range throughout the west, but then again it may not be within the flight range of your hives. I live within bee-flight distance of a green belt along the American River and it is growing all over the place. BTW, some of the best honey IMHO. Good luck. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Paul Nicholson wrote in article ... > In article <01bdc7a4$e1914580$1262400c@default>, "George Styer" > wrote: > > She has plenty of space. There is not a lot of nectar coming in now as > this is the hot dry rainless summer here. Both the sealed brood and larvae > are irregular. The capped cells look like normal worker cells. > Article 13784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu.srv.ualberta.ca!rb3 From: R Blackwell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: jpegs of bees? Date: 15 Aug 1998 22:17:10 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6r51d6$feu$2@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970424; AIX 4.1] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13784 Hello. I am looking for jpegs of bees, possibly a bee with a colourful photo, that I could download from a website into Adobe photoshop for my girlfriend's essay's title page. Does anyone have any suggestion of where I might find these? Thank you. -- ******************************************************************************* Boyd Blackwell Apt. #912 Newton Place, E-mail: rb3@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 8515-112 Street, Home Phone: (403) 434-5065 Edmonton, AB. Canada. T6G 1K7 "How do I set my laser printer on stun?" Article 13785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Hive Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:22:00 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6r2v1q$k18$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust209.tnt24.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13785 Can anyone tell me when is the best time for removing the entrance reducer on a newly started hive????? How long should it stay in place?? Article 13786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heartbreaking bee experience! Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:56:28 -0400 Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.180 Message-ID: <35d621cf.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.1.51!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.180 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13786 We tried to remove a wild colony from an abandoned building today. The landlord of the property said that the building was going to be destroyed in the fall so I figured I could save them and gain some free bees. The old saying "nothing in life is ever free" could not have applied more. I smoked them and removed a section of dry wall on the inside of their entrance and exposed an area 5' x 3' packed with comb(honey and brood). The mess that followed was horrible and even after piecewise removing the comb and looking for the queen we only netted about ~1.5lbs of bees. Hundreds got soaked with honey as it ran in pints down my raised arms and off my elbows. I will go back tomorrow and see if there is any clusters to steal because there were hundreds airborne when we left. I know I walked into this with false expectations but in searching archived posts to this group I didn't find anyone who "actually describes" the best procedure to do this. Does anyone have a system that works? My girlfriend joked that a weak sucking vacuum cleaner would have been very handy. Seeing caramelized honey bees tomorrow is not at all something that I am looking forward to. Tonight I will dream of a 10lb swarm suspended from a single branch only 4ft off the ground to make up for today's experience. steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com (remove the q's to respond personally) Article 13787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Let's Buzz the School" Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:52:19 -0400 Lines: 61 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.252 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.252 Message-ID: <35d45d36.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.252 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13787 Greetings.. If you have already read this article on my web site, I apologize.. "Let's Buzz the Schools" booklet is a continuing effort to bring agricultural education to the general public and in particular to elementary school teachers and their school children. This booklet contains lesson plans, illustrations, vocabulary, and reference materials. It is designed for children in Kindergarten through 5th grade and will hopefully change some attitudes about a very important industry Beekeeping lesson plans are developed for each appropriate grade level. Level Teachers have a chose of what lesson plans to teach and can use as many as they have time for. They do not need to have a background in beekeeping because materials with the necessary information is provided along with answer sheets. People have misconceptions about bees and this usually develops during childhood. We want to inform the general public through their children. We want to show that the honey bee is a friend, not an enemy; honey bees sting out defense; how they live and function in hives; how man uses the honey bee; and how important they are to mankind. Honey bees play a crucial role in pollination, thus ensuring an abundance of plant foods for man, domestic animals, wildlife and enabling the persistence of plant species. The bee industry is also besieged by more problem than we can puff a smoker at. Americans would stop eating foreign honey if they knew the terrible impact that this unfairly priced imported honey was having on our industry. Home gardeners would be more aware of the care they should take in applying insecticides if they knew the value of bees to their gardens. Education and promotion is the key. We need to work very hard to inform the public as well as our legislative officials about the importance of honey bees to mankind. As beekeepers we should make every effort to get at least one copy in each of our local school libraries. This booklet is being offered at $12.95...postage and handling included. If you would like to obtain a copy, please contact Loretta Surprenant, Box 300 Essex,New York 12936 or call (518) 963-7593. Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 13788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.enteract.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Tax: Woodenware depreciation Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:02:07 -0400 Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6r13h1$8k6$1@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <6qqknj$hfl@ednet2.orednet.org> <01bdc62f$beece280$0562400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: hil-dnppx-021.oh.compuserve.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13788 FWIW I use a CPA and notice he has my woodenware on a five year schedule. Hope this helps... Ernie Scofield >> If any of you do your own US taxes, can you advise what the customary >> depreciation period is on wooden ware? Or do most folks expense the >hives >> in the year they are acquired. >> Article 13789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: 15 Aug 1998 22:24:56 -0400 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6r5fto$1h8@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13789 In article , Paul Nicholson wrote: >This is beyond the capability or desire of >most beekeepers and should best be left for the trained scientists. Well well gee I guess I must leave this dosage stuff to the "trained scientists". Hahahahahahahaah. The scraping of the strips was discovered to increase the dosage of the current lot of Apistan to the original strip's concentration (dosage) which were used to formulate the recommended treatment used today. However, since Apistan's use varies so much by region and application, I'd recommend anyone questioning Apistan to talk to some experienced beekeepers and some trained scientists--maybe if you live in a good beekeeping state, this will be the same person. ;-) Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 13790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.219.162.3!news.javanet.com!up From: up@javanet.com (U.P. Thecreek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 'ground' bees, what kind? how to rid? Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:54:18 -0400 Organization: JavaNet Cafe Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: armory-us705.javanet.com X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13790 Though this looks to be an agriculture newsgroup, is there a better place for this question? Suddenly my flagstone walk is full of bees' nests. I've never seen bees go in and out of the ground before, so I don't know if these are anything requiring special handling. I just know that I can't let them go on inhabiting the walk. If it makes a difference, this is in western New England. Please, if you have info, send an email, as my newsgroup access is unreliable. rob up@javanet.com Article 13791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Ima-beeliever@webtv.net (Ima Beeliever) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2304-35D626D5-55@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAp2sdtYxRzDNkfACys5Gg5AmZEUwCFQCvwCqpnNb1EQeZoKYSIpfp/aQ8Jw== Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13791 According to Keith Delaplane in his video "Honey Bees & Beekeeping" and my not so perfect memory of the video, it is possible to do a one week test on honeybees. You remove the honey supers first then apply Apistan strips according to directions on package. Use sticky boards with screens in bottom of hive body. Wait a week and check the number of Varroa killed. If light infestation, take the strips back out and put honey supers back on. Treat in fall as usual. Article 13792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetically engineered Bees Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998081601515500.VAA11131@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1998 01:51:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6r55jv$k8t$1@heliodor.xara.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13792 >Look at the so called killer bees. Weren't they an experiment that went >very wrong? NOT to claim that the "Bees from Brazil" (Africanized) were a good idea, but the end of that experiment has not yet been seen. ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 13793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New and I've got honey to extract---how? Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:47:25 -0400 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6r5def$r38$1@tikehau.netreach.net> References: <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.87.180.132 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13793 Beekeepers - like their counterparts are a social group and you may be able to extract your honey using another beekeepers equipment. This may be especially true if there is a beekeepers association in your locale. Hope this helps. Marc Article 13794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spotty brood - new queen or laying worker? Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:04:21 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <01bdc7a4$e1914580$1262400c@default> <01bdc7bc$f6d9f460$b062400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust204.tnt1.thousand-oaks.ca.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13794 In article <01bdc7bc$f6d9f460$b062400c@default>, "George Styer" wrote: > The lack of a flow suprises me. I live in Sacramento and the yellow star > thistle is being worked pretty heavily from Jul thru Oct. The hotter the > better. I thought this stuff had a range throughout the west, but then > again it may not be within the flight range of your hives. I live within > bee-flight distance of a green belt along the American River and it is > growing all over the place. BTW, some of the best honey IMHO. Good luck. I'm in the hills, and most everything wild has turned brown. My house borders a residential area, and no doubt there are sources of nectar from irrigated landscaping. They are still putting some honey away, but not like this spring. In six weeks from mid May when I extracted the early spring crop to the end of June, one of my hives filled 5 six inch supers with honey. The honey I get is also excellent. It has the smell of sage and is very light in color. When I extracted in mid May I pulled off 150 lbs. This was from two hives, but the yield from the hive with the failing queen was low. My strong hive I estimte has yielded 225 pound this spring. Go El Nino! I checked the hive that I requeened again. They are using old brood comb, and there was some pollen stored in the bottom of a lot of the cells, hence the spotty brood. I located the new queen and she seems to have settled in just fine. It's too bad I did not catch the decline of my hive. Had it been as strong as the weak one, I would have collected 450 pounds from two hives. Paul Article 13795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.136.80.160!cyclone.news.idirect.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:47:47 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6r5fto$1h8@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust204.tnt1.thousand-oaks.ca.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13795 In article <6r5fto$1h8@titan.oit.unc.edu>, adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > In article , > Paul Nicholson wrote: > > >This is beyond the capability or desire of > >most beekeepers and should best be left for the trained scientists. > > Well well gee I guess I must leave this dosage stuff to the "trained > scientists". Hahahahahahahaah. There is certainly a lot of misunderstanding about the mechanism of pesticide resistance, and many of the alternative dosing methods people brew up are only contributing this increased resistance. If some one does not have the understanding of the underlying mechanisms and the patience to document and analyze any alternative application methods then they should not play with alternative dosing methods. That's my story and I'm sticking to it ;-). Paul Article 13796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: --HELP NEEDED!..who handles bee problems in L.A. Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:29:24 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <6qtm38$oce$1@nnrp1.snfc21.pbi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust135.tnt1.thousand-oaks.ca.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13796 In article <6qtm38$oce$1@nnrp1.snfc21.pbi.net>, "Reply to Group" <.@.org> wrote: > > We have a swarm and a nest of hornets/bees, in an urban area of Los Angeles > County, furthermore people have been bitten and young children on the > property and in the neighborhood are at risk. The risk is very minimal. > We *HAVE* contacted the local police, local and county animal control, and > no agency seems to be equipted to handle the problem when we call it in. You > think they would at least send someone to evaluate the risk to public safety > (...yup maybe a little to risky to send officials to look at those swarming > things...and after all they can't shoot 'em or beat 'em with a club) It's not much of a risk to public safety. Relax! > Perhaps they only can only take folks to the hospital after they have been > bitten. Bees sting, not bite. Unless a person suffers from analyptic shock (reportedly 1 in 10,000 are susceptible) or gets bit by hundreds of bees, nobody is going to have to go to the hospital. > Wonder what will happen when these agressive african bees become more > prominant in Los Angeles? How do you know that they are african bees? I've removed three feral colonies in the L.A. - Ventura County area this spring and none of them were africanized. > Any advice for a John Q. Citizen who needs to remove this honycomb thing and > the mass of hornets off his property without getting bitten again. Hornets build a large paper nest on a tree branch. Honeybees prefer an enclosed space like a hollow tree trunk or the wall of your house. Drop me an e-mail at paul@eisusa.com. Where in LA are you? Is the nest in a structure or a tree? What sort of structure? Paul Article 13797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: jpegs of bees? Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998081605220000.BAA20572@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1998 05:22:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6r51d6$feu$2@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13797 From: R Blackwell <> You are welcome to the queen bee shot on the pollination web page below. Also, follow the link to Jan's pollination education page, and she's got a closeup of a worker bee on my finger. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New and I've got honey to extract---how? Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1998081605274200.BAA11286@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1998 05:27:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13798 From: bandcnj@aol.com (Bandcnj) <> Some bee clubs keep a small extractor on hand for folks in your position. Ask. You can uncap a small quantity with a hive tool. Also you may have another beekeeper who does custom extracting. We do quite a bit of it. Prices range from 5-10 cents a pound depending on whether the beekeeper helps, and what happens to the cappings. One super would be a very small order, but we've done some with two or three supers. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'ground' bees, what kind? how to rid? Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1998081605380500.BAA12372@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1998 05:38:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13799 From: up@javanet.com (U.P. Thecreek) <> If they are a colony, they probably are yellow jackets, not bees. They can easily be killed by pouring soapy water into their nest at night. If they each have individual nests (solitary bees) they are digger bees. Digger bees are not apt to sting and are very important pollinators. If you can live and let live, you will help keep your food supply pollinated. There are pictures of yellow jackets and bees at this site: http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/insects/mowasp/wasps.html Perhaps this will help with identification. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.113.230.MISMATCH!nntpX.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heartbreaking bee experience!-reply Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:40:49 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 101 Message-ID: <35d64e0b.2012899@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <35d621cf.0@news.aiusa.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co68-102.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 15 10:39:47 PM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13800 Very simple procedure. However, no-matter what this kind of hive will be MESSY. No-one I know particularly likes pulling hives from buildings. Honey & bees everywhere. But, there's a logic to follow - by nightfall, bees will go where their queen is (or where they can find what resembles their hive). I'm sure there are better ways but this is how I do it: Remove the comb and shake and brush the bees off their comb into their new hive (with frames spaced apart). You'll find the queen in the middle of the biggest clump of bees - back in some corner of the mess you're making - so you need to be EXTRA careful not to squish anything you can't see. DO NOT use your gloves to grab the bees, unless you can carefully pick them up in a non-threatening manner. Otherwise, you'll come back with a handful of stingers (i.e. one stinger = one dead bee). Following this, I'll place a bunch of the honey on either side of the frames (small bits inbetween). There's no science I've read in this, but the bees need food & something to get them acclimated to their new home. The bad part is that instead of eating the honey, they'll likely just waste valuable time cleaning up the imperfections of the comb and attach it to the side of the hive. You might want to remove the comb a day or so later & place above the inner cover so they can rob it out. Following the removal of ALL the comb from the old hive, and carefully scooping up the remaining bees (a wooden spoon seems to work excellent) leave the box 10% uncovered so the flying & crawling bees will find their way into their new hive via the top (I've found the usual landing board isn't the easiest for them to find. I'll usually use a queen excluder in the bottom to trap the queen, which is a slight deterrant for bees to 'run' into their new home since they're not used to it. If you close off the roof, the bees in flight will fly around quite a bit more before finding their new home. If you have the queen inside the hive, you should see workers line the top of the hive and blow their wings to spread the scent - they're basically saying "Hey ! The queen is over here!" By dusk, all the bees will find their way into the new hive (provided there's no honeycomb left in the old hive). or they'll be in bunches in little nooks here & there, which you'll need to use your wooden spoon to scoop up & drop into the hive (a few will likely try to sting you so wear a face-mask). That's it. Seal up the hive & take it home (move them 3 miles away or better!) If you left the job 1/2 done, I'd get back there first thing & make sure the queen hasn't taken flight (she likely won't if there's protected brood still there). Also, I wouldn't plan on eating all their honey if you plan on keeping the bees alive. They'll need a bunch of feeding to get them through the winter. (I've done this about 15 times in the last 2-3 months - ALWAYS alot of work but get's easier everytime - and ALWAYS messy). Good luck, Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO PS - Your girlfriend has the right idea. A bee-vacuum can be worth it's weight in gold on these types of situations. I usually use mine if there's power nearby - just vacuum off the bees as I pull off the comb - every last one. I'll ask the guy whom I got my designs if I can post them here - though it's made from a standard 1& 1/2 HP shop-vac and some wood boxes - regulated at the top to make sure the pressure doesn't kill the bees - which is EXTREMELY easy to do. On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:56:28 -0400, "logcabin" wrote: >We tried to remove a wild colony from an abandoned building today. The >landlord of the property said that the building was going to be destroyed in >the fall so I figured I could save them and gain some free bees. The old >saying "nothing in life is ever free" could not have applied more. I smoked >them and removed a section of dry wall on the inside of their entrance and >exposed an area 5' x 3' packed with comb(honey and brood). The mess that >followed was horrible and even after piecewise removing the comb and looking >for the queen we only netted about ~1.5lbs of bees. Hundreds got soaked >with honey as it ran in pints down my raised arms and off my elbows. I will >go back tomorrow and see if there is any clusters to steal because there >were hundreds airborne when we left. I know I walked into this with false >expectations but in searching archived posts to this group I didn't find >anyone who "actually describes" the best procedure to do this. Does anyone >have a system that works? My girlfriend joked that a weak sucking vacuum >cleaner would have been very handy. Seeing caramelized honey bees tomorrow >is not at all something that I am looking forward to. Tonight I will dream >of a 10lb swarm suspended from a single branch only 4ft off the ground to >make up for today's experience. >steve >logcabin@qaiusqa.com >(remove the q's to respond personally) > > > > Article 13801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Be hosted by the biggest beekeeping server on the Web Date: 16 Aug 1998 08:21:08 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01bdc8ee$0a47ef20$1f0e8aa4@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: orl12-31.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13801 Be hosted by the biggest beekeeping server on the Web The "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" now has 6 addresses: http://www.beekeeping.com http://www.beekeeping.org http://www.apiculture.com http://www.apicultura.com http://www.imkerei.com http://www.apiservices.com Increase your business, be present on the Net. Have your own address such as http://www.beekeeping.com/mybusiness/ Be hosted by the Web's biggest site dealing with bees : 45 hosted and famous associations, journals and companies 1 100 files 20 Mb 4.000 visits/month 1.800 loaded pages/day Visit us at http://www.beekeeping.com and contact us at webmaster@apiservices.com Best regards. Gilles RATIA Webmaster of the "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" webmaster@apiservices.com Article 13802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New and I've got honey to extract---how? Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:24:47 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <35d6daaf.58897119@news.earthlink.net> References: <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust30.tnt13.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13802 bandcnj@aol.com (Bandcnj) wrote: >I do not have an extractor or any equipment that everyone says I need. Is >there any way to extract one 6" super of honey without an extractor? Carol, A super of honey can be extracted using a tablespoon and a nylon stocking. Simply hold the frame verticle over a bucket (a narrow board over the buck helps). Starting at the bottom, use the spoon to tear away at the comb down to the foundation. Leave the foundation intact, which is actually quite easy with both wax and plastic foundation. When finished with the spoon, the super of wet foundation can be put back on the bees, and they will draw it out again when they need it. The bucket of waxy honey can be strained through a thin nylon stocking. Depending on the bucket being used, the stocking may even stretch around the rim. This isn't an ideal way to extract, but it works well for a few frames and the price is right. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 13803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998081615080600.LAA15097@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1998 15:08:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13803 The sticky board test for mites is done with a ONE DAY application of Apistan. Apistan is not my favorite company to deal with, but they do make a consistant and reliable product. Mark Fredlaufer of the USDA Beltsvill Lab just gave a report to the Western Apiculture Society on Apistan resistance as reported in Flordia. They tested many different batchs of Apistan from around the country and of different years manufacutre and the fluvalinate level in any of the samples varied by less than 1%. This myth about older strips having more active ingedient is bunk and the idea of sanding or scraping strips and reusing them is stupid false economy (Jim Bach WSDA provded this two years ago in an extensinve test). Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.20.110.210!fresh!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <19980816185559.23652.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.75.196.2] From: "Richard Davis" Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:55:58 PDT Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 52 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13804 Can anyone elaborate on the method of binding the active ingredient on the strips to the medium? Specifically, *why* does scratching the strips increase the amount of available ingredient? Heretofore, it had been my impression -- gleaned, I suppose, from the adminitions on the package to avoid handling the strips -- that the active ingredient was in the form of a coating on the surface of the plastic. But if that were true, it's hard to see how scratching them would be effective. Any kind of scratching would seem to have the effect of "aging" the strips prematurely, by removing some quantity of pesticide. But this would not be true if the pesticide is dispersed uniformly throughout the plastic. However, if the pesticide is dispersed homogenously throughout, why is it not possible to re-use the strips by abrading the surface each year? Yet the claim is also that this won't work -- that such strips aren't effective. So, how does scratching work to increase effectiveness? Does sanding with coarse sandpaper accomplish it? Are we merely trying to increase the surface area of the strip by scratching it? If so, would scratching with an awl be as good or better than sandpaper, or the "Leatherman tool saw blade", whatever that is? jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: > >beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: >>This myth about older strips having more active ingedient is bunk >>and the idea of sanding or scraping strips and reusing them >>is stupid false economy ... >>Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee > >For contrary evidence, see the article in American Bee Journal, April >1998, by Frank Eischen of USDA Weslaco bee lab. > >Their experimental study showed that the old "Section 18" strips >killed far more varroa mites than the current U.S. and European >Apistan formulations. He writes "European and U.S. Apistan appears to >be equivalent, but not as good as those old Section 18 strips." > >Furthermore, Apistan strips abraded on both sides using a Leatherman >tool saw blade killed about twice the number of mites as unabraded >strips. > >-John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 13805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:28:56 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <35d714bf.3836277@news.earthlink.net> References: <1998081615080600.LAA15097@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust2.tnt12.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13805 beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: >This myth about older strips having more active ingedient is bunk >and the idea of sanding or scraping strips and reusing them >is stupid false economy ... >Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee For contrary evidence, see the article in American Bee Journal, April 1998, by Frank Eischen of USDA Weslaco bee lab. Their experimental study showed that the old "Section 18" strips killed far more varroa mites than the current U.S. and European Apistan formulations. He writes "European and U.S. Apistan appears to be equivalent, but not as good as those old Section 18 strips." Furthermore, Apistan strips abraded on both sides using a Leatherman tool saw blade killed about twice the number of mites as unabraded strips. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 13806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: Mike Thompson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire Ants in California Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:04:36 -0500 Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 65 Message-ID: <35D72D44.83D9CE1B@flash.net> References: <35ca2186.9332816@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p170.amax19.dialup.dal1.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13806 Andy and all others having problems with fire ants. I would like to tell about a great way to rid your house, lawn, and esp garden of these insects. I have 5 mounds in one year and tried the AMDRO bit with no success. What I found was if I sprayed a mixture of one part listerine and 1/2 part liquid dishwashing soap (esp lemon flavored) over the lawn and garden the ants would be gone within a week. This is not a killer but it does chase them away. Mike Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > Ant Invasion > > Fresno > Thursday, August 06,1998 - 11:06 AM ET > > (KJEO) State officials say vicious fire ants from Texas have invaded > almond orchards in Kern and Fresno counties. > > State biologist Aurelio Posadas says 47 colonies have been spotted. He > says the ants are capable of killing calves and other small animals. > > Scientists believe the insects came to California as hitchhikers > inside beehives shipped by a Texas beekeeper. Texas bees are used by > almond growers to pollinate the blossoms on their trees. > > State officials say the invaded areas have been quarantined and they > will use insecticides to kill the ants. > > > > Added by the OLd Drone > > MORE from the past. This invasion of "fire" ants is not new as the > ants were found in the Kern county almond orchard in Feb 1998 and this > report must be considered as an admission on the part of agricultural > officials of their FAILURE to control a limited invasion of Fire Ants. > > Other Fire ants have been discovered by beekeepers in other more > northern areas of California and were destroyed by those who found > them without involving the regulatory officials. It is also a fact > that California has other so called "Fire" ants that are common but > poise no real threat to man or crops and are not involved in any > eradication efforts other then to see em then you kill em.. > > California Boarder Inspection stations are expected to make a closer > inspection of bees coming into California this fall and winter and > beekeepers should expect delays and even turn around's if "fire" ants > are discovered. These fire ants like to build mounds that will include > the bottom rungs of the pallets the bees are set on and can if the > beekeeper is not aware of the ants be loaded on the truck with the > bees. > > ttul, the OLd Drone > > For up to date news from bee keepers > & about bee keeping go to: > > http://beenet.com/bnews.htm > > (c)Permission is given to copy this document > in any form, or to print for any use. > > (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: comb honey Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:47:18 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35D76176.6940@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903296881 VRL06/YYI34F CDD2C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13807 Hi everyone, I tried for the first time having the girls make some comb honey for me this year. I just removed it today and they did a splendid job. So I'm sitting here with a plate of hot biscuits that my wife made and about a 2 lb section of honey. Besides my fingers stickkkking to the keyboard, all is well. Its been a good year here in south eastern Ontario Canada. Kent Stienburg -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 13808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heartbreaking bee experience!-reply Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:22:19 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 115 Message-ID: <35D73F7A.1A71BDF3@midtown.net> References: <35d621cf.0@news.aiusa.com> <35d64e0b.2012899@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903299346 38BMS018M6526CDA2C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13808 I had a similar experience,,,,,couldn't get at 'em and ended up putting most of them to a gooey death. It's one of those that you figure, 'there's got to be a betterway',,,but, like he said, they're messy no matter what. I would be very interested in the "beevac" plans,,hopefully "flightdeck" will be able to post them flightdeck wrote: > Very simple procedure. However, no-matter what this kind of hive will > be MESSY. No-one I know particularly likes pulling hives from > buildings. Honey & bees everywhere. But, there's a logic to follow - > by nightfall, bees will go where their queen is (or where they can > find what resembles their hive). > > I'm sure there are better ways but this is how I do it: > > Remove the comb and shake and brush the bees off their comb into their > new hive (with frames spaced apart). You'll find the queen in the > middle of the biggest clump of bees - back in some corner of the mess > you're making - so you need to be EXTRA careful not to squish anything > you can't see. DO NOT use your gloves to grab the bees, unless you > can carefully pick them up in a non-threatening manner. Otherwise, > you'll come back with a handful of stingers (i.e. one stinger = one > dead bee). Following this, I'll place a bunch of the honey on either > side of the frames (small bits inbetween). There's no science I've > read in this, but the bees need food & something to get them > acclimated to their new home. > The bad part is that instead of eating the honey, they'll likely just > waste valuable time cleaning up the imperfections of the comb and > attach it to the side of the hive. You might want to remove the comb > a day or so later & place above the inner cover so they can rob it > out. > > Following the removal of ALL the comb from the old hive, and carefully > scooping up the remaining bees (a wooden spoon seems to work > excellent) leave the box 10% uncovered so the flying & crawling bees > will find their way into their new hive via the top (I've found the > usual landing board isn't the easiest for them to find. I'll usually > use a queen excluder in the bottom to trap the queen, which is a > slight deterrant for bees to 'run' into their new home since they're > not used to it. If you close off the roof, the bees in flight will > fly around quite a bit more before finding their new home. If you > have the queen inside the hive, you should see workers line the top of > the hive and blow their wings to spread the scent - they're basically > saying "Hey ! The queen is over here!" > > By dusk, all the bees will find their way into the new hive (provided > there's no honeycomb left in the old hive). or they'll be in bunches > in little nooks here & there, which you'll need to use your wooden > spoon to scoop up & drop into the hive (a few will likely try to sting > you so wear a face-mask). That's it. Seal up the hive & take it > home (move them 3 miles away or better!) > > If you left the job 1/2 done, I'd get back there first thing & make > sure the queen hasn't taken flight (she likely won't if there's > protected brood still there). > > Also, I wouldn't plan on eating all their honey if you plan on keeping > the bees alive. They'll need a bunch of feeding to get them through > the winter. > > (I've done this about 15 times in the last 2-3 months - ALWAYS alot of > work but get's easier everytime - and ALWAYS messy). > > Good luck, > > Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO > > PS - Your girlfriend has the right idea. A bee-vacuum can be worth > it's weight in gold on these types of situations. I usually use mine > if there's power nearby - just vacuum off the bees as I pull off the > comb - every last one. I'll ask the guy whom I got my designs if I > can post them here - though it's made from a standard 1& 1/2 HP > shop-vac and some wood boxes - regulated at the top to make sure the > pressure doesn't kill the bees - which is EXTREMELY easy to do. > > On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:56:28 -0400, "logcabin" > wrote: > > >We tried to remove a wild colony from an abandoned building today. The > >landlord of the property said that the building was going to be destroyed in > >the fall so I figured I could save them and gain some free bees. The old > >saying "nothing in life is ever free" could not have applied more. I smoked > >them and removed a section of dry wall on the inside of their entrance and > >exposed an area 5' x 3' packed with comb(honey and brood). The mess that > >followed was horrible and even after piecewise removing the comb and looking > >for the queen we only netted about ~1.5lbs of bees. Hundreds got soaked > >with honey as it ran in pints down my raised arms and off my elbows. I will > >go back tomorrow and see if there is any clusters to steal because there > >were hundreds airborne when we left. I know I walked into this with false > >expectations but in searching archived posts to this group I didn't find > >anyone who "actually describes" the best procedure to do this. Does anyone > >have a system that works? My girlfriend joked that a weak sucking vacuum > >cleaner would have been very handy. Seeing caramelized honey bees tomorrow > >is not at all something that I am looking forward to. Tonight I will dream > >of a 10lb swarm suspended from a single branch only 4ft off the ground to > >make up for today's experience. > >steve > >logcabin@qaiusqa.com > >(remove the q's to respond personally) > > > > > > > > -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''Bzzzzzzzzzzz `..' Article 13809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: worker bee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble bee or Carpenter bee? Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:32:01 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35D741C1.F43834C4@earthlink.net> References: <35dac626.12762342@news.hom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust77.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: Hal Clark Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13809 The only way I can tell the difference is the size. The carpenter bee is very large, about the size of ones thumb. We have two size bumble bees here with both being much smaller than the sarpenter bee. Article 13810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Late Feeding Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:16:17 -0400 Organization: RCN Internet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6r7i96$a3f$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-245.s54.as2.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 903302246 10351 207.172.170.245 (16 Aug 1998 21:17:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13810 I started two new hives with swarms that were collected in late June. So far, they have only completed about four of the ten frames in the brood box. The weather for the past few months has been very dry, and competition with the other established hives is probably why they have not progressed too far. They are both healthy otherwise. My question is if I continue to feed them (started today) how long into the fall can I continue to feed and what are their chances of survival through the winter. Also, should I place another brood box on top this late in the season, or am I better off to leave them in one and take my chances. All my other hives overwinter in two brood boxes. Thanks for any ideas. Regards, John Article 13811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.3.65.3!news.indy.net!not-for-mail From: Mary Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: another news group? Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:34:14 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35D70A06.1540@indy.net> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip199-3-87-113.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13811 Hello, I thought I saw that there was another news group for people who keep Honey Bees as a hobby? Mary Article 13812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.BSDI.COM!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: 16 Aug 1998 23:01:49 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6r7oct$ekv@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <1998081615080600.LAA15097@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13812 Just so there is no misunderstanding about your post, Ron, what was tested? New strips from different years and different locations? Used strips? I'd hate to have someone who's not seen the thread, misread what I suspect you're saying and decide to re-use last year's strips or strips from two years ago. In a previous article, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) says: >The sticky board test for mites is done with a ONE DAY application of Apistan. > >Apistan is not my favorite company to deal with, but they do make a consistant >and reliable product. Mark Fredlaufer of the USDA Beltsvill Lab just gave a >report to the Western Apiculture Society on Apistan resistance as reported in >Flordia. They tested many different batchs of Apistan from around the country >and of different years manufacutre and the fluvalinate level in any of the >samples varied by less than 1%. This myth about older strips having more active >ingedient is bunk and the idea of sanding or scraping strips and reusing them >is stupid false economy (Jim Bach WSDA provded this two years ago in an >extensinve test). > >Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee > -- Article 13813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Darrell Laney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35D70A06.1540@indy.net> Subject: Re: another news group? Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:25:45 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.149.118.48 Message-ID: <35d7698f.0@209.149.100.15> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!newsfeed.mia.bellsouth.net!209.149.100.15!209.149.118.48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13813 alt.hobbies.beekeeping Mary Elmore wrote in message <35D70A06.1540@indy.net>... >Hello, >I thought I saw that there was another news group for people who keep >Honey Bees as a hobby? >Mary Article 13814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: another news group? Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:27:14 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35D76AD2.4859@midwest.net> References: <35D70A06.1540@indy.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903310201 .ZFUVYH4M1C1BD0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13814 Mary Elmore wrote: > > Hello, > I thought I saw that there was another news group for people who keep > Honey Bees as a hobby? > Mary There is - alt.hobbies.beekeeping But so far this one seems best able to stay on track - my opinion only. AL Article 13815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:51:28 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <35d1024a.22441871@news.earthlink.net> References: <6qqmhh$le2@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3cust134.tnt13.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13815 wrote: >I am looking for plans to build an observation hive. Does anyone know where I >can find some plans? While I don't have design drawings, you might get some ideas from the observation hive photos on my website: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Many critical dimensions are the same as a standard hive if frames are used. Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 13816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998081201301200.VAA08892@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1998 01:30:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qqmhh$le2@chronicle.concentric.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13816 You'll find the plans at the site below: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Article 13817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrclark@REMOVEhom.net (Hal Clark) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble bee or Carpenter bee? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:13:09 GMT Message-ID: <35dac626.12762342@news.hom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.12 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.12 X-Trace: 12 Aug 1998 18:00:14 -0500, 204.216.125.12 Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!204.216.126.205.MISMATCH!news.hom.net!204.216.125.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13817 I have two black bees visiting my yard in zone 8 Warner Robins Ga that I've been calling bumblebees, but noticed they are different. One has yellow on the top of the thorax only with a black shiny abdomen and hangs around during the heat of the day. Does this sound like a Carpenter Bee? The other has yellow on the top of the abdomen and the thorax and visits earlier in the morning and late afternoon. Does this one sound like a Bumble Bee? I tried to find a web site with pictures and I found carpenter bees but not bumble bees if you have an address I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Hal Article 13818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: estring6@aol.com (E String 6) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: getting bees out of an old Cottonwood tree Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998081301175000.VAA27127@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Aug 1998 01:17:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35ccb49e.68023978@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13818 Goog luck, you got your work cut out for you. Article 13819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "martin Giblin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35ca2186.9332816@news.jps.net> <35D72D44.83D9CE1B@flash.net> Subject: Re: Fire Ants in California Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:30:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.218.96.61 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:30:12 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13819 Mike Thompson wrote in message <35D72D44.83D9CE1B@flash.net>... >Andy and all others having problems with fire ants. I would like to >tell about a great way to rid your house, lawn, and esp garden of these >insects. I have 5 mounds in one year and tried the AMDRO bit with no >success. What I found was if I sprayed a mixture of one part listerine >and 1/2 part liquid dishwashing soap (esp lemon flavored) over the lawn >and garden the ants would be gone within a week. This is not a killer >but it does chase them away. > >Mike > Another non toxic answer is to treat each mound with cornmeal. I have found that diazinion or dursban grandules work well without noticeable effect on the bee colonies in my yard. Here in Texas fire ants are a major problem. Do anythink you Ag official want to stop thier spread to Calif. they are vicious little critters and can be very distructive good luck Article 13820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: Blake M Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetically engineered Bees Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:03:11 -0400 Organization: done through the use of very fuzzy logic! Lines: 124 Message-ID: <6r8gth$bo2@news-central.tiac.net> References: <01bdc7d0$888feaa0$e8c160cb@leo> NNTP-Posting-Host: blakem.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13820 Carman wrote: > Genetic engineering experiments that are being performed on farm animals ie > sheep etc are in controlled conditions, the animals are fenced, > monitored, tracked, tested. The likelihood that they would escape into > the natural environment to mate freely is fairly remote. > Bees are farmed in an entirely different way. They roam freely in our > natural environment, that is a necessary factor in their survival and > pollen/nectar collection. > Questions:- what happens when genetically engineered Bees are released > into the environment? who's going to monitor them? Who will track them? > who will be responsible for the possible outcomes if the Bees mate with > wild Bees and/or Bees from registered hives of Bee Keepers? > There are already many threats to Bees in their existing natural > environment, ie foulbrood, mites etc etc. Who wants to further risk the > survival of Bees by playing around with their DNA? AND put everyone else's > Bees at risk also. > While we're at it, once we have played around with the DNA let's patent > Bees so that they can only a limited few can have access to the wonderful > little creatures. Isn't that what DNA engineering is all about, so those > in power can alter DNA, say they've invented something new, slap a patent > on everything and own it? well, why then develop anything new? And if you cant profit from it then why do it if it costs a great amount of time and money... After the destruction of 90% of wild bee stocks in N. America, why not? And why not profit? Geez, look at the total failure of communism in the world. You don't get anything for free, you know? Look at the failures of socialism in the world today also, it proves that private industry is more efficient than those with government ties..... > Nature has taken Billions of years to perfect eco-systems microclimates > etc. Humans are destroying these in the blink of an eye. Yes the world is changing. And yes more care for the environment is needed. But it is a fallacy to believe that we live in a static system. And those that perpetuate this lie are causing harm as well. There were once dragonflies with 3-Foot wingspans? Why arnt they here now? Are we better or worse off? I don't know. And it doesn't really matter either. Because they didn't make it in the evolution race.... (now a bee w/ a 3 ft wingspan - Hmmmm) > One generation of > human kind has created such havoc it will be a miracle if the next > generation survives. Stop playing God!! Don't worry. We still havnt got the raw computing power to map the whole of the DNA yet and predict the changes, once made. Also we havnt done enough research on mapping all of the functions of each sequence in the huge chain. I think someone told me that if you took your DNA strand out of one of our cells, it would, if stretched out, go from the earth to the moon. But I could be wrong on this, however. Wait another 25 years or so, when we get some really powerful computers going. (they are increasing in power in a geometric rate, currently) We will first use them to develop customized cures for cancers through artificial viruses, I will bet.... > One further point:- No wonder the Yanks spend Billions of dollars > exploring for other planets to live on, the powers that bee know we have > limited time on this planet, we need to find new environments for ROBBING. Well, I am sorry you feel this way, you seem very angry at the modern world for some reason. It isn't wrong to continue to expand and explore. In fact it is a form of genetic immortality. If you want to feel better about this just stay near a overly full hive that generates a swarm.... Is it wrong that a bee swarm takes over and defends a hollow tree? But they might drive out a nest of field mice, or prevent a bird from nesting there. So is that bad, or evil? Or is it that they are just not homo sapiens, and this makes it O.K.? > It's urgent to find fresh planets to destroy and in the quest to destroy, > let's attack the very basis of life - DNA. That Billion dollars they just > blew up would have been better spent on researching Bio-dynamics, how to > feed the starving Millions while preserving the environment, our survival > on this planet and the restoration of Mother Nature's damaged Majesty. The first truism that you don't seem to grasp is this:"You will either have birth control or death control..." And until the rest of the world understands this we will continue to increase our population and make increasing demands on virgin land for agriculture and for living.... Here is a hypothetical question: How'd you feel if an alien species came to this world. They are faster, stronger, smarter, and have a more advanced and developed forms of art, music, weapons, and society then ours. And they needed our world for increased living room.... Oh yah and we (native Earth life) had to go to make way for them.... Gee, I'd feel really shitty if that happened. To go just like all the 3 ft dragonflies. Would Gaia cry for us? I don't think so. Does she cry for the loss of the T-Rex or the Verlocoraptors (?sp?), and the rise and fall of Cro Magnon? If we could successfully defend our self from them should we? They are better then us in every way, why resist the long cold sleep? I'd say fight. Because we should, and that's what put us on the top of the heap on this world!!! > Final question:- Where have all the common sense and ethic gone? I think that careful, controlled, experimentation is o.k. And we should continue with it. Carefully. Accidents will happen, but hopefully we will be prepared and sometimes we will not -> "Challenger, go with throttle-up." springs to mind. Do not go quietly into the night, Blake "Save a Tree, Wipe Your Ass With a Spotted Owl......" -- CUM CATAPULTAE PROSCRIPTAE ERUNT TUM SOLI PROSCRIPTI CATAPULTAS HABEBUNT. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults....) My Email address is altered due to the prevalence of bulk Email senders. To send me mail remove the * before the TIAC.NET. Article 13822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.BSDI.COM!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Life expectancy of wooden ware Date: 14 Aug 1998 20:08:21 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6r25fl$s8o@ednet2.orednet.org> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13822 Thanks to all who have chipped in so far. Let's try it from a different angle. Forget uncle sam for the time being: How long do the pros out there expect your wooden ware to be useful. I suspect there are two generally different groups of inventory: Migratory hives used primarily for pollination, subject to extra ware and tear of being moved constantly; And the hive bodies which stay at home. Getting back to the depreciation question, I have had several replies suggesting it's just too much trouble to keep track of bodies of various ages to be worth the trouble. If you were to track each piece individually, I'd agree, but computer bookkeeping systems available to all of us do a good job at keeping track of assets and calculating the immediate year's inventory costs, automatically aging prior years' stock, adding new, etc. As promised, I'll post the results of my inquiry later. --------------- Richard Yarnell, SHAMBLES WORKSHOPS | No gimmick we try, no "scientific" Beavercreek, OR. Makers of fine | fix we attempt, will save our planet Wooden Canoes, The Stack(R) urban | until we reduce the population. Let's composter, fly tying benches | leave our kids a decent place to live. -- Article 13823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1998081719340900.PAA11326@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Aug 1998 19:34:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6r9elq$2qb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13823 John was right to quote the USDA Westlaco reports from the ABJ artricle. What we have is two USDA Labs working on the same issue from two different directions. The Beltsville Lab's work was to establish that the Apistan strips from differnet production batches over the last few years of production (these were all "new" sealed packs of Apistan) contained the same amount of fluvalinate and are within the EPA-approved label specification, and they are. There has been a change (three times) in the formulation of the plasticizer used in the strips and this may account for the difference in the results from Westlaco and Beltsville that John mentioned. The scarping or sanding will change the rate of release, but not the amount of fluvalinate in the strip. The strips contain 10% by weight of fluvalinate, which is the specified dosage (note that the LD50 - the point that will kill 50% of the BEES is 18%). The newer strips are formulated to release more of the fluvalinate in the time period they are in the hive and therefor are delivering the correct dosage. This applies to all of the Apistan currently in the market and no amount of sanding/scraping will change that. The queen tab Apistan strips contain 5% fluvalinate and will kill mites in an average hive ALMOST equal to a standard strip. It is the few that are not kill by the lesser dosage in a queen strip or an altered strip that lead to resistaant mites. DO NOT MISSUSE THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU CAN SAVE A FEW BUCKS!!! Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Life expectancy of wooden ware Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998081618573700.OAA23029@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1998 18:57:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6r25fl$s8o@ednet2.orednet.org> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13824 I think you will probably find another sub category. Those that believe in painting their hives and those that do not. One line of thinking is that painted hive will retain more mosture inside the hive (very ugly condition in cold weather climates). Where as unpainted hives do not but, they also weather faster. Requiring earlier replacement. I paint my hives in the off season and expect to get 10 to 12 years of service from them. Fifteen years at the outside. Barring disease, theft, and vandalism. Note: I feel these numbers are somewhat conservative and have a direct relationship with how retentive I am as compared to others. Article 13825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998081719421400.PAA22738@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Aug 1998 19:42:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980816185559.23652.qmail@hotmail.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13825 The Apistan strips are manufactured by mixing the fluvalinate into a plasticizer material that forms a matrix. The fluvalinate is consistant throughout the material and as the fluvalinate is exposed to the atmosphere, it outgasses from the matrix and the fluvalinate in the core migrates toward the surface at a fairly constant rate. The formualtion of the plasticizer determines that outgassing rate and the new strips are designed to completely outgas in 52 days. The Section 18 strips and the strips from the first year or so of production outgassed slower than the current strips and scraping the surface of the older strips would relesase fluvalinate still bound in the strips. But seen my post in the previous subject about the misleading resluts you can get from under dosing with queen tab strips or scrapped strips. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!134.222.90.2.MISMATCH!EU.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: another news group? Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:54:42 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 20 Message-ID: <35D86052.67FD@midwest.net> References: <35D70A06.1540@indy.net> <35D76AD2.4859@midwest.net> <35D78FA0.4E04@povn.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.5.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903373037 .ZFUVYH4M0525D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13826 J. F Hensler wrote: > > Yo Al: > > I tried this address and it came back as no such group. Maybe they were > so bad that it folded? :-) > > Skip > -- > I just tried it to see - still able to retrieve messages from alt.hobbies.beekeeping There are 109 messages in the newsgroup and the wait for new postings to appear can take many days - maybe they are all out robbing their hives:) Most of the relevant messages seem to be cross-posted to sci.agriculture.beekeeping also. AL Article 13827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!134.222.90.2.MISMATCH!EU.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Late Feeding Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:02:27 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6r9npq$bk9o$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <6r7i96$a3f$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb309-33.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 17 Aug 1998 17:03:54 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/f74b7846ebc36ced X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13827 I suggest letting them go as they are presently, and using them in late Fall to requeen any of your other hives that might falter. It may be too late to feed them enough to have them occupy two full supers. If you do not have any "faltering hive" by then, uniting both into one may be the way to go. Zadigvolta@prodigy.net Article 13828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!newsr.Belgium.EU.net!not-for-mail From: "Miguel Brichant" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: another news group? Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:06:17 +0200 Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6ra6a9$5v4$1@news3.Belgium.EU.net> References: <35D70A06.1540@indy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup185.namen.eunet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13828 If you have a good knowledge of French, you can try fr.rec.apiculture and compare the contents. It's really interesting. Article 13829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA HONEY MARKET REPORTS for July 1998 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:35:40 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35d8ae5b.1620631@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.43 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.43 Lines: 22 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13829 Interested in the commercial value of honey? Want to know about bee & plant conditions in your neighbors back yard? Just want a Left Coast slant on keeping bees from someone who has been there and done that? If you answered no to at all of the above you are in the wrong news group and need to get a life after bee keeping in one of the binary picture groups with the Gropper and his friends. If you answered yes...then move over to the "Killer Bee & Worm Journal" for news as it is found, (and when we can't find it we make it up.) Try: http://beenet.com/bnews.htm ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest24@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New and I've got honey to extract---how? Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:47:37 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 36 Message-ID: <35D82669.D6D972FC@galstar.com> References: <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star0835.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13830 I used a large pan. The frame of honey was uncapped and then it was turned upside down, top of frame to the bottom, for the honey to run out, this took a couple of hours. The cappings were put into a large collander with a filter, cheese cloth, to drain. hope this helps gw Bandcnj wrote: > Hi, > > I am a very new beekeeper, my first year with > one hive, and it looks like I'll > have surplus to take my first year. Now to the > hard part. How??? > > I do not have an extractor or any equipment that > everyone says I need. Is > there any way to extract one 6" super of honey > without an extractor? And what > do I do with the wax comb in the frames? I > really don't have the money to buy > much more than a knife and jars right now. > Someone must've been in this > position when they first started out. > > I am planning to medicate in the next week or > two (I'm in NJ) so I need to come > up with a solution quickly or kiss the sweet > stuff good-by. > > Carol Article 13831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: 18 Aug 1998 01:41:11 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6ram3n$8f4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6r9elq$2qb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 903404471 8676 198.82.161.244 (18 Aug 1998 01:41:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 1998 01:41:11 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13831 In article <6r9elq$2qb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, Michael Oberle wrote: Vampire? Like varroa mites are sinister? You spewed: >If people dont wake up and stop this stupidity we are going to lose the only >defence we have against the vampires. Let's see what random can do for us with a little spin via selection, shall we? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!204.127.161.4!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive Date: 18 Aug 1998 02:49:37 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bdca52$d38cf000$c162400c@default> References: <6r2v1q$k18$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.193 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13832 IMHO. when the hive is first established. If one came with the bottom board, this should be the first piece of equipment you throw away. But perhaps there is a geographic reason for using one. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Berny wrote in article <6r2v1q$k18$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > Can anyone tell me when is the best time for removing the entrance reducer > on a newly started hive????? > > How long should it stay in place?? > > > > Article 13833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!iafrica.com!news.global.co.za!not-for-mail From: "Gerhardt Fouche" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : Agricultural products Expo Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:20:31 +0200 Organization: Global Internet Access Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6rb71q$2uh$1@osprey.global.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.49.169.205 X-Trace: osprey.global.co.za 903421818 3025 206.49.169.205 (18 Aug 1998 06:30:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@global.co.za NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 1998 06:30:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13833 I would like to announce that a range of products have been added to the online Expo that showcases products of interest to people in the broad Agricultural sector. Products featured are manufactured out of South Africa and the countries rapidly declining exchange rate offers importers and buyers some really competitive pricing. Definitely worth a look at. www.expo.co.za/agriculture.html Article 13834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.162.159.201!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Crystallized Honey Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:20:40 +0200 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6rbk59$r0r$1@news1.tele.dk> References: <1998081018441800.OAA05625@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-18.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13834 Swienty A/S has a machine that can extract this honey for you. take a look at www.swienty.com/wax.html The cappingsmelter has an electronic regulated heating source that enables you to gentle melt crystallized honey and extract it from the comb in one process. Bjorn Jkxray wrote in message <1998081018441800.OAA05625@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >I have several supers of honey which have crystallized in the comb. In the >past I have been able to extract such with my radial extractor, but not this >time. Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations/experience, other than >giving it back to the bees, on how to recover, i.e. extract such crystallised >honey without ruining the comb? Article 13835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998081814282500.KAA18957@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Aug 1998 14:28:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998081719421400.PAA22738@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13835 Resluts Ron? Were we watching the president whilest typing? Article 13836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: Donn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:06:49 -0700 Organization: RCN Internet Lines: 28 Message-ID: <35D97C69.5811@erols.com> References: <6r2v1q$k18$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <01bdca52$d38cf000$c162400c@default> Reply-To: divedonn@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-37-224.s224.tnt7.ann.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 903451801 7849 207.172.37.224 (18 Aug 1998 14:50:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13836 Don't throw it away.....I have found it is just the right size to set under the back of the hive to tilt it forward. Best use of it I have found. Donn SGeorge Styer wrote: > > IMHO. when the hive is first established. If one came with the bottom > board, this should be the first piece of equipment you throw away. But > perhaps there is a geographic reason for using one. > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > Berny wrote in article > <6r2v1q$k18$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > > Can anyone tell me when is the best time for removing the entrance > reducer > > on a newly started hive????? > > > > How long should it stay in place?? > > > > > > > > Article 13837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re NATIONAL HONEY SHOW Message-ID: <903461248@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:27:28 GMT Lines: 13 Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Ref: The National Honey Show advert in "The Beekeepers Quarterly" NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 18 Aug 1998 18:39:03 -0100, 194.112.43.78 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!demeter.clara.net!194.112.50.15.MISMATCH!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13837 The E.mail address for Revd. F Capener is no longer at amigabee.org.uk The correct e-mail address is: nathon@zbee.com Regards Steve STEVEN TURNER G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of ZBeeNet BBS. http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ Email: beeman@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 13838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Follow-Up Help with Feral Bee Capture Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:57:22 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 95 Message-ID: <35d9948d.6543351@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co65-39.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Aug 18 9:56:24 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13838 this is a follow-up reply to "Heartbreaking Bee Experience" by Doug - perhaps others can add their expertise on better ways to hive feral bees. ------------------------------------------------------------- Let me say that I'm very glad to help. I appreciate your reply as it's almost like "being there" and the fun of the 'catch' is one of the reasons why I pull feral hives. Funny how the bees didn't go after the queen. Probably because you put on the hive-top after trapping the queen in the queen cage. Next time, leave it wide-open. You want the other bees to locate her. They'll fly in circles everywhere (you WANT this to happen - better this than clumped together on the old wall) and then they'll start dropping down into the hive (provided the queen is exposed enough - open up the frames a good 2-3"). You SHOULD see some of the bees on top of the hive with their tails in the wind, fanning the queen's scent to the outside. Let them do their fly-by thing and then by dusk you should find them all inside the hive - just replace the top & screen the front & off you go. I'm wondering if the other reason why you didn't get the others into the hive is because they couldn't smell her. Likely because of the top but it could be because Pheremone wears off of queens older than 2 years (or so I've read). This MIGHT be an indication to replace the queen. I've replaced the queens in roughly 1/4 the swarms & hives I've caught this year - and haven't regretted it once. The lay RIGHT away & seem to run a fitter hive - more comb faster, bees buzzing about everywhere; whereas the ones I gave a chance to seemed to 'linger', not really doing much - until I give up & replace the queens. BWeaver (for Buckfast) hasbeen my source, but you should find a decent winter-hardy supplier (New-World Carnolians?) close to you if needed. Also, I know it's intimidating to see all these bees flying everywhere, bouncing off your facemask and such, but if you're fully suited with good leather gloves - next time you see the clump together there, carefully step up to them (try not to breathe on them - the CO2 makes them angry) and lift them (SLOWLY!!!) while sort of scraping the wall with the edge of your hand. You'll end up with a pile of bees in your hands buzzing like heck, & the first minute you'll be telling yourself "What am I doing? DROP THE BEES & RUN! RUN! RUUUNNNN!" - don't worry, remember you're suited up & it's unlikely they can get to you. Carefully drop them (place them?) into the hive from a low 'drop'. Unless they're really pissed, they won't sting the gloves very much - unless you squish some - or if you move too quickly. I usually talk to them a bit - which seems to calm them & me. When I operate smoothly and efficiently, less will die from stinging me & I'll getthe job done in a hurry. Good luck with your second hive! Let me know how you do & the specifics! Today, I'm going out to pick up at least one hive & start on another. Yesterday I cracked open someone's soffet when they called about bees going in & out of their roof. 3-banded Italians, though these were the angriest bunch of Italians I've ever seen - "non-stop stinging session" or so they thought. I only opened up the soffet's & exposed the comb as it was getting too late (you generally want to remove the comb around 3-6pm, giving the bees about 2-3 hours of daylight to find their new home after you leave - coming back at dusk). Today will be simple, just vacuum up the bees & cut off the comb. Here's something you'll want to do with your comb - go buy empty frames and some thin COTTON string (or some rubber bands). Using a sharp knife & cutting board (out of the sun!) cut the comb to match the frames & then lower the frame to the comb. Using your knife (long), carefully lift the entire mess 1/4" or so while you wrap the entire comb 5 or 6 times with the string. Tie it off & straighten the frame without letting the comb fall out. You now have a frame which will get the bees off to a super-start. With about 10 of these, you'll have most of a good-hive (probably necessary for the bees at this time of year - though ALOT of work). A few hours of this will save the hive a month of collecting. I've used large rubber bands as well, so long as they're fairly tight in holding up the comb. In about 10 days, go out & cut off the string or rubber bands & unwrap them one at a time - frame by frame. By then the bees will have attached thecomb to the frame -though they'll likely NOT appreciate you removing the string -they usually try to sting me because they get caught up in the strands of cotton when I remove it. My 2'nd hive to remove today is in an OLD cottonwood.....very dangerous, but I can't help myself. I'll let you know if I get started there. Matthew P.S. - I'll likely post MY message to you in the bee-group in case it helps others. If you get the urge, please post a follow-up of what you experienced with your first ferla hive-pulling on the newsgroup. I'm sure there are plenty of people (new & old beekeepers) whom will appreciate the story. Article 13839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New and I've got honey to extract---how? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:27:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6rcvok$r3d$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port21.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13839 bandcnj@aol.com (Bandcnj) wrote: >Hi, >I am a very new beekeeper, my first year with one hive, and it looks like I'll >have surplus to take my first year. Now to the hard part. How??? >I do not have an extractor or any equipment that everyone says I need. Is >there any way to extract one 6" super of honey without an extractor? And what >do I do with the wax comb in the frames? I really don't have the money to buy >much more than a knife and jars right now. Someone must've been in this >position when they first started out. >I am planning to medicate in the next week or two (I'm in NJ) so I need to come >up with a solution quickly or kiss the sweet stuff good-by. >Carol Just crush the comb and put it in your washing machine. Put it on the spin cycle and the honey will come right out! Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 13840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Craig Hennessey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What's the best size for a hive? Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:38:23 -0700 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc3s41.intergate.bc.ca Message-ID: <35d9f460.0@carrera> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.vphos.net!news.bctel.net!carrera!tc3s41.intergate.bc.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13840 Hi, I've got 1 hive that is made up of 3 deep supers and 1 shallow.. There is 1 full deep super and about another full super spread between the other two deep supers. I have no bees in the shallow super. What i was wanting to do was to make it into 2 hives each having 1 deep super and 1 or 2 shallow supers.. I would keep a shallow super's honey for myself and leave the bees the rest. Is one deep super enough? would it be better with two deep supers? Any information is appreciated! Craig. Article 13841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35DA09A2.603D127D@jps.net> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:09:23 -0700 From: Daniel Kiehnle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New and I've got honey to extract---how? References: <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6rcvok$r3d$1@news1.Radix.Net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.113.52 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.113.52 Lines: 12 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.63.113.52 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13841 > Just crush the comb and put it in your washing machine. > Put it on the spin cycle and the honey will come right out! > > Greg Yes, along with detergent residue, and the possibility that her washing machine will never work correctly again once the crushed bits of beeswax get into the internal lint filter, pump and drain. NOT a good idea. Article 13842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heartbreaking bee experience! Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998081711071201.HAA22571@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Aug 1998 11:07:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35d621cf.0@news.aiusa.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13842 >"nothing in life is ever free" could not have applied more. I Well it can be free and profitable !! the only way to do this guys is with a vac i've done it both ways and can tell you without a doubt that when you vac them off the comb its the ultimate best way !!! Btw my daughter and I won first place at the North Carolina Beekeepers Convention for our bee Vac. Brushy Mountain Bee Farm has stated an intrest in selling them in their catalog ,it'll work with any type of vaccum cleaner that has a hose and will definately cost under a hundred bucks. i've removed bees from barns, houses, trees even occupied houses. once you have a vac its a breeze. if i can bee of any help to you more please mail me l8r HK johnson Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest24@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heartbreaking bee experience! Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:43:43 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 52 Message-ID: <35D8257E.A761AED2@galstar.com> References: <35d621cf.0@news.aiusa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star0835.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13843 My son and I did the very same thing that you did, take bees out of a wall. Except we did use a vaccume cleaner to cage our bees in. I made a catcher for the bees so they were not just sucked into a vaccume cleaner. This worked GREAT. I even had a queen catcher handy and could then control the Queen. We split the hive into 4 hives, Nuc's, we only lost 1 nuc. Good luck. gw logcabin wrote: > We tried to remove a wild colony from an > abandoned building today. The > landlord of the property said that the building > was going to be destroyed in > the fall so I figured I could save them and gain > some free bees. The old > saying "nothing in life is ever free" could not > have applied more. I smoked > them and removed a section of dry wall on the > inside of their entrance and > exposed an area 5' x 3' packed with comb(honey > and brood). The mess that > followed was horrible and even after piecewise > removing the comb and looking > for the queen we only netted about ~1.5lbs of > bees. Hundreds got soaked > with honey as it ran in pints down my raised > arms and off my elbows. I will > go back tomorrow and see if there is any > clusters to steal because there > were hundreds airborne when we left. I know I > walked into this with false > expectations but in searching archived posts to > this group I didn't find > anyone who "actually describes" the best > procedure to do this. Does anyone > have a system that works? My girlfriend joked > that a weak sucking vacuum > cleaner would have been very handy. Seeing > caramelized honey bees tomorrow > is not at all something that I am looking > forward to. Tonight I will dream > of a 10lb swarm suspended from a single branch > only 4ft off the ground to > make up for today's experience. > steve > logcabin@qaiusqa.com > (remove the q's to respond personally) Article 13844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Amschel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New and I've got honey to extract---how? Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:37:44 +0000 Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 39 Message-ID: <01HW.B1FF8888000AAF0701303010@news.pe.net> References: <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp29.pe.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 903494072 10698 207.49.162.32 (19 Aug 1998 02:34:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 1998 02:34:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Hogwasher 1.03 Demo (Macintosh) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13844 Everyone knows that the honey will flow out of the comb by gravity after the cell tops are raked open. So, you can rake open the frames of honeycomb with a fork (Itake it you are usine Langstroth frames) and set them upside down over something that the honey can drip into for collection, or you can cut out the ripe, capped comb with a knife and put the honeycomb in a clean pillowcase and it will gravity out of that into your container and it will be filtered at the same time. ' The frames are then replaced in the hive where the bees will clean them up and refill them. There are groovy solar extractors diagrammed on the net in case you get so much wax that you want to get some beeswax too. Beeswax is more valuable, per pound, than honey. On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:18:14 +0000, Bandcnj wrote (in message <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com>): > > Hi, > > I am a very new beekeeper, my first year with one hive, and it looks like > I'll have surplus to take my first year. Now to the hard part. How??? > > I do not have an extractor or any equipment that everyone says I need. Is > there any way to extract one 6" super of honey without an extractor? And > what do I do with the wax comb in the frames? I really don't have the money > to buy much more than a knife and jars right now. Someone must've been in > this position when they first started out. > > I am planning to medicate in the next week or two (I'm in NJ) so I need to > come up with a solution quickly or kiss the sweet stuff good-by. > > Carol Article 13845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!feed.nntp.acc.ca!nntpgate.globalserve.net!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!news.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Scott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetically engineered Bees Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:45:22 -0400 Organization: BrightNet Ohio Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6rdos2$n4n$1@cletus.bright.net> References: <01bdc7d0$888feaa0$e8c160cb@leo> <6r8gth$bo2@news-central.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dark-cas2-cs-11.dial.bright.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13845 Dear readers After reading your posts on the subject of genetically engineered bees, there is little I can add. However there are two thoughts I have on this subject. 1. We have six thousand years of recorded history of man tinkering around with anything he could lay his hands on, and we still none the less have advanced and are not worse off for it. 2. If the scientists can make a better bee for me so be it , I'm all for it. I would like a bee as big as my thumb,with no stinger just a bite to protect its hive, that makes cells the size of shot glasses, where when you take the honey off you measure it by how many gallons to the hive is produced. I don't think I'm asking to much of them. With best regards and a happy harvest Dennis Scott Article 13846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetically engineered Bees Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:59:37 GMT Organization: Sporadic Message-ID: <35e17dcd.1792818@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <01bdc7d0$888feaa0$e8c160cb@leo> <6r8gth$bo2@news-central.tiac.net> <6rdos2$n4n$1@cletus.bright.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-84.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 30 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-84.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13846 On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:45:22 -0400, "Dennis Scott" wrote: > Dear readers > > After reading your posts on the subject of genetically engineered >bees, there is little I can add. However there are two thoughts I have on >this subject. > 1. We have six thousand years of recorded history of man tinkering around >with anything he could lay his hands on, and we still none the less have >advanced and are not worse off for it. But this has been done by crossing like with like, and letting the bees do what comes naturally. > 2. If the scientists can make a better bee for me so be it , I'm all for >it. I would like a bee as big as my thumb,with no stinger just a bite to >protect its hive, that makes cells the size of shot glasses, where when you >take the honey off you measure it by how many gallons to the hive is >produced. I don't think I'm asking to much of them. > Good thinking, but when they add a gene from a donkey, to enable the bee to carry more, imagine the noise of 30,000 bees going 'Hee-haw'. When they add a gene from a swallow, to enable the bee to fly better, what'll we do when they all fly south for the winter? especially if they don't come back; but then we could always add the 'homing' gene from pigeons..... -- Kidney John kj@jaf.nildramNO_SPAM.co.uk Article 13847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: bacafe@earthlink.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raw Beeswax Wanted Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:08:49 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6rc1th$3p1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <01bdb76b$0b5140e0$03bcd8cc@SIGNUP.CTS.COM> <35be5e34.143760491@news.idt.net> <35BFD509.AC5897F5@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.70.232.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 18 14:08:49 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13847 In article <35BFD509.AC5897F5@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose wrote: > Hubert the Pubert wrote: > > > On 25 Jul 1998 01:24:52 GMT, "Sharon" wrote: > > > > >I plan to set up a small beeswax refining operation in the Southern > > >California area. I am looking for sources of raw beeswax, preferably in > > \ Hi Bill, I've got 35 pound blocks of excellent Dakota beeswax. The white clover is very light, and it's fresh from the wax melter. might contain a few bee parts! : ) I expect to generate several thousand pounds this year... Wax is in North Dakota so freight would apply. Let me know if I can help you with raw wax supply. Jim Shepard email me at bacafe@earthlink.net ============================== -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Breeds Lines: 49 Message-ID: <1998081318403200.OAA09734@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Aug 1998 18:40:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35d2d87f.1040779@news.northcom.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13848 >Is there a listing anywhere of the breeds of bees? A webpage or FAQ >that discusses the pros and the cons of each breed? There's plenty in print about the "races" of honeybee and much less about particular, purchaseable strains and hybrids. Chapter 2 (pp. 4-12) of Mark L. Winston's *The Biology of the Honey Bee* (Harvard UP, 1987), for example, tells you in straight-forward manner everything a beekeeper might need to know about the four main European "races" and the six most important African "races" of Apis mellifera, and an admission of the general lack of information about the so-called "Oriental" (Near Eastern) "races" of honey bee, as well as very concise, yet interesting information re the four other SPECIES of the genus Apis. The literature uniformly suggests that for most purposes an Italian (A. mellifera ligustica Spin.) or Italian hybrid has the best overall qualities for N.American use, though the Carnolians (A. mellifera carnica Pollman) and their hybrids are of particularly gentle disposition, though they swarm more readily than the Italians. >I have two hives and would like to requeen next spring but am lost at >the choices I have. I hope someone can enlighten me. If you're wanting to know more about specific hybrids or strains that are for sale from one but not another breeder/supplier, most of the available literature seems to be trying to sell you on what the writer has for sale rather than giving you untainted information. Better to check around with other beekeepers in your area for their opinions and experience since some bees are better than another for a particular area's conditions. In the USA, check with your county Agricultural Extension agent for his/her input, or check with professors of apiculture at your state university's school of agriculture. And easiest of all, if you have been doing it over time, keep current with the various beekeeping journals, where you will learn about the response of the various bee strains to pathogens and paracites. No FAQs can possibly substitute for the longterm accumulation of knowledge and experience. After all, everyone has an opinion to foist on you. And each person's experience seems to suggest far more absolute conclusions than could possibly be generalized to others' apiaries. Read everything. Talk to everybody. Then trust yourself to make your own decisions and take your own chances. ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 13849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any Bee-Groups in Colorado? Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:01:42 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35da96b9.7100220@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co65-39.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Aug 18 10:00:43 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13849 Hi, Just looking to see if there's any beekeeping groups in Colorado? If anyone here knows of one, please post as I'd like to exchange stories & info - plus we're a bit far from most of the package-bee & woodware resources, so a group purchase might come in handy. Matthew Westall in Castle Rock, Colorado Article 13850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cypherpunk@usa.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can honey go "hard"? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:17:28 GMT Organization: Sweet CodeWarriors!! Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6reqa8$khj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 163.31.252.77 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 19 15:17:28 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13850 Greetings: I was once told by a beekeeping friend of mine that honey NEVER goes bad. he explained that though it may crystalize, it has not gone "bad". It can be re-melted and be as good as new. I recently came across a sealed glass jar of honey that was several years old. Oddly enough, it was only partially crytalized. When I openned the jar, there was a large hissing sound which let me know that some form of gas had built up inside the jar over time. There was also a vague scent of "alcohol". I reheated the jar as my friend had explained and sure enough it melted down just fine. But again, there is a definite scent of alchohol. I recall that the Ancients used to make a drink called Meed which I was basically fermented honey. So my question is this: is it possible that my honey has gone "hard" like apple cider sometimes does? Is it still safe to use? What if any ill-effects might result from its use? Thank you very much for your assistance! -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's the best size for a hive? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:30:13 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6rf5me$5st6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <35d9f460.0@carrera> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb309-26.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 19 Aug 1998 18:31:42 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/1e7c998e22db0dfe X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13851 It depends quite a lot on where you are located. In New England, we normally need a hive composed of two deep supers because of our harsh winters. In other areas of a milder climate, one super could be enough with shallows above. You might investigate the usage of the Illinois super which is slightly deeper than a shallow super. I use three Illinois supers for one hive. A filled deep super is quite heavy for older people whereas the Illinois is just right. Article 13852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can honey go "hard"? Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998081919413300.PAA04845@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:41:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6reqa8$khj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13852 > >So my question is this: is it possible that my honey has gone "hard" like >apple cider sometimes does? Is it still safe to use? What if any ill-effects >might result from its use? > What happens is when the honey crystalizes the remaining honey gets diluted to the point where it ferments a bit because the crystalized part gives off water to the liquid part and all kinds of yeasts are present in the honey. After you re-liquefy it it tastes a bit "off" As far as being harmfull I don't know of anyone who has gotten sick from it. Most folks prefer fresh unfermented honey though. So when your honey crystalizes and half is solid half liquid -warm it up a bit and use it up before it ferments. Article 13853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35D998DF.27581153@jps.net> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:08:16 -0700 From: Daniel Kiehnle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: gwest24@galstar.com Subject: Re: New and I've got honey to extract---how? References: <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com> <35D82669.D6D972FC@galstar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.113.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.113.45 Lines: 35 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.63.113.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13853 > > I am a very new beekeeper, my first year with > > one hive, and it looks like I'll > > have surplus to take my first year. Now to the > > hard part. How??? Carol, I'm sure there is a beekeeper's association in your area. Look for it by calling the fire department, pest control companies or the agricultural extension service in your area. When you're in contact with the association, they can help by either suggesting an easy way to extract the honey, or put you in touch with a beekeeper nearby who would extract the honey for you, perhaps for a small fee. If you dicover there is no local association, there will likely be a beekeeper nearby that will lend a hand. Besides, you'll meet someone new, and probably build a friendship that'll allow for a bit of, "brain picking" from time to time. Alternately, you could just remove the comb from the frames, crush it over a five-gallon bucket with a nylon paint strainer secured over the top, let the honey drain through, bottle it. then take the wax, melt it in a low temp oven in a pan, remove and separate from the excess honey that'll be there too, then remelt it and make candles. If I had a scanner, I'd tell you how to build an extractor for about $30.00. It's electric, and it works great. let me see what I can come up with for plans, and I'll post them to the group. Meanwhile, I've got to go see about removing some bees from a house without removing the siding. Found the answer in the, "ABC & XYZ of Bee Culture" a great book which is instructive and informative. Your local library should have a copy. Dan Kiehnle, Vashon Island, Washington Article 13854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:28:00 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 50 Message-ID: <6r9elq$2qb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn18-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 17 9:28:10 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13854 >> There are lots of interpretations to Varroa mite control utilizing Apistan. >> The best one is to score the strips to allow more of the active ingredient to >> emerge, thus killing more mites. Since there is not much research funding >> available for varroa control, this area of honey bee management remains a >> mystery. But isn't that why you like bees anyway? >> > >The product should be used according to the manufacturers directions. The >release rate of the apistan into the hive is optimized to deliver the >optimum dose of miticide. To much delivery and you expose the bees to >increased levels of miticide and you risk depleting the pesticide before >mites in sealed brood cells hatch. Then when they do hatch, the less than >lethal dose remaining will select for resistance. > >If the release rate is too low you will also select for resistance. No >doubt, if the manufacturer of Apistan had desired a higher or lower >release rate, the product could have been engineered accordingly. The >could just have easily larger thinner strips or smaller thicker strips, as >well as reformulated the plastic composition to affect the dosage rate. > >If someone wants to experiment with Apistan dosing rates, the studies >should be conducted in a scientific manner with sufficient data gathering >to properly interpret results. This is beyond the capability or desire of >most beekeepers and should best be left for the trained scientists. > If people dont wake up and stop this stupidity we are going to lose the only defence we have against the vampires. What are we going to do when apistan no longer controls the mites? Reuse and scratching the surfaces of the strips to change the dosing is just plain stupid. This is how we created the antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria and a host of other resistant pests like the rats that are resistant to warfarin. People are working on alternatives but what if they dont get them to market before the apistan collapse. We must do all we can to extend the life of apistan. It is currently our only defence against the vampire mites. Please use it according to the dosing directions on the package. I love my bees and I plan on making a living on them. Lets not kill the goose that lays the golden eggs by being penny smart and pound foolish. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Article 13855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: cypherpunk@usa.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can honey go "hard"? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:34:00 GMT Organization: CodeWarriors -- with a buzz Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6rfqto$rja$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6reqa8$khj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998081919413300.PAA04845@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 163.31.254.11 To: beecrofter@aol.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 20 00:34:00 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13855 Thank you for your response. Does refrigerating honey having an special effects (either beneficial or detrimental)? For example, now that I have re-liquified my jar, would it be a good idea to keep it in the 'frig to slow down any continued fermentation? In article <1998081919413300.PAA04845@ladder03.news.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > > > >So my question is this: is it possible that my honey has gone "hard" like > >apple cider sometimes does? Is it still safe to use? What if any ill-effects > >might result from its use? > > > > What happens is when the honey crystalizes the remaining honey gets diluted to > the point where it ferments a bit because the crystalized part gives off water > to the liquid part and all kinds of yeasts are present in the honey. > After you re-liquefy it it tastes a bit "off" > As far as being harmfull I don't know of anyone who has gotten sick from it. > Most folks prefer fresh unfermented honey though. > > So when your honey crystalizes and half is solid half liquid -warm it up a bit > and use it up before it ferments. > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: another news group? Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 07:25:02 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <17FB66850S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <35D70A06.1540@indy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13856 Mary Elmore writes: >I thought I saw that there was another news group for people who keep >Honey Bees as a hobby? Although it's not a newsgroup (it's a LISTSERV list), the granddaddy of the beekeeping discussion groups is BEE-L, hosted at the University at Albany, NY. To subscribe to BEE-L send a single line of mail to: LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu that reads: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L your name Sincerely, Aaron Morris BEE-L Owner/Editor Article 13857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie Wise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracter RPM Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:35:20 -0500 Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6rfu8u$ou9$1@news.iquest.net> References: <35D3B891.53CC@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-005-25.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13857 As fast as my husband's arm can go! ;) Julie Kent Stienburg wrote in message <35D3B891.53CC@kingston.net>... >Hi everyone, > >Does anyone know the RPM of their extracter? I just finished making a >six frame radial and I was targeting around 300-400 RPM. The RPM will >help me decide whether to just gear it down or put variable speed >control. Thanks > >Kent Stienburg >Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 13858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Balling Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:34:04 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35DB992B.598E@galstar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13858 The other night, it was very dark and hot. I drove out to a hive location. The hive has a double brood box with two five inch supers on top. Well I was amazed to see so many of the bees on the landing area. When I went for a closer inspection the bees had made two large clusters that blocked some of the entrance space. I sprayed the landing area and clusters with with sugar water. All of the bees except the clusters, ball, went back into the hive. I then took a brush and tried to seprate one of the clusters, balls. They would not seprate. They hung onto one another. I have never seen this activity. What was I looking at besides a cluster, ball, of bees??? What were they doing??? :-0 Article 13859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New and I've got honey to extract---how? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:14:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6re966$81h$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <1998081523181400.TAA01479@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6rcvok$r3d$1@news1.Radix.Net> <35DA09A2.603D127D@jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port4.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13859 Daniel Kiehnle wrote: >> Just crush the comb and put it in your washing machine. >> Put it on the spin cycle and the honey will come right out! >> >> Greg >Yes, along with detergent residue, and the possibility that her washing machine will >never work correctly again once the crushed bits of beeswax get into the internal >lint filter, pump and drain. >NOT a good idea. Tune in next week for how to process beeswax in the wife's micowave oven. I was being facetious. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 13860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!uunet!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.BSDI.COM!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracter RPM Date: 20 Aug 1998 16:26:52 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6rhioc$4ar@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6rfu8u$ou9$1@news.iquest.net> <35D3B891.53CC@kingston.net> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13860 Ah, yes, and the longer the better. But: Don't start out too fast. Consider the weight. Until some of the honey has been drained from the foundation, too much speed too soon can pop the foundation out of the frame or, if it's wax foundation, cause the cells to collapse altogether. Be kind to yourself and the frames, work up to the high speeds. In a previous article, macaw@iquest.net ("Julie Wise") says: >As fast as my husband's arm can go! ;) >Kent Stienburg wrote in message <35D3B891.53CC@kingston.net>... >>Does anyone know the RPM of their extracter? -- Article 13861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@zbee.com (Peter Hutton) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: geneticall engineered bees Message-ID: <903565343@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:14:10 GMT Lines: 32 Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 4263b926 REPLY: 240:44/0 490f1c12 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(395) NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 20 Aug 1998 17:11:22 -0100, 194.112.43.78 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-tele!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!peter.hutton Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13861 Gruezy Eric, I learnt recently of the publication of research work on Genetic manipulation in honeybees to control either Varroa or Acarapis, I have written to the publisher requesting a copy and permission to translate into english from the original german. This evening by chance I am reading of all the requests to release genetic manipulated organisms into the environment. If you are interested the website is that of Sheffield University here in the UK and it's URL is http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/doe/market.html On our local radio here in the Grafschaft Kent it was today announced that some genetically modified (herbicide resistant) oilseed rape will be grown next season for experimental purposes. Also it was announced that at the end of the experiment all the material will be destroyed, I expect that if the pollen is viable then there will be some genetic transferance to the seed by pollinating bees. Anyone objecting to the experiment has to so do within a fortnight. There are a number things to remember with GM which you have rightly pointed out, in nature it occurs constantly, in industry it is costly and has to make good returns on investment, whether it is necessary, ethical or indeed whether it poses dangers as yet unforseen remain to be learnt. If you take as an example, the gene producing an insecticidal toxin produced naturally within one plant and introduce it into another might it not generate he toxin in the pollen and nectar as well as elsewhere in the sap and cells of the new host plant, If it is then in the pollen will it not damage beneficial as well as predating insects and where will the harm stop. --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 13862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee keeping in Woodland Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1998082020354000.QAA19718@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Aug 1998 20:35:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6rgudd$efu$2@mendelevium.btinternet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13862 From: "John Evans" <> Southeastern US beekeepers depend on woodland, as the first spring feed for the bees is mostly hardwoods -- maple, tupelo, wild plum, huckleberry, holly, etc. As the mixed forests are logged off, (and usually replaced with uniform pine stands), the beekeeper has to choose whether to replace the lost spring feed with syrup, or wait until the later blooming berries and let the bees build up on what was once their honey crop. Your question is quite general. Do you have specific interests? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to requeen Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:43:05 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6ri1a1$jju$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d124.dial-5.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 20 Aug 1998 20:35:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13863 When is the best time to requeen? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!demos!carrier.kiev.ua!glukr!bear.skif.net!not-for-mail From: "blanki" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beetest Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:12:02 +0200 Organization: blanki Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6ri48r$7ot$1@bear.skif.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: backfire.dol.donetsk.ua X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13864 beetest Article 13866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.giganews.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35D3CDD1.F40952C4@teleport.com> From: Paul Cauthorn Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com Organization: Cascadia Hop Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fs: honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 05:26:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.106.140.26 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:26:21 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13866 For sale: 30-40 Barrels of extra-light Amber honey available near Eugene, Oregon. Article 13867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom S Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracter RPM Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:23:30 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3d$tDFAijL11EwSI@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <35D3B891.53CC@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 903182674 nnrp-07:2024 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21YttL9sqXFXL3gFPzam1PjvOw> Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13867 In article <35D3B891.53CC@kingston.net>, Kent Stienburg writes >Hi everyone, > >Does anyone know the RPM of their extracter? I just finished making a >six frame radial and I was targeting around 300-400 RPM. The RPM will >help me decide whether to just gear it down or put variable speed >control. Thanks > What is the diameter?? Is it radial or tangential?? -- Tom S Article 13868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!206.165.113.230.MISMATCH!nntpX.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Food safety Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998081517020700.NAA08403@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 1998 17:02:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <553685732496.6919113418@msgidabcxyz.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13868 Wait! Wait! Wait! Peter. I think I can find the deed to that recently found, almost guaranteed habitable planet. Or is that guaranteed to become inhabitable planet that I purchaced from my alien abductors 2.5 dracmars ago. No maybe it's the body by Jake exercise equipment I have for sale. Oh what the heck man - keep the economy. But remember how to spell it. Drop the e and it's just another Con - O - MY! Article 13869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: jpegs of bees? Date: 16 Aug 1998 08:19:37 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 29 Message-ID: <01bdc8ed$d38bc9c0$1f0e8aa4@toshiba> References: <6r51d6$feu$2@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: orl12-31.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13869 Try the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" at: http://www.beekkeping.com/goodies/gallery.htm (\ ______ {((O8< _______________________ (/ Gilles RATIA International Beekeeping Consultant Webmaster of the "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" APISERVICES Beekeeping Development "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 Fax: +33 (0)5 53 05 44 57 Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com Web: http://www.beekeeping.com and http://www.beekeeping.org and http://www.apiculture.com and http://www.apicultura.com and http://www.imkerei.com and http://www.apiservices.com _________________________________________ Article 13870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!psinntp!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!grolier!not-for-mail From: "Franįois PINCE" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: vends livres anciens ABEILLES-APICULTURE Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:33:06 +0200 Organization: Grolier Interactive Europe Lines: 181 Message-ID: <35D83F22.C392CF17@club-internet.fr> Reply-To: pincef@club-internet.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: toulouse8-249.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: front6.grolier.fr 903364413 5733 195.36.128.249 (17 Aug 1998 14:33:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 1998 14:33:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:55 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13870 vends livres anciens ABEILLES-APICULTURE * La cire, son histoire, sa production, ses falsifications (Genčve 1911, T-W Cowan) 200 FRF * La merveilleuse loi de la grappe (Tarbes 1949, H Muller, envoi autographe signé) 200 FRF * Les travaux de l'apiculteur (1941, J Hurpin) 150 FRF * Construction de la ruche mixte en tronc d'arbre (C Cauneille, 32 pages, autographe) 100 FRF * Ruche claustrante et méthode claustrale (1905, J-M et J-B Gouttefangeas) 200 FRF * La ruche gratte ciel ā plusieurs reines (Abbaye de Notre Dame des Dombes, 1946, le pčre M Dugat) 50 FRF * Le systčme Dadant en apiculture (Québec 1922, C-P Dadant, envoi de Dadant) 400 FRF * Vie et moeurs des abeilles (1951, M Mathis, collection Payot) 200 FRF * Chasse et capture des abeilles dans les 5 parties du monde (Presbytčre de Bagnoles, 1953, J Sirera) 400 FRF * La chasse aux abeilles : comment recueillir des essaims (A Marty, plaquette de 47 pages) 25 FRF * Les produits de la ruche, les hydromels bouquetés (1927, A Caillas, chez l'auteur) 500 FRF * Les maladies des abeilles et leur traitement (C Leblois, plaquette de 30 pages) 25 FRF * Les maladies des abeilles (1951, C Toumanoff) 200 FRF * Maladies des abeilles (Nice 1928, J Baldensperger) 150 FRF * La santé de l'abeille (1982, 6 fasicules bimestriels) 100 FRF * La santé de l'abeille (1981, 4 fasicules bimestriels) 50 FRF * Les ennemis des abeilles (Hanoï 1939, C Toumanoff, envoi de l'éditeur) 400 FRF * Le venin d'abeille (1951, le docteur J-P Bonimond, 72 pages) 100 FRF * La vie des abeilles solitaires (1948, R Hardouin, 8čme édition) 100 FRF * L'esprit des abeilles (1938, J Franįon) 50 FRF * Biologie des abeilles (1942, M Caullery) 100 FRF * Le mystčre des abeilles (1921, E Evrard) 100 FRF * Du miel en abondance : les méthodes et systčmes (1940, C Arnould) 200 FRF * Les trésors d'une goutte de miel (1910, A Caillas, envoi autographe signé) 50 FRF * Sélection des abeilles : élevage de reines de choix (1941, J Hurpin) 100 FRF * Introduction et renouvellement des reines fécondées (1944, C Durand, plaquette de 47 pages) 50 FRF * L'abeille toulousaine : plantes mellifčres de la flore de Toulouse et du Bassin Pyrénéen (Albi 1893, l'abbé Dasque, 30 pages) 50 FRF * L'abeille et son travail (1946, A Brisset et H Brisson, 2 tomes) 350 FRF * L'abeille, son adaptation au travail (R Moreaux, plaquette de 76 pages) 50 FRF * Un rucher naît (R Alphandéry, trčs illustré) 400 FRF * La cité des abeilles (1942, M Lassalle) 100 FRF * La véritable maničre de multiplier les abeilles (A Lombard) 50 FRF * Livret scolaire d'apiculture en 10 leįons (1922, G-M Haure, plaquette de 67 pages) 50 FRF * L'ABCD de l'apiculteur mobiliste (1895, C Conze, 23 pages) 100 FRF * Manufacture de matériel apicole Casimir Combi (1935, catalogue de 20 pages) 100 FRF * Manufacture de ruches et outillage apicole Cuviller (1943, catalogue de 36 pages) 100 FRF * Etablissements d'apiculture Mont Jovet (1939, catalogue de 67 pages) 150 FRF * Une civilisation du miel : les indiens Guayakis du Paraguay (1939, J Vellard) 200 FRF * Les récréations de l'apiculteur (1921, E Alphandéry, illustrations d'Edouard Leverd) 300 FRF * La gazette apicole (trentaine de numéros) 300 FRF * Encyclopédie apicole (1945-1948, E Alphandéry, J.B. Baillličre, 4 tomes) 1 000 FRF * Bibliographie d'apiculture en langue franįaise (1983, C de Casteljau) 200 FRF * Les tours de main de l'apiculteur (A. Marty, chez l'auteur, 100 pages) 50 FRF * Livres in octavo reliés regroupant les Bulletins mensuels d'Apiculture pour la Suisse Romande (années 1879 ā 1896 soit 17 tomes, part du numéro 1) 3 000 FRF Article 13871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: storing drawn frames? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:47:08 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <35d9948d.6543351@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool042-max7.ds17-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: paul X-ELN-Date: Thu Aug 20 15:47:20 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13871 Hi, Here in southern California the wax moths are busy all year round and if I don't put my honey supers on the hive, the moth larvae eat the comb. I've used mothballs, but the smell lingers in the comb and I don't want to contaminate the honey. How can I store frames without the moths getting them? Paul Article 13872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: storing drawn frames? Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998082101160200.VAA18310@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Aug 1998 01:16:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13872 Well, you could buy a really big freezer. Article 13873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshost.cyberramp.net!not-for-mail From: "Chris Cowan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone - a technique for over-wintering (or "banking") queens ? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:58:10 -0500 Organization: posted via: CyberRamp.net, Dallas, TX (214) 343-3333/(817) 461-8484 for info Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6rine9$jpe$1@newshost.cyberramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal-tsa11-43.cyberramp.net X-Trace: newshost.cyberramp.net 903667977 20270 207.158.111.43 (21 Aug 1998 02:52:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 1998 02:52:57 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@cyberramp.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13873 Does anyone know a technique for over-wintering (or "banking") queens for use in the early spring? I recall reading an article that eluded to research being done in Canada on that subject, but I don't remember a specific technique mentioned or even if the outcome was successful. Chris Cowan Article 13874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor construction - do it yourself? Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:07:30 -0400 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6rinsa$3vn$1@tikehau.netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.116.208.198 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13874 Has anyone ever built there own extractor? I know of a supplier that can get me 55 gallon food grade barrels at $15 a piece so I'm pretty interested in doing my own - I checked out Birkey's site and I am just not sure where to find food grade poly paint Any comments would be appreciated Marc Article 13875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "John Evans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee keeping in Woodland Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:37:43 +0100 Organization: JEI Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6rgudd$efu$2@mendelevium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.171.237.131 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13875 Does anyone have experience of bee keeping within a woodland environment ? Article 13876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:02:12 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6rk96t$3nn@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6r9elq$2qb@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <6ram3n$8f4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn18-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Aug 21 10:02:21 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13876 >Vampire? Like varroa mites are sinister? >You spewed: > >>If people dont wake up and stop this stupidity we are going to lose the only >>defence we have against the vampires. > >Let's see what random can do for us with a little spin via selection, shall >we? I have spewed before and I will spew again. Yes I called them vampires. I wasnt the first to call them that in fact this list is the first palce that I read of varroa being called vampires. I believe they are called that because they feed on the blood and body fluids of the bees and larvae. As for evil I dont know I would be happy to see the little vampires removed from the face of the earth. Are you diputing what I said or did you just want to nit pick? -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Article 13877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail From: "gp14" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Genetically engineered Bees Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:50:36 +0200 Organization: Tele2 Internet Kunde Lines: 57 Message-ID: <6rh2d1$a86$1@dalen.get2net.dk> References: <01bdc7d0$888feaa0$e8c160cb@leo> <6r2pup$6de$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-196.danbbs.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13877 Hallo my name is donkey I will have to shoot you if you call my mom a bich Adam Finkelstein skrev i meddelelsen <6r2pup$6de$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... >In article <01bdc7d0$888feaa0$e8c160cb@leo>, Carman wrote: > >>Nature has taken Billions of years to perfect eco-systems microclimates >>etc. > >With whatever mechanism you want to use in describing change in biological >organisms over time, you have to acknowledge that "perfect" is not the best >word choice. use. "Nature" as I think you mean, has no teleology or sense >of purpose, hence no striving toward perfection. > >Anyway, I missed the previous articles in this thread. Who is "genetically >engineering" honey bees? Heck, honey bee researchers still don't know what >all the dances mean, or why bees build comb up. > > >>human kind has created such havoc it will be a miracle if the next >>generation survives. Stop playing God!! > >What? What havoc are you talking about? Pollution, or "genetic engineering". > > >>One further point:- No wonder the Yanks spend Billions of dollars >>exploring for other planets to live on, the powers that bee know we have >>limited time on this planet, we need to find new environments for ROBBING. >> It's urgent to find fresh planets to destroy and in the quest to destroy, >>let's attack the very basis of life - DNA. That Billion dollars they just >>blew up would have been better spent on researching Bio-dynamics, how to >>feed the starving Millions while preserving the environment, our survival >>on this planet and the restoration of Mother Nature's damaged Majesty. >>Final question:- Where have all the common sense and ethic gone? > >Man where have you been? Greed usually dictates what happens when, in our human >history. Your equating present-day scientific research with a time that has >less "ethics and common sense" than any other time, is naive. We as a species, >have been ruthlessly doing in our neighbors and neighbor species' ecosystems >for quite some time now. > >What people on Earth, if given technology, choose to feed their hungry, rather >than exploit their natural resources and arm themselves? > >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dogstar716@aol.com (DogStar716) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aggressive Bumbles? Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1998082121550200.RAA18567@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Aug 1998 21:55:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13878 Hi, I have always been interested in bees, and they don't bother me in the least... until now... Under our front cement step, we have a nest of Bumble Bees. They have a hole in the dirt on the side of the step. Now, I always thought Bumbles were non aggressive, and reading about them I have heard the same. But the bees under my step have "attacked" 3 times... for no other reason than someone sitting on the step. The first time, a lone bee flew out, buzzed me and my baby, landed on my babies head and stung him. The second time, another lone bee came out, attacked a group of kids on the front lawn and actually chased them across the street before landing on one kids head and stinging him. The third time, I had just walked out the front door and lingered a moment too long and a bee flew straight into my hair and stung me on the temple, (which is now swollen to my eye, and talk about nightmares!) What is up? I know they are Bumble Bees (large, fuzzy, black and yellow stripes) but why the aggression? I have called a guy out to get rid of them because I want my step back. I am just curious as to why they are attacking without being provoked... Article 13879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone - a technique for over-wintering (or "banking") queens ? Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998082123053000.TAA27667@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Aug 1998 23:05:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6rine9$jpe$1@newshost.cyberramp.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13879 The way to winter-over queens is to use Summer-mated queens and establish them in strong nuc hives. In Spring, take three of these nucs, remove two queens and combine the brood with the third in a full size box. Trying to Winter-over in a queen bank is usually not worthwhile. The bees will favor some queens and ignor the rest at rest. Usually, the bees cannot cluster tight enough around the quees to keep them alive and the hole mess goes to pot (now that conjurs up an interesting image). Good luck, Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aggressive Bumbles? Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998082123124600.TAA28482@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Aug 1998 23:12:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998082121550200.RAA18567@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13880 Being "provoked" is realitive to ones perspective of what is a provacation. In the case of bumble bees, they are very non-aggressive and difficult to provoke UNLESS they are defending their hive. Apparently your sitting on the step is makeing some noise and just your proximity to their entrance is enough to set them off - and as you now know, - when bumble bees are "set off" they are VERY good at defending their hive (barbless stingers and BIG venom sacks can make for an unplesant experience). Good luck, Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!oleane!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Eric Jally" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Les Pages Vertes Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:39:05 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6rm7nt$j9$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tln9-93.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13881 LES PAGES VERTES, annuaire professionnel des filieres viti-vinicole, horticole, arboricole et legumiere Bonjour, Vous pourrez trouver sur ce site toutes les adresses Internet qui offrent ā l'heure actuelle des solutions, des manifestations, des prestations et bien d'autres choses encore... Sur ce site vous pouvez: 1 / Consulter l'annuaire 2 / Vous s'inscrire 3 / Lire des petites annonces 4 / Passer une petite annonces Dans un souci d'equite nous inserons aussi dans les pages l'actualite (salons, colloques...), les services et les produits qui n'ont pas encore de site Internet. Le service "Les Pages Vertes" est un service gratuit, qui n'a pour but que de dynamiser ce secteur d'activité. Je vous remercie de votre ecoute, et j'espere a bientot. Webmestre: Eric JALLY L'annuaire Les Pages Vertes est a l'adresse suivante: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jally/agricole/ ****************************************** Article 13882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Eric Jally" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Les Pages Vertes Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:45:31 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6rmmst$hq6$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tln8-170.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13882 LES PAGES VERTES, annuaire professionnel des filieres viti-vinicole, horticole, arboricole et legumiere Bonjour, Vous pourrez trouver sur ce site toutes les adresses Internet qui offrent ā l'heure actuelle des solutions, des manifestations, des prestations et bien d'autres choses encore... Sur ce site vous pouvez: 1 / Consulter l'annuaire 2 / Vous s'inscrire 3 / Lire des petites annonces 4 / Passer une petite annonces Dans un souci d'equite nous inserons aussi dans les pages l'actualite (salons, colloques...), les services et les produits qui n'ont pas encore de site Internet. Le service "Les Pages Vertes" est un service gratuit, qui n'a pour but que de dynamiser ce secteur d'activité. Je vous remercie de votre ecoute, et j'espere a bientot. Webmestre: Eric JALLY L'annuaire Les Pages Vertes est a l'adresse suivante: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jally/agricole/ ****************************************** Article 13884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: storing drawn frames? Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:15:38 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <1998082101160200.VAA18310@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust248.tnt1.thousand-oaks.ca.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: paul X-ELN-Date: Sat Aug 22 10:14:51 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13884 In article <1998082101160200.VAA18310@ladder01.news.aol.com>, hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) wrote: > Well, you could buy a really big freezer. And where would I put it? ;-) I wonder if you cound bag the frames in thick plastic and fill the bag with C02? Paul Article 13885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: storing drawn frames? Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:17:22 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <35d9948d.6543351@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <35de93d7.37504717@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust248.tnt1.thousand-oaks.ca.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: paul X-ELN-Date: Sat Aug 22 10:16:34 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13885 In article <35de93d7.37504717@news.earthlink.net>, jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: > paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) wrote: > > >Here in southern California the wax moths are busy all year round and if I > >don't put my honey supers on the hive, the moth larvae eat the comb. I've > >used mothballs, but the smell lingers in the comb and I don't want to > >contaminate the honey. How can I store frames without the moths getting > >them? > > If the drawn frames receive normal daylight, the moth tend not to > bother them. This may not be practical to do with a lot of supers, > but it is an easy way to keep a few frames moth-free. I've got to many to do that with. They have to be sealed from the little Argentine ants too. Article 13886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Crop of BS Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:13:16 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35df092d.10134330@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.26 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.26 Lines: 45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13886 Its a free country and all is fair when it comes to selling "killer" bees to the public. We sell newspapers, BS, (bee science), beekeeper regulation, cheep farm chemicals that may or may not work at inflated prices, and now comes another effort to sell poorly designed bee veils. IMHO. It just boils my blood every time I see fancy bee ads in our bee journals relating honey, or good beekeeping to farm chemicals and I have for a long time felt sold out by these publishers who have played a big part in the hooking of beekeepers on farm chemicals which alone is bad enough but just the sight of a jar of pure honey and a pesticide strip shows how low we have all got to allow that use of the good name of pure honey without beekeeper rebellion. Sure I let my own subscriptions run out but feel I am the loser by doing so and not the publishers as what's one more lost subscription they have been going down for years and they still have the advertising revenues and less publishing costs. Well now its hit me again, some outfit from Roanoke VA, selling bee vails and using the super hyped newspaper story's on the "killer" bees to do it that I have used myself in the Killer Bee & Worm Journal to illustrate the hype being used to sell newspapers and mislead the public on the danger of bee keeping. I guess that's the way it is, but I for one will never buy a bee veil from the "Sting Shield Company", they look like a real rip off anyway, IMHO. If you have not seen their web site here it is, its a good one, I won't mention which part did not function but for up to date bee disaster news and nice maps and graphics give it a hit. Interesting to note that several bee cop sites link here must be they are happy customers or maybe something more sinister: http://www.intrlink.com/users/stingshield/default.html ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos California For the good bee news plus the bad surf over to: http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.181.164.14!news.seanet.com!news From: "JK" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Hive Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:10:52 -0700 Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6rn4d7$p5o@q.seanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jkarwoski.seanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13887 Bees have built a give in one of our trees-low tot he ground & reachable and also very close to where my children play! I have called pest removal places and they are very expensive-don't have the money for it. Can these kind of bees be used by a bee-hive keeper for honey? Is this something that someone might actually be benefited by if they come and take it? Or Does someone have any hints on how to get rid of this without getting stung? Thanks for any input. jkarwoski@seanet.com Article 13888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.224.117.12!news-xfer.epix.net!news1.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:44:27 -0700 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <35DF73FB.E0F@epix.net> References: <6rn4d7$p5o@q.seanet.com> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd-242ppp215.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13888 JK wrote: > > Bees have built a give in one of our trees-low tot he ground & reachable and > also very close to where my children play! > > I have called pest removal places and they are very expensive-don't have the > money for it. > > Can these kind of bees be used by a bee-hive keeper for honey? Is this > something that someone might actually be benefited by if they come and take > it? > > Or > > Does someone have any hints on how to get rid of this without getting stung? > > Thanks for any input. > > jkarwoski@seanet.com Are you speaking of a swarm of bees located on a tree branch or have the bees set up housekeeping within the truknk of the tree? Burns Article 13889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:01:35 GMT Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35e34d2c.87187033@news.monmouth.com> References: <6rn4d7$p5o@q.seanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7p3.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13889 "JK" wrote: >Bees have built a give in one of our trees-low tot he ground & reachable and >also very close to where my children play! Does the "hive" look like gray paper, or can you see wax combs. It would very unusual (but not unheard of) for honeybees to build comb out in the open. -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public key at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B Article 13890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: carmullins@aol.com (CarMullins) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Devon - UK Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998082300260000.UAA12066@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Aug 1998 00:26:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35CEB5DA.83F1BF3B@bottom.of.post> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13890 Call Brian Sherriff who is an excellent beekeeper and also designs and manufactures the finest beeclothing in the world. I don't have his address or phone number handy. If you can't find it someone else on the list may be able to help. Bill Mullins Greensboro, NC, USA Article 13891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:43:19 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: <7JsmgNA3yU21IwC6@adrem.demon.co.uk> References: <6r2v1q$k18$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 903526414 nnrp-04:4296 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13891 In article <6r2v1q$k18$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Berny writes >Can anyone tell me when is the best time for removing the entrance reducer >on a newly started hive????? > >How long should it stay in place?? > > > Two factors are important here : 1) population of the colony Personally, I would leave the entrance block in until at least 7 (of 10) frames are covered with bees. The more bees that there are in the colony, the better it is able to defend itself. 2) temperature As the temperature rises, more bees will be occupied ventilating the hive so you can help them by removing the entrance block. As the temperature falls and the colony population falls due to a reduction in the queens egg-laying, I would replace the entrance block and leave it there until around March/April. If your hive is located close to the ground, it would also be worth pinning a mouse-guard over the entrance block to keep mice out. -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Article 13892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone - a technique for over-wintering (or "banking") queens ? Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:24:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6rnug8$qon$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6rine9$jpe$1@newshost.cyberramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.16 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 23 02:24:09 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13892 In article <6rine9$jpe$1@newshost.cyberramp.net>, "Chris Cowan" wrote: > Does anyone know a technique for over-wintering (or "banking") queens for > use in the early spring? I recall reading an article that eluded to > research being done in Canada on that subject, but I don't remember a > specific technique mentioned or even if the outcome was successful. > > Chris Cowan > Howdy Chris et al, been gone from the newsgroup awhile as the HIP AI project was eating up my spare time Yes you are correct that the Canadians did research on that topic. You may find the reference in my bibliography on my "Honeybee Improvement Program" page which you can access from http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ - the research was "successful" though I am not certain if the method is being actively used at present (the REAL measure of success IMO). Basically they used a SUPER hive made up of 20 some brood frames PLUS honey PLUS insulated the 4 pack well enough to insure they never had to really cluster. The research showed that the overwinter banked queens did as well as Spring queens purchased that next Spring if my memory is working correctly (but then Spring queens vs. Summer queens ain't exactly a fair comparison in many ways). We have never tried overwinter banking. But we have successfully overwintered nucs - even nucs with screen bottoms setting on their own stands with NO insulation. The lion's share of getting decent overwintering success with nucs is as Kirk Webster puts it "getting them started early enough" and it seems that they about got to get so packed out with bees that you fear they will swarm. Then they pack the back end of the nuc FULL of honey leaving but very little room for brood up near the entrance along about time to shut down. Since flow timing varies from place to place getting the timing down for your own area can take a few years of trial and error. Jack Griffes Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI USA -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: storing drawn frames? Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:52:22 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35de93d7.37504717@news.earthlink.net> References: <35d9948d.6543351@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust170.tnt12.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Sat Aug 22 02:49:45 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13893 paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) wrote: >Here in southern California the wax moths are busy all year round and if I >don't put my honey supers on the hive, the moth larvae eat the comb. I've >used mothballs, but the smell lingers in the comb and I don't want to >contaminate the honey. How can I store frames without the moths getting >them? If the drawn frames receive normal daylight, the moth tend not to bother them. This may not be practical to do with a lot of supers, but it is an easy way to keep a few frames moth-free. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 13894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!worldfeed.gte.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:50:47 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 28 Message-ID: <446BA008CC94260F.8B979DA5B8FB9451.6B5735A45DC1B106@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <6rp38s$hsn@library.airnews.net> References: <6rn4d7$p5o@q.seanet.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Aug 23 07:51:41 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OCA+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13894 >Does someone have any hints on how to get rid of this without getting stung? Assuming these are honeybees, they will be almost impossible to remove from a tree without cutting down the tree. They might be able to be 'trapped out' but this is a long slow process and no guarantee of success. If you are interested in making the area safe for your children in a short period of time, then I recommend killing the bees or wasps or whatever they are. This can be done safely by liberally sprinkling Savin Dust (or some other comparable pesticide) all around the entrance. This can be done at night when they are not able to fly. The bees will track it into the tree hive and die. Then use some product like Great Foam to fill and seal the cavity in the tree. >Thanks for any input. You're welcome. -- Busy Knight Dallas, Texas Article 13895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gilbert davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: harvest time Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:50:05 -0400 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35E00FFD.F7E5AD15@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup300.vabla.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13895 I have 3 supers of filled honey on one hive and the second one is still working on the first super. I checked the brood and the original queen has left, but the new queen is laying, I guess that's the bee business. This is my first year and I didn't realize when the weak hive had swarmed. I got a nuc box to lure any swarming in the future. The bee's are collecting alot of polin. I guess it's golden rod mostly from the yellow polin their hauling in. GD Article 13896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: storing drawn frames? Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998082313364900.JAA02106@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Aug 1998 13:36:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13896 2 boxes of comb one sheet of paper some para crystals 2 more boxes one sheet of paper some para crystals. Tape up the cracks or cover with a big plastic bag. Article 13897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Eric Jally" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Les Pages Vertes Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:27:13 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6rpkdg$kud$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tln1-34.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13897 LES PAGES VERTES, annuaire professionnel des filieres viti-vinicole, horticole, arboricole et legumiere Bonjour, Vous pourrez trouver sur ce site toutes les adresses Internet qui offrent ā l'heure actuelle des solutions, des manifestations, des prestations et bien d'autres choses encore... Sur ce site vous pouvez: 1 / Consulter l'annuaire 2 / Vous s'inscrire 3 / Lire des petites annonces 4 / Passer une petite annonces Dans un souci d'equite nous inserons aussi dans les pages l'actualite (salons, colloques...), les services et les produits qui n'ont pas encore de site Internet. Le service "Les Pages Vertes" est un service gratuit, qui n'a pour but que de dynamiser ce secteur d'activité. Je vous remercie de votre ecoute, et j'espere a bientot. Webmestre: Eric JALLY L'annuaire Les Pages Vertes est a l'adresse suivante: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jally/agricole/ ****************************************** Article 13898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:10:13 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 29 Message-ID: <35E030D5.5F9A@juno.com> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6r5fto$1h8@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.227 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 903895946 OCZ7E7JIA4FE3CDD8C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Paul Nicholson Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13898 for a well-reasoned report on mite resistance to pesticides, see the bee culture on line article at: http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/98jul/98jul1.html Paul Nicholson wrote: > > In article <6r5fto$1h8@titan.oit.unc.edu>, adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam > Finkelstein) wrote: > > > In article , > > Paul Nicholson wrote: > > > > >This is beyond the capability or desire of > > >most beekeepers and should best be left for the trained scientists. > > > > Well well gee I guess I must leave this dosage stuff to the "trained > > scientists". Hahahahahahahaah. > > There is certainly a lot of misunderstanding about the mechanism of > pesticide resistance, and many of the alternative dosing methods people > brew up are only contributing this increased resistance. If some one does > not have the understanding of the underlying mechanisms and the patience > to document and analyze any alternative application methods then they > should not play with alternative dosing methods. > > That's my story and I'm sticking to it ;-). > > Paul Article 13899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: gilbert davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: homemade extracter Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:40:05 -0400 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35E00DA4.30155809@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup300.vabla.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13899 I would like to get the plans to the electric extracter the gentleman had said he built for $30 a couple of days ago. LMK,GD Article 13900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsread.com!news-out.internetmci.com!news.mci2000.com!not-for-mail From: "Toolrat" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: umbrella wasps I think... Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:14:38 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.55.230.170 X-Trace: news.mci2000.com 903914161 166.55.230.170 (Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:16:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:16:01 GMT Organization: MCI2000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13900 Hi all, sorry for the semi-off subject post. I'm not a bee keeper, but i think maybe someone out there can help. This morning while cleaning my yard(preparing for bonnie to come)when moving my son's play castle I discovered a few wasps underneath the sliding board. I flipped the castle onto it's side(to see what was under there) and was practically chased back into my house by wasps. I went back about an hour later and got a look at the nest from about 20 or 25 feet away, it is about 6" by 8" hexagon shaped and has about 20 or more wasps working on it It appears that they're building it larger. I'm guessing that they're umbrella wasps, by the type of nest. but the wasps look larger than normal and i couldn't see the yelloe or orange stripes on them. Any how...any ideas on how to get rid of them. I have some Raid wasp and hornet killer spray, but i can't get close enough to use it. The can puts out about a 2" diameter spray. the remaining wasps that do not get hit wiith the first stream wil surely attempt to protect their nest... Thanks, Tim Article 13901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Subject: Win Free Jar Of Georgia Honey... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bdccca$079afda0$037dd8cc@homenet.hom.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.3 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.3 Date: 21 Aug 1998 06:03:24 -0500 X-Trace: 21 Aug 1998 06:03:24 -0500, 204.216.125.3 Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!204.216.126.205.MISMATCH!news.hom.net!204.216.125.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13901 I would like to invite everyone to visit the latest addition to my Web Site... http://GEORGIAHONEY.com/freehoney.htm Thanks... Chip -- Chip McCurdy http://GEORGIAHONEY.com 1304 Davis Avenue Perry, Georgia 31069-2704 (912) 987-4102 (912) 987-1304 Chip@GeorgiaHoney.com Register to win a FREE Jar of Georgia Honey at: http://GEORGIAHONEY.com/freehoney.htm Article 13902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Subject: Re: jpegs of bees? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6r51d6$feu$2@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> <01bdc8ed$d38bc9c0$1f0e8aa4@toshiba> Message-ID: <01bdccce$22570720$037dd8cc@homenet.hom.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.3 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.3 Date: 21 Aug 1998 06:32:47 -0500 X-Trace: 21 Aug 1998 06:32:47 -0500, 204.216.125.3 Lines: 53 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!204.216.126.205.MISMATCH!news.hom.net!204.216.125.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13902 Go to: http://georgiahoney.com/links.htm and follow the link to PO's Home Page. He has some very nice pictures. I'm sure he wouldn't mind you using some of them for your school work... Chip -- Chip McCurdy http://GEORGIAHONEY.com 1304 Davis Avenue Perry, Georgia 31069-2704 (912) 987-4102 (912) 987-1304 Chip@GeorgiaHoney.com Register to win a FREE Jar of Georgia Honey at: http://GEORGIAHONEY.com/freehoney.htm RATIA Gilles wrote in article <01bdc8ed$d38bc9c0$1f0e8aa4@toshiba>... > Try the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" at: > > http://www.beekkeping.com/goodies/gallery.htm > > (\ > ______ {((O8< _______________________ > (/ > > Gilles RATIA > International Beekeeping Consultant > Webmaster of the "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" > > APISERVICES > Beekeeping Development > "Le Terrier" > F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE > > Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 > Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 > Fax: +33 (0)5 53 05 44 57 > > Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com > Web: http://www.beekeeping.com > and http://www.beekeeping.org > and http://www.apiculture.com > and http://www.apicultura.com > and http://www.imkerei.com > and http://www.apiservices.com > _________________________________________ > Article 13903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cappings Date: 24 Aug 1998 01:24:34 GMT Organization: Lucent Technology Co. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bdcefd$e0b5cae0$81b1440c@kzubymrx> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.177.129 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13903 After harvesting 80 supers and uncapping them with my new Maxant chain uncapped, I'm stuck with "one big heap of cappings/honey". I've got the whole mess straining out the honey which I think will take a few days! Does someone around Boston or northern MA, southern NH. have a cappings melter I could borrow? Dave Verville Plaistow, NH USA Article 13904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!default From: zingale@elagniz.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Harpers' Magazine September Issue: The Hum of Bees Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 03:45:48 GMT Organization: RCN Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6rqkft$ns$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usrts6p212.port.net X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 903927101 764 207.237.109.212 (24 Aug 1998 02:51:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13904 I thought it was a good article Tony Brower tonyb@removethisinterport.net ___________________________________________________________ "I prefer the hands-on touch you only get with hired goons." - Monty Burns (The Simpsons) SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX My favorite radio show: This American Life you can hear it anytime at http://thislife.org/ not especially much to do with sex but it got your attention, right? Article 13905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!usenet.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: m12345@ihug.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beehive sale & purchase agreement Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:01:07 -0700 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35E1FEC3.3680@ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p51-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13905 does anyone have a copy of a beehive sale & purchase agreement they would care to share. i want to buy up to 150 beehives & i would like to do it in a professional manner. thanx & regards, mark Article 13906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Iskaba" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: vegetables export offer Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:36:55 -0700 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.158.20.181 Message-ID: <35e1c16f.0@news.cbn.net.id> X-CBNnet-Abuse: Report USENET abuse to abuse@cbn.net.id X-CBNnet-Date: Aug 24 98 12:39:0 JAVT (GMT +0700) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.0.51!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.cbn.net.id!202.158.20.181 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13906 Jakarta, August 24th 1998 Dear Valued Customers, May I take this opportunity to acquaint our company engaged in agriculture plantation, merchant, and exporter, among which the major commodities are potatoes, ginger, pepper, & red beauty chili. Our farm located about 100 km south of Jakarta and spaciousness is app. 60 hectares. Yields are for export, besides to fulfil domestic need. Besides those commodities, we also sell various spices. Pertaining to the yield, in this occasion we would like to know the possibility of having business with you in the market overseas. In the event that you feel we can have mutual cooperation in this kind of business, I am more than happy to give you more details concerning the afforded amount we can offer (regularly) and contract agreement. Our fax number is +62 21 5806201, or phone : +62 21 5806193, 5807175. Email : iskaba@cbn.net.id My expectation is that we might have further discussion through this first letter. In the meantime, we look forward to your reply. Thank you. Very truly yours, Ariawan Setiono Marketing Mgr Article 13907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998082410540801.GAA17660@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Aug 1998 10:54:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13907 >he first stream wil surely attempt to protect their nest... just get ya a cup full of gasoline, and dash it on the nest round bout dark. it'll pickel them wasp and evaporate. Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "ddavidd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wanted plans for extractor ? Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:01:49 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6rs9n1$2fb@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> References: <35e1c16f.0@news.cbn.net.id> NNTP-Posting-Host: mhl-ca12-25.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 24 1:00:01 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13908 does anyone know or have plans to build an extractor ? Article 13909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: Blake M Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:28:07 -0400 Organization: done through the use of very fuzzy logic! Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6rsem1$e4e@news-central.tiac.net> References: <1998082410540801.GAA17660@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998082414214100.KAA13701@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blakem.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13909 HDsearcher wrote: > Dump Gasoline in the soil? On purpose? Real bright idea. I'll be sure to buy > my honey directly from you if I ever need any. NOT. I bet your the same kind > of guy that dumps his used motor oil in our landfills. I'm sure there are more > earth friendlier ideas. Purhaps a solution of dishwashing soap and water. Oh give us a break! Splashing a few cups of gas onto a wasps hive thats on the underneith of a kids slide is far from any of the things you are accusing him of! You didnt even read what was posted, idiot! The nest isnt even in the ground! And gas will evaporate soon leaving no posionous byproducs around, the evaporated hydrocarbons will even cause increased production of ozone in our atmosphere, you tree hugger! Why dont you go pour some detergent on an enraged wasp hive and see how your eco-love feels after absorbing some good, pure, undiluted Green Gaia grown wasp venom! Hope it's enjoyable earthy experience, Blake -- CUM CATAPULTAE PROSCRIPTAE ERUNT TUM SOLI PROSCRIPTI CATAPULTAS HABEBUNT. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults....) My Email address is altered due to the prevalence of bulk Email senders. To send me mail remove the *'s befor the TIAC.NET. http://www.tiac.net/users/blakem/ Article 13910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wanted plans for extractor ? Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:47:09 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35E1DF5C.687F@galstar.com> References: <35e1c16f.0@news.cbn.net.id> <6rs9n1$2fb@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13910 ddavidd wrote: > > does anyone know or have plans to build an extractor ? This address should become a standard for this news group. This is a GREAT site. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Enjoy gw Article 13911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Zettastone@webtv.net (rosie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <27777-35E1F9A2-8@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6rsem1$e4e@news-central.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQwx/5O0y7hXvw5f0yr4l6bG6rs/QIVAKZyiyBW7HMOuejZnaFTgTGwauGj Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13911 Children, Please!!! You made so much sense until you called him a "tree hugger" like that was a bad thing. I happen to love my trees and have even been known to talk to them on occasion, and my bees spend an awful lot of time in some of them I believe in protecting our environment (its the only one we have). We all could use a good, strong dose of common sense. So bee nice. Good luck with "Bonnie", Tim. I hope she dies before she reaches the coast!!! Article 13912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wanted plans for extractor ? Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:06:37 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35e1eb0e.730081@news.gate.net> References: <35e1c16f.0@news.cbn.net.id> <6rs9n1$2fb@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl5-4.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13912 On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:01:49 -0700, "ddavidd" wrote: >does anyone know or have plans to build an extractor ? http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html all kinds of neat plans. Big Dave Article 13913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998082414214100.KAA13701@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Aug 1998 14:21:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998082410540801.GAA17660@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13913 Dump Gasoline in the soil? On purpose? Real bright idea. I'll be sure to buy my honey directly from you if I ever need any. NOT. I bet your the same kind of guy that dumps his used motor oil in our landfills. I'm sure there are more earth friendlier ideas. Purhaps a solution of dishwashing soap and water. Article 13914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!paul From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: storing drawn frames? Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:32:31 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <1998082313364900.JAA02106@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust99.tnt1.thousand-oaks.ca.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: paul X-ELN-Date: Mon Aug 24 19:31:45 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13914 In article <1998082313364900.JAA02106@ladder01.news.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > 2 boxes of comb one sheet of paper some para crystals 2 more boxes one sheet > of paper some para crystals. > Tape up the cracks or cover with a big plastic bag. Yes, but how long does it take for the para to outgas so the honey crop is not contaminated? Paul Article 13915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:29:44 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <35E22198.B99976F@valley.net> References: <6rsem1$e4e@news-central.tiac.net> <27777-35E1F9A2-8@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-221.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13915 greetings, all. i have no desire to get involved in an exchange on the relative merits of the use of psychology, internal combustion engine fuel, napalm or thermonuclear devices in the control of 'undesirables.' i just want to comment on one of the more eco-friendly approaches mentioned earlier in this thread, namely, the use of a simple detergent solution. just this past weekend i discovered a very active yellow-jacket colony living beneath my lawn. rather than immediately resort to the use of pesticides, i thought i'd try the method that's been mentioned often in posts to this group - detergent solution. i mixed up about 2 gallons of hot, detergent solution, went out sunday night, and poured it right down the entrance hole. [as an aside, i thought it interesting that, like bees on a warm summer night, some of the yellow jackets were hanging around the entrance of their colony, too.] hit 'em with the whole 2 gallons. well, today i found them flying to and from the entrance, business as usual. so, i guess i'll have to use a little carbaryl [sevin] or chlorpyrifos [dursban]. i think the success of the detergent method has a lot to do with the location of the colony. this one is right near the edge of my lawn, which is on top of several feet of fill. i'm sure that after 15 years of settling there are lots of nooks and crannies down there, and the drainage must be pretty good. the 2 gallons i dumped in never filled the hole, so i sure didn't drown 'em. under these conditions it would probably take many more gallons of solution to actually knock out the colony. i have to admit, too, that i felt kind of bad last night about trying to kill the colony, especially after i saw those workers sitting around the entrance. i mean, they're a nuisance and all, and they sure can sting, but they do have their purpose in the grand scheme of things, and they work about as hard as my bees do to defend their home and feed their young. i just wish they weren't so darned aggressive. well, i'm starting to speak kindly of yellow jackets, so i'm obviously over-tired. hope this helped a little. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ssbtractor@aol.com (SSBTractor) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tractor Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998082502492800.WAA06459@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1998 02:49:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13916 Hello, I would like to announce our new tractor discussion forums that have just been launched. Our company, SSB Tractor, provides tractor parts, manuals, implements, toys/models for almost any make or model. We have just revamped our website to provide free classified ads and have expanded our discussion forums to include additional topics that should be of interest to those in the tractor and agricultural fields. We will be offering our help at these new forums with any questions or problems that you may have. We have a great deal of experience with tractors and tractor repairs/restorations, so don't hesitate to let us know of any problems that you may have. Our prices are also competitive. You can vist our discussion forums at the link below: SSB Tractor Discussion Forums Article 13917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: disabledvet@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What type of Hives??????? Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 02:51:03 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.212.116.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 25 02:51:03 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-NBWA (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13917 Hi: I'm a new person who is interested in starting up a bee hive. As you can see by my e-mail - I have some physical limitations - one is no bending, light lifting, etc. Basically, this means that I can water utilizing a water hose (have an irrigation system for our lawn). I do not have alot of strength - combined with my back and arm disabilities (I'm not wheelchair bound at this time - though I use a cane when walking if the distance exceeds 25 feet - not sniveling - before you can give me guidance you have to know my physical limitations. Open to any suggestions - who I should contact, etc. Just looking at the beekeeping magazines I see the traditional type housing for bees, but not for anything else. Thanking you in advance. Dick Squires -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:37:37 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 56 Message-ID: <35E23F91.47D9@midwest.net> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904020025 .ZFUVYH4M1CF D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13918 Hi Dick, From my *very* limited experience with Langstroth-type hives (one hive for one year) I can't see any reason why most of the work couldn't be done in a sitting position - I use a Coleman camp stool. I suppose if the hive grew much beyond a couple of brood boxes plus a couple of supers, a taller stool might be better. Another hive design that has intrigued me is the top bar hive (TBH). It seems to be a fairly simple design (you didn't mention any limitations to doing some simple carpentry - maybe a friend could pitch in). One of the advantages would appear to be not having to lift boxes. A single cover, then a row of bars all workable from a sitting position. I've read all that James Satterfield (#1 in the list below) has presented on the subject and am thinking seriously about starting a TBH next year. If you decide to go the TBH route let me know how it works out for you. Here are the TBH links (some redundancy) I've collected so far - hope this helps in some small way. http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/becomb.htm http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/press.htm http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/kenya.htm http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/my_tbh.html http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbhplan.gif http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm AL ************************************************* Its not the pace of life that concerns me, its the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* disabledvet@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > Hi: I'm a new person who is interested in starting up a bee hive. As you > can see by my e-mail - I have some physical limitations - one is no bending, > light lifting, etc. Basically, this means that I can water utilizing a water > hose (have an irrigation system for our lawn). I do not have alot of > strength - combined with my back and arm disabilities (I'm not wheelchair > bound at this time - though I use a cane when walking if the distance exceeds > 25 feet - not sniveling - before you can give me guidance you have to know my > physical limitations. Open to any suggestions - who I should contact, etc. > Just looking at the beekeeping magazines I see the traditional type housing > for bees, but not for anything else. Thanking you in advance. Dick Squires > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!207.33.1.6!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: storing drawn frames? Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:44:58 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 22 Message-ID: <35E2414A.3A95@midwest.net> References: <1998082313364900.JAA02106@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904020464 .ZFUVYH4M1CF D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13919 I've missed the entire thread on this subject but, from what I've read on the subject of comb honey, I remember a recommendation for freezing the comb honey for a given period prior to packaging to kill off any wax moths. Has that been mentioned re: storing empty comb? Might this treatment followed by a sealed bag preclude the use of other chemicals? AL Paul Nicholson wrote: > > In article <1998082313364900.JAA02106@ladder01.news.aol.com>, > beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > > > 2 boxes of comb one sheet of paper some para crystals 2 more boxes one sheet > > of paper some para crystals. > > Tape up the cracks or cover with a big plastic bag. > > Yes, but how long does it take for the para to outgas so the honey crop is > not contaminated? > > Paul Article 13920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:48:19 GMT Organization: Sporadic Message-ID: <35e37b8d.1035655@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6rsem1$e4e@news-central.tiac.net> <27777-35E1F9A2-8@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <35E22198.B99976F@valley.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-94.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-94.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13920 Of course envirionmentally friendly methods of pest control are vastly preferable to any others. But I an't help thinking that it's not very environmentally friendly to go around killing things either. So, some insects are pests to us. we are bigger pests. Live with them. -- Kidney John kj@jaf.nildramNO_SPAM.co.uk Article 13921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive Date: Tue, 25 Aug 98 10:38:11 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <17FBD9596S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6rn4d7$p5o@q.seanet.com> <446BA008CC94260F.8B979DA5B8FB9451.6B5735A45DC1B106@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13921 In article <446BA008CC94260F.8B979DA5B8FB9451.6B5735A45DC1B106@library-proxy.airnews.net> "Busy Knight" writes: > >>Does someone have any hints on how to get rid of this without getting >stung? > > ... I recommend killing the bees or wasps or whatever >they are. This can be done safely by liberally sprinkling Savin Dust (or >some other comparable pesticide) all around the entrance.... > There are a lot more benign materials to use than Savin (isn't it Sevin?). Soapy water for one. However, we still have not established what kind of bees these are. Most guesses have been towards some sort of wasp/hornet nest. Remove of the nest may be as easy as slipping a garbage bag over/around the nest, sealing the garbage bag up, cutting off the branch and sticking the whole nest in the freezer. There are many alternatives to chemical pesticides. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 13922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to stop robbing Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:59:21 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35e2cedc.62744175@news.earthlink.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust179.tnt13.dfw5.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Tue Aug 25 07:56:47 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13922 mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) wrote: >My apiary is on a hill, and two days ago one of the hives was blown over. >I noticed it at breakfast and managed to correct it all. However, the bees >from a neighbouring hive took a great interest in the exposed combs and >are now showing evidence of robbing - bees zigzagging in front of the >entrance and numerous 'fights' with resident bees. I have reduced the >entrance in honour of "Thermopoly", so that the residents can better >defend themselves, however, any suggestions would be helpful. Making the bees WALK into the hive through and entrance that is only the width of one or two bees will help a lot. Sometimes the robbers try to fly past the guards, but having to walk through a tunnel of some sort it will alow the guards to do their job. I've used a board to form a roof over the entrance. If the hive is very weak, it can be screened completely shut for a day, which may be enough for the bees to recover and the robbers to develop foraging habits elsewhere. If you do need to take the extreme measure of screening it shut, do it at night so the field bees are inside. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 13923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998082517035000.NAA19251@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1998 17:03:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998082414214100.KAA13701@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13923 >Dump Gasoline in the soil? On purpose? Real bright idea. I'll be sure to >buy > NOT. I bet your the same kind >of guy that dumps his used motor oil in our landfills. I'm sure there are Ya know i git the strangest idea that this fella just ain't quite from round here...... welp gotta go put some a them eco friendly cinder blocks on top a my hives... bonnie's a commin and I hear she's no lady !! Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998082517160700.NAA20667@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1998 17:16:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35E22198.B99976F@valley.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13924 >co-friendly approaches mentioned earlier in >this thread, namely, the use of a simple detergent solution. just this past the thing to remember with the detergent method is that the mixture has to be very high. i'm talking 1 cup per gallon of water. have used this method a number of times, found dawn to be the best detergent, what it does it coat the varmits closing off the spericals and literally choking them to death, hence the need for a strong solution. < bet that other fella didn't think i could even say those big words huh ?> Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998082517102300.NAA06600@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1998 17:10:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998082414214100.KAA13701@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13925 > I'm sure there are more >earth friendlier ideas. Purhaps well there was another way, ya take a tobacco stick and tie some news paper to the end then light it. stick the fire to them boys and it'll fry off their wings then ya just stomp em, course it does smoke up your paint and stuff but this way ya get to use the worms to fish with, if you use gas the fish won't touch em. Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hive Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:21:50 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 29 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <6rurt6$pjj@library.airnews.net> References: <6rn4d7$p5o@q.seanet.com> <446BA008CC94260F.8B979DA5B8FB9451.6B5735A45DC1B106@library-proxy.airnews.net> <17FBD9596S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Aug 25 12:22:47 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OKu+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13926 From his description, it sounded to me like they are in the trunk of the tree and not in a branch. Trying to spray up and into the trunk of the tree will most likely result in him getting stung AND probably not killing the bees/wasps. >However, we still have not established what kind of bees these are. This doesn't really matter. If they are permanently located were his children play and he's worried about them getting stung, then I say kill them as quickly and as effortlessly as possible. Which is what I've described. > sealing the garbage bag up, cutting off the branch... Possibly, but again, it didn't sound to me like they were just in a branch of the tree. If they are an established colony in the trunk of the tree, I maintain that my suggestion is better. > There are many alternatives to chemical pesticides. Granted. But generally not as effective, as easy and as fast as pesticides (which is obviously *why* the pesticide industry is a multi-billion dollar business). BK Dallas Article 13927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Memorial to Esther Piechowski Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1998082518221200.OAA28148@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1998 18:22:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13927 On August 24th, 1998 beekeepers everywhere lost someone very dear, Esther (Mrs. Henry)Piechowski died at the age of 80. Esther is remembered for many things. She was an avid member of the American Beekeeping Federation and the Wisconsin Honey Producers Association. In the early 1950's they(her and Henry) brought the first Honey Queen to the American Beekeeping federation convention, beginning the American Honey Queen Program. Esther also served as President of the American Beekeeping Federation Auxillary. Together with family, they owned and operated a 2500-3000 hive "Henry's Honey Farm" until 1985 when the business was purchased by the John Piechowski Family. In 1996, She and Henry were recognized by the Wisconsin Honey Producers Association with the Pioneer Award for their pioneering work with the winterization of colonies in the southern climate, honey queen program, and activity through her years of involvement in the industry. Esther is survived by her 12 children, 10 step sons and daughters, and 22 grandchildren. ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 13928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: storing drawn frames? Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998082512130801.IAA10581@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1998 12:13:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13928 > >Yes, but how long does it take for the para to outgas so the honey crop is >not contaminated? As for how long I don't really know but this is what I do- > On a sunny spring day the boxes get set out - the box away from the paper with the para gets used first then the one with the para. After a day or two in sunlight you cannot smell any para. Just make sure the para does not touch comb or frame. And be sure you get para 100% and not any other moth crystal as they are not approved and will kill bees. I wonder if someone with a gas chromatograph could test a box that has been sunned to see what out gasses- I bet if any remains it would be very slight as the nose is good down to the ppm or ppb range and I can detect no odor. I think the bees would reject comb that was smelling of para. Tom Article 13929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:37:08 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35E23F91.47D9@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 330 518 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 904048301 16954 (none) 193.63.130.40 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13929 My vote is for Langstroths, especially for the large brood version, which gives the bees space for laying and storage of honey; this may mean a reduced crop for me, but ensures I give them more than adequate stores for the very cold Welsh winters. I also find, though this might be subjective, that the larger brood comb means the bees are less worried about handling, when you are manipulating the brood box; more space to run? It does mean finding the queen is difficult though. However, a super full of honey is heavy. Lifting is almost a requirement for a beekeeper; I know many ex-beekeepers who have given up because of this. You should be forewarned! All I can suggest is talking to a local beekeeper about the potential weight and trying to see if you can heft it. Furthermore, if you may be wheelchair bound, you should consider: a) siting your hives low to the ground, or maybe in a ditch so you can access the upper supers b) encouraging a friend to help with the more physical parts. You could even (in the extreme) just offer your plot as a site for a local beekeeper to place his/her hives, and charge a 'rent' of wanting to help them. Clearly, this is less exciting than doing it all yourself, but, might be more feasible in the long term. -- The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 Article 13930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Devon - UK Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:16:21 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: References: <35CEB5DA.83F1BF3B@bottom.of.post> <1998082300260000.UAA12066@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 904048064 nnrp-11:29521 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 26 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13930 In article <1998082300260000.UAA12066@ladder03.news.aol.com>, CarMullins writes >Call Brian Sherriff who is an excellent beekeeper and also designs and >manufactures the finest beeclothing in the world. I don't have his address or >phone number handy. If you can't find it someone else on the list may be able >to help. > >Bill Mullins >Greensboro, NC, USA > > The address is : Sherriff International "Five Pines" Mylor Downes Falmouth Cornwall TR11 5UN England Email: sherriff.int@btinternet.com http://www.btinternet.com/~sherriff.int/ -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Article 13931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35E2900A.1E0EE0E1@gsu.edu> From: "James D. Satterfield" Reply-To: jsatt@gsu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:20:58 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.150.74 X-Trace: tattler 904040434 131.96.150.74 (Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:20:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:20:34 EDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.76.137!news.campus.mci.net!uky.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!tattler!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13931 TBH's are probably your best bet. Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm disabledvet@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Hi: I'm a new person who is interested in starting up a bee hive. As you > can see by my e-mail - I have some physical limitations - one is no bending, > light lifting, etc. Basically, this means that I can water utilizing a water > hose (have an irrigation system for our lawn). I do not have alot of > strength - combined with my back and arm disabilities (I'm not wheelchair > bound at this time - though I use a cane when walking if the distance exceeds > 25 feet - not sniveling - before you can give me guidance you have to know my > physical limitations. Open to any suggestions - who I should contact, etc. > Just looking at the beekeeping magazines I see the traditional type housing > for bees, but not for anything else. Thanking you in advance. Dick Squires > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum -- Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.24N, 084.47W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm Article 13932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: splitting hive need info Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:33:22 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 15 Sender: sagdeg@208.24.176.41 Message-ID: <35E2E751.703F7910@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13932 I just split a double hive by removing the top brood box and leaving 3 frames of eggs/brood and 2 frames with honey/pollen. I hope the one without the queen (Buckfast) will draw queen cells. The problem I see is there is no other beekeepers in the area and I have never seen another honeybee before I installed my hive. What are the chances Ill get a fertilized queen or should I recombine and buy a new queen for the other hive? Thanks Larry -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998082512194800.IAA10990@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1998 12:19:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35e37b8d.1035655@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13933 Under the porch rail type wasps can be knocked into a plastic bag with a paint scraper or putty knife if you are basically unafraid of nature. Starting ether for cars will knock them out and you could step on the ones that fall before they revive- get the cheap ether without lubricant and it won't foul the area or your pool. CO2 fire extringuishers will freeze them solid. I don't like the idea of the last drip of gas falling off the fill nozzle let alone splashing it around. Beekeeper yellow jacket swatter Article 13934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newshub.northeast.verio.net!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to stop robbing Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:27:21 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 330 518 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 904047714 16954 (none) 193.63.130.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13934 My apiary is on a hill, and two days ago one of the hives was blown over. I noticed it at breakfast and managed to correct it all. However, the bees from a neighbouring hive took a great interest in the exposed combs and are now showing evidence of robbing - bees zigzagging in front of the entrance and numerous 'fights' with resident bees. I have reduced the entrance in honour of "Thermopoly", so that the residents can better defend themselves, however, any suggestions would be helpful. -- The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 Article 13935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Ima-beeliever@webtv.net (Ima Beeliever) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 56 Message-ID: <29291-35E3375E-49@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQjQBeejJJmqqBaeUzSUS/TkMtkKAIUSCaRhS07kIjQVO9V2wWuI5c58/g= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13935 Welcome to the wonderful world of beekeeping. I'm not very strong but keep two deep hives because our winters can be quite harsh. Jan. and Feb. are the worst, so I want to be sure they have plenty of honey to get through the winter. If you decide on one or even two hives of honeybees, my method might work for you. First, you have to build your hives and frames. This will probably be the easiest part of the whole project. I do mine while sitting in front of the tv in my family room. Makes a mess but easy to clean up. Just need to have everything organized. In order to manipulate my hives, I place an extra cover on the ground next to the hive I'm working on and place an extra deep on that. I then take the first frame out, inspect it, and place it in the extra super in the same place it was situated in the first box and continue in the same way until all ten frames have been checked. After checking the first hive I place the now empty original hive body on top of the one I just filled and repeat the process with the bottom hive. If that's too high, you could always use another lid to place it on. Unless you plan to clean the bottom board, etc, Its not necessary to remove all the frames from the bottom hive. Just take a few out and just move the others over as you inspect them. Then to finish up, you reverse the whole process. I keep all my extra equipment in a wagon that I can keep out of the weather but is always ready and easy to pull to the hives. I also carry all my tools this way. It also makes it possible to carry extra frames. If I want to take a frame or more of capped honey, I put them in the super on the wagon and replace them with new frames. Sounds like a lot of work (it is) but I enjoy working with the bees so much the time flies by. It also forces you to take your time and practice your patience skills, with the added benefit that if you have inspected the frames well, you will eventually find the queen (have her marked with a nice bright color) since she won't be able to return to the frames you've already checked. Getting many honey supers in and extracting require more planning, but I'm sure by the time you have your first honey crop, you will have come up with a plan of action. Before you do anything, get in touch with your local beekeeping association. There is so much more to beekeeping. its impossible to even touch on. It's been my experience that beekeepers, in general, are the nicest people in the world. I'm sure someone would be willing to help you to set up your hives in the best way for you. And if the first way doesn't work, try another way. Buy some good books on the subject or visit your local library. I was surprised to find that our library had copies of both "The Hive and the Honeybee" and "ABC and XYZ of Beekeeping." There are also some excellent videos on the subject. Sorry, didn't mean to write a book. Article 13936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: worker bee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:09:30 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35E3361A.5C884044@earthlink.net> References: <35E22198.B99976F@valley.net> <1998082517160700.NAA20667@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust127.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Tue Aug 25 15:12:17 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13936 Did anyone ever try spraying starter fluid into the hole? It sure is deadly if used to destroy a sick(foulbrood) hive of bees. Bet it would work and is not too bad on the enviroment. Article 13937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: worker bee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to stop robbing Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:13:17 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35E336FD.F62449B1@earthlink.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust127.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Tue Aug 25 15:16:04 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13937 Call the Sheriff and have the robbers hauled away, or you may want to reduce the entrance and watch them for a couple of days. If it is a fairly strong hive they will defend themselves and bo ok. Article 13938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Ima-beeliever@webtv.net (Ima Beeliever) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <29291-35E33CB1-54@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRiPeUsIqND21JfsASpAlnywK5BpgIUF+uzaRh+PR2J8CQwHm6ZINGF070= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13938 I just reviewed your letter. I thought you were wc bound but am happy that you are not. I still believe my methods could work for you, but with alterations such as sitting while working, using an extra long hive tool to pry frames apart, and possibly using something (like a small platform) to raise the extra hive bodies to the desired height so that you won't have to bend. Though there is still considerable reaching involved, I'm sure you'll be successful. As they say, "necessity is the mother or invention." Good luck! Article 13939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!news.ntplx.net!news-pen-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive need info Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:34:19 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35E33BEA.644C@galstar.com> References: <35E2E751.703F7910@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13939 Larry Williard wrote: > > I just split a double hive by removing the top brood box and leaving 3 > frames of eggs/brood and 2 frames with honey/pollen. I hope the one > without the queen (Buckfast) will draw queen cells. The problem I see is > there is no other beekeepers in the area and I have never seen another > honeybee before I installed my hive. What are the chances Ill get a > fertilized queen or should I recombine and buy a new queen for the other > hive? > Thanks > Larry > > -- > remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > circuit9@bigfoot.com Have Pity spend the $15.00. The bee's will thank you, and if not at leate you have another good hive. see ya' gw Article 13940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Rev Jim" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor Date: 26 Aug 1998 01:06:54 GMT Organization: news.netins.net Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bdd08e$9e8cc140$280cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> References: <1998082101160200.VAA18310@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: "Rev Jim" NNTP-Posting-Host: ur40.mebbs.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13940 I have some equipment, a 2 frame extractor, some supers, frames, feeders, electric knife. I am in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. If interested, leave a message. Article 13941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35E35FAA.B047A80@dave-world.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:06:51 -0500 From: "Calvin Neubaum Jr." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee supplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: m001.granville.dave-world.net Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.189.73.222!nt.dave-world.net!m001.granville.dave-world.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13941 I am trying to get rid of some beekeeping supplies. This was another of my father's hobbies that he tired of, but bought to much of. I have several hive boxes, many, many panels, lids, frames, and even a seperator. Some of this stuff is new in the box, some is used. Is there a market out there for this stuff? I am in a small town in north central Illinois. If anyone can give me an idea of what this stuff is worth I would appreciate it. Also if anyone is interested in it please e-mail me. Thank you, Calvin Neubaum Article 13942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive need info Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:58:53 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 64 Message-ID: <6rvq4t$ofr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35E2E751.703F7910@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 26 01:58:53 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13942 In article <35E2E751.703F7910@bigfoot.com>, Larry Williard wrote: > I just split a double hive by removing the top brood box and leaving 3 > frames of eggs/brood and 2 frames with honey/pollen. I hope the one > without the queen (Buckfast) will draw queen cells. It will. >The problem I see is > there is no other beekeepers in the area and I have never seen another > honeybee before I installed my hive. You could be correct in your assessment of a dearth of other bees in your area. Then again we often are sorta blind to things we have no special interest in which are before our eyes. Many times around here you can't see beeyards from the road - they are still there though. > What are the chances Ill get a > fertilized queen or should I recombine and buy a new queen for the other > hive? Okay let's suppose you are the Lone Beekeeper and thus your hive is the Lone Hive. This late in the season (assuming you ain't had a pollen dearth that caused the drones to be cast out already) you should have plentious drones (assuming you did NOT destroy all the drone comb or some such thing). Your odds should be over 50% of getting a queen mated that has a high viability brood pattern. That is taking all causes of failure into account. You would be talking about inbreeding but in that first generation with multiple mating odds are you will get acceptable brood viability. This would be brother-sister mating - which is one of the more severe but NOT the most severe form of inbreeding. The most severe is "selfing" wherein you take a virgin queen and expose her to carbon dioxide to induce laying (give them drone comb to lay in) then use her very own drones to inseminate her with. In selfing using SDM (single drone mating) you will get only 50% brood viability max.. (in a normal hive anything under 85% is a CULL and around 90-95% is more like it) Continuing to self that line will after a number of generation cause breakdown (can be as many as 14-15 generations according to Dean Breaux). Inbreeding can greatly intensify characteristics - good or bad. Nature works to avoid inbreeding in honeybees via multiple mating in the air as much as six miles from the hive. Jack Griffes Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI jack_griffes AT hotmail.com > Thanks > Larry > > -- > remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > circuit9@bigfoot.com > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!shore!uunet!uunet!in4.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: Adrian Hamer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Your views please Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 03:50:12 +0100 Organization: Vision Geobotanical Research Lines: 44 Message-ID: <35E377E3.D39E1081@which.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.99.205 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7BBFDC9BDA000773CD688F9E" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13943 --------------7BBFDC9BDA000773CD688F9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would be interested in your views, as I have just started to set-up an Internet site for a little company I will be running from home. It's an information research service, your views are still appreciated even if you have no interest in the service. http://www.internet-club/uk/visionresearch/index.htm Thank you very much for your time. Yours Faithfully, Adrian Hamer Email: visionresearch@mailexcite.com Web: http://www.internet-club.com/uk/visionresearch/index.htm --------------7BBFDC9BDA000773CD688F9E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would be interested in your views, as I have just started to set-up an Internet site for a little company I will be running from home. It's an information research service, your views are still appreciated even if you have no interest in the service.

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Web: http://www.internet-club.com/uk/visionresearch/index.htm --------------7BBFDC9BDA000773CD688F9E-- Article 13944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive need info Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:25:28 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 31 Sender: sagdeg@208.24.176.44 Message-ID: <35E38028.FAA11513@bigfoot.com> References: <35E2E751.703F7910@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13944 Thanks for all the replies public and private. I changed my mind an rejoined the hive and will order another queen. This hive was started from a package, when the brood started hatching it was the meanest hive I've ever came across, so I bought the Buckfast queen. The bees are now extremely gentle. The laying pattern of this queen is perfect, I mean every cell capped except for one row that the wire wasn't imbedded good. There were only a very few drone cells and little or no drones. I will order another queen tomorrow. I live in South Alabama, all the beekeepers I have found about are not keeping bees anymore due to mite losses, and no one knows of anybody else in the area. Larry Larry Williard wrote: > I just split a double hive by removing the top brood box and leaving 3 > frames of eggs/brood and 2 frames with honey/pollen. I hope the one > without the queen (Buckfast) will draw queen cells. The problem I see is > there is no other beekeepers in the area and I have never seen another > honeybee before I installed my hive. What are the chances Ill get a > fertilized queen or should I recombine and buy a new queen for the other > hive? > Thanks > Larry > remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!boris.eden.com!not-for-mail From: "Richard A. Trevino, Jr." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Midnite honey bee Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:58:51 -0500 Organization: AMICI Online Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6s0i02$89j$1@boris.eden.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.81.244.170 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13945 On May 21st I started a 3 lb package of Midnite bees. It appeared that the queen was laying a spotted pattern. The first week of June I order another Midnite queen to replace her. In conversation with a fellow beekeeper, he said that all queen breeders are experiencing similar problems. That being the case he suggested that I spilt the nuc and try to develop two nucs. Around June 10th I spilt the nuc and feed both nucs with 1:1 sugar water for about two weeks. Both nucs are bring in pollen and nectar. Both queen are laying spotted patterns and have increased to about 3 to 3.5 frames by July 4th. Because of the drought I shaded the hives and the first week of August started feed them again. I feed them with a gallon jar over the inner cover with an empty nuc chamber over the nuc brood chamber to decrease the chance of robbing. I also made substitute pollen patties by mixing soy flour, brewer’s yeast and honey. The patties were placed in the inner cover next to the jar of sugar water. The bees are storing the sugar water; however, the have not stored or touched the pollen substitute. From July 4th though August 25th neither nuc has grown beyond the 3 to 3.5 frames. I’m puzzled as to why they have not grown or increased, especially with the feeding and pollen substitute. This raises a number of questions: How long should I wait before combining them for winter? (I live in San Antonio, Texas) Is this normal for this strain of honey bee (midnite)? I started with the Midnite because they are extremely gentle and I have been very happy with there temperament. However, is the above behavior normal or have I done something wrong? I know I started late; however, with the feeding and pollen substitute shouldn’t the nucs have grown by now? Should I move them from the nuc to a 10 frame brood hive? Does anyone have information on the Midnite bee? (for example, honey producing, build-up, etc.) Any assistance would greatly be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Article 13946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive need info Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:18:34 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7F5A12151476E783.DB8FFDBCD4448A3B.32AA29C3045F9594@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <6s0r03$9o8@library3.airnews.net> References: <35E2E751.703F7910@bigfoot.com> <35E38028.FAA11513@bigfoot.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: librarytest.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Aug 26 06:19:31 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OXu+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13946 I see you live in the northern hemisphere... It's awfully late in the year to be doing 'splits'. -- Busy Knight Dallas, Texas Article 13947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: 26 Aug 1998 15:14:56 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6s18pg$ss3$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13947 I think your best bet would be topbar hives. Though, in theory, you could reduce the amount of mass you would need to manipulate at any one time by using medium supers for brood chambers and shallow supers for honey. Some of the advantages of topbar hives (which I would recommend to any beginner) are that they minimize your initial investment and provide an opportunity to see bees in a more natural setting. You'll also avoid the problem of needing to rent or borrow an extractor. One thing that you need to consider and that hasn't yet been mentioned in this thread) is that beekeeping does not always take place under optimal conditions. It's one thing to be using equipment that tests your maximum lifting ablity in perfect conditions. It's another if the hive has blown over, vandals have struck, it 98 degrees out and 85% humidity, or for some reason you haven't been out there for a while and the propolis is thicker than caulk. Also, I would not *ever* recommend keeping your hives in a ditch. disabledvet@my-dejanews.com wrote: : Hi: I'm a new person who is interested in starting up a bee hive. As you : can see by my e-mail - I have some physical limitations - one is no bending, : light lifting, etc. Basically, this means that I can water utilizing a water : hose (have an irrigation system for our lawn). I do not have alot of : strength - combined with my back and arm disabilities (I'm not wheelchair : bound at this time - though I use a cane when walking if the distance exceeds : 25 feet - not sniveling - before you can give me guidance you have to know my : physical limitations. Open to any suggestions - who I should contact, etc. : Just looking at the beekeeping magazines I see the traditional type housing : for bees, but not for anything else. Thanking you in advance. Dick Squires : -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- : http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum -- Article 13948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!sun4nl!194.165.93.117.MISMATCH!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!194.109.6.71.MISMATCH!not-for-mail From: Abe Maaijen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wanted plans for extractor ? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:50:37 +0200 Organization: Aannemersbedrijf Abe Maaijen Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35E42ECD.E@xs4all.nl> References: <35e1c16f.0@news.cbn.net.id> <6rs9n1$2fb@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <35e1eb0e.730081@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-modem874.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-modem874.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.106] X-XS4ALL-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:49:38 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13948 Have a look on mine site, there is a drawing for an extractor in acrobat format. You are free to download it. Please drop a line if you like the drawing. http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/honeybee.html -- Abe Maaijen E-mail maaijen@xs4all.nl Beijerscheweg 73 Homepage http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/ 2821 NE Stolwijk The Netherlands Article 13949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive need info Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:32:46 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35E42A9E.402B5FB1@bigfoot.com> References: <35E2E751.703F7910@bigfoot.com> <35E38028.FAA11513@bigfoot.com> <7F5A12151476E783.DB8FFDBCD4448A3B.32AA29C3045F9594@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904145618 NBDG1/W8AB02AD018C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13949 South Alabama Larry Busy Knight wrote: > I see you live in the northern hemisphere... > It's awfully late in the year to be doing 'splits'. > > -- > Busy Knight > Dallas, Texas -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!server1.netnews.ja.net!newshost.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:46:20 +0100 Organization: Oh dear. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <35E43BDC.FD54A6E4@open.ac.uk> References: <1998082414214100.KAA13701@ladder03.news.aol.com> <1998082517035000.NAA19251@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13950 [attributes messed up, this is my best guess at who said what] Hk1BeeMan wrote: > HDsearcher wrote: > > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > just get ya a cup full of gasoline, and dash it on the nest round bout dark. > > > it'll pickel them wasp and evaporate. > > Dump Gasoline in the soil? On purpose? Real bright idea. I'll be sure to buy > > my honey directly from you if I ever need any. NOT. I bet your the same kind > > of guy that dumps his used motor oil in our landfills. I'm sure there are more > > earth friendlier ideas. Purhaps a solution of dishwashing soap and water. > Ya know i git the strangest idea that this fella just ain't quite from round > here...... Well, you shouldn't really be so environmentally damaging as to use ordinary petrol, but it should be fine if you use unleaded! Alternatively, you will find a teaspoon of Cymag followed up with half a cup of water will do the trick. Be careful when handling and using hydrogen cyanide or the cyanide compounds used to evolve this gas, though; read the instructions on the tin thoroughly. HTH. Richard. -- Erratic news-swerver! :. post+e-mail to be sure I get your msg. The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at reader's own risk. Article 13951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tom S Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:35:48 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35E23F91.47D9@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 904081235 nnrp-07:11619 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21YttL9sqXFXL3gFPzam1PjvOw> Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.190.198.38!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newshub.bart.net!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13951 In article , Mike Reddy writes >My vote is for Langstroths, Believe me, Langstroths are no mean weight when full. I wouldn't advise anyone with a lifting disabiity - even an age restriction - to use them. Top bar or 'longhives' may be better as the frames can be removed when full. I suppose the same goes for any hive, but with a good flow, they can be filled quickly. Remember the enquirer wanted to advice to start beekeeping, therefore may not realise that a full super means 40+lbs. A brood box even more. -- Tom S Article 13952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!newshost.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa treatment. Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:07:49 +0100 Organization: Oh dear. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <35E440E5.6E5576F5@open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13952 Does anyone have any information on the treatment of Varroa by fumigation methods? I know that considerable work has gone on researching the use of formic acid, but what about anything else? A contributor to another NG set me thinking about this - I suppose what is required is a fumigant that may be applied (say) via the smoker that is either strong enough to kill mites but disappears by dilution before bees are affected, and is preferably "natural" and non-tainting and leaves no residue, or is soley damaging to the mite. Crikey, that *is* an ambitious goal! Mumble, think, mumble: SO2? Nicotine? The insecticidal aspects of Belladonna as smoker fuel (atropine)?? Dried Old Man's Beard?? Yew leaves? Of course, with a short fumigation period mites in sealed cells are not going to be affected, the b#######, but everything helps! Richard. -- Erratic news-swerver! :. post+e-mail to be sure I get your msg. The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at reader's own risk. Article 13953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!uunet!in2.uu.net!iafrica.com!news01.iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best Protective Clothing for Beekeeping Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:58:26 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6s1f75$9h9$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-93.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13953 Hi! Greetings from South Africa. As you all know, we have the meanest bees! But do you all know that we produce the world's best protective clothing for Beekeepers? If you have one hive - you're a Beekeepers! If you have 1000 hives - you're still a Beekeepers! One thing all Beekeepers have in common, they need protective garments. Take a look at our range of Mountain Bee Garments, and get hold of us for prices in your own country's currency. We are also looking for more international distributors. With the weak South African Rand there really is good potential for you. God bless and all the best Robin and Stella Mountain mountbee@iafrica.com begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5p4.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13954 First of all, my apologies- I tend to do things by the "James Michener" method- you know, start with the beginning of the universe, and work up from there. Long ago, in a galaxy far away, I kept bees. A dozen more or less colonies. Even got Master Beekeeper certification, and took the Cornell short course under (reverent pause) Roger Morse. After ten or so years of this, I realized that I didn't have the time or desire to give the bees proper care. Along came a part-time bee inspector who noticed: A. the neglect. B. the pretty good location (Upstate NY; lots of wildflowers, a fall flow of mostly goldenrod of imposing proportions). He offered to buy everything for a fair price, which I took. He managed the yard (in a clearing behind my house) for several years, then vanished.... Thanks to neglect, and probably Varroa, the colonies died out and became engulfed in brush and weeds. The reason I'm making this inquiry is that I've realized that the bees deserve better, and I ought to do something before the hardware becomes totally unusable. And I noticed that one of the colonies (four deep supers, just like it was left) is occupied and thriving! I'm guessing a wild swarm moved in during the summer... I did see one in July, but it was small and too high up to hive easily. It moved on before I could do anything about it. Basically, point me at resources to help me re-start. I'd like non-chemical control of Varroa if that's possible, but I'm a practical guy... Immediate plans are to take the weed whacker/brush blade to the bee yard, do some cleanup, and give the new residents a ventilated top and mouse guard when winter comes. And perhaps clean up what's left of the hardware and protect it from the elements and the moth. Thanks, -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B Article 13955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: 26 Aug 1998 18:00:28 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 100 Message-ID: <01bdd11b$6efdf060$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6s18pg$ss3$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mij.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13955 > : Hi: I'm a new person who is interested in starting up a bee hive. As you > : can see by my e-mail - I have some physical limitations - one is no bending, > : light lifting, etc. Basically, this means that I can water utilizing a water > : hose (have an irrigation system for our lawn). I do not have alot of > : strength - combined with my back and arm disabilities (I'm not wheelchair > : bound at this time - though I use a cane when walking if the distance exceeds > : 25 feet - not sniveling - before you can give me guidance you have to know my > : physical limitations. Open to any suggestions - who I should contact, etc. > : Just looking at the beekeeping magazines I see the traditional type housing > : for bees, but not for anything else. Thanking you in advance. Dick Squires Hi, I kept bees for some years in Germany and in my beekeeping club were at least 2 physical seriously limited beekeepers -much more are physical restricted by their age if you keep in mind that the average age of a german beekeeper is far beyond the 65. In our days most of the beekeeping in Germany is done in the same way like in North America, but traditionally there are a number of other ways (straw baskets in parts of the Lueneburger Heide etc.). As well is was and is still common in Germany, Austria and as well parts of Switzerland to keep the bee hives in a bee house. To give you an idea, imagine a house with only three walls, the 4th wall is made up with bee hives in up to 3 levels. Under such conditions the people developed hives which allow to work from the back and not from the top. On, very popular type of these hive typus is called "Blaetterstock". Think of a cabinet, as deep as a comb-frame and wide enough to arrange 9 -10 frames parallel. The entrance for the bees is on the backside of the cabinet and the front side, facing the inside of the bee house, is closed by a door. Opening the door you see the sideparts of the frames, usually 2 rows of frames + a 3rd for the honey, separated from the breeding room by a grid, in total 18-20 breeding combs and 9-10 honey combs. To work on the bees on of the outer frames is pulled out and the others can now be moved like the pages in a book (the german word blaettern for turning pages gave the name for the hive). The advantages are: -you don't need to lift heavy suppers, because you work with single frames -you can work while sitting in front of the hive (if you don't have several of these hive sitting in top of each others) Disadvantages: -you need more time to check the bees -you are limited to the number of frames, there is no way to add additional space by adding a supper. -migration with the hives is more difficult -more expensive than a supper system Many of my older friends use these kind of hive, one is partly paralized (polio) others are older than 70 years. An cheaper and easier to built alternative is the hive type called "Lagerbeute". This kind of hive is a wooden box for up to 20 frames in 1 level. The frames are parallel to the short side of the box, with the entance on the front side. You work from the top, like in the supper system, but no lifting of suppers. During the honey season a small supper with 9 frames is on top of the box, the other half is covered by the lid, actually the lid is made in 2 parts, each part covers 10 frames. In this system you also use to work with single frames, only the honey supper must be moved -but even this can be done frame by frame in a separate box. Advantages: -no heavy lifting -handling from top -easy and cheap to built -use of conventional frames and equipment Disadvantages: -no additional space except top suppers -heavy and bulky if you want to migrate -sligthly lower honey harvest This kind of hive should be easy to built by carpenters. In principal it is nothing else like a giant supper with 20 frames and a giant bottom board, turned 90 degrees that the narrow side is the frontpart, a additional supper for the honey, and a 2 piece lid (+ 1 piece weater cover). I'am not sure if there are detailed construction plans aviable. If you are interested send me an e-mai and I will contact fellows in Germany to browse for a plan. Best wishes Ulli uhoger@tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca Article 13956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail From: Tim Moeller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Memorial to Esther Piechowski Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:28:47 -0500 Lines: 59 Message-ID: <35E47E0F.FBE93577@noran.com> References: <1998082518221200.OAA28148@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zuul.noran.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FA3161C65023C3015E001B30" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) To: HHF34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13956 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FA3161C65023C3015E001B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My sincerest condolences... BTW, did Esther or any of her family know my father, Dr. Floyd E. Moeller (also a member of the Wisconsin Honey Producers Assoc., not to mention being Chief Research Apiculturist for the USDA in Wisconsin, regional Bee Inspector for the USDA in Wisconsin, Asst. Prof. at the UW Madison, etc.)? HHF34 wrote: > > On August 24th, 1998 beekeepers everywhere lost someone very dear, Esther (Mrs. > Henry)Piechowski died at the age of 80. > > Esther is remembered for many things. She was an avid member of the American > Beekeeping Federation and the Wisconsin Honey Producers Association. In the > early 1950's they(her and Henry) brought the first Honey Queen to the American > Beekeeping federation convention, beginning the American Honey Queen Program. > Esther also served as President of the American Beekeeping Federation > Auxillary. Together with family, they owned and operated a 2500-3000 hive > "Henry's Honey Farm" until 1985 when the business was purchased by the John > Piechowski Family. In 1996, She and Henry were recognized by the Wisconsin > Honey Producers Association with the Pioneer Award for their pioneering work > with the winterization of colonies in the southern climate, honey queen > program, and activity through her years of involvement in the industry. > > Esther is survived by her 12 children, 10 step sons and daughters, and 22 > grandchildren. > > ------------------- > Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! --------------FA3161C65023C3015E001B30 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Timothy Moeller Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Timothy Moeller n: Moeller;Timothy org: NORAN Instruments adr: 2551 West Beltline Hwy.;;;Middleton;WI;53562;USA email;internet: tmoeller@noran.com title: Senior Software Engineer tel;work: (608) 836-4119 tel;home: (608) 838-3564 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------FA3161C65023C3015E001B30-- Article 13957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Robert Granelli Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:37:02 -0700 Organization: Weinstein & Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35E47FFE.4CE7493B@weinsteincpa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.108.44.81 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Aug 26 4:36:42 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13957 Is there anyone out there who could help me? I am new to beekeeping and I have been unable to successfully requeen hives. I tried it twice on two weak hives. The first time I put the queen cage, the bees didn't release her. I came back next week and the queen was still in the cage dead. I did remove most of the candy in the cage. The second time on another hive I did the same thing. I waited a few hours and checked the queen cage and the bees didn't release her. I decided to pull the plug and let the queen go myself. I checked the hive a few hours later and the queen was gone. Either she was killed by the worker bees or left. Anyway, I am at my wits end and any help would be greatly appreciated. I can be reached directly at rgranelli@weinsteincpa.com Article 13958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: Adrian Hamer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Your views please Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:49:04 +0100 Organization: Vision Geobotanical Research Lines: 55 Message-ID: <35E49EEE.F3034924@which.net> References: <35E377E3.D39E1081@which.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.101.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B1AC73BD345E92F06A709D6D" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13958 --------------B1AC73BD345E92F06A709D6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a corrected version as some of you noticed the URL spelling mistake. Adrian Hamer Corrected: > I would be interested in your views, as I have just started to set-up > an Internet site for a little company I will be running from home. > It's an information research service, your views are still appreciated > even if you have no interest in the service. > > http://www.internet-club.com/uk/visionresearch/index.htm > > Thank you very much for your time. > > Yours Faithfully, > > Adrian Hamer > > Email: visionresearch@mailexcite.com > Web: http://www.internet-club.com/uk/visionresearch/index.htm --------------B1AC73BD345E92F06A709D6D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a corrected version as some of you noticed the URL spelling mistake.

Adrian Hamer Corrected:

 I would be interested in your views, as I have just started to set-up an Internet site for a little company I will be running from home. It's an information research service, your views are still appreciated even if you have no interest in the service.

http://www.internet-club.com/uk/visionresearch/index.htm

Thank you very much for your time.

Yours Faithfully,

Adrian Hamer

Email: visionresearch@mailexcite.com
Web: http://www.internet-club.com/uk/visionresearch/index.htm

  --------------B1AC73BD345E92F06A709D6D-- Article 13959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!208.10.192.30!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jbirt@link2000.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:59:42 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6s2eid$rlh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.243.38.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 27 01:59:42 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13959 Can anyone please advise me on changing my 2 frame Dadant extractor to a more user friendly type, ie, affixing a motor to it. It seems that I have seen plans somewhere for this but until I finished extracting my 16 supers did I think I needed the motorized type. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Fivepoint@webtv.net (Daniel Restle) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <13949-35E4C381-132@newsd-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <1998082617162600.NAA14603@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAqDXtC8jZHRi8uILsXKYQxJy8kNMCFAKn8nQmuvt3ILmRTAaBw2TnmD5z Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13960 Good idea, be sure to use lead free shot and recycle those cans . Dan Article 13961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.3.65.3!news.indy.net!not-for-mail From: Mary Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:31:54 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35E48CDA.2C6C@indy.net> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.87.16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13961 Greetings, We finally got a supra of honey off of one of our bee hives. We were not expecting to get any since this is our first year. Much to the surprise of my wife who did not understand how much honey was in the bottom of the hand cranked extractor that we borrowed we now have about thirty pounds. Mary's Husband Tobi Article 13962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: slight correction to Memorial to Esther Piechowski Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1998082703543100.XAA21165@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Aug 1998 03:54:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998082518221200.OAA28148@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13962 >On August 24th, 1998 beekeepers everywhere lost someone very dear, Esther >(Mrs. >Henry)Piechowski died at the age of 80. > >Esther is remembered for many things. She was an avid member of the American >Beekeeping Federation and the Wisconsin Honey Producers Association. In the >early 1950's they(her and Henry) brought the first Honey Queen to the >American >Beekeeping Federation convention, beginning the American Honey Queen Program. > >Esther also served as President of the American Beekeeping Federation >Auxillary. Together with family, they owned and operated a 2500-3000 hive >"Henry's Honey Farm" until 1985 when the business was purchased by the John >Piechowski Family. In 1996, She and Henry were recognized by the Wisconsin >Honey Producers Association with the Pioneer Award for their pioneering work >with the winterization of colonies in the southern climate, honey queen >program, and activity through her years of involvement in the industry. > >Esther is survived by her 12 children, 10 son and daughter in-laws, and 22 >grandchildren. > > ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 13963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: user114786@aol.com (User114786) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Goto : http://members.aol.com/user114786/index100.html $$$$$ Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998082704143900.AAA07139@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Aug 1998 04:14:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13963 Goto : http://members.aol.com/user114786/index100.html $$$$$ Article 13964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: user114786@aol.com (User114786) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Goto : http://members.aol.com/user114786/index100.html $$$$$ Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998082704144400.AAA23682@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Aug 1998 04:14:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13964 Goto : http://members.aol.com/user114786/index100.html $$$$$ Article 13965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.mindspring.net!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!hubcap.clemson.edu!sc.edu!news3.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: The AgriSurfer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: We want your agricultURL!! 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Sign up for The AgriSurfer newsletter when you visit! http://www.agrisurf.com http://www.agrisurfer.com Article 13966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.belnet.be!news.fundp.ac.be!mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be!user From: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be (Benoit MARTIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:05:57 +0200 Organization: F.U.N.D.P - Cellular Biochemistry Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6s18pg$ss3$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bdd11b$6efdf060$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13966 In article (Dans l'article) <01bdd11b$6efdf060$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca>, "Ulli Hoeger" wrote (écrivait) : > Under such conditions the people developed hives which allow to work from > the back and not from the top. On, very popular type of these hive typus > is called "Blaetterstock". Think of a cabinet, as deep as a comb-frame and > wide enough to arrange 9 -10 frames parallel. The entrance for the bees is > on the backside of the cabinet and the front side, facing the inside of the > bee house, is closed by a door. Opening the door you see the sideparts of > the frames, usually 2 rows of frames + a 3rd for the honey, separated from > the breeding room by a grid, in total 18-20 breeding combs and 9-10 honey > combs. > Ulli > uhoger@tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca > Which are the characteristics of this kind of hive called "Blaetterstock" ? I'd like to know the dimension of the frames. -- Benoit MARTIN Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be Article 13967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998082617274000.NAA15950@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Aug 1998 17:27:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35E440E5.6E5576F5@open.ac.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13967 Amatraz is used in the Middle East as a fumigant for varroa with a high degree of success. BUT IT IS HIGHLY TOXIC AND A CARCINOGEN. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998082617162600.NAA14603@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Aug 1998 17:16:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35E3361A.5C884044@earthlink.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13968 With all of these great ideas on dealing with wasps I'm suprised no one has offered the lounge chair/six pack/shotgun technique. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment. Date: 26 Aug 1998 18:14:58 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 34 Message-ID: <01bdd11d$75ca7060$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <35E440E5.6E5576F5@open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mij.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13969 Richard Yates wrote in article <35E440E5.6E5576F5@open.ac.uk>... > Does anyone have any information on the treatment of Varroa by > fumigation methods? I know that considerable work has gone on > researching the use of formic acid, but what about anything else? Hi, formic acid is the only varroa treatment that works in that way. All other suggestions you made wouldn't work without killing the bees too, if ever. And espcl. nicotine is known for residues, simply if people use tabbacoo in their smokers you can find it in honey and wax. (I hope you know that formic acid is not used in the smoker). There are alternative methods used in Europe, due most of the commercial pharmacological stuff seems to be more and more useless (resistance of the mites). Formic acid becomes more and more popular and there is meanwhile a variety of application methods. Others with "Oxalsaeure" (Oxal-acid, don't know the english name) dissolve in sugarwater seems to work very well (used by professional italian beekeepers). All these treatments work in the same way. In bees the tolerance for these substances is much bigger than in mites. Overdose will also kill the bees. So be carefull with own experiments and refere to beekeeping journals (try to get some european ones). Best regards Ulli Article 13970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: 27 Aug 1998 15:55:19 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 38 Message-ID: <01bdd1d3$197bf2a0$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6s18pg$ss3$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bdd11b$6efdf060$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mij.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13970 Benoit MARTIN wrote in article ... > > Which are the characteristics of this kind of hive called "Blaetterstock" > ? I'd like to know the dimension of the frames. > -- > Benoit MARTIN > Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be > The frame dimensions usually used in "Blaetterstock" are the so called Deutsch-Normalmass. But I am pretty sure that in other regions in Germany also other frame sizes were used. I guess no were else in the world has been so many different frame sizes in use as in Germany in the past. Today you still can find more than 10 different foundation sizes in catalogs of german suppliers. Most people use today the Zander size or the above mentioned Deutsch-Normalmass. This frame size is very common in many parts of Germany and used in modern supper systems. Most of the beekeeping instituted and professional beekeepers use the Zander frame size, but many others (also some pro's) use the slightly smaller Deutsch-Normalmass. I don't have it's size in mind and also no books to check it out for you, but it is slightly shorter and a bit higher than Zander-size frames. I would estimate it to be 30-32cm long and 20 cm high (size of the wax foundation). A special feature of the frames used in the Blaetterstock hive is the lack of "ears", they have a simple kind of hook in one of the upper corners. Thats because you don't lift the frames out of the top of the hive, you pull them towards you with the short side. I don't have experience with this system, because I used to work with the widely common supper system, but it was the main system used in Germany till the 70th and many beekeepers still use it. Best regards Ulli Article 13971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:05:50 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 35 Message-ID: <35E583DE.25ACE536@bigfoot.com> References: <35E47FFE.4CE7493B@weinsteincpa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904233944 NBDG1/W8AB036D018C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13971 Robert: I'm sure there are much more experienced beekeepers out there but from my obversavations you first waited too long before releasing her and the second time too little. I first wet the candy with a few drops of water, wait 2-3 days then if she is not released I then release her. Larry Robert Granelli wrote: > Is there anyone out there who could help me? I am new to beekeeping and > I have been unable to successfully requeen hives. I tried it twice on > two weak hives. > > The first time I put the queen cage, the bees didn't release her. I came > back next week and the queen was still in the cage dead. I did remove > most of the candy in the cage. > > The second time on another hive I did the same thing. I waited a few > hours and checked the queen cage and the bees didn't release her. I > decided to pull the plug and let the queen go myself. I checked the hive > a few hours later and the queen was gone. Either she was killed by the > worker bees or left. > > Anyway, I am at my wits end and any help would be greatly appreciated. > > I can be reached directly at rgranelli@weinsteincpa.com -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.ultranet.com!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!altenbur From: altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: 27 Aug 1998 16:16:49 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6s40ph$ss2$1@node2.nodak.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13972 Toolrat (toolrat@mci2000.com) wrote: : flipped the castle onto it's side(to see what was under there) and was : practically chased back into my house by wasps. Obviously (or nearly so) they were not yellowjackets. : I went back about an hour : later and got a look at the nest from about 20 or 25 feet away, it is about : 6" by 8" hexagon shaped and has about 20 or more wasps working on it It : appears that they're building it larger. I'm guessing that they're umbrella : wasps, by the type of nest. but the wasps look larger than normal and i : couldn't see the yelloe or orange stripes on them. These are paper wasps (Polistes species). They are very beneficial and not very aggressive. : Any how...any ideas on how to get rid of them. I imagine by now you have solved the problem, but for future reference... There are a few options: 1. Leave them be if possible, they will die out shortly anyways. 2. Spray them with a water hose, at a distance, at night until the nest is knocked off to what ever it was attached. 3. Again at night, dress up like a bandito with gloves and a bandana over your face and remove the nest with a rake or shovel or something similar. Be sure not to hold a flashlight or be well illuminated since the wasps make fly towards any bright light source. Red filtered light works well since wasps don't see in the red end of the spectrum very well. 4. Use some kind of spray poison. I personally wouldn't suggest gasoline, you'll have to get very close to use it. The vapors alone don't kill Vespid wasps in general. I have taken many nests from storage areas and boats where the wasps have nested very near gas tanks. -- Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University Fargo, ND 58105 http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~altenbur All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE Article 13973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:57:37 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35E5AC21.CD7FC1EB@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904244250 NBDG1/W8AB036D018C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13973 sorry testing new NG server -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35E5C095.F0FFD1E7@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:24:53 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Multiple Queens in Hive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.114 X-Trace: 27 Aug 1998 20:25:33 GMT, 166.72.76.114 Lines: 34 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.114 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13974 I toss this out to the group. I have heard of swarms that have more than one queen. this is a little different. My observation hive became stressed (another story)but I was able to salvage about half od the bees and the queen. A few weeks later, normal hatching period of 18days, I found a second unmarked queen in the hive. I guessed that the new queen was newly hatched and would go right for the kill of the old marked queen. After almost 2 more weeks they are still living in the hive together. Here are some of my supositions that I offer for insite. 1) She is not a threat to each other since she hasn't mated. The hive has no drones and there are almost no drones in my other hives. I wonder if the new queen is waiting for drones for hatch. There are a few drone cells that should be hatching soon. The new queen does not appear to be laying and the old queen is still laying strong. 2) What's a queen to do? If she can't mate will the workers eventually kill her off like a drone or will both queens continue to live together. 3) If and when she does mate will the hive swarm and who wil become the remaining queen? Well enough on this. Any thoughts? Al Welk... Atlanta, GA Article 13975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "ddavidd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help with medications ? Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:16:11 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6s4ems$7qm@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mhl-ca14-03.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Aug 27 1:14:20 PM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13975 I just started a new swarm about 2 weeks ago. It is doing well. The books say I should medicate the bees. I am in California. I was wondering what medication I should give ? does anyone have a schedule ? david Article 13976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35E5C095.F0FFD1E7@ibm.net> Subject: Re: Multiple Queens in Hive Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:21:57 -0400 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.147 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.147 Message-ID: <35e5db6b.0@news.hom.net> X-Trace: 27 Aug 1998 22:19:23 -0500, 204.216.125.147 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.hom.net!204.216.125.147 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13976 While we're tossing, here's another one... While splitting I came across a hive with two laying queens, each with her own brood nest, one on one side of the box and one on the other.... Chip Article 13977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple Queens in Hive Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:02:38 GMT Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35f5e3d4.257082882@news.monmouth.com> References: <35E5C095.F0FFD1E7@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5p24.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13977 Allen Welk wrote: >My observation hive became stressed (another story)but >I was able to salvage about half od the bees and the >queen. A few weeks later, normal hatching period of >18days, I found a second unmarked queen in the hive. I seem to recall that in a supersede situation, it isn't at all unusual for an old failing queen to live for a while along side her daughter. We don't often notice, because, hey, there's good worker brood, fresh-laid eggs, calm bees; all's (queen)right with the world. It's probably more common than we think! -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B Article 13978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackmann Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:41:27 -0700 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35E618D7.40D6@fidnet.com> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-26.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) To: disabledvet@my-dejanews.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13978 I have MS and cannot lift a full Illinois super so I take one frame at a time. But I would love to try a TBH in my yard if I could find a place and tend it more often and figure out how to protect it in the winter. Article 13979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple Queens in Hive Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:12:44 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6s53mr$uqf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35E5C095.F0FFD1E7@ibm.net> <35e5db6b.0@news.hom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 28 02:12:44 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13979 In article <35e5db6b.0@news.hom.net>, "Chip McCurdy" wrote: > While we're tossing, here's another one... > > While splitting I came across a hive with two laying queens, each with her > own brood nest, one on one side of the box and one on the other.... > > Chip > > I found 3 MARKED queens in one colony after uniting 3 weak but alive colonies one Spring several years ago. The boxes were just stacked together with NO effort made to slowly unite them (no paper, etc.). I have numerous times found two queens in colonies with one being a unmarked daughter of the marked original queen (this is VERY annoying when it happens in a breeder colony when you MUST know you are grafting off the breeder queen). I too suspect this happens FAR more often than we think because shoot if you are looking for the queen and you find a queen just how often do you keep right on a-looking?? Jack Griffes Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI USA jack_griffes AT hotmail.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:46:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 72 Message-ID: <6s55m2$gf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35E47FFE.4CE7493B@weinsteincpa.com> <35E583DE.25ACE536@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 28 02:46:26 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13980 In article <35E583DE.25ACE536@bigfoot.com>, Larry Williard wrote: > Robert: > I'm sure there are much more experienced beekeepers out there but from > my obversavations you first waited too long before releasing her and the > second time too little. > I first wet the candy with a few drops of water, wait 2-3 days then if she > is not released I then release her. > Larry Larry et al, Queen Candy varies WIDELY between makers. Humidity in your area along with temperature effects the candy. Hereabouts adding water is likely to get her released too soon. Where you are and with HARD candy it may be just the ticket. > Robert Granelli wrote: > > > Is there anyone out there who could help me? I am new to beekeeping and > > I have been unable to successfully requeen hives. I tried it twice on > > two weak hives. Robert, You did not mention killing or removing the old queen from these hives. My suspicion is that may well be all you need to do to have success. A caged queen has darn near zero chance of getting accepted if candy released into a queenright colony. > > The first time I put the queen cage, the bees didn't release her. I came > > back next week and the queen was still in the cage dead. I did remove > > most of the candy in the cage. IF you looked at the dead queen you would likely have seen she was missing feet. Watch for bees biting the cage screen as an indicator of an existing queen and essentially zero chance that your caged queen will live if released under those conditions. > > The second time on another hive I did the same thing. I waited a few > > hours and checked the queen cage and the bees didn't release her. I > > decided to pull the plug and let the queen go myself. I checked the hive > > a few hours later and the queen was gone. Either she was killed by the > > worker bees or left. Okay, first of all the colony is unlikely to be ready to accept the queen in but a few hours UNLESS you make a swap of queens in the SAME state of lay (which ain't happening with a mail order queen I assure ya). Secondly if you do hand release a queen after a day or two or three in a cage inside a freshly queenless colony (watching to see that NO bees are acting anything but utterly friendly to her) - you MUST NOT open that colony again that day as you could incite them to ball her. Initial acceptance (before the queen has been in there and is up to full lay) is a fragile thing - reopening the colony can get a queen killed under those conditions - best to give her at least a week to get up to speed and just be curious until then. Jack Griffes Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI USA jack_griffes AT hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: Howard Eberly Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:29:46 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35E62429.F2F3096F@richmond.infi.net> References: <1998082617162600.NAA14603@ladder03.news.aol.com> <13949-35E4C381-132@newsd-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-156.richmond.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13981 Good one! Daniel Restle wrote: > Good idea, be sure to use lead free shot and > recycle those cans . > > Dan Article 13982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Ima-beeliever@webtv.net (Ima Beeliever) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood and Honey Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2416-35E61E95-7@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAgRoeVogAPqKlq81hFMvPZuut6EgCFQDBf5UAyDDS9HAYPYgnkO9IkNVhLQ== Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13982 While checking one of my hives this week, I found brood and honey together on the same frames in the top brood box. They had plenty of room to store nectar in honey supers (no queen excluder in use.) I put a couple of new frames of foundation in center of brood box when I saw what they had done. There were also a couple of supersedure cells on one of he frames. They were both open. I would assume that the bees must have swarmed, but the hive seemed to have a million bees. I tried to find the queen, but without success. I have six hives of Buckfast bees and the only queen I've been able to find is one that is marked. I know they are there because the hives are full of brood. The other hives have good brood pattern. What happened to this one? Article 13983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: Blake M Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:36:52 -0400 Organization: done through the use of very fuzzy logic! Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6s5q0k$d6m@news-central.tiac.net> References: <35E3361A.5C884044@earthlink.net> <1998082617162600.NAA14603@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blakem.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13983 Beetools wrote: > With all of these great ideas on dealing with wasps I'm suprised no one has > offered the lounge chair/six pack/shotgun technique. > > Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Uhhhhh, no, well not exactly........ Ive found yellowjackets to be very challanging airborne targets when used with a 22cal shotshells and a pistol. Sorta like a modified type of sporting clays...... Cant wait for the nasty replies on this one. Blake Post Scripto- Rosie, Ok that was a bit of a strech with the eco-freak, and I was a bit off on calling him a tree hugger. Just a innocent question: have you hugged you trees? I promise to bee nice, even to the annoying ones........ -- CUM CATAPULTAE PROSCRIPTAE ERUNT TUM SOLI PROSCRIPTI CATAPULTAS HABEBUNT. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults....) http://www.tiac.net/users/blakem/ My Email address is altered due to the prevalence of bulk Email senders. To send me mail remove the *'s before the TIAC.NET. Article 13984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: linda3067@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Bulletin Board Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:57:29 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6s65v9$4j8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.240.45.97 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 28 11:57:29 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13984 Hi Everyone, I found this great bulletin board today. Thought it might be useful to some of you. Take Care, Linda http://beekeeping.miningco.com/mpboards.htm -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book Search...help... Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 09:42:54 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <17FC088A1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <35eb783d.7093951@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13985 Drop Wicwas Press a line. Larry Connor (owner) can be reached at LJConnor@AOL.COM Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! In article <35eb783d.7093951@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk writes: > >I am looking for a copy of the Illustrated Encyclopaedia of >Beekeeping, by Morse and (I think ) Hooper. Article 13986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa question Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:47:53 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 11 Sender: sagdeg@208.24.176.49 Message-ID: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13986 Has there been any studies as to whats happining with wild bees and varroa. Are we looking at the total extiction of honey bees except in captivity. Larry -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with medications ? Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998082818145200.OAA03411@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Aug 1998 18:14:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6s4ems$7qm@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13987 For a month-by-month, blow-by-blow gudie to beekeeping check out my Basics in Notrhwest Beekeeping at http://members.aol.com/beetools/basics You will need to make slight seasonaly adjustments depending on where you are in California. If you have any question, drop me a line. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book Search...help... Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:13:17 GMT Message-ID: <35eb783d.7093951@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-97.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-97.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13988 I am looking for a copy of the Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Beekeeping, by Morse and (I think ) Hooper. I'm tired of having to borrow it from the library. Can anyone help? -- jaf@jaf.nildramDELETETHIS.co.uk Article 13989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment. Date: 28 Aug 1998 12:15:22 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bdd27d$85f039a0$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <35E440E5.6E5576F5@open.ac.uk> <1998082617274000.NAA15950@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mij.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13989 Beetools wrote in article <1998082617274000.NAA15950@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > Amatraz is used in the Middle East as a fumigant for varroa with a high degree > of success. BUT IT IS HIGHLY TOXIC AND A CARCINOGEN. > > Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee > And the people seriously use this stuff ?? What about residues in the hive, i.e. honey and wax. This is a sad story! Is it realy legal to use this stuff? Ulli Article 13990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998082818303400.OAA05018@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Aug 1998 18:30:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13990 Yes, and yes. By most accounts, 98% of the winter-overed feral hives are gone anywhere in the world that there is commerecial agriculture. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bad Bees ! Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:51:16 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6s78p1$bp7@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <1998082818202700.OAA20288@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn12-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Aug 28 2:51:29 PM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13991 >I live in Minnesota and have a swarm/brood somewhere in the woods behind my >home. There are thousands of honeybees (not sweat bees, not bumblebees). >Recently, they have become EXTREMELY aggresive. What do I do? > Where do you live in MN? -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. TPike23 wrote in message <1998082818202700.OAA20288@ladder01.news.aol.com>... Article 13992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tpike23@aol.com (TPike23) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bad Bees ! Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998082818202700.OAA20288@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Aug 1998 18:20:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13992 I live in Minnesota and have a swarm/brood somewhere in the woods behind my home. There are thousands of honeybees (not sweat bees, not bumblebees). Recently, they have become EXTREMELY aggresive. What do I do? They have stung me three times (no alergy here...). Basically, they won't let me mow my lawn, use a weed-wacker or enjoy my summer afternoons. Each day, I venture outside afternoon to TRY to be productive. All that I ever really get to do is entertain the neighborhood by my dancing in the driveway, my swatting and my sprinting abilities. I have never been around a more aggresive swarm of bees. WHAT'S GOING ON? Any advice? Would anyone know of a bee keeper in Minnesota willing to come out and take these guys away. It would be greatly appreciated. Tpike23@aol.com Article 13993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: update email address to apinet-L and kentbee-L Message-ID: <904340974@zbee.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:49:34 GMT Lines: 28 Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 28 Aug 1998 23:00:22 -0100, 194.112.43.78 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!uunet!in2.uu.net!falcon.america.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13993 Hello bee webpage owners, Apinet-L and Kentbee-L have a new domain address. Please update your sites/info sheets on these Beekeeping mailing lists. Any references to amigabee.org.uk please change to zbee.com To subscribe to Apinet-L or Kentbee-L mailing list send email TO: listserv@zbee.com Subject: Message body: subscribe apinet-l firstname secondname or subscribe kentbee-L firstname secondname We have a number of UK beekeepers that use the ZbeeNet BBS E-mail service so please check bee address books for @amigabee.org.uk and change to @zbee.com Thank you STEVEN TURNER G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of ZBeeNet BBS. http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ Email: beeman@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 13994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.14.113.10!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: W & E Bowles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: observation hive Date: 28 Aug 1998 21:03:59 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6s75vv$h8g$0@208.18.95.51> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.95.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13994 I now have my observation hive in full operation. It is, by far, the most interesting thing I've ever encountered. I suggest that anyone really interested in the activity of there bees should make one. With this hive you see everything from within inches, the bees don't seem to mind us peering at them day and night. We watch the queen lay, the development of the new bees and what the rest of the hive is doing. I had the pleasure of seeing the drones being expelled, a queen cell being constructed and the new queen emerge. I especially love watching the new bees coming out and doing there little dance to get their circulation going ( I assume). Thanks to all who contributed there ideas and plans so that I could do this. Special thanks to Morris Booton for physically helping me and allowing me to use his shop and equiptment. I have it sitting next to my other best hobby. (the computer) In Him, Elizabeth Article 13995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with medications ? Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4537-35E72F10-42@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <1998082818145200.OAA03411@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRA5O+RZ3+PABcvX+d4fUY3OeiVVQIVAJTy44jnND9NxX62m6cz7NxqHSp9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13995 I was unable to access this site. Article 13996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:47:04 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35e74af3.30931477@news.jps.net> References: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.16 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.16 Lines: 43 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13996 On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:47:53 -0500, Larry Williard wrote: > Has there been any studies as to whats happining with wild bees and >varroa. Are we looking at the total extiction of honey bees except in >captivity. Hi Larry, The problem is that one small study was reported on a few years ago that may or may not have been valid and it was picked up by newspapers and repeated by many who should have known better and became the so called scientific truth. It never was the truth and in fact feral hives or the number of feral hives is the function of the number of kept hives and the environment they are kept in. Good environmental conditions have returned to much of the United States and feral populations are in fact on the increase as kept hives and feral hives swarm. Some urban areas report 300% more swarm calls then in the past few years. Honey bee swarms conjugate to certain areas as drone do, no one knows why and many have guessed everything from air currents, magnetic fields, and you name it. So these areas have more feral hives. Some of these areas may be in the middle of a city, in any case in one report that predicted the end to a feral honey bee populations when the number of hives continued to be reduced over a period of years has now has reported an fifteen fold increase to numbers never recorded before. Honey bees have never disappeared from any area of the world that can support them, (has honey bee pasture), once they have been introduced and that includes many places that are considered to be hostile environments by man. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Zettastone@webtv.net (rosie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: umbrella wasps I think... Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4324-35E73A49-13@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6s5q0k$d6m@news-central.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR0Ksu8lWfzdvcZKfu/zx3VFw/d9QIUXvCK9sQbGqEslx0K17NAAsiQCVg= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13997 Blake, No problem (I hope I'm not too annoying), actually I have hugged a few trees in my time, but only when I was about to fall out of them. I also admit that I've killed a few on purpose. Every year I have to destroy a few Sumac that decide to take up residence in my flower beds. Speaking of guns and bees, this spring I had to destroy one of my queens. I let her live for about six months waiting for her to decide to lay eggs. One of my books said they could take a little while to start laying, it didn't say she should have brood in just a matter of days. Anyway, my son loves to kill things, squirrel, deer, (of course I hate it but it does put some good food on the table.) I asked him to go up and shoot my queen, I just couldn't kill her myself. He wouldn't do it!! and after all the hours of labor I suffered................. (-: Article 13998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Zettastone@webtv.net (rosie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4538-35E768D7-41@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <35e74af3.30931477@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR0STOAbM1Sy9lh6b+m6FGbKqtjtgIUQLLdHIX7ZVbGUQSXJ50hKWZ4VRM= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13998 I don't know about other parts of the world. I can only comment on my own back yard. I live in the country and until just about five years ago, I couldn't walk across my yard barefoot (I hate shoes) without being stung by a honeybee. I knew they were honeybees because they always left their stingers. That was the full extent of my knowledge about honeybees. I had a wonderful garden and my cucumbers were extremely plentiful. Then the next summer nothing grew well. The third summer I noticed all kinds of other bees but no honeybees. Most people I talk to haven't seen a honeybee in a long, long time but have only just realized it. I started beekeeping last spring and now have a grand total of eight hives, but have only just begun seeing honey bees in my flowerbeds or working the clover in my lawn. What I find especially frightening is that there are actually children around here who have never seen a honeybee except as a cartoon character. I hope you are right and there are still abundant feral colonies, but regardless, I intend, the good Lord willing, to keep honeybees for as long as I'm able to tend them. Article 13999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1998082818284900.OAA04829@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Aug 1998 18:28:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdd27d$85f039a0$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13999 Absolutly NOT in this country (USA) and most others with some degree of pesticide control. My point was that there are beekeepers around the world (including this county unfortunatly) that use treatments that are non-controlable, very dangerous to themslves and the bees, but are cheap. It is the application of Mavrik (fluvalinate sold as a pesticide) on blue paper shop towels that was most likely the source of Apistan-resistant Varroa in Flordia. (Go into a Pep Boys in Flordia and try to find blue shop towels these days and you'll get a sense of the scope of this mis-use problem). Drops of Amatraz on filter paper in a smoker is used in this country by licsenced researchers as a control in testing for the effectiveness of other treatments for tracheal mites, but these people are trained and have the proper protection equipment BEFORE the use this stuff. DO NO TRY IT YOURSELF. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Ron Bennett Article 14000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book Search...help... Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:52:21 GMT Message-ID: <35f2f22f.38316488@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35eb783d.7093951@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <17FC088A1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-17.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!oleane!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-17.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14000 On Fri, 28 Aug 98 09:42:54 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >>I am looking for a copy of the Illustrated Encyclopaedia of >>Beekeeping, by Morse and (I think ) Hooper. >Drop Wicwas Press a line. Larry Connor (owner) can be reached at >LJConnor@AOL.COM Thanks, will do.. Article 14001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed2.gte.net.MISMATCH!news.gte.net!not-for-mail From: "Rod and Helen Huisman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees and potatoes Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:54:47 -0700 Organization: gte.net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6s8533$phq$1@news-2.news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust12.tnt1.mount-vernon.wa.da.uu.net X-Auth: C41CDC5D46DA84D048D18491 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14001 I live just of of I-5 in Washington. My be hive was outstanding early this spring and after some spraying in a potatoe field near my hive, bees and brood plumited. Being a rookie bee keeper I thought I was dooing a poor job. Then a week ago it donned on me, the spraying! Does anyone know what is used in spraying a potatoe field befor planting and can that cause my bee #'s problem? Article 14002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: ImaBeeliever@webtv.net (Ima Beeliever) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6716-35E81813-11@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRmxj07/jjlQnUgkvw0/Oj2YacNswIVAKTL4DS/Tg9DX05UP0p6bqE9g60b Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14002 DUH, WHAT A RELIEF!!! All that worrying for nothing! With only one hive surviving out of several, and if that same rate of survival applies to all beeyards, how long do you think it will take for the hb's to return in sufficient numbers to pollinate what needs to be pollinated? Hb's kept in controlled hives aren't stressed the way feral bees are (hopefully), so may take even longer to come back. I agree with you that they will eventually develope their own resistence to varroa, but can we afford to just sit back and wait for them to evolve? Article 14003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!egsner!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:13:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port20.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14003 Larry Williard wrote: > Has there been any studies as to whats happining with wild bees and >varroa. Are we looking at the total extiction of honey bees except in >captivity. I wouldn't worry about it, the bees will survive. I know of a colony here in southern Maryland that has had varroa for three years with no treatments and it is still doing well! The genes are out there. The only thing the honey bee has to worry about is beekeepers! I suspect that they will even survive our stupidity. P.S. This colony's survival is not due environmental factors since several packages were started and never made it to the winter due to the mites. Some of you might be wondering why I didn't contact USDA about these bees. I did and never received a call back. I figure that with the Russian bees and all findings bees with resistance in our back yard might cost somebody their job. Being a state bee inspector at the time I also reported it to my superiors at the main office and never even got a return call from the boss? If you think that the federal or state gov'ts give a damn about your bees you better think again. It is in their best interest for your bees to be sick and die. That is the only job security they have. If we could get gov't completly out of our bees they will stand a much better chance of surviving. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsfeed.fast.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:28:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6s9h64$gj4$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> <6716-35E81813-11@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port15.annex4.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14004 ImaBeeliever@webtv.net (Ima Beeliever) wrote: > DUH, WHAT A RELIEF!!! All that worrying for nothing! > With only one hive surviving out of several, and if that same rate >of survival applies to all beeyards, how long do you think it will take >for the hb's to return in sufficient numbers to pollinate what needs to >be pollinated? > Hb's kept in controlled hives aren't stressed the way feral bees >are (hopefully), so may take even longer to come back. > I agree with you that they will eventually develope their own >resistence to varroa, but can we afford to just sit back and wait for >them to evolve? Sure we can, after all the commercial beekeepers are keeping their bees alive. With the lack of bees for pollination, poor quality fruit will be produced, making the need for ours bees worth considerably more money. I'm getting $50 per hive at present and the farmers are very happy. The hive that I was talking about was only touched once a year when I inspected it. Inspections consisted of removing the inner cover and looking at the combs as best could be done since six frames were nonexistant. It was located in thick brush that was worse every year. That's what sparked my curiosity and I thoroughly questioned the owner. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: estring6@aol.com (E String 6) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and potatoes Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998082918021200.OAA07935@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Aug 1998 18:02:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6s8533$phq$1@news-2.news.gte.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14005 Interesting question, Here on Long Island,N Y., We have a struggling potato crop.I 'm interested in a knowledgable reply. Andy Kepert. Article 14006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: disabledvet@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:48:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 54 Message-ID: <6s9pe9$b18$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35e74af3.30931477@news.jps.net> <4538-35E768D7-41@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <6s8b5q$2cp$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.212.116.51 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 29 20:48:09 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-NBWA (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.212.116.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14006 Hi: My observations for the last two years in Reno, Nevada; I have not seen an Italian type Honey Bee - Bumble Bees & mud wasps - but, not "honey bees." FWIW category. In article <6s8b5q$2cp$1@news.vic.com>, "Larry Williard" wrote: > Rosie: > I also remember whan I was a kid we lived in the suburbs in a project, > lots size about 50 x 100 and I remember there were many honey bees in the > yard on the dasies etc, 45 years ago. But now I live in the country 30 acres > and have NEVER seen a honey bee untill I got my hive a few months ago. We > also have a wildflower garden NO honeybees. > The beekeepers that USED to have hives all lost them to the mite and I cant > find anyone withen 40 miles with a hive, although there must be some > somewhere. > > Larry > > rosie wrote in message <4538-35E768D7-41@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... > I don't know about other parts of the world. I can only comment on my > own back yard. I live in the country and until just about five years > ago, I couldn't walk across my yard barefoot (I hate shoes) without > being stung by a honeybee. I knew they were honeybees because they > always left their stingers. That was the full extent of my knowledge > about honeybees. > > I had a wonderful garden and my cucumbers were extremely plentiful. > Then the next summer nothing grew well. The third summer I noticed all > kinds of other bees but no honeybees. Most people I talk to haven't > seen a honeybee in a long, long time but have only just realized it. > > I started beekeeping last spring and now have a grand total of eight > hives, but have only just begun seeing honey bees in my flowerbeds or > working the clover in my lawn. > > What I find especially frightening is that there are actually children > around here who have never seen a honeybee except as a cartoon > character. > > I hope you are right and there are still abundant feral colonies, but > regardless, I intend, the good Lord willing, to keep honeybees for as > long as I'm able to tend them. > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: jmsmith@kdsi.net (Joe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Plans Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:36:45 GMT Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 1 Message-ID: <35e8c882.2360800@news.kdsi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.218.11 X-Trace: 904448165 V1ARDBBYKDAB D0A1C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14007 Does anybody have some simple plans for a hive? Thanks Article 14008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news.idt.net!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed2.news.digex.net!digex!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:08:52 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 55 Message-ID: <6sbbq8$mgg$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> <6safj3$4u3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port10.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14008 jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: >Greg et al, >Yes the genes are out there - in "needle in a HUGE haystack" fashion. >However in Apis mellifera resistance to Varroa certainly appears to me to be >multiple gene whereas in Apis cerana it may well be one gene. Thus when one >finds a colony of Apis mellifera with the needed combo of genes to survive >(AND thrive) with no treatment for either mite it still is a pretty huge >challenge to get them to pass the whole combo on with any degree of >reliability (especially since we don't yet know just what gene combo it >takes). So when you find a colony such as described above please let me know >about it. ALSO mark the queen so you can verify it is the original (as her >daughters may not end up with the "magic" combo of genes). If you loose the >original queen but have a multiple year untreated survivor daughter we can >attempt recovering Mama's genetics via using daughters drones. Main point >being - that colony setting there ain't helping nobody near as much as it >should be. At the VERY least graft a few thousand queens off it if it is >actually THRIVING not just surviving untreated. But do contact me as well. >Jack Griffes >Honeybee Improvement Program >10415 Teachout Road >Onsted, MI 49265 >USA >(517) 467-2818 >jack_griffes AT hotmail.com >http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ I agree with your post. I decided not to renew my inspectors contract to give me more time to do things that seem a little more worthwhile to beekeeping. This winter I plan to build at least a 100 mating nucs. If those bees are still there and doing well this coming spring they will be my new breeding stock. If all goes well I will set up a couple of yards with no treatments. One would think that over a period of 4 years that these bees have swarmed. BTW this hive was a feral swarm that took up residence in an abandoned hive. I will be touch next spring. It is good to see that somebody out there really gives a damn. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Gabe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fall medication?? Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:02:38 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6sbo13$oim@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: trn-nj2-13.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 30 7:36:19 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/4.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14009 Hello, I am a new beekeeper and I live in New Jersey. I started a 3 pound swarm this April. Everything went well. Now the Honey flow is coming to an end. What should I do to make sure they make it over winter? When should I start medicating them and with what? I have read a few books and talked to a local beekeeper but am still a bit unsure of what needs to be done. I am anxious to keep them healthy since its only one hive and if lost Id have to start all over. Alos, I am planing to move them about an hours drive away. When is the best time to move them? THanks for all your responses in advance. This newsgroup seems to be VERY helpful, thanks again. Gabe shriker@ix.netcom.com Article 14010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sseely@aol.com (SSeely) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with medications ? Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998082912091600.IAA16370@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Aug 1998 12:09:16 GMT References: <4537-35E72F10-42@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14010 In article <4537-35E72F10-42@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) writes: >I was unable to access this site. Should be http://members.aol.com/beetools/basics.htm Article 14011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: making light of honey Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:26:19 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35E855DB.14B6@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904418948 .ZFUVYH4M1C17D0EBC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14011 A teacher was working with a group of children, trying to broaden their horizons through sensory perception. She brought in a variety of lifesavers and said, "Children, I'd like you to close your eyes and taste these." The kids easily identified the taste of cherries, lemons and mint, but when the teacher gave them honey-flavored lifesavers, all of the kids were stumped. "I'll give you a hint," said the teacher. "It's something your mommy and daddy probably call each other all the time." Instantly, one of the kids coughed his onto the floor and shouted, "Spit 'em out, they're assholes!" Article 14012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:06:12 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 118 Message-ID: <6safj3$4u3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.21 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 30 03:06:12 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14012 In article <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > Larry Williard wrote: > > > Has there been any studies as to whats happining with wild bees and > >varroa. Are we looking at the total extiction of honey bees except in > >captivity. Given sufficient time Nature might solve the problem IF we beekeepers got out of the way. It might take 50-60 years though and in the meantime HUGE areas would be totally devoid of honeybees if we were to actually step back and let Nature take its course. Obviously we ain't inclined to do that - fact is beekeepers themselves spread the mites all over - and even now "beekeeper survival" measures are working to GREATLY slow down the "survival of the fittest" edict of Nature as many do what they must to repopulate hives often with susceptible stock and medicate the weak to keep them alive when Nature would not agree with their continuance. The simple facts of life require such measures so don't take me as suggesting we all abandon treatment (read my Treatment Timing Tips) - I am simply pointing out that what we beekeepers must do for us to survive is decidely working against a genetic solution UNLESS we simultaneously actively work at said genetic solution. > I wouldn't worry about it, the bees will survive. I know of a colony here > in southern Maryland that has had varroa for three years with no treatments > and it is still doing well! The genes are out there. Greg et al, Yes the genes are out there - in "needle in a HUGE haystack" fashion. However in Apis mellifera resistance to Varroa certainly appears to me to be multiple gene whereas in Apis cerana it may well be one gene. Thus when one finds a colony of Apis mellifera with the needed combo of genes to survive (AND thrive) with no treatment for either mite it still is a pretty huge challenge to get them to pass the whole combo on with any degree of reliability (especially since we don't yet know just what gene combo it takes). So when you find a colony such as described above please let me know about it. ALSO mark the queen so you can verify it is the original (as her daughters may not end up with the "magic" combo of genes). If you loose the original queen but have a multiple year untreated survivor daughter we can attempt recovering Mama's genetics via using daughters drones. Main point being - that colony setting there ain't helping nobody near as much as it should be. At the VERY least graft a few thousand queens off it if it is actually THRIVING not just surviving untreated. But do contact me as well. Jack Griffes Honeybee Improvement Program 10415 Teachout Road Onsted, MI 49265 USA (517) 467-2818 jack_griffes AT hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ > Some of you might be wondering why I didn't contact USDA about these bees. > I did and never received a call back. I figure that with the Russian bees and all > findings bees with resistance in our back yard might cost somebody their job. Hopefully the Russian bees aren't as HUGE a waste as was YUGO. But in all fairness the USDA is actually working with USA bee stocks that have shown some level of resistance. Harbo is working on it using SDM. His findings have caused him to breed for low mite population growth - sometimes even regressive mite population "growth". > Being a state bee inspector at the time I also reported it to my superiors at the > main office and never even got a return call from the boss? Unless they have a VR program up and running just what would you expect them to do??? We have one up and running - call me. > If you think that the > federal or state gov'ts give a about your bees you better think again. > It is in their best interest for your bees to be sick and die. That is the only job > security they have. If we could get gov't completly out of our bees they will > stand a much better chance of surviving. We have gotten the state out of the unrequested bee inspection business hereabouts - of course it was the inspectors not the bigwigs that lost jobs. And I think having the state denied trespass into beeyards is a good thing in many many ways. However despite it being that way now for several years the bees continue to "get sick and die" for many many beekeepers. So methinks your thesis may need thoughtful revision. In my opinion it will take A LOT more hard work and A LOT more cooperative effort among a goodly number of "concerned enough to lift a finger" beekeepers to effect a genetic solution to the dual mite problem (and associated diseases) we have. And you know what - most folks are seemingly too blooming apathetic (they may claim too busy) to actually help change things for the better. "If it's going to be - it is up to me!" Obviously you cared enough to call a couple people so you ain't completely apathetic - now let's see what ya do next. Who am I you ask? Just the Coordinator of the Honeybee Improvement Program - a cooperative breeding program with several thousand colonies involved - goal of 80+% Untreated Thriving Survival of naturally mated daughters of HIP breeder queens. We recieve NO government funding - leaving our hands free to do what we believe needs to be done. And doing it on our own dime and our own time we have a VERY practical approach. Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.219.220.6!news.nidlink.com!usenet From: "J.A. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need some answers please... Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:26:16 -0700 Organization: Fish Ink Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35E9D185.7B44CA8D@nidlink.com> Reply-To: jrogers@nidlink.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3d3-40.nidlink.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14013 Hi, I would like to start beekeeping and have a few questions. Is fall an okay time to purchase/set up a couple hives? I live in North Idaho. If I can find a setup for sale before the snow flies, what would be a good price and are there any special hints to prep it for winter? Would the hives be an attractact for bears? Bad berry season is bringing them down close to homes. Thanks in advance, J. Rogers Article 14014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!nntpgate.globalserve.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: M & L White Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone - a technique for over-wintering (or "banking") queens ? Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:54:54 +0000 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35E9BC1E.28A2D937@globalserve.net> References: <6rine9$jpe$1@newshost.cyberramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin230.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 904525162 24474 209.90.139.39 (31 Aug 1998 00:59:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1998 00:59:22 GMT To: Chris Cowan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14014 Try going to this web site http://www.gov.on.ca/OMAFRA/english/crops/hort/news/ Then go to Apiculture news in the left window at the bottom you will see Gordon Grant and Doug McRory email them. If anyone in Canada can answer your question one of them will be able to.They know of all the bee research going on at the University of Guelph. The research you recall reading about may have been done at the University of Guelph. Good luck Article 14015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35E9BB75.12E9CBF1@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:52:05 -0400 From: Allen Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Joe Subject: Re: Hive Plans References: <35e8c882.2360800@news.kdsi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.193.234 X-Trace: 30 Aug 1998 20:52:46 GMT, 32.100.193.234 Lines: 12 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.193.234 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14015 Here's a great site for hive plans. I made this observation hive and it has worked well. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html I make my own hives but I don't box joint them. We just rabitt the sides. Al Welk, Atlanta, GA Joe wrote: > > Does anybody have some simple plans for a hive? Thanks Article 14016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Blake M Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 04:01:04 -0400 Organization: done through the use of very fuzzy logic! Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6sb0l9$gee@news-central.tiac.net> References: <6s75vv$h8g$0@208.18.95.51> NNTP-Posting-Host: blakem.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14016 W & E Bowles wrote: > I now have my observation hive in full operation. It is, by far, the > most interesting thing I've ever encountered. I suggest that anyone > really interested in the activity of there bees should make one. > > Elizabeth Please post some more infromation, I'd be interested in how it went together. Thanks, Blake -- CUM CATAPULTAE PROSCRIPTAE ERUNT TUM SOLI PROSCRIPTI CATAPULTAS HABEBUNT. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults....) http://www.tiac.net/users/blakem/ My Email address is altered due to the prevalence of bulk Email senders. To send me mail remove the *'s before the TIAC.NET. Article 14017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:17:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6sbca2$mgg$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port10.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14017 Zettastone@webtv.net (rosie) wrote: > Please don't share your views with the powers that be over >healthcare in this country. It just might set them to thinking. Why >would they want to waste their time and our money saving the sick. Just >set back and wait, stop research, and why waste all that vaccine against >small pox, polio, flu, etc. In time the weak will disappear and the >strong will survive. At least until another killer bacteria comes out >of the jungle. > I know, that's a little extreme, but think about it. It's >basically the same concept. Bees were abundant until they got sick. >They need cured. We have treatments that work (at least for the time >being.) > There could well be simple solutions to all the honeybee health >problems, but without actively seeking those solutions, we will never >know. I don't think we can just kick back and let "nature take its >course" evolving that perfect "resistent bee" with the great genes, >while poor susceptible honeybees die. > Man is the only animal that protects its stupid from the forces of evolution. You make a good example. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Static" Subject: A good bee book? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: InterZone Message-ID: <01bdd494$b3322c20$3b010dd0@static> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.1.59 Date: 31 Aug 98 04:18:44 GMT Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!208.13.0.3!news.glasscity.net!208.13.1.59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14018 I have been fascinated with beekeeping for a year or so now, and recently I have been seriously considering taking up this hobby/lifestyle. :) But I am afraid that my real knowledge of beekeeping is spotty at best. Are there any books that you could reccomend? I need something that is a real how-to guide for newbies such as myself. And are there any organizations that are good to join? I would prefer to be able to talk to an experienced beekeeper, and get their advice. Thats usually better than anything you can find in a book. Thanks, Howard Article 14019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!mr.net!newshub.tc.umn.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and potatoes Date: 31 Aug 1998 07:33:58 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6sdjl6$5lg@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6s8533$phq$1@news-2.news.gte.net> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14019 Check with your county extension agent. And, while you're at it, ask him whether there is some help for beekeepers through the extension service in your area. In a previous article, rodhui@gte.net.NOSPAM ("Rod and Helen Huisman") says: >I live just of of I-5 in Washington. My be hive was outstanding early this >spring and after some spraying in a potatoe field near my hive, bees and >brood plumited. Being a rookie bee keeper I thought I was dooing a poor job. >Then a week ago it donned on me, the spraying! Does anyone know what is used >in spraying a potatoe field befor planting and can that cause my bee #'s >problem? > > > -- Article 14020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to stop robbing Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998083114092800.KAA02864@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Aug 1998 14:09:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35E9B216.515F8C8D@globalserve.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14020 A spinning type lawn sprinkler and reduced entrance helped - the fake rain sent them home and the reduced entrance slowed em down.