From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Aug 1999 11:06:30 GMT References: <37A3D90A.2141@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801070630.01152.00001361@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19973 >can't say I ever got the hang of handling a >chopper. > > >AL > yeah i kinda like ta do my laying down in bed. Not that i ain't layed a few down over the years..er......ah ......bikes that is. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:21:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 17:21:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.50 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19974 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you equating > beekeeping to broccoli farming. He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:29:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7o2068$4ub$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 17:29:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.50 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19975 > The guy who sold it to me said it was a beekeeping video. Don't believe everything you hear. Or read. If you are someone who bothers to read the video dustjackets before you rent a movie at the video store, you are well aware that the blurb describing the movie's content OFTEN says things which simply aren't so -- as a matter of fact and not as a matter of interpretation. And occasionally dramas are labeled comedies because they have a bit of comic relief. All I'm saying is: most people, even people in "the industry," aren't very dependable when it comes to describing the content of a video they are selling or trying to rent out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:05:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7o228c$6bc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 18:05:04 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.50 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19976 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >This is unfair characterization of a > commercial beekeeper. It is not a characterization of a beekeeper but of a person. Beekeeping is important to his portrayal, but there is never a hint that he is everybeekeeper. There is an immense difference between this and (negative) use of (usually) minor characters who are never developed as individuals. Stereotypes are sometimes used to flesh out a character the movie makers want us to "comprehend" without their doing the work to make a comprehensible character. Negative portrayal of underdeveloped characters according to a stereotype of their race, class, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, age, occupation, etc. is certainly objectionable. But, if a character is fully developed and happens to show characteristics consistent with aspects of the stereotype which are also "sound" in terms of the total characterization/ psychology, then you can like the character or dislike the character, but it's not an unfair portrayal. Take the white American stereotype of blacks' "having rhythm." It appeared in many, many movies and books as a way around treating blacks as anything more than background. But Gregory Hines IS one hell of a dancer. And the Alvin Ailey dance company have greatly enriched the cultural life of this nation... The fact that their talent and art are in the vein of a stereotype is nothing negative. Any more than it is negative to acknowledge that Michael Jordan is a great basketball player (which corresponds to another well-known stereotype). It is simply one part of reality. What is negative is the expectation that any real individual or sound characterization of a fictional individual represent an entire segment of society. It is an attitude which perpetuates the reduction of the individual into a type which has wrought so much harm down through time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37a88d47.9114723@news.cidial.com> References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> <37a6192b.23732381@news.cidial.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:22:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.239 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 933532031 38.11.203.239 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:27:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:27:11 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19977 hugh, of Boschman hughes Apiaries, advises: >Take it easy Mr. Kroeger, he makes me smile. Diversity and > adversity is the spice of life. Sorry to trodden on your sensibilities Hugh, it's just that when I read: >4 billion self-deletions in the Third World will set the remaining >valuable and usful humans on their straight and true path unmolested. I don't see that as a cryptic statement as Mr. Finkelstein, who with his surname should know better, or as humorous, i.e your view. In America we of course tolerate nazis. In Germany they do not. I wonder why the Germans know something we don't? Charles Kroeger - You can be sincere and still be stupid. Charles F. Kettering From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:33:52 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37A49310.27C6@midwest.net> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19978 paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > > jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > > I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you > equating > > beekeeping to broccoli farming. > > He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ > setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; > it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they > bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in > front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight > schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. > That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or > small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. Wish I'd said it that way... AL From orangerose@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Aug 1999 17:42:53 GMT References: <3793C3FC.B6CC7614@valley.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801134253.10031.00004403@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19979 >seriously, >this 'odor' was less like bear poop [not that i've smelled much of that in my >time], than like something had crawled inside my house and died. This is not very pleasant, but it is scientific--so if you're sqeamish, don't read. * * * * * * Most carnivorous mammals have anal glands--glands that lie just inside the anus on either side of the rectum. Some pet owners may have encountered a dog or a cat with infected glands, which are usually treated by "expressing" them--a truly unpleasant experience for the vet. The smell from anal glands is somewhere between very, very, sick animal and skunk. Animals release the glands when they are very frightened or threatened. Manx or other tailless cats use their anal glands more frequently than their tailed counterparts and usually are the most horrible smelling strays you every encountered. Seizures will also precipitate the release of the glands. (As I personally experienced with a dog I used to have). I would not be too surprised if a good electrical jolt wouldn't do the same thing to a bear/fox/weasel or other predator. End of veterinary anatomy lesson. Kelly From h.tait@home.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> <37a6192b.23732381@news.cidial.com> <37a88d47.9114723@news.cidial.com> Subject: Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:17:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933545863 24.65.132.209 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:17:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:17:43 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19980 Agreed, I think such statements must always be answered and challenged, or else it is assumed one is in agreement and it opens the door to very bad things . Humans nature is such that when you answer such views with trigger statements you are stupid or you should shoot yourself, the other individual immediately stops thinking. Which is what creates this twisted view to start with. As well it isolates the individual and gives him an easy out and your views and argument are dismissed. One should never allow these kind of twisted world views, to go unchallenged, but at the same time, intellgent thought and arguements nust be used. I believe people who hold these kind of views must be made to work very hard to defend them. If this kind of thought was challenged continually instead of the silence that sometimes occurs, there would be less nazis and other things that I know are wrong. I apologise I did not mean to offend, or support the views, only that in your anger ( understandable) you did not use the best tools to do the job. > > - > You can be sincere and still be stupid. > > Charles F. Kettering > From beeman221@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:25:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7o2hgh$g43$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ns2o9$mk8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nvnre$id$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.139.135 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 22:25:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 195.166.139.135 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman221 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19981 In article <7nvnre$id$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > Good question, > I just put two new queens out, one they accepted, and the other they killed. > Just put another in , and will see what happens. One that was accepted had > no queen in it for two weeks, the one that killed the queen, I took the old > queen out of last night. I was wondering if I should unite the two small > colonies now before winter, if they killed the queen again. Any suggestions > preacher Hi Dennis, Is it posible there is a virgin there through supercedure. Just to be on the safe side give them a test frame of eggs and open brood. If there is cell building then they are Queenless and the next introduction will be fine. If there is no sign of cell building then there is a Queen of some discription. By cell building I include the flooding of larvae with brood food, which makes the selected cells stand out by virtue of the ammount of broodfood food making them look very white in comparison to the others. This is apparent 12 hours after dequeening. I hope this helps in any degree. Regards from Scotland, Pete Watt. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lauramleek@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Address Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:37:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801203753.04004.00005063@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19982 If you are using and ISP most newsgroups are listed with the title NEWS/MAIL. Click on news, click on sci, find agr OR agriculture, click on that. You should then find beekeeping in the "B" listing Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Address Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:38:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801203858.04004.00005064@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19983 The majority of ISP carry a news server. No need to go through a seperate server. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:44:41 GMT References: <19990728231353.25204.00003343@ng-cr1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801204441.04004.00005065@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19984 And here I thought the June bugs waited until Aug just beecause EVERYTHING in NC is Slow(er) Laura From cpierce@usit.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!dialup204.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: cpierce@usit.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers In Tennessee? Message-ID: Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:05:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.153.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 933555908 216.80.153.206 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:05:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:05:08 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19985 I have had a honey bee invasion. In about May I observed bees liting on a limb in the front yard. A few weeks ago I found that the bees have set up houskeeping on my house. I hate to destroy these and would like to find someone who would like to adopt them. Please let me know as I need to do somethng before thngs get out of hand for me. Thanks Charles From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Opinions.....Two Hive Bodies Best? From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 11 Message-ID: <0n6p3.8613$lg.495057@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933556796 216.98.71.105 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:19:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:19:56 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:19:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19986 For a number of years I have been keeping my bees in a one and a half story hive made up of a full depth hive body and a Illinois super. During this time I was into comb honey production using Ross Rounds. This year I converted over to extracted honey and sold most of my Ross supers. Now I am trying to decide if I should go with two full depth hive bodies for my normal hive configuration during most of the year when the supers aren't on top or stick with the one and a half story system. My hives are in east Tenn. Looking for advice. John From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnight Bee From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990724015733.17079.00001076@ng-fs1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933557158 216.98.71.105 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:25:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:25:58 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:25:58 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19987 I have kept Midnites and I liked them allot. My bees are kept in a neighborhood setting and the midnites are very calm. Over a period of several years my bees became more and more Italian in genetic makeup through swarming, supercedure, etc. Because of this the bees are becoming more and more aggresive so this fall I plan to requeen all my hives with midnites again. Good honey producers also. John In article <19990724015733.17079.00001076@ng-fs1.aol.com>, spcherub@aol.com says... > >Hello all. I have been looking around for information on the Midnight hybrid >but haven't found alot of info. I'd like to hear the pros and cons of this bee >from anyone who presently keeps them or has in the past. Thanks. > >Todd W. >Palmetto, GA From npatt@snet.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help in removing hive from barn Date: 2 Aug 1999 00:49:08 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7o2pu4$2tg@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh5-port85.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19988 A couple of questions refering to removing honey bees from a barn 1. What is the going rate I could/should charge for the job? 2. What do I do with the brood and honey comb? 3. What other unusual equipment should I have on hand? 4. Any other advice? I have a swarm vacuum. Norm npatt@snet.net From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers In Tennessee? From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933557360 216.98.71.105 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:29:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:29:20 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:29:20 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19989 Where in Tenn? In article , cpierce@usit.net says... > >I have had a honey bee invasion. In about May I observed bees liting on a >limb in the front yard. A few weeks ago I found that the bees have set up >houskeeping on my house. I hate to destroy these and would like to find >someone who would like to adopt them. > >Please let me know as I need to do somethng before thngs get out of hand for me. > >Thanks > >Charles From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:21:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990731014409.14799.00000012@ng-cj1.aol.com> To: MDRbees X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Aug 1999 01:25:13 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Aug 1 18:35:01 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust123.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37A4F28B.7DC0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19990 I had more luck shaking the bees about 10 feet from their location and introducing a laying queen. I put her in a cage and two days later pulled the cork. She was still there two weeks ago. Don From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Aug 2 17:45:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 15:52:10 GMT References: <37a587be.344279109@news.usenetserver.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990802115210.25864.00005525@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19991 > >Bringing Helen home is the odessey > Yeah and the daughter in law is the one who runs into the lotus eaters. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From max@gadsden.com Mon Aug 2 17:45:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Max Sanders" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: used extractor and uncapping knife Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.140.85.74 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 933611603 208.140.85.74 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:33:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:33:23 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:32:09 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19992 I used this Dadant WB401 electric extractor only once. It costs $515 new, holds 6 6 1/4 inch or shallower frames, has electronic speed control, stainless steel construction with honey gate. I am asking $375 plus actual shipping expense from NE Alabama. Also have best quatlity electric uncapping knife.....used once.....Cost $78 new. Asking $45 plus shipping. thanks. Max @gadsden.com 256 )543 3967 From preacherc@cvalley.net Mon Aug 2 17:45:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:23:53 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-130.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933614459 31836 208.232.214.130 (2 Aug 1999 17:20:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 17:20:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19993 I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? thanks preacher From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 2 17:45:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:28:10 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: <37A5B909.70A7@midwest.net> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37a587be.344279109@news.usenetserver.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19994 Hmmm, makes the broccoli angle a bit tougher to make. AL Dave Hamilton wrote: > > It really just a retelling of the story of Ulyssees search for gold > > Ule = Ulyssees > Hope > Penelope - his dead wife = Penny > Helen > > Bringing Helen home is the odessey > > He also finds his real gold - redemption isn't the gold he was > searching for > > Dave > > On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:21:52 GMT, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > > >jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > >> I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you > >equating > >> beekeeping to broccoli farming. > > > >He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ > >setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; > >it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they > >bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in > >front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight > >schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. > >That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or > >small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Paul Kent Oakley > >The Sabine Farm > >Ava, Illinois, USA > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 2 17:45:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:00:04 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7o4m53$k5e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-36.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933616611 20654 209.130.165.36 (2 Aug 1999 17:56:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 17:56:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19995 Dandelions, white and yellow sweet clover, white dutch, alfalfa, buckwheat, alsike, trefoil, maple trees, poplars, American Linden, wildflowers, goldenrod...how's that for starters :-) depends on where you are... Thanks for "giving up" your acreage for the sake of your bees! --Busybee Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... >I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you >plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? >thanks >preacher > > From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 2 17:45:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Table Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:53:47 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 933587975 nnrp-10:5735 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19996 Now that most beekeepers in the UK ought to be thinking of varroa treatment, I have posted a table based on the calculator developed by the NBU and supplied by the BBKA. It is easier to use than the calulator, and should work in places where the calculator is not availble. Try http://www.tomsp8.demon.co.uk -- Tom Speight From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Mon Aug 2 17:45:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees in trees Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:26:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 933593172 208.170.81.139 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 06:26:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 06:26:12 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19997 Met an older gentleman yesterday who tracked some honey bees. 6 am this morning we met and head into the woods and by golly he sure did find the bees, 20 ft up. we felled the tree and pulled a nice swarm with brood but no honey. Learned first hand about tyin in comb and even spotted the queen head in. Also learned the careful cuts and splitting of the log! decent swarm but no honey! Off to tree number 2, this time by four wheeler and then a little hike and sure nuff we managed another swarm and still no honey! He claims they would not have made it through the winter, I guess, seems bees know what to do in my book. Great experience and we were home at noon. He managed to get stung a few times yet I was gloveless doing the frame tying, man was that slick. So for a new keeper I have hived my own swarm, requeened what she left ( I think either that or the buck was balled and the virgin came through!) Working mites out at another hive and now did the tree bees. Next I want to do a little tracking myself, and then sometime I might like to collect a little honey from all this adventure ;>) damon From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 2 17:45:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 12:02:21 GMT References: <19990801204441.04004.00005065@ng-da1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990802080221.07070.00005352@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19998 > beecause EVERYTHING in >NC is Slow(er) > >Laura funny my wife never complains Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hamilton@pbssite.com Tue Aug 3 08:17:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!IRIS.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Message-ID: <37a587be.344279109@news.usenetserver.com> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 40 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:03:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: IRIS 933595042 207.91.44.54 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:57:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:57:22 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19999 It really just a retelling of the story of Ulyssees search for gold Ule = Ulyssees Hope Penelope - his dead wife = Penny Helen Bringing Helen home is the odessey He also finds his real gold - redemption isn't the gold he was searching for Dave On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:21:52 GMT, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: >jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >> I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you >equating >> beekeeping to broccoli farming. > >He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ >setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; >it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they >bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in >front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight >schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. >That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or >small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Paul Kent Oakley >The Sabine Farm >Ava, Illinois, USA > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 3 08:17:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:08:14 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7o52ig$ga4$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7o4m53$k5e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933629328 16708 62.136.17.104 (2 Aug 1999 21:28:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:28:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20000 Oregano might be a good bet judging from the bees working it in our herb garden - it is certainly their favourite by a long way. Anyone any experience of large scale plantings of it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ busybee wrote in message <7o4m53$k5e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Dandelions, white and yellow sweet clover, white dutch, alfalfa, buckwheat, >alsike, trefoil, maple trees, poplars, American Linden, wildflowers, >goldenrod...how's that for starters :-) > >depends on where you are... > >Thanks for "giving up" your acreage for the sake of your bees! > >--Busybee > >Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message ><7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... >>I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you >>plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? >>thanks >>preacher >> >> > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 3 08:17:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:16:22 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7o52ii$ga4$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990731014409.14799.00000012@ng-cj1.aol.com> <37A4F28B.7DC0@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933629330 16708 62.136.17.104 (2 Aug 1999 21:28:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:28:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20001 Just a point that we have not mentioned before: the fact that a queen appears to have been accepted does not man that she has not been damaged. Workers will sometimes chew the feet of a queen in a cage and she may then be superseded later - if you mark your queens you will know, if you do not then you may think that you are still looking at the queen that you introduced. For this reason alone I prefer the queen to be released ASAP. workerbee wrote in message <37A4F28B.7DC0@earthlink.net>... >I had more luck shaking the bees about 10 feet from their location and >introducing a laying queen. I put her in a cage and two days later >pulled the cork. She was still there two weeks ago. > >Don > From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Aug 3 08:17:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:56:59 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.137.158 X-Trace: 933631251 1NNUCNF1G899EC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20002 Thank you all for your advice On opening the first hive for re-queening they came up in droves I persevered and since the flow was obviously over I made a nuc and introduced the new queen in a cage Surprisingly the bees calmed down after about 5 mins I had made nucs up for the other 2 hives also The temp has hit 90 degrees this week and I put a wet flannel over the crown board daily I was concerned that this was not SERIOUSLY leaving them alone for 6 days Even so much of the sealed brood died. Not enough flying bees perhaps But 2 new queens have been released from their cages and have just started laying I have fed these with a frame feeder and will leave till Sept to introduce as advised The third nuc had an ill fitting roof and was virtually deserted by the added bees who became dastardly robbers Consequently the new queen was not released BUT was still alive and kicking after 6 days She has been rehoused with added bees and taken to another site to start the process again Wish me luck Thanks again Chris 2W 51N >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Agree on the curlers. >> >>If flow still on the do it now. >> >>If not, then the bees will be very defensive and it is not a good time. I >>would make some very small nucs - just a frame would do, with some very >>young bees (take a frame, make sure the queen is not on it, shake it once >>gently to remove the older bees, then shake the remaining bees into your >>nuc); introduce the queen, feed if necessary but a frame of food would be >>better, and protect against robbing. >> >>Then use the nucs to introduce the queens in September; it is a good month >>for requeening as the excitement will have died down. > From kaylor@stsci.edu Tue Aug 3 08:17:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!204.121.3.5!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!noao!stsci.edu!not-for-mail From: John Kaylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for help with Smokey Mtn Bee Co. Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:05:47 -0400 Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore, MD 21218 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37A5EC0B.25FE16F@stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: johndeere.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20003 I am looking for anyone that might know or are friends with David Winters of Smokey Mtn Bees. I am looking for individuals that might belong to a club or bee association that might see him in the near future. If you could help me, please respond privately. Thanks in advance, John Kaylor kaylor@stsci.edu From mwhite@globalserve.net Tue Aug 3 08:17:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: mwhite Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 20:10:04 -0700 Organization: ICAN.Net Customer Lines: 48 Message-ID: <37A65D8C.603AAAFD@globalserve.net> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin194.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20004 Hi Dennis: This may be of help to you depending what horticultural zone you live in. These plants are hardy up to zone 6. *Plants that are high in nectar Perennials: *Alfalfa, *Anise Hyssop (Agastache foeniculum), *Blue Globe Thistle (Echinops ritro) , *Blueweed (Echium vugare) , * Chapmans Globe Thistle (Echinops Sphaerocephalus)*Clover(red,alsike,black), *Dandelion, Coneflower (Echinacea purpurea), *Goldenrod , *Mountain Mint (Pycnanthemum) , *New England Aster (Aster novae-angliae) *Sweet Clover (Melilotus officinialis), *Wingstem (Actinomeris) , Allium, Canada Thistle (Cirsium arvense), Crocus spp., Deadnettle (Lamium), Figwort (Scrophularia auriculata, Var.), Forget-me-not (Myosotis spp.), Gayfeather (Liatris), Geranium spp., Grape Hyacinth (Muscari), Hollyhock (Alcea), Knapweed (Centaurea), Lavender, Aubretia, Sedum, Snowdrops (Galanthus), St. John’s Wort (Hypericum), Strawberry, Thyme, Trillium Annuals: *Oregano, *Sunflower Helianthus annuus, Blue Bells Phacelia tanacetifolia, Borage, Lavatera, Rosemary Shrubs: *Lilac, *Raspberry, Alt-leaved Dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), Barberry (Berberis), Berry bushes, Elderberry (Sambucus canadensis), Firethorn (Pyracantha), Honeysuckle, Mock Orange, Oregon Grape Holly (Mahonia), Red Osier Dogwood (Cornus stolonifera), Roses, Russian Olive, Saskatoonberry, Siberian Pea Shrub, Viburnum Trees: *Basswood, *Fruit Trees, *Hawthorn, *Silver Maple, *Sugar Maple, *Willow, Birch, Black Locust, Catalpa, Horse-Chestnut, Magnolia, Mountain Ash, Serviceberry, Sumac Mike Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you > plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? > thanks > preacher From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Aug 3 08:17:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Battery Vacuum ?? Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:32:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7o5db7$gfq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nra14$oma$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37A23DD2.7D9CDD2D@azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.84 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 03 00:32:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.84 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20005 Thanks for the info, John. I'll be watching for the diagram on the Tucson site. I've always wanted to visit you folks there ever since I worked with S.E. McGregor in the summr of 1937. I haven't made it yet, but I probably will. Thanks again. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! -------------------------------------------------------------- John Edwards wrote: > > > Pete wrote: > > > Have any of you folks tried to develop a bee vacuum using a Dust Buster > > or similar battery powered vac? > > Yes, I redeveloped one model in about 1988, which of course everybody > dismissed as "been there, done that". I'll put an image of it on the > web(Tucson Bee Lab) when I get back to work - - waiting in line to talk to > the neurosurgeon about my disk problem right now. :( > The beevac has worked quite well for us over the 90's for sampling up to > 200 bees - the main problem is DustBuster model changes. After about a > dozen units, we are now up to the ones with removable batteries. I don't > know your intended use, but will post a snapshot ASAP. Basically, you tape > over the "snout", drill in from the top flat area, and friction-fit a piece > of PVC pipe about 6 inches long. Drill holes in a plastic vial, seal into > pipe with an O-ring, drill a hole in cap for nalgene tube, and attach a > two-foot piece of PVC pipe. As you can tell, many ways to change my design. > I can get a reliable 15 minutes running time. > John Edwards, Tucson (down, but not out) > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From nanadobbs@aol.com Tue Aug 3 08:17:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nanadobbs@aol.com (NANADOBBS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 02:51:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20006 Please, can someone help with advice? Today I removed a huge colony from an apartment building soffet. While removing them (using my home made bee-vacuum) I noticed several small beetles. I am almost positive they are the small hive beetle we fear. My problem is that I have a box full of bees and I am not sure what to do with them. If I put them in a deep super with drawn out frames and there are beetles in with them, will I have to destroy the whole thing. I guess what I am asking is what would some of you more experienced bee charmers do?? I live in Augusta Georgia and I have two healthy hives(I think,Hope) they were the last time I checked last week. Please help me if you can quickly as the bees are getting restless. Pleas reply to tdobbs@aug.edu. Thanks alot. Tim Dobbs From mdiver@voy.net Tue Aug 3 08:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers In Tennessee? From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.172.77 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933650481 209.42.172.77 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:21:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:21:21 EDT Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 03:21:21 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20007 In article , cpierce@usit.net says... > >I have had a honey bee invasion. In about May I observed bees liting on a >limb in the front yard. A few weeks ago I found that the bees have set up >houskeeping on my house. I hate to destroy these and would like to find >someone who would like to adopt them. > >Please let me know as I need to do somethng before thngs get out of hand for me. > >Thanks > >Charles What part of Tennessee are you? I'm in Chattanooga, if you're in the area e-mail me at mdiver@voy.net Ron From john01hsu@hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 08:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "John Hsu" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen breeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:34:03 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7o6d2l$b8s$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p362-tnt4.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20008 Hi, I am new as a beekeeping hobbist. I am thinking of breeding my own queens at same time when I am handling swarm control. The idea is to turn a two brood chamber hive into a four box hive. To start with, I would move the bottom brood chamber on the side, examine each frame carefully to make sure there is no queen but enough eggs and broods for a new hive. Then, I would stack the hive with a new brood chamber and a new super containing old combs or new foundations. Put queen excluders beneath and above the new super and top the hive with the brood chamber we put on the side in the beginning. It ends up with four box hives. Top one is used for breeding the new queen. The new second brood chamber is used to control the swarm by making more room to laying queen. I have not tried out this idea, and would be very happy to have some feedback from more experienced beekeepers. From nono@nono.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP From: nono@nono.com (John) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 36 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.69 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933690062 216.98.69.69 (Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:21:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:21:02 EDT Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:21:02 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20009 Tim, I you need the bees then I would do ahead and and put them in a hive. You might want to located the hive away from your other hives until you can determine what if any problems they might have. If you can bag a few of those beetles, maybe someone knowledgeable can ID them. If you don't want the bees then sell or give them away to whoever is willing to take a risk. John In article <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com>, nanadobbs@aol.com says... > >Please, can someone help with advice? Today I removed a huge colony >from an >apartment building soffet. While removing them (using my home made bee-vacuum) >I noticed several small beetles. I am almost positive they are the small hive >beetle we fear. My problem is that I have a box full of bees and I am not sure >what to do with them. If I put them in a deep super with drawn out frames and >there are beetles in with them, will I have to destroy the whole thing. I >guess what I am asking is what would some of you more experienced bee charmers >do?? I live in Augusta Georgia and I have two healthy hives(I think,Hope) they >were the last time I checked last week. >Please help me if you can quickly as the bees are getting restless. >Pleas reply to tdobbs@aug.edu. >Thanks alot. >Tim Dobbs From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:26:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <37A6FC11.2100@midwest.net> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20010 Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you > plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? > thanks > preacher I've been following the responses to your inquiry and taking notes. One thing I don't recall being mention in all the suggestions though was soil testing. It would be a good idea to have your soil tested to see what conditioning is required for your choice of vegetation. AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 17:05:50 GMT References: <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803130550.29215.00006230@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20012 >hink,Hope) they >were the last time I checked last week. >Please help me if you can quickly as the bees are getting restless. >Pleas reply to tdobbs@aug.edu. >Thanks alot. >Tim Dobbs > Tim i'm probably gonna get jumped on for this one but if they were mine i'd drown the entire box in a bucket. I can live with the threat of beetles,But i will not purposfully bring them home. I've only had this happen once, But they never made it to the truck and the wax bucket was taped shut till the water was boiling then poured in like a live lobster. Now the choice is yours of course, but in my opinion its too much to risk, you could of course feed them while you put a coumaphas strip inside the box for a few days. My opinion with good reason. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From klam@inforamp.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help wild bees -- Thanks Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:25:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.225.204 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933701153 137.186.225.204 (Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:25:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:25:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20013 Thanks to everybody who offered me advice on how to deal with my wild bees. I moved them, got them into a (to me nice dry spot, in a well flowered area). Went to have a look a couple of days later and they had cleaned out their larders etc and moved who know where. That'll teach me to leave them to it, they obviously know how to look after themselves. once again thanks -- John Allen KLaM Custom Software for Small Business mailto: admin@klamsystems.com From preacherc@cvalley.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what kind of flowers? Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:28:40 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7o7dn7$nnh$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-36.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933706279 24305 208.232.214.36 (3 Aug 1999 18:51:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 1999 18:51:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20014 I want to thank you guys for the info. I do believe, just for the sake of it. I may try to find a late or fall flowering type. We have plenty of early variety flowers. again thanks preacher From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Aug 5 11:25:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Battery Vacuum ?? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 19:09:56 GMT References: <7o5db7$gfq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803150956.23145.00000146@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20015 Battery? how about a hand crank based on an old forge blower or one of them old bomb shelter blowers from the duck and cover days.? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 11:10:58 GMT References: <37A65D8C.603AAAFD@globalserve.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803071058.28117.00002532@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20016 What you are going to plant sounds like a pretty big decision. Before choosing among the good suggestions here, you may want to think about what the greatest need will be for your bees in your area, or what you hope to accomplish by your modification of the environment. If spring forage is sparse in your area, or if you wish to facilitate a big spring build-up for your summer flows, you would want to choose plants that produce nectar and pollen in the spring, like dandelion or pussy willow. I f there is a midsummer dearth, sow what produces nectar and pollen during that period. If there is little autumn forage in your area, you might choose plants that produce best in the fall that are hardy to the zone you are in. Where I'm located in eastern Massachusetts, right now we are getting a lot of a weed called purple loosestrife -- a non-native plant that was inadvertently imported to this area, I'm told, some years ago on planes arriving from the UK at Logan airport in Boston. Environmentalists hate it (it displaces native plants in the swamps), but beekeepers love it. Envirolnmentalist beekeepers are torn. From nenders@my-deja.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: nenders@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How is Royal Jelly collected? Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:21:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.27.13.131 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 03 12:14:54 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95; isp1552) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.27.13.131 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20017 First of all, I now nothing about beekeeping. But I have always been curious as to how Royal Jelly is collected. I have been told that it is the stuff that the bees feed the queen. But how to we get it? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 5 11:25:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:28:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7o7mtr$len$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3.taxol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933715707 21975 62.136.88.3 (3 Aug 1999 21:28:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 1999 21:28:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20018 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com>... >>The temp has hit 90 degrees this week and I put a wet flannel over the crown >board daily >I was concerned that this was not SERIOUSLY leaving them alone for 6 days >Even so much of the sealed brood died. Not enough flying bees perhaps > >Wish me luck >Thanks again > >Chris 2W 51N >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- Good luck! It is worth remembering that if you make up a nuc and leave it in the same apiary then you need to add more bees as any that have already made orientation flights will return home. This can be quite tricky to judge until you are used to it. As you have discovered , the brood needs bees to keep it cool in hot weather just as much as it does to keep it warm in the cold - and it has certainly been hot, 33 C here on Sunday. Always a good idea to give nucs some shade and access to water in hot weather - those little boxes must take some cooling with the summer sun directly on them. From j.j.edwards@sk.sympatico.ca Thu Aug 5 11:25:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37A77E20.22D0007F@sk.sympatico.ca> From: Joe Edwards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB? References: <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:41:20 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.115.118 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 933724182 142.165.115.118 (Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:49:42 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:49:42 CST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20019 Hi In regards to your AFB, in my opinion i would shake all the bees in a box of foundation and leave it in there for a day or two to give them a chance to digest any contaminated honey in their gut. After that reintroduce them to a new box and frames then feed terrymiacyn. Burn the other equipment including the box you should be ok Alan Montgomery wrote: > I am suspicious about two nucleus colonies I made up about month and a > half ago. Iexpected the 2 frame nuc with new carniolan queen to be > boiling over with bees by now. Not the case. One queen is missing along > with a good majority of the bees. The other is still there in her place > with more bees than the first. In both cases the brood is emering > somewhat but a lot are dead in their cells coiled up. Some cells have > the darkened look and when tested with a matchstick reveal a snotty > liquid. I am ready to burn all comb in each ive and scorch the hives and > bottom boards and inner covers? Is it possible to feed terramycin to the > remaining queen and bees and save them? I would like to requeen a > diferent hive, is this not possible without risking infection after > feeding TM for a while? Please give me your best scenario on this. I > called the Minnesota bee inspector and he is out of town until Thursday. > I hate to make any rash decisions without the official word? But am > ready to do what is in the best interests of my other colonies. > > Alan. > > I could send a picture of the suspected comb? From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help in removing hive from barn Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:01:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7o7vst$bqe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7o2pu4$2tg@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 00:01:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20020 Hi, Norm -- I assume that you are not a beekeeper, so I suggest that you do nothing just now. It is late in the season to get the bees out and save the colony. If at all possible, leave them in the barn while you decide whether you want to learn enough to be a "newbee" and keep bees for yourself. If you are not interested in doing this, please contact a local beekeeper for help and advice. To try to answer all your questions would be impractical on a forum like this. It might be a good chance for you to become one of us NEXT SPRING. In the meantime you will need to learn a good many basics. Good luck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------------ npatt@snet.net wrote: > A couple of questions refering to removing honey bees from a barn > > 1. What is the going rate I could/should charge for the job? > > 2. What do I do with the brood and honey comb? > > 3. What other unusual equipment should I have on hand? > > 4. Any other advice? > > I have a swarm vacuum. > > Norm > npatt@snet.net > -- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help wild bees -- Thanks Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:07:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7o8083$c55$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 00:07:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20021 Don't be discouraged, John. Things like that happen to all of us. We can not always out-think the little critters' instincts. You probably know by now that it helps to put a queen excluder under the bottom box so the queen can't leave. Hang in there and Good Luck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------ "John" wrote: > Thanks to everybody who offered me advice on how to deal with my wild bees. > > I moved them, got them into a (to me nice dry spot, in a well flowered area). Went to have a look a couple of days later and they had cleaned out their larders etc and moved who know where. That'll teach me to leave them to it, they obviously know how to look after themselves. > So much to learn - So little time !> once again thanks > > -- > John Allen > KLaM > Custom Software for Small Business > mailto: admin@klamsystems.com > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Earn thousands from your home! Do not IGNORE this message! 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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:39:18 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7o897o$481$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4a.18 X-Server-Date: 4 Aug 1999 02:40:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20023 Same thing but milder happened to one of my two hives. Makes a guy want to quit keeping bees! From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:42:52 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7o89ee$4a1$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <7ngici$f16$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990726041951.15879.00002596@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4a.18 X-Server-Date: 4 Aug 1999 02:44:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20024 And fireballs come from me arse! From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maybe some success Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Aug 1999 02:57:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20025 Well today is the day! I now know that I am learning SOMETHING from this board and it isn't just off-colored jokes and sexism :-) In April I purchased four packages and installed them in four seperate hives. They are all in various stages of developement but one in particular I would like to share with ya'll because it is really yous guys who have saved this hive and built it up. It actually is two packages. Both of them had mites and by looking the drone brood is how I diagnosed this problem Thank You #1 I installed apistan strips and all was well, or so I thought. They both ended up swarming. Plenty of room, good temp., not because of mites or me looking in too often. I still have no idea of why they swarmed except genetics. Anyway, both packages were small and struggling. I decided to combine the two. Thank You #2, I used the newspaper method. One was queenless and the other had brood and a queen. I put the one with the queen on top of the queenless one with newspaper in between. OK figured I'd just let them do their thing for awhile. OH Sh--! was supposed to put the queen on the BOTTOM! (3 days later) Thank You #3. Go back out to the apiary (is it still an apiary with just one hive?) and reverse the brood boxes Thank You #4. Today I checked on them again just to see. I had let them alone for about three weeks. KEWL! Both boxes are full of honey and this hive is THRIVING. I threw two westerns on it. Oh ya. NO gloves, NO beesuit, and NO veil. I did smoke them down so I wouldn't have to scrape the squishes next time. Fireweed and blackberries are in bloom so we will see if I can steal a frame of honey this year. I know this is long but I just want to let eveyone know that talking until you are blue in the face is not for naught. Laura From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 02:56:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7o8a46$iqq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 02:56:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20026 Hi Dennis -- Bees seem to be "sot in their ways" and resent change. Imagine being bounced around for 200 miles and then flying out in strange territory. No wonder they are disturbed. I had the same experience recently and moved them only about 50 miles. It took them almost a month to settle down. It will be interesting to hear comments from migratory beekeepers who move their bees frequently. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! --------------------------------------------------------- "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > Just a question on a hive of bees. I just moved this hive, two hundred > miles. When I picked it up, we went through it frame by frame looking for the queen, and doing a general check without any protection. Now still after > two weeks, they are looking for anything that moves within 50 feet. How long will they act this way? Does anyone know. I went today and looked over a super of honey, smoked them gently and lost about 50 bees over various parts of me:) a dozen got through.Haha. > Wont have a problem with anyone stealing honey. But it has my curiosity up. > thanks > preacher > > -- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in trees Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 03:05:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7o8alj$j71$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 03:05:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20027 , "Damon Josz" wrote: > Met an older gentleman yesterday who tracked some honey bees. 6 am this > morning we met and head into the woods and by golly he sure did find the > bees, 20 ft up. we felled the tree and pulled a nice swarm with brood but > no honey. Learned first hand about tyin in comb and even spotted the queen > head in. Also learned the careful cuts and splitting of the log! decent > swarm but no honey! Off to tree number 2, this time by four wheeler and then > a little hike and sure nuff we managed another swarm and still no honey! He > claims they would not have made it through the winter, I guess, seems bees > know what to do in my book. Great experience and we were home at noon. He > managed to get stung a few times yet I was gloveless doing the frame tying, > man was that slick. So for a new keeper I have hived my own swarm, requeened > what she left > ( I think either that or the buck was balled and the virgin came through!) > Working mites out at another hive and now did the tree bees. Next I want to > do a little tracking myself, and then sometime I might like to collect a > little honey from all this adventure ;>) damon > -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Damon -- Good for you. Good experience. this late in the season will mean that you need to feed them sugar syrup like crazy to let them store up enough honey for winter. Next spring you need to trap a colony out of a wall to get some more valuable experience. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Don't Make My Mistake !! Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 03:23:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7o8bn6$jns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 03:23:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20028 Hi, All -- Queen with package was superceded a while back. I decided to clip/mark the new queen. Plenty of young brood so I did it. MISTAKE. This seems to be one of those things described in the books. New queen must have been protected from the old queen until she was a few days old. You guessed it. The young queen had not mated. My job of clip/mark was fine. She looks plump and beautiful (can queens be called buxom?) She is laying prolifically and good pattern --- all drone brood. They are packed together so tightly in the worker cells that many of them are trapped and can not get out. Patience, Patience, Patience. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dmcneil@clear.net.nz Thu Aug 5 11:25:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee stings Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:58:14 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.167.201.198 X-Trace: news.clear.net.nz 933745902 203.167.201.198 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:51:42 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:51:42 NZST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20029 I recently heard that bee stings can help with arthritis symptoms. Does anyone know why this works and if they have any other healing effects? From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:20:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7o95oo$t3o$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20030 "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: >Just a question on a hive of bees. I just moved this hive, two hundred >miles. When I picked it up, we went through it frame by frame looking for >the queen, and doing a general check without any protection. Now still after >two weeks, they are looking for anything that moves within 50 feet. How long >do you will they act this way? Does anyone know. I went today and looked >over a super of honey, smoked them gently and lost about 50 bees over >various parts of me:) a dozen got through.Haha. >Wont have a problem with anyone stealing honey. But it has my curiosity up >thanks >preacher I would guess that going through them was your biggest mistake. It loosens all the frames so that they move while you are moving them. You may have moved them to a nectar dirth as well. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:40:05 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-61.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933766611 43034 209.130.165.61 (4 Aug 1999 11:36:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 11:36:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20031 Hi all- When moving our bees--it gets to be quite an ordeal for them. IE. we remove them from their home yard to another "holding" yard where they all gather waiting for their transportation. Could be a 1-3 day wait. Temprament still ok - they have all been fed and if it is hot-- the hives are misted down. Truck arrives...they are loaded in evening hours and netted...and they are off! Drivers are usually trained to water the load and knows *hopefully* enough not to stop in well-lit areas for too long! 1200 miles later... timed to unload towards dusk. Where they again are set out in a "holding" yard. 1-3 day wait again before they are moved to their summer home. Temprament: still pretty good--I think they are happy to be able to get out and releive themselves. They get on the ornery side if you are setting them down in areas where their is little forage or in the little chance the queen was accidently killed in the move. Keep in mind they are still well-fed...that makes a BIG difference. Also - it helps that they are a gentle bee stock to begin with. --Busybee Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... >Just a question on a hive of bees. I just moved this hive, two hundred >miles. When I picked it up, we went through it frame by frame looking for >the queen, and doing a general check without any protection. Now still after >two weeks, they are looking for anything that moves within 50 feet. How long >do you will they act this way? Does anyone know. I went today and looked >over a super of honey, smoked them gently and lost about 50 bees over >various parts of me:) a dozen got through.Haha. >Wont have a problem with anyone stealing honey. But it has my curiosity up >thanks >preacher > > > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How is Royal Jelly collected? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 07:35:14 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: nenders@my-deja.com X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Aug 1999 11:39:28 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Aug 4 04:45:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust121.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37A82572.35A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20032 with a little bity spoon. nenders@my-deja.com wrote: > > First of all, I now nothing about beekeeping. > But I have always been curious as to how Royal > Jelly is collected. I have been told that it is > the stuff that the bees feed the queen. But how > to we get it? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Aug 5 11:25:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Don't Make My Mistake !! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Aug 1999 12:08:46 GMT References: <7o8bn6$jns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990804080846.10602.00004827@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20033 I seem to learn the most from my mistakes too. All the more reason to start beginners off with 2 hives. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:15:06 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-61.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933765113 49626 209.130.165.61 (4 Aug 1999 11:11:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 11:11:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20034 Supposedly relieves MS conditions, too! Requires MANY controlled stings in the back, arms and legs. --Busybee David wrote in message ... >I recently heard that bee stings can help with arthritis symptoms. Does >anyone know why this works and if they have any other healing effects? > > From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:13:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7o95cc$t3o$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20035 "David" wrote: >I recently heard that bee stings can help with arthritis symptoms. Does >anyone know why this works and if they have any other healing effects? Check out www.beesting.com Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From shuston@riverace.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:06:48 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 17 Message-ID: <37A848F8.9F16C5A7@riverace.com> References: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: jQDQSh6JUvDOzGHZ0AOgbcozeaPBRCjtvmnyc9vziSA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 14:06:51 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20036 Thanks for the note Laura - it's always good to hear of success! I also want to thank folks on the group for advice - I had the hive with the short, stubby wings and apparantly no Varroa. Weird... anyway, after listening for a while (and not overreacting as my beginner instincts were screaming ;-) I waited them out, and Kevin's advice ringing in my head (feed, feed, feed!) that hive is looking a lot stronger. Thanks! -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From flanders@probe.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: flanders@probe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what kind of flowers? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:00:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7o9h1m$d7t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7o7dn7$nnh$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.157.91 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 14:00:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.154.157.91 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDnemaha Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20037 In article <7o7dn7$nnh$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > I want to thank you guys for the info (snip)...I may try to find a late or fall flowering type... I, too, have been enjoying the replies to your request. Good info. If I could add anything, it would be change the singular "type" to the plural "types." Don't put all your eggs in one basket. I was convinced Agastache Foeniculum was just the thing for my bees and learned, after they had sprouted about 4 inches, that the local deer population thought I had planted the A.F. for them. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beqcan@caribsurf.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!col3.caribsurf.com!not-for-mail From: "newsbox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:40:33 -0300 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7o1ooo$6kv1@col3.caribsurf.com> References: <19990801002657.10822.00000486@ng-bd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.214.205.134 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20038 Plans for Solar Wax Melters, Extractors, Hives, Bee Vacs and much more are available at Barry Birkey's web site: www.birkey.com This is his home page - there you will find a link to his bee pages - click on "Who We Are". Good Luck Bob in Bequia JPA555 wrote in message <19990801002657.10822.00000486@ng-bd1.aol.com>... >Do they Have a Web site?? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How is Royal Jelly collected? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:44:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7oa8i4$18ni$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-40.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933799300 41714 209.130.165.40 (4 Aug 1999 20:41:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 20:41:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20039 >From The Hive and The Honeybee - "Royal jelly is usually produced in colonies maintained for that purpose. The queen is removed and a frame containing artificial queen cells, each with a 12-36 hour worker larva is inserted. Three days later the frame is removed, the larvae discarded, and the roayl jelly collected either with a wooden spoon or a soft suction tube. A good queen cup will yield about 200-300 mg of royal jelly. Once collected the royal jelly can be sotred in a tight container in the refrigerator for several months, frozen, or freeze dried until used." daa daa daa... "The largest producers of royal jelly are the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans." Wanna know about bee brood ;-) ? --Busybee nenders@my-deja.com wrote in message <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >First of all, I now nothing about beekeeping. >But I have always been curious as to how Royal >Jelly is collected. I have been told that it is >the stuff that the bees feed the queen. But how >to we get it? > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From nospam@btinternet.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: nospam@btinternet.com (Little Steve) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:40:40 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-6-24-156.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20040 I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? Cheers in advance Little Steve From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:52:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7oalc2$7uu$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20041 nospam@btinternet.com (Little Steve) wrote: >I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. >I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because >so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap >under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. >We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont >actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or >something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the >roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in >there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as >we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. >Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? >Cheers in advance >Little Steve Close the opening? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:15:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7oal2t$909$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.107 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 05 00:15:33 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.107 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20042 (Little Steve) wrote: > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > Cheers in advance > > Little Steve > ---------------------------------------- Hi, Little Steve -- Sounds like you have either Yellow Jackets (a type of wasp) or Bumble Bees. Honey bees are not likely to live under a floor. Knock down a couple of them with a fly swatter and take to a beekeper or County Agent, etc. for identification. If they are really a bother and are not honey bees, you may have to set off an insecticide fogger (the kind you fog rooms for roaches or fleas) in the area to let the fog go to the nest. Good Luck Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:02:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20043 "busybee" wrote: >Supposedly relieves MS conditions, too! Requires MANY controlled stings in >the back, arms and legs. >--Busybee I ship small boxes of bees for MS treatments. 15,000 boxes last year, this year is a little slower. I think everyone is trying a new drug at the moment. They will be back in a couple of months. I doubt they will ever find a cure for MS. There is far more profit in treating a disease than in curing it and they haven't cured anything since polio. I figure I hold the world record for the number of stings by my bees. Probably around 3,500,000 or more. There isn't much profit in Arthritus as after two or three boxes the patient is pretty much cured. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From klam@inforamp.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:32:39 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.228.127 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933816761 137.186.228.127 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:32:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:32:41 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20044 I'd leave them alone, if you don't bug them they wont bother you. They are much too useful to destroy, if you have a garden (particularly a vegetable garden). John Allen Little Steve wrote in message news:37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com... > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > Cheers in advance > > Little Steve From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:48 EDT 1999 Article: 20045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:57:55 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7oaqt2$1j58$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-33.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933818082 52392 209.130.165.33 (5 Aug 1999 01:54:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 1999 01:54:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20045 WOWZIE! (stings curing arthritis) Does that work on rhumatoid (sp) arthritis? I have a friend who is almost crippled with arthritis...takes gold shots...has had both hips and knees replaced and she is only 40! If you don't mind me asking...Are the first stings given in the Dr.'s office? How does that work? --Busybee honeybs wrote in message <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net>... >"busybee" wrote: > >>Supposedly relieves MS conditions, too! Requires MANY controlled stings in >>the back, arms and legs. > >>--Busybee > >I ship small boxes of bees for MS treatments. 15,000 boxes >last year, this year is a little slower. I think everyone >is trying a new drug at the moment. They will be back in a >couple of months. I doubt they will ever find a cure for >MS. There is far more profit in treating a disease than in >curing it and they haven't cured anything since polio. > >I figure I hold the world record for the number of stings by >my bees. Probably around 3,500,000 or more. > >There isn't much profit in Arthritus as after two or three >boxes the patient is pretty much cured. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From beeman@kingston.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:58:02 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37A8EFAA.1211D745@kingston.net> References: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20046 Hi Laura, Good for you!! Its a great learning experience. But what colour is off colour, is it beige? ;-) Kent From jrmars@tricon.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 58 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.95 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933818835 216.98.71.95 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:07:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:07:15 EDT Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 02:07:15 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20047 Sooner or later you'll put that viel on. John R. In article <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com>, lauramleek@aol.com says... > >Well today is the day! I now know that I am learning SOMETHING from this board >and it isn't just off-colored jokes and sexism :-) > In April I purchased four packages and installed them in four seperate >hives. They are all in various stages of developement but one in particular I >would like to share with ya'll because it is really yous guys who have saved >this hive and built it up. > It actually is two packages. Both of them had mites and by looking the >drone brood is how I diagnosed this problem Thank You #1 I installed apistan >strips and all was well, or so I thought. They both ended up swarming. Plenty >of room, good temp., not because of mites or me looking in too often. I still >have no idea of why they swarmed except genetics. Anyway, both packages were >small and struggling. I decided to combine the two. Thank You #2, I used the >newspaper method. One was queenless and the other had brood and a queen. I put >the one with the queen on top of the queenless one with newspaper in between. >OK figured I'd just let them do their thing for awhile. OH Sh--! was supposed >to put the queen on the BOTTOM! (3 days later) Thank You #3. Go back out to the >apiary (is it still an apiary with just one hive?) and reverse the brood boxes >Thank You #4. Today I checked on them again just to see. I had let them alone >for about three weeks. KEWL! Both boxes are full of honey and this hive is >THRIVING. I threw two westerns on it. Oh ya. NO gloves, NO beesuit, and NO >veil. I did smoke them down so I wouldn't have to scrape the squishes next >time. Fireweed and blackberries are in bloom so we will see if I can steal a >frame of honey this year. > >I know this is long but I just want to let eveyone know that talking until you >are blue in the face is not for naught. > >Laura > From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:50 EDT 1999 Article: 20048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Maybe some success Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:46:42 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 933814556 24.93.149.35 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:55:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:55:56 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20048 Way to go! Sounds like you're having fun . From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:51 EDT 1999 Article: 20049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Aug 1999 03:25:54 GMT References: <37A8EFAA.1211D745@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990804232554.07071.00006970@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20049 Actually this board turns a light blue time to time. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:51 EDT 1999 Article: 20050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Aug 1999 03:26:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990804232654.07071.00006971@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20050 Don't worry, veil is close by just in case. I check their temperment and adjust as needed. Laura From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:52 EDT 1999 Article: 20051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 03:31:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ob0j0$gu9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.94 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 05 03:31:44 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.94 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20051 Keep in mind they are still well-fed...that makesa BIG difference. > Also - it helps that they are a gentle bee stock to begin with. > > --Busybee --------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, BusyBee -- I have never been involved in migratory, but I find your explanation good, helpful, and interesting. Pete So much to learn -- so little time !! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ccooke@mts.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:53 EDT 1999 Article: 20052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.200.16.76!news-in.mts.net!news1.mts.net!not-for-mail From: "Cynthia" Subject: Question about plastics and glues Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bedef5$dd0e2c80$4a3bc8cd@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 03:51:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.200.59.74 X-Complaints-To: admin@mts.net X-Trace: news1.mts.net 933825114 205.200.59.74 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:51:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:51:54 CDT Organization: MTS Internet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20052 I received the following question on our email helpline. If anyone can send me the answer I would appreciate it or provide help finding the info. Cynthia "My father keeps bees and wants to make a straining device out of plastic. He has helped in my sign shop glueing and cutting plastic. He wants to use sign clear plastic 3/16" and glue it with Resin Bond (methyl hydrate). Is this ok or is the glue and or plastic not safe for food? Anyone know anything about this topic, or any glue that is safe or approved for this use? Thanks," ===================================================== Cynthia Cooke Food Manufacturing Forum International site for Food SME's http://www.mts.net/~ccooke/food/index.html Editors top 50 links for Small Businesses in Food and Beverage Industry[annotated] ====================================================== From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:37:53 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: <37A90711.5895@midwest.net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20053 Little Steve wrote: > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > Cheers in advance > > Little Steve In the interest of a controlled scientific approach to a solution, I suggest we start by eliminating possible items of interest to them. First, the homebrew - I'll email you my shipping address where you can send *all* the homebrew for safe keeping. Be sure to leave any sugar that is present - remember we are removing only one thing at a time, its part of the controlled experiment. Then in about..say 1 month, you report back on the status of the bees, or whatever they are. If they are still there, then remove the sugar and send it to me. Provided you run a proper homebrew operation, there should be enough sugar for priming & bottling. After another 2 weeks or so, if the bees are still there I'd vote for the fogger option - and of course, I'll return all containers, cleaned & sanitized. AL From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:27:32 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <37A920C4.33E2@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20054 Thought you all might enjoy this one. AL http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/20438.html The Y2K Buzz -- Literally Wired News Report 3:00 a.m. 28.Jun.99.PDT Survivalists packing up food to wait out possible Y2K food shortages are putting honey at the top of their supply lists, sending sales of the virtually nonperishable sweetener through the roof. "There are a lot of people out there who believe we're going back to the Stone Age," said beekeeper and honey-seller Randy Oliver, who runs Randy Oliver Apiaries. "They're buying their honey now because they think they're going to have to survive on these supplies for a long time." From texasdrone@cs.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.cs.com!audrey03.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.com (TexasDrone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 05 Aug 1999 10:29:58 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990805062958.21499.00003513@ngol04.news.cs.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20055 The reason people believe that bee stings will help with arthritus is that bee stings make the body produce cortisone in the inflamed area. Arthritus patients are giving cortisone shots to ease their pain. I know a Beekeeper in the business for 20 years and has arthritus everywhere....so No it is not a cure but a natural pain killer for arthritus. But as for me I'd just get the shot...works a whole lot better. From allend@internode.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: temperment of bees Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:18:01 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <000101bedf2b$cc157a60$02000003@allend> References: <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _iMZ437TTH6YF/3OR+NVZQw= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20056 > When moving our bees--it gets to be quite an ordeal for them. > They get on the ornery side if you are setting them down in areas where > their is little forage... I can't say that we see much, if any long term effect on temper from moving. As the quoted writer says here, other normal factors that affect temper will account for any problems. As we have noted here before, bees just tend to be a lot more vicious in some localities than others. So, if you happen to move to a place where all bees act nasty, that is the reason, not the move. One thing I do notice, though, is that on a move where the bees are unloaded in daytime after being netted, the bees are pretty vicious at first when the net comes off. The worst ones are up at the top of the load, having run up the net en route. We notice that if we do not net them, there is much better temper. I ascribe this to losing the nastiest bees somewhere along the way. This is not to say we lose many bees (we monitor this closely), but I think those with a real grudge just bail out along the way, day or night. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Aug 5 19:52:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:43:00 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20057 Should read 3 weeks from publication. From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Aug 5 19:52:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fire ends honey business Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:33:43 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20058 Keep these fine folks in your thoughts. They're good people and offered a truly fine product. Access to this story is limited to 2 weeks from date of publication, July 29, 1999. http://omaha.com/Omaha/OWH/StoryViewer/1,3153,194159,00.html From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Thu Aug 5 19:52:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey super in middle of hive Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:26:41 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 17 Message-ID: <37A9BB41.19825AE3@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20059 Greetings, I am a beginning beekeeper (my father was a beekeeper when I was young), getting back into the business. I purchased two nucs along w/ 4 brood boxes with mostly drawn out frames. Both hives are doing very well. A few weeks back, i put a honey super on each hive with 9 frames, completely undrawn. (I know, I got a late start...i'm not planning on harvesting any honey this year.). My question is this: Should I move the honey super into the middle of the hive to 'encourage' the bees to work it? Also, would anyone recommending putting a small hole in the front of any of the boxes? Right now,the only entry/exit is at the bottom. thanks, Mark Veltman From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Thu Aug 5 19:52:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: old hives. Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:29:55 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37A9BC03.AFAA0D3D@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20060 I have available several hives that have been sitting empty for years in a friends abandoned field. I believe the previous beekeepers bees died (whether mites, or winter, i don't know). Are there any suggested salvage procedures? thankyou, Mark Veltman From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 5 19:52:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:06:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-112.copper.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933876435 15136 62.136.14.112 (5 Aug 1999 18:07:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 1999 18:07:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20061 Little Steve wrote in message news:37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com... > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > Cheers in advance > > Little Steve they are almost certainly semi-social bees such as bumble bees. They will not be there much longer. They do no harm, they are lovely, useful creatures. Please don't try to get rid of them. If you are in UK the council will not kill them, they are protected. Mary From klam@inforamp.net Thu Aug 5 19:52:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:16:08 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.225.165 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933876969 137.186.225.165 (Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:16:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:16:09 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20062 As an ex-Briton, I a amazed that the British Gov't is smart enough to protect bees. For once they actually got it right. John A Mary Fisher wrote in message news:7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Little Steve wrote in message > news:37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com... > > > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > > > Cheers in advance > > > > Little Steve > > they are almost certainly semi-social bees such as bumble bees. They will > not be there much longer. They do no harm, they are lovely, useful > creatures. Please don't try to get rid of them. If you are in UK the council > will not kill them, they are protected. > > Mary > > From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Aug 5 19:52:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey super in middle of hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Aug 1999 19:33:33 GMT References: <37A9BB41.19825AE3@lambton.on.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990805153333.21715.00007160@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20063 I have drilled holes in the front of my boxes, thinking they would provide closer entry to the supers higher up, but the great majority of the foragers stubbornly continue to use only the bottom entrance. It's only on my largest colony (60,000+) that I notice a small but appreciable number of bees using these holes. I've read repeatedly, in this NG and elsewhere, that the holes in the supers do help with ventilation of the hive. The concern that some have though is that these holes can also provide entry to wax moths. These same beekeepers advocate screening the vent holes to prevent wax moth invasion. I've taken this advice to heart and screened the vent holes on hives that don't seem to use them. However, I read recently that wax moths don't actually need to go into a hive to lay eggs; they often lay them in cracks and crevices in hive furniture with the larvae crawling to the wax after hatching. My question is this -- do screens over vent holes provide any protection against wax moth eggs and larvae? John From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 19:52:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:19:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7obq2v$bqn$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> <7oaqt2$1j58$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20064 "busybee" wrote: >WOWZIE! (stings curing arthritis) >Does that work on rhumatoid (sp) arthritis? I have a friend who is almost >crippled with arthritis...takes gold shots...has had both hips and knees >replaced and she is only 40! Christ, Jim, I'm', a beekeeper not a doctor! Seriously I can't say. I have a bone spur in my shoulder and 3 bee stings a week apart took care of it. I cheated the doctor out of at least a couple of car payments. I have heard from many of my customers with MS that also have arthritus. They get the use of their hands back after a couple of weeks. Beesting therapy for MS isn't an instant cure. It takes a lot of stings over a long period of time. A lot of people take a few stings and claim it doesn't work. You have to do it for at least 6 months. The ones that really get me are the ones that can't feel the stings at first and then quit because they become too painful as the nerves repair themselves. >If you don't mind me asking...Are the first stings given in the Dr.'s >office? How does that work? Some are but most Dr.'s won't. Most people start out at an apitherapist. After a few sessions they, and a partner, do their own stinging. I can't say that I know anyone down south where you are. The American Apitherapy Society may be helpful. They are at www.beesting.com. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From n1vxs@juno.com Thu Aug 5 19:52:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37A9C8DE.E8EC1BA@juno.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:24:47 -0400 From: hdc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings References: <19990805062958.21499.00003513@ngol04.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.41.16 X-Trace: 5 Aug 1999 13:25:19 -0500, 204.178.41.16 Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!novia!uunet!chi.uu.net!alognews.analogic.com!204.178.41.16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20065 Please be careful of cortisone shots. Discuss them with your physician and understand that they can have some very nasty side effects, such as joint degeneration(AVN). TexasDrone wrote: > The reason people believe that bee stings will help with arthritus is that bee > stings make the body produce cortisone in the inflamed area. Arthritus patients > are giving cortisone shots to ease their pain. I know a Beekeeper in the > business for 20 years and has arthritus everywhere....so No it is not a cure > but a natural pain killer for arthritus. But as for me I'd just get the > shot...works a whole lot better. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 6 13:43:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed-old.nacamar.de.MISMATCH!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:48:41 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-126.rhodium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933889527 27690 62.136.22.126 (5 Aug 1999 21:45:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 1999 21:45:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20066 A sensible answer, Mary, except that I am not sure about the protection - can you give details of the relevant law? Do leave them - it is most unusual for anyone to be stung by bumble bees and they do a great deal of good. They will probably be gone by the end of September, but in the meantime are producing queens that will ensure that we have some next year. It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I destroy?". Mary Fisher wrote in message <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >Little Steve wrote in message >news:37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com... >> >> I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. >> >> I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because >> so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap >> under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. >> >> We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont >> actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or >> something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the >> roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in >> there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as >> we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. >> >> Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? >> >> Cheers in advance >> >> Little Steve > >they are almost certainly semi-social bees such as bumble bees. They will >not be there much longer. They do no harm, they are lovely, useful >creatures. Please don't try to get rid of them. If you are in UK the council >will not kill them, they are protected. > >Mary > > From jcrocket@alltel.net Fri Aug 6 13:43:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.central.agis.net!agis!news1.alltel.net!not-for-mail From: James Lindstrom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Patchouli Oil for Varroa? Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:57:44 -0400 Organization: ALLTEL Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37AA24F8.2E12C4AD@nospam.alltel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wapa3pp05.alltel.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.alltel.net 933897468 12555 166.102.114.70 (5 Aug 1999 23:57:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@client.alltel.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 1999 23:57:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20067 Hello all-- Bumped into another local beekeeper the other day. Were talking the usual: mites, mites, and mites, and a little bit about mites. This guy and the others in his local group are using Patchouli Oil as part of their regimen against varroa. Not in lieu of Apistan, but in addition to. Sounded interesting. Anyone else out there know about this? Jim Lindstrom Oak Forest, PA remove nospam to reply From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 6 13:43:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:17:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7oden5$o61$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p42.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20068 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >A sensible answer, Mary, except that I am not sure about the protection - >can you give details of the relevant law? >Do leave them - it is most unusual for anyone to be stung by bumble bees and >they do a great deal of good. They will probably be gone by the end of >September, but in the meantime are producing queens that will ensure that we >have some next year. >It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I >destroy?". I don't know much about british bumble bees but over here in the US we have some pretty mean ones. It depends on the spiecies. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From harper@ktc.com Fri Aug 6 13:43:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:14:19 -0500 From: Karen & Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lazy bees? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.199.47 Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news2.fibr.net!207.71.36.3!209.163.199.47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20069 This is my first season keeping bees. I had ordered a package and hived them. They promptly built comb in the brood boxes, but refuse to build any on any other supers added. Does anybody know how to encourage comb building? From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Aug 6 13:43:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 03:34:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7odl3g$dua$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.97 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 06 03:34:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.97 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20070 "busybee" wrote: > Hi all- > Keep in mind they are still well-fed...that makes a BIG difference. --------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, BB -- How do you keep them well fed? Division board or some type of super feeder on top? Pete So much to learn - So little time ! --------------------------------------------------------------- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From riverockt@aol.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lame Queen Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 1999 03:48:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990805234824.09825.00000013@ng-bh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20071 I have one hive I started form package bees this past spring. I checked it several days ago and there are very few larve or capped cells. The few that exist are spaced far apart. The colony is very weak. Does anyone have any suggestions for this late in the year. I'm in south east Virginia. Usually there is about another two months of good weather. From lauramleek@aol.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 1999 05:13:06 GMT References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990806011306.09211.00007709@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20072 Have you tried "priming" the comb with sugar water? If your boxes are of like sizes, you can swap a frame of foundation with a frame of comb from the brood box. Just make sure their isn't brood in the frame, just honey or nectar. FEED!! ( I'm assuming you will not be pulling excess honey from this hive) I'm new also, so that is all I know :-) Laura From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 06:05:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7odu02$jq2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.95 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 06 06:05:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.95 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20073 Karen & Kevin wrote: > This is my first season keeping bees. I had ordered a package and hived them. They promptly built comb in the brood boxes, but refuse to build any on any other supers added. Does anybody know how to encourage comb building? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi K&K -- Just remember that bees build comb only to meet a need. They will not build comb unless nectar is coming in. It can be nectar from the fields or sugar syrup you feed them. Sounds like you do not have a honey flow on now, so if you want them to build comb it will be necessary to feed them all they will take. The heat here in east Texas has them slowed down too. They are slowed down in taking syrup. They seem to know it is getting toward the end of the active season and are also slowing down on raising new bees. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From preacherc@cvalley.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question on queen introduction Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 05:40:15 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7oedsu$gv1$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-5.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933935838 17377 208.232.214.5 (6 Aug 1999 10:37:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 10:37:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20074 I have a queenless hive, and a young queen with young brood and bees. When combining the two, do you put the queen on the bottom or on top of the hive. I will be using the newspaper method of introduction. preacher From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 05:33:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7oedg8$os8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-24.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933935432 25480 209.130.165.24 (6 Aug 1999 10:30:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 10:30:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20075 Hello - What type of nectar do the bees in your area usually forage on? ( I.E. Gallberry, clover, basswood?) When does this nectar usually "flow"? Is that the type of honey you are after? The point I'm trying to make is...that I agree with the other responses that feeding sugar syrup is what you have to do to build comb. However, usually a beekeepers main objective is to make honey NOT to be feeding during a time when you would expect the bees to be on a flow. (For the record - I'm from MN, winter in the deep south, commercial just shy of 2000 colonies). I'm assuming VA has a long growing season and I do not have experience in keeping bees in those conditions. My experiences and conditions are that our bees only collect nectar from two major flow times. The first is a two week period in July. First round extracting is done to separate basswood/clover honey. The supers are put back out on the bees for a second fill with "fall" honey. I know that just prior to the July flow, that is the time you need to have honey supers and any undrawn foundation on the hive...any other time would be a waste of time and bee energy. Any feeding that we do comes after we've extracted surplus honey. Going into winter (MN)--if the bees are staying in this frigid weather (Nov - April) they will need AT LEAST 60-75 pounds of feed, wether it be corn syrup or honey. They will need to be checked again in January and if they are low on feed again at that time, and due to the difficulty to feed syrup in sub-zero temps they will be given plain sugar. They eat alot of honey to keep warm and winters here are extremely hard on them. Only in recent years have we changed our wintering habits. We migrate south >from Nov. to May now. We do our -heavy- feeding (60 pounds or so) in Nov. During that time in the "tropical" conditions of the deep south, there is a natural flow of nectar where they can forage...we do not harvest any of that honey because usually it is still not enough feed for them because there is a great chance we will be feeding them -heavily- in March. We hate to do it because of expense and we are hoping they will begin to find natural nectars to keep going. However this is a crucial time as we are building the colonies to be their strongest. We make up our nucs and requeen so if feeding the bees at this time is necessary - then we must. This feeding step can either make or break a hive. We cannot afford to have weak colonies. After the 1200 mile trip back to Southern MN in May (just in time for dandelion bloom). Sometimes the weather does not cooperate and dandelions do not yield as was the case this year (too cold and wet) we may end up feeding again. But this now ends the substitute feeding! The hive will either make it or it doesn't! We cannot risk corn syrup in the hives come the end of June. The strong hives are doing well - we've had a number of "fold-overs" but all in all we will end up with a decent crop. There are marked seasons for us...we need to figure those times out and make it work for us! IMO, there are no lazy bees. If you provide for them what they need they will provide for you what you need. That is the art of beekeeping. --Busybee Karen & Kevin wrote in message <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com>... >This is my first season keeping bees. I had ordered a package and hived >them. They promptly built comb in the brood boxes, but refuse to build >any on any other supers added. Does anybody know how to encourage comb >building? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 05:57:54 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7oeetb$1lei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7odl3g$dua$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-24.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933936875 54738 209.130.165.24 (6 Aug 1999 10:54:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 10:54:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20076 We use a frame feeder in the brood chamber. It stays in year round...although we "lose" a brood frame, it is easy to feed if they are starving and need feed fast! (Wintering doubles on migratory pallets/4 hives per pallet) First person goes ahead and sets the top hive (the frame feeder width) to expose only the feeder. -- -- -- -- in this fashion. The second person pumps (long hose, gas dispensing type nozzle and an Briggs and Stratton pump) syrup into each frame feeder. The yard is set up in either one of two ways: either one long row or two shorter rows that are set apart that our truck can drive between them. The first person then comes back to close the hive again. We have a system that makes it a quick and not-to- difficult task. The first "going into winter" feeding is kinda-sorta fun actually... any additional feedings after that is NOT fun. --Busybee Pete wrote in message <7odl3g$dua$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > > > "busybee" wrote: >> Hi all- >> Keep in mind they are still well-fed...that makes a BIG difference. >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi, BB -- How do you keep them well fed? Division board or some type of >super feeder on top? > > Pete >So much to learn - So little time ! >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beeman@kingston.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:26:37 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37AAE28D.18899787@kingston.net> References: <19990805234824.09825.00000013@ng-bh1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20077 Did you check to see if there was a queen? Do you have any honey flow on or coming? Is there any sign of disease? What is your interpretation of weak (i.e.. how many frames are covered by bees)? What type of brood is it (worker or drone)? Here in South Eastern Ontario most of my hives have eased off the heavy laying. Looking in the top box there is few signs of brood. The bees will use this space for winter food. There is only one good flow left before fall so there is no need off a massive hive like in May June. Kent From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 1999 09:23:45 GMT References: <19990805234824.09825.00000013@ng-bh1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990806052345.01146.00003639@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20078 >I checked it >several days ago and there are very few larve or capped cells. The few that >exist are spaced far apart. The colony is very weak. Does anyone have any >suggestions for this late in the year. I'm in south east Virginia. Usually >there is about another two months of good weather. how much honey / food stores ? did you see the queen ? drought situation where you are ? how many frames covered with bees ? how have they looked up till now ? gimmie these answers and maybe we can help . Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 1999 09:26:04 GMT References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990806052604.01146.00003640@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20079 >Does anybody know how to encourage comb >building? > FEED, FEED, FEED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From adamf@radix.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question on queen introduction Date: 6 Aug 1999 06:58:58 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7oe13i$2bv$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7oedsu$gv1$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20080 In article <7oedsu$gv1$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, Dennis Crutchfield wrote: >I have a queenless hive, and a young queen with young brood and bees. When >combining the two, do you put the queen on the bottom or on top of the hive. >I will be using the newspaper method of introduction. Good question! I'd put the queen and brood over the old bees. This way, the flying bees (the oldest and potentially most aggressive to the new queen) are not contacting the new bees. If you put the old hive on top, the flyers would have to chew through the paper first--this *might* allow them time to become accustomed to the new bees, but then again it might not. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:08:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7oedqp$pt7$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990805234824.09825.00000013@ng-bh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20081 riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) wrote: >I have one hive I started form package bees this past spring. I checked it >several days ago and there are very few larve or capped cells. The few that >exist are spaced far apart. The colony is very weak. Does anyone have any >suggestions for this late in the year. I'm in south east Virginia. Usually >there is about another two months of good weather. Could be foulbrood. Call your bee inspector or send a sample to the USDA bee lab in Beltsville, Md. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in trees Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:35:40 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7oevcc$1uc2$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7o8alj$j71$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 933953740 000 192.168.254.73 (6 Aug 1999 15:35:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:35:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20082 Hi Damon -- >Good for you. Good experience. this late in the season will mean that >you need to feed them sugar syrup like crazy to let them store up enough >honey for winter. > >Next spring you need to trap a colony out of a wall to get some more >valuable experience. > > Pete +++++++++++ pete, how many lbs of sugar would you need to feed a colony enough to help it survive? 20? 25? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: y2k effect on beekeeping Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:49:09 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7of05l$4igg$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> <37a24234.41a3ac41@azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 933954549 000 192.168.254.73 (6 Aug 1999 15:49:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:49:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20083 in the book Preparing for the basics of something like that, the author gives a big emphasis on aquiring bee products. i only have one hive and it seems healthy, so i am trying to buy enough equipment and medication to last me thru the year 2000, ie an extra equipment for another colony and the spring/fall medication. folks dont seem to understand the high chances for recession/depression we have in the coming months, y2k or not. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:59:13 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7of0oh$3lf6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 933955153 000 192.168.254.73 (6 Aug 1999 15:59:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:59:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20084 i am looking at the subject title, and the posts so far dont match. seeing all the problems, its sounds neither easy or foolproof. glad i had help doing mine. i appreciate seeing all the different situations occurring. From klam@inforamp.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: thinking of starting Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:43:20 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.224.78 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933957801 137.186.224.78 (Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:43:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:43:21 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20085 Hi everyone, I live in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. What area of land does one need to set up as a bee keeper? Can it be done in a town? Should it? What sort of cost are involved? -- John Allen KLaM Custom Software for Small Business mailto: admin@klamsystems.com From adamf@radix.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: 6 Aug 1999 12:52:39 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7oelqn$3fi$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> <7of0oh$3lf6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p26.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20086 In article <7of0oh$3lf6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, Shelley Corbin wrote: >i appreciate seeing all the different situations occurring. > That's a beekeeping reality! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From mbelluso@megsinet.com Sun Aug 8 04:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!netnews.com!news.corecomm.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Catch The Buzz Article Lines: 71 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:03:29 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.214.205.69 X-Trace: news.corecomm.net 933959632 216.214.205.69 (Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:13:52 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:13:52 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20087 I thought this article might be of some interest to the ng. Bernard's Apiaries, Inc. 318-228-7535 1025 Bernard Street Henderson, LA 70517 Bee Culture, The Magazine Of American Beekeeping, is sponsoring this message. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The Buzz Is Back, and the News is GOOD! After a week and a half away at the annual EAS meeting and getting ready for the local county fair (150,000 visitors), the Buzz is Back. The following message should be good news for all concerned. Breeder Readies Russian Honey Bees for American Hives Agricultural Research Service, USDA Hardy Russian honey bees that resist attack by devastating varroa mites will begin showing up in American beehives within a year, thanks to scientists in Louisiana with the Agricultural Research Service, USDA's chief research wing. The Russian bees' genetic resistance will provide beekeepers with a tool--in addition to chemical pesticides--to control the mites. Varroa mites--eight-legged parasites--are among the worst enemies of honey bees worldwide. In the U.S., the mites have attacked bees in almost every state. Though only about one- sixteenth-inch in size, they can destroy a hive of tens of thousands of bees in as little as 6 months. The mites have also eliminated most of North America's wild honey bees. Under a Cooperative Research and Development Agreement signed this week by ARS and Bernard's Apiaries, Inc., Breaux Bridge, La., bee breeder Steven J. Bernard is authorized to raise hundreds of Russian honey bee queens this fall and winter. The bees will be available for sale to U.S. beekeepers early next year. The beekeepers will use the queens to produce more queens for populating hives with mite-resistant offspring. These offspring will be fathered by male bees, known as drones, from the American hives. Compared to domestic honey bees, the Russian bees are more than twice as resistant to attack by varroa mites, according to tests by geneticist Thomas E. Rinderer and colleagues at ARS' Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Research Unit in Baton Rouge, La. The domestic honey bee and the Russian honey bee are the same species, Apis mellifera. But the Russian bees have had to develop resistance to survive in their homeland, the mite-infested Primorsky region of far eastern Russia. Rinderer studied the bees there, then imported them under a federal permit. He said it is likely that wild--as well as domesticated--honey bees in the U.S. will eventually have Russian honey bee parentage. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kim Flottum Editor, Bee Culture Magazine http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm For an archive Catch the Buzz postings, visit: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/buzz/index.html To unsubscribe to this emailing, simply goto: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/buzz/unsubscribe.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * mbelluso@megsinet.com From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: temperment of bees Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:10:32 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <000201bee02e$97166fa0$02000003@allend> References: <7oeetb$1lei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <7oeetb$1lei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _/hTaF8af+B+9Fw7cia0xyw= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20088 > We use a frame feeder in the brood chamber. It stays > in year round...although we "lose" a brood frame, it > is easy to feed if they are starving and need feed fast! > ... in this fashion. The second person pumps (long > hose, gas dispensing type nozzle and an Briggs and > Stratton pump) syrup into each frame feeder. Us too, with some minor differences. Pictures are at my website below. Choose "Feeding Bees" from the index. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beeman@kingston.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question on queen introduction Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:36:11 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37AB1D0B.30779634@kingston.net> References: <7oedsu$gv1$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20089 I put the queen on the bottom. Kent From ksreed@earthlink.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Kevin Reed Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology.misc,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lerp psyllids and honeybees Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:23:09 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 6 Aug 1999 17:26:21 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Aug 6 10:35:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ksreed@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pool141-cvx.ds46-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Message-ID: <37AB19FD.F684784D@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology.misc:9453 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20090 Like many folks in Southern California, I am suffering an infestation of Australian red gum lerp psyllids in my eucalyptus trees. I'm tossing lady bugs at the problem and hoping for the best. I'm wondering whether anyone has thoughts on the interaction between these psyllids and honeybees. I have three hives I keep as a hobbyist. In recent mornings, I have noticed yellow jackets and (I believe) honeybees working the infected eucalyptus. I suspect they are working the sticky honeydew the psyllids sucrete. Has anyone else observed this phenomenon? Is there any cause for concern regarding the quality (and safety) of my honey, assuming my bees are feeding on this honeydew? Any Australian entomologist/ apiarists ever deal with this issue? I know that these psyllids have been here only about a year. From Dr.Lecter@btinternet.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Dr.Lecter@btinternet.com (Little Steve) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:50:19 GMT Organization: BT Internet Message-ID: <37aa18b9.49668650@news.btinternet.com> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.27.80 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20091 >I'd leave them alone, if you don't bug them they wont bother you. They are >much too useful to destroy, if you have a garden (particularly a vegetable >garden). We dont have vegetables but do have a lot of flowers and plants but they completely ignore them. Whatever it is they are after it is under the shed. We would leave them alone (indeed have had to since we dont know what to do) but there are quiet a lot of them, its a small garden and they tend to get a little bit annoying, and unnerving, when they are flying all around you while you try to do a BBQ. We tried sealing the opening but then they just flew into the shed. So we locked the doors and then they just hung around outside. Council bloke says there is no nest but cant suggest any reason they would want to be near here. I did not know they were not allowed to kill them. probably explains why so few (none in fact) died after the last visit Think he must just have used one of them fog bombs but they came back once it cleared! Maybe just stick it out for the summer and hope for a long winter! Cheers everyone Little Steve From Dr.Lecter@btinternet.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Dr.Lecter@btinternet.com (Little Steve) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:57:01 GMT Organization: BT Internet Message-ID: <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.27.80 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20092 >It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I >destroy?". I dont want to destroy them. just have them go find some other place to play. You have to admit that having loads off bees flying around you while you are trying to replax in the garden is not the most relaxing way to do it? They do in fact not sting as you have said but they are just a bit annoying. I just wabted some non violent deterant that would encourage them to go some place else. From dublgully@fuse.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP - question on bee feed Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:47:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37AB742D.9BE08455@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20093 Hi all. Had a few beekeepers call today and I have no idea of the answer. Hoping one of you can help. There was an accident on the interstate today. A molasses truck with a great mess. Two beekeepers have their farms and bees right next to the interstate. The bees are going after the molasses. Another beekeeper, an attorney, was at the scene :o) . He got about six 5 gallon cans of molasses. Wants to know if it is OK to feed it to the bees. He said it was feed grade molasses. Said he tasted it and had to spit for 5 minutes. Said it was nasty tasting but real sweet. Any help? Thanks Judy From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 00:31:01 GMT References: <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990806203101.27036.00008061@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20094 You could move your shed into the neighbors yard until winter :-) Laura From southbee@my-deja.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen mating Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 01:49:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7og3al$61q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.200.142 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 07 01:49:12 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.200.142 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20095 Checking for extra honey yesterday, I found several queen cells in one of my colonies, though have a good queen laying. Can I take the frames with the queen cells out, put them in a nuc, have drone bees in there with her, along with some frames of capped brood and honey and get a mated queen, or will they always fly outside to mate and swarm out? I'd like to avoid them swarming off somewhere where I can't reach them in the 50'tall trees in the neighbor's yards,which is typical out here. Thanks. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ad387@hwcn.org Sun Aug 8 04:51:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!utnut!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: thinking of starting Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:05:44 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7og4ae$q64$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.233 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20096 Hi: To get started in a most fascinating hobby you may wish to visit, the following: http://www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee/ Ontario Beekeepers' Association(OBA) Homepage, http://www.gov.on.ca/OMAFRA/english/crops/hort/apicultu.html Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs(OMAFRA) Homepage for Apiculture has a FAQ section that may answer many of your questions. As you live in Mississauga, you may wish to contact Lorna Robinson (416-247-2548)of the Toronto District Beekeepers' Association. This is a fine group of beekeepers, and always willing to help. Lorna will be able to give you details as to their next meeting, etc.. I would suggest you contact your local library to see what information they have in the way of books, etc. One text is The Hive and the Honey Bee(1992 edit.) published by Dadant & Son. It is considered , by some, the beekeepers' bible. But does come with a hefty price, approx.. $40 US. The other is the Ontario Beekeeping Manual, available from the OBA 20$CDN. In Ontario honey bees may be kept in your backyard, subject to the Ontario Bees Act (Sec. 19) i.e. distance from property line, 30 metre in an urban municipality or suburban district, any city by-laws etc. Keith Grimsby, Ontario From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 03:24:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7og8sn$9e2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7og3al$61q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 07 03:24:12 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20097 southbee@my-deja.com wrote: will they always fly outside to mate and swarm out? > Thanks. > > southbee ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Southbee -- Yes the queen always goes out of the hive to mate - high in the air. Only the strongest males can get to her. The couch potatoes tire out. Seldom does a swarm go with her. She normally goes alone. Once in a while a small group of bees go with her, but if she returns to the hive, so do they. You can make queen mating nucs with the Q cells unless it is getting a little late in the season where you are. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ----------------------------------------------------------- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP - question on bee feed Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 03:30:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7og99j$9p4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37AB742D.9BE08455@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 07 03:30:59 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20098 dublgully@fuse.net wrote: Wants to know if it is OK to feed it to the bees. He said it was feed grade molasses. Said he tasted it and had to spit for 5 > minutes. Said it was nasty tasting but real sweet. > > Any help? > > Thanks > > Judy --------------------------------------------------------- Judy, the information I have gathered indicates that the impurities in the unrefined syrup makes it "not good for bees". I would not use it intentionally, but in this case what can be done about the molasses the nearby bees have taken back and stored? Anybody have an idea as to how it can be counteracted, or will the dilution factor take care of it? Pete So much to learn - So little time ! -------------------------------------- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Aug 8 04:51:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor for beginner Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 11:10:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990807071058.23151.00001769@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20099 Check out the compact deluxe at Brushy Mth 6000 lbs went through mine before I needed a new bearing(and they had one) This works out to about 4 cents a pound. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From southbee@my-deja.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey super in middle of hive Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:16:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7oh82a$t5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37A9BB41.19825AE3@lambton.on.ca> <19990805153333.21715.00007160@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 07 12:16:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.17 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20100 In article <19990805153333.21715.00007160@ng-fv1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > I have drilled holes in the front of my boxes, thinking they would provide John, I had awful wax moth problems when I first started beekeeping 3 years ago. I didn't have holes in my supers, either. This year I bought duragilt foundation to see if it helped the bees keep the wax moth out of my hives here in the hot south of FL and it has! It has been well worth the extra cost. I've seen a few hive beetles, which I quickly eliminate, but even they aren't reproducing or causing a problem! I put Imrie shim's between my supers for ventilation with no screen. They are like a 1" picture frame with a 1-1/4" hole in the front. Brushy Mtn. Bee Farm sells them or one could make them. regards, southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 07:03:19 GMT References: <7og3al$61q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990807030319.29220.00008586@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20101 I was reading in a book recently (gad, I'm the book quoter in this NG) that bees are most likely to supercede in the late summer or fall. If this is true (and I'd like to hear some confirming or contradicting wisdom >from more experienced beekeepers), and you're bees are preparing to supercede, then the bees may know something about that queen you don't. You may prevent them from superceding this fall only to ensure the colony swarms out next spring. One way to tell the difference between swarm and supercedure -- are the cells in the middle of the frames or along the bottom? Are there more or less than six? If there's less than six cells and they're in the middle of the frame, then I think that would confirm your bees are superceding. John From news@gotplenty.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "E. Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for an extractor Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:15:39 -0700 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-ELN-Date: 7 Aug 1999 06:12:28 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Aug 6 23:15:05 1999 Organization: GotPlenty X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust193.tnt3.olympia.wa.da.uu.net Message-ID: <7ogioc$21o$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20102 Am looking to buy a used (or inexpensive new) small extractor. This is our first year with the hive so a 2 frame would be fine. We are in Washington state... Does anyone have information about where I could find one? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Repeat : Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 06:14:46 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 53 Message-ID: <37abcbfc.7654221@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7krnl5$aab$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379517b6.477048@news2.i-link-2.net> <37952D7C.A9BCDA4A@valley.net> <3797A958.B6D5ED59@worldnet.att.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20103 Hi, This might not be so hard . Just glue a straw, or straws to the screen, then glue the tubes of screen, and trim, and pierce where needed . My concern would be with how the bees would clean dead invaders out of the tubes, in an efficient manner . Ken . On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:36:09 GMT, "Gregory D. Mellott" wrote: > >Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <3797A958.B6D5ED59@worldnet.att.net>... >>Having found two queens in one hive a couple of weeks ago, I moved one >>of them, along with about four frames into a separate box and filled out >>the rest of the box with foundation. Yesterday, I found a completed wasp >>nest made of grey mud on one of the empty frames. Upon cutting open the >>nest, I found what appeared to be a single pupa. In another hive, >>between the inner and outer covers, I found wasps building two more >>nests. This colony, too, has a small population. >> >>Bill Greenrose wrote: > > > I have often wondered if using window screen with a few small holes >would help a week colony defend itself better. Perhaps one may even >modify that so the holes were extended into tubes of window screen so >a guard bee might inflict a sting upon a wasp without getting bitten itself. > >Sincerely, > >Gregory D. Mellott > > From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: temperment of bees Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 05:44:13 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <000601bee0ca$2bc37d00$02000003@allend> References: <000201bee02e$97166fa0$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000201bee02e$97166fa0$02000003@allend> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6yI+CVBwoYNh5R0E8zRcNY2?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20104 Ooops, my sig line somehow did not get included. The site is http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > > We use a frame feeder in the brood chamber. It stays > > in year round...although we "lose" a brood frame, it > > is easy to feed if they are starving and need feed fast! > > ... in this fashion. The second person pumps (long > > hose, gas dispensing type nozzle and an Briggs and > > Stratton pump) syrup into each frame feeder. > > Us too, with some minor differences. > > Pictures are at my website below. Choose "Feeding Bees" from the index. > > allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From noserider@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: noserider@aol.com (Noserider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 13:28:11 GMT References: <37AAE28D.18899787@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990807092811.10818.00002842@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20105 We've had better rain than past years.Temps been on the hot side. The honey stores on the edges of the frames look normal. Very little flight activity. Compared to my other hives, very little comb is drawn out. The hive was installed at the begining of the honey flow about 5 months ago. The larve that exist look normal. The capped cells, the few that are look normal. They appear to be worker larve. The Queen is alive and moving. The workers are massed between two frames. Compared to my other hives given the same time there is not a lot of production. Maybe I should take the corporate strategy and hand out pink slips. Thanks guys Keith Riverockt@aol.com From ernie@nospamwhro.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> <7oedg8$os8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <01bee0ba$f5e643c0$10a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 19 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 09:56:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.16 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 934019818 198.76.162.16 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 05:56:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 05:56:58 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20106 Hello Karen & Kevin, I've been keeping bees quite a while now in southeast VA, and have found it's a waste of time to try to get comb built after 15 June here. If the bees look good, just let them arrange the brood box for the winter. I just extract once a year in June. Not to discourage you but the last time I checked average yield from USDA, Virginia finished dead last. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > Karen & Kevin wrote in message <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com>... > >This is my first season keeping bees. I had ordered a package and hived > >them. They promptly built comb in the brood boxes, but refuse to build > >any on any other supers added. Does anybody know how to encourage comb > >building? From bud1941@webtv.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey super in middle of hive Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <27265-37AC449D-5@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7oh82a$t5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAvryf/AADuRKHa02A9etJpkPdQ7MCFQCfwccHeUoPwxKyrlvM58dWsHs5vA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20107 SOUTHBEE I do not understand how duragilt helps with wax moths. I life in Fla also and have a problem with wax moths. I used duragilt years ago but I have stop using it because of the wax moths. When you do get some damage from the moths the bees will not repair the damage so I am now useing plastic. BUD From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor for beginner Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 15:20:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ohkgo$pnt$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990807071058.23151.00001769@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20108 beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: >Check out the compact deluxe at Brushy Mth >6000 lbs went through mine before I needed a new bearing(and they had one) >This works out to about 4 cents a pound. >Tom How many cranks was it? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey super in middle of hive Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:10:53 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37A9BB41.19825AE3@lambton.on.ca> <19990805153333.21715.00007160@ng-fv1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 Aug 1999 17:06:57 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Aug 7 10:15:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 30 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-003txdallp311.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37ad670e.18660268@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20109 jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >I have drilled holes in the front of my boxes, thinking they would provide >closer entry to the supers higher up,..... >...do screens over vent holes provide any protection >against wax moth eggs and larvae? The bees will propolize any screened hole that they can't fit through, so screening is likely to be wasted effort. Strong colonies almost always can manage wax moth without any help. Despite all the concern for "improved" hive ventilation, I haven't seen any objective research showing that it actually helps the bees (please speak up if you know of any). Bees depend a lot on pheromones and smells, and it is possible that inappropriate ventilation could even interfere and stress the colony. In the wild, hive entrances are typically small, about one inch (2-3 cm) in diameter. This allows the bees to control ventilation and to guard against predators. The hive is usually also well insulated, in a shady, wind-protected location. The brood nest is near the entrance. There is a lot of variation, but the above seems to be their preference and is worth considering before creating potentially drafty hive conditions. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From jspring@banet.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AC7205.6B031CB@banet.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 13:51:01 -0400 From: jspring@banet.net Reply-To: jspring@banet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extension Officer Needs Work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.111.227 X-Trace: 7 Aug 1999 17:45:38 GMT, 32.100.111.227 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 21 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.us.ibm.net!32.100.111.227 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20110 I am a US citizen who have married an extension officer who is living in St. Vincent but will be moving to the US in a couple of months once his immigration status is adjusted. Trevor Gilbert, my husband, is currently employed by the Ministry of Agriculture in St. Vincent and is responsible for the entire planning, development and implementation of beekeeping. His responsibilities include bee breathing / queen rearing station to supply colonied for keepers and beginners and the coordination of harvesting, processing and marketing of honey and byproducts. He has had extensive training in general agriculture and beekeeping in the Caribbean, Tanzania, Israel and Taiwan and over 10 years of experience. If anyone is interested in employing him or can suggest suitable agencies, government or otherwise, where he might ally for work in the US, we will be grateful for your advice. You can e-mail me at jspring@banet.net for further information. sincerely, Jasmine Springer-Gilbert From jspring@banet.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AC7BAD.EDC8D183@banet.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 14:32:13 -0400 From: jspring@banet.net Reply-To: jspring@banet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Extension Officer Needs Work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.111.227 X-Trace: 7 Aug 1999 18:26:50 GMT, 32.100.111.227 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 21 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.us.ibm.net!32.100.111.227 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20111 My husband, Trevor Gilbert, (soon to be legal US resident) is currently employed (over 10 years) with the Ministry of Agriculture in St.Vincent and the Grenadines, WI, as the beekeeping extension officer, where his fulltime responsibility is beekeeping development for the entire country. Credentials: General Agriculture diploma (1992) / beekeeping training and work experience in Caribbean / hive design for African beekeeping and the management of Africanized bees in Tanzania (1996) / beekeeping for honey, byproducts and pollination in Israel (1998) / Horticulture, vegetable and fruit tree crop production in Taiwan, ROC (1994) He has had training in the safe and effective use of pesticide use (program funded by FAO) referring to the implementation of the international code of conduct on destribution and use of pesticides (1992& 1994) If anyone is interested in considering him for employment or if anyone knows of any agencies, government or otherwise or businesses where he may or can apply I will be grateful for your advice. You can e-mail me at jspring@ banet.net. Sincerely, Jasmine Springer-Gilbert From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 19:52:51 GMT References: <19990807092811.10818.00002842@ng-bd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990807155251.01144.00003915@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20112 >Maybe I should take the corporate strategy and hand out >pink slips. > >Thanks guys >Keith >Riverockt@aol.com > requeen Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From josbee@telia.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsb.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "FORSGREN MADELEINE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7nupcb$tr2$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990731084129.10603.00003687@ng-fq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Combining two hives Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:15:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.20.228.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsb.telia.net 934056930 62.20.228.236 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:15:30 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:15:30 CEST Organization: Telia Internet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20113 To combine two colonies you have to follow the following procedure: a. Keep the strongest colony (and queen you want to keep) at the same place. b. Kill the queen of the weakest colony (if she is there!) and take it to the colony with the queen you want to keep. c. Put a newspaper on top of the broodchamber of the colony you want to keep and perforate the newspaper with a needle (a few holes will do the trick). d. Place the broodchambers of the colony without queen on top and put on top of the frames a piece of cardboard soaked in methylalcohol (if possible with a sence! or other material which will soak methyl alcohol). Put down a piece of cardboard soaked in methylalcohol + smell in the down broodchamber of the colony with queen. The methyl alcohol + smell will alluminate the pheromone of a queen to her colony. It prevents both colonies from fighting eachother! Check your colony the following day. Look at the entrance and see if any dead bees are carried out. This method has worked 100% for me and it never failes! You can remove the left over of the newspaper in two days. Greetings and good luck, -- Jos Schoenmakers "Malaren Honung" Stenbro Gard 63514 Eskilstuna telefax: (0046) (0)16359190 Sweden BeeCrofter wrote in message news:19990731084129.10603.00003687@ng-fq1.aol.com... > Find and remove/kill the weaker queen. > Place a sheet of newspaper over the stronger hive with a few hive tool slits in > it. > Put the weaker hive bodies on the newspaper. > It helps if the weaker hive has some kind of entrance I usually prop up one > corner with a stick or wood chip. > Anything you do with bees goes smoother with a flow or with feeding. > In a couple days remove the newspaper remnants before they become ggoped up > with propolis. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 8 04:51:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:38:34 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oden5$o61$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.hydroxybutyrate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934060328 15424 62.136.69.19 (7 Aug 1999 21:12:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 1999 21:12:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20114 >>It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I >>destroy?". > >I don't know much about british bumble bees but over here in >the US we have some pretty mean ones. It depends on the >spiecies. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- Is that a reason to destroy them? > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 8 04:51:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:24:07 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-32.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934061443 16485 62.136.91.160 (7 Aug 1999 21:30:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 1999 21:30:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20115 >You have to admit that having loads off bees flying around you while >you are trying to replax in the garden is not the most relaxing way to >do it? > >They do in fact not sting as you have said but they are just a bit >annoying. > >----------------------------------------------------------------- You could relax by watching them - beats a fish tank anyday! From john@klamsystems.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oden5$o61$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Lines: 10 Organization: KLaM X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:49:42 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.225.231 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 934066183 137.186.225.231 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:49:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:49:43 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20116 Give them something to attract them away from you, Something nice and sweet, scented etc, How about some flowers away from you and close to them. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... > From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What does mead taste like? Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 23:17:46 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20117 Could any body describe to me what mead tastes like? Is it sweet tasting? Does the local liquor store carry it? Are they likely to say what the heck is that? What should the answer be? Is there any claimed health benefits from it like other products of the hive? thanks Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: picking up a bee Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 23:17:47 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20118 How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a sure fire way. I notice if you pick it up by the head it tries to curl up it's butt and sting. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 23:17:48 GMT References: <7nvaqd$o1f$1@golux.radix.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990807191748.21500.00004433@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20119 I notice the setting was excellent a southern atmosphere of humble surroundings. His residence was neat and orderly and efficient . Like the business of beekeeping. It appeared that his honey house was on the same grounds as the house. I definitely think that the writer made beekeeping as a major influence on the character's modus operandi. I'm sure Peter really enjoyed doing this movie. Al From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does mead taste like? Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:41:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7oihsi$t80$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20120 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >Could any body describe to me what mead tastes like? Is it sweet tasting? Does >the local liquor store carry it? Are they likely to say what the heck is that? >What should the answer be? Is there any claimed health benefits from it like >other products of the hive? >thanks >Al The Vikings called mead "Nectar of the Gods." Like wine there is good mead and there is bad. It usually has to age for quite awhile. Undrinkable stuff can turn awesome with age. A fried made some that was so nasty he was going to throw it out. He put it away in the basement and found it five years later. It tasted like Harvey's Bristol Cream. Narry a bottle left now. Big liquor stores with a large wine selection quite often carry mead. There are also Honey Liqueurs available. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:45:12 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7oii2m$t80$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oden5$o61$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20121 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >>>It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I >>>destroy?". >> >>I don't know much about british bumble bees but over here in >>the US we have some pretty mean ones. It depends on the >>spiecies. >> >>Greg the beekeep >> >> >> >> // Bee Just & Just Bee! >> =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA >> \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------- >Is that a reason to destroy them? >> If you had a nest of Bumbus Americorium where you frequented you would either get rid of them or stay far away. They will attack at 50 yards. Damn near as bad as hornets. They are a georgious bee but they do not mix with people. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Sun Aug 8 04:51:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7oa8i4$18ni$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: How is Royal Jelly collected? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:06:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 934074416 208.170.81.215 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:06:56 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:06:56 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20122 By ripping out another damn supercedure cell !! Damn I let the virgin do her thing ......nothing Intro a buckfast, she released and started laying and now I check in, see her, see fresh eggs and more queen cells! what gives? This was the home hive that the first queen swarmed from, I caught her and hived , fed and she is laying up a storm. But the hive she left with the new buck, super cells again? Any ways my hand of fate swept up the three adjoining Qcells just jammed with royal jelly and then.........popped it in my mouth.......uh uh bitter! Damon @ Skep-Tickle Acres > nenders@my-deja.com wrote in message <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > >First of all, I now nothing about beekeeping. > >But I have always been curious as to how Royal > >Jelly is collected. I have been told that it is > >the stuff that the bees feed the queen. But how > >to we get it? > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bear update Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:46:45 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 45 Message-ID: <37ACD375.FDBF88C9@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-120.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20123 greetings, all. just an update. it's been about 4 weeks, since a bear attacked one of my hives. the electric fence that the state of new hampshire loaned me has worked really well. i thought the bear had moved on, but it made a return appearance this week, judging by the excited behavior of my dog, i'd say wednesday morning around 2:30. the bear may even be bedding down in the gully behind my yard, at least the path he/she has beaten through the golden rod heads thataway. also, the wildlife damage specialist from nh fish and game thought it was a likely possibility, being cool, dark and near food, although at the time i doubted it. interestingly, the path is directly behind my hives and, due to the way the fence is positioned at the edge of the lawn, the bear has to pass very close to it in its comings and goings. in fact, i think it even brushes up against it, which probably doesn't give it much, if any, of a zap through its thick coat. while the bear is having a field day on the undersized blackberries and raspberries [due to low rainfall] that ring my property, he/she has not damaged my hives. i know its enjoying the berries, because the big load of bear poop that he/she generously deposited on my lawn, was full of berry parts. unfortunately, my dog discovered the pile first. here's a tip, don't let a chow roll in bear poop. so, the bear and i may have achieved a live-and-let-live situation. it can eat all the berries it wants [glad somebody is enjoying them], as long as it leaves my hives alone. although, if the bear is reading this, i would appreciate it if you would find another place to relieve yourself. the point of all this rambling is that, if you live in an area that has any kind of bear population, i highly recommend that you get an electric fence. they really do work. again, i am a data point of one, but under the circumstances that might qualify as statistically significant. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37adf8a6.34569209@news.cidial.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 03:36:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.223 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934083628 38.11.203.223 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:40:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:40:28 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20124 One thing about that article didn't make sense, why was 120,000 pounds of honey made unfit for human use? Were there stacks of un extracted comb sitting everywhere and were flavored by smoke, or was the honey already extracted and then exposed. How can so much honey be exposed to smoke, if it's already in barrels? Was it put into the barrels before or after the fire? That article was a typical newspaper article, it sucked completely. Didn't explain anything. What about all their bees and hives that produced the 120,000 pounds of honey, did they burn up too? Just curious, as to why they were wiped out if they still have all their bees? Why are they smiling in front of that 120,000 pounds of condemned honey, and who condemned it? I would just like to hear more. Charles Kroeger - Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced to strengthen federal pesticide regulations passed. Source: The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) http://www.lcv.org/ From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37ae1e35.44185878@news.cidial.com> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 06:16:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.27 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934093241 38.11.203.27 (Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:20:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:20:41 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20125 Just scanning a few old post and came across this: Greg the beekeep said: >I figure I hold the world record for the number of stings by >my bees. Probably around 3,500,000 or more. I was reading recently about beekeepers that get stung a lot, and it seems that if you have sex as per say, with a wife, or woman friend or maybe a male friend, your sperm can be highly dangerous to these partners if they, unknowingly have an allergy to bee venom. Without knowing the hidden life of a beekeeper, that apparently likes to be stung, I was just curious if "afterwards" your partners ever felt a bit different than at other times they may have remembered? How can we know if we don't ask? Charles Kroeger From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does mead taste like? Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 05:45:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <7oj5gv$4k5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 08 05:45:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.27 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20126 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Could any body describe to me what mead tastes like? Is it sweet tasting? Some of it is sweet, some (very nearly) dry. The label should indicate. It has a complexity of flavor similar to that of honey, but smoothed and made richer by the action of the yeast and the aging process. The precise taste depends on: 1) the honey; 2) the recipe; 3) the brewer's skill; 4) the details of its aging. >Does > the local liquor store carry it? The one in my town doesn't. But I'm in a mostly rural area. I've occasionally seen it in non-specialty liquor stores in medium-sized US cities. >Are they likely to say what the heck is that? I've met some liquor store owners who are connoisseurs, some who are people who appreciate the wide variety of the world of alcohol, and some who are collectors of alcohol trivia. I've also met some who don't know stout from porter, mezcal from tequila, Champagne from Sekt, cider from apple juice, a digestif from an aperitif, single-malt from blended Scotch, Chateau Lafitte-Rothschild from Mogen David, etc, but who work only in the broadest possible categories and are concerned ONLY with making a buck from customers they expect to have no more sophistication or interest in the details than they do. > What should the answer be? Only the first alcoholic beverage consumed by mankind. This is a mildly speculative answer, of course. But long before agriculture made the amounts of grain used for beer brewing and bread making possible, long before viticulture produced grapes for winemaking, long before orchards were planted and kept to produce enough apples for cider, etc., Stone Age humans collected wild honey. This we know beyond doubt. It is probable that some of it was diluted before drinking, since they didn't have bread to smear it on, or perhaps because they needed to share it around over a larger population than it could reasonably be shared among if undiluted. Any occasional left over would ferment due to naturally present yeasts. While mead fermentation and aging to produce a product acceptable to contemporary people is a long process, a difference from the original honeywater would be fairly soon discernable. Many anthropologists and scholars of mythology assume that this recognition was one of the early religious experiences of our species. Even, perhaps, the earliest beginning of civilization itself. A kind of magical proto-alchemy that opened imaginitive potential previously dormant. And to the extent that intoxication was achieved, it is speculated that the difference in sensation and cognition were perceived/ interpreted as "possession" by the spirit/ god who had effected the transformation of the honey. As I say: speculation. But it makes romantic copy. If your liquor store owner is not interested in such non-pragmatic, parahistorical things, describe mead to him/her as a wine made from honey instead of from grapes. Make sure s/he understands that you do NOT refer to the honey-flavored/-sweetened grape wines that are out there to confuse the novice (some even having the word mead somewhere on the label, not techically calling the product mead but apparently purposely confusing the person who doesn't know better). >Is there any claimed health benefits from it like > other products of the hive? Any *moderate* alcohol consumption has some potential health benefits, according to the evening news (but, naturally, risks for some people). I haven't heard any special claims for mead other than taste and Dark-Ages' romance (Vikings/ Beowulf/ and all that). But I'm not an apitherapist; maybe someone else will argue for some specific health claim. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Aug 9 05:42:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does mead taste like? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Aug 1999 11:45:44 GMT References: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808074544.23133.00002057@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20127 Send 3 gallons at once and I will report back as to it's flavor. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans for hives Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:02:56 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7ojp55$r4v$1@lure.pipex.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 8 Aug 1999 14:58:59 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Aug 8 08:05:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp197.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37ad9b5f.2287391@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20128 "Mike" wrote: >I want to build some hives in Kenya. Does anybody have plans of a suitable >type for home building. Top bar hives can be easily made from locally available materials. See: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/kenya.htm and also: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From steven.turner@zbee.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee related web sites Message-ID: <934091841@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 05:57:21 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 934092200 7406 194.112.32.19 Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20129 Hello All, The 68th National Honey Show will be held in London this November. *Fantastic lecture convention *Honey show open to the World Download the 1999 schedule of classes and entry form and a lot more from the url:- http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/nhs/ Bromley beekeepers association and Kent beekeepers association news letters etc. Online Chat for UK beekeepers UK Beenet homepage download the mailer software needed and join the FREE beekeeping network. Join Beekeeping mailing lists (see internet services) 1. Honey Shows 2. Bee Breeding (BIBBA) 2. Bromley & Dartford Beekeeping Association 3. Kent Beekeeping Association 4. Apinet url:- http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ The Beefarmers Association of the United Kingdom url:- http://www.beefarmers.co.uk STEVEN TURNER Sysop of ZBeeNet BBS. http://www.kentbee.com/ Email: beeman@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:33:12 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7oj854$1too$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37adf8a6.34569209@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-34.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934093796 63256 209.130.165.34 (8 Aug 1999 06:29:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 1999 06:29:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20130 This seems odd to me too! ???? Right this minute we have $65,000 worth of honey in the honey house...only is insured for $45,000 (waiting for a truck). It is hard to sleep at night knowing this...we're on pins and needles. I don't think I would be smiling if something similar happened here. --Busybee Charlie Kroeger wrote in message <37adf8a6.34569209@news.cidial.com>... >One thing about that article didn't make sense, why was 120,000 pounds of >honey made unfit for human use? Were there stacks of un extracted comb >sitting everywhere and were flavored by smoke, or was the honey already >extracted and then exposed. How can so much honey be exposed to smoke, if >it's already in barrels? Was it put into the barrels before or after the >fire? > >That article was a typical newspaper article, it sucked completely. Didn't >explain anything. What about all their bees and hives that produced the >120,000 pounds of honey, did they burn up too? > >Just curious, as to why they were wiped out if they still have all their >bees? Why are they smiling in front of that 120,000 pounds of condemned >honey, and who condemned it? > >I would just like to hear more. > > >Charles Kroeger > >- >Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced >to strengthen federal pesticide regulations passed. > >Source: The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) http://www.lcv.org/ > From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Aug 1999 11:16:59 GMT References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20131 >How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a >sure fire way. pick it up by the wings on the back, kinda like pickin up a crawfish. works ever time Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From thoem@cgocable.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AC1409.F30671A9@cgocable.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 07:10:01 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net X-Trace: 8 Aug 1999 07:10:19 -0500, cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20132 If you picked ME up by my head I'd do almost anything to get your attention. Jajwuth wrote: > How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a > sure fire way. I notice if you pick it up by the head it tries to curl up it's > butt and sting. > Al From adamf@radix.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: 8 Aug 1999 04:48:09 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7ojg89$2g9$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7og3al$61q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990807030319.29220.00008586@ng-cd1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20133 In article <19990807030319.29220.00008586@ng-cd1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 wrote: >One way to tell the difference between swarm and supercedure -- are the cells >in the middle of the frames or along the bottom? Are there more or less than >six? >If there's less than six cells and they're in the middle of the frame, then I >think that would confirm your bees are superseding. Use cell position with hive behavior. Superseding a queen, the bees will not act "swarmy" meaning they won't be preparing to swarm, and most importantly, you should be able to see the queen laying along, as in a normal hive. The "supercedure" vs. "swarm" cell photos and text were always a little arbitrary. I think, if I remember correctly, that one book has lots of text and photos on this subject and it's not very well written and filled with somewhat outdated and confusing information. Supercedure so far as anyone knows is caused by some communication between the laying queen and the rest of the colony. The resulting queen cells produced are not competing queens, in that there is no conflict between the laying queen and the potential supercedure queen. Most supercedure situations will have a laying queen laying along with her mother. The mother queen is still controlling the reproduction in the colony. Some feel that in a swarming situation, various sister lines (groups of bees >from the same drone's semen) vie for genetic colony control by making a queen from their own stock(larva). Then, in a swarming hive, there might be queen cells from several sister lines. When they hatch, these queens fly off in a swarm with their sister bees. Another experiment was conducted using brood in a swarming colony to see if worker bees related to the brood were more likely to raise queens for swarming from their close kin, then from any brood in the colony. Initially, the results were significant showing that yes, bees choose to raise queens from their own, rather than distantly related brood. However, this experiment's design and analysis were challenged and when the experiment was reproduced several times, no significant difference was found to show that workers choose their own kin over more distantly related larva, in making queen cells. The idea that swarms consist of bees more closely related to the virgin queen has been shelved, in light of the data from the above experiments and data from post swarming experiments. Okay, so why then do supercedure queens lay right beside their mothers? Do supercedure virgins fight in the colony like swarm virgins? Is there a mechanism like piping to alert the workers of a multi-virgin condition within a hive during supercedure? What happens to the laying mother queen, while there are virgins out in a hive during supercedure, prior to their mating flights? Is there actually more than one supercedure virgin in a superseding hive? There's lots of fascinating bee biology to think about. -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Date: 8 Aug 1999 14:43:25 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7okj4d$amh$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20134 In article <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: >>How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a >>sure fire way. > >pick it up by the wings on the back, kinda like pickin up a crawfish. works >ever time You asked for this: Do crawfish have wings, down your way? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From pollinator@aol.comnospam Mon Aug 9 05:42:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Saturday Entertainment Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Aug 1999 19:18:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20135 What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? Slide Show: http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ Dave Green Hemingway, SC The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From miketurner@dial.pipex.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Mike" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plans for hives Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:28:23 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7ojp55$r4v$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usern500.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 934111205 27807 193.149.85.25 (8 Aug 1999 11:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 1999 11:20:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20136 I want to build some hives in Kenya. Does anybody have plans of a suitable type for home building. Regards Norman From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Mon Aug 9 05:42:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37ACD375.FDBF88C9@valley.net> Subject: Re: bear update Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 13:48:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 934120081 208.170.81.153 (Sun, 08 Aug 1999 08:48:01 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 08:48:01 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20137 Bill Greenrose wrote in message news:37ACD375.FDBF88C9@valley.net... > greetings, all. > the electric fence that the state of new hampshire loaned me > has worked really well. >[due to low rainfall] Bill et all, A wiser beekeeper looked a t my fence and suggested a little chicken wire on the ground also. Considering our dry conditions the wire can help in grounding the individual who tampers with the live portion of the fence. Just a thought passed on to me, and now to you! With the bit of rain today this would be unnecessary. Damon @ Skep-Tickle Acres From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 17:26:38 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 28 Message-ID: <37ADF60D.9E01B46@valley.net> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-122.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20138 Dave Green wrote: > What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC > The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm now THAT, was an amazing set of pics. very cool. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From honeybs@radix.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 10:49:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7ojovn$o9s$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> <37ae1e35.44185878@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20139 ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) wrote: >Just scanning a few old post and came across this: >Greg the beekeep said: >>I figure I hold the world record for the number of stings by >>my bees. Probably around 3,500,000 or more. >I was reading recently about beekeepers that get stung a lot, and it seems >that if you have sex as per say, with a wife, or woman friend or maybe a >male friend, your sperm can be highly dangerous to these partners if they, >unknowingly have an allergy to bee venom. >Without knowing the hidden life of a beekeeper, that apparently likes to be >stung, I was just curious if "afterwards" your partners ever felt a bit >different than at other times they may have remembered? >How can we know if we don't ask? >Charles Kroeger I haven't been stung that many times. That is the number of stings my bees have given to other people for treating MS. But to answer your question... my wifes belly swelled up really big a couple of times from having sex. I have two beautiful daughters. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 05:25:15 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 934105460 209.69.69.103 (Sun, 08 Aug 1999 09:44:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 09:44:20 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20140 Grab her by the wings- her butt curls down not up- but you still have to be carefull and make sure you have all wings in your grip. Also you can hold her by the thorax and head on the tip of your thumb so that her abdomen is over your thumbnail- the stinger cannot penetrate the nail. (I have seen pictures of this technique, but I have not mastered it myself- Tricky!) Elleb Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com... > How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a > sure fire way. I notice if you pick it up by the head it tries to curl up it's > butt and sting. > Al From honeybs@radix.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 22:24:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7ol1mq$gg9$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com> <7okj4d$amh$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20141 adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com>, >Hk1BeeMan wrote: >>>How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a >>>sure fire way. >> >>pick it up by the wings on the back, kinda like pickin up a crawfish. works >>ever time >You asked for this: >Do crawfish have wings, down your way? >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@radix.net >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf That probably depends on the night of the week! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beeman@kingston.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 18:54:18 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37AE0A9A.226A574F@kingston.net> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20142 Nice show Dave. I think I would have choose the beer :-) Kent From allend@internode.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Something Fairly Obvious Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:13:44 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 173 Message-ID: <000001bee1f3$a8f84ce0$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "sci.ag.bee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6ytXbV9KCQIrSDoKi8aj9ZU?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20143 We have been debating the uses and development of emergency queens on BEE-L* and I thought that maybe I should bring the discussion over here as well, since I think it could benefit us all to get as many perspectives as possible. Here are two of the articles. More are available in the BEE-L archives... --- Something Fairly Obvious escaped me for some time and I have intended to write about it -- so much so, in fact, that I thought that I had already written, and just now wasted some precious time searching back articles for my note. Guess I did not write it. For this I apologize. I refer you to page 19 in your 'Contemporary Queen Rearing' text. In the second column, under 'Queens', the development of an egg into a queen bee is shown in table form. Let's start at the top with an egg being laid at the beginning of the first day. Nothing much appears to happen until the end of the third day, at which time the egg hatches -- according to my book. Let's reset our clock now and call this the first day for the larva. One full day after hatching (twenty-four hours) we see the label '1st moult'. And again after another twenty-four hours, we see '2nd moult'. And at the end of the third day, we see '3rd moult'. BUT at the end of the fourth day, we see '4th moult (Sealing)'. To me this seems to indicate that the cell is sealed when the larva is four days old. Now, here's the puzzler. It has been repeated here on BEE-L time and again, that if a hive is dequeened and, then -- four days later -- sealed cells are found, that they must perforce be from old larvae chosen by the bees and destroyed for fear of producing an inferior queen. The assumption is that unsealed queen cells at that time or replacement cells made after will necessarily be from younger larvae. I don't get it. If 1.) a queen larva is routinely sealed four days after hatching, and 2.) worker larvae up to 36 hours old are routinely used in grafting and considered acceptable, How does it follow that sealed cells found after four days necessarily contain inferior queens? allen --- Next post ---- > ...I have several times removed a queen and, since I read that bees when > rearing emergency queens will use older larvae, I have gone back in > after 4 days and removed all capped cells. Then no larvae over 24 hours > old has a chance. I always find capped cells on the 4th day. This > suggests that larvae older than 24 hours were used... Thanks for your observations. Facts help. As you know, this has been a topic of interest here for quite a while. It is of considerable economic importance to many of us. I appreciate all the opinions, *particularly* those which challenge me and my assumptions. Such challenges make me think, and in the process, I learn. With the price of honey down and the cost of queens up, and with reports of massive losses of purchased queens at or shortly after introduction, the matter of quality home raised queens is of huge importance. Beekeepers are having to make compromises. We need to know which compromises are wise and reasonable, and which could be costly. Queens raised right in the hive have a good chance of success. At a conservative cost of about $25 per purchased queen (including the cost of the labour and risk of loss), every such investment must guarantee a payback in terms of better production, better wintering or some other reward. If honey is the goal, at current prices, each new purchased queen that is successful must return about 60 to 70 pounds more than an alternative (free) queen to pay us back. (When you consider that there is a cost (~$0.10 per pound?) to extracting and barrelling the honey, we can't ascribe the ~$0.50US bulk market price to unextracted honey in the hive). As I see it, there are several aspects to the question of breaking down sealed emergency cells on the fourth day after dequeening. * The first is exactly *when* the bees cap queen cells, and if all bees cap them all at the same point, or if there is some variability. I submit there is variability. * Another is whether 24 hour old larvae are *that* much better than the 36 hour the larvae that are acceptable by some authors (or the 48 hour larvae that Steve Tabor suggests that the bees will normally choose). I submit that in many cases the difference will not be detectable in the field. Joe recently passed on a chart (thank you) here on BEE-L that showed that swarm and supercedure cells (started from eggs) should be best, followed by grafted and emergency queens (started from 24 hour larvae). These latter two types of queens apparently decline in quality from the ideal by about 10% for 24 hours larvae, and 15% to 20%, if a 48 hour old larva is chosen for queen building. At least that appeared to be the case in the tests that were reported in the chart. (FWIW, I suspect that the results may have been tidied up a bit. Having done some lab work myself and having done some field experiments, I know that it is very seldom that results are clear cut and that all extraneous influences can be entirely discounted. Moreover there is often quite a bit of scatter in the results which does not show in the tabulations which are necessarily averaged). But I digress... I recently wrote regarding the queen development chart in 'Contemporary Queen Rearing'. After I did so, being the doubter that I am, I wondered if I was, perhaps using a typo to prove my case; the spacing of the words did not seem quite the same as in the charts to either side and I wondered if a carriage return/line feed had been missed. If that were the case, then 'sealing' should be further down the page a bit, putting it down the page into the next day -- a bit at least. With that in mind, I pulled out my books -- again -- and took another look. * Spivak & Reuter (Successful Queen Rearing) say "When the larva is 5-6 days old (or 4-5 days after grafting) the cell is fully formed and will be sealed by the worker bees". This was using 24 hour larvae. * Laidlaw & Page (Queen rearing & Bee Breeding) deal with the development of queen cells on page 82. There are pictures and things are very clear. The only question that is left open -- assuming that the pictures are correct and that they were taken at precisely 24 hour intervals -- is the exact age of the larva grafted. In that regard, I could only find only one reference accompanying a picture on page 60, stating that the larvae shown are the correct age for grafting at "about one day old", and assume they followed their own guideline in the cells used for the photos. Figure 55 shows "Queen cells three days following grafting". They are not capped at this point. This would also equate to three days after dequeening *if the bees chose 24 hour larvae*, as we assume Laidlaw did. The cells look pretty close to ready to cap. The one at top right might even be in the process. Figure 56 shows "Cells sealed on the fourth day following grafting". They are very well capped in the picture, although the one on the left does not appear to be capped, for some reason (there could be many different reasons for slow development, including disease). This would equate to the fourth day after dequeening, again if the bees chose 24 hour larvae, as we assume Laidlaw did. This is the point at which -- if you followed the advice I am questioning -- you would be going to break down all sealed cells... There are assumptions in the above argument, and they mmust be examined. One is that the bees raise cells the instant that the queen is gone, but we know that it takes at least several hours for them to get their act together and start to draw cells. I have heard 5 or so is typical. I have seen it take much longer. We don't know however at what point before cells become evident the bees choose and switch the diet of the larvae that will be queens. We don't know if they always have a few worker larvae that are particularly well fed in anticipation of an emergency... The conclusion I reach -- assuming scrupulous attention to timing of the grafting and photos -- is that if you went back exactly four days after dequeening, and knocked down all sealed cells, you could well be killing cells raised from 24 hour larvae. That is not to say that you would not be knocking down older ones. However, the whole premise to the 'knock the sealed cells at four days' approach is that bees raise emergency cells from larvae of varying ages. I wonder. Emergency cells in my recollection are usually in one particular area of the comb, and thus should encompass larvae of roughly the same age. If you destroy their cells will they build differently the next time? Are any that are uncapped on the fourth day from younger larvae, or just started later? Or a bit inferior or diseased? allen For those who asked: If I could buy only one queen rearing book, which would I choose? Today, it would probably be Laidlaw & Page's "Queen rearing & Bee Breeding". Tomorrow, my answer might be different. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:22:41 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7ol39q$1ebi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934154362 47474 209.130.165.15 (8 Aug 1999 23:19:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 1999 23:19:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20144 Your Saturday entertainment made for my Sunday entertainment! Thanks! Great show...hope the temps cool down for you though. Whew! Sweating just watching the slide show! --Busybee Dave Green wrote in message <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com>... >What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ > > >Dave Green Hemingway, SC >The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From richwebb*nospam*@gte.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37AE1734.B7D74FF4@gte.net> From: Rich Webb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Opinions on strains of bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 X-Trace: /wObnc/3XGhEEAMWBle1DB8hfXCEXljrWHqeOZ54SZx1fSAVsVUojVWSEOWqNGWavoSnfXSiKx8v!2vHnJjBEuasSkY6bp5EjCQSQ9JeGhvUEKwMH1Wf+45FpqRX8EprAHg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 23:48:19 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 23:48:19 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20145 As I was researching which strain of queen to get to introduce to our swarmed hives, I compiled the information into a web page table so that everyone could see what I've produced. The page is located at: http://home1.gte.net/richwebb/beestrain.htm >From this group, I ask that you check out the page, and tell me if I'm completely off base in the information that I've collected. I'm sure that there are many opinions regarding the various bee "races" and how well they work for the casual bee keeper. I can be reached privately at: richwebb@gte.net Thanks for the trouble you take, and hopefully the page can be made better! Rich Webb From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37ae1a0a.32107674@news.cidial.com> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> <37ae1e35.44185878@news.cidial.com> <7ojovn$o9s$4@news1.Radix.Net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 00:16:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.145 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934158072 38.11.203.145 (Sun, 08 Aug 1999 20:21:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 20:21:12 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20146 Greg the beekeep clarifies a former post: >I haven't been stung that many times. aaahhh. >my wifes belly swelled up >really big a couple of times from having sex. There you are then. it's true what they say. I did read where a beekeeper's wife almost died from anypheletic shock after having sex with this guy that been stung several hundred times that year. That rather queers the due when you ask, was it good for you too, and they can't breath. C.K. - in Clarksdale you hear about people being killed in Oakland you hear about people being killed unknown person interviewed on the NBC network "nightly news." . From jmitc1014@aol.com Mon Aug 9 11:35:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Opinions on strains of bees Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 02:33:44 GMT References: <37AE1734.B7D74FF4@gte.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808223344.25203.00008747@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20147 Rich, You're off to a great start. This is really useful information, but I found some contradictory assertions. In the writeup on Carniolans, it says they have a slow spring buildup, but in the comparision chart below it says they have a rapid spring buildup. Can't be both. Can somebody weigh in on this? Also, the writeup on Caucasians says that they have the longest tongue, but I read somewhere that it is the Carniolans that have the longest tongue. I reviewed my files to hunt down the source of my belief: it came from the flyer that Glenn Apiaries sends out to queen buyers. The Glenn people seem to be pretty wise about bees. Their flyer also says Carniolans have "rapid buildup," which I assume means spring buildup. John From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 9 11:35:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 02:35:26 GMT References: <7okj4d$amh$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808223526.28107.00010045@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20148 >You asked for this: >Do crawfish have wings, down your way? > >Adam > awe we gottem all down here, wings, blue,red polkey dotted. nuklear plant runoff i reckon Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From harper@ktc.com Mon Aug 9 11:35:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AE4FD5.16A0@ktc.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 22:49:41 -0500 From: Karen & Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for an extractor References: <7ogioc$21o$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.199.69 Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.57.66.12!news2.fibr.net!207.71.36.3!209.163.199.69 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20149 I guess you've combed through the local beekeepers, and if not try there first. This is my first season, but I found a man in his 90's who sold me several colonies with bees, and a few more hives for 15.00 ea. He sold me his hand crank extractor ( 4 frame ) for $30.00. The deals are out there. I am now hunting down another former beekeeper who has equipment in the area. I will keep you in mind if he has an extractor for cheap. From adamf@radix.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: 9 Aug 1999 09:46:12 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7omm34$qvb$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7ojg89$2g9$1@saltmine.radix.net> <4626-37AEBA3F-10@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20150 In article <4626-37AEBA3F-10@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, John Partin wrote: >ADAM': > Do you think that the same` things happen in forced supercedure that >happens in nomal supercedure. If it does dont you think that this >procedure would be a great help to a hive. Hi. Would you define exactly what you mean by: "forced supercedure"? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From shuston@riverace.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:55:06 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 42 Message-ID: <37AEEBCA.F4C02AC4@riverace.com> References: <37adf8a6.34569209@news.cidial.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: IzzKBghyRljOD8IKzPK8FZBL2dFrmyqHdlUoaITbPKw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 1999 14:55:07 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20151 >From the article, I got the sense that they didn't have bees anymore - had given up on harvesting honey due to foreign honey dumping and falling prices, and bought honey for making their specialty mixes. I'm no honey chemist, but maybe having 120,000 pounds of honey in barrels in a 1000 degree fire damaged it so it couldn't be used for their products. -Steve Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > One thing about that article didn't make sense, why was 120,000 pounds of > honey made unfit for human use? Were there stacks of un extracted comb > sitting everywhere and were flavored by smoke, or was the honey already > extracted and then exposed. How can so much honey be exposed to smoke, if > it's already in barrels? Was it put into the barrels before or after the > fire? > > That article was a typical newspaper article, it sucked completely. Didn't > explain anything. What about all their bees and hives that produced the > 120,000 pounds of honey, did they burn up too? > > Just curious, as to why they were wiped out if they still have all their > bees? Why are they smiling in front of that 120,000 pounds of condemned > honey, and who condemned it? > > I would just like to hear more. > > Charles Kroeger > > - > Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced > to strengthen federal pesticide regulations passed. > > Source: The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) http://www.lcv.org/ -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear update Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 14:57:45 GMT References: <37ACD375.FDBF88C9@valley.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990809105745.13701.00004662@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20152 bill.greenrose writes: > i know its enjoying the >berries, because the big load of bear poop that he/she generously >deposited on my lawn, was full of berry parts. unfortunately, my dog >discovered the pile first. Seems like the bear is hanging around and getting a little close. Maybe the fish and game boys could live trap it and give the headache to someone else. I suspect that your comments about bear scat might bring the old boys out of the woodwork again with their comments about bells and pepper spray in the bear scat. A joke as old as the hills. Maybe if your are a hobbyist the bear has a sixth sense that your producing honey surplus to your needs and why can't she have a some Good luck Al. From beetools@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 15:23:58 GMT References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990809112358.12825.00000659@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20153 Pick them up by the wings - practice with drones until you have a high confidence level. This is alos how you pick up queens and them turn'em over and hold by the legs. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From adamf@Radix.Net Tue Aug 10 07:54:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@Radix.Net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reply to Honey Bee Population Question Date: 9 Aug 1999 11:25:11 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 73 Message-ID: <7omrsn$84b$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20154 Hi. I'm posting the following letter responding to a question on an entomology listserver. Adam To: Entomology Discussion List Subject: Re: Honeybee numbers up..... On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:15:17AM -0400, Gene Spears wrote: > I've noticed a large number of honeybees this year visiting milkweed > plants (A. syriaca), and no managed hives in the vicinity, which prompts me > to ask the following, related questions? How do you know there are no managed hives in the vicinity, or that there were no migratory hives that cast swarms in the vicinity? Honey bees are fairly elusive as I'm sure you know. > > 1) Is there any easy way to determine if field-collected workers come from > managed or feral colonies? Are any of the chemicals used to treat mites and > diseases persistant enough to be detected by chemical analysis of workers? > Would it be reasonable to assume that all managed hives are receiving > treatment? Since most mite treated bees are legally treated in the Spring and Fall (following honey production management schemes: treat when not producing honey) you'd have to assay then. Fluvalinate is used now for in-hive contact treatment. Maybe during the treatment window you might be able to assay for this compound. (There are other compounds on the way too). > > 2) Any reports of native resistance in NA honeybees, yet? No reliable ones, no. > > 3) A more theoretical question. Would strains of Varroa that were less > virulent to their host eventually be favored? This is the old parasite > paradigm - parasitism evolving into commensalism - but, is the Varroa > life-cycle and feeding habit such that any selective advantage might accrue > to less-virulent mites? Tough to say--since VM co-evolved with _Apis cerana_ in Asia. Since the exotic _Apis mellifera_ has been so coddled and selected for build-up on stimulative feeding (USA Queen Rearing Industry) without much thought to disease and parasite tolerance, the scenario of VM decimating hive populations in N.A. has played out some, although there is a seemingly inherent cyclic nature to VM infestation and subsequent honey bee colony mortality. Work now however, is being done on tolerance selection by USA government, some USA Universities, and several cooperative grass-roots programs utilizing modern genetic and selection techniques. Thus, maybe when more hardy stocks of honey bees begin to influence the wild population's genetic base, selection toward a mean balance with mite/host can commence, as you state, from parasitism into tolerant commensalism. It's really hard to justify funding for bee breeding when the risk is so high and the industry just isn't very lucrative--it's more profitable to sell medication for honey bees than to breed better ones. Varroa's actual pathogenic effect on honey bee physiology hasn't been elucidated well either. Again, not much funding available there. Beekeepers and folks in apicultural vocations, unless they have a pipeline into the research program, are usually the last to know of any findings or advances in apiculturally related research. -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From preacherc@cvalley.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!cyclone.i1.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question of buying queens Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:40:36 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-76.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 934213661 30875 208.232.214.76 (9 Aug 1999 15:47:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 1999 15:47:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20155 I would like a private response on who and where the best breeders of Italian queens are. Sent to my personal address. I know everyone has there favorites. That is why the private nature. And do you know where any starlite Italian queens are. thanks preacher preacherc@cvalley.net From nono@nono.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of buying queens From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 22 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:38:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.104 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 934216714 216.98.69.104 (Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:38:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:38:34 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20156 You can get the Starline queen and bees from the York Bee Company in Jesup, GA. I hope this is not too controversial. ;-) John R. In article <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, preacherc@cvalley.net says... > >I would like a private response on who and where the best breeders of >Italian queens are. Sent to my personal address. I know everyone has there >favorites. That is why the private nature. And do you know where any >starlite Italian queens are. >thanks >preacher >preacherc@cvalley.net > > > From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee and nectar source Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 17:23:18 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20157 Do bees go to a preferred or closest nectar source. How does the beekeeper direct bees to herb patch to make specialty honey. I saw on TV where bees can be trained to go to a specific nectar source. This technique is used for bee scenes in movies etc. Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their garden or property of it. Al From adamf@radix.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of buying queens Date: 9 Aug 1999 12:30:10 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7omvmi$em1$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20158 In article <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, Dennis Crutchfield wrote: >I would like a private response on who and where the best breeders of >Italian queens are. Sent to my personal address. I know everyone has there >favorites. That is why the private nature. And do you know where any >starlite Italian queens are. I wrote Dennis. However, I think this is a great public topic and therefore am going to insert my own humble opinion on queen breeders: The queens you raise yourself, following proper queen rearing techniques, based on honey bee biology, will blow away any "breeder" queens from anywhere. Now, obtaining locally raised queens from excellent stock, selected in your area, is tough to beat as well. Look around: who sconsistently produces honey and has bees in your area? These people are the ones to approach with queen breeder questions. We use bees in our program that produce well and live through the Winter. Some were Buckfast, some were from David Miksa, some were Carniolian, some were Italian. Everyone's management is different. I don't like feeding bees, and I do like bees to draw out lots of foundation--I select for these traits in my population. "When in doubt, throw it out." This also helps keep the selection focused on what's important. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:59:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7omae3$j4b$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20159 pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ >Dave Green Hemingway, SC >The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Nice home page you have there! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 18:38:39 GMT References: <7on574$g4s$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990809143839.23718.00003577@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20160 Maybe I'm thinking of ragweed. I will have to try to do a proper identification of the plant. Is golden rod a wild flower type plant? The plant I have has long yellow stringy flowerage(word?). I did notice bumble bees at it. It's just that I am looking for all the naturally occurring nectar sources I can find. Sort of like an inventory. Then I want to plant some more. No harm intended on this wide world forum. Al From sotojavi@arrakis.es Tue Aug 10 07:54:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "Javier Soto Vázquez" From: "Javier Soto Vázquez" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb - La pagina Hispana de Agricultura y Ganaderia Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:54:43 +0200 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.72.175 Message-ID: <37aa16bb@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 6 Aug 1999 00:56:59 +0100, 195.5.72.175 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!news.arrakis.es!195.5.72.175 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20161 @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/index.htm Se está convirtiendo en el centro de encuentro de todos los hispanos hablantes que por nuestro trabajo u otras razones estamos relacionados con la Agricultura o la Ganadería. Col@boradores - Todos los que somos y hacemos posible este espacio Web. @groEscuela - Boletines, Artículos y Documentos. @groCafé - Para dar tu opinión libremente sobre los temas de mayor actualidad. @groPreguntas - para resolver tus dudas sobre agronomía. @groCursos - ¿Buscas un Curso, Jornada o Congreso? ¿Organizas uno? @groEnlaces - Para encontrar todo lo relacionado con el campo en Internet. Esperamos tu Visita. From tceisele@mtu.edu Tue Aug 10 07:54:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Date: 9 Aug 1999 18:04:20 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7on574$g4s$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20162 Jajwuth wrote: : Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant : that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their garden or ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : property of it. It is? It certainly doesn't bother me, or anybody I know. It's blooming vigorously around here right now, in fact, with a great deal of it on my property. My bees seem to be working it with moderate enthusiasm, and nobody I have seen around lately seems to be at all bothered by it. Just out of curiosity, is the species of goldenrod in northern Michigan (where I am) less allergenic than the dominant goldenrod species elsewhere? Or has the plant gotten an unfortunate bad reputation, because of being tall, obvious, and blooming at about the same time as plants like ragweed, which are less noticeable but kick out a lot of airborne pollen? Or, is there really a widespread allergy to this stuff, and I somehow never noticed it before? Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 07:54:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:48:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-48.uranium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 934224670 24800 62.136.45.176 (9 Aug 1999 18:51:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 1999 18:51:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20163 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... > >You have to admit that having loads off bees flying around you while > >you are trying to replax in the garden is not the most relaxing way to > >do it? > > > >They do in fact not sting as you have said but they are just a bit > >annoying. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > You could relax by watching them - beats a fish tank anyday! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is a common fallacy that British Bumble Bees do not sting. If you try hard enough, they will sting you. I have tried countless times to move Bumbles rather than destroy them, and I have indeed been stung doing it. Graham From bud1941@webtv.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-xfer.epix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4626-37AEBA3F-10@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7ojg89$2g9$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAwRRM9yAADhz49jq+oQuI+ha2NLoCFG5ITN2kmW7Kn6HeHdc9jOjdVWUy Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20164 ADAM': Do you think that the same` things happen in forced supercedure that happens in nomal supercedure. If it does dont you think that this procedure would be a great help to a hive. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4626-37AF272A-51@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7omm34$qvb$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQpinjStqy28TfyziJkB6RsvZ28FAIVALrFqDECppnsyLwk6PK7dlMbk7RN Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20165 One way to requeen is to use forced supercedure. We place a ripe cell in a cell potector during a honey flow up in the honey supers. The bees are so busy that they pay little attention to the cell and the new queen goes out and mates, returns, and some say lays rite along with the old queen until after the flow is over and they the old queen goes amiss. The research says that it can be 80% effective. We have been doing this for a few years now and I have not seen a swarm in any of our yards that we have used this method in. We have been using Dave Miksas queen cells but this fall we are going to get Dave to switch to yellow queens so we can check to see how we are doing. BUD From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 21:30:28 GMT References: <37AEEBCA.F4C02AC4@riverace.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990809173028.10903.00004046@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20166 The article seemed to indicate that it was an ideal situation. He had a business that was allegedly hurt by foreign dumping and he seems to be locked into one big customer. He had to give up his hives,He had 13 employees to look after as well. The article said he did not have adequate insurance. How much did he have can he recoup his equity or do they expect the insurance to restablish him as a going concern. What will happen to the honey? Al From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 22:25:04 GMT References: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990809182504.28104.00010620@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20167 >Do bees go to a preferred or closest nectar source. > At times your answer would be yes. As foragers return to the hive they give a taste and do their dance. A very high sugar content will yield a very prodigious dance, leading most of the foragers to that source. >How does the beekeeper direct bees to herb patch to make specialty honey. Almost impossible accept with special lures. Also bees will usually visit the nearest source IE putting out pollination hives at night after melons have been blooming for a few days will give better results since the first thing they come upon will be the melon blooms. And as long as the blooms are producing the bees won't look too much farther for nectar. >Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant >that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their ga This is one selling point of natural local honey !!!!! Local honey always contains some pollen from the area it was produced in, So sufferers can begin taking about a 1/2 a teaspoon daily early in the season and their allergies will not be anywhere near as bad, GUARANTEED TO WORK EVERY TIME !!!! I actually have one customer who hasn't needed her usual weekly doctor visit a single time this year !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From darrell@machinemaster.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Increase Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:41:41 -0700 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-ELN-Date: 9 Aug 1999 23:38:53 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Aug 9 16:45:10 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-003waolymp102.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <7onoqd$8sc$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20168 I am a beeginner this year. I got a starter hive in June and fed heavy. I want to split the hive so I will have two hives. Is it to late? I live in western Washington and I don't mind feeding. Also I have seen mention of a strip that you put on the bottom board to detect the Varroa mites. What can you tell me about it. Darrell From southbee@my-deja.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:46:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7onp85$91j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7omm34$qvb$1@saltmine.radix.net> <4626-37AF272A-51@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 09 23:46:15 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.26 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20169 Bud, I'm not familiar with cell protectors. I take it the new queen can get out of it somehow to exit the hive. I'm trying to keep things status quo in my hives. Don't have a lot to spend on more boxes, etc. till I get a good honey crop off of the bees...or is this hobby of mine going to keep growing exponentially and I will have to nuc the queen cells every time I see one in the middle of the frames (which they are)? BTW, thanks for everyone's input. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gfdavis@usit.net Article: 20170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees hanging out on front of hive Message-ID: <37af859c.16846764@nntp.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:06:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 934250787 216.80.168.221 (Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:06:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:06:27 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20170 I have a 2 year old hive that I should have split this spring ,but I waited to late and they swarmed. I caught them and put them in a new hive a ways off from the existing hive, but they went back to the old hive I think and swarmed again a couple days later and went up in the top of a tree and eventually swarmed off to were I couldn't get to them. The ones left behind didn't seem to active for a while , but have started to draw cone now , but they seem to hang on the front of the hive alot. Is this a problem ? I plan on splitting this hive the first of March of next year. I live in the southwest part of Va. GD From riverockt@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:39:04 GMT References: <7on574$g4s$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990809223904.10818.00003823@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20171 I've heard from several sources that honey (local honey) can help with pollen related allgeries. Possibily because it could contain nectar and pollen form the plants. I dont know about the theory but since I've started eating my honey my sinus problems have almost disapeared. It also seems to have helped a friends kid who suffered bad reactions. Who's to say From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:06:38 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Message-ID: <37AF892E.B3541B44@valley.net> References: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-126.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20172 Jajwuth wrote: > > Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant > that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their garden or > property of it. > Al greetings, goldenrod is much maligned as a cause of late summer allergies. however, it is ragweed that utilizes a wind-born pollen and is the real culprit [along with grasses and other wind pollinators.] goldenrod has a heavier pollen, that is collected and transferred by bees and other insects. it is a nectar producer for that reason, to attract insects for pollination. its pollen might trigger a reaction in someone, who is very sensitive to pollen, but they would have to stir it up by walking through it or stand downwind on a blustery day. tincture of goldenrod is actually used to reduce the effects of other pollens as allergy stimulants. to kevin's point, pollen in the honey might have the same effect. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From ashley2m@hotmail.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ameritech.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "patty2" Subject: looking for 1+gal. top hive feeders Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: max206.caltel.com/205.214.42.160 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 934253672199 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7yMr3.16560$J5.181756@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:57:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 934253827 216.200.3.202 (Mon, 09 Aug 1999 19:57:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 19:57:07 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20173 I will have to feed my bees soon and don't want to use baggies this year. (to costly) I have seen someone mention a feeder that fits in the top empty super, (your add an empty one) then this feeder is filled and lays on top the racks. The bees come up and eat. It is covered under the super and then roof so each hive will have it own. It is refillable and made from a rigid plastic. Does anyone remember where these came from? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Increase Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:13:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7oo5dg$hem$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7onoqd$8sc$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 10 03:13:59 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.96 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20174 In article <7onoqd$8sc$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: > I am a beeginner this year. I got a starter hive in June and fed heavy. I want to split the hive so I will have two hives. Is it to late? I live in western Washington and I don't mind feeding. > Also I have seen mention of a strip that you put on the bottom board to detect the Varroa mites. What can you tell me about it. > Darrell ----------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Darrell -- I would not split this late in the season. You might not get them to store enough sugar syrup before cold weather when they can not take syrup and convert it to stored honey. They also need pollen for raising babies and they may not have an adequate source of pollen this late. The "sticky board" placed on the bottom board at the same time you put in the Apistan strip lets you see how many mites fall of because of the presence of the Apistan. The sticky boards can be purchased from some supply houses, or can be made. Search this site for Sticky Boards. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out on front of hive Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:07:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7oo51d$h4i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37af859c.16846764@nntp.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 10 03:07:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.96 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20175 they seem to hang on the front of > the hive alot. Is this a problem ? > GD --------------------------------------------------- Hi, GD, It is normal for bees, especially strong colonies, to hang out on the front of the hive. Seems that they are just sorta sitting on the front porch so to speak. This late in the season it does not mean that they are bout to swarm. Doing this reduces the number of bees inside and probably helps let the air circulate better. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From corncob@nospam.techline.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Corncob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:46:22 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20176 Great show Dave. Loved it! Kyle Dave Green wrote in message news:19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com... > What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ > > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC > The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking for 1+gal. top hive feeders Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 04:08:15 GMT References: <7yMr3.16560$J5.181756@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810000815.07061.00009272@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20177 >I will have to feed my bees soon and don't want to use baggies this >year. (to costly) I have seen s A 1 gallon pickle jar works great, punch holes in the shape of the inner cover hole and put on top of the inner cover ( you may need to add a stick or two under the cover to help hold it up) works wonderfully !! add some dark food coloring to the sugar water, that way next spring you'll know if theres any still in the frame or if its spring honey ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 04:11:19 GMT References: <19990809223904.10818.00003823@ng-bd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810001119.07061.00009277@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20178 >since I've started eating my honey >my sinus problems have almost disapeared. It also seems to have helped a >friends kid who suffered bad reactions. Who's to say I am, I'll guarantee it works !! I've got three customers who spend or used to spend hundered's of bucks each spring on doctor visits, now they call me ! And those are just the main 3 there are about 30 more that have reported wonderful results. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 04:37:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20179 Ladies and gents I'd really like your opinion on this matter. Bout 2 1/2 weeks ago I noticed one of the local farmers tobacco spray teams hard at it across the road from my bee yard. since it was 10 am I became concerned and went to check things out, The applicator and his assistant could speak very little english and the farmer was no where to be found, They were spraying Kleen Tac mixed with Orthene. I tried to explain to them that the Orthene was deadly to bees and even grabbed a label off the box on the back of the truck. No Comprendo was their reply. So i circled the warning and asked them to give it to the boss when they got back, also writing that " Please no spray till at least after 3 pm" I called the guy's father who kinda laughed the whole matter off( these folks got more money than sense) He said he'd tell him. Few days later they sprayed again,@ 3pm so i know he got the message. Few days after that there they were at 11am spraying orthene again, this time they watched me approach and acted like i was carrying the plague. I asked what they were spraying " do not know" one said and the other said stuff for suckers. I looked in the back of the truck and you guessed it there was a half empty case of orthene. After a little prodding They admitted that yes they were mixing " the little cans" in with the sucker stuff. I told them about the bees... They sprayed anyway. My buck wheat field is right across the street, was in full bloom, I had bees hanging out the front of the boxes every night. That night I didn't have bees hanging. The buckwheat finished it's bloom with very little seed reproduction. My hives look like early spring ( maybe a 3 inch place at the entrance covered with bees ) plenty of larva, plenty of brood, plenty of young bees, Maybe a double handful of workers. I usually pull a few supers this time of year to get the buckwheat off before the clear cotton comes in. I went to do this today. Damn I sure was counting on a nice Christmas this year. This guy is a local boy, an ya know ya hate to start trouble if'n ya can help it. But I did tell them. I'd Like to hear from most of ya and i'll probably print em all out to use if I do something ( Like as other learned opinions). Thanks Very Much Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dh_ld@yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 21:40:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: dh_ld@yahoo.com (David) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 06:29:54 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.0b.23 X-Server-Date: 10 Aug 1999 06:33:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20180 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:155 There have been occasions when I've killed wasps or hornets that have come into my home, etc. Sometimes (often) the initial blow does not kill the poor animals, but leaves them twitching and apparently suffering. In an effort to relieve their pain as quickly as possible, I have tried cutting their heads off. That has never done the job of shutting them down though, and I soon learned that crushing the mid section (the thorax?) is what kills them completely. I've wondered why that is the way to end the job for many years. Is their brain in that part of their body? Do they even have a brain? Thank you for any reply! David From john@klamsystems.com Tue Aug 10 21:40:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 25 Organization: KLaM X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:11:19 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.224.181 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 934276280 137.186.224.181 (Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:11:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:11:20 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20181 What does the warning on the orthene say? Has the guy broken the rules. What are the local/state laws on the use of pesticides? Ditto, what does the local goverment agri-business rep have to say. What are your real damages? would it be woth your while to sue? Can you keep track of the guys actually doing the spraying, they may be the only evidence of what happened. Can you prove that your bees were doing OK before the spraying. What are the princpal argicultural crops in the area, apart from tobacco? Of particular interest would be those that require polination to produce a crop, fruit etc., ( if I remember correctly tobacco does not reuire polination). You might be able to get some support from these guys. Talk to the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and any other (sane) local environmental groups. Do you have greater financial resources than your neighbor, are you a member of an association that might help? Sorrry to sound unsympathetic, but in order to get any where your going to have to prove he knowingly did something wrong, and have the resources to prove it. As he is growing tobacco he does not sound as though he is one of the worlds most environmentally or socilly responsible people. Then see your lawyer and go for it. Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com... > From news@gotplenty.com Tue Aug 10 21:40:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "E. Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for an extractor Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:58:32 -0700 References: <7ogioc$21o$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <37AE4FD5.16A0@ktc.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-ELN-Date: 10 Aug 1999 09:55:07 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Aug 10 03:05:03 1999 Organization: GotPlenty X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust125.tnt5.olympia.wa.da.uu.net Message-ID: <7oostr$aqr$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20182 Thank you for the tip and please DO let me know if you come upon a used extractor. I haven't come across anyone around here who was willing to get rid of anything. E. "Old beekeepers never die, they just buzz off" Karen & Kevin wrote in message news:37AE4FD5.16A0@ktc.com... > I guess you've combed through the local beekeepers, and if not try there > first. This is my first season, but I found a man in his 90's who sold > me several colonies with bees, and a few more hives for 15.00 ea. He > sold me his hand crank extractor ( 4 frame ) for $30.00. The deals are > out there. I am now hunting down another former beekeeper who has > equipment in the area. I will keep you in mind if he has an extractor > for cheap. From adamf@radix.net Tue Aug 10 21:41:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: 10 Aug 1999 07:08:39 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20183 In article <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: > Ladies and gents I'd really like your opinion on this matter. Hi. This sounds bad--sorry. The law is the label. If they violated the label, then you have the right to legally pursue them--sadly the burden of the proof is on you and proving that your bees were killed by their spraying Orthene is going to be hard. Make sure you have the days, times, people, and bee populations/hive health documented in a list. Contact your state's Dept of Ag for an inspection, and maybe contact the police too. The secret is to get the most documentation officially, as you can. Then when it comes to law and lawyers, you will have some evidence--if you want to go that route. David Green has experience in this. Have you contacted him? Keep everyone informed if you have the time. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Tue Aug 10 21:41:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.aros.net!xmission!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:52:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20184 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:156 dh_ld@yahoo.com (David) wrote: > There have been occasions when I've killed >wasps or hornets that have come into my home, >etc. Sometimes (often) the initial blow does not >kill the poor animals, but leaves them twitching >and apparently suffering. In an effort to relieve >their pain as quickly as possible, I have tried >cutting their heads off. That has never done >the job of shutting them down though, and I >soon learned that crushing the mid section (the >thorax?) is what kills them completely. I've >wondered why that is the way to end the job >for many years. Is their brain in that part of their >body? Do they even have a brain? >Thank you for any reply! >David The "brain" in a bee is located in the head and is primarily associated with the eyes (sight) and antennas (smell). The Suboesophageal Ganglion is also locatyed in the head and controls the movement of the head appendages. The thorax has two Ganglions that control movements of the legs and wings. The abdomen contains 5 Ganglions,one for each segment. The first segment of the abdomen is controled by the second Ganglion in the thorax. All of the Ganglion are connected by a main nerve like our spinal cord. Each Ganglion is in itself a little brain center. That is why you can cut the head off and the bee keeps moving. When you crush the thorax movement seems to stop because there is no leg or wing movement. As to if an insect can feel pain, who knows? It is rather doubtful. We have a very sensitive nervous system for pain. Most animals don't. There is no purpose for a bee to be able to detect pain so why develope it? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From shuston@riverace.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking for 1+gal. top hive feeders Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:59:52 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37B03058.9437763C@riverace.com> References: <7yMr3.16560$J5.181756@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: +R/lrboo9hemWVt9ILm9LMI1PV/7mdz2936IETynD6o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 13:59:53 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20185 patty2 wrote: > > I will have to feed my bees soon and don't want to use baggies this > year. (to costly) I have seen someone mention a feeder that fits in the > top empty super, (your add an empty one) then this feeder is filled and > lays on top the racks. The bees come up and eat. It is covered under > the super and then roof so each hive will have it own. It is refillable > and made from a rigid plastic. Does anyone remember where these came > from? I have some 2 gal feeder pails that I got from Betterbee - white plastic pail and there's a hole cut in the cover, into which is placed a circular screen. Fill the pail, invert it so the screen's down, and place over the hole in the inner cover (I put a piece of narrow wood on each side to leave some air space under the bucket). A deep hive body or 2 supers (medium or shallow) is just high enough to cover the pail. The outer cover is placed over the whole thing. Betterbee is at 518-692-9669 (orders toll free 800-632-3379). The feeder pail is item FP1, $4.50. They also have a 1-gal plastic jar feeder, item GJF1, $2.00. I haven't tried it. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From jpa555@aol.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Too Dry Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 14:50:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810105031.21246.00000069@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20186 I'm a first year beekeeper. What I wanted to know is because of the dry conditions in the north east should I feed the bees? I have 2 hives that are really strong they are both in 2 deep hive bodys and I hae 2 honey super's on each 1 is full and 1 is still undrawn foundation should I feed them to get them to draw the foundation out ? I would love to see a couple days of rain before the goldenrod blooms if it blooms any information will be helpfull Thank you my fellow Bekeepers Jim From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 15:23:49 GMT References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20187 >. Then when it comes to law and lawyers, >you will have some evidence--if you want to go that route. > Spoke once again to the farmer this am.Figured it was only right that I give him at least a final chance. "Look, we spray when we have the time" was his response." I dont even know that orthene is dangerous to bees" was the kicker. The Ag pest guys in Raleigh are coming out, There's no way that they can make him pay me anything and it could be 9 months before any test results are back so I guess i'm just S.O.L . At least if they do fine him anything ,the money goes into this county's school system so my kids will kinda be getting something. So tell me this, Why the hell am I wasting my time trying to keep bees and eventually re stock the surounding area ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From nono@nono.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Too Dry From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990810105031.21246.00000069@ng-fk1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3eZr3.795$lL2.72833@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.101 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 934305791 216.98.69.101 (Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:23:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:23:11 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:23:11 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20188 Since you are wanting the bees to draw out comb in a honey super, I would simply wait until the next honey flow and not go to the expense of feeding just to draw comb. If we were talking about brood combs, I'd say go ahead and feed the bees in order to get those brood combs drawn. John R. In article <19990810105031.21246.00000069@ng-fk1.aol.com>, jpa555@aol.com says... > >I'm a first year beekeeper. What I wanted to know is because of the dry >conditions in the north east should I feed the bees? I have 2 hives that are >really strong they are both in 2 deep hive bodys and I hae 2 honey super's on >each 1 is full and 1 is still undrawn foundation should I feed them to get >them to draw the foundation out ? I would love to see a couple days of rain >before the goldenrod blooms if it blooms any information will be helpfull > Thank you my fellow Bekeepers > > Jim From jesse.hunter@bms.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.197.251.110!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:53:41 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37B06725.E0A00F56@bms.com> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20189 Great show!!!! As I have never retrieved a wild hive, it was interesting seeing some of the steps involved. What do you all do around there when you really get bored? Thanks for the entertainment! Jesse --without the birds and bees, none of us would exist" Dave Green wrote: > What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC > The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Aug 10 21:41:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 71 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 19:06:40 GMT References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810150640.02817.00000087@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20190 >I looked in the back of the truck and you guessed it there was a half empty >case of orthene. After a little prodding They admitted that yes they were >mixing " the little cans" in with the sucker stuff. I told them about the >bees... They sprayed anyway. > My buck wheat field is right across the street, was in full bloom, I had >bees >hanging out the front of the boxes every night. >That night I didn't have bees hanging. The buckwheat finished it's bloom with >very little seed reproduction. My hives look like early spring ( maybe a 3 >inch >place at the entrance covered with bees ) plenty of larva, plenty of brood, >plenty of young bees, Maybe a double handful of workers. >I usually pull a few supers this time of year to get the buckwheat off before >the clear cotton comes in. I went to do this today. Damn I sure was counting >on >a nice Christmas this year. Kevin, Orthene on tobacco that is normally topped (blossom removed) will not cause you any problem, because the bees aren't there. However, if the spray drifts to blooming crops or weeds that the bees are working, then you have a violation. Go to:http://www.pollinator.com/cotton/index.htm for more info (usually our bee kills come off cotton applications) Thru this you can get a copy of the label. You need to know the formulation. Orthene 75S has this label for bees: " This product is highly toxic to bees exposed to direct treatment or residues on blooming crops or weeds. Do not apply thisproduct or allow it to drift to blooming crops or weeds if bees are visiting the treatment area." So, if this is the product, and it was allowed to drift to your blooming buckwheat, you have a good case. If you warned the guy, and he continued to violate, you have a criminal case, and you can swear out a warrant for his arrest at the magistrate's office. But first make sure you get a thorough investigation from your pesticide enforcement people. Also get your bee inspector there to document the weakness of the bees. >This guy is a local boy, an ya know ya hate to start trouble if'n ya can help >it. But I did tell them. I'd Like to hear from most of ya and i'll probably >print em all out to use if I do something ( Like as other learned opinions). Sounds like he needs an education. He thinks the label is optional. It's up to you to let him know it's not. It's the law. Print out a copy of the flow chart on the above web page and give it to him. Kevin, and others, who have pesticide damage: DON'T LET IT GO BY, with a cynical attitude that you won't get any help. I know that at least 9 of 10 pesticide hits are never reported (because beekeepers don't get much help), but the authorities don't know that. There is a big lobbying push going on right now to weaken the bee protection of the label direction. EPA is being told by many state officials "we don't really have a problem with pesticide losses of bees." HA! You and I know better! But each of you that doesn't report, is giving ammunition to the lobby. -Even if you don't get help on this particular case, it will make a difference in the long run. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 19:41:49 GMT References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990810154149.09745.00000399@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20191 Kevin Johnson writes: >So i circled the warning and asked >them to give it to the boss when they got back, also writing that " Please no >spray till at least after 3 pm" I assume the damage would have been less if they followed your request that they spray after 3pm. I guess because your bees are less active after 3pm. In dealing with neighbours I usually write up a note and send it over. If I don't get the requested compliance I send over a second request. I realize your situation is more urgent. Al From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anybody try plastic hives from Dabur? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:50:18 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7opstj$b2u@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh5-port87.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20192 This month's Bee Culture has an ad for plastic hives and frames from a company called Dabur (UK) Ltd. The prices look good, I've wanted to experiment with the plastic frames and foundation, and I hate painting woodenware. Has anybody had any dealings with this company? Is the hive thick enough to provide insulation? Does the UV in sunlight just make it brittle? Any experience with this company, or with plastic hive bodies in general would be appreciated. I use plastic bottom boards and outter covers with good results (bottom boards are thinner than I'd like, but are passable with a good stand). Thanks In Advance Robert From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Aug 10 21:41:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 20:58:49 GMT References: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810165849.22577.00000248@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20193 From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) >Do bees go to a preferred or closest nectar source. >How does the beekeeper direct bees to herb patch to make specialty honey. >I saw on TV where bees can be trained to go to a specific nectar source. This >technique is used for bee scenes in movies etc. >Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant >that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their garden or >property of it. Al, the only way you'll get goldenrod pollen in your nasal passages is to stick the flower up your nose. This showy flower is falsely blamed for the allergies caused by ragweed, which is quite inconspicuous. Ragweed pollen is designed for wind dispersal, and it can travel scores, even hundreds of miles. Goldenrod pollen is designed for insect dispersal, and it is heavy and sticky. It cannot become airbourne (well, maybe Hurricane Hugo did a little bit, but I rather doubt it). If you want herbal honeys you have to find (or plant) large acreages of the herb. You can't really get much from a backyard planting. In the spring there are hundreds of acres of anise hyssop (mint family) growing wild in the fields until they are cut. But the distinctive flavor was only identifiable in a small amount of our honey. The bees worked it furiously, but it was still lost in the mix of dozens of spring flowers that bloomed at the same time. The purest honey I know of, in eastern USA, is orange blossom, and that is only in a good year. In a poor year, they find a lot of other weeds to work. In some areas, goldenrod can be such a strong flow that you can get pretty pure (almost white) goldenrod, but again, only on a good year. We label quite a bit of our honey as blackberry, because of the distinctive taste that takes over, when the bees mix it with other mild honeys. A lot is probably 50% or less. (We cover ourselves by stating on the label "Blackberry blossoms, and other spring flowers.") Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From starrzippy@aol.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: starrzippy@aol.com (Starrzippy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 20:59:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810165937.16170.00000249@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20194 I apologize at the start! While doing my Master Gardener course this year, a gentlemen recommended making a "mason" bee box. 6 X 4 box, with holes drilled in them, and then paper rolled up and put in the boxes. Well, finally, we have bees (don't know if they are mason or not) living in the box. I thought Masons had blue bodies, and are pretty small. These guys are mostly black with yellow-orangish bottoms. LOL. Sorry, don't know how else to put it. They are definately not yellow-jackets, bumble bees, honey bees. Anyway, I stand there and watch them, they are non agressive, and busy setting up the box. My question is this, will they survive during the winter? The box is sitting on a pole about five feet off the ground. I would like to be able to keep them where they are, but if they all die this year, I won't have them next. Will they lay eggs and start over again next year, even if they all die? Will only the eggs survive? Or will they all die, including eggs? Sorry to be so long winded, but I have a tenth acre garden, small orchard, and small greenhouse/garden area and welcome all pollinators, of course! I would love to keep ~all~ my little bee friends around, but really want the masons since they do so much more work than the others. Thanks for any help! So glad to find this group! --Sparrow From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:49:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7oq4ul$n8t$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-106.verapamil.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 934319893 23837 62.136.92.106 (10 Aug 1999 21:18:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 21:18:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20195 Graham Jones wrote in message <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >It is a common fallacy that British Bumble Bees do not sting. If you try >hard enough, they will sting you. I have tried countless times to move >Bumbles rather than destroy them, and I have indeed been stung doing it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Agreed - I should have said that they will not normally attack unless seriously provoked. I have moved many nests and have only been stung once whilst picking up the nest. Bumble bees are, of course, often used for pollination in greenhouses (or tunnels) and it is possible to work all around the 'hives' without any fear of being attacked. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!193.190.198.38!news.belnet.be!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:14:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7oq4un$n8t$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-106.verapamil.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 934319895 23837 62.136.92.106 (10 Aug 1999 21:18:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 21:18:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20196 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com>... >"Look, we spray when we have the time" was his response." I dont even know that >orthene is dangerous to bees" was the kicker. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- Very sorry to hear this news - and surprised that you do not have easier legal redress. I had always thought that you were ahead of us in this respect. Here in the UK we seem to have very few problems as the law has been tightened considerably and there have been successful court cases where the beekeeper has won. We have a system where local beekeeping associations can appoint Spray Liaison Officers and it is a requirement that 48 hours warning be given to the local officer before spraying chemicals dangerous to bees so that he can warn beekeepers who have apiaries within flying range (it is up to beekeepers to let their officer know where they keep their bees). This spring I was notified by a farmer that his spray contractor would be spraying a field of rape (in full flower) beside one of my apiaries next morning on the advice of his agronomist; I contacted my Spray Liaison Officer who is also a farmer and he was able not only to convince the farmer that he was breaking the 48 hour rule, but also that the advice he had been given was incorrect and that he would be wasting his money by spraying that particular chemical at that time. So no spray and no damage. It seems to me, with no knowledge of your legal system, that you need to lobby for better laws; there must be a very large number of beekeepers in the US - can you mobilise them? From honeybs@radix.net Tue Aug 10 21:41:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:39:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7oq7r2$a9t$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20197 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >So tell me this, Why the hell am I wasting my time trying to keep bees and >eventually re stock the surounding area ? >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Because it is what we do and who we are. Besides, it beats working for a living! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:15:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7oq8b8$1ro$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-173.sigrene-small-fish.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934323368 1912 62.136.201.173 (10 Aug 1999 22:16:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:16:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20198 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:157 . There is no purpose for a bee to be > able to detect pain so why develope it? > A bee experiences pain as a threat to its integrity Mary the Beekeeper From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:16:54 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7oq8e9$1uf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-173.sigrene-small-fish.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934323465 1999 62.136.201.173 (10 Aug 1999 22:17:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:17:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20199 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > A sensible answer, Mary, except that I am not sure about the protection - > can you give details of the relevant law? I believe it's the Wild Life and Countryside Act but can't remember the date. I have it somewhere ..... Mary > > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Aug 10 21:41:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:27:13 GMT References: <19990809112358.12825.00000659@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810182713.05190.00000413@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20200 My fingertips are sore but I will get it down yet. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:20:32 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7oq8l3$24f$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-173.sigrene-small-fish.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934323683 2191 62.136.201.173 (10 Aug 1999 22:21:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:21:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20201 > It is a common fallacy that British Bumble Bees do not sting. If you try > hard enough, they will sting you. I have tried countless times to move > Bumbles rather than destroy them, and I have indeed been stung doing it. Yes, but if you are stung by a bumble bee you have really provoked it. You (and I) have threatened their nest when moving it, of course they defend it. But it takes an awful lot to get any Bombus in UK to sting. Mary From calin@ozemail.com.au Thu Aug 12 08:04:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:37:08 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <37B0C5B3.22015716@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990810165937.16170.00000249@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 934331860 21677 203.63.79.234 (11 Aug 1999 00:37:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 1999 00:37:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20202 I am no expert on the subject but I borrowed a book about bees several years ago that explained a lot about ALL the bees. The book was aimed at the lay person so intimate knowledge insects or beekeeping was not a pre-requisite. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the book. I dare say there are several others that cover the same ground. You might find them in some of the bigger libraries. The book raised several points that might answer your questions. 1) There are 35,000 species of bees known to science. (yes I DO mean 35K) That means for every species of mammal on the planet, there are 10 (TEN) species of bees. 2) The vast majority of bees are solitary. A single female bee works entirely on her own. She lays an single egg in some form of chamber and stores enough pollen and nectar for the larvae when it hatches. She then seals the chamber starts all over again with another chamber adjacent to or close the the previous one. Her own adult life may be only a few short weeks. When the larvae hatch, it eats the stored food and then goes to some kind of suspended animation for most of the year until the right season arrives for them to pupate and emerge as adults. For many of these species, there adult life co-incides with the flowering season of a particular plant. The adults live fast and furious during that time (just a few weeks) and then die. However before they die there is another generating waiting "in cold storage" until the same season next year. In your case, the bees may appear to die off and not survive the winter but I wouldn't worry. The larvae will be there where you can't see them. 3) Solitary bees can be divided into 4 behavioural groups a) Miner bees. They build their nests by digging into the ground b) Mason bees. They build nests by mixing mud with saliva to from a very hard form of masonry. Before the masonry sets, they mould it into hollow shape to from an egg chamber. c) Leafcutter bees. They "build" a nest or chamber in available hollows spaces. These spaces are usually in some form of new or old timber. Although they do not create the original chamber, the will line it with plant material (particularly leaf material) that they have chewed off from nearby plants. d) Carpenter bees. These are large bees and they have jaws that can chew into timber the create their own chambers. With in each of these groups, there are many different species. They come in all shapes, colour and sizes. Your blocks of timber are more likely to attract leafcutter bees rather than the masonry bees. I have a beekeeping friend who does the same but on a grander scale. He uses several blocks of timber and with different sizes of hole. Some blocks are up high (hanging from the eaves) and other are down low near the ground. His point is that each species of leafcutter bees prefers a different kind of hollow and he tries to attract as many as he can. From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Aug 12 08:04:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 00:55:11 GMT References: <19990810204102.22567.00000373@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810205511.05221.00000320@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20203 Could you also elaborate on where you are at? Geographically. My understanding, >from a friend who sells mason bee blocks, here in the PNW mason bee block are outside from March until mid Sept then you take them down and put them in the garage, until next march. They should be installed on the South side of a building or facing south for most sun exposure. Hope this helps Laura From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 12 08:04:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:34:06 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7oqi35$1mv$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oq4ul$n8t$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20204 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Graham Jones wrote in message <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>It is a common fallacy that British Bumble Bees do not sting. If you try >>hard enough, they will sting you. I have tried countless times to move >>Bumbles rather than destroy them, and I have indeed been stung doing it. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------ >Agreed - I should have said that they will not normally attack unless >seriously provoked. I have moved many nests and have only been stung once >whilst picking up the nest. >Bumble bees are, of course, often used for pollination in greenhouses (or >tunnels) and it is possible to work all around the 'hives' without any fear >of being attacked. Our, U.S., Yellow Knoched bumblebee is like that. I dug one up once with no protection and wasn't stung once. BTW don't you Brits call them Humble Bees? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pollinator@aol.comnospam Thu Aug 12 08:04:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 00:41:02 GMT References: <19990810165937.16170.00000249@ng-cg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810204102.22567.00000373@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20205 From: starrzippy@aol.com (Starrzippy) >I apologize at the start! While doing my Master Gardener course this year, a >gentlemen recommended making a "mason" bee box. 6 X 4 box, with holes drilled >in them, and then paper rolled up and put in the boxes. Well, finally, we >have >bees (don't know if they are mason or not) living in the box. I thought >Masons >had blue bodies, and are pretty small. These guys are mostly black with >yellow-orangish bottoms. LOL. Sorry, don't know how else to put it. They are >definately not yellow-jackets, bumble bees, honey bees. Anyway, I stand there >and watch them, they are non agressive, and busy setting up the box. My >question is this, will they survive during the winter? The box is sitting on >a >pole about five feet off the ground. I would like to be able to keep them >where >they are, but if they all die this year, I won't have them next. Will they >lay >eggs and start over again next year, even if they all die? Will only the eggs >survive? Or will they all die, including eggs? Sorry to be so long winded, >but >I have a tenth acre garden, small orchard, and small greenhouse/garden area >and >welcome all pollinators, of course! I would love to keep ~all~ my little bee >friends around, but really want the masons since they do so much more work >than >the others. Sparrow, there are hundreds of species of solitary bees, of which mason bees are only one. Actually mason bees would be dormant by now in the US. So you have another species of solitary bee (or possibly wasp). All are beneficial. I would take down the nest when really cold weather sets in, and protect it >from the worst winter weather, unless you are in a mild climate. But do keep it cold, or the "nestlings" will hatch too soon. Each hole will have some babies in it (probably pupae by fall) ready to emerge in the spring (or the normal time for that species). The adults will all die. You need to provide another nest in the spring, so you can build population. Also renew the paper tubes on the old one, after they emerge, so they won't get a buildup of toxins and funguses. You also may have to contend with fire ants (depending on where you are) and parasitic wasps. Can you take any pictures and post them to a web site, or to aol's garden archives? I'd love to see some closeups. Check out some of the "alternative pollinator" websites linked below. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 12 08:04:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:49:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7oqivo$1mv$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oq8b8$1ro$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20206 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:158 "Mary Fisher" wrote: >. >There is no purpose for a bee to be >> able to detect pain so why develope it? >> >A bee experiences pain as a threat to its integrity >Mary the Beekeeper On what do you base this? A colony is a sum of its parts. The parts are bees of course, therefore any threats are not to the individual but to the colony. A bee stings defending the colony not itself. The colony has integrity not the bee. Detecting pain would be harmful to the colony. If in defending the colony a bee felt pain it would stop! That is why we feel pain so we know when to stop before we get hurt. Everything in nature can be reduced to duplicating its DNA. That is the nature of the grand design. Nothing else matters. Bees are driven by this principle in everything they do. We tend to try to give our bees far too many human traits .Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 12 08:04:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: thinking of starting Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:09:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7oqlvp$bo6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.107 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 11 02:09:05 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.107 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20207 "John" wrote: > Hi everyone, > I live in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. What area of land does one need to > set up as a bee keeper? Can it be done in a town? Should it? > What sort of cost are involved? > > -- > John Allen > KLaM > Custom Software for Small Business > mailto: admin@klamsystems.com > ---------------------------------------------------------- Hi, John -- The answers to your questions would be really involved. Your best bet is to visit with a beekeeper in your area. If you are thinking about a couple of hives as a hobby, it can be done in town as long as they are place where they and your neighbors will not bother each other. In this area a full size established colony sells for about $100 Packages may be a safer way for you to go after you read everything you can get your hands on, regarding beekeeping. Good Luck --- Pete So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From riverockt@aol.com Thu Aug 12 08:04:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 03:43:53 GMT References: <19990809182504.28104.00010620@ng-fh1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810234353.07902.00000366@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20208 MayBEE these modern day medical brain childs should take a few minutes away >from their sci-fi wonder drugs. And see what nature has been offering since its existance. The Indians survived some how without without little pill bottles From flanders@probe.net Thu Aug 12 08:04:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: flanders@probe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does mead taste like? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:27:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7os18q$99t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.159.51 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 11 14:27:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.154.159.51 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDnemaha Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20209 >jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: Could any body describe to me what mead tastes like? Is it sweet tasting? Does the local liquor store carry it? Are they likely to say what the heck is that? Only the largest liquor retailers in my area (Nebraska)stock mead, and the few brands they carry are sickeningly sweet. But two eastern Nebraska wineries both produce meads because their vineyards do not produce enough wine grapes to meet demand. The Nebr. Beekeepers Association's August meeting this Saturday will be held at one of them, the James Arthur Vinyard just north of Lincoln. My personal experience is that the taste of meads varies as much as the taste of other wines; many are lousy and some are very good. We didn't like our first homebrewed batch of "pure" mead (only honey, water, and champagne yeast) but really enjoyed the last 5-gallon batch made with honey and unpasteurized apple juice. (I think the proper term for this is "cyser," but I may be wrong.) Both, incidentally, were allowed to ferment completely and are quite dry. >Is there any claimed health benefits from it like other products of the hive? I've read the term "honeymoon" is derived from an old English practice of the bride drinking mead for the first month after the wedding in order to produce a son. I suppose opinions would vary as to whether this is a "benefit" (referring to the son, not the drunken bride...) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From CIrwin@novell.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:41:59 -0600 From: Chuck Irwin Organization: Novell, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees & horses and mules Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.65.92.58 Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!attbt1!ip.att.net!news.provo.novell.com!137.65.92.58 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20210 I need to move my hive because I sold my house where the hive currently lives. My new house sits across from a pasture where 2 horses and a couple of mules are periodically boarded. What, if any, issues are there with a beehive sharing the same pasture as the animals? Anything I should do to protect the bees and the horses? Thanks Chuck Irwin Weekend Beekeeper From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:36:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7osn9o$oee$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oq4ul$n8t$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oqi35$1mv$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.thinker.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 934404216 25038 62.136.107.81 (11 Aug 1999 20:43:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 1999 20:43:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20211 >BTW don't you Brits call them Humble Bees? > >Greg the beekeep ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------> > Could ask you the same question! Some do, but I must admit that I only came across the name Humble Bee in recent years - they have always been Bumble bees to me. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solitary bees Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:42:35 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7osn9q$oee$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.thinker.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 934404218 25038 62.136.107.81 (11 Aug 1999 20:43:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 1999 20:43:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20212 Does anyone know of books on solitary bees - preferably of the UK? I have tried IBRA but they have nothing. I know of an old book by Shuckard but there are very few copies around and there seem to be no modern ones. From renfrow@skylands.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.27!nntp2.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!ip-51.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes & links Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:43:37 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-L8p8OXboelF2UCOkSHa7YeWTXKAOXqW7EGOWAaU3aQbgw4mpsWGI2bZ6R0Z86yaDvWvevfHYIwLax/z!n6wRTwr7oqc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:47:44 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20213 Hello! I've posted some historic mead recipes to http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to many mead related sites (some with recipes) at http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More, A Collection of 15th Century Recipes" and "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ From bobpursley@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees & horses and mules Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 21:58:23 GMT References: <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990811175823.28837.00000054@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20214 In article <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com>, Chuck Irwin writes: > >What, if any, issues are there with a beehive sharing the same pasture >as the animals? Anything I should do to protect the bees and the horses? > Some horses are alergic to bees. As a minumim, I would put an electric fence around the hives, 20 feet in each direction. From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:43:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7osucv$mv0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oq8b8$1ro$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oqivo$1mv$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-94.neptunium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 934411487 23520 62.136.46.94 (11 Aug 1999 22:44:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 1999 22:44:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20215 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:159 > > We tend to try to give our bees far too many human traits Don't include me in your 'We'. Anthropomorphism is not one of my characteristics. Mary. The Beekeeper From starrzippy@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: starrzippy@aol.com (Starrzippy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 22:52:40 GMT References: <37B0C5B3.22015716@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811185240.28986.00000346@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20216 Wow! Thanks Chris for all your wonderful help! You are very knowledgable! >From your post I found out we have a leaf cutting bee in the box. She, I hope, constantly is taking in green grass looking material into the holes. Guess the masons are out of season and we attracted a whole another one! Yikes, I didn't realize there were so many bees!! WOW! I may get to my library and check out some books, although the information on this forum is spectacular enough! However, I have told my husband that next year, I want to do my part and keep some honey bees. I am aware of their severe mite problem and would love to lend a hand to keeping them safe and productive. For this winter, however, I will be learning and reading and continuing with my box projects. We will also attempt to do like your friend and build boxes for different levels and from eaves. Thanks again for the tip and for taking the time to answer my questions! Your help has been great and my little bees thank you too!!! Sparrow From starrzippy@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: starrzippy@aol.com (Starrzippy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 22:57:44 GMT References: <19990810205511.05221.00000320@ng-fl1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811185744.28986.00000355@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20217 >Could you also elaborate on where you are at? Hi Laura! We are in North Idaho, PNW. The gentlemen who told me about Mason bees was quite experienced in gardening and attracting them. He handed out the information on the box making in a class on attracting bees and butterflies to the garden. But, LOL, I guess we got another kind of bee. Of course, with our land we have all types of bees fluttering around. I intentionally planted Oregano, Comfrey, Bee Balm, etc to attract them so our orchard and vegetable garden could be pollinated. Now if they would just get to those cucumbers which all the bees seem to ignore! They are too busy bumping into each other on the bee balm and oregano. LOL I will be taking their box down this winter and because of the super response in this forum, will be making more boxes next year and hopefully getting into honey bees. Thanks again Laura for all your help! Sparrow From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37b210d4.31383823@news.cidial.com> References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> <7oq4un$n8t$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:14:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.21 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934417144 38.11.203.21 (Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:19:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:19:04 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20218 >Here in the UK we seem to have very few problems as the law has been >tightened considerably and there have been successful court cases where the >beekeeper has won. Here's one answer: - Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced to strengthen federal (U.S.A.) pesticide regulations passed. Source: The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) http://www.lcv.org/ Charles Kroeger From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble (or Humble) Bees Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:03:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7ot34i$qfk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-28.mifepristone.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 934416338 27124 62.136.79.156 (12 Aug 1999 00:05:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 00:05:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20219 In the course of my work, I have in the past removed many Bumble nests for people who "just cannot put up with them". I no longer do this. I found that it is people's fear of the unknown that makes them want the bumbles destroyed or moved. I now educate people who contact me about bumbles, and usually find they are surprised at just how long the bumbles have been present before they were discovered. After having their mind put at rest they always decide to leave them in peace. Mostly, bumbles are found in compost heaps in the Spring. When I say it's best to leave them alone the usual reply is, "Fine, I didn't want to do the gardening anyway" Incedently, I am not aware of any legislation that protects bumbles, and would be glad of the details as I know of certain unscrupulous pest control companies who do kill bumbles, in one case for £150. They told the elderly customer that the bumbles were extremely dangerous Graham From docosc@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: docosc@aol.com (DocOsc) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for beekeepers in western VA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:02:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811210250.15258.00000189@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20220 I live in Timberville VA (near Harrisonburg, home the JMU Dukes) and would like to start keeping bees. I have read a couple of books on the subject and the only thing they seem to agree on is that you need to watch an experienced beekeeper in action to get the hang of it. Since i don't know any, I thought I'd try this NG to make contact. You can email me at docosc@aol.com. Thanks! Chris & Erika Ashton, Joe & Lexi docosc@aol.com "Maybe it's the dancer, Or maybe it's the dance the dancer dances" From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packing for sale Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:06:41 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7ot6h1$tmg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-78.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934419809 30416 209.130.165.78 (12 Aug 1999 01:03:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:03:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20221 I've always thought its the packaging that sells the product! IMO if you can get $8 - 9 /pound, I'd say you found your "niche" marketing :-). Clever idea...go for it! --Busybee dewitt wrote in message <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net>... > I have received enough free glasses to pack all the honey for sale that I >have been able to get. My questions are as follows. > >1.) the glasses look like very fancy jelly jars. >2.) They have a "snap on lid" >3.) The lid will not seal if the container were to tip. >4.) They hold one pound with about 1/2 inch clearance on top >5.) Since they look like the jelly jars my mother used to put up grape jelly >in. I was thinking of capping with about 1/4 inch of beeswax then putting >the snap on lid on, much the way mom used to put up her preserves. > >Has anyone tried this? Any reason not to seal with beeswax? Taking it a >step further I was thinking of using a negative stamp of a honey bee on top >of the wax. It makes a really good looking presentation that I have shown to >friends ( some of whom are buyers for non food stores) and they all say it >looks "really special" with a follow up question they claim to spend up to >$8 or $9 for a pound in this packaging. Granted a survey of only 25 but not >bad at 2/3 that price. > >Any comments? > > From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Fri Aug 13 05:44:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out on front of hive Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:27 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <37af859c.16846764@nntp.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: mercury.wright.edu 934420050 32284 130.108.128.35 (12 Aug 1999 01:07:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@wright.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:07:30 GMT In-Reply-To: <37af859c.16846764@nntp.usit.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20222 On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, it was written: > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:06:27 GMT > From: gfdavis@usit.net" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: bees hanging out on front of hive > > I have a 2 year old hive that I should have split this spring ,but I > waited to late and they swarmed. I caught them and put them in a new > hive a ways off from the existing hive, but they went back to the old > hive I think and swarmed again a couple days later and went up in the > top of a tree and eventually swarmed off to were I couldn't get to > them. The ones left behind didn't seem to active for a while , but > have started to draw cone now , but they seem to hang on the front of > the hive alot. Is this a problem ? I plan on splitting this hive the > first of March of next year. I live in the southwest part of Va. > GD > Dear GD: Re: losing the swarm. Next time, if you have the opportunity, put a frame with open brood (eggs & larvae) in with the swarm. They'll never leave your or forsake you. Re: bees hanging out. Try doing an ether roll. When was the last time you used Apistan strips in your hives? They may be hanging out from heat, but I doubt it, since they likely have plenty of space in the hive. A good possibility is that they are so stressed out from mites (either varroa or tracheal) that they just go outside. Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Aug 13 05:44:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ripped off the news wire Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:15:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811211514.28089.00000150@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20223 VILLAHERMOSA, Mexico (AP) - A fisherman was killed Wednesday morning by a swarm of killer bees in the Gulf state of Tabasco, local authorities reported. Jose Alvarez, 40, and his three children - aged 6, 8, and 9 - were attacked while fishing in the La Iguana River, 45 miles northwest of Villahermosa, the state capital, civil protection deputy director Roberto Lopez Romero said. The children escaped by jumping in the river. But Alvarez did not follow them. Wednesday's incident came a day after another killer bee attack left 60 injured in the central state of Nayarit. Nayarit authorities said the attack was the most serious in a series of killer bee attacks over the past few days. The bees are dangerous because they are so aggressive when protecting their hives. They began moving north after a Brazilian laboratory accidentally released them in 1956. Several people in the southern United States have been killed by them. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From muskokie@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: muskokie@aol.com (MUSKOKIE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:19:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811211918.28982.00000491@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20224 I am thinking of putting a couple of hives in my pasture and would like to take advantage of any gray hairs that I can. If you have any suggestions for me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Nathan From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Aug 13 05:44:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees & horses and mules Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:46:36 GMT References: <19990811175823.28837.00000054@ngol08.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811214636.08251.00000311@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20225 In article <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com>, Chuck Irwin writes: > >What, if any, issues are there with a beehive sharing the same pasture >as the animals? Anything I should do to protect the bees and the horses? In a cow pasture the bees are pretty much ignored, though sometimes a cow will scratch herself against a hive and knock it over. But horses go crazy, if they are stung. Cows will move away, but horses just get wild. Honeybees can, and have, killed horses, especially when a hive is knocked over. So don't put bees and horses in the same pasture. If you have no other choice, run a fence around the hives to keep them apart. I don't know about mules, but suspect they'd be more like horses than cows. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Aug 13 05:44:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for beekeepers in western VA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:49:54 GMT References: <19990811210250.15258.00000189@ng-co1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811214954.08251.00000314@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20226 From: docosc@aol.com (DocOsc) >I live in Timberville VA (near Harrisonburg, home the JMU Dukes) and would >like >to start keeping bees. I have read a couple of books on the subject and the >only thing they seem to agree on is that you need to watch an experienced >beekeeper in action to get the hang of it. Since i don't know any, I thought >I'd try this NG to make contact. You can email me at docosc@aol.com. Betcha George Kelly at the Dadant branch warehouse in Lynchburg knows 'em all. He'd be a good person for you to know as well, since he sells supplies and equipment. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 03:10:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7otdub$9uf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990811211918.28982.00000491@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 12 03:10:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20227 muskokie@aol.com (MUSKOKIE) wrote: > I am thinking of putting a couple of hives in my pasture and would like to take advantage of any gray hairs that I can. If you have any suggestions for me I would appreciate it. > Thanks, > Nathan -------------------------------------------------- No problem, Nathan -- Be sure you have a fench around the hives to keep the livestock from bumping and turning them over. Along a fence with trees or bushes to give some partial shade would help. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packing for sale Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 03:34:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7otfcl$ar5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 12 03:34:45 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20228 , "dewitt" wrote: > I have received enough free glasses to pack all the honey for sale that I have been able to get. My questions are as follows. > 1.) the glasses look like very fancy jelly jars. > 2.) They have a "snap on lid" > 3.) The lid will not seal if the container were to tip. > 4.) They hold one pound with about 1/2 inch clearance on top > 5.) Since they look like the jelly jars my mother used to put up grape jelly in. I was thinking of capping with about 1/4 inch of beeswax then putting the snap on lid on, much the way mom used to put up her preserves. Has anyone tried this? Any reason not to seal with beeswax? Taking it a step further I was thinking of using a negative stamp of a honey bee on top of the wax. It makes a really good looking presentation that I have shown to> friends ( some of whom are buyers for non food stores) and they all say it> looks "really special" with a follow up question they claim to spend up to $8 or $9 for a pound in this packaging. Granted a survey of only 25 but not bad at 2/3 that price. > > Any comments? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi dewitt -- Go for it! The beeswax on top might get a little costly but at that price, who cares ?! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From tim_jk@my-deja.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: tim_jk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking for 1+gal. top hive feeders Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 03:36:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7otffv$at1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7yMr3.16560$J5.181756@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <37B03058.9437763C@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.83 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 12 03:36:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.83 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtim_jk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20229 Another Idea... I bought some 1 gal paint cans at the home center. I can fill them up and carry them to the hives by the handle. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From muskokie@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: muskokie@aol.com (MUSKOKIE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wannabe beekeeper in eastern Oklahoma Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 03:07:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811230704.28982.00000584@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20230 Howdy folks, just looking for any advice for a family thinking about putting a couple of hives out in the pasture. Any tips would be appreciated. I would also like to talk to any other beekeepers in the northeast Oklahoma area to get some specific questions answered regarding beekeeping in this area of the country. Thanks, Nathan From muskokie@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: muskokie@aol.com (MUSKOKIE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 04:04:47 GMT References: <7otdub$9uf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990812000447.28985.00000623@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20231 Pete, Thanks for the help. We have 13 dwarf goats and I have to fence off anything that they would be able to jump on. So that would be a neccessity. Nathan>No problem, Nathan -- >Be sure you have a fench around the hives to keep the livestock from >bumping and turning them over. Along a fence with trees or bushes to >give some partial shade would help. > > Pete >So much to learn - So little time ! > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > From cde049@airmail.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!juniper.cis.uab.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!newsfeed.mco!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Packing for sale Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:12:10 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7ot50j$84i@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Aug 11 19:37:39 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: ![*XO1k-Vhi:b-# (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20232 I have received enough free glasses to pack all the honey for sale that I have been able to get. My questions are as follows. 1.) the glasses look like very fancy jelly jars. 2.) They have a "snap on lid" 3.) The lid will not seal if the container were to tip. 4.) They hold one pound with about 1/2 inch clearance on top 5.) Since they look like the jelly jars my mother used to put up grape jelly in. I was thinking of capping with about 1/4 inch of beeswax then putting the snap on lid on, much the way mom used to put up her preserves. Has anyone tried this? Any reason not to seal with beeswax? Taking it a step further I was thinking of using a negative stamp of a honey bee on top of the wax. It makes a really good looking presentation that I have shown to friends ( some of whom are buyers for non food stores) and they all say it looks "really special" with a follow up question they claim to spend up to $8 or $9 for a pound in this packaging. Granted a survey of only 25 but not bad at 2/3 that price. Any comments? From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Fri Aug 13 05:44:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!203.24.245.65.MISMATCH!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees & horses and mules Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:31:47 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 34 Message-ID: <934428645.265710@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <19990811175823.28837.00000054@ngol08.aol.com> <19990811214636.08251.00000311@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-38.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20233 For what it's worth I have seen bees attack horses 500 - 700m from the hives, this was the closest the horses could get to the hives, but when the horses stayed further away the bees seemed to leave them alone Dave Green wrote in message news:19990811214636.08251.00000311@ng-da1.aol.com... > In article <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com>, Chuck Irwin > writes: > > > > >What, if any, issues are there with a beehive sharing the same pasture > >as the animals? Anything I should do to protect the bees and the horses? > > In a cow pasture the bees are pretty much ignored, though sometimes a cow > will scratch herself against a hive and knock it over. But horses go crazy, if > they are stung. Cows will move away, but horses just get wild. Honeybees can, > and have, killed horses, especially when a hive is knocked over. > > So don't put bees and horses in the same pasture. If you have no other > choice, run a fence around the hives to keep them apart. I don't know about > mules, but suspect they'd be more like horses than cows. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From ernie@nospamwhro.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Looking for beekeepers in western VA Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990811210250.15258.00000189@ng-co1.aol.com> <19990811214954.08251.00000314@ng-da1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bee4a3$06eab5c0$1ca24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:15:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.28 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 934449346 198.76.162.28 (Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:15:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:15:46 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20234 10-4 and he's got a bulletin board in the front of the place with just about anything a person could want second hand. Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > Betcha George Kelly at the Dadant branch warehouse in Lynchburg knows 'em > all. He'd be a good person for you to know as well, since he sells supplies and > equipment. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: buying products from the hive Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 13:48:08 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20235 How come you hear from the newsgroup that commercial beekeepers only get say 85cents per lb for honey. Yet as a consumer if you go to the store you can pay $7 or $8 a lb. I saw a worse rip off than that at a Health food store. How can the consumer buy direct to get a quality product and let the beekeeper get a better price also.. How much does shipping cost add to product cost. Is it also possible to buy direct and get the quality gourmet honey,. Al From john@klamsystems.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7osn9q$oee$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Solitary bees Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:05:11 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.227.157 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 934466722 137.186.227.157 (Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:05:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:05:22 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20236 I found some info in MS Encarta. There were some references in that artical. I don't have access to Encarta today, my daughter has pinced it, otherwise I would pass them on. When, if, I get it back soon I will pass on the references via this NG. john Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7osn9q$oee$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 14:04:19 GMT References: <7oq7r2$a9t$4@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990812100419.13254.00000009@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20237 Greg writes: >Besides, it beats working for a living! > Could you please expand on this or perhaps others could comment on it. For the potential return it seems to me there may be quite bit of work. Is it because your working outdoors and with nature that it does not seem like work. That would appeal to me. Al From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Aug 13 05:44:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 14:55:17 GMT References: <19990812100419.13254.00000009@ngol07.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990812105517.11668.00000033@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20238 From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) >>Besides, it beats working for a living! >> >Could you please expand on this or perhaps others could comment on it. For >the >potential return it seems to me there may be quite bit of work. Is it because >your working outdoors and with nature that it does not seem like work. That >would appeal to me. >Al It's so much fun it doesn't SEEM like work. We are among the lucky few that look forward to Monday morning..... (although I wish Monday morning would be 90 degrees instead of 100!) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From allend@internode.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:25:34 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <000c01bee4d6$ec3ce2a0$02000003@allend> References: <01bee4a3$bae00bc0$1ca24cc6@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <01bee4a3$bae00bc0$1ca24cc6@default> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _4DlqxQENhe6pkDhhb/n+XQ= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20239 > If it's just cattle, you might want to put each hive in the middle of a > wooden pallet as the cattle don't like stepping on them and will usually > leave them alone. We have four on a pallet in many pastures and seldom have any disturbed. Single hives on normal floors are usually okay around cattle, as well. Any problems usually are with horses, or dairy cattle. Normal beef will usually not bother hives unless they are placed too close together for the cattle to walk through, or unless they are hit by spooked cattle stampeding in the dark. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From CIrwin@novell.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37B2FD4D.FB781FA@novell.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:58:53 -0600 From: Chuck Irwin Organization: Novell, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packing for sale References: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> <7otfcl$ar5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.65.92.58 Lines: 38 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!attbt1!ip.att.net!news.provo.novell.com!137.65.92.58 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20240 I am not a Martha Stewart junkie, but I did catch part of an episode where she did something similar with jams/jellies. Pete wrote: > , > "dewitt" wrote: > > I have received enough free glasses to pack all the honey for sale > that I have been able to get. My questions are as follows. > > > 1.) the glasses look like very fancy jelly jars. > > 2.) They have a "snap on lid" > > 3.) The lid will not seal if the container were to tip. > > 4.) They hold one pound with about 1/2 inch clearance on top > > 5.) Since they look like the jelly jars my mother used to put up grape > jelly in. I was thinking of capping with about 1/4 inch of beeswax then > putting the snap on lid on, much the way mom used to put up her > preserves. Has anyone tried this? Any reason not to seal with beeswax? > Taking it a step further I was thinking of using a negative stamp of a > honey bee on top of the wax. It makes a really good looking presentation > that I have shown to> friends ( some of whom are buyers for non food > stores) and they all say it> looks "really special" with a follow up > question they claim to spend up to $8 or $9 for a pound in this > packaging. Granted a survey of only 25 but not bad at 2/3 that price. > > > > Any comments? > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi dewitt -- > Go for it! The beeswax on top might get a little costly > but at that price, who cares ?! > Pete > > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************** > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Eclipse Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:41:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7ovbjj$80t$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.clown.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 934490547 8221 62.136.109.224 (12 Aug 1999 20:42:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 20:42:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20241 Every other NG I read has l-o-n-g discussions about the effects on their particular subject. How refreshing not to read about it here. Mary From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping-USA south Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 21:02:33 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990812170233.14672.00000113@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20242 How long is the beekeeping season in the American South. I'm thinking of Texas and Louisiana. According to the critics the movie The Apostle(written and directed by Robert Duvall) captured the essence of the American south. Judging >from the movie it looks like nice country with an interesting atmosphere. Is it a good area for beekeeping.. Al From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Aug 13 05:44:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying products from the hive Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 22:00:06 GMT References: <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990812180006.25821.00000222@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20243 >s it also >possible to buy direct and get the quality gourmet honey,. There is a beekeeper within non toll call distance darn near everywhere in the USA-direct should not be a problem you just have to look. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From ernie@nospamwhro.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990811211918.28982.00000491@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7otdub$9uf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Message-ID: <01bee4a3$bae00bc0$1ca24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:20:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.28 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 934449647 198.76.162.28 (Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:20:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:20:47 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20244 Hello Nathan, If it's just cattle, you might want to put each hive in the middle of a wooden pallet as the cattle don't like stepping on them and will usually leave them alone. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > Be sure you have a fench around the hives to keep the livestock from > bumping and turning them over. Along a fence with trees or bushes to > give some partial shade would help. From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble (or Humble) Bees Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:39:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7ovbf6$7sp$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ot34i$qfk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.clown.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 934490406 8089 62.136.109.224 (12 Aug 1999 20:40:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 20:40:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20245 Graham Jones wrote in message news:7ot34i$qfk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... Great! they always say they don't mind but they have a dog ... or grandchildren ... or some other excuse. I say they're flying teddy bears and give them a lecture on the natural history of bumble bees. they are too, too precious to destroy. Mary > In the course of my work, I have in the past removed many Bumble nests for > people who "just cannot put up with them". I no longer do this. I found > that it is people's fear of the unknown that makes them want the bumbles > destroyed or moved. I now educate people who contact me about bumbles, and > usually find they are surprised at just how long the bumbles have been > present before they were discovered. After having their mind put at rest > they always decide to leave them in peace. Mostly, bumbles are found in > compost heaps in the Spring. When I say it's best to leave them alone the > usual reply is, "Fine, I didn't want to do the gardening anyway" > Incedently, I am not aware of any legislation that protects bumbles, and > would be glad of the details as I know of certain unscrupulous pest control > companies who do kill bumbles, in one case for £150. They told the elderly > customer that the bumbles were extremely dangerous > > Graham > > From BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Fri Aug 13 05:44:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PESTICIDES-what can we do? Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:11:59 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 51 Message-ID: <37B346AF.85CA1D76@club-internet.fr> Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-8-246.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 934492825 16171 195.36.212.246 (12 Aug 1999 21:20:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 21:20:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20246 Hello World, It appears to me that there are more and more problems associated with pesticides when allied to bee damage. What can we as a globally connected group do? Regarding the activities of pesticides/herbicides, 1.What is the global loss to beekeepers in revenue( honey, other bee products). 2.What is the global loss to beekeepers when having to replace hives, frames etc. 3.What is the global loss in the Agricultural domain from the pre mentioned losses? These questions may be/ may not be calculated- but what is sure is that there is a great loss and inconvenience to both sides. What are the factors in place that should ensure that problems do not occur? It appears to me that Agricultural/ Chemical/ Governmental organisations are not really aware of the consequences of bee loss, or they don't care! - when the actualities are looked at. BUT at the same time such bodies publicly state that they DO care.The difference between what is stated and what is actually happening is worlds apart. WHY? To me it seems that the controls and controlling agencies are not strong enough. If they are not strong enough or not following the regulations- who's fault? I suggest that pesticides/Herbicides that are put foreword for commercial use must in the future have undergo tests(wether or not they are liable to come into direct or indirect contact with bees, as this one of the loopholes used by producers of substances to get out of testing product toxicity on bees) The tests must be undertaken by wholly independent laboratories and their results submitted to a global commission who with the aid of 5 sub-committees( covering the 5 continents). This commission would then recommend or not on the use of the proposed product. It would then be easy to see if National governments are representing the people who put them in place, or if that are bending to the lobby power of the inter-national companies. PIPE DREAMING OR POSSIBILITY? Any thoughts on how to advance with this problem are welcome Peter. From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:28:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7ovjfi$agi$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7oq7r2$a9t$4@news1.Radix.Net> <19990812100419.13254.00000009@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20247 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Greg writes: >>Besides, it beats working for a living! >> >Could you please expand on this or perhaps others could comment on it. For the >potential return it seems to me there may be quite bit of work. Is it because >your working outdoors and with nature that it does not seem like work. That >would appeal to me. >Al Well for the most part, I enjoy what I do so much that it doesn't feel like a job. My kids say "Daddy doesn't have a job, he's a beekeeper." Now that they have good non-alcoholic beer; what other job allows you to ride around the countryside drinking beer and visiting your apiaries? But the part that I love the most is watching the traffic reports in the morning and knowing "I'm at work!" I ain't rich but I'm damn happy. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:33:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7ovjpd$agi$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20248 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Ladies and gents I'd really like your opinion on this matter. >This guy is a local boy, an ya know ya hate to start trouble if'n ya can help >it. But I did tell them. I'd Like to hear from most of ya and i'll probably >print em all out to use if I do something ( Like as other learned opinions). >Thanks Very Much >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC This is just a thought but is there any new corn in tassel? There is a new variety that produces toxic pollen to kill the corn worm. It was discovered that drifting pollen killed Monarch catapillers on nearby milkweed. It was never tested with bees! Bees will work corn for its low grade pollen. Just a thought. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From cde049@airmail.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packing for sale Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:39:06 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7ovjjv$1o3@library2.airnews.net> References: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> <7otfcl$ar5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37B2FD4D.FB781FA@novell.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Aug 12 17:59:11 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !XAfQ1k-X/a**PO (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20249 Chuck Irwin wrote in message news:37B2FD4D.FB781FA@novell.com... > I am not a Martha Stewart junkie, but I did catch part of an episode where > she did something similar with jams/jellies. > Personally I couldn't have a nicer comparison. IT IS A GOOD THING. cliff From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying products from the hive Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:37:22 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7ovp6s$1hei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-55.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934504476 50642 209.130.165.55 (13 Aug 1999 00:34:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 1999 00:34:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20250 Yep...if only the American consumer only knew the half of it! Best way to buy any agricultural commodity would be to go directly to the source. Better price and quality. We are able to sell bulk honey (U bring your own clean containers) for $1.00/lb. We make close to .40 cents over market and the consumer saves mucho $$$ over buying it in the grocery/health food store. No middlemen or jar costs but consumer needs to be willing to drive out to our honey house (some drive 30 miles for 1 - 2 pounds)! BUT they say it is the best they have EVER tasted and the drive out was nice they say. Trying not too hard to pull a muscle for patting myself on the back...I would consider our honey to be "gourmet" if you knew how much blended low quality honey goes into some packaged store-bought "honey". --Busybee Jajwuth wrote in message <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com>... >How come you hear from the newsgroup that commercial beekeepers only get say >85cents per lb for honey. Yet as a consumer if you go to the store you can pay >$7 or $8 a lb. I saw a worse rip off than that at a Health food store. How can >the consumer buy direct to get a quality product and let the beekeeper get a >better price also.. How much does shipping cost add to product cost. Is it also >possible to buy direct and get the quality gourmet honey,. >Al From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying products from the hive Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:23:49 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> To: Jajwuth X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 13 Aug 1999 00:28:09 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Aug 12 17:35:12 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust120.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37B36595.50A1@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20251 Jajwuth wrote: > > How come you hear from the newsgroup that commercial beekeepers only get say > 85cents per lb for honey. Yet as a consumer if you go to the store you can pay > $7 or $8 a lb. I saw a worse rip off than that at a Health food store. How can > the consumer buy direct to get a quality product and let the beekeeper get a > better price also.. How much does shipping cost add to product cost. Is it also > possible to buy direct and get the quality gourmet honey,. > Al For the same reason watermelon farmers sell their melons for a nickle a pound and the stores sell it for 79 cents a lb. From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping-USA south Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:22:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7ovq5l$q3j$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990812170233.14672.00000113@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20252 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >How long is the beekeeping season in the American South. I'm thinking of >Texas and Louisiana. According to the critics the movie The Apostle(written and >directed by Robert Duvall) captured the essence of the American south. Judging >from the movie it looks like nice country with an interesting atmosphere. Is it >a good area for beekeeping.. >Al That's where the east's package bees are all raised. I' can't say much about the beekeeping but you can't beat that "Southern Hospitality" that makes you feel at home. They know how to fry up some good heart attack type foods to like laced cornbread and fried ockra and you never leave the table hungry. They don't know how to cook seafood though. They boil everything until it's soggy. You have to come to Maryland where they know how to steam shrimp and crabs. Their warm water oysters leave much to be desired. Our Chesapeake oysters don't really get good until January or February. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Aug 13 05:44:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping-USA south Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 23:51:13 GMT References: <19990812170233.14672.00000113@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990812195113.23012.00000257@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20253 From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) >How long is the beekeeping season in the American South. I'm thinking of >Texas and Louisiana. According to the critics the movie The Apostle(written >and >directed by Robert Duvall) captured the essence of the American south. >Judging >from the movie it looks like nice country with an interesting atmosphere. Is >it >a good area for beekeeping.. >Al Except for Florida, the beekeeping season in the south is quite short, mainly in the spring. Most of your commercial beekeepers are either migratory (going north by late spring) or they have a specialty like queens/packages/varietal honeys or pollination. If you are trying to make a living with beekeeping, the south makes some unique challenges. Hundred degree days, barren pine forests, cotton spraying, drought, and now afrobeetles are some. If you want to make a living from honey production, I'd try for that in the north, though a few Florida beekeepers manage to get by on 3 or 4 flows per year, with orange blossom being the premium one. You'd think honey production would be better in the south, but the primary US honey source, clover, is marginal in hot areas. And remember the farther north you go the longer are those summer days. Some of the biggest honey crops in the world are made in northern Canada and Siberia, where bees have almost 24 hour days to work. If you are seriously thinking about moving, remember that you will have to pay for an education, either from other willing beekeeper mentors, or in "The University of the Seat of the Pants." Northern methods and nectar sources are different, and you will have to adapt. Learning just where and how to do so will not happen in one season. Oftentimes you can accomplish a lot with the bees by migrating short distances to follow the season (gererally from the coast to upland). I hope I'm not discouraging you; there are opportunities, if you are willing to work and learn. But go into it with eyes wide open. As far as the non-beekeeping aspects, people are generally friendly, except for a few that are still fighting an old war. Summers are long and HOT, and springs, falls and winters are invigorating. The economy is pretty good, except for some depressed areas. (Actually, for beekeeping, you might want to choose a depressed area, because the cost of living is less.) The south is losing some of its traditional character, as immigrants move in >from the north (lottsa retirees), from Mexico, and from Asia. It's rapidly becoming a melting pot, like the rest of America has always been. The rapid growth brings problems and challenges heritage, but it also is an importation of economic resources (mainly from the north) and ambition (mainly from abroad). Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From mlamana@bestweb.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike LaMana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:21:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.179.5.56 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 934510879 216.179.5.56 (Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:21:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:21:19 EDT Organization: BestWeb (bestweb.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20254 Kevin: I helped a buddy of mine with a similar pesticide situation. I suggest thta you call your state environmental agency, as well as the extension service bee people. Get a sample of freshly dead bees, put them in a clean mason jar, and freeze them ASAP. Send them out so that the pesticide can be identified (this is done free of charge here in NY). Inquire about the material that the folks were spraying. Tell the enviromental people to look into their pesticide usage paperwork to see if what they were spraying (on paper) matches what you saw. Look into the state restrictions on application time to rpotect pollinators, and see if there is a violation thee (sounds like there is...I keep bees AND am a professional pesticide applicator!!) I disagree with the guy/gal who asked you to assess your real losses...there are strict laws governing the use of pesticides around colonies and when pollinators are out. There is more at stake in a kill than the cost of a $50 nuc or two...applicators (like myself) owe it their communities and clients to be responsible. What's moe, those directions on applications times and pollinator sensitivity on lable of the Orthene can are a LEGAL DOCUMENT, i.e. A CONTRACT. Any deviation from the lable is a legal offense more than a mere act of irresponsibility. An accident while spraying pesticides is one thing. Patent disregard of one's responsibilities is quite another. Good luck! Mike LaMana New York mlamana@bestweb.net -----Original Message----- From: Hk1BeeMan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 12:37 AM Subject: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill > Ladies and gents I'd really like your opinion on this matter..... > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From richwebb*nospam*@gte.net Sat Aug 14 09:35:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37B3848A.CB917608@gte.net> From: Rich Webb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Opinions on strains of bees References: <37AE1734.B7D74FF4@gte.net> <19990808223344.25203.00008747@ng-cr1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 X-Trace: +4AzTcyKU9Y7UXIGMyfHKAMqJBGm79hqum6swybw3SQSFU8MYCkF3xj1B/RwLoq85FVsF4AX8Qzm!DiMJjGoUqW839onW2/vpCQ4I37L+HRbY2wwaIhkvxLBhooVVbw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:36:31 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:36:31 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20255 I thought that I'd respond and update the page with John's corrections... > ---------- > From: jmitc1014@aol.com[SMTP:jmitc1014@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 7:33 PM > To: richwebb@gte.net > Subject: Re: Opinions on strains of bees > > Rich, > You're off to a great start. This is really useful information, but I found > some contradictory assertions. > I hate it when that happens! > In the writeup on Carniolans, it says they have a slow spring buildup, but in the comparision chart below it says they have a rapid spring buildup. Can't be both. Can somebody weigh in on this? > I finally got myself in a position to write this. In the boxed table on Carniolans, the quote is "Good quick colony build up", but the other quote is " but slow spring starters. " You're right. Can't both be correct! The quote from the Bee Culture magazine (page 32, far right hand column, last paragraph) is "The Carniolan race responds to changes in weather. They build up the colony quickly because of the short Springs, and their adaptation to the severe Winters causes them to overwinter in small colonies that require limited food." With that, I'm going to remove the " but slow spring starters." quote... > Also, the writeup on Caucasians says that they have the longest tongue, but I read somewhere that it is the Carniolans that have the longest tongue. I reviewed my files to hunt down the source of my belief: it came from the flyer that Glenn Apiaries sends out to queen buyers. The Glenn people seem to be pretty wise about bees. Their flyer also says Carniolans have "rapid buildup," which I assume means spring buildup. > John > The quote about "longest tongue" comes from the Master Beekeepers Certification program guide, put out by the Washington State Beekeepers association. On page 2 (they don't waste any time on this one!) under desirable characteristics, the second item says: "They have the longest tongue of any race". I've only got these two sources, and I can't really consider what I've read to be an exhaustive discourse on the subject. If anybody has some information that they'd like for me to add, I'd be happy to consider it, especially if it has a nugget of truth to it, and passes peer review in the bee keeping group! Thanks for helping make the page that much better! Rich Webb From orangerose@aol.com Sat Aug 14 09:35:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packing for sale Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Aug 1999 03:51:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990812235140.28023.00000512@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20256 One thing to add to what sounds like a great idea--jellies sealed in this manner (usually with paraffin) are often notoriously difficult to open. To ease opening, you can pour a 1/8" layer, lay a ribbon or strip of fabric across it, then pour another 1/8" layer. You then have a ribbon "tag" to grab onto to pull the wax off. Best of luck! Kelly From orangerose@aol.com Sat Aug 14 09:35:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping-USA south Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Aug 1999 04:03:24 GMT References: <7ovq5l$q3j$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990813000324.28023.00000515@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20257 >They don't know >how to cook seafood though. They boil everything until it's >soggy. You have to come to Maryland where they know how to >steam shrimp and crabs. MMMMM. Missin' the old blue crab feasts we used to have at my grandparent's place on the beach (Delaware). Bushels of crab steamed with Old Bay liberally applied, pounds of shrimp the same way, corn on the cob and fresh butter from the local farmer, ooooh. Dungenes crabs and tiger prawns just don't cut it. >from foggy and c-o-o-o-ld San Francisco, Kelly From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Aug 14 09:35:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: commercial versus hobbyist Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:09:29 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 140 Message-ID: <37b79005.35762620@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990723231822.03572.00000845@ngol01.aol.com> <7nc85p$1abm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20258 Hi, There are some hobbys, where the difference between a hobbyist, and a commercial operator, is more a matter of opportunity, and the eventual acquisition of knowledge, and experience . It seems to me, that beekeeping is definitely NOT a hobby, like model airplanes, or some such, where a product/produce is never the main goal . If I may, perhaps I can introduce a third category, the sideline business . It's more serious than a true hobby, but it admits limitations of time, knowledge, or investment capitol . That's me . I grew up with beekeeping, but as a youth, avoided it . Now, I trip over dad's beekeeping supplies every so often, and eventually succumb to the "Red Green"(PBS show) temptation to put it back into use . I wish there was a list of "Avoid these temptations", but, so-far I haven't found it . Still, a small beekeeper is producing honey . Eating it, and/or selling it, he's practical in his considerations, and that defines commercial to me . Though perhaps, not Professional . KEN . On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:34:12 -0500, "busybee" wrote: >Hi Al - > >In the short time that I have been reading and posting here, I have formed a >similar conclusion. > >IMO - The difference between a commercial and a hobbiest-- > >C - Not as concerned with individual hive performance because law of >averages. A C looks at the big picture. I.E. the thread a few weeks ago >about interchanging frames in within brood nests...someone said it sounded >like a recipe for spreading disease...quite frankly...we DO interchange >brood frames from hive to hive if it is necessary. If disease is found in >one hive it will most likely be found in more than just that one. I would >venture to say that most C people treat a yard the way hobbiest treat a >hive. > >C's for the most part do Not use queen excluders (a.k.a. honey >excluder)...waste of time. A C makes his living on the amount of honey >produced. A C relies on the packer to polish the honey. This does not mean >a C does not care about the quality of his honey...we produce a premium >grade honey. I know that in our business it is a nice feeling to recieve >comments and incentives back (from Sioux Honey Association) that we have >been graded out with flying colors! A 1 cent bonus could mean a difference >of a $1,000. I would not be able to sleep at night either if I produced >less than my best for my family and my honey consumer. From the vibes I'm >picking up from this ng...most H's think C's don't care about quality (in >product and practices) is definately NOT true! H's and C's just have >different goals and practices vary widely from keeper to keeper. > >Hobbiest and commercials do need each other! I've said it before...even if >you have one hive or thousands...it is in the best interest to all to attend >meetings to stay on top of things as far as industry news! > > > > >Jajwuth wrote in message <19990723231822.03572.00000845@ngol01.aol.com>... >>When I read the postings I try to tell whether they are from a hobbyist or >a >>commercial beekeeper. My guess is that the postings that are more concise >and >>straight forward are from the commercial operators. I also suspect that the >>commercial operators are less fizzled by alternative forms of beekeeping. >>Hobbyists tend to go into more book read jargon and science stuff. I >myself >>like the straight shooting no b.s. type of replies. Both types are >interesting. >> >>Al >> > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Aug 14 09:35:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inner cover ? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:09:28 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <37b48c4f.34812818@news2.i-link-2.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20259 HI, Would there be any advantage to putting an inner cover between brood boxes in the Winter, to minimize drafts ? KEN . From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Aug 14 09:35:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PLanning for Spring : Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:09:27 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <37b38a72.34335408@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990609182332.01580.00001289@ng-ca1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20260 Hi, So far, We're looking to have a late, rainy, and cold summer, followed by an early fall . What plans should we be making . What dates on Sept-June calendar should we be marking . LIke that cute ball of bees, I saw playing on the bottom of my brood box, this early April . Thank-you, KEn . From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Aug 14 09:35:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalkbrood Treatment Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:09:29 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37b68f3e.35563620@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7na633$ajp$1@calais.pt.lu> <7njfko$ffd$3@front1.grolier.fr> <37a17375.7193468@news.cidial.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20261 Hi, Planitary whodunnits ? Ken . On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:34:00 GMT, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) wrote: >Gilles Rassel in France said: > >>Bonjour, >>Here in France, > >Hello, Gilles, is Steve Tabor still living over there? I don't get the >ABJ where he used to (or still does) write a feature. > >I think it's a good idea to add your planetary coordinates to your post, >I'll do it too. > >34.94N X 101.69W. (Texas Panhandle) > >C.K. > From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Aug 14 09:35:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping-USA south Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <14006-37B41076-10@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990813000324.28023.00000515@ng-ck1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAo7AUxsF1tt1yA+8kYs6KzCtPLloCFGmYhHFuQQpjyj3mjlYV/qqskLke Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20262 I sure wish you all would go back up North, or where ever, so I could get to those real good places to eat with out getting run over by some yank on the high way and not have to wait an hour to get in one of those great sea food places on our coast lined with yanks waiting to get in. It sure most tast bad to them for so many to pay far too much to get in and eat. BUD; ALL IN FUN BUT TRUE From riverockt@aol.com Sat Aug 14 09:35:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying products from the hive Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Aug 1999 14:18:14 GMT References: <7ovp6s$1hei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990813101814.01084.00000326@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20263 Its easier to drop the honey off at the buyer and leave with your money. Let someone else do the marketing. Its the same with many other types of farming and skills. Marketing is a technique ( not always hard) but time consuming. Then theres the fact of feeding the family while waiting for the inflow of money. Its one of those catch 22's From hrogers@arkansas.net Sat Aug 14 09:35:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Too Dry Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 06:22:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7p0dib$ci8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990810105031.21246.00000069@ng-fk1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.94 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 13 06:22:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.94 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20264 jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) wrote: should I feed them to get them to draw the foundation out? > Jim ****************************************************************** --- Hi, Jim -- I would feed them for a couple of reasons: 1. As a beginning keeper, you can always use the drawn comb. 2. More importantly, one super of winter stores for a strong colony may not be enough. And by the way -- I do not use deep hive bodies. I use medium supers >from top to bottom. So I will feed liberally any time I need to do so to get them to draw comb for me, then I can use it for either brood (new swarm, etc) or for extracted honey. All frames and all boxes are interchangeable. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ***************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Sat Aug 14 09:35:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!203.24.245.65.MISMATCH!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PESTICIDES-what can we do? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:52:50 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 64 Message-ID: <934530664.894352@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <37B346AF.85CA1D76@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-16.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20265 It is my understanding of the relevant law in australia that most if not all insecticides, commercial,domestic and agricultural have a specific warning against spraying bees and in many cases even set out the times of day that the spray can be used. The directions and instructions on the label are legally binding and any non compliance is actionable. In fact in my home state a pest control person must have a specific permit from the Agriculture Dept to spray bees. Barry peter dillon wrote in message news:37B346AF.85CA1D76@club-internet.fr... > Hello World, > > It appears to me that there are more and more problems associated with > pesticides when allied to bee damage. > > What can we as a globally connected group do? > > Regarding the activities of pesticides/herbicides, > 1.What is the global loss to beekeepers in revenue( honey, other bee > products). > 2.What is the global loss to beekeepers when having to replace hives, > frames etc. > 3.What is the global loss in the Agricultural domain from the pre > mentioned losses? > > These questions may be/ may not be calculated- but what is sure is that > there is a great loss and inconvenience to both sides. > > What are the factors in place that should ensure that problems do not > occur? > > It appears to me that Agricultural/ Chemical/ Governmental organisations > are not really aware of the consequences of bee loss, or they don't > care! - when the actualities are looked at. BUT at the same time such > bodies publicly state that they DO care.The difference between what is > stated and what is actually happening is worlds apart. > > WHY? > > To me it seems that the controls and controlling agencies are not strong > enough. > If they are not strong enough or not following the regulations- who's > fault? > > I suggest that pesticides/Herbicides that are put foreword for > commercial use must in the future have undergo tests(wether or not they > are liable to come into direct or indirect contact with bees, as this > one of the loopholes used by producers of substances to get out of > testing product toxicity on bees) > The tests must be undertaken by wholly independent laboratories and > their results submitted to a global commission who with the aid of 5 > sub-committees( covering the 5 continents). This commission would then > recommend or not on the use of the proposed product. > It would then be easy to see if National governments are representing > the people who put them in place, or if that are bending to the lobby > power of the inter-national companies. > > PIPE DREAMING OR POSSIBILITY? > Any thoughts on how to advance with this problem are welcome > > Peter. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Aug 14 09:35:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting time Date: 13 Aug 1999 18:27:03 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7p1o1n$jj8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 934568823 000 192.168.254.73 (13 Aug 1999 18:27:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 1999 18:27:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20266 okay, i am starting to get in a panic mode. i live in detroit, mi. would it be possible to leave the supers on for a few more weeks? it looks like a lot of bees, seems like they would need the room, money is getting really tight, i cant afford to buy the medicine until at least a couple of weeks, not to mention extra deep bodies and supers, books, foundation, frame savers, nails, mouse guards...it really starting to add up. how am getting really nervous about trying to get all of those bees off the supers. would it be worthwhile to get this bee go stuff? can a do the three supers over a number of days? i need to plant buckwheat in my yard as a cover crop, if it blooms in the next few weeks, will the bees have someplace to put the nectar if i take the supers off? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Aug 14 09:35:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Don't Make My Mistake !! Date: 13 Aug 1999 17:44:19 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7p1lhj$5ihg$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7o8bn6$jns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 934566259 000 192.168.254.73 (13 Aug 1999 17:44:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 1999 17:44:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20267 jeez, what are you going to do? >You guessed it. The young queen had not mated. My job of clip/mark was >fine. She looks plump and beautiful (can queens be called buxom?) >She is laying prolifically and good pattern --- all drone brood. >They are packed together so tightly in the worker cells that many of >them are trapped and can not get out. > >Patience, Patience, Patience. > > Pete From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Aug 14 09:35:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble (or Humble) Bees Date: 13 Aug 1999 17:57:30 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7p1maa$8qu6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7ot34i$qfk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 934567050 000 192.168.254.73 (13 Aug 1999 17:57:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 1999 17:57:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20268 i have perennials and i have always have lots of bumbles, but now i have tons of them. but dont know anything else about them. do you have any files of info you can share on them? From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 14 09:35:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble (or Humble) Bees Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:54:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7p1pnf$rrs$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ot34i$qfk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7p1maa$8qu6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-56.palladium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 934570543 28540 62.136.22.184 (13 Aug 1999 18:55:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 1999 18:55:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20269 Shelley Corbin wrote in message news:7p1maa$8qu6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com... > i have perennials and i have always have lots of bumbles, but now i have > tons of them. but dont know anything else about them. do you have any > files of info you can share on them? There are books. Contact Northern Bee Books at jeremy@recordermail.demon.co.uk Jeremy is an international book puclisher and dealer. Mary > From texasdrone@cs.com Sat Aug 14 09:35:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.cs.com!audrey01.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.com (TexasDrone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping-USA south Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 13 Aug 1999 22:54:50 GMT References: <19990812170233.14672.00000113@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <19990813185450.27935.00000486@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20270 >How long is the beekeeping season in the American South. I'm thinking of >Texas and Louisiana. Here in Southeast Texas the main summer honeyflow is from around May 15 and lasts about six weeks. The Honey is mainly chinese tallow. The fall flow starts around september 15 and is Goldenrod, but generally is not enough to take off just to winter them. The climate year round is excellent for raising and keeping bees. We usually average 200lbs. plus honey per hive off the summer flow. From corncob@nospam.techline.com Sat Aug 14 09:35:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Corncob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying Workers Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:31:16 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20271 Hi All, I suspect I have laying workers in one of my hives. Many small drones and capped drone cells. The hive was still strong so I requeened. Can I expect the laying workers to die off in a few weeks or will I need to find and remove them. Thanks. Kyle -- Jen & Kyle Phillips corncob@techline.com From honeybs@radix.net Sat Aug 14 09:35:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner cover ? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:33:31 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7p3baq$457$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37b48c4f.34812818@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20272 stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) wrote: >HI, > Would there be any advantage to >putting an inner cover between >brood boxes in the Winter, >to minimize drafts ? >KEN . No. Drafts don't kill bees, beekeepers do. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From sorry@no.spam Sun Aug 15 16:55:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queenless?? Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <8njt3.5340$Rh.280498@typ11.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.180.50.171 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 934658628 216.180.50.171 (Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:23:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:23:48 EDT Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:26:33 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20273 Hi folks, This is my first year beekeeping, so I need a little basic advice. I have two hives, both of which have gotten very strong since I started them up in June. I checked them a week ago & they both seemed pretty crowded, so I made up my mind to add another hive body to each of them, which I did today. I inspected both hives last week and also this week before I added the hive bodies. One hive had plenty of capped brood, some honey, and a good number of fresh eggs & developing larvae. This is the weaker of the two hives; it has a lot of bees, but they're still working on drawing out the last frame of comb. The other hive, the stronger of the two, was packed with bees last week and seemed just as full this week. All the comb has been fully drawn for a couple of weeks in this hive. Last week I had to look through several frames to find any eggs, but finally did. This week, I looked through all but a couple of the frames & only found a few eggs on one of the frames. There were some larvae at various stages of development & plenty of capped brood. Since I was only able to find a few eggs, I'm concerned that this hive might be queenless & I might have laying workers. Or maybe the queen has almost stopped laying because they're so crowded & will pick back up since I put the new hive body on. How can I tell for sure if the hive is queenless? Is it too late in the season to requeen (I live in Alabama) & if not, how much will this hurt this hive's chances of making it thru the winter? Thanks for the advice, Rodney -------------------------- Rodney Isom Arab, AL **Please post replies to group** From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Aug 15 16:55:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:25:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: To: Corncob X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 14 Aug 1999 17:29:39 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Aug 14 11:35:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust195.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37B5A677.651@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20274 If the new queen took, the layers will quit or be killed, I guess. I had the problen this year and the new gal fixed it. Don in NC From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sun Aug 15 16:55:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Eclipse Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:21:59 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7p3jo8$r6f$1@gxsn.com> References: <7ovbjj$80t$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.215.102 X-Trace: 934629960 1NNUCNF1GD766C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20275 Mary Fisher wrote in message <7ovbjj$80t$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... Now let me tell you about the effects the eclipse had on my bees..........oops. From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 15 16:55:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:17:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7p4mj1$v0c$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-114.levothyroxine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 934665633 31756 62.136.76.114 (14 Aug 1999 21:20:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Aug 1999 21:20:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20276 Corncob wrote in message news:rr9hvdktkrl17@corp.supernews.com... > Hi All, > > I suspect I have laying workers in one of my hives. Many small drones and > capped drone cells. The hive was still strong so I requeened. Can I expect > the laying workers to die off in a few weeks or will I need to find and > remove them. Thanks. > > Kyle > > -- > Jen & Kyle Phillips > corncob@techline.com > >In my experience, a hive with laying workers are past their 'sell by date'. Best thing is to unite them with a strong colony as it is very rare for them to accept re-queening. It may be a strong stock at the moment, but it will most probably dwindle away to nothing. Graham From muskokie@aol.com Sun Aug 15 16:55:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: muskokie@aol.com (MUSKOKIE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Aug 1999 22:21:50 GMT References: <01bee4a3$bae00bc0$1ca24cc6@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990814182150.24574.00000050@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20277 >If it's just cattle, you might want to put each hive in the middle of a >wooden pallet as the cattle don't like stepping on them and will usually >leave them alone. Hey Ernie, I hadn't thought about putting the hives on a pallet, sounds like a good idea. We don't have any cows in our pasture, however, we do have chickens, ducks, goats, and a pig. I thought that I would probably enclose an area about 20 x 20 in 4' tall welded wire fence. Does anybody know of any problems have bees in the same vicinity as goats? How about chickens? I really don't know what to expect when all these animals are grouped together. Thanks, Nathan From tim_jk@my-deja.com Sun Aug 15 16:55:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: tim_jk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Excluders? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:20:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7p4q32$9s3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.166 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 14 22:20:25 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.166 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtim_jk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20278 Is there a prefererence for types of queen excluders? My bees still seem to be avoiding mine so I just pulled the thing out. The second honey super I added after I put the excluder back in hadn't been touched. Brood boxes and burr comb were packed with honey. I hear some people don't use one at all and still have good results. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Aug 15 16:55:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless?? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:46:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7p5667$hdn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8njt3.5340$Rh.280498@typ11.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.87 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 15 01:46:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.87 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20279 "Rodney Isom" wrote: this hive might be queenless & I might have laying workers. Or maybe the queen has almost stopped laying because they're so crowded & will pick back up since I put the new hive body on. How can I tell for sure if the hive is queenless? Is it too late in the season to requeen (I live in Alabama) & if not, how much will this hurt this hive's chances of making it thru the winter? > > Thanks for the advice, > > Rodney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Rodney -- It sounds like the queen has slowed down because of coming toward the end of the season (and maybe the lack of rainfall to produce a honey flow). Laying workers do not develop quickly even after the loss of a queen. A lot of their eggs are put several to a cell with most attached to side of the cell instead of the bottom. It is not too late to requeen, but It does not sound like it is a queenless colony. You might start feeding sugar syrup to simulate a flow and see if she picks up in laying. lYou still have time to determine whether the queen is failing in her egg laying and give them a new one if she is a poor one. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------------------- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 15 16:55:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone ever see this? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:13:05 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7p57hm$16hk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-99.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934682998 39476 209.130.165.99 (15 Aug 1999 02:09:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 1999 02:09:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20280 Today I saw a drone with white eyes! Anyone know what may cause this or has seen this before? --Busybee From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Aug 15 16:55:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Don't Make My Mistake !! Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 02:02:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7p5732$i2t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7o8bn6$jns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7p1lhj$5ihg$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.87 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 15 02:02:14 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.87 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20281 (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > jeez, what are you going to do? ********************************************* Hi, Shelley -- I had saved an undesirable queen from a salvaged colony. I had put her in a nuc just in case of an emergency problem. I added this nuc to the problem hive after killing the poor soul I had done so dirty ! The drone layer laid such a good pattern of drone eggs in worker cells that the drones can not get out of the cells. I had not seen this happen before. A couple of times I have removed many of the trapped drones with the tip of a knife blade -- just to give the bees some help in clean-up. But now it is not a strong colony. If I can not build it up by late fall, I'll unite it with another colony. Pete PS - This is not the first beekeeping mistake I have made, and I hope it will not be the last. When we make no more mistakes, we are done for ! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ***************************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From miel@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 15 16:55:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Eclipse Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:46:16 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <37B629F8.150B@ix.netcom.com> References: <7ovbjj$80t$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7p3jo8$r6f$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ali-ca77-64.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 14 9:49:31 PM CDT 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) To: Christopher Dainton Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20282 Christopher Dainton wrote: > > Mary Fisher wrote in message <7ovbjj$80t$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... > > Now let me tell you about the effects the eclipse had on my > bees..........oops. I'd be most curious to know if anyone in Western Europe directly observed a change in their bees during the eclipse. A cousin of mine in northern London, standing in his garden, said the bees "disappeared". Could it have been that he just didn't see them? Vivian in California From dukesunflo@aol.comQDippyDo Sun Aug 15 16:55:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dukesunflo@aol.comQDippyDo (DukeSunflo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stung 23 times, need help. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 1999 05:47:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20283 I was mowing the grass today and noticed a burning sensation in my legs. I suddenly found myself surrounded by bees. I ran away from where I was and finally escaped, but received 23 painful stings (23 I could see immediately, anyway). These appeared to be bees (they left their stingers in me when they pulled away) but they were brighter yellow than your average honey bee. They came from a hole in the ground not far from a tree root. Since I've never heard of swarms of honey bees attacking, I wonder if anybody could tell me if this is unusual or perhaps another strain of bees. I live in Kentucky. Visit WinDough And Win $10,000 And MORE While You Work Or Surf! ITS FREE AND EASY From corncob@nospam.techline.com Sun Aug 15 16:55:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Corncob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:13:27 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20284 Thanks Don and Graham, I'll give the new queen some time and see if she can bring 'em back. If not, I'll combine it with a stronger hive. Thanks again for your help. Kyle _________________ Jen & Kyle Phillips corncob@techline.com From mister-t@zzclinic.net Sun Aug 15 16:55:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37B69D44.FC35B273@zzclinic.net> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 06:58:12 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: DukeSunflo@zzclinic.net Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. References: <19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p1-57.clinic.net X-Trace: 15 Aug 1999 06:55:26 EST, d-p1-57.clinic.net Lines: 24 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.156.97.247!News.Destek.net!d-p1-57.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20285 Sounds like yellow jackets. Classic attack. Happened to me. Same sensation, more burning than a bee sting. For the first moments I thought they were bees, but my bees do not sting like they did. Actually not as bad as a bee sting. It might look like the stinger is there but it is not. The stinger will have the poison sack attached. The stings I got had black marks in the center but no stinger. Bill T DukeSunflo wrote: > > I was mowing the grass today and noticed a burning sensation in my legs. I > suddenly found myself surrounded by bees. I ran away from where I was and > finally escaped, but received 23 painful stings (23 I could see immediately, > anyway). These appeared to be bees (they left their stingers in me when they > pulled away) but they were brighter yellow than your average honey bee. They > came from a hole in the ground not far from a tree root. Since I've never > heard of swarms of honey bees attacking, I wonder if anybody could tell me if > this is unusual or perhaps another strain of bees. I live in Kentucky. > Visit WinDough > And Win $10,000 And MORE While You Work Or Surf! ITS FREE AND EASY -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From dpergram@ameritech.net Sun Aug 15 16:55:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ameritech.net!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37B657FD.180F5848@ameritech.net> From: Cousin Doug X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-AIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Bumble Bee Removal. References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oq8b8$1ro$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oqivo$1mv$3@news1.Radix.Net> <7osucv$mv0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:02:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.179.168.32 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 934697736 199.179.168.32 (Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:15:36 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:15:36 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20286 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:160 How can you get rid of bumble bees? Live in an apartment building that has some that are taking over (dropping out of light fixtures, crawling out of openings in ceilings, etc.) Thanks, Cousin ("I didn't think a fat man could move so fast") Doug From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 15 16:55:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Eclipse Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:54:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7p6nua$b75$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ovbjj$80t$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7p3jo8$r6f$1@gxsn.com> <37B629F8.150B@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 934732554 11493 62.136.93.137 (15 Aug 1999 15:55:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 1999 15:55:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20287 > I'd be most curious to know if anyone in Western Europe directly observed > a change in their bees during the eclipse. A cousin of mine in northern > London, standing in his garden, said the bees "disappeared". Could it > have been that he just didn't see them? Perhaps he was blinded by the sun, perhaps it was so cloudy and cold that they didn't go out, perhaps they'd gone to Cornwall to watch the e*****e. My bees at >95%, carried on as normal, so did the birds and dogs and cats and hens and people mostly. We're a dour lot in Yorkshire. Mary. In Yorkshire From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 15 16:55:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble Bee Removal. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:57:51 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7p6o3p$bc4$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oq8b8$1ro$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oqivo$1mv$3@news1.Radix.Net> <7osucv$mv0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37B657FD.180F5848@ameritech.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 934732729 11652 62.136.93.137 (15 Aug 1999 15:58:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 1999 15:58:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20288 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:161 Cousin Doug wrote in message news:37B657FD.180F5848@ameritech.net... > How can you get rid of bumble bees? > > Live in an apartment building that has some that are taking over > (dropping out of light fixtures, crawling out of openings in ceilings, > etc.) Seal the openings. They won't be there long. You can only get rid of them by killing them and you wouldn't want to do that. 'Taking over' is a little hyperbolic, isn't it? 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RESEARCH SHOWS GENE-MODIFIED PLANTS CAN PRODUCE UNINTENDED EFFECTS 23) NEW EUROPEAN COMMISSION MULLS GMO SHAKE-UP 24) MONSANTO TO SELL STONEVILLE BUSINESS ----------------------------------------- @groEnlaces, la sección de enlaces Agrícolas y Ganaderos clasificados por Sectores e Idiomas ha ampliado en 152 el número de estos, poniendo a tu disposición actualmente 1.375 enlaces de los cuales 608 son en nuestro idioma. From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Sun Aug 15 16:55:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!203.24.245.65.MISMATCH!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner cover ? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:40:12 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 40 Message-ID: <934702789.779120@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <37b48c4f.34812818@news2.i-link-2.net> <7p3baq$457$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-45.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20290 This would be the wrong thing to do, if you have brood in two boxes then the bees will endevour to keep the brood at the correct temp by packing themselves around the brood. If you can imagine a football type shape covering all the brood then this is what the bees do, if you spilt the brood into two parts then you are making it too hard for the bees to control the temperature and you'll probably kill or at least seriously weaken that hive. What you can do to reduce draughts is to reduce the hive entrance size to about 15mm x 10mm, this allows the bees to enter and exit the hive and reduces the amount of wind, also you can paint the lids of the hives a dark colour to make best use of any winter sunshine, but remember you have to repaint them a light colour when it warms up. Barry honeybs wrote in message news:7p3baq$457$3@news1.Radix.Net... > stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) wrote: > > >HI, > > > Would there be any advantage to > >putting an inner cover between > >brood boxes in the Winter, > >to minimize drafts ? > > >KEN . > > No. Drafts don't kill bees, beekeepers do. > > Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From yu1ua@EUnet.yu Sun Aug 15 16:55:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!EUnet.yu!not-for-mail From: "ivan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how to invert sugar syrup ? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:32:56 +0200 Organization: Public news server of EUnet Yugoslavia Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7p5vgj$bgu$1@SOLAIR2.EUnet.yu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-3.0.eunet.yu X-Trace: SOLAIR2.EUnet.yu 934707539 11806 213.240.3.0 (15 Aug 1999 08:58:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@EUnet.yu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 1999 08:58:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20291 Does anyone know how to invert sugar syrup ? If you have any suggestions for me I would appreciate it. Ivan From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 15 16:55:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how to invert sugar syrup ? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:40:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7p738p$r99$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7p5vgj$bgu$1@SOLAIR2.EUnet.yu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20292 "ivan" wrote: >Does anyone know how to invert sugar syrup ? >If you have any suggestions for me I would appreciate it. >Ivan Add invertase. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From dukesunflo@aol.comQDippyDo Sun Aug 15 16:55:48 EDT 1999 Article: 20293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dukesunflo@aol.comQDippyDo (DukeSunflo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 1999 19:25:58 GMT References: <37B69D44.FC35B273@zzclinic.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990815152558.19986.00000432@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20293 They are living near a root in the ground. I had about seven stingers in me. They looked like a brown tiny thorn with some tissue of some sort attached to the back. The stings themselves hurt like crazy for most of the day. They just itch right now. Thanks for the help. Visit WinDough And Win $10,000 And MORE While You Work Or Surf! ITS FREE AND EASY From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Mon Aug 16 06:17:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Opinions on strains of bees Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:43:49 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37AE1734.B7D74FF4@gte.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 15 Aug 1999 19:39:52 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Aug 15 12:45:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 28 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp326.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37b71154.19061120@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20294 Rich Webb wrote: >...I compiled the information into a web page table so that >everyone could see what I've produced. The page is located at: >http://home1.gte.net/richwebb/beestrain.htm I like the summary table towards the bottom. Might be good to add some interpretive data. For instance, in the American south, a slow spring build up is generally GOOD, while in the north the same trait is usually BAD. Also, it is practically impossible to maintain hybrids of any kind (Midnight, Buckfast, Starline) in the bee yard due to supersedure and swarming. In addition to the advantages of the Italian that you listed, they can build huge (20 lb+) colonies that produce very large honey crops. On the downside, the Italian bees has a tendency to drift from colony to colony. Also, you mention in a table that robbing spreads disease, and even if this is true (Is there reliable evidence?), it is an insignificant selection criteria. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 16 06:17:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Don't Make My Mistake !! Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:27:46 +0100 Organization: at home Distribution: world Message-ID: <+hthyCAi1et3EwIR@gandboss.demon.co.uk> References: <7o8bn6$jns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7p1lhj$5ihg$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 934711331 nnrp-06:28893 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 49 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20295 Well, How about starting a very small and doomed monastery for bees. Unless you are proficient at AI, the games up and combining with another Queen-right colony is the easiest course of action. The lesson is the most valuable thing here and well done for the posting. G In article <7p1lhj$5ihg$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, Shelley Corbin writes >jeez, what are you going to do? > > > > > >>You guessed it. The young queen had not mated. My job of clip/mark >was >>fine. She looks plump and beautiful (can queens be called buxom?) >>She is laying prolifically and good pattern --- all drone brood. >>They are packed together so tightly in the worker cells that many of >>them are trapped and can not get out. >> >>Patience, Patience, Patience. >> >> Pete > Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From honeybs@radix.net Mon Aug 16 06:17:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone ever see this? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:17:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7p65ot$920$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7p57hm$16hk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20296 "busybee" wrote: >Today I saw a drone with white eyes! Anyone know what may cause this or has >seen this before? >--Busybee Mutations are very rare. They occur about one in 10,000,000 or 100,000,000. Mutations usually show up in the drones because they are haploid. Read Chapter 3 (Visible Mutants) in Bee Genetics and Breeding; Edited by Thomas Rinderer. Every beekeeper should have this book in their library. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From larrylwill@*REMOVETHIS*fcbl.net Mon Aug 16 06:17:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa infestation Question Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:13:56 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7p75gt$r4r$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.53 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20297 I couldn't find how to make a varroa trap so I bought one which consisted of a screen over a plastic bottom board insert just smaller than the bottom board. I put it in the hive as directed and added 2 apstan strips last Sunday, today I removed it to count the mites. No easy task. I divided the board into 4 equal parts and counted about 200 mites per section, I would estimate 400-500 mites. I suspect that this is a bad infestation, I am leaving the Apstan in. Question, can the bees servive this? or is the hive a goner? The hive appears strong. Two Brood boxes. only 1 hive. Lots of brood and bees, although I did notice some deformed wings. Thanks Larry From timmarks@iquest.net Mon Aug 16 06:17:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!remarQ60!supernews.com!remarQ.com!iquest!news1.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Tim Marks" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bees in my exterior house wall Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:50:00 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.43.56.213 X-Trace: news1.iquest.net 934749836 209.43.56.213 (Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:43:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:43:56 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20298 I just noticed that I have honey bees in the exterior wall of my house. I don't know how long they've been there. I bought this house only a few months back. How can I get rid of the bees? Thanks, Tim From griffes@my-deja.com Mon Aug 16 06:17:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Country Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Opinions on strains of bees Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:56:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7p6de4$9fc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37AE1734.B7D74FF4@gte.net> <19990808223344.25203.00008747@ng-cr1.aol.com> <37B3848A.CB917608@gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.93.23.95 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 15 12:56:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.93.23.95 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDgriffes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20299 In article <37B3848A.CB917608@gte.net>, Rich Webb wrote: >>. Can somebody weigh in on this? Okay I finally got a chance to check in so here goes. > I finally got myself in a position to write this. In the boxed table > on Carniolans, the quote is "Good quick colony build up", but the other quote > is " but slow spring starters. " You're right. Can't both be correct! But alas both can be correct at the same time. What it means is that they wait to buildup later (buildup timing) and then when they start they explode (buildup speed). Thus both are correct and are not contradictory. Of course with selection you can change the buildup timing (which is why locally selected strains can perform better via better timing for local area winters and flows). In fact you can shift buildup timing later by a month with about two to four years worth of Artificial Insemination (AI) if you start with early builders. You can also select for cluster size and change that just as Sue Cobey has done with New World Carniolan which now winters with large cluster size and has earlier along with vigorous buildup. Variations within strains and races exist and can be selected toward being the point. Realize though that here in the USA it is more accurate to speak of Carniolan-type bees or Italian-type bees or Caucausian-type bees or German-type bees as none are likely to be pure for the race they represent (particularly if maintained via natural mating = NM) due to biological realities that were not understood when they were brought into USA and/or the colonies it descended from over two centuries ago. -- Jack Griffes Coordinator of the Honeybee Improvement Program (HIP) Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From adameden@ipa.net Mon Aug 16 06:17:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clip Art & Bumble Bees Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:04:07 -0500 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7p6e1b$jpj$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-48.jopl.ipa.net X-Trace: news.ipa.net 934722411 20275 208.149.43.48 (15 Aug 1999 13:06:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipa.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 1999 13:06:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20300 I'm looking for some free bee keeping clip art to download. Does anyone know a good site? A good place for bumble bee info is www.knoxcellars.com They retail misc. bee stuff (not honey bee) and offer a book (Humblebee Bumblebee) and a Humble Bumble House. From jpa555@aol.com Mon Aug 16 06:17:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 1999 13:43:21 GMT References: <7p4q32$9s3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990815094321.00163.00000125@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20301 I had the same thing happen I originally had put the queen excluders on I have the galvanize excluders the bees did not want to go through them so I pulled them out. I was thinking that because it was the first year that the bees are bigger and they didn't fit through that easy specially with a full load. My honey supers are doing fine with out them the queen hasn't laid in them at all so next year I'll try them again when the bees will be a little smaller... Jim From cde049@airmail.net Mon Aug 16 06:17:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:10:22 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 19 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7p6gl5$daj@library1.airnews.net> References: <01bee4a3$bae00bc0$1ca24cc6@default> <19990814182150.24574.00000050@ng-ch1.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Aug 15 08:51:33 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !] to expect when all these animals are grouped together. My bees and chickens share the same waterers all though I fixed up a rain gutter with gravel and put a hose going to a 5 gallon bucket where the water is just below the gravel so the bees will not drowned, ( I saw it in a book) the chickens love it the bees will not touch it the bees use the usual chicken founts and my wife's fountain. Oh well. Can't tell if the chickens eat the bees or if the bees sting the chickens but the chicks do a good job of eating the fire ants off the legs to the bee stand. The eggs just look like honey and the honey is as dark as the brown eggs, no other effects are noticeable. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Aug 16 06:17:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees in my exterior house wall Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 1999 21:57:10 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990815175710.09294.00000428@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20303 The best way to do it is to open the wall and clean everything out and then pack the wall with insulation. Other methods tend to be temporary or lead to far worse problems. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Mon Aug 16 06:17:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!203.24.245.65.MISMATCH!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:31:43 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 26 Message-ID: <934702282.701939@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-45.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20304 could they have been a ground wasp, such as the european wasp. Honeybees, apis melifera, as far as I know do not have ground nests, but, many wasps do. Barry DukeSunflo wrote in message news:19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com... > I was mowing the grass today and noticed a burning sensation in my legs. I > suddenly found myself surrounded by bees. I ran away from where I was and > finally escaped, but received 23 painful stings (23 I could see immediately, > anyway). These appeared to be bees (they left their stingers in me when they > pulled away) but they were brighter yellow than your average honey bee. They > came from a hole in the ground not far from a tree root. Since I've never > heard of swarms of honey bees attacking, I wonder if anybody could tell me if > this is unusual or perhaps another strain of bees. I live in Kentucky. > Visit WinDough > And Win $10,000 And MORE While You Work Or Surf! ITS FREE AND EASY From pollinator@aol.comnospam Mon Aug 16 06:17:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Aug 1999 22:22:50 GMT References: <19990815152558.19986.00000432@ng-fa1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990815182250.02538.00000246@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20305 From: dukesunflo@aol.comQDippyDo >They are living near a root in the ground. I had about seven stingers in me. > >They looked like a brown tiny thorn with some tissue of some sort attached to >the back. The stings themselves hurt like crazy for most of the day. They >just itch right now. Thanks for the help. What you describe seems like honeybee stings, though it is a puzzler, since our domestic honeybees don't nest in the ground. Africanized ones sometimes do, in dry areas, but your address doesn't appear to be in the southwest. First go to: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/compare.htm to settle whether they are bees or yellow jackets. If they are bees, are they nesting up inside a stump, and simply exiting at ground level? You may be able to get a beekeeper to drum them out, if you want them removed. If they are yellow jackets, they'll be gone when the weather turns cold. Or you can dump a pail of hot soapy water down their nest hole to kill them. Yellow jackets are beneficial during the summer, because they kill a lot of pest insects. Later on, when they are done raising brood, they get crazed for sugar, and become a royal nuisance, getting into your drink, your garbage can, etc. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From beeguy@earthlink.net Mon Aug 16 06:17:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beeguy@earthlink.net (BeeGuy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Insurance Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:42:49 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Aug 15 16:45:06 1999 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: basement Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust56.tnt14.chi5.da.uu.net X-ELN-Date: 15 Aug 1999 23:42:47 GMT Message-ID: <7p7j9n$s9d$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20306 I just received a letter telling me that my American Beekeeping Federation group insurance would not be renewed brcause the new agent doesn't write policy's for Indiana. Anyother states involved? and Any favorite ideas where to turn to next? From harrisonrw@aol.com Mon Aug 16 06:17:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees in my exterior house wall Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1999 00:51:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990815205118.26440.00000318@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20307 Hi Tim, What you need is a beekeeper who does bee removals. Call your state ag dept they will have a list of beekeepers that do removals. This will cost you some money but it will be done right (my base price is $300 here in CT) Ask for references and a guareentee. Do yourself a favor and do not try to kill them yourself. If they are left alone they will be ok. It is when people try home remedys that they get into trouble. If they have been there for a while you have many pounds of honey in the wall in the honeycomb. The wall will either have to be opened up and the colony removed that way or they will have to be trapped out with the cone method (this takes 6-8 weeks). If you are in the New England area I might be able to find someone for you. I hope this is of some help to you. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Milford, CT removing bees since "86" From dukesunflo@aol.comQDippyDo Wed Aug 18 11:38:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dukesunflo@aol.comQDippyDo (DukeSunflo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1999 02:20:25 GMT References: <19990815182250.02538.00000246@ng-fl1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990815222025.17822.00000728@ng-fo1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20308 I'm wondering if my roll on the ground is what ripped the stingers out. I think they may have been yellow jackets. 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ITS FREE AND EASY From corncob@nospam.techline.com Wed Aug 18 11:38:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!142.231.112.2!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Corncob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:19:50 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <7p4mj1$v0c$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20309 Good call Graham, The new queen didn't take so I combined it with another hive before it was too late. Thanks for your help. Kyle Graham Jones wrote in message news:7p4mj1$v0c$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > In my experience, a hive with laying workers are past their 'sell by date'. > Best thing is to unite them with a strong colony as it is very rare for them > to accept re-queening. It may be a strong stock at the moment, but it will > most probably dwindle away to nothing. > > Graham > > From johnbkpr@aol.com Wed Aug 18 11:38:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: johnbkpr@aol.com (JOHNBKPR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Polariscope for Judging Honey Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1999 10:05:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990816060524.22271.00000738@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20310 Can anyone tell me if their are plans for building a polariscope type box, that you can show the impurities in honey? I thought I had a set, or seen it in a magazine? Can anyone help me? John Norther RI From eric.faucon@infonie.fr Wed Aug 18 11:38:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!isdnet!dt-cegetel!starship!not-for-mail From: "eric.faucon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive loader Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:21:29 +0200 Organization: Infonie Message-ID: <934806729.539810@news2> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.1.5.11 X-Trace: starship.infonie.fr 934806193 18925 10.1.5.11 (16 Aug 1999 12:23:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infonie.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 1999 12:23:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cache-Post-Path: news2!unknown@195.242.114.178 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20311 I'm working for a beekeeper regional association and we are looking to buy hives loaders to move our hives. can you help us? thank you eric.faucon@infonie.fr From repbees@my-deja.com Wed Aug 18 11:38:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Finding the Queen Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:39:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7p94a6$326$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.192.159 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 16 13:39:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 4.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.192.159 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20312 I am fairly new to beekeeping- and have a lot of difficulty in finding the queen among all the rest in the colony. Any suggestions that might help please? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From shuston@riverace.com Wed Aug 18 11:38:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding the Queen Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:34:54 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 29 Message-ID: <37B8218E.5247F528@riverace.com> References: <7p94a6$326$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 2fgUJnirmsHkGp06WTvmxJ7jdNEFryZSjIzwttjAaZM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 1999 14:34:56 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20313 repbees@my-deja.com wrote: > > I am fairly new to beekeeping- and have a lot of difficulty in finding > the queen among all the rest in the colony. Any suggestions that might > help please? I'm fairly new too - this is my first year. I bought marked queens, so it's easier to look for the big green dot ;-) It just takes some practice - look at some pictures in a good bee book to burn the impression into your brain, then go to the hive. - Try looking in the afternoon when more of the bees are out in the field - Look in the middle frames first - if any are packed with honey, ignore those, at least at first. - She'll probably be on frames with open brood comb, or new eggs. - She may have her abdomen backed into a cell - if so, it's hard to see her. - Look slowly. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From h.tait@home.com Wed Aug 18 11:38:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990815182250.02538.00000246@ng-fl1.aol.com> <19990815222025.17822.00000728@ng-fo1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:47:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 934793250 24.65.132.209 (Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:47:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:47:30 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20314 > I'm wondering if my roll on the ground is what ripped the stingers out. I > think they may have been yellow jackets. > > Yellow jacket stingers are not barbed, you described a beesting. Yellow jackets stay attached to their stinger, even when crushed. Beestings leave a reddish brown thorn, and they have a white bulb type tissue attached. The bulb tissue contracts to dig in deeper and keep pumping additional poison. Probably honey or bumblebees nesting in the stump as opposed to yellowjackets. hugh From ernie@nospamwhro.net Wed Aug 18 11:38:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Insurance Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7p7j9n$s9d$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01bee7c6$f4a5ccc0$10a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 13 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:10:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.16 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 934794630 198.76.162.16 (Mon, 16 Aug 1999 05:10:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 05:10:30 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20315 I use Farm Bureau here in VA. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > I just received a letter telling me that my American Beekeeping Federation > group insurance would not be renewed brcause the new agent doesn't write > policy's for Indiana. > Anyother states involved? and Any favorite ideas where to turn to next? From adamf@radix.net Wed Aug 18 11:38:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: 16 Aug 1999 13:19:22 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37B7FBBA.AF67D986@rl.ac.uk.no.spam.please.we.are.british> <934814460.11944.0.nnrp-04.9e98177a@news.demon.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:166885 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:163 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20316 In article <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net>, Joel B Levin wrote: >In <934814460.11944.0.nnrp-04.9e98177a@news.demon.co.uk>, > "Jethro" wrote: >:There is no real need to kill a bee. That's why I got upset. If I could have >:safely caught it and released it I would have. But I didn't like the idea of >:my son getting stung. It's bad enough an adult being stung by a bee, let >:alone a small child ... > >Bees are not individuals, really; they're short lived members of a huge >collective, which in a sense is the real "creature" which gathers food, >reproduces, survives. Individual bees don't really matter all that much. How do you know this? From what selections frame of reference are you coming from? If bees aren't individuals, why then do laying workers lay when a queen and brood's pheromonal influence is not present? The "Super Organism" concept falls in and out of favor over the years. Now a pluralistic view of bees and bees-in-a-hive-as-a-unit is more acceptable: bees are individuals and also are group units. :-) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From nono@nono.com Wed Aug 18 11:38:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gate.bCandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 32 Message-ID: <44Xt3.502$_b.28930@news21b.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.90 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 934821248 216.98.69.90 (Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:34:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:34:08 EDT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:34:08 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20317 It sounds exactly like yellow jackets to me except for the part about leaving a stinger behind. Did you physically remove these stingers and examine them? I find jellow jacket stings to be very painful compared to honey bee stings. If the bees are bright yellow, you got yellow jackets. John R, In article <19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com>, dukesunflo@aol.comQDippyDo says... > >I was mowing the grass today and noticed a burning sensation in my legs. I >suddenly found myself surrounded by bees. I ran away from where I was and >finally escaped, but received 23 painful stings (23 I could see immediately, >anyway). These appeared to be bees (they left their stingers in me when they >pulled away) but they were brighter yellow than your average honey bee. They >came from a hole in the ground not far from a tree root. Since I've never >heard of swarms of honey bees attacking, I wonder if anybody could tell me if >this is unusual or perhaps another strain of bees. I live in Kentucky. >Visit WinDough >And Win $10,000 And MORE While You Work Or Surf! ITS FREE AND EASY From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Aug 18 11:39:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding the Queen Lines: 60 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1999 15:54:43 GMT References: <7p94a6$326$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990816115443.03824.00000774@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20318 From: repbees@my-deja.com >I am fairly new to beekeeping- and have a lot of difficulty in finding >the queen among all the rest in the colony. Any suggestions that might >help please? Practice. Having said that, there are days when I can't find them either, and I'd hesitate to estimate how many tens of thousands I've found..... Try to do it on a good day, when lots of bees are out foraging. Find the frames where she has been most recently - eggs, or very young brood are your tipoff. Use smoke very sparingly, because you can get the bees, including the queen, running. If the queen is disrupted in her work, she'll probably try to hide, and she'll wind up in the corner of a frame. She doesn't like light, so often will cross to the back side of the frame, even as you look. Then when you flip it, she'll quickly cross again. When you first open the hive, lessen your chance of rolling her by pulling the frame she's least likely to be on. Actually that's the wall frame, but it often is well glued, so the second one in, is usually the compromise. I get pretty disgusted with a bee inspector who goes straight for the center frames. Pull that first frame out very gently, having first cleaned off any burr comb on the sides of the top bars that might catch and roll her. All further frames need to be pried over a bit, so that they are in the open, and no rolling is possible. As you look, hold the frame out from you a bit, in good light. It's good to have the sun over your shoulder. Don't hold it perpendicular to your line of sight, but slant it outward just a bit. Not only look for the queen herself, but try to spot the circle of attendants that is often present around her. Light colored stock makes queen finding easier, as the queen is lighter in color than the workers. Dark stock can make this very hard, as she is usally darker than the workers, and her image tends to mix with the drones. Dark queens seem to run smaller also. Marked queens can help, but the bees often replace them. I don't bother much anymore with marking. Virgin queens are the dickens to spot, unless they've just emerged and are still white and quiet. They hardly look different from workers, and will run like crazy, often taking flight, too. If you can't find her in 10 minutes, put the cover on, and come back in an hour or so. You'll find her on the last frame you look at..... ;o) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding the Queen Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:28:13 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7p9hke$vr4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7p94a6$326$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-69.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934824398 32612 209.130.165.69 (16 Aug 1999 17:26:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 1999 17:26:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20319 You will soon develop an eye for her...sometimes you can go through the hive a couple of times and still not see her. Sometimes she runs...check along the bottoms of the frames and covers. I remember one time Duane checked and rechecked and then decided to have me come over to look with him. Checked it once and checked it twice. We gave up. I stood up and saw her sitting on his shoulder most likely watching the whole time! :-) --Busybee repbees@my-deja.com wrote in message <7p94a6$326$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >I am fairly new to beekeeping- and have a lot of difficulty in finding >the queen among all the rest in the colony. Any suggestions that might >help please? > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rebonney@javanet.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Polariscope for Judging Honey Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:03:01 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37B7FDEF.218A@javanet.com> References: <19990816060524.22271.00000738@ng-bg1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 7ppBOdSNcB+hFxJYLHLn5S959RE3D0RPqrRetp2KNPg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 1999 10:59:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20320 The booklet "Composition of American Honeys" USDA Technical Bulletin No 1261 has a simple plan with dimensions and specifications for a polariscope. The booklet was published in 1962 so I can't imagine that it is still available, but maybe some of the club libraries have a copy. For anyone who wants a copy of the plan, I will try to scan in the appropriate page for transmission. My scanner is acting up at the moment though so I may have to resort to a copying machine and the USPS. Dick Bonney rebonney@javanet.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees in my exterior house wall Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1999 11:16:07 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990816071607.22257.00000773@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20321 >been there. I bought this house only a >few months back. > >How can I get rid of the bees? > Hi tim where are you ? if in NC maybe i can help Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa infestation Question Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Aug 1999 11:18:40 GMT References: <7p75gt$r4r$1@news.vic.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990816071840.22257.00000774@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20322 >I would >estimate 400-500 mites. I suspect that this is a bad infestation, I am >leaving the Apstan in. definately Leave the strips in ! yes it's surviveable, that's what treatments are for. You may notice a slight drop in pop but with that strong a hive you'll be fine Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 18 11:39:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding the Queen Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:38:52 +0100 Organization: at home Message-ID: References: <7p94a6$326$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990816115443.03824.00000774@ng-cb1.aol.com> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 934835960 nnrp-12:12163 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 93 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20323 This is excellent advise that I can not better but just to add to a little.. Try looking for the distinctive long legs especially keeping an eye on the outside of the comb for the first 15 seconds, as if she is trying to avoid the light you will often see her running round the edge or through a hole in the comb. Graham In article <19990816115443.03824.00000774@ng-cb1.aol.com>, Dave Green writes >From: repbees@my-deja.com > >>I am fairly new to beekeeping- and have a lot of difficulty in finding >>the queen among all the rest in the colony. Any suggestions that might >>help please? > > Practice. > > Having said that, there are days when I can't find them either, and I'd >hesitate to estimate how many tens of thousands I've found..... > > Try to do it on a good day, when lots of bees are out foraging. Find the >frames where she has been most recently - eggs, or very young brood are your >tipoff. > > Use smoke very sparingly, because you can get the bees, including the >queen, running. If the queen is disrupted in her work, she'll probably try to >hide, and she'll wind up in the corner of a frame. She doesn't like light, so >often will cross to the back side of the frame, even as you look. Then when you >flip it, she'll quickly cross again. > > When you first open the hive, lessen your chance of rolling her by pulling >the frame she's least likely to be on. Actually that's the wall frame, but it >often is well glued, so the second one in, is usually the compromise. I get >pretty disgusted with a bee inspector who goes straight for the center frames. > > Pull that first frame out very gently, having first cleaned off any burr >comb on the sides of the top bars that might catch and roll her. All further >frames need to be pried over a bit, so that they are in the open, and no >rolling is possible. > > As you look, hold the frame out from you a bit, in good light. It's good to >have the sun over your shoulder. Don't hold it perpendicular to your line of >sight, but slant it outward just a bit. Not only look for the queen herself, >but try to spot the circle of attendants that is often present around her. > > Light colored stock makes queen finding easier, as the queen is lighter in >color than the workers. Dark stock can make this very hard, as she is usally >darker than the workers, and her image tends to mix with the drones. Dark >queens seem to run smaller also. > > Marked queens can help, but the bees often replace them. I don't bother much >anymore with marking. > > Virgin queens are the dickens to spot, unless they've just emerged and are >still white and quiet. They hardly look different from workers, and will run >like crazy, often taking flight, too. > > If you can't find her in 10 minutes, put the cover on, and come back in an >hour or so. > > You'll find her on the last frame you look at..... >;o) > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 18 11:39:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.ne.kr!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Excluders? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:24:46 +0100 Organization: at home Message-ID: References: <7p4q32$9s3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 934835267 nnrp-12:11740 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20324 I have seen this too with perforated zinc and plastic excluders. I changed to use framed wire excluder and the bees seem to have no further problem. Perhaps its the sharp edges that some (fat) bees don't like?. Graham In article <7p4q32$9s3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, tim_jk@my-deja.com writes >Is there a prefererence for types of queen excluders? My bees still >seem to be avoiding mine so I just pulled the thing out. The second >honey super I added after I put the excluder back in hadn't been >touched. Brood boxes and burr comb were packed with honey. I hear some >people don't use one at all and still have good results. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 18 11:39:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What are 'Yellow Jackets' Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:31:31 +0100 Organization: at home Message-ID: Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 934835868 nnrp-07:12475 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20325 Please help a poor UK beekeeper. Are what you guys in the US call 'yellow jacket' the same insect we know as the European or German wasp. thanks Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Wed Aug 18 11:39:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:02:46 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7p9ubg$n74$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37B7FBBA.AF67D986@rl.ac.uk.no.spam.please.we.are.british> <934814460.11944.0.nnrp-04.9e98177a@news.demon.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-69.clown.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 934837424 23780 62.136.109.197 (16 Aug 1999 21:03:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 1999 21:03:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:166918 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:164 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20326 Adam Finkelstein wrote in message news:7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net... > In article <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net>, > Joel B Levin wrote: > >In <934814460.11944.0.nnrp-04.9e98177a@news.demon.co.uk>, > > "Jethro" wrote: > >:There is no real need to kill a bee. That's why I got upset. If I could have > >:safely caught it and released it I would have. But I didn't like the idea of > >:my son getting stung. It's bad enough an adult being stung by a bee, let > >:alone a small child ... > > > >Bees are not individuals, really; they're short lived members of a huge > >collective, which in a sense is the real "creature" which gathers food, > >reproduces, survives. Individual bees don't really matter all that much. > > How do you know this? From what selections frame of reference are you > coming from? If bees aren't individuals, why then do laying workers lay > when a queen and brood's pheromonal influence is not present? An individual bee cannot live long without its colony. That's how. > > The "Super Organism" concept falls in and out of favor over the years. Now > a pluralistic view of bees and bees-in-a-hive-as-a-unit is more > acceptable: bees are individuals and also are group units. > > :-) > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:52:51 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37B7FBBA.AF67D986@rl.ac.uk.no.spam.please.we.are.british> <934814460.11944.0.nnrp-04.9e98177a@news.demon.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:166933 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:165 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20327 adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >>Bees are not individuals, really; they're short lived members of a huge >>collective, which in a sense is the real "creature" which gathers food, >>reproduces, survives. Individual bees don't really matter all that much. >How do you know this? From what selections frame of reference are you >coming from? If bees aren't individuals, why then do laying workers lay >when a queen and brood's pheromonal influence is not present? It's the grand design - reproduce the DNA. If the colony is going to die - produce drones to pass on the DNA. Everything a bee does is for the grand design. That is why nurse bees treat their more closly related larva better than the others. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From calin@ozemail.com.au Wed Aug 18 11:39:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees in my exterior house wall Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:40:55 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37B8A187.C235B2C@ozemail.com.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 934846833 7627 203.63.79.234 (16 Aug 1999 23:40:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 1999 23:40:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20328 Have a look at www.freeyellow.com/mebmers4/challen This site will give you some useful background to your problem Tim Marks wrote: > I just noticed that I have honey bees in the exterior wall of my house. > > I don't know how long they've been there. I bought this house only a > few months back. > > How can I get rid of the bees? > > Thanks, > > Tim From calin@ozemail.com.au Wed Aug 18 11:39:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding the Queen Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:52:04 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37B8A424.FF27A4DD@ozemail.com.au> References: <7p94a6$326$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 934847505 10059 203.63.79.234 (16 Aug 1999 23:51:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Aug 1999 23:51:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20329 Don't fall the notion that you MUST see the queen every time you look. Look at her newly laid eggs. That will tell you how well she is performing. In fact, her laying pattern tells you more than actually seeing her. In time you'll start to see her even when your'e not looking. repbees@my-deja.com wrote: > I am fairly new to beekeeping- and have a lot of difficulty in finding > the queen among all the rest in the colony. Any suggestions that might > help please? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Aug 18 11:39:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are 'Yellow Jackets' Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Aug 1999 00:23:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990816202315.12214.00000819@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20330 From: Graham Law Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk >Please help a poor UK beekeeper. >Are what you guys in the US call 'yellow jacket' the same insect we know >as the European or German wasp. Probably so. The one that is the worst nuisance is the german yellow jacket. It was accidently imported here, and, having few natural enemies, tends to overpopulate, like starlings. Yellow jackets are wasps, not bees, but a lot of people don't know the difference, so beekeepers get blamed for the problems. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From mlamana@bestweb.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike LaMana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: What are 'Yellow Jackets' Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:44:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.179.7.182 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 934850698 216.179.7.182 (Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:44:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:44:58 EDT Organization: BestWeb (bestweb.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20331 What we call 'yellow jackets' here in the US are often called wasps or hornets in the UK. They are members of the genera Vespula and Dolichovespula, and I'll hazard a guess of a few dozen species throughout the US. Many are ground nesters, but some are also aerial nesters. The german wasp is (I believe) one of the species in question. There is a genus of really big wasps (or hornets) called Vespa, and these monstrous things are sometimes predators of honeybees in Europe I believe...the species Vespa mandarina is close to as big as my thumb! Cheers! Mike From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Interesting note Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Aug 1999 03:17:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990816231719.05843.00001194@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20332 Did you know that if you leave a flaming smoker in front of a hive for a few minutes that the bees will comit suicide to put the fire out ? Happened upon this wonder the other day, anyone else ever notice it ? My smoker had about 50 dead bees inside in about 10 min . Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From restacey@ccconline.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.md.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37B8DB57.95CF70D0@ccconline.net> From: Robert Stacey Reply-To: restacey@ccconline.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. References: <19990815182250.02538.00000246@ng-fl1.aol.com> <19990815222025.17822.00000728@ng-fo1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 03:48:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.125.113.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.md.home.com 934861715 209.125.113.175 (Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:48:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:48:35 PDT Organization: @Work Internet powered by @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20333 A couple of weeks ago I was attacked by yellow jackets while cutting a tree stump. The yellow jackets had a nest in the ground next to the tree stump. The places where I was stung had the sting left in them. I was surpass since I was under the impression that yellow jackets do not leave their sting. I have been keeping bees for eight years and know the difference between yellow jackets and honey bees. Hugh Tait wrote: > > > I'm wondering if my roll on the ground is what ripped the stingers out. I > > think they may have been yellow jackets. > > > > > Yellow jacket stingers are not barbed, you described a beesting. Yellow > jackets stay attached to their stinger, even when crushed. Beestings leave a > reddish brown thorn, and they have a white bulb type tissue attached. The > bulb tissue contracts to dig in deeper and keep pumping additional poison. > > Probably honey or bumblebees nesting in the stump as opposed to > yellowjackets. > > hugh From apatry@sympatico.ca Wed Aug 18 11:39:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What time of year should i move hives to a new location? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:40:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.238.53 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 934890039 206.172.238.53 (Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:40:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:40:39 EDT Organization: Sympatico Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20334 Hello, I am new to this newsgroup and realize that this question must have been asked quite often. We have had bee hives for about 10 years at my parents home and like every one else, my time has been time to leave the nest. I am moving to a rural area about 5 hours away and want to bring my hives with me. When is the best time to move hives and what preparations should i do to the hives before and while transporting them? Thanks in advance, -- André From prw3@york.ac.uk Wed Aug 18 11:39:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: paul waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:31:14 -0700 Organization: The University of York, UK Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 934885875 2737 144.32.212.17 (17 Aug 1999 10:31:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 1999 10:31:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win16; I) Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20335 Hi all, I've got some boring research to do down our local University Library so have just taken a little diversion into the "folklore" section... I was quite dissapointed with the lack of documented folklore on bees and honey. (Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place). There was lots on other animals such as bad omens from black dogs etc... but little on bees which surprised me as bees have played such an important part in history and agriculture..... About the best that I could find was that in the 12th Century bees were regarded as a symbol of flattery....... Sweetness from their mouths but with a hidden sting... Does anyone know anything better or knows of any books or references on the subject. just curious Paul. From mister-t@zzclinic.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37B93B37.5B3F954D@zzclinic.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:36:39 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. References: <19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com> <44Xt3.502$_b.28930@news21b.ispnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p6-51.clinic.net X-Trace: 17 Aug 1999 06:33:53 EST, d-p6-51.clinic.net Lines: 45 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.156.97.247!News.Destek.net!d-p6-51.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20336 When I was stung they were much milder than bee stings. I must have been stung about five times before I bothered to move. Also, the puncture wound was black, so looked like a stinger was left, but there was none. My guess is there are different strains of yellow jackets just like bees. So some have more potent stings than others. But ground dwelling seems to be a common trait, along with bright yellow and shiny. Bill T "John R." wrote: > > It sounds exactly like yellow jackets to me except for the part about > leaving a stinger behind. Did you physically remove these stingers and > examine them? I find jellow jacket stings to be very painful compared > to honey bee stings. If the bees are bright yellow, you got yellow > jackets. > > John R, > > In article <19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com>, > dukesunflo@aol.comQDippyDo says... > > > >I was mowing the grass today and noticed a burning sensation in my > legs. I > >suddenly found myself surrounded by bees. I ran away from where I was > and > >finally escaped, but received 23 painful stings (23 I could see > immediately, > >anyway). These appeared to be bees (they left their stingers in me > when they > >pulled away) but they were brighter yellow than your average honey bee. > They > >came from a hole in the ground not far from a tree root. Since I've > never > >heard of swarms of honey bees attacking, I wonder if anybody could tell > me if > >this is unusual or perhaps another strain of bees. I live in Kentucky. > > >Visit > WinDough > >And Win $10,000 And MORE While You Work Or Surf! ITS FREE AND EASY -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From apatry@sympatico.ca Wed Aug 18 11:39:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Organic Honey Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:41:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.238.53 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 934890105 206.172.238.53 (Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:41:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:41:45 EDT Organization: Sympatico Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20337 I am hoping to move my hives in the near future down to an Organic farm in Ontario. I was wondering if anyone knew the requirements or the can and cant's for producing certified organic honey in Ontario. -- André From renfrow@skylands.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!ip-96.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Message-ID: References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:28:24 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-a2PRXU1pn/qHHiPQdjoVbxOZ+AkNewG+L95A8wnCE7tckJp5EVhripieCYgY0jSsTmf2UKo0k384lvh!CYFMo8QfE54= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:32:37 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20338 In article <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk>, paul waites wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got some boring research to do down our local University Library so > have just taken a little diversion into the "folklore" section... I was > quite dissapointed with the lack of documented folklore on bees and > honey. (Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place). There was lots on > other animals such as bad omens from black dogs etc... but little on > bees which surprised me as bees have played such an important part in > history and agriculture..... > > About the best that I could find was that in the 12th Century bees were > regarded as a symbol of flattery....... Sweetness from their mouths but > with a hidden sting... > > Does anyone know anything better or knows of any books or references on > the subject. > > just curious > > Paul. Hello! I visited an interesting site last nite: THE LITHUANIA BEEKEEPING PICTURES - http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/LithPict.html -- lots of interesting history & folklore. Also, see The Book of Beasts, by T.H. White, a translation of a 12th c. latin bestiary, Dover Publ., 1984. ISBN 0-486-24609-4 HTH, Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More, A Collection of 15th Century Recipes" and "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Aug 18 11:39:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!207.114.4.11!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What time of year should i move hives to a new location? Lines: 75 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Aug 1999 14:16:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19990817101627.14099.00000070@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20339 From: "André Patry" apatry@sympatico.ca >When is the best time to move hives and what preparations should i do to the >hives before and while transporting them? I'll be moving 20 or 30 hives this afternoon, as soon as they are hot enough to quit flying. The temperature will also determine how many I move, since I can only stand so much heat. It's forcast to be 96 degrees. In hot weather, it's much easier to move by day than by night. Move as soon as they quit flying. If they quit late, then load them in the evening (while still light), and unload them at sunup in the new spot. Maybe that's best anyway, as you say you have a 5 hour run, and mine is only about 20 minutes. It's not a good idea to leave bees on a truck too long in hot weather. Don't try to handle them at night (okay in winter) because they will crawl all over and crawling bees are REAL bad. Make sure the bottom boards are stapled on, before attempting to move them. Hive staples should go / \, rather than / / I generally move bees with one (shallow) super (single story hive); if not glued by the bees, then it should also be stapled. More than one super (or double story hive) takes two people. All stapling, super removal, etc, should be done at least 24 hours ahead of the move. Don't disturb bees on moving day. A favorite (very bad!) trick of beginners is to tape up the hive. You can suffocate a hive very quickly in hot weather. If you have both bottom and top screens, use them, otherwise you are better off to leave the hives open. Have your pickup (or whatever - I use a flatbed one ton truck with a flatbed trailer) all set to go, straps or ropes ready, smoker lit, etc. (The miniature trucker style ratchet straps are extremely good for tie downs, as they will tension tighter than most folks can by rope You can get them at WalMart or auto parts stores.) Have the motor running, and plenty of gas so you have no stops. When ready, puff a little smoke into each hive. Wait a minute for them to feel the effect. The quickly, smoothly, and gently set the hive up. If it's a two-man lift, lean the hive back and cradle it at about 45 degrees (see why it has to be all attatched?), set the front onto the edge of the truck and EASE it up into position. If you do it smoothly, with no jars, most hives will not even come out to see what's going on. Quickly strap down and GO. Do not park in the daytime. You can park for awhile after dark, but not under lights. If you do park, hose them for a few minutes. And if it is hot, and they are going to be on the truck awhile, hose them, now and then. They will not leave the hives as long as the wind is blowing (keep moving) or they don't overheat. If you start losing them while you are moving, get water on them fast, even if it means stopping by a river and throwing buckets of water on the load. All the warnings may scare you. But I've loaded many truckloads of bees late in the day, and unloaded at dawn, without a sting, and without losing more than a handful of bees. Netting the load is required for interstate travel. But if you pull off the net in daylight be prepared to get tore up. I'd rather stick to back roads, and lose the mean ones. As far as protecting the public. Remember that a bee who leaves the load may sting anyone around for about 30 seconds. As soon as it realizes it's lost, it will then become a wanderer, with no incentive to sting, as it is trying to find home. If you park long enough to leave a number of bees, they will cluster together and bee snotty as all get out. So don't leave a mean queenless cluster on a gas pump. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jesse.hunter@bms.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Speed of Filling Supers Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:48:42 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37B9764A.66AA44A1@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20340 I know that the answer to this question involves many variables; number of bees in hive, types and quantities of nectar sources, weather, etc. But in general terms, how long does it generally take a colony to fill and cap 10 medium frames with honey. I would just like to get an idea of the ranges of time that folks have seen this take. We have a great flow going in Syracuse right now and I just added another super to one of my hives yesterday. I would like to be able to benchmark its progress. I am doing this a little late because this was my weakest hive and I thought they might have trouble filling just one medium super. Much to my surprise when I opened it up the other day, that super was full and 3/4 capped. I could see that they were begging for another to fill for me. (happily I obliged :) I appreciate the info to benchmark against. Jesse --without the birds and bees, none of us would exist-- From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Aug 18 11:39:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Aug 1999 13:45:46 GMT References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990817094546.14099.00000060@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20341 From: paul waites prw3@york.ac.uk >Does anyone know anything better or knows of any books or references on >the subject. You know how drone carpenter bees will investigate and hover around you? In the Carribean, they are said to be "bringing you a message." Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From beeman@kingston.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!firehose.mindspring.net!falcon.america.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Speed of Filling Supers Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:00:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <37B9870F.E9654555@kingston.net> References: <37B9764A.66AA44A1@bms.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20342 Hi Jesse, When the clover is in full swing here in Eastern Ontario they will fill a super in 2 weeks. I always put 2 on a week or so in advance. All this is an average of course. Kent From nono@nono.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gate.bCandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are 'Yellow Jackets' From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 40 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.90 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 934906785 216.98.69.90 (Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:19:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:19:45 EDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:19:45 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20343 What we are talking about is Vespula pensylvanica or western yellow jacket. They reach peak population at this time of the year and can be a problem if you stumble upon their ground nest unexpectantly. John R. In article , Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk says... > > > >Please help a poor UK beekeeper. >Are what you guys in the US call 'yellow jacket' the same insect we know >as the European or German wasp. >thanks >Graham > >Graham Law >Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) >England > . > \ > z > z > z > Z > z > _ Z _ >(. \ Z / .) >( \ \ . Z . / / ) > \ \ \ ( ) / / / > \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ > \_{ @ @ }_/ > _\ o /_ > ///v~v\\\ > "" "" >"I see no future in the cathode ray tube" >John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!news-stl.cp.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.cc.ukans.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:01:54 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7pc4em$fql$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.25.93 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 934909206 16213 12.72.25.93 (17 Aug 1999 17:00:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 1999 17:00:06 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20344 When a beekeeper dies, someone should go tell his/her bees. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there paul waites wrote in message news:37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk... > Hi all, > > I've got some boring research to do down our local University Library so > have just taken a little diversion into the "folklore" section... I was > quite dissapointed with the lack of documented folklore on bees and > honey. (Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place). There was lots on > other animals such as bad omens from black dogs etc... but little on > bees which surprised me as bees have played such an important part in > history and agriculture..... > > About the best that I could find was that in the 12th Century bees were > regarded as a symbol of flattery....... Sweetness from their mouths but > with a hidden sting... > > Does anyone know anything better or knows of any books or references on > the subject. > > just curious > > Paul. From nono@nono.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.132.58.119!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What time of year should i move hives to a new location? From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.90 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 934907537 216.98.69.90 (Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:32:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:32:17 EDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:32:17 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20345 I can only add that a strip of window screen can be folded in a "V" shape and forced into the hive entrance. The bees will stay put without cutting off to much ventilation. Given a choice I prefer to relocate hives when the weather is cold. John R. In article , apatry@sympatico.ca says... > >Hello, > >I am new to this newsgroup and realize that this question must have been >asked quite often. We have had bee hives for about 10 years at my parents >home and like every one else, my time has been time to leave the nest. I am >moving to a rural area about 5 hours away and want to bring my hives with >me. > >When is the best time to move hives and what preparations should i do to the >hives before and while transporting them? > >Thanks in advance, > >-- > >André > > From jennyr@aol.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!216.12.0.50!news.cfw.com!paxfeed.eni.net!aol.com From: dropduck69@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EXTREMELY CHEAP erotic phone chat 78460 Date: Tuesday, 17 Aug 1999 10:54:50 -0600 Organization: YOUNG AND FREE Lines: 24 Message-ID: <17089910.5450@aol.com> Reply-To: jennyr@aol.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 114.pao900.pool.eni.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20346 Want to talk with REAL horny girls? This is something VERY new in phone sex. The women on the line are NOT paid. 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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <445-37B9B887-61@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ9uZgmfVo8l2oHWoZGzCITQlpCiQIVAIt39WFpbzQTrZJXWqgsWRFOyeDG Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20347 You could move your bees now. In addition to screening I would make sure boxes are secure with staples and /or straps. Keep cracks between boxes to a minimum so bees don't fly out. Secure the boxes to the bed of the pick-up or trailer. Cool conditions are best. I think the best idea would be to close up the hives early in the evening, load them (with help of course) and make a bee line to your new destination and immediately unload and unscreen the entrance. This may be a little tough on the sleeping schedule but there are some good benefits. By starting in the early evening, you can capture just about all your bees and traveling during the night will keep the bees cooler. During the day, there is a chance of the hives overheating. From honeybs@radix.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:12:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20348 paul waites wrote: >Hi all, >I've got some boring research to do down our local University Library so >have just taken a little diversion into the "folklore" section... I was >quite dissapointed with the lack of documented folklore on bees and >honey. (Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place). There was lots on >other animals such as bad omens from black dogs etc... but little on >bees which surprised me as bees have played such an important part in >history and agriculture..... >About the best that I could find was that in the 12th Century bees were >regarded as a symbol of flattery....... Sweetness from their mouths but >with a hidden sting... >Does anyone know anything better or knows of any books or references on >the subject. >just curious >Paul. Try the bible! Especially the story of St. Andrew the patron saint of beekeepers. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are 'Yellow Jackets' Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:02:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7pct6q$rur$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 18 00:02:41 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.36 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20349 nono@nono.com (John R.) wrote: > What we are talking about is Vespula pensylvanica or western yellow > jacket. They reach peak population at this time of the year and can be > a problem if you stumble upon their ground nest unexpectantly. A few years back, when I was living in the New Jersey suburbs of NYC, a large colony of yellow jackets set up housekeeping in my casual (not frequently turned) compost heap. Imagine poking a pitchfork into that pile unawares. Well, I did realize it was there before the fork hit it and tried everything on the market to eliminate them or reduce their presence so I could turn the heap and get on with it. All to no avail. They never even seemed dazed and their visible numbers never reduced. Finally I just had to, a little each day for a few weeks, pull the heap away from the nest, exposing the layers and layers of paper cells. Then I inundated it with the water hose. How they came rushing out. Good thing I'm not allergic! But I was lucky enough to get only two stings out of the experience. After that the pile got turned more frequently. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jkimbroNOSPAM@midtown.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "JKimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how to invert sugar syrup ? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:28:12 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <7p5vgj$bgu$1@SOLAIR2.EUnet.yu> <7p738p$r99$2@news1.Radix.Net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20350 Grab it by the top and quickly turn it over? (Sorry ,,,couldn't resist) honeybs wrote in message news:7p738p$r99$2@news1.Radix.Net... > "ivan" wrote: > > >Does anyone know how to invert sugar syrup ? > >If you have any suggestions for me I would appreciate it. > > >Ivan > > Add invertase. > > Greg the beekeep > > > > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From timmarks@iquest.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!supernews.com!remarQ.com!iquest!news1.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Tim Marks" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37B8A187.C235B2C@ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: Honey Bees in my exterior house wall Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:20:46 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.43.56.237 X-Trace: news1.iquest.net 934938886 209.43.56.237 (Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:14:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:14:46 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20351 Chris, Thanks for the response. Looks like I should just leave them. I don't think they have been here long. Some say that late summer swarms won't survive the winter anyway??? If they do survive the winter, I suppose they won't be any harder to remove next year than now, right? Tim Chris Allen wrote in message news:37B8A187.C235B2C@ozemail.com.au... > Have a look at www.freeyellow.com/mebmers4/challen > This site will give you some useful background to your problem > > Tim Marks wrote: > > > I just noticed that I have honey bees in the exterior wall of my house. > > > > I don't know how long they've been there. I bought this house only a > > few months back. > > > > How can I get rid of the bees? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim > From nopcme@aol.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Non-aol connecting Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Aug 1999 02:20:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990817222037.22032.00000201@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20352 Would someone who is not an aol user tell me the address to connect to this newsgroup? thanx, Jim From cwelch@cais.nospam.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!newsie.cais.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying products from the hive From: cwelch@cais.nospam.com (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7ovp6s$1hei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990813101814.01084.00000326@ng-fj1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 23 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:55:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.177.24.62 X-Trace: newsie.cais.net 934944931 205.177.24.62 (Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:55:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:55:31 EDT Organization: CAIS Internet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20353 >Its easier to drop the honey off at the buyer and leave with your money. Let >someone else do the marketing. Its the same with many other types of farming >and skills. Marketing is a technique ( not always hard) but time consuming. I don't have my own hives but have been actively promoting buying local honey to members of the local brew club as well as our brewers guild. In our area (Loudoun County, VA) they've finally have folks selling honey at the farmers market. It was through them I contacted another gentleman who sold me 5 gallongs of honey. Granted, that's not much for some folks but that's about 25-30+ gallons of mead for me. It's taken about a year to search out folks in our area who will sell direct but it's been well worth it. For those that are looking for additional markets check out the local brew clubs and how-brew stores for contacts. We're seeing a renewed interested in making mead and more interest in brewing with honey. Wassail, Chris -- members.tripod.com/StArnolds/ - The Guild of St. Arnolds (Brewers Guild) Rogue #331 Meads in progress: Apricot, Blueberry, Blackberry, 2 Raspberry, Cyser, Pyment, 2 Peach, Plum and more to follow... From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What time of year should i move hives to a new location? Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37ba2243.42408372@news.cidial.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:25:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.139 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934947003 38.11.203.139 (Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:30:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:30:03 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20354 >When is the best time to move hives and what preparations should i do to the >hives before and while transporting them? You can move them anytime you want. For a hive top I use a wooden frame covered with screening. This is my standard top for all my hives. Of course I live in a hot area, so ventilation is important. However it is also useful for the next bit: transportation. Wait until dark and all the bees are in. close up the entrance with a wooden block and secure with a screw (do yourself a favor and use a battery powered screw gun) have three wooden strips cut 2(inches)X(the height of your hive) for each hive. These can be made of plywood, if the hives are heavy, 3/4" plywood. use a good quality phillips or pozidrive screw of 1-1/2" length that has one of those little bit paddles cast into the design of it, in other words a screw that bores it's own hole. screw the screened top down to the hive body screw the three strips along the sides of the hive (2 on either side up close to the front and one in the back) put a screw into each hive body. don't forget to screw to the bottom board. Now you have a hive that's screwed together on three sides with an entrance that blocked up and a top that's screwed on tight with a screen cover for plenty of ventilation. To move, use 4 cabinetmaker type clamps, those things you can make any length with a piece of 1 inch pipe. Connect one clamp with the long end pointing one way and the second clamp pointing the other. Do the same on the other side. Now you have a hive securely tied together with all the bees from that site ready to move with a clamp litter. Did I forget to mention you will need an assistant on the other end of those clamp handles? Haven't lost a bee yet. Charles Kroeger - There is no expedient to which a man will not go to avoid the real labour of thinking. Thomas A. Edison From miel@ix.netcom.com Wed Aug 18 11:39:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ...timing of varroa treatments Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:31:06 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37BA532A.A52@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ali-ca77-52.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Aug 18 1:33:29 AM CDT 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20355 When is it best, cycle wise for the bees, to have those apistan strips in place? My memory of reading innumerable articles says when the queen is creating the brood that will tide the hive over into winter; and then, in early spring or late winter when she's building up the brood for the new season. Is that correct? Vivian From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solitary bees Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:31:24 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Message-ID: <7pe87s$omi$1@barcode.tesco.net> References: <7osn9q$oee$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.65.142 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20356 Hi Peter >Does anyone know of books on solitary bees - preferably of the UK? If you are looking for books which can be used for identification plus some details of life history try the Collins Guide to the Insects of Britain and Western Europe - ISBN 0-00-219137-7. Mine cost £6.95 a few years ago and is worth every penny. Another and very specific publication is Bees, Ants and Wasps, a key to genera of the British Aculeates by Pat Willmer, this is Field Studies Council Occasional Publication No 7(S16) and my copy is dated 1985. There is a good list of references from which you should be able to investigate your particular line. Keith From Keith.Hooker@tesco.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK NDB Board Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:38:48 +0100 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7pdlu1$ohb$1@barcode.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.65.112 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20357 Can someone post the address of the secretary of the (UK) National Diploma in Beekeeping Board Secretary please. Keith From mlamana@bestweb.net Wed Aug 18 11:39:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike LaMana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7pct6q$rur$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: What are 'Yellow Jackets'- slightly off topic Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <%Jwu3.2036$Ss6.197821@newshog.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:24:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.179.5.232 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 934975483 216.179.5.232 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:24:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:24:43 EDT Organization: BestWeb (bestweb.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20358 Along the lines of a ground nest that you want to get rid of, I have a tale... A buddy of mine some years ago would harvest live yellow jackets for pharmaceutical companies for a living. He used to vacuum them out of the ground with a customized shop vac. He once told me that one way to be rid of a ground-nest is to place a CLEAR GLASS bowl over the entrance hole. Because the critters do not perceive darkness, they do not figure that the entrance has been blocked and thus do not excavate a new hole. Eventually they starve to death in situ. I haven't tried it but it makes sense, and the chap in question was a PhD entomologist. From dkelley@soils.umn.edu Thu Aug 19 06:29:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news1.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: David Kelley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fume pad Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:11:27 -0500 Organization: Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37BABF0F.B6F21410@soils.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: x160-46.soils.umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20359 Howdy. Anyone know how to make a homemade fume pad for use with Bee-Go? I'm too cheap to buy one. Strips of diaper? Paper towels? Other? Any help appreciated. You betcha. -- David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) Agricultural Research Service, USDA Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fume pad Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Aug 1999 14:41:28 GMT References: <37BABF0F.B6F21410@soils.umn.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990818104128.03670.00000831@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20360 >Howdy. Anyone know how to make a homemade fume pad for use with >Bee-Go? I'm too cheap to buy one. S A feminine napkin, one of the thin ones works quite well. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beetools@aol.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fume pad Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Aug 1999 15:17:03 GMT References: <37BABF0F.B6F21410@soils.umn.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990818111703.22025.00000349@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20361 We don't sell fume boards any more and tell all of our customers just to cut a piece of corragated cardboard about the size of the top of a hive and use that as the fume board. Remember to put it on at a slight angle leaving two corners open so the bees that go up to get away from the Bee Go have somewhere to get out. After you are done, toss the cardboard on the burn pile or trash it. It will save you smelling it for a year. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From pollinator@aol.comnospam Thu Aug 19 06:29:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fume pad Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Aug 1999 15:54:37 GMT References: <37BABF0F.B6F21410@soils.umn.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990818115437.21822.00000778@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20362 From: David Kelley dkelley@soils.umn.edu >Howdy. Anyone know how to make a homemade fume pad for use with >Bee-Go? I'm too cheap to buy one. Strips of diaper? Paper towels? >Other? Any help appreciated. You betcha. You got it, you betcha. Anything absorbant will do. In a pinch, I've often put paper towels between a cover and an excluder. Works fine, though a black cover helps concentrate the heat. I've about quit using the stuff, in favor of a blower tho. Can't stand the stink! Bad enough outdoors, but worse yet in the honey house. It's no wonder the bees run from it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From hamilton@pbssite.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!IRIS.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cheap refractometer? Message-ID: <37bacda3.1300001796@news.usenetserver.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 6 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:14:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: IRIS 935000117 207.91.44.54 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:15:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:15:17 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20363 Anyone know of an inexpensive place to get a honey refractometer? TIA Dave Hamilton hamilton@pbssite.com From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-aol connecting Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:19:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7pemen$55u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990817222037.22032.00000201@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 18 16:19:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20364 In article <19990817222037.22032.00000201@ng-fv1.aol.com>, nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) wrote: > Would someone who is not an aol user tell me the address to connect to this > newsgroup? > thanx, > Jim Try either www.deja.com or www.talkway.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dubees@my-deja.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: dubees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: www.dubees.com :) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:53:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7pektj$3sr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.153.117 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 18 15:53:30 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.153.117 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdubees Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20365 check me out Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pollinator@aol.comnospam Thu Aug 19 06:29:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Aug 1999 15:59:47 GMT References: <7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990818115947.21822.00000785@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20366 >Try the bible! > >Especially the story of St. Andrew the patron saint of >beekeepers. Thought that was St. Ambrose, who's not mentioned in the Bible.... St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland. That's why there are so many St. Andrew Presbyterian churches. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 19 06:29:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK NDB Board Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:49:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7pevaf$t36$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7pdlu1$ohb$1@barcode.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-31.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 935002255 29798 62.136.14.159 (18 Aug 1999 18:50:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 1999 18:50:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20367 Keith Hooker wrote in message news:7pdlu1$ohb$1@barcode.tesco.net... > Can someone post the address of the secretary of the (UK) National Diploma > in Beekeeping Board Secretary please. > > Keith Reg Gove NDB FRES Westcott Gerway Lane Ottery St MAry EX11 1PW Mary > > From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-aol connecting Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37bbf6d8.12660945@news.cidial.com> References: <19990817222037.22032.00000201@ng-fv1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:02:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.45 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935003220 38.11.203.45 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:07:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:07:00 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20368 >Would someone who is not an aol user tell me the address to connect to this >newsgroup? seems to me that you just did. However, get yourself a good news reader. There a free one called "Free Agent" at: www.forteinc.com If you're using netscape of the communicator generation, go into your "message center" and create a folder called sci.agriculture.beekeeping after that every time you want to download new messages right click on the folder you made and select: "new messages" If you've never used Netscape for newsgroups before, go into preferences under mail and groups and set up groups server. That's where you will have to add the news server to the appropriate space. News servers are different than SMTP or POP servers. Under messages don't forget to select wrap long lines (at say) 74 characters. Also very important, always un check the box that says "by default send HTML messages" Charles Kroeger - Crimine ab uno Disce omnes. (from a single crime know the nation) Virgil 70-19 B.C. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are 'Yellow Jackets'- slightly off topic Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37bd03f4.16016795@news.cidial.com> References: <7pct6q$rur$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <%Jwu3.2036$Ss6.197821@newshog.newsread.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:13:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.45 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935003885 38.11.203.45 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:18:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:18:05 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20369 >Eventually they starve to death in situ. A solution for red ant beds has a connection to this in a way. However it isn't as brutal. If you place a window screen or screening material over a large red ant "bed" it will, by degrees, wither away. I don't know why this works, but I know the screen allows only 40% of the light spectrum to pass. The ants will generally move the bed somewhere else, or just disappear. You have to be patient. It can take about six weeks or more. To me at least, this still beats the chemical alternative. Charles Kroeger From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how to invert sugar syrup ? Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37baf3ee.11914331@news.cidial.com> References: <7p5vgj$bgu$1@SOLAIR2.EUnet.yu> <7p738p$r99$2@news1.Radix.Net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:07:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.45 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934999888 38.11.203.45 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:11:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:11:28 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20370 >Does anyone know how to invert sugar syrup ? You could do what the bees do, and add a bit of invertase to the syrup. Did you know it isn't known why the bees do this (invert nectar) as the only scientific description of inverted sugar has to do with it's relation to polarized light. There was a case in Britain once where Lyons golden syrup (inverted sugar) was in litigation over its less than veiled attempts to associate itself with honey. It even had a trademark on the label of its tins that showed a dead lion with a bee hive in its carcass. i.e. "from strength comes sweetness" that was Lyon's slogan. Makes you kind of wonder why Lyon the surname would be associated with lion the animal. Excessive hype even back then. This also relates to a previous post about bee folklore and the bible with Sampson getting the credit for killing the lion, but I never got the connection between the bees and the dead lion and Sampson, but that's the bible for you, clear as mud. Charles Kroeger From tenmoku@webtv.net Thu Aug 19 06:29:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cheap refractometer? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3301-37BB2A8C-4@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37bacda3.1300001796@news.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRbcGckys74BoNiy+ZGYsevrbYVJQIVALVMOoX5YwZsUvGHnbrskKfyZyxg Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20371 I'm not sure what you idea of inexpensive is but Ruhl Bee Supply in Portland, Oregon has one called the honey tester 68 which is $127.00 US. Their number is 503-256-4231. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 19 06:29:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK NDB Board Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:10:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7pfbpk$44k$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7pdlu1$ohb$1@barcode.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-106.technetium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 935015028 4244 62.136.21.106 (18 Aug 1999 22:23:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 1999 22:23:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20372 Keith Hooker wrote in message <7pdlu1$ohb$1@barcode.tesco.net>... >Can someone post the address of the secretary of the (UK) National Diploma >in Beekeeping Board Secretary please. > >Keith > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ Reg Gove NDB FRES Westcott Gerway Lane Ottery St Mary Exeter EX11 1PW > From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 19 06:29:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:02:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7pfe40$bnd$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> <7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-18.scandium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 935017408 12013 62.136.10.18 (18 Aug 1999 23:03:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Aug 1999 23:03:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20373 honeybs wrote in message news:7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net... > paul waites wrote: > > >Hi all, > > >I've got some boring research to do down our local University Library so > >have just taken a little diversion into the "folklore" section... I was > >quite dissapointed with the lack of documented folklore on bees and > >honey. (Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place). There was lots on > >other animals such as bad omens from black dogs etc... but little on > >bees which surprised me as bees have played such an important part in > >history and agriculture..... > > >About the best that I could find was that in the 12th Century bees were > >regarded as a symbol of flattery....... Sweetness from their mouths but > >with a hidden sting... > > >Does anyone know anything better or knows of any books or references on > >the subject. > > >just curious > > >Paul. > > Try the bible! > > Especially the story of St. Andrew the patron saint of > beekeepers. Can you tell us more about that, Greg? Mary From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 19 06:29:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:12:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7pfgc8$55d$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> <7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7pfe40$bnd$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20374 "Mary Fisher" wrote: >honeybs wrote in message >news:7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net... >> paul waites wrote: >> >> >Hi all, >> >> >I've got some boring research to do down our local University Library so >> >have just taken a little diversion into the "folklore" section... I was >> >quite dissapointed with the lack of documented folklore on bees and >> >honey. (Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place). There was lots on >> >other animals such as bad omens from black dogs etc... but little on >> >bees which surprised me as bees have played such an important part in >> >history and agriculture..... >> >> >About the best that I could find was that in the 12th Century bees were >> >regarded as a symbol of flattery....... Sweetness from their mouths but >> >with a hidden sting... >> >> >Does anyone know anything better or knows of any books or references on >> >the subject. >> >> >just curious >> >> >Paul. >> >> Try the bible! >> >> Especially the story of St. Andrew the patron saint of >> beekeepers. >Can you tell us more about that, Greg? >Mary // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 19 06:29:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:54:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 119 Message-ID: <7pfirh$dm3$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> <7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7pfe40$bnd$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20375 "Mary Fisher" wrote: >honeybs wrote in message >news:7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net... >> paul waites wrote: >> >> >Hi all, >> >> >I've got some boring research to do down our local University Library so >> >have just taken a little diversion into the "folklore" section... I was >> >quite dissapointed with the lack of documented folklore on bees and >> >honey. (Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place). There was lots on >> >other animals such as bad omens from black dogs etc... but little on >> >bees which surprised me as bees have played such an important part in >> >history and agriculture..... >> >> >About the best that I could find was that in the 12th Century bees were >> >regarded as a symbol of flattery....... Sweetness from their mouths but >> >with a hidden sting... >> >> >Does anyone know anything better or knows of any books or references on >> >the subject. >> >> >just curious >> >> >Paul. >> >> Try the bible! >> >> Especially the story of St. Andrew the patron saint of >> beekeepers. >Can you tell us more about that, Greg? >Mary Dave is absolutly correct that St. Ambrose is not in the bible. It is a biblical story IMO. According to Iconographer Adele Morris: Saint Ambrose (A.D. 340-97) Bishop of Milan Feast Day December 7 Patron of Beekeepers and Candle Makers St, Ambrose is one of the four Latin Fathers of the Church. He is shown holding a beehive, a reference to the legend that, when he was an infant, a swarm of bees alighted on his mouth, thus foretelling his future eloquence as is suggested by the expression "honeyed words." St, Ambrose compared the Church to a beehive, and the Christian to the bee, working ardently and forever true to the hive. The following is a list of references to Honey and Bees in the Bible: Genesis 43:11 Exodus 3:8 Exodus 13:5 Exodus 16:31 Exodus 33:3 Leviticus 2:11 Leviticus 20:24 Numbers 13:27 Numbers 14:8 Numbers 16:13 Deuteronomy 8:8 Deuteronomy 11:9 Deuteronomy 26:9 Deuteronomy 2615 Deuteronomy 27:3 Deuteronomy 31:20 Deuteronomy 32:13 Joshua 5:6 Judges 14:8 Judges 14:18 1 Samuel 14:25 1 Samuel 14:29 1 Samuel 14:43 2 Samuel 17:29 1 Kings 14:3 2 Kings 18:32 2 Chronicles 31:5 Job 20:17 Psalms 19:10 Psalms 81:16 Psalms 119:103 Proverbs 24:13 Proverbs 25:16 Proverbs 25:27 Song of Solomon 4:11 Song of Solomon 5:1 Isaiah 7:15 Isaiah 7:22 Jeremiah 11:5 Jeremiah 32:22 Jeremiah 41:8 Ezekiel 3:3 Ezekiel 16:13 Ezekiel 16:19 Ezekiel 20:6 Ezekiel 20:15 Ezekiel 27:17 Matthew 3:4 Mark 1:6 Revelation 10:9 Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:46:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7pfgk0$pko$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> <7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.58 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 18 23:46:11 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.58 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20376 honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > Try the bible! If it's Bible stories about bees/ honey that catch your interest, don't skip past the book of Judges chapter 14, which tells of Samson killing a lion with his bare hands. When he passes by the remains a year later, a colony of bees have taken up housekeeping in the skeleton. Samson robs out honey with his bare hands, eats some, and takes some home to his parents. The situation gives rise to a riddle (and related bet) he tells at his wedding banquet: Out of the eater came something to eat, out of the strong came something sweet. Samson's wife worms the answer out of him and tells his opponents. Samson does not take kindly to the deceit, shouting at those who won the bet: If you hadn't plowed with my heifer, you wouldn't have guessed my riddle! He left his own wedding banquet in a rage, and, to pay off the bet, he killed 30 men (of Philistine nationality, as was his wife and those he lost the bet to) taking their clothes to the winners. That was the start of his career as a killer of Philistines, the deeds on which his position in the Bible hangs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 19 06:29:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interesting note Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:40:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7pfna0$udk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990816231719.05843.00001194@ng-ff1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.95 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 19 01:40:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.95 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20377 In article <19990816231719.05843.00001194@ng-ff1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Did you know that if you leave a flaming smoker in front of a hive for a few > minutes that the bees will comit suicide to put the fire out ? > > Happened upon this wonder the other day, anyone else ever notice it ? > My smoker had about 50 dead bees inside in about 10 min . > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC ********************************************************* Kevin, Maybe it was a mistake. Maybe just trying to smoke the mites off/out. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ********************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gmt@crosslink.net Thu Aug 19 06:29:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.cs.utwente.nl!newsfeed.eris.dera.gov.uk!nntp.crosslink.net!206.246.124.71.MISMATCH!mojo.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37BB6879.7E72@crosslink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:14:17 -0400 From: "LINWOOD E. GREEN" Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net Organization: GREEN MACHINE & TOOL, INC. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 or 3 brood boxes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.74.10 X-Trace: mojo.crosslink.net 935028588 14671 206.246.74.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20378 Hello, I just found this newsgroup and have a question for the beekeepers in my area (50 miles or so south of Washington D.C. in Virginia). What is best in this area 2 or 3 brood boxes? And What are the Pros and Cons of each? Thanks LEG From mlamana@bestweb.net Thu Aug 19 06:29:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike LaMana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7pct6q$rur$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <%Jwu3.2036$Ss6.197821@newshog.newsread.com> <37bd03f4.16016795@news.cidial.com> Subject: Re: What are 'Yellow Jackets'- slightly off topic Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:00:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.179.5.96 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 935028023 216.179.5.96 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:00:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:00:23 EDT Organization: BestWeb (bestweb.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20379 Charlie: Do you place the screen on the nest, or simply over it to alter the light as perceived by the insects?? It's easy to see why the ants might move on if the spectrum is constantly warped...makes for very poor orientation and circadien rhythems most likely. Mike From Olivia723@hotmail.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.132.58.119!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Olivia543" Subject: Sounds of bees *don't laugh* Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: d01a865a.dip.cdsnet.net/208.26.134.90 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 935035180125 Lines: 16 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:59:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 935035171 216.200.3.205 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:59:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:59:31 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20380 I think I have a bee hive in the attic of my house, where the eve meets the outside wall. At night, there is this loud purring sound that I can hear when I stand in that general vicinity. I wasn't too sure what it was until tonite, I was outside, and looked up and there were many yellow jackets or bees of some type flying around, and I watched several go through a small opening in my siding. Do bees when inside a hive sound like this. I swear, I thought a cat had gotten into the attic.....a really big cat, this is quite loud. Can I seal off the opening to the hive? Will that kill the bees inside, or will they just find another way out of the hive. Or would I be better off to call an exterminator....any ideas....what a question to ask of people who obviously like bees. -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From jrmars@tricon.net Thu Aug 19 06:29:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 or 3 brood boxes From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37BB6879.7E72@crosslink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 25 Message-ID: <14Ku3.638$nq6.54290@news21b.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.92 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935030141 216.98.71.92 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:35:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:35:41 EDT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:35:41 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20381 I am familiar with your climate as I used to live in that area. Although I now live Tenn the elevation is considerably higher and so the winters are just as cold or maybe colder here. I would think you would want to keep your bees in two full size hive bodies or maybe a full size hive body and a Illinois medium super. I use the later configuration and my bees come through the winter just fine. If you use the 3 hive bodies the bees will almost certainly fill the top hive body with honey. Then you will have one HEAVY hive body to contend with.....ouch my aching back! John R. In article <37BB6879.7E72@crosslink.net>, gmt@crosslink.net says... > >Hello, >I just found this newsgroup and have a question for the beekeepers in my >area (50 miles or so south of Washington D.C. in Virginia). >What is best in this area 2 or 3 brood boxes? And What are the Pros and >Cons of each? > >Thanks >LEG From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Aug 19 06:29:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are 'Yellow Jackets'- slightly off topic Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37bb74a9.44874802@news.cidial.com> References: <7pct6q$rur$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <%Jwu3.2036$Ss6.197821@newshog.newsread.com> <37bd03f4.16016795@news.cidial.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:10:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.79 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935032495 38.11.203.79 (Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:14:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:14:55 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20382 Mike, you ask: >Do you place the screen on the nest, or simply over it Just place the screen over the nest. (bed here in texas, also called an ant hill) by being "on" the ant bed-hill-nest the ants are not restricted in their movements to and from the spot. However the colony gradually declines until it's gone. Like I said, it takes time. C.K. From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Thu Aug 19 06:29:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!203.24.245.65.MISMATCH!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sounds of bees *don't laugh* Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:00:44 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <935042420.433706@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-46.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20383 No one should laugh at you, bees in a wall cavity or ceiling space can be very loud. As to what to do about them you should consult a local beekeeper or pest control person -- Barry Metz Olivia543 wrote in message news:DiLu3.5871$pO3.67264@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com... > I think I have a bee hive in the attic of my house, where the eve meets > the outside wall. At night, there is this loud purring sound that I > can hear when I stand in that general vicinity. I wasn't too sure what > it was until tonite, I was outside, and looked up and there were many > yellow jackets or bees of some type flying around, and I watched > several go through a small opening in my siding. Do bees when inside a > hive sound like this. I swear, I thought a cat had gotten into the > attic.....a really big cat, this is quite loud. Can I seal off the > opening to the hive? Will that kill the bees inside, or will they just > find another way out of the hive. Or would I be better off to call an > exterminator....any ideas....what a question to ask of people who > obviously like bees. > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Thu Aug 19 06:29:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!203.24.245.65.MISMATCH!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What time of year should i move hives to a new location? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:16:51 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <935050583.776415@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <445-37B9B887-61@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-46.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20384 I just wonder why you don't use hive straps to keep the boxes together when moving. We have them here in Australia and they are very cost effective as they have a life of many years. You can leave the straps on all the time this stops the hive from coming apart if knocked over. If anyone is interested contact me and we'll work something out -- Barry Metz Hank Mishima wrote in message news:445-37B9B887-61@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > You could move your bees now. In addition to screening I would make sure > boxes are secure with staples and /or straps. Keep cracks between boxes > to a minimum so bees don't fly out. Secure the boxes to the bed of the > pick-up or trailer. Cool conditions are best. > > I think the best idea would be to close up the hives early in the > evening, load them (with help of course) and make a bee line to your new > destination and immediately unload and unscreen the entrance. This may > be a little tough on the sleeping schedule but there are some good > benefits. By starting in the early evening, you can capture just about > all your bees and traveling during the night will keep the bees cooler. > During the day, there is a chance of the hives overheating. > From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 22 05:15:52 EDT 1999 Article: 20385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:02:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7pgoan$33i$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> <7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7pfe40$bnd$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7pfirh$dm3$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-46.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 935060631 3186 62.136.16.174 (19 Aug 1999 11:03:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 1999 11:03:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20385 > >> > >> Especially the story of St. Andrew the patron saint of > >> beekeepers. > > >Can you tell us more about that, Greg? > > >Mary Yes, and thanks for that very useful listing, but what I meant was the story about St Andrew, as patron saint of beekeepers. Mary > From adamf@radix.net Sun Aug 22 05:15:53 EDT 1999 Article: 20386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: 19 Aug 1999 05:48:30 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:167347 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:166 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20386 In article <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: >adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > >It's the grand design - reproduce the DNA. If the colony is >going to die - produce drones to pass on the DNA. >Everything a bee does is for the grand design. That is why >nurse bees treat their more closly related larva better than >the others. Sounds like Dawkins. Sadly, even though the concept is elegant, personifying or determinizing (sp) selection to have a "drive" or a "force" just does not work empirically and philosophically. Example: If DNA drove the selection, than there would be no organisms that would go extinct via competition, right? Since all DNA is the same, all organisms would do well via natural selection. Nurse bees do not prefer kin larva to other larva in the latest block of published research. M. Breed in fact, has published that there is _not_ any definitive kin selection driving honey bees. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From barry@birkey.com Sun Aug 22 05:15:53 EDT 1999 Article: 20387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sounds of bees *don't laugh* Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:23:58 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20387 More than likely the "bees" will find another way out with the route possibly including the interior of your house. Never a good idea to seal in a nest of bees that are in a cavity of your house. -Barry ---------- In article , "Olivia543" wrote: > attic.....a really big cat, this is quite loud. Can I seal off the > opening to the hive? Will that kill the bees inside, or will they just > find another way out of the hive. From repbees@my-deja.com Sun Aug 22 05:15:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving hives short distances Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:45:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7pgu94$ovp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.192.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 19 12:45:27 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 4.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.192.188 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20388 I have several hives in two different locations, both locations are about 3-400 yards from another location I would like to use as a permanent one for all my hives. My question is: When is the best time to move them to the new permanent location & how do I go about it? I have heard the rule of thumb "2 feet or 2 miles" but have seen nothing to address my problem. Any help will be sincerely appreciated. I also am in the future going to follow Pete's advice and standardize my whole operation further by using two medium supers for the brood portion of the hive instead of one deep super, thus using all medium supers for both the hive bodies and honey supers- makes sense to me! Thank you in advance for all your comments- This neophyte needs help, and i appreciate all of you !!! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From prw3@york.ac.uk Sun Aug 22 05:15:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: paul waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solitary bees Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:01:02 -0700 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 8 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <37BC708E.67935693@york.ac.uk> References: <7osn9q$oee$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 935071263 10929 144.32.212.17 (19 Aug 1999 14:01:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 1999 14:01:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20389 Peter Edwards wrote: > > Does anyone know of books on solitary bees - preferably of the UK? > > I have tried IBRA but they have nothing. > > I know of an old book by Shuckard but there are very few copies around and > there seem to be no modern ones. From prw3@york.ac.uk Sun Aug 22 05:15:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: paul waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:48:14 -0700 Organization: The University of York, UK Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <37BC354E.D3F316A3@york.ac.uk> References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> <7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7pfgk0$pko$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 935056095 1326 144.32.212.17 (19 Aug 1999 09:48:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 1999 09:48:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win16; I) Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20390 > honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > > Try the bible! > > If it's Bible stories about bees/ honey that catch your interest, don't > skip past the book of Judges chapter 14, which tells of Samson killing a > lion with his bare hands. When he passes by the remains a year later, a > colony of bees have taken up housekeeping in the skeleton. Hi All, Thanks for the replies so far, tis enough to keep me occupied when I get bored and fancy looking elsewhere in the Library.... I'd forgotten about the Samson story.... It is the emblem for a large suger refining company in the U.K called Tate & Lyle.... Their tins of 'golden syrup' have a deceased lion with bees around it with the words "Out of the strong came forth sweetness"... Paul. From mister-t@zzclinic.net Sun Aug 22 05:15:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37BC070E.ECB89B0@zzclinic.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:30:54 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: repbees@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances References: <7pgu94$ovp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p2-49.clinic.net X-Trace: 19 Aug 1999 09:28:17 EST, d-p2-49.clinic.net Lines: 25 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.156.97.247!News.Destek.net!d-p2-49.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20391 Depends on where you are located, but if in the north where the bees button up for the winter, wait till then, then move them to the new location. Moving bees when they are flying is where the problem is. When they are in for the winter, should be no problem. If you are in a warm climate where the bees fly all the time, then there is a tedious method which works if you have a few hives. Main problem is forager bees. They will com eback to the old location. Put bait hives at the location and keep carting bees to the new location. Eventually they will get the picture, but will take a while. Waiting till winter is easiest. Bill T Bath, MNE repbees@my-deja.com wrote: > > I have several hives in two different locations, both locations are > about 3-400 yards from another location I would like to use as a > permanent one for all my hives. My question is: When is the best time > to move them to the new permanent location & how do I go about it? I > have heard the rule of thumb "2 feet or 2 miles" but have seen nothing > to address my problem. Any help will be sincerely appreciated -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From rebonney@javanet.com Sun Aug 22 05:15:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Honey in Folklore Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:17:34 -0500 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37BC3C2B.2F44@javanet.com> References: <37B99C62.54B72167@york.ac.uk> <7pcoei$16a$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7pfe40$bnd$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7pfirh$dm3$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgoan$33i$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pIv1I4p0hXDl7iz1sE8QSLu+RKhMt14/apE8M7FhVwE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 1999 16:14:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20392 I have found interesting tidbits about bees in various books about "superstitions". I can not give any titles, it was too long ago, but I know that I found several such books at the University library. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 22 05:15:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: poison here poison there Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37bc348b.7645822@news.cidial.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 63 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:25:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.12 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935083800 38.11.203.12 (Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:30:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:30:00 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20393 This morning a plane was spraying mesquite (a principal nectar source) along the breaks of a canyon (34.94N X 101.69W) in which I have 20 hives of bees. Up until this moment, it had been a record year for honey and it looked good for a second harvest after the goldenrod. Now I'm not so sure. With no warning to me, the local rancher, a well known asshole, arial sprayed this beautiful area. Georgia O'keeffe mentioned it in her diary. Because of the extra rain, more mixed acacias, wild flowers, particularly horse mint, and cactus, have bloomed this year than ever before. This morning this plane made several passes over the spot these hives were located. The plane was spraying a "remedy" and "Reclaim" mixture. I don't know what this crap does to bees or other creatures like the beekeeper, but I've ask the applicator to send me the "MSDS" sheets on these products. I called the Agriculture Department, in Amarillo, Texas they were next to useless. (everyone was out, excepting the secretary who was ignorant) I then called my County Agent, (Randall County) another pointless gesture. This person knew at least something about "the product" he "thought" since it was a "herbicide" it might be harmless to bees, although he thought it had a "warning" for mammals and fish. He didn't or wouldn't say much. I finally called the Applicator (arial sprayer) after getting this information from the rancher, which was not a pleasant task, and the applicator's wife answered the phone and didn't know anything (much) but said she would send the "MSDS" sheets I requested, and would have her husband call me when he got in. (he's the pilot) She then went on to say that she thought "it" was pretty safe as he was using his granddaughter on the ground to flag the spraying progress. I thought to myself, yes, have you ever read a book called "A thousand Acres" that's all about modern farmers and their attitude to chemicals. They have a high rate of cancer within their own communities, and this includes their children too. I think they don't care, it's all bullshit, and I'm really angry. I would be interested in anyone with these .edu addresses or otherwise comfortable academic authorities to make a stand. Why is it we live in a country where the meat packers can inspect their own meat and county agents can be sales reps. for Dow Chemical? Just give me an opinion on this stuff (remedy and reclaim) and it's effects on flying bees and stored honey. How about the goddamn truth for once? Bastards to hell, all these destroyers: Dow, Dupont, Monsanto, reap the whirlwind. Charles Kroeger - We must have a political state powerful enough to deal with corporate wealth, but how are we going to keep that state with its augmenting power from being captured by the force we want it to control? Vernon Louis Parrington From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Aug 22 05:15:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poison here poison there Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Aug 1999 19:22:05 GMT References: <37bc348b.7645822@news.cidial.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990819152205.14083.00001120@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20394 > "remedy" and "Reclaim" mixture. I don't http://www.cdms.net/manuf/1prod.asp?manuf=11&pd=2521 The above is the direct link to one of those with the other on that page, keep this address as it is one of the most important beekeepers can have. Its the CDMS product Label page Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dtaylor1@unl.edu Sun Aug 22 05:15:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!newspump.wustl.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!ent-dtaylor From: dtaylor1@unl.edu (David Taylor) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poison here poison there Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:23:13 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska-Lincoln Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7pi06g$8ap$1@unlnews.unl.edu> References: <37bc348b.7645822@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ent-dtaylor.unl.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20395 Toxicological information on most agricultural chemicals are available at: http://ace.orst.edu/info/extoxnet/ghindex.html Remedy is Triclopyr. The pesticide information profile: http://ace.orst.edu/cgi-bin/mfs/01/pips/triclopy.htm indicates that Triclorpyr is nontoxic to bees. Reclaim is Tebuthiuron http://ace.orst.edu/cgi-bin/mfs/01/pips/tebuthiu.htm Slightly toxic to bees, LD50 of 30 mg / bee. David Taylor dtaylor1@unl.edu From shuston@riverace.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen piping, one more time Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:17:03 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 40 Message-ID: <37BC906F.BEEB4AE8@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UP9dbF85W3vyGC9YN8D0igwwzVNzp7XCOnKiSL7tJbA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Aug 1999 23:17:04 GMT To: libbee@email.msn.com X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20396 I found this string in the archives at deja.com, including: > > > >The noise was a sort of high-pitched chirp. > > > This is the sound a queen makes to get the other queens ,,still inside their > cells to click like her so she can kill them. Let's see if we can keep this from degenerating like that thread did, hmmm? ;-) I've been keeping a nuc for a while. It's gotten a little crowded, so I moved those 4 frames to a new, 10-frame hive body today. During the move, I put a packet of Mite-a-Thol on the new bottom board (still over 80 most days here in southern MA) and 2 Apistan strips. All went well. I think. About a half hour later, things were quieted down near the hive, so I just sat next to it for a while, watching. I started hearing "chirps" >from inside. I looked it up in The Hive and the Honey Bee, and found "piping" and "quacking" - it seems more like piping. The book discussed this as part of a discussion of swarm preparation. I looked over the frames during the transfer, and saw no queen cells. This is a new queen, introduced a while ago (when I stole a few frames >from another hive to start the nuc). Does anyone know another reason I would hear piping? Or am I looking at a near-term swarm possibility? Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From calin@ozemail.com.au Sun Aug 22 05:16:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!ozemail.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sounds of bees *don't laugh* Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:03:12 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <37BC9B40.61DD213B@ozemail.com.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 935107383 10190 203.63.79.234 (20 Aug 1999 00:03:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 1999 00:03:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20397 They probably are bees. During the day the bees gather nectar (with a very high water content) form the flowers. The first step to converting this to honey is to dry off the water. They do this by fanning a lot of air around the nest. Thousands of the bees grab hold of firm foundation with the legs and start beating their wings. This is called fanning. Bees in one part of the nest will fan in the same direction. Bees on the other side fan in the opposite direction. this gets the air circulating around the nest. They also have bees at the entrance. At on side they fan fresh air into the nest, on the other fan stale high out of the nest. While fanning is in progress, other bees are at the cells that have just been filled with fresh (watery) nectar. The pick up drops of nectar on their tongue and hold it in the draft of circulating air to evaporate the water. This continues for several hours until enough water has evaporated. The sound that you hear is the fanning required to process fresh nectar. Beekeepers often hear this sound after dark in their own hives. I like to stand down wind of the fanners and smell the honey as the make it (delicious). I can smell it quite easily from 4 or 5 metres away. I don't know much about the daily routine of wasps but cannot imagine why they would want ot fan at all, especially at night. I have never heard of them doing so. You saw "several go through a small opening in my siding". This phrase can mean different things to different people. Depending on your experience this can mean 10 or 200 insects per minute. Try getting a definite count (per minute). Do this in good weather during the day (in peak hour traffic) In a normal bee colony, you could easily get 100 (or more) per minute which is essentially too many to count. Here in Australia (Sydney), I have never seen a wasp nest with more than 20 flyers per minute. They may different in your country so get an opinion >from the locals (where are you any way?). Have a look at . This is a site I prepared specifically for people like yourself. It will explain the options you have. Olivia543 wrote: > > At night, there is this loud purring sound that I can hear when I stand > in that general vicinity. > > Do bees when inside a hive sound like this. > > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poison here poison there Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37bd9d90.34538337@news.cidial.com> References: <37bc348b.7645822@news.cidial.com> <7pi06g$8ap$1@unlnews.unl.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:22:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.189 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935108838 38.11.203.189 (Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:27:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:27:18 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20398 >Triclorpyr is nontoxic to bees. OK, good. How about mammals and their honey? >Reclaim is Slightly toxic to bees, LD50 of 30 mg / bee. So this means if a bee gets a dose they will be killed on the spot, or die back at the hive? Plus, my big concern is what about the 1500 or so pounds of stored honey I was counting on. What sort of residues and half lives are we talking about here? If any of the vapors from the plane was ventilated into the hive, (screened tops covered with cement slabs with about 1/2" air gap) Is the honey ruined? Charles Kroeger - Crimine ab uno Disce omnes. (from a single crime know the nation) Virgil 70-19 B.C. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Aug 22 05:16:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 or 3 brood boxes Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Aug 1999 01:55:38 GMT References: <14Ku3.638$nq6.54290@news21b.ispnews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990819215538.02299.00001341@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20399 I put up a few hives in each bee yard in 3 deeps here in CT. When I break down my weak and worthless hives I combine their hive bodies with strong hives. Come spring I use these for my earliest splits. I belive the thermal mass of all the extra honey slows down spring buildup because it takes a lot of heat to warm the extra box of honey. The Bees will keep the extra combs free of wax moths for you and that is an advantage. Plus you have extra combs of honey to give hives that are low on stores. But come early spring I would drop back to 2 deeps max. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From darrell@machinemaster.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mites and sticky boards Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:10:09 -0700 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-ELN-Date: 18 Aug 1999 06:06:33 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Aug 17 23:15:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001waolymp157.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <7pdih9$d4$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20400 Where can I get some information on making sticky boards to check for mites? Darrell From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mites and sticky boards Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:58:00 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7pdih9$d4$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> To: Darrell Gehlsen X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 18 Aug 1999 21:02:36 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Aug 18 14:05:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust180.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37BB1E58.6182@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20401 easy. take white posterboard, cut it to size. cut a piece of 1/4 inch hardware cloth twice as big. Fold it in two and slide the poster board into it and put it on the bottom board. Some folks spray it with pam but it is not necessary. It only stays in place for a little while to check the infestation and is removed, cleaned for another use. Don in NCDarrell Gehlsen wrote: > > Where can I get some information on making sticky boards to check for mites? > Darrell From southbee@my-deja.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting time Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:24:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7pil91$1mt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7p1o1n$jj8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.200.161 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 20 04:24:11 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.200.161 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20402 Shelley, Have you been checking your hives for extra honey to extract? My relatives in sw mi have extracted theirs. If you get inserts to put in your inner covers, the bees will exit the super through them and not be able to come back in it after 24 hrs. They are only about $1-2. Groeb's Farms may have them up there. Then you can pull the frames and extract the extra honey. You will need to leave the honey in the brood boxes and in an extra super for the bees for fall. Leave the super boxes on they need for plenty of room, but pull the frames with extra honey, extract it and return the frames to the supers to refill with your fall crop. Seems a bit early to treat the bees. I'm doing it next month. Besides, you don't want to treat until after you've extracted the extra honey so the chemicals don't contaminate it. Sincerely, southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From southbee@my-deja.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Beetles Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:33:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7pilqm$239$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.200.161 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 20 04:33:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.200.161 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20403 Ok, this may open a long thread. Has anyone else had hive beetles in your hives? What has been your experience? I've seen some of them in my hives, but it seems that they are not affecting the bees, but I could be wrong. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Queen piping, one more time Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:08:53 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <000401beeaf4$01aeb820$02000003@allend> References: <37BC906F.BEEB4AE8@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <37BC906F.BEEB4AE8@riverace.com> X-DejaID: _qzBE+KLSRx3VyD3jlWpE8w= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20404 > Does anyone know another reason I would hear piping? Or am I looking at > a near-term swarm possibility? Go to http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html and check out 'piping'. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: mites and sticky boards Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:25:51 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <000501beeaf6$60414fe0$02000003@allend> References: <37BB1E58.6182@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <37BB1E58.6182@earthlink.net> X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6ybN/sJC81CXeAGpClU71sS?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20405 > > Where can I get some information on making sticky boards to check for mites? > > Darrell This year, we used plastic foundation sprayed with Pam & with a piece of 6 mesh hardware cloth on top. Worked well, but then we found no mites. There was all the usual debris though. The nice thing is that this used material we had on hand. I doubt we actually needed the screen due to the dimples in the foundation, but when the cluster is in contact with the floor, the bees will clean it off, and could affect the accuracy. Nonetheless, if you just want to see if you have serious mites, I think just the foundation would work. In a pinch, aluminum window screen would be okay, but some debris and mites would not get through and could remain on top. Once again, though, if 100% accuracy is not required -- and when is it, really? -- here's how to do it with what you have handy. The foundation is stuck in at the entrance so that a little bit still sticks out to grab. No need to sample the entire bottom board area. Assuming you have a large cluster on centre, you'll get 80% or so of the drop on the sheet -- and that'll tell you what you didn't want to know. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From calin@ozemail.com.au Sun Aug 22 05:16:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37BD4393.DCF0B66@ozemail.com.au> From: Chris Allen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: darker honey what happened? References: <83bv3.7774$aX6.20507@news20.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: slsyd52p57.ozemail.com.au X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 935150474 203.108.20.121 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:01:14 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:01:14 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:01:23 +1000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20406 I have seen some very bright yellow honey (and I do mean YELLOW, the colour of fresh urine) and also some BRIGHT GREEN honey. It looked really strange. I asked the apiary officer how this might happen. He said that bees will sometimes collect food colouring agents if the are near a food processing plant. "André Patry" wrote: > hello all, > > After 10 years of beekeeping and always collecting light clear coloured > honey things have changed. 2 of our 3 harvest in July came up a dark amber > couloured honey. I realize that pollen type has an effect on this but why > now after 10 years? We are in in the Canadian shield (south-western Quebec) > and other than small patches of forages, farming is basically non existent > and we realy entirely on wild flowers. Can anyone shed some light on this? > > thanks in advance, > > -- > > André From spcherub@aol.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poison here poison there Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Aug 1999 06:27:54 GMT References: <37bc348b.7645822@news.cidial.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990820022754.04301.00001076@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20407 >This morning a plane was spraying mesquite (a principal nectar source) along >the breaks of a canyon (34.94N X 101.69W) in which I have 20 hives of bees. Of course, if you are the land owner or renter, then in the case of a monetary loss, it seems to me that you would have a good case in court, but then I'm no lawyer, just married to one ;) And above any monetary recompensation, it might make "the bastards" think twice before they haul off and spray that crap all over creation. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetles Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:25:35 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7pjjdd$16dc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7pilqm$239$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-97.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935153901 39340 209.130.165.97 (20 Aug 1999 12:58:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 1999 12:58:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20408 PLEASE do not ignore them! Contact your State Inspector's office immediately. --Busybee southbee@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pilqm$239$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Ok, this may open a long thread. Has anyone else had hive beetles in >your hives? What has been your experience? I've seen some of them in >my hives, but it seems that they are not affecting the bees, but I could >be wrong. > >southbee > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From barry@birkey.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetles Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:02:58 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7pilqm$239$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20409 First, where exactly on this earth do you live? Barry ---------- In article <7pilqm$239$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, southbee@my-deja.com wrote: > Ok, this may open a long thread. Has anyone else had hive beetles in > your hives? What has been your experience? I've seen some of them in > my hives, but it seems that they are not affecting the bees, but I could > be wrong. > > southbee From apatry@sympatico.ca Sun Aug 22 05:16:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: darker honey what happened? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <83bv3.7774$aX6.20507@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:34:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.238.39 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 935148868 206.172.238.39 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:34:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:34:28 EDT Organization: Sympatico Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20410 hello all, After 10 years of beekeeping and always collecting light clear coloured honey things have changed. 2 of our 3 harvest in July came up a dark amber couloured honey. I realize that pollen type has an effect on this but why now after 10 years? We are in in the Canadian shield (south-western Quebec) and other than small patches of forages, farming is basically non existent and we realy entirely on wild flowers. Can anyone shed some light on this? thanks in advance, -- André From nono@nono.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.132.58.119!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: darker honey what happened? From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <83bv3.7774$aX6.20507@news20.bellglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lines: 33 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.64 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935158421 216.98.69.64 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:13:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:13:41 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:13:41 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20411 Look no further than your nectar source as it has probably changed. Have you requeened with a different race of bee? I believe some races prefer or utilize nectar from sources which are not utilized by other races. May have something to do with tongue length. For years I got nothing but dark amber honey and now I'm getting a pale yellow honey. John R. In article <83bv3.7774$aX6.20507@news20.bellglobal.com>, apatry@sympatico.ca says... > >hello all, > >After 10 years of beekeeping and always collecting light clear coloured >honey things have changed. 2 of our 3 harvest in July came up a dark amber >couloured honey. I realize that pollen type has an effect on this but why >now after 10 years? We are in in the Canadian shield (south-western Quebec) >and other than small patches of forages, farming is basically non existent >and we realy entirely on wild flowers. Can anyone shed some light on this? > >thanks in advance, > >-- > >André > > From nono@nono.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gate.bCandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sounds of bees *don't laugh* From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 28 Message-ID: <5vdv3.117$J3.11327@news21b.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.64 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935158849 216.98.69.64 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:20:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:20:49 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:20:49 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20412 If they are yellow jackets then do nothing. They will die out when the weather turns cold this fall. Find out what they are first and then let us know. John R. In article , Olivia723@hotmail.com says... > >I think I have a bee hive in the attic of my house, where the eve meets >the outside wall. At night, there is this loud purring sound that I >can hear when I stand in that general vicinity. I wasn't too sure what >it was until tonite, I was outside, and looked up and there were many >yellow jackets or bees of some type flying around, and I watched >several go through a small opening in my siding. Do bees when inside a >hive sound like this. I swear, I thought a cat had gotten into the >attic.....a really big cat, this is quite loud. Can I seal off the >opening to the hive? Will that kill the bees inside, or will they just >find another way out of the hive. Or would I be better off to call an >exterminator....any ideas....what a question to ask of people who >obviously like bees. >-- >Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com >Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From nono@nono.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 33 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.64 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935160163 216.98.69.64 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:42:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:42:43 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:42:43 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20413 I have had some luck with laying workers by doing the following: Take the entire hive off it's stand and carry it about 50 yards away. Dump the bees in some tall grass and brush all the bees off the combs. Then return the empty hive and combs to the original stand and put a caged queen inside. Most of the field bees will return to the hive. The laying workers supposedly will never have been out of the hive and will get lost in the grass. With the laying workers gone the bees will accept the new queen but keep her caged for a 5 to 7 days before letting her loose. John R. In article , corncob@nospam.techline.com says... > >Hi All, > >I suspect I have laying workers in one of my hives. Many small drones and >capped drone cells. The hive was still strong so I requeened. Can I expect >the laying workers to die off in a few weeks or will I need to find and >remove them. Thanks. > >Kyle > >-- >Jen & Kyle Phillips >corncob@techline.com > > From nono@nono.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees in my exterior house wall From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37B8A187.C235B2C@ozemail.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3Gdv3.152$J3.11327@news21b.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.64 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935159551 216.98.69.64 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:32:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:32:31 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:32:31 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20414 Honey bees in a wall can be a real problem. My grandmothers house had honey bees in between the walls. Some guy came in and sprayed something which killed the bees. Guess what happened next? The wax worms took over and began riddling the combs. Soon there was honey running down between the walls and making a giant mess and causing "honey damage". If you get rid of the bees you really need to put a hive next to the wall and encourage the bees to rob out the honey. Once all the honey has been robbed then seal up the holes and cracks where the bees where going in. John R. In article , timmarks@iquest.net says... > >Chris, > >Thanks for the response. Looks like I should just leave them. >I don't think they have been here long. Some say that late summer >swarms won't survive the winter anyway??? > >If they do survive the winter, I suppose they won't be any harder to remove >next year than now, right? > >Tim > >Chris Allen wrote in message >news:37B8A187.C235B2C@ozemail.com.au... >> Have a look at www.freeyellow.com/mebmers4/challen >> This site will give you some useful background to your problem >> >> Tim Marks wrote: >> >> > I just noticed that I have honey bees in the exterior wall of my house. >> > >> > I don't know how long they've been there. I bought this house only a >> > few months back. >> > >> > How can I get rid of the bees? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Tim >> > > From hgbcpa@nospam.att.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: darker honey what happened? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:04:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7pkcco$drm$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <83bv3.7774$aX6.20507@news20.bellglobal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.104.118 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 935179480 14198 12.73.104.118 (20 Aug 1999 20:04:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 1999 20:04:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20415 Good question. Last year harvested honey was almost color of molasses. It had a very rich strong flavor. I queried local master beekeeper and he stated he hadn't seen anything like it. This year, same bees, same locations and the honey is golden yellow. I'm still trying to figure this one out. The most plentiful nectar source last year and this was blackberries. Other beekeepers in the area are getting the same high quality honey. H. Bowles André Patry wrote in message <83bv3.7774$aX6.20507@news20.bellglobal.com>... >hello all, > >After 10 years of beekeeping and always collecting light clear coloured >honey things have changed. 2 of our 3 harvest in July came up a dark amber >couloured honey. I realize that pollen type has an effect on this but why >now after 10 years? We are in in the Canadian shield (south-western Quebec) >and other than small patches of forages, farming is basically non existent >and we realy entirely on wild flowers. Can anyone shed some light on this? > >thanks in advance, > >-- > >André > > From buzz@apiary.org Sun Aug 22 05:16:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!edrn From: Beekeeper Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: 20 Aug 1999 13:24:57 -0700 Organization: Beekeeper United Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-663.newsdawg.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14175 alt.non.sequitur:64482 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20416 In article <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net>, mica@thegrid.net says... > >Olivia543 wrote: > >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a loud >>purring sound. > >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made more of a loud >rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. > >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in >>one specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early in the >>morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. > >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, you most >likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. > >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my siding. >>My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would think a noise this >>loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), would require a >>large hive. > >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that even a hive >of just one happy kitty can be very loud. > >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I think you >should look again. You probably just imagined it. > >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling fans. >>Seems we would have seen some activity. > >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power tools. > >>Any ideas? > >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. > >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? > >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said seems to >indicate that you have bees. > >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >Please be kind. if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i know some people who are into that sort of thing From mica@thegrid.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Lines: 53 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:49:36 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.44.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935185999 209.162.44.66 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:53:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:53:19 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14191 alt.non.sequitur:64498 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20417 Beekeeper wrote: > mica@thegrid.net says... > > > >Olivia543 wrote: > > > >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a loud > >>purring sound. > > > >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made more of a loud > >rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. > > > >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in > >>one specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early in the > >>morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. > > > >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, you most > >likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. > > > >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my siding. > >>My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would think a noise this > >>loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), would require a > >>large hive. > > > >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that even a hive > >of just one happy kitty can be very loud. > > > >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I think you > >should look again. You probably just imagined it. > > > >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling fans. > >>Seems we would have seen some activity. > > > >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power tools. > > > >>Any ideas? > > > >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. > > > >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? > > > >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said seems to > >indicate that you have bees. > > > >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > > > >Please be kind. > > if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i know some > people who are into that sort of thing how is the used bee market? From apatry@sympatico.ca Sun Aug 22 05:16:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.i1.net!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!fu-berlin.de!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "André Patry" From: "André Patry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: darker honey Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:03:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.238.73 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 935183000 206.172.238.73 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:03:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:03:20 EDT Organization: Sympatico Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20418 I just recalled that a nearby field (about 50 acres) has planted oats for the first time in about 15 year, which was only forages from then on. Anyone know if oat pollen gives honey a darker colour? -- André From preacherc@cvalley.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question of requeening Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:38:43 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h4-24.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 935184979 24345 208.220.141.24 (20 Aug 1999 21:36:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Aug 1999 21:36:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20419 I just read something about requeening. ANd the question is this, is it ok to requeen with aspitan strips in . This person posed it is wrong to. can you help me? I have 4 queens on the way for requeening, and have my aspitan strips in. preacher From jrmars@tricon.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gate.bCandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.90 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935183844 216.98.71.90 (Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:17:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:17:24 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:17:24 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20420 I have several partially filled frames of honey that I want a particular colony to rob out as they will need it this winter. I don't want the other colonies to get in on the feast. How can I restrict the robbing to this one colony? I vaguely remember something about putting the frames in a super and setting it on top of the hive with just a small hole for the bees to crawl through. Does that sound right? John R. From southbee@my-deja.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetles Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:35:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7pkvo7$oe9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7pilqm$239$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.99 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 21 01:35:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.99 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20421 Barry, Florida. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From southbee@my-deja.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetles Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:38:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7pkvu4$om1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7pilqm$239$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7pjjdd$16dc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.99 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 21 01:38:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.99 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20422 Busybee, I have only seen a few at a time and destroy them when I can catch them. The inspector is aware of it. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Aug 1999 04:09:01 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990821000901.09847.00002026@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20423 I recently read a trick in an old 1950s beekeeping book by a Scottish beekeeper who recommends that if your bees plug up the frames with honey in the spring in such a way that it creates a barrier to expanding the broodnest, the beekeeper can take a cappings scratcher and open up the honey caps. All that leaking honey will draw the bees to it, and they will take it and restore it higher up (or use it for their own consumption), thereby making room for more brood. Perhaps you could use the same trick on your partially filled frames. Place the super over the inner cover and then scratch off the cappings. The raw leaking honey will draw the bees, who would carry the honey back down to where the nest is. John From corncob@nospam.techline.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Corncob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:08:20 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20424 Thanks John, That sounds pretty drastic but I can see your logic. I've already combined it with another hive but I'll remember your advice if I ever have this problem again. Thanks. Kyle John R. wrote in message news:DPdv3.187$J3.11327@news21b.ispnews.com... > I have had some luck with laying workers by doing the following: Take > the entire hive off it's stand and carry it about 50 yards away. Dump > the bees in some tall grass and brush all the bees off the combs. Then > return the empty hive and combs to the original stand and put a caged > queen inside. Most of the field bees will return to the hive. The > laying workers supposedly will never have been out of the hive and will > get lost in the grass. With the laying workers gone the bees will accept > the new queen but keep her caged for a 5 to 7 days before > letting her loose. > > John R. > > > In article , > corncob@nospam.techline.com says... > > > >Hi All, > > > >I suspect I have laying workers in one of my hives. Many small drones > and > >capped drone cells. The hive was still strong so I requeened. Can I > expect > >the laying workers to die off in a few weeks or will I need to find and > >remove them. Thanks. > > > >Kyle > > > >-- > >Jen & Kyle Phillips > >corncob@techline.com > > > > > From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!207.114.4.11!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-103.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:00:02 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.67 X-Server-Date: 21 Aug 1999 05:03:59 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20425 Kevin I don't know much about the legalities, but damn I'm a fighter and I'd hold his feet to the fire. I might've thought differently if he'd acted like he gave a hoot in hell about you or your business, but clearly he doesn't. So much for being neighborly. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From timdreste@brick.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!cyclone.i1.net!news1.i1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37BE3C05.A6617FFD@brick.net> From: Tim Dreste X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:41:25 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.178.8.176 X-Trace: news1.i1.net 935213614 216.178.8.176 (Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:33:34 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:33:34 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20426 Put the frames in a super, and place it over your inner cover, with your telescoping cover on top the super. The bees will go thru the hole in the inner cover and bring it down below. John wrote: > I have several partially filled frames of honey that I want a particular > colony to rob out as they will need it this winter. I don't want the > other colonies to get in on the feast. How can I restrict the robbing > to this one colony? I vaguely remember something about putting the > frames in a super and setting it on top of the hive with just a small > hole for the bees to crawl through. Does that sound right? > > John R. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Aug 22 05:16:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cats and Bees Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Aug 1999 10:56:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990821065658.21815.00002594@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20427 Since cats help keep the mice outa our hives, thought i'd offer some money saving info on taking care a tom's business. For many years we have enjoyed the benefit of having cats around.Hardly ever do we have a mouse in the winter anymore. The only problem has been in overpopulation of cats. I got ta thinking on this a few years back and after finding out that the vet was gonna charge $50 bucks a pop to casturate them I figured that if i could do pigs then why not cats. My beginning research turned up that you can not use " Pinee livestock prep" on cats , but you can use pure "Pinee oil". Something to do with the chemical make up. And regular "Bactine" or " Sulphadene " should be sprayed on once a day for a week after the procedure to prevent any infection. DO NOT DO THIS WITHOUT HELP OR IF YOU HAVE NO EXPERIANCE WITH PIGS/CATTLE ETC. !!!!!!!!!!!! This is a perfectly simple live stock management procedure, I do not suggest it to pet owners or the like. Take a sock , athletic type not too thick, cut a small hole in the toe ,large enough to access the testicles with the tail pulled through, slip the sock over the cat down to the neck, secure the sock with a safety pin or hemastats., hold the cats tail near the root, pinch up a testicle in the usual manner, make a VERY SMALL inscision,express the testicle, cut the leaders, fill the hole with pinee oil ( I use a 1 cc syringe without the needle,fits just right) Repete the process for the other side. The Pinee oil will pucker the leaders but if ya happen to have any bleeding just apply pressure for a min or two. The cuts must be very tiny, this prevents infection and bleeding. Use of new fresh razor blade is essential, Those little knives aint worth it, I have found them to be not sharp enough. Soon as you are through, get the sock off so the cat don't get too hot, best to keep him indoors for a fer hours so you can make sure he don't bleed much. Again spray the area with Bactine a couple a times a day and he'll be healed up in about a week. I don't suggest this with full grown cats unless ya got plenty of hlp but the procedure works great for 4-6 month old toms. Later Ya'll Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news0.de.colt.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!do.de.uu.net!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cats and Bees Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:06:01 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 29 Message-ID: <37BEB248.60F6CD53@valley.net> References: <19990821065658.21815.00002594@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20428 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > Since cats help keep the mice outa our hives, thought i'd offer some money > saving info on taking care a tom's business. > > > I don't suggest this with full grown cats unless ya got plenty of hlp but the > procedure works great for 4-6 month old toms. > > Later Ya'll > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC well, it was a rainy morning, so i thought i'd sit down with a cup of tea and a little breakfast and check out the group, before the day's business. i ain't hungry now. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From gmt@crosslink.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.crosslink.net!206.246.124.71.MISMATCH!mojo.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37BEC3AD.360C@crosslink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:20:13 -0400 From: "LINWOOD E. GREEN" Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net Organization: GREEN MACHINE & TOOL, INC. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone Death Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.199.168.86 X-Trace: mojo.crosslink.net 935248541 14671 207.199.168.86 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20429 Hello, Here it is the last few days of august, and I have started to notice drones being harassed by workers, is this the time of year the drones are forced out of hive? I have also noticed some pupa ejected from the hive onto a small piece of plywood placed in front of hive to catch just such things,(maybe 1 or 2 pupa per day). Can anyone tell me if this is normal?This is my first year beekeeping These are Buckfast bees and my area is 50 miles south of Wash.D.C.. Thanks LEG. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:26:34 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: To: jrmars@tricon.net X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 21 Aug 1999 10:31:11 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Aug 21 03:35:12 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust235.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37BE7EDA.6B33@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20430 Put it on the bottom. The bees will move it up. Don John wrote: > > I have several partially filled frames of honey that I want a particular > colony to rob out as they will need it this winter. I don't want the > other colonies to get in on the feast. How can I restrict the robbing > to this one colony? I vaguely remember something about putting the > frames in a super and setting it on top of the hive with just a small > hole for the bees to crawl through. Does that sound right? > > John R. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 22 05:16:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: darker honey Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:55:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7pmqae$5t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-106.hydrazine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 935259278 6056 62.136.71.234 (21 Aug 1999 18:14:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 1999 18:14:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20431 André Patry wrote in message ... >I just recalled that a nearby field (about 50 acres) has planted oats for >the first time in about 15 year, which was only forages from then on. > >Anyone know if oat pollen gives honey a darker colour? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Could be honeydew. From amschelp@pe.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cats and Bees Message-ID: References: <19990821065658.21815.00002594@ng-fm1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.33 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 935259228 216.100.16.33 (Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:13:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:13:48 EDT Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:19:20 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20432 Big Johnson, now I know for sure that you're a country boy! In article <19990821065658.21815.00002594@ng-fm1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com says... > Since cats help keep the mice outa our hives, thought i'd offer some money > saving info on taking care a tom's business. > > For many years we have enjoyed the benefit of having cats around.Hardly ever do > we have a mouse in the winter anymore. The only problem has been in > overpopulation of cats. I got ta thinking on this a few years back and after > finding out that the vet was gonna charge $50 bucks a pop to casturate them I > figured that if i could do pigs then why not cats. > My beginning research turned up that you can not use " Pinee livestock prep" on > cats , but you can use pure "Pinee oil". Something to do with the chemical make > up. And regular "Bactine" or " Sulphadene " should be sprayed on once a day for > a week after the procedure to prevent any infection. > > DO NOT DO THIS WITHOUT HELP OR IF YOU HAVE NO EXPERIANCE WITH PIGS/CATTLE ETC. > !!!!!!!!!!!! > This is a perfectly simple live stock management procedure, I do not suggest it > to pet owners or the like. > > Take a sock , athletic type not too thick, cut a small hole in the toe ,large > enough to access the testicles with the tail pulled through, slip the sock over > the cat down to the neck, secure the sock with a safety pin or hemastats., hold > the cats tail near the root, pinch up a testicle in the usual manner, make a > VERY SMALL inscision,express the testicle, cut the leaders, fill the hole with > pinee oil ( I use a 1 cc syringe without the needle,fits just right) Repete the > process for the other side. > The Pinee oil will pucker the leaders but if ya happen to have any bleeding > just apply pressure for a min or two. > The cuts must be very tiny, this prevents infection and bleeding. > Use of new fresh razor blade is essential, Those little knives aint worth it, I > have found them to be not sharp enough. > Soon as you are through, get the sock off so the cat don't get too hot, best to > keep him indoors for a fer hours so you can make sure he don't bleed much. > Again spray the area with Bactine a couple a times a day and he'll be healed up > in about a week. > I don't suggest this with full grown cats unless ya got plenty of hlp but the > procedure works great for 4-6 month old toms. > > Later Ya'll > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:04:01 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 60 Message-ID: <37c0fc1f.2884491@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20433 Hi, Get a bee suit ? I noticed yesterday, checking my new split for signs of trouble, that it IS very peaceful sitting by the hive, watching the bees come and go around me . But, I'm not one of the masochistic beekeepers who work the bees bare handed . I've got the veil, suit, and I recently, gave up on canvas gloves, after going through three pairs this season, for my tiny amount of beekeeping, and went to the leather gloves . Sissy ? Yup ! But, we all have our own ways . Anyway, bee watching is a valuable asset from beekeeping . Does any bee supply house carry bee-watching tickets on their inventory . Maybe I've invented another addition to our income stream . KEN . On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:24:07 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >>You have to admit that having loads off bees flying around you while >>you are trying to replax in the garden is not the most relaxing way to >>do it? >> >>They do in fact not sting as you have said but they are just a bit >>annoying. >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------- > >You could relax by watching them - beats a fish tank anyday! > RIFF„J From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:04:03 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: <37c1fdd9.3326436@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oden5$o61$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20434 Hi, It's hard to believe, in the Pacific Northwest, where it never stops raining, but potable water is not easy to find, on those rare occasions when the sun comes out enough for the bees to work . Distracting bees away from the house here, was a matter of providing access to clean, clear water, a hundred yards from the house, and giving them easy egress to it and back to the flightways . We used bits of firewood, in it, to keep them from drowning, but the lady's idea about plastic cloth is probably better . We never had trouble with the bees, unless something was wrong with the water for them . A few foragers, yes, but they're preoccupied with their own concerns, and are entertaining to watch . Ken . On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:49:42 -0400, "John" wrote: >Give them something to attract them away from you, Something nice and sweet, >scented etc, >How about some flowers away from you and close to them. > > >Peter Edwards wrote in >message news:7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... >> > RIFF„J From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dang! Don't you hate when that happens! Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:04:04 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 74 Message-ID: <37c3002d.3922396@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7nths0$k6u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37A25BF5.BC32791A@valley.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20435 Hi, This is more serious, than joke, but those inclined to humor can enjoy it too . When I was a kid, I bought the ugliest hunting knife ever made . Paid twenty five dollars for it, in the early sixties . Puma White Hunter . Never took it hunting . But, having it in the way a lot, I've ended up finding it far, and away the most useful makshift "whatever" I bought . For beekeeping, it won't replace a hive tool, but it's hived a swarm, opened hives, trimmed burr comb, scraped propolis, and hacked bramble messes . It's an unlikly beekeeping tool, but it's been a real asset over the years, when another tool of some sort, would have been better, but all I had was the knife . Ken . On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:14:13 -0400, Bill Greenrose wrote: >busybee wrote: > >> Broke a hive tool today while pulling a plugged out yard! => >> >> --Busybee > >that's why i carry two tools. well, no, the real reason is that one has >a wide head, and is good for prying apart boxes, while the other is >narrower and good for scraping top bars, and has a hooked end for prying >up frames. well, no, the REAL reason is that i couldn't decide on which >style to buy, when i first started, so i bought both and just found the >different uses for each over time. now, i can claim another reason. > >bill > >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > RIFF„J From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 22 05:16:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Repeat : Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:03:56 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 79 Message-ID: <37bef8f6.2074932@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7krnl5$aab$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379517b6.477048@news2.i-link-2.net> <37952D7C.A9BCDA4A@valley.net> <3797A958.B6D5ED59@worldnet.att.net> <37abcbfc.7654221@news2.i-link-2.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20436 Hi, I'm beginning to learn, that problems with invaders is a symptom of an under-strength hive . Is it the case, that the hive has too few bees, to nurse the brood, forage for food, AND properly guard the hive ? Something else to consider . Ken . On Sat, 07 Aug 1999 06:14:46 GMT, stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) wrote: >Hi, > > This might not be so hard . > > Just glue a straw, or straws to the screen, >then glue the tubes of screen, and trim, >and pierce where needed . > > My concern would be with how the bees >would clean dead invaders out of the >tubes, in an efficient manner . > >Ken . > > > On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:36:09 GMT, "Gregory D. Mellott" wrote: > >> >>Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message ><3797A958.B6D5ED59@worldnet.att.net>... >>>Having found two queens in one hive a >couple of weeks ago, I moved one >>>of them, along with about four frames >into a separate box and filled out >>>the rest of the box with foundation. >Yesterday, I found a completed wasp >>>nest made of grey mud on one of the >empty frames. Upon cutting open the >>>nest, I found what appeared to be a >single pupa. In another hive, >>>between the inner and outer covers, I >found wasps building two more >>>nests. This colony, too, has a small >population. >>> >>>Bill Greenrose wrote: >> >> >> I have often wondered if using >window screen with a few small holes >>would help a week colony defend itself >better. Perhaps one may even >>modify that so the holes were extended >into tubes of window screen so >>a guard bee might inflict a sting upon >a wasp without getting bitten itself. >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Gregory D. Mellott >> >> RIFF„J From pdillon@club-internet.fr Tue Aug 24 17:18:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: darker honey Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:20:45 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37BF425D.5C018AF6@club-internet.fr> References: <7pmqae$5t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: orleans-1-253.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 935278172 12303 195.36.153.253 (21 Aug 1999 23:29:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 1999 23:29:32 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20437 Does pollen change the final colour of honey? Peter. From pdillon@club-internet.fr Tue Aug 24 17:18:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Death Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:19:06 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37BF41FA.64D3565@club-internet.fr> References: <37BEC3AD.360C@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: orleans-1-253.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 935278074 12303 195.36.153.253 (21 Aug 1999 23:27:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Aug 1999 23:27:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US To: gmt@crosslink.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20438 It happens all over the world when the females realise that they have no further use for the males! Here in the centre of France, the drones are usually ejected from the hives just before the Sunflower honey harvest. On the odd occasion, if the hive is really powerful, the workers will tolerate drones through the winter. Other circumstances where drones are retained may indicate a loss of or failing queen. Ants will clean up the mess!! Peter From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: darker honey what happened? Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37bf572c.37534244@news.cidial.com> References: <83bv3.7774$aX6.20507@news20.bellglobal.com> <37BD4393.DCF0B66@ozemail.com.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 02:02:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.223 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935287588 38.11.203.223 (Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:06:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:06:28 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20439 >I have seen some very bright yellow honey In the Texas Panhandle along canyon breaks, when the prickly pear cactus is blooming, the bees will tumble around in those large blossoms and return to the hive covered in bright yellow pollen. I always thought it had the same effect as saffron on the honey here which can become very yellow. >some BRIGHT GREEN honey I've heard of beekeepers in London, where lots of lyme trees grow, and they produce a greenish coloured honey, but it's never described as bright green. Since I see from your domain, you are from Australia, it can only be the Bright Green Platypus tree, a curious tree which doesn't actually bloom, but has a pouch from whence the bees collect the bright green nectar. A little know fact. Charles Kroeger - Let us begin by committing ourselves to the truth - to see it like it is, and tell it like it is - to find the truth, to speak the truth, and to live the truth. Richard M. Nixon. Accepting the presidential nomination in 1968 From hensler@povn.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37BF6B28.59538DE7@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EpiPen Replacement? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:14:48 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.123 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 935291653 206.107.251.123 (Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:14:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:14:13 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20440 Yo All: Does anybody have any personal experience/knowledge about Proventol (generic name - Albuterol) inhalers as a substitute/replacement for EpiPen injectors for those of us who are bee venom allergic? Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From tenmoku@webtv.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: EpiPen Replacement? Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <16007-37BF81B9-130@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37BF6B28.59538DE7@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAwAlUqFHEaGsKwZQIuM59uQhUbasCFCk1CSXf8DOgwQKVeeTx82KjGVfE Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20441 We just refilled both for our boy today. We use the inhaler to keep air passage ways clear for asthma and the epinephrine for this and other serious side-effects from food allergies and potential stings or bites in an emergency situation. I am no doctor, but I would NEVER rely on the inhaler alone for a potential life-threatening siutation like a bee sting or anaphylactic-type reaction. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thanks for everything! Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 07:49:28 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <37bfaa6c.47510943@news2.i-link-2.net> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20442 Hi, I second that . I split my first year colony a couple of weeks ago, as well as taking two western supers of honey, and giving a full deep super of honey to each half of the split . I'm sure that beginner's luck is a big part of this, but I have no sincere confidence that it could have happened without the advice you're been posting here . Thanks^2 . Ken . On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 02:56:12 GMT, "Jason Wilson" wrote: > >Thank you all for your input and advice. I may catch on to all this >eventually! > >Jason Wilson > >East TN. > RIFF„J From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does mead taste like? Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:11:11 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 46 Message-ID: <37c0ada2.48332895@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20443 Hi, I'm a beer drinker myself, but a good friend of mine's brother is snooty about his wines, and collaborates with a small local vintner to get wines exactly to taste . One time they experimented with "mead", as made by these experienced winemakers . I tasted it, and could not tell the difference between their mead, and their regular grape wines, except a background "creaminess" (?) that I've never experienced in wines before . They only made it once, and never repeated the experience, so it wasn't that wonderful to their standards, but I liked it . For free . Ken . On 07 Aug 1999 23:17:46 GMT, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >Could any body describe to me what mead tastes like? Is it sweet tasting? Does >the local liquor store carry it? Are they likely to say what the heck is that? >What should the answer be? Is there any claimed health benefits from it like >other products of the hive? > >thanks >Al RIFF„J From ernie@nospamwhro.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37BE7EDA.6B33@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01beec7f$a04aa200$39a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:22:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.57 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 935313748 198.76.162.57 (Sun, 22 Aug 1999 05:22:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 05:22:28 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20444 Id have to agree with workerbee. I've tried putting it above an inner cover, and the bees just capped it over and left it up there. If I scratched the cappings and put it on the bottom they cleaned it out. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA workerbee wrote in article <37BE7EDA.6B33@earthlink.net>... > Put it on the bottom. The bees will move it up. From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: EpiPen Replacement? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Aug 1999 14:13:48 GMT References: <37BF6B28.59538DE7@povn.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990822101348.02299.00002623@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20445 >Does anybody have any personal experience/knowledge about Proventol >(generic name - Albuterol) inhalers as a substitute/replacement for >EpiPen injectors for those of us who are bee venom allergic? > NEGATIVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! former paramedic here ya know, albuterol is in no way a replacement for epi in the treatment of anaphylaxis. Now you must understand that true anaphy/shock/reaction is DEADLY. Now a bad reaction to multiple stings ( swelling at the site/severe pain ) can be helped by benadryl gel caps, just cut it open and squeeze the liquid under the tongue, works relative quick. But if you have a reaction that includes trouble breathing, immediate swelling of the neck etc, You better have some epi !!!!!! Stick yourself then call 911 cause that one stick might not be enough . Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Tue Aug 24 17:18:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:27:46 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 36 Message-ID: <935328441.750398@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <7pgu94$ovp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37BC070E.ECB89B0@zzclinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-55.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20446 Possibly the easiest and quickest way is to do two moves firstly, a distance of at least 3 miles (as they fly) from the present location, leave 'em for 3 - 5 days then bring them back to where you want them -- Barry Metz Bill Truesdell wrote in message news:37BC070E.ECB89B0@zzclinic.net... > Depends on where you are located, but if in the north where the > bees button up for the winter, wait till then, then move them to > the new location. > Moving bees when they are flying is where the problem is. When > they are in for the winter, should be no problem. > If you are in a warm climate where the bees fly all the time, > then there is a tedious method which works if you have a few > hives. Main problem is forager bees. They will com eback to the > old location. Put bait hives at the location and keep carting > bees to the new location. Eventually they will get the picture, > but will take a while. Waiting till winter is easiest. > Bill T > Bath, MNE > > repbees@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > I have several hives in two different locations, both locations are > > about 3-400 yards from another location I would like to use as a > > permanent one for all my hives. My question is: When is the best time > > to move them to the new permanent location & how do I go about it? I > > have heard the rule of thumb "2 feet or 2 miles" but have seen nothing > > to address my problem. Any help will be sincerely appreciated > > -- > If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From mdsmedia@mediacom.it Tue Aug 24 17:18:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.nettuno.it!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail From: "maui" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Horse Site Quarter Horses and Reining Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:24:02 +0200 Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7pomvf$kch$1@fe2.cs.interbusiness.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.184.0.173 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20447 Visit the great site of the europe Reining All information arround the world www.euroreining.com From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Tue Aug 24 17:18:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Death Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:33:27 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <935328782.345548@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <37BEC3AD.360C@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-55.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20448 If it is late summer or autumn there then it's pretty normal to find the drone's being pushed out, don't know about the pupae though it sounds more serious -- Barry Metz LINWOOD E. GREEN wrote in message news:37BEC3AD.360C@crosslink.net... > Hello, > Here it is the last few days of august, and I have started to notice > drones being harassed by workers, is this the time of year the drones > are forced out of hive? I have also noticed some pupa ejected from the > hive onto a small piece of plywood placed in front of hive to catch just > such things,(maybe 1 or 2 pupa per day). > Can anyone tell me if this is normal?This is my first year beekeeping > These are Buckfast bees and my area is 50 miles south of Wash.D.C.. > Thanks > LEG. From repbees@my-deja.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A sincere "Thanks" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:31:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7ppc6b$i0o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.200.51 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 22 17:31:55 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 4.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.200.51 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20449 I just want to take a moment to say "Thank you" to all of you knowlegable folks who share your thoughts and experience with all the "New to Bees" people like me, here in the forum. You perhaps don't realize what a valuable storehouse of knowlege you possess, and how helpful and kind it is of you to share it. I just drink in each bit, and learn something new each time I log on- so once again "Thank you" and please keep it up !! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ðÒÏÄÁÀ íåä × îÉËÏÌÁÅ×Å (õËÒÁÉÎÁ)... Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37c0415c.6682199@news.cidial.com> References: <7poln1$bf$1@merryer.comcent.nikolaev.ua> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 29 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:38:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.36 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935347395 38.11.203.36 (Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:43:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:43:15 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20450 Hey Dude, I hate to have to break it to you like this, but you ain't using any kind of fonts I can decode. I take it you are using Cyrillic? Is Ukrainian what we used to call Russian? Your cross post to Western Latin character based e-mail and news readers looks like this: > ðÒÏÄÁÍ 4 ÔÏÎÎÙ ÍÅÄÁ ÜÔÏÇÏ ÇÏÄÁ ÐÏ $1,2 ÚÁ ËÇ. íÅÄ ÎÁÈÏÄÉÔÓÑ × >îÉËÏÌÁÅ×Å (õËÒÁÉÎÁ). îÅÏÂÈÏÄÉÍÁ ×ÏÚ×ÒÁÔÎÁÑ ÔÁÒÁ. > ú×ÏÎÉÔØ (0512) 323976 That probably looks good to you but garbage to me. Charles Kroeger (\ {|||8- Coyote Apiary Rt.2 box 262 Canyon, TX. 79015, USA (/ From @pobox.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net!not-for-mail From: "afnl" <@pobox.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37BE7EDA.6B33@earthlink.net> <01beec7f$a04aa200$39a24cc6@default> Subject: Re: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:55:57 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.181.86.149 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 935351824 209.181.86.149 (Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:57:04 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:57:04 CDT Organization: U S WEST Interprise Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20451 I'm a newbee (no pun intended) and a new beekeeper. When you say "bottom", do you mean under the brood boxes? If so, how do you stop them from converting it to a brood chamber? An excluder? Thanks in advance. Ernie Scofield wrote in message news:01beec7f$a04aa200$39a24cc6@default... > Id have to agree with workerbee. I've tried putting it above an inner > cover, and the bees just capped it over and left it up there. If I > scratched the cappings and put it on the bottom they cleaned it out. > -- > Ernie Scofield > Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > > workerbee wrote in article > <37BE7EDA.6B33@earthlink.net>... > > Put it on the bottom. The bees will move it up. > From gfdavis@usit.net Article: 20452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 9 frame extractor Message-ID: <37c08977.9331611@nntp.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:44:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 935365451 216.80.168.216 (Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:44:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:44:11 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20452 I am looking for a 9 frame extractor or larger. Please send email if you can help me. GD From gfdavis@usit.net Article: 20453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: performance of deluxe 9 frame hand extractor Message-ID: <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:59:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 935366372 216.80.168.216 (Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:59:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:59:32 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20453 I would like to know how much time it takes to extract with this machine and how many times you have to stop and turn frames. this is the extractor from Brushy Mt. gd From lithar@midwest.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!falcon.america.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: performance of deluxe 9 frame hand extractor Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:15:27 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <37C0A0AF.5936@midwest.net> References: <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20454 gfdavis@usit.net wrote: > > I would like to know how much time it takes to extract with > this machine and how many times you have to stop and turn frames. > this is the extractor from Brushy Mt. > gd The 9 frame extractor from Brushy Mtn can handle 9 med frames or 3 deep frames.If you are extracting medium supers you don't have to stop to reposition the frames - just load up and spin away. If you extract 9" frames you'll have to install the baskets (included), spin out one side, stop & reverse the frames then spin out the other side. It doesn't take long, maybe 5 - 10 min. to spin out 9 frames, but I kinda like to see how fast I can make it go:) The Brushy Mtn machine is Italian made if memory serves me right, and it is very well made - I'd recommend it. The one thing I don't understand is the incredible jump in price for the same machine with a motor. AL From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wax production Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Aug 1999 14:04:53 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990823100453.26208.00002005@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20455 In operating bee hive how much wax is typically harvested in normal operations. If a L.H. produces 200lbs in honey annually how much wax is harvested as a byproduct. Do beekeepers operate to in such a way to get their desired balance in wax/ honey production. Thanks Al From michel_crichton@mitel.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding bees over winter Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:16:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:16:59 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20456 Summer is slowly coming to an end here in central Ontario (Ottawa area). I was wondering how many frames per hive to leave for the bees over winter? If I remeber correctly, the trees have lost their leaves around the end of October and snow comes in December. Flowers start to bloom again around April-May. Any ideas on the number of frames to leave or other suggestions for winter feeding would be appreciated. Thanks, Mich From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: performance of deluxe 9 frame hand extractor Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:28:11 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 56 Message-ID: <37C0BFCB.DBE78D94@valley.net> References: <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net> <37C0A0AF.5936@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-108.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20457 AL wrote: > gfdavis@usit.net wrote: > > > > I would like to know how much time it takes to extract with > > this machine and how many times you have to stop and turn frames. > > this is the extractor from Brushy Mt. > > gd > > The 9 frame extractor from Brushy Mtn can handle 9 med frames or 3 deep > frames.If you are extracting medium supers you don't have to stop to > reposition the frames - just load up and spin away. If you extract 9" > frames you'll have to install the baskets (included), spin out one side, > stop & reverse the frames then spin out the other side. > > It doesn't take long, maybe 5 - 10 min. to spin out 9 frames, but I > kinda like to see how fast I can make it go:) > > The Brushy Mtn machine is Italian made if memory serves me right, and it > is very well made - I'd recommend it. The one thing I don't understand > is the incredible jump in price for the same machine with a motor. > > AL greetings, i have the 9 frame extractor, too, [bought it last year] and i echo al's comments. it is italian made and very well constructed. it can really rev up with the hand crank, it spins smoothly and feels solid. unlike al, however, it took me about 45 minutes to extract each set of frames because 1) i was new at extracting and had no frame of reference [hey, i made a funny], 2) i was really hung up on trying to get every drop of honey out of the frames, and 3) i extracted in late october in new hampshire in an unheated garage. got so cold i had to run a quartz heater and blow it at the outlet to get the honey out of the extractor and did my bottling in the kitchen. this year i have about 3x the number of frames to extract, and i plan to do it earlier in the season, so i suspect i will have times more like al's. my pet peeve about the unit is that there is no kit for converting it from manual to motor driven. next year i may ask the guys over at the local college [dartmouth], to fit a motor to it. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rotten year? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:00:29 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.7.70 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 935381324 24568 12.68.7.70 (23 Aug 1999 04:08:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Aug 1999 04:08:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20458 Hello all, ok, was it just MY bees that had a rottn year? I keep a hive in eastern PA and we were hit bad with the drought. Did anyone else in the mid-atlantic states have as little honey as I did this year? I'm still hoping for a bit af fall crop, but just about ready to through in the towel. Maybe next summer may be better. From jo@test.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "MS" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen problems in observation hive Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:57:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.138.149.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 935384231 192.138.149.4 (Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:57:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:57:11 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20459 Hi, I recently setup a two frame observation hive and I am having problems getting a queen in the hive. This is my first year as a beekeeper. I have a regular hive and I though it would be educational to have an observation hive. On the advise of a local beekeeper, I put a frame of brood and eggs along with a bunch of bees in the observation hive so that they could make their own queen. Unfortunately, my hive had a bad Varroa mite infestation and most of the brood emerged deformed. I put some Apistan strips in my main hive and in the observation hive and the Apistan did quite a number on the mites. The bees had made some queen cells, but I was worried that the newly-forming queen would also be deformed. I spoke with the beekeeper and he had just captured a small swarm. He gave me the swarm, which he though had a queen. After I introduced the swarm, I could not find a queen anywhere and after a week there were no eggs or larvae. Last week, I bought a queen and put the cage in the observation hive. After five days the queen emerged >from the cage and I started to get my hopes up, but when I checked the hive a few hours later, I saw the queen dead on the bottom of the hive. The bees must have balled her. I still haven't seen any eggs or larvae, so I'm pretty sure that there is no queen or laying workers. Is this too late in the season to start a hive? Is there something else I can do to get the bees to accept a queen? My main hive is a good distance away from my home, so it will not be easy for me to get another frame of brood and eggs. If I can't get a queen in the hive, should I just let them live until the colony dies out or would it be OK to put these bees in my main hive. Since these bees are of unknown origin, would I be risking contaminating the other bees? If this colony doesn't survive, I plan on trying again next spring with a purchased queen and a frame with eggs and larvae. My observation hive in in the San Francisco Bay Area in California and my main hive is in the California Sierra foothills. Thanks for any suggestions. Michael Sullivan From honeybs@radix.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rotten year? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:13:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7prc50$5h1$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20460 "Gabe" wrote: >Hello all, >ok, was it just MY bees that had a rottn year? I keep a hive in eastern PA >and we were hit bad with the drought. Did anyone else in the mid-atlantic >states have as little honey as I did this year? I'm still hoping for a bit >af fall crop, but just about ready to through in the towel. Maybe next >summer may be better. Actually it's been the best honey year I've seen in years. We don't get much honey after May here in Southern Maryland but the Spring produced a bumper crop. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Tue Aug 24 17:18:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Rotten year? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:11:08 -0400 Lines: 29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.8 Message-ID: <37c18e0c.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 23 Aug 1999 13:08:12 -0600, 209.192.109.8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20461 Gabe, I think I have the same problem, but due to different climatic reasons. I live in the Mountains of Western North Carolina, our night time temperatures have been in the high to mid 50's almost this entire summer season. We have some nice warm days but I think the cold nights have brood rearing down. I see lots of wild flowers and I started with 4lb packages, with drawn frames and with pollen and honey in most of them. But they have yet to fill even one shallow super on three different hives. -- -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 Gabe wrote in message <7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>... >Hello all, > >ok, was it just MY bees that had a rottn year? I keep a hive in eastern PA >and we were hit bad with the drought. Did anyone else in the mid-atlantic >states have as little honey as I did this year? I'm still hoping for a bit >af fall crop, but just about ready to through in the towel. Maybe next >summer may be better. > > From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey in the comb Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Aug 1999 19:04:24 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990823150424.15045.00001599@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20462 Is the capping portion of the chunk honey always have a crinkled/trampled and not totally sealed look. Wouldn't the bees seal the comb shut. For purposes of sale wouldn't it be better if it is sealed shut with a flat smooth surface. What are the criteria that make it a prize winning comb. thanks Al From dvisrael@earthlink.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen problems in observation hive Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 05:54:22 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: To: MS X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 23 Aug 1999 09:59:05 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Aug 23 03:05:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust205.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37C11A4E.2F01@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20463 give it a few more days. Sounds like you had a virgin queen and the bees killed the one you introduced. I have an observation hive with a laying queen and cannot find her. She'll grow and I'll find her soon. From @tinet.ie Tue Aug 24 17:18:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!iol.ie!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa in Ireland - update Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:14:47 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 80 Message-ID: <7psa4f$2lu$1@scotty.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p97.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 935439311 2750 159.134.232.97 (23 Aug 1999 20:15:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Aug 1999 20:15:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20464 Varroa Outbreak: 1) Original outbreak in Sligo a) Extended to Manorhamilton in Leitrim and to Wesport in Mayo b) News paper reports: i) Three bee importers ii) One major who distributed throughout Sligo / Mayo 2) Spread: a) By swarming bees or by bee to bee transfer: i) 3 – 5 miles per year ii) Therefore very slow progression through Country. b) By Beekeeper activity: i) Sales of bees. ii) Migratory Beekeeping (1) Pollination (2) Heather (a) Congregation of bees from various areas (b) Maximum chance of spread. 3) New Outbreak Confirmed in Borris County Carlow a) A diagonal move across the extent of the Country ( jump of 140 miles) and 100 miles from Kerry. b) Beekeeper says that he has not moved bees. c) Beekeeper says he has taken some wild swarms d) Therefore it must be assumed that Varroa is loose throughout the Country. 4) Steps which must be taken: a) Monitor this Autumn i) Remove honey harvest ii) Place Varroa screen if not already in position: iii) Insert Bayvarol strips for 48 hours iv) After 48 hours remove paper insert and Bayvarol strips. v) Examine paper insert AND send to Dr Dunne for independent check. vi) If Varroa found leave Bayvarol strips in for further 40 days ( 6 weeks total). b) Timing of Test: i) Must be prepared for the worst: (1) Therefore time of test must allow for 6 weeks treatment before winter cluster is formed. (2) Therefore: Date Test starts Date Treatment Ends 1st September 13th October 8th September 20th October 15th September 27th October c) Note Bayvarol’s active ingredient is absorbed to some extent in wax, so the treatment must not be used when honey supers are on the hive. 5) Use of Varroa screens: a) It is best if a calculation of natural mite fall per day can be made i) This means that the dates of insertion and removal of insert must be recorded. ii) It is not necessary to have the screens installed throughout the year. iii) Wax moth will infest the insert and are hard to remove as the larvae get into nooks and crannies, which are hard to scrape out. b) If the hive is arranged as follows, wax moth eggs and any varroa will fall to the ground below the hive and perish; the bees should winter easily and the arrangement can also work through the summer. i) with no floor ii) The varroa screen placed upside down so that the rails are to the bottom. iii) A narrow eke with a small entrance cut in one side to allow bees in and out and so narrow to act as a mouse guard. A slot 3/8 inch high will exclude mice. iv) The brood box(es). v) Inner cover vi) 3" polystyrene insulation. vii) Outer cover or roof. c) For testing for Varroa a board may be inserted below the screen and left in place for the duration of the test. d) The hive will be that much more hygienic as there will be no debris Any comments welcome Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie From username@protect.domain.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Stenkullen" Subject: Re: contents of honey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-208-15-144-188.tulsok.swbell.net/208.15.144.188 References: <19990823091245.13940.00001920@ngol04.aol.com> X-TWRN-Tag: 935441806780 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8Aiw3.9001$pO3.108677@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:56:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.203 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 935441796 216.200.3.203 (Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:56:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:56:36 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20465 The US imports alot of honey from China. Do you think the Chinese care if pesticides get into our honey? Just a thought. -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From buzz@apiary.org Tue Aug 24 17:18:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!edrn From: Beekeeper Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: 23 Aug 1999 12:42:28 -0700 Organization: Beekeeper United Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-193.newsdawg.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14238 alt.non.sequitur:64689 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20466 In article <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net>, mica@thegrid.net says... > >Beekeeper wrote: > > >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> > >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> > >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a loud >> >>purring sound. >> > >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made more of a loud >> >rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. >> > >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in >> >>one specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early in the >> >>morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. >> > >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, you most >> >likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. >> > >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my siding. >> >>My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would think a noise this >> >>loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), would require a >> >>large hive. >> > >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that even a hive >> >of just one happy kitty can be very loud. >> > >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I think you >> >should look again. You probably just imagined it. >> > >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling fans. >> >>Seems we would have seen some activity. >> > >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power tools. >> > >> >>Any ideas? >> > >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. >> > >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? >> > >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said seems to >> >indicate that you have bees. >> > >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> > >> >Please be kind. >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i know some >> people who are into that sort of thing > >how is the used bee market? i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't ask) From pdillon@club-internet.fr Tue Aug 24 17:18:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: contents of honey Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:35:25 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37C1CCAD.A6867B73@club-internet.fr> References: <19990823091245.13940.00001920@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-8-227.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front6.grolier.fr 935444653 11915 195.36.212.227 (23 Aug 1999 21:44:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Aug 1999 21:44:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20467 I know that I've indicated the reference in the past, but consider it important that beekeepers are aware of what is happening in the honey market, and the problems that still exist with conditioners, supermarkets etc. that could not care for anything apart from the lowest price, even though they are driving commercial beekeepers to the wall. PLEASE read the survey relating to the Honey Market:"THE HONEY MARKET CONFRONTED WITH HONEY ADULTERATION" http://apiservices.com/index_us.htm It gives a very good insight into what goes into "honey" Peter. From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: contents of honey Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Aug 1999 13:12:45 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990823091245.13940.00001920@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20468 In the newsgroup you hear about the problem of pesticides and beekeeping. Could it happen that the bees survive the experience and trace amounts get into the honey. Do the bees filter it out. What is organic honey and what is the story on getting your honey certified as organic. By the way I bought some good tasting honey directly from a beekeeper at the market the other day. Al From purcell@atlanta.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!216.12.0.50!news.cfw.com!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail From: purcell@atlanta.com (Michael Purcell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:12:28 GMT Organization: Epoch Internet Lines: 50 Message-ID: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.pool.atl800.gw.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20469 A friend of mine in Atlanta, Georgia was given four hives by someone going out of the country. They were moved to her property three weeks ago. Since she is a complete novice, I am going to give her a hand getting started. Yesterday, I examined her hives with her (First time I've been inside a hive in eight years -- what a joy). I have a number of questions and hope someone with a little experience can help me with these things. 1. Combining: One of the hives is very weak, and will not make it through the winter. It has only two frames of brood and bees in the brood chamber, but has a marked queen with a good brood pattern. The weakest of the other three hives must have had a varoa problem (or the beekeeper suspected a varoa problem), because it is the only hive with Apistan strips in place, put in just before the move three weeks ago. I didn't see the queen in this hive, but the brood pattern is patchy, mostly because there is lots of pollen in the brood nest. I think the weak hive and this hive should be combined, but the weak hive has not been given apistan, so the combining will put some untreated bees into a hive which has been treated (at least partially so far). When is the best time to combine these two hives? After combining, should the newly combined hive be treated again? 2. Feeding: None of the hives have much in the way of honey stores. Each hive is one deep and one mid depth super, which is normal in this climate. None of the hives have much capped honey, but all have some uncured nectar in open cells, so there must be at least enough honey flow on right now to allow the bees to feed their brood. I'm assuming that the honey flow will pick up a little bit as we get closer to cold weather. I'm thinking to recommend feeding about 3 - 4 gallons of 2:1 sugar syrup to each hive, which should be the equivalent of about 30 - 40 lbs of honey for each hive. Does this seem like the right amount for this climate? Is it best to feed early or late? In this climate, it would be possible to delay feeding until late October or early November, but is there any advantage to waiting? 3. Varoa: I've had no experience with Varoa. I understand that the most common treatment is Apistan strips, and the beekeeper has provided enough strips for the fall treatment. When should the strips be put on, and for how long? I think I have heard for 40 days? 4. Tracheal mite: Is it advisable / necessary to treat for tracheal mite, and if so, what is the best / recommended treatment? Thanks in advance for your help with these urgent (to us) questions. Michael Purcell From jhind@mindspring.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net.POSTED!iceman.emji.net!doorman.interadnet.com From: jhind@mindspring.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apitherapy and Fibromyalgia Message-ID: <37c15d87.1625848156@news.emji.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.450 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:54:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.22.135.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net 935420071 207.22.135.3 (Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:54:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:54:31 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20470 Hi all, I know that apitherapy is used by some to treat arthritis; but, I was wondering if anyone had any information on using bee venom to treat fibromyalgia. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 24 17:18:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:20:41 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7psiin$4i6$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7pgu94$ovp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37BC070E.ECB89B0@zzclinic.net> <935328441.750398@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.herceptin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 935447959 4678 62.136.70.136 (23 Aug 1999 22:39:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Aug 1999 22:39:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20471 Barry Metz wrote in message <935328441.750398@wheat.wag.interact.net.au>... >Possibly the easiest and quickest way is to do two moves >firstly, a distance of at least 3 miles (as they fly) from the present >location, leave 'em for 3 - 5 days then bring them back to where you want >them > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- I would advise 4-6 weeks - this will allow the older foragers to die off. If you move them back in a few days then these older bees will fly to the previous site - and may prove to be a serious nuisance. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 24 17:18:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: contents of honey Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:34:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7psiio$4i6$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990823091245.13940.00001920@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.herceptin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 935447960 4678 62.136.70.136 (23 Aug 1999 22:39:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Aug 1999 22:39:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20472 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990823091245.13940.00001920@ngol04.aol.com>... >In the newsgroup you hear about the problem of pesticides and beekeeping. Could >it happen that the bees survive the experience and trace amounts get into the >honey. Do the bees filter it out. What is organic honey and what is the story >on getting your honey certified as organic. By the way I bought some good >tasting honey directly from a beekeeper at the market the other day. >Al ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- I think that you omitted 4 question marks! Assuming that is correct: 1 Probably. 2 Unlikely. 3 Honey gathered solely from crops grown organically, i.e. no chemical fertiliser input or use of pesticides or herbicides. 4 Who would certify? In the UK it would be for the beekeeper to claim (through labelling) that the honey was organic; this could lead to prosecution if it could be shown that the honey was not organic. Given the area that bees forage over, I would not advise anyone keeping bees in the UK to claim 'organic' for their honey - although honey from the heather moors is probably OK. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 24 17:18:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wax production Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:38:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7psiip$4i6$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990823100453.26208.00002005@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.herceptin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 935447961 4678 62.136.70.136 (23 Aug 1999 22:39:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Aug 1999 22:39:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20473 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990823100453.26208.00002005@ngol01.aol.com>... >In operating bee hive how much wax is typically harvested in normal operations. >If a L.H. produces 200lbs in honey annually how much wax is harvested as a >byproduct. Do beekeepers operate to in such a way to get their desired balance >in wax/ honey production. >Thanks >Al ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- 3 questions? 1 1-2lbs per 100lbs of honey 2 2-4lbs 3 Some do. I am aware of one beekeeper who keeps bees mainly to produce wax as his main business is the production of candles. Maximum wax production is achieved by giving bees starter strips in the super frames and then cutting out the entire comb, rather than trying to extract the honey and return the comb intact. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rotten year? Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37c190b9.8528753@news.cidial.com> References: <7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <37c18e0c.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:42:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.223 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935434033 38.11.203.223 (Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:47:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:47:13 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20474 Well, Yankees with a drought, I never... And George Bush said there was no global warming; as the media would have it, we're now going to get the Son. Well I can't complain, here in the Texas Panhandle (34.94N X 101.69 W) I'm up on the Cap rock too, that means 3600 feet of altitude. It's been the best year since about 18,000 BC. I've got around 80 pounds per hive, an unimaginable amount here. A pity I didn't have 200 hives. Still I don't count on winning the lottery, but that's what happened this year. What can I tell you. The climate is shot now, things are going to happen on a regional basis from now on. The dice are always rolling, better luck next year. Charles Kroeger - When we get piled upon one another in large cities, we shall become as corrupt as in Europe, and go to eating one another as they do there. Thomas Jefferson From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:48:35 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 68 Message-ID: <37c1d84e.15980488@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <374EA194.136E@midwest.net> <374EB01B.43B6A542@riverace.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20475 Hi. Ten years in a sawmill, buying, and using, the heaviest leather gloves available, made me as nimble wearing gloves, as it's practical to be . I find these wimpy kidskin beekeeping gloves no impediment at all . But, I had a terrible time learning to handle green LUMBER when I first started wearing hard leather gloves . So, I agree with both of you . Using gloves is a physical skill . And the heavier the leather, or other construction material, the more your head needs to learn, what your hands are doing . Ken . On Fri, 28 May 1999 11:02:51 -0400, Steve Huston wrote: >> > I'm a new beekeeper with a fear of bugs. >> >> An oxymoron... > >Maybe so, but there's a beekeeper in western Massachusetts who has quite >a good business going in bees and equipment. He spoke at our beekeeping >class this spring. He got into beekeeping because he had an intense >fear of bees, and wanted to get over it. He sure did... he's now a big >apitherapy proponent as well. > >So, as another poster said, cover up as much as you need to in order to >feel comfortable with the bees. Accept that you're going to get stung a >few times (and as the gentleman referred to above would say, "It's >better for you anyway.") > >My gloves have leather hands and ventilated canvas arms. So far I've >not been stung through them, and I've seen bees trying. They do make it >harder to work nimbly. When I've gotten good enough at handling the bees >so I don't drop and bang so many frames ;-) I'll probably try working >without them. > >-Steve RIFF„J From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: glove recommendation Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:48:42 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 133 Message-ID: <37c4db65.16771072@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7ik4kb$jjq$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <3752D9D4.E0B092CD@worldnet.att.net> <7iv3dk$4rp$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7j0qj3$oov$1@News.Dal.Ca> <7j20rf$6b0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20476 Hi, When I first got back to my bees, after installing a Pack, and going on to other pursuits, they were a dream to work . But, poking around in the brood box one time turned them into hell with wings . My neighbor talked me into running three hundred yards or so, of water line out to the hives, and use a gentle water spray to calm them down . I am STILL in wonder, at the total difference in their behavior . IT's as though the small amount of water made them forget that I'm around . Whatever chemical they use, a water sprinkle is more powerful . Ken . On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:19:49 GMT, PC Boy wrote: >Well! These learned disquisitions on the exact chemicals involved >in the alarm response and stinging are very interesting. I usually >work my bees dressed in Levis and a thick long-sleeved shirt, though, >and I usually don't use smoke. I've noticed something that seems to be >at odds with the quoted scent dispersal times, however. Over the >course of several visits, on different days separated perhaps by a >couple of weeks or more, that the bees seem to get progressively >meaner. I always assumed that it was some sort of cumulative effect >going on, since I'll often pick up a few stingers in the fabric >of the shirt when I'm out there. But if the chemicals truly fall >off to nothing in a matter of minutes, or at worst, hours, then that >shouldn't happen. Puzzling. Is there yet another chemical involved, >and has anyone else made a similar observation? > >As far as the original topic, reflected in the title of this thread, >I use goatskin gloves with canvas uppers. I've never been stung >through them, and don't find them much of an impediment either. But >I work pretty slowly anyway -- more relaxing that way, and the bees >seem to like it better. If I had a commercial operation I might do it >differently. > >With respect to masking the scent of the poison sac to as to make the >site less of a target for future attacks, I'm surprised nobody has yet >mentioned (as far as I saw, anyway) that smoke works very well for >that purpose. But maybe that's too obvious, eh? > > >In article <7j0qj3$oov$1@News.Dal.Ca>, > Ulli Hoger <"uhoger"@delete this.tupphysiol1.bp.dal.ca> wrote: >> >> >> Peter Edwards wrote: >> > >> > I believe that the 2-heptanone lasts about 20 minutes on average - >it is >> > also used to mark brood cells when the larvae are fed and the nurse >bees >> > that the larva needs feeding again when it has dispersed. Not sure >about >> > the isopentyl acetate, but probably similar; >> snip >> >> IPA (isopentyl acetate) is a important part of the honey bee alarm >> pheromone. It has a fruity smell and is very volatile. On the >abdomen >> tip is a gland which produces this pheromone, and after you got stung >> the gland remains with the stinger in your skin to label the target. >> If the stuff is released by bees to alarm the colonie the effect is >not >> very long lasting, only minutes or even seconds (but the colonie >> responds to subsequent signals much faster). A stinger in your skin, >or >> glan tissue on your fingers after removing the stinger ist very active >> for at least 30 minutes. Wash your hands after removing a stinger, or >> use vinegar solution to mask the pheromone scent. Otherwise it's just >a >> matter of time to catch another one. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ulli >> RIFF„J From chucklaser@aol.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cats and Bees Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Aug 1999 00:49:12 GMT References: <19990821065658.21815.00002594@ng-fm1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990823204912.21815.00004273@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20477 Rolling them in a blanket works for the ornery ones, and a REAL reverse curved scalpel does a better incision. Chuck >Take a sock , athletic type not too thick, cut a small hole in the toe ,large >enough to access the testicles with the tail pulled through, slip the sock >over >the cat down to the neck, secure the sock with a safety pin or hemastats., >hold >the cats tail near the root, pinch up a testicle in the usual manner, make a >VERY SMALL inscision,express the testicle, cut the leaders, fill the hole >with >pinee oil ( I use a 1 cc syringe without the needle,fits just right) Repete >the >process for the other side. From chucklaser@aol.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees & horses and mules Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Aug 1999 00:59:08 GMT References: <934428645.265710@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990823205908.21815.00004278@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20478 Mine are 30 ft awayfrom each other, and the only problem I have is in dry weather, the bees take over the waterer and the horses have to trek down to the creek. I have seen the horses and bees share water, although when one lands near the horse's nose, they are not real happy. The bees live in a dense wooded orchard next to the pasture. Chuck From riverockt@aol.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: darker honey Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Aug 1999 00:59:31 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990823205931.22816.00000420@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20479 I have a frame with almost molasses colored honey in a 3 inch diameter circle in the center an very light colored on the rest. The hive is in a suburbia with no other hives for several miles. From mica@thegrid.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Lines: 61 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:01:57 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.41.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935456731 209.162.41.201 (Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:05:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:05:31 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14252 alt.non.sequitur:64708 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20480 Beekeeper wrote: > mica@thegrid.net says... > > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > > > >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> > > >> >Olivia543 wrote: > >> > > >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a loud > >> >>purring sound. > >> > > >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made more of a loud > >> >rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. > >> > > >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in > >> >>one specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early in the > >> >>morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. > >> > > >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, you most > >> >likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. > >> > > >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my siding. > >> >>My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would think a noise this > >> >>loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), would require a > >> >>large hive. > >> > > >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that even a hive > >> >of just one happy kitty can be very loud. > >> > > >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I think you > >> >should look again. You probably just imagined it. > >> > > >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling fans. > >> >>Seems we would have seen some activity. > >> > > >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power tools. > >> > > >> >>Any ideas? > >> > > >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. > >> > > >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? > >> > > >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said seems to > >> >indicate that you have bees. > >> > > >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >> > > >> >Please be kind. > >> > >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i know some > >> people who are into that sort of thing > > > >how is the used bee market? > > i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't ask) what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you think? From beeman@kingston.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rotten year? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:27:37 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37C1F509.77498345@kingston.net> References: <7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20481 Here in Eastern Ontario our spring started warm and early. We had little rain and I expected the worst. But considering the hot dry spring,summer I too had the best honey crop I've ever had. My nuc that I started in May has finished 3 supers! Here is an interesting observation I thought I would share. I'm coming to the end of my first season comparing Buckfast to Carniolans (atleast the ones I can purchase locally) . I've found buckfast hive#1 with no brood at all. The other hives are exhibiting disturbing traits also. For example, hive#2 seems to be more aggressive then normal. There are no signs of skunk and its definitely big enough no to be bothered by wasps. Yet when I open the inner cover I had 3-5 bees jump at me. I hadn't even got the cover all the way off. Hive#3 is building propolis like crazy. I mean everywhere. None of these hives are the same as they were in the early summer. Two of them where re queen this spring. I'm suspecting supercedure here. I don't know but the buckfast seem like they may be difficult to maintain. The Carniolans were difficult to prevent from swarming but at least they are a "true" (Use the term lightly) strain and a supercedure doesn't seem to bring any great deal of change in the temperament or other traits. If I re-queen every year or separate the brood from the foragers it appears that I can achieve some sort of control of the swarming. Any ways these are just my observations I thought I would throw to the group. Not statistically correct I know but interesting to me and maybe some of you just the same. Kent Stienburg From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: darker honey Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:37:47 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7pt3ur$88f$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990823205931.22816.00000420@ng-cm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.36 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 935465755 8463 12.72.46.36 (24 Aug 1999 03:35:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 1999 03:35:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20482 The honey is probably light as well. You are probably looking at comb that has been darkened from brood. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Riverockt wrote in message news:19990823205931.22816.00000420@ng-cm1.aol.com... > I have a frame with almost molasses colored honey in a 3 inch diameter circle > in the center an very light colored on the rest. The hive is in a suburbia > with no other hives for several miles. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is there a swarm close by ? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:30:18 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <37c62a1b.5484770@news2.i-link-2.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20483 Hi, My bees are far enough from the house, and there's enough forage in the immediate area, that I never see a bee, at the house . But all of a sudden, I'm seeing bees in the back yard . I'm fairly confident my bees haven't swarmed, but I've neighbors that have bees, and I'm wondering if these lawn bees are a new swarm somewhere close by . How do I locate it ? And, is there a chance that I might use one of those chemical lures to draw it into a hive, even if I don't know where it is ? Ken . RIFF„J From lazyacres@webhart.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!newsfeed.interlog.com!154.11.168.195.MISMATCH!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37C2B126.DFFE1EFF@webhart.net> From: lazyacres farm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey in hives over winter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:50:14 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.171.24.88 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 935506561 209.171.24.88 (Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:56:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:56:01 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20484 Hello, Is it o.k. to leave honey in the hives over winter? We live in Ontario, Canada. It can get as low as minus 30 degrees celcius. Marny From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:06:53 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7pukfk$6f0$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <37C2B126.DFFE1EFF@webhart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.202 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 935515444 6624 12.72.203.202 (24 Aug 1999 17:24:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:24:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20485 Yes, honey bees have been doing it for millions of years. It is not ok to leave no honey as your bees will starve. Find out from others in your area how much you need to leave for wintering. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there lazyacres farm wrote in message news:37C2B126.DFFE1EFF@webhart.net... > Hello, > Is it o.k. to leave honey in the hives over winter? We live in Ontario, > Canada. It can get as low as minus 30 degrees celcius. > Marny > From tenmoku@webtv.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Hank Mishima" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net> Subject: Re: performance of deluxe 9 frame hand extractor Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:18:15 -0700 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip148.bel-d17.nwlink.com Message-ID: <37c2d3f3@news.nwlink.com> X-Trace: 24 Aug 1999 10:18:43 -0700, ip148.bel-d17.nwlink.com Organization: Northwest Link Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.nwlink.com!news.nwlink.com!ip148.bel-d17.nwlink.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20486 I used the italian model last week as a "first time" extractor (ie me) and it worked great. I I spun shallows and westerns. Five minutes or less is about the right time. I also spun them very fast toward the end without any blowouts including unwired medium shallow foundation gfdavis@usit.net wrote in message <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net>... > I would like to know how much time it takes to extract with >this machine and how many times you have to stop and turn frames. >this is the extractor from Brushy Mt. >gd From nono@nono.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of requeening From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.89 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935512436 216.98.69.89 (Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:33:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:33:56 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:33:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20487 I have heard that Apistan may affect queen performance and cause supercedure but I don't think any controlled studies have been published on this. I have heard the same thing said about menthol too. I know one beekeeper who would rather give away all his bees than to ever use menthol again. He claims it messed up nearly all his queens. He now uses grease patties for the Trachael Mite and has had no major problems. John R. In article <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, preacherc@cvalley.net says... > >I just read something about requeening. ANd the question is this, is it ok >to requeen with aspitan strips in . This person posed it is wrong to. can >you help me? I have 4 queens on the way for requeening, and have my aspitan >strips in. >preacher > > From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 24 17:18:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: contents of honey Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Aug 1999 18:06:56 GMT References: <7ptpan$1hu2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990824140656.15608.00002043@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20488 How do you avoid the dumped honey from china. Is it incorporated into other products or blended to make no name type grocery store honey. I think as a consumer it is a good idea to buy honey in the comb from a beekeeper. In order to sell the product the beekeeper has to produce a quality product and they appreciate the buy direct scenario particularly if they are a sideliner. Also if you pay a higher price you are more assured of quality. Even at the higher price it is a bargain due to the attributed health benefits from its consumption. I bought some honey from the market and I know that it is a damn sight better than dump honey from china. Al From tenmoku@webtv.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Hank Mishima" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net> Subject: Re: performance of deluxe 9 frame hand extractor Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:07:16 -0700 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip148.bel-d17.nwlink.com Message-ID: <37c2d160@news.nwlink.com> X-Trace: 24 Aug 1999 10:07:44 -0700, ip148.bel-d17.nwlink.com Organization: Northwest Link Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!newsfeed.nwlink.com!news.nwlink.com!ip148.bel-d17.nwlink.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20489 gfdavis@usit.net wrote in message <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net>... > I would like to know how much time it takes to extract with >this machine and how many times you have to stop and turn frames. >this is the extractor from Brushy Mt. >gd From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Aug 24 17:18:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: contents of honey Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:11:03 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ptpan$1hu2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990823091245.13940.00001920@ngol04.aol.com> <8Aiw3.9001$pO3.108677@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-73.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935487639 51138 209.130.165.73 (24 Aug 1999 09:40:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 1999 09:40:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20490 I can't speak for individual packers and their business practices but I know at the Sioux Honey Association (Sue Bee products) go through extensive testing to determine quality honey (member AND non-member). If ANY honey shows signs of adulteration or contamination, it is refused. Buying Sue Bee Honey labeled products...you KNOW it is 100% Pure! --Busybee Stenkullen wrote in message <8Aiw3.9001$pO3.108677@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com>... >The US imports alot of honey from China. Do you think the Chinese care >if pesticides get into our honey? Just a thought. >-- >Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com >Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:07:17 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 60 Message-ID: <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168033 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:167 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20491 Hi, In this age of political correctness, studies coming from schools are useless . We ought to just defund the schools . IF we want useful information, we need to hire researchers with honorable motives, and honest science . Ken . On 19 Aug 1999 05:48:30 -0400, adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: >>adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >> >>It's the grand design - reproduce the DNA. If the colony is >>going to die - produce drones to pass on the DNA. >>Everything a bee does is for the grand design. That is why >>nurse bees treat their more closly related larva better than >>the others. > >Sounds like Dawkins. Sadly, even though the concept is elegant, >personifying or determinizing (sp) selection to have a "drive" or a "force" >just does not work empirically and philosophically. > >Example: >If DNA drove the selection, than there would be no organisms that would go >extinct via competition, right? Since all DNA is the same, all organisms >would do well via natural selection. > >Nurse bees do not prefer kin larva to other larva in the latest block of >published research. M. Breed in fact, has published that there is _not_ any >definitive kin selection driving honey bees. >Adam RIFF„J From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 26 11:19:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Updated Bee FAQ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:04:12 +0100 Organization: at home Message-ID: Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 935528668 nnrp-10:18958 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20492 Hi, A couple of years ago I wrote a FAQ on honeybees which was quite well received. Early versions can be found around the web in several places. I have just updated this on my Web site and if anyone would like to give me feedback I can keep it fresh and add anything you feel is omitted. I plan to add more photos and video soon. visit me at http://www.gandboss.demon.co.uk Cheers Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:10:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 45 Message-ID: <37C30A49.27A2@midwest.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20493 Real Name wrote: > > Hi, > > In this age of political correctness, > studies coming from schools are > useless . > > We ought to just defund the schools . > > IF we want useful information, > we need to hire researchers with > honorable motives, and honest science . > I haven't been following this thread at all, but your remarks caught my attention - in particular: "If we want useful information we need to.... " (who is *we*?) "...hire researchers..." (hire = pay = money = funding - from where?) "...with honorable motives, and honest science " ( so you are saying researchers hired through the schools are crooks who create crooked science???) Ah, but I forgot the Utopian example of industry funded research by honorable scientists - the tobacco industry to name one. AL From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:03:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7pv6kk$r9m$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168046 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:168 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20494 stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) wrote: >Hi, > In this age of political correctness, >studies coming from schools are >useless . > We ought to just defund the schools . > IF we want useful information, >we need to hire researchers with >honorable motives, and honest science . >Ken . > Most bee research in recent years is worthless. It driven strictley with profit in mind and is steered to maximise it. Now if we could get the research done in the name of defense, where killing people without regard to cost is the main concern, then we might get somewhere. Sad, isn't it? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:44:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.230 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935542113 38.11.203.230 (Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:48:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:48:33 EDT Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168048 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:169 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20495 Adam Finkelstein wrote on 19 August: >If DNA drove the selection, than there would be no organisms that would go >extinct via competition, right? Since all DNA is the same, all organisms >would do well via natural selection. Humm, that is rather hard to say. Since DNA is in all living things, save Prions, who's to say a force is not there? You don't have to be a Baptist to think there may be a basic truth permeating all the galaxies we can see. (and there are a lot of them in all directions) The evidence is firm that when conditions are moderate to ideal over long periods of time (say,10 million years) a huge bio diversity does develop. If there were no asteroids, ice ages, or humans to kill off large numbers of this naturally occurring diversity, it's no telling how rich it would become. You can't say that human activity by virtue of over population or the surprise arrival of a large astroid is exactly "competition" to this diversity; it's merely widespread extinctions of important parts of the grand picture; it doesn't mean something won't come along someday to restore the missing bits; if you don't mind waiting 10 million years. 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I hand cut each Langstroth brood frame cappings and comb with a long thin serrated edge bread knife. This method produces a lot of honey with the cappings that eventually drain into a separate tank overnight. This amount of honey that runs out of the cut cappings can be as much as 20% of the honey extracted. I expect to receive about 20oz. of fine white cappings wax for each 120 lb of Honey (that's approximately 10 gallons U.S.) by these methods. These figures don't vary much. I save the best cappings wax for home made skin creams and everything else goes into new foundation. C.K. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:38:23 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 55 Message-ID: <7pvabc$etl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <7pv6kk$r9m$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.191 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 935537836 15285 12.72.45.191 (24 Aug 1999 23:37:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 1999 23:37:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168056 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:170 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20498 Why is profitability such a bad thing to so many? If beekeeping was not at least marginally profitable, who do you think would do it? How long could you stand to lose money before you had to do something else? I don't suppose you give bees free to your customers, do you? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there honeybs wrote in message news:7pv6kk$r9m$2@news1.Radix.Net... > stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) wrote: > > >Hi, > > > In this age of political correctness, > >studies coming from schools are > >useless . > > > We ought to just defund the schools . > > > IF we want useful information, > >we need to hire researchers with > >honorable motives, and honest science . > > >Ken . > > > > > Most bee research in recent years is worthless. It driven > strictley with profit in mind and is steered to maximise it. > Now if we could get the research done in the name of > defense, where killing people without regard to cost is the > main concern, then we might get somewhere. > > Sad, isn't it? > > Greg the beekeep > > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From thoem@cgocable.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:52:09 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sting remedy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net X-Trace: 24 Aug 1999 20:52:42 -0500, cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20499 I learned many years ago that Monosodium glutamate (MSG ) is an effective sting first aid remedy for both bee and wasp/yellowjacket stings. We've had few chances to try it until this year when I got a bee hive, and now I know, it works. When stung just wet (lick) the affected area, sprinkle on the msg, and within a very few minutes the pain goes completely. Haven't tried it on a wasp sting yet. Don't particularly want to either. I remember about 15 years ago my son was stung multiple times by yellowjackets and my recollection is that it was totally effective. From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees aggressive/defensive/brainless Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Aug 1999 23:59:29 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990824195929.15206.00001819@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20500 Sometime ago I saw where contributors to the group were arguing whether it was better to describe bees as defensive versus aggressive. I think it was thought that people would be more understanding of bees in that context. Later I think someone said they were brainless (the bees that is) acting on instinct. I thought that to describe them as aggressive would make the harvesting of honey seem like a higher reward and more valuable. Isn't it true that the aggressive bees are more productive and stingless bees are not good honey producers at all. How can something that is brainless be described either way?. Al From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:58:23 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 45 Message-ID: <37c2afc8.8224084@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co52-104.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Aug 24 9:00:21 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20501 John, if you place honeycomb ontop the hive the bees will be very sluggish to move the stores - if at all. The bees seem to consider anything inside their hive as potential food for later consumption. You'll probably come back to a super filled with MORE comb where the bees prefer to build freely. Over a season, you likely won't do your bees any favors by leaving scrap-comb/frames above an inner cover. If you have several hives in your apiary - this solution MAY work for you: Place your extra honey one frame/comb at a time on the landing board. Next place anything you can find to cover the outside of the frame to keep robbers off, including cracks on the side. Tar paper works great. Anything left on the bee's front 'porch' will be immediately scavenged. Time of year, size of hive, number of nearby hives, distance between hives, are all important points which will affect your success. Generally a full frame of honey (super) should be robbed out in one to two days. You'll get more responses here on why NOT to do this than For, but it works good for scraps and wild honeycomb. Keep an eye out for bees which fly side to side in front of the hive. Hives can be robbed and 'broken' in a few days and is VERY difficult (if not impossible) to stop once it starts. Monitor the number of bees on guard and use entrance reducers as the need fits. Also pick out a site three miles away that you can move the hive if necessary. Personally, I'd just leave the partially filled frames inside supers (below the inner cover) and add more full-frames from other hives as is required to get the hive to over-winter. Matthew Westall - Earthling Bees - Castle Rock, CO On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:17:24 GMT, you@somehost.somedomain (John) wrote: >I have several partially filled frames of honey that I want a particular >colony to rob out as they will need it this winter. I don't want the >other colonies to get in on the feast. How can I restrict the robbing >to this one colony? I vaguely remember something about putting the >frames in a super and setting it on top of the hive with just a small >hole for the bees to crawl through. Does that sound right? > >John R. > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: contents of honey Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:37:41 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7pvj5f$hs6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7ptpan$1hu2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990824140656.15608.00002043@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-32.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935546863 18310 209.130.165.32 (25 Aug 1999 02:07:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 02:07:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20502 You ARE buying it THE best possible way when buying directly from an honest beekeeper. Most people have no clue about their "honey"...the average person just thinks honey is honey. If one cannot purchase honey directly >from a beekeeper and only buys honey in a supermarket, my only suggestion is that they are looking at country of origin and that it is labeled 100% Pure honey. I thought the anti-dumping suits against China were still in place...but I have my suspicisions that all their honey is routed through Argentina (or other country). A few years ago China was a HUGE honey producer/importer...Argentina was virtually unheard of. After the anti-dumping suit and mucho money spent by American beekeepers for this, suddenly Argentina had so much honey...just doesn't make sense. The anti-dumping should have been on ALL foreign imports. IMO. --Busybee Jajwuth wrote in message <19990824140656.15608.00002043@ngol06.aol.com>... >How do you avoid the dumped honey from china. Is it incorporated into other >products or blended to make no name type grocery store honey. I think as a >consumer it is a good idea to buy honey in the comb from a beekeeper. In order >to sell the product the beekeeper has to produce a quality product and they >appreciate the buy direct scenario particularly if they are a sideliner. > >Also if you pay a higher price you are more assured of quality. Even at the >higher price it is a bargain due to the attributed health benefits from its >consumption. I bought some honey from the market and I know that it is a damn >sight better than dump honey from china. >Al > From beeman@kingston.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:14:14 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <37C35176.77B00E73@kingston.net> References: <37C2B126.DFFE1EFF@webhart.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20503 Hi Marny, I'm in Eastern Ontario. I leave about 100 lbs. I will remove the honey supers in a week and let them have what ever else they get. They will fill up the second deep. I've all ways felt you don't want to take off the supers to early as the bees might plug the hive completely thus restricting your queen from laying the young bees you'll need to get the hive through the winter. There are other factors you have to consider to, such as wind block and sun exposure. These will also have an effect on honey consumption. Kent From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of requeening Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:54:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7pvlsi$57$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 25 02:54:14 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20504 "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: >is it ok to requeen with aspitan strips in? > preacher ************************************************* Hi, Preacher, When package bees are ordered, an Apistan strip is included close to the queen. The breeders must think it is ok. I ordered 4 packages this spring (2 from each of 2 breeders). The queens >from one breeder have done fine, but the ones from the other breeder have done poorly. I tend to think it is just the strain of bees in this case because all queens were exposed to Apistan during the trip. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jrmars@tricon.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: performance of deluxe 9 frame hand extractor From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2wIw3.90$Fc.12426@news21b.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.101 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935548030 216.98.71.101 (Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:27:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:27:10 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:27:10 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20505 I bought the 9 frame Italian extactor this year and used it for the first time. It's a real nice extractor and well built. I spun out 9 shallow frames in less ten minutes. Like some one mentioned there is a huge price jump for the motorized model. I really don't think it would be hard to rig a motor on this extractor ie do-it-yourself job. You can buy small motors fairly cheap through some place like Northern Hydraulics. The problem is how to control the speed. Would it be possible to control the speed using an electric reostat or would it be better to use a belt and pulley system? I would love to hear some ideas on this from the mechanical types out there. John R. In article <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net>, gfdavis@usit.net" says... > > I would like to know how much time it takes to extract with >this machine and how many times you have to stop and turn frames. >this is the extractor from Brushy Mt. >gd From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:57:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20506 Peter Thoem wrote: > > I learned many years ago that Monosodium glutamate (MSG ) is an > effective sting first aid remedy for both bee and wasp/yellowjacket > stings. So are Tums. And green onions. AL From jrmars@tricon.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37C2B126.DFFE1EFF@webhart.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.101 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935548358 216.98.71.101 (Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:32:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:32:38 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:32:38 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20507 Are you meaning "surplus" honey in excess of what the bees need in order to survive the winter? Can you elaborate? John R. article <37C2B126.DFFE1EFF@webhart.net>, lazyacres@webhart.net says... > >Hello, >Is it o.k. to leave honey in the hives over winter? We live in Ontario, >Canada. It can get as low as minus 30 degrees celcius. >Marny > From jrmars@tricon.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.119!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 72 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.101 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935549547 216.98.71.101 (Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:52:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:52:27 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:52:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20508 1. The Apistan strips should be used for 45 days. Combine the hives now and continue treating. 2. The ammount to mentioned seems right. Feed after the fall flow unless they are starving. Feed again in Feb. 3. Put your strips in NOW. 4. Yes, the trachael mite can wipe out your colonies. Packets of menthol crystals is the recommended treatment but beware that some think it is not good for your queens. Some rely on grease patties instead which are made from sugar and Crisco in a 1 to 3 ratio with sugar being the 3. John R. In article <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net>, purcell@atlanta.com says... > >A friend of mine in Atlanta, Georgia was given four hives by someone >going out of the country. They were moved to her property three weeks >ago. Since she is a complete novice, I am going to give her a hand >getting started. Yesterday, I examined her hives with her (First time >I've been inside a hive in eight years -- what a joy). I have a number >of questions and hope someone with a little experience can help me >with these things. > >1. Combining: >One of the hives is very weak, and will not make it through the >winter. It has only two frames of brood and bees in the brood chamber, >but has a marked queen with a good brood pattern. The weakest of the >other three hives must have had a varoa problem (or the beekeeper >suspected a varoa problem), because it is the only hive with Apistan >strips in place, put in just before the move three weeks ago. I didn't >see the queen in this hive, but the brood pattern is patchy, mostly >because there is lots of pollen in the brood nest. I think the weak >hive and this hive should be combined, but the weak hive has not been >given apistan, so the combining will put some untreated bees into a >hive which has been treated (at least partially so far). When is the >best time to combine these two hives? After combining, should the >newly combined hive be treated again? > >2. Feeding: >None of the hives have much in the way of honey stores. Each hive is >one deep and one mid depth super, which is normal in this climate. >None of the hives have much capped honey, but all have some uncured >nectar in open cells, so there must be at least enough honey flow on >right now to allow the bees to feed their brood. I'm assuming that the >honey flow will pick up a little bit as we get closer to cold weather. >I'm thinking to recommend feeding about 3 - 4 gallons of 2:1 sugar >syrup to each hive, which should be the equivalent of about 30 - 40 >lbs of honey for each hive. Does this seem like the right amount for >this climate? Is it best to feed early or late? In this climate, it >would be possible to delay feeding until late October or early >November, but is there any advantage to waiting? > >3. Varoa: >I've had no experience with Varoa. I understand that the most common >treatment is Apistan strips, and the beekeeper has provided enough >strips for the fall treatment. When should the strips be put on, and >for how long? I think I have heard for 40 days? > >4. Tracheal mite: >Is it advisable / necessary to treat for tracheal mite, and if so, >what is the best / recommended treatment? > >Thanks in advance for your help with these urgent (to us) questions. > >Michael Purcell From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding bees over winter Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:02:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7pvmce$bd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 25 03:02:45 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20509 "Michel Crichton" wrote: > Any ideas on the number of frames to leave or other suggestions for winter feeding would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Mich *************************************************** Hi, Mich, Here in east Texas I feel that it necessary for an average colony to go into winter with at least 50 lbs. of honey in the comb. More would be better. It can always be taken off in the spring. It is important that the bees store honey (even from sugar) in comb so the cluster can enclose it and use it during the winter. It is just about impossible for you to feed the bees while they are in cluster in cold weather. One method in the fall, is to spray concentrated sugar syrup into empty drawn comb and place frames full of this in the hive so it can be clustered on. Not as good as honey, but may get you through the winter if you are short of stores. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:31:31 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7pvmae$jg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37C2B126.DFFE1EFF@webhart.net> <37C35176.77B00E73@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-32.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935550094 19976 209.130.165.32 (25 Aug 1999 03:01:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:01:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20510 Hi Kent, Do you mean you leave100 lbs of honey? Or feed? --Busybee kent stienburg wrote in message <37C35176.77B00E73@kingston.net>... >Hi Marny, > >I'm in Eastern Ontario. I leave about 100 lbs. I will remove the honey >supers in a week and let them have what ever else they get. They will >fill up the second deep. I've all ways felt you don't want to take off >the supers to early as the bees might plug the hive completely thus >restricting your queen from laying the young bees you'll need to get the >hive through the winter. There are other factors you have to consider >to, such as wind block and sun exposure. These will also have an effect >on honey consumption. > >Kent From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:59:43 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 43 Message-ID: <37C35C1F.28793985@valley.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-102.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168059 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:171 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20511 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > The evidence is firm that when conditions are moderate to ideal over > long > periods of time (say,10 million years) a huge bio diversity does develop. > If there were no asteroids, ice ages, or humans to kill off large numbers of > this naturally occurring diversity, it's no telling how rich it would > become. > actually, it's the other way around, if you accept the evidence presented in the fossil record as explained by the theory of quantum evolution or punctuated equilibria [as coined by eldredge and gould]. pe posits that the generation of new species is limited, once most of the niches in the ecosystem have been filled, that is, the victors have won out in the competition to have their particular dna dominate. essentially, there are long periods of stasis in which species change little, and it is the introduction of change to the system [e.g. large meteorite hit] that throws the system into chaos, greatly reducing the number of individuals in the dominant species, allowing other organisms to rapidly expand and diversify into the newly created vacuum. you can see the same sort of thing on a smaller scale, when you look at a mature forest, for example, an eastern north american deciduous forest is composed primarily [greater than 90%] of oaks and maples, all other species having been squeezed out, except for small microcosms. when a major disturbance occurs, fire, farming, etc. and the forest is allowed to regrow, there is a huge increase in the biodiversity of both plant and animal species, as all compete to fill the available space. eventually, in a couple of hundred years, the forest returns to primarily an oak and maple composition. of course, this is only a theory. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!pants.skycache.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: 25 Aug 1999 05:34:00 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01beeeba$f4bb5cc0$48d32dc7@spike> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-2-72.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 935559240 91562 199.45.211.72 (25 Aug 1999 05:34:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 05:34:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20512 > > I learned many years ago that Monosodium glutamate (MSG ) is an > > effective sting first aid remedy for both bee and wasp/yellowjacket > > stings. > > So are Tums. > > And green onions. How are these applied? Crush the Tums into powder? Rub a freshly cut green onion on the skin, or will dried onions do...? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: performance of deluxe 9 frame hand extractor Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:21:24 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 55 Message-ID: <37c8a3cd.46824232@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net> <2wIw3.90$Fc.12426@news21b.ispnews.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20513 Hi, There are some interesting ideas on the newsgroups concerning robotics . Not necessarily beekeeping/extractors, but motor control, and kits for computer control of ... stuff . Amusing, if not useful . Ken . On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:27:10 GMT, you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) wrote: >I bought the 9 frame Italian extactor this year and used it for the >first time. It's a real nice extractor and well built. I spun out 9 >shallow frames in less ten minutes. Like some one mentioned there is a >huge price jump for the motorized model. I really don't think it would >be hard to rig a motor on this extractor ie do-it-yourself job. You can >buy small motors fairly cheap through some place like Northern >Hydraulics. The problem is how to control the speed. Would it be >possible to control the speed using an electric reostat or would it be >better to use a belt and pulley system? I would love to hear some ideas >on this from the mechanical types out there. > >John R. > > >In article <37c08c9b.10135696@nntp.usit.net>, gfdavis@usit.net" says... >> >> I would like to know how much time it takes to extract with >>this machine and how many times you have to stop and turn frames. >>this is the extractor from Brushy Mt. >>gd RIFF„J From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking for 1+gal. top hive feeders Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:21:22 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <37c59c1b.44853218@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7yMr3.16560$J5.181756@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <19990810000815.07061.00009272@ng-fy1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20514 Hi, What size holes ? Seems like it'd be a challenge to punch a hole as consistent, and only partly through, like in Boardmans . Ken . On 10 Aug 1999 04:08:15 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >>I will have to feed my bees soon and don't want to use baggies this >>year. (to costly) I have seen s > >A 1 gallon pickle jar works great, punch holes in the shape of the inner cover >hole and put on top of the inner cover ( you may need to add a stick or two >under the cover to help hold it up) works wonderfully !! >add some dark food coloring to the sugar water, that way next spring you'll >know if theres any still in the frame or if its spring honey ! > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC RIFF„J From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Opinions.....Two Hive Bodies Best? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:21:23 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <37c7a242.46428621@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <0n6p3.8613$lg.495057@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20515 Hi, I'd like to add another question to this : We've read often, that feeding is the secret to early, and strong colonies . So if we err on the side of over-cautiousness will the result be a faster producing, more productive, and stronger colony ? Ken . On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:19:56 GMT, you@somehost.somedomain (John) wrote: >For a number of years I have been keeping my bees in a one and a half >story hive made up of a full depth hive body and a Illinois super. >During this time I was into comb honey production using Ross Rounds. >This year I converted over to extracted honey and sold most of my Ross >supers. Now I am trying to decide if I should go with two full depth >hive bodies for my normal hive configuration during most of the year >when the supers aren't on top or stick with the one and a half story >system. My hives are in east Tenn. Looking for advice. > >John RIFF„J From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:18:08 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7q0akh$1tfi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-48.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935570897 62962 209.130.165.48 (25 Aug 1999 08:48:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 08:48:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20516 I would not consider extracting any of the honey that you would expect to make in the next few weeks. Leave them have all the honey and pollen they can gather. Combine the hives, feed and medicate, and let them hold their own until they are strong enough again to possibly split again in the spring. I don't know when your particular honey flows come on but be sure to pull strips a good 45 days before a such an event. I would requeen each of the colonies regardless (I would do it in the spring). Definately consider a coumaphas treatment and use it as directed. --Busybee Michael Purcell wrote in message <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net>... >A friend of mine in Atlanta, Georgia was given four hives by someone >going out of the country. They were moved to her property three weeks >ago. Since she is a complete novice, I am going to give her a hand >getting started. Yesterday, I examined her hives with her (First time >I've been inside a hive in eight years -- what a joy). I have a number >of questions and hope someone with a little experience can help me >with these things. > >1. Combining: >One of the hives is very weak, and will not make it through the >winter. It has only two frames of brood and bees in the brood chamber, >but has a marked queen with a good brood pattern. The weakest of the >other three hives must have had a varoa problem (or the beekeeper >suspected a varoa problem), because it is the only hive with Apistan >strips in place, put in just before the move three weeks ago. I didn't >see the queen in this hive, but the brood pattern is patchy, mostly >because there is lots of pollen in the brood nest. I think the weak >hive and this hive should be combined, but the weak hive has not been >given apistan, so the combining will put some untreated bees into a >hive which has been treated (at least partially so far). When is the >best time to combine these two hives? After combining, should the >newly combined hive be treated again? > >2. Feeding: >None of the hives have much in the way of honey stores. Each hive is >one deep and one mid depth super, which is normal in this climate. >None of the hives have much capped honey, but all have some uncured >nectar in open cells, so there must be at least enough honey flow on >right now to allow the bees to feed their brood. I'm assuming that the >honey flow will pick up a little bit as we get closer to cold weather. >I'm thinking to recommend feeding about 3 - 4 gallons of 2:1 sugar >syrup to each hive, which should be the equivalent of about 30 - 40 >lbs of honey for each hive. Does this seem like the right amount for >this climate? Is it best to feed early or late? In this climate, it >would be possible to delay feeding until late October or early >November, but is there any advantage to waiting? > >3. Varoa: >I've had no experience with Varoa. I understand that the most common >treatment is Apistan strips, and the beekeeper has provided enough >strips for the fall treatment. When should the strips be put on, and >for how long? I think I have heard for 40 days? > >4. Tracheal mite: >Is it advisable / necessary to treat for tracheal mite, and if so, >what is the best / recommended treatment? > >Thanks in advance for your help with these urgent (to us) questions. > >Michael Purcell From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of requeening Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:29:38 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7q0ba4$1iik$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7pvlsi$57$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-48.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935571588 51796 209.130.165.48 (25 Aug 1999 08:59:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 08:59:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20517 Sending an Apistan strip in packaged bees sounds abit silly to me! The breeder must be trying to get rid of old strips and to make it look good, IMO. From a financial standpoint, to send a new strip in each package would get costly. How much are you paying for your packages? If the bees have just left an Apistan treated environment, it should be good to go through the mail system for just a few days without a strip until it reached the beekeeper who would decide how he wanted the package managed. Someone please enlighten me as to why it is necessary to send strips in packaged bees, please? --Busybee pete wrote in message <7pvlsi$57$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > > > "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: >>is it ok to requeen with aspitan strips in? >> preacher >************************************************* >Hi, Preacher, > When package bees are ordered, an Apistan strip is included close >to the queen. The breeders must think it is ok. > >I ordered 4 packages this spring (2 from each of 2 breeders). The queens >from one breeder have done fine, but the ones from the other breeder >have done poorly. I tend to think it is just the strain of bees in this >case because all queens were exposed to Apistan during the trip. > > Pete >So much to learn - So little time ! >************************************************** > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of requeening Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1999 09:16:19 GMT References: <7q0ba4$1iik$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990825051619.21814.00004677@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20518 >Someone please enlighten me as to why it is necessary to send strips in >packaged bees, please? > >--Busybee > In a lot of states it's the LAW. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From orangerose@aol.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Lines: 72 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1999 07:25:23 GMT References: <37C35C1F.28793985@valley.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990825032523.28884.00000245@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20519 >actually, it's the other way around, if you accept the evidence presented in >the fossil record as explained by the theory of quantum evolution or >punctuated >equilibria This is apples and oranges--the "punctuation" in punctuated equilibrium relates to the *rate* of speciation (new species). There is no question that biodiversisty, or the *number* of species, in Earth's oldest ecosystems is greater than that in relatively new ecosystems. Geologically speaking, the oldest ecosystem--meaning the one with the longest continuous rates of life-supporting temperature and humidity--is the equatorial rainforest. This area of Earth was too far south to be glaciated during the ice ages, and has enjoyed, due to the relatively stable angle of the Earth's axis, a long, long time to develop bidiversity. As a result, the rainforest is just teeming with species--too many to count. OTOH, "younger" ecosystems, like the northern American praries, have less diversity as they have suffered glaciation and other extreme climatic and geologic changes. Perhaps the most dramatic example of such "young" ecosystems' lack of diversity would be the Hawaiian Islands. In spite of the mild temperatures, and availability of water, the biodiversity of the Hawaiian Islands before human habitation was probably rather low. (Not the *amount* of life--just the diversity) Occasional volcanic activity would have limited the development of some species. What is seen in such areas of low diversity is that some ecological niches are either unoccupied or very weakly occupied, making the system very vulnerable to occupation by exotics. California, a geologically young land mass that is separated from other land masses by mountains and ocean, also has a very low level of biodiversity, making it vulnerable to hundreds of introduced species of plants and animals, species that compete with natives for food and water. So these two theories are simply about different things: the first states that the longer an ecosystem has had a stable climate and soil, the more biodiversity we will find; the second states that after a mass extiction, such as an ice age or a meteor strike, the rate of speciation increases for a time, then slows as the ecological niches are filled. >when you look at a mature >forest, for example, an eastern north american deciduous forest is composed >primarily [greater than 90%] of oaks and maples, all other species having >been >squeezed out, except for small microcosms. when a major disturbance occurs, >fire, farming, etc. and the forest is allowed to regrow, there is a huge >increase in the biodiversity of both plant and animal species, as all compete >to >fill the available space. eventually, in a couple of hundred years, the >forest >returns to primarily an oak and maple composition. I am not sure of the validity of this example as I do not know if this is true (that mature temperate forests have low biodiversity). However, it is not a valid example because the theories of biodiversity and punctuated equilibrium are both based on geologic time. The number of species changing over a hundred years does not compare to the *creation* of new species over ten thousand years. As I said, punctuated equilibrium is a theory of rate, not an amount. Sorry to be so long-winded but I thought this needed clarification. If anyone wants sources, I will be glad to e-mail the name and ISBN number of some of my ecology and geology textbooks. (I am studying landscape architecture.) Kelly From ernie@nospamwhro.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> <7q0akh$1tfi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <01beeedc$ef909b80$28a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 14 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:35:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.40 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 935573728 198.76.162.40 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 05:35:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 05:35:28 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20520 I'd like only to add one point. From the question below it appears as though the Apistan strips were not in their origional package. Unless they have been stored in an airtight container at moderate temperature, I would dispose of them and buy new. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > >3. Varoa: > >I've had no experience with Varoa. I understand that the most common > >treatment is Apistan strips, and the beekeeper has provided enough > >strips for the fall treatment. When should the strips be put on, and > >for how long? I think I have heard for 40 days? From ernie@nospamwhro.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: question of requeening Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Message-ID: <01beeedd$fb753c20$28a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:42:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.40 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 935574177 198.76.162.40 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 05:42:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 05:42:57 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20521 I've found that grease gives me effective control. I've just been putting in a highly nonscientific "glob" whenever I go in the bees and notice it's all gone form the pervious time. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA John R. wrote in article He now uses grease patties for the Trachael Mite and has had no > major problems. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of requeening Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:28:10 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7q0eo7$1tpk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7q0ba4$1iik$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990825051619.21814.00004677@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-48.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935575111 63284 209.130.165.48 (25 Aug 1999 09:58:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 09:58:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20522 Good enough reason for me, but what basis/reasons warranted a law to be passed? Who governs this and how would anyone know the age of the strip in packaged bees. I think it would make more sense that "the law" governed breeders to have had viable strips in place prior to shipment. I can see holes through this flimsy practice of just providing strips for mailing purposes... the sheer cost of the strips alone would make me wonder how a breeder could afford to comply with the law and still remain profitable. I can think of other "laws" which should be passed that have greater importance than this one... not trying to start any flame throws but I feel I want to question this? --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990825051619.21814.00004677@ng-fm1.aol.com>... >>Someone please enlighten me as to why it is necessary to send strips in >>packaged bees, please? >> >>--Busybee >> > >In a lot of states it's the LAW. > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From kj@jaf.NOSPAMco.uk Thu Aug 26 11:19:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.NOSPAMco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:27:25 GMT Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <37c39c99.36504534@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <7pv6kk$r9m$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pvabc$etl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-131.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 25 Aug 1999 09:33:03 +0100, ppp47-131.dial.nildram.co.uk Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!glitch.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-131.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168071 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:172 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20523 On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:38:23 -0700, "George Styer" wrote: >Why is profitability such a bad thing to so many? If beekeeping was not at >least marginally profitable, who do you think would do it? How long could >you stand to lose money before you had to do something else? I don't suppose >you give bees free to your customers, do you? Hint; alt.hobbies.beekeeping, *not* alt.commercial.beekeeping. -- Kidney John, kj@jaf.NOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk From hamilton@pbssite.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!IRIS.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Message-ID: <37c3dec8.1894214390@news.usenetserver.com> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:18:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: IRIS 935594323 207.91.44.54 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:18:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:18:43 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20524 What if you don't initially react to the sting very much .. I barely notice it when it happens .. but usually on the second day after it itches like hell Dave On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:52:09 -0400, Peter Thoem wrote: >I learned many years ago that Monosodium glutamate (MSG ) is an >effective sting first aid remedy for both bee and wasp/yellowjacket >stings. We've had few chances to try it until this year when I got a >bee hive, and now I know, it works. When stung just wet (lick) the >affected area, sprinkle on the msg, and within a very few minutes the >pain goes completely. >Haven't tried it on a wasp sting yet. Don't particularly want to >either. I remember about 15 years ago my son was stung multiple times by >yellowjackets and my recollection is that it was totally effective. > From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:45:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7q0j7q$ovk$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <7pv6kk$r9m$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pvabc$etl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168076 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:173 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20525 "George Styer" wrote: >Why is profitability such a bad thing to so many? If beekeeping was not at >least marginally profitable, who do you think would do it? How long could >you stand to lose money before you had to do something else? I don't suppose >you give bees free to your customers, do you? >-- >Geo You totally missed the point. Researchers have job security as long as our bees are dying. To find a cure would be a bad thing for them. The net result is that we gain very little. Medicine is the same way. They haven't cured anything since polio! You, me, and everybody else is paying but we ain't receiving anything back. We get costly treatments; never a cure. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:11:14 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7q0oa4$1hfg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <7pv6kk$r9m$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pvabc$etl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <7q0j7q$ovk$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-34.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935584900 50672 209.130.165.34 (25 Aug 1999 12:41:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 12:41:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20526 Good point! I think you have said it before and I agree with you that its more profitable to treat than to cure. --Busybee honeybs wrote in message <7q0j7q$ovk$2@news1.Radix.Net>... >"George Styer" wrote: > >>Why is profitability such a bad thing to so many? If beekeeping was not at >>least marginally profitable, who do you think would do it? How long could >>you stand to lose money before you had to do something else? I don't suppose >>you give bees free to your customers, do you? > >>-- >>Geo > >You totally missed the point. Researchers have job security >as long as our bees are dying. To find a cure would be a >bad thing for them. The net result is that we gain very >little. Medicine is the same way. They haven't cured >anything since polio! > >You, me, and everybody else is paying but we ain't receiving >anything back. We get costly treatments; never a cure. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From beeman@kingston.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:52:38 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37C3E716.2CEF64C2@kingston.net> References: <37C2B126.DFFE1EFF@webhart.net> <37C35176.77B00E73@kingston.net> <7pvmae$jg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20527 Hi Busybee, I try to have my total hive weigh about 160 lbs. So I interpret that as being about 80 - 100 lbs of honey. Where I am, after the aster and goldenrod there is very little flow. So from late September on they are pretty much on their reserves. Now I do feed them a gallon or so feed in the fall, but it's not usually taken down to fast and more times then not it has just evaporated. I think I do this just to make me feel better not for any other reason. From what I've read, if the bees need it they will take the feed down quickly and if they don't then more slowly. It seems to work well for me and the bees here. Kent From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive & LH Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:09:02 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990825090902.16931.00002413@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20528 Why do beekeeepers who may have a number of langstroth hives may keep one or two top bar hives? I suspect that they may want to experience a more natural form of beekeeping and observe bee behaviour which helps them operate their langstroth hives. Al From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:19:30 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37C3FB72.45ED@midwest.net> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <01beeeba$f4bb5cc0$48d32dc7@spike> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20529 Spike Psarris wrote: > > > > I learned many years ago that Monosodium glutamate (MSG ) is an > > > effective sting first aid remedy for both bee and wasp/yellowjacket > > > stings. > > > > So are Tums. > > > > And green onions. > > How are these applied? Crush the Tums into powder? Rub a freshly cut > green onion on the skin, or will dried onions do...? Moisten the Tums with water, or saliva if you happen to be away from a water source, and smear the it on the sting. I suppose Rolaids would work, but Tums happened to be available at the moment of need. Besides, Tums has calcium and a body needs calcium:) Slice or bite the end off the green onion and rub it on the sting. I wouldn't expect a dried onion to work but whats the harm in trying? Basically the objective is to get an antacid into the sting to counteract the acid in the venom. AL From barry@birkey.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Beetles Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:41:38 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <7pilqm$239$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7pkvo7$oe9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20530 Then I would suspect you do have THE small hive beetle. I found small beetles in my hive for the first time ever this spring and checked them against the info on the web and to my untrained eyes, I thought they might be THE beetle. After sending in some samples to the Beltsville lab, they came back negative. It seems others have had a similar experience to mine this year. Maybe we're just a bit more cautious or on the lookout after hearing so much about the beetle lately. I've not heard of the latest data on the beetles spread but it will be just a matter of time before we all will be dealing with it. Lots of info on the web about it. Regards, Barry ---------- In article <7pkvo7$oe9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, southbee@my-deja.com wrote: > Barry, > > Florida. > > southbee From nono@nono.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of requeening From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <01beeedd$fb753c20$28a24cc6@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.73 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935596663 216.98.69.73 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:57:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:57:43 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:57:43 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20531 Ernie, Could you provide the Crisco to sugar ratio that you use in making your grease patties? I've hear everthing from 1:1 to 1:3. I used 1:3 this year but the patties were tough to hold together. John R. In article <01beeedd$fb753c20$28a24cc6@default>, ernie@nospamwhro.net says... > >I've found that grease gives me effective control. I've just been putting >in a highly nonscientific "glob" whenever I go in the bees and notice it's >all gone form the pervious time. >-- >Ernie Scofield >Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > >John R. wrote in article > > He now uses grease patties for the Trachael Mite and has had no >> major problems. > From kathleenann@my-deja.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kathleenann@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:51:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7q0vtt$str$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.93.37.167 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 25 14:51:45 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 166.93.37.167 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkathleenann Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20532 In article , nono@nono.com (John R.) wrote: > I have had some luck with laying workers by doing the following: Thanks for the cool idea. I had a colony swarm while I was gone last weekend. They set up under a trailer. I got most of them back out, but wasn't positive I got the queen, The beekeeper I got my first hives from gave me this trick in case I missed her. "Check the hive in a week, if it seems like a worker is laying or the queen was damaged (double eggs in cells, drone cells), find a strong hive and take a frame of eggs less than 3 days old. Be sure the queen isn't on it, but don't knock off any nurse bees. Spray the frame and hive you want to put it in with vanilla water." (I use vanilla water when working my bees instead of smoke anyway). According to him (Steve Poet) they can turn one of the eggs into a queen if caught early enough. I might combine it with your idea on getting rid of the laying workers. If I need to do it, I'll let you know how it works. Kathleen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: concrete top bar hive Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1999 15:24:57 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990825112457.15608.00002253@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20533 My intended location for beekeeping is frequented by black bears. I've come up with a number of solutions to protect my hives from bears. I have also thought that maybe I should build the hive so that it cannot be broken into by bears. Why not a cast concrete hive of top bar hive design. It could be tied into sonotubes to give substantial weight. I have my own concrete mixer. If bees are nesting in a concrete bridge cavity they would not be bothered by bears. The most damage that a bear could do is gobble up the bees at the entrance. If he gets stung on the nose he may not like it and not continue. Al From spcherub@aol.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting a package in 3 Mediums Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1999 16:08:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990825120840.24618.00004486@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20534 Hello All, I submitted what I thought was a sensible question to the BEE-L list, which was rejected on grounds that it was not "informed" or the answer could be found in beginning beekeeping texts. Well, I 'll be damned if I can find the answer to my question in Hive and the Honey Bee, The ABC-XYZ of Honey Bees, or the Beekeeper's Handbook. Nor is the answer in the BEE-L searchable archives. So, I thought I would come to you good people, whom I have observed are NOT stuck up, nose in the air "your question is beneath us" types. The question is this-(and BTW, this is worded exactly as the submission to BEE-L,) This coming Spring, I plan to hive a new package in MEDIUM supers and I would like advice from anyone who has done this before, specifically any DIFFERENCES in the procedures used for hiving a package in a deep super. Now, of course, if any of you kind people can point me to an article or link that describes the different things one has to consider when using mediums instead of deeps for a new package, I'll take back everything I said. Todd Palmetto, GA From nono@nono.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a package in 3 Mediums From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990825120840.24618.00004486@ng-cl1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 48 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.104 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935601969 216.98.69.104 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:26:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:26:09 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:26:09 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20535 Todd, It sounds like a normal question to me. I would hive the package in two medium supers to start out with. While the bees are drawing comb I would feed sugar syrup. The bees will draw out the center frames first so rotate the outer frames toward the center as the center ones near completion. After the first two supers are drawn, then add the third super. Rotate those frames too as needed. My thoughts anyway. John R. In article <19990825120840.24618.00004486@ng-cl1.aol.com>, spcherub@aol.com says... > >Hello All, > > I submitted what I thought was a sensible question to the BEE-L list, >which was rejected on grounds that it was not "informed" or the answer could be >found in beginning beekeeping texts. Well, I 'll be damned if I can find the >answer to my question in Hive and the Honey Bee, The ABC-XYZ of Honey Bees, or >the Beekeeper's Handbook. Nor is the answer in the BEE-L searchable archives. > So, I thought I would come to you good people, whom I have observed are >NOT stuck up, nose in the air "your question is beneath us" types. > The question is this-(and BTW, this is worded exactly as the submission to >BEE-L,) This coming Spring, I plan to hive a new package in MEDIUM supers and I >would like advice from anyone who has done this before, specifically any >DIFFERENCES in the procedures used for hiving a package in a deep super. > >Now, of course, if any of you kind people can point me to an article or link >that describes the different things one has to consider when using mediums >instead of deeps for a new package, I'll take back everything I said. > >Todd >Palmetto, GA > From kathleenann@my-deja.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kathleenann@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protecting Bees from Insecticide Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:52:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7q170l$291$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.93.37.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 25 16:52:44 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 166.93.37.169 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkathleenann Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20536 We had the sunflowers around us sprayed for insects yesterday. We were warned it stays potent for a week. I want some feedback and advice on the measures I took. I taped screens over all the openings on our 4 hives, except in one entrance on each hive that I stuffed with cotton and put a hamster waterer filled with honey/water. (I tried for rabbit waterers, but couldn't find any). Does anyone see any problems with this? Also, if the sunflowers get to the stage where they are setting seeds (past pollenating, I hope) can I safely release the bees before the week is out? It seems an awful long time to keep them in. Kathleen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:02:53 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 82 Message-ID: <7q1bcg$t81$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7q17bs$2kg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.133 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 935604432 29953 12.72.203.133 (25 Aug 1999 18:07:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 18:07:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20537 I used a similar technique this spring when I had a laying worker. However I used the following variations: 1). Only went about 15 ft away from the old location to shake them. 2). Shook them on a sheet while standing tall. Most flew before they hit the ground.. 3). Put 3 frames from queenright nuc in the old location (bees, brood and laying queen). The idea is that the laying worker(s) can not fly after their ovaries develop and it is too far for them to crawl back. Within just a few moments, the bees that made it back to the old location were fanning like mad and the air was thick with their scent. I suspect that any nurse bees that took to the air would orient to the scent and make it back. I might add that the chaos created by this procedure is quite impressive to watch as the bees try to sort things out. Took about 30 minutes to settle down. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:7q17bs$2kg$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article , > My neice, Holly, just pointed out that the nurse bees wouldn't know > the way back to the hive either. Would this be a problem? > > Kathleen > > nono@nono.com (John R.) wrote: > > I have had some luck with laying workers by doing the following: > Take > > the entire hive off it's stand and carry it about 50 yards away. > Dump > > the bees in some tall grass and brush all the bees off the combs. > Then > > return the empty hive and combs to the original stand and put a caged > > queen inside. Most of the field bees will return to the hive. The > > laying workers supposedly will never have been out of the hive and > will > > get lost in the grass. With the laying workers gone the bees will > accept > > the new queen but keep her caged for a 5 to 7 days before > > letting her loose. > > > > John R. > > > > In article , > > corncob@nospam.techline.com says... > > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > >I suspect I have laying workers in one of my hives. Many small > drones > > and > > >capped drone cells. The hive was still strong so I requeened. Can I > > expect > > >the laying workers to die off in a few weeks or will I need to find > and > > >remove them. Thanks. > > > > > >Kyle > > > > > >-- > > >Jen & Kyle Phillips > > >corncob@techline.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From kathleenann@my-deja.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kathleenann@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:58:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <7q17bs$2kg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.93.37.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 25 16:58:47 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 166.93.37.169 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkathleenann Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20538 In article , My neice, Holly, just pointed out that the nurse bees wouldn't know the way back to the hive either. Would this be a problem? Kathleen nono@nono.com (John R.) wrote: > I have had some luck with laying workers by doing the following: Take > the entire hive off it's stand and carry it about 50 yards away. Dump > the bees in some tall grass and brush all the bees off the combs. Then > return the empty hive and combs to the original stand and put a caged > queen inside. Most of the field bees will return to the hive. The > laying workers supposedly will never have been out of the hive and will > get lost in the grass. With the laying workers gone the bees will accept > the new queen but keep her caged for a 5 to 7 days before > letting her loose. > > John R. > > In article , > corncob@nospam.techline.com says... > > > >Hi All, > > > >I suspect I have laying workers in one of my hives. Many small drones > and > >capped drone cells. The hive was still strong so I requeened. Can I > expect > >the laying workers to die off in a few weeks or will I need to find and > >remove them. Thanks. > > > >Kyle > > > >-- > >Jen & Kyle Phillips > >corncob@techline.com > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fruit trees and pesticides Date: 25 Aug 1999 19:07:49 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7q1eu5$4svs$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 935608069 000 192.168.254.73 (25 Aug 1999 19:07:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 19:07:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20539 i planted fruit trees this year, in the coming years after the trees have been pollinated, what are the safest ways to treat my fruit trees from other bugs? From bobpursley@aol.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fruit trees and pesticides Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 1999 19:14:30 GMT References: <7q1eu5$4svs$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990825151431.15873.00001931@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20540 In article <7q1eu5$4svs$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) writes: > >i planted fruit trees this year, in the coming years after the trees have >been pollinated, what are the safest ways to treat my fruit trees from >other bugs? > Doesn't this depend on the bugs in your area, and when they are active? I recommend you contact your local agricultural agent, or extension agent, they are in the Blue pages of the tele book, under County, usually. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:29:03 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 115 Message-ID: <37c541b2.5877430@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20541 Hi, This is one of those can't lose legal cases, that rarely result in a financial judgement . You're almost destined to take it to a judge, and all that will happen is a warning to follow the directions . About the only thing I can imagine that might make any difference at all, would be photographs of the culprits in action, and some indication of the area being sprayed, the time, and the individuals involved . A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE, might be to get a group of beekeeping friends to come together to ask in a polite but firm way, that he follow the label instructions, if not being even more careful than that, or he'll have you all to deal with . I hear the Russians are selling suitcase nukes, how close is he to your house ? Ken . On 10 Aug 1999 04:37:52 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Ladies and gents I'd really like your opinion on this matter. > >Bout 2 1/2 weeks ago I noticed one of the local farmers tobacco spray teams >hard at it across the road from my bee yard. since it was 10 am I became >concerned and went to check things out, The applicator and his assistant could >speak very little english and the farmer was no where to be found, They were >spraying Kleen Tac mixed with Orthene. I tried to explain to them that the >Orthene was deadly to bees and even grabbed a label off the box on the back of >the truck. No Comprendo was their reply. So i circled the warning and asked >them to give it to the boss when they got back, also writing that " Please no >spray till at least after 3 pm" >I called the guy's father who kinda laughed the whole matter off( these folks >got more money than sense) He said he'd tell him. > >Few days later they sprayed again,@ 3pm so i know he got the message. >Few days after that there they were at 11am spraying orthene again, this time >they watched me approach and acted like i was carrying the plague. I asked what >they were spraying " do not know" one said and the other said stuff for >suckers. >I looked in the back of the truck and you guessed it there was a half empty >case of orthene. After a little prodding They admitted that yes they were >mixing " the little cans" in with the sucker stuff. I told them about the >bees... They sprayed anyway. > My buck wheat field is right across the street, was in full bloom, I had bees >hanging out the front of the boxes every night. >That night I didn't have bees hanging. The buckwheat finished it's bloom with >very little seed reproduction. My hives look like early spring ( maybe a 3 inch >place at the entrance covered with bees ) plenty of larva, plenty of brood, >plenty of young bees, Maybe a double handful of workers. >I usually pull a few supers this time of year to get the buckwheat off before >the clear cotton comes in. I went to do this today. Damn I sure was counting on >a nice Christmas this year. > >This guy is a local boy, an ya know ya hate to start trouble if'n ya can help >it. But I did tell them. I'd Like to hear from most of ya and i'll probably >print em all out to use if I do something ( Like as other learned opinions). > >Thanks Very Much > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC RIFF„J From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:48 EDT 1999 Article: 20542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Date: 25 Aug 1999 18:58:55 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7q1edf$4svs$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <37c2b126.dffe1eff@webhart.net> <37c35176.77b00e73@kingston.net> <7pvmae$jg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c3e716.2cef64c2@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 935607535 000 192.168.254.73 (25 Aug 1999 18:58:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 18:58:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20542 my goodness, thats a lot of honey to leave in, one deep and two supers, right? that about what my hive has made, the third super they didnt put anything in. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Aug 26 11:19:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37c454fd.13413313@news.cidial.com> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <37C35C1F.28793985@valley.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:54:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.155 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935614717 38.11.203.155 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:58:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:58:37 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168100 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:174 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20543 bill.greenrose said about what Charlie Kroeger wrote: >> The evidence is firm that when conditions are moderate to ideal over >> long >> periods of time (say,10 million years) a huge bio diversity does develop. >> If there were no asteroids, ice ages, or humans to kill off large numbers of >> this naturally occurring diversity, it's no telling how rich it would >> become. >actually, it's the other way around, if you accept the evidence presented in >the fossil record as explained by the theory of quantum evolution or punctuated >equilibria [as coined by eldredge and gould]. Then he said: of course, this is only a theory. Bill..Go directly to the Union of Concerned Scientists' website: www.ucsusa.org and contribute $100 to their effort to fight disinformation campaigns like those perpetrated by so called experts like Eldredge and Gould. This is called "JUNK" science and there's a lot of it about. I know you want to help Bill, just do it. Charles Kroeger From adamf@radix.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: 25 Aug 1999 16:50:38 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7q1kuu$8em$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: Troll-Bait. I cannot resist. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168101 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:175 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20544 In article <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net>, Real Name wrote: >Hi, > > In this age of political correctness, >studies coming from schools are >useless . > > We ought to just defund the schools . > > IF we want useful information, >we need to hire researchers with >honorable motives, and honest science . > >Ken . Hey Ken, I suggest that _you_ be in charge of all "useful" scientific programs. Clearly, you have an adept grasp on contemporary biological research. "Honest Science"? Do you know that's an oxymoron? In fact, it's a faux-pas too. Or a blooper. Ken, If this isn't a troll to get me going, you might try doing a little reading in history and talk to some researchers. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:50 EDT 1999 Article: 20545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: 25 Aug 1999 17:12:28 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7q1m7s$ar4$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <37C30A49.27A2@midwest.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20545 In article <37C30A49.27A2@midwest.net>, AL wrote: >Ah, but I forgot the Utopian example of industry funded research by >honorable scientists - the tobacco industry to name one. Touche! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From buzz@apiary.org Thu Aug 26 11:19:51 EDT 1999 Article: 20546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!edrn From: Beekeeper Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: 25 Aug 1999 12:03:54 -0700 Organization: Beekeeper United Lines: 67 Message-ID: <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-401.newsdawg.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14297 alt.non.sequitur:64794 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20546 In article <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net>, mica@thegrid.net says... > >Beekeeper wrote: > >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> > >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> > >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a loud >> >> >>purring sound. >> >> > >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made more of a loud >> >> >rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. >> >> > >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in >> >> >>one specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early in the >> >> >>morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. >> >> > >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, you most >> >> >likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. >> >> > >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my siding. >> >> >>My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would think a noise this >> >> >>loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), would require a >> >> >>large hive. >> >> > >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that even a hive >> >> >of just one happy kitty can be very loud. >> >> > >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I think you >> >> >should look again. You probably just imagined it. >> >> > >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling fans. >> >> >>Seems we would have seen some activity. >> >> > >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power tools. >> >> > >> >> >>Any ideas? >> >> > >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. >> >> > >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? >> >> > >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said seems to >> >> >indicate that you have bees. >> >> > >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> >> > >> >> >Please be kind. >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i know some >> >> people who are into that sort of thing >> > >> >how is the used bee market? >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't ask) > >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you think? please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like that From adamf@radix.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:52 EDT 1999 Article: 20547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Date: 25 Aug 1999 17:31:40 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: If you have trouble with all this "science" go polish your hive tool orsomething. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168104 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:176 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20547 In article <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com>, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >Humm, that is rather hard to say. Since DNA is in all living things, save >Prions, who's to say a force is not there? You don't have to be a Baptist >to think there may be a basic truth permeating all the galaxies we can see. A force? Well nobody can say there isn't or is. However, since prions and even viruses don't really replicate via DNA the way you delineate above, how can they exist in this Universe without being a part of the system run by your "basic truth"? The concept of randomness permeates evolutionary biology and via selection and levels of selection working together, things just happen. The best illustrative example I can give is that of a balloon being squeezed between your hands--it bulges outward. This is a good way to view the random and selection working together. (Thanks to Dr. Richard Burian for that example.)(Oh yeah he's not a "scientist" he's a "Philosopher"). >From the historical record and my interaction with modern "academics who spend all their time thinking about this stuff" I'd say prions, viruses and soon to be know other sub-life forms exist because they appeared by chance and selection. No mechanistic or teleological forces produced them. You can think whatever you want. I think that chance rules. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:53 EDT 1999 Article: 20548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:55:12 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 65 Message-ID: <37c6443c.6527300@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20548 Hi, " So tell me this, Why the hell am I wasting my time trying to keep bees and eventually re stock the surrounding area ? " - - - - - - - - - - - - - I think we all ask ourselves why we put up with "People". Bufford Farrow didn't . Once you start down that road, the end of it, is the end of civilization . Is civilization more harm, than benefit ? That's the question . Ken . On 10 Aug 1999 15:23:49 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >>. Then when it comes to law and lawyers, >>you will have some evidence--if you want to go that route. >> > >Spoke once again to the farmer this am.Figured it was only right that I give >him at least a final chance. > >"Look, we spray when we have the time" was his response." I dont even know that >orthene is dangerous to bees" was the kicker. > >The Ag pest guys in Raleigh are coming out, There's no way that they can make >him pay me anything and it could be 9 months before any test results are back >so I guess i'm just S.O.L . >At least if they do fine him anything ,the money goes into this county's school >system so my kids will kinda be getting something. > >So tell me this, Why the hell am I wasting my time trying to keep bees and >eventually re stock the surounding area ? > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC RIFF„J From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:53 EDT 1999 Article: 20549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:55:13 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <37c7461d.7008484@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> <7oq4un$n8t$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 86 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20549 Hi, There are too g#d - d##n many "laws" already . We need People who appreciate the efforts of their neighbors in the common cause of making a better world . Without good intentions, all the 'laws' in the world will only result in more corruption, and more cynicism . We need better people, not "better" laws . Ken . On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:14:57 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > >Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com>... >>"Look, we spray when we have the time" was his response." I dont even know >that >>orthene is dangerous to bees" was the kicker. >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------------- > >Very sorry to hear this news - and surprised that you do not have easier >legal redress. I had always thought that you were ahead of us in this >respect. > >Here in the UK we seem to have very few problems as the law has been >tightened considerably and there have been successful court cases where the >beekeeper has won. > >We have a system where local beekeeping associations can appoint Spray >Liaison Officers and it is a requirement that 48 hours warning be given to >the local officer before spraying chemicals dangerous to bees so that he can >warn beekeepers who have apiaries within flying range (it is up to >beekeepers to let their officer know where they keep their bees). > >This spring I was notified by a farmer that his spray contractor would be >spraying a field of rape (in full flower) beside one of my apiaries next >morning on the advice of his agronomist; I contacted my Spray Liaison >Officer who is also a farmer and he was able not only to convince the farmer >that he was breaking the 48 hour rule, but also that the advice he had been >given was incorrect and that he would be wasting his money by spraying that >particular chemical at that time. So no spray and no damage. > >It seems to me, with no knowledge of your legal system, that you need to >lobby for better laws; there must be a very large number of beekeepers in >the US - can you mobilise them? > RIFF„J From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave1!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:23:42 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7q1mpa$5s5$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <37c2b126.dffe1eff@webhart.net> <37c35176.77b00e73@kingston.net> <7pvmae$jg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c3e716.2cef64c2@kingston.net> <7q1edf$4svs$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.169 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 935616106 6021 12.72.42.169 (25 Aug 1999 21:21:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 21:21:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20550 1 deep and 2 mediums would be more like 150 lbs. Don't forget that there will be 80 - 100 lbs in the brood boxes (assuming 2 deeps in my area). This is more than enough to get them thru from Oct 1st to Feb 1st for me. Also, don't forget that you can leave 400 lbs on and if the bees can't break cluster to get to it they will starve just as fast as if they had none. In addition to quantity, you also need to consider location of the stores relative to the cluster. Many beekeepers have seen the sickening sight of dead bees head down it the cells only 1" from 40 lbs of honey. All of this is very dependent on your winter, so ask others in your area. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Shelley Corbin wrote in message news:7q1edf$4svs$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com... > my goodness, thats a lot of honey to leave in, one deep and two supers, > right? that about what my hive has made, the third super they didnt put > anything in. > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: concrete top bar hive Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:55:24 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 66 Message-ID: <37c9499a.7902371@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990825112457.15608.00002253@ngol06.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20551 Hi, This was in my highschool years, or so it seems today, but some school/government institution in British Columbia(?) experimented with a sort of super hive . They claimed that it was a resounding success, but it turned out to be unacceptable for commercial beekeepers because it's not portable . So, anyway, they took standard hive components, and built a radical bottom board, that accepted one brood hive in the center, and a ring of honey supers completely surrounding it an all sides . The bottom board gave the bees access to both the center brood hive, and the ring of standard super boxes around it . It was large, and massive enough, that sheep, and mid-size grazers would not knock it over, and it was compact enough that protection from bears was simpler . I've remembered it all these years, and will, if I keep doing this long enough, probably build one; just to see if it's practical . But, with a solar electric fence, one of these might be something to look into for your bear difficulties . Ken . On 25 Aug 1999 15:24:57 GMT, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >My intended location for beekeeping is frequented by black bears. I've come up >with a number of solutions to protect my hives from bears. I have also thought >that maybe I should build the hive so that it cannot be broken into by bears. >Why not a cast concrete hive of top bar hive design. It could be tied into >sonotubes to give substantial weight. I have my own concrete mixer. If bees are >nesting in a concrete bridge cavity they would not be bothered by bears. >The most damage that a bear could do is gobble up the bees at the entrance. If >he gets stung on the nose he may not like it and not continue. >Al > RIFF„J From ian@hodkinson.force9.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!skynet.be!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!landlord!stones.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ian hodkinson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <01beeeba$f4bb5cc0$48d32dc7@spike> <37C3FB72.45ED@midwest.net> Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:20:32 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.111.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: stones 935612408 212.56.111.181 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:20:08 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:20:08 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20552 > > > > > > So are Tums. > > > err ....What's a "Tum"? ogg From adamf@radix.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: 25 Aug 1999 17:03:01 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7q1lm5$9o7$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pv6kk$r9m$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pvabc$etl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <7q0j7q$ovk$2@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168106 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:177 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20553 In article <7q0j7q$ovk$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: > >You, me, and everybody else is paying but we ain't receiving >anything back. We get costly treatments; never a cure. > I'd add that this is true so far. However, with the work of the breeding in Baton Rouge and the collaborators, as well as all the independent researchers (figure out in this newsgroup who they are) striving toward Varroa tolerance, there will be something in the future. Remember that honey bees are not native to North America. Also remember that bee researchers scoffed at brother Adam--so much so that he was considered an "amateur" by scientists and treated so. But, what the heck do "scientists" know? Depends on the person. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of requeening Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:32:29 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7q17ks$14ko$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <01beeedd$fb753c20$28a24cc6@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-106.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935600604 37528 209.130.165.106 (25 Aug 1999 17:03:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 17:03:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20554 Which ever ratio makes the patties the same consistency as cookie dough. We take an ice cream scoop to serve it hive ala mode :-) --Busybee John R. wrote in message ... >Ernie, > Could you provide the Crisco to sugar ratio that you use in making >your grease patties? I've hear everthing from 1:1 to 1:3. I used 1:3 >this year but the patties were tough to hold together. > >John R. > >In article <01beeedd$fb753c20$28a24cc6@default>, ernie@nospamwhro.net >says... >> >>I've found that grease gives me effective control. I've just been >putting >>in a highly nonscientific "glob" whenever I go in the bees and notice >it's >>all gone form the pervious time. >>-- >>Ernie Scofield >>Virginia Beach, Virginia USA >> >>John R. wrote in article >> >> He now uses grease patties for the Trachael Mite and has had no >>> major problems. >> > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:55:18 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37c84770.7347993@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7oq7r2$a9t$4@news1.Radix.Net> <19990812100419.13254.00000009@ngol07.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20555 Hi, Actually, in wet climates, having your bees in their own shed is a big benefit . Heh-heh . Ken . On 12 Aug 1999 14:04:19 GMT, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Greg writes: > >>Besides, it beats working for a living! >> >Could you please expand on this or perhaps others could comment on it. For the >potential return it seems to me there may be quite bit of work. Is it because >your working outdoors and with nature that it does not seem like work. That >would appeal to me. >Al RIFF„J From daffydou@bellsouth.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl!news3.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Margaret Beekeeper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com> <934702282.701939@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> Subject: Re: Stung 23 times, need help. Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <9P_w3.3480$e3.39160@news3.mia> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:18:20 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.79.213.99 X-Trace: news3.mia 935622981 216.79.213.99 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:16:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:16:21 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20556 Those sound like the Yellow Jackets we have in Louisiana They are really bad and do leave their stingers in you sometimes. They live in the ground and built a nest something like wasps but there is more then one layer. It is built in several layers. My husband was clearing the back pasture and was attacked by them. He was stung about 30 times and we had to go to the hospital. You almost have to dig the nest out of the ground and crush it for them to leave. We have tried everthing that has been recommended but the ONLY thing that worked was to dig up the nest. He wore my bee suit to do it to avoid more stings. Hope this helps. Margaret Barry Metz wrote in message news:934702282.701939@wheat.wag.interact.net.au... > could they have been a ground wasp, such as the european wasp. Honeybees, > apis melifera, as far as I know do not have ground nests, but, many wasps > do. > Barry > DukeSunflo wrote in message > news:19990815014700.29564.00000159@ng-bk1.aol.com... > > I was mowing the grass today and noticed a burning sensation in my legs. > I > > suddenly found myself surrounded by bees. I ran away from where I was > and > > finally escaped, but received 23 painful stings (23 I could see > immediately, > > anyway). These appeared to be bees (they left their stingers in me when > they > > pulled away) but they were brighter yellow than your average honey bee. > They > > came from a hole in the ground not far from a tree root. Since I've > never > > heard of swarms of honey bees attacking, I wonder if anybody could tell me > if > > this is unusual or perhaps another strain of bees. I live in Kentucky. > > Visit > WinDough > > And Win $10,000 And MORE While You Work Or Surf! ITS FREE AND EASY > > From mica@thegrid.net Thu Aug 26 11:19:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!pao.uu.net!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Lines: 70 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:40:41 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.44.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935624651 209.162.44.236 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:44:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:44:11 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14306 alt.non.sequitur:64806 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20557 Beekeeper wrote: > mica@thegrid.net says... > > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> > > >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> > > >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a loud > >> >> >>purring sound. > >> >> > > >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made more of a > >> >> >loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. > >> >> > > >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one > >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early in > >> >> >>the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. > >> >> > > >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, you most > >> >> >likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. > >> >> > > >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my siding. > >> >> >>My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would think a noise this > >> >> >>loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), would require a > >> >> >>large hive. > >> >> > > >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that even a > >> >> >hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. > >> >> > > >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I think > >> >> >you should look again. You probably just imagined it. > >> >> > > >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling fans. > >> >> >>Seems we would have seen some activity. > >> >> > > >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power tools. > >> >> > > >> >> >>Any ideas? > >> >> > > >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. > >> >> > > >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? > >> >> > > >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said seems to > >> >> >indicate that you have bees. > >> >> > > >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >> >> > > >> >> >Please be kind. > >> >> > >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i know some > >> >> people who are into that sort of thing > >> > > >> >how is the used bee market? > >> > >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't ask) > > > >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you think? > > please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like that i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with spooky bunny, if you already have that. From carmar007@my-deja.com Thu Aug 26 11:20:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar007@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No brood Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:56:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7q23c7$o73$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 26 00:56:45 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcarmar007 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20558 Hello: I have an unusual situation..In the middle of june I purchased a local Hive of bees..This consisted of three deep supers. The wood was in really bad condition so I replaced the Bottom two deeps with new ones and added a shallow super. At the time I moved the frames into the new supers I was in a hurry and did not examine them they seemed to be doing well so I left them alone..I have another hive that I started from a package the first of june..That is doing great..Now my problem..I just went into the hive to check everything out..to my amazement. it is loaded with bees. but there is absolutely no brood in the hive. The top Deep is full of mostly capped honey. The bottom is mixed capped and uncapped honey. I went thru every frame and could not locate a queen. (that does not mean there was none) I am thinking of taking a frame of brood >from the working hive and putting it in this hive to see if they will raise a queen..How could they survive all this time with no queen?. Why didnt they raise a new one if she was killed?. I would order a queen but am not sure this is queenless.. Any suggestions would be appreciated Thank You Carol Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From carmar007@my-deja.com Thu Aug 26 11:20:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar007@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: missing brood Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:42:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7q22hs$nn9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.51 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 25 19:47:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20559 Hello: In the middle of june I purchased a hive of bees (three deep supers) The wood was in bad shape so I replaced two of the supers with new and removed the third..adding a new shallow super. I was in a hurry to move the frames into the new hive bodies and did not really examine them at the time. I just opened up the hive and examined it and find ( no brood ) seems to be plenty of bees but cannot find any brood at all. Could the queen have been lost or killed when I made the moves? Now the top deep is full of honey..and most of the bottom is full of Some capped honey and mostly uncapped. I have another hive that has plenty of brood and honey..Can I rob a frame to put in this hive and see if they will raise a new queen. anyone have any suggestions..I would put in a new queen but not sure that there is no queen there. How could they have survived and produced honey if the queen was gone and no brood?? Carol Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 26 11:20:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a package in 3 Mediums Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:09:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7q27l8$rbn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990825120840.24618.00004486@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.115 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 26 02:09:51 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.115 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20560 spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) wrote: > Hello All, > I plan to hive a new package in MEDIUM supers and I would like advice >from anyone who has done this before, specifically any DIFFERENCES in the procedures used for hiving a package in a deep super. > Todd > Palmetto, GA ****************************************** Hi, Todd, I agree with John completely - good advice. I would only add that I have used mediums exclusively for many years, and would not go back to deeps. In installing packages, I do not dump the bees out of the shipping cage. I remove four frames from each of the two mediums (at one side) and set the package in that space gently, after removing the can and queen cage. The bees can find their way out of the cage at their own pace. Go back in a few days and check whether the queen is out. If she is, I gently put frames of foundation in the empty spaces. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 26 11:20:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:12:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37C4A276.69F8@midwest.net> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <01beeeba$f4bb5cc0$48d32dc7@spike> <37C3FB72.45ED@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20561 ian hodkinson wrote: > > > > > > > > > So are Tums. > > > > > err ....What's a "Tum"? > > I was wondering when someone would ask that :) In the U.S. it is a brand name over-the-counter medication for heartburn, sour stomach etc. Apparently they think it significant that it contains calcium and mention that in their ads. Rolaids is a competitor's brand name. Apparently they think it is significant that Rolaids absorbs 87% its weight in excess acid, and mention that in their ads (I could have the percentage wrong but who really cares?). AL From jrmars@tricon.net Thu Aug 26 11:20:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: missing brood From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7q22hs$nn9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 43 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935639469 216.98.71.105 (Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:51:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:51:09 EDT Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:51:09 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20562 Carol, It is very likely that your hive is queenless. I've had hives that were full of honey and bees but were queenless nonetheless. You may have lost your queen a little over three weeks ago and there has not been enough time elasped for dwindling to occur. Also, bees are not always successful in raising a new queen when there is no honey flow. I would order a new queen ASAP. Put in two frames of brood from another hive and place the queen cage between the frames. Feed the bees while trying to introduce the new queen if there is no honey flow going on. Don't waste time seeing if the bees can raise their own queen. John R. In article <7q22hs$nn9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, carmar007@my-deja.com says... > >Hello: > In the middle of june I purchased a hive of >bees (three deep supers) The wood was in bad shape >so I replaced two of the supers with new and >removed the third..adding a new shallow super. >I was in a hurry to move the frames into the new >hive bodies and did not really examine them at the > time. I just opened up the hive and examined it > and find ( no brood ) seems to be plenty of bees >but cannot find any brood at all. Could the queen >have been lost or killed when I made the moves? > Now the top deep is full of honey..and most of >the bottom is full of Some capped honey and mostly >uncapped. I have another hive that has plenty >of brood and honey..Can I rob a frame to put in >this hive and see if they will raise a new queen. >anyone have any suggestions..I would put in a new >queen but not sure that there is no queen there. >How could they have survived and produced honey >if the queen was gone and no brood?? > >Carol > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Thu Aug 26 11:20:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!pants.skycache.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Alternatives to smoke Date: 26 Aug 1999 04:03:22 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01beef77$6e929740$63d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-2-99.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 935640202 64535 199.45.211.99 (26 Aug 1999 04:03:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 1999 04:03:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20563 I remember a whiles back, somebody mentioned using a spray bottle with water & peppermint in it to calm bees down. Then today somebody else mentioned vanilla water. 1) Are these the only water-mixable smoke alternatives, or are there others? 2) Anybody have any good ratios (recipes)? 3) How well do these work (and why) ? I ask all this because my local climate has been raining every day for the last 2 months, and so my usual supply of wood chips and bark for my smoker is damp. And I hate using paper or cardboard because of the nastiness of the smoke. So I'm curious about alternatives. Thanks... -- remove spamfree to reply From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Aug 26 11:20:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan again Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Aug 1999 04:16:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990826001622.05809.00000841@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20564 Earlier this year I was reading over at Jack Griffes' Web site about the HIP program where he argues cogently for applying some kind of treatment as early as mid-July to treat for Varroa. The reason, as I recollect, is that the bees being born in July will be raising the bees which will live through the winter, and Varroa damages the glands that produce royal jelly. Diminished ability to feed the brood and inferior quality food reduces the lifespan of the bees that result. Sounds good to me. So I have 5 hives that I just started this year that were on track to produce little or no surplus for human consumption, therefore, I put Apistan strips in the hives in mid-July. My question is this: now that the strips are reaching the end of their six-week lifespan, should I put more strips in to protect until first frost (in October here), or is this one treatment enough? Also mitigating on this answer is the assertion that I have read somewhere that an awful lot of untreated hives (feral) experience varroa crashes at this time of year, meaning there might be a lot more home-seeking, mite-infested bees in the neighborhood. Is it true that varroa crashes are more likely at this time of year? John From ernie@nospamwhro.net Thu Aug 26 11:20:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Sting remedy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37c3dec8.1894214390@news.usenetserver.com> Message-ID: <01beef82$26d2f8e0$35a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:51:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.53 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 935661071 198.76.162.53 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:51:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:51:11 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20565 I use an oral antihistamine ( Benedril etc.) taken right after a particularly nasty bout and it seems to help with the day after itching. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA Dave Hamilton wrote in article <37c3dec8.1894214390@news.usenetserver.com>... > What if you don't initially react to the sting very much .. I barely > notice it when it happens .. but usually on the second day after it > itches like hell From ernie@nospamwhro.net Thu Aug 26 11:20:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: question of requeening Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <01beeedd$fb753c20$28a24cc6@default> <7q17ks$14ko$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <01beef82$c6ea8dc0$35a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:55:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.53 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 935661340 198.76.162.53 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:55:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:55:40 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20566 For a small batch use a one pound can of Crisco and a two pound bag of granulated sugar and store it in a snap top Tupperware container which stays right with the smoker. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > >Ernie, > > Could you provide the Crisco to sugar ratio that you use in making > >your grease patties? I've hear everthing from 1:1 to 1:3. I used 1:3 > >this year but the patties were tough to hold together. From ernie@nospamwhro.net Thu Aug 26 11:20:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: missing brood Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7q22hs$nn9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <935657596.349084@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> Message-ID: <01beef85$8bc22d40$35a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:15:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.53 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 935662529 198.76.162.53 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:15:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:15:29 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20567 Try sticking a "test" frame containing eggs and check back a week or so later. If you have no queen, there will be queen cells on it. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > > but cannot find any brood at all. Could the queen > > have been lost or killed when I made the moves? > > Now the top deep is full of honey..and most of > > the bottom is full of Some capped honey and mostly > > uncapped. I have another hive that has plenty > > of brood and honey..Can I rob a frame to put in > > this hive and see if they will raise a new queen. > > anyone have any suggestions..I would put in a new From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Aug 26 11:20:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wax question Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Aug 1999 13:18:11 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990826091811.15873.00002117@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20568 Cappings wax has been described in the newsgroup as fine white wax good for making skin creams. Would comb wax that is harvested in the same season that the bees made it be of similar quality? Al. From adamf@radix.net Thu Aug 26 11:20:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: 26 Aug 1999 09:08:48 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7q3e90$n71$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7q1lm5$9o7$1@saltmine.radix.net> <000101beefb8$62c437c0$02000003@allend> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20569 In article <000101beefb8$62c437c0$02000003@allend>, Allen Dick wrote: > >Story aside, are Buckfast(r) bees any better than the results of the work of >many other well know and/or nameless bee breeders? > >Personally I doubt it. Hummm. Well let's get some of that nameless breeder stock out so that we can compare it, eh? If you could get Buckfast semen and use it to inseminate selected Buckfast breeders, then graft from them, I wonder if your opinion would change? As you well know, variability in queens can be induced by many factors. Factors that often preclude the queen's genetics. I've trialed Buckfast bees from (B) Weaver for a few years and the queens I get from grafting off their best surpass most other lines in all-around production. This is for Mid-Atlantic, temperate USA. I'm going to try some mixes with Ontario Canada Buckfast this coming season. I'm interested in seeing how they differ from the USA Buckfast. Perhaps for your management, Buckfast isn't what you want? In all the stock I've trialed, the Buckfast and offspring of Buckfast have outperformed everything else-- so far. Anyway, Brother Adam produced copious data on bee breeding. My point was that since he was not an academic, he wasn't taken seriously, which often happens in "Scientific Research". The Scientists are the only "experts" which as you know, is horse dooki. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From draperb@ptd.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01beef77$6e929740$63d32dc7@spike> Subject: Re: Alternatives to smoke Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:06:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 935683571 204.186.180.83 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:06:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:06:11 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20570 We are now selling liquid bee smoke, it works great for quick manipulations in the hive, but if you plan on being in the hive for a long time you still need your smoker. http://www.draperbee.com/info/newitemsb.htm Draper's Super Bee Inc. www.draperbee.com Spike Psarris wrote in message <01beef77$6e929740$63d32dc7@spike>... >I remember a whiles back, somebody mentioned using a spray bottle with >water & peppermint in it to calm bees down. Then today somebody else >mentioned vanilla water. > >1) Are these the only water-mixable smoke alternatives, or are there >others? > >2) Anybody have any good ratios (recipes)? > >3) How well do these work (and why) ? > >I ask all this because my local climate has been raining every day for the >last 2 months, and so my usual supply of wood chips and bark for my smoker >is damp. And I hate using paper or cardboard because of the nastiness of >the smoke. So I'm curious about alternatives. > >Thanks... >-- >remove spamfree to reply From gkendall@shell.ncal.verio.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!nuq-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!news.verio.net!not-for-mail From: gkendall@shell.ncal.verio.com (Greg Kendall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a package in 3 Mediums Organization: Verio Northern California Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7q3p6p$alk$1@shell1.ncal.verio.com> References: <19990825120840.24618.00004486@ng-cl1.aol.com> Date: 26 Aug 1999 09:15:21 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.247.248.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: nuq-read.news.verio.net 935684124 204.247.248.254 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:15:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:15:24 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20571 I've been using mediums exclusively for years, started 2 packages this spring in 3-medium hives. Did nothing exceptional, I'll be getting at least 1 super full of honey from each. In article <19990825120840.24618.00004486@ng-cl1.aol.com>, SPCherub wrote: >Hello All, > > I submitted what I thought was a sensible question to the BEE-L list, >which was rejected on grounds that it was not "informed" or the answer could be >found in beginning beekeeping texts. Well, I 'll be damned if I can find the >answer to my question in Hive and the Honey Bee, The ABC-XYZ of Honey Bees, or >the Beekeeper's Handbook. Nor is the answer in the BEE-L searchable archives. > So, I thought I would come to you good people, whom I have observed are >NOT stuck up, nose in the air "your question is beneath us" types. > The question is this-(and BTW, this is worded exactly as the submission to >BEE-L,) This coming Spring, I plan to hive a new package in MEDIUM supers and I >would like advice from anyone who has done this before, specifically any >DIFFERENCES in the procedures used for hiving a package in a deep super. > >Now, of course, if any of you kind people can point me to an article or link >that describes the different things one has to consider when using mediums >instead of deeps for a new package, I'll take back everything I said. > >Todd >Palmetto, GA > From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how to invert sugar syrup ? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:41:48 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 55 Message-ID: <7q3mi3$s3j@news1.snet.net> References: <7p5vgj$bgu$1@SOLAIR2.EUnet.yu> <7p738p$r99$2@news1.Radix.Net> <37baf3ee.11914331@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh1-port76.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20572 The reference to bees and a carcas may also be from Aristotle. He proposed a method for generating a swarm of bees from the carcas of a strong animal by shuting it up in a 10x10 house without windows for 3 days (or something along those lines). I think the full description is in Eva Crane's "Archeology of beekeeping", an excellent book! Also, inverting sugar breaks it down from long chain sugars (that bees can't digest) to short chain sugars (that they can). This difference in sugar complexity is also the primary difference between HFCS 42 and 55 (well, price & tendency to granulate are important too) A method less efficient than invertase that is more accessible to the average hobbyist is boil the syrup with a Tbsp lemon juice or 1/2 tsp citric acid per quart of syrup for 20 minutes. Be careful not to use a syrup thicker than about 2:1 sugar to water or it might carmelize - carmelized sugar will give bees dysentery. Invertase is prefered if you have access to it. If you need to make more than a couple of gallons of syrup, it's probably worth tracking down invertase, a home brew supply store may have it in stock because inverting sugar makes it more digestable to yeast as well as to bees. And the name Lyons is probably a mideval spelling of "lion" anyway - alternate spellings were very common. Even if the name didn't derive from "lion" the practice of "canting arms" (picking heraldry that was a pun on the person's name, nickname, or reputation) would be a logical source of the lion, though I'm certainly not ruling out the "marketing ploy" possibility. Charlie Kroeger wrote in message <37baf3ee.11914331@news.cidial.com>... >>Does anyone know how to invert sugar syrup ? > >You could do what the bees do, and add a bit of invertase to the syrup. > >Did you know it isn't known why the bees do this (invert nectar) as the only >scientific description of inverted sugar has to do with it's relation to >polarized light. > >There was a case in Britain once where Lyons golden syrup (inverted sugar) >was in litigation over its less than veiled attempts to associate itself >with honey. It even had a trademark on the label of its tins that showed a >dead lion with a bee hive in its carcass. i.e. "from strength comes >sweetness" that was Lyon's slogan. Makes you kind of wonder why Lyon the >surname would be associated with lion the animal. Excessive hype even back >then. > >This also relates to a previous post about bee folklore and the bible with >Sampson getting the credit for killing the lion, but I never got the >connection between the bees and the dead lion and Sampson, but that's the >bible for you, clear as mud. > >Charles Kroeger From jgurley@cdsnet.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.meganews.com!newsfeed-inn.meganews.com!not-for-mail From: jgurley@cdsnet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bear defenses? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:47:36 GMT Organization: MegaNews! Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37c47cbf.31198317@news.meganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d01a831b.dip.cdsnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news-02.meganews.com 935624939 28416 208.26.131.27 (25 Aug 1999 23:48:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@meganews.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 1999 23:48:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20573 We're hobby beekeepers in Southern Oregon with bear problems. Most of our friends have given up the hobby over the years for the same reason. Our dogs are in most nights, so they can't be of much help. Since we're on the boundary of the Siskiyou National Forest (and 400K+ acres of designated wilderness), we'll always have bears around. The agencies aren't interested until a bear kills someone. We tried an electric fence and a family of bears simply walked through it several times, until they finally got the queen. We used five strands of wire, alternating between HOT and GROUND, and followed a local's advice of putting some honeyed tinfoil on the wires to "train" the bears (with their tongues). We were forced to use a solar charger, due to the location, but we got the highest power model available. We'de like to restart a hive or two, and I'm looking for a better defense. Here's my ideas: 1) Build a "telescoping" base (4" concrete filled PVC or something) that you raise to 8-10' when not working the hive. My wife thinks it may confuse the bees to "move" the hive. 2) Build a sturdy pole fortress -- say 6" poles set in concrete on 16" centers in a 10' diameter circle. The (fat) bear couldn't pass but we could slip through. 3) Put the hive on the metal roof of our woodshed, and use a lafdder to access the hive. Maybe a little hazardous for moving heavy supers. Any comments? From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bear defenses? Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Aug 1999 17:46:01 GMT References: <37c47cbf.31198317@news.meganews.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990826134601.13657.00002715@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20574 jgurley writes: >We'de like to restart a hive or two, and I'm looking for a better >defense. Here's my ideas: > >1) Build a "telescoping" base (4" concrete filled PVC or something) >that you raise to 8-10' when not working the hive. My wife thinks it >may confuse the bees to "move" the hive. > >2) Build a sturdy pole fortress -- say 6" poles set in concrete on 16" >centers in a 10' diameter circle. The (fat) bear couldn't pass but we >could slip through. > >3) Put the hive on the metal roof of our woodshed, and use a lafdder >to access the hive. Maybe a little hazardous for moving heavy supers. > >Any comments? > > The telescoping base sound interesting but I'm not sure of your design idea. I've been told that there is an advantage to moving the hive when you work on them you only have to contend with house bees. In third world countries they hoist hives up in a tree to evade predators like the honey badger. Although those hives are more of a top bar hive design. I've been toying with using a deck. The deck would sit on 10 ft metal or wood (metal clad) posts with a minimal 3ft overhang. Also the edges of the deck would be armed with something like old saw blades. Its been called by a govt. bear biologist as beekeeping on the edge. I'm not sure if it will work. A caged enclosure has to be built on the premise if you can cage a bear in then you can cage him out. It's a pity that some of the pesticide free areas for beekeeping also happen to be in bear country. Al From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:52:57 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <37c687cc.3622540@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> <7q0akh$1tfi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 144 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20575 Hi, OK, so I'm ignorant . But, why do people just automatically kill a queen, when combining hives ? What is so objectionable about two-queen hives ? Seems to me, like this is an obvious way to get the maximum spring growth in the population, and our hives are easy to adapt to a queen, and an entrance at each end(top, and bottom) . Also, a two-queen hive that loses a queen, is still productive; and I would imagine, at small loss of harvest . What is it I'm missing here ? Ken . On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:18:08 -0500, "busybee" wrote: >I would not consider extracting any of the honey that you would expect to >make in the next few weeks. Leave them have all the honey and pollen they >can gather. Combine the hives, feed and medicate, and let them hold their >own until they are strong enough again to possibly split again in the >spring. I don't know when your particular honey flows come on but be sure >to pull strips a good 45 days before a such an event. I would requeen each >of the colonies regardless (I would do it in the spring). Definately >consider a coumaphas treatment and use it as directed. > >--Busybee > >Michael Purcell wrote in message <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net>... >>A friend of mine in Atlanta, Georgia was given four hives by someone >>going out of the country. They were moved to her property three weeks >>ago. Since she is a complete novice, I am going to give her a hand >>getting started. Yesterday, I examined her hives with her (First time >>I've been inside a hive in eight years -- what a joy). I have a number >>of questions and hope someone with a little experience can help me >>with these things. >> >>1. Combining: >>One of the hives is very weak, and will not make it through the >>winter. It has only two frames of brood and bees in the brood chamber, >>but has a marked queen with a good brood pattern. The weakest of the >>other three hives must have had a varoa problem (or the beekeeper >>suspected a varoa problem), because it is the only hive with Apistan >>strips in place, put in just before the move three weeks ago. I didn't >>see the queen in this hive, but the brood pattern is patchy, mostly >>because there is lots of pollen in the brood nest. I think the weak >>hive and this hive should be combined, but the weak hive has not been >>given apistan, so the combining will put some untreated bees into a >>hive which has been treated (at least partially so far). When is the >>best time to combine these two hives? After combining, should the >>newly combined hive be treated again? >> >>2. Feeding: >>None of the hives have much in the way of honey stores. Each hive is >>one deep and one mid depth super, which is normal in this climate. >>None of the hives have much capped honey, but all have some uncured >>nectar in open cells, so there must be at least enough honey flow on >>right now to allow the bees to feed their brood. I'm assuming that the >>honey flow will pick up a little bit as we get closer to cold weather. >>I'm thinking to recommend feeding about 3 - 4 gallons of 2:1 sugar >>syrup to each hive, which should be the equivalent of about 30 - 40 >>lbs of honey for each hive. Does this seem like the right amount for >>this climate? Is it best to feed early or late? In this climate, it >>would be possible to delay feeding until late October or early >>November, but is there any advantage to waiting? >> >>3. Varoa: >>I've had no experience with Varoa. I understand that the most common >>treatment is Apistan strips, and the beekeeper has provided enough >>strips for the fall treatment. When should the strips be put on, and >>for how long? I think I have heard for 40 days? >> >>4. Tracheal mite: >>Is it advisable / necessary to treat for tracheal mite, and if so, >>what is the best / recommended treatment? >> >>Thanks in advance for your help with these urgent (to us) questions. >> >>Michael Purcell > RIFF„J From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Sun Aug 29 07:41:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!203.24.245.65.MISMATCH!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: missing brood Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:53:59 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 39 Message-ID: <935657596.349084@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <7q22hs$nn9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-34.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20576 All sounds a bit odd, even if you rolled the queen when you changed boxes you should have still have had brood young enough for the bees to grow a new queen. I'm not familiar with your seasons or flows over there ( I'm in S E Australia) if the flow is good with plenty of nectar and pollen then I would take a frame of brood from your other hive, this frame will have to have eggs in it so that the bees can form one or more cells into a queen cell. If you need more info then let me know and I'll give you what I can -- Barry Metz wrote in message news:7q22hs$nn9$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hello: > In the middle of june I purchased a hive of > bees (three deep supers) The wood was in bad shape > so I replaced two of the supers with new and > removed the third..adding a new shallow super. > I was in a hurry to move the frames into the new > hive bodies and did not really examine them at the > time. I just opened up the hive and examined it > and find ( no brood ) seems to be plenty of bees > but cannot find any brood at all. Could the queen > have been lost or killed when I made the moves? > Now the top deep is full of honey..and most of > the bottom is full of Some capped honey and mostly > uncapped. I have another hive that has plenty > of brood and honey..Can I rob a frame to put in > this hive and see if they will raise a new queen. > anyone have any suggestions..I would put in a new > queen but not sure that there is no queen there. > How could they have survived and produced honey > if the queen was gone and no brood?? > > Carol > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 29 07:41:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:35:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7q3tnn$sl6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-69.lupron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 935688759 29350 62.136.77.69 (26 Aug 1999 17:32:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 1999 17:32:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20577 Peter Thoem wrote in message <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net>... >and within a very few minutes the >pain goes completely. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- The pain does not last for very long whether treated or not - perhaps about a minute. The problem for new beekeepers is the swelling and itching. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 29 07:41:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.belnet.be!e450-01.carrier1.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:42:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7q3tno$sl6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37c2afc8.8224084@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-69.lupron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 935688760 29350 62.136.77.69 (26 Aug 1999 17:32:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 1999 17:32:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20578 fltdeck1 wrote in message <37c2afc8.8224084@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... hives, are all important points which will >Generally a full frame of honey (super) should >be robbed out in one to two days. >You'll get more responses here on why NOT to do this than For ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- That's for sure! Why would anyone want to start robbing in an apiary - the result is usually dead bees everywhere, weaker colonies destroyed, increased spread of disease (even if you think that your bees are healthy, remember that robbers will arrive from every apiary within flying distance) and a hazard to neighbours if your apiary is in a populated area - to name just a few reasons against. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 29 07:41:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fruit trees and pesticides Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:58:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7q3tnt$sl6$5@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7q1eu5$4svs$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-69.lupron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 935688765 29350 62.136.77.69 (26 Aug 1999 17:32:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 1999 17:32:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20579 Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7q1eu5$4svs$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... >i planted fruit trees this year, in the coming years after the trees have >been pollinated, what are the safest ways to treat my fruit trees from >other bugs? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Organically - use pheromone traps for things like codling moth for example. Then share your crop with the remaining bugs - they won't eat it all you know! > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 29 07:41:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protecting Bees from Insecticide Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:56:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7q3tns$sl6$4@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7q170l$291$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-69.lupron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 935688763 29350 62.136.77.69 (26 Aug 1999 17:32:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 1999 17:32:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20580 kathleenann@my-deja.com wrote in message <7q170l$291$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >>I taped screens over all the openings on our 4 hives, except in one >entrance on each hive that I stuffed with cotton and put a hamster >waterer filled with honey/water. (I tried for rabbit waterers, but >couldn't find any). Does anyone see any problems with this? > It seems an awful long time to keep them in. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- A day is too long to confine bees. You could provide a diversion - more attractive forage, i.e. feed them, or move them to another site. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 29 07:41:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:48:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7q3tnq$sl6$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37C2B126.DFFE1EFF@webhart.net> <37C35176.77B00E73@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-69.lupron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 935688762 29350 62.136.77.69 (26 Aug 1999 17:32:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 1999 17:32:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20581 kent stienburg wrote in message <37C35176.77B00E73@kingston.net>... >Hi Marny, > >I'm in Eastern Ontario. I leave about 100 lbs. I will remove the honey >supers in a week and let them have what ever else they get ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- I am amazed! Here in the UK I winter bees on a single Modified National brood box and feed up to 22lbs of baker's fondant (maximum) - I keep dark bees. Crop this year was about 105lbs average on spring count and I increased the number of colonies by 50% from my own swarms. From msfranklin@geocities.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.atl!news3.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Franklin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protecting Bees from Insecticide References: <7q170l$291$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:49:58 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.82.18 X-Trace: news3.mia 935697235 209.214.82.18 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:53:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:53:55 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20582 I agree that a day is too long to confine a hive. I'd be concerned that the heat will severely affect the population. Also, humidity in a sealed hive can be a huge problem. Heat and humidity may cause you a problem down the road with pests, kill your brood, or some other sever problem. I'd move them if I were you. Michael ---------- In article <7q170l$291$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kathleenann@my-deja.com wrote: > We had the sunflowers around us sprayed for insects yesterday. We were > warned it stays potent for a week. I want some feedback and advice on > the measures I took. > > I taped screens over all the openings on our 4 hives, except in one > entrance on each hive that I stuffed with cotton and put a hamster > waterer filled with honey/water. (I tried for rabbit waterers, but > couldn't find any). Does anyone see any problems with this? > > Also, if the sunflowers get to the stage where they are setting seeds > (past pollenating, I hope) can I safely release the bees before the > week is out? It seems an awful long time to keep them in. > > Kathleen > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ernie@nospamwhro.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.voicenet.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: question of requeening Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7q0ba4$1iik$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990825051619.21814.00004677@ng-fm1.aol.com> <7q0eo7$1tpk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <01beef83$49364440$35a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:59:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.53 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 935661558 198.76.162.53 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:59:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:59:18 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20583 Walter Kelly and I'm sure others sell a much cheaper "shipping " strip for the purpose, however it only contains 10%, if memory serves, of the usual dose. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA busybee wrote in article the sheer cost of the strips alone would make me wonder how a > breeder could afford to comply with the law and still remain profitable. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No brood Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Aug 1999 10:14:43 GMT References: <7q23c7$o73$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990826061443.00445.00000006@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20584 >) I am thinking of taking a frame of brood >from the working hive and putting it in this hive to see >if they will raise a queen good move Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From ernie@nospamwhro.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.voicenet.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37c2b126.dffe1eff@webhart.net> <37c35176.77b00e73@kingston.net> <7pvmae$jg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c3e716.2cef64c2@kingston.net> <7q1edf$4svs$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <7q1mpa$5s5$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <01beef84$a90437a0$35a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:09:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.53 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 935662149 198.76.162.53 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:09:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:09:09 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20585 Where are you Shelley? At the risk of drawing fire I'll say I winter most of my bees in a single deep and have for quite a number of years now. I'm on the coast of southeast VA with 3200 heating degree days. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > Shelley Corbin wrote in message > news:7q1edf$4svs$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com... > > my goodness, thats a lot of honey to leave in, one deep and two supers, > > right? that about what my hive has made, the third super they didnt put > > anything in. From jhind@mindspring.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net.POSTED!iceman.emji.net!doorman.interadnet.com From: jhind@mindspring.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Scrubbers Message-ID: <37c5953c.1902313131@news.emji.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.450 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:29:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.22.135.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp1.news.digex.net 935699358 207.22.135.3 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:29:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:29:18 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20586 First of all, thanks to all the emailed replies on my Fibromyalgia question. My partner in crime and I have an 'at work' hive (the company we work for is small and cool enuf to let us raise bees on the property) that we started this spring. They're not dead so I guess we're not doing too bad. The thing I've noticed is that they have been scrubbers almost from the beginning (package of Midnites for those wondering). During the spring honeyflow they were so numerous they literally covered the 2 deeps and shallow super they are housed in, every one of them scrubbing away. Well, we had a point of corrective surgery we had to go thru...Since they were building nothing but burr comb on the plastic foundation, we wanted to get the plastic foundation frames out. Our solution was to move the plastic frames above the queen excluder with the partly drawn wax shallow and put the undrawn wax deeps below. We also promised not to pop the top for a quick peek for 3 weeks (which was becoming a morning ritual (yes...newbies)). So for 3 weeks we watched them scrub, scrub, scrub. The honeyflow ended after the 1st week so we noticed a drop in scrubbers. But, hey, they were out there so thumbs up to the newbies. We jumped our invasion by two days and found that they had corrected their burr building on the plastic frames and had hardly touched the wax frames. So our decision was to replace the undrawn wax frames w/ the correctly drawn plastic frames. We also noticed that they had plenty of honey and pollen stores (the shallow was almost full) and Bruce was laying in a good pattern (Bruce is the queen of course). Since everything that was in the hive body was drawn out and pretty much filled we put a super on top. Next invasion in 2 weeks. And the girls scrubbed and scrubbed and scrubbed. Not as many as before, but hey, scrubbing bees means a strong hive, right? Well, this time we were patient and very surprised to see that all those scrubbing bees were lying to us about the health of the hive. Bruce aka Old Mother Hubbard was still laying, but the cupboard was definitly bare. Either the drought has kept nectar gathering to a minimum (some days it was so hot the girls didn't even leave the hive) or they've been loafing on the front porch from real duties. In any case, the shallow came out replaced by syrup filled ziplocks (it's fun to see a coworker cringe when you invert a filled bag over his head) and later (since we ran out of bags) a bowl with an insect screen ramp filled with syrup. And the girls are still scrubbing. I'm writing this today because this is the first day that they didn't go through their daily feed of 2lbs of sugar (yes everyday we've been feeding them 2lbs of sugar) in about 2-3 weeks. I think it's safe to say the worst is over. So now the loaded question...why were the girls out there scrubbing when they were really starving? Joe From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:26:25 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <37cd8f6d.5576195@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37c2b126.dffe1eff@webhart.net> <37c35176.77b00e73@kingston.net> <7pvmae$jg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c3e716.2cef64c2@kingston.net> <7q1edf$4svs$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <7q1mpa$5s5$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20587 Hi, In "coatal" Washington State, we normally have long fall/winter/spring seasons, but only once every decade or two, do we get a blizzard, or really cold winter . Given our mild temperature swings over the inclement seasons, are the bees going to be as closely held to the limitations of their cluster ? Or will they venture up into the higher supers for feed ? Ken . On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:23:42 -0700, "George Styer" wrote: >1 deep and 2 mediums would be more like 150 lbs. Don't forget that there >will be 80 - 100 lbs in the brood boxes (assuming 2 deeps in my area). This >is more than enough to get them thru >from Oct 1st to Feb 1st for me. > >Also, don't forget that you can leave 400 lbs on and if the bees can't break >cluster to get to it they will starve just as fast as if they had none. In >addition to quantity, you also need to consider location of the stores >relative to the cluster. Many beekeepers have seen the sickening sight of >dead bees head down it the cells only 1" from 40 lbs of honey. > >All of this is very dependent on your winter, so ask others in your area. RIFF„J From tceisele@mtu.edu Sun Aug 29 07:41:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA Date: 26 Aug 1999 19:36:30 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7q44vu$fnu$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> <7q0akh$1tfi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c687cc.3622540@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20588 Real Name wrote: : Hi, : OK, so I'm ignorant . : But, why do people just : automatically kill a queen, when : combining hives ? : What is so objectionable : about two-queen hives ? : Seems to me, like this is an : obvious way to get the maximum : spring growth in the population, : and our hives are easy to adapt : to a queen, and an entrance at : each end(top, and bottom) . : Also, a two-queen hive that loses : a queen, is still productive; and I : would imagine, at small loss of : harvest . : What is it I'm missing here ? : Ken . >From what I understand, the problem is that if the two queens can get at each other, they will usually fight until one is killed, so it won't be a 2-queen hive for long. Since there are good odds that the one that survives won't be the one you would prefer to keep, this is chancy at best. There is also the possiblity that both queens will end up killed or maimed, and so you'll end up with zero queens. You could put in excluders to keep them apart during the summer, and run a two-queen hive that way. I understand that this does make for a more populus and productive hive, but that it gets pretty tall in standard equipment, and is a lot of work. I've also read that a two-queen hive has to be knocked back to one queen for the winter so that the cluster can form and behave properly to survive the winter. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From anglin@mi.verio.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990825112457.15608.00002253@ngol06.aol.com> Subject: Re: concrete top bar hive Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:08:55 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 935698165 209.69.69.125 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:09:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:09:25 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20589 I have seen articles on concrete top bar nuc's used in areas where termites would destroy wooden nuc's very quickly. I don't see why a larger size wouldn't work, if you make sure the floor is sloped towards the entrance holes so that moisture will drain well. I don't know how concrete will weather freezing in winter, with the moisture from a swarm inside it- but It sure wouldn't hurt to try! If a bear does attack a TBH, all the wood can be recovered and re-used in most cases. Bears just lift off the lid and start scooping out and eating the comb off of the bars. Same thing would probably apply to a cement TBH unless you can come up with a really secure way to fasten an unbreakable lid. Ellen From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of requeening Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:24:08 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7q39tk$10rm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7q0ba4$1iik$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990825051619.21814.00004677@ng-fm1.aol.com> <7q0eo7$1tpk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <01beef83$49364440$35a24cc6@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-62.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935668468 33654 209.130.165.62 (26 Aug 1999 11:54:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 1999 11:54:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20590 Thanks! That would make perfect sense. I've learned something new today! --Busybee Ernie Scofield wrote in message <01beef83$49364440$35a24cc6@default>... >Walter Kelly and I'm sure others sell a much cheaper "shipping " strip for >the purpose, however it only contains 10%, if memory serves, of the usual >dose. >-- >Ernie Scofield >Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > >busybee wrote in article > > the sheer cost of the strips alone would make me wonder how a >> breeder could afford to comply with the law and still remain profitable. > From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:44:42 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <000101beefb8$62c437c0$02000003@allend> References: <7q1lm5$9o7$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <7q1lm5$9o7$1@saltmine.radix.net> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6zsJ8RTbMsbnKv6Z8VThuzn?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20591 > Also remember that bee > researchers scoffed at brother Adam--so much so that he was considered an > "amateur" by scientists and treated so. I've often wondered how much the reputation of brother Adam is a result of his actual bees and work and how much a result of the cachet associated with the romantic picture of a dedicated monk, working without benefit of support of the scientific community, and even his own monastery at times. There is a strong wish on the part of the public to root for the underdog, and this particular marketing story is so good that it is irresistible. No ad man could have dreamed up anything half as good; the (true) story is hypnotic to those who tend to be religious, no matter what faith, and even appeals to agnostics and atheists. The images fit precisely with what people everywhere want to believe. People really *want* to believe that Buckfast(r) bees are special. As far as I have been able to learn, they are quite variable and not particularly consistent, so it is easy to choose what attributes one wishes to ascribe to them. Story aside, are Buckfast(r) bees any better than the results of the work of many other well know and/or nameless bee breeders? Personally I doubt it. But ya *gotta* love the story. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Aug 29 07:41:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.giganews.com!solomon.io.com!newsrouter.icnc.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rotten year? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Aug 1999 15:54:03 GMT References: <37C1F509.77498345@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990826115403.08546.00000089@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20592 Pretty much boils down to no water=no nectar and up here in CT the drought made for a longer summer dearth. The jury is still out on a fall flow but I sure don't like the way the knotweed plants look so I am crowding the bees a little to pack in stores. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From mica@thegrid.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:33:08 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.43.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935706996 209.162.43.180 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:36:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:36:36 PDT Lines: 79 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14360 alt.non.sequitur:64885 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20593 Beekeeper wrote: > mica@thegrid.net says... > > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> > > >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> > > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> > > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a loud > >> >> >> >>purring sound. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made more of a > >> >> >> >loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one > >> >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early in > >> >> >> >>the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, you most > >> >> >> >likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my siding. > >> >> >> >>My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would think a noise > >> >> >> >>this loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), would > >> >> >> >>require a large hive. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that even a > >> >> >> >hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I think > >> >> >> >you should look again. You probably just imagined it. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling fans. > >> >> >> >>Seems we would have seen some activity. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power > >> >> >> >tools. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>Any ideas? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said seems to > >> >> >> >indicate that you have bees. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Please be kind. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i know some > >> >> >> people who are into that sort of thing > >> >> > > >> >> >how is the used bee market? > >> >> > >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't ask) > >> > > >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you think? > >> > >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like that > > > >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with > >spooky bunny, if you already have that. > > too rich for my blood number 12 in a series if i recall correctly From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37c5c076.23593399@news.cidial.com> References: <7q1lm5$9o7$1@saltmine.radix.net> <000101beefb8$62c437c0$02000003@allend> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:49:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.113 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935708003 38.11.203.113 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:53:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:53:23 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20594 Allen Dick plays down the Buckfast bee >People really *want* to believe that Buckfast(r) bees are >special. Most "People" i've talked to about bees have never heard of the Buckfast bee, even in Britain where I lived a few years. I think from my "research" that the Buckfast Bee is only known among beekeepers. I've used them for 25 years. I don't buy in too many queens now, since I appear to be mite free after about 5 years of selecting survivors. However the Buckfast was always the one for me. Just enough temper to protect themselves and always survived the worse seasons by storing enough to last through a following hard winter. White sugar is considered an evil thing around here, so the bees have to make it on their own stores. I'm a reasonable man. Charles Kroeger - Like every man of sense and good feeling, I abominate work. Aldous Huxley From buzz@apiary.org Sun Aug 29 07:41:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!edrn From: Beekeeper Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: 26 Aug 1999 13:56:57 -0700 Organization: Beekeeper United Lines: 76 Message-ID: <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-390.newsdawg.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14371 alt.non.sequitur:64897 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20595 In article <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net>, mica@thegrid.net says... > >Beekeeper wrote: > >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> > >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a loud >> >> >> >>purring sound. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made more of a >> >> >> >loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one >> >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early in >> >> >> >>the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, you most >> >> >> >likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my siding. >> >> >> >>My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would think a noise this >> >> >> >>loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), would require a >> >> >> >>large hive. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that even a >> >> >> >hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I think >> >> >> >you should look again. You probably just imagined it. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling fans. >> >> >> >>Seems we would have seen some activity. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power tools. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Any ideas? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said seems to >> >> >> >indicate that you have bees. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Please be kind. >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i know some >> >> >> people who are into that sort of thing >> >> > >> >> >how is the used bee market? >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't ask) >> > >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you think? >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like that > >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with >spooky bunny, if you already have that. too rich for my blood From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:58:36 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 93 Message-ID: <37c5cb04.20831639@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> <7q0akh$1tfi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c687cc.3622540@news2.i-link-2.net> <7q44vu$fnu$1@campus1.mtu.edu> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20596 Hi, Ah . So . Something to think about . My attempt at a two queen hive, >from my new split, and a neighbor's swarm(cast, actually), failed to take into account that a new queen might go on a mating flight out the top entrance, and return from it, into the bottom entrance . And, as you said, one queen hive . So much for that theory . But, I've read here, that the Russians use many queen hives . Does anyone know how they do it, or where to find the information ? What might be useful search terms ? Ken . On 26 Aug 1999 19:36:30 GMT, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: >Real Name wrote: >: Hi, > >: OK, so I'm ignorant . > >: But, why do people just >: automatically kill a queen, when >: combining hives ? > >: What is so objectionable >: about two-queen hives ? > >: Seems to me, like this is an >: obvious way to get the maximum >: spring growth in the population, >: and our hives are easy to adapt >: to a queen, and an entrance at >: each end(top, and bottom) . > >: Also, a two-queen hive that loses >: a queen, is still productive; and I >: would imagine, at small loss of >: harvest . > >: What is it I'm missing here ? > >: Ken . > >From what I understand, the problem is that if the two queens can >get at each other, they will usually fight until one is killed, so >it won't be a 2-queen hive for long. Since there are good odds that >the one that survives won't be the one you would prefer to keep, >this is chancy at best. There is also the possiblity that both >queens will end up killed or maimed, and so you'll end up with >zero queens. > >You could put in excluders to keep them apart during the summer, >and run a two-queen hive that way. I understand that this does >make for a more populus and productive hive, but that it gets pretty >tall in standard equipment, and is a lot of work. I've also read >that a two-queen hive has to be knocked back to one queen for the winter >so that the cluster can form and behave properly to survive the winter. > >Tim Eisele >tceisele@mtu.edu From beeman@kingston.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey in hives over winter Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:29:03 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37C5CDBF.FB5FAC48@kingston.net> References: <37c2b126.dffe1eff@webhart.net> <37c35176.77b00e73@kingston.net> <7pvmae$jg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c3e716.2cef64c2@kingston.net> <7q1edf$4svs$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <7q1mpa$5s5$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <37cd8f6d.5576195@news2.i-link-2.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20597 George is right, bees sometimes will starve inches from honey. Maybe it was too cold to long or maybe they just couldn't all agree when to move :-). As long as the bees have some protection against the elements and adequate food you have to leave the rest up to them. Maybe on a warm day in early spring take a peek but don't disrupt the colony by removing frames. Only if you spot a problem. You also asked about 2 queen colonies. There are a few beekeepers in this group who do that. From what I've seen they make HUGE colonies that can produce several supers of honey. It takes a bit more work to set them up. Maybe the lads or ladies who do this will give us some insight? When I combine hives I will kill the queen which is older or doesn't demonstrate the traits I want. From buzz@apiary.org Sun Aug 29 07:41:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: buzz@apiary.org (Beekeeper) Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:56:19 GMT Organization: IIIrd Beekeeper Lines: 87 Message-ID: <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-218.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14383 alt.non.sequitur:64910 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20598 On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:33:08 -0800, mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >Beekeeper wrote: > >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> > >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a loud >> >> >> >> >>purring sound. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made more of a >> >> >> >> >loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one >> >> >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early in >> >> >> >> >>the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, you most >> >> >> >> >likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my siding. >> >> >> >> >>My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would think a noise >> >> >> >> >>this loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), would >> >> >> >> >>require a large hive. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that even a >> >> >> >> >hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I think >> >> >> >> >you should look again. You probably just imagined it. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling fans. >> >> >> >> >>Seems we would have seen some activity. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power >> >> >> >> >tools. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said seems to >> >> >> >> >indicate that you have bees. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i know some >> >> >> >> people who are into that sort of thing >> >> >> > >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't ask) >> >> > >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you think? >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like that >> > >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with >> >spooky bunny, if you already have that. >> >> too rich for my blood > >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:19:30 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 148 Message-ID: <7q4jr1$k9o$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> <7q0akh$1tfi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c687cc.3622540@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-20.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935711393 20792 209.130.165.20 (26 Aug 1999 23:49:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 1999 23:49:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20599 Real Name wrote in message <37c687cc.3622540@news2.i-link-2.net>... >Hi, > > OK, so I'm ignorant . > > But, why do people just >automatically kill a queen, when >combining hives ? > > What is so objectionable >about two-queen hives ? > What is it I'm missing here ? >Snipped >Ken . No, I would not say you are ignorant. There is nothing wrong with a two queen system if thats how you choose to manage your hives. Requeening weak hives only makes for a stronger hive and a stronger colony only makes for a better chance for more honey...and isn't that why we keep bees? --Busybee > > >On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:18:08 -0500, >"busybee" >wrote: > >>I would not consider extracting any of >the honey that you would expect to >>make in the next few weeks. Leave them >have all the honey and pollen they >>can gather. Combine the hives, feed >and medicate, and let them hold their >>own until they are strong enough again >to possibly split again in the >>spring. I don't know when your >particular honey flows come on but be >sure >>to pull strips a good 45 days before a >such an event. I would requeen each >>of the colonies regardless (I would do >it in the spring). Definately >>consider a coumaphas treatment and use >it as directed. >> >>--Busybee >> >>Michael Purcell wrote in message ><37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net>... >>>A friend of mine in Atlanta, Georgia >was given four hives by someone >>>going out of the country. They were >moved to her property three weeks >>>ago. Since she is a complete novice, I >am going to give her a hand >>>getting started. Yesterday, I examined >her hives with her (First time >>>I've been inside a hive in eight years >-- what a joy). I have a number >>>of questions and hope someone with a >little experience can help me >>>with these things. >>> >>>1. Combining: >>>One of the hives is very weak, and >will not make it through the >>>winter. It has only two frames of >brood and bees in the brood chamber, >>>but has a marked queen with a good >brood pattern. The weakest of the >>>other three hives must have had a >varoa problem (or the beekeeper >>>suspected a varoa problem), because it >is the only hive with Apistan >>>strips in place, put in just before >the move three weeks ago. I didn't >>>see the queen in this hive, but the >brood pattern is patchy, mostly >>>because there is lots of pollen in the >brood nest. I think the weak >>>hive and this hive should be combined, >but the weak hive has not been >>>given apistan, so the combining will >put some untreated bees into a >>>hive which has been treated (at least >partially so far). When is the >>>best time to combine these two hives? >After combining, should the >>>newly combined hive be treated again? >>> >>>2. Feeding: >>>None of the hives have much in the way >of honey stores. Each hive is >>>one deep and one mid depth super, >which is normal in this climate. >>>None of the hives have much capped >honey, but all have some uncured >>>nectar in open cells, so there must be >at least enough honey flow on >>>right now to allow the bees to feed >their brood. I'm assuming that the >>>honey flow will pick up a little bit >as we get closer to cold weather. >>>I'm thinking to recommend feeding >about 3 - 4 gallons of 2:1 sugar >>>syrup to each hive, which should be >the equivalent of about 30 - 40 >>>lbs of honey for each hive. Does this >seem like the right amount for >>>this climate? Is it best to feed early >or late? In this climate, it >>>would be possible to delay feeding >until late October or early >>>November, but is there any advantage >to waiting? >>> >>>3. Varoa: >>>I've had no experience with Varoa. I >understand that the most common >>>treatment is Apistan strips, and the >beekeeper has provided enough >>>strips for the fall treatment. When >should the strips be put on, and >>>for how long? I think I have heard for >40 days? >>> >>>4. Tracheal mite: >>>Is it advisable / necessary to treat >for tracheal mite, and if so, >>>what is the best / recommended >treatment? >>> >>>Thanks in advance for your help with >these urgent (to us) questions. >>> >>>Michael Purcell >> > >RIFF„J From purcell@atlanta.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ60!supernews.com!remarQ.com!gestalt!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail From: purcell@atlanta.com (Michael Purcell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two Queen Hives (Was: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:09:04 GMT Organization: Epoch Internet Lines: 240 Message-ID: <37c59dcd.2046869@news.eni.net> References: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> <7q0akh$1tfi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c687cc.3622540@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.pool.atl800.gw.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20600 stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) wrote: >Hi, > > OK, so I'm ignorant . > > But, why do people just >automatically kill a queen, when >combining hives ? > > What is so objectionable >about two-queen hives ? > > Also, a two-queen hive that loses >a queen, is still productive; and I >would imagine, at small loss of >harvest . > > What is it I'm missing here ? > >Ken Ken, It is generally considered good management practice to requeen hives each year, usually in early spring. The main reason is that a queen will often not have enough eggs to continue completely through the second year, and will be superseded. By requeening each year, it is assured that the queen will have enough eggs to keep the brood box full of brood, and the lineage of the queen will be known. The normal recommendation for combining hives, is to put the weaker hive on top, separate the two boxes with a sheet of newspaper, and let the bees decide which queen they will keep. You will never wind up with a two queen colony if you do this. Deliberately creating two queen colonies is another matter entirely, and certainly not objectionable. I managed between two and fourteen colonies over a period of about 10 years (as a hobbyist), and almost all of them were operated as two queen colonies. There is some information in the literature about double queen colonies, but not a lot, and perhaps not easy to find. For Ken, and others who are interested, here are some of the pros and cons of double queening, and a description of the method I used. While a really strong double queen hive can produce more than twice as much honey as a really strong single queen hive, I have never heard of this practice being used by commercial outfits. The practice is so labor intensive, that the gains in honey production are more than offset by the cost of labor. Pro: More honey production per hive. Automatic yearly requeening of hives. Can be used to produce comb honey. It's really fun to do! Con: Labor intensive. Requires that hives be in two deep brood chambers. Requires extra equipment. You may need a step ladder to reach the top super. Following is a description of the method I used to double queen hives. This supposes standard Langstroth equipment as used in the US. I don't know how these methods would apply to other styles of equipment such as used in UK, etc. Hives should be wintered in two deep brood boxes per hive, with lots of honey and pollen to encourage fast early brood build-up in the spring. My best (exceptional) two queen colonies produced nearly 500 pounds of surplus honey, and still went into the winter with 100 or more pounds of surplus honey in the brood nest. Order new queens for each hive to arrive as early as possible, around April 1 in the South, or around May 1 in the far North of the US. I always had the queens marked with the proper color for the year so that I could track which queen survived each year. Equipment: Make double screen boards from #8 hardware cloth (1/8 inch openings) with a wood rim of 3/4 inch x 1-1/2 inch wood. The two screens should be about 1/2 to 3/4 inch apart, and supported so that they can not bend together in the center. The double screen board needs a small entrance notch at the center on one end to make the rear entrance for the upper half of the colony. The entrance notch should be about 1-1/2 inch by 3/8 inch. One wood bound queen excluder for each double queen colony. Should have an additional 3/8 inch board nailed to one side all around to make the extra space necessary at the bottom of the upper brood chamber. Leave a 4 inch gap in the center of one end of the rim, to make an entrance for the upper half of the brood nest during double queen operation. A second queen excluder for each hive, can be either wood bound or wire bound, and does not need an additional rim. Description of management: Manage the colonies so that they get as fast a start with brood rearing as possible. We need lots of brood and bees when it is time to make the splits. When the queens arrive, take the colony apart and examine the brood nest. Divide the colony so that the top half, which you build on the double screen board as a bottom board, will have about 60% of the existing brood, including a majority of the capped brood. Leave as much as possible the eggs and young larvae in the lower brood nest. Shake more than half of the bees into the top box (remembering that only the hive attendants will remain - the field bees will fly back to the front entrance and enter the lower chamber). Find the queen and put her in the lower box. Divide the honey and pollen stores about equally between the two boxes. When the two brood chambers are reassembled, with the old queen in the lower box, put the upper box with the double screen as a bottom board on top of the lower box, with the entrance notch to the rear, and put one of the new queens in her queen cage into the top box so that she will be released in a couple of days. I always left all 10 frames in the box and shoved the queen cage between two frames in the middle. The goal in dividing the brood and bees is to wind up with the top colony not as strong as the bottom colony, but strong enough in bees so that the new queen can start laying at full speed right away, and enough bees foraging to bring in the needed honey and pollen. Having most of the caped brood in the upper colony will allow it to increase in strength of bees quickly, and provide lots of empty brood cells for the new queen to fill with eggs. When the hive is completely reassembled, you now have two colonies that are completely separate, but share the same air space, and thus will continue to have the same hive smell. Because of the double screen, the bees will not be able to share food with one another, or fight with one another, etc.. The new queen will always be accepted in the upper colony. (I never had one where she wasn't, as far as I remember.) About four weeks after making the divides, you should see eggs, larvae and capped brood in both brood boxes. The queen in the upper brood box will have had new bees from her own eggs emerging for about a week. At this time, remove the double screen and replace it with a wood bound queen excluder and rim, with the entrance notch to the rear. Place a second queen excluder above the top brood chamber, and put a new empty honey super over the excluder. If the main honey flow is already coming on at this point, you may need more than one super. You now have a full fledged double queen colony. The bees that were accustomed to using the rear entrance from the upper brood chamber will continue to do so, and the bees will start mixing together. However, since the hive smell is the same in both boxes. and the two queen's pheromone smell is also shared, there will be no fighting, and the bees will all accept both queens. I never had a colony eliminate one of the queens after the queen excluder was substituted for the double screen board. About three weeks before the end of the main honey flow, remove the queen excluder from between the two hive bodies. You do not have to kill the old queen, just let the bees do it. The newer queen from the upper brood chamber will *always* be accepted by the colony, and the older queen from the bottom brood chamber will *always* disappear. You do not need two queens making new bees after this point, since it takes three weeks for all the bees to emerge. When the main honey flow is over, get the surplus honey off and extracted fairly soon. I never supered or took any surplus honey in the Fall, as I wanted the hives very heavy going into the winter. I haven't had bees since the arrival of Varoa mite in the US, so I don't have experience of using Apistan while preparing two queen colonies, but I don't see why it couldn't work out ok. In theory, a beekeeper could get a pretty good surplus of honey the first year by using the above equipment arrangement, but installing a package of bees and new queen in each half of the double screened hive, on new frames of foundation. The bottom half would need to be fed with a boardman feeder, or an internal feeder, while a top feeder or internal feeder could be used in the upper half. Assuming that a new hive started on foundation from a single package of bees would not produce any surplus honey the first year, this might even be cost effective for the hobbyist beekeeper, if he got say a hundred pounds of surplus honey from that hive. I have not tried this. Michael Purcell stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) wrote: >Hi, > > OK, so I'm ignorant . > > But, why do people just >automatically kill a queen, when >combining hives ? > > What is so objectionable >about two-queen hives ? > > Seems to me, like this is an >obvious way to get the maximum >spring growth in the population, >and our hives are easy to adapt >to a queen, and an entrance at >each end(top, and bottom) . > > Also, a two-queen hive that loses >a queen, is still productive; and I >would imagine, at small loss of >harvest . > > What is it I'm missing here ? > >Ken . > > >On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:18:08 -0500, >"busybee" >wrote: > >>I would not consider extracting any of >the honey that you would expect to >>make in the next few weeks. Leave them >have all the honey and pollen they >>can gather. Combine the hives, feed >and medicate, and let them hold their >>own until they are strong enough again >to possibly split again in the >>spring. I don't know when your >particular honey flows come on but be >sure >>to pull strips a good 45 days before a >such an event. I would requeen each >>of the colonies regardless (I would do >it in the spring). Definately >>consider a coumaphas treatment and use >it as directed. >> >>--Busybee From mica@thegrid.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Lines: 92 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:09:31 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.43.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935716379 209.162.43.103 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:12:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:12:59 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14391 alt.non.sequitur:64918 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20601 Beekeeper wrote: >mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> > > >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> > > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> > > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a > >> >> >> >> >>loud purring sound. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made > >> >> >> >> >more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full > >> >> >> >> >of rocks. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one > >> >> >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early > >> >> >> >> >>in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, > >> >> >> >> >you most likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my > >> >> >> >> >>siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would > >> >> >> >> >>think a noise this loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud > >> >> >> >> >>and clear), would require a large hive. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that > >> >> >> >> >even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I > >> >> >> >> >think you should look again. You probably just imagined it. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling > >> >> >> >> >>fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power > >> >> >> >> >tools. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said > >> >> >> >> >seems to indicate that you have bees. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i > >> >> >> >> know some people who are into that sort of thing > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't > >> >> >ask) > >> >> > > >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you > >> >> think? > >> >> > >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like that > >> > > >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with > >> >spooky bunny, if you already have that. > >> > >> too rich for my blood > > > >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly > > it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big > european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit more sleep-with-able than vlade. From obriens@sky.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!attbtf!ip.att.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <7q3tnn$sl6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:12:05 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 935723574 209.90.4.118 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:12:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:12:54 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20602 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7q3tnn$sl6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Peter Thoem wrote in message <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net>... >>and within a very few minutes the>>pain goes completely. >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ >The pain does not last for very long whether treated or not - perhaps about >a minute. The problem for new beekeepers is the swelling and itching. > Agreed; as a small time beekeeper and a full time person with MS who uses bee stings (over 100 a week) as a treatment, I can vouch that the pain is very transitory. A minute or so and then kind of turns to a warm feeling. Of course, for someone who is not used to it on a regular basis, they are going to have the itching which starts up a day or so later and when you have 10 or 20 sting spots iching like crazy, it can be uncomfortable. Compared to the itching, the pain is minor. I remember well the itching period I went through last year. But it to goes away and doesn't come back. We people who do the stings on purpose can't use the benedryl or whatever to block the itching, because it negates the reason we are making the bees sting us. > John O'Brien From obriens@sky.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.tli.de!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37c2afc8.8224084@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <_wnx3.3$S84.528727@alpha.sky.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:22:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 935724218 209.90.4.118 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:23:38 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:23:38 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20603 fltdeck1 wrote in message <37c2afc8.8224084@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... >affect your success. Generally a full frame of honey (super) should >be robbed out in one to two days. Speaking of robbing; I had an enlightening experience a couple weeks ago. I have MS and have difficulty lifting much weight, so when I took my top super off and took out all the frames, which were all full, I had to leave a couple of them out while I took the rest in the house. For several reasons, I was not able to get back to the other frames for a couple hours. When I went back down to get them, they were covered with bees and little scraps of wax was all around. Two frames had been completely stripped and they were working on the others. I shook them off and took in what was left, but I was stunned that they could do so much in so little time. John O'Brien From buzz@apiary.org Sun Aug 29 07:41:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: buzz@apiary.org (Beekeeper) Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:33:29 GMT Organization: IIIrd Beekeeper Lines: 99 Message-ID: <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> References: <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-295.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14395 alt.non.sequitur:64925 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20604 On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:09:31 -0800, mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >Beekeeper wrote: > >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a >> >> >> >> >> >>loud purring sound. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made >> >> >> >> >> >more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full >> >> >> >> >> >of rocks. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one >> >> >> >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early >> >> >> >> >> >>in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, >> >> >> >> >> >you most likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my >> >> >> >> >> >>siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would >> >> >> >> >> >>think a noise this loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud >> >> >> >> >> >>and clear), would require a large hive. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that >> >> >> >> >> >even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I >> >> >> >> >> >think you should look again. You probably just imagined it. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling >> >> >> >> >> >>fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power >> >> >> >> >> >tools. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said >> >> >> >> >> >seems to indicate that you have bees. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i >> >> >> >> >> know some people who are into that sort of thing >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't >> >> >> >ask) >> >> >> > >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you >> >> >> think? >> >> >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like that >> >> > >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with >> >> >spooky bunny, if you already have that. >> >> >> >> too rich for my blood >> > >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues > >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit more >sleep-with-able than vlade. SPEAK FOR YOURSELF From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scrubbers Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:46:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7q556l$shk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37c5953c.1902313131@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.74 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 27 04:46:15 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.74 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20605 jhind@mindspring.com wrote: >why were the girls out there scrubbing when they were really starving? > > Joe ************************************************************ Hi, Joe, It will be interesting to see explanations offered by others. My opinion is that scrubbing is a result of boredom -- too many workers for the chores, so they make it look like they are busy ! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 67 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:16:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.127 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935724043 38.11.203.127 (Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:20:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:20:43 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168154 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:178 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20606 Adam Finkelstein philosophizes: >However, since prions and >even viruses don't really replicate via DNA There is a big difference and very significant, Viruses that do have annoying habits of hardly appearing alive at all do, nonetheless, have DNA. Prions are the first "whatever" to exhibit life like behavior and replicate themselves without any DNA present. Maybe they're from outer space. Maybe it's an invasion? >The concept of randomness permeates evolutionary biology and via selection >and levels of selection working together, things just happen. Scientist can observe and prove that things "just happen" but they can't explain why it happens. You might as well throw in all those other things that just happened, like the Big Bang. For those that have to have a reason, there are all those "belief systems" well established, and some quite old, to tell you who's responsible. >The best illustrative example I can give is that of a balloon being squeezed >between your hands--it bulges outward. This is a good way to view the >random and selection working together. This is not a good example, think of a better one. >I'd say prions, viruses and soon to be know other sub-life forms exist because > they appeared by chance and selection. No mechanistic or teleological forces > produced them. The problem is that statement is too simple and demands yet more "faith" in the mysteries of the universe. >You can think whatever you want. That's true for good and evil. >I think that chance rules. Einstein didn't think that, but he did not like the uncertainty principle either. Charles Kroeger - The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mystical. It is the sower of all true art and science. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exist, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty. This feeling is at the center of true religiousness. In this sense, and only this sense, I belong to the ranks of devoutly religious men. Albert Einstein From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rotten year? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:00:09 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <37c8d3b0.23052203@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <37c18e0c.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20607 Hi, This reminds me of something I've had worrying me a bit . The bees mad lots of honey this year, and I left them plenty for the winter . But recently, there's all sorts of flying, and foraging, but I don't see any bees returning with pollen . Is this something to be concerned about ? On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:11:08 -0400, "Ralph Landry" wrote: >Gabe, >I think I have the same problem, but due to different climatic reasons. >I live in the Mountains of Western North Carolina, our night time >temperatures have been in the high to mid 50's almost this entire summer >season. We have some nice warm days but I think the cold nights have >brood rearing down. I see lots of wild flowers and I started with 4lb >packages, with drawn frames and with pollen and honey in most of them. >But they have yet to fill even one shallow super on three different >hives. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rotten year? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:00:09 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 65 Message-ID: <37c60fbe.1856476@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <37c18e0c.0@newsman.viper.net> <37c190b9.8528753@news.cidial.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20608 Hi, You can call it global warming, if you want to, but there hasn't been a single week this year, when I didn't feel it necessary to heat the house on at least one day . This week, looks to be the first . But, the plants thrive on the bright days constantly interrupted by cool, and showery days; and the bees did so wonderfully well, in consequence . We've had one, long, continuous, spring this year . Ken . On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:42:51 GMT, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) wrote: >Well, Yankees with a drought, I never... And George Bush said there was no >global warming; as the media would have it, we're now going to get the Son. > >Well I can't complain, here in the Texas Panhandle (34.94N X 101.69 W) I'm >up on the Cap rock too, that means 3600 feet of altitude. It's been the best >year since about 18,000 BC. I've got around 80 pounds per hive, an >unimaginable amount here. > >A pity I didn't have 200 hives. Still I don't count on winning the lottery, >but that's what happened this year. > >What can I tell you. The climate is shot now, things are going to happen on >a regional basis from now on. > >The dice are always rolling, better luck next year. > > >Charles Kroeger > >- >When we get piled upon one another in large cities, we shall >become as corrupt as in Europe, and go to eating one another as >they do there. > >Thomas Jefferson > > From mica@thegrid.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Lines: 101 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:21:04 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.40.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935738679 209.162.40.54 (Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:24:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:24:39 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14424 alt.non.sequitur:64958 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20609 Beekeeper wrote: > mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> > >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> > > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> > > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a > >> >> >> >> >> >>loud purring sound. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made > >> >> >> >> >> >more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full > >> >> >> >> >> >of rocks. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one > >> >> >> >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early > >> >> >> >> >> >>in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, > >> >> >> >> >> >you most likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my > >> >> >> >> >> >>siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would > >> >> >> >> >> >>think a noise this loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud > >> >> >> >> >> >>and clear), would require a large hive. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that > >> >> >> >> >> >even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I > >> >> >> >> >> >think you should look again. You probably just imagined it. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling > >> >> >> >> >> >>fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power > >> >> >> >> >> >tools. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said > >> >> >> >> >> >seems to indicate that you have bees. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i > >> >> >> >> >> know some people who are into that sort of thing > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't > >> >> >> >ask) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you > >> >> >> think? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like > >> >> >that > >> >> > > >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with > >> >> >spooky bunny, if you already have that. > >> >> > >> >> too rich for my blood > >> > > >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly > >> > >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big > >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues > > > >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit more > >sleep-with-able than vlade. > > SPEAK FOR YOURSELF what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. From Chris.Brown@arm.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!cambridge.arm.com!news From: Chris.omitthisbit.Brown@arm.andthisbit.com (Chris Brown) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Date: 27 Aug 1999 10:04:22 GMT Organization: ARM Ltd. Message-ID: <7q5nr6$nl6@sis.cambridge.arm.com> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> Reply-To: Chris.Brown@arm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sun71.cambridge.arm.com Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168156 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:179 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20610 In article <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com>, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >Adam Finkelstein philosophizes: > >>However, since prions and >>even viruses don't really replicate via DNA > >There is a big difference and very significant, Viruses that do have >annoying habits of hardly appearing alive at all do, nonetheless, >have DNA. Retroviruses (e.g. HIV, influenza) don't have DNA. >Prions are the first "whatever" to exhibit life like behavior and replicate >themselves without any DNA present. Bzzt, thanks for playing. PRP is a protein produced in the nervous system of animals and coded for by their, you guessed it, DNA. It is produced through the normal mechanism of protein production in the cell. There is an abnormal form which clogs up the cells and eventually destroys them. This abnormal form catalyses its own production from the normal form, but it does *not* replicate itself. It needs a supply of the normal form which is produced by the host cells. -- /* _ */main(int k,char**n){char*i=k&1?"+L*;99,RU[,RUo+BeKAA+BECACJ+CAACA" /* / ` */"CD+LBCACJ*":1[n],j,l=!k,m;do for(m=*i-48,j=l?m/k:m%k;m>>7?k=1< Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Alternatives to smoke Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:07:33 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <000001bef073$fad01a00$02000003@allend> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _QP/eju3LKsKJPMpx9YH8Tg= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20611 > We are now selling liquid bee smoke, it works great for quick manipulations > in the hive, but if you plan on being in the hive for a long time you still > need your smoker. > >I remember a whiles back, somebody mentioned using a spray bottle with > >water & peppermint in it to calm bees down. Then today somebody else > >mentioned vanilla water. Keep in mind that, if you are producing honey, whatever you spray into the hive will be extracted with your honey. Liquid smoke, available in aerosol cans has definitely resulted in tainted honey. I've had a beekeeper come to me to ask what is wrong with his honey, and that, as it turned out, was the problem . Unless the liquid smoke has a food quality rating, it could be dangerous. Smoke can contain things like creosote, which is a powerful carcinogen. Liquid smoke is a concentrated form of smoke suspended in water or some similar carrier. Smokers are bad enough in the hands of thoughtless beekeepers, since they can result in ash in open cells, and taint the exposed honey if used to excess, but the liquid smoke actually is a fairly coarse liquid spray, not a gas and fine suspension of solids like real smoke, and must land, and stay, on something -- just as spray paint does. Even if it is food rated, using liquid smoke can easily result in a beekeeper producing a flavoured product that is not 'pure honey', if used in any great quantity. I used a liuid smoke once and, yes, it does work, sorta, and I thought it was a great idea for a little while, but I eventually threw away the rest of the can. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scrubbers Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:04:55 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 71 Message-ID: <7q5pl4$sme$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37c5953c.1902313131@news.emji.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935750116 29390 209.130.165.81 (27 Aug 1999 10:35:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 1999 10:35:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20612 My guess is that you left them nothing to do but stay home to build wax. How many undrawn and partially undrawn wax frames in the hive? You said your honeyflow ended after the first week...but you fed 2 pounds of sugar each day? Did you extract the honey from your spring honeyflow or did you leave it for them to build up on? Also - you and your co-worker need to resist the urge to "check in" so often...increase the amount of feed so you are not doing it daily. Feeding daily/weekly/every two weeks is not what I would advocate, I'm just trying to get across the fact that you not go into the hives so often. --Busybee --Busybee jhind@mindspring.com wrote in message <37c5953c.1902313131@news.emji.net>... >First of all, thanks to all the emailed replies on my Fibromyalgia >question. > >My partner in crime and I have an 'at work' hive (the company we work >for is small and cool enuf to let us raise bees on the property) that >we started this spring. They're not dead so I guess we're not doing >too bad. The thing I've noticed is that they have been scrubbers >almost from the beginning (package of Midnites for those wondering). >During the spring honeyflow they were so numerous they literally >covered the 2 deeps and shallow super they are housed in, every one of >them scrubbing away. > >Well, we had a point of corrective surgery we had to go thru...Since >they were building nothing but burr comb on the plastic foundation, we >wanted to get the plastic foundation frames out. Our solution was to >move the plastic frames above the queen excluder with the partly drawn >wax shallow and put the undrawn wax deeps below. We also promised not >to pop the top for a quick peek for 3 weeks (which was becoming a >morning ritual (yes...newbies)). So for 3 weeks we watched them scrub, >scrub, scrub. > >The honeyflow ended after the 1st week so we noticed a drop in >scrubbers. But, hey, they were out there so thumbs up to the newbies. >We jumped our invasion by two days and found that they had corrected >their burr building on the plastic frames and had hardly touched the >wax frames. So our decision was to replace the undrawn wax frames w/ >the correctly drawn plastic frames. We also noticed that they had >plenty of honey and pollen stores (the shallow was almost full) and >Bruce was laying in a good pattern (Bruce is the queen of course). >Since everything that was in the hive body was drawn out and pretty >much filled we put a super on top. Next invasion in 2 weeks. > >And the girls scrubbed and scrubbed and scrubbed. Not as many as >before, but hey, scrubbing bees means a strong hive, right? Well, >this time we were patient and very surprised to see that all those >scrubbing bees were lying to us about the health of the hive. Bruce >aka Old Mother Hubbard was still laying, but the cupboard was >definitly bare. Either the drought has kept nectar gathering to a >minimum (some days it was so hot the girls didn't even leave the hive) >or they've been loafing on the front porch from real duties. In any >case, the shallow came out replaced by syrup filled ziplocks (it's fun >to see a coworker cringe when you invert a filled bag over his head) >and later (since we ran out of bags) a bowl with an insect screen ramp >filled with syrup. And the girls are still scrubbing. > >I'm writing this today because this is the first day that they didn't >go through their daily feed of 2lbs of sugar (yes everyday we've been >feeding them 2lbs of sugar) in about 2-3 weeks. I think it's safe to >say the worst is over. So now the loaded question...why were the girls >out there scrubbing when they were really starving? > >Joe From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: attract or raise bumblebees Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:28:34 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37C65A42.1D7C@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.a3.94 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Aug 1999 13:03:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20613 How does one attract or raise bumblebees? One biocontrol agent is selling them at $145 a hive, so I wondered what it would take to attract them from the wild. From foster2@earthlink.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:50 EDT 1999 Article: 20614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Dave F." Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:15:52 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 27 Aug 1999 14:00:01 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Aug 27 07:05:10 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 109 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: foster2@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust171.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37C69D98.645E@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14431 alt.non.sequitur:64969 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20614 The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote: > > Beekeeper wrote: > > > mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > > > >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > >> > > >> >Beekeeper wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a > > >> >> >> >> >> >>loud purring sound. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made > > >> >> >> >> >> >more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full > > >> >> >> >> >> >of rocks. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one > > >> >> >> >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early > > >> >> >> >> >> >>in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, > > >> >> >> >> >> >you most likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my > > >> >> >> >> >> >>siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would > > >> >> >> >> >> >>think a noise this loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud > > >> >> >> >> >> >>and clear), would require a large hive. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that > > >> >> >> >> >> >even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I > > >> >> >> >> >> >think you should look again. You probably just imagined it. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling > > >> >> >> >> >> >>fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power > > >> >> >> >> >> >tools. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said > > >> >> >> >> >> >seems to indicate that you have bees. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i > > >> >> >> >> >> know some people who are into that sort of thing > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't > > >> >> >> >ask) > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you > > >> >> >> think? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like > > >> >> >that > > >> >> > > > >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with > > >> >> >spooky bunny, if you already have that. > > >> >> > > >> >> too rich for my blood > > >> > > > >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly > > >> > > >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big > > >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues > > > > > >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit more > > >sleep-with-able than vlade. > > > > SPEAK FOR YOURSELF > > what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. will i see him at the grand union? -- dave f.'s comix every tuesday at http://members.tripod.com/~d_foster/comix.html From idbwg@tin.it Sun Aug 29 07:41:51 EDT 1999 Article: 20615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!colt.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "Francesca Carbonaro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RED SICILIAN ORANGES Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:17:08 +0200 Organization: TIN Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7q66ff$8hl$1@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-ct6-52.tin.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20615 I SELL RED SICILIAN ORANGES. For information: francescacarbonaro@virgilio.it http://space.tin.it/economia/idbgr From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:52 EDT 1999 Article: 20616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RED SICILIAN ORANGES Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:08:44 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7q6bed$pd9$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7q66ff$8hl$1@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20616 "Francesca Carbonaro" wrote: >I SELL RED SICILIAN ORANGES. >For information: >francescacarbonaro@virgilio.it >http://space.tin.it/economia/idbgr And your posting in sci.agriculture.beekeeping because? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:53 EDT 1999 Article: 20617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: attract or raise bumblebees Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:12:39 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7q6kb4$jqb$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37C65A42.1D7C@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.5 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 935777444 20299 12.72.47.5 (27 Aug 1999 18:10:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 1999 18:10:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20617 Attract vs raise kind of depends on your purpose. For a greenhouse, you will need to raise them. If you just want to attract, plant accordingly (lavenders, sages, onetheria, etc). -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there David Smith wrote in message news:37C65A42.1D7C@mindspring.com... > How does one attract or raise bumblebees? One > biocontrol agent is selling them at $145 a hive, so I > wondered what it would take to attract them from the wild. From nono@nono.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:53 EDT 1999 Article: 20618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controlled Robbing.....Advice Needed From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.79 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 935771573 216.98.69.79 (Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:32:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:32:53 EDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:32:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20618 Okay, here is what I have found out since posing this question. I put two frames of honey over the inner cover in a empty hive body. One frame I scratched the cappings and the other frame I didn't. After several days the frame that was scratched was cleaned out but the other frame was almost untouched. It is definitely not a good idea to let robbing get started in a bee yard. How far should on carry sticky bee equipment away from the yard in order to aviod bees killing and robbing each other? John R. In article , you@somehost.somedomain says... > >I have several partially filled frames of honey that I want a particular >colony to rob out as they will need it this winter. I don't want the >other colonies to get in on the feast. How can I restrict the robbing >to this one colony? I vaguely remember something about putting the >frames in a super and setting it on top of the hive with just a small >hole for the bees to crawl through. Does that sound right? > >John R. > From buzz@apiary.org Sun Aug 29 07:41:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: buzz@apiary.org (Beekeeper) Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:40:00 GMT Organization: IIIrd Beekeeper Lines: 109 Message-ID: <37f9cd2f.4864779@enews.newsguy.com> References: <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-270.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14450 alt.non.sequitur:64996 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20619 On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:21:04 -0800, mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >Beekeeper wrote: > >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a >> >> >> >> >> >> >>loud purring sound. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made >> >> >> >> >> >> >more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full >> >> >> >> >> >> >of rocks. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one >> >> >> >> >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early >> >> >> >> >> >> >>in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, >> >> >> >> >> >> >you most likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my >> >> >> >> >> >> >>siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would >> >> >> >> >> >> >>think a noise this loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud >> >> >> >> >> >> >>and clear), would require a large hive. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that >> >> >> >> >> >> >even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I >> >> >> >> >> >> >think you should look again. You probably just imagined it. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling >> >> >> >> >> >> >>fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power >> >> >> >> >> >> >tools. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said >> >> >> >> >> >> >seems to indicate that you have bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i >> >> >> >> >> >> know some people who are into that sort of thing >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't >> >> >> >> >ask) >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you >> >> >> >> think? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like >> >> >> >that >> >> >> > >> >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with >> >> >> >spooky bunny, if you already have that. >> >> >> >> >> >> too rich for my blood >> >> > >> >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly >> >> >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big >> >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues >> > >> >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit more >> >sleep-with-able than vlade. >> >> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF > >what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. i guess in a "hi i'm rony seikaly" sort of way, less the absolute value of european basketball hottie than a function of what might be From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: good buys on Apistan anywhere? Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:14:28 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37c6d267.143493508@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co57-26.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Aug 27 1:16:27 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20620 Hi all, Has anyone found recent deals on 100-packs of Apistan? Getting ready for fall management. Matthew Westall - Earthling Bees - Castle, Rock, CO From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Applauding Orange Julius Drink Bars Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:34:52 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7q6cvm$g22$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-20.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935769910 16450 209.130.165.20 (27 Aug 1999 16:05:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 1999 16:05:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20621 While the family and I were rushing through the mall to make a hair appt...daughter (5) yells out "Hey Mom! Look there's a beehive!" (I guess she has a trained eye to be on the lookout for anything bees to support my compulsive collecting habit) Sure enough! Orange Julius store had a poster in the doorway that offers 1 of 4 "Nutrilizers" to there drinks! Ooooohhhhh! I like it! Honey is one of them! Don't have too much more info cuz like I said we were in a rush! Anyone out there know more? --Busybee From orangerose@aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:41:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Aug 1999 18:29:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990827142947.29465.00000605@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20622 >We people >who do the stings on purpose can't use the benedryl or >whatever to block the itching, because it negates the >reason we are making the bees sting us. I haven't ever tried this on bee-stings, but it sure works on poison oak/ivy rashes. When I have a poison oak rash (I am very sensitive to it), I run the hottest water I can stand over the area. What I was told is that the cells in your skin release histamine at a rather steady rate, which keeps the skin itchy. The hot, hot water stimulates your skin cells to release all their histamine very quickly (and the rash tends to itch like crazy while the hot water is running). However, it takes two or three hours for the cells to replenish their histamine supply resulting in two or three hours of relief--well worth the few moments of stinging and intense itching under the faucet. Of course, you have to be careful to not *burn* yourself--just use hot tap water like for a good, hot shower--maybe a smidge hotter. Might be worth a try. Kelly From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Applauding Orange Julius Drink Bars Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:09:22 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7q6kb3$jqb$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7q6cvm$g22$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.5 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 935777443 20299 12.72.47.5 (27 Aug 1999 18:10:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 1999 18:10:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20623 I'd be interested to know if it is honey or the "honey" that other fast food restaurants use. I would suspect the latter. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there busybee wrote in message news:7q6cvm$g22$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > While the family and I were rushing through the mall to make a hair > appt...daughter (5) yells out "Hey Mom! Look there's a beehive!" (I guess > she has a trained eye to be on the lookout for anything bees to support my > compulsive collecting habit) > > Sure enough! Orange Julius store had a poster in the doorway that offers 1 > of 4 "Nutrilizers" to there drinks! Ooooohhhhh! I like it! Honey is one > of them! Don't have too much more info cuz like I said we were in a rush! > Anyone out there know more? > > --Busybee > > > From buzz@apiary.org Sun Aug 29 07:41:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: buzz@apiary.org (Beekeeper) Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:40:10 GMT Organization: IIIrd Beekeeper Lines: 112 Message-ID: <37facd73.4932489@enews.newsguy.com> References: <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> <37C69D98.645E@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-272.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14474 alt.non.sequitur:65020 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20624 On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:15:52 -0400, "Dave F." wrote: >The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote: >> >> Beekeeper wrote: >> >> > mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> > >> > >Beekeeper wrote: >> > > >> > >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, make a >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>loud purring sound. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, made >> > >> >> >> >> >> >more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a coffeecan full >> > >> >> >> >> >> >of rocks. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, in one >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is usually early >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite loud. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your attic, >> > >> >> >> >> >> >you most likely have a hive of kitties napping in there. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in my >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I would >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>think a noise this loud (hearing it through ceiling, loud >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>and clear), would require a large hive. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is that >> > >> >> >> >> >> >even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very loud. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, well, I >> > >> >> >> >> >> >think you should look again. You probably just imagined it. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing ceiling >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out the power >> > >> >> >> >> >> >tools. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or cheese. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of bees? >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've said >> > >> >> >> >> >> >seems to indicate that you have bees. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i >> > >> >> >> >> >> know some people who are into that sort of thing >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night (don't >> > >> >> >> >ask) >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do you >> > >> >> >> think? >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like >> > >> >> >that >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great with >> > >> >> >spooky bunny, if you already have that. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> too rich for my blood >> > >> > >> > >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly >> > >> >> > >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big >> > >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues >> > > >> > >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit more >> > >sleep-with-able than vlade. >> > >> > SPEAK FOR YOURSELF >> >> what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. > >will i see him at the grand union? own your self From mica@thegrid.net Sun Aug 29 07:41:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!news.globix.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dx738o.1w8z2igtslqaN@lax-ts6-h1-54-21.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> <37f9cd2f.4864779@enews.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Lines: 117 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:37:45 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.46.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935786471 209.162.46.232 (Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:41:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:41:11 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14481 alt.non.sequitur:65029 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20625 Beekeeper wrote: > mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> > >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> > > >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>make a loud purring sound. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >made more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a > >> >> >> >> >> >> >coffeecan full of rocks. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>in one specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>usually early in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>loud. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your > >> >> >> >> >> >> >attic, you most likely have a hive of kitties napping > >> >> >> >> >> >> >in there. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>my siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>would think a noise this loud (hearing it through > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>ceiling, loud and clear), would require a large hive. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >that even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very > >> >> >> >> >> >> >loud. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >well, I think you should look again. You probably just > >> >> >> >> >> >> >imagined it. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>ceiling fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out > >> >> >> >> >> >> >the power tools. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or > >> >> >> >> >> >> >cheese. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >bees? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've > >> >> >> >> >> >> >said seems to indicate that you have bees. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i > >> >> >> >> >> >> know some people who are into that sort of thing > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night > >> >> >> >> >(don't ask) > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do > >> >> >> >> you think? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like > >> >> >> >that > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great > >> >> >> >with spooky bunny, if you already have that. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> too rich for my blood > >> >> > > >> >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly > >> >> > >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big > >> >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues > >> > > >> >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit more > >> >sleep-with-able than vlade. > >> > >> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF > > > >what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. > > i guess in a "hi i'm rony seikaly" sort of way, less the absolute > value of european basketball hottie than a function of what might be well, if you get him, let me know & i'll come try out for the part of the neighbor. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 29 07:42:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37c705df.14882278@news.cidial.com> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> <7q5nr6$nl6@sis.cambridge.arm.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:58:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.215 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935791353 38.11.203.215 (Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:02:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:02:33 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168174 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:180 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20626 Chris Brown says this about viruses and prions: >Retroviruses (e.g. HIV, influenza) don't have DNA. Yes but, they have RNA. Retroviruses are any group of viruses that, unlike most other viruses and all cellular organisms, carry their genetic blueprint in the form of ribonucleic acid. Retroviruses are so named because, by means of a special enzyme called reverse transcriptase, they use RNA to synthesize deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). This constitutes a reversal of the usual cellular processes of transcription of DNA into RNA. The action of reverse transcriptase makes it possible for genetic material from a retrovirus to become permanently incorporated into the DNA genome of an infected cell. >PRP is a protein produced in the nervous system of animals and coded for > by their, you guessed it, DNA. Prions are an infectious agent of small size and unique composition; it appears to be composed solely of proteins, and lacks genetic material in the form of nucleic acids. Prions are the tiniest infectious agents known, with the rod-shaped individuals being beyond the resolving power of all but the most powerful electron microscope. Among the diseases either conclusively or tentatively identified as being caused by prions are scrapie (a neurological disorder of sheep), Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and kuru (both occurring in humans). The apparent absence of nucleic acids in prions presents scientists with a puzzling phenomenon, since nucleic acids are the basic reproductive material in all other life forms. > This abnormal form (the Prion) catalyses its own >production from the normal form, but it does *not* replicate >itself. It needs a supply of the normal form which is produced by the >host cells. OK, I will accept this as further research not known to me. Interesting. It is good to know they (Prions) are not then from outer space after all, bent on the eradication of Humans, sheep, and cows; although that might not be such a bad idea. Well, just a thought. Charles Kroeger - It is always reassuring to hear the opinion of an expert on these matters. Hercule Poirot From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two Queen Hives (Was: Fall Management Questions - Atlanta, GA USA) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:47:25 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 389 Message-ID: <37c7f666.5009796@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37c2be36.10331259@news.eni.net> <7q0akh$1tfi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37c687cc.3622540@news2.i-link-2.net> <37c59dcd.2046869@news.eni.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20627 Hi, What equipment might make multiple queening practical ? The one thing that worries me, is that point about not being able to form a proper cluster for the winter . Would styrofoam insulation overcome that limitation ? This seems like a place where a hobbyist could contribute, but we also have to live within the constraints of what is a bee . Ken . On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:09:04 GMT, purcell@atlanta.com (Michael Purcell) wrote: >stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) wrote: > >>Hi, >> >> OK, so I'm ignorant . >> >> But, why do people just >>automatically kill a queen, when >>combining hives ? >> >> What is so objectionable >>about two-queen hives ? >> >> Also, a two-queen hive that loses >>a queen, is still productive; and I >>would imagine, at small loss of >>harvest . >> >> What is it I'm missing here ? >> >>Ken > >Ken, > >It is generally considered good management practice to requeen hives >each year, usually in early spring. The main reason is that a queen >will often not have enough eggs to continue completely through the >second year, and will be superseded. By requeening each year, it is >assured that the queen will have enough eggs to keep the brood box >full of brood, and the lineage of the queen will be known. > >The normal recommendation for combining hives, is to put the weaker >hive on top, separate the two boxes with a sheet of newspaper, and let >the bees decide which queen they will keep. You will never wind up >with a two queen colony if you do this. > >Deliberately creating two queen colonies is another matter entirely, >and certainly not objectionable. I managed between two and fourteen >colonies over a period of about 10 years (as a hobbyist), and almost >all of them were operated as two queen colonies. > >There is some information in the literature about double queen >colonies, but not a lot, and perhaps not easy to find. For Ken, and >others who are interested, here are some of the pros and cons of >double queening, and a description of the method I used. > >While a really strong double queen hive can produce more than twice as >much honey as a really strong single queen hive, I have never heard of >this practice being used by commercial outfits. The practice is so >labor intensive, that the gains in honey production are more than >offset by the cost of labor. > >Pro: >More honey production per hive. >Automatic yearly requeening of hives. >Can be used to produce comb honey. >It's really fun to do! > >Con: >Labor intensive. >Requires that hives be in two deep brood chambers. >Requires extra equipment. >You may need a step ladder to reach the top super. > >Following is a description of the method I used to double queen hives. >This supposes standard Langstroth equipment as used in the US. I don't >know how these methods would apply to other styles of equipment such >as used in UK, etc. > >Hives should be wintered in two deep brood boxes per hive, with lots >of honey and pollen to encourage fast early brood build-up in the >spring. My best (exceptional) two queen colonies produced nearly 500 >pounds of surplus honey, and still went into the winter with 100 or >more pounds of surplus honey in the brood nest. Order new queens for >each hive to arrive as early as possible, around April 1 in the South, >or around May 1 in the far North of the US. I always had the queens >marked with the proper color for the year so that I could track which >queen survived each year. > >Equipment: > >Make double screen boards from #8 hardware cloth (1/8 inch openings) >with a wood rim of 3/4 inch x 1-1/2 inch wood. The two screens should >be about 1/2 to 3/4 inch apart, and supported so that they can not >bend together in the center. The double screen board needs a small >entrance notch at the center on one end to make the rear entrance for >the upper half of the colony. The entrance notch should be about 1-1/2 >inch by 3/8 inch. > >One wood bound queen excluder for each double queen colony. Should >have an additional 3/8 inch board nailed to one side all around to >make the extra space necessary at the bottom of the upper brood >chamber. Leave a 4 inch gap in the center of one end of the rim, to >make an entrance for the upper half of the brood nest during double >queen operation. > >A second queen excluder for each hive, can be either wood bound or >wire bound, and does not need an additional rim. > >Description of management: > >Manage the colonies so that they get as fast a start with brood >rearing as possible. We need lots of brood and bees when it is time to >make the splits. > >When the queens arrive, take the colony apart and examine the brood >nest. Divide the colony so that the top half, which you build on the >double screen board as a bottom board, will have about 60% of the >existing brood, including a majority of the capped brood. Leave as >much as possible the eggs and young larvae in the lower brood nest. >Shake more than half of the bees into the top box (remembering that >only the hive attendants will remain - the field bees will fly back to >the front entrance and enter the lower chamber). Find the queen and >put her in the lower box. Divide the honey and pollen stores about >equally between the two boxes. > >When the two brood chambers are reassembled, with the old queen in the >lower box, put the upper box with the double screen as a bottom board >on top of the lower box, with the entrance notch to the rear, and put >one of the new queens in her queen cage into the top box so that she >will be released in a couple of days. I always left all 10 frames in >the box and shoved the queen cage between two frames in the middle. > >The goal in dividing the brood and bees is to wind up with the top >colony not as strong as the bottom colony, but strong enough in bees >so that the new queen can start laying at full speed right away, and >enough bees foraging to bring in the needed honey and pollen. Having >most of the caped brood in the upper colony will allow it to increase >in strength of bees quickly, and provide lots of empty brood cells for >the new queen to fill with eggs. > >When the hive is completely reassembled, you now have two colonies >that are completely separate, but share the same air space, and thus >will continue to have the same hive smell. Because of the double >screen, the bees will not be able to share food with one another, or >fight with one another, etc.. The new queen will always be accepted in >the upper colony. (I never had one where she wasn't, as far as I >remember.) > >About four weeks after making the divides, you should see eggs, larvae >and capped brood in both brood boxes. The queen in the upper brood box >will have had new bees from her own eggs emerging for about a week. At >this time, remove the double screen and replace it with a wood bound >queen excluder and rim, with the entrance notch to the rear. Place a >second queen excluder above the top brood chamber, and put a new empty >honey super over the excluder. If the main honey flow is already >coming on at this point, you may need more than one super. > >You now have a full fledged double queen colony. The bees that were >accustomed to using the rear entrance >from the upper brood chamber >will continue to do so, and the bees will start mixing together. >However, since the hive smell is the same in both boxes. and the two >queen's pheromone smell is also shared, there will be no fighting, and >the bees will all accept both queens. I never had a colony eliminate >one of the queens after the queen excluder was substituted for the >double screen board. > >About three weeks before the end of the main honey flow, remove the >queen excluder from between the two hive bodies. You do not have to >kill the old queen, just let the bees do it. The newer queen from the >upper brood chamber will *always* be accepted by the colony, and the >older queen from the bottom brood chamber will *always* disappear. You >do not need two queens making new bees after this point, since it >takes three weeks for all the bees to emerge. > >When the main honey flow is over, get the surplus honey off and >extracted fairly soon. I never supered or took any surplus honey in >the Fall, as I wanted the hives very heavy going into the winter. > >I haven't had bees since the arrival of Varoa mite in the US, so I >don't have experience of using Apistan while preparing two queen >colonies, but I don't see why it couldn't work out ok. > >In theory, a beekeeper could get a pretty good surplus of honey the >first year by using the above equipment arrangement, but installing a >package of bees and new queen in each half of the double screened >hive, on new frames of foundation. The bottom half would need to be >fed with a boardman feeder, or an internal feeder, while a top feeder >or internal feeder could be used in the upper half. Assuming that a >new hive started on foundation from a single package of bees would not >produce any surplus honey the first year, this might even be cost >effective for the hobbyist beekeeper, if he got say a hundred pounds >of surplus honey from that hive. I have not tried this. > >Michael Purcell > >stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) wrote: > >>Hi, >> >> OK, so I'm ignorant . >> >> But, why do people just >>automatically kill a queen, when >>combining hives ? >> >> What is so objectionable >>about two-queen hives ? >> >> Seems to me, like this is an >>obvious way to get the maximum >>spring growth in the population, >>and our hives are easy to adapt >>to a queen, and an entrance at >>each end(top, and bottom) . >> >> Also, a two-queen hive that loses >>a queen, is still productive; and I >>would imagine, at small loss of >>harvest . >> >> What is it I'm missing here ? >> >>Ken . >> >> >>On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:18:08 -0500, >>"busybee" >>wrote: >> >>>I would not consider extracting any of >>the honey that you would expect to >>>make in the next few weeks. Leave them >>have all the honey and pollen they >>>can gather. Combine the hives, feed >>and medicate, and let them hold their >>>own until they are strong enough again >>to possibly split again in the >>>spring. I don't know when your >>particular honey flows come on but be >>sure >>>to pull strips a good 45 days before a >>such an event. I would requeen each >>>of the colonies regardless (I would do >>it in the spring). Definately >>>consider a coumaphas treatment and use >>it as directed. >>> >>>--Busybee From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:51:58 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 95 Message-ID: <37cdffb1.7389542@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <37C35C1F.28793985@valley.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168175 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:181 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20628 Hi, Does this imply, then, that the Douglas fir forests of the Pacific Northwest are a result of intermittent volcanic activity that disrupts the prosperity of deciduous trees here ? And what is the factor in Siberia, or other places where conifers predominate over broad leafs ? Interesting . Ken . On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:59:43 -0400, Bill Greenrose wrote: >Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >> The evidence is firm that when conditions are moderate to ideal over >> long >> periods of time (say,10 million years) a huge bio diversity does develop. >> If there were no asteroids, ice ages, or humans to kill off large numbers of >> this naturally occurring diversity, it's no telling how rich it would >> become. >> > >actually, it's the other way around, if you accept the evidence presented in >the fossil record as explained by the theory of quantum evolution or punctuated >equilibria [as coined by eldredge and gould]. pe posits that the generation of >new species is limited, once most of the niches in the ecosystem have been >filled, that is, the victors have won out in the competition to have their >particular dna dominate. essentially, there are long periods of stasis in which >species change little, and it is the introduction of change to the system [e.g. >large meteorite hit] that throws the system into chaos, greatly reducing the >number of individuals in the dominant species, allowing other organisms to >rapidly expand and diversify into the newly created vacuum. > >you can see the same sort of thing on a smaller scale, when you look at a mature >forest, for example, an eastern north american deciduous forest is composed >primarily [greater than 90%] of oaks and maples, all other species having been >squeezed out, except for small microcosms. when a major disturbance occurs, >fire, farming, etc. and the forest is allowed to regrow, there is a huge >increase in the biodiversity of both plant and animal species, as all compete to >fill the available space. eventually, in a couple of hundred years, the forest >returns to primarily an oak and maple composition. > >of course, this is only a theory. > >bill > >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:52:00 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 81 Message-ID: <37d0032e.8282936@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37b92703.61121754@news.gte.net> <7p9h6q$og6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7pa6ek$g1g$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <7pv6kk$r9m$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7pvabc$etl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <7q0j7q$ovk$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7q0oa4$1hfg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20629 Hi, I'm no Christian, but I was raised in a Christian Nation, and sometimes it comes out : God Provides . We're cursed with the plague of varroa mites, and along comes the Africanized Bee, that is resistant to varroa mites . Not my preferred choise, of a solution, but mankind would go hungry, without the european honeybee, so the tradeoff is a net gain . Almost makes me believe in religion . Ken . On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:11:14 -0500, "busybee" wrote: >Good point! I think you have said it before and I agree with you that its >more profitable to treat than to cure. > >--Busybee > >honeybs wrote in message <7q0j7q$ovk$2@news1.Radix.Net>... >>"George Styer" wrote: >> >>>Why is profitability such a bad thing to so many? If beekeeping was not at >>>least marginally profitable, who do you think would do it? How long could >>>you stand to lose money before you had to do something else? I don't >suppose >>>you give bees free to your customers, do you? >> >>>-- >>>Geo >> >>You totally missed the point. Researchers have job security >>as long as our bees are dying. To find a cure would be a >>bad thing for them. The net result is that we gain very >>little. Medicine is the same way. They haven't cured >>anything since polio! >> >>You, me, and everybody else is paying but we ain't receiving >>anything back. We get costly treatments; never a cure. >> >>Greg the beekeep >> >> >> >> // Bee Just & Just Bee! >> =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA >> \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs >> >> >> > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:51:54 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 58 Message-ID: <37cafb17.6211051@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20630 Hi, Once they REALLY get their dander up, I suspect that's going to be their status, till that generation works themselves to death . The main thing, is to prevent them >from going totally ballistic that first time . I'm embarassed to keep harping on it, but when my neighbor showed me the total difference, between bees worked with a fine spray from a garden hose, and my bees, I became a convert . When they start acting on "alert" pheromones, stop and gently sprinkle/hose them from a few feet away . While you're at it, they seem to dislike a wet bee suit too, and on these hot summer days, you've an excuse to be more comfortable in your white sauna suit . Ken . On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:57:52 -0500, "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: >Just a question on a hive of bees. I just moved this hive, two hundred >miles. When I picked it up, we went through it frame by frame looking for >the queen, and doing a general check without any protection. Now still after >two weeks, they are looking for anything that moves within 50 feet. How long >do you will they act this way? Does anyone know. I went today and looked >over a super of honey, smoked them gently and lost about 50 bees over >various parts of me:) a dozen got through.Haha. >Wont have a problem with anyone stealing honey. But it has my curiosity up >thanks >preacher > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a package in 3 Mediums Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:51:41 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 60 Message-ID: <37c8f8d0.5627751@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990825120840.24618.00004486@ng-cl1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20631 Hi, I've read that there is talk among the commercial beekeepers, to make the western super their only hive box just to standardize, and simplify, their inventory . The only difference I can think of, would be that it might stretch the brood frames out into a third super, and complicate extraction . You might consider using a queen excluder at the top of the third super . Ken . On 25 Aug 1999 16:08:40 GMT, spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) wrote: >Hello All, > > I submitted what I thought was a sensible question to the BEE-L list, >which was rejected on grounds that it was not "informed" or the answer could be >found in beginning beekeeping texts. Well, I 'll be damned if I can find the >answer to my question in Hive and the Honey Bee, The ABC-XYZ of Honey Bees, or >the Beekeeper's Handbook. Nor is the answer in the BEE-L searchable archives. > So, I thought I would come to you good people, whom I have observed are >NOT stuck up, nose in the air "your question is beneath us" types. > The question is this-(and BTW, this is worded exactly as the submission to >BEE-L,) This coming Spring, I plan to hive a new package in MEDIUM supers and I >would like advice from anyone who has done this before, specifically any >DIFFERENCES in the procedures used for hiving a package in a deep super. > >Now, of course, if any of you kind people can point me to an article or link >that describes the different things one has to consider when using mediums >instead of deeps for a new package, I'll take back everything I said. > >Todd >Palmetto, GA From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:52:02 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 58 Message-ID: <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <37C30A49.27A2@midwest.net> <7q1m7s$ar4$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20632 Hi, The tobacco "industry" produced the best product it could, AS THE CUSTOMERS DEMANDED IT . If an evil government attacked their business, they they'd every right to respond in kind . Nothing about the benefits of tobacco was ever allowed to be told . Everything the press was allowed to print ,was intended to destroy the tobacco farmer . The people engaged in this war against America, are lucky that the farmers didn't transfer their response in this financial war, into the physical mode, and destroy the persons of those killing their family farms . One side of my family came >from the deep south, and tobacco is all that kept most of those counties, and many states, from starving to death, when times get hard . The present attack on tobacco, is an attempt to depopulate these areas; come the next downswing in "The Economic Cycle". Propaganda; pure propaganda . Ken . On 25 Aug 1999 17:12:28 -0400, adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <37C30A49.27A2@midwest.net>, AL wrote: > >>Ah, but I forgot the Utopian example of industry funded research by >>honorable scientists - the tobacco industry to name one. > >Touche! > >Adam From buzz@apiary.org Sun Aug 29 07:42:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: buzz@apiary.org (Beekeeper) Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:53:56 GMT Organization: IIIrd Beekeeper Lines: 124 Message-ID: <380d32ff.30932639@enews.newsguy.com> References: <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> <37f9cd2f.4864779@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx738o.1w8z2igtslqaN@lax-ts6-h1-54-21.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-974.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14545 alt.non.sequitur:65110 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20633 On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:37:45 -0800, mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >Beekeeper wrote: > >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>make a loud purring sound. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >made more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >coffeecan full of rocks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>in one specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>usually early in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >attic, you most likely have a hive of kitties napping >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >in there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>my siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>would think a noise this loud (hearing it through >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>ceiling, loud and clear), would require a large hive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >that even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >well, I think you should look again. You probably just >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >imagined it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>ceiling fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the power tools. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >cheese. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >bees? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >said seems to indicate that you have bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me know, i >> >> >> >> >> >> >> know some people who are into that sort of thing >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night >> >> >> >> >> >(don't ask) >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there do >> >> >> >> >> you think? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff like >> >> >> >> >that >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great >> >> >> >> >with spooky bunny, if you already have that. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> too rich for my blood >> >> >> > >> >> >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly >> >> >> >> >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big >> >> >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues >> >> > >> >> >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit more >> >> >sleep-with-able than vlade. >> >> >> >> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF >> > >> >what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. >> >> i guess in a "hi i'm rony seikaly" sort of way, less the absolute >> value of european basketball hottie than a function of what might be > >well, if you get him, let me know & i'll come try out for the part of >the neighbor. just remember it's tv so no tongue From mica@thegrid.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dx7sfb.1julyqfhbgo29N@lax-ts5-h1-46-118.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> <37f9cd2f.4864779@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx738o.1w8z2igtslqaN@lax-ts6-h1-54-21.ispmodems.net> <380d32ff.30932639@enews.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Lines: 126 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:27:50 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.47.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935814676 209.162.47.2 (Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:31:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:31:16 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14588 alt.non.sequitur:65153 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20634 Beekeeper wrote: > mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> > >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> > > >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>make a loud purring sound. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >made more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >coffeecan full of rocks. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>in one specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>usually early in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>loud. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >attic, you most likely have a hive of kitties napping > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >in there. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>my siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>would think a noise this loud (hearing it through > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>ceiling, loud and clear), would require a large hive. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >that even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >loud. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >well, I think you should look again. You probably just > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >imagined it. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>ceiling fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the power tools. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >cheese. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >bees? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >said seems to indicate that you have bees. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> know, i know some people who are into that sort of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thing > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night > >> >> >> >> >> >(don't ask) > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there > >> >> >> >> >> do you think? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff > >> >> >> >> >like that > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great > >> >> >> >> >with spooky bunny, if you already have that. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> too rich for my blood > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly > >> >> >> > >> >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big > >> >> >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues > >> >> > > >> >> >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit > >> >> >more sleep-with-able than vlade. > >> >> > >> >> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF > >> > > >> >what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. > >> > >> i guess in a "hi i'm rony seikaly" sort of way, less the absolute > >> value of european basketball hottie than a function of what might be > > > >well, if you get him, let me know & i'll come try out for the part of > >the neighbor. > > just remember it's tv so no tongue two words: cable From preacherc@cvalley.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queens Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:32:08 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7q7hhe$7ka$1@einstein.greenhills.net> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <37cafb17.6211051@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-41.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 935807342 7818 208.232.214.41 (28 Aug 1999 02:29:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 1999 02:29:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20635 Hello beekeeps, I am doing a experiment this year, for the following spring. I have two hives with improved three banded Italians 4 hives with weavers buckfast Italians and am needing somewhere I can order some new world carolians. Do any of you know of a web site where I can find the carolians queens at. Bye the way. Which one's of these bee's do you think will out perform the others preacher From pfranke@databasix.com Sun Aug 29 07:42:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:29:50 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7q7o78$8d2$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <01beeeba$f4bb5cc0$48d32dc7@spike> <37C3FB72.45ED@midwest.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20636 >Spike Psarris first wrote: >> >> > > I learned many years ago that Monosodium glutamate (MSG ) is an >> > > effective sting first aid remedy for both bee and wasp/yellowjacket >> > > stings. >> > >> > So are Tums. >> > >> > And green onions. And Al then queried: >> How are these applied? Crush the Tums into powder? Rub a freshly cut >> green onion on the skin, or will dried onions do...? Mountain herb folklore has it that any kind of raw onion works. Same old folk lorists also say chewed up tobacco works too. I can say that the former has appeared to work many times, the latter is generally a waste of time. But Spike's MSG remedy almost always works. My personal remedy for general itchy bugbites (mosquitoes, et al) has been broadleaf plantain crushed up and made into a tincture with witch hazel, kept in a spritz bottle in the fridge. But when it comes to stings, nothing beats MSG. Paula The Happy Holler Witch From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Applauding Orange Julius Drink Bars Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 05:49:41 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7q8gkv$rg6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7q6cvm$g22$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7q6kb3$jqb$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-21.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935839199 28166 209.130.165.21 (28 Aug 1999 11:19:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 1999 11:19:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20637 Yes! I'm also curious how much the added "squeeze" costs...wish I would have taken an extra minute to check it out! I'll give them credit however to put "honey" in their advertising and promoting it in a "healthy" way--as it should be. I'm curious enough that I just may give them a call this a.m. to find out the details :-) --Busybee George Styer wrote in message <7q6kb3$jqb$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... >I'd be interested to know if it is honey or the "honey" that other fast food >restaurants use. I would suspect the latter. > >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > >busybee wrote in message >news:7q6cvm$g22$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... >> While the family and I were rushing through the mall to make a hair >> appt...daughter (5) yells out "Hey Mom! Look there's a beehive!" (I guess >> she has a trained eye to be on the lookout for anything bees to support my >> compulsive collecting habit) >> >> Sure enough! Orange Julius store had a poster in the doorway that offers >1 >> of 4 "Nutrilizers" to there drinks! Ooooohhhhh! I like it! Honey is >one >> of them! Don't have too much more info cuz like I said we were in a rush! >> Anyone out there know more? >> >> --Busybee >> >> >> > > From monica@amateuruk.co Sun Aug 29 07:42:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail From: Monica James Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ALL UK AMATEUR GIRLS XXX Date: 28 Aug 1999 12:14:49 GMT Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7q8jrp$2mn$6420@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-217-virgin13.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net 935842489 2775 212.250.67.112 (28 Aug 1999 12:14:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 1999 12:14:49 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20638 ALL NEW UK AMATEUR GIRLS XXX http://212.67.128.13/home/tool X From buzz@apiary.org Sun Aug 29 07:42:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews5 From: buzz@apiary.org (Beekeeper) Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:03:52 GMT Organization: IIIrd Beekeeper Lines: 135 Message-ID: <37dc979c.2070803@enews.newsguy.com> References: <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> <37f9cd2f.4864779@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx738o.1w8z2igtslqaN@lax-ts6-h1-54-21.ispmodems.net> <380d32ff.30932639@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx7sfb.1julyqfhbgo29N@lax-ts5-h1-46-118.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-514.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14626 alt.non.sequitur:65196 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20639 On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:27:50 -0800, mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >Beekeeper wrote: > >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their hives, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>make a loud purring sound. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their hives, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >made more of a loud rumbling sound - not unlike a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >coffeecan full of rocks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my attic, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>in one specific spot. It is on an outer wall. It is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>usually early in the morning, or at dusk. It is quite >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from your >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >attic, you most likely have a hive of kitties napping >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >in there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small hole in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>my siding. My thought is I have a hive in the attic. I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>would think a noise this loud (hearing it through >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>ceiling, loud and clear), would require a large hive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the fact is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >that even a hive of just one happy kitty can be very >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your siding, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >well, I think you should look again. You probably just >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >imagined it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, installing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>ceiling fans. Seems we would have seen some activity. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got out >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the power tools. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >cheese. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >bees? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing you've >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >said seems to indicate that you have bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> know, i know some people who are into that sort of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at night >> >> >> >> >> >> >(don't ask) >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking there >> >> >> >> >> >> do you think? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for stuff >> >> >> >> >> >like that >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes great >> >> >> >> >> >with spooky bunny, if you already have that. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> too rich for my blood >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big >> >> >> >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues >> >> >> > >> >> >> >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit >> >> >> >more sleep-with-able than vlade. >> >> >> >> >> >> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF >> >> > >> >> >what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. >> >> >> >> i guess in a "hi i'm rony seikaly" sort of way, less the absolute >> >> value of european basketball hottie than a function of what might be >> > >> >well, if you get him, let me know & i'll come try out for the part of >> >the neighbor. >> >> just remember it's tv so no tongue > >two words: cable i'll let you in on a secret-- the reason hilarity ensues when the basketball player gets it on with his neighbor is because the neighbor isn't exactly a girl. fox loved it From jwfm.de.goey@hccnet.nl Sun Aug 29 07:42:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news.hccnet.nl!not-for-mail From: "Joost de Goey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PESTICIDES-what can we do? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 17:23:14 +0200 Organization: Hobby Computer Club News Network Lines: 102 Message-ID: <7q8v2c$oaf$1@news.hccnet.nl> References: <37B346AF.85CA1D76@club-internet.fr> <934530664.894352@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: uds251-114.dial.hccnet.nl X-Trace: news.hccnet.nl 935853964 24911 193.173.114.251 (28 Aug 1999 15:26:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hccnet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 1999 15:26:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20640 In the Netherlands all pesticides being used have to be tested on their effect on bees and related hymenoptera (bumble bees). On the basis of these tests pesticides are classified in groups according their safety for bees. Some can only be used in times when there are no bees present. Some only on not-flowering plants, etc. Every year we still get reports of loss of bees as a result of the mis-use of pesticides. I remember one year with a lot of reports of dead bees which took a long time to investigate. Eventually we found out it was a pesticide on potatoes (non-flowering), but which were visited by bees because of their honeydew from aphids. In regard to the damage done by pesticides to bees, most people think of direct losses like honey and wax. I wrote a report for the Dutch ministry of agriculture about another problem: the loss of pollination. It is thought that we are at the beginning of what might be called a pollination crisis. The last few years we face a remarkable fall in numbers of butterflies. But also solitary bees, hooverflies, etc. are on their return. In the Netherlands one can no longer find any wild honey bees, all extinct as a result of Varoa-mite. Therefore it is thought we are going to get problems with the pollination of several plantspecies. From all over the world this has been reported and attributed to the loss of pollinating insects (and other animals). A loss of diversity in plantlife (biodiversity) will be the result. Bees are an excellent (short term) answer to this problem. They can be used to help the pollination in areas where a loss in pollinators is found. But also the beekeeper is slowly disapearing. Varoa-mite, chalckbrood and pesticide problems taking their toll. The dutch governement is taking this situation very serious. We have recently started on a new project to increase biodiversity, especially in regard to agriculture. So reduce pesticides not only to save the bees, but all other pollinaters in order to save plants and crops. Joost de Goey Barry Metz schreef in berichtnieuws 934530664.894352@wheat.wag.interact.net.au... > It is my understanding of the relevant law in australia that most if not all > insecticides, commercial,domestic and agricultural have a specific warning > against spraying bees and in many cases even set out the times of day that > the spray can be used. > The directions and instructions on the label are legally binding and any non > compliance is actionable. In fact in my home state a pest control person > must have a specific permit from the Agriculture Dept to spray bees. > Barry > > peter dillon wrote in message > news:37B346AF.85CA1D76@club-internet.fr... > > Hello World, > > > > It appears to me that there are more and more problems associated with > > pesticides when allied to bee damage. > > > > What can we as a globally connected group do? > > > > Regarding the activities of pesticides/herbicides, > > 1.What is the global loss to beekeepers in revenue( honey, other bee > > products). > > 2.What is the global loss to beekeepers when having to replace hives, > > frames etc. > > 3.What is the global loss in the Agricultural domain from the pre > > mentioned losses? > > > > These questions may be/ may not be calculated- but what is sure is that > > there is a great loss and inconvenience to both sides. > > > > What are the factors in place that should ensure that problems do not > > occur? > > > > It appears to me that Agricultural/ Chemical/ Governmental organisations > > are not really aware of the consequences of bee loss, or they don't > > care! - when the actualities are looked at. BUT at the same time such > > bodies publicly state that they DO care.The difference between what is > > stated and what is actually happening is worlds apart. > > > > WHY? > > > > To me it seems that the controls and controlling agencies are not strong > > enough. > > If they are not strong enough or not following the regulations- who's > > fault? > > > > I suggest that pesticides/Herbicides that are put foreword for > > commercial use must in the future have undergo tests(wether or not they > > are liable to come into direct or indirect contact with bees, as this > > one of the loopholes used by producers of substances to get out of > > testing product toxicity on bees) > > The tests must be undertaken by wholly independent laboratories and > > their results submitted to a global commission who with the aid of 5 > > sub-committees( covering the 5 continents). This commission would then > > recommend or not on the use of the proposed product. > > It would then be easy to see if National governments are representing > > the people who put them in place, or if that are bending to the lobby > > power of the inter-national companies. > > > > PIPE DREAMING OR POSSIBILITY? > > Any thoughts on how to advance with this problem are welcome > > > > Peter. > > From amschelp@pe.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PESTICIDES-what can we do? Message-ID: References: <37B346AF.85CA1D76@club-internet.fr> <934530664.894352@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> <7q8v2c$oaf$1@news.hccnet.nl> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 935862231 216.100.16.35 (Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:43:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:43:51 EDT Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:49:00 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20641 This activity indicates that Dutchmen are good white people. In article <7q8v2c$oaf$1@news.hccnet.nl>, jwfm.de.goey@hccnet.nl says... > In the Netherlands all pesticides being used have to be tested on their > effect on bees and related hymenoptera (bumble bees). On the basis of these > tests pesticides are classified in groups according their safety for bees. > Some can only be used in times when there are no bees present. Some only on > not-flowering plants, etc. Every year we still get reports of loss of bees > as a result of the mis-use of pesticides. I remember one year with a lot of > reports of dead bees which took a long time to investigate. Eventually we > found out it was a pesticide on potatoes (non-flowering), but which were > visited by bees because of their honeydew from aphids. > In regard to the damage done by pesticides to bees, most people think of > direct losses like honey and wax. I wrote a report for the Dutch ministry of > agriculture about another problem: the loss of pollination. It is thought > that we are at the beginning of what might be called a pollination crisis. > The last few years we face a remarkable fall in numbers of butterflies. But > also solitary bees, hooverflies, etc. are on their return. In the > Netherlands one can no longer find any wild honey bees, all extinct as a > result of Varoa-mite. Therefore it is thought we are going to get problems > with the pollination of several plantspecies. From all over the world this > has been reported and attributed to the loss of pollinating insects (and > other animals). A loss of diversity in plantlife (biodiversity) will be the > result. > Bees are an excellent (short term) answer to this problem. They can be used > to help the pollination in areas where a loss in pollinators is found. But > also the beekeeper is slowly disapearing. Varoa-mite, chalckbrood and > pesticide problems taking their toll. > The dutch governement is taking this situation very serious. We have > recently started on a new project to increase biodiversity, especially in > regard to agriculture. > So reduce pesticides not only to save the bees, but all other pollinaters in > order to save plants and crops. > > Joost de Goey > Barry Metz schreef in berichtnieuws > 934530664.894352@wheat.wag.interact.net.au... From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: good buys on Apistan anywhere? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 05:53:05 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7q8gr9$1tbm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37c6d267.143493508@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-21.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935839401 62838 209.130.165.21 (28 Aug 1999 11:23:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 1999 11:23:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20642 We usually order from Dadant or Mann Lake during the time when the 5 cent company rebate is in effect. I don't know if its the best deal but the idea of getting a "rebate" gives you the feeling that you are getting one :-) --Busybee fltdeck1 wrote in message <37c6d267.143493508@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... >Hi all, > >Has anyone found recent deals on 100-packs of Apistan? > >Getting ready for fall management. > > >Matthew Westall - Earthling Bees - Castle, Rock, CO > > From pandrews@swcp.com Sun Aug 29 07:42:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!feeder.nmix.net!198.59.136.4.MISMATCH!feeder.swcp.com!sloth.swcp.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Andrews Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beginner Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:11:57 -0600 Organization: Southwest Cyberport Lines: 22 Message-ID: <37C8185D.819CED31@swcp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dpm2-07.swcp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C--swcp (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20643 Hello, I am thinking about starting a bee hive next year and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or suggestions on books I could read this winter or places to buy or get plans for hives and any other supplies I would need. Also, what do you think are my chances of keeping a hive alive. I live in New Mexico, east of Albuquerque, at about 6500ft in elevation. Our summers are quite pleasant, low 90s or high 80s in the day and 60s at night. There are lots of open fields with flowering plants. Our last frost/snow usually comes in May and the first frost/snow comes in October. The snows usually melt in a few days, although in a few winters it can stay for months. The temperatures go to the single digits in winter. Can a hive survive in this kind of climate? Also, I do have neighbors and am not sure how this will be received. How much space do I need and what kind of problems can occur? Do hives need to be kept far away from people and livestock. I have 5acres, as does most everyone close. -Paul From av@rada1.saratov.su Sun Aug 29 07:42:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.relcom.ru!news.intercom.ru!newsserv From: "Igor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: We offer: apitoxin, bee venom (see article) Date: 28 Aug 1999 23:40:32 +0400 Organization: personal_person Lines: 17 Sender: newsserv@news.intercom.ru Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: av@rada1.saratov.su NNTP-Posting-Host: news.intercom.ru Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Return-Path: rada1!rada1.saratov.su!av@access.intercom.ru Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20644 Pharmaceutical company offers on a regular basis: Apitoxin, Dry bee venom (initial lot, 100g) Cetificate 1. Appearance: light yellow, straw-colored; 2. Shrinkage (weight decrease) - 2.4% at desiccation; 3. Insoluble impurities - 2.5% 4. Authenticity (haemolysis time) 440s 5. General ashes - 3.2% 6. Phosphalybasis activity - a2 160ms Quantities are unlimited. Contact us: av@rada1.saratov.su From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long to calm down? Date: 28 Aug 1999 23:05:23 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-3-148.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 935881523 84653 199.45.211.148 (28 Aug 1999 23:05:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 1999 23:05:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20645 >From a first-year beekeeper... I just went in and put bee escapesunder the supers on my 3 hives, planning on harvesting tomorrow. It's 4:00 on an overcast afternoon, so most of the ladies were at home and somewhat more grumpy than usual. As a result, I took a couple of stings, and at least one bee was irate enough to follow me a quarter of a mile or so. (These are usually very gentle bees, and this is the first time I've ever been stung.) What are the chances that they'll still be stirred up tomorrow, when I was planning on harvesting? Thanks -- remove spamfree to reply From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: 28 Aug 1999 23:17:23 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Message-ID: <01bef1aa$fe927ce0$94d32dc7@spike> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <01beeeba$f4bb5cc0$48d32dc7@spike> <37C3FB72.45ED@midwest.net> <7q7o78$8d2$1@nntpd.databasix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-3-148.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 935882243 84653 199.45.211.148 (28 Aug 1999 23:17:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 1999 23:17:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20646 Actually, I (Spike) asked the question and Al answered. But this brings up another question: would MSG be a good stop-gap or delaying tactic for a stinging victim who is allergic to venom? (By "delaying" I mean reducing anaphylaxis while transporting to the hospital...) Paula Franke wrote in article <7q7o78$8d2$1@nntpd.databasix.com>... > >Spike Psarris first wrote: > >> > >> > > I learned many years ago that Monosodium glutamate (MSG ) is an > >> > > effective sting first aid remedy for both bee and wasp/yellowjacket > >> > > stings. > >> > > >> > So are Tums. > >> > > >> > And green onions. > > And Al then queried: > >> How are these applied? Crush the Tums into powder? Rub a freshly cut > >> green onion on the skin, or will dried onions do...? > > > Mountain herb folklore has it that any kind of raw onion works. Same old > folk lorists also say chewed up tobacco works too. I can say that the former > has appeared to work many times, the latter is generally a waste of time. > But Spike's MSG remedy almost always works. > > My personal remedy for general itchy bugbites (mosquitoes, et al) has been > broadleaf plantain crushed up and made into a tincture with witch hazel, > kept in a spritz bottle in the fridge. But when it comes to stings, nothing > beats MSG. > > Paula > The Happy Holler Witch > > > > From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beginner Date: 28 Aug 1999 23:50:13 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 51 Message-ID: <01bef1af$94657340$94d32dc7@spike> References: <37C8185D.819CED31@swcp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-3-148.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 935884213 84653 199.45.211.148 (28 Aug 1999 23:50:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 1999 23:50:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20647 I live in Allison, CO, which isn't that far from you and has a similar climate and altitude. I bought my hives (this spring) from a beekeeper in Hermosa CO, about 40 miles north of me and maybe 1,000 feet higher, and he does very well. There's a commercial beekeeper in this area too, with about 3,000 hives (although I think he pollinates elsewhere in the winter so maybe he wouldn't count.) I once visited a beekeeper in Pagosa Springs CO, which is at about 7500 feet and significantly harsher winters than where you are. And I just bought a bunch of honey from a beekeeper in Aztec NM, right outside of Farmington. So yes, bees can work very well in this area. One strong advantage we have here is the very low humidity, which helps the nectar "dry" into honey faster, as well as making it easier on the bees to keep the hive nice and dry in general. Moisture can make life hard on the bees, so we have an excellent climate for bees here. Space-wise, I live on 38 acres but my 3 hives are about 25-30 feet from the house. The usual recommendations are to set them up so that their flight paths to and from the nectar don't cross the areas where people are likely to be walking, children playing, etc. I've never had a problem, personally. I'm sure there are at least a few on this forum who keep bees in urban/suburban areas (the usual recommendation here is just to have them in a fenced yard, so that their flight paths will be above people's heads). So with 5 acres, you have more than enough room. Others here can address the livestock issue better than I (although my neighbor has cattle, sheep, and judging from the occasional braying at least one donkey, and there have never been any problems). The books I've found most helpful as a beginner are Richard Bonney's books ("Beekeeping" and "Hive Management"), who frequents this forum sometimes. Search the archives and you should be able to find his e-mail address. (Several people here will recommend "The Hive and the Honeybee", which is a very comprehensive reference book. It's excellent for topics like bee biology, but as a beginner you'll be asking basic, practical questions for a while, and this isn't the best book for that. Just my opinion.) Other than that, go to your local library and read all that you can. Some books are good, some not. Hope this helps Paul Andrews wrote in article <37C8185D.819CED31@swcp.com>... > Hello, > > I am thinking about starting a bee hive next year and was wondering if > anyone had any thoughts or suggestions on books I could read this winter > or places to buy or get plans for hives and any other supplies I would > need. > > Also, what do you think are my chances of keeping a hive alive. I live > in New Mexico, east of Albuquerque, at about 6500ft in elevation. From npatt@snet.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news.tvd.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: getting bees out of cut log into super questions Date: 28 Aug 1999 23:52:03 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7q9sn3$8o2@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh1-port98.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20648 I removed a bee hive from a tree. I had them cut the two sides of the log that contains the bees. They now sit in my back yard with a couple of supers on them. How do I get them out of the tree log into the supers? Would a one way escape get the queen out of the log? Do I need to medicate and with what? Norm From deratany@capecod.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: deratany@capecod.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:33:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7q9v48$1jn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.255.214.178 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 29 00:33:12 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.255.214.178 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDderatany Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20649 In article <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net wrote: > Peter Thoem wrote: > > > > I learned many years ago that Monosodium glutamate (MSG ) is an > > effective sting first aid remedy for both bee and wasp/yellowjacket > > stings. > > So are Tums. > > And green onions. > > AL > Meat tenderizer is said to work very well as it contains an enzyme that breaks up the toxins. Dave Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From platokafka@aol.comedy.org Sun Aug 29 07:42:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: platokafka@aol.comedy.org (Platokafka) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Aug 1999 00:43:32 GMT References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990828204332.21057.00001334@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20650 You wrote: >From a first-year beekeeper... > >I just went in and put bee escapesunder the supers on my 3 hives, planning >on harvesting tomorrow. It's 4:00 on an overcast afternoon, so most of the >ladies were at home and somewhat more grumpy than usual. As a result, I >took a couple of stings, and at least one bee was irate enough to follow me >a quarter of a mile or so. (These are usually very gentle bees, and this >is the first time I've ever been stung.) > >What are the chances that they'll still be stirred up tomorrow, when I was >planning on harvesting? > >Thanks Oh, pretty good, I'd say. ;-) Happy harvesting though! PK -- "All good reasoning is offensive." --Henri Stendhal From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.27.155!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:31:34 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7qa0pu$1q5c$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-87.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935888510 59564 209.130.165.87 (29 Aug 1999 01:01:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 1999 01:01:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20651 You ain't seen nothing yet! Suit up good and have a ball :-) --Busybee Spike Psarris wrote in message <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike>... >From a first-year beekeeper... > >I just went in and put bee escapesunder the supers on my 3 hives, planning >on harvesting tomorrow. It's 4:00 on an overcast afternoon, so most of the >ladies were at home and somewhat more grumpy than usual. As a result, I >took a couple of stings, and at least one bee was irate enough to follow me >a quarter of a mile or so. (These are usually very gentle bees, and this >is the first time I've ever been stung.) > >What are the chances that they'll still be stirred up tomorrow, when I was >planning on harvesting? > >Thanks >-- >remove spamfree to reply From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:42:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Aug 1999 01:45:27 GMT References: <01bef1aa$fe927ce0$94d32dc7@spike> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990828214527.21227.00000967@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20652 >: would MSG be a good stop-gap or delaying tactic for a >stinging victim who is allergic to venom? (By "delaying" I mean reducing >anaphylaxis while transporting to the hospital...) HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:35:32 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7qaalm$skh$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <37C30A49.27A2@midwest.net> <7q1m7s$ar4$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.243 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 935898614 29329 12.72.50.243 (29 Aug 1999 03:50:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 1999 03:50:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20653 Slavery had a major contribution to the economics of farming at one time in the south, but that does not make it a good thing. I guess you would have some interesing family dinners if the other side of your family were descendents of slaves. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Real Name wrote in message news:37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net... > Hi, > > One side of my family came > from the deep south, and tobacco > is all that kept most of those > counties, and many states, from > starving to death, when times get > hard . From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Sun Aug 29 07:42:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: 29 Aug 1999 04:17:35 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <01bef1d4$ed25f0c0$afd32dc7@spike> References: <01bef1aa$fe927ce0$94d32dc7@spike> <19990828214527.21227.00000967@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-4-175.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 935900255 99740 199.45.211.175 (29 Aug 1999 04:17:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 1999 04:17:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20654 I saw your message recently where you said you used to be an paramedic. I was an EMT-B about 10 years ago myself, so I understand the seriousness of anaphylaxis (a quick death), and I wasn't implying that MSG could be used in place of proper treatment (epi and whatever other treatment a paramedic would do - being only EMT-B, we weren't trained to administer anything, so I don't know what a full treatment would look like). I was asking because we live a ways out in the country, and paramedic services might not be available to us, so under certain circumstances it might be faster to transport a victim myself to the nearest ER. Since I don't have oxygen, epinephrine, or anything else, I was wondering if there was anything that could be done en route. Or, even if paramedics were available, whether or not MSG would help the victim while we were waiting. Sorry if there was confusion over why I was asking, I assume that's why you answered so strongly. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding: would MSG actually make it worse somehow? Hk1BeeMan wrote in article <19990828214527.21227.00000967@ng-cn1.aol.com>... > >: would MSG be a good stop-gap or delaying tactic for a > >stinging victim who is allergic to venom? (By "delaying" I mean reducing > >anaphylaxis while transporting to the hospital...) > > HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!!!! > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From spcherub@aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:42:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beginner Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Aug 1999 04:13:18 GMT References: <37C8185D.819CED31@swcp.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990829001318.05970.00001437@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20655 >I am thinking about starting a bee hive next year and was wondering if >anyone had any thoughts or suggestions on books I could read this winter For my money, the best beginner book I've run into is "The Beekeeper's Handbook" by Sammataro and Avitabile. After that, if you decide to take the plunge, you'll want a copy of "The Hive and the Honey Bee" pretty quick. Also, the video series that Dr. Keith Delaplane from the Univ. of GA. did called "A Year in the Life of an Apiary" is fantastic- Four hours on just about everything you'd need to know that first entire year. You can get it from the university or Mann Lake. Good luck.... Todd From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun Aug 29 07:42:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.netcrusader.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Aug 1999 05:58:35 GMT References: <37c5c076.23593399@news.cidial.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990829015835.17354.00001133@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20656 Oh come on. You're mite free without the use of Apistan? No intervention whatsoever to contain the mighty mite varroa? I have trouble believing it, but I'm just a first-yearer myself, so I'm ready to listen to anything. Howd you do it? From mica@thegrid.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.globix.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dx9oot.12y362t1wyi9upN@lax-ts4-h1-44-235.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> <37f9cd2f.4864779@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx738o.1w8z2igtslqaN@lax-ts6-h1-54-21.ispmodems.net> <380d32ff.30932639@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx7sfb.1julyqfhbgo29N@lax-ts5-h1-46-118.ispmodems.net> <37dc979c.2070803@enews.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Lines: 139 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:49:08 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.44.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935909552 209.162.44.235 (Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:52:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:52:32 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14735 alt.non.sequitur:65319 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20657 Beekeeper wrote: >mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> > >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> > > >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>hives, make a loud purring sound. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >hives, made more of a loud rumbling sound - not > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>attic, in one specific spot. It is on an outer > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>wall. It is usually early in the morning, or at > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>dusk. It is quite loud. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >your attic, you most likely have a hive of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >kitties napping in there. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>hole in my siding. My thought is I have a hive > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>in the attic. I would think a noise this loud > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>(hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>would require a large hive. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >fact is that even a hive of just one happy kitty > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >can be very loud. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >siding, well, I think you should look again. You > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >probably just imagined it. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>installing ceiling fans. Seems we would have > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>seen some activity. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >out the power tools. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >cheese. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >of bees? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >you've said seems to indicate that you have bees. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> know, i know some people who are into that sort of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thing > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at > >> >> >> >> >> >> >night (don't ask) > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking > >> >> >> >> >> >> there do you think? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for > >> >> >> >> >> >stuff like that > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes > >> >> >> >> >> >great with spooky bunny, if you already have that. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> too rich for my blood > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big > >> >> >> >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit > >> >> >> >more sleep-with-able than vlade. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF > >> >> > > >> >> >what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. > >> >> > >> >> i guess in a "hi i'm rony seikaly" sort of way, less the absolute > >> >> value of european basketball hottie than a function of what might be > >> > > >> >well, if you get him, let me know & i'll come try out for the part of > >> >the neighbor. > >> > >> just remember it's tv so no tongue > > > >two words: cable > > i'll let you in on a secret-- the reason hilarity ensues when the > basketball player gets it on with his neighbor is because the neighbor > isn't exactly a girl. fox loved it in that case better stick with vlade. otherwise it ruins seikaly for me. From tandia@value.com.au Mon Aug 30 21:45:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.tvd.be!newsfeed.zip.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Paul A Isaac" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving Bees Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:02:38 +1000 Organization: Zip World Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7qat4i$n3u$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.163.128.207 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20658 I am new to the bee keeping business but am seeking advice regarding what is the best way to relocate a beehive ? Any information would be greatly appreciated Paul From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sticky Business! Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 06:19:41 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 119 Message-ID: <7qb6p4$kp2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7ndsma$lk6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37cbd7a0.6787969@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-77.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 935927396 21282 209.130.165.77 (29 Aug 1999 11:49:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 1999 11:49:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20659 You are just in time that I could still enter your name in my drawing! Not exactly the answers I was looking for but I will put you in the drawing for being so clever :-) Today (Sun) is the last day of our Open House and the drawing is at 6:00 tonight for the Beanie Babie! Open House is going well! We've had many people stop...all are surprised how fascinating the honeybee is and how much work it is to keep bees! I have a tv/vcr set up to show a short video...Magic Schoolbus, Reading Rainbow or the NHB Whats Buzzin' have been the favorites! Then I pick someone to dress as a beekeeper and explain the equipment/smoker and hive tool. Open a demo hive (no bees of course). Then I take them to a table with an Observation Hive...answer MANY questions there. There is also a tots table where the little ones can color or play my daughters Fischer Price "Boppin' Bee game. I then show our extracting line and our way of operation and how every beekeepers set up varies. We have a large map of where we keep our yards and stress the importance of bees in their gardens and in all of agriculture. Answer more questions. Take them to the tank and open the gate to release a slow stream of honey for them to stick their fingers in to taste...this sends them willingly over to our honey sale table ;-). I have another large table set up with beeswax candles, recipes, some pieces from my honey pot collection, a scrapbook of newspaper clippings and information related to the industry. Lastly, a guestbook, prize drawing registration and a copy of the latest edition of the Minnesota State Fair Bee Line publication. We're handing this out...its chock-full of recipes, information and Swenson Apiaries (our story and pictures) are highlighted this year! :-) Having a ball! --Busybee Real Name wrote in message <37cbd7a0.6787969@news2.i-link-2.net>... >Hi, > > UM ... > > >On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:30:20 -0500, >"busybee" >wrote: > >>Whew! Finally started extracting on >Thursday...all going well so far >>(fingers crossed :-). Thursday >extracted 8 drums, yesterday pulled, >today >>extracted 10 drums...1/10 done with >first rounds. >> >>Tomorrow doing a local parade. My 5 >yr. old has a bee outfit and she is >>handing out freeze pops (unfrozen) with >an announcement to our open house in >>August. There's a catch...if they fill >out the 5 questions and return it to >>us by our open house they have a chance >to win a Ty Beanie Babie (Beezee) a >>bear dressed as a bee. Had a trial run >this am. when we sat at the local >>farmers market with our trivia >questions...people are not very good at >>knowing the answers... >> >>Thought you fellow beekeepers would get >a kick at this... >> >>Questions are: > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >>1. Honeybees collect pollen and > >Pixie dust . >___________ from flowers. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>2. The six-sided honeycomb is made of > >Sugar syrup, at three(?) to one . >_______________. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>3. There are many workers and drones in >a colony but only one_______. > >Beekeeper > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>4. The transfer of pollen to one flower >to another is called ____________. > >Migratory beekeeping . > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>5. After losing her stinger, a >honeybee _____________. > >Falls through to my shorts . > >> >>I looked through them earlier tonight >and found only two people has answered >>all correctly! (out of 16...we left >early as my helper had to go to the >>bathroom) Oh...one of the two people >was my helper :-) (hehehe)...so is >>disqualified! >> >>--Busybee >> >> >> >> >> > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 30 21:45:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:20:44 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7qbjdv$vsr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <37C30A49.27A2@midwest.net> <7q1m7s$ar4$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.neptunium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 935940351 32667 62.136.46.81 (29 Aug 1999 15:25:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 1999 15:25:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20660 Real Name wrote in message <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net>... > One side of my family came >from the deep south, and tobacco >is all that kept most of those >counties, and many states, from >starving to death, when times get >hard . >------------------------------------------------------------------- Could they not have grown food? From honeybs@radix.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:51:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7qbmmu$esh$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20661 "Spike Psarris" wrote: >From a first-year beekeeper... >I just went in and put bee escapesunder the supers on my 3 hives, planning >on harvesting tomorrow. It's 4:00 on an overcast afternoon, so most of the >ladies were at home and somewhat more grumpy than usual. As a result, I >took a couple of stings, and at least one bee was irate enough to follow me >a quarter of a mile or so. (These are usually very gentle bees, and this >is the first time I've ever been stung.) >What are the chances that they'll still be stirred up tomorrow, when I was >planning on harvesting? >Thanks >-- >remove spamfree to reply Hell they were just getting warmed up! They are all in the hive now planing for the next attack. Don't think that they will not notice that their honey is missing Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:41:24 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 104 Message-ID: <37c9d25c.5438964@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> <7j6f2h$lcc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20662 Hi, The holes in the bottom board sounds interesting, but what about rodents ? It doesn't take much of a hole for a mouse to fit through . Do you have mouse problems ? Ken . On Thu, 03 Jun 1999 17:47:00 GMT, beeman221@my-deja.com wrote: >In article <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com>, > jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >> If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to >have an >> insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would >be less >> temperature fluctuation within hive. >> >> In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting >quote in a >> web site >> >> "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes >are good >> to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". >> >> Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or >making a hive >> with a material with higher R rating than wood.. > >This is a topic I am very interested in. Fully half our hives are in >Styrofoam hives (hereafter called Poly boxes) >Yes the bees winter better here-north east Scotland- in the poly boxes >and there are behavioural differences between the two types. >I am in a maritime climate and our biggest enemy is wetness/wind. >In poly boxes even in the coldest frost the cluster can move accross >the frames. Heat rises of course so between the crownboard and the roof >is the warmest place and thats where they want to be if they can get >there! The Poly boxes have a ventilated floor 10" X 10" which is >covered by mesh. This helps keep them in touch with the real temp >outside. >Both our timber hives and the poly boxes are the same in that they both >have ventilated floors and insulation above. In spring the timber hives >rear brood as much as 3 weeks earlier than the poly boxes, however when >the poly boxes switch on then they soon catch up and pass the timber >hives. I suspect that the earlier brood rearing in the timber hives is >a way of reducing moisture in the gut by producing brood food. As the >winter bees in the poly boxes are not under the same stress they can >afford to wait and are about longer to support the colony. >We have Poly langstroth with 10 frames, timber langstroth, national >hives timber and poly hives that take 12 ntional frames. The bees >winter, under our conditions please note, best in the poly national, >why well we think it's because the combs are paralel with the >enterance, as opposed to the right angles situation in the langstroth. >As a footnote the ventilated floors cost less as holes are cheap! Yes >we know very Scottish! >Peter Watt >Listen to the bees, they know best. > >> > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hives insulated for comfort Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:41:26 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 79 Message-ID: <37cad337.5658074@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com> <5BV53.47121$75.36017@news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20663 Hi, " If some is good, more is better . " Sounds like something I'd do . Thanks for the warning . Ken . On Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:15:13 GMT, "Hugh Tait" wrote: > >Jajwuth wrote in message >news:19990602225226.21306.00000163@ngol02.aol.com... >> If you live in an area of a colder climate would it make sense to have an >> insulated hive. I don't know for sure but I would imagine there would be >less >> temperature fluctuation within hive > >Winter here goes from 40 below to 5 above. Insulating slowings down the temp >change so the bees can react and move stores, change cluster size. Moisture >is also a killer, so you MUST have proper ventalation or they will die. Its >like the saying we have up here. " so what if its 40 below, its a dry cold " >> >> In Sweden they have styrofoam hives per the following interesting quote in >a >> web site >> >> "My boxes are made from both styrofoam and wood. The styrofoam boxes are >good >> to winter in. The wooden boxes are used for supers during summer". > >I am very interested in these styrofoam boxes, my only concern ( maybe >misplaced) is regarding styrofoams abilitie to transfer moisture through the >walls, as opposed to condensation. That being said this getleman in sweden >live in much the same climate, is a good beekeeper seems to have success >with them > >http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ > >> >> Could there be any ill effects to bees from insulating a hive or making a >hive >> with a material with higher R rating than wood.. > >Again the only bad thing might be that they keep the bees too isolated from >outside the hive weather condition. Too much insulation seems to be as bad >as too little. When I firtst started we killed hives by overinsulating. >Thinking if some is good more is better. > >hugh > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!falcon.america.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:41:29 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <37cedbc3.7846580@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <01beeeba$f4bb5cc0$48d32dc7@spike> <37C3FB72.45ED@midwest.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20664 Hi, "Tums", flavored chalk . Toothpaste(tooth polish) flavored chalk . Talcum powder, cologne, and chalk . Chalk, (how should I know ?) . Ken . On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:20:32 +0100, "ian hodkinson" wrote: > >> > > >> > > So are Tums. >> > > >err ....What's a "Tum"? > >ogg > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sticky Business! Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:41:28 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 84 Message-ID: <37cbd7a0.6787969@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7ndsma$lk6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20665 Hi, UM ... On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:30:20 -0500, "busybee" wrote: >Whew! Finally started extracting on Thursday...all going well so far >(fingers crossed :-). Thursday extracted 8 drums, yesterday pulled, today >extracted 10 drums...1/10 done with first rounds. > >Tomorrow doing a local parade. My 5 yr. old has a bee outfit and she is >handing out freeze pops (unfrozen) with an announcement to our open house in >August. There's a catch...if they fill out the 5 questions and return it to >us by our open house they have a chance to win a Ty Beanie Babie (Beezee) a >bear dressed as a bee. Had a trial run this am. when we sat at the local >farmers market with our trivia questions...people are not very good at >knowing the answers... > >Thought you fellow beekeepers would get a kick at this... > >Questions are: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >1. Honeybees collect pollen and Pixie dust . ___________ from flowers. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >2. The six-sided honeycomb is made of Sugar syrup, at three(?) to one . _______________. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >3. There are many workers and drones in a colony but only one_______. Beekeeper - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >4. The transfer of pollen to one flower to another is called ____________. Migratory beekeeping . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >5. After losing her stinger, a honeybee _____________. Falls through to my shorts . > >I looked through them earlier tonight and found only two people has answered >all correctly! (out of 16...we left early as my helper had to go to the >bathroom) Oh...one of the two people was my helper :-) (hehehe)...so is >disqualified! > >--Busybee > > > > > From buzz@apiary.org Mon Aug 30 21:45:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: buzz@apiary.org (Beekeeper) Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:47:14 GMT Organization: IIIrd Beekeeper Lines: 146 Message-ID: <384b71f5.11974922@enews.newsguy.com> References: <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> <37f9cd2f.4864779@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx738o.1w8z2igtslqaN@lax-ts6-h1-54-21.ispmodems.net> <380d32ff.30932639@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx7sfb.1julyqfhbgo29N@lax-ts5-h1-46-118.ispmodems.net> <37dc979c.2070803@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx9oot.12y362t1wyi9upN@lax-ts4-h1-44-235.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-359.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14786 alt.non.sequitur:65377 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20666 On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:49:08 -0800, mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >Beekeeper wrote: > >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>hives, make a loud purring sound. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >hives, made more of a loud rumbling sound - not >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>attic, in one specific spot. It is on an outer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>wall. It is usually early in the morning, or at >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>dusk. It is quite loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >your attic, you most likely have a hive of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >kitties napping in there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>hole in my siding. My thought is I have a hive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>in the attic. I would think a noise this loud >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>(hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>would require a large hive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >fact is that even a hive of just one happy kitty >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >can be very loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >siding, well, I think you should look again. You >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >probably just imagined it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>installing ceiling fans. Seems we would have >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>seen some activity. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >out the power tools. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some milk or >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >cheese. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >of bees? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >you've said seems to indicate that you have bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> know, i know some people who are into that sort of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >night (don't ask) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking >> >> >> >> >> >> >> there do you think? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for >> >> >> >> >> >> >stuff like that >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes >> >> >> >> >> >> >great with spooky bunny, if you already have that. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> too rich for my blood >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big >> >> >> >> >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's a bit >> >> >> >> >more sleep-with-able than vlade. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF >> >> >> > >> >> >> >what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. >> >> >> >> >> >> i guess in a "hi i'm rony seikaly" sort of way, less the absolute >> >> >> value of european basketball hottie than a function of what might be >> >> > >> >> >well, if you get him, let me know & i'll come try out for the part of >> >> >the neighbor. >> >> >> >> just remember it's tv so no tongue >> > >> >two words: cable >> >> i'll let you in on a secret-- the reason hilarity ensues when the >> basketball player gets it on with his neighbor is because the neighbor >> isn't exactly a girl. fox loved it > >in that case better stick with vlade. otherwise it ruins seikaly for >me. i shoulda hired someone to do casting for me, what a nightmare From amschelp@pe.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Bees Message-ID: References: <7qat4i$n3u$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 935957119 216.100.16.35 (Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:05:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:05:19 EDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:10:25 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20667 I have heard that if you move less than 3 feet or more than 3 miles the bees will not be drawn to the old location but will instead return to the new location. You have to close them into their hives in the night before the move. That's about all I know about that. In article <7qat4i$n3u$1@the-fly.zip.com.au>, tandia@value.com.au says... > I am new to the bee keeping business but am seeking advice regarding what is > the best way to relocate a beehive ? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated > > Paul > > > > From amschelp@pe.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quaking Aspen Message-ID: References: <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 935958432 216.100.16.35 (Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:27:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:27:12 EDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:32:18 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20668 Cool, man; cool. My guess it is a swarm, scouting out a place for overwintering down. In article <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com>, hensler@povn.com says... > Yo All: > > Does anyone here have any experience with bees working quaking aspens > this time of the year? > > We have a grove of aspens next to our bee yard and the trees have been > alive > with what I assume are honey bees for the past several weeks. The > trees are too tall to be sure but, due to the pitch and volume of the > humming, I don't think the bees > are either yellow jackets or native bees. The honey bees work the > aspen > blossoms early in the spring but now there is no nectar nor propolis > source available in the trees that I am aware of. > > Does anybody have any idea of what possible use they are making of the > aspens now? > > Skip > From hensler@povn.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Quaking Aspen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:50:37 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.81 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 935956217 206.107.251.81 (Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:50:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:50:17 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20669 Yo All: Does anyone here have any experience with bees working quaking aspens this time of the year? We have a grove of aspens next to our bee yard and the trees have been alive with what I assume are honey bees for the past several weeks. The trees are too tall to be sure but, due to the pitch and volume of the humming, I don't think the bees are either yellow jackets or native bees. The honey bees work the aspen blossoms early in the spring but now there is no nectar nor propolis source available in the trees that I am aware of. Does anybody have any idea of what possible use they are making of the aspens now? Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:26:56 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 46 Message-ID: <37c940b8.1532609@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> <19990828204332.21057.00001334@ng-bg1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20670 HI, More than anything else, it depends on just HOW mad they got this time . If you only got stung twice, it doesn't seem like they were all that mad . Ken . On 29 Aug 1999 00:43:32 GMT, platokafka@aol.comedy.org (Platokafka) wrote: >You wrote: > >>From a first-year beekeeper... >> >>I just went in and put bee escapesunder the supers on my 3 hives, planning >>on harvesting tomorrow. It's 4:00 on an overcast afternoon, so most of the >>ladies were at home and somewhat more grumpy than usual. As a result, I >>took a couple of stings, and at least one bee was irate enough to follow me >>a quarter of a mile or so. (These are usually very gentle bees, and this >>is the first time I've ever been stung.) >> >>What are the chances that they'll still be stirred up tomorrow, when I was >>planning on harvesting? >> >>Thanks > >Oh, pretty good, I'd say. ;-) Happy >harvesting though! > >PK From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:33:23 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 81 Message-ID: <37C9A723.2D9F@midwest.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <37C30A49.27A2@midwest.net> <7q1m7s$ar4$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20671 Real Name wrote: > > Hi, > > The tobacco "industry" produced > the best product it could, AS THE > CUSTOMERS DEMANDED IT . Good for them. Thats the difference between a pusher who sells pure smack instead of something cut with drano - or what ever the hell they would cut it with. "Best product it could"??? Bullshit! Cigarettes today are rolled up chemical ridden garbage. What major company is currently selling pure 100% tobacco cigarettes - and I mean with absolutely *no* chemical additives or foreign materials to "enhance" flavor, burn characteristics, aroma, etc.??? > Nothing about the benefits of > tobacco was ever allowed to be > told . Here's *your* chance - I'll clear off some space on my hard drive to receive your list - what would you recommend? 10-20bytes? > The people engaged in this war > against America, are lucky that the > farmers didn't transfer their response > in this financial war, into the physical > mode, and destroy the persons of > those killing their family farms . Gimme a break... Before commenting further, let me say I was a 3pk a day smoker for 20 years - quit 9 years ago. I am not an antismoking advocate - if you quit, ok - if you don't, ok. My general feeling about the tobacco industry and growers is that of indifference. As far as smokers go - have at it, I really don't care. You should have the right to load up on that filth if you want - just don't blow that crap in my direction, take it outside. People who are foolish enough to take up smoking, or refuse to quit, will have their own problems to deal with - just don't lay them at society's feet when your lungs or other organs are eaten up and you think somebody should pay the price. You took the chance, *you* pay the price. And the growers who have become addicted to the government price supports, won't get any sympathy from me when that golden goose is dead either. Personally I don't support *any* laws against the production/use of tobacco, or any other recreational substances of choice among consenting adults. Outlawing only increases the involvement of criminal activity, and violence. When the issue is placed in the legal arena, the only ones that will gain are the crooks and the attorneys - but I repeat myself. AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Aug 1999 22:01:30 GMT References: <01bef1d4$ed25f0c0$afd32dc7@spike> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990829180130.28281.00001089@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20672 >so under certain circumstances it >might be faster to transport a victim myself to the nearest ER. Since I >don't have oxygen, epinephrine, or anything else, I was wondering if there >was anything that could be done en route. Or, even if paramedics were >availabl Benadryl Liquid caps or liquigels can be cut open and the fluid placed under the tongue. It tastes worse than castor oil but the absorption rate is very high. This is of course the sub lingual route of medicating like heart patients who put nitro under their tongue. The regular dose is 50 mg for adults 25 mg for kids. one liquid cap =25 mg. Keep the persons head back ( to keep the airway as open as possible for as long as possible) and meet or beat the ambulance in route to the emergency room. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Date: 29 Aug 1999 23:07:00 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <01bef272$adf8a660$86d32dc7@spike> References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-3-134.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 935968020 60127 199.45.211.134 (29 Aug 1999 23:07:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 1999 23:07:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20673 Thanks to all who replied! Despite the "soothing" words of busybee, Platokafka, and Greg... ;-) (and as an aside to Ken, only a couple of stings got to me, but there were more stuck into my suit. The worst was the one little gal who made it into my shoe and got me right on the Achilles tendon...) ..it went very well. I'm now the amazed new owner of 15 full frames of honey. For those of you who have been doing this for a long time, how long before the sense of wonder goes away? Also, anybody want to comment on the wisdom (or lack thereof) of putting the partially-full frames out and about, in order to be cleaned out? They aren't capped, so I didn't want to mix the high-moisture nectar with the "good" honey. I don't want to start robbing, so I put a few here and there scattered throughout the yard, from 50-100 feet from the hives. (Some of these frames have lots of nectar, some have almost none.) Was this smart or stupid? (I can't leave them on the hives, because local beekeepers have told me that the "rabbit bush" starts blooming about now, which will give the honey a bitter taste.) Thanks for any comments... From heffnerc@nospamsunlink.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "chris heffner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Rotten year? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.234.170.2 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 935967904 199.234.170.2 (Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:05:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:05:04 EDT Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:02:53 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20674 I keep 2 hives in Central PA. I had a bad year. Hive #1 is a second year hive of Carniolans who had been trying to swarm all year long...they did little until recently...my queen problems still aren't right. They are just finishing a deep super off and appear to be bringing more in...almost time to treat though. Hive #2 is a nuc of italians that I started in late May...they are strong but I believe AFB has shown it's ugly head...they did ok considering I didn't feed them. They could have done much better. They have an excellent queen. Chris Gabe wrote in message news:7pqhgc$nvo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net... > Hello all, > > ok, was it just MY bees that had a rottn year? I keep a hive in eastern PA > and we were hit bad with the drought. Did anyone else in the mid-atlantic > states have as little honey as I did this year? I'm still hoping for a bit > af fall crop, but just about ready to through in the towel. Maybe next > summer may be better. > > From hensler@povn.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37C9C476.D5B524D5@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quaking Aspen References: <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:38:30 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.132 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 935969890 206.107.251.132 (Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:38:10 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:38:10 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20675 Peter Amschel wrote: > > Cool, man; cool. My guess it is a swarm, scouting out a place for > overwintering down. > >In reply to an article <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com>, hensler@povn.com says... > > Yo All: > > > > Does anyone here have any experience with bees working quaking aspens > > this time of the year? No. It is *not* a swarm... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz Mon Aug 30 21:45:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!news.akl.netlink.net.nz!kumar From: kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz (Kumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-keepers' health affected by smoke? Date: 30 Aug 1999 00:01:38 GMT Organization: NetLink Auckland, New Zealand. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7qchl2$fco$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.agresearch.cri.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20676 Does anyone know of any studies on whether the use of smoke to pacify bees poses health risks (passive smoking risks) for bee-keepers who don't indulge in recreational smoking (I'm thinking especially of commercial bee-keepers who are frequently exposed to smoke). I'm just curious. Have any bee-keepers reading this group changed their practices ( eg switched to "canned smoke" or other alternatives) because of the (perceived) health risks of smoke? -- Kumar vetharaniamk@agresearch.cri.nz From honeybs@radix.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:13:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7qck4k$sk$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> <01bef272$adf8a660$86d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20677 "Spike Psarris" wrote: >Thanks to all who replied! >Despite the "soothing" words of busybee, Platokafka, and Greg... ;-) Maybe next year you will try a stink board? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keepers' health affected by smoke? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:21:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7qckii$sk$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7qchl2$fco$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20678 kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz (Kumar Vetharaniam) wrote: >Does anyone know of any studies on whether the use of smoke to pacify >bees poses health risks (passive smoking risks) for bee-keepers who >don't indulge in recreational smoking (I'm thinking especially of >commercial bee-keepers who are frequently exposed to smoke). >I'm just curious. Have any bee-keepers reading this group changed >their practices ( eg switched to "canned smoke" or other alternatives) >because of the (perceived) health risks of smoke? The only thing bad about the smoker is that when I first quite smokeing it would make me want a cigarette. For the most part you don't generate that much smoke that you are breathing it. I wish I had known about the old smoker back during my pharmaceutical years! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keepers' health affected by smoke? Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:31:56 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37C9DF0C.5D41@midwest.net> References: <7qchl2$fco$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> <7qckii$sk$4@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20679 honeybs wrote: > I wish I had known about the old smoker back during my > pharmaceutical years! > > Greg the beekeep ??? AL From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37c9e683.23614199@news.cidial.com> References: <37c5c076.23593399@news.cidial.com> <19990829015835.17354.00001133@ng-fc1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:04:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.76 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 935978933 38.11.203.76 (Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:08:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:08:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20680 >Oh come on. You're mite free without the use of Apistan? No intervention >whatsoever to contain the mighty mite varroa? I have trouble believing it, but >I'm just a first-yearer myself, You talking to me? Charles Kroeger - You can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being Poe From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Date: 30 Aug 1999 03:51:22 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bef29a$665849a0$1a6caecf@spike> References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> <01bef272$adf8a660$86d32dc7@spike> <7qck4k$sk$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.174.108.26 X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 935985082 75669 207.174.108.26 (30 Aug 1999 03:51:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 03:51:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20681 > > Maybe next year you will try a stink board? > > Greg the beekeep I'd like to. This being my first year, I wanted to see how the bee escapes work. It didn't get that chilly overnight, so the supers were still full of bees. Next year, it's Bee-go... From pfranke@databasix.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:53:09 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7qcnpu$rmj$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <01bef1aa$fe927ce0$94d32dc7@spike> <19990828214527.21227.00000967@ng-cn1.aol.com> <01bef1d4$ed25f0c0$afd32dc7@spike> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20682 Spike Psarris wrote (answering Kevin): >I saw your message recently where you said you used to be an paramedic. I >was an EMT-B about 10 years ago myself, so I understand the seriousness of >anaphylaxis (a quick death), and I wasn't implying that MSG could be used >in place of proper treatment (epi and whatever other treatment a paramedic >would do - being only EMT-B, we weren't trained to administer anything, so >I don't know what a full treatment would look like). > >I was asking because we live a ways out in the country, and paramedic >services might not be available to us, so under certain circumstances it >might be faster to transport a victim myself to the nearest ER. Since I >don't have oxygen, epinephrine, or anything else, I was wondering if there >was anything that could be done en route. Or, even if paramedics were >available, whether or not MSG would help the victim while we were waiting. I'm also a former EMT and would NEVER recommend any home or mountain or folk remedy to anyone who is genuinely allergic to bee stings. An epipen is an essential accessory to anyone who is allergic. In those cases, an epipen is truly the difference between life and death. I have a friend whose three children are all allergic to beestings and although the cost is almost prohibitive for them (the school system requires that a new epipen be purchased at the beginning of each school year) they do it because the alternative is something none of us want to think of. When you're a half-hour or more from a hospital there is NO alternative. Frankly, I've been seriously considering keeping an epipen on hand here just in case a visitor to the farm gets stung and anaphylactic shock symptoms show themselves. (My farm is 30 minutes away from a hospital in a GOOD day). Actually, when the original question was posed, I was only thinking of regular everyday beestings. Those allergic are a completely different situation. Paula Head of Happy Hollow Farm Tollesboro, KY From mica@thegrid.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.tli.de!do.de.uu.net!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!lax.uu.net!alfalfa.thegrid.net!mica Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests From: mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) Message-ID: <1dxbahd.x5di5g1brd4nbN@lax-ts5-h1-47-8.ispmodems.net> References: <1dwsek7.pofq15i41xpfN@lax-ts5-h2-47-134.ispmodems.net> <7pkdip$176@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dwuaix.fuxlzv1xo5tjaN@lax-ts3-h2-44-66.ispmodems.net> <7ps874$2du9@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx01ko.z7cxnzirf2rnN@lax-ts2-h1-41-201.ispmodems.net> <7q1emq$2741@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx3myc.1lkhldj1lswtccN@lax-ts4-h1-44-236.ispmodems.net> <7q49mp$rus@edrn.newsguy.com> <1dx5gm2.5z6t7rg5gjnaN@lax-ts2-h1-42-83.ispmodems.net> <37dbc5e2.16621878@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx5mvt.1j5ezfq1y4dznjN@lax-ts6-h1-54-168.ispmodems.net> <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> <37f9cd2f.4864779@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx738o.1w8z2igtslqaN@lax-ts6-h1-54-21.ispmodems.net> <380d32ff.30932639@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx7sfb.1julyqfhbgo29N@lax-ts5-h1-46-118.ispmodems.net> <37dc979c.2070803@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx9oot.12y362t1wyi9upN@lax-ts4-h1-44-235.ispmodems.net> <384b71f5.11974922@enews.newsguy.com> Organization: Sugar Breath X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.2 Lines: 148 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:53:29 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.162.47.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thegrid.net X-Trace: alfalfa.thegrid.net 935992611 209.162.47.8 (Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:56:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:56:51 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:14946 alt.non.sequitur:65556 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20683 Beekeeper wrote: > mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > > >Beekeeper wrote: > > > >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> > >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> > > >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>hives, make a loud purring sound. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >hives, made more of a loud rumbling sound - not > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>attic, in one specific spot. It is on an outer > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>wall. It is usually early in the morning, or at > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>dusk. It is quite loud. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >your attic, you most likely have a hive of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >kitties napping in there. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>hole in my siding. My thought is I have a hive > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>in the attic. I would think a noise this loud > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>(hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>would require a large hive. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >fact is that even a hive of just one happy kitty > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >can be very loud. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >siding, well, I think you should look again. You > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >probably just imagined it. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>installing ceiling fans. Seems we would have > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>seen some activity. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >out the power tools. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >milk or cheese. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >of bees? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >you've said seems to indicate that you have bees. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> know, i know some people who are into that sort of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thing > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >night (don't ask) > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> there do you think? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for > >> >> >> >> >> >> >stuff like that > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes > >> >> >> >> >> >> >great with spooky bunny, if you already have that. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> too rich for my blood > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big > >> >> >> >> >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's > >> >> >> >> >a bit more sleep-with-able than vlade. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> i guess in a "hi i'm rony seikaly" sort of way, less the absolute > >> >> >> value of european basketball hottie than a function of what might be > >> >> > > >> >> >well, if you get him, let me know & i'll come try out for the part of > >> >> >the neighbor. > >> >> > >> >> just remember it's tv so no tongue > >> > > >> >two words: cable > >> > >> i'll let you in on a secret-- the reason hilarity ensues when the > >> basketball player gets it on with his neighbor is because the neighbor > >> isn't exactly a girl. fox loved it > > > >in that case better stick with vlade. otherwise it ruins seikaly for > >me. > > i shoulda hired someone to do casting for me, what a nightmare if i'd known you were casting so many b-ball players i would've volunteered earlier From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Mon Aug 30 21:45:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:15:55 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <935993716.537963@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-6.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20684 Spring is just starting here and I went out today to see what was happening, took about 30 or more stings from one hive, they were only a bit annoyed. Full suit and veil no gloves -- Barry Metz Spike Psarris wrote in message news:01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike... > From a first-year beekeeper... > > I just went in and put bee escapesunder the supers on my 3 hives, planning > on harvesting tomorrow. It's 4:00 on an overcast afternoon, so most of the > ladies were at home and somewhat more grumpy than usual. As a result, I > took a couple of stings, and at least one bee was irate enough to follow me > a quarter of a mile or so. (These are usually very gentle bees, and this > is the first time I've ever been stung.) > > What are the chances that they'll still be stirred up tomorrow, when I was > planning on harvesting? > > Thanks > -- > remove spamfree to reply From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quaking Aspen Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:24:27 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7qdrdv$1q3q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 936014079 59514 209.130.165.81 (30 Aug 1999 11:54:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 11:54:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20685 Hey Skip - Could they be pulling tree resin for propolis? Maybe a sign of an early or hard winter... --Busybee J.F.Hensler wrote in message <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com>... >Yo All: > >Does anyone here have any experience with bees working quaking aspens >this time of the year? > >We have a grove of aspens next to our bee yard and the trees have been >alive >with what I assume are honey bees for the past several weeks. The >trees are too tall to be sure but, due to the pitch and volume of the >humming, I don't think the bees >are either yellow jackets or native bees. The honey bees work the >aspen >blossoms early in the spring but now there is no nectar nor propolis >source available in the trees that I am aware of. > >Does anybody have any idea of what possible use they are making of the >aspens now? > >Skip >-- > >Skip and Christy Hensler >THE ROCK GARDEN >Newport, Wash. >http://www.povn.com/rock From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sticky Business! Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:28:50 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Message-ID: <7qdrm7$1rdg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7ndsma$lk6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37cbd7a0.6787969@news2.i-link-2.net> <7qb6p4$kp2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 936014343 60848 209.130.165.81 (30 Aug 1999 11:59:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 11:59:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 137 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20686 Wow! What a weekend! We had a terrific turnout to our Open House. One man >from Germany...a couple from PA...many new customers from surrounding area! Winner of my Beanie Baby was a lady from Nicollet, MN...just down the road apiece...thanks to all who participated in my drawing. Trying to unwind abit...but with 4 days down in extracting, we have to hit it hard again to make up for "lost" time. --Busybee busybee wrote in message <7qb6p4$kp2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >You are just in time that I could still enter your name in my drawing! Not >exactly the answers I was looking for but I will put you in the drawing for >being so clever :-) Today (Sun) is the last day of our Open House and the >drawing is at 6:00 tonight for the Beanie Babie! Open House is going well! >We've had many people stop...all are surprised how fascinating the honeybee >is and how much work it is to keep bees! > >I have a tv/vcr set up to show a short video...Magic Schoolbus, Reading >Rainbow or the NHB Whats Buzzin' have been the favorites! Then I pick >someone to dress as a beekeeper and explain the equipment/smoker and hive >tool. Open a demo hive (no bees of course). Then I take them to a table >with an Observation Hive...answer MANY questions there. There is also a tots >table where the little ones can color or play my daughters Fischer Price >"Boppin' Bee game. I then show our extracting line and our way of >operation and how every beekeepers set up varies. We have a large map of >where we keep our yards and stress the importance of bees in their gardens >and in all of agriculture. Answer more questions. Take them to the tank and >open the gate to release a slow stream of honey for them to stick their >fingers in to taste...this sends them willingly over to our honey sale table >;-). I have another large table set up with beeswax candles, recipes, some >pieces from my honey pot collection, a scrapbook of newspaper clippings and >information related to the industry. Lastly, a guestbook, prize drawing >registration and a copy of the latest edition of the Minnesota State Fair >Bee Line publication. We're handing this out...its chock-full of recipes, >information and Swenson Apiaries (our story and pictures) are highlighted >this year! :-) > >Having a ball! >--Busybee > > > >Real Name wrote in message <37cbd7a0.6787969@news2.i-link-2.net>... >>Hi, >> >> UM ... >> >> >>On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:30:20 -0500, >>"busybee" >>wrote: >> >>>Whew! Finally started extracting on >>Thursday...all going well so far >>>(fingers crossed :-). Thursday >>extracted 8 drums, yesterday pulled, >>today >>>extracted 10 drums...1/10 done with >>first rounds. >>> >>>Tomorrow doing a local parade. My 5 >>yr. old has a bee outfit and she is >>>handing out freeze pops (unfrozen) with >>an announcement to our open house in >>>August. There's a catch...if they fill >>out the 5 questions and return it to >>>us by our open house they have a chance >>to win a Ty Beanie Babie (Beezee) a >>>bear dressed as a bee. Had a trial run >>this am. when we sat at the local >>>farmers market with our trivia >>questions...people are not very good at >>>knowing the answers... >>> >>>Thought you fellow beekeepers would get >>a kick at this... >>> >>>Questions are: >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> >>>1. Honeybees collect pollen and >> >>Pixie dust . >>___________ from flowers. >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>2. The six-sided honeycomb is made of >> >>Sugar syrup, at three(?) to one . >>_______________. >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>3. There are many workers and drones in >>a colony but only one_______. >> >>Beekeeper >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>4. The transfer of pollen to one flower >>to another is called ____________. >> >>Migratory beekeeping . >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>5. After losing her stinger, a >>honeybee _____________. >> >>Falls through to my shorts . >> >>> >>>I looked through them earlier tonight >>and found only two people has answered >>>all correctly! (out of 16...we left >>early as my helper had to go to the >>>bathroom) Oh...one of the two people >>was my helper :-) (hehehe)...so is >>>disqualified! >>> >>>--Busybee >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:00:30 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 30 Aug 1999 12:05:33 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Aug 30 05:15:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust36.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37CA725E.6EEF@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20687 Spike Psarris wrote: > > From a first-year beekeeper... > > I just went in and put bee escapesunder the supers on my 3 hives, planning > on harvesting tomorrow. It's 4:00 on an overcast afternoon, so most of the > ladies were at home and somewhat more grumpy than usual. As a result, I > took a couple of stings, and at least one bee was irate enough to follow me > a quarter of a mile or so. (These are usually very gentle bees, and this > is the first time I've ever been stung.) > > What are the chances that they'll still be stirred up tomorrow, when I was > planning on harvesting? > > Thanks > -- > remove spamfree to reply Last week I could work my bees in a tank top and shorts using very little smoke. We had a cotton honey flow. It abruptly stopped and now i have to suit up. I will move most of my backyard bees to an out apairy next week after I remove the honey. It will be interesting requeening 10 hives with no honey flow. How long will it take to settle them down? I do not know but a little smoke sure does help. Don in NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: getting bees out of cut log into super questions Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:07:21 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7q9sn3$8o2@news1.snet.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 30 Aug 1999 12:12:24 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Aug 30 05:15:15 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust36.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37CA73F9.5152@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20688 npatt@snet.net wrote: > > I removed a bee hive from a tree. > > I had them cut the two sides of the log that contains the bees. > > They now sit in my back yard with a couple of supers on them. > > How do I get them out of the tree log into the supers? > > Would a one way escape get the queen out of the log? > > Do I need to medicate and with what? > > Norm Try putting a deep with brood in it on top instead of supers. She may move up then put an excluder under her. The bees will move the honey up. My brother puts his apisatan in the supers over the brood in the deep and has excellent results. I would do it in your case because it is hard to get them in the log. At any rate she will move up in the spring into the deep at which time you can set it off and remove the log. If you were close by, i'd be glad to help. Don in NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Bees Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:12:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7qat4i$n3u$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 30 Aug 1999 12:17:32 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Aug 30 05:25:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust36.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37CA752D.74E2@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20689 I have heard that a fall move in the middle or the day is advised to reduce the old field bees that will soon die any way. They just hang around and eat up the stores. I have done that with strong hives but not with weak ones. Night moves usually work well. A litte smoke, a helper to load them in the back of a truck and off you go. I used to use a screen but no longer use onr. Don in NC Paul A Isaac wrote: > > I am new to the bee keeping business but am seeking advice regarding what is > the best way to relocate a beehive ? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated > > Paul From bud1941@webtv.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't natur... Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <22365-37CA7625-8@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37c9e683.23614199@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRlwfxOm7SoaDDvFKpSFBj5meBEzwIUaU9Db/WKQZiBqJLl3tHX5vtXGEg= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20690 CHARLES KROEGER:I will add my name to that list and I make my liveing with bees. Tell us how you did it and what method you use to test that you were mite free and how many hives you have. BUD From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 30 21:45:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RED SICILIAN ORANGES Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:13:43 +0100 Organization: at home Message-ID: <3NzjZBAn8iy3EwTo@gandboss.demon.co.uk> References: <7q66ff$8hl$1@nslave1.tin.it> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936017308 nnrp-12:1424 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20691 And we keep bees, now go away... In article <7q66ff$8hl$1@nslave1.tin.it>, Francesca Carbonaro writes >I SELL RED SICILIAN ORANGES. >For information: > >francescacarbonaro@virgilio.it > >http://space.tin.it/economia/idbgr > > Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From honeybs@radix.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keepers' health affected by smoke? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:58:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7qdpte$rpf$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7qchl2$fco$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> <7qckii$sk$4@news1.Radix.Net> <37C9DF0C.5D41@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20692 AL wrote: >honeybs wrote: >> I wish I had known about the old smoker back during my >> pharmaceutical years! >> >> Greg the beekeep >??? >AL ' smoked a lot of pot back in the early '70s. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From shuston@riverace.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beginner Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:09:34 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 49 Message-ID: <37CA909E.7C5C6C31@riverace.com> References: <37C8185D.819CED31@swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: QD19Zu/rg+eJNkqFa6yzHd/REUKgZf1ne9N6fxpD9mc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 14:09:36 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20693 I second the book recommendations from others, and have only one note re neighbors and bees... I live in a residential neighborhood (20,000 sq. ft. lots, about 50-100 ft between houses). My yard goes back about 200 ft, with about 100 ft (the rear portion) wooded. My 3 hives are just inside the woods, in a clearing I made for them. They have to go up over trees to get anywhere other than the flowers in my backyard, and it's rare to see more than one or two bees around us in the yard. The neighbors wouldn't know there were bees there if they didn't see me walking around with a veil and gloves on. I told the neighbors bees were coming before I got them. A couple months after they were there, one of them asked me when the bees were coming, and was surprised when I said they'd been there a while - the neighbors sort of expected bees all over the place. So, it's worth the time it takes to educate the neighbors some. And offer them free honey :-) -Steve Paul Andrews wrote: > > Hello, > > I am thinking about starting a bee hive next year and was wondering if > anyone had any thoughts or suggestions on books I could read this winter > or places to buy or get plans for hives and any other supplies I would > need. > > Also, what do you think are my chances of keeping a hive alive. I live > in New Mexico, east of Albuquerque, at about 6500ft in elevation. Our > summers are quite pleasant, low 90s or high 80s in the day and 60s at > night. There are lots of open fields with flowering plants. Our last > frost/snow usually comes in May and the first frost/snow comes in > October. The snows usually melt in a few days, although in a few winters > it can stay for months. The temperatures go to the single digits in > winter. Can a hive survive in this kind of climate? > > Also, I do have neighbors and am not sure how this will be received. How > much space do I need and what kind of problems can occur? Do hives need > to be kept far away from people and livestock. I have 5acres, as does > most everyone close. > > -Paul -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From shuston@riverace.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long to calm down? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:19:18 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 42 Message-ID: <37CA92E6.C9D25A7B@riverace.com> References: <01bef1a9$51d47e00$94d32dc7@spike> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: usx9rJ16flPMJsiyBi5oyZUZInWlmtoJ0Eyan5w2/wM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 14:19:20 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20694 Another data point.... I extracted last week (one hive to extract from). I put in a Porter bee escape on Tuesday afternoon, and pulled the supers Thursday evening. I checked the "bee level" Wednesday afternoon (after 24 hrs) and Thursday morning, and found quite a bit, so went Thursday all suited up with leaf blower ready to go... I ended up brushing about 10 bees from each frame, without incident. I brought a wheelbarrel with an extra box and a tarp, and as I brushed each frame, I stashed it under the tarp. It seemed as though the main hive didn't have a clue that it was their hive I was taking it from. When I was done extracting, I put the frames/supers back on, above the inner cover (removed the bee escape first) and the frames are about done being cleaned out. -Steve Spike Psarris wrote: > > From a first-year beekeeper... > > I just went in and put bee escapesunder the supers on my 3 hives, planning > on harvesting tomorrow. It's 4:00 on an overcast afternoon, so most of the > ladies were at home and somewhat more grumpy than usual. As a result, I > took a couple of stings, and at least one bee was irate enough to follow me > a quarter of a mile or so. (These are usually very gentle bees, and this > is the first time I've ever been stung.) > > What are the chances that they'll still be stirred up tomorrow, when I was > planning on harvesting? > > Thanks > -- > remove spamfree to reply -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From shuston@riverace.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keepers' health affected by smoke? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:22:35 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 27 Message-ID: <37CA93AB.E2A46ED@riverace.com> References: <7qchl2$fco$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: Hx3oOAseYNq2sVXKFNcCdtIEMdmCtmJMtsMv3FdzwkA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 14:22:36 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20695 I've started to get decent at not getting much smoke on me. If the wind keeps changing direction though, I get it, but I don't notice I'm breathing it - any wind diffuses it very quickly. -Steve Kumar Vetharaniam wrote: > > Does anyone know of any studies on whether the use of smoke to pacify > bees poses health risks (passive smoking risks) for bee-keepers who > don't indulge in recreational smoking (I'm thinking especially of > commercial bee-keepers who are frequently exposed to smoke). > > I'm just curious. Have any bee-keepers reading this group changed > their practices ( eg switched to "canned smoke" or other alternatives) > because of the (perceived) health risks of smoke? > > -- > Kumar > > vetharaniamk@agresearch.cri.nz -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From hensler@povn.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CAB769.381224B7@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quaking Aspen References: <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com> <7qdrdv$1q3q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:55:05 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.106 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 936032088 206.107.251.106 (Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:54:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:54:48 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20696 Yo BB: I don't think so. They appear to be working the ends of the branches, not the trunks where most sap would ooze. Also, we have a lot of pines where I would assume the bulk of the resin for propolis would come from. On another thread someone mentioned that the bees will sometimes work aphids for honey dew during a drought. I suppose not having any measurable moisture since late June would qualify us for drought status, but I don't notice any aphids on either the garden plants or other trees. 'Tis a puzzler... :-) Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock busybee wrote: > > Hey Skip - > > Could they be pulling tree resin for propolis? Maybe a sign of an early or > hard winter... > > --Busybee > > J.F.Hensler wrote in message <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com>... > >Yo All: > > > >Does anyone here have any experience with bees working quaking aspens > >this time of the year? > > > >We have a grove of aspens next to our bee yard and the trees have been > >alive > >with what I assume are honey bees for the past several weeks. The > >trees are too tall to be sure but, due to the pitch and volume of the > >humming, I don't think the bees > >are either yellow jackets or native bees. The honey bees work the > >aspen > >blossoms early in the spring but now there is no nectar nor propolis > >source available in the trees that I am aware of. > > > >Does anybody have any idea of what possible use they are making of the > >aspens now? From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keepers' health affected by smoke? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:29:23 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37CABF73.449D@midwest.net> References: <7qchl2$fco$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> <7qckii$sk$4@news1.Radix.Net> <37C9DF0C.5D41@midwest.net> <7qdpte$rpf$1@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20697 honeybs wrote: > > AL wrote: > > >honeybs wrote: > > >> I wish I had known about the old smoker back during my > >> pharmaceutical years! > >> > >> Greg the beekeep > > >??? > > >AL > > ' smoked a lot of pot back in the early '70s. > > Greg the beekeep Whew, that smoker would make one heckuva houka... AL From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quaking Aspen Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:32:04 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <37CAC014.7259@midwest.net> References: <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com> <7qdrdv$1q3q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20698 Hey Busybee, Might want to cross check that theory with the wooly worm color chart. AL busybee wrote: > > Hey Skip - > > Could they be pulling tree resin for propolis? Maybe a sign of an early or > hard winter... > > --Busybee > > J.F.Hensler wrote in message <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com>... > >Yo All: > > > >Does anyone here have any experience with bees working quaking aspens > >this time of the year? > > > >We have a grove of aspens next to our bee yard and the trees have been > >alive > >with what I assume are honey bees for the past several weeks. The > >trees are too tall to be sure but, due to the pitch and volume of the > >humming, I don't think the bees > >are either yellow jackets or native bees. The honey bees work the > >aspen > >blossoms early in the spring but now there is no nectar nor propolis > >source available in the trees that I am aware of. > > > >Does anybody have any idea of what possible use they are making of the > >aspens now? > > > >Skip > >-- > > > >Skip and Christy Hensler > >THE ROCK GARDEN > >Newport, Wash. > >http://www.povn.com/rock From james.davidson1@virgin.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news1-gui.server.ntli.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "James Davidson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees not going up into supers Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:10:38 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7qedvb$5s$1@nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22-quail-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net 936033067 188 194.168.69.22 (30 Aug 1999 17:11:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:11:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20699 Why will bees not go up into super? Bottom box full and queenright. No excluder and warm frames. We are baffled! From simon.goc@yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail From: "Simon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEED: Pictures of bees (gif,jpg,bmp....) Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:54:42 GMT Organization: HiNet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bef30f$c4f80480$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: al9-p5-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 936035682 21245 195.29.236.5 (30 Aug 1999 17:54:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:54:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1154 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20700 I'll be greatfull for some pictures of bees or everything conectetd with beekeeping. (gif, jpeg, cdr, bmp, pic, tif, animations, ...) Thanks in advance. goran.salihovic@vz.tel.hr From simon.goc@yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail From: "Simon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEED: Pictures of bees (gif,jpg,bmp....) Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:57:14 GMT Organization: HiNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bef310$27bd5b60$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: al9-p5-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 936035834 21245 195.29.236.5 (30 Aug 1999 17:57:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:57:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1154 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20701 I'll be greatfull for some pictures of bees or everything conectetd with beekeeping. (gif, jpeg, cdr, bmp, pic, tif, animations, ...) Thanks in advance. goran.salihovic1@vz.tel.hr From simon.goc@yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!argos.tel.hr!not-for-mail From: "Simon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEED: Pictures of bees Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:58:13 GMT Organization: HiNet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bef310$4b081600$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: al9-p5-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: as102.tel.hr 936035893 21245 195.29.236.5 (30 Aug 1999 17:58:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@tel.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:58:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1154 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20702 I'll be greatfull for some pictures of bees or everything conectetd with beekeeping. (gif, jpeg, cdr, bmp, pic, tif, animations, ...) Thanks in advance. goran.salihovic1@vz.tel.hr From allend@internode.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Quaking Aspen Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:19:02 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <000201bef314$22f61280$02000003@allend> References: <37CAB769.381224B7@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37CAB769.381224B7@povn.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _qzBE+KLSRx3pOBT3SX09wQ= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20703 > I don't think so. They appear to be working the ends of the branches, > not the trunks where most sap would ooze. The buds at the ends are where they find the propolis, I think. > On another thread someone mentioned that the bees will sometimes work > aphids for honey dew during a drought. I suppose not having any > measurable moisture since late June would qualify us for drought > status, but I don't notice any aphids on either the garden plants or > other trees. Aphids on alfalfa sometimes give a really dark flow at the end of the season. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jamesd@xcelco.on.ca Mon Aug 30 21:45:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David James" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Moth Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:54:18 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20704 What is the most accepted method to prevent wax month. A friend of mine has lost 5 hives this summer to the wax moth. All of the hives are located in the same location and started off strong in the early summer From nono@nono.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not going up into supers From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7qedvb$5s$1@nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.94 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936040758 216.98.69.94 (Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:19:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:19:18 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:19:18 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20705 Does the super have drawn comb or foundation? Bees are sometimes reluctant to start using a super of foundation if they can avoid it. If that's the problem then entice them into the super with a few frames of drawn foundation. John r. n article <7qedvb$5s$1@nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net>, james.davidson1@virgin.net says... > >Why will bees not go up into super? Bottom box full and queenright. No >excluder and warm frames. We are baffled! > > From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Aug 30 21:45:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't nature a pain.) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:10:41 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 97 Message-ID: <37cacff1.5217245@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <7pgjte$iql$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c3ea90.3695758@news2.i-link-2.net> <37C30A49.27A2@midwest.net> <7q1m7s$ar4$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net> <7qbjdv$vsr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20706 Hi, We're getting too political, to post this sort of material in a beekeeping newsgroup . But, I rarely pass up an opportunity to rant . What you have to remember, is that in a real depression, is that the machinery of agriculture runs down, breaks down, and even the basic necessities of life begin to quit, one, by inevitable one . For just one example : The one great boon to agriculture of recent times, is the "deep" well . Water found at a couple of hundred feet is usually clean, clear, and plentiful . But if you have to choose between fixing the water pump, you can't grow crops without, or Janet Reno's Chinese Mercenary Paramilitaries, the pump comes last . And EVERYONE goes without the benefit of your crops on their tables . The Wall Street bunch call you lazy, and say that because you don't repair your machinery, you deserve to fail, while THEY use the depressed dollars to buy your farms at tax auctions for pennies on the (thousands of)dollar(s) . Money is as much a weapon of being the last man standing, on the domestic battlefields of "competition", as a battle tank, or an attack helicopter . Victory in battle, is defined as being the last man standing on the ground under dispute . So when The Land becomes just another commodity, everyone loses . Farming a particular piece of land of commercial size, takes a minimum of three generations to learn . And every piece of land is different from the next . What works great, on one piece of land, will probably fail marginally, but probably fail eventually, on another one . We need to teach our children to value all knowledge, but never forget that it is beneficial to the extent that it contributes to our personal security, as individuals, and be mortally suspicious of people with their guns out, asking us to believe in their cause, to the harm of our own . Too much written, off topic . Ken . On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:20:44 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > >Real Name wrote in message <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net>... >> One side of my family came >>from the deep south, and tobacco >>is all that kept most of those >>counties, and many states, from >>starving to death, when times get >>hard . >>------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Could they not have grown food? > From hamilton@pbssite.com Mon Aug 30 21:45:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Message-ID: <37cae146.364486609@news.usenetserver.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:54:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: IRIS 936053690 207.91.44.54 (Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:54:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:54:50 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.itconsult.net!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!IRIS.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20707 The hives were lost from someother problem then the wax moths moved in .. strong hives can keep wax moths at bay On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:54:18 -0400, "David James" wrote: >What is the most accepted method to prevent wax month. A friend of mine has >lost 5 hives this summer to the wax moth. All of the hives are located in >the same location and started off strong in the early summer > > From dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM Mon Aug 30 21:45:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: too much honey, not enough brood Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:17:59 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20708 I have two hives that were started this spring. One is doing great, with about 15 shallow frames full. The other is a concern to me. This hive has no capped honey in the super. I opened it up to check for the queen and found about 3 or 4 deep frames with brood and pollen, but everything else is capped honey. Is it common for the hive to "seal off" the queen with honey filled frames? From what I have read, the bees would/could move honey to the supers and give more space for brood, but that's not happening. It is obvious that the population is low in the second hive, but there is capped brood, eggs, larvae, etc in those few frames. I don't have any deep frames to put in. Should I take out some honey, or move frames? Or should I leave it be? TIA for any suggestions. From dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM Mon Aug 30 21:45:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RED SICILIAN ORANGES Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:19:22 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7q66ff$8hl$1@nslave1.tin.it> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20709 I'll take a dozen. Francesca Carbonaro wrote in message <7q66ff$8hl$1@nslave1.tin.it>... >I SELL RED SICILIAN ORANGES. >For information: > >francescacarbonaro@virgilio.it > >http://space.tin.it/economia/idbgr > > From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Tue Aug 31 16:58:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't natur... Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37d3f5ed.18624913@news.cidial.com> References: <37c9e683.23614199@news.cidial.com> <22365-37CA7625-8@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 97 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:24:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.57 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 936048518 38.11.203.57 (Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:28:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:28:38 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20710 >CHARLES KROEGER:I will add my name to that list and I make my liveing >with bees. There isn't any mystery. I used to transport 60 hives to a place about 80 miles from me, (Clarendon, TX.) to pollinate watermelons and pumpkins. Two members of the Jeeter family farm about a mile from my bees bought 25 hives >from South Texas and installed them in a 5 acre alfalfa field. By the next year all their bees were dead, (they had never kept bees before or read about keeping bees) and my bees had mites (Varroa mites) I then started using Apistan with the usual results, until I read about Fluvalinate being detected in wax. (this was in an ABJ Journal) I figured if it was in the wax it could be in the honey, and since I don't like using chemicals anyway, I stopped using it. That was the fall of 1995. In January, 1996 I fed an experimental mixture of sugar syrup containing Azadiractin (neem tree extract) and Thymol solution. If you would like to try this yourself use the following mixture: 3 lb. (1.3 kg.) white sugar and add water to make one gallon (3.78 liters) (add to that) 11.3 cc of 3000 ppm Azadiractin solution 5 cc of 2% thymol solution The success of this feeding was mixed. I still lost hives. I did no treatment for mites during the season of 1996 and went into the fall with 50 hives. I fed the above syrup mixture again in January of 1997 but continued to lose hives. There were also two hive losses from AFB and five from "mysterious" causes. There were more losses throughout the fall of 1997, BUT THE BEES THAT SURVIVED HAD AMPLE STORES. I didn't feed any syrup for January 1998. I started the season of 1998 with 30 hives but the decline continued. The season of 1998 here was a very bad one, (south of Amarillo, Texas.) comparing to the severe drought of the 1950's We had a good winter for moisture, and it did rain some in April, but after that nothing until the following October. Also during this summer we broke records for heat and had more than 35 consecutive days of temperatures over 100 F. (38 C.) There was a big die off. I went into the fall of 1998 with 20 hives. In January of 1999, I fed pollen substitute and a sugar syrup mixture again because the survivors stores were so low. I did not use the Azadiractin this time. Long before Varroa mites, I always used thymol solution as a syrup preservative, to prevent fermentation. When the season started in March, 1999 I still had 20 hives. One later died of AFB. The season started good and continued good, the bees present expanded well and had good populations by the end of April. One hive even swarmed, the first swarm I've had since I quit using Apistan. That rather cheered me up. Now I have 20 hives that look good and strong. This Summer has been a record breaker for rain (more than 25 inches by the end of July) The kind of record you want. The conditions have obviously played a role. Also I wouldn't say I live in a "closed" area for bees but I don't think there are any other hives within 5 miles of me. I could be wrong. I live on the edge of a canyon and there could be an old swarm down there somewhere that's surviving. Also this year a Doctor that was keeping bees in Amarillo got nervous about being sued and gave me two hives: "Midnights" and "Italians" He had done very well for his first year of beekeeping also because of the rain, and had gone from two packages in April to 250 pound hives at the beginning of August. I have put these two hives with my original survivors and we'll see if the mites reappear. To put it simply, when I quit using Apistan I had Varroa mites and lost a lot of bees, but on the other hand, I had survivors. (Originally Buckfast queens) It is my intention next year to split as many hives as possible, weather permitting, and start to build up hopefully, a mite resistant yard. Watch this space for further news. >what method you use to test that you were mite free and how many hives you have. A cup of bees in a fruit jar and pour in a half cup of supermarket alcohol, shake well and look for dead mites in the bottom of the jar. Also if a hive looks big and strong and survives the winter, I assume it doesn't have mites. 22 hives at the moment. I know these methods would not be suitable for a large operation. No one can afford to sustain those types of losses when you're living depends on it, but for a non commercial operation, where you didn't want to use artificial pyrethrum or other chemicals in your hives, (I eat this honey too) patience and selecting survivors to make new hives is the best way to go. Hope this explains the miracle. Charles Kroeger From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 31 16:58:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Aug 1999 22:25:48 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990830182548.03910.00001658@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20711 >A friend of mine has >lost 5 hives this summer to the wax moth. All of the hives ar Hives are not lost to wax moth. This was an excuse used for years by old timers that didn't know about brood disease, mites etc. Even a strong hive will on occasion have a worm or two but if he is seen he's a goner,hauled right out the front door !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Aug 31 16:58:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quaking Aspen Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:11:50 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7qf1c9$m7e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com> <7qdrdv$1q3q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37CAC014.7259@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-65.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 936052937 22766 209.130.165.65 (30 Aug 1999 22:42:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 22:42:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20712 Do you mean as far as predicting an early winter? I have heard bees propolize hives more (same as wooly worm predicting)...Old Farmers Almanac type theories... --Busybee AL wrote in message <37CAC014.7259@midwest.net>... >Hey Busybee, > >Might want to cross check that theory with the wooly worm color chart. > >AL > > > >busybee wrote: >> >> Hey Skip - >> >> Could they be pulling tree resin for propolis? Maybe a sign of an early or >> hard winter... >> >> --Busybee >> >> J.F.Hensler wrote in message <37C98F0D.D4B90ABF@povn.com>... >> >Yo All: >> > >> >Does anyone here have any experience with bees working quaking aspens >> >this time of the year? >> > >> >We have a grove of aspens next to our bee yard and the trees have been >> >alive >> >with what I assume are honey bees for the past several weeks. The >> >trees are too tall to be sure but, due to the pitch and volume of the >> >humming, I don't think the bees >> >are either yellow jackets or native bees. The honey bees work the >> >aspen >> >blossoms early in the spring but now there is no nectar nor propolis >> >source available in the trees that I am aware of. >> > >> >Does anybody have any idea of what possible use they are making of the >> >aspens now? >> > >> >Skip >> >-- >> > >> >Skip and Christy Hensler >> >THE ROCK GARDEN >> >Newport, Wash. >> >http://www.povn.com/rock From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 31 16:58:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:10:35 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7qf344$ub5$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-5.polonium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 936054724 31077 62.136.41.133 (30 Aug 1999 23:12:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 1999 23:12:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20713 If a colony has died and there are signs of Wax Moth presence, I find that freezing all the woodwork and combs will kill the pest in all its stages. Usually 24hrs at -20c does it. This has no residual effect though. As soon as they come out of the freezer they can get re-infested. Strong colonies of good housekeepers are the best solution. Graham David James wrote in message news:rsll12mvj7151@corp.supernews.com... > What is the most accepted method to prevent wax month. A friend of mine has > lost 5 hives this summer to the wax moth. All of the hives are located in > the same location and started off strong in the early summer > > From jrmars@tricon.net Tue Aug 31 16:58:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.119!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.109 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936066155 216.98.71.109 (Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:22:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:22:35 EDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:22:35 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20714 Wax worms killing a colony is a common misconception. They are merely the vultures after the colony has already died from some other problem such as mites or dwindling. John R. In article , jamesd@xcelco.on.ca says... > >What is the most accepted method to prevent wax month. A friend of mine has >lost 5 hives this summer to the wax moth. All of the hives are located in >the same location and started off strong in the early summer > > From buzz@apiary.org Tue Aug 31 16:58:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: buzz@apiary.org (Beekeeper) Newsgroups: alt.edgar,alt.non.sequitur,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees as pests Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:34:17 GMT Organization: IIIrd Beekeeper Message-ID: <381a5b27.3351152@enews.newsguy.com> References: <37d706ef.964505@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx62ec.1ka8asufxpro0N@lax-ts1-h1-40-54.ispmodems.net> <37f9cd2f.4864779@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx738o.1w8z2igtslqaN@lax-ts6-h1-54-21.ispmodems.net> <380d32ff.30932639@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx7sfb.1julyqfhbgo29N@lax-ts5-h1-46-118.ispmodems.net> <37dc979c.2070803@enews.newsguy.com> <1dx9oot.12y362t1wyi9upN@lax-ts4-h1-44-235.ispmodems.net> <384b71f5.11974922@enews.newsguy.com> <1dxbahd.x5di5g1brd4nbN@lax-ts5-h1-47-8.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-524.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 156 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.edgar:15276 alt.non.sequitur:65905 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20715 On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:53:29 -0800, mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >Beekeeper wrote: > >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> > >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>mica@thegrid.net (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Beekeeper wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mica@thegrid.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Olivia543 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi, I am just wondering if bees, when in their >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>hives, make a loud purring sound. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I had always thought that bees, when in their >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >hives, made more of a loud rumbling sound - not >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >unlike a coffeecan full of rocks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have this loud purring sound coming from my >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>attic, in one specific spot. It is on an outer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>wall. It is usually early in the morning, or at >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>dusk. It is quite loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think if you are hearing purring coming from >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >your attic, you most likely have a hive of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >kitties napping in there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Today, I noticed bees, going through a small >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>hole in my siding. My thought is I have a hive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>in the attic. I would think a noise this loud >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>(hearing it through ceiling, loud and clear), >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>would require a large hive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You *would* think that, wouldn't you. But the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >fact is that even a hive of just one happy kitty >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >can be very loud. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >As for the bees going through a hole in your >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >siding, well, I think you should look again. You >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >probably just imagined it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We have been up in the attic this summer, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>installing ceiling fans. Seems we would have >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>seen some activity. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Kitties are sly. They probably hid when you got >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >out the power tools. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You may be able to tempt them out with some >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >milk or cheese. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, is an exterminator the only way to get rid >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >of bees? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I really think you should look again. Nothing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >you've said seems to indicate that you have bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What a question to ask of people who like bees. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please be kind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you have any bees you need to get rid of let me >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> know, i know some people who are into that sort of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >how is the used bee market? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i have people who work in the orchestra chambers at >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >night (don't ask) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >what about the used kitten market? anything shaking >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> there do you think? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> please don't shake kittens, they send you to hell for >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >stuff like that >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >i just heard of this great invention, numby bunny. goes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >great with spooky bunny, if you already have that. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> too rich for my blood >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >number 12 in a series if i recall correctly >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it plays itself out like a comedy starring vlade divac, mr big >> >> >> >> >> >> european guy sleeps with his neighbor and hilarity ensues >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >perhaps you should consider toni kukoc for the role, as he's >> >> >> >> >> >a bit more sleep-with-able than vlade. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >what about what's-his-name, seikaly, he's cute too. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i guess in a "hi i'm rony seikaly" sort of way, less the absolute >> >> >> >> value of european basketball hottie than a function of what might be >> >> >> > >> >> >> >well, if you get him, let me know & i'll come try out for the part of >> >> >> >the neighbor. >> >> >> >> >> >> just remember it's tv so no tongue >> >> > >> >> >two words: cable >> >> >> >> i'll let you in on a secret-- the reason hilarity ensues when the >> >> basketball player gets it on with his neighbor is because the neighbor >> >> isn't exactly a girl. fox loved it >> > >> >in that case better stick with vlade. otherwise it ruins seikaly for >> >me. >> >> i shoulda hired someone to do casting for me, what a nightmare > >if i'd known you were casting so many b-ball players i would've >volunteered earlier you've got first pick for the sequel, "we wear short shorts and come >from europe europe" From pacman-biz@mindspring.com Tue Aug 31 16:58:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "The Game Man" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help, X-LARGE un-identified WASP-BEE living in my YARD Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:16:58 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 87 Message-ID: <7qfv58$a3m$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.9e.01 X-Server-Date: 31 Aug 1999 07:10:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20716 Hello, This past week a large (2.25 inches long) wasp/bee thing burrowing a hole into a small hill in my back yard. It is at least as long as 4 honey bees. No, it is not a Hornet, Bumble Bee, Honey Bee, Dirt Dobber, Red Wasp or a Horse Fly or a puney Yellow Jacket. (I will hook up my scanner tomorrow night and post a shortcut to my webpage for your ability to see this *thing* and its new (home ?)) BTW, I live Near Atlanta, Georgia *** THE STORY (non fiction) *** I began seeing several days ago a pile of dirt similar to a large ant hill in my back yard, then after the seccond day, I saw the *cave* (about 1 to 1.25 inches diameter) and a sort of trail leading away from the entrance. We have Yellow Jackets here, but this thing is 8x larger than any yellow jacket i've ever seen. Around 2 am EST on the 3rd day (evening) I happend to be going to my truck and looked down (have a driveway light 20 feet away)and saw some movement, thinking it was a snake, I was a bit jumppy... but then, since it was hard to see, I thought it was a brown beetle, but it was in 3 sections. This *thing* was only out for a few secconds, I was just luckey to have been there at the right time. Next night around midnight I got out my Nikon F100 and SB-28 flash and waited, and waited and waited (one hour) for it to come out, but it did not appear. That morning, I saw more dirt ! (darn) So that night agian I got my camera and came out at 3 am and I saw this thing. (FINALLY) It would make a trip into its hole and come out backwards with about a tablespoon of dirt and deposit it at the entrance of its cave. (round trip about 5 to 7 minutes)..Then, on every 3rd trip, it (I believe it to be a she) would then push (backwards) the 3 tablespoons all the way out the hole to the edge of its cliff (why I originally saw a trail) then it would quickly scurry (forward) back into its hole. I laid my ruler next to the trail and snapped a roll of film, finally getting it backing up, then the *full size* when she was going forward back into her hole. That morning I had the roll developed and the pictures came out GREAT, just like daytime (no the flash didn't bother that *thing*) It is a Bee or Wasp for sure, 3 sections, and pair of antenna 3/8 long (or so) . Its abdomin is striped yellow and black bands. and it has long thin brownish wings. My best judgement is with the antenne, it is around 2.25 inches long to the tip of its abdomin. I would estimate that it dug out approximately 3/4 or a Gallon of dirt, based on the size of its *cliff* Total for 4 days. Been two days now, and absoultely no more activity, no more dirt build up. QUESTION (s) : Is it now laying eggs inside there, and how many should I expect to come out (when, next spring-summer?) My wife and i are having a baby next month,and we are wondering if this spring we will have a large swarm of these (yellowjackets on super steroids) biting, and stinging us and the new baby this spring-summer next year? This *hole* is only 10 feet from our above-ground swimming pool and 10 feet in the other direction from where our cars are parked. What does it eat, (my wife's flowers, nectar)?? I have heard about a *mexican wasp* that is migrating north (here) and is this it? Is it dangerous Will P.E.T.A (or P.E.T.I (insects))come and claim it is a rare *thing* and take my yard from me? Should I KILL it (them) by injecting some heavy duty roach spray into its hole? I will hook up my scanner tomorrow night and post a shortcut to my webpage for your ability to see this *thing* and its new (home ?) Any help appreciated, thank you in advance. Post here or email directly to me, either is good. Bret From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Aug 31 16:58:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, X-LARGE un-identified WASP-BEE living in my YARD Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Aug 1999 13:10:58 GMT References: <7qfv58$a3m$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990831091058.00441.00002205@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20717 >Hello, This past week a large (2.25 inches long) wasp/bee thing burrowing a >hole into a small hill in my back yard. It is at least as long as 4 honey >bees. No, it is not a Hornet, Bumble Bee, Honey Bee, Dirt Dobber, Red Wasp >or a Horse Fly or a puney Yellow Jacket. Sounds like a cicada killer. They are harmless, though I wouldn't grab one in my hands. - All part of the balance of nature..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From hamilton@pbssite.com Tue Aug 31 16:58:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ60!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!IRIS.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, X-LARGE un-identified WASP-BEE living in my YARD Message-ID: <37cbc13e.421822859@news.usenetserver.com> References: <7qfv58$a3m$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 93 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:49:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: IRIS 936111000 207.91.44.54 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:50:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:50:00 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20718 Could it be a cicada killer wasp? On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:16:58 -0400, "The Game Man" wrote: >Hello, This past week a large (2.25 inches long) wasp/bee thing burrowing a >hole into a small hill in my back yard. It is at least as long as 4 honey >bees. No, it is not a Hornet, Bumble Bee, Honey Bee, Dirt Dobber, Red Wasp >or a Horse Fly or a puney Yellow Jacket. > >(I will hook up my scanner tomorrow night and post a shortcut to my webpage >for your ability to see this *thing* and its new (home ?)) > >BTW, I live Near Atlanta, Georgia > >*** THE STORY (non fiction) *** > >I began seeing several days ago a pile of dirt similar to a large ant hill >in my back yard, then after the seccond day, I saw the *cave* (about 1 to >1.25 inches diameter) and a sort of trail leading away from the entrance. >We have Yellow Jackets here, but this thing is 8x larger than any yellow >jacket i've ever seen. > >Around 2 am EST on the 3rd day (evening) I happend to be going to my truck >and looked down (have a driveway light 20 feet away)and saw some movement, >thinking it was a snake, I was a bit jumppy... but then, since it was hard >to see, I thought it was a brown beetle, but it was in 3 sections. This >*thing* was only out for a few secconds, I was just luckey to have been >there at the right time. > >Next night around midnight I got out my Nikon F100 and SB-28 flash and >waited, and waited and waited (one hour) for it to come out, but it did not >appear. > >That morning, I saw more dirt ! (darn) So that night agian I got my camera >and came out at 3 am and I saw this thing. (FINALLY) It would make a trip >into its hole and come out backwards with about a tablespoon of dirt and >deposit it at the entrance of its cave. (round trip about 5 to 7 >minutes)..Then, on every 3rd trip, it (I believe it to be a she) would then >push (backwards) the 3 tablespoons all the way out the hole to the edge of >its cliff (why I originally saw a trail) then it would quickly scurry >(forward) back into its hole. > >I laid my ruler next to the trail and snapped a roll of film, finally >getting it backing up, then the *full size* when she was going forward back >into her hole. > >That morning I had the roll developed and the pictures came out GREAT, just >like daytime (no the flash didn't bother that *thing*) It is a Bee or Wasp >for sure, 3 sections, and pair of antenna 3/8 long (or so) . Its abdomin is >striped yellow and black bands. and it has long thin brownish wings. My best >judgement is with the antenne, it is around 2.25 inches long to the tip of >its abdomin. > >I would estimate that it dug out approximately 3/4 or a Gallon of dirt, >based on the size of its *cliff* Total for 4 days. > >Been two days now, and absoultely no more activity, no more dirt build up. > >QUESTION (s) : > >Is it now laying eggs inside there, and how many should I expect to come out >(when, next spring-summer?) > >My wife and i are having a baby next month,and we are wondering if this >spring we will have a large swarm of these (yellowjackets on super steroids) >biting, and stinging us and the new baby this spring-summer next year? This >*hole* is only 10 feet from our above-ground swimming pool and 10 feet in >the other direction from where our cars are parked. > >What does it eat, (my wife's flowers, nectar)?? > >I have heard about a *mexican wasp* that is migrating north (here) and is >this it? > >Is it dangerous > >Will P.E.T.A (or P.E.T.I (insects))come and claim it is a rare *thing* and >take my yard from me? > >Should I KILL it (them) by injecting some heavy duty roach spray into its >hole? > >I will hook up my scanner tomorrow night and post a shortcut to my webpage >for your ability to see this *thing* and its new (home ?) > >Any help appreciated, thank you in advance. Post here or email directly to >me, either is good. > >Bret > > From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Tue Aug 31 16:58:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't natur... Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:12:33 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7qggt7$6et$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <37c9e683.23614199@news.cidial.com> <22365-37CA7625-8@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <37d3f5ed.18624913@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 936101607 6621 129.173.88.206 (31 Aug 1999 12:13:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1999 12:13:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20719 -SNIP- > I know these methods would not be suitable for a large operation. No one > can afford to sustain those types of losses when you're living depends on > it, but for a non commercial operation, where you didn't want to use > artificial pyrethrum or other chemicals in your hives, (I eat this honey > too) patience and selecting survivors to make new hives is the best way to > go. > > Hope this explains the miracle. > > Charles Kroeger > Hi, just curious. Earlier in your posting you mentioned that you lost hives to American foulbrood too. Do you use antibiotics in your hives to prevent AFB? Everybody is talking about residues of Varroa treatment in wax and, more important honey. What about antibiotics? Honey analysis showed antibiotics in honey bought by the testing institute. Cheers Ulli From BobCan@Clover.Net Tue Aug 31 16:58:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supering Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:32:38 -0400 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.14 Message-ID: <37cbcb6a@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 31 Aug 1999 08:32:42 -0500, 12.4.231.14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!12.4.231.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20720 I currently have my bees in 1 large brood box with a medium super over an excluder. I will be slinging honey this coming weekend and was thinking of adding my empty mediums as brood chambers after extracting them and adding one more frame back to make them a full house of 10. I was thinking of enlarging my current setup to 1 deep and 1 medium and then feeding them heavily and medicate them for over wintering. I will not be using the mediums in the future for supers as I will keep them part of the brood area. My question is... is it ok to add the medium and feed heavy to allow for stores over winter or should I leave my deep as is and add the medium in spring for growth and swarm control? Suggestions appreciated Bob Southeastern Ohio From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Aug 31 16:58:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: too much honey, not enough brood Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Aug 1999 13:18:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990831091811.00441.00002208@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20721 From: "Dave Marple" dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM >I have two hives that were started this spring. One is doing great, with >about 15 shallow frames full. The other is a concern to me. This hive has >no capped honey in the super. I opened it up to check for the queen and >found about 3 or 4 deep frames with brood and pollen, but everything else is >capped honey. Is it common for the hive to "seal off" the queen with honey >filled frames? From what I have read, the bees would/could move honey to >the supers and give more space for brood, but that's not happening. It is >obvious that the population is low in the second hive, but there is capped >brood, eggs, larvae, etc in those few frames. > >I don't have any deep frames to put in. Should I take out some honey, or >move frames? Or should I leave it be? TIA for any suggestions. They are honeybound. It sounds as though they were reluctant to go thru the excluder, though your description indicates they may have later. The population could be small because the queen has no place to lay, or perhaps they blew a swarm. The problem is that you are going to be starting winter with old bees, because of the low brood production. You want to overwinter on young bees.' I'd swipe a frame of sealed brood from your strong hive and give it to them, also finding some way to give the queen more room to lay. Perhaps your strong hive also has another frame with not too much of anything on it. Lots of inexperienced beekeepers will pull off the supers about now, leaving the brood chamber to plug up, and stopping brood production early. I want to keep the queen laying as long as possible. You will get a higher rate of winter survival with the most possible young bees. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From eric_cl@pacbell.net Tue Aug 31 16:58:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CBFFFF.CABD1B6E@pacbell.net> From: "Eric K. Engelhard" Organization: Charmed Life X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED: Pictures of bees References: <01bef310$4b081600$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:17:03 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.215.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net 936116049 216.103.215.122 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:14:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:14:09 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20722 You can grab my photo of a worker foraging on a mustard flower. It was captured from video using a Snappy card, but the resolution is decent. It is on my website at http://216.103.215.122/ . I am in the process of putting together a page of my San Francisco rooftop apiary. You also might want to check out this famous Smithsonian picture (one of my favorite): http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/images/kbees.gif . -- Eric K. Engelhard, Ph.D. Charmed Life San Francisco, CA From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Tue Aug 31 16:58:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Units of Selection (was Re: Animal cruelty (was Re: Isn't natur... Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37cbf9c6.2383599@news.cidial.com> References: <37c9e683.23614199@news.cidial.com> <22365-37CA7625-8@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <37d3f5ed.18624913@news.cidial.com> <7qggt7$6et$1@News.Dal.Ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 54 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:35:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.92 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 936117572 38.11.203.92 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:39:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:39:32 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20723 Ulli Hoger ask: >Do you use antibiotics in your hives to >prevent AFB? No, I don't use any Terramycin. If a hive shows signs of AFB and I notice it in the early stages, I remove the infected frames, and see if the bees survive; sometimes they do, sometimes not. If it becomes apparent the infected hive is not going to survive, it is important to get it closed up and inaccessible to the other bees. After the AFB hive has died out, I boil every thing (except the concrete top) in a 10 Gallon vat of water and caustic soda for 10 to 15 minutes. (3 cups of caustic soda to 10 gal of water, be careful) This solution is VERY DANGEROUS. Never add the water to the caustic soda, always the caustic soda to the water. Always wear eye and skin protection and nitrile gloves. I wear a cotton paint hood, safety goggles and a long sleeve shirt. I use nitrile gloves. If you get a drop of this solution on exposed skin, a severe burn will "begin" to occur. When the solution is hot, it's a lot faster. Have a water hose on and at the ready if you try this method of cleaning hive parts; if you get this solution on you, wash it off quick. Also, about caustic soda solutions, don't wear your favorite pair of shoes or trousers to do this job. Everything the caustic solution touches will eventually develop a hole. One last thing, never use an aluminum vessel to hold this solution. Use carbon or stainless steel. Don't take this warning lightly. After this bath, I dry the hive overnight and repaint it. If the frames are new I boil them down too and reuse the wood. This usually can be done once in the life of a wooden frame. (I use a type of frame that has a split bottom bar that allows the foundation to be reinstalled easily through the bottom. To secure the foundation ends, I don't use those expensive "split pins" or traditional wiring. To hold the foundation ends straight, I have 2 wire "struts" embedded vertically on each end of the frame. (this is particular to Americans and the frames they use. I didn't have a problem with the foundation fitting the frame when I kept bees in Britain) This creates a channel the foundation can go through and be held firmly on both sides. After that two small screws into the bottom bar to secure the foundation, and try again. (too bad you can't draw a picture on newsgroups) Charles Kroeger - Work will make you free Old German expression From nono@nono.com Tue Aug 31 16:58:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Italian Extractor Motorization..Help From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.84 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936118925 216.98.69.84 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:02:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:02:05 EDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:02:05 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20724 I know that a number of people in this newsgroup have bought the nine frame radial extractor sold by Brushy Mtn. I was wondering if anyone has motorized the hand crack model? If you have, could you please share how you went about doing this with a fairly detailed explanation so that others could do the same. Thanks. John R. From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 31 16:58:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Bees Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:42:16 +0100 Organization: berfa - where computers have attitude Message-ID: References: <7qat4i$n3u$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936121796 nnrp-04:13477 NO-IDENT berfa.demon.co.uk:158.152.69.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20725 Having just moved the association's bees to their new training apiary I can only endorse the advice given below and to add 1) make sure that there is adequate ventilation, we replace the roof with a mesh sheet while they are in transit. 2) use secure straps, ratchet style is best 3) check the hive for damage before moving it, they can find the smallest hole or crack 4) prepare the new site before the arrival. get the stands in place. 5) place a branch or obstacle in front of the entrance before removing the transit closure. In this way they stop and think about where they are going instead of just buzzing out of the hive and expecting to find the same old forage! 6) "bless" the site by sacrificing a bottle of mead, ale, or wine and enjoy In article , Peter Amschel writes >I have heard that if you move less than 3 feet or more than 3 >miles the bees will not be drawn to the old location but will >instead return to the new location. You have to close them into >their hives in the night before the move. That's about all I know >about that. > > > >In article <7qat4i$n3u$1@the-fly.zip.com.au>, tandia@value.com.au >says... >> I am new to the bee keeping business but am seeking advice regarding what is >> the best way to relocate a beehive ? >> >> Any information would be greatly appreciated >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> -- Dr David A Gladstone - Hon Secretary Bristol Beekeepers Association, Bristol UK web site www.bristol-beekeepers.freeserve.co.uk