From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Tue Dec 1 06:04:27 EST 1998 Article: 15122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: immersion heaters Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:48:03 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.210 Message-ID: <365896a9.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.210 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15122 Might anyone know how long it would take to heat a 55 gal drum of liquid with an immersion heater like the kind that Mann Lake offers at $55.95 (page#17,item HD-335)? thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com {remove the q's to respond personally....NO_SPAM} From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Tue Dec 1 06:04:54 EST 1998 Article: 15122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: immersion heaters Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:48:03 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.210 Message-ID: <365896a9.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.210 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15122 Might anyone know how long it would take to heat a 55 gal drum of liquid with an immersion heater like the kind that Mann Lake offers at $55.95 (page#17,item HD-335)? thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com {remove the q's to respond personally....NO_SPAM} From rheart@wave.co.nz Tue Dec 1 06:06:24 EST 1998 Article: 15111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 From: rheart@wave.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: does anyone have plans for hand honey extactor Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:50:59 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365ba897.674531@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-564.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.326 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15111 From l650709@top2.ficnet.net.tw Tue Dec 1 06:06:38 EST 1998 Article: 15106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!news.ficnet.net.tw!not-for-mail From: "12345" Newsgroups: alabama.birmingham.general,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.releases,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,tw.bbs.literal.mystery,tw.bbs.rec.videogame,tw.bbs.rec.weapon,tw.bbs.sci.history,tw.bbs.sci.math,tw.bbs.sci.mechanics,tw.bbs.soc.birds,tw.infotimes.price Subject: =?big5?B?UmU6IKbbr7KuTanQoUM=?= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 03:15:00 +0800 Organization: FICNET Internet News Lines: 71 Message-ID: <73mh8h$r0l$1@news.ficnet.net.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2po50.ht.ficnet.net.tw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0137_01BE18EA.F3D21D40" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.video.desktop:102318 rec.video.releases:28543 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15106 tw.bbs.literal.mystery:19 tw.bbs.sci.mechanics:50 tw.bbs.soc.birds:76 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0137_01BE18EA.F3D21D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =A6a=C2I=A6b=A5x=A5_=BF=A4=BE=F0=AAL=C2=ED=A4=A4=B5=D8=B8=F4=A4W=A1A = =AA=F1=B6l=A7=BD=A1A=BE=C7=AE=D5=A1A=A5=AB=B3=F5=A1A=A5=FE=B7s=B8=CB=E6C =A6=B3=A7=B9=B5=BD=BA=DE=B2z=A1A=A8=CF=A5=CE=A4Q=A4=BB=A9W=A6h=A1C =20 = =AF=B2=AA=F7=A1G=A4K=A5a=A4G=A1A=A9=E3=AA=F7=A8=E2=AD=D3=A4=EB=A1A=AD=AD=A4= k=A9=CA=A1A =20 =A9=CE=A4=D2=A9d=A1A=BE=C7=A5=CD=A4]=A5i=A5H=A1C =20 =B7N=AC=A2=A1G0936221734=A1A26845151 =BCB=A5=FD=A5=CD 24h=A5i=A8=D3=B9q ------=_NextPart_000_0137_01BE18EA.F3D21D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0137_01BE18EA.F3D21D40-- From carmcarb@tin.it Tue Dec 1 06:06:58 EST 1998 Article: 15112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news1.mtl.metronet.ca!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "Carmela Carbonaro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RED SICILIANS ORANGES. Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:50:14 +0100 Organization: TIN Lines: 37 Message-ID: <73hn36$5s5$1@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-ct7-56.tin.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE18B5.3351D220" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15112 Messaggio a pił sezioni in formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE18B5.3351D220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I SELL RED SICILIANS ORANGES. LOOK AT: http://space.tin.it/economia/carcarb/=20 e-mail: carmcarb@tin.it=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE18B5.3351D220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE18B5.3351D220-- From phempel@blossomland.com Tue Dec 1 06:07:06 EST 1998 Article: 15113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:25:41 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 15 Message-ID: <73hp4f$3b6$1@usenet49.supernews.com> References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912025551 OWV4KGLQPD 2BD1AC usenet49.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15113 Check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com for the Gettum' Gone Spray. Or call 800.637.5262. Works on all insects especially yellow jackets and hornets. Spray the entry areas in the evening and by the next night they are all dead. The insects themselves track in the poison and contaminate the brood area. Works great and one can will do over two nests easily. Philip M Hempel beeyard@blossomland.com > From phempel@blossomland.com Tue Dec 1 06:07:17 EST 1998 Article: 15119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <365D6F46.D7A8E486@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272882 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15119 Check out the product Gettum Gone for yellow jacket and wasp problems. Just spray the entry area of the hive from 12 feet away or less (in building, trees, bushes or in ground) the residual chemical is tracked into the brood chamber by the workers coming and going from the entrance. Within 24 - 36 hours the brood and yellow jackets/wasp are all dead. Works great! Find this at www.blossomland.com online with over 1000+ items to securely order from your computer. Or call 800-637-5262. From lithar@midwest.net Tue Dec 1 06:07:30 EST 1998 Article: 15104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Whats going on in there.. Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:11:40 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 18 Message-ID: <365E5EBC.6E5@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912147313 .ZFUVYH4M1C26D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15104 Since the bees have closed up shop for the winter I've been wondering how things are going inside the hive. General wisdom seems to indicate the hive should be left alone during this time - but its been so quiet I had to know if there were many bees left in there. So I bought a stethoscope and discovered I can not only hear a bunch of bees but can locate the areas of heaviest activity within the hive. The sound quality is so good I had to remove the stethoscope to be sure a guard bee hadn't come out to check me out. After reading a post about a fellow who experienced a honeybee in the ear I had a greater appreciation for how that must have sounded. Anyway, the point is if you have not tried eavesdropping with a stethoscope I'd sure recommend giving it a try - can't say I learned much but had a good time. AL From kj@jaf.nildram.NOSPAMco.uk Tue Dec 1 06:07:42 EST 1998 Article: 15105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildram.NOSPAMco.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whats going on in there.. Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:38:14 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <365e8885.1426539@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <365E5EBC.6E5@midwest.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp46-3.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 27 Nov 1998 12:35:52 GMT, ppp46-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 28 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!amsterdam1-snf1!news.gtei.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp46-3.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15105 On Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:11:40 -0800, AL wrote: >Since the bees have closed up shop for the winter I've been wondering >how things are going inside the hive. General wisdom seems to indicate >the hive should be left alone during this time - but its been so quiet I >had to know if there were many bees left in there. So I bought a >stethoscope and discovered I can not only hear a bunch of bees but can >locate the areas of heaviest activity within the hive. The sound quality >is so good I had to remove the stethoscope to be sure a guard bee hadn't >come out to check me out. After reading a post about a fellow who >experienced a honeybee in the ear I had a greater appreciation for how >that must have sounded. > > >Anyway, the point is if you have not tried eavesdropping with a >stethoscope I'd sure recommend giving it a try - can't say I learned >much but had a good time. > > I wonder why I never thought of that, I've got a stethoscope? Your 'dilemma' is a good reason for a glass inner cover, which I use, with old newspapers on top of it, for added insulation, at this time of year. A quick peep in doesn't do any harm... -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk From behomet@home.com Tue Dec 1 06:07:52 EST 1998 Article: 15107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Behomet" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Keeping Supplies in Sarasota Florida Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 21:00:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.77.250 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:00:28 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15107 Hi, I used to keep bees when I was living in NJ about 10 years ago. I live in Florida now and I am thinking of starting 2 or 3 hives again. I was wondering if any know of a place to get supplies and bees in the Sarasota, FL area? Thanx for the help, Behomet From ssbtractor@aol.com Tue Dec 1 06:07:59 EST 1998 Article: 15108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ssbtractor@aol.com (SSBTractor) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tractor Club at Yahoo! Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Nov 1998 23:49:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981127184954.01921.00001546@ng15.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15108 We are pleased to announce that we are starting a new tractor club at Yahoo! for a general discussion on all things related to the tractor and agricultural fields. This is an area that has too few resources devoted to it on the Internet and we hope that by providing a place for owners, collectors, and those that work with and depend on tractors a place to share opinions, advice, and ask and answer questions that it would be beneficial to the tractor community as a whole. So feel free to stop on by to our site at Yahoo! Clubs and sign up to join in what is sure to be a useful discussion. You can visit us through the Yahoo! Clubs section by going to the Tractor Forum, or directly at the link below: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tractorforum From chucklaser@aol.com Tue Dec 1 06:08:09 EST 1998 Article: 15109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 02:49:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15109 We live in the midwest on the Iowa and Illinois border. I have one great looking hive, which was a fresh split this spring and the original hive which seems to be out of honey already, but chock full of bees. When installing the apistan strips, I noticed it was a little low, but when I removed them, all obvious signs of honey were gone. The hive was quite light weight. I suspect this was because I used a Queen excluder and it filled up with brood. We have had exceptionally warm weather, highs in the mid 60's this month..way too warm. I installed a division feeder full of their honey in hopes they would store it in the comb while the weather holds. I wish I had some full frames to give them, but I don't. I also don't want to screw up the other really good hive by combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? Chuck From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Dec 1 06:08:19 EST 1998 Article: 15110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 03:04:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981127220429.18083.00001654@ng114.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15110 >y >combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? >Chuck > > > Three words.... FEED, FEED, FEED !!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rheart@wave.co.nz Tue Dec 1 06:08:28 EST 1998 Article: 15114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: rheart@wave.co.nz (kev) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:31:17 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-521.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15114 has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From rheart@wave.co.nz Tue Dec 1 06:08:33 EST 1998 Article: 15114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: rheart@wave.co.nz (kev) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:31:17 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-521.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15114 has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From phempel@blossomland.com Tue Dec 1 06:08:44 EST 1998 Article: 15115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: honey extracters Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272572 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15115 Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. Check it out I think you will like it. kev wrote in message <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com>... >has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From phempel@blossomland.com Tue Dec 1 06:08:49 EST 1998 Article: 15115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: honey extracters Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272572 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15115 Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. Check it out I think you will like it. kev wrote in message <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com>... >has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From lithar@midwest.net Tue Dec 1 06:08:58 EST 1998 Article: 15117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:17:01 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3660765D.49AB@midwest.net> References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912284429 .ZFUVYH4M1CB D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15117 Philip M. Hempel wrote: > > Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own > extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the > beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. A couple of locations for freebee do-it-yourself plans and ideas: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html http://www.concordnc.com/tohill/bees/beeinfo.htm The Birkey site has the extractor plans. AL From na@na.com.au Tue Dec 1 06:09:14 EST 1998 Article: 15123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: Samovar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives for sale in sydney Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:57:50 +1100 Organization: Vlast Industries Lines: 5 Message-ID: <365FD72E.3865@na.com.au> Reply-To: na@na.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: p60-nas4.syd.ihug.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15123 2 beehives for sale in lidcombe area of sydney. $100 each, negotiable. Also extra racks free with hives. Hives are full of 2 seasons of honey. Please email : samovar@tig.com.au From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Tue Dec 1 06:09:43 EST 1998 Article: 15122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: immersion heaters Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:48:03 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.210 Message-ID: <365896a9.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.210 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15122 Might anyone know how long it would take to heat a 55 gal drum of liquid with an immersion heater like the kind that Mann Lake offers at $55.95 (page#17,item HD-335)? thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com {remove the q's to respond personally....NO_SPAM} From phempel@blossomland.com Tue Dec 1 06:09:53 EST 1998 Article: 15116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for beeswax to buy Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:18:42 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 14 Message-ID: <73pb9k$rbm$1@usenet41.supernews.com> References: <710nln$ls0$1@sparky.wolfe.net> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912273524 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet41.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15116 For beeswax both refined and not refined check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com. Beeswax and and much more found here. Order online or call 800.637.5262. >Sara and Tom Moore >Rustic Charm Candle Company >Mill Creek, Washington >tnsmoore@wolfenet.com > > > > From phempel@blossomland.com Tue Dec 1 06:10:04 EST 1998 Article: 15120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee Questions Continued Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:30:57 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 19 Message-ID: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912274205 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15120 Question Asked was: 1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just a luxury item? Answer: Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Dec 1 06:10:17 EST 1998 Article: 15126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Nov 1998 14:01:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Message-ID: <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15126 >Question Asked was: >1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. >Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is >it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get >started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just >a luxury item? > >Answer: >Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A >starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and >comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a >folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely >up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to >all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work >the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not >then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. > oH COME NOW please I 've been in the biz for bout 4 yrs now, with mentors that are in their 80's keeping bees for about 70 of those years. I cant see forking out 100+ bucks for a suit, couldn't afford it either. try this: ...... brushy mountain bee farm 1-800-beeswax Beginners kit 125.00 < veil,hat box,frames bottom ,tops, covers,feeder, hive tool, smoker etc.....> one more hive body to serve as your first years super( all this gets your bees through their first winter) 30.00 w/ frames and foundation. wear a pair of light colored jogging pants over your jeans, be sure to wear socks and shoes. Wear a long sleeved shirt buttoned, with white tee shirt over it, tie your veil tightly under the shirt collar just like a mans tie. I'm assuming almost everyone has the pants and shirt etc.... Ok so there you are in the bee biz. 125.00 30.00 35.00 for a 3 lb pkg of bees w/queen --------- 190.00 actual physical start up cost Hopefully beekeepers in your area will sell you enough meds for a single hive if not, you mail me and i'll see what i can do !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Tue Dec 1 06:10:39 EST 1998 Article: 15118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:04:16 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 Lines: 26 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.59.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15118 11.28 Latest line of Bee Pest Control BS with the help of the Steve Buchmann of the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a friend to help get more public funding. How easy it is to stomp on a flat cat, but how those cats do recover! Remember those famous lies, will add one more. "I am here from the Carl Hayen Honey Bee Research Center and I am here to help you beekeepers." Yeah you bet, and so is Dr. Death! You can find the full story at http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Chow, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com Left Coast, Republic of America ICBM Target Info removed for security reasons (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Dec 1 06:10:47 EST 1998 Article: 15125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Nov 1998 13:47:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> Message-ID: <19981129084749.10541.00001939@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15125 >rl Hayden Bee Research >Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the >Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of >pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to >suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's >on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a >friend to help get more public funding. > >How easy it is to stomp on a flat cat, but how those cats do recover! >Remember those famous lies, will add one more. "I am here from the >Carl Hayen Honey Bee Research Center and I am here to help you >beekeep STONE THE BASTARD !!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Tue Dec 1 06:10:58 EST 1998 Article: 15127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:49:28 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 29 Nov 1998 14:47:33 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Nov 29 06:55:06 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 29 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp284.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <366659d3.47907838@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15127 andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > 11.28 Latest line of Bee Pest Control BS with the >help of the Steve Buchmann of the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research >Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the >Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of >pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to >suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's >on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a >friend to help get more public funding. > We may not like what we read, but I appreciate that our USDA scientists give their honest opinions and present objective research results. We risk tainting scientific research if future funding is influenced by whether they get "politically correct" results. It is appropriate to influence the kinds of research that use public funding so that it addresses the right problems, but we should expect nothing less than unbiased conclusions (even if it hurts sometimes). In general, I think the USDA is doing a great job for beekeepers with mite control and in other applied research areas. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From adamf@vt.edu Tue Dec 1 06:11:08 EST 1998 Article: 15130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: 30 Nov 1998 18:39:29 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <73uop1$n1r$1@golux.radix.net> References: <366659d3.47907838@news.earthlink.net> <19981130154629.08477.00000411@ng-ch1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port27.annex4.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15130 In article <19981130154629.08477.00000411@ng-ch1.aol.com>, >Spending time in a research lab and time in the field doing work are two >entirely different things as you are well aware. The numbers though which are >combined to form research are out of the most controlled situations which are >made available, however there are numerous factors which can vary which could >ultimatly effect the outcome of research (weather being a VERY important one). > >Whatever the results of research, we should always be aware that these are only >one group or individuals results. I have done numerous research projects where >the results have contradicted what the "mainstream" is reporting. Even though >this can be attributed to several factors, the fact remains the same that >results can vary from experiment to experiment even when conducted identically >in the same institution under the same procedure and guidelines. Hummmm. Then I'd say that you've got some problems somewhere. When one designs a research program one doesn't want to have biased results--that would not be significant and this is why one employs experimental designs and utilizes statistics to minimize the biases--or variability. Since the more variability one has in research the further >from the truth one is-- Although researchers can design excellent experiments, and do great statistics on them, they can also be absolutely clueless about how the research subjects act in the real world--I think this is what happens more in research than the data manipulation you were describing. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf From ccjm@connectnet.com Tue Dec 1 06:11:19 EST 1998 Article: 15124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.110.0.61!news.connectnet.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <366107F3.D7061789@connectnet.com> From: cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough X-Sender: "cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough" <@smtp.connectnet.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:38:11 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.251.151.195 X-Trace: news.connectnet.com 912324947 206.251.151.195 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15124 I recently moved to a new home with plenty of land for beekeeping. I want to start a couple of hives this spring and was wondering what time of year would be the best. I'm in eastern San Diego, any advice from local beekeepers will be greatly appreciated. Jack McCullough ccjm@connectnet.com From urrw@skynet.be Tue Dec 1 06:11:28 EST 1998 Article: 15128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "Emmanuel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protection of the wood of the hives Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:24:54 +0100 Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Lines: 13 Message-ID: <73sees$e8g$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup173.wavre.skynet.be X-Trace: news1.skynet.be 912375068 14608 195.238.10.173 (29 Nov 1998 21:31:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Nov 1998 21:31:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15128 Hello with all! For the people using the impregnation with microcrystalline wax for the protection of the hives, exist a means of colouring wood? Which product is necessary to use? Which is the procedure to be followed? Does somebody have experience in the field? Thank you in advance for the answer. In a friendly way. Emmanuel HAUBRUGE Belgium urrw@skynet.be From beeman@kingston.net Tue Dec 1 06:11:37 EST 1998 Article: 15129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weather Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:10:16 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 12 Message-ID: <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912391510 VRL06/YYI3462CDD2C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15129 Hi All, Has anyone else been experiencing warmer then usual temperatures? I live in Southeastern Ontario Canada and it was 10 C (50 f) on Saturday. The last few days have been nice. Today was cloudy and cool, but not typical end of November weather. The bees were flying around the hive looking for something to do. If the winter is starting this mild what will the end of the winter be like? I hope there is no freezing rain. The ice storm we had last year was certainly something I can live without!! Good luck. Kent Stienburg From ccjm@connectnet.com Wed Dec 2 06:24:53 EST 1998 Article: 15124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.110.0.61!news.connectnet.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <366107F3.D7061789@connectnet.com> From: cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough X-Sender: "cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough" <@smtp.connectnet.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:38:11 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.251.151.195 X-Trace: news.connectnet.com 912324947 206.251.151.195 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15124 I recently moved to a new home with plenty of land for beekeeping. I want to start a couple of hives this spring and was wondering what time of year would be the best. I'm in eastern San Diego, any advice from local beekeepers will be greatly appreciated. Jack McCullough ccjm@connectnet.com From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Wed Dec 2 06:25:56 EST 1998 Article: 15122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: immersion heaters Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:48:03 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.210 Message-ID: <365896a9.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.210 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15122 Might anyone know how long it would take to heat a 55 gal drum of liquid with an immersion heater like the kind that Mann Lake offers at $55.95 (page#17,item HD-335)? thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com {remove the q's to respond personally....NO_SPAM} From rheart@wave.co.nz Wed Dec 2 06:25:57 EST 1998 Article: 15111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 From: rheart@wave.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: does anyone have plans for hand honey extactor Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:50:59 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365ba897.674531@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-564.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.326 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15111 From carmcarb@tin.it Wed Dec 2 06:25:57 EST 1998 Article: 15112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news1.mtl.metronet.ca!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "Carmela Carbonaro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RED SICILIANS ORANGES. 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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE18B5.3351D220-- From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:25:58 EST 1998 Article: 15113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:25:41 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 15 Message-ID: <73hp4f$3b6$1@usenet49.supernews.com> References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912025551 OWV4KGLQPD 2BD1AC usenet49.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15113 Check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com for the Gettum' Gone Spray. Or call 800.637.5262. Works on all insects especially yellow jackets and hornets. Spray the entry areas in the evening and by the next night they are all dead. The insects themselves track in the poison and contaminate the brood area. Works great and one can will do over two nests easily. Philip M Hempel beeyard@blossomland.com > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:25:58 EST 1998 Article: 15119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <365D6F46.D7A8E486@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272882 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15119 Check out the product Gettum Gone for yellow jacket and wasp problems. Just spray the entry area of the hive from 12 feet away or less (in building, trees, bushes or in ground) the residual chemical is tracked into the brood chamber by the workers coming and going from the entrance. Within 24 - 36 hours the brood and yellow jackets/wasp are all dead. Works great! Find this at www.blossomland.com online with over 1000+ items to securely order from your computer. Or call 800-637-5262. From chucklaser@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:25:59 EST 1998 Article: 15109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 02:49:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15109 We live in the midwest on the Iowa and Illinois border. I have one great looking hive, which was a fresh split this spring and the original hive which seems to be out of honey already, but chock full of bees. When installing the apistan strips, I noticed it was a little low, but when I removed them, all obvious signs of honey were gone. The hive was quite light weight. I suspect this was because I used a Queen excluder and it filled up with brood. We have had exceptionally warm weather, highs in the mid 60's this month..way too warm. I installed a division feeder full of their honey in hopes they would store it in the comb while the weather holds. I wish I had some full frames to give them, but I don't. I also don't want to screw up the other really good hive by combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? Chuck From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:25:59 EST 1998 Article: 15110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 03:04:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981127220429.18083.00001654@ng114.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15110 >y >combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? >Chuck > > > Three words.... FEED, FEED, FEED !!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rheart@wave.co.nz Wed Dec 2 06:26:00 EST 1998 Article: 15114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: rheart@wave.co.nz (kev) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:31:17 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-521.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15114 has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:01 EST 1998 Article: 15115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: honey extracters Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272572 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15115 Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. Check it out I think you will like it. kev wrote in message <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com>... >has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From lithar@midwest.net Wed Dec 2 06:26:01 EST 1998 Article: 15117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:17:01 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3660765D.49AB@midwest.net> References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912284429 .ZFUVYH4M1CB D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15117 Philip M. Hempel wrote: > > Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own > extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the > beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. A couple of locations for freebee do-it-yourself plans and ideas: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html http://www.concordnc.com/tohill/bees/beeinfo.htm The Birkey site has the extractor plans. AL From na@na.com.au Wed Dec 2 06:26:02 EST 1998 Article: 15123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: Samovar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives for sale in sydney Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:57:50 +1100 Organization: Vlast Industries Lines: 5 Message-ID: <365FD72E.3865@na.com.au> Reply-To: na@na.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: p60-nas4.syd.ihug.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15123 2 beehives for sale in lidcombe area of sydney. $100 each, negotiable. Also extra racks free with hives. Hives are full of 2 seasons of honey. Please email : samovar@tig.com.au From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:02 EST 1998 Article: 15121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Labels Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:13:16 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 17 Message-ID: <73pavj$riv$1@usenet46.supernews.com> References: <4w8%1.421$CM.2615@newsfeed.slurp.net> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912273203 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet46.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15121 If you want to have preprinted labels call R & M Farms in Michigan at 313.722.7727. Self sticking good quality labels. Will print small batches of 1000 and has many preprinted speciality lables to help sell your honey. If you want to just use a generic lable check out the lables at www.blossomland.com Three sizes to fit your container needs. Michael Scott Meiners wrote in message <4w8%1.421$CM.2615@newsfeed.slurp.net>... >I've finaly run out of honey jar labels which my dad bought in bulk back in >the 80's. I'm looking to but some more but I can not find anybody that >sells them. Any suggestions on where to look? Thanks, >-Mike > > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:03 EST 1998 Article: 15116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for beeswax to buy Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:18:42 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 14 Message-ID: <73pb9k$rbm$1@usenet41.supernews.com> References: <710nln$ls0$1@sparky.wolfe.net> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912273524 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet41.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15116 For beeswax both refined and not refined check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com. Beeswax and and much more found here. Order online or call 800.637.5262. >Sara and Tom Moore >Rustic Charm Candle Company >Mill Creek, Washington >tnsmoore@wolfenet.com > > > > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:03 EST 1998 Article: 15120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee Questions Continued Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:30:57 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 19 Message-ID: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912274205 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15120 Question Asked was: 1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just a luxury item? Answer: Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:04 EST 1998 Article: 15126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Nov 1998 14:01:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Message-ID: <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15126 >Question Asked was: >1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. >Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is >it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get >started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just >a luxury item? > >Answer: >Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A >starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and >comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a >folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely >up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to >all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work >the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not >then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. > oH COME NOW please I 've been in the biz for bout 4 yrs now, with mentors that are in their 80's keeping bees for about 70 of those years. I cant see forking out 100+ bucks for a suit, couldn't afford it either. try this: ...... brushy mountain bee farm 1-800-beeswax Beginners kit 125.00 < veil,hat box,frames bottom ,tops, covers,feeder, hive tool, smoker etc.....> one more hive body to serve as your first years super( all this gets your bees through their first winter) 30.00 w/ frames and foundation. wear a pair of light colored jogging pants over your jeans, be sure to wear socks and shoes. Wear a long sleeved shirt buttoned, with white tee shirt over it, tie your veil tightly under the shirt collar just like a mans tie. I'm assuming almost everyone has the pants and shirt etc.... Ok so there you are in the bee biz. 125.00 30.00 35.00 for a 3 lb pkg of bees w/queen --------- 190.00 actual physical start up cost Hopefully beekeepers in your area will sell you enough meds for a single hive if not, you mail me and i'll see what i can do !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Wed Dec 2 06:26:04 EST 1998 Article: 15118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:04:16 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 Lines: 26 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.59.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15118 11.28 Latest line of Bee Pest Control BS with the help of the Steve Buchmann of the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a friend to help get more public funding. How easy it is to stomp on a flat cat, but how those cats do recover! Remember those famous lies, will add one more. "I am here from the Carl Hayen Honey Bee Research Center and I am here to help you beekeepers." Yeah you bet, and so is Dr. Death! You can find the full story at http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Chow, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com Left Coast, Republic of America ICBM Target Info removed for security reasons (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:05 EST 1998 Article: 15125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Nov 1998 13:47:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> Message-ID: <19981129084749.10541.00001939@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15125 >rl Hayden Bee Research >Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the >Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of >pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to >suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's >on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a >friend to help get more public funding. > >How easy it is to stomp on a flat cat, but how those cats do recover! >Remember those famous lies, will add one more. "I am here from the >Carl Hayen Honey Bee Research Center and I am here to help you >beekeep STONE THE BASTARD !!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Wed Dec 2 06:26:06 EST 1998 Article: 15127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:49:28 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 29 Nov 1998 14:47:33 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Nov 29 06:55:06 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 29 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp284.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <366659d3.47907838@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15127 andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > 11.28 Latest line of Bee Pest Control BS with the >help of the Steve Buchmann of the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research >Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the >Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of >pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to >suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's >on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a >friend to help get more public funding. > We may not like what we read, but I appreciate that our USDA scientists give their honest opinions and present objective research results. We risk tainting scientific research if future funding is influenced by whether they get "politically correct" results. It is appropriate to influence the kinds of research that use public funding so that it addresses the right problems, but we should expect nothing less than unbiased conclusions (even if it hurts sometimes). In general, I think the USDA is doing a great job for beekeepers with mite control and in other applied research areas. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From adamf@vt.edu Wed Dec 2 06:26:06 EST 1998 Article: 15130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: 30 Nov 1998 18:39:29 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <73uop1$n1r$1@golux.radix.net> References: <366659d3.47907838@news.earthlink.net> <19981130154629.08477.00000411@ng-ch1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port27.annex4.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15130 In article <19981130154629.08477.00000411@ng-ch1.aol.com>, >Spending time in a research lab and time in the field doing work are two >entirely different things as you are well aware. The numbers though which are >combined to form research are out of the most controlled situations which are >made available, however there are numerous factors which can vary which could >ultimatly effect the outcome of research (weather being a VERY important one). > >Whatever the results of research, we should always be aware that these are only >one group or individuals results. I have done numerous research projects where >the results have contradicted what the "mainstream" is reporting. Even though >this can be attributed to several factors, the fact remains the same that >results can vary from experiment to experiment even when conducted identically >in the same institution under the same procedure and guidelines. Hummmm. Then I'd say that you've got some problems somewhere. When one designs a research program one doesn't want to have biased results--that would not be significant and this is why one employs experimental designs and utilizes statistics to minimize the biases--or variability. Since the more variability one has in research the further >from the truth one is-- Although researchers can design excellent experiments, and do great statistics on them, they can also be absolutely clueless about how the research subjects act in the real world--I think this is what happens more in research than the data manipulation you were describing. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf From ccjm@connectnet.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:07 EST 1998 Article: 15124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.110.0.61!news.connectnet.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <366107F3.D7061789@connectnet.com> From: cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough X-Sender: "cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough" <@smtp.connectnet.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:38:11 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.251.151.195 X-Trace: news.connectnet.com 912324947 206.251.151.195 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15124 I recently moved to a new home with plenty of land for beekeeping. I want to start a couple of hives this spring and was wondering what time of year would be the best. I'm in eastern San Diego, any advice from local beekeepers will be greatly appreciated. Jack McCullough ccjm@connectnet.com From urrw@skynet.be Wed Dec 2 06:26:07 EST 1998 Article: 15128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "Emmanuel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protection of the wood of the hives Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:24:54 +0100 Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Lines: 13 Message-ID: <73sees$e8g$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup173.wavre.skynet.be X-Trace: news1.skynet.be 912375068 14608 195.238.10.173 (29 Nov 1998 21:31:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Nov 1998 21:31:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15128 Hello with all! For the people using the impregnation with microcrystalline wax for the protection of the hives, exist a means of colouring wood? Which product is necessary to use? Which is the procedure to be followed? Does somebody have experience in the field? Thank you in advance for the answer. In a friendly way. Emmanuel HAUBRUGE Belgium urrw@skynet.be From beeman@kingston.net Wed Dec 2 06:26:08 EST 1998 Article: 15129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weather Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:10:16 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 12 Message-ID: <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912391510 VRL06/YYI3462CDD2C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15129 Hi All, Has anyone else been experiencing warmer then usual temperatures? I live in Southeastern Ontario Canada and it was 10 C (50 f) on Saturday. The last few days have been nice. Today was cloudy and cool, but not typical end of November weather. The bees were flying around the hive looking for something to do. If the winter is starting this mild what will the end of the winter be like? I hope there is no freezing rain. The ice storm we had last year was certainly something I can live without!! Good luck. Kent Stienburg From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:25 EST 1998 Article: 15122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: immersion heaters Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:48:03 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.210 Message-ID: <365896a9.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.210 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15122 Might anyone know how long it would take to heat a 55 gal drum of liquid with an immersion heater like the kind that Mann Lake offers at $55.95 (page#17,item HD-335)? thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com {remove the q's to respond personally....NO_SPAM} From rheart@wave.co.nz Wed Dec 2 06:26:26 EST 1998 Article: 15111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 From: rheart@wave.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: does anyone have plans for hand honey extactor Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:50:59 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365ba897.674531@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-564.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.326 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15111 From carmcarb@tin.it Wed Dec 2 06:26:26 EST 1998 Article: 15112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news1.mtl.metronet.ca!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "Carmela Carbonaro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RED SICILIANS ORANGES. 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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE18B5.3351D220-- From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:27 EST 1998 Article: 15113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:25:41 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 15 Message-ID: <73hp4f$3b6$1@usenet49.supernews.com> References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912025551 OWV4KGLQPD 2BD1AC usenet49.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15113 Check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com for the Gettum' Gone Spray. Or call 800.637.5262. Works on all insects especially yellow jackets and hornets. Spray the entry areas in the evening and by the next night they are all dead. The insects themselves track in the poison and contaminate the brood area. Works great and one can will do over two nests easily. Philip M Hempel beeyard@blossomland.com > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:27 EST 1998 Article: 15119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <365D6F46.D7A8E486@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272882 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15119 Check out the product Gettum Gone for yellow jacket and wasp problems. Just spray the entry area of the hive from 12 feet away or less (in building, trees, bushes or in ground) the residual chemical is tracked into the brood chamber by the workers coming and going from the entrance. Within 24 - 36 hours the brood and yellow jackets/wasp are all dead. Works great! Find this at www.blossomland.com online with over 1000+ items to securely order from your computer. Or call 800-637-5262. From chucklaser@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:28 EST 1998 Article: 15109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 02:49:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15109 We live in the midwest on the Iowa and Illinois border. I have one great looking hive, which was a fresh split this spring and the original hive which seems to be out of honey already, but chock full of bees. When installing the apistan strips, I noticed it was a little low, but when I removed them, all obvious signs of honey were gone. The hive was quite light weight. I suspect this was because I used a Queen excluder and it filled up with brood. We have had exceptionally warm weather, highs in the mid 60's this month..way too warm. I installed a division feeder full of their honey in hopes they would store it in the comb while the weather holds. I wish I had some full frames to give them, but I don't. I also don't want to screw up the other really good hive by combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? Chuck From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:29 EST 1998 Article: 15110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 03:04:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981127220429.18083.00001654@ng114.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15110 >y >combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? >Chuck > > > Three words.... FEED, FEED, FEED !!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rheart@wave.co.nz Wed Dec 2 06:26:29 EST 1998 Article: 15114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: rheart@wave.co.nz (kev) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:31:17 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-521.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15114 has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:30 EST 1998 Article: 15115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: honey extracters Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272572 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15115 Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. Check it out I think you will like it. kev wrote in message <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com>... >has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From lithar@midwest.net Wed Dec 2 06:26:31 EST 1998 Article: 15117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:17:01 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3660765D.49AB@midwest.net> References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912284429 .ZFUVYH4M1CB D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15117 Philip M. Hempel wrote: > > Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own > extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the > beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. A couple of locations for freebee do-it-yourself plans and ideas: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html http://www.concordnc.com/tohill/bees/beeinfo.htm The Birkey site has the extractor plans. AL From na@na.com.au Wed Dec 2 06:26:31 EST 1998 Article: 15123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: Samovar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives for sale in sydney Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:57:50 +1100 Organization: Vlast Industries Lines: 5 Message-ID: <365FD72E.3865@na.com.au> Reply-To: na@na.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: p60-nas4.syd.ihug.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15123 2 beehives for sale in lidcombe area of sydney. $100 each, negotiable. Also extra racks free with hives. Hives are full of 2 seasons of honey. Please email : samovar@tig.com.au From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:32 EST 1998 Article: 15121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Labels Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:13:16 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 17 Message-ID: <73pavj$riv$1@usenet46.supernews.com> References: <4w8%1.421$CM.2615@newsfeed.slurp.net> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912273203 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet46.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15121 If you want to have preprinted labels call R & M Farms in Michigan at 313.722.7727. Self sticking good quality labels. Will print small batches of 1000 and has many preprinted speciality lables to help sell your honey. If you want to just use a generic lable check out the lables at www.blossomland.com Three sizes to fit your container needs. Michael Scott Meiners wrote in message <4w8%1.421$CM.2615@newsfeed.slurp.net>... >I've finaly run out of honey jar labels which my dad bought in bulk back in >the 80's. I'm looking to but some more but I can not find anybody that >sells them. Any suggestions on where to look? Thanks, >-Mike > > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:32 EST 1998 Article: 15116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for beeswax to buy Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:18:42 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 14 Message-ID: <73pb9k$rbm$1@usenet41.supernews.com> References: <710nln$ls0$1@sparky.wolfe.net> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912273524 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet41.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15116 For beeswax both refined and not refined check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com. Beeswax and and much more found here. Order online or call 800.637.5262. >Sara and Tom Moore >Rustic Charm Candle Company >Mill Creek, Washington >tnsmoore@wolfenet.com > > > > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:33 EST 1998 Article: 15120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee Questions Continued Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:30:57 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 19 Message-ID: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912274205 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15120 Question Asked was: 1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just a luxury item? Answer: Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:33 EST 1998 Article: 15126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Nov 1998 14:01:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Message-ID: <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15126 >Question Asked was: >1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. >Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is >it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get >started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just >a luxury item? > >Answer: >Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A >starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and >comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a >folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely >up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to >all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work >the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not >then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. > oH COME NOW please I 've been in the biz for bout 4 yrs now, with mentors that are in their 80's keeping bees for about 70 of those years. I cant see forking out 100+ bucks for a suit, couldn't afford it either. try this: ...... brushy mountain bee farm 1-800-beeswax Beginners kit 125.00 < veil,hat box,frames bottom ,tops, covers,feeder, hive tool, smoker etc.....> one more hive body to serve as your first years super( all this gets your bees through their first winter) 30.00 w/ frames and foundation. wear a pair of light colored jogging pants over your jeans, be sure to wear socks and shoes. Wear a long sleeved shirt buttoned, with white tee shirt over it, tie your veil tightly under the shirt collar just like a mans tie. I'm assuming almost everyone has the pants and shirt etc.... Ok so there you are in the bee biz. 125.00 30.00 35.00 for a 3 lb pkg of bees w/queen --------- 190.00 actual physical start up cost Hopefully beekeepers in your area will sell you enough meds for a single hive if not, you mail me and i'll see what i can do !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Wed Dec 2 06:26:34 EST 1998 Article: 15118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:04:16 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 Lines: 26 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.59.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15118 11.28 Latest line of Bee Pest Control BS with the help of the Steve Buchmann of the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a friend to help get more public funding. How easy it is to stomp on a flat cat, but how those cats do recover! Remember those famous lies, will add one more. "I am here from the Carl Hayen Honey Bee Research Center and I am here to help you beekeepers." Yeah you bet, and so is Dr. Death! You can find the full story at http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Chow, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com Left Coast, Republic of America ICBM Target Info removed for security reasons (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:35 EST 1998 Article: 15125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Nov 1998 13:47:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> Message-ID: <19981129084749.10541.00001939@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15125 >rl Hayden Bee Research >Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the >Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of >pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to >suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's >on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a >friend to help get more public funding. > >How easy it is to stomp on a flat cat, but how those cats do recover! >Remember those famous lies, will add one more. "I am here from the >Carl Hayen Honey Bee Research Center and I am here to help you >beekeep STONE THE BASTARD !!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Wed Dec 2 06:26:35 EST 1998 Article: 15127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:49:28 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 29 Nov 1998 14:47:33 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Nov 29 06:55:06 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 29 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp284.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <366659d3.47907838@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15127 andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > 11.28 Latest line of Bee Pest Control BS with the >help of the Steve Buchmann of the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research >Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the >Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of >pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to >suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's >on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a >friend to help get more public funding. > We may not like what we read, but I appreciate that our USDA scientists give their honest opinions and present objective research results. We risk tainting scientific research if future funding is influenced by whether they get "politically correct" results. It is appropriate to influence the kinds of research that use public funding so that it addresses the right problems, but we should expect nothing less than unbiased conclusions (even if it hurts sometimes). In general, I think the USDA is doing a great job for beekeepers with mite control and in other applied research areas. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From adamf@vt.edu Wed Dec 2 06:26:36 EST 1998 Article: 15130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: 30 Nov 1998 18:39:29 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <73uop1$n1r$1@golux.radix.net> References: <366659d3.47907838@news.earthlink.net> <19981130154629.08477.00000411@ng-ch1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port27.annex4.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15130 In article <19981130154629.08477.00000411@ng-ch1.aol.com>, >Spending time in a research lab and time in the field doing work are two >entirely different things as you are well aware. The numbers though which are >combined to form research are out of the most controlled situations which are >made available, however there are numerous factors which can vary which could >ultimatly effect the outcome of research (weather being a VERY important one). > >Whatever the results of research, we should always be aware that these are only >one group or individuals results. I have done numerous research projects where >the results have contradicted what the "mainstream" is reporting. Even though >this can be attributed to several factors, the fact remains the same that >results can vary from experiment to experiment even when conducted identically >in the same institution under the same procedure and guidelines. Hummmm. Then I'd say that you've got some problems somewhere. When one designs a research program one doesn't want to have biased results--that would not be significant and this is why one employs experimental designs and utilizes statistics to minimize the biases--or variability. Since the more variability one has in research the further >from the truth one is-- Although researchers can design excellent experiments, and do great statistics on them, they can also be absolutely clueless about how the research subjects act in the real world--I think this is what happens more in research than the data manipulation you were describing. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf From ccjm@connectnet.com Wed Dec 2 06:26:36 EST 1998 Article: 15124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.110.0.61!news.connectnet.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <366107F3.D7061789@connectnet.com> From: cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough X-Sender: "cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough" <@smtp.connectnet.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:38:11 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.251.151.195 X-Trace: news.connectnet.com 912324947 206.251.151.195 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15124 I recently moved to a new home with plenty of land for beekeeping. I want to start a couple of hives this spring and was wondering what time of year would be the best. I'm in eastern San Diego, any advice from local beekeepers will be greatly appreciated. Jack McCullough ccjm@connectnet.com From urrw@skynet.be Wed Dec 2 06:26:37 EST 1998 Article: 15128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "Emmanuel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protection of the wood of the hives Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:24:54 +0100 Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Lines: 13 Message-ID: <73sees$e8g$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup173.wavre.skynet.be X-Trace: news1.skynet.be 912375068 14608 195.238.10.173 (29 Nov 1998 21:31:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Nov 1998 21:31:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15128 Hello with all! For the people using the impregnation with microcrystalline wax for the protection of the hives, exist a means of colouring wood? Which product is necessary to use? Which is the procedure to be followed? Does somebody have experience in the field? Thank you in advance for the answer. In a friendly way. Emmanuel HAUBRUGE Belgium urrw@skynet.be From beeman@kingston.net Wed Dec 2 06:26:37 EST 1998 Article: 15129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weather Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:10:16 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 12 Message-ID: <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912391510 VRL06/YYI3462CDD2C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15129 Hi All, Has anyone else been experiencing warmer then usual temperatures? I live in Southeastern Ontario Canada and it was 10 C (50 f) on Saturday. The last few days have been nice. Today was cloudy and cool, but not typical end of November weather. The bees were flying around the hive looking for something to do. If the winter is starting this mild what will the end of the winter be like? I hope there is no freezing rain. The ice storm we had last year was certainly something I can live without!! Good luck. Kent Stienburg From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:12 EST 1998 Article: 15122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: immersion heaters Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:48:03 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.210 Message-ID: <365896a9.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.210 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15122 Might anyone know how long it would take to heat a 55 gal drum of liquid with an immersion heater like the kind that Mann Lake offers at $55.95 (page#17,item HD-335)? thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com {remove the q's to respond personally....NO_SPAM} From rheart@wave.co.nz Wed Dec 2 06:34:13 EST 1998 Article: 15111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 From: rheart@wave.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: does anyone have plans for hand honey extactor Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:50:59 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365ba897.674531@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-564.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.326 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15111 From carmcarb@tin.it Wed Dec 2 06:34:14 EST 1998 Article: 15112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news1.mtl.metronet.ca!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "Carmela Carbonaro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RED SICILIANS ORANGES. 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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE18B5.3351D220-- From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:14 EST 1998 Article: 15113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:25:41 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 15 Message-ID: <73hp4f$3b6$1@usenet49.supernews.com> References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912025551 OWV4KGLQPD 2BD1AC usenet49.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15113 Check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com for the Gettum' Gone Spray. Or call 800.637.5262. Works on all insects especially yellow jackets and hornets. Spray the entry areas in the evening and by the next night they are all dead. The insects themselves track in the poison and contaminate the brood area. Works great and one can will do over two nests easily. Philip M Hempel beeyard@blossomland.com > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:15 EST 1998 Article: 15119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <365D6F46.D7A8E486@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272882 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15119 Check out the product Gettum Gone for yellow jacket and wasp problems. Just spray the entry area of the hive from 12 feet away or less (in building, trees, bushes or in ground) the residual chemical is tracked into the brood chamber by the workers coming and going from the entrance. Within 24 - 36 hours the brood and yellow jackets/wasp are all dead. Works great! Find this at www.blossomland.com online with over 1000+ items to securely order from your computer. Or call 800-637-5262. From chucklaser@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:15 EST 1998 Article: 15109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 02:49:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15109 We live in the midwest on the Iowa and Illinois border. I have one great looking hive, which was a fresh split this spring and the original hive which seems to be out of honey already, but chock full of bees. When installing the apistan strips, I noticed it was a little low, but when I removed them, all obvious signs of honey were gone. The hive was quite light weight. I suspect this was because I used a Queen excluder and it filled up with brood. We have had exceptionally warm weather, highs in the mid 60's this month..way too warm. I installed a division feeder full of their honey in hopes they would store it in the comb while the weather holds. I wish I had some full frames to give them, but I don't. I also don't want to screw up the other really good hive by combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? Chuck From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:16 EST 1998 Article: 15110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 03:04:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981127220429.18083.00001654@ng114.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15110 >y >combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? >Chuck > > > Three words.... FEED, FEED, FEED !!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rheart@wave.co.nz Wed Dec 2 06:34:16 EST 1998 Article: 15114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: rheart@wave.co.nz (kev) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:31:17 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-521.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15114 has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:17 EST 1998 Article: 15115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: honey extracters Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272572 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15115 Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. Check it out I think you will like it. kev wrote in message <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com>... >has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From lithar@midwest.net Wed Dec 2 06:34:17 EST 1998 Article: 15117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:17:01 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3660765D.49AB@midwest.net> References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912284429 .ZFUVYH4M1CB D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15117 Philip M. Hempel wrote: > > Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own > extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the > beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. A couple of locations for freebee do-it-yourself plans and ideas: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html http://www.concordnc.com/tohill/bees/beeinfo.htm The Birkey site has the extractor plans. AL From na@na.com.au Wed Dec 2 06:34:18 EST 1998 Article: 15123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: Samovar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives for sale in sydney Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:57:50 +1100 Organization: Vlast Industries Lines: 5 Message-ID: <365FD72E.3865@na.com.au> Reply-To: na@na.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: p60-nas4.syd.ihug.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15123 2 beehives for sale in lidcombe area of sydney. $100 each, negotiable. Also extra racks free with hives. Hives are full of 2 seasons of honey. Please email : samovar@tig.com.au From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:19 EST 1998 Article: 15121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Labels Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:13:16 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 17 Message-ID: <73pavj$riv$1@usenet46.supernews.com> References: <4w8%1.421$CM.2615@newsfeed.slurp.net> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912273203 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet46.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15121 If you want to have preprinted labels call R & M Farms in Michigan at 313.722.7727. Self sticking good quality labels. Will print small batches of 1000 and has many preprinted speciality lables to help sell your honey. If you want to just use a generic lable check out the lables at www.blossomland.com Three sizes to fit your container needs. Michael Scott Meiners wrote in message <4w8%1.421$CM.2615@newsfeed.slurp.net>... >I've finaly run out of honey jar labels which my dad bought in bulk back in >the 80's. I'm looking to but some more but I can not find anybody that >sells them. Any suggestions on where to look? Thanks, >-Mike > > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:19 EST 1998 Article: 15116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for beeswax to buy Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:18:42 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 14 Message-ID: <73pb9k$rbm$1@usenet41.supernews.com> References: <710nln$ls0$1@sparky.wolfe.net> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912273524 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet41.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15116 For beeswax both refined and not refined check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com. Beeswax and and much more found here. Order online or call 800.637.5262. >Sara and Tom Moore >Rustic Charm Candle Company >Mill Creek, Washington >tnsmoore@wolfenet.com > > > > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:20 EST 1998 Article: 15120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee Questions Continued Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:30:57 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 19 Message-ID: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912274205 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15120 Question Asked was: 1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just a luxury item? Answer: Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:20 EST 1998 Article: 15126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Nov 1998 14:01:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Message-ID: <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15126 >Question Asked was: >1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. >Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is >it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get >started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just >a luxury item? > >Answer: >Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A >starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and >comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a >folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely >up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to >all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work >the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not >then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. > oH COME NOW please I 've been in the biz for bout 4 yrs now, with mentors that are in their 80's keeping bees for about 70 of those years. I cant see forking out 100+ bucks for a suit, couldn't afford it either. try this: ...... brushy mountain bee farm 1-800-beeswax Beginners kit 125.00 < veil,hat box,frames bottom ,tops, covers,feeder, hive tool, smoker etc.....> one more hive body to serve as your first years super( all this gets your bees through their first winter) 30.00 w/ frames and foundation. wear a pair of light colored jogging pants over your jeans, be sure to wear socks and shoes. Wear a long sleeved shirt buttoned, with white tee shirt over it, tie your veil tightly under the shirt collar just like a mans tie. I'm assuming almost everyone has the pants and shirt etc.... Ok so there you are in the bee biz. 125.00 30.00 35.00 for a 3 lb pkg of bees w/queen --------- 190.00 actual physical start up cost Hopefully beekeepers in your area will sell you enough meds for a single hive if not, you mail me and i'll see what i can do !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:21 EST 1998 Article: 15131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Dec 1998 11:21:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3663A672.32E2@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19981201062147.29471.00000629@ng97.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15131 >E boxes? The Langstroth conversion might be Ok - dunno. > > >Kevin 'johnny reb' Johnson??? Where does that come from? Just curious. > >By the way Kevin, did you pick up that extractor from Brushy Mtn yet? > > >AL Personally i don't know where he gets the johnny reb part, But the Big Johnson Part I come by naturally see i just ain't the smallest fellow ya ever met. As for the extractor, I'm gonna use the previous one that i bought from Brushy for another year, would love the 9 frame but just can't quite come up wit the 350.00 this year Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Dec 2 06:34:21 EST 1998 Article: 15133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:09:24 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3664BD74.49CED19C@valley.net> References: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com> <36636727.3F580872@valley.net> <3663A672.32E2@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-118.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15133 AL wrote: > I've managed pretty well with Tyvec coveralls - about $9 - $10 per suit. > The version I have has a hood which makes an even better seal with the > veil. When I make casual inspections I don't bother with it but when I > take the boxes apart and pull the frames for a thorough look-see the > suit is a welcome layer of protection - allows me to ignore the bees and > take my time with the boxes. Rips can be patched with duct tape - one of > the greatest achievements of modern civilation. > > The DE boxes looked good but a bit proprietary - where else can you buy > DE boxes? The Langstroth conversion might be Ok - dunno. > as far as i know, you can only get the d.e. hives from david eyre at www.beeworks.com, which makes them pretty proprietary, i guess. probably the biggest negative about them is that the components, being square boxes, roofs, etc., are not interchangeable with standard langstroth hives. for someone with a lot of hives, that could be a problem. for a guy like me with 2 or 3 hives, they work great. the passive ventilation system really seems to work as advertised. > Kevin 'johnny reb' Johnson??? Where does that come from? Just curious. > oops. as a result of an email that he sent me some time ago in which he said i seemed ok, even though i was a yankee. bet kevin doesn't even remember it.. ;) > By the way Kevin, did you pick up that extractor from Brushy Mtn yet? > > AL if that's the 9 frame radial, kevin, you will love it. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:43 EST 1998 Article: 15122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: immersion heaters Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:48:03 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.210 Message-ID: <365896a9.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.210 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15122 Might anyone know how long it would take to heat a 55 gal drum of liquid with an immersion heater like the kind that Mann Lake offers at $55.95 (page#17,item HD-335)? thanks, steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com {remove the q's to respond personally....NO_SPAM} From rheart@wave.co.nz Wed Dec 2 06:34:44 EST 1998 Article: 15111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 From: rheart@wave.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: does anyone have plans for hand honey extactor Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:50:59 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365ba897.674531@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-564.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.326 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15111 From carmcarb@tin.it Wed Dec 2 06:34:44 EST 1998 Article: 15112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news1.mtl.metronet.ca!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "Carmela Carbonaro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RED SICILIANS ORANGES. 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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BE18B5.3351D220-- From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:45 EST 1998 Article: 15113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:25:41 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 15 Message-ID: <73hp4f$3b6$1@usenet49.supernews.com> References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912025551 OWV4KGLQPD 2BD1AC usenet49.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15113 Check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com for the Gettum' Gone Spray. Or call 800.637.5262. Works on all insects especially yellow jackets and hornets. Spray the entry areas in the evening and by the next night they are all dead. The insects themselves track in the poison and contaminate the brood area. Works great and one can will do over two nests easily. Philip M Hempel beeyard@blossomland.com > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:46 EST 1998 Article: 15119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <73e7g4$1pti$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <365D6F46.D7A8E486@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Problem with German yellowjackets in apt! Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272882 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:08:02 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15119 Check out the product Gettum Gone for yellow jacket and wasp problems. Just spray the entry area of the hive from 12 feet away or less (in building, trees, bushes or in ground) the residual chemical is tracked into the brood chamber by the workers coming and going from the entrance. Within 24 - 36 hours the brood and yellow jackets/wasp are all dead. Works great! Find this at www.blossomland.com online with over 1000+ items to securely order from your computer. Or call 800-637-5262. From chucklaser@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:46 EST 1998 Article: 15109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 02:49:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15109 We live in the midwest on the Iowa and Illinois border. I have one great looking hive, which was a fresh split this spring and the original hive which seems to be out of honey already, but chock full of bees. When installing the apistan strips, I noticed it was a little low, but when I removed them, all obvious signs of honey were gone. The hive was quite light weight. I suspect this was because I used a Queen excluder and it filled up with brood. We have had exceptionally warm weather, highs in the mid 60's this month..way too warm. I installed a division feeder full of their honey in hopes they would store it in the comb while the weather holds. I wish I had some full frames to give them, but I don't. I also don't want to screw up the other really good hive by combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? Chuck From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:47 EST 1998 Article: 15110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Too many bees and no honey. HELP Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Nov 1998 03:04:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981127214910.23453.00001677@ng17.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981127220429.18083.00001654@ng114.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15110 >y >combining or anything. Any neat tricks to solve this type of problem? >Chuck > > > Three words.... FEED, FEED, FEED !!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rheart@wave.co.nz Wed Dec 2 06:34:47 EST 1998 Article: 15114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: rheart@wave.co.nz (kev) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:31:17 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-521.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15114 has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:48 EST 1998 Article: 15115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news3.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: honey extracters Lines: 11 Organization: Blossomland Supply X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.13.63 X-Trace: news3.ispnews.com 912272572 209.172.13.63 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:02:52 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15115 Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. Check it out I think you will like it. kev wrote in message <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com>... >has anyone got a plan of a honey extracter From lithar@midwest.net Wed Dec 2 06:34:49 EST 1998 Article: 15117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey extracters Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:17:01 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3660765D.49AB@midwest.net> References: <365fb49b.6924897@news.newsguy.com> <01W72.324$Fr2.1251@news3.ispnews.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912284429 .ZFUVYH4M1CB D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15117 Philip M. Hempel wrote: > > Check the webstore at www.blossomland.com . Plans for building your own > extractor and beehive equipment and over 1000+ other items for and from the > beehive, can be purchased there safe and secure online. A couple of locations for freebee do-it-yourself plans and ideas: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html http://www.concordnc.com/tohill/bees/beeinfo.htm The Birkey site has the extractor plans. AL From na@na.com.au Wed Dec 2 06:34:49 EST 1998 Article: 15123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: Samovar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives for sale in sydney Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:57:50 +1100 Organization: Vlast Industries Lines: 5 Message-ID: <365FD72E.3865@na.com.au> Reply-To: na@na.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: p60-nas4.syd.ihug.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15123 2 beehives for sale in lidcombe area of sydney. $100 each, negotiable. Also extra racks free with hives. Hives are full of 2 seasons of honey. Please email : samovar@tig.com.au From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:50 EST 1998 Article: 15121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Labels Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:13:16 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 17 Message-ID: <73pavj$riv$1@usenet46.supernews.com> References: <4w8%1.421$CM.2615@newsfeed.slurp.net> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912273203 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet46.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15121 If you want to have preprinted labels call R & M Farms in Michigan at 313.722.7727. Self sticking good quality labels. Will print small batches of 1000 and has many preprinted speciality lables to help sell your honey. If you want to just use a generic lable check out the lables at www.blossomland.com Three sizes to fit your container needs. Michael Scott Meiners wrote in message <4w8%1.421$CM.2615@newsfeed.slurp.net>... >I've finaly run out of honey jar labels which my dad bought in bulk back in >the 80's. I'm looking to but some more but I can not find anybody that >sells them. Any suggestions on where to look? Thanks, >-Mike > > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:50 EST 1998 Article: 15116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for beeswax to buy Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:18:42 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 14 Message-ID: <73pb9k$rbm$1@usenet41.supernews.com> References: <710nln$ls0$1@sparky.wolfe.net> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912273524 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet41.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15116 For beeswax both refined and not refined check out the webstore at www.blossomland.com. Beeswax and and much more found here. Order online or call 800.637.5262. >Sara and Tom Moore >Rustic Charm Candle Company >Mill Creek, Washington >tnsmoore@wolfenet.com > > > > From phempel@blossomland.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:51 EST 1998 Article: 15120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee Questions Continued Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:30:57 -0500 Organization: Blossomland Supply Lines: 19 Message-ID: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Reply-To: "Philip M. Hempel" X-Trace: 912274205 OWV4KGLQPD 3FD1AC usenet43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15120 Question Asked was: 1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just a luxury item? Answer: Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:51 EST 1998 Article: 15126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Nov 1998 14:01:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> Message-ID: <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15126 >Question Asked was: >1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. >Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is >it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get >started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just >a luxury item? > >Answer: >Beekeeping like any activity can be as expensive as you can afford. A >starter kit from Blossomland Supply (www.blossomland.com) costs $129 and >comes with a Veil with a builtin hat. You could upgrade to a mesh hat and a >folding veil or a full suit with zipper veil. The choice here is entirely >up to your comfort level with the bees. I would recommend a full suit to >all who may not be sure though. I personally use a full suit when I work >the bees just to be sure that I am protected well if I need to be. If not >then no harm done to me!! I like that idea. > oH COME NOW please I 've been in the biz for bout 4 yrs now, with mentors that are in their 80's keeping bees for about 70 of those years. I cant see forking out 100+ bucks for a suit, couldn't afford it either. try this: ...... brushy mountain bee farm 1-800-beeswax Beginners kit 125.00 < veil,hat box,frames bottom ,tops, covers,feeder, hive tool, smoker etc.....> one more hive body to serve as your first years super( all this gets your bees through their first winter) 30.00 w/ frames and foundation. wear a pair of light colored jogging pants over your jeans, be sure to wear socks and shoes. Wear a long sleeved shirt buttoned, with white tee shirt over it, tie your veil tightly under the shirt collar just like a mans tie. I'm assuming almost everyone has the pants and shirt etc.... Ok so there you are in the bee biz. 125.00 30.00 35.00 for a 3 lb pkg of bees w/queen --------- 190.00 actual physical start up cost Hopefully beekeepers in your area will sell you enough meds for a single hive if not, you mail me and i'll see what i can do !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:52 EST 1998 Article: 15131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Dec 1998 11:21:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3663A672.32E2@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19981201062147.29471.00000629@ng97.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15131 >E boxes? The Langstroth conversion might be Ok - dunno. > > >Kevin 'johnny reb' Johnson??? Where does that come from? Just curious. > >By the way Kevin, did you pick up that extractor from Brushy Mtn yet? > > >AL Personally i don't know where he gets the johnny reb part, But the Big Johnson Part I come by naturally see i just ain't the smallest fellow ya ever met. As for the extractor, I'm gonna use the previous one that i bought from Brushy for another year, would love the 9 frame but just can't quite come up wit the 350.00 this year Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Dec 2 06:34:52 EST 1998 Article: 15133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:09:24 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3664BD74.49CED19C@valley.net> References: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com> <36636727.3F580872@valley.net> <3663A672.32E2@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-118.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15133 AL wrote: > I've managed pretty well with Tyvec coveralls - about $9 - $10 per suit. > The version I have has a hood which makes an even better seal with the > veil. When I make casual inspections I don't bother with it but when I > take the boxes apart and pull the frames for a thorough look-see the > suit is a welcome layer of protection - allows me to ignore the bees and > take my time with the boxes. Rips can be patched with duct tape - one of > the greatest achievements of modern civilation. > > The DE boxes looked good but a bit proprietary - where else can you buy > DE boxes? The Langstroth conversion might be Ok - dunno. > as far as i know, you can only get the d.e. hives from david eyre at www.beeworks.com, which makes them pretty proprietary, i guess. probably the biggest negative about them is that the components, being square boxes, roofs, etc., are not interchangeable with standard langstroth hives. for someone with a lot of hives, that could be a problem. for a guy like me with 2 or 3 hives, they work great. the passive ventilation system really seems to work as advertised. > Kevin 'johnny reb' Johnson??? Where does that come from? Just curious. > oops. as a result of an email that he sent me some time ago in which he said i seemed ok, even though i was a yankee. bet kevin doesn't even remember it.. ;) > By the way Kevin, did you pick up that extractor from Brushy Mtn yet? > > AL if that's the 9 frame radial, kevin, you will love it. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Wed Dec 2 06:34:53 EST 1998 Article: 15118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:04:16 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.45 Lines: 26 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.59.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15118 11.28 Latest line of Bee Pest Control BS with the help of the Steve Buchmann of the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a friend to help get more public funding. How easy it is to stomp on a flat cat, but how those cats do recover! Remember those famous lies, will add one more. "I am here from the Carl Hayen Honey Bee Research Center and I am here to help you beekeepers." Yeah you bet, and so is Dr. Death! You can find the full story at http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Chow, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com Left Coast, Republic of America ICBM Target Info removed for security reasons (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:53 EST 1998 Article: 15125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Nov 1998 13:47:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> Message-ID: <19981129084749.10541.00001939@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15125 >rl Hayden Bee Research >Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the >Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of >pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to >suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's >on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a >friend to help get more public funding. > >How easy it is to stomp on a flat cat, but how those cats do recover! >Remember those famous lies, will add one more. "I am here from the >Carl Hayen Honey Bee Research Center and I am here to help you >beekeep STONE THE BASTARD !!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Wed Dec 2 06:34:54 EST 1998 Article: 15127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:49:28 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 29 Nov 1998 14:47:33 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Nov 29 06:55:06 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 29 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp284.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <366659d3.47907838@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15127 andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > 11.28 Latest line of Bee Pest Control BS with the >help of the Steve Buchmann of the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research >Center. "Even if you exterminated every honeybee and all the >Africanized bees, we would not be out the window in terms of >pollination because of these native bees.'' "Pollination unlikely to >suffer from bee losses" never better said by any DUSTY and this one's >on our payroll. I for one will remember that next time they need a >friend to help get more public funding. > We may not like what we read, but I appreciate that our USDA scientists give their honest opinions and present objective research results. We risk tainting scientific research if future funding is influenced by whether they get "politically correct" results. It is appropriate to influence the kinds of research that use public funding so that it addresses the right problems, but we should expect nothing less than unbiased conclusions (even if it hurts sometimes). In general, I think the USDA is doing a great job for beekeepers with mite control and in other applied research areas. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From adamf@vt.edu Wed Dec 2 06:34:55 EST 1998 Article: 15130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: 30 Nov 1998 18:39:29 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <73uop1$n1r$1@golux.radix.net> References: <366659d3.47907838@news.earthlink.net> <19981130154629.08477.00000411@ng-ch1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port27.annex4.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15130 In article <19981130154629.08477.00000411@ng-ch1.aol.com>, >Spending time in a research lab and time in the field doing work are two >entirely different things as you are well aware. The numbers though which are >combined to form research are out of the most controlled situations which are >made available, however there are numerous factors which can vary which could >ultimatly effect the outcome of research (weather being a VERY important one). > >Whatever the results of research, we should always be aware that these are only >one group or individuals results. I have done numerous research projects where >the results have contradicted what the "mainstream" is reporting. Even though >this can be attributed to several factors, the fact remains the same that >results can vary from experiment to experiment even when conducted identically >in the same institution under the same procedure and guidelines. Hummmm. Then I'd say that you've got some problems somewhere. When one designs a research program one doesn't want to have biased results--that would not be significant and this is why one employs experimental designs and utilizes statistics to minimize the biases--or variability. Since the more variability one has in research the further >from the truth one is-- Although researchers can design excellent experiments, and do great statistics on them, they can also be absolutely clueless about how the research subjects act in the real world--I think this is what happens more in research than the data manipulation you were describing. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf From ccjm@connectnet.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:55 EST 1998 Article: 15124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.110.0.61!news.connectnet.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <366107F3.D7061789@connectnet.com> From: cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough X-Sender: "cathy cronkhite/Jack McCullough" <@smtp.connectnet.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:38:11 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.251.151.195 X-Trace: news.connectnet.com 912324947 206.251.151.195 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:47 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15124 I recently moved to a new home with plenty of land for beekeeping. I want to start a couple of hives this spring and was wondering what time of year would be the best. I'm in eastern San Diego, any advice from local beekeepers will be greatly appreciated. Jack McCullough ccjm@connectnet.com From urrw@skynet.be Wed Dec 2 06:34:56 EST 1998 Article: 15128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "Emmanuel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protection of the wood of the hives Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:24:54 +0100 Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Lines: 13 Message-ID: <73sees$e8g$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup173.wavre.skynet.be X-Trace: news1.skynet.be 912375068 14608 195.238.10.173 (29 Nov 1998 21:31:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Nov 1998 21:31:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15128 Hello with all! For the people using the impregnation with microcrystalline wax for the protection of the hives, exist a means of colouring wood? Which product is necessary to use? Which is the procedure to be followed? Does somebody have experience in the field? Thank you in advance for the answer. In a friendly way. Emmanuel HAUBRUGE Belgium urrw@skynet.be From beeman@kingston.net Wed Dec 2 06:34:56 EST 1998 Article: 15129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weather Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:10:16 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 12 Message-ID: <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912391510 VRL06/YYI3462CDD2C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15129 Hi All, Has anyone else been experiencing warmer then usual temperatures? I live in Southeastern Ontario Canada and it was 10 C (50 f) on Saturday. The last few days have been nice. Today was cloudy and cool, but not typical end of November weather. The bees were flying around the hive looking for something to do. If the winter is starting this mild what will the end of the winter be like? I hope there is no freezing rain. The ice storm we had last year was certainly something I can live without!! Good luck. Kent Stienburg From carlo.ballabio@digital.com Wed Dec 2 06:34:57 EST 1998 Article: 15132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!usenet From: "carlo ballabio" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Saint Ambrose patron of Beekeepers Date: 1 Dec 1998 15:20:10 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01be1d3d$4d5cf1e0$9f14c010@ballabio1.MLN.DEC.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: 16.192.20.159 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15132 As probably most of you know, Saint Ambrose is the patron of Beekeepers and candlemakers. I'm a member of a Beekeeper Association (APAM: Associazione Produttori Apistici Milano) based in Milan (Italy), the city where Saint Ambrose was bishop. Every year, we celebrate the 7th of December with a special event for milaneses beekeepers. I'm interested in having icon or image of Saint Ambrose. Does anyone have gif or bmp files (or similar) with Saint Ambrose image or does anyone sell icon with the same subject? Of course I need image of Saint Ambrose where he is drawn with a skep or with bees. Thanks a lot and Best Wishes for the next 7th of December carlo From Dr. Donut Wed Dec 2 08:35:39 EST 1998 Article: 15134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail From: Dr. Donut (lactoflavin@hotmail.com) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INVADED BY ANTS!!! <--- why is this in s.a.beekeeping? Date: 2 Dec 1998 06:59:03 -0600 Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/) Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3666394d.160610970@news1.newscene.com> References: <3664ED75.BD885DC4@tin.it> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15134 From mwachter@netreach.net Thu Dec 3 06:29:45 EST 1998 Article: 15135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tupelo in the NE? Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:05:38 -0500 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 8 Message-ID: <744ngp$ehu$1@tikehau.netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207023-228.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15135 Has anyone tried to grow Tupelo trees in the Mid-Atlantic area? If so, what have been the best planting conditions - soil, sun, etc? Thanks for your time Marc Wachter From kj@jaf.nildram.NOSPAMco.uk Thu Dec 3 06:29:45 EST 1998 Article: 15136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildram.NOSPAMco.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tupelo in the NE? Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:30:15 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <366754c9.979953@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <744ngp$ehu$1@tikehau.netreach.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-227.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 3 Dec 1998 10:27:29 GMT, ppp47-227.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-227.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15136 On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:05:38 -0500, "Marc W. Wachter" wrote: >Has anyone tried to grow Tupelo trees in the Mid-Atlantic area? If so, what >have been the best planting conditions - soil, sun, etc? Thanks for your >time > I fear there may not be enough soil in the mid atlantic area, for the roots to gain a hold. Unless you are considering hydroponics. > -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk try the quiz @.../quizform From urrw@skynet.be Fri Dec 4 07:02:35 EST 1998 Article: 15137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "Emmanuel HAUBRUGE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protection of the wood of the hives - NEW ATTEMPT Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:03:37 +0100 Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7475oo$isl$1@news0.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup25.wavre.skynet.be X-Trace: news0.skynet.be 912726616 19349 195.238.10.25 (3 Dec 1998 23:10:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 1998 23:10:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15137 Hi all! For the people using the impregnation with microcrystalline wax for the protection of the hives, exist a means of colouring wood? Which product is necessary to use? Which is the procedure to be followed? Does somebody have experience in the field? Thank you in advance for the answer. In a friendly way. Emmanuel HAUBRUGE Belgium urrw@skynet.be From mwachter@netreach.net Fri Dec 4 07:02:35 EST 1998 Article: 15138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee hive stand Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:40:52 -0500 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 10 Message-ID: <747e0h$5q8$1@tikehau.netreach.net> References: <747842$18aj$1@quince.news.easynet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207023-194.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15138 If you have access to the Internet - which I imagine you do...you may want to check out Omega instruments, they can send you a catalog of load sensing devices... we used them extensively at my alma mater (Bucknell University). I have actually been working on the same idea myself to remotely monitor the "gain" rate of hives in other areas. Good Luck! Marc Wachter From mwachter@netreach.net Fri Dec 4 07:02:36 EST 1998 Article: 15139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question on the D.E. Hives... Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:50:09 -0500 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 11 Message-ID: <747i4q$bfr$1@tikehau.netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207023-194.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15139 Has anyone purchased the D.E. Hives and been using them for more than a year? I would like to hear from you as to how they have been performing for you. Being an engineer, the justification as to why they work makes sense but I need to know from the bee biology side if they make sense - do they work? I am just getting started so everything is new and nothing familiar. Thanks for your time. Marc W. Wachter Bluebird Hill Apiaries From mwachter@netreach.net Fri Dec 4 07:02:37 EST 1998 Article: 15140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beelining box... Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:41:51 -0500 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 13 Message-ID: <747l87$fbq$1@tikehau.netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207023-194.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15140 I am looking for an antique bee-lining box - I saw one on Ebay a few months back and didn't follow up on it and now it's weighing heavy on my conscience. If any one happens to know where I can get one please let me know. If you don;t know what I'm talking about, it's a box roughly 6"x3"x2" and has two compartments one of which is covered with glass or some kind of transpartent material. Thanks in advance Marc From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Dec 4 07:02:37 EST 1998 Article: 15141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!134.139.1.31!csulb.edu!gatech!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:48:55 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 64 Message-ID: <36636727.3F580872@valley.net> References: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-110.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15141 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > oH COME NOW please > > I 've been in the biz for bout 4 yrs now, with mentors that are in their 80's > keeping bees for about 70 of those years. > I cant see forking out 100+ bucks for a suit, couldn't afford it either. > try this: ...... > > brushy mountain bee farm 1-800-beeswax > Beginners kit 125.00 < veil,hat box,frames bottom ,tops, covers,feeder, hive > tool, smoker etc.....> > one more hive body to serve as your first years super( all this gets your bees > through their first winter) 30.00 w/ frames and foundation. > wear a pair of light colored jogging pants over your jeans, be sure to wear > socks and shoes. > Wear a long sleeved shirt buttoned, with white tee shirt over it, tie your veil > tightly under the shirt collar just like a mans tie. > > I'm assuming almost everyone has the pants and shirt etc.... Ok so there you > are in the bee biz. > 125.00 > 30.00 > 35.00 for a 3 lb pkg of bees w/queen > --------- > 190.00 actual physical start up cost > > Hopefully beekeepers in your area will sell you enough meds for a single hive > if not, you mail me and i'll see what i can do !! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC greetings, on the one hand i agree with kevin 'johnny reb' johnson that a bee suit is probably overkill. on the other hand, i have one, use it regularly, and i'm glad i bought it. maybe in a couple of years i'll bag it, but as a newbie, it's given me an added feeling of safety. regarding supplementing a beginner's kit with an additional brood box, i wholeheartedly agree. in fact, i'll go kevin one better and recommend at least two extra boxes. i've started 3 hives in 2 years and all of them filled 2 deeps with brood and produced at least a medium super of honey in their first year. one of them filled 3 deep brood boxes and a super. i think it is a bit misleading that retailers sell these 'everything you need' starter kits without providing enough boxes. a strong colony under good conditions can really explode with bees, seemingly overnight. one of the things i initially liked about the d.e. hives that i use is the fact that the 'starter' hives come with a deep and a shallow box. gave me room to expand the hive, while i rush ordered, assembled and painted additional boxes. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Fri Dec 4 20:53:01 EST 1998 Article: 15142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beelining box... Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:46:49 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <747l87$fbq$1@tikehau.netreach.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Dec 1998 11:44:42 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Dec 4 03:45:04 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp262.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3667c90e.127160908@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15142 "Marc W. Wachter" wrote: >I am looking for an antique bee-lining box... it's a box roughly 6"x3"x2" >and has two compartments one of which is covered with glass or some kind of >transpartent material. > They appear easy to make, even from cardboard, if you can't find one available to purchase. A description of how to use the box is on the Beekeeping History section of my web site, on page 2. http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ The description is quoted from an old bee book. Regards, John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Fri Dec 4 20:53:02 EST 1998 Article: 15143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "kill a beekeeper" BS from USDA Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 01:24:57 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <366590ce.7998587@news.jps.net> References: <366080f0.3165658@news.jps.net> <01be1d32$cbeb0520$7dc3cba3@hans.icl.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.58.76 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.58.76 Lines: 45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.58.76 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15143 On 1 Dec 98 13:46:44 GMT, "H Bargholz" wrote: >Have just spent 20minutes trying to get past the wonderful works of the guy >who designs the web page. Piece of advice, skip the fancy gifs etc and let >a serious browser find the real content you might want to win a prize for >the most creative use of available web tools, but you won't get many people >to stay with it. Hans. Well said Hans, But since I am the guy that designs my own web page and I am well aware that not all have the time to waste looking at graphics that I may enjoy myself. I guess that is why we have News Groups and Lists for beekeepers without all the glitter. I have tried my best to design a web page for beekeeper that all could enjoy and I guess I have failed some, but "content" does count and by the looks of my stats for an effort that is just a few months old I find that many people are indeed returning for something? BeeNet Com is always changing and yes I must try every new web tool as I tried every new piece of bee equipment for my 40 years as a commercial beekeeper. I guess that's the only way I know of learning myself by Trial and tError this new art which is much different from the BBS world that I came from. I have tried the mostly text format and may in time go back to it but for the present what you see is what you get at the OLd Drone's Hive.. BTW. I did not see your web page address? ttul, the OLd Drone for the latest Bees News http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Ranked 15th out of 320 Agricultural sites by World 1000, 12..1.98 http://www.hitbox.com/wc/Agriculture.html (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Dec 4 20:53:03 EST 1998 Article: 15144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Dec 1998 10:55:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3664BD74.49CED19C@valley.net> Message-ID: <19981202055554.03656.00001052@ng30.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15144 > >> Kevin 'johnny reb' Johnson??? Where does that come from? Just curious. >> > >oops. as a result of an email that he sent me some time ago in which he said >i seemed >ok, even though i was a yankee. bet kevin doesn't even remember it.. ;) > >> By the way Kevin, did you pick up that extractor from Brushy Mtn yet? >> >> AL > >if that's the 9 frame radial, kevin, you will love it. > hehehehhee remember it now leave it ta them yankees to git one over on the ole boy !! ya'll come back now ya hear . BTW would ya believe i had to teach the dang spell checker to spell " ya'll " , apparently the northern dialect presents it as " yawl " Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From not@fur.ur.use Fri Dec 4 20:53:05 EST 1998 Article: 15145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: not@fur.ur.use (Greg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INVADED BY ANTS!!! Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:17:00 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 9 Message-ID: <36653d7d.463310@news.ptway.com> References: <3664ED75.BD885DC4@tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.176.148.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912604690 QMQVB1HVP9450C7B0C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15145 >Any suggestion would be appreciated. >Thanks. Call an exterminatior. Put the food in a cabinet. Eat the food. Eat the ants. Move. From woolspin@aol.com Sat Dec 5 22:30:35 EST 1998 Article: 15146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: woolspin@aol.com (Woolspin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saint Ambrose patron of Beekeepers Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Dec 1998 02:20:31 GMT References: <01be1d3d$4d5cf1e0$9f14c010@ballabio1.MLN.DEC.COM> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981204212031.05933.00001081@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15146 In article <01be1d3d$4d5cf1e0$9f14c010@ballabio1.MLN.DEC.COM>, "carlo ballabio" writes: >Of course I need image of Saint Ambrose where he is drawn with a skep or >with bees. I have a picture of St. Ambrose in my book, "Lives of the Saints". It is not a very good one and the bees are very small in the background. I would have to have my husband try to scan and send it, if you are interested. Let me know. Patty From jwright@niagara.com Sat Dec 5 22:30:36 EST 1998 Article: 15147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!niagara.com!tstang From: "Jim Wright" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weather Date: 5 Dec 1998 02:35:11 GMT Organization: ICN, http://www.niagara.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01be1ff7$d81e4c40$c802010a@jwright.niagara.com> References: <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net> <19981130065046.12818.00000095@ng94.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-75.niagara.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15147 We're experiencing similar absurdly high temperatures here in the Niagara Area of Ontario, Canada. For the last week, we have had daytime temps over the 50 degree range; today it hit 61!!!....My colonies are active; much more active than I prefer at this time of year. It has provided me with the opportunity to complete treatments of formic acid for mites and I am afraid I will be doing some additional feeding this weekend. Hk1BeeMan wrote in article <19981130065046.12818.00000095@ng94.aol.com>... > >Has anyone else been experiencing warmer then usual temperatures? I live > >in > > well the temps here in North Carolina have led to terrible results for some. > Winter stores left on after honey removal that should have been enough till > spring are gone. > If it doesn't get cold soon , at least for 4-5 days straight i Don't know what > we'll do. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Sat Dec 5 22:30:37 EST 1998 Article: 15148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.32.21!cyclone.nycap.rr.com!news.nycap.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.131.128.14!elnws02.ce.mediaone.net!24.131.1.12!denws01.mw.mediaone.net!news.altair.com!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: &^#@%@ weather! Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:37:53 -0600 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3666B051.70BFAD21@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tessa.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15148 Last year I was late getting my Apistan in, as the bees we're almost done raising brood. This year, I vowed not to let it happen, and got my strips in "on time". Now, the weather has been unseasonably warm (about 20 degrees F above normal), and I'm wondering if their still raising brood. I've had the strips out for some time now. Oh well, we'll see what we have come spring. Randy -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. From mwachter@netreach.net Sat Dec 5 22:30:37 EST 1998 Article: 15149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tupelo in the NE? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:04:18 -0500 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 12 Message-ID: <746c6j$auf$1@tikehau.netreach.net> References: <744ngp$ehu$1@tikehau.netreach.net> <366754c9.979953@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207023-232.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15149 >I fear there may not be enough soil in the mid atlantic area, for the >roots to gain a hold. Unless you are considering hydroponics. >> Is that dry wit - mid Atlantic being the ocean? If so, I was referring to the Mid-Atlantic states - PA, NJ, NY, DE Thanks for your interest.... ;) Marc From kj@jaf.nildram.NOSPAMco.uk Sat Dec 5 22:30:38 EST 1998 Article: 15150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildram.NOSPAMco.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tupelo in the NE? Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 19:16:04 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <367dd935.34884686@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <744ngp$ehu$1@tikehau.netreach.net> <366754c9.979953@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <746c6j$auf$1@tikehau.netreach.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-164.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 3 Dec 1998 19:13:17 GMT, pm6-164.nildram.co.uk Lines: 21 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm6-164.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15150 On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:04:18 -0500, "Marc W. Wachter" wrote: >>I fear there may not be enough soil in the mid atlantic area, for the >>roots to gain a hold. Unless you are considering hydroponics. >>> >Is that dry wit - mid Atlantic being the ocean? If so, I was referring to >the Mid-Atlantic states - PA, NJ, NY, DE > >Thanks for your interest.... ;) > It was an attempt at a humourous observation of how two nations are separated by a common language, as for instance, in the spelling of the word 'humourous'. Other examples like trunk, muffin, and chips, and in a beekeeping vein, a quilt (an 'inner' cover). I like the reference to 'dry' wit in the context of mid-atlantic; and they say Americans don't do irony...? :-) -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk try the quiz @.../quizform From swienty@swienty.com Sat Dec 5 22:30:39 EST 1998 Article: 15151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!193.162.146.37!miri.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Bjųrn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: You want quality beekeeping equipment? Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:43:36 +0100 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7470f4$o6r$1@miri.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-15.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15151 Hi folks, Has this become the official commercial site of Blossomland? Take a look at www.swienty.com High Quality Beekeeping Equipment >from Scandinavia Thank you very much. From honeybs@radix.net Sat Dec 5 22:30:40 EST 1998 Article: 15152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: &^#@%@ weather! Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 23:16:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <74730n$l7p$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <3666B051.70BFAD21@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: port16.annex3.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15152 Randy Nessler wrote: > Last year I was late getting my Apistan in, as the bees we're almost >done raising brood. This year, I vowed not to let it happen, and got my >strips in "on time". Now, the weather has been unseasonably warm (about >20 degrees F above normal), and I'm wondering if their still raising >brood. I've had the strips out for some time now. Oh well, we'll see >what we have come spring. >Randy ' Hate to burst your bubble but the best time to have the apistan in is when THERE IS NO BROOD. The mites can't hide in the capped cells and are all exposed to the fluvalinate. The strips of course have to be in the cluster. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From nmackay@easynet.co.uk Sat Dec 5 22:30:40 EST 1998 Article: 15153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!quince.news.easynet.net!easynet-quince!not-for-mail From: "Norman Ian Mackay" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee hive stand Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:46:49 -0000 Organization: [posted via Easynet Ltd] Lines: 13 Message-ID: <747842$18aj$1@quince.news.easynet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nmackay.easynet.co.uk X-Trace: quince.news.easynet.net 912729026 41299 212.212.51.108 (3 Dec 1998 23:50:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 1998 23:50:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15153 I am currently a sixth year university student in scotland and as part of my final year thesis I have been asked to design a beehive stand with automatic load sensing mechanism. If you could provide me with any information or an address were I could access such information I would be extremely grateful. Yours faithfully Norman Mackay 3rd Year BSc C.A.D Paisley University From 608ec@carolina.net Sat Dec 5 22:30:41 EST 1998 Article: 15154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Mark Epps" <608ec@carolina.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Clip Art Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:20:38 -0500 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: line133.carolina.net Message-ID: <3669bdc2.0@208.218.14.44> X-Trace: 5 Dec 1998 18:12:02 -0500, line133.carolina.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.kiva.net!uunet!uunet!in5.uu.net!208.218.14.44!line133.carolina.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15154 Does anyone know of a website where I can get some bee clip art? Any help greatly appreciated. From crispin@paonline.com Sat Dec 5 22:30:42 EST 1998 Article: 15155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Crispin Foster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net> Subject: Re: weather Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:05:01 -0500 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.44.31.94 Message-ID: <3669c80f.0@news3.paonline.com> X-Trace: 5 Dec 1998 18:55:59 -0500, 207.44.31.94 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.251.99!storm.twcol.com!dca1-feed3.news.digex.net!digex!news3.paonline.com!207.44.31.94 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15155 Here in Central Pennsylvania the temps are hitting upper 60's and lower 70's for the past week. We've had 4 record high days in the last 7 days. My bees are coming into the house looking for food. It's all a little ominous. Hope we can return to more seasonal weather soon. Crispin Foster Kent Stienburg wrote in message <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net>... >Hi All, > >Has anyone else been experiencing warmer then usual temperatures? > >Kent Stienburg From tsingle@bigfoot.com Sun Dec 6 20:57:19 EST 1998 Article: 15156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Tom Singleton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nice site, John Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 06:58:24 -0800 Organization: Monroe Business Services, Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <36694A0F.F6D098C9@bigfoot.com> References: <747l87$fbq$1@tikehau.netreach.net> <3667c90e.127160908@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: tsingle@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.pao-sea900.pool.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!master.news.rcn.net!howland.erols.net!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15156 John, Just wanted to say "Thanks!" for the nice info site. I enjoyed reading and learning about beekeeping history. I would recommend that others interested in beekeeping take a look too. It's nice to know where we've come from... Tom Monroe, WA John Caldeira wrote: > "Marc W. Wachter" wrote: > >I am looking for an antique bee-lining box... it's a box roughly 6"x3"x2" > >and has two compartments one of which is covered with glass or some kind of > >transpartent material. > > > > They appear easy to make, even from cardboard, if you can't find one > available to purchase. > > A description of how to use the box is on the Beekeeping History > section of my web site, on page 2. > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > The description is quoted from an old bee book. > > Regards, > John > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ -- Tom Singleton tsingle@bigfoot.com info@monroecpa.com From tsingle@bigfoot.com Sun Dec 6 20:57:20 EST 1998 Article: 15157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Tom Singleton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just wondering Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 06:54:36 -0800 Organization: Monroe Business Services, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3669492B.2F9F3435@bigfoot.com> References: <10947-36676BE3-124@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19981204090641.07833.00001704@ng-cd1.aol.com> Reply-To: tsingle@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.pao-sea900.pool.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15157 <> Hi there, Is this to say that you sprinkled granulated sugar on the top side of the inner cover?? Haven't used direct application of sugar, so I'm wondering if this is a technique suitable for my climate (Seattle area). Sure would be simple though.... Thanks, Tom Monroe, WA BeeCrofter wrote: > Like you I also just had to check my bees and left em about a pound of sugar on > the inner covers. > I would leave them in the top box until spring if the bottom combs are empty. > If the bottom combs are full of honey then I would want them on top as bees > move up as they eat. > Checked 25 hives on Wednesday and all seemed sound. -- Tom Singleton tsingle@bigfoot.com info@monroecpa.com From crispin@paonline.com Sun Dec 6 20:57:21 EST 1998 Article: 15158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Crispin Foster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <10518-3664CD20-24@newsd-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Formic acid for mite control Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:58:33 -0500 Lines: 79 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01BE2081.41A8BCC0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.44.31.94 Message-ID: <3669c68c.0@news3.paonline.com> X-Trace: 5 Dec 1998 18:49:32 -0500, 207.44.31.94 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed3.news.digex.net!digex!news3.paonline.com!207.44.31.94 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15158 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01BE2081.41A8BCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Formic acid gel should be available soon from Betterbee 1-800-632-3379. = They're in the northeast somewhere. Crispin Foster Steven Paust wrote in message = <10518-3664CD20-24@newsd-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... Dear fellow beekeepers: I was wondering if anyone has heard if = formic acid in the form of a jell, was or is approved by the F.D.A. in the treatment of both Varroa and tracheal mites. I'm still using Apistan strips and pray that they make it through this winter. =20 Last year I lost my three hives to mites. The supers were filled = with honey, but the adult bees were dead. =20 Anyone with information about formic acid being approved yet or not, pease let me know your experiences with using it and also which = supply comaany sells it. =20 =20 Thanks, -Steve =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01BE2081.41A8BCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Formic acid gel should be available = soon from=20 Betterbee 1-800-632-3379. They're in the northeast = somewhere.
Crispin = Foster
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Dear=20 fellow beekeepers: I was wondering if anyone has heard if = formic
acid in=20 the form of a jell, was or is approved by the F.D.A. in = the
treatment of=20 both Varroa and tracheal mites. I'm still using Apistan
strips = and pray=20 that they make it through this winter.

Last year I lost my = three=20 hives to mites. The supers were filled with
honey, but the adult = bees=20 were dead.

Anyone with information about formic acid being = approved=20 yet or not,
pease let me know your experiences with using it and = also=20 which supply
comaany sells=20 it.


Thanks,
-Steve

------=_NextPart_000_0087_01BE2081.41A8BCC0-- From crispin@paonline.com Sun Dec 6 20:57:22 EST 1998 Article: 15159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Crispin Foster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <744ngp$ehu$1@tikehau.netreach.net> Subject: Re: Tupelo in the NE? Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:53:38 -0500 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.44.31.94 Message-ID: <3669c563.0@news3.paonline.com> X-Trace: 5 Dec 1998 18:44:35 -0500, 207.44.31.94 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.251.99!storm.twcol.com!dca1-feed3.news.digex.net!digex!news3.paonline.com!207.44.31.94 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15159 Tupelos seem to grow here in Pennsylvania though they don't get much over 20'. They're called blackgums here. The one that grows in my yard is about 12' tall but has never flowered in the past 8 years. I suspect that the northeast is a little marginal for these trees. Marc W. Wachter wrote in message <744ngp$ehu$1@tikehau.netreach.net>... >Has anyone tried to grow Tupelo trees in the Mid-Atlantic area? If so, what >have been the best planting conditions - soil, sun, etc? Thanks for your >time > >Marc Wachter > > > From lithar@midwest.net Sun Dec 6 20:57:23 EST 1998 Article: 15160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!SupernewsUK!supernews.com!SnNA!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee hive stand Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:02:19 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 21 Message-ID: <366A2BFB.C3E@midwest.net> References: <747842$18aj$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912920576 .ZFUVYH4M1C20D0EBC usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15160 Tom Speight wrote: > > In article <747842$18aj$1@quince.news.easynet.net>, Norman Ian Mackay > writes > >I am currently a sixth year university student in scotland and as part > >of my final year thesis I have been asked to design a beehive stand with > >automatic load sensing mechanism. If you could provide me with any > >information or an address were I could access such information I would be > >extremely grateful. > I thought the idea was for you to design it?? > -- > Tom Speight Funny, I was thinking the same thing... AL From behomet@home.com Sun Dec 6 20:57:23 EST 1998 Article: 15161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Behomet" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <366ac7aa.245727@news.gate.net> Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:07:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.77.250 X-Complaints-To: news@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.fl.home.com 912974872 24.3.77.250 (Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:07:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:07:52 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15161 Now I do not know if this is same bee that your gentleman friend is talking about, but I have a sort of bee that is definitely of Apis distraction. It is much smaller and a little bit more elongated to a finer point at its abdomen. It looks like a small long black honey bee. It looks exactly like a small and black honey bee. I have seen them all up and down the east coast >from NJ to FL I am hoping that this is the bee he is talking about. If I were to estimate the cell size of the combs it uses I would have to say 1/8-3/16 inch and I think 3/16ths it a largish estimate. I would think the cell walls much finer as well. And the cut away width of the comb would be approx... 7/8ths inch. I have never seen a hive, mind you, just imagining. I would also concur with your friend, I think he's right about native bees being "better acquainted" for this land. This post has inspiring. I am going to track these bees and see if I can't learn more about them. May have to build custom hive for them next spring when I learn enough about them and their yearly cycle. I would think the whole hive might possibly be smaller too. Imagine, new smaller Langstroth style hives for a new and forgotten friends. Or even observatory hives, the ordinary size observatory might be the perfect size for these bees. They may be the best bees for the job. I wonder if the honey would be very different. This is kind of exciting. Behomet From nmackay@easynet.co.uk Tue Dec 8 18:40:24 EST 1998 Article: 15162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-tele!quince.news.easynet.net!easynet-quince!not-for-mail From: "Norman Ian Mackay" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beehive Stand Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:52:12 -0000 Organization: [posted via Easynet Ltd] Lines: 13 Message-ID: <74k79g$2b5l$1@quince.news.easynet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nmackay.easynet.co.uk X-Trace: quince.news.easynet.net 913154160 76981 212.212.51.108 (8 Dec 1998 21:56:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Dec 1998 21:56:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15162 I am currently a third year university student and as part of my final year thesis I have been asked to design a Beehive stand with a built in load sensing mechanism to enable the beekeeper to see the mass of the hive at any time during the season. If anybody has any information on the above subject or an address were I could obtain some information It would help me a lot. Yours faithfully Norman Mackay BSc CAD Paisley University From drgonfly@ultranet.com Wed Dec 9 05:35:17 EST 1998 Article: 15163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: history of mites?? Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:09:01 -0800 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d183.dial-5.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 9 Dec 1998 02:08:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15163 I have a question. Just where did the mites come from? Bees are native to Europe and not the US. My other question is, do bees in Europe also get varroa and tracheal mites. I assume that the mites had to be native somewhere that bees where also native, or did that hopscotch off another insect? Maybe European bees have some sort of natural biological control or disease that keepsmites in check. If not, how did bees persist in Europe ? How are the feral colonies in Europe doing? Regards, Marc Andelman From joniverson@sprintmail.com Thu Dec 10 19:40:20 EST 1998 Article: 15164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.136.66.98!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Jon Iverson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just wondering Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 01:08:52 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <10947-36676BE3-124@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19981204090641.07833.00001704@ng-cd1.aol.com> <3669492B.2F9F3435@bigfoot.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 9 Dec 1998 09:07:20 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Dec 9 01:15:07 1998 Organization: Poulsbo, Washington "Little Norway" Lines: 33 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-006waseatp035.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <366E3E24.82C2F497@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15164 I am also in the Seattle area and tried this last year on a couple hives and it acted like a desiccant and became liquid sugar and ran down into the hives. I lost both hives in February. Tom Singleton wrote: > <> > > Hi there, > > Is this to say that you sprinkled granulated sugar on the top side of the inner > cover?? Haven't used direct application of sugar, so I'm wondering if this is a > technique suitable for my climate (Seattle area). Sure would be simple though.... > > Thanks, > Tom > Monroe, WA > > BeeCrofter wrote: > > > Like you I also just had to check my bees and left em about a pound of sugar on > > the inner covers. > > I would leave them in the top box until spring if the bottom combs are empty. > > If the bottom combs are full of honey then I would want them on top as bees > > move up as they eat. > > Checked 25 hives on Wednesday and all seemed sound. > > -- > Tom Singleton > > tsingle@bigfoot.com > info@monroecpa.com From tsingle@bigfoot.com Thu Dec 10 19:40:21 EST 1998 Article: 15165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!paxfeed.eni.net!not-for-mail From: Tom Singleton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Boiling Bees/Confused queens? Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 06:19:44 -0800 Organization: Monroe Business Services, Inc. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <366E8700.C20FF284@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: tsingle@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 244.pao-sea900.pool.eni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15165 One of the interesting things about beekeeping is that there's always something different to deal with. Last week I was doing a "final" cleaning of my bees-pulling the Apistans, freshening the terramycin patties, and clean the bottom boards-when I encountered the first instances I can remember of what I have heard called "boiling bees". The outside temp here in the Seattle area was about 42F as I removed the top covers and the bees, far from being still or clustered, were "boiling" out over the sides and flying about. Out of the four hives that I inspected, two were as full of bees as you would allow before spring/summer supering. The other two were "normal" hives with a winter population which made up a nice sized cluster. With a colony this size, it would be entirely possible for them to be raising brood, but I was so surprised I did not inspect for it at the time. I am also doubtful of their ability to survive with even two full deeps of stores, and in fact one of the oversized hives has a light bottom super, no doubt due to over-population. Has anybody else dealt with hives that won't seem to quit? Is it a case of confused queens (All these queens were hatched in the Puget Sound area)? Should I just leave everything and put on a feeder and hope for the best? Is this a result of some kind of weather situation? It has been very rainy and wet in November/Dec here, almost no direct sun breaks but no freezing yet, days and nights in the 40s. I don't know how many other hives I have like this-my next scheduled inspection/cleaning is in a week and a half... I'm sealing up my Miller top tank feeders now, anticipating that I will be needing them to feed these hives through spring. Thanks for any comments or suggestions you have... -- Tom Singleton Monroe, WA tsingle@bigfoot.com info@monroecpa.com From beefolks@home.com Thu Dec 10 19:40:21 EST 1998 Article: 15166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <366EB3F1.4DD92D70@home.com> From: Bee Folks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: scottish beekeeping X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:31:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.26.37 X-Complaints-To: news@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.md.home.com 913242706 24.3.26.37 (Wed, 09 Dec 1998 14:31:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 14:31:46 PDT Organization: @Home Network Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!nntprelay.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.md.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15166 I was wondering if someone could send me the sections from "The Archaeology of Beekeeping" about the history of beekeeping in Scotland. It should only be a paragraph or two. Also, has anyone heard anything about the production of a new book called "The History of Beekeeping", also by Eva Crane? Lori From stoigo@ora.fda.gov Sat Dec 12 05:18:34 EST 1998 Article: 15167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: stoigo@ora.fda.gov Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee Questions Continued Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:58:03 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 21 Message-ID: <74pg5a$4ft$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <73pbut$otd$1@usenet43.supernews.com> <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.181.2 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 10 21:58:03 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.77.181.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15167 In article <19981129090112.10541.00001940@ng-cf1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >Question Asked was: > >1. I saw the online store site mentioned earlier. They have a starter kit. > >Does this kit contain everything that you really need to get started or is > >it a $125 that requires an additional $500 worth of stuff to really get > >started? This kit doesn't have any sort of suit: just a hood. Is a suit just > >a luxury item? A suit is not a "luxury item", but it is definitely a very useful and desireable item. Cost should not be an obstacle - You can get a "Tyvek" overall suit (the kind that is used for painting) for about $10-12. Tops. The Tyvek suits are durable (although designed to be discarded after several uses) lightweight, comfortable and economical. I normally go through 2 or 3 in a year. Check out the paint section of your local hardware store or "Home Depot". I also think Brushy Mountain sells them through their catalog (1-800- 233-7929). Hope this helps! Steve Toigo -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From fbates@ihug.co.nz Sat Dec 12 05:18:35 EST 1998 Article: 15168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!usenet.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:24:14 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 13 Message-ID: <36709de1.28390593@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <18027A064S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p114-tnt1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15168 Have a look at this site showing the origin & spread of Varroa in graphic form. http://www.snre.umich.edu/~sarhaus/samm/samm2.gif Cheers frank >"Marc Andelman" writes: > >> >>I have a question. Just where did the mites come from? ... >> fbates@ihug.co.nz From n1vxs@juno.com Sat Dec 12 05:18:35 EST 1998 Article: 15169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.shore.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail From: Howard Cohen Subject: want to build a tbh Message-ID: <36685D12.3D50640C@analogic.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:07:14 -0500 Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15169 I have been a beekeeper since April with a conventional hive. I would like to start my second hive in spring and would like to try a top bar hive, which I will build one this winter. If there is anyone with tbh experience here in eastern Massachussetts, I would appreciate your contacting me -- I am full of questions. A few questions: 1) Should I have an unattached bottom to the hive, so that I can clean it out? I notice that the all pictures and plans show the entrances well above the floor of the hive, so the bees probably have a hard time keeping the place clean. 2) Should the top be hinged? Telescoped? 3) I may want to take some brood from my Langstroth hive and put it in my tbh. It is not obvious to me how to do this. Do I just cut the brood on the foundation from the frame and hang it on a top bar? Thank you. Howard Cohen Lexington, MA From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Sat Dec 12 05:18:36 EST 1998 Article: 15170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Please Censor Me? Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:46:14 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <366872ec.1639001@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.50.44 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.50.44 Lines: 20 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.50.44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15170 PLEASE CENSOR ME? This beekeepers from Idaho would be much happier today if he were just censored for lying! (AP 12-3) BOISE A beekeeper from Carey has been sentenced to 28 months in prison for making false statements? Check it out at: http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Also follow the "killer" red ant's as they replace "killer" bees as the "hype" a problem by government regulators. I bet you didn't know "killer" ant's kill more people in Texas and Florida then "killer" bees in the rest of the states. And gosh nobody to defend them from any lie...what a bummer. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From mbalestra@tin.it Sat Dec 12 05:18:37 EST 1998 Article: 15171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!skynet.be!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: Marco Balestra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: INVADED BY ANTS!!! Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:34:13 +0100 Organization: TIN Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3664ED75.BD885DC4@tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-rm39-45.tin.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15171 The kitchen in my house is invaded by very small black ants. I have tried all kind of remedies, from specific detergents (Aiax Expell) to those little traps containing poisoned honey. I have also closed holes in the wall from where they were coming from. But they are still there and they go all over my food. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Marco Balestra Via della Luce, 55 00153 ROMA Tel. +39-6-5806231 or +39-335-6606521 From scp1969@webtv.net Sat Dec 12 05:18:37 EST 1998 Article: 15172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: scp1969@webtv.net (Steven Paust) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic acid for mite control Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:16:16 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 39 Message-ID: <10518-3664CD20-24@newsd-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-80849583-2398 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETArAhN70d1q8grHE5Z11Of1IEBEnQZwAhQ9mN6Cfz3jpPBEy1l70AIxIkfhGQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15172 --WebTV-Mail-80849583-2398 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Dear fellow beekeepers: I was wondering if anyone has heard if formic acid in the form of a jell, was or is approved by the F.D.A. in the treatment of both Varroa and tracheal mites. I'm still using Apistan strips and pray that they make it through this winter. Last year I lost my three hives to mites. The supers were filled with honey, but the adult bees were dead. Anyone with information about formic acid being approved yet or not, pease let me know your experiences with using it and also which supply comaany sells it. Thanks, -Steve --WebTV-Mail-80849583-2398 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-80849583-2398-- From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Sat Dec 12 05:18:38 EST 1998 Article: 15173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Please Censor Me? Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:32:29 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <366d445e.38339577@news.jps.net> References: <366872ec.1639001@news.jps.net> <74h6ks$68m@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.55.162 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.55.162 Lines: 29 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.55.162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15173 >Andy dont you mean Censure Which means to rebuke. Not Censor which >means to stop publication. I dont think you really want us to stop you >from speaking do you. Oh, nats...my spelling checker must had misfired or something. Thanks, for the heads up. I will try and get it rite next time. ttul, Andy- PS. Much of what I report as being reported in the public media about our industry I do wish I could censor as it is biased and taints us all. >>PLEASE CENSOR ME? >>This beekeepers from Idaho would be much happier today if he were just >>censored for lying! >>(AP 12-3) BOISE A beekeeper from Carey has been sentenced to 28 >>months in prison for making false statements? Check it out at: http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From dcscott@bright.net Sat Dec 12 05:18:38 EST 1998 Article: 15174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!marge.eaglequest.com!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!news.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Scott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: yellow clover and alfalfa Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:02:05 -0500 Organization: BrightNet Ohio Lines: 78 Message-ID: <74kl24$bao$1@cletus.bright.net> References: <24094-366BE703-9@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dark-cas2-cs-5.dial.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE2289.6DB51340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15174 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE2289.6DB51340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My advice is, don't worry bee happy. We have that combination on = our farm and it makes nice honey, works for me. --=20 Dennis Scott West Central Ohio U.S.A. troy crumrine wrote in message = news:24094-366BE703-9@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net... if bees have access to both does it does it spoil honey flavor i have 1/4 acre that i installed water system i wanted to plant both to feed horses but i dont want to spoil honey (o what to doo) please advise thanks troy -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE2289.6DB51340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
      My = advice is, don't=20 worry bee happy. We have that combination on our farm and it makes nice = honey,=20 works for me.

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troy crumrine <dashhound@webtv.net> wrote = in message=20 news:24094-= 366BE703-9@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
if=20 bees have access to both does it does it spoil honey flavor i = have
1/4 acre=20 that i installed water system i wanted to plant both to feed
horses = but i=20 dont want to spoil honey (o what to doo) please=20 = advise

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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE2289.6DB51340-- From zeeppy@aol.com Sat Dec 12 05:18:39 EST 1998 Article: 15175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: zeeppy@aol.com (Zeeppy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive Stand Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Dec 1998 16:52:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <74k79g$2b5l$1@quince.news.easynet.net> Message-ID: <19981211115221.01578.00001192@ng15.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15175 Dear Norman, Your project is an interesting one. Earlier days in US, researchers and honeyproducers would place a hive of bees upon a large scale in order to monitor weight/mass. Such an arrangement allows one to monitor the hive on a continuous basis without effort. The readings provided an indication of the honey reserves and potential yield. Best wishes, Frank Hendrix From ece@cats.ucsc.edu Sat Dec 12 05:18:40 EST 1998 Article: 15176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.ucsc.edu!usenet From: ece@cats.ucsc.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: International Short Course on Agroecology Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:42:37 -0800 Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3671598D.F4E@cats.ucsc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsb-41.dialup.ucsc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15176 Greetings from the University of California, Santa Cruz! We invite you to join our International Short Course on Agroecology, to be held at the Center for Agroecology and Sustainable Food Systems, University of California, Santa Cruz, August 16-27, 1999. The course is designed to give extensionists, farm advisers, trainers, NGO managers, farmers, advanced undergraduate students, graduate students, researchers, professors, and other agricultural professionals a practical, "hands-on" experience with the application of agroecological principles to the design and management of sustainable farming systems. The full course announcement is available on-line at: http://www.agroecology.org/shortcourse.htm Printable adobe acrobat versions of the course announcement are also available on-line in English and Spanish for distribution at your workplace. If you plan to attend, please submit your application as soon as possible, before the application deadline of March 1, 1999, so that your place in the course can be guaranteed. Application details are included in the course announcement. Please email us at if you have any other questions, or would like to be kept updated as new information becomes available. Agroecologically yours, Stephen R. Gliessman, Alfred Heller Professor of Agroecology Erle C. Ellis, Agroecology Short Course Coordinator ----- International Agroecology Short Course Center for Agroecology and Sustainable Food Systems University of California, Santa Cruz, CA 95064 Tel: (831) 459-2506 | Fax: (831) 459-2867 -->http://www.agroecology.org/shortcourse.html From dashhound@webtv.net Sat Dec 12 05:18:40 EST 1998 Article: 15177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: dashhound@webtv.net (troy crumrine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apistan strips? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:48:14 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4119-367168EE-7@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1208110771-488 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQqcN9zAof8g2wPPUaiS2WpC35J0QIUekI2Xi1H4Bt8IYMKzZ7VJHfGT8c= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.nwlink.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15177 --WebTV-Mail-1208110771-488 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit when should they go in and when should they come out ? to new to know. --WebTV-Mail-1208110771-488 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-1208110771-488-- From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Dec 12 05:18:41 EST 1998 Article: 15178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ANGLIN" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <36685D12.3D50640C@analogic.com> Subject: Re: want to build a tbh Lines: 67 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.61.66 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 913409746 209.69.61.66 (Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:55:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:55:46 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:57:59 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15178 I have a top Bar Hive and I love It!!!!! I live in michgan, and I started it this spring by splitting a surviving hive when I requeened this spring. I started with 4 frames of broodset in an upside down langstroth body and places my top bars on either side, and between the frames to encourage them to build straight natural combs. After they had filled the langstroth body with natural combs, in addition to the starter frames, I moves them into my top bar box, which is the size of three deep hive bodies set next to each other. I kept separating the combs as colony strenght permitted, and placed empty top bars between straight combs to encourage more straitght combs. If they started builsing a crooked comb, I removed it or rotated it to the outside so the brood could hatch before I removed it. The hive built up very strong, and has gone into winter with more than two hive bodies worth of honey- But I'm not sure how they will winter once extreme weather hits. It will be harder for them to move horizontally to get to new food. I built my hive to be fairly interchangeable with my standard eqipment- I can hang standard frames in with my top bars if needed. Because of the bad weather here, I built a BIG telescoping cover. ($$$ for the metal covering) The sources I have from warmer climates just use a piece of tin or even cardboard. I notched my to pbars so that I can place a super on top of the TB's if i want to (Just pull back the lid part way. If this seems unclear, take a look at James Satterfields wonderfull TBH website- it is where I got my ideas from His E mail is jsatt@gsu.edu and the address I have for his page is url:http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~/apishtm/apis.htm or try http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/tbmiscq2.htm for answers to miscellaneous questions about top bar hives. (If I have managed to type them in correctly, I'm working from a notebook.) If you decide to make your TBH in a size that is not Lang compatible, cut combs can be tied to a top bar with twine, and the bees will attach the comb to the bar. Feel free to email me- I'd love to trade notes with someone else in the north. (Wintering is my biggest concern with these long hives.) Howard Cohen wrote in message <36685D12.3D50640C@analogic.com>... >I have been a beekeeper since April with a conventional hive. I would >like to start my second hive in spring and would like to try a top bar >hive, which I will build one this winter. > >If there is anyone with tbh experience here in eastern Massachussetts, I >would appreciate your contacting me -- I am full of questions. > >A few questions: > >1) Should I have an unattached bottom to the hive, so that I can clean >it out? I notice that the all pictures and plans show the entrances >well above the floor of the hive, so the bees probably have a hard time >keeping the place clean. > >2) Should the top be hinged? Telescoped? > >3) I may want to take some brood from my Langstroth hive and put it in >my tbh. It is not obvious to me how to do this. Do I just cut the >brood on the foundation from the frame and hang it on a top bar? > >Thank you. > >Howard Cohen >Lexington, MA > > From adamshonco@aol.com Sat Dec 12 05:18:42 EST 1998 Article: 15179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Dec 1998 02:13:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <366D5A3F.32B0@erols.com> Message-ID: <19981211211319.23214.00001212@ng135.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15179 I have one that came in a package of deeps that I bought. It has no patent or names on , but I wish I could get a couple of thousand more like it . It works as well as wood and does not decay in the weather, Florida rain.The box has cross ribbing on the outside to strengthen it David From anglin@mi.verio.com Sun Dec 13 14:58:47 EST 1998 Article: 15180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ANGLIN" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <366ac7aa.245727@news.gate.net> Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.61.88 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 913448974 209.69.61.88 (Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:49:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:49:34 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:52:31 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15180 My father was given a swarm of German Black bees when he was a teenager. they were very mean and runny in comparison to his "Sears and Roebuck" bought Italian bees. He remembers that no matter how carefully he handled them they flew up and stung like crazy. Books i have read note that the Black bees originally introduced to america were hard to work, nervous, and quite susceptible to the diseses common to the day. I remember seeing a "Cure" for wax moths in an old book, that was simply to requeen with an Italian Queen. While we could definately use their genetic diversity today, I wouln't risk keeping bees as defensive as these seem to have been anywhere near people or domestic animals. Ellen Anglin, Nt. Clemens MI From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 13 14:58:48 EST 1998 Article: 15181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: scottish beekeeping Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:37:07 +0000 Message-ID: <1FILiLATZWc2EwGW@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <366EB3F1.4DD92D70@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 913415520 nnrp-03:11345 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15181 In article <366EB3F1.4DD92D70@home.com>, Bee Folks writes >Also, has anyone heard anything about the production of a new book >called "The History of Beekeeping", also by Eva Crane? Yes, when I had the privelege of meeting Dr Crane earlier this year, she said she had a new book which she hoped would be ready for publication 'later in the year' about the world history of beekeeping. I presume it could be any time now. If you are a member of the Scottish BKA, the Moir Library should have a copy of The Archeology of Beekeeing availabe on loan for the price of postage. -- Tom S From vsp@flash.net Sun Dec 13 14:58:49 EST 1998 Article: 15182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" Reply-To: vsp@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies References: <366D5A3F.32B0@erols.com> <19981211211319.23214.00001212@ng135.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6uuc2.34$Bc5.131@news.flash.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:47:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.66.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 913470466 209.30.66.34 (Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:47:46 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:47:46 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15182 AdamsHonCo wrote: > > I have one that came in a package of deeps > that I bought. It has no patent or names on , > but I wish I could get a couple of thousand > more like it . > > It works as well as wood and does not decay > in the weather, Florida rain.The box has > cross ribbing on the outside to strengthen it > > David David: Where did you buy the hive bodies that included the plastic. I have had plastic hives for 15 years and can't find them any more, I think they are great. From dlpaxton@gate.net Sun Dec 13 14:58:50 EST 1998 Article: 15183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:12:16 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <36728762.2941517@news.gate.net> References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl2-151.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15183 On 9 Dec 1998 17:56:36 GMT, skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) wrote: >a matter of mobile populations spreading the mite around. A. cerana, the native >host of Varroa jacobsoni, is able to survive infestation. But it is part of a Soooo... the question is, why don't we strat useing A. cerana here and forget about the mite infestation??? Dave From beecrofter@aol.com Sun Dec 13 14:58:50 EST 1998 Article: 15184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just wondering Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Dec 1998 14:06:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <10947-36676BE3-124@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: <19981204090641.07833.00001704@ng-cd1.aol.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15184 Like you I also just had to check my bees and left em about a pound of sugar on the inner covers. I would leave them in the top box until spring if the bottom combs are empty. If the bottom combs are full of honey then I would want them on top as bees move up as they eat. Checked 25 hives on Wednesday and all seemed sound. From beeman@kingston.net Sun Dec 13 14:58:51 EST 1998 Article: 15185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!SupernewsUK!supernews.com!SnNA!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: medium box's Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:57:52 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3672E6E0.682E@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.48.192 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 913489144 VRL06/YYI30C0CDBDC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15185 Hi all, There have been a few postings on the bee-l regarding switching to medium boxs for both brood and super. Since I can understand that this would be succesful in the warmer states, I'm am wondering about the northern states and Canada. I'm in south eastern Ontario. Does anybody who lives in these colder regions have any experience with overwintering in medium boxs? Thanks Kent Stienburg From beeman@algonet.se Sun Dec 13 14:58:53 EST 1998 Article: 15186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.algonet.se!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail From: P-O Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: medium box's Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:12:03 +0100 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3672CE13.DF0371E3@algonet.se> References: <3672E6E0.682E@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu192-76.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 913493647 27252 195.163.76.192 (12 Dec 1998 20:14:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 1998 20:14:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15186 Kent Stienburg wrote: > There have been a few postings on the bee-l regarding switching to > medium boxs for both brood and super. Since I can understand that this > would be succesful in the warmer states, I'm am wondering about the > northern states and Canada. I'm in south eastern Ontario. Does anybody > who lives in these colder regions have any experience with overwintering > in medium boxs? The bees will adopt to anything you provide. What kind of box you use doesn't matter for them. It is only a matter for the beekeeper what measurement the boxes got. The bees will be happy with medium boxes, if there is enough space to store the feed they need to take them trough winter. They do fine in mediums on lat 60 north. -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ From na@na.com.au Sun Dec 13 14:58:54 EST 1998 Article: 15187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.pbi.net!203.29.160.2!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: Samovar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees in sydney for sale Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:03:28 +1100 Organization: Vlast Industries Lines: 6 Message-ID: <36739F00.2381@na.com.au> Reply-To: na@na.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: p57-max8.syd.ihug.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15187 Urgently need to sell hives!!! Anyone in sydney aus want to purchase 2 beehives? $75 each (ono). Free empty hive and extra racks to go with them. Please email samovar@tig.com.au. Auburn area. From cdg1REMOVE@concentric.net Sun Dec 13 14:58:55 EST 1998 Article: 15188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: cdg1REMOVE@concentric.net (Charles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: KFC "Honey Sauce" instead of Honey Date: 13 Dec 1998 00:14:27 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <74vt13$54j@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts002d02.alq-nm.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15188 I visited my local Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet last week and was surprised to find with my order 2 packets of Honey Sauce. What is Honey Sauce ? Ingredients: Honey, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Sugar, Corn Syrup, Natural Flavoring, Caramel Color. Packaged by: "PPI" - Portion Pack, Inc, Mason, OH 45040 If I am going to put honey on my chicken, I want Honey. I am not going to allow my child to eat this. Is there anything that can be done ?? I like their chicken, but this packet should have HONEY in it. I found they have a website, but could not find an email contact address. Public Affairs Department KFC Corporation P.O. Box 32070 Louisville, KY 40232 Telephone: 502-874-8353 To reply to this post, please remove the word REMOVE from my email address. From snewport@pavilion.co.uk Sun Dec 13 14:58:55 EST 1998 Article: 15189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Allergy Question Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:24:54 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <36698785.4192690@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna2-23.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 912885919 17152 194.242.139.87 (5 Dec 1998 19:25:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 1998 19:25:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15189 Can people who are at risk of a full anaphalctic attack from bee stings, eat honey ? I would have thought that the presence of protein from the bees in honey would trigger the attack ? From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sun Dec 13 14:58:57 EST 1998 Article: 15190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!oleane!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:23:47 +0000 Message-ID: References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com> <36728762.2941517@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 913549468 nnrp-02:6899 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15190 In article <36728762.2941517@news.gate.net>, dlpaxton@gate.net writes >Soooo... the question is, why don't we strat useing A. cerana here and >forget about the mite infestation??? Got any good caves or rock overhangs which they can colonise? -- Tom Speight From anglin@mi.verio.com Sun Dec 13 14:58:58 EST 1998 Article: 15191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ANGLIN" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <366D5A3F.32B0@erols.com> <19981211211319.23214.00001212@ng135.aol.com> <6uuc2.34$Bc5.131@news.flash.net> Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.61.154 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 913551732 209.69.61.154 (Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:22:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:22:12 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:25:10 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15191 Kelly Bee Supply (Kentucky) used to sell PlasticHive bodies- I have seen the Ad's in 1970's Bee magazines. They are not in the current catalog. They still sell Telescoping Lids (These are Great! I have some.) and hive bottoms (Not so great, they warp and flex when moved, and let bees get out when moving hives. Some of mine have become brittle with age and broke when struck accidentally.) I think they might also sell plastic inner covers. From vsp@flash.net Sun Dec 13 14:58:59 EST 1998 Article: 15192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" Reply-To: vsp@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies References: <366D5A3F.32B0@erols.com> <19981211211319.23214.00001212@ng135.aol.com> <6uuc2.34$Bc5.131@news.flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:00:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.64.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 913554011 209.30.64.241 (Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:00:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:00:11 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15192 ANGLIN wrote: > > Kelly Bee Supply (Kentucky) used to sell PlasticHive bodies- I have seen the > Ad's in 1970's Bee magazines. They are not in the current catalog. They > still sell Telescoping Lids (These are Great! I have some.) and hive > bottoms (Not so great, they warp and flex when moved, and let bees get out > when moving hives. Some of mine have become brittle with age and broke when > struck accidentally.) I think they might also sell plastic inner covers. Kelly sells only tops, inner covers and bottoms, not the hive bodies. I have not had the problems you describe with the plastic parts from Kelly yet, however mine are only 2 years old and I don't move my hives very often. My first plastic hives (tops, bottoms and bodies) are about 15 years old and in great condition, although they appear to be of the same material as those supplied by Kelly I cannot say for sure. My only complaint about these 15 year old tops is some warping but is solved with extra weight on the lids (not bad for 15 years of sevice). Victor From e-jeve@spiritone.com Sun Dec 13 14:59:00 EST 1998 Article: 15193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.cs.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "gene/janice" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor Date: 6 Dec 1998 05:36:00 GMT Organization: SpiritOne Internet 503-240-8200 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <912922557.660838@ridge.spiritone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ridge.spiritone.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Trace-ISP: 912922557 21951 206.98.120.168 hf5n/F20:r-wrir X-Complaints-To-ISP: abuse@spiritone.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15193 Hi, Can anyone give me an idea of what a 2 frame stainless handcrank extractor is worth. A high & a low for a machine in good condition ? Thank you in advance. Gene From beecrofter@aol.com Sun Dec 13 14:59:01 EST 1998 Article: 15194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: KFC "Honey Sauce" instead of Honey Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Dec 1998 14:05:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <74vt13$54j@journal.concentric.net> Message-ID: <19981213090538.20862.00001690@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15194 > >I like their chicken, but this packet should have HONEY in it. Well if they are using corn syrup for honey I wonder what they use instead of chicken. After all once the batter goes on things look very similar. From allend@internode.net Mon Dec 14 06:14:41 EST 1998 Article: 15195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:35:50 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 16 Message-ID: <750qd6$10h$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <366D5A3F.32B0@erols.com> <19981211211319.23214.00001212@ng135.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.178 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Dec 13 16:35:50 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.178 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15195 In article <19981211211319.23214.00001212@ng135.aol.com>, adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) wrote: > I have one that came in a package of deeps > that I bought. It has no patent or names on , > but I wish I could get a couple of thousand > more like it ... If you want that many, call Richard at 306-374-1716. He is tooling up to make them for the US market and would be happy to have an order to speed him along. I saw a prototype and it looked good. Allen -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Dec 14 06:14:42 EST 1998 Article: 15196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ANGLIN" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <74vt13$54j@journal.concentric.net> <19981213090538.20862.00001690@ng-fd1.aol.com> Subject: Re: KFC "Honey Sauce" instead of Honey Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.61.52 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 913563655 209.69.61.52 (Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:40:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:40:55 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:43:54 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15196 You think this is Bad? Check out "Honey" Flavored barbecue sauces in the grocery store. Most contain little or NO honey. From logcabin@qaiusqa.com Mon Dec 14 06:14:42 EST 1998 Article: 15197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "logcabin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <74vt13$54j@journal.concentric.net> Subject: Re: KFC "Honey Sauce" instead of Honey Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:26:30 -0500 Lines: 48 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.252.117 Message-ID: <3673fda6.0@news.aiusa.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.71.0.51!spamkiller2.cwix.com!pull-feed.cwix.com!news.aiusa.com!208.133.252.117 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15197 Another related story: There is a dollar store in town that a co-worker claimed was selling squeeze bears of honey for 89 cents. When I tried to explain that it was probably not real honey he asked why would anyone want to buy my expensive honey (~$3 for a 1lb in glass) when he could get this stuff.....it's probably the same. I disagreed on deaf ears. Several days later I went to the store and looked at one just to confirm and tell him that it was in fact sugar water, corn syrup, and coloring. I asked him if he would like to do a taste test to compare the two products, he declined. The general public doesn't think about or look at the extensive labels that our federal Gov.. mandates, they see HONEY and that's it. The damage that this type of product and the gossip of such a sale on "honey" was done long before he or I ever saw it and is immeasurable. steve logcabin@qaiusqa.com (remove the q's to respond, NO SPAM!) Charles wrote in message <74vt13$54j@journal.concentric.net>... >I visited my local Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet last week and was surprised to >find with my order 2 packets of Honey Sauce. What is Honey Sauce ? > >Ingredients: Honey, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Sugar, Corn Syrup, Natural >Flavoring, Caramel Color. > >Packaged by: "PPI" - Portion Pack, Inc, Mason, OH 45040 > >If I am going to put honey on my chicken, I want Honey. I am not going to allow >my child to eat this. Is there anything that can be done ?? > >I like their chicken, but this packet should have HONEY in it. > >I found they have a website, but could not find an email contact address. > >Public Affairs Department >KFC Corporation >P.O. Box 32070 >Louisville, KY 40232 >Telephone: 502-874-8353 > > > >To reply to this post, please remove the word REMOVE from my >email address. > From skep615@aol.com Mon Dec 14 06:14:43 EST 1998 Article: 15198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Dec 1998 20:35:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981213153534.09498.00001182@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15198 Tom Speight wrote: > >In article <36728762.2941517@news.gate.net>, dlpaxton@gate.net writes >>Soooo... the question is, why don't we strat useing A. cerana here and >>forget about the mite infestation??? > >Got any good caves or rock overhangs which they can colonise? According to Roger A. Morse (p517 of 3rd edition of *Honey Bee Pests, Predators, & Diseases*) Apis cerana "adapts readily to a small version of the Langstroth hive and may be managed as far as swarm control, queen rearing, and honey production are concerned." And certain of its subspecies have been selected for climates beyond their original Indian subcontinent range, e.g., through China and Japan, though it is being replaced by A. mellifera for commercial production in those latter areas. However, the position of A. cerana as natural host of Varroa jacobsoni makes it unwelcome in areas where A. cerana (and V. jacobsoni) has not yet expanded. Australia recently eradicated a colony of A. cerana which recently was found to have hitched a ride to their shores. No mercy. It was seen as a threat. I don't know about every state in the US, but Illinois has a law against having races of honey bees not accepted as normal by the state dept. of ag. The law was written as a control against africanized colonies, but it stands equally to prevent having and trafficing in any A. mellifera subspecies not already part of normal American beekeeping culture and certainly would also work to prevent Illinois beekeepers from experimenting with A. cerana. And that's just at the state level. Federal law is not going to allow the import of A. cerana. Certainly not by individuals. New species and new subspecies experimentation is off limits to the individual beekeeper. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 at AOL dot COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dlpaxton@gate.net Mon Dec 14 06:14:43 EST 1998 Article: 15199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Native Black Bees Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:17:34 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <366ac7aa.245727@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl6-122.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15199 When I go to the local coffee shop with time to waste I usually look for one of the oldest men in the place to sit near. I can usually strike up a conversation and learn a great deal of information from their "memory lane" discussions. Anyway, I happened upon a gentleman (probably in his late 80's) that had in his younger years spent a great deal of time as a "bee hunter" lureing honey bees with lures and scents and then following them to their hive to retreive the hide into a "domestic" hive with supers. He was kind of sadened when he spoke of the bees being mostly native american honey bees he called "black bees". He blamed himself and others like him for makeing them extinct. He said it was common practice to introduce a "european (italian??) yellow striped" queen to the hive to make them more managable. He says that possibly we would not have all the disease and mite problems if they had enured the temperment of the black bee instead of ending the strain. My question is this, do the black bee (original american honey bee) still exist and has anyone tried to domesticate them without introducing a european queen? Are (were) these bees hardier and less vulneable to todays problems? Big Dave From lithar@midwest.net Mon Dec 14 06:14:44 EST 1998 Article: 15200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!SupernewsUK!supernews.com!SnNA!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weather Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:48:05 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 21 Message-ID: <366ADF75.545B@midwest.net> References: <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net> <3669c80f.0@news3.paonline.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 912966686 .ZFUVYH4M1C20D0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15200 Crispin Foster wrote: > > Here in Central Pennsylvania the temps are hitting upper 60's and lower 70's > for the past week. We've had 4 record high days in the last 7 days. My bees > are coming into the house looking for food. It's all a little ominous. Hope > we can return to more seasonal weather soon. > Crispin Foster > Kent Stienburg wrote in message <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net>... > >Hi All, > > > >Has anyone else been experiencing warmer then usual temperatures? > > >Kent Stienburg Southern Illinois saw 75 deg yesterday, probably 70's again today. Folks around here with allergies are climbing the walls. I cracked a hive (2 brood boxes) open today and the bees boiled out - thought this was supposed to be a low population time of year. AL From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 14 06:14:45 EST 1998 Article: 15201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Date: 6 Dec 1998 20:08:50 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01be38e6$098e3220$9832480c@micron> References: <912922557.660838@ridge.spiritone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.152 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15201 I paid 125 USD about 3 years ago for a 2-frame handcrank stainless that had been used once. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! gene/janice wrote in article <912922557.660838@ridge.spiritone.com>... > Hi, Can anyone give me an idea of what a 2 frame stainless handcrank > extractor is worth. A high & a low for a machine in good condition ? > Thank you in advance. > > Gene > > > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 14 06:14:46 EST 1998 Article: 15202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: 6 Dec 1998 20:06:12 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 36 Message-ID: <01be38e5$aabe0a40$9832480c@micron> References: <366ac7aa.245727@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.152 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15202 Don't believe there is (was) any Apis mellifera native to N. America. To my knowledge the "black" bee is of european decent. Native Americans used to refer to honeybees as "white mans flies". -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! dlpaxton@gate.net wrote in article <366ac7aa.245727@news.gate.net>... > When I go to the local coffee shop with time to waste I usually look > for one of the oldest men in the place to sit near. I can usually > strike up a conversation and learn a great deal of information from > their "memory lane" discussions. > > Anyway, I happened upon a gentleman (probably in his late 80's) that > had in his younger years spent a great deal of time as a "bee hunter" > lureing honey bees with lures and scents and then following them to > their hive to retreive the hide into a "domestic" hive with supers. > > He was kind of sadened when he spoke of the bees being mostly native > american honey bees he called "black bees". He blamed himself and > others like him for makeing them extinct. He said it was common > practice to introduce a "european (italian??) yellow striped" queen to > the hive to make them more managable. He says that possibly we would > not have all the disease and mite problems if they had enured the > temperment of the black bee instead of ending the strain. > > My question is this, do the black bee (original american honey bee) > still exist and has anyone tried to domesticate them without > introducing a european queen? Are (were) these bees hardier and less > vulneable to todays problems? > > Big Dave > From dlpaxton@gate.net Mon Dec 14 06:14:46 EST 1998 Article: 15203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:33:07 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <36745c4b.3602955@news.gate.net> References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com> <36728762.2941517@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl6-51.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15203 On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:23:47 +0000, Tom Speight wrote: >Got any good caves or rock overhangs which they can colonise? So, in other words they have never been domesticated and only live in caves and rock overhangs? I would have figured every breed of Apis had been domesticated somewhere down the line by now. Big Dave From dnorth@dreamscape.com Mon Dec 14 06:14:47 EST 1998 Article: 15204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.clark.net!206.132.26.41!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update on Formic Acid? Date: 14 Dec 1998 02:30:21 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01be2709$a27f6740$9e0dc6cf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.198.13.158 X-Trace: 913602622 8RF7/NFADD 9ECFC6C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15204 Does anyone have an update on the use of FOrmic acid in the states? Last I knew, Betterbee was granted the rights (not sure if thats the right word) to produce a safe way to administer this to our bees. We could really use this to help keep the mites in control. From beecrofter@aol.com Tue Dec 15 05:26:48 EST 1998 Article: 15205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Just wondering Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Dec 1998 22:53:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3669492B.2F9F3435@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <19981206175316.23934.00002655@ng121.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15205 > >Is this to say that you sprinkled granulated sugar on the top side of the >inner >cover?? Well any condensate makes it easy enough for the bees to use. And when they run through their stores they are in the top of the boxes anyway. I have heard of folks making candy and filling an inner cover with that and placing it over the hives too. But I have created enough kitchen disaters after extracting over a ton of honey as it is. Don't see why it wouldn't work out your way tho. Tom in CT From Curtiscrow@worldnet.att.net Tue Dec 15 05:26:48 EST 1998 Article: 15206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: 7 Dec 1998 02:39:07 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <74ff4b$brb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <366ac7aa.245727@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.11.227 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15206 My understanding is that their were no "native american" honey bees that produced the kinds of surplus honey crop that the strains brought over by the colonists did. /C.Crowell From dverville@worldnet.att.net Tue Dec 15 05:26:49 EST 1998 Article: 15207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ulee's Gold on HBO Date: 6 Dec 1998 19:50:37 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01be2152$40537a00$6cb44f0c@unfltdds> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.180.108 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15207 Peter Fonda triumphs in this award-winning, highly acclaimed portrayal of a sternly independent beekeeper in rural Florida whose lonely life is about to be changed forever. Grieving over his wife's untimely death, Ulee Jackson retreats further into solitude after drugs destroy the lives of his son and daughter-in-law. Caring for his abandoned granddaughters, and facing danger and catastrophe, he rediscovers the joys of family and the rewards of love. "Warm, wise, and exquisitely wrought" (N.Y. Daily News). Directed by Victor Nunez (Ruby in Paradise).     Mon, Dec 7 6:30 pm HBOP East   Mon, Dec 7 8:30 pm HBOP Mtn   Mon, Dec 7 9:30 pm HBOP West   Sun, Dec 13 12:45 am HBOS East Sun, Dec 13 3:45 am HBOS West   Tue, Dec 15 9:00 am HBOP East   Tue, Dec 15 11:00 am HBOP Mtn   Tue, Dec 15 12:00 pm HBOP West   Sat, Dec 19 6:00 pm HBOS East   Sat, Dec 19 9:00 pm HBOS West   Fri, Dec 25 11:30 am HBOP East   Fri, Dec 25 1:30 pm HBOP Mtn   Fri, Dec 25 2:30 pm HBOP West   Thu, Dec 31 5:15 pm HBOS East   Thu, Dec 31 8:15 pm HBOS West    From behomet@home.com Tue Dec 15 05:26:50 EST 1998 Article: 15208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news2.best.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Behomet" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <10947-36676BE3-124@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Just wondering Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:39:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.77.250 X-Complaints-To: news@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.fl.home.com 912976794 24.3.77.250 (Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:39:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:39:54 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15208 If and only if you have spare super FULL of honey would I move them down, because bees move up through the comb and so stores need to be above them. And you don't want too big a hive when the cold does set in or the bees will have a harder time staying warm. I would leave them in the upper chamber, if you don't have full comb, and feed them as much as they will take. There are still some new flowers around that are also confused by the warm weather, so that may be where to bees are getting pollen. From behomet@home.com Tue Dec 15 05:26:50 EST 1998 Article: 15209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news2.best.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Behomet" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <366ac7aa.245727@news.gate.net> Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:39:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.77.250 X-Complaints-To: news@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.fl.home.com 912976794 24.3.77.250 (Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:39:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:39:54 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15209 Correct that to "I have seen a sort of bee"...I don't have these bees From skep615@aol.com Tue Dec 15 05:26:51 EST 1998 Article: 15210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Dec 1998 00:03:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <366ac7aa.245727@news.gate.net> Message-ID: <19981206190355.22936.00002947@ng124.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15210 Big Dave wrote: > >My question is this, do the black bee (original american honey bee) >still exist and has anyone tried to domesticate them without >introducing a european queen? Are (were) these bees hardier and less >vulneable to todays problems? All Apis mellifera were first brought to the Americas from Europe. The reason any could be perceived as "native" American bees was that they swarmed over their new territory, apparently faster than the rate of European settlement, so the honey trees and wild swarms were there waiting for the "pale face" to discover. As for their hardiness in the face of today's problems... All the reports are that feral colonies are at a low level now. That doesn't seem very hardy to me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 at AOL dot COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dublgully@worldnet.att.net Tue Dec 15 05:26:51 EST 1998 Article: 15211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "David Gaida" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weather Date: 7 Dec 1998 00:07:12 GMT Organization: AT&T Lines: 36 Message-ID: <01be2175$624f3180$285c4c0c@dgaidahpc.qp.att.com> References: <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net> <3669c80f.0@news3.paonline.com> <366ADF75.545B@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.92.40 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15211 I was out checking the bees and nature. Forsythias are budding, honeysuckle bush has buds that are thinking about opening soon, tulip tips are out about 1/2". And the bees are trying to work the dandelions. Ominous? To say the least. Judy in Kentucky, USA AL wrote in article <366ADF75.545B@midwest.net>... > Crispin Foster wrote: > > > > Here in Central Pennsylvania the temps are hitting upper 60's and lower 70's > > for the past week. We've had 4 record high days in the last 7 days. My bees > > are coming into the house looking for food. It's all a little ominous. Hope > > we can return to more seasonal weather soon. > > Crispin Foster > > Kent Stienburg wrote in message <366228B8.7BF3@kingston.net>... > > >Hi All, > > > > > >Has anyone else been experiencing warmer then usual temperatures? > > > >Kent Stienburg > > > > Southern Illinois saw 75 deg yesterday, probably 70's again today. Folks > around here with allergies are climbing the walls. I cracked a hive (2 > brood boxes) open today and the bees boiled out - thought this was > supposed to be a low population time of year. > > AL > From adamf@vt.edu Tue Dec 15 05:26:52 EST 1998 Article: 15212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed2.news.digex.net!digex!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: 14 Dec 1998 08:20:28 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <752hoc$id6$1@golux.radix.net> References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port18.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15212 In article <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com>, SKEP615 wrote: >But it is part of a >heritage of "survival of the fittest" over unknown lengths of time. Interesting. Studies have shown that the co-evolution of parasites and hosts illustrate that the less fit parasites are favored over the more fit ones--the more fit parasites eliminate their hosts. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From samduke@farlep.net Tue Dec 15 05:26:53 EST 1998 Article: 15213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!tenet!news.odessa.net!Kaktus.farlep.net!not-for-mail From: "samduke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: šļóōļńīīļ šļėõšįåķ śåņīļ÷łå ÷ āļģųūéč ėļģéžåóō÷įč Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:31:58 -0000 Organization: Farlep Internet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <74glch$800$1@Kaktus.farlep.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: l108.farlep.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15213 śÅŅĪĻ ĒŅÅŽÉČÉ ÄĢŃ ÓĻĀÓŌ×ÅĪĪĻĒĻ ŠŅĻÉŚ×ĻÄÓŌ×Į šŪÅĪÉĆĮ ĘÕŅĮÖĪĮŃ ńŽĶÅĪŲ ĘÕŅĮÖĪŁŹ śÅŅĪĻ ŠĻÄÓĻĢĪÅŽĪÉĖĮ šŪÅĪÉĆĮ ŠŅĻÄĻ×ĻĢŲÓŌ×ÅĪĪĮŃ (ĖĢ.min 25,ŠŅĻŅĻÓŪÅÓŌŲ ĪÅ ÄĻŠÕÓĖĮÅŌÓŃ) ŌÅĢ\ĘĮĖÓŁ 0482 234923 496391 E-mail:samduke@farlep.net From swheaton@ix.netcom.com Tue Dec 15 05:26:53 EST 1998 Article: 15214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:29:55 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 34 Message-ID: <367520E3.7AA98759@ix.netcom.com> References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com> <752hoc$id6$1@golux.radix.net> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.223.186.136 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Dec 14 8:30:13 AM CST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15214 Factually correct, deduction invalid. True of al invading organic forms. This is survival of the fittest. Fit does not mean strong. This is smart behavior, whether intelligent or not. This smart behavior is what enables them to survive. There are correlations with viruses (viri?) - some extremely virulent viruses kill their host so quickly (some African and South American viruses) that they defeat their own progagation while others don't harm their host for many years increasing their propagation - such as the HIVs. I am not sure quite how these objective observations fit into the world of creationism. Simon Adam Finkelstein wrote: > In article <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com>, > SKEP615 wrote: > >But it is part of a > >heritage of "survival of the fittest" over unknown lengths of time. > > Interesting. Studies have shown that the co-evolution of parasites and > hosts illustrate that the less fit parasites are favored over the more fit > ones--the more fit parasites eliminate their hosts. > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From tceisele@mtu.edu Tue Dec 15 05:26:54 EST 1998 Article: 15215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergy Question Date: 7 Dec 1998 13:28:10 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <74gl5a$gj1$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <36698785.4192690@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: zagnut.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.5] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15215 Steve Newport wrote: : Can people who are at risk of a full anaphalctic attack from bee : stings, eat honey ? : I would have thought that the presence of protein from the bees in : honey would trigger the attack ? According to the last chapter of "The Hive and the Honey Bee", there's no connection between allergies to bee *venom*, and allergies to bee body proteins or honey. So, someone who is allergic to bee venom (even dangerously allergic) should be no more likely to have problems with eating honey than any randomly-selected person. If you are interested in this sort of thing, I'd recommend getting hold of a copy of "The Hive and the Honey Bee" and reading that last chapter. It covers the topic in far more detail than is possible in newsgroup postings, and is pretty easy to understand as well. It's amazing the number of things that "everybody knows" about beesting allergy that just aren't so. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From skep615@aol.com Tue Dec 15 05:26:55 EST 1998 Article: 15216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Dec 1998 16:39:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36745c4b.3602955@news.gate.net> Message-ID: <19981214113914.21469.00000216@ng128.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15216 Big Dave wrote: > >So, in other words they have never been domesticated and only live in >caves and rock overhangs? I would have figured every breed of Apis had >been domesticated somewhere down the line by now. > Technically speaking, no species of Apis, including the approximately 26 races of Apis mellifera, has been domesticated. There is no evidence that they learn to recognize a human master. Nor are they held in captivity. Nor do they learn dependence on humans when they are "kept" in a human-made and -provided hive. Rather, humans use knowledge of their biology to exploit their productive potential. That is not domestication. That aside. Only A. mellifera and A. cerana among the Apis species have been hived and intensively managed by humans. The US Dept. of Ag. made an attempt with A. dorsata, the giant bee, about a hundred years ago. Unsuccessfully. For, A. dorsata, along with the related A. laboriosa, A. florea (the dwarf bee) and the related A. andrenformis, have not successfully adapted to life in enclosed spaces. These are the bees whose natural living condition are largely in the open with the protection only of overhanging branches or cliff overhangs, e.g. However, despite the lack of success hiving and "managing" these Apis species, their honey has been and still is harvested from "the wild." One "production" problem, however, is that each colony of A. dorsata, A. laboriosa, A. florea, and A. andrenformis forms only a single comb rather than a multi-comb colony. On a per-colony basis, they don't produce much honey. Of further interest though no economic importance under modern situations, in the tropics and warmer subtropics the genus Meliponini, a group of honey-producing stingless bees have been kept in hives and used for honey production since prehistoric times. Still in minimal use in some areas. Also a small producer compared to A. mellifera. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 at AOL dot COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From floridagen@aol.com Tue Dec 15 05:26:55 EST 1998 Article: 15217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: floridagen@aol.com (FloridaGen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee equipments Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Dec 1998 17:00:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981214120017.01481.00002009@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15217 Dear Sirs: I am very interested in bee products and equipments. Please send me more informations where I can purchase those products. Thanks, Best Regards, Larrissa Zapparolli From anglin@mi.verio.com Tue Dec 15 05:26:56 EST 1998 Article: 15218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ANGLIN" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01be2709$a27f6740$9e0dc6cf@default> Subject: Re: Update on Formic Acid? Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <29cd2.90$g2.1193@news13.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.61.52 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 913657534 209.69.61.52 (Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:45:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:45:34 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:48:34 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15218 Last I heard that it is still pending... We had a presentation gven on formic acid at last springs Michigan State University Agricultural Week Beekeepers meting. I hear it works, but it rusts the nails out of your frames and bodies, and may shorten queen life. I guess it's always a trade off. Any experienced people out here who can comment for sure? mrnorth wrote in message <01be2709$a27f6740$9e0dc6cf@default>... >Does anyone have an update on the use of FOrmic acid in the states? Last I >knew, Betterbee was granted the rights (not sure if thats the right word) >to produce a safe way to administer this to our bees. We could really use >this to help keep the mites in control. > From lili_krezel@stortek.com Tue Dec 15 05:26:56 EST 1998 Article: 15219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!199.117.161.1!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!news.stortek.com!not-for-mail From: Lili Krezel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supers Sticking Together Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:34:35 -0500 Organization: Storage Technology Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: guido.stortek.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15219 Yesterday I opened my hives to remove the Apistan. Sunny, slight breeze, 47 deg. F here in southern Great Lakes region. Odd weather for December, and the girls were "boiling" as described by other posters recently, and very active in the top super. However, I COULD NOT lift the super (medium) off the brood chamber below. I carefully worked all the way around the edges with the hive tool to break the seal. I slid the flat edge of the tool between the supers to slice any comb the bees may have built above the bottom frames, but it seems a standard hive tool is too short to reach half- way across the super. When I tried to lift the top super, the bottom tried to come with it, lifting right off the bottom board. I finally gave up as the bees were becoming very agitated by the disturbance. Does anyone else experience this? Are there longer hive tools available? I believe the bees have enough room so it is not overcrowding causing them to build comb between supers. When I put the Apistan in, I also had this problem, but was able to cut through with the hive tool. I had not encountered this with other colonies. Any ideas? I have to get those strips out! From tech1@swine.net Tue Dec 15 05:26:57 EST 1998 Article: 15220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-pen-3.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news3.infoave.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: tech1@swine.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Game Server Offers Free Services Date: 14 Dec 1998 21:36:01 GMT Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7540c1$c6r$4@news3.infoave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.236.116 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 913671361 12507 206.28.236.116 (14 Dec 1998 21:36:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 1998 21:36:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15220 One of the largest agricultural sites on the Internet has a brand new look, several new sponsors and an auction site for bidders and buyers. Check it out now! http://www.swine.net From adamf@vt.edu Fri Dec 18 05:03:48 EST 1998 Article: 15221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: 14 Dec 1998 18:56:16 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <753n0g$cs$1@golux.radix.net> References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com> <752hoc$id6$1@golux.radix.net> <367520E3.7AA98759@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port25.annex4.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15221 In article <367520E3.7AA98759@ix.netcom.com>, Simoun wrote: >Factually correct, deduction invalid. >True of al invading organic forms. This is survival of the fittest. Fit does >not mean strong. This is smart behavior, whether intelligent or not. This >smart behavior is what enables them to survive. There are correlations with >viruses (viri?) - some extremely virulent viruses kill their host so quickly >(some African and South American viruses) that they defeat their own >progagation while others don't harm their host for many years increasing their >propagation - such as the HIVs. > >I am not sure quite how these objective observations fit into the world of >creationism. "Fit" in evolutionary biology denotes the ability or aptness to produce progeny that then has the ability to _also_ show fitness. Natural selection is not an agent nor does it have any inherent teleological or causal roles: the keywords in describing natural selection are random or chance. Viruses that kill their host, without any possible transfer of genetic code to another host, are not very "fit". This doesn't preclude them >from existing. The essence of natural selection is this exactly: that some life histories are less successful in fitness than others. Attributing intelligence to viruses is somewhat anthropomorphic, wouldn't you say? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:49 EST 1998 Article: 15222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!skynet.be!207.115.59.8.MISMATCH!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: medium supers Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:54:08 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 12 Message-ID: <754558$41g0$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <3672E6E0.682E@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb111-02.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 14 Dec 1998 22:57:44 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/5962bdc0e7c0f0bc X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15222 I use them for overwintering here in Mass. They are not called medium supers but Illinois supers. They are about an inch + higher than the medium super and consequently the frames hold more honey. I use three per hive for overwintering. I started this procedure when I was younger in preparation for my retirement years when I would not want to lift the filled deep supers. I've "arrived" after 40 years of beekeeping and I have never regretted using Illinois supers. Kelly and Sons in Clarkson, KY carry them, made of cypress, at a reasonable price. You could also do nearly as well with a deep and an Illinois super for a hive. It makes an excellent pollinating hive in every way. From beecrofter@aol.com Fri Dec 18 05:03:49 EST 1998 Article: 15223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: medium supers Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Dec 1998 00:33:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <754558$41g0$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID: <19981214193333.10894.00002020@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15223 What I call a medium super is 6-5/8" Is that also the dimensions of the Illinois? From beeman@kingston.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:50 EST 1998 Article: 15224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: light hives Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:50:07 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3675B1F4.3D87@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.119 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 913672279 VRL06/YYI3477CDD2C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15224 Hi all, I just came in from checking the hives and a few of them seem light for this early into the winter. I was going to put a feeder and give them a shot of 2:1 syrup but I don't think its warm enough for the bees to go and get it (3 C 37 f). Is there another way to get the food to them? Thanks Kent Stienburg From cheatherly@mms.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:50 EST 1998 Article: 15225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3675B026.2C99@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly Organization: Heatherly & Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together References: <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:41:10 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.203 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 913682884 166.82.249.203 (Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:48:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:48:04 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15225 Lili Krezel wrote: > > Yesterday I opened my hives to remove the Apistan. Sunny, slight breeze, > 47 deg. F here in southern Great Lakes region. Odd weather for December, > and the girls were "boiling" as described by other posters recently, > and very active in the top super. > > However, I COULD NOT lift the super (medium) off the brood chamber > below. I carefully worked all the way around the edges with the hive > tool to break the seal. I slid the flat edge of the tool between the > supers to slice any comb the bees may have built above the bottom > frames, but it seems a standard hive tool is too short to reach half- > way across the super. When I tried to lift the top super, the bottom > tried to come with it, lifting right off the bottom board. I finally > gave up as the bees were becoming very agitated by the disturbance. > > Does anyone else experience this? Are there longer hive tools available? > I believe the bees have enough room so it is not overcrowding causing > them to build comb between supers. When I put the Apistan in, I also > had this problem, but was able to cut through with the hive tool. I had > not encountered this with other colonies. > > Any ideas? I have to get those strips out! In response to your question about why the supers are stuck together. The bees manufacture a glue like substance called "propolis." They use this to adhere stuff together and also to "sterilize" certain parts of the hive because it contains an anti-bacterial agent. This is a normal part of the bee hive that you have to deal with. Charles Heatherly cheatherly@mms.net From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Dec 18 05:03:51 EST 1998 Article: 15226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Marry Christmas Ya'll Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Dec 1998 02:43:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <753n0g$cs$1@golux.radix.net> Message-ID: <19981214214325.07081.00005980@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15226 >"Fit" in evolutionary biology denotes the ability or aptness to produce >progeny that then has the ability to _also_ show fitness. > >Attributing intelligence to viruses is somewhat anthropomorphic, wouldn't >you say? > Damn..... Thar them fellers go a usin them big words again.........an this close ta christmas at that !! MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL YA'LL FOLKS OUT THAR FROM BIG JOHNSON LITTLE NANCY MA MEL and his honor Flash the WONDER BASSETT Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dashhound@webtv.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:51 EST 1998 Article: 15227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.he.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: dashhound@webtv.net (troy crumrine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: yellow clover and alfalfa Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:32:35 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 23 Message-ID: <24094-366BE703-9@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-737223435-1833 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAsZraAE2VXFOc4SlPLMK6YLMS3RcCFQCCxuuq+aEIfvz9y+gTiZJMNYmzoA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15227 --WebTV-Mail-737223435-1833 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit if bees have access to both does it does it spoil honey flavor i have 1/4 acre that i installed water system i wanted to plant both to feed horses but i dont want to spoil honey (o what to doo) please advise thanks troy --WebTV-Mail-737223435-1833 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-737223435-1833-- From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:52 EST 1998 Article: 15228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEEMOFLAGE Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:08:07 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <366c074a.38187787@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.38.96 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.38.96 Lines: 60 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.38.96 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15228 *FYI* Something you can try. From the B-List Beemoflage This may be of interest to people on the list. My latest bee suit was purchased from the local army surplus store. p> Jungle green pattern camo.Made of rip-stop material,loose comfortable fit, and all under $20.00. The interesting thing about this bee suit is the bee can't see me. When wearing my regular yard garb,jeans and a long sleeved white shirt,by the time I worked through the yard (40 hives) my clothes had numerous stingers and about 20-30 guard bees relentlesly bouncing off my veil even after walking 50 yards from the hives. Beeing scented by all the stingers the bees would not let me get in the truck alone. When wearing beecamo there are no stingers,clingers or followers. The pattern is designed to break up the image and outline of the wearer,if I stand still the bees loose track of me and go back to there hives.The desert pattern works just as well and is a little cooler under the blazing Texas summer sun. Try this and let me know if you have a similar experience.As a side note, how are the moth traps working? reply to cspacek@flash.net We once had a beekeeper neighbor who heard voices that told him what days he should light his bee smoker and more times then not you would see he and his son out working their bees without the use of a smoker. One day I decided to see how they did it and stopped and walked out to watch them work. Sure enough they did not have a smoker going and were working away in the bee hives. I guess the voices they heard did not include me as I soon was under fearless attack and beat a hasty with drawl promising next time I visited them on a non smoker day to bring a heavy duty bee suite and a veil as I assume the voices told them too. In any case I hope many will try the BEEMOFLAGE and report back on their experience as it sounds like a good thing if it works and as most of the beekeepers are known to be right wing extremists it will look natural to the public to see us all dressed up ready for action. Chow, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com See the bees fly use NetScape v.4.x (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:52 EST 1998 Article: 15229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:48:13 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 50 Message-ID: <01be27dd$ed7cfe40$9c2d480c@default> References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com> <752hoc$id6$1@golux.radix.net> <754lc7$840$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.156 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15229 Well Jack, they even get you when you're dead. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <754lc7$840$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > In article <752hoc$id6$1@golux.radix.net>, > adamf@vt.edu wrote: > > In article <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com>, > > SKEP615 wrote: > > >But it is part of a > > >heritage of "survival of the fittest" over unknown lengths of time. > > > > Interesting. Studies have shown that the co-evolution of parasites and > > hosts illustrate that the less fit parasites are favored over the more fit > > ones--the more fit parasites eliminate their hosts. > > > > Adam > > Adam, et al, > > I would argue that any parasite that routinely kills its host (so as to > diminish host population viability) is not the least fit to be a parasite (of > that host). The perhaps most nearly perfect example of the "ideal" parasite > is the USA Internal Revenue Service which bears a strong lean toward sucking > nearly all the life out of its many hosts (taxpayers) each year but letting > them live and regain enough strength so the process may be repeated the next > year and every year thereafter "til death do us part." > > -- > Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com > Country Jack's Honeybee Farm > Onsted, MI > USA > http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:53 EST 1998 Article: 15230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:56:54 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01be27df$242446a0$9c2d480c@default> References: <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.156 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15230 After freeing the super around the edges, try to twist or rotate it to shear the ladder comb. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Lili Krezel wrote in article <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com>... > Yesterday I opened my hives to remove the Apistan. Sunny, slight breeze, > 47 deg. F here in southern Great Lakes region. Odd weather for December, > and the girls were "boiling" as described by other posters recently, > and very active in the top super. > > However, I COULD NOT lift the super (medium) off the brood chamber > below. I carefully worked all the way around the edges with the hive > tool to break the seal. I slid the flat edge of the tool between the > supers to slice any comb the bees may have built above the bottom > frames, but it seems a standard hive tool is too short to reach half- > way across the super. When I tried to lift the top super, the bottom > tried to come with it, lifting right off the bottom board. I finally > gave up as the bees were becoming very agitated by the disturbance. > > Does anyone else experience this? Are there longer hive tools available? > I believe the bees have enough room so it is not overcrowding causing > them to build comb between supers. When I put the Apistan in, I also > had this problem, but was able to cut through with the hive tool. I had > not encountered this with other colonies. > > Any ideas? I have to get those strips out! > From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Fri Dec 18 05:03:54 EST 1998 Article: 15231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:34:31 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 32 Message-ID: <754lc7$840$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com> <752hoc$id6$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.21 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 15 03:34:31 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x3.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15231 In article <752hoc$id6$1@golux.radix.net>, adamf@vt.edu wrote: > In article <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com>, > SKEP615 wrote: > >But it is part of a > >heritage of "survival of the fittest" over unknown lengths of time. > > Interesting. Studies have shown that the co-evolution of parasites and > hosts illustrate that the less fit parasites are favored over the more fit > ones--the more fit parasites eliminate their hosts. > > Adam Adam, et al, I would argue that any parasite that routinely kills its host (so as to diminish host population viability) is not the least fit to be a parasite (of that host). The perhaps most nearly perfect example of the "ideal" parasite is the USA Internal Revenue Service which bears a strong lean toward sucking nearly all the life out of its many hosts (taxpayers) each year but letting them live and regain enough strength so the process may be repeated the next year and every year thereafter "til death do us part." -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:54 EST 1998 Article: 15232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marry Christmas Ya'll Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:02:01 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3675DF39.6F9C4D29@valley.net> References: <753n0g$cs$1@golux.radix.net> <19981214214325.07081.00005980@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-111.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: Hk1BeeMan Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15232 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > Damn..... Thar them fellers go a usin them big words again.........an this > close ta christmas at that !! > > MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL YA'LL FOLKS OUT THAR FROM > BIG JOHNSON > LITTLE NANCY > MA MEL > and his honor Flash the WONDER BASSETT > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC and merry christmas to you, too, kevin [and everyone else], from me and cord, the sometimes wonder chow. cord actually writes all my emails. it explains my non-use of caps, seeing as how he doesn't have opposable thumbs for the shift keys. just in case anyone has wondered. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:55 EST 1998 Article: 15233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:55:53 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3675DDC9.3D3D6ECB@valley.net> References: <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-111.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15233 Lili Krezel wrote: > [snip] > However, I COULD NOT lift the super (medium) off the brood chamber > below. I carefully worked all the way around the edges with the hive > tool to break the seal. I slid the flat edge of the tool between the > supers to slice any comb the bees may have built above the bottom > frames, but it seems a standard hive tool is too short to reach half- > way across the super. When I tried to lift the top super, the bottom > tried to come with it, lifting right off the bottom board. I finally > gave up as the bees were becoming very agitated by the disturbance. > > Does anyone else experience this? Are there longer hive tools available? > I believe the bees have enough room so it is not overcrowding causing > them to build comb between supers. When I put the Apistan in, I also > had this problem, but was able to cut through with the hive tool. I had > not encountered this with other colonies. > > Any ideas? I have to get those strips out! greetings, if it's propolis build up, you've just got to keep working at one corner, until you can break the seal. sometimes, it ain't easy. however, if the boxes have become stuck together from comb built up between frames, and the frames are pretty well glued to the the boxes from propolis or comb or both, then you might try twisting the upper box horizontally, rather than trying to lift it vertically, sort of like removing a twist off bottle cap. this has worked for me to break the comb without damaging either the frames or the boxes. you may have to hold the lower box steady with your legs, while you twist the upper box. good exercise, if nothing else. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From lithar@midwest.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:56 EST 1998 Article: 15234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:38:54 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3676120E.34BF@midwest.net> References: <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 913700554 .ZFUVYH4M1C18D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15234 Lili Krezel wrote: > > Yesterday I opened my hives to remove the Apistan. Sunny, slight breeze, > 47 deg. F here in southern Great Lakes region. Odd weather for December, > and the girls were "boiling" as described by other posters recently, > and very active in the top super. > > However, I COULD NOT lift the super (medium) off the brood chamber > below. I carefully worked all the way around the edges with the hive > tool to break the seal. I slid the flat edge of the tool between the > supers to slice any comb the bees may have built above the bottom > frames, but it seems a standard hive tool is too short to reach half- > way across the super. When I tried to lift the top super, the bottom > tried to come with it, lifting right off the bottom board. I finally > gave up as the bees were becoming very agitated by the disturbance. > > Does anyone else experience this? Are there longer hive tools available? > I believe the bees have enough room so it is not overcrowding causing > them to build comb between supers. When I put the Apistan in, I also > had this problem, but was able to cut through with the hive tool. I had > not encountered this with other colonies. > > Any ideas? I have to get those strips out! As you pry one end of the boxes apart insert a stick to keep the boxes apart. Otherwise as soon as they make contact they stick together again - the propolis acts like contact cement. I like the twisting action mentioned in one response to release the brace comb. About two weeks ago I had exactly the same experience you described. Fortunately I did not have strips to remove so I left well enough alone after a short effort to separate the boxes - the bees were really pissed (can I say that on the air?). AL From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:56 EST 1998 Article: 15235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: feral bee was:history of mites?? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:12:55 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <3675fd09.16790674@news.jps.net> References: <36745c4b.3602955@news.gate.net> <19981214113914.21469.00000216@ng128.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.46.171 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.46.171 Lines: 98 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.46.171 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15235 On 14 Dec 1998 16:39:14 GMT, skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) wrote: >Big Dave wrote: >>So, in other words they have never been domesticated and only live in >>caves and rock overhangs? I would have figured every breed of Apis had >>been domesticated somewhere down the line by now. Depends on the definition for "domesticated", even the rock bees are used by man in some areas so at those times could they not be considered domesticated. (Like when is sex not sex other then when the President of the United States defines it.) >Technically speaking, no species of Apis, including the approximately 26 races >of Apis mellifera, has been domesticated. There is no evidence that they learn >to recognize a human master. Nor are they held in captivity. Nor do they learn >dependence on humans when they are "kept" in a human-made and -provided hive. >Rather, humans use knowledge of their biology to exploit their productive >potential. That is not domestication. Again depends on how you measure domestication. Feral hives are different from kept hives in one major way, they are the survivors, and by selection they are different in many areas of the US from the hive bees in the same area. Some areas such as the cool California Coast the feral hives soon become black in color which is an advantage to flying in the cool foggy conditions on the coast to sunny bee pasture a mile or so outside of the fog belt. Feral hives in areas of California that have the California Buckeye Tree can be found that are not effected when hive bees will be much effected and suffer complete loss from Buckeye poisonings. Other areas such as New York report other changes and one almost universal change or difference is the lack of AFB which may be resistance by selection. (This is not to say all feral hives are AFB clean even as I have never cut a bee tree with AFB I am sure someone else has but the number is small for sure. Feral hives have not been studied long term in most areas of the US and the lack of useful long term information is a real time failure of our research system and has caused some wild claims on the demise of feral honeybees when sparse population data exists and this should not be extrapolated from one area of the US to another but has been thanks to hungry newspapers and copy cat bee scientists.) >That aside. Only A. mellifera and A. cerana among the Apis species have been >hived and intensively managed by humans. The US Dept. of Ag. made an attempt >with A. dorsata, the giant bee, about a hundred years ago. Unsuccessfully. For, >A. dorsata, along with the related A. laboriosa, A. florea (the dwarf bee) and >the related A. andrenformis, have not successfully adapted to life in enclosed >spaces. >These are the bees whose natural living condition are largely in the >open with the protection only of overhanging branches or cliff overhangs, e.g. In some areas of the dry south west it is common to find feral bees or escaped hive bees that adapt the living conditions of open air such as overhanging branches, cliff overhangs, and highway overpasses. Even hive bees when crowded will build comb outside the hive which is much more common today with so many hives on palettes that have space for comb building, fire ants and an occasional rattle snake which may kill you if it strikes you right between the eyes when you are looking for those "killer" fire ants and wild honey combs. (It is reported that "killer" fire ants in Texas and Florida kill 20 people per year which is more then all honeybee stings in all the states of the US are given credit for.) >However, despite the lack of success hiving and "managing" these Apis species, >their honey has been and still is harvested from "the wild." One "production" >problem, however, is that each colony of A. dorsata, A. laboriosa, A. florea, >and A. andrenformis forms only a single comb rather than a multi-comb colony. >On a per-colony basis, they don't produce much honey. This may be true but depends on your perspective and I believe the honey harvesters that number in the tens of thousands in several areas of the world have a different opinion on this subject then we do. >Of further interest though no economic importance under modern situations, in >the tropics and warmer subtropics the genus Meliponini, a group of >honey-producing stingless bees have been kept in hives and used for honey >production since prehistoric times. Still in minimal use in some areas. Also a >small producer compared to A. mellifera. Now this one I know and for sure it does not do well in California when it has been introduced which is a violation of the law which proves all is well that ends well. But it is again well to consider the value of all these bees to the pollination of local plants it the areas they are found naturally which could be many times their value as honey producers. Chow, the OLd Drone Los Banos, Calif. http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From NTS1@ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 18 05:03:57 EST 1998 Article: 15236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Please Censor Me? Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:26:35 -0600 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <74h6ks$68m@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <366872ec.1639001@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn16-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Dec 07 12:26:36 PM CST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15236 Andy Nachbaur wrote in message <366872ec.1639001@news.jps.net>... >PLEASE CENSOR ME? > >This beekeepers from Idaho would be much happier today if he were just >censored for lying! > >(AP 12-3) BOISE A beekeeper from Carey has been sentenced to 28 >months in prison for making false statements? Check it out at: >http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Andy dont you mean Censure Which means to rebuke. Not Censor which means to stop publication. I dont think you really want us to stop you >from speaking do you. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. From skid@bway.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:58 EST 1998 Article: 15237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news6.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: skid@bway.net (SKID) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner Question Message-ID: Organization: Skidland Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.73.231.107 X-Trace: news6.ispnews.com 913711357 209.73.231.107 (Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:42:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:42:37 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:42:16 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15237 Hi group; I am very interested in starting beekeeping in my garden. While I've done some research on the internet, I would like to get some opinions on the 'starter kits' I've seen offered and what I should look for when making the purchase. Any general help, opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill From allend@internode.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:58 EST 1998 Article: 15238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: history of mites?? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:10:12 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 18 Message-ID: <755ci2$r70$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <74km2b$eu8$1@strato.ultra.net> <19981209125636.20563.00000075@ng105.aol.com> <752hoc$id6$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 15 10:10:12 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.186 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15238 > >But it is part of a > >heritage of "survival of the fittest" over unknown lengths of time. > > Interesting. Studies have shown that the co-evolution of parasites and > hosts illustrate that the less fit parasites are favored over the more fit > ones--the more fit parasites eliminate their hosts. C'mon Adam. You know that 'fit' does not necessarily mean strongest or meanest. It can also mean the littlest, the most shy, the most co-operative or most able to adapt or find a niche. You're having fun with sematics, right? ;) Allen -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From allend@internode.net Fri Dec 18 05:03:59 EST 1998 Article: 15239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: allend@internode.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Threat to Honey Purity Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:29:03 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <755dld$s41$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 15 10:29:03 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.186 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15239 Visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Analog/ for details on the threat to honey purity worldwide posed by honey analogs. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri Dec 18 05:03:59 EST 1998 Article: 15240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "ANGLIN" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <754558$41g0$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <19981214193333.10894.00002020@ng-cc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: medium supers Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.61.119 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 913702704 209.69.61.119 (Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:18:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:18:24 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:21:19 -0800 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15240 Thats' what Kelly Bee supply calls 'em in their catalog. BeeCrofter wrote in message <19981214193333.10894.00002020@ng-cc1.aol.com>... >What I call a medium super is 6-5/8" >Is that also the dimensions of the Illinois? From amschelp@pe.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:00 EST 1998 Article: 15241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Threat to Honey Purity Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:16:10 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <755dld$s41$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: arlington.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 913738395 5353 216.100.16.33 (15 Dec 1998 16:13:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 1998 16:13:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15241 California already has laws against such adulteration. In article <755dld$s41$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, allend@internode.net says... > Visit > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Analog/ > for details on the threat to honey purity worldwide posed by honey analogs. > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > From amschelp@pe.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:01 EST 1998 Article: 15242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sapphire.mtt.net!news1.bellglobal.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner Question Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:11:47 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: arlington.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 913738133 5353 216.100.16.33 (15 Dec 1998 16:08:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 1998 16:08:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15242 Lots of us think Top Bar Hives are the way to keep bees. These take much less management than the Langstroth hives which fill up very fast and must be extracted quickly and the Top Bar Hives produce fine honey and wax. For further info, see Jim Satterfield's Georgia site: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm In article , skid@bway.net says... > Hi group; > > I am very interested in starting beekeeping in my garden. While I've done > some research on the internet, I would like to get some opinions on the > 'starter kits' I've seen offered and what I should look for when making > the purchase. > > Any general help, opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Bill > From lili_krezel@stortek.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:01 EST 1998 Article: 15243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!199.117.161.1!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!news.stortek.com!not-for-mail From: Lili Krezel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:41:38 -0500 Organization: Storage Technology Corporation Lines: 10 Message-ID: <36767522.767D@stortek.com> References: <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com> <3676120E.34BF@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: guido.stortek.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15243 Thanks to all who answered. I know about propolis, and as I worked the hive tool around the perimeter of the super I inserted a stick in each corner as AL suggested until all the edges of the boxes were free. I'm sure the problem is comb buildup between the boxes --they were building comb over the wires of the excluder too. This weekend I'll try the twisting maneuver several people suggested. Thanks, Lili From crispin@paonline.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:02 EST 1998 Article: 15244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Crispin Foster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <366ac7aa.245727@news.gate.net> Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:31:34 -0500 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.44.31.70 Message-ID: <36767fba.0@news3.paonline.com> X-Trace: 15 Dec 1998 10:26:50 -0500, 207.44.31.70 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed3.news.digex.net!digex!news3.paonline.com!207.44.31.70 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15244 You wrote: >My question is this, do the black bee (original american honey bee) >still exist and has anyone tried to domesticate them without >introducing a european queen? Are (were) these bees hardier and less >vulneable to todays problems? > >Big Dave There are no indigenous honey bees in North America. I'm sure the black bee you describe was just a different strain of european honeybee. The original honeybees brought out by european settlers 350-400 years ago were a darker coloured more defensive bee ("German black bee")than the Italian strain which was introduced about 100 years ago. Thees bees are just as susceptible to the mite infestations as Italians. Hope this helps. Crispin Foster From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:03 EST 1998 Article: 15245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: light hives Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:05:34 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 6 Message-ID: <756j5n$7vra$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <3675B1F4.3D87@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb309-38.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 15 Dec 1998 21:09:11 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/256f4344cc880b58 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15245 Depends on how light they are. A supplement of dried granulated sugar poured around (not in) the inner cover hole has worked for my hives. You judge the amount. The sugar becomes moistened by the moisture given off by the hive. Given in EARLY spring to light hives it has saved mine. From adamshonco@aol.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:03 EST 1998 Article: 15246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Dec 1998 02:57:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36767fba.0@news3.paonline.com> Message-ID: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15246 Does anyone have any living stock of true german black bees in the USA? I ordered some queens advertised as german black , a couple years ago, but they were not. Thanks David From beecrofter@aol.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:04 EST 1998 Article: 15247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Dec 1998 03:15:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36767522.767D@stortek.com> Message-ID: <19981215221505.10895.00003068@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15247 I pry around and get one corner up high enough to wedge a stick or the handle of a bee brush between the boxes. Then I pry the two or three frames I can see through the gap down from the box above. I pry the boxes apart a little more and move the stick over and work my way across. It doesnt take as long as it sounds. From lycopersicum.solanum@wanadoo.fr Fri Dec 18 05:04:04 EST 1998 Article: 15248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!weld.news.pipex.net!bowl.news.pipex.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!krypton.inbe.net!INbe.net!news.belnet.be!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "lycopersicum" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,soc.culture.breton,uk.rec.gardening Subject: Cultures hors-sol, greenhouses Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:05:35 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <755996$aot$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntnts10-30.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:31173 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15248 sci.agriculture.fruit:2497 sci.agriculture.poultry:7374 sci.agriculture.ratites:1425 soc.culture.breton:8900 uk.rec.gardening:1805 Bonjour, Hello, Je Cherche d'autres professionnels en cultures légumičres Hors-sol qui voudrait discuter sur le sujet. I Seek others professionals in vegetable cultures Out - ground that would want to discuss on the subject. E.mail: lycopersicum.solanum@wanadoo.fr q From rnv@btnmail.mozcom.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:05 EST 1998 Article: 15249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.101.68.23!nntp.mozcomusa.com!nntp.mozcom.com!not-for-mail From: Ric Varela Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen rearing Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:57:12 +0800 Organization: Mosaic Communications, Inc., Philippines Lines: 5 Message-ID: <36772F97.DD906A18@btnmail.mozcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.0.125.92 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15249 I would appreciate it very much if you can provide me information on queen bee rearing. From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:05 EST 1998 Article: 15250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Threat to Honey Purity Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:18:36 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <36781a8c.89892682@news.jps.net> References: <755dld$s41$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.58.247 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.58.247 Lines: 69 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.58.247 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15250 On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:16:10 -0800, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: >California already has laws against such adulteration. You are right and I am yet to be convinced that this sugar company, Dhampur in India is a new threat to our Honey industry or wishes us harm in any way but to be honest the arguement that has perked my interest is that they advertise that chemically their product H-ana (Honey-analog) can not be differentiated from honey. I do not believe this, yet, but some beekeepers are saying its so as they have, they say, contacted labs that could not through standard chemical sugar or honey analysis say it was not honey. All should be aware that some labs can not tell the difference between enzyme processed HF or HFC syrups and Honey but these are not the labs that suspicious samples of honey should be sent too. I must also say I have asked the Dhampur Sugar company for a sample of H-ana for analysis and they have shipped it today, they say. I will give it the OLd Drones 98 cent honey test before I send it off for a look see at our friendly sugar company lab who have hopes we beekeepers will prevail in keeping another sugar competitor away from our shores. Sugar today to the growers in the US is a loss and they are receiving 7-15% less then five or six years ago on a much reduced acreage, so they say. One thing for sure the Dhampur cane sugar company does make a product of invert sugar they call a honey-analog or H-ana and their promotion would lead most reasonable people to believe they are selling it to beekeepers and honey packers all over the world to blend with honey 50/50 or 1 to 1 to sell the resulting sugar product as honey.. This sucks or stinks, don't know which is politically correct these days as Clinton gave one or the other a bad name. Anyway this is not right and I would suggest the first cause of action by worried honey producers is to visit the Dhampur web site and let them know what you think after a look see. They don't get that many visitors and I am sure if they were to get some constructive critiques of their businesses practices they would take note of it. The Dhampur company is rated 360 out of the 500 largest companies in India and had sales in 1996 of about 450 million $ US. I suspect or I want to think that something may be lost in the translation from Indian to English and also would not be surprised if the company knows of any problem with honey producers as this product is one of many HF and HFC products that can be fed to bees and they would like to sell you some to do just that. If this easy effort does not work then there is the world trade courts but beekeepers in the US got burned badly when they went into debt to make a successful case against unfair China Honey trade practices when Canadian interests took the honey that could not be shipped to the US by treaty between China and the US and transshipped it to the US as a "Product of Canada" circumventing the ruling against China. This was no small deal and is much bigger in $$ value to US beekeepers then all the Indian HF shipped to the US to this date no matter what you call it. It is interesting to note the interest in Dhampur and Honey-analog has started in Canada but of course we don't want to be unfair as I am sure none of the honey producers there knew anything about the Chinease-Canadian Honey deal or would admit to it. You can find web connections to Dhampur and other information on Honey-analog or H-ana at: http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Chow, the OLd Drone (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From igor@guru.krid.crimea.ua Fri Dec 18 05:04:06 EST 1998 Article: 15251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!glukr!news.sebastopol.ua!cris!not-for-mail From: "Igor Bondarenko" Newsgroups: ally.commerce,news.agriculture,news.misc.agriculture.poultry,odessa.commerce.agro,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.aquaculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: šņļäįöį śÅŅĪĮ 3 ĖĢĮÓÓĮ × ėŅŁĶÕ Date: 15 Dec 1998 13:06:35 GMT Organization: Bank 'Ukraina', Crimean branch Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01be2823$32acbba0$acde87c2@guru.krid.crimea.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: joker.krid.crimea.ua X-Trace: ark.cris.net 913727195 14523 194.93.177.42 (15 Dec 1998 13:06:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.cris.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 1998 13:06:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu news.agriculture:12 news.misc.agriculture.poultry:2 sci.agriculture:31178 sci.agriculture.aquaculture:3 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15251 sci.agriculture.fruit:2498 šņļäįöį śåņīį 3 ėģįóóį - šļ ćåīå 230 ēņé÷åī śį ōļīīõ, ļāųķ 500 ŌĻĪĪ, ÓĻŅŌ - ĻĀŅŁŹ , ÓŌĮĪÄĮŅŌ - ēļóō 9353-90 , ōéš VI - šļäōéš - 3, ėģįóó - 3 , ÷ģįöīļóōų% - 13,8, īįōõņį Ē/Ģ - 786, óōåėģļ÷éäīļóōų - 44 ėģåźėļ÷éīį% - 23,0, éäė - 95 ÅÄÉĪÉĆ ęņįīėļ-üģå÷įōļņ -- ó õ×ĮÖÅĪÉÅĶ āĻĪÄĮŅÅĖĻ éĒĻŅŲ įĢÅĖÓĮĪÄŅĻ×ÉŽ ŌÅĢ:8-06557-60047 , 61594 inmeil :igor@guru.krid.crimea.ua ICQ#:22869286 From twoSTEPranch@webtv.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:07 EST 1998 Article: 15252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!oronet!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.pdxfiber.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: twoSTEPranch@webtv.net (karen hindricks) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: specialty honey Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:14:50 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <14398-3676ED6A-46@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhNttXTNs/NEVPOn11uLUvr+9S0nAhUAuqzx6x/5zpN8i1zZsQ7OciqclZg= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15252 buying specialty honey clover misquite mint mangrove buckwheat any single source honey .buckets only.please e-mail From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:07 EST 1998 Article: 15253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner Question Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:31:14 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 60 Message-ID: <36770D62.A3BBB1CE@valley.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-124.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15253 SKID wrote: > Hi group; > > I am very interested in starting beekeeping in my garden. While I've done > some research on the internet, I would like to get some opinions on the > 'starter kits' I've seen offered and what I should look for when making > the purchase. > > Any general help, opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Bill greetings, i have 2 problems with the 'complete' starter kits i have seen advertised in various magazines and catalogs. the first problem is that they all provide only one deep box. [the exception being the d.e. hive, which provides a deep and a medium super.] given the right conditions, a colony can grow FAST. i have started 3 hives so far [not a statistically significant number, i know, but one takes what one can get], and they have all drawn out the first deep box at least 90% in the first 2 weeks. if i had not had that medium super to hold them over, until the extra boxes i had ordered arrived, i suspect that my first colony would have swarmed, not a pleasant newbie experience, methinks. the second problem i have is that all the kits i've seen include el cheapo canvas or plastic gloves. if you are going to use gloves [and i think most people in this group would recommend them for beginners], then you should get the best quality gloves you can, like goatskin. the canvas and plastic gloves are bulky, and if you jostle your boxes or crush a few bees, because your beginning clumsiness is exacerbated by thick, unwieldy gloves, then you will have unhappy bees. and unhappy bees will not lead to the kind of enjoyable experience that beekeepnig can and should be. so, for what it's worth, i recommend that you order at least a second deep [or equivalent, if you go with all mediums], and 2 or 3 supers, AT THE SAME TIME that you order your kit. this way, you will be able to build the additional boxes after starting the hive and keep up with the growth of your colony. also, ask the supplier if they will swap some top quality gloves for the ones that come in the kit. it will be worth the extra couple of bucks. finally, get yourself a headband. whether you use a hat/veil or a full bee suit, come mid-july you will need it. nothing worse than sweat pouring down your face or through your veil, while your hands are busy holding a frame. ok, there are worse things, but you get my point. finally, finally, i recommend 2 hive tools, one with the wide flat end for prying up boxes with minimal damage and a second, narrower one with a hooked end for prying up frames. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From helmick@webtv.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:08 EST 1998 Article: 15254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:01:03 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9211-3677A0FF-1@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <36767522.767D@stortek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQWrKcO5vKwAVEeTvpMtctLMd306wIUF2z0mF6r+WQouicuG35zYF+R5KM= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15254 I use the narrow end of an Italian hive tool to slip under the end of each frame of the top hive (between the side of frame and side wall of hive), before even trying to move the hive. It's not necessary to take the frame out. You can feel when the frames break loose. Then I give it the half turn. After taking the top hive off, I lean it over enough to scrape off most of the burr comb to keep from smushing bees when I put it back on. It only takes a minute to run down each end and loosen the frames and it doesn't disturb them as much. If it's cold or the bees are particularly contrary, I throw a light wt. towel across the center of hive (very gently of course :^), to keep them in their house as much as possible. From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:09 EST 1998 Article: 15255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Dec 1998 11:57:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <366CAC67.2285@kingston.net> Message-ID: <19981208065711.15748.00001469@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15255 >name of the European species was Apis >mellifera mellifera, "dark german bee". I hope this helps. There are many stories about the history of the " german bee ". The old timers tell of massive hives of these little demons. Demons they were indeed, with terrible attitudes, amazingly able to penetrate even the tightest veil. They were very good honey producers if one was inclined to attempt a harvest. most of the farm hives in early North Carolina were off shoots of thewse little buggers. It is a fact that the honey bee is not native to North America , she came over in skeps with the colonists, became fruitful and multiplied. A hive of the little germans is a joy to observe but i would definately not place it near your home. Saddly my only capture of germans resulted in only a year of observation sine they super seeded their queen and she mated with italians. The hive still occupies it's place in the woods but the true german tendences and that beautiful dark color that allowed you to see pollen from yards away have vanished. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Dec 18 05:04:09 EST 1998 Article: 15256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update on Formic Acid? Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 09:52:15 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 54 Message-ID: <1802E8AD2S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01be2709$a27f6740$9e0dc6cf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15256 In article <01be2709$a27f6740$9e0dc6cf@default> "mrnorth" writes: > >Does anyone have an update on the use of FOrmic acid in the states? Last I >knew, Betterbee was granted the rights (not sure if thats the right word) >to produce a safe way to administer this to our bees. We could really use >this to help keep the mites in control. > Taken from BEE-L@cnsibm.albany.edu: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:15:50 PST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ernest Gregoire Subject: Formic Acid Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Gang, Betterbee called me today with information on a recent order and I could not help myself from asking what the latest news on Formic Acid was. So, here it is: Betterbee has been granted the distributorship for Formic acid (just in case anybody did not know that), and is planning to put it into the 1999 catalog. They are still having packaging proplems, but the product should be available in 1999. Lets hope that this means in the early Spring, and not in December. de AA1IK, Ernie Gregoire R.R. 1, Box 221, South Rd. Canaan, NH. 03741 USA 43.6170 N, X 72.0225 W E-mail address: gregoire@endor.com ------------------------------------- 12/15/98 18:15:50 From tomasmozer@juno.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:10 EST 1998 Article: 15257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:33:54 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3677C4D2.639A@juno.com> References: <36767fba.0@news3.paonline.com> <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.81 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 913826606 OCZ7E7JIA4851D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: AdamsHonCo Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15257 suspect you won't find any true apis mellifera mellifera outside of its native europe, and even there it's existence is controversial...see the bee improvement and bee breeders association website: http://www.angus.co.uk/bibba/ however, feral stock of the originally introduced european dark bee motherlines appears to survive in some parts of the americas, as confirmed by mitochondrial dna analysis, albeit hybridized to a greater or lesser extent over the past few centuries. also see the recent post on feral bees in the "history of mites?" thread: "...Feral hives are different from kept hives in one major way, they are the survivors, and by selection they are different in many areas of the US from the hive bees in the same area." From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:11 EST 1998 Article: 15258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dreaded hive beetle Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:02:31 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Dec 1998 21:06:44 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Dec 16 13:15:02 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust182.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <36781FE7.7070@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15258 The dreaded hive beetle has now been verified in three North Carolina counties. From what I hear, it will not be long until they are found in more. NC State University has several expierments on going that sounds promising. It is also in the works from several states to get a strip used in Europe and made by BAYER approved for use for a year or so(don't remember the agent). It was also noted that the beetle larva eat the rib causing the honey to fall and by using plastic foundation it may help curb the population in that hive. Don in NC From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 18 05:04:11 EST 1998 Article: 15259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:58:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 913848106 nnrp-06:21913 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15259 In article <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com>, Lili Krezel writes >When I tried to lift the top super, the bottom >tried to come with it, lifting right off the bottom board. I finally >gave up as the bees were becoming very agitated by the disturbance. If twisting the super does not break the brace comb, try pulling a peice of nylon fishing line through the joint Like using a cheese wire. -- Tom From woolspin@aol.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:12 EST 1998 Article: 15260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: woolspin@aol.com (Woolspin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marry Christmas Ya'll Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Dec 1998 03:54:14 GMT References: <3675DF39.6F9C4D29@valley.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19981216225414.11325.00001407@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15260 In article <3675DF39.6F9C4D29@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose writes: >it explains my >non-use of caps, seeing as how he doesn't have opposable thumbs for the shift >keys. just in case anyone has wondered. > >bill > >########################################## > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player But the shift keys are pushed with the baby fingers! LOL! My sig should read, don't shoot me I'm only the banjo builder! Patty From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:13 EST 1998 Article: 15261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Threat to Honey Purity Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:32:46 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 93 Message-ID: <36787B5E.EC228823@valley.net> References: <755dld$s41$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36781a8c.89892682@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-128.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15261 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:16:10 -0800, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) > wrote: > > >California already has laws against such adulteration. > > You are right and I am yet to be convinced that this sugar company, > Dhampur in India is a new threat to our Honey industry or wishes us > harm in any way but to be honest the arguement that has perked my > interest is that they advertise that chemically their product H-ana > (Honey-analog) can not be differentiated from honey. > > > Anyway this is not right and I would suggest the first cause of action > by worried honey producers is to visit the Dhampur web site and let > them know what you think after a look see. They don't get that many > visitors and I am sure if they were to get some constructive critiques > of their businesses practices they would take note of it. The Dhampur > company is rated 360 out of the 500 largest companies in India and had > sales in 1996 of about 450 million $ US. I suspect or I want to think > that something may be lost in the translation from Indian to English > and also would not be surprised if the company knows of any problem > with honey producers as this product is one of many HF and HFC > products that can be fed to bees and they would like to sell you some > to do just that. > > > > You can find web connections to Dhampur and other information on > Honey-analog or H-ana at: http://beenet.com/bnews.htm > > Chow, the OLd Drone > > greetings, thanks for the link to dhampur. while, as you say, they may not directly 'have it in' for honey producers, their advertising is, i think, alarming. with only a couple of hives, i am in no way, shape or form a commercial honey producer, and am, in fact, barely one step away from pure newbiehood. but after hanging out at sci.ag.bee for the last year and a half, i have developed a lot of sympathy for commercial and sideline honey producers. if it ain't the mites it's the feds and if it ain't the feds, then it's something like honey-analog. as a consumer, i am p*ssed that such adulteration [which is what the fda would call it, assuming they could identify it], can occur with impunity. finally, dhampur's claims of their product's superiority to natural honey just chaps my *ss, as an old boss of mine used to say. i've copied a portion of their webtext below for others to see. as for me, i am going to write the first letter in my life to my government representatives in washington and ask them, once they are done impeaching or censuring or bombing, to investigate this practice. just for the hell of it, i'll send an email to the fda, too. without having the regs in front of me, i can't be certain, but i'd bet a fair chunk of change that 'blending' processed sugar with honey and calling it pure honey ain't kosher. guess i'll get off my soapbox, now. here's the text from dhampur's site: "DIL Honey Analog combines all the positive features of natural honey while eliminating the negative aspects. The Honey Analog is chemical free as it is developed through enzymatic process only. Natural honey has a wax content which has a harmful effect in large quantities on the human body. This is eliminated in the analog. Further, absence of impurities in the form of pollen makes the Honey Analog a healthier amp; clearer replacement of natural honey. " bill p.s. sorry to snip your post, andy, but had to do it so the original would be shorter than my response, as required. ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From n-vern@uame.com.ua Fri Dec 18 05:04:13 EST 1998 Article: 15262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news1.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.186.254.21!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!glukr!freenews.gu.net!not-for-mail From: "Nikolay Vernitsky" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.chemical,relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.food.drinks,relcom.commerce.food.sweet,relcom.commerce.infoserv,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.stocks,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,s Subject: āåóšģįōīįń äļóėį ļā’ń÷ģåīéź ó ÷ļśķļöīļóōųą šļéóėį Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:34:40 +0200 Organization: Global Ukraine free NNTP site Lines: 23 Message-ID: <75aiv5$9j6$1@hyppo.gu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.93.171.33 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.chemical:121561 relcom.commerce.food:243057 relcom.commerce.food.drinks:56483 relcom.commerce.food.sweet:46660 relcom.commerce.infoserv:54966 relcom.commerce.machinery:147591 relcom.commerce.stocks:33449 relcom.commerce.transport:109585 sci.agriculture:31190 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15262 õ×ĮÖĮÅĶŁÅ ĒĻÓŠĻÄĮ! ņĮÄŁ ÷ĮĶ ÓĻĻĀŻÉŌŲ, ŽŌĻ ĪĮ ÓÅŅ×ÅŅÅ õĖŅĮÉĪÓĖĻŹ ĮĒŅĮŅĪĻŹ ĀÉŅÖÉ ŠĻ ĮÄŅÅÓÕ: http://trade.uame.com.ua/pricelist ĻŌĖŅŁĢĮÓŲ āåóšģįōīįń ÄĻÓĖĮ ĻĀßŃ×ĢÅĪÉŹ, ĪĮ ĖĻŌĻŅĻŹ ÷Ł ĶĻÖÅŌÅ ŅĮŚĶÅÓŌÉŌŲ ÷ĮŪÉ šņåäģļöåīéń ĪĮ ŠĻĖÕŠĖÕ É ŠŅĻÄĮÖÕ ŌĻ×ĮŅĮ (ŠŅĮŹÓ-ĢÉÓŌŁ), Į ŌĮĖÖÅ, ×ĻÓŠĻĢŲŚĻ×Į×ŪÉÓŲ ĘÕĪĖĆÉÅŹ šļéóė, ŠŅĻÓĶĻŌŅÅŌŲ ÕÖÅ ÉĶÅĄŻÉÅÓŃ ŠŅÅÄĢĻÖÅĪÉŃ. ėŅĻĶÅ ŌĻĒĻ, ŠŅĮŹÓ-ĢÉÓŌŁ, ŠĻ ÷ĮŪÅĶÕ ÖÅĢĮĪÉĄ, ĶĻĒÕŌ ĀŁŌŲ āåóšģįōīļ ŅĮŚĶÅŻÅĪŁ × ŠĻÄŠÉÓĪĻĶ ÉŚÄĮĪÉÉ įĪĮĢÉŌÉŽÅÓĖĻĒĻ ĆÅĪŌŅĮ õĖŅĮÉĪÓĖĻŹ ĮĒŅĮŅĪĻŹ ĀÉŅÖÉ "įēņļķļīéōļņ". éĪĘĻŅĶĮĆÉĄ ĻĀ ÜŌĻĶ ÓĶĻŌŅÉŌÅ ĪĮ ÓŌŅĮĪÉĆÅ http://dak.uame.com.ua/subscribeam éŌĮĖ, ŠŅÉĒĢĮŪĮÅĶ ÷ĮÓ ŠĻÓÅŌÉŌŲ ÓŌŅĮĪÉĆÕ ĀÅÓŠĢĮŌĪŁČ ĻĀßŃ×ĢÅĪÉŹ http://trade.uame.com.ua/pricelist īĮÄÅÅĶÓŃ, ŽŌĻ ÉĪĘĻŅĶĮĆÉŃ, ÓĻÄÅŅÖĮŻĮŃÓŃ ŌĮĶ, ŠĻĶĻÖÅŌ ÷ĮĶ ĪĮŹŌÉ ĪĻ×ŁČ ÄÅĢĻ×ŁČ ŠĮŅŌĪÅŅĻ×. įĪĮĢÉŌÉŽÅÓĖÉŹ ĆÅĪŌŅ õĖŅĮÉĪÓĖĻŹ ĮĒŅĮŅĪĻŹ ĀÉŅÖÉ From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:14 EST 1998 Article: 15263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner Question Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:50:26 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: To: SKID X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Dec 1998 20:54:34 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Dec 16 12:55:11 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust182.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <36781D12.2C88@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15263 SKID wrote: > > Hi group; > > I am very interested in starting beekeeping in my garden. While I've done > some research on the internet, I would like to get some opinions on the > 'starter kits' I've seen offered and what I should look for when making > the purchase. > > Any general help, opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Bill You also need an experienced beekeeper to be your guide. Post your location and someone will steer you in the right direction to find one. From tull@kodu.ee Fri Dec 18 05:04:14 EST 1998 Article: 15264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Tull Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:43:37 +0200 Organization: " " Lines: 10 Message-ID: <36758689.A086BC0E@kodu.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: panic.kernel.ee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kadri.ut.ee 913840956 24149 195.50.199.1 (16 Dec 1998 20:42:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.ut.ee NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 1998 20:42:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: panic.kernel.ee!unknown@p51.kodu.ee X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news-stkh.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeed.uninet.ee!news.ut.ee!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15264 Dear Sirs, We should like to import Royal Jelly to Estonia. Please send your offers and payments conditions first 5 kg Royal Jelly. Best regards, Jaanus Tull Meveda Ltd E-mail tull@kodu.ee From helmick@webtv.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:15 EST 1998 Article: 15265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!lsanca1-snf1!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:57:09 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <12069-3678F195-10@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQNkse/+nRrf2pU3r6ZoCxVjimnBgIVAMraeZWkaBP7P4GjyVpiPMh5n8A9 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15265 I just read my posting and realize I didn't use the word 'lever'. Just put the hive tool between the frame and hive body and use the frame next to it for balance. It will pop the frame end up enough to break the bond with the frame below. Hive bodies with ten frames are a little more difficult unless you remove one frame. It's not necessary to break the brace comb between frames unless you want to. Most frames will already be loose enough, but for the ones that are really stuck. Hope this helps. From n-vern@uame.com.ua Fri Dec 18 05:04:16 EST 1998 Article: 15266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-b.ais.net!ais.net!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!glukr!freenews.gu.net!not-for-mail From: "Nikolay Vernitsky" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.chemical,relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.food.drinks,relcom.commerce.food.sweet,relcom.commerce.infoserv,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.stocks,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,s Subject: āåóšģįōīįń äļóėį įēņļļā’ń÷ģåīéź Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:23:42 +0200 Organization: Global Ukraine free NNTP site Lines: 23 Message-ID: <75b7dg$3sj$1@hyppo.gu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.93.171.33 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.chemical:121641 relcom.commerce.food:243121 relcom.commerce.food.drinks:56526 relcom.commerce.food.sweet:46684 relcom.commerce.infoserv:54973 relcom.commerce.machinery:147662 relcom.commerce.stocks:33464 relcom.commerce.transport:109631 sci.agriculture:31191 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15266 õ×ĮÖĮÅĶŁÅ ĒĻÓŠĻÄĮ! ņĮÄŁ ÷ĮĶ ÓĻĻĀŻÉŌŲ, ŽŌĻ ĪĮ ÓÅŅ×ÅŅÅ õĖŅĮÉĪÓĖĻŹ ĮĒŅĮŅĪĻŹ ĀÉŅÖÉ ŠĻ ĮÄŅÅÓÕ: http://trade.uame.com.ua/pricelist ĻŌĖŅŁĢĮÓŲ āåóšģįōīįń ÄĻÓĖĮ ĻĀßŃ×ĢÅĪÉŹ, ĪĮ ĖĻŌĻŅĻŹ ÷Ł ĶĻÖÅŌÅ ŅĮŚĶÅÓŌÉŌŲ ÷ĮŪÉ šņåäģļöåīéń ĪĮ ŠĻĖÕŠĖÕ É ŠŅĻÄĮÖÕ ŌĻ×ĮŅĮ (ŠŅĮŹÓ-ĢÉÓŌŁ), Į ŌĮĖÖÅ, ×ĻÓŠĻĢŲŚĻ×Į×ŪÉÓŲ ĘÕĪĖĆÉÅŹ šļéóė, ŠŅĻÓĶĻŌŅÅŌŲ ÕÖÅ ÉĶÅĄŻÉÅÓŃ ŠŅÅÄĢĻÖÅĪÉŃ. ėŅĻĶÅ ŌĻĒĻ, ŠŅĮŹÓ-ĢÉÓŌŁ, ŠĻ ÷ĮŪÅĶÕ ÖÅĢĮĪÉĄ, ĶĻĒÕŌ ĀŁŌŲ āåóšģįōīļ ŅĮŚĶÅŻÅĪŁ × ŠĻÄŠÉÓĪĻĶ ÉŚÄĮĪÉÉ įĪĮĢÉŌÉŽÅÓĖĻĒĻ ĆÅĪŌŅĮ õĖŅĮÉĪÓĖĻŹ ĮĒŅĮŅĪĻŹ ĀÉŅÖÉ "įēņļķļīéōļņ". éĪĘĻŅĶĮĆÉĄ ĻĀ ÜŌĻĶ ÓĶĻŌŅÉŌÅ ĪĮ ÓŌŅĮĪÉĆÅ http://dak.uame.com.ua/subscribeam éŌĮĖ, ŠŅÉĒĢĮŪĮÅĶ ÷ĮÓ ŠĻÓÅŌÉŌŲ ÓŌŅĮĪÉĆÕ ĀÅÓŠĢĮŌĪŁČ ĻĀßŃ×ĢÅĪÉŹ http://trade.uame.com.ua/pricelist īĮÄÅÅĶÓŃ, ŽŌĻ ÉĪĘĻŅĶĮĆÉŃ, ÓĻÄÅŅÖĮŻĮŃÓŃ ŌĮĶ, ŠĻĶĻÖÅŌ ÷ĮĶ ĪĮŹŌÉ ĪĻ×ŁČ ÄÅĢĻ×ŁČ ŠĮŅŌĪÅŅĻ×. įĪĮĢÉŌÉŽÅÓĖÉŹ ĆÅĪŌŅ õĖŅĮÉĪÓĖĻŹ ĮĒŅĮŅĪĻŹ ĀÉŅÖÉ From igor@guru.krid.crimea.ua Fri Dec 18 05:04:16 EST 1998 Article: 15267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: ally.commerce,crimea.commerce,donbass.commerce,kharkov.commerce,kharkov.commerce.promsnab,kherson.commerce,news.agriculture,odessa.commerce,odessa.commerce.agro,relcom.commerce,sci.agriculture.aquaculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agricul Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!news.crelcom.crimea.ua!cris!news!news From: "Igor Bondarenko" Subject: šŅĻÄĮÖĮ ŚÅŅĪĮ 3 ĖĢĮÓÓĮ × ėŅŁĶÕ X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Sender: news@krid.crimea.ua (Charlie Root) Organization: Bank 'Ukraina', Crimean branch Message-ID: <01be2984$7fa08240$acde87c2@guru.krid.crimea.ua> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: joker.krid.crimea.ua Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:11:35 GMT Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu news.agriculture:14 relcom.commerce:36601 sci.agriculture.aquaculture:4 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15267 šņļäįöį śåņīį 3 ėģįóóį - šļ ćåīå 230 ēņé÷åī śį ōļīīõ, ļāųķ - 370 ŌĻĪĪ, ÓĻŅŌ - ĻĀŅŁŹ , ÓŌĮĪÄĮŅŌ - ēļóō 9353-90 , ōéš VI - šļäōéš - 3, ėģįóó - 3 , ÷ģįöīļóōų% - 13,8, īįōõņį Ē/Ģ - 786, óōåėģļ÷éäīļóōų - 44 ėģåźėļ÷éīį% - 23,0, éäė - 95 ÅÄÉĪÉĆ ęņįīėļ-üģå÷įōļņ éĶÅÅŌÓŃ ÓŠŅĮ×ĖĮ ę - 13 (ÓĖĢĮÄÓĖĮŃ ÓŠŅĮ×ĖĮ Ļ ĪĮĢÉŽÉÉ ŌĻ×ĮŅĮ ĪĮ ČŅĮĪÅĪÉÉ) -- ó õ×ĮÖÅĪÉÅĶ āĻĪÄĮŅÅĖĻ éĒĻŅŲ įĢÅĖÓĮĪÄŅĻ×ÉŽ ŌÅĢ:8-06557-60047 .#. 61594 inmeil :igor@guru.krid.crimea.ua ICQ#:22869286 From flash@starpoint.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:17 EST 1998 Article: 15268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Loader Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:00:55 -0600 Organization: starpoint.net Lines: 36 Message-ID: <75adik$nds$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.108 X-Trace: 913881492 PUMHRGCYS056CCE92C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15268 Hi All, I have decided to make a big jump in number of colonies, I have decided to build my own hive loader. I loaded 60 colonies in 93 degree temp last fall and I didn't want to load the bees like that again. I was hoping if someone has already built a loader they would share their experience with me. I have already collected some of the parts needed, I going to convert a battery operated winch to a hoist, I figure a 5,000 lb winch should pick up to 500 lbs. The motor is reversable ( not polarized ) and I have ordered a couple of relays to make it work in both directions. The hoist will be attached to a trolley ( rated at 1/2 ton), of which I found at northern hydralics, the trolley will work on a I beam that I will swing out from the truck. The problem I have is deciding what size of an I beam to use 3" or 5" and how long shoud I make it. I am thinking the 5" I beam may be a little over kill. The truck I am mounting it to is a 3/4 ton 4 wheel drive pickup, of which I plan on putting a flat bed on. I purchased 4 hive pallets from another beekeeper who was downsizing. I was going to split these into 2 hive pallets, but since my goal is 500 to 800 colonies the year after, I am thinking this my not be a good idea. So I am wondering if anyone has built a loader that can load 4 hives, and at what distance from the truck? I also would prefer to mount the hive loader on the rear of truck so I can also load a small trailer, but I am not sure if this is a good idea. I plan on having the flat bed and hive loader completely finished after christmas, If anyone is interested how it turns out I can post it in january. Elroy All I want for Xmas is Impeachment From @tinet.ie Fri Dec 18 05:04:18 EST 1998 Article: 15269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: light hives Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:52:52 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 17 Message-ID: <75979b$g7j16@spock.tinet.ie> References: <3675B1F4.3D87@kingston.net> <756j5n$7vra$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p177.ennis1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15269 Zadigvolta wrote in message <756j5n$7vra$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... >Depends on how light they are. A supplement of dried granulated sugar >poured around (not in) the inner cover hole has worked for my hives. You >judge the amount. The sugar becomes moistened by the moisture given off by >the hive. Given in EARLY spring to light hives it has saved mine. > > Make some candy by boiling 1 oartsugar to 5 parts water to a temperature of 234 degrees F, and then cooling rapidly stirring until it changes colour and pouring into moulds. Or use Bakers fondant. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie From coneheads@erols.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:18 EST 1998 Article: 15270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Richard L. Simon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plastic hive bodies Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:56:31 -0500 Organization: Coneheads Trading Partners Lines: 17 Message-ID: <366D5A3F.32B0@erols.com> Reply-To: coneheads@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: LlVY7q4+9d43M6sL9VJUJ8qFPCed/OhAoky/xHhehXM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Dec 1998 16:50:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15270 I have the opportunity to acquire several hard plastic hives at a reasonable price. The fact that I don't see new plastic hives for sale makes me concerned that the use of plastic hives might have been an experiment that didn't work. Specifically: Does anyone have any experience with plastic hive bodies? What has been you're experience? Are there problems with condensation? What about American Foulbrood infection of the hives? Can hives be cleaned? What other issues should I be concerned with? Thanks for any input. RLS Cape Cod, MA, USA From beetools@aol.com Fri Dec 18 05:04:19 EST 1998 Article: 15271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!white3.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee "enabling" Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Dec 1998 18:49:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981207210605.07078.00001504@ng-ft1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981208134945.02571.00003740@ng114.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15271 Look at http://members.aol.com/beetools/bumble.htm for a complete set of plans for two different bumble bee house and how to "stock" them. Good luck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:19 EST 1998 Article: 15272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marry Christmas Ya'll Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:58:58 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3679E112.4F0F773F@valley.net> References: <3675DF39.6F9C4D29@valley.net> <19981216225414.11325.00001407@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-110.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15272 Woolspin wrote: > In article <3675DF39.6F9C4D29@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose > writes: > > >it explains my > >non-use of caps, seeing as how he doesn't have opposable thumbs for the shift > >keys. just in case anyone has wondered. > > > >bill > > > >########################################## > > > >don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > But the shift keys are pushed with the baby fingers! LOL! My sig should read, > don't shoot me I'm only the banjo builder! > > Patty wellllllll....he ain't got those, either. unless you count dewclaws. i confused the reason for his inability to ring the bell on his bike [lack of thumbs], with that for his inability to use caps [lack of pinkies]. like i said, he's cord, the sometimes wonder chow. sort of like his human, bill, the sometimes intelligent person. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From mdiver@voy.net Fri Dec 18 05:04:20 EST 1998 Article: 15273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dreaded hive beetle From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 References: <36781FE7.7070@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 37 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.130.174 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 913959409 209.42.130.174 (Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:36:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:36:49 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 05:36:49 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15273 In article <36781FE7.7070@earthlink.net>, dvisrael@earthlink.net says... > >The dreaded hive beetle has now been verified in three North Carolina >counties. From what I hear, it will not be long until they are found in >more. NC State University has several expierments on going that sounds >promising. It is also in the works from several states to get a strip >used in Europe and made by BAYER approved for use for a year or so(don't >remember the agent). It was also noted that the beetle larva eat the rib >causing the honey to fall and by using plastic foundation it may help >curb the population in that hive. >Don in NC > > > From what I have read in articles about the hive beetle, the larva leaves the hive and burrows into the ground to develop to an adult. I think I have one more way of getting rid of this pest. I have used parasitic nematodes for pest control. I used these "grub eaters" for Japanese Beetles in the past with great success. I know longer have the pest of my fruit trees. If they work for Japanese Beetles, why not hive beetles? All you do is put them into a yard sprayer and water your grass and then the "grub eaters" find the grubs and go to town eating and killing the grubs. I've found these "grub eaters" in a magazine called "Gardener's Supply Company". The phone number is 1-800-863-1700, the produst is known as "Grub Guard". They wont ship until they think that your ground is above 55 degrees for the area you live in. I know I'm going to try them around my hives this year to help prevent hive beetles (as of yet, i haven't seen any but just in case). If you try them I hope they help. Good luck. From igor@guru.krid.crimea.ua Tue Dec 22 12:14:03 EST 1998 Article: 15283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news1.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.186.254.21!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!scelto.ts.kiev.ua!news.aip.mk.ua!news.paco.odessa.ua!news.sebastopol.ua!cris!not-for-mail From: "Igor Bondarenko" Newsgroups: ally.commerce,crimea.commerce,donbass.commerce,kharkov.commerce,kherson.commerce,news.agriculture,news.misc.agriculture.poultry,odessa.commerce,odessa.commerce.agro,relcom.commerce,relcom.commerce.estate,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,ukr.commerce Subject: šŅĻÄĮĶ ŅÉÓ ėŅŁĶÓĖÉŹ Date: 18 Dec 1998 12:26:59 GMT Organization: Bank 'Ukraina', Crimean branch Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01be2a79$23684d00$acde87c2@guru.krid.crimea.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: joker.krid.crimea.ua X-Trace: ark.cris.net 913984019 19037 194.93.177.42 (18 Dec 1998 12:26:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.cris.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 1998 12:26:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu news.agriculture:16 news.misc.agriculture.poultry:3 relcom.commerce:36815 relcom.commerce.estate:43761 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15283 šŅĻÄĮĶ ŅÉÓ ėŅŁĶÓĖÉŹ ŠĻ ĆÅĪÅ 2,00 ĒŅÉ×ĪŁ - ŚĮ 1 ĖĒ ŠĮŅŌÉŃ 20 ŌĻĪĪ , ŅĮÓĘĮÓĻ×ĖĮ ĶÅŪĖÉ 50 ĖĒ (ŌĮŅĮ ĪÅ×ĻŚ×ŅĮŌĪĮŃ ÓŌĻÉĶĻÓŌŲ ĶÅŪĖĮ 2,00 ĒŅÉ×ĪŁ ) ŅĮÓĘĮÓĻ×ĖĮ × ŠĻĢÉŌÅĢÅĪĻ×ŁČ ŠĮĖÅŌĮČ ŠĻ 1 ĖĒ ÓŌĻÉĶĻÓŌŲ 2,30 ĒŅÉ×ĪŁ äĻÓŌĮ×ĖĮ ×ĻŚĶĻÖĪĮ ŌŅĮĪÓŠĻŅŌĻĶ ŠĻÓŌĮׯÉĖĮ! ėŅŁĶ Š,ņĮŚÄĻĢŲĪŁŹ -- ó õ×ĮÖÅĪÉÅĶ āĻĪÄĮŅÅĖĻ éĒĻŅŲ įĢÅĖÓĮĪÄŅĻ×ÉŽ ŌÅĢ:8-06557-60047 .#. 61594 inmeil :igor@guru.krid.crimea.ua ICQ#:22869286 From ROSJ@CHEVRON.COM Tue Dec 22 12:14:03 EST 1998 Article: 15284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nyd.news.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.lahabra.chevron.com!news.chevron.com!news From: "JOHN ROSENBAUM" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ants in Beehives Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:03:38 -0800 Organization: Chevron Companies Lines: 7 Message-ID: <75khb6$q2g@hsun27.chevron.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ri-citras-dialin-2.ric841.chevron.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15284 I have been wondering, do ants go into behives? If they don't, why not? Don't most ants like honey? Please respond directly at rosj@chevron.com Thank you very much From apiservices@wanadoo.fr Tue Dec 22 12:14:04 EST 1998 Article: 15285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!news.syseca.fr!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adulteration - A complete 40-page report with photos Date: 21 Dec 1998 21:52:48 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01be2d2c$5a7b6600$89b6fcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri1-137.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15285 Adulteration - A complete 40-page report with photos The English translation of an immense undertaking by the Syndicate of French Professional Beekeepers is available at the following address: http://www.beekeeping.com/index_us.htm then click on: "HONEY ADULTERATION  - The SPMF's full report - 40 pages in 6 files" An interesting contribution to the "Honey-analog" debate. Any comments will be most welcome. Gilles Ratia Webmaster of the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" gilles.ratia@apiservices.com From ppkelley@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 22 12:14:04 EST 1998 Article: 15286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news4.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <367EFB79.FE9C4C79@bellsouth.net> From: Paula Kelley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Info. on Maxant Extractor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:57:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-48-33.tys.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:57:45 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15286 Hi Folks, I am looking into buying an extractor for this up coming season. I am increasing my bee yard to 30 hives. The type I am looking at is the MAXANT 3000 Parallel-Radial Ext. Model 10 Anyone who knows of this type good or bad please let me hear from you. . Thank you Parkey Kelley From valkyrie@valkyrie.co.nz Tue Dec 22 12:14:05 EST 1998 Article: 15287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: Adrian T Stacey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: White layer on surface of jars of honey Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:47:43 +1300 Organization: Valkyrie Systems Ltd Lines: 18 Message-ID: <367EEC2F.3E64104A@valkyrie.co.nz> References: <75lafs$536$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> <367EC4E4.C6166ACC@jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.chc.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; U) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p48-max10.chc.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15287 AND THEN, put them in the refrigerator... My honey has stayed liquid for the past six months after this treatment. Can't stand creamed honey... Hate it ALMOST as much as I hate Royal Jelly production :) Adrian Daniel Kiehnle wrote: > Put the jars into warm water in a pan and gently heat up. Not > too hot though, as it will change the color and flavor of the honey if it > gets too hot. > > Good luck. From anglin@mi.verio.com Tue Dec 22 12:14:06 EST 1998 Article: 15288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!hub1.ispnews.com!news13.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ANGLIN" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeybee animation art on Ebay Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.61.86 X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 914299760 209.69.61.86 (Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:09:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:09:20 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:12:26 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15288 Check out auctions # 49833332 and 49833505 at www.Ebay.com Animation art of the Honey Nut Cheerio Bee One has him in a trechcoat, detective style, in the other he is wearing rollerblades. Fun! Ellen Anglin From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Dec 22 12:14:06 EST 1998 Article: 15289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants in Beehives Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Dec 1998 14:47:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <75khb6$q2g@hsun27.chevron.com> Message-ID: <19981221094705.26792.00002511@ng113.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15289 >I have been wondering, do ants go into behives? If they don't, why not? >Don't most ants like honey? Yep evrey now and then you'll find them buggers in a hive. its a pain to get rid of em too once they've found a hive to invade. One of the little ant motels on top of the inner cover works pretty good as well as diazinon crystals on the ground. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 25 07:33:40 EST 1998 Article: 15290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: ally.commerce,crimea.commerce,donbass.commerce,kharkov.commerce,kherson.commerce,news.agriculture,news.misc.agriculture.poultry,odessa.commerce,odessa.commerce.agro,relcom.commerce,relcom.commerce.estate,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,ukr.commerce Subject: Re: šŅĻÄĮĶ ŅÉÓ ėŅŁĶÓĖÉŹ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:47:39 +0000 Message-ID: References: <01be2a79$23684d00$acde87c2@guru.krid.crimea.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 914349653 nnrp-07:11625 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu news.agriculture:17 news.misc.agriculture.poultry:4 relcom.commerce:37079 relcom.commerce.estate:43910 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15290 In article <01be2a79$23684d00$acde87c2@guru.krid.crimea.ua>, Igor Bondarenko writes >šŅĻÄĮĶ ŅÉÓ ėŅŁĶÓĖÉŹ ŠĻ ĆÅĪÅ 2,00 ĒŅÉ×ĪŁ - ŚĮ 1 ĖĒ ŠĮŅŌÉŃ 20 ŌĻĪĪ , >ŅĮÓĘĮÓĻ×ĖĮ ĶÅŪĖÉ 50 ĖĒ (ŌĮŅĮ ĪÅ×ĻŚ×ŅĮŌĪĮŃ ÓŌĻÉĶĻÓŌŲ ĶÅŪĖĮ 2,00 ĒŅÉ×ĪŁ ) >ŅĮÓĘĮÓĻ×ĖĮ × ŠĻĢÉŌÅĢÅĪĻ×ŁČ ŠĮĖÅŌĮČ ŠĻ 1 ĖĒ ÓŌĻÉĶĻÓŌŲ 2,30 ĒŅÉ×ĪŁ > >äĻÓŌĮ×ĖĮ ×ĻŚĶĻÖĪĮ ŌŅĮĪÓŠĻŅŌĻĶ ŠĻÓŌĮׯÉĖĮ! > >ėŅŁĶ Š,ņĮŚÄĻĢŲĪŁŹ It's all greek to me!:) Have a nice Christmas. -- Tom Speight From beetools@aol.com Fri Dec 25 07:33:41 EST 1998 Article: 15291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Info. on Maxant Extractor Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Dec 1998 01:08:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <367EFB79.FE9C4C79@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <19981222200858.01156.00000418@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15291 You couldn't have made a better choice. Until you get to the point when you need a 120-frmae Cook & Beals or Cowan, Maxant is the first choice and the 3000 series are our favorites. We have one in our honey house and just today unloaded another one from a truck (see below about the weight) Maxant for a client. We are dealers for Maxant, Dadant, as well as the imported extractors - but the Maxant line is by far and away the best across the board. It's much heavier-duty than any of the other brands (although the other lines are just fine for hobbyist - Maxant is commercial-quality). The 3000 series is easy to use with the top loading (ours sits right next to our now no longer used Dadant 20-frame radial). The tank is easier to clean, drains completely and the drive will be running when my grandchilderen are old. It doesn't tear up foundation, and best of all, it sits right next to a wall and has a VERY small foot print (not like a conventional radial). Well I just can't say enough about the 3000 series. Wherever you buy it, it will have to be shipped by freight and they start at 300#s, so keep than in mind in your budget. You can get them from us or another local dealer or direct from Maxant. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From iiisvo@k.com Fri Dec 25 07:33:41 EST 1998 Article: 15292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!wmc.mernet.org.uk!newsmaster From: iiisvo@k.com Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.fractals,sci.cryonics,sci.chem,sci.chem.labware,sci.chem.analytical,sci.chem.electrochem,sci.chem.electrochem.battery,sci.chem.coatings,sci.edu,sci.stat,sci.stat.math,sci.stat.edu,sci.stat.consult,sci.aquaria Subject: PURE PICS GOOD QUALITY COME ON HERE NOW 3394 Date: 23 Dec 1998 00:46:14 GMT Organization: WMC Mernet News Server Lines: 3 Message-ID: <75pegm$lb1179@wmc.mernet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166-18-140.ipt.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.research.careers:30957 sci.agriculture:31227 sci.agriculture.fruit:2511 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15292 sci.agriculture.ratites:1430 sci.agriculture.poultry:7422 sci.fractals:14567 sci.cryonics:10378 sci.chem:137930 sci.chem.labware:5139 sci.chem.analytical:15583 sci.chem.electrochem:9844 sci.chem.electrochem.battery:4746 sci.chem.coatings:5344 sci.edu:19924 sci.stat:149 sci.stat.math:22566 sci.stat.edu:18659 sci.stat.consult:34603 sci.aquaria:29984 altern.org/sadman xfydcyjkcpqbfqonhvvmgwifolhwndvogwebcvbinxstzfckddthcixmnkyvgbulqnsbzepvingmcdrkshjgukzqybxirb From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Dec 25 07:33:42 EST 1998 Article: 15293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: šŅĻÄĮĶ ŅÉÓ ėŅŁĶÓĖÉŹ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:10:32 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 41 Message-ID: <36805117.32EB2E5C@valley.net> References: <19981222154422.00806.00000224@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-208.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15293 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >>ŅĮÓĘĮÓĻ×ĖĮ × ŠĻĢÉŌÅĢÅĪĻ×ŁČ ŠĮĖÅŌĮČ ŠĻ 1 ĖĒ ÓŌĻÉĶĻÓŌŲ 2,30 ĒŅÉ×ĪŁ > >> > >>äĻÓŌĮ×ĖĮ ×ĻŚĶĻÖĪĮ ŌŅĮĪÓŠĻŅŌĻĶ ŠĻÓŌĮׯÉĖĮ! > >> > >>ėŅŁĶ Š,ņĮŚÄĻĢŲĪŁŹ > >It's all greek to me!:) > >Have a nice Christmas. > >-- > >Tom Speight > > > > I'm open to all coments, but i must admit that this seems kinda feri'n ta me. > I suppose by the address that it might be slavic or like russian. and it just > don't translate well > seriously though could anyone explain it to me ? > > MERRY CHRISTMAS YA'LL > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC greetings, my guess is he's/she's using cyrillic fonts. they can be downloaded from various places on the web, if you'd like to see the original post. merry xmas, to all and to all a good extraction. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From miksahf@aol.com Fri Dec 25 07:33:43 EST 1998 Article: 15294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Dec 1998 14:39:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15294 >Does anyone have any living stock of true >german black bees in the USA? >I ordered some queens advertised as german >black , a couple years ago, but they were >not. >Thanks >David > > Hi David, How are you today? This is David from the next county north of you. It may interest you to know that the Florida State Bee Inspector from the Jacksonville district had found several feral swarms this year of your interest along the St. Johns River. He found them in very good shape. So important to him that since he was a State Bee Inspector was able to have an official DNA test done for stock determination. Results of DNA test was Apis Mellifera Mellifera. Merry Christmas to all, Sincerely, David Miksa PS. David let's go to St. Johns river fishing, looking at mermaids, or for mellifera mellifera From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Dec 25 07:33:43 EST 1998 Article: 15295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Dec 1998 14:04:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <75srfs$2s9$1@golux.radix.net> Message-ID: <19981224090428.08428.00000428@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15295 >Hello. >Mellifera Mellefera huh? Pretty cool. That "race" is supposedly extinct. > >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vt.edu >http supposedly.........as in close...... as in only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades See i told ya i had seen them little fellas around. MERRY CHRISTMAS YA'LL Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Fri Dec 25 07:33:44 EST 1998 Article: 15296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (KJ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:00:40 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <36825ac0.26852849@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <75srfs$2s9$1@golux.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-42.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 24 Dec 1998 16:00:22 GMT, ppp47-42.dial.nildram.co.uk Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sapphire.mtt.net!news1.bellglobal.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-fra.maz.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-42.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15296 On 24 Dec 1998 07:46:04 -0000, adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com>, >MiksaHF wrote: >> So important to >>him that since he was a State Bee Inspector was able to have an official DNA >>test done for stock determination. Results of DNA test was Apis Mellifera >>Mellifera. > >Hello. >Mellifera Mellefera huh? Pretty cool. That "race" is supposedly extinct. Really? Well what have I got at the bottom of my garden then? -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk new quiz @ .../quizform.htm From tomasmozer@juno.com Fri Dec 25 07:33:44 EST 1998 Article: 15297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:07:19 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 16 Message-ID: <368258A7.769C@juno.com> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.81 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 914519859 OCZ7E7JIA4851D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: miksahf@aol.com CC: adamshonco@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15297 MiksaHF wrote: >PS. David let's go to St. Johns river fishing, looking at mermaids, or for > mellifera mellifera what we have found in northeast florida along the st.johns river may be, perhaps, a survivor population of feral honeybees apparently tolerant of parasitic mites, some of which have the apis mellifera mellifera mother line as detected by mitochondrial dna analysis at the university of florida beelab...they are by no means pure but rather mongrelized, yet somewhat smaller and darker. we originally suspected africanized hybridization was occurring since jacksonville is a major port of entry and we were trapping them semi-regularly (seasonal swarming) in our bait hives as well as finding them in bee trees , however no evidence of african dna, hydrocarbons, or morphometrics was found (to date)... it remains to be seen how they fare with the arrival of the small hive beetle, which has recently been detected in the area. From schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 25 07:33:45 EST 1998 Article: 15298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!schwaller.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Schwaller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Veroa cure? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:13:05 -0000 Message-ID: <914520335.10217.0.nnrp-10.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> References: <10947-36676BE3-124@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19981204090641.07833.00001704@ng-cd1.aol.com> <3669492B.2F9F3435@bigfoot.com> <366E3E24.82C2F497@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 914520335 nnrp-10:10217 NO-IDENT schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15298 >From Mr Brown RM12 5SX ex schwaller Interestingly- Veroa can be overcome, using a tincture made with Green Almond husks (not shells) and alcahol. So take a large screwtop jar and fill it with shredded almond husks to about halve inch from the top, then fill it with alcahol ( I use vodka) to just cover the husks, then screw the top on. Leave for approximately onr month, by which time the tincture is ready for use, strain the tincture into a clean bottle. Fix a piecw of linen to tjr full length od the dummy then paint the cloth with the tincture until the cloth is saturated then place the dummy board dehind the frames with the cloth facing the brood combs. After a month the dummy board is taken out of the brood box, retreated , and then replaced back in the brood box. The dummy boards can be left in the hives throughout the year as the tincture is non-toxic and cannot affect the bees The alcahol is required to extract the active priciple from the husks, Vodka is odourless and economical but any alcahol will do. When testing for veroa inspect the drone brood to see if there is any veroa I works!! Note: =- The Jar must be full of shredded husks before you add the alcahol too much alcahol will make the tincture useless. Shredded walnut hasks can be used the result eill be the same. sent be Schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk Let me know how you get on Jon Iverson wrote in message <366E3E24.82C2F497@sprintmail.com>... From Klacy@btinternet.com Fri Dec 25 07:33:45 EST 1998 Article: 15299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Lacy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: White layer on surface of jars of honey Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:01:10 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <75u2tu$5kj$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <75lafs$536$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> <367EC4E4.C6166ACC@jps.net> <367EEC2F.3E64104A@valkyrie.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-171-255-136.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15299 > >Can't stand creamed honey... Hate it ALMOST as much as I hate Royal Jelly >production :) > >Adrian But I like creamed honey and so do most of those who buy it from me. I, too get this problem and would welcome any suggestions for removing it before the honey sets. 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the home page: www.sinectis.com.ar/u/marsc --------------758F5B8A6625F1A3564607DB-- From liggy@jps.net Fri Dec 25 07:33:47 EST 1998 Article: 15301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <367EC4E4.C6166ACC@jps.net> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:00:05 -0800 From: Daniel Kiehnle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: White layer on surface of jars of honey References: <75lafs$536$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.189.169 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.189.169 Lines: 13 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.63.189.169 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15301 The white layer is either air bubbles mixed with honey, or crystallized honey, neither which will harm anyone. But if you want to get rid of it, put the honey into a microwave for about twenty seconds, check it, turn it, twenty more. Let the honey get warm, not hot. This will melt the crystals back into honey. Another way is to warm the jars in water on the stove until melted. Don't put the cool jars into hot water though. I found out the hard way and lost a gallon of honey when the jar broke from the quick change of temperature. Put the jars into warm water in a pan and gently heat up. Not too hot though, as it will change the color and flavor of the honey if it gets too hot. Good luck. From adamf@vt.edu Fri Dec 25 07:33:47 EST 1998 Article: 15302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: 24 Dec 1998 07:46:04 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <75srfs$2s9$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port21.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15302 In article <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com>, MiksaHF wrote: > So important to >him that since he was a State Bee Inspector was able to have an official DNA >test done for stock determination. Results of DNA test was Apis Mellifera >Mellifera. Hello. Mellifera Mellefera huh? Pretty cool. That "race" is supposedly extinct. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From w8864@midwest.net Fri Dec 25 07:33:48 EST 1998 Article: 15303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book for begineer ?? Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:13:45 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 6 Message-ID: <75uvri$ef3$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.33.76 X-Trace: 914555570 .ZFUVYH4M214CD0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15303 Does anyone have any suggestions on the best book a begineer can buy. thanx bill From prw3@york.ac.uk Sun Dec 27 21:51:35 EST 1998 Article: 15304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: PAUL WAITES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: White layer on surface of jars of honey Date: 21 Dec 1998 11:13:00 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 24 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <75lafs$536$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc137.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 914238780 5222 144.32.182.2 (21 Dec 1998 11:13:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Dec 1998 11:13:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15304 Hi all, This has been my first full years beekeeping and I am now merrily eating my way through my first supplies of my own honey... I only collected a small amount of honey from my two hives, this being my first attempt. It solidified (very solid) virtually straight away and now has a thin white layer that has formed accross the top, some of this has spread down the side of the jars... What is this? I wanted to give a couple of jars as Christmas presents to those long suffering souls who had to cope with my enthusiasm for my bees.... However I am not so sure if it is o.k. The white layer scrapes away pretty easily and the honey though solid is perfectly o.k. underneath. As I don't yet have an extractor the method I used to get the honey was to scrape the frames back to the foundation, and filter the honey through nylon. Any advice would be welcome: Thanks, Paul. From vsp@flash.net Sun Dec 27 21:51:36 EST 1998 Article: 15305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" Reply-To: vsp@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:33:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.64.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 914592811 209.30.64.228 (Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:33:31 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:33:31 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15305 tomas mozer wrote: > > MiksaHF wrote: > >PS. David let's go to St. Johns river fishing, looking at mermaids, or for > > mellifera mellifera > > what we have found in northeast florida along the st.johns river may be, perhaps, > a survivor population of feral honeybees apparently tolerant of parasitic mites, > some of which have the apis mellifera mellifera mother line as detected by > mitochondrial dna analysis at the university of florida beelab...they are by > no means pure but rather mongrelized, yet somewhat smaller and darker. > we originally suspected africanized hybridization was occurring since jacksonville > is a major port of entry and we were trapping them semi-regularly (seasonal > swarming) in our bait hives as well as finding them in bee trees , however no > evidence of african dna, hydrocarbons, or morphometrics was found (to date)... > it remains to be seen how they fare with the arrival of the small hive beetle, > which has recently been detected in the area. Any reasonable chance of natural mite resistance should not go unexplored. What are you doing to check for mite resistance? From apiservices@wanadoo.fr Sun Dec 27 21:51:37 EST 1998 Article: 15306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: International Petition Against Honey Adulteration Date: 25 Dec 1998 13:35:41 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 48 Message-ID: <01be300b$8d08f2e0$70148aa4@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntperi4-112.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15306 *************************************************** International Petition Against Honey Adulteration *************************************************** Hi all, We were one of many to receive the email from an Indian Company offering products to "stretch" honey. This letter has also been circulated on the BEE-L. It's also worth visiting the Canadian site http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Analog/ where Dave Tegart (Email : tegart@telusplanet.net) is looking for signatures for a HONEY ANALOG PROTEST which includes a COMMITMENT LETTER AND REGISTRY. We appreciate his initiative and feel that this problem not only concerns the USA and Canada but beekeepers worldwide. Let's make the most of the Web and innovate. The "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" offers you an international petition set to grow on a daily basis. The list of signatures will be available for heads of beekeeping or consumers organizations to use to bring pressure to bear on their politicians. Analysis laboratories will be able to use it to convince their government to invest in this area. Journalists, whether beekeeping or main stream, can also use it to encourage their editors to cover this problem. So, if you are concerned by this problem of adulteration, we would like to suggest three steps: 1. become better informed by reading, for example, the 40-page full report on the adulteration of honey at http://www.beekeeping.org/spmf/adulteration.htm or obtain all the messages dealing with honey analog on BEE-L by posting the following order to LISTSERV@uacsc2.albany.edu : SEARCH honey analog IN bee-l SINCE Nov 1998 2. give the Canadians a helping hand by filling out their protest form at: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Analog/; 3. sign the following international petition at http://www.beekeeping.org/petition_against_adulteration.htm Any other suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks Gilles Ratia Webmaster of the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" gilles.ratia@apiservices.com http://www.apiservices.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Dec 27 21:51:38 EST 1998 Article: 15307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: White layer on surface of jars of honey Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Dec 1998 14:44:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <75lafs$536$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <19981221094434.26792.00002508@ng113.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15307 >irst attempt. It solidified (very solid) virtually straight away and now >has a thin white layer that has formed accross the top, some of this has >spread down the side of the jars... What is this? I wanted to give a >c well congrats on your first year....learn anything ? when working with small amounts of honey you'll find that white stuff in most of your jars and later when you get to extracting you'll find it in the last few jars you fill. it's a combination of pollen, foam and microscopic bits of wax that float to the top . of course if you were working say 200 lbs of honey you'd get a lot of jars of pure honey and the last few would have some of or most of this as you'd be draining the barrell from the bottom up. Just skim it off if ya want, what i've done in the past with skim jars (as i call em) Is set em in warm water for a while after i skim the most off then after its good and liquid shake the suker up good, that way as it settles again the skim from the side goes to the top. Hope this helps ya out, be glad to help more if i can. See your address is UK so happy boxing day as well as merry Christmas Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From w8864@midwest.net Sun Dec 27 21:51:39 EST 1998 Article: 15308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees in town?? Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:57:37 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7611ho$ids$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.33.46 X-Trace: 914622840 .ZFUVYH4M212ED0EBC usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15308 are bees in town a problem when it comes to peing cl;ose to people or can you raise bees in town??? From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Dec 27 21:51:41 EST 1998 Article: 15309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: White layer on surface of jars of honey Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Dec 1998 17:32:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <75u2tu$5kj$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Message-ID: <19981225123250.01922.00001193@ng152.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15309 Let the honey stand in the container you bottle from a bit longer in a warm place. And draw from the bottom. You can put a plastic honey gate on a 5 gallon bucket for this. Then leave the last jar's worth behind and consume it yourself. sometimes you can get stuff that has allready happpened to stick to the hjar bottom by inverting the filled jars for a while. There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From w8864@midwest.net Sun Dec 27 21:51:41 EST 1998 Article: 15310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal jelly question Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:01:33 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7615ea$iga$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.33.46 X-Trace: 914626826 .ZFUVYH4M212ED0EBC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15310 where can I buy pure Royal Jelly and how much does it cost and where in the hive is it stored???? From pollinator@aol.com Sun Dec 27 21:51:42 EST 1998 Article: 15311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book for begineer ?? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Dec 1998 03:58:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <75uvri$ef3$1@remarQ.com> Message-ID: <19981225225851.01056.00001599@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15311 From: "Bill" >Does anyone have any suggestions on the best book a begineer can buy. The Beekeeper's Handbook by Diana Sammataro, Alphonse Avitabile, Roger A. Morse Amazon has it. Also Cornell University Press. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From UncleAl0@earthlink.net Sun Dec 27 21:51:42 EST 1998 Article: 15312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Uncle Al Newsgroups: sci.research.careers,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.fractals,sci.cryonics,sci.chem,sci.chem.labware,sci.chem.analytical,sci.chem.electrochem,sci.chem.electrochem.battery,sci.chem.coatings,sci.edu,sci.stat,sci.stat.math,sci.stat.edu,sci.stat.consult,sci.aquaria Subject: Re: PURE PICS GOOD QUALITY COME ON HERE NOW 3394 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:14:39 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <75pegm$lb1179@wmc.mernet.org.uk> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Dec 1998 04:13:43 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Dec 25 20:15:03 1998 Organization: The Noble Krell Lines: 20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: UncleAl0@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pool048-max6.ds24-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Message-ID: <368462AE.5D8@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.research.careers:30990 sci.agriculture:31250 sci.agriculture.fruit:2514 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15312 sci.agriculture.ratites:1434 sci.agriculture.poultry:7467 sci.fractals:14572 sci.cryonics:10385 sci.chem:138094 sci.chem.labware:5146 sci.chem.analytical:15612 sci.chem.electrochem:9867 sci.chem.electrochem.battery:4774 sci.chem.coatings:5355 sci.edu:19934 sci.stat:150 sci.stat.math:22597 sci.stat.edu:18696 sci.stat.consult:34619 sci.aquaria:29998 iiisvo@k.com wrote: > > altern.org/sadman > xfydcyjkcpqbfqonhvvmgwifolhwndvogwebcvbinxstzfckddthcixmnkyvgbulqnsbzepvingmcdrkshjgukzqybxirb Look like we are suffering an exceedingly poor brand of idiot on the Web during the holdiays. All that spam and nowhere to click. Surf Uncle Al - it will be bad for you. "8^>) -- Uncle Al Schwartz NEW!!! UncleAl0@earthlink.net ("zero" before @) http://uncleal.within.net/ http://pages.hotbot.com/humor/uncleal/ http://home.earthlink.net/~uncleal0/uncleal.htm http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm http://www.guyy.demon.co.uk/uncleal/uncleal.htm (Toxic URLs! Unsafe for children, Democrats, and most mammals) "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net! From anglin@mi.verio.com Sun Dec 27 21:51:43 EST 1998 Article: 15313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7611ho$ids$1@remarQ.com> Subject: Re: bees in town?? Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.128 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 914672737 209.69.69.128 (Sat, 26 Dec 1998 06:45:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 06:45:37 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:48:18 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15313 Sure, Just make sure you keep a gentle strain of bees, and make sure people give them room. (Keep away from walkways, and property lines.) I keep a hive of bees in a friends back yard to pollinate his garden. Although it is a pint sized yard, and the hive is clearly visible from the street, we have had no problems in three years. The hive faces the garden, and it is on a cement pad (Driveway), so mowing next to the hive is not necessary. The hive is painted green, so it doesn't scream "Beehive", and I give them plenty of room to avoid swarming. I know a man who keeps about ten hives on top of his garage- the flight lines are so high that they bother no-one. A second story porch, loft, or an attic room with the hive entrance linked to the outside is even better. Just be sure that there is adequate ventilation, and bee escapes to let bees that fly when you are working the bees get back outside. This gives you all the advantages of a "Bee House" without having to build a separate building. All my "City Honey" sells for a premium to a local health food store that is thrilled to get honey from only 4 blocks away. Ellen Anglin Bill wrote in message <7611ho$ids$1@remarQ.com>... >are bees in town a problem when it comes to peing cl;ose to people or can >you raise bees in town??? > > From wcavender@aol.com Sun Dec 27 21:51:44 EST 1998 Article: 15314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wcavender@aol.com (WCavender) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: any single floral source honeys out there??? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Dec 1998 13:49:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981222084958.01062.00000059@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15314 To any beekeepers with single source honeys... I am a meadmaker looking for your honey in buckets. prefer to buy minimum of 50 lbs. please email if available with prices. thanks and happy holidays, bill From lithar@midwest.net Sun Dec 27 21:51:45 EST 1998 Article: 15315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Movers are Coming Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:21:21 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 19 Message-ID: <36854541.E52@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 914696709 .ZFUVYH4M1C11D0EBC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15315 I'm looking for some advice on moving bees in the dead of winter. Its not something I choose to do this time of year but a right-of-way clearing crew is about to take out a tree that contains a colony. I've reviewed past post on the subject but none deal with a winter move. The clearing crew has worked around this tree for the past month or so waiting for cold weather to disable the bees. They will be making their cut sometime soon. I have requested they cut through the trunk a couple feet above the opening and a couple feet below the opening fully aware there is no way to know the exact size of the cavity. They have equipment that should allow removing the bee log intact. The objective it to relocate the colony to and move them to a langstroth hive in the spring. These guys are pretty leary of bees - I suspect there is a history there. Getting them to go along with this maneuver was surprising enough - I want to make this as easy for them as possible and still protect the bees. Otherwise they gas 'em and burn 'em. Well, that's the outline of the project - any thoughts??? AL From drgonfly@ultranet.com Sun Dec 27 21:51:46 EST 1998 Article: 15316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.shore.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Flaming Queens? Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:39:22 -0800 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7636ut$r7f$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d170.dial-5.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 26 Dec 1998 17:38:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15316 Hi Folks. I live in Massachusetts. This year, I have decided not to let my bees swarm like a frieght train through the neighborhood, and will even buy a new queen. Aside from flaming queens, what is the best queen to have? Regards, Marc Andelman From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Sun Dec 27 21:51:47 EST 1998 Article: 15317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Movers are Coming Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:26:06 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <36855006.956978@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <36854541.E52@midwest.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-216.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 26 Dec 1998 21:25:37 GMT, pm6-216.nildram.co.uk Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm6-216.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15317 On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:21:21 -0800, AL wrote: >Well, that's the outline of the project - any thoughts??? > Suggest you tack some mesh over the entrance, and make the 'log' longer, to be on the safe side. -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk new quiz @ .../quizform.htm From Martine.Grant@wanadoo.fr Sun Dec 27 21:51:47 EST 1998 Article: 15318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Martine Grant" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honeypump???? Date: 26 Dec 1998 19:56:04 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01be3102$4450e380$1300a8c0@helenw> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntpoi9-185.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15318 Can anyone give me details of a provider (new or second hand) of pumps for pumping honey from one container to another.? thanks From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Dec 27 21:51:48 EST 1998 Article: 15319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Movers are Coming Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Dec 1998 01:09:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36854541.E52@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19981226200908.28988.00002274@ng146.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15319 > bees. They will be making their >cut sometime soon. I have requested they cut through the trunk a couple >feet above the opening and a couple feet below the opening fully aware >there is no way to know the exact size of the cavity. They have >equipment that should allow removing the bee log intact. The use a drill to find the extent of the colony, make top cut about 2 inches above the hollow make bottom cut into the lower area of the hollow. gently lift the log and slide a piece of plywood underneath. cut it to allow easy movement. strap the wood to the log. use some smoke if its at all above 45 degrees, but not too much. try very hard not to move the log from a vertical plane, wax is very brittle in the cold and if the colony is to survive you must have as little damage as possible. move the log to your place and leave em till spring. come spring, smoke the hell out of em, cut the log on either side vertically so you can just open it up like a book. it will be a miracle if you're able to salvage any of their cone to put into frames since hollow trees usually hold cathedrals made of beeswax, wonderous mazes like something out of king arthur. if this is the case, take a full size hive body without frames. cuta section out of the castle containing brood and just sit it down into the hive body ( place a few sticks on the bottom for it to sit on.) now this piece you cut out should be a cross section of the whole hive. fill any spaces with more comb >from the tree, yes it will look like a mess but it'll work. put as many bees into that hive body as you can scoop, especially the queen if you get lucky !! set the log rite in front of the hive entrance and they'll go home to your hive body.....place a second hive body with frames and foundation on top of your hive body with the castle inside. if the bee space isn't quite right lay a few twigs on top of the castle like comb. if all has gone well...get rid of the log the next day, cook off the wax, squeeze out any honey and feed it right back to them in a quart jar on top of the inner cover. Immediately burn the log or at least scorch the inside terribly to prevent disease spread. put on an entrance reducer close to the size they had in the log . now leave em alone for a few days, it'll take that long for them to sort things out and get a good look at that foundation you've given them. Absolutely as soon as possible feed them constantly, let em draw out that foundation quick. watch whats going on down in the bottom, if there's a side they're ighnoring, cut away enough for a frame to fit in, hoopefully a drawn out frame of brood from another hive. eventually you'll end up with em in the frames area and can do away with the cathedral entirely. and yes it should sound like i've done this before if i can help ya any more feel free to email me direct. happy new year Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Dec 27 21:51:49 EST 1998 Article: 15320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flaming Queens? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Dec 1998 01:11:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7636ut$r7f$1@ligarius.ultra.net> Message-ID: <19981226201102.28988.00002276@ng146.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15320 > >Aside from flaming queens, what is the best queen to have? hi marc i've had quite a lot of enjoyment out of the cordovan strain of italians from glen apiaries in calif. unfortunately i cant get any more due to afric quarrantine. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From pollinator@aol.com Sun Dec 27 21:51:50 EST 1998 Article: 15321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Movers are Coming Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Dec 1998 02:01:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981226200908.28988.00002274@ng146.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981226210106.01059.00001884@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15321 From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) >move the log to your place and leave em till spring. come spring, smoke the >hell out of em, cut the log on either side vertically so you can just open it >up like a book. (Detailed and highly involved instructions follow.) This is MUCH too much work, Kevin! And it places a lot of stress on the bees, too. Save the log section upright until spring, Be as gentle as possible. Like Kevin says cold comb is very brittle, and if it breaks all to pieces, their chance of survival is very small. In the spring, when a good flow is on, lay the log on its side. The queen will now refuse to lay in the cells. Take a chainsaw and use it like a giant rasp to flatten out the upper side of the log, making a level place upon which to set a 16 - 20 inch plywood with a center hole. Make sure the hole opens through to the colony, whether by the rasping of the chainsaw, or by drilling it separately. Set a deep super of comb, if you have it, otherwise foundation will be a distant second choice. Even a couple frames of comb in the center are better than none. You can use a frame or two of brood from another hive to entice them to move up. Make sure they have an upper entrance, like an upside down bottom board. The queen will most likely move up into the super. As soon as she gets laying, put an excluder under her. As soon as the brood all is hatched in the log, set the new brood chamber off. You can then cut out the comb in the log and use the honey, feed it back to the bees, or let the bees rob it out. Lots less work and stress. I've used this method several times and it has always worked like a charm. If it does not work when you first try it, the bees have drawn new comb in the log, which is oriented to the new upright. You can force them into the box on top, by getting a rubber mallet and steadily pound on the log right next to the brood area. This is called drumming. When all the bees move up into the upper box (most likely all over the outside of it, too) put an excluder under it. Most likely you'll have the queen. You want to save the queen, if possible. She may be the million dollar breeder queen that can pass along resistance to varroa mites to her daughters. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From tlc1@well.com Sun Dec 27 21:51:51 EST 1998 Article: 15322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news2.best.com!news1.best.com!noos.hooked.net!206.80.6.11.MISMATCH!its.hooked.net!not-for-mail From: tlc1@well.com (Thomas L. Chester) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in town?? Date: 27 Dec 1998 06:30:37 GMT Organization: Whole Earth Networks News Lines: 3 Message-ID: <764k6d$mlf$1@its.hooked.net> References: <7611ho$ids$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: well.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15322 I keep about a half dozen colonies here in San Francisco. My biggest concern is swarms. From producer@golden.net Sun Dec 27 21:51:52 EST 1998 Article: 15323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!newsfeed2.golden.net!not-for-mail From: John Summerfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering advice please... Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:42:49 -0500 Organization: Summerfield Productions Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3685BAC9.2510B4BC@golden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.129.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15323 Seasons greetings! Unfortunately, I (and my bees) find ourselves in the midst of winter (10-30 degrees F average here) with a hive that I really didn't get any time to prepare for winter, due to my hectic workload this fall. I live in Ontario, Canada and my one hobby hive is composed of two brood supers; 9 frames each with spacers. I harvested a tad more than a full excess super this fall and left both brood supers full of honey for the wintering colony. I just checked the colony yesterday by simply removing the top outer cover and putting my ear to the bee escape hole cut into the inside top cover. They are vibrating away (happily I assume). Relief. They are still alive. So, the questions; 1. I didn't get the Apistan in during warm weather. Can I just fire several strips in through the bee escape hole so as not to expose the colony to cold air? If so, will it be effective? 2. How do I winter properly? I have heard people say to do things like -reduce the entrance, -staple black tar paper (roof sheathing) around the hive to soak up solar energy, -wrap the hive with straw, -drill a hole in the top hive super to avoid dampness, etc. I have not done any of these things. What do you suggest. I really appreciate any advice you can spare. Thanks in advance, John Summerfield producer@golden.net From swheaton@ix.netcom.com Wed Dec 30 17:19:08 EST 1998 Article: 15324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in town?? Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:07:44 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3686E7F0.50E308E4@ix.netcom.com> References: <7611ho$ids$1@remarQ.com> <764k6d$mlf$1@its.hooked.net> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az13-13.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Dec 27 8:08:07 PM CST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15324 I keep a hive or two or three in downtown Phoenix. They have a fish pond within 20 feet so they get water. They are surrounded by tall oleander hedges and the like to their flight line is already 20 to 30 feet before they leave the property. They produce great honey. No problems so far. From dhall@thenuthouse.com Wed Dec 30 17:19:09 EST 1998 Article: 15325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "dhall" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <75srfs$2s9$1@golux.radix.net> <19981224090428.08428.00000428@ng-fu1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <3fDh2.384$P52.2348@news15.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.26.43.141 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 914817087 209.26.43.141 (Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:51:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:51:27 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:51:49 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15325 I had a little black "critter" get caught in the top of my shoe while walking through an empty grassy lot. It was barely 1/2" long and didn't leave a stinger behind. I didn't have much luck finding a picture or description in my audobon field book. Could it be one of the mystery bees you guys have been talking about? I live in SW Florida and this happened in a remote area. Just how little are these fellas? dena >See i told ya i had seen them little fellas around. > >MERRY CHRISTMAS YA'LL > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com Wed Dec 30 17:19:09 EST 1998 Article: 15326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: NOSPAMfltdeck1@ix.netcom.com (fltdeck1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Movers are Coming Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:00:34 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 85 Message-ID: <36879628.44561115@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <36854541.E52@midwest.net> Reply-To: fltdeck1NO SPAM@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co55-58.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Dec 28 9:00:27 AM CST 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15326 Hello Al & all ! One very distinct problem with removing these bees from their home NOW is the cold. If you're anywhere in the US, (possible exception with certain parts of FLA) it's much too cold to expect to salvage the bees without moving the whole trunk intact. You might move a cluster or two but the remainder will just lay around until they freeze. Bees aren't able to recreate any damage you might (will) do in removing comb until it's warm enough to manipulate the wax. My observation hives won't even make much wax now & they're 70degreesF. In Feb-May (depending on where you live) you'll stand a much better chance on removing bees from trees and having them survive. When (if) you do decide to remove bees from the tree, e-mail me & I'll post again on how to disect the comb and transfer them to Langstroth frames (i.e. don't need to make a mess of the comb even though it's in a 'cathedral' shape of all sorts - they make almost straight comb on their own which can be salvaged in small chunks and give them a great start into their new Langstroth home). If the tree is hollow enough to fit a decent hive, you'll likely find the 'hollow' extends 2-3' above & below where you'd like to make cuts. Most feral hives I've removed are 3 to 6 ft top to bottom - though I've removed some that extend to 20'+ (they'd likely have other entrances if the bees had a hive larger than 5 or 6' though). What kind of tree are they in? If it's Cottonwood, it's likely the hollow is through-out the tree. The tree-cutters can still save the section of tree with the bees. Give them your bee-suit to use. Funny thing about bees is that they always like to exit from the holes they're used to coming & going from - especially in times of stress. If you cut off the top of the hive and find holllow, the bees probably still won't pour out unless you cut into their comb. If you MUST move them now, here's what I'd do (did this 2 months ago to an extremely large tree-hive which is still doing fine): Cover the entrance with window-screening & tack every 1/2 inch or more. DO NOT leave any bee-space in any crack, as they get pretty mad when they drop to the ground and when the tree vibrates like a cheap-hotel bed. I'd cut off the top wherever you're sure they're not building (drilling is a good idea - though use a bit big enough to get through 1/2 of diameter) and cover the top with a towel and tack. Now just cut the bottom and let the tree fall (OR move to another location if you have the luxury of a boom). The other beekeeper's suggestion on not letting the beehive drop is great, but you're dealing with 1000 - 10000 pound piece of hive & wood which is very dangerous - DONT take any chances. If the tree-hive has been around 2 or more years, the comb is likely well-braced and hard and likely won't do much damage (the one I took out 2 months ago didn't break a single comb in a 10ft drop). On the other hand, if it's a new hive, they can loose their entire comb structure with a 6-inch drop (which I did with a 2-month swarm last season - pathetic to clean up with 1/2 the hive dead in it's own honey!). Make sure you re-right the hive in the same (vertical) position which you found the original entrance, which keeps the comb usable to the bees. Good luck to you & the bees. Matthew in Castle Rock, Co On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:21:21 -0800, AL wrote: >I'm looking for some advice on moving bees in the dead of winter. Its >not something I choose to do this time of year but a right-of-way >clearing crew is about to take out a tree that contains a colony. I've >reviewed past post on the subject but none deal with a winter move. The >clearing crew has worked around this tree for the past month or so >waiting for cold weather to disable the bees. They will be making their >cut sometime soon. I have requested they cut through the trunk a couple >feet above the opening and a couple feet below the opening fully aware >there is no way to know the exact size of the cavity. They have >equipment that should allow removing the bee log intact. The objective >it to relocate the colony to and move them to a langstroth hive in the >spring. These guys are pretty leary of bees - I suspect there is a >history there. Getting them to go along with this maneuver was >surprising enough - I want to make this as easy for them as possible and >still protect the bees. Otherwise they gas 'em and burn 'em. > >Well, that's the outline of the project - any thoughts??? > >AL From tomasmozer@juno.com Wed Dec 30 17:19:10 EST 1998 Article: 15327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 06:50:23 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 38 Message-ID: <36879AAF.7CCB@juno.com> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.224 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 914864349 OCZ7E7JIA4FE0CDD8C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: tomas mozer Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15327 the division of plant industry is collaborating with the university of florida beelab, where some of these trapped swarms are kept for observation under limited maintenance conditions...best we can say as of now is that they appear somewhat tolerant of mites (drone brood infestations around 10-20%), still susceptible to parasitic mite syndrome and american foulbrood symptoms, have a propensity to swarm and/or abscond and seem to fare better on the coast than inland. some commercial queen breeders have expressed interest in these stocks, which are far from uniform in "survivability", ranging from 1 to 2 years after hiving, and exhibiting substantial diversity otherwise...plans are under way to cooperate with further assessments. tomas mozer wrote: > > MiksaHF wrote: > >PS. David let's go to St. Johns river fishing, looking at mermaids, or for > > mellifera mellifera > > what we have found in northeast florida along the st.johns river may be, perhaps, > a survivor population of feral honeybees apparently tolerant of parasitic mites, > some of which have the apis mellifera mellifera mother line as detected by > mitochondrial dna analysis at the university of florida beelab...they are by > no means pure but rather mongrelized, yet somewhat smaller and darker. > we originally suspected africanized hybridization was occurring since jacksonville > is a major port of entry and we were trapping them semi-regularly (seasonal > swarming) in our bait hives as well as finding them in bee trees , however no > evidence of african dna, hydrocarbons, or morphometrics was found (to date)... > it remains to be seen how they fare with the arrival of the small hive beetle, > which has recently been detected in the area. "Victor S. Patterson" wrote: >Any reasonable chance of natural mite resistance should not go >unexplored. What are you doing to check for mite resistance? (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >Is anyone planning to do this? These guys seem to have the basis for >interesting breeding combinations. Are any USDA types, breeder types or >University types checking into this genetic avenue? From jwg6@cornell.edu Wed Dec 30 17:19:11 EST 1998 Article: 15328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!l0052.dialup.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book for begineer ?? Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:27:39 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 14 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <75uvri$ef3$1@remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: l0052.dialup.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15328 HOW TO KEEP BEES AND SELL HONEY, by Walter T. Kelley Loaded with photos, very straightforward, and recently updated. Takes you >from square one. Also very inexpensive; from Walter T. Kelley Co., Clarkson, KY The photos alone are invaluble, compared to books with only a few, or those w/just line drawnings (...imo!). In article <75uvri$ef3$1@remarQ.com>, "Bill" wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions on the best book a begineer can buy. > > thanx > bill From schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 30 17:19:11 EST 1998 Article: 15329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!schwaller.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Schwaller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Veroa cure? Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:41:33 -0000 Message-ID: <914881236.5767.0.nnrp-06.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> References: <10947-36676BE3-124@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19981204090641.07833.00001704@ng-cd1.aol.com> <3669492B.2F9F3435@bigfoot.com> <366E3E24.82C2F497@sprintmail.com> <914520335.10217.0.nnrp-10.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 914881236 nnrp-06:5767 NO-IDENT schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15329 Schwaller wrote in message <914520335.10217.0.nnrp-10.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk>... >From Mr Brown RM12 5SX ex schwaller >Interestingly- Veroa can be overcome, using a tincture made with Green >Almond husks (not shells) and alcahol. >So take a large screwtop jar and fill it with shredded almond husks to about >halve inch from the top, then fill it with alcahol ( I use vodka) to just >cover the husks, then screw the top on. >Leave for approximately onr month, by which time the tincture is ready for >use, strain the tincture into a clean bottle. >Fix a piecw of linen to tjr full length od the dummy then paint the cloth >with the tincture until the cloth is saturated then place the dummy board >dehind the frames with the cloth facing the brood combs. >After a month the dummy board is taken out of the brood box, retreated , and >then replaced back in the brood box. >The dummy boards can be left in the hives throughout the year as the >tincture is non-toxic and cannot affect the bees >The alcahol is required to extract the active priciple from the husks, Vodka >is odourless and economical but any alcahol will do. >When testing for veroa inspect the drone brood to see if there is any veroa >I works!! >Note: =- The Jar must be full of shredded husks before you add the alcahol >too much alcahol will make the tincture useless. >Shredded walnut hasks can be used the result eill be the same. >sent be Schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk >Let me know how you get on >Jon Iverson wrote in message <366E3E24.82C2F497@sprintmail.com>... > > > > From adamf@vt.edu Wed Dec 30 17:19:12 EST 1998 Article: 15330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: 28 Dec 1998 17:56:35 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> <36879AAF.7CCB@juno.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port24.annex4.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15330 In article <36879AAF.7CCB@juno.com>, tomas mozer wrote: >the division of plant industry is collaborating with the university of florida >beelab, where some of these trapped swarms are kept for observation under >limited maintenance conditions...best we can say as of now is that they >appear somewhat tolerant of mites (drone brood infestations around 10-20%), >still susceptible to parasitic mite syndrome and american foulbrood symptoms, >have a propensity to swarm and/or abscond and seem to fare better on the >coast than inland. >some commercial queen breeders have expressed interest in these stocks, >which are far from uniform in "survivability", ranging from 1 to 2 years >after hiving, and exhibiting substantial diversity otherwise...plans are >under way to cooperate with further assessments. Like? Please elaborate or have the person with the elaborative authority do so. Maybe Tom Sanford would care to comment? You mention PMS and AFB in the same sentence--are the symptoms for these two diseases appearing sporadically? In the Mid-Atlantic I've noticed that varroa tolerance in stocks will often be proceeded by huge breakdowns of PMS/AFB like symptoms. After this, selection for further tolerance is easy--if there is anything left. :) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From petty@negia.net Wed Dec 30 17:19:12 EST 1998 Article: 15331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: 29 Dec 1998 12:59:56 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01be332b$9e5f2b40$5cc92bcf@petty.negia.net> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> <36879AAF.7CCB@juno.com> <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.43.201.92 X-Trace: 914936396 FJ6/YA4JNC95CCF2BC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15331 Adam Finkelstein wrote in article <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net>... > > You mention PMS and AFB in the same sentence--are the symptoms for these > two diseases appearing sporadically? > > In the Mid-Atlantic I've noticed that varroa tolerance in stocks will > often be proceeded by huge breakdowns of PMS/AFB like symptoms. After > this, selection for further tolerance is easy--if there is anything > left. :) > was that "outbreaks" or "breakdowns"? can you elaborate on that? From lsfarris@ti.com Wed Dec 30 17:19:13 EST 1998 Article: 15332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.161.34!attbtf!attbt2!ip.att.net!news.ti.com!rsc.raytheon.com!news From: "Larry S. Farris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beginer question Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:13:59 -0600 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <368929F6.68E96073@ti.com> References: <12226-3686B5B0-50@newsd-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: lsfarris@ti.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cna0311525.rsc.raytheon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15332 > Can I set the hives on cement blocks Yes. > and how high do they need to be. Not so high that you can't easily left fully loaded supers off. > How far apart do the hives need to be. If they're all facing the same direction, then a few feet apart (Leave yourself enough space between hives to work them). Usually 3 or 4 feet will be enough; more if you have the room. > what are the natural preditors(spl?) of bees. Some birds, dragonflys, skunks and of course, bears go after the honey. > What about weed control around the hives. If you want to cut down on the weeds growing up next to the hives and you're only going to have a few hives and not be moving them around, then before you put down those cement blocks, first put down a larger square area of old roofing shingles. Cover the ground with these shingles and they will keep the grass and weeds from growing up next to the hives. > also some sites for bees and supplies Do a Yahoo or AltaVista search; or better yet, subscribe to one of the bee journals and look at all their advertisers. > and how to find a market for the honey. Ahhh....the age old question.... > my question to this is how do you determine > what type honey you have. There is not a quick and easy answer to this question; many different factors enter into making this determination. Mainly, you will have to determine, what is the predominate flora source within the foraging range of your bees. This is, of course influenced by what crops are cultivated, weather conditions, nectar flows, when you take the honey off, etc., etc. From bassfly@tp.net Wed Dec 30 17:19:14 EST 1998 Article: 15333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "bassfly" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax will buy for small family business Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <4Nbi2.914$jb1.3908@news12.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.113.136.111 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 914966720 209.113.136.111 (Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:25:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:25:20 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:23:16 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15333 Hi, please e-mail me with prices for buying beeswax,I will be using it in making hand crams and such, thanks e-mail at 60min@tp.net or bassfly@aol.com From adamf@vt.edu Wed Dec 30 17:19:14 EST 1998 Article: 15334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed2.news.digex.net!digex!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: 29 Dec 1998 17:33:19 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <76b3ov$npk$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <36879AAF.7CCB@juno.com> <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net> <01be332b$9e5f2b40$5cc92bcf@petty.negia.net> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port9.annex3.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15334 In article <01be332b$9e5f2b40$5cc92bcf@petty.negia.net>, > >was that "outbreaks" or "breakdowns"? can you elaborate on that? Humm. When I was an inspector we used to call symptoms of AFB in a hive "Breaking Down" with AFB. So I guess you'd accurately call this an outbreak. Is that elaborative enough? :) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From hhf34@aol.com Wed Dec 30 17:19:15 EST 1998 Article: 15335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Happy Holidays! Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Dec 1998 07:17:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981224021711.01141.00001177@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15335 Happy Holidays from Henry's Honey Farm! With this year ending, it is time to reflect upon all which has gone on over the past year. Sure, some of which has not been all happy, yet it is the small things which we need to stop and count our blessings. Whether it be increasing our per hive average production by a few pounds, finally replacing that nub of a hive tool, or getting a new bee veil from the one that let more bees into it than went into the beehive. It is in the small things which we need to be greatful because out of the small things come bigger things. Maybe you learned the true meaning of "Bees in your bonnet" or why "Beeauty and the Bees" is a famous childrens video. Take time to remember this over the year ahead. ;o) TTYL! Monica Public Relations and Promotions Director, Henry's Honey Farm ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! From estring6@aol.com Wed Dec 30 17:19:16 EST 1998 Article: 15336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: estring6@aol.com (E String 6) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Movers are Coming Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Dec 1998 10:11:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <36879628.44561115@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19981230051120.12903.00003333@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15336 Very good info.Thanks I injoyed it. From rustyho@email.msn.com Wed Dec 30 17:19:16 EST 1998 Article: 15337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rusty" Subject: Royal Jelly Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:58:14 -0500 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-47.tc-1.wpb.smartworld.net [12.14.110.175] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15337 Can I get some basic training on Royal Jelly----how is it made, harvested, etc. From producer@golden.net Wed Dec 30 17:19:17 EST 1998 Article: 15338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!newsfeed2.golden.net!not-for-mail From: John Summerfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks for Wintering advice Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:35:48 -0500 Organization: Summerfield Productions Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <368A3A43.987DF6EB@golden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.131.132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15338 To those who responded with advice on wintering hives, thank you. John Summerfield From rustyho@email.msn.com Thu Dec 31 08:17:38 EST 1998 Article: 15339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rusty" Subject: Population control Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:58:00 -0500 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-31.tc-1.wpb.smartworld.net [12.14.110.159] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15339 How does one keep a hive with plenty of room space---without starting a new hive or super? From doyle60@aol.com Thu Dec 31 08:17:39 EST 1998 Article: 15340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ochlockonee River Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Dec 1998 21:38:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981230163827.01030.00000273@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15340 I am writing a fictional story and thought it would be fun to get some good details in. I would appreciate answsers to the following: How do you pronounce Ochlockonee as in the Ochlockonee River? Is it Oak-LOCK-con-knee? Is this the only place where Tupolo honey can be "grown"? What are some towns along this river older than 1850 where a person may come >from that sells Tupulo honey? I have seen some scenes on my CD-Rom Encyclopedia on how bees communicate to other bees the location of food. Is there a good National Geographic or other documentary on bees? I am writing a fictional story and thought it would be fun to get some good details in. Thanks in advance, Doyle60 From pyramid@epix.net Thu Dec 31 08:17:39 EST 1998 Article: 15341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!news-xfer.epix.net!news1.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Florida swarming Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:09:13 -0800 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <368AEAD8.7DF6@epix.net> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd209-74-41ppp100.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15341 Is there any swarming in Florida at this time of the year and during the Winter months? If so, in what areas? Thank you. Burns From rustyho@email.msn.com Thu Dec 31 08:17:40 EST 1998 Article: 15342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rusty" Subject: Comb Honey Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:14:16 -0500 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-23.tc-1.wpb.smartworld.net [12.14.110.151] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15342 Lets hear some good tips on consuming comb honey---what to tell friends to do with it when you give them some!!!!!! From rustyho@email.msn.com Thu Dec 31 08:17:40 EST 1998 Article: 15343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rusty" Subject: Royal Jelly Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:15:14 -0500 Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-23.tc-1.wpb.smartworld.net [12.14.110.151] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15343 How is it produced and harvested? From amschelp@pe.net Thu Dec 31 08:17:41 EST 1998 Article: 15344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:38:00 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: c1p001.hem.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 915053757 11449 216.100.28.201 (30 Dec 1998 21:35:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Dec 1998 21:35:57 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15344 Tell them to let the chunk dissolve in the mouth for several minutes before they start to chew it. After they chew it, and when the honey is all consumed, and after they have had their fill of the fun of chewing on the wax, tell them to spit out the remaining wax into the candle-wax pile. In article , rustyho@email.msn.com says... > Lets hear some good tips on consuming comb honey---what to tell friends to > do with it when you give them some!!!!!! > > >